From amstereoexp@yahoo.com Thu Oct 04 19:15:30 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoexp@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 5 Oct 2001 02:13:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 88626 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2001 02:13:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.220 with QMQP; 5 Oct 2001 02:13:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.10.45) by mta1 with SMTP; 5 Oct 2001 02:15:30 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amstereoexp@yahoo.com Received: from [10.1.10.98] by n6.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2001 02:15:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 02:15:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Welcome to The AM STEREO Forum! Message-ID: <9pj53v+uib1@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1526 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.76.56 From: amstereoexp@yahoo.com Hello everybody! I am very pleased that The AM STEREO Forum, formerly=20 found on Delphi, has a great new location on Yahoo Groups which will=20 allow more convenient access, more flexibility for members, and better=20 "visibility" on the Internet. And remember, this is *your* Forum -- any suggestions regarding its=20 format, content, and appearance are highly welcomed from all members.=20 And don't be afraid to take advantage of all the Forum has to offer on=20 its web access site at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum In addition to the messages (which you can post and read directly from=20 this site, as well as through your e-mail), there is a Chat section, a=20 Files section for all of your AM Stereo-related file uploads, a Photos=20 section for all pictures associated with AM Stereo, a Bookmarks=20 section to add links to relevant web sites, a Database for=20 miscellaneous information, and even a Polls section where you can set=20 up and conduct your own polls to find out what we all think about a=20 particular topic! Needless to say this is much more flexible and expansive than the old=20 Delphi site for this Forum, which was slow and needlessly complex. So=20 I hope this new Forum will be much more popular and will help to keep=20 AM STEREO alive and well all around the world for many, many years to=20 come! Le gr=E1, Shane Filan associate Sysop of The AM STEREO Forum p.s. If you haven't done so already, please read the introductory=20 message for this Forum at: http://www.geocities.com/amstereoexp/intro.txt From amstereoexp@yahoo.com Thu Oct 04 19:19:55 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoexp@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 5 Oct 2001 02:17:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 72747 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2001 02:17:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.224 with QMQP; 5 Oct 2001 02:17:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.2.82) by mta1 with SMTP; 5 Oct 2001 02:19:55 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: amstereoexp@yahoo.com Received: from [10.1.10.114] by n22.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2001 02:19:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 02:19:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Colours Message-ID: <9pj5c6+6tbo@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 308 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.76.56 From: amstereoexp@yahoo.com By the way, I know the colours on the web site for this Forum are=20 rather "flashy"... if you find them totally horrible, I can change=20 them to something less obnoxious! But I happen to think a little dash=20 of colour is nice compared to the bland appearance of most other Yahoo=20 groups. Le gr=E1, Shane From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Thu Oct 04 20:05:11 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 5 Oct 2001 03:05:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 23038 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2001 03:05:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2001 03:05:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.2.220) by mta1 with SMTP; 5 Oct 2001 03:05:10 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.63] by n31.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2001 03:05:10 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 03:05:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: the old Forum on Delphi Message-ID: <9pj813+8g8c@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 780 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.76.56 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> Just in case anybody would like to see what the old AM STEREO Forum on Delphi looked like, it can still be found at: http://www.delphi.com/amstereo As you can see, it hasn't seen much use lately, although people are still visiting it nearly every day. Soon I will post a bulletin on the old Delphi Forum informing visitors that it has moved here to Yahoo Groups. The AM Stereo Forum on Delphi still remains as the longest-running on-line discussion group for AM Stereo; it was created out of the original "KT Forum" on Delphi (of which AM Stereo was a single message section) coincidentally just a few days before the first AM Stereo mailling list was set up. And Shane, I actually like the colors you chose... they complement the new AM Stereo logo quite nicely! From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Oct 05 01:42:39 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 5 Oct 2001 08:42:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 63190 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2001 08:42:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 5 Oct 2001 08:42:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3 with SMTP; 5 Oct 2001 08:42:36 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.37]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.6.188) with SMTP id ; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 04:40:42 -0400 Message-ID: <004a01c14d79$24056740$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: Cc: "Ian Davidson" , Subject: I'm here! Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 04:38:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" To the list of the free and the home of the brave. (I will send Ben a message about thi list later- I doon't want to clog his mailbox as he wont be home till Monday) CC From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Oct 05 02:00:25 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 5 Oct 2001 09:00:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 34258 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2001 09:00:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2001 09:00:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3 with SMTP; 5 Oct 2001 09:00:25 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.37]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.6.188) with SMTP id ; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 04:58:31 -0400 Message-ID: <005401c14d7b$a10a2f80$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: Cc: References: <16a.1eaa482.28ee4fff@aol.com> Subject: Re: [amstereo] Band scan Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 04:56:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" Here in the "Greater NY area"... Daytime, Chrysler RAZ, high noon, in the mall in Middletown, engine off... :-) ..: 600 WICC, Bridgeport, CT, Variety, full stereo 660 WFAN, NYC, sports, full stereo 800 WLAD Danbury CT, Talk and variety, full stereo 850 WREF Ridgefield CT, Oldies, full stereo (Magnificent!) 930 WPAT Paterson, NJ Spanish, full stereo 1030 WBZ Boston, talk, stereo liners 1210 WPHT, Philly, talk, Music on weekends. Full stereo 1280- foreign, no ID, but stereo 1480 WZRC, NY, Korean, full stereo 1580 WHLI LI, NY, standards, full stereo Night time: 630 CFCO 660 WFAN 720 WGN 760 WJR 790 CIGM (pilot flakey at times) 890 WLS 950 WPEN 990 WLGZ 1030 WBZ 1170 KVOO (rare, but when it takes over WWVA, it is great) 1210 WPHT 1620 WHLY 1630 KCJJ 1670 WRNC 1680 WJNZ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 7:51 PM Subject: [amstereo] Band scan > It is time again for all list members to tell us their local AM stereo > stations in a band scan format. From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Fri Oct 05 11:01:46 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 5 Oct 2001 17:59:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 11941 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2001 17:59:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.223 with QMQP; 5 Oct 2001 17:59:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.2.81) by mta1 with SMTP; 5 Oct 2001 18:01:41 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.107] by n21.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2001 18:01:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 18:01:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Band scan Message-ID: <9pksi2+ck15@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <005401c14d7b$a10a2f80$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 958 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.182 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> > 1280- foreign, no ID, but stereo I know 1280 WADO in NYC (Spanish news format) is PowerSide... no stereo there, unless they are putting out a 15 Hz pilot tone. > 1580 WHLI LI, NY, standards, full stereo Are they still Nostalgia music? They were bought out by the Polish radio network and I thought they would have switched over to the same Polish talk format that's on 910 WRKL (mono). > 790 CIGM (pilot flakey at times) The Stereo at CIGM (in terms of both pilot and separation) seems to be hit-or-miss. Sometimes it's there, sometimes it's not. > 1210 WPHT > 1620 WHLY You skipped over 1540 WPTR, of course! And I *always* get falsing on 1510 at night; there must be an exact 25 Hz offset between the carriers of 1510 WNRB and 1510 WLAC (both mono). > 1630 KCJJ > 1670 WRNC > 1680 WJNZ I've also heard 1620 WHLY (Radio Hollywood), 1640 WKSH (Christian music), 1690 W??? (talk/nostalgia), and 1700 WEUP (Gospel music) in full Stereo. From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Fri Oct 05 13:28:44 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 5 Oct 2001 20:26:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 64561 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2001 20:26:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.224 with QMQP; 5 Oct 2001 20:26:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.1.34) by mta1 with SMTP; 5 Oct 2001 20:28:43 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.2.52] by n16.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2001 20:28:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 20:28:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: NJ daytime band scan Message-ID: <9pl559+glpb@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1083 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.182 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> Here is my daytime AM Stereo band scan in central NJ, verified on several radios: 600 WICC Bridgeport, CT - full-service music/talk/sports 660 WFAN New York, NY - sports talk 850 WREF Ridgefield, CT - oldies 930 WPAT Paterson, NJ - Spanish music & misc ethnic ("930 AM Stereo") 950 WPEN Philadelphia, PA - nostalgia music ("Stereo 95 AM") 1030 WBZ Boston, MA - news/talk 1210 WPHT Philadelphia, PA - talk 1430 WNSW Newark, NJ - Korean talk/music & misc. ethnic 1450 WCTC New Brunswick, NJ - talk 1480 WZRC New York, NY - Korean talk/music 1500 "WKTW" Warren, NJ - music variety (my own Alfredo Lite station!) 1530 WJDM Elizabeth, NJ (daytimer) - Spanish Christian religious Also a few Kahn PowerSide stations: 610 WIP Philadelphia, PA - sports talk (Left sideband) 1280 WADO New York, NY - Spanish news (Right sideband) 1300 WIMG Ewing, NJ - Gospel music (Left sideband) 1570 WISP Doylestown, PA - religious (??? sideband, 15 Hz pilot) I also hear various 10-watt "TIS" info stations on 530, 1340, 1610, 1630, and 1640 kHz, although obviously none are Stereo. From jeffdeck@aol.com Fri Oct 05 15:45:07 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 5 Oct 2001 22:42:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 93000 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2001 22:42:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.1.220 with QMQP; 5 Oct 2001 22:42:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.5) by mta2 with SMTP; 5 Oct 2001 22:45:06 -0000 Received: from Jeffdeck@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.7.) id 6.11e.56c3f6c (17228); Fri, 5 Oct 2001 18:45:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <11e.56c3f6c.28ef91eb@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 18:44:59 EDT Subject: Bryan's List To: amstereo@nrcdxas.org Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: jeffdeck@aol.com "DUE TO ABUSE BY SOME MEMBERS, THIS LIST IS SUSPENDED. SORRY..." I am not sure if others saw this on Bryan's AM stereo list web page. All archived messages were pulled, the list was removed from the directory, membership is restricted, all messages require approval, posting is disabled, and e-mail attachments are not permitted. Currently there are 94 members listed on Bryan's list. From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Oct 05 16:19:04 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 5 Oct 2001 23:19:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 89343 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2001 23:19:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.1.222 with QMQP; 5 Oct 2001 23:19:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2 with SMTP; 5 Oct 2001 23:19:03 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.81]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.6.188) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 19:17:13 -0400 Message-ID: <002701c14df3$94248ea0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <11e.56c3f6c.28ef91eb@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Bryan's List Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 19:15:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" I think that it is a shame, but we can all come together here on this new list, or the nrcdxas list. Ian has a list of Bryans subscribers- Perhaps a mass email notice is called for. I would like to see everyone together on one list. I predict this new list wil be the best for all concerned. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Fri Oct 05 17:50:26 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 6 Oct 2001 00:50:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 46335 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2001 00:50:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2001 00:50:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.2.134) by mta1 with SMTP; 6 Oct 2001 00:50:25 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.2.23] by n26.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2001 00:49:45 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 00:46:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Bryan's List Message-ID: <9plk92+dlkm@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <11e.56c3f6c.28ef91eb@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 486 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.92.2 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> > All archived messages were pulled, I think that is the worst part of all this. The message archives contained a vast amount of information -- thousands of messages -- and now all this is no longer accessible to us, and might have been deleted entirely. It would be very helpful if we could get a hold of as many of the old group's members as possible and let them know that this Forum exists. Even Bryan himself is perfectly welcome to contribute here if he so desires! From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Oct 05 18:33:45 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 6 Oct 2001 01:33:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 94201 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2001 01:33:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 6 Oct 2001 01:33:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.1.30) by mta1 with SMTP; 6 Oct 2001 01:33:28 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: stodd@sherbtel.net Received: from [10.1.10.111] by n34.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2001 01:33:28 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 01:33:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Colours Message-ID: <9pln14+79av@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <9pj5c6+6tbo@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 65 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 209.105.35.85 From: stodd@sherbtel.net I can tolerate the colors, but some of the ads are annoying. ST From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Fri Oct 05 18:49:03 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 6 Oct 2001 01:47:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 59651 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2001 01:46:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.223 with QMQP; 6 Oct 2001 01:46:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.1.34) by mta1 with SMTP; 6 Oct 2001 01:48:48 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.104] by n16.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2001 01:48:48 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 01:48:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Colours Message-ID: <9plnts+u03u@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <9pln14+79av@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 670 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.43 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> > I can tolerate the colors, but some of the ads are annoying. You can get rid of the ads on the Yahoo Groups web site by simply turning off automatic image loading in your web browser. In fact, I have the auto image loading turned off all the time, as this lets all web pages load significantly faster. And then if desired, I can load and display all of the images on the web page by hitting the "Images" button (on the Netscape tool bar), or by clicking on each image I would like to display. This is a great time-saver, especially for loading Alex's web site... all those little (and not-so-little) images take a very long time to load on a 28.8K modem! From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Fri Oct 05 20:37:56 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 6 Oct 2001 03:35:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 32710 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2001 03:35:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.220 with QMQP; 6 Oct 2001 03:35:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.2.66) by mta1 with SMTP; 6 Oct 2001 03:37:41 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.4.82] by n20.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2001 03:37:40 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 03:37:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Open vs. members-only? Message-ID: <9plua3+75g9@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 546 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.156 X-eGroups-Announce: yes From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> I could set this Forum to be "open", so that all visitors can post messages, not just those who are members of the Forum. I would like to hear the Forum's concensus on this... is this a good idea? Of course with "open" posting the worry would be about 'spam' finding its way onto the group, but Yahoo has 'spam filters' in place that generally work well to eliminate the chance of this. Currently this Forum is set so that only members can post messages, however everybody can view the message archives, including non-member visitors. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sat Oct 06 00:26:34 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 6 Oct 2001 07:26:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 83369 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2001 07:26:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.222 with QMQP; 6 Oct 2001 07:26:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.1.36) by mta1 with SMTP; 6 Oct 2001 07:26:32 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Received: from [10.1.2.91] by n17.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2001 07:26:32 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 07:26:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Time to get down to business. Message-ID: <9pmbn5+pldt@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2409 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 65.80.196.165 From: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com 10/6/2001 I don't post too often. Microchips & in-fighting simply don't interest me. What does interest me are stations, Chris's latest projects, and the like. What I would like to do, even though I can only put in a little bit, is suggest that the group(s) buy an existing AM station, convert it to stereo if it's not already, and do it to it. Now, what resources do we have? Well on these sites we have engineers, broadcasting professionals (like myself), enthusiasts, activists, audiophiles, listeners, and whomever else wanders in off the street. Some of us may have some $. I don't have much. I'm a 22-year-old college graduate. I do have programming ideas and production skills to offer, plus my services as an on-air talent. The next thing we need is a location. We are spread out, so this presents somewhat of a problem. I'm mainly addressing the U.S. members here, as I am one. However, I encourage the Australians to do the same. Since Our-Least-Favorite-Mega-Conglomerate has some holdings down there, the two can unite after a while. As for the Canadians, if there are any left: try to get 530 kHz. This is the best frequency in terms of wavelength. Plus, these are all 1kW stations, so the elecrtic shouldn't be too costly. Plus, if a whole frequency is stereo, that will get people's attention. Back to the Americans: I think we have a few options open: go small- market to small-market. Get this movement to be really grassroots. Secondly: seperate the X-band from the rest of the A.M. band. In fact, try to get the top 200 kHz (1510-1700). By this I don't mean physically cut your radio. I mean seperate the two in the public's eye. I suggest the following formats on the following frequencies: 1610: Lite A.C.. 1620, 1640, 1680: Urban &/or Rap. 1630: A.C. (See KCJJ-Iowa City, Ia. for a perfect real-world example of this). 1660: Hot A.C. or CHR (Top 40). 1670: Classic Rock. 1690: Hot Top 40/Dance CHR. 1700: Modern Rock. I haven't decided on 1650 yet. Maybe Country? Anyway I digress. We have the resources available in terms of manpower. Now we need the financing, the station, and the idea. Does anyone have skill at running a small company with big dreams? Chris, get ready because if this goes through, we're going to need a lot of pre-tuned radios for giveaways. Thank you for your contributions and 73, Jay,N1WVQ From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Oct 06 07:26:50 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 6 Oct 2001 14:24:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 25543 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2001 14:24:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.1.220 with QMQP; 6 Oct 2001 14:24:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta2 with SMTP; 6 Oct 2001 14:26:49 -0000 Received: from me (c3m23.dlup.shbtl.means.net [209.105.35.23]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA24053 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2001 09:26:43 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001601c14e74$3310dac0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <9pmbn5+pldt@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Time to get down to business. Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 09:35:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" Sorry, Jay- what we need is AMS radios. A lot of stations have the equipment but are leaving it idle unless someone can hear the stereo signal. Without receivers we could become as big as a certain broadcasting megalith we don't like and few would be able to enjoy what we're doing. Not that I object to more AMS stations. But if we're the only ones who can take advantage of it, would anyone else really care? ST > What I would like to do, even though I can only put in a little bit, > is suggest that the group(s) buy an existing AM station, convert it > to stereo if it's not already, and do it to it. From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Oct 06 07:29:51 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 6 Oct 2001 14:29:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 81156 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2001 14:29:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2001 14:29:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta1 with SMTP; 6 Oct 2001 14:29:42 -0000 Received: from me (c3m23.dlup.shbtl.means.net [209.105.35.23]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA24323 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2001 09:29:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001f01c14e74$9c079500$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <9plua3+75g9@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Open vs. members-only? Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 09:38:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" It would be an OK idea, but perhaps we'd need some sort of visitor form they could fill out if they wanted to post but not subscribe. That could put the kibosh on the spam. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. <76362.2023@compuserve.com> > I could set this Forum to be "open", so that all visitors can post > messages, not just those who are members of the Forum. I would like > to hear the Forum's concensus on this... is this a good idea? From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Sat Oct 06 15:06:47 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 6 Oct 2001 22:06:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 4679 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2001 22:06:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2001 22:06:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.2.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 6 Oct 2001 22:06:46 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.4.68] by n19.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2001 22:06:46 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 22:06:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: re: Open vs. members-only? Message-ID: <9pnv9h+utce@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <001f01c14e74$9c079500$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1204 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.93.5 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> > It would be an OK idea, but perhaps we'd need some sort of visitor > form they could fill out if they wanted to post but not subscribe. > That could put the kibosh on the spam. Actually it is possible to subscribe to the group, but with no e-mail messages sent to you; this way all of your reading of the posts occurs over the group's web site. I use this setting myself for some other Yahoo groups because I prefer using the interactive Web interface, rather than via e-mails which can get rather clutzy. Anyway, I think it is easy enough to sign up with Yahoo that requiring people to be members of this group before they can post messages is not that big of a "turn-off" for visitors. I am still anxiously waiting for more people to join this Forum, although I do realise that out of the peak of 98 members that the old Yahoo AM Stereo group had before it closed, many of these members never posted any messages to the group and were simply "lurkers". So if there are any people "lurking" here, don't be afraid to contribute! There is no such thing as a stupid question here, and we all can take as good as we give, so we happily accept criticism just as readily as we do praise! From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Oct 06 15:15:47 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 6 Oct 2001 22:13:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 68772 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2001 22:13:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.224 with QMQP; 6 Oct 2001 22:13:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1 with SMTP; 6 Oct 2001 22:15:45 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.67]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.6.188) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2001 18:13:58 -0400 Message-ID: <002001c14eb3$e649e700$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <9pnv9h+utce@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} re: Open vs. members-only? Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 18:11:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" What I would like to filter is INCOMING spam- from people that post advertisements to these list groups. I would like to be able to trace any incoming message to it's source in the event of problems. As for the B list having 98 members.. Not. I had 3 different emails on that list, so did Alex, and many others. Actual individual users were closer to 50, and of those, 50% had the email off entirely, and were not even visiting. My opinion is that the archives of that list belonged to all of us. Bryan is being a turd. cc From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Sat Oct 06 15:20:09 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 6 Oct 2001 22:20:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 84529 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2001 22:20:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2001 22:20:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.2.134) by mta1 with SMTP; 6 Oct 2001 22:20:06 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.101] by n26.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2001 22:20:06 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 22:20:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: "banned"? Message-ID: <9po02j+1j5q@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 396 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.93.5 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> OK, this is getting wierd..... not only has Bryan shut down his AM Stereo group on Yahoo, he has BANNED all the members from it! I am now an officially "banned" member of it, and the counter shows 2 legitimate members left -- probably Bryan himself and an alternative e-mail address he was using. Just yesterday (after the group already had been shut down) the counter showed 94 members! From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sat Oct 06 15:31:52 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 6 Oct 2001 22:31:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 77745 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2001 22:31:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2001 22:31:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.149) by mta2 with SMTP; 6 Oct 2001 22:31:50 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 6 Oct 2001 15:31:50 -0700 Received: from 209.240.222.130 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 06 Oct 2001 22:31:44 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.240.222.130] To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} re: Open vs. members-only? Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 22:31:44 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2001 22:31:50.0468 (UTC) FILETIME=[B10F7840:01C14EB6] From: "Donn Tillman" >---- Bryan is being a turd. cc ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris, You're being much too charitable. donn, st petersburg,fl,usa _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Sat Oct 06 15:46:47 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 6 Oct 2001 22:46:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 10918 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2001 22:46:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2001 22:46:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO siaag1ae.compuserve.com) (149.174.40.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 6 Oct 2001 22:46:46 -0000 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaag1ae.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.12) id SAA29236 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 6 Oct 2001 18:46:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 18:46:16 -0400 Subject: the last message from Bryan Sender: Kevin Tekel <76362.2023@compuserve.com> To: The AM Stereo Forum Message-ID: <200110061846_MC3-E254-66B6@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline From: Kevin Tekel <76362.2023@compuserve.com> I just got this in my e-mail box: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 22:22:40 -0000 From: w8ln@juno.com Subject: Whiners Rejoice I've tried to keep this list alive to discuss AM Stereo, but I've decided that I no longer have time to deal with the whiners who get mad when I've made an effort to keep the list on topic. =20 Therefore, effective right now this list is suspended. The archive is gone. Posting is gone. Uploads are gone. All other features are gone. =20 If you want a list that has lots of junk mail and strays off topic I'm sure you can find one.=20 =20 If you want an AM Stereo only list, you're now out of luck. I'm fed up with the whiners. =20 Finally, I do not wish to receive any email on this. Any abusive email will be reported to the appropriate ISP. =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Oct 06 18:03:39 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 7 Oct 2001 01:03:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 82576 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2001 01:03:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2001 01:03:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta3 with SMTP; 7 Oct 2001 01:03:38 -0000 Received: from me ([204.221.28.106]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA23755 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2001 20:03:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001d01c14ecd$2caa3920$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <200110061846_MC3-E254-66B6@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} the last message from Bryan Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 20:12:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" I got the same thing. I'd say the real whiner was Bryan. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Tekel <76362.2023@compuserve.com> Subject: {AMSF} the last message from Bryan > I just got this in my e-mail box: From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Oct 06 18:55:21 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 7 Oct 2001 01:52:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 37507 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2001 01:52:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.1.220 with QMQP; 7 Oct 2001 01:52:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta2 with SMTP; 7 Oct 2001 01:55:18 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.7.) id r.148.2b29bae (3974) for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2001 21:55:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <148.2b29bae.28f10fff@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 21:55:11 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} "banned"? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com I wonder what the heck is the use of having a list if its not open to anyone to use and if all but two users are banned from the list? I used to have some respect for that list and its moderator,......but not any more. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC KC4QLP Amateur Radio --- Emergency Services Provider --- www.qsl.net/kc4qlp AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com http://communities.msn.com/AMStereo http://www.communityzero.com/amstereoradio voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Sat Oct 06 19:21:46 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 7 Oct 2001 02:21:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 29459 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2001 02:21:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2001 02:21:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.1.30) by mta1 with SMTP; 7 Oct 2001 02:21:45 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.133] by n34.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2001 02:21:10 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 02:20:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: NJ nighttime band scan Message-ID: <9poe64+noat@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1227 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.13 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> In addition to the stations Chris has logged, I have received the following stations here in central NJ at night: 530 kHz Spanish music -- this station is somewhere in the Caribbean and they always "false" into Stereo because of all the TISes on this frequency. I doubt they are actually putting out a Stereo pilot. 990 mix between WLGZ (upstate NY) and "The Team 990" from Montreal. But WLGZ is definitely in Stereo, causing "The Team" to false into Stereo when they were the dominant station. 1540 kHz - a blank carrier on top of WPTR, probably from the 50kW daytimer in Philadelphia doing "testing" or just forgetting to turn their transmitter off at sunset. 1670 WRNC - simulcasting "Cat Country 96 FM" with a pilot tone and the audio in the Left channel only (Right channel is completely silent). Reported to be a Clear Channel-owned station. 1690 WMDM(?) - talk - it is good to know this station is still in Stereo, because they've gone through numerous format changes, including a Crawford-esque "Legends 1690" nostalgia format. (NOT owned by Crawford.) I also regularly get very clear reception from 1300 WJFK in Washington, DC (mono talk)... amazing for what is essentially a "graveyard" channel. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sat Oct 06 23:27:11 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 7 Oct 2001 06:24:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 34999 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2001 06:24:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.224 with QMQP; 7 Oct 2001 06:24:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.2.134) by mta1 with SMTP; 7 Oct 2001 06:27:10 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Received: from [10.1.2.30] by n26.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2001 06:27:10 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 06:27:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Time to get down to business. Message-ID: <9posjt+foej@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <001601c14e74$3310dac0$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1539 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 65.80.196.165 From: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Even to the point where they (the stations) don't realize they have the stereo. More radios would be good, but if you're in an area where there are no stereo stations, what good is having a stereo radio? Even if some stereo stations are available during certain hours (e.g.: WBZ comes in in St. Augustine at night), that still leaves two problems: 1. the other hours of the day, and 2. some programming you can't tell if it's mono or stereo. More radios would really only work in areas with a stereo station already in existance. People in KCJJ's signal area would benefit because they have something to listen to that would have a noticable sound. Radios in St. Augustine wouldn't serve much purpose, as there are no stereo stations here in the daytime. Of course, we need more stations & more radios. 73, Jay,N1WVQ --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Scott Todd" wrote: > Sorry, Jay- what we need is AMS radios. A lot of stations have the > equipment but are leaving it idle unless someone can hear the stereo signal. > Without receivers we could become as big as a certain broadcasting megalith > we don't like and few would be able to enjoy what we're doing. Not that I > object to more AMS stations. But if we're the only ones who can take > advantage of it, would anyone else really care? > > ST > > > What I would like to do, even though I can only put in a little bit, > > is suggest that the group(s) buy an existing AM station, convert it > > to stereo if it's not already, and do it to it. From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Oct 07 04:27:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 7 Oct 2001 11:27:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 47911 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2001 11:27:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2001 11:27:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2 with SMTP; 7 Oct 2001 11:27:35 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.40]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.6.188) with SMTP id ; Sun, 7 Oct 2001 07:25:51 -0400 Message-ID: <002401c14f22$8429d160$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: , Cc: "David J Ring Jr" References: <20011007102713.30010.qmail@whitfield.chek.com> Subject: Re: [amstereo] AMS List Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 07:23:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" Since so many people are privately emailing me about what happened, here it is in a nutshell. The old list (Bryans) was pulled because he wanted no off topic posts. He had this right, but once in a while, a related item comes up, and we are all interested in these things- at least I know I am. (Example- TV coverage dying when the WTC went under atack). I posted a letter to his group, and over rode his "Moderated" status, as I felt it was a major item, that everyone was concerned about. (I had co-moderator status at the time) He then took away all priveliges because of this. He also took away all of our old message archives- a cheap and petty thing to do, but it's over now. I then quit his list. We have this list now, as well as a new list at amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com I will be a contributing member of both lists and hope to see everyone on one or the other. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: David J Ring Jr To: Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 6:27 AM Subject: [amstereo] AMS List From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Oct 07 07:55:05 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 7 Oct 2001 14:52:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 24696 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2001 14:52:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.221 with QMQP; 7 Oct 2001 14:52:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.2.136) by mta1 with SMTP; 7 Oct 2001 14:55:04 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: n0uiheric@aol.com Received: from [10.1.4.76] by n28.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2001 14:55:04 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 14:54:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: St. Louis-AM Stereo Update Message-ID: <9ppqc3+snnt@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2077 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 205.188.195.59 From: n0uiheric@aol.com The AM Stereo situation in St. Louis is as follows: 550 KTRS St. Louis, MO: OFFENDER. They switched off their Stereo exciter for good last February, after operating in "simulated" Stereo since The Dorsey Group acquired the station, formerly KSD, from Infinity Broadcasting in 1997. The station was true AM Stereo from 1984 to 1997. 590 KFNS Wood River, IL: OFFENDER. They have not switched on their Stereo exciter since Missouri Sports Radio, LLC acquired the station from Infinity Broadcasting in 1998. They were Stereo from 1990 to 1993 (when they ran Easy Listening and, later, a Soft AC simulcast, as KEZK). Missouri Sports Radio, LLC has since acquired KFNS-FM 100.7 in Troy, MO (KFNS has a nighttime null toward KOMJ Omaha, NE). 630 KJSL St. Louis, MO: IN GOOD STANDING. KJSL has gotten rid of most of the anti-Catholic talk show hosts, and now is mostly general Christian talk, with Contemporary Christian music in the morning. One of the members of the management team, Rick Sewell, was once Chief Announcer at WCBW (104.9 FM-now KMJM) in Columbia, IL. 690 KSTL East St. Louis, IL: IN GOOD STANDING. East St. Louis has been KSTL's city of license since 1996. The station features an Urban Gospel format. 1010 KXEN Festus, MO: ONLY STEREO AT NIGHT. KXEN hasn't yet converted it's Harris MW-50 50 kW unit to AM Stereo; but their 500-watt nighttime service is AM Stereo. The station has nine towers at their site; a six-tower daytime array forming a rectangular shape, three towers at night forming a triangular shape. 1120 KMOX St. Louis, MO: OFFENDER. The station ceased all AM Stereo operations in April 2000; they're waiting on IBOC-DAB, which will most likely never come to pass. 1260 WSDZ Belleville, IL: OFFENDER. The station was only in AM Stereo during 1989-90 as WIBV (running Transtar's Niche 29 Hot AC format); dropping Stereo when they went all-talk in 1990. 1490 WESL East St. Louis, IL: IN GOOD STANDING. R&B Oldies format; some selections in Stereo on CD, others in mono on carts acquired from KATZ 1600. 73, Eric (N0UIH) From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Oct 07 10:22:02 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 7 Oct 2001 17:19:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 80021 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2001 17:19:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.223 with QMQP; 7 Oct 2001 17:19:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta1 with SMTP; 7 Oct 2001 17:21:57 -0000 Received: from me ([204.221.28.128]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA26824 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2001 12:21:51 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001701c14f55$d6739cc0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <9poe64+noat@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} NJ nighttime band scan Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 12:31:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" That's a lot of watts to be eating up by "forgetting" to shut down. I wonder what their electric bill looks like? ST > 1540 kHz - a blank carrier on top of WPTR, probably from the 50kW > daytimer in Philadelphia doing "testing" or just forgetting to turn > their transmitter off at sunset. From jeffdeck@aol.com Sun Oct 07 10:43:34 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 7 Oct 2001 17:43:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 84367 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2001 17:43:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2001 17:43:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.5) by mta1 with SMTP; 7 Oct 2001 17:43:32 -0000 Received: from Jeffdeck@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.7.) id r.94.1b09d092 (2519); Sun, 7 Oct 2001 13:43:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <94.1b09d092.28f1ee41@aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 13:43:29 EDT Subject: Re: Whiners Rejoice To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@nrcdxas.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: jeffdeck@aol.com Did anyone else see this posted message? In a message dated 10/5/2001 22:22:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Bryan writes: >I've tried to keep this list alive to discuss AM Stereo, but I've >decided that I no longer have time to deal with the whiners who get >mad when I've made an effort to keep the list on topic. > >Therefore, effective right now this list is suspended. The archive is >gone. Posting is gone. Uploads are gone. All other features are gone. > >If you want a list that has lots of junk mail and strays off topic >I'm sure you can find one. > >If you want an AM Stereo only list, you're now out of luck. I'm fed >up with the whiners. > >Finally, I do not wish to receive any email on this. Any abusive >email will be reported to the appropriate ISP. From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Oct 07 10:44:52 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 7 Oct 2001 17:44:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 7631 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2001 17:44:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.1.222 with QMQP; 7 Oct 2001 17:44:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta2 with SMTP; 7 Oct 2001 17:44:52 -0000 Received: from me ([204.221.28.128]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA28857 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2001 12:44:49 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004e01c14f59$0c357c40$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <9posjt+foej@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Time to get down to business. Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 12:53:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" I suppose in an AMS-free zone such as yours you'd need to attack it from both ends. But since there are enough areas with AMS stations, getting the receivers out would create pressure from the public for stations to acquire it or turn it back on if they have the equipment. The effect would ripple across to markets such as yours. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: > Even to the point where they (the stations) don't realize they have > the stereo. More radios would be good, but if you're in an area > where there are no stereo stations, what good is having a stereo > radio? From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Sun Oct 07 14:10:51 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 7 Oct 2001 21:10:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 63688 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2001 21:10:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.222 with QMQP; 7 Oct 2001 21:10:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.1.37) by mta1 with SMTP; 7 Oct 2001 21:10:50 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.108] by n18.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2001 21:10:50 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 21:10:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Time to get down to business. Message-ID: <9pqgcp+m5sf@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <004e01c14f59$0c357c40$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 703 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 165.230.240.116 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> > I suppose in an AMS-free zone such as yours you'd need to attack it > from both ends. But since there are enough areas with AMS > stations, getting the receivers out would create pressure from the > public for stations to acquire it or turn it back on if they have > the equipment. The effect would ripple across to markets such as > yours. I agree with Scott. There are *plenty* of very nice AM Stereo stations out there. It's just a matter of letting their listeners know what AM Stereo is all about, and providing these listeners with some way of obtaining afforable AM Stereo radios to use. The festivities on 1630 KCJJ in April 2000 were a perfect example of how this should be done. From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Oct 07 15:36:29 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 7 Oct 2001 22:36:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 47176 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2001 22:36:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2001 22:36:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1 with SMTP; 7 Oct 2001 22:36:28 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.77]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.6.188) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2001 18:34:47 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c14f7f$f50263e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <9pqgcp+m5sf@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Time to get down to business. Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 18:32:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" You all gotta remember that the trip to KCJJ cost nearly $2000- There was much good that came of this, in awareness and goodwill, and they would love for me to come back, but the simple fact remains that there just are no funds to do this. I want to do this same thing at WICC, but Aurora wants no part of it. They want to turn off the stereo, but they are leaving it on, as so many invovled at the station are fighting for it to remain, at least until digital comes .. I "can" do my thing at WLAD and WREF.... I am sure Irv would be receptive. I just have to build back a small bankroll to do it. cc From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Sun Oct 07 19:12:31 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 8 Oct 2001 02:10:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 32559 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2001 02:10:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.223 with QMQP; 8 Oct 2001 02:10:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.2.114) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Oct 2001 02:12:31 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.2.23] by n33.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2001 02:12:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 02:12:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: the CCRadio "Plus" Message-ID: <9pr22a+7l2a@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1524 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.135 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> If you haven't heard Art Bell hype it up yet, you should know that the C.Crane Company has introduced the CCRadio "Plus" and is continuing to widely promote it as "the best AM radio ever made". Normally, the CCRadio has not gotten much interest from me because it is known to have truly horrible AM audio quality and the C.Crane Company has said to me they don't want to add AM Stereo or even a selectable IF bandwidth to it because these features would make it "cost too much". But now the CCRadio Plus has FM STEREO.... so if they found it worthwhile enough to add FM Stereo and a corresponding FM filter wide enough to permit good FM Stereo sound quality, why not also AM Stereo and a corresponding AM filter wide enough to permit good AM Stereo sound quality? And regardless of the radio's features, you have to admit that the CCRadio proves that the radio listening public IS interested in buying a radio that is specifically good on the *AM* band, even if it costs them a ridiculous $169.95 for a radio that is really worth at most $50. So thus I think we should continue to pressure the C.Crane company, and especially try to get in touch with Bob Crane himself, as it is clear he and his company does have at least some interest in keeping the AM radio band popular with listeners with the help of their products. So why not a CCRadio "Ultra" with AM STEREO?? p.s. The C.Crane company also sells the GE Superadio III, yet claims their CCRadio has "better" sound quality on AM.... as if!!! From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Sun Oct 07 20:38:33 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 8 Oct 2001 03:38:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 26523 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2001 03:38:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2001 03:38:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.1.41) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Oct 2001 03:38:31 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.98] by n25.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2001 03:38:20 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 03:29:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New files Message-ID: <9pr6iu+l92f@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 360 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.135 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> Thanks go to Jeff Deck for making the first contributions to the Files section of the AM Stereo Forum web site at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files There you will find two MP3 recordings of 630 CFCO that Jeff has uploaded. The Files section has a total of 20 megabytes of space so there's lots of room for more files to be added here! From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Oct 08 13:47:53 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 8 Oct 2001 20:45:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 94266 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2001 20:27:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.1.224 with QMQP; 8 Oct 2001 20:27:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2 with SMTP; 8 Oct 2001 20:30:32 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.137]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.6.188) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 16:28:56 -0400 Message-ID: <001501c15037$87d52240$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <9pr22a+7l2a@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} the CCRadio "Plus" Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 16:26:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" Ya know, something funny (wierd) happened 3 years ago. When I first called Bob Crane about AM stereo, he was very receptive. BUT.. after my first letter, he never again answered an email from me. I would like to convert a CC radio to switchable wideband am stereo, and show it to him. Anyone have one they want to send to me for a free conversion? I will convert it, videotape the results to send them, and send you back your radio. cc From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Oct 08 18:04:19 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 9 Oct 2001 01:01:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 31185 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2001 01:01:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.1.224 with QMQP; 9 Oct 2001 01:01:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta2 with SMTP; 9 Oct 2001 01:04:13 -0000 Received: from me (c3m18.dlup.shbtl.means.net [209.105.35.18]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA19998 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 20:03:44 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002d01c1505f$89e843a0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <9pr22a+7l2a@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} the CCRadio "Plus" Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 19:43:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" Considering it only takes switching in and out a few pf across the IF filter, how difficult can it be to make variable bandwidth? ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. <76362.2023@compuserve.com> the C.Crane > Company has said to me they don't want to add AM Stereo or even a > selectable IF bandwidth to it because these features would make it > "cost too much". > From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Mon Oct 08 21:34:04 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 9 Oct 2001 04:34:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 9779 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2001 04:34:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 9 Oct 2001 04:34:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO siaag2aa.compuserve.com) (149.174.40.131) by mta2 with SMTP; 9 Oct 2001 04:34:01 -0000 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaag2aa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.12) id AAA04772 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 00:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 00:33:31 -0400 Subject: Re:{AMSF} the CCRadio Sender: Kevin Tekel <76362.2023@compuserve.com> To: The AM Stereo Forum Message-ID: <200110090033_MC3-E297-BCD0@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline From: Kevin Tekel <76362.2023@compuserve.com> The first time David sent in this message, I don't think it made it to the Forum for some reason... so here it is again: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Several months ago, I spoke to Mr. Chris Justice, who is C. Crane's engineer. He had just made the pattented "Justice AM" antenna, which according to him has superior performance due to modifications in the end radiation of the dual ferrite loops- perhaps a bucking loops type circuit - bucking to give regeneration. I spoke to Mr. Justice about the projects specifications - and he asked me to be closed mouthed about it - but what he told me was that CC was to come out with a radio that had synchronous detection for shortwave. He added that the cost would be upwards of about $20.00 from the regular model.=20 I suggested to him that it might be an interesting and worthwhile venture to make the CC radio AMAX Stereo certifiable. AMAX as you might know has several specifications - one for portable, one for "fixed" radios - and then with and without AM Stereo. I have corresponded with one of this list's members about further contact with CC's Mr. Justice. I do not know if this was accomplished. I considered that I had done preliminary scouting on the subject. After, I corresponded with this member, I tried to contact Mr. Crane directly, but the staff of CC Radio informed me that Mr. Crane would only reply to FAX or written correspondence, somthing that I admit I have not been good enough health to persue. The present specifications of the project are: AM, FM (stereo), SW, TV, WX bands. AM, USB, LSB, FM(ST). My proposal would add: Wide bandwidth (as per AMAX) for AM, and AM Stereo detector. Details of bandwidth switching were left to CC. I think a electronic switch based on the detection of AMS pilot would suffice. Further suggestions were asked of the member of this list. I think this is an admirable project - however I personally would like the audio outputs of the device to be of high quality - so that home users of this new CC radio could hook it up to external amplified speakers for quality sound rivaling the quality of the GE SuperRadio III. Incedentally, Mr. Justice told me that he tested the present (standard) CC radio against the GE SuperRadio III and the CC radio was 6 dB better in reception.=20 Best Regards, David Ring =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20 From jeffdeck@aol.com Tue Oct 09 02:26:30 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 9 Oct 2001 09:26:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 82359 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2001 09:26:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2001 09:26:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r09.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.105) by mta1 with SMTP; 9 Oct 2001 09:26:26 -0000 Received: from Jeffdeck@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.7.) id r.39.1bc9e4cb (4387); Tue, 9 Oct 2001 05:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39.1bc9e4cb.28f41cbe@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 05:26:22 EDT Subject: Re: the CCRadio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@nrcdxas.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: jeffdeck@aol.com It would be nice to get commercial manufacturer to add AM stereo to their current product line. CCrane radio is manufactured by Sangean to CCrane's specifications. Someone here said that Sangean was disenchanted with AM stereo since their SR66 days of the MC13024 chip. Chris Justice designed the CCradio. Per his note below, he felt that manual gain control was unnecessary. He also stated that one fixed AM audio bandwidth was optimum, which is 3kHz for the CCradio. I personally never purchased the CCradio, however I heard that its build quality is questionable. Selectivity is not as good as Mr. Justice states, with strong local AM stations occupying two or three adjacent spots on the dial. Also, the CCradio was designed for speech, and is advertised as such. Per others, the tone controls do not offer much change on the AM band. By comparison, my Sony CFD-S22, modified for AM stereo reception using MC13028, has better selectivity using the stock ceramic filter. For a sampling, please listen to the CFCO and KCJJ downloads that I placed on this list server . Both stations were received on their night patterns, recorded to tape, and dubbed to MP3 files under less than ideal reception conditions. Audio fidelity is better than 3kHz on the top end. Without some modification, I feel that the CCradio would be a poor contender for AM stereo. If someone is going to spend $150+ for a table radio, they should have the choice of AM stereo with two AM audio bandwidths. We need to identify what was the fundamental reason for Denon, J.C. Penney, Panasonic, Sony, and others to discontinue their AM stereo products. What is very frustrating is that manufacturers are offering AM stereo for other countries. Kenwood VR4900, VR2090, and VR3080 are a few examples. In response to a note sent to C. Crane regarding the CCRadio, the following response was received from Chris Justice: >Your E-mail has been passed to me for a detailed list of performance and >correct specifications. You can find the entire list of specifications >listed on our webpage under www.ccrane.com/ccradio.htm > >The CCRadio's performace is greater than 6 dB greater sensitivity than >the GE Super III radio and the selectivity is greatly improved. You will >find a much greater dynamic range on the CCRadio than any other AM perf. >radio ever made. > >The filter width is preset at 6 kHz which is optimum for the AM band. >There are no other optional filters available at this time and the one that is >installed is optimum for the best listening. A RF Gain control knob is not >needed or even desired on this radio. RF Gain control is very old >technology and is no longer used on most radios. Manual gain control is >still left over from the early days of radio when the stations were very >strong and AGC circuitry did not exist. The AGC (Automatic Gain Control) >will clamp 80 dB of the input signal attenuating very strong stations. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Oct 09 07:58:05 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 9 Oct 2001 14:58:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 16008 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2001 14:58:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2001 14:58:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.10.50) by mta1 with SMTP; 9 Oct 2001 14:58:02 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Received: from [10.1.10.134] by n11.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2001 14:57:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 14:57:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Just checking in Message-ID: <9pv39m+2jf8@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 73 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 209.45.202.244 From: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Hi Guys: Who's running the show here? Can I get a daily digest version? From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Tue Oct 09 16:48:30 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 9 Oct 2001 23:45:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 66761 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2001 23:45:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.221 with QMQP; 9 Oct 2001 23:45:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.10.46) by mta1 with SMTP; 9 Oct 2001 23:48:29 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.112] by n7.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2001 23:47:45 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 23:48:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Just checking in Message-ID: <9q02cb+gn38@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <9pv39m+2jf8@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 748 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.145 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> > Hi Guys: > Who's running the show here? Chris Cuff and I are the two Sysops of this group. (Yahoo calls us "moderators" but we don't "moderate" anything. We just keep this Forum up and running.) BTW, anybody can apply to become an additional Sysop/"moderator", although right now I think two of us is enough to keep the Forum running smoothly. > Can I get a daily digest version? Your wish is my command -- you are now set up to be receiving Daily Digests. If you ever want to change this, go to the Forum's web site at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum ...and click on "Edit My Membership". There you will be able to choose between Individual E-mails, Daily Digests, or No E-mail (read messages on web site only). From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Tue Oct 09 19:21:34 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 10 Oct 2001 02:21:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 31379 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2001 02:21:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2001 02:21:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.10.47) by mta1 with SMTP; 10 Oct 2001 02:21:33 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.133] by n8.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2001 02:21:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 02:21:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: a reminder // GE Superadio Message-ID: <9q0bbb+tsk@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2100 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.145 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> Please keep in mind that your messages will only show up here on The AM Stereo Forum if you specifically include amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com in the "To:" section of your e-mail message. If you "CC:" or "BCC:" messages to the Forum's address, they will not show up! That being said, here is a message that didn't make it to this group because of the aforementioned reason........ ==================================================================== From: "Dick W." To: amstereo@nrcdxas.org CC: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [amstereo] Re: the CCRadio Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 06:06:20 -0400 Is there any reason why the GE Super Radio III couldn't be adapted for AMS if an auxiliary remote speaker box was added? Dick W. ==================================================================== To answer Dick's question, unfortunately the GE Superadio III cannot be converted to AM Stereo because it uses a varactor for tuning, rather than a PLL synthesizer or a regular variable capacitor. The way the varactor works causes a lot of phase noise in the received signal, which is not audible in Mono reception, but since AM Stereo specifically relies on phase in order to provide its Stereo audio, excess noise in the phase component will cause the Stereo reception to be degraded in quality. In the case of the Superadio III, the phase noise is bad enough that the decoder refuses to lock onto Stereo mode. The very similar Optimus 12-603A radio (sold at Radio Shack) also uses a varactor tuning system; it also suffers from phase noise, which is not quite as bad as the Superadio III's but is still bad enough to prevent any AM Stereo conversion from providing acceptable results. My advice: Stick with the older GE Superadio I or II. These radios use regular tuning capacitors and will provide excellent results when converted to AM Stereo! There was also the very rare GE "Superadio Plus" with *digital* tuning, but try to find one these days!! Also equally rare are the "chrome" Superadios with a built-in cassette recorder. From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Wed Oct 10 20:57:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 73435 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2001 03:55:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.223 with QMQP; 11 Oct 2001 03:55:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.2.135) by mta1 with SMTP; 11 Oct 2001 03:57:35 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [10.1.4.81] by n27.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2001 03:57:35 -0000 Date: 11 Oct 2001 03:57:34 -0000 Message-ID: <1002772654.892306.50403.w108@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Notify: From: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /wwrl1.mpc Uploaded by : 76362.2023@compuserve.com Description : 1600 WWRL (New York, NY) - One of the best-sounding AM Stereo stations of all time. Note: This is an MPEG Plus file and requires an MP3 player with support for MPEG Plus audio (a.k.a. MP+ or MPC). For WinAmp users, a plug-in is available. You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/wwrl1.mpc To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, 76362.2023@compuserve.com From jeffdeck@aol.com Thu Oct 11 15:20:27 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 11 Oct 2001 22:20:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 84399 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2001 22:20:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2001 22:20:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.10.48) by mta1 with SMTP; 11 Oct 2001 22:20:26 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jeffdeck@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.30] by n9.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2001 22:20:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 22:20:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum Message-ID: <9q55v8+jj0j@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1002772654.892306.50403.w108@yahoogroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 178 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 205.188.195.54 From: jeffdeck@aol.com Where does one obtain the MP3 Winamp plug-in? And what advantages are gained by this MPC file? Thanks in advance. WAAM AM stereo sound file to be arriving here soon. From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Thu Oct 11 16:16:08 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0); 11 Oct 2001 23:16:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 68922 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2001 23:16:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.222 with QMQP; 11 Oct 2001 23:16:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.1.41) by mta1 with SMTP; 11 Oct 2001 23:16:04 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.2.109] by n25.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2001 23:16:04 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 23:16:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum Message-ID: <9q597h+4fe6@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <9q55v8+jj0j@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2329 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 165.230.240.115 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Where does one obtain the MP3 Winamp plug-in? You can find it here, in the "binaries" section: http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/~andbusch/audiocoder_eng.html This web site is run by the guy who wrote MPEG Plus, so if you have any questions he is the one to ask! > And what advantages are gained by this MPC file? In this case, not much... MPEG Plus offers a little better quality, but it's not really any more efficient than MP3. It's just a different way of doing things, and has gained support because it's a "grass roots" project, unlike MP3 which was created by a company called Fraunhofer IIS, who doesn't like it when people use MP3 without paying them licensing fees. Note that I am not saying MPEG Plus is the best thing in the world. I'm just trying out various different audio file formats, as even though MP3 is very good it won't be around forever and there are some very good alternatives. One of these alternatives is RealAudio 8.0. At bit-rates of 96 kbps and lower, it uses its own format which is generally good except for an unacceptable reduction in high-frequency stereo separation -- not good for files whose most important feature is the stereo sound! However, at bit rates of 105 kbps and above, RealAudio 8.0 uses Sony ATRAC-3 encoding -- the same system that's used for MiniDisc. This system is more efficient and better-sounding than MP3, but the stumbling block is it's a proprietary format -- only RealPlayer can play it, and RP is only available for recent versions of Windows and Mac OS. Nevertheless, if you'd like to try an ATRAC-3 recording of AM Stereo, playable with RealPlayer 8.0, try: http://www.geocities.com/amstereoexp/w/wwrl.rm This file contains the same exact audio content as the MPEG Plus file so you can do a direct comparison between the two. > Thanks in advance. WAAM AM stereo sound file to be arriving here > soon. Your recordings are greatly appreciated, but that 20 megs of file space is starting to fill up quickly! So I hope you don't mind if I have to move some of your files to a different location when space starts to get tight. Regardless of where the files are located, they will be available by a link in the files section here in the AM Stereo Forum, and will eventually be added to the AM Stereo Advantage web site. From jeffdeck@aol.com Fri Oct 12 02:10:39 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0); 12 Oct 2001 09:07:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 43436 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2001 09:07:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.1.221 with QMQP; 12 Oct 2001 09:07:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m10.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.165) by mta2 with SMTP; 12 Oct 2001 09:10:37 -0000 Received: from Jeffdeck@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.14.1be8b843 (3892); Fri, 12 Oct 2001 05:10:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <14.1be8b843.28f80d8a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 05:10:34 EDT Subject: Re: Chrysler Dodge Jeep Radios To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@nrcdxas.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 To Kit, Heather, Chris and all: What about the Chrysler Jeep radios? I was passenger in a 1997=20 Jeep, and it had a low end model with AM stereo. Dodge Plymouth=20 did not offer AM stereo in this year, unless it was a high end model. Chris, You said that your 1996 Dodge Dakota had the AM stereo chip? I assume this was the ubiquitous MC13022, what did you do to activate the AM stereo feature? BTW, the early Chrysler Dodge AM stereo radios did use a ceramic filter. It was a one piece unit combined with the I.F can transformer and encapsulated in a Toko white plastic package. It appears that the IAAAS list is on auto pilot. Where is Dennis? Le gr=E1, Jeff=20=20=20=20 In a message dated 10/12/2001 4:41:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, you write: >> 1985 - 1992 : AM Stereo on all full-size radios with FM Stereo=20 (Huntsville,=20 >> AL manufacture) -- approx. 6 kHz audio response, fixed bandwidth (no=20 >> ceramic filter - just coils, 260? kHz IF freq., MC13020 chip) Some have= a=20 >> dedicated AM Stereo On/Off switch. > Those were marginal performers at best. Even the FM side of those unit= s=20 >sounded like crap. I had one from a 1986 and it was very unimpressive on= =20 >both bands. > > I don't think the RBN has AMS, but I will need to check again before I= =20 say=20 >for sure. If any of the cars with RBN units are around tomorrow, I will=20 verify=20 >that and let you know. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Oct 12 04:32:33 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0); 12 Oct 2001 11:29:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 61681 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2001 11:28:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.220 with QMQP; 12 Oct 2001 11:28:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14203.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.145) by mta1 with SMTP; 12 Oct 2001 11:31:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20011012113138.83279.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.245] by web14203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 04:31:38 PDT Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 04:31:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: shortened digest? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio The two digests that I've received have only had one message a piece - I'm assuming that there were more posts than that? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From n0uiheric@aol.com Fri Oct 12 12:16:15 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0); 12 Oct 2001 19:16:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 5730 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2001 18:53:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.221 with QMQP; 12 Oct 2001 18:53:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r06.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.102) by mta1 with SMTP; 12 Oct 2001 18:53:14 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.d6.cf26b68 (4568); Fri, 12 Oct 2001 14:53:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 14:53:08 EDT Subject: Clear Channel CANNOT Be Trusted! To: jazzjockebstevenson@yahoo.com Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih No one was more unprepared for the attack on the World Trade Center and the subsequent war on terrorism than Clear Channel Communications. The company has been decimating its news operations in a continuing effort to wring more profit from its stations despite declining radio listenership. So when the twin towers fell and America turned to radio for answers, Clear Channel had little to say. Worse yet, it had no one to say it. In Miami, its music stations like Love94 suddenly began running newscasts, using talent that clearly had no experience reading news copy. Tuesday night, one week after the attack, the minute-long casts were done by some greenhorn who seems to believe that since the news is important, he should shout it. Clear Channel has already trashed former South Florida newser WINZ, taking the "all news" format to WIOD. That newsroom has unabashedly reported political news with a slant designed to protect the station's interest. Clear Channel's South Florida news operations have seen tremendous staff turnovers. The people who understood that a news organization's credibility is its stock in trade, have given way to staff like the news shouter of Love 94. Like the first newscasters on radio in the 20s, he will learn his craft on the air, but in a radio market that should demand better. In San Antonio, Clear Channel's flagship 50KW newser runs talk at night, with no local news presence, taking ABC news on the hour and half hour, its nationally syndicated talk host running hysterical poorly-produced promos, and pitches for donations to Clear Channel's effort to help New York's victims. Conspicuously absent is the line "every dollar will go to help." The host is beneath San Antonio, let alone national syndication. He's a moderate Rush Limbaugh; callers any less than sycophants or toadies are quietly hung up on, while he continues to act as if there's a "discussion" going on. He tackles the NIMDA virus that was discovered that day, proving he's more blowhard than brilliant, misstates that day's decline in the Dow by nearly 250 points, and displays an ignorance of mid-eastern geography that borders on scary. But the best of all, is the country jock in El Paso, who announces with great pride that his station is going to carry George Bush's address to the joint session. "Every bit of it," he says. "The whole thing," as if its some pie-eating contest. Was it so long ago that radio broadcasters understood how to blend from music to news to current affairs and back again? "Up next," he says, "the President of the United States, right here on El Paso's Country 96." I don't know if he expected Mr. Bush to fiddle Sally Goodin' or pull a four hour jock shift, but the joke is surely on us, for it seems that after 80 years of broadcasting, our gargantuan radio conglomerate seems to have forgotten everything we ever knew about how radio can gain the trust of its listeners. Its called credibility, and for all its megawatts of power, all of its thousands of stations, Clear Channel can't be trusted to report a lost dog. - Jerry Trowbridge --at Flying Pig Ranch 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://members.aol.com/n0uiheric/TurnOffClearChannel.html http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/turnoffclearchannel From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Fri Oct 12 17:43:39 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 13 Oct 2001 00:43:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 81282 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2001 00:38:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2001 00:38:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.2.114) by mta1 with SMTP; 13 Oct 2001 00:38:49 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.106] by n33.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2001 22:30:49 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 22:30:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Clear Channel CANNOT Be Trusted! Message-ID: <9q7quk+mjtc@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2136 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 165.230.240.115 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> Eric, I hate to have to do this, because I *highly* appreciate any and all participation here, but please keep in mind the following recommendation from the introductory message for this Forum: "Also, keep in mind that professionals in the radio business may be participating in this Forum, so in order to avoid offending these valuable members, it would be wise to avoid gratuitous 'bashing' of radio stations, broadcasting corporations, and on-air personalities." Obviously I am not for censorship of all criticism of Clear Channel (as I feel some of it is well-deserved), but we have to remember that the message archives of this group are publicly viewable... so you never know if some Clear Channel employees may be considering the possibility of reinstating use of AM Stereo at more of their stations, and if they come across this Forum we don't want to "scare them off" with gratuitous "Clear Channel bashing". Case in point, on another AM Stereo discussion group, the top engineer for Crawford Broadcasting was an active participant, until some people started criticising the programming formats of some Crawford stations, causing this very valuable member to be offended enough that he permanently left the group and hasn't been heard from since on any AM Stereo discussion group (I did invite him to join this one, but so far no response). So that's why I wrote the aforementioned recommendation... not because I condone some of CC's nefarious actions and policies, but because I know that incessantly "bashing" them is not the way to get them back on "our side"! Also, in this group we all know very well about the bad things CC has done... so bashing them here is like "preaching to the choir", so to speak. Mi dos centavos, Kevin T. NOTE: This is NOT, and NEVER will be, a "moderated" Forum. All members are still free to post whatever they wish. It's just that I may not necessarily agree with all that is posted here, just as some of you may not agree with all that I write! And that's FINE... that's why this is called a "Forum"... where all voices can be heard! From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Fri Oct 12 18:21:44 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 13 Oct 2001 01:21:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 87390 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2001 01:17:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.221 with QMQP; 13 Oct 2001 01:17:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.2.66) by mta1 with SMTP; 13 Oct 2001 01:17:56 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.134] by n20.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2001 01:17:55 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 01:17:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: shortened digest? Message-ID: <9q84o1+57e1@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <20011012113138.83279.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 546 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 165.230.240.115 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> > The two digests that I've received have only had one > message a piece - I'm assuming that there were more > posts than that? The digests aren't skipping any messages. As typical with new discussion groups, things start off rather slow, but the momentum is building. And to keep up-to-date with what's going on in this group, visit the AM Stereo Forum's web site at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Feel free to take advantage of all the available services, including Chat, Files, Photos, Bookmarks, Database, and Polls! From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Fri Oct 12 18:56:41 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 13 Oct 2001 01:56:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 81671 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2001 01:56:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.221 with QMQP; 13 Oct 2001 01:56:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.2.136) by mta1 with SMTP; 13 Oct 2001 01:56:40 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.120] by n28.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2001 01:56:39 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 01:56:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: new Greater Media stations Message-ID: <9q870l+mgvr@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2274 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 165.230.240.115 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> Although there were some reports to the contrary, I have learned that the FCC *did* approve the sale of two AM stations in New Jersey to Greater Media. These two are 1250 WMTR in Morristown (a former AM Stereo station) and 1170 WWTR in Bridgewater (has AM Stereo-capable transmitter but never used it), which are currently simulcasting a Nostalgia music format. These stations are in addition to the two other AM stations currently owned by Greater Media: WPEN 950 AM STEREO in Philadelphia, PA and WCTC 1450 AM STEREO in New Brunswick, NJ. Needless to say I will soon be sending a *written* letter to Greater Media encouraging them to investigate the possibility of resuming AM Stereo broadcasts at 1250 WMTR and of turning on the AM Stereo at 1170 WWTR for the first time since the station was built in early 1997 (as a replacement for the old WBRW-1170 which went dark in 1990). This sale also added two New Jersey FM stations to the Greater Media family, bringing the total number of Greater Media stations up to 18, including 5 in Boston, 3 in Detroit, 6 in New Jersey, and 4 in Philadelphia -- making them the third largest privately-owned radio group in the USA. Greater Media also owns and operates a total of nine newspapers in New Jersey. By the way, the news departments at Greater Media stations *can* be trusted to bring you the most thorough and up-to-date local, state, national, and international news. Greater Media stations frequently win awards for their outstanding news coverage, especially at WCTC 1450 AM Stereo, New Jersey's longest-running full-service News/Talk station (since 1941). For the record, here's the complete list of Greater Media stations: Boston WBOS 92.9 FM Variety WTKK 96.9 FM Talk WKLB 99.5 FM Country WROR 105.7 FM Classic Hits WMJX 106.7 FM Adult Contemporary Detroit WCSX 94.7 FM Classic Rock WRIF 101.1 FM Rock WGRV 105.1 FM Jammin' Oldies New Jersey WWTR 1170 AM Nostalgia WMTR 1250 AM Nostalgia WCTC 1450 AM STEREO News/Talk WRAT 95.9 FM Rock WMGQ 98.3 FM Adult Contemporary WDHA 105.5 FM Rock Philadelphia WPEN 950 AM STEREO Nostalgia WMMR 93.3 FM Rock WMWX 95.7 FM Contemporary Hits WMGK 102.9 FM Classic Rock Note: Most Greater Media FM stations broadcast with RDS. From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Oct 13 02:05:30 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 13 Oct 2001 09:05:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 23029 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2001 09:05:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.1.224 with QMQP; 13 Oct 2001 09:05:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2 with SMTP; 13 Oct 2001 09:05:29 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.46]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.6.188) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 05:03:19 -0400 Message-ID: <004501c153c5$a7534700$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <9q7quk+mjtc@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Clear Channel CANNOT Be Trusted! Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 05:01:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" Congrats KT! That was one of the most well-worded posts I have seen yet. It is 100% dead-nuts on target. I have first hand info that what you said is 100% true. I got a personal email from the PD of "liteFM" in NYC- the #1 station in NYC, and a CCU station. He was very supportive of our cause and wished us well. I do not want ANYONE to be offended reading our list. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. <76362.2023@compuserve.com> > Eric, I hate to have to do this, because I *highly* appreciate any and > all participation here, but please keep in mind the following > recommendation from the introductory message for this Forum: From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sun Oct 14 20:43:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 46088 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2001 03:43:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 15 Oct 2001 03:43:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.10.46) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Oct 2001 03:43:02 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [10.1.10.28] by n7.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2001 03:43:02 -0000 Date: 15 Oct 2001 03:42:58 -0000 Message-ID: <1003117378.354508.77707.w1@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Notify: From: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /Wmib.mp3 Uploaded by : 76362.2023@compuserve.com Description : 1660 WMIB (Marco Island, FL) - 1000-mile DX reception of WMIB's "DX test" in which they ran at full 10,000 watt daytime power at night. Received in AM Stereo on a Sony SRF-42 in central New Jersey. You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/Wmib.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, 76362.2023@compuserve.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Oct 15 10:07:08 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 15 Oct 2001 17:07:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 77685 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2001 17:07:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2001 17:07:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14204.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.146) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Oct 2001 17:07:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20011015170704.814.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 10:07:04 PDT Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 10:07:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Chrysler Code To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron If somebody just asked this, I appologize, but does the 2001 Chrysler "RBB" have AMS? It has the 3 sliders for tone controls, which usually indicates AMS. The RBB has a cassette, and CD controls, but NO built-in CD. Any ideas? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Wed Oct 17 17:08:25 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 18 Oct 2001 00:08:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 26784 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2001 00:08:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2001 00:08:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web13804.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.175.14) by mta2 with SMTP; 18 Oct 2001 00:08:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20011018000822.34492.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.230.240.115] by web13804.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 17:08:22 PDT Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 17:08:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 1970 Chevy "AM Stereo" car radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-From: Kevin Tekel From: Kevin Tekel <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics An interesting combination.... a regular mono AM radio (no FM) combined with a Stereo 8-track tape player: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=596689529 BTW, would you believe that mono car radios are still being made? At just about any auto parts store or discount department store you can still find AM Mono/FM Mono/Cassette Mono radios, often packaged together with a pair of very cheap speakers, priced in the $15 to $20 range. The only cases when I have actually seen people buy and use these radios is when they're selling a used car and have taken the "good" radio out of it and are just looking for the cheapest possible way to fill the hole in the dashboard with something that works and provides sound. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Oct 17 19:23:19 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 18 Oct 2001 02:23:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 55433 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2001 02:23:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by 10.1.1.224 with QMQP; 18 Oct 2001 02:23:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14208.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.72) by mta3 with SMTP; 18 Oct 2001 02:23:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20011018022315.52807.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.162.18.227] by web14208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:23:15 PDT Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:23:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 9 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1003368110.572.68995.m12@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio You're da*n right - I wasn't going to give-up my old trusty Delco UX-1 when I sold my '89 Beretta (cassette crapped-out, but AMS still rings clear)... K.T. wrote: The only cases when I have actually seen people buy and use these radios is when they're selling a used car and have taken the "good" radio out of it and are just looking for the cheapest possible way to fill the hole in the dashboard with something that works and provides sound. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Wed Oct 17 20:01:27 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 18 Oct 2001 03:01:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 4970 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2001 03:01:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 18 Oct 2001 03:01:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.10.92) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Oct 2001 03:01:26 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.120] by n14.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2001 03:02:21 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 03:01:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 9 Message-ID: <9qlgm4+lo87@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <20011018022315.52807.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1494 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 165.230.240.115 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > You're da*n right - I wasn't going to give-up my old trusty Delco > UX-1 when I sold my '89 Beretta (cassette crapped-out, but AMS > still rings clear)... I have heard that the "front-loading" Delco cassette players are prone to failure, but in most cases you can pop in a "CD-to-cassette adapter" and use it to play the audio of a portable CD player, cassette player, or what-have-you through the semi-working Delco cassette deck. Too bad they don't make the opposite -- an adapter that would capture the output of a cassette recorder... that way I could feed audio into my cassette deck and produce encoded audio for broadcasting my "Alfredo Lite" transmitter in Dolby AM Stereo with HX Pro and B NR! Old-timers will recall when FM stations broadcast with Dolby encoding in the late '70s... unfortunately, it never really took off, just like "FMX" later in the '80s and early '90s... Meanwhile, MTS TV Stereo uses DBX noise reduction (a competitor to Dolby, also found on some cassette decks) in order to make up for the inherent limitations of the Zenith stereo format, which was chosen over superior competitor systems for the same reason why the FCC initially chose the Magnavox AM Stereo system -- because they were the biggest "name" and would have (and did) flooded the market with Stereo-equipped products immediately after FCC approval of their system... also some say because Zenith was the only "American" brand out of the bunch, just like Magnavox.... From jeffdeck@aol.com Thu Oct 18 02:34:44 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 18 Oct 2001 09:34:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 53071 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2001 09:34:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by 10.1.1.220 with QMQP; 18 Oct 2001 09:34:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta3 with SMTP; 18 Oct 2001 09:34:41 -0000 Received: from Jeffdeck@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.4e.4f2787 (4357); Thu, 18 Oct 2001 05:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4e.4f2787.28fffc21@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 05:34:25 EDT Subject: Re: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@nrcdxas.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 FMX was developed by CBS Laboratories, and never gained any significant ground in USA due to field testing failures. Essentially FMX applied a noise companding process to the L-R information. To retain compatibility with the present FM stereo format, this companded L-R was applied in quadrature to the main composite carrier. FM is prone to multipath reception, where the main carrier is reflected and refracted, and multiple carriers arrive at the receiver. You can hear this multipath as "picket fencing" in a moving vehicle. Multipath created havoc with the FMX system, and little (if any) benefit was gained using the FMX system. It also interfered with conventional FM stereo reception. As a result, FMX died. Please remember that the FM stereo process launched in 1961 uses AM for the L-R material. When L-R is not present, this AM double sideband suppressed carrier is not present. This preserves transmitter power for the main L+R carrier. When wide stereo separation is aired, there is a 23dB penalty paid in signal-to-noise ratio, compared to FM monaural reception. There is still a receiver signal-to-noise penalty paid when a FM stereo decoder senses the pilot tone, when monaural program is transmitted. There is still residual noise present in the high frequency L-R stereo subcarrier, which is centered at 38kHz. This noise is detected by the FM discriminator, and presented to the FM stereo decoder. MTS TV stereo format uses dbx companding to preserve the signal-to-noise ratio at the station's Grade B contour (weak reception areas up to 55 miles from the station). In my opinion, dbx performs admirably with this difficult task. There were limitations with all of the proposed analog TV stereo systems. Zenith's system performed best in independent field trials. The FCC had little involvement with these field tests, and never did choose or mandate any MTS TV stereo transmission system. Rather, the FCC "protected" Zenith's 15.734kHz pilot tone so that another format could not use this frequency for their pilot tone beacon. FCC did provide type acceptance to all of the proposed TV stereo formats, as long as each met certain minimum criteria, and could be contained within the existing analog transmission system. Learning from previous mistakes, I feel that the MTS TV stereo testing was better organized and conducted with manufacturer and TV station involvement and support. Most people did not balk when the MTS TV stereo format was launched in USA in 1984. Blonder Tongue, inventor of the decoder system used by Wometco Home Theater (WHT)and ON TV in some markets, contended that the Zenith MTS TV stereo format "interfered" with their encryption system. Indeed, any MTS TV stereo set could receive the audio portion of any WHT broadcast in New York! Blonder Tongue requested a five year delay in launch of TV stereo, which the FCC denied. Recoton, Zenith and Sony introduced TV stereo decoder "add on" accessories. These were devices that connected to certain monaural TV sets, and allowed TV stereo reception. (Some of you may remember the Blonder Tongue UHF TV set-top converter accessories). These TV stereo accessories were not well received in the marketplace, as some consumers were confused. Do not confuse the consumers! RCA initially flooded the market in 1985 with TV stereo sets. RCA owned NBC at the time, and had the most to gain with domestic TV stereo broadcasting. NBC was the first American TV network to air MTS stereo broadcasts. History repeated itself, as RCA mass produced color TV sets to consumers, and NBC was the first network to transmit color TV telecasts on a regular basis. I do not understand why the present analog C-QuAM format has to be abandoned in favor of the IBOC AM digital stereo format. Digital TV sets are not presently "flying" out of the sales room doors. Indeed, color TV sets were not the majority in consumer homes until 15 years after introduction. And if anyone believes that analog TV broadcasting will cease altogether in year 2006, I have some ocean front property for sale in Arizona. 73, Jeff In a message dated 10/17/2001 11:07:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Kevin writes: >I have heard that the "front-loading" Delco cassette players are prone >to failure, but in most cases you can pop in a "CD-to-cassette >adapter" and use it to play the audio of a portable CD player, >cassette player, or what-have-you through the semi-working Delco >cassette deck. > >Too bad they don't make the opposite -- an adapter that would capture >the output of a cassette recorder... that way I could feed audio into >my cassette deck and produce encoded audio for broadcasting my >"Alfredo Lite" transmitter in Dolby AM Stereo with HX Pro and B NR! > >Old-timers will recall when FM stations broadcast with Dolby encoding >in the late '70s... unfortunately, it never really took off, just like >"FMX" later in the '80s and early '90s... Meanwhile, MTS TV Stereo >uses DBX noise reduction (a competitor to Dolby, also found on some >cassette decks) in order to make up for the inherent limitations of >the Zenith stereo format, which was chosen over superior competitor >systems for the same reason why the FCC initially chose the Magnavox >AM Stereo system -- because they were the biggest "name" and would >have (and did) flooded the market with Stereo-equipped products >immediately after FCC approval of their system... also some say >because Zenith was the only "American" brand out of the bunch, just >like Magnavox.... From n0uiheric@aol.com Thu Oct 18 15:52:50 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 18 Oct 2001 22:52:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 84338 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2001 22:52:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2001 22:52:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Oct 2001 22:52:48 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.d5.d93c338 (16339) for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 18:52:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 18:52:30 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih And another thing; IBOC-DAB is an audio version of a fax machine. For more information, go to http://www.digitaldisaster.org/ 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://members.aol.com/n0uiheric/TurnOffClearChannel.html http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/turnoffclearchannel From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Thu Oct 18 16:02:04 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 18 Oct 2001 23:02:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 48070 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2001 23:02:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2001 23:02:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.10.49) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Oct 2001 23:02:02 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.4.66] by n10.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2001 23:02:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 23:01:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FMX, etc. Message-ID: <9qnn17+l8m3@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <4e.4f2787.28fffc21@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5022 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 165.230.240.115 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > FMX was developed by CBS Laboratories, and never gained any > significant ground in USA due to field testing failures. Nevertheless, in the early '90s there was at least one aftermarket car radio with a built-in FMX decoder: the JVC KS-RG9. > Please remember that the FM stereo process launched in 1961 > uses AM for the L-R material. When L-R is not present, this AM > double sideband suppressed carrier is not present. This preserves > transmitter power for the main L+R carrier. BTW, I am having an odd problem with 104.3 WAXQ-FM ("Q-104" classic rock) in New York City.... some radios refuse to enter Stereo mode when I tune this station in, even though others have no problem, and the station is indeed broadcasting with true Stereo separation. I did a frequency response graph of their audio and their 19 kHz pilot tone is exactly on-frequency. What else could cause some radios to stay in Mono mode, even when the signal is obviously strong enough for stereo reception? So far my Sony SRF-A100, a Panasonic bookshelf stereo system, and a GE walkman all won't receive WAXQ in Stereo, while my Panasonic walkman (Japanese import with AM Stereo), Technics home tuner, and Philips-Magnavox boom-box do receive this station in full Stereo. > There is still residual noise present in the high frequency L-R > stereo subcarrier, which is centered at 38kHz. This noise is > detected by the FM discriminator, and presented to the FM stereo > decoder. However this noise is completely out-of-phase, so blending the audio towards mono helps to reduce it, even if the Stereo decoder is not actually switched off. The Carver TX-11 series used some very fancy circuitry that claimed to reduce this noise without also reducing stereo separation; some say it worked magic, while others say it was complete rubbish. > The FCC had little involvement with these field tests, and never > did choose or mandate any MTS TV stereo transmission system. I guess that's why there's a Channel 6 TV station in Alaska that is using their audio signal as a regular FM radio station (on 87.7 MHz), complete with regular FM Stereo audio with 19 kHz pilot tone, rather than MTS TV Stereo with the associated reduced modulation level... and the FCC is apparently letting them get away with this. > Rather, the FCC "protected" Zenith's 15.734kHz pilot tone so that > another format could not use this frequency for their pilot tone > beacon. BTW, I am finding an increasing number of CD recordings that have the 15.7 kHz pilot tone in their audio! "If You're Gone" by Matchbox 20, "Bailamos" by Enrique Iglesias, and "Missing You" by Tina Turner are examples of this -- these all have a 15.7 kHz tone in the audio, at least during certain parts of the song. Also, the classic "Wonderful Tonight" by Eric Clapton was recorded with a very prominent 19 kHz tone in the audio! And I know Pacifica-owned 99.5 WBAI plays their recorded shows off of VHS Hi-Fi Stereo tapes.... because quite often I hear the "buzzing" or "zapping" noise that occurs when the tape encounters a bad spot and the Hi-Fi decoding messes up. Nevertheless, VHS Hi-Fi is the highest-fidelity analog audio source of all -- on good equipment, the audio frequency response (+/- 3 dB) can be some outrageous figure like 4 Hz to 150 kHz!! > I do not understand why the present analog C-QuAM format has to > be abandoned in favor of the IBOC AM digital stereo format. Unfortunately this is a case of trying to do too much with too little bandwidth. 10 kHz is just not enough to carry both the digital signal and also regular analog audio of any good quality, mono or Stereo. As-is, the analog portion's audio has to be cut off at 5 kHz in order to "make room" for the digital signal. So even if they could broadcaast IBOC and C-Quam simultaneously, who would want to listen to C-Quam stereo with a telephone-like 5 kHz audio bandwidth? Even on FM, IBOC is a complete flop. The marginal improvement in audio quality is not worth the degredation of reception for regular analog FM listeners. And radio stations are already seeing through this nonsense. Spend $150,000 on equipment that does nothing but *reduce* the quality of reception and audio for 99.9% of your listeners? No way! 102.7 WNEW-FM in New York City was testing IBOC-FM for a while, but they dropped it after complaints of interference from listeners of stations on 102.5 and 102.9 MHz. And indeed I did hear a very loud buzzing sound when I tuned to 102.5 MHz -- I wonder how the FCC ever let IBOC-FM be tested with that much "splatter" outside of the allocated station bandwidth. This is part of the reason why I named my web site "The AM Stereo Advantage" -- because it still has the advantage over any other method of AM broadcasting.... AM Stereo consistently delivers the best audio quality and the best reception, with absolutely none of the drawbacks that plague IBOC-AM and other digital/analog hybrid systems. From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Thu Oct 18 17:03:41 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 19 Oct 2001 00:03:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 93572 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2001 00:03:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2001 00:03:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.10.49) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Oct 2001 00:03:39 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.126] by n10.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2001 00:03:39 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 00:03:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: re: IBOC DAB Message-ID: <9qnqkq+a4jl@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1307 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 165.230.240.115 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > And another thing; IBOC-DAB is an audio version of a fax machine. > For more information, go to http://www.digitaldisaster.org/ That is a great web site, however it doesn't say much about IBOC-AM. For the truth about IBOC-AM and all of its shortcomings, I always point people to: http://www.radio.cbc.ca/radio/digital-radio/labnov.html The only shortcoming of this very informative web site is that it fails to mention that IBOC-AM is incompatible with C-Quam AM Stereo, and that the 4.5 kHz cut-off of the analog audio totally ruins the quality of the audio for analog listeners (as even "narrow-bandwidth" radios have some degree of audio response up to the 10 kHz limit, so thus cutting off everything above 4.5 kHz causes a very noticeable degradation in audio quality). Nevertheless, digital *can* work wonders -- but on the *receiver* side, not the transmitter side. DSP (Digital Signal Processing) has the capability to greatly enhance reception and sound quality, and in the case of AM Stereo, DSP can be used to *eliminate* platform motion! Motorola has released the computer code necessary to decode C-Quam using DSP, and some hobbyists have already built DSP-based AM Stereo receivers (well, actually ISB receivers, which can be adapted to receive any AM Stereo system). From jeffdeck@aol.com Sat Oct 20 03:16:08 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 20 Oct 2001 10:16:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 89466 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2001 10:16:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.220 with QMQP; 20 Oct 2001 10:16:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r02.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.98) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Oct 2001 10:16:06 -0000 Received: from Jeffdeck@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.c3.17d46b5f (4446); Sat, 20 Oct 2001 06:16:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 06:16:01 EDT Subject: Re: FMX, etc. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@nrcdxas.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 In a message dated 10/18/2001 7:07:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Kevin writes: >BTW, I am having an odd problem with 104.3 WAXQ-FM ("Q-104" classic >rock) in New York City.... some radios refuse to enter Stereo mode >when I tune this station in, even though others have no problem, and >the station is indeed broadcasting with true Stereo separation. I did >a frequency response graph of their audio and their 19 kHz pilot tone >is exactly on-frequency. What else could cause some radios to stay in >Mono mode, even when the signal is obviously strong enough for stereo >reception? So far my Sony SRF-A100, a Panasonic bookshelf stereo >system, and a GE walkman all won't receive WAXQ in Stereo, while my >Panasonic walkman (Japanese import with AM Stereo), Technics home >tuner, and Philips-Magnavox boom-box do receive this station in full >Stereo. If you are within the grade A contour of their signal, this sounds as though that their pilot tone level is not transmitted with correct deviation. >actually switched off. The Carver TX-11 series used some very fancy >circuitry that claimed to reduce this noise without also reducing >stereo separation; some say it worked magic, while others say it was >complete rubbish. I own both the TX-2 and TX-11a with the Assymetrical Charge-Coupled Delay Line circuits. Bob Carver designed this circuit, and there are ~100 operational amplifiers on this rather large board. It does make a difference when it is engaged on weak signals. When I modified my TX-2 for AM stereo reception, I made use of this feature. It did eliminate clipping distortion heard on weak AM stereo stations. >I guess that's why there's a Channel 6 TV station in Alaska that is >using their audio signal as a regular FM radio station (on 87.7 MHz), >complete with regular FM Stereo audio with 19 kHz pilot tone, rather >than MTS TV Stereo with the associated reduced modulation level... and >the FCC is apparently letting them get away with this. I am familiar with this LPTV station. They are licensed on channel 6, and choose to run it as an FM radio station at 87.75MHz. There is a billboard on the video. It appears that they are within their license. Many eyebrows were raised, though. Not every FM digital synthesized radio will tune down to 87.7MHz. For instance, the Chrysler high end CD/cassette/AM stereo model stops at 87.9MHz. One can still hear the local channel 6 on this frequency, but it is not clear. Also, TV sound deviation is much less than FM band, so one has to raise the volume to compensate. One gets a jolt when you tune back to FM station, and forget to first lower the volume level. >BTW, I am finding an increasing number of CD recordings that have the >15.7 kHz pilot tone in their audio! "If You're Gone" by Matchbox 20, >"Bailamos" by Enrique Iglesias, and "Missing You" by Tina Turner are >examples of this -- these all have a 15.7 kHz tone in the audio, at >least during certain parts of the song. Also, the classic "Wonderful >Tonight" by Eric Clapton was recorded with a very prominent 19 kHz >tone in the audio! Why have this tone occasionally present? This does not make sense. Most stereo encoders will incorporate brick wall filters on the left and right channels, to lessen interference to the pilot tone. >Nevertheless, VHS Hi-Fi is the >highest-fidelity analog audio source of all -- on good equipment, the >audio frequency response (+/- 3 dB) can be some outrageous figure like >4 Hz to 150 kHz!! Not to mention the Beta Super HiFi format. These specifications rivaled analog reel-to-reel tape decks. >Unfortunately this is a case of trying to do too much with too little >bandwidth. 10 kHz is just not enough to carry both the digital signal >and also regular analog audio of any good quality, mono or Stereo. >As-is, the analog portion's audio has to be cut off at 5 kHz in order >to "make room" for the digital signal. So even if they could >broadcaast IBOC and C-Quam simultaneously, who would want to listen to >C-Quam stereo with a telephone-like 5 kHz audio bandwidth? Consumers will not race out to purchase these new receivers. Why put more information on the display to distract the driver? For this reason, most FM RDS stations in mid-Ohio do not use the rolling text feature. I-BOC does not replicate the analog reception area; listeners will still hear the analog signal in the fringe area of the station! >102.7 WNEW-FM in New York City was testing IBOC-FM for a while, but >they dropped it after complaints of interference from listeners of >stations on 102.5 and 102.9 MHz. And indeed I did hear a very loud >buzzing sound when I tuned to 102.5 MHz -- I wonder how the FCC ever >let IBOC-FM be tested with that much "splatter" outside of the >allocated station bandwidth. WNEW - Is this where Opus and Anthony originate? This splatter is due to the FM sidebands. AM is a very spectrum efficient medium. AM has better linearity than FM. Eight track, cassette tapes and albums are recorded using a form of AM. I am receiving CHTN under WGN at the moment. High powered monaural Cuban stations were received this week, and stomped on several former clear channel American stations. Monaural WTAW was received on 1620kHz from College Station, Texas two mornings this week. 73, Jeff From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Sat Oct 20 13:19:07 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 20 Oct 2001 20:19:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 13777 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2001 20:19:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.223 with QMQP; 20 Oct 2001 20:19:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.10.50) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Oct 2001 20:19:03 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.103] by n11.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2001 20:19:02 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 20:18:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FMX, etc. Message-ID: <9qsm7i+2e3j@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2461 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 165.230.240.116 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > If you are within the grade A contour of their signal, this sounds > as though that their pilot tone level is not transmitted with > correct deviation. Whatever WAXQ's problem was, it has been fixed; I am now receiving them in Stereo on all my receivers. I am also happy to note that there is one less *FM* "offender" station -- 106.3 WHTG-FM in Eatontown, NJ has resumed broadcasting with true Stereo audio, after many months of Mono audio with the Stereo pilot tone on. > Consumers will not race out to purchase these new receivers. USA Digital Radio (creator of the most prolific IBOC DAB system) now says DAB radios should be available by "2003". Gee, that's only a DECADE after when they first said IBOC DAB would make its big debut... and every year since then it's always been "just a year or two away"! > I-BOC does not replicate the analog reception area; listeners will > still hear the analog signal in the fringe area of the station! Did you know that in 1999, USA Digital Radio petitioned the FCC to require *all* AM stations to limit their audio response to 5 kHz, not just ones using IBOC? They were afraid that 'splatter' from full-bandwidth analog AM stations would ruin the effectiveness of IBOC digital AM. Of course, the FCC said no, but it is disturbing to think that the makers of IBOC DAB are that desperate to support a system which is such a technological disaster. > WNEW - Is this where Opus and Anthony originate? Yes, unfortuantely. That's the vulgar talk show that got kicked off the air in Boston after running a prank saying that the mayor was dead. Thankfully, not *all* programming on WNEW-FM is that horrible; I actually like their "Ron & Fez" show, which I believe is also aired on WJFK in Washington, DC. > I am receiving CHTN under WGN at the moment. High powered > monaural Cuban stations were received this week, and stomped on > several former clear channel American stations. Things were strange for me last night as well. 1010 CFRB from Canada was almost completely overriding local 1010 WINS from NYC. I was also getting AM Stereo pilots on *all* of the Expanded Band frequencies. This included 1620 WHLY, 1630 KCJJ, 1640 WKSH, 1670 WRNC, 1680 WJNZ, 1690 WMDM, 1700 WEUP, and unidentified stations on 1650 and 1660 kHz. I was also getting 850 WTAR from Norfolk, VA in AM Stereo (they're not on any AM Stereo station listings), although this could have been 'falsing'. From jeffdeck@aol.com Sun Oct 21 02:23:12 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 21 Oct 2001 09:23:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 90569 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2001 09:23:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2001 09:23:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Oct 2001 09:23:10 -0000 Received: from Jeffdeck@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.fd.de0beb6 (3868); Sun, 21 Oct 2001 05:23:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 05:23:05 EDT Subject: WBZ IS MONAURAL To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@nrcdxas.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 WBZ received here in central Ohio. They must be on redundant transmitter. Write letters! We need stereo to return. KDKA briefly tested the Kahn AM stereo format, and never aired regular stereo broadcasting. I still own the Recoton FRED2 and FRED3 (FRED was Friendly Recoton Entertainment Decoder) MTS TV stereo decoders. 73, Jeff From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Sun Oct 21 12:28:22 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 21 Oct 2001 19:28:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 76205 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2001 19:28:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2001 19:28:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.1.34) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Oct 2001 19:28:22 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.96] by n16.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2001 19:28:17 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 19:28:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WBZ IS MONAURAL Message-ID: <9qv7kh+60jq@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1843 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 165.230.240.116 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > WBZ received here in central Ohio. They must be on redundant > transmitter. Write letters! We need stereo to return. Yesterday I sent an e-mail to their General Manager. I shall see if I get any response. I have the e-mail address for their Broadcast Operations Engineer but it is from 1997 and I don't know if he still works for WBZ (and/or still uses that e-mail address). 1030 WBZ uses two main 50,000-watt transmitters that they switch between weekly. Perhaps the AM Stereo exciter in one of them has gone out and they will be without Stereo every other week until it is fixed. They also have a 10,000-watt (non-directional) mono back-up transmitter, but their signal has been as strong as ever so I don't think they're using it now. As you may recall, about two years ago, WBZ was in Mono for at least two or three months while their AM Stereo exciter was being fixed. We thought we had lost them for good, but they finally returned to the air in glorious full-separation Stereo and had been in Stereo until a couple days ago. > KDKA briefly tested the Kahn AM stereo format, and never aired > regular stereo broadcasting. Actually I believe they were in C-Quam AM Stereo until about 1996. When I got my first AM Stereo radio (from a 1988 Chrysler, hooked up to a 12V power supply at home) in mid-1995 I remember receiving KDKA in Stereo. In fact back then virtually every clear channel (the FCC classification, not the broadcasting company) between 1010 and 1210 kHz was in Stereo. For a while 1030 WBZ was the only one left but thankfully 1210 WPHT has returned to full Stereo broadcasting (and like WBZ they are owned by Infinity/CBS). I don't know if it is true, but I heard that at one time, all of the Westinghouse-owned "Group W" stations were in AM Stereo (using the C-Quam system). From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Oct 21 15:04:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 21 Oct 2001 22:04:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 5702 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2001 22:04:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.1.220 with QMQP; 21 Oct 2001 22:04:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2 with SMTP; 21 Oct 2001 22:04:31 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.79]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.6.188) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 18:03:01 -0400 Message-ID: <000501c15a7b$ccf57480$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <9qv7kh+60jq@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WBZ IS MONAURAL Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 18:00:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I just did a check (6PM, edst) on WBZ.. I can't even get them! I am getting a religious station, with a preacher, organ music in the background and all! I Have *never* gotten anything other than WBZ on 1030.... Interesting, as well, KCJJ is coming in fine now. Rare evening catch for me. cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. <76362.2023@compuserve.com> From jeffdeck@aol.com Sun Oct 21 16:19:50 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 21 Oct 2001 23:19:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 10389 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2001 23:19:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by 10.1.1.223 with QMQP; 21 Oct 2001 23:19:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.8) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Oct 2001 23:19:47 -0000 Received: from Jeffdeck@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.c5.1800bac7 (4366); Sun, 21 Oct 2001 19:19:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 19:19:45 EDT Subject: Re: Dodge Neon has AM Stereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@nrcdxas.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Hi Chris, ON Semiconductor continues to supply Daimler Chrysler and GM Cadillac (Delphi Automotive) radios with AM stereo technology. These AM stereo decoder chips are now also in demand from some other large manufacturers, and Fanfare, and we should see some new releases. If I hear any further information, I will it pass along to the list. I wrote to Aiwa Japan again requesting American AM stereo product. Someone mentioned that they were receiving an AM station on two places on the dial. If this separation is 900kHz, your I.F is 450kHz. Better designed tuners (Denon TU-680NAB, Carver TX-2) do not suffer this superheterodyne distortion, as they have atleast two tuned RF stages. In fact, my Carver TX-2 does not receive WBNS (1460kHz) on 560kHz even if I tune the Radio Shack loop antenna to 1460kHz. I am listening to KCJJ from Iowa City at 1916 EDT. They are still on their 10kW daytime power with omnidirectional pattern. Spoke too soon; it now sounds as they switched to their 1kW night power. 73, Jeff In a message dated 10/18/2001 6:42:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Chris writes: >A while back, I found out, I believe from Jeff Deck,(or it may have been >Marv Southcott) that Chrysler renewed its contract with ON semiconductors >to supply the needed MC13022 decoder IC's So Chrysler will be with us for now. >CC From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Sun Oct 21 17:11:49 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 22 Oct 2001 00:11:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 81208 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2001 00:11:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.220 with QMQP; 22 Oct 2001 00:11:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.10.49) by mta1 with SMTP; 22 Oct 2001 00:11:48 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.93] by n10.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2001 00:11:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 00:11:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WBZ IS MONAURAL Message-ID: <9qvo80+jmbr@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <000501c15a7b$ccf57480$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1877 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 165.230.240.116 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I just did a check (6PM, edst) on WBZ.. I can't even get them! I am > getting a religious station, with a preacher, organ music in the > background and all! I Have *never* gotten anything other than WBZ > on 1030.... At least around here the sunset sign-off time is 6:15, so you might have heard the tail-end of some daytimer. And just before sign-off in winter is the best opportunity to hear these "peanut-whistle" stations. I was once able to receive "Radio Hollywood" 1620 WHLY while the sun was still up, almost an hour before sunset -- that was really strange, but it helped that they were on their 10,000-watt daytime power. WBZ is coming in very poorly tonight. Their signal is much weaker than normal; even a Superadio III strains to receive it. I wouldn't rule out the possibility that they are on their 10kW backup transmitter while the AM Stereo exciter on their main transmitter is being fixed! > Interesting, as well, KCJJ is coming in fine now. Rare evening > catch for me. When they were the only station on 1630 their coverage was amazing. Just about any radio could pick them up for hours at a time. But now that the Expanded Band is filling up it is getting more and more difficult to receive KCJJ. It doesn't help that I have a local TIS info station on 1630 kHz, but many times KCJJ shows their presence by tripping my radio in Stereo mode, even if I can't hear their audio. BTW, does anyone know if KCJK 1560 is still on the air? I heard it was shut down for good. I wonder if they are going to take down the four extra towers that were used for KCJK when it was a directional station. That's a lot of metal to have up in the air when it's doing nothing -- plus I can imagine how it might be affecting the radiation of their main 1630 kHz signal (transmitted from the center tower of the in-line five tower array). From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Oct 22 01:24:52 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 22 Oct 2001 08:24:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 92610 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2001 08:24:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 22 Oct 2001 08:24:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1 with SMTP; 22 Oct 2001 08:24:51 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.42]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.6.188) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 04:23:23 -0400 Message-ID: <004c01c15ad2$760ed4c0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <9qvo80+jmbr@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 04:20:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 1560 is down for good. The towers are sitting unused. No immediate plans for them. cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. <76362.2023@compuserve.com> From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Oct 22 06:11:47 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 22 Oct 2001 13:11:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 93857 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2001 13:11:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.221 with QMQP; 22 Oct 2001 13:11:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14203.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.145) by mta1 with SMTP; 22 Oct 2001 13:11:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20011022131144.36739.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 06:11:44 PDT Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 06:11:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: SAD response from WBZ - time to write To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio [SMTP:BHESS@boston.cbs.com] > > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 8:49 AM > > Subject: RE: Request about Broadcast Reception and Tech Issues, WBZ > > > > > > We are broadcasting with the same power. We are > using a brand new > > transmitter and we are not currently broadcasting > in stereo. We are > > re-thinking the whole thing and may or may not > return to the air in > > stereo. > > Stereo radios are no longer made and we feel that, > in the suburbs out > > towards I-495, our signal is hurt by the stereo. > I have noticed a > > significant difference driving to my place in > Hopkinton. Also, WBZ will > > be > > switching to digital broadcasts in two years and > at that time, AM stereo > > will go away (digital broadcasting will provide FM > quality stereo on AM > > but > > only with a digital receiver). > > > > Bob Hess > > Director, Broadcast Operations/Engineering > > WBZ-AM/WODS-FM/WBZ-TV/WSBK-TV/WLWC-TV > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Mon Oct 22 07:16:38 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 22 Oct 2001 14:16:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 28366 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2001 14:16:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.1.224 with QMQP; 22 Oct 2001 14:16:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.121.85) by mta2 with SMTP; 22 Oct 2001 14:16:32 -0000 Received: from earthlink.net (sdn-ar-004fltampP237.dialsprint.net [158.252.76.253]) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA28416 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 07:16:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3BD42AD4.A7CA9FD0@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 10:19:00 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} SAD response from WBZ - time to write References: <20011022131144.36739.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Dick W." I guess he's saying that digital receivers ARE being made, and that there are enough of them out there to justify digital stereo broadcasting? I suspect that the same market difficulties will plague digital stereo as affected C-Quam. I think (unfortunately) that he's spending a lot of money that won't garner any additional success. Dick W. Johnny Electron wrote: > [SMTP:BHESS@boston.cbs.com] > > > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 8:49 AM > > > Subject: RE: Request about Broadcast Reception and Tech Issues, WBZ > > > > > > > > > We are broadcasting with the same power. We are using a brand new > > > transmitter and we are not currently broadcasting in stereo. We are > > > re-thinking the whole thing and may or may not return to the air in > stereo. > > > Stereo radios are no longer made and we feel that, in the suburbs out > > > towards I-495, our signal is hurt by the stereo. I have noticed a > > > significant difference driving to my place in Hopkinton. Also, WBZ > will be > > > switching to digital broadcasts in two years and at that time, AM > stereo > > > will go away (digital broadcasting will provide FM quality stereo on AM > > > > but> only with a digital receiver). > > > > > > Bob Hess > > > Director, Broadcast Operations/Engineering > > > WBZ-AM/WODS-FM/WBZ-TV/WSBK-TV/WLWC-TV > > > > From di316@freenet.carleton.ca Mon Oct 22 10:24:51 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: di316@freenet.carleton.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 22 Oct 2001 17:24:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 88122 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2001 17:24:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.1.222 with QMQP; 22 Oct 2001 17:24:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO freenet.carleton.ca) (134.117.136.20) by mta2 with SMTP; 22 Oct 2001 17:24:31 -0000 Received: from freenet10.carleton.ca (freenet10 [134.117.136.30]) by freenet.carleton.ca (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/NCF_f1_v3.00) with ESMTP id NAA06814 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 13:24:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (di316@localhost) by freenet10.carleton.ca (8.9.3+Sun/NCF-Sun-Client) id NAA00368; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 13:24:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 13:24:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200110221724.NAA00368@freenet10.carleton.ca> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FMX, etc. Reply-To: paulc@freenet.carleton.ca X-eGroups-From: paulc@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul G. Cumming) From: di316@freenet.carleton.ca X-Yahoo-Profile: rahoule104 jeffdeck@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/18/2001 7:07:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > Kevin writes: > >I guess that's why there's a Channel 6 TV station in Alaska that is > >using their audio signal as a regular FM radio station (on 87.7 > >MHz), complete with regular FM Stereo audio with 19 kHz pilot tone, > >rather than MTS TV Stereo with the associated reduced modulation > >level... and the FCC is apparently letting them get away with this. I've always wondered, ever since I was a kid fooling around with radios and tape decks and listening to the audio from CIII (a Global TV affiliate that can be recevied on channel 6 in Ottawa), why stereo TV audio does not use the same stereo system as FM stereo? Why is there a different system? They're both FM. > TV sound deviation is much less than FM band, so one has to raise > the volume to compensate. One gets a jolt when you tune back to FM > station, and forget to first lower the volume level. I've noticed that, too. CIII's audio is really low compared to "real" FM stations. What do you mean by "sound deviation"? Does it have to do with the way signal "spreads" over adjacent frequencies? In my car, I can easily and quite clearly pick up CIII's audio at 87.9 MHz even though it's supposed to be at 87.75. Are higher modulation levels being traded for wider spectrum coverage? > >BTW, I am finding an increasing number of CD recordings that have > >the 15.7 kHz pilot tone in their audio! "If You're Gone" by > >Matchbox 20, "Bailamos" by Enrique Iglesias, and "Missing You" by > >Tina Turner are examples of this -- these all have a 15.7 kHz tone > >in the audio, at least during certain parts of the song. Also, the > >classic "Wonderful Tonight" by Eric Clapton was recorded with a > >very prominent 19 kHz tone in the audio! CD recordings? Like MP3s? That would make sense. The ones with 19 kHz may be actually recorded from FM radio, and those with 15.7 kHz may be the audio from the song's video. My brother and I were looking for an MP3 of "Clint Eastwood" by Gorillaz, but most of the ones we found were just recordings from the video. (I could easily tell, because the video has sound effects dubbed over.) > >Nevertheless, VHS Hi-Fi is the highest-fidelity analog audio > >source of all -- on good equipment, the audio frequency response > >(+/- 3 dB) can be some outrageous figure like 4 Hz to 150 kHz!! > Not to mention the Beta Super HiFi format. These specifications > rivaled analog reel-to-reel tape decks. I don't know about frequency response; as far as I can tell, it seems excellent and can faithfully reproduce anything I record on it. However, there are a few serious problems with VHS and Beta Hi-Fi you should be aware of: http://www.unik.no/~robert/hifi/faq/faq-14.html#18 First, the head switching: on some prerecorded tapes, no matter how I adjust the tracking, I still get a low, 60 Hz droning sound. It's pretty quiet, though. The volume compression isn't as much of a problem. There's also the fact that too many VCRs now do not have manual recording level controls. Mine does, thankfully (I would not have bought a VCR without one). Anyway, I don't know about frequency response, but for dynamic range, my JVC double-tape deck with C-type Dolby NR easily beats my Hi-Fi VHS VCR. -- ---------------------- Paul Cumming - paul@bonzaroo.com, paulc@ncf.ca Software Programmer at Bonzaroo.com (613) 738-0260 x217 From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Mon Oct 22 14:40:14 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 22 Oct 2001 21:40:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 76384 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2001 21:40:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.220 with QMQP; 22 Oct 2001 21:40:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.10.47) by mta1 with SMTP; 22 Oct 2001 21:40:06 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.132] by n8.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2001 21:40:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 21:40:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: my letter to Bob at WBZ Message-ID: <9r23nj+4tia@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5872 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 165.230.240.116 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics To: Bob Hess From: Kevin Tekel Hello Bob, I am Kevin Tekel, the person who used to talk about AM Stereo all the time with you on the BP Forum on CompuServe. I now am Sysop of The AM Stereo Forum on Yahoo Groups and one member there shared your response to his inquiry about the (temporary?) demise of AM Stereo at WBZ. I hope you don't mind if I respond to your comments to him. > We are broadcasting with the same power. We are using a brand new > transmitter and we are not currently broadcasting in stereo. The Boston Radio Guide says WBZ uses/used a pair of identical 50kW transmitters and alternated them weekly. Have both been replaced? Or if just one has been replaced, do you still alternate weekly? > We are re-thinking the whole thing and may or may not return to the > air in stereo. Stereo radios are no longer made FYI, both Chrysler and GM have just renewed their contracts with ON Semiconductor to supply them with Motorola C-Quam AM Stereo decoder chips for use in their car radios. So you can expect to see thousands of new domestic cars and trucks to continue to be equipped with AM Stereo in the forthcoming years. > and we feel that, in the suburbs out towards I-495, our signal is > hurt by the stereo. I'm about as "suburban" as you can get -- in New Jersey -- and in the past I was always able receive WBZ clearly and in full AM Stereo DURING THE DAY! And at night WBZ is always the strongest skywave signal on the dial. You don't lie when you say you cover "38 states and Canada". > I have noticed a significant difference driving to my place in > Hopkinton. That is most likely just due to the added efficiency of the new transmitter. As you should know, AM Stereo can be broadcast with the same +125%/-100% modulation as monaural, so there is no coverage loss. And unlike FM Stereo or IBOC DAB (digital), there are no sub-carriers so there is no power "wasted" when mono audio (such as talk programming) is being broadcast. During mono audio, the only difference between AM Stereo and AM mono is the pilot tone, which uses only 4% modulation so the difference is so slight it's negligible. And on the upside, many AM Stereo radios respond to the pilot tone by "opening up" to a wider frequency response, tremendously improving audio quality to the point where many listeners cannot distinguish it from FM. Without the AM Stereo signal, these radios remain in narrow-bandwidth mode for typically "muffled" audio that is especially hard to understand over the road noise of a car. > Also, WBZ will be switching to digital broadcasts in two years and > at that time, AM stereo will go away (digital broadcasting will > provide FM quality stereo on AM but only with a digital receiver). Don't be so sure on any of those counts. First of all, as far as I'm concerned DAB is still "vaporware". They've been talking about it for over a decade, and every year they say it's "only a year or two away". In 1991 they said DAB would be ready by 1993. And now in 2001 they say it will be ready by 2003 -- good luck fellas! As for the actual on-the-air performance of DAB, I refer you to this document: http://www.radio.cbc.ca/radio/digital-radio/labnov.html This research, sponsored by the CBC of Canada, clearly explains many of the shortcomings of DAB on both the AM and FM bands. On AM, the main trouble is having the DAB "subcarriers" in the 5 to 10 kHz range. This will cause tremendous "splatter" to adjacent channels. If two digital signals are next to each other, neither one will be receivable! You can imagine the problems this will cause, especially with skywave at night. (And as the makers of DAB are clear to point out, there is NO guarantee that it will work AT ALL over skywave!) Also, the DAB system demands that analog audio response be limited to 4.5 kHz in order to "make room" for the digital subcarriers. This is what 99.9% of your listeners will be hearing, and compared to the current 10 kHz audio response, 4.5 kHz will make the audio sound like that of a telephone -- very muffled and lifeless. People already complain about poor sound on AM, but the extra "crispness" of audio in the 5 to 10 kHz range helps a lot of improve it, and without that it will sound even worse, to the point where it sounds no better than a RealAudio web audio stream. So, as you can see, *even if* it were ready for full-fledged use tomorrow, there are serious problems with the DAB digital broadcasting system, many of which are inherent with the system and cannot be solved. As a result, use of DAB would reduce the quality of reception and audio to the vast majority of your listeners, while providing its claimed advantages to only a select few who live in ideal reception areas and could afford the expensive new DAB receivers. Meanwhile, AM Stereo is a proven technology that continues to be internationally popular, thanks largely to promotion and support of web sites like www.AMStereoRadio.com. I know I am not the only one who has come to depend on 1030 WBZ for the best in news/talk programming and the best in audio quality. AM Stereo continues to be the highest-performance system for providing improved audio quality on the AM band. In the future, there may be better systems, but until then, why deprive your listeners of the best quality that is currently available? Turning of AM Stereo just because DAB may arrive a couple years from now makes no more sense than a TV station reverting to black & white because they think HDTV will be the next best thing! Thank you for your time and consideration. Kevin Tekel (N2WTO) kevtronics@compuserve.com Broadcasting Professionals Forum member since 1995 Sysop of The AM Stereo Forum: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Mon Oct 22 14:52:58 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 22 Oct 2001 21:52:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 95554 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2001 21:52:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.223 with QMQP; 22 Oct 2001 21:52:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.1.37) by mta1 with SMTP; 22 Oct 2001 21:52:50 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.98] by n18.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2001 21:52:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 21:52:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FMX, etc. Message-ID: <9r24ff+jsep@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <200110221724.NAA00368@freenet10.carleton.ca> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2952 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 165.230.240.116 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > why stereo TV audio does not use the same stereo system as FM > stereo? Why is there a different system? They're both FM. FM Stereo was developed in the late 1950s. TV Stereo was developed in the early 1980s. By that time there had been a tremendous improvement in technology and thus there was a chance to use a much improved system. On many counts, MTS TV Stereo has superior performance and sound quality than MPX FM Stereo. We could change the FM band to use the same system as TV Stereo but then all of our existing FM Stereo radios wouldn't be able to receive it. > What do you mean by "sound deviation"? Does it have to do with the > way signal "spreads" over adjacent frequencies? With AM, loudness = amplitude. With FM, loudness = deviation. The more deviation allowed, the "louder" the signal's audio will be. FM audio has 75 kHz deviation. TV audio is limited to 25 kHz deviation, so thus it sounds quieter on an FM receiver designed for 75 kHz deviation. Two-way FM communications radio, such as police radio, ham radio, etc., uses much narrower signal bandwidths and thus much lower deviation -- only a few kHz. Thus if you try to receive an FM or TV broadcast signal on an communications receiver, the audio will be so distorted you won't be able to understand it, because the signal has many times more deviation than what the receiver is expecting. > CD recordings? Like MP3s? That would make sense. The ones with > 19 kHz may be actually recorded from FM radio, and those with 15.7 > kHz may be the audio from the song's video. No, I mean recordings that are on *official* albums and CDs. These obviously are not recordings of FM or videos so these "pilot tones" must have originated somewhere in the recording studio! The "fake 19 kHz pilot tone" is actually a common problem and I think it is caused somewhere in the microphone system recording studios use because on songs I can see it disappear whenever the singer is not singing and reappear when they start again (i.e. it goes away when their microphone is switched off). > Anyway, I don't know about frequency response, but for dynamic > range, my JVC double-tape deck with C-type Dolby NR easily beats my > Hi-Fi VHS VCR. VHS Hi-Fi audio doesn't use any "noise reduction" because it really doesn't need it. It should have over 80 dB of S/N ratio. Any less than that and it's due to inadequate design of your VCR. The best noise reduction system for cassette tapes was DBX, but it hasn't been used much since the mid-1980s. However, TV Stereo audio has built-in DBX noise reduction in order to improve reception of distant signals (you may notice TV Stereo is nowhere as "noisy" on weak signals as FM Stereo). In the 1980s some "stereo" TVs were sold without the appropriate DBX decoding circuit and these were called "fake stereo" because without DBX decoding TV Stereo is nowhere near as good as it can be. From n0uiheric@aol.com Mon Oct 22 16:26:00 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 22 Oct 2001 23:25:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 67285 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2001 23:25:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by 10.1.1.221 with QMQP; 22 Oct 2001 23:25:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r06.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.102) by mta3 with SMTP; 22 Oct 2001 23:25:57 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.11f.608eb9f (4447) for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 19:25:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <11f.608eb9f.290604fa@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 19:25:46 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FMX, etc. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih On FM, IBOC is an audio version of a fax machine. No matter where you are, YOU CANNOT DECODE THE IBOC SIGNAL ON AN ANALOG FM RECEIVER! We're learning that with DTV. Our present televisions cannot decode the digital signal (both audio and video). And, besides, IBOC radios will cost at least $400. No average American can afford that. Nowhere is the Digital Disaster more widely felt than in St. Louis, MO. Under the IBOC scheme, St. Louis would lose all but one of it's AM stations and all but two of it's non-commercial FM stations. The only AM station that would remain under the IBOC scheme would be KMOX 1120; the only non-commercial FMs left would be KWMU 90.7 and KSIV-FM 91.5. Of the FMs, only the full Class B, C1, C0 and C stations would remain. Within 55 miles of the St. Louis area, the commercial stations that would be victimized by the Digital Disaster include: KNSX 93.3 (Class C2), WFUN-FM 95.5 (Class B1), KFAV 99.9 (Class C3), KFNS-FM 100.7 (Class A), KLPW-FM 101.7 (Class A), KSLQ 104.5 (Class A), KMJM 104.9 (Class B1), and WAOX 105.3 (Class A). Many other communities would LOSE radio service. Thank God those idiots Opie and Anthony haven't made it to St. Louis yet. They should be thrown in jail for their on-air terrorism! Infinity seems to have faulty logic concerning AM Stereo operations. For instance, with more access to AM Stereo technology by GM and DaimlerChrysler, there will be more such receivers on the market. I can't see why the FCC hasn't acted on Scott's receiver standards petition yet, other than the changes at the Commission. We should also write our representatives in Washington, and demand that the L-Band be surrendered by the Pentagon to commercial broadcast interests. You can find the link at http://www.digitaldisaster.org/ 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://members.aol.com/n0uiheric/TurnOffClearChannel.html http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/turnoffclearchannel From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Oct 22 18:37:43 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 23 Oct 2001 01:37:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 71530 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2001 01:37:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.1.223 with QMQP; 23 Oct 2001 01:37:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta2 with SMTP; 23 Oct 2001 01:37:14 -0000 Received: from me (c2m70.dlup.shbtl.means.net [209.105.35.170]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA00937 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:37:02 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004d01c15b64$9b956140$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <9qvo80+jmbr@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WBZ IS MONAURAL Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:46:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Per Chris Cuff it's gone. I had asked about those towers last spring in hopes of being able to snag one or two of them for ham use, but Steve ("Captain") didn't want to let go of them at the time. Probably sentimental reasons? Anyhoo, I'd also like to grab that old Gates Vanguard-2 transmitter, but it wouldn't surprise me if they've retuned it for a standby. ST > BTW, does anyone know if KCJK 1560 is still on the air? I heard it > was shut down for good. I wonder if they are going to take down the > four extra towers that were used for KCJK when it was a directional > station. That's a lot of metal to have up in the air when it's doing > nothing -- plus I can imagine how it might be affecting the radiation > of their main 1630 kHz signal (transmitted from the center tower of > the in-line five tower array). > From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Oct 22 19:04:26 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 23 Oct 2001 02:04:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 19188 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2001 02:04:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2001 02:04:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta2 with SMTP; 23 Oct 2001 02:04:22 -0000 Received: from me (c2m70.dlup.shbtl.means.net [209.105.35.170]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA04906 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 21:04:16 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <008301c15b68$69ef4760$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <200110221724.NAA00368@freenet10.carleton.ca> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FMX, etc. Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 21:14:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude ----- Original Message ----- From: > I've always wondered, ever since I was a kid fooling around with > radios and tape decks and listening to the audio from CIII (a Global TV > affiliate that can be recevied on channel 6 in Ottawa), why stereo TV > audio does not use the same stereo system as FM stereo? Why is there a > different system? They're both FM. > > > TV sound deviation is much less than FM band, so one has to raise > > the volume to compensate. One gets a jolt when you tune back to FM > > station, and forget to first lower the volume level. > > I've noticed that, too. CIII's audio is really low compared to > "real" FM stations. What do you mean by "sound deviation"? Does it > have to do with the way signal "spreads" over adjacent frequencies? Something like that- the audio deviates an FM carrier above and below the unmodulated frequency. The TV audio carrier is allowed only +/- 25KHz whereas standard FM is 75KHz which is why it sounds softer. TV stereo pilot is linked to the horizontal scanning freq. Also the lower pilot helps to contain it within the required bandwidth of the signal. Also, the > > >classic "Wonderful Tonight" by Eric Clapton was recorded with a > > >very prominent 19 kHz tone in the audio! > > CD recordings? Like MP3s? That would make sense. The ones with 19 > kHz may be actually recorded from FM radio, and those with 15.7 kHz may > be the audio from the song's video. Dude- NOBODY records something off of FM and mass sells it. Those would be pirate copies if they were. These were recorded in a studio like everything else. Pilot tones were added for the few mono FM/TV stations out there to trigger the stereo indicator. (But there's a whole lot more to stereo than that!) Actually that could backfire and interfere with the pilot tone of a station that IS stereo. ST From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Oct 22 19:12:50 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 23 Oct 2001 02:12:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 32069 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2001 02:12:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2001 02:12:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta3 with SMTP; 23 Oct 2001 02:12:46 -0000 Received: from me (c2m70.dlup.shbtl.means.net [209.105.35.170]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA06253 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 21:12:41 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <009701c15b69$96eea340$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <9r23nj+4tia@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} my letter to Bob at WBZ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 21:22:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Masterful letter, there, Kev.! I don't usually hear WBZ until the wee hours of the morning when local WCTS has gone to bed. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. <76362.2023@compuserve.com> To: Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 4:40 PM Subject: {AMSF} my letter to Bob at WBZ > To: Bob Hess > From: Kevin Tekel > > Hello Bob, I am Kevin Tekel, the person who used to talk about AM > Stereo all the time with you on the BP Forum on CompuServe. I now am > Sysop of The AM Stereo Forum on Yahoo Groups and one member there > shared your response to his inquiry about the (temporary?) demise of > AM Stereo at WBZ. I hope you don't mind if I respond to your comments > to him. > > > We are broadcasting with the same power. We are using a brand new > > transmitter and we are not currently broadcasting in stereo. > > The Boston Radio Guide says WBZ uses/used a pair of identical 50kW > transmitters and alternated them weekly. Have both been replaced? Or > if just one has been replaced, do you still alternate weekly? > > > We are re-thinking the whole thing and may or may not return to the > > air in stereo. Stereo radios are no longer made > > FYI, both Chrysler and GM have just renewed their contracts with ON > Semiconductor to supply them with Motorola C-Quam AM Stereo decoder > chips for use in their car radios. So you can expect to see thousands > of new domestic cars and trucks to continue to be equipped with AM > Stereo in the forthcoming years. > > > and we feel that, in the suburbs out towards I-495, our signal is > > hurt by the stereo. > > I'm about as "suburban" as you can get -- in New Jersey -- and in the > past I was always able receive WBZ clearly and in full AM Stereo > DURING THE DAY! And at night WBZ is always the strongest skywave > signal on the dial. You don't lie when you say you cover "38 states > and Canada". > > > I have noticed a significant difference driving to my place in > > Hopkinton. > > That is most likely just due to the added efficiency of the new > transmitter. As you should know, AM Stereo can be broadcast with the > same +125%/-100% modulation as monaural, so there is no coverage loss. > And unlike FM Stereo or IBOC DAB (digital), there are no sub-carriers > so there is no power "wasted" when mono audio (such as talk > programming) is being broadcast. During mono audio, the only > difference between AM Stereo and AM mono is the pilot tone, which uses > only 4% modulation so the difference is so slight it's negligible. > And on the upside, many AM Stereo radios respond to the pilot tone by > "opening up" to a wider frequency response, tremendously improving > audio quality to the point where many listeners cannot distinguish it > from FM. Without the AM Stereo signal, these radios remain in > narrow-bandwidth mode for typically "muffled" audio that is especially > hard to understand over the road noise of a car. > > > Also, WBZ will be switching to digital broadcasts in two years and > > at that time, AM stereo will go away (digital broadcasting will > > provide FM quality stereo on AM but only with a digital receiver). > > Don't be so sure on any of those counts. First of all, as far as I'm > concerned DAB is still "vaporware". They've been talking about it for > over a decade, and every year they say it's "only a year or two away". > In 1991 they said DAB would be ready by 1993. And now in 2001 they > say it will be ready by 2003 -- good luck fellas! > > As for the actual on-the-air performance of DAB, I refer you to this > document: > > http://www.radio.cbc.ca/radio/digital-radio/labnov.html > > This research, sponsored by the CBC of Canada, clearly explains many > of the shortcomings of DAB on both the AM and FM bands. On AM, the > main trouble is having the DAB "subcarriers" in the 5 to 10 kHz range. > This will cause tremendous "splatter" to adjacent channels. If two > digital signals are next to each other, neither one will be > receivable! You can imagine the problems this will cause, especially > with skywave at night. (And as the makers of DAB are clear to point > out, there is NO guarantee that it will work AT ALL over skywave!) > > Also, the DAB system demands that analog audio response be limited to > 4.5 kHz in order to "make room" for the digital subcarriers. This is > what 99.9% of your listeners will be hearing, and compared to the > current 10 kHz audio response, 4.5 kHz will make the audio sound like > that of a telephone -- very muffled and lifeless. People already > complain about poor sound on AM, but the extra "crispness" of audio in > the 5 to 10 kHz range helps a lot of improve it, and without that it > will sound even worse, to the point where it sounds no better than a > RealAudio web audio stream. > > So, as you can see, *even if* it were ready for full-fledged use > tomorrow, there are serious problems with the DAB digital broadcasting > system, many of which are inherent with the system and cannot be > solved. As a result, use of DAB would reduce the quality of reception > and audio to the vast majority of your listeners, while providing its > claimed advantages to only a select few who live in ideal reception > areas and could afford the expensive new DAB receivers. Meanwhile, AM > Stereo is a proven technology that continues to be internationally > popular, thanks largely to promotion and support of web sites like > www.AMStereoRadio.com. > > I know I am not the only one who has come to depend on 1030 WBZ for > the best in news/talk programming and the best in audio quality. AM > Stereo continues to be the highest-performance system for providing > improved audio quality on the AM band. In the future, there may be > better systems, but until then, why deprive your listeners of the best > quality that is currently available? Turning of AM Stereo just > because DAB may arrive a couple years from now makes no more sense > than a TV station reverting to black & white because they think HDTV > will be the next best thing! > > Thank you for your time and consideration. > > Kevin Tekel (N2WTO) > > kevtronics@compuserve.com > Broadcasting Professionals Forum member since 1995 > Sysop of The AM Stereo Forum: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From dav259@minerals.csiro.au Tue Oct 23 18:10:50 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@minerals.csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 24 Oct 2001 01:10:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 31824 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2001 01:10:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2001 01:10:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta2 with SMTP; 24 Oct 2001 01:10:46 -0000 Received: from mineng (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29063 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:10:44 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:10:44 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: am stereo advantage site listings Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Hi Kevin Can you please make the following adjustments to the AMS listings ... Replace: 3AK - 1503 AM STEREO Melbourne, Vic, Australia (Full Service) ??? With: 3AK - 1116 AM STEREO Melbourne, Vic, Australia (Talk/Music) ADD!!!: 4BU - 1332 AM STEREO Bundaberg, Qld, Australia (Classic Hits) David McKay sent me a tape of 4BU and it's awesome! thanks Ian - Melbourne From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Tue Oct 23 20:35:17 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 24 Oct 2001 03:35:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 35903 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2001 03:35:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by 10.1.1.224 with QMQP; 24 Oct 2001 03:35:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO siaag1ab.compuserve.com) (149.174.40.4) by mta3 with SMTP; 24 Oct 2001 03:35:16 -0000 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaag1ab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.12) id XAA22954 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 23:35:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 23:34:49 -0400 Subject: a more positive response from WBZ Sender: Kevin Tekel <76362.2023@compuserve.com> To: The AM Stereo Forum Message-ID: <200110232335_MC3-E443-8BD1@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline From: Kevin Tekel <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics My first e-mail to them was an 'innocent' query if their Stereo was 'broken', and I just got this response today....... From: "Manuelian, Mark D" To: "'kevtronics@compuserve.com'" Cc: "Casey, Peter J" Subject: AM Stereo Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 19:46:46 -0400 Kevin, It isn't broken... We have replaced our main transmitter with a newer digital type. It is no small task to set an AM broadcast transmitter for stereo, but we hope to get it done in the next few weeks. The new transmitter is much louder and cleaner and we wanted to get it up and running first. Thanks for your interest! Mark Manuelian Engineering Manager, WBZ Radio =20 From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Tue Oct 23 21:04:44 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 24 Oct 2001 04:04:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 5730 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2001 04:04:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by 10.1.1.222 with QMQP; 24 Oct 2001 04:04:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO siaag1ab.compuserve.com) (149.174.40.4) by mta3 with SMTP; 24 Oct 2001 04:04:42 -0000 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaag1ab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.12) id AAA05133 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 00:04:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 00:04:37 -0400 Subject: Mega update Sender: Kevin Tekel <76362.2023@compuserve.com> To: The AM Stereo Forum Message-ID: <200110240004_MC3-E462-A74C@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline From: Kevin Tekel <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Mega Broadcasting, owners of several AM Stereo stations in my area, has recently made some changes. 900 WEMG (Philadelphia, PA) is now back to its previous call letters of WURD and is currently "stunting" with an automated mix of music (no liners or commercials, just blank space between songs and a quick hourly ID) while they await the arrival of a new format (yet undisclosed). This station is still transmitting AM Stereo (through a stereo Orban Optimod and BE transmitter) although their STL is mono so there won't be any true stereo separation to be heard from WURD for the time being. Meanwhile, Mega's other AM Stereo station in the area, 1310 WSSJ (Camden, NJ) has taken the WEMG call letters and also the former 900 WEMG's format of simulcasting FM sister station 104.9 WEMG-FM with a Spanish music format, although this time in full Stereo separation with excellent sound. Mega is doing this because WEMG-FM is broadcasting from the Jersey shore even though they really want to cover the Philadelphia area, so they employ use of the AM signal (now on 1310) to help cover the Philly area better, where the FM signal is weak and spotty. I am in contact with the engineer for 900 WURD and 1310 WEMG and he is committed to keeping AM Stereo at these stations. He knows 900 would sound a lot better in true Stereo but upgrading to a stereo STL is not in their budget right now. Nevertheless during this 'transition' period he says he might bring a CD player or something right to the transmitter site and run a few true-Stereo broadcasts just for fun. This engineer tells me the *owner* of Mega Broadcasting has a Delco UX-1 in his car and likes listening to the Stereo sound of 1310 WSSJ/WEMG, so we have him "on our side" as well. =20 From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Tue Oct 23 21:17:19 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 24 Oct 2001 04:17:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 5205 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2001 04:17:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2001 04:17:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.1.31) by mta1 with SMTP; 24 Oct 2001 04:17:19 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.104] by n15.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2001 04:17:15 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 04:17:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WBZ is on our side Message-ID: <9r5fcf+648o@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 676 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 165.230.240.116 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I sent another inquiry about AM Stereo to WBZ using an alternate e-mail address, and just got this even more positive response from them: From: "Manuelian, Mark D" To: "'cindy d.'" Subject: RE: stereo at WBZ? Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 11:18:35 -0400 We have installed a new transmitter and have not had a chance to set up the stereo on it. It is a lot more complicated to set up AM stereo than FM stereo. I appreciate your EMail because there are some at the station think AM stereo is worth the effort, I for one agree with you. mark manuelian engineering manager wbz newsradio From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Thu Oct 25 15:20:03 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 25 Oct 2001 22:20:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 43111 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2001 22:20:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.221 with QMQP; 25 Oct 2001 22:20:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.1.31) by mta1 with SMTP; 25 Oct 2001 22:20:02 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.100] by n15.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2001 22:19:57 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 22:20:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WFAN Message-ID: <9ra36i+104r4@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 491 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.15 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I have word that 660 WFAN (New York, NY) is currently working on 'upgrading' their antenna system (which they share with 880 WCBS) during overnight hours, and during this work they are sometimes using a low-power backup transmitter which is probably not Stereo-equipped. So don't panic if you happen to catch WFAN in mono. Also there recently was a 'geomagnetic storm' which has affected skywave propagation so if your AM and Shortwave DX reception is worse than normal that is why. From n1ea@c4.com Thu Oct 25 16:11:30 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: n1ea@c4.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 25 Oct 2001 23:11:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 56882 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2001 23:11:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2001 23:11:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailrelay1.chek.com) (208.197.227.116) by mta3 with SMTP; 25 Oct 2001 23:11:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 7675 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2001 23:11:28 -0000 Received: from whiskas.chek.com (208.197.227.138) by mailrelay1.chek.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2001 23:11:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 3095 invoked by uid 99); 25 Oct 2001 23:07:25 -0000 Date: 25 Oct 2001 23:07:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20011025230725.3094.qmail@whiskas.chek.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-MASSMAIL: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [216.41.31.172] Subject: Re:{AMSF} WFAN From: "David J Ring Jr" WCBS is soooo loud that I hear it daytime here 35 miles SE of Boston - just North of Plymouth, MA. How do you feed two transmitters into one antenna? They have some sort of duplexer that isolates the transmitters? It must be huge. Or do they string up a separate monopole and feed it separately? Inquiring minds want to know!!! 73 David Ring On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 22:20:02 -0000 "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> wrote: >I have word that 660 WFAN (New York, NY) is currently working on >'upgrading' their antenna system (which they share with 880 WCBS) >during overnight hours, and during this work they are sometimes using >a low-power backup transmitter which is probably not Stereo-equipped. >So don't panic if you happen to catch WFAN in mono. > >Also there recently was a 'geomagnetic storm' which has affected >skywave propagation so if your AM and Shortwave DX reception is worse >than normal that is why. > > > >------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -------------------------------------------------- Totally Amazing Search Results - Just C4 Yourself! http://www.C4.com - Total Search Technology From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Oct 25 16:20:17 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 25 Oct 2001 23:20:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 69570 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2001 23:20:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.1.224 with QMQP; 25 Oct 2001 23:20:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2 with SMTP; 25 Oct 2001 23:20:17 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.129]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.6.188) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 19:19:06 -0400 Message-ID: <002301c15dab$0b8f0e40$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <20011025230725.3094.qmail@whiskas.chek.com> Subject: Re: Re:{AMSF} WFAN Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 19:16:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 However they do it, they sure do it right! BOTH stations always sound fantastic. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: David J Ring Jr To: Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 7:07 PM Subject: Re:{AMSF} WFAN > WCBS is soooo loud that I hear it daytime here 35 miles SE of Boston - just North of Plymouth, MA. > > How do you feed two transmitters into one antenna? They have some sort of duplexer that isolates the transmitters? It must be huge. > > Or do they string up a separate monopole and feed it separately? > > Inquiring minds want to know!!! > > 73 > > David Ring From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Thu Oct 25 17:47:41 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 26 Oct 2001 00:47:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 28474 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2001 00:47:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.223 with QMQP; 26 Oct 2001 00:47:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.10.44) by mta1 with SMTP; 26 Oct 2001 00:47:40 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.117] by n5.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2001 00:47:34 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 00:47:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: NorthEast Radio Watch (10/15/2001) Message-ID: <9rabr4+4n8s@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 4404 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.15 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics This is the first of a new feature here in The AM Stereo Forum:=20 excerpts from the NorthEast Radio Watch (a.k.a. NERW), a service by=20 Scott Fybush that provides up-to-date news about radio stations in the=20 northeastern USA. Out of the very detailed reports I will select=20 items relevant to AM Stereo and AM radio in general, as well as other=20 noteworthy items (such as info on how the radio and TV stations=20 formerly located on the World Trade Center are finding new homes to=20 broadcast their signals from). Sorry for the odd formatting but it would be too tedious for me to fix=20 NERW's line wrapping. excerpts from NorthEast Radio Watch: October 15, 2001 by Scott Fybush www.fybush.com NEW YORK is where we start this week's report, with word that=20 the latest round of anthrax scares disrupted things at Clear Channel/Albany Saturday morning. Two envelopes containing=20 a whitish, sticky substance showed up in the station's mail, sending WGY (810 Schenectady) talk host Joe=20 Gallagher to the hospital for a check-up after opening them. Gallagher wasn't hurt, and police think the whole thing was a=20 hoax. (Sign of the times, though: we're seeing job listings that specify e-mail applications only because of delays=20 processing paper mail!)=20 ... New York City's WKTU (103.5 Lake Success) is moving again. One=20 of the four FMs displaced in the World Trade Center collapse, the Clear Channel station was the most fortunate,=20 since it had a fully-functioning auxiliary facility at Four Times Square that was back on the air within moments.=20 But that site is significantly lower than the rest of the=20 market's FMs, and so Clear Channel is looking elsewhere for long-term use. An application filed last week will move WKTU to=20 the ERI master antenna on the Empire State Building, joining more than a dozen other FMs (including fellow WTC=20 refugees WPAT-FM and WNYC-FM) on the city's tallest remaining structure.=20 The engineering study (dated September 12 - they weren't wasting=20 any time!) notes that WKTU will suffer slight additional interference from WBZO (103.1 Bay Shore) and WNNJ-FM (103.7=20 Newton NJ) as a result of the move, an inevitable result of the area's overstuffed FM spectrum.=20 WNYC-FM, meanwhile, says it will cost $4 million to get back up=20 to full power from Empire. It's looking to fellow public radio stations to help, and indeed Minnesota Public Radio has=20 already received special permission from the FCC to do on-air fundraising to benefit WNYC, with other stations expected=20 to follow suit.=20 The TV DX types down that way tell NERW that the city's VHF=20 signals are slowly getting back up to viewable power, with decent pictures being reported on channels 4, 5, 7, 9, 11 and 13=20 from respectable distances.=20 ... Back in Philadelphia, an old Boston voice is coming back east.=20 Jeff Katz, last heard in NERW-land at Boston's WRKO (680), has been hired by Infinity talker WPHT (1210), which is beefing=20 up its local talk lineup in the wake of the demise of WWDB-FM (96.5) last year (and the increased demand for issues=20 talk after September 11). Katz had been out in Las Vegas at KXNT (840 North Las Vegas), where we heard and enjoyed his=20 show at NAB last April.=20 On the Web, fans of the defunct phillyradio.com might want to=20 sample a new offering: www.phillytvradio.com offers many of the same features as Chris Coleman's old site, including=20 station listings, histories and message boards.=20 One NEW JERSEY story this week: Greater Media has named John=20 Ford the station manager at WCTC/WMGQ in New Brunswick. Ford used to be cluster manager for Citadel/Atlantic=20 City. Greater Media also promoted Mike Kazala from GSM to station manager at newly acquired WRAT (95.9=20 Point Pleasant). ... Up in the Bangor (Maine) market, Daniel Priestly has been=20 granted his two applications for new stations in Veazie. The two new AMs will share a tower alongside route 170 north of Eddington,=20 operating on 1340 with 1 kW day and 630 watts night, and on 1400 with 1 kW day and 810 watts night. (The reduced=20 night power, in the case of 1400, is to protect two long-gone AMs in Rivi=E8re-du-Loup and Lac-Megantic, Quebec...)=20 ... That's it for this holiday-shortened week.=20 From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Thu Oct 25 17:56:34 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 26 Oct 2001 00:56:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 30808 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2001 00:56:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.220 with QMQP; 26 Oct 2001 00:56:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.1.41) by mta1 with SMTP; 26 Oct 2001 00:56:33 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.4.81] by n25.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2001 00:56:28 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 00:56:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: NorthEast Radio Watch (10/22/2001) Message-ID: <9racbu+4p82@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 6057 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.15 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Again, sorry for the horrible formatting.... I will have to find a way to clean it up without having to manually edit each line. NorthEast Radio Watch October 22, 2001 By SCOTT FYBUSH www.fybush.com *A short column this week, in part due to a slow week (you don't suppose the nation had something else on its mind, do you?) and in part because we're busy getting the Tower Site 2002 Calendar ready for your holiday enjoyment (more on that in a bit). So what is going on? *In NEW YORK, Clear Channel revealed the list of markets where it will have to spin off stations in order to swallow the Ackerley Media TV cluster it's buying, and it's a longer list than originally anticipated. In Syracuse, all the overlaps of signal between the Syracuse and Utica radio market mean WIXT (Channel 9) actually overlaps no fewer than six Clear Channel AM stations and ten FMs. Within the Syracuse TV "Designated Market Area" (DMA), that number drops to two AMs and five FMs, out of which Clear Channel will have to sell one station. Over in Utica, expect some AMs to get spun, as Clear Channel shrinks the radio cluster that's joining with WUTR (Channel 20) down to six stations from the present ten. In Binghamton, WIVT (Channel 34) joins a radio cluster of two AMs and four FMs, which will have to shrink to four radio stations total to meet the FCC caps. And in Rochester, one station out of Clear Channel's two AM and five FM cluster will have to give way to accomodate WOKR (Channel 13). Of course, this all assumes two things: first, that Clear Channel really intends to keep the TV stations it's buying from Ackerley (which include a big regional group in California and Oregon and a few stations in Washington state and Alaska) and second, that the FCC doesn't revise its ownership caps within the twelve months Clear Channel has requested to make the spins. We'll keep you posted... ... We hear WNEZ (1230 Manchester) has dropped its simulcast of Spanish all-news WNNY (1380 New York) in favor of Spanish-language music. ... Look for CNet Radio to land on WBPS (890 Dedham) beginning November 5; the tech-talk network (currently heard only on KNEW 910 in the San Francisco market) will take over programming 24/7 on the Mega Broadcasting station, putting an end to the "romantica" music now running there as "Amor 890." Moving west, the word from a recent visitor to the WCAT (700 Orange) transmitter site is that the station is indeed silent (and on the verge of losing its license November 1 if it doesn't return.) The old AM tower at the site has been replaced with a fatter communications tower. ... *Just two little notes from CANADA, and they're both AM-to-FM moves: CKBW (1000) in Bridgewater, Nova Scotia gets to move to 98.1 with 32 kW (which means DXers in New England will have an easier time hearing Chicago's WMVP), while up in Quebec, CHVD (1230) Dolbeau-Mistassini moves to 100.3 with 21.4 kW. *That's it for this week...stay tuned (and be patient with us) next week, when, if all goes well, fybush.com will be coming to you from a new, more reliable ISP. Please remember to change any bookmarks that point to our old "world.std.com" address to "fybush.com," the domain that will stay in use as we move from the once-great Software Tool and Die in Brookline, Mass. to the still-pretty-good Pair Networks in Pittsburgh. We hope you'll bear with us as we move to our new host; see you over there! And finally...don't forget to get your order in for the Tower Site 2002 Calendar. This full-color calendar collects some of our favorite images from Tower Site of the Week (and some you haven't seen there yet), along with some historic dates in radio and TV and some fun facts about the sites depicted - and it can be yours for just $15 postpaid (NYS residents add sales tax; US$20 postpaid to Canadian residents). You have only a few more weeks left to get those checks or money orders (payable to Scott Fybush) to 92 Bonnie Brae Avenue, Rochester NY 14618 - and don't delay; we'll only print enough to fill orders received by the end of October! NorthEast Radio Watch is made possible by the generous contributions of our regular readers. If you enjoy NERW, please click here to learn how you can help make continued publication possible. NERW is copyright 2001 by Scott Fybush. From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Thu Oct 25 18:16:11 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 26 Oct 2001 01:16:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 6586 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2001 01:16:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.221 with QMQP; 26 Oct 2001 01:16:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.2.221) by mta1 with SMTP; 26 Oct 2001 01:16:10 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.4.68] by n32.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2001 01:16:10 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 01:16:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WFAN Message-ID: <9radgo+oeg0@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <002301c15dab$0b8f0e40$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2032 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.15 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > However they do it, they sure do it right! BOTH stations always > sound fantastic. > CC The WFAN/WCBS combo tower was actually designed for the wavelength of 880 WCBS, so 660 WFAN is broadcasting with signficantly shorter of a tower than would be optimum for their frequency. Nevertheless, it doesn't seem to hurt their coverage much; in my travels I have found WFAN to be clearly receivable during the day in full Stereo as far away as Harrisburg, PA -- about 150 miles or so -- and of course their nighttime signal is a real blockbuster. The FCC database lists WFAN as "salt water ground", and undoubtedly that helps to improve their signal -- just ask WICC 600 AM Stereo, whose 3 towers are literally right in the water of the Long Island Sound, helping their 1 kW signal to provide almost 200 miles of solid daytime coverage along the coastline of everything from New Jersey to Massachusetts. However, the title of best AM signal in NYC officially goes to 770 WABC. In their "Musicradio 77" days WABC was proud to boast about their signal -- there is 1971 aircheck of Dan Ingram where he comments "I just got some terrible news... I read the ratings and WABC is only the 13th ranked station....... in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania!" BTW, I was surprised to learn that from 1936 to 1944, WABC (then known as WJZ) broadcast from Bound Brook, NJ -- about 2 miles from where I live. They used a 640-foot tower which must have been some sight. Of course it is long gone by now, but I am now curious to know exactly where WABC's tower was in this quiet little town (which unfortunately gained national news coverage in 1999 after having most of its downtown section completely flooded out by Hurricane Floyd). p.s. Despite being listed as an IBOC DAB test station on USA Digital Radio's web site, 880 WCBS is *not* broadcasting IBOC DAB. They are not AM Stereo either (and never have been), but they are broadcasting some of the best mono AM sound I have heard, with full crisp 10 kHz bandwidth. From n1ea@c4.com Thu Oct 25 18:22:01 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: n1ea@c4.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 26 Oct 2001 01:22:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 69170 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2001 01:22:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.1.220 with QMQP; 26 Oct 2001 01:22:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailrelay1.chek.com) (208.197.227.116) by mta2 with SMTP; 26 Oct 2001 01:22:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 21950 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2001 01:22:00 -0000 Received: from fancyfeast.chek.com (208.197.227.100) by mailrelay1.chek.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2001 01:22:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 3147 invoked by uid 99); 26 Oct 2001 01:20:36 -0000 Date: 26 Oct 2001 01:20:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20011026012036.3146.qmail@fancyfeast.chek.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-MASSMAIL: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [216.41.47.69] Subject: Re:{AMSF} Re: WFAN From: "David J Ring Jr" WABC or the other station on 600 kHz is NO comparison to WCBS here south of Boston. WCBS is heard on a portable AM radio here in town - but WABC can only be heard at night. Perhaps WABC is running directional during the day? 73 DR On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 01:16:08 -0000 "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> wrote: However, the title of best AM signal in NYC officially goes to 770 WABC. In their "Musicradio 77" days WABC was proud to boast about their signal -------------------------------------------------- Totally Amazing Search Results - Just C4 Yourself! http://www.C4.com - Total Search Technology From dav259@minerals.csiro.au Thu Oct 25 22:28:44 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@minerals.csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 26 Oct 2001 05:28:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 41279 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2001 05:28:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.1.223 with QMQP; 26 Oct 2001 05:28:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta2 with SMTP; 26 Oct 2001 05:28:42 -0000 Received: from mineng (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24972 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 15:28:40 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 15:28:39 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: Re: NorthEast Radio Watch (10/22/2001) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Fri Oct 26, 2001 12:56 am Kevin T said: > Again, sorry for the horrible formatting.... I will have to find a > way to clean it up without having to manually edit each line. Kevin Try stripmail - it's a sensational freebie ... http://www.dsoft.com.tr/stripmail/index.html Ian From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Oct 26 16:36:26 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 26 Oct 2001 23:36:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 1210 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2001 23:36:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by 10.1.1.224 with QMQP; 26 Oct 2001 23:36:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta3 with SMTP; 26 Oct 2001 23:36:23 -0000 Received: from me (c3m97.dlup.shbtl.means.net [209.105.35.97]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA13071 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 18:36:20 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <006201c15e78$6fc8c680$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20011025230725.3094.qmail@whiskas.chek.com> Subject: Re: Re:{AMSF} WFAN Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 18:46:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Yep, but it's called a diplexer. Between each station's transmitter and the tower are a couple of tuned circuits. In our NYC example, 660's xmtr will have a parallel resonant circuit to block 880, and a series resonant one to short to ground anything that gets by the first tank circuit. The 880 xmtr will have diplexer circuits tuned to 660. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: David J Ring Jr > How do you feed two transmitters into one antenna? They have some sort of duplexer that isolates the transmitters? It must be huge. > From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Oct 26 16:39:34 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 26 Oct 2001 23:39:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 53112 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2001 23:39:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2001 23:39:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta1 with SMTP; 26 Oct 2001 23:39:33 -0000 Received: from me (c3m97.dlup.shbtl.means.net [209.105.35.97]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA13516 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 18:39:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <006e01c15e78$e10e9400$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <9racbu+4p82@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} NorthEast Radio Watch (10/22/2001) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 18:49:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude If you want to post AMS-relevant material, OK. Otherwise I can do without the rest unless I purposely go to NERW (I do have it bookmarked.) ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. <76362.2023@compuserve.com> From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Oct 26 19:36:44 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 27 Oct 2001 02:36:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 40495 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2001 02:36:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 27 Oct 2001 02:36:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta3 with SMTP; 27 Oct 2001 02:36:43 -0000 Received: from me (c3m17.dlup.shbtl.means.net [209.105.35.17]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA03277; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 21:36:35 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002901c15e91$9e9c5940$d3a9fea9@me> To: , Subject: SRF-42 Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 21:46:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those of you looking for an SRF-42, there's one on ebay (sorry I didn't copy the url to click on here.) Thought there might be someone on these lists still looking for one. ST [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Fri Oct 26 21:36:53 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 27 Oct 2001 04:36:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 95219 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2001 04:36:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2001 04:36:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.10.51) by mta1 with SMTP; 27 Oct 2001 04:36:52 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.2.91] by n12.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2001 04:36:52 -0000 Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 04:36:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: SRF-42 Message-ID: <9rddkv+g6ig@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <002901c15e91$9e9c5940$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 881 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.11 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > For those of you looking for an SRF-42, there's one on ebay (sorry > I didn't copy the url to click on here.) Thought there might be > someone on these lists still looking for one. Here it is: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1289165291 BTW, I've heard that the Sony SRF-42 performs better (better sound and reception) when run on 4.5 volts instead of the 3.0 volts supplied by the two AA batteries. This is the same reason why the SRF-A100 has an extra "edge" over the SRF-A1 Walkman -- it uses three batteries (for 4.5V) instead of two. Another SRF-42 tip: If you carefully position the band switch between the AM Mono (narrow bandwidth) and AM Stereo (wide) positions, you get wide-bandwidth Mono sound. Note that its "narrow bandwidth" is only an audio filter, not an actual change of IF filter width, so selectivity does not improve. From 1377.3mp@start.com.au Sun Oct 28 07:18:03 2001 Return-Path: <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Sender: 1377.3mp@start.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 28 Oct 2001 15:18:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 75236 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2001 15:18:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2001 15:18:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.1.41) by mta1 with SMTP; 28 Oct 2001 15:18:02 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 1377.3mp@start.com.au Received: from [10.1.2.51] by n25.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2001 15:17:55 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 15:18:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anyone using a Kiwa Pocket Loop ? Message-ID: <9rh7j8+e8e4@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 546 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 62.64.191.187 From: "Dave" <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan I know I've asked about this loop before though never got much response. Does it work well ? I'm hoping it will cope well with the very crowded MW band here in the UK and Europe at nighttime. The cost of $120 plus postage seems over the top to me for what it is though this is direct from Kiwi Electronics. Perhaps it is cheaper from somewhere else in the US does anyone know ? I know there are others around cheaper but the ability to use this loop up to 23Mhz also and the way the loop colapses interests me. Thanks for any info Dave From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Sun Oct 28 14:02:28 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 28 Oct 2001 22:02:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 50423 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2001 22:02:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.222 with QMQP; 28 Oct 2001 22:02:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.2.221) by mta1 with SMTP; 28 Oct 2001 22:02:27 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.4.66] by n32.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2001 22:02:26 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 22:02:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Anyone using a Kiwa Pocket Loop ? Message-ID: <9rhv9e+np0a@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <9rh7j8+e8e4@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2377 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.68.19 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I don't have the Kiwa loop, but from what I've heard it's supposed to be very good. However, if you haven't already, you might want to try its less expensive competitors, including the Terk AM Advantage, Select-A-Tenna, or the loop sold at Radio Shack (probably "Tandy" in the UK, no?). I have the Terk -- it cost me about U.S. $50 at an electronics store -- and I can say it works very well with any radio that uses an internal ferrite bar for AM reception. It won't do much of anything for radios that do not use a ferrite bar, such as car radios (in use at home) or communications receivers, but for your average AM radio it will work wonders. It won't pull signals out of nowhere, but if you can hear a signal at all, the loop antenna will make it stronger and will also improve selectivity. Here in the USA, the Radio Shack loop costs $29 and I've heard it works well for its price. Like the Terk it also has a jack to connect it directly to a radio with an antenna connection, in addition to "inductive coupling" where you place it next to or on top of a radio. The Select-A-Tenna is more expensive, plus you have to pay extra for the ability of a hard-wired antenna connection, and for the price you pay I am not convinced it really works any better than the Terk. So, you have a lot of choices here besides the Kiwa. I would suggest starting out with the Radio Shack loop, assuming you have a local RS/Tandy store. If it doesn't work as well as you'd like, you can return it and go for a Terk, Select-A-Tenna, or Kiwa loop (in order of increasing price). Kiwa also has their non-"pocket" MW Loop which is supposed to work magic but last time I checked the price was over U.S. $300. Sometimes you can get wonderful results just by stringing up a couple dozen feet of wire in the trees outside (assuming that is possible at your residence), but then of course you have no control over selectivity or directionality. However, you can combine the effects of an outdoor wire antenna and a tuned loop antenna by taking the end of the antenna lead and wrapping it several times around the rim of the loop. That "feeds" its signal into the loop, whose "tuning" knob lets you zero in on a signal for best selectivity, before it gets to your radio. (This is known as a "tuned pre-selector", popular with short-wave radio listeners.) From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Sun Oct 28 14:56:22 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 28 Oct 2001 22:56:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 25078 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2001 22:56:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 28 Oct 2001 22:56:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.1.37) by mta1 with SMTP; 28 Oct 2001 22:56:22 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.97] by n18.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2001 22:56:24 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 22:56:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: holiday pirate stations Message-ID: <9ri2ei+1c71@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1645 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.68.19 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics If you have the chance, be sure to do a good scan of the AM and shortwave bands on Halloween night. Along with Christmas and New Year's, this is a very popular date for unlicensed 'pirate' stations to go on the air and have some fun. Popular spots include the Expanded Band (1610-1710 kHz) and several spots in the shortwave bands including around 6.5 and 7.5 MHz. Who knows, some might even be broadcasting in AM Stereo! I actually heard a pirate station once, but they were on FM... as the story goes, the owner of a small non-commercial station on 89.3 MHz (one of the remaining survirors of when the FCC licensed 10-watt "Class D" stations, which would be called "LPFM" these days) decided to switch frequency and upgrade his station -- without notifying the FCC. He forged a fake "license" and used it to convince the local fire station (where he volunteered) to let him set up his transmitter and makeshift studio there. The station went on the air as "Oldies 104.7, WZVU" and sounded 100% legitimate, including programming 24 hours a day with hourly IDs, paid commercials for local businesses, and the DJs giving out the phone number for requests. They broadcast a Stereo signal although I never heard any true stereo from them. This went on for about a month before the FCC finally caught up with them and shut down the station. Some claim "WZVU" was putting out over 1000 watts but in reality the owner just took the 10-watt transmitter from his old station and tuned it to the new frequency. Somehow he even managed to keep the license for his legitimate station (89.3 WCNJ) which is still on the air. From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Sun Oct 28 16:52:55 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 29 Oct 2001 00:52:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 4191 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2001 00:52:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2001 00:52:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.10.49) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Oct 2001 00:52:53 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.102] by n10.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2001 00:52:53 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 00:52:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Anyone using a Kiwa Pocket Loop ? Message-ID: <9ri993+gorm@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <9ri690+7t4u@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1136 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.68.19 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I will loop out for the loop(s) you mention. Nice pun. :-) Here are some web sites to peruse: http://www.terk.com/radio/product/amadv.html http://www.selectatenna.com/ http://www.kiwa.com/ The link to Radio Shack's web page for their loop antenna is too long to print here, but its catalog number is 15-1853, and the retail price is U.S. $29.99. BTW, I am reminded of the fact that there are a number of commercial AM stations in the U.K. that are equipped for transmitting in C-Quam AM Stereo -- they use American-made transmitters with built-in C-Quam exciters, such as Harris and BE (Broadcast Electronics). I even heard from one station engineer who had the AM Stereo exciter on for a while just to see if it would work. I don't think the government specifically prohibits stations from broadcasting in AM Stereo, but due to the lack of receivers I doubt any AM stations in the British Isles are broadcasting in Stereo on a regular basis, except for that pirate on 1566 kHz in Waterford, Ireland. (Speaking of which, has anybody in our clique ever tried to track down the proprietor of that station?) From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Oct 28 17:54:50 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 29 Oct 2001 01:54:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 18092 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2001 01:54:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2001 01:54:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta3 with SMTP; 29 Oct 2001 01:54:48 -0000 Received: from me (c2m77.dlup.shbtl.means.net [209.105.35.177]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA04475 for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 19:53:45 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <004701c1601c$8cb1d520$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <9ri2ei+1c71@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} holiday pirate stations Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 19:53:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude The most popular SW freq. is 6955-USB. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. <76362.2023@compuserve.com> To: Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 4:56 PM Subject: {AMSF} holiday pirate stations > If you have the chance, be sure to do a good scan of the AM and > shortwave bands on Halloween night. Along with Christmas and New > Year's, this is a very popular date for unlicensed 'pirate' stations > to go on the air and have some fun. Popular spots include the > Expanded Band (1610-1710 kHz) and several spots in the shortwave bands > including around 6.5 and 7.5 MHz. Who knows, some might even be > broadcasting in AM Stereo! > > I actually heard a pirate station once, but they were on FM... as the > story goes, the owner of a small non-commercial station on 89.3 MHz > (one of the remaining survirors of when the FCC licensed 10-watt > "Class D" stations, which would be called "LPFM" these days) decided > to switch frequency and upgrade his station -- without notifying the > FCC. He forged a fake "license" and used it to convince the local > fire station (where he volunteered) to let him set up his transmitter > and makeshift studio there. > > The station went on the air as "Oldies 104.7, WZVU" and sounded 100% > legitimate, including programming 24 hours a day with hourly IDs, > paid commercials for local businesses, and the DJs giving out the > phone number for requests. They broadcast a Stereo signal although I > never heard any true stereo from them. This went on for about a month > before the FCC finally caught up with them and shut down the station. > Some claim "WZVU" was putting out over 1000 watts but in reality the > owner just took the 10-watt transmitter from his old station and tuned > it to the new frequency. Somehow he even managed to keep the license > for his legitimate station (89.3 WCNJ) which is still on the air. > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Oct 28 17:58:38 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 29 Oct 2001 01:58:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 55616 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2001 01:58:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.1.224 with QMQP; 29 Oct 2001 01:58:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta2 with SMTP; 29 Oct 2001 01:58:38 -0000 Received: from me (c2m77.dlup.shbtl.means.net [209.105.35.177]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA05012 for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 19:58:25 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <005401c1601d$340d75e0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <9ri993+gorm@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Anyone using a Kiwa Pocket Loop ? Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 19:58:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I think he's on the other list. That'd be Andy Linton. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. <76362.2023@compuserve.com> I doubt any AM stations in the British > Isles are broadcasting in Stereo on a regular basis, except for that > pirate on 1566 kHz in Waterford, Ireland. (Speaking of which, has > anybody in our clique ever tried to track down the proprietor of that > station?) From 1377.3mp@start.com.au Mon Oct 29 04:14:55 2001 Return-Path: <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Sender: 1377.3mp@start.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 29 Oct 2001 12:14:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 42096 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2001 12:14:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.221 with QMQP; 29 Oct 2001 12:14:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.2.81) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Oct 2001 12:14:55 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 1377.3mp@start.com.au Received: from [10.1.10.102] by n21.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2001 12:13:52 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:14:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Anyone using a Kiwa Pocket Loop ? Message-ID: <9rjh7t+2kpr@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <9ri993+gorm@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1616 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 62.64.191.122 From: "Dave" <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Believe me that was a typo only! I'm going to go for the Turk Advantage loop. One review says about Performance 'in a word, outstanding' I've seen it for $31.95 from http://www.wholesaleadvantage.com/audio_antenna.htm They want $25 shipping though to the UK guess it's stilll a good deal though. Other online shops will not ship to the UK anyway... --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Kevin T." <76362.2023@c...> wrote: > > I will loop out for the loop(s) you mention. > > Nice pun. :-) Here are some web sites to peruse: > > http://www.terk.com/radio/product/amadv.html > > http://www.selectatenna.com/ > > http://www.kiwa.com/ > > The link to Radio Shack's web page for their loop antenna is too long > to print here, but its catalog number is 15-1853, and the retail price > is U.S. $29.99. > > > BTW, I am reminded of the fact that there are a number of commercial > AM stations in the U.K. that are equipped for transmitting in C- Quam > AM Stereo -- they use American-made transmitters with built-in C- Quam > exciters, such as Harris and BE (Broadcast Electronics). I even heard > from one station engineer who had the AM Stereo exciter on for a while > just to see if it would work. I don't think the government > specifically prohibits stations from broadcasting in AM Stereo, but > due to the lack of receivers I doubt any AM stations in the British > Isles are broadcasting in Stereo on a regular basis, except for that > pirate on 1566 kHz in Waterford, Ireland. (Speaking of which, has > anybody in our clique ever tried to track down the proprietor of that > station?) From 1377.3mp@start.com.au Mon Oct 29 04:22:01 2001 Return-Path: <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Sender: 1377.3mp@start.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 29 Oct 2001 12:22:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 71422 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2001 12:22:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.223 with QMQP; 29 Oct 2001 12:22:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.10.42) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Oct 2001 12:22:00 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 1377.3mp@start.com.au Received: from [10.1.2.30] by n3.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2001 12:22:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:21:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Anyone using a Kiwa Pocket Loop ? Message-ID: <9rjhl5+g5h6@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <9rhv9e+np0a@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 187 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 62.64.191.122 From: "Dave" <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Thanks for info Kevin. Tandy here is now nothing like radio shack as it's just another mobile phone shop (don't we have already ?!) I will look out for the loop(s) you mention. Dave From 1377.3mp@start.com.au Mon Oct 29 08:47:49 2001 Return-Path: <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Sender: 1377.3mp@start.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 29 Oct 2001 16:47:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 20453 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2001 16:47:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.221 with QMQP; 29 Oct 2001 16:47:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.10.45) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Oct 2001 16:47:48 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 1377.3mp@start.com.au Received: from [10.1.10.111] by n6.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2001 16:47:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:47:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Anyone using a Kiwa Pocket Loop ? Message-ID: <9rk17k+ka9s@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <9ri993+gorm@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 990 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 62.64.191.187 From: "Dave" <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan > BTW, I am reminded of the fact that there are a number of commercial > AM stations in the U.K. that are equipped for transmitting in C- Quam > AM Stereo -- they use American-made transmitters with built-in C- Quam > exciters, such as Harris and BE (Broadcast Electronics). I even heard > from one station engineer who had the AM Stereo exciter on for a while > just to see if it would work. I don't think the government > specifically prohibits stations from broadcasting in AM Stereo, but > due to the lack of receivers I doubt any AM stations in the British > Isles are broadcasting in Stereo on a regular basis, except for that > pirate on 1566 kHz in Waterford, Ireland. (Speaking of which, has > anybody in our clique ever tried to track down the proprietor of that > station?) What station engineer was this and what commercial sts are equipped do you know ? Do you have any contact details ? You've got me excited now!! (yes pun was intended this time!) From badlhoch@hotmail.com Mon Oct 29 10:28:55 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: badlhoch@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 29 Oct 2001 18:28:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 15235 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2001 18:28:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.1.222 with QMQP; 29 Oct 2001 18:28:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.41) by mta2 with SMTP; 29 Oct 2001 18:28:53 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:28:53 -0800 Received: from 136.1.1.101 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 18:28:52 GMT X-Originating-IP: [136.1.1.101] To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Anyone using a Kiwa Pocket Loop ? Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 13:28:52 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Oct 2001 18:28:53.0262 (UTC) FILETIME=[8FDE9AE0:01C160A7] From: "Bill Adlhoch" i use the pocket loop and am VERY happy with the results with my sony 2010 is cris cuff sstill modifying the 2010's to make then stereo? let me know at badlhoch@hotmail.com ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Anyone using a Kiwa Pocket Loop ? Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 00:52:51 -0000 > I will loop out for the loop(s) you mention. Nice pun. :-) Here are some web sites to peruse: http://www.terk.com/radio/product/amadv.html http://www.selectatenna.com/ http://www.kiwa.com/ The link to Radio Shack's web page for their loop antenna is too long to print here, but its catalog number is 15-1853, and the retail price is U.S. $29.99. BTW, I am reminded of the fact that there are a number of commercial AM stations in the U.K. that are equipped for transmitting in C-Quam AM Stereo -- they use American-made transmitters with built-in C-Quam exciters, such as Harris and BE (Broadcast Electronics). I even heard from one station engineer who had the AM Stereo exciter on for a while just to see if it would work. I don't think the government specifically prohibits stations from broadcasting in AM Stereo, but due to the lack of receivers I doubt any AM stations in the British Isles are broadcasting in Stereo on a regular basis, except for that pirate on 1566 kHz in Waterford, Ireland. (Speaking of which, has anybody in our clique ever tried to track down the proprietor of that station?) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From n0uiheric@aol.com Mon Oct 29 12:19:49 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 29 Oct 2001 20:19:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 91682 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2001 20:19:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2001 20:19:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Oct 2001 20:19:48 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.94.1c188742 (3894) for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:19:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <94.1c188742.290f13e0@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:19:44 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} holiday pirate stations To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih I heard one of these last year. It was called "Happy Hanukkah", and broadcast during the Jewish celebration of light. Their programming included the classic "2,000-Year-Old Man" skit and Jewish music. The station gave a Merlin, ON, Canada maildrop. I have yet to receive a QSL from these guys for last Hanukkah's broadcast. Another holiday pirate is WHYP, which tells holiday stories of the Brownyard family. This is rumored to be run by the family that once ran the old WHYP in North East, PA on 1530 kHz. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://members.aol.com/n0uiheric/TurnOffClearChannel.html http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/turnoffclearchannel From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Mon Oct 29 13:42:42 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 29 Oct 2001 21:42:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 45814 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2001 21:42:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.222 with QMQP; 29 Oct 2001 21:42:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.1.40) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Oct 2001 21:42:41 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.97] by n35.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2001 21:42:41 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 21:42:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Anyone using a Kiwa Pocket Loop ? Message-ID: <9rkigf+rofm@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <9rk17k+ka9s@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 401 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.151 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > What station engineer was this and what commercial sts are equipped > do you know ? Do you have any contact details ? You've got me > excited now!! (yes pun was intended this time!) If I recall correctly, I heard about this in one of the UseNet newsgroups like rec.radio.broadcasting... I will try searching with Deja.com and see if I can find anything, but it was at least a couple years ago. From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Mon Oct 29 13:47:49 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 29 Oct 2001 21:47:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 59071 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2001 21:47:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.1.221 with QMQP; 29 Oct 2001 21:47:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.54) by mta2 with SMTP; 29 Oct 2001 21:47:34 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.108] by n4.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2001 21:47:31 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 21:47:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Anyone using a Kiwa Pocket Loop ? Message-ID: <9rkipf+gdvd@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 473 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.151 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > is cris cuff sstill modifying the 2010's to make then stereo? I'm sure he is... the Sony 2010 is already "half"-equipped for AM Stereo; Sony uses two chips to receive AM Stereo. The first chip decodes the stereo signal and the second chip de-matrixes the audio into Left and Right channels. The 2010 has the first chip (the stereo decoder) and uses it for the synchronous detection. All it needs to receive C-Quam AM Stereo is the addition of the second chip. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Oct 29 13:56:26 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 29 Oct 2001 21:56:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 55930 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2001 21:56:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2001 21:56:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14202.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.144) by mta3 with SMTP; 29 Oct 2001 21:56:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20011029215623.80445.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 13:56:23 PST Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 13:56:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Holiday Pirates To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1004379555.1034.36902.m12@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio There's a Christmas pirate somewhere in the Detroit area on 1200KHz with a damn strong signal - and a fairly clean mono am signal - that plays record albums during the US Thanksgiving and Christmas Holidays. You can definatelty hear the scuff of the neddle at the end of each album side. Old time Bing Xmas LPs and whole sides of Eagles, Motown etc... never a single voice ID whatsoever. Hey guys in Michigan - you heard this one? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Oct 30 18:55:58 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 31 Oct 2001 02:55:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 9208 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2001 02:55:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 31 Oct 2001 02:55:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14201.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.143) by mta3 with SMTP; 31 Oct 2001 02:55:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20011031025556.29680.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.162.18.13] by web14201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 18:55:56 PST Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 18:55:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: CCC make me wanna puke To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Former AM Stereo WSPD just has had a 60 second pre-recorded spot by the Headmaster of Clear Channel Toledo - Andy "the weasel" Stewart who spends one minute of free airtime telling voters in the city who he thinks ought to be mayor. Apparently you can do whatever you want if you're in charge of the station and not offer the other side free airtime, or tell who's paying for your advertisement. In another Clear Channel exclusive...they have petitioned the FCC to ELIMINATE THE RULES TO MAINTAIN A PUBLIC INSPECTION FILE!!!!!!!!!!! (probably due to my barrage of letters to our buddy Andy Stewart that he has NEVER have had the courtesy of a reply). I'm gonna be sick. Turn the AMS back on ClearChannel! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From 1377.3mp@start.com.au Wed Oct 31 09:17:22 2001 Return-Path: <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Sender: 1377.3mp@start.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 31 Oct 2001 17:17:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 60508 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2001 17:17:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 31 Oct 2001 17:17:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.2.221) by mta1 with SMTP; 31 Oct 2001 17:17:21 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 1377.3mp@start.com.au Received: from [10.1.2.23] by n32.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2001 17:17:21 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 17:17:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Anyone using a Kiwa Pocket Loop ? Message-ID: <9rpbmu+htn1@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1934 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 62.64.191.187 From: "Dave" <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Is the 2010 the US cersion of the 2001 in the UK which came out around 1985 ? (not the D version with airband) --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Bill Adlhoch" wrote: > i use the pocket loop and am VERY happy with the results with my sony 2010 > > is cris cuff sstill modifying the 2010's to make then stereo? > > let me know at badlhoch@h... > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@c...> > Reply-To: amstereoforum@y... > To: amstereoforum@y... > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Anyone using a Kiwa Pocket Loop ? > Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 00:52:51 -0000 > > > I will loop out for the loop(s) you mention. > > Nice pun. :-) Here are some web sites to peruse: > > http://www.terk.com/radio/product/amadv.html > > http://www.selectatenna.com/ > > http://www.kiwa.com/ > > The link to Radio Shack's web page for their loop antenna is too long > to print here, but its catalog number is 15-1853, and the retail price > is U.S. $29.99. > > > BTW, I am reminded of the fact that there are a number of commercial > AM stations in the U.K. that are equipped for transmitting in C-Quam > AM Stereo -- they use American-made transmitters with built-in C- Quam > exciters, such as Harris and BE (Broadcast Electronics). I even heard > from one station engineer who had the AM Stereo exciter on for a while > just to see if it would work. I don't think the government > specifically prohibits stations from broadcasting in AM Stereo, but > due to the lack of receivers I doubt any AM stations in the British > Isles are broadcasting in Stereo on a regular basis, except for that > pirate on 1566 kHz in Waterford, Ireland. (Speaking of which, has > anybody in our clique ever tried to track down the proprietor of that > station?) > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Wed Oct 31 18:26:57 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 1 Nov 2001 02:26:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 86725 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2001 02:26:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.220 with QMQP; 1 Nov 2001 02:26:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.10.45) by mta1 with SMTP; 1 Nov 2001 02:26:57 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.2.11] by n6.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2001 02:26:56 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 02:26:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Halloween FM pirate heard! Message-ID: <9rqbtd+6ssb@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 815 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.69.29 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I'm listening to them right now.... "J-Rock, 104.7 WENJ", playing oldies music mixed with audio clips from movies and various DJ chatter. New Jersey has no licensed stations on 104.7 FM, so this is obviously a pirate. I did a quick web search and it turns out "WENJ" dates back to the 1980s and has broadcast on 1620 and 1630 kHz AM in the past. I have not tried listening with a good radio on AM yet but so far the DJ has not mentioned any AM frequencies so I don't think they're FM-only this year. Anybody else hear any pirates -- AM, FM, or even TV? "WENJ" is obviously not divulging much information on the air, so unless others know better, I will just have to wonder where they are broadcasting from and how much power they are using. They do not appear to be broadcasting a Stereo signal. From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Wed Oct 31 19:44:18 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 1 Nov 2001 03:44:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 30945 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2001 03:44:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.222 with QMQP; 1 Nov 2001 03:44:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.10.51) by mta1 with SMTP; 1 Nov 2001 03:44:18 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.2.4] by n12.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2001 03:44:17 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 03:44:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: re: Halloween FM pirate heard! Message-ID: <9rqgeh+11330@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <9rqbtd+6ssb@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 348 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.69.29 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > so I don't think they're FM-only this year. I obviously meant to say I *do* think they're FM-only this year. And, as of 10:40 PM EST, "104.7 WENJ" has just signed off the air, complete with a playing of the national anthem. The DJ identified himself as Jack Beane, the same person known to have operated "WENJ" on the AM band in the past. From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Nov 01 13:12:30 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 1 Nov 2001 21:12:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 18926 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2001 21:12:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 1 Nov 2001 21:12:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2 with SMTP; 1 Nov 2001 21:12:29 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.63]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.6.188) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 16:09:56 -0500 Message-ID: <004801c16319$56a57220$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <9rqgeh+11330@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony ICF2010 Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 16:08:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Bill A asked about converting a Sony ICF2010- I have never tried one, as That particular manual is not in my collection. There is nearly no room for a decoder in there, but it could *probably* be done... I would not make a separate phase shift network, however. It would be too time consuming right now. If someone has a schematic of one of these, I would love to see it. CC From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Nov 01 16:45:02 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 2 Nov 2001 00:45:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 18825 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2001 00:44:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.221 with QMQP; 2 Nov 2001 00:44:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14205.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.151) by mta1 with SMTP; 2 Nov 2001 00:44:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20011102004455.14638.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.209] by web14205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 01 Nov 2001 16:44:55 PST Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 16:44:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: Delco Radio Question To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Please forward to 'oldphones' or anybody that can help answer an automotive radio question: On the 1990 Chevy Trucks that have the AMS/FMS radio there is only a phony 'display' with only the pushbuttons and digital display on/in the dash, while the actual radio RF/AF is in a separate hidden 'radio box'. Question is: if the 'radio box' goes bad, can you just take the faceplate off of a regular Delco AMS/FMS radio and have the ribbon cable from the Truck facplate connect to the a different 'radio box' made from a regular Delco AMS/FMS radio?? Thanks! AMS Rocks! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Nov 02 06:20:01 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 2 Nov 2001 14:20:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 85084 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2001 14:20:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2001 14:20:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14203.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.145) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2001 14:20:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20011102142000.13632.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Nov 2001 06:20:00 PST Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 06:20:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sony 2010 already deocoded? To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I believe that I read somewhere that all you need is to bring out the 2nd audio line to the headphone jack and that all the stereo decoding is already in the radio. Can anybody verify this? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Nov 02 09:04:44 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 2 Nov 2001 17:04:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 30305 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2001 17:04:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2001 17:04:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO host.warwick.net) (204.255.24.254) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2001 17:04:43 -0000 Received: from chris (viruswall2.warwick.net [204.255.24.160]) by host.warwick.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fA2H4fV210812 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 12:04:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001701c163c0$73272360$0501a8c0@warwick.net> To: References: <20011102142000.13632.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony 2010 already deocoded? Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 12:04:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 It is not de-matrixed. it is only L+R and L-R- this is why you would have to add the PSN network. It would be a job! cc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnny Electron" > I believe that I read somewhere that all you need is to bring > out the 2nd audio line to the headphone jack and that all the > stereo decoding is already in the radio. Can anybody verify > this? From jeffdeck@aol.com Sat Nov 03 10:59:38 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 3 Nov 2001 18:59:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 85887 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2001 18:59:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2001 18:59:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d07.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.39) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2001 18:59:38 -0000 Received: from Jeffdeck@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.44.15b26394 (4454); Sat, 3 Nov 2001 13:59:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <44.15b26394.29159893@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 13:59:31 EST Subject: Frequency Response Test To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@nrcdxas.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 I measured the frequency responses of many tuners capable of receiving AM stereo broadcasts. All measurements were conducted at 540kHz with "stereo wide" mode used, where available. Test equipment included sinewave tone generator, Panasonic VP-8253P AM stereo signal generator in C-QuAM format, and 35MHz oscilloscope. Direct tuner antenna connections were used where available; otherwise air coupling via wire antenna was used. NRSC pre-emphasis was not used prior to encoder. Data was collected for all frequencies from 1kHz to 10kHz, in 1kHz increments, except where models exhibited responses beyond 10kHz. Stereo separation was not measured. mVpp = milli-volt peak-to-peak Carver TX-2 Tuner, user modified for AM stereo Stock ceramic filter and MC13028A, circa 1985 1kHz= 400 mVp-p 2kHz= 350 mVp-p 3kHz= 300 mVp-p 4kHz= 200 mVp-p 5kHz= 175 mVp-p 6kHz= 140 mVp-p 7kHz= 120 mVp-p 8kHz= 100 mVp-p 9kHz= 80 mVp-p 10kHz= 60 mVp-p Sony CFD-S22 boombox, user modified for AM stereo Stock ceramic filter and MC13028A, Headphone Jack, mega bass disabled 1kHz= 400 mVp-p 2kHz= 300 mVp-p 3kHz= 200 mVp-p 4kHz= 160 mVp-p 5kHz= 100 mVp-p 6kHz= 60 mVp-p 7kHz= 40 mVp-p 8kHz= 30 mVp-p 9kHz= 20 mVp-p (noise mask) 10kHz= 20 mVp-p (noise mask) Sony SRF-42 AM stereo Walkman, AMAX certfied, circa 1996 Headphone Jack 1kHz= 400 mVp-p 2kHz= 400 mVp-p 3kHz= 400 mVp-p 4kHz= 350 mVp-p 5kHz= 200 mVp-p 6kHz= 130 mVp-p 7kHz= 110 mVp-p 8kHz= 100 mVp-p 9kHz= 100 mVp-p 10kHz= 70 mVp-p Sony SRF-A1 AM stereo Walkman, circa 1986 Headphone Jack 1kHz= 400 mVp-p 2kHz= 400 mVp-p 3kHz= 400 mVp-p 4kHz= 350 mVp-p 5kHz= 275 mVp-p 6kHz= 250 mVp-p 7kHz= 200 mVp-p 8kHz= 200 mVp-p 9kHz= 175 mVp-p 10kHz= 160 mVp-p Teac T-H500 Tuner, user modified for AM stereo using SFG450F ceramic filter, 75uS de-emphasis, MC13028A 1kHz= 400 mVp-p 2kHz= 400 mVp-p 3kHz= 350 mVp-p 4kHz= 275 mVp-p 5kHz= 200 mVp-p 6kHz= 120 mVp-p 7kHz= 80 mVp-p 8kHz= 40 mVp-p 9kHz= 20 mVp-p (noise mask) 10kHz= 20 mVp-p (noise mask) Realistic TM-152 Tuner 1kHz= 400 mVp-p 2kHz= 400 mVp-p 3kHz= 400 mVp-p 4kHz= 325 mVp-p 5kHz= 250 mVp-p 6kHz= 200 mVp-p 7kHz= 140 mVp-p 8kHz= 100 mVp-p 9kHz= 80 mVp-p 10kHz= 60 mVp-p GE Superadio III Portable Radio, 7-2887B with 3044RA data code Headphone Jack, treble tone control at nine o'clock position 1kHz= 400 mVp-p 2kHz= 400 mVp-p 3kHz= 400 mVp-p 4kHz= 400 mVp-p 5kHz= 400 mVp-p 6kHz= 400 mVp-p 7kHz= 400 mVp-p (by rotating tuning knob clockwise) 8kHz= 400 mVp-p (by rotating tuning knob clockwise) 9kHz= 400 mVp-p (by rotating tuning knob clockwise) 10kHz= 400 mVp-p (by rotating tuning knob clockwise) Carver TX-11a Tuner, de-emphasis enabled, wide mode 1kHz= 400 mVp-p 2kHz= 325 mVp-p 3kHz= 275 mVp-p 4kHz= 250 mVp-p 5kHz= 200 mVp-p 6kHz= 200 mVp-p 7kHz= 175 mVp-p 8kHz= 160 mVp-p 9kHz= 60 mVp-p 10kHz= 350 mVp-p 11kHz= 250 mVp-p 12kHz= 190 mVp-p 13kHz= 160 mVp-p 14kHz= 130 mVp-p 15kHz= 120 mVp-p Carver TX-11a Tuner, de-emphasis disabled, wide mode 1kHz= 600 mVp-p 2kHz= 600 mVp-p 3kHz= 620 mVp-p 4kHz= 600 mVp-p 5kHz= 600 mVp-p 6kHz= 550 mVp-p 7kHz= 520 mVp-p 8kHz= 440 mVp-p 9kHz= 120 mVp-p 10kHz= 1000 mVp-p 11kHz= 800 mVp-p 12kHz= 550 mVp-p 13kHz= 400 mVp-p 14kHz= 380 mVp-p 15kHz= 350 mVp-p In conclusion, every tested tuner performed satisfactory. Among all tested models, the Carver TX-11a and GE Super Radio 3 offered the widest frequency responses. With the European board installed, the TX-11a showed response to beyond 15kHz, however it was not flat near the upper end of the band. Audio voltage output increased 3dB at 1kHz when the de-emphasis feature was disabled. By rotating the analog tuning knob clockwise, response was flat to 13kHz with the Super Radio, however the lower frequencies were attenuated. Treble tone control was adjusted to the nine o'clock position for all tests using this model. This model could approach AMAX fidelity with the treble tone control at minimum position. Sony SRF-42 and Realistic TM-152 both showed almost identical frequency response characteristics across the audio band. From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Sat Nov 03 13:37:37 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 3 Nov 2001 21:37:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 58417 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2001 21:37:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2001 21:37:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.74) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2001 21:37:36 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.32] by n24.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2001 21:37:36 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 21:37:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Frequency Response Test Message-ID: <9s1o2r+ptu1@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <44.15b26394.29159893@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4124 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.83.28 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > mVpp = milli-volt peak-to-peak Is there any way to convert this into the dB (decibel) ratings that are normally used? Normally the 0 dB level is referenced to 1 kHz. > Carver TX-11a Tuner, de-emphasis enabled, wide mode {snip} > 8kHz= 160 mVp-p > 9kHz= 60 mVp-p > 10kHz= 350 mVp-p This indicates that your Carver is set for a European 9 kHz whistle filter, as confirmed by the recordings you have contributed. You should investigate changing the filter components so that a proper 10 kHz notch is achieved. > Sony SRF-42 and Realistic TM-152 both showed almost identical > frequency response characteristics across the audio band. In actual use the SRF-42 has a slight peak in response at 5 kHz, which makes it sound "brighter", although with its sharp 10 kHz whistle filter, high treble is noticeably duller than the TM-152, which does not have a whistle filter and has a more gradual drop-off in audio response. With some audio equalization, the TM-152 can easily have reponse that is flat to at least 12 kHz. It also helps to bypass its built-in audio circuitry and use the direct outputs of its MC13020 decoder chip; that gets rid of the TM-152's annoying and pointless low-bass filters, which tend to cut off everything below 80 Hz, producing weak, tinny bass. In my own measurements, using my "Alfredo Lite" AM Stereo transmitter, I have approximated the following response figures: Optimus 12-603A radio (clone of GE Superadio III): ================================================== Wide Mode, treble control at center position: flat to 7000 Hz -3 dB at 7500 Hz -6 dB at 9000 Hz -12 dB at 11000 Hz (meets AMAX specs, except for lack of 10 kHz whistle filter) Wide Mode, treble control at maximum: flat to 10500 Hz -3 dB at 12000 Hz -6 dB at 13000 Hz -12 dB at 14000 Hz (note: this is pretty much the response of what the Alfredo Lite is putting out.) MetroSound AMS 400 tuner (SFG-450F ceramic filter): =================================================== With 75 uS pre-emphasis: -3 dB at 8500 Hz -6 dB at 9300 Hz -12 dB at 10000 Hz (meets AMAX specs) Ando SS-100 AM Stereo walkman (Japanese import, MC13024 chip): ============================================================== With 75 uS pre-emphasis: -3 dB at 5500 Hz -6 dB at 6700 Hz -12 dB at 9000 Hz (note: like the TM-152, it has a very gradual roll-off of response, and with proper equalization can have very nice, crisp sound) Sony SRF-42 (Wide mode): ======================== With 75 uS pre-emphasis: flat to 6000 Hz -3 dB at 6500 Hz -6 dB at 7000 Hz constant -6 dB to 9200 Hz sharp roll-off after 9200 Hz (AMAX specs require at least -25 dB reduction of 10 kHz whistle) Although I did not get exact figures, Philips-Magnavox radios based on the "ECO 5" tuner module have a very broad response, because they do not use any ceramic filters. When rebroadcasting an FM station on my Alfredo transmitter and receiving the resulting AM signal on my Philips-Magnavox boom-box, I could even see the 19 kHz pilot tone in the response graph! Car radios and home stereo system tuners are usually the worst offenders of poor AM audio response. They usually take an already narrow audio response from the AM tuner chip, and pass the AM audio through the FM Stereo decoder chip (!), which adds its own 75 uS de-emphasis, further muffling the sound. An average of twenty different home stereo system tuners (all quite expensive, from about $500 to well over $2000) reviewed in Stereo Review magazine yielded an average AM response of 87 to 2910 Hz, +0/-6 dB. I'm not sure if Stereo Review tests their AM receivers using pre-emphasis or not. On the other hand, when Stereo Review tested the excellent Denon TU-680NAB, they found its response to be as follows: Wide mode: -3 dB at 57 Hz flat from 100 to 8800 Hz -3 dB at 10,000 Hz Narrow mode: -3 dB at 57 Hz flat from 100 to 6500 Hz -3 dB at 7300 Hz Rumour has it, the Denon TU-680NAB is so good that some AM Stereo stations use it as their on-air audio monitor. I have heard the same thing about the Carver TX-11a. From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sat Nov 03 13:45:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29417 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2001 21:45:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2001 21:45:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.71) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2001 21:45:43 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [10.1.2.30] by n21.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2001 21:44:00 -0000 Date: 3 Nov 2001 21:45:39 -0000 Message-ID: <1004823939.104230.3000.w79@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Notify: From: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /Az1210.mp3 Uploaded by : 76362.2023@compuserve.com Description : An example of the excellent AM sound quality of Philips-Magnavox radios with the "ECO 5" tuner module (such as the AZ1210 boom-box this recording was made from). This is from the signal of my "Alfredo Lite" AM Stereo transmitter and has no extra equalization applied -- it sounds that good right out of the box! You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/Az1210.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, 76362.2023@compuserve.com From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Nov 03 14:00:37 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 3 Nov 2001 22:00:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 59257 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2001 22:00:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2001 22:00:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2001 22:00:37 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.71]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.6.188) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2001 16:58:13 -0500 Message-ID: <002301c164b2$64283f00$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <1004823939.104230.3000.w79@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} News Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 16:56:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 A note about the ECO5 module- It is still in use in all the Philips shelf stereos. (But NOT the boomboxes anymore) The new FWR7 and FWR8 systems with built-in CD Recorder have the ECO5 module, and convert beautifully. These units are made in Hungary, with superior quality European made boards. I scored a broken one on ebay for $50.00 and it was only minor shipping damage. You can now burn AM Stereo broadcasts direct to CD! Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: From n1ea@c4.com Sat Nov 03 14:11:30 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: n1ea@c4.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 3 Nov 2001 22:11:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 29183 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2001 22:11:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2001 22:11:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailrelay1.chek.com) (208.197.227.116) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2001 22:11:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 20547 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2001 22:11:28 -0000 Received: from fancyfeast.chek.com (208.197.227.100) by mailrelay1.chek.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2001 22:11:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 1926 invoked by uid 99); 3 Nov 2001 22:09:42 -0000 Date: 3 Nov 2001 22:09:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20011103220942.1925.qmail@fancyfeast.chek.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: jeffdeck@aol.com X-MASSMAIL: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [216.41.72.135] Subject: Re:{AMSF} Frequency Response Test From: "David J Ring Jr" NO - give us the results for being tuned in with the SuperRadio III - being off tuned isn't such a good measurement. I could tune off frequency with many of the other radios, but you didn't. I'd say you probably want the SR3 to come out on top. Let's see how it really fairs. Also between my RS TM-152A and my Sony SRF-42 there is a BIG difference. The SRF-42 has a big big big top end and the RS TM-152A is quite narrow and rather unpleasing. Best Wishes, DR On Sat, 3 Nov 2001 13:59:31 EST jeffdeck@aol.com wrote: I measured the frequency responses of many tuners capable of receiving AM stereo broadcasts. By rotating the analog tuning knob clockwise, response was flat to 13kHz with the Super Radio, however the lower frequencies were attenuated. Treble tone control was adjusted to the nine o'clock position for all tests using this model. This model could approach AMAX fidelity with the treble tone control at minimum position. Sony SRF-42 and Realistic TM-152 both showed almost identical frequency response characteristics across the audio band. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -------------------------------------------------- Totally Amazing Search Results - Just C4 Yourself! http://www.C4.com - Total Search Technology From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Sat Nov 03 14:38:43 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 3 Nov 2001 22:38:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 20865 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2001 22:38:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2001 22:38:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.54) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2001 22:38:42 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.134] by n4.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2001 22:38:42 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 22:38:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: News Message-ID: <9s1rlg+ha3e@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <002301c164b2$64283f00$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 813 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.83.28 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The new FWR7 and FWR8 systems with built-in CD Recorder have the > ECO5 module, and convert beautifully. These units are made in > Hungary, with superior quality European made boards. Do these have any problems with "frequency shifting" causing the stereo decoder to become "fluttery"? My boom-box has this problem, even with a separate 9V power supply for the decoder, but IIRC you said the shelf systems do not have this problem since the tuner board runs at a higher voltage. Another neat thing about Philips-Magnavox stereos is that their radio presets are not "segregated". Out of the 30 presets, you can assign any of them to either AM or FM. So you can set them all to AM, all to FM, or whatever you want. And as you step through the presets, it will hop between AM and FM as appropriate. From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Sat Nov 03 14:45:33 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 3 Nov 2001 22:45:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 39717 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2001 22:45:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2001 22:45:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.73) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2001 22:45:33 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.4.68] by n23.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2001 22:45:32 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 22:45:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re:{AMSF} Frequency Response Test Message-ID: <9s1s27+vrsb@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <20011103220942.1925.qmail@fancyfeast.chek.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 764 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.83.28 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Also between my RS TM-152A and my Sony SRF-42 there is a BIG > difference. The SRF-42 has a big big big top end and the RS TM-152A > is quite narrow and rather unpleasing. Hook your TM-152 to a nice 10-band audio graphic equalizer and it will really come to life. With good treble equalization, it can have a very nice, crisp sound -- clearly superior to that of the SRF-42. However, Radio Shack may have made changes to its design over the years. I have heard some people complain that the TM-152's response is too narrow, while others complain it is too wide! I have some great recordings made on my Realistic TM-152, but unfortunately my current cassette player is on the fritz, and the new cassette deck I obtained from eBay hasn't arrived yet. From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Nov 03 15:15:39 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 3 Nov 2001 23:15:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 27850 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2001 23:15:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2001 23:15:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2001 23:15:38 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.73]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.6.188) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2001 18:13:15 -0500 Message-ID: <001501c164bc$df1e03c0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <9s1rlg+ha3e@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: News Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 18:11:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 The shifting in the Philips system is due to the fact that the chipset uses "fuzzy logic" in their I2C bus. The decoder has to be trimmed to be dead-nuts-on frequency with the IF circuit, else the system hunts for the proper frequency, and if the decoder pll is off from the 450 Khz IF frequency it will drift, "thinking" it is not in tune. This is one case where a 5 to 50 Pf trimmer across the 3.6 Mhz resonator will work wonders. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. <76362.2023@compuserve.com> To: Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 5:38 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: News > Do these have any problems with "frequency shifting" causing the > stereo decoder to become "fluttery"? From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Nov 03 16:19:36 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 4 Nov 2001 00:19:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 17390 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2001 00:19:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2001 00:19:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2001 00:19:34 -0000 Received: from me ([204.221.28.172]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA29809 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2001 18:19:28 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <003101c164c6$6a250dc0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <9s1o2r+ptu1@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Frequency Response Test Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 18:19:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I know that Radio-K uses a Denon. Speaking of which, I should get in touch with their CE again and see what the deal is about returning to stereo. They were still mono last I checked. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. <76362.2023@compuserve.com> > Rumour has it, the Denon TU-680NAB is so good that some AM Stereo > stations use it as their on-air audio monitor. I have heard the same > thing about the Carver TX-11a. From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Sun Nov 04 16:35:49 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 5 Nov 2001 00:35:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 52527 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2001 00:35:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2001 00:35:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.54) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2001 00:35:48 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.4.76] by n4.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2001 00:35:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 00:35:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1000-watt, 800-lb. RCA AM transmitter on eBay Message-ID: <9s4mt4+ith4@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 966 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.41 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I think Scott (old transmitter fanatic) and Chris (Mr. Stereo) should team together, convert this to AM Stereo, and get it on the air: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1292213591 BTW, from time to time, entire AM stations are auctioned on eBay... $50,000 has been known to get you some 500-watt "peanut whistle" station in the middle of nowhere. That would be an interesting proposition for those of you who could afford it... "Hmm, should I get another new Lexus, or should I go for that AM station in Sligo, Pennsylvania?" :-) I actually know of one guy who did this... he bought the license of a 500-watt daytimer that had gone "dark". By that time the studio building and towers were gone, so he rebuilt the station as a 243-watt non-directional signal with the studio in a trailer. He got it on the air the day before the license would have expired, and the first song he played was "They All Laughed" by Frank Sinatra. From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Nov 04 16:56:04 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 5 Nov 2001 00:56:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 77636 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2001 00:56:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2001 00:56:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2001 00:56:03 -0000 Received: from me (c2m5.dlup.shbtl.means.net [209.105.35.105]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA14990 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 18:56:00 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <003d01c16594$b15530c0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <9s4mt4+ith4@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1000-watt, 800-lb. RCA AM transmitter on eBay Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 18:56:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I think this one has already been converted to the ham bands. Not that it would be hard to put it back on the broadcast band. Unfortunately I wouldn't have the time to go to AZ and pick it up even if I could afford it. Spent what few bucks I have on a rusty old pickemup truck to get some transmitters out of offsite storage I've been renting for years. Eventually that truck will pay for itself in the savings, but for now I'm broke. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. <76362.2023@compuserve.com> To: Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 6:35 PM Subject: {AMSF} 1000-watt, 800-lb. RCA AM transmitter on eBay > I think Scott (old transmitter fanatic) and Chris (Mr. Stereo) should > team together, convert this to AM Stereo, and get it on the air: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1292213591 From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Nov 04 16:59:50 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 5 Nov 2001 00:59:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 13283 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2001 00:59:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2001 00:59:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2001 00:59:48 -0000 Received: from me (c2m5.dlup.shbtl.means.net [209.105.35.105]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA15261 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 18:59:40 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <004701c16595$343f9840$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <9s4mt4+ith4@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1000-watt, 800-lb. RCA AM transmitter on eBay Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 19:00:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude BTW- a LOT of these smaller broadcast rigs (250W-1kW) are ending up in the hands of hams, usually for use on 160 and 80m. A few make it up to 40, but that's a lot of work. I rarely find these given away or sold real cheap anymore. Some of the bigger ones (more than one cabinet) can sometimes be had for just hauling them away, but there are very few of them anymore. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. <76362.2023@compuserve.com> > I think Scott (old transmitter fanatic) and Chris (Mr. Stereo) should > team together, convert this to AM Stereo, and get it on the air: From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Sun Nov 04 18:17:01 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 5 Nov 2001 02:17:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 35467 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2001 02:16:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2001 02:16:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.52) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2001 02:16:59 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.2.163] by n2.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2001 02:16:58 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 02:16:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1000-watt, 800-lb. RCA AM transmitter on eBay Message-ID: <9s4sqn+94dv@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <004701c16595$343f9840$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 903 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.41 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > BTW- a LOT of these smaller broadcast rigs (250W-1kW) are ending up > in the hands of hams, usually for use on 160 and 80m. A few make it > up to 40, but that's a lot of work. I rarely find these given away > or sold real cheap anymore. One local 250w daytimer uses a vintage Collins transmitter, circa late '60s. Its pair of audio modulator tubes are the same type as the pair of RF output tubes -- so it also has 250 watts of audio power! If/when they ever replace it with something newer, I'm sure it would make some ham very happy. It has that classic "tube" sound that is hard to find on the AM broadcast band these days -- the modern stuff can certainly be very high-fidelity, but a tube transmitter combined with finely tuned audio processing can give a station a "sonic signature" that makes it stand out from the other stations (and not just by being "the loudest" as on FM). From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Nov 05 01:35:49 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 5 Nov 2001 09:35:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 36576 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2001 09:35:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2001 09:35:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2001 09:35:49 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.26]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.6.188) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 04:33:32 -0500 Message-ID: <00d401c165dc$ac4fb580$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <9s4mt4+ith4@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1000-watt, 800-lb. RCA AM transmitter on eBay Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 04:31:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 800 Pounds? Yikes! And you have to pick it up in AZ? A friend of mine has WLAD's original 1927 RCA 1K transmitter- It takes up an entire wall in his basement. Evil looking thing! Cool built-in modulation scope, and very deadly looking HV stuff.... CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. <76362.2023@compuserve.com> From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Nov 05 17:40:17 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 6 Nov 2001 01:40:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 39977 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2001 01:40:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2001 01:40:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2001 01:40:15 -0000 Received: from me (c3m74.dlup.shbtl.means.net [209.105.35.74]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA12193 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 19:40:08 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <002701c16664$07a80860$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <9s4mt4+ith4@eGroups.com> <00d401c165dc$ac4fb580$0101a8c0@pavilion> Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1000-watt, 800-lb. RCA AM transmitter on eBay Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 19:40:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude 800# is PEANUTS compared to some I've hauled. I've got a late 40's Collins kW that weighs 3400#. Hauling 800# from AZ would be easy; just time consuming. I pulled home a Gates 250T from SE Georgia behind my Dodge Shadow, and it weighed about 800# as well. The trick is to pull out the heavy iron, and just about anything else that can come off it such as doors and side panels. You'd be surprised how easy those can be to move after you've done that. I'd LOVE to see that ancient RCA from WLAD. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher Cuff To: Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 3:31 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1000-watt, 800-lb. RCA AM transmitter on eBay > 800 Pounds? Yikes! And you have to pick it up in AZ? > A friend of mine has WLAD's original 1927 RCA 1K transmitter- It takes up an > entire wall in his basement. Evil looking thing! Cool built-in modulation > scope, and very deadly looking HV stuff.... > CC > From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Mon Nov 05 20:17:59 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 6 Nov 2001 04:17:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 28664 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2001 04:17:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2001 04:17:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO siaar2ab.compuserve.com) (149.174.40.138) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2001 04:17:54 -0000 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaar2ab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) id XAA13330 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 23:17:30 -0500 (EST) Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from kevtronics (mid-tgn-nen-vty36.as.wcom.net [216.192.69.36]) by siaar2ab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) with SMTP id XAA13322 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 23:17:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3BE76453.41FD@compuserve.com> Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 23:17:23 -0500 Organization: complete lack thereof X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Bose Wave Radio parody ad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kevin Tekel <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Despite its high price and lack of AM Stereo, the Wave Radio is actually a very nice piece of equipment, but this parody was too good to pass up! ======== "BOOSE" WAVY RADIO In One Ear ... and Out Your Wallet Department ... the BOOSE Wavy Radio [A MAD Magazine Ad Parody - from the July 1998 issue, #371] HEAR THE RADIO THAT WOKE UP AN ENTIRE INDUSTRY* *to the fact that there are idiots out there willing to spend hundreds of dollars just for a radio! 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Better Sounding Ads Through Research From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Nov 06 15:37:44 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 6 Nov 2001 23:37:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 73859 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2001 23:37:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2001 23:37:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2001 23:37:43 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.150]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.6.188) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 18:35:34 -0500 Message-ID: <008901c1671b$73abc760$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <3BE76453.41FD@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Bose Wave Radio parody ad Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 18:33:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Great Stuff! and so very true!.... cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Tekel <76362.2023@compuserve.com> To: Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 11:17 PM Subject: {AMSF} Bose Wave Radio parody ad From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Tue Nov 06 17:40:12 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 7 Nov 2001 01:40:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 18209 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2001 01:40:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2001 01:40:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.68) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2001 01:40:09 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.2.230] by n18.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2001 01:39:46 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 01:33:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Sony SRF-42 mods Message-ID: <9sa30h+kkqa@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2857 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.176 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I came across this modification for the Sony SRF-42 AM Stereo walkman and it works great. It's actually for the radio's FM band, not AM... If you've ever used the SRF-42 for FM, you know how lousy it is. It only pops into Stereo mode on the strongest signals, and in FM mono mode (which it stays in most of the time), the sound is very muffled. Well, there is a very easy cure for this.... simply remove capacitor C14! This is a tiny chip capacitor so you'll have to be careful but with a small screwdriver you can simply crush the small ceramic chip marked "C14" and then remove the remains. What this does is force the SRF-42 to operate in FM Stereo mode, with full frequency response, all the time, regardless of signal strength. Now it will work great on the FM band -- very good reception and it pops into crisp Stereo even on weak signals. The "Tuning" led remains active and functional. Opening up the SRF-42 to do this mod is actually very easy... simply remove the three screws on the back that have arrows pointing to them, and the front cover pops off, exposing the circuit board. NO need to remove any of the knobs or the power switch -- they can all stay in place. After you're finished, the front cover pops back on easily without any visual indications that you ever had the case open. This mod doesn't affect the SRF-42's AM band in any way... but there are still some tips to improve its performance on AM. First of all, in case you haven't figured it out already, you can get wide-bandwidth Mono mode by carefully positioning the band switch halfway between the "AM Mono" (narrow bandwidth) and AM Stereo modes. (Note that its "narrow bandwidth" mode is simply an audio filter, rather than an IF filter, so selectivity actually isn't improved -- so you might as well just leave it in Wide mode and enjoy the better sound.) Next, it is claimed that the SRF-42 offers better reception and sound quality on AM when run on 4.5 to 5.0 volts DC, rather than the 3.0 volts supplied by the two AA batteries. For this I recommend using an external battery holder with jumper clip leads to connect it to the radio's + and - battery terminals. Avoid AC power adapters as even the best ones will add noise and hum on the AM band. Finally, for the more adventurous, the SRF-42 makes an even better radio when removed from its case. You'll have to desolder or clip off the battery terminals and remove the knobs, but then the circuit board pops out easily. The advantage is that you are left with a tuning "knob" that is substantially larger and smoother in operation than the one provided on the case, so tuning, especially at the top end of the AM band, is much easier. Plus for a free reception boost you can hold your finger on the loopstick antenna bar and use your body as an extra antenna! From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Tue Nov 06 17:47:03 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 7 Nov 2001 01:47:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 71921 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2001 01:47:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2001 01:47:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.68) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2001 01:47:02 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.119] by n18.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2001 01:47:04 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 01:46:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 580 WHP in Stereo? / Oldies moving to AM! Message-ID: <9sa3qj+780i@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2237 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.176 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Today my routine AM band-scan revealed what appeared to be a Stereo pilot coming from Clear Channel-owned talk station 580 WHP in Harrisburg, PA. It was strong, steady, and always repeatable, so it didn't seem to be "falsing". And during my commute today I tuned in WHP during various points in different areas and it always popped into Stereo mode. Can somebody closer to Harrisburg verify whether or not 580 WHP is indeed putting out a Stereo signal? They were all talk programming when I listened so I didn't have a chance to check for stereo separation. Also, over in the Allentown, PA area, it is interesting that after two local AM (mono) stations recently switched to Oldies formats, the powerhouse 50,000-watt FM Oldies station in town has dumped that format and switched to a "classic hits" (i.e. Classic Rock "Lite") format. Perhaps there was too much competition from the two AM oldies stations? And then a couple weeks later, down in the Philadelphia/Trenton,NJ area, the same thing happened -- WURD 900 AM STEREO switched to an Oldies format, joining the long-running oldies on 1260 WBUD (mono), and then 50,000-watt FM Oldies giant 94.5 WNJO switched to another "classic hits" format!! So... is this a trend? Is the infamous "Oldies" format (largely 1960s-based) getting too "old" for FM, and now moving to AM, the same way "Nostalgia/Big Band" has done in just about everywhere in the USA? The largely '70s and '80s-based "Classic Hits" is a logical progression for FM, as now we have 30- and 40-somethings with the '70s and '80s as their "Oldies" music. Even the nation's best-known oldies station, 101.1 WCBS-FM in New York City, has started playing a LOT of 1980s music, and now isn't really calling their format "oldies" anymore... just "the greatest hits of all time". If so, we in for a real treat, as we all know the "Oldies" format is the *best* demonstration of Stereo sound at its finest -- just listen to WREF 850 AM Stereo for an example! And with more music on the AM band, and more people wanting to listen to this music after their local FM stations have dumped Oldies, we will undoubtedly have more interest in AM Stereo, both from stations and from listeners! From n1ea@c4.com Tue Nov 06 20:10:05 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: n1ea@c4.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 7 Nov 2001 04:10:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 71720 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2001 04:10:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2001 04:10:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailrelay1.chek.com) (208.197.227.116) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2001 04:10:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 24466 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2001 04:10:02 -0000 Received: from meowmix.chek.com (208.197.227.10) by mailrelay1.chek.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2001 04:10:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 11149 invoked by uid 99); 7 Nov 2001 04:07:36 -0000 Date: 7 Nov 2001 04:07:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20011107040736.11148.qmail@meowmix.chek.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: 1377.3mp@start.com.au X-MASSMAIL: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [216.41.28.190] Subject: Re:{AMSF} Help needed buying a Terk AM1000 loop From: "David J Ring Jr" You might want to read the articles here. Maybe you can get something from this page. I hear the Quantum Loop is quite good - especially for the money. http://www.hard-core-dx.com/nordicdx/antenna/loop/ 73 David Ring On Wed, 07 Nov 2001 00:35:30 -0000 Dave <1377.3mp@start.com.au> wrote: >This is quite a favour to ask I know but so far the online shops >which stock / sell this item will not shop to the UK. Even one I saw >on ebay US will not do so. > >I've seen this loop going for $29.95 plus at one store only about $7 >to the US. http://www.consumer-direct.com/review.cfm? >vpartno=TERKAM1000&ADD=Y Is there anyone who could buy one of these >and then personaly ship it to me after receiving the total cost of >the loop plus all shipping charges of course > >I need to know the total cost in advance to send. Hopefully asking >someone to send one the shipping charge would be somewhat cheaper. ie >one store said they would send me one sure....plus $50 s & h ??! > >If anyone has another solution please say. These are not sold in the >UK or any variant of... > >(yes I have made a few in the past but never really worked as they >should) > >Thanks >Dave > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -------------------------------------------------- Totally Amazing Search Results - Just C4 Yourself! http://www.C4.com - Total Search Technology From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Tue Nov 06 20:29:31 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 7 Nov 2001 04:29:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 17290 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2001 04:29:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2001 04:29:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.76) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2001 04:29:29 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.2.101] by n26.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2001 04:28:53 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 04:29:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: more fun with SRF-42's Message-ID: <9sadb6+7q65@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1725 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.176 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I finally did that modification to use the "guts" of a Sony SRF-42 as an AM Stereo decoder for another radio... I hooked it up to a Delco car radio and the results are excellent! With the Delco's narrow IF, the sound is not exactly "hi-fi" (and not as good as with the SRF-42 by itself), but it is very neat to have 'forced stereo' on a digital tuning radio... it is very reminiscent of FM Stereo, because the *instant* you tune in the station, you are hearing Stereo -- there's no wait for the Stereo decoder to "lock on". And as expected with the Delco, reception is fabulous -- the whole band is filled with good strong signals with nothing more than a small screwdriver stuck into the antenna jack (and not even my hand touching it!). Once you hook up the wire to the place on the SRF-42's circuit board where the IF input is for its Stereo decoder, you can actually close up its entire case, except for the tuning dial faceplate, which is left out to make room for the wire going to the radio that you are converting. The SRF-42's headphone jack provides the decoded Stereo sound, with volume control and on/off switch just as if you were using the SRF-42 by itself. Instructions on how to do this mod can be found here: http://home.netcom.com/~wa2ise/radios/amstmod.html p.s. There's at least one good use for an old Apple ][ computer these days -- its power supply! I didn't have a good 12V power supply for the Delco, so I went looking through my old useless computer equipment, and thought the PS inside my Apple ][ Plus might be worth a shot... bingo! Perfectly filtered, RF-hash-free DC power, with +5V, +12V, -5V, and -12V outputs. A zillion times better than any "wall-wart"! From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Nov 07 01:27:43 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 7 Nov 2001 09:27:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 52577 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2001 09:27:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2001 09:27:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2001 09:27:40 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.44]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.6.188) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 04:24:31 -0500 Message-ID: <006c01c1676d$de2a60e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <9sa3qj+780i@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} 580 WHP in Stereo? / Oldies moving to AM! Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 04:23:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I read about the switch of oldies to AM in a recent RW paper. It IS a perfect spot for them! Irv Goldstien, owner of WREF and WLAD is proud to tell me that EVERY song on thier playlist is in stereo, if it was available in stereo. cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. <76362.2023@compuserve.com> From 1377.3mp@start.com.au Wed Nov 07 03:22:38 2001 Return-Path: <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Sender: 1377.3mp@start.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 7 Nov 2001 11:22:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 48902 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2001 11:22:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2001 11:22:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.77) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2001 11:22:36 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 1377.3mp@start.com.au Received: from [10.1.10.133] by n27.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2001 11:22:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 11:22:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re:{AMSF} Help needed buying a Terk AM1000 loop Message-ID: <9sb5hp+ilp1@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <20011107040736.11148.qmail@meowmix.chek.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2068 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 62.64.191.122 From: "Dave" <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Tks for info. I actually deleted the post as I thought again what I was asking was ott perhaps. It is only the Terk I was interested in or even the Pocket Loop. Oh well guess I will have to forget all about it. If it was'nt for CC I would'nt have even got a SRF-42. The US just don't seem to like shipping to other countries it seems, even more unliely at the moment also no doubt --- In amstereoforum@y..., "David J Ring Jr" wrote: > You might want to read the articles here. > > Maybe you can get something from this page. > > I hear the Quantum Loop is quite good - especially for the money. > > http://www.hard-core-dx.com/nordicdx/antenna/loop/ > > 73 > > David Ring > > > On Wed, 07 Nov 2001 00:35:30 -0000 Dave <1377.3mp@s...> wrote: > >This is quite a favour to ask I know but so far the online shops > >which stock / sell this item will not shop to the UK. Even one I saw > >on ebay US will not do so. > > > >I've seen this loop going for $29.95 plus at one store only about $7 > >to the US. http://www.consumer-direct.com/review.cfm? > >vpartno=TERKAM1000&ADD=Y Is there anyone who could buy one of these > >and then personaly ship it to me after receiving the total cost of > >the loop plus all shipping charges of course > > > >I need to know the total cost in advance to send. Hopefully asking > >someone to send one the shipping charge would be somewhat cheaper. ie > >one store said they would send me one sure....plus $50 s & h ??! > > > >If anyone has another solution please say. These are not sold in the > >UK or any variant of... > > > >(yes I have made a few in the past but never really worked as they > >should) > > > >Thanks > >Dave > > > > > > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Totally Amazing Search Results - Just C4 Yourself! > > http://www.C4.com - Total Search Technology From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Nov 07 06:52:10 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 7 Nov 2001 14:52:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 36764 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2001 14:52:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2001 14:52:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2001 14:52:09 -0000 Received: from me (c2m10.dlup.shbtl.means.net [209.105.35.110]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA06650 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 08:52:07 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000801c1679b$d7c3a6c0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <9sa3qj+780i@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} 580 WHP in Stereo? / Oldies moving to AM! Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 08:52:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. <76362.2023@compuserve.com> > > So... is this a trend? Is the infamous "Oldies" format (largely > 1960s-based) getting too "old" for FM, and now moving to AM, the same > way "Nostalgia/Big Band" has done in just about everywhere in the USA? Yes, it is. This was recently discussed in an article on oldies radio in Radio World. I can only hope that when the format does move more squarely to the AM band that they don't do the same stale 300 songs that the FM oldies stations typically do, but rather take the hint from oldies web stations and play some more creative hits, too. (Just don't bring back Donny Osmond!) > If so, we in for a real treat, as we all know the "Oldies" format is > the *best* demonstration of Stereo sound at its finest -- just listen > to WREF 850 AM Stereo for an example! And with more music on the AM > band, and more people wanting to listen to this music after their > local FM stations have dumped Oldies, we will undoubtedly have more > interest in AM Stereo, both from stations and from listeners! > I sure hope so. The biggest hurdle we face is getting the radios produced in enough mass quantity to make stations think going AMS is worth the effort. ST From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Wed Nov 07 13:52:16 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 7 Nov 2001 21:52:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 36532 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2001 21:52:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2001 21:52:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.75) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2001 21:52:13 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.99] by n25.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2001 21:51:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 21:52:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 580 WHP in Stereo? / Oldies moving to AM! Message-ID: <9scae9+fhsk@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <000801c1679b$d7c3a6c0$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1334 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.77.43 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I can only hope that when the format does move more squarely to the > AM band that they don't do the same stale 300 songs that the FM > oldies stations typically do, but rather take the hint from oldies > web stations and play some more creative hits, too. This is a problem with pretty much *all* music formats on FM. It's just that with Oldies the narrow playlist is more obvious because there are no new hits being added every few weeks. The problem is that stations usually rely more on a song's chart position than whether it is actually a good song or not. There are some songs that just barely made it into the Top 40 that are absolutely fabulous, while there are Number 1 hits that are musical rubbish. This explains why you're more likely to hear "Seasons In The Sun" by Terry Jacks (aauughh!) than "On The Border" by Al Stewart (which only reached #42 on the chart in 1976). (BTW, a cover version of "Seasons In The Sun" was a #1 hit in Europe in 1999, and I actually like it -- it's a zillion times better than the original!) > (Just don't bring back Donny Osmond!) I don't much care for his music, but I actually did get Donny's autograph in Nashville in 1998. And then in a record store there I found Donny's debut solo album on an 8-track tape (still in the original shrink-wrap) for 25 cents! From n1ea@c4.com Wed Nov 07 17:13:37 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: n1ea@c4.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 8 Nov 2001 01:13:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 24667 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2001 01:13:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2001 01:13:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailrelay1.chek.com) (208.197.227.116) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2001 01:13:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 12617 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2001 01:13:33 -0000 Received: from fancyfeast.chek.com (208.197.227.100) by mailrelay1.chek.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2001 01:13:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 18481 invoked by uid 99); 8 Nov 2001 01:11:37 -0000 Date: 8 Nov 2001 01:11:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20011108011137.18480.qmail@fancyfeast.chek.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-MASSMAIL: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [216.41.30.167] Subject: Re:{AMSF} Help needed buying a Terk AM1000 loop From: "David J Ring Jr" I would be happy to ship a loop to you. I was trying to send you the info on the Quantum Loop because the owner of Quantum would probably be delighted to send it to you. From what I hear the Quantum Loop is worth its weight in gold. It costs about $USD 99.00 - and I am already saving to buy one because my $30.00 loop is good but needs a preamp (like the Quantum has) - so IT WOULD HAVE BEEN MUCH CHEAPER TO HAVE STARTED WITH THE QUANTUM LOOP THAN BUYING THIS $30.00 LOOP. Just a helpful hint. Please take a look at the quantum loop. It is a tilting loop so you can vary the sky angle, and it is rotary, plus it has an amplifier and can be used as a regenerative loop. It might be "too much" money - but you will be delighted. QUANTUM LOOP WEB SITE SAYS HE WILL SHIP INTERNATIONALLY. Here are some more sites: Quantum Loop Manufacturer http://dx-tools.com/index.htm Here are some good articles about the Quantum Loop - and an article about modifying the MFJ Manitoba DX Club Great Antenna Articles http://www.angelfire.com/mb/amandx/index.html Why not contact Gerry and ask him if he would ship to you? On Wed, 07 Nov 2001 11:22:33 -0000 Dave <1377.3mp@start.com.au> wrote: >Tks for info. I actually deleted the post as I thought again what I >was asking was ott perhaps. It is only the Terk I was interested in >or even the Pocket Loop. Oh well guess I will have to forget all >about it. If it was'nt for CC I would'nt have even got a SRF-42. The >US just don't seem to like shipping to other countries it seems, even >more unliely at the moment also no doubt > >--- In amstereoforum@y..., "David J Ring Jr" wrote: >> You might want to read the articles here. >> >> Maybe you can get something from this page. >> >> I hear the Quantum Loop is quite good - especially for the money. >> >> http://www.hard-core-dx.com/nordicdx/antenna/loop/ >> >> 73 >> >> David Ring >> >> >> On Wed, 07 Nov 2001 00:35:30 -0000 Dave <1377.3mp@s...> wrote: >> >This is quite a favour to ask I know but so far the online shops >> >which stock / sell this item will not shop to the UK. Even one I >saw >> >on ebay US will not do so. >> > >> >I've seen this loop going for $29.95 plus at one store only about >$7 >> >to the US. http://www.consumer-direct.com/review.cfm? >> >vpartno=TERKAM1000&ADD=Y Is there anyone who could buy one of >these >> >and then personaly ship it to me after receiving the total cost of >> >the loop plus all shipping charges of course >> > >> >I need to know the total cost in advance to send. Hopefully asking >> >someone to send one the shipping charge would be somewhat cheaper. >ie >> >one store said they would send me one sure....plus $50 s & h ??! >> > >> >If anyone has another solution please say. These are not sold in >the >> >UK or any variant of... >> > >> >(yes I have made a few in the past but never really worked as they >> >should) >> > >> >Thanks >> >Dave >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum >> > >> >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> > >> > >> > >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> >> Totally Amazing Search Results - Just C4 Yourself! >> >> http://www.C4.com - Total Search Technology > > >------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> >FREE COLLEGE MONEY >CLICK HERE to search >600,000 scholarships! >http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/CPMolB/TM >---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -------------------------------------------------- Totally Amazing Search Results - Just C4 Yourself! http://www.C4.com - Total Search Technology From n1ea@c4.com Wed Nov 07 17:19:51 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: n1ea@c4.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 8 Nov 2001 01:19:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 35440 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2001 01:19:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2001 01:19:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailrelay1.chek.com) (208.197.227.116) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2001 01:19:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 16808 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2001 01:19:50 -0000 Received: from ninelives.chek.com (208.197.227.14) by mailrelay1.chek.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2001 01:19:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 8964 invoked by uid 99); 8 Nov 2001 01:19:41 -0000 Date: 8 Nov 2001 01:19:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20011108011941.8963.qmail@ninelives.chek.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-MASSMAIL: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [216.41.30.167] Subject: Bad Posting From: "David J Ring Jr" PLEASE DISREGARD THE PREVIOUS MESSAGE - IT WAS MEANT AS A PRIVATE REPLY TO DAVE. I appologize for the posting to the group. Best Regards, David Ring On 8 Nov 2001 01:11:37 -0000 David J Ring Jr wrote: >I would be happy to ship a loop to you. -------------------------------------------------- Totally Amazing Search Results - Just C4 Yourself! http://www.C4.com - Total Search Technology From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Thu Nov 08 19:08:57 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 9 Nov 2001 03:08:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 37523 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2001 03:08:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2001 03:08:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.72) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2001 03:08:57 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Received: from [10.1.10.93] by n22.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2001 03:08:57 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 03:08:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sony SRF-42 mods Message-ID: <9sfhc6+5pr6@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <9sa30h+kkqa@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3068 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 147.144.66.251 From: "Tom " X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 KT, you're an effing genius! --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Kevin T." <76362.2023@c...> wrote: > I came across this modification for the Sony SRF-42 AM Stereo walkman > and it works great. It's actually for the radio's FM band, not AM... > > If you've ever used the SRF-42 for FM, you know how lousy it is. It > only pops into Stereo mode on the strongest signals, and in FM mono > mode (which it stays in most of the time), the sound is very muffled. > > Well, there is a very easy cure for this.... simply remove capacitor > C14! This is a tiny chip capacitor so you'll have to be careful but > with a small screwdriver you can simply crush the small ceramic chip > marked "C14" and then remove the remains. > > What this does is force the SRF-42 to operate in FM Stereo mode, with > full frequency response, all the time, regardless of signal strength. > Now it will work great on the FM band -- very good reception and it > pops into crisp Stereo even on weak signals. The "Tuning" led remains > active and functional. > > Opening up the SRF-42 to do this mod is actually very easy... simply > remove the three screws on the back that have arrows pointing to them, > and the front cover pops off, exposing the circuit board. NO need to > remove any of the knobs or the power switch -- they can all stay in > place. After you're finished, the front cover pops back on easily > without any visual indications that you ever had the case open. > > This mod doesn't affect the SRF-42's AM band in any way... but there > are still some tips to improve its performance on AM. First of all, > in case you haven't figured it out already, you can get wide-bandwidth > Mono mode by carefully positioning the band switch halfway between the > "AM Mono" (narrow bandwidth) and AM Stereo modes. (Note that its > "narrow bandwidth" mode is simply an audio filter, rather than an IF > filter, so selectivity actually isn't improved -- so you might as well > just leave it in Wide mode and enjoy the better sound.) > > Next, it is claimed that the SRF-42 offers better reception and sound > quality on AM when run on 4.5 to 5.0 volts DC, rather than the 3.0 > volts supplied by the two AA batteries. For this I recommend using an > external battery holder with jumper clip leads to connect it to the > radio's + and - battery terminals. Avoid AC power adapters as even > the best ones will add noise and hum on the AM band. > > Finally, for the more adventurous, the SRF-42 makes an even better > radio when removed from its case. You'll have to desolder or clip off > the battery terminals and remove the knobs, but then the circuit board > pops out easily. The advantage is that you are left with a tuning > "knob" that is substantially larger and smoother in operation than the > one provided on the case, so tuning, especially at the top end of the > AM band, is much easier. Plus for a free reception boost you can hold > your finger on the loopstick antenna bar and use your body as an extra > antenna! From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Thu Nov 08 20:53:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 82102 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2001 04:53:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2001 04:53:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.78) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2001 04:53:57 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [10.1.10.64] by n28.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2001 04:53:56 -0000 Date: 9 Nov 2001 04:53:56 -0000 Message-ID: <1005281636.216733.69941.w9@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Notify: From: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /Staycomp.mp3 Uploaded by : 76362.2023@compuserve.com Description : An audio comparison between AM mono and AM Stereo. The audio clip is first played as it sounds on a regular mono AM radio, then replayed as it sounds on an AMAX high-fidelity AM Stereo radio. You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/Staycomp.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, 76362.2023@compuserve.com From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Fri Nov 09 14:09:59 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 9 Nov 2001 22:09:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 48860 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2001 22:09:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2001 22:09:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.73) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2001 22:09:58 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.2.211] by n23.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2001 22:09:57 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 22:09:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: MP3 management Message-ID: <9shk7h+194d@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1033 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.31 X-eGroups-Announce: yes From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics In order to increase availability, MP3 recordings of AM Stereo stations that are posted to the Files section of this Forum will now automatically be transferred to The AM Stereo Advantage web site, which can be accessed at: http://www.geocities.com/amstereoexp/ That way everybody can have access to these recordings, not just people who happen to be a member of this Forum. For those of you who have MP3 files to contribute, the easiest way to do so would be to upload them to the Files section of this Forum, and then I will transfer them to the web site. If possible it would be helpful to include basic information about the recording, such as what station is featured, what receiver was used, and roughly what date the recording was made. Also, feel free to use other file encoding systems, like RealAudio, Ogg Vorbis, MPEG Plus, etc. MP3 is the most popular but it isn't necessarily the best to use for every recording. Just avoid Yamaha's "VQF" format as it reduces stereo separation to a pathetic 6 dB! From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Fri Nov 09 14:42:58 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 9 Nov 2001 22:42:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 73856 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2001 22:42:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2001 22:42:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.75) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2001 22:42:57 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.110] by n25.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2001 22:42:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 22:42:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: IBOC test on 1660 kHz in Ohio Message-ID: <9shm4m+rl9r@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 859 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.31 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Anybody else hearing this? (see message below) Lucent Technologies has an FCC "experimental station" license to operate IBOC test broadcasts on 1700 kHz in my own town (Warren, NJ), although I've never heard anything from them. ==================================================================== Subject: Digital Broadcasting? 1660 kHz Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 16:00:53 GMT From: Ron Hardin Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave, alt.radio.broadcasting There's a loud noise-like station on 1660 kHz audible in Central Ohio, that I suspect is digital broadcasting from Cincinnati WD2XAM, anyway the bearing is right for it. It pretty much takes out WQSN 1660 from Kalamazoo, competing extended band signals I guess. -- Ron Hardin rhhardin@mindspring.com ==================================================================== From jeffdeck@aol.com Fri Nov 09 15:12:37 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 9 Nov 2001 23:12:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 82926 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2001 23:12:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2001 23:12:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.55) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2001 23:12:36 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jeffdeck@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.134] by n5.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2001 23:12:34 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 23:12:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC test on 1660 kHz in Ohio Message-ID: <9shnt1+8bbs@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <9shm4m+rl9r@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1323 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 205.188.200.157 From: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 I am receiving WQSN at the moment (1811 EST) in central Ohio in C-QuAM stereo. Under WQSN is another station providing the weather report of 79 degrees tomorrow! I had received the IBOC test two years ago with a monaural barker channel. Ron Hardin has a rather large receiving antenna farm; he is a Don Imus fan, and he can receive WXYT from Detroit to central Ohio. Kevin, why is your latest AZ1210 file in monaural? WBZ is still in monophonic. 73, Jeff In a message dated 11/9/2001 5:44:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, Kevin writes: >Anybody else hearing this? (see message below) > >Lucent Technologies has an FCC "experimental station" license to >operate IBOC test broadcasts on 1700 kHz in my own town (Warren, NJ), >although I've never heard anything from them. > >==================================================================== > >Subject: Digital Broadcasting? 1660 kHz >Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 16:00:53 GMT >From: Ron Hardin >Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave, alt.radio.broadcasting > >There's a loud noise-like station on 1660 kHz audible in Central >Ohio, that I suspect is digital broadcasting from Cincinnati WD2XAM, >anyway the bearing is right for it. > >It pretty much takes out WQSN 1660 from Kalamazoo, competing >extended band signals I guess. From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Fri Nov 09 15:38:53 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 9 Nov 2001 23:38:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 57434 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2001 23:38:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2001 23:38:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.52) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2001 23:38:52 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.4.81] by n2.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2001 23:38:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 23:38:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC test on 1660 kHz in Ohio Message-ID: <9shpeb+t6nl@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <9shnt1+8bbs@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 645 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.31 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I am receiving WQSN at the moment (1811 EST) in central Ohio in > C-QuAM stereo. Under WQSN is another station providing the weather > report of 79 degrees tomorrow! I have local WWRU (Elizabeth, NJ) on 1660, but sometimes there is another station in the background at night that trips 1660 into Stereo, probably WQSN. I also heard the DX test of 1660 WMIB in Florida when they were running 10,000 watts of AM Stereo. > Kevin, why is your latest AZ1210 file in monaural? Because the Philips-Magnavox radios do not come with AM Stereo, and I was just trying to show the great audio quality they have on AM without any modifications. From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Fri Nov 09 16:00:53 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 10 Nov 2001 00:00:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 68840 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2001 00:00:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2001 00:00:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.52) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2001 00:00:51 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.107] by n2.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2001 00:00:50 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 00:00:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 580 WHP in Stereo Message-ID: <9shqni+7d8i@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 270 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.31 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics For the fourth day in a row I have been getting an AM Stereo pilot tone from 580 WHP (Harrisburg, PA). So either somebody is playing tricks, or it looks like we have another Clear Channel-owned AM Stereo station to add to the list (joining 960 KABL and 1670 WRNC). From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Nov 09 16:29:07 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 10 Nov 2001 00:29:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 51216 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2001 00:29:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2001 00:29:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.127) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2001 00:29:06 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 16:29:06 -0800 Received: from 209.240.222.130 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 00:29:06 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.240.222.130] To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@nrcdxas.org Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC test on 1660 kHz in Ohio Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 00:29:06 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Nov 2001 00:29:06.0588 (UTC) FILETIME=[B4F5ADC0:01C1697E] From: "Donn Tillman" ----Original Message Follows---- Jeff, that 1660 you heard under WQSN was most likely 1660 out of Marco Island(FL); it certainly fits as far as the forecast; highs here have been mid 70's to lower 80's for the last 10 days. 1660-Marco is now syndicated news at night and a mixture of news and syndicated talk during the day, with break ins for the local waather. They are now in mono, but with a stereo pilot. (was music in am-stereo until a few months ago. donn st petersburg,fl From: jeffdeck@aol.com Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC test on 1660 kHz in Ohio Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 23:12:33 -0000 I am receiving WQSN at the moment (1811 EST) in central Ohio in C-QuAM stereo. Under WQSN is another station providing the weather report of 79 degrees tomorrow! I had received the IBOC test two years ago with a monaural barker channel. Ron Hardin has a rather large receiving antenna farm; he is a Don Imus fan, and he can receive WXYT from Detroit to central Ohio. Kevin, why is your latest AZ1210 file in monaural? WBZ is still in monophonic. 73, Jeff >==================================================================== _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From jeffdeck@aol.com Fri Nov 09 16:35:34 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 10 Nov 2001 00:35:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 99579 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2001 00:35:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2001 00:35:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.55) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2001 00:35:33 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jeffdeck@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.134] by n5.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2001 00:35:33 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 00:35:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WJNZ Message-ID: <9shsoi+vju1@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <9shqni+7d8i@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2130 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 64.12.102.179 From: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 I added WJNZ MP3 to the files section. Now I hear WTIR "Traveler's Information Radio" over WJNZ and I could not hear WMIB on 10kW! >I have local WWRU (Elizabeth, NJ) on 1660, but sometimes there is >another station in the background at night that trips 1660 into >Stereo, probably WQSN. I also heard the DX test of 1660 WMIB in >Florida when they were running 10,000 watts of AM Stereo. I attemnpted to log WMIB several times during their night DX tests, however WQSN was too strong to hear WMIB in central Ohio. >No, all analog TV will go away, but digital tv will continue in the >current channel 2-60 range, (that might actually be 59), and most >stations that currently have analog at say channel 4 and their >digital is currently at 37 will go back to 4. No matter what, if >the original or digital is above 60, they will have to move the >permanent digital to something below 60. Regarding the post about American digital television, the last news article that I read on this subject stated that the new digital band will be from VHF channel 7 to UHF channel 51. I recall that the FCC did allow a few exceptions, such as in Chicago, for the low band VHF analog assignments to remain on this band for their digital TV assignments. All current analog TV channels, including translators and LPTV, would need to move from channels 52 ~ 69 to the lower channels. Indeed, nearly all LPTV in central Ohio has moved. LPTV will not receive digital assignment and must relocate if digital full-power station is assigned to their channel. Recent auroral conditions have allowed some very interesting reception loggings. For instance, I received an unidentified syndicated truck driving show on 10/30 on 1130kHz followed by another station that aired Fox sports. On 710kHz, I received unidentified station on 10/30 from Cuba or south America. And, KCTA signed on at 0530 EST and obliterated monaural WBZ in central Ohio. WFAN was using reduced power overnight, as they were late arrival a few hours prior to local sunrise. I also received Spanish-speaking station on 10/31/01 on 1180kHz. 73, Jeff From jeffdeck@aol.com Fri Nov 09 16:46:46 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 10 Nov 2001 00:46:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 62178 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2001 00:46:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2001 00:46:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.85) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2001 00:46:45 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jeffdeck@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.31] by n35.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2001 00:46:45 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 00:46:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC test on 1660 kHz in Ohio Message-ID: <9shtdh+hvun@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 663 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 64.12.102.179 From: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 So I finally received WMIB? I am going to count it as such, since WTIR is arriving here thanks to my large ionosphere mirror. Thanks, Donn! In a message dated 11/9/2001 7:31:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, Donn writes: >Jeff, that 1660 you heard under WQSN was most likely 1660 out of >Marco Island(FL); it certainly fits as far as the forecast; highs >here have been mid 70's to lower 80's for the last 10 days. > >1660-Marco is now syndicated news at night and a mixture of news and >syndicated talk during the day, with break ins for the local waather. > >They are now in mono, but with a stereo pilot. (was music in am- >stereo until a few months ago. From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Fri Nov 09 17:08:33 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 10 Nov 2001 01:08:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 2786 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2001 01:08:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2001 01:08:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.70) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2001 01:08:32 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.121] by n20.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2001 01:06:24 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 01:08:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WJNZ Message-ID: <9shuma+ta5d@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <9shsoi+vju1@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1165 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.31 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > article that I read on this subject stated that the new digital band > will be from VHF channel 7 to UHF channel 51. The LPFM fanatics keep hoping that when digital TV arrives, Channel 6 will be retired from TV service and the resulting free space of 82 to 88 MHz will be allocated to LPFM radio. What they fail to realise is that if this space was allocated to *AM* radio broadcasting, they could easily fit in four times as many stations, while still having a nice wide 50 kHz channel bandwidth for up to 25 kHz of audio frequency response with NO "splatter" to adjacent channels! > On 710kHz, I received unidentified station on 10/30 from Cuba or > south America. Could be 710 WAQI from Miami, FL. 50,000 watts full-time. Whenever local 710 WOR (NYC) is off the air for transmitter maintenance, I hear WAQI pretty strongly. > I also received Spanish-speaking station on 10/31/01 on 1180kHz. Probably VOA's Radio Marti with 50,000 watts in Florida, although they aim most of their signal towards Cuba. However, Cuba has been known to try to "jam" Marti with their own transmitter(s) on 1180, so you could have been hearing either of these. From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Fri Nov 09 17:14:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 68228 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2001 01:14:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2001 01:14:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.81) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2001 01:14:09 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [10.1.10.111] by n31.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2001 01:14:08 -0000 Date: 10 Nov 2001 01:14:04 -0000 Message-ID: <1005354844.497717.8611.w33@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Notify: From: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /WRNC.mp3 Uploaded by : jeffdeck@aol.com Description : WRNC "Cat Country 96" with sound from just left channel. Recorded 11/09/01 from AM stereo Carver TX-2 in central Ohio. You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/WRNC.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, jeffdeck@aol.com From jeffdeck@aol.com Fri Nov 09 17:32:37 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 10 Nov 2001 01:32:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 38526 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2001 01:32:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2001 01:32:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.62) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2001 01:32:36 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jeffdeck@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.101] by n12.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2001 01:32:36 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 01:32:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WMIB Message-ID: <9si03h+ik9f@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 166 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 64.12.102.179 From: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 "The news station. Southwest Florida's leader. Newsradio 1660" Cool! They are running news. Wish we had that nice weather now in central Ohio. Thanks, Donn! From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Sat Nov 10 11:58:29 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 10 Nov 2001 19:58:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 66996 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2001 19:58:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2001 19:58:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.74) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2001 19:58:28 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.4.77] by n24.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2001 19:58:28 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 19:58:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WMIB Message-ID: <9sk0su+khdt@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <9si03h+ik9f@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 542 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.82.30 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > "The news station. Southwest Florida's leader. Newsradio 1660" > Cool! They are running news. Wish we had that nice weather now > in central Ohio. Thanks, Donn! Recent DX conditions seem to be favourable towards the south. Last night on 950 kHz I heard "Radio Reloj" from Cuba underneath WPEN 950 AM Stereo from Philadelphia. Radio Reloj means "Clock Radio" and the format is Spanish-language news accompanied by second 'ticks' and a Morse code ID at the start of every minute. Obviously this makes it very easy to identify! From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Sat Nov 10 14:24:37 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 10 Nov 2001 22:24:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 80121 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2001 22:24:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2001 22:24:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.77) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2001 22:24:36 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.28] by n27.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2001 22:24:36 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 22:24:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: "Bryan's World" Message-ID: <9sk9ev+26u1@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 335 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.82.30 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics This is odd.... look what Bryan has done with the old AM Stereo group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereo The AM Stereo message archives *are* still there, but you need to be a member to access them, and with only 2 members listed, it doesn't look like Bryan is letting anyone in except himself and his imaginary friend... From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Nov 10 15:40:43 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 10 Nov 2001 23:40:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 17943 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2001 23:40:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2001 23:40:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2001 23:40:42 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.62]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.6.188) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 18:37:39 -0500 Message-ID: <002e01c16a40$868b1e80$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <9sk9ev+26u1@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Bryan's World" Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 18:36:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Heh heh.. they are both him. He had 2 email addresses for his own list- one at work, one at home. cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. <76362.2023@compuserve.com> To: Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 5:24 PM Subject: {AMSF} "Bryan's World" with only 2 members listed, it doesn't look > like Bryan is letting anyone in except himself and his imaginary > friend... From jeffdeck@aol.com Sun Nov 11 04:25:02 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 11 Nov 2001 12:25:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 60721 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2001 12:25:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2001 12:25:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m09.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.164) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2001 12:25:01 -0000 Received: from Jeffdeck@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.67.1ca9bf14 (4420); Sun, 11 Nov 2001 07:24:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <67.1ca9bf14.291fc817@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 07:24:55 EST Subject: Re: 560 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@nrcdxas.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Alex, When I visited Michigan last month, WLLZ was transmitting C-QuAM (daytime only) from their Monroe site. Their night monaural transmitter is located at the Greater Mo Tower in Royal Oak Township, Michigan. Cris Alexander explained this in one of the (now archived) AM stereo posts. I visited the Mo Tower site in 1995. My last employer has transmitter equipment in place at this location. WLLZ calls originated from 98.7MHz in Detroit in September 1979. I remember their initial promotion very well; WLLZ provided "on the spot" $1K to anyone caught listening to their station. One needed a "Wheelz" bumper sticker plastered on his or her vehicle. That PBS simulcast show was named "The Beat" and hosted by Doug Podell. "The Beat" showcased rock music videos. Thanks for the trivia question, Alex! Welcome back to the AM stereo lists. Does anyone have an Aiwa CR-DS805 for sale or trade? Thanks! Incidentally, WHLY "Radio Hollywood" South Bend, Indiana changed to the ESPN sports format and dropped C-QuAM stereo. Their new calls will be WJVA. I understand that the ESPN feed from the bird is monaural. WQSN "Sporting News Radio" transmits the C-QuAM pilot tone. AM reception conditions were again favoring Cuba and Florida. Ex-clear channel AM stations in New York, Chicago, Philadelphia, Boston, and other cities were noticably weak this morning in central Ohio. Per my transmitter engineer counterpart, who worked at a very large major UHF broadcast station in Detroit, it was common practice for this station to slightly accelerate the speed of movies played on VTR (there was a speed control on the decks, and it would be set to 3%). Regarding David Ring's reply to my frequency response post, I was not putting the GE Superadio 3 on a pedestal. Its response started to drop at 7kHz, but it was still one of the best in tests. Every tested radio was fed a sinewave from 1kHz to 10kHz (or beyond, depending on response). There will be subjective opinions regarding the fidelity between units, and the SRF-42 and TM-152 do not "sound" equal. Carver's TX-11a actually uses many operational amplifiers in the path from the MC13020 detected audio outputs. There are 25Hz and 10kHz notches in place; several active stages also amplify beyond 10kHz to counteract an AM transmitter's NRSC-2 audio attenuation >10kHz. My tests also showed that not all I.F strips are equal when presented phase modulated stereo signals. For instance, those three-legged SFU ceramic filters presented I.M and frequency distortions to the detected stereo sinewaves at 100% modulation. http://www.stereoam.com/order.htm From the page above, you can order Yamaha TX-492 for $335 with AM stereo and 10kHz spacing! Does anyone know its performance? 73, Jeff In a message dated 11/10/2001 12:39:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, Alex K writes: >That's Crawford Broadcasting's WLLZ in Monroe, MI you're hearing on 560 AM. >They have a daytime power of 500 watts but a nighttime power of only 14 >watts. For those interested, they also broadcast in AM Stereo, but only >during the day if memory serves me correctly. Also, didn't they or do they >still simulcast on 103.5 FM? As to why they're allowed to operate at night, >I have no idea, but I assume that since the nighttime power is so low it >doesn't cause any or very little interference anyway. And finally, I have >never picked them up in any of my DX'ing efforts, nor am I likely to >considering their low TX power and the fact that I'm in Halifax. > >Regards, >Alex K. > >P.S. Not to get too sidetracked, but does anyone remember when WLLZ was a >full-time Hard Rock station on 98.9 FM in Detriot with the moniker >"Detroit's Wheels"? And, does anyone remember the name of the video show >they used air on Saturday nights on PBS affiliate Channel 56 WTVS in >Detroit? WLLZ used to simulcast the audio in stereo on 98.9. Finally, can >you name the host of that show? From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Nov 11 11:29:47 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 11 Nov 2001 19:29:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 46602 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2001 19:29:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2001 19:29:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.147) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2001 19:29:41 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 11:29:40 -0800 Received: from 209.240.222.130 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 19:29:40 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.240.222.130] To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WMIB Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 19:29:40 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Nov 2001 19:29:40.0939 (UTC) FILETIME=[356CB1B0:01C16AE7] From: "Donn Tillman" Kevin, That's quite a dx "catch" to receive WQAI 710 out of Miami; from where you are; from where I am, 300 airmiels due north of Havana and 190 airmiles north west of WQAI's towers just south of Miramir(practically on the Miami/Dade and Broward county line, I can only pick up WAQI underneath Radio Havana.......except this past Sunday through Wednesday, when I could pick them up since 710-Radio Havana was off the air due to Hurricane Michelle. According to their (WAQI's) conture maps(they're directional day and night) map I should be able to pick them up w/o any problems during the day, but that's academic, since Radio Havana is several hundred thousand watts vs WAQI's 50,000 watts. My aunt, in Hollywood is less than 6 miles from WQAI's tower array and sometimes at ight, I can hear Radio Havana's 710 under WAQI; many of the Cuban stations are 150 - 250,000 watts and part of the purpose of the high power is to jam and interfere with U.S. stations. Both stations sound nearly alike, Spanish commentary and news on both, WAQI broadcast right-winged propaganda 24 hours a day en espanol and Radio Havana broadcast left-winged propaganda en espanol 24 hours a day. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Radio reloj - 950 I receive well day and night; in fact 950 from Cuba overrides a 950 religious station out of Orlando(approx 115 miles north east of here). donn, st petersburg btw- Jeff, now it's our turn for good weather for the next 6 months; low in St Petersburg was 66 degrees this Sunday morning and the predicted high is 78. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> Recent DX conditions seem to be favourable towards the south. Last night on 950 kHz I heard "Radio Reloj" from Cuba underneath WPEN 950 AM Stereo from Philadelphia. Radio Reloj means "Clock Radio" and the format is Spanish-language news accompanied by second 'ticks' and a Morse code ID at the start of every minute. Obviously this makes it very easy to identify! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Nov 12 16:03:22 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 13 Nov 2001 00:03:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 20764 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2001 00:03:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2001 00:03:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2001 00:03:17 -0000 Received: from me ([204.221.28.188]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA06685 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 18:02:46 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000701c16bd6$a23c03a0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WMIB Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 18:03:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I'd wish a frost warning on you guys, but I like oranges too much. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Donn Tillman > btw- Jeff, now it's our turn for good weather for the next 6 months; low in > St Petersburg was 66 degrees this Sunday morning and the predicted high is > 78. From n1ea@c4.com Mon Nov 12 22:08:50 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: n1ea@c4.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 13 Nov 2001 06:08:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 91245 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2001 06:08:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2001 06:08:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailrelay1.chek.com) (208.197.227.116) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2001 06:08:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 27286 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2001 06:08:48 -0000 Received: from meowmix.chek.com (208.197.227.10) by mailrelay1.chek.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2001 06:08:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 4377 invoked by uid 99); 13 Nov 2001 06:06:08 -0000 Date: 13 Nov 2001 06:06:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20011113060608.4376.qmail@meowmix.chek.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-MASSMAIL: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [216.41.48.227] Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WMIB From: "David J Ring Jr" How about Radio Marti? I remember they used to have some sort of kite flying near there also for TV to jam the Cubans. Tell me what you know about the changes in this AM and TV setup? I last was there in 1992. 73 David Ring On Sun, 11 Nov 2001 19:29:40 +0000 Donn Tillman wrote: > >Kevin, > > >That's quite a dx "catch" to receive WQAI 710 out of Miami; from where you >are; from where I am, 300 airmiels due north of Havana and 190 airmiles >north west of WQAI's towers just south of Miramir(practically on the >Miami/Dade and Broward county line, I can only pick up WAQI underneath Radio >Havana.......except this past Sunday through Wednesday, when I could pick >them up since 710-Radio Havana was off the air due to Hurricane Michelle. > >According to their (WAQI's) conture maps(they're directional day and night) >map I should be able to pick them up w/o any problems during the day, but >that's academic, since Radio Havana is several hundred thousand watts vs >WAQI's 50,000 watts. > >My aunt, in Hollywood is less than 6 miles from WQAI's tower array and >sometimes at ight, I can hear Radio Havana's 710 under WAQI; many of the >Cuban stations are 150 - 250,000 watts and part of the purpose of the high >power is to jam and interfere with U.S. stations. > >Both stations sound nearly alike, Spanish commentary and news on both, WAQI >broadcast right-winged propaganda 24 hours a day en espanol and Radio Havana >broadcast left-winged propaganda en espanol 24 hours a day. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Radio reloj - 950 I receive well day and night; in fact 950 from Cuba >overrides a 950 religious station out of Orlando(approx 115 miles north east >of here). > >donn, >st petersburg > >btw- Jeff, now it's our turn for good weather for the next 6 months; low in >St Petersburg was 66 degrees this Sunday morning and the predicted high is >78. > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> > >Recent DX conditions seem to be favourable towards the south. Last >night on 950 kHz I heard "Radio Reloj" from Cuba underneath WPEN 950 >AM Stereo from Philadelphia. Radio Reloj means "Clock Radio" and the >format is Spanish-language news accompanied by second 'ticks' and a >Morse code ID at the start of every minute. Obviously this makes it >very easy to identify! > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> >Universal Inkjet Refill Kit $29.95 >Refill any ink cartridge for less! >Includes black and color ink. >http://us.click.yahoo.com/ltH6zA/MkNDAA/ySSFAA/CPMolB/TM >---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -------------------------------------------------- Totally Amazing Search Results - Just C4 Yourself! http://www.C4.com - Total Search Technology From jeffdeck@aol.com Tue Nov 13 01:28:39 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 13 Nov 2001 09:28:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 38034 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2001 09:28:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2001 09:28:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r04.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.100) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2001 09:28:36 -0000 Received: from Jeffdeck@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.166.3cad060 (3983); Tue, 13 Nov 2001 04:28:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <166.3cad060.292241bf@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 04:28:31 EST Subject: Test To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@nrcdxas.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10540 From: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a new mail application, and am testing to see if this was sent as plain text. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Nov 13 01:31:11 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 13 Nov 2001 09:31:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 9871 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2001 09:31:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2001 09:31:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2001 09:31:10 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.44]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.6.188) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 04:28:14 -0500 Message-ID: <002c01c16c25$54c263e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <166.3cad060.292241bf@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Test Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 04:26:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Both came through fine Jeff. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 4:28 AM Subject: {AMSF} Test From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Tue Nov 13 03:15:53 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 13 Nov 2001 11:15:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 34244 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2001 11:15:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2001 11:15:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.39) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2001 11:15:51 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 03:15:51 -0800 Received: from 209.240.222.130 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 11:15:51 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.240.222.130] To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amfmtvdx@qwest.net Bcc: Subject: Radio and TV Marti Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 11:15:51 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Nov 2001 11:15:51.0287 (UTC) FILETIME=[8D9A1870:01C16C34] From: "Donn Tillman" David, Radio Marti is still on medium wave(am) at 1180, I can pick them up under Radio Tourista, which the Cuban government has put on the air at 1180 to jam Radio Marti; I guesstimate Radio Tourista must be about 150,000 watts. Radio Marti also operates on the shortwave band and again the Cuban government attempts to jam it; I can hear the jamming noise under Radio Marti on shortwave. TV Marti, at least as of a year ago, operates on channel 13, and I understand that they transmit from a blimp. I also understand that the jamming of TV Marti is spotty, that people in the center of Havana cannot receive TV Marti, but people away from the city center, can sometimes receive it. donn st petersburg,fl (last frost here was February 1996,Scott-lover of oranges) ===Original Message-------- How about Radio Marti? I remember they used to have some sort of kite flying near there also for TV to jam the Cubans. Tell me what you know about the changes in this AM and TV setup? I last was there in 1992. 73 David Ring _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Tue Nov 13 15:16:43 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 13 Nov 2001 23:16:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 44552 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2001 23:16:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2001 23:16:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.55) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2001 23:16:41 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.123] by n5.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2001 23:16:41 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 23:16:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Test Message-ID: <9ss9kl+flms@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <166.3cad060.292241bf@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 332 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.68.25 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I have a new mail application, and am testing to see if this was > sent as plain text. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] That message in the brackets is an indication that your e-mail had some sort of attachment sent along with it, mostly likely HTML code, so double-check your e-mail settings. From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Tue Nov 13 17:27:51 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 14 Nov 2001 01:27:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 34255 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2001 01:27:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2001 01:27:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.63) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2001 01:27:50 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.4.82] by n13.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2001 01:23:11 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 01:27:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: talk shows in Stereo Message-ID: <9sshaj+6d9k@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1912 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.156 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I recently happened to notice that 102.7 WNEW in New York City (a rare FM talk station) is producing all of their talk shows in full Stereo. Most of their shows have two co-hosts, and one host's voice is in the center of the stereo image (as normal) while the other is heard from the Right channel only. Although this does not make the content of their talk shows any less obnoxious or vulgar, the Stereo effect does make it interesting to listen to. I'm just wondering if any other stations that carry some of WNEW's shows, like "Opie & Anthony" or "Ron & Fez", are also broadcasting these shows in Stereo? I know WJFK-FM in Washington, DC carries most of WNEW's shows but I dunno if WNEW supplies the network feed in Stereo or not. I've heard that the Howard Stern radio show is also produced in Stereo, but I haven't had the inclination to listen to it in over five years so I can't tell for sure. Are there any other syndicated talk shows that are known to be produced in Stereo? Of course there are a lot of syndicated *pre-recorded* programs, like "Imagination Theatre", that are produced in full Stereo, but I'm wondering about "live" talk shows. BTW, Imagination Theatre sounds fabulous when broadcast in full Stereo on 1450 WCTC. I believe 960 KABL also carries this program in Stereo. I'm also familiar with "When Radio Was" (replays of old time radio shows) but I've never heard it broadcast on a Stereo station so I don't know if its commercials and bumper music are in Stereo or not. (BTW, it is interesting to see how many 'stars' moved over from radio to TV -- even Lucille Ball was on 'radio sitcoms' in the 1950s.) p.s. I heard "Radio Reloj" from Cuba on both 930 and 950 kHz last night... their distinctive morse code ID at the top of every minute makes them very easy to 'catch', even if other co-channel stations are otherwise 'covering up' their signal. From KC4QLP@aol.com Tue Nov 13 17:56:44 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 14 Nov 2001 01:56:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 81755 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2001 01:56:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2001 01:56:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r08.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.104) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2001 01:56:43 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.99.1d9c7566 (16781) for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 20:56:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <99.1d9c7566.29232957@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 20:56:39 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} talk shows in Stereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 11/13/01 8:34:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, 76362.2023@compuserve.com writes: << I recently happened to notice that 102.7 WNEW in New York City (a rare FM talk station) is producing all of their talk shows in full Stereo. Most of their shows have two co-hosts, and one host's voice is in the center of the stereo image (as normal) while the other is heard from the Right channel only. Although this does not make the content of their talk shows any less obnoxious or vulgar, the Stereo effect does make it interesting to listen to.>> Very interesting...gives me a few ideas here <> Unfornately all of the shows that I have run across have been sent via satellite in mono <> This one I can check out tomorrow morning....I found Howard Stern on the Starguide 3 satellite receive over the summer...I'll checkout his channel in the morning and see if it is mono or stereo on the "bird" << Are there any other syndicated talk shows that are known to be produced in Stereo? Of course there are a lot of syndicated *pre-recorded* programs, like "Imagination Theatre", that are produced in full Stereo, but I'm wondering about "live" talk shows. BTW, Imagination Theatre sounds fabulous when broadcast in full Stereo on 1450 WCTC. I believe 960 KABL also carries this program in Stereo. I'm also familiar with "When Radio Was" (replays of old time radio shows) but I've never heard it broadcast on a Stereo station so I don't know if its commercials and bumper music are in Stereo or not. (BTW, it is interesting to see how many 'stars' moved over from radio to TV -- even Lucille Ball was on 'radio sitcoms' in the 1950s.) >> 99.9% of the shows that are sent to stations via Cd or tape are stereo.Most live shows however seem to be mono because of the cost to use two channels instead of one{example...if it cost $3000 a month to use one channel..it would cost &6000 a month to use two channels} We carry "When Radio Was" here at NewsRadio 560 WGAI AM Stereo weeknights at 10 {listen to it via the web too!}and the shows are recorded onto CD for the stations in mono except for the commericals....they are stereo...but the rest is mono. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC KC4QLP Amateur Radio --- Emergency Services Provider --- www.qsl.net/kc4qlp Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com http://communities.msn.com/AMStereo http://www.communityzero.com/amstereoradio voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! 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DR On Tue, 13 Nov 2001 11:15:51 +0000 Donn Tillman wrote: >David, > >Radio Marti is still on medium wave(am) at 1180, I can pick them up under >Radio Tourista, which the Cuban government has put on the air at 1180 to jam >Radio Marti; I guesstimate Radio Tourista must be about 150,000 watts. > >Radio Marti also operates on the shortwave band and again the Cuban >government attempts to jam it; I can hear the jamming noise under Radio >Marti on shortwave. > >TV Marti, at least as of a year ago, operates on channel 13, and I >understand that they transmit from a blimp. I also understand that the >jamming of TV Marti is spotty, that people in the center of Havana cannot >receive TV Marti, but people away from the city center, can sometimes >receive it. > >donn >st petersburg,fl >(last frost here was February 1996,Scott-lover of oranges) > >===Original Message-------- > >How about Radio Marti? >I remember they used to have some sort of kite flying near there also for TV >to jam the Cubans. >Tell me what you know about the changes in this AM and TV setup? >I last was there in 1992. >73 >David Ring > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -------------------------------------------------- Totally Amazing Search Results - Just C4 Yourself! http://www.C4.com - Total Search Technology From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Thu Nov 15 17:07:48 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 16 Nov 2001 01:07:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 75168 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2001 01:07:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2001 01:07:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.71) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2001 01:07:47 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.119] by n21.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2001 01:04:35 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 01:07:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: FM pirate on 87.9 MHz in NJ Message-ID: <9t1osv+hq8u@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1204 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.6 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Right now I am listening to an unlicensed pirate station operating on=20 87.9 MHz FM here in central NJ. They are playing Spanish-language=20 Norte=F1a music, and they do have a DJ, but he talks too fast for my=20 elementary knowledge of Spanish to understand much except the ID as=20 "87.9". This station does not appear to be broadcasting in Stereo. I shall see how long it takes the FCC to shut this one down...=20 especially with all the hoopla over 'LPFM', they are rather tough on=20 FM pirates, and in this case the unique frequency of 87.9 MHz (only=20 used by *one* legitimate licensed FM station in the whole country!)=20 makes them especially easy to discover. Now as I listen, it sounds like they are even playing commercials! I=20 will have to record some of the DJ's fast-talking chatter and play it=20 back numerous times in an attempt to understand some of what he's=20 saying. Sigh... why can't the pirates realise that AM is the best place for=20 them? Find a clear spot on the dial, keep your 'splatter' within=20 control, and the FCC won't bug you... they're too busy busting the FM=20 pirates! In fact, one pirate radio web site has a record of FCC=20 'busts', and at least 90% of them are FM stations. From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Thu Nov 15 17:53:52 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 16 Nov 2001 01:53:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 89170 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2001 01:53:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2001 01:53:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.63) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2001 01:53:48 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.2.207] by n13.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2001 01:48:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 01:53:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FM pirate on 87.9 MHz in NJ Message-ID: <9t1rj7+1mcu@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <9t1osv+hq8u@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 780 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.6 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics An update: numerous references to it on the air lead me to believe this station is broadcasting from Brooklyn, New York. That's at least 30 miles away from here, so they must be running some decent power... it's probably a classic "European-style" FM pirate -- gain access to the roof of a tall apartment building, set up a 5- or 10-watt transmitter and antenna, and set up some sort of STL (Studio-to-Transmitter Link), and there you have your own radio station, with enough signal to rival many of the licensed stations in the 'non-commercial' band (87.9 to 91.9 MHz)..... On FM, signal coverage is more related to height above ground than it is to power level... with a nice high antenna and a clear frequency, I have seen 10 watts cover up to a 40 mile radius! From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Fri Nov 16 17:19:00 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 17 Nov 2001 01:18:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 15766 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2001 01:18:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2001 01:18:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.52) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2001 01:18:59 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.28] by n2.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2001 01:18:59 -0000 Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 01:18:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Trio AF270 AM Stereo FM Stereo Tube Tuner Message-ID: <9t4dtt+jhov@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 113 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.68.18 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Another "AM Stereo" tuner from the '50s.... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1297021903 From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Fri Nov 16 17:29:53 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 17 Nov 2001 01:29:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 113 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2001 01:29:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2001 01:29:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.81) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2001 01:29:51 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.123] by n31.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2001 01:29:51 -0000 Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 01:29:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Acura AM Stereo radios on eBay Message-ID: <9t4eie+2904@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 598 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.68.18 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics This guy is selling a bunch of these radios on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1298325035 This is a *very* nice radio, if you have the "Double DIN" space in your car's dashboard (or are content just using it at home with a 12V power supply), and can figure out the wiring connections. These radios were made by Panasonic (a.k.a. Matsushita). If you miss out on this one, don't worry. There'll probably be another one popping up in a couple days. Previous to this one, this seller auctioned three Acura radios of the same model type -- about one per week. From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Nov 16 17:32:04 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 17 Nov 2001 01:32:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 22745 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2001 01:32:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2001 01:32:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2001 01:32:03 -0000 Received: from me ([204.221.28.146]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA02715 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 19:32:00 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000701c16f07$cabb20c0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <9t1osv+hq8u@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} FM pirate on 87.9 MHz in NJ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 19:32:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Because "everybody knows nobody listens to AM!" [grrrrr.] ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. <76362.2023@compuserve.com> > Sigh... why can't the pirates realise that AM is the best place for > them? Find a clear spot on the dial, keep your 'splatter' within > control, and the FCC won't bug you... they're too busy busting the FM > pirates! From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Nov 16 17:45:24 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 17 Nov 2001 01:45:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 47311 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2001 01:45:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2001 01:45:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2001 01:45:22 -0000 Received: from me ([204.221.28.146]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA04220 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 19:45:18 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <003a01c16f09$a6e99800$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <9t4eie+2904@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Acura AM Stereo radios on eBay Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 19:46:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Yeah, I bought one for $26. No EB (tunes only to 1620). It is a very good radio, but I've known even better ones. On the AM side it isn't much better than an early 70s vintage Chrysler radio that I have. I got it to check out how well it would do in the high RF field at the station I work at. Was hoping it could pick up our other two stations better. On 1280 it's about equal; on 1570 it's worse than that old analog Chrysler. Maybe Chris Cuff knows where to tweak it for better reception? ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. <76362.2023@compuserve.com> To: Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 7:29 PM Subject: {AMSF} Acura AM Stereo radios on eBay > This guy is selling a bunch of these radios on eBay: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1298325035 > From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Fri Nov 16 20:20:06 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 17 Nov 2001 04:20:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 50486 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2001 04:20:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2001 04:20:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.59) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2001 04:20:04 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.2.56] by n9.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2001 04:20:04 -0000 Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 04:20:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Acura AM Stereo radios on eBay Message-ID: <9t4ohk+opqi@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <003a01c16f09$a6e99800$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2285 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.156 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > It is a very good radio, but I've known even better ones. On the AM > side it isn't much better than an early 70s vintage Chrysler radio > that I have. I got it to check out how well it would do in the high > RF field at the station I work at. Was hoping it could pick up our > other two stations better. On 1280 it's about equal; on 1570 it's > worse than that old analog Chrysler. If you can ever find one, try a Sparkomatic car radio with AM Stereo. I have the SR-430 model and it is excellent overall. In "wide" mode (with a corresponding neon-red "WIDE" indicator that lights up in the display!), its frequency response rivals that of the Carver TX-11a, and in "narrow" mode, selectivity is very good. I have used it in very close promiximity to my AM Stereo transmitter on 1500 kHz, and while on many radios the field strength is enough to wipe out 1300 to 1700 kHz with hiss and static, on the Sparkomatic the "wiped-out" range is restricted to about 1460 to 1540 kHz, even in "wide" mode. My only real compaint about the Sparkomatic is that on AM it has some sort of low-bass filter which pretty much eliminates all bass below 80 Hz or so. I have heard of a good number of other AM Stereo radios (also using the MC13020 chip) that have this same "feature", although nobody seems to know exactly why this was done. These are not multi-system radios, so there was no need to filter out the 55 Hz Harris pilot tone, and at least with the Sparkomatic, there is no low-frequency phase or oscillator noise that needs to be filtered out. Another nice thing about the Sparkomatic is that on FM, its "stereo blend" feature is very conservative, only blending to mono on signals that are almost unlistenably weak. Sure, this adds some extra hiss and static, but in exchange you get full-separation, full-response Stereo audio in situations where most other car radios have already switched to muffled mono sound, since they are so scared you might hear a little "psst-psst" noise if they kept the Stereo active. One oddity is that it actually tunes in 108.1 MHz as if that was a legimate channel; the vast majority of digital radios stop at 107.9 MHz, which is the true end of the FM band, despite some stations on this frequency IDing as "108". From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Nov 17 16:31:30 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 18 Nov 2001 00:31:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 2376 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2001 00:31:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2001 00:31:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2001 00:31:28 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.96]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.6.188) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 19:28:59 -0500 Message-ID: <006201c16fc7$c59f21c0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <9t4eie+2904@eGroups.com> Subject: The new website Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 19:27:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I want to announce the new website, www.amstereoradio.com under the management of Ben- We hope all will contribute news, updates, errata, etc. so we can keep it current again! Thanks! Chris From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Sat Nov 17 19:23:08 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 18 Nov 2001 03:23:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 62935 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2001 03:23:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2001 03:23:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.57) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2001 03:23:07 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.4.24] by n7.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2001 03:23:07 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 03:22:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: The new website Message-ID: <9t79ii+f6c2@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <006201c16fc7$c59f21c0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 865 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.148 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Excellent! And I love those garishly bright colors... sure catches the eye! Just one suggestion.... you might want to replace the link to Bryan's old group with a link to this group. So far I have been pleased with the success of this Forum, but it would be nice to attract a few more members! And it is great to see the MP3 site back "on the air", although the link to my old Kevtronics site (which crashed a while back and has so far evaded attempts to be reconfigured) should be replaced with a link to The AM Stereo Advantage web site: http://www.geocities.com/amstereoexp The "exp" part doesn't make much sense anymore since I changed the name from "The AM Stereo Experience", but I'm working on getting an "amstereoadv" web space to put it on -- hopefully NOT on Geocities, as I find their web hosting services to be less than satisfactory. From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Sun Nov 18 12:55:29 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 18 Nov 2001 20:55:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 90123 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2001 20:55:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2001 20:55:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.61) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2001 20:55:18 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.2.55] by n11.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2001 20:55:18 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 20:55:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: www.amstereo.com ?? Message-ID: <9t977m+qme1@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 423 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.90.45 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics OK guys, anybody know what's going on with the web address http://www.amstereo.com ? When you access it you'll get this message: Welcome to AMSTEREO.com! Our site is under construction. Please stop back soon. A domain owner look-up reveals that www.amstereo.com is managed by the same exact ISP as the web site of KROS 1340 AM Stereo in Clinton, Iowa (http://kros.clinton.net/)... Hmm.... From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Nov 18 13:41:50 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 18 Nov 2001 21:41:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 64419 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2001 21:39:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2001 21:39:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2001 21:39:27 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.141]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.6.188) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 16:37:01 -0500 Message-ID: <001301c17078$e79e9240$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <9t977m+qme1@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} www.amstereo.com ?? Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 16:35:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Kevin- I found out 2 years ago that this name is owned by a "cyber squatter"- They never got back to me about it, other than the name was for sale "make an offer"-- no, thanks! CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. <76362.2023@compuserve.com> To: Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 3:55 PM Subject: {AMSF} www.amstereo.com ?? > OK guys, anybody know what's going on with the web address > http://www.amstereo.com ? When you access it you'll get this From dtaylor@newnw.com Sun Nov 18 13:45:54 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: dtaylor@newnw.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 18 Nov 2001 21:45:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 57960 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2001 21:45:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2001 21:45:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.64) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2001 21:45:44 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: dtaylor@newnw.com Received: from [10.1.4.76] by n14.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2001 21:46:54 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 21:45:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Delco question Message-ID: <9t9a62+mlmv@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 402 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 209.193.49.253 From: dtaylor@newnw.com X-Yahoo-Profile: dnktaylor I have a Delco AM/FM CD stereo for my '94 GMC Sonoma that I picked up from our local junk yard. The model/part # is 16220765. Even though this unit does not have an AMS switch like the cassette version, does anyone know if my radio is equipped with AMS? Unfortunatly there aren't any AM stations in my area broadcasting in Stereo to confirm one way or another. Thanks. Dave Taylor Anchorage, AK From n1ea@arrl.net Sun Nov 18 15:36:09 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: n1ea@arrl.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 18 Nov 2001 23:36:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 17254 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2001 23:36:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2001 23:36:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.73) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2001 23:36:08 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: n1ea@arrl.net Received: from [10.1.2.91] by n23.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2001 23:36:07 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 23:36:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: http://www.amstereo.org Message-ID: <9t9gl6+8e5d@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 166 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.41.49.45 From: "David J. Ring, Jr." X-Yahoo-Profile: djringjr The URL http://www.amstereo.org is available. ORG would be better than COM because it would be an Organization rather than a commercial enterprise. 73 David Ring From joemayes@dallas.net Sun Nov 18 16:51:30 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: joemayes@dallas.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 19 Nov 2001 00:51:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 1079 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2001 00:51:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2001 00:51:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO femail35.sdc1.sfba.home.com) (24.254.60.25) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2001 00:51:28 -0000 Received: from c32367-d.dallas.net ([24.7.108.21]) by femail35.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20011119005128.XIYJ633.femail35.sdc1.sfba.home.com@c32367-d.dallas.net> for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 16:51:28 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011118184523.00b07d60@mail.dallas.net> X-Sender: joemayes@mail.dallas.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 18:49:10 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} http://www.amstereo.org In-Reply-To: <9t9gl6+8e5d@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: Joe Mayes X-Yahoo-Profile: joemayes1 At 11:36 PM 11/18/2001 +0000, David Ring wrote: >The URL http://www.amstereo.org is available. amstereo.net amstereo.info amstereo.biz . . . are also available. Best Regards, Joe Mayes joemayes@dallas.net >ORG would be better than COM because it would be an Organization >rather than a commercial enterprise. > >73 > >David Ring From di316@freenet.carleton.ca Sun Nov 18 18:35:54 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: di316@ncf.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 19 Nov 2001 02:35:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 95225 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2001 02:35:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2001 02:35:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts19-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.73) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2001 02:35:52 -0000 Received: from ncf.ca ([64.230.25.134]) by tomts19-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20011119023551.HAKF10804.tomts19-srv.bellnexxia.net@ncf.ca>; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 21:35:51 -0500 Message-ID: <3BF87009.60A8A1F9@ncf.ca> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 21:35:53 -0500 Reply-To: paulc@ncf.ca X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: ccuff@in4web.com Subject: Re: The new website References: <1006100986.643.42600.m12@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: Paul Cumming From: Paul Cumming X-Yahoo-Profile: rahoule104 "Christopher Cuff" (ccuff@in4web.com) wrote: > We hope all will contribute news, updates, errata, etc. so we can > keep it current again! In your AM stereo station listings, please make the following changes: Under "Canadian AM Stereo Stations": The following stations ended their music formats on May 7, 2001 to become part of CHUM's "The Team" sports radio network: * CKGM 990 is now "The Team 990" and is mono with a pilot tone. It may have been mono with a pilot before then, but I can't be sure. * CHUM 1050 is now "The Team 1050" and is completely mono (no pilot tone). It ceased stereophonic transmissions shortly after the format change. * CKKW 1090 is now "The Team 1090". I don't know about their stereo status. * CFST 1290 is now "The Team 1290". I don't know about their stereo status. * CKLC 1380 is now "The Team 1380" but is still AM stereo. As far as I can tell, only locally run station IDs and commercials are stereo (and very good stereo, at that); all satellite-driven programming is monaural. -- Paul From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Sun Nov 18 19:23:28 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 19 Nov 2001 03:23:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 39061 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2001 03:23:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2001 03:23:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.59) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2001 03:23:25 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.2.4] by n9.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2001 03:23:23 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 03:23:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} http://www.amstereo.org Message-ID: <9t9tva+6g70@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20011118184523.00b07d60@mail.dallas.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 438 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.81.128 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > amstereo.net > amstereo.info > amstereo.biz > . . . are also available. How about "www.stereo.am"? I believe ArMenia is now issuing ".am" web addresses, just as the Federation of Micronesia is offering ".fm" addresses. Interestingly, so far there is no "www.fmstereo.com" or "www.fmstereoradio.com". I guess that multipath-filled monstrosity is not worthy of having a web site of its own! From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Nov 20 01:50:57 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 20 Nov 2001 09:50:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 53201 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2001 09:50:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2001 09:50:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2001 09:50:54 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.42]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.6.188) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 04:48:36 -0500 Message-ID: <008601c171a8$40fdbde0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: Subject: Good news Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 04:46:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Yesterday, I had a chat with Marv from FanFare and things are looking better than I hoped on several fronts. There is a secret project in the works there, as well as their FT100A. This news comes at a very good time. I am elated, and will "spill more beans" when I can. In the mean time, in all of your opinions, what is /are the most important things for an AM tuner to have: What is the most reasonable bandwidth? 8K? What is the preferred "factory type" antenna- open loop, (best for eliminating interfernce) or ferrite (best for grabbing signals) Switchable bandwidth: how anbout this?- 3K and 8K? Let me know.. CC From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Tue Nov 20 14:29:22 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 20 Nov 2001 22:29:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 92128 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2001 22:29:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2001 22:29:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.81) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2001 22:29:18 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.103] by n31.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2001 22:29:18 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:29:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Good news Message-ID: <9telft+ql1b@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <008601c171a8$40fdbde0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2523 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.84.24 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > In the mean time, in all of your opinions, what is /are the most > important things for an AM tuner to have: What is the most > reasonable bandwidth? 8K? For single-bandwidth radios, a filter similar to that of the Sony SRF-42, Realistic TM-152, or MetroSound would be nice -- wide enough for nice crisp sound, but still selective enough for good DXing. A sharp 10 kHz notch to cut the intercarrier whistle would be nice. For dual-bandwidth radios, "wide" mode should be full AMAX bandwidth (as close to full 10 kHz as possible), again with a sharp 10 kHz whistle filter. > What is the preferred "factory type" antenna- open loop, (best for > eliminating interfernce) or ferrite (best for grabbing signals) For portable/walkman radios, a ferrite bar is best. For home tuners, I like playing with an external wire loop antenna, although there should obviously be connections for a long-wire antenna and ground. > Switchable bandwidth: how anbout this?- 3K and 8K? > Let me know.. Again, "wide" mode should be as close to full 10 kHz audio bandwidth as economically feasible. For narrow mode, at least 4 kHz of flat audio bandwidth would be nice so it doesn't sound totally muffled. But don't knock yourself out over this. I'd rather have a single medium bandwidth than a choice between a "wide" mode that is too wide (poor selectivity) and a "narrow" mode that is too narrow (awful sound). Overall, I think it is important to have these radios meet all applicable AMAX specs (which are slightly different for battery portables and for home tuners). I think AMAX is an excellent set of "rules" for radio design and we have to prove that it works!! The Sony SRF-42 proved how even a "cheap" radio can meet AMAX specs, and we have to continue its tradition. I mean, if the C.Crane Co. can get people to spend $170 on a radio that sounds like crap, just because it is advertised as having good AM reception, think what we could do with a 100% better radio with AM Stereo at a lower price... with good promotion it would sell like hotcakes! BTW... this is the funniest part of the C.Crane catalog, from their Mission Statement: "We promise to have items based on their own merits and never let manufacturers buy their way into our catalog" Yeah, right! That must be why 95% of the radios they sell are made by Sangean!! (Just about the only non-Sangean radio they sell is the GE Superadio III, and also that rubbish-can Henry Kloss radio which I don't even count as a real radio.) From n0uiheric@aol.com Tue Nov 20 16:23:19 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 21 Nov 2001 00:23:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 36632 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2001 00:23:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2001 00:23:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2001 00:23:17 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.129.7e2835c (3845) for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 19:23:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <129.7e2835c.292c4df0@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 19:23:12 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Good news To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih How about an AM Stereo version of the General Electric Superadio? 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://members.aol.com/n0uiheric/TurnOffClearChannel.html http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/turnoffclearchannel From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Nov 20 18:22:02 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 21 Nov 2001 02:22:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 701 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2001 02:21:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2001 02:21:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2001 02:21:58 -0000 Received: from me (c2m75.dlup.shbtl.means.net [209.105.35.175]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA13961 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:21:52 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <003c01c17233$73209be0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <008601c171a8$40fdbde0$0101a8c0@pavilion> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Good news Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:22:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude You mean they actually got around to releasing the FT 100A? Sure took them long enough. My vote for antenna is the open loop, since to best decode an AMS signal it would have to be fairly strong to begin with and with as little interference as possible. As for switchable bandwidth, I'd say 18k wide and 5k narrow and make as much use of the NRSC allowed fidelity as possible. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher Cuff From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Nov 20 18:32:54 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 21 Nov 2001 02:32:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 29228 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2001 02:32:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2001 02:32:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2001 02:32:48 -0000 Received: from me (c2m75.dlup.shbtl.means.net [209.105.35.175]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA15253 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:32:36 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <006a01c17234$f2d20300$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <129.7e2835c.292c4df0@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Good news Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:33:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Good concept, but the SR3 would need a complete redesign to make it into a decent AMS receiver. Its specs would be a good thing to shoot for. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: > How about an AM Stereo version of the General Electric Superadio? > From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Nov 20 19:04:50 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 21 Nov 2001 03:04:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 95262 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2001 03:04:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2001 03:04:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.65) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2001 03:04:49 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: stodd@sherbtel.net Received: from [10.1.10.64] by n15.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2001 03:04:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 03:04:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: more DIY for the website Message-ID: <9tf5ke+arfi@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 634 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 204.221.28.173 From: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I had a thought for something to add to the new AMS website- how about if those of us who have done radio conversions were to write out how we did the conversions, with pictures if possible, and those could be accessed on the site as well? I've done only two, but they were about as different as night and day as to what it took to make them work. My first was an early 70's Panasonic home stereo and was frought with a lot of unforseen problems, and the second was the radio from my 91 Pathfinder. Getting the stereo indicator to work for AM took about as much time as the rest of it (which was pretty easy.) Scott Todd From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Tue Nov 20 20:25:43 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 21 Nov 2001 04:25:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 28592 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2001 04:25:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2001 04:25:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.64) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2001 04:25:42 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.2.56] by n14.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2001 04:26:54 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 04:25:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Good news Message-ID: <9tfac6+86st@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <003c01c17233$73209be0$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1330 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.84.24 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > As for switchable bandwidth, I'd say 18k wide and 5k narrow and make > as much use of the NRSC allowed fidelity as possible. I assume you are talking about IF bandwidth, which is double the audio bandwidth. An 18 kHz IF filter (commonly used in Japanese home-market AM Stereo radios, I hear) would give a 9 kHz audio bandwith, just under the 10.2 kHz NRSC limit. However, I'd rather have 5 kHz *audio* bandwidth in narrow mode, than 5 kHz IF bandwidth which would give an unacceptably poor 2.5 kHz audio response. The adjacent channel "splatter" that leads radio manufacturers to choose a narrow AM bandwidth actually only occurs in the 5 to 10 kHz range of the audio spectrum, so narrowing the audio bandwidth to any less than 5 kHz yields no benefit in selectivity. And we also have to take into consideration how sharply the IF filter rolls off the response after the stated bandwidth. A filter that offers audio response flat to 4 kHz with a very gradual roll-off above that point actually sounds better than a filter that offers flat audio to 7 kHz and then drops off like a cliff. (Especially since a very sharp cut-off tends to cause "ringing" in the audio. The Sony SRF-42 suffers a bit from this; its sharp cut-off just before 10 kHz makes its audio noticeably "ringy" in the 4 to 6 kHz range.) From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Tue Nov 20 20:29:34 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 21 Nov 2001 04:29:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 12715 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2001 04:29:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2001 04:29:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.80) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2001 04:29:33 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.2.91] by n30.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2001 04:29:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 04:29:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Good news Message-ID: <9tfajc+cpjo@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <006a01c17234$f2d20300$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 889 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.84.24 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Good concept, but the SR3 would need a complete redesign to make it > into a decent AMS receiver. Its specs would be a good thing to > shoot for. To elaborate a bit, the GE Superadio III and its twin the Radio Shack Optimus 12-603 both cannot be successfully converted to AM Stereo because they use a varactor for tuning. This varactor system causes excessive phase noise, and since the L-R component of AM Stereo is transmitted using phase modulation, this makes AM Stereo reception on these two radios unacceptably noisy. Sometimes it's bad enough that a converted Superadio III refuses to enter AM Stereo mode at all. The Superadio I or II are fine, because they use a regular tuning capacitor instead of the varactor tuning, however GE couldn't continue with that design due to the big increase of prices and drop in availability of "old-fashioned" tuning capacitors. From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Wed Nov 21 05:28:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15990 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2001 13:28:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2001 13:28:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.70) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2001 13:28:25 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [10.1.10.67] by n20.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2001 13:25:04 -0000 Date: 21 Nov 2001 13:28:21 -0000 Message-ID: <1006349301.290916.7974.w12@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Notify: From: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /TBS.mp3 Uploaded by : watan-ko@rtri.or.jp Description : TBS, Tokyo. This program was broadcast on Sept.24 to celebrate its 50 years' anniversary. TBS is one of the first commercial radio stations. You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/TBS.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, watan-ko@rtri.or.jp From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Nov 21 10:07:12 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 21 Nov 2001 18:07:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 5378 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2001 18:07:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2001 18:07:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14203.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.145) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2001 18:07:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20011121180707.20086.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:07:07 PST Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:07:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: Ideal AMS To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Low cost model vs. Higher cost model? IF costs work out then: 1) Noise reduction is a must, (meeting the AMAX Stereo standard) 2) Ideally frequency response out to 10KHz, with a gradual roll-off after 8KHz, and a sharp cut-off at 15KHz. Ideally, wide-mode would go all the way out to 15KHz where some of the Candadian stations used to roll-out to, but some response out to 10KHz and a switchable whistle filter at 10KHz would be great. 3) Visual AM stereo indicator. 4) Crystal-Clear lettering "AM" / "AM Stereo" (FM / FM Stereo). 5) Pricy model with Mono / Auto-Stereo (normal) / Stereo Sound 6) Built-in ferrite, phono jack on the rear for a remote ferrite that you can move around (like the 80's Sony's) or optional RatShack Loop. 7) Stereo headphone jack(s). 8) Tiny 3 or 5 band equalizer like the Chryslers and UX-1's have/had. With all of our technology today, manufacturers CAN easily make some DSP blocks for noise reduction that CAN make analog AM sound extremely decent. IF they spent the same energy level on getting manufacturers to build decent high-tech AM analog as they do on Sirus/XM digital crap- we would be in great shape. Why pay $399 for a 'single band' XM receiver when you could pay $150 for a great AM Stereo receiver, and not have to pay $10+tax every month? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Nov 21 11:41:56 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 21 Nov 2001 19:41:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 10319 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2001 19:41:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2001 19:41:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2001 19:41:54 -0000 Received: from me (c3m58.dlup.shbtl.means.net [209.105.35.58]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA25351 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 13:41:51 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000d01c172c4$bdb07860$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <9tfac6+86st@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Good news Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 13:42:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Yep- mixed my metaphors and didn't catch it before I posted. Sharp eyes, there, Kev. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. <76362.2023@compuserve.com> To: Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 10:25 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Good news > > As for switchable bandwidth, I'd say 18k wide and 5k narrow and make > > as much use of the NRSC allowed fidelity as possible. > > I assume you are talking about IF bandwidth, which is double the > audio bandwidth. An 18 kHz IF filter (commonly used in Japanese > home-market AM Stereo radios, I hear) would give a 9 kHz audio > bandwith, just under the 10.2 kHz NRSC limit. > From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Nov 21 11:45:00 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 21 Nov 2001 19:44:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 64921 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2001 19:44:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2001 19:44:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2001 19:44:58 -0000 Received: from me (c3m58.dlup.shbtl.means.net [209.105.35.58]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA25840 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 13:44:56 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001101c172c5$2bca8160$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <9tfajc+cpjo@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Good news Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 13:46:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude While we're on this, why is it these varactor tuned radios can't be converted and yet all digital car radios from the past umpteen years can be and they have varactor tuning as well? Does it have to do with the stability of the tuning voltages? ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. <76362.2023@compuserve.com> > To elaborate a bit, the GE Superadio III and its twin the Radio Shack > Optimus 12-603 both cannot be successfully converted to AM Stereo > because they use a varactor for tuning. This varactor system causes > excessive phase noise, From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Wed Nov 21 17:28:57 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 22 Nov 2001 01:28:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 809 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2001 01:28:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2001 01:28:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.80) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2001 01:28:55 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.126] by n30.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2001 01:28:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 01:28:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Ideal AMS Message-ID: <9thkcn+29ff@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <20011121180707.20086.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3018 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.69.24 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Low cost model vs. Higher cost model? IF costs work out then: > 1) Noise reduction is a must, (meeting the AMAX Stereo standard) AMAX doesn't actually call for noise reduction, but rather noise *blanking*, which is a bit different. Also I don't think this requirement applies to battery-powered portable radios as I doubt the Sony SRF-42 has noise blanking (nor the GE Superadio III?). However, plain old DNR (Dynamic Noise Reduction) can be very effective at increasing overall signal-to-noise ratio when listening to AM Stereo. GM/Delco and Sparkomatic AM Stereo car radios all have "auto DNR" (on all the time) and it really does help at reducing the hiss on weaker signals. (DNR is also great for FM and non-Dolby cassettes, as well.) > 2) Ideally frequency response out to 10KHz, with a gradual roll-off > after 8KHz, and a sharp cut-off at 15KHz. Ideally, wide-mode would > go all the way out to 15KHz where some of the Candadian stations > used to roll-out to, but some response out to 10KHz and a switchable > whistle filter at 10KHz would be great. I think the existing AMAX specs are fine and should be followed: a minimum of 6.5 kHz response (+1/-3 dB) for battery-powered portables, and minimum of 7.5 kHz response for car radios and home tuners. In either case, a sharp 10 kHz whistle filter is required to meet AMAX specs, and besides nobody wants to listen to that annoying carrier whistle anyway. As for response above 10 kHz, that will mostly go to waste, with 95% of the stations in North America following the 10 kHz NRSC cut-off. So what we should focus on is having good flat response up to 10 kHz, a sharp notch filter right at 10 kHz to cut whistle, and then above 10 kHz will be up to the natural selectivity of the radio. And with good design, you can avoid the use of ceramic filter(s) entirely, and thus nice wide bandwidth would come naturally. For example, the Philips-Magnavox radios have response to at least 14 kHz on AM! (This is with the "ECO-5" tuner module, which uses all coils, and no ceramic filters.) > IF they spent the same energy level on getting manufacturers to > build decent high-tech AM analog as they do on Sirus/XM digital > crap- we would be in great shape. Why pay $399 for a 'single band' > XM receiver when you could pay $150 for a great AM Stereo receiver, > and not have to pay $10+tax every month? BTW, I was in a restaurant the other day and I noticed two things about the background music they were playing on ceiling speakers. First, this was the first time I ever heard *true Stereo* coming out of ceiling speakers in a store or restaurant; they must have alternately wired L and R channels to give the stereo effect no matter where you are in the room. Second, the music would sporadically 'cut out' for a second or two, several times in a row, about once every two minutes. I asked about this, and the response was "Oh, that's the new satellite radio, and they're still getting the bugs worked out." From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Wed Nov 21 17:39:06 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 22 Nov 2001 01:39:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 82287 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2001 01:39:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2001 01:39:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.58) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2001 01:39:04 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.4.22] by n8.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2001 01:39:04 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 01:39:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum Message-ID: <9thkvk+b7vv@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1006349301.290916.7974.w12@yahoogroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 710 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.69.24 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Description : TBS, Tokyo. This program was broadcast on Sept.24 to > celebrate its 50 years' anniversary. TBS is one of the first > commercial radio stations. Thanks Koji! The AM Stereo Forum is proud to be home of the first known MP3 recording of AM Stereo from a Japanese station. (For those who are not familiar with it, TBS is broadcast on station JOKR on 954 kHz, with 100,000 watts of power, non-directional.) By the way, what brand and model of radio did you use to make this recording? p.s. Due to the unique nature of this recording, I recommend that if any of you share this file with others, or upload it to other web sites, please give full credit to its originator, Koji Watanabe. From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Wed Nov 21 18:03:44 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 22 Nov 2001 02:03:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 59668 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2001 02:03:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2001 02:03:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.62) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2001 02:03:40 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.133] by n12.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2001 02:03:40 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 02:03:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: re: varactor tuning Message-ID: <9thmds+j7n2@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <001101c172c5$2bca8160$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 932 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.69.24 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > While we're on this, why is it these varactor tuned radios can't be > converted and yet all digital car radios from the past umpteen years > can be and they have varactor tuning as well? Does it have to do > with the stability of the tuning voltages? Anything with Phase Locked Loop (i.e. digital tuning) is going to be a lot more stable than a manually tuned varactor system. As the name suggests, PLL is continuously "double-checking" itself to make sure it is exactly on-frequency, while manual varactors are free to "drift" around. However, you *can* add AFC (Automatic Frequency Control) to analog *AM* tuners (not just FM). This was done as early as the 1930s, and nowadays the MC13024 integrated AM tuner and AM Stereo decoder chip has an AFC feature on AM -- as you're tuning and approach a signal, it will "grab onto" the signal, without you having to manually tune it to exactly the center of the signal. From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Wed Nov 21 18:20:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 33022 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2001 02:20:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2001 02:20:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.53) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2001 02:20:30 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [10.1.10.29] by n3.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2001 02:20:29 -0000 Date: 22 Nov 2001 02:20:25 -0000 Message-ID: <1006395625.318746.26470.w2@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Notify: From: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /Enya-st.mp3 Uploaded by : 76362.2023@compuserve.com Description : A demonstration recording from a Hallicrafters 5-tube radio, circa early 1950s, that has been converted to AM Stereo with Chris Cuff's MC13028 decoder. As you can hear, the results are excellent! You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/Enya-st.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, 76362.2023@compuserve.com From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu Nov 22 00:13:27 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 22 Nov 2001 08:13:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 81841 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2001 08:13:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2001 08:13:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.81) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2001 08:13:25 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jsgil@hal-pc.org Received: from [10.1.10.124] by n31.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2001 08:13:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 08:13:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Good news Message-ID: <9tic34+pcbh@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <008601c171a8$40fdbde0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2843 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.157 From: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Christopher Cuff" wrote: In the mean time, in all of your opinions, what is /are the > most > important things for an AM tuner to have: What is the most reasonable > bandwidth? 8K? > What is the preferred "factory type" antenna- open loop, (best for > eliminating interfernce) or ferrite (best for grabbing signals) > Switchable bandwidth: how anbout this?- 3K and 8K? > Let me know.. > CC Given that the frequencies are cut off sharply @ 10.2KHz the daytime filter should be +/-10KHz muRata SFH450D and the nightime filter should be +/-4.5KHz SFG450G I wish 12.5 KHz was selected instead of 10.2KHz as the maximum broadcast frequency because 12.5KHZ sounds pretty close to Hi-Fi. I think for daytime you need to recover as much of the high frequencies as possible as it adds to chrispness. A good compromise for single filter is +/-7.5KHz SFH450E. If it was my design I would use 3 filters +/-12.5KHz SFH450C, +/-7.5KHz SFG450E & +/-4.5KHz SFG450G. I replaced the filter in my receiver with a +/-7.5KHz and it does pretty good during nighttime especially if you have the option of using synchronous detection. The filters should be cascaded during narrow mode for maximum selectivity. Full synchronous detection should be available during noisy conditions as this allows wider bandwidths without the loss in selectivity. I prefer a loop antenna over ferrite. If you make the loop large enough you can have the best of both. I did not get the loop with my receiver so I had to make one and made it 8" in dia. It pulls in more stations than my TM-152's ferrite antenna. C.Crane sells an 11" tuneable loop (Select-A-Tenna) device that boosts signal strength which proves that loops are superior for both signal strength and interference rejection when designed properly. Ferrites were used for space reasons, or lack there of, and should not be used for high quality tuners. This is my personal experience as I've tweaked my TM-152 by adding Hi-Q 10KHz notch filters, replaced the +/-4.5KHz filter with a +/-7.5KHz one and forced the MC13020P to do full synchronous detection. This improved the signal quality tremendiously. C-QuAM is fine during little or no interference but the cosine correction function does not preform well under noisy conditions. This is where regular QuAM can be used and offers superior signal recovery over that of envelope detection for L+R. I've also done one conversion to a Pioneer receiver, the one that uses the 8" loop, using the MC13020P and has better high frequency performance than the tweaked TM-152. AMAX is a good thing but cutting off the frequency at 10.2KHz for daytime is too much. During daytime hours a +/-15KHz could be used with no interference issues with adjacent stations and a narrower bandwidth could be used for nightime like +/-7.5KHz. From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Nov 22 07:19:57 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 22 Nov 2001 15:19:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 964 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2001 15:19:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2001 15:19:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2001 15:19:55 -0000 Received: from me (c3m68.dlup.shbtl.means.net [209.105.35.68]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA29674 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 09:19:50 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <003701c17369$4f54c380$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <9tic34+pcbh@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Good news Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 09:21:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I'm curious as to what you did to make it full synchronous detection? Does the envelope detector of the 13020 get bypassed with an external detector, or is there something that can be done with external components with the chip? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: . This is my personal experience as I've tweaked my TM-152 by > adding Hi-Q 10KHz notch filters, replaced the +/-4.5KHz filter with > a +/-7.5KHz one and forced the MC13020P to do full synchronous > detection. This improved the signal quality tremendiously. C-QuAM is From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Thu Nov 22 12:12:42 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 22 Nov 2001 20:12:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 13960 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2001 20:12:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2001 20:12:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.75) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2001 20:12:40 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.67] by n25.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2001 20:12:11 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 20:12:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Good news Message-ID: <9tjm7m+v98b@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <9tic34+pcbh@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1831 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.147 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Given that the frequencies are cut off sharply @ 10.2KHz the daytime > filter should be +/-10KHz muRata SFH450D and the nightime filter > should be +/-4.5KHz SFG450G I wish 12.5 KHz was selected instead of > 10.2KHz as the maximum broadcast frequency because 12.5KHZ sounds > pretty close to Hi-Fi. I think for daytime you need to recover as > much of the high frequencies as possible as it adds to chrispness. The Realistic TM-152 uses a SFG450G filter and although as you say, the audio bandwidth is only flat to about 4.5 kHz, its roll-off of response is very gradual, so it does have some response well past 10 kHz, especially with the pre-emphasis that stations use. The MetroSound uses the slightly wider SFG450F filter which is probably flat to about 6 kHz, although its roll-off is more pronounced so there is not much response above 10 kHz. Selectivity is still very good with this filter. > This is my personal experience as I've tweaked my TM-152 by > adding Hi-Q 10KHz notch filters, replaced the +/-4.5KHz filter with > a +/-7.5KHz one and forced the MC13020P to do full synchronous > detection. This improved the signal quality tremendiously. The TM-152 works even better when used with one of Chris Cuff's MC13028 decoder modules. The quality is excellent, even with weak signals. The most technologically advanced C-Quam decoder chip is the MC13022. It has all sorts of frills to improve reception and sound quality, especially with weak signals. The Denon TU-680NAB and also some Chrysler radios use the MC13022 chip and it sounds great. However, as Chris has noted, the '022 is a bit complex to work with and requires more circuitry. The MC13122 decoder is the same as the '022 but with AMAX audio blanking added, however it does not appear that the '122 was ever put into production. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu Nov 22 16:39:24 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 23 Nov 2001 00:39:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 13195 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2001 00:39:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2001 00:39:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.59) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2001 00:39:23 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jsgil@hal-pc.org Received: from [10.1.2.230] by n9.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Nov 2001 00:39:23 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 00:39:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Good news Message-ID: <9tk5ro+mah2@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <003701c17369$4f54c380$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3962 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.144 From: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Scott Todd" wrote: Re: Re: Good news >I'm curious as to what you did to make it full synchronous >detection? Does the envelope detector of the 13020 get bypassed >with an external detector, or is there something that can be done >with external components with the chip? I used external components and the internal detectors so I wouldn't have to dematrix and rematrix the left & right outputs. The output impedance of the Envelope, I & Q is 4.3K. Essentially the detectors themselves inside the chip are all the synchronous type like the MC1496 with a high impedance collector output but the BFO for the envelope is the signal itself where as the I & Q use the the 0 & 90 degrees from the PLL. By buffering the output of the of the I detector and using it to drive the pin of the envelope detector you can override the envelope signal with the I signal and allow the chip to do the internal matrixing for L & R. You also need to disable the cosine corrector circuit with a large capacitor. Parts: Qty. Part. Desc. Cost 1 MPSA14 NPN Darlington Transistor .50 1 10uf 10V Cap. Tantalun .35 1 100uf 10V Cap. Electrolytic or Tantalum .35 1 4.7K Resistor .10 2 1Meg Resistors .20 1 DPST (Double Pole Sigle Throw Mini Switch) 3.00 ----- Total $4.50 On the MC13020P connect the base of the transistor to the I Det (Pin 1), the collector to +Vcc (Pin 6), the emitter to one end of the 4.7K resistor and the other end of the resistor to ground. This forms the source follower buffer amp. There will be a DC offset of of 1 volt between the buffer out and the Env Det (Pin 2) so the 10uf cap will be used to isolate this. Connect the negative side of the cap to the emitter of the transistor and the positive side to the switch. Connect the other side of the switch to the Env Det (Pin 2). Place a 1Meg resistor across the switch contacts. This is to stabilize the DC offset while the switch is open so when it is closed it will not create a popping sound while the voltage differental balances out. Connect the negative side of the 100uf to ground and the positive side to the unused half of the switch. Connect the other side of the switch to the cosine error amp (Pin 5). Use the other 1 Meg resistor to connect between the switch contacts for DC stabilization also. To operate this you will switch to C-QuAM mode to tune, both sides of the switch are open and the chip operates in its native mode. Once tuned you will flip the switch to QuAM mode (Harris). The switch is necessary because synchronous detectors are create a lot of racket when the PLL that's driving them is not locked onto a signal. You could probably omit the switch altogether for digitally tuned receivers with an auto mute during tuning if you wanted the chip to operate in QuAM mode all the time. The Idea came from David Hershberger of Harris Broadcast Division in the book "AM Stereo & TV Stereo New Sound Demensions" by Stan Prentiss on page 81. His version used 5 transistors 2 op-amps and several resistors and capacitors to dematrix and rematrix the L & R and I Det outputs outside the chip. You will hardly be able to tell the difference between C-QuAM and Harris mode on good signal conditions i.e. no distortion correction in Harris mode for a C-QuAM signal. Under noisy conditions where the I Det goes negative and causes positive feedback for the cosine corrector amp under C-QuAM mode the noise (a loud crackle) can be very objectionable because this latch up is modulated into the L-R signal. Even in momo mode the synchronous I Det out performs the Env Det under noisy conditions. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu Nov 22 17:02:40 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 23 Nov 2001 01:02:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 4024 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2001 01:02:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2001 01:02:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.63) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2001 01:02:38 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jsgil@hal-pc.org Received: from [10.1.10.108] by n13.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Nov 2001 00:56:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 01:02:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Good news Message-ID: <9tk77g+cgac@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <9tjm7m+v98b@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1598 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.144 From: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Kevin T." <76362.2023@c...> wrote: > > The TM-152 works even better when used with one of Chris Cuff's > MC13028 decoder modules. The quality is excellent, even with weak > signals. > > The most technologically advanced C-Quam decoder chip is the MC13022. > It has all sorts of frills to improve reception and sound quality, > especially with weak signals. The Denon TU-680NAB and also some > Chrysler radios use the MC13022 chip and it sounds great. However, as > Chris has noted, the '022 is a bit complex to work with and requires > more circuitry. > > The MC13122 decoder is the same as the '022 but with AMAX audio > blanking added, however it does not appear that the '122 was ever put > into production. I don't know if the newer chips do full synchronous detection under noisy conditions for L+R just that it disables cosine correction for L-R. I have the data sheets for all the newer chips and it doesn't mention anything about full synchronous detection. I got into AM stereo in the mid th late 80's and became disinterested when most of the stations that I could receive switched back to mono. I haven't done anything with it since until I discovered all the web pages for AM Stereo. I may do some testing on the newer chips, that is if I can find a source. You can't find any info on Motorola's website on C-QuAM so I don't know if they are still manufacturering chips or not. The The MC 13020P preforms very well in synchronous detection mode, no noise artifacts to speek of. Very compareable to some of the MP3 samples I've downloaded. From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Thu Nov 22 18:10:38 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 23 Nov 2001 02:10:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 64868 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2001 02:10:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2001 02:10:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.71) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2001 02:10:36 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.113] by n21.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Nov 2001 02:06:34 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 02:10:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Good news Message-ID: <9tkb6o+6s30@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <9tic34+pcbh@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 862 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.67.17 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > AMAX is a good thing but cutting off the frequency at 10.2KHz for > daytime is too much. During daytime hours a +/-15KHz could be used > with no interference issues with adjacent stations and a narrower > bandwidth could be used for nightime like +/-7.5KHz. I agree that a wider audio bandwidth would be great, but unfortunately in many areas the AM band is just too crowded to allow it, even during daytime hours. Here in central NJ there are many daytime stations spaced only 10 kHz apart and if they all used 15 kHz audio bandwidth, the "splatter" would be just too much. The 50,000-watt Class A stations are generally well protected and could use the extra audio bandwidth during the day without much negative effects, but as most of these 50kW stations are news/talk/sports formats these days, the extra audio response would mostly be wasted. From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Thu Nov 22 19:03:58 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 23 Nov 2001 03:03:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 64080 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2001 03:03:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2001 03:03:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web13808.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.175.18) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2001 03:03:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20011123030352.14162.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.192.67.17] by web13808.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:03:52 PST Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:03:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: Delco AM Stereo radio w/o cassette To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-From: Kevin Tekel From: Kevin Tekel <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics This is interesting... it is a Delco radio from 1985 that is just a regular radio, with no cassette or graphic equalizer, that has AM Stereo: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=598117634 If that URL wraps around, just search for item number 598117634. If you look closely you can see the extra AM Stereo/Mono button to the left of the Scan button. I know Chrysler made a lot of basic-model radios with AM Stereo, but I thought Delco/GM only ever equipped their "fancy" radios with AM Stereo. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Thu Nov 22 20:05:45 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 23 Nov 2001 04:05:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 70139 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2001 04:05:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2001 04:05:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.68) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2001 04:05:44 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.65] by n18.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Nov 2001 04:05:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 04:05:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 900 CHML in Stereo? / power supply question Message-ID: <9tkhum+s4fg@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 791 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.67.17 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Right now I am getting an AM Stereo pilot from 900 CHML (Hamilton, Ontario). If this is just 'falsing', who else on 900 kHz is in Stereo? I am using my Blaupunkt Tucson car radio (from late '80s, with standard AM Stereo and wide/narrow bandwidth control), and it puzzles me. I have it hooked up to a cheap "wall wart" type power supply, rated at 12 VDC/1 amp, and there is absolutely no buzz or hum on the Blaupunkt -- AM reception is as clean as if it were powered by a battery. However, when I hook this same power supply up to my 1988 Chrysler AM Stereo car radio, there is 60/120 Hz hum in the audio (even on FM), and also a loud RF buzz on AM (like that of a dimmer switch). What gives? Why is this power supply 'clean' on the Blaupunkt and 'dirty' on the Chrysler? From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Thu Nov 22 21:49:48 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 23 Nov 2001 05:49:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 40175 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2001 05:49:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2001 05:49:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO siaag2aa.compuserve.com) (149.174.40.131) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2001 05:49:47 -0000 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaag2aa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.12) id AAA22345 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 00:49:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 00:48:37 -0500 Subject: MC13024 data sheet Sender: Kevin Tekel <76362.2023@compuserve.com> To: The AM Stereo Forum Message-ID: <200111230048_MC3-E802-30B6@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline From: Kevin Tekel <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics If anybody has the data sheet for the MC13024 decoder chip in PDF format, I would appreciate it if you could upload it to the Files section of the AM Stereo Forum web site. I will soon have data-sheets for all the chips available on the web site, and I just need the MC13024 data sheet to complete the collection. (And don't smirk -- despite its horrible reputation, the '024 really is an excellent chip, aside from its tendency to drop to mono. Unlike the other chips it is a self-contained radio and AM Stereo decoder so everything is perfectly matched. As a result the audio quality is excellent -- with a sufficiently wide IF bandwidth, it can rival the Denon TU-680NAB! With a little boost of the highs, my '024-based Japanese walkman sounds better than even a Sony SRF-A100.) =20 From n1ea@c4.com Thu Nov 22 21:50:18 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: n1ea@c4.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 23 Nov 2001 05:50:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 31801 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2001 05:50:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2001 05:50:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailrelay1.chek.com) (208.197.227.116) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2001 05:50:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 31725 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2001 05:50:12 -0000 Received: from meowmix.chek.com (208.197.227.10) by mailrelay1.chek.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2001 05:50:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 8415 invoked by uid 99); 23 Nov 2001 05:50:06 -0000 Date: 23 Nov 2001 05:50:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20011123055006.8413.qmail@meowmix.chek.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: [216.41.47.110] Subject: Re:{AMSF} 900 CHML in Stereo? / power supply question From: "David J Ring Jr" Only possible answers: Blaupunkt has integral shielding of the case [Faraday shield] and/or DC line filtering by a bypass cap to ground and/or RF choke in series with DC feed, and 'dirty' Chrysler doesn't spend the money to do things right - which probably explains the poor reception of one of my Chryslers on AM - I had to add filtering to DC line. 73 DR On Fri, 23 Nov 2001 04:05:42 -0000 "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> wrote: >Right now I am getting an AM Stereo pilot from 900 CHML (Hamilton, >Ontario). If this is just 'falsing', who else on 900 kHz is in >Stereo? > >I am using my Blaupunkt Tucson car radio (from late '80s, with >standard AM Stereo and wide/narrow bandwidth control), and it puzzles >me. I have it hooked up to a cheap "wall wart" type power supply, >rated at 12 VDC/1 amp, and there is absolutely no buzz or hum on the >Blaupunkt -- AM reception is as clean as if it were powered by a >battery. > >However, when I hook this same power supply up to my 1988 Chrysler >AM Stereo car radio, there is 60/120 Hz hum in the audio (even on FM), >and also a loud RF buzz on AM (like that of a dimmer switch). What >gives? Why is this power supply 'clean' on the Blaupunkt and 'dirty' >on the Chrysler? > > > >------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -------------------------------------------------- Totally Amazing Search Results - Just C4 Yourself! http://www.C4.com - Total Search Technology From n1ea@c4.com Thu Nov 22 21:55:47 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: n1ea@c4.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 23 Nov 2001 05:55:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 74023 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2001 05:55:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2001 05:55:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailrelay1.chek.com) (208.197.227.116) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2001 05:55:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 3429 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2001 05:55:44 -0000 Received: from fancyfeast.chek.com (208.197.227.100) by mailrelay1.chek.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2001 05:55:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 23979 invoked by uid 99); 23 Nov 2001 05:55:38 -0000 Date: 23 Nov 2001 05:55:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20011123055538.23978.qmail@fancyfeast.chek.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: [216.41.47.110] Subject: Re:{AMSF} Delco AM Stereo radio w/o cassette From: "David J Ring Jr" Isn't there a "fake plastic cassette" hole cover? Maybe the AMS button is "fake", too? DR On Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:03:52 -0800 (PST) Kevin Tekel <76362.2023@compuserve.com> wrote: >This is interesting... it is a Delco radio from 1985 that is just a regular >radio, with no cassette or graphic equalizer, that has AM Stereo: > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=598117634 > >If that URL wraps around, just search for item number 598117634. > >If you look closely you can see the extra AM Stereo/Mono button to the left >of the Scan button. > >I know Chrysler made a lot of basic-model radios with AM Stereo, but I >thought Delco/GM only ever equipped their "fancy" radios with AM Stereo. > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. >http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -------------------------------------------------- Totally Amazing Search Results - Just C4 Yourself! http://www.C4.com - Total Search Technology From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu Nov 22 22:08:07 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 23 Nov 2001 06:08:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 51283 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2001 06:08:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2001 06:08:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.53) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2001 06:08:04 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jsgil@hal-pc.org Received: from [10.1.10.105] by n3.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Nov 2001 06:08:04 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 06:08:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Good news Message-ID: <9tkp41+kqa0@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <9tkb6o+6s30@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1827 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.238 From: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Kevin T." <76362.2023@c...> wrote: > > I agree that a wider audio bandwidth would be great, but unfortunately > in many areas the AM band is just too crowded to allow it, even during > daytime hours. Here in central NJ there are many daytime stations > spaced only 10 kHz apart and if they all used 15 kHz audio bandwidth, > the "splatter" would be just too much. > > The 50,000-watt Class A stations are generally well protected and > could use the extra audio bandwidth during the day without much > negative effects, but as most of these 50kW stations are > news/talk/sports formats these days, the extra audio response would > mostly be wasted. Yea the east coast is probably more densely populated especially the northeast than the west or southwest where I live. Local stations out here are at least 30KHz apart. Some of the mp3 samples of Canadian stations like CJLS definitely sound like they are wider that 10KHz maybe to 15KHz. The spectrum analizer in WinAmp shows a lot of energy in the high frequency range. I guess a +/-10KHz ceramic filter would do it if it was a 4 element with a more gradual roll off than a 6 element. Post detection eqilization could be used to help boost those signals above 10KHz while maintaining good daytime selectivity. A 10KHz wide filter was what Motorola specified in one of their early conversions in the Stan Prentiss book. This would be for dual filter setup but for a single filter system a 7.5KHz filter works well. During moderate interference tone controls can always be use to suppress the higher frequencies but if the interference gets bad enough to cause alot of envelope detector distortion then you are going to need a much narrower filter like +/- 3-4.5KHz and under those conditions stereo reception would not be worthwhile. From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Nov 23 01:15:12 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 23 Nov 2001 09:15:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 87239 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2001 09:15:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2001 09:15:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2001 09:15:10 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.25]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.6.188) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 04:11:41 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01c173fe$c192df00$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <20011123055538.23978.qmail@fancyfeast.chek.com> Subject: Re: Re:{AMSF} Delco AM Stereo radio w/o cassette Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 04:10:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 This is for real- it is a VERY rare radio. The blank "fake cassette" panel was used on all the "el cheapo" radios, BUT.. the 1985 Buick was the first full production car that was given AM stereo as an option in the GM line, where as most Chrysler 1985 cars all had it. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: David J Ring Jr To: Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 12:55 AM Subject: Re:{AMSF} Delco AM Stereo radio w/o cassette From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Nov 23 01:18:53 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 23 Nov 2001 09:18:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 48474 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2001 09:18:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2001 09:18:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2001 09:18:52 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.25]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.6.188) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 04:15:23 -0500 Message-ID: <001501c173ff$45bdb5c0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <200111230048_MC3-E802-30B6@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} MC13024 data sheet Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 04:14:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I have grown to *like* the MC13024- when wired for forced stereo, it is an excellent performer. The LED still works correctly too- soft for "in tune" and bright for stereo.. except ALL stations become stereo! I have the designers book for this chip, sent to me by Motorola in 1993, and it is a wonderful guide. I gotta get a scanner.... they have them for $6.99 at staples after rebate, so I guess it's time.... :-) CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Tekel <76362.2023@compuserve.com> To: The AM Stereo Forum Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 12:48 AM Subject: {AMSF} MC13024 data sheet > If anybody has the data sheet for the MC13024 From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Nov 23 01:22:53 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 23 Nov 2001 09:22:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 37128 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2001 09:22:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2001 09:22:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2001 09:22:52 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.25]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.6.188) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 04:19:23 -0500 Message-ID: <002301c173ff$d4b57100$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <9tkhum+s4fg@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} 900 CHML in Stereo? / power supply question Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 04:18:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I am also getting a pilot on CHML- and this is with the RAS- a radio that is VERY fussy about stereo conditions. I frequently have to set it to WFAN, and then quick switch it to a suspect station to trigger it. But Wednesday AM, about 5:30, I kept a solid pilot for a long time, before 890 started to play havoc with it. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. <76362.2023@compuserve.com> From jsgil@hal-pc.org Fri Nov 23 12:49:39 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 23 Nov 2001 20:49:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 43094 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2001 20:49:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2001 20:49:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.64) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2001 20:49:38 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jsgil@hal-pc.org Received: from [10.1.4.24] by n14.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Nov 2001 20:50:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 20:49:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: MC13024 data sheet Message-ID: <9tmcov+hlpt@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <200111230048_MC3-E802-30B6@compuserve.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1337 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.246 From: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., Kevin Tekel <76362.2023@c...> wrote: > If anybody has the data sheet for the MC13024 decoder chip in PDF format, I > would appreciate it if you could upload it to the Files section of the AM > Stereo Forum web site. I will soon have data-sheets for all the chips > available on the web site, and I just need the MC13024 data sheet to > complete the collection. > > (And don't smirk -- despite its horrible reputation, the '024 really is an > excellent chip, aside from its tendency to drop to mono. Unlike the other > chips it is a self-contained radio and AM Stereo decoder so everything is > perfectly matched. As a result the audio quality is excellent -- with a > sufficiently wide IF bandwidth, it can rival the Denon TU-680NAB! With a > little boost of the highs, my '024-based Japanese walkman sounds better > than even a Sony SRF-A100.) I went back and looked in my archives too see if I had this one but it seems that this is one I don't have. I thought I grabbed every one off their site related to C-QuAM so I'm wondering if the PDF ever existed in the first place. The ones I do have are MC13020R, MC13022A, MC13022R, MC13025R, MC13027R, MC13028A & MC13029A. If I have any that you don't have then let me know so I can upload them. I'd upload all that I have but I have a slow connection. From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Nov 23 12:56:59 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 23 Nov 2001 20:56:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 42512 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2001 20:56:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2001 20:56:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2001 20:56:57 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.36]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.6.188) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 15:53:28 -0500 Message-ID: <004201c17460$cacd0200$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <9tmcov+hlpt@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: MC13024 data sheet Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 15:52:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I do have the data sheet, but also suffer from the slow server problem. I can take it to work and send it from there, as we have a T1 line there. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 3:49 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: MC13024 data sheet > I went back and looked in my archives too see if I had this one but it > seems that this is one I don't have. From dav259@minerals.csiro.au Fri Nov 23 18:08:34 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@minerals.csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 24 Nov 2001 02:08:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 1550 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2001 02:08:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2001 02:08:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2001 02:08:31 -0000 Received: from mineng (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03575 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 13:08:29 +1100 (EST) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 13:08:29 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} MC13024 data sheet In-Reply-To: <001501c173ff$45bdb5c0$0101a8c0@pavilion> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Fri, 23 Nov 2001, Christopher Cuff wrote: > I have grown to *like* the MC13024- when wired for forced stereo, it is an > excellent performer. The LED still works correctly too- soft for "in tune" > and bright for stereo .. except ALL stations become stereo! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris - have you had too much turkey? I know your enthusistic but please explain!! Surely you mean fuller sounding mono. From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Fri Nov 23 18:22:26 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 24 Nov 2001 02:22:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 39232 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2001 02:22:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2001 02:22:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.58) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2001 02:22:25 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.114] by n8.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2001 02:22:12 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 02:20:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 900 CHML in Stereo? / power supply question Message-ID: <9tn05r+10u8j@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <002301c173ff$d4b57100$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1345 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.38 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I am also getting a pilot on CHML- and this is with the RAS- a > radio that is VERY fussy about stereo conditions. I frequently have > to set it to WFAN, and then quick switch it to a suspect station to > trigger it. But Wednesday AM, about 5:30, I kept a solid pilot for > a long time, before 890 started to play havoc with it. That Chrysler radio probably uses the MC13022 chip, which Motorola describes as having a "Noise immune pilot detector". It will only respond to pilot tones in the range of 24.4 to 25.6 Hz, which is rather narrow compared to the pilot activation range of other chips (such as the Toshiba TA8124, which pops into Stereo with just about any pilot tone between 10 and 50 Hz!). Another odd thing about Chrysler radios with the MC13022 chip is that on strong stations, it will pop into Stereo almost instantly, but the "ST" indicator doesn't light up until after the normal half-second delay (so you are hearing Stereo *before* the "ST" lights up). Conversely, on weak signals the "ST" may light up but the audio will remain in mono due to the "stereo blend" feature. BTW, the MC13022 can be run in Forced Stereo mode by applying Vcc to pin 17 through a 22k resistor (leave the existing 10 uF capacitor on pin 17 in place). A similar method can be used on pin 23 to disable the Stereo Blend feature. From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Sat Nov 24 15:14:07 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 24 Nov 2001 23:14:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 13167 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2001 23:14:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2001 23:14:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.72) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2001 23:14:05 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.104] by n22.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2001 23:14:05 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 23:14:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Sony SRF-A100 -> MC13028 Message-ID: <9tp9jr+8qe0@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1071 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.83.38 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics With a little help from the service manual, I have just finished adding an MC13028 decoder to my Sony SRF-A100... and as expected, the results are fantastic! You get the same excellent wide bandwidth, with the added benefit of true C-Quam decoding for wider separation, lower distortion, and fuller bass response. The conversion is actually quite easy... the back cover of the 'A100 comes off easily, and there is just enough space in a corner of the case (on top of one of the speaker magnets) to fit in the MC13028 decoder board. On the rectangular outlined area of the A100's built-in multi-system Stereo decoder module, Pin 1 is the 450 kHz IF signal, and Pin 9 is the B+ supply. Find a ground and you are ready to go! The wide/narrow bandwidth selection will remain functional, and with a little trick you can even run the '028 decoder in Forced Stereo mode. With a little handwork, you can install a separate headphone output and Stereo indicator for the '028 decoder, so that way the original multi-system decoder will remain fully functional. From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Sun Nov 25 16:12:50 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 26 Nov 2001 00:12:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 74573 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2001 00:12:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2001 00:12:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.57) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2001 00:12:48 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.120] by n7.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2001 00:12:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 00:12:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: XM = eXtra Mono? Message-ID: <9ts1ds+77t2@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2205 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.29 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I just got the brochure for XM satellite radio and I noticed it never mentions the word "stereo"! Just "digital-quality sound", whatever that means. Does anybody know for sure whether or not at least the music channels on XM are in stereo? I've also heard it uses a bit rate of only 40 kbps per channel... that's just barely enough for decent mono sound, but try Stereo at 40 kbps and it will sound pretty ratty -- about the same as a stereo RealAudio webcast on a 56K modem... unless they meant 40 kbps per *audio* channel, in which case a Stereo channel would be 80 kbps -- just *barely* enough for acceptable Stereo music, as long as they use an efficient codec like RealAudio 8.0 or MP4/AAC. (On the other hand, IBOC DAB uses MP2 -- even older than MP3 -- and at the proposed 92 kbps rate for IBOC-AM it is reported to sound pretty bad.) Anyway, I feel sorry for anybody who spends the $400 on an XM radio... I predict it won't last long, just like the other satellite radio/music service that was around a couple years ago. Eventually the FCC will come to its senses and allocate the same UHF "L band" for local digital broadcasting that everybody else in the world is already using, and that will become the new preferred choice for radio listening. At that point, FM will become all LPFM, for small local stations, and AM will be considerably thinned out but the big news/talk stations and tiny community stations will remain, in AM Stereo where available! Oh, and as for analog TV, it will be around for many, many years to come. Americans have taken cheap TV sets and free on-air TV channels for granted, and even if the prices are slashed in half, HDTV will still be too expensive "for the masses". OTOH, there are countries where England where you have to pay the "telly tax" even for regular TV, so they actually managed a 100% transition from low-quality VHF to high-quality UHF without much fuss or delays. BTW, I believe France and Japan used to have *analog* HDTV systems, but unfortunately these have been discontinued... the French system was 819 lines of resolution -- even better than the resolution of our new digital HDTV system (720 lines)! From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sun Nov 25 23:21:50 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 26 Nov 2001 07:21:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 20047 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2001 07:21:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2001 07:21:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.58) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2001 07:21:45 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jsgil@hal-pc.org Received: from [10.1.4.65] by n8.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2001 07:21:45 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 07:21:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: XM = eXtra Mono? Message-ID: <9tsqi8+68cs@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <9ts1ds+77t2@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5756 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.68 From: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Kevin T." <76362.2023@c...> wrote: > I just got the brochure for XM satellite radio and I noticed it never > mentions the word "stereo"! Just "digital-quality sound", whatever > that means. Does anybody know for sure whether or not at least the > music channels on XM are in stereo? > > I've also heard it uses a bit rate of only 40 kbps per channel... > that's just barely enough for decent mono sound, but try Stereo at 40 > kbps and it will sound pretty ratty -- about the same as a stereo > RealAudio webcast on a 56K modem... unless they meant 40 kbps per > *audio* channel, in which case a Stereo channel would be 80 kbps -- > just *barely* enough for acceptable Stereo music, as long as they use > an efficient codec like RealAudio 8.0 or MP4/AAC. (On the other hand, > IBOC DAB uses MP2 -- even older than MP3 -- and at the proposed 92 > kbps rate for IBOC-AM it is reported to sound pretty bad.) > They're going to have to get the bitrate up to at least 128Kbps in stereo and 64Kbps in mono if they use MP3 and that's if you use VBR and joint stereo. Fraunhoffer supposedly has been able to cut the bitrate in half and still retain the same quality with their Pro MP3 format but I'll have to hear this to believe it. But if you want to see the latest in audio compression go to http://www.xiph.org/ogg/vorbis/index.html for The Ogg Vorbis project. The technology uses wavelets to do compression which is something none of the others use. > Anyway, I feel sorry for anybody who spends the $400 on an XM radio... > I predict it won't last long, just like the other satellite > radio/music service that was around a couple years ago. Eventually > the FCC will come to its senses and allocate the same UHF "L band" for > local digital broadcasting that everybody else in the world is already > using, and that will become the new preferred choice for radio > listening. All this IBOC broadcasting will just trash up the AM band especially. Stations already overlap as it is and will probably add digital noise to an adjacent station. In my area I hear a lot of digital type of noise as I tune across the dial that didn't used to be there. My computers may contribute some but I keep the reciever at least 20ft away from my computers. Reception of distant stations have been poor where 5yrs ago they sounded good. >At that point, FM will become all LPFM, for small local > stations, and AM will be considerably thinned out but the big > news/talk stations and tiny community stations will remain, in AM > Stereo where available! > It would be nice to see the local stations returned to the community to whom they really belong. Micro Broadcasting for community service since none of the stations seen to fulfill their obligation as required by the FCC. I dout I will see this in my lifetime though as money talks and ** walks. > Oh, and as for analog TV, it will be around for many, many years to > come. Americans have taken cheap TV sets and free on-air TV channels > for granted, and even if the prices are slashed in half, HDTV will > still be too expensive "for the masses". OTOH, there are countries > where England where you have to pay the "telly tax" even for regular > TV, so they actually managed a 100% transition from low-quality VHF to > high-quality UHF without much fuss or delays. > When TV first came on the scene it was unique and had no competition for its kind. Even though radio existed the visual extra was enough to sell people on the idea. Now it's much like the situation with Micro$oft where their biggest competitor is their own installed base. Who needs XP when 98 does 98% of what you need for 98% of the people. XP is not flying off the shelves the way 95 did and so will be true for HDTV. The only selling point for HDTV is for 16:9 wide format movies and what's coming out of hollywood lately has been poor at that. Why do you need to watch the news, sitcoms, talk shows or whatever the usual programming on HDTV when NTSC does a fair job of it. You would have to be a movie-holic to justify buying one. The average consumer just doesn't have the disposeable income to buy one. The price would have to be no more than 30% the cost of a regular TV before it will be adopted by the masses. In a way this kind of applies to AM Stereo but it would have of been the quality of programming that would drive the adoption as AM sometimes is a proving ground for a new format. In my area the 1st classic rock staion in the nation was started (so they claimed) and was broadcasting in C-QuAM AM Stereo and the programming was great, not something to set your watch by. It took enough audience away from the FM band even though the sound quality of FM recievers were vastly superior to any AM radio that a classic rock station was started on FM. As typical as FM programming is the format wasn't great as they would play the same song at the same time everyday but it was a classic rock station on FM and enough to `capture' most of the listeners from the AM station. I think if the FCC would of done the right thing in choosing a standard, maybe not any one of the standards but a combination of the best ideas of all systems to produce the best sound it would of probably take off. This `let the marketplace decide' has resulted in Kahn and Motorola duking it out leaving a bitter taste in everybodies mouths, enough to allow this inferrior IBOC technology to step in and try to take over. > BTW, I believe France and Japan used to have *analog* HDTV systems, > but unfortunately these have been discontinued... the French system > was 819 lines of resolution -- even better than the resolution of our > new digital HDTV system (720 lines)! From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Nov 26 01:44:05 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 26 Nov 2001 09:44:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 71267 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2001 09:44:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2001 09:44:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2001 09:44:03 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.35]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.6.188) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 04:40:47 -0500 Message-ID: <00ce01c1765e$494ef800$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <9ts1ds+77t2@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM = eXtra Mono? Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 04:39:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Interesting..... I listened to the XM display at the local RS, but didn't even think to listen for separation.... I don't *think* there was any! The clerk told me there was virtually Zero interest in their kiosk, and most of the time, it is off. It is pushed back in the corner. He didn't know when radios would be coming in. "No one has asked for them yet" heh heh... cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. <76362.2023@compuserve.com> To: Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 7:12 PM Subject: {AMSF} XM = eXtra Mono? > I just got the brochure for XM satellite radio and I noticed it never > mentions the word "stereo"! From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Mon Nov 26 15:32:46 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 26 Nov 2001 23:32:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 31992 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2001 23:32:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2001 23:32:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.81) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2001 23:32:44 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.63] by n31.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2001 23:32:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:32:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: XM = eXtra Mono? Message-ID: <9tujeq+a55n@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <9tsqi8+68cs@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3415 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.137 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Some investigation reveals that the XM system has a total bandwidth of 4 MHz to operate in. The modulation type they use is good for about 1 megabit per second per hertz, and if you do the fancy math that works out to a total bit-rate of 4096 kilobits per second (kbps) for the *entire* service. If you split that into XM's 101 channels (100 content channels plus one preview channel), that works out to an average of 40.55 kbps per channel. Now, if they're smart, the music channels will get more bandwidth than the news/talk channels, so they might be able to squeeze 48 kbps to the music channels and 24 kbps to the talk channels. With efficient encoding like MP4/AAC, 24 kbps is just barely enough for acceptable quality mono, and 48 kbps is the same as used by the Lucent IBOC-AM system, which claims a stereo audio bandwidth of 12 kHz. The latest version of RealAudio also uses a very efficient codec (probably AAC), and at the available rate of 44 kbps, it is pretty good in Stereo, however it never loses that "metallic tinge" to the sound -- it seems that RealAudio is "self-sacrificing", that is, it degrades the total quality of the sound rather than let you hear specific audio "artifacts", such as with MP3. Thus, you can clearly tell that there's something "not right" with the audio, however you can't quite put your finger on it, and it's less objectionable than low-bitrate MP3 audio. It tends to have a "congested" sound, and the stereo separation is not very distinct because with the lower bit-rates, RealAudio chops off the L-R audio at 3.5 kHz! This can lead to some very strange effects if the high frequencies are even slightly out-of-phase, causing them to be partially cancelled, resulting in an "underwater" sound. Certainly, as mentioned significant advances have been made to MP3 and also Ogg Vorbis, but neither is quite up to the demands of low-bitrate streaming audio. Even the original RealAudio format, which was the first "lossy" compression format to feature Stereo capability (circa 1996), is more efficient than MP3 -- original RealAudio at 80 kbps provides 16 kHz audio bandwidth with acceptable quality on most audio, *without* the use of Joint Stereo or any other tricks to the L-R component. MP3 relies mostly on Joint Stereo for its efficiency, including "Intensity Stereo" at the lower bit-rates which converts high frequences to mono and then simply gives them a direction vector within the left-to-right audio space, resulting in a bit of a "chattery" sound quality. Without these Joint Stereo tricks, MP3 plain Stereo at 80 kbps can barely contain 10 kHz of audio response, not even close to the 16 kHz of original RealAudio. ANYway... even with the best digital formats, XM can't even come close to the quality it would have if it used AM Stereo! Then that same 4 MHz bandwidth would divide into a 39.6 kHz spectrum space for each channel -- more than enough to fit at least 19.5 kHz of CD-quality C-Quam AM Stereo audio without any "splatter" onto adjacent channels! By the way... don't even bother with the Yamaha VQF format. It is total garbage. Not only is the supplied encoder slower than molasses (even on a 333 MHz Cyrix M-II), the maximum bit-rate is 96 kbps and it sounds like rubbish... especially since with "difficult-to-encode" audio, it reduces the Stereo separation to a pathetic 6 dB!! From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Nov 26 20:30:56 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 27 Nov 2001 04:30:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 4659 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2001 04:30:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2001 04:30:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2001 04:30:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20011127043053.99959.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.69] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:30:53 PST Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:30:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: Christmas; Bose-o's; K.C.? To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Must be a new Clear Channel stunt ("how we serve the public" PR stunt) as WRVF-FM is running Christmas music 24/7 since they bought-out a little suburban ma&pa station (WTTF-FM / WCKY-FM) that used to be Christmas from Thanksgiving to Christmas each year; but in typical ClearChannel fashion, it's automated with the same 100 songs over and over again. Too bad that they can't flip the stereo back on at WSPD-AM and play the music on overnights. I'm continuing to mail the postage-paid BOSE order forms back to them requesting AM Stereo for the 'classical music station in Kansas City' - so nice of the BOSE BOZOs to pay for the postage! Chris - how are thinkgs with the K.C. folks? Any of your radios in circulation yet? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Nov 27 08:12:15 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 27 Nov 2001 16:12:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 368 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2001 16:12:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2001 16:12:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.53) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2001 16:12:11 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jsgil@hal-pc.org Received: from [10.1.10.114] by n3.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2001 16:12:11 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:12:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: DAB & IBOC Message-ID: <9u0e0p+rm2c@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2095 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.234 From: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst In surfing I ran across info about DAB and IBOC and possibly the reason why this digital stuff is being pushed so hard by broadcasters. To sum it up broadcasters don't want radio to be free, they want to force the sundowning of all all analog AM and FM broadcasting so you will have to buy a digital receiver and pay a monthy fee in order to receive any audio at all. They don't want to use a separate band for DAB like Eureka beacuse they don't want competition from the analog side. This may be why the programming is so crummy also. Add in the interference to analog receptoin from IBOC along with bad programming and this will make digital look pretty good compared to analog. This whole move is to give the broadcasters control over who can and cannot listen based on who pays or not, something they can't do with analog. Once they have captured the listening audience away from analog and turned them off the programming will go down the drain like it has with cable and satelite TV. As for AM Stereo the IBOC broadcasting will put trash in the higher fequencies making stereo reception poor at best. For broadcasters wanting to move to digital, AM Stereo is probably seen as a direct competition to their goals. They don't want another technology that will bring higher fidelity to the AM band where they can't control listener access through subscription fees. I don't know if the owners of XM satelite technology like Sirius and the other one are in direct competion with broadcast radio or are one in the same but if they are separate this would be competition to the existing radio markets and may be forcing local broadcasters to adopt a similar strategy in order to compete for listeners. Here is the link to the site http://www.digitaldisaster.org but I think it points to this http://members.aol.com/deathurbia/indexdigitaldisaster.html so both links will probably get you there. There is also a lot of info on radio at http://radio.about.com and http://pirateradio.about.com that might be interesting to read also. From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Tue Nov 27 20:26:03 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 28 Nov 2001 04:25:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 33622 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2001 04:25:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2001 04:25:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.75) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2001 04:26:01 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.29] by n25.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2001 04:25:27 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 04:25:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: blame it on Yahoo Message-ID: <9u1p0n+u8ll@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 716 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 128.6.247.144 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Yahoo Groups appears to be having serious trouble with their service right now, and if this message even makes it I will be pleasantly surprised (as most of the time it "forgets" who I am and keeps asking me to log in again). So sorry for the inconvenience if any of you send in messages to this group and they somehow get lost. In other news, I am happy to note that The AM Stereo Forum is now officially linked at the AM Stereo web site (www.amstereoradio.com), so we should be getting more visitors and hopefully more contributors as well. This Forum has an open participation policy so everybody is free to read and post messages without waiting for any sort of membership or "moderator" approval. From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Tue Nov 27 20:35:03 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 28 Nov 2001 04:35:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 60033 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2001 04:35:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2001 04:35:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.51) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2001 04:35:01 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.132] by n1.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2001 04:34:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 04:34:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: blame it on Yahoo Message-ID: <9u1ph9+k43i@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <9u1p0n+u8ll@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 880 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 165.230.240.115 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics As expected, the minuted I mentioned the problems, Yahoo Groups now appear to be working perfectly again. Still, I hope any of you weren't as fed up with Yahoo as I was for the past half hour in which it was totally screwed up! And I have news even happier than the fact that Yahoo is working again, courtesy of Chris: From: Christopher Tarr To: ccuff@amstereoradio.com Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 7:33 PM Subject: Comment from the amstereoradio.com website Hi Chris! I'm pleased to let you know that WKKD (1580) Aurora, IL is now in stereo. I finished the final work at the transmitter plant, and "hit the switch"! Though the CNN Radio feed is in mono, all of our local production is in stereo. We are currently using the CRL processing units, and it sounds wonderful! Thanks for a wonderful site! Chris Tarr Chief Engineer NextMedia/Joliet, IL From n0uiheric@aol.com Tue Nov 27 22:35:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 28 Nov 2001 06:35:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 78322 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2001 06:35:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2001 06:35:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r09.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.105) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2001 06:35:34 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.131.54ccb15 (3850) for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 01:35:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <131.54ccb15.2935dfa8@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 01:35:20 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} DAB & IBOC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih I strongly believe that DAB and IBOC will lead to even more layoffs in the broadcast industry. Since the Telecom Act went into effect in 1996, over 11,000 dedicated radio professionals have lost their jobs. Thousands more jobs will go under the IBOC-DAB plan. Take a look at St. Louis, for instance. IBOC will force most of the AMs and non-commercial FMs off the air, along with the low-power FMs. St. Louis will only have one AM station (KMOX 1120) and two non-commercial FMs (KWMU 90.7 and KSIV-FM 91.5). Only the FMs with full Class B/C2 and C1/C0/C facilities. Several smaller cities would lose radio service altogether. If you own an independent station (especially one broadcasting in AM Stereo), I would highly recommend running the anti-IBOC PSAs that are linked on the Digital Disaster Web site. I've been running them on my show on WSIE 88.7 during my Friday night Jazz show. I plan to distribute these PSAs in the St. Louis area before year's end. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://members.aol.com/n0uiheric/TurnOffClearChannel.html http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/turnoffclearchannel From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Nov 28 20:36:13 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 29 Nov 2001 04:36:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 60270 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2001 04:36:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2001 04:36:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14205.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.151) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2001 04:36:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20011129043611.31841.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.41] by web14205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:36:11 PST Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:36:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: Chrysler Still Putting AMS in 2001 Vehicles To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" , OLD "AM Stereo" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I can also confirm after riding in both one 2001 PT Cruiser and in two different Dodge Durango 4x4's that all 3 of them had AMS / FMS / CD / Cassette units - and the PT Cruiser's radio was similar to the RAZ but had much more rounded corners. Both models had the 3-equalizer slide levels. According to the 2002 literature there is an AMS radio available as well, so Chrysler IS STILL PUTTING AMS receivers into the hands of the general public. The dream remains alive. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Wed Nov 28 21:35:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 72031 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2001 05:35:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2001 05:35:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.77) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2001 05:35:06 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [10.1.10.125] by n27.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2001 05:35:00 -0000 Date: 29 Nov 2001 05:34:59 -0000 Message-ID: <1007012099.7262.57881.w47@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Notify: From: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /bts1-1.pdf Uploaded by : 76362.2023@compuserve.com Description : PDF file containing the text of Canada's official selection of C-Quam as their AM Stereo broadcasting standard, on February 6, 1988. You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/bts1-1.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, 76362.2023@compuserve.com From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Wed Nov 28 21:41:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 87301 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2001 05:41:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2001 05:41:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.60) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2001 05:41:57 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [10.1.10.117] by n10.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2001 05:41:56 -0000 Date: 29 Nov 2001 05:41:54 -0000 Message-ID: <1007012514.46741.40438.w39@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Notify: From: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /Bts1-2.pdf Uploaded by : 76362.2023@compuserve.com Description : PDF file containing the details on Canada's official adoption of the NRSC AM transmitter audio standards (10 kHz limit, 75 us pre-emphasis) in November 1989. (Note: the FCC didn't officially require the NRSC regulations to be used on U.S. stations until 1994, although most stations voluntarily followed the standards after they were created in 1988.) You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/Bts1-2.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, 76362.2023@compuserve.com From watan-ko@rtri.or.jp Wed Nov 28 22:49:34 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: watan-ko@rtri.or.jp X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 29 Nov 2001 06:49:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 66590 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2001 06:49:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2001 06:49:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.58) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2001 06:49:32 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: watan-ko@rtri.or.jp Received: from [10.1.10.112] by n8.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2001 06:49:31 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 06:49:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: The radio that I used to record AMS station in Japan Message-ID: <9u4lpn+o0j6@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <9thkvk+b7vv@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 447 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 210.254.18.69 From: watan-ko@rtri.or.jp X-Yahoo-Profile: irukero Dear Kevin, > By the way, what brand and model of radio did you use to make this > recording? Sorry for the slow response. I forgot telling you about the radio I used. I used Sony SRF-M100 portable radio and it's Japanese domestic model. It uses CX-857 decoder IC made by Sony. It's a little tricky IC, for the phase of the sound sometimes rotates. I will upload some other AM stereo stations in Japan soon. Thank you for your interest! From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Thu Nov 29 17:26:44 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 30 Nov 2001 01:26:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 15911 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2001 01:26:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2001 01:26:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.58) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2001 01:26:42 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.2.11] by n8.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2001 01:26:39 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 01:26:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: The radio that I used to record AMS station in Japan Message-ID: <9u6n89+10pm5@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <9u4lpn+o0j6@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 281 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.175 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I will upload some other AM stereo stations in Japan soon. Thank > you for your interest! I've love to hear them, especially if you have any of stations playing music. Just wondering... have you ever "DXed" any AM Stereo at night from other countries, like Korea or Taiwan? From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Thu Nov 29 17:41:58 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 30 Nov 2001 01:41:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 33586 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2001 01:41:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2001 01:41:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.74) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2001 01:41:57 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.4.68] by n24.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2001 01:41:56 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 01:41:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: XM complaints already Message-ID: <9u6o52+e4b4@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 665 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.175 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics This is from the alt.radio.digital newsgroup: >>>> I bought my XM unit the day it came out in this part of the country. I am returning it Monday. In fact, I am going to miss it. But the sound is so bad sometimes, it is unforgiveable. It sounds like an internet streaming broadcast. It wasn't worth the money I paid for equipment. I mainly listen to the Top 20 on 20 channel, and some of my favorite songs sound like crap. The static in the background drives me crazy. I am a huge supporter of XM, and assume things may get better with the second-generation equipment. It did with Satellite TV. (I know it's a different ball of wax though.) <<<< From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Thu Nov 29 19:34:37 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 30 Nov 2001 03:34:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 4528 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2001 03:34:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2001 03:34:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.78) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2001 03:34:35 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.2.91] by n28.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2001 03:34:34 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 03:34:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: MetroSound equalization Message-ID: <9u6uo7+8tn9@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2136 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.175 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Thanks to a frequency response graph of the Murata SFG450F ceramic filter, which the MetroSound uses, I have been able to determine the proper audio equalization curve for obtaining a flat frequency response with this radio or any other that uses the SFG450F filter. The SFG450F filter is flat in response to 6 kHz and then starts dropping off, until it is at -18.5 dB at 10 kHz. But... this is without NRSC pre-emphasis. Add in the pre-emphasis that all AM stations use, and it results in an unnatural boost of the mid-range from about 3 to 7 kHz. This affects a lot of wide-bandwidth AM radios that use ceramic filters (including the Sony SRF-42) -- you turn up the treble to get a nice crisp high end, but that ends up making the mid-range harsh and tinny-sounding. The solution is to *reduce* the response of the mid-range, while keeping the high end boost. That provides a flatter frequency response for a more natural sound. So, for those of you with MetroSound AMS 400 converters, if you have a graphic equalizer, set it as follows to restore flat frequency response up to 10 kHz: below 1 kHz = adjust bass response to personal preference 1 kHz = -0.5 dB \ 2 kHz = -2.0 dB \ 3 kHz = -3.5 dB \ 4 kHz = -4.5 dB > cut to reduce mid-range harshness 5 kHz = -5.0 dB / 6 kHz = -5.0 dB / 7 kHz = -3.0 dB / 8 kHz = 0 dB (no boost or cut) 9 kHz = +5.0 dB \ 10 kHz = +8.5 dB / high end boost Obviously, unless you have a very fancy equalizer, you are not going to be able to precisely adjust all those 1 kHz steps, but use that chart as a guideline. For example, for a typical 5-band graphic equalizer, the settings would be: 60 Hz = personal preference 250 Hz = 0 dB or personal preference 1 kHz = -0.5 dB 3.5 kHz = -4.0 dB 10 kHz = +8.5 dB Chrysler AM Stereo radios (up until the narrow-bandwidth "RAZ") also suffer from this mid-range "harshness" -- pretty bad in fact -- so if you're lucky enough to have one with a built-in 5-band graphic equalizer, you can make similar adjustments to improve its sound. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Nov 29 20:44:06 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 30 Nov 2001 04:44:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 25551 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2001 04:44:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2001 04:44:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11708.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.74) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2001 04:44:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20011130044401.92287.qmail@web11708.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.80.146.45] by web11708.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 20:44:01 PST Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 20:44:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1005354844.497717.8611.w33@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Why is it that whenever I try to play this using Windows Media Player, it says "Data is Invalid"??? Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From dav259@minerals.csiro.au Thu Nov 29 21:47:37 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@minerals.csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 30 Nov 2001 05:47:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 99211 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2001 05:47:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2001 05:47:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2001 05:47:36 -0000 Received: from mineng (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA25700; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:47:29 +1100 (EST) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:47:29 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: iaaas list , amstereoforum Cc: David McKay Subject: help messages needed Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 It is now 12 months since 1377 Easy Music 3MP has been effectively in mono. ie. stereo pilot on - no separation. I've managed to get a letter mentioning this in both our daily newspapers' weekly TV/radio guides in the last two days. Could some of you please send a brief e-mail to Steve Robinson - the General Manager of the recently merged 3AK/3MP. srobinson@3ak.com.au It needs to say some of the following (in your own words) ... - 3MP has broadcast in AMS with no breaks or problems from February 1985 till 12 months ago (arguably it was the consistently best AMS station in Australia) - it is one of the only two 24/7 music stations on Melbourne's AM band (the other three commercial AM stations are talk and sport - all stereo) - the other AM music station is Magic 693 which has been in AMS since its inception in 1994 - and it sounds great - the trouble according to Peter Tarnawski (3MP station manager) is minor and between the Frankson studio and the Roweville transmitter - if you'd like to put a suburb after your name take your pick from Brunswick, Brighton, Sunshine, Fitzroy, Carlton, Richmond, Oakleigh, Seaford, Geelong, Mornington TO: srobinson@3ak.com.au - - - - - - - - - - - - eg1. Bring back the stereo I saw a letter to the Green Guide requesting 3MP return to stereo. I couldn't agree more. Please bring it back a s a p. - - - - - - - - - - - - eg2. 3MP Stereo Reception I agree with the letter in the Herald Sun Guide. 3MP sounded great in stereo for many years. Please fix this transmission problem. - - - - - - - - - - - - eg3. AM stereo 3MP has now been in mono (stereo pilot on) for one year. Please bring back the full separation that we enjoyed for 15 years. - - - - - - - - - - - - thanks! in anticipation Ian - Melbourne From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu Nov 29 22:16:11 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 30 Nov 2001 06:16:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 27756 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2001 06:16:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2001 06:16:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.52) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2001 06:16:10 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jsgil@hal-pc.org Received: from [10.1.10.105] by n2.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2001 06:16:10 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 06:16:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Ceramic Filters Message-ID: <9u7878+ntba@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1629 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.99 From: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst While we're on the subject on filters... I you have an old cordless phone of the analog type that operated in the 50MHz range there are ceramic filters in both the headset and base. Most of them are centered around 455KHz. I you have an older receiver that uses 455KHz instead of 450KHz and you want to widen the IF then these phones can be a good source for these filters. Most if not all the newer DTR receivers use 450KHz but the older analog style that uses a mechanical tuning capacitor will have a 455KHz IF.  These are not the Gaussian type with a G.D.T. flat response though but are most likely Butterworth. These make excellent filters for mono and probably wouldn't do to bad for stereo. They would also be excellent for linear QuAM reception as in the Harris System. Most of them are manufactured by muRata but I have seen Toko and Kyocera models too. Most of them will have a bandwidth of +/-7.5KHz but a few may be +/-6KHz and most all will be the 6 element type. The muRata model # is CFW455E for 7.5KHz and CFW455F for 6KHz. The number printed on the part will look something like this: @55E or @55F , where the '@' symbol is probably an 'm' with a circle around it. The muRata ones and probably the other brands will have a input and output load impedance of 1.5 KOhms. I don't know anybody in my area who sells any of these types of these filters and they have been hard to come by. These phones have been a qood source for them. These cordless phones usually break after a couple of years so there will probably be someone that wuold be happy to donate their broken cordless phone parts. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Fri Nov 30 02:56:04 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 30 Nov 2001 10:56:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 88919 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2001 10:56:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2001 10:56:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.63) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2001 10:56:03 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jsgil@hal-pc.org Received: from [10.1.10.63] by n13.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2001 10:49:04 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:55:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum Message-ID: <9u7ojv+81ij@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <20011130044401.92287.qmail@web11708.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 828 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.46 From: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., Jay Rogers wrote: > Why is it that whenever I try to play this using > Windows Media Player, it says "Data is Invalid"??? > > Jay > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. > http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 Windoze Media Player is very finicky about what kind of MP3 files it will play. It likes MPEG 1 Layer 3 files that are encoded at the fixed bit rate of 128Kbps and 44KHz sample rate. Any thing else and it usually chokes on them. The particular file you are refering to is an MPEG 2 Layer 3 at 96Kbps with a sample rate of 22KHz. This is probably the reason it won't play it. Go to http://www.winamp.com and download WinAmp. It will usually plays most MP3's. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Nov 30 12:59:29 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 30 Nov 2001 20:59:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 537 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2001 20:59:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2001 20:59:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11701.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.67) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2001 20:59:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20011130205927.44688.qmail@web11701.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.80.144.117] by web11701.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:59:27 PST Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:59:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <9u7ojv+81ij@eGroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Nope, it didn't show up on Gimpamp either. Not only that, but for some reason whenever I click on the audio file, that window closes. P.O.S.!!! Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Fri Nov 30 14:03:09 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 30 Nov 2001 22:03:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 3368 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2001 22:03:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2001 22:03:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.56) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2001 22:03:08 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.116] by n6.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2001 22:03:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 22:03:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum Message-ID: <9u8vmn+jmuc@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <20011130205927.44688.qmail@web11701.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1171 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.58 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics For Windows and Macintosh users, I recommend "WinPlay3": http://www.iis.fhg.de/amm/download/index.html It's a very simple program -- much easier to use than WinAmp -- but it will play any and all types of MP3 files. I've also never had a problem playing "exotic" MP3 files on RealPlayer (http://www.real.com/), although at over 3 megs for even the Basic version, that will take longer to download. For DOS users (yes, *DOS*), I highly recommend "MPXPLAY", which is undoubtedly the highest-quality MP3 player I have ever used on any platform. It will play any MP2, MP3, MPEG Plus, Ogg Vorbis, or WAV files you can throw at it, and it can even be used to "rip" tracks from CDs into WAV files for encoding your own music. MPXPLAY can be downloaded at: http://mpxplay.tripod.com/ BTW, most people don't know this, but there are actually FOUR different ways of encoding Stereo into an MP3 file: Independent Stereo, Mid/Side Joint Stereo, Intensity Joint Stereo, and Mixed-Mode Stereo (switches between Independent and M/S Joint as appropriate). MPXPLAY tells you which method an MP3 file was encoded with when you play it. The other players do not! From jsgil@hal-pc.org Fri Nov 30 16:43:15 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 1 Dec 2001 00:43:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 34022 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 00:43:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2001 00:43:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.59) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 00:43:13 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jsgil@hal-pc.org Received: from [10.1.10.122] by n9.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2001 00:43:12 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 00:43:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum Message-ID: <9u992t+ekib@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <20011130205927.44688.qmail@web11701.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 366 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.23 From: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., Jay Rogers wrote: > Nope, it didn't show up on Gimpamp either. GimpAmp. Funny ;-) I actually use XMMS under Linux. It plays everything. I also use the lame encoder as it has better psycho-acoustic modeling than the Fraunhoffer encoder and also does VBR and MPEG2 audio. It's right up there with the Xing encoder. From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Nov 30 16:50:53 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 1 Dec 2001 00:50:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 71535 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 00:50:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2001 00:50:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 00:50:52 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.61]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.6.188) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 19:47:57 -0500 Message-ID: <008701c17a01$94d49400$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <9u6o52+e4b4@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM complaints already Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 19:46:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Heh heh... like I said, our local RS has their kiosk pushed back in the corner to make way for toys. It is not even hooked up anymore... AND.. judging by my email of late, stations are beginning to look at AMS in a new light again.......... :-) CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. <76362.2023@compuserve.com> To: Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 8:41 PM Subject: {AMSF} XM complaints already > This is from the alt.radio.digital newsgroup: From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Fri Nov 30 17:08:19 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 1 Dec 2001 01:08:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 28263 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 01:08:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2001 01:08:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.65) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 01:08:17 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.32] by n15.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2001 01:08:00 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 01:08:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: MP3 encoding Message-ID: <9u9ahq+4m2p@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <9u992t+ekib@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1133 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.58 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I also use the lame encoder as it has better psycho-acoustic > modeling than the Fraunhoffer encoder and also does VBR and MPEG2 > audio. It's right up there with the Xing encoder. One funny thing about MP3 encoding is, the more high-frequency response the audio has, the *lower* the bitrate necessary to encode it with good quality is! If you use VBR, you will see this clearly. My standard for most AM Stereo MP3 recordings is 22.05 kHz sampling rate with a sharp audio cut-off at 9.9 kHz to cut the 10 kHz whistle. With the "LAME" encoder (it nonsensically stands for "LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder") and VBR, a recording made on a high-response radio like a Sony SRF-A100 will often result in a bit rate of only about 75 to 80 kbps, while a recording from a narrow-response radio with the same encoder settings will result in a bit rate of 100 to 110 kbps. This also applies to music. With modern "high-energy" pop music, you might only need 112 kbps to get near-CD-quality MP3 audio. But with classical music or anything else that has lots of dynamic range, it may take 160 kbps or more to get decent quality. From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Nov 30 17:13:11 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 1 Dec 2001 01:13:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 99813 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 01:13:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2001 01:13:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 01:13:10 -0000 Received: from me ([204.221.28.190]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA00082 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 19:13:07 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001801c17a05$92a1ffc0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <9u7878+ntba@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ceramic Filters Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 19:14:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude 455KHz filters are readily available at Digikey. 450, OTOH- never seem to see them anywhere. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: To: > > I don't know anybody in my area who sells any of these types of > these filters and they have been hard to come by. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Fri Nov 30 19:20:24 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 1 Dec 2001 03:20:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 4554 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 03:20:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2001 03:20:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.80) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 03:20:22 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jsgil@hal-pc.org Received: from [10.1.10.95] by n30.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2001 03:20:22 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 03:20:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Pre-Emphasis Message-ID: <9u9i9l+bql5@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 601 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 206.180.130.19 From: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst I am trying to find the exact specifications of the Pre-Emphasis and audio bandwidth set forth by the NRSC for broadcast limitations particularly the ANSI/EIA 549-1988 specs. I know that the pre- emphasis is 75us but it also breaks at some frequency. I assume that the document refers to the break point as the point where the pre-emphasis curve stops increasing and levels off. The recent PDF posted here for the Canada specs. specify 8.7KHz. Canada usually adopts U.S. standards but I want to make sure this is the U.S. standard. When you go to ansi.org they want to sell you this information. From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Fri Nov 30 21:55:16 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 1 Dec 2001 05:55:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 82013 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 05:55:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2001 05:55:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.54) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 05:55:11 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.4.64] by n4.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2001 05:55:11 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 05:55:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-Emphasis Message-ID: <9u9rbv+9os8@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <9u9i9l+bql5@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1863 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.58 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I know that the pre- emphasis is 75us but it also breaks at some > frequency. I assume that the document refers to the break point as > the point where the pre-emphasis curve stops increasing and levels > off. The recent PDF posted here for the Canada specs. specify > 8.7KHz. Canada usually adopts U.S. standards but I want to > make sure this is the U.S. standard. The Canadian and U.S. NRSC pre-emphasis for the AM band are exactly the same. It's not really 75 uS because it's different than the "real" 75 uS used for FM and TV even at lower frequencies (that's why they call it "modified" 75 uS). It doesn't level off or stop increasing at any point under the 10 kHz limit, but at equal frequencies the emphasis is not as much as it is on FM. For example, the AM pre-emphasis at 10 kHz is 10 dB whereas on FM it is about 13 dB. At 15 kHz, the FM emphasis is about 16 dB -- as you can see, that is a lot of boost to put out, and that's why the high end of FM is so compressed-sounding. As for the NRSC audio bandwidth limit, the only difference between Canada and the USA is that the USA limit is 10.2 kHz while the Canadian limit is right at 10.0 kHz. In actual use that's not a noticeable difference because most stations are a bit conservative and cut off their audio at 9.7 to 9.9 kHz. And then of course you have a few stations which aren't using the NRSC filter at all and of course sound great on any wide-bandwidth radio, like CJLS in Nova Scotia, or WWRL in New York prior to the demise of their Stereo. BTW, on FM, the so-called "15 kHz" limit actually is quite variable. Some stations start chopping off their audio at 14 kHz while others are flat to at least 16 kHz and roll off gradually all the way to 18 kHz. I think the FCC really doesn't care as long as the 19 kHz FM Stereo pilot tone is not interfered with. From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Sat Dec 01 14:45:13 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 1 Dec 2001 22:45:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 38291 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 22:45:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2001 22:45:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.75) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 22:45:09 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.126] by n25.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2001 22:44:32 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 22:45:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 80,000 Message-ID: <9ubmho+dd4c@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 191 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.75.26 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Congrats to Alex, Ben, Chris, and the rest of the gang... I see the www.AMStereoRadio.com web site has just reached 80,000 hits. In fact, about 30 seconds ago I was its 80,001st visitor! From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Sat Dec 01 21:45:54 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 2 Dec 2001 05:45:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 13873 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2001 05:45:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2001 05:45:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.75) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2001 05:45:52 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.99] by n25.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2001 05:45:14 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 05:45:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: more XM complaints Message-ID: <9ucf6g+muet@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1692 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.155 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From the alt.radio.digital UseNet newsgroup: >>>>> As others have described, I find the sound quality of XM disappointing. I'm not sure if it's any worse than FM, but I wouldn't call it any better - just different. You trade off FM's noise and static for XM's excessive digital compression. It really does sound like they're using a bitrate that's far too low. The other audio disappointment, as mentioned earlier in this thread, is the amount of compression & limiting added to the sound (not the digital bitrate but the dynamic range of the audio itself). I knew they'd do this. On AM or FM, there is some need to keep the audio volume high, to keep it above the radio signal's background noise and static. But on digital radio, which has no background noise, there's no excuse to tamper with the sound. This seems like a knuckle-headed move by some old-school programming minds who believe in adding lots of audio compression to make their station seem louder than the competition up the dial. But with no background noise and no competition (other than the other channels owned by XM), what possible benefit can there be to crushing perfectly good-sounding music into half the range? <<<<< Meanwhile, the majority of messages in alt.radio.digital are from Europeans listening to the new DAB broadcasting service there (in a separate band from AM or FM). Thankfully these stations use very high bit rates (at least 192 kbps) so the audio quality is excellent. However, due to the frequencies involved, reception is like that of UHF TV -- it can be a bit spotty, and requires precise aiming of the antenna to receive stations more than a few miles away. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Dec 01 22:11:05 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 2 Dec 2001 06:11:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 21759 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2001 06:11:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2001 06:11:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14202.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.144) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2001 06:11:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20011202061103.41279.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.167] by web14202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 22:11:03 PST Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 22:11:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: AMS transmitter / Amateur Radio License To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" , Dennis AMstereo IAAAS List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Darwin - and any others interested, diverging momentarily from AMS for 2 minutes: Getting a ham license is quite a bit easier than it was just 3 years ago. The technician test is only half as long as the one in 1998. No Morse Code unless you want to work the shortwave/HF bands, and then it's only a 5 WPM rate! Also Darwin, after you pass your license you can apply for a 'vanity' ham license call (just like the license plates) and IF nobody was reissued your old call, you WILL be given preference and there is a 90% chance of getting you old call letters back if it's only been a few years! It's worth getting your ham license, even if you never use it (I wouldn't know why) as you are given special privileges such as states like Michigan and Indiana you cannot have a scanner or 2-way radio in your car unless you have a ham license, plus you can usually get a specialty license plate with your call on it for next to nothing extra unlike regular vanity plates. So, I suggest getting the "Now You're Talking Book" (must have a version newer than April 2000) and getting your ham ticket. Also, your local ham club likely has a testing date once a month where you can meet to take the exam for $6.50 . Also, learing about ham radio will help you with the design of your 'very small' Part15 transmitting antenna for your AM Stereo Transmitter! So get on the air with your CCuff/Alfredo Lite AM Stereo transmitters and on the VHF/UHF ham bands this winter! 73's __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sat Dec 01 22:58:50 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 2 Dec 2001 06:58:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 68461 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2001 06:58:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2001 06:58:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.68) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2001 06:58:48 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jsgil@hal-pc.org Received: from [10.1.10.28] by n18.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2001 06:58:45 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 06:58:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-Emphasis Message-ID: <9ucjep+ajf3@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <9u9rbv+9os8@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1921 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.233 From: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Kevin T." <76362.2023@c...> wrote: > > The Canadian and U.S. NRSC pre-emphasis for the AM band are exactly > the same. It's not really 75 uS because it's different than the > "real" 75 uS used for FM and TV even at lower frequencies (that's why > they call it "modified" 75 uS). It doesn't level off or stop > increasing at any point under the 10 kHz limit, but at equal > frequencies the emphasis is not as much as it is on FM. For example, > the AM pre-emphasis at 10 kHz is 10 dB whereas on FM it is about 13 > dB. At 15 kHz, the FM emphasis is about 16 dB -- as you can see, that > is a lot of boost to put out, and that's why the high end of FM is so > compressed-sounding. > Using a 75us de-emphasis with an 8.7KHz shelf I plugged this information into Excel and got the following results: KHz db ~~~ ~~ 2.122 -2.75 5.000 -6.9 7.500 -8.9 10.000 -10 12.500 -10.7 15.000 -11.1 17.500 -11.35 20.000 -11.6 75us has a -3db corner frequency of 2.122KHz if no shelf is used or the shelf is many octaves away. When a shelf of 8.7KHz is used for the corner frequency attenuation is -2.75db only a 3% difference. At 10KHz the attenuation is exactly -10db. Anything above 10KHz and the attenuation starts to taper off to a maximum of ~-12db. If no frequencies are transmitted above 10KHz then there is no need for the pre-empnasis to keep increasing in gain. I have uploaded a plot of this in gif format to the photo section. The Red curve is the Ideal Curve. The Green curve is the actual response of the RC network. The Blue curve is the phase shift that is normalized, Degrees/3. If anybody can confirm if this what the NRSC de-emphasis curve looks like and the values are close enough in the table above, let me know. From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Sun Dec 02 11:40:41 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 2 Dec 2001 19:40:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 4042 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2001 19:40:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2001 19:40:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.51) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2001 19:40:39 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.125] by n1.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2001 19:40:39 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 19:40:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-Emphasis Message-ID: <9ue03l+gu40@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <9ucjep+ajf3@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1522 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.17 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > If anybody can confirm if this what the NRSC de-emphasis curve looks > like and the values are close enough in the table above, let me > know. The official NRSC pre-emphasis curve and graph is contained in this file: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/Bts1-2.pdf And here is a comparison between the AM NRSC "modified 75 uS" pre-emphasis and the FM normal 75 uS pre-emphasis: Frequency (Hz) NRSC emphasis FM 75 uS emphasis ============== ============= ================= 50 +0.00 dB +0 dB 100 0.01 0 400 0.14 0.2 700 0.42 0.6 1000 0.81 1.0 1500 1.63 2000 2.54 2.7 2500 3.44 3000 4.28 4.6 3500 5.05 4000 5.75 6.5 4500 6.37 5000 6.92 8.3 5500 7.41 6000 7.85 9.7 6500 8.24 7000 8.58 11.0 7500 8.89 8000 9.16 12.05 8500 9.41 9000 9.62 13.0 9500 9.82 10000 10.00 13.8 11000 14.4 12000 15.0 13000 15.6 14000 16.2 15000 16.8 I got the FM values by reading off a graph so they aren't 100% accurate. The official data for the NRSC curve doesn't go above 10 kHz. From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Sun Dec 02 11:44:11 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 2 Dec 2001 19:44:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 37490 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2001 19:44:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2001 19:44:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.85) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2001 19:44:10 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.97] by n35.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2001 19:44:10 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 19:44:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AMS transmitter / Amateur Radio License Message-ID: <9ue0a7+bthk@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <20011202061103.41279.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 536 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.17 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I recommend the book "All About Ham Radio" (I think?) by Harry Helms (AA6FW). That book is what got me interested in amateur radio. I took and passed the "no-code" Technician class test at age 13 so I don't think it's that hard. Plus you can find some great deals at "hamfests" (amateur radio flea markets). In fact even before you have your license, I would highly recommend going to a 'hamfest', having a look around, and chatting with some of the folks there. Often they even have the license tests right at the hamfest. From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Dec 02 12:18:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 2 Dec 2001 20:18:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 52656 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2001 20:18:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2001 20:18:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2001 20:18:31 -0000 Received: from me ([204.221.28.138]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA25903 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 14:18:24 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <003201c17b6e$bf03c980$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <9ucf6g+muet@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} more XM complaints Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 14:20:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude That's it, though not entirely. I think the general public has been conditioned over the years to like it as well. Plus, since much of the listening is still done in autos, the average modulation has to be kept high to overcome road noise. You'd be surprised to know how many people would accept compression on classical music so they could listen to the stations in their cars. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. <76362.2023@compuserve.com> > On AM or FM, there is some need to keep the audio volume high, to keep > it above the radio signal's background noise and static. But on > digital radio, which has no background noise, there's no excuse to > tamper with the sound. This seems like a knuckle-headed move by some > old-school programming minds who believe in adding lots of audio > compression to make their station seem louder than the competition up > the dial. From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Dec 02 12:32:21 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 2 Dec 2001 20:32:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 27021 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2001 20:32:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2001 20:32:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2001 20:32:20 -0000 Received: from me ([204.221.28.138]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA27193; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 14:32:17 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <005201c17b70$af74b720$d3a9fea9@me> To: , References: <20011202061103.41279.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [amstereo] AMS transmitter / Amateur Radio License Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 14:34:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Would someone care to redesign the output of that transmitter to more of a full 100mW output? I probably can, though design isn't my strongest suit for one, and time has been at a premium since starting my current job last spring. I've got an Alfredo Lite, but the signal is so weak I d*** near have to have it attached to the radio to get static free reception. Consequently it rarely gets used. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Johnny Electron > Also, learing about ham radio will help you with the design of > your 'very small' Part15 transmitting antenna for your AM Stereo > Transmitter! So get on the air with your CCuff/Alfredo Lite AM > Stereo transmitters and on the VHF/UHF ham bands this winter! > 73's From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Dec 02 13:39:51 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 2 Dec 2001 21:39:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 64533 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2001 21:39:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2001 21:39:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2001 21:39:49 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.133]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.6.188) with SMTP id ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 16:36:15 -0500 Message-ID: <002901c17b79$38fabbe0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: Cc: References: <9ucf6g+muet@eGroups.com> <003201c17b6e$bf03c980$d3a9fea9@me> Subject: a note to all Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 16:35:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Hi Gang- Just to let all know, I will be tied up with lawyers this week, so I will not be answering a lot of email. Hopefully, this situatuion will be done with by Friday, and I can sleep again. I am following all the posts- one in particular from Scott- USE a loaded antenna! (with my transmitter) I have no trouble getting out from an 1/8 to a quarter mile stock. OK, more next week CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd From n1ea@c4.com Sun Dec 02 16:21:01 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: n1ea@c4.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 3 Dec 2001 00:20:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 9935 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2001 00:20:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2001 00:20:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailrelay1.chek.com) (208.197.227.116) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 00:20:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 7095 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2001 00:20:58 -0000 Received: from fancyfeast.chek.com (208.197.227.100) by mailrelay1.chek.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 00:20:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 14989 invoked by uid 99); 3 Dec 2001 00:20:27 -0000 Date: 3 Dec 2001 00:20:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20011203002027.14988.qmail@fancyfeast.chek.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: [216.41.29.94] Subject: Re: {AMSF} more XM complaints From: "David J Ring Jr" There is a man in Boston at WGBH-FM who runs his "board" really low - on purpose. His voice peaks hit 30 or less. He does this so you can crank the radio so that the 1812 Symphony quivers windows when the cannons fire, but otherwise the music is normal. It is soooo good to listen to. The quiet is quiet the loud is loud, and when he speaks it is in a conversational tone. Robert J. Lurksima I think is his name. David On Sun, 2 Dec 2001 14:20:10 -0600 Scott Todd wrote: >That's it, though not entirely. I think the general public has been >conditioned over the years to like it as well. Plus, since much of the >listening is still done in autos, the average modulation has to be kept high >to overcome road noise. You'd be surprised to know how many people would >accept compression on classical music so they could listen to the stations >in their cars. >ST > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Kevin T. <76362.2023@compuserve.com> >> On AM or FM, there is some need to keep the audio volume high, to keep >> it above the radio signal's background noise and static. But on >> digital radio, which has no background noise, there's no excuse to >> tamper with the sound. This seems like a knuckle-headed move by some >> old-school programming minds who believe in adding lots of audio >> compression to make their station seem louder than the competition up >> the dial. > > > >------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> >See What You've Been Missing! >Amazing Wireless Video Camera. >Click here >http://us.click.yahoo.com/75YKVC/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/CPMolB/TM >---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -------------------------------------------------- Totally Amazing Search Results - Just C4 Yourself! http://www.C4.com - Total Search Technology From watan-ko@rtri.or.jp Sun Dec 02 16:40:00 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: watan-ko@rtri.or.jp X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 3 Dec 2001 00:39:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 32831 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2001 00:39:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2001 00:39:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.64) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 00:39:58 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: watan-ko@rtri.or.jp Received: from [10.1.10.105] by n14.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2001 00:41:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 00:39:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AMS stations in Korea & China Message-ID: <9uehks+v4md@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <9u6n89+10pm5@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 339 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 210.254.18.69 From: watan-ko@rtri.or.jp X-Yahoo-Profile: irukero Dear Kevin, > Just wondering... have you ever "DXed" any AM Stereo at night from > other countries, like Korea or Taiwan? I can hear many Chinese, Taiwanese and Korean stations at night, however, I've never seen that the AM stereo indicator lit. If I live in southern Japan like Kyushu or Okinawa, I can hear their AMS programs. From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Sun Dec 02 18:45:04 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 3 Dec 2001 02:45:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 84588 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2001 02:45:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2001 02:45:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.52) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 02:45:02 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.34] by n2.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2001 02:45:02 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 02:44:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AMS transmitter / Amateur Radio License Message-ID: <9ueova+horu@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <005201c17b70$af74b720$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2345 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.77.6 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I've got an Alfredo Lite, but the signal is so weak I d*** near > have to have it attached to the radio to get static free reception. > Consequently it rarely gets used. Have you tried running it in 'carrier current' mode? Simply connect its antenna output directly to the center round pin (Ground) of the AC outlet. This safely uses all of the electrical wiring in your building, and even up to a couple hundred feet outside, as your antenna, so your signal will come in loud and clear throughout your building and even quite a bit along your street if there are above-ground power lines. If that still doesn't help and the radio literally has to be within a couple feet of the transmitter to hear the signal, you might have blown the final RF output transistors. That happened to mine, although I don't know exactly why. I replaced the output transistors and now it works fine again. Or, alternatively, you could replace the output transistors with a pair (NPN and PNP) that are rated for higher power. If you cut the 9V main voltage feed to them and give them their own higher-voltage supply (separate from the rest of the transmitter board which cannot safely accept much more than 9 VDC), you can get quite a bit of power output. I've heard of Alfredo Lites putting out up to 2 watts PEP when modified and used in this manner. With a good antenna and ground system, that will give you at least a couple *miles* of coverage! Just pick a nice clear frequency so your signal won't be stepping on any toes, and the FCC won't bug you; they're too busy busting all the FM pirates. One web site has a list of all the pirates the FCC has busted in the past few years, and at least 95% of them are FM. The remaining 5% is about equally split between AM and shortwave stations. BTW, even when operating in compliance with FCC Part 15 specs (100 mW), you can get quite a bit of coverage. There is a network of 100-mW transmitters all on 1620 kHz in New Jersey -- *sixteen* of them to be exact -- and the resulting combo-signal covers almost an entire county. Driving along a highway at the northern end of this "station's" coverage, I heard the signal for at least 5 MILES! All relay the same Spanish language format, and with the fading between transmitters it almost sounded like a shortwave station. From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Sun Dec 02 21:36:44 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 3 Dec 2001 05:36:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 37974 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2001 05:36:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2001 05:36:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.51) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 05:36:41 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.114] by n1.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2001 05:36:41 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 05:36:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 2002 Ford AM Stereo? Message-ID: <9uf317+d7il@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3146 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.81.128 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics My uncle just got a new 2002 Ford Taurus wagon. It doesn't have the Visteon CD-6, but it does have the so-called "Mach" premium audio system, with a large keystone-shaped radio with cassette, and separate CD changer in the center console. Any chance that this has AM Stereo? I know in the past, Ford's "premium" audio system usually came with AM Stereo, but I don't know if that still applies. Also, I didn't mention this before, but while up in Canada I had a 2001 Ford Explorer as my rental car (I wanted a compact car but this was the only thing left for me to drive so they gave me a free upgrade) and although its standard non-"premium" audio system didn't have AM Stereo, the sound quality on AM was a bit better than average. It was not "hi-fi" by any means, but the sound was at least clear and distortion-free, and had a bit more treble response than you'd get from an average aftermarket radio (Blaupunkt excluded). It was clearly better than the radio in the 2000 Ford Contour that I had as another rental car last year -- that one was very lacking in treble response, and wasn't all that great on FM either. In other OEM car radio news, I just got a radio out of a 1996 VW Golf and I am extremely impressed with it. It is labelled "Premium Audio" right on the face plate, but that's what VW called *all* their audio systems at the time (and like most VW radios, it's made by Panasonic/Matsushita). This thing is *amazing* on FM -- it will pull in virtually all signals within a 75-mile radius as if they were right next door! There is absolutely NO "splatter" between channels; for example, it can easily DX stations on 90.1 and 90.5 despite the presence of a very strong local station on 90.3. Even the Seek and Scan features stop on all these DX stations -- in most of the band, it will stop and pull in a listenable station on every 0.2 MHz increment! I thought Delcos were the best on FM, but I can now say this is the most sensitive and selective FM radio I have *ever* used. On AM, it is very good too -- sensitivity, selectivity, and sound quality are all much better than average. I can hear the 10 kHz carrier whistle at times, so I know the bandwidth is more limited by audio filtering than it is by IF filtering. That means with an AM Stereo conversion, it will really "come alive" with much better sound -- Chris has converted a previous-generation VW "Heidelberg" radio (also made by Panasonic) and reports that the results are very good, aside from some tricks needed to get around an audio section that does not allow stereo sound to be reproduced while in AM mode. Overall, OEM "factory" car radios might not provide as impressive of sound quality as aftermarket radios (with their "Super Extra Turbo D-Bass Boomer" settings), but they still clearly have the advantage in radio reception on both AM and FM, except perhaps for top-of-the-line Blaupunkt aftermarket radios, which unlike their competitors actually makes an effort at providing good AM reception and sound quality. Blaupunkt even advertises some models as having "Superior AM Frequency Response". From dav259@minerals.csiro.au Mon Dec 03 01:20:36 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@minerals.csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 3 Dec 2001 09:20:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 43882 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2001 09:20:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2001 09:20:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 09:20:31 -0000 Received: from mineng (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA07066; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:20:25 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:20:25 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Cc: David McKay , amstereoforum Subject: 3MP - THANKS ALL!!! In-Reply-To: <021001c17baf$78640a80$6965b5d1@kredding430cdt> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sun, 2 Dec 2001, kevin wrote: > When 3MP gets to be in stereo, I want a tape. Thanks Kevin and Dennis - you'll both get a tape of 3MP in stereo if that's the way they go. And if it happens I'll be so glad that anyone on the list can have one as well. You've all been great! We have managed to alert the new management of 3AK/3MP that AM stereo exists. And even their replies have indicated that even if they didn't know AMS existed - they are positive. When Data & Commerce took over 3AK late last year they made great noises about making 3AK Australia's first digital (stereo) station. Pie in the sky as far as I'm concerned but it's positive. And if they do think stereo digital AM is just around the corner it would only make sense to be broadcasting in stereo now for when it does arrive. And if digital AM stereo does ever arrive I'll be one of its best supporters - as long as the stations don't go silly with it - as they seem to have on FM - at least here in OZ. It seems if you're FM and not owned by "our ABC" you must be a rocker of some sort. We had our first new commercial station officially open here today - after 21 years. Nova 100.3 FM. I gave it a good hearing from its official launch for 35 minutes - after it's two minute "news update". I imagine it will rate well. At least we now have five AM and five FM commercial stations - and I'm sure all Nova will do is split the FM ratings - and that IS good for AM stereo. If Data & Commerce are positive - which seems possible - they will probably put 3AK and 3MP into one new studio complex. And if they're thinking about the future they will wire them for stereo - ie. the future as they might imagine it. They have already bought and installed a new Nautel transmitter for 3AK - and that is good! Talk 1116 3AK is sounding great in AMS. Why would you also own a 24 hour music station and leave it in mono (especially when the stereo pilot is ON)? It doesn't really make sense. To those of you who have helped - thanks heaps! If this works here in Melbourne we must target other markets. And special thanks to Matt Trim from Brisbane, Oz who has joined us. There are now two confirmed AMS stations in Brissie - 4BC & 4TAB. There's another community station starting up on AM soon. We may be able to convince them to look to the future too. Matt - please keep in touch. whatever happens - T H A N K S ! - we are family! Ian From jsgil@hal-pc.org Mon Dec 03 15:04:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 3 Dec 2001 23:04:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 6399 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2001 23:04:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2001 23:04:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.53) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 23:04:33 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jsgil@hal-pc.org Received: from [10.1.4.22] by n3.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2001 23:04:31 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 23:04:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Transmitter & Antenna Message-ID: <9uh0dt+cb9f@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 772 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.6 From: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst What is the best way of measuring power to meet FCC regulations for 100mW. The old way was to measure the power going into the final stage i.e supply voltage * supply current. A theoretical perfect amplifier would have a 78% power output effeciency with 5.6 Vp-p into 50 Ohms. Only a ~65% effeciency can be achieved allowing for a push pull amp's output transisors to have a collector-emitter saturation of 0.2V. Can you measure it as peak envelope power going into a 50 Ohm load where: 100mW @ 50 Ohm is 2.24 Vrms or 6.32 Vp-p. What is the prefered method for maximun power into the antenna. Also what is the best type of antenna that is 3 meters tall. One that has a load coil to electrically lengthen it or one that is helically wound for the entire length. From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Mon Dec 03 16:36:06 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 4 Dec 2001 00:36:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 14347 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2001 00:36:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2001 00:36:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.59) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2001 00:36:02 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.10.127] by n9.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2001 00:36:02 -0000 Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 00:36:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 3MP - THANKS ALL!!! Message-ID: <9uh5ph+7doq@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 958 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.90.6 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > There are now two confirmed AMS stations in Brissie - 4BC & 4TAB. Do you know if 4QR on 612 kHz in Brisbane is also Stereo? They are on both AM Stereo station listings (mine and Alex's) as an ABC station. And I would appreciate it if everybody would take a few moments to verify the station listing on the AM Stereo Advantage with the stations in your local area (or which you can DX at night). The listings can be found at: http://www.geocities.com/amstereoexp/stations.htm The U.S. listings are categorized by state to make it easy to find your local stations. BTW, admittedly, my standards are a bit low. As long as a station is sending out a Stereo pilot tone, it is on the list, regardless if they are broadcasting true Stereo audio or not. Also, stations which are temporarily in mono pending repair or (re)installation of their Stereo equipment (i.e. 1030 WBZ) are also on the list, with a special note to indicate that status. From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Mon Dec 03 16:46:49 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 4 Dec 2001 00:46:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 89630 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2001 00:46:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2001 00:46:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.76) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2001 00:46:48 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Received: from [10.1.2.211] by n26.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2001 00:42:23 -0000 Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 00:46:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Transmitter & Antenna Message-ID: <9uh6dm+dun3@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <9uh0dt+cb9f@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1806 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.192.90.6 From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > What is the best way of measuring power to meet FCC regulations > for 100mW. The old way was to measure the power going into the > final stage i.e supply voltage * supply current. There are two different ways that FCC Part 15 transmitter output limits can be measured. Either you can use the method you describe (input power to final amplifier stage), or you can use a more complex method that measures the RF level at various distances from the transmitter. With this method, theoretically you can have any transmitter input/output power you want as long as the signal doesn't reach too far. For example, there are Carrier Current stations that use a 25-watt transmitter and yet still meet FCC Part 15 rules. > Also what is the best type of antenna that is 3 meters tall. One > that has a load coil to electrically lengthen it or one that is > helically wound for the entire length. I have not really heard of helically wound antennas being used for Part 15 AM transmitters, but I suppose it is possible if you so desire. Most people use a simple 10-foot antenna with a properly matched loading coil. This method can give excellent results, especially if the antenna is mounted high above the ground (Height Above Average Terrain isn't as critical on AM as it is with FM, but it still helps a lot with low-power transmitters). But please realise that exactly following FCC Part 15 rules is not critical unless you are a perfectionist. If you pick a nice clear spot on the AM dial, don't interfere with other stations, don't use excessive power, and don't broadcast obscene programming, the FCC usually won't pick on you, and even if they do, they'll just give you a 'friendly' warning and let you modify or discontinue your broadcasts before they take any further action. From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Dec 03 19:05:38 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 4 Dec 2001 03:05:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 42084 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2001 03:05:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2001 03:05:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2001 03:05:35 -0000 Received: from me ([204.221.28.169]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA17091 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 21:05:20 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <005f01c17c70$c4bd3480$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <9uh6dm+dun3@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Transmitter & Antenna Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 21:06:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Close, but no banana, there, Kev. Part 15 AM antennas that are mounted on top of tall poles get good coverage NOT because of their HAAT. What happens is that the tall pole creates an off-center feed antenna, and a taller pole makes for a more efficient antenna (closer to resonance). Part 15 interpretation has holes like a piece of swiss cheese. You are allowed only a 10' antenna, or antenna plus ground lead, but if you have no ground lead as such from the transmitter and just have it clamped to a well grounded pole, you can have your 10' whip on it and you've met the requirements, even though the whole structure is acting as an antenna at that point. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. <76362.2023@compuserve.com> > I have not really heard of helically wound antennas being used for > Part 15 AM transmitters, but I suppose it is possible if you so > desire. Most people use a simple 10-foot antenna with a properly > matched loading coil. This method can give excellent results, > especially if the antenna is mounted high above the ground (Height > Above Average Terrain isn't as critical on AM as it is with FM, but it > still helps a lot with low-power transmitters). > From jsgil@hal-pc.org Mon Dec 03 19:56:03 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 4 Dec 2001 03:56:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 68968 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2001 03:56:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2001 03:56:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.62) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2001 03:56:00 -0000 Received: from [10.1.4.82] by n12.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2001 03:56:00 -0000 Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 03:55:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Transmitter & Antenna Message-ID: <9uhhge+qskj@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <9uh0dt+cb9f@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 426 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster From: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.235 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst I guess the goal is to get maximum coverage and still be within the part 15 regulations whichever may you measure it. In theory I guess you could have a really effecient antenna setup with lots of gain drivin by an amp that has a 100mW input power to the final stage but would have a greater range than one that was measured using field strength. Like I say theory, I don't know anyone who has put it to the test though. From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Mon Dec 03 19:56:09 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 4 Dec 2001 03:56:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 4574 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2001 03:56:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2001 03:56:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.71) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2001 03:56:08 -0000 Received: from [10.1.4.22] by n21.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2001 03:50:43 -0000 Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 03:56:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: IB - XM Message-ID: <9uhhgn+5s07@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 51 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster From: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Originating-IP: 147.144.66.251 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 Any news on digital audio or the emergence of XM?? From dav259@minerals.csiro.au Mon Dec 03 23:05:03 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@minerals.csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 4 Dec 2001 07:04:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 22686 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2001 07:04:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2001 07:04:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2001 07:04:55 -0000 Received: from mineng (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA25021; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 18:04:53 +1100 (EST) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 18:04:53 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Cc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 3MP - THANKS ALL!!! In-Reply-To: <9uh5ph+7doq@eGroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24627097 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Kevin T. wrote: > > There are now two confirmed AMS stations in Brissie - 4BC & 4TAB. > Do you know if 4QR on 612 kHz in Brisbane is also Stereo? They are on > both AM Stereo station listings (mine and Alex's) as an ABC station. Hi Kevin I joined an Aussie general radio broadcasting ng today and have asked members to advise me of the current status of AMS stations in Oz. I got one format amendment back from 3TR Gippsland in five minutes. It should now be "Gippsland and The Valley's Best Music". You can immediately add 1116 4BC Brisbane (Talking Brisbane) and 1332 4BU Bundaberg, Qld (Classic Gold). I'm still unsure about 4QR - but a few months back someone mentioned hearing stereo on the ABC's networked overnight program - I got on to ask where the listener came from (I was half asleep when I heard it and the words AM stereo literally made me jump out of bed) and the announcer wasn't sure but it was either 2BL Sydney or 4QR Brisbane. As his show is networked from Sydney it's safe to assume 2BL is still in stereo. Matt can you confirm the status of 4QR? When I've got the OZ list up to date I'll send it to you and Ben. Ian - Melbourne From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Dec 04 17:38:40 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 5 Dec 2001 01:38:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 37306 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2001 01:38:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2001 01:38:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2001 01:38:23 -0000 Received: from me (c2m19.dlup.shbtl.means.net [209.105.35.119]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA02674 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 19:38:13 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000e01c17d2d$c5000e00$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <9uhhgn+5s07@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} IB - XM Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 19:39:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude No, but I heard Sirius won't be launching early next year as planned. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: > Any news on digital audio or the emergence of XM?? From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Tue Dec 04 18:20:00 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 5 Dec 2001 02:19:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 17650 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2001 02:19:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2001 02:19:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.80) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2001 02:19:57 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.23] by n30.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2001 02:19:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 02:19:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IB - XM Message-ID: <9uk08a+7g2b@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <000e01c17d2d$c5000e00$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1263 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.178 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1992321 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > No, but I heard Sirius won't be launching early next year as > planned. BTW, XM and Sirius satellite radio are both USA-only systems. I think that is purposely because in other countries, land-based DAB broadcasting (on a separate band), as already established and in widespread use in Europe, would be too much competition for it. Also, many countries have had nationwide radio networks (for example, the five BBC Radio channels) for decades, so the concept of listening to the same exact format no matter where they are in the country is nothing special to them. And with RDS (which is taken for granted in Europe, just like FM Stereo), there isn't even a need to re-tune the radio as a signal fades out -- the radio will automatically seek to the next available signal carrying the same network. RDS is so popular in Europe, even the pirate stations are transmitting it! In fact, a predecessor to RDS (called ARI and also using a 57 kHz subcarrier) has been in use there since the late 1970s. Fun Facts: The Magnavox AM Stereo system allowed its pilot tone to be modulated to carry a digital data stream. An RDS-like system for AM, which *is* compatible with C-Quam AM Stereo, has also been developed, but has not been put into use. From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Tue Dec 04 18:32:56 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 5 Dec 2001 02:32:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 54410 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2001 02:32:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2001 02:32:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.85) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2001 02:32:54 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.178] by n35.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2001 02:32:54 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 02:32:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT: The new Radio Shack slogan Message-ID: <9uk10i+j0os@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 441 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.178 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1992321 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics People have been parodizing the "You've got questions, We've got answers" slogan for a long time now, but I think I just came across the best one yet: "You've got questions, We've got batteries. Can I interest you in a free cell phone?" Speaking of which, anybody know if the Sony SRF-42 is still listed in the 2001 or 2002 Radio Shack catalog? I know it was in the 1999 catalog and I've heard it was in the 2000 catalog as well. From n1ea@c4.com Tue Dec 04 18:47:01 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: n1ea@c4.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 5 Dec 2001 02:46:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 65773 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2001 02:46:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2001 02:46:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailrelay1.chek.com) (208.197.227.116) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2001 02:46:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 7949 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2001 02:46:54 -0000 Received: from ninelives.chek.com (208.197.227.14) by mailrelay1.chek.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2001 02:46:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 8131 invoked by uid 99); 5 Dec 2001 02:46:06 -0000 Date: 5 Dec 2001 02:46:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20011205024606.8130.qmail@ninelives.chek.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: 76362.2023@compuserve.com Subject: Re:{AMSF} OT: The new Radio Shack slogan From: "David J Ring Jr" X-Originating-IP: [216.41.29.129] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Radio Shack discontinued the SRF-42 - the last catalog it was in was the 1999 catalog. I HAVE ASKED BEFORE - but if anyone HAS one of those little clips on the back of the SRF-42 I would make arrangements with them to buy it. I had the RS manager search the Boston District for one. He found two - one in bad shape, and the other without a clip. This is a nice radio (at least on AMS) - FM stinks. 73 David Ring On Wed, 05 Dec 2001 02:32:50 -0000 "Kevin T." <76362.2023@compuserve.com> wrote: >People have been parodizing the "You've got questions, We've got >answers" slogan for a long time now, but I think I just came across >the best one yet: > >"You've got questions, We've got batteries. Can I interest you in a >free cell phone?" > > >Speaking of which, anybody know if the Sony SRF-42 is still listed in >the 2001 or 2002 Radio Shack catalog? I know it was in the 1999 >catalog and I've heard it was in the 2000 catalog as well. -------------------------------------------------- Totally Amazing Search Results - Just C4 Yourself! http://www.C4.com - Total Search Technology From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Dec 04 19:19:49 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 5 Dec 2001 03:19:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 94527 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2001 03:19:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2001 03:19:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2001 03:19:47 -0000 Received: from me (c3m52.dlup.shbtl.means.net [209.105.35.52]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA18712 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 21:19:44 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00a101c17d3b$f3c37520$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <9uh5ph+7doq@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 3MP - THANKS ALL!!! Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 21:21:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I think I remember some discussion that KTNN in Window Rock AZ discontinued AMS. Also, haven't heard any sunday country gospel on KKIN for some time. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. <76362.2023@compuserve.com> > And I would appreciate it if everybody would take a few moments to > verify the station listing on the AM Stereo Advantage with the > stations in your local area (or which you can DX at night). The > listings can be found at: > > http://www.geocities.com/amstereoexp/stations.htm From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Dec 04 19:28:54 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 5 Dec 2001 03:28:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 8185 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2001 03:28:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2001 03:28:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11707.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.73) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2001 03:28:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20011205032853.66191.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.80.144.109] by web11707.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 19:28:53 PST Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 19:28:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 3MP - THANKS ALL!!! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00a101c17d3b$f3c37520$d3a9fea9@me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio There is no WQRS. It is WMIB-Marco Island, Fl.. I looked it up on the F.C.C. database. 73, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Tue Dec 04 19:36:18 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 5 Dec 2001 03:36:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 20199 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2001 03:36:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2001 03:36:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.83) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2001 03:36:17 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.119] by n33.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2001 03:36:16 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 03:36:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re:{AMSF} OT: The new Radio Shack slogan Message-ID: <9uk4nc+70rg@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <20011205024606.8130.qmail@ninelives.chek.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1352 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster From: "Tom " X-Originating-IP: 147.144.66.251 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 You might have to call Sony for the part. If (and this is a big if) I don't forget, I'll post the number tomorrow... Tom --- In amstereoforum@y..., "David J Ring Jr" wrote: > Radio Shack discontinued the SRF-42 - the last catalog it was in was the 1999 catalog. > > I HAVE ASKED BEFORE - but if anyone HAS one of those little clips on the back of the SRF-42 I would make arrangements with them to buy it. > > I had the RS manager search the Boston District for one. He found two - one in bad shape, and the other without a clip. > > This is a nice radio (at least on AMS) - FM stinks. > > 73 > > David Ring > > > On Wed, 05 Dec 2001 02:32:50 -0000 "Kevin T." <76362.2023@c...> wrote: > >People have been parodizing the "You've got questions, We've got > >answers" slogan for a long time now, but I think I just came across > >the best one yet: > > > >"You've got questions, We've got batteries. Can I interest you in a > >free cell phone?" > > > > > >Speaking of which, anybody know if the Sony SRF-42 is still listed in > >the 2001 or 2002 Radio Shack catalog? I know it was in the 1999 > >catalog and I've heard it was in the 2000 catalog as well. > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Totally Amazing Search Results - Just C4 Yourself! > > http://www.C4.com - Total Search Technology From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Tue Dec 04 20:48:28 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 5 Dec 2001 04:48:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 28137 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2001 04:48:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2001 04:48:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.54) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2001 04:48:21 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.23] by n4.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2001 04:47:54 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 04:46:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re:{AMSF} OT: The new Radio Shack slogan Message-ID: <9uk8qc+6bnb@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <20011205024606.8130.qmail@ninelives.chek.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 305 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.46 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1992321 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > This is a nice radio (at least on AMS) - FM stinks. There is a very easy mod to drastically improve FM reception and sound quality on the Sony SRF-42. For details and instructions, see this previously posted message on The AM Stereo Forum: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/message/138 From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Wed Dec 05 07:50:27 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 5 Dec 2001 15:50:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 6931 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2001 15:47:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2001 15:47:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.68) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2001 15:47:36 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.43] by n18.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2001 15:47:40 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 15:47:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: SRF 42 Clip - Sony Parts Message-ID: <9ulfii+mah0@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 102 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tom_richard1980" X-Originating-IP: 147.144.66.251 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 The number for Sony Parts is 1-800-488-7669. M-F 7am-7pm and Saturdays 8am - 6pm Central Time. Tom From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Dec 05 08:14:22 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 5 Dec 2001 16:14:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 49187 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2001 16:14:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2001 16:14:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2001 16:14:19 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.44]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:10:40 -0500 Message-ID: <003a01c17da7$3ea07c80$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <9ulfii+mah0@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} SRF 42 Clip - Sony Parts Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:09:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I have a clip- Who needs one? I parted out a few junkers, and have a clip Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: tom_richard1980 To: Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 10:47 AM Subject: {AMSF} SRF 42 Clip - Sony Parts From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Dec 05 08:18:55 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 5 Dec 2001 16:18:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 74613 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2001 16:18:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2001 16:18:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2001 16:18:53 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.44]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:15:14 -0500 Message-ID: <004701c17da7$e1ecfda0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: Subject: Fw: Comment from the amstereoradio.com website Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:14:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Here is another to add to the AMS list! Great news.. see letter below mine. Now- on the XM front. In a 60 day period, Crutchfield has sold 500 XM radios. Hmmm.... doesn't sound too good... think I will call in and request "Funeral for a friend" by Elton John.... oh, but wait- I don't *have* XM.. Maybe when they have the fire sale I might try one... heh heh... CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Shelden To: Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 1:31 PM Subject: Comment from the amstereoradio.com website > Greetings, > Kindly add another station to your Am stereo list. > KWAL 620 1,000w Da-N in Osburn Idaho. Serves a stretch of I-90 from the > Montana border to Coeur d'Alene. There is a number of small communities in > this long valley. > I am the consulting engineer, and three years ago installed a new BE Am1A > transmitter. Then rebuilt the air studio and processing. I was very careful > to maintain high audio quality and low noise & distortion. > KWAL broadcasts contemporary country 24hrs. > Thanks, Jim Shelden KC7BJ > From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Dec 05 08:24:59 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 5 Dec 2001 16:24:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 88523 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2001 16:24:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2001 16:24:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2001 16:24:57 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.44]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:21:18 -0500 Message-ID: <005101c17da8$bab84220$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: Cc: References: <004701c17da7$e1ecfda0$0101a8c0@pavilion> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: Comment from the amstereoradio.com website Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:20:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 More news. Sirius is delaying their sat rollout till February now, and has scaled back. They gave up an entire floor, and bumped a pantload of people. XM is now nation wide, if anyone noticed. Sales of sets are positively DISMAL. Oh I am so sad... There is not ONE piece of used AM Stereo broadcast equipment for sale in the RW classified this week, and my email inquirys this week alone are over 30- more than any time since Alex and Kevin started their websites. Way-2-GO! CC From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Dec 05 08:32:15 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 5 Dec 2001 16:32:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 16083 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2001 16:32:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2001 16:32:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2001 16:32:13 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.44]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:28:35 -0500 Message-ID: <006701c17da9$bf0e1240$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: Cc: Subject: a fan in Belgium Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:27:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I just this minute got yet another note from an engineer that is developing a laser operated AM stereo system, and is very intrigued by the concept of AM stereo. This is all very cool. (sorry I am so chatty today. But I have been so quiet lately, I am making up for lost time!... :-) CC From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Wed Dec 05 14:55:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8532 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2001 22:55:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2001 22:55:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.74) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2001 22:55:36 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [216.115.96.151] by n24.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2001 22:55:35 -0000 Date: 5 Dec 2001 22:55:32 -0000 Message-ID: <1007592932.71394.76442.w62@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /Srf-42.jpg Uploaded by : kevtronics <76362.2023@compuserve.com> Description : Detailed photo of the Sony SRF-42's circuit board. Shows connections for using it as an AM Stereo decoder (for another radio), and the mod to improve FM sound quality by removing capacitor C14. You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/Srf-42.jpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, kevtronics <76362.2023@compuserve.com> From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Wed Dec 05 15:02:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 46262 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2001 23:02:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2001 23:02:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.60) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2001 23:02:39 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [216.115.97.81] by n10.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2001 23:02:37 -0000 Date: 5 Dec 2001 23:02:33 -0000 Message-ID: <1007593353.20288.87058.w111@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /Srf-42b.jpg Uploaded by : kevtronics <76362.2023@compuserve.com> Description : Close-up photo of the capacitor C14 to be removed/crushed to disable FM Stereo blend feature on the Sony SRF-42 Walkman. You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/Srf-42b.jpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, kevtronics <76362.2023@compuserve.com> From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Wed Dec 05 17:19:18 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 6 Dec 2001 01:19:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 43354 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2001 01:19:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2001 01:19:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.80) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2001 01:19:16 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.44] by n30.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2001 01:19:16 -0000 Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 01:19:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: FM DX / classical music on AM Message-ID: <9umh2i+nhcu@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1752 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.163 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1992321 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics For those of you who happen to be in the northeast USA where we have been experiencing unusually warm weather lately (up to 70 degrees here in NJ when we should be freezing our arses off with snow!), be on the look-out for FM (and perhaps VHF TV) DX. Especially during warm mornings I have been noticing FM stations 75 to 150 miles away coming in as if they were locals, even on radios not really good at DXing. In my case, this is mostly towards the south, with lots of Philadelphia and southern NJ stations coming in loud and clear here in northern-central NJ. These stations are usually only heard on extremely good radios with carefully aimed antennas, but lately during these "sunny DX mornings" I can pick them up on almost anything with little regard to antenna position. There is no unusual AM DX to note with regard to the weather, except for a lot more time for nighttime skywave DXing due to the less hours of daylight (at the expense of on-air time for 'daytimer' stations!). In other news, anybody else notice that both classical music stations that show up in the Kansas City, MO Arbitron ratings are on the AM band? Classical music listeners are normally very demanding of audio fidelity, and I don't think I'm the only one who finds it a bit peculiar that Kansas City has enough people listening to classical music on AM for *two* stations playing it to show up in the ratings! Both of these stations (KXTR and KUPN) are owned by Entercom, which also owns WDAF 610 AM Stereo, the area's top-rated Country music station (tied in the ratings with an Infinity-owned FM station). A total of NINE stations that make the Arbitron list in Kansas City are owned by Entercom, while none are owned by Clear Channel! From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Wed Dec 05 18:04:33 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 6 Dec 2001 02:04:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 2642 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2001 02:04:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2001 02:04:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.58) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2001 02:04:27 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.33] by n8.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2001 02:04:26 -0000 Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 02:04:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: station statistics Message-ID: <9umjn8+pknv@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 945 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.163 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1992321 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics According to my records (which are not necessarily correlated to those on Alex's site), the following numbers of stations are either currently broadcasting in AM Stereo or will be soon pending repair or installation of Stereo equipment: USA: 314 stations Canada: 49 stations Mexico: 35 stations Australia: 26 stations Japan: 16 stations Asia (excl. Japan): 10 stations ** South America: 10 stations Central America: 6 stations Caribbean: 6 stations Africa: 4 stations Europe: 3 stations ------------------- --------------- tentative total 479 stations ** does not include stations in Thailand or other SE Asian countries at the moment. I have info on AM Stereo stations in these countries but I have not got around to adding it to the listings yet. This may be enough to bring the total to over 500! From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Dec 05 19:42:12 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 6 Dec 2001 03:42:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 20160 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2001 03:42:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2001 03:42:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r06.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.102) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2001 03:42:08 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.a9.1f8d5659 (25307) for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 22:41:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 22:41:49 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} FM DX / classical music on AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 12/5/01 8:21:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, 76362.2023@compuserve.com writes: << In my case, this is mostly towards the south, with lots of Philadelphia and southern NJ stations coming in loud and clear here in northern-central NJ. These stations are usually only heard on extremely good radios with carefully aimed antennas, but lately during these "sunny DX mornings" I can pick them up on almost anything with little regard to antenna position. There is no unusual AM DX to note with regard to the weather, except for a lot more time for nighttime skywave DXing due to the less hours of daylight (at the expense of on-air time for 'daytimer' stations!). >> As far as the FM Dxing goes....I've received many reports of my FM stations reaching CT and Mass. during the recent tropo openings due to heavy fog on most mornings and temperature inversions. As far as AM DX goes,I noted on Tuesday evening the absense of many of the usual power houses from the north..only to hear in their place many spanish stations....would have been a great time to know spanish. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.qsl.net/kc4qlp voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! 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What kind of camera are you using? What's the resolution? Anything that makes this photo so excellent? Fancy lighting? Excellent! Thanks - DR On 5 Dec 2001 22:55:32 -0000 amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > >Hello, > >This email message is a notification to let you know that >a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum >group. > > File : /Srf-42.jpg > Uploaded by : kevtronics <76362.2023@compuserve.com> > Description : Detailed photo of the Sony SRF-42's circuit board. Shows connections for using it as an AM Stereo decoder (for another radio), and the mod to improve FM sound quality by removing capacitor C14. > >You can access this file at the URL > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/Srf-42.jpg > >To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit > >http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files > >Regards, > >kevtronics <76362.2023@compuserve.com> > > > > > > >------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -------------------------------------------------- Totally Amazing Search Results - Just C4 Yourself! http://www.C4.com - Total Search Technology From n1ea@c4.com Wed Dec 05 21:05:00 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: n1ea@c4.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 6 Dec 2001 05:04:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 1740 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2001 05:04:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2001 05:04:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailrelay1.chek.com) (208.197.227.116) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2001 05:04:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 3286 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2001 05:04:56 -0000 Received: from ninelives.chek.com (208.197.227.14) by mailrelay1.chek.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2001 05:04:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 13706 invoked by uid 99); 6 Dec 2001 05:04:04 -0000 Date: 6 Dec 2001 05:04:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20011206050404.13704.qmail@ninelives.chek.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Classical ! From: "David J Ring Jr" X-Originating-IP: [216.41.72.137] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Mentioning AM stations playing classical reminds me of that WONDERFUL New York Times station WQKR on Long Island - I guess it is Radio Dizzy now. But I would LOVE to listen to it when I was in the North Atlantic. What a way to spend my lunch hour - feet up on the radio room desk, coffee in hand - the desert from lunch on the desk. Eating, drinking coffee and listening to WQXR. It just doesn't get much better than that - 73 DR -------------------------------------------------- Totally Amazing Search Results - Just C4 Yourself! http://www.C4.com - Total Search Technology From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Wed Dec 05 21:10:29 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 6 Dec 2001 05:10:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 24835 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2001 05:10:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2001 05:10:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.75) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2001 05:10:28 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.146] by n25.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2001 05:09:47 -0000 Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 05:10:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FM DX / classical music on AM Message-ID: <9umuk3+v2uo@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 935 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Originating-IP: 216.192.94.135 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1992321 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > As far as the FM Dxing goes....I've received many reports of my FM > stations reaching CT and Mass. during the recent tropo openings due > to heavy fog on most mornings and temperature inversions. On one summer evening back in August here in New Jersey I heard FM stations ranging all the way from North Carolina to the Cape Cod area of Massachusetts. This, all on a Panasonic walkman using only the headphone cord as the antenna! > As far as AM DX goes,I noted on Tuesday evening the absense of many > of the usual power houses from the north..only to hear in their > place many spanish stations....would have been a great time to know > spanish. I admittedly have forgotten most of my high school Spanish, but I at least remember how the letters and numbers are said, which is good for identifying Spanish-language stations. For example "Doublay-Ooh Pay Ah Tay, Nueve Treinta Ah-Emay Estereo" is "WPAT 930 AM Stereo". From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Wed Dec 05 21:14:15 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 6 Dec 2001 05:14:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 61601 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2001 05:14:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2001 05:14:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.65) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2001 05:14:08 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.126] by n15.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2001 05:13:49 -0000 Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 05:14:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: SRF-42 photo - modification Message-ID: <9umuqu+ikad@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <20011206044242.4859.qmail@meowmix.chek.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 362 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Originating-IP: 216.192.94.135 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1992321 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > What a gorgeous photo. > What kind of camera are you using? What's the resolution? > Anything that makes this photo so excellent? Fancy lighting? > Excellent! Hehe... no camera!! I just plopped the SRF-42 down on my flatbed scanner (like a photocopier). Resolution for the big main photo is 200 dpi, while the smaller close-up was scanned at 400 dpi. From 76362.2023@compuserve.com Wed Dec 05 21:23:35 2001 Return-Path: <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 76362.2023@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 6 Dec 2001 05:23:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 28424 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2001 05:23:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2001 05:23:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.70) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2001 05:23:31 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.40] by n20.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2001 05:18:37 -0000 Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 05:23:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Classical ! Message-ID: <9umvcg+3q03@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <20011206050404.13704.qmail@ninelives.chek.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1328 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" <76362.2023@compuserve.com> X-Originating-IP: 216.192.94.135 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1992321 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Mentioning AM stations playing classical reminds me of that > WONDERFUL New York Times station WQKR on Long Island - I guess it is > Radio Dizzy now. WQXR-FM is still playing Classical, but WQXR-AM switched to WQEW with a Nostalgia format in Stereo circa 1993 and then flipped to Radio Disney in Mono in December 1998. NYC's National Public Radio affiliate, 93.9 WNYC-FM, also plays classical music, but only in boring FM MONO. Sister station 820 WNYC-AM (also mono) only broadcasts talk programs, except for the musical interludes on that excellent show "Whaddaya Know". > What a way to spend my lunch hour - feet up on the radio room desk, > coffee in hand - the desert from lunch on the desk. Eating, > drinking coffee and listening to WQXR. > It just doesn't get much better than that - Classical music is very nice to listen to at work. When you're in the office all day, it is absolutely impossible to listen to any other station without hearing the same songs over and over again, every day. A few stations have a policy of not playing a song more often than every 6 hours, but that's still too often if you listen all day long. And of course, classical music stations always have the absolute best audio processing and sound quality, so they are a delight to listen to just for that aspect of it. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Dec 05 22:07:39 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 6 Dec 2001 06:07:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 94542 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2001 06:07:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2001 06:07:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14201.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.143) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2001 06:07:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20011206060737.67526.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.187] by web14201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 Dec 2001 22:07:37 PST Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 22:07:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: Thanks Station Engineers! To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" , Dennis AMstereo IAAAS List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio A word of thanks to all of the broadcast engineers that are continuing to run their AM Stereo Stations, and a great welcome to those that are just now adding stereo AM to their stations - your commitment to quality is great. And to those engineers that will be blowing off the dust and firing up their old AMS equipment to broadcast stereo AM Christmas Music - THANKS - and maybe consider leaving 'the light on' for a while after the holidays! Great news from out west in Wyoming, Idaho, etc...! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From KC4QLP@aol.com Thu Dec 06 12:40:15 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 6 Dec 2001 20:40:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 96564 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2001 20:40:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2001 20:40:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r10.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.106) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2001 20:40:12 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.107.9d7c4bb (4411); Thu, 6 Dec 2001 15:40:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <107.9d7c4bb.294131a5@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 15:40:05 EST Subject: Re: [amstereo] Thanks Station Engineers! To: amstereo@nrcdxas.org Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp <> Your welcome Johnny---- NewsRadio560 WGAI-AM Stereo-Broadcasting Quality AM Stereo Since 9-16-91 ------((((((AMAX)))))------ where the "light" is always on Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.qsl.net/kc4qlp voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! 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This was posted on the Aussie ng list - and the Oz station listing is nearly complete. - - - - - Thanks all for your help in verifying the list of stations that should shortly appear on www.amstereoradio.com Is anyone there in Sydney, Perth, or Hobart who can advise the status of: 2KY - 1017 6PR - 882 and 7ZR - 936 Also I've got a dispute with 2CH 1170 Sydney - there's definitely a pilot - one response said there is no separation - the other said there definitely is! Could someone else check it out with both ears?? The currenty list of AMS stations transmitting full stereo is: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 4KZ 531 Innisfail, Qld (Easy Listening) 3EE 693 Melbourne, Vic (Magic 693) 4GR 864 Toowoomba, Qld (Variety/60's-90's) 3UZ 927 Melbourne, Vic (Sports Talk/Horse Racing; Sport 927) 4TAB 1008 O Brisbane, Qld (Racing/Sports/50's to Today's Music) 2CA 1053 Canberra, ACT (Good Time Oldies) 3AK 1116 Melbourne, Vic (Talk 1116) 4BC 1116 Brisbane, Qld (News/Talk) 2HD 1143 Newcastle, NSW (Sports/Talk) 3TR 1242 Sale, Vic (Gippsland and The Valley's Best Music) 4AK 1242 Toowoomba, Qld (Top 40) 3AW 1278 Melbourne, Vic (News/Talk) 4BU 1332 Bundaberg, Qld (Classic Hits) 2BS 1503 Bathurst, NSW (Gold) The currenty list of AMS stations - pilot on - no separation are: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 2GB 873 Sydney, NSW (Talk) - Pilot only 2CC 1206 Canberra, ACT (Talk) - Pilot only 2TM 1287 Tamworth, NSW (Talk) - Pilot only 2GN 1368 Goulburn, NSW (Hits and Memories) - Pilot only 3MP 1377 Melbourne, Vic (Easy Music) - Pilot only Turn your exciters on guys!!! Those stations that have gone dark (mono) in recent years are: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 3GG 531 Warragul, Vic (Good Times & Great Music) - Mono 4QR 612 Brisbane, Qld (Talk/Variety; 612 ABC Brisbane) - Mono 2BL 702 Sydney, NSW (Talk/Variety; 702 ABC Sydney) - Mono 2UE 954 Sydney, NSW (Talk) - Mono 5DN 1323 Adelaide, SA (Easy Listening) - Mono Shame on you!!! thanks again Ian From dav259@minerals.csiro.au Fri Dec 07 01:15:04 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@minerals.csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 7 Dec 2001 09:15:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 36100 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2001 09:15:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2001 09:15:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2001 09:15:02 -0000 Received: from mineng (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA08623; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 20:14:54 +1100 (EST) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 20:14:53 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: , iaaas list , amstereoforum Subject: Are you serious??? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24627097 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Hi Richard Thanks for responding. I'm not technical or even "close" as you say you are. But I have holidayed many times on the Gold Coast and 4KQ boomed in as far south as Coolangatta in clear hi-fi stereo. 4BH's signal was weaker - God know why - but it was higher up on the dial and from experience I expect that has something to do with it. But the stereo signal still came through 70 miles away. The Brisbane FM stations didn't rate a decent listen. Would you please try and explain what you mean - especially given my response below from the Manager of Magic 693 down here in Melbourne which is really kicking arse in AM stereo and can be picked up in stereo 100 miles away. Ian - Melbourne - - - - - - - - - - G'day, Yes Magic 693 (3EE) is still broadcasting in glorious stereo. In fact we've made a huge effort over the past couple of years to re-cart hundreds of mono music tracks into stereo - and find better quality versions at the same time. Our music quality has never been better and we plan to keep it that way. Regards, Gary Hoffman (Station Manager) - - - - - - - - - - [Richard's message] Sorry, but I have to agree with Mr Gallagher in this instance. He is absolutely correct with all the points given. I like most, if not all in my position would perhaps listen to radio closer than most (not necessarily more than most) given that I'm an imaging producer at a simulcast FM/AM station, so when it comes to what sounds best in which situation and on what, I'd like to think I have a fairly knowledgeable idea. Transmitting in AM stereo is simply not a viable option especially given KQ's format. Consider this. Most of what KQ plays was originally played off vinyl or cart. Now it's all now from CD which in most cases is mastered from original master tapes or at worst early generation sub masters. KQ I know for a fact has always has a reputation for sorcing the best possible copies of songs available for air play. So my point is this. Even though KQ is transmitting in mono, with better studio equipment, higher spec transmitters, and music from digital sources, you're hearing these songs better on AM now than when they were heard originally. AM simply wasn't made for stereo, even though it was a nice idea. If KQ had a newer music policy, or indeed were an FM station, I'd say you'd have an issue. Enjoy the station for what is was always meant to be. Richard Spears From n0uiheric@aol.com Fri Dec 07 12:48:20 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 7 Dec 2001 20:48:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 93779 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2001 20:48:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2001 20:48:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r01.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.97) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2001 20:48:17 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.b7.1803ede0 (4224) for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 15:48:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 15:48:12 EST Subject: What happened to the AM Receiver Standards Petition? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih What has happened to the Mandatory AM Receiver Standards Petition that Scott filed with the FCC? I haven't been able to locate it on the FCC's Web site. I typed in "Mandatory AM Receiver Standards Petition", and got several unrelated documents on the FCC's Web site. What gives? 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://members.aol.com/n0uiheric/TurnOffClearChannel.html http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/turnoffclearchannel From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Dec 07 18:51:21 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 8 Dec 2001 02:51:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 80979 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 02:51:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2001 02:51:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 02:51:13 -0000 Received: from me (c2m12.dlup.shbtl.means.net [209.105.35.112]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA11001 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 20:51:10 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <005c01c17f93$7a6a6e40$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} What happened to the AM Receiver Standards Petition? Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 20:53:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I'd like to know too. I've NEVER seen it on the FCC website. I wonder if it needs some sort of docket or RM number before they post it? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: > What has happened to the Mandatory AM Receiver Standards Petition that Scott > filed with the FCC? I haven't been able to locate it on the FCC's Web site. I > typed in "Mandatory AM Receiver Standards Petition", and got several > unrelated documents on the FCC's Web site. What gives? From jsgil@hal-pc.org Fri Dec 07 22:00:06 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 8 Dec 2001 05:59:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 88003 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 05:59:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2001 05:59:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.60) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 05:59:40 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.178] by n10.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2001 05:59:40 -0000 Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 05:59:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Decoder Chips Message-ID: <9usa8b+gkuf@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 346 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.41 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst Are AMS decoder chips still in production and where can you get them? Newark and Digikey don't seem to have any info on the availability of any AMS chips. What is Motorola's position on use of their chips by hobbyists regarding licensing. They have this intimidating message box on the front of every C-QuAM data sheet regarding licensing. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Dec 09 16:56:01 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 10 Dec 2001 00:55:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 28504 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2001 00:55:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2001 00:55:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.75) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2001 00:55:59 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.123] by n25.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2001 00:55:14 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 00:55:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Decoder Chips Message-ID: <9v116t+pbnm@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <9usa8b+gkuf@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1845 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.47 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Are AMS decoder chips still in production and where can you get > them? Newark and Digikey don't seem to have any info on the > availability of any AMS chips. Chris knows all the details, but I at least know that the MC13022 is still in production. Chrysler recently renewed their contract with a chip supplier to supply MC13022 AM Stereo decoders for use in their radios. As for the other chips (MC13020, MC13024, MC13028, etc.), they may or may not still be in production, but there are still many available (like hundreds of thousands) if you know which chip supplier to go to. And if Sony is still making the ICF-2010 radio, that means their multi-system AM Stereo decoder is still in production, as the 2010 uses it for ISB reception. The JRC (Japan Radio Co.) NRD-545 DSP communications receiver also has an AM Stereo reception mode, although I don't know which decoder they use. With this model's use of DSP, the AM Stereo function may even be handled through DSP code, with no actual decoder chip. The Visteon CD-6 car radio also uses DSP to receive AM Stereo. In fact that is definitely the future of AM Stereo: receiving it via DSP. That way, implementing AM Stereo in a receiver is simply a matter of adding an extra bit of computer code. It is even possible to eliminate platform motion by using DSP. Blaupunkt uses DSP in their car radios, and I have pestered them to add AM Stereo to it, without much luck. > What is Motorola's position on use of their chips by hobbyists > regarding licensing. They have this intimidating message box on the > front of every C-QuAM data sheet regarding licensing. I think they're just warning you to not "reverse engineer" the decoder chip and design your own using their ideas. If you use the actual Motorola chip itself in a circuit, then that is no problem. From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Dec 09 17:19:16 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 10 Dec 2001 01:19:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 39103 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2001 01:19:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2001 01:19:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2001 01:19:13 -0000 Received: from me (c3m82.dlup.shbtl.means.net [209.105.35.82]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA06087 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 19:19:10 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001601c18118$f8d21400$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <9v116t+pbnm@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Decoder Chips Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 19:21:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude You're probably right, Kevin, but at this stage I doubt if they'd care too much, especially if it were a chip that was out of production. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics > I think they're just warning you to not "reverse engineer" the decoder > chip and design your own using their ideas. If you use the actual > Motorola chip itself in a circuit, then that is no problem. > From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sun Dec 09 19:53:27 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 10 Dec 2001 03:53:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 52653 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2001 03:53:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2001 03:53:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.52) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2001 03:53:25 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.128] by n2.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2001 03:53:25 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 03:53:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Decoder Chips - ISB - Platform Motion Message-ID: <9v1bjh+nkr4@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <9v116t+pbnm@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1319 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.147 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > > And if Sony is still making the ICF-2010 radio, that means their > multi-system AM Stereo decoder is still in production, as the 2010 > uses it for ISB reception. > > DSP. That way, implementing AM Stereo in a receiver is simply a > matter of adding an extra bit of computer code. It is even possible > to eliminate platform motion by using DSP. Blaupunkt uses DSP in > their car radios, and I have pestered them to add AM Stereo to it, > without much luck. > Regarding platform motion. I've always thought that an ISB system be it linear or non-linear is the best approach. Complete channel separation during transmittion even under adverse reception conditions, little to no platform motion to speak of and better signal integrety during decoding. When the envelope is approaching -100% modulation the phase is approaching 0. When the MC13020 chip would receive a Kahn ISB broadcast the cosine corrector circuit tended to behave itself better as there was a lot fewer pops and clicks during interference. How about an ISB version of C-QuAM. Program material could be rephased so that a C-QuAM exciter would operate in this mode. I would think most of the radios that have platform motion solutions are operating in ISB mode. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Dec 10 06:51:06 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 10 Dec 2001 14:51:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 75194 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2001 14:51:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2001 14:51:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14206.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.70) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2001 14:51:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20011210145103.84014.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 06:51:02 PST Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 06:51:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: AMS Hardware Support To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" , Dennis AMstereo IAAAS List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Scott Todd and Mr.560AMS: I'm working on trying to convince two locals to go AMS. I want to make sure that I've got the info correct too - is all they need to do is to stick the Cquam exiciter into the broadcast transmitter Crystal connection? AND do they need any special processing equipment? Can they use their FM processing on the AM? Do they need a special Optimod or Orban processor for AMS, or can they just pipe anything in? Any suggested leads for the hardware? Thanks gentlemen! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From mican2001@home.com Mon Dec 10 14:05:58 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: mican2001@home.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 10 Dec 2001 22:05:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 71103 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2001 22:05:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2001 22:05:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.71) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2001 22:05:55 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.144] by n21.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2001 21:59:42 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 22:05:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Sony SRF-M78. Message-ID: <9v3bk0+udo4@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 389 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "electrostrictive" X-Originating-IP: 192.249.47.11 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public I see that the Sony Style web site has an AM Stereo/FM Stereo Walkman radio available for $49.95 at http://www.sonystyle.com/electronics/ssctypg.jsp? hierc=8627x8650x8664&catid=8664. I am new to this group. Does anyone have any experience with this radio? Is it any good? It seems to be the only AM Stereo/FM Stereo radio available from the Sony Style web site. Stephen G. Mican From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Dec 10 15:28:20 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 10 Dec 2001 23:28:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 5083 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2001 23:28:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2001 23:28:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.57) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2001 23:28:17 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.50] by n7.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2001 23:28:17 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 23:28:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Decoder Chips - ISB - Platform Motion Message-ID: <9v3geg+95ea@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <9v1bjh+nkr4@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 663 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.70.23 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Regarding platform motion. I've always thought that an ISB system > be it linear or non-linear is the best approach. Complete channel > separation during transmittion even under adverse reception > conditions, little to no platform motion to speak of and better > signal integrety during decoding. ISB/Kahn AM Stereo still has platform motion! It's just between the L+R and L-R components, rather than the Left and Right channels. This manifests itself as a strange "phasing" effect when listening in Stereo, and when listening with a surround sound system (where the rear speakers carry the L-R component), you hear *front to back* platform motion! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Dec 10 15:41:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 10 Dec 2001 23:41:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 4483 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2001 23:41:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2001 23:41:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.64) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2001 23:41:32 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.115] by n14.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2001 23:42:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 23:41:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sony SRF-M78. Message-ID: <9v3h78+108ss@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <9v3bk0+udo4@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1312 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.70.23 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I see that the Sony Style web site has an AM Stereo/FM Stereo > Walkman radio available for $49.95 I doubt that this radio actually has AM Stereo. Most unfortunately for us, Sony has an unfortunate habit of mistakenly promoting their radios as having "AM Stereo" when they're really only MONO on the AM band. This has happened several times before. And in this case, if you look at the specifications page for the SRF-M78, it doesn't say anything about AM Stereo. The last AM Stereo-equipped radio that Sony sold in the USA was the SRF-42 Walkman, sold in Radio Shack for $29.99 from about 1994 to 1999. The SRF-42 is no longer in production, and at this point there are probably only a handful left in Radio Shack's inventory across the entire country. A good place to find AM Stereo radios is on eBay (www.ebay.com). Do a search for "AM Stereo" (WITH quotes) and check the "Search title and description" box. Just be sure to double-check whatever radios that come up with the official listing of AM Stereo radios on the AM Stereo web site (www.AMStereoRadio.com). Commonly available AM Stereo radios on eBay include the Realistic TM-152, Sony SRF-42, Sony SRF-A1, Sony SRF-A100, Carver TX-11a (nice but expensive!), and various Chrysler, Ford, and Delco car radios with AM Stereo. From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Dec 10 15:48:50 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 10 Dec 2001 23:48:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 12650 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2001 23:48:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2001 23:48:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.133) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2001 23:48:48 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 15:48:48 -0800 Received: from 209.240.222.130 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 23:48:48 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amfmtvdx@qwest.net Cc: mican2001@home.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony SRF-M78. Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 23:48:48 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2001 23:48:48.0796 (UTC) FILETIME=[36A625C0:01C181D5] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.222.130] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Welcome to the am-stereo groups, Stephan. When I clicked on the link, I got an error message, so then I did a search on the Sony site for the SRF-M78 and what I got didn't mention am-stereo; but keep this in mind, members on this list have in the past found that Sony has more than once indicated a unit as Am-Stereo/Fm-Stereo or Fm/AM-stereo, when in fact it is not am-stereo; I hope in this case this model is am-stereo; I'll be buying one if so. Chris Cuff, is this the mislabeled model you checked out about 6 months ago? donn tillman st petersburg ----Original Message Follows---- From: "electrostrictive" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Sony SRF-M78. Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 22:05:52 -0000 I see that the Sony Style web site has an AM Stereo/FM Stereo Walkman radio available for $49.95 at http://www.sonystyle.com/electronics/ssctypg.jsp? hierc=8627x8650x8664&catid=8664. I am new to this group. Does anyone have any experience with this radio? Is it any good? It seems to be the only AM Stereo/FM Stereo radio available from the Sony Style web site. Stephen G. Mican _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Dec 10 16:11:21 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 11 Dec 2001 00:11:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 71563 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2001 00:11:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2001 00:11:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2001 00:11:19 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.40]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:08:05 -0500 Message-ID: <000901c181d7$b46a4660$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <9v3h78+108ss@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF-M78. Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:06:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 This is the same mistaken one from before. The chowderheads never rectified their mistake. Typical Sony ! CC ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics To: Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 6:41 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF-M78. From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Dec 10 17:46:32 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 11 Dec 2001 01:46:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 2844 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2001 01:46:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2001 01:46:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2001 01:46:25 -0000 Received: from me (c2m60.dlup.shbtl.means.net [209.105.35.160]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA25897 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:46:22 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000c01c181e5$f22528e0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <9v116t+pbnm@eGroups.com> <001601c18118$f8d21400$d3a9fea9@me> Subject: {AMSF} Reverse engineering (was Re: Decoder Chips) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:46:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude BTW- that brings up another question I've been curious about. Just how DO you reverse-engineer a chip like this? ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd > You're probably right, Kevin, but at this stage I doubt if they'd care too > much, especially if it were a chip that was out of production. > > > I think they're just warning you to not "reverse engineer" the decoder > > chip From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Dec 10 18:07:50 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 11 Dec 2001 02:07:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 84126 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2001 02:07:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2001 02:07:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2001 02:07:42 -0000 Received: from me (209-105-35-56.rev.sherbtel.net [209.105.35.56]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA29234 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:07:38 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <006601c181e8$ea532d80$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20011210145103.84014.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS Hardware Support Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:08:59 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude There's a bit more to it than just that. Yes, the exciter plugs into where the crystal normally goes, but they also have to make sure the antenna is broadbanded enough to accept the CQUAM signal. You can sell them on the broadbanding idea by telling them that if their system doesn't pass CQUAM, it won't work for digital in the future. As far as audio processing, it is BEST, but not necessary to use that designed for AMS. yes, you can use FM processors (just make sure everything above 10k is filtered out first), but there will be some sacrifice in loudness if you do. That's the short version. Hope it's enough. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Johnny Electron > Scott Todd and Mr.560AMS: > I'm working on trying to convince two locals to go AMS. I want > to make sure that I've got the info correct too - is all they > need to do is to stick the Cquam exiciter into the broadcast > transmitter Crystal connection? AND do they need any special > processing equipment? Can they use their FM processing on the > AM? Do they need a special Optimod or Orban processor for AMS, > or can they just pipe anything in? Any suggested leads for the > hardware? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Dec 10 20:48:30 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 11 Dec 2001 04:48:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 42838 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2001 04:48:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2001 04:48:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.66) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2001 04:48:28 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.117] by n16.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2001 04:47:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 04:48:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM DX / 535(?) kHz station Message-ID: <9v436m+jc8j@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 808 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.149 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Last night the north-south DX on the AM band appeared to be very strong. On just about every frequency I was getting some sort of Spanish language station, presumably from the Caribbean, Mexico, Central America, or points even further south. That Spanish-language station from the Caribbean on 530 kHz was booming in loud and clear, and they were giving me a steady Stereo indication all the time, but with no separation in the audio. Does anybody know if this station is actually putting out a Stereo pilot, or is it just "falsing" from all the off-frequency TIS stations on 530 kHz? BTW, I've heard that this station is actually on 535 kHz, with 100,000 watts from the Turks & Caicos Islands, but it sounded like it was on exactly 530 kHz... anybody know what frequency they're actually on? From n1ea@c4.com Tue Dec 11 00:14:19 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: n1ea@c4.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 11 Dec 2001 08:14:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 96352 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2001 08:14:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2001 08:14:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailrelay1.chek.com) (208.197.227.116) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2001 08:14:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 10508 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2001 08:14:16 -0000 Received: from ninelives.chek.com (208.197.227.14) by mailrelay1.chek.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2001 08:14:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 12733 invoked by uid 99); 11 Dec 2001 08:13:08 -0000 Date: 11 Dec 2001 08:13:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20011211081308.12732.qmail@ninelives.chek.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: mican2001@home.com, amfmtvdx@qwest.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony SRF-M78. From: "David J Ring Jr" X-Originating-IP: [216.41.32.80] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public See if this link works better. THIS IS DEFINATELY an AM-STEREO Radio. http://www.sonystyle.com/electronics/ssctypg.jsp?hierc=8627x8650x8664&catid=8664 Want a Walkman® Go Ahead - the Shipping's FREE! Featuring an AM Stereo/FM Stereo tuner that lets you enjoy the increasing availability of stereo broadcasts on both AM and FM bands, the Radio Walkman allows you to enjoy a wide variety of radio talk and music programming. Add the convenience of portability plus compact size and you can have listening enjoyment virtually anywhere! [Sports Walkman® Digital AM/FM Stereo Arm Band Radio] SRF-M78 $49.95 Listen Up and Look Good! Strap on Sony's SRF-M78 Sports Radio Walkman® with its Unique Wrap-Around Arm Band. Take on the ultimate fitness... Features Water Resistant Sports Design Unique Wrap-Around Arm Band AM/FM Stereo Digital Synthesized Tuner ================================================ Best Wishes, David Ring On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 23:48:48 +0000 Donn Tillman wrote: > > > > > >Welcome to the am-stereo groups, Stephan. > >When I clicked on the link, I got an error message, so then I did a search >on the Sony site for the SRF-M78 and what I got didn't mention am-stereo; >but keep this in mind, members on this list have in the past found that Sony >has more than once indicated a unit as Am-Stereo/Fm-Stereo or Fm/AM-stereo, >when in fact it is not am-stereo; I hope in this case this model is >am-stereo; I'll be buying one if so. > >Chris Cuff, is this the mislabeled model you checked out about 6 months ago? > >donn tillman >st petersburg >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "electrostrictive" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Sony SRF-M78. >Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 22:05:52 -0000 > >I see that the Sony Style web site has an AM Stereo/FM Stereo Walkman >radio available for $49.95 at >http://www.sonystyle.com/electronics/ssctypg.jsp? >hierc=8627x8650x8664&catid=8664. I am new to this group. Does >anyone have any experience with this radio? Is it any good? It >seems to be the only AM Stereo/FM Stereo radio available from the >Sony Style web site. > >Stephen G. Mican > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> >Quit now for Great >American Smokeout >http://us.click.yahoo.com/0vN8tD/9pSDAA/ySSFAA/CPMolB/TM >---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -------------------------------------------------- Totally Amazing Search Results - Just C4 Yourself! http://www.C4.com - Total Search Technology From n1ea@c4.com Tue Dec 11 00:22:14 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: n1ea@c4.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 11 Dec 2001 08:21:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 33557 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2001 08:21:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2001 08:21:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailrelay1.chek.com) (208.197.227.116) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2001 08:21:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 14801 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2001 08:21:55 -0000 Received: from whiskas.chek.com (208.197.227.138) by mailrelay1.chek.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2001 08:21:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 15008 invoked by uid 99); 11 Dec 2001 08:16:19 -0000 Date: 11 Dec 2001 08:16:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20011211081619.15001.qmail@whiskas.chek.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony SRF-M78. From: "David J Ring Jr" X-Originating-IP: [216.41.32.80] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public I think I better say "This page definately SAYS it is an AM Stereo radio"!!! SONY - knowing them - might even say all this and STILL have it NOT be AMS. DR On 11 Dec 2001 08:13:08 -0000 David J Ring Jr wrote: >See if this link works better. > >THIS IS DEFINATELY an AM-STEREO Radio. http://www.sonystyle.com/electronics/ssctypg.jsp?hierc=8627x8650x8664&catid=8664 Want a Walkman® Go Ahead - the Shipping's FREE! Featuring an AM Stereo/FM Stereo tuner that lets you enjoy the increasing availability of stereo broadcasts on both AM and FM bands, the Radio Walkman allows you to enjoy a wide variety of radio talk and music programming. Add the convenience of portability plus compact size and you can have listening enjoyment virtually anywhere! [Sports Walkman® Digital AM/FM Stereo Arm Band Radio] SRF-M78 $49.95 Listen Up and Look Good! Strap on Sony's SRF-M78 Sports Radio Walkman® with its Unique Wrap-Around Arm Band. Take on the ultimate fitness... Features Water Resistant Sports Design Unique Wrap-Around Arm Band AM/FM Stereo Digital Synthesized Tuner =============================================== -------------------------------------------------- Totally Amazing Search Results - Just C4 Yourself! http://www.C4.com - Total Search Technology From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Dec 11 02:00:43 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 11 Dec 2001 10:00:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 16247 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2001 10:00:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2001 10:00:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2001 10:00:38 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.49]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 04:57:26 -0500 Message-ID: <00e701c1822a$07cb8420$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <20011211081308.12732.qmail@ninelives.chek.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony SRF-M78. Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 04:55:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I made a special trip to Target stores to see this radio. It does NOT have am stereo, nor does it say anywhere on the box or specifications that it has am stereo. This error on Sonys website is inexcusable, especially since it has been listed for so long. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: David J Ring Jr To: Cc: ; Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 3:13 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony SRF-M78. From mican2001@home.com Tue Dec 11 12:19:15 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: mican2001@home.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 11 Dec 2001 20:19:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 68187 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2001 20:19:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2001 20:19:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.60) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2001 20:19:11 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.144] by n10.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2001 20:19:11 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 20:19:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: SRF-M78. Message-ID: <9v5pnt+sv27@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 324 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "electrostrictive" X-Originating-IP: 192.249.47.11 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public I just called Sony Technical Support about the SRF-M78. They confirmed, after checking the spec sheet and owners manual, that this unit is AM mono, and that the web page information is wrong. The individual also checked the latest line of offerings from Sony and none of them are AM stereo. Bummer. Stephen G. Mican From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Dec 11 18:32:55 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 12 Dec 2001 02:32:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 67722 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2001 02:32:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2001 02:32:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2001 02:32:51 -0000 Received: from me (209-105-35-115.rev.sherbtel.net [209.105.35.115]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA07893 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 20:32:48 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00ab01c182b5$9b226aa0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <9v436m+jc8j@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM DX / 535(?) kHz station Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 20:34:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I think it's 530. Seems to me the only station on 535 in the north half of the western hemisphere (may be defunct or moved) was on Grenada. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics > > That Spanish-language station from the Caribbean on 530 kHz was > booming in loud and clear, and they were giving me a steady Stereo > indication all the time, but with no separation in the audio. Does > From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Tue Dec 11 19:13:32 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 12 Dec 2001 03:13:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 29168 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2001 03:13:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2001 03:13:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.159) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2001 03:13:30 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 19:13:30 -0800 Received: from 209.240.222.130 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 03:13:28 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@nrcdxas.org Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM DX / 535(?) kHz station Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 03:13:28 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2001 03:13:30.0523 (UTC) FILETIME=[F98AB6B0:01C182BA] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.222.130] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 The station, I get from here (St Petersburg) is at 530 kc, is not stereo, but does seem to trigger a pilot, anyway they just i.d.'d themselves as broadcasting from the Turks Island in the British West Indies. ~~~original messages follow:~~~~~~~~~ I think it's 530.  Seems to me the only station on 535 in the north half of the western hemisphere (may be defunct or moved) was on Grenada. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics > >That Spanish-language station from the Caribbean on 530 kHz was >booming in loud and clear, and they were giving me a steady Stereo >indication all the time, but with no separation in the audio.  Does _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Dec 11 19:36:51 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 12 Dec 2001 03:36:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 42584 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2001 03:36:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2001 03:36:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.76) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2001 03:36:49 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.156] by n26.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2001 03:31:15 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 03:36:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM DX / 535(?) kHz station Message-ID: <9v6jcg+cvee@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2051 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.84.40 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The station, I get from here (St Petersburg) is at 530 kc, is not > stereo, but does seem to trigger a pilot, anyway they just i.d.'d > themselves as broadcasting from the Turks Island in the British West > Indies. The 1995 World Radio/TV Handbook lists them as being on 535 kHz, so I guess they have moved down to 530 kHz since then to be more compatible with digital radios. In fact there are/were quite a few stations in the Caribbean and South America on 5 kHz intervals. I guess they were just stuck in wherever there was room on the dial. BTW, this station is relayed on (mono) WWRV 1330 in New York City (the one NYC AM station whose signal does not reach into New Jersey at all). I also heard Spanish language programming on 670 kHz last night. My best guess is this was 670 CMQ with 50,000 watts from Cuba. In fact, CMQ is popular enough with Cuban-Americans in Florida that they named an American station after it: 1700 WCMQ in Miami Springs, "la Nueva CMQ" (the New CMQ), a former AM Stereo station before changing to a sports format. Before the band got crowded, I regularly received 1700 WCMQ on my Sony SRF-42 walkman, using only its built-in ferrite bar antenna -- that's a good 1000 miles away from here in NJ! And a couple years ago when 710 WOR in New York City was installing a new transmitter and was frequently was on a non-directional 10,000-watt backup transmitter, I heard Spanish language programming underneath them. Again, this was most likely from Cuba; in this case, 710 CMW with a claimed 150,000 watts, also carrying the "Radio Rebelde" format like CMQ and dozens of other stations across Cuba. The second most popular Cuban AM radio format is "Radio Reloj" (literally "Clock Radio"), heard on many frequencies across the dial with continuous clock ticking over news programming with a beep and a Morse code "RR" at the beginning of every minute. Obviously this makes it very easy to identify -- even if you can't hear the actual voices, you can hear the clock ticks and beeps! From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Dec 11 20:33:52 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 12 Dec 2001 04:33:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 21825 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2001 04:33:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2001 04:33:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11708.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.74) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2001 04:33:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20011212043349.73288.qmail@web11708.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.80.145.37] by web11708.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 20:33:49 PST Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 20:33:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM DX / 535(?) kHz station To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <9v6jcg+cvee@eGroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Radio Reloj should be renamed "Radio Diablo" because their male announcer sounds like what satan would sound like. Scary. Not to mention the overmod I get on that station. I'm scared to tune around 570 for fear of getting that station. I can't wait for the day Castro dies. 73, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Dec 11 22:35:39 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 12 Dec 2001 06:35:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 91834 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2001 06:35:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2001 06:35:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11702.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.68) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2001 06:35:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20011212063537.42804.qmail@web11702.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.80.145.37] by web11702.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 22:35:37 PST Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 22:35:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} 3MP - THANKS ALL!!! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Ian, can I get a tape too? Thanks for Magic 693. I wish I could tape a station here, or actually be a part of a stereo station. I can't: there aren't any local stereo stations. By the way, what's up w/ WBZ? 73, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dav259@minerals.csiro.au Tue Dec 11 23:29:25 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@minerals.csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 12 Dec 2001 07:29:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 70462 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2001 07:29:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2001 07:29:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2001 07:29:22 -0000 Received: from mineng (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA26497 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:29:20 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:29:20 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 3MP - THANKS ALL!!! In-Reply-To: <20011212063537.42804.qmail@web11702.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24627097 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Jay Rogers wrote: > Ian, can I get a tape too? Thanks for Magic 693. I > wish I could tape a station here, or actually be a > part of a stereo station. I can't: there aren't any > local stereo stations. By the way, what's up w/ WBZ? Sure Jay I should charge Magic a fee as part-time promotions manager. :) Give me your address off-list. btw - you Florida guys have alot of work to do - are there any TV/radio columns/supplements that publish e-mail submitted letters? My Bob Green alias is dying to live there for a while. It's supposed to be summer here and we haven't had a hot day since September. :( Ian Magic Melbourne From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Dec 12 15:12:02 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 12 Dec 2001 23:12:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 65968 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2001 23:11:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2001 23:11:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2001 23:11:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20011212231159.54204.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.162.18.173] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 15:11:59 PST Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 15:11:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: Telegraph Road & More To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" , Dennis AMstereo IAAAS List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Yo Southfield Mark (and all): The beginning (or the end) of Telegraph Road is down here in Toledo then zips up through Monroe, Lincoln Park etc... It's very exciting about "The Switch Is ON" with our mates in Australia! IMO, our team focus should be: -US Ma & Pa stations (exciters and receivers) -Australia -Canada -Japan, and all points West Then, I'm gonna ask Santa Claus for a way for us to get, build, borrow or steal a sh*tload of AMS radios to flood these 'good' AMS music stations that promote AMS. :) ;< :] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Bossmsx@aol.com Wed Dec 12 16:39:31 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 13 Dec 2001 00:39:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 13356 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2001 00:39:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2001 00:39:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2001 00:39:28 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.42.1eece6ee (4324) for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:39:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <42.1eece6ee.294952bc@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:39:24 EST Subject: WMIB/WODX To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP US sub 50 From: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, it's been a while since I've posted to any AMS group....Just joined this one today. Was reading (in the message archives) the posts on WMIB/Marco Island, Fla.....Surprised that no one has mentioned that the Stereo is lacking on them as of late...It appears that new owners have silenced the AM Stereo on both 1660/WMIB and sister WODX/1480, both of which used to broadcast in glorious AM Stereo. My last visit to the area turned up NO pilot tone on either WODX or WMIB, well, one day I was getting a flickering "ST" light on WMIB, but it could've just been falsing. Tony Simon/Miami, Fla. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Dec 12 17:25:52 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 13 Dec 2001 01:25:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 59907 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2001 01:25:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2001 01:25:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2001 01:25:49 -0000 Received: from me (209-105-35-50.rev.sherbtel.net [209.105.35.50]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA01664 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:25:46 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <003201c18375$699a0b80$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20011212063537.42804.qmail@web11702.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} 3MP - THANKS ALL!!! Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:28:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude They installed a new transmitter and wanted to make sure everything was working right before resuming stereo. They do plan on being stereo again. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Rogers To: Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 12:35 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} 3MP - THANKS ALL!!! > By the way, what's up w/ WBZ? From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Dec 13 17:43:08 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 14 Dec 2001 01:43:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 80252 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2001 01:43:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2001 01:43:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.78) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2001 01:43:06 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.151] by n28.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2001 01:43:05 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 01:43:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: making circuit boards Message-ID: <9vblf4+gh59@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1285 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereodude" X-Originating-IP: 209.105.35.143 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude So what's the trick to making decent circuit boards? Up til now I relied on Rat Shack prototyping boards and such, but when it came to finding a board to fit the MC13022 decoder chip I bought some years ago, I never found anything to my liking so I decided to do my own. The two biggest problems I run into is ending up with little flecks of copper on the board in areas where it should be cleared away, and of course it always seems to happen right between two narrowly spaced traces or pads where it's sure to cause a short, the other problem is probably related and seems to be caused by (I would guess) the board somehow getting dirty between the time I put the transfers on and the time I drop it into the acid, causing a large spot of copper to be left where it shouldn't be. I scrub the raw board like the directions say, and I keep my hands and work area clean. Also, what does anyone use to protect large areas of copper? I find that a sharpie marker is good for making traces and smaller puddles of copper, but if I try to do a large area there always seem to be thin spots that will get eaten through. Scott Todd PS Why is it if I attempt to post or forward something the filter disallows, I can't post messages til the next day unless I come here? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Dec 13 18:13:11 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 14 Dec 2001 02:13:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 25014 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2001 02:13:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2001 02:13:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.66) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2001 02:13:09 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.115] by n16.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2001 02:12:34 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 02:13:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Radio Locator Message-ID: <9vbn7g+e02k@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 373 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.75.37 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Here's one radio station information site that offers coverage maps, for both AM and FM stations: http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/home I have found the maps to be pretty accurate, except they do not take into account the influence of co-channel and adjacent-channel stations, which especially on FM can significantly reduce the coverage in certain directions. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Dec 13 18:19:24 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 14 Dec 2001 02:19:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 51028 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2001 02:19:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2001 02:19:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.76) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2001 02:19:21 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.162] by n26.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2001 02:13:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 02:19:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: making circuit boards Message-ID: <9vbnj7+p6bg@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <9vblf4+gh59@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 666 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.75.37 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > PS Why is it if I attempt to post or forward something the filter > disallows, I can't post messages til the next day unless I come > here? The Yahoo system records for this group don't show you as having any messages rejected (bounced) by the system, so perhaps the trouble is on your end. Check the settings in your e-mail program. Make sure you are sending the messages from the e-mail address that you are subscribed to the group as. (Messages to be posted to this group are only allowed from e-mail addresses of subscribed members, while anybody can come to the Forum's web site and post from there, even if they are not subscribed to the group.) From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Dec 14 00:55:03 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 14 Dec 2001 08:55:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 94840 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2001 08:55:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2001 08:55:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2001 08:55:00 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.39]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 03:51:57 -0500 Message-ID: <006b01c1847c$57fa09e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <9vblf4+gh59@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} making circuit boards Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 03:50:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Go to www.circuitspecialists.com - they have all the material you need, at great prices. I use their dry Ferric Chloride powder- just add water, and it works great. They have all the photo sensative PC boards as well. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: amstereodude To: Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 8:43 PM Subject: {AMSF} making circuit boards > So what's the trick to making decent circuit boards? From jsgil@hal-pc.org Fri Dec 14 03:15:55 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 14 Dec 2001 11:15:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 80931 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2001 11:15:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2001 11:15:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.61) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2001 11:15:53 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.34] by n11.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2001 11:15:53 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 11:15:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: making circuit boards Message-ID: <9vcn16+vdch@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <9vblf4+gh59@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1270 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.38 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "amstereodude" wrote: > The two biggest problems I run into is ending up with little flecks of > copper on the board in areas where it should be cleared away, and of > course it always seems to happen right between two narrowly spaced > traces or pads where it's sure to cause a short, the other problem is > probably related and seems to be caused by (I would guess) the board > somehow getting dirty between the time I put the transfers on and the > time I drop it into the acid, causing a large spot of copper to be > left where it shouldn't be. I scrub the raw board like the directions > say, and I keep my hands and work area clean. Also, what does anyone > use to protect large areas of copper? I find that a sharpie marker is > good for making traces and smaller puddles of copper, but if I try to > do a large area there always seem to be thin spots that will get eaten Some suggest to scrub it with steel wool or comet but if you use the iron on process it recomends not to use comet but to also use a solvent like acetone. Get some latex or cotton gloves or get a piece of paper to place over the board to protect it while drawing. Nail polish makes a good filler for big spots and is fast drying. From mmalm@btinet.net Fri Dec 14 10:31:54 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: mmalm@btinet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 14 Dec 2001 18:31:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 36200 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2001 18:31:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2001 18:31:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.81) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2001 18:31:52 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.38] by n31.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2001 18:31:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 18:31:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Chrysler AM stereo radios Message-ID: <9vdgip+bb8o@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 629 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "n0faz" X-Originating-IP: 24.220.28.132 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83590293 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0faz Hi, I'm new to this forum, but have been an AM stereo fan for a few years now. I'm currently working on building a home stereo tuner out of a 1989 Chrysler radio. I'm curious about a couple of things. I thought that Chrysler stopped equiping it's radios with AM stereo in the early 90s? I've a 1994 Grand Caravan, and it's radio does not indicate that it receives AM stereo. If these radios are still available what years/models where they in? Thanks Mark Oh.....and by the way, Cumulus sucks the big wet one! They knocked the stereo signal out of our local power house (KFYR 550khz) over a year ago. Bastards! From KC4QLP@aol.com Fri Dec 14 11:13:20 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 14 Dec 2001 19:13:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 77659 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2001 19:13:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2001 19:13:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2001 19:13:18 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.e.16fa622d (4242); Fri, 14 Dec 2001 14:13:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 14:13:11 EST Subject: {AMSF} Ramsey and AM Stereo--questions brought out to the forum To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@topica.com, amstereoradio@topica.com, amstereo@nrcdxas.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Hello to all on the lists...hope all of you are doing well. I have posted a question on the Ramsey Kits webpage...and surprisely enough there are positive responses. Chris C. take note of this...this could very well possibly give AM Stereo more exposure. Heres the link for all of you to take a peek at. Ramsey Electronics Bulletin Board : AM transmitter ----AM STEREO anyone? Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.qsl.net/kc4qlp voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From n1ea@arrl.net Fri Dec 14 11:49:18 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: n1ea@arrl.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 14 Dec 2001 19:49:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 91896 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2001 19:49:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2001 19:49:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.60) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2001 19:49:16 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.135] by n10.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2001 19:49:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 19:49:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ramsey and AM Stereo--questions brought out to the forum Message-ID: <9vdl3p+j1ol@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 695 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "djringjr" X-Originating-IP: 63.209.234.122 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77032563 X-Yahoo-Profile: djringjr Try this - your mail program bent the URL - but maybe it is Yahoo / egroups!!! We will see I'm posting directly from the groups home. http://www.ramseyelectronics.com/cgi-bin/ultimate/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=000030 I UNchecked the "wrap message text" button!!! 73 David Ring --- In amstereoforum@y..., KC4QLP@a... wrote: > Hello to all on the lists...hope all of you are doing well. > > I have posted a question on the Ramsey Kits webpage...and surprisely enough there are positive responses. Chris C. take note of this...this could very well possibly give AM Stereo more exposure. > > Heres the link for all of you to take a peek at. *********snip****** > Bob Carter From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Dec 14 13:47:09 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 14 Dec 2001 21:47:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 50790 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2001 21:47:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2001 21:47:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.73) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2001 21:47:03 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.117] by n23.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2001 21:47:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 21:46:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Ramsey and AM Stereo--questions brought out to the forum Message-ID: <9vds0j+uono@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1192 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I have posted a question on the Ramsey Kits webpage...and surprisely > enough there are positive responses. Chris C. take note of this... > this could very well possibly give AM Stereo more exposure. Bob's HTML link didn't come through intact in the message, so I have added the link to the AM Stereo Forum's bookmarks section, which can be found at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/links/ Click on "Ramsey Electronics" and it will take you to the message board Bob mentioned. FWIW, I asked Ramsey back in 1995 or 1996 about offering a low-power AM Stereo transmitter (this was long before the "Alfredo Lite" existed) and they said I was the only one to ask about it, and they had no plans for such a thing. Also, back in the early 1990s, electronics kit competitor Panaxis (http://www.panaxis.com) offered an AM Stereo receiver kit, based on the MC13024 chip -- they even featured it on the front cover of one of their 1993 catalogs -- but it is long gone by now. Panaxis now offers very high quality AM mono transmitters (crystal controlled with a frequency response of 20 to 20,000 Hz and less than 0.5% distortion) but unfortunately no AM Stereo models. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Dec 14 13:49:10 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 14 Dec 2001 21:49:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 31485 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2001 21:49:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2001 21:49:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.64) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2001 21:49:07 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.49] by n14.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2001 21:50:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 21:49:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Ramsey and AM Stereo--questions brought out to the forum Message-ID: <9vds4f+h4kc@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <9vdl3p+j1ol@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 378 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Try this - your mail program bent the URL - but maybe it is Yahoo / > egroups!!! Sorry, Yahoo does not like long URL lines. It always splits them up at the line wrap. So, if anybody has any long URLs to share, please add them to the Bookmarks section of the AM Stereo Forum web site. Just go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum and click on "Bookmarks". From n1ea@c4.com Fri Dec 14 19:53:03 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: n1ea@c4.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 15 Dec 2001 03:53:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 42994 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2001 03:53:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2001 03:53:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailrelay1.chek.com) (208.197.227.116) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2001 03:53:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 23071 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2001 03:52:59 -0000 Received: from ninelives.chek.com (208.197.227.14) by mailrelay1.chek.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2001 03:52:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 16958 invoked by uid 99); 15 Dec 2001 03:51:38 -0000 Date: 15 Dec 2001 03:51:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20011215035138.16957.qmail@ninelives.chek.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re:{AMSF} Re: Ramsey and AM Stereo--questions brought out to the forum From: "David J Ring Jr" X-Originating-IP: [216.41.28.106] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public I went to egroups web site and posted the URL - and it didn't bend. Just uncheck "wrap words" at the bottom. David Ring On Fri, 14 Dec 2001 21:49:03 -0000 kevtronics wrote: >> Try this - your mail program bent the URL - but maybe it is Yahoo / >> egroups!!! > >Sorry, Yahoo does not like long URL lines. It always splits them up >at the line wrap. > >So, if anybody has any long URLs to share, please add them to the >Bookmarks section of the AM Stereo Forum web site. Just go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >and click on "Bookmarks". > > > >------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> >Call any Phone in the World from your PC with CrystalVoice >-LOW rates world-wide - $0.039/min in U.S. >FREE trial. Click here. >http://us.click.yahoo.com/Ib1xVB/IxbDAA/ySSFAA/CPMolB/TM >---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -------------------------------------------------- Totally Amazing Search Results - Just C4 Yourself! http://www.C4.com - Total Search Technology From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Dec 14 20:05:19 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 15 Dec 2001 04:05:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 92035 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2001 04:05:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2001 04:05:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2001 04:05:13 -0000 Received: from me (209-105-35-144.rev.sherbtel.net [209.105.35.144]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA24504 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 22:05:10 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000f01c1851e$07058580$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <9vbnj7+p6bg@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: making circuit boards Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 22:07:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude That's just it- I've made no changes at all, and I've always sent the messages from my home account, but occasionally I'll get a message that my email address isn't subscribed, though I got this message just fine. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics > The Yahoo system records for this group don't show you as having any > messages rejected (bounced) by the system, so perhaps the trouble is > on your end. Check the settings in your e-mail program. Make sure > you are sending the messages from the e-mail address that you are > subscribed to the group as. (Messages to be posted to this group are From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Dec 14 21:04:50 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 15 Dec 2001 05:04:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 79270 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2001 05:04:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2001 05:04:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2001 05:04:48 -0000 Received: from me (209-105-35-144.rev.sherbtel.net [209.105.35.144]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA00892 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 23:04:41 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <007501c18526$577dd3c0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <9vdgip+bb8o@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Chrysler AM stereo radios Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 23:07:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Chrysler quit AMS in all but their premium radios in early 92. It was reintroduced to a small number of other nonpremium sets (though far from all) in late 94, IIRC. BTW- KFYR is Clear Channel, not Cumulus, but both are AMS killers. Since it's a local call for you, please do me a favor and call their GM. His name is Todd Mitchell, and ask him if the AMS gear is still around and how much they might want for it if they still have it sitting on a shelf somewhere. Let me know what he says; I'd like to rescue the gear if at all possible. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: n0faz thought that Chrysler stopped equiping it's radios with AM stereo in > the early 90s? > > Mark > > Oh.....and by the way, Cumulus sucks the big wet one! They knocked > the stereo signal out of our local power house (KFYR 550khz) over a > year ago. Bastards! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Dec 14 21:07:40 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 15 Dec 2001 05:07:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 107 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2001 05:07:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2001 05:07:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.70) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2001 05:07:38 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.126] by n20.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2001 05:01:46 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 05:07:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: making circuit boards Message-ID: <9velqm+ls06@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <000f01c1851e$07058580$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 634 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.8 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > That's just it- I've made no changes at all, and I've always sent > the messages from my home account, but occasionally I'll get a > message that my email address isn't subscribed, though I got this > message just fine. You are subscribed as "stodd@sherbtel.net". If you wish to post messages via e-mail from another address besides that, you have to subsribe that address separately (just set it to "no e-mail" so you won't get a duplicate of messages that are posted to the Forum). Or, e-mail me privately with the alternate e-mail addresses you wish to be able to use to post messages with, and I'll set them up for you. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Dec 14 21:34:46 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 15 Dec 2001 05:34:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 59670 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2001 05:34:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2001 05:34:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.66) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2001 05:34:44 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.152] by n16.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2001 05:34:09 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 05:34:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Chrysler AM stereo radios Message-ID: <9vendj+g2gj@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <007501c18526$577dd3c0$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2527 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.8 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Chrysler quit AMS in all but their premium radios in early 92. It > was reintroduced to a small number of other nonpremium sets (though > far from all) in late 94, IIRC. Up until recently, all Chrysler "Infinity" and "Infinity Gold" radios had AM Stereo. Also, many premium Chrysler radios with 5-band graphic equalizer also have AM Stereo even though they are not labelled as Infinity. Some in the 1980s even had a dedicated AM Stereo On/Off switch. The 1994 and up models with a 5-band graphic equalizer and speaker "joystick" control are the highest quality AM Stereo radios Chrysler has ever produced. They use the advanced Motorola MC13022 decoder chip with automatically variable IF and audio bandwidth depending on signal strength. It ranges from about 5 kHz bandwidth for very weak signals to full 10 kHz AMAX bandwidth for moderate to strong signals. Sensitivity is excellent across the dial, even up in the Expanded Band were many radios have poor reception. I had my first ever experience of AM Stereo back in March 1995 with the "Infinity Gold" radio in our then-new 1995 Jeep. Even after years of comparing it to other AM Stereo radios of all types, I still think it is one of the best AM Stereo radios, both in reception and in sound quality, that I have ever used. People always rave about the Delco UX-1 as being the best, but I think that's only because they haven't heard this type of Chrysler radio. The current Chrysler "RAZ" CD/cassette combo radio still has AM Stereo via the MC13022 decoder chip (and is even advertised in Chrysler literature as "AM Stereo/FM Stereo"), but unfortunately it is stuck in narrow bandwidth mode all the time. > BTW- KFYR is Clear Channel, not Cumulus, but both are AMS killers. Clear Channel has at least three of their stations currently broadcasting in AM Stereo: 580 WHP in Harrisburg, PA, 960 KABL in Oakland, CA, and 1670 WRNC in Georgia. One of the DJs on KABL, "Carter B.", has even been known to mention on the air that KABL broadcasts in AM Stereo. I have contacted KABL's engineer and he says he has heard of no corporate policy at Clear Channel regarding AM Stereo; nobody in the company has told him to turn it off at KABL. OTOH, Infinity/CBS and Disney/ABC have a fairly neutral stance on AM Stereo; some stations use it, others don't. And luckily, we have companies like Crawford, Greater Media, Entercom, Mega, and Multicultural Media as radio station owners that actively support AM Stereo on their stations. From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Dec 15 08:24:17 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 15 Dec 2001 16:24:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 41461 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2001 16:24:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2001 16:24:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2001 16:24:15 -0000 Received: from me (209-105-35-133.rev.sherbtel.net [209.105.35.133]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA00962 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 10:24:12 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001301c18585$459ac500$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <9velqm+ls06@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: making circuit boards Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 10:26:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude But I'm not attempting to post from another address. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics > You are subscribed as "stodd@sherbtel.net". If you wish to post > messages via e-mail from another address besides that, you have to > subsribe that address separately (just set it to "no e-mail" so you > won't get a duplicate of messages that are posted to the Forum). > From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sat Dec 15 12:46:36 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 15 Dec 2001 20:46:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 55823 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2001 20:46:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2001 20:46:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.60) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2001 20:46:34 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.47] by n10.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2001 20:46:34 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 20:46:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Audio Compression on XM Message-ID: <9vgcra+rshl@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 674 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.65 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst A while back someone had mentioned that the XM broadcast sounded compressed and there was no reason to do dynamic range compression for digital. Well it just came to mind. If you reduce the dynamic range then you can use a smaller word size for each sample. Instead of 16 bit you could use 12 bit per word and split one of the words between the channel on stereo for a 24 bit word reducing data rate by 25%. You could also use a nonlinear sample size like 8 bit Mu-Law optimizing s/n quantatizing noise. I don't know how much this could be applied to mpeg compression though. Or may be they're stuck on the idea that their station must sound the louder than the others. From rob_schaller@hotmail.com Sat Dec 15 16:30:39 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rob_schaller@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 16 Dec 2001 00:30:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 79720 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2001 00:30:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2001 00:30:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.21.99) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2001 00:30:37 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 16:30:36 -0800 Received: from 12.249.144.165 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 00:30:36 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: Chrysler AM Stereo Radios Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 00:30:36 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2001 00:30:36.0915 (UTC) FILETIME=[E1AB7C30:01C185C8] From: "Rob Schaller" X-Originating-IP: [12.249.144.165] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88071317 Hello: Just recently joined this forum and saw the discussion about Chrysler AM stereo radios. I agree with "kevtronics" about his comments regarding the radios with 5-band EQ's. I have one in my car and the sound quality of AM stereo is great, far better than what I have heard in other AM stereo units for car use. I recently bought, but haven't installed yet, the cassette/CD combo unit that has the MC13022 AM stereo decoder. I was somewhat dishearten to hear that the IF bandwidth is not apative to rx'ed signal strength and that the frequency response of strong AM stereo stations will not be what I've been used to. I am not familar with MC13022 chip, although I did a project in college involving the MC13020. Would a modification to allow for adaptive IF bandwidth control be fairly easy to? I'd welcome email, public or private about modifying Chyrsler AM stereo radios. I now have 4 different models and would also like to get some schematics for these if that is possible. Thanks again for any advice you might offer me. 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From dav259@minerals.csiro.au Sat Dec 15 16:55:18 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@minerals.csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 16 Dec 2001 00:55:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 4494 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2001 00:55:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2001 00:55:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2001 00:55:16 -0000 Received: from mineng (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12079 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 11:55:14 +1100 (EST) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 11:55:14 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: making circuit boards In-Reply-To: <000f01c1851e$07058580$d3a9fea9@me> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24627097 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Fri, 14 Dec 2001, Scott Todd wrote: > That's just it- I've made no changes at all, and I've always sent the > messages from my home account, but occasionally I'll get a message that my > email address isn't subscribed, though I got this message just fine. Scott - do you sometimes use different mailers? My inbox will accept mail to about eight different versions on a theme. But when I send from Pine it always appears from dav259@minerals.csiro.au. When I send from Outlook it always appears from Ian.Davidson@csiro.au. There is nothing that I can do about it (except appeal to the work computer gurus who frankly have better things to worry about). Send yourself a few messages from work, home, different PCs, etc and look at what appears in the from field. Ian From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Dec 15 17:50:43 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 16 Dec 2001 01:50:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 8813 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2001 01:50:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2001 01:50:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.80) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2001 01:50:41 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.129] by n30.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2001 01:50:41 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 01:50:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Chrysler AM Stereo Radios Message-ID: <9vgulg+3t4m@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1145 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.85.8 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I am not familar with MC13022 chip, although I did a project in > college involving the MC13020. Would a modification to allow for > adaptive IF bandwidth control be fairly easy to? For the "RAZ" CD/cassette radio you're talking about, Chris Cuff has an easy mod involving adding a small capacitor across the ceramic filter that will improve bandwidth and audio fidelity. Hopefully he can chime in with the details, as he is quite knowledgeable about this particular model of Chrysler radio. p.s. Yes, this is Kevin Tekel here, although for some reason my ID is only showing up as "kevtronics", without my full name. I checked all the possible settings on Yahoo and I still can't figure out a way to fix that. I wish I could, because I come from the days on CompuServe when it was a *requirement* that everybody use their full real name, and that gave discussions a more personal atmosphere than when everybody is using "handles" or "screen names". Of course these days there are a whole lot more people on-line, and there are legitimate privacy concerns about using real names on-line, but still... I reminisce... :-) From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Dec 15 17:54:45 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 16 Dec 2001 01:54:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 82847 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2001 01:54:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2001 01:54:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.80) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2001 01:54:43 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.129] by n30.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2001 01:54:42 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 01:54:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Welcome new members! Message-ID: <9vgut0+kcgt@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 490 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Announce: yes From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.85.8 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics A big warm welcome goes out to all the members who have joined the AM Stereo Forum recently. It is encouraging to see that interest in AM Stereo continues to grow. I hope you all will find the AM Stereo Forum to be a great place to talk about AM Stereo and all related topics. And don't worry... even if you're not quite as technically inclined as some of the people here, don't be afraid to participate and contribute! Kevin Tekel kevtronics@yahoo.com co-Sysop of The AM Stereo Forum From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Dec 15 20:29:37 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 16 Dec 2001 04:29:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 24581 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2001 04:29:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2001 04:29:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.76) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2001 04:29:32 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.158] by n26.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2001 04:23:24 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 04:29:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Web site update Message-ID: <9vh7va+uv00@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 546 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.85.8 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics With the help of my illustrious webmaster, the AM Stereo Advantage's Sound site has just been updated, with several new recordings, including: * a clip from 1210 WPHT's "Sounds Of Sinatra" music program * an excellent sports promo as heard on 1450 WCTC * two recordings of the late "Radio Aahs" children's format on 1660 WJDM (before Radio Disney copied it and put Aahs out of business) * and finally, a clip from our own Chris Cuff's brief stint as a DJ on 1630 KCJJ! Check it all out at: http://www.geocities.com/amstereoexp/sound.htm From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Dec 15 21:48:58 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 16 Dec 2001 05:48:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 85830 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2001 05:48:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2001 05:48:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.54) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2001 05:48:56 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.88] by n4.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2001 05:48:56 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 05:48:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Web site update - Oops! Message-ID: <9vhck7+1bi7@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <9vh7va+uv00@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 368 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.83.23 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Unfortunately, unexpected web server problems have cropped up, rendering most of these new MP3 files unavailable. Thankfully, alternative web servers are standing by and ready to be used, and it is just a matter of transferring the files over... but a 28.8K modem can only work so fast, so be prepared for some "file not found" errors over the next day or two! From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Dec 16 01:11:27 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 16 Dec 2001 09:11:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 18805 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2001 09:11:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2001 09:11:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2001 09:11:24 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.23]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 04:07:33 -0500 Message-ID: <00d101c18610$f9a93820$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <9vgulg+3t4m@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Chrysler AM Stereo Radios Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 04:06:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 It is indeed easy to widen these radios up- you need to locate the IF ceramic filter- a yellowish orange rectangle with 3 offset leads- Put a 5pf cap across the two leads that are at each far corner. This WILL cause bleedover on strong stations, so a little switch can be used. No schematics are available as far as I know. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics To: Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 8:50 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Chrysler AM Stereo Radios From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Dec 16 01:20:39 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 16 Dec 2001 09:20:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 55973 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2001 09:20:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2001 09:20:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2001 09:20:37 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.23]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 04:16:46 -0500 Message-ID: <00d701c18612$43a1e020$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <9vh7va+uv00@eGroups.com> Subject: I'm still here! Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 04:15:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I know I have been quiet lately- and with good reason. I started a yahoo group for old Christmas light collectors which turned out to be WAY more active than I bargained for! I have over 100 posts a day now to sift through! (I know Kevin understands- when i first met him over 3 years ago, he had a set of Christmas lights strung across the basement- so I knew we would become friends... ) Anyway, I am reading all the radio posts, and after the season ends in a week or 2, I will be back to full-time radio. Best to all! Chris From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Dec 16 10:26:36 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 16 Dec 2001 18:26:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 3946 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2001 18:26:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2001 18:26:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.82) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2001 18:26:27 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.47] by n32.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2001 18:26:27 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 18:26:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Web site back on line Message-ID: <9vip0h+q8dl@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <9vhck7+1bi7@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 349 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.83.23 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Thanks to the use of three web servers that are at least known to be semi-reliable, and an automated overnight uploading session, I am happy to report that the AM Stereo Advantage MP3 site is now fully back in action. All files listed are available for downloading. Again, it can be found at: http://www.geocities.com/amstereoexp/sound.htm From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Dec 16 10:52:00 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 16 Dec 2001 18:51:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 56644 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2001 18:51:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2001 18:51:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.80) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2001 18:51:53 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.153] by n30.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2001 18:51:52 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 18:51:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1500 WTOP now testing IBOC DAB Message-ID: <9viqg7+dnrn@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1279 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.83.23 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Here is an unconfirmed report from another message board: - - - - AM IBOC Testing Posted by carlvanorden on December 16, 2001 at 13:00:35: Last night between midnight and 4am this morning, WTOP in Washington began testing IBOC. I was wondering if anyone, who may have a digital receiver, had an opportunity to hear the test, and to report on what it sounded like. WTOP puts in an exceptional signal all over the Northeast. The analog signal had a bit of a whistle to it, but did not seem to deviate to adjacent channels. - - - - I had my own "Alfredo Lite" AM Stereo transmitter operating on 1500 kHz at the time, so I didn't have a chance to hear the debut of their IBOC tests. Interestingly, WTOP has been listed as a test station on the IBOC web site for over a year now, but this is the first I've heard of them actually using it on the air. 880 WCBS and 960 KABL are also listed as test stations, even though they're not, especially since Clear Channel-owned 960 KABL is broadcasting in C-Quam AM Stereo with full Stereo sound! Also, on the FM side, 102.7 WNEW-FM in New York City did test IBOC for a while, but abandoned it after constant complaints about a loud "buzzing" interference it was causing to adjacent stations on 102.5 and 102.9 MHz. From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Dec 16 17:53:00 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 17 Dec 2001 01:52:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 67071 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2001 01:52:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2001 01:52:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2001 01:52:57 -0000 Received: from me (209-105-35-145.rev.sherbtel.net [209.105.35.145]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA09551 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 19:52:53 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001301c1869d$e4869fe0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: making circuit boards Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 19:55:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I have one mail service from home. I don't post here with any other. The times I'm most apt to have problems is if I receive something and want to forward it to the group. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Davidson > > > That's just it- I've made no changes at all, and I've always sent the > > messages from my home account, but occasionally I'll get a message that my > > email address isn't subscribed, though I got this message just fine. > > Scott - do you sometimes use different mailers? > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Dec 16 19:02:07 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 17 Dec 2001 03:02:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 87569 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2001 03:02:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2001 03:02:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.51) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2001 03:02:03 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.158] by n1.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2001 03:02:03 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 03:02:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: making circuit boards Message-ID: <9vjn7a+hhg4@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <001301c1869d$e4869fe0$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 484 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.90.48 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I have one mail service from home. I don't post here with any > other. The times I'm most apt to have problems is if I receive > something and want to forward it to the group. When in doubt, you can always go to the Forum's web site and post directly from there: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Also, remember to address your messages to amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, not simply amstereo@yahoogroups.com, which is the old AM Stereo group that is now defunct. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sun Dec 16 23:37:22 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 17 Dec 2001 07:37:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 73822 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2001 07:37:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2001 07:37:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.76) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2001 07:37:14 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.50] by n26.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2001 07:30:56 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 07:37:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fisher AM Stereo Message-ID: <9vk7b8+rsqb@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 388 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.182 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst I read on the web somewhere that Fisher had proposed their own version of AM Stereo. Does anyone now anything about this system and what type of modulation scheme was used? Did it have any unique features or advantages over the other proposed systems? I know that C-QuAM has been the FCC standard since'93 but I've been studying the various systems and just want to know more about it. From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Dec 17 01:16:07 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 17 Dec 2001 09:16:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 86301 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2001 09:16:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2001 09:16:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2001 09:16:05 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.24]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 04:12:18 -0500 Message-ID: <009a01c186da$cb349d20$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <9vk7b8+rsqb@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fisher AM Stereo Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 04:11:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Most of the big companies were all experimenting with AM Stereo in the 50's- I have a DeWald tuner, built in 1959, that has a separate output jack labled "AM Stereo out"- there were experimental decoders made by these companies, for quam only- the compatability problems put a stop to further development. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: jsgilst To: Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 2:37 AM Subject: {AMSF} Fisher AM Stereo > I read on the web somewhere that Fisher had > proposed their own version of AM Stereo. From 1377.3mp@start.com.au Mon Dec 17 05:02:48 2001 Return-Path: <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Sender: 1377.3mp@start.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 17 Dec 2001 13:02:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 96401 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2001 13:02:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2001 13:02:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.54) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2001 13:02:44 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.116] by n4.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2001 13:02:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 13:02:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: UK Radio Authority response re AMS - How true though ? Message-ID: <9vkqdk+girl@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1036 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Originating-IP: 213.121.66.191 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69495942 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Had this reply recently. How true is the following though. Sorry to flog a dead horse but any response to this I may email back to the RA perhaps :- The Authority considered seriously the possibility of allowing AM stereo in the UK more than once in the 1990s, in consultation with the radio industry. The problem is with issues of how much additional interfence its use woud cause to other stations on the same and adjacent frequencies. The results of tests which had been conducted in Japan suggested that there would be a penalty to pay in this respect, and so there would be a tradeoff between use of stereo and allowable transmitter power. The consensus within the radio industry was that the potential benefits of AM stereo were limited, to the extent that further tests were not pursued. The possible introduction of DRM is of interest to the Authority, although as yet no policy has been defined. It is quite possible that this technology may find a role which is complementary rather than competitive to DAB From KC4QLP@aol.com Mon Dec 17 09:23:36 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 17 Dec 2001 17:23:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 68959 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2001 17:23:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2001 17:23:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m07.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.162) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2001 17:23:33 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.148.679c96c (4414); Mon, 17 Dec 2001 12:22:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <148.679c96c.294f83f3@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 12:22:59 EST Subject: Holy smoke!~Ramsey employee responds! To: amstereo@nrcdxas.org, amstereo@topica.com, amstereoradio@topica.com Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp This is a response that was directly from a Ramsey employee....looks like AM stereo could have another possible avenue for wide exposure! <> <>>> Ok folks....now we need to convince the higher ups to make this happen. Happy Holidays! Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.qsl.net/kc4qlp voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Dec 17 10:36:29 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 17 Dec 2001 18:36:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 2829 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2001 18:36:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2001 18:36:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14203.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.145) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2001 18:36:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20011217183624.43459.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 10:36:24 PST Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 10:36:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: Cquam doesn't hurt AM adjacent stations. To: 1377.3mp@start.com.au, "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio To my knowledge after looking at the FCC testing of the AMS systems, using Motorola C-Quam does not require more spectrum than any other decent station using the 10KHz cut-off frequency. Maybe they are concerned that stations would actually sound decent with 10KHz audio frequency response instead of 3KHz telephone quality? Some stations reported better MONO reception on standard mono receivers when broadcasting in stereo! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From mmalm@btinet.net Mon Dec 17 10:48:50 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: mmalm@btinet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 17 Dec 2001 18:48:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 86980 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2001 18:48:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2001 18:48:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.65) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2001 18:48:48 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.140] by n15.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2001 18:48:25 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 18:48:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Chrysler Infinty Gold radio Message-ID: <9vlemg+ugi3@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 888 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "n0faz" X-Originating-IP: 24.220.28.132 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83590293 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0faz Sounds like I need to hit the local stereo shops and see if there are any of these Chrysler radios lying about. I will contact KFYR (I know a few of their engineers) and see if they still have the stereo encode equipement on hand. If so I will inqure about a price. WOW this is a much more active board that I would have anticipated. It would appear that AM stereo is along ways from dead. I've another question that might be best answered here. Are there any shortwave AM stereo stations? The BBC could seem like a natural, but perhaps the weak and fading signals would make things difficult. If anyone would be interested I would send some pictures of the tuner I've built from the 89 Chrysler radio. I've put it in a rack mount cabinet that is about 1.75 inches tall. Reused the display lens from the radio and it just fit! Thanks for all the info. Mark, N0FAZ From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Dec 17 12:49:16 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 17 Dec 2001 20:49:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 15292 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2001 20:49:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2001 20:49:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2001 20:49:13 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.46]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id ; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 15:45:28 -0500 Message-ID: <001301c1873b$9f512500$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: Cc: References: <148.679c96c.294f83f3@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Holy smoke!~Ramsey employee responds! Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 15:44:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Now I think is a good time to go up there and pay them a vist- bringing along one of my transmitters and radios, as well as a decoder to give them a dog and pony show. They are about a 6 hour ride from here, so I think right after new years, I will go up. This is indeed very encouraging! Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Cc: Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 12:22 PM Subject: {AMSF} Holy smoke!~Ramsey employee responds! > This is a response that was directly from a Ramsey employee....looks like AM > stereo could have another possible avenue for wide exposure! From KC4QLP@aol.com Mon Dec 17 13:50:14 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 17 Dec 2001 21:50:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 25298 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2001 21:50:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2001 21:50:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.34) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2001 21:50:08 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.b6.39004d1 (4329) for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 16:50:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 16:50:02 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Holy smoke!~Ramsey employee responds! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Good luck Chris...hope you are able to make some head way! :-) Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.qsl.net/kc4qlp voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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The selective fading is the most brutal to the CQUAM signal. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: n0faz Are there any shortwave > AM stereo stations? The BBC could seem like a natural, but perhaps > the weak and fading signals would make things difficult. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Dec 17 19:47:53 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 18 Dec 2001 03:47:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 50736 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 03:47:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2001 03:47:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.80) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 03:47:48 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.129] by n30.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2001 03:47:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 03:47:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: good news from 540 WLUX Message-ID: <9vme90+4628@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 985 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.140 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I got this in an e-mail today.... - - - - The Good news is that you can add WLUX 540 to your list of stations that are going to be returning to stereo soon! I can tell you this in very good confidence. I am good friends with the engineers there. There was a problem with the Stereo Encoding Card in the BE Exciter. That was sent out and fixed. We also discovered that there were problems with the Optimod 9100 that we were using so the station GM and Owner purchased an Omnia AM on our suggestion. Then there was a problem with one of our two STL receivers. We got that repaired now too. I think that within the next couple of months we will have the stereo back up and running full time. We have done some tests, but my friend is very precise and really wants it to sound top notch. When we get it up I will let you know. There are also a couple of other local AM stations that we may be upgrading to stereo down the line. I will keep you posted. - - - - From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Dec 17 20:00:44 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 18 Dec 2001 04:00:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 78277 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 04:00:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2001 04:00:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.85) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 04:00:42 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.136] by n35.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2001 04:00:42 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 04:00:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Cquam doesn't hurt AM adjacent stations. Message-ID: <9vmf15+c1ec@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <20011217183624.43459.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1780 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.140 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > To my knowledge after looking at the FCC testing of the AMS > systems, using Motorola C-Quam does not require more spectrum > than any other decent station using the 10KHz cut-off frequency. > Maybe they are concerned that stations would actually sound > decent with 10KHz audio frequency response instead of 3KHz > telephone quality? "France Bleu" on 864 kHz in Paris, France has basically proven that C-Quam AM Stereo can and does work well even within the crowded AM/MW band in Europe. France Bleu follows the rather restrictive 4.5 kHz audio response limit that France and several other continental European countries have adopted in order to significantly reduce adjacent-channel splatter. (The UK uses a slightly wider 6 kHz audio response limit, while a few countries like Spain and Italy only limit the response of government-owned stations; small privately owned AM stations can broadcast anything they want -- even AM Stereo is fine... that is what allows "Radio Studio X" on 1584 kHz in Italy to broadcast in C-Quam Stereo.) For the person who was in touch with the UK radio authority... I'd suggest asking them if they have heard of the "test" broadcasts of C-Quam AM Stereo on 864 kHz France Bleu? This station is clearly audible in the southern part of the UK and Ireland, so they can make their own measurements of whether or not AM Stereo causes any excessive transmitted RF bandwidth. And for the record, if you look in the text of the 1993 FCC decision, they said conclusively that use of C-Quam does not increase RF bandwidth over mono. The simple Magnavox system DID increase transmitted bandwidth, as 'bare' phase modulation causes that, but the (C)ompatible part of C-Quam eliminates (or at least highly reduces) this problem. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Dec 17 20:10:50 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 18 Dec 2001 04:10:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 95321 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 04:10:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2001 04:10:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.58) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 04:10:46 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.128] by n8.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2001 04:10:46 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 04:10:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: re: shortwave stereo Message-ID: <9vmfk0+a5ju@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <008901c1876a$e4080ae0$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1677 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.140 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > No- for the very reason you stated. The selective fading is the > most brutal to the CQUAM signal. And yet, there is an unconfirmed report that in 1993, the ITU (International Telecommunications Union) approved use of C-Quam AM Stereo on the 49 and 31 meter shortwave bands. I have converted an old Hallicrafters tube-type shortwave radio to AM Stereo with an MC13028 decoder operating in "forced stereo" mode. I can say it is not nearly as unstable-sounding as you might expect. The decoder will still drop to mono when things get very shakey; it's not like the Sony radios which stay in stereo mode ALL the time. And the truth is, ISB/Kahn AM Stereo isn't much better on unstable signals; it still has platform motion effects, just the motion is between the L+R and L-R components rather than between the Left and Right channels, so it appears as more of a "phasing" effect. But listen to it on a "matrix" Surround Sound system, which uses L-R for the rear speakers, and you will get FRONT to BACK platform motion! OTOH, LONGwave would be a good place for Stereo, whether it be C-Quam or ISB... the waves are long and the signals are stable. There are rumours that some European stations may have experimented with Kahn Stereo on longwave.... and "Atlantic 252" in Ireland was known to be using Kahn PowerSide for a while... p.s. Speaking of which, the strangest radio I have ever seen is one from Russia. The "AM" band on it is 150-280 kHz, and the "FM" band is 66-73 MHz! I guess in rural areas, longwave is/was used much more than the regular AM band ("mediumwave"). After all, they have longwave stations using up to 2,500,000 watts! From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Dec 18 08:02:27 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 18 Dec 2001 16:02:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 19587 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2001 16:02:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2001 16:02:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14206.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.70) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 16:02:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20011218160223.70281.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 08:02:23 PST Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 08:02:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: Good News Lately To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" , Dennis AMstereo IAAAS List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hey, I like all of the good news lately! I've added my 2Cents to the Ramsey board, if anyone reads it, and I've seen Kit's and Scott's posts as well. Another AMS station or two added to the list is very decent. Slowly, but surely, AMS will prevail. We're a dedicated group sorta like the Star Trek fans: small, but mighty dedicated. Happy Holidays to our AMS friends on all continents! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Dec 18 19:13:38 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 19 Dec 2001 03:13:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 82950 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 03:13:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2001 03:13:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.57) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 03:13:35 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.45] by n7.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2001 03:13:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 03:13:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: hear the Euro DAB system Message-ID: <9vp0ku+fkpq@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2000 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.69.38 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Digital Audio Broadcasting (DAB) is up and running in Europe, on its own band *separate from AM and FM* (I've heard it's somewhere around 224 MHz?), and I have come across this: http://www.thesync.co.uk/Classic.zip This ZIP file archive contains two actual off-the-air MP2 samples of the DAB stream from BBC Radio 3 and "Classic FM" (a UK classical music station). DAB in Europe uses MP2 encoding (predecessor of MP3) with a 48 kHz sampling rate (better than the 44.1 kHz that is standard for CD audio and most MP3 files) and bit rates up to 192 kbps. These files contain the MP2 data *exactly* as it is broadcast, bit-for-bit -- similar to a "ripp" of a CD audio track into a WAV file. You will need a program that supports MP2 files in order to play these files. I could have converted these to MP3, but then there would be a loss of quality. Note that RealPlayer claims to play MP2, but when I try these files with it I just get silence. However, there are various DOS audio players that fully support MP2, including "QuickView Pro", which can be found at: http://www.multimediaware.com/qv/ To my ears, the BBC Radio 3 sample sound very good, while the Classic FM sample has clearly audible artifacts in it... although that could be because the MP2 decoding used in the DAB receivers has been improved as compared to what MP2 was like when it was used on computers (before MP3 came into popularity). (Note that MPEG video streams, such as found on Video CD and DVD, also typically use MP2 audio.) And finally, here is more info on the "WaveFinder", the device that hooks up to a computer and is used to receive DAB signals: http://www.geocities.com/epoc_32/wavefinder.html I have to say that I certainly would warmly welcome the use of this type of DAB service in North America, as long as it is *separate* from the existing AM and FM bands, not like the horrendous "IBOC DAB" fiasco that Lucent and "USA Digital Radio" are still trying to foist upon us! From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Dec 18 22:44:31 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 19 Dec 2001 06:44:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 80565 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 06:44:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2001 06:44:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.72) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 06:44:28 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.23] by n22.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2001 06:44:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 06:44:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Motorola Chips Message-ID: <9vpd09+u9b2@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 468 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.48 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst Awhile back I asked about the availibility of some or the Motorola chips and some said they were availible but I no one said where you could get them. I recently called Newark and the only ones availible were the 13028 decoder and the 13025 ETR front end. Does any one else know of any other sources for decoder chips that sell in small quantities? Chris where did you get your chips and are there others available besides the 13028 and what are the average prices. From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Dec 19 01:13:28 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 19 Dec 2001 09:13:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 95157 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2001 09:13:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2001 09:13:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2001 09:13:25 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.40]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 04:09:47 -0500 Message-ID: <003001c1886c$c04557e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <9vpd09+u9b2@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Motorola Chips Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 04:08:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I have loads of MC13020, some MC13022, 500 MC13028, 400 TA8124. The only 2 I use are the TA8124 and the MC13028. Inteesting that Newark said they hve MC13028's , as they told me they had none long ago. I got mine directly from an Asian distributer. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: jsgilst To: Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 1:44 AM Subject: {AMSF} Motorola Chips > Awhile back I asked about the availibility of > some or the Motorola chips and some said they From watan-ko@rtri.or.jp Wed Dec 19 22:17:57 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: watan-ko@rtri.or.jp X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 20 Dec 2001 06:17:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 41643 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 06:17:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2001 06:17:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maglev.rtri.or.jp) (210.254.18.66) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 06:17:54 -0000 Received: by maglev.rtri.or.jp; id PAA26015; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 15:17:53 +0900 Received: from unknown(192.168.101.67) by maglev.rtri.or.jp via smap (V5.0) id xma026004; Thu, 20 Dec 01 15:17:08 +0900 Received: from kona.rtri.or.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ipc02.rtri.or.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0B4C350F3 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 15:16:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from compaq-67 (compaq-67.rtri.or.jp [192.168.202.18]) by kona.rtri.or.jp (8.9.3/3.7W12/11/00) with ESMTP id PAA78646 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 15:16:53 +0900 (JST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: BOSE mod Message-Id: <200112201518.IGJ15358.BOBLPU-X@rtri.or.jp> X-Mailer: Winbiff [Version 2.33] X-Accept-Language: ja,en Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 15:18:19 +0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Koji Watanabe X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67746350 X-Yahoo-Profile: irukero Dear Sirs, I'm now using BOSE wave radio with Chris's AM stereo decoder. The decoder works great, however, I suffered from Bose's poor sound due to its narrow bandwidth. Last weekend I removed its cover and found Toko CFMQ ceramic filter with built in tuning coils. I looked into Toko's web site, then I became known its bandwidth is 5.5kHz min(-6dB). How come does Bose use such a narrow bandwidth filter? http://207.208.84.9/passives/filters/ceramic/pdf/cfmq.pdf I decided to bypass its ceramic filter. I connected pin 5 and 11. Though I measured the bandwidth of this modification now, but it sounds GREAT! I feel as if I were listening to FM! Even on the next channel(9kHz upper or lower), I can listen to the station. Of course, in Asian district, this mod can't be recommended because of the interference by strong North Korean or Chinese stations. However, I don't find any trouble for the time being. I can enjoy HiFi AMS stations in Japan. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Dec 20 07:10:43 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 20 Dec 2001 15:10:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 85045 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 15:10:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2001 15:10:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14206.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.70) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 15:10:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20011220151039.94701.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 07:10:39 PST Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 07:10:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: re: Bose Modification for AMS To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hi Koji: Thanks for checking-in with us. How many stations in Japan broadcast in AM Stereo? Season's Greetings from the USA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Dec 20 16:14:11 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 21 Dec 2001 00:14:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 38875 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2001 00:14:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2001 00:14:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.58) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2001 00:14:09 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.159] by n8.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2001 00:14:09 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 00:14:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Bose Modification for AMS Message-ID: <9vtusc+t030@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <20011220151039.94701.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1231 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.94.151 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > How many stations in Japan broadcast in AM Stereo? At last check, there were 16... freq call location power(kW) name (network) ==== ===== ==================== ========= ========================= 954 JOKR Tokyo, Japan 100 "Tokyo Hoso" (TBS) 1008 JONR Osaka, Japan 50 "Asahi Hoso" (ABC) 1053 JOAR Nagoya, Japan 50 "Chubu Nippon Hoso" (CBC) 1134 JOQR Tokyo, Japan 100 "Bunka Hoso" (NCB) 1179 JOOR Osaka, Japan 50 "Mainichi Hoso" (MBS) 1197 JOBF Kumamoto, Japan 5 "Kumamoto Hoso" (RKK) 1242 JOLF Tokyo, Japan 100 "Nippon Hoso" (NBS) 1278 JOFR Fukuoka, Japan 50 "RKB Mainichi Hoso" (RKB) 1287 JOHR Sapporo, Japan 50 "Hokkaido Hoso" (HBC) 1314 JOUF Osaka, Japan 50 "Radio Osaka" (OBC) 1332 JOSF Nagoya, Japan 50 "Tokai Radio Hoso" 1350 JOER Hiroshima, Japan 20 "Chugoku Hoso" (RCC) 1413 JOIF Fukuoka, Japan 50 "Kyushu Asahi Hoso" (KBC) 1431 JOVF Wakayama, Japan 5 "Wakayama Hoso" (WBS) 1440 JOWF Sapporo, Japan 50 "Sapporo TV Hoso" (STV) 1494 JOYR Okayama, Japan 10 "Sanyo Hoso" (RSK) From dav259@minerals.csiro.au Thu Dec 20 16:21:30 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@minerals.csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 21 Dec 2001 00:21:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 48075 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2001 00:21:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2001 00:21:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2001 00:21:28 -0000 Received: from mineng (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03480 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 11:21:26 +1100 (EST) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 11:21:26 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Bose Modification for AMS In-Reply-To: <9vtusc+t030@eGroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24627097 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Fri, 21 Dec 2001, kevtronics wrote: > > At last check, there were 16... > > freq call location power(kW) > ==== ===== ==================== ========= > 1278 JOFR Fukuoka, Japan 50 Kevin - could this station be owned by Clear Channel??? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Dec 20 19:01:47 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 21 Dec 2001 03:01:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 51881 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2001 03:01:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2001 03:01:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.72) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2001 03:01:44 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.23] by n22.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2001 03:01:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 03:01:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: BBC Radio 2 now in Stereo Message-ID: <9vu8mj+vdr1@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1587 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.94.151 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics This is no relation to AM Stereo, but just a few seconds ago I was delighted to discover that BBC Radio 2's webcast is now in full Stereo sound! For YEARS, Radio 2 had broadcast a mono webcast over a stereo connection -- basically a webcast "pilot tone offender" in AM Stereo teminology. But now it is in full Stereo, and on a fast connection, the quality of RealAudio 8.0 is excellent -- on a "56K" modem, it can approach XM/IBOC quality, which is to say very good, but still not quite comparable to AM Stereo or FM Stereo. If you'd like to give it a listen, cut and paste this directly into your RealPlayer's location bar: rtsp://rmlivev7.bbc.net.uk/farm/*/ev7/live24/radio2/live/fmg2.ra For the uninitiated, the BBC radio networks are as follows: BBC Radio 1 = popular music (teen-oriented) BBC Radio 2 = light music & information programs BBC Radio 3 = serious music & cultural programs BBC Radio 4 = spoken word, current affairs & music programs BBC Radio 5 Live = news & sports network Radio 5 Live is only on AM in the U.K., so obviously it is mono. Radios 1, 2, and 3 are produced in Stereo, but I don't know about Radio 4. Many people in the UK criticise the Beeb's radio networks, but from an American perspective, we can only dream of having a selection of radio network formats as good as these. In fact that is the case with many government-run radio formats in Europe, including "France Bleu" which is actually a whole network of AM stations in France, of course including the 300,000-watt C-Quam AM Stereo transmitter on 864 kHz in Paris. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Dec 20 19:09:06 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 21 Dec 2001 03:09:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 92458 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2001 03:09:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2001 03:09:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.73) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2001 03:09:03 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.40] by n23.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2001 03:09:03 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 03:09:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Bose Modification for AMS Message-ID: <9vu94d+oma0@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 433 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.94.151 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > > freq call location power(kW) > > ==== ===== ==================== ========= > > 1278 JOFR Fukuoka, Japan 50 > > Kevin - could this station be owned by Clear Channel??? Maybe it's owned by Matsushita. (pronounced "Mat-shoosta", not the way it looks...) BTW... right now as I listen, BBC News is saying that Windows XP is vulnerable to hackers... gee, like we didn't know that when it first came out! From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Dec 20 19:27:20 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 21 Dec 2001 03:27:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 33563 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2001 03:27:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2001 03:27:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2001 03:27:17 -0000 Received: from me (209-105-35-70.rev.sherbtel.net [209.105.35.70]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA24393 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 21:27:15 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <003401c189cf$c406cc60$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <9vtusc+t030@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Bose Modification for AMS Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 21:29:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude They wouldn't happen to have a comedy format, would they? [Running for cover to keep from being hit by a hail of rotten tomatoes.] ST :) ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics > freq call location power(kW) name (network) > ==== ===== ==================== ========= ========================= > 954 JOKR Tokyo, Japan 100 "Tokyo Hoso" (TBS) From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Dec 20 19:34:12 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 21 Dec 2001 03:34:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 43067 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2001 03:34:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2001 03:34:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2001 03:34:10 -0000 Received: from me (209-105-35-70.rev.sherbtel.net [209.105.35.70]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA25399 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 21:34:07 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <005901c189d0$b9b90d80$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <200112201518.IGJ15358.BOBLPU-X@rtri.or.jp> Subject: Re: {AMSF} BOSE mod Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 21:36:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Great letter, Koji. I don't know if I'll ever have enough money to buy one, but there's a local contest to win one, and if I'm fortunate enough to get it, I'll also have it modified and send them the same sort of letter. The Wave Radio is advertised on all sorts of talk programs, and I'm going to send a copy of that letter to each of them as well. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Koji Watanabe > Dear Sirs, > > I'm now using BOSE wave radio with Chris's AM stereo decoder. The > decoder works great, however, I suffered from Bose's poor sound due to its > narrow bandwidth. > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Dec 20 22:00:36 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 21 Dec 2001 06:00:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 33989 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2001 06:00:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2001 06:00:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.51) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2001 06:00:27 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.117] by n1.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2001 06:00:26 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 06:00:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Bose Modification for AMS Message-ID: <9vuj5k+ljhl@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <003401c189cf$c406cc60$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 661 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.70.15 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > They wouldn't happen to have a comedy format, would they? [Running > for cover to keep from being hit by a hail of rotten tomatoes.] Well, we could go through the list of vulgar U.S. radio station call letters, some of which are/were actually played up on the air (i.e., "don't touch that dial, you've got KRAP on it!"). There are also call letters that are not vulgar, but are still made fun of, such as KLEP (K-Lacking Enough Power), or KBOR (BORing), or WUSS, WIMP, WEZL (weasel), WINY (whiney), etc. etc. By the way, I once heard from somebody who claimed to be able to listen to WHO, WHAT, and WHEN, and watch WHYY-TV all at the same time... From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Dec 20 22:03:48 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 21 Dec 2001 06:03:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 38368 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2001 06:03:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2001 06:03:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.64) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2001 06:03:46 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.169] by n14.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2001 06:05:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 06:03:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: XM commercials in AM Stereo Message-ID: <9vujc1+aupa@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 488 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.70.15 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I note with interest that from time to time, commercials promoting XM satellite radio are being aired in AM STEREO on 1450 WCTC in New Brunswick, NJ. This is almost as ironic as "demonstrations of Bose Wave Radio stereo sound" (as part of the Imagination Theatre program, of whom Bose is a sponsor) being aired in AM Stereo on WCTC, even though the Wave Radio could never possibly receive these commercials in Stereo or with nearly as much fidelity as they are broadcast with.... From Bossmsx@aol.com Fri Dec 21 14:12:40 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 21 Dec 2001 22:12:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 85056 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2001 22:12:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2001 22:12:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2001 22:12:36 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.12d.9b5b29e (5715) for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 17:12:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from web37.aolmail.aol.com (web37.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.13]) by air-id04.mx.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILINID48-1221171232; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 17:12:32 -0500 Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 17:12:31 EST Subject: Sony questions To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <12d.9b5b29e.29550dd0@aol.com> From: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx 1) Anyone know how many khz. wide is the "WIDE" setting on the SRF-A100? 2)Also, do newer/recent versions of the Sony ICF-2010 use the CX857 chip for the sync detector, or are they now using the descendant of the 857, the CXA1657?? -Tony Simon/Miami From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Dec 21 16:22:32 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 22 Dec 2001 00:22:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 98090 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2001 00:22:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2001 00:22:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.83) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2001 00:22:29 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.144] by n33.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2001 00:22:29 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 00:22:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sony questions Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <12d.9b5b29e.29550dd0@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1889 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.67.69 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > 1) Anyone know how many khz. wide is the "WIDE" setting on the > SRF-A100? A lot. :-) I don't know the exact specification of the ceramic filter it uses in "Wide" mode, but its audio response is flat to at least 13 to 14 kHz. That surely was nice in the 1980s when AM Stereo stations were putting out up to 20 kHz audio bandwidth, but now with today's more crowded AM band, the SRF-A100's "wide" mode is often *too* wide. I have also tested its "narrow" mode, and the audio response is flat to about 4 kHz, then starts dropping off, with a mild peak at 5 kHz, and then there's pretty much no response above 6 kHz. The SRF-A100 achieves this narrow bandwidth by using two ceramic filters in series, i.e. the "wide" filter and the "narrow" filter combined together. Note that if you position the switch exactly halfway between the "wide" and "narrow" modes, you will get a "medium" bandwidth, but the Stereo audio takes on a 'phasey' quality which disturbs proper AM Stereo imaging. Also, the Sony SRF-A1 walkman is different. It only has a single ceramic filter, so its bandwidth is probably more of a compromise between the "too wide" and "too narrow" modes the SRF-A100 offers -- i.e., it's probably more like the SRF-42, whose single filter is nicely chosen to fit today's crowded AM band and NRSC 10 kHz audio response limit. > 2)Also, do newer/recent versions of the Sony ICF-2010 use the CX857 > chip for the sync detector, or are they now using the descendant of > the 857, the CXA1657?? I can't help you there, but I'd guess that the CX857 is probably out of production so they are most likely using a more modern chip. And are they still making the 2010? It already looked "old" in 1993, and by now it's positively ancient! But if it was a good design from the start, and people are still buying it, then there's no reason to stop making it.... From Bossmsx@aol.com Fri Dec 21 18:22:01 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 22 Dec 2001 02:21:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 26710 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2001 02:21:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2001 02:21:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2001 02:21:58 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.73.180f6fb0 (4542) for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 21:21:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <73.180f6fb0.29554843@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 21:21:55 EST Subject: Re: Sony quesstions To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP US sub 50 From: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <> Yup...Just bought myself a new one yesterday, should come in the mail soon, hopefully as a nice Christmas Eve gift. Anyways, while we're on the subject of Sony, did you know that, aside from its wide range of AM Stereo products, Sony Japan still has a number of AM-only radios available for sale in Japan? Tony Simon/Miami [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rob_schaller@hotmail.com Fri Dec 21 20:49:48 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rob_schaller@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 22 Dec 2001 04:49:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 63768 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2001 04:49:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2001 04:49:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.21.127) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2001 04:49:45 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 20:49:45 -0800 Received: from 12.249.144.165 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 04:49:44 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Follow-up on Chrysler AM Stereo Radios Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 04:49:44 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Dec 2001 04:49:45.0035 (UTC) FILETIME=[138CD1B0:01C18AA4] From: "Rob Schaller" X-Originating-IP: [12.249.144.165] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88071317 All, Today I installed One of the later model Chrysler Stereos that features AM Stereo/FM Stereo, CD+Cassette player. From the label on the unit it appears this one is manufactured by Mitsubishi and has the lettering "RAZ" on the front panel. The original unit was another Chrysler AM stereo/FM Stereo, CD Player and five-band equalizer made by Alpine. I've made some general comments about these two units with an emphasis on the AM stereo portion, after all this the am stereo forum! This was strictly an "ear" test with no measurement equipment whatsoever. SENSITIVITY- Both of these units seem to be pretty good in this performance area. This was noted across The full 530 ~ 1710 KHz band. SELECTIVITY- Both units appear to have the same amount of selectivity. AM STEREO - From the limited number of radio stations that actually play music the separation sounded good on both units. One thing I noticed with the Mitsubishi model is that it took longer for the AM stereo to lock in after station selection. SOUND QUALITY - The Mitsubishi model was a *big* disappointment in this area regardless of the signal strength of the station. I kept jamming the treble control as high as it would go and it still sounded poor when compared to the older model made by Alpine. I am sure the newer unit fell far short from AMAX standards. Maybe a newer model of this radio will have the letters changed from "RAZ" to "AMAX" on the front panel! OTHER: I liked the SEEK control in the Alpine unit better because you could hold the button down and it will continue to increment/decrement audio tracks on the CD player whereas you have to keep pressing the SEEK button to jump across multiple tracks on the Mitsubishi unit. Of the four Chrysler AM Stereo radios that I own, only one of them, from the late 80's/early 90's, allows scanning of radio stations that are stored as presets. I am surprised because this is a nice feature, IMHO. I will probably try Chris Cuffs suggestion of putting a 5 pF capacitor across the IF filter to improve the frequency response of the AM tuner but I am going to wait a month until the warranty expires on this unit. It will be interesting to redo this comparison after I do the mod to the IF filter. I tried looking through the vent holes in the case and I did see some Motorola IC's but I don't think any of them were the AM stereo decoder. The side of the radio that contained the tuner electronics was pretty easy to spot as the tuning coils were easily accessible with a tuning tool through the case. I have several application notes on the MC13022 AM stereo chip and they have several different design approaches to controlling IF bandwidth. I'd love to see what circuit differences there are between these two radios. One of the reasons I got another Stereo was my CD player was starting to skip, but at highly irregular intervals. It seems that most of the skipping happened when accelerating rapidly from a stop. I've verified that it wasn't CD I was playing at the time. If anyone has suggestions on how to fix this problem I'd welcome your inputs. I may go back to the old unit if I can't get good AM stereo sound quality from the new one. Regards, Rob _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From jeffdeck@aol.com Fri Dec 21 22:10:30 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 22 Dec 2001 06:10:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 36388 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2001 06:10:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2001 06:10:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2001 06:10:28 -0000 Received: from Jeffdeck@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.111.a8b693d (4012); Sat, 22 Dec 2001 01:10:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <111.a8b693d.29557dd1@aol.com> Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 01:10:25 EST Subject: AM Stereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@nrcdxas.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 From: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4430287 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello gang, I received used Denon TU-1500RDP tuner this week. Of course, I removed the top cover to view underneath the hood. Imagine my surprise when I saw the "place on the board" for a Toshiba TA8124P AM stereo DIP chip! In addition to the synthesizer, RDS decoder, AM/FM tuner, there appears to be two uproc chips on the main board, judging by the crystal count. I have not removed this PC board to see what is on the other side. Also, the FM RDS information appears immediately on the display, and is the most rapid acquisition of all FM RDS tuners that I have sampled. This Denon receives time, text, format, traffic alert, weather alert, and other data from equipped FM RDS stations. Speaking of Ramsey Electronics, does anyone know if their Signal Magnet SM100 is worth anything, or is it simply a glorified ferrite bar antenna? Can anyone confirm that Chrysler's newest CD/cassette high end model with FM RDS also has C-QuAM stereo reception? I know that AM stereo was carried throughout the 2001 model year for Cadillac Catera models. WFAN and WCBS left the air the other morning. I received nothing on 660kHz, except splash from WSM. There was a faint unidentified country music station on 880kHz. So, this morning these were true "clear channel" frequencies in central Ohio. Has anyone received a pirate foreign speaking station on 1710kHz? If I have time, I will record sample MP3 file for you. I enjoyed listening to those two BBC Radio MP2 files. Both played fine on my Winamp media player. http://master.mcomike.com This is an interesting site for television master board operators. I was once hired at WGPR-TV for this job. Fred Vobbe posted his experience. >One of the reasons I got another Stereo was my CD player was >starting to skip, but at highly irregular intervals. It seems that most of >the skipping happened when accelerating rapidly from a stop. I've >verified that it wasn't CD I was playing at the time. If anyone has >suggestions on how to fix this problem I'd welcome your inputs. I >may go back to the old unit if I can't get good AM stereo sound >quality from the new one. Have you tried cleaning the laser pickup with a CD cleaner? Closed circuit to Koji: How did you get your Bose to tune 9kHz separation on the AM band? If it is an American-made model, how does it function with 100 volts AC and 50Hz power source? I thought someone mentioned that Bose sells AM stereo Wave models in Japan. My Bose has very poor top end AM audio frequency response (~2kHz) but it has a very deep bass end and good selectivity. AM sound is routed through the FM stereo decoder. How did you find your AM stereo indicator to function? Which AM stereo stations can you receive? >Hi Jeff- The US version of the Yamaha does Not have the same >ams-friendly board as the Japan model, but I do have the service >manual. Chris, which I.F and detector tuner chips are used in the Yamaha TX-492? >Courtesy of our own Jeff Deck, I now have a few clips online from a 1993 >aircheck when I worked PT at a Dance/CHR station in Columbus. Kit, I am happy that you enjoyed the five MP3 audio file cuts! At 0105 EST, It is time to retire for the day. Happy holidays. 73, Jeff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rob_schaller@hotmail.com Fri Dec 21 22:24:15 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rob_schaller@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 22 Dec 2001 06:24:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 90627 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2001 06:24:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2001 06:24:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.21.207) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2001 06:24:13 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 22:24:12 -0800 Received: from 12.249.144.165 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 06:24:12 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 06:24:12 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Dec 2001 06:24:12.0846 (UTC) FILETIME=[45D424E0:01C18AB1] From: "Rob Schaller" X-Originating-IP: [12.249.144.165] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88071317 I'll check the lense out when I open the unit. RS From: jeffdeck@aol.com Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com CC: amstereo@nrcdxas.org Subject: {AMSF} AM Stereo Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 01:10:25 EST Hello gang, I received used Denon TU-1500RDP tuner this week. Of course, I removed the top cover to view underneath the hood. Imagine my surprise when I saw the "place on the board" for a Toshiba TA8124P AM stereo DIP chip! In addition to the synthesizer, RDS decoder, AM/FM tuner, there appears to be two uproc chips on the main board, judging by the crystal count. I have not removed this PC board to see what is on the other side. Also, the FM RDS information appears immediately on the display, and is the most rapid acquisition of all FM RDS tuners that I have sampled. This Denon receives time, text, format, traffic alert, weather alert, and other data from equipped FM RDS stations. Speaking of Ramsey Electronics, does anyone know if their Signal Magnet SM100 is worth anything, or is it simply a glorified ferrite bar antenna? Can anyone confirm that Chrysler's newest CD/cassette high end model with FM RDS also has C-QuAM stereo reception? I know that AM stereo was carried throughout the 2001 model year for Cadillac Catera models. WFAN and WCBS left the air the other morning. I received nothing on 660kHz, except splash from WSM. There was a faint unidentified country music station on 880kHz. So, this morning these were true "clear channel" frequencies in central Ohio. Has anyone received a pirate foreign speaking station on 1710kHz? If I have time, I will record sample MP3 file for you. I enjoyed listening to those two BBC Radio MP2 files. Both played fine on my Winamp media player. http://master.mcomike.com This is an interesting site for television master board operators. I was once hired at WGPR-TV for this job. Fred Vobbe posted his experience. >One of the reasons I got another Stereo was my CD player was >starting to skip, but at highly irregular intervals. It seems that most of >the skipping happened when accelerating rapidly from a stop. I've >verified that it wasn't CD I was playing at the time. If anyone has >suggestions on how to fix this problem I'd welcome your inputs. I >may go back to the old unit if I can't get good AM stereo sound >quality from the new one. Have you tried cleaning the laser pickup with a CD cleaner? Closed circuit to Koji: How did you get your Bose to tune 9kHz separation on the AM band? If it is an American-made model, how does it function with 100 volts AC and 50Hz power source? I thought someone mentioned that Bose sells AM stereo Wave models in Japan. My Bose has very poor top end AM audio frequency response (~2kHz) but it has a very deep bass end and good selectivity. AM sound is routed through the FM stereo decoder. How did you find your AM stereo indicator to function? Which AM stereo stations can you receive? >Hi Jeff- The US version of the Yamaha does Not have the same >ams-friendly board as the Japan model, but I do have the service >manual. Chris, which I.F and detector tuner chips are used in the Yamaha TX-492? >Courtesy of our own Jeff Deck, I now have a few clips online from a 1993 >aircheck when I worked PT at a Dance/CHR station in Columbus. Kit, I am happy that you enjoyed the five MP3 audio file cuts! At 0105 EST, It is time to retire for the day. Happy holidays. 73, Jeff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From watan-ko@rtri.or.jp Sat Dec 22 00:27:10 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: watan-ko@rtri.or.jp X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 22 Dec 2001 08:27:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 22772 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2001 08:27:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2001 08:27:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maglev.rtri.or.jp) (210.254.18.66) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2001 08:27:06 -0000 Received: by maglev.rtri.or.jp; id RAA06254; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 17:27:05 +0900 Received: from unknown(192.168.101.67) by maglev.rtri.or.jp via smap (V5.0) id xma006250; Sat, 22 Dec 01 17:26:54 +0900 Received: from kona.rtri.or.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ipc02.rtri.or.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8B4B350F0 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 17:26:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from compaq-67 (compaq-67.rtri.or.jp [192.168.202.18]) by kona.rtri.or.jp (8.9.3/3.7W12/11/00) with ESMTP id RAA117229 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 17:26:44 +0900 (JST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Japanese AMS stations links Message-Id: <200112221728.BJI68954.UXP-BOBL@rtri.or.jp> X-Mailer: Winbiff [Version 2.33] X-Accept-Language: ja,en Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 17:28:15 +0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Koji Watanabe X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67746350 X-Yahoo-Profile: irukero Dear members, In Japan, most of the commercial stations were established by news papers. As for the RKB, its English name is RKB MAINICHI BROADCASTING CORPORATION, from which I can understand it was established by Mainichi ("Every day" in Japanese) news paper company. I think Matsushita, which is famous for its "Panasonic" brand, didn't invest the company. Sony and Matsushita recently invest on some broadcasting companies, however, they are all BS-TV companies. Here are Japanese AMS stations links. Sorry, only a few of them have English web sites. HBC JOHR Sapporo HOKKAIDO BROADCASTING CO.,LTD. 1287kHz http://www.hbc.co.jp/radio/index.html STV-Radio JOWF Sapporo The Sappro Television Broadcasting Co.,LTD 1440kHz http://www.stv.ne.jp/ LF JOLF Tokyo NIPPON BROADCASTING SYSTEM, INC. 1242kHz http://www.jolf.co.jp/ QR JOQR Tokyo Nippon Cultural Broadcasting Inc. 1134kHz http://www.joqr.co.jp/ TBS JOKR Tokyo Tokyo Broadcasting System, Inc. 954kHz http://www.tbs.co.jp/radio/ CBC JOAR Nagoya Chubu-nippon Broadcasting Co.,ltd 1053kHz http://www.cbc-nagoya.co.jp/ SF JOSF Nagoya TOKAI RADIO BROADCASTING CO., LTD. 1332kHz http://www.tokairadio.co.jp/ ABC JONR Osaka Asahi Broadcasting Corporation 1008kHz 50KW http://www.asahi.co.jp/ABCtope.html MBS JOOR Osaka Mainichi Broadcasting System, Inc. 1179kHz http://mbs.jp/index-e.html OBC JOUF Osaka OSAKA BROADCASTING CORPORATION 1314kHz 50KW http://www.obc1314.co.jp/ WBS JOVF Wakayama Wakayama Broadcasting System, Inc. 1431kHz http://wbs.co.jp/index.htm RSK JOYR Okayama SANYO BROADCASTING CO.,LTD 1494kHz http://www.rsk.co.jp/radio/index.htm RCC JOER Hiroshima RCC Broadcasting Company 1350kHz http://www.rcc-hiroshima.co.jp/index-e.html RKB JOFR Fukuoka RKB MAINICHI BROADCASTING CORPORATION 1278kHz http://www.rkb.ne.jp/radio/ KBC JOIF Fukuoka KBC Co., Ltd. 1413kHz http://www.kbc.co.jp/radio/ RKK JOBF Kumamoto RKK Broadcasting Co.,Ltd. 1197kHz http://www.rkk.co.jp/ From amfmtvdx@qwest.net Sat Dec 22 07:42:13 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmtvdx@qwest.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 22 Dec 2001 15:42:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 58136 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2001 15:42:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2001 15:42:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO phnxpop7.phnx.uswest.net) (206.80.192.7) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2001 15:42:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 2058 invoked by uid 0); 22 Dec 2001 15:42:09 -0000 Received: from awdialup107.phnx.uswest.net (HELO kredding430cdt) (63.225.212.107) by phnxpop7.phnx.uswest.net with SMTP; 22 Dec 2001 15:42:09 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 08:33:56 -0700 Message-ID: <08db01c18afe$12da30a0$e7d1e13f@kredding430cdt> To: amstereo@nrcdxas.org, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [amstereo] AM Stereo MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The station in question is the pirate from NYC, Lubavitcher Radio. They are a Jewish group and the language is Hebrew. Kevin Mesa, Arizona Has anyone received a pirate foreign speaking station on 1710kHz? If I have time, I will record sample MP3 file for you. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Bossmsx@aol.com Sat Dec 22 16:20:49 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 23 Dec 2001 00:20:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 94633 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2001 00:20:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2001 00:20:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r07.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.103) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2001 00:20:46 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.184.1350715 (3925) for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 19:20:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <184.1350715.29567d57@aol.com> Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 19:20:39 EST Subject: Re: Japanese AMS stations links To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP US sub 50 From: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Koji: Do most AM Stereo stations in Japan have a music format, or are they mostly Talk formatted stations? From what little I could tell of the two AMS stations in Tokyo (954 and 1134), they _Seem_ to be mostly Talk stations. Tony Simon/Miami [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Dec 22 21:00:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 23 Dec 2001 05:00:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 98998 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2001 05:00:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2001 05:00:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.7) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2001 05:00:24 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 1.8e.2046904b (3842); Sat, 22 Dec 2001 23:59:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8e.2046904b.2956bec9@aol.com> Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 23:59:53 EST Subject: Christmas music at WGAI 560 on 12/24-25 To: amstereo@topica.com, amstereoradio@topica.com, ABDX@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Join NewsRadio 560 WGAI AM Stereo in the celebration of Christmas. 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However, in the view of American radio stations, Japanese AM stations are relatively "Talk" radios. sincerely, Koji Watanabe Shiga, JAPAN From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Dec 23 13:04:50 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 23 Dec 2001 21:04:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 42649 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2001 21:04:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2001 21:04:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2001 21:04:47 -0000 Received: from me (209-105-35-157.rev.sherbtel.net [209.105.35.157]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA27506 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 15:04:44 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <003f01c18bf5$d850b1e0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <8e.2046904b.2956bec9@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Christmas music at WGAI 560 on 12/24-25 Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 15:07:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Blessings upon you and your company for doing all of this, and double for doing it in stereo. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Sun Dec 23 13:21:04 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 23 Dec 2001 21:21:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 11232 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2001 21:21:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2001 21:21:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.12) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2001 21:21:00 -0000 Received: from sdn-ar-004fltampp202.dialsprint.net ([158.252.76.146] helo=earthlink.net) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16IG3H-0004mj-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 13:20:59 -0800 Message-ID: <3C264B29.1678BF16@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 16:22:49 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Merry Christmas! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Dick W." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 Hope everyone on the list has a very Merry Christmas! Dick W. From dav259@minerals.csiro.au Sun Dec 23 15:36:36 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@minerals.csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 23 Dec 2001 23:36:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 48696 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2001 23:36:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2001 23:36:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2001 23:36:33 -0000 Received: from mineng (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04011 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 10:36:32 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 10:36:31 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Japanese AMS stations links In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24627097 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sun, 23 Dec 2001, irukero wrote: > > In Japan, all of the stations don't specialize in music, sport, talk > and news etc. They deal with everything. However, in the view of > American radio stations, Japanese AM stations are relatively "Talk" > radios. Koji - With 16 AM stereo stations in Japan and given its size would this mean that just about anyone could hear at least one or probably more AMS stations? Ian - Melbourne From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Dec 23 18:48:13 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 24 Dec 2001 02:48:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 10034 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2001 02:48:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2001 02:48:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2001 02:48:10 -0000 Received: from me (209-105-35-194.rev.sherbtel.net [209.105.35.194]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA27230 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 20:48:07 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001e01c18c25$d0ea9e40$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <3C264B29.1678BF16@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Merry Christmas! Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 20:50:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Here here! And kudos for having the courage to use the "C" word. :) Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick W. To: Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2001 3:22 PM Subject: {AMSF} Merry Christmas! > Hope everyone on the list has a very Merry Christmas! > Dick W. > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Dec 23 21:42:30 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 24 Dec 2001 05:42:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 77769 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2001 05:42:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2001 05:42:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14204.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.146) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2001 05:42:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20011224054223.74162.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.162.18.173] by web14204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 21:42:23 PST Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 21:42:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: Christmas / WLW To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" , Dennis AMstereo IAAAS List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I've been on the AMS bandwagon since 1983 also. I wrote a letter to WLW in the 80's, and their engineer responded to me listing half-a-dozen reasons why they wouldn't go AMS from losing 1 of their 34 states they're heard in to the problems getting a stereo STL all the way to their Mason, Ohio transmitter site - so WLW is unlikely, alothough I do recall they had some really decent Christmas music (in Mono) with real live announcers having a good time on the air back in December 1979 - ahh, the good old days. If AMS had taken off in 1978/79 (even with the Magnavox system) it probably would have keep AM pretty close to FM at 50/50, but we still hope for the continued works in the AM stereo ranks. Merry Christmas everyone, everywhere! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Dec 23 21:55:06 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 24 Dec 2001 05:55:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 28684 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2001 05:55:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2001 05:55:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2001 05:55:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20011224055503.99495.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.162.18.173] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 21:55:03 PST Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 21:55:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 71 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1009028990.561.1278.m12@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio > > 1) Anyone know how many khz. wide is the "WIDE" setting on the > SRF-A100? Tony: I have a Motorola AMS publication where one of their employees had written "9KHz in wide" next to the SRFA-100, so that's what I'm assuming they measured...but then, never assume... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dtaylor@newnw.com Sun Dec 23 22:09:30 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: dtaylor@newnw.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 24 Dec 2001 06:09:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 17750 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2001 06:09:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2001 06:09:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO newnw.com) (63.224.53.190) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2001 06:09:24 -0000 Received: from davkat [209.193.50.225] by newnw.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A6913ED02CC; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:09:21 -0800 Message-ID: <002101c18c41$8510d400$f6adfea9@davkat> To: "amstereo" Subject: {AMSF} Merry Christmas from Alaska Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 21:09:16 -0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2526.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2526.0000 From: "Dave Taylor" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=12315677 X-Yahoo-Profile: dnktaylor Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone and a very Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all from the Great Land (Alaska)!!! Dave Taylor Chief Engineer New Northwest Broadcasters, Anchorage KQEZ 92.1, KFAT 92.9, KRPM 96.3 and The BUZZ 102.1 (KKRO) Note: If we owned an AM station in this market it would be in C-Quam Stereo!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From watan-ko@h4.dion.ne.jp Mon Dec 24 04:48:12 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: watan-ko@h4.dion.ne.jp X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 24 Dec 2001 12:48:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 85926 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2001 12:48:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2001 12:48:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hfep02.dion.ne.jp) (203.181.105.68) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2001 12:48:09 -0000 Received: from maihara-no ([210.255.33.31]) by hfep02.dion.ne.jp with ESMTP id <20011224124808040.CPWH@hfep02.dion.ne.jp> for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 21:48:08 +0900 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM stereo stations in Japan Message-Id: <200112241122.IGJ79403.BLP-XUOB@h4.dion.ne.jp> X-Mailer: Winbiff [Version 2.33] X-Accept-Language: ja,en Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 21:47:09 +0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Koji Watanabe X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Dear Ian, The number of 16 AMS stations in Japan is exactly "AMS companies". Some of them broadcast in AMS from their head station alone. They are: HBC JOHR Sapporo only STV-Radio JOWF Sapporo only CBC JOAR Nagoya only SF JOSF Nagoya only WBS JOVF Wakayama only RSK JOYR Okayama and Takahashi only RKB JOFR Fukuoka only KBC JOIF Fukuoka only For example, the HBC has Kushiro station, but it doesn't broadcast in AMS. Happy Christmas! Koji Watanabe, JAPAN From n1ea@arrl.net Mon Dec 24 06:25:36 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: n1ea@arrl.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 24 Dec 2001 14:25:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 31989 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2001 14:25:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2001 14:25:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.56) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2001 14:25:34 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.113] by n6.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2001 14:25:34 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 14:25:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Christmas / WLW+ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20011224054223.74162.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1130 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "djringjr" X-Originating-IP: 63.209.233.10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77032563 X-Yahoo-Profile: djringjr Hey! Speaking of the "good old days" I think WGN in the 80s still had a Radio Orchestra! I was out in the mid-Atlantic one Christmas Eve - when I started picking them up! Great signal - but they were playing an absolutely beautiful hymn sung by either Julie Andrews or someone who was a pop standards singer - but it was a "exclusive CD" - perhaps just released for Radio Stations at Christmas. Of course WGN did a deep null fade when the announcer mentioned the artist - I heard the build-up - that she was a popular artist and that it was a "limited" or some sort of "non-circulating" CD - but I missed the artist's name. This recording was so beautiful it played fabulously even 2000 miles away - by chance does anyone know what this might have been? It was absolutely a stunning performance! Merry Christmas - David Ring --- In amstereoforum@y..., Johnny Electron wrote: > ...so WLW is unlikely, alothough I do recall they had some really decent Christmas music (in Mono) with real live announcers having a good time on the air back in December 1979 - ahh, the good old days. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Dec 24 12:13:46 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 24 Dec 2001 20:13:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 98484 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2001 20:13:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2001 20:13:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.53) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2001 20:13:43 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.40] by n3.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2001 20:13:43 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 20:13:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Digest Number 71 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20011224055503.99495.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 610 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.76.27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I have a Motorola AMS publication where one of their employees > had written "9KHz in wide" next to the SRFA-100, so that's what > I'm assuming they measured...but then, never assume... That may be for the Asian model (SRF-A200 in Australia), due to their narrower channel spacing, but the U.S./Canadian model is definitely wider than that... in Wide mode, the SRF-A100 has flat response up to at least 14 kHz, and a gradual roll-off to about 16 kHz. It appears to have been designed to take advantage of the full 15+ kHz audio bandwidth that North American stations were broadcasting in the 1980s. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Dec 24 12:18:13 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 24 Dec 2001 20:18:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 2271 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2001 20:18:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2001 20:18:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.64) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2001 20:18:11 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.166] by n14.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2001 20:19:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 20:18:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Christmas / WLW+ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 573 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.76.27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Speaking of the "good old days" I think WGN in the 80s still had a > Radio Orchestra! As late as 1997, WQEW 1560 AM Stereo in New York City had a "house pianist", Ralph Sharon (sp?). I have a brief recording of WQEW's final Christmas broadcast in 1998, just days before they switched to Radio Ditzy... soon I will get around to MP3-izing and uploading it. Meanwhile, today and tomorrow I will definitely be recording the Christmas music on 1450 WCTC, 1210 WPHT, 950 WPEN, 600 WICC, 850 WREF, and whatever other AM Stereo stations playing Xmas music I can find. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Dec 24 13:50:56 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 24 Dec 2001 21:50:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 38689 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2001 21:50:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2001 21:50:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11705.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.71) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2001 21:50:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20011224215051.74301.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.80.145.218] by web11705.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 13:50:51 PST Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 13:50:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Christmas / WLW To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20011224054223.74162.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Good old days were 1979? I was born in 1979! 73, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From 1377.3mp@start.com.au Mon Dec 24 16:30:06 2001 Return-Path: <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Sender: 1377.3mp@start.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 25 Dec 2001 00:30:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 46816 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2001 00:30:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2001 00:30:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.84) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2001 00:30:00 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.125] by n34.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2001 00:29:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 00:29:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: BBC Radio 2 now in Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9vu8mj+vdr1@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2646 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Originating-IP: 213.121.68.97 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69495942 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > This is no relation to AM Stereo, but just a few seconds ago I was=20 > delighted to discover that BBC Radio 2's webcast is now in full=20 Stereo=20 > sound! For YEARS, Radio 2 had broadcast a mono webcast over a=20 stereo=20 > connection -- basically a webcast "pilot tone offender" in AM=20 Stereo=20 > teminology. But now it is in full Stereo, and on a fast=20 connection,=20 > the quality of RealAudio 8.0 is excellent -- on a "56K" modem, it=20 can=20 > approach XM/IBOC quality, which is to say very good, but still not=20 > quite comparable to AM Stereo or FM Stereo. >=20 > If you'd like to give it a listen, cut and paste this directly into=20 > your RealPlayer's location bar: >=20 > rtsp://rmlivev7.bbc.net.uk/farm/*/ev7/live24/radio2/live/fmg2.ra >=20 > For the uninitiated, the BBC radio networks are as follows: >=20 > BBC Radio 1 =3D popular music (teen-oriented) > BBC Radio 2 =3D light music & information programs > BBC Radio 3 =3D serious music & cultural programs > BBC Radio 4 =3D spoken word, current affairs & music programs > BBC Radio 5 Live =3D news & sports network >=20 > Radio 5 Live is only on AM in the U.K., so obviously it is mono.=20=20 > Radios 1, 2, and 3 are produced in Stereo, but I don't know about=20 > Radio 4. Yes all Radio 4's output is certainly stereo. Drama's made for the=20 station plus a long running radio soap 'The Archers' sound great if=20 that's your thing. About 20 years ago stereo was only switched on=20 when needed as few progs were stereo. Radio 2 has changed from middle of the road style music in the last=20 few years to almost a direct copy of an 1980's Radio 1 (top 40) with=20 most of the presenters from 1980's also ! ie Steve Wright In the=20 Afternoon=20 All BBC networks are also available on Sky Digital and the DAB=20 (digiial radio) system which is getting more popular now as radio's=20 have come down to =A399 recently.=20 > Many people in the UK criticise the Beeb's radio networks, but from=20 an=20 > American perspective, we can only dream of having a selection of=20 radio=20 > network formats as good as these.=20=20 Since the commercial radio 3 equivelent Classic FM started a few=20 years ago Radio 3's listenership is very small only a few 100,000's I=20 believe. Radio 4 is probably about the same though I may be wrong.=20 So it's the =A3110 UK TV license we have to pay which keeps them going! In fact that is the case with many=20 > government-run radio formats in Europe, including "France Bleu"=20 which=20 > is actually a whole network of AM stations in France, of course=20 > including the 300,000-watt C-Quam AM Stereo transmitter on 864 kHz=20 in=20 > Paris. From n0uiheric@aol.com Mon Dec 24 21:00:14 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 25 Dec 2001 05:00:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 83285 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2001 05:00:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2001 05:00:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r09.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.105) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2001 05:00:11 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.14f.643bef7 (4004) for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 00:00:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <14f.643bef7.295961d0@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 00:00:00 EST Subject: So far...very little Stereo Christmas music! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih It's 10:55 p.m. CST on Christmas Eve as I write this; most of the 50 kW AMs running Christmas music are, unfortunately, running it in dull, lifeless mono. Clear Channel and Infinity seem to be the two biggest offenders: CC has kept the Stereo off on WHAS 840 and the other pirates it owns (don't know about KABL, though; WRNC 1670 has gone through a format change recently); Infinity has kept the Stereo off at KMOX 1120. The only one noted running Christmas music in Stereo at this time has been Disney/ABC's WJR 760. I don't know about WGN, though...semi-local mono station KWRE 730 is staying on past their usual 10:00 p.m. sign-off. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://members.aol.com/n0uiheric/TurnOffClearChannel.html http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/turnoffclearchannel From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Dec 24 22:03:23 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 25 Dec 2001 06:03:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 29069 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2001 06:03:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2001 06:03:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.65) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2001 06:03:20 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.144] by n15.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2001 06:02:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 06:03:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Christmas / WLW Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20011224215051.74301.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 492 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Good old days were 1979? I was born in 1979! Me too! And when I was young, I called the 1970s and earlier the "olden days". p.s. Right now, central NJ is home to a rare AM STEREO/FM STEREO simulcast of Christmas music... this year, "Magic 98.3" WMGQ-FM decided to eschew their own Xmas music programming in favor of a simulcast of sister station WCTC 1450 AM Stereo. It is neat to flip back and forth between the two and hear the AM side sounding even better than the FM side! From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Dec 24 22:32:22 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 25 Dec 2001 06:32:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 42466 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2001 06:32:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2001 06:32:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11704.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.70) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2001 06:32:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20011225063219.69519.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.80.145.218] by web11704.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 22:32:19 PST Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 22:32:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Christmas / WLW To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Christmas 2001 Kev, You were born in 1979? When abouts? I was born August 8th. Right now my station in Fl. is running Christmas music until Midnight Christmas night into the 26th. We just finished "Grandma...." You know that piece of dung. Anyway, have a good one & 73! Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Dec 24 22:37:38 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 25 Dec 2001 06:37:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 90711 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2001 06:37:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2001 06:37:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11706.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.72) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2001 06:37:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20011225063736.29650.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.80.145.218] by web11706.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 22:37:36 PST Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 22:37:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: AM Stereo ham net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <107.9d7c4bb.294131a5@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Christmas 2001 KC4QLP, N0UIH, N2WTO et al, Unfortunately the only band I can run HF now is 10. I have a slopbucket XMTR for 10-80 (SB-401) that I have to get the power cord for. I have a G5RV for it to be hooked up too. I think we should try to be on as many modes as possible too: AM, FM, USB, LSB, CW. I am capable of transmitting AM, FM, USB, & LSB on 10 Meters. Can anyone hit 29.100MHz. We may be able to link up, even if we can't hear all of the stations. You know, have a couple of net controls. 73, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From jeffdeck@aol.com Tue Dec 25 00:42:05 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 25 Dec 2001 08:41:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 74251 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2001 08:41:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2001 08:41:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.76) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2001 08:41:59 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.24] by n26.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2001 08:34:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 08:41:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: How the Grinch Stole AM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <14f.643bef7.295961d0@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 293 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jeffdeck2001" X-Originating-IP: 64.12.106.24 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4430287 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 At this time, WTVN and WLW are in glorious monophonic, as well as former AM C-QuAM stereo stations WSM, WSCR (WMAQ), WSB, WBBM, WHAS, WBZ, and KMOX. Incidentally, WSM was not on the air at 1805 EST last night. I am receiving something on 530kHz, and may record a sample. 73, Jeff From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Dec 25 02:00:48 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 25 Dec 2001 10:00:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 41381 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2001 10:00:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2001 10:00:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.83) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2001 10:00:44 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.165] by n33.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2001 10:00:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 10:00:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Christmas Music in AMS Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 458 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.46 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst Well WBAP in Dallas TX played some nice Christmas music in AM Stereo and sounded great at times during good skip being that I am 250 miles away. Their format used to be old time country at nights but have turned to all talk at night about 4 months ago. It was refereshing to hear some continous music on the only AMS station I can receive. Well I got my site up for AM Stereo in time for Christmas so here's URL: http://www.hal-pc.org/~jsgil/AM-Stereo From jeffdeck@aol.com Tue Dec 25 06:19:20 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 25 Dec 2001 14:19:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 66303 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2001 14:19:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2001 14:19:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.60) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2001 14:19:18 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.181] by n10.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2001 14:19:17 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 14:19:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Christmas Music in AMS Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 64 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jeffdeck2001" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.199.39 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4430287 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 This is a very nice and informative WWW page, Hal! 73, Jeff From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Dec 25 18:12:10 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 26 Dec 2001 02:12:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 52487 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2001 02:12:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2001 02:12:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2001 02:12:07 -0000 Received: from me (204-221-28-136.rev.sherbtel.net [204.221.28.136]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA08461; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 20:12:02 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00a401c18db3$1f2a1ac0$d3a9fea9@me> To: , Subject: Fw: [CRTECH] Telephone Numbers and technology Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 20:14:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [CRTECH] Telephone Numbers and technologyFound this one on the broadcast.net tech list. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: stodd@sherbtel.net Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 3:31 PM Subject: [CRTECH] Telephone Numbers and technology Share this one with the AMS lists- :) [CRTECH] Telephone Numbers and technology WDBARadio@wdba.com crtech@broadcast.net Wed, 19 Dec 2001 09:44:25 -0500 a.. Previous message: [CRTECH] Telephone Numbers and technology b.. Next message: [CRTECH] FCC address c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Barnes > And tell me again with IBOC how conventional FM broadcast will disappear > within five years :-) > Apparently so. At the SBE Convention in Pittsburgh last month one of the sessions dealt with Canada's "fabled" use of Eureka. One of the roll-out markets has been Vancouver where it is actually on the air. Unfortunately for the proponents there are only two known receivers in the area outside of the radio studios themselves. And the joke is that one of the receivers is owned by an engineer who won it in a drawing at a convention! I think Eureka in North America will die very quickly when we get an IBOC alternative. But whether IBOC succeeds for us will be it's promised ability to get down into these Pennsylvania valleys. If not, why bother? Jerry Meloon, WDBA (in the Allegheny Mountains) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- a.. Previous message: [CRTECH] Telephone Numbers and technology b.. Next message: [CRTECH] FCC address c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Dec 25 18:20:12 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 26 Dec 2001 02:20:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 34341 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2001 02:20:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2001 02:20:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2001 02:20:09 -0000 Received: from me (204-221-28-136.rev.sherbtel.net [204.221.28.136]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA09015 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 20:20:06 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00c601c18db4$3fb76da0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20011225063219.69519.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Christmas / WLW Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 20:23:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I suppose playing Christmas at Ground Zero by Wierd Al Yankovic would have been out of the question with what happened a few months ago... ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Rogers > Right now my station in Fl. is running Christmas music > until Midnight Christmas night into the 26th. We just > finished "Grandma...." You know that piece of dung. From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Dec 25 18:21:40 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 26 Dec 2001 02:21:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 14939 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2001 02:21:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2001 02:21:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2001 02:21:37 -0000 Received: from me (204-221-28-136.rev.sherbtel.net [204.221.28.136]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA09134 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 20:21:30 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00cc01c18db4$71c5c260$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20011225063736.29650.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo ham net Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 20:24:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I've only got AM and CW, but my code skills are too rusty to do much of the latter. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Rogers > I think we should try to be on as many modes as > possible too: AM, FM, USB, LSB, CW. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Dec 25 21:36:10 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 26 Dec 2001 05:36:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 94147 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2001 05:36:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2001 05:36:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14201.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.143) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2001 05:36:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20011226053607.62709.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.162.18.173] by web14201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 21:36:07 PST Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 21:36:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: AMS Christmas Music To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" , Dennis AMstereo IAAAS List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Here's the OHIO Update: WJR-760 Detroit had fabulous AM Stereo Christmas music (demonstration material!) broadcast Christmas Eve, and again this evening - and I don't ever recall hearing this gentleman that was announcing the tracks. Too bad not every 50KW station would realize that they owe the public the same stereo audio quality as WJR (Do Ya hear me WLW, WTAM, WHAM, KMOX, WCCO,??)! CFCO-630 Chatham, ON also featured a high percentage of stereo Christmas music, but not as many hours, or 100% as did WJR. Perhaps 'Boxing Day' will be all Christmas music on the 26th? Clear Channel: WSPD-1370 actually played music, but did NOT turn the stereo back on, not even for just a few hours - how sad. Same sad story of mono broadcasts for Clear Channel 1510-WLAC, 1530-WSAI, 610-WTVN, 840-WHAS, and of course 'the big one' 700-WLW. WCWA-1230 - had spectactular music (from 'Dusty Rhoades'?) but unfortunately lacked stereo. Midnight-2AM was especially excellent with some classic carols (Percy Faith etc...) CKLW - 800: They usually run Christmas music early on the 26th until about noon. I'll check, but I'm sure they'll leave their stereo off as their engineer doesn't want to bother with a stereo STL. Thanks to you engineers out there that DID turn the AM STEREO back on for the holidays! Maybe keep it on for a while longer? Hope all of you have/had a Merry Christmas, and have recordings of our favorites playing music, hopefully in AM Stereo! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Dec 26 12:14:33 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 26 Dec 2001 20:14:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 99352 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2001 20:14:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2001 20:14:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d10.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.42) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2001 20:14:30 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_gc_dev1.2.) id r.4b.15e53c8b (3313) for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 15:14:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4b.15e53c8b.295b899e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 15:14:22 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo ham net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 12/25/01 9:22:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, stodd@sherbtel.net writes: << I've only got AM and CW, but my code skills are too rusty to do much of the latter. ST >> Well I have all modes,even downloading a program that will decode and encode the CW via my computer with the use of a sound card.Also up on SSTV.. & soon,RTTY and PSK31 when I can find the shareware for it. So lets all get up on a band where we can hear each other at the same time and lets start an offical AM Stereo broadcasters/listeners net. Keep me posted on what you folks can do. Happy Holidays....Jesus is the reason for the season Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.qsl.net/kc4qlp voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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I'll check, but I'm sure they'll leave their stereo off > as their engineer doesn't want to bother with a stereo STL. The "official" story from CKLW is that they started out with the Harris system, and when C-Quam became the standard in Canada, they decided not to switch, since they were becoming more of a talk station anyway. Nowadays they have a mono transmitter and a mono STL so there is no chance for stereo to return on 800 CKLW unless major upgrades are made. > Thanks to you engineers out there that DID turn the AM STEREO back > on for the holidays! Maybe keep it on for a while longer? A quick scan of the AM dial last night revealed some stations tripping my receiver into Stereo mode which I hadn't observed before, although in each case it was probably "falsing" (such as with 810 WGY and 1140 WRVA). However I can confirm that 1620 WHLY from Indiana, formerly nostalgia "Radio Hollywood" and now a talk format (perhaps with new call letters) is still sending out a Stereo signal. Also, 1650 WKHT in Virginia appears to have switched to Radio Disney, although still in monaural. BTW, for a music aficionado such as myself, it is incorrect to use the term "monophonic" to refer to monaural (single-channel) sound. "Monophonic" actually refers to a "texture" (style of music composition). Other music textures include polyphonic, homophonic, and chordal. Thus it is actually possible to have "monophonic" music that is recorded in Stereo! For more information on these musical terms, see: http://trumpet.sdsu.edu/M151/Elements_of_Music6e.html > Hope all of you have/had a Merry Christmas, and have recordings > of our favorites playing music, hopefully in AM Stereo! I did make some recordings of 1210 WPHT and 1450 WCTC which will be added to the AM Stereo Advantage web site very soon. Also heard playing holiday music in AM Stereo was 600 WICC, 850 WREF, and 930 WPAT (Xmas music in Spanish!). From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Dec 26 14:09:26 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 26 Dec 2001 22:09:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 74536 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2001 22:09:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2001 22:09:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.84) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2001 22:09:23 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.116] by n34.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2001 22:09:23 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 22:09:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM Stereo Advantage update Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1276 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.94.18 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics The AM Stereo Advantage web site has just been updated with brand new recordings of the Christmas Music programs on 1210 WPHT and 1450 WCTC, and also some other new files, including several excellent recordings from 1600 WWRL in the summer of 2000 (when they broadcast in Stereo without the NRSC 10 kHz audio limit for fabulous better-than-FM sound quality!). The MP3 sound library part of the AM Stereo Advantage can be quickly accessed at: http://www.geocities.com/amstereoexp/sound.htm Enjoy, and remember, these new files may take long to download, but they're very much worth it! p.s. The new recordings of WCTC are a chance to hear the rare "Howe Phase Chaser" in action. Normally used for talk programming, this is a device that attemps to detect out-of-phase audio (by comparing the levels of the L+R and L-R components) and corrects it by flipping the phase of the audio. Unfortunately, WCTC forgot to switch their audio processing from the "talk" to the "music" setting, and lots of music contains out-of-phase audio, so the Phase Chaser got a bit "confused" at times during their Christmas music and flipped the phase when it shouldn't have. But it still sounds great, and I think the phase flips added an interesting effect to the music! From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Dec 26 21:27:31 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 27 Dec 2001 05:27:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 40115 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2001 05:27:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2001 05:27:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11703.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.69) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2001 05:27:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20011227052728.52971.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.80.145.218] by web11703.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 21:27:28 PST Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 21:27:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo ham net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4b.15e53c8b.295b899e@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I guess 20 would be ideal. What is your license class (going out to all hams)? I'm a general, and I can operate on any HF band by law. By radio...that's another story! I can try 80, 40, 20, 15, & 10. Maybe I can build a kit for 30 or 17. I also have a Lafayette HA-460 6Meter AM transmitter. I have a Radio Shack HTX-10, and the slopbuckets (people using single side band) never move the bargraph S-Meter, but AMers almost always do. Has anyone else noticed that? Here's a list of my capabilities: 80/75M: CW, LSB, USB, RTTY 40M: Same 20M: Same 15M: Same 10M: AM (7 Watts), LSB, USB, CW, RTTY, FM (25 Watts). 6M: AM (? Watts) 2M: FM (6 Watts) 70cM: FM. (2 Watts) Obviously, 6-440 won't be used. What is a good timetable for everyone? I work Tu.-Su. 18:00-22:06 Eastern Time. Let's get WA2FNQ on board too. He transmitts AM Stereo on the ham bands! I think 160 Meters & 75 Meters. As 'QLP said: let's get an AM Stereo listeners/broadcasters net on ham radio started. 73, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From n0uiheric@aol.com Wed Dec 26 23:03:05 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 27 Dec 2001 07:03:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 33060 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2001 07:03:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2001 07:03:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2001 07:03:02 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.167.63f20b1 (4421) for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 02:02:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <167.63f20b1.295c219f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 02:02:55 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS Christmas Music To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih WLAC and WLW never converted to Stereo; part of the reason was that WLAC once ran low-budget Christian ministries at night, including the crooked Reverend Ike. WLW was consumed by the "FM Stereo Lie". Isn't it time we petition the FCC to revoke all of Clear Channel's 1200-plus licenses? 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://members.aol.com/n0uiheric/TurnOffClearChannel.html http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/turnoffclearchannel From n1ea@c4.com Thu Dec 27 10:38:06 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: n1ea@c4.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 27 Dec 2001 18:38:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 50635 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2001 18:38:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2001 18:38:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailrelay1.chek.com) (208.197.227.116) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2001 18:38:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 22985 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2001 18:38:00 -0000 Received: from ninelives.chek.com (208.197.227.14) by mailrelay1.chek.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2001 18:38:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 3018 invoked by uid 99); 27 Dec 2001 18:37:31 -0000 Date: 27 Dec 2001 18:37:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20011227183731.3017.qmail@ninelives.chek.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re:{AMSF} Re: Christmas / WLW+ From: "David J Ring Jr" X-Originating-IP: [216.41.28.79] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public ANYONE REMEMBER WHAT THIS CD OR SONG WAS? 73 DR On Mon, 24 Dec 2001 14:25:29 -0000 djringjr wrote: >Hey! WGN -- Chicago >Great signal - but they were playing an absolutely beautiful hymn >sung by either Julie Andrews or someone who was a pop standards >singer - but it was a "exclusive CD" - perhaps just released for >Radio Stations at Christmas. > >Of course WGN did a deep null fade when the announcer mentioned the >artist - I heard the build-up - that she was a popular artist and >that it was a "limited" or some sort of "non-circulating" CD - but I >missed the artist's name. > >This recording was so beautiful it played fabulously even 2000 miles >away - by chance does anyone know what this might have been? > >It was absolutely a stunning performance! > >Merry Christmas - > >David Ring > > >--- In amstereoforum@y..., Johnny Electron >wrote: >> ...so WLW is unlikely, alothough I do recall they had some really >decent Christmas music (in Mono) with real live announcers having a >good time on the air back in December 1979 - ahh, the good old >days. > > >------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -------------------------------------------------- Totally Amazing Search Results - Just C4 Yourself! http://www.C4.com - Total Search Technology From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Dec 27 13:05:23 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 27 Dec 2001 21:05:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 60879 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2001 21:05:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2001 21:05:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.54) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2001 21:05:20 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.170] by n4.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2001 21:05:20 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 21:05:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AMS Christmas Music Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <167.63f20b1.295c219f@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1138 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.131 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > WLAC and WLW never converted to Stereo; part of the reason was that > WLAC once ran low-budget Christian ministries at night, including > the crooked Reverend Ike. BTW, anybody listen to "Brother Stair" on 1530 WSAI (overnights) recently? There is *so* much hum and buzz in the audio that it is ridiculously unlistenable! The modulation WSAI is putting out during his program must be 90% hum/buzz and only 10% of Stair's voice (over his cheap sub-telephone-quality feed). At least the bandwidth of the audio is narrow enough that it doesn't splatter onto my reception of Crawford's WPTR 1540 AM Stereo from Albany, NY. WSAI is a complete waste of a 50,000-watt clear channel signal. Even their normal programming is a syndicated satellite feed of "Music And Memories", as heard on zillions of local AM stations. p.s. Contrary to recent reports, 1500 WTOP in Washington, DC is *not* transmitting an IBOC DAB signal. They might have run a few brief tests of it, but in normal programming their signal is plain analog mono. WTOP has never been AM Stereo, although they reportedly did use Kahn PowerSide in the past. From 1377.3mp@start.com.au Thu Dec 27 13:38:00 2001 Return-Path: <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Sender: 1377.3mp@start.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 27 Dec 2001 21:37:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 11310 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2001 21:37:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2001 21:37:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.72) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2001 21:37:57 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.141] by n22.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2001 21:37:57 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 21:37:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM Stereo stations streaming Stereo ? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 64 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Originating-IP: 213.121.66.115 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69495942 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Are there any good ones around using G2 or Media player ? Dave From KC4QLP@aol.com Thu Dec 27 15:48:36 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 27 Dec 2001 23:48:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 48430 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2001 23:48:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2001 23:48:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d07.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.39) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2001 23:48:33 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.12d.9f58d61 (4241) for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 18:48:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <12d.9f58d61.295d0d4b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 18:48:27 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo ham net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Hey Jay! 20 meters sounds great to me! At the present I'm a general class {www.qrz.com} and I'm open to any band. At Home: At the present I have a Kenwood TS 440--100 watts RF and I'm set to operate... 160,80/75,40,20,17,15,12,10--CW,SSB,,AM,SSTV,FM ---and trying to figure out how to configure my RTTY & PSK31 program....so far no luck so I can do some work on 30m 6m--50 watts with a Swan 250 -- CW,SSB and Single Side Band AM 2m--HTX 212 FM,packet 60 watts 2m--Kenwood TS 170,SSB,AM 40 watts 70cm HTX 404 FM 5 watts In the car 2m FM 50 watts 70cm FM 5 watts 6m FM 10 watts 10m HR 2510 AM,FM,SSB,CW 100 watts Any how,thats the line-up here.... BTW heres a link to the SSTV shareware program that uses the sound card in your computer...pretty neat if I may say so my self === http://www.qsl.net/mmhamsoft/mmsstv RTTY & PSK31 shareware @ http://users.mesatop.com/~ghansen/ Now that I have a digital cam,I'll be able to upload some shots of the various stations to you all....maybe you'll even see them up on SSTV around 14.230 and 14.233 mhz Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.qsl.net/kc4qlp voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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This is the fault of both the FCC *and* congress. Nevertheless if you know of a sharp legal beagle who can make the case, I'm all ears. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: > Isn't it time we petition the FCC to revoke all of Clear Channel's 1200-plus > licenses? From dav259@minerals.csiro.au Thu Dec 27 18:25:40 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@minerals.csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 28 Dec 2001 02:25:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 15497 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2001 02:25:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2001 02:25:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2001 02:25:31 -0000 Received: from mineng (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00825 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 13:25:29 +1100 (EST) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 13:25:29 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re:{AMSF} Re: Christmas / WLW+ In-Reply-To: <20011227183731.3017.qmail@ninelives.chek.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24627097 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On 27 Dec 2001, David J Ring Jr wrote: > ANYONE REMEMBER WHAT THIS CD OR SONG WAS? It it was Julie Andrews you WOULD know - she has a unique voice with perfect pitch. I even have the LP from the Rogers and Hammerstein TV special that went live to air on CBS in 1956. Unfortunately it was never filmed and probably done in the days before videotape. Thank God that CBS released an LP so that it will never die. They did a remake in 1964 that was screened here as part of the opening of our ATV0 - now Melbourne's Channel 10. It starred Sally Anne Downs and musically wasn't a patch on the original. But R+H were great and Julie Andrews was the cat's pajamas. No wonder The Sound of Music saved 20th Century-Fox from oblivion after the Cleopatra debacle. As a matter of fact your ABC remade R+H's Cinderella about three years ago starring Whoopy Goldberg and Whitney Houston. It had a definite Walt Dysney touch to it and was OK - but none of poor old Cinder's songs ever sounded as good as Julie's original version. And earlier this year ABC did a remake of R+H's South Pacific filmed mainly here in OZ. I'd dying to see it. The soundtrack sounds good but they dropped Happy Talk. Our Hyacinth would be appalled. JA for President!! (Wouldn't it be loverly ...) From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Dec 27 20:09:36 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 28 Dec 2001 04:09:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 80335 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2001 04:09:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2001 04:09:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.75) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2001 04:09:34 -0000 Received: from [216.115.97.81] by n25.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2001 04:08:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 04:09:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Re: Christmas / WLW+ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 96 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > (Wouldn't it be loverly ...) Did you know that the rain in Spain falls mainly on the plain? From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Dec 28 09:14:01 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 28 Dec 2001 17:13:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 27089 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2001 17:13:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2001 17:13:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11705.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.71) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2001 17:13:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20011228171358.30310.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.80.145.218] by web11705.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 09:13:58 PST Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 09:13:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo ham net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <12d.9f58d61.295d0d4b@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio It looks like 20 Meters USB is probably best. Maybe 14.335 or somewhere around there. I don't know. I get hit w/ static on my radio on every band from about 100kHz in to 430 kHz. So, 7.100-7.430 are useless as are 3.600-3.930, 14.100-14.430, 21.100-21.430, etc.. 73, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From jeffdeck@aol.com Fri Dec 28 09:53:43 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 28 Dec 2001 17:53:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 33986 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2001 17:53:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2001 17:53:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m09.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.164) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2001 17:53:38 -0000 Received: from Jeffdeck@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.14e.66c3631 (4231); Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:53:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <14e.66c3631.295e0b9b@aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:53:31 EST Subject: Quick Question To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@nrcdxas.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 From: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4430287 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know the format and slogan for WWRU on 1660kHz? I received monaural adult standards station on this frequency on top of WQSN. Thanks in advance. 73, Jeff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Dec 28 10:23:11 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 28 Dec 2001 18:23:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 91599 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2001 18:23:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2001 18:23:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11701.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.67) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2001 18:23:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20011228182304.57098.qmail@web11701.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.80.145.218] by web11701.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 10:23:04 PST Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 10:23:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: Tivoli Model 2 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <14e.66c3631.295e0b9b@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I have the Model 1 mono radio, but apparently they have relseased the Model 2 which is stereo. Has anyone used this radio? Is it stereo? It's $159.95. I'd rather get that than a CCrane. The Models 1&2 were designed by Henry Kloss, who worked with E.H. Armstrong in the '50s. It has one speaker where the receiver is and the other speaker is in another unit. It has A.M., F.M., & Aux.. It looks cool. 73, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From Bossmsx@aol.com Fri Dec 28 10:40:39 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 28 Dec 2001 18:40:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 13847 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2001 18:40:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2001 18:40:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m10.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.165) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2001 18:40:37 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.190.6dfa94 (15870) for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 13:40:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from web49.aolmail.aol.com (web49.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.10]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILINID69-1228134034; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 13:40:34 -0500 Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 13:40:34 EST Subject: Re: Quick Question/1660 NYC To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <190.6dfa94.295e16a2@aol.com> From: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx Format for 1660 in NYC is Spanish News/Talk.... Slogan is "Radio Unica" (pronounced ooh-knee-kuh) Hope this helps. Tony Simon/Miami From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Dec 28 11:10:51 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 28 Dec 2001 19:10:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 56912 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2001 19:10:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2001 19:10:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14208.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.72) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2001 19:10:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20011228191047.69995.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.162.18.173] by web14208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:10:47 PST Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:10:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: Soapbox, comments, general BS... To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio WSAI: using 50KW for the broadcasts of the deceased 'bishop'R.C. Jones, Jr. (or whomever) of the Down South Church of the Trailer Park amazes me - how can they afford to buy WSAI airtime - or is this Clear Channels way of 'serving the public' by giving free airtime to very poorly produced, distorted audio programs? Julie Andrews: She has two Christmas albums on CD. One was just released (in 2000?) and I believe that it was recorded in England. The other Christmas LP was recorded in the 60's with Andre Previn & orchestra. HAM Meet on 20M: would love to chat on 20M, but I only have a blown-up Atlas 210X that I have been unable to resurrect :( AM Stereo: I received a very well-written letter from an engineer about not converting his "Class 4" (graveyard) station to AMS - and I hate to admit it, but he made sense with that station and frequency (although it's music). I would have liked to have him restore AMS on his other station though. Happy Holidays all... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Dec 28 13:07:08 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 28 Dec 2001 21:07:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 17099 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2001 21:07:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2001 21:07:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2001 21:07:04 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.34]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 16:03:26 -0500 Message-ID: <001801c18fe2$ee06f9e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <20011228182304.57098.qmail@web11701.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tivoli Model 2 Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 16:02:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I would be very leary of anything by Kloss- I know the model 88 actually has electronic circuitry to force the amp into mono while in AM, and a horrible antenna layout. The new model 2 IS stereo, but no AM stereo, of course. I may have to get one to fool with it. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Rogers From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Dec 28 13:49:54 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 28 Dec 2001 21:49:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 27938 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2001 21:49:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2001 21:49:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11702.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.68) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2001 21:49:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20011228214951.34304.qmail@web11702.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.80.145.218] by web11702.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 13:49:51 PST Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 13:49:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tivoli Model 2 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001801c18fe2$ee06f9e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio He was one of those FM guys in the '50s. Maybe he holds a grudge against AM. 73, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From KC4QLP@aol.com Fri Dec 28 17:25:25 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 29 Dec 2001 01:25:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 70615 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 01:25:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2001 01:25:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r10.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.106) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 01:25:19 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.67.1f5241b1 (4328) for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 20:25:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <67.1f5241b1.295e7573@aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 20:25:07 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo ham net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Shall we setup a schedule on 14.335 Saturday at say 12 noon just to see what will work? Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@y... http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio- subcribe@t... amstereo-subcribe@t... KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.qsl.net/kc4qlp voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms." ------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- ------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rjskadl@yahoo.com Fri Dec 28 19:30:26 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 29 Dec 2001 03:30:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 83627 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 03:30:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2001 03:30:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.73) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 03:30:24 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.23] by n23.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2001 03:30:23 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 03:30:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WQEW's Last Christmas Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 131 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl There was an earlier post about WQEW's Last Christmas. I have a link here to a page about WQEW's Last Christmas. Enjoy! -Rusty From rjskadl@yahoo.com Fri Dec 28 19:32:24 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 29 Dec 2001 03:32:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 2317 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2001 03:32:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2001 03:32:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.61) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 03:32:22 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.50] by n11.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2001 03:32:22 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 03:32:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WQEW's Last Christmas Take Two Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 283 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl There was an earlier post about WQEW's Last Christmas. I have a link here to a page about WQEW's Last Christmas. Enjoy! -Rusty http://www.wackradio.com/wqew/index.html Duh! I forgot the link the first time. I always laugh at people when they do that. Now I laugh at myself. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Dec 30 16:18:11 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 31 Dec 2001 00:18:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 60431 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 00:18:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2001 00:18:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.85) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 00:18:07 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.136] by n35.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2001 00:18:07 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 00:18:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Sansui tuner on eBay Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1135 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.77.8 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Congratulations to our own Tony Simon from Miami for having the winning bid on this rare Sansui AM Stereo tuner: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1313817102 Sansui was unique in that they used their own multi-system AM Stereo decoder design, rather than using the popular Sony "multi-system" decoder (which was really only designed for the Magnavox and Kahn systems and didn't have true support for C-Quam and Harris). Sansui originally designed it with a true synchronous detector for the Harris system, and then added on additional circuits to decode Kahn, C-Quam, and Magnavox. As a result the quality is excellent in all four modes. Sansui had a variety of AM Stereo tuners and car radios available in the early to mid 1980s, but all are very rare these days, especially the car radio models. (Speaking of which, the first three prototype Sansui AM Stereo car radios were used by 1010 CFRB in Canada for their test broadcasts of AM Stereo in 1983. CFRB is rumoured to have used the Magnavox system before deciding on C-Quam for their "official" debut of AM Stereo broadcasting in 1984.) From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sun Dec 30 21:29:17 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 31 Dec 2001 05:29:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 56554 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 05:29:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2001 05:29:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.65) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 05:29:14 -0000 Received: from [216.115.97.81] by n15.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2001 05:28:46 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 05:29:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Forum Down ? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 555 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.190 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst I couldn't reach the AMS forum earlier today and yesterday. Was yahoo just having trouble or just this forum? Anyway I wanted to touch base as I've been busy with other things since I posted my website in a message on Christmas. I haven't got much response from it though in the forum but over 20 have been to it. I would like some input on it whether it is helpful or not and what I can change to improve it. Well here is the URL again: http://www.hal-pc.org/~jsgil/AM-Stereo I guess I could put it in the bookmarks if it proves to be a useful site. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Dec 30 22:00:32 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 31 Dec 2001 06:00:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 92797 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 06:00:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2001 06:00:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.59) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 06:00:27 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.159] by n9.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2001 06:00:27 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 06:00:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Forum Down ? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 563 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.67.11 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics --- In amstereoforum@y..., "jsgilst" wrote: > I couldn't reach the AMS forum earlier today and yesterday. > Was yahoo just having trouble or just this forum? I haven't noticed any problems recently. Yahoo has its ups and downs, but so do many ISP's (Internet Service Providers). Some Internet services are taking the holidays as an excuse to shut down for a while and do maintenance. For example I have an e-mail and FTP account on my college's server and this past week it was down for three days for maintenance (whatever that involves). From dtaylor@newnw.com Sun Dec 30 22:09:17 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: dtaylor@newnw.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 31 Dec 2001 06:09:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 2558 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 06:09:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2001 06:09:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO newnw.com) (63.224.53.190) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 06:09:14 -0000 Received: from davkat [208.151.97.72] by newnw.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A107499C01E6; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 22:09:11 -0800 To: amstereo Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 21:09:02 -0900 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-Id: <1WFCIG72TOJVSQKDBA68DBUOMZWHE.3c3000fe@davkat> Subject: {AMSF} RE: Forum Down MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: Opera 6.0 build 999 From: Dave Taylor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=12315677 X-Yahoo-Profile: dnktaylor Yes, other Yahoo Groups forums were down earlier this morning. I belong to another group and it took quite awhile for my email to get posted. A warning notice popped up that they were having system problems. Dave T. Anchorage From Bossmsx@aol.com Mon Dec 31 07:51:18 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 31 Dec 2001 15:51:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 39991 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 15:51:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2001 15:51:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m10.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.165) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 15:51:12 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.f.2070e400 (15699) for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:51:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from web32.aolmail.aol.com (web32.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.8]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILINID51-1231105106; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:51:06 -0500 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:51:05 EST Subject: Re: Sansui tuner on eBay To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: From: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx <> (bowing) Thank you, thank you...I sincerely hope that 'philtroy' is not a member of this list, as I had some competition from him in the bidding...I'm pretty sure he's not a member of this list. At any rate, I cannot wait to get it and open it up...I'm real curious as to what chips/etc. make up the AM Stereo section of the radio...Also can't wait to make it up to Winter Haven, Fla. sometime to test it out (with the elimination of WODX/WMIB from Stereo, WWBF up there is the closest AMS station left). Tony Simon/Miami From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Dec 31 12:43:16 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 31 Dec 2001 20:43:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 14232 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 20:43:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2001 20:43:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.79) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 20:43:12 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.24] by n29.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2001 20:43:12 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:43:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: new Superadio clone from RS Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 568 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.76.31 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Has anybody tried the "new" Radio Shack 12-903 radio? Current advertised price is $59.99. I'm just wondering if it's just the old 12-603 radio in a new case or if it actually has new circuitry. It has the same advertised features (including wide/narrow bandwidth switch) and looks to have the same controls as the old Superadio clone (12-603), so I guess it's just the same thing in a newly styled package.... which is to say, still a very good portable mono radio with excellent sound quality on AM, but not quite as good as the real GE Superadio series. From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Dec 31 18:35:29 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 1 Jan 2002 02:35:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 49933 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2002 02:35:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2002 02:35:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2002 02:35:26 -0000 Received: from me (209-105-35-17.rev.sherbtel.net [209.105.35.17]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA28415; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:35:22 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00a001c1926d$6abf5860$d3a9fea9@me> To: , Subject: OT- optimist/pessimist/engineer Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:38:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Got this on off the Christian Radio Tech forum on bnet; it's good for a chu= ckle: Jon Foreman Good News Radio=AE KSGN To the optimist, the glass is half full. To the pessimist, the glass is half empty. To the engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Dec 31 19:40:31 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 1 Jan 2002 03:40:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 93535 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2002 03:40:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2002 03:40:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.65) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2002 03:40:28 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.116] by n15.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jan 2002 03:39:41 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 03:38:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Informal Poll: 200-2 vs. 20-0-2 Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 970 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics OK, I have nothing better to do, so here's an informal poll for all of you: are you going to call this new year "two-thousand-two", or "twenty-oh-two"? I think most people are going to say "two-thousand-two", but there are those who strongly insist that saying "twenty-oh-two" is more 'correct'. Either way, it's the same number of syllables, so I personally will probably continue the "two-thousand-____" trend until 2010, which I think most people will finally pronounce as "twenty-ten", and so on from that point. Required AM Stereo content of this message: Back in the mid-1990s when I first got involved with AM Stereo, if I had said that AM Stereo was still going to be around in 2002, most people would have probably laughed at me... back then, everybody thought IBOC/Digital Radio was right around the corner, and surely by 2002 *all* radio stations would be IBOC, just as *all* TV stations would be HDTV! Yeah, sure.... I'm still waiting! From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Dec 31 20:02:48 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 1 Jan 2002 04:02:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 80141 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2002 04:02:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2002 04:02:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11706.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.72) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2002 04:02:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20020101040245.67613.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.80.145.218] by web11706.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:02:45 PST Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:02:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Informal Poll: 200-2 vs. 20-0-2 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Well, as it is 11:02 PM here in Florida, for those of you already in 2002, here is a little greeting from those of us in 2001. 73, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From KC4QLP@aol.com Mon Dec 31 20:09:24 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 1 Jan 2002 04:09:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 35898 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2002 04:09:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2002 04:09:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m09.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.164) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2002 04:09:22 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.c3.1ba0e32b (1320) for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:09:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:09:18 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Informal Poll: 200-2 vs. 20-0-2 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp My vote is for two thousand and two ....and I'll probably be spending a little time up on 14.230mhz as the new year rings in Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.qsl.net/kc4qlp voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Tue Jan 01 08:02:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 1 Jan 2002 16:02:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 98113 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2002 16:02:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2002 16:02:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.22) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2002 16:02:18 -0000 Received: from sdn-ar-001fltampp306.dialsprint.net ([168.191.74.44] helo=earthlink.net) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16LRMn-0007Pg-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 01 Jan 2002 08:02:17 -0800 Message-ID: <3C31DE04.A5173EB9@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 11:04:21 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Informal Poll: 200-2 vs. 20-0-2 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Dick W." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 I think you're right about the "two-thousand-two" and the "twenty-ten". Dick W. kevtronics wrote: > OK, I have nothing better to do, so here's an informal poll for all of > you: are you going to call this new year "two-thousand-two", or > "twenty-oh-two"? I think most people are going to say > "two-thousand-two", but there are those who strongly insist that > saying "twenty-oh-two" is more 'correct'. Either way, it's the same > number of syllables, so I personally will probably continue the > "two-thousand-____" trend until 2010, which I think most people will > finally pronounce as "twenty-ten", and so on from that point. > > Required AM Stereo content of this message: Back in the mid-1990s > when I first got involved with AM Stereo, if I had said that AM Stereo > was still going to be around in 2002, most people would have probably > laughed at me... back then, everybody thought IBOC/Digital Radio was > right around the corner, and surely by 2002 *all* radio stations would > be IBOC, just as *all* TV stations would be HDTV! Yeah, sure.... I'm > still waiting! > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jan 01 21:46:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 2 Jan 2002 05:46:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 93518 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2002 05:46:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2002 05:46:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.74) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2002 05:46:20 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.165] by n24.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2002 05:46:19 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 05:46:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: help defend AM Stereo Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1362 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.138 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics If any of you have access to UseNet Newsgroups, please check out: alt.radio.broadcasting Look for the thread about "WSM in Nashville is dying". This originally was a discussion about the rumour that 650 WSM is switching to a Sports format. I mentioned WSM's dropping of AM Stereo, and now it has turned into a huge discussion about the merits and drawbacks of AM Stereo and AM radio in general. As usual, the *listeners* are very supportive of AM Stereo, while the broadcasting industry "professionals" who think they know everything insist that "nobody listens to AM radio anymore, so therefore AM Stereo isn't worth it". You'll likely see a fellow named Rich Wood in the discussion -- he was the former Program Director of 50kW mono news/talker 710 WOR in New York City. I say "former" because he was given the boot after his program directing wasn't getting the station any ratings. Again, he likely listened more to himself than to what the actual listeners wanted from WOR. And this goes hand in hand with his intense dislike for AM Stereo, and the whole concept of AM radio in general. Anyway, I think WSM should be sold to Crawford, Entercom, or Greater Media. These companies, who actually listen to their listeners, would know what to do with it to keep it alive as the USA's best-known Country Music station, in AM Stereo! From dav259@minerals.csiro.au Tue Jan 01 23:54:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@minerals.csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 2 Jan 2002 07:54:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 69305 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2002 07:54:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2002 07:54:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2002 07:54:01 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA24822 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:53:59 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:53:59 +1100 (EST) To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} help defend AM Stereo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24627097 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Wed, 2 Jan 2002, kevtronics wrote: > If any of you have access to UseNet Newsgroups, please check out: > > alt.radio.broadcasting > > Look for the thread about "WSM in Nashville is dying". Kevin - Is there a web site to access these messages - as in our google aus.radio.broadcast newsgroup at: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&group=aus.radio.broadcast I did a google search and came up with 285 responses - adding "WSM" I got nothing at all. Ian [trying hard ...] From 1377.3mp@start.com.au Wed Jan 02 13:11:09 2002 Return-Path: <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Sender: 1377.3mp@start.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 2 Jan 2002 21:11:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 59695 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2002 21:11:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2002 21:11:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.77) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2002 21:11:03 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.170] by n27.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2002 21:10:59 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 21:10:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} help defend AM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 658 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Originating-IP: 213.121.69.174 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69495942 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@y..., Ian Davidson wrote: > On Wed, 2 Jan 2002, kevtronics wrote: > > > If any of you have access to UseNet Newsgroups, please check out: > > > > alt.radio.broadcasting > > > > Look for the thread about "WSM in Nashville is dying". > > Kevin - Is there a web site to access these messages - as in our google > aus.radio.broadcast newsgroup at: > > http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&group=aus.radio.broadcast > > I did a google search and came up with 285 responses - adding "WSM" I got > nothing at all. > > Ian [trying hard ...] The thread is there (74 replies) at http://makeashorterlink.com/?S3821144 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jan 02 13:32:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 2 Jan 2002 21:32:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 79201 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2002 21:32:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2002 21:32:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.68) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2002 21:32:55 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.167] by n18.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2002 21:33:05 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 21:32:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} help defend AM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 480 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Kevin - Is there a web site to access these messages First, try the direct method by typing this in your web browser's Location/URL bar: news:alt.radio.broadcasting If that doesn't work, and you're not technically inclined enough to set up direct access to UseNet newsgroups, you can access them on the web through Deja or Google. In this case the direct link to access the group through Google is: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&group=alt.radio.broadcasting From dav259@minerals.csiro.au Wed Jan 02 13:52:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@minerals.csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 2 Jan 2002 21:52:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 10356 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2002 21:52:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2002 21:52:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2002 21:52:32 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA25420 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 08:52:30 +1100 (EST) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 08:52:30 +1100 (EST) To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} help defend AM Stereo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24627097 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Wed, 2 Jan 2002, amstereofan wrote: > The thread is there (74 replies) at > > http://makeashorterlink.com/?S3821144 Thanks Dave! Good God - it's another google group ... From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jan 02 14:49:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 2 Jan 2002 22:49:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 34940 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2002 22:49:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2002 22:49:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.85) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2002 22:49:12 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.115] by n35.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2002 22:49:12 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 22:49:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: help defend AM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 394 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > > http://makeashorterlink.com/?S3821144 > Thanks Dave! Good God - it's another google group ... Note that the results of this URL don't make much sense until you click on "View Thread (74 Replies)" on the first search result. Then, on the left side of the screen, look for message 23 in the thread, as that's my first comment about AM Stereo at WSM which got the whole thing started! From dav259@minerals.csiro.au Wed Jan 02 15:47:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@minerals.csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 2 Jan 2002 23:47:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 48767 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2002 23:47:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2002 23:47:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2002 23:47:16 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA29872 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:47:14 +1100 (EST) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:47:14 +1100 (EST) To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: help defend AM Stereo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24627097 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Wed, 2 Jan 2002, kevtronics wrote: > Note that the results of this URL don't make much sense until you > click on "View Thread (74 Replies)" on the first search result. Then, > on the left side of the screen, look for message 23 in the thread, as > that's my first comment about AM Stereo at WSM which got the whole > thing started! re: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&group=alt.radio.broadcasting Well done Kevin!! You've managed to get about 62 messages on this thread about AMS. Maybe in your next post you should double post and start a new thread headed AM stereo. There doesn't seem to have been a general discussion on AMS since June 2000. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jan 02 16:58:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 3 Jan 2002 00:58:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 59557 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2002 00:58:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2002 00:58:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.74) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2002 00:58:05 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.168] by n24.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2002 00:58:05 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 00:58:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: DXing tip Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1415 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.34 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics In these winter months, the best times for DXing are the early morning and late afternoon, when AM stations are on their full-power daytime signal patterns while the ionosphere is active for "skip" reception. This actually applies to the summer as well, but then you have less chance of the sky being dark enough for good skip DX at these times. And remember that DXing towards the West is best around sunset, as these stations have their sunset times later than you (and thus are staying at full daytime power while your local stations are already at night power), and DXing towards the East is best around sunrise (stations East of you are aleady on Day power when your local stations are still on Night power). This especially applies to the Expanded Band, as during these so-called "critical hours" you will be hearing stations at their full 10 kW daytime power levels, either early in the morning just after the station's local sunrise time, or in the late afternoon just before the station's local sunset time. For example, last summer before local sunset I was able to clearly hear 1620 WHLY in AM Stereo -- that's a good 600 mile distance -- while the sun was still shining!! And today, I happened to catch 1390 WNIO from Youngstown, OH (mono)... yeah, that's "only" 330 miles away, but not bad for a small station on a crowded channel at 4:00 PM, received on a Panasonic walkman! From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Jan 02 18:11:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 3 Jan 2002 02:11:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 80633 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2002 02:11:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2002 02:11:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2002 02:11:34 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-166.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.166]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA20002 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:11:32 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000701c193fc$6e36a080$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <3C31DE04.A5173EB9@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Informal Poll: 200-2 vs. 20-0-2 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:14:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I've heard some folks say 2K2. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick W. > I think you're right about the "two-thousand-two" and the "twenty-ten". > Dick W. > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jan 02 18:54:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 3 Jan 2002 02:54:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 21146 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2002 02:54:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2002 02:54:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.52) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2002 02:54:23 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.162] by n2.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2002 02:54:23 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 02:54:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Informal Poll: 200-2 vs. 20-0-2 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000701c193fc$6e36a080$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1126 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.34 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I've heard some folks say 2K2. In computer lingo, that would translate as the year 2050! Computers often use binary K's, which are a measurement of 1024, instead of decimal K's, which are 1000. Thus "2K" or two binary K's would be 2048, plus two equals 2050. And in electronics, "2K2" is short-hand for a 2200 ohm resistor... Anyway, I think a better question is, what DECADE are we in? We had the '70s, '80s, and '90s, and now what? Is it the '100s? Or the Zeroes? Actually, in past times, the first decade of a century was called simply "The Turn", as in "The turn of the century". So, I suppose we could have radio stations promoting themselves as "the best hits of the '80s, '90s, and the Turn". p.s. My "critical hours DXing" from earlier today also came across 830 WEEU from Reading, PA playing "Drops Of Jupiter" by Train... I hadn't heard that song on AM before! Ever since KCJJ has been crowded out by other stations and TIS's, I have been missing Top 40 music on the AM band, in Stereo where available... WICC from Connecticut comes close, but they don't play the "harder-edge" stuff. From dav259@minerals.csiro.au Wed Jan 02 19:44:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@minerals.csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 3 Jan 2002 03:44:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 99958 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2002 03:44:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2002 03:44:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2002 03:44:23 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA09167 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:44:21 +1100 (EST) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:44:21 +1100 (EST) To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Informal Poll: 200-2 vs. 20-0-2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24627097 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, kevtronics wrote: > Anyway, I think a better question is, what DECADE are we in? We had > the '70s, '80s, and '90s, and now what? Is it the '100s? Or the > Zeroes? Well in Oz we've already named it the "naughty noughties" ... and we are quite unanimous in this. And as we speak fair dinkum Queens Bloody English here we say "two thousand AND two" - but 20,02 is OK. And we never say a quarter to the hour as it sounds as common as muck. We say it's "half past a quarter to from" just to keep you guys guessing. :) From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Jan 02 23:01:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 3 Jan 2002 07:01:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 54933 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2002 07:01:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2002 07:01:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11704.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.70) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2002 07:01:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20020103070129.9988.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.80.145.95] by web11704.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 23:01:29 PST Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 23:01:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: KCJJ at 10kW on 1/3/02? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio January 3,2002 I just heard an ID for KCJJ in Florida. Are they running 10kW? 73, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Jan 03 01:09:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 3 Jan 2002 09:09:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 24224 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2002 09:09:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2002 09:09:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2002 09:09:06 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.28]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 04:04:51 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c19435$9ecd0b60$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <20020103070129.9988.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} KCJJ at 10kW on 1/3/02? Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 04:04:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Yup- KCJJ is 10KW 24/7..... I don't know now if they do all the time, as Steve was getting a complaint from another station on the same freq.... CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Rogers From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Jan 03 09:29:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 3 Jan 2002 17:29:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 73239 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2002 17:29:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2002 17:29:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11705.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.71) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2002 17:29:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20020103172920.95897.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.80.198.154] by web11705.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 09:29:20 PST Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:29:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} KCJJ at 10kW on 1/3/02? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000b01c19435$9ecd0b60$0101a8c0@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Too bad everything else on 1630 sucks. Personally, I think KCJJ should buy out all of the other stations on 1630 and rebroadcast on those stations. Plus, it was after midnight in both time zones, so isn't that their "Testing period?" 73, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Jan 03 14:34:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 3 Jan 2002 22:34:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 21962 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2002 22:34:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2002 22:34:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2002 22:34:36 -0000 Received: from me (209-105-35-6.rev.sherbtel.net [209.105.35.6]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA13758 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:34:32 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <004a01c194a7$4a46fca0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020103172920.95897.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} KCJJ at 10kW on 1/3/02? Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:37:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude If they're running regular programming, it wouldn't be considered "testing" by the Funny Candy Co. and would be risking a "monetary forfeiture." They're supposed to be 10k-D, 1k-N. I did hear a lot of good long DX the last few nights so it isn't impossible you heard them at low power. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Rogers To: Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 11:29 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} KCJJ at 10kW on 1/3/02? > Too bad everything else on 1630 sucks. Personally, I > think KCJJ should buy out all of the other stations on > 1630 and rebroadcast on those stations. Plus, it was > after midnight in both time zones, so isn't that their > "Testing period?" > > 73, > Jay,N1WVQ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jan 03 17:26:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 4 Jan 2002 01:25:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 96752 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2002 01:25:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2002 01:25:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.65) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2002 01:25:58 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.159] by n15.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2002 01:25:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 01:25:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: KCJJ at 10kW on 1/3/02? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020103172920.95897.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3397 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.91.32 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Too bad everything else on 1630 sucks. Personally, I think KCJJ > should buy out all of the other stations on 1630 and rebroadcast on > those stations. Plus, it was after midnight in both time zones, so > isn't that their "Testing period?" I also happened to hear KCJJ last night. Even when they're not strong enough to hear the audio, the faint "glowing embers" of their signal is enough to trip my radio in Stereo mode. I would also love for KCJJ to once again have a clear coast-to-coast signal at night. But first they would have to get rid of all the local TIS and "Community Info" stations that have cropped up on 1630 kHz. In fact, this is infecting the whole Expanded Band. Right now I have strong local TIS/Community Info stations on 1610, 1630, and 1640 kHz, and from time to time I can also hear a few on the other channels, including 1700 kHz. I think these stations should all move up to 1710 kHz, which was supposed to be their designated new channel to operate on, after 1610 kHz was opened up to use by full-power commercial stations. And they can stay on 530 kHz too, as even with zillions of them on that frequency, that 100,000 watt Spanish music station from the Caribbean just wipes them all out at night anyway! BTW, other interesting DX observations last night from here in NJ: There was some sort of blank carrier (signal with no audio) on 590 kHz that appeared to be putting out an AM Stereo pilot tone. Maybe some daytimer left their transmitter on all night? 790 CIGM from Canada also appeared to be putting out an AM Stereo pilot tone, but with no separation in the audio. CIGM seems to flip-flop almost daily between no pilot/no separation, no pilot with Stereo separation, pilot/no separation, and pilot with Stereo separation. Spin the roulette wheel and win $5 if you can predict how they'll be transmitting that night! I was getting a religious talk station on 920 kHz that appeared to be putting out a Stereo signal. Mono talk programming, so I couldn't check for true Stereo. Anybody know if WMNI from Ohio runs religious stuff at night? Something was very consistently causing 1020 KDKA to "false" into Stereo. I thought it was KDKA itself for a while, but when KDKA got very strong, it disappeared, and if I readjusted my antenna to make KDKA a little weaker, my radio popped back into Stereo mode and stayed there consistently. The same thing was happening with 1140 WRVA. People insist that CC-owned WRVA is not Stereo, but I consistently receive them in Stereo mode. There is also an unusual "digital" interference on 1140 kHz that people say is coming from some sort of secret government transmitter. When heard in Stereo, the noise "spreads across" the left and right channels, making it even more strange. Also, I agree with those who say WRVA's audio is lousy. It sounds like an old vacuum-tube audio amplifier in serious need of some restoration -- it's "tubby", "grundgy", and distorted. My local AM country music station sounded like this until they put some new tubes in their vintage early '70s Collins transmitter. Finally, some religious station calling themselves "WHK" on 1220 kHz was putting out a Stereo signal. Perhaps this could be the station on 1220 from Cleveland, OH with new call letters? RadioStation.com lists a WHK in Cleveland but they show it on 1420 kHz. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jan 03 17:34:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 4 Jan 2002 01:34:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 8991 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2002 01:34:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2002 01:34:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.56) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2002 01:34:44 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.126] by n6.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2002 01:34:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 01:34:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: KCJJ at 10kW on 1/3/02? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004a01c194a7$4a46fca0$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1511 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.91.32 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > If they're running regular programming, it wouldn't be considered > "testing" by the Funny Candy Co. and would be risking a "monetary > forfeiture." Actually, stations that are licensed for nighttime broadcasting can transmit daytime-power tests at night with "regular" programming (talk, music, etc.). It's only the daytime-only stations that are limited to a blank carrier and test tones when doing tests after sunset. I have actually heard a full-time station that was "testing" their nighttime signal power and pattern during the *day*. Their normal 4.7 kW daytime signal had a very sharply directional pattern to the north and south, leaving all the listeners to the east and west in the dark. However, their 1 kW nighttime signal was almost circular in shape, filling in these areas quite nicely even with the reduced power. So, they decided to "test" their nighttime signal during the day for a few months. I think it stayed that way until they changed formats from music to talk. In fact there are quite a few stations with better local groundwave coverage at night than during the day. For example, 1190 WLIB in New York City runs 10 kW day, and 30 kW night, thanks to their buying out of WOWO in Indiana and dropping that station down to less than 10 kW at night. From time to time I still manage to hear WOWO at night in the background of WLIB's signal; that must be when they "forget" to switch from 50 kW daytime power, just to spite their new neighbors to the east. From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Jan 03 18:45:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 4 Jan 2002 02:45:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 85693 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2002 02:45:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2002 02:45:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2002 02:45:07 -0000 Received: from me (204-221-28-169.rev.sherbtel.net [204.221.28.169]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA26442 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:45:04 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001f01c194ca$4a261940$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ at 10kW on 1/3/02? Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:47:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics To: Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 7:25 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ at 10kW on 1/3/02? > > Too bad everything else on 1630 sucks. Personally, I think KCJJ > > should buy out all of the other stations on 1630 and rebroadcast on > > those stations. Plus, it was after midnight in both time zones, so > > isn't that their "Testing period?" > > I also happened to hear KCJJ last night. Even when they're not strong > enough to hear the audio, the faint "glowing embers" of their signal > is enough to trip my radio in Stereo mode. > > I would also love for KCJJ to once again have a clear coast-to-coast > signal at night. But first they would have to get rid of all the > local TIS and "Community Info" stations that have cropped up on > 1630 kHz. In fact, this is infecting the whole Expanded Band. Right > now I have strong local TIS/Community Info stations on 1610, 1630, and > 1640 kHz, and from time to time I can also hear a few on the other > channels, including 1700 kHz. > > I think these stations should all move up to 1710 kHz, which was > supposed to be their designated new channel to operate on, after 1610 > kHz was opened up to use by full-power commercial stations. And they > can stay on 530 kHz too, as even with zillions of them on that > frequency, that 100,000 watt Spanish music station from the Caribbean > just wipes them all out at night anyway! > > BTW, other interesting DX observations last night from here in NJ: > > There was some sort of blank carrier (signal with no audio) on 590 kHz > that appeared to be putting out an AM Stereo pilot tone. Maybe some > daytimer left their transmitter on all night? > > 790 CIGM from Canada also appeared to be putting out an AM Stereo > pilot tone, but with no separation in the audio. CIGM seems to > flip-flop almost daily between no pilot/no separation, no pilot with > Stereo separation, pilot/no separation, and pilot with Stereo > separation. Spin the roulette wheel and win $5 if you can predict how > they'll be transmitting that night! > > I was getting a religious talk station on 920 kHz that appeared to be > putting out a Stereo signal. Mono talk programming, so I couldn't > check for true Stereo. Anybody know if WMNI from Ohio runs religious > stuff at night? > > Something was very consistently causing 1020 KDKA to "false" into > Stereo. I thought it was KDKA itself for a while, but when KDKA got > very strong, it disappeared, and if I readjusted my antenna to make > KDKA a little weaker, my radio popped back into Stereo mode and stayed > there consistently. > > The same thing was happening with 1140 WRVA. People insist that > CC-owned WRVA is not Stereo, but I consistently receive them in Stereo > mode. There is also an unusual "digital" interference on 1140 kHz > that people say is coming from some sort of secret government > transmitter. When heard in Stereo, the noise "spreads across" the > left and right channels, making it even more strange. Also, I agree > with those who say WRVA's audio is lousy. It sounds like an old > vacuum-tube audio amplifier in serious need of some restoration -- > it's "tubby", "grundgy", and distorted. My local AM country music > station sounded like this until they put some new tubes in their > vintage early '70s Collins transmitter. > > Finally, some religious station calling themselves "WHK" on 1220 kHz > was putting out a Stereo signal. Perhaps this could be the station > on 1220 from Cleveland, OH with new call letters? RadioStation.com > lists a WHK in Cleveland but they show it on 1420 kHz. > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Jan 03 18:51:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 4 Jan 2002 02:51:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 94838 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2002 02:51:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2002 02:51:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2002 02:51:25 -0000 Received: from me (204-221-28-169.rev.sherbtel.net [204.221.28.169]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA27486 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:51:22 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000701c194cb$2b8cbc40$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ at 10kW on 1/3/02? Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:54:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics To: Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 7:25 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ at 10kW on 1/3/02? > Right > now I have strong local TIS/Community Info stations on 1610, 1630, and > 1640 kHz, and from time to time I can also hear a few on the other > channels, including 1700 kHz. > > I think these stations should all move up to 1710 kHz, which was > supposed to be their designated new channel to operate on, after 1610 > kHz was opened up to use by full-power commercial stations. Actually a TIS can operate anywhere it won't cause interference with a local station. I agree it's too bad that they all aren't moved to 1710, but a lot of digital EB radios will only tune to 1700. Perhaps we could petition the FCC to require them to move. > > Finally, some religious station calling themselves "WHK" on 1220 kHz > was putting out a Stereo signal. Perhaps this could be the station > on 1220 from Cleveland, OH with new call letters? RadioStation.com > lists a WHK in Cleveland but they show it on 1420 kHz. No, that's not your imagination. That's Salem playing a call-letter shell game. There's now WHK and WWHK in Cleveland- the WWHK taking the place at the old WHK spot on the dial. Go figure. BTW, the only Salem AM putting out so much as a pilot is KBJD on 1650. Your radio was falsing. ST From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Jan 03 18:56:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 4 Jan 2002 02:56:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 2320 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2002 02:56:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2002 02:56:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2002 02:56:15 -0000 Received: from me (204-221-28-169.rev.sherbtel.net [204.221.28.169]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA28204 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:56:13 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000d01c194cb$d8b38480$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ at 10kW on 1/3/02? Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:59:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics > I have actually heard a full-time station that was "testing" their > nighttime signal power and pattern during the *day*. Their normal 4.7 > kW daytime signal had a very sharply directional pattern to the north > and south, leaving all the listeners to the east and west in the dark. > However, their 1 kW nighttime signal was almost circular in shape, > filling in these areas quite nicely even with the reduced power. Seems almost as many stations have applied for reduced power for better coverage as you described above as have converted to higher power with nasty nulls and directional signals. Who does which depends upon whether the station wants to serve the community or get monster national rates with their wattage. Now if only some of these ad reps would ask for a coverage map! > In fact there are quite a few stations with better local groundwave > coverage at night than during the day. For example, 1190 WLIB in New > York City runs 10 kW day, and 30 kW night, thanks to their buying out > of WOWO in Indiana and dropping that station down to less than 10 kW > at night. From time to time I still manage to hear WOWO at night in > the background of WLIB's signal; that must be when they "forget" to > switch from 50 kW daytime power, just to spite their new neighbors to > the east. I thought they were owned by the same company... or did that last only long enough to do the dirty work of downgrading WOWO? ST From KC4QLP@aol.com Thu Jan 03 19:51:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 4 Jan 2002 03:51:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 17270 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2002 03:51:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2002 03:51:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2002 03:51:03 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.8a.11f24536 (25308) for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:50:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8a.11f24536.296680a1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:50:57 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ at 10kW on 1/3/02?--WRVA To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 1/3/02 8:27:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, kevtronics@yahoo.com writes: << he same thing was happening with 1140 WRVA. People insist that CC-owned WRVA is not Stereo, but I consistently receive them in Stereo mode. There is also an unusual "digital" interference on 1140 kHz that people say is coming from some sort of secret government transmitter. When heard in Stereo, the noise "spreads across" the left and right channels, making it even more strange. Also, I agree with those who say WRVA's audio is lousy. It sounds like an old vacuum-tube audio amplifier in serious need of some restoration -- it's "tubby", "grundgy", and distorted. My local AM country music station sounded like this until they put some new tubes in their vintage early '70s Collins transmitter. >> With the mention of WRVA....thought some folks might find this sight interesting. 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Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.qsl.net/kc4qlp voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jan 03 20:01:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 4 Jan 2002 04:01:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 50854 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2002 04:01:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2002 04:01:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.54) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2002 04:01:30 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.118] by n4.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2002 04:01:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 04:01:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: KCJJ at 10kW on 1/3/02? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000d01c194cb$d8b38480$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1215 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.91.32 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Who does which depends upon whether the station wants to serve the > community or get monster national rates with their wattage. Now if > only some of these ad reps would ask for a coverage map! 570 WMCA in New York City applied for an upgrade from 5 kW to 50 kW just so they could promote themselves as a "50,000 WATT" station to advertisers... nevermind the fact that the 50 kW signal would be aimed all out in the ocean and for the people on land the signal would actually be reduced! Thankfully WMCA has not gone through with this "upgrade". You should see the coverage pattern for 900 CHML in Hamilton, ON... yes, they are 50,000 watts, but with 8 towers! It's basically like a flashlight beam... in the "beam" of the signal, the effective radiated power is almost 800,000 watts, while in the opposite direction, it's virtually nothing! Of course, the ultimate is a station in Popovka, Russia (about 30 km southeast of St. Petersburg) on 1494 kHz... with an in-line array of 26 TOWERS all in a row... it is aimed at Scandinavia, with a gain of 25 dB... with the transmitter output power of 1200 kW, the effective radiated power in the beam of the signal is many, many MILLIONS of watts! From KC4QLP@aol.com Thu Jan 03 20:06:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 4 Jan 2002 04:06:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 13546 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2002 04:06:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2002 04:06:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r10.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.106) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2002 04:06:50 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 1.113.a5f3dbf (25308); Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:06:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <113.a5f3dbf.29668455@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:06:45 EST Subject: Fwd: [amstereo] AM 1560 WQEW New York "Radio Disney" in AM STEREO!!! To: amstereo@topica.com, amstereoradio@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/3/02 9:55:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, tdevine2@juno.com writes: << Tonight I was driving and came accross AM 1560 WQEW NYC, and the "Radio Disney" station was coming in with glarious STEREO. And it wasn't just my reciever, I heard some of the seperation. I see they have finally got the sense to put the music on-the-air the way it ment to be heard, in AM STEREO. I invite everyone to check it out tonight to make sure. -Travers www.centralmarylandradio.main-page.com >> Anyone else seeing this too? ..if its not mine and Travers active imagionation....looks like Radio Disney is now seeing the light...or should that be...the pilot? Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.qsl.net/kc4qlp voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rob_schaller@hotmail.com Thu Jan 03 20:38:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rob_schaller@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 4 Jan 2002 04:38:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 40023 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2002 04:38:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2002 04:38:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.21.160) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2002 04:38:07 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:38:07 -0800 Received: from 12.249.144.165 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 04:38:07 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fwd: [amstereo] AM 1560 WQEW New York "Radio Disney" in AM STEREO!!! Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 04:38:07 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jan 2002 04:38:07.0396 (UTC) FILETIME=[9B184E40:01C194D9] From: "Rob Schaller" X-Originating-IP: [12.249.144.165] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88071317 In the Chicago area, WRDZ AM1300 is the outlet for Radio Disney, and like its NYC counterpart, also transmits in AM stereo and sounds great with the right reciever. Perhaps the company that owns Radio Disney is making positive strides for the promotion of AM stereo. IMHO, program formats that include music are the best type of promotional material. RS From: KC4QLP@aol.com Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereo@topica.com, amstereoradio@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Fwd: [amstereo] AM 1560 WQEW New York "Radio Disney" in AM STEREO!!! Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:06:45 EST In a message dated 1/3/02 9:55:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, tdevine2@juno.com writes: << Tonight I was driving and came accross AM 1560 WQEW NYC, and the "Radio Disney" station was coming in with glarious STEREO. And it wasn't just my reciever, I heard some of the seperation. I see they have finally got the sense to put the music on-the-air the way it ment to be heard, in AM STEREO. I invite everyone to check it out tonight to make sure. -Travers www.centralmarylandradio.main-page.com >> Anyone else seeing this too? ..if its not mine and Travers active imagionation....looks like Radio Disney is now seeing the light...or should that be...the pilot? Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.qsl.net/kc4qlp voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jan 03 21:38:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 4 Jan 2002 05:38:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 27923 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2002 05:38:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2002 05:38:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.77) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2002 05:38:01 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.125] by n27.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2002 05:38:01 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 05:37:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fwd: FM Stereo vs. AM Stereo Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2056 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.91.32 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Here's what I just posted in the alt.radio.broadcasting newsgroup: Subject: FM Stereo vs. AM Stereo Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 23:47:05 -0500 From: Kevin Tekel <76362.2023@compuserve.com> Newsgroups: alt.radio.broadcasting For those of you who are wondering why any people can possibly think that AM Stereo sounds "better" than FM Stereo, here are some examples that I put together. These are two actual off-the-air recordings of the same piece of music, as heard on an FM Stereo station and then on an AM Stereo station. You can play them with any MP3 player, including RealPlayer, QuickTime, and Windows Media Player. First, the FM Stereo recording: http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~ktekel/fm-demo.mp3 And now the AM Stereo recording: http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~ktekel/am-demo.mp3 You should be able to hear the difference in audio processing between FM and AM. Yes, the FM is a little bit more "crisp", but that is mostly negated by the heavy multi-band compression that is used (and this is actually one of the better FM stations I have heard -- some are much worse than this). And even with the 10 kHz NRSC limit, the AM recording doesn't sound nearly as dull as you might expect. And for those of you who follow the IBOC DAB proponents' belief that a 5 kHz audio cut-off (necessary to "make room for" the DAB digital signal) would not be noticeable on ordinary AM radios, first here is the same AM signal as received on a conventional limited-bandwidth AM radio: http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~ktekel/amnarr.mp3 ...and then received on the same radio, this time with a 5 kHz cut-off of the transmitted audio response, as the IBOC DAB system would require: http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~ktekel/am5khz.mp3 Maybe a 90-year-old with a dime-store hearing aid can't tell the difference between those two, but I sure can... especially the "ringing" caused by having a very sharp cut-off filter right in the middle of our most sensitive hearing range. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jan 03 21:49:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 4 Jan 2002 05:49:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 72682 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2002 05:49:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2002 05:49:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.59) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2002 05:49:35 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.123] by n9.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2002 05:49:35 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 05:49:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fwd: FM Stereo vs. AM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 698 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.91.32 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics BTW, the featured song in the audio clips is "Don't Know Much", a duet from 1989 by Aaron Neville and Linda Ronstadt. I chose it because in its native form (on the original album) it has the most dynamic range I have ever heard from any popular song recorded in the past two decades. In this case the AM station broadcast it with 2.5:1 volume compression (which is already rather aggressive). I don't even want to know how much volume compression the FM station was using! I'm also working on a simulated example of what it would sound like on IBOC DAB and XM radio... of course, I don't have direct access to these technologies, but I can get pretty close thanks to "Cool Edit". :-) From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jan 03 21:53:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 4 Jan 2002 05:52:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 17252 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2002 05:52:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2002 05:52:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.65) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2002 05:52:58 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.158] by n15.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2002 05:52:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 05:52:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM 1560 WQEW New York "Radio Disney" in AM STEREO!!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 598 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.91.32 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Perhaps the company that owns Radio Disney is making positive > strides for the promotion of AM stereo. I have yet to check 1560 WQEW tonight but I can tell you that sometimes with the phasing effects of the high frequency and skywave propagation, Radio Disney on WQEW can sound like they are putting out stereo audio when they're really not. Yes, you do hear "stereo separation" but after the signal clears up you'll hear it's just plain mono with some strange phasing effects. However, the Stereo equipment undoubtedly still is in place at WQEW, so they just might have turned it on! From dav259@minerals.csiro.au Thu Jan 03 23:52:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@minerals.csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 4 Jan 2002 07:52:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 48889 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2002 07:52:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2002 07:52:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2002 07:52:36 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10668 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 18:52:34 +1100 (EST) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 18:52:34 +1100 (EST) To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fwd: FM Stereo vs. AM Stereo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24627097 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, kevtronics wrote: > Here's what I just posted in the alt.radio.broadcasting newsgroup: > > First, the FM Stereo recording: > > http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~ktekel/fm-demo.mp3 > > And now the AM Stereo recording: > > http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~ktekel/am-demo.mp3 Kevin - This is great! I didn't need convincing - but this should convince many skeptics. Didn't like the music track though. I'd love to hear something with a proper orchestra. Synthesisers have the uncanny ability to make all sounds flow into each other sort of muddying the sound. Nothing will ever replace a good orchestra. Magic here plays many orchestral tracks from Nelson Riddle's backings for Frank Sinatra, to Percy Faith, and Ferrante and Tiecher (?) and I have never heard them sound better. Imagine how this quite pleasant track would have sounded with a proper orchestra? Ian From rjskadl@yahoo.com Fri Jan 04 02:20:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 4 Jan 2002 10:20:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 24560 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2002 10:20:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2002 10:20:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.60) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2002 10:20:09 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.43] by n10.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2002 10:20:08 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 10:20:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fwd: FM Stereo vs. AM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 710 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl > > Kevin - This is great! > > I didn't need convincing - but this should convince many skeptics. > > Didn't like the music track though. I'd love to hear something with a > proper orchestra. Synthesisers have the uncanny ability to make all > sounds flow into each other sort of muddying the sound... Check out these examples in Real Audio. The first two are 20 kbps mono to demonstrate the difference between a good AM Tuner and a lousy one. The next Demo is comparison of Spanky & our Gang - Like to Get to Know You In FM Stereo and then AM Stereo. There are also some AM Stereo Links, although I think most people on this board probably know all about them already. Enjoy! -Rusty From rjskadl@yahoo.com Fri Jan 04 02:24:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 4 Jan 2002 10:24:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 29872 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2002 10:24:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2002 10:24:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.51) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2002 10:24:11 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.143] by n1.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2002 10:24:10 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 10:24:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fwd: FM Stereo vs. AM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 192 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl I am an Idiot! I cant believe thats twice now I have done that! Here is the Link to the page I was Talking about. http://funshow.tripod.com/am.html AM Stereo VS FM Stereo. Enjoy! -Rusty From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Jan 04 03:45:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 4 Jan 2002 11:45:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 15594 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2002 11:45:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2002 11:45:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO host.warwick.net) (204.255.24.254) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2002 11:45:03 -0000 Received: from chris (qelapsvc.florida.ul.warwick.net [208.228.96.20]) by host.warwick.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g04BivY402133 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 06:44:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000e01c19515$343624e0$0501a8c0@warwick.net> To: References: Subject: WQEW Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 06:44:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I am getting a steady pilot on 1560 WQEW this morning. Too much phase shifting now to tell if its real or not. Have to check after sun up. CC From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Jan 04 09:41:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 4 Jan 2002 17:40:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 17825 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2002 17:40:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2002 17:40:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO host.warwick.net) (204.255.24.254) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2002 17:40:56 -0000 Received: from chris (qelapsvc.florida.ul.warwick.net [208.228.96.20]) by host.warwick.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g04HerI142933; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 12:40:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000701c19546$ed071c00$0501a8c0@warwick.net> To: Cc: Subject: Broad daylight AM stereo scan Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 12:40:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 First of all WQEW is NOT in stereo. There is another 1560 triggering the pilot. 12 noon, EST Sony SRFSX100 digital walkman. 600 WICC great stereo 660 WFAN sports full stereo 800 WLAD full stereo, variety 850 WLAD Superb, FM quality stereo "good times, great oldies" 930 WPAT Spanish, full stereo 1210 WPHT Stereo talker 1280 (?) Ethnic, full stereo, possibly Korean unable to verify the NJ graveyard stations- Kevin? Status? Chris From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Jan 04 11:24:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 4 Jan 2002 19:24:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 53718 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2002 19:24:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2002 19:24:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2002 19:24:26 -0000 Received: from me (204-221-28-138.rev.sherbtel.net [204.221.28.138]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA16845 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:24:23 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <003401c19555$e5e47d00$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fwd: FM Stereo vs. AM Stereo Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:27:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Bet that's gonna rattle a few cages. These clowns talk about how nobody is going to put up with low fidelity radio (AM, in their myopic minds) and yet kids are doing it all the time listening online. If they don't have a DSL or cable internet connection, they won't have the best audio, but we know they listen. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics To: Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 11:37 PM Subject: {AMSF} Fwd: FM Stereo vs. AM Stereo > Here's what I just posted in the alt.radio.broadcasting newsgroup: > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jan 04 13:50:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 4 Jan 2002 21:50:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 23974 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2002 21:50:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2002 21:50:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.72) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2002 21:50:12 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.34] by n22.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2002 21:50:12 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 21:50:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WQEW Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000e01c19515$343624e0$0501a8c0@warwick.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 937 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.70.57 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I am getting a steady pilot on 1560 WQEW this morning. Too much > phase shifting now to tell if its real or not. Have to check after > sun up. I was listening for almost two hours last night (actually early this morning) and my radio was in Stereo mode the WHOLE time. I think they were definitely putting out a pilot tone. I didn't hear any *real* separation in the audio; during some of the phasey signal fade-outs I could swear I was hearing stereo, but whenever it cleared it, it was surely plain mono. However, today on their daytime pattern, there is no Stereo pilot to be found from WQEW. I will check again tonight after they switch to the night signal pattern. Remember, WQEW doesn't switch to night pattern until the sunset time at the station on 1560 kHz in Bakersfield, California, so their switch-over happens three hours later than the rest of the NYC stations; probably at 8:00 or 8:15 PM this month. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jan 04 13:59:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 4 Jan 2002 21:59:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 46027 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2002 21:59:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2002 21:59:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.80) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2002 21:59:56 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.47] by n30.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2002 21:59:56 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 21:59:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Broad daylight AM stereo scan Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000701c19546$ed071c00$0501a8c0@warwick.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1582 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.70.57 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > First of all WQEW is NOT in stereo. There is another 1560 triggering > the pilot. In this case it was rather odd because it lasted so long and didn't go away when WQEW's signal was strong... I think it was from their skywave signal coming in at a slight delay and mixing with the local groundwave signal. This causes fade-outs, phasing effects, and if the delay is exact enough, it can cause a low-frequency beat tone which mimics a Stereo pilot tone. But still, last night was the first time I heard WQEW remain consistently in Stereo mode for so long. I think it is possible they may have been putting out a real pilot tone. > 850 WLAD Superb, FM quality stereo "good times, great oldies" You mean WREF of course. WLAD is on 800 kHz. And yes, 850 WREF has the widest separation I have ever heard from an AM Stereo station. It is *better* than "FM quality"! > 1280 (?) Ethnic, full stereo, possibly Korean The only think I get on 1280 is WADO from New York, a Spanish news station broadcasting Kahn PowerSide with the audio in the right channel. There is, however, a Korean station on _1480_ kHz in NYC that is full Stereo. It is mostly talk, but sometimes they play music and it sounds fabulous! > unable to verify the NJ graveyard stations- Kevin? Status? Right away I can say that 1450 WCTC from New Brunswick, NJ is definitely full Stereo. Just yesterday I wrote up the whole list of all daytime stations I can receive here in Stereo using my Panasonic Japanese-import walkman with Terk AM Advantage loop antenna. I will post it here soon. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jan 04 14:58:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 4 Jan 2002 22:58:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 33898 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2002 22:58:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2002 22:58:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.56) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2002 22:58:17 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.143] by n6.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2002 22:58:17 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 22:58:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Happy 20th Anniversary, AM Stereo! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 935 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.70.57 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics My, how time flies... on March 4th of this year, AM Stereo will celebrate its 20th anniversary as a FCC-approved form of broadcasting in the USA! I have noticed that on every March 4th, in the "historical events on this day" segment, 1450 WCTC always mentions the FCC approval of AM Stereo.... anybody hear any other stations that do this? Also... last night/early this morning, infamous overnight talk show host Art Bell talked about Stereo (in general) for a little bit... during one of his intro bumper music segments where he remixed the song to purposely have odd-sounding "phasing" effects, he said something like this: "Do you realize how great this song sounds, in *stereo*? Boy, if you think this sounds good, you should hear it in stereo! I'm hearing it in stereo in my headphones, but on your radio it is probably mixed together into mono. But in stereo, this phasing effect sounds absolutely fantastic!" From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Jan 04 19:52:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 5 Jan 2002 03:52:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 52993 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2002 03:52:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2002 03:52:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11705.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.71) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2002 03:52:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20020105035232.79834.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.80.147.6] by web11705.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 19:52:32 PST Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 19:52:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Happy 20th Anniversary, AM Stereo! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio No chance of anyone but Art hearing it in stereo, becuase his satellite channel is mono. 73, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jan 04 20:44:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 5 Jan 2002 04:44:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 34558 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2002 04:44:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2002 04:44:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web13807.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.175.17) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2002 04:44:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20020105044401.9142.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.192.77.10] by web13807.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 20:44:01 PST Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:44:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: NJ daytime Stereo Scan To: Ian Davidson , Ben Lennard , amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Kevin Tekel X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics OK, here in central New Jersey USA, here are the stations I can hear during the daytime with Stereo signals: 540 WLUX (Islip, NY) : currently mono, but the engineer confirms that WLUX will "soon" return to AM Stereo broadcasting once the equipment is installed and adjusted. Nostalgia format ("Music Of Your Life"). 600 WICC (Bridgeport, CT) : "Today's WICC". Full-service format in AM Stereo, with a mix of Adult Contemporary and Oldies music, and a variety of news, sports, and talk programs. 660 WFAN (New York, NY) : "Sports Radio 66", in AM Stereo. Big big signal! 850 WREF (Ridgefield, CT) : "Oldies 850", in excellent AM Stereo. 900 WURD (Philadelphia, PA) : "Info 900". I have talked with the engineer of this station and although it is transmitting an AM Stereo signal, the STL link is unfortunately mono, with no plans to upgrade to Stereo. The format is mostly Infomercials, CNN Headline News, and sometimes Classic Rock music (!) when they have nothing better to do. 930 WPAT (Paterson, NJ) : "930 AM Estereo" Spanish music and various other ethnic programs in full AM Stereo. 940 WADV (Lebanon, PA): Christian music format in AM Stereo. 950 WPEN (Philadelphia, PA) : "Stereo 95 AM". Nostalgia/Light Oldies music in excellent AM Stereo. 1100 WGPA (Bethlehem, PA) : "Sunny 1100" Full service format with a wide variety of music (everything from today's hits to Polka music!). They usually trip my radio into Stereo mode but I haven't heard any separation from them. WGPA is a daytime-only station. 1210 WPHT (Philadelphia, PA) : "The Big Talker". Talk radio in AM Stereo, with music programs on the weekends in full Stereo. 1310 WEMG (Camden, NJ) : "La Mega" Contemporary Spanish music in full AM Stereo. 1450 WCTC (New Brunswick, NJ) : "News/Talk WCTC". Full service news/talk/variety format in excellent AM Stereo. One of the best AM Stereo stations I have ever heard! 1480 WZRC (New York, NY) : Korean language talk and music in full AM Stereo. 1530 WJDM (Elizabeth, NJ) : Spanish Christian religious format in AM Stereo. Broadcasts during daytime hours only. 1600 WWRL (New York, NY) : Not broadcasting in AM Stereo since August 2000, but they still claim they're working on getting it fixed. R&B/Urban Contemporary and Caribbean music format. And, for what it's worth, 610 WIP (Philadelphia, PA), 1280 WADO (New York, NY), 1300 WIMG (Ewing, NJ), and 1570 WISP (Doylestown, PA) are broadcasting in Kahn PowerSide. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From mmalm@btinet.net Fri Jan 04 20:47:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mmalm@btinet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 5 Jan 2002 04:47:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 25895 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2002 04:47:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2002 04:47:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.62) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2002 04:47:46 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.177] by n12.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2002 04:47:46 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 04:47:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Current GM with AM stereo Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 192 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "n0faz" X-Originating-IP: 12.15.122.30 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83590293 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0faz I just bought a 97 Yukon, and would like to find something to replace the current radio that has AM stereo. The unit has external CD player, and I would like to keep this capability. Mark From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Jan 04 23:20:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 5 Jan 2002 07:20:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 36484 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2002 07:20:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2002 07:20:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11706.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.72) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2002 07:20:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20020105072040.47588.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.80.145.217] by web11706.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 23:20:40 PST Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:20:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: NEFL daytime Stereo Scan To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20020105044401.9142.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Well, we've got, uh.... Yup. Not even a pilot. 73, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Jan 05 07:45:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 5 Jan 2002 15:45:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 7337 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2002 15:45:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2002 15:45:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2002 15:45:36 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.63]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 10:41:22 -0500 Message-ID: <004201c195ff$5733dba0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <20020105044401.9142.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} NJ daytime Stereo Scan Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 10:40:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I had to go to Fishkill this morning, and did a scan- nothin new , but I also tried a forced stereo( SRF42) and I "swear" I heard separation on WWRL. Kevin, Dom, somebody- give them a listen to see if they just have the pilot turned off... CC From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Jan 05 10:52:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 5 Jan 2002 18:52:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 16097 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2002 18:52:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2002 18:52:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2002 18:52:21 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-217.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.217]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA10369 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:52:18 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <002901c1961a$96806ec0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020105044401.9142.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} NJ daytime Stereo Scan Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:55:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Good grief- this is as absurd as just being mono. I wonder if he ever thought of using a composite STL. He could build his own stereo generator for the transmit side and demod for the receive side for just a few hundred $$ if he used some readily available kits; even less if he brewed his own with readily available chips. Only if his STL transmitter is operating near peak output would he have to worry about something expensive like a booster amp. Any idea what they have for audio processing? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Tekel > 900 WURD (Philadelphia, PA) : "Info 900". I have talked with the engineer > of this station and although it is transmitting an AM Stereo signal, the > STL link is unfortunately mono, with no plans to upgrade to Stereo. The > format is mostly Infomercials, CNN Headline News, and sometimes Classic > Rock music (!) when they have nothing better to do. From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sat Jan 05 13:20:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 5 Jan 2002 21:20:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 19788 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2002 21:20:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2002 21:20:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.147) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2002 21:20:52 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 13:20:52 -0800 Received: from 209.240.222.130 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 05 Jan 2002 21:20:52 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@nrcdxas.org Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} FL daytime Stereo Scan Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 21:20:52 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2002 21:20:52.0461 (UTC) FILETIME=[DAAE69D0:01C1962E] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.222.130] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Daytime am band scan: Just checked from here to see if anyone in the immediate St Petersburg/Tampa area had gone stereo and the answer is no. What I can get in stereo; just checked twice from two different locations is: 590 - C???; Cuba, appears to be from Havana or some point east; classical music; does not always trip into stereo and 1130- WWBR (aka WBR) Bartow, Fl about 60 miles east-northeast of here (1000 watts daytime power); still playing "oldies" in stereo; great separation; rivals fm-stereo. btw - for those dxing for distant stations prior to local sunset you might try 620 A.M. - WDAE (the sports animal - ClearChannel) or WFLA 970 AM - Tampa -ClearChannel - talk/news or WFLA 540 a.m. Pine Hill/Orlando (one of several ClearChannelWFLA's) Local sunrise - sunset hours for January are 7:30 am to 6 pm for the 620 & 970 and 7:15 - 5:45 for the Orlando WFLA; also 7:15 - 5:45 for the Miami area; 560 WQAM - Miami-sports, WIOD 610 A.M. (talk/news) , and WINZ 940 A.M. (Supertalk 940). All Florida stations( 5,000 watts or more) power down or go directional with nulls to the north after sunset; it's rare to pick up a Florida station outside of Florida at night. There are no 50,000 watts non directional at night from Florida. donn st petersburg,fl usa (where we tied a record low of 43 degrees this morning) but only 57 degrees now at 4pm) btw Scott; you will still enjoy your Florida orange juice; although some areas in north florida were in the upper teens; all citrus growing areas were warmer and no freeze damage to the oranges groves. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Jan 05 14:28:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 5 Jan 2002 22:27:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 98260 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2002 22:27:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2002 22:27:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2002 22:27:53 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.78]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:23:41 -0500 Message-ID: <001101c19637$8a047480$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: Cc: References: Subject: Sony SRF42 clip? Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:23:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I finally found the clip that someone needed- now, who was it?? -let me know! Chris From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jan 05 14:34:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 5 Jan 2002 22:34:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 56886 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2002 22:34:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2002 22:34:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.85) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2002 22:34:27 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.43] by n35.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2002 22:34:26 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 22:34:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: NJ daytime Stereo Scan Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002901c1961a$96806ec0$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1028 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.92.28 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Good grief- this is as absurd as just being mono. 900 WURD is owned by Mega Communications, a Spanish language broadcasting company. WURD is basically a "throwaway" station for them since most of their ratings in the Philly area comes from music station WEMG 1310 AM Stereo (formerly WSSJ). With the informercials/CNN news format on 900, I don't think there is any incentive for them to upgrade the STL to Stereo. > Any idea what they have for audio processing? I believe the transmitter is a solid state B.E., with built in stereo generator, and the audio processing is Orban Optimod 9200. I thought the 9200 was the mono-only model, but the engineer said that everything at WURD is set up for true Stereo except the STL. Also, the stereo pilot tone at WURD is linked to the day/night switch on the transmitter. At night when they drop down to 42 watts to "protect" CHML from Canada, the C-Quam pilot tone is shut off. The daytime signal (with Stereo pilot on) is 1000 watts and has very good coverage. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jan 05 14:37:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 5 Jan 2002 22:37:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 63051 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2002 22:37:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2002 22:37:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.62) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2002 22:37:23 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.116] by n12.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2002 22:37:23 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 22:37:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FL daytime Stereo Scan Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 112 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.92.28 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > 1130- WWBR (aka WBR) Bartow, Fl Actually that would be WWBF, alias "WBF" on the air. http://www.wwbf.com/ From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Jan 05 15:08:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 5 Jan 2002 23:08:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 74809 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2002 23:08:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2002 23:08:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2002 23:08:38 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.78]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:04:26 -0500 Message-ID: <003f01c1963d$3b955b60$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: NJ daytime Stereo Scan Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:03:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Hmmm..... wonder if we could buy time on this station? Fix it up with a stereo STL link, and have a kick-butt radically different radio program?? CC ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sat Jan 05 15:13:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 5 Jan 2002 23:13:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 90355 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2002 23:13:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2002 23:13:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.202) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2002 23:13:27 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:13:26 -0800 Received: from 209.240.222.130 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 05 Jan 2002 23:13:26 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FL daytime Stereo Scan Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 23:13:26 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2002 23:13:26.0965 (UTC) FILETIME=[94ADEE50:01C1963E] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.222.130] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Actually, of course you're right, Kevin; I made a mistake; Bartow does have a WBAR; strictly mono. Anyone who clicks on the link to their web-site; might want to look at their coverage map; at night they are a lower power and directional and virtually are receivable only in Bartow; most of the night coverage area is farm land and swamps. btw- if you email them, don't hold your breath for a response. ~~~~~~~~~ breaking news; just heard that a private plane deliberately crashed into a Tampa building; A coast guard helicopter was trying in vain to divert the plane; this has just happened with the last 45 minutes. The building is the "Bank of America" building; workers on the 43rd floor escaped; National Guard are now on the scene; if we had news radio here, I would listen; fortunately this happened just before the local 6pm news. donn st petersbug ----Original Message Follows---- From: "kevtronics" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: FL daytime Stereo Scan Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 22:37:19 -0000 > 1130- WWBR (aka WBR) Bartow, Fl Actually that would be WWBF, alias "WBF" on the air. http://www.wwbf.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From jeffdeck@aol.com Sat Jan 05 16:12:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 6 Jan 2002 00:12:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 9382 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2002 00:12:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2002 00:12:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2002 00:12:12 -0000 Received: from Jeffdeck@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.161.6afbe2e (15900); Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:12:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from web35.aolmail.aol.com (web35.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.11]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILINID93-0105191206; Sat, 05 Jan 2002 19:12:06 -0500 Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 19:12:05 EST Subject: Re: KCJJ at 10kW on 1/3/02? To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <161.6afbe2e.2968f056@aol.com> From: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4430287 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 >Anybody know if WMNI from Ohio runs religious stuff >at night? WMNI does not offer any religious programing until Sunday mornings. WMNI is 500 watts night directional, with live morning drive show, Cleveland Indians baseball, Sunday gardening show, and adult standards. >Something was very consistently causing 1020 KDKA >to "false" into Stereo. I thought it was KDKA itself KDKA is a semi-local in central Ohio, and broadcasts in thrilling AM monaural sound. >Finally, some religious station calling "WHK" on 1220 >kHz was putting out a Stereo signal. Salem exchanged a few Ohio station formats last year. Their sports outlet (WKNR) is now on 850kHz, a frequency which was formerly WRMR, monaural adult standards format. Salem also abandoned the religious format on WHLO recently, and now simulcasts FM station in Akron. Does anyone know where the Spanish speaking station is from on 1550kHz - they smothered WDLR in central Ohio a few mornings ago? Also, the adult standards station on 1660kHz? KCJJ definitely reduces transmitter power at night. 73, Jeff From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Jan 06 02:26:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 6 Jan 2002 10:26:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 88743 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2002 04:59:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2002 04:59:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2002 04:59:33 -0000 Received: from me (209-105-35-183.rev.sherbtel.net [209.105.35.183]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA18803 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 22:59:30 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <004f01c1966f$6aba1200$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <003f01c1963d$3b955b60$0101a8c0@pavilion> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: NJ daytime Stereo Scan Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 23:02:59 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Sounds good to me. You can get a decent stereo generator from Panaxis for less than $150. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher Cuff > Hmmm..... wonder if we could buy time on this station? Fix it up with a > stereo STL link, and have a kick-butt radically different radio program?? From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Jan 06 02:28:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 6 Jan 2002 10:28:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 4015 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2002 05:01:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2002 05:01:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2002 05:01:20 -0000 Received: from me (209-105-35-183.rev.sherbtel.net [209.105.35.183]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA18947 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 23:01:14 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <005501c1966f$a881ce20$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Current GM with AM stereo Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 23:04:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Wish I knew how big that radio was. My immediate impression is to see if a Cadillac radio would fit, and if so, get one from a salvage yard. Scott Todd N0BST ----- Original Message ----- From: n0faz > I just bought a 97 Yukon, and would like to find something to replace > the current radio that has AM stereo. The unit has external CD > player, and I would like to keep this capability. > From n1ea@c4.com Sun Jan 06 02:31:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: n1ea@c4.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 6 Jan 2002 10:31:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 58717 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2002 06:31:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2002 06:31:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailrelay1.chek.com) (208.197.227.116) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2002 06:31:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 32250 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2002 06:31:26 -0000 Received: from whiskas.chek.com (208.197.227.138) by mailrelay1.chek.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2002 06:31:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 13575 invoked by uid 99); 6 Jan 2002 06:18:45 -0000 Date: 6 Jan 2002 06:18:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20020106061845.13574.qmail@whiskas.chek.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re:{AMSF} Sony SRF42 clip? From: "David J Ring Jr" X-Originating-IP: [63.209.226.73] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public I sent you another email a week ago - and was looking for the reply - so I found it. You had offered me the clip. David J. Ring, Jr. P.O. Box 9 Green Harbor, MA 02041=0009 Now I can walk about in high style - and great AMS - I love listening to WPTR at night - great tunes. I WISH that WCRN Worcester would put on his AMS - he turned if off because his engineer told him he'd get a dB more without it. Grrrr! DR On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:23:01 -0500 Christopher Cuff wrote: >I finally found the clip that someone needed- now, who was it?? -let me >know! >Chris > > > >------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -------------------------------------------------- Totally Amazing Search Results - Just C4 Yourself! http://www.C4.com - Total Search Technology From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Jan 06 02:32:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 6 Jan 2002 10:32:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 18327 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2002 09:10:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2002 09:10:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r01.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.97) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2002 09:10:26 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.14f.6ccfd7a (4453) for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 04:10:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <14f.6ccfd7a.29696e80@aol.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 04:10:24 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ at 10kW on 1/3/02? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih KCJJ sounded like they were at their usual 1 kW nighttime power level in the wee hours of 1/4; I could still hear WTEL Augusta, GA mixing in. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://members.aol.com/n0uiheric/TurnOffClearChannel.html http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/turnoffclearchannel From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Jan 06 02:32:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 6 Jan 2002 10:32:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 654 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2002 09:10:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2002 09:10:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r01.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.97) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2002 09:10:27 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.a4.1f09544e (4453) for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 04:10:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 04:10:23 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fwd: [amstereo] AM 1560 WQEW New York "Radio Disney" in AM STEREO!!! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih The only other ABC-owned RD station I know about in AM Stereo is KMKI 620 Plano, TX (Dallas/Fort Worth market). Their sister station, WBAP 820, is also AM Stereo. The Stereo is left over from when they were KAAM. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://members.aol.com/n0uiheric/TurnOffClearChannel.html http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/turnoffclearchannel From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Jan 06 02:50:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 6 Jan 2002 10:50:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 88142 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2002 04:35:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2002 04:35:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2002 04:35:54 -0000 Received: from me (209-105-35-183.rev.sherbtel.net [209.105.35.183]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA16730 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 22:35:50 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001f01c1966c$1c6b1a20$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: NJ daytime Stereo Scan Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 22:39:19 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude All the 9200s I've ever seen advertised or in use are mono, unless they got wise and started making a stereo version to compete with the Omnia. I'm betting it would cost them $1,000 tops to make that STL composite stereo unless it needs a booster amp to jack up the power, then maybe $3,000. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics > I believe the transmitter is a solid state B.E., with built in stereo > generator, and the audio processing is Orban Optimod 9200. I thought > the 9200 was the mono-only model, but the engineer said that > everything at WURD is set up for true Stereo except the STL. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jan 06 02:55:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 6 Jan 2002 10:55:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 52892 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2002 04:40:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2002 04:40:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.53) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2002 04:40:07 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.148] by n3.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2002 04:40:07 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 04:40:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Grove City College in AM Stereo Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1672 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.92.28 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Looking back through my archives, I came across a print-out of a Usenet newsgroup message from way back in 1996, and at the end was this message: "BTW - add Grove City College to your AM Stereo list - as the world's first AM Stereo Carrier Current station!! amazing." Hopefully this is still the case... the station referred to in this message is "WGCC" on 530 kHz in Grove City, Pennsylvania. The college also broadcasts on FCC-licensed FM station 91.1 WSAJ. However, looking at the FCC database, there is also a licensed station WSAJ on 1340 AM in Grove City, PA, with 100 watts non-directional, "specifed hours" operation. I'll try to get in touch with the relevant folks at Grove City College to see what the deal is -- I doubt with the 100-watt licensed AM station they would keep the carrier-current station on the air, and in this case, the question is if WSAJ 1340 is broadcasting in AM Stereo or not! BTW, according to the "Radio Locator" site, 1340 WSAJ's coverage area includes Youngstown, Ohio, in case anybody here happens to be in the area.... Update: the FCC records indicate that 1340 WSAJ went off the air on 12/16/1997.... but then their license was renewed on 7/21/1998, so I assume they are on the air again.... Yes, this is the neat kind of the info you can find in the FCC database! Just go to: http://www.fcc.gov/mmb/asd/amq.html And then when you look up a station and get its general info on the screen, click on "Application List". You'll see all the records the FCC has about that station... grant of original license, license renewals, applications for changes, construction permits, station sales, etc.... From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jan 06 14:44:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 6 Jan 2002 22:44:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 74495 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2002 22:44:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2002 22:44:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.53) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2002 22:44:55 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.181] by n3.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2002 22:44:55 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 22:44:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Grove City College in AM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 754 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.169 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics More info about 530 "WGCC"... it is still on the air. It is the college's student-run station, and is the "alternative" to WSAJ AM and FM (WSAJ-FM plays mostly classical music; I don't know about WSAJ AM). The person who reported 530 WGCC being in AM Stereo was an employee of LPB, Inc., a company who manufacturers low-power transmitters and other broadcasting equipment mainly used at small non-licensed stations like WGCC. I don't think LPB actually makes any AM Stereo-equipped transmitters, but in the case of WGCC they may have been lucky enough to obtain a used AM Stereo exciter from a local ex-Stereo station. So, how about that.... anybody know of any other low-power college/high school/etc. stations broadcasting in AM Stereo? From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Jan 06 16:01:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 7 Jan 2002 00:01:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 97164 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2002 00:01:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2002 00:01:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2002 00:01:14 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.114.a677d88 (3990) for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:01:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <114.a677d88.296a3f46@aol.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:01:10 EST Subject: MO daytime Stereo Scan To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih 610 WDAF Kansas City, MO: Full-service Country format, "61 Country", Entercom station 630 KJSL St. Louis, MO: Christian talk format with some Contemporary Christian. Owned by Crawford. 690 KSTL East St. Louis, IL: Excellent Urban Gospel format; another Crawford station. 720 WGN Chicago, IL: News/talk; hard to read with mono KWRE Warrenton, MO blasting away on 730. (Bombard KWRE CE Steve Rotz with your letters!) 830 KOTC Kennett, MO: Classic Country, "Kotton Country"; sometimes lighting up the Stereo light, locally-owned 900 KFAL Fulton, MO: Full-service Country format, locally-owned 1050 WDZ Decatur, IL: ABC Urban AC format "Magic 1050", locally-owned 1340 KXEO Mexico, MO: Adult Contemporary format. Owned by the Shepard Group (they also own stations in Lebanon and Farmington, MO) 1490 WESL East St. Louis, IL: R&B Oldies format using mono carts purchased from Crap Channel's KATZ 1600. Locally-owned; station owner also owns Club 54 in St. Louis, MO 1630 KCJJ Iowa City, IA: Sometimes lights up the Stereo indicator 1660 KXTR Kansas City, KS: Not strong enough to light up the Stereo indicator. Certainly lights up the Stereo at night. WDID 1510 (formerly WCBW) Highland, IL never converted to broadcasting in AM Stereo. They're mono with Here's Help Network's Southern Gospel format. Also, nighttime-only AM Stereo station KXEN 1010 has replaced it's 1960s-vintage RCA Ampliphase transmitter with a newer Harris MW-50; the Harris is convertible to AM Stereo. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://members.aol.com/n0uiheric/TurnOffClearChannel.html http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/turnoffclearchannel From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Jan 06 16:01:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 7 Jan 2002 00:01:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 2795 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2002 00:01:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2002 00:01:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.34) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2002 00:01:13 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.69.201e8010 (3990) for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:01:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <69.201e8010.296a3f42@aol.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:01:06 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ at 10kW on 1/3/02? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih WHK is the official call sign on 1220 in Cleveland. The call was temporarily housed at 1000 kHz in a Cleveland suburb after being shuttled from it's longtime home on 1420. At this suburban St. Louis QTH, it occasionally pokes out of the mess. The Spanish speaker on 1550 may be ex-Stereo station WAZX Smyrna, GA (probably operating on 50 kW day pattern). The Stereo was switched off prior to a local Hispanic group's acquisition of the station from Hoffman Media (who had a Contemporary Christian format on as WYNX). 1660 with Adult Standards; that's KQWB West Fargo, ND ("Star 1660"). I don't think Salem has an FM station in Akron anymore; that station is now owned by Crap Channel. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://members.aol.com/n0uiheric/TurnOffClearChannel.html http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/turnoffclearchannel From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jan 06 17:54:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 7 Jan 2002 01:54:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 97323 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2002 01:54:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2002 01:54:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.75) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2002 01:54:34 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.112] by n25.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2002 01:52:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 01:52:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WRPQ Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 266 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.169 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics We need more stations like this: http://www.wrpq.com/radio/radpage.htm "WRPQ RADIO operates 24 hours a day at 740 khz on the AM radio dial in FULL AM STEREO. We were the first AM Stereo radio station in Wisconsin, beginning such transmissions in April, 1984." From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jan 06 18:01:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 7 Jan 2002 02:01:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 32837 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2002 02:01:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2002 02:01:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.53) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2002 02:01:20 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.161] by n3.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2002 02:01:19 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 02:01:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Another C.C. AM Stereo station Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 229 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.169 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Wonder of wonders... 920 WOKY in Milwaukee, WI is owned by "Clear Channel Broadcasting Licenses, Inc.", and yet they have just been confirmed by a local listener to be broadcasting a Nostalgia music format in full AM Stereo. From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Jan 06 19:12:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 7 Jan 2002 03:12:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 94734 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2002 03:12:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2002 03:12:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2002 03:12:07 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-54.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.54]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA25906 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:12:04 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000701c19729$94917ae0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Grove City College in AM Stereo Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:15:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude No, but I have it on good authority that a number of part 15 stations are interested in it if there's any way the Alfredo unit can be jacked up to 100mW. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics > So, how about that.... anybody know of any other low-power > college/high school/etc. stations broadcasting in AM Stereo? From mmalm@btinet.net Sun Jan 06 19:22:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mmalm@btinet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 7 Jan 2002 03:22:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 57442 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2002 03:22:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2002 03:22:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.65) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2002 03:22:21 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.45] by n15.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2002 03:21:51 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 03:22:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Current GM with AM stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005501c1966f$a881ce20$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 892 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "n0faz" X-Originating-IP: 12.15.122.124 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83590293 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0faz Scott, This is a pretty common GM radio. It has the blue flourscent blue display with the silkscreened "theftlock" letters. If need be I could take a picture and send it. Below the radio/cassete player is a optional CD player that has one button, "eject" on it. I like the setup and the sound, but would REALLY like AM stereo! I've seen lots of these radios for sale on eBay. Mark, N0FAZ --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Scott Todd" wrote: > Wish I knew how big that radio was. My immediate impression is to see if a > Cadillac radio would fit, and if so, get one from a salvage yard. > > Scott Todd > N0BST > ----- Original Message ----- > From: n0faz > > > I just bought a 97 Yukon, and would like to find something to replace > > the current radio that has AM stereo. The unit has external CD > > player, and I would like to keep this capability. > > From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Jan 06 19:25:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 7 Jan 2002 03:25:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 75977 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2002 03:25:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2002 03:25:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2002 03:25:42 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-54.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.54]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA27398 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:25:39 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <002d01c1972b$7a7ec200$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another C.C. AM Stereo station Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:29:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Methinks I see a pattern here. I remember you saying that CC doesn't necessarily have an anti-AMS policy as they have at least three (four if this is to be believed) AMS stations in their lineup. I surmise they will leave the AMS alone if the following conditions are met: 1. the station is making a decent income 2. the equipment is fairly new 3. the station is music formatted In the case of KFYR in Bismarck ND, the equipment was over 15 years old and showing its age. Even though it was profitable and they still play at least some music, they blew it on #2 and when they replaced the equipment, they only sprung for a mono STL. I'm sure similar stories could be told of the other pilots they've doused. I could be wrong about this- this is only an educated guess. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics > Wonder of wonders... 920 WOKY in Milwaukee, WI is owned by "Clear > Channel Broadcasting Licenses, Inc.", and yet they have just been > confirmed by a local listener to be broadcasting a Nostalgia music > format in full AM Stereo. From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Jan 06 19:30:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 7 Jan 2002 03:30:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 70262 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2002 03:30:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2002 03:30:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2002 03:30:33 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-54.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.54]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA27938 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:30:30 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <003b01c1972c$278d2040$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRPQ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:34:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Yep- I listen to them everytime I go to visit friends in Madison. It's a nice little operation and found out the station manager is a guy I knew almost 30 years ago when he was manager at WEVR in River Falls, WI. And is their signal clean. Of course being small town radio, when they break away from the bird the board-op-ing can sound interesting. :) ST ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics To: Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 7:52 PM Subject: {AMSF} WRPQ > We need more stations like this: > > http://www.wrpq.com/radio/radpage.htm > > "WRPQ RADIO operates 24 hours a day at 740 khz on the AM radio dial in > FULL AM STEREO. We were the first AM Stereo radio station in > Wisconsin, beginning such transmissions in April, 1984." > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From Bossmsx@aol.com Mon Jan 07 08:40:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 7 Jan 2002 16:40:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 21916 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2002 16:40:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2002 16:40:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2002 16:40:42 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.162.6baa8f3 (15890) for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:40:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from web39.aolmail.aol.com (web39.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.15]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILINID85-0107114031; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 11:40:31 -0500 Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 11:40:31 EST Subject: the Sansui tuner... To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <162.6baa8f3.296b2980@aol.com> From: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx As I sit here and eagerly wait for my Sansui AMS tuner to arrive in the mail, I must ask some questions: Does anyone know the particulars of the decoding system it used? (ie name of chip, etc?)...Someone suggested to me once that the Sansui may actually use Sony's multisystem decoder, but there is also ample proof from more than one person that this is absolutely not the case....I also wonder if perhaps the Sansui may use Sanyo's AMS decoder chip, the LA-1910. The first thing I intend on doing when I get the radio is opening it up and seeing for myself what is behind the Sansui's AMS decoding process. Anyone know what places on the board are worth looking at to determine this? Also, does anyone know where I can begin to find the service manual/schematics for the Sansui TU-S77 AMX? Thanks. Tony Simon/Miami From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jan 07 13:56:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 7 Jan 2002 21:56:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 43954 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2002 21:56:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2002 21:56:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.79) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2002 21:56:53 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.166] by n29.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2002 21:56:45 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 21:56:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: the Sansui tuner... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <162.6baa8f3.296b2980@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2710 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.23 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Does anyone know the particulars of the decoding system it used? As far as I have been able to determine, it was Sansui's own design, but that doesn't necessarily mean Sansui actually made the decoding chip(s). It did not use either of Sony's "multi-system" decoding circuits (the Sony-designed CX857 or the Leonard Kahn-designed CX20177). Apparently, the Sansui was originally designed only for the Harris system. They used a true synchronous detector, making it perhaps the only "multi-system" radio to have TRUE support for the Harris system. Later, they started adding on support for the other systems. At first, they just ran all the other formats (C-Quam, Magnavox, Kahn) through the synchronous detector (with added audio phase shift to restore proper separation for the Kahn system) so the results were not as good as they could be (lots of distortion in the audio) with the non-Harris systems. Eventually with the help of Kahn, they added better support for the Kahn system, with "distortion correction" in the L+R (envelope) component. This made it sound fairly good with Kahn even though it was still a Harris design at heart. I would assume at some point they hopefully added cosine compensation to the L-R component in order to get C-Quam sounding good, but if they did it was all their own work because Motorola did not want to cooperate with any radio manufacturers that were making multi-system receivers. I don't know if Sansui did anything to properly support the Magnavox system, but that is pretty much a moot point because even at the height of its popularity, only a handful of stations ever broadcast using the Magnavox system (in 1985 there were SIX Magnavox AM Stereo stations in the entire USA!). I assume all this work was done during the prototype stage, as 1010 CFRB in Canada obtained the first batch of Sansui multi-system car radios in 1983 for their own testing, and as a station that tested Magnavox and then settled with C-Quam I don't think they would want to be using radios that did not properly support either of these two systems. Note that with a multi-system radio like this, it will be more prone to "falsing" into Stereo mode on crowded channels, because any beat frequency in the range of 5, 15, 25, or 55 Hz will mimic a "pilot tone" of the four systems (Magnavox, Kahn, C-Quam, and Harris, respectively) and cause the radio to pop into Stereo mode. Unfortunately I don't think the Sansui gives any indication of which system it is supposedly receiving so you'll just have to guess... although if it pops into Kahn mode you should be able to tell by the phasing of the audio (especially on "PowerSide" stations). From dav259@minerals.csiro.au Mon Jan 07 15:31:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@minerals.csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 7 Jan 2002 23:31:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 10805 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2002 23:31:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2002 23:31:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2002 23:31:06 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA20891; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:30:59 +1100 (EST) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:30:58 +1100 (EST) To: iaaas list Cc: amstereoforum Subject: 4GR Toowoomba, Queensland Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24627097 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 I got a call today from John Eig - 4GR's engineer - who comfirmed what "the other Matt" said yesterday. The regular transmitter failed on Christmas Day probably due to the heatwave. They are presently on the mono standby but have ordered the parts from the US and should be back in stereo soon. He loves AM stereo and is proud of the signal that 4GR is normally putting out. Hey some engineers are A-OK! Ben and Kevin - re. the file I sent you last week please alter 4GR's format to "Adult Contemporary". From radiomatt1@yahoo.com Mon Jan 07 17:55:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: radiomatt1@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 8 Jan 2002 01:55:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 22430 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2002 01:55:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2002 01:55:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.53) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2002 01:55:21 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.163] by n3.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2002 01:55:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 01:55:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: the Sansui tuner... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <162.6baa8f3.296b2980@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3201 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "radiomatt1" X-Originating-IP: 24.98.50.68 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91397024 X-Yahoo-Profile: radiomatt1 --- In amstereoforum@y..., Bossmsx@a... wrote: > As I sit here and eagerly wait for my Sansui AMS tuner to arrive in the mail, I must ask some questions: > > Does anyone know the particulars of the decoding system it used? (ie name of chip, etc?)... Hi Simon, I might not be of much help to you, but hopefully what info I do have will fuel your anticipation of your S77AMX! I'm the proud owner of Sansui's TU-D99AMX, which (from what I've gathered) has the exact same features of your S77AMX. Since 1) I'm not an engineer and 2) I searched 5 years for this tuner and I don't want to risk breaking it, I've never opened it. An article in Rolling Stone (of all places) from sometime in early 1983, however, might shed some light on the mystery. They describe the future of Sansui's AM stereo radios, pointing to the multi-system decoder indeed being Sansui's own design and National Semiconductor ICs being the heart of it: "Sansui, meanwhile, claims to have the solution to the enitre [multi-system] mess -- a circuit that automatically receives AM stereo broadcasts in any of the four FCC-approved systems. Prototypes of the circuit have been demonstrated to the trade. Sansui will most likely license other companies to use the circuit. However, National Semiconductor, the company that will manufacture the integrated circuits needed to decode AM stereo broadcasts, says that such a plan is too expensive. A price estimate was not available from Sansui." You're gonna love this Tuner, Simon! Although I've only heard C- QUAM, the separation is excellent. (When WSM was in stereo and the skywave was strong, I cold close my eyes and see the Grand Ole Opry stage!) Kevin is correct -- the tuner falses 3-4 times more often than C-QUAM only radios during co-channel interference conditions. I never had the chance to hear Kahn ISB on the TU-D99AMX, but I did hear 1160 WJJD Chicago (now WYLL) when they used an old Kahn AMS encoder for POWERside. Since JJD sent out a stereo pilot, my Sansui would switch to Kahn stereo! In the left channel, you'd hear mostly bass, while in the right channel, you'd hear very bright audio. Bandwidth, although not as wide as a Carver TX11a, is far better than most tuners. (7.5khz??) It's a little bit better than an SRF-42. The tuner also seesms to have a 10khz whistle stop filter. Two disapponitments: The AM bandwidth selector doesn't actually change the IF bandwidth, but instead merely rolls off the high frequencies. Also, the tuner has a weak-signal audio mute circuit on both AM and FM. Switching to mono disables muting entirely on FM, but on AM, doing so merely lowers the signal threshhold for muting. Hooking up an antenna with stronger output levels will substantially help avoid muting. The FM section of Sansui's tuner also sounds excellent! S/N ratio for a decently strong FM signal is 84dB --- in Stereo! The only bad part is that even in narrow mode, alternate channel FM selectivity is only 60dB -- but what the unit lacks as a DXing unit it more than makes up as a Hi-Fi performer! Enjoy and if you have any other questions about the unit, let me know! Matt Bailey From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jan 07 21:00:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 8 Jan 2002 05:00:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 70978 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2002 05:00:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2002 05:00:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2002 05:00:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20020108050037.25217.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.162.18.173] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 21:00:37 PST Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:00:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sansui AMS To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" , Dennis AMstereo IAAAS List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Regarding the coveted Sansui multi-mode AMS tuner: I believe maybe it was the infamous National Semiconductor LM1981 AM Stereo chip which was made for Magnavox and a 5 Hz pilot tone, but the chip was convertable to C-quam and Harris? I built an encoder using an LM1981 on a RatShack protoboard, and it would decode WOWO in Fort Wayne, but if memory serves, the high-end frequency response was for crap - like maybe 5KHz? I had to use a big honking inductor with it too. Chris C: did you ever get to try this one out yet (LM1981)? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From Bossmsx@aol.com Tue Jan 08 04:40:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 8 Jan 2002 12:40:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 86990 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2002 12:40:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2002 12:40:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m09.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.164) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2002 12:40:52 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.64.18787066 (5709) for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 07:40:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from web39.aolmail.aol.com (web39.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.15]) by air-id04.mx.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILINID42-0108074044; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 07:40:44 -0500 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 07:40:44 EST Subject: Re: the Sansui tuner... To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <64.18787066.296c42cc@aol.com> From: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx Thanks Matt for posting part of the article from Rolling Stone...It was fascinating, and answered some key questions for me and probably for others on this list (namely, that National Semiconductor was the party responsible for making the decoding system). Now, a somewhat technical question: do all National Semiconductor chips carry the "LM" prefix? (ie "LM1981"?)..Are there any 'master lists' of chip numbers and what each chip does? This may come in handy when identifying components on the tuner.. Thanks. Tony Simon/Miami From rfinder@telusplanet.net Wed Jan 09 09:48:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rfinder@telusplanet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 9 Jan 2002 17:48:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 62794 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2002 17:48:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2002 17:48:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes04-hme0.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.237) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2002 17:48:07 -0000 Received: from telusplanet.net ([142.173.139.13]) by priv-edtnes04-hme0.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.01 201-253-122-122-101-20011014) with ESMTP id <20020109174806.FOFT2242.priv-edtnes04-hme0.telusplanet.net@telusplanet.net> for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:48:06 -0700 Message-ID: <32D53069.AA3F76B7@telusplanet.net> Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 10:52:41 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-CCK-MCD telus.net_v5.0.1HS (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: new member Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: rich X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public My name is richard, I ould like to join. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Wed Jan 09 09:48:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 9 Jan 2002 17:48:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 63060 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2002 17:48:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2002 17:48:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.74) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2002 17:48:15 -0000 Received: from [216.115.97.88] by n24.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2002 17:48:15 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 17:48:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM Stereo Exciter for Sale Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 233 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.158 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst Ran across this on eBay. A Motorola C-QuAM AM Stereo Exciter for $250. I think it's one of the first models they made. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1319754314 Says it has been checked out by an engineer. From rfinder@telusplanet.net Wed Jan 09 10:29:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rfinder@telusplanet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 9 Jan 2002 18:29:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 19843 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2002 18:29:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2002 18:29:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.85) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2002 18:29:47 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.39] by n35.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2002 18:29:46 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 18:29:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM Stereo Scan: Alberta, Canada Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1509 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "i2thesky2001" X-Originating-IP: 142.173.139.13 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Hi Folks. My name is Rich. The Only person in Canada, it seems concerned about AM STEREO. I owned a Sony walkman in the eighties. Loved it. Now I drive a 1998 Plymouth Voyeguer with a stock AM stereo, FM stereo cassette deck. The FM side burned out. So I Listen to one of the only five AM STEREO stations left in my region. Here was the Line Up In ALBERTA 1983- 1999 630 CHED Edmonton, Hot Hots 1983- 1993 660 CFFR Calgary, Contemporary, Oldies 1984-2000 770 CKRD Red Deer, Hot AC 1986-200 770 CHQR Calgary, AC, Talk 1983-present 790 CFCW Camrose, Country 1984-2001 860 CJXX Grande Prarie, Country 1988-present 880 CHQT Edmonton AC 1984-present 910 CKDQ Drumheller Country 1984-1992 930 CJCA Edmonton Talk, Sports, AC 1984-1999 960 CFAC Calgary Country 1984-1991 1050 CFGP Grande Prarie, Hot AC 1984-1990 1060 CJAM (Now CKMX) Calgary AC 1990-Present 1090 CHEC Lethbridge Hot Hits, AC 1984-1996 1140 CKXL, CISS, CFXX, CFXL Hots Hits, Oldies, Classic Rock, AC Calgary, AM stereo 1983-1996 (Now CHRB, High River) 1170 CKGY Red Deer, Country 1989-2001 1200 CHMG St. Albert Oldies 1989-1992 1220 CJOC Lethbridge, Country 1989-2001 1260 CFRN Edmonton, Oldies 1987-present 1570 CFEZ Taber Easy Listening 1988-1991 and now.... CHQR, CHQT, CFRN, CJXX and the Wonderful 1060 CKMX Calgary are the only ones left standing after AM/FM Inc came over the province with a big sickle and destroyed stereo for almost good. Thanks to those cable conglomerates taking over the privates. Out Go The lights!!! From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Jan 09 10:38:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 9 Jan 2002 18:38:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 80620 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2002 18:38:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2002 18:38:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2002 18:38:06 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.167.6e19bda (1332) for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:37:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <167.6e19bda.296de806@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:37:58 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} new member To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Welcome Richard .....hope you enjoy the list and the company Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.qsl.net/kc4qlp voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP US sub 50 From: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NOTHING....... Closest AMS station with music: WWBF/1130 in Bartow, Fla, four hours from here. =( Tony Simon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Bossmsx@aol.com Wed Jan 09 11:49:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 9 Jan 2002 19:48:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 26333 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2002 19:48:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2002 19:48:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r05.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.101) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2002 19:48:58 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.7d.205f9e2a (3956) for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:48:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7d.205f9e2a.296df8a1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:48:49 EST Subject: Sansui: mystery soon to be solved? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP US sub 50 From: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just finished ordering the Service Manual for the Sansui TU-S77AMX...Assuming it arrives, we may soon have the mystery solved as to 'what chip does what'. Tony Simon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Bossmsx@aol.com Wed Jan 09 11:52:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 9 Jan 2002 19:52:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 32448 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2002 19:52:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2002 19:52:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.7) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2002 19:52:05 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.196.d87b3f (3956) for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:51:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <196.d87b3f.296df95b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:51:55 EST Subject: Re: AM Stereo Scan: Alberta, Canada To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP US sub 50 From: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Only five" left in Alberta?? Sadly, in today's terms, that's a goldmine. Tony Simon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rfinder@telusplanet.net Wed Jan 09 16:08:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rfinder@telusplanet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 10 Jan 2002 00:07:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 78359 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2002 00:07:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2002 00:07:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.59) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2002 00:07:58 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.128] by n9.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2002 00:07:58 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 00:07:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo Scan: Alberta, Canada Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <196.d87b3f.296df95b@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1090 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "i2thesky2001" X-Originating-IP: 142.173.139.13 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public --- In amstereoforum@y..., Bossmsx@a... wrote: > "Only five" left in Alberta?? Sadly, in today's terms, that's a goldmine. > > Tony Simon > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] I'd gladly forward you the names and contact info for the engineering departments for the recently contracted mono stations. Namely 66 CFR, Calgary which went mono about the time when cable giant Rogers Media Inc. bought the station along with 2 FM's and another Am in the City, sept 2000. Rawlco Communications, Former owner of 66 CFR took great pride in the station's AM stereo broadcasts and the separation was great. 50,000 watt 66 CFR could be heard clear accross the praries even 500 miles away during the day time as the tower sight had a 6 tower array (five augmentations). Quite the sight. 630 CHED, Edmonton was no slouch either. Could be heard loud and clear as Far as the Montanna Border, during daytime. The Mighty CHED had beautiful AM stereo sound during it's HOT HITs heydays of the 80's. Those were the days. By the way. I HATE the sound of FM stereo. From rfinder@telusplanet.net Wed Jan 09 16:08:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rfinder@telusplanet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 10 Jan 2002 00:08:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 26903 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2002 00:08:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2002 00:08:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.79) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2002 00:08:23 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.155] by n29.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2002 00:08:20 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 00:08:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo Scan: Alberta, Canada Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <196.d87b3f.296df95b@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 202 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "i2thesky2001" X-Originating-IP: 142.173.139.13 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public --- In amstereoforum@y..., Bossmsx@a... wrote: > "Only five" left in Alberta?? Sadly, in today's terms, that's a goldmine. > > Tony Simon > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Jan 09 16:10:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 10 Jan 2002 00:09:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 82554 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2002 00:09:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2002 00:09:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2002 00:09:59 -0000 Received: from me (209-105-35-34.rev.sherbtel.net [209.105.35.34]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA23937 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:09:56 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <005d01c1996b$a722a320$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <64.18787066.296c42cc@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: the Sansui tuner... Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:13:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude No, but the majority of them do. I think you can get the specs on their chips at the NS website, at least the chips still in production. Don't recall the url offhand, but most search engines could find it for you. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: > Now, a somewhat technical question: do all National Semiconductor chips carry the "LM" prefix? (ie "LM1981"?)..Are there any 'master lists' of chip numbers and what each chip does? This may come in handy when identifying components on the tuner.. From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Jan 09 16:40:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 10 Jan 2002 00:40:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 57538 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2002 00:40:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2002 00:40:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2002 00:40:15 -0000 Received: from me (209-105-35-34.rev.sherbtel.net [209.105.35.34]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA29654 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:40:12 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00e201c1996f$e1c099c0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <167.6e19bda.296de806@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} new member Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:43:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude And don't be a lurker. We'd love your input. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: > Welcome Richard .....hope you enjoy the list and the company > From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Jan 09 17:04:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 10 Jan 2002 01:04:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 92591 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2002 01:04:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2002 01:04:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2002 01:04:30 -0000 Received: from me (209-105-35-34.rev.sherbtel.net [209.105.35.34]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA04240 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 19:04:28 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <013d01c19973$45587b80$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Current GM with AM stereo Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 19:08:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Your best bets would be ebay and salvage yards. I think there may be one exception, a Cadillac radio, but all others with the theftlock feature do not have AMS. Your best bet is to contact Chris Cuff ccuff@in4web.com and he can give you more details as to what to look for. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: n0faz > Scott, This is a pretty common GM radio. It has the blue flourscent > blue display with the silkscreened "theftlock" letters. If need be I > could take a picture and send it. Below the radio/cassete player is > a optional CD player that has one button, "eject" on it. I like the > setup and the sound, but would REALLY like AM stereo! I've seen lots > of these radios for sale on eBay. > > Mark, N0FAZ From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Jan 09 17:59:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 10 Jan 2002 01:59:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 68778 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2002 01:59:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2002 01:59:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2002 01:59:53 -0000 Received: from me (209-105-35-34.rev.sherbtel.net [209.105.35.34]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA16362 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 19:59:50 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <018601c1997b$01c688a0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Scan: Alberta, Canada Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 20:03:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude PLEASE DO!!!! I make it a habit of trying to contact stations that have ceased using their AMS gear in hopes of someday obtaining some of it. Either post here or email direct. Your beef with FMS probably has as much to do with the types of audio processing normally used. If they didn't overprocess the high end so much, it would be less fatiguing to listen to. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: i2thesky2001 > I'd gladly forward you the names and contact info for the engineering > departments for the recently contracted mono stations. >By the way. I HATE the sound of FM stereo. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jan 09 18:05:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 10 Jan 2002 02:05:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 71828 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2002 02:01:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2002 02:01:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.61) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2002 02:01:35 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.24] by n11.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2002 02:01:34 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 02:01:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Stereomaster Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 381 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.133 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics "Pioneer SM-B201 Stereomaster receiver, produced for a short-lived test of AM stereo in the early 1960s." http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1058554215 There's also a Sony WM-F8 "FM/AM Stereo" Walkman on eBay... unfortunately no picture is included... I know the WM-F16 was equipped with AM Stereo, but does anyone know if the WM-F8 also has AM Stereo? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jan 09 18:08:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 10 Jan 2002 02:08:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 51325 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2002 02:08:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2002 02:08:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.54) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2002 02:08:08 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.170] by n4.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2002 02:08:08 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 02:08:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Kahn AM Stereo tuner on eBay Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 574 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.133 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics If anyone is interested, David Coons is selling his Kahn AM Stereo tuner on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1319104139 This is basically an analog-tuning AM Mono/FM Stereo tuner that Leonard Kahn added his own ISB AM Stereo decoder to. The Kahn company produced and distributed a bunch of these in the early 1980s for demostration purposes. Quite obviously, it does not have official support for C-Quam AM Stereo, although with a separate dematrixing circuit you could get it to produce proper Stereo separation on C-Quam stations. From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Jan 10 01:18:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 10 Jan 2002 09:18:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 47761 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2002 09:18:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2002 09:18:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2002 09:18:14 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.37]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 04:14:19 -0500 Message-ID: <003101c199b7$0ac91620$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereomaster Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 04:13:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 No, the WM-F8 does not have am stereo. Japan was much later than the USA to begin broadcasting am stereo (1993). The only units they made with am stereo prior to this that did have it were for export- the "A" and the "A100". The 1993 intro of the SRF42 was the beginning of a HUGE number of units produced in preparation for the predicted sales to worldwide markets, which never happened. Curiously, The SRF42 was never sold in Japan. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Jan 10 01:24:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 10 Jan 2002 09:24:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 33791 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2002 09:24:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2002 09:24:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2002 09:24:17 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.37]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 04:20:25 -0500 Message-ID: <003f01c199b7$e5041740$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <013d01c19973$45587b80$d3a9fea9@me> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Current GM with AM stereo Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 04:19:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Except for the Cadillac DeVille, the last GM vehicles equipped with AM Stereo were the 1997 Chevy Blazer/GMC Jimmy. No other car had am stereo. In passenger cars, the last one that I know of was the Pontiac Grand-Am, (this radio has NO am-st switch, but does have the ams enabled, and is an awsome performer)-which lost ams in 1994. The Blazer radio is , of course, a Cadillac DeVille radio. A carryover unit, with the AM-ST switch. A great area to search is www.salvageyards.com type in the info about a car and they tell you what was available for radios. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 8:08 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Current GM with AM stereo From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Jan 10 06:06:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 10 Jan 2002 14:06:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 66302 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2002 14:06:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2002 14:06:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14202.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.144) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2002 14:06:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20020110140652.13223.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 06:06:52 PST Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 06:06:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: AM Stereo for FREE !!!! To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" , Dennis AMstereo IAAAS List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Three Cheers for the Broadcast Electronics Corporation! I have verified that all BROADCAST ELECTRONICS AM transmitters: 500W, 1KW, 2.5KW, 5KW, 6KW and 10KW transmitters INCLUDE FREE AM Stereo generation in the transmitter !!! So why the heck wouldn't somebody want to switch it on when it's free? Particularliy the stations that run FM/AM simulcasts already have a stereo audio program available. Let's give a big 'thank you' and congratualtions to Brodacast Electronics Coroporation for being a supporter of AM Stereo! Broadcast Electronics Corp also sell a stand-alone C-Quam unit as well. So, in the US, AM Stereo transmitters are available from Nautel, Broadcast Electronics and Harris (but Harris unfortunately isn't promoting AMS at all) while BE gives it for free, and Nautel charges you for it. It's still here folks. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From rfinder@telusplanet.net Thu Jan 10 09:31:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rfinder@telusplanet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 10 Jan 2002 17:31:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 12168 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2002 17:31:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2002 17:31:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.64) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2002 17:31:19 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.24] by n14.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2002 17:32:56 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:31:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Scan: Alberta, Canada Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <018601c1997b$01c688a0$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1320 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "i2thesky2001" X-Originating-IP: 142.173.139.13 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Scott Todd" wrote: > PLEASE DO!!!! I make it a habit of trying to contact stations that have > ceased using their AMS gear in hopes of someday obtaining some of it. > Either post here or email direct. > > Your beef with FMS probably has as much to do with the types of audio > processing normally used. If they didn't overprocess the high end so much, > it would be less fatiguing to listen to. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: i2thesky2001 > > > I'd gladly forward you the names and contact info for the engineering > > departments for the recently contracted mono stations. > > >By the way. I HATE the sound of FM stereo. OK. For CFCW 790 Am Camrose-Edmonton. go to www.cfcw.fm click on "contact us" You will find email addresses for the general manager. He could likely forward you to the engineer or technical dept. Also try CKGY-FM Red Deer, Alberta. They changed over to Fm just last year from AM stereo 1170 KHZ. go to http://www.ckgy.com/kglisten.html go to contact us. Ask for Cliff Wheeler, engineer. Another recent mono down conversion, CFFR 660 Am has no website. Thier mailing address is: CFFR Radio; Engineering Department 2723 37 ave. N.E. Calgary, Alberta, Canada T1Y 5R8 General Enquiries 403 291 0000 From rfinder@telusplanet.net Thu Jan 10 09:35:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rfinder@telusplanet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 10 Jan 2002 17:35:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 26496 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2002 17:35:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2002 17:35:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.59) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2002 17:35:27 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.50] by n9.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2002 17:35:27 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:35:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: regarding CFCW's website Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 35 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "i2thesky2001" X-Originating-IP: 142.173.139.13 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public OOOppps.sorry thats www.cfcw.com From mmalm@btinet.net Thu Jan 10 15:11:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mmalm@btinet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 10 Jan 2002 23:11:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 34525 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2002 23:11:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2002 23:11:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.73) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2002 23:11:19 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.170] by n23.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2002 23:11:18 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:11:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Current GM with AM stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003f01c199b7$e5041740$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1041 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "n0faz" X-Originating-IP: 24.220.28.132 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83590293 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0faz Chris, Sounds like I should be checking out the local savage yard for a 1997 blazer/jimmy. My Yukon is also a 1997 model. I wonder if the chassis and connectors are compatable? Thanks for the info. Mark --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Christopher Cuff" wrote: > Except for the Cadillac DeVille, the last GM vehicles equipped with AM > Stereo were the 1997 Chevy Blazer/GMC Jimmy. No other car had am stereo. In > passenger cars, the last one that I know of was the Pontiac Grand- Am, (this > radio has NO am-st switch, but does have the ams enabled, and is an awsome > performer)-which lost ams in 1994. The Blazer radio is , of course, a > Cadillac DeVille radio. A carryover unit, with the AM-ST switch. > A great area to search is www.salvageyards.com type in the info about a car > and they tell you what was available for radios. > CC > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Scott Todd > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 8:08 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Current GM with AM stereo From watan-ko@rtri.or.jp Thu Jan 10 22:46:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: watan-ko@rtri.or.jp X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 11 Jan 2002 06:46:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 41873 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2002 06:46:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2002 06:46:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.61) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2002 06:46:44 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.111] by n11.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2002 06:46:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 06:46:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereomaster Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003101c199b7$0ac91620$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 464 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "irukero" X-Originating-IP: 210.254.18.69 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67746350 X-Yahoo-Profile: irukero Sorry, I would like to add some information about Chris's e-mail. Japan started AM stereo broadcasting in April 1, 1992. They are: TBS, Nippon, Bunka, CBC, Radio Tokai, ABC, MBS, OBC. Later, RKB etc. joined this group, thus finally 16 companies are now broadcasting in AMS. --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Christopher Cuff" wrote: > No, the WM-F8 does not have am stereo. Japan was much later than the USA to begin broadcasting am stereo (1993). From Bossmsx@aol.com Fri Jan 11 01:30:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 11 Jan 2002 09:30:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 27681 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2002 09:30:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2002 09:30:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2002 09:30:00 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.118.ac2791e (15889) for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 04:29:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from web43.aolmail.aol.com (web43.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.4]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILINID84-0111042953; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 04:29:53 -0500 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 04:29:53 EST Subject: Re: AM Stereo Scan: Alberta, Canada To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <118.ac2791e.29700a91@aol.com> From: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx At any rate, you should still consider yourself lucky for having FIVE existing AM Stereo stations in Alberta...The sad reality is, most towns in the US have one, two, and at the most, three....An exception might be the New York City area, or possibly LA, but by and large, the choices for AM Stereo listening in a given town in the US are few...Then there are the areas, like mine, which are devoid completely of AM Stereo!! Tony Simon/Miami From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jan 11 13:08:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 11 Jan 2002 21:08:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 28070 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2002 21:08:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2002 21:08:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.74) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2002 21:08:53 -0000 Received: from [216.115.97.87] by n24.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2002 21:08:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:05:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Motorola C-Quam exciter on eBay for $250 Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 431 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.92.1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics This looks like it could use a good home, especially at that price (and the "Buy It Now" price is now $350, down from $500): http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1319754314 It is claimed to have been checked out by a engineer. It has a crystal for 910 kHz, but of course that can be changed. However I think the "10 watts" output is a bit optimistic; it's probably more like 100 milliwatts (0.1 watt). From 1377.3mp@start.com.au Fri Jan 11 13:40:31 2002 Return-Path: <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Sender: 1377.3mp@start.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 11 Jan 2002 21:40:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 35552 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2002 21:40:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2002 21:40:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.54) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2002 21:40:28 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.142] by n4.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2002 21:40:28 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:40:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: TERK AM1000 LOOP ANTENNA - DEAD ON ARRIVAL - ALMOST Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 666 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Originating-IP: 213.121.66.123 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69495942 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan I don't get this. I thought these loops were practically indestructible. After a 5 week wait it arrived here in the UK last Friday (why does no one sell them here ?!) Working very well then come Thursday night switch on my old Yaesu receiver and nowt. No recePtion either inductivly with the Sony SRF- 42. Dead. I would expect I guess for the loops to be broken during shipping and so DOA but suddenly 1 week later ? Weird I must say. I can't think what could suddenly go as there's only copper wire for the loop and a small tuning cap. It does'nt seem that easy to get to this if not impossible. Any ideas would be welcome! Dave M1CTK@GB7WSX.#32.GBR.EU From KC4QLP@aol.com Fri Jan 11 15:31:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 11 Jan 2002 23:31:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 2816 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2002 23:31:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2002 23:31:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r08.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.104) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2002 23:31:13 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.68.19ab6a6b (25306) for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:31:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <68.19ab6a6b.2970cfb7@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:31:03 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Motorola C-Quam exciter on eBay for $250 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 1/11/02 4:13:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, kevtronics@yahoo.com writes: << This looks like it could use a good home, especially at that price (and the "Buy It Now" price is now $350, down from $500): http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1319754314 It is claimed to have been checked out by a engineer. It has a crystal for 910 kHz, but of course that can be changed. However I think the "10 watts" output is a bit optimistic; it's probably more like 100 milliwatts (0.1 watt). >> No those exciters do usually run around the 10 watt range.The exciters do have to help provide enough RF drive to make decent "radio" Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.qsl.net/kc4qlp voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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There could be a broken wire to a connector that may have been over looked.Also the tuning cap may have given up the ghost. BTW...what kind of receiver do you have that was made by Yaesu? Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.qsl.net/kc4qlp voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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I've emailed Terk to see if they can send a replacement, must be cheaper than shipping it back! I think I've heard of these small caps dieing before so just bad luck I guess... The Yaesu is an old FRG 7700 but I like it with the 3 pos AM b/w selector for AM 2.3/4.6/12khz plus FM of course --- In amstereoforum@y..., KC4QLP@a... wrote: > Check all of your connectors on the loop with a "fine tooth comb". There > could be a broken wire to a connector that may have been over looked.Also the > tuning cap may have given up the ghost. > BTW...what kind of receiver do you have that was made by Yaesu? > > Bob Carter > Operations/Engineering > > WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 > Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio > Network > > Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering > services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. > e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@y... > http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice > Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC > WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC > WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC > > AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- > amstereoradio- subcribe@t... > amstereo-subcribe@t... > > KC4QLP Amateur Radio > www.qsl.net/kc4qlp > > voice contact-252-335-0856 > fax 1-209-254-8978 > _______________________________________________________ > > WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter > 5, Subchapter II, > "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a > download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of > these terms." > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > > ------------------- From 1377.3mp@start.com.au Fri Jan 11 17:42:05 2002 Return-Path: <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Sender: 1377.3mp@start.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 12 Jan 2002 01:42:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 19710 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2002 01:42:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2002 01:42:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.81) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2002 01:42:03 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.146] by n31.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2002 01:42:03 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 01:42:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} TERK AM1000 LOOP ANTENNA - DEAD ON ARRIVAL - ALMOST Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2477 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Originating-IP: 213.121.69.220 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69495942 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@y..., "amstereofan" <1377.3mp@s...> wrote: > Hi > > Thanks for reply .. well I've got the tuning knob off etc and the two > copper wires going to the tuning cap are still soldered so must have > died as you say. I've emailed Terk to see if they can send a > replacement, must be cheaper than shipping it back! Not that I can do this now really ;-) > > I think I've heard of these small caps dieing before so just bad luck > I guess... > > The Yaesu is an old FRG 7700 but I like it with the 3 pos AM b/w > selector for AM 2.3/4.6/12khz plus FM of course > > --- In amstereoforum@y..., KC4QLP@a... wrote: > > Check all of your connectors on the loop with a "fine tooth comb". > There > > could be a broken wire to a connector that may have been over > looked.Also the > > tuning cap may have given up the ghost. > > BTW...what kind of receiver do you have that was made by Yaesu? > > > > Bob Carter > > Operations/Engineering > > > > WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK > 99.3 > > Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications > Radio > > Network > > > > Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with > engineering > > services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. > > e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@y... > > http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice > > Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC > > WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC > > WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC > > > > AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- > > amstereoradio- > subcribe@t... > > amstereo-subcribe@t... > > > > > KC4QLP Amateur Radio > > www.qsl.net/kc4qlp > > > > voice contact-252-335-0856 > > fax 1-209-254-8978 > > _______________________________________________________ > > > > WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title > 47, Chapter > > 5, Subchapter II, > > "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is > subject to a > > download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes > acceptance of > > these terms." > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ -- > ---------- > > > > ------------------- From Bossmsx@aol.com Sat Jan 12 09:13:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 12 Jan 2002 17:13:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 65980 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2002 17:13:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2002 17:13:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.33) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2002 17:13:13 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.118.ad0cabd (25714); Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:13:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <118.ad0cabd.2971c89e@aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:13:02 EST Subject: In search of "The Chip" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@nrcdxas.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP US sub 50 From: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just got the Sansui TU-S77 AMX service manual today in the mail....And, things appear to be a bit more difficult than normal in finding out what chip exactly is behind the decoding.... The Service Manual for the Sony SRF-A1 tells you straight out that the CX857 is the chip responsible for decoding...This one makes it more difficult...Or maybe, it's just my lack of technical training that is making a rather obvious answer appear hidden. The Synchronous Detector is listed as "eIC 101" in the schematic for the AM Stereo Section...Looking up "eIC 101" in the back shows the name for it to be "NJM1496D". The Phase Detector is listed as "eIC 102", and looking it up in the back, "eIC 102" is also "NJM1496D". NJM1496 is described in one of the pages as a "Double Balanced Mixen IC", whatever that is. There's an "AM Stereo Circuit Board"..The ICs listed for it are NJM1496D, M5218L, L78N05, and TC4016BP... Theres a separate "AM Stereo Method Detection Circuit Board", which I assume is what tells the radio whether to switch to C-QUAM, Harris, Kahn, etc...The IC listed for it M5218L. I'm inclined to believe, what with my very very limited technical knowledge, that "the chip" is the NJM1496....Or maybe it's the combination of all the above mentioned ICs...Any ideas, folks? Tony Simon/Miami. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jeffdeck@aol.com Sat Jan 12 14:09:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 12 Jan 2002 22:09:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 53843 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2002 22:09:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2002 22:09:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.68) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2002 22:09:16 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.144] by n18.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2002 22:09:27 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:09:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: In search of "The Chip" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <118.ad0cabd.2971c89e@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2399 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jeffdeck2001" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.198.173 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4430287 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 From your description, it sounds as though Sansui constructed their AM stereo decoder in discrete from common IC chips. In this design, you will not find one chip, like the MC13028, that drives all decoding functions. Your NJM1496 is a balanced modulator/demodulator comparable to the LM1496, MC1496, et cetera. LM1496 is 30 years old, and is still available. Your M5218L is a Mitsubishi SIP8 dual audio amplifier (Radio Shack catalog number RSU10882462). This probably is used to dematrix the signals for left and right outputs. And L78N05 is a five volt 100mA voltage regulator. Toshiba's TC4016BP (Radio Shack catalog number RSU10896421) is still available, and is Dual Four-stage Static Shift Register. I would guess that this chip selects the different decoding functions. This Sansui design may be useful to us when the existing C-QuAM decoder inventories are depleted. Did you receive your tuner? I never auditioned this one before. 73, Jeff In a message dated 1/12/2002 12:13:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, you write: >Just got the Sansui TU-S77 AMX service manual today in the >mail....And, things appear to be a bit more difficult than normal in >finding out what chip exactly is behind the decoding.... >The Service Manual for the Sony SRF-A1 tells you straight out that >the CX857 is the chip responsible for decoding...This one makes it >more difficult...Or maybe, it's just my lack of technical training >that is making a rather obvious answer appear hidden. >The Synchronous Detector is listed as "eIC 101" in the schematic for >the AM Stereo Section...Looking up "eIC 101" in the back shows the >name for it to be "NJM1496D". >The Phase Detector is listed as "eIC 102", and looking it up in the >back, "eIC 102" is also "NJM1496D". >NJM1496 is described in one of the pages as a "Double Balanced Mixen >IC", whatever that is. >There's an "AM Stereo Circuit Board"..The ICs listed for it are >NJM1496D, M5218L, L78N05, and TC4016BP... >Theres a separate "AM Stereo Method Detection Circuit Board", which >I assume is what tells the radio whether to switch to C-QUAM, >Harris, Kahn, etc...The IC listed for it M5218L. >I'm inclined to believe, what with my very very limited technical >knowledge, that "the chip" is the NJM1496....Or maybe it's the >combination of all the above mentioned ICs...Any ideas, folks? > >Tony Simon/Miami. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Jan 12 14:38:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 12 Jan 2002 22:38:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 99517 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2002 22:38:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2002 22:38:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14203.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.145) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2002 22:38:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20020112223805.2805.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.162.18.173] by web14203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:38:05 PST Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:38:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: exciter excitement To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Anybody got an extra $250.00? I'd like to be able to 'drop it off' at WFRO Fremont, OH with a 900KHz crystal! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Jan 13 01:22:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 13 Jan 2002 09:22:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 57691 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2002 09:22:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2002 09:22:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2002 09:22:06 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.50]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 04:17:42 -0500 Message-ID: <002401c19c13$15b85c40$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: Subject: ways around an STL Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 04:17:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 This post got no response from the "Dennis" list, and I forgot that you can't "cc" a copy to this list, so here is my thought: It would seem to me that instead of a satellite feed and a stereo stl link to a transmitter, WHY can't a station use a computer based music system right at the transmitter site, with a 1200 or so song playlist on it's hard drive? This could be controlled with one line from the studio, and eliminate the money spent for the satellite feed as well. I know that these programs exist, and are not expensive. Ideas, anyone? Chris From jeffdeck@aol.com Sun Jan 13 01:56:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 13 Jan 2002 09:56:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 35692 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2002 09:56:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2002 09:56:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.52) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2002 09:56:26 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.163] by n2.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2002 09:56:26 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 09:56:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: ways around an STL Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002401c19c13$15b85c40$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1358 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jeffdeck2001" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.199.51 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4430287 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 This sounds like a fine idea to me. Run programming from the bird at the transmitter site, and/or computer hard drive, with local programming from the studio (where the studio is collocated with the transmitter). This would save money for leased telco lines or other STL, and there would be less equipment to maintain. There are stations configured this way, such as KCJJ in Iowa City. Satellite feeds are dirt cheap, and free in many cases, when their commercials are aired. I have witnessed many station conglomerates house their studios for all of their stations in one building, though. With this configuration, programmers would prefer to retain the conventional STL arrangement. 73, Jeff In a message dated 1/13/2002 4:22:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, you write: >This post got no response from the "Dennis" list, and I forgot that >you can't "cc" a copy to this list, so here is my thought: >It would seem to me that instead of a satellite feed and a stereo >stl link to a transmitter, WHY can't a station use a computer based >music system right at the transmitter site, with a 1200 or so song >playlist on it's hard drive? >This could be controlled with one line from the studio, and >eliminate the money spent for the satellite feed as well. I know >that these programs exist, and are not expensive. >Ideas, anyone? >Chris From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Jan 13 02:16:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 13 Jan 2002 10:16:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 6984 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2002 10:16:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2002 10:16:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2002 10:16:16 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.50]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 05:11:51 -0500 Message-ID: <002a01c19c1a$a678c560$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: ways around an STL Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 05:11:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Jeff, You're up early! DX'ing?? Yep, KCJJ does use "Robo-DJ" and of course, everything is in one building. I think of stations like CHNS that has insurmountable STL trouble- this would work for them, but this station is a hopeless case, due to a "professional" beancounter that was brought in and ruined the station. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: jeffdeck2001 From jeffdeck@aol.com Sun Jan 13 07:04:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 13 Jan 2002 15:04:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 50966 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2002 15:04:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2002 15:04:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.70) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2002 15:04:27 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.114] by n20.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2002 14:55:28 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 15:04:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: ways around an STL Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002a01c19c1a$a678c560$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 793 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jeffdeck2001" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.198.26 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4430287 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Hi Chris, I was listening to AM stereo stations from distant places! Yesterday morning, Mexico clobbered Chicago on many frequencies. This morning was an entirely different situation. Many distant stations were interfering with semi-local AM stations after local sunrise. As a suggestion, CHNS could use conditioned lease telephone line to supplant their STL. 73, Jeff In a message dated 1/13/2002 5:19:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, you write: >Jeff, You're up early! DX'ing?? >Yep, KCJJ does use "Robo-DJ" and of course, everything is in one >building. I think of stations like CHNS that has insurmountable STL >trouble- this would work for them, but this station is a hopeless >case, due to a "professional" beancounter that was brought in and >ruined the station. >CC From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Jan 13 20:26:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 14 Jan 2002 04:26:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 22777 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2002 04:26:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2002 04:26:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14203.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.145) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2002 04:26:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20020114042629.56095.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.162.18.173] by web14203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:26:29 PST Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:26:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: From Broadcast Engineering Jan.14th To: Dennis AMstereo IAAAS List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Ibiquity Submits AM Results to NRSC CES, Las Vegas - Jan 8, 2002 - Ibiquity Digital Corporation, the sole developer and licenser of digital AM and FM radio broadcast technology in the United States, announced that it has submitted its digital AM radio system test results to the National Radio Systems Committee (NRSC). According to Ibiquity, the results of the tests, which were conducted in accordance with the procedures defined by the NRSC, confirm that the AM IBOC (In-Band On-Channel) system will deliver FM-like sound quality while preserving the integrity of the current analog AM broadcasting system. With this submission, the NRSC has all the relevant information it requested in order to evaluate Ibiquity 's AM IBOC digital broadcast system in order to make its reccommendation to the Federal Communications Commission. As part of the NRSC AM test program, Ibiquity Digital conducted field tests at three commercial and one experimental AM radio station. The test program also included laboratory tests and subjective sound quality evaluations of several hundred audio samples collected from the lab and the field. The sound quality evaluations included comparisons of IBOC digital AM with both analog AM and analog FM. Ibiquity reports that listeners comparing digital AM with today's analog FM, found digital AM to be FM-like. Ibiquity also said that listeners comparing digital AM with today's analog AM, judged digital AM to be superior to analog, which is no surprise. It has long been believed that AM stations have the most to gain aurally from adopting a digital transmission system. All field tests and evaluations conducted as part of the NRSC AM test program were monitored or performed by independent laboratories in accordance with procedures developed by the NRSC. Ibiquity is still planning on an IBOC rollout in 2002. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jan 13 20:33:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 14 Jan 2002 04:32:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 35517 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2002 04:32:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2002 04:32:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.82) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2002 04:32:59 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.24] by n32.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2002 04:32:59 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 04:32:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: From Broadcast Engineering Jan.14th Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020114042629.56095.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1545 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.76.19 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Ibiquity also said that listeners comparing digital AM with today's > analog AM, judged digital AM to be superior to analog, which is no > surprise. Of course Ibiquity stacks the deck in their favor by comparing the IBOC AM digital audio to that of the analog signal that has been limited to 5 kHz response (in order to "fit" the digital data in the 10 kHz of allocated audio bandwidth) and then received on the worst, narrowest-response receiver they could find. On the other hand, compare cruddy IBOC AM digital audio to that of a wide-band radio with full 10 kHz NRSC response, and even without the benefit of AM Stereo I think most people would prefer the regular analog AM audio. > It has long been believed that AM stations have the most to gain > aurally from adopting a digital transmission system. Yeah, and listeners have the most to LOSE because 99.9% of us will be listening on analog radios, and not only is IBOC not compatible with C-Quam AM Stereo, it also forces the top half of the audio response to be hacked off, leaving us with telephone-like 5 kHz response, which will actually be more like 4.5 kHz since it is impossible to have an audio filter with an exactly vertical cut-off. And then of course are all the horrendous "splatter" problems associated with having the digital data stream continuously in the 5 to 10 kHz audio range... so if you are unlucky enough to have an IBOC AM station in your area, don't expect to be able to listen to any stations 10 or even 20 kHz away from it on the dial! From rob_schaller@hotmail.com Sun Jan 13 20:54:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rob_schaller@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 14 Jan 2002 04:54:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 63515 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2002 04:54:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2002 04:54:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.21.177) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2002 04:54:03 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:54:03 -0800 Received: from 12.249.144.165 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 04:54:02 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: From Broadcast Engineering Jan.14th Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 04:54:02 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2002 04:54:03.0339 (UTC) FILETIME=[7D0321B0:01C19CB7] From: "Rob Schaller" X-Originating-IP: [12.249.144.165] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88071317 I would suspect that if splatter problems are made worse with digital broadcasting they would have modify the digital transmission such that the splatter is reduced to more "acceptable" levels or rewrite the spec to allow this type of emission on an already over crowded part of the RF spectrum. Rob From: "kevtronics" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: From Broadcast Engineering Jan.14th Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 04:32:52 -0000 << SNIP >> And then of course are all the horrendous "splatter" problems associated with having the digital data stream continuously in the 5 to 10 kHz audio range... so if you are unlucky enough to have an IBOC AM station in your area, don't expect to be able to listen to any stations 10 or even 20 kHz away from it on the dial! _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jan 13 21:44:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 14 Jan 2002 05:43:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 84480 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2002 05:43:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2002 05:43:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.65) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2002 05:43:56 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.49] by n15.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2002 05:43:25 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 05:43:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: From Broadcast Engineering Jan.14th Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3450 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.76.19 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I would suspect that if splatter problems are made worse with > digital broadcasting they would have modify the digital transmission > such that the splatter is reduced to more "acceptable" levels or > rewrite the spec to allow this type of emission on an already over > crowded part of the RF spectrum. Technically, it's not considered "splatter" if it is contained within the 10 kHz NRSC frequence response limit. The IBOC digital signal fits within this limit so it meets all applicable FCC rules. However, this does not take into account the fact that since AM channels are 10 kHz apart, that means any audio above 5 kHz will spill over onto adjacent channels. With regular analog AM broadcasts this is not so much of a problem since this audio range (5 to 10 kHz) is only occupied during brief "bursts", such as when somebody says the letter "S" or during percussion peaks of a song. However, for an IBOC digital signal, the digital data stream is *continuously* occupying the 5 to 10 kHz audio range, so this spill-over onto adjacent channels will also be continuous, most likely heard as a hissing or buzzing noise... very much reminiscent of the "jammers" on the shortwave bands that are used to prevent clear reception of 'undesirable' broadcasts! So, essentially an IBOC signal will be "jamming" any stations that are adjacent to it on the dial; i.e. an IBOC signal on 1200 kHz will completely wipe out reception of signals on 1190 and 1210 kHz with the hissing or buzzing noise. The problem gets even worse when *two* IBOC digital signals are next to each other on the dial. In this case, it is reported that unless one station is 34 TIMES stronger than the other, reception of either signal will not be possible because they will both mutually wipe each other out with interference! This same problem occurs with IBOC on the *FM* band -- there is a very noticeable buzzing noise on adjacent channels. In New York City, 102.7 WNEW-FM briefly tested IBOC-FM, and during this time there were many complaints of reception of adjacent stations on 102.5 and 102.9 being wiped out with a continuous buzzing noise. And to make things even worse, the folks at Ibiquity issued a proposal to the FCC calling for ALL AM stations, even ANALOG stations, to limit their audio response to 5 kHz or less (half of the current 10 kHz limit), in order to "PROTECT" the IBOC digital data stream that occupies the 5 to 10 kHz range. In order words, Ibiquity was concerned about the "spill-over" of analog stations causing problems with reception of IBOC digital signals! Thankfully, the FCC did not even consider this proposal because not only would it totally ruin the sound quality of all the thousands of AM stations in the country, it also did not make any sense because at that time IBOC was still in the experimental stage, thus regular AM stations had no obligation to "protect" it. BTW, Lucent is the company who designed the IBOC systems used by Ibiquity, and right in my home town here in New Jersey, at the local Lucent offices they are conducting tests broadcasts of IBOC DAB on the AM and FM bands. Their AM transmitter is on 1700 kHz, but the signal is very weak and I am too far away to pick it up. Plus they do not publish the schedule of their test broadcasts so even if I could receive it, it would be "hit and miss" as to when they would be actually using it for test broadcasts. From dav259@minerals.csiro.au Mon Jan 14 00:20:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@minerals.csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 14 Jan 2002 08:20:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 58121 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2002 08:20:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2002 08:20:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2002 08:20:41 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24626; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:20:39 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:20:39 +1100 (EST) To: Cc: iaaas list Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: From Broadcast Engineering Jan.14th In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24627097 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Kevin, Scott, Johnny, Kit, Jeff, anyone ... Can someone put this into perspective for technical dummies like me? It seems that this may be crunch time for us - as in what we're about. I think we should raise awareness about this wherever we can - and a decent message on the US google board: http://groups.google.com/groups?group=alt.radio.broadcasting would be a starting point. I'd like to raise this in letters columns etc but need to know in layman's terms what to say. For starters let me say that *IF* digital sounded as good as AMS and didn't disrupt the current structure of stations as far as programming goes I would be prepared to buy a few DAB radios in the fullness of time. But just about everthing I've read about it is damning - and it seemingly is just a way to force us go out and buy "new fashionable clothes". What are the main points that we should raise so that non-technical people will understand? On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, kevtronics wrote: > However, for an IBOC digital signal, the digital data stream is > *continuously* occupying the 5 to 10 kHz audio range, so this > spill-over onto adjacent channels will also be continuous, most likely > heard as a hissing or buzzing noise... very much reminiscent of the > "jammers" on the shortwave bands that are used to prevent clear > reception of 'undesirable' broadcasts! So, essentially an IBOC signal > will be "jamming" any stations that are adjacent to it on the dial; > i.e. an IBOC signal on 1200 kHz will completely wipe out reception of > signals on 1190 and 1210 kHz with the hissing or buzzing noise. If this is the case - wouldn't the number of US AM stations have to be considerably culled? And as I understand it the digital signal doesn't travel as far so that would make it worse. But when they talk of digital TV they say there is so much opportunity there for MORE stations. How are we dummies supposed to comprehend all of this? Dave in Georgia has a DTV - and if I understood - he said regarding the signal you either get it - or you don't. Why would radio be different? > The problem gets even worse when *two* IBOC digital signals are next > to each other on the dial. In this case, it is reported that unless > one station is 34 TIMES stronger than the other, reception of either > signal will not be possible because they will both mutually wipe each > other out with interference! Then this is what we have to say. But what is the NAB's position on this? Where can we find out more? Surely the NAB is not gonna shoot itself in the foot (though I guess CC probably might have all sorts of motives in all of this and by default probably rules the NAB). > This same problem occurs with IBOC on the *FM* band -- there is a very > noticeable buzzing noise on adjacent channels. In New York City, > 102.7 WNEW-FM briefly tested IBOC-FM, and during this time there were > many complaints of reception of adjacent stations on 102.5 and 102.9 > being wiped out with a continuous buzzing noise. This amazes me as all of our (much fewer) FM stations are 0.8 Mhz apart. Are yours only 0.4 or 0.2?? I must admit our FM signals never clash - but they also don't travel well. > And to make things even worse, the folks at Ibiquity issued a proposal > to the FCC calling for ALL AM stations, even ANALOG stations, to limit > their audio response to 5 kHz or less (half of the current 10 kHz > limit), in order to "PROTECT" the IBOC digital data stream that > occupies the 5 to 10 kHz range. In order words, Ibiquity was > concerned about the "spill-over" of analog stations causing problems > with reception of IBOC digital signals! Thankfully, the FCC did not > even consider this proposal because not only would it totally ruin the > sound quality of all the thousands of AM stations in the country, it > also did not make any sense because at that time IBOC was still in the > experimental stage, thus regular AM stations had no obligation to > "protect" it. Who is Ibiquity? And what are their motives? > BTW, Lucent is the company who designed the IBOC systems used by > Ibiquity, and right in my home town here in New Jersey, at the local > Lucent offices they are conducting tests broadcasts of IBOC DAB on the > AM and FM bands. Their AM transmitter is on 1700 kHz, but the signal > is very weak and I am too far away to pick it up. Sorry, another question. Who is Lucent? And are there different digital systems that could be approved by the FCC? The worst case scenario would be a repetition of what they originally did with the "let the market decide" approach they originally took with AMS which has caused the mess we are in now. This is a time for us to be vigilant. Maybe we should prepare some generic text which the average Joe Sixpack could understand and we should all promulgate to any open ears - preferably in sets of two! Any starters?? Ian - Melbourne From Bossmsx@aol.com Mon Jan 14 07:00:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 14 Jan 2002 14:59:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 18545 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2002 14:59:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2002 14:59:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.7) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2002 14:59:55 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.cd.11916c89 (15892) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:59:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from web44.aolmail.aol.com (web44.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.5]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILINID87-0114095928; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:59:28 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:59:28 EST Subject: Florida Roll Call... To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: From: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx To those of you from Florida on this list: I think it's time for a 'roll call' of Florida stations running AM Stereo....We know WWBF in Bartow is, thankfully, still running AMS, and we know that WODX/WMIB in Marco Island has turned their equipment off....Can anyone name any other stations in Fla. currently running AMS? I've heard All Sports WMOP in Ocala recently turned their exciter back on, now does anyone know of any others besides these two? WMEL/920 in Melbourne is listed as having AM Stereo, but I have never been able to go up there and check for myself...So is WDIZ/590 in Panama City, but being owned now by Clear Channel, I fear they may have turned their generator off. Somehow I fear the worst, namely, that there are only two stations in the Sunshine State in Stereo, and only one that actually puts its AMS gear to good use by playing music. Tony Simon From dtaylor@newnw.com Mon Jan 14 13:29:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dtaylor@newnw.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 14 Jan 2002 21:29:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 95722 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2002 21:29:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2002 21:29:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO newnw.com) (63.224.53.190) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2002 21:29:04 -0000 Received: from engineer [192.168.11.33] by newnw.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id AD9D14C0214; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:29:01 -0800 To: "amstereoforum" Subject: AM Stereo in Billings Montana Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:30:21 -0900 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Dave Taylor" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=12315677 X-Yahoo-Profile: dnktaylor One of our AM stations in Billings, Montana is broadcasting in C-Quam Stereo. It is KGHL AM 790 in Billings. The station is 5kw and has a very large coverage area in Montana. The format is Classic Country and is a real money maker for our company. The engineer is Mike Powers and is very much an AM Stereo supporter. Our company is New Northwest Broadcasters, HQ in Bellevue, Wa. Dave Taylor Engineer New Northwest Broadcasters Anchorage, AK From KC4QLP@aol.com Mon Jan 14 14:24:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 14 Jan 2002 22:24:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 75504 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2002 22:24:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2002 22:24:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.5) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2002 22:24:12 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 1.3e.17a28a14 (3976); Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:23:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3e.17a28a14.2974b468@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:23:36 EST Subject: WSM Nashville Update--WSM to stay all country format. To: amstereo@topica.com, amstereoradio@topica.com, iaaas-amstereo@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp The following story off of Yahoo News regarding WSM Nashville: News alert for "Radio": ========================================== WSM-AM, Nashville, to Stay Country (Associated Press) After an outcry from country fans and music stars, the owners of WSM-AM station announced Monday the historic station will continue to broadcast country music and the Grand Ole Opry rather than switch to an all-talk, all-sports format. For the full story, go to: http://rd.yahoo.com/alerts/email/news/*http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap /20020114/en/wsm_am_1.html Now only if they would switch the AM Stereo exciter back on....then we might be on to something. *IDEA!* By the way the news article reads about the real reason for WSM to stay country was from a lot of input from country stars and those of the Grand Ol Opry.I wonder if we could get the same results in regards to WSM's stereo operation...or right now...lack of it.....worth a try folks. 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It is KGHL AM 790 in Billings. The station is 5kw and has a very > large coverage area in Montana. The format is Classic Country and is a real > money maker for our company. The engineer is Mike Powers and is very much > an AM Stereo supporter. Our company is New Northwest Broadcasters, HQ in > Bellevue, Wa. > > Dave Taylor > Engineer > New Northwest Broadcasters > Anchorage, AK Good job to you folks in Billings. I'm in Calgary, and sometimes I can pick up 1180 KOFI in Kalispell. It's listed as AM stereo and when I pick it up on my car radio, the stereo indicator light goes on but I get no separation. Same with 560 KMON great falls. Stereo but not real Stereo. Can you confirm this...?? From rfinder@telusplanet.net Mon Jan 14 14:53:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rfinder@telusplanet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 14 Jan 2002 22:53:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 45662 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2002 22:53:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2002 22:53:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.55) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2002 22:53:01 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.135] by n5.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2002 22:53:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:52:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1090 AM Stereo Seatle, Wa. Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 337 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "i2thesky2001" X-Originating-IP: 142.173.142.77 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Picked this station up recently. 1090 AM " Talk With Attitude" Seatle, Washington New station on the block. No website to my knowlwdge. My stock chrysler AM stereo clearly picks up the station ID's and commercials in FULL STEREO!!! Listen for this one and confirm this one for us. Anyone. I think the call letters might be KCIW. From dtaylor@newnw.com Mon Jan 14 15:00:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dtaylor@newnw.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 14 Jan 2002 23:00:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 61663 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2002 23:00:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2002 23:00:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO newnw.com) (63.224.53.190) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2002 23:00:28 -0000 Received: from engineer [192.168.11.33] by newnw.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A2FA2E50234; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:00:10 -0800 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo in Billings Montana Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:01:31 -0900 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Dave Taylor" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=12315677 X-Yahoo-Profile: dnktaylor Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll check with our engineer in Billings and see what he may know about those stations. I remember traveling through Montana driving back to Alaska in summer of 1992. I recall listening to CFFR 660 in stereo. They had a monster signal down into Montana and sounded great in stereo. I understand they have turned their stereo off. How sad. Dave Taylor NNB Anchorage -----Original Message----- From: i2thesky2001 [mailto:rfinder@telusplanet.net] Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 1:35 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo in Billings Montana --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Dave Taylor" wrote: > One of our AM stations in Billings, Montana is broadcasting in C-Quam > Stereo. It is KGHL AM 790 in Billings. The station is 5kw and has a very > large coverage area in Montana. The format is Classic Country and is a real > money maker for our company. The engineer is Mike Powers and is very much > an AM Stereo supporter. Our company is New Northwest Broadcasters, HQ in > Bellevue, Wa. > > Dave Taylor > Engineer > New Northwest Broadcasters > Anchorage, AK Good job to you folks in Billings. I'm in Calgary, and sometimes I can pick up 1180 KOFI in Kalispell. It's listed as AM stereo and when I pick it up on my car radio, the stereo indicator light goes on but I get no separation. Same with 560 KMON great falls. Stereo but not real Stereo. Can you confirm this...?? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 15:49:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 14 Jan 2002 23:49:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 43652 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2002 23:49:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2002 23:49:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14206.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.70) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2002 23:49:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20020114234952.54575.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.162.18.173] by web14206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:49:52 PST Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:49:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: Please WRITE to WSM-650 - today To: Dennis AMstereo IAAAS List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio The momentum is in swing with WSM staying with Music on AM, so please join me in emailing (and/or writing to them in the mail) to the WSM-AM engineering department, production mgr (stereo commercials), and management to congratulate them for staying with the country music format at 650 WSM. Please be sure to thank them, and encourage them to go back to AMS until IBOC (if ever) has more receivers available than the Cquam millions out there now! BTW: they only lost $1.5 million dollars last year - heck, the Clear Channel stations lose a lot more than that, and they're buying more stations ever day! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From dtaylor@newnw.com Mon Jan 14 16:04:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dtaylor@newnw.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 15 Jan 2002 00:03:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 62960 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2002 00:03:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2002 00:03:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO newnw.com) (63.224.53.190) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2002 00:03:59 -0000 Received: from engineer [192.168.11.33] by newnw.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A1EC1C4022C; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:03:56 -0800 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} 1090 AM Stereo Seattle, Wa. Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:05:17 -0900 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Dave Taylor" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=12315677 X-Yahoo-Profile: dnktaylor Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Station in Seattle is KYCW 1090 50Kw Directional Antenna day and night. Infor obtained from the FCC AM Query Database. Dave Taylor Engineer NNB Anchorage -----Original Message----- From: i2thesky2001 [mailto:rfinder@telusplanet.net] Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 1:53 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} 1090 AM Stereo Seatle, Wa. Picked this station up recently. 1090 AM " Talk With Attitude" Seatle, Washington New station on the block. No website to my knowlwdge. My stock chrysler AM stereo clearly picks up the station ID's and commercials in FULL STEREO!!! Listen for this one and confirm this one for us. Anyone. I think the call letters might be KCIW. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 16:48:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 15 Jan 2002 00:48:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 82648 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2002 00:48:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2002 00:48:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.82) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2002 00:48:08 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.124] by n32.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2002 00:48:08 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 00:48:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1090 AM Stereo Seatle, Wa. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 723 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.31 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > 1090 AM " Talk With Attitude" Seatle, Washington > New station on the block. No website to my knowlwdge. My stock > chrysler AM stereo clearly picks up the station ID's and commercials > in FULL STEREO!!! > Listen for this one and confirm this one for us. Anyone. I think the > call letters might be KCIW. This is 1090 KYCW in Seattle, owned by Infinity! I have KYCW in my AM Stereo listing as a Classic Country station. I guess they changed to a talk format but wisely decided to keep the Stereo on and put it to its best use! KYCW is listed as a full-time 50,000 watt Class B station, so they should have a pretty decent signal, although not quite as good as a full-fledged Class A "clear channel" station. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 17:11:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 15 Jan 2002 01:11:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 15400 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2002 01:11:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2002 01:11:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.70) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2002 01:11:30 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.134] by n20.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2002 01:02:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 01:11:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM Stereo exciter on eBay Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 412 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.31 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I see the Motorola C-Quam AM Stereo exciter on eBay has been sold using the "Buy It Now" feature: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1319754314 Anybody care to politely contact the lucky recipient of this exciter and inquire as to what they plan to do with it? Just click on "joeknapp" (the winning bidder's ID) and if you are an eBay user you will be able to send an e-mail to him. From KC4QLP@aol.com Mon Jan 14 17:44:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 15 Jan 2002 01:44:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 99371 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2002 01:44:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2002 01:44:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r07.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.103) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2002 01:44:40 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.3e.17a23b6e (3967); Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:44:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3e.17a23b6e.2974e367@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:44:07 EST Subject: Re: [amstereo] Please WRITE to WSM-650 - today To: amstereo@nrcdxas.org, amstereo@topica.com, amstereoradio@topica.com Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 1/14/02 6:50:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, toledohamradio@yahoo.com writes: << The momentum is in swing with WSM staying with Music on AM, so please join me in emailing (and/or writing to them in the mail) to the WSM-AM engineering department, production mgr (stereo commercials), and management to congratulate them for staying with the country music format at 650 WSM. Please be sure to thank them, and encourage them to go back to AMS until IBOC (if ever) has more receivers available than the Cquam millions out there now! BTW: they only lost $1.5 million dollars last year - heck, the Clear Channel stations lose a lot more than that, and they're buying more stations ever day! >> Its worth a shot...but seeing the brick wall from the folks within the place {WSM}...we might get the same old answer that we got when WSM first shut off the AM Stereo exciter.I'm tellin ya folks,the people that make country what it is today...the country singers need to be in on this as well.Educate the singers and the Grand Ol Opry "big wigs" on what AM Stereo is and what it does for the listeners listening to their songs on AM radio.Heck if the Grand Ol Opry can be broadcast in stereo via the Dish Network TV system...then the Grand Ol Opry can be in stereo on WSM along with everything else.Besides...it would be a great promotional thing to use to get other stations to join in on the greats of AM Stereo. Think about it...the only reason WSM has been able to stay mono this long is because no nation wide stink has been made about it. From rfinder@telusplanet.net Mon Jan 14 17:53:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rfinder@telusplanet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 15 Jan 2002 01:53:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 54187 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2002 01:53:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2002 01:53:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.85) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2002 01:53:52 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.46] by n35.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2002 01:53:51 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 01:53:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo in Billings Montana Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2240 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "i2thesky2001" X-Originating-IP: 142.173.142.77 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Dave Taylor" wrote: > I'll check with our engineer in Billings and see what he may know about > those stations. I remember traveling through Montana driving back to > Alaska in summer of 1992. I recall listening to CFFR 660 in stereo. They > had a monster signal down into Montana and sounded great in stereo. I > understand they have turned their stereo off. How sad. > > Dave Taylor > NNB Anchorage > -----Original Message----- > From: i2thesky2001 [mailto:rfinder@t...] > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 1:35 PM > To: amstereoforum@y... > Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo in Billings Montana > > Yeah. CFFR 660 was recently acquired by cable giant Rogers Media Inc., the Canadian equivalent to Clear Channel. They have a no stereo policy, thinking there's no demand for it and nobody owns AMS capable radios. Funny thing, most of thier stations don't even have websites, cost cutting measures i'm sure. > --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Dave Taylor" wrote: > > One of our AM stations in Billings, Montana is broadcasting in > C-Quam > > Stereo. It is KGHL AM 790 in Billings. The station is 5kw and has > a very > > large coverage area in Montana. The format is Classic Country and > is a real > > money maker for our company. The engineer is Mike Powers and is > very much > > an AM Stereo supporter. Our company is New Northwest Broadcasters, > HQ in > > Bellevue, Wa. > > > > Dave Taylor > > Engineer > > New Northwest Broadcasters > > Anchorage, AK > > Good job to you folks in Billings. I'm in Calgary, and sometimes I can > pick up 1180 KOFI in Kalispell. It's listed as AM stereo and when I > pick it up on my car radio, the stereo indicator light goes on but I > get no separation. Same with 560 KMON great falls. Stereo but not real > Stereo. Can you confirm this...?? > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Mon Jan 14 18:03:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 15 Jan 2002 02:03:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 47006 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2002 02:03:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2002 02:03:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2002 02:03:02 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.151.73d4a5b (16338) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:02:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <151.73d4a5b.2974e7ce@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:02:54 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} From Broadcast Engineering Jan.14th To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih I don't think IBOC should EVER be implemented. Take a look at St. Louis, for instance. The IBOC scheme WILL NOT support the present number of stations in the St. Louis market. St. Louis will lose nearly ALL of it's AM stations (only KMOX would remain), all but two of the market's non-commercial FMs (only KWMU and KSIV-FM would remain) and all of the FMs not operating with full Class B/C/C0/C1 facilities. In other words, all the Class A, C3 and C2 FM stations would be eliminated under the IBOC scheme, as well as all the AMs operating with LESS than 50 kW. More info? Go to http://www.digitaldisaster.org/ 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://members.aol.com/n0uiheric/TurnOffClearChannel.html http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/turnoffclearchannel From rfinder@telusplanet.net Mon Jan 14 18:08:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rfinder@telusplanet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 15 Jan 2002 02:08:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 76225 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2002 02:08:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2002 02:08:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.58) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2002 02:08:41 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.156] by n8.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2002 02:08:41 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 02:08:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: CKMX 1060 Am Calgary Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 954 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "i2thesky2001" X-Originating-IP: 142.173.142.77 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Listen for this one folks. Beautiful station. 50 kW day/night. 3 tower array. Sound quality and audio processing; outstanding stereo separation: excellent. 24 hours of adult contemporary music a day spanning 5 generations. I wish i could dump it on a three minute MP3 to show you how great it sounds. Another noteworthy AMS station for sound quality is 880 CHQT edmonton. http://cool880.com Incredible stereo separation. Very full sounding. 50 kW day/night out of Edmonton Alberta. Both stations direct their signals to the north at night, so they wont interfere with Clear Channel Inc. down there, Also here's a funky little AMS station from Edmonton alberta. they sound ok as well. They are 1260 CFRN at http://cfrn.com Neat website Also CHQR Calgary is now broadcasting more commercials and station Id's in stereo now that they moved into new studios. Before october of 2001 you would not hear anything in stereo. http://qr77.com From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Jan 14 18:17:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 15 Jan 2002 02:17:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 4999 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2002 02:17:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2002 02:17:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2002 02:17:14 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-130.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.130]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA27015 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:17:12 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <005401c19d6b$4bc137e0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo in Billings Montana Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:21:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Are they simulcasting an FM like they were some years ago, or is this separate? Scott Todd PS Went to electronics school with a Dave Taylor, but I suspect that's a common enough name that you're not him. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Taylor To: amstereoforum Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 3:30 PM Subject: {AMSF} AM Stereo in Billings Montana > One of our AM stations in Billings, Montana is broadcasting in C-Quam > Stereo. It is KGHL AM 790 in Billings. The station is 5kw and has a very > large coverage area in Montana. The format is Classic Country and is a real > money maker for our company. The engineer is Mike Powers and is very much > an AM Stereo supporter. Our company is New Northwest Broadcasters, HQ in > Bellevue, Wa. > > Dave Taylor > Engineer > New Northwest Broadcasters > Anchorage, AK > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Jan 14 18:49:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 15 Jan 2002 02:49:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 88170 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2002 02:49:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2002 02:49:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2002 02:49:18 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-130.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.130]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA02042 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:49:15 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00d301c19d6f$c63e8000$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <3e.17a23b6e.2974e367@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [amstereo] Please WRITE to WSM-650 - today Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:53:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I don't have the time to do this myself, but if someone could research the artists' websites and post them here, I'd be glad to email them about enlisting their help in pestering WSM to turn the stereo back on. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: .Educate the > singers and the Grand Ol Opry "big wigs" on what AM Stereo is and what it > does for the listeners listening to their songs on AM radio.Heck if the Grand > Ol Opry can be broadcast in stereo via the Dish Network TV system...then the > Grand Ol Opry can be in stereo on WSM along with everything else.Besides...it > would be a great promotional thing to use to get other stations to join in on > the greats of AM Stereo. > > Think about it...the only reason WSM has been able to stay mono this long is > because no nation wide stink has been made about it. From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Jan 14 18:50:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 15 Jan 2002 02:50:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 64721 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2002 02:50:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2002 02:50:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2002 02:50:49 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-130.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.130]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA02253 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:50:47 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00d901c19d6f$fce9dc80$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <151.73d4a5b.2974e7ce@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} From Broadcast Engineering Jan.14th Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:54:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude That group hasn't updated it's website since Clinton was in office. Anyone know why? ST ----- Original Message ----- From: > More info? Go to http://www.digitaldisaster.org/ From dtaylor@newnw.com Mon Jan 14 18:57:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dtaylor@newnw.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 15 Jan 2002 02:57:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 65059 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2002 02:57:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2002 02:57:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO newnw.com) (63.224.53.190) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2002 02:57:35 -0000 Received: from davkat [209.193.50.56] by newnw.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id AA9C2EE0214; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:57:32 -0800 Message-ID: <000a01c19d70$5e637980$f6adfea9@davkat> To: References: <005401c19d6b$4bc137e0$d3a9fea9@me> Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo in Billings Montana Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:57:28 -0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2526.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2526.0000 From: "Dave Taylor" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=12315677 X-Yahoo-Profile: dnktaylor Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No they are not simulcasting as far as I know. I will check with their engineer next time I speak with him. Dave T. ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 5:21 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo in Billings Montana Are they simulcasting an FM like they were some years ago, or is this separate? Scott Todd PS Went to electronics school with a Dave Taylor, but I suspect that's a common enough name that you're not him. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Taylor To: amstereoforum Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 3:30 PM Subject: {AMSF} AM Stereo in Billings Montana > One of our AM stations in Billings, Montana is broadcasting in C-Quam > Stereo. It is KGHL AM 790 in Billings. The station is 5kw and has a very > large coverage area in Montana. The format is Classic Country and is a real > money maker for our company. The engineer is Mike Powers and is very much > an AM Stereo supporter. Our company is New Northwest Broadcasters, HQ in > Bellevue, Wa. > > Dave Taylor > Engineer > New Northwest Broadcasters > Anchorage, AK > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 23:18:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 15 Jan 2002 07:18:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 45293 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2002 07:18:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2002 07:18:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11708.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.74) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2002 07:18:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20020115071804.14782.qmail@web11708.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.80.145.83] by web11708.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:18:04 PST Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:18:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Florida Roll Call... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I've heard WMOP/900-Ocala with the pilot on. Not sure of the stereo status. WKLN/1170-St. Augustine may be returning to stereo soon. 73, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jan 15 16:01:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 16 Jan 2002 00:00:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 9980 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2002 00:00:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2002 00:00:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14203.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.145) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2002 00:00:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20020116000057.83018.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.162.18.173] by web14203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:00:57 PST Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:00:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: MONOnucleosis WSM To: Dennis AMstereo IAAAS List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio They're not IBOC, but they're not Cquam either - here's a response that I received from WSM-AM: Thank you for your interest in WSM. We have no plans to return to stereo broadcasting. To date, we have not been impressed by the IBOC plan for AM. There are latency issues , blend back and sky-wave issues that have not been addressed to our satisfaction. FM is another matter. Thank you, Watt Hairston WSM Engineering __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From 1377.3mp@start.com.au Tue Jan 15 16:27:30 2002 Return-Path: <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Sender: 1377.3mp@start.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 16 Jan 2002 00:27:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 6722 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2002 00:27:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2002 00:27:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.63) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2002 00:27:26 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.46] by n13.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2002 00:13:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 00:27:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT: Do AM tuning capacitors fail ? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 111 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Originating-IP: 213.121.69.30 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69495942 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Re the AM1000 loop do these small tuning caps fail ? Has anyone found dud ones while building radio's ? Dave From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jan 15 17:10:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 16 Jan 2002 01:10:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 51366 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2002 01:10:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2002 01:10:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.52) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2002 01:10:33 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.165] by n2.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2002 01:10:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 01:10:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Delco AM Stereo/FM Mono radio :-) Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2094 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.154 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I finally got that 1985 Delco radio that I won on eBay a while back... the date code on it is September 1984, so it is probably one of the very first batch of AM Stereo-equipped radios that the domestic car makers made. (GM already had Motorola as a major electronic parts supplier so it didn't take long for them to decide on C-Quam for their car radios). This radio, a rare radio-only unit (no cassette and no graphic equalizer, but still has AM Stereo!), is in good physical and electronic condition, except that it is only Stereo on the AM band! On FM, it is completely mono. Once in a while the Stereo indicator will flicker when changing stations, but it never pops into Stereo mode on any FM stations. On AM, however, it seems to have the same circuitry as the famous UX-1 model -- that is, the "AM ST" button also switches it into a wide-bandwidth mode, which works on all stations, even mono. It does actually seem to change the IF filtering, rather than just an audio filter (like the Sony SRF-42), and in Wide mode it thoughtfully includes a sharp 10 kHz notch filter which cuts the whistles without sacrificing high frequency response. Overall, a very nice radio, and in typical Delco fashion, when hooked up to a good pair of speakers, its audio amplifier will rival the quality of many "high-end" home stereo systems... just slide up the Bass and Treble controls and it really puts out some nice sound, on both AM and FM. I know understand why so many people praise the UX-1... I bet that 5-band graphic equalier and Auto DNR can really make AM Stereo sound fabulous. In fact, these Delcos quite possibly are the best-sounding AM Stereo radios of the '80s, as Motorola used them at electronics shows in order to demonstrate the sound of C-Quam AM Stereo (at their show booth you could sign up to go outside and sit in a GM car with a Delco AM Stereo radio tuned to their demonstration C-Quam transmitter). p.s. No, I don't think I am even going to try to fix the broken FM Stereo section... I like it to stay as an AM Stereo/FM Mono radio! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jan 15 20:43:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 16 Jan 2002 04:43:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 92655 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2002 04:43:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2002 04:43:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.80) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2002 04:43:25 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.181] by n30.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2002 04:43:21 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 04:43:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: The AM Stereo Liberation Front Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 193 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.154 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Thanks to my new Delco radio and some fun with my Alfredo Lite transmitter, here's a little something I cooked up: http://www.geocities.com/dieselweb/amslf.htm Enjoy, and spread the word! From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Jan 16 14:00:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 16 Jan 2002 22:00:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 31283 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2002 22:00:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2002 22:00:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2002 22:00:00 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-120.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.120]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA18826; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 15:59:57 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <009101c19ed9$b412b020$d3a9fea9@me> To: , Subject: Fw: Question from eBay Member Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 16:03:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Here's what I found out from the winner of the CQUAM exciter. I'm starting to run low on funds again, but if I can scrape enough together, I may make a similar bid on the one sitting unused in the back storage at WJON and see if they go for it. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Knapp To: Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 9:09 PM Subject: Re: Question from eBay Member > I'm a (former) radio engineer who just likes to collect unusual broadcast > equipment. I'll probably run this exciter into a dummy load once in a while > to "play radio" and make sure it still works. I'm most interested because > it's a C-QUAM Stereo unit. I watched the AM Stereo debates, followed by the > FCC's "let the market decide" cop-out, with great interest. Back in 1983, I > wrote a music scheduling program that eventually took me out of radio > engineering. That program is now called MusicMaster and is used by > thousands of stations all over the world. I'm now running the company that > maintains and sells it. Back in the "good old days" I built many AM > stations, including some tricky directional antenna farms. Having some old > equipment around makes me feel like I'm still in that end of the business. > It's also a great conversation starter at parties! > > -- Joe > > At 06:39 PM 1/14/2002 -0800, you wrote: > >To member: joeknapp > > >From member: n0bst > > > >-------------------- > > > > > >Joe, > > > >Congratulations on buying the AM stereo exciter. Curious as to what > >you'll be doing with it? There are some AM stereo email group that would > >be happy to have you join- amstereo@nrcdxas.org and > >amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com. It's nice to see there's still some > >interest out there. > > > >Scott Todd > > > > > >-------------------- > >This email was sent by an eBay member via eBay's email forwarding system. > >If you reply to the email, your response will go directly to the member and > >not through eBay. > > > >eBay does not tolerate spam (i.e., unsolicited commercial email) and is > >taking steps to protect members from this abuse. In addition, solicitations > >to buy or sell items outside of eBay violate eBay rules and are not covered > >by services that protect members such as feedback, insurance, escrow, and > >dispute resolution. If this is an offer to buy/sell items outside of eBay, > >please do not participate. Enter the following link into your browser to > >learn more. Link: http://pages.ebay.com/help/email_info.html > > > From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Jan 16 15:13:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 16 Jan 2002 23:13:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 11856 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2002 23:13:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2002 23:13:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r05.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.101) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2002 23:13:02 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id r.a7.1a0ec30f (3968) for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 18:12:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 18:12:50 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Do AM tuning capacitors fail ? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 1/15/02 7:32:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, 1377.3mp@start.com.au writes: << Re the AM1000 loop do these small tuning caps fail ? Has anyone found dud ones while building radio's ? Dave >> Well I dont know about the loop antennas but I have dealt with some portable radios where the variable did fall apart...of course it was a mighty cheap radio too. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.qsl.net/kc4qlp voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jan 17 20:29:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 18 Jan 2002 04:28:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 67034 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2002 04:28:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2002 04:28:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.76) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2002 04:28:57 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.110] by n26.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2002 04:18:05 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 04:28:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Audio frequency response testing Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3710 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.92.37 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics My hobby for the past few days has been testing the audio frequency response of the various AM radios I have, using this set-up of equipment: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~ktekel/freqtest.gif In this case since I cannot afford expensive professional test equipment, the "sine wave sweep generator" and "audio spectrum analyser" are actually two laptop computers equipped with "Cool Edit". This multitalented program can serve these purposes very well, through any multimedia-equipped PC (i.e. with audio input and output jacks). Of course the results are not 100% accurate because of the inherent frequency response limitations of the two computers, but this is compensated for in order to restore a flat frequency response display on the spectrum analyzer (the "control" setup). In actual use, it also assumes that the transmitter being used to make these tests also has a flat frequency response, which is also not usually the case. To reduce the effects of this I contained my testing to the 10.2 kHz audio range of the NRSC limit. Although the "Alfredo Lite" transmitter does have a good deal of response all the way to 20 kHz (the limit of human hearing), within the 10 kHz range it is reasonably flat, maybe good enough for a +1.5/-1.5 dB specification which really isn't much of a variation. Anyway, now for the actual results! SONY SRF-A100 Wide bandwidth mode with Tone control in CENTER (vertical) position [measured with NRSC pre-emphasis DISABLED, since the SRF-A100 was not designed with any built-in DE-emphasis] * down -6 dB at 35 Hz * down -3 dB at 55 Hz * flat response (within +/- 0.5 dB) from 95 to 9100 Hz * down -1 dB at 10200 Hz * slight mid-range boost of +1.7 dB at 5200 Hz Audio frequency response is usually specified to the tolerance of -3 dB, with a reference of the 0 dB level at 1 kHz. 3 dB equals a sound twice as loud as a sound of 0 dB, so this means at the specified frequencies, the sound is half as loud (-3 dB) as it is at 1 kHz. In this case the SRF-A100 would be specified as: 55 - 10200 Hz +1.7, -3 dB Of course the Sony has quite a bit of response well above the 10.2 kHz NRSC limit but I did not test in that range. For the record the SRF-A100 is fairly flat to at least 13 kHz with a gradual roll-off to about 16 kHz. I think it uses a "12.5 kHz" ceramic filter when in Wide bandwidth mode. The Sony also appears to have a roll-off of bass response below 60 Hz in order to reduce pilot tone intrusion into the audio (especially with the Harris system which used a 55 Hz pilot tone). Also note that this does not take into account the pre-emphasis used by AM broadcast stations, which would give an extra boost to the high frequencies. This can make the Sony sound excessively "bright" in Wide mode, but most people actually prefer this bright sound since it is so strikingly better than the typical muffled sound of most "normal" AM radios. As you can see there is quite a bit of work and careful details involved in measuring frequency response! I am in the process of evaluating the response of these other receivers: AM STEREO receivers * Sony SRF-A100 (in Narrow mode) * Sony SRF-42 walkman (in Wide and Narrow modes) * Delco 16043614 car radio (in Wide and Narrow modes) * Chrysler 4469075 car radio * Blaupunkt Tucson SQR-06 car radio (in Wide, Medium, & Narrow modes) * Panasonic RF-HS90 Japanese import walkman * Ando SS-100 Japanese import walkman * Philips AZ-1210 boom-box (Chris Cuff AM Stereo conversion) AM MONO receivers * Optimus 12-603A (GE Superadio III "clone") in Wide & Narrow modes * various other radios I have lying around, including a Hallicrafters vacuum tube radio from the 1950s! From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Fri Jan 18 05:23:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 62181 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2002 13:23:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2002 13:23:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.72) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2002 13:23:12 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [216.115.96.163] by n22.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2002 13:23:10 -0000 Date: 18 Jan 2002 13:23:08 -0000 Message-ID: <1011360188.231581.33784.w73@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /WPHT 1.mp3 Uploaded by : jeffdeck2001 Description : Recorded 01/18/2002 from central Ohio on Carver TX-2 tuner modified for AM stereo reception (MC13028A). You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/WPHT%201.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, jeffdeck2001 From jeffdeck@aol.com Sat Jan 19 02:24:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 19 Jan 2002 10:23:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 72367 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2002 10:23:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2002 10:23:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.76) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2002 10:23:56 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.159] by n26.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2002 10:12:58 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 10:23:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM stereo page Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3345 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jeffdeck2001" X-Originating-IP: 64.12.104.31 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4430287 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Chris, What is the format of WWKB - is it still financial business talk? Thanks Entercom! Also please tell us your plans with Motorola MC68HC11 microcontroller. Can someone forward a recent MP3 stereo file sample of WREF - Ridgefield? Thanks in advance! Early yesterday morning, I received many AM stations; this is a very small sampling (not including grave yard and other frequencies): 530 kHz Turks Island, British West Indies (WWRV Translator) (AM Stereo pilot) - AM file copied to Yahoo Stereo list. 640 kHz Unidentified Spanish. 650 kHz WSM, Nashville 660 kHz WFAN, New York (AM Stereo) 670 kHz CMQ, Cuba - AM file copied to Yahoo Stereo list. 700 kHz WLW, Cincinnati 710 kHz Unidentified Spanish. 720 kHz WGN, Chicago (AM Stereo) (390 miles, very weak signal) 740 kHz Prime Time Radio, Toronto 750 kHz WSM, Atlanta 760 kHz WJR, Detroit (AM Stereo) 880 kHz WCBS, New York 890 kHz Unidentified Spanish (very weak signal). 920 kHz WMNI, Columbus (AM Stereo) 950 kHz WWJ, Detroit 1030 kHz WBZ, Boston 1130 kHz WBBR, New York 1180 kHz Unidentified Spanish. 1210 kHz WPHT, Philadelphia (AM Stereo) - AM file copied to Yahoo 1630 kHz KCJJ, Iowa City (AM Stereo) This morning (01/19/02), I am now receiving many of these AM stations above in central Ohio, including Turks on 530kHz, and stations from Cuba and Mexico. I use a modest arrangement with Carver TX-2 tuner, MC13028A AM stereo decoder, and Radio Shack tunable external loop AM antenna. This combination provides three tuned R.F stages, excellent mixer, and three I.F amplification stages! XM Satellite Radio's factory-installed option will be available in 21 models this fall, including the 2003 Buick: Rendezvous, LeSabre; Cadillac: Escalade, Escalade EXT, DeVille, Seville; Chevrolet: Avalanche, Cavalier, Impala, Monte Carlo, Silverado, Suburban, Tahoe; GMC: Denali, Denali XL, Sierra, Yukon, Yukon XL; OLDS: Alero; Pontiac: Aztek; Bonneville, Grand Am, Sunfire. "These additional models will maintain GM's leadership position over other OEM competitors in terms of offering factory-installed XM Satellite Radios," said Rick Lee, executive director of XM Satellite Radio Services for GM. "It's All Digital; Riding the Waves of a New Radio Landscape." As an XM investor, it appears that GM has ditched C-QuAM AM stereo options in all of their 2003 model vehicles. I am clearing my in-box of junk mail. Also, I would recommend a good firewall program, such as Zone Alarm, for anyone connected to the Internet. You might be amazed how much personal information is sent to Microsoft (under the disguise of Windows Critical Update Notification), Kernel32.exe (a nasty W32.Badtrans.B@mm worm that collects passwords, keystrokes, and credit card numbers), Real Player, CometUI Module, Slingo AOL Client, Br0dcast Background Agent, and others! This message is certified to be free of HTML and Anthrax. I hope that AOL v7.0 has an option to disable sent HTML mail! 73, Jeff )))))) AM STEREO (((((( Where Available In a message dated 1/18/2002 7:29:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, Chris writes: >I can happily report that WWKB 1520 in Buffalo is back in AM Stereo! >Thanks Entercom! >Also logged 1310 "favorite oldies" in AM stereo- not sure where, no id. >Got Cuba on 640 this morning- first time! >CC From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Jan 19 02:38:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 19 Jan 2002 10:38:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 2338 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2002 10:38:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2002 10:38:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2002 10:38:08 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.40]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 05:33:35 -0500 Message-ID: <00f401c1a0d4$ac38d080$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM stereo page Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 05:33:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Sadly, yes, but I have some inside info that they "may" be headed back to a music format.. moe when I am at liberty to tell it.... As far as the 68HC11, I have all the development stuff now- just have to find a source for codes! - I can't find anything using Google- 30,000 pages, but neither "am stereo" or "cquam" come up. As for WREF, I will be going to the Boston antique radio show on Feb 17th, and am stopping at the halfway point overnight, so I can record some minidics in AM Stereo of this wonderful station. I will be only about 10 miles from their transmittter. cc ----- Original Message ----- From: jeffdeck2001 To: Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 5:23 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM stereo page From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jan 19 16:42:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 20 Jan 2002 00:42:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 56436 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2002 00:42:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2002 00:42:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.57) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2002 00:42:08 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.139] by n7.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2002 00:42:08 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 00:42:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM stereo page Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00f401c1a0d4$ac38d080$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 547 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > As far as the 68HC11, I have all the development stuff now- just > have to find a source for codes! - I can't find anything using > Google- 30,000 pages, but neither "am stereo" or "cquam" come up. If you're trying to program it to decode C-Quam via DSP, somewhere in my archives I have the computer code (assembly language?) to do this, direct from Motorola.... it was actually posted on a web site by somebody who successfully did C-Quam reception by DSP... he talks about how if you set it correctly, it can cancel out platform motion! From rfinder@telusplanet.net Sat Jan 19 17:25:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rfinder@telusplanet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 20 Jan 2002 01:25:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 82543 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2002 01:25:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2002 01:25:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.71) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2002 01:25:18 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.131] by n21.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2002 01:14:10 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 01:25:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM stereo page Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3807 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "i2thesky2001" X-Originating-IP: 142.173.131.58 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public --- In amstereoforum@y..., "jeffdeck2001" wrote: > Chris, > What is the format of WWKB - is it still financial business talk? > Thanks Entercom! > > Also please tell us your plans with Motorola MC68HC11 microcontroller. > > Can someone forward a recent MP3 stereo file sample of WREF - > Ridgefield? Thanks in advance! > > Early yesterday morning, I received many AM stations; this is a > very small sampling (not including grave yard and other frequencies): > > 530 kHz Turks Island, British West Indies (WWRV Translator) > (AM Stereo pilot) - AM file copied to Yahoo Stereo list. > 640 kHz Unidentified Spanish. > 650 kHz WSM, Nashville > 660 kHz WFAN, New York (AM Stereo) > 670 kHz CMQ, Cuba - AM file copied to Yahoo Stereo list. > 700 kHz WLW, Cincinnati > 710 kHz Unidentified Spanish. > 720 kHz WGN, Chicago (AM Stereo) (390 miles, very weak signal) > 740 kHz Prime Time Radio, Toronto > 750 kHz WSM, Atlanta > 760 kHz WJR, Detroit (AM Stereo) > 880 kHz WCBS, New York > 890 kHz Unidentified Spanish (very weak signal). > 920 kHz WMNI, Columbus (AM Stereo) > 950 kHz WWJ, Detroit > 1030 kHz WBZ, Boston > 1130 kHz WBBR, New York > 1180 kHz Unidentified Spanish. > 1210 kHz WPHT, Philadelphia (AM Stereo) - AM file copied to Yahoo > 1630 kHz KCJJ, Iowa City (AM Stereo) > > This morning (01/19/02), I am now receiving many of these AM > stations above in central Ohio, including Turks on 530kHz, and > stations from Cuba and Mexico. I use a modest arrangement with > Carver TX-2 tuner, MC13028A AM stereo decoder, and Radio Shack > tunable external loop AM antenna. This combination provides > three tuned R.F stages, excellent mixer, and three I.F amplification > stages! > > XM Satellite Radio's factory-installed option will be available in > 21 models this fall, including the 2003 Buick: Rendezvous, LeSabre; > Cadillac: Escalade, Escalade EXT, DeVille, Seville; Chevrolet: > Avalanche, Cavalier, Impala, Monte Carlo, Silverado, Suburban, Tahoe; > GMC: Denali, Denali XL, Sierra, Yukon, Yukon XL; OLDS: Alero; > Pontiac: Aztek; Bonneville, Grand Am, Sunfire. "These additional > models will maintain GM's leadership position over other OEM > competitors in terms of offering factory-installed XM Satellite > Radios," said Rick Lee, executive director of XM Satellite Radio > Services for GM. "It's All Digital; Riding the Waves of a New Radio > Landscape." As an XM investor, it appears that GM has ditched > C-QuAM AM stereo options in all of their 2003 model vehicles. > > I am clearing my in-box of junk mail. Also, I would recommend a > good firewall program, such as Zone Alarm, for anyone connected to > the Internet. You might be amazed how much personal information is > sent to Microsoft (under the disguise of Windows Critical Update > Notification), Kernel32.exe (a nasty W32.Badtrans.B@mm worm that > collects passwords, keystrokes, and credit card numbers), Real > Player, CometUI Module, Slingo AOL Client, Br0dcast Background Agent, > and others! > > This message is certified to be free of HTML and Anthrax. > I hope that AOL v7.0 has an option to disable sent HTML mail! > 73, Jeff > )))))) AM STEREO (((((( > Where Available > > In a message dated 1/18/2002 7:29:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, Chris > writes: > >I can happily report that WWKB 1520 in Buffalo is back in AM Stereo! > >Thanks Entercom! > >Also logged 1310 "favorite oldies" in AM stereo- not sure where, no > id. > >Got Cuba on 640 this morning- first time! > >CC That Toronto "Prime time radio" Is actually CHWO Toronto/Oakville with 50 kW day/night power. This station was formerly at 1250 Khz but moved to 740 when CBL (cbc radio one) went to FM. more info go to http://www.odxa.on.ca/chwo.html From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jan 19 18:53:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 20 Jan 2002 02:53:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 35286 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2002 02:53:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2002 02:53:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.71) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2002 02:53:04 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.164] by n21.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2002 02:41:56 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 02:53:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1520 WWKB back in Stereo Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1073 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I can confirm that 50,000-watt Entercom station 1520 WWKB in Buffalo, NY is back in AM Stereo after a 3 or 4 year absence.... their strong skywave signal tonight is tripping my radios in Stereo mode, and it is definitely not "falsing". The format is still a variety of news, talk, and sports, probably mostly syndicated so there is little chance of hearing actual Stereo separation. Nevertheless I have fond memories of WWKB, as they were the first AM Stereo station I ever heard by skywave at night, on my first AM Stereo radio, a Chrysler radio in 1995.... at that time they were running the "Real Country" format in full Stereo and it sounded fabulous! Now if only 1560 WQEW would flip it back on as well... I think they are the logical "next in line" to return to Stereo, and it is pretty certain they HAVE fooled around with Stereo broadcasts in the past few weeks, perhaps while the engineer was checking out the transmitter... one listener reported hearing TRUE Stereo from them, and one time I got a Stereo pilot tone from them all night long..... From mmalm@btinet.net Sat Jan 19 22:41:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mmalm@btinet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 20 Jan 2002 06:41:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 19829 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2002 06:41:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2002 06:41:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.72) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2002 06:41:15 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.139] by n22.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2002 06:41:15 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 06:41:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Delco AM Stereo/FM Mono radio :-) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2787 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "n0faz" X-Originating-IP: 207.243.68.15 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83590293 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0faz I'm not sure just what the radio you have looks like, but I'd be willing to bet it's alot like the one in my 1985 fiero. It too has AM stereo, and auto reverse cassete and spekers built into the head rests on each seat. I have an intermittent FM stereo problem with this radio also. I'm sure that the problem is a faulty solder joint, as a good "thump" on the side of the console makes the stereo indicator come on when in the FM mode. Does any one know if this radio has the same "wide band" circuitry as the UX-1? Mark, N0FAZ --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > I finally got that 1985 Delco radio that I won on eBay a while back... > the date code on it is September 1984, so it is probably one of the > very first batch of AM Stereo-equipped radios that the domestic car > makers made. (GM already had Motorola as a major electronic parts > supplier so it didn't take long for them to decide on C-Quam for their > car radios). > > This radio, a rare radio-only unit (no cassette and no graphic > equalizer, but still has AM Stereo!), is in good physical and > electronic condition, except that it is only Stereo on the AM band! > On FM, it is completely mono. Once in a while the Stereo indicator > will flicker when changing stations, but it never pops into Stereo > mode on any FM stations. > > On AM, however, it seems to have the same circuitry as the famous UX-1 > model -- that is, the "AM ST" button also switches it into a > wide-bandwidth mode, which works on all stations, even mono. It does > actually seem to change the IF filtering, rather than just an audio > filter (like the Sony SRF-42), and in Wide mode it thoughtfully > includes a sharp 10 kHz notch filter which cuts the whistles without > sacrificing high frequency response. > > Overall, a very nice radio, and in typical Delco fashion, when hooked > up to a good pair of speakers, its audio amplifier will rival the > quality of many "high-end" home stereo systems... just slide up the > Bass and Treble controls and it really puts out some nice sound, on > both AM and FM. > > I know understand why so many people praise the UX-1... I bet that > 5-band graphic equalier and Auto DNR can really make AM Stereo sound > fabulous. In fact, these Delcos quite possibly are the best- sounding > AM Stereo radios of the '80s, as Motorola used them at electronics > shows in order to demonstrate the sound of C-Quam AM Stereo (at their > show booth you could sign up to go outside and sit in a GM car with a > Delco AM Stereo radio tuned to their demonstration C-Quam > transmitter). > > p.s. No, I don't think I am even going to try to fix the broken FM > Stereo section... I like it to stay as an AM Stereo/FM Mono radio! From rjskadl@yahoo.com Sat Jan 19 23:02:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 20 Jan 2002 07:02:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 90819 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2002 07:02:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2002 07:02:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.70) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2002 07:02:32 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.167] by n20.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2002 06:52:51 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 07:02:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1520 WWKB back in Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 470 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl I can confirm Stereo Pilot on 1520 WKBW as Well. I took a ride with a friend of mine out to WFTU. His car has a Delco Wideband AM Stereo Radio, and WKBW's Pilot was solid. We were getting lots of intermittent falsing on other stations, but KB's stereo indication was Solid All the Way from Eastern LI to Western LI for over an hour. It also sounded like it was supposed to. The radios sound different when they are falsing than when there is actual pilot. From rjskadl@yahoo.com Sat Jan 19 23:09:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 20 Jan 2002 07:09:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 94818 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2002 07:09:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2002 07:09:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.59) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2002 07:09:17 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.165] by n9.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2002 07:09:17 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 07:09:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM stereo page Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 547 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl > Can someone forward a recent MP3 stereo file sample of WREF - > Ridgefield? Thanks in advance! I just got my Sony SRF-A1 a few days ago, so now that I am back into the world of AM Stereo, I had been planning on recording Both WREF 850 and WICC 600. I work on the north shore of Long Island and the two stations come in like locals there because of the great salt water conductivity of the LI Sound. It will take me a few days to get organized, but I will gladly post mp3 and or Real Audio files of both WREF and WICC in Stereo. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Jan 20 12:07:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 20 Jan 2002 20:07:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 1219 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2002 20:07:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2002 20:07:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14206.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.70) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2002 20:07:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20020120200726.33514.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.162.18.173] by web14206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:07:26 PST Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:07:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: SRF42 part number? To: Dennis AMstereo IAAAS List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio What was the old Radio Shack part number for the SRF-42? 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Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jan 20 15:55:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 20 Jan 2002 23:55:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 50014 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2002 23:55:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2002 23:55:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.72) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2002 23:55:16 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.143] by n22.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2002 23:55:16 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:55:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Delco AM Stereo/FM Mono radio :-) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2716 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.151 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I'm not sure just what the radio you have looks like, but I'd be > willing to bet it's alot like the one in my 1985 fiero. It too has > AM stereo, and auto reverse cassete This one is radio-only... NO cassette! Here it is in all its glory: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~ktekel/85delco.jpg As you can see it looks identical the base model Delco radio-only unit (with an "Electronic Tuning" blank-out covering where the cassette player would be), except for the small "AM ST/MONO" button between the Bass slider and the Scan button. > Does any one know if this radio has the same "wide band" circuitry > as the UX-1? As far as I know, all GM/Delco radios with AM Stereo prior to 1993 used the same circuitry, which included a manual button to select between mono/narrow bandwidth and stereo/wide bandwidth modes. Actually, according to my tests the "narrow" mode is still good enough to meet AMAX specs! "Wide" mode simply boosts the midrange a bit more, without really increasing the top-end frequency response, due to the fixed action of the 10 kHz audio low-pass filter (which cuts out the carrier whistle). From 1993-on, Delco radios with AM Stereo have the Expanded Band added (older ones only go up to 1620 kHz), and supposedly they officially meet the AMAX specifications. Some of these newer radios lack a manual AM ST switch, in which case the wider bandwidth mode is automatically linked to reception of a Stereo signal, so mono signals will be stuck in narrow-bandwidth mode. The main disadvantage of Delco radios is that you can't receive AM Stereo without also being in wide-bandwidth mode, which in some cases makes AM Stereo reception of weak/distant stations difficult. In this case the newer Chrysler AM Stereo radios with 5-band graphic equalizer have the advantage, with their automatic continuously variable bandwidth based on signal strength -- the stronger the signal, the wider the bandwidth, and AM Stereo reception is possible regardless of what bandwidth the radio is using. Nevertheless, GM/Delco radios are very sensitive on both AM and FM, and on AM Stereo the sound is very good -- about the best I've ever heard from a standard MC13020 chip. Leonard Kahn claimed that Delco "stole" some of his distortion-reducing circuit designs for use in their AM Stereo radios, and he even sued GM/Delco in court over it, but I don't think he won. In any event, this just means that Delcos sound better than most other AM Stereo radios, especially with their very good bass response (according to my tests, on AM it extends all the way down to 20 Hz, with actually about a 6 dB boost at 80 Hz, even with the Bass control slider in the center position). From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jan 20 15:58:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 20 Jan 2002 23:58:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 45721 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2002 23:58:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2002 23:58:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.84) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2002 23:58:23 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.91] by n34.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2002 23:58:19 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:58:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: SRF42 part number? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020120200726.33514.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 195 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.151 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > What was the old Radio Shack part number for the SRF-42? > Thanks. Catalog number 12-127, with a list price of $29.99. It was featured in the 1996 through 2000 Radio Shack yearly catalogs. From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Jan 20 19:19:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 21 Jan 2002 03:19:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 37085 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2002 03:19:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2002 03:19:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r01.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.97) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2002 03:19:02 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id r.134.803fd69 (25914) for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:18:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <134.803fd69.297ce29f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:18:55 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1520 WWKB back in Stereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih The only way we could get WSM 650 to go back to Stereo is that Gaylord fires their CE, and replace him with a pro-AM Stereo CE. Again, congrats to WWKB on returning to AM Stereo operations. Maybe some new Stereo drop-ins from them forthcoming? Of course, I can hear both of Entercom's AM Stereo stations in Kansas City from St. Louis; WDAF 610 and KXTR 1660. KCMO 710, KMBZ 980 and KWSJ 1250 are not broadcasting in Stereo, as far as I know. I'll have to go back to Portland to get a Stereo aircheck of KKSN 1520. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://members.aol.com/n0uiheric/TurnOffClearChannel.html http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/turnoffclearchannel From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jan 20 20:41:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 21 Jan 2002 04:41:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 77363 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2002 04:41:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2002 04:41:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.68) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2002 04:41:32 -0000 Received: from [216.115.97.81] by n18.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2002 04:41:43 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 04:41:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WICC #1 ratings in CT Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 752 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.151 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics A look at the updated Arbitron ratings on the www.rronline.com web site reveals that WICC 600 AM Stereo in Bridgeport, CT is the Number One top-rated station in Bridgeport, with a 12.6% market share! In comparison, the second-highest rated AM station in the area, News giant 880 WCBS, only got a 3.8% market share. WICC is usually the #2 station in the Bridgeport area, behind sister station WEBE-FM, but thanks to the heavier emphasis on news and talk programming in recent months, it was enough to push WICC up to the #1 spot. There is also a fairly good article on WICC: http://www.connpost.com/Stories/0,1002,3784%257E347436,00.html It fails to mention that WICC broadcasts in AM Stereo, but unfortunately that is to be expected.... From rjskadl@yahoo.com Sun Jan 20 20:51:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 21 Jan 2002 04:51:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 33899 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2002 04:51:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2002 04:51:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.75) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2002 04:51:26 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.33] by n25.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2002 04:50:01 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 04:51:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WREF AM Oldies 850 Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 885 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl Someone requested that an mp3 of WREF be posted, so I did. In the Files section there is a low quality as well as a high quality clip from Sunday 1/20/02 on Oldies 850 AM WREF Ridgefield Ct. (WREF-Short-LoQ.mp3 & WREF-Short-HiQ.mp3) It even has the jingle in the middle. The DJ was having a bad day. He introduced Petula Clark as Neil Sedaka. Unfortunately there is some noise caused by interference from all the electronic equipment in the building, but I think it sounds OK even with the background noise. For the Full length 6 minute version (Both Songs with the Jingle in between) go to http://rjskadl.tripod.com/WREF.rm Enjoy the clip, and If it leaves you wanting more then let me know. I am planning on recording AM 600 WICC Bridgeport CT during Midday Magazine and Lunchtime Oldies, so I hope to get a clip or two of that posted as well. Enjoy! -Rusty From rjskadl@yahoo.com Sun Jan 20 21:17:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 21 Jan 2002 05:17:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 43207 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2002 05:17:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2002 05:17:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.55) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2002 05:17:18 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.150] by n5.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2002 05:17:18 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 05:17:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WREF AM Oldies 850 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 590 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl > For the Full length 6 minute version (Both Songs with the Jingle in > between) go to > > Http://rjskadl.tripod.com/WREF.rm > > Enjoy the clip, and If it leaves you wanting more then let me know. OK, Sorry for the SNAFU. I didn't realize that Tripod had a remote loading policy. So in order to hear the clip, I have created a basic page that will let you retrieve the full 6:00 Real Audio clip locally. Just go to... http://rjskadl.tripod.com/WREF.html Then you can click on the Sound File Link and download it. Enjoy, and Keep your fingers crossed that it works. -Rusty From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Jan 21 02:25:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 21 Jan 2002 10:25:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 8253 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2002 10:25:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2002 10:25:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2002 10:25:30 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.35]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 05:00:44 -0500 Message-ID: <007401c1a262$4eef87e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: Cc: Subject: Sony CFD32 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 04:58:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I just received a Sony CFD32 from Koji. This is a 1993 model, and possibly the first CD boombox made by them exclusively for the Japan domestic market. It uses the CX857 (like the SRFA1 and A100, plus the CXA1657 dematrixing like the SRF42 for their usual 2 chip system. The MOST interesting thing is it has positive stereo ID via a 2 color LED- Green for "tuned" and switches to Red for stereo! It is NOT forced stereo- the CXA1657 is wired to require a pilot. The bandwith is very low- I would guess no more than 4K- but this can be widened by a new filter. A very sensitive and selective tuner, thanks to a nice large ferrite! Chris From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Jan 21 02:25:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 21 Jan 2002 10:25:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 8503 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2002 10:25:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2002 10:25:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2002 10:25:40 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.25]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 05:05:39 -0500 Message-ID: <000201c1a263$1166db20$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: Cc: Subject: Sony CFD32 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 04:58:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I just received a Sony CFD32 from Koji. This is a 1993 model, and possibly the first CD boombox made by them exclusively for the Japan domestic market. It uses the CX857 (like the SRFA1 and A100, plus the CXA1657 dematrixing like the SRF42 for their usual 2 chip system. The MOST interesting thing is it has positive stereo ID via a 2 color LED- Green for "tuned" and switches to Red for stereo! It is NOT forced stereo- the CXA1657 is wired to require a pilot. The bandwith is very low- I would guess no more than 4K- but this can be widened by a new filter. A very sensitive and selective tuner, thanks to a nice large ferrite! Chris From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jan 21 06:01:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 21 Jan 2002 14:00:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 69049 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2002 14:00:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2002 14:00:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2002 14:00:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20020121140055.32374.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 06:00:55 PST Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 06:00:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: IBOC is not around the corner yet To: Dennis AMstereo IAAAS List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio IBOC just around the corner ehh? I wrote to TI and asked them if I could buy some IBOC IC chips and here's what the response was: "What we demonstrated at CES2002 belonged to the receiver manufacturers of Visteon, JVC, etc.  The chips that powered the IBOC radios there were made by us, but at this time they are not available just yet. If you have other questions about IBOC, please ask me... Digital Radio Texas Instruments" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Jan 21 13:33:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 21 Jan 2002 21:33:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 91010 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2002 21:33:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2002 21:33:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2002 21:33:14 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.60]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:28:41 -0500 Message-ID: <005101c1a2c2$82e538a0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} WICC #1 ratings in CT Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:28:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Small wonder! They are one of the LAST real radio stations left- full service, and "home town".... I am just happy they continue the stereo. Ed, the engineer there, had told me that upper management at Aurora wanted the stereo killed, but there are still enough staunch supporters there to keep it alive. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics To: Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 11:41 PM Subject: {AMSF} WICC #1 ratings in CT > A look at the updated Arbitron ratings on the www.rronline.com web > site reveals that WICC 600 AM Stereo in Bridgeport, CT is the Number > One top-rated station in Bridgeport, with a 12.6% market share From raydtuner@yahoo.com Mon Jan 21 15:15:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: raydtuner@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 21 Jan 2002 23:14:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 72205 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2002 23:14:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2002 23:14:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.80) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2002 23:14:54 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.111] by n30.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2002 23:14:53 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 23:14:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Cool club! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 161 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "raydtuner" X-Originating-IP: 67.211.9.178 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92072182 X-Yahoo-Profile: raydtuner New here. I am in the range of CFCO Windsor ON., area which I hear is stereo.Also ,everyone is welcome at my group.http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/am-radio From raydtuner@yahoo.com Mon Jan 21 15:18:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: raydtuner@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 21 Jan 2002 23:18:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 77930 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2002 23:18:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2002 23:18:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.61) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2002 23:18:15 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.125] by n11.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2002 23:18:10 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 23:18:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1560 WQEW Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 77 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "raydtuner" X-Originating-IP: 67.211.9.178 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92072182 X-Yahoo-Profile: raydtuner Radio Disney is also at 1260 Cleveland if you enjoy the 'hit parade'format. From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Jan 21 17:56:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 22 Jan 2002 01:56:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 41042 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2002 01:56:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2002 01:56:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (204.221.28.6) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2002 01:56:43 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-109.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.109]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA11710 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:56:40 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <004201c0a925$f4864c20$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Delco AM Stereo/FM Mono radio :-) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 23:50:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude So is it just their AM mono radios that sound crappy? What I typically identify with the Delco sound is muffled high end, and boomy bass without any real low end to it. Drove a loaner car with one of those. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics In any event, this just means that Delcos > sound better than most other AM Stereo radios, especially with their > very good bass response (according to my tests, on AM it extends all > the way down to 20 Hz, with actually about a 6 dB boost at 80 Hz, even > with the Bass control slider in the center position). From n0uiheric@aol.com Mon Jan 21 18:27:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 22 Jan 2002 02:27:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 47157 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2002 02:27:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2002 02:27:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r08.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.104) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2002 02:27:38 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id r.125.a980300 (3874) for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:27:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <125.a980300.297e2813@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:27:31 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1560 WQEW To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih It's also on 1260 in St. Louis Metro East (WSDZ Belleville, IL). Unfortunately, it's in mono. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://members.aol.com/n0uiheric/TurnOffClearChannel.html http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/turnoffclearchannel From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jan 21 19:18:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 22 Jan 2002 03:18:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 61064 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2002 03:18:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2002 03:18:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.77) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2002 03:18:05 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.151] by n27.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2002 03:18:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 03:18:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Delco AM Stereo/FM Mono radio :-) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004201c0a925$f4864c20$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2047 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.150 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > So is it just their AM mono radios that sound crappy? What I > typically identify with the Delco sound is muffled high end, and > boomy bass without any real low end to it. Drove a loaner car with > one of those. I haven't listened to many Delco mono-AM radios but the two I've heard so far have both been very poor, with annoyingly narrow audio bandwidth. However, as any user of one can agree, the Delco AM Stereo models are very, very good. It's not *the* best I've heard from AM Stereo car radios, but it is lightyears ahead of Delco AM-mono-only radios. Even "narrow" mode sounds a lot better (it is still good enough to meet AMAX specs), and "wide" mode (by pushing in the "AM ST" button, or tuning in a Stereo station on the newer Delco radios without the button) gives you a brighter, crisper sound, without any noticeable distortion or carrier whistles. The boomy bass you hear is typical of car radios driving cheap factory-equipped OEM speakers. All OEM car radios have a built-in low bass boost (even with the bass control in center position) which can make cheap speakers sound "boomy", but with good-quality speakers, it can sound very good. In fact, when one of my friends switched from an OEM Panasonic-made Volkswagen radio to an aftermarket Blaupunkt radio, the sound quality was actually worse -- there was noticeably less bass, even with the Blaupunkt's bass settings at their maximum boost level. OEM/"factory" car radios also usually have a better control layout, with larger, more clearly labelled buttons, easier to read displays, etc. Except for some Blaupunkts I have not seen ANY aftermarket car radios in the past decade that can approach the convenience and ease of use of OEM radios (especially the larger-size GM, Chrysler, and Japanese Double-DIN radios). p.s. One more thing about Delco radios that I like -- there is no muting when changing stations, so you can tune across the dial without having the audio blank out for a half-second every time you change the frequency. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Jan 23 14:01:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 23 Jan 2002 22:01:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 11696 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2002 22:01:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2002 22:01:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14205.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.151) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2002 22:01:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20020123220129.99617.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:01:29 PST Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:01:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: Clear Channel dis-service in Australia To: Dennis AMstereo IAAAS List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Ian, and our friends in Oz: I let a hot letter rip to your editor of The Australian Newspaper about Clear Channel's practices in the USA, and my low opinion of them - let me know if any comes of it. Good luck trying to get rid of that disease from your radio landscape! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From ian_davidson@hotmail.com Wed Jan 23 20:13:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ian_davidson@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 24 Jan 2002 04:13:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 89379 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2002 04:13:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2002 04:13:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.15.80) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2002 04:13:47 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:13:47 -0800 Received: from 138.194.12.136 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 04:13:47 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Test Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:13:47 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2002 04:13:47.0548 (UTC) FILETIME=[85382DC0:01C1A48D] From: "Ian Davidson" X-Originating-IP: [138.194.12.136] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83045090 This is a test message to make sure I can post from this account when I go to Sydney. I plan to return and write a book titled "The Tale of Two Pilots". Ian - Melbourne _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jan 23 20:29:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 24 Jan 2002 04:29:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 98824 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2002 04:29:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2002 04:29:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.81) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2002 04:29:23 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.152] by n31.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2002 04:29:23 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 04:29:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Test Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 192 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.90.22 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > This is a test message to make sure I can post from this account > when I go to Sydney. Yup... you're hitting the repeater 5 by 9, full quieting. (just a little ham radio lingo for you!) From smpoole7@bellsouth.net Thu Jan 24 21:54:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: smpoole7@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 25 Jan 2002 05:54:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 9375 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2002 05:54:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2002 05:54:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.71) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2002 05:54:18 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.142] by n21.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2002 05:42:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 05:54:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Hello and Yo Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1046 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "professorpoole" X-Originating-IP: 209.214.106.21 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25309165 X-Yahoo-Profile: professorpoole Hello; I have just joined this august group of personages. I'm Crawford's engineer in Birmingham (WYDE and WLGS are the culprits in question, both full-time CQUAM stereo). Is my boss, Cris Alexander, posting here? I went to the AM Stereo page earlier this evening and noted that it hadn't been updated for a while. Since Alex had invited me to join the mailing list sometime last year, I felt a little bad at my procrastination. But ... after a little dilligent searching, I found this place, and here I be. I have joined. :) On IBOC: Actually, the AM band could be significantly cleaned up (and would rival analog FM stereo all around) if we'd go to a quasi-single sideband thingy. You'd still have the carrier, but all AM stations would (by government edit, of course) suppress, say, the lower sideband. This would solve most of the monkey-chatter and overlap problems (especially at night). Only problem is, it would require extensive (and expensive) transmitter modifications , especially on older tube boxes .. .. (sigh). From dav259@minerals.csiro.au Fri Jan 25 00:23:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@minerals.csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 25 Jan 2002 08:23:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 99229 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2002 08:23:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2002 08:23:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2002 08:23:41 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25871; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:23:33 +1100 (EST) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:23:32 +1100 (EST) To: Cc: amstereoforum Subject: Re: [amstereo] Couple things... In-Reply-To: <200201250511.g0P5Bfr28146@smtpout1.compass.net.nz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24627097 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Yo Ben What you've done with Alex' page is excellent! And the way you can jump from country to country is good. But should it all still be just one page? Maybe it should be for those determined to scroll through the lot - I'm not sure. I suggest that someone should be appointed to look after a particular region - ie. have the master file for their area in html format to regularly send to you a regular update for you to plonk on the site. For example the US could be broken up into six or seven areas where someone could be the "Big Kahuna" responsible for keeping that areas details up to date. Now what the areas should be - I have no idea. I am willing to have a bash at the Oz listing - and if you send me the source file of what's now showing on screen I think I'm intelligent enough to be able to update the OZ bit according to the current listing I sent you and Kevin T a few weeks ago. I'm not too flash on writing in html codes - but if I see it as a text file I reckon I could work it out. Kevin T hasn't updated the Oz listings on the AM Stereo Advantage site either. I really think this is something we have to come together on as anyone who logs into any AMS site should get the most up to date info. Dennis should have a current listing on our iaaas site as well. Are there perhaps five recruits in the US who would like to look after 10 states? - or perhaps 10 recruits willing to look after five states? We are gradually getting there ... Ian - Melbourne _______________________________________ On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Ben Lennard wrote: > G'day Matt, > > All I'm asking is that someone else looks after keeping that listing up > to date and modifies the page as needed. > > No fancy stuff required. That page (amsstations.html) is so large > already that any fancy stuff will slow down it's download time too much. > > If you are keen to go ahead with it, let me know and I can email you the > source file. > > cheers, > > Mad Scientist of Crofton Downs. From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Jan 25 01:48:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 25 Jan 2002 09:48:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 2463 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2002 09:48:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2002 09:48:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2002 09:48:17 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.41]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 04:43:39 -0500 Message-ID: <008801c1a584$a9a1bda0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hello and Yo Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 04:42:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Welcome Professor! Cris was on the original list a couple years ago, but we need to drag him into this one.... As for IBOC, as you see, implementing this system is very costly, and from my email from the smaller staions, they have no desire to step up to IBOC. Even some of the larger companies, such as Entercom, are using Cquam again. I have been working on buiding am stereo radios and decoders for the past 15 years, and now, with the I-net, I am seeing much more positive feedback. I personally do NOT see AM being "sunsetted" any time soon. When the "big boys" go digital, the little guys will have the best sounding stations, and I will be there supplying radios to their listeners. Many thanks for joining us! Chris Cuff ----- Original Message ----- From: professorpoole To: Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 12:54 AM Subject: {AMSF} Hello and Yo > Hello; I have just joined this august group of personages. I'm > Crawford's engineer in Birmingham From smpoole7@bellsouth.net Fri Jan 25 05:53:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: smpoole7@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 25 Jan 2002 13:53:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 12241 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2002 13:53:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2002 13:53:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.71) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2002 13:53:28 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.144] by n21.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2002 13:41:42 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:53:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Hello and Yo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008801c1a584$a9a1bda0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1102 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "professorpoole" X-Originating-IP: 209.214.105.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25309165 X-Yahoo-Profile: professorpoole > As for IBOC, as you see, implementing this system is very costly Incidentally, my comments about suppressing one of the sidebands would apply for either analog AM or IBOC; I should have been more clear. Further, it would be compatible with most current receivers. But, like I said, it would be expensive -- probably more expensive than IBOC (that could be done at the audio level, pre-processing before transmission). I'm trying to be objective about IBOC. The compression algorithms that are being used nowdays are nothing short of amazing, considering that you can cram two audio channels onto a single telephone circuit, for example. The problem is, *compressed* digital audio sounds OK *until* something happens to upset the "stream." On a dial-up, that can be any momentary glitch or phase shift; in a transmitted signal, any form of interference will do it. The decoder will try to "guess" (ie, handle the dropout) and you get DigiGunk(tm), that wonderful "I'm in a barrel on a roller coaster" audio effect.[g] I've seen your Web site, by the way. Nice job on those radios. :) From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jan 25 09:44:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 25 Jan 2002 17:44:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 20743 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2002 17:44:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2002 17:44:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.61) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2002 17:44:52 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.34] by n11.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2002 17:44:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:44:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Hello and Yo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1246 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 207.200.162.36 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The problem is, *compressed* digital audio sounds OK *until* > something happens to upset the "stream." On a dial-up, that can be > any momentary glitch or phase shift; in a transmitted signal, any > form of interference will do it. The decoder will try to "guess" > (ie, handle the dropout) and you get DigiGunk(tm), that wonderful > "I'm in a barrel on a roller coaster" audio effect.[g] That is exactly the main problem with digital cell phones (PCS, etc.). The commercials for these make such a big deal about the "static" on analog cell phones, but they forget that most people would rather hear completely intelligible voice with a little analog static in it, than voice that is static-free but so garbled with digital compression errors that it is virtually impossible to understand. I think on AM (and even FM) radio, the use of digital technology should be limited to the receiver side, not the transmitter side. Digital Signal Processing (DSP) can do wonderful things like reducing or even eliminating interference and platform motion on the *receiver* side, but on the transmitter side, putting out a digital signal on AM/FM/TV runs into these same problems as many people have experienced with digital cell phones. From smpoole7@bellsouth.net Fri Jan 25 13:34:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: smpoole7@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 25 Jan 2002 21:34:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 52287 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2002 20:46:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2002 20:46:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.54) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2002 20:46:55 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.128] by n4.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2002 20:29:29 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:54:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hello and Yo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008801c1a584$a9a1bda0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1110 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "professorpoole" X-Originating-IP: 209.214.105.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25309165 X-Yahoo-Profile: professorpoole --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Christopher Cuff" wrote: > Welcome Professor! > Cris was on the original list a couple years ago, but we need to drag him > into this one.... > As for IBOC, as you see, implementing this system is very costly, and from > my email from the smaller staions, they have no desire to step up to IBOC. > Even some of the larger companies, such as Entercom, are using Cquam again. > I have been working on buiding am stereo radios and decoders for the past 15 > years, and now, with the I-net, I am seeing much more positive feedback. > I personally do NOT see AM being "sunsetted" any time soon. When the "big > boys" go digital, the little guys will have the best sounding stations, and > I will be there supplying radios to their listeners. > Many thanks for joining us! > Chris Cuff > ----- Original Message ----- > From: professorpoole > To: > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 12:54 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Hello and Yo > > > > Hello; I have just joined this august group of personages. I'm > > Crawford's engineer in Birmingham From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jan 25 13:46:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 25 Jan 2002 21:46:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 56867 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2002 20:42:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2002 20:42:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.76) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2002 20:42:44 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.148] by n26.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2002 20:15:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:37:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Couple things... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 892 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 207.200.162.36 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > For example the US could be broken up into six or seven areas where > someone could be the "Big Kahuna" responsible for keeping that areas > details up to date. Now what the areas should be - I have no idea. U.S. amateur radio operators have a number in their call sign ranging from 0 to 9 depending on what region they're in. The regions are as follows: http://www.hamradiousa.com/callareas.html It's not perfect, but I think it's a pretty good framework upon which to work. I know we have those who prefer an AM Stereo station listing sorted by frequency (i.e. one long list, as found on Alex's site), or sorted by state (as found on the Advantage site), and sorting by these ten regions would be a good compromise. > Kevin T hasn't updated the Oz listings on the AM Stereo Advantage > site either. I have the updated list on my disk, but I just haven't uploaded it yet! From mmalm@btinet.net Fri Jan 25 13:46:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mmalm@btinet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 25 Jan 2002 21:46:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 7187 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2002 20:58:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2002 20:58:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.52) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2002 20:58:38 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.131] by n2.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2002 20:58:38 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 20:58:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: GM radio parts/help Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 886 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "n0faz" X-Originating-IP: 24.220.28.132 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83590293 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0faz Hi all, I pulled the radio out of my 85 fiero before I put it in storage this winter. It's 5 band eq cassete model with AM stereo. Anyway, it's got a couple of little problems I want to take care of. I've got it apart on my work bench and need to find a replacement for the up down buttons volume/tuning controls assembly. The volume up and down have pretty much went in and stayed there! They still work, but you can't feel a thing when you push them. I like the nice "snap" of the other controls yet! The other problem is a intermittent FM stereo decoder. I'm pretty sure this is a bad solder joint problem. When you thump the side of the console with your hand or hit a bump the FM tuner decodes the stereo info and turns the indidcator on. If anybody here could put me on the track of some parts or perhaps a service manual, I'd appreciate it. Thanks! Mark From jsgil@hal-pc.org Fri Jan 25 18:22:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 26 Jan 2002 02:22:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 62926 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2002 02:22:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2002 02:22:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.51) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2002 02:22:33 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.43] by n1.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2002 02:22:33 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 02:22:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Hello and Yo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2086 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.173 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "professorpoole" wrote: > > On IBOC: Actually, the AM band could be significantly cleaned up (and > would rival analog FM stereo all around) if we'd go to a quasi-single > sideband thingy. You'd still have the carrier, but all AM stations > would (by government edit, of course) suppress, say, the lower > sideband. This would solve most of the monkey-chatter and overlap > problems (especially at night). > > Only problem is, it would require extensive (and expensive) > transmitter modifications , especially on older tube boxes .. .. > (sigh). Welcome to the group. Digital transmittions do not work well in noisy enviornments as the porblems with cell phones demonstrate and this may be the downfall of HDTV. Demos of HDTV in stores frequently suffer from pixelization form loss of signal just like DSS does during a rainstorm. DSS does work most of the time though and has an excellent picture or none at all. Given the noise problems particularly associated with the MW band, digital coverage with no drop outs would be much less than analog and forget about any DXing of digital signals. A vestigal sideband like they use for TV transmittion would definitly save spectrum. I wish the FCC could of implemented something like this a long time ago before the advent of digital tuners and shifted the channel spacing to 15KHz. A vestigal sideband of 2.5KHz and the other sideband of 12.5KHz would only ocupy 15KHz of bandwidth where as DSB-AM with 10KHz response occupies 20KHz of bandwidth, a 25% spectrum savings. To try to implement a channel spacing shift now would break all those digital tuners that tune in 10KHz steps. The thechnology is already here to do the sideband thing. Kahn has the PowerSide which does just that and one of his AMS exciters can also be used also. A C-QuAM exciter could also be used if an audio phase shift is applied to the Left & Right inputs in a manner to cause the exciter to produce independent sidebands. From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Jan 25 18:22:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 26 Jan 2002 02:22:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 46747 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2002 02:22:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2002 02:22:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2002 02:22:45 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-225.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.225]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA17343 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 20:22:27 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <004f01c0ac4e$44d96ba0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} GM radio parts/help Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 00:15:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I was able to get a hold of Delco for a service manual to an 86 Chevy Sprint a few years back, so I don't think you'll have too much trouble getting what you need direct from them. Unfortunately I don't remember the phone number. But I think they are still based in Kokomo Indiana. You may find a contact number om the web. A couple possible sources for the switch are Downtown Radio in Denver CO (they do a lot of factory service work); the same for United Radio Service in E. Syracuse NY. A *possible* third option, but I think they do mostly Ford radios now, is Mid States Electronics in Omaha, NE. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: n0faz To: Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 2:58 PM Subject: {AMSF} GM radio parts/help > Hi all, I pulled the radio out of my 85 fiero before I put it in > storage this winter. It's 5 band eq cassete model with AM stereo. > Anyway, it's got a couple of little problems I want to take care of. > I've got it apart on my work bench and need to find a replacement for > the up down buttons volume/tuning controls assembly. The volume up > and down have pretty much went in and stayed there! They still work, > but you can't feel a thing when you push them. I like the > nice "snap" of the other controls yet! The other problem is a > intermittent FM stereo decoder. I'm pretty sure this is a bad solder > joint problem. When you thump the side of the console with your hand > or hit a bump the FM tuner decodes the stereo info and turns the > indidcator on. If anybody here could put me on the track of some > parts or perhaps a service manual, I'd appreciate it. Thanks! > > Mark > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Jan 25 18:26:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 26 Jan 2002 02:26:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 14410 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2002 02:26:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2002 02:26:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2002 02:26:31 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-225.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.225]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA17903 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 20:26:14 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <005901c0ac4e$cbf60b20$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hello and Yo Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 00:19:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Welcome to this list, Professor. I'm a would-be AMS station engineer, but unfortunately Salem doesn't believe in it. Lord knows I've tried. BTW- Crawford tends to clear out the old equipment when buying a station. I'd be interested in some tube transmitters if they've got any they're scrapping. I'd take tube anything- including tower light controllers. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: professorpoole > Hello; I have just joined this august group of personages. I'm > Crawford's engineer in Birmingham (WYDE and WLGS are the culprits in > question, both full-time CQUAM stereo). From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Jan 25 18:40:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 26 Jan 2002 02:40:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 30246 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2002 02:40:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2002 02:40:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2002 02:40:13 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-225.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.225]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA19643 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 20:39:55 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <007901c0ac50$b5ead0c0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <004f01c0ac4e$44d96ba0$d3a9fea9@me> Subject: Re: {AMSF} GM radio parts/help Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 00:33:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude One little PS- the bad solder joint could probably be corrected just by a careful visual search of the circuit board. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd > I was able to get a hold of Delco for a service manual to an 86 Chevy Sprint > ----- Original Message ----- > From: n0faz > > > The other problem is a > > intermittent FM stereo decoder. I'm pretty sure this is a bad solder > > joint problem. From smpoole7@bellsouth.net Fri Jan 25 18:44:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: smpoole7@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 26 Jan 2002 02:44:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 19967 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2002 02:44:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2002 02:44:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.63) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2002 02:44:02 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.143] by n13.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2002 02:29:09 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 02:43:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hello and Yo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005901c0ac4e$cbf60b20$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1273 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "professorpoole" X-Originating-IP: 209.214.107.47 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25309165 X-Yahoo-Profile: professorpoole --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Scott Todd" wrote: > I'd be interested in some tube transmitters if they've got any > they're scrapping. If you'll pay the shipping (or come get it, if you don't mind the drive!), I've got an old Gates BC-1G that you could use for parts. (That's the classic with 4 833A's in a row.) That's about all you could use it for; it's in terrible condition. When we bought the station, Hibernia was using it for nighttime, and I don't know how they kept it on the air. (Of course, they didn't really care; it was a Radio Disney format -- mostly kids, mostly daytime.) The old Collins 50Kw unit has been sold, so I can't help you there. :) RE Salem and AMS: most large groups (as youse guys already know) hate it for some reason. To be honest with you, I'd never used it until I moved here to Birmingham, but now I'm sold on it. Anyone who thinks that it damages loudness or coverage is welcome to listen to WYDE anytime -- day or night. In fact, I challenge them to do so. We're the loudest, cleanest monster on the dial. :) One reason why I like working with Cris is because he doesn't consider AM a throwaway; we take pride in our airsound. WYDE is all talk, but the production is in stereo and it sounds delicious.[g] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jan 25 20:46:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 26 Jan 2002 04:46:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 4632 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2002 04:46:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2002 04:46:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.52) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2002 04:46:10 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.115] by n2.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2002 04:46:10 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 04:46:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Hello and Yo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1231 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.68.24 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > To try to implement a channel spacing shift now would break all > those digital tuners that tune in 10KHz steps. The only possibility is if the AM band is really cleared out (most likely after the addition of a third North American broadcasting band, be it 82-88 MHz or UHF) would be to expand the channel spacing to 20 kHz. Thus people with 10 kHz-spacing digital radios would tune every other step, just as with the increasing number of FM radios that tune in 0.1 MHz increments (98.1, 98.2, 98.3, 98.4, etc.). In this case the existing 10 kHz frequency response would be 100% splatter-free to adjacent channels. The best part about using double the channel spacing is that a wide-band IF and audio response would become the norm, since adjacent channel interference would be a thing of the past. And also that annoying 10 kHz intercarrier whistle would be gone for good! Perhaps during daylight hours, stations could use full 15 kHz audio response as that would only cause a mild amount of high-frequency splatter to adjacent (20 kHz-spaced) stations, which would not be noticed except on long-distance signals. At sunset the switch to 10 kHz audio response would be mandatory to maintain a clear band. From rjskadl@yahoo.com Fri Jan 25 22:30:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 26 Jan 2002 06:29:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 2486 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2002 06:29:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2002 06:29:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.77) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2002 06:29:55 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.35] by n27.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2002 06:29:53 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 06:29:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: BE AM1 Exciter Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 982 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl The Exciter on the BE AM1 (as well as many of the new BE AM TXs) has built in AM Stereo Capability. HOWEVER, It is set up so that you can input Left and Right Audio, or Bypass the internal Exciter altogether and use an external Stereo RF Exciter. What you can not apparently do is input Matrixed Audio into the Exciter. Now many of us here in the AM Stereo Forum know that the best way to process AM Stereo is in Matrix (L+R)&(L-R) rather than Discrete (L)& (R). Then why would BE build an AM Stereo exciter That does not let you do this? Is there any way to input the Processed Matrix Audio into the BE AM1 Exciter? Is it possible that we missed something hidden in the manual somewhere? If not then we are going to have to compromize the Mono Audio signal of the station(s) in question or spend even more money (which I highly doubt will happen) on an external AM Stereo Exciter. Any Ideas or suggestions on this matter will be greatly appreciated. -Rusty From smpoole7@bellsouth.net Fri Jan 25 23:51:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: smpoole7@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 26 Jan 2002 07:51:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 54909 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2002 07:51:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2002 07:51:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.82) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2002 07:51:29 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.181] by n32.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2002 07:51:28 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 07:51:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: BE AM1 Exciter Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2006 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "professorpoole" X-Originating-IP: 209.214.106.204 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25309165 X-Yahoo-Profile: professorpoole --- In amstereoforum@y..., "rjskadl" wrote: > Now many of us here in the AM Stereo Forum know that the best way to > process AM Stereo is in Matrix (L+R)&(L-R) rather than Discrete (L)& > (R). Any decent AM stereo processor will handle the audio in matrix form internally, even if it has discrete left and right outputs. My Optimod is a prime example: discrete L and R is standard, L+R/L-R is an available option. I use mine in discrete mode because Nautel also defaults to discrete inputs. If your processor has separate L and R output controls (as opposed to L+R and L-R pots) it'll take a little more patience to tweak for full modulation, but once you get used to it, it's not that big of a deal. I generally tweak left to about 90%, then bring up the right channel for minimal L-R on a mono signal (such as a voice program). Then I start tweaking left and right in tiny bumps until I get the desired 95% total. > Is there any way to input the Processed Matrix Audio > into the BE AM1 Exciter? If your processor only offers matrixed output, you can split the audio back to discrete yourself. You simply do the same thing that a decoder chip would do: sum L+R+(L-R) to get discrete Left, then sum L+R+(R-L) (ie, L-R inverted) to get discrete Right. Any decent audio opamp, such as the NE5532, works fine for this. If you're in a hurry or have a very strict budget, and your processor offers balanced transformerless outputs (virtually all of them do, nowadays) you may not even need the opamps. Simply build a little resistor pad-widget that will sum the signals as described. Unless that BE requires a phenomenal amount of drive, you should have enough headroom in the processor to run it up to full modulation. At any rate, you most assuredly do *NOT* have to buy a new exciter! If you need a schematic or more help, email me at smpoole7@bellsouth.net. You can build it in an evening and everyone will be convinced that you're a walking, talking hero. :) From dav259@minerals.csiro.au Fri Jan 25 23:55:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@minerals.csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 26 Jan 2002 07:54:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 4515 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2002 07:54:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2002 07:54:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2002 07:54:56 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16819; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 18:54:54 +1100 (EST) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 18:54:53 +1100 (EST) To: amstereoforum Cc: Subject: Station Listings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24627097 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, kevtronics wrote: > > For example the US could be broken up into six or seven areas where > > someone could be the "Big Kahuna" responsible for keeping that areas > > details up to date. Now what the areas should be - I have no idea. > > U.S. amateur radio operators have a number in their call sign ranging > from 0 to 9 depending on what region they're in. The regions are as > follows: > > http://www.hamradiousa.com/callareas.html Kevin - I can't get this page to load - even dropping the callareas.html bit. Can you copy the relevant bits here as text? Getting the station listings up to date should be paramount. It's dreadfully out of date and new AMS stations need to be on it! And stations which have dropped the ball don't deserve to be on it. It's also something that technical dummies like me - and I expect many others - can do for the good of the cause. I haven't noticed a flood of volunteers ... funny about that. Thanks Dave in Marietta for your offer - perhaps you could look after the 49 mainland states - and I'll take Hawaii. :) Ian - Melbourne From smpoole7@bellsouth.net Fri Jan 25 23:57:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: smpoole7@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 26 Jan 2002 07:57:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 36356 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2002 07:57:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2002 07:57:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.74) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2002 07:57:15 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.46] by n24.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2002 07:57:15 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 07:57:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: BE AM1 Exciter Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 279 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "professorpoole" X-Originating-IP: 209.214.106.204 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25309165 X-Yahoo-Profile: professorpoole rjskadl, Well, I'm still getting used to this software here. When I go to post the message, it asks for me to login a second time. When I do, the post reappears with no text in it. Hopefully, you can figure out my email address if you need it. I'm at bellsouth - dot - net. From davidm34@bellsouth.net Sat Jan 26 07:16:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: davidm34@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 26 Jan 2002 15:16:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 43388 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2002 15:16:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2002 15:16:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf07bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.147) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2002 15:16:17 -0000 Received: from your318ruqz03z ([65.80.67.134]) by imf07bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.00 201-253-122-122-20010827) with SMTP id <20020126151732.DQSY13958.imf07bis.bellsouth.net@your318ruqz03z>; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:17:32 -0500 Message-ID: <008701c1a67c$6253a910$0000a398@your318ruqz03z> To: "Ian Davidson" , "amstereoforum" References: Subject: Re: Station Listings Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:16:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "David Mitchell" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Ian, No problem with that. However I thought it would be nice if we could get volunteers to cover the states and surrounding states that they reside or work in as they would be the first ones to note any changes in what stations have discontinued or started broadcasting in AM Stereo. At the same time, there may not be that many people in the group that feel comfortable with working on HTML and web pages. I must admit that even though I know all about HTML, building computers, networking, etc. I don't know much at all when it comes to broadcasting equipment like alot of guys on the list do so this would hopefully be another way I could help out the group. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Davidson" To: "amstereoforum" Cc: Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 2:54 AM Subject: Station Listings > I haven't noticed a flood of volunteers ... funny about that. > > Thanks Dave in Marietta for your offer - perhaps you could look after the > 49 mainland states - and I'll take Hawaii. :) > > Ian - Melbourne > > > From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sat Jan 26 08:54:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 26 Jan 2002 16:54:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 63803 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2002 16:54:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2002 16:54:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11707.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.73) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2002 16:54:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20020126165449.45296.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.80.147.50] by web11707.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 08:54:49 PST Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 08:54:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Station Listings To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <008701c1a67c$6253a910$0000a398@your318ruqz03z> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I'll take either the W1 or W4 area. 73, Jay,N1WVQ/4 St. Augustine, Fl. 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Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From raydtuner@yahoo.com Sat Jan 26 09:25:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: raydtuner@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 26 Jan 2002 17:25:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 36491 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2002 17:25:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2002 17:25:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.65) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2002 17:25:22 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.163] by n15.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2002 17:24:46 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 17:25:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Station Listings Update Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 400 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "raydtuner" X-Originating-IP: 67.211.8.31 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92072182 X-Yahoo-Profile: raydtuner There would be prominent advertising in the Cleveland area for a stereo addition, as that would be kind of sensational entertainment /communications news. I can tune CFCO 630 most nights, but stations like 740 Toronto are stronger and more listenable - without stereo.Most of the public is unaware of AM stereo tuning. FM is VERY popular here.--Ray http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/am-radio From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Jan 26 13:30:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 26 Jan 2002 21:30:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 26915 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2002 21:30:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2002 21:30:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.5) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2002 21:30:07 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id r.89.128766f5 (3966) for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 16:30:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <89.128766f5.298479db@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 16:30:03 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} BE AM1 Exciter To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 1/26/02 1:32:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, rjskadl@yahoo.com writes: << The Exciter on the BE AM1 (as well as many of the new BE AM TXs) has built in AM Stereo Capability. HOWEVER, It is set up so that you can input Left and Right Audio, or Bypass the internal Exciter altogether and use an external Stereo RF Exciter. What you can not apparently do is input Matrixed Audio into the Exciter. >> <> Very much correct.....Rjskadl,your exciter should have come with a manual that gives you a full detailed step by step way on how to set the audio into the exciter.This usually requires several steps to perform..some of the steps you may have to repeat during set-up. Delta which makes stereo exciters is very good about this. If you dont have any paper work on that BE exciter,I'm sure either BE can supply you with one or someone on the list may have access to a manual that they could copy for you. 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E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jan 26 15:17:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 26 Jan 2002 23:17:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 99748 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2002 23:17:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2002 23:17:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.53) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2002 23:17:44 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.133] by n3.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2002 23:17:42 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 23:17:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Happy Australia Day Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 243 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.129 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I realise that due to time zone differences it's probably over by now, but I'd just like to wish a happy Australia Day (Jan. 26th) to all the Aussies in this group! You are lucky to live in a country with so many fine AM Stereo stations. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jan 26 15:25:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 26 Jan 2002 23:25:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 48871 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2002 23:25:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2002 23:25:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.85) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2002 23:25:51 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.46] by n35.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2002 23:25:44 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 23:25:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Station Listings Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 531 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.129 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Kevin - I can't get this page to load - even dropping the > callareas.html bit. > Can you copy the relevant bits here as text? If you still can't get that site to work (although it works fine for me), I copied the map over to my server at: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~ktekel/callmap.gif The map is pretty much self-explanatory, although keep in mind that the entire state of Michigan is in "8" territory, even though the map is missing the red dividing line to separate the upper peninsula of Michigan from "9" territory. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jan 26 15:49:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 26 Jan 2002 23:49:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 71575 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2002 23:49:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2002 23:49:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.61) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2002 23:49:16 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.119] by n11.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2002 23:48:50 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 23:48:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Station Listings Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008701c1a67c$6253a910$0000a398@your318ruqz03z> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1268 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.129 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > At the same time, there may not be that many people in the group > that feel comfortable with working on HTML and web pages. Then why not maintain the station listing in plain text format? That is what I do on the AM Stereo Advantage site because it is the easiest. I also politely suggest that an alpabetical sort by call sign is not the most logical format. A sort by frequency is more intuitive, especially for people who have discovered an AM Stereo station (especially by nighttime DX) that is new to them and they know its frequency but not its call sign. 300,000-watt France Bleu on 864 kHz in Paris, France also seems to be missing from the list. Contrary to the report on Alex's last update of the listing, France Bleu is still broadcasting in AM Stereo! And for those who prefer a USA listing sorted by state, one can be found on the AM Stereo Advantage web site at: http://www.geocities.com/amstereoexp/stations.htm As you can see, the index page is HTML, but the actual listings are simple text files. That makes them the easiest to keep up-to-date, and also to easiest to print out! Just today I have updated the Australia listing. Help would be appreciated in sorting out the "unverified" stations at the bottom of the list! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jan 26 15:57:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 26 Jan 2002 23:57:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 8796 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2002 23:56:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2002 23:56:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.78) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2002 23:56:57 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.161] by n28.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2002 23:56:28 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 23:33:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: BE AM1 Exciter Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 518 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.129 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Well, I'm still getting used to this software here. When I go to > post the message, it asks for me to login a second time. When I do, > the post reappears with no text in it. Make sure you are logged into your Yahoo account before you go to post a message. If you still get problems, also make sure your web browser is set up to accept "cookies" as Yahoo uses them to keep track of who you are logged in as. If your web browser does not accept cookies then Yahoo will constantly pester you to log in again. From dav259@minerals.csiro.au Sat Jan 26 16:00:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@minerals.csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 27 Jan 2002 00:00:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 18272 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2002 00:00:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2002 00:00:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2002 00:00:44 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA20600 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 11:00:42 +1100 (EST) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 11:00:41 +1100 (EST) To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Station Listings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24627097 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sat, 26 Jan 2002, kevtronics wrote: > If you still can't get that site to work (although it works fine for > me), I copied the map over to my server at: > > http://remus.rutgers.edu/~ktekel/callmap.gif Thanks Kevin It looks a good starting option but areas 0, 4, 5, and 7 may need to be broken up somewhat - they are huge. I don't think the non-ability to write html should cause too much af a problem. If someone was responible for keeping their list up to date they could foward the list to another volunteer who could stick it in html and send it onto Ben. We are a team. Thanks for your "Australia Day" wishes. At least we get Monday off but most people here don't see that there's much to celebrate. Most countries celebrate an event that gained them their freedom or independence. Australia Day is almost as often called Invasion Day - it was the day in 1788 when the Britsh Imperial forces raised the Union Jack and started killing and dispossessing the Aborigines. Australia didn't officially exist till 1901. Most people seem to think this would be a more appropriate thing to celebrate. It would either be 1 January (not popular as we'd lose the New Years Day holiday and we like our holidays!) or the day in May when the first federal parliament had their first of 26 years of sitting at the Exhibition Buildings (and later Victoria's Houses of Parliament) here in Melbourne. From dav259@minerals.csiro.au Sat Jan 26 16:13:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@minerals.csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 27 Jan 2002 00:13:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 9430 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2002 00:13:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2002 00:13:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2002 00:13:20 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA20956 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 11:13:18 +1100 (EST) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 11:13:18 +1100 (EST) To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Station Listings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24627097 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sat, 26 Jan 2002, kevtronics wrote: > > At the same time, there may not be that many people in the group > > that feel comfortable with working on HTML and web pages. > > Then why not maintain the station listing in plain text format? That > is what I do on the AM Stereo Advantage site because it is the > easiest. I agree - if texts is easier - it's more important to get it wright. I also like if in frequency order. > Just today I have updated the Australia listing. Help would be > appreciated in sorting out the "unverified" stations at the bottom of > the list! Unfortunately Kevin ... 3GG - 531 AM STEREO Warragul, Vic, Australia (Oldies) ??? 4QR - 612 AM STEREO Brisbane, Qld, Australia (Talk/Variety; ABC 2BL - 702 AM STEREO Sydney, NSW, Australia (Talk/Variety; ABC Sydney) 6PR - 882 AM STEREO Perth, WA, Australia (News/Talk) ??? 7ZR - 936 AM STEREO Hobart, Tas, Australia (Full Service) ??? 2UE - 954 AM STEREO Sydney, NSW, Australia (Talk) ??? 2KY - 1017 AM STEREO Sydney, NSW, Australia (Sports) ??? 5DN - 1323 AM STEREO Adelaide, SA, Australia (Easy Listening) ??? 3AK - 1503 AM STEREO Melbourne, Vic, Australia (Full Service) ??? ... can all be deleted. 3AK moved to 1116 and appears in the list above. There's a fair chance that 6PR, 2UE, 2KY, and 5DN may return to the fold - most of the others are ABC stations that are poorly funded by the govt. Also Clear Channel soon has to sell either 4KQ or 4BH so there's another chance for one of them. Ian From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Jan 26 16:54:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 27 Jan 2002 00:54:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 7414 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2002 00:54:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2002 00:54:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2002 00:54:09 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-200.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.200]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA11684 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 18:53:52 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <002901c1a6cd$1a13db60$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hello and Yo Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 18:53:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Isn't WLGS the old WCRT? What ever happened to black gospel in Birmingham? Last I was through there in Sept. 99 (shortly after Floyd nailed the east coast), 1260 was running BG and it sounded great, except one of the CD players had no audio in one channel. Scott Todd PS- Where is Hibernia? If I can't get it, I may know someone else in the region that does. ----- Original Message ----- From: professorpoole > If you'll pay the shipping (or come get it, if you don't mind the > drive!), I've got an old Gates BC-1G that you could use for parts. From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Jan 26 17:03:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 27 Jan 2002 01:02:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 7761 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2002 01:02:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2002 01:02:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2002 01:02:54 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-200.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.200]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA12465 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:02:37 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <004e01c1a6ce$531d7dc0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Station Listings Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:02:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I do an occasional bandscan, but very little has changed for some time. When I go traveling I also check for stations. I can cover MN and western WI. Not enough vacation time accrued to do much traveling, though. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Davidson > I haven't noticed a flood of volunteers ... funny about that. From Bossmsx@aol.com Sat Jan 26 20:37:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 27 Jan 2002 04:37:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 45846 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2002 04:37:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2002 04:37:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2002 04:37:12 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id r.116.b41d4d0 (25713) for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 23:37:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <116.b41d4d0.2984ddf0@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 23:37:04 EST Subject: Kevin's AM Stereo Station list. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP US sub 50 From: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin: Just took a look at your AMS list...Florida stations look good, only WODX/Marco Island is better described as Adult Standards/"Vacation Radio"..Then again, the entire listing for WODX may need deleting, as I noticed NO pilot tone when I was last over there. What do the listings with an asterisk mean? I noticed an asterisk next to WDIZ/Panama City, Fl...While I have not heard them, I question their stereo status, since they are now owned by Clear Channel.. Tony S/Miami [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From smpoole7@bellsouth.net Sat Jan 26 20:58:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: smpoole7@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 27 Jan 2002 04:58:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 32929 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2002 04:58:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2002 04:58:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.70) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2002 04:58:49 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.170] by n20.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2002 04:48:23 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 04:58:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: BE AM1 Exciter Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 926 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "professorpoole" X-Originating-IP: 209.214.107.11 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25309165 X-Yahoo-Profile: professorpoole --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > Make sure you are logged into your Yahoo account before you go to > post a message ... Dun dat ... > If you still get problems, also make sure your web browser > is set up to accept "cookies" ... Dun dat. The wierd thing now is that it says I am perpetually logged in. Let's see wha' happens when I post this one. What's been happening is, if I post a message, Yahoo says, "your message has been posted;" I click "continue" and get the "this is an advertising-supported thingie" (complete with the image of that gaunt, anemic-looking girl next to the digital camera). When I click "continue," about half the time it asks me to log in. When I do, I'm kicked all the way out to the main Yahoo Groups screen. Sometimes. Not all the time. Actually, it's been behaving fairly well today, and I ain't gonna complain. After all, it's a free board! :) From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jan 26 21:27:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 27 Jan 2002 05:27:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 45658 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2002 05:27:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2002 05:27:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.85) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2002 05:27:20 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.169] by n35.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2002 05:27:20 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 05:27:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kevin's AM Stereo Station list. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <116.b41d4d0.2984ddf0@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 626 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.129 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > What do the listings with an asterisk mean? I noticed an asterisk > next to WDIZ/Panama City, Fl...While I have not heard them, I > question their stereo status, since they are now owned by Clear > Channel.. For now, ignore any funny marks you may see on the listings, as these are ways for myself to keep track of the recent updates to the list and they don't really mean anything to anybody else. The only exception is if it you see ** (two asterisks) at the end of a line, which indicates that that particular station is currently in mono, pending repair or (re)installation of AM Stereo transmission equipment. From smpoole7@bellsouth.net Sat Jan 26 21:33:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: smpoole7@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 27 Jan 2002 05:32:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 72172 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2002 05:32:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2002 05:32:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.70) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2002 05:32:57 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.24] by n20.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2002 05:22:31 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 05:32:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hello and Yo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002901c1a6cd$1a13db60$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 303 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "professorpoole" X-Originating-IP: 209.214.107.11 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25309165 X-Yahoo-Profile: professorpoole --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Scott Todd" wrote: > Isn't WLGS the old WCRT? Yup! The tower is still downtown, too, on a site formerly occupied by a church. There's still plenty of black gospel here; 610, 1220 and 1320 all do it. See http://members.aol.com/almediapage/birmingham.html From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jan 26 21:34:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 27 Jan 2002 05:34:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 40436 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2002 05:34:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2002 05:34:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.66) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2002 05:34:30 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.165] by n16.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2002 05:33:28 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 05:34:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: BE AM1 Exciter Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1027 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.129 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > What's been happening is, if I post a message, Yahoo says, "your > message has been posted;" I click "continue" The best thing to do after you post a message and get the "your message has been posted" on your screen, is to simply click on "Messages" in the garishly bright green bar on the left side of the screen. In fact that's what I'm going to do myself after I post this message. In your case I would recommend *not* clicking on "Continue" after you post a message. BTW, if you turn off JavaScript and automatic image loading in your web browser, the Internet suddenly becomes a lot quicker, more convienent, and less filled with annoying advertising. For image-intensive web sites, you can click on each picture individually to pop it up on the screen, or click on "Images" in the tool bar to load all images on the current web site. (Or at least that is the way it works in Netscape 3.0.) And then if you come across a web site that needs JavaScript, you can always turn that on manually as well. From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Jan 27 00:43:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 27 Jan 2002 08:43:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 1418 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2002 08:43:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2002 08:43:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r07.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.103) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2002 08:43:17 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id r.192.1b5ff31 (18558) for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 03:43:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <192.1b5ff31.2985179f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 03:43:11 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kevin's AM Stereo Station list. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih The listing for WCBW 1510 Highland, IL should also be deleted (if not already); the station never converted to AM Stereo. The WCBW calls are now on 880 kHz; 1510 has become WDID. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://members.aol.com/n0uiheric/TurnOffClearChannel.html http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/turnoffclearchannel From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jan 27 15:31:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 27 Jan 2002 23:31:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 21048 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2002 23:31:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2002 23:31:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.78) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2002 23:31:01 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.40] by n28.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2002 23:31:01 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 23:31:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kevin's AM Stereo Station list. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <192.1b5ff31.2985179f@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 559 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.90.41 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The listing for WCBW 1510 Highland, IL should also be deleted (if > not already); the station never converted to AM Stereo. The WCBW > calls are now on 880 kHz; 1510 has become WDID. 1510 WCBW/WDID is not on the latest update of the list so I must have already removed it. BTW, if any of you are running your own low-power AM Stereo transmitters, Alfredo Lite or otherwise, I'd be happy to include your "station" on the list. Just let me know the frequency, location, "call sign" or on-air name, and what programming format you usually broadcast. From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Jan 27 15:33:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 27 Jan 2002 23:33:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 99418 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2002 23:33:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2002 23:33:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2002 23:33:15 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-199.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.199]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA19113 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:32:55 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <002301c1a78a$f727f140$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hello and Yo Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:32:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Couldn't get into the site for some reason. Any of them stereo? BTW, where is that Gates 1G you were telling me about? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: professorpoole > There's still plenty of black gospel here; 610, 1220 and 1320 all do > it. See > > http://members.aol.com/almediapage/birmingham.html > From smpoole7@bellsouth.net Sun Jan 27 16:34:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: smpoole7@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 28 Jan 2002 00:34:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 47269 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2002 00:34:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2002 00:34:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.62) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2002 00:34:12 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.146] by n12.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2002 00:34:12 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 00:34:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hello and Yo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002301c1a78a$f727f140$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 748 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "professorpoole" X-Originating-IP: 209.214.107.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25309165 X-Yahoo-Profile: professorpoole --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Scott Todd" wrote: > http://members.aol.com/almediapage/birmingham.html > Couldn't get into the site for some reason. Any of them stereo? Maybe it was temporarily out of service (we ARE talking about AOL, remember[g]). I just checked it a while ago and it was working fine. According to that page, WYDE 850, WATV 900, WLGS 1260 and WJLD 1400 are the only stereo AMs in the market. That would jive with what I've heard, too. > BTW, where is that Gates 1G you were telling me about? 'Tis in Birmingham (well, at the WYDE site north of Tarrant City, to be exact). Be warned that, when I say it's good for parts, that's exactly what I mean: it could go on the air, but only at about 50% modulation. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Jan 27 17:27:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 28 Jan 2002 01:27:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 94491 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2002 01:27:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2002 01:27:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11701.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.67) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2002 01:27:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20020128012727.39138.qmail@web11701.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.80.147.50] by web11701.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:27:27 PST Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:27:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Kevin's AM Stereo Station list. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Please add LPAMS station "WESA"/1000-Davis Shores, St. Augustine, Fl.. Format: varied music. Mainly rock. 73, Jay,N1WVQ WESA/1000 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jan 27 20:18:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 28 Jan 2002 04:18:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 66499 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2002 04:18:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2002 04:18:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.81) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2002 04:18:41 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.155] by n31.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2002 04:18:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 04:18:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kevin's AM Stereo Station list. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020128012727.39138.qmail@web11701.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 215 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.90.41 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Please add LPAMS station "WESA"/1000-Davis Shores, St. Augustine, > Fl.. Format: varied music. Mainly rock. Done! And some sample recordings of "WESA" would be great if you have the capability to do so.... From rfinder@telusplanet.net Mon Jan 28 15:34:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rfinder@telusplanet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 28 Jan 2002 23:34:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 87681 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2002 23:34:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2002 23:34:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.64) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2002 23:34:27 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.35] by n14.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2002 23:36:12 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 23:34:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM Stereo List Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 659 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "i2thesky2001" X-Originating-IP: 142.173.138.146 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public From Your West Canadian Correspondent, Richard Please Update The Master AM Stereo List.... These Stations Are Not Broadcasting In AM Stereo.... 660 CFFR Calgary, Alberta 700 CKRD Red Deer, Alberta (now CHUB-FM 105.5) 790 CFCW Camrose/Edmonton, Alberta (Mono since Dec 2001) 1170 CKGY Red Deer, Alberta (now CKGY-FM 95.5) 620 CKCK Regina, Saskatchewan (signed off Sept. 2001, Now 620 CKRM, Regina broadcasting in Mono, though Stereo exciter still in place) 600 CJWW Saskatoon, Saskatchewan (mono programming, Stereo light in place) As for Vancouver, BC, Lots of changes have taken place, Will send more confirmed reports as I pick up the sky waves. From rfinder@telusplanet.net Mon Jan 28 18:22:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rfinder@telusplanet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 29 Jan 2002 02:22:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 66452 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2002 02:22:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2002 02:22:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.75) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2002 02:22:22 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.129] by n25.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2002 02:20:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 02:22:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo List Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 760 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "i2thesky2001" X-Originating-IP: 142.173.138.146 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public --- In amstereoforum@y..., "i2thesky2001" wrote: > From Your West Canadian Correspondent, Richard > > Please Update The Master AM Stereo List.... > > These Stations Are Not Broadcasting In AM Stereo.... > > 660 CFFR Calgary, Alberta > 700 CKRD Red Deer, Alberta (now CHUB-FM 105.5) > 790 CFCW Camrose/Edmonton, Alberta (Mono since Dec 2001) > 1170 CKGY Red Deer, Alberta (now CKGY-FM 95.5) > 620 CKCK Regina, Saskatchewan (signed off Sept. 2001, Now 620 CKRM, > Regina > broadcasting in Mono, though Stereo exciter still in place) > 600 CJWW Saskatoon, Saskatchewan (mono programming, Stereo light in > place) > > As for Vancouver, BC, Lots of changes have taken place, Will send more > confirmed reports as I pick up the sky waves. From rfinder@telusplanet.net Mon Jan 28 18:25:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rfinder@telusplanet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 29 Jan 2002 02:25:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 789 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2002 02:25:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2002 02:25:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.66) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2002 02:25:24 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.43] by n16.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2002 02:24:22 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 02:25:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM Stereo, Grande Prarie, Alberta Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 110 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "i2thesky2001" X-Originating-IP: 142.173.138.146 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public More bad news. CJXX 830, Grande Praire,Alberta is now CJXX-FM 93.1 Please delete that from your Canada List. From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Jan 28 18:45:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 29 Jan 2002 02:45:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 75123 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2002 02:45:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2002 02:45:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2002 02:45:28 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-206.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.206]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA08304 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:45:01 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001701c1a86e$ff440000$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hello and Yo Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:44:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude That may be a bit far to go if you need it out of there really soon, but perhaps this summer. As long as the heavy iron is OK, poor modulation is mostly a matter of weak tubes and bad resistors. Is it just poor maintenance or has it been hacked into- lots of new holes and such? Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: professorpoole > > BTW, where is that Gates 1G you were telling me about? > > 'Tis in Birmingham (well, at the WYDE site north of Tarrant City, to > be exact). Be warned that, when I say it's good for parts, that's > exactly what I mean: it could go on the air, but only at about 50% > modulation. From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Jan 28 18:47:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 29 Jan 2002 02:47:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 6658 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2002 02:47:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2002 02:47:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2002 02:47:19 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-206.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.206]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA08638 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:46:55 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <002601c1a86f$3f44e340$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo List Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:46:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Please send along some e/snail mail addresses so I can inquire about the stereo equipment. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: i2thesky2001 To: Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 5:34 PM Subject: {AMSF} AM Stereo List > From Your West Canadian Correspondent, Richard > > Please Update The Master AM Stereo List.... > > These Stations Are Not Broadcasting In AM Stereo.... > From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Jan 28 18:55:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 29 Jan 2002 02:55:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 48285 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2002 02:55:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2002 02:55:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2002 02:55:18 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-206.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.206]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA09932 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:55:02 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <002d01c1a870$5ef802c0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo, Grande Prarie, Alberta Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:54:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Oh boy- possibly more goodies. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: i2thesky2001 To: Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 8:25 PM Subject: {AMSF} AM Stereo, Grande Prarie, Alberta > More bad news. CJXX 830, Grande Praire,Alberta is now CJXX-FM 93.1 > > Please delete that from your Canada List. > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jan 28 20:02:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 29 Jan 2002 04:01:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 89838 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2002 04:01:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2002 04:01:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.53) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2002 04:01:55 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.153] by n3.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2002 04:01:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 04:01:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo, Grande Prarie, Alberta Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002d01c1a870$5ef802c0$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1721 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.133 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > > More bad news. CJXX 830, Grande Praire,Alberta is now CJXX-FM 93.1 > > Please delete that from your Canada List. Speaking of an AM Stereo station moving to FM, can anybody provide for me an explanation why AM Stereo audio processing won't work on FM? I know what gives AM Stereo its great sound and Stereo separation is that the L+R (mono sum) and L-R (Stereo difference) components of the audio are independently processed and compressed. This retains full loudness and mono compatibility without sacrificing Stereo separation. But for some reason, it is claimed that this doesn't work on FM, so FM stations have to process the Left and Right channels individually, which kills the Stereo separation. (For example, if the audio is heavily on the Left channel only, that reduces loudness for Mono listeners, so to compensate, the level of the Right channel is increased, and that reduces Stereo separation.) Why is this so? Why can't FM process L+R and L-R like with AM Stereo? And is it a technical matter with the MPX system, or is it only a matter of FM stations striving for extreme loudness? For example, if I set up my own low-power FM Stereo transmitter, could I use AM-Stereo-style L+R/L-R processing to get better Stereo separation at the expense of some loudness? Just wondering out loud here.... if you really want to get a feel for the difference between AM Stereo and FM Stereo, set up a stereo system with "matrix" surround sound speakers... these surround speakers will be carrying the L-R component, and you'll notice that the output from them is much quieter on FM than it is on AM Stereo, or from direct CDs/tapes/records -- an indication of reduced Stereo separation. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Jan 28 22:49:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 29 Jan 2002 06:49:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 41066 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2002 06:49:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2002 06:49:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11707.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.73) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2002 06:49:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20020129064930.95678.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.80.147.50] by web11707.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:49:30 PST Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:49:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Kevin's AM Stereo Station list. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I wish I had the capability to do so, but I don't. So, if anyone is in the area (mainly a block around the apartment) please tune in if we're on the air. Kev, what are you using for processing? I can't get my XMTR. to sound that good, but then again I am bound to a single frequency which gets QRM from the Class A station (1000/WMVP). I am looking to move to 1640. I need the fourth multiple of that (6.76MHz). Thanx for the info & 73, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jan 29 17:45:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 30 Jan 2002 01:45:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 9624 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2002 01:45:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2002 01:45:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.73) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2002 01:45:32 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.129] by n23.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2002 01:45:32 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 01:45:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM Stereo 20 years ago Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1474 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.178 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics In another radio discussion group, a current topic is the upcoming 20th anniversary of the demise of music at 770 WABC in New York City, and this article was submitted: http://musicradio.computer.net/other/superadio.jpg It is mostly about "Superadio", the all-star ABC satellite music service (featuring former MusicRadio WABC DJ's) that was cancelled before it even began, due to a lack of affiliate stations. However, if you scroll down a bit, you'll see a blurb about 66 WNBC's desire to broadcast in Kahn AM Stereo, and of course there is the obligatory joke about how Stereo would enhance their afternoon show, then hosted by Howard Stern. This was printed in April 1982, and considering typical publication lag times, 660 WNBC was undoubtedly thinking of AM Stereo right from the start, and when the FCC finally approved its use in March 1982, it didn't take long for them to live up to their intentions and start broadcasting in Kahn AM Stereo, later switched to C-Quam, which continues to this day on WFAN Sports Radio 66. So, is it correct that WNBC was the first NYC station to broadcast in AM Stereo? Regardless of when their Stereo broadcasts actually began, 660 WNBC/WFAN should be commended for nearly two decades of continuous top-quality AM Stereo broadcasting! (Well, they actually tested Kahn PowerSide for a week or two, but quickly gave it up because it didn't improve their signal at all and prevented the use of AM Stereo.) From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Jan 29 17:46:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 30 Jan 2002 01:46:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 53748 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2002 01:46:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2002 01:46:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2002 01:46:04 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-194.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.194]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA19948 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:45:37 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <002801c1a92f$de9be400$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo, Grande Prarie, Alberta Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:45:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I don't think you'd lose any loudness. The only difference between an AMS and matrix FM processor would be the AMS needs an extra bit of limiting during single channel modulation. ST > And is it a technical matter with the MPX system, or is it only a > matter of FM stations striving for extreme loudness? For example, if > I set up my own low-power FM Stereo transmitter, could I use > AM-Stereo-style L+R/L-R processing to get better Stereo separation at > the expense of some loudness? From rjskadl@yahoo.com Tue Jan 29 18:27:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 30 Jan 2002 02:26:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 23006 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2002 02:26:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2002 02:26:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.75) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2002 02:26:54 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.113] by n25.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2002 02:25:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 02:26:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo, Grande Prarie, Alberta Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3168 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl You bring up some interesting points here about processing. I think what it all really comes down to is the obsession with loudness. The FM stations use Discrete processing for the same reasons that AM stations use Matrix processing. That reason is for maximum loudness for the greatest percentage of your target audience. It is assumed that most people listening to FM will be listening in Stereo. It is also assumed that most people listening to AM will be listening in Mono. Discrete processing gives you a louder sound in stereo, but less loudness in Mono. Matrix processing gives you more punchy and loud mono, but more laid back Stereo. That is why the AM Stereo sounds more Natural. The matrix processing also has that 3db gain phenomenon for the stereo programming which makes the left and right elements really jump out at you. I think the notion of better stereo separation is also amplified by AM Stereo because of the type of music being played. A lot of the music on AM Stereo is oldies, which were made when stereo was still new and exciting. The newer music nowadays uses stereo in a much more subtle way. I think some of the FM stations with the best Separation are CBS FM and other oldies stations. And on the AM Dial, WICC seems to have more separaton During its lunchtime oldies than it does while playing some of the more contemporary AC tunes. Also take note that many of the AM Stereo Exciters (Like the internal Stereo Card of the BE Exciters, or the Harris AM Stereo Exciter) also have built in circuitry to achieve "maximum attainable separation." And to add to that even more, some of the Audio processors (like the Amigo AM by CRL) have separation boosting circuitry built into them as well. There is hope for FM though. A lot of the big NYC stations are using special boxes which are designed to increase separation on the FM. WHTZ Z-100 started using one not too long ago, and I must say that I do hear improved separation on the Z. But I still think that a lot of it has to do with the fact that Todays music just doesn't have the stereo production that the oldies have. Now on the subject of Using Matrix processing on FM, I do indeed think it would work. It would actually increase the loudness of the stereo elements, however the overall loudness would suffer a bit. Personally I would like to give it a go. (maybe if someone wants to try hooking up an optimod 9100 or an Amigo to an FM Tx) I think that many of the FMs are overprocessed to the extreme. It is refreshing to travel away from the city a bit to hear some of the less processed FMs that actually sound incredible. I can understand "Balls to the wall" processing in AM, because the loudness actually helps you go further, but in FM it really serves no practical purpose except just to sound louder to the listener. The station wont really come in any better or worse because of the loudness in FM, of course there are exceptions, but I am just speaking as a general rule. Things do tend to get a bit hairy down in the Non-Comm band where there is real short spacing and lots of adjacents. From KC4QLP@aol.com Tue Jan 29 18:43:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 30 Jan 2002 02:43:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 54163 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2002 02:43:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2002 02:43:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m10.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.165) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2002 02:43:32 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id r.119.bb2b2cb (16782) for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:43:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <119.bb2b2cb.2988b7c7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:43:19 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo, Grande Prarie, Alberta To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 1/29/02 9:30:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, rjskadl@yahoo.com writes: << I can understand "Balls to the wall" processing in AM, because the loudness actually helps you go further, but in FM it really serves no practical purpose except just to sound louder to the listener. The station wont really come in any better or worse because of the loudness in FM, of course there are exceptions, but I am just speaking as a general rule. Things do tend to get a bit hairy down in the Non-Comm band where there is real short spacing and lots of adjacents. >> I've heard FM's in my markets ( Norfolk,Va Beach,Newport News / / Elizabeth City,Nags Head ) that sounded too loud. To loud to the point where the signal actually disappeared on extreme modulation peaks! and another station pop in during those time! On FM...thats a case when the signal actually get worse with modulation because the station deviates beyond the band pass of the radio. AM's around here need help. I'm the only one in these two markets that broadcast stereo...and I'm the cleanest and loudest station around.Everyone else sounds like paper cup 'n string radio.Funny thing...my 1kw and clean audio puts Norfolk's 790 5kw'er to shame Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.qsl.net/kc4qlp voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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It actually dawned on me later that night after I posted the question that the processors must be de- matrixing the audio back into left and right. I looked on the Harris site and found that their External exciter uses Left and Right audio inputs as well. That is when it dawned on me. The next day I took a look at the Optimod 9100 manual and found that it does do matrix processing internally, and then de-matrixes it to left and right, or you can change a jumper and get sum and differance outputs. Now the processor in question is an Omnia AM3, which I have not actually even seen yet, let alone been able to look through the manual. I thank you greatly much for your input on setting this thing. I will pass the info along to the guy I work with who actually tweaks the stuff. If I have any more questions I certainly won't hesitate to ask. And If we actually get it sounding decent I'll post some samples so everyone can hear it. It wont be for a few months at least though, because all the other engineers are currently busy with other projects. > Any decent AM stereo processor will handle the audio in matrix > form internally, even if it has discrete left and right outputs. My > Optimod is a prime example: discrete L and R is standard, L+R/L-R is > an available option. > > I use mine in discrete mode because Nautel also defaults to discrete > inputs. If your processor has separate L and R output controls (as > opposed to L+R and L-R pots) it'll take a little more patience to > tweak for full modulation, but once you get used to it, it's not that > big of a deal. I generally tweak left to about 90%, then bring up the > right channel for minimal L-R on a mono signal (such as a voice > program). Then I start tweaking left and right in tiny bumps until I > get the desired 95% total. > > > Is there any way to input the Processed Matrix Audio > > into the BE AM1 Exciter? > > If your processor only offers matrixed output, you can split the audio > back to discrete yourself. You simply do the same thing that a decoder > chip would do: sum L+R+(L-R) to get discrete Left, then sum L+R+(R- L) > (ie, L-R inverted) to get discrete Right. > > Any decent audio opamp, such as the NE5532, works fine for this. If > you're in a hurry or have a very strict budget, and your processor > offers balanced transformerless outputs (virtually all of them do, > nowadays) you may not even need the opamps. Simply build a little > resistor pad-widget that will sum the signals as described. Unless > that BE requires a phenomenal amount of drive, you should have enough > headroom in the processor to run it up to full modulation. > > At any rate, you most assuredly do *NOT* have to buy a new exciter! > > If you need a schematic or more help, email me at > smpoole7@b... 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ST [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rjskadl@yahoo.com Tue Jan 29 19:06:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 30 Jan 2002 03:06:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 90152 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2002 03:06:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2002 03:06:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.62) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2002 03:06:29 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.167] by n12.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2002 03:06:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 03:06:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo, Grande Prarie, Alberta Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <119.bb2b2cb.2988b7c7@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1766 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl > >> > I've heard FM's in my markets... To loud to the point where the signal actually disappeared on extreme modulation peaks! and another station pop in...thats a case when the signal actually get worse... I had that happen to me at an AM station too. I had my buddy come in and help me set the processing. Then the Chief engineer came along and increased the negatives to the point where the thing was cutting in and out at an amazing rate. It actualy totally interrupts the signal momentarily. The "Carrier Loss" light on the Mod Monitor light briefly too. But it got really bad after I left. They were using an old beat up Optimod 9000 which has seen better days and before it they were using an EQ with the bass all the way down and the 4k, 8k & 16k all the way up. And they did something to the exciter as well, because the TX sounds funny now. The station is under new management now with a new format so we are back in there now. Its weird because the new TX sounds funny, but the old one that they didn't use sounds great. Now we are using the same Transmitter (BE AM1) at two other stations and they both sound perfect. I would say that it is because of the mismatch in the Tx Line, but we are only getting 15W reflected back at 1kW. The older Tx by the way has very low reflected power back, but then again the old Harris has an output network with a tuning and a loading coil, the newer BE doesn't have the output network. We checked all the EQ jumper settings on the exciter card of the BE, but everything was set correctly. This one is a real puzzler. The sound is hard to describe. It just kind of mishmoshes everything together. It doesn't sound as clean as the Harris, but it should sound better. From smpoole7@bellsouth.net Tue Jan 29 20:07:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: smpoole7@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 30 Jan 2002 04:07:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 99728 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2002 04:07:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2002 04:07:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.61) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2002 04:07:35 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.156] by n11.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2002 04:07:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 04:07:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo, Grande Prarie, Alberta Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1533 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "professorpoole" X-Originating-IP: 216.76.200.212 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25309165 X-Yahoo-Profile: professorpoole --- In amstereoforum@y..., "rjskadl" wrote: > > ... the Chief engineer came along > and increased the negatives to the point where the thing was cutting > in and out at an amazing rate. It actualy totally interrupts the > signal momentarily. The "Carrier Loss" light on the Mod Monitor > light briefly too. The sad thing is, perceived loudness is a function of peak-to-average ratio, not absolute modulation peaks. The difference between 95% and 100% is less than 1 db and is imperceptible to most listeners. Do you remember when the original Optimod AM came out? The multiband compression "glamorized" the announcer's voices, and very aggressive clipping rounded off the worthless peaks that add nothing to loudness or *perceived* fidelity. Incidentally, I also recommend limiting the bass bandwidth. Most car radios -- even the better stereo units -- crank out mud on anything below 60hz, and bass robs more energy than treble besides. I like shelving the bass at, say, 70 or even 80hz. It sounds more open, clean and natural ... and you can drive the clipping quite heavily before objectionable distortion creeps in. I think you said you're getting an Omnia AM, right? We use the Omnia FM; haven't tried the AM yet, but if it's half as nice as the FM unit, you'll have fun with that monster. :) Of course, our venerable stereo Optimod is pretty darned hard to beat on the AM ... takes a lot of patience to tweak it up just right, but we're the loudest, cleanest thing on the dial here. From KC4QLP@aol.com Tue Jan 29 20:28:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 30 Jan 2002 04:28:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 33484 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2002 04:28:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2002 04:28:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r01.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.97) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2002 04:28:05 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id r.d2.12fb31fc (3842) for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:27:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:27:54 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo, Grande Prarie, Alberta To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 1/29/02 10:09:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, rjskadl@yahoo.com writes: << The older Tx by the way has very low reflected power back, but then again the old Harris has an output network with a tuning and a loading coil, the newer BE doesn't have the output network. We checked all the EQ jumper settings on the exciter card of the BE, but everything was set correctly. This one is a real puzzler. The sound is hard to describe. It just kind of mishmoshes everything together. It doesn't sound as clean as the Harris, but it should sound better. >> Hmmm...does the sound of the station sound like the audio is "missing" some audio frequencies making it sound less than full? There is an AMer on 1240 here that uses a BE AM 1 ( in mono BTW ) that sounds like that.The sound of that station changed after they stopped using their good 'ol Collins box Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.qsl.net/kc4qlp voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.qsl.net/kc4qlp voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! 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To: Dennis AMstereo IAAAS List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Can anybody verify if the proposed crappy AM IBOC system is even stereo at all - or glorified digital mono AM? I have read about FM IBOC and it effectively destroys existing analog FM SCA (totally wipes out 93KHz and derates 67KHz from fair to poor). It must be Clear Channel (not to be confused with their N.A.B.) that's pushing so hard for IBOC - only just to 'wipe-out' the Mom&Pop stations that won't waste $200K on IBOC upgrades, and then they can have it all. Clear Channel finances in the toilet - who cares; just look at Enron -Geo. Bush & Powell Jr. "ain't gonna do nothin" to cut-down the Clear Channel boys. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From rjskadl@yahoo.com Wed Jan 30 00:20:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 30 Jan 2002 08:20:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 48911 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2002 08:20:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2002 08:20:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.72) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2002 08:20:20 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.34] by n22.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2002 08:20:20 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:20:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo, Grande Prarie, Alberta Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1813 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl > I think you said you're getting an Omnia AM, right? We use the Omnia > FM; haven't tried the AM yet, but if it's half as nice as the FM unit, > you'll have fun with that monster. :) The Omnia is already on the air (since the summer). Worth its weight and more in Gold. What an incredible Audio processor! Frank Foti flew into our Local Airport and was impressed with the sound we are able to get with the unit he designed. We have the cleanest crispest AM around. We are out on Suburban LI, and I think it even rivals the big NYC AMs. The Omnia was bought because there was a problem with the Optimod 9100, And the goal was to go stereo. Our Processing man wanted to get it sounding good in mono before messing around with the stereo. Unfortunately they never got to the stereo part yet. I will see him tomorrow, I'll bug him about it again. The Omnia AM3...They have 3 models of the Omnia 3. There is the FM3, AM3 and also the omnia 3 for webcasting. Price is $4,000 which is about half of what you would have to spend on a new Orban 9100. Unfortunately Bob Orbans new Optimod Boxes don't support AM Stereo because Bob thinks AM Stereo is dead. But he did inform me that his AM Boxes are IBOC ready (big whoop). > > Of course, our venerable stereo Optimod is pretty darned hard to beat > on the AM ... takes a lot of patience to tweak it up just right, but > we're the loudest, cleanest thing on the dial here. No Doubt the Optimod 9100 is a sweet box. It is also no doubt that you need to know what you are doing to set it right. It takes lots of time and patience. I really cant wait to hear this Omnia in Stereo. If and when the time actually comes to turn the stereo back on, I'll let you know how it goes. Till then, all we can do is wait. -Rusty From rjskadl@yahoo.com Wed Jan 30 00:27:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 30 Jan 2002 08:27:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 58340 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2002 08:27:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2002 08:27:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.73) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2002 08:27:29 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.47] by n23.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2002 08:27:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:27:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo, Grande Prarie, Alberta Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1095 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl > Hmmm...does the sound of the station sound like the audio is "missing" some > audio frequencies making it sound less than full? > There is an AMer on 1240 here that uses a BE AM 1 ( in mono BTW ) that sounds > like that.The sound of that station changed after they stopped using their > good 'ol Collins box > > Bob Carter Yeah, almost as if something is missing, and everything else is mishmoshed together. What puzzles me is that we are using the same model Transmitter at two other stations and they both sound perfect. One of the stations is the one with the Omnia AM3 that we want to go stereo with. That one sounds incredible. The other one we are using futher out east with an elaborate airchain of old equipment that we scrounged up from here and there. We finally got that airchain set up so that the station out there sounds incredible as well. And then there is this one other station that sounds great when we fire up the old Harris SX-1, but just doesn't sound right on the main BE AM1 unit. Maybe there is some kind of Defect in some of the exciters. From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Jan 30 06:24:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 30 Jan 2002 14:24:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 43173 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2002 14:24:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2002 14:24:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2002 14:24:08 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-228.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.228]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA28185 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:23:45 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001301c1a999$c4bd1120$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo, Grande Prarie, Alberta Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:23:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude So why hasn't anyone thought to call BE tech support before now? ST ----- Original Message ----- From: rjskadl Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo, Grande Prarie, Alberta> And then > there is this one other station that sounds great when we fire up the > old Harris SX-1, but just doesn't sound right on the main BE AM1 > unit. Maybe there is some kind of Defect in some of the exciters. From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Jan 30 10:14:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 30 Jan 2002 18:14:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 59622 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2002 18:14:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2002 18:14:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2002 18:14:43 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id r.17b.2ed840d (3968) for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:14:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <17b.2ed840d.298991f9@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:14:17 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo, Grande Prarie, Alberta To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 1/30/02 3:29:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, rjskadl@yahoo.com writes: << Yeah, almost as if something is missing, and everything else is mishmoshed together. What puzzles me is that we are using the same model Transmitter at two other stations and they both sound perfect. One of the stations is the one with the Omnia AM3 that we want to go stereo with. That one sounds incredible. The other one we are using futher out east with an elaborate airchain of old equipment that we scrounged up from here and there. We finally got that airchain set up so that the station out there sounds incredible as well. And then there is this one other station that sounds great when we fire up the old Harris SX-1, but just doesn't sound right on the main BE AM1 unit. Maybe there is some kind of Defect in some of the exciters. >> When was the last time someone looked at the impedance and the bandwidth of the antenna on that station? If the bandwidth has become narrow or any other operating perimeters have changed over the years in the ATU's or the tower/mono pole...which ever the station uses as an antenna,the "sound" of the station will suffer...not to mention coverage area too! Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.qsl.net/kc4qlp voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! 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My Chrysler stock radio was picking it up last night under a bright moon around 12 AM. Good loud solid signal, no multipath, definately mono. On the good side though, 940 CJGX, Yorkton, Sask. is Still Stereo all the way..THEY EVEN ADVERTISE ON THE AIR, BOASTING AM STEREO!!! GO TO http://gx94radio.com As For Vancouver...1410 CFUN News/Talk still broadcasts in stereo, but clearly no commercials or tags in stereo production. and also in Vancouver, B.C. 1470 CFVR Chinese/Multicultural still puts out a stereo indicator but I cant make out if they are programming in stereo yet. 1470 CFVR is currently simulcasting with 96.1 CHKG-FM, so me thinks that the 1470 spot will be vacant soon/. From rjskadl@yahoo.com Wed Jan 30 20:48:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 31 Jan 2002 04:48:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 8899 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2002 04:48:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2002 04:48:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.53) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2002 04:48:11 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.154] by n3.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2002 04:48:10 -0000 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 04:48:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo, Grande Prarie, Alberta Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <17b.2ed840d.298991f9@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1550 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl There is an impedance mismatch. We get about 15 Watts reflected at one Kilowatt. And the signal is weaker too. I know that an impedance mismatch can cuse degraded signal, both audio wise and coverage wise as well, but I knind of thought that 15 watts reflected is really not such a terrible mismatch that it should cause the audio to be so niticably funny. Basically what it comes down to is if you are going to get a new Transmitter, make sure you spend the extra couple of bucks on the output network with the tuning and loading coils on them. That is the only thing I can think of. > When was the last time someone looked at the impedance and the bandwidth of > the antenna on that station? If the bandwidth has become narrow or any other > operating perimeters have changed over the years in the ATU's or the > tower/mono pole...which ever the station uses as an antenna,the "sound" of > the station will suffer...not to mention coverage area too! > The Tower is Fine. Everything sounds great when we use the older Tx that has the tuning and loading coils. We can adjust it to sound quite nice. The newer Tx though has no matching coils, so in order to tune it we have to open up a whole can of worms out in the ATU. It is easier at this point to just return the older Tx to service and use the new Tx as the backup. There is nothing wrong with the old Harris! It is just that the poeple who were running the station for a while thought they needed a new Tx because the older one looked a little old. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Jan 30 20:56:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 31 Jan 2002 04:56:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 59357 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2002 04:56:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2002 04:56:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11702.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.68) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2002 04:56:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20020131044732.41192.qmail@web11702.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.80.198.227] by web11702.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:47:32 PST Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:47:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: A1A Surf Radio...tune in Midnight-2 Eastern. 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To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20020131044732.41192.qmail@web11702.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Oh yeah, request line is (904) 826-4250. AOL IM: a1asurfradio Hotmail IM: a1asurfradio Listener discretion is advised. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! 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Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 346 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Originating-IP: 213.121.69.54 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69495942 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan I getting a little fed up with this company and there poor communication plus genaral slack attitude. This is where I grought the AM1000 from seeing as they were the only company I could find who would ship to the UK. Odd I think as many UK companies will ship anywhere worldwide. Anybody had deakings with Wholesale Advantage ? Dave UK From n0uiheric@aol.com Thu Jan 31 17:45:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 1 Feb 2002 01:45:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 79925 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 01:45:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2002 01:45:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r07.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.103) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 01:45:21 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id r.f3.15982aa5 (4387) for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:45:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:45:17 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is IBOC-AM even stereo? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih The only way we can FORCE Bush and Mike Powell (who shouldn't have been FCC Chairman in the first place) to do SOMETHING about those idiots at Crap Channel is to WRITE THEM and YOUR ELECTED OFFICIALS. Most of commercial broadcasting's finances are in the toilet, anyway. Why not put radio out of it's misery, and make ALL of broadcasting NON-COMMERCIAL? There are two Web sites for this information: the DAB SYSTEM LAB RESULTS from the CBC, and the Digital Disaster site from The Virginia Center for The Public Press. The VCPP Digital Disaster Web site also has PSAs for your station to play on the air. Just download them from the Internet, or hook up a cassette deck to your computer to record onto cassette. I've been playing the PSA on my shows at WSIE (88.7 FM) Edwardsville, IL since last summer. The FCC apparently may reserve some spectrum in the 700 MHz band for broadcasting; go to http://www.fcc.gov/ for more information. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://members.aol.com/n0uiheric/TurnOffClearChannel.html http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/turnoffclearchannel From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Jan 31 17:51:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 1 Feb 2002 01:51:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 77007 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 01:51:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2002 01:51:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 01:51:33 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-167.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.167]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA26633 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:51:12 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <007501c1aac2$ff00bba0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo, Grande Prarie, Alberta Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:28:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Any chance of shipping the new TX back to BE in exchange for one that does have the coils? It is an option on the smaller rigs. Otherwise you could build your own output matching network. It can't be that hard to find enough good used parts. In fact, there's a guy in WI who has all sorts of parts you could buy to build it- Rey Lark. He advertises a lot in the Radio Guide (formerly Radio Shopper.) For just a few hundred in parts, this thing could still be your main transmitter. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: rjskadl > The newer Tx though has no matching coils, so in order > to tune it we have to open up a whole can of worms out in the ATU. > It is easier at this point to just return the older Tx to service and > use the new Tx as the backup. There is nothing wrong with the old > Harris! It is just that the poeple who were running the station for > a while thought they needed a new Tx because the older one looked a > little old. From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Jan 31 19:07:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 1 Feb 2002 03:07:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 86199 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 03:07:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2002 03:07:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 03:07:05 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-163.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.163]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA08697 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:07:04 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001501c1aacd$8ba2bb80$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is IBOC-AM even stereo? Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:07:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Probably because the problem isn't commercial broadcasting per-se. The problem is anti-capitalistic monopolies. ST PS, Those Digital Disaster dudes had better update their site if they want to be taken seriously. Clinton is no longer President. ----- Original Message ----- From: > Most of commercial broadcasting's finances are in the toilet, anyway. Why not > put radio out of it's misery, and make ALL of broadcasting NON-COMMERCIAL? From rjskadl@yahoo.com Thu Jan 31 19:44:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 1 Feb 2002 03:44:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 16384 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 03:44:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2002 03:44:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.64) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 03:44:17 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.24] by n14.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2002 03:46:04 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 03:44:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo, Grande Prarie, Alberta Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007501c1aac2$ff00bba0$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1416 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl ...For just a few hundred in parts, this thing > could still be your main transmitter. I greatly appreciate all of the kind suggestions and advice that everyone is helping me out with. You guys are all A OK in my book. I will make theses suggestions to the guys I am working with, but they will probably be limited in what they can do. We are working for a company that is running the station under an LMA. Anything major like this that we would do would have to be done under the approval of the parent company that acually owns the station and their chief engineer (who installed the untuneable new rig in the first place). Also, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the older Transmitter. The thing is in absolutely perfect working condition. The Backup or Aux Transmitter is in better shape then the main is. LOL. I think the plan is to just use the slightly older Harris that works right. Now I know that many of us would rather see the BE used because of the possibility of going stereo with the built in C-Quam, but dont get your hopes up. The Stereo Card is missing from the Exciter. Neither the parent company nor the LMA company wants to pay for a new exciter card and new stereo processing. "Maybe down the road if there is enough surplus in the operating budget." As it is we have some pretty old processing gear in there. We were lucky to scrounge up what we did. From rjskadl@yahoo.com Thu Jan 31 20:06:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 1 Feb 2002 04:05:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 83189 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 04:05:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2002 04:05:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.63) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 04:05:57 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.36] by n13.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2002 03:50:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 04:05:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Discrete Vs Matrix Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1265 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl I did some experimenting with processing on a low power FM Transmitter and I DID find that Matrix processing can and should work on FM. I also noted that the stereo SEPARATION WAS INDEED percieved BETTER than when discrete processing was used. (the ultimate separation is still dependant upon the separation in the source material.) The Discrete was louder though with more pronounced bass response. In Mono mode, the Matrix processing was louder and punchier than the Discrete processing was in mono. I do have to admit though that the Discrete did hold its own. What I did not have access to was a mod monitor. or any other fancy equipment. Also note that I was simply using one of the silly little Radio Shack Personal Transmitters. You can actually drive them close to full modulation if you use good processing and good low pass filtering. Note though that I didn't drastically overprocess the audio like so many of our broadcasters are guilty of. I set it up so that the compression and limiting was the same for both systems. The signal still only goes about six feet though. I can see where there are advantages and disadvantages in both systems. If anyone cares to haer a sample from me for themselves, let me know. -Russ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jan 31 21:41:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 1 Feb 2002 05:41:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 30751 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 05:41:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2002 05:41:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.81) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 05:41:48 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.35] by n31.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2002 05:41:47 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 05:41:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Discrete Vs Matrix Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2923 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics There is actually an MP3 player program called MPXPLAY that can do matrix processing right on your computer. This is a recent addition to the program. First it takes the sum of the Left and Right channels (L+R) and then uses that component to arrive at a gain or reduction to apply to the Stereo audio in order to provide volume compression. However, before that volume compression is performed, it also feeds in the gain figure of the L-R component, so that heavy Stereo separation does not cause the compression/limiting to "overshoot" itself and cause distortion. Normally this type of set-up is no big deal, and really not that different from discrete processing, but the trick is that in this case, you are free to manually control the level of the L-R component. With 100% being normal, it can be adjusted to anywhere from 10% to 500%, with 10% being nearly mono (only 10 percent difference between Left and Right) and 500% being almost all L-R component and very little L+R component. In previous versions, the L-R level adjustment was performed *after* the compression, so if you boosted the L-R too much, the audio would become distorted from clipping and overmoduation. However, in the latest version of MPXPLAY (1.46), the L-R adjustment is performed *before* the compression so it is also taken into account, to prevent clipping. Thus, I typically set the L-R level to 140% (40 percent boost over normal) which noticeably expands the Stereo image without making it sound too echoey or "spatial". If you'd like to try it, you can download MPXPLAY from: http://mpxplay.cjb.net/ Be warned that it is a DOS program so it is a bit complex to set up, but once you get it running, it works beautifully, and has even more capabilities than "WinAmp", such as built-in cross-fading between songs and all sorts of neat tricks like CD track "ripping" and decoding MP2, MP3, Ogg Vorbis (.OGG), Dolby AC3, MPEG Plus (.MP+), and MusePack (.MPC) files into standard uncompressed WAV format. In addition to the 10%-500% variable L-R level (called "surround"), it also provides variable 100% to 700% compression of the overall audio -- at 250% to 350% it sounds very nice and "punchy", and at 500% and up the volume compression is so much it begins to sound like a few of the FM rock/Top 40 stations! You know, the "so much volume compression it makes your ears bleed" sound! The only thing MPXPLAY is missing is multi-band audio processing and limiting, like what pro-quality radio station audio processing uses, but that takes up a LOT of processing power if you are going to do it digitally. And in general, single-band processing sounds fine, except for broadcast use you are going to need a separate treble limiter or "de-esser" to control treble peaks so they don't overmodulate and cause a "spitting" sound (such as when somebody pronounces the letter "S" in a word). From n0uiheric@aol.com Thu Jan 31 23:02:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 1 Feb 2002 07:02:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 11620 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 07:02:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2002 07:02:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 07:02:07 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id r.ac.21e5aa9a (4315) for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 02:01:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 02:01:55 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} MONOnucleosis WSM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Should we write Gaylord and ask them to fire Walt? 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://members.aol.com/n0uiheric/TurnOffClearChannel.html http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/turnoffclearchannel From jsgil@hal-pc.org Fri Feb 01 00:04:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 1 Feb 2002 08:04:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 64593 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 08:04:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2002 08:04:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.61) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 08:04:10 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.168] by n11.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2002 08:04:10 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 08:04:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Motorola C-QuAM Modulation Monitor on eBay Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 142 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.16 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst There is a Motorola C-QuAM Modultaion Monitor Model 1310 for sale on eBay http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1329725448 From smpoole7@bellsouth.net Fri Feb 01 04:54:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: smpoole7@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 1 Feb 2002 12:54:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 60961 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 12:54:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2002 12:54:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.74) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 12:54:40 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.145] by n24.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2002 12:54:40 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 12:54:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Discrete Vs Matrix Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1412 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "professorpoole" X-Originating-IP: 209.214.105.172 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25309165 X-Yahoo-Profile: professorpoole --- In amstereoforum@y..., "rjskadl" wrote: > > I also noted that the stereo SEPARATION WAS INDEED percieved > BETTER than when discrete processing was used. (the ultimate > separation is still dependant upon the separation in the source > material.) Yup. Think about it: you're compressing the L+R and L-R separately. If you have some material with modest separation, say, a trumpet located about 3/4 into the right channel, boosting the gain on L-R will cause the trumpet to more fully cancel out of the left channel, and more fully appear in the right one. Hence, you get separation enhancement. (If you're really bored, you could do the math: L+R+(L-R)=2Left, L+R+(R-L)=2Right.) On material with full separation -- the trumpet is all the way in the right channel -- you can actually get a phase cancellation: because you've boosted the L-R gain, there's no longer a complete null in the left channel: the trumpet comes from the left speaker, too, but out of phase. A better processor carefully considers how much it compresses L-R, keeping an eye on the original material to reduce wierd effects like this. Otherwise, your audio sounds like a cheap boombox with the "wide" switch turned on. :) (And I leave it to your imagination to determine how such a boombox sounds with L-R limiting at the station *AND* the "wide" switch ON! The image runs all over the room.[g]) From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Feb 01 10:38:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 1 Feb 2002 18:38:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 38097 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 18:38:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2002 18:38:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14206.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.70) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 18:38:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20020201183808.39393.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.162.18.173] by web14206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 10:38:08 PST Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:38:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: Cquam station shutdown and equipment sell-off To: Dennis AMstereo IAAAS List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Wow, looks like you can darn near build a station from all of the broadcast surplus from "rogeradio" on eBay! We might want to communicate amongst ourselves so we don't jack-up pricing by bidding against each other back and forth. Any idea what C-Quam station he is dismantling? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From jsgil@hal-pc.org Fri Feb 01 11:20:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 1 Feb 2002 19:20:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 98505 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 19:20:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2002 19:20:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.74) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 19:20:30 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.23] by n24.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2002 19:20:29 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 19:20:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Discrete Vs Matrix Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2480 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.223 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "rjskadl" wrote: > > I also noted that the stereo SEPARATION WAS INDEED percieved > BETTER than when discrete processing was used. (the ultimate > separation is still dependant upon the separation in the source > material.) The Discrete was louder though with more pronounced bass > response. In Mono mode, the Matrix processing was louder and > punchier than the Discrete processing was in mono. I do have to > admit though that the Discrete did hold its own. While Matrix processing does preserve good s/n ratio in both L+R & L-R it does so at the expense of altering the original stereo mix. Now with the mixes done on today's music where separation is more of a spatial type of imaging it tends to enhance the stereo effect which is usually seen as an overall benefit but does cause loss of signal strength when signals that are in the L+R component only like bass when the L-R is over accentuated. It can be determental to music that was recorded over 30 years ago because the equipment used like 4 track recorders did not allow complex mixes unless they had fancy mixers and/or had all the musicians playing at once doing sort of a live mix. You can hear this in early beatles music and other musicians of that time or earlier. My first stereo was an Eico kit and the FM tuner was mono but also had a Knight MPX adapter that had a separation control on it. All this stuff was tubes also. You could adjust the knob to the point that it sounded sort of etherial when the L-R was cranked up all the way which is what can happen in matrix processing if the level relationship is not watched closely. A multi- band matrix processing would probably help overcome this though. Harris had a neat approach to this with their variable frequency pilot tone to control the L-R level to maintain envelope compatibility. To bad this wasn't incorporated into the final standard that was adopted by the FCC since single channel modulation in C-QuAM is limited to 70% modulation in order to constrain cosine correction within resonable levels. L-R levels could be kept within this 70% during transmittion but could be restored during decoding which would also help in the s/n ratio for both L+R & L-R. Another appoach that could be used is an over easy compressor that resoonded to L+R levels but acted on the descrete channels maintaining the original mix could work but at the cost of the s/n ratio in the L-R component. From raydtuner@yahoo.com Fri Feb 01 14:10:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: raydtuner@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 1 Feb 2002 22:09:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 97687 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 22:09:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2002 22:09:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.59) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 22:09:57 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.38] by n9.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2002 22:09:56 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 22:09:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Reception of AM Stereo Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 134 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "raydtuner" X-Originating-IP: 64.210.241.103 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92072182 X-Yahoo-Profile: raydtuner Do I HAVE to have a specially designed unit to tune in , or will a stereo boombox pick up the enhanced signal? I tune 630 CFCO, ON. From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Feb 01 14:20:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 1 Feb 2002 22:20:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 16005 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 22:20:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2002 22:20:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 22:20:43 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-211.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.211]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA19117 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:20:31 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <008a01c1ab6e$b681d9c0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Reception of AM Stereo Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:20:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I'm not sure I understand the question. Your boombox may be stereo in every other respect, but the AM side could really be mono- most of them are. To hear CFCO in stereo you'd need to add a decoder board. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: raydtuner > Do I HAVE to have a specially designed unit to tune in , or will a > stereo boombox pick up the enhanced signal? I tune 630 CFCO, ON. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Feb 01 15:07:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 1 Feb 2002 23:07:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 13196 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 23:07:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2002 23:07:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.73) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 23:07:29 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.39] by n23.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2002 23:07:29 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 23:07:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Discrete Vs Matrix Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3205 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.76.15 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Harris had a neat approach to this with their variable frequency > pilot tone to control the L-R level to maintain envelope > compatibility. In theory that was a wonderful system but in actual practice it was overly complex for both the transmitter and receiver, and the variable pilot tone could easily get "lost" in noise and the receiver would lose track of it and you can imagine the results when that happened. So after a while they just locked the pilot tone at 55 Hz (which in the variable system was indicative of maximum Stereo separation being transmitted) and gave up on the variable system. AFAIK no receivers were ever made that properly decoded the variable pilot tone Harris system. Receivers either ignored the pilot tone entirely (Sony) or used the fixed 55 Hz pilot tone system (Sansui). Another feature of Harris AM Stereo was that it had no stereo separation below 200 Hz. On the transmitter, the L-R component had a filter to remove anything lower than 200 Hz and put it into the L+R component (mono). This was probably to both reduce distortion on Stereo receivers and to improve compatibility with Mono receivers. In most cases the lack of Stereo separation below 200 Hz is not really noticeable, but with good headphones and a 1960s recording with the bass in one channel only, you can easily tell the difference. > To bad this wasn't incorporated into the final standard that was > adopted by the FCC since single channel modulation in C-QuAM is > limited to 70% modulation in order to constrain cosine correction > within resonable levels. The more recent C-Quam decoders (MC13028, etc.) have a much better cosine correction circuit with noticeably less distortion, especially in the bass region. So if all your listeners have radios using these modern AM Stereo decoders you could probably increase the maximum single channel modulation level without any big problems. It's just the large base of older AM Stereo radios (MC13020, etc.) and also the Sony "multi-system" radios (which did not do any cosine correction at all) that begin to sound "grundgy" and distorted if you turn up the modulation too much. But this is not really an issue worth dwelling upon. One of the mistakes of the 1980s was the engineers getting too wrapped up in minor technical details like Magnavox's 95% negative modulation limit or C-Quam's 70% single-channel modulation limit, and arguing about these silly things that in the real world really don't make any noticeable difference to the listener. And specific to the C-Quam limit, it's a lot of hype about nothing, because due to the design of the C-Quam system, any single channel audio is increased by 6 dB when it is received. Now, take into consideration the 70% limit of single-channel modulation on the transmitter side. Mathematically, that is equivalent to a 3 dB reduction when compared to 100% (0 dB). Combine the 3 dB reduction during transmission with this 6 dB boost during reception, and you still end up with the single-channel audio being 3 dB louder than original! So the 70% limit is not only cancelled out, you still get a boost of apparent Stereo separation by 3 dB. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Feb 01 15:17:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 1 Feb 2002 23:17:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 67328 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 23:17:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2002 23:17:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.58) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 23:17:27 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.130] by n8.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2002 23:16:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 23:16:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Reception of AM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1753 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.76.15 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Do I HAVE to have a specially designed unit to tune in , or will a > stereo boombox pick up the enhanced signal? I tune 630 CFCO, ON. This is a common question from a beginner. Unfortunately, the vast majority of "AM/FM Stereo" radios are only Stereo on the FM band, not AM. To receive AM Stereo broadcasts you need a radio that specifically supports AM Stereo. In most cases a radio with AM Stereo capability will be labelled as "AM Stereo/FM Stereo" rather than just "AM/FM Stereo", in order to make it clear to you that it has Stereo on both bands, FM *and* AM. If you cannot find a radio that has AM Stereo capability, a small circuit board can be added to an existing radio in order to add AM Stereo reception to it. In the boom-box category, Sony, Aiwa, Emerson, Audiophase, and Philips-Magnavox radios can all be successfully converted to receive AM Stereo in all its glory. Our own Chris Cuff is the expert at this and I'm sure he'll show up here with suggestions for you, or you can contact him privately via e-mail at: ccuff@in4web.com p.s. In the past, there was a different method of broadcasting AM Stereo that let you obtain a Stereo effect by taking two regular mono AM radios with analog tuning, and tuning one slightly to the left of the station's signal on the dial and the other slightly to the right of the station's signal. This gave you the Left and Right audio channels for Stereo sound with pretty good quality. However, the current system of broadcasting AM Stereo uses a different method. You can still get a very slight Stereo effect by tuning two radios to either "side" of the signal, but the quality does not even come close to the full Stereo sound you hear on a true AM Stereo radio. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Feb 01 18:46:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 2 Feb 2002 02:46:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 77150 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2002 02:46:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2002 02:46:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web13805.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.175.15) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2002 02:46:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20020202024624.75218.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.192.76.15] by web13805.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 18:46:24 PST Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 18:46:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: MP3/etc. Stereo encoding glossary To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Kevin Tekel X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics With the talk about discrete vs. matrix audio processing, it is interesting to note that there are several different ways of encoding Stereo audio into an MP3 file (or any other digital format), and just like for broadcasting, some types make use of discrete processing and others use matrix processing to store the audio. So here is a little glossary of the different types of encoding Stereo into digitally compressed files like MP3: * MP1, MP2, MP3 (all can and do use the same Stereo encoding methods) a.k.a. MPEG-1 and MPEG-2, Layers I, II, and III DUAL CHANNEL mode: this is the simplest form of Stereo encoding. The allocated bit rate is simply cut in half to accomodate the two audio channels. For example, a 128 kbps dual channel MP3 file is split into 64 kbps for the Left channel and 64 kbps for the Right channel. There is no correlation between the two channels and they are completely independent. This mode is actually designed for use when the two channels are carrying completely different audio, such as voice in two different languages. Dual Channel mode is not common for music use. DISCRETE STEREO mode: like Dual Channel mode, it splits the bit rate in half to accomodate Left and Right channels, but this time it is assumed that the two channels will be fairly similar in content, such as with music, and small changes in the encoding method are used to accomodate this, even though the two channels still remain independent and are not combined. Should only be used at bit rates of 160 kbps and higher, but some people use it at 128 kbps where it doesn't sound too good. MID/SIDE STEREO mode: this is another name for Matrix processing! The audio is split into L+R and L-R components, and since L+R is usually louder and more musically important than L-R, more bits are dedicated to encoding it. Thus Mid/Side Stereo sounds better than Discrete stereo except when there is heavy Stereo separation, in which case the reduced bit content of the L-R component becomes apparent. For MP3 files, M/S Stereo is most often used in the range of 112 to 192 kbps. INTENSITY STEREO mode: most often used for lower bit-rate files (96 kbps and lower), it takes the high audio frequencies, combines them to mono, and then gives the combined audio a direction vector in order to "place" it at a specific point, from Left to Right, in the Stereo image. The lower frequencies are still encoded discretely to preserve good Stereo separation. Intensity Stereo is best for lower bit rates because at higher rates (128 kbps and up) the Intensity encoding technique becomes apparent as an annoying "chattering" sound in the treble. JOINT STEREO mode: refers to any combination of the Discrete Stereo, Mid/Side Stereo, and Intensity Stereo modes. During the song, the encoder analyses it in very small steps (fractions of a second) and decides which mode would provide the best possible sound quality at that particular moment in the song. The vast majority of MP3 files use a combination of Discrete Stereo and Mid/Side Stereo encoding, in this manner. Lower bit rate files typically use a combination of Intensity Stereo and Mid/Side Stereo (with the lower frequencies encoded as mid/side rather than discrete stereo, while the high frequencies are still encoded with the Intensity Stereo process). * MPEG LAYER 4 (a.k.a. "MP4") Something brand new which is still being worked on. No details as of yet but expect it to use similar Stereo methods as with MP1, MP2, and MP3. * REAL AUDIO Versions 3 (1 & 2 were Mono only) through 5: "DolbyNet" encoding with discrete stereo only. No joint stereo methods (M/S or Intensity) are used. Versions 6 and 7: "G2" encoding, again with discrete stereo only. In most cases it sounds a little better than original RealAudio at the same bit rates, although it still has a noticeable "metallic tinge" to the sound. Version 8, 16 to 96 kbps: RealAudio 8.0 encoding which uses a unique form of joint/intensity stereo. Very good sound except it can sound a bit "wishy-washy" and there is noticeably reduced Stereo separation of the high treble. Version 8, 105 kbps and up: Sony ATRAC-3 encoding, the same as used in the MiniDisc format. Discrete stereo only. Generally sounds very good except at 105 kbps (the lowest setting). MiniDiscs are somewhere in the 350 kbps range for excellent sound that is very hard to distinguish from direct CD audio. * WINDOWS MEDIA AUDIO I really have no clue about this since I have never used it (I absolutely will not install any Microsoft products on my computer unless I really have to). I've heard it's a modification of MP3 so it might use similar Stereo encoding methods. * OGG VORBIS Gives you the choice of discrete stereo, or "channel coupling" which is a variant of Mid/Side encoding. Still being developed so the channel coupling mode does not sound too good yet. If you use Ogg, stick with regular (non-coupled) Stereo. * MPEG PLUS, a.k.a. MUSEPACK An enhanced variant of MP2. Has the option of using discrete stereo or Mid/Side stereo, which is acutally done a lot better than it is with MP3. I've listened to MPEG Plus with its version of M/S Stereo and it sounds very, very good. MusePack is just another name for MPEG Plus because the real authors of MPEG were complaining about the use of "MPEG" in the name because it's not an "official" MPEG product. * YAMAHA TWIN-VQ, a.k.a. VQF AVOID AT ALL COSTS! HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE sound quality. Total garbage. Even at the highest quality setting, in some cases it reduces the stereo separation to a whopping 6 dB! For all practical purposes, that's mono! VQF must be using some really bad version of Intensity Stereo. For mono or for when you don't care about Stereo separation it might sound okay, but for anybody who cares about good STEREO audio it's worthless. * AAC (ADAPTIVE AUDIO CODING) Used by IBOC DAB. Can be set for either discrete Stereo or Mid/Side Stereo. Sounds fairly good, but not really that much better or worse than MP3. There are AAC variants of both MP2 and MP4. * DOLBY AC3 Used by DVDs and some Video CDs. It is used to encode multiple audio channels for Dolby Digital Surround Sound so I assume (or at least hope!) it doesn't use anything except discrete, independent audio channels. * APPLE QDESIGN 2 Used in Apple QuickTime videos. I don't know much about this. Doesn't really sound like any kind of M/S or Intensity Stereo to me. Not popular for music encoding although it can be done. * .OTS files for the OTS JUKE program Same thing as MP3 except with the file format changed around in order to give OTS Juke more control over the music it's playing. That's about it.... I just find it interesting that we have all these variants, especially within the MP3 format, and yet nobody is complaining that a "single Stereo standard" should be chosen. We are free to use whatever works best. And when you're writing computer software, rather than building radio receivers, all it takes to support many different Stereo formats is just some extra lines of code. My main point is that Matrix Processing has other uses besides AM Stereo radio. I'd say 75 percent of all MP3 files use Mid/Side Stereo which is just another name for matrix audio processing. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From raydtuner@yahoo.com Sat Feb 02 09:36:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: raydtuner@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 2 Feb 2002 17:36:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 52153 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2002 17:36:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2002 17:36:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.55) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2002 17:36:46 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.46] by n5.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2002 17:36:46 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 17:36:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Reception of AM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008a01c1ab6e$b681d9c0$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 599 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "raydtuner" X-Originating-IP: 216.142.233.105 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92072182 X-Yahoo-Profile: raydtuner --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Scott Todd" wrote: > I'm not sure I understand the question. Your boombox may be stereo in every > other respect, but the AM side could really be mono- most of them are. To > hear CFCO in stereo you'd need to add a decoder board. > > ST > Thanks-that is what I wondered! RAY>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: raydtuner > > > > Do I HAVE to have a specially designed unit to tune in , or will a > > stereo boombox pick up the enhanced signal? I tune 630 CFCO, ON. From raydtuner@yahoo.com Sat Feb 02 09:41:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: raydtuner@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 2 Feb 2002 17:41:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 59611 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2002 17:41:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2002 17:41:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.73) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2002 17:41:18 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.127] by n23.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2002 17:41:18 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 17:41:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Reception of AM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2088 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "raydtuner" X-Originating-IP: 216.144.70.231 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92072182 X-Yahoo-Profile: raydtuner --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > > Do I HAVE to have a specially designed unit to tune in , or will a > > stereo boombox pick up the enhanced signal? I tune 630 CFCO, ON. > > This is a common question from a beginner. Unfortunately, the vast > majority of "AM/FM Stereo" radios are only Stereo on the FM band, not > AM. To receive AM Stereo broadcasts you need a radio that > specifically supports AM Stereo. In most cases a radio with AM Stereo > capability will be labelled as "AM Stereo/FM Stereo" rather than just > "AM/FM Stereo", in order to make it clear to you that it has Stereo on > both bands, FM *and* AM. > > If you cannot find a radio that has AM Stereo capability, a small > circuit board can be added to an existing radio in order to add AM > Stereo reception to it. In the boom-box category, Sony, Aiwa, > Emerson, Audiophase, and Philips-Magnavox radios can all be > successfully converted to receive AM Stereo in all its glory. Our own > Chris Cuff is the expert at this and I'm sure he'll show up here with > suggestions for you, or you can contact him privately via e-mail at: > ccuff@i... > > p.s. In the past, there was a different method of broadcasting AM > Stereo that let you obtain a Stereo effect by taking two regular mono > AM radios with analog tuning, and tuning one slightly to the left of > the station's signal on the dial and the other slightly to the right > of the station's signal. This gave you the Left and Right audio > channels for Stereo sound with pretty good quality. However, the > current system of broadcasting AM Stereo uses a different method. You > can still get a very slight Stereo effect by tuning two radios to > either "side" of the signal, but the quality does not even come close > to the full Stereo sound you hear on a true AM Stereo radio. REPLY: It sounds like bother enough to limit it to an electronics buff, which I'm not! I enjoy reading about the latest in electronics just the same.RAY>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From n0uiheric@aol.com Sat Feb 02 23:50:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 3 Feb 2002 07:50:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 98382 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2002 07:50:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2002 07:50:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2002 07:50:19 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id r.30.21a1b935 (3853) for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 02:50:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <30.21a1b935.298e45b2@aol.com> Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 02:50:10 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Cquam station shutdown and equipment sell-off To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih I was hearing that it may be WPHG 1620 Atmore, AL. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://members.aol.com/n0uiheric/TurnOffClearChannel.html http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/turnoffclearchannel From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Feb 04 05:53:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 4 Feb 2002 13:53:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 99946 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2002 13:53:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2002 13:53:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14208.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.72) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2002 13:53:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20020204135302.66223.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Feb 2002 05:53:02 PST Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 05:53:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: Does this mean we can comment on CCC cutting-off AM Stereo? To: Dennis AMstereo IAAAS List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Do this mean that we can write to the FCC about Clear Channel cutting-off AM Stereo and their local news staff firings? This is from BE Magazine: FCC Extends Multiple-Ownership Comments Date Washington, D.C. - Jan 23, 2002 – Following a petition from the NAB, Clear Channel Communications, Cumulus Media, Hispanic Broadcasting Corporation, Infinity Broadcasting Corporation and RadioWorks to extend the FCC deadline for comments and reply comments to the multiple-ownership review. In requesting the extension, the petitioners cited the need for additional time to conduct and incorporate into their comments empirical studies about specific local radio markets, including economic and market data about consolidation, competition and diversity in the radio marketplace. The FCC has granted the extension. The deadline for filing comments in this proceeding IS extended to March 13, 2002. The deadline for filing reply comments in this proceeding IS extended to April 10, 2002. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Feb 04 19:50:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 5 Feb 2002 03:50:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 19045 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2002 03:50:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2002 03:50:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.57) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2002 03:50:54 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.167] by n7.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2002 03:50:54 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 03:50:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Does this mean we can comment on CCC cutting-off AM Stereo? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020204135302.66223.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 798 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.92.10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Do this mean that we can write to the FCC about Clear Channel > cutting-off AM Stereo and their local news staff firings? You can write comments to the FCC about anybody, anytime; in this particular case, it just means that if you file your comments before the deadline, they will be taken into consideration for this "multiple-ownership review". Also keep in mind that all radio station licenses are issued for a 7-year period. At the end of the 7 years when the station applies to have their license renewed, the FCC will take into consideration any comments that have been filed in regard to the station. If there are enough negative comments, theoretically a station may not have its license renewal granted, even if it has operated in compliance with "by-the-book" FCC rules. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Feb 04 20:34:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 5 Feb 2002 04:34:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 51040 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2002 04:34:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2002 04:34:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11704.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.70) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2002 04:34:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20020205043452.16737.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.80.196.45] by web11704.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Feb 2002 20:34:52 PST Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 20:34:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Does this mean we can comment on CCC cutting-off AM Stereo? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio 8-year license period now. 73, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Feb 04 21:31:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 5 Feb 2002 05:31:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 18401 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2002 05:31:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2002 05:31:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.64) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2002 05:31:35 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.133] by n14.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2002 05:33:25 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 05:31:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: tip for Delco radio users Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1806 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.92.10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Okay, this is exceedingly silly, but if any of you use a Delco radio, you are probably annoyed by how it keeps switching back to the clock mode, and doesn't stick on the frequency display. Well, after fiddling around with mine, I found the solution: jam a paper clip into the "Set" button! I figured out that if you hold down Set, it stays on the frequency display indefinitely. Normally this would leave the SET indicator illuminated on the display, but if you press Set a second time and then hold it down, you'll get only your frequency display with no SET symbol. So, how to keep the Set button engaged without holding your finger on it? I found that the tip of a small paper clip can be wedged in against the Set button (at least on older Delco radios; newer ones have flush buttons so this wouldn't work) and it will stay there, letting you see the frequency display in all its glory. This effectively turns my Delco into the perfect receiver for use at live AM Stereo demonstrations (at ham radio shows and the like).... that way "1500 AM STEREO" in big bright flourescent blue can stay on the display all day long... and it has the side benefit of disabling all frequency and band changing, so even if people fiddle with the buttons and knobs, they won't be able to switch it away from 1500 kHz. However, the AM ST button still works, so people can switch between narrowband mono and wideband Stereo. I told you this was silly, but hey, you never know.... it is a general annoyance that unlike Chrysler and many other brands, GM/Delco radios can't permanently display the radio frequency, without flipping back to the clock mode after a few seconds. There is probably some electronic way to change this, but my method works fine and requires no electrical skills! From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Feb 05 02:03:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 5 Feb 2002 10:03:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 16202 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2002 10:03:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2002 10:03:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2002 10:03:28 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.40]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 04:58:50 -0500 Message-ID: <006701c1ae2b$9f8f9b20$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} tip for Delco radio users Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 04:58:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Kevin. I don't have my Delco hooked up at the moment, but as I remember, doing this will prevent you from using the tuning controls, as the micro sees a "stuck button" and freezes up.... I will have to check.. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics To: Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 12:31 AM Subject: {AMSF} tip for Delco radio users > Okay, this is exceedingly silly, but if any of you use a Delco radio, > you are probably annoyed by how it keeps switching back to the clock > mode, and doesn't stick on the frequency display. Well, after > fiddling around with mine, I found the solution: jam a paper clip > into the "Set" button! From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Feb 05 05:35:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 5 Feb 2002 13:35:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 43151 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2002 13:35:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2002 13:35:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2002 13:35:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20020205133508.88755.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 05:35:08 PST Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 05:35:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: Delco radio BS To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I'm glad to see I'm not the only one that likes the Chrysler's ability to keep the frequency displayed, and hate how the Delco reverts back to time instead of frequency! Can a small toggle switch be added to the "set" button to lock-up the frequency, then be switched-off in order to change stations? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Feb 05 17:31:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 6 Feb 2002 01:31:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 61621 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2002 01:31:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2002 01:31:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.68) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2002 01:31:07 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.154] by n18.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2002 01:31:20 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 01:31:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: tip for Delco radio users Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006701c1ae2b$9f8f9b20$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 616 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.193 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Kevin. I don't have my Delco hooked up at the moment, but as I > remember, doing this will prevent you from using the tuning > controls, as the micro sees a "stuck button" and freezes up.... I > will have to check.. Yes, I know that, but I am only staying on one station so it doesn't matter. For "real-world" use you could wire up a simple SPST switch in place of the Set button. You would flip it "on" to leave the frequency display on all the time, and then flip it "off" to allow re-tuning. p.s. My Delco is still Mono-only on FM... but I don't care... it's Stereo on AM and that's all that counts! From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Feb 06 07:18:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 6 Feb 2002 15:18:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 29090 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2002 15:15:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2002 15:15:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14208.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.72) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2002 15:15:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20020206151507.59563.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 07:15:07 PST Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 07:15:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: Can our group snag some of these goodies? To: Dennis AMstereo IAAAS List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Is any of our group in the running for the eBay Cquam generator or monitors? I don't want this to fall into enemy hands... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From 1377.3mp@start.com.au Wed Feb 06 11:52:14 2002 Return-Path: <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Sender: 1377.3mp@start.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 6 Feb 2002 19:52:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 55682 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2002 19:52:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2002 19:52:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.84) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2002 19:52:13 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.178] by n34.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2002 19:52:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 19:52:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: FM quality from a Sony SRF-42 Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 291 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Originating-IP: 213.121.66.161 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69495942 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan I've recently been sent an MP3 of 'Radio Studio X' from a guy in Italy. He claims it was recorded on a SRF-42* very near to where the station is located. I've converted to WMA and uploaded to the files area. Just music no jingles... *This is very unlikely due to the very high quality From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Feb 06 13:02:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 6 Feb 2002 21:02:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 37469 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2002 21:02:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2002 21:02:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.62) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2002 21:02:42 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.169] by n12.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2002 21:02:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 21:02:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FM quality from a Sony SRF-42 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 492 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.17 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I've recently been sent an MP3 of 'Radio Studio X' from a guy in > Italy. He claims it was recorded on a SRF-42* very near to where the > station is located. I've converted to WMA and uploaded to the files > area. Just music no jingles... Can you please re-send it in the original MP3 format? I don't use Windows Media Player and it's a very large and complex program to download and set up just to play one file (not to mention how I avoid Microsoft products whenever possible). From rjskadl@yahoo.com Wed Feb 06 21:49:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 7 Feb 2002 05:49:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 4851 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2002 05:49:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2002 05:49:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.58) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2002 05:49:39 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.162] by n8.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2002 05:49:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 05:49:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FM quality from a Sony SRF-42 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 695 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl I think this is the real deal. Either that or a very good simulation. The sound quality is good. Keep in mind that he is "Very close to the Station" and that he is in Italy. Remember that we have that wonderful (sarcasm) 10k audio bandwidth limit on our AM stations here in the US, but not all countries do that. It was only circa 10 years or so ago that we adopted the NRSC Standards here in the US. I do not know what the bandwidth rules are for Italy if there even are rules. But I do think it is possible for an AM to sound that good. With today's advanced processors, an engineer with a good ear and a lot of patience can get an AM to sound exceptionally well. -Rusty From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Feb 06 22:00:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 7 Feb 2002 06:00:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 55210 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2002 06:00:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2002 06:00:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.81) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2002 06:00:04 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.170] by n31.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2002 06:00:04 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 06:00:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Stereo songs Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 398 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I am looking for songs that specifically mention "stereo" in the lyrics. So far I have the following: The Cars - "Moving In Stereo" (1978) Gary Myrick & The Figures - "She Talks In Stereo" (1980) Chilliwack - "Living In Stereo" (1981) Any others out there? It doesn't have to include the word "stereo" in the song title as long as it makes some reference to Stereo in the song's lyrics. From n0uiheric@aol.com Wed Feb 06 22:27:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 7 Feb 2002 06:27:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 53032 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2002 06:27:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2002 06:27:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2002 06:27:53 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id r.17f.3310921 (3892); Thu, 7 Feb 2002 01:27:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <17f.3310921.29937866@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 01:27:50 EST Subject: Comments About To Be Filed With FCC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: SOUNDOFF@topica.com, jazzjockebstevenson@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih These comments are being filed with the FCC in reference to NPRM 01-329 on multiple ownership of local market radio stations. Some of these ideas may not be popular, but I feel such changes are necessary to increase diversity in radio and preserve proven technologies. -------------------------------------------------------------- Comments to the Federal Communications Commission Re: Rules on Multiple Ownership of Local Market Radio Stations Filed by Eric S. Bueneman (a.k.a. E.B. Stevenson), a former commercial radio worker February 5, 2002 I am writing to comment on the Commission's comprehensive examination of it's rules on multiple ownership of local market radio stations. I strongly believe that the present rules have created an anti-competitive environment in commercial broadcasting that has resulted in the loss of over 11,000 jobs in the last five years, and a switch to unreliable automation systems and voicetracking from very reliable on-air talent. If this continues, in my honest opinion, it would mean the death the commercial broadcast industry from a lack of creativity in programming, lack of acceptance of existing technologies, lack of interest in serving the public, failure to invest in new talent, and the loss of it's remaining listeners. The current rules have raised major barriers to entry, not only in station ownership, but also in broadcast employment. Many stations have been left in the hands of unqualified corporate owners (most notably Clear Channel Communications) run largely by whites. Not enough African-Americans are being encouraged to own a piece of commercial broadcasting's pie; nor are enough Hispanics, Native Americans and Asian-Americans. Arab-Americans are, for the most part, not being encouraged to own commercial broadcast facilities The disabled are totally shut out of station ownership. Not enough viewpoints are presented on our airwaves; nor are there enough sources and outlets for the diverse viewpoints that are in the marketplace. That doesn't stop there. The broadcast workplace continues to be basically a whites-only and able-bodied-only society. During the entire time I was looking for work in commercial broadcasting, the vast majority of people that worked at commercial broadcast outlets were primarily white. I saw very few African-Americans in support positions in commercial radio; Native Americans, Asian-Americans, Arab-Americans, Hispanics and the disabled were basically absent from the commercial broadcast workplace. This translates to a homogeneous (whites-only, able-bodied-only) broadcast workplace which, in my humble opinion, is not in the best interests of the commercial broadcast industry. A homogeneous broadcast workplace also does not foster better relations between commercial broadcasters and the communities they claim to serve. In all my radio station visits to apply for work, I didn't see many facilities adapted for access to workers who, due to a physical disability, are confined to wheelchairs. An inaccessible broadcast workplace also does not foster better community relations on the part of the commercial broadcaster. These stations are operating in violation of the accessibility guidelines, as outlined in the Americans with Disabilities Act. What many stations don't realize is that state and federal government agencies will underwrite up to fifty percent of the cost of adapting the station for wheelchair access under the Americans with Disabilities Act; many stations can receive a tax credit (especially here in Missouri, with a "circuit breaker" tax credit for hiring the disabled now in effect). These stations don't know how much in salaries and taxes they would save by hiring a worker with even a minor disability. The biggest lie of commercial broadcasters is conspicuously placed on their employment applications; their illegitimate claim to be an "equal opportunity employer". How can they be an "equal opportunity employer" when they only offer most of their positions to able-bodied whites? If they won't offer employment opportunities to ethnic minorities and the disabled, then they CANNOT LEGALLY claim to be an "equal opportunity employer". Discrimination on the basis of race is a violation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, while discrimination on the basis of disability in employment and accessibility to employment is a clear violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990. In other words, commercial radio has become an UNEQUAL opportunity employer. Commercial radio also is a very anti-family business. A number of broadcast workers have had bad experiences in relocating to other markets; often pulling them away from family members and loved ones. A disconcertingly large number of broadcast workers either remain single or have wound up getting divorced at least once. What if this personality doesn't want to relocate from his/her hometown because their families need them? What if that person is married, and doesn't see any logic in risking that particular marriage in the name of career advancement? There's no justifiable need to discriminate against them just because they have the majority of their family members, friends or loved ones living in that market. I strongly believe that homegrown talent (talent born, raised and/or trained for the commercial broadcast business in the market a particular station is in) is just as good, if not better, than the talent many radio stations import from other markets; they're generally less expensive to pay than talent brought in from outside the market. I see no logic in discriminating against homegrown talent. Discrimination against homegrown talent is also discrimination on the basis of orgin; which is illegal under the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Commercial radio needs to be more family-friendly; encouraging marriage and family over singleness, staying close to family and friends over leaving his/her hometown for a town in which they don't know anything about or anyone in, and more pro-family attitudes in hiring. Commercial broadcasters should also be more open to hiring homegrown talent. In other words, they should encourage more radio people to stay in their hometowns if they don't want to try their hand in other markets, and should make hiring homegrown talent more of a priority than bringing in out-of-market talent who don't know anything about the market. On-air policies that favor more homegrown talent should be actively encouraged, not discouraged. I am also appalled at the requirement that I have to give up my religious beliefs to work in commercial broadcasting. I am a Roman Catholic who has set certain principles for myself. That means no ridiculing of any faith (even my own), no disparaging remarks about minorities, and no use of objectionable language on my shows. I was taught not to even say "damn" on the air; I have kept that rule faithfully. Working commercially, in my case, would mean being forced to ridicule my own faith, ethnic minorities, and use of objectionable language (even sexual innuendos) on the airwaves. My faith is something that's very sacred to me; I strongly believe it's morally wrong to give up my faith in God for the sake of advancing my career. I also believe it's wrong for a Muslim, a Jew or even a Hindu to give up his or her faith to work in commercial radio. Many commercial radio stations do not count non-commercial radio experience as ACTUAL WORK EXPERIENCE. Not counting non-commercial radio experience as actual work experience puts no value on the HARD WORK of radio personalities who have worked hard for many years in non-commercial radio. Not only does not counting non-commercial work experience toward his/her next commercial job negate the value of hard work, but is also ILLEGAL. This policy is indicative of very negative attitudes in commercial broadcast employment. No matter if that person has worked commercially or primarily in non-commercial radio, both types of radio station experience is ACTUAL WORK EXPERIENCE in legal terms. Corporate owners are especially guilty of these negative attitudes against non-commercial broadcast workers, past and present. In the opinion of this displaced commercial broadcast worker, it's HIGH TIME that commercial radio stations be REQUIRED to count non-commercial broadcast experience as actual work experience. I also believe that commercial broadcasters should be required to work with the colleges and universities that own the majority of non-commercial educational radio stations to help place new air talent in their first commercial jobs. Otherwise, commercial stations are cutting themselves off from a huge pool of viable air talent and support personnel. Creativity in programming has also declined. Who wants to listen to Howard Stern proffering female dates to lesbians, doing play-by-play of couples having sexual relations, cutting down ethnic minorities, or outraging the Roman Catholic Church with his "Virgin Mary Kong" skit? Absolutely no one. Who wants to listen to Bubba "The Hate Sponge" (he has no right to be called "The Love Sponge") killing a live animal on the air? Absolutely no one. Sex-driven or bloodthirsty "shock radio" is not the kind of programming that is considered to be creative, nor is it entertaining to the vast majority of American radio listeners. Politically-driven "shock radio", like Rush Limbaugh, may be okay for listeners. Where has all the creativity gone in radio? It's gone to non-commercial educational radio stations. College radio has been the most creative when it comes to radio programming since the commercial broadcast business became virtually unregulated. College and public radio has seen an increase in listenership due to their high quality programming, high standards of creativity, strict adherence to FCC rules (one prime example of strictly adhering to FCC rules can be found at non-commercial KCFV Ferguson, MO, operating at 89.5 MHz), and high production standards. One sad example of commercial broadcasting's inability to deliver high-quality programming occurred on September 11, 2001. Through my monitoring of the radio dial that day, Clear Channel Communications' six St. Louis area radio stations had to rely on other outlets; a result of their decimation of dedicated news operations. Clear Channel-owned stations across the United States had to rely on television networks (such as CNN) for continuing coverage of the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon (very likely without permission), as well as the radio networks available to them. An even worse example was at it's Miami stations; they put people on the air that had NO NEWS EXPERIENCE. Clear Channel Communications has persisted in putting on inexperienced air talent instead of air talent that has put in 15 years (like myself) or more in both commercial and non-commercial radio. Overnight programming has basically lost it's personality; these stations are either automated or use voicetracked DJs in this time slot (in violation of Rule 73.1208). Some weekend shifts have gone that route, in addition to a number of weekday airshifts, too. These questionable moves have wiped out many of the "springboard shifts" in which air talent have depended on to build name recognition. In other words, commercial radio is trying to wipe out it's "farm system". Today's anti-competitive environment has encouraged too much corporate ownership of commercial radio stations, and not enough local ownership of these same stations. Further deregulation of the commercial broadcast business, especially radio, would not be in the best interests of the industry or commercial radio's remaining listeners. In fact, further deregulation of commercial radio (as well as television and the rest of commercial media) would lead to a basically totalitarian media system in the United States; similar to that in the People's Republic of China or the former Soviet Union. Many corporate owners are also demanding unrealistic profit margins that are totally unattainable. It's no wonder the majority of the major radio monopolies are still bleeding red ink. I strongly believe that corporate radio station owners have lost the trust and confidence of the radio audience. It's time that the FCC ban ownership of commercial radio stations by corporations (such as Clear Channel Communications) with no real visions for radio as a servant of the public interest, and place these stations in the hands of individuals and companies (like Crawford Broadcasting Company) who have REAL VISION for the commercial radio business; those who believe in commercial radio not only as a business, but as a public service to it's listeners. In other words, I don't think companies like Clear Channel Communications should ever own radio stations again. In addition, I don't think American broadcast owners should own any stations outside North America. Clear Channel Communications, for instance, owns a number of stations outside North America. In my honest opinion, a multitude of owners would be better for the commercial radio business than placing commercial radio in fewer hands, as has been the case since 1996. National ownership of local radio should not be as encouraged as it is currently; more local and regional ownership of local radio should be strictly encouraged. Too many radio stations are attempting to cover entire markets with powers that do not allow them to cover the whole area. One example is KIRL St. Charles, MO. The station is owned by Bronco Broadcasting Company, and operates on 1460 kHz. The station's 5,000-watt daytime power/pattern does not adequately cover the Illinois suburbs during the day; it's 500-watt nighttime array (which is currently off the air) can only cover St. Charles and northern St. Louis County, MO adequately. Yet, it's attempting to serve the entire St. Louis metropolitan area. If I had owned that station, I would be better off serving St. Charles and the northern suburbs of St. Louis than trying to serve the entire market, which the station's signal cannot adequately cover. It's also the same on FM; a Class A signal in a metro area only covers a portion of that area, not the entire metro area. So, a Class A would be better serving that particular part of town than trying to serve a market it cannot adequately cover. Another type of owner that should be encouraged is one who is willing to put on a suburban-oriented format in a large or major market. Sadly, one proven technology has been largely neglected since 1996; AM stereo. The requirement of AM stereo operations on the expanded AM band, between 1610 and 1700 kHz, has kept the number of AM Stereo stations above the 300-station mark. The claim that "AM stereo is dead" is largely bogus; another corporate lie. However, a number of leading broadcasters, largely led by Clear Channel Communications, have dropped this proven technology because of illegitimate claims over the number of receivers (24 million in the marketplace at last check, and the number is slowly increasing) and coverage concerns (AM stereo has NOT been proven to reduce coverage, unlike FM stereo, as corporate broadcasters like Clear Channel Communications and Journal Broadcasting have illegitimately claimed without any technical proof). I also believe that the "AM is dead" claim that commercial broadcasters have claimed for over a quarter of a century is also bogus. I still see potential in AM radio, even for music formats that FM stations refuse to carry. I strongly believe that stereophonic broadcasting-only policies, such as one largely embraced by Crawford Broadcasting Company, is in the best interests of commercial radio. In addition, the AM stereo-only mandate in the expanded AM band (1610-1700 kHz) should be extended to the former Class I-A Clears. In other words, AM stations operating with 50,000 watts of power utilizing non-directional antenna systems at all hours should, regardless of format, be required to broadcast in AM stereo. Some of these stations still carry music programming; including WSM Nashville, TN (operating at 650 kHz). Should the AM stereo-only mandate be extended to the former I-A Clears, WFAN (660 kHz) New York, NY; WGN (720 kHz) Chicago, IL; WJR (760 kHz) Detroit, MI; WBAP (820 kHz) Fort Worth, TX; WLS (890 kHz) Chicago, IL and WPHT (1210 kHz) Philadelphia, PA would already be in compliance. The others should be given a maximum of two years to comply. Instead, broadcasters are testing an unproven technology called In-Band, On-Channel Digital Audio Broadcasting (IBOC-DAB). The results, so far, have been very disappointing. IBOC-DAB is totally incompatible with analog broadcasting; it is an audio version of a fax machine. In other words, all of the five billion receivers in the marketplace would become obsolete if conversion to IBOC-DAB becomes mandatory. Also, a vast majority of smaller and independent broadcasters; mostly on AM but also smaller FM stations, would be forced to leave the air if IBOC-DAB conversion becomes mandatory. Demand for terrestrial DAB is non-existent; just look at Canada and Europe. Listeners in Canada and Europe still listen to local AM and FM stations. And, what's more, the AM and FM bands ARE NOT ALLOCATED anywhere in the world for terrestrial DAB; the L-Band (used for the proven Eureka 147 system in Canada and Europe) has been allocated worldwide for terrestrial DAB. The Pentagon is actually in violation of international regulations by using the L-Band for it's interests, rather than moving to another band to make way for DAB. I strongly believe that DAB should be banned below 1 GHz (1000 MHz). American radio listeners will continue to accept analog broadcasting; so it would be in the best interests of the broadcast industry to keep the AM and FM bands going in it's present, analog form. The only appropriate place for DAB in the United States is on the new satellite services like XM Satellite Radio. One of the worst things I have seen in recent years has been the lack of interest in public service. Clear Channel Communications led the way when, for example, it closed down a charity for less fortunate children at one of it's Chicago stations, WNUA (FM). Infinity Broadcasting's KMOX (AM) has not broadcast an editorial on a subject of importance to it's St. Louis audience, as far as I know, since Rod Zimmerman left as General Manager. One thing in this department that has sickened me is charging non-profit and charitable organizations to air public service announcements on commercial radio stations (once again, Clear Channel Communications led the way). This is actually EXTORTION, which violates local, state and federal laws. PSAs are supposed to be aired FREE OF CHARGE to the non-profit and charitable organization. To top it all off, music-oriented stations are once again receiving financial inducements from record companies to air certain songs on their stations. Clear Channel Communications also leads in the area of acceptance of payola. These days, payola comes in other forms; anyone who doesn't book a concert at a Clear Channel-owned concert venue would have his/her songs yanked off Clear Channel's radio stations in an instant. Accepting payola is considered FRAUD; that's also in violation of local, state and federal laws. No radio station, regardless of size, should EVER accept a dime from record companies to air records on that particular station. As a DJ, I have never accepted one dime from a record company for playing certain songs on the air. How have these rules affected my hometown, St. Louis? Most of the commercial FMs are concentrated in the hands of four owners: Infinity Broadcasting, Clear Channel Communications, Emmis Communications and Bonneville International. Even Radio One owns one FM in the St. Louis market. The only commercial FM that remains independent is KFUO-FM, which operates on 99.1 MHz and is owned by the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod. By contrast, the only St. Louis area AMs owned by the major corporate entities are Infinity's KMOX (1120 kHz), Bonneville's WRTH (1430 kHz) and Clear Channel's KATZ (1600 kHz). The remaining AMs are either locally-owned or owned by smaller companies. Seven years ago, St. Louis FM radio stations had such diverse owners as CBS, Zimmer Radio Group, American Radio Systems, Emmis Communications, Heritage Media, Universal Broadcasting Company and Coltre Broadcasting Company(formerly known as Bethalto Broadcasting Company) Just three years ago, St. Louis had seven stations broadcasting in AM stereo (even though one was only doing it at night); today, four stations still broadcast in AM stereo (two are owned by Crawford Broadcasting Company). Most of the stations that promote any semblance of diversity are non-commercial educational radio stations, such as Double Helix Corporation's KDHX (88.1 MHz), or smaller independent broadcasters, such as Norman Broadcasting Company's WGNU (920 kHz). WGNU also presents diverse viewpoints on their talk shows; a rarity in local radio. Commercial broadcast deregulation has severely affected me as a broadcast worker. I was never able to reach my full commercial potential. Instead of at least working an overnight shift at a commercial radio station, I am working at a public radio station instead. Instead of making an honest living in commercial radio, I have never been able to make more than $5.50 per hour. Instead of working for a major broadcast corporation, I have only worked for commercial independent radio stations. I have not worked commercially since Coltre Broadcasting Company sold WFUN-FM Bethalto, IL (95.5 MHz) to Radio One in 1999. As long as commercial radio continues to remain virtually unregulated, I will steadfastly refuse to accept employment in the commercial radio field. This is because I have certain principles I am sworn to uphold. My intention of entering the commercial broadcast field was to make an honest living for myself, to entertain my audience without having to resort to such desperate measures as shocking an audience, and to serve the community I live in. I entered the radio field in 1985 as a college freshman working for a non-commercial educational radio station in the St. Louis area; I am lucky to still be working in public radio. Unfortunately, because of corporate insensitivity and negative attitudes by station programmers (especially toward my hard work and dedication), I was forced to discontinue searching for commercial broadcast employment in the spring of 2001. Even though I had earned an Associate of Arts degree in Communication Arts with emphasis on Broadcasting, and collected (so far) sixteen years' experience at non-commercial educational and smaller, independent commercial radio stations, that wasn't good enough for corporate radio. I had tried everything I had at my disposal to find a new position in the years I was looking for work in commercial radio. People I knew in the business, many of whom I worked with before, wouldn't help me land that position. Not even the National Association of Broadcasters' Employment Clearinghouse would help me find a suitable position. One bad example came with Clear Channel. I had E-mailed the Program Director at one of their St. Louis stations, KLOU (FM), inquiring about the requirements for the position of Announcer at the station. I was never able to find out because that Program Director had been fired. Therefore, I was not allowed to even apply for that position, despite my knowledge of popular music in the 1950s, '60s and early '70s. The management of the college radio station I started at had expected me to break into commercial broadcasting and make a living at it; because of a hostile and virtually unregulated environment, I have not been allowed to realize my full commercial potential. What has been the cost of the commercial radio industry's lack of vision? Thousands of dollars in lost wages, financial independence, and a sense of satisfaction in my work and career. The biggest cost was a fiancee; that price was paid in September 1993. The commercial radio industry, especially corporate broadcasters, no longer deserve my respect; this comes not only from the perspective of a former broadcast worker, but also from the perspective of a radio listener. It has performed a major public disservice by abandoning me, the listener on Main Street, in favor of satisfying the "suits" on Wall Street. It has abandoned legitimate, "play by the rules" personalities, such as myself, in favor of illegitimate, "break all the rules" personalities like Howard Stern and Bubba "The Hate Sponge". I urge the Commission to ignore the demands of the National Association of Broadcasters, who are not serving the best interests of the commercial radio industry, and totally reregulate the commercial broadcast industry. If a virtually unregulated, hostile, anti-competitive environment is allowed to continue, then commercial radio will lose it's remaining audience. The industry will no longer be attractive to college students considering careers in radio, and, most of all, a continuation of an illegally homogeneous workforce which will ruin the industry. Reregulation of commercial broadcasting may be too late to save my career, but is needed to preserve the careers of other legitimate, "play by the rules" personalities. The illegitimate, "break all the rules" personalities like Stern and Bubba should be taken off the air permanently, and not be allowed to ever return to the airwaves. Commercial radio is in desperate need of cleanup; only reregulation will return sanity and high standards to a once-viable industry. -------------------------------------- 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://members.aol.com/n0uiheric/TurnOffClearChannel.html http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/turnoffclearchannel From 1377.3mp@start.com.au Thu Feb 07 14:00:10 2002 Return-Path: <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Sender: 1377.3mp@start.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 7 Feb 2002 22:00:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 83954 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2002 22:00:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2002 22:00:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.51) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2002 22:00:05 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.128] by n1.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2002 22:00:04 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 22:00:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FM quality from a Sony SRF-42 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 926 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Originating-IP: 213.121.67.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69495942 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@y..., "rjskadl" wrote: > > I think this is the real deal. Either that or a very good > simulation. The sound quality is good. Keep in mind that he > is "Very close to the Station" and that he is in Italy. Remember > that we have that wonderful (sarcasm) 10k audio bandwidth limit on > our AM stations here in the US, but not all countries do that. It > was only circa 10 years or so ago that we adopted the NRSC Standards > here in the US. I do not know what the bandwidth rules are for Italy > if there even are rules. But I do think it is possible for an AM to > sound that good. With today's advanced processors, an engineer with > a good ear and a lot of patience can get an AM to sound exceptionally > well. -Rusty Oh yes I realize AM can sound that good. Take 3MP in Australia for example but IMO CD quality from a SRF-42 personal, no I don't think so! From 1377.3mp@start.com.au Thu Feb 07 14:07:09 2002 Return-Path: <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Sender: 1377.3mp@start.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 7 Feb 2002 22:07:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 73651 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2002 22:07:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2002 22:07:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.51) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2002 22:07:08 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.35] by n1.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2002 22:06:54 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 22:06:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FM quality from a Sony SRF-42 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 909 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Originating-IP: 213.121.67.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69495942 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > > I've recently been sent an MP3 of 'Radio Studio X' from a guy in > > Italy. He claims it was recorded on a SRF-42* very near to where the > > station is located. I've converted to WMA and uploaded to the files > > area. Just music no jingles... > > Can you please re-send it in the original MP3 format? I don't use > Windows Media Player and it's a very large and complex program to > download and set up just to play one file (not to mention how I avoid > Microsoft products whenever possible). Ok perhaps just download the older version of media player v6.4 ? About a 3MB download I think and uses very little resourses and has'nt got all the extra junk which u don't need... Only converted as the MP3 file was 2.6MB and I would have run out of space in the files area. I'll email it to you ok ? check your inbox soon From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Feb 07 14:53:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 7 Feb 2002 22:53:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 96720 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2002 22:53:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2002 22:53:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.65) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2002 22:53:20 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.161] by n15.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2002 22:52:37 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 22:53:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FM quality from a Sony SRF-42 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 867 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.40 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Only converted as the MP3 file was 2.6MB and I would have run out of > space in the files area. I'll email it to you ok ? check your inbox > soon I rearranged things in the Files section of this Forum and now there is more room, so you can upload it there. (Don't worry -- nothing was deleted -- I just removed some of the files that are available on the AM Stereo Advantage web site to avoid duplication.) Anyway, if you think it sounds "too good" to be AM Stereo, the best way to check would be to analyse the audio in a program like Cool Edit and see if it contains a 25 Hz C-Quam pilot tone. Of course it is possible to broadcast and receive AM Stereo without a pilot tone (just ask the folks at 790 CIGM in Canada), but I assume since Radio Studio X promotes their AM Stereo so heavily, they would make sure they are broadcasting it properly. From 1377.3mp@start.com.au Thu Feb 07 16:44:59 2002 Return-Path: <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Sender: 1377.3mp@start.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 8 Feb 2002 00:44:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 57692 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2002 00:44:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2002 00:44:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.53) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2002 00:44:58 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.32] by n3.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2002 00:44:57 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 00:44:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FM quality from a Sony SRF-42 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1058 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Originating-IP: 213.121.70.120 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69495942 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Ok thanks I have sent you the MP3 and will upload here soon. I will try cool edit. --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > > Only converted as the MP3 file was 2.6MB and I would have run out of > > space in the files area. I'll email it to you ok ? check your inbox > > soon > > I rearranged things in the Files section of this Forum and now there > is more room, so you can upload it there. (Don't worry -- nothing was > deleted -- I just removed some of the files that are available on the > AM Stereo Advantage web site to avoid duplication.) > > Anyway, if you think it sounds "too good" to be AM Stereo, the best > way to check would be to analyse the audio in a program like Cool Edit > and see if it contains a 25 Hz C-Quam pilot tone. Of course it is > possible to broadcast and receive AM Stereo without a pilot tone (just > ask the folks at 790 CIGM in Canada), but I assume since Radio Studio > X promotes their AM Stereo so heavily, they would make sure they are > broadcasting it properly. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Feb 07 17:00:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 8 Feb 2002 01:00:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 1585 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2002 01:00:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2002 01:00:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.52) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2002 01:00:10 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.175] by n2.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2002 01:00:09 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 01:00:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Delco radio BS Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020205133508.88755.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 546 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.40 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics FYI, I found out that with a Delco radio, you can still change the frequency while you have the Set button "locked in" to keep the frequency on the display continuously.... just twist the tuning knob the desired number of "clicks", and then tap the Seek button. For example if you were on 1500 kHz and you turned the knob three clicks up, at first nothing will change, but when you hit the Seek button it will jump up to 1530 kHz, just like you asked for. And after re-tuning like this, it still will not flip back to the time display. From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Thu Feb 07 17:06:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11385 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2002 01:06:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2002 01:06:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.81) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2002 01:06:01 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [216.115.96.144] by n31.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2002 01:06:00 -0000 Date: 8 Feb 2002 01:05:59 -0000 Message-ID: <1013130359.1018062.80268.w57@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /ascolto_am.mp3 Uploaded by : amstereofan <1377.3mp@start.com.au> Description : Radio Studio X - Italy. AM stereo sample rec on a Sony SRF-42 You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/ascolto_am.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, amstereofan <1377.3mp@start.com.au> From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Feb 07 18:29:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 8 Feb 2002 02:29:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 19202 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2002 02:29:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2002 02:29:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.52) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2002 02:29:42 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.128] by n2.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2002 02:29:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 02:29:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Radio Studio X: the verdict Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 827 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.40 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Here is the low-end frequency response graph from Cool Edit: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~ktekel/rstudiox.gif As you can see, the 25 Hz C-Quam pilot tone is definitely there.... the recording also has some AC hum in it, which is properly represented as 50, 100, and 150 Hz "spikes" on the graph, corresponding to the 50 Hz AC power frequency of Europe. So, the MP3 of Radio Studio X appears to be a legimitate off-the-air recording of AM Stereo.... however, the frequency response is still a bit wide for the Sony SRF-42, which has a sharp 10 kHz whistle filter to meet AMAX specs, and I don't really see that in the overall frequency response of the recording.... perhaps it was made on a Sony SRF-A1 or SRF-A100, whose wider response and lack of whistle filter would better correspond to what is in the recording. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Feb 07 18:36:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 8 Feb 2002 02:36:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 66592 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2002 02:36:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2002 02:36:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.73) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2002 02:36:24 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.110] by n23.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2002 02:36:24 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 02:36:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Radio Studio X: the verdict Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 584 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.40 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Here is the low-end frequency response graph from Cool Edit: BTW, just to clarify, this is not a "frequency response" graph, per=20 s=E9, so don't expect anything like a flat line that a real frequency=20 response graph would be... this is just a "snap-shot" of the response=20 at one particular moment in the recording. Tip: With Cool Edit 2000, if you have "Show levels on Play and=20 Record" in Options turned on, start playing a file, and then hit=20 Alt-Z. You will get a "live" frequency response graph on your screen=20 that functions as a real-time spectrum analyser... very cool! From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Feb 08 01:07:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 8 Feb 2002 09:07:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 77203 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2002 09:07:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2002 09:07:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2002 09:07:56 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.39]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 04:03:31 -0500 Message-ID: <004501c1b07f$5c0d5f80$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Delco radio BS Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 04:02:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Excellent! good to know.. cc ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics > FYI, I found out that with a Delco radio, you can still change the > frequency while you have the Set button "locked in" to keep the > frequency on the display continuously.... just twist the tuning knob > the desired number of "clicks", and then tap the Seek button From KC4QLP@aol.com Fri Feb 08 11:01:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 8 Feb 2002 19:01:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 87090 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2002 19:01:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2002 19:01:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2002 19:01:10 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.27.228c5867 (3843) for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:00:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <27.228c5867.29957a44@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:00:20 EST Subject: Re: [NRC-am] E-mail reply from WDHP St. Croix, USVI To: amstereo@nrcdxas.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Looks like a new station maybe operating in stereo....has anyone verified this one? << Subj: [NRC-am] E-mail reply from WDHP St. Croix, USVI Date: 2/7/02 2:34:57 PM Eastern Standard Time From: niel@ican.net (Niel Wolfish) Reply-to: am@nrcdxas.org To: am@nrcdxas.org Got this e-mail this about 20 minutes after sending a messge to WRRA this morning: Niel Wolfish Toronto, Ontario ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - Greetings from Reef Broadcasting Inc. WRRA 1290AM, WAXJ 103.5FM and our newest addition WDHP 1620AM broadcasting out of Frederisted St. croix U.S. Virgin Islands. Glad to know you heard us this morning. WDHP officially when on the air last night after days of testing. We are broadcasting at 10,000 watts in digital stereo. Hope you will try and tune in again. 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SONY, SRF-M78 SPORTS FM/AM WALKMAN http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1331069148 CHRYSLER DODGE INFINITY CD-CASSETTE AM/FM OEM http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1330474517 Electro Brand Model 2971 Shortwave Portable http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1331182940 CHRYSLER DODGE INFINITY CD-CASSETTE AM/FM OEM http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=602122641&r=0&t=0 Alpine CD/Tuner & DSP-Surround(with tape) CDA http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1702160932 From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Feb 09 01:26:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 9 Feb 2002 09:26:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 76129 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2002 09:26:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2002 09:26:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2002 09:26:51 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.47]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 04:22:30 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01c1b14b$2a9bc640$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} More AM Stereo Stuff on eBay Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 04:21:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 The "Electro-Brand" and the Sony SRFM78 do NOT have am stereo. cc ----- Original Message ----- From: jsgilst To: Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 4:19 AM Subject: {AMSF} More AM Stereo Stuff on eBay > Here's some AM Stereo stuff on eBay > From 1377.3mp@start.com.au Sat Feb 09 06:28:47 2002 Return-Path: <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Sender: 1377.3mp@start.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 9 Feb 2002 14:28:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 30135 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2002 14:28:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2002 14:28:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.65) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2002 14:28:45 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.173] by n15.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2002 14:28:04 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 14:28:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Radio Studio X: the verdict Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 358 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Originating-IP: 213.121.68.115 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69495942 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > Here is the low-end frequency response graph from Cool Edit: > > http://remus.rutgers.edu/~ktekel/rstudiox.gif > Just loaded the mp3 into Cool Edit 2000 and I don't get the same display as you at all. I changed the range to 144db also. Did you 'do anything' to the mp3 first ? Dave From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Feb 09 14:00:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 9 Feb 2002 22:00:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 30445 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2002 22:00:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2002 22:00:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.56) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2002 22:00:16 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.129] by n6.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2002 22:00:16 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 22:00:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Radio Studio X: the verdict Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 961 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.70.35 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Just loaded the mp3 into Cool Edit 2000 and I don't get the same > display as you at all. I changed the range to 144db also. Did you > 'do anything' to the mp3 first ? I used Edit / Convert Sample Type to re-sample it from 44100 Hz down to 500 Hz. Since the audio response is half of the sampling rate, this gives the 0 to 250 Hz scale you see on the graph. I did this because Cool Edit's spectrum analyser has a limited "precision". In order to get an accurate graph of the low frequencies, you have to "zoom in" by re-sampling the file down to a much lower sampling rate. The sampling rate is twice the maximum audio frequency response, so a 500 Hz sampling rate gives the 250 Hz range you see on the graph. And for example, if I wanted to zoom in on the 0 to 5000 Hz range, I would re-sample the file to 10000 Hz. After you re-sample the file, just select it all, hit Alt-Z, and click on Scan to get the response graph of the whole file. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Feb 09 16:25:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 10 Feb 2002 00:25:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 71139 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2002 00:25:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2002 00:25:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.77) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2002 00:25:46 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.146] by n27.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2002 00:25:46 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 00:25:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FM quality from a Sony SRF-42 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1800 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.70.35 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Remember that we have that wonderful (sarcasm) 10k audio bandwidth > limit on our AM stations here in the US, but not all countries do > that. BTW, the same thing applies to the shortwave band as well. Most shortwave stations limit their audio to about 4.5 to 6 kHz of response, while some do not. I am listening to the Voice Of Turkey from Ankara right now on my 1950s Hallicrafters S-38C shortwave radio and the fidelity is absolutely incredible for shortwave -- it even sounds more crisp and clear than local (NRSC-limited) AM stations. This is mostly due to the radio I am using; it's a travesty how poor the fidelity is on today's solid-state shortwave radios. I still think the only good radio to use on SW is one that uses vacuum tubes. You just can't get that kind of sensitivity and audio quality from any SW radios made in the past few decades. I have my Hallicrafters' "Earphone" jack hooked up to a pair of 12-inch woofers and a pair of 6-1/2 inch full range speakers and it fills my room with sound that is louder, cleaner, and richer in quality than my "stereo system". Four big speakers powered by an "earphone" jack -- you can't do that with any solid-state radio because their audio output is so weak. But my little Halli still pales in comparison to the grand old "console" radios from the '30s through the '50s.... a real radio should be a *piece of furniture*, not just something you plop on a table and plug in! And speaking of all this... anybody still toying with the idea of making an AM Stereo decoder that exclusively uses vacuum tubes? It certainly *can* be done -- and it should actually be less complex than a tube-based MPX FM Stereo decoder. (That's another bit of radio nostalgia... all-tube FM Stereo radios from the early 1960s!) From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Feb 09 20:42:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 10 Feb 2002 04:42:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 5470 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2002 04:42:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2002 04:42:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.83) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2002 04:42:15 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.128] by n33.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2002 04:42:15 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 04:42:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Radio Studio X Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 657 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.158 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Here is a picture of the Motorola C-Quam exciter on the equipment rack at Radio Studio X in Italy: http://www.radiostudiox.it/cquam.html Interestingly, this link came up on the very first page of results after typing "c-quam" into www.Google.com. Their exciter looks like a regular USA model... I wonder if it can directly handle the 220V AC line voltage, or if they had to use a voltage converter to provide it with a U.S. 110V supply. And even then, there is the AC frequency difference (50 Hz for Europe, 60 Hz for USA) to consider. All of this might be the cause of the slight 50/100/150 Hz AC hum that is heard in the "SRF-42" recording. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Feb 09 21:50:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 10 Feb 2002 05:50:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 37377 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2002 05:50:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2002 05:50:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14204.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.146) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2002 05:50:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20020210055018.81221.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.162.18.173] by web14204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 21:50:17 PST Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 21:50:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: AMS on 990AM? To: Dennis AMstereo IAAAS List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Unable to ID a station on 990KHz broadcasting in Cquam tonight/early AM - all music, and no ID? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Feb 10 01:33:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 10 Feb 2002 09:33:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 29142 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2002 09:33:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2002 09:33:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2002 09:33:17 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.37]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 04:29:01 -0500 Message-ID: <001501c1b215$3b093100$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <20020210055018.81221.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS on 990AM? Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 04:27:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 That would be "Legends 990" in Rochester- a great Crawford station! CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Johnny Electron To: Dennis AMstereo IAAAS List Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 12:50 AM Subject: {AMSF} AMS on 990AM? > Unable to ID a station on 990KHz broadcasting in Cquam tonight/early > AM - all music, and no ID? From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Feb 10 01:35:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 10 Feb 2002 09:35:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 22512 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2002 09:35:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2002 09:35:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2002 09:35:22 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.37]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 04:31:06 -0500 Message-ID: <002101c1b215$85b6eda0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Studio X Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 04:30:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Radio Studio X bought several decoders and radios from me as well. They are rightfully quite proud of their station! CC ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics To: Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 11:42 PM Subject: {AMSF} Radio Studio X From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Feb 10 11:25:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 10 Feb 2002 19:25:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 72396 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2002 19:25:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2002 19:25:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.58) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2002 19:25:44 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.128] by n8.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2002 19:25:43 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 19:25:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AMS on 990AM? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001501c1b215$3b093100$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 517 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.81.29 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > That would be "Legends 990" in Rochester- a great Crawford station! Crawford AM Stereo stations are easily identified while DXing at night by the "fluttery" sound of the signal when it starts to fade out. This is because they tune their carrier to be about 15 Hz off-center, which eliminates platform motion for local nighttime listeners, at the expense of signal clarity for DX listeners. BTW, a few nights ago here in NJ I had a good DX signal from Oldies 960 CHNS in Halifax, but of course it was mono. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Feb 10 20:05:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 11 Feb 2002 04:05:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 97925 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 04:05:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2002 04:05:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.65) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 04:05:05 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.177] by n15.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2002 04:04:22 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 04:04:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fwd: WWV 10 MHz Spanish language interference Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2758 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.81.29 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I just posted this in the rec.radio.shortwave newsgroup. It is not relevant to AM Stereo but for those of you with shortwave radios, you may be interested in this. During the evening time, tune in time station WWV on 10 MHz and see if you can hear what I describe! =========== From: Kevin Tekel To: rec.radio.shortwave Subj: WWV 10 MHz Spanish language interference For years I have been noticing what I call "the party on WWV". Every night, underneath the signal of time station WWV on 10 MHz, I hear many people talking nonsense in Spanish. The most common phrase is "hola, hola, hola" (pronounced "ola", meaning "hello" in Spanish). And there is various other jabbering, yelling, whistling, even playing sound effects and music. This sounds a bit like a Spanish version of CB radio, except on top of WWV's signal. This is definitely happening right on 10.000 MHz as I have heard it for years on various different receviers in various different locations with all sorts of antennas. Many times the "party" is strong enough to be heard over WWV's signal even on a cheap pocket-size shortwave receiver using only the attached whip antenna. I have also noticed that I never heard this on 5 or 15 MHz; it is only on 10 MHz. Looking through the Deja archives, I see two previous discussions about this in this newsgroup, but nothing conclusive was found about the origins of these Spanish language transmissions occuring on 10 MHz. So.... is anybody else hearing this? And does anyone have any idea where it might be coming from (specific countries)? And what is the point of all this? There are no real conversations (QSO's) going on, per se, just a lot of jabbering and nonsense. One possible explanation I have heard is that this is from airplane pilots doing a radio check. They turn on their radio, tune in WWV to make sure the receiver part is working, and then without changing the frequency, they key up the transmitter and say "hola, hola, hola" into the microphone. OK, I can understand this happening maybe once in a while. But the stuff I hear on WWV is *way* too frequent to be this. People are saying "hola, hola, hola" like 10 times in a row, and there is all that other nonsense going on like whistling and yelling. I don't think there are this many Spanish-speaking airplane pilots in the whole world! If you have an MP3 player on your computer, you can download and listen to a recording of this "party on WWV" that I made tonight, from this web site: http://www.geocities.com/dieselweb/wwvparty.htm It often gets even worse than it is in the recording. Sometimes the Spanish voices are so strong they sound like they are coming from right in the USA. From 1377.3mp@start.com.au Mon Feb 11 05:23:04 2002 Return-Path: <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Sender: 1377.3mp@start.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 11 Feb 2002 13:23:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 22376 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 13:23:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2002 13:23:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.51) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 13:23:02 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.161] by n1.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2002 13:23:02 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:23:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Studio X Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002101c1b215$85b6eda0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 401 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Originating-IP: 213.121.69.81 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69495942 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Did you supply any SRF-42's ? --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Christopher Cuff" wrote: > Radio Studio X bought several decoders and radios from me as well. They are > rightfully quite proud of their station! > CC > ----- Original Message ----- > From: kevtronics > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 11:42 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Radio Studio X From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Feb 11 11:34:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 11 Feb 2002 19:34:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 67165 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 19:34:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2002 19:34:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11702.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.68) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 19:34:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20020211193413.93667.qmail@web11702.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.80.146.43] by web11702.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:34:13 PST Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:34:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fwd: WWV 10 MHz Spanish language interference To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Kevin, Is it some garbage from N.Y.C. maybe? I'll try to tune it in tonight. 73, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Feb 11 12:08:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 11 Feb 2002 20:08:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 21607 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 20:08:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2002 20:08:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.81) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 20:08:57 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.40] by n31.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2002 20:08:57 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 20:08:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fwd: WWV 10 MHz Spanish language interference Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020211193413.93667.qmail@web11702.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 576 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.190 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Is it some garbage from N.Y.C. maybe? I'll try to tune it in > tonight. All indications seem to point to it coming from South America. People blame it on everything from drug traffickers using "secret code words" to people just fooling around with their ham radios. One Spanish-speaking persion in the shortwave newsgroup identified the "hola hola hola" in my recording as coming from somebody with a deep South American accent, like Argentina. In any event, this is an interesting phenomenon, and sometimes the antics of these people can be funny to listen to! From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Feb 11 12:56:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 11 Feb 2002 20:56:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 64882 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 20:56:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2002 20:56:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 20:56:04 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.27]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:51:55 -0500 Message-ID: <001101c1b33d$c77e3a80$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <001501c1b32a$4445ada0$0501a8c0@warwick.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Studio X Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:50:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I think he does have a SRF42, but he got 2 Metrosounds and some MC13028 decoders from me.. man, had to have been well over a year ago. CC > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "amstereofan" <1377.3mp@start.com.au> > To: > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 8:23 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Studio X > > > > Did you supply any SRF-42's ? From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Feb 11 13:13:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 11 Feb 2002 21:13:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 31259 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 21:13:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2002 21:13:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 21:13:32 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.27]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:09:24 -0500 Message-ID: <002401c1b340$389740c0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <001501c1b32a$4445ada0$0501a8c0@warwick.net> <001101c1b33d$c77e3a80$0101a8c0@pavilion> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Studio X Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:08:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 BTW- the Metrosounds use the same chipset as the SRFA1 and SRFA100. I am still hoping to get more of these... cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher Cuff From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Feb 11 14:30:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 11 Feb 2002 22:30:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 8910 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 22:30:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2002 22:30:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.84) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 22:30:00 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.173] by n34.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2002 22:29:59 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 22:29:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Denon TU-680NAB on eBay Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 536 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.68.4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics This Denon just went for $130 on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1330667424 I think that's a bargain for one of the best tuners ever made. When Julian Hirsch of Stereo Review magazine tested it in 1993, he called it probably the best tuner he had ever tested (in his 30+ years of experience), in terms of both AM Stereo and FM Stereo sound quality. I will send a little note to the winning bidder, welcoming them to the world of AM Stereo and pointing them to the www.AMStereoRadio.com web site. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Feb 11 15:44:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 11 Feb 2002 23:44:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 42443 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 23:44:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2002 23:44:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11708.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.74) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 23:44:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20020211234446.83173.qmail@web11708.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.80.146.43] by web11708.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:44:46 PST Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:44:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Fwd: WWV 10 MHz Spanish language interference To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Kevin, As of 2340 GMT, I am getting some RTTY and whistling on 10MC/s. Is dusk here. 73, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Feb 11 17:57:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 12 Feb 2002 01:57:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 53493 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 01:57:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2002 01:57:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 01:57:57 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-84.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.84]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA12771 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:57:59 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <002d01c1b364$963769c0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <30.21a1b935.298e45b2@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Cquam station shutdown and equipment sell-off Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:28:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Dude, that station is *long* gone and never was stereo. Scott Todd (it's been over a week without the computer, so I'm getting rid of the backlog.) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 1:50 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Cquam station shutdown and equipment sell-off > I was hearing that it may be WPHG 1620 Atmore, AL. > > 73 and good DX from Eric From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Feb 11 20:15:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 12 Feb 2002 04:15:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 49223 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 04:15:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2002 04:15:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.64) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 04:15:30 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.120] by n14.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2002 04:17:23 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 04:15:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Cquam station shutdown and equipment sell-off Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002d01c1b364$963769c0$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 243 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.68.4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > > I was hearing that it may be WPHG 1620 Atmore, AL. > Dude, that station is *long* gone and never was stereo. That's odd, I remember a reception report from when they first went on the air that said their ID was "WPHG, 1620 AM STEREO". From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Feb 11 21:24:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 12 Feb 2002 05:24:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 87371 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 05:24:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2002 05:24:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.72) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 05:24:52 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.163] by n22.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2002 05:24:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 05:24:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Hi-fi shortwave Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1494 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.68.4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Please excuse the off-topicness of this, but the AM and FM bands have=20 gotten a bit "boring" for me lately, especially since I've=20 rediscovered the joy of my vintage 1950s shortwave receiver. Since shortwave stations are spaced on 5 kHz intervals, most chop off=20 their audio response at 4.5 to 5.5 kHz, for very dull sound. However,=20 there are a few stations that transmit with a wider bandwidth, for=20 much crisper, clearer sound. Two such examples that I have discovered are the Voice of Turkey from=20 Ankara, Turkey (an interesting blend of Middle Eastern culture and a=20 language that sounds eastern European), and also Radio Exterior de=20 Espa=F1a (REE) from Spain. I got a clean signal from REE tonight and the audio quality was simply=20 amazing for shortwave... their audio response is nearly 12 kHz, almost=20 FM quality! You can hear for yourself from this recording I made: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~ktekel/ree.mp3 Unfortunately, needless to say just like with the standard AM band,=20 most receivers are not nearly this high-fidelity.... shortwave radios=20 are even worse than AM, because the band is even more crowded. With=20 most receivers, a drop-off of audio response like a cliff at 3 kHz is=20 typical, even in so-called "Wide" mode. Thus the best choice for "hi-fi" shortwave (and AM!) is a classic=20 vacuum tube-type receiver. Not only do you get unmatched sensitivity=20 (tubes are still the best for picking up weak signals), but you get=20 this kind of wonderful audio quality. From 1377.3mp@start.com.au Tue Feb 12 07:55:34 2002 Return-Path: <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Sender: 1377.3mp@start.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 12 Feb 2002 15:55:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 65762 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 15:55:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2002 15:55:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.64) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 15:55:32 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.155] by n14.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2002 15:57:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:55:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT: Supplier of AM1000 Loop which ships to UK ? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 808 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Originating-IP: 213.121.71.135 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69495942 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan After waiting 6 weeks for an AM1000 to arrive it went kaput after only a week so I retunred it to Wholesale Advantage, This was 3 weeks ago, they have only just today replied to my emails saying they will not replace it as to quote 'we don't have one Funny that as they advertise the fact on the site Thye have only credited me the cost of the loop also so I'm losing out all round here :-( I asked for a replacement and got a refund. Any company I know in the UK would obviously order another one and let the customer know the situation etc. This is standard practice in the UK not in the US then ? Hopefully JUST Wholesale Adavantage... Does anyone know a more helpful and communicative compamny who stocks the AM1000 and who will ship to the UK incl a reasonable delivery charge ? Dave From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Feb 12 13:31:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 12 Feb 2002 21:31:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 24450 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 21:31:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2002 21:31:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 21:31:26 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.159]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:27:21 -0500 Message-ID: <003101c1b40b$e215bd40$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: Cc: Subject: Yee Haw! It's OVER! Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:26:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I am a free man! The papers came today, and now I am officially back in business! Now I can tell you about all the goodies coming. Pictures will be coming soon. Philips mini system with built in CD Recorder and AM Stereo, of course, And a nice CD micro system with AM stereo that is under $75.00- digital tuned, with CD player and remote control. Mini transmitters with built in "capabilities" for 5 watts.. (of course, for use outside the USA.... >;-) Loads 'o decoders, and anything else. I have parts coming in all week, and the wheels are once again turning. And now for a line from my favorite movie, "Back to the Future".. "Stand back, Marty!- You're about to see some serious shit!" Chris (hand me a flux capacitor!) From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Feb 12 13:41:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 12 Feb 2002 21:41:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 48324 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 21:41:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2002 21:41:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.56) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 21:41:08 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.180] by n6.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2002 21:41:07 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:41:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: CIGM, WGY, et al Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1776 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.189 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics OK, finally back on the topic of AM Stereo.... last night I was pleased to discover country music station 790 CIGM from Canada coming in with a clear signal in full Stereo with pilot tone. This is great because in the past few years they had alternated between Stereo-with-pilot, Stereo-without-pilot, and plain mono almost daily! Last night CIGM was definitely coming in with great Stereo sound and a genuine C-Quam pilot. I noticed their Left and Right channels are swapped (they played a song with distinct separation that I also have in my personal music collection and I noticed the difference) but I guess I shouldn't complain because there are a lot of FM Stereo stations that do that as well. Also, last night talk station 810 WGY from Schenectady, NY was popping my radio into Stereo mode, but I thought it was just "falsing" since WGY turned off their Stereo years ago. But today, during broad daylight, their faint-but-clear daytime DX signal was also received in Stereo on my car radio! Whenever I tuned them in, it would pop into Stereo mode and stay there, with no sign of the "fluttery" noise typical of "falsing". I don't have much hope since WGY is owned by Clear Channel, but you never know... the engineer could have been fiddling around with the transmitter, and "accidentally" flipped the exciter back on..... Finally, also last night, I was hearing an almost 50/50 mix on 1370 kHz between WXXI (Rochester, NY) and WSPD (Toledo, OH), and my radio was popping into Stereo mode. Anybody know if either of these are transmitting in Stereo, or was this just "falsing"? I also recollect 1370 WFEA from NH as being in AM Stereo, but it's been years since I've gotten a clean nighttime DX signal from WFEA to verify its status. From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Feb 12 13:47:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 12 Feb 2002 21:47:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 80651 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 21:47:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2002 21:47:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 21:47:03 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.159]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:42:54 -0500 Message-ID: <005501c1b40e$0e4613e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} CIGM, WGY, et al Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:41:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I also heard CIGM this morning on the Philips wideband CDR stereo- they sounded great. I am going to make some CD's off the air of WREF one day real soon as well. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics To: Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 4:41 PM Subject: {AMSF} CIGM, WGY, et al From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Feb 12 16:53:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 13 Feb 2002 00:53:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 47362 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2002 00:53:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2002 00:53:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2002 00:53:51 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-75.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.75]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA16377 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:53:52 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00dc01c1b424$cc360840$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Cquam station shutdown and equipment sell-off Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:24:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Perhaps, but the stereo equipment was never installed, per my friend Terry K. Hammond who was familiar with the station and its el cheapo owner. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics > > > I was hearing that it may be WPHG 1620 Atmore, AL. > > Dude, that station is *long* gone and never was stereo. > > > That's odd, I remember a reception report from when they first went on > the air that said their ID was "WPHG, 1620 AM STEREO". From n0uiheric@aol.com Tue Feb 12 22:17:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 13 Feb 2002 06:17:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 32078 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2002 06:17:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2002 06:17:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.5) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2002 06:17:54 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.ac.228b02a8 (4312) for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 01:17:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 01:17:50 EST Subject: AM Stereo...from comments filed with the FCC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Recently, I filed comments with the FCC in reference to the comprehensive examination of multiple ownership of local market radio stations. The Mass Media Docket number for this one (if you're interested in filing comments) is 01-317. To electronically file your comments, go to the FCC Web site at http://www.fcc.gov/ In reference to AM Stereo: "Sadly, one proven technology has been largely neglected since 1996; AM stereo. The requirement of AM stereo operations on the expanded AM band, between 1610 and 1700 kHz, has kept the number of AM Stereo stations above the 300-station mark. The claim that "AM stereo is dead" is largely bogus; another corporate lie. However, a number of leading broadcasters, largely led by Clear Channel Communications, have dropped this proven technology because of illegitimate claims over the number of receivers (24 million in the marketplace at last check, and the number is slowly increasing) and coverage concerns (AM stereo has NOT been proven to reduce coverage, unlike FM stereo, as corporate broadcasters like Clear Channel Communications and Journal Broadcasting have illegitimately claimed without any technical proof). I also believe that the "AM is dead" claim that commercial broadcasters have claimed for over a quarter of a century is also bogus. I still see potential in AM radio, even for music formats that FM stations refuse to carry. I strongly believe that stereophonic broadcasting-only policies, such as one largely embraced by Crawford Broadcasting Company, is in the best interests of commercial radio. In addition, the AM stereo-only mandate in the expanded AM band (1610-1700 kHz) should be extended to the former Class I-A Clears. In other words, AM stations operating with 50,000 watts of power utilizing non-directional antenna systems at all hours should, regardless of format, be required to broadcast in AM stereo. Some of these stations still carry music programming; including WSM Nashville, TN (operating at 650 kHz). Should the AM stereo-only mandate be extended to the former I-A Clears, WFAN (660 kHz) New York, NY; WGN (720 kHz) Chicago, IL; WJR (760 kHz) Detroit, MI; WBAP (820 kHz) Fort Worth, TX; WLS (890 kHz) Chicago, IL and WPHT (1210 kHz) Philadelphia, PA would already be in compliance. The others should be given a maximum of two years to comply". And on IBOC-DAB, which some have touted as a replacement for FM and AM: "Instead, broadcasters are testing an unproven technology called In-Band, On-Channel Digital Audio Broadcasting (IBOC-DAB). The results, so far, have been very disappointing. IBOC-DAB is totally incompatible with analog broadcasting; it is an audio version of a fax machine. In other words, all of the five billion receivers in the marketplace would become obsolete if conversion to IBOC-DAB becomes mandatory. Also, a vast majority of smaller and independent broadcasters; mostly on AM but also smaller FM stations, would be forced to leave the air if IBOC-DAB conversion becomes mandatory. Demand for terrestrial DAB is non-existent; just look at Canada and Europe. Listeners in Canada and Europe still listen to local AM and FM stations. And, what's more, the AM and FM bands ARE NOT ALLOCATED anywhere in the world for terrestrial DAB; the L-Band (used for the proven Eureka 147 system in Canada and Europe) has been allocated worldwide for terrestrial DAB. The Pentagon is actually in violation of international regulations by using the L-Band for it's interests, rather than moving to another band to make way for DAB. I strongly believe that DAB should be banned below 1 GHz (1000 MHz). American radio listeners will continue to accept analog broadcasting; so it would be in the best interests of the broadcast industry to keep the AM and FM bands going in it's present, analog form. The only appropriate place for DAB in the United States (at the present time) is on the new satellite services like XM Satellite Radio". Okay, have at it! 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://members.aol.com/n0uiheric/TurnOffClearChannel.html http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/turnoffclearchannel From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Feb 13 05:32:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 13 Feb 2002 13:32:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 26499 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2002 13:32:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2002 13:32:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2002 13:32:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20020213133234.10693.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 05:32:34 PST Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 05:32:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: WSPD 1370 in Stereo ? To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I do check 1370 WSPD Toledo, frequently to see if the Cquam ever gets turned-back on, but I didn't have a stereo pilot Tuesday afternoon, so I don't think they had their AM Stereo on, but I do get the impression that the stereo equipment is still there. Maybe the NY or NH station is AMS? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Feb 13 18:40:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 14 Feb 2002 02:40:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 61888 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 02:40:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2002 02:40:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.81) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 02:40:19 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.151] by n31.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2002 02:40:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 02:40:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Yee Haw! It's OVER! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003101c1b40b$e215bd40$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 411 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.32 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Now I can tell you about all the goodies coming. Pictures will be > coming soon. BTW, have you reinvestigated the possibility of using a *blue* LED for the Stereo indicator? I still think that would look really cool. Here's a fun example of another use of LEDs... jazzing up older Macintosh computers with LEDs of all colors, including blue and white: http://www.radioactive3.fsnet.co.uk/customac.htm From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Feb 13 19:40:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 14 Feb 2002 03:40:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 70615 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 03:40:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2002 03:40:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14202.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.144) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 03:40:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20020214034038.6406.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.162.18.173] by web14202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 19:40:38 PST Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 19:40:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sport News Radio on 1630!!!! To: Dennis AMstereo IAAAS List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio "Sporting News Radio" on 1630 - what the h*ll is that cr*p? I went to tune-in KCJJ and all I hear is MONO Sports junk!!!! (insert vomiting sound). Anybody else in Michigan or Ohio hear this? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From rfinder@telusplanet.net Wed Feb 13 20:39:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rfinder@telusplanet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 14 Feb 2002 04:39:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 73211 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 04:39:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2002 04:39:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.72) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 04:39:35 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.32] by n22.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2002 04:39:34 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 04:39:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sport News Radio on 1630!!!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020214034038.6406.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 817 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "i2thesky2001" X-Originating-IP: 142.173.134.158 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public --- In amstereoforum@y..., Johnny Electron wrote: > "Sporting News Radio" on 1630 - what the h*ll is that cr*p? I went > to tune-in KCJJ and all I hear is MONO Sports junk!!!! (insert > vomiting sound). Anybody else in Michigan or Ohio hear this? > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! > http://greetings.yahoo.com Amen Brotha, Amen!! Sports Radio is nothing but complete utter Crap and a waste of kilowatts and dial space. (Aren't there enough sports stations on TV!?) I'd rather listen to twangy country or opera in AM Stereo. Give me the time, the temp, a breif news update, a traffic helicopter for 25 seconds and Shut the hell up and play more great music!! Enough ranting for this week. From n0uiheric@aol.com Wed Feb 13 22:06:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 14 Feb 2002 06:06:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 95158 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 06:06:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2002 06:06:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 06:06:00 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.103.10aab914 (4224) for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 01:05:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <103.10aab914.299cadbf@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 01:05:51 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sport News Radio on 1630!!!! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih That's probably WTRU Augusta, GA. They're a News/Talk format; also featuring Imus In The Morning. KCJJ is still with the fantastic sound of the '80s, '90s and today in glorious AM Stereo. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://members.aol.com/n0uiheric/TurnOffClearChannel.html http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/turnoffclearchannel From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Feb 13 22:09:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 14 Feb 2002 06:09:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 77373 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 06:09:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2002 06:09:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.82) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 06:09:12 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.168] by n32.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2002 06:09:11 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 06:09:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sport News Radio on 1630!!!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 989 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Even worse than SNR, when I tune in 1630 kHz, all I get is a local TIS rebroadcasting NOAA weather radio with the computerized voice. Once in a while KCJJ will come in at least strongly enough to trip my radio into Stereo mode, even when their signal is not loud enough to hear the audio. BTW... I know Chris can agree on this... the "flagship" station of the Sporting News Radio network, 620 WSNR in Newark, NJ, is absolutely the WORST SOUNDING (mono) AM station of ALL TIME! They use a directional tower array which is so screwed up, in the nulls of the signal, the lower sideband CANCELS OUT and your are left with an essentially SSB signal on 620 AM, with the audio in the upper sideband only, causing so much distortion, the signal is simply unlistenable! Blecchh... and to think, at one time, 620 AM in NJ was a Magnavox AM Stereo station... I can't imagine how that sounded, because as long as I remember, 620 has always had horrible distorted, overmodulated audio. From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Feb 14 01:25:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 14 Feb 2002 09:25:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 33888 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 09:25:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2002 09:25:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 09:25:53 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.42]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 04:21:51 -0500 Message-ID: <003901c1b538$d8b19fc0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Sport News Radio on 1630!!!! Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 04:20:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I think this crud is coming out of NJ. It is miserable- and of course we REALLY need yet another freaking sports station. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: i2thesky2001 To: Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 11:39 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Sport News Radio on 1630!!!! From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Feb 14 01:34:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 14 Feb 2002 09:34:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 43980 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 09:34:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2002 09:34:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 09:34:39 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.42]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 04:30:42 -0500 Message-ID: <007001c1b53a$151c6e80$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Blue LED's Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 04:29:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I am going one step better: On the Philips CDR systems, I am using an Electroluminescent backlit official "AM Stereo" logo behind the front window glass that lights when in stereo. The whole emblem lights up in a rainbow of colors... I also will use blue LEDs on the new mini systems. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics From 1377.3mp@start.com.au Thu Feb 14 05:34:03 2002 Return-Path: <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Sender: 1377.3mp@start.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 14 Feb 2002 13:34:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 53949 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 13:34:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2002 13:34:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.54) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 13:34:02 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.161] by n4.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2002 13:34:02 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:33:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT: Wholesale Advantage reputation ? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 655 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Originating-IP: 213.121.66.34 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69495942 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Ok sorry if this is a yawn but I rung them and left a message for 'Allan' I've only had 1 reply to 3 emails I've sent inspite of what they say below and this is the result. Can they treat the customer like this ?? :- >> Received your phone message yesterday. I cannot make it more clear WE CREDITED YOUR ACCOUNT FOR THE ITEM YOU CLAIMED WAS DEFECTIVE. WE WILL NOT SHIP A REPLACEMENT ! We have stated this on several occasions but apparently you don't get the message. This is our "final answer" and we will no longer respond to your constant "harrasment". If you don't like this policy please purchase elesewhere. Allan Wholesale Advantage From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Feb 14 10:35:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 14 Feb 2002 18:35:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 20027 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 18:34:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2002 18:34:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14206.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.70) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 18:34:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20020214183459.35401.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:34:59 PST Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:34:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: Michigan/Ohio Bandscan To: Dennis AMstereo IAAAS List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio OHIO/MICHIGAN AM.ST. BANDSCAN (Daytime only) 560-WLLZ – Monroe, MI (Crawford, religious) 630-CFCO – Chatham, ON (Music of 60s, 70s, 80s+full service) 760 – WJR – Detroit, MI (music Sun morn, Fab Commercials, news/talk) 1430 – WFOB – Fostoria, OH (full serv, music on weekends) (Night-time only) 720 – WGN – Chicago 760 – WJR – Detroit 890 – WLS – Chicago 1210 –WPHT – Philly 1630 – KCJJ – Iowa City (Wish List to turn the Stereo back on) 650- WSM 840- WHAS 1010- CFRB 1030- WBZ 1370- WSPD 1560- WTOD 1560- NYC Plus WCCO, KMOX, WHAM… (Wish List to ADD AM Stereo) 580- CKWW – Windsor, ON 740- CHWO – Toronto, ON 900- WFRO - Fremont, OH 980- WONE – Dayton, OH 1230- WCWA – Toledo, OH 1530- WSAI – Cincinnati, OH STL is the 'reason' that CKWW won't, CHWO doesn't seem interested, WFRO doesn't have the money, and the next 3 are music-players but Borg Assimilated - CCC. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From MHAW2001@AOL.COM Thu Feb 14 14:10:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Mhaw2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 14 Feb 2002 22:10:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 48628 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 22:10:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2002 22:10:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r07.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.103) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 22:10:10 -0000 Received: from Mhaw2001@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.d4.131855ca (18557) for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:10:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:10:02 EST Subject: Sony ST-JX-220 Tuner To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows CA sub 12021 From: MHAW2001@AOL.COM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does this unit have C-QUAM AM Stereo? I have located one on the internet and was wondering. It's listed in the AM Stereo capable radios but the model number is mssing the A after 220. Anybody know where I can get a very cheap AM stereo radio with either a headphone out or RCA line outs so I can hook it into my DTS/DD receiver? Thanks, Matt [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Feb 14 14:48:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 14 Feb 2002 22:48:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 7350 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 22:48:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2002 22:48:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 22:48:32 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.96]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:44:37 -0500 Message-ID: <00d601c1b5a8$fbf42820$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony ST-JX-220 Tuner Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:43:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Cheapest way out is a car radio, as there are tons available on ebay from many different 80's to 90's cars. Use a 12 volt supply, and run line outs off the speaker wires, using a "speaker to line out adapter" sold at any Kmart. (The Sony without the "A" does NOT have AM Stereo- the AMS version was ONLY sold in Canada) CC ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 5:10 PM Subject: {AMSF} Sony ST-JX-220 Tuner > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Feb 14 15:16:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 14 Feb 2002 23:16:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 60854 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 23:16:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2002 23:16:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.58) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 23:16:26 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.115] by n8.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2002 23:16:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 23:16:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Michigan/Ohio Bandscan Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020214183459.35401.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 559 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.143 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > (Wish List to ADD AM Stereo) > 980- WONE =96 Dayton, OH Years ago WONE *was* in AM Stereo, and was reported to even announce=20 it on the air in their ID... however, they were bought out by Jacor,=20 who later merged with Clear Channel. It was actually the Jacor=20 portion of the Jacor/CC/AMFM merger that was most against AM Stereo. > 1530- WSAI =96 Cincinnati, OH ...and speaking of this, a while back I heard from one of the=20 employees of WSAI and he said that although he and some others wanted=20 the station to be in Stereo, Jacor wouldn't let them. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Feb 14 15:50:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 14 Feb 2002 23:50:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 70684 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 23:50:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2002 23:50:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.65) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 23:50:58 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.45] by n15.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2002 23:50:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 23:50:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sony ST-JX-220 Tuner Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00d601c1b5a8$fbf42820$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1116 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.26 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Cheapest way out is a car radio, as there are tons available on ebay > from many different 80's to 90's cars. Use a 12 volt supply It is important to find an "RF Quiet" power supply. A disappointingly large number of DC power supplies generate a large amount of RF noise and static when in use. The best type is a linear regulated power supply in a metal case with a 3-prong AC plug. Radio Shack sells a good one like this (for "CB/ham radio" use), but it is a bit pricey. This also brings up the point that if you have problems with persistant buzzing or static on the AM band, one of the things to check for is any device powered by an external power supply. I once had a constant buzz on AM that I finally found was being caused by a "wall wart" DC power supply that was powering a subwoofer for my stereo system. > and run line outs off the speaker wires, using a "speaker to line > out adapter" sold at any Kmart. I've never had any trouble directly connecting a car radio's speaker outputs to the Aux/Line input of a stereo system. Just keep the volume low and there will be no problem. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Feb 14 15:54:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 14 Feb 2002 23:54:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 34653 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 23:54:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2002 23:54:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.85) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 23:54:32 -0000 Received: from [216.115.97.87] by n35.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2002 23:54:31 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 23:54:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sport News Radio on 1630!!!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003901c1b538$d8b19fc0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 544 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.26 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics BTW, farther up the dial, there is actually one station broadcasting "Sporting News Radio" in AM Stereo... 1690 WPTX in Maryland. I don't know if they have any true Stereo separation in the local commercials and IDs, but they are definitely putting out a Stereo signal. The WPTX call letters actually came from their days as nostalgia station "Legends 1690"; they were so much an imitation of Crawford's "Legends 1540 WPTR" that they even got call letters as close to WPTR as they could (hence "WPTX"). WPTX is NOT owned by Crawford. From MHAW2001@AOL.COM Thu Feb 14 17:03:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Mhaw2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 15 Feb 2002 01:03:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 69171 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2002 01:03:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2002 01:03:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2002 01:03:13 -0000 Received: from Mhaw2001@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.bb.1b30ca60 (18557) for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:03:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:03:09 EST Subject: (no subject) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows CA sub 12021 From: MHAW2001@AOL.COM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can anybody confirm if any of these radios are AM Stereo: http://cgi.ebay.ca/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1332017058 http://cgi.ebay.ca/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1331614325 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1804347750& r=0&t=0 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1803806543& r=0&t=0 http://cgi.ebay.ca/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1332829596 Thanks, Matt [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Feb 14 18:39:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 15 Feb 2002 02:38:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 79189 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2002 02:38:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2002 02:38:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2002 02:38:56 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-101.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.101]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA08767 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:39:01 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <009a01c1b5c5$d5120fc0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Sport News Radio on 1630!!!! Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:09:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Shouldn't be that hard to track down the transmitter location and turn the power off. Doubt anyone would miss the signal. :) ST ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics > Even worse than SNR, when I tune in 1630 kHz, all I get is a local TIS > rebroadcasting NOAA weather radio with the computerized voice. From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Feb 14 18:41:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 15 Feb 2002 02:41:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 84558 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2002 02:41:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2002 02:41:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2002 02:41:39 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-101.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.101]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA09363 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:41:31 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00aa01c1b5c6$3622ffe0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <007001c1b53a$151c6e80$0101a8c0@pavilion> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Blue LED's Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:12:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude So just where do you find them so freaking cheap? The only places I see them listed (DigiKey and Mouser) they want $2.50 a pop. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher Cuff > I also will use blue LEDs on the new mini systems. > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Feb 14 18:58:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 15 Feb 2002 02:58:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 40633 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2002 02:58:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2002 02:58:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.70) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2002 02:58:19 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.126] by n20.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2002 02:45:53 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 02:58:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Chrysler radios on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1102 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.26 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Can anybody confirm if any of these radios are AM Stereo: (URLs truncated to just eBay item numbers) > 1332017058 (plain Chrysler radio) Could be, but most likely not. > 1331614325 (an older Chrysler radio) This one looks exactly the same as the 1988 Dodge radio I have, which does indeed have AM Stereo. Performance is only average, though; the audio bandwidth is rather narrow. > 1804347750 (Chrysler radio with 5-band GEQ and cassette) Yup! This is THE best style of Chrysler AM Stereo radio ever made -- the ones with 5-band graphic equalizer were AMAX compliant with auto-variable IF bandwidth depending on signal strength. Superb reception and sound quality!! > 1803806543 Same exact type of radio as item 1331614325 listed above (with AM Stereo but unimpressive sound quality). > 1332829596 (2001 Chrysler cassette radio) Nope... these days, only the high-end CD/cassette/3-band GEQ combo radio has AM Stereo. Regular Chrysler radios have not had AM Stereo since the early 1990s. So, go for the one with 5-band graphic equalizer if you can... and good luck bidding! From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Feb 14 19:08:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 15 Feb 2002 03:08:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 28909 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2002 03:08:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2002 03:08:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2002 03:08:02 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-101.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.101]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA14189 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 21:08:07 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00fb01c1b5c9$e5fb7340$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Wholesale Advantage reputation ? Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:38:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Unfortunately there are some places that do this; I've been burned in the past by another company that had the same policy. If someone goes into competition with them and has a sense of true customer service, the established company usually gets their butt kicked pretty hard. At this point all you could do is to order something of equal value, but being overseas your chances of getting much satisfaction are pretty limited. I will give you one thread of hope to try- if you can get a hold of the Attorney General in the state where they are located and explain your problem, I've known them to lean rather hard on such outfits and get action that might not otherwise occur. Good luck. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: amstereofan <1377.3mp@start.com.au> > Ok sorry if this is a yawn but I rung them and left a message > for 'Allan' I've only had 1 reply to 3 emails I've sent inspite of > what they say below and this is the result. Can they treat the > customer like this ?? :- From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Feb 14 20:19:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 15 Feb 2002 04:19:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 76998 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2002 04:19:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2002 04:19:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.56) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2002 04:19:05 -0000 Received: from [216.115.97.81] by n6.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2002 04:19:04 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 04:19:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Exciter/transmitter mfgrs. / Sirius sat. radio Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 675 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.26 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I'm trying to keep track of the companies that are currently manufacturing AM Stereo exciters and AM Stereo-equipped transmitters. So far I know of Broadcast Electronics (B.E.), Delta Electronics, Harris, and Nautel. Any others? I doubt it, but perchance is Motorola still making C-Quam exciters? Also... gee, I am just OVERWHELMED with publicity and public response to the official debut of Sirius satellite radio in 4 cities a few days ago! :-) It is quickly turning out to be even more of a flop than XM, which is a bit sad, since in programming content, Sirius is superior -- less commercials, and unlike XM they are not partially owned by Clear Channel. From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Thu Feb 14 23:05:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 15 Feb 2002 07:05:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 18216 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2002 07:05:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2002 07:05:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.52) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2002 07:05:04 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.166] by n2.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2002 07:05:03 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 07:05:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Question for Chris Croff Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 970 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.136.38.184 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 What is the cheapest radio you can make? I don't want to really spend anymore than $50 bucks. I'm in college and can't afford anything too expensive. I just need a decent radio than can be plugged into my existing receiver. There is quite a bit of AM Stereo stations in my area, which is Southwestern Ontario. I can get CFPL, CKSL London; CKOC Hamilton; CHUM, CKHT, CHIN Toronto; CFCO Chatham. At night I can receive almost regularly WFAN New York; WJR Detroit; WLS Chicago; WPHT Philadelphia; WWKB Buffalo. If anybody cares, CFPL London changed formats from News-Talk-Sports to "Hometime Radio" playing a mix of oldies/adult contemporary/adult standards with news and sports thrown in. And CKSL plays oldies which was formerly A/C. Sucks that CHUM changed to sports because that and a Chinese and a multi-ethnic station are the only AM Stereo left in Toronto. CFYI, CFTR, CFRB & CHML all are now mono after being previously stereo in the TO market. Matt From MHAW2001@AOL.COM Fri Feb 15 16:04:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Mhaw2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 16 Feb 2002 00:04:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 77522 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2002 00:04:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2002 00:04:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.7) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2002 00:04:43 -0000 Received: from Mhaw2001@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.151.900003f (2169) for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 19:04:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <151.900003f.299efc16@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 19:04:38 EST Subject: Sony ST-JX-220A Tuner Questions To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows CA sub 12021 From: MHAW2001@AOL.COM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi I found this unit on the internet and the guy wants $100C for the unit. Personally I think that's a little pricey. What's your opinion. I offered $70C and am awaiting approval. Anybody know what the year of the model is? Is is C-QUAM? Does it receive good signals? The seller is from Vancouver (a AM Stereo hotspot) so I asked him to check if It receives AM Stereo and he confirmted that the light did come up. Thanks, Matt [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Feb 15 18:28:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 16 Feb 2002 02:28:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 42109 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2002 02:28:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2002 02:28:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2002 02:28:55 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-194.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.194]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA21267 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 20:29:01 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000b01c1b68d$9b3a0780$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <151.900003f.299efc16@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony ST-JX-220A Tuner Questions Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 19:59:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I believe the A versions do have AMS. Can't say about the price, though. Not familiar enough with the unit. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 6:04 PM Subject: {AMSF} Sony ST-JX-220A Tuner Questions > Hi I found this unit on the internet and the guy wants $100C for the unit. > Personally I think that's a little pricey. What's your opinion. I offered > $70C and am awaiting approval. Anybody know what the year of the model is? Is > is C-QUAM? Does it receive good signals? The seller is from Vancouver (a AM > Stereo hotspot) so I asked him to check if It receives AM Stereo and he > confirmted that the light did come up. > > Thanks, > Matt > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Feb 15 19:55:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 16 Feb 2002 03:55:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 78497 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2002 03:55:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2002 03:55:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.76) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2002 03:55:20 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.111] by n26.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2002 03:40:28 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 03:55:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: DX tests 2/02 Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 347 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.25 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics DX tests scheduled for February 2002: The entire month of February: WKDK 1240, Newberry, SC 6:04am CW ID E-mail: W4OPW@yahoo.com Sunday, February 24, 2002: WGY 810, Schenectady, NY 2:00am - 4:00am EST. Note that WGY is an ex-AM Stereo station (now owned by Cloudy Channel) so you never know if they might turn it on during the "DX test"! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Feb 15 20:48:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 16 Feb 2002 04:48:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 29325 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2002 04:48:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2002 04:48:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.81) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2002 04:48:41 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.172] by n31.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2002 04:48:00 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 04:45:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sony ST-JX-220A Tuner Questions Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000b01c1b68d$9b3a0780$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 885 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.25 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I believe the A versions do have AMS. Can't say about the price, > though. Not familiar enough with the unit. At least from the recording I have of 960 CHNS back in their AM Stereo days that Alex K. made on his ST-JX220A tuner, it is indeed a good radio, but these days its multi-system support is somewhat moot. It also does not cover the Expanded Band beyond 1620 kHz. However, it might be worth it just to see if any Kahn PowerSide stations are still transmitting the 15 Hz Kahn AM Stereo pilot tone (which they are still allowed to do -- the FCC doesn't care about other pilot tones as long as 25 Hz is only used for C-Quam AM Stereo), as that would cause the Sony tuner to pop into Kahn Stereo mode. If the radio is in excellent like-brand-new condition, $100 Canadian might be a reasonable price for it. Otherwise I think $70 to $80 Canadian is a fair offer. From rfinder@telusplanet.net Fri Feb 15 22:03:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rfinder@telusplanet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 16 Feb 2002 06:03:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 7789 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2002 06:03:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2002 06:03:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.56) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2002 06:03:14 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.47] by n6.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2002 06:03:13 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 06:03:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Great News CHAB back in sterereo Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 307 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "i2thesky2001" X-Originating-IP: 142.173.142.61 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public 800 CHAB Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan "country 800" Confirmed tonight in stereo. I Heard a steel guitar to the left and a fiddle to the right. CHAB does day/night at 10 kW and is roughly situated 150 miles north of North Dakota. The only other confirmed true AMS station in sakatchewan is CJGX 940 Yorkton. From rfinder@telusplanet.net Fri Feb 15 22:08:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rfinder@telusplanet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 16 Feb 2002 06:08:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 93326 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2002 06:08:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2002 06:08:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.74) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2002 06:08:16 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.141] by n24.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2002 06:08:16 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 06:08:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 850 KOA Denver Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 329 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "i2thesky2001" X-Originating-IP: 142.173.142.61 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Get this one loud and clear every night, and it usually trips the stereo indicator. But, I dont hear any stereo production, what do you guys find down there? Also that 1090 KCYW Seatle seems to have turn into one of those crap sports talk stations and they dont trip the stereo light on anymore. More reports as they come in From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Sat Feb 16 08:04:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 16 Feb 2002 16:04:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 4065 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2002 16:04:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2002 16:04:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.79) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2002 16:04:52 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.39] by n29.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2002 16:03:45 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 16:03:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Kahn Powerside stations still on the air? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 70 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.163.209.199 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 Are there any Kahn Powerside stations on the air still? Thanks, Matt From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Feb 16 11:15:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 16 Feb 2002 19:14:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 7913 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2002 19:14:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2002 19:14:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.64) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2002 19:14:58 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.178] by n14.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2002 19:16:53 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 19:14:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kahn Powerside stations still on the air? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 513 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.68.15 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Are there any Kahn Powerside stations on the air still? Yup... quite a few, in fact. In my area there are four: 610 WIP (Philadelphia, PA) 1280 WADO (New York, NY) 1300 WIMG (Ewing, NJ) 1570 WISP (Doylestown, PA, with 15 Hz pilot tone) If you have a "forced Stereo" receiver, such as a Sony SRF-42, that stays in AM Stereo mode all the time regardless if a Stereo station is being received or not, you can identify Kahn PowerSide stations by their audio sounding "out of phase" and very distorted. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Feb 16 13:56:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 16 Feb 2002 21:56:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 72196 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2002 21:56:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2002 21:56:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.60) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2002 21:56:38 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.45] by n10.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2002 21:56:37 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 21:56:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: XM = eXpect to hear Mono! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2397 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.68.15 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I was in a PC Richards electronics store today where they actually had a working XM satellite radio demo.... when I first approached it, I thought it was only using a single speaker, but upon closer inspection I discovered it had two small speakers, spaced about a foot and a half apart. Well, I stuck my head right between the two speakers, and while tuning in about a dozen different music channels, I didn't hear ANY distinct Stereo separation! The audio had a little bit of "space" to it, but it definitely wasn't like FM where you can instantly tell if it's true Stereo even if the speakers are right next to each other. I did not hear any instruments coming out of only the left or right speakers; as far as I could tell, it was plain Mono! In general, XM's audio is also not quite as crisp as FM, and has sort of a "RealAudio 8.0" quality to it -- there are no *obvious* digital compression artifacts (like you get with poor quality MP3 files), but it still had a certain "colorization" to it that you can tell the difference. Even with the treble EQ boosted, it lacks the kind of "sparkle" that you usually get from any kind of hi-fi sound (LP, cassette, CD, etc.). Another annoyance -- besides the horrendously small, complex, and fussy video-game-like controls of the Pioneer car radio this XM tuner was built into -- was that whenever you change the channel, there's about 2 seconds of silence before the audio fades in, probably due to buffering delays of the digital data. I find this *highly* annoying as it prevents you from quickly scanning the dial. To be fair, some regular digital tuning AM/FM radios have this problem as well, but at least with regular radio isn't not an *inherent* problem of the system. So, if I had to guess... XM satellite radio is NOT true Stereo, but rather plain Mono, with a bit of "simulated Stereo" added to it. I guess the mentality is that most people can't tell the difference between real and fake Stereo, especially since so many car radios blend to Mono most of the time when listening to FM. XM has *never* used the word "Stereo" in their promotions; they just call it "digital-quality sound", which also implies that it isn't even as good as real "digital" sound, and therefore is only "digital-quality"! (Similar to "leather-quality" vinyl upholstery, or "woodgrain-quality" plastic veneer...) From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Feb 16 15:10:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 16 Feb 2002 23:10:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 46093 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2002 23:10:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2002 23:10:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2002 23:10:13 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.72]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 18:06:27 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01c1b73e$57fdf100$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM = eXpect to hear Mono! Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 18:04:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Interesting note here: I emailed their customer care center and specifically asked if the audio content was true stereo, adding that I didn't want to waste my money if it were only monophonic- I never got a reply. Frankly, I think they are in deep doo doo. They have said outright that they have enough operating capital to keep them going untill December. ...... LOL!!!!..... CC ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Feb 17 01:36:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 17 Feb 2002 09:36:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 90043 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2002 09:36:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2002 09:36:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r09.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.105) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2002 09:36:11 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.113.cb50f4e (4419) for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 04:36:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <113.cb50f4e.29a0d388@aol.com> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 04:36:08 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} 850 KOA Denver To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih It may be WYDE's stereo pilot tripping the light on 850. I've heard the Crawford o&o in Stereo in the St. Louis area. I don't believe KOA was ever stereo (thanks to the dummies at Crap Channel, and before that, Jacrap). 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://members.aol.com/n0uiheric/TurnOffClearChannel.html http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/turnoffclearchannel From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Feb 17 01:36:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 17 Feb 2002 09:36:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 37234 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2002 09:36:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2002 09:36:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r10.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.106) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2002 09:36:18 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.5f.229dcace (4419) for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 04:36:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <5f.229dcace.29a0d38a@aol.com> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 04:36:10 EST Subject: AM Stereo Wish List To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih 1) WRTH 1430 St. Louis, MO (Bonneville International) Adult Standards format. While the Westwood One version of the feed is in Stereo (as I have an aircheck of the feed in Stereo via WQXI 790 Atlanta, GA from 1991), the station (which had been WIL from 1926 to 1991) still hasn't made the move to AM Stereo. 2) WEW 770 St. Louis, MO (Metropolitan Radio Group) Variety format, focused on music. Vern Jackson is Chief Engineer at the station; he also runs an Amateur Radio bulletin station on 1860 kHz. 3) KSLG 1380 St. Louis, MO (Rev. B.T. Rice) Southern Gospel format; same feed as FM Stereo station WTSG 90.1 Carlinville, IL. This is another one Vern Jackson is CE for; the station had plans to go Stereo in the late 1980s, when it was all-Oldies KGLD (K-Gold). 4) KMOX 1120 St. Louis, MO (Infinity Broadcasting) They should only turn on the Stereo pilot when "I Love Jazz" with Don Wolff is on the air. (I've had the pleasure of meeting Don at various Jazz concerts around St. Louis.) 5) KWRE 730 Warrenton, MO (Kaspar Broadcasting) Classic Country format. It'll take a bunch of E-mails and letters to CE Steve Rotz (known on the air as Steve Roberts) to get him to convert KWRE to Stereo. Kaspar also owns WILO 1570 Frankfort, IN (Adult Standards format). 6) KFUO 850 Clayton, MO (Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod) One of the oldest Christian radio stations in the United States, broadcasting a Lutheran-oriented format since 1924. Some music programming is offered. It would be nice to see KFUO broadcast in Stereo. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://members.aol.com/n0uiheric/TurnOffClearChannel.html http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/turnoffclearchannel From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Feb 17 16:21:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 18 Feb 2002 00:21:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 28756 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2002 00:21:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2002 00:21:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.76) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2002 00:21:11 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.155] by n26.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2002 00:06:02 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 00:21:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Nighttime DX report Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1537 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.43 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics A quick scan of the upper end of the AM dial tonight yielded some new stations for me: * 1590 WAKR Akron, Ohio. Heard with a syndicated Nostalgia format. Appeared to be a Stereo signal but I only heard the tail end of a song and then DJ chatter before their signal faded out so I didn't get much chance to check for true Stereo sound. * 1620 ???? Heard with Caribbean Gospel music with definitely a Stereo signal. Did not appear to be 1620 WHLY which I could hear in the background. Could this be the brand new station from the U.S. Virgin Islands, 1620 WDHP which has said they are broadcasting in Stereo? That would certainly fit in with the Caribbean music I was hearing, but the signal seemed very strong and clear to be coming from that far away (about 1500 miles)! Update: I just checked the web site of 1290 WRRA (the regular band station that 1620 WDHP is simulcasting) and as I hear from their RealAudio webcast, they are running a Caribbean Gospel music program with the DJ sounding the same as what I heard on the air.... so I guess it is pretty conclusive that I heard WDHP from about 1500 miles away, in AM Stereo! Perhaps for now they are running 10,000 watt daytime power at night -- WDHP just went on the air a week and a half ago! You can listen to their webcast in beautiful FULL STEREO sound at: http://www.wrra.vi/wrra.ram * 1660 WQSN Kalamazoo, MI. Drowning out local 1660 WWRU (mono) with a Stereo signal. Sports-talk programming so I couldn't check for true Stereo separation. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Feb 17 18:13:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 18 Feb 2002 02:13:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 51294 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2002 02:13:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2002 02:13:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14201.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.143) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2002 02:13:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20020218021340.56299.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.162.18.173] by web14201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 18:13:40 PST Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 18:13:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: eXpect Mono ( XM ) To: Dennis AMstereo IAAAS List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I'm not sure what to expect out of eXpectMono satellite radio. ClearChannel owns a chunk of XM. ClearChannel hates stereo, loves the simplification of mono 'broadcasting' - so it's more likely than not that it's mono. GM (the car people) have big bucks into XM, so much so, that you have to pay the monthly fee to them through your month CAR PAYMENTS - that way it doesn't feel like you're paying for radio! I had a friend who went to the Consumer Electronics show and he swears that XM is stereo - at least at their demo at Las Vegas. Also, he indicates that you can listen to XM on the internet - but be warned - THEY HAVE A VERY NASTY DIG AT AM RADIO WITH A SCRATCHY 2KHZ MONO AUDIO. I was extremely pi*sed-off when I heard their "AM"(mono tin can), "FM"(blend to mono with multipath), "XM" (purrfect of course) audio "comparisons" - total BS. Entercom & Cumulus will not advertise XM because its commericals cut-up local terrestrial broadcasting, not for any other reason than that. There is a large newspaper article in today's "Toledo Blade" newspaper talking about satellite radio, and you'd think Sirrus and XM are the second-coming of Marconi. I will be shreading it soon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From rfinder@telusplanet.net Sun Feb 17 21:01:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rfinder@telusplanet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 18 Feb 2002 05:01:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 32209 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2002 05:01:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2002 05:01:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.81) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2002 05:01:51 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.134] by n31.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2002 05:01:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 05:01:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 850 KOA Denver Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <113.cb50f4e.29a0d388@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1071 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "i2thesky2001" X-Originating-IP: 142.173.142.61 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public --- In amstereoforum@y..., n0uiheric@a... wrote: > It may be WYDE's stereo pilot tripping the light on 850. I've heard the Well, considering that, KOA is one of the farthest reaching clear-channel stations ever to go north of the 49th. That station comes in loud and clear, and listening to it closely, I never hear any other station at 850 trying to cut in. The stereo light always comes on, and I beleive the exciter is still hooked in, but of course a mono feed from the studios. Let's get someone in the Denver area to confirm this.. Oh, and got a stereo trip from 1090 KYCW, Sports Radio in Seatle. Mono sound, of course But, Oh! I remember the golden age of AM Stereo when 1160 KSL would broadcast the Utah Basketball games in stereo, And you would hear the squeeks of rubber meeting wood going from speaker to speaker, very exciting! 660 CFFR in Calgary at one time broadcasted the Flames home games in stereo, You would hear the crowd roar in stereo every time they scored, that was incredible. Any way Good DXing to all from VE6RTN, Calgary. From juan@wgylfm.com Mon Feb 18 07:23:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: juan@wgylfm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 18 Feb 2002 15:23:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 50593 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2002 15:23:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2002 15:23:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns3.asphub.net) (65.115.157.11) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2002 15:23:33 -0000 Received: from bellsouth (unverified [66.156.230.109]) by ns3.asphub.net (Vircom SMTPRS 4.7.192) with SMTP id ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 10:18:35 -0500 Message-ID: <001201c1b890$38f3fcc0$0100000a@net.bellsouth.net> To: Cc: Subject: AM Stereo Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 10:23:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Juan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95421407 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anybody know if an Armstrong XL-1000 is AM Stereo capable ? The AM in our cluster just bought a new transmitter (unfortunately not the BE, that comes with Stereo) our AM is Stereo ready, digital stereo music library, and a stereo STL in storage. Thanks Juan juan@wgylfm.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jwelton@nautel.com Mon Feb 18 12:06:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 18 Feb 2002 20:06:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 69914 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2002 20:06:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2002 20:06:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.62) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2002 20:06:54 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.39] by n12.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2002 20:06:53 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:06:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Nighttime DX report Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 987 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "im_with_sandy" X-Originating-IP: 24.222.4.133 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > the background. Could this be the brand new station from the U.S. > Virgin Islands, 1620 WDHP which has said they are broadcasting in > Stereo? That would certainly fit in with the Caribbean music I was > hearing, but the signal seemed very strong and clear to be coming from that far away (about 1500 miles)! For what it's worth, WDHP(sold as WRRA) is a Nautel XL12 transmitter, with our integral C-QUAM stereo exciter. The transmitter was shipped Dec. 14/2001, and we have no contacts to date, but the engineer that does most of this type of work in the Caribbean has installed a few of these units, so that's not surprising. Absolute maximum power they could have been making from the transmitter is 13.4kW at up to 140% modulation, so 1500 mi, even up the coast, is quite impressive! Best, Jeff Welton Nautel Customer Service Dept. Tel.: 902-823-3900, ext. 127 Fax: 902-823-3183 jwelton@nautel.com From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Feb 18 15:05:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 18 Feb 2002 23:05:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 91356 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2002 23:05:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2002 23:05:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2002 23:05:24 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-72.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.72]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA18135 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 17:05:30 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00c701c1b8d9$8afc7760$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Nighttime DX report Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:08:19 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Hey Jeff! Good to see you on one of the AM stereo lists. Scott Todd WWTC (wish we could be stereo again too. Oh well...) ----- Original Message ----- From: im_with_sandy > For what it's worth, WDHP(sold as WRRA) is a Nautel XL12 transmitter, > with our integral C-QUAM stereo exciter. The transmitter was shipped > Dec. 14/2001, and we have no contacts to date, but the engineer that > does most of this type of work in the Caribbean has installed a few > of these units, so that's not surprising. Absolute maximum power > they could have been making from the transmitter is 13.4kW at up to > 140% modulation, so 1500 mi, even up the coast, is quite impressive! > > Best, > > Jeff Welton From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Feb 18 17:22:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 19 Feb 2002 01:22:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 96455 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2002 01:22:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2002 01:22:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.58) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2002 01:22:09 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.33] by n8.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2002 01:22:09 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 01:22:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001201c1b890$38f3fcc0$0100000a@net.bellsouth.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1219 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.28 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Does anybody know if an Armstrong XL-1000 is AM Stereo capable ? The > AM in our cluster just bought a new transmitter (unfortunately not > the BE, that comes with Stereo) Just about any transmitter can be converted to AM Stereo as long as it is already tuned up and working well in monaural. Obviously an old, neglected transmitter that sounds bad in mono is also going to sound bad in Stereo, but if it's a new transmitter then it should work nicely. The only other potential stumbling block is the antenna system. A complex directional tower array with ageing components is going to have phasing and bandwidth problems that are going to be more noticeable when transmitting a Stereo signal. The side benefit of doing any transmitter or antenna upgrades to improve the quality of the Stereo signal is that it is also going to improve the signal quality for mono listeners are well. This is why many people say that when a station upgrades to AM Stereo, it sounds better on regular mono radios as well. These upgrades are also necessary if the station ever plans on using IBOC DAB (digital broadcasting), as the digital signal is transmitted using the QUAM method, just like C-QUAM AM Stereo. From n0uiheric@aol.com Tue Feb 19 00:16:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 19 Feb 2002 08:16:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 74574 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2002 08:16:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2002 08:16:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r04.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.100) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2002 08:16:12 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.4a.6c7ebf3 (3988) for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 03:16:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4a.6c7ebf3.29a363c1@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 03:16:01 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} eXpect Mono ( XM ) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Here's what I wrote about Clear Channel to the FCC: "However, a number of leading broadcasters, largely led by Clear Channel Communications, have dropped this proven technology because of illegitimate claims over the number of receivers (24 million in the marketplace at last check, and the number is slowly increasing) and coverage concerns (AM stereo has NOT been proven to reduce coverage, unlike FM stereo, as corporate broadcasters like Clear Channel Communications and Journal Broadcasting have illegitimately claimed without any technical proof)". If Crap Channel really hates Stereo, then why haven't they turned off the stereo pilots at their FM stations? 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://members.aol.com/n0uiheric/TurnOffClearChannel.html http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/turnoffclearchannel From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Feb 19 01:33:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 19 Feb 2002 09:33:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 93110 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2002 09:33:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2002 09:33:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2002 09:33:07 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.41]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 04:29:32 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01c1b927$b091e8e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <4a.6c7ebf3.29a363c1@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} eXpect Mono ( XM ) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 04:27:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Two of our local CC FM stations are running pilot only, no stereo- ---- the stations have full stereo capabilities, as before they took over, the stations sounded great. CC - Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 3:16 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} eXpect Mono ( XM ) > Here's what I wrote about Clear Channel to the FCC: From raydtuner@yahoo.com Tue Feb 19 15:10:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: raydtuner@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 19 Feb 2002 23:10:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 86873 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2002 22:56:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2002 22:56:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.59) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2002 22:56:06 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.182] by n9.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2002 22:53:42 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 22:53:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Nighttime DX report Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1899 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "raydtuner" X-Originating-IP: 63.183.47.193 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92072182 X-Yahoo-Profile: raydtuner --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > A quick scan of the upper end of the AM dial tonight yielded some new > stations for me: > > * 1590 WAKR Akron, Ohio. Heard with a syndicated Nostalgia format. > Appeared to be a Stereo signal but I only heard the tail end of a song > and then DJ chatter before their signal faded out so I didn't get much > chance to check for true Stereo sound. > > * 1620 ???? Heard with Caribbean Gospel music with definitely a > Stereo signal. Did not appear to be 1620 WHLY which I could hear in > the background. Could this be the brand new station from the U.S. > Virgin Islands, 1620 WDHP which has said they are broadcasting in > Stereo? That would certainly fit in with the Caribbean music I was > hearing, but the signal seemed very strong and clear to be coming from > that far away (about 1500 miles)! > > Update: I just checked the web site of 1290 WRRA (the regular band > station that 1620 WDHP is simulcasting) and as I hear from their > RealAudio webcast, they are running a Caribbean Gospel music program > with the DJ sounding the same as what I heard on the air.... so I > guess it is pretty conclusive that I heard WDHP from about 1500 miles > away, in AM Stereo! Perhaps for now they are running 10,000 watt > daytime power at night -- WDHP just went on the air a week and a half > ago! > You can listen to their webcast in beautiful FULL STEREO sound at: > http://www.wrra.vi/wrra.ram > > * 1660 WQSN Kalamazoo, MI. Drowning out local 1660 WWRU (mono) with > a Stereo signal. Sports-talk programming so I couldn't check for true > Stereo separation.REPLY: WAKR is in my backyard. I'll see what I can dig up about it. I think it's ABC and they broadcast TV also.WQSN is always sports, so don't bother checking for music signals.It is very strong here in Cleveland nights.RAY From jwelton@nautel.com Tue Feb 19 15:21:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 19 Feb 2002 23:21:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 94138 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2002 23:18:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2002 23:18:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserver.nautel.com) (24.222.4.134) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2002 23:18:08 -0000 Received: FROM jeff-welton BY mailserver.nautel.com ; Tue Feb 19 19:18:30 2002 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:14:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Nighttime DX report Message-ID: <3C72A3F5.30475.2341BCA@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) From: "Jeff Welton" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > * 1590 WAKR Akron, Ohio. Heard with a syndicated Nostalgia > format. > > Appeared to be a Stereo signal but I only heard the tail end of a > song > > and then DJ chatter before their signal faded out so I didn't get > much > > chance to check for true Stereo sound. Missed this one in my last post. WAKR is running (as of our last contact, a year ago) an AMPFET 10 transmitter with stereo interface module and an outboard CQUAM exciter of unknown make. Don't know if they are bdcstg stereo or not, but all the equipment should be there. I know in 1993 they were quite concerned that the system would occasionally transfer to the standby mono exciter, as they wanted to be stereo at all times. Don't know how many owners ago that was, though.... Regards, Jeff Welton Nautel Customer Service Dept. Tel.: 1-902-823-3900 ext. 127 Fax: 1-902-823-3183 email: jwelton@nautel.com From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Feb 19 18:56:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 20 Feb 2002 02:56:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 20959 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2002 02:56:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2002 02:56:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11706.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.72) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2002 02:56:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20020220025633.84810.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.80.144.26] by web11706.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 18:56:33 PST Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 18:56:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} eXpect Mono ( XM ) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Right on! The bozo's name is Randy Michaels. 73, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Feb 19 22:15:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 20 Feb 2002 06:15:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 85142 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2002 06:15:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2002 06:15:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.85) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2002 06:15:50 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.124] by n35.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2002 06:15:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 06:15:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} eXpect Mono ( XM ) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020220025633.84810.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 276 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.143 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., Jay Rogers wrote: > Right on! The bozo's name is Randy Michaels. > > 73, > Jay,N1WVQ > What happened to message 806 which this message is a response to. I wanted to hear more about this bozo ;-). Is this another yahoo error. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Feb 19 22:59:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 20 Feb 2002 06:59:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 21229 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2002 06:59:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2002 06:59:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.55) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2002 06:59:20 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.164] by n5.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2002 06:59:07 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 06:59:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: eXpect Mono ( XM ) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1518 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.30 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > What happened to message 806 which this message is a > response to. I wanted to hear more about this bozo ;-). > Is this another yahoo error. Unfortunately I had to remove it from the list archive because it contained offensive language. Let's just say the author got a little too enthusiastic in his description of how much he dislikes Clear Channel. Don't worry people.... I'm no dictator of this group and I don't intend on becoming one... in fact, this is an "open" group so I can't actually kick anybody out even if I wanted to.... but I still have my limits, one of which is that the use of offensive or derogatory language is not allowed. Furthermore, while we're on the subject, may I offer a reminder of one of the paragraphs of the introductory message for this group: > > > > keep in mind that professionals in the radio business may be participating in this Forum, so in order to avoid offending these valuable members, it would be wise to avoid gratuitous "bashing" of radio stations, broadcasting corporations, and on-air personalities. < < < < Notice I said *gratuitous* bashing... that doesn't mean ALL bashing... so instead of just saying "Clear Channel sucks!", give some REASONS why you think they "suck"! Then it becomes non-gratuitous! OK? :-) For example: "Clear Channel sucks because they've turned off the AM Stereo at 95% of the AM stations they own." (that other 5% is 960 KABL, 1670 WRNC, and maybe one or two others that are C.C. stations broadcasting in AM STEREO) From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Feb 20 07:25:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 20 Feb 2002 15:24:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 50988 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2002 15:24:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2002 15:24:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11706.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.72) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2002 15:24:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20020220152458.12882.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.80.144.26] by web11706.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 07:24:58 PST Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 07:24:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: eXpect Mono ( XM ) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Is WXKS/1430-Medford-Boston still stereo? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From MHAW2001@AOL.COM Wed Feb 20 09:08:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Mhaw2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 20 Feb 2002 17:08:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 33922 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2002 17:08:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2002 17:08:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.7) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2002 17:08:32 -0000 Received: from Mhaw2001@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.aa.6dbac57 (4323) for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:08:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:08:22 EST Subject: Sony ST-JX220A Tuner Pics To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows CA sub 12021 From: MHAW2001@AOL.COM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I finally got the tuner for $80 Canadian. The tuner is in immaculate condition by the photos the sender sent me (which are available in the pictures section of this site). The difference between this and the American version is that the Canadian features AM Stereo, Wide/Narrow button and a Mono/Stereo switch for AM Stereo. Why did Sony only release these units in Canada? The seller also had the original 1985 brochure of Sony products which has descriptions and pictures of all the AM Stereo products released by Sony in 85. I'll scan the pages as soon as I get it. I will be receiving it and the tuner in a week or two. I'll let you know what it's like! I can't wait! London, Ontario has two oldies stations that broadcast in stereo (980/1410) as well as the Stereo stations from Detroit, Hamilton and Toronto. At night I can get almost all of the Eastern 50,000 flamethrowers on my new DTS/DD TEAC so i'm hoping that the Sony has even better reception! Matt [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Feb 20 13:26:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 20 Feb 2002 21:26:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 11105 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2002 21:26:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2002 21:26:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.71) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2002 21:26:34 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.129] by n21.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2002 21:11:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 21:26:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: eXpect Mono ( XM ) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020220152458.12882.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 972 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.189 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Is WXKS/1430-Medford-Boston still stereo? When I visited Boston in August 2001, the only local AM Stereo stations were 740 WJIB, 1030 WBZ, and 1090 WILD. Actually when I was there, WJIB was in mono, but I e-mailed Bob Bittner (owner/operator of the station) and he said they had just installed a new Nautel transmitter and were still getting the Stereo set up. When WJIB is in Stereo they sound unique because Bob uses a Stereo reverb on all the audio, even the music. Although common in the 1960s, you really don't hear reverb anymore, especially during music (some stations have reverb only on the DJ's microphone). 1090 WILD is also interesting to listen to, because not only do they play great R&B music in full Stereo, they also use Stereo for the talk elements as well.... they have it set up so that when the DJ takes a phone call, the caller's voice is in one channel and the DJ's voice in the other. Very neat, I wish more stations did that! From MHAW2001@AOL.COM Wed Feb 20 14:49:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Mhaw2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 20 Feb 2002 22:49:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 77991 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2002 22:49:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2002 22:49:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.7) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2002 22:49:32 -0000 Received: from Mhaw2001@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.187.3abc78d (4249) for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 17:49:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <187.3abc78d.29a581f8@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 17:49:28 EST Subject: Vancouver Check To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows CA sub 12021 From: MHAW2001@AOL.COM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I asked the person who sold me my Sony tuner what stations were still broadcasting in the Greater Vancouver area before he mailed it. Here is his findings: New Westminister 980 CKNW News/Talk/Sports STEREO Vancouver 600 CKBD Adult Standards MONO Vancouver 730 CJNW News STEREO Vancouver 1040 CKST Sports STEREO Vancouver 1320 CHMB Chinese STEREO Vancouver 1410 CFUN Talk STEREO Vancouver 1470 CJVB Chinese/Ethnic STEREO Victoria 900 CKMO Variety MONO Victoria 1070 CFAX News MONO Matt [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rjskadl@yahoo.com Wed Feb 20 17:52:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 21 Feb 2002 01:52:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 49529 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2002 01:52:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2002 01:52:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.53) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2002 01:52:25 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.91] by n3.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2002 01:52:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 01:52:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM Reception Booster Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 498 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl I have heard that there are devices sold that can help strenghten AM signals on a Tabletop radio or Clock radio or a stationary walkman (basically any AM radio with an internal antenna but no where to attatch an external longwire) I am wondering if anyone here has tried one of these things and if they are any good or not, and if they are where can one be purchased, or is it possible to make a decent inexpensive homebrew model. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks a bunch! -Rusty From narkspud@hotmail.com Wed Feb 20 19:02:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 21 Feb 2002 03:02:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 19461 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2002 03:02:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2002 03:02:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.222) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2002 03:02:21 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 19:02:21 -0800 Received: from 67.224.44.187 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 03:02:21 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Reception Booster Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 19:02:21 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Feb 2002 03:02:21.0668 (UTC) FILETIME=[2E33CA40:01C1BA84] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.224.44.187] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud You must be referring to an inductive loop antenna. My Terk AM Advantage rocks. You just set it down next to the radio and it works miracles. Hard to believe until you try it. It will *not* do much for interference problems, but for strengthening weak signals, it's a wonder. Check Circuit City and similar establishments, and don't get any of the Terk "combo" antennas alleging AM reception--they don't do much. You want the AM Advantage. Looks like a big hoop with a flat base. Radio Shack makes (made?) one as well. I hear it's uglier but cheaper. Don't know if it's as good. narkspud > > >I have heard that there are devices sold that can help strenghten AM >signals on a Tabletop radio or Clock radio or a stationary walkman >(basically any AM radio with an internal antenna but no where to >attatch an external longwire) > >I am wondering if anyone here has tried one of these things and if >they are any good or not, and if they are where can one be purchased, >or is it possible to make a decent inexpensive homebrew model. Any >help is greatly appreciated. Thanks a bunch! -Rusty > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From MHAW2001@AOL.COM Wed Feb 20 20:14:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Mhaw2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 21 Feb 2002 04:14:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 16664 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2002 04:14:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2002 04:14:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r04.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.100) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2002 04:14:05 -0000 Received: from Mhaw2001@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.134.9bdbfa1 (18559) for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 23:13:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <134.9bdbfa1.29a5ce03@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 23:13:55 EST Subject: Great DXing Night! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows CA sub 12021 From: MHAW2001@AOL.COM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I only wish I had my new Sony AM Stereo tuner. This is what I've been able to pull in with a brand-new TEAC Home Theatre receiver. Has quite the tuner as I have received these stations by just using the cheap antenna that comes with the receiver. I'm located in London Ontario on the 4th floor of an apartment building. 530 540 CBEF Windsor, ON SRC R1 550 WGR Buffalo, NY Sports 560 570 CKGL Kitchener, ON News/Talk 580 590 CJCL Toronto, ON Sports 600 610 620 630 CFCO Chatham, ON Oldies 640 CFYI Richmond Hill, ON News/Talk 650 WSM Nashville, TN Classic Country 660 WFAN New York City, NY Sports 670 WSCR Chicago, IL Sports 680 CFTR Toronto, ON News 690 CINF Montreal, PQ News/Talk 700 WLW Cincinnati, OH News/Talk/Variety 710 WOR New York City, NY News/Talk 720 WGN Chicago, IL News/Talk 730 CKAC Montreal, PQ French AC 740 CHWO Oakville, ON Nostalgia 750 760 WJR Detroit, MI News/Talk 770 WABC New York City, NY News/Talk 780 WBBM Chicago, IL News 790 CIGM Sudbury, ON Country 800 CKLW Windsor, ON News/Talk 810 WGY Schenectady, NY News/Talk 820 CHAM Hamilton, ON 830 WCCO Minneapolis, MN News/Talk 840 WHAS Louisville, KY AC/Oldies/Talk 850 WEEI Boston, MA Sports 860 CJBC Toronto, ON SRC R1 870 880 WCBS New York City, NY News 890 WLS Chicago, IL News/Talk 900 CHML Hamilton, ON Talk/Oldies 910 920 CKNX Wingham, ON Country 930 WBEN Buffalo, NY News/Talk 940 CINW Montreal, PQ News 950 960 970 980 CFPL London, ON Variety 990 CKGM Montreal, PQ Oldies 1000 WMVP Chicago, IL Sports 1010 CFRB Toronto, ON News/Talk 1020 KDKA Pittsburgh, PA News/Talk 1030-day ?? 1030-night WBZ Boston, MA News/Talk 1040 WHO Des Moines, IA News/Talk 1050 CHUM Toronto, ON Sports 1060 KYW Philadelphia, PA News 1070 CHOK Sarnia, ON Oldies 1080 WTIC Hartford, CT AC/Talk 1090-day CKKW Kitchener, ON Sports 1090-night WBAL Baltimore, MD News/Talk 1100 WTAM Cleveland, OH News/Talk 1110 1120 KMOX St Louis, MO News/Talk 1130-day WDFN Detroit, MI Sports 1130-night WBBR New York City, NY Business News 1140 WRVA Richmond, VA News/Talk 1150 CKOC Hamilton, ON Oldies 1160 1170 WWVA Wheeling, WV News/Talk 1180 WHAM Rochester, NY News/Talk 1190 WOWO Fort Wayne, IN News/Talk 1200 CFGO Ottawa, ON Sports 1210 WPHT Philadelphia, PA News/Talk 1220 WHK Cleveland, OH Religious 1230 ? Sports 1240 CJCS Stratford, ON Oldies 1250 WEAE Pittsburgh, PA Sports 1260 1270 1280 CFMB Montreal, PQ Ethnic 1290 CJBK London, ON News/Talk/Sports 1310 CIWW Ottawa, ON Oldies 1320 1330 1340 1350 1360 1370 1380 CKPC Brantford, ON AC 1390 1400 1410 CKSL London, ON Oldies 1420 1430 CKYC Toronto, ON Country 1440 1450 1460 1470 WMBD Peoria, IL News 1480 1490 1500 WTOP Washington, DC News 1500 KSTP St Paul, MN News/Talk 1510-day CKOT Tilsonburg, ON Country 1510-night WLAC Nashville, TN News/Talk 1520 WWKB Buffalo, NY Business 1530 WSAI Cincinnati, OH Adult Standards 1540-day CHIN Toronto, ON Ethnic 1540-night KXEL Waterloo, IA News/Talk 1550 CBE Windsor, ON CBC R1 1560 WQEW New York City, NY Radio Disney 1570 1580 1590 ? Ethnic 1600 1610 1620 1630 KCJJ Iowa City, IA AC/Talk 1640 WKSH Sussex, WI Religious 1650 KCNZ Cedar Falls, IA News/Talk 1660 1670 1680 WJNZ Ada, MI R&B 1690 1700 1710 1720 Matt [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Wed Feb 20 21:16:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 21 Feb 2002 05:16:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 77521 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2002 05:16:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2002 05:16:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.60) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2002 05:16:31 -0000 Received: from [216.115.97.83] by n10.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2002 05:16:31 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 05:16:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: KWY Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 341 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tom_richard1980" X-Originating-IP: 147.144.66.251 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 There's a 1630 out of Cheyenne, WY calling itself KWY. I never receive a good enough signal to catch their ID but I'm sure it's not a 3-letter call (unless the FCC suddenly believes in tradition...) Couldn't tell if it's stereo either. I'm in San Francisco and 1640 is nearby but there doesn't seem to be any interference. Any ideas? From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Wed Feb 20 21:18:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 21 Feb 2002 05:18:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 80157 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2002 05:18:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2002 05:18:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.77) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2002 05:18:15 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.146] by n27.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2002 05:18:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 05:18:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} eXpect Mono ( XM ) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4a.6c7ebf3.29a363c1@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 196 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tom_richard1980" X-Originating-IP: 147.144.66.251 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 > > If Crap Channel really hates Stereo, then why haven't they turned off the > stereo pilots at their FM stations? > > ............I thought of that myself. Think anyone would notice? Tom From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Wed Feb 20 21:19:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 21 Feb 2002 05:19:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 45575 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2002 05:19:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2002 05:19:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.51) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2002 05:19:45 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.118] by n1.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2002 05:19:43 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 05:19:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kahn Powerside stations still on the air? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 354 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tom_richard1980" X-Originating-IP: 147.144.66.251 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 --- In amstereoforum@y..., "matt_haw2000" wrote: > Are there any Kahn Powerside stations on the air still? > > Thanks, > Matt I think 1450 KEST, San Francisco might be but I'm not sure. They might as well shut that station down anyway. It has the crappiest signal for a big market station. I can barely get it downtown... Tom From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Feb 20 21:56:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 21 Feb 2002 05:56:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 34092 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2002 05:56:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2002 05:56:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11705.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.71) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2002 05:56:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20020221055611.99775.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.80.144.26] by web11705.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 21:56:11 PST Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 21:56:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: eXpect Mono ( XM ) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio WILD is a great station. I would always try to get them because a local 1110 was 2 miles from my house. 73, Jay, N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From jwelton@nautel.com Thu Feb 21 04:43:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 21 Feb 2002 12:43:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 58199 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2002 12:43:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2002 12:43:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserver.nautel.com) (24.222.4.134) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2002 12:43:45 -0000 Received: FROM jeff-welton BY mailserver.nautel.com ; Thu Feb 21 08:44:02 2002 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 08:39:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Kahn Powerside stations still on the air? Message-ID: <3C74B229.16136.3DD651@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) From: "Jeff Welton" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 > > Are there any Kahn Powerside stations on the air still? > > > > I think 1450 KEST, San Francisco might be but I'm not sure. They > might as well shut that station down anyway. It has the crappiest > signal for a big market station. I can barely get it downtown... Nope, KEST pulled the Kahn in 1996, bought a mono rf driver for their AMPFET 1 and installed it 01/16/1996. Keeping in mind that they're only 1kW, they're not going to get a lot of penetration into the concrete jungle. Side note, I've spoken to four or five stations shutting down Powersides in the last five to ten years, and only one station installing one. About the same ratio of shutdown vs. turn-on applies to the CQUAM system, although (obviously) higher numbers. Regards, Jeff Welton Nautel Customer Service Dept. Tel.: 1-902-823-3900 ext. 127 Fax: 1-902-823-3183 email: jwelton@nautel.com From rfinder@telusplanet.net Thu Feb 21 11:57:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rfinder@telusplanet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 21 Feb 2002 19:57:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 15829 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2002 19:57:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2002 19:57:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.57) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2002 19:57:30 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.140] by n7.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2002 19:57:30 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 19:57:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} eXpect Mono ( XM ) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020220025633.84810.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 202 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "i2thesky2001" X-Originating-IP: 142.59.49.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public --- In amstereoforum@y..., Jay Rogers wrote: > Right on! The bozo's name is Randy Michaels. > Just a word of advice for you folks. Allowed words: Crap, Bozo Taboo Word: "Queer" From rfinder@telusplanet.net Thu Feb 21 12:01:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rfinder@telusplanet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 21 Feb 2002 20:01:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 95058 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2002 20:01:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2002 20:01:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.85) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2002 20:01:13 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.44] by n35.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2002 20:01:13 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:01:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Vancouver Check Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <187.3abc78d.29a581f8@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 912 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "i2thesky2001" X-Originating-IP: 142.59.49.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public --- In amstereoforum@y..., MHAW2001@A... wrote: > I asked the person who sold me my Sony tuner what stations were still > broadcasting in the Greater Vancouver area before he mailed it. Here is his > findings: > > New Westminister 980 CKNW News/Talk/Sports STEREO > Vancouver 600 CKBD Adult Standards MONO > Vancouver 730 CJNW News STEREO > Vancouver 1040 CKST Sports STEREO > Vancouver 1320 CHMB Chinese STEREO > Vancouver 1410 CFUN Talk STEREO > Vancouver 1470 CJVB Chinese/Ethnic STEREO > Victoria 900 CKMO Variety MONO > Victoria 1070 CFAX News MONO > > Matt > Unfortunately, the only one broadcasting with Stereo production would be CKBD. All the other stations have Stereo pilots but with little or no stereo production, being that they're mostly yak stations. I listen to them everynight trying to hear any stereo music. Nothing > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Feb 21 14:25:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 21 Feb 2002 22:25:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 51599 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2002 22:25:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2002 22:25:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11701.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.67) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2002 22:25:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20020221222549.12984.qmail@web11701.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.80.144.26] by web11701.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:25:49 PST Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:25:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} eXpect Mono ( XM ) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio But "Queer" rhymes with Clear and it is the most derrogatory (sp.?) word we can think of. "Cheap Channel" just doesn't have that *PUNCH* to it. Neither does "evil empire." Come on, that was the U.S.S.R. anyway so please use something original. Queer Channel rhymes with their name and sounds nasty. It's got that UMPH to it. Besides if you think that's bad wait until you hear what I call "Citadel!" ACTUAL profanity there! Remember, political correctness is just another form of mind control. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Feb 21 14:43:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 21 Feb 2002 22:43:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 23991 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2002 22:43:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2002 22:43:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11703.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.69) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2002 22:43:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20020221224327.78107.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.80.144.26] by web11703.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:43:27 PST Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:43:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} eXpect Mono ( XM ) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20020221222549.12984.qmail@web11701.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio By the way, some XM stereo (at least some of the channels. 6-6 Raw, Club 82, the Jazz channels). Maybe we get better reception in Fl.. Well, in 2 weeks I will be a R.I.er again. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Feb 21 15:37:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 21 Feb 2002 23:37:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 94447 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2002 23:37:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2002 23:37:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.80) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2002 23:37:54 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.170] by n30.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2002 23:37:54 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:37:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WXKS Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020220152458.12882.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 593 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.85.29 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Is WXKS/1430-Medford-Boston still stereo? By the way, WXKS is listed as being owned by "AMFM Radio Licenses LLC", a.k.a. Clear Channel, so that might explain things if they are no longer broadcasting in AM Stereo. BTW, The best site to look up info on North American radio stations is the Radio Locator: http://www.radio-locator.com/ Its data on stations is usually very up-to-date, and includes what format the station is and what company they are owned by. It also provides approximate signal coverage maps, which may not be 100% accurate but are still interesting to look at. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Feb 21 15:46:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 21 Feb 2002 23:46:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 10335 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2002 23:46:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2002 23:46:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.83) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2002 23:46:15 -0000 Received: from [216.115.97.88] by n33.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2002 23:46:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:46:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: KWY Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 940 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.85.29 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > There's a 1630 out of Cheyenne, WY calling itself KWY. I never > receive a good enough signal to catch their ID but I'm sure it's not > a 3-letter call (unless the FCC suddenly believes in tradition...) > Couldn't tell if it's stereo either. I'm in San Francisco and 1640 > is nearby but there doesn't seem to be any interference. Any ideas? That's actually 1630 KKWY from Fox Farm, WY. Here's the blurb from Alex's old AM Stereo site: 1630 KKWY Cheyenne/Fox Farm, Wyoming - "Classic Country K-Why" is on the air at 1000 watts using a long-wire antenna, but unfortunately they're also broadcasting in mono. They are operating on an STA (Special Temporary Authority) pending completion of a diplexer that will allow them to share the antenna with Nostalgia formatted 1370 KJJL (K-Jewel) in Cheyenne. Hopefully KKWY will eventually hit the airwaves in Motorola C-QUAM AM STEREO once the diplexer project has been completed. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Feb 21 15:51:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 21 Feb 2002 23:51:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 46915 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2002 23:51:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2002 23:51:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.60) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2002 23:51:21 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.118] by n10.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2002 23:51:21 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:51:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: eXpect Mono ( XM ) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 295 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.85.29 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Just a word of advice for you folks. > > Allowed words: Crap, Bozo > > Taboo Word: "Queer" There is nothing wrong with using the word "queer" here as long as it is not used in a derogatory manner. In fact you could say we are all a bit queer for having an active interest in AM Stereo. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Feb 21 17:20:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 22 Feb 2002 01:20:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 35850 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2002 00:42:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2002 00:42:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.59) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2002 00:42:17 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.156] by n9.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2002 00:41:40 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 00:41:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: re: Clear Channel bashing Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2659 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.85.29 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Note: Due to the "preview" feature of the Yahoo Groups web site for this Forum, an offensive word of the original version of this message ended up being prominently displayed on the web site. That message has been deleted from the archive to prevent that. The content below is exactly the same as the original version, so that viewers of the Forum's web site can still view what I had to say, except now the offensive word (which I regret having to use to make my point) will not show up so prominently. > But "Queer" rhymes with Clear and it is the most derrogatory (sp.?) > word we can think of. "Cheap Channel" just doesn't have that > *PUNCH* to it. Neither does "evil empire." Come on, that was the > U.S.S.R. anyway so please use something original. Queer Channel > rhymes with their name and sounds nasty. It's got that UMPH to it. "Nigger Channel" would have even more "umph". So why not use that instead? My point is that to besmirch the name of a company is one thing. But to besmirch it using a word that is commonly used as a slur against a class of people (either by ethnicity, race, religion, or other factors) is not acceptable. And everybody, please remember that regardless of the words you use, if you wish to expound upon the misdeeds of Clear Channel Communications, you are "preaching to the choir" because all of us here are familiar with the bad things Clear Channel has done and continues to do. Saying "Clear Channel sucks" as a mantra or calling them "Queer Channel" does nothing to help turn around this unfortunate situation. If anything, it just makes it worse, because believe it or not, there *are* a few people at Clear Channel who are supportive of, or who would like to be supportive of AM Stereo, and this senseless bashing of the company that employs them would just turn them away and make them even more reluctant to do anything about Clear Channel's anti-AM Stereo policies. > Remember, political correctness is just another form of mind > control. If it takes "political correctness" to keep this Forum a welcoming place in which to discuss AM Stereo, then so be it. If you wish to talk at length about the misdeeds of Clear Channel and use your favorite slurs to describe them, there are other more appropriate places in which to do so, including the "Turn Off Clear Channel" group right here in Yahoo Groups. I make this point because a certain very valuable member of this Forum recently left another AM Stereo discussion group because it had turned into too much Clear Channel-bashing and not enough constructive discussion of AM Stereo. I don't want that to happen here! From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Feb 21 18:06:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 22 Feb 2002 02:06:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 76724 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2002 02:06:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2002 02:06:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2002 02:06:28 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-103.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.103]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA14110 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:06:29 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <008301c1bb45$9e5e4400$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} KWY Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:07:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Kevin answered most of your questions, but from what I know of the station, the owner was trying to home brew a diplexer on the cheap and never got it to work (or if he did it was only VERY recently.) Wonder why he even bothered applying for the EB since it was clear he didn't have enough money to do it right? Never enough money to do it right, but always enough to do it over. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: tom_richard1980 To: Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 11:16 PM Subject: {AMSF} KWY > There's a 1630 out of Cheyenne, WY calling itself KWY. From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Feb 21 18:14:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 22 Feb 2002 02:14:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 89744 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2002 02:14:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2002 02:14:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2002 02:14:38 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-103.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.103]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA15808 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:14:41 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <009701c1bb46$c6b5e9c0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: eXpect Mono ( XM ) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:15:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I remember Darwin telling of some engineer in CA that never joined because of this, but the only one I knew to leave was Cris Alexander, and that wasn't over CC bashing. But you are right, we need to be judicious in our approach, though not avoiding things unpleasant. BTW, Jay, there are a few people on these lists of a certain sexual orientation that take exception to the Q word. Scott Todd > I make this point because a certain very valuable member of this Forum > recently left another AM Stereo discussion group because it had turned > into too much Clear Channel-bashing and not enough constructive > discussion of AM Stereo. I don't want that to happen here! From rfinder@telusplanet.net Thu Feb 21 20:29:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rfinder@telusplanet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 22 Feb 2002 04:29:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 42261 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2002 04:29:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2002 04:29:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.76) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2002 04:29:13 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.88] by n26.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2002 04:13:29 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 04:29:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} eXpect Mono ( XM ) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020221222549.12984.qmail@web11701.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1184 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "i2thesky2001" X-Originating-IP: 142.59.49.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public --- > > Besides if you think that's bad wait until you hear > what I call "Citadel!" ACTUAL profanity there! > > Remember, political correctness is just another form > of mind control. > > __________________________________________________ > Good, now we're getting somewhere. Up north here in CanaDuh! where we ride a round in sleighs pulled by huskies and malamutes and live in caves of ice where we shiver and enjoy high speed internet, we have the same types of fascist, totalitarian ultra-greedy, monopolistic and opportunistic multi media conglomerates. These companies, known for thier heavy handed tactics at hostily taking over smaller private broadcaster and swallowing them whole like a pregnant boa constrictor. Mabey you can think of rhyming descriptive names for companies like "Bell", and "Rogers", Shaw and CHUM radio group. BTW, Roger's has the same narrow minded, near sighted attitude towards AM stereo as that Interfere Channel company down there. Lets all bash Mr. Roger's neighbourhhod of mono inflicted Sports crap stations. At least I cant bash Shaw too much because they own two of the remaining 4 AMS station in Alberta. CHQT and CHQR From n0uiheric@aol.com Thu Feb 21 22:18:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 22 Feb 2002 06:18:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 64839 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2002 06:18:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2002 06:18:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2002 06:18:22 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.158.95daf97 (4447) for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 01:18:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <158.95daf97.29a73cac@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 01:18:20 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} eXpect Mono ( XM ) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Yes...and that dum-dum Michaels started out as a SEX-DRIVEN SHOCK JOCK. It's no wonder sex-driven shock radio abounds on Crap Channel's stations! That, along with massive monaural broadcasting, makes you want to PUKE! 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://members.aol.com/n0uiheric/TurnOffClearChannel.html http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/turnoffclearchannel From n0uiheric@aol.com Thu Feb 21 22:18:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 22 Feb 2002 06:18:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 71110 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2002 06:18:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2002 06:18:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2002 06:18:28 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.ad.18a381f4 (4447) for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 01:18:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 01:18:22 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} KWY To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih The call letters are KKWY. Haven't heard them in St. Louis due to powerhouses KCJJ and WTRU. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://members.aol.com/n0uiheric/TurnOffClearChannel.html http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/turnoffclearchannel From n0uiheric@aol.com Thu Feb 21 22:27:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 22 Feb 2002 06:27:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 29387 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2002 06:27:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2002 06:27:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d09.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.41) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2002 06:27:47 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.f4.17296fe1 (4447) for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 01:27:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 01:27:41 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: eXpect Mono ( XM ) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih I also noticed that Clear Channel's St. Louis country station, KSD 93.7, is transmitting a Stereo pilot only, but no discernible Stereo seperation. Bonneville's WIL 92.3, by contrast, has full Stereo seperation. Some of their stations shut off their Stereo STLs on occasion; I heard Urban-formatted KATZ-FM 100.3 and Oldies-formatted KLOU 103.3 with no discernible seperation on the car radio this afternoon; and Urban AC-formatted KMJM 104.9 without discernible seperation in the evening. The only one of the Clear Channel cluster that apparently keeps it's Stereo seperation on around the clock is CHR-formatted KSLZ 107.7. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://members.aol.com/n0uiheric/TurnOffClearChannel.html http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/turnoffclearchannel From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Feb 21 22:47:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 22 Feb 2002 06:47:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 5714 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2002 06:47:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2002 06:47:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11706.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.72) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2002 06:47:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20020222064746.50061.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.80.144.26] by web11706.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 22:47:46 PST Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 22:47:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} eXpect Mono ( XM ), and stop Clear Channel from becoming "All Channel." To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio 2/22/2002 Bell right now could easily become hell. CHUM is Chump. Now, as for Rogers, which is MY last name, I think I can come up with an anagram for it. This Rogers Co. sounds like they'd fit in with my redneck Texas cousins. So if this is family bidnizz, I am going to go up there & take over the family business. My last statement on the word "queer." It literally means odd or strange. I think we can all agree that what they do is odd or strange at the least. I also agree about the "preaching to the choir" bit. It's true, but we need organization. So here's what I propose: We go into groups based on interest(s). A tech group, a business group, a promotions group, a D.J. group, a P.D. group, a listener group and maybe a group to work on finding music. The main question is: how do we persuade FM listeners to take a chance on AM? Granted, a lot of the east coast music AMs are "cripples", i.e. 1kW of power or less day, and less or no power at night on a high frequency, & a small budget. Personally, I think if KCJJ could put their programming on all 1630s that would be a help. At the very least it would elliminate the XM statement about never having to change the dial (at least at night.) Scott & others have made a good point about the availability of radios. Plus, they're ill-labeled. What did the F.C.C. do w/ the proposal to clearly identify A.M. Stereo radios, or was it for all F.M. Stereo radios have to include A.M. Stereo as well. Is there a copy of the "all-channel" legislation from 1962 in which all T.V.s had to have UHF as well as VHF? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Feb 22 00:05:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 22 Feb 2002 08:05:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 12899 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2002 08:05:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2002 08:05:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11701.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.67) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2002 08:05:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20020222080515.77935.qmail@web11701.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.80.144.26] by web11701.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 00:05:15 PST Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 00:05:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: Newspaper ad. What do you think? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio It's not your grandfather's AM radio.... You've heard about it, you've wondered about it, maybe you've even hit that lonely "AM" button on your radio by accident. Well, it's time for you to tune in AM for real. You can do it. Just relax, take a deep breath and prepare yourself for an auditory delight. AM Stereo. It's not a myth-it's reality, and if you have an AM stereo radio you won't bother with FM again. Unlike FM stations, AM stereo stations don't think you know only 100 or 200 songs; and unlike mono AM stations, AM stereo stations know you have TWO ears. When you hear AM Stereo for the first time, you won't believe those ears. Your hearing isn't failing you- AM Stereo DOES sound better than FM. Go ahead: try it. You can thank us later. AM STEREO. In the Boston area, tune in: WJIB AM740 for easy listening WILD AM1090 for R&B In the Providence area tune in: WOON AM1240 for variety. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Feb 22 00:05:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 22 Feb 2002 08:05:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 30009 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2002 08:05:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2002 08:05:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11701.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.67) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2002 08:05:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20020222080515.77939.qmail@web11701.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.80.144.26] by web11701.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 00:05:15 PST Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 00:05:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: Newspaper ad. What do you think? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio It's not your grandfather's AM radio.... You've heard about it, you've wondered about it, maybe you've even hit that lonely "AM" button on your radio by accident. Well, it's time for you to tune in AM for real. You can do it. Just relax, take a deep breath and prepare yourself for an auditory delight. AM Stereo. It's not a myth-it's reality, and if you have an AM stereo radio you won't bother with FM again. Unlike FM stations, AM stereo stations don't think you know only 100 or 200 songs; and unlike mono AM stations, AM stereo stations know you have TWO ears. When you hear AM Stereo for the first time, you won't believe those ears. Your hearing isn't failing you- AM Stereo DOES sound better than FM. Go ahead: try it. You can thank us later. AM STEREO. In the Boston area, tune in: WJIB AM740 for easy listening WILD AM1090 for R&B In the Providence area tune in: WOON AM1240 for variety. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From dav259@minerals.csiro.au Fri Feb 22 00:54:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@minerals.csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 22 Feb 2002 08:54:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 78544 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2002 08:54:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2002 08:54:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2002 08:54:17 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA08249; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:54:15 +1100 (EST) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:54:14 +1100 (EST) To: amstereoforum Cc: iaaas list Subject: Re: Jay's jottings ... In-Reply-To: <20020222064746.50061.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24627097 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Jay Rogers wrote: > So here's what I propose: > > We go into groups based on interest(s). A tech group, > a business group, a promotions group, a D.J. group, a > P.D. group, a listener group and maybe a group to work > on finding music. I like the thread but feel with only 48 on the list we'd be spreading ourselves a bit thin (not like Vegemite!) - could end up only half a dozen in some groups. But we need more propossals - and more doing! For non-tech guys like me I propose we start up a group of "organised" e-mail senders who would be prepared to send messages of praise or damnation as AM stations switch on and off AM stereo. In my experience there are two sorts of people involved in whether a station will or won't be AMS - winkers and wankers. The winkers like to be massaged - they like praise and like to try to do the right thing by their listeners. Sometimes they simply can't. The wankers couldn't give a rats clacker - but may be in the control of beancounters who do have some worries about listeners switching off. If we could get 20 or more people prepared to lobby these stations as required there's alot of good we could achieve. I'm not talking about writing Pullitzer Prize essays - just two or three line responses to stations as they switch AMS on or off. eg. "Thanks heaps for turning the stereo back on at Wxxx. We in xxxVille have really missed it." or "I've been disappointed that I haven't received a stereo signal from Kxxx over the last few days. Is there a problem and when can we look forward to AM stereo again?" I am very willing to co-ordinate such a sub-list (ie. not a list like this - a private list of e-maillers who I could write to to basically advise what to say and suggest a place where you live). When there's a problem - or breakthrough - it would be raised on this list - and I would follow up with the e-mail vulunteers as to what they should say - to whom - and possibly when to send the message. ie - 20 messages over four days may look better than 20 messages sent in the space of 12 hours. I really think there are plenty of radio people around who like and respect input from their listeners. If we got this organised - when there is a problem - or breakthrough - we would simply need anyone on this list to alert us as to: - the station callsign and market - the format - the problem (or breakthrough) - who we should contact - where we might live What do you winkers and wankers think??? Ian From dav259@minerals.csiro.au Fri Feb 22 00:59:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@minerals.csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 22 Feb 2002 08:59:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 4449 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2002 08:59:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2002 08:59:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2002 08:59:12 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA08444 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:59:10 +1100 (EST) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:59:10 +1100 (EST) To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Newspaper ad. What do you think? In-Reply-To: <20020222080515.77939.qmail@web11701.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24627097 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, Jay Rogers wrote: > It's not your grandfather's AM radio.... > > You've heard about it, you've wondered about it, maybe > you've even hit that lonely "AM" button on your radio > by accident. Well, it's time for you to tune in AM > for real. You can do it. Just relax, take a deep > breath and prepare yourself for an auditory delight. > AM Stereo. ect .... Good one Jay I love it!!! If only we could get this message through ... (Maybe you should be in advertising.) From jsgil@hal-pc.org Fri Feb 22 01:18:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 22 Feb 2002 09:18:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 6577 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2002 09:18:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2002 09:18:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.66) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2002 09:18:04 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.141] by n16.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2002 09:17:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 09:18:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: eXpect Mono ( XM ) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4a.6c7ebf3.29a363c1@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 915 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.35 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., n0uiheric@a... wrote: > If Crap Channel really hates Stereo, then why haven't they turned off the > stereo pilots at their FM stations? > > Don't give them any Ideas ;-). The bandwidth that is occupied by the L-R subcarrier in FM is prime real estate and could be used for IBOC. Wipe out SCA and Stereo and 70+ KHz of bandwidth could be reclaimed for IBOC. FM mono vs IBOC which could be mono, stereo, or quadraphonic whatever they want it to be could definitely sound better than an over compressed mono analog signal. Degrade the analog signal to the point where any sub par digital signal would sound better. I wouldn't put it past them to do such a thing. From their point of view why would they want to anything to improve any of the analog systems that would narrow the comparison to IBOC including AM Stereo. I could be wrong but this goes right along with their mentality. From juan@wgylfm.com Fri Feb 22 07:19:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: juan@wgylfm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 22 Feb 2002 15:19:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 47012 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2002 15:19:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2002 15:19:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns3.planetcomputer.net) (65.115.157.11) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2002 15:19:25 -0000 Received: from bellsouth (unverified [66.156.230.109]) by ns3.planetcomputer.net (Vircom SMTPRS 4.7.192) with SMTP id ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 10:13:51 -0500 Message-ID: <003001c1bbb4$26d22c20$0100000a@net.bellsouth.net> To: Cc: Subject: WTTB Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 10:18:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Juan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95421407 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks to everyone for the positive words, encouragement, and advice for WTTB and our quest for stereo. It looks like we (the staff) will have to buy the exciter on our own, but at least management doesn't mind (why should they)... Anyway..keep your eyes and ears open for a C-QUAM exciter, we are doing what we can on this end Thanks again Juan juan@wgylfm.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Feb 22 10:38:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 22 Feb 2002 18:38:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 84064 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2002 18:38:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2002 18:38:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14206.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.70) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2002 18:38:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20020222183838.72979.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 10:38:38 PST Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 10:38:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: Former Motorola Employee Comments... To: Dennis AMstereo IAAAS List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Here are some recent comments from a former Motorola employee: "Sounds like we have to wake the AM stations from the dead. I used to approach the stations at the GM and Program Director Level. Even provided commercial copy and tape for promoiton. Had Co-op deals with receiver manufacturers too. It all peaked in 1984 at the Consumer Electronic Show. We showed 37 receivers and had 7 cars on display with factory radios. It's virtually all gone now and with current XM technology ready to barrel over broadcasting as we know it, AM stereo has turned more of a hobby for engineers than a neccesity. You are correct, however, that several AM stations still have the stereo installed. Most spent several thousand dollars to do so. Negative publicity from our friend Leonard Kahn and from non-informed media of the day has spread the false rumors regarding stereo and lack of coverage. C-QUAM never killed anyone's coverage. Kahn spoke of 'Platform Motion" on the C-QUAM system, however this was only in certain far fringe areas of the coverage maps. So people shut off the exciters so they could be heard in mono to the end of their pattern. Reviving AM stereo is a great idea. But it will be climbing Mt. Everest in ice covered shoes. You no longer are going up against FM radio, but digital technology. Yet I think anyone that has invested in C-QUAM should still be using it...worldwide. Perhaps station personnel has changed hands and some stations are not aware they have this capability. Just think. A free review of the transmitter room from your group at radio stations all over the world and you might light 1000 station stereo pilots again! Good luck!" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Feb 22 11:01:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 22 Feb 2002 19:01:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 29448 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2002 19:00:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2002 19:00:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11703.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.69) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2002 19:00:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20020222190054.3165.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.80.144.26] by web11703.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:00:54 PST Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:00:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Jay's jottings ... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Put me on that list for the winkers/wankers. Maybe I can finally get some answers out of WBZ. What is taking so long? At least WKLN here in St. Augustine has told me they are going to return to stereo broadcasting soon. People could join more than one subgroup. As for the newspaper ad, thank you. If there's something I thoroughly enjoy I can write a lot better than something I don't know about. I do however enjoy writing. By the way, does anyone know if 1590/WKHZ is stereo or not? It's an AM Top 40 station (NOT A SIMULCAST!) in Ocean City, Md.. This would be a good place to introduce the teens/20s to AMS if they have listeners. Well, promotions can take care of that. 73, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Feb 22 13:55:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 22 Feb 2002 21:55:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 12627 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2002 21:55:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2002 21:55:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2002 21:55:20 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.69]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:50:22 -0500 Message-ID: <004c01c1bbea$dfbc8560$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <20020222183838.72979.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Former Motorola Employee Comments... Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:49:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 We have to get this guy on this list! He still seems like he has a spark left- cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Johnny Electron Subject: {AMSF} Former Motorola Employee Comments... > Here are some recent comments from a former Motorola employee: From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Feb 22 17:32:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Feb 2002 01:32:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 73737 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2002 01:32:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2002 01:32:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2002 01:32:15 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-96.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.96]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA25893 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:32:23 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <004901c1bc0a$06c2a940$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: eXpect Mono ( XM ) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:32:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Makes me wonder if they're doing this on purpose to see if anyone's paying attention. I wonder if they figure they'll double their number of programs per carrier once IBOC comes along since they can all be mono? For all of us: Better call them whenever they pull the pilot only crap on FM, or else they'll think nobody cares. Double the sports yap crap. I can hardly wait. :( ST ----- Original Message ----- From: > I also noticed that Clear Channel's St. Louis country station, KSD 93.7, is > transmitting a Stereo pilot only, but no discernible Stereo seperation. From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Feb 22 17:37:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Feb 2002 01:37:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 62252 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2002 01:37:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2002 01:37:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2002 01:37:41 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-96.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.96]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA26644 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:37:20 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <005501c1bc0a$c90f4300$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020222064746.50061.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} eXpect Mono ( XM ), and stop Clear Channel from becoming "All Channel." Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:37:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude As far as I know they did nothing. Chances are there wasn't quite enough interest shown to make them take action. If you know of an AMS station where the staff and management (and owners) haven't signed it, please let them know it's still out there and they need to sign it. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Rogers > What did the > F.C.C. do w/ the proposal to clearly identify A.M. > Stereo radios, or was it for all F.M. Stereo radios > have to include A.M. Stereo as well. Is there a copy > of the "all-channel" legislation from 1962 in which > all T.V.s had to have UHF as well as VHF? From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Feb 22 17:41:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Feb 2002 01:41:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 71684 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2002 01:41:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2002 01:41:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2002 01:41:47 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-96.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.96]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA27325 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:41:55 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <006101c1bc0b$5b977800$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020222080515.77935.qmail@web11701.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Newspaper ad. What do you think? Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:42:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Excellent- but there'll have to be some advertisement of AMS radios along with it to hear those stations on, or else they'll think we're nuts. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Rogers To: Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 2:05 AM Subject: {AMSF} Newspaper ad. What do you think? > It's not your grandfather's AM radio.... > > You've heard about it, you've wondered about it, maybe > you've even hit that lonely "AM" button on your radio > by accident. Well, it's time for you to tune in AM > for real. You can do it. Just relax, take a deep > breath and prepare yourself for an auditory delight. > AM Stereo. It's not a myth-it's reality, and if you > have an AM stereo radio you won't bother with FM > again. Unlike FM stations, AM stereo stations don't > think you know only 100 or 200 songs; and unlike mono > AM stations, AM stereo stations know you have TWO > ears. When you hear AM Stereo for the first time, you > won't believe those ears. Your hearing isn't failing > you- AM Stereo DOES sound better than FM. > > Go ahead: try it. You can thank us later. > AM STEREO. > > In the Boston area, tune in: > > WJIB AM740 for easy listening > WILD AM1090 for R&B > > In the Providence area tune in: > > WOON AM1240 for variety. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > http://sports.yahoo.com > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From raydtuner@yahoo.com Fri Feb 22 17:44:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: raydtuner@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Feb 2002 01:44:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 81828 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2002 01:44:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2002 01:44:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.55) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2002 01:44:05 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.174] by n5.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2002 01:44:05 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 01:44:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WAKR 1590 Banter Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 174 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "raydtuner" X-Originating-IP: 63.183.46.199 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92072182 X-Yahoo-Profile: raydtuner As i mentioned, being here in Cleveland, I can tune anytime, so I WILL just for fun! Last night was the CAVS vs. LAKERS, so someone tuning for oldies would be out of luck. From raydtuner@yahoo.com Fri Feb 22 17:51:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: raydtuner@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Feb 2002 01:51:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 69268 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2002 01:51:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2002 01:51:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.54) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2002 01:51:30 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.161] by n4.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2002 01:51:29 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 01:51:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: CHML 900 Hamilton, ON Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 221 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "raydtuner" X-Originating-IP: 63.183.46.199 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92072182 X-Yahoo-Profile: raydtuner Is this station stereo? I'm receiving it better than CFCO. In fact, last night was my best reception to date. They were playing oldies. The cold winter air seemed to be bringing in the north better, as in the Autumn. From raydtuner@yahoo.com Fri Feb 22 18:00:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: raydtuner@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Feb 2002 02:00:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 2200 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2002 02:00:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2002 02:00:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.73) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2002 02:00:55 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.169] by n23.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2002 02:00:55 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 02:00:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Chrysler Infinty I Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 56 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "raydtuner" X-Originating-IP: 63.183.46.199 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92072182 X-Yahoo-Profile: raydtuner I own a '92 but with NO CD PLAYER. Does it have stereo? From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Feb 22 18:05:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Feb 2002 02:05:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 8515 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2002 02:05:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2002 02:05:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2002 02:05:02 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-96.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.96]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA00880 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 20:05:10 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00f101c1bc0e$9b352540$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} CHML 900 Hamilton, ON Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 20:05:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Used to be. Unless they pitched or sold the AMS gear, no reason they couldn't turn it on again. Someone get their email address and let's flood them with inquiries! Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: raydtuner > Is this station stereo? I'm receiving it better than CFCO. From raydtuner@yahoo.com Fri Feb 22 18:08:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: raydtuner@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Feb 2002 02:08:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 33760 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2002 02:08:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2002 02:08:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.73) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2002 02:08:50 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.123] by n23.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2002 02:08:50 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 02:08:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} CHML 900 Hamilton, ON Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00f101c1bc0e$9b352540$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 523 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "raydtuner" X-Originating-IP: 63.183.46.199 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92072182 X-Yahoo-Profile: raydtuner --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Scott Todd" wrote: > Used to be. Unless they pitched or sold the AMS gear, no reason they > couldn't turn it on again. Someone get their email address and let's flood > them with inquiries! > > Scott Todd > REPLY: Thanks for speedy response! I just checked the AM website, though, and it's not listed. I do get CHIN and CHUM !-RAY>>>>>>>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: raydtuner > > > > Is this station stereo? I'm receiving it better than CFCO. From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Feb 22 18:38:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Feb 2002 02:38:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 92559 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2002 02:38:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2002 02:38:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2002 02:38:31 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-96.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.96]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA05187 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 20:38:39 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <011c01c1bc13$48b4e620$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Chrysler Infinty I Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 20:39:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Most likely. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: raydtuner > I own a '92 but with NO CD PLAYER. Does it have stereo? > From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Feb 22 19:39:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Feb 2002 03:39:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 29178 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2002 03:39:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2002 03:39:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11706.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.72) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2002 03:39:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20020223033948.72408.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.80.144.26] by web11706.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:39:48 PST Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:39:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} CHML 900 Hamilton, ON To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Their website is www.900chml.com and has a lot of info. Down at the bottom of the main page is where the contacts are listed, as well as phone #s. 73, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Feb 22 20:14:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Feb 2002 04:14:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 99679 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2002 04:14:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2002 04:14:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14208.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.72) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2002 04:14:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20020223041443.66860.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.162.18.173] by web14208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 20:14:43 PST Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 20:14:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: Please verify WJR (email if not) To: Dennis AMstereo IAAAS List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Will our friends in range of 760 WJR Detroit please check for a stereo pilot tonight? As of 11pm EST Friday night, I'm not getting a pilot or stereo audio, and the audio sounds like cr*p with a high frequency limit of about 3KHz at best! If you don't get a stereo pilot please email the folks at WJR and ask when the stereo audio will return, and any notes on the audio quality as well. Thanks. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Feb 22 20:29:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Feb 2002 04:29:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 43037 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2002 04:29:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2002 04:29:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.52) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2002 04:29:07 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.182] by n2.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2002 04:29:07 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 04:29:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Please verify WJR (email if not) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020223041443.66860.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 742 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.47 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Will our friends in range of 760 WJR Detroit please check for a > stereo pilot tonight? As of 11pm EST Friday night, I'm not getting > a pilot or stereo audio, and the audio sounds like cr*p with a high > frequency limit of about 3KHz at best! I will check tonight, but having local 770 WABC right on their back usually makes reception difficult. Don't worry too much right away, they could be on a mono backup transmitter temporarily. That would also explain the poor sound quality. I've heard that 760 WJR is the "official" AM Stereo "test station" for the Big Three automakers in Detroit so they have an incentive to remain in AM Stereo as long as the Big Three continue to equip their cars and trucks with AM Stereo radios. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Feb 22 20:35:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Feb 2002 04:35:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 52423 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2002 04:35:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2002 04:35:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.56) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2002 04:35:42 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.116] by n6.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2002 04:35:41 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 04:35:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Chrysler Infinty I Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 825 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.47 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I own a '92 but with NO CD PLAYER. Does it have stereo? At least until recently, ALL Chrysler "Infinity" radios were AM Stereo equipped. The "Infinity" and "Infinity Gold" radios with Expanded Band and 5-band graphic equalizer are the highest quality of AM Stereo radios that Chrysler has ever produced. These have full AMAX sound quality with automatically variable IF bandwidth depending on signal strength. And the Infinity speaker systems used with these radios aren't half bad, either.... the Infinity Gold system, found in Jeeps, is particularly impressive, with lots of power and very clean bass response. We have a '95 Jeep "in the family" with the Infinity Gold system and it is very enjoyable to be able to listen to AM Stereo with enough low bass response that you can feel it vibrate your tush! From KC4QLP@aol.com Fri Feb 22 20:38:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Feb 2002 04:38:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 66755 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2002 04:38:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2002 04:38:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r05.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.101) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2002 04:38:52 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.10e.ce4f990 (4240) for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 23:38:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <10e.ce4f990.29a876d6@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 23:38:46 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WXKS To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 2/21/02 6:40:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, kevtronics@yahoo.com writes: << Its data on stations is usually very up-to-date, and includes what format the station is and what company they are owned by. It also provides approximate signal coverage maps, which may not be 100% accurate but are still interesting to look at. >> The coverage maps are not even close to being accurate. The Coverage map for WGAI is lacking a lot towards the west and the south and a bit towards the north.I'm not sure what they use to determine the coverage on their maps...but whatever it is,its lacking alot. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! 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Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020222183838.72979.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2997 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.102 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., Johnny Electron wrote: > Negative publicity from our friend Leonard Kahn Oh, you must be talking about the "Wrath of Kahn" when Capt. Kirk (Motorola & GM) did him wrong kind of thing ;-). I think this stuff is still tied up in the courts which is a shame because this really hurts the AMS scene. > Kahn spoke of "Platform Motion" on the C-QUAM system But seriously, an ISB system definitely has advantages over the Belar, Harris, Magnavox & Motorola systems when it comes to signal integrety during skywave reception. Yes an ISB system can suffer from platform motion but it does not cause loss of separation since the channels are frequency separated. Some platform motion, caused by a beat note from co-channel interference, which causes the PLL to track the beat of the interference, which results in a side to side motion, can be easily compensated for in a DSP receiver but selective fading can cause a similar problem when USB & LSB amplitude and phase relationships are not maintained, this is where an ISB based system has the advantage. The Harris, Magnavox, Motorola and to a lesser extent Belar systems could all benefit from an ISB approach by audio phase shifting L-R by 90 deg. The other benefit is that as the L+R modulation approaces -100% modulation the L-R modulation is approaching zero so in the case of Motorola the cosine correction is approaching zero degrees and not the 70+ degrees when a single channel is modulated to 75%. In fact it could probably handle close to 100% single channel modulation without any problems in an ISB mode. If any type of ISB system was adopted where two radios could be used for reception this could have provided the extra boost needed for the widespread adoption of AM Stereo. One of the initial problems is the cost of AMS radios but most people have at least two am radios where they could imediately start receiving stereo. Even back in the mid 80's AMS had a uphill battle and needed any and all benefits to become widely adopted. The best approach would have been for the FCC to take some of the best ideas from all the proposed systems to come up with one system that was superior. Well hindsight being 20/20 there is not much that can be done to change all this now but I don't think that all of what Kahn had to say was not without merit and was just to bash C-QuAM. His system had been fine tuned for many years long before C-QuAM came along and was the broadcasters choice. Just ask any station engineer who used the system. Although the Kahn system had fewer exciters out there they were almost all in major metropolitian areas an served more people that any of the other systems in the beginning. It wasn't untill the second generation of C-QuAM decoders came around that C-QuAM could compete on some levels with Kahn ISB during less than ideal signal conditions. Oh well most of this is probably preaching to the chior so take it with a grain of salt here and there. From dav259@minerals.csiro.au Sat Feb 23 01:06:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@minerals.csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Feb 2002 09:06:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 11154 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2002 09:06:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2002 09:06:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2002 09:06:17 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29761 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 20:06:15 +1100 (EST) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 20:06:15 +1100 (EST) To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Newspaper ad. What do you think? In-Reply-To: <006101c1bc0b$5b977800$d3a9fea9@me> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24627097 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jay Rogers > To: > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 2:05 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Newspaper ad. What do you think? > > > > It's not your grandfather's AM radio.... On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, Scott Todd wrote: > Excellent- but there'll have to be some advertisement of AMS radios along > with it to hear those stations on, or else they'll think we're nuts. We are nuts! At least Jay's attempt might create some demand. It would be a start in making people understand that AMS actually exists. From rfinder@telusplanet.net Sat Feb 23 01:54:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rfinder@telusplanet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Feb 2002 09:54:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 78908 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2002 09:54:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2002 09:54:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.60) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2002 09:54:00 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.152] by n10.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2002 09:54:00 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 09:53:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: The future of AM. Sounding worse every day Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 921 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "i2thesky2001" X-Originating-IP: 142.59.49.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public One thing that completely bothers me about this one particular medium market AM station called CKDQ 910, Drumheller, Alberta. 1. Was AM Stereo from '84 - '92 2. Pretends that its a "big city" station, tries to serve Calgary when it originates from a town or 6000 people. 3. Calls it'self "CAT COUNTRY", a blatant rip-off of an established FM Station in Spokane, Wa. 4. And the biggest beef I have with the station is their horrible sound quality--a reflection of an "el cheapo" owner. The sound has that low baud rate "digital articling" quality of a 128 kbps streaming audio feed. It is absolutely disgusting to think that this station uses an unproven method of sending audio to thier towers, and that they think w'ere too deaf to hear the difference. Why would they stop so low? Are they trying to save money? I wonder if they are using a sattelite uplink, the towers are about 40 miles from the studios. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Feb 23 09:14:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Feb 2002 17:14:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 89779 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2002 17:14:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2002 17:14:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14204.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.146) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2002 17:14:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20020223171454.24100.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.162.18.173] by web14204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 09:14:54 PST Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 09:14:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: KAHN AMS was a pain, according to one engineer. To: Dennis AMstereo IAAAS List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I had conversation with a broadcast engineer who had Kahn and then C-Quam at his main AM station (until it was turned-off). He spoke on anonymimity about AMS; his comment was that Kahn cost him over $40K in test equipment to set it up, it kept drifting, and was not stable (required a lot of tinkering). Even though he had to turn-off the C-Quam, in his opinion it was the better of the two systems from an engineering maintenance and installation point of view. He felt that Leonard 'wrath of' Kahn overstated the technical specifications of his system as well. This caught me by surprise, as it seemed that some engineers have thought a combined Kahn/Harris/CQuam system would have been best. Another topic- IF for some unknown reason IBOC ever starts to happen on AM, is there any ANALOG AMS system that could still be used even if a station had to turn their CQuam off for the IBOC BS? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From raydtuner@yahoo.com Sat Feb 23 09:39:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: raydtuner@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Feb 2002 17:39:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 6507 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2002 17:39:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2002 17:39:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.59) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2002 17:39:01 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.177] by n9.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2002 17:39:01 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 17:38:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Chrysler Infinty I Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <011c01c1bc13$48b4e620$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 290 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "raydtuner" X-Originating-IP: 63.183.46.232 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92072182 X-Yahoo-Profile: raydtuner --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Scott Todd" wrote: > Most likely. > > ST > REPLY: Thanks.RAY>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: raydtuner > > > I own a '92 but with NO CD PLAYER. Does it have stereo? > > From MHAW2001@AOL.COM Sat Feb 23 10:10:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Mhaw2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Feb 2002 18:10:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 73540 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2002 18:10:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2002 18:10:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2002 18:10:53 -0000 Received: from Mhaw2001@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.190.2bad774 (4533) for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 13:10:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <190.2bad774.29a93527@aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 13:10:47 EST Subject: Pilot only stations? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows CA sub 12021 From: MHAW2001@AOL.COM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anybody have a list of stations using a pilot-only signal? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sat Feb 23 13:07:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Feb 2002 21:07:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 23398 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2002 21:07:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2002 21:07:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.65) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2002 21:07:23 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.154] by n15.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2002 21:06:37 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 21:07:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: KAHN AMS was a pain, according to one engineer. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020223171454.24100.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1642 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.191 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., Johnny Electron wrote: > I had conversation with a broadcast engineer who had Kahn and then > C-Quam at his main AM station (until it was turned-off). He spoke on > anonymimity about AMS; his comment was that Kahn cost him over $40K > in test equipment to set it up, it kept drifting, and was not stable > (required a lot of tinkering). Yea I can see that and I'm not too keen on his approach to ISB but I understand why he used linear PM like that of the Magnavox system. Through FFT it can be shown that for a non linear envelope compatible system the use of linear PM offers complete nulling of the 1st upper or lower sideband for the unmodulated channel at all levels of modulation. He added this 2nd harmonic processing scheme to improve seraration when unsing two radios. Another minus to his system was that for a stereo receiver the decoding was not the mathematical reversal of the encoding process. If there wasn't this envelope compatibility issue the best system wholud of been a linear ISB system genetated using a QUAM signal and audio phase shifting L-R, a method described in the ARRL Handbook and described as the phasing method. DSP can really simplify this approach nowdays for both transmittion and reception and would eliminate constant tweaking at the the transmittion site . Motorolas approach is definitely more straightforward and is definitely easier to empliment at the transmitter site. But the reason most engineers liked the Kahn system was for its reception quality when the system was tweaked especially under adverse conditions like skywave reception. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sat Feb 23 13:22:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Feb 2002 21:22:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 65954 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2002 21:22:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2002 21:22:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.85) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2002 21:22:49 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.180] by n35.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2002 21:22:49 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 21:22:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Pilot only stations? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <190.2bad774.29a93527@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 959 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.191 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., MHAW2001@A... wrote: > Does anybody have a list of stations using a pilot-only signal? > If there is a list I have two to add in my area. 980 KRTX, used to be a Harris system, has pilot but has almost no separation at all. 1010 KLAT, used to be a Kahn system has pilot but does have separation but in the form that one channel is considerably weaker and distorted that the other. They could be using their old AMS exciter for Powerside thiugh. There are no true AMS stations in my area and the closest one geographically is 1620 WTAW but is a 5KW which is weaker than 820 WBAP which is 250mi away. During skywave reception WBAP can come in pretty strong with good sounding stereo if they have separation in there programming like commercials and station IDs. This is a talk station though, and what a waste for an AMS exciter. I thing they have very clean signal though considering I mostly get them during skywave DXing. From 1377.3mp@start.com.au Sat Feb 23 14:30:36 2002 Return-Path: <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Sender: 1377.3mp@start.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Feb 2002 22:30:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 70865 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2002 22:30:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2002 22:30:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.56) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2002 22:30:33 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.132] by n6.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2002 22:30:32 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 22:30:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Australian stations ? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 386 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Originating-IP: 213.121.71.83 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69495942 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan I would be interested in hearing more of the Aussie AM stereo stations presently broadcasting. Perhaps some recs of DX accross Australia from Ian or David McKay (sorry not sure of spelling) or just samples of ID's etc they locally hear ? How about it guys ? I seem to remember 1 or 2 new stations down under were going to adopt AMS on startup also, what came of these I wonder ? From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Feb 23 16:26:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 24 Feb 2002 00:26:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 42987 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 00:26:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2002 00:26:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 00:26:35 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-96.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.96]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA21959 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 18:26:42 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <002b01c1bcca$063d9780$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Newspaper ad. What do you think? Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 18:27:19 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude But there needs to be something ready to meet that demand when it hits. If you're counting on that ad alone to create enough momentum in both size and duration to force the big radio manufacturers to making AMS radios, I believe you'll be disappointed. I'm just trying to be realistic, not burst anyone's bubble. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Davidson > > Excellent- but there'll have to be some advertisement of AMS radios along > > with it to hear those stations on, or else they'll think we're nuts. > > We are nuts! At least Jay's attempt might create some demand. It would > be a start in making people understand that AMS actually exists. From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Feb 23 16:32:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 24 Feb 2002 00:32:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 20067 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 00:32:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2002 00:32:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 00:32:00 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-96.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.96]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA22444 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 18:31:55 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <004501c1bcca$c58f40c0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020223171454.24100.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} KAHN AMS was a pain, according to one engineer. Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 18:32:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Kahn would work. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Johnny Electron > Another topic- IF for some unknown reason IBOC ever starts to happen > on AM, is there any ANALOG AMS system that could still be used even > if a station had to turn their CQuam off for the IBOC BS? From raydtuner@yahoo.com Sat Feb 23 16:42:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: raydtuner@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 24 Feb 2002 00:42:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 46057 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 00:42:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2002 00:42:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.56) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 00:42:23 -0000 Received: from [216.115.97.83] by n6.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2002 00:42:23 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 00:42:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Pilot only stations? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1192 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "raydtuner" X-Originating-IP: 63.183.47.206 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92072182 X-Yahoo-Profile: raydtuner --- In amstereoforum@y..., "jsgilst" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@y..., MHAW2001@A... wrote: > > Does anybody have a list of stations using a pilot-only signal? > > > > If there is a list I have two to add in my area. > > 980 KRTX, used to be a Harris system, has pilot but has > almost no separation at all. > > 1010 KLAT, used to be a Kahn system has pilot but does > have separation but in the form that one channel is > considerably weaker and distorted that the other. They > could be using their old AMS exciter for Powerside thiugh. > > There are no true AMS stations in my area and the closest > one geographically is 1620 WTAW but is a 5KW which is weaker > than 820 WBAP which is 250mi away. During skywave reception > WBAP can come in pretty strong with good sounding stereo if > they have separation in there programming like commercials and > station IDs. This is a talk station though, and what a waste > for an AMS exciter. I thing they have very clean signal though > considering I mostly get them during skywave DXing. REPLY: I have logged WBAP a couple times when skywave smiled at me here in Cleveland.RAY>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From dav259@minerals.csiro.au Sat Feb 23 17:34:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@minerals.csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 24 Feb 2002 01:34:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 25898 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 01:34:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2002 01:34:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 01:34:02 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04361 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 12:34:00 +1100 (EST) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 12:34:00 +1100 (EST) To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Australian stations ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24627097 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sat, 23 Feb 2002, amstereofan wrote: > I would be interested in hearing more of the Aussie AM stereo > stations presently broadcasting. Perhaps some recs of DX accross > Australia from Ian or David McKay (sorry not sure of spelling) or > just samples of ID's etc they locally hear ? How about it guys ? Yo Dave - you're first on the list to get a tape of 3MP's Jukebox Saturday Night when they resume stereo in five to seven weeks according to the CEO. Now I can't make MP3s - but some of you with tapes of Magic 693 should be able to do so. I'd love to hear some of their jingles on the web! > I seem to remember 1 or 2 new stations down under were going to adopt > AMS on startup also, what came of these I wonder ? The bigest hope is community station Switch 1197 in Brisbane - and much as they're making the right noises money seems to be the main problem - funny about that. But if the transmitter they buy has AMS capability I imagine it will be turned on and they may "milk" the stereo bit for all it's worth. From dav259@minerals.csiro.au Sat Feb 23 18:15:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@minerals.csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 24 Feb 2002 02:15:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 93451 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 02:15:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2002 02:15:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 02:15:23 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05789 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 13:15:21 +1100 (EST) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 13:15:21 +1100 (EST) To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Newspaper ad. What do you think? In-Reply-To: <002b01c1bcca$063d9780$d3a9fea9@me> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24627097 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sat, 23 Feb 2002, Scott Todd wrote: > But there needs to be something ready to meet that demand when it hits. If > you're counting on that ad alone to create enough momentum in both size and > duration to force the big radio manufacturers to making AMS radios, I > believe you'll be disappointed. I'm just trying to be realistic, not burst > anyone's bubble. You're probably right Scott but it's a chicken and egg situation here. Surely you don't expect the NAB (or our FARB) to come to a consensus to turn AMS on wherever possible. We need a breakthrough somewhere. We need to get people in one market talking about AMS and wanting AMS. Firstly we can point them to Chris who may be able to help some listeners. With a bit of publicity other stations in that market might turn their exciters back on so as not to be left behind. Then Sony (or whoever) may realise the error of its ways and start simply putting a different chip in their current models which would probably raise the retail price by 5% - if that. We've gotta start somewhere ... anywhere ... ( There's a place for us. (c) West Side Story, 1962, United Artists ) From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sat Feb 23 18:35:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 24 Feb 2002 02:35:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 35204 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 02:35:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2002 02:35:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.74) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 02:35:08 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.159] by n24.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2002 02:35:08 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 02:35:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Newspaper ad. What do you think? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 859 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.46 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., Ian Davidson wrote: > Then Sony (or whoever) may realise the error of its ways and > start simply putting a different chip in their current models which would > probably raise the retail price by 5% - if that. > I also think that Motorola had something to do with Sony being reluctant in importing AMS receivers after Motorola stopped a whole shipment at customs for adledged patent violations or so I've heard. It is manufacturers like Sony who can flood the market with small portables that are necessary to gain widesperad accaptance of AMS. Motorola kind of did themselves in on this one. They wanted only their chips used in any AMS radios sold in the USA. They didn't want any radios that decoded any of the other systems sold either which probably was their motive behind stopping Sony's 4-Way decoders. From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sat Feb 23 18:36:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 59083 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 02:36:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2002 02:36:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.62) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 02:36:39 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [216.115.96.34] by n12.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2002 02:36:38 -0000 Date: 24 Feb 2002 02:36:34 -0000 Message-ID: <1014518194.722376.41696.w13@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /AM Stereo.zip Uploaded by : matt_haw2000 Description : AM Stereo Station Database (Current/Former/Defunct) You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/AM%20Stereo.zip To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, matt_haw2000 From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sat Feb 23 18:46:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 24 Feb 2002 02:46:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 45454 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 02:46:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2002 02:46:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11706.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.72) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 02:46:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20020224024657.85570.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.80.144.26] by web11706.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 18:46:57 PST Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 18:46:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Newspaper ad. What do you think? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <006101c1bc0b$5b977800$d3a9fea9@me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I did write an ad for the SRF-42 when I was a sophomore in college. Maybe I still have it. 73, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Feb 23 19:41:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 24 Feb 2002 03:41:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 22315 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 03:41:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2002 03:41:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.77) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 03:41:18 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.139] by n27.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2002 03:41:18 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 03:41:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Please verify WJR (email if not) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020223041443.66860.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1404 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.26 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Out here in NJ, 760 WJR from Detroit was coming in loud and clear last night, and in FULL STEREO. I definitely heard Stereo separation in their hourly ID, which IDs them as an ABC owned station. And in the background on 760 kHz, I also heard "Radio Reloj" from Cuba with telephone-quality voices reading news in Spanish and a Morse Code ID at the top of every minute. This is one of the easiest formats to identify because of the Morse ID and I have heard it all over the AM band (Cuba has many transmitters all running the Radio Reloj format.) Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for Entercom to do something with WWKB 1520 AM Stereo from Buffalo, NY. Their current syndicated talk format is a huge waste of such a big 50,000-watt Class A signal. They might not want to go back to the country music format they had in the '90s but they should put SOME kind of music on WWKB. They were actually simulcasting a local FM music station for a while, but unfortunately that was in their mono days so we didn't get to hear it in Stereo. BTW, my first ever nighttime skywave listening of AM Stereo in 1995 was that of 1520 WWKB's "Real Country" format. And it sounded FABULOUS! They would boom in loud and clear every single night and the audio quality was absolutely incredible. 790 CIGM from Canada still has great country music in full AM Stereo but their signal isn't nearly as strong. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Feb 23 19:46:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 24 Feb 2002 03:46:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 73547 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 03:46:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2002 03:46:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.75) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 03:46:46 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.91] by n25.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2002 03:44:47 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 03:46:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: The future of AM. Sounding worse every day Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 613 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.26 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > 3. Calls it'self "CAT COUNTRY", a blatant rip-off of an established > FM Station in Spokane, Wa. There are "Cat Country" stations all across the USA, most of which are owned by Clear Channel. It is just behind "Froggy" as the second most popular on-air name for FM country music stations. The closest to me are "Cat Country 96" (96.1) WCTO from Allentown, PA and also "Cat Country 107.3" WPUR from Atlantic City, NJ, which in some areas can be received both at the same time! And then there is "Froggy 99.9" WWFG from Ocean City, MD as well as a couple other "Froggy" country stations in central PA. From n0uiheric@aol.com Sat Feb 23 20:26:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 24 Feb 2002 04:26:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 83956 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 04:26:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2002 04:26:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 04:26:27 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.122.ccc48c7 (4365) for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 23:26:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <122.ccc48c7.29a9c56f@aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 23:26:23 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The future of AM. Sounding worse every day To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 256 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For me, the nearest "Cat Country" is on 94.3, licensed to California, MO. Call letters are KATI, serving the Columbia/Jefferson City market. The station is owned by the Zimmer Radio Group of Cape Girardeau, MO. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://members.aol.com/n0uiheric/TurnOffClearChannel.html http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/turnoffclearchannel [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sat Feb 23 20:41:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 24 Feb 2002 04:41:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 12695 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 04:41:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2002 04:41:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.60) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 04:41:35 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.125] by n10.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2002 04:41:35 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 04:41:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1014518194.722376.41696.w13@yahoogroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 399 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.201 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., amstereoforum@y... wrote: > > Hello, > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/AM%20Stereo.zip > > matt_haw2000 570 KLIF in Dallas has been broadcasting in stereo lately. When I get a strong enough signal the pilot always comes on and there is separation whenever they deviate from their talk format i.e. commercials and station IDs. From dav259@minerals.csiro.au Sat Feb 23 22:57:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@minerals.csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 24 Feb 2002 06:57:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 83539 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 06:57:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2002 06:57:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 06:57:53 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15661 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 17:57:52 +1100 (EST) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 17:57:51 +1100 (EST) To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Jay's jottings ... In-Reply-To: <20020222190054.3165.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24627097 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, Jay Rogers wrote: > Put me on that list for the winkers/wankers. Maybe I > can finally get some answers out of WBZ. What is > taking so long? At least WKLN here in St. Augustine > has told me they are going to return to stereo > broadcasting soon. People could join more than one > subgroup. I still get the impression there are certainly enough people still in the radio industry who do really care. At least in Oz. But they're often not in the position where they can do anything about it. We must massage their egos - for all the right reasons - and for the good of radio as it is now. Peter Tarnawski - 3MP's station manager - made all the right noises when they were reduced to mono 15 months ago. I am convinced that he really wanted to be back in stereo ASAP. But they were owned by a couple of small regional stations that just didn't have enough funds to throw at it and all their other problems. They are still on their standby transmitter now. Jeff Chatfield - the recent CEO of 3AK / 3MP - initially wanted to make 3AK the first digital station in Oz. He wasn't a radio person and his company was more aimed at future IT breakthroughs. These "pie in the sky" ideas have been dropped as the reality of the bottom line has become evident. He now sees radio as the company's core business - and he seems willing to talk to us. He now is finally attempting to fix 3MP's transmission problems and for that we should be very grateful and give him the plaudits accordingly. Peter Iliff - the previous chief engineer at 3AW / Magic 693 - who got sick of me pestering him - but seemed pretty flattered when others bestowed him with praise. Gary Hoffman - current station manager at Magic 693 - who couldn't hit the google ng fast enough to admit his pride in the product that Magic turns out in stereo. He liked one of my messages of praise so much that he said he'd copied it to all their announcers for the good of station morale. The abovementioned four deserve praise for their efforts. We must always be there to praise these types accordingly - and nicely ask their contemporaries at other stations who do the wrong thing when they expect that it will be righted. Ian - Melbourne From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sun Feb 24 05:15:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 24 Feb 2002 13:15:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 75502 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 13:15:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2002 13:15:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.84) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 13:15:15 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.178] by n34.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2002 13:15:14 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 13:15:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Nighttime DXing Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 601 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.178 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst Here is a list of stations that I have picked up lately from SE Texas. Most of these are just for short periods and weak. 890 WLS 820 WBAP St 1170 KVOO St 850 KOA 1080 KRLD 770 KKOB 870 WWL 1130 KWKH 840 WHAS 1510 WLAC 1120 KMOX 1040 WHO 630 KHOW 650 WSM 810 WHB 580 WIBW 590 KLBJ 770 KAAM 570 KLIF St 1620 WTAW St 1110 KFAB 760 WJR St 1630 KCJJ St 1630 KKWY St? The last two I received around 6:30 this morning and tended to fade in and out against each other. Another former station to add to the list is Radio Disney 1590 KMIC it was a Kahn station when it was KYOK years ago. From raydtuner@yahoo.com Sun Feb 24 06:04:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: raydtuner@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 24 Feb 2002 14:04:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 33526 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 14:04:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2002 14:04:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.60) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 14:04:55 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.150] by n10.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2002 14:04:55 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 14:04:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Nighttime DXing Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 931 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "raydtuner" X-Originating-IP: 63.183.46.226 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92072182 X-Yahoo-Profile: raydtuner --- In amstereoforum@y..., "jsgilst" wrote: > Here is a list of stations that I have picked up > lately from SE Texas. Most of these are just for > short periods and weak. > > 890 WLS > 820 WBAP St > 1170 KVOO St > 850 KOA > 1080 KRLD > 770 KKOB > 870 WWL > 1130 KWKH > 840 WHAS > 1510 WLAC > 1120 KMOX > 1040 WHO > 630 KHOW > 650 WSM > 810 WHB > 580 WIBW > 590 KLBJ > 770 KAAM > 570 KLIF St > 1620 WTAW St > 1110 KFAB > 760 WJR St > 1630 KCJJ St > 1630 KKWY St? > > The last two I received around 6:30 this morning and tended > to fade in and out against each other. > > > Another former station to add to the list is Radio Disney > 1590 KMIC it was a Kahn station when it was KYOK years ago. REPLY: WWL 870 is incredible! I can tune them almost every night here in Cleveland! When I don't ,it's most likely local electrical interference.RAY>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From 1377.3mp@start.com.au Sun Feb 24 11:11:18 2002 Return-Path: <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Sender: 1377.3mp@start.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 24 Feb 2002 19:11:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 42130 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 19:11:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2002 19:11:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.51) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 19:11:16 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.158] by n1.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2002 19:11:16 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 19:11:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AMS stations streaming in stereo ? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 77 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Originating-IP: 213.121.68.25 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69495942 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Are there many / any ? Many seem to have closed down in the past year or 2 From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sun Feb 24 11:33:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 24 Feb 2002 19:32:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 65053 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 19:32:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2002 19:32:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.53) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 19:32:56 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.114] by n3.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2002 19:32:38 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 19:32:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AMS stations streaming in stereo ? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 674 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.130.9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "amstereofan" <1377.3mp@s...> wrote: > Are there many / any ? Many seem to have closed down in the past > year or 2 If your talking about streaming over the internet most of them have stopped pending a ruling regarding copywright issues. If only the people who listened to them on the internet lived within their coverage area it wouldn't be a problem but since the internet is worldwide the owners of copywrighted material and comercials want their cut for this increased coverage and the way it is going it will be done retroactively back to 97 or 98 so stations will be in for a really big bill for royalties when it is all said and done. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sun Feb 24 11:37:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 24 Feb 2002 19:37:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 3893 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 19:37:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2002 19:37:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.52) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 19:37:38 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.178] by n2.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2002 19:37:36 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 19:37:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Nighttime DXing Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 347 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.130.9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "raydtuner" wrote: > REPLY: WWL 870 is incredible! I can tune them almost every night here > in Cleveland! When I don't ,it's most likely local electrical > interference.RAY>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yea it's one of those class A BlowTorches like 820 WBAP and 1170 KVOO. From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Feb 24 11:57:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 24 Feb 2002 19:57:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 8204 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 19:57:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2002 19:57:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 19:57:50 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-132.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.132]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA20817 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 13:57:57 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001101c1bd6d$a6a1efc0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Newspaper ad. What do you think? Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 13:58:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude You're absolutely right on both counts, but I'm not out of ideas. What with our initially limited resources, I'd recommend finding a small market AMS station, and that way we can keep up with the demand and slowly build our resources to work our way up to the major leagues such as Detroit and Chicago. Somewhere along the way there might be at least one large manufacturer that will catch on and the rest will be history. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Davidson > You're probably right Scott but it's a chicken and egg situation here. > > Surely you don't expect the NAB (or our FARB) to come to a consensus to > turn AMS on wherever possible. From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Feb 24 12:14:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 24 Feb 2002 20:14:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 58373 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 20:14:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2002 20:14:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.8) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 20:14:03 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.21.1995d980 (3890) for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 15:13:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <21.1995d980.29aaa380@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 15:13:52 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Newspaper ad. What do you think? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih To adjust it to the area I'm in, here is how it will look: To tune in the technologically advanced sound of AM Stereo, tune to: KJSL AM 630 (Christian Talk and Music) KSTL AM 690 (Urban Gospel Music) KXEN AM 1010 (Contemporary Christian Music and Talk, nighttime only) WESL AM 1490 (R&B Oldies) In the Columbia/Jefferson City area, tune in to: KFAL AM 900 (Classic Country) In Kansas City, tune in to: WDAF AM 610 (Classic Country) KXTR AM 1660 (Classical music) In Chicago, tune in to: WGN Radio 720 WLS News/Talk 890 AM 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://members.aol.com/n0uiheric/TurnOffClearChannel.html http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/turnoffclearchannel From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Feb 24 14:17:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 24 Feb 2002 22:17:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 39717 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 22:17:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2002 22:17:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.83) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 22:17:29 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.112] by n33.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2002 22:17:29 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 22:17:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AMS stations streaming in stereo ? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 484 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.164 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Are there many / any ? Many seem to have closed down in the past > year or 2 WDHP 1620 AM Stereo from St. Croix, U.S. Virgin Islands in the Caribbean does: http://www.wrra.vi/wrra.ram They're currently simulasting the format of regular band station WRRA 1290 AM. Their stream is RealAudio 8.0 at 20 kbps Stereo "High Response" which gives a full AMAX 10 kHz frequency response with very good Stereo sound (although not all of WDHP's programming is produced in Stereo). From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Feb 24 14:25:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 24 Feb 2002 22:25:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 46375 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 22:25:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2002 22:25:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.60) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 22:25:27 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.32] by n10.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2002 22:25:27 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 22:25:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Newspaper ad. What do you think? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <21.1995d980.29aaa380@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 609 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.164 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > In Chicago, tune in to: > > WGN Radio 720 > WLS News/Talk 890 AM Don't forget 850 WAIT (Nostalgia music) and 1300 WRDZ (Radio Disney), both in fantastic full AM Stereo sound. WAIT even promotes their AM Stereo on the air, with liners like "Hear your favorite music, ALL IN STEREO here on 850 WAIT". Another good area in which to kick off an AM Stereo campaign is Denver, CO, largely thanks to all the Crawford stations in the area. Also Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX is very good with 570 KLIF (News/Talk), 620 KMKI (Radio Disney), 770 KAAM (Nostalgia), 820 WBAP (Full Service), and 1700 KTBK (Sports). From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Feb 24 14:55:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 24 Feb 2002 22:55:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 94328 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 22:55:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2002 22:55:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 22:55:21 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.183]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 17:50:31 -0500 Message-ID: <001101c1bd85$9598be80$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AMS stations streaming in stereo ? Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 17:49:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 My own opinion here- I think that "screaming" audio via a computer was a passing fad. I see no future in it at all. My experiences with it were dismal, plus how many people actually used it? The other problem at least at work, was that it was a bandwidth hog, and when anyone used it, it slowed down everything. (we are on a T1 line, but it still clogged everything) Our company outlawed streaming. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Feb 24 15:26:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 24 Feb 2002 23:26:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 93835 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 23:26:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2002 23:26:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 23:26:13 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.183]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 18:21:24 -0500 Message-ID: <006501c1bd89$e5874020$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: Subject: Fw: OK, here goes Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 18:20:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 This message will be redundant for some that are on both lists, but I want as many to see it as possible for feedback- Thanks, Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher Cuff To: > OK gang, I have been quiet long enuff- > Here are my thoughts and observations.. kind of a "state of the union" for > radio. > Radio is going down frightfully fast now.... far faster than I had thought > it would even a year ago. > We have no time to build radios to start with- we CAN, however, have > "conversion clinics"- Where we pick a station willing to give free air time > for the cause, and set up shop at a local Holiday Inn or wherever, and > advertise that fact. > A perfect liner, that the station would provide, would be : > "Did you know that your favorite country station WDAF, is broadcasting in AM > Stereo? Well, you now have the chance to have your favorite radio modified > to receive us they way we were meant to be heard - Hear what your missing!" > "There will be a non-profit radio conversion clinic, at the "east side > holiday inn" on Saturday, May *** - so just drop in, and say you wanna hear > WDAF in STEREO!" > It is done while you wait > This is just an idea. The other thing is to "pre release" a non-existant (at > this time) radio on speculation- > The important thing to realize, is that no one has the money to throw away > on a project that will never work. I learned from my past mistakes, and from > here on out, will tread very cautiously. > We MUST get the cooperation from some other stations- not just KCJJ. We need > allies. > It's gonna be a rough road, but my fat ass will take the bumps... :-) > CC > > From drtillmancg10@webtv.net Sun Feb 24 15:56:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: drtillmancg10@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 24 Feb 2002 23:56:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 9440 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 23:56:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2002 23:56:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net) (209.240.198.118) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 23:56:18 -0000 Received: from storefull-2313.public.lawson.webtv.net (storefull-2313.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.212.221]) by mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id CFC341882; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 15:56:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-2313.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id PAA01438; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 15:56:17 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQf2XndHKWJhIuBuS1V1r/BvQ9W0QIVAJA1gdUL4/KAsauD+1JmesV5vopl Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 18:56:17 -0500 (EST) To: amstereo@nrcdxas.org Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: audio streaming Message-ID: <11303-3C797DA1-882@storefull-2313.public.lawson.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-From: drtillmancg10@webtv.net (Donn Tillman) From: drtillmancg10@webtv.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Chris Cuff wrote: >My own opinion here- I think that "screaming" audio via a computer was a passing fad. I see no future in it at all. >My experiences with it were dismal, plus how many people actually=A0 used it? >The other problem at least at work, was that it was a bandwidth hog, and when anyone used it, it slowed down everything. (we are on a T1 line, but it still clogged everything) >Our company outlawed streaming. CC ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Portability is another drawback to streaming as opposed to listening to the radio; even though some computers are now "wirless", even that is limited to a hundred feet or so; you can't take audio streaming in the shower, to the beach, down the street or on a bike or auto ride. donn st petersburg From dav259@minerals.csiro.au Sun Feb 24 16:40:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@minerals.csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 25 Feb 2002 00:40:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 80990 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 00:39:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2002 00:39:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 00:39:55 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23498; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:39:52 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:39:52 +1100 (EST) To: Cc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} audio streaming In-Reply-To: <11303-3C797DA1-882@storefull-2313.public.lawson.webtv.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24627097 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sun, 24 Feb 2002, Christopher Cuff wrote: > My own opinion here- I think that "screaming" audio via a computer > was a passing fad. On Sun, 24 Feb 2002 Donn Tillman wrote: > Portability is another drawback to streaming as opposed to listening to > the radio ... Given the limitations I think audio streaming is a fad that hopefully doesn't pass. The quality will never be what we can reproduce on a decent radio but I reckon it's great to be able to log into local radio stations all over the world and get a feel for the place involved. I'm amazed how many overseas people listen to 3AK on the net - as they're allowed to ring the stations talkback line reverse charges. It's how the "Gabbie Cabbie" from NYC initially got his regular US gossip spot - whether they pay him now I don't know - I expect he still does it simply for the free call. Anyone wanting to be heard on Melbourne radio just ring 61 3 96 87 11 16. From smpoole7@bellsouth.net Sun Feb 24 18:20:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: smpoole7@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 25 Feb 2002 02:20:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 67554 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 02:20:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2002 02:20:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.72) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 02:20:30 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.181] by n22.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2002 02:20:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 02:20:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 850 KOA Denver Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 593 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "professorpoole" X-Originating-IP: 216.76.201.89 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25309165 X-Yahoo-Profile: professorpoole > --- In amstereoforum@y..., n0uiheric@a... wrote: > > It may be WYDE's stereo pilot tripping the light on 850. Hmmm ... I'm a better engineer than I thought, if I can make our nighttime signal (1000 watts) go that far north ... especially considering that it's on the back side of the pattern! :) We *are* in stereo on WYDE, but when I was in Denver a few months ago, KOA did NOT appear to be. You're right, they are a unit of Clear Channel, too, and CC as a rule doesn't run stereo. Next time I talk to Cris Alexander (our corporate engineering offices are in Denver), I'll ask him. From smpoole7@bellsouth.net Sun Feb 24 18:33:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: smpoole7@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 25 Feb 2002 02:33:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 66792 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 02:33:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2002 02:33:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.52) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 02:33:00 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.151] by n2.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2002 02:33:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 02:32:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Clear Channel bashing Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 499 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "professorpoole" X-Originating-IP: 216.76.201.89 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25309165 X-Yahoo-Profile: professorpoole --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: *snip* Well said. That kind of stuff places me in a difficult position, too, because I have colleagues at Clear Channel. If it had continued, I was going to have to stop posting here. Like you said, there are people at CC who are working for AM stereo. I don't work for CC and I certainly don't agree with everything they do, but I do want to maintain a good working relationship with their engineering types, if nothing else. From smpoole7@bellsouth.net Sun Feb 24 18:57:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: smpoole7@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 25 Feb 2002 02:57:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 58804 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 02:57:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2002 02:57:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.63) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 02:57:06 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.173] by n13.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2002 02:38:01 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 02:57:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Former Motorola Employee Comments... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1762 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "professorpoole" X-Originating-IP: 216.76.201.89 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25309165 X-Yahoo-Profile: professorpoole You're bringing back memories. I had a number of pleasant conversations with Leonard way back when, and I actively lobbied for his stereo system in the early 80's. At the time, it seemed like most engineer-types favored Kahn, while most programming and sales types preferred Motorola. Of course, that's all ancient history now; Motorola CQUAM is the standard, and I think we should do everything in our power to promote it. On the platform motion thing: I say it doesn't matter. It's irrelevant. Unless you are offering special, can't-get-nowhere-else programming (such as an exclusive on a fight or ballgame), people aren't going to tune in to your scratchy signal in the fringes, anyway. Our goal is to put a strong signal in the primary sales area; anything else is just gravy. Rather than trying to make a 1,000 watt station on 1400khz go 35 miles, I'd say focus the effort on the city of license and environs -- even to the point of going directional, though that's certainly expensive, probably out of reach for many struggling AMs. I've said for years that AM's real problem isn't other AM stations, it's computers, power lines, noisy ignition systems in cars and a dozen other sources of interference, mostly man-made. Slam the hottest signal you can into the downtown business district, and you're halfway there. When viewed in that light, stereo -- ANY AM stereo system -- is all plus and no minus; it can only help, not hurt. Lots of rich folks driving Chryslers and other nice cars with AM stereo radios in 'em. Just my opinion, of course ... :) (Casting no aspersions on DX'ers, either. If any of youse guys pick up one my stations, send your recep report to "Stephen Poole" and I'll see to it that you get a reply![g]) From rfinder@telusplanet.net Sun Feb 24 20:28:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rfinder@telusplanet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 25 Feb 2002 04:27:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 52073 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 04:27:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2002 04:27:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.73) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 04:27:59 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.34] by n23.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2002 04:27:59 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 04:27:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Nighttime DXing Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 603 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "i2thesky2001" X-Originating-IP: 142.59.49.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Up here at 114' north and 51' west these stations usually DX good on a consistent basis 560 KMON Great Falls 610 KOJM Havre, Montanna 690 CBU Vancouver 700 WLW Cincinatti 710 KIRO Seatle 730 CKDM Dauphin, Manitoba 800 CHAB Moose Jaw, Sask 850 KOA Denver 880 KVRN Lexington 940 CJGX Yorkton, Sask 990 CBW Winnipeg 1000 KOMO Seatle 1030 KTWO Casper 1090 KYCW Seatle 1100 KFAX Sacremento 1110 KFAB Omaha 1160 KSL Salt Lake City 1180 KOFI Kalispell 1190 KEX Portland 1320 CHMB Vancouver 1410 CFUN Vancouver 1470 CJVB Vancouver 1500 KSTP St. Paul 1510 KGA Spokane 1530 KFBK Sacramento 1540 KXEL Waterloo From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sun Feb 24 23:42:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 25 Feb 2002 07:42:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 23229 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 07:42:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2002 07:42:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.65) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 07:42:05 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.179] by n15.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2002 07:41:18 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 07:42:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fw: OK, here goes Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006501c1bd89$e5874020$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3540 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.28 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Christopher Cuff" wrote: > This message will be redundant for some that are on both lists, but I want > as many to see it as possible for feedback- > Thanks, > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Christopher Cuff > To: > > > OK gang, I have been quiet long enuff- > > Here are my thoughts and observations.. kind of a "state of the union" for > > radio. Yea the Holiday Inn Idea sounds neat but also what about having it at a hamfest if one so happens to to be in a city where a participating radio station is. Kind of a synergy sort of thing. As far as conversions go, as you know not all radios convert very easy or not at all. For instance some receivers, like a Pioneer I did, send the AM output into a single pin on the FM Stereo decoder chip and is output through the L & R Channels where the 75 us de-emphasis is done, different from the NRSC de-emphasis. This would need an extra circuit with a quad CMOS switch to do the switching. Also if you want to use the same stereo light that FM uses it would be difficult to impossible to do on these new DTRs with a composite florescent display. However these radios do produce the best sound since their LO is crystal controlled and their RF and LO track very accurately since they use matched varactors. The minimum requirements for a decoder would be a wider IF filter with 10 KHz notch filters. You had mentioned a 3 & 8 KHz for a dual setup earlier and I can see that in congested areas like the NE as this is the best fit, but in other areas that are less dense I suggest using a 10 KHz one since 10.2 KHz is the highest mod. freq. This will help improve separation and response in the high end and help reduce ringing and a 4.5 KHz one for narrow as you can still get some more useful separation out of it compared th a 3 KHz one. This dual seup would require a switch to install, maybe a complication not worth bothering within a conversion clinic. A 6 KHz with a gradual slope would be a good compromise along with little or no de-emphasis. I stress IF filters because my first experience was with a stock filter that was too narrow and made stereo decoding a moot issue. What we really need is a filter that has a combined response with the RF that follows the NRSC de-emphasis, only in my dreams though ;-). These decoders need to have good enough fidelity that make AMS attractive. Also picking stations that have a music format that lends itself to this restricted bandwidth like oldies and nostalgia stuff. Big band sounds excelent if you have a receiver that has a wide bandwidth. These stations have to offer programming that can't get on FM like an interactive radio staff that plays lots of requests and things like that. When you say non-profit I assume that the customer will pay enough to break even the costs of food, travel, lodging, decoder cost, and some compensation for those doing the conversions so their time won't be a complete loss. Like you say if it goes good enough and a fair number of radios are done in each area that improves a stations listener base and ad revenue than future workshops could be partially sponsered by participating stations if we were able to show the results of previous workshops in the for of improving their bottom line. Even if this does take off and the big guys get in on the act there is still going to be people that have new enough receivers that want AMS but don't want to junk them and buy an AMS equipped one. JSG From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Feb 25 00:49:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 25 Feb 2002 08:49:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 81687 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 08:49:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2002 08:49:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 08:49:44 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.42]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 03:44:57 -0500 Message-ID: <000701c1bdd8$9eab5a20$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Fw: OK, here goes Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 03:44:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Good points- I will address a few now. As far as filters and switches, for the most part, they are not needed. I have reached the point after converting hundreds of radios to AM stereo that I now know the idiosyncrasies of all the basic circuits. The output of the decoder sits in parallel with the output of the FMS decoder with no problems at all. I simply pad down the decoders output to co-exist peacefully with the current circuit. I have also used a simple digital switching circuit using 1 transistor to mute the mono AM audio when the pilot comes on. I have also found ways (easy ways) to switch the decoder off while in FM. If the current filter in the radio is too narrow, a simple selected cap across the filter works wonders. The idea is to keep it simple, yet still have good sound. Now- one bad thing: Some radios are using audio processing chips that are actually ANTI am stereo- notably Kenwood. You have NO access to the audio input of the DSP IC except via the microprocessor. No way around this one except a completely separate amp for the AM side- not practical. Now the Delphi/Delco with the Philips chipset CAN take a decoder nicely. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: jsgilst From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Feb 25 01:27:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 25 Feb 2002 09:27:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 56124 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 09:27:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2002 09:27:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 09:27:13 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.42]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 04:22:25 -0500 Message-ID: <007001c1bddd$db120d60$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: Cc: , , "Dominick Senna" , References: Subject: The spark is there! Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 04:21:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 My faith is renewed! this morning, my mailbox is over flowing with people asking about AM Stereo decoders. I listed a DX398 with AMS on ebay, and after 1 day, it reached it's reserve, and many want to know how they can do it to theirs. The idea of a hamfet conversion clinic is good. Best places are of course areas that already hve ams available- Philly, KC, etc- I think KC would be cool. I want Entercom in our corner, as well as Crawford. I "think" I can also worm my way into Aurora (WICC) but they HATE am stereo- but they are also #1 in their market, so have wisely decided not to F with success. I do know one person at WICC with clout.... gotta see what transpires. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: jsgilst To: Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 2:42 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Fw: OK, here goes > > > OK gang, I have been quiet long enuff- > > > Here are my thoughts and observations.. kind of a "state of the > union" for > > > radio. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Mon Feb 25 01:52:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 25 Feb 2002 09:52:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 65960 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 09:52:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2002 09:52:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.56) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 09:52:49 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.128] by n6.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2002 09:52:49 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:52:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Fw: OK, here goes Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000701c1bdd8$9eab5a20$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1398 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.28 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Christopher Cuff" wrote: > Good points- I will address a few now. > As far as filters and switches, for the most part, they are not needed. Do you use notch filters to suppress the 10KHz whistle? My experience has been that when you use a moderately wide filter like a 7.5 KHz that does suppress the adjacent carrier by a fair amount does not do enough to eliminate it. Good listening can still be obtained with this filter during moderate interference if you have notch filters. > If the current filter in the radio is too narrow, a simple selected cap > across the filter works wonders. What kind of precentage of gain in bandwidth do you get with this method? C-QuAM also requires IF filters that have a flat group delay time (Gaussian) to minmize distortion. How does this method affect this? > Now- one bad thing: Some radios are using audio processing chips that are > actually ANTI am stereo- notably Kenwood. You have NO access to the audio My conversion of my Pioneer was a pain but also I interfaced with the stereo light in the florescent display and interfaced with the mono/stereo button for FM to use the forced mono feature on the chip. Definitely overkill if I was doing it to somebody elses radio. I'd have to charge an amy and a leg for this. I had to obtain the schematic for the receiver to add these extra features. JSG From jsgil@hal-pc.org Mon Feb 25 02:03:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 25 Feb 2002 10:03:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 97499 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 10:03:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2002 10:03:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.65) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 10:03:22 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.146] by n15.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2002 10:02:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:03:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Former Motorola Employee Comments & CC Bashing Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3787 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.28 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "professorpoole" wrote: > You're bringing back memories. > > At the time, it seemed like most engineer-types favored Kahn Yes I agree, a frequency separated system has better integrety during skywave reception. The only reason I bring this up is there are no AMS stations in my area. The best AMS signal I get is 250mi away and I have to deal with platform motion and selective fading on a regular basis when I DX. There is a station in my area that would be perfect for AMS with an adult standards / big band format. It used to be a Kahn station when it was 790 KKBQ. I was later sold to CC and is now 790 KBME. We used to have an FM station that ran that format but got bumped for a more "profitable" format. > Like you said, there are people at CC who are working for > AM stereo. On the positive side for those AMS supporters at CC if they have any pull on getting a station converted to AMS more power to them. I'd like to see 790 KBME in my area broadcasting in AMS. CC is big enough that bashing them could probably work against us in the long run, rather getting the demand up for AMS to the point that it will improve their bottom line will be the motivating factor. > On the platform motion thing: I say it doesn't matter. > It's irrelevant. I also see sideband processing as a dual purpose. Even when I am not DXing for stereo there are times that I am trying to get a DX signal when a local adjacent one is strong enough to make this difficult if not impossible. Having LSB & USB capability along with ISB can really improve DXing under those conditions. > Of course, that's all ancient history now; Motorola CQUAM is > the standard, and I think we should do everything in our power > to promote it. Just a tech note. Using a signal processer preceeding the exciter, like where an Amigo AM would go, it is possible to generate a ISB signal with a C-QuAM exciter if you audio phase shift L-R by +90 deg. Whether this would pass the muster of the FCC is another story. From what I've heard there is a fair amount of leeway on what you can do to the signal preceeding the exciter. Consider compression, some stations sound like they have compressed the signal 3:1 and some of these matrix processors actively change the gain relation between L+R and L-R. Whether phase shifting of this type is alowed or not I don't know. You would still be broadcasting in C-QuAM, multiplying the signal by the cosine of the angular modulation. C-QuAM Receivers would correcty remove the distortion but they would also need an audio phase shift network to reassemble the sidebands. This would bring and added improvement for C-QuAM during transmittion as it helps to overcome some of the negative modulation problems associated with heavy single channel modulation. In reception less strain is placed on cosine correction especially during marginal conditions. I bring this up because if it ever were to be considered, now would be the time to make the change during this null in AMS. I've brought this subject up before but usually have got negative feedback from the less technical ones in this forum. I've read a few posts from the news archives that have touched on this that were in a positive light but didn't go into detail. In the "ancient history" has anyone of the engineering breed tossed this idea around and considered it and its technical merits? With DSP this is simple to impliment both in transmittion and reception. > (Casting no aspersions on DX'ers, either. If any of youse guys pick > up one my stations, send your recep report to "Stephen Poole" and > I'll see to it that you get a reply![g]) Give us a list of your stations so we'll know when we pick them up and where to reply to. JSG From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Feb 25 02:05:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 25 Feb 2002 10:05:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 158 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 10:05:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2002 10:05:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 10:05:05 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.42]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 05:00:18 -0500 Message-ID: <00a301c1bde3$2583b920$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Fw: OK, here goes Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 04:59:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I have had no problems with distortion at all. Now, you know a lot more than I do about filters, but like the bumble bee, who by the laws of of physics is not supposed to be able to fly, still does, so do I, in a way. I DO have a good ear, and have converted a lot of radios for a lot of fussy people, with no complaints. I would GUESS that my conversions end up being in the 6Khz range. I have no problems with whistle. Filter bypass is a matter of "how much do you want?"- a few picofarads can brighten up the sound nicely- but I have gone as high as 220pf in some cases. Also depends on the location of the station, "neighbors" on the band, etc. I actually REMOVED filters entirely in some cases for stations that wanted to sound great at their offices ----- Original Message ----- From: jsgilst To: Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 4:52 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Fw: OK, here goes From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Feb 25 02:07:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 25 Feb 2002 10:07:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 98894 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 10:07:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2002 10:07:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 10:07:44 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.42]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 05:02:57 -0500 Message-ID: <00ab01c1bde3$84a646c0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Former Motorola Employee Comments & CC Bashing Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 05:02:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I have provided a LOT of converted Bose Wave radios to CC's KABL- Believe me, if they turned off the stereo, there would be a howl! CC ----- Original Message ----- From: jsgilst To: Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 5:03 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Former Motorola Employee Comments & CC Bashing From jsgil@hal-pc.org Mon Feb 25 02:28:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 25 Feb 2002 10:28:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 35688 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 10:28:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2002 10:28:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.54) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 10:28:20 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.175] by n4.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2002 10:28:20 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:28:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Fw: OK, here goes Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00a301c1bde3$2583b920$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1017 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.28 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Christopher Cuff" wrote: > I have had no problems with distortion at all. Now, you know a lot more than > I do about filters, but like the bumble bee, who by the laws of of physics > is not supposed to be able to fly, still does, so do I, in a way. > I DO have a good ear, and have converted a lot of radios for a lot of fussy > people, with no complaints. Yea thats what I think too. Motorola made a big deal about it for "proper" decoding. I think it holds about as much weight as you must provide "cosine correction" for proper decoding also. I have a good ear also and their isn't much diffetence between QuAM and C-QuAM decoding when receiving a C-QuAM signal. I mostly use QuAM synchronous detection over C-QuAM especially at night. Sony proved this with their early radios and Sansui also. It is technically beneficial when you use these filters and would be noticed on separation issuse with test tones but this is not apearent in the normal field use. JSG From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Feb 25 05:59:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 25 Feb 2002 13:59:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 41095 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 13:59:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2002 13:59:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14205.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.151) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 13:59:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20020225135934.10013.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 05:59:34 PST Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 05:59:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: Response as to why AMS was turned-off To: Dennis AMstereo IAAAS List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio In response to: "Why did the engineer have to shut off the C-QUAM in the first place? --tony s. " - The usual reason: this un-named engineer at an un-named station was 'instructed' to turn-off the station's AM Stereo after 13 years of stereocasting. I won't name their parent company, but it rhymes with: J*cor / Cle*r Ch*nnel. Thier music went, now mostly news/blab/talk, and with their 'benefit' of less computer usuage for mono over stereo audio. Stereo equipment including STL is still there though so that when I win the Lottery I can have it turned back on (chuckle, chuckle). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From smpoole7@bellsouth.net Mon Feb 25 06:07:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: smpoole7@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 25 Feb 2002 14:07:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 41085 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 14:07:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2002 14:07:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.65) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 14:07:32 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.163] by n15.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2002 14:06:41 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 14:07:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Former Motorola Employee Comments & CC Bashing Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1271 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "professorpoole" X-Originating-IP: 209.214.107.154 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25309165 X-Yahoo-Profile: professorpoole > Yes I agree, a frequency separated system has better integrety > during skywave reception. The only reason I bring this up is > there are no AMS stations in my area. The best AMS signal I get > is 250mi away and I have to deal with platform motion and > selective fading on a regular basis when I DX. That's sad ... and I should've been clearer. I said that I "cast no aspersions" on you guys, and I don't. DX'ing is fun, and I love getting reports (the calls are WYDE and WLGS in Birmingham, by the way -- though you'll probably have trouble getting them at night). But the hard economic reality is that DX'ers don't impress advertisers. Putting a strong, good-sounding signal into the metro area impresses advertisers. Many of our advertisers have cars with AM stereo radios; we instantly stand out on the dial. (Don't tell our competition.[g]) Therefore, our point of view is that platform motion just isn't a factor. We'd rather be stereo. Lest you think I'm disagreeing with you in point, I proposed a single-sideband system several years ago, too. But now that I've been exposed to stereo, I'm sold on it. If given a choice between sideband mono and CQUAM stereo, I'll take the stereo. It sounds better. But again: that's just my opinion. :) From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Feb 25 11:35:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 25 Feb 2002 19:35:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 60159 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 19:35:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2002 19:35:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14206.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.70) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 19:35:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20020225193529.62790.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:35:29 PST Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:35:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: Better Audio Response? To: Dennis AMstereo IAAAS List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Question: what provides better audio: the Sony chipset in the MetroSound, or the CCuff MC13028 board? What I’m wondering is if you put Chris’ MC13028 board “in the middle” of the MetroSound, would it improve the audio even more? I know that there would be less distortion, but would you still have the same audio frequency response and stereo separation? Which would be better? Who has the scope? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Feb 25 12:12:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 25 Feb 2002 20:12:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 63332 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 20:12:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2002 20:12:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14205.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.151) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 20:12:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20020225201228.1160.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:12:28 PST Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:12:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: Help - Audio Processing Question To: Dennis AMstereo IAAAS List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Do you have to have an AM Stereo audio processor to go from a stereo board to AMS? Let's say you have a station that simulcasts on both AM Mono and FM Stereo, so the existing 'board' is stereo. What do I have to get for the station to put them into AM Stereo mode? I know that they'll need an AMS exciter with a crystal for their AM broadcast frequency, but do they have to have an audio processor added in addition to the exicter? Do you have to have a "L-R" signal for the exciter, or just a discrete L and a discrete R ? If there is an L-R out of the FM processor, is it suitable enough to drive the AMS exciter if needed? Also, what's my chances of 'blowing-up' their old AM transmitter by removing the crystal and plugging-in the AMS exciter? Johnny. PS: Thanks Scott Todd and Bob Carter in advance! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Feb 25 13:07:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 25 Feb 2002 21:07:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 66223 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 21:07:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2002 21:07:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 21:07:45 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.26]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 16:02:38 -0500 Message-ID: <003801c1be3f$ab33cb80$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <20020225193529.62790.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Better Audio Response? Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 16:01:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Well, the frequency response is a product of the IF filter, and the IF filter in the Mtrosounds is wide, so it "should" sound the same. I do not add anything to filter the decoder's output, either.... should try one I guess! CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Johnny Electron To: Dennis AMstereo IAAAS List Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 2:35 PM Subject: {AMSF} Better Audio Response? > Question: what provides better audio: the Sony chipset in the > MetroSound, or the CCuff MC13028 board? From KC4QLP@aol.com Mon Feb 25 14:20:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 25 Feb 2002 22:20:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 5601 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 22:20:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2002 22:20:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.5) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 22:20:48 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.113.d29323b (3973) for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:20:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <113.d29323b.29ac12b1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:20:33 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Clear Channel bashing To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 2/24/02 9:36:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, smpoole7@bellsouth.net writes: << Well said. That kind of stuff places me in a difficult position, too, because I have colleagues at Clear Channel. If it had continued, I was going to have to stop posting here. Like you said, there are people at CC who are working for AM stereo. I don't work for CC and I certainly don't agree with everything they do, but I do want to maintain a good working relationship with their engineering types, if nothing else. >> Same here. Besides ...the bashing would only kill any sort of relationship that could possibly develope with Clear Channel {hey miracles still happen}and not to mention....remember folks..these forums are viewable by anyone on the net.That sort of talk could set back the cause that we have for AM Stereo and if someone got tired enough of the bashing ,now only guessing here...someone could get sued for slandous remarks. Our purpose on ALL of the am stereo forums online is to educate,promote and help others when it comes to AM Stereo. Bashing only takes up bandwidth and exercises my delete key. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003801c1be3f$ab33cb80$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3040 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.47 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Well, the frequency response is a product of the IF filter, and the > IF filter in the Mtrosounds is wide, so it "should" sound the same. > I do not add anything to filter the decoder's output, either.... > should try one I guess! I've added an MC13028 decoder to a MetroSound and the frequency response was pretty much the same. The MC13028 does provide wider stereo separation with lower distortion, but the MetroSound's built-in decoder is already good. Even though it uses the same decoder chip as the Sony multi-system radio, for some reason it sounds better, with better bass response and lower distortion. On other radios there is sometimes additional audio filtering after the initial IF filtering which can affect audio response. In that case adding any kind of AM Stereo decoder bypasses this extra filtering and provides better sound. For example I have a $99 Sharp 3-CD bookshelf stereo system and by itself the AM audio response drops like a cliff after 3 kHz. But after adding a Stereo decoder I found out that is this is all done by audio filtering; the IF filter itself has much wider response. With the Stereo decoder and a little treble boost, it has audio response on AM that is flat to nearly 15 kHz! As far as IF filters go, I don't really like the sound of ceramic IF filters, because they can get rather "ringy". This is because they are absolutely flat in response to a certain point, like 6 kHz, and then drop off sharply above that. With the pre-emphasis curve that AM stations use, this results in an over-boosted mid-range (3 to 6 kHz) and dull treble (6 to 10 kHz). If you increase the treble knob to bring up the highs, that also boosts the mid-range even more, leading to a "ringy" or "brassy" sound, reminiscent of a cheap record player with a ceramic cartridge (which have a large boost of the mid-range because they don't follow the RIAA de-emphasis curve very well). In this case the Sony SRF-42 is one exception because although it uses a 6 kHz IF filter, it uses special audio filtering to match the NRSC pre-emphasis curve (as required by the AMAX standard) without being too "ringy". I prefer radios which use the natural response of the IF coils to achieve the selectivity (without any ceramic filters), such as just about any AM radio made prior to the early 1980s, or the current Philips-Magnavox radios. This leads to a very gradual drop-off of response which better follows the NRSC pre-emphasis curve. Actually in this case a 4.5 kHz ceramic filter with a gradual drop-off (such as what the Realistic TM-152 uses) also provides this. At first it sounds dull but you can bring up the treble without having the mid-range too over-boosted. In fact the TM-152 can have response that is flat to at least 12 kHz if you tweak it with a graphic equalizer a little bit (not bad for a "4.5 kHz" filter!). The only downside is that the TM-152 doesn't have any 10 kHz notch filter so the the intercarrier whistle can be rather annoying at night. From raydtuner@yahoo.com Mon Feb 25 14:43:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: raydtuner@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 25 Feb 2002 22:43:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 39005 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 22:43:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2002 22:43:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.62) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 22:43:44 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.115] by n12.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2002 22:43:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 22:43:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Nighttime DXing Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 903 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "raydtuner" X-Originating-IP: 63.183.47.181 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92072182 X-Yahoo-Profile: raydtuner --- In amstereoforum@y..., "i2thesky2001" wrote: > Up here at 114' north and 51' west these stations usually DX good on a > consistent basis > > 560 KMON Great Falls > 610 KOJM Havre, Montanna > 690 CBU Vancouver > 700 WLW Cincinatti > 710 KIRO Seatle > 730 CKDM Dauphin, Manitoba > 800 CHAB Moose Jaw, Sask > 850 KOA Denver > 880 KVRN Lexington > 940 CJGX Yorkton, Sask > 990 CBW Winnipeg > 1000 KOMO Seatle > 1030 KTWO Casper > 1090 KYCW Seatle > 1100 KFAX Sacremento > 1110 KFAB Omaha > 1160 KSL Salt Lake City > 1180 KOFI Kalispell > 1190 KEX Portland > 1320 CHMB Vancouver > 1410 CFUN Vancouver > 1470 CJVB Vancouver > 1500 KSTP St. Paul > 1510 KGA Spokane > 1530 KFBK Sacramento > 1540 KXEL Waterloo REPLY: I tune KXEL and, believe it or not, CKDM on occasion here in Cleveland. (Don't know my coordinates!) RAY>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From raydtuner@yahoo.com Mon Feb 25 14:45:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: raydtuner@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 25 Feb 2002 22:45:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 1367 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 22:45:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2002 22:45:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.60) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 22:45:48 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.24] by n10.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2002 22:45:46 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 22:45:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: The spark is there! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007001c1bddd$db120d60$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1156 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "raydtuner" X-Originating-IP: 63.183.47.181 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92072182 X-Yahoo-Profile: raydtuner --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Christopher Cuff" wrote: > My faith is renewed! this morning, my mailbox is over flowing with people > asking about AM Stereo decoders. > I listed a DX398 with AMS on ebay, and after 1 day, it reached it's reserve, > and many want to know how they can do it to theirs. > The idea of a hamfet conversion clinic is good. Best places are of course > areas that already hve ams available- Philly, KC, etc- I think KC would be > cool. I want Entercom in our corner, as well as Crawford. > I "think" I can also worm my way into Aurora (WICC) but they HATE am stereo- > but they are also #1 in their market, so have wisely decided not to F with > success. > I do know one person at WICC with clout.... gotta see what transpires. > CC > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jsgilst > To: > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 2:42 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Fw: OK, here goes > > > > > > OK gang, I have been quiet long enuff- > > > > Here are my thoughts and observations.. kind of a "state of the > > union" for > > > > radio. REPLY: Do all dx-398's have AMS? RAY>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Feb 25 16:14:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 26 Feb 2002 00:14:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 50328 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2002 00:14:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2002 00:14:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2002 00:14:45 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.55]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 19:10:00 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01c1be59$d75abf60$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The spark is there! Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 19:09:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Re the DX398- NONE of them ever had am stereo- it is a feature I added. It is a tight fit, but it works well. My little decoder board "just" fits inside.. not a lot of room in there! CC ----- Original Message ----- From: raydtuner From KC4QLP@aol.com Mon Feb 25 17:35:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 26 Feb 2002 01:35:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 46029 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2002 01:35:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2002 01:35:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m10.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.165) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2002 01:35:19 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.11b.c4de000 (3973) for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 20:35:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <11b.c4de000.29ac4045@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 20:35:01 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Help - Audio Processing Question To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 2/25/02 3:14:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, toledohamradio@yahoo.com writes: << Do you have to have an AM Stereo audio processor to go from a stereo board to AMS? >> That would be the prefered method....to have a processor designed for AM Stereo. <> All you have to do is be sure that the audio feed for the AM station is a stereo feed just like the FM. After making sure and or installing a stereo pair for the AM,run that into the AM stereo processor. <> Yes! you'll need that processor for the AM. In a generic way of explaining the audio hook up. ...your discrete L and R are connected to the AM processors just like the FM setup...and the discrete L and R from the output of the processor go to the exciter. You'll also have your "normal" mono audio feed going directly to the transmitter just as it connected right now. My opinion...I would stay away from the FM processors for the AM application.They could be used in a pinch..but you'll want to do this the right way from the start. <> Johnny...there shouldnt be any worry about blowing up the transmitter when you install the AM Stereo exciter. If the transmitter is a tube rig...just note the RF drive before and after the install. I've noticed that sometimes the RF drive may be a little bit lower with the AM Stereo exciter compared to the internal exciter. This will be a factor for when tubes the begin to get soft...but in my applications,I havent noticed any adverse effects or no increase in having to change tubes out. { The 833's in my Raytheon last me an easy 5 years} If your install is done right..you'll have one super sounding station afterwards. 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Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3445 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.130.106 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > The MC13028 does provide wider stereo separation with > lower distortion, but the MetroSound's built-in decoder > is already good. Even though it uses the same decoder > chip as the Sony multi-system radio, for some reason > it sounds better, with better bass response and lower > distortion. Proper decoding of C-QuAM will definitely improve separation and reduce distortion and using synchronously tuned / gaussian type filters will optimize the distortion correction process as the pre-distorded sidebands that are there to cancel the envelope distortion arrive in proper time in relation the fundamental signals that they are trying to cancel for the envelope. This is all subjective though as to maximize this process it requires good strong signals with little or no interference. When all of this is done a high amount of separation can be obtained like at least 35-40 db under optimum coditions but all that is gained here is only moderate for most listening conditions which is why the Sony multi-systen sounds pretty good as it is. When moderate interference is present any envelope detector will produce distortion for the same reason that QuAM signals produce distortion for envelope detectors. At a certain point the envelope detector distortion will rise above the amount of distortion present when a C-QuAM signal is decoded as QuAM which is when cosine correction needs to be turned off and both L+R and L-R are synchronously detected. It is my impression that the Sony radios use full synchronous detection and is one reason why those mp3 samples sound so good because interference IS a problen on the AM band even for local nighttime reception. A lot of improvements in C-QuAM decoding have been made with the MC13022 & MC13028 2nd generation chips and I'm really interested in knowing what is done to overcome the distortion issues since the datasheets are pretty brief on it. Since most of the patents on C-QuAM and the surrounding technology have expired maybe more detailed information can be released on these chip designs by the manufacturer. > As far as IF filters go, I don't really like the sound of > ceramic IF filters, because they can get rather "ringy". > This is because they are absolutely flat in response to a > certain point, like 6 kHz, and then drop off sharply > above that. It's that sharp skirt of the filter that does it especially since the rapid rate of attenuation is occuring betheen 7-10 KHz not that this is a characteristic ceramic of based devices. If enough LC components are lumped together to obtain as steep of skirt ringing will also result. This is why I suggest using a wide gaussian ceramic filter that has a flat response out to 10 KHz so that the rapid attenuation of the skirt falls outside the program material. Apply de-emphasis post detection that will produce the NRSC response when in combination with both the IF filter and the RF filter responses and add high Q 10 KHz notch filters to remove the whistle. This is probably what Sony did in those AMAX certified radios that they marketed during that short period. This is what it would take to produce a great sounding AMS decoder verses a fairly good sounding one. Having a wide filter also helps to improve s/n ratio and separation in the top end since the the HF compoents of the sidebands are going into the decoder at full strength. JSG From MHAW2001@AOL.COM Mon Feb 25 18:21:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Mhaw2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 26 Feb 2002 02:21:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 41189 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2002 02:21:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2002 02:21:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r05.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.101) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2002 02:21:57 -0000 Received: from Mhaw2001@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.40.19ccd051 (4402) for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 21:21:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <40.19ccd051.29ac4b36@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 21:21:42 EST Subject: NEW AM Stereo receivers To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows CA sub 12021 From: MHAW2001@AOL.COM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi the Canadian A/V magazine "Audio Ideas Magazine" has two tuners listed as AM Stereo in the 2002 edition. Fanfare FTA-100 $2,595C Rega R.Radio $925C These both are not cheap by any means and I can't think I can justify spending that much money for JUST a tuner but some people like to splurge I Guess. It sucks that only high-end manufacturers are producing AM Stereo home tuners anymore. MATT [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jsgil@hal-pc.org Mon Feb 25 18:32:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 26 Feb 2002 02:32:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 62188 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2002 02:32:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2002 02:32:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.79) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2002 02:32:33 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.120] by n29.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2002 02:32:29 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 02:32:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Help - Audio Processing Question Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020225201228.1160.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2156 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.130.106 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst I thought I had posted this reply earlier but hasn't shown up yet. I has become my practice to type my responses up in an editor and not rely on the faith that yahoo will always post your message. Bob Carter has probably touched on some of this but here is my response since I already have it typed up. --- In amstereoforum@y..., Johnny Electron wrote: > Do you have to have an AM Stereo audio processor to go from a stereo > board to AMS? It's always better as it optimizes the modulation levels for transmittion and this in turns optimizes the s/n ratio for reception that is a best fit for AMS. > Let's say you have a station that simulcasts on both AM > Mono and FM Stereo, so the existing 'board' is stereo. > What do I have to get for the station to put them into AM > Stereo mode? > I know that they'll need an AMS exciter with a crystal for > their AM broadcast frequency, but do they have to have an > audio processor added in addition to the exicter? Do you > have to have a "L-R" signal > for the exciter, or just a discrete L and a discrete R ? > If there is an L-R out of the FM processor, is it > suitable enough to drive the AMS exciter if needed? Some (maybe a few) exciters have both discrete (L & R) and matrix (L+R & L-R) inputs. If this is an issue you can always re/de-matrix the channels with op-amps to suit your needs. The only problen using the signal processed for FM is that they reduce the L-R strenght especially in the top end where all the seraration is in order to maintain mono loudness. This is not only unnessisary for AMS but the opposite is true. You can actually increase L-R gain over L+R and not effect mono loudness. This works pretty good on some of todays music as most of it doesn't have alot of heavy single channel mixing and tends to make the stereo jump out. But this can be taken to the extreme and produce an unnatural and etherial sound especially on older music that was recorded before the 70s as whole tracks were put only on one channel. It all depends on what kind of program material broadcasted as to what kind of processing that will suit your needs. JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Feb 25 19:47:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 26 Feb 2002 03:47:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 77949 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2002 03:47:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2002 03:47:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.72) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2002 03:47:57 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.112] by n22.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2002 03:47:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 03:47:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Better Audio Response? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2975 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.47 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Proper decoding of C-QuAM will definitely improve separation and > reduce distortion True C-Quam decoding definitely does provide a cleaner, less distorted sound. But receiving a C-Quam signal on a Sony-type receiver will actually sound "brighter" because the uncorrected harmonic distortion in the L-R component creates false audio response that extends well above the 10 kHz NRSC limit. Even on a Sony SRF-42 (with its narrower filter) the distortion elements can extend quite strongly up to 15 kHz, giving a bright, "brassy" sound. > At a certain point the envelope detector distortion will rise above > the amount of distortion present when a C-QuAM signal is decoded as > QuAM which is when cosine correction needs to be turned off and both > L+R and L-R are synchronously detected. The advanced MC13022 and MC13122 C-Quam decoder chips have a signal strength threshold below which true C-Quam decoding is not done, in order to reduce the chance of the cosine compensation circuit from getting confused and adding extra noise to the Stereo signal. > It is my impression that the Sony radios use full synchronous > detection and is one reason why those mp3 samples sound so good > because interference IS a problen on the AM band even for local > nighttime reception. Actually from what I understand the Sony radios simply use a regular envelope detector for the L+R component and simple phase detection for the L-R component (with additional phase shifting to properly dematrix the non-Kahn systems). Thus it works best with the Magnavox and Kahn systems which both use envelope for the L+R and phase modulation for the L-R. On a Sony decoder, C-Quam sounds a bit distorted because of the lack of cosine compensation, and Harris AM Stereo sounds horribly distorted because it is not an envelope detector system and was designed for true synchronous detection which the Sony decoder does not have. As far as I know the only AM Stereo decoder with true synchronous detection was the multi-system decoder used in Sansui radios. This was Sansui's own design with individual chips to perform various functions instead of an all-in-one AM Stereo decoder IC. > A lot of improvements in C-QuAM decoding have been made with the > MC13022 & MC13028 2nd generation chips and I'm really interested in > knowing what is done to overcome the distortion issues since the > datasheets are pretty brief on it. Whatever Motorola did with the second generation chips, it really works excellently. When coupled to an inherently good radio, the MC13022, MC13024, and MC13028 chips have so little distortion and the Stereo separation is so wide that it is amazing to listen to. In fact I think they even OVER-correct the distortion because there are some stations that I know are putting out distorted audio out of the transmitter (because you can still hear it in MONO) and on these 2nd generation decoders this distortion magically disappears! From rjskadl@yahoo.com Mon Feb 25 20:24:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 26 Feb 2002 04:24:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 44834 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2002 04:24:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2002 04:24:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.66) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2002 04:24:47 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.156] by n16.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2002 04:24:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 04:24:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Help - Audio Processing Question Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3661 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 206.112.35.28 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl Also, Don't forget that you have to have the right NRSC filtering and pre-emphasis for your AM station. Your good AM Stereo Processors will have the filtering and pre-emp built in. Good reccomendations for AM Stereo PRocessing. Omnia-3-AM by Omnia Audio appx cost $4,000.00 http://www.omniaaudio.com/product/omnia3/3am.htm Optimod 9100 by Orban appx cost $8,000.00 http://www.orban.com (go to products, radio, 9100-B2) Amigo AM by CRL http://www.crlsystems.com/am/amamigo.htm I have no experience with the amigo, but their mono AM processing units are good quality. CRL is a good company to deal with too. The Optimod is the tried and true AM Stereo processor. Probably 9 out of 10 AM stereo stations are using the 9100, not to mention all the mono stations that use it too. Unfortunately Bob Orban has written off AM stereo and all of his new digital processors are mono only for AM. That is why they still sell the 9100 box. The Omnia3-AM is an impressive box. Fortunately Frank Foti realizes that AM stereo is still a viable medium. The experiences my associates and I have had with this box have been great. Unfortunately they have all been mono experiences. We are supposed to be turning the stereo on at at least one station in the forseeable future, but unfortunately the tower site has been having arcing issues. Unfortunately the Omnia only gives you two outputs, one for left and one for right. We have to process mono and put one output to our stereo tx and the other feed to the older aux Tx. We can't go stereo untill we get some processing for the backup mono rig. To answer your question though about inputs to the exciter I will explain my own findings. I imagine that there must have been some older AMS exciters that had inputs for L+R and L-R, but most have discrete inputs. The audio processors for AM Stereo internally matrix the audio, process it, and then dematrix it back to discrete channels. then the discrete channels input into the exciter, which once again matrixes the audio. It all sounds like a lot but it is supposed to make it simpler for us. Interestingly enough the new BE exciters as well as the new Harris AMS exciters only have Discrete L and R inputs. I got a lot of my information from contributing members of this board, and a lot of time looking through many technical manuals for the different pieces of equipment. As far as using FM processing for your AM rig, I don't reccomend it. you are going to have to spend money on equipment no matter how you do it, so you might as well do it the right way. If you have to do an El Cheapo special, I suppose you could use discrete L and R outputs from your FM processor, but you need to have two (one for each audio channel) AM NRSC compliant pre-emphasis and filtering units. Once again I dont reccomend it, but I guess it isn't totally unheard of. It will make it a challenge to adjust it though. I also don't know of anyone that has ever done this. The closest to this I have seen was an AM that was simulcasting the Air signal of an FM station. Of course it was a mono AM. Since the FM was already processed all the AM needed between the tuner and the tx was an inovonics NRSC compliant filter and pre-emp unit. The station never sounded great, but it worked nevertheless. In theory this should also work for stereo. Just keep in mind though that FM uses discrete processing and AMS uses matrix processing, so your AM is going to sound shlompy using this method, especially for the mono listeners which is most of your audience. Good luck with the stereo conversion! -Rusty From rjskadl@yahoo.com Mon Feb 25 20:26:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 26 Feb 2002 04:26:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 64670 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2002 04:26:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2002 04:26:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.79) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2002 04:26:47 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.177] by n29.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2002 04:25:29 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 04:25:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Help - Audio Processing Question Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2315 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 206.112.35.28 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl --- In amstereoforum@y..., "jsgilst" wrote: > I thought I had posted this reply earlier but hasn't shown up > yet. I has become my practice to type my responses up in an editor > and not rely on the faith that yahoo will always post your message. > Bob Carter has probably touched on some of this but here is my > response since I already have it typed up. > > > --- In amstereoforum@y..., Johnny Electron > wrote: > > Do you have to have an AM Stereo audio processor to go from a stereo > > board to AMS? > > It's always better as it optimizes the modulation levels for > transmittion and this in turns optimizes the s/n ratio for reception > that is a best fit for AMS. > > > > Let's say you have a station that simulcasts on both AM > > Mono and FM Stereo, so the existing 'board' is stereo. > > What do I have to get for the station to put them into AM > > Stereo mode? > > I know that they'll need an AMS exciter with a crystal for > > their AM broadcast frequency, but do they have to have an > > audio processor added in addition to the exicter? Do you > > have to have a "L-R" signal > > for the exciter, or just a discrete L and a discrete R ? > > If there is an L-R out of the FM processor, is it > > suitable enough to drive the AMS exciter if needed? > > > Some (maybe a few) exciters have both discrete (L & R) and matrix (L+R > & L-R) inputs. If this is an issue you can always re/de-matrix the > channels with op-amps to suit your needs. > > The only problen using the signal processed for FM is that they reduce > the L-R strenght especially in the top end where all the seraration is > in order to maintain mono loudness. This is not only unnessisary for > AMS but the opposite is true. You can actually increase L-R gain over > L+R and not effect mono loudness. This works pretty good on some of > todays music as most of it doesn't have alot of heavy single channel > mixing and tends to make the stereo jump out. But this can be taken to > the extreme and produce an unnatural and etherial sound especially on > older music that was recorded before the 70s as whole tracks were put > only on one channel. It all depends on what kind of program material > broadcasted as to what kind of processing that will suit your needs. > > JSG From smpoole7@bellsouth.net Mon Feb 25 21:29:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: smpoole7@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 26 Feb 2002 05:29:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 39519 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2002 05:29:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2002 05:29:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.81) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2002 05:29:54 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.163] by n31.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2002 05:29:54 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 05:29:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Clear Channel bashing Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <113.d29323b.29ac12b1@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 696 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "professorpoole" X-Originating-IP: 216.76.200.136 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25309165 X-Yahoo-Profile: professorpoole Bob, Look at it this way: if Clear Channel should get behind AM Stereo, it would be all plus and no minus. Can you imagine what would happen if hundreds of CC stations not only began using it at the same time ... but PROMOTING it 24/7 as well ...? Encouragement is the key here, I think, not bashing. By the way ... I think I know your owner, at least indirectly. If it's the Ray I'm thinking of, Johnny Hood over at WPTF gave him my name a few years ago when he was having some major problems. Tell him I said hello. Glad to see he's got a good knob-twirler on board now. :) (I think I may know you ... I've heard the name, anyway. I used to work the Fayetteville area back in NC.) From jsgil@hal-pc.org Mon Feb 25 21:43:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 26 Feb 2002 05:43:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 84835 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2002 05:43:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2002 05:43:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.58) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2002 05:43:55 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.169] by n8.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2002 05:43:54 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 05:43:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Better Audio Response? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3417 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: I really don't know a lot of details about the internal workings of the Sony decoders but from the SRF-A100 MP3 samples some of them sound the best. Even if the decoding is improper this extra brightness partially adds the hamonics back in that were present in the program material before bandlimiting. And yes it is distortion and too much of it can detract from good sounding stereo but a little of it can help replace the missing highs. In the search for info on AMS in patents I rean across Sony's patent for their 4-Way decoders and they stated that the distortion was between 3-5% for all of the systems received. So they may be using a linear phase dector with an envelope detector but they have also tweaked their circuitry to get these lower distortion levels. David Hershberger of Harris made the same comment regarding a QuAM signal being detected by an envelope detector that it was mostly 2nd, 4th & 6th harmonics generated that were also present in the original material and appeared as if you turned the treble up and not distortion. I pulled a lot of these MP3 samples taken from a SRF-A100 into Cool Edit and it was pretty obvious what the cut off point of the broadcasted signal and didn't appear to have much if any harmonics above that so I don't think this brassiness is attributed entirely to the Sony decoding method. > Whatever Motorola did with the second generation chips, > it really works excellently. > In fact I think they even OVER-correct the distortion > because there are some stations that I know are putting > out distorted audio out of the transmitter (because you > can still hear it in MONO) and on these 2nd generation > decoders this distortion magically disappears! The envelope detector is most vulnerable to producing distortion on the negative modulation peaks and hence this was the downfall of their 1st generation chip the MC13020 where the cosine correction would go haywire under those conditions. It almost sounds like that they are borrowing the signal from the I (L+R) sync detector on negative modulation peaks if not usung full synchronous detection for L+R altogether under less than ideal signal conditions when detected by the "Signal Quality Detector". The fact that you get a cleaner sound also in MONO when the transmitted signal is known to be distorted and the comment that Chris made earlier that the MC13028 didn't seem to distort when mistuned like an regular envelope detector does are all characteristics of synchronous detection. I can get this same excellent sound under marginal signal conditions with a MC13020 when I disable the cosine amp and take L+R from the synchronous detector. I've have the same situation from the mono 50KW blowtorch station in our area that uses directional antennas. They sound over modulated and limited and I get that familar crackle from the envelope detector but when I switch to synchronous detection some of that dissappears. It sounds like Motorola did it right with this chip and realized the benefits of synchronous detection and found a way to incorporate this in a way to benefit C-QuAM and eliminate the problems associated with the envelope detector. I've not had a chance to experiment with the MC13028 but if they did what I think they did then it offers the best of both worlds Q-QuAM Stereo and synchronous detection! JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Feb 25 21:47:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 26 Feb 2002 05:47:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 1448 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2002 05:47:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2002 05:47:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.80) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2002 05:47:11 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.148] by n30.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2002 05:47:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 05:47:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Sports in Stereo Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1084 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.47 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I'm just wondering if there are any AM Stereo stations out there in the world that are still broadcasting sporting events in Stereo. The last station I heard do this was 1120 KMOX; they broadcast the St. Louis Cardinals home games in full Stereo and it sounded fabulous. It was like you were right in the stadium, just like when baseball is on TV with the Surround Sound. The most logical station to have sporting events in Stereo would be WFAN 660 AM Stereo in New York City. They're a great station but they've never done any live sports events in Stereo, at least not that I've heard. And WFAN is *the* most lucrative station in the whole USA, so they could certainly afford the extra cost of a second audio line -- I heard WFAN turned in $3 million of profit last year! And KMOX is owned by Infinity, just like WFAN and WPHT, so there is at least a little hope of them making a comeback to Stereo.... there is no reason why a 50,000-watt Class I-A station like KMOX should not be in AM Stereo, because they have nothing to lose from it, and so much to gain. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Mon Feb 25 22:00:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 26 Feb 2002 06:00:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 7002 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2002 06:00:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2002 06:00:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.72) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2002 06:00:58 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.128] by n22.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2002 06:00:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 06:00:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sports in Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 305 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > I'm just wondering if there are any AM Stereo stations out there in > the world that are still broadcasting sporting events in Stereo. Every once in awhile I'll catch 820 WBAP in Ft. Worth, TX doing a sporting event in stereo. JSG From scott.toenniessen@fmr.com Tue Feb 26 10:37:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: scott.toenniessen@fmr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 26 Feb 2002 18:37:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 67390 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2002 18:37:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2002 18:37:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.66) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2002 18:37:38 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.157] by n16.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2002 18:37:26 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 18:37:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: DX390, TU680 and mailing lists... Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 767 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "spt87a" X-Originating-IP: 192.223.243.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Hey, I've been out of touch with the group for a couple months. I'm usually an avid reader - infrequest poster. To catch up... There were some people working on adding a decoder board to the DX- 390. Is there any info on how to do this? I'd like to convert mine. At various times I've read of people working to improve the DX capability of the Denon TU-680NAB. Has anyone found any good modifications? Does anyone have schematics for this tuner they would be willing to copy for me? Are all the other AM Stereo lists officially dead? I haven't received anything from them in a good while (Dennis Falk's list, etc.) For those of you using long wire antennas, how are you protecting the receiver from static/lightening damage? Thanks, Scott From amfmdx@fastq.com Tue Feb 26 11:02:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 26 Feb 2002 19:02:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 78556 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2002 19:02:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2002 19:02:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2002 19:02:24 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d39-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.71]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g1QJ2Nn59303 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 12:02:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <005701c1bef8$12cee3c0$47f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} DX390, TU680 and mailing lists... Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 12:01:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 > There were some people working on adding a decoder board to the DX- > 390. Is there any info on how to do this? I'd like to convert mine. I was so unparticularly unimpressed with mine that I used it to add an SCA decoder for FM use. > Are all the other AM Stereo lists officially dead? I haven't > received anything from them in a good while (Dennis Falk's list, etc.) No, they aren't dead. None of the lists seem really busy with something important right now. > For those of you using long wire antennas, how are you protecting the > receiver from static/lightening damage? I use an Alpha-Delta antenna switch. Has lightning protection inside. It was $50 but I think it was worth the money. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From rfinder@telusplanet.net Tue Feb 26 12:51:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rfinder@telusplanet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 26 Feb 2002 20:51:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 70532 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2002 20:51:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2002 20:51:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.85) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2002 20:51:31 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.48] by n35.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2002 20:51:29 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:51:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Vancouver Check Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <187.3abc78d.29a581f8@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 473 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "i2thesky2001" X-Originating-IP: 142.59.49.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public --- In amstereoforum@y..., MHAW2001@A... wrote: > I asked the person who sold me my Sony tuner what stations were still > broadcasting in the Greater Vancouver area before he mailed it. Here is his > findings: > My apologies, 1320 CHMB in Hongcouver IS in Stereo, not just a stereo pilot. Although, they just funnel everthing into a stereo simulator, but true stereo nonetheless. Still cant hear actual stereo programming from 1470 CJVB or 1410 CFUN or 980 CKNW. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Feb 26 14:29:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 26 Feb 2002 22:29:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 49674 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2002 22:29:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2002 22:29:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.71) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2002 22:29:23 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.165] by n21.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2002 22:13:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 22:29:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: DX390, TU680 and mailing lists... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1581 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.131.74 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "spt87a" wrote: > At various times I've read of people working to > improve the DX capability of the Denon TU-680NAB. > Has anyone found any good modifications? Does > anyone have schematics for this tuner they would > be willing to copy for me? I don't know what kind of antenna the Denon has. If it is a ferrite bar antenna you can get one of those antenna boosters like a Sellect-A-Tenna or a Kiwa Loop to boost signal strength. Or you can make your own with wire and a surplus tuning capacitor. I came across a 10" wooden embroidry hoop that made a nice bobbin to wind ~20 turns of #20 AWG enamel wire and used an air dielectric tuning capacitor from a ham surplus shop. Most newer receivers use an air core antenna wound on a plastic bobbin which are a piece of junk because the cross-sectional area of the coil is not large enough to gather enough signal strength. Unwind the wire and rewind the wire on a 10" - 12" dia. bobbin that is round. The gathering strength is directly related to cross-sectional area of the coil so you will get the maximum amount of strength from a round antenna and not a rectangular one like what comes with most receivers. Rewinding the antenna will most likely change the inductance of the antenna and you can either go inside the receiver and tweak the RF tuning so it will properly track the LO or you can play with the number of turns and the diameter. You don't have to use the wire from the original antenna but the length of it is a good starting point to get close enough. JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Feb 26 14:46:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 26 Feb 2002 22:46:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 3400 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2002 22:46:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2002 22:46:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.78) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2002 22:46:29 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.145] by n28.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2002 22:46:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 22:46:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Better Audio Response? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1504 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.142 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I pulled a lot of these MP3 samples taken from a SRF-A100 into Cool > Edit and it was pretty obvious what the cut off point of the > broadcasted signal and didn't appear to have much if any harmonics > above that so I don't think this brassiness is attributed entirely > to the Sony decoding method. Actually at least on the MP3s I produce, most of the time I impose a 9.9 kHz low-pass cut-off in order to remove the 10 kHz whistle and to produce better quality MP3 encoding (since extraneous high-frequency noise is the hardest for MP3 to encode properly). This also magically removes the "brassy" sound of the Sony radios because the extra harmonics above 10 kHz are no longer present after the 9.9 kHz cut-off is imposed. Only when the transmitted signal exceeds the 10 kHz NRSC limit do I not use this frequency cut-off, but that is rare; so far the only "hi-fi" non-NRSC-limited recordings I have personally done have been of 1600 WWRL and 1340 CJLS. The "bright" sound of the Sony radios is interesting to listen to, but one thing I dislike about them is the rather weak and distorted bass. In fact I thought this was an inherent flaw of the C-Quam system until I listened to the "third-generation" MC13028 decoder. In addition to the advantages you and I mentioned, like wider Stereo separation and quasi-synchronous detection for less distortion, the new Motorola chips have the best bass response, which in my opinion is just as important as having good treble response. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Feb 26 14:50:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 26 Feb 2002 22:50:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 59127 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2002 22:50:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2002 22:50:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.53) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2002 22:50:29 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.175] by n3.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2002 22:50:29 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 22:50:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Vancouver Check Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 626 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.142 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > My apologies, 1320 CHMB in Hongcouver IS in Stereo, not just a > stereo pilot. > Although, they just funnel everthing into a stereo simulator, but > true stereo nonetheless. Are you sure they aren't a Kahn PowerSide station? When received on a "forced" C-Quam radio, such as the Sony SRF- series, a PowerSide signal has a "simulated Stereo" effect, with an "out-of-phase" sound to it and one channel slightly louder than the other. PowerSide stations do not transmit a 25 Hz C-Quam pilot tone which is why you're not getting one, although sometimes they do put out a 15 Hz Kahn AM Stereo pilot tone, just for fun. From 1377.3mp@start.com.au Tue Feb 26 15:06:06 2002 Return-Path: <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Sender: 1377.3mp@start.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 26 Feb 2002 23:06:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 22053 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2002 23:06:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2002 23:06:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.56) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2002 23:06:05 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.36] by n6.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2002 23:06:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 23:06:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1960'S AM STEREO RECEIVER TRANSISTOR RADIO Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 142 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Originating-IP: 213.121.67.214 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69495942 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Saw this on ebay though title a bit misleaDING! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1077809880 neat looking radio though From 1377.3mp@start.com.au Tue Feb 26 15:12:09 2002 Return-Path: <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Sender: 1377.3mp@start.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 26 Feb 2002 23:12:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 99158 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2002 23:12:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2002 23:12:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.52) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2002 23:12:08 -0000 Received: from [216.115.97.81] by n2.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2002 23:12:08 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 23:12:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Ebay Item from CC ? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 130 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Originating-IP: 213.121.67.214 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69495942 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Quote 'This mod will also enable you to hear experimental AM Stereo broadcasts on short wave' C-quam AM stereo on shortwave ?! From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Feb 26 15:39:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 26 Feb 2002 23:39:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 84234 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2002 23:39:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2002 23:39:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.78) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2002 23:39:17 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.39] by n28.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2002 23:39:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 23:39:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Better Audio Response? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1058 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.131.74 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > is imposed. Only when the transmitted signal exceeds the 10 kHz > NRSC limit do I not use this frequency cut-off, but that is rare; How do these stations get by with this. The MP3 headers say they were recorded in 2000 or so long after the NRSC imposed limit. > so far the only "hi-fi" non-NRSC-limited recordings > I have personally done have been of 1600 WWRL and 1340 CJLS. Yea these sound great even though they do contain some distorion but I can also get a similar effect if I do a 2:1 compression. I know that most stations are using compression and it sounds like it's in the 2:1 range which is necessary considering the limited s/n ratio that AM has. What needs to be done is decide on a particular compression scheme for transmittion and then top end decoders could use the proper expansion. This is one of my biggest complaints about radio both AM & FM using compression and limiting severly distorting the signal in some cases which can be even more distracting. JSG From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Feb 26 15:41:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 26 Feb 2002 23:41:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 88134 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2002 23:41:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2002 23:41:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.81) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2002 23:41:53 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.43] by n31.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2002 23:41:53 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 23:41:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1960'S AM STEREO RECEIVER TRANSISTOR RADIO Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 312 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.131.74 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "amstereofan" <1377.3mp@s...> wrote: > Saw this on ebay though title a bit misleaDING! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1077809880 > > neat looking radio though Yea I saw it too. Maybe we could put a MC13028 decoder in it and make it real stereo ;-). JSG From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Feb 26 15:50:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 26 Feb 2002 23:50:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 6919 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2002 23:50:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2002 23:50:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.62) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2002 23:50:36 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.158] by n12.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2002 23:50:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 23:50:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Ebay Item from CC ? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 513 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.131.74 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "amstereofan" <1377.3mp@s...> wrote: > Quote 'This mod will also enable you to hear experimental AM Stereo > broadcasts on short wave' > > C-quam AM stereo on shortwave ?! If your close enough it would probably work fairly well but if it's long distance skywaye reception, selective fading and platform motion are much worse on SW. It is commmon to switch to SSB mode if your radio has the capability to combat some of this even though the mono transmitted signal is DSB-AM. JSG From KC4QLP@aol.com Tue Feb 26 16:19:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 27 Feb 2002 00:19:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 82647 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2002 00:19:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2002 00:19:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r06.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.102) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2002 00:19:08 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.16d.978e8e4 (3966) for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 19:18:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <16d.978e8e4.29ad7fe3@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 19:18:43 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} DX390, TU680 and mailing lists... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 2/26/02 1:39:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, scott.toenniessen@fmr.com writes: << Are all the other AM Stereo lists officially dead? I haven't received anything from them in a good while (Dennis Falk's list, etc.) For those of you using long wire antennas, how are you protecting the receiver from static/lightening damage? Thanks, Scott >> Welcome back from the cob webs of the internet Scott...we are all still around on all of the list. The only list that is defunct is Byrans list...but all of the others are still around. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Feb 26 17:25:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 27 Feb 2002 01:25:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 14298 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2002 01:25:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2002 01:25:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2002 01:25:06 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-85.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.85]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA22725 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 19:25:15 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000f01c1bf2d$b81fa640$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Newspaper ad. What do you think? Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 19:25:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I think WAIT is now talk, at least part time. I heard Mike Gallagher talking about his program coming to that station. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics > Don't forget 850 WAIT (Nostalgia music) and 1300 WRDZ (Radio Disney), > both in fantastic full AM Stereo sound. WAIT even promotes their AM > Stereo on the air, with liners like "Hear your favorite music, ALL IN > STEREO here on 850 WAIT". > From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Feb 26 17:32:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 27 Feb 2002 01:32:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 8993 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2002 01:32:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2002 01:32:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2002 01:32:45 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-85.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.85]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA24444; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 19:32:39 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001b01c1bf2e$c8f6c1a0$d3a9fea9@me> To: , Subject: Fw: another promotional idea Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 19:33:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm kicking myself that I didn't think of this earlier. One way to get a good number of radios out to the public would be to hold a raffle in conjunction with some AMS stations. Chris had posted a picture of a AMS/FMS/CD with remote for $75. There should be a fair amount of profit built in so he can purchase more radios which can be converted for those that want one and don't win the raffle. For example, he does a raffle with KCJJ. Listeners would chip in $1 for every chance to win a radio. For every $150 in the pot, Chris makes one radio available, so if the amount climbs to $3000, that puts 20 radios into the market. The extra is split between Chris and the station so Chris can buy more parts or radios. That plus the recent ad idea that was recently posted could make this a killer promotional effort, and would be self sustaining! ST [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Feb 26 17:34:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 27 Feb 2002 01:34:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 49887 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2002 01:34:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2002 01:34:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.70) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2002 01:34:07 -0000 Received: from [216.115.97.81] by n20.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2002 01:20:25 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 01:34:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Better Audio Response? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1881 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.162 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > How do these stations get by with this. The MP3 headers say they > were recorded in 2000 or so long after the NRSC imposed limit. It was probably just a "mistake" on the part of the station's engineer. 1600 WWRL was running without NRSC filtering for at least 6 months before they caught it and turned it back on. I've talked with the engineer who set up the equipment at 1340 CJLS and he said at least when he was there, they were using the proper NRSC filtering, but by the time I visited Nova Scotia in August 2001 and listened to them, it was disabled and they were putting out about 13 kHz of audio response. In their case they will probably get away with it because the Canadian AM band is getting less and less crowded every year as stations move to FM. > This is one of my biggest complaints about radio both AM & FM using > compression and limiting severly distorting the signal in some cases > which can be even more distracting. Part of the distortion you hear in the recordings of WWRL and CJLS are simply from the Sony SRF-A100 receiver being used, due to its lack of proper C-Quam decoding and also from the overly bright sound produced by its lack of NRSC de-emphasis. I have a few recordings of WWRL (in their unlimited bandwidth AM Stereo days) as received on a radio using the MC13028 decoder and they sound *fantastic* -- very, very low distortion and excellent frequency response. I'll upload a few examples of this as soon as I get my cassette deck working again. Anyway, I am not a big fan of heavy audio compression either. I am lucky to have one local AM music station that is using very little audio processing; the dynamic range is incredible, and because of this it sounds even better than FM. Unfortunately they are a Mono station but nevertheless they are probably the best-sounding mono AM station I've ever heard. From n0uiheric@aol.com Tue Feb 26 23:13:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 27 Feb 2002 07:13:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 60171 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2002 07:13:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2002 07:13:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2002 07:13:32 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.11c.d07fa90 (25916) for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 02:13:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <11c.d07fa90.29ade119@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 02:13:29 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Clear Channel bashing To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih I might agree with those at CC shooting for AM Stereo, but I just don't like the way they do business. For instance, their music stations are continuing to take payola, which is illegal. They're also using their Christian-formatted stations as profit centers instead of Christian radio outreach ministries, which is contrary to the Bible's teachings against the love of money. They also pressure entertainers to perform at their venues instead of at competing venues (which has resulted in an antitrust suit filed by Nobody In Particular Presents, a Denver concert promoter, against Clear Channel). Even Britney Spears won't perform at Clear Channel-owned venues. What's worst of all; they don't even allow some folks apply for on-air employment (I was denied an opportunity to apply for an on-air job at CC's KLOU 103.3 two years ago). I strongly believe that CC is controlling TOO MUCH of the commercial broadcast business. A company owning 1,200 radio stations is just enough to make a trust-buster like Teddy Roosevelt roll over in his grave. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://members.aol.com/n0uiheric/TurnOffClearChannel.html http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/turnoffclearchannel From jsgil@hal-pc.org Wed Feb 27 03:50:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 27 Feb 2002 11:50:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 92874 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2002 11:50:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2002 11:50:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.54) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2002 11:50:47 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.173] by n4.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2002 11:50:47 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:50:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Clear Channel bashing Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <11c.d07fa90.29ade119@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3506 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.26 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., n0uiheric@a... wrote: > For instance, their music stations are > continuing to take payola, which is illegal. Are you talking about payola like in the old days when some artist would bring a DJ an album and a portrait of Franklin or other things I won't mention here would fall out of it or the new from of quasi-legal payola with indies where they are the middleman between the artists and/or record companies and the radio stations? With the system we have now I'm sure a lot more money exchanges hands than it did previously and all artists have to work through these guys to get their music played on the radio. Not a big fan of the RIAA but this is one of the excuses they use as to why CD's are so expensive which I might agree with them to some extent. This is definitely an area of corruption that needs to be dealt with. > They're also using their Christian-formatted stations > as profit centers instead of Christian radio outreach > ministries, which is contrary to the Bible's teachings > against the love of money. This is also a flaw of the so called non-profit / charity laws where a non-profit corporation can make a large profit and redirect it back into "costs of doing business" and still be maintain their non-profit status. I hate to say it but this is business as usual in a lot of non-profits and these "tele-evangelist charletons". I wouldn't narrow this down just to CC because this is a widespread problem. > They also pressure entertainers to perform at their > venues instead of at competing venues (which has > resulted in an antitrust suit filed by Nobody In > Particular Presents, a Denver concert promoter, > against Clear Channel). Even Britney Spears won't > perform at Clear Channel-owned venues. What's worst > of all; they don't even allow some folks apply for > on-air employment (I was denied an opportunity to > apply for an on-air job at CC's KLOU 103.3 two years > ago). I strongly believe that CC is controlling TOO > MUCH of the commercial broadcast business. A company > owning 1,200 radio stations is just enough to make > a trust-buster like Teddy Roosevelt roll over in > his grave. These are definitely strong arm dirty business tactics that shouldn't be torerated. If they are in FCC violation or breaking other laws then the proper way to deal with this is to document each incident and to take action like the Denver concert promoter is doing or filing legitiment complaints with the FCC or other authorities. What CC is doing is not much different from what most other corporations do, they just seem to have perfected the art. I won't mention the other company who is duking it out with the DOJ over a similar situation regarding antitrust. I don't consider expressing legitiment complaints to be bashing but wholesale complaining without examples or documentation is bashing and is unproductive. Most of what I know about CC is what I have read on the web and some of the posts here. If they are as bad as people say then this forum could get filled up with a lot of those "legitiment complaints". This is not what this forum is for and could chase away pro AMS CC employees and their freinds who may already know some of this and are trying to find a pleasant forum to participate in. Having these pro AMS CC employees is an asset to this forum and could be a future connection to CC in promoting AMS to them. There is always the Turn Off Clear Channel club to vent your frustrations. JSG From rfinder@telusplanet.net Wed Feb 27 08:58:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rfinder@telusplanet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 27 Feb 2002 16:58:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 69250 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2002 16:54:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2002 16:54:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.53) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2002 16:54:39 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.159] by n3.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2002 16:54:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:54:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Vancouver Check Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1028 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "i2thesky2001" X-Originating-IP: 142.59.49.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > > My apologies, 1320 CHMB in Hongcouver IS in Stereo, not just a > > stereo pilot. > > Although, they just funnel everthing into a stereo simulator, but > > true stereo nonetheless. > > Are you sure they aren't a Kahn PowerSide station? When received on a > "forced" C-Quam radio, Well, for one thing, The CRTC passed an amendment in 1987 forcing all AMS stations in Canada running Kahn or any other system than C-Quam to change over to C-Quam, so I doubt that they are running Kahn. Also, my Chrysler AM stereo receiver does not run forced stereo mode and must have the 22 Khz pilot tone to trip the indicator. I was picking up 1320 CHMB with a very hot signal the other night with enough stability that there was no platform motion, this was an authentic stereo simulator they were using. I've got very discernable ears, and I've heard other AMS stations using simulators to run all thier commercials through and sometimes on-air voice as well. From rfinder@telusplanet.net Wed Feb 27 09:01:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rfinder@telusplanet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 27 Feb 2002 17:01:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 12351 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2002 17:01:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2002 17:01:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.51) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2002 17:01:27 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.49] by n1.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2002 17:01:27 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:01:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Vancouver Check Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 779 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "i2thesky2001" X-Originating-IP: 142.59.49.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > > My apologies, 1320 CHMB in Hongcouver IS in Stereo, not just a > > stereo pilot. > > Although, they just funnel everthing into a stereo simulator, but > > true stereo nonetheless. > > Are you sure they aren't a Kahn PowerSide station? When received on In 1987, all AMS sations in Canada had to standardize to the C-Quam format, as the CRTC passed an ammendment. Also, my stock Chrysler Radio in my '89 Voyeguer SE doesnt run forced Stereo. It needs the 22 KHz tone, and the specs on it say C-Quam only. It was common practice at one time to run all mono programs into a stereo simulator, even DJ breaks and newscasts to accentuate the AM STEREO advantage in the golden age of AM STEREO, the 80's. From rfinder@telusplanet.net Wed Feb 27 09:17:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rfinder@telusplanet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 27 Feb 2002 17:17:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 13044 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2002 17:17:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2002 17:17:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.78) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2002 17:17:24 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.119] by n28.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2002 17:17:21 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:17:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: A< Stereo Wish List Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1274 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "i2thesky2001" X-Originating-IP: 142.59.49.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public If I were God, these stations would reinstall AMS exciters. 660 CFFR Calgary, the 50,000 watt blowtorch of Southern Alberta, slamming it's 6 tower augmented signal down into Montana and Saskatchewan, Was a great station to have on while driving across the praries. 790 CFCW Camrose. North America's First all Country and Western Station. Another blowtorch with a 9 tower array. Can be heard in deep pockets of northern Alberta where no other station can reach. 910 CKDQ, Drumheller, Another 50,000 watt station serving central and southern alberta. Plays all country music and very little else. 580 CKUA Edmonton. Never was AMS but should be, considering this publicly funded station has the biggest music library in western canada, has been on air since 1929 and runs 15 FM stereo repeaters in the province. Playing classical, jazz, blues, folk and eclectic. 1140 CHRB High River. A small town gospel country station with a big signal. Took over the former 50 kw transmitter for 1140 CKXL Calgary in 1996. That transmitter was running stereo in the eighties. CHRB is one of the few remaining stations in this province that isnt owned or controlled by a media conglomerate and is proudly owned by a private broadcasting company in the twon of high river. From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Feb 27 16:56:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 28 Feb 2002 00:56:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 85090 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2002 00:56:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2002 00:56:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2002 00:56:40 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-88.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.88]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA19215 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:56:50 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000c01c1bff2$eb6462a0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Former Motorola Employee Comments & CC Bashing Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:57:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Same thing holds true for Salem. Even if I were the best engineer in the chain, I wouldn't have enough pull to get stereo on any of my stations. But if it were shown that it could improve the bottom line, they'd be interested. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: jsgilst > On the positive side for those AMS supporters at CC if they > have any pull on getting a station converted to AMS more power to > them. I'd like to see 790 KBME in my area broadcasting in AMS. > CC is big enough that bashing them could probably work against > us in the long run, rather getting the demand up for AMS to the > point that it will improve their bottom line will be the motivating > factor. From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Feb 27 17:09:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 28 Feb 2002 01:09:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 29773 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2002 01:09:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2002 01:09:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2002 01:09:33 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-88.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.88]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA21855 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:09:13 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <002901c1bff4$b7e2bce0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Former Motorola Employee Comments & CC Bashing Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:09:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Professor, FYI- We had a go-round last summer, IIRC, with Andy Laird who is an engineering honcho with Journal Broadcasting. And they turned the stereo off on KOMJ (ex-WOW) because he claimed they had a listening audience far beyond the Omaha area, and that stereo impeded the listenability for people outside that area. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: professorpoole > But the hard economic reality is that DX'ers don't impress > advertisers. Putting a strong, good-sounding signal into the metro > area impresses advertisers. Many of our advertisers have cars with > AM stereo radios; we instantly stand out on the dial. (Don't tell > our competition.[g]) > > Therefore, our point of view is that platform motion just isn't a > factor. We'd rather be stereo. From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Feb 27 17:11:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 28 Feb 2002 01:11:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 65497 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2002 01:11:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2002 01:11:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2002 01:11:48 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-88.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.88]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA22486; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:11:57 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <003101c1bff5$0884d3e0$d3a9fea9@me> To: , Subject: Fw: AM equipment Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:12:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Thought you guys might be interested in what I heard back from a defector to the FM side. Maybe spells another AMS signal for Vancouver? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: R.C.(Ron)Thompson CD To: Scott Todd Cc: Cliff Wheeler Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 11:48 AM Subject: RE: AM equipment > Scott, I will forward your email to Cliff Wheeler our engineer but I believe > that all the AM equipment has been moved to our Vancouver stations > > > Regards > > Ron > > R.C.(Ron) Thompson CD > General Manager/General Sales Manager > Corus Radio Red Deer > KG Country 95-5FM & 98.9 ZedFM > rthompson@corusent.com > (403) 348-0995 tel > (403)346-1230 fax > (403) 872-0318 Cell > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Todd [mailto:stodd@sherbtel.net] > Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 2:08 PM > To: rthompson@corusent.com > Subject: AM equipment > > Dear Mr. Thompson, > > I tried emailing your engineer, but it bounced. I was wondering > whatever became of all the transmission equipment you used when you were > still on AM. I am hoping to snag some AM stereo gear, particularly the > exciter if it's still available at reasonable cost. I collect retired > broadcast gear as a hobby, and I participate in some AM stereo email lists. > > Thank you for your time, > > Scott Todd > > From Bossmsx@aol.com Wed Feb 27 18:19:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 28 Feb 2002 02:19:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 89964 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2002 02:19:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2002 02:19:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r06.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.102) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2002 02:19:55 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.7c.23a62e33 (16117) for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:19:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from web49.aolmail.aol.com (web49.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.10]) by air-id12.mx.aol.com (v83.35) with ESMTP id MAILINID129-0227211945; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:19:45 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:19:45 EST Subject: Stumped. To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <7c.23a62e33.29aeedc1@aol.com> From: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx I'm 'stumped' on something, and I thought someone here might be able to help... I was analyzing the block diagram of the Sansui tuner's unique AM Stereo section (available for your viewing pleasure at http://www.nrcdxas.org/amstereo/projects/Sansui-AM-stereo-block-diagram.jpg) and noticed something. There's a Phase Shifter in the beginning that apparently shifts the signal 45 degrees...Further down the line, it shows that another phase shifter gets a signal, while the phase shifter below it gets a signal....Sounds like Kahn decoding to me. Question: Does this mean that the decoding for C-QUAM, Harris and Magnavox are located somewhere else on the radio (someplace not shown on this diagram), or does this block diagram also show (to those of you who know how to read these things) decoding for the other systems? Does it still separate the signal into USB + LSB and USB - LSB when it decodes C-QUAM, Magnavox and Harris? I'm confused. Tony S/Miami From joen3wtv@yahoo.com Wed Feb 27 19:21:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: joen3wtv@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 28 Feb 2002 03:21:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 65475 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2002 03:21:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2002 03:21:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11702.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.68) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2002 03:21:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20020228032148.76927.qmail@web11702.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.155.45.121] by web11702.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:21:48 PST Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:21:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: AM equipment To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <003101c1bff5$0884d3e0$d3a9fea9@me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: joe elias X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=35888484 X-Yahoo-Profile: joen3wtv theres a lot of old am transmitters being restored and being used in the ham bands.i just wonder if the fcc would ever allow hams to experiment with am stereo.its safd so many stations that am stereo in the past are doing away with it.....joe --- Scott Todd wrote: > Thought you guys might be interested in what I heard > back from a defector to > the FM side. Maybe spells another AMS signal for > Vancouver? > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: R.C.(Ron)Thompson CD > To: Scott Todd > Cc: Cliff Wheeler > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 11:48 AM > Subject: RE: AM equipment > > > > Scott, I will forward your email to Cliff Wheeler > our engineer but I > believe > > that all the AM equipment has been moved to our > Vancouver stations > > > > > > Regards > > > > Ron > > > > R.C.(Ron) Thompson CD > > General Manager/General Sales Manager > > Corus Radio Red Deer > > KG Country 95-5FM & 98.9 ZedFM > > rthompson@corusent.com > > (403) 348-0995 tel > > (403)346-1230 fax > > (403) 872-0318 Cell > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Scott Todd [mailto:stodd@sherbtel.net] > > Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 2:08 PM > > To: rthompson@corusent.com > > Subject: AM equipment > > > > Dear Mr. Thompson, > > > > I tried emailing your engineer, but it bounced. I > was wondering > > whatever became of all the transmission equipment > you used when you were > > still on AM. I am hoping to snag some AM stereo > gear, particularly the > > exciter if it's still available at reasonable > cost. I collect retired > > broadcast gear as a hobby, and I participate in > some AM stereo email > lists. > > > > Thank you for your time, > > > > Scott Todd > > > > > > ===== +++ PRAY THE ROSARY EVERYDAY +++ +++ O MARY CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN PRAY FOR US WHO HAVE RECOURSE TO THEE+++ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Feb 27 20:00:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 28 Feb 2002 04:00:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 65044 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2002 04:00:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2002 04:00:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.62) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2002 04:00:41 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.163] by n12.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2002 04:00:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 04:00:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Vancouver Check Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1918 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.151 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Well, for one thing, The CRTC passed an amendment in 1987 forcing > all AMS stations in Canada running Kahn or any other system than > C-Quam to change over to C-Quam, so I doubt that they are running > Kahn. The Kahn "PowerSide" system is not the same thing as Kahn AM Stereo, even though PowerSide is transmitted using a Kahn AM Stereo transmitter. Basically what PowerSide does, as its name implies, is put all of the power of the station into one of the two AM sidebands (Lower or Upper). In some cases this is supposed to increase signal coverage and reduce the effect of "nulls" in a directional signal. The coincidence is that the now-defunct Kahn AM Stereo system used the two AM sidebands in order to transmit the Left and Right audio channels. Therefore, on a Kahn AM Stereo receiver, a PowerSide station would have its audio coming out only the Left or only the Right channel, depending on which sideband they are putting the "PowerSide" into. The FCC ruled that PowerSide is still allowed to be used because it is technically not an AM Stereo system (since it is only broadcasting mono audio), and I suspect Canada's decision was the same. Any type of Kahn system is allowed as long as it is not broadcasting true Stereo audio. It is even still allowed to transmit a 15 Hz Kahn AM Stereo pilot tone, as long as the audio being broadcast is mono or "PowerSide" and not true Kahn AM Stereo. And it just so happens that when received on a C-Quam-type radio, the Kahn PowerSide system gives a "Simulated Stereo" effect due to the phasing of the signal. It will sound "spaced out" and is reminiscent of the "Simulated Stereo" or "Electronically Created Stereo" songs of the late 1950s and early 1960s. So you might think you are listening to a C-Quam station that is broadcasting Simulated Stereo when it is actually a Kahn PowerSide station in its normal mode of operation. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Feb 27 20:03:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 28 Feb 2002 04:03:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 33495 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2002 04:03:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2002 04:03:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.84) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2002 04:03:16 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.157] by n34.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2002 04:03:16 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 04:03:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: A< Stereo Wish List Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 520 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.151 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > 790 CFCW Camrose. North America's First all Country and Western > Station. Another blowtorch with a 9 tower array. Can be heard in > deep pockets of northern Alberta where no other station can reach. CFCW actually used to be in AM Stereo. For a long time whenever you typed "AM Stereo" into the Yahoo search engine, CFCW was the first web site to come up, and this was their description: "790 CFCW - Country Favorites of Yesterday & Today - 50,000 watts of AM Stereo serving Edmonton & North Central Alberta." From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Feb 27 20:09:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 28 Feb 2002 04:09:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 62691 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2002 04:09:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2002 04:09:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.85) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2002 04:09:01 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.181] by n35.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2002 04:09:00 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 04:08:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fw: AM equipment Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020228032148.76927.qmail@web11702.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 761 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.151 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > theres a lot of old am transmitters being restored and being used > in the ham bands.i just wonder if the fcc would ever allow hams to > experiment with am stereo.its safd so many stations that am stereo > in the past are doing away with it.....joe As far as I know, there is no restriction against transmitting in AM Stereo on the amateur radio bands, as long as you don't play music (a big no-no). There are some hams who have transmitted AM Stereo, including Gerald M., WA2FNQ. He transmits in AM Stereo on the 75/80 meter band using the Magnavox AM Stereo system. If you have an MP3 player on your computer, you can download and listen to a recording of him by clicking here: http://www.nrcdxas.org/amstereo/stations/amateur/WA2FNQ_Stereo.mp3 From joen3wtv@yahoo.com Wed Feb 27 21:34:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: joen3wtv@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 28 Feb 2002 05:34:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 80432 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2002 03:23:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2002 03:23:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11706.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.72) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2002 03:23:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20020228032357.94557.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.155.45.121] by web11706.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:23:57 PST Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:23:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Former Motorola Employee Comments & CC Bashing To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <002901c1bff4$b7e2bce0$d3a9fea9@me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: joe elias X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=35888484 X-Yahoo-Profile: joen3wtv question i remember the old wow,they played the great old country music.what are they doing these days.i used to listen to wow via the internet...............joe --- Scott Todd wrote: > Professor, > > FYI- We had a go-round last summer, IIRC, with Andy > Laird who is an > engineering honcho with Journal Broadcasting. And > they turned the stereo > off on KOMJ (ex-WOW) because he claimed they had a > listening audience far > beyond the Omaha area, and that stereo impeded the > listenability for people > outside that area. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: professorpoole > > But the hard economic reality is that DX'ers don't > impress > > advertisers. Putting a strong, good-sounding > signal into the metro > > area impresses advertisers. Many of our > advertisers have cars with > > AM stereo radios; we instantly stand out on the > dial. (Don't tell > > our competition.[g]) > > > > Therefore, our point of view is that platform > motion just isn't a > > factor. We'd rather be stereo. > > > ===== +++ PRAY THE ROSARY EVERYDAY +++ +++ O MARY CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN PRAY FOR US WHO HAVE RECOURSE TO THEE+++ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Feb 27 21:59:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 28 Feb 2002 05:59:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 41863 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2002 03:58:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2002 03:58:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r02.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.98) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2002 03:58:49 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.12c.d3691b2 (3314) for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 22:58:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <12c.d3691b2.29af04f6@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 22:58:46 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: AM equipment To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 2/27/02 10:25:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, joen3wtv@yahoo.com writes: << theres a lot of old am transmitters being restored and being used in the ham bands.i just wonder if the fcc would ever allow hams to experiment with am stereo.its safd so many stations that am stereo in the past are doing away with it.....joe >> Ther are hams that run AM on 160 meters,75 meters,40 meters,20 meters and 10 meters that experiment with AM Stereo. Although you cant play music..you sure can add some interesting effects to how you sound to those that can decode am stereo. I'm presently about to try AM Stereo using a Kenwood TS-440-S I have modified the transmitter part so that I dont have to depend on the internal method of modulating the carrier,which means I can have the rig in the FM mode while transmitting and still transmit an AM modulated signal....and also I could have a low level modulated FM signal on top of that...perhaps make a change somewheres and turn it into PM instead of FM...add a 25hz pilot and whhhaaaallll!...hopefully something that would resemble AM Stereo. Others have used the independant sideband method of making AM Stereo...sort of like the Kahn stereo. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From joen3wtv@yahoo.com Wed Feb 27 22:10:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: joen3wtv@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 28 Feb 2002 06:10:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 40027 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2002 06:10:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2002 06:10:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11707.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.73) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2002 06:10:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20020228061045.26148.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.155.45.118] by web11707.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 22:10:45 PST Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 22:10:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: AM equipment To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <12c.d3691b2.29af04f6@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: joe elias X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=35888484 X-Yahoo-Profile: joen3wtv thats a pretty cool idea.you will have to let me know how it works.....joe --- KC4QLP@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/27/02 10:25:57 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > joen3wtv@yahoo.com writes: > > << theres a lot of old am transmitters being > restored and > being used in the ham bands.i just wonder if the > fcc > would ever allow hams to experiment with am > stereo.its > safd so many stations that am stereo in the past > are > doing away with it.....joe >> > Ther are hams that run AM on 160 meters,75 meters,40 > meters,20 meters and 10 > meters that experiment with AM Stereo. Although you > cant play music..you sure > can add some interesting effects to how you sound to > those that can decode am > stereo. I'm presently about to try AM Stereo using a > Kenwood TS-440-S I have > modified the transmitter part so that I dont have to > depend on the internal > method of modulating the carrier,which means I can > have the rig in the FM > mode while transmitting and still transmit an AM > modulated signal....and also > I could have a low level modulated FM signal on top > of that...perhaps make a > change somewheres and turn it into PM instead of > FM...add a 25hz pilot and > whhhaaaallll!...hopefully something that would > resemble AM Stereo. > Others have used the independant sideband method of > making AM Stereo...sort > of like the Kahn stereo. > > Bob Carter > Operations/Engineering > > WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach > 104..., WQDK 99.3 > Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray > Communications Radio > Network > > Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio > stations with engineering > services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. > e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com > http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice > Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC > WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton > NC > WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor > NC > > AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- > amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com > > amstereo-subcribe@topica.com > amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > KC4QLP Amateur Radio > www.kc4qlp.cjb.net > > voice contact-252-335-0856 > fax 1-209-254-8978 > > _______________________________________________________ > > > WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. > Code, title 47, Chapter > 5, Subchapter II, > "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this > address is subject to a > download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing > denotes acceptance of > these terms." > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------------- > ===== +++ PRAY THE ROSARY EVERYDAY +++ +++ O MARY CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN PRAY FOR US WHO HAVE RECOURSE TO THEE+++ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com From joen3wtv@yahoo.com Wed Feb 27 23:14:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: joen3wtv@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 28 Feb 2002 07:14:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 1553 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2002 06:08:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2002 06:08:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11705.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.71) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2002 06:08:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20020228060800.56535.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.155.45.118] by web11705.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 22:08:00 PST Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 22:08:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Fw: AM equipment To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: joe elias X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=35888484 X-Yahoo-Profile: joen3wtv thanks ill check this out.im just a no code myself that the only thing i listen to is shortwave...joe --- kevtronics wrote: > > theres a lot of old am transmitters being restored > and being used > > in the ham bands.i just wonder if the fcc would > ever allow hams to > > experiment with am stereo.its safd so many > stations that am stereo > > in the past are doing away with it.....joe > > As far as I know, there is no restriction against > transmitting in > AM Stereo on the amateur radio bands, as long as you > don't play music > (a big no-no). There are some hams who have > transmitted AM Stereo, > including Gerald M., WA2FNQ. He transmits in AM > Stereo on the 75/80 > meter band using the Magnavox AM Stereo system. If > you have an MP3 > player on your computer, you can download and listen > to a recording of > him by clicking here: > > > http://www.nrcdxas.org/amstereo/stations/amateur/WA2FNQ_Stereo.mp3 > > > ===== +++ PRAY THE ROSARY EVERYDAY +++ +++ O MARY CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN PRAY FOR US WHO HAVE RECOURSE TO THEE+++ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Feb 28 01:04:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 28 Feb 2002 09:04:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 51149 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2002 09:04:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2002 09:04:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2002 09:04:13 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.37]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 03:58:55 -0500 Message-ID: <001501c1c036$1e220ec0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Fw: AM equipment Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 03:58:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Can you play music if you pay the royalties? CC ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics > As far as I know, there is no restriction against transmitting in > AM Stereo on the amateur radio bands, as long as you don't play music > (a big no-no From rfinder@telusplanet.net Thu Feb 28 03:28:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rfinder@telusplanet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 28 Feb 2002 11:28:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 44316 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2002 11:28:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2002 11:28:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.84) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2002 11:28:16 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.146] by n34.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2002 11:28:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:28:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: KOFI in Stereo Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 212 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "i2thesky2001" X-Originating-IP: 142.59.49.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public 1180 KOFI in Kalispell, Mon. confirmed stereo. Although I heard true separation, the right channel is at low levels, and somewhat distorted. Someone needs to do some adjusting there. Format: news/talk/oldies From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Feb 28 03:42:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 28 Feb 2002 11:42:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 89856 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2002 11:42:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2002 11:42:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO host.warwick.net) (204.255.24.254) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2002 11:42:24 -0000 Received: from chris (qelapsvc.florida.ul.warwick.net [208.228.96.20]) by host.warwick.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g1SBgLO352316; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 06:42:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000701c1c04c$ee290e00$0501a8c0@warwick.net> To: Cc: Subject: Great Crystal news! Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 06:41:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I just found out that Digi-Key will sell any frequency Cardinal programmable oscillator, programmed to your desired freq, for around $6.00. Now, these should work fine in the Alfredo "lites", but they are complete oscillators- running on 5 volts- as far as outfitting a Motorola exciter, I do not know, as I have never been able to get my hands on a service manual/schematic. But all in all, this is great news. CC From 1377.3mp@start.com.au Thu Feb 28 04:56:59 2002 Return-Path: <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Sender: 1377.3mp@start.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 28 Feb 2002 12:56:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 42458 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2002 12:56:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2002 12:56:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.72) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2002 12:56:59 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.128] by n22.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2002 12:56:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:56:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AMS stations streaming in stereo ? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 31 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Originating-IP: 213.121.69.121 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69495942 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Anyone got a list which are ? From Bossmsx@aol.com Thu Feb 28 14:07:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 28 Feb 2002 22:07:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 41746 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2002 22:07:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2002 22:07:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r04.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.100) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2002 22:07:02 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.46.234218d7 (16087) for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 17:06:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from web42.aolmail.aol.com (web42.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.3]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (v83.35) with ESMTP id MAILINID104-0228170659; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 17:06:59 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 17:06:59 EST Subject: Re: Vancouver Check To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <46.234218d7.29b00403@aol.com> From: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx <> Yeah, but what would be the point of transmitting a pilot tone for PowerSIDE? Pretty pointless if you ask me. -Tony S. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Feb 28 14:42:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 28 Feb 2002 22:42:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 85961 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2002 22:42:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2002 22:42:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.51) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2002 22:42:35 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.156] by n1.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2002 22:42:35 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:42:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fw: AM equipment Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001501c1c036$1e220ec0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 826 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.75.18 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Can you play music if you pay the royalties? Nope, amateur radio is supposed to be for two-way communications, not for "broadcasting". Ham radio operators have not been allowed to broadcast since at least the 1930s. However, it is still quite popular for unlicensed pirate stations to use ham radio equipment to transmit on the shortwave (HF) or AM bands, as many of the older tube-type ham radio transmitters were either crystal controlled or had continuous coverage down to about 1500 kHz. I used to have a nice old Gonset G-76 HF/shortwave transceiver that could put a decent 100 watts of AM on the air, but I only used it for receiving, mostly because I lacked a properly matched antenna to handle that amount of power. Even for short tests you don't want 100 watts of RF going into an unmatched antenna! From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu Feb 28 15:21:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 28 Feb 2002 23:21:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 69637 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2002 23:21:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2002 23:21:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.76) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2002 23:21:12 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.145] by n26.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2002 23:04:30 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:21:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AMS stations streaming in stereo ? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 723 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.130.117 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "amstereofan" <1377.3mp@s...> wrote: > Anyone got a list which are ? There very few radio stations streaming over the net AM or FM. They are all tied up in this royalty payment issue. This will be applied retroactively back to the late 90s for those were streaming. So in order to cut their losses when the terms are decided on they have stopped streaming. www.komaradio.com had a blurp on this as to why they stopped streaming but I can't find it now. Anyway from what I heard KOMA used to be in AMS but their exciter kept getting zapped by lighting and felt that it was a manfacturing problem and wasn't going to dump any more money into the promlem untill the manufacturer fixed it. JSG From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu Feb 28 15:31:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 28 Feb 2002 23:31:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 69524 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2002 23:31:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2002 23:31:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.68) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2002 23:31:42 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.155] by n18.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2002 23:31:58 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:31:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Stumped. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7c.23a62e33.29aeedc1@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2312 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.130.117 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., Bossmsx@a... wrote: > I was analyzing the block diagram of the > Sansui tuner's unique AM Stereo > section and noticed something. Yes it does look like they are trying to impliment some sort of Kahn receiver but I wouldn't go as far as to say that it was a good implementation of it though from a quick look of the diagram, here's why. The IF signal goes through a phase shifter so the IF signals going into the 2 detectors (MC1496) are 90 deg apart since there is no phase difference between the BFO going into the dectors. This is kind of a poor mans way of providing a 90 deg phase shift as it is not highly accurate like a divide by 4 counter where the signals are exactly 90 deg apart. The output of the 2 detectors is a linear QuAM signal of high quality but with a compromise in separation because of the phase shifter used, and after that in my opinion it is all down hill from there. The phase shifters within the dashed box is not the kind if shifter that is normally used for ISB as ISB uses a constant and accurate phase shift across the entire audio band. This is the type of phase shifter curcuit that is usually used for a guitar effect where the resistor in the RC network is variable. This one here produces a varying phase from 10 deg at 100Hz to 170 deg at 10KHz for a corner freq. at 1KHz. What you need is a constant 45 deg phase shift across the entire audio band. Anyway the phase shifter can be switched in or out depending on whether you want to decode Kahn or not. After that the L+R (LSB+USB) and L-R (LSB-USB) are sent to a multiplier where L-R gain is modulated by L+R. The multiplier is in operation all the time and would alter the waveform adding distortion to the non distorted QuAM signal when you were decoding the Harris system. Now upon a more detailed mathematical analisys of this approach it may be possible using the type of phase shifters used along with the multiplier used that it might not be a that bad approach to decode Kahn but I wouldnt bet on it. Overall it looks more like they are trying to implement a 4-Way decoder and Sony's was probably a better implimentation. Anyway it looks like that for the Magnavox, Motorola and Harris systems, are all decoded the same way and the phase shift networks are swithced in for Kahn. JSG From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu Feb 28 15:43:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 28 Feb 2002 23:43:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 1273 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2002 23:43:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2002 23:43:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.70) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2002 23:43:16 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.151] by n20.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2002 23:29:22 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:43:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Fw: AM equipment Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001501c1c036$1e220ec0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 653 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.130.117 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Christopher Cuff" wrote: > Can you play music if you pay the royalties? > CC > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: kevtronics > > > As far as I know, there is no restriction against transmitting in > > AM Stereo on the amateur radio bands, as long as you don't play music > > (a big no-no I don't think it is the royalty issue, it is that the ham bands are not intended for entertainment purposes. For instance you couldn't run your own talk show or comedy hour where you would be running a one way transmittion, that would be "broadcasting" in the commercial sense of the word. JSG From Bossmsx@aol.com Thu Feb 28 16:29:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 1 Mar 2002 00:29:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 8382 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2002 00:29:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2002 00:29:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.4) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2002 00:29:30 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.31.23141185 (16113) for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:29:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from web28.aolmail.aol.com (web28.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.4]) by air-id12.mx.aol.com (v83.35) with ESMTP id MAILINID125-0228192922; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:29:22 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:29:21 EST Subject: Re: Stumped To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <31.23141185.29b02562@aol.com> From: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx JSG said: <> Wait...I thought that the first phase shifter only shifted 45 degrees (at least that's what it shows in the diagram)..Did I miss something? I'm not the best when it comes to reading block diagrams... -ts From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu Feb 28 17:18:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 1 Mar 2002 01:18:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 75101 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2002 01:18:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2002 01:18:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.84) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2002 01:18:41 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.135] by n34.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2002 01:18:40 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 01:18:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Stumped Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <31.23141185.29b02562@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 676 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.99 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., Bossmsx@a... wrote: > JSG said: > > <> > > Wait...I thought that the first phase shifter only shifted 45 degrees (at least that's what it shows in the diagram)..Did I miss something? I'm not the best when it comes to reading block diagrams... > > > -ts The label says + & - 45 deg which is atotal of 90 deg. The phase detector is also used to lock the PLL to the IF and this results in the detection of quadrature signal L-R and the L+R is always 90 deg away from that so you will need a 90 deg phase difference for that. From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Feb 28 17:34:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 1 Mar 2002 01:34:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 8306 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2002 01:34:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2002 01:34:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2002 01:34:08 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-158.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.158]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA05702 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:34:07 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <007b01c1c0c1$4f7d08e0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AMS stations streaming in stereo ? Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:34:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Not quite. The engineer claimed it drifted off freq. and that ruined most of the MOSFETs in their transmitter. I can't say it *didn't* happen, but from my experience with Nautels something like that might cause a loss of drive and would cause the transmitter to shut down and not destroy the FETs. Jeff Welton from Nautel is on this list and sometimes contributes. Jeff- could that have happened, or are they just handing us a line? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: jsgilst To: Anyway from what I > heard KOMA used to be in AMS but their exciter kept getting zapped by > lighting and felt that it was a manfacturing problem and wasn't going > to dump any more money into the promlem untill the manufacturer fixed > it. From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Feb 28 17:39:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 1 Mar 2002 01:39:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 10813 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2002 01:39:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2002 01:39:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2002 01:39:41 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-158.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.158]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA06885 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:39:50 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <009001c1c0c2$198c5460$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020228032357.94557.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Former Motorola Employee Comments & CC Bashing Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:36:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Big band/nostalgia. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: joe elias > question i remember the old wow,they played the great > old country music.what are they doing these days.i > used to listen to wow via the > internet.. From joen3wtv@yahoo.com Thu Feb 28 18:32:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: joen3wtv@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 1 Mar 2002 02:32:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 88190 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2002 02:32:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2002 02:32:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11708.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.74) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2002 02:32:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20020301023251.17947.qmail@web11708.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.155.44.87] by web11708.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:32:51 PST Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:32:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Former Motorola Employee Comments & CC Bashing To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <009001c1c0c2$198c5460$d3a9fea9@me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: joe elias X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=35888484 X-Yahoo-Profile: joen3wtv thanks for the info......joe --- Scott Todd wrote: > Big band/nostalgia. > > ST > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: joe elias > > > question i remember the old wow,they played the > great > > old country music.what are they doing these days.i > > used to listen to wow via the > > internet.. > > ===== +++ PRAY THE ROSARY EVERYDAY +++ +++ O MARY CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN PRAY FOR US WHO HAVE RECOURSE TO THEE+++ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu Feb 28 19:18:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 1 Mar 2002 03:18:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 52791 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2002 03:18:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2002 03:18:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.78) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2002 03:18:18 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.144] by n28.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2002 03:18:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 03:18:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: AMS stations streaming in stereo ? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007b01c1c0c1$4f7d08e0$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1288 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.63 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Scott Todd" wrote: > Not quite. The engineer claimed it drifted off freq. and that ruined most > of the MOSFETs in their transmitter. I can't say it *didn't* happen, but > from my experience with Nautels something like that might cause a loss of > drive and would cause the transmitter to shut down and not destroy the FETs. > Jeff Welton from Nautel is on this list and sometimes contributes. Jeff- > could that have happened, or are they just handing us a line? > > Scott Todd > Having all you're outputs blown I guess it could look like a lightning strike and then again drift from center frequency wolud change SWR but the amount of drift necessary to do that I would think would have to be pretty great, way outside the FCC limits of for drift which should of been detected long before the damage occured. The problem maybe hasn't been correctly diagnosed and that was the most likely answer. Like I say, from what I heard, as I read this on the web. The other excuse I heard as to why they didn't fix it was that they were streaming stereo on the web and if you wanted AMS then you had to go to the internet to get it. Well they're no longer web streaming so they need to fix their AMS since they no longer have this excuse. JSG From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Feb 28 22:19:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 1 Mar 2002 06:19:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 91633 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2002 06:19:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2002 06:19:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14206.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.70) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2002 06:19:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20020301061931.81170.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.162.18.173] by web14206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:19:31 PST Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:19:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: NEWS FLASH.... To: Dennis AMstereo IAAAS List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio TOSHIBA 3034 - an IC Chip made in Japan (circa 1987) is really a Motorola MC13020P chip in disguise!!!!! I bought a Chrysler radio which I thought had AMS - and I also thought that it worked too, but it was "blowed-up real-good", so I started to rip it all apart and ran across a familiar-looking 20-pin chip. The double capacitors made me curious enough that I used a Dremel-tool and cut that chunk of the board out, soldered audio and input wires and an LED on and then hooked it up to the I.F. spot on the TM-152 and by golly, the LED lit-up on WJR! It still needs a little fine-tuning, but it would appear that the TOSHIBA 3034 is a CQuam chip clone! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu Feb 28 22:41:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 1 Mar 2002 06:41:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 65738 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2002 06:41:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2002 06:41:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.56) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2002 06:41:51 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.48] by n6.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2002 06:41:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 06:41:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: NEWS FLASH.... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020301061931.81170.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1495 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.246 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., Johnny Electron wrote: > TOSHIBA 3034 - an IC Chip made in Japan (circa 1987) is really a > Motorola MC13020P chip in disguise!!!!! > I bought a Chrysler radio which I thought had AMS - and I also > thought that it worked too, but it was "blowed-up real-good", so I > started to rip it all apart and ran across a familiar-looking 20-pin > chip. The double capacitors made me curious enough that I used a > Dremel-tool and cut that chunk of the board out, soldered audio and > input wires and an LED on and then hooked it up to the I.F. spot on > the TM-152 and by golly, the LED lit-up on WJR! It still needs a > little fine-tuning, but it would appear that the TOSHIBA 3034 is a > CQuam chip clone! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! > http://greetings.yahoo.com It would be interesting to know if the chip is a real Motorola Chip with Toshiba 3034 stamped on it or one they designed to be a drop in replacement for the 13020. If it is a re-design then hopefully they re-designed the cosine corrector circuit which was fatally flawed in the real 13020. The real 13020 would distort badly when the envelope would exceed -100% modulation during interference and skywake reception. If it is a re-dseign and if there are surpluses around then this whould be a simple drop in replacement to improve the sound quality over the real 13020. JSG From joen3wtv@yahoo.com Fri Mar 01 03:50:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: joen3wtv@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 1 Mar 2002 11:50:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 82869 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2002 11:50:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2002 11:50:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11707.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.73) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2002 11:50:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20020301115041.2652.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.155.44.44] by web11707.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Mar 2002 03:50:41 PST Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 03:50:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AMS stations streaming in stereo ? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: joe elias X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=35888484 X-Yahoo-Profile: joen3wtv most if not all clear channel stations are back.at least the ones i listen to.wsm is back.wlac is back wjjz is back.it seems like daily there are more stations being added back to the list of those streaming their audio.......joe --- jsgilst wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@y..., "amstereofan" > <1377.3mp@s...> wrote: > > Anyone got a list which are ? > > > There very few radio stations streaming over the net > AM or FM. > They are all tied up in this royalty payment issue. > This will be > applied retroactively back to the late 90s for those > were streaming. > So in order to cut their losses when the terms are > decided on they > have stopped streaming. www.komaradio.com had a > blurp on this as to > why they stopped streaming but I can't find it now. > Anyway from what I > heard KOMA used to be in AMS but their exciter kept > getting zapped by > lighting and felt that it was a manfacturing problem > and wasn't going > to dump any more money into the promlem untill the > manufacturer fixed > it. > > JSG > > > > ===== +++ PRAY THE ROSARY EVERYDAY +++ +++ O MARY CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN PRAY FOR US WHO HAVE RECOURSE TO THEE+++ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com From jwelton@nautel.com Fri Mar 01 08:29:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 1 Mar 2002 16:29:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 74725 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2002 16:29:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2002 16:29:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserver.nautel.com) (24.222.4.134) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2002 16:29:30 -0000 Received: FROM jeff-welton BY mailserver.nautel.com ; Fri Mar 01 12:29:34 2002 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:25:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: AMS stations streaming in stereo ? Message-ID: <3C7F7330.10897.D9FF2D@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) From: "Jeff Welton" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 > > Having all you're outputs blown I guess it could look like a > > lightning strike and then again drift from center frequency wolud > > change SWR but the amount of drift necessary to do that I would > > think would have to be pretty great, way outside the FCC limits of > > for drift which should of been detected long before the damage > > occured. The problem maybe hasn't been correctly diagnosed and that > > was the most likely answer. Actually, the SWR isn't the issue, as the transmitter is very well protected against that. The problem was that the L-R went crazy, causing sudden, rapid frequency swings that tried to drive the power amplifiers outside of the range for which they were tuned...this created a significant internal mismatch and underdrive situation which caused the rf drive failure and may have contributed to the PA failures - arcing power supply relays took care of the rest. I don't recall the exact mechanics of the CQUAM exciter failure, possibly a single channel limiter issue coupled with an audio problem, or a plain and simple carrier oscillator issue, but it wasn't drift, it was sudden and significant variations in frequency. As to why they aren't repairing it, I suspect they looked at the cost of the failure, vs. the potential revenue loss if they don't broadcast the stereo and decided that running mono was cheap insurance from a repeat of the same failure. Although, as I previously mentioned, my experience is that they wouldn't have the same failure again anyway - equipment keeps finding new ways to fail! FWIW, this is only the second time I have seen an outboard stereo exciter fail in such a way as to cause a frequency shift, the other was much less catastrophic. Regards, Jeff Welton Nautel Customer Service Dept. Tel.: 1-902-823-3900 ext. 127 Fax: 1-902-823-3183 email: jwelton@nautel.com From jwelton@nautel.com Fri Mar 01 08:32:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 1 Mar 2002 16:32:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 24935 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2002 16:32:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2002 16:32:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserver.nautel.com) (24.222.4.134) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2002 16:32:32 -0000 Received: FROM jeff-welton BY mailserver.nautel.com ; Fri Mar 01 12:32:34 2002 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:28:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: AMS stations streaming in stereo ? Message-ID: <3C7F73E5.6935.DCC08A@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) From: "Jeff Welton" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 > Not quite. The engineer claimed it drifted off freq. and that ruined > most of the MOSFETs in their transmitter. I can't say it *didn't* > happen, but from my experience with Nautels something like that might > cause a loss of drive and would cause the transmitter to shut down and > not destroy the FETs. Actually, Scott, it's possible. KOMA has an AMPFET 50 (the first generation 50kW). This transmitter is different from the ND series in that, if the rf drive frequency changes significantly, you don't have the RF DETUNE alarm to shut the transmitter down for protection. You would see an RF DRIVE failure, but depending on the rate and amount of the frequency drift, it's quite possible that you could take out the rf drive amplifier, which our records indicate did happen on a few occasions with this transmitter. In addition, during the shutdowns from the RF DRIVE faults, the old open frame relays that switch the power supply voltage to the power amplifiers drop out and pick up, arcing each time - this will cause power amplifier failures. KOMA has upgraded their relay panels to a different type which are fused and tend not to arc, so PA failures should be less of an issue in the event the CQUAM exciter goes off frequency, but I suspect they are still a little "gun shy", given that it was a fairly expensive failure. As well, they still have the potential issue with loss of the rf drive amplifier. We did make some changes to improve reliability when broadcasting in stereo and there are several AMPFET 50's operating in AM stereo without any problems, but I do understand why management and engineering at KOMA would be nervous about turning the stereo back on, especially due to the failure they experienced. Unfortunately, except for installing a frequency monitor to provide a contact closure in the event frequency changes by more than 20kHz, there's not a lot that can be done for the rf drive issue - possibly a very tight bandpass filter with level detector to inhibit the transmitter, but again, not an easy implementation on this unit. That's about all the info I can provide, except that, no, they are not handing a line in that the failures they describe did happen. Could they happen again? Regarding the PA's, it's much less likely than before, but in RF, nothing is impossible. Regarding the RF Drive amplifier, yes, a similar problem with the CQUAM exciter would cause the same failure in the exciter....although my experience is that things rarely fail the same way twice - it would be too easy to fix them then! Regards, Jeff Welton Nautel Customer Service Dept. Tel.: 1-902-823-3900 ext. 127 Fax: 1-902-823-3183 email: jwelton@nautel.com From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Fri Mar 01 09:40:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 1 Mar 2002 17:40:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 94621 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2002 17:40:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2002 17:40:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.78) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2002 17:40:49 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.175] by n28.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2002 17:40:49 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 17:40:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Another casualty! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 220 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.173.169.120 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 CKSL-Oldies 1410 London is Stereo no more! Too bad since they play music and have always had!!! According to them they ceased broadcasting in in 93 but I swear I have seen the light on a year or two ago. Later, Matt From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Mar 01 10:15:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 1 Mar 2002 18:15:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 95100 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2002 18:15:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2002 18:15:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.65) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2002 18:15:24 -0000 Received: from [216.115.97.83] by n15.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2002 18:14:35 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 18:15:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Another casualty! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 720 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.180 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > CKSL-Oldies 1410 London is Stereo no more! Too bad since they play > music and have always had!!! According to them they ceased > broadcasting in in 93 but I swear I have seen the light on a year or > two ago. I suggest you contact them and ask them what the deal is. If their AM Stereo equipment is still in place, there is no reason why they should not be using it. This info is from their web site at http://www.oldies1410.com/ .... CKSL-AM 1410 743 Wellington Road South London, Ontario N6C 4R5 Main Switchboard - Monday through Friday, 9-5pm (519) 686-2525 Fax Number (519) 686-0775 E-Mail comments@oldies1410.com For Programming information contact: Barry Smith - Operations Manager From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Mar 01 10:42:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 1 Mar 2002 18:41:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 82975 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2002 18:41:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2002 18:41:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14208.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.72) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2002 18:41:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20020301184158.80402.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Mar 2002 10:41:58 PST Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 10:41:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: Hams / Streaming Audio Q&A To: Dennis AMstereo IAAAS List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Greed and Greed, are the answers. Question #1: can Hams broadcast music? They sure did in the 1920's, and were very important in the development of AM broadcasting, and did rebroadcasting for the very early commercial stations. There are no music amateur stations allowed anymore because, as you can imagine, would Clear Channel want competion from non-commercial broacasters playing music in AM stereo (hams)?? Question #2: Why is streaming audio coming back to the net? Reason: becuase the announcers, RIAA, ASCAP, BMI, and all of the corrupt record companies have devised a way to charge a station for rebroadcasting their own station over the net, a station that they already pay royalties for. Makes me sick. Part 15 AMS is the best way to go for right now. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Mar 01 11:14:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 1 Mar 2002 19:14:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 16698 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2002 19:14:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2002 19:14:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14208.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.72) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2002 19:14:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20020301191442.88118.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Mar 2002 11:14:42 PST Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:14:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: Spread the Word...AMS is here... To: Dennis AMstereo IAAAS List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio My fellow Americans, Australianites and Canadians: As the Hamfest and Computerfest season approaches, let’s see if we can’t get some sort of AMS publications at these Hamfests to spread the word (the truth about phantom ‘loss of coverage area’ myth) about AM Stereo. The hams are likely to want Alfredo Lites, and I’ve got to believe that nearly every decent station engineer is also a licensed radio amateur (ham). Thoughts everyone? (By the way, what do you call the residents of Oz – Ozites, Ozonians, Oznites, Aussies?) And I would like the formal name, not slanderous too. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Mar 01 11:15:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 1 Mar 2002 19:15:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 85118 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2002 19:15:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2002 19:15:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2002 19:15:10 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-140.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.140]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA17102 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:15:19 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <002701c1c155$8dc58e80$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AMS stations streaming in stereo ? Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:16:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Crystals have been known to fracture and go several KHz off freq. Not as common nowadays. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: jsgilst > but > the amount of drift necessary to do that I would think would have to > be pretty great, way outside the FCC limits of for drift which should > of been detected long before the damage occured. From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Mar 01 11:45:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 1 Mar 2002 19:44:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 57393 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2002 19:44:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2002 19:44:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2002 19:44:57 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-111.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.111]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA23566 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:45:00 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <007801c1c159$b712d780$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another casualty! Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:43:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Ask them if they still have the equipment and how much they'd want for it, or else post a contact number and I can do it. Thanks, Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: matt_haw2000 To: Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 11:40 AM Subject: {AMSF} Another casualty! > CKSL-Oldies 1410 London is Stereo no more! Too bad since they play > music and have always had!!! According to them they ceased > broadcasting in in 93 but I swear I have seen the light on a year or > two ago. > > Later, > Matt > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Mar 01 13:20:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 1 Mar 2002 21:20:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 66390 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2002 21:20:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2002 21:20:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2002 21:20:24 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.192]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 16:15:21 -0500 Message-ID: <001c01c1c166$252521e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <20020301191442.88118.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Spread the Word...AMS is here... Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 16:14:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Didn't Ben say it was "cobbers".?... :-) cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Johnny Electron > (By the way, what do you call the residents of Oz - Ozites, Ozonians, > Oznites, Aussies?) And I would like the formal name, not slanderous > too. > > From jsgil@hal-pc.org Fri Mar 01 14:54:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 1 Mar 2002 22:54:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 6878 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2002 22:54:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2002 22:54:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.63) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2002 22:54:23 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.89] by n13.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2002 22:34:37 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 22:54:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Hams / Streaming Audio Q&A Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020301184158.80402.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1014 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.132.174 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., Johnny Electron wrote: > Greed and Greed, are the answers. > Question #1: can Hams broadcast music? They sure did in the 1920's, > and were very important in the development of AM broadcasting, and > did rebroadcasting for the very early commercial stations. There are > no music amateur stations allowed anymore because, as you can > imagine, would Clear Channel want competion from non-commercial > broacasters playing music in AM stereo (hams)?? I don't think it is a competition issue. If music was allowed then these broadcasting conglomerates would either hire people with ham licenses or train them to get a license so they could pollute the ham bands with the same stuff in the commercial bands in the pursiut of profit. The concept of ham radio is to preserve radio history and promote the electronic radio technology or something like that, not for a comercial entity to exploit the ham bands. It's one of the questions for a ham radio license. JSG From joen3wtv@yahoo.com Fri Mar 01 15:23:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: joen3wtv@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 1 Mar 2002 23:23:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 55698 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2002 23:23:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2002 23:23:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11708.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.74) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2002 23:23:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20020301232348.42849.qmail@web11708.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.155.45.37] by web11708.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Mar 2002 15:23:48 PST Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:23:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hams / Streaming Audio Q&A To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: joe elias X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=35888484 X-Yahoo-Profile: joen3wtv personally im happy the Fcc doesnt permit us to broadcast.tune around 20 meters sometime when the band conditions are good.what an ugly mess it would be.in my younger days when i was a cber we had a few wannabe djs.they would render a channel useless for hours....joe --- jsgilst wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@y..., Johnny Electron > > wrote: > > Greed and Greed, are the answers. > > Question #1: can Hams broadcast music? They sure > did in the 1920's, > > and were very important in the development of AM > broadcasting, and > > did rebroadcasting for the very early commercial > stations. There > are > > no music amateur stations allowed anymore because, > as you can > > imagine, would Clear Channel want competion from > non-commercial > > broacasters playing music in AM stereo (hams)?? > > I don't think it is a competition issue. If music > was allowed then > these broadcasting conglomerates would either hire > people with ham > licenses or train them to get a license so they > could pollute the > ham bands with the same stuff in the commercial > bands in the pursiut > of profit. The concept of ham radio is to preserve > radio history and > promote the electronic radio technology or something > like that, not > for a comercial entity to exploit the ham bands. > It's one of the > questions for a ham radio license. > > JSG > > > ===== +++ PRAY THE ROSARY EVERYDAY +++ +++ O MARY CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN PRAY FOR US WHO HAVE RECOURSE TO THEE+++ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com From joen3wtv@yahoo.com Fri Mar 01 15:26:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: joen3wtv@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 1 Mar 2002 23:26:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 23489 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2002 23:26:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2002 23:26:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11704.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.70) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2002 23:26:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20020301232609.86418.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.155.45.37] by web11704.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Mar 2002 15:26:09 PST Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:26:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hams / Streaming Audio Q&A To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: joe elias X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=35888484 X-Yahoo-Profile: joen3wtv one more thought.invest in lpfm.the concept was wonderful.but thanks to clear channel ,its not cheap to get into.but it would be worth it.it would be good competition to the garbage on the airwaves now...joe --- jsgilst wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@y..., Johnny Electron > > wrote: > > Greed and Greed, are the answers. > > Question #1: can Hams broadcast music? They sure > did in the 1920's, > > and were very important in the development of AM > broadcasting, and > > did rebroadcasting for the very early commercial > stations. There > are > > no music amateur stations allowed anymore because, > as you can > > imagine, would Clear Channel want competion from > non-commercial > > broacasters playing music in AM stereo (hams)?? > > I don't think it is a competition issue. If music > was allowed then > these broadcasting conglomerates would either hire > people with ham > licenses or train them to get a license so they > could pollute the > ham bands with the same stuff in the commercial > bands in the pursiut > of profit. The concept of ham radio is to preserve > radio history and > promote the electronic radio technology or something > like that, not > for a comercial entity to exploit the ham bands. > It's one of the > questions for a ham radio license. > > JSG > > > ===== +++ PRAY THE ROSARY EVERYDAY +++ +++ O MARY CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN PRAY FOR US WHO HAVE RECOURSE TO THEE+++ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com From KC4QLP@aol.com Fri Mar 01 16:06:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 2 Mar 2002 00:06:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 16900 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2002 00:06:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2002 00:06:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d08.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.40) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2002 00:06:49 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.a8.7663932 (4413) for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 19:06:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 19:06:41 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Fw: AM equipment To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 2/28/02 4:04:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, ccuff@in4web.com writes: << Can you play music if you pay the royalties? CC ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics > As far as I know, there is no restriction against transmitting in > AM Stereo on the amateur radio bands, as long as you don't play music > (a big no-no >> Well Chris....I suppose one could play music....but you would eventually pay "royalties" to the FCC in the means of a fine when they come knocking on the door. The Ham radio service is a two way radio system..so that makes broadcasting a no-no. Although there is K1MAN {a station that blantly breaks FCC rules everytime it fires up on the amateur bands} and W1AW in Newington CT that broadcast ham radio related material...more like a ham radio news outlet...{no music is suppose to be involved} I the case of K1MAN ...it is a W1AW want a be station. Often there is no control operator present.During some FCC visits..the FCC would approach the K1MAN transmitting sites,only to find nobody home. Sounds just like the way many radio stations operate today Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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I am looking for an AM stereo radio in one of the following formats in order of desire: boom box (w/ outputs), table top (w/ outputs), walkman, [audio] component tuner, receiver, car stereo. I would appreciate any leads. Thanks in advance. James B From jsgil@hal-pc.org Fri Mar 01 20:24:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 2 Mar 2002 04:24:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 1329 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2002 04:24:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2002 04:24:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.73) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2002 04:24:01 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.48] by n23.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2002 04:23:48 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 04:23:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: AM equipment Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <12c.d3691b2.29af04f6@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1348 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.248 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., KC4QLP@a... wrote: > In a message dated 2/27/02 10:25:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, > joen3wtv@y... writes: > I'm presently about to try AM Stereo using a Kenwood TS-440-S I have > modified the transmitter part so that I dont have to depend on the internal > method of modulating the carrier,which means I can have the rig in the FM > mode while transmitting and still transmit an AM modulated signal....and also > I could have a low level modulated FM signal on top of that...perhaps make a > change somewheres and turn it into PM instead of FM...add a 25hz pilot and > whhhaaaallll!...hopefully something that would resemble AM Stereo. FM and Linear PM are mathematically related and it would be easy to put out a PM compatible signal with an FM modulator. I you send the signal through a differentiator (A linear 6db/oct. amplitude increase as you increase in frequency with a +90deg phase shift across the whole audio band) the output will be a PM compatible modulation or commonly known as indirect PM. What you would have is a Magnavox AM/PM AM Stereo transmittion. Magnavox used the opposite approach for decoding. They used an FM detector and sent it through an intergrater in the National Semiconductor chip LM1981. intergrate PM ---------> FM derivative FM ---------> PM JSG From jsgil@hal-pc.org Fri Mar 01 20:45:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 2 Mar 2002 04:45:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 22180 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2002 04:45:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2002 04:45:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.62) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2002 04:45:38 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.38] by n12.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2002 04:45:37 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 04:45:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Looking for hardware Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1081 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.248 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "gaddustore" wrote: > Help! I am looking for an AM stereo radio in one of the following > formats in order of desire: boom box (w/ outputs), table top (w/ > outputs), walkman, [audio] component tuner, receiver, car stereo. > I would appreciate any leads. Thanks in advance. > > James B For Starters you can go to: http://www.amstereoradio.com/amsradios/index.html to see what to look for. Then go on eBay and do a search on "AM Stereo" or C-QUAM . A lot of entries are listed as FM/AM Stereo for FM Stereo/AM Mono radios which is misleading and they will be pulled up also so you will need to read the descriptions closely. Usually if the person knows what he's selling then he will specificly say "This radio has AM Stereo also" or something along those lines. If it is a good model then there will be many bids on it towards the end of the auction and the prices can climb fairly high at times. Two of the best are the Denon NAB tuner and a Chrysler car radio that has a fader joystick in the bottom right corner. JSG From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Mar 02 08:24:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 2 Mar 2002 16:24:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 66455 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2002 16:24:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2002 16:24:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2002 16:24:45 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-184.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.184]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA08226 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 10:24:55 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <008501c1c206$ebd85460$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020301191442.88118.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Spread the Word...AMS is here... Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 10:25:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude The idea of public demonstrations was highly recommended by a businessman friend of a friend. I'd be willing to do something like this, but the one problem I have is what do I use as a program source? I was the winning bidder on one of those Delcos recently posted, and I have an Alfredo Lite (still need to modify for more power), but I have only a boombox with hissette as my only battery operated source of programming; not a preferred item. Chris, do you ever run across MD or portable CD players real cheap? ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Johnny Electron > My fellow Americans, Australianites and Canadians: > As the Hamfest and Computerfest season approaches, let's see if we > can't get some sort of AMS publications at these Hamfests to spread > the word (the truth about phantom 'loss of coverage area' myth) about > AM Stereo. The hams are likely to want Alfredo Lites, and I've got > to believe that nearly every decent station engineer is also a > licensed radio amateur (ham). Thoughts everyone? From 1377.3mp@start.com.au Sat Mar 02 11:11:14 2002 Return-Path: <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Sender: 1377.3mp@start.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 2 Mar 2002 19:11:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 30896 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2002 19:11:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2002 19:11:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.63) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2002 19:11:13 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.163] by n13.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2002 18:51:20 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 19:11:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: AMS stations streaming in stereo ? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020301115041.2652.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1631 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Originating-IP: 213.121.68.122 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69495942 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan WLAC is NOT streaming at the moment and WJJZ is only MONO :-( I'm looking for AMS stations streaming in AMS quality which seem to be few these days as you say... --- In amstereoforum@y..., joe elias wrote: > most if not all clear channel stations are back.at > least the ones i listen to.wsm is back.wlac is back > wjjz is back.it seems like daily there are more > stations being added back to the list of those > streaming their audio.......joe > --- jsgilst wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@y..., "amstereofan" > > <1377.3mp@s...> wrote: > > > Anyone got a list which are ? > > > > > > There very few radio stations streaming over the net > > AM or FM. > > They are all tied up in this royalty payment issue. > > This will be > > applied retroactively back to the late 90s for those > > were streaming. > > So in order to cut their losses when the terms are > > decided on they > > have stopped streaming. www.komaradio.com had a > > blurp on this as to > > why they stopped streaming but I can't find it now. > > Anyway from what I > > heard KOMA used to be in AMS but their exciter kept > > getting zapped by > > lighting and felt that it was a manfacturing problem > > and wasn't going > > to dump any more money into the promlem untill the > > manufacturer fixed > > it. > > > > JSG > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > +++ PRAY THE ROSARY EVERYDAY +++ > +++ O MARY CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN PRAY FOR US WHO HAVE RECOURSE TO THEE+++ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! > http://greetings.yahoo.com From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sat Mar 02 12:06:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 2 Mar 2002 20:06:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 69848 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2002 20:06:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2002 20:06:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.58) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2002 20:06:28 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.89] by n8.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2002 20:06:28 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 20:06:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Spread the Word...AMS is here... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008501c1c206$ebd85460$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1855 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.245 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Scott Todd" wrote: I'd be willing to do something like this, but the one > problem I have is what do I use as a program source? One place to look for used portable MP3 players is eBay. Some of the newer players also will play MP3 files and these are comming down in price. This will allow hany hours of program material like 8-9 hrs to be placed on one disc and can be started and left alone for an operation free transmittion. Just to touch on the topic of program material. As much as I dislike audio compression I feel some of it is necessary along with some other processing to overcome some of the s/n problems and modulation levels to maximize signal loudness especially for part 15 transmitters. Here in the digital age a lot of the pre-processing that the original Alfredo did can now be done with a computer. Compression, upper frequency limiting, and spike removeal will all help to improve signal loudness. High frequency content is great but if there is a large amount of harmonics present above 10 KHZ then this can rob you of appreciable amount of headroom in the form of spikes and since most IF filtering does not pass this it is wasted and an along with a modulation approaching 100% at the detector because the headroom that was used for the HF is not used. One of Kahn's tricks was to send the signal through an all pass audio phase shifter to shift the harmonics so they didn't ride on top the lower frequency fundamentals. It was noted that some peoples voices tended to have this problem while others didn't and even though they sounded as loud as the other, one would rob the modulation headroom. To demonstrate this distort the phase of a square wave and the tops and bottoms will no longer be flat but will spike up well above the amplitude the non phase distorted wave. JSG From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sat Mar 02 13:53:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 2 Mar 2002 21:53:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 48456 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2002 21:53:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2002 21:53:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.195) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2002 21:53:03 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 13:53:03 -0800 Received: from 209.240.222.130 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 02 Mar 2002 21:53:03 GMT To: amstereo@nrcdxas.org, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: Bob.Betcher@scripps.com Bcc: Subject: You know radio is really getting bad when..... Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 21:53:03 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Mar 2002 21:53:03.0741 (UTC) FILETIME=[A0F25AD0:01C1C234] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.222.130] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 You know radio programming is really bad when........ the St Petersburg Times, which has virtually ignored radio for the last 7 years.(except for printing press releases and promotional items) has an editorial on radio programming. I've mentioned before I have to look to the Stuart News and writer Bob Betcher for any regular Florida radio news. Here is an excerpt from today's (2nd March 2002) editorial: ~~~~ The Radio Industry has come ~~~~ under the control of a handful of media conglomerates that shove the same formulas into the ears of listeners from Seattle to Sanibel. If you're tired of hearing 1970s dinosaurs, generic rappers, thrash trashmouths and treacly Britneys and Backstreets, you're out of luck. Clear Channel Communications, the biggest conglomerate of all, would rather play the squeals of a castrated and slaughtered pig than the gorgeous songs of Lucinda Williams or Alison Krauss. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Here is the link for the complete editorial: http://www.sptimes.com/2002/03/02/Opinion/O__where_art_thou_on_.shtml Has anyone else on the list found an editorial on this same subject that is near and dear to our hearts? If so please share. donn clearly in ClearChannel Dominated St Petersburg (an am-stereo free zone) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Mar 02 14:04:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 2 Mar 2002 22:04:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 45664 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2002 22:04:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2002 22:04:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.82) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2002 22:04:33 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.43] by n32.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2002 22:04:33 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 22:04:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Spread the Word...AMS is here... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008501c1c206$ebd85460$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2179 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.76.39 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I'd be willing to do something like this, but the one problem I have > is what do I use as a program source? I was the winning bidder on > one of those Delcos recently posted, and I have an Alfredo Lite > (still need to modify for more power), but I have only a boombox > with hissette as my only battery operated source of programming; not > a preferred item. I personally use an older Pentium laptop loaded up with music in MP3, MusePack, and Ogg Vorbis format, but if you need it to be battery operated that is not ideal because unless you add on an extra-capacity battery it's only going to last 3 hours or so, at most. Another good alternative is a "DiscMan"-style portable CD player with MP3 playback capability. On your home computer (assuming you have the right software and capable hardware) you can burn a CD full of MP3 files with pre-applied audio processing. Then the portable unit plays the MP3 CD as if it were a regular CD, except with the compression you can fit a lot more music on it -- enough for doing a long presentation without repeating the same songs (unless you want to). MiniDisc is also good -- I personally love the format -- but it is a bit more expensive. However that expense may be worth it because of the extra convenience. Unlike CD-R's, MiniDiscs can be re-recorded at will and you can re-arrange the tracks without redoing the whole disc. You don't even need a computer because any good MiniDisc unit has both playback and recording capability. MiniDiscs are about $2 each which isn't bad, and they hold 74 or 80 minutes of music, the same as a CD. As for plain CDs, the portable "DiscMan"-type CD players are going for as little as $19.95 each, and the sound quality should still be pretty good. If you are playing regular CDs, you won't be able to run too much modulation out of the Alfredo Lite transmitter because the lack of audio processing would cause overmodulation and a "spitting" effect on treble peaks. In this case, cassettes would actually sound better because they already have some audio processing built-in in order to get enough modulation on the tape to "cover up" the background hiss. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Mar 02 15:04:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 2 Mar 2002 23:04:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 74792 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2002 23:04:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2002 23:04:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.54) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2002 23:04:40 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.154] by n4.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2002 23:04:39 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 23:04:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM Stereo Fest Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3278 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.76.39 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Today at a local "hamfest" (amateur radio show) I did a demonstration of AM Stereo and I can say I am pleased with the amount of interest and response I received. I printed up 50 copies of an information sheet (some basic info on AM Stereo, a listing of local AM Stereo stations, and pointers to the AM Stereo web sites) and had four MC13028 decoder modules on hand, and that turned out to be perfect because show-goers took all but one of the hand-outs, and I sold three of the decoders (including one sold to a former Motorola employee). Also as part of the display I had an Alfredo Lite transmitter, a Sony SRF-A100, a MetroSound tuner, Chrysler and Delco car radios, and an old Hallicrafters shortwave radio converted with the MC13028 decoder (lots of people wanted to buy it but I had to say no!). A few people asked about using the MC13028 for synchronous detection and I tentatively said it is possible, as I know the MC13020 can be successfully adapted for it, and it appears the '028 uses synchronous detection as part of its internal working process. A good number of people were already familiar with AM Stereo, although not many expected it to still be popular today. However, a few had already visited the www.AMStereoRadio.com web site, and one even mentioned the discussions on the Ramsey Electronics web site about them possibly selling AM Stereo receiver and transmitter kits. On my info sheet I did include a mention of this Forum, so hopefully we shall be getting a few new members. I didn't spend too much time perusing the rest of the show, but I did obtain two interesting finds: a Sansui home tuner/cassette player/amplifier unit, circa early/mid '80s (sorry, no AM Stereo) that looks fairly normal except it includes coverage of the Shortwave band from 4 to 12 MHz. This one is going to need a little TLC because although the Shortwave band works fine, its AM band only picks up the strongest local stations, and the FM band is completely dead (not that I care much!). A more exciting acquisition for me is a classic 1980s full-size "boom-box" by Sanyo that is in perfect visual and functional condition. In addition to a pair of 6-1/2 inch speakers that will put any bookshelf stereo system to shame with their bass output, it features AM (mono) and FM as well as two Shortwave bands, covering 2 to 7 and 7 to 22 MHz, with a handy Fine Tuning knob that also works on AM. Although its reception and sound quality on AM and SW aren't out of this world, it is certainly well above average in both respects, and would make an ideal candidate for AM Stereo conversion. It also has a cassette recorder with AM "beat cancel" switch and two built-in microphones in case you want to make "live" STEREO recordings. This was most likely Sanyo's top-of-the-line model at the time and I love its very large, imposing size (definitely worthy of "ghetto blaster" status) with fancy speaker grilles and lots of chrome. They don't make radios like this anymore! [I am reminded of the jokes by Joey Reynolds and/or Howard Stern on 66 WNBC that when they added Kahn AM Stereo in the '80s, people would be walking down the street with two boom-boxes, one on each shoulder, to get the "dual radio" Stereo effect!] From joen3wtv@yahoo.com Sat Mar 02 15:07:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: joen3wtv@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 2 Mar 2002 23:07:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 14964 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2002 23:07:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2002 23:07:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11706.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.72) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2002 23:07:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20020302230723.71956.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.170.170.31] by web11706.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Mar 2002 15:07:23 PST Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 15:07:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo Fest[just a question] To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: joe elias X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=35888484 X-Yahoo-Profile: joen3wtv where was the ham fest held....joe --- kevtronics wrote: > Today at a local "hamfest" (amateur radio show) I > did a demonstration > of AM Stereo and I can say I am pleased with the > amount of interest > and response I received. > > I printed up 50 copies of an information sheet (some > basic info on AM > Stereo, a listing of local AM Stereo stations, and > pointers to the AM > Stereo web sites) and had four MC13028 decoder > modules on hand, and > that turned out to be perfect because show-goers > took all but one of > the hand-outs, and I sold three of the decoders > (including one sold to > a former Motorola employee). > > Also as part of the display I had an Alfredo Lite > transmitter, a Sony > SRF-A100, a MetroSound tuner, Chrysler and Delco car > radios, and an > old Hallicrafters shortwave radio converted with the > MC13028 decoder > (lots of people wanted to buy it but I had to say > no!). > > A few people asked about using the MC13028 for > synchronous detection > and I tentatively said it is possible, as I know the > MC13020 can be > successfully adapted for it, and it appears the '028 > uses synchronous > detection as part of its internal working process. > > A good number of people were already familiar with > AM Stereo, although > not many expected it to still be popular today. > However, a few had > already visited the www.AMStereoRadio.com web site, > and one even > mentioned the discussions on the Ramsey Electronics > web site about > them possibly selling AM Stereo receiver and > transmitter kits. On my > info sheet I did include a mention of this Forum, so > hopefully we > shall be getting a few new members. > > I didn't spend too much time perusing the rest of > the show, but I did > obtain two interesting finds: a Sansui home > tuner/cassette > player/amplifier unit, circa early/mid '80s (sorry, > no AM Stereo) that > looks fairly normal except it includes coverage of > the Shortwave band > from 4 to 12 MHz. This one is going to need a > little TLC because > although the Shortwave band works fine, its AM band > only picks up the > strongest local stations, and the FM band is > completely dead (not that > I care much!). > > A more exciting acquisition for me is a classic > 1980s full-size > "boom-box" by Sanyo that is in perfect visual and > functional > condition. In addition to a pair of 6-1/2 inch > speakers that will put > any bookshelf stereo system to shame with their bass > output, it > features AM (mono) and FM as well as two Shortwave > bands, covering 2 > to 7 and 7 to 22 MHz, with a handy Fine Tuning knob > that also works on > AM. Although its reception and sound quality on AM > and SW aren't out > of this world, it is certainly well above average in > both respects, > and would make an ideal candidate for AM Stereo > conversion. It also > has a cassette recorder with AM "beat cancel" switch > and two built-in > microphones in case you want to make "live" STEREO > recordings. > > This was most likely Sanyo's top-of-the-line model > at the time and I > love its very large, imposing size (definitely > worthy of "ghetto > blaster" status) with fancy speaker grilles and lots > of chrome. They > don't make radios like this anymore! [I am reminded > of the jokes by > Joey Reynolds and/or Howard Stern on 66 WNBC that > when they added Kahn > AM Stereo in the '80s, people would be walking down > the street with > two boom-boxes, one on each shoulder, to get the > "dual radio" Stereo > effect!] > > > ===== +++ PRAY THE ROSARY EVERYDAY +++ +++ O MARY CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN PRAY FOR US WHO HAVE RECOURSE TO THEE+++ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sat Mar 02 15:16:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 2 Mar 2002 23:16:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 91988 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2002 23:16:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2002 23:16:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.85) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2002 23:16:46 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.131] by n35.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2002 23:16:46 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 23:16:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: You know radio is really getting bad when..... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1839 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.208 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Donn Tillman" wrote: > > > > You know radio programming is really bad when........ > > the St Petersburg Times, which has virtually ignored radio for the last 7 > years.(except for printing press releases and promotional items) has an > editorial on radio programming. > > I've mentioned before I have to look to the Stuart News and writer Bob > Betcher for any regular Florida radio news. > > Here is an excerpt from today's (2nd March 2002) editorial: > > ~~~~ The Radio Industry has come ~~~~ under the control of a handful of > media conglomerates that shove the same formulas into the ears of listeners > from Seattle to Sanibel. > > If you're tired of hearing 1970s dinosaurs, generic rappers, thrash > trashmouths and treacly Britneys and Backstreets, you're out of luck. > I personally like some of the older music as I grew up in the 70's but I also like 50's and 60's and a little of the big band stuff. I have to say as I went into the 80s and 90s that there were fewer and fewer new artists that I like unless they play an older style of music during the 50s - 70s and I guess this kind of dates me. The record industry must be in pretty bad shape if they can't find better artists than this. What they have done with programming is take all the songs from the top 10 or so throughout the decades and play only those which is a small subset of the vast library of music out there. Some of them were great songs until they ruined them for me by playing them into the ground. This is the nitch that AMS can fill as the AM band doesn't seem to be in this stranglehold programming that FM is in although it is dominated news and sports but the chances of having a radio show with spirit that plays from a wide list of songs has a better chance on AM. JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Mar 02 15:24:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 2 Mar 2002 23:24:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 41520 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2002 23:24:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2002 23:24:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.58) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2002 23:24:26 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.178] by n8.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2002 23:24:26 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 23:24:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo Fest[just a question] Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020302230723.71956.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 612 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.76.39 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > where was the ham fest held....joe Parsippany, NJ.... about 30 miles east of New York City. I was there last year as well, although that time I didn't have as elaborate of an AM Stereo demo. BTW.... I thought my Sanyo boom-box was top-of-the-line, but not in comparison to this: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1335403501 Although still no AM Stereo, I gotta give Sanyo credit for making a blaster-sized boom box with LONGWAVE in addition to Shortwave and "MW" (a.k.a. AM).... but my erstwhile model only cost me $20, whereas this one has a current bid price of over $150! From joen3wtv@yahoo.com Sat Mar 02 15:39:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: joen3wtv@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 2 Mar 2002 23:39:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 2537 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2002 23:39:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2002 23:39:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11704.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.70) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2002 23:39:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20020302233938.88862.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.170.170.31] by web11704.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Mar 2002 15:39:38 PST Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 15:39:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Fest[just a question] To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: joe elias X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=35888484 X-Yahoo-Profile: joen3wtv thanks for the info.ham fest season is just getting started down south.we had the annual one in greenwood ,sc in january.and there is one coming up in the next few weeks in north carolina somewhere...joe --- kevtronics wrote: > > where was the ham fest held....joe > > Parsippany, NJ.... about 30 miles east of New York > City. I was there > last year as well, although that time I didn't have > as elaborate of an > AM Stereo demo. > > BTW.... I thought my Sanyo boom-box was > top-of-the-line, but not in > comparison to this: > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1335403501 > > Although still no AM Stereo, I gotta give Sanyo > credit for making a > blaster-sized boom box with LONGWAVE in addition to > Shortwave and "MW" > (a.k.a. AM).... but my erstwhile model only cost me > $20, whereas this > one has a current bid price of over $150! > > > ===== +++ PRAY THE ROSARY EVERYDAY +++ +++ O MARY CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN PRAY FOR US WHO HAVE RECOURSE TO THEE+++ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Mar 02 16:17:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 3 Mar 2002 00:17:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 20620 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2002 00:17:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2002 00:17:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.4) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2002 00:17:38 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.158.9d73993 (30963) for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 19:17:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <158.9d73993.29b2c59c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 19:17:32 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Fest[just a question] To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 3/2/02 7:00:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, joen3wtv@yahoo.com writes: << thanks for the info.ham fest season is just getting started down south.we had the annual one in greenwood ,sc in january.and there is one coming up in the next few weeks in north carolina somewhere...joe >> Hamfest season really starts in Jan/Feb with the Frostfest in Richmond Va...{a very busy fest..people from Baltimore to SC come to this one} and the hamfest to end the season is the Va Beach Ham radio/Computer show in Sept. There are several large and small hamfest in NC and Va throughout the spring and summer......sounds like it would be a great time to spread the word about AM stereo. I would do this as well....but only if I had more free time..wish I have very little of. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! 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Just makes your comments a bit easier to find. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: joe elias To: Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 5:07 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo Fest[just a question] > where was the ham fest held....joe > --- kevtronics wrote: From joen3wtv@yahoo.com Sat Mar 02 16:22:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: joen3wtv@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 3 Mar 2002 00:22:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 72916 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2002 00:22:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2002 00:22:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11706.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.72) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2002 00:22:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20020303002240.83464.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.170.170.31] by web11706.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Mar 2002 16:22:40 PST Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 16:22:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo Fest[just a question] To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001901c1c249$5321a6c0$d3a9fea9@me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: joe elias X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=35888484 X-Yahoo-Profile: joen3wtv ok ] > > > > where was the ham fest held....joe > > --- kevtronics wrote: > > > ===== +++ PRAY THE ROSARY EVERYDAY +++ +++ O MARY CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN PRAY FOR US WHO HAVE RECOURSE TO THEE+++ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Mar 02 16:35:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 3 Mar 2002 00:35:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 56632 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2002 00:35:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2002 00:35:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2002 00:35:14 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-137.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.137]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA10028 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 18:35:25 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <002f01c1c24b$7188a1c0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Spread the Word...AMS is here... Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 18:36:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Dude, I couldn't begin to afford all that stuff you're talking about. Forget about learning to do all that stuff on the computer. Not enough hours in a day to do it. Hopefully I'll have my full scale Alfredo ready to go. I don't have that many CDs to choose from. Most of what I've got is Christian rock, alternative, punk and black gospel. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics > > I personally use an older Pentium laptop loaded up with music in MP3, > MusePack, and Ogg Vorbis format, > Another good alternative is a "DiscMan"-style portable CD player with > MP3 playback capability. On your home computer (assuming you have the > right software and capable hardware) you can burn a CD full of MP3 > files with pre-applied audio processing. > > MiniDisc is also good -- I personally love the format -- but it is a > bit more expensive. However that expense may be worth it because of > the extra convenience. Unlike CD-R's, MiniDiscs can be re-recorded at > will and you can re-arrange the tracks without redoing the whole disc. > You don't even need a computer because any good MiniDisc unit has both > playback and recording capability. MiniDiscs are about $2 each which > isn't bad, and they hold 74 or 80 minutes of music, the same as a CD. > > As for plain CDs, the portable "DiscMan"-type CD players are going for > as little as $19.95 each, and the sound quality should still be pretty > good. If you are playing regular CDs, you won't be able to run too > much modulation out of the Alfredo Lite transmitter because the lack > of audio processing would cause overmodulation and a "spitting" effect > on treble peaks. From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Mar 02 16:45:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 3 Mar 2002 00:45:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 34628 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2002 00:45:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2002 00:45:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2002 00:45:41 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-137.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.137]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA11129; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 18:45:50 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000901c1c24c$e6aec140$d3a9fea9@me> To: , Subject: City Pages Radio Radio Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 18:46:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some opinion from our very own City Pages in the MSP area. ST http://citypages.com/databank/23/1107/article10161.asp?page=2 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Mar 02 16:47:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 3 Mar 2002 00:47:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 21864 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2002 00:47:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2002 00:47:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m07.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.162) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2002 00:47:44 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.1e.240d08f0 (30963) for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 19:47:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1e.240d08f0.29b2cc96@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 19:47:18 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Vancouver Check To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 2/28/02 5:11:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, Bossmsx@aol.com writes: << <> Yeah, but what would be the point of transmitting a pilot tone for PowerSIDE? Pretty pointless if you ask me. -Tony S. >> I just wonder how many Powerside stations sneek in some stereo content from time to time....illegal it would be,but in this day and time....ya never know. 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I also heard that the FCC C-QuAM adoption protected the 25 Hz pilot tone so the decoders wouldn't switch to stereo on the other systems if they tried to move their pilot tone to 25 Hz so they would go through the C-QuAM decoders. I really don't see the big deal (illegal) if someone was transmitting Kahn stereo when their pilot tone is at 15 Hz since the C-QuAM decoders are only supposed to trigger on 25 Hz. Since the Kahn system is envelope compatible it's not like it causes any trouble with radios either a mono or a C-QuAM stereo receiving as mono. JSG From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Mar 02 17:14:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 3 Mar 2002 01:14:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 45545 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2002 01:14:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2002 01:14:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2002 01:14:29 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-137.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.137]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA14554; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 19:14:39 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <003b01c1c250$ed3796a0$d3a9fea9@me> To: , Subject: PS to the url Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 19:15:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you read page 3 of the online City Pages article, you'll read about some of my friends from my previous job at KTIS, and on page 5 about one of my current stations, The Patriot. ST [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sat Mar 02 17:18:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 3 Mar 2002 01:18:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 12738 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2002 01:18:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2002 01:18:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.57) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2002 01:18:12 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.161] by n7.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2002 01:18:08 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 01:18:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Spread the Word...AMS is here... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002f01c1c24b$7188a1c0$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 922 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.229 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Scott Todd" wrote: > Dude, I couldn't begin to afford all that stuff you're talking about. > Forget about learning to do all that stuff on the computer. Not enough > hours in a day to do it. Hopefully I'll have my full scale Alfredo ready to > go. I don't have that many CDs to choose from. Most of what I've got is > Christian rock, alternative, punk and black gospel. > > ST Maybe we could put together a compilation CD full of MP3s of some of the songs that really make AMS stand out and really sound good. Have all of the audio pre-processing done and all you would need to do is put it in a MP3 compatible portable CD player and run it into the AMS transmitter. If we could find somebody to host a 650 MB file of an ISO image it could be transfered over the web to those who were doing the demonstrations if they had broadband. If not it could just be mailed. JSG From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Mar 02 17:21:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 3 Mar 2002 01:21:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 45868 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2002 01:21:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2002 01:21:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2002 01:21:56 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-137.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.137]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA15621 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 19:22:06 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <006301c1c251$f7588e40$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Spread the Word...AMS is here... Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 19:23:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Haven't got a CD player that will handle MP3 encoded disks. How much should expect to pay for one? ST ----- Original Message ----- From: jsgilst > Maybe we could put together a compilation CD full of MP3s of some > of the songs that really make AMS stand out and really sound good. From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Mar 02 17:25:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 3 Mar 2002 01:25:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 10706 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2002 01:25:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2002 01:25:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2002 01:25:00 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-137.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.137]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA16028 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 19:25:09 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <006a01c1c252$64c196c0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Spread the Word...AMS is here... Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 19:26:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude PS- would like to see the proposed playlist first. Not too much stuff I'd object to, but there's a few. I'd love to get Kraftwerk's AUTOBAHN on there. I do have it, but only on vinyl. ST Maybe we could put together a compilation CD full of MP3s of some From amfmdx@fastq.com Sat Mar 02 17:27:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 3 Mar 2002 01:27:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 25641 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2002 01:27:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2002 01:27:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2002 01:27:15 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d151-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.183]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g231RDn60400 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 18:27:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <027601c1c252$310989a0$3ef9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Kahn Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 18:24:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 > Since the Kahn system is envelope > compatible it's not like it causes any trouble with radios either a > mono or a C-QuAM stereo receiving as mono. I would suggest people who have Kahn stereo decoders NOT mention any stations that are in Kahn running stereo on this mail list. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sat Mar 02 17:35:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 3 Mar 2002 01:35:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 86579 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2002 01:35:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2002 01:35:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.74) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2002 01:35:37 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.39] by n24.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2002 01:35:36 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 01:35:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Spread the Word...AMS is here... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006301c1c251$f7588e40$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 590 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.229 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Scott Todd" wrote: > Haven't got a CD player that will handle MP3 encoded disks. How much should > expect to pay for one? > ST > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jsgilst > > Maybe we could put together a compilation CD full of MP3s of some > > of the songs that really make AMS stand out and really sound good. Check out eBay. I did a quick look and there were several RCA models for sale and I think they were around $50 on the bidding. Now this could go up so you may need to watch for awhile to see how high they go. JSG From raydtuner@yahoo.com Sat Mar 02 17:35:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: raydtuner@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 3 Mar 2002 01:35:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 63646 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2002 01:35:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2002 01:35:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.80) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2002 01:35:39 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.157] by n30.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2002 01:35:39 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 01:35:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: CHML 900 Update Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 90 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "raydtuner" X-Originating-IP: 63.183.47.183 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92072182 X-Yahoo-Profile: raydtuner I e-mailed the program director a week ago regarding stereo status, but got no response. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Mar 02 17:54:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 3 Mar 2002 01:54:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 57647 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2002 01:54:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2002 01:54:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.76) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2002 01:54:06 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.50] by n26.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2002 01:37:02 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 01:54:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Spread the Word...AMS is here... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002f01c1c24b$7188a1c0$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 518 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.76.39 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Dude, I couldn't begin to afford all that stuff you're talking > about. Forget about learning to do all that stuff on the computer. > Not enough hours in a day to do it. Hopefully I'll have my full > scale Alfredo ready to go. Cassettes are still a cheap, easy, and user-friendly solution. And with CrO2 tape and Dolby NR, they can have amazingly good sound quality. Especially when you consider that when they were first designed, cassettes were not supposed to be for anything more than voice dictation. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sat Mar 02 18:56:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 3 Mar 2002 02:56:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 83329 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2002 02:52:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2002 02:52:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.63) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2002 02:52:59 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.172] by n13.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2002 02:32:43 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 23:35:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Help - Audio Processing Question Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020225201228.1160.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1843 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.191 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., Johnny Electron wrote: > Do you have to have an AM Stereo audio processor to go from a stereo > board to AMS? It's always better as it optimizes the modulation levels for transmittion and this in turns optimizes the s/n ratio for reception that is a best fit for AMS. > Let's say you have a station that simulcasts on both AM Mono and FM > Stereo, so the existing 'board' is stereo. > What do I have to get for the station to put them into AM Stereo > mode? > I know that they'll need an AMS exciter with a crystal for their AM > broadcast frequency, but do they have to have an audio processor > added in addition to the exicter? Do you have to have a "L-R" signal > for the exciter, or just a discrete L and a discrete R ? > If there is an L-R out of the FM processor, is it suitable enough to > drive the AMS exciter if needed? Some exciters have both discrete (L & R) and matrix (L+R & L-R) inputs. If this is an issue you can always re/de-matrix the channels with op-amps to suit your needs. The only problen using the signal processed for FM is that they reduce the L-R strength especially in the top end where all the seraration is in order to maintain mono loudness. This is not only unnessisary for AMS but the opposite is true. You can actually increase L-R gain over L+R and not effect mono loudness. This works pretty good on some of todays music as most of it doesn't have alot of heavy single channel mixing and tends to make the stereo jump out. But this can be taken to the extreme and produce an unnatural and etherial sound especially on older music that was recorded before the 70s as whole tracks were put only on one channel. It all depends on what kind of program material broadcasted as to what kind of processing that will suit your needs. JSG From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sat Mar 02 19:40:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 3 Mar 2002 03:40:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 33007 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2002 03:40:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2002 03:40:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.78) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2002 03:40:48 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.175] by n28.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2002 03:40:48 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 03:40:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Repeated Message Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 395 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.130 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst It seems that message #921 I posted on Mon Feb 25, 2002 5:35 pm has magicly reposted itself as message #1021. This must be a yahoo snafu. Appearantly I did post it twice but was a couple of hours after I posted it the first time and didn't show up. I had a note at the top about it not showing up the first time. So ignore 1021 unless you find it interesting and want to read it again. JSG From joen3wtv@yahoo.com Sat Mar 02 19:44:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: joen3wtv@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 3 Mar 2002 03:44:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 38535 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2002 03:44:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2002 03:44:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11704.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.70) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2002 03:44:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20020303034402.4641.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.170.170.20] by web11704.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Mar 2002 19:44:02 PST Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 19:44:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Spread the Word...AMS is here... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: joe elias X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=35888484 X-Yahoo-Profile: joen3wtv sadly though the fidelity is still lacking.the faster the tape moves acroos the head the better the sound.id love to get my hands on a reel to rell recorder...joe --- kevtronics wrote: > > Dude, I couldn't begin to afford all that stuff > you're talking > > about. Forget about learning to do all that stuff > on the computer. > > Not enough hours in a day to do it. Hopefully > I'll have my full > > scale Alfredo ready to go. > > Cassettes are still a cheap, easy, and user-friendly > solution. And > with CrO2 tape and Dolby NR, they can have amazingly > good sound > quality. Especially when you consider that when > they were first > designed, cassettes were not supposed to be for > anything more than > voice dictation. > > > ===== +++ PRAY THE ROSARY EVERYDAY +++ +++ O MARY CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN PRAY FOR US WHO HAVE RECOURSE TO THEE+++ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com From joen3wtv@yahoo.com Sat Mar 02 19:44:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: joen3wtv@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 3 Mar 2002 03:44:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 39694 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2002 03:44:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2002 03:44:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11708.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.74) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2002 03:44:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20020303034458.64633.qmail@web11708.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.170.170.20] by web11708.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Mar 2002 19:44:58 PST Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 19:44:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Spread the Word...AMS is here... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: joe elias X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=35888484 X-Yahoo-Profile: joen3wtv problem is idoubt tape is available....joe --- jsgilst wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Scott Todd" > wrote: > > Haven't got a CD player that will handle MP3 > encoded disks. How > much should > > expect to pay for one? > > ST > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: jsgilst > > > Maybe we could put together a compilation CD > full of MP3s of some > > > of the songs that really make AMS stand out and > really sound good. > > > Check out eBay. I did a quick look and there were > several RCA models > for sale and I think they were around $50 on the > bidding. Now this > could go up so you may need to watch for awhile to > see how high they > go. > > JSG > > > ===== +++ PRAY THE ROSARY EVERYDAY +++ +++ O MARY CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN PRAY FOR US WHO HAVE RECOURSE TO THEE+++ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sat Mar 02 20:06:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 3 Mar 2002 04:06:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 18242 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2002 04:06:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2002 04:06:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.77) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2002 04:06:01 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.134] by n27.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2002 04:06:01 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 04:05:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Spread the Word...AMS is here... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020303034402.4641.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 962 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.130 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., joe elias wrote: > sadly though the fidelity is still lacking.the faster > the tape moves acroos the head the better the sound.id > love to get my hands on a reel to rell recorder...joe I wouldn't say it was that bad. Some of the better decks like a 3 head model could have an amazingly good reproduction. Some have knobs to fine tune the bias to flatten out the frequency response in the top end. On these decks there was a monitor switch that would switch from tape to source so you could A B what was coming off the tape with what was going onto it. Even with Type I high quality ferric tapes I could get very high quality recording with very little audible difference between tape and source. My deck had a 3db @ 17 KHz for ferric and 3db @ 19 KHz for Cro2. This is more than enough response for an AMS transmitter and the dynamic range is in most cases going to be greater than the received signal inself. JSG From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Mar 02 21:35:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 3 Mar 2002 05:35:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 11389 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2002 05:35:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2002 05:35:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14205.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.151) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2002 05:35:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20020303053526.92614.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.162.18.173] by web14205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Mar 2002 21:35:26 PST Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 21:35:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: Spread the AMS word at hamffests / program source To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Kev: Any chance you can email some of us your documentation you had at the hamfest as a base document for modification (add the local AMS, if any) for handouts at the hamfests? I was thinking a photo of the Delco UX-1 and Chrysler "joystick" radios are the best example photos of AMS radios too. Regarding program source, I've found the best luck using a MiniDisc into an Alfredo Lite transmitter for pure sound quality, but not necessarily distance. You can turn on the Sony MegaBass, and it sounds fab over AMS. Also, the new Sony MiniDisc recorders ($179.00) can record up to 5 hours on one MD for $2 (or less), so it's the cheapest re-writable digital audio format - and you don't have to use a computer at all - unless you want to - as it works great stand-alone as a audio device. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com From Bossmsx@aol.com Sat Mar 02 22:00:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 3 Mar 2002 06:00:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 44140 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2002 06:00:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2002 06:00:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.34) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2002 06:00:42 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.16.1b199498 (26118) for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 01:00:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <16.1b199498.29b31606@aol.com> Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 01:00:38 EST Subject: Re: CHML 900 Update To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP US sub 50 From: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <> Probably because the PD is receiving an avalanche of emails from AM Stereo fans like us, believe it or not, I think we're getting on Mr. Tipple's nerves (it's a good thing to constantly bug Offenders). Paul Tipple (CHML's PD) actually emailed a reply to someone on another AMS list, stating that they were no longer in stereo...Then I think someone else from that list emailed him some kind words, and the flood started....Good job, Gang!! --ts [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Mar 02 22:10:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 3 Mar 2002 06:10:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 9626 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2002 06:10:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2002 06:10:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.72) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2002 06:10:41 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.115] by n22.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2002 06:10:41 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 06:10:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Spread the AMS word at hamffests / program source Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020303053526.92614.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 429 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.91.10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Any chance you can email some of us your documentation you had at > the hamfest as a base document for modification (add the local AMS, > if any) for handouts at the hamfests? Here is the one-page handout I used: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~ktekel/amstereo.doc (read with MS Word or WordPad) It has sort of a communications/non-AM-band emphasis because I knew the clientele at the hamfest would be more interested in that. From rfinder@telusplanet.net Sat Mar 02 23:22:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rfinder@telusplanet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 3 Mar 2002 07:22:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 20925 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2002 07:22:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2002 07:22:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.59) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2002 07:22:20 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.181] by n9.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2002 07:22:20 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 07:22:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM vs. FM: Let's Compare Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1315 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "i2thesky2001" X-Originating-IP: 142.59.49.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Am Advantages; Larger coverage area with less power better DX'ing Long Wavelength means solid daytime signal especially in inner city coverage, no daytime multipath BS AM Stereo sounding fuller and wider great for driving through mountain ranges where no FM will go A great source of news, weather and talk AM Disadvantages: Static While Driving under Powerlines, for a second or two Large Media Cartels Ignore It's Sonic Potential Night Time DXing stations sometimes cut in your local programs to say hi from time to time No Capturing of stronger signals to ignore weaker signals narrow bandwidth, limiting the higher audio frequencies (in poorly egineered radios only, where manufacturers like to cheap out on AM circuitry) Few companies care about AM Stereo FM Advantages: Less or no static Capturing and better selectivity Greater Bandwidth Wider Audio Frequency Range FM Disadvantages: Multi-path and intermod making downtown driving through concrete jungles impossible to listen to Full Of Annoying hit music, rap and profanity Overdriven audio processing making most stations fatiguing to listen to Too Many commercials Need twice as much power to get the signal half as far as AM Stereo sound not as live and full as AMS, sounding "canned or boxy" how am I doing so far? Add your $ 0.02 worth From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Mar 03 02:27:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 3 Mar 2002 10:27:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 57295 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2002 10:27:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2002 10:27:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2002 10:27:42 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.43]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 05:22:32 -0500 Message-ID: <000501c1c29d$4b1e1040$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: Cc: , Subject: changes Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 05:22:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 A note to all on these lists- Due to events of the past several weeks, I regret to announce that all involvement that I have with am stereo will be severely limited. From this time on, for the forseeable future, The only item I will be making, as time permits, will be decoders, the MC13028 type. I will no longer be modifying existing radios and stereos, nor will I be able to participate in any promotions or demonstrations. If anyone wants to purchase the remaining inventory of circuit boards and parts for the "Alfredo lites", which will include ONE assembled, working model and the schematics and build info, please contact me privately. I have enough boards for perhaps 20 transmitters, as well as the "impossible to find" ICs- you are on your own for the rest of the readily available IC's and passives (resistors, capacitors, coils, etc). No "fire sale" offers are being considered. No "I will pay you as I sell them" offers are being considered either. PLEASE ABSOLUTELY NO PHONE CALLS AT ANY TIME! to any of you that have my number. Thanks, Chris From raydtuner@yahoo.com Sun Mar 03 11:00:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: raydtuner@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 3 Mar 2002 19:00:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 10777 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2002 19:00:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2002 19:00:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.79) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2002 19:00:14 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.141] by n29.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2002 19:00:01 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 19:00:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: CHML 900 Update Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <16.1b199498.29b31606@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 878 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "raydtuner" X-Originating-IP: 63.183.47.233 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92072182 X-Yahoo-Profile: raydtuner --- In amstereoforum@y..., Bossmsx@a... wrote: > < but got no response.>> > > Probably because the PD is receiving an avalanche of emails from AM Stereo > fans like us, believe it or not, I think we're getting on Mr. Tipple's nerves > (it's a good thing to constantly bug Offenders). > Paul Tipple (CHML's PD) actually emailed a reply to someone on another AMS > list, stating that they were no longer in stereo...Then I think someone else > from that list emailed him some kind words, and the flood started....Good > job, Gang!! > > --ts > REPLY: Yeah,everyone knows these busy staff people aren't just sitting around looking for mail to answer! I got my dx info to him anyways. RAY>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From raydtuner@yahoo.com Sun Mar 03 11:03:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: raydtuner@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 3 Mar 2002 19:03:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 52825 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2002 19:03:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2002 19:03:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.57) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2002 19:03:13 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.157] by n7.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2002 19:03:12 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 19:03:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM vs. FM: Let's Compare Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1624 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "raydtuner" X-Originating-IP: 63.183.47.233 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92072182 X-Yahoo-Profile: raydtuner --- In amstereoforum@y..., "i2thesky2001" wrote: > Am Advantages; > Larger coverage area with less power > better DX'ing > Long Wavelength means solid daytime signal especially in inner city > coverage, no daytime multipath BS > AM Stereo sounding fuller and wider > great for driving through mountain ranges where no FM will go > A great source of news, weather and talk > > AM Disadvantages: > Static While Driving under Powerlines, for a second or two > Large Media Cartels Ignore It's Sonic Potential > Night Time DXing stations sometimes cut in your local programs to say > hi from time to time > No Capturing of stronger signals to ignore weaker signals > narrow bandwidth, limiting the higher audio frequencies (in poorly > egineered radios only, where manufacturers like to cheap out on AM > circuitry) > Few companies care about AM Stereo > > > FM Advantages: > Less or no static > Capturing and better selectivity > Greater Bandwidth > Wider Audio Frequency Range > > FM Disadvantages: > Multi-path and intermod making downtown driving through concrete > jungles impossible to listen to > Full Of Annoying hit music, rap and profanity > Overdriven audio processing making most stations fatiguing to listen > to > Too Many commercials > Need twice as much power to get the signal half as far as AM > Stereo sound not as live and full as AMS, sounding "canned or boxy" > > > how am I doing so far? Add your $ 0.02 worth REPLY: Since finding this group's website and group page, I'm no longer sure why FM exists!!! RAY>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Mar 03 11:38:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 3 Mar 2002 19:38:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 79371 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2002 19:38:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2002 19:38:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2002 19:38:00 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-174.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.174]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA28826 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 13:37:58 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001801c1c2eb$1760af80$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020303034458.64633.qmail@web11708.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Spread the Word...AMS is here... Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 13:38:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Actually it is- www.tapeonline.com ST ----- Original Message ----- From: joe elias To: Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 9:44 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Spread the Word...AMS is here... > problem is idoubt tape is available....joe From smpoole7@bellsouth.net Sun Mar 03 11:52:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: smpoole7@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 3 Mar 2002 19:52:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 98269 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2002 19:52:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2002 19:52:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.83) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2002 19:52:01 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.48] by n33.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2002 19:52:00 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 19:51:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: changes Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000501c1c29d$4b1e1040$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 149 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "professorpoole" X-Originating-IP: 216.76.200.16 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25309165 X-Yahoo-Profile: professorpoole What in the world is going on?!? Just a few days ago, you were excited about finding a new crystal deal and chatting up AM stereo. What happened? From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Mar 03 12:04:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 3 Mar 2002 20:04:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 29054 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2002 20:04:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2002 20:04:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2002 20:04:12 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-174.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.174]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA02089 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 14:04:22 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <003801c1c2ee$c02d8c20$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020303053526.92614.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Spread the AMS word at hamffests / program source Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 14:05:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Must be nice to have that much to blow on something like that. I think I'll go the portable CD player route. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Johnny Electron > Regarding program source, I've found the best luck using a MiniDisc > into an Alfredo Lite transmitter for pure sound quality, but not > necessarily distance. You can turn on the Sony MegaBass, and it > sounds fab over AMS. Also, the new Sony MiniDisc recorders ($179.00) > From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Mar 03 12:28:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 3 Mar 2002 20:28:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 73961 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2002 20:28:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2002 20:28:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2002 20:28:19 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-174.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.174]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA05052 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 14:28:29 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <004801c1c2f2$1eb2e800$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <000501c1c29d$4b1e1040$0101a8c0@pavilion> Subject: Re: {AMSF} changes Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 14:29:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Would it be possible to download to any of the AMS websites the PC board layouts and parts placement of each decoder and the Alfredo Lite? That way when supplies are depleted we can make our own from the plans you've left there. I'm interested in one of your second generation analog tuning decoder with the TA- something chip for my boombox, and if I like the performance enough I'll pull apart the one I installed in my home stereo and rebuild it onto the new board with the extra components. Please also let us know some good sources of schematics and chips. You're probably burned out from all the legal hassles, even though they're now over. Me? I'm set to keep on keeping on. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher Cuff . > From this time on, for the forseeable future, The only item I will be > making, as time permits, will be decoders, the MC13028 type. I will no > longer be modifying existing radios and stereos, nor will I be able to > participate in any promotions or demonstrations. From KC4QLP@aol.com Sun Mar 03 12:57:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 3 Mar 2002 20:57:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 56919 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2002 20:57:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2002 20:57:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r04.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.100) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2002 20:57:48 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.15d.9e445c2 (3965); Sun, 3 Mar 2002 15:57:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <15d.9e445c2.29b3e846@aol.com> Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 15:57:42 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: changes To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@nrcdxas.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 3/3/02 2:53:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, smpoole7@bellsouth.net writes: << What in the world is going on?!? Just a few days ago, you were excited about finding a new crystal deal and chatting up AM stereo. What happened? >> I'm quite confused myself Professor.I've checked all of the past e-mails and I too didnt see anything that indicated trouble on the horizon. 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E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Mar 03 13:59:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 3 Mar 2002 21:59:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 25259 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2002 21:59:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2002 21:59:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.4) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2002 21:59:53 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.ad.1925945b (4223) for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 16:59:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 16:59:42 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} You know radio is really getting bad when..... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih National Public Radio and Public Radio International seem to be the kings of quality programming. Remember when CBS and ABC had that claim? 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://members.aol.com/n0uiheric/TurnOffClearChannel.html http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/turnoffclearchannel From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Mar 03 14:52:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 3 Mar 2002 22:52:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 30310 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2002 22:52:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2002 22:52:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2002 22:52:36 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.24]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 17:47:29 -0500 Message-ID: <001501c1c305$5a92afa0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: Cc: Subject: explanations to my post Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 17:47:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Here are the reasons that I based my decision on, starting with the most important. Number one- Time. I watch over my elderly parents. This is becoming more time consuming. There are many things they cannot do without help anymore. As the one child that never married, this is something that I had to undertake. And I do it gladly. They have always stood by me. It is my turn now. Number 2- The lack of desire for equipment, due to many factors that we all know: Horrible programming, Uncertainty about the digital future, and generally a whole plethora of available entertainment mediums that are in use- some better than others. Number 3- I contacted five promising possible outlets for our efforts, and every time came up with yet another brick wall. I cannot even get the courtesy of a response. not even a negative response. An offer to send FREE samples to Ramsey was ignored. The post by their employee on the forum was just another "pat on the head".... "nice guy, now go away"... When is enough enough? As far as posting schematics and such, I have no software or programs that can do this. Anyone can do it going by the schematics and pictures I have. I can go on with other things that went wrong, like the turd on ebay that cleverly sold me 2 good Philips CDR minisystems, with a promise to buy 11 more. I bought the 11 more, and they all are parted out junk. The cost to resurrect them will exceed their value. Same with the micro systems I sent a picture of. They quit after being on for a half hour. No info available to fix them. I reached the point where I said to myself "Someone is sending me a message, and that message is get out" On closing, I will also add that I heard from 5 people between 3 radio lists privately. This in itself speaks volumes about what is wrong. I have no answers to what to do. I know it will take money, which no one on any of these lists has. Even if we DID have money, I am no longer convinced it would work. I will be staying around on the lists. Who knows? a miracle can still happen. CC From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Mar 03 15:52:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 3 Mar 2002 23:52:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 41606 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2002 23:52:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2002 23:52:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.11) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2002 23:52:48 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 15:52:48 -0800 Received: from 209.240.222.130 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 03 Mar 2002 23:52:47 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@nrcdxas.org Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} You know radio is really getting bad when..... Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 23:52:47 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Mar 2002 23:52:48.0124 (UTC) FILETIME=[8595F3C0:01C1C30E] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.222.130] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Eric wrote: >National Public Radio and Public Radio International seem to be the kings >of quality programming. Remember when CBS and ABC had that claim? Yes, Eric I sure do remember; also NBC was a very good network; our WFLA here(which is now ClearChannel) was a fantastic NBC affiliate and a fantastic radio station; now they are a mere shadow of what they used to be. Local programming, news, weather, contests, they were wonderful; then on the weekends I remember they had a NBC network show called "Monitor", which was sort of a hybrid between the Today Show and "All Things Considered". I was 9 years old when I got my first transistor radio , a Sears Silverstone 6 transistor and I would listen to Monitor every weekend, no matter where I was. Now WFLA just replays tapes on the weekend of some of their sub mediocre programming and they call it the "Best of" whatever. As Kevin R would say it just plain S#####! I really feel that people born after the mid 1970's never got a chance to hear really good local radio; by the time they were old enough to listen, radio was already on a downslide. Local radio would carry high school football games and many things that stations today wouldn't think of doing, when they can just play a tape of an old program or put on an infomercial. I listen now to to NPR and as far as commercial radio listen to one of the six locally owned stations (six locally owned in a market of about 20 am stations) It's not a good situation and with Mike Powell calling for further deregulation and recent court rulings, I don't see any halt to the downslide of radio; at least among the chains. donn clearly not happy with clearchannel ----Original Message Follows---- From: n0uiheric@aol.co National Public Radio and Public Radio International seem to be the kings of quality programming. Remember when CBS and ABC had that claim? 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://members.aol.com/n0uiheric/TurnOffClearChannel.html http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/turnoffclearchanne _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Mar 03 16:50:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 4 Mar 2002 00:50:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 9093 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2002 00:50:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2002 00:50:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.64) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2002 00:50:41 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 16:50:41 -0800 Received: from 209.240.222.130 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 04 Mar 2002 00:50:40 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@nrcdxas.org Bcc: Subject: Re: [amstereo] Re: {AMSF} You know radio is really getting bad when..... Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 00:50:40 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Mar 2002 00:50:41.0091 (UTC) FILETIME=[9BA2A930:01C1C316] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.222.130] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 ----Original Message Follows---- From: Kit Reply-To: amstereo@nrcdxas.org To: amstereo@nrcdxas.org Subject: Re: [amstereo] Re: {AMSF} You know radio is really getting bad when..... Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 16:31:56 -0800 (PST) Thanks for the link, Kit. Monitor seems to long and far away, I never thought there would be a website for it; I also remember they would send you a list of all NBC stations carrying the program and I used that list to do my first nighttime dxing; seeing how many NBC affiliates I could pick up; also when our family made our yearly prigrammage to Columbus , Ohio each year I used the list to see how many NBC stations I could pick up on the way. Then when in Columbus, I would see how many Canadian stations I could pick up; something I couldn't do from Florida; spent a lot time listening to CKLW and the "New WCOL" 1230 in Columbus which was the "NEW WCOL" for several summers. Thanks again for the link. donn getting ready to check the Monitor link. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > weekends I remember they had a NBC network show > called "Monitor", which was > sort of a hybrid between the Today Show and "All > Things Considered". I was > 9 years old when I got my first transistor radio , a > Sears Silverstone 6 > transistor and I would listen to Monitor every > weekend, no matter where I > was. "Monitor" was a class act. If you haven't seen the tribute site for it, here it is: http://www.monitorbeacon.com It's great to have people who put these kinds of sites together to preserve the memories of the glory days of radio. Some things are still getting better, but I'm afraid the best days of radio and television have already come and gone. At least we have our memories of what once was. Sigh... Kit _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From watan-ko@rtri.or.jp Sun Mar 03 17:01:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: watan-ko@rtri.or.jp X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 4 Mar 2002 01:01:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 28615 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2002 01:01:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2002 01:01:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.54) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2002 01:01:34 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.180] by n4.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2002 01:01:33 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 01:01:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: NEWS FLASH.... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020301061931.81170.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 768 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "irukero" X-Originating-IP: 210.254.18.76 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67746350 X-Yahoo-Profile: irukero Dear Johnny, I think the Toshiba "3034" chip is "TA-8120P", which is exact replica of Motorola's MC-13020P. I have some of them and its data sheet, then I found it's exactly same as MC-13020P. In 1992, when AMS in Japan started, some articles to build AMS radios used '020, but they also recommended TA-8120P as replacement. Toshiba made TA-2040 and TA-8124P later. The latter is quite easy to use like MC-13028. Finally, I think the number "3034" is Chrysler's part number. Sincerely, Koji Watanabe Shiga, JAPAN --- In amstereoforum@y..., Johnny Electron wrote: > TOSHIBA 3034 - an IC Chip made in Japan (circa 1987) is really a > Motorola MC13020P chip in disguise!!!!! > I bought a Chrysler radio which I thought had AMS From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sun Mar 03 18:55:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 4 Mar 2002 02:55:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 64957 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2002 02:55:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2002 02:55:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.56) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2002 02:55:00 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.123] by n6.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2002 02:54:39 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 02:54:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} You know radio is really getting bad when..... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 259 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., n0uiheric@a... wrote: > National Public Radio and Public Radio International seem to be the kings of > quality programming. Remember when CBS and ABC had that claim? > Don't forget Pacifica. They support our local artists. JSG From smpoole7@bellsouth.net Sun Mar 03 21:31:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: smpoole7@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 4 Mar 2002 05:31:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 81971 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2002 05:31:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2002 05:31:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.82) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2002 05:31:25 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.111] by n32.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2002 05:31:25 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 05:31:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: explanations to my post Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001501c1c305$5a92afa0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 237 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "professorpoole" X-Originating-IP: 209.214.104.136 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25309165 X-Yahoo-Profile: professorpoole Well Chris, I wish you nothing but the best. No one could possibly fault your efforts, and I very much admire someone who takes care of his/her parents. Maybe you're right, the digital thing will have to shake out first. Who knows? From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Mar 04 01:11:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 4 Mar 2002 09:11:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 96959 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2002 09:11:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2002 09:11:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2002 09:11:22 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.42]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 04:06:05 -0500 Message-ID: <003101c1c35b$c4749720$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: Cc: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: explanations to my post Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 04:05:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 OK, gang- I have juggled my time schedule, and I will continue to make the transmitters. I do not, however, have the time to experiment with Darwin's great little amp he designed for it. As well, as it is not quite "legal" to use these amps, not that anyone would notice, I still cannot afford to get in any hot water with the FCC. I originally wanted to make kits for people to build them theirselves, but anyone that has tried to make instructions knows shat a pain this is- I designed the board, and I know the layout and the little things I need to do to make sure they work, so as I said, I WILL make transmitters. I will go ahead and get a few crystals pre-programmed for testing- one for the 1197 "Switch" and a couple others to try them. As I also said before, I WILL be always making decoders. These are easy to build. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: professorpoole From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Mar 04 06:36:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 4 Mar 2002 14:36:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 96883 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2002 14:36:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2002 14:36:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14202.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.144) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2002 14:36:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20020304143650.69673.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Mar 2002 06:36:50 PST Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 06:36:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: Salute to Christopher Cuff To: Dennis AMstereo IAAAS List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Christopher Cuff: Thanks for all of your consistent hard work on our AM Stereo cause. I will respect your diminished role in AMS activity. Unlike many baby boomers today, you are willing to take-on the role as caregiver to your parents – to which I say ‘bravo’, as too many Boomers have their priorities out of order. Please stay in the communications loop, and by no means do we want you bankrupted again for our cause. You and I go back to the MC13020 glory days of AM Stereo, and disgust with the FCC on the standards (lack of standards) issue. Certainly millions of Philips/Magnavox AMS radios at Wal-Mart, Kmart and Target would have happened if they kept the original FCC AMS decision on Magnavox. I think that we still have the ability to work with a few USA Mom & Pop stations, like WIRY, to help them continue AMS. Perhaps a few more ‘covert’ AMS conversions will take place, as well as a station or two in Canada, and even more promising, new AMS stations in Oz. Chris, your efforts are not, and were not in vain. We will continue the battle and information blitz this year. And, we give you a “21-Channel Salute”! Thanks Chris! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Mar 05 07:59:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 5 Mar 2002 15:59:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 36376 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2002 01:51:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2002 01:51:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2002 01:51:05 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-229.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.229]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA07366 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 19:51:15 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <003501c1c3e8$625a5240$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <001501c1c305$5a92afa0$0101a8c0@pavilion> Subject: Re: {AMSF} explanations to my post Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 19:52:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Chris, If you would, please photocopy the diagrams and such, and send them to someone on these lists who could scan them and make them generally available. Please also share the diagrams and PC layouts to the radio circuits you developed. Hopefully we can get one or more into production. Again, you can keep the originals, and we'll work from scans of photocopies. As for the latter, it doesn't mean nobody cares. When I saw the question as to why posted, I figured you'd come out with the explanation. I do care and despite the loss, I think you're doing the right thing. If perchance you meant something about list members purchasing radios, there aren't enough of us here to be much of a market. We have to create the desire out in the general public. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher Cuff > As far as posting schematics and such, I have no software or programs that > can do this. Anyone can do it going by the schematics and pictures I have. > On closing, I will also add that I heard from 5 people between 3 radio lists > privately. This in itself speaks volumes about what is wrong. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Mar 05 15:56:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 5 Mar 2002 23:56:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 30307 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2002 17:49:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2002 17:49:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.62) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2002 17:49:26 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.127] by n12.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2002 17:49:24 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 17:49:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: explanations to my post Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001501c1c305$5a92afa0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1266 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.151 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Christopher Cuff" wrote: > Here are the reasons that I based my decision on, starting with the most > important. > Number one- Time. I watch over my elderly parents. This is becoming more > time consuming. There are many things they cannot do without help anymore. My parents are up there in age also and one of them is unable to wait on themselves so I know where you're coming from. I would like to do more developing and converter building myself also but as you know this can be a time consuming and resource hungry process. From your DIY page you have put a lot of resources into AMS in conversions and building whole radios to promote the cause. I was amazed how much you have done and hopefully your efforts are not wasted and that they can be carried on by others. Not having enough resources myself I decided to put up what I had accomplished on my website so others could benefit also. The technical aspect of converting or building AMS radios is a big load for one person, it is something that I have come to realize and could be better implemented through group effort by pooling our resources. Hopefully your accomplishments can be carried on through the group and that it will not be a lost cause. JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Mar 05 16:09:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 6 Mar 2002 00:09:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 76119 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2002 18:30:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2002 18:30:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.54) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2002 18:30:07 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.160] by n4.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2002 18:30:07 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 18:30:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: back on line Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 302 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 207.200.163.9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Okay, I see Yahoo Groups is finally working again after being down all Monday, and to complement that, the www.AMStereoRadio.com web site is also back on line, thanks to Ben working out the traffic issues with his ISP. Now it can continue to grow in popularity, with over 90,000 visitors so far! From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Mar 05 19:00:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 6 Mar 2002 03:00:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 12262 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2002 00:23:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2002 00:23:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2002 00:23:18 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.179]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 19:18:20 -0500 Message-ID: <001b01c1c4a4$5b202b00$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: Cc: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: explanations to my post Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 19:17:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Just remember- I am still here, and will continue making LPAM stereo transmitters, and decoders just as before. I am only scaling back on things that take tremendous time away from here. I may not be able to do road shows or experiment with conversions, but those 2 mainstays I will keep on doing. Decoders are easy- I can knock off 20 to 30 easily in a day. Transmitters are more time consuming, but I will continue to make them. Like making a quilt or reading a book, I pick away at them as I can. leave them alone for a bit, and go back to them. I ain't going anywhere.... :-) CC ----- Original Message ----- From: jsgilst To: Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 12:49 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: explanations to my post From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Mar 05 20:11:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 6 Mar 2002 04:11:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 97963 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2002 01:23:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2002 01:23:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11705.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.71) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2002 01:23:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20020306012313.89183.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.157.50.240] by web11705.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Mar 2002 17:23:13 PST Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 17:23:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: I-95 bandscan To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio So far, there have been TWO new stations-both Black Gospel. 950 in Richmond, Va. is NOT stereo. The two stations are: 1. 1490/WGCV-Chester, S.C.. 1kW. Pilot. Sep.=? 2. 1240/WGCD-Petersburg, Va.. 1kW. Stereo heard. So that's it so far. I've been from St. Aug., Fl. to Myrtle Beach and Myrtle Beach to D.C.. TWO STATIONS! Daytime anyway. Oh yeah, 1400/WVRC-Spencer, W.V. was stereo at one time and it may still be. I talked to a former employee. Now I will be on the last leg of my trip: D.C. to Providence. Wish me luck. 73, Jay,N1WVQ In memory of Flagler College graduate Kevin Bovell: 1/19/1979-3/3/2002. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Mar 06 02:33:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 6 Mar 2002 10:33:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 49141 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2002 19:48:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2002 19:48:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.64) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2002 19:48:45 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.39] by n14.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2002 19:50:34 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 19:48:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Good news from Ramsey Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1454 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 207.200.163.9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I posted a message on the Ramsey Electronics web site asking if they were really interested in making any AM Stereo products or not, and here is the response I got via e-mail from them: - - - - From: "Chris Hughes" To: kevtronics@yahoo.com Subject: AM Stereo product line Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 08:40:39 -0500 Organization: Ramsey Electronics, Inc. Hello Kevin, We have been very busy the last few weeks putting together our next catalog, hence we have not been discussing the next series of products to begin development on. I will try to speak to Bruce Sidari (bruce@ramseyelectronics.com) today and see if he can contact you personally to discuss an line of AM stereo products. Thank you for your patience and please don't hesitate to call if you have any questions or concerns. Chris Hughes Ramsey Electronics, Inc. www.ramseyelectronics.com Ph: (585) 924-4560 Fax: (585) 924-4555 --------------------------------------------------------------------- 3/5/02 Ramsey Forum Posting We are certainly interested Kevin. Out lack of participation in the AM Stereo postings has been deliberate up to this point. The information passed back and forth between the knowledgeable people using this messaging board is very impressive and we hate to ruin the natural flow of the discussions by jumping in before the time is right. I'll contact you off the Forum and see what we can set up. From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Mar 06 03:30:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 6 Mar 2002 11:30:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 19273 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2002 11:30:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2002 11:30:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO host.warwick.net) (204.255.24.254) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2002 11:30:28 -0000 Received: from chris (qelapsvc.florida.ul.warwick.net [208.228.96.20]) by host.warwick.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g26BUQ5190113 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 06:30:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000701c1c502$415e7380$0501a8c0@warwick.net> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Good news from Ramsey Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 06:30:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 That is most encouraging! Be sure to tell them I am still interested in helping them any way I can- They can contact me anytime, as well. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevtronics" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 2:48 PM Subject: {AMSF} Good news from Ramsey From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Mar 06 09:41:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 6 Mar 2002 17:41:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 43750 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2002 17:41:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2002 17:41:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r02.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.98) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2002 17:41:23 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.61.1c03828a (3311) for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:41:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <61.1c03828a.29b7aeb6@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:41:10 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Good news from Ramsey To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 3/6/02 6:32:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, ccuff@in4web.com writes: << That is most encouraging! Be sure to tell them I am still interested in helping them any way I can- They can contact me anytime, as well. CC >> It is wonder to see that forum hopefully bare fruit one day.! Ahh a sense of accomplishment is in the air today Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Mar 06 09:57:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 6 Mar 2002 17:57:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 18015 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2002 17:57:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2002 17:57:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2002 17:56:59 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.7d.2361d63f (3311) for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:56:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7d.2361d63f.29b7b269@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:56:57 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} I-95 bandscan To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 3/5/02 11:17:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, a1asurfradio@yahoo.com writes: << So far, there have been TWO new stations-both Black Gospel. 950 in Richmond, Va. is NOT stereo. The two stations are: 1. 1490/WGCV-Chester, S.C.. 1kW. Pilot. Sep.=? 2. 1240/WGCD-Petersburg, Va.. 1kW. Stereo heard. >> Nobody in the Richmond / Petersburg Va area is in stereo. Petersburgs WDZY-1290 Radio Disney has the ability to send a pilot but they are not set-up to run stereo audio from the studio.Currently no pilot is on at WDZY. However just as a side note there Jay....on your next trip up and down I-95 ...WGAI 560 reaches the I-95 area from just south of Rocky Mount NC to the I-295/I-95 exchange around Petersburg Va during the day.....farther at night. So give it a checking on your next trip for stereo stations. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Wed Mar 06 15:11:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 6 Mar 2002 23:11:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 17748 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2002 23:11:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2002 23:11:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.52) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2002 23:11:15 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.38] by n2.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2002 23:11:10 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 23:11:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Reception Problems -- HELP! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 653 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.143.196.200 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 Hi. I just got the Sony ST-JX220A Tuner in the mail today. After hooking it up I was very, very disappointed. All I got was NOISE! The only stations I could get were my local MONOfest of 980-CFPL, 1290- CJBK and 1410-CKSL. Other than that everything is noise! I can get at least 25 good stations from my TEAC DTS/DD Receiver through the cheap AM Loop antenna that came with it but using the same antenna all Iget is noise. The Sony lacks a ground. Can anybody help? I quickly rushed to Radio Shack and bought a AM/FM amplified antenna but that did absolutly nothing and when hooked to the TEAC brought in less stations! I really need some help! From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Wed Mar 06 15:12:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 6 Mar 2002 23:12:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 65226 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2002 23:12:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2002 23:12:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.54) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2002 23:12:45 -0000 Received: from [216.115.97.81] by n4.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2002 23:12:20 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 23:12:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Another Canadian casualty! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 146 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.143.196.200 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 980 CFPL London is indeed MONO! This really sucks! Both 980CFPL and 1410CKSL play music 24hrs a day! 980 plays AC/Oldies and 1410 Oldies. Matt From rfinder@telusplanet.net Wed Mar 06 21:33:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rfinder@telusplanet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 7 Mar 2002 05:33:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 38099 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2002 05:31:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2002 05:31:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.75) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2002 05:31:23 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.150] by n25.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Mar 2002 05:27:04 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 05:29:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Another Canadian casualty! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 801 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "i2thesky2001" X-Originating-IP: 142.59.23.17 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public --- In amstereoforum@y..., "matt_haw2000" wrote: > 980 CFPL London is indeed MONO! > > This really sucks! Indeed! Getting pretty dry out here in the praries. It's high time we AMS fanatics banded together to set up a travelling AM Radio tramsmitter monucleosis innoculation camp. LOL! We should start by brainwashing the CEO's and work our way down to the engineers. Every year we've lost at least one AM stereo station in Alberta. On the positive side however. AM STEREO 1060 CKMX, Calgary; a Standard Radio Company, has just moved into thier new digs on Centre St. N. And guess what!!!! They didnt shut down the Stereo. They still beleive in it after all this time Lets here it for Standard! They got a sister station in Edmonton; Oldies 1260, the legendary CFRN! From amfmdx@fastq.com Thu Mar 07 09:42:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 7 Mar 2002 17:42:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 37607 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2002 17:42:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2002 17:42:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2002 17:42:34 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d183-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.215]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g27HgXn71048 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 10:42:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <011101c1c5ff$482c9c20$a9f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: Subject: 2 SRF-42s for sale! Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 10:41:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think after much scrounging around, I found the very last two brand new, pristine Sony SRF-42 AM STEREO walkman radios. These radios receive well and sound great! You can even do some DX with them. I need to get $35 each for these units plus shipping costs to break even. If you are interested, write me at: amfmdx@fastq.com Kevin Mesa, Arizona [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Mar 07 09:53:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 7 Mar 2002 17:53:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 5243 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2002 17:53:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2002 17:53:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2002 17:53:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20020307175330.3585.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 09:53:30 PST Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:53:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: Eureka 147 "not gonna happen" To: Dennis AMstereo IAAAS List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio As long as Clear Channel has the FCC and the NAB by the b*lls, there will not be any Eureka 147 in the USA. All stations have the same transmitting power from the same tower ...so... Clear Channel's 50KW stations would have the same transmitter power as a 250W daytimer does, and now that old 250watter can broadcast 24/7 with the same power. I believe that they all have about 5KW. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Mar 07 18:27:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 8 Mar 2002 02:27:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 70726 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2002 02:21:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2002 02:21:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2002 02:21:36 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-222.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.222]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA12039 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 20:21:47 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <010201c1c648$2abda0a0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another Canadian casualty! Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 20:22:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Have you called and asked why they turned it off? That's the only way they'll know anyone's interested. ST' ----- Original Message ----- From: matt_haw2000 To: Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 5:12 PM Subject: {AMSF} Another Canadian casualty! > 980 CFPL London is indeed MONO! > > This really sucks! Both 980CFPL and 1410CKSL play music 24hrs a day! > 980 plays AC/Oldies and 1410 Oldies. > > Matt > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From 1377.3mp@start.com.au Thu Mar 07 19:25:22 2002 Return-Path: <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Sender: 1377.3mp@start.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 8 Mar 2002 03:25:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 19318 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2002 02:01:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2002 02:01:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.66) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2002 02:01:56 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.136] by n16.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2002 02:01:37 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 02:01:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: KCJJ Chris Cuff Interview ? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 307 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Originating-IP: 213.121.70.64 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69495942 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan On the other ams group a while ago now someone posted a high quality ra file thougth this was just part 1 (which I have - 12mins worth) of perhaps a 2 or 3 part recording ?? I don't think all parts were ever posted though. I seemed to remember it was a 2hr rec though couhld be wrong about this ??? From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu Mar 07 21:01:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 8 Mar 2002 05:01:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 30075 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2002 04:07:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2002 04:07:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.74) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2002 04:07:15 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.115] by n24.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2002 04:06:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 04:06:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Symmetra Peak Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 159 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.102 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst Anyone interested in a Kahn "Symmetra Peak" from the old days? There is one on eBay. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1711064038 JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Mar 07 21:12:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 8 Mar 2002 05:12:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 61741 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2002 04:18:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2002 04:18:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.77) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2002 04:18:08 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.143] by n27.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2002 04:18:08 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 04:18:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: KCJJ Chris Cuff Interview ? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1300 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.83.24 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > On the other ams group a while ago now someone posted a high quality > ra file thougth this was just part 1 (which I have - 12mins worth) > of perhaps a 2 or 3 part recording ?? I don't think all parts were > ever posted though. I seemed to remember it was a 2hr rec though > could be wrong about this The complete recording of Chris Cuff's and Scott Todd's visit to KCJJ (as compiled and edited by Chris) is about an hour and a half long, including some songs. RealAudio files of the first three parts (kcjj1.rm, kcjj2.rm, kcjj3.rm) can be found in this web directory: http://www.nrcdxas.org/amstereo/stations/North-America/USA/Iowa/ The first part is pretty good quality Stereo at 32 kbps and requires RealPlayer 8.0 or higher. The second and third parts are exclusively voice content so there were encoded at 16 kbps (mono) and work with any version of RealPlayer. You can also just click on the playlist file "kcjj.ram" and it will play all three parts in sequence. There are obviously more parts left to encode, but I haven't gotten around to it, mostly because both of my good cassette decks are on the fritz! However, there was one extra clip I encoded, in high quality Stereo MP3, of Chris Cuff "playing DJ" on KCJJ: http://rvcc2.raritanval.edu/ktek9053/kcjj-cc.mp3 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Mar 07 22:24:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 8 Mar 2002 06:24:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 60696 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2002 05:35:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2002 05:35:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.80) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2002 05:35:55 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.168] by n30.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2002 05:35:54 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 05:35:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Symmetra Peak Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 752 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.83.24 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Anyone interested in a Kahn "Symmetra Peak" from the old days? There > is one on eBay. Combine Symmetra-Peak with Kahn PowerSide and classic "VoluMax" or "AudiMax" audio processing and your station will not only be the LOUDEST on the dial, it will also have the most distortion! You will put any FM station to shame with your ability to give your listeners headaches and earaches after only 5 minutes of listening! :-) I've never heard a Kahn PowerSide station which sounds good -- they all sound very overmodulated and distorted, which is logical, because PowerSide basically puts out an almost-SSB (Single SideBand) signal that is inherently incompatible with regular AM receivers, which expect to have a DSB (Double SideBand) signal. From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Mar 08 13:32:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 8 Mar 2002 21:31:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 69332 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2002 21:31:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2002 21:31:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2002 21:31:59 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.134]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:27:14 -0500 Message-ID: <00a101c1c6e7$ea928360$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: Subject: Hey Jeff! Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:26:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Jeff- we're all waiting for your news! Spill it!... :-) CC From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Mar 08 15:15:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 8 Mar 2002 23:15:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 55653 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2002 21:39:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2002 21:39:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2002 21:39:20 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.134]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:34:35 -0500 Message-ID: <00b901c1c6e8$f1eae520$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <00a101c1c6e7$ea928360$0101a8c0@pavilion> Subject: My list change Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:33:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I have emailed several people from the other list privately, but I am announcing that I am , from now on, only on this list. I firmly believe with the people on this list, we can get more done. Cheers to all, Chris From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Mar 08 17:05:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 9 Mar 2002 01:05:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 704 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2002 01:03:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2002 01:03:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.79) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2002 01:03:15 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.110] by n29.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2002 01:03:14 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 01:03:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: My list change Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00b901c1c6e8$f1eae520$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1275 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.34 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I have emailed several people from the other list privately, but I > am announcing that I am , from now on, only on this list. > I firmly believe with the people on this list, we can get more done. To those of you who have seen what is going on in the other AM Stereo mailing list, let me just say that as Sysops/Moderators of this group, Chris or I would never suspend anybody from this list as "punishment". All of us have all gotten along very well here, and also have managed to stay on-topic, and I see no reason why this would ever change. The AM Stereo Forum is pleased to be able to offer this kind of atmosphere that is welcoming to all people interested in AM Stereo. Right now we have members that represent listeners, radio station employees, and AM Stereo transmitter equipment manufacturers. The only thing missing is representation of companies that manufacture AM Stereo receivers, although if Ramsey does go through with their promises, that may change soon. Oh, and as of a few days ago, AM Stereo is now officially two decades old in the USA! The FCC approved its use on March 4, 1982. Hopefully 1450 WCTC wasn't the only AM Stereo station that actually mentioned this in their "Historical events on this date" segment on the 4th! From KC4QLP@aol.com Fri Mar 08 17:05:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 9 Mar 2002 01:05:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 11135 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2002 23:54:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2002 23:54:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m07.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.162) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2002 23:54:02 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.160.a032c8a (4412) for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:54:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <160.a032c8a.29baa917@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:53:59 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Symmetra Peak To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 3/8/02 12:04:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, jsgil@hal-pc.org writes: << Anyone interested in a Kahn "Symmetra Peak" from the old days? There is one on eBay. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1711064038 JSG >> Interesting enough we have one of those still in the equipment rack at WRCS 970 AM ....its not being used at the moment....hmmmm {ideas are generating} Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 3/8/02 4:35:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, ccuff@in4web.com writes: << Jeff- we're all waiting for your news! Spill it!... :-) CC >> He by chance wouldnt be getting married like myself would he? hehehe Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! 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Right now we have members that represent listeners, radio station employees, and AM Stereo transmitter equipment manufacturers. The only thing missing is representation of companies that manufacture AM Stereo receivers, although if Ramsey does go through with their promises, that may change soon. Oh, and as of a few days ago, AM Stereo is now officially two decades old in the USA! The FCC approved its use on March 4, 1982. Hopefully 1450 WCTC wasn't the only AM Stereo station that actually mentioned this in their "Historical events on this date" segment on the 4th! >> Also dont that the list has a company that will stop at nothing to fix any AM Station that is running stereo and will work to convert any mono station to stereo when funding is provided .That company would be Mid Atlantic Engineering Services.It is a contract engineering company. An interesting side note in regards to AM Stereo being 2 decades old...WGAI has been in stereo for 10 years and just over 5 months NewsRadio560 WGAI-AM Stereo-Broadcasting Quality AM Stereo Since 9-16-91 ------((((((AMAX)))))------ Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think I like this new list already :) Good to see LOTS of friendly, familiar faces here! MJR n WYO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rjskadl@yahoo.com Fri Mar 08 20:44:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 9 Mar 2002 04:44:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 1399 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2002 04:44:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2002 04:44:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.83) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2002 04:44:52 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.32] by n33.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2002 04:44:52 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 04:44:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: My list change Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4d.1a6c8a54.29bac55e@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5183 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl > Also dont [forget] that the list has a company that will stop at nothing to fix any AM > Station that is running stereo and will work to convert any mono station to > stereo when funding is provided .That company would be Mid Atlantic > Engineering Services.It is a contract engineering company. Also, take note that Mid Atlantic may have some competition in the New York Tri-State area from a couple of young lads who feel the same way. We are more than willing to do the work, as long as the station is willing to buy the equipment. I also want to get more involved with promoting AM stereo here in the NY Metro Area. Unfortunately when you have two time consuming part time jobs that pay lousy and a bunch of other lousy paying contract work (including some charity jobs for friends in the business) it is a difficult thing. I plan on buying an alfredo lite at some point in the future when I can afford one. I am hoping to get a nice full time job in the area here soon. maybe then I will be able to spread the stereo sound more. People think I am crazy when I tell them about AM stereo. Then they ask me why I care. I have been meaning to ask for a while. I am pretty good with equipment and how it works and all, but I kind of get lost when you get down to the component level. Is there some way that I can learn more about the electronic components and how to effectively read a schematic? I would love to do AM Stereo conversions (or as I like to call them Upgrades) but I feel kind of hesitant. Its like I don't know what I am looking at. I don't want to fry anyones radio on them. I don't even want to fry my own radios. Any tricks or sugggestions would be greatly appreciated. It may seem weird that someone who calls himself an audio engineer is saying this, but stuff is easier to fix these days because it is all modular. This is something I would really like to lear because even though I have been lucky to this point, and have been working with others all along, sooner or later i am going to have to deal with components on some level and I want to be able to know what to do. I appeciate your suggestions. -Russ --- In amstereoforum@y..., KC4QLP@a... wrote: > In a message dated 3/8/02 8:09:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, > kevtronics@y... writes: > > << The AM Stereo Forum is pleased to be able to offer this kind of > atmosphere that is welcoming to all people interested in AM Stereo. > Right now we have members that represent listeners, radio station > employees, and AM Stereo transmitter equipment manufacturers. The > only thing missing is representation of companies that manufacture AM > Stereo receivers, although if Ramsey does go through with their > promises, that may change soon. > > Oh, and as of a few days ago, AM Stereo is now officially two decades > old in the USA! The FCC approved its use on March 4, 1982. > Hopefully 1450 WCTC wasn't the only AM Stereo station that actually > mentioned this in their "Historical events on this date" segment on > the 4th! >> > > Also dont that the list has a company that will stop at nothing to fix any AM > Station that is running stereo and will work to convert any mono station to > stereo when funding is provided .That company would be Mid Atlantic > Engineering Services.It is a contract engineering company. > An interesting side note in regards to AM Stereo being 2 decades old...WGAI > has been in stereo for 10 years and just over 5 months > > NewsRadio560 WGAI-AM Stereo-Broadcasting Quality AM Stereo Since 9-16-91 > ------((((((AMAX)))))--- --- > Bob Carter > Operations/Engineering > > WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 > Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio > Network > > Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering > services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. > e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@y... > http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice > Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC > WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC > WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC > > AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- > amstereoradio- subcribe@t... > amstereo-subcribe@t... > amstereoradio-subscribe@y... > > KC4QLP Amateur Radio > www.kc4qlp.cjb.net > > voice contact-252-335-0856 > fax 1-209-254-8978 > _______________________________________________________ > > WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter > 5, Subchapter II, > "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a > download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of > these terms." > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > > ------------------- From amfmdx@fastq.com Fri Mar 08 22:15:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 9 Mar 2002 06:15:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 86745 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2002 06:15:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2002 06:15:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2002 06:15:09 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d122-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.154]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g296F8n16472 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 23:15:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <001a01c1c731$2abdeee0$9af9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: Subject: Yahoo! Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 23:10:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Congratulate me, I am one of the few, the proud, the honored ones that was tossed off Dennis list. I should have left long ago. Anyway, I am on this list and Bob Carters AM stereo list. Long may this list and Bob's list run! Kevin Mesa, Arizona [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Bossmsx@aol.com Fri Mar 08 22:35:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 9 Mar 2002 06:35:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 74636 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2002 06:35:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2002 06:35:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m09.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.164) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2002 06:35:12 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.195.3658dab (4543) for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 01:35:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <195.3658dab.29bb071b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 01:35:07 EST Subject: Re: Yahoo!! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP US sub 50 From: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <> And to celebrate your ouster, I also left Dennis' list...I say 'also', because I think several people have left that list today. --tony s./miami [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmdx@fastq.com Fri Mar 08 23:04:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 9 Mar 2002 07:04:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 17968 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2002 07:04:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2002 07:04:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2002 07:04:29 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d122-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.154]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g2974Sn16730 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 00:04:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <00e201c1c738$0b11daa0$9af9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <195.3658dab.29bb071b@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Yahoo!! Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 00:00:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 Tony, I have thought about leaving that list for a long time. I talked to Chris Cuff about it several times. Dennis is not all there. Hes a strange character. What is a big surprise to me is that several people wrote me that they left as well. I guess Dennis just got to be too much. If you are interested, I have a DX list that has run for some time. Its quite informal and called ABDX, American Broadcast DXers. Bob Carter, Chris Cuff and others you know are on it. We have a great time on there. Let me know if you are interested. We speak DX and AM stereo there. Everything from LW to satellites are discussed. AM, FM, TV you name it is on it. Heck, there was even some discussion of Sci-Fi books and DX on it at one time. Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 11:35 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Yahoo!! > < list.>> > > And to celebrate your ouster, I also left Dennis' list...I say 'also', > because I think several people have left that list today. > > --tony s./miami > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From jsgil@hal-pc.org Fri Mar 08 23:16:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 9 Mar 2002 07:16:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 18356 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2002 07:16:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2002 07:16:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.82) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2002 07:16:44 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.151] by n32.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2002 07:16:44 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 07:16:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Yahoo! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001a01c1c731$2abdeee0$9af9bed8@kredding430cdt> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 612 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.130.37 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevin" wrote: > Congratulate me, > > I am one of the few, the proud, the honored ones that was tossed off Dennis list. I should have left long ago. > > Anyway, I am on this list and Bob Carters AM stereo list. > > Long may this list and Bob's list run! > > Kevin > Mesa, Arizona Well I joined this group ~5mo ago and was the 1st group I joined. I guess I picked the right one so I guess I didn't miss much on that 'other' list. I didn't know that Bob Carter had a list though, maybe I should check it out. Is it at yahoo or is it hosted somehwere else? JSG From KC4QLP@aol.com Fri Mar 08 23:54:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 9 Mar 2002 07:54:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 59790 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2002 07:54:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2002 07:54:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2002 07:54:32 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.190.37351a5 (1320) for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 02:54:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <190.37351a5.29bb19b4@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 02:54:28 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Yahoo! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 3/9/02 2:17:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, jsgil@hal-pc.org writes: << Well I joined this group ~5mo ago and was the 1st group I joined. I guess I picked the right one so I guess I didn't miss much on that 'other' list. I didn't know that Bob Carter had a list though, maybe I should check it out. Is it at yahoo or is it hosted somehwere else? JSG >> There are several list online that I have created...the list at topica.com are the most active..the others are only back-ups. The list have been around for just over a year.....because I saw this fiasco happening. I never encourage activity over anothers list as I feel that there is enough to go around....besides..the way yahoo is going,one never knows from one day to the next. My point is just to make sure activity continues no matter what happens. All are welcome amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com http://communities.msn.com/AMStereo http://www.communityzero.com/amstereoradio amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From jeffdeck@aol.com Sat Mar 09 04:52:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 9 Mar 2002 12:52:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 11612 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2002 12:52:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2002 12:52:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.61) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2002 12:52:28 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.23] by n11.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2002 12:52:06 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 12:48:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Hey Jeff! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <177.4c8abed.29bac227@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 413 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jeffdeck2001" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.197.52 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4430287 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 No, I am not getting married. My wife would have an issue with that! Hang tight, I am not ready to 'spill the beans' yet. Hopefully my announcement will be met favorably. It looks like the sky is falling over at that "other" list. What happened? 73, Jeff In a message dated 3/8/2002 9:30:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, Bob writes: >He by chance wouldnt be getting married like myself would he? >hehehe From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Mar 09 09:49:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 9 Mar 2002 17:49:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 5043 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2002 17:49:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2002 17:49:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2002 17:49:01 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-139.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.139]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g29HnAbd025644 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 11:49:11 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001901c1c792$e7839f00$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <195.3658dab.29bb071b@aol.com> <00e201c1c738$0b11daa0$9af9bed8@kredding430cdt> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Yahoo!! Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 11:50:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I haven't left, yet, but he got into another round of Bush bashing, and I replied that I'd be willing to follow any rules he himself was willing to obey. I notice he intercepted the message and it never got posted. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin > > What is a big surprise to me is that several people wrote me that they left > as well. I guess Dennis just got to be too much. > From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Mar 09 09:57:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 9 Mar 2002 17:57:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 24209 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2002 17:57:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2002 17:57:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2002 17:57:17 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-139.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.139]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g29HvKbd026765 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 11:57:27 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <003301c1c794$0ef97040$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hey Jeff! Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 11:58:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Whaddayawanna make a bet he's about to pull an MJR at some station in Ohio? ST PS, as far as what happened on the other list, Dennis was becoming a bit like Bryan. (For those who don't know, Bryan moderated the original AMS list, and he became extremely picayune about what was posted in the latter days. Dennis created another list and the old one ceased shortly thereafter.) ----- Original Message ----- From: jeffdeck2001 To: Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 6:48 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Hey Jeff! > No, I am not getting married. My wife would have an issue with > that! Hang tight, I am not ready to 'spill the beans' yet. > Hopefully my announcement will be met favorably. It looks like the > sky is falling over at that "other" list. What happened? 73, Jeff > > In a message dated 3/8/2002 9:30:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, Bob > writes: > >He by chance wouldnt be getting married like myself would he? > >hehehe > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Mar 09 11:07:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 9 Mar 2002 19:07:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 27284 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2002 19:07:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2002 19:07:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.5) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2002 19:07:18 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.11a.d39d470 (30962) for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 14:07:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <11a.d39d470.29bbb762@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 14:07:14 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Yahoo!! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 3/9/02 1:00:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, stodd@sherbtel.net writes: << I haven't left, yet, but he got into another round of Bush bashing, and I replied that I'd be willing to follow any rules he himself was willing to obey. I notice he intercepted the message and it never got posted. ST >> What a shame ..... Oh well,we win some,and we lose some....sounds like we may have all been on the losing end "over there"...but there are other list like this one and life goes on. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Mar 09 11:26:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 9 Mar 2002 19:26:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 47681 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2002 19:26:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2002 19:26:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2002 19:26:54 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.18f.490e709 (30962) for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 14:26:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <18f.490e709.29bbbbf1@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 14:26:41 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hey Jeff! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 3/9/02 1:48:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, stodd@sherbtel.net writes: << Whaddayawanna make a bet he's about to pull an MJR at some station in Ohio? ST>> Now that would make my day! << PS, as far as what happened on the other list, Dennis was becoming a bit like Bryan. (For those who don't know, Bryan moderated the original AMS list, and he became extremely picayune about what was posted in the latter days. Dennis created another list and the old one ceased shortly thereafter.) >> Like I say..dictatorships never last and I'm placing "bets" now on the current one. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From michaelj@vcn.com Sat Mar 09 12:58:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 9 Mar 2002 20:58:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 40399 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2002 20:58:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2002 20:58:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO boron.vcn.com) (209.193.72.5) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2002 20:58:10 -0000 Received: from kaoxevanston (unverified [63.175.110.75]) by boron.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 13:58:10 -0700 Message-ID: <012701c1c7ad$1e93d900$0200a8c0@kaoxevanston> To: References: <195.3658dab.29bb071b@aol.com> <00e201c1c738$0b11daa0$9af9bed8@kredding430cdt> <001901c1c792$e7839f00$d3a9fea9@me> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Yahoo!! Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 13:58:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Michael J. Richard - KAOX FM" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi guys There's something that rather worries me a touch. The NRCDXAS FTP archive is one of the and probably THE MOST comprehensive archive of AMS airchecks and AMS material that we have. If Dennis' list goes bye-bye are we going to lose that too? Is Fred Vobbe aware of all that's going on too? Does one of us need to approach him and make sure that this archive is going to be okay even if the nrcdxas am stereo list does go away? So many of us have put so much time into preparing and uploading all of these air checks and audio stuff.....I just don't want to see Dennis lock us all out from all of that and wipe out the archive. Don't know about you guys, but I certainly wouldn't put it past him. Should we get other FTP space or like I said...contact Fred to make sure that will stay as it is? It's very unique and is the only archive of its kind out there. What do you all think? Oh..and Scott...I DID get your message about the bush bashing and how he should follow the rules too. And it came under the AMSTEREO list heading...so it appears it did get posted. Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 10:50 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Yahoo!! I haven't left, yet, but he got into another round of Bush bashing, and I replied that I'd be willing to follow any rules he himself was willing to obey. I notice he intercepted the message and it never got posted. ST [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Mar 09 13:26:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 9 Mar 2002 21:26:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 33133 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2002 21:26:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2002 21:26:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2002 21:26:39 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.44.1c5385a4 (4238) for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 16:26:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <44.1c5385a4.29bbd80b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 16:26:35 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Yahoo!! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 3/9/02 3:58:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, michaelj@vcn.com writes: << Should we get other FTP space or like I said...contact Fred to make sure that will stay as it is? It's very unique and is the only archive of its kind out there. What do you all think? >> Well even if Fred does secure the FTP space if lets say the list at NRCDXAS goes "*poof"* ...It might not hurt to have a back-up FTP somewheres. Web sites go down,get hacked and the sort...and might help if we had several places to store and retreive audio files,written files and the like. This group and my group here on yahoo has some storage space for files. I'm sure there are probably other sites to store things as well. Speaking of the FTP at NRCDXAS,..has anyone looked recently to see if everything is still there? With all the folks dropping like flies over there..... I'm hoping and holding my breath that all is still there. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From michaelj@vcn.com Sat Mar 09 13:40:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 9 Mar 2002 21:40:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 75886 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2002 21:40:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2002 21:40:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO boron.vcn.com) (209.193.72.5) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2002 21:40:18 -0000 Received: from kaoxevanston (unverified [63.175.110.75]) by boron.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 14:40:18 -0700 Message-ID: <013701c1c7b3$01b35d50$0200a8c0@kaoxevanston> To: References: <44.1c5385a4.29bbd80b@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Yahoo!! Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 14:40:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Michael J. Richard - KAOX FM" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bob Just checked. It's all still there. "scoping" my KMER air check as we speak. Will be uploading it to there in the next little while when I get finished. There's SO much in that archive. SO much work on everyone's part. And SO many gems there that are literally priceless and can't be gotten again if lost. I'm guessing everyone (like myself) who has added airchecks and demos to that archive has their OWN personal archive of the stuff on their local machines or whatever. I know I'm keeping copies of everything I put up there......even if it's just archives in MP3 format on a CD. MJR Speaking of the FTP at NRCDXAS,..has anyone looked recently to see if everything is still there? With all the folks dropping like flies over there..... I'm hoping and holding my breath that all is still there. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Mar 09 19:15:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 10 Mar 2002 03:15:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 26587 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2002 03:15:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2002 03:15:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.53) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2002 03:15:46 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.49] by n3.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2002 03:14:10 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 03:14:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1950s AM Stereo tuner Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1567 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.69.32 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics This is an eBay auction for a '50s Lafayette vacuum tube stereo system: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1338090888 The tuner appears to be the same chassis as the DeWald tuner featured on the AMStereoRadio web site, both with an "AM Stereo" output on the rear panel. Compare the rear panel photo of the Lafayette on eBay, with the DeWald: http://www.amstereoradio.com/ccuff/dewald1.jpg Looks the same to me. Aside from minor cosmetic differences, the front panel and tuning dial are the same as well. A large number of high-end tuners in the 1950s and even early 1960s were designed for "two-station" Stereo broadcasts, usually one station on AM and the other on FM, but sometimes radios included two separate AM tuner sections so you could tune in two-station AM-AM stereo broadcasts as well. However, just as the emergence of Multiplex (single-station) FM Stereo was expected (and came true in 1961), it appears DeWald and Lafayette also anticipated multiplex AM Stereo, which there were many experiments with at the time, but as we all know, didn't officially arrive until the early 1980s. BTW, there is no reason why two-station Stereo couldn't be done today. For example there are two mono AM stations in my area that are simulcasting each other, with a syndicated music format. It would be a piece of cake for them to feed the Left channel into one station and the Right channel into the other, and then anybody with two AM radios would be able to enjoy two-station AM Stereo with unlimited stereo separation! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Mar 09 19:22:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 10 Mar 2002 03:22:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 96547 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2002 03:22:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2002 03:22:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.59) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2002 03:22:53 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.48] by n9.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2002 03:22:53 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 03:22:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Sony SRF-M78? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 210 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.69.32 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Okay, I know this is a long shot, but is there any chance in the world that this Sony walkman is actually "FM STEREO/AM STEREO" as advertised? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1338131710 From amfmdx@fastq.com Sat Mar 09 19:31:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 10 Mar 2002 03:31:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 64555 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2002 03:31:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2002 03:31:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2002 03:31:04 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d210-osel.phx.fastq.com [207.173.146.199]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g2A3V2n30418 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 20:31:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <011b01c1c7e2$d2f6a3c0$c792adcf@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony SRF-M78? Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 20:22:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 Kevin, If I remember correctly, on the dead list, we found that there wasn't any AM stereo on it. I think someone bought one and said it was strictly AM mono. Hey, if the price is cheap enough, bid on it and let us know. Kevin Mesa, Arizona ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevtronics" To: Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 8:22 PM Subject: {AMSF} Sony SRF-M78? > Okay, I know this is a long shot, but is there any chance in the world > that this Sony walkman is actually "FM STEREO/AM STEREO" as > advertised? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1338131710 > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sat Mar 09 20:07:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 10 Mar 2002 04:07:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 39694 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2002 04:07:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2002 04:07:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.184) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2002 04:07:43 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 20:07:43 -0800 Received: from 209.240.222.130 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 04:07:42 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony SRF-M78? Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 04:07:42 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Mar 2002 04:07:43.0277 (UTC) FILETIME=[20AF95D0:01C1C7E9] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.222.130] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Kevin R, Your memory serves you well; this model SRF-M78 has been discussed previously;(David Ring asking about it late last year) seems to me that Chris either bought one or tried one out and discovered it to be a.m. mono. The kicker is that Sony (and they've done this with other models) advertises it to be a.m. stereo. I don't know if Sony is just sloppy with their advertising or if they try to mislead; either way, it doesn't help their credibility. donn st petersburg (back online) ----Original Message Follows---- From: "kevin" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony SRF-M78? Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 20:22:34 -0700 Kevin, If I remember correctly, on the dead list, we found that there wasn't any AM stereo on it. I think someone bought one and said it was strictly AM mono. Hey, if the price is cheap enough, bid on it and let us know. Kevin Mesa, Arizona ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevtronics" To: Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 8:22 PM Subject: {AMSF} Sony SRF-M78? > Okay, I know this is a long shot, but is there any chance in the world > that this Sony walkman is actually "FM STEREO/AM STEREO" as > advertised? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1338131710 > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From amfmdx@fastq.com Sat Mar 09 20:18:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 10 Mar 2002 04:18:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 78245 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2002 04:18:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2002 04:18:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2002 04:18:25 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d210-osel.phx.fastq.com [207.173.146.199]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g2A4IOn30896 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 21:18:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <015601c1c7e9$694dd360$c792adcf@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: The only way to be sure.... Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 21:09:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 > Your memory serves you well; this model SRF-M78 has been discussed > previously;(David Ring asking about it late last year) seems to me that > Chris either bought one or tried one out and discovered it to be a.m. mono. Well for my memory to be right, thats the first time! There is only one way to be sure that you are going to get an AM stereo radio. Thats to buy a AM stereo radio or conversion from Chris Cuff. You know you are getting the real unadulterated straight stuff. You know that its gonna be real AM stereo all the way. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Sat Mar 09 21:32:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 10 Mar 2002 05:32:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 6814 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2002 05:32:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2002 05:32:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.73) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2002 05:32:02 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.169] by n23.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2002 05:32:02 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 05:31:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM Stereo Advertising Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 277 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.159.169.37 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 I collect electronics catalogs and such and have come upon some AM Stereo models. I uploaded the Denon TU-680NAB and Sony SRF-42 brochures. I also have a 1985 Sony brochure which has all the tuners and receivers that feature AM Stereo. I will post those soon. Thanks, Matt From dav259@minerals.csiro.au Sun Mar 10 00:03:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@minerals.csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 10 Mar 2002 08:03:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 98494 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2002 08:03:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2002 08:03:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2002 08:03:45 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA23536 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 19:03:42 +1100 (EST) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 19:03:42 +1100 (EST) To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hey Jeff! In-Reply-To: <003301c1c794$0ef97040$d3a9fea9@me> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24627097 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sat, 9 Mar 2002, Scott Todd wrote: > PS, as far as what happened on the other list, Dennis was becoming a bit > like Bryan. (For those who don't know, Bryan moderated the original AMS > list, and he became extremely picayune about what was posted in the latter > days. Dennis created another list and the old one ceased shortly > thereafter.) Scott - this is not totally true - certainly the time frame. From my recollection Bryan trashed his list several hours after this one was created. At the time it was bigger than Dennis' but had only a trickle of traffic. I just hope we can all get on. A champion team is better than a team of champions. And no matter what can be thrown at Dennis (some justifiably) he was never like the anonymous Bryan - he has commitment and enthusiasm - and as things are at the mo deserves a bit of compassion. Ian From joen3wtv@yahoo.com Sun Mar 10 08:22:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: joen3wtv@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 10 Mar 2002 16:22:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 84848 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2002 16:22:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2002 16:22:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11702.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.68) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2002 16:22:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20020310162217.44987.qmail@web11702.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.155.45.116] by web11702.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 08:22:17 PST Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 08:22:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo Advertising To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: joe elias X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=35888484 X-Yahoo-Profile: joen3wtv in this post someone mentioned the denon tuner.from someone i know who owns one.he clams the am on it is better than anything else he has ever owned....joe --- matt_haw2000 wrote: > I collect electronics catalogs and such and have > come upon some AM > Stereo models. I uploaded the Denon TU-680NAB and > Sony SRF-42 > brochures. I also have a 1985 Sony brochure which > has all the tuners > and receivers that feature AM Stereo. I will post > those soon. > > Thanks, > Matt > > ===== +++ PRAY THE ROSARY EVERYDAY +++ +++ O MARY CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN PRAY FOR US WHO HAVE RECOURSE TO THEE+++ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Mar 10 12:38:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 10 Mar 2002 20:38:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 98947 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2002 20:38:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2002 20:38:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2002 20:38:04 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-175.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.175]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2AKcAbd009279 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 14:38:11 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001101c1c873$b13f6280$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <195.3658dab.29bb071b@aol.com> <00e201c1c738$0b11daa0$9af9bed8@kredding430cdt> <001901c1c792$e7839f00$d3a9fea9@me> <012701c1c7ad$1e93d900$0200a8c0@kaoxevanston> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Yahoo!! Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 14:39:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Interesting... I wondered if I occasionally didn't get some postings for whatever reason. Fortunately it wasn't that often. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael J. Richard - KAOX FM To: > Oh..and Scott...I DID get your message about the bush bashing and how he should follow the rules too. And it came under the AMSTEREO list heading...so it appears it did get posted. From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Mar 10 13:17:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 10 Mar 2002 21:17:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 49307 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2002 21:16:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2002 21:16:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2002 21:16:42 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-175.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.175]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2ALGgbd014376 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 15:16:50 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <009101c1c879$17749980$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hey Jeff! Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 15:18:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I didn't say the parallel was perfect, but merely some of Bryan's tendencies were now beginning to show up in Dennis as well. I will agree he was an enthusiastic participant. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Davidson To: Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2002 2:03 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hey Jeff! > On Sat, 9 Mar 2002, Scott Todd wrote: > > > PS, as far as what happened on the other list, Dennis was becoming a bit > > like Bryan. (For those who don't know, Bryan moderated the original AMS > > list, and he became extremely picayune about what was posted in the latter > > days. Dennis created another list and the old one ceased shortly > > thereafter.) > > Scott - this is not totally true - certainly the time frame. > > From my recollection Bryan trashed his list several hours after this one > was created. At the time it was bigger than Dennis' but had only a > trickle of traffic. > > I just hope we can all get on. A champion team is better than a team of > champions. > > And no matter what can be thrown at Dennis (some justifiably) he was never > like the anonymous Bryan - he has commitment and enthusiasm - and as > things are at the mo deserves a bit of compassion. > > Ian From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Mar 10 14:11:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 10 Mar 2002 22:11:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 41595 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2002 22:11:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2002 22:11:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2002 22:11:11 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.178]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 17:06:35 -0500 Message-ID: <004f01c1c87f$b93effc0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: Subject: the website Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 17:05:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 To all- We apparently need a new home for the www.amstereoradio.com website. We need to find something soon, to maintain continuity and not lose potential interest. Chris From joen3wtv@yahoo.com Sun Mar 10 14:17:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: joen3wtv@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 10 Mar 2002 22:17:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 29933 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2002 22:17:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2002 22:17:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11706.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.72) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2002 22:17:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20020310221751.92343.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.170.170.42] by web11706.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 14:17:51 PST Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 14:17:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} the website To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <004f01c1c87f$b93effc0$0101a8c0@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: joe elias X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=35888484 X-Yahoo-Profile: joen3wtv whats wrong with this here....joe --- Christopher Cuff wrote: > To all- We apparently need a new home for the > www.amstereoradio.com website. > We need to find something soon, to maintain > continuity and not lose > potential interest. > Chris > > > ===== +++ PRAY THE ROSARY EVERYDAY +++ +++ O MARY CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN PRAY FOR US WHO HAVE RECOURSE TO THEE+++ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From joen3wtv@yahoo.com Sun Mar 10 14:21:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: joen3wtv@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 10 Mar 2002 22:21:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 50396 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2002 22:21:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2002 22:21:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11702.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.68) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2002 22:21:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20020310222104.76118.qmail@web11702.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.170.170.42] by web11702.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 14:21:04 PST Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 14:21:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Yahoo!! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001101c1c873$b13f6280$d3a9fea9@me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: joe elias X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=35888484 X-Yahoo-Profile: joen3wtv i can tell you from personal experience.theres other yahoo groups i subscribe to that have had problems.the trouble was last week yahoo had a server go down that wreaked havoc for them.from another source.they claim things should be back to normal as soon as all the clubs are moved to yahoo groups,and the server comes back online....joe --- Scott Todd wrote: > Interesting... I wondered if I occasionally didn't > get some postings for > whatever reason. Fortunately it wasn't that often. > > ST > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael J. Richard - KAOX FM > > To: > > Oh..and Scott...I DID get your message about the > bush bashing and how he > should follow the rules too. And it came under the > AMSTEREO list > heading...so it appears it did get posted. > > > ===== +++ PRAY THE ROSARY EVERYDAY +++ +++ O MARY CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN PRAY FOR US WHO HAVE RECOURSE TO THEE+++ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From KC4QLP@aol.com Sun Mar 10 14:44:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 10 Mar 2002 22:44:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 6786 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2002 22:44:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2002 22:44:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.7) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2002 22:44:27 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.182.4d7d590 (4329) for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 17:44:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <182.4d7d590.29bd3bc8@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 17:44:24 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} the website To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 3/10/02 5:17:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, ccuff@in4web.com writes: << To all- We apparently need a new home for the www.amstereoradio.com website. We need to find something soon, to maintain continuity and not lose potential interest. Chris >> What is the budget for moving and operating the www.amstereoradio.com website? I'll check on a few things and pass them along. also..what sort of options are needed and or desired Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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I"think" I read this that he cannot keep it on his server??? I, too am confused... It IS still working, at least for now. cc ----- Original Message ----- From: joe elias To: Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2002 5:17 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} the website > whats wrong with this here....joe > --- Christopher Cuff wrote: > > To all- We apparently need a new home for the > > www.amstereoradio.com website. From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Mar 10 16:14:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 11 Mar 2002 00:14:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 58939 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2002 00:14:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2002 00:14:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r09.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.105) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2002 00:14:04 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.7f.22b0f724 (18254) for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 19:14:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7f.22b0f724.29bd50c8@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 19:14:00 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Eureka 147 "not gonna happen" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Clear Channel's 50 kW AMs would have the same power, if IBOC ever happened, than a Class C3 FM station. In other words, the primary coverage would be less than 25 miles; instead of the current primaries of 125-300 miles. A 100 kW FM would be reduced in coverage to that of a 100-watter under IBOC; they can't cover more than five miles. An analog 100 kW FM station has a primary coverage area of up to 60 miles. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://members.aol.com/n0uiheric/TurnOffClearChannel.html http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/turnoffclearchannel From mwradio@gmx.net Sun Mar 10 16:36:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mwradio@gmx.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 11 Mar 2002 00:36:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 37868 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2002 00:36:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2002 00:36:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.dnbsi.com) (207.229.108.169) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2002 00:36:06 -0000 Received: from espositojm2 (0-1pool157-221.nas1.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net [65.128.157.221]) by smtp.dnbsi.com (Postfix) with SMTP id ACA82CEDA for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 16:36:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <007701c1c894$b9573620$06630780@espositojm2> To: References: <004f01c1c87f$b93effc0$0101a8c0@pavilion> Subject: Re: {AMSF} the website Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 19:36:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Joe Esposito" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=93604673 X-Yahoo-Profile: espositojm There are many good cheap web hosting services out there. What is the average monthly bandwidth? How much hard drive space is needed? I am working on a web-controlled radio project right now and have found a few lost cost hosting services. Joe Esposito ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Cuff" To: Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2002 5:05 PM Subject: {AMSF} the website > To all- We apparently need a new home for the www.amstereoradio.com website. > We need to find something soon, to maintain continuity and not lose > potential interest. > Chris From dav259@minerals.csiro.au Sun Mar 10 16:45:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@minerals.csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 11 Mar 2002 00:45:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 18377 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2002 00:45:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2002 00:45:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2002 00:45:32 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29396 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:45:30 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:45:30 +1100 (EST) To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} the website In-Reply-To: <007701c1c894$b9573620$06630780@espositojm2> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24627097 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sun, 10 Mar 2002, Joe Esposito wrote: > There are many good cheap web hosting services out there. What is the > average monthly bandwidth? How much hard drive space is needed? > I am working on a web-controlled radio project right now and have found a > few lost cost hosting services. Joe - I think we need more than a cheap site - we need someone with Ben's expertise to host and modify it. Ian From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Mar 10 16:49:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 11 Mar 2002 00:49:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 24879 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2002 00:49:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2002 00:49:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.59) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2002 00:49:06 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.146] by n9.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2002 00:49:02 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 00:49:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Eureka 147 "not gonna happen" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7f.22b0f724.29bd50c8@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1163 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.19 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics IBOC is already a technological orphan, because the ITU (International Telecommunications Union) has ruled that it is only going to be used for the AM band in the USA. The Shortwave and Longwave bands are internationally going to use the DRM (Digital Radio Mondial) system, as well as the AM/MW band in the rest of the world besides the USA -- *including Canada*. However, DRM really isn't any better or worse than IBOC. The audio quality isn't any better than IBOC, and it has the same issues with signal coverage and adjacent channel interference. As for the DAB system (formerly known as "Eureka 147") which operates on a separate band (not on AM/FM/shortwave), its inherent quality and performance is actually pretty good, but it will never succeed in North America because the U.S. military is not giving up the frequency range it uses, and anyway commercial broadcasters hate it because it will give all stations equal status. So far, DAB is only successful in Europe, and that's because most of the DAB stations there are government run (such as BBC radio) so therefore they actually *want* all of their stations to have equal status. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sun Mar 10 18:23:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 11 Mar 2002 02:23:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 84724 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2002 02:22:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2002 02:22:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.66) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2002 02:22:24 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.119] by n16.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2002 02:21:39 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 02:21:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Eureka 147 "not gonna happen" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1386 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.89 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > IBOC is already a technological orphan, because the ITU (International > Telecommunications Union) has ruled that it is only going to be used > for the AM band in the USA. Considering that FM has more unused bandwidth than AM I would think that IBOC would have better luck on FM. With the channel overlap on AM at night it would wreck havoc with an adjacent channel especially for DXing. One of the pluses for AM is its DX capabilities and to lose that because the IBOC signal is putting trash in the adjacent channels lower frequencies is not something we want to happen. I base this on the asumption that the IBOC signal would be angle modulated in the 6-10KHz range so as to not be detectable by the envelope detector. On cheap narrowband radios it would not be noticeable but if you were using a wide filter the skirts of the filter would not maintain accurate phase relationships and some of the IBOC trash would be detected by the envelope detector. Now for the adjacent channel the IBOC signal would show up as digital monkey chatter and what could be worse than that. I've not run across much info on how the IBOC signal would be modulated but this seems like the most obvious way to do it. If anyone else knows the type of modulation that will be used feel free to correct me or add to it. JSG From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun Mar 10 18:37:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 11 Mar 2002 02:37:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 62951 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2002 02:37:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2002 02:37:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2002 02:37:56 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d36-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.68]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g2B2bsn41195 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 19:37:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <004001c1c8a5$84d38be0$44f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: IBOC on FM Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 19:36:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 > Considering that FM has more unused bandwidth than AM I would think > that IBOC would have better luck on FM. I don't know where you live brother but here in AZ almost every FM channel from Channel 201 to Channel 300 are PACKED as tight as a black hole. I find FM even more crowded than MW! I think that the Ibiquity guys would be insane to bring out IBOC on FM. There is NO reason to put IBOC on FM at all since the signal is damn good and damn clean already. If Ibiquity has two brain cells to rub together, they would roll it out on MW first so it would make such a notable difference. People will not be impressed at all if IBOC is rolled out on FM first. I would like to see some real testing done in real time with real stations under real conditions with IBOC on MW before I say its a failure. I think its gonna blow up in the digital adherents faces but I would love to see it done just to put the mess to rest one way or the other. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Mar 10 18:59:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 11 Mar 2002 02:59:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 18675 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2002 02:59:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2002 02:59:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.71) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2002 02:59:58 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.119] by n21.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2002 02:42:46 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 02:59:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC on FM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004001c1c8a5$84d38be0$44f9bed8@kredding430cdt> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1687 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.19 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I think that the Ibiquity guys would be insane to bring out IBOC on > FM. There is NO reason to put IBOC on FM at all since the signal is > damn good and damn clean already. IBOC on FM has the same adjacent channel interference problems that it does on AM. For example, in New York City, 102.7 WNEW-FM tested IBOC for a while. All during this time, people complained about hearing a "buzzing" noise on 102.5 and 102.9 MHz that was wiping out their reception of these channels. I heard the "buzzing" myself on 102.5 and during this time, my reception of 102.9 WMGK from Philadelphia suddenly became a lot more difficult. When WNEW-FM quit their IBOC tests, things went back to normal and the adjacent channel "buzzing" magically disappeared. IBOC on FM uses a digital system similar in quality to MP3 at 192 kbps. Yeah, that sounds pretty good, but if you have a close ear, you will still be able to spot some "artifacts" in the sound, which will especially be exaggerated if the station also uses another "lossy" digital compression system for their computerized music storage. > I would like to see some real testing done in real time with real > stations under real conditions with IBOC on MW before I say its a > failure. The IBOC web site has a listing of AM and FM stations which they claim are using IBOC, but in most cases, these stations just tested IBOC for a brief period and then shut it off. For example they still list 102.7 WNEW-FM as being IBOC when they're definitely not. They also list 960 KABL as an IBOC test station, and that is obviously impossible because KABL continues to broadcast C-Quam analog AM Stereo with beautiful quality! From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Sun Mar 10 20:12:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 11 Mar 2002 04:12:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 35409 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2002 04:12:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2002 04:12:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.74) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2002 04:12:13 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.179] by n24.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2002 04:12:12 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 04:12:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WLAC still has pilot! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1007 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.144.219.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 Hi. Every night I have been getting a pilot light on WLAC loud and clear. Why is the light being tripped? There is no interference at all so I doubt another station is causing the pilot. I have a mult- system so are they perhaps using the PowerSide? Also WGY Schenectady is the same. Loud and clear, with the pilot. There are no seperation on both but the pilot does come in cleanly everynight for the past week. Tonight has been an excellent dxing night! I've been picking up stations from as far away as Charlotte NC, Des Moines, IA, Boston MA and Sudbury ON. I'm located in London. Also tonight was the first time getting WFAN in stereo! I've been trying for a while and I never got a pilot even when the signal was strong. Will I still be able to receive WFAN, WGN, WJR, WLS, WPHT in Barrie ON. It's a 100 kms north of Toronto? I ask because I'm moving there in April and I would still like to get all the AMS stations. I know i'll be able to pull in CIGM Sudbury cleanly at night. Matt From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sun Mar 10 20:36:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 11 Mar 2002 04:36:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 15219 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2002 04:36:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2002 04:36:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.80) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2002 04:36:08 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.134] by n30.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2002 04:36:08 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 04:36:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC on FM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004001c1c8a5$84d38be0$44f9bed8@kredding430cdt> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2380 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.86 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevin" wrote: > > Considering that FM has more unused bandwidth than AM I would think > > that IBOC would have better luck on FM. > > I don't know where you live brother but here in AZ almost every FM channel > from Channel 201 to Channel 300 are PACKED as tight as a black hole. I find > FM even more crowded than MW! > I was refering to the fact that FM has so much more KHz in bandwidth alloted to each channel than AM. If I remember correctly analog FM is alowed a max modulation freq of 92 KHz and the L-R subcarrier ends around 53 KHz, thats 40 KHz of BW that can be used for digital compared to ~5KHz of Audio BW to do it on AM. Now I know that there's the SCA stuff also but that could also be encoded at a low bit rate and not take up much room and those guys could upgrade to a digital receiver. The problem arises with IBOC FM because the IBOC signal lies way outside the 92 KHz limit into the adjacent channels bandwidth. This is why it causes interference. From my impression, is whoever designed the IBOC FM system had more in mind than just enough bandwidth for digital stereo music because I don't think you would need the 430 KHz in BW that the system uses which is more than double what they use for analog. As for AM the big argument for the NRSC 10.2 KHz freq limit was that stations were stepping on each other at night even though that part of the spectrum was not CW. The IBOC transmittion would be a CW signal and would create a worse situation than analog information. The available spectrum would probably be in the 6-10.2 KHz audio range for IBOC to coexist within the alloted channel spectrum unless the NAB or some other group petitioned the FCC to widen the limit, contradicting the earlier move to narrow it on the grounds of interference especially since digital noise is more of an interference problem than analog modulation. While the FM capture effect has some protection from interference AM has none and would be much more pronounced and objectionable. Believe me, IBOC would be a worse disaster on AM. There is no breathing room in the AM band but there is some on FM if they would stay within the alloted banwidth. To simulate the effect that a digital modulation would have on an AM receiver just place your AM radio next to a computer and you will see(hear) what I mean. JSG From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun Mar 10 21:06:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 11 Mar 2002 05:06:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 35059 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2002 05:06:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2002 05:06:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2002 05:06:34 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d36-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.68]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g2B56Wn43385 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 22:06:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <009b01c1c8ba$16901c60$44f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: IBOC is really coming..... Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 22:03:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 Guys, We have to face facts. All the things you all say are true about IBOC. That said, you have to look at this from the eyes of the broadcaster to understand what is going on. Broadcasters don't give a flying rat if their signal can be heard more than about 50 to 75 miles from the station. Yeah, I said it. There are some but most think this way and you will read my theory why. It has NOTHING to do with listeners. There are broadcasters on this list and they may slap me down and tell me I am dead wrong, or they agree with me. There is constant research on MW antennas to reduce skywave and keep the signal in a 75 mile radius. They really aren't worried about what goes past that point because they don't get money from advertisers more than 50 miles away. The broadcaster generally wants his signal to keep as much power in that circle as possible so the listeners in that area can hear the signal as well as possible. The engineering departments may look at all of this differently but the sales and owners want to keep the signal as loud as possible in that area. Whatever happens out of that area means nothing to the owner and sales guys. After all, the only reason to own a station is to make money. Public trust and service means nothing to them. Its 100% about money. If there aren't people advertising more than 50 to 75 miles away, they could not give a flying fig what happens past that point. When someone comes along and tells the owner that IBOC digital will do this, then the owner thinks its great. They like it. Personally, I don't think it will work as described to the owners. However, for us DXers we will probably be DXing in a very different way because of it. Crawford Broadcasting, one of the foremost leaders of C-QUAM broadcasting in America is changing its Chicago stations to digital in 2002. You can read it on the website. Some of us know Cris Alexander the corporate Director of Engineering and he will tell you IBOC is coming to Chicago first in 2002. Thats this year folks. I think the time is supposed to be in May and think about it. Crawfords stations are mostly C-QUAM if not all. I think that digital will have more problems than analog ever will due to the noise from the tens of millions if not hundreds of millions of intentional part 15 emitters, but hey, it has to be tested and I personally think its coming and we need to think about it. I do know that I love C-QUAM. I think it sounds magnificent. I have a ton of AM stereo receivers and I love them all dearly. I do think though that we should think about IBOC because whether we hate it or not, its coming and it will be way different. I suspect that it will be much like analog FM with its capture effect. If you are not on the fringe, you got it made. If not, you just got pushed off the wagon. You are insignificant to broadcasters. I think that IBOC is almost here and there is going to be a lot of twists and turns in this story before its completely told. It may be an abject failure. It may be successful too. I just know that its going to be a very interesting time and when we are all old men [ I am almost there ] we will tell the story to younger radio fans and DXers of how this all came to be when its over. I do love C-QUAM though and think that I will listen to it until the last station turns out the pilot light. You never know if digital implodes, we could have a resurgence of C-QUAM, but I sure wouldn't bet the farm on it. We are in a transitional time and as you know, transition brings pain but once its over often there is something better to take its place. This is what I am hoping for. No matter which way it goes, I would love to see all stations on MW be in stereo. The stereo transmission scheme isn't important to me, just that the signals come with clean, crisp, stereo. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From Bossmsx@aol.com Sun Mar 10 21:43:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 11 Mar 2002 05:43:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 21259 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2002 05:43:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2002 05:43:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2002 05:43:28 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.7e.24092cd9 (4322) for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 00:43:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7e.24092cd9.29bd9dfb@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 00:43:23 EST Subject: Re: IBOC on FM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP US sub 50 From: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <> Personally, I think they should've outlawed IBOC on FM...Just roll it out on AM and keep the FMs analog...That way AM and FM would be on par in terms of sound quality...Just like they did in the 50s/60s when they allowed FMs to go Stereo but not AMs.. Anyways, I'm another person that's looking forward to IBOC...Time will tell how successful it is...I hope some of you won't hate me for having said this... --tony s. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Mar 10 21:48:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 11 Mar 2002 05:48:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 84163 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2002 05:48:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2002 05:48:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.62) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2002 05:48:51 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.125] by n12.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2002 05:48:51 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 05:48:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WLAC still has pilot! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1600 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.19 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Hi. Every night I have been getting a pilot light on WLAC loud and > clear. Why is the light being tripped? There is no interference at > all so I doubt another station is causing the pilot. I also get a constant pilot on 1510 and I can tell you it is caused by the mixing of WLAC from Nashville and WNRB from Boston. These two stations have their carriers offset by just enough to mimic an AM Stereo pilot tone. You should also be heard a "fluttery" effect from this mix. Here in NJ, whenever WNRB comes in clearly all by itself, the "pilot" disappears, and I know that WLAC is mono as well. I was in Nashville in the summer of 1998 and WLAC was definitely mono then. I even visited their studios and asked about it and they said they're not Stereo. However their engineer did give me a little tour of their studios so I can't be totally negative about them. 1510 WNRB used to be in beautiful AM Stereo sound, and they even promoted it in their hourly ID, but sadly those days are over. They discontinued Stereo about a year after switching to a sports/talk format. At least we have 1520 WWKB back, but their current talk format doesn't make good use of their AM Stereo. Rumour has it Entercom wanted to switch WWKB to a locally produced Classic Rock format (!!!), and even loaded the music database into the station's computer system, but because of "budget cutbacks" the format switch got killed. However, WWKB has been doing absolutely pathetically in the Buffalo ratings -- at the bottom of the list with an 0.3 rating! -- so they might think twice about it. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Mar 10 21:58:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 11 Mar 2002 05:58:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 99742 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2002 05:58:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2002 05:58:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.83) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2002 05:58:00 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.150] by n33.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2002 05:58:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 05:57:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC is really coming..... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <009b01c1c8ba$16901c60$44f9bed8@kredding430cdt> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1623 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.19 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Some of us know Cris Alexander the corporate Director of Engineering > and he will tell you IBOC is coming to Chicago first in 2002. Thats > this year folks. I think the time is supposed to be in May and think > about it. Crawfords stations are mostly C-QUAM if not all. Some of the Crawford AM Stereo stations like 1540 WPTR are already promoting themselves as being in "Digital Stereo". However, this refers to the way the audio leading up to the transmitter is produced, not to the signal itself, which is plain old analog C-Quam AM Stereo. There are now even "Digitally Modulated" AM transmitters that put out a regular analog signal. This means the audio chain remains 100% all the way from station's studio, through a digital STL, all the way into the modulator stage of the transmitter where the digital-to-analog conversion finally takes place. Crawford may be wanting to try IBOC. That is their right. But I know them and they are not stupid. If IBOC doesn't turn out to work well for them, they surely won't continue to use it, and they'll go back to the fine performance of C-Quam analog AM Stereo. Right now the biggest drawback of IBOC is the 4.5 kHz frequency response limit for the analog audio. That is less than half of the current 10 kHz NRSC limit. Even people with regular narrow-bandwidth AM radios will be able to tell the difference. It may be acceptable for a news/talk station, but I don't think any self-respecting AM music station would sacrifice their audio quality that much in order to fool around with a digital system that nobody will be listening to anyway! From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Mar 10 22:00:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 11 Mar 2002 06:00:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 33724 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2002 06:00:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2002 06:00:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2002 06:00:43 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.149.ad7919f (4008) for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 01:00:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <149.ad7919f.29bda209@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 01:00:41 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Eureka 147 "not gonna happen" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih I thought the ITU didn't allow IBOC at all. It should NEVER be used on AM or longwave; analog is good enough for everyone. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://members.aol.com/n0uiheric/TurnOffClearChannel.html http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/turnoffclearchannel From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Mar 10 22:00:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 11 Mar 2002 06:00:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 33876 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2002 06:00:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2002 06:00:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2002 06:00:49 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.18c.49c354e (4008) for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 01:00:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <18c.49c354e.29bda20b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 01:00:43 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Eureka 147 "not gonna happen" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih American broadcasters have NO OTHER CHOICE but to accept Eureka 147, and the military has NO OTHER CHOICE but to abide by ITU regulations and move their activities out of the L-Band. They should also keep AM and FM ANALOG; none of this digital crap on AM and FM. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://members.aol.com/n0uiheric/TurnOffClearChannel.html http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/turnoffclearchannel From dav259@minerals.csiro.au Sun Mar 10 23:33:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@minerals.csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 11 Mar 2002 07:33:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 19582 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2002 07:33:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2002 07:33:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2002 07:33:00 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14319 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 18:32:58 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 18:32:58 +1100 (EST) To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC is really coming..... In-Reply-To: <009b01c1c8ba$16901c60$44f9bed8@kredding430cdt> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24627097 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Sun, 10 Mar 2002, kevin wrote: > We have to face facts. All the things you all say are true about IBOC. > > That said, you have to look at this from the eyes of the broadcaster to > understand what is going on. > > Broadcasters don't give a flying rat if their signal can be heard more than > about 50 to 75 miles from the station. Unfortunately true ... Why don't some of you start a campaign on the US google ng for limited US testing of Eureka? Surely the US Defence dept can release a little space - and if necessary move altogether. Otherwise it seems we're gonna end up with another almighty mess. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Mon Mar 11 02:19:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 11 Mar 2002 10:19:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 97385 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2002 10:19:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2002 10:19:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.77) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2002 10:19:00 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.88] by n27.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2002 10:19:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:19:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC is really coming..... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <009b01c1c8ba$16901c60$44f9bed8@kredding430cdt> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4177 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.239 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevin" wrote: > Guys, > > We have to face facts. All the things you all say are true about IBOC. > > That said, you have to look at this from the eyes of the broadcaster to > understand what is going on. > > Broadcasters don't give a flying rat if their signal can be heard more than > about 50 to 75 miles from the station. > > > When someone comes along and tells the owner that IBOC digital will do this, > then the owner thinks its great. They like it. > > I think that digital will have more problems than analog ever will due to > the noise from the tens of millions if not hundreds of millions of > intentional part 15 emitters, but hey, it has to be tested and I personally > think its coming and we need to think about it. > > Kevin > Mesa, Arizona It's pretty obvious that they are going ahead with IBOC so we need to complain to the FCC whenever IBOC causes interference problems with analog AM even when DXing. We need to make it as difficult as possible for them. Discourage people from buying IBOC radios and educate them on the problems IBOC poses to analog reception and that they will experience dropouts with IBOC. Looking at it from the broadcasters viewpoint I have to say that they are being sold a bill of goods. I reminds me of the situation that many IT companies are put in when a salesperson of this certain OS convinces the CEO that their product will do all these wonderful things and that it fixes all these problems that existed in the previous versions. The product is then passed to the sys admins and they are the ones who have to make it work. Well as usual the product is buggy as always for the "new" version and the admins have to deal with constant reboots and have to wait for the next service pack to fix the problems. I have feeling that there is a similar situation with IBOC. How much say does the broadcast engineer have in making the final decision of whether IBOC is economicly and/or technically feasable or not. This is a general problem with corporate America when a CEO does not listen to his staff of employees who are the ones who have to implement it. The usual outcome in these kinds of situations is a lot of money is spent with little to no return on profit. Stations don't need to invest in unproven technology like IBOC and those stations that have money problems think this is going to bail them out should have second thoughts as a move like this could throw them into a deeper whole if not bankrupt them. The AM broadcasters need to care about the fringe areas of their signal especially the 50KW Class A non directional ones. For these blowtorches the fringe areas do contain a fair precentage of the audience and they do drive into the city to purchaese goods so the advertisers do benefit. Whether they see this or not is another story. Take 820 WBAP for instance, their nighttime show caters to truckers and all you hear are commercials directed to truckers, who are traveling, they can pick it up 200mi away easily. Now this may be the exception to the rule but I think leaving out these fringe areas is a mistake. In order for IBOC to succeed the listeners have to purchase radios and if those radios fail to function adequately and do not sell then whats the purpose of transmitting IBOC. My city is one of the cities that is launching HDTV and the transmittion and reception issues haven't been worked out yet. I walk into a store and look at these sets and see the signal dropout that was occcuring on a regular basis and I can't see myself purchasing one yet. I think the sales are pretty flat also. Even though NTSC is antequated todays technology can make it look pretty good even on a good 32" set. Why would I want to buy an HDTV that costs 7x as much as my 32" and have to live with dropouts. Terrestrial broadcasting with overlapping channels does not lend itself to digital transmittion the way it does on satelite which has a directional receiving antenna pointed directly at the source. Like the success of DirecTV and The Dish I think that Sirius and XM will have a better chance of succeding for digital audio than IBOC. JSG From joen3wtv@yahoo.com Mon Mar 11 04:29:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: joen3wtv@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 11 Mar 2002 12:29:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 70471 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2002 12:29:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2002 12:29:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11703.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.69) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2002 12:29:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20020311122948.70190.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.155.45.18] by web11703.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 04:29:48 PST Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 04:29:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC on FM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <7e.24092cd9.29bd9dfb@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: joe elias X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=35888484 X-Yahoo-Profile: joen3wtv ive been reading the posts for awhile.i dont really care whether am station is stereo or goes digital.simply because of the lousy programming.its seems like everyone is jumping on the sports talk bandwagon.id sure love to see some of these stations return to a music format,and not just the garbage that you can hear on fm.roll out jazz or classic country .or big band or whatever.but i could really care less about a discussion of some quarterback in stereo...joe --- Bossmsx@aol.com wrote: > < they would roll it out on > MW first so it would make such a notable > difference.>> > > Personally, I think they should've outlawed IBOC on > FM...Just roll it out on > AM and keep the FMs analog...That way AM and FM > would be on par in terms of > sound quality...Just like they did in the 50s/60s > when they allowed FMs to go > Stereo but not AMs.. > Anyways, I'm another person that's looking forward > to IBOC...Time will tell > how successful it is...I hope some of you won't hate > me for having said > this... > > --tony s. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ===== +++ PRAY THE ROSARY EVERYDAY +++ +++ O MARY CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN PRAY FOR US WHO HAVE RECOURSE TO THEE+++ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From jsgil@hal-pc.org Mon Mar 11 05:28:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 11 Mar 2002 13:28:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 5771 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2002 13:28:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2002 13:28:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.65) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2002 13:28:48 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.131] by n15.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2002 10:32:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:33:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC is really coming..... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 643 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.239 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > > Right now the biggest drawback of IBOC is the 4.5 kHz frequency > response limit for the analog audio. That is less than half of the > current 10 kHz NRSC limit. This leaves not much more bandwidth than what is available on a phone line for IBOC. Some of the best digital compression today is with the realplayer and stereo over a phone line is not up to par with what I would consider to be a fair quality broadcast. To expect a 12KHz response with few artifacts with IBOC which is what is advertised doesn't seem feasable. Like I say it is a bill of goods. JSG From amfmdx@fastq.com Mon Mar 11 07:50:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 11 Mar 2002 15:50:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 25592 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2002 15:50:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2002 15:50:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2002 15:50:13 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt ([209.63.214.242]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g2BFoBn49412 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:50:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <003c01c1c913$9d0078e0$f2d63fd1@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC is really coming..... Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:44:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 > Unfortunately true ... Why don't some of you start a campaign on the US > google ng for limited US testing of Eureka? Surely the US Defence dept > can release a little space - and if necessary move altogether. Ian, I have petitioned my Congressman and Senator already. Consider that we in the US are at war now. The military is not going to give up any space on their L band for Eureka as long as we are at war. Perhaps we can ask again when we are not at war and the government and military will be more receptive then. > Otherwise it seems we're gonna end up with another almighty mess. Look for an almighty mess. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From philipr@irac.pe.ca Mon Mar 11 08:06:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 11 Mar 2002 16:06:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 45456 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2002 16:06:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2002 16:06:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.63) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2002 16:06:24 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.177] by n13.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2002 15:45:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 16:06:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: hello all Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 158 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking I look forward to this forum, as the list I previously belonged to entered some pretty rocky territory, resulting in a rather poor groundwave! Phil Rafuse From amfmdx@fastq.com Mon Mar 11 08:49:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 11 Mar 2002 16:49:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 65229 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2002 16:26:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2002 16:26:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2002 16:26:57 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt ([209.63.214.242]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g2BGQtn50495 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 09:26:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <004a01c1c918$b9c55540$f2d63fd1@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC is really coming..... Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 09:20:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 > It's pretty obvious that they are going ahead with IBOC so > we need to complain to the FCC whenever IBOC causes > interference problems with analog AM even when DXing. I can agree with this but consider that the FCC is not going to be as attentive as you may believe. They are not very attentive right now. My thought on this is that they will accept a lot of complaints as they understand that this is a transitionary period. The NAB and FCC and the megacorps all know that this is coming. I think with enough complaints, they will move the end of analog up sooner to end the cacophony of complaints. > Discourage people from buying IBOC radios and educate them > on the problems IBOC poses to analog reception and that they > will experience dropouts with IBOC. Come on, don't be silly. You and I and everyone else knows it will happen. Instead of digging in and not accepting the change thats coming we should be talking about C-QUAM and IBOC both during this time. We do want stereo on MW don't we? I don't care which it is, I just want stereo. I hope that I am not asking for too much. > Looking at it from the broadcasters viewpoint I have to say > that they are being sold a bill of goods. Well, to an extent they are. Remember, this is the first shot out of the gun on digital radio. There will be problems. In time IBOC will be mature and we will all feel differently. > I reminds me of > the situation that many IT companies are put in when a > salesperson of this certain OS convinces the CEO that their > product will do all these wonderful things and that it fixes > all these problems that existed in the previous versions. Let me give you an example... I have been using computers for a LONG time. I had Windows v. 1.11. It was just text in boxes surrounded by ASCII characters. It was pretty cheezy looking but it put DOS finally ahead of Concurrent CP/M 86 which could run 4 programs in 256k. There was no windows but when you hit an "F" key the screen would change in CCP/M 86. The Win 1.11 could have the programs on the same screen. The thing was shaky as hell and crashed A LOT. Today, we have versions of Windows that do almost everything. SOME versions are almost seamless. Computing has been made available to the public because of it. No more typing UNIX, C CP/M 86 or DOS commands that often confused users. Even though some versions of Windows absolutely SUCK, like WinME most versions are really good. Digital radio will suck in the beginning. IBOC will have significant errors to get over in the beginning. In time it will mature as C-QUAM did. Initially the first C-QUAM chips sucked. The platform motion was misery but the last and latest chips blend into mono when the pilot is lost and its seamless. IBOC will be like all the examples given. > How much say does > the broadcast engineer have in making the final decision of > whether IBOC is economicly and/or technically feasable or > not. This all depends on the station owner and the engineer. It also may depend on stockholders in the case of large corporations. I would suspect the engineers have significant input but definitely not total input. > This is a general problem with corporate America when a > CEO does not listen to his staff of employees who are the > ones who have to implement it. The usual outcome in these > kinds of situations is a lot of money is spent with little > to no return on profit. Its a fact, the CEO often doesn't want or he doesn't get input from the foot soldiers. Often this causes many issues that impede success. > Stations don't need to invest in > unproven technology like IBOC Unproven or not, its coming. The investment has already been made in the case of many stations. The digital equipment is ALREADY installed. Its there. Its there in place NOW. This is why WSM made their change. IBOC is rolling out in 6 markets this summer. Its happening NOW. In fact its already planned, paid for and its rolling out the doors right NOW. > and those stations that have > money problems think this is going to bail them out should > have second thoughts as a move like this could throw them > into a deeper whole if not bankrupt them. Stations with money problems... If they had decent and something other than McRadio they would not have those money problems. You are dead spot on in this analysis. IBOC will not change them and turn them into economic powerhouses. The only thing that can do that is to provide good and acceptable programming. This does not mean you open another sports station or another station carrying Art Bell, this means local coverage and local music and those kinds of things. > The AM broadcasters need to care about the fringe areas of > their signal especially the 50KW Class A non directional > ones. I wish you were right but this is why you aren't. The 50kW AMers know that the need for rural coverage is gone. There are FM stations on every street corner in the nation, or so it seems. They know that they don't have to provide that service anymore. They know that most of the time that Joe Farmer in Weezerhead, Idaho growing potatoes, is listening to Tim McGraw play C&W on FM. They know that they won't get advertising dollars from Weezerhead and that the FMer will so they couldn't careless about Joe harvesting his potatoes. > Whether they see this or not is another story. Take 820 WBAP > for instance, their nighttime show caters to truckers and > all you hear are commercials directed to truckers, who are > traveling, they can pick it up 200mi away easily. WBAP, they are a great station. I sure love them and grew up with them as a kid in Texas. I still believe that they are one of the greats because they transmit in C-QUAM. I get a nice signal from them most of the time I would LOVE to see the clear channels be clear again. Those stations should be concerned with distant listeners, but only if they actually have a clear channel. > In order for IBOC to succeed the listeners have to purchase > radios and if those radios fail to function adequately and > do not sell then whats the purpose of transmitting IBOC. This is the fact. The people will have to buy the radios or it will die soon but you can expect that the FCC will mandate that all new radios will have to be able to receive IBOC digital transmissions. I would be surprised if this was not already mandated. > My city is one of the cities that is launching HDTV and the > transmittion and reception issues haven't been worked out > yet. I walk into a store and look at these sets and see the > signal dropout that was occcuring on a regular basis and I > can't see myself purchasing one yet. I have DTV here in the Phoenix market. I do not own a DTV but the pictures are nice. Probably when the price drops low enough, I will buy one. Here, there is no problem with dropouts but I am positive that it happens in fringe areas. > I think the sales are > pretty flat also. Even though NTSC is antequated todays > technology can make it look pretty good even on a good 32" > set. I have a 27" Sony Wega TV. Its analog and the pic is awesome. Still, its not as good as DTV. I will most likely buy one when the price becomes right. > Like the success of DirecTV and The Dish I think > that Sirius and XM will have a better chance of succeding > for digital audio than IBOC. I am just the opposite. I think that Sirius and XM will fail before IBOC. IBOC will be tenuous at best for success. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From juan@wgylfm.com Mon Mar 11 10:29:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: juan@wgylfm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 11 Mar 2002 18:29:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 89170 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2002 18:29:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2002 18:29:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns1.planetcomputer.net) (65.115.157.20) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2002 18:29:27 -0000 Received: from bellsouth (unverified [66.156.225.128]) by ns1.planetcomputer.net (Vircom SMTPRS 4.7.192) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:25:04 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01c1c929$f8e23160$0100000a@net.bellsouth.net> To: Subject: Broadcast Station Location Page Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:24:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Juan" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95421407 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anybody know what happened to the Broadcast Station location page's AM Patterns ? You use to be able to see the various patterns on a map when you clicked on the station. Is there any other source to get AM Antenna patterns ? Juan juan@wgylfm.com gualdaj@bellsouth.net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From joen3wtv@yahoo.com Mon Mar 11 10:50:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: joen3wtv@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 11 Mar 2002 18:50:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 57567 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2002 18:44:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2002 18:44:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11701.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.67) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2002 18:44:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20020311184438.58026.qmail@web11701.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.155.45.122] by web11701.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:44:38 PST Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:44:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} hello all To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: joe elias X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=35888484 X-Yahoo-Profile: joen3wtv welcome aboard phil............................joe --- tubesareking wrote: > I look forward to this forum, as the list I > previously belonged to > entered some pretty rocky territory, resulting in a > rather poor > groundwave! > > Phil Rafuse > > ===== +++ PRAY THE ROSARY EVERYDAY +++ +++ O MARY CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN PRAY FOR US WHO HAVE RECOURSE TO THEE+++ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From philipr@irac.pe.ca Mon Mar 11 10:58:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 11 Mar 2002 18:58:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 41655 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2002 17:50:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2002 17:50:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.65) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2002 17:50:07 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.24] by n15.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2002 15:12:56 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 15:13:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Hello everyone! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1082 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking I thought I'd join this forum, as the previous AM stereo group I was on seems to be on the rocks. Hopefully, we can advance the cause of AM stereo, help each other out and have some fun all at the same time, without anyone's nose getting too out of joint and declaring "It's my bat and ball, and I'm going home". A bit about myself - I'm a long time AM stereo fan, who has heard it only once - off an off-air monitor at an AM Stereo station. I'm eagerly awaiting an AM stereo decoder board from fellow member Chris Cuff. Hopefully, I'll find it in the mail soon, install it and listen to the only semi-local AM stereo station before it switches to exclusive FM. I also enjoy legal flea power FM microbroadcasting - but as we all know, AM has its advantages. I am quite used to wide-band AM mono - enjoying great sound on a classic Heath AJ-11 tuner. I have a SR III in my office so I can listen to 720 CHTN in wide-band. Of course, CHTN is in mono. I expect and welcome a diversity of interests, with AM Stereo as a ommon denominator! Cheers from PEI Canada! From narkspud@hotmail.com Mon Mar 11 11:32:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 11 Mar 2002 19:32:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 29097 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2002 19:29:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2002 19:29:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.13) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2002 19:29:20 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:29:20 -0800 Received: from 67.89.146.146 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:29:20 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Broadcast Station Location Page Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:29:20 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Mar 2002 19:29:20.0840 (UTC) FILETIME=[0B03D480:01C1C933] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.89.146.146] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud Try http://www.radio-locator.com narkspud >From: "Juan" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: {AMSF} Broadcast Station Location Page >Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:24:00 -0500 > >Does anybody know what happened to the Broadcast Station location page's AM >Patterns ? You use to be able to see the various patterns on a map when you >clicked on the station. Is there any other source to get AM Antenna >patterns ? > > >Juan >juan@wgylfm.com >gualdaj@bellsouth.net > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Mar 11 13:45:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 11 Mar 2002 21:45:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 7007 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2002 21:32:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2002 21:32:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2002 21:32:51 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.87]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 16:27:28 -0500 Message-ID: <002001c1c943$88499500$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hello everyone! Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 16:27:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Welcome, Phil- Your decoder was sent last week- be sure to ask if you need any assistance integrating it into your circuit. Yes, the other list is fried now, but most, if not about all, were on this list as well, so I think having one main list will help us further our goals. When Alex started the first website in 1998, Kevin T and I were the first ones aboard- it had 4 pages then, and now, it has grown very large. I am hoping we can add and update it on a regular basis now. I have not heard from Alex in nearly 6 months, but hope he is well. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: tubesareking To: Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 10:13 AM Subject: {AMSF} Hello everyone! > I thought I'd join this forum, as the previous AM stereo group I was > on seems to be on the rocks. From KC4QLP@aol.com Mon Mar 11 14:06:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 11 Mar 2002 22:06:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 39319 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2002 21:21:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2002 21:21:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2002 21:21:59 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.d2.14f35507 (4332) for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 16:21:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 16:21:50 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} hello all To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 3/11/02 11:07:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, philipr@irac.pe.ca writes: << I look forward to this forum, as the list I previously belonged to entered some pretty rocky territory, resulting in a rather poor groundwave! Phil Rafuse >> Welcome Phil...where you will find the reception here to be pretty much static free..Welcome to the AM Stereo "static free" zone! Hey..kinda catchy huh? Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 877 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.136.222.127 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 Since Wednesday when my Sony Tuner arrived I have been able to confirm that the following are no longer: ON Hamilton 1050 CKOC ON Kitchener 1090 CKKW ON London 980 CFPL ON London 1410 CKSL ON Toronto 1050 CHUM I have not seen the stereo light on the following as well, but the signal is never that great so they still might (but I doubt it) be broadcasting: ON Oshawa 1350 CKDO ON Toronto 1430 CKHT ON Toronto 1540 CHIN I'd assume these following stations are now mono due to format changes by Chum and Corus: BC Vancouver 1040 CKST BC Vancouver 1410 CFUN BC Vancouver 1470 CJVB BC Victoria 900 CKMO BC Victoria 1070 CFAX MB Winnipeg 1290 CFST NS Halifax 920 CJCH ON Kingston 1380 CKLC QC Montreal 990 CKGM 750-CJVR Melfort, SK moved to FM. But there is a station in 750 using the calls CK??. I'll check Industry Canada for the real calls. Anyways, MattH From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Mon Mar 11 15:26:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 11 Mar 2002 23:26:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 8927 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2002 23:26:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2002 23:26:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.66) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2002 23:26:29 -0000 Received: from [216.115.97.83] by n16.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2002 23:26:07 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 23:26:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: CKOC Explanation Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1176 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.136.222.127 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 Hi Matt...many moons ago CKOC was one of the first Canadian stations to begin broadcasting in AM stereo. As you know ...primarily because the FCC in the USA refused to support C-QUAM as the standard for AM stereo ... the project died. Less than 1% of radio users have access to AM stereo today. A year ago ... with a new digital transmitter installed ...CKOC joined many AM stations who returned to AM MONAURAL broadcasting. Why?? Because when broadcasting monaurally stations can drive their transmitter more and enjoy an increased coverage area. For 99% of our listeners the signal is stronger...and many who could not hear us ...now can. This became an even more important factor when CHUM and OLDIES 1090 went SPORTS and CKOC had to serve a vast audience abandoned by those stations. Hope this answers your question. OLDIES FOREVER!!!! Nevin P.S.: The vast majority of the oldies we play were issued monaurally in the first instance. Nevin Grant Program Director, Oldies 1150/820 CHAM 401-883 Upper Wentworth Street, Hamilton, ON L9A 4Y6 phone: 905-574-1150 e-mail: ngrant@oldies1150.com websites: http://www.oldies1150.com http://www.820cham.com From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Mar 11 15:40:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 11 Mar 2002 23:40:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 47670 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2002 23:40:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2002 23:40:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.215) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2002 23:40:02 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 15:40:01 -0800 Received: from 209.240.222.130 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 23:40:01 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@nrcdxas.org Bcc: Subject: Clear Channel Causes Static...... Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 23:40:01 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Mar 2002 23:40:01.0810 (UTC) FILETIME=[1021B720:01C1C956] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.222.130] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Hello all, Here are two articles from the Sunday's business section of the Austin (Texas) Statesman. As there were written by someone from the Los Angeles Times, I would think these articles were in other newspapers as well. donn, st petersburg, (not a clearchannel free zone) here are the url's: http://www.austin360.com/auto_docs/epaper/editions/sunday/business_2.html and the second article, titled "Petitions Accuse ClearChannel of Violating Federal Regulations" http://www.austin360.com/auto_docs/epaper/editions/sunday/business_3.html In the first article, note how much money Clearchannel contributed to various political campaigns. With all the money contributed toward politicians and the several hundred they spend on attorney fees earlier this year in defending "Bubba the Love Sponge:, it's now wonder ClearChannel doesn't have much money left for stereo generators or quality programming. donn ~~~~~~~ thanks to S Pfeil for bringing these articles to my attention. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Mar 11 15:40:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 11 Mar 2002 23:40:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 48261 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2002 23:40:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2002 23:40:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.66) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2002 23:40:31 -0000 Received: from [216.115.97.83] by n16.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2002 23:40:09 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 23:40:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: MORE Canadian casualties! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 652 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.13 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I'd assume these following stations are now mono due to format > changes by Chum and Corus: > > NS Halifax 920 CJCH > ON Kingston 1380 CKLC > QC Montreal 990 CKGM When I visited Canada in August 2001, both 920 CJCH and 990 CKGM were still putting out Stereo signals with the Sports talk format, and I did hear true Stereo separation from them during the local programming elements (commercials, IDs, etc.). The year before, while in upstate New York, I DXed 1380 CKLC in full AM Stereo, back during their Adult Contemporary music format. I would hope like CJCH and CKGM they are still in Stereo with "the Team" sports format. From narkspud@hotmail.com Mon Mar 11 15:49:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 11 Mar 2002 23:49:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 77492 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2002 23:49:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2002 23:49:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.175) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2002 23:49:33 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 15:49:32 -0800 Received: from 67.89.146.146 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 23:49:32 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} CKOC Explanation Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 15:49:32 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Mar 2002 23:49:32.0917 (UTC) FILETIME=[6489BA50:01C1C957] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.89.146.146] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud Ummmm . . . . so your ratings have increased since going mono? And your station doesn't play any oldies released after 1957? Just wondering. narkspud >coverage area. For 99% of our listeners the signal is stronger...and >many >who could not hear us ...now can. This became an even more important >factor >when CHUM and OLDIES 1090 went SPORTS and CKOC had to serve a vast >audience >abandoned by those stations. Hope this answers your question. > >OLDIES FOREVER!!!! > >Nevin > >P.S.: The vast majority of the oldies we play were issued monaurally >in the >first instance. > >Nevin Grant >Program Director, Oldies 1150/820 CHAM >401-883 Upper Wentworth Street, >Hamilton, ON L9A 4Y6 >phone: 905-574-1150 >e-mail: ngrant@oldies1150.com >websites: >http://www.oldies1150.com >http://www.820cham.com > > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Mar 11 15:52:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 11 Mar 2002 23:52:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 80864 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2002 23:52:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2002 23:52:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.56) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2002 23:52:27 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.140] by n6.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2002 23:52:27 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 23:52:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: CKOC Explanation Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1314 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.13 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Because when broadcasting monaurally stations can drive their > transmitter more and enjoy an increased coverage area. That is a classic myth propagated by station engineers looking for an excuse to justify turning off AM Stereo. It is totally false because AM Stereo can be transmitted using the same +125% and -100% modulation that monaural AM stations are allowed to use. It is true that any modulation above 100% (mono or Stereo) does cause some distortion but in most cases it is not objectionable to the listener. > For 99% of our listeners the signal is stronger...and > many who could not hear us ...now can. Most likely because of the installation of the new transmitter, not because of reverting to mono! New transmitters are always more efficient and are generally only installed when the old transmitter is no longer performing to its power output specification. So of course, if you switch from an old transmitter to a new transmitter, your signal is going to be stronger... but that has absolutely nothing to do if the station broadcasts in Stereo or not! This is like buying a new sports car, and saying "Gee, this new car is so much faster than my old one.... it must be because this car is red, and my old one was blue! I should have known that all blue cars are slow!!" From raydtuner@yahoo.com Mon Mar 11 16:04:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: raydtuner@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 12 Mar 2002 00:04:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 57700 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2002 00:03:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2002 00:03:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.75) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2002 00:03:45 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.128] by n25.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2002 00:01:01 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 00:03:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WLAC still has pilot! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1392 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "raydtuner" X-Originating-IP: 63.183.46.218 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92072182 X-Yahoo-Profile: raydtuner --- In amstereoforum@y..., "matt_haw2000" wrote: > Hi. Every night I have been getting a pilot light on WLAC loud and > clear. Why is the light being tripped? There is no interference at > all so I doubt another station is causing the pilot. I have a mult- > system so are they perhaps using the PowerSide? Also WGY Schenectady > is the same. Loud and clear, with the pilot. There are no seperation > on both but the pilot does come in cleanly everynight for the past > week. > > Tonight has been an excellent dxing night! I've been picking up > stations from as far away as Charlotte NC, Des Moines, IA, Boston MA > and Sudbury ON. I'm located in London. Also tonight was the first > time getting WFAN in stereo! I've been trying for a while and I never > got a pilot even when the signal was strong. > > Will I still be able to receive WFAN, WGN, WJR, WLS, WPHT in Barrie > ON. It's a 100 kms north of Toronto? I ask because I'm moving there > in April and I would still like to get all the AMS stations. I know > i'll be able to pull in CIGM Sudbury cleanly at night. > > Matt REPLY: When the solar index is high, the am waves are bent to the north, so high solar activity will help you to keep getting your desired stations. (report at 5,10, and 15,000 khz. shortwave at :18 every hour.)RAY>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Mar 11 16:05:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 12 Mar 2002 00:05:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 17930 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2002 00:05:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2002 00:05:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.195) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2002 00:05:51 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 16:05:50 -0800 Received: from 209.240.222.130 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 00:05:50 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@nrcdxas.org Cc: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Bcc: Subject: CKOC's Nevin Grant on A.M. Stereo Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 00:05:50 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Mar 2002 00:05:50.0942 (UTC) FILETIME=[AB7C7FE0:01C1C959] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.222.130] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Thanks Matt for Nevin Grant's opinions, my opinions are below his. donn st petersburg ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Nevin Grant offered the following opinion: Less than 1% (I would like to see these statistics) of radio users have access to AM stereo today. A year ago ... with a new digital transmitter installed ...CKOC joined many AM stations who returned to AM MONAURAL broadcasting.  Why??  Because when broadcasting monaurally stations can drive their transmitter more and enjoy an increased coverage area.  For 99% of our listeners the signal is stronger...and many who could not hear us ...now can.  This became.............AD NUASEM.... ..quick, get me the air sickness bag! At least some broadcasters are honest and say that stereo is too much of a bother, too expensive etc, but Nevin Grants states that only 1 per cent of people have access to a.m. stereo is definitely wrong, Maybe only 1 per cent KNOW that they have access to A.M. stereo, but with all the cars in the Canada and the U.S. equipped with A.M. stereo I suspect the actual percentage would be closer to 20 percent; although I have heard 25 - 28 percent quoted. Now of course, if CKOC is not a typical Canadian station, but is an a remote Artic outpost, where the main mode of transportation is dog sleds, then I stand corrected; in that scenario, he might be correct. donn, st petersburg, florida (Canada's southern-most province) _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From KC4QLP@aol.com Mon Mar 11 16:21:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 12 Mar 2002 00:21:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 8354 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2002 00:21:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2002 00:21:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.5) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2002 00:21:08 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.8b.15089d41 (4332) for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:20:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8b.15089d41.29bea3e8@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:20:56 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} CKOC Explanation To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 3/11/02 6:31:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, matt_haw2000@yahoo.com writes: << AM stations who returned to AM MONAURAL broadcasting. Why?? Because when broadcasting monaurally stations can drive their transmitter more and enjoy an increased coverage area. For 99% of our listeners the signal is stronger...and many who could not hear us ...now can. This became an even more important factor >> I have done test here at WGAI ...stereo vs mono ...and modulation levels. I could NOT see any difference as far as signal strength goes between the two modes with a modulation level of 125% on both stereo and mono. I've made the measurements using a field strength meter and also have done the listen with the ear ...still no difference. Audio quality in the regards of distortion was not a large factor either as there was basically no change from stereo to mono. If distortion is a factor at higher modulation levels...try tweaking your processing to minimize that....certain audio frequencies will cause more distortion than others...also be sure that the transmitter is well tuned and operating into an antenna system that will handle what your trying to do. I get responses that we sound better than FM stations around and that the other AM stations sound like a box of rocks being modulated with wiring equal to patch cords in a 1930's phone switch board.....or at least something lacking decent wideband audio quality. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! 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Also I see that CKOC is in Hamilton, not some remote Artic outpost, so Nevin's Grant's stats of only 1 percent of the population having access to a.m. stereo is also a myth. Hamilton, is just west of St Catherine's and Niagara Falls, and is a large city with many autos with a.m. stereo. At least last time I went through Hamilton, Ontario, there was a lot of traffic and I doubt all the people with G.M. and Chrysler products have yanked the a.m. stereos out of their cars. This Nevil guy isn't an immigrant from south of the border, is he? Sounds as though he might have worked for the Enron of the radio industry. donn, st petersburg _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Mar 11 16:45:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 12 Mar 2002 00:45:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 39085 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2002 00:45:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2002 00:45:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14202.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.144) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2002 00:45:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20020312004543.37255.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.162.18.173] by web14202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 16:45:43 PST Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 16:45:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: Checking -In / Clear Channel To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hi Gang: Checking-in with 'yaall' after wafting thru 35 messages about the demise of the other list. It's truly amazing that Clear Channel can lose $4 million dollars a day and still be in business. Enron looks like choirboys compared to Clear Channel's deception with values and voice-tracking. They recently voice-tracked the CC Classic Rock here, and one of their smart DJ's left and went to the Cumulus station where they still have 'real people'. I almost hate voice-tracking as much as mono. KEVIN R: please go to the next message to avoid high blood pressure, becuase you won't believe what I'm going to say: I will have to say just one thing nice about ONE local Clear Channel AM station - they do actually have one 'old-time radio' station still on the air, but unfortunately the engineer doesn't think that AM stereo will work on their graveyard channel frequency (so why don't they swap with their news/talk?). Anyhow, they actually have 3 REAL disc jockeys, each with their own 3-hour show, with actual time announcements and taking requests over the phone! 2 of the DJ's were from the 70's when AM was still 'boss' here in town. The only bad deal is that they have to sell their own advertising time, or they get fired. Now if they just used this as a template for their other AM stations, and then turned AM Stereo on, I would actually be happy with the Clear Channel folks. OK Kevin, it's safe now... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Mar 11 16:48:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 12 Mar 2002 00:48:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 3332 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2002 00:48:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2002 00:48:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO boron.vcn.com) (209.193.72.5) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2002 00:48:29 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.21]) by boron.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:48:28 -0700 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} CKOC Explanation Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:48:31 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <8b.15089d41.29bea3e8@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Same goes here in Wyoming. I have worked for and done engineering for KMER since 1991. I guarantee you I KNOW KMER's coverage, sound quality, and everything there is to know about that station. Since I put in the stereo exciter last month I PROMISE YOU there is NO coverage or audio degredation WHATSOEVER. And folks, this is WYOMING! Sparse as sparse can be! Here in Wyo, you DO have important listeners in the "fringe" of the coverage area because it is all they can get. Umm....excuse me, but I have gotten NOT ONE call from ANYBODY saying that they can't pick us up anymore since we went stereo last month. The audio sounds as good as the Orban 9100a will let it. Just as good as before, but only better since it is >>>STEREO<<< . And I really don't know a whole lot of transmitter engineering knowledge...I do not own or even know HOW to use an oscilloscope. Let's see...install the exciter...hook up the audio cables...hook up the output to the crystal socket. Yeah, THAT'S a LOT of maintenance nightmares! NOT! It works. It sits there and works. No tuning required...no adjustments. It sounds GREAT. Where's the problem? Where's the rumors? Those in mono still hear what they've always heard before. Those who happen to have stereo can now hear it in stereo. As I've said til I'm blue (turning RED) in the face...what does it hurt to leave the darn pilot ON if you've already got the equipment to do so????? It is such a load of crap fella's...sorry. It IS. I knew better a long time ago. I listened to the Salt Lake City AM stations from here in Evanston...about 80 miles away with the majestic rocky mountains in between. I promise you, listening to Salt Lake AM's here in Evanston IS fringe-listening. And one by one as the stereo dropped off of the stereo AM's in Salt Lake, NOBODY'S signal got better. They got worse because they're CRAPTACULAR mono now. Ahem..... Sorry....was it my turn to talk? Michael n Wyoming << AM stations who returned to AM MONAURAL broadcasting. Why?? Because when broadcasting monaurally stations can drive their transmitter more and enjoy an increased coverage area. For 99% of our listeners the signal is stronger...and many who could not hear us ...now can. This became an even more important factor >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Mar 11 17:19:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 12 Mar 2002 01:19:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 79570 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2002 01:19:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2002 01:19:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.66) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2002 01:19:39 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.169] by n16.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2002 01:18:01 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 01:18:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: CKOC's Lame Explanation Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1009 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.13 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics One thought about the amount of AM Stereo radios in Canada.... I have noticed that Canadians tend to be even more loyal to domestic car than Americans themselves are. In fact, many "domestic" cars by all of the Big Three are actually manufactured in Canada. Given this, along with the domestic carmakers' continued use of AM Stereo radios in their vehicles, chances are the average Canadian listeners would actually have a better chance of having access to an AM Stereo radio, than an American listener. For what it's worth, I have heard that the whole reason 1340 WSTA in the U.S. Virgin Islands broadcasts in AM Stereo is because most of the taxicab drivers on the island drive '80s and '90s GM, Ford, and Chrysler cars with AM Stereo radios in their dashboards. And for the Radio Disney stations that broadcast in AM Stereo.... think of the two most popular "soccer mom" vehicles: the Dodge Caravan and the Ford Explorer. Both of which are very commonly equipped with AM Stereo radios!! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Mar 11 17:23:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 12 Mar 2002 01:23:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 43940 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2002 01:22:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2002 01:22:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.64) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2002 01:22:44 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.158] by n14.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2002 01:24:51 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 01:22:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Checking -In / Clear Channel Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020312004543.37255.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 826 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.13 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I will have to say just one thing nice about ONE local Clear Channel > AM station It must be emphasised that not ALL Clear-Channel owned stations are necessarily bad. For example, take KABL 960 AM Stereo in the San Francisco, CA area. They are one of the finest Adult Standards/Big Band/Nostalgia stations in the entire country. And having personally listened to them, they are also one of the best sounding AM Stereo stations I have ever heard. Their audio has an incredible amount of "precision" and "definition" to it, which I think can be attributed to a larger than normal amount of high frequency Stereo separation. And yet, KABL is owned by Clear Channel. I have actually talked with their engineer and he claims that C.C. has not made any attempt to persuade him to turn off the AM Stereo at KABL. From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Mar 11 17:23:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 12 Mar 2002 01:23:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 99019 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2002 01:22:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2002 01:22:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2002 01:22:55 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-144.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.144]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2C1N0bd009121 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:23:01 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000f01c1c964$a8fc3ca0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020310222104.76118.qmail@web11702.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Yahoo!! Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:24:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude The problem was with the other group's server, not Yahoo. I'm well aware of the problems the latter has. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: joe elias > i can tell you from personal experience.theres other > yahoo groups i subscribe to that have had problems. From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Mar 11 17:49:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 12 Mar 2002 01:49:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 41588 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2002 01:45:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2002 01:45:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2002 01:45:37 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-144.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.144]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2C1jgbd013357 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:45:43 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <004d01c1c967$d4a0b180$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <009b01c1c8ba$16901c60$44f9bed8@kredding430cdt> Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC is really coming..... Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:46:59 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Sorry about the blank reply- the mouse has been a bit jerky lately. Gotta clean the ball and the mousepad. Anyhoo, Crawford's Chicago stations are all FM, so it remains to be seen what happens with their AMs elsewhere. ST ----- Original Message ----- > Some of us know Cris Alexander the corporate Director of Engineering and he > will tell you IBOC is coming to Chicago first in 2002. Thats this year > folks. I think the time is supposed to be in May and think about it. > Crawfords stations are mostly C-QUAM if not all. From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Mar 11 17:49:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 12 Mar 2002 01:49:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 18625 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2002 01:49:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2002 01:49:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2002 01:49:46 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-144.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.144]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2C1npbd014091 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:49:52 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <005b01c1c968$690806c0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <18c.49c354e.29bda20b@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Eureka 147 "not gonna happen" Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:51:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude The heck they don't, like it or not. The US is too big of a consumer market for them not to make this unfortunate exception. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: > American broadcasters have NO OTHER CHOICE but to accept Eureka 147, and the > military has NO OTHER CHOICE but to abide by ITU regulations and move their > activities out of the L-Band. They should also keep AM and FM ANALOG; none of > this digital crap on AM and FM. From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Mar 11 17:56:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 12 Mar 2002 01:56:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 17510 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2002 01:56:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2002 01:56:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2002 01:56:47 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-144.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.144]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2C1umbd015715 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:56:49 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <006501c1c969$61c60140$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC is really coming..... Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:58:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude This brings up an interesting scenario. Andy Laird had a debate going with some of us from the other list about why most of the Journal Broadcasting stations (such as KOMJ [exWOW]) were mono while others were allowed to keep stereo. His whole point was that a stereo signal was too fragile to be listenable in the fringe areas, and apparently KOMJ has a lot of fringe area listeners. I wonder if they'll forego IBOC for the same reason? ST ----- Original Message ----- From: jsgilst > The AM broadcasters need to care about the fringe areas of > their signal especially the 50KW Class A non directional > ones. From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Mar 11 18:08:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 12 Mar 2002 02:08:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 19477 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2002 02:08:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2002 02:08:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2002 02:08:26 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-144.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.144]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2C28Ibd017757 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:08:19 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <008d01c1c96b$048fc860$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <002001c1c943$88499500$0101a8c0@pavilion> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hello everyone! Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:09:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude News of the other list's demise is greatly exagerated, though it's certainly not as active as it used to be. FWIW, DF posted the list of those remaining, and there weren't that many defections. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher Cuff > Yes, the other list is fried now, but most, if not about all, were on this > list as well, so I think having one main list will help us further our > goals. From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Mar 11 18:10:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 12 Mar 2002 02:10:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 44624 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2002 02:10:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2002 02:10:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2002 02:10:54 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-144.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.144]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2C2Awbd018302 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:11:00 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <009401c1c96b$5cb16da0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} MORE Canadian casualties! Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:12:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude As always, get me some contact info, and I'll give them a jingle and try to pry loose the AMS gear if it's still to be had. Sooner or later some station is going to say "you can have it for the price of shipping." ST ----- Original Message ----- From: matt_haw2000 Subject: {AMSF} MORE Canadian casualties! From Bossmsx@aol.com Mon Mar 11 18:19:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 12 Mar 2002 02:19:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 85132 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2002 02:18:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2002 02:18:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r02.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.98) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2002 02:18:40 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.72.18fefc76 (15863) for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:18:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from web30.aolmail.aol.com (web30.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.6]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v83.35) with ESMTP id MAILINID62-0311211836; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:18:36 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:18:35 EST Subject: Re: IBOC is really coming..... To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <72.18fefc76.29bebf7c@aol.com> From: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx Scott Todd said: <> Here's where it gets weird: I read on Radio World that Andy Laird was actually on a committee or something for IBOC, and that one of his jobs was to help with the implementation and researching of IBOC...Somebody should really ask him "if you felt this way about AMS, why is your viewpoint on IBOC so different?" Tony S/Miami From KC4QLP@aol.com Mon Mar 11 18:24:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 12 Mar 2002 02:24:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 41516 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2002 02:24:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2002 02:24:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2002 02:24:34 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.150.a485455 (4332) for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:24:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <150.a485455.29bec0dc@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:24:28 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hello everyone! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 3/11/02 9:10:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, stodd@sherbtel.net writes: << News of the other list's demise is greatly exagerated, though it's certainly not as active as it used to be. FWIW, DF posted the list of those remaining, and there weren't that many defections. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher Cuff > Yes, the other list is fried now, but most, if not about all, were on this > list as well, so I think having one main list will help us further our > goals. >> It just as well be fried given the negativity that goes on over there ...almost like the days of Bryans old am stereo list. Quite frankly we all could do without that mess...move on...stay with a group of cool headed folks that are going to talk sense to one another and get alot more done. Granted there was some miles stones made "over there"..but more mile stones could have been made without the enroding,hot tempers, and negativity. Here is where I'm posting from now on unless someone is willing to dump a million bucks in my lap so I can pay my bills... I cant risk being made to look like a fool and unprofessional. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Mar 11 18:42:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 12 Mar 2002 02:42:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 87032 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2002 02:42:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2002 02:42:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2002 02:42:29 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-144.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.144]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2C2gYbd023911 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:42:35 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00cf01c1c96f$c6b6b4e0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} CKOC Explanation Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:44:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Two EXCELLENT responses. Has anyone forwarded these to CHAM? They need to be, along with KT's explanation that the new transmitter is what takes the credit, not going mono! ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael J. Richard > Same goes here in Wyoming. I have worked for and done engineering for KMER > since 1991. I guarantee you I KNOW KMER's coverage, sound quality, and > everything there is to know about that station. Since I put in the stereo > exciter last month I PROMISE YOU there is NO coverage or audio degredation > WHATSOEVER. ----- Original Message ----- From: > I have done test here at WGAI ...stereo vs mono ...and modulation levels. I > could NOT see any difference as far as signal strength goes between the two > modes with a modulation level of 125% on both stereo and mono. I've made the > measurements using a field strength meter and also have done the listen with > the ear ...still no difference. From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Mar 11 18:45:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 12 Mar 2002 02:45:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 94765 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2002 02:45:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2002 02:45:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2002 02:45:38 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-144.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.144]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2C2jgbd024619 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:45:44 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00d901c1c970$37130cc0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Checking -In / Clear Channel Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:47:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Most likely he's got newer equipment and they didn't feel it needed replacing. OTOH, KFYR had equipment that was about 15 years old and showing its age, all that was replaced but they only shelled out for a mono STL. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics I have actually talked with their engineer > and he claims that C.C. has not made any attempt to persuade him to > turn off the AM Stereo at KABL. From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Mon Mar 11 19:03:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 12 Mar 2002 03:03:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 50921 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2002 03:03:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2002 03:03:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.55) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2002 03:03:11 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.124] by n5.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2002 03:02:16 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 03:02:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} CKOC Explanation / Contacts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 341 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.171.26.194 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 For 99% of our listeners the signal is stronger...and > many > who could not hear us ...now can. This became an even more important > factor >> This is totally B.S. The only reason why the listeners say its 99% better is because NOBODY ever listened to their station before 1050 CHUM and Oldies 1090 switched to Sports!!! MattH From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Mar 11 20:53:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 12 Mar 2002 04:53:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 51409 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2002 04:53:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2002 04:53:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.77) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2002 04:53:27 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.23] by n27.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2002 04:53:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 04:53:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Advantage Update Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 483 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.13 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I have just completed an update of The AM Stereo Advantage web site. It is mostly a cosmetic freshening, but I have also added a new History section with a concise history of AM Stereo from the 1950s through today, and also the station listings have been frequently updated. As always, The AM Stereo Advantage can be found at: http://www.geocities.com/amstereoexp/ I am still working on the Technology section so it is not up yet. Let me know what you think of it so far! From rjskadl@yahoo.com Mon Mar 11 21:39:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 12 Mar 2002 05:39:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 95342 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2002 05:39:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2002 05:39:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.83) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2002 05:39:48 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.39] by n33.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2002 05:39:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 05:39:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Advantage Update Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2237 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > I have just completed an update of The AM Stereo Advantage web site...the station listings have been frequently updated...Let me know what you think of it so far!<< The site looks nice. I do feel the need to let you know that WGBB 1240 Freeport (LI)NY is not AM Stereo. I have been to the station and they have a mono console. My associates were at the tx site where they do have an optimod 9100, but it is wired for mono. The old Tx is a mono rig. And worst of all, the telco line from the studio to the Tx site sounds like muffled rubbish. I would be happy to see them just fix the low bandwidth problem never mind AM stereo. The station operates on a fraying shoestring budget. Don't lok for this station to be going stereo anytime soon. The other LI AM station that I can confirm is Not AMS is WHLI 1100 AM Hempstead. WHLI just moved their studios from Garden City in Nassau County to Farmingdale in Suffolk County. The engineers there said that AM stereo is not going to happen there either. I will get back to you on WLIM 1580. I can confirm that they shut the pilot off. Not that t matters, because Polnet just runs their mono feed from chicago. I got half a mind to stop in there some day and try to persuade them to give me thir AMS equipment. Whan WLIM was still WLIM and playing music the AMS sounded great! Jack ellworth was a believer in AM Stereo. They always used to ID the station as 1580 WLIM at the top of your AM Stereo Dial. I dont mean to be picky, or to sound like a pain in the rear, I just dont want us to be promoting stations who are "offenders of the faith" that really SHOULD be broadcasting in AM Stereo. Just one more quick little story. Our Local WNYG on 1440 had been owned by Latino interest for a few years, and they wanted to go AMS, but didn't have the money to upgrade. That didn't stop them however from printing that they were AM Stereo on their Bumper stickers. Their stickers would also have you believe that they were broadcasting from New York City as well. Their second and final set of stickers were more generic looking without any mention of New York or stereo. From rjskadl@yahoo.com Mon Mar 11 22:03:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 12 Mar 2002 06:03:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 3193 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2002 06:03:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2002 06:03:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.82) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2002 06:03:45 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.145] by n32.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2002 06:03:45 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 06:03:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} CKOC Explanation Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00cf01c1c96f$c6b6b4e0$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2667 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl OK, here is what this guy from CKOC might have been talking about. I have heard this a few times around here from NYC stations. I don't think he was talking about actually raising the modulation level up. I think he meant he was able to increase the perceived loudness of the station by cranking up the processing to achieve what we call "balls to the wall" audio. The theory being that "an agressively proccessed station gains coverage area." Now there are some problems with maxing out your processing in AM stereo. The main problem is that in order to max out your mono and still have decent sounding stereo, you have to spend some time adjusting it and you have to do some experimenting. It Can Be Done! But it requires a good deal of skill and passion. From my own bench experiments I can say that you can really max out your mono processing, and still have nice stereo by processing the stereo information less aggressively. It helps the audio sound less harsh. The problem with processing the Stereo as aggressively as the mono when you are driving the hell out of your processor is that it produces really bad sounding effects. Suddenly the stereo effects are overpowering the mono audio. Reverb and echo and other spatial effects leap out of the backgrund and drown out the important center channel audio. Of course the easiest way to combat this is to just reduce the overall amount of processing. This is not the case. But it is the easier of the two options. What CCOK needs to do is process the hell out of their L+R audio, which should help them get an extra mile or two, and figure out a way to back off the agressiveness of the L-R processing. The results are good and you get a pretty good compromise. Of course, i don't like the sound of an overprocessed station, but this method at least lets them be loud to the max in mono for coverage area reasons, but still keep the stereo programming sounding within reason. Once again, It is a difficult process that requires a lot of TLC, but it can be done. I think a prime example of this was WQEW 1560 New York. I actually think the signal has degraded since it went to Radio Disney and went to mono. I think that the stereo system should be turned back on at WQEW. Especially now that I hear that other Radio Disney outlets are in Stereo. I just figured at first that Radio Disney was mono as a Disney cost efficiency issue. AM 600 WICC bridgeport also comes to mind when i think about AMS stations with good signals. Here is a station from Connecticut which comes in better on Long Island than most of the Long Island stations do. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Mon Mar 11 22:09:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 12 Mar 2002 06:09:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 51518 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2002 06:09:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2002 06:09:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.75) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2002 06:09:50 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.117] by n25.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2002 06:07:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 06:09:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: IBOC, DAB, Ad Revenue, Subscriptions Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 7353 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.11 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst This is just my opinion and some may or may not totaly accurate and some of this may just be preaching to the chior but here goes. Looking at digital transmittion as a whole and its ability to be adopted depends on several factors. Programming plays a big factor in whether a new technology adopted or not. The 1st major digital broadcasting success is digital satellite TV. For this, programming isn't the only driving factor, its competition was cable and the consumer could not choose his/her provider. Analog cable had limited number of channels and signal quality could be horrid depending on how far you were from the amplifier and/or weather could have an effect if the system wasn't well sealed. Many times it was worse than broadcast and sevice was awful. With satellite the comsumer could spend $150 on a receiver but could still use his/her existing TV. For what you get this is not much to pay for crystal clear images witn increased lines of resolution through the S-Video connector. Trying to deal with Time Warner's Customer Service is a nightmare compared to DirecTV's services. For us this was the compelling reason why we dropped cable and went to satelite. The fact that I could get more than 1 of each of HBO, TMC, ShowTime, Cinemax, Starz, Flix, etc. was also a factor plus DAB. I can call up DirecTV and get someone to talk to and rarely get put on hold for long. I can have my services changed instantaneously. When I finished installing my dish I called them at 2:30AM and it wasn't more than 2 min later that I had my service turned on. Now thats service. I forsee a similar situation for satellite radio. The crappy programming on AM & FM will drive people away and be willing to buy their service with fewer to no commercials. AM for the most part is voice based and works great for that and FM is great for music and that's if they don't over compress and limit it. Going digital does not offer anything that these two bands can't offer now, in fact there are some features that analog offers that digital can't. The only compelling reason to switch to a digital ifrastructure is if along with the free audio comes subscription based content. I suspect this was the ultimate goal for IBOC on FM. IBOC on AM does not have enough BW to do anything with other that have one good quality mono channel but with decreased coverage. There is not quite enough BW to do good quality stereo. IBOC is a replacement technology and for what it replaces doesn't bring much more than what is provided with the existing system. I think one of the motivating factors is that digital satellite is going to take listeners away from them and they want to migrate to a digital platform so they can also do subscriptions. From a financial point, FM, has more of a need to generate side income from subscriptions to pay their electric bill. This is where a good portion of the advertising dollars go for a commercial station and they are pushed into playing music from this limited list comprised of the most "popular" songs. There are no requests and the DJ must play every song at the appointed time. Well this may be a bit extreme but is the kind of situation that most FM stations are in. For one of our local non comercial station the electricity for both studio and transmitter runs over $60K a month for the 100KW station I think and is listener supported so a lot of fund drives are done. I don't see how FM is going to compete with its current programing scheme when satellite radio gets rooted, thats why I can see them wanting to go digital. AM on the other hand is not in this advertising stranglehold in order to pay a huge electric bill like FM is considering that the average AM station is 5KW compared to 100KW for FM. This allows more freedom in programming where altrnative music formats can be played. This is just the type of situation where analog AM Stereo can flurish providing good quality stereo with content that can't be had anywhere else. Cell phones are a new thecnology where people do put up with the dropouts because there are no alternatives. Mobile communications are a big asset to most people on the go so putting up with intermittent sevice is an inconvienence that they will live with. The same thing was probably similar when AM, FM-St, & TV first came on the scene. Is was a new technology and a novelty in some cases and people were willing to put up with the developmental problems. IBOC will have to climb that mountain that has already been built by analog and offer something that is over and above that. On sound quality alone IBOC will not offer enough to compel people to adopt. There will have to be many extras available before consumers will migrate like subscriptions of enhanced programming like satelite DAB is doing. To tell you the truth I hate the idea of prostituting the public airwaves for the consumer dollar through subscriptions especially in the AM and FM bands since the original intent of public airwaves was that the listener did not pay a fee but had to listen to commercials istead. Kind of a pay as you go scheme in the sense that it is only your time that costs you and not money. If this is the main goal of IBOC, that is to get a digital infrastruscture in place so broadcasters can make money off extra- curicular programming, then they will care less about the free programming and it won't matter how good the sound quality is if the free programming SUCKS. I see a self fulfilling prophecy on their part taking place. First, reduce the sound quality of the already excellent analog sevice we now have through over processing. Second, introduce a hybrid overlay of an analog/digital system called IBOC that adds digital noise that bleeds into the analog signal. Third, let the programming go to hell on the free stuff because why do you want any competition for the paid stuff. In the end you end up with a really crappy product. No wonder digital sounds better. Duh! You just built up digital at analog's expense. In the end I don't think IBOC is just about improved sound. The implications are much greater. Most of the benefits are for the broadcasters through perceived increased revenue and the consumer gains very little in comparison. I wouldn't be suprised if a similar thing that has happened with cable & satelite TV happens with DAB and that is programming stagnation. In the end the consumer pays more and gets less. If IBOC's longterm goal is in this direction then we don't want it to take hold so we should not support it and we should actively discourage its migration. On the other hand if IBOC does offer a great benefit to consumers which means increased listeners and increased revenues from ads for broadcasters then this is the way it should work but this is probably not the case. It seems like it works in the opposite direction. More ads are run to increase profit, quailty programming is reduced to cut costs which in turn reduces listenership and therefore their ratings go down. Lower ratings means reduced ad revenue and is compensated with more ads and reduced programming, at least this is my impression I get when I listen to commercial radio. Kind of a vicious downwarding spiral. I could see a station betting caught in this downward spiral of false economy not be able to get out of it. JSG From rfinder@telusplanet.net Tue Mar 12 00:22:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rfinder@telusplanet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 12 Mar 2002 08:22:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 28011 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2002 08:22:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2002 08:22:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.83) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2002 08:22:22 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.157] by n33.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2002 08:22:22 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 08:22:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: IBOC: Disaster on The Horizon Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2839 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "i2thesky2001" X-Originating-IP: 142.59.23.17 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Why are so many people using digital cell phones these days? Superior voice transmission to analog? Not! I use a digital cell phone only because its cheaper> digital>narrow bandwidth>cheaper. I hate this stupid phone, I cant stand the artifacts and drop-outs everywhere I go. Give me analog, but the rates are higher. What a paradox! Most people given the choice would rather talk to someone and have thier voice fade breifly to static or dead air and have the transmission "ease back in" than that agonizing garble-de-gook hassle of digital. The same scenario will apply to IBOC, I would bet any money on it. IBOC, from what information I've read about it will be a short lived embarrasment in radio history. Some day we as humans will realize two things. 1: Digital works great for line of sight point to point broadcasting like satellite and microwave, and of course digital fibre optic. and 2: Analog is more suited for any point to multipoint terrestrial broadcasts. If it ain't broke, then dont try to fix it. In Canada, and European countries, DAB will be on L-Band and analog AM/FM will be left alone. I do not understand why the USA is messing around this IBOC concept. A gradual, gentle "forcing" the public to upgrade to IBOC ready radios is going to be the ultimate violation of anti-trust laws in these points: 1: The public is faced with the cross-roads decision to go either XM or IBOC, two technological upgrades that will cost the consumer yet more cash and of course 'getting used to the new technolgy', and most will hold off until one technology is more successful and shows promise. 2: The need to upgrade to HDTV has an obvious potential demand and the consumer is aware that North America have been watching inferior TV pictures than the rest of the free world for nearly a half a century, its time we had something better. 3: This whole idea of trying to implement DAB on a terestrial platform with it's obvious drop-out problems and artifacts will cause the consumer to be very frustrated that he paid big money for an inferior product, the word will spread like wild fire and IBOC will be dead before it gets off the ground. 4. the obvious degradtion of the original analog audio be the IBOC subcarrier will have catastrophic reprocussions. Digital TV works great simply because the receiver and its antenna are stationary, which is of course not the case with radio. The biggest selling point that attract advertisers to radio is the fact that radio is on the go, it's everywhere and can go with you. IBOC will infringe upon the versitility of radio. XM may flourish but due to their inability to provide local programming, will remain an exclusive service for the cross country commuters and the SUV outbackers. Mabey I'm crazy, but lets see how the future unfolds. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Mar 12 01:22:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 12 Mar 2002 09:22:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 616 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2002 09:22:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2002 09:22:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.52) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2002 09:22:13 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.121] by n2.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2002 09:21:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:18:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC: Disaster on The Horizon Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2293 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.13 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "i2thesky2001" wrote: > Why are so many people using digital cell phones these days? Superior > voice transmission to analog? Not! I use a digital cell phone only > because its cheaper> digital>narrow bandwidth>cheaper. I hate this > stupid phone, I cant stand the artifacts and drop-outs everywhere I > go. Give me analog, but the rates are higher. What a paradox! > > Most people given the choice would rather talk to someone and have > thier voice fade breifly to static or dead air and have the > transmission "ease back in" than that agonizing garble-de-gook hassle > of digital. The same scenario will apply to IBOC, I would bet any > money on it. > Most people don't know that analog phones are still available and put up with the crummy digital service. I have a cell phone and I hate the dropouts but I chose it over analog for other reasons. I chose a CDMA phone because it was the most secure and the output power was 200mW at 1.8 GHz which also means that the bateries last longer. What most people don't know is that the brain cavity resonates at 900MHz and the analog phones power is 800mW. Thats more radiation than want I resonating inside my brain. Even the TDMA digital ones are a graft onto the old analog towers that still use 900MHz at 800mW. The best choice is those old analog bag phones where the antenna is away from your heaad. Those have an output of 1.5W and this was the original design criteria for analog but I think the FCC required them to reduce the power for handheld units but this isn't really safe either. For that matter even the CDMA ones may not be safe but they're safer than TDMA & analog ones. I'm seriously thinking about turning mine off as I can't justify the $50/mo bill as it gets used very little. IBOC will probably die an embarrasing deatn. IBOC on AM is a joke as there's no BW to do anything with, not technically feasable. IBOC on FM does have enough BW to do something like digitize the SCA signal but not enough to what is proposed which is that they want to more than double the station's BW to do multiple stereo non CD quality signals where they can charge for some. This can not be tolerated as it will undermine the whole concept of free and public airwaves. JSG From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Mar 12 01:58:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 12 Mar 2002 09:58:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 38154 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2002 09:58:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2002 09:58:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2002 09:58:13 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.50]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 04:52:53 -0500 Message-ID: <008001c1c9ab$a8bc7c40$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC: Disaster on The Horizon Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 04:52:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Heh heh... the city of NY found out how bad digital phones were, and went back to analog in many cases. There are many reports from police and fire companies also that talk about how bad digital is- cc ----- Original Message ----- From: jsgilst To: Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 4:18 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC: Disaster on The Horizon From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Mar 12 03:39:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 12 Mar 2002 11:39:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 26280 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2002 11:39:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2002 11:39:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO host.warwick.net) (204.255.24.254) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2002 11:39:36 -0000 Received: from chris (qelapsvc.florida.ul.warwick.net [208.228.96.20]) by host.warwick.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2CBdYg382904 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 06:39:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000701c1c9ba$855dc6a0$0501a8c0@warwick.net> To: Subject: Thanks Matt & Matt Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 06:39:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Your transmitter will be sent soon! the proper oscillator for 1197 is on the way, and you will be in business! CC From amfmdx@fastq.com Tue Mar 12 08:18:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 12 Mar 2002 16:18:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 19885 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2002 16:18:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2002 16:18:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2002 16:18:54 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d66-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.98]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g2CGIrn79370 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:18:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <005501c1c9e1$23c93ce0$62f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC: Disaster on The Horizon Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:15:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 > IBOC, from what information I've read about it will be a short lived > embarrasment in radio history. I don't think so but I do suspect the final outcome will be not what we expect. I do know that I would absolutely hate it if things never got out of the transitional phase where we had some analog stations in mono, some in C-QUAM and some in IBOC stereo on AM. This is my greatest fear about the whole mess. Still, I don't think digital will be a failure because it will eventually evolve into something that works. I think that in time the manufacturers will all make radios that receive and decode digital signals. It won't be long before cell phones will no longer be analog. Most cell carriers are demanding that you have a CDMA phone to open a new account. The analog is really going. AT&T and Verizon both are going this route. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From amfmdx@fastq.com Tue Mar 12 08:20:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 12 Mar 2002 16:20:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 47933 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2002 16:20:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2002 16:20:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2002 16:20:32 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d66-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.98]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g2CGKVn79419 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:20:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <005b01c1c9e1$5e1f03c0$62f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC: Disaster on The Horizon Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:17:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 > Most people don't know that analog phones are still available and > put up with the crummy digital service. Verizon, AT&T and Sprint are demanding you to have a CDMA phone to open a new account. Analog is going to be gone soon. I am not saying digital is better now, but I am saying in time it will be. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From mwradio@gmx.net Tue Mar 12 08:46:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mwradio@gmx.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 12 Mar 2002 16:46:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 17273 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2002 16:45:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2002 16:45:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.dnbsi.com) (207.229.108.169) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2002 16:45:59 -0000 Received: from espositojm2 (0-1pool157-4.nas1.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net [65.128.157.4]) by smtp.dnbsi.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 95614CFA9 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 08:45:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00ff01c1c9e5$61315000$06630780@espositojm2> To: References: <005b01c1c9e1$5e1f03c0$62f9bed8@kredding430cdt> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC: Disaster on The Horizon Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:45:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Joe Esposito" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=93604673 X-Yahoo-Profile: espositojm I am still on the Verizon AMPS network My first job out of college in 96 was a switch technician position with Aerial Communication (Voicestream Wireless). All of our field techs always carried a analog phone because the digital service was not very good at the time because Aerial was in the middle of network build-out. There was nothing more frustrating than using a digital phone to troubleshoot any problem with our field techs. Digital service is much better now than it was in those early days. Joe Esposito ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevin" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 11:17 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC: Disaster on The Horizon > > Most people don't know that analog phones are still available and > > put up with the crummy digital service. > > Verizon, AT&T and Sprint are demanding you to have a CDMA phone to open a > new account. > > Analog is going to be gone soon. From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Mar 12 08:52:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 12 Mar 2002 16:52:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 30240 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2002 16:52:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2002 16:52:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO boron.vcn.com) (209.193.72.5) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2002 16:52:29 -0000 Received: from kaoxevanston (unverified [63.175.110.75]) by boron.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:52:28 -0700 Message-ID: <00ab01c1c9e6$4af64880$0200a8c0@kaoxevanston> To: References: <005501c1c9e1$23c93ce0$62f9bed8@kredding430cdt> Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC: Disaster on The Horizon Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:52:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Michael J. Richard - KAOX FM" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Even here in our little town, Verizon upgraded their tower to digital. Now WE think that may have been because of all our Olympic activity and all the olympic visitors here (Evanston is only 80 miles from Salt Lake) but still I don't like it :( I know I'm stuck with it, but I still don't like it. I DO enjoy the fact that my battery doesn't die on me now but it still sucks to sit there talking out loud to NO ONE because the signal dropped out and went away 15 seconds ago....or to have the party you're talking to all of a sudden interrupt you in mid-sentence saying "uh.....you still there? HELLO???!!...I CAN'T HEAR YOU!" I've heard that IBOC AM is gonna be about the rate of a 28.8 bps mp3 feed. That's kinda shoddy quality. I guess we don't have a choice. It's coming. But just like my cell phone, I ain't gonna like it. I'll be forced to use it, but I ain't gotta like it. :( MJR ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 9:15 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC: Disaster on The Horizon It won't be long before cell phones will no longer be analog. Most cell carriers are demanding that you have a CDMA phone to open a new account. The analog is really going. AT&T and Verizon both are going this route. Kevin Mesa, Arizona [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmdx@fastq.com Tue Mar 12 08:57:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 12 Mar 2002 16:57:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 68699 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2002 16:57:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2002 16:57:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2002 16:57:29 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d66-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.98]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g2CGvSn80614 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:57:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <008701c1c9e6$80982440$62f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <20020312004543.37255.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Checking -In / Clear Channel Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:53:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 > KEVIN R: please go to the next message to avoid high blood pressure, > becuase you won't believe what I'm going to say: Not all Clear Channel stations suck. The Corporate body at Clear Channel sure does. As soon as the station slips in the ratings, they will get destroyed as all the other ones did. Enjoy it while you can. > Now if they just used this as a template for their other > AM stations, and then turned AM Stereo on, I would actually be happy > with the Clear Channel folks. > OK Kevin, it's safe now... Although the corporation sucks, I have said it all along. If they left the stereo on, until they moved to IBOC, then I would have no problem with them, other than the cookie cutter programming on most of their stations. I would quit bitching if they just went to stereo of some form. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From amfmdx@fastq.com Tue Mar 12 09:07:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 12 Mar 2002 17:07:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 81794 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2002 17:07:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2002 17:07:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2002 17:07:28 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d66-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.98]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g2CH7Rn80991 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:07:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <009f01c1c9e7$e2f32b20$62f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <005b01c1c9e1$5e1f03c0$62f9bed8@kredding430cdt> <00ff01c1c9e5$61315000$06630780@espositojm2> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC: Disaster on The Horizon Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:03:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 > Digital service is much better now than it was in those early days. Yes it is. IBOC will be similar. It will be shaky at first and improve as time passes. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From amfmdx@fastq.com Tue Mar 12 09:07:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 12 Mar 2002 17:07:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 40019 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2002 17:03:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2002 17:03:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2002 17:03:33 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d66-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.98]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g2CH3Vn80847 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:03:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <009901c1c9e7$57844880$62f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <005501c1c9e1$23c93ce0$62f9bed8@kredding430cdt> <00ab01c1c9e6$4af64880$0200a8c0@kaoxevanston> Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC: Disaster on The Horizon Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:59:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 Mike, When other towers are added, this will stop. I had those issues in the beginning. All I know is that I went from AT&T to Verizon and both told me if I change accounts, I had to buy a CDMA phone and that regular digital wasn't enough. Analog on cells is going and analog in the FM band will go first and then on MW. Its coming, it will be in stereo and for me, that will be a good thing. C-QUAM is great technology, what sucks is that it was NEVER supported anywhere other than auto manufacturers. When IBOC shows, stereo, although digital will be ADDED on stations and as far as I am concerned, that is going to be a great thing. Kevin Mesa, Arizona ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael J. Richard - KAOX FM" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 9:52 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC: Disaster on The Horizon > Even here in our little town, Verizon upgraded their tower to digital. From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Mar 12 09:15:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 12 Mar 2002 17:15:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 72485 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2002 17:15:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2002 17:15:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO boron.vcn.com) (209.193.72.5) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2002 17:15:23 -0000 Received: from kaoxevanston (unverified [63.175.110.75]) by boron.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:15:23 -0700 Message-ID: <00b401c1c9e9$7e8198f0$0200a8c0@kaoxevanston> To: References: <005501c1c9e1$23c93ce0$62f9bed8@kredding430cdt> <00ab01c1c9e6$4af64880$0200a8c0@kaoxevanston> <009901c1c9e7$57844880$62f9bed8@kredding430cdt> Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC: Disaster on The Horizon Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:15:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Michael J. Richard - KAOX FM" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree. Stereo is a good thing. Speaking of stereo, heading up to Kemmerer Wyoming in just a few hours. Going to do some more testing and tweaking with the AMS system. I really want to try to figure out what is going on with my left and right blending. I really would like true separation. Will check to see if it's in the Orban 9100a or in the exciter. Also this time I WILL bring my digital camera and snap some pics of the studio and stuff. I know there's a lot of you guys interested in this stuff. Will snap 'em and post 'em and let y'all know. Just hope the weather isn't too bad. Supposed to be kinda snowy and nasty today. MJR....technician on the go ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 9:59 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC: Disaster on The Horizon Mike, When other towers are added, this will stop. I had those issues in the beginning. All I know is that I went from AT&T to Verizon and both told me if I change accounts, I had to buy a CDMA phone and that regular digital wasn't enough. Analog on cells is going and analog in the FM band will go first and then on MW. Its coming, it will be in stereo and for me, that will be a good thing. C-QUAM is great technology, what sucks is that it was NEVER supported anywhere other than auto manufacturers. When IBOC shows, stereo, although digital will be ADDED on stations and as far as I am concerned, that is going to be a great thing. Kevin Mesa, Arizona [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Tue Mar 12 09:27:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 12 Mar 2002 17:27:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 82407 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2002 17:27:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2002 17:27:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.51) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2002 17:27:47 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.120] by n1.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2002 17:25:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:25:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: ANOTHER CASUALTY... AGAIN!!!!!! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 812 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.158.51.34 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 Here is the response from GTO 960 Kingston: Hello Matt, In fact GTO-960 ceased broadcasting in AM stereo several years ago. Lack of demand led ultimately to the general demise of the process continent wide.The big electronics companies never really embraced the technology, therefore the marketplace was limited in terms of access to AM Stereo units. Same with the big auto companies, who never really got around to putting units in cars (likely the make/break for the whole thing). Thanks for asking.... hope you're enjoying what you're hearing nonetheless. Can digital radio be far off for Kingston radio? Stay tuned. Sincerely yours, Lorne Matthews Operations Manager COUNTRY 96 / GTO-960, Kingston, ON. 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PHONE: (613)549-1911 ext. 211 FAX: (613) 549-7974 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Mar 12 10:41:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 12 Mar 2002 18:41:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 13302 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2002 18:41:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2002 18:41:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.63) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2002 18:41:34 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.125] by n13.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2002 18:20:17 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 18:41:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Don't panic Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 561 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.186 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics If you notice a lack of Stereo on NYC sports station 660 WFAN, that's because they're currently on a low power backup transmitter while maintenance is being done on the main transmitter. This also happened about a year ago when WFAN was in Mono for a day or two and then came back in full Stereo. Anyway, 660 WFAN's lower power was clearly obvious early this morning when 650 WSM from Nashville, 750 miles away from NYC, was actually splattering *onto* WFAN, rather than the other way around. 670 WSCR from Chicago was also coming in unusually well. From mwradio@gmx.net Tue Mar 12 10:56:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mwradio@gmx.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 12 Mar 2002 18:56:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 77904 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2002 18:56:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2002 18:56:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.dnbsi.com) (207.229.108.169) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2002 18:56:03 -0000 Received: from espositojm2 (0-1pool157-234.nas1.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net [65.128.157.234]) by smtp.dnbsi.com (Postfix) with SMTP id CCCF2CFAE for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:56:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <01f101c1c9f7$8db5ede0$06630780@espositojm2> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Don't panic Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 13:55:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Joe Esposito" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=93604673 X-Yahoo-Profile: espositojm Low power! I couldn't tell the difference in signal strength here in York. I went out to my '90 Plymouth Sundance over lunch to listen to a few stations. The display on my car radio no longer works but I did notice that WFAN wasn't in STEREO today. Too bad my favorite station KDKA is no longer in STEREO. I used to sit out in my dads car when I was younger and listen to the Pirate games in Stereo. I wonder if KDKA still has their stereo equipment? Joe E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevtronics" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 1:41 PM Subject: {AMSF} Don't panic > If you notice a lack of Stereo on NYC sports station 660 WFAN, that's > because they're currently on a low power backup transmitter while > maintenance is being done on the main transmitter. From 1377.3mp@start.com.au Tue Mar 12 11:35:59 2002 Return-Path: <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Sender: 1377.3mp@start.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 12 Mar 2002 19:35:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 61423 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2002 19:31:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2002 19:31:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.71) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2002 19:31:39 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.159] by n21.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2002 19:14:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 19:31:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: KCJJ Chris Cuff Interview ? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1608 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Originating-IP: 213.121.69.187 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69495942 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Thanks for the link. I've now downloaded all 135 files from the site so have over 450MB of AMS samples! Interested in hearing WSPD so was this station THE first in AMS ? Dave --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > > On the other ams group a while ago now someone posted a high quality > > ra file thougth this was just part 1 (which I have - 12mins worth) > > of perhaps a 2 or 3 part recording ?? I don't think all parts were > > ever posted though. I seemed to remember it was a 2hr rec though > > could be wrong about this > > The complete recording of Chris Cuff's and Scott Todd's visit to KCJJ > (as compiled and edited by Chris) is about an hour and a half long, > including some songs. RealAudio files of the first three parts > (kcjj1.rm, kcjj2.rm, kcjj3.rm) can be found in this web directory: > > http://www.nrcdxas.org/amstereo/stations/North-America/USA/Iowa/ > > The first part is pretty good quality Stereo at 32 kbps and requires > RealPlayer 8.0 or higher. The second and third parts are exclusively > voice content so there were encoded at 16 kbps (mono) and work with > any version of RealPlayer. > > You can also just click on the playlist file "kcjj.ram" and it will > play all three parts in sequence. > > There are obviously more parts left to encode, but I haven't gotten > around to it, mostly because both of my good cassette decks are on the > fritz! However, there was one extra clip I encoded, in high quality > Stereo MP3, of Chris Cuff "playing DJ" on KCJJ: > > http://rvcc2.raritanval.edu/ktek9053/kcjj-cc.mp3 From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Tue Mar 12 11:41:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 12 Mar 2002 19:41:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 33126 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2002 19:41:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2002 19:41:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.79) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2002 19:41:03 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.44] by n29.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2002 19:41:02 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 19:41:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: I feel sick! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 374 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.141.21.135 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 This is from CJAD Montreal: Hi Matt We have not broadcast in Am stereo in years. The technology never took off and we removed the stereo exciter back in the late 1980s. All the best. Rob CFRA Ottawa and CJVR (now known as CKJH) are confirmed as still being in Stereo. I should have a definitive (but short) list of Canadian AMS broadcasters in a few days. Matt From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Mar 12 14:21:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 12 Mar 2002 22:21:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 13339 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2002 22:21:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2002 22:21:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.63) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2002 22:21:48 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.126] by n13.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2002 22:00:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 22:21:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: I feel sick! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 690 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.186 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > This is from CJAD Montreal: > Hi Matt > We have not broadcast in Am stereo in years. The technology never > took off and we removed the stereo exciter back in the late 1980s. Sorry, but that is such a bunch of BS!! I was in Montreal just a few months ago in August 2001, and 800 CJAD was definitely putting out a STEREO signal. I was right in downtown Montreal and their signal was so strong there was absolutely no doubt about it. So how could they still be broadcasting in AM Stereo in 2001 if they removed the Stereo equipment in the "late 1980s"?????? Sheesh.... yet another station employee that is either ridiculously ignorant, or is just plain trying to lie to us!! From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Mar 12 14:57:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 12 Mar 2002 22:57:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 94856 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2002 22:57:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2002 22:57:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.62) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2002 22:57:50 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.114] by n12.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2002 22:57:50 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 22:57:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC: Disaster on The Horizon Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1546 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.53 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst I was thinking along the lines of the transfer rate of a 56K modem for BW on IBOC AM because the BW for the IBOC signal is ~5KHz, just a little more than a phone line but I guess you have to consider that it is a one way communication and extra BW is needed for lots of error correction. If 28.8 is all that is available for IBOC-AM then that is going to be low fidelity for stereo. I think we are reaching the limit on how much we can compress audio and still have it sounding good. Real, Fraunhoffer, and M$ have all done extensive research in this area and what we have today is the result of that. They have yet to produce a streaming technology that will do stereo with a 12KHz response and sound good. Try to make a stereo mp3 with a 24KHz sample rate at 28Kbps and it will soung really crappy and full of artifacts. I could see 8KHz mono going down this pipe OK and sounding fair but this isn't any better than what we have for mono AM. If you want to know what this will sound like then just stream audio over a 33.6 modem because the BW availability is about the same for IBOC. I have yet to hear the kind of quality over a modem that you get from a full BW C-QuAM receiver and I dout you ever will. The modem technology has reached its limit at >56K over regular phone lines and the compression is reaching its limit and it's not going to get much better than this. The best that IBOC could do is use existing modem technology and todays audio compression algorithms and this is not going to produce good quality stereo. JSG From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Mar 12 16:17:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 13 Mar 2002 00:17:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 67376 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2002 00:17:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2002 00:17:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2002 00:17:37 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.64]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 19:12:20 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01c1ca23$b7574320$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: I feel sick! Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 19:12:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I can also verify that this past May, while I was in Montreal, they were indeed stereo, with separation in bumpers and commercials. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics To: Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 5:21 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: I feel sick! > > This is from CJAD Montreal: From n0uiheric@aol.com Tue Mar 12 16:44:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 13 Mar 2002 00:44:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 72001 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2002 00:44:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2002 00:44:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2002 00:44:55 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.c3.1f5dd834 (3876) for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 19:44:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 19:44:45 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC: Disaster on The Horizon To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih IBOC will NEVER COME TO FRUITION. Digital should be BANNED below 1 GHz (1000 MHz). IBOC is a disaster waiting to happen. Just read the DAB SYSTEM LAB RESULTS from the CBC. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://members.aol.com/n0uiheric/TurnOffClearChannel.html http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/turnoffclearchannel From n0uiheric@aol.com Tue Mar 12 16:45:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 13 Mar 2002 00:45:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 695 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2002 00:45:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2002 00:45:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2002 00:45:03 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.16f.a2b9d9c (3876) for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 19:44:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <16f.a2b9d9c.29bffafe@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 19:44:46 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC: Disaster on The Horizon To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih IBOC is being worked with in the United States because the Department of Defense refuses to obey international telecommunications treaties and surrender the L-Band to commercial and non-commercial broadcasters as a third broadcast band. The DoD is actually in violation of international regulations by remaining in the L-Band instead of moving their activities to other frequencies. I don't think IBOC will ever work; it will reduce coverage more severely on both AM and FM, technical quality will suffer greatly, and it is INCOMPATIBLE with our current AM and FM radios. IBOC-DAB is an audio version of a fax machine. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://members.aol.com/n0uiheric/TurnOffClearChannel.html http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/turnoffclearchannel From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Mar 12 17:04:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 13 Mar 2002 01:04:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 39828 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2002 01:04:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2002 01:04:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.56) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2002 01:04:46 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.181] by n6.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2002 01:04:46 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 01:04:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC: Disaster on The Horizon Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005501c1c9e1$23c93ce0$62f9bed8@kredding430cdt> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1251 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.182 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevin" wrote: > > Still, I don't think digital will be a failure because it will eventually > evolve into something that works. I think that in time the manufacturers > will all make radios that receive and decode digital signals. > The cheapest and least complicated part of the radio is the AM section. We can't even get manufacturers to include C-QuAM decoders in them. What makes You think that they will include the more expensive digital technology which will never be better than than C-QuAM is at its best. The NAB is not going to push the FCC into sundowning analog radio if there is only a minority of digital radios in the market. They would be alienating a large portion of their audience with the loss of advertising dollars. This would be financial siucide. They could try but I think there would be a large drop in their revenue stream and they would quickly go back to analog. I think the same thing will be true for HDTV. If the market is not saturated with the new sets then you will see the sundowning deadline extended, maybe indefinitely. It's all up to the consumers. Even if they try to force it down our throats if we don't buy the new technology it won't take off. JSG From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Mar 12 17:24:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 13 Mar 2002 01:24:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 94675 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2002 01:24:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2002 01:24:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.75) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2002 01:24:45 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.177] by n25.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2002 01:22:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 01:24:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC: Disaster on The Horizon Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <16f.a2b9d9c.29bffafe@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 955 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.182 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., n0uiheric@a... wrote: > IBOC is being worked with in the United States because the Department of > Defense refuses to obey international telecommunications treaties and > surrender the L-Band to commercial and non-commercial broadcasters as a third > broadcast band. The DoD is actually in violation of international regulations > by remaining in the L-Band instead of moving their activities to other > frequencies. Why do we need to use the same band that Eureka uses. One place in the spectrum is unused TV channels. 6 MHz is a lot of space for audio. Every city has a fair amount of free channels available. why do you think they auctioned 70-83 off for cell phones. They plan to auction more channels below 70 for something else. Now the same channels are not free in the different cities. One solution to that is use different channels in different cities and have transverters in the front end of the radios. JSG From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Mar 12 20:21:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 13 Mar 2002 04:21:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 30512 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2002 04:20:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2002 04:20:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14201.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.143) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2002 04:20:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20020313042056.7744.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.162.18.173] by web14201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 20:20:56 PST Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 20:20:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: Why IBOC will crash and burn To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Reason #1: Why IBOC won't make it: is because GM has a HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS invested in XM Satellite radio, and even collects the $10 a month in the GM Car Payment! Reason #2: Why IBOC won't make it: because becuase Chrysler has $140 MILLION invested in SIRRUS Satellite radio, and Ford has just measly millions invested in SIRRUS as well. Why would GM, Chrysler or Ford put IBOC (or C-Quam) on their radios when they are trying to collect on their huge investments on thier satellite businesses? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Bossmsx@aol.com Tue Mar 12 22:11:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 13 Mar 2002 06:11:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 17943 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2002 06:11:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2002 06:11:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m09.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.164) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2002 06:11:37 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.12.1bc2244f (3982) for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 01:11:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <12.1bc2244f.29c04796@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 01:11:34 EST Subject: Re: Why IBOC will crash and burn To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP US sub 50 From: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <> Don't want to 'shake the bushes' here, as it seems most of you are not in favor of IBOC...So please, no hard feelings. As for Ford (and Visteon, who makes radios for Fords), both are investors in iBiquity...You can see this for yourself at www.ibiquity.com. Now, GM and Chrysler don't show up in the list of investors...You could be right there, they may not want any part of IBOC. This could actually mean good news for analog AM Stereo, as this probably means that GM/Chrysler may continue to support AM Stereo in their radios. --tony s. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmdx@fastq.com Tue Mar 12 22:36:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 13 Mar 2002 06:36:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 71745 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2002 06:36:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2002 06:36:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2002 06:36:08 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d39-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.71]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g2D6a7n01040 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 23:36:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <002101c1ca58$4abb3480$47f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ Chris Cuff Interview ? Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 23:28:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 > Interested in hearing WSPD so was this station THE first in AMS ? The first legally licensed AM stereo station was KTSA 550 San Antonio, TX and it transmitted Kahn. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From dav259@minerals.csiro.au Wed Mar 13 00:04:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@minerals.csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 13 Mar 2002 08:04:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 99762 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2002 08:04:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2002 08:04:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2002 08:04:05 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00304 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:04:03 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:04:03 +1100 (EST) To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why IBOC will crash and burn In-Reply-To: <12.1bc2244f.29c04796@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24627097 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 On Wed, 13 Mar 2002 Tony S wrote: > Don't want to 'shake the bushes' here, as it seems most of you are not in > favor of IBOC...So please, no hard feelings. No worries Tony - but I hope you don't get it. With the little I know I'm starting to think maybe AM stations should be dual Analog and Eureka stations till Eureka has a bit of a stronghold as far as receivers go. It would mean AM stations would have to wire up for stereo and would be silly not turning on their exciters where they have them. We may get another ten years of AM stereo - and the little ones may never even make the move to digital. I'd hate to see the US to be out of kilter with Oz (and possibly the rest of the world) after 80 years of radio broadcasting. But I can see it in my tea leaves ... and I don't even drink tea ... Let IBOC crash and burn. Ian From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Wed Mar 13 00:57:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 13 Mar 2002 08:56:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 53606 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2002 08:56:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2002 08:56:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.51) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2002 08:56:58 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.43] by n1.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2002 08:56:45 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 08:56:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Any Khan stereo stations still out there? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 163 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.175.65.19 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 Looking through old messages on this board I noticed someone saying that WISP 1570 Doylestown, PA was still sending out the 15HZ pilot tone. Are there others? From philipr@irac.pe.ca Wed Mar 13 05:38:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 13 Mar 2002 13:38:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 38542 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2002 13:38:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2002 13:38:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.75) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2002 13:38:36 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.35] by n25.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2002 13:36:17 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:38:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: I heard AM stereo last night! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2840 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Last night I arrived home from work to find that the AM stereo decoder board I ordered from Chris Cuff had arrived. After looking at it, I pretty much figured out how to hook it up. I hooked up 2 RCA phono plugs [shielded] to the outputs, added a ground lead to the battery ground, opened up my old Realistic TRF FET AM only portable, hooked the phono plugs up to the input of a small amp, plugged in headphones, grounded the decoder and started hunting for the input to the detector diode. Without the input of the decoder hooked up, I could hear CHTN loudly, but in mono. I tuned in CJFX [with of course CFRA in the background]and started the hunting. I struck paydirt on the second 1N34A like diode I found - CJ in mono through the headphones. I fine-tuned things down to we'll say 578 khz - the stereo indicator started to flicker, then locked - and bango - I heard very dramatic stereo separation through the headphones. Sound quality was fairly poor, but the Realistic has very narrow bandwidth. I tried listening to this temporary setup this morning, much easier to tune with CFRA out of the picture. I'm using a 9 volt battery to power the decoder. The Realistic was powered by batteries to reduce interference. The little amp brought a lot of AC line hash into the picture until I plugged it into my homemade isolation transformer - then the hash stopped. I'd like to put this into a permanent set up. I asume 6 volts to 9 volts should be OK, given that the voltage regulator appears to set the voltage at 5 volts. I suspect that an analogue tuning radio is better, because with typical digital tuning, you can't fine tune. Would it work better if I clipped the existing detector diode out? I'd like to put this in an AM mono, FM stereo portable to take advantage of the built in stereo amp. I don't own such a beast as yet. Any suggestions on an inexpensive rig suitable for such mods? I want decent bandwidth, but fairly good sensitivity, as of course there are no local AM stereo stations here. I'm certainly not expecting AMAX, though I wish! My other idea is to build it into my GE SR II [I wouldn't want to try that with the III because of its varactor diode tuning - but it would be nice to have its AMAX more or less wideband!]. The SR II has a plate type tuner, real IFs and I'm sure I could spot the detector diode without too much trouble. I would then need to install a 1/8 inch stereo minijack for the output - then it could be pluged into a separate amp. The bandwidth on the SR II seems better than the realistic, yet it is as sensitive. If I don't have to clip the diode, then I could run it in the usual manner. If I do have to clip the diode, then it would pretty much be a dedicated AM stereo tuner. Any and all suggestions are most welcome! Phil From amfmdx@fastq.com Wed Mar 13 07:17:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 13 Mar 2002 15:17:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 77743 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2002 15:17:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2002 15:17:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2002 15:17:02 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d218-osel.phx.fastq.com [207.173.146.79]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g2DFH0n05067 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 08:17:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <002701c1caa0$c5809140$4f92adcf@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} I heard AM stereo last night! Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 08:07:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 > I hooked up 2 RCA phono plugs [shielded] to the outputs, added a > ground lead to the battery ground, opened up my old Realistic TRF > FET AM only portable, You have a RS 12-655? I had one of those and its a fairly decent little DX receiver. > I'd like to put this in an AM mono, FM stereo portable to take > advantage of the built in stereo amp. You need to find a nice boombox to put the thing in. > My other idea is to build it into my GE SR II Don't. The SR II is mono and you would still have to run it into an amp. Get a boombox and do it that way. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From amfmdx@fastq.com Wed Mar 13 07:27:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 13 Mar 2002 15:27:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 71153 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2002 15:27:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2002 15:27:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2002 15:27:01 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d218-osel.phx.fastq.com [207.173.146.79]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g2DFQxn05335 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 08:26:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <003b01c1caa2$288c98a0$4f92adcf@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Any Khan stereo stations still out there? Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 08:17:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 > Looking through old messages on this board I noticed someone saying > that WISP 1570 Doylestown, PA was still sending out the 15HZ pilot > tone. Are there others? I will say this again. If you want to call the FCC's attention to a station in Kahn giving you a good deal, and have them come and shut down the operation, keep being stupid and mentioning their call letters. The FCC *WILL* come and shut your Kahn station down. The answer to your question is yes. And no, I will not talk about it. You all should just listen to it and enjoy it while you can. Try to use your heads. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From amfmdx@fastq.com Wed Mar 13 07:27:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 13 Mar 2002 15:27:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 62016 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2002 15:23:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2002 15:23:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2002 15:23:45 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d218-osel.phx.fastq.com [207.173.146.79]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g2DFNhn05214 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 08:23:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <003501c1caa1$b485d660$4f92adcf@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why IBOC will crash and burn Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 08:13:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 > I'd hate to see the US to be out of kilter with Oz (and possibly the rest > of the world) after 80 years of radio broadcasting. Ian, I would prefer Eureka too but its not going to happen here on this side of the pond. The military will NOT let the L band go, the FCC and DOD and the people have been over this for several years. Now that the US is in little wars all over the place, Afghanistan, Somalia, the Phillippines, and coming soon to IRAQ, there will be NO talk of the military giving up spectrum until all of this is over. It appears that the US will be telling the world, have it your way, we will have it ours. I have to wonder about the efficacy of this. > Let IBOC crash and burn. Since we aren't getting Eureka in the next 20 years, I really do hope IBOC *ON MW* is *wildly* successful. That means it has to sound good and *PROGRAMMING HERE IN THE US HAS TO STOP SUCKING.* Kevin Mesa, Arizona From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Mar 13 09:24:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 13 Mar 2002 17:24:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 53216 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2002 17:23:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2002 17:23:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2002 17:23:18 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-223.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.223]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2DHMibd001136 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:23:21 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <009301c1cab4$0053cae0$df5826d0@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC, DAB, Ad Revenue, Subscriptions Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 10:23:19 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Another informed prediction as to why IBOC will fail can be found at www.rwonline.com and look for the latest column by Skip Pizzi. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: jsgilst To: Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 12:09 AM Subject: {AMSF} IBOC, DAB, Ad Revenue, Subscriptions > This is just my opinion and some may or may not totaly accurate > and some of this may just be preaching to the chior but here goes. From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Mar 13 09:24:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 13 Mar 2002 17:24:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 7311 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2002 17:23:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2002 17:23:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2002 17:23:23 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-223.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.223]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2DHMibh001136 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:23:27 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <009501c1cab4$03d50260$df5826d0@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} I feel sick! Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 10:38:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Reinforcing once again what I've been saying all along- we need receivers, receivers, receivers. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: matt_haw2000 > This is from CJAD Montreal: > We have not broadcast in Am stereo in years. The technology never > took > off and we removed the stereo exciter back in the late 1980s. > From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Mar 13 09:24:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 13 Mar 2002 17:24:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 8158 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2002 17:23:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2002 17:23:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2002 17:23:36 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-223.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.223]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2DHMibp001136 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:23:39 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <009901c1cab4$0aff1da0$df5826d0@me> To: References: <20020313042056.7744.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Why IBOC will crash and burn Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:06:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Why IBOC won't make it is merely (and I shudder some to say this, because much the same could be said about AMS) is that it is merely a qualitative improvement. This was one of the things Skip Pizzi brought out- FM, when it was mostly an improved audio quality simulcasts with AM stations, didn't do too well. Once the FCC forced a certain amount of non-simulcast hours, it had to offer something that would attract listeners, and that's when it's success finally occured. When cable was merely rebroadcasting distant TV stations, few people that could pick up an over the air signal even bothered. Add some new services that couldn't be had on local TV, and wham! One difference I do see is if an AMS station could make some compelling programming available plus some radios to hear it in all its glory, it could make an impact. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Johnny Electron From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Mar 13 09:25:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 13 Mar 2002 17:25:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 57180 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2002 17:23:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2002 17:23:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2002 17:23:33 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-223.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.223]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2DHMibn001136 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:23:36 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <009801c1cab4$095d0660$df5826d0@me> To: References: <16f.a2b9d9c.29bffafe@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC: Disaster on The Horizon Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 10:52:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude That's only a small part of the equation, Eric. The real reason IBOC was developed was so the 50kW powerhouse wasn't reduced to the same level as the 250W peanut whistle. Nowhere else in the world was commercial radio developed to the extent it has here. THAT has been the main driving force. Also, nowhere else in the world was L-band as in use as in the US. It was open territory in the rest of the world. In some sense, we're a victim of our own success. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: > IBOC is being worked with in the United States because the Department of > Defense refuses to obey international telecommunications treaties and > surrender the L-Band to commercial and non-commercial broadcasters as a third > broadcast band. From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Mar 13 09:25:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 13 Mar 2002 17:25:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 4258 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2002 17:23:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2002 17:23:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2002 17:23:42 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-223.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.223]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2DHMibt001136 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:23:45 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <009b01c1cab4$0e897ce0$df5826d0@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} I heard AM stereo last night! Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:23:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Most any Phillips or Magnavox brand boombox could be easily converted. I've heard Chris say a number of times these are some of the best ones to convert. JUST TO BE SURE, however, before you dig in, I'd say listen to the local oscillator of whatever radio you purchase on your other radio. Tune the new radio to a strong station on the low half of the dial, and listen and see if the oscillator is unstable, or shows signs of being modulated in any way. If it's quiet and stable, then take the back off and dig in. Chances are you'll have to take the IF off the pin of a chip (filters are almost always external) as the detector diode may be integral to the chip. Even in radios with detector diodes, I leave them in place as they also function as part of the AVC circuit as well. I just don't take the audio from there. ST firebottles forever :) ----- Original Message ----- From: tubesareking > I'd like to put this in an AM mono, FM stereo portable to take > advantage of the built in stereo amp. I don't own such a beast as > yet. Any suggestions on an inexpensive rig suitable for such mods? > From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Mar 13 09:35:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 13 Mar 2002 17:35:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 50683 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2002 17:35:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2002 17:35:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2002 17:35:16 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-223.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.223]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2DHZ5bd003370; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:35:06 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00bd01c1cab5$ac686a60$df5826d0@me> To: , Subject: Fw: Roberts Radio. Quality hand made roberts radios for MAIL ORDER. Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:36:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Looks like they have some quality radios at a decent price. I wonder if we could get them to make special US versions with AMS and expanded band? ST http://www.ogormans.co.uk/roberts.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Mar 13 10:19:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 13 Mar 2002 18:19:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 61583 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2002 18:18:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2002 18:18:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2002 18:18:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20020313181808.26970.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 10:18:07 PST Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 10:18:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: AMS gear offer from a seller: To: Dennis AMstereo IAAAS List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Guys, I'm not having any luck getting a decent price on AMS goodies: here's the latest offer that I received (any takers?) "I have a BE Am Strereo Exciter Model BE AX10 - Asking $2250 Presently on 840Khz. Will retune to your freq. and test for $200......... Also have Motorola Cquam 1400 on 550Khz plus 1410 Mod monitor. Would prefer to sell as set. Asking $4500 for both .But will sell Exciter alone for $2500.Tuning and testing same as above. All units in excellent condition. Will provide high res. digital images upon request and interest....... Please let me know of intentions. Dale" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From amfmdx@fastq.com Wed Mar 13 11:34:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 13 Mar 2002 19:34:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 27025 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2002 19:34:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2002 19:34:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2002 19:34:09 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d128-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.160]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g2DJY6n12235 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 12:34:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <005601c1cac5$f365fd00$a0f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <009301c1cab4$0053cae0$df5826d0@me> Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC, DAB, Ad Revenue, Subscriptions Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 12:33:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 As a conservative, I am very surprised to see you following this guys line of thinking. Kevin Mesa, Arizona ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 9:23 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC, DAB, Ad Revenue, Subscriptions > Another informed prediction as to why IBOC will fail can be found at > www.rwonline.com and look for the latest column by Skip Pizzi. > > ST > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jsgilst > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 12:09 AM > Subject: {AMSF} IBOC, DAB, Ad Revenue, Subscriptions > > > > This is just my opinion and some may or may not totaly accurate > > and some of this may just be preaching to the chior but here goes. > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Mar 13 12:49:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 13 Mar 2002 20:49:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 48372 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2002 20:49:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2002 20:49:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.52) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2002 20:49:45 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.152] by n2.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2002 20:49:44 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:49:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Any Kahn stereo stations still out there? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003b01c1caa2$288c98a0$4f92adcf@kredding430cdt> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 721 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.72 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Note that 1570 WISP is *not* a Kahn AM Stereo station. They are a Kahn PowerSide station. In 1993, the FCC ruled that even though PowerSide is transmitted using a Kahn AM Stereo exciter, it can continue to be used, because it is not a system for broadcasting Stereo audio. Stations are also allowed to broadcast any kind of pilot tone(s) they want to. The only requirement is that if they are broadcasting Stereo audio, it has to be using the Motorola C-Quam system. So, theoretically, a station could have a full-fledged Kahn, Harris, or Magnavox AM Stereo exciter working, with the appropriate pilot tone turned on, and that would be fine as long as they are not using it to broadcast true Stereo audio. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Mar 13 13:22:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 13 Mar 2002 21:22:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 70273 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2002 21:22:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2002 21:22:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.73) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2002 21:21:59 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.39] by n23.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2002 21:21:58 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:21:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Radio Disney WFAN?? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1099 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.72 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Looks like the problems at 660 WFAN in New York City are extending to more than just their current lack of a Stereo signal. I have reports that at random and sporadic times, WFAN has been heard broadcasting the audio of 1560 RADIO DISNEY, for up to a half hour at a time!! And these two stations are not even owned by the same company! I have sent WFAN an e-mail and a Fax today inquiring about their lack of AM Stereo, and if I don't get a response I will call them tommorrow and try my best to speak with an engineer at the station. By the way, 660 WFAN shares a tower with co-owned station 880 WCBS (normally mono), through a diplexing arrangement. So if you hear anything funny going on at WFAN, it might be worthwhile to also check out 880 WCBS. If you would like to have a word with them, here is the info: 660 WFAN "Sports Radio 66" New York, NY Phone: (718) 706-7690 Fax: (718) 361-1059 or (718) 361-9234 E-mail: Use form on web site: http://www.wfan.com/ or use general address: cbsnewyork@cbs.com General Manager: Lee Davis Program Director: Mark Chernoff From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Mar 13 13:59:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 13 Mar 2002 21:59:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 46491 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2002 21:59:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2002 21:59:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.74) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2002 21:59:52 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.158] by n24.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2002 21:59:51 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:59:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Sansui S-X1130 Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 150 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.72 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Quite possibly the most advanced multi-system AM Stereo receiver made in the 1980s: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1338294207 From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Mar 13 14:15:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 13 Mar 2002 22:15:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 69400 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2002 22:15:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2002 22:15:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14204.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.146) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2002 22:15:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20020313221518.17887.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:15:18 PST Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:15:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: IBOC comments To: Dennis AMstereo IAAAS List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Interesting comments on IBOC: http://www.rwonline.com/reference-room/iboc/rwf-comment-iboc2.shtml __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Mar 13 14:29:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 13 Mar 2002 22:29:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 7338 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2002 22:29:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2002 22:29:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2002 22:29:04 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.c1.1d5646b8 (30963) for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:28:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:28:55 EST Subject: Yahoo Groups to be down for maintance To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Bad News!! Yahoo Groups will be down from March 15th until March 18th for more maintenence! So in light of this crappy news, next weekend will be rather quiet to say the very least! Normal service is set to resume March 18th Late..... Please pass this news on to as many peeps as you know that use Yahoo Groups. There you have it folks..its either going to be a quiet weekend....or we could post at topica for the weekend..or post with the "devil" {did I say that?...I'll never admit to it!} Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Mar 13 15:13:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 13 Mar 2002 23:13:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 8975 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2002 23:12:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2002 23:12:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m09.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.164) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2002 23:12:50 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.121.d6ff61b (30963) for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:12:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <121.d6ff61b.29c136e7@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:12:39 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Disney WFAN?? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 3/13/02 4:23:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, kevtronics@yahoo.com writes: << Looks like the problems at 660 WFAN in New York City are extending to more than just their current lack of a Stereo signal. I have reports that at random and sporadic times, WFAN has been heard broadcasting the audio of 1560 RADIO DISNEY, for up to a half hour at a time!! And these two stations are not even owned by the same company! >> EEK! I wonder why a station would rebroadcast another station that it doesnt even own? I hope that Radio Disney isnt trying to scrape up a deal to snag WFAN. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From joen3wtv@yahoo.com Wed Mar 13 15:55:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: joen3wtv@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 13 Mar 2002 23:55:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 3667 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2002 23:55:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2002 23:55:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11706.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.72) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2002 23:55:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20020313235516.76039.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.155.45.88] by web11706.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:55:16 PST Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:55:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Disney WFAN?? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <121.d6ff61b.29c136e7@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: joe elias X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=35888484 X-Yahoo-Profile: joen3wtv that would be silly.because disney radio 1560 am is heard better here in south carolina than 66o wfan..........joe --- KC4QLP@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/13/02 4:23:01 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > kevtronics@yahoo.com writes: > > << Looks like the problems at 660 WFAN in New York > City are extending to > more than just their current lack of a Stereo > signal. I have reports > that at random and sporadic times, WFAN has been > heard broadcasting > the audio of 1560 RADIO DISNEY, for up to a half > hour at a time!! > And these two stations are not even owned by the > same company! >> > > > EEK! I wonder why a station would rebroadcast > another station that it doesnt > even own? I hope that Radio Disney isnt trying to > scrape up a deal to snag > WFAN. > > Bob Carter > Operations/Engineering > > WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach > 104..., WQDK 99.3 > Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray > Communications Radio > Network > > Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio > stations with engineering > services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. > e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com > http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice > Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC > WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton > NC > WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor > NC > > AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- > amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com > > amstereo-subcribe@topica.com > amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > KC4QLP Amateur Radio > www.kc4qlp.cjb.net > > voice contact-252-335-0856 > fax 1-209-254-8978 > > _______________________________________________________ > > > WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. > Code, title 47, Chapter > 5, Subchapter II, > "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this > address is subject to a > download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing > denotes acceptance of > these terms." > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------------- > ===== +++ PRAY THE ROSARY EVERYDAY +++ +++ O MARY CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN PRAY FOR US WHO HAVE RECOURSE TO THEE+++ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Wed Mar 13 16:28:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 14 Mar 2002 00:28:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 83668 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2002 00:28:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2002 00:28:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web21412.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.232.81) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2002 00:28:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20020314002759.89628.qmail@web21412.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.143.32.61] by web21412.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:27:59 PST Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:27:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Any Kahn stereo stations still out there? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Matt Hawthorne X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 This is very interesting! Does anybody have a list of stations still sending out the pilot for Khan, Harris or Magnavox but are NOT broadcasting in Stereo? The reason why I ask is because my tuner is a multi-system and I have seen quite a few stations light up but with mono sound. MattH --- kevtronics wrote: > Note that 1570 WISP is *not* a Kahn AM Stereo > station. They are a > Kahn PowerSide station. In 1993, the FCC ruled that > even though > PowerSide is transmitted using a Kahn AM Stereo > exciter, it can > continue to be used, because it is not a system for > broadcasting > Stereo audio. > > Stations are also allowed to broadcast any kind of > pilot tone(s) they > want to. The only requirement is that if they are > broadcasting Stereo > audio, it has to be using the Motorola C-Quam > system. > > So, theoretically, a station could have a > full-fledged Kahn, Harris, > or Magnavox AM Stereo exciter working, with the > appropriate pilot tone > turned on, and that would be fine as long as they > are not using it to > broadcast true Stereo audio. > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Mar 13 19:55:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 14 Mar 2002 03:55:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 71356 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2002 03:55:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2002 03:55:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.62) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2002 03:55:32 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.39] by n12.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2002 03:55:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 03:55:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Web site update Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 605 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.72 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I know Ben and a few other people are probably going to kill me for changing it too much, but I took the liberty of giving the www.AMStereoRadio.com web site a new look. Most of the content underneath the main page is the same, but there are a few additions and a few changes. Please let me know how it looks to you. I only have Netscape so I can't guarantee it will look good with MSIE or other web browsers. I am not as good of a graphical artist as Ben so it is not quite as flashy, but I still think it came out fairly well. As always, it can be found at: http://www.AMStereoRadio.com/ From Ian.Davidson@csiro.au Wed Mar 13 20:29:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 14 Mar 2002 04:29:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 84544 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2002 04:29:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2002 04:29:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bastion1.vic.csiro.au) (138.194.2.8) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2002 04:29:35 -0000 Received: from bastion1.vic.csiro.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bastion1.vic.csiro.au (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g2E4TY405967 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:29:34 +1100 (EST) Received: from clex2.vic.csiro.au (clex2.vic.CSIRO.AU [138.194.13.22]) by bastion1.vic.csiro.au (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g2E4TXA05960; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:29:33 +1100 (EST) Received: by clex2.vic.CSIRO.AU with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:30:14 +1100 Message-ID: <4897C24A770BD411837E00C04F01A1FC010404B6@clex2.vic.CSIRO.AU> To: kevtronics@yahoo.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: {AMSF} Web site update Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:30:13 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) List-Unsubscribe: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89052933 -----Original Message----- From: kevtronics To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: 14/03/02 14:55 Subject: {AMSF} Web site update I know Ben and a few other people are probably going to kill me for changing it too much, but I took the liberty of giving the www.AMStereoRadio.com web site a new look. Kevin - you live! Looks great and seems up to date ... well done! Ian From Bossmsx@aol.com Wed Mar 13 21:33:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 14 Mar 2002 05:33:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 71535 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2002 05:33:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2002 05:33:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m10.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.165) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2002 05:33:19 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.8c.15525644 (17381) for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 00:33:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8c.15525644.29c19011@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 00:33:05 EST Subject: First AM Stereo radio? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP US sub 50 From: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm sure this question has been asked before, but, what is considered to be the FIRST AM Stereo-equipped radio ever made available to the market? Doesn't matter whether it was a car radio, a walkman, a portable, a component, or anything..I just want to know what the first AMS radio was. --tony s./miami [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From matthew.trim@eds.com Wed Mar 13 22:08:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 14 Mar 2002 06:08:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 98115 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2002 06:08:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2002 06:08:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns5.eds.com) (203.17.185.230) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2002 06:08:11 -0000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com (nnsy-3.eds.com [192.168.1.1]) by ns5.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g2E68A012296 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:08:10 +1100 (EST) Received: from nnsy.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2E688K12430 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:08:08 +1100 (EST) Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2E687J12418 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:08:07 +1100 (EST) Received: by AUSYM000 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:07:39 +1100 Message-ID: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542803F52EF1@AUSYM200> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Web site update Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:07:34 +1100 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 G'day Kevin, Looks good.. a little less graphics intensive on the main page which is nice. Might want to add a link to http://www.nrcdxas.org/amstereo/stations/ from the MP3 Page.. there are a lot of air checks there. Cheers, Matt -----Original Message----- From: kevtronics [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, 14 March 2002 13:56 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Web site update I know Ben and a few other people are probably going to kill me for changing it too much, but I took the liberty of giving the www.AMStereoRadio.com web site a new look. Most of the content underneath the main page is the same, but there are a few additions and a few changes. Please let me know how it looks to you. I only have Netscape so I can't guarantee it will look good with MSIE or other web browsers. I am not as good of a graphical artist as Ben so it is not quite as flashy, but I still think it came out fairly well. As always, it can be found at: http://www.AMStereoRadio.com/ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Mar 13 22:15:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 14 Mar 2002 06:15:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 7432 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2002 06:15:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2002 06:15:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.83) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2002 06:15:18 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.182] by n33.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2002 06:15:18 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 06:15:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: First AM Stereo radio? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8c.15525644.29c19011@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1386 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.143 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I'm sure this question has been asked before, but, what is > considered to be the FIRST AM Stereo-equipped radio ever made > available to the market? Doesn't matter whether it was a car radio, > a walkman, a portable, a component, or anything..I just want to know > what the first AMS radio was. I believe the Sony and Sansui multi-system radios were the first to be available. When 1010 CFRB went AM Stereo in the summer of 1984, the only radios they mentioned as being available at stores were the Sony SRF-A1 and SRF-A100 portable radios, and the Sansui CX-990 car radio. As far as I can tell, the first radios designed exclusively for the C-Quam system (using Motorola's MC13020 chip) arrived in the fall of 1984, as "1985" model year cars and trucks equipped with AM Stereo radios, as well as various home model and aftermarket car radios. The MC13020 chip was actually introduced in 1983 but I don't think it was used in any radios until this time. The first AM Stereo decoder chip was the National Semiconductor LM1981, designed for the Magnavox system and introduced in October of 1980, but it was never used in any radios, and the Magnavox system itself was also a flop; although it gained FCC approval, only about 7 or 8 stations ever broadcasted it! (The most famous of which was 1190 WOWO in Ft. Wayne, IN, which later switched to the C-Quam system.) From amfmdx@fastq.com Wed Mar 13 22:31:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 14 Mar 2002 06:31:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 81980 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2002 06:31:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2002 06:31:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2002 06:31:14 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d176-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.208]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g2E6VDn28188 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 23:31:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <002001c1cb21$41c6ee40$d0f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Any Kahn stereo stations still out there? Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 23:27:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 > Note that 1570 WISP is *not* a Kahn AM Stereo station. They are a > Kahn PowerSide station. Kevin, Is there any kind of a list anywhere of stations using Kahn powerSIDE currently? I only know of WISP and KRVN. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From amfmdx@fastq.com Wed Mar 13 22:48:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 14 Mar 2002 06:48:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 70533 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2002 06:48:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2002 06:48:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2002 06:48:02 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d176-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.208]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g2E6m1n28640 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 23:48:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <006c01c1cb23$970585e0$d0f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Web site update Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 23:43:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 I like it! I really like it! Kevin Mesa, Arizona From jsgil@hal-pc.org Wed Mar 13 22:55:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 14 Mar 2002 06:55:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 85802 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2002 06:55:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2002 06:55:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.63) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2002 06:55:02 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.117] by n13.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2002 06:33:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 06:54:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Web site update Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 809 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.89 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > I know Ben and a few other people are probably going to kill me for > changing it too much, but I took the liberty of giving the > www.AMStereoRadio.com web site a new look. Most of the content > underneath the main page is the same, but there are a few additions > and a few changes. > > Please let me know how it looks to you. I only have Netscape so I > can't guarantee it will look good with MSIE or other web browsers. I > am not as good of a graphical artist as Ben so it is not quite as > flashy, but I still think it came out fairly well. > > As always, it can be found at: > > http://www.AMStereoRadio.com/ The darker blue background definitely helps in readability. Switch the other pages backgroungs to this. JSG From Bossmsx@aol.com Wed Mar 13 23:10:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 14 Mar 2002 07:10:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 10190 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2002 07:10:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2002 07:10:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r08.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.104) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2002 07:10:24 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.115.e13ca04 (17381) for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 02:10:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <115.e13ca04.29c1a6d9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 02:10:17 EST Subject: the Magnavox system (was: first AM Stereo radio) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP US sub 50 From: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <> I _think_ someone actually said some time back, and I don't remember on which list, that there actually was a Magnavox radio built with Magnavox AM Stereo capability....But I'm not sure if I was hallucinating when I read that, or if indeed such a radio was made.... <> This I will never be able to understand.....If Magnavox was so favored from the beginning (by both being the one chosen initially by the FCC, to the fact that they would have theoretically been able to mass produce radios capable of decoding Magnavox AMS), why did it end up a very dead and distant last in the AM Stereo systems race?? I would've thought that Magnavox would have engaged in a massive campaign to equip ALL their radios of the era with Magnavox AM Stereo capability, but in the end, they were the weakest players of the 4. tony s/miami [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Bossmsx@aol.com Wed Mar 13 23:13:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 14 Mar 2002 07:13:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 72246 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2002 07:13:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2002 07:13:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2002 07:13:50 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.149.b0225ed (17381) for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 02:13:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <149.b0225ed.29c1a7a9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 02:13:45 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Any Kahn stereo stations still out there? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP US sub 50 From: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <> (the now missing) Alex K's website has a more extensive list of stations that use PowerSIDE, as well as some comments regarding the system...I would think that list of stations is by no means complete, and I know of one station that is not on that list...WMYM/990 "Radio Disney" here in Miami, which on my SRF-A1 and SRF-A100s, plays louder on one channel, with the other channel sounding lower and distorted....WMYM as far as I can tell transmits PowerSIDE with no pilot tone, as it has not triggered my Sansui into Stereo mode. tony s/miami [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu Mar 14 01:23:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 14 Mar 2002 09:23:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 34664 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2002 09:23:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2002 09:23:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.78) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2002 09:23:50 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.40] by n28.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2002 09:23:50 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:23:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: the Magnavox system (was: first AM Stereo radio) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <115.e13ca04.29c1a6d9@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3900 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.70 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., Bossmsx@a... wrote: > <> > > This I will never be able to understand.....If Magnavox was so favored from > the beginning (by both being the one chosen initially by the FCC, to the fact > that they would have theoretically been able to mass produce radios capable > of decoding Magnavox AMS), why did it end up a very dead and distant last in > the AM Stereo systems race?? I would've thought that Magnavox would have > engaged in a massive campaign to equip ALL their radios of the era with > Magnavox AM Stereo capability, but in the end, they were the weakest players > of the 4. Magnavox (and Belar) was one of the more simpler systems initially where there was no special relationship between L+R & L-R. In both these systems the carrier was limited stripping AM before is was sent to the discriminator for L-R. On low interference conditions you had the benefit of the noise protection that you get with FM because of limiting. The Kahn system was actually a spinoff of an AM-PM system. It is basically a Magnavox system using linear phase modulation with audio phase shifters to cause the L & R signals to be separated between the sidebands. He later added a 2nd harmonic component to L-R to reduce distortion and improve separation for those receiving stereo via two mono radios tuned to upper and lower sidebands. The Magnavox people actually converted a Kahn exciter to the their system by removing the audio phase shifters and the 2nd harmonic circuit. Receiver simplicity was a big factor. Before decoder chips came out you could use existing FM limiter/discriminator chips to strip off the L-R, level adjustment to match L+R and a dematrix circuit for the Magnavox and Belar systems. One major drawback to both these systems was the carrier had to be limited on downward modulation so phase information wasn't lost to avoid pops and clicks. The Motorola system had a similar problem but for different reasons. The only system that didn't was Kahn and this was one the characteristics of an ISB system. The audio phase shifting caused L-R to be at the zero crossing while L+R was at either +/- 100% modulation. It was of no consequence if phase information was lost because the detector output was at 0. Harris didn't have a problem either as synchronous detectors don't care if there is a carrier of not. In fact the Harris system showed the best strength against distortion from interference. On reception both the Motorola & Kahn systems were inherently more complex receiver designs. Harris made simple QUAM reception more complex by adding compandoring to L-R to improve envelope compatibility. Motorola solved this with the MC13020 chip but didn't have this ready until a couple of years after the FCC's initial decision for Magnavox in 1980. All in all the Magnavox system preformed pretty well in the initial evaluations. Its protecion ratio was better than Motorola's but was beat out by Harris and Kahn. It and Belar had the best monophonic compatibility. It preformed better that all others on coverage. Belar bowed out for lack of finances and that left Magnavox as the one with the simplest receiver design. Today I think that with the 3rd generation C-QuAM chips that C-QuAM would preform better than Magnavox but Motorola was Johnny come lately to AM Stereo and didn't have their system perfected so from the FCC's point of view and their ability to evaluate the 4 systems the Magnavox system looked the best. After Motorola developed their chip they went on a massive marketing campaign and managed to get all the auto manufacturers to use their chip. Once the market was flooded with radios using their chip along with an agressive legal team they managed to drive out all the other competitors. This led to the final adoption of C-QuAM by the FCC in the mid 90's. JSG From badlhoch@hotmail.com Thu Mar 14 07:22:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: badlhoch@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 14 Mar 2002 15:22:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 47337 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2002 15:21:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2002 15:21:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.163) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2002 15:21:07 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 07:21:07 -0800 Received: from 136.1.1.62 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:21:07 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sansui S-X1130 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:21:07 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Mar 2002 15:21:07.0783 (UTC) FILETIME=[DD4CED70:01C1CB6B] From: "Bill Adlhoch" X-Originating-IP: [136.1.1.62] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59104360 I still use this receiver in my basement, you can also tell which mono stations are using powerside(Kahn) ----Original Message Follows---- From: "kevtronics" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Sansui S-X1130 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:59:49 -0000 Quite possibly the most advanced multi-system AM Stereo receiver made in the 1980s: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1338294207 _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Mar 14 08:07:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 14 Mar 2002 16:06:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 24800 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2002 16:06:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2002 16:06:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO boron.vcn.com) (209.193.72.5) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2002 16:06:58 -0000 Received: from kaoxevanston (unverified [63.175.110.75]) by boron.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:06:57 -0700 Message-ID: <002b01c1cb72$44217c40$0200a8c0@kaoxevanston> To: References: <121.d6ff61b.29c136e7@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Disney WFAN?? Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:06:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Michael J. Richard - KAOX FM" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You know guys....I don't know if this is the case, but here in Wyo we had a strange one, one day last month. The local FM here in Evanston (I used to work for them, still do maintenance and stuff) was all of a sudden re-broadcasting a Salt Lake station and there was nothing we could do about it. What had happened is, the STL transmitter down here at the studio went off frequency...so the STL receiver up on the mountain apparantly searched around for the closest STL signal and found KWKD's STL signal and there you have it. Magic 99 wasn't magic 99, but instead was 102.3...the Blaze for a day. Interesting, eh? As soon as they re-centered the frequency on the STL transmitter, BOOM...Magic 99 was back. Twas a strange one, though.... MJR ----- Original Message ----- From: KC4QLP@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 4:12 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Disney WFAN?? In a message dated 3/13/02 4:23:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, kevtronics@yahoo.com writes: << Looks like the problems at 660 WFAN in New York City are extending to more than just their current lack of a Stereo signal. I have reports that at random and sporadic times, WFAN has been heard broadcasting the audio of 1560 RADIO DISNEY, for up to a half hour at a time!! And these two stations are not even owned by the same company! >> EEK! I wonder why a station would rebroadcast another station that it doesnt even own? I hope that Radio Disney isnt trying to scrape up a deal to snag WFAN. 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Mar 14 08:28:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 14 Mar 2002 16:28:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 16596 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2002 16:28:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2002 16:28:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO boron.vcn.com) (209.193.72.5) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2002 16:28:45 -0000 Received: from kaoxevanston (unverified [63.175.110.75]) by boron.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:28:44 -0700 Message-ID: <008301c1cb75$4ef55e40$0200a8c0@kaoxevanston> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sansui S-X1130 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:28:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Michael J. Richard - KAOX FM" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd really like to bid on this one. I know we've had discussions on the list(s) about starting bidding wars and stuff like that and only the rich people on the list get the goods because the rest of us can't keep up......so on and so forth.... Is "Megafinds" (the current high bidder) someone on this list? Am I gonna start a war if I bid? Help :( MJR......and MJR-FM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Thu Mar 14 09:14:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 14 Mar 2002 17:14:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 31459 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2002 17:14:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2002 17:14:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.71) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2002 17:14:28 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.48] by n21.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2002 16:56:49 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:14:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Some good news (and bad) from the Canadian AMS front! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2253 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.132.75.217 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 This is from CFST: Hi Matt! WOW! a AM Stereo question! Do you have an AM Stereo receiver? I have one on my old car and it rocks! but in answer to your question - yes we are. In fact we're the ONLY AM Winnipeg radio station left to be broadcasting in it! This makes 1290 the best sounding AM station in the city. CFST or CFRW at the time was one of the 1st stations in North America to go AM Stereo back in the day. Here's our AM reach map for your interest. Thanks for your question Matt! Anymore please give a shout Troy Scott Programming/New Media/RCS CFST-AM The TEAM 1290 204.477.2092 tscott@team1290.com EVERYBODY THANK TROY! HE IS TRULY A RARE ONE THESE DAYS! ----------------------------------------------------------------- This is from CKNW/CJNW: Both are still in AM Stereo. CJNW is about to under go a fairly extensive re-build of its transmitter plant, and at that time, the system will probably be converted back to mono. CJNW is 99% voice, with the only stereo being any production elements, and stereo commercials. Maintaining a stereo program path from the studio via a telco lease line is obviously twice as expensive as a mono, and with the rebuild, new am mono processing suitable for talk and news is easier to come by ( and cheaper ) than stereo equipment. As for CKNW, I see no reason to convert back to mono at this time. With this said, there are less and less radios each year capable of receiving AM Stereo. I suspect within a year or two, less than 1% of our audience would have any means of receiving CKNW in stereo. Mark Friesen ---------------------------------------------------------------- Can you confirm if the following stations are broadcasting in AM STEREO? Cullman 1460 WFMH Gospel Florence 1340 WSBM Urban/Adult Contemporary Fort Payne 1400 WMXN Talk Guntersville 1270 WGSV Religious Hartselle 890 WYAM Variety Mobile 900 WGOK Black Gospel Monroeville 930 WYNI Oldies Hi Matt, as far as I know none of these stations are broadcasting in stereo anymore. ~Zach The Alabama Broadcast Media Page (http://members.aol.com/almediapage) ----------------------------------------------- Later, Matt Hawthorne From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Mar 14 09:24:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 14 Mar 2002 17:24:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 69223 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2002 17:23:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2002 17:23:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO boron.vcn.com) (209.193.72.5) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2002 17:23:02 -0000 Received: from kaoxevanston (unverified [63.175.110.75]) by boron.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:23:01 -0700 Message-ID: <009801c1cb7c$e4cedcf0$0200a8c0@kaoxevanston> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Some good news (and bad) from the Canadian AMS front! Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:23:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Michael J. Richard - KAOX FM" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just one reply to the "....is 99% talk and is mono..only production elements are stereo."comment. TV is 100% talk. So why are just about all TV stations broadcasting in stereo? HMMM????? MJR......and MJR (in MTS) Stereo ----- Original Message ----- From: matt_haw2000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 10:14 AM Subject: {AMSF} Some good news (and bad) from the Canadian AMS front! CJNW is 99% voice, with the only stereo being any production elements, and stereo commercials. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Mar 14 10:54:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 14 Mar 2002 18:54:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 21286 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2002 18:53:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2002 18:53:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14205.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.151) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2002 18:53:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20020314185343.84529.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:53:43 PST Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:53:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: Anybody have Anything to trade? To: Dennis AMstereo IAAAS List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I have a BE Am Strereo Exciter Model BE AX10 - Asking $2250 Presently on 840Khz. Will retune to your freq. and test for $200......... Also have Motorola Cquam 1400 on 550Khz plus 1410 Mod monitor. Would prefer to sell as set. Asking $4500 for both .But will sell Exciter alone for $2500.Tuning and testing same as above. All units in excellent condition. Will provide high res. digital images upon request and interest....... Please let me kno of intentions. Dale UPDATE...UPDATE...UPDATE.... We are willing to accept a reasonable offer.All prices quoted by Northland Radio are simply Asking or suggested Prices. We try to be fair, and besides I don't subscribe to the idea of holding on to things for along time..Sound good? Cash and/or trading works! Dale __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ From KC4QLP@aol.com Thu Mar 14 13:06:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 14 Mar 2002 21:06:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 19317 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2002 21:06:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2002 21:06:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2002 21:06:51 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.d5.1453423c (3310) for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 16:06:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 16:06:44 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Anybody have Anything to trade? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 3/14/02 1:59:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, toledohamradio@yahoo.com writes: << Subj: {AMSF} Anybody have Anything to trade? Date: 3/14/02 1:59:28 PM Eastern Standard Time From: toledohamradio@yahoo.com (Johnny Electron) Reply-to: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereo@nrcdxas.org (Dennis AMstereo IAAAS List){{{<-----------sorry...in the eyes of many people here,that list has come and gone.}}} I have a BE Am Strereo Exciter Model BE AX10 - Asking $2250 Presently on 840Khz. Will retune to your freq. and test for $200......... Also have Motorola Cquam 1400 on 550Khz plus 1410 Mod monitor. Would prefer to sell as set. Asking $4500 for both .But will sell Exciter alone for $2500.Tuning and testing same as above. All units in excellent condition. Will provide high res. digital images upon request and interest....... Please let me kno of intentions. Dale UPDATE...UPDATE...UPDATE.... We are willing to accept a reasonable offer.All prices quoted by Northland Radio are simply Asking or suggested Prices. We try to be fair, and besides I don't subscribe to the idea of holding on to things for along time..Sound good? Cash and/or trading works! Dale >> Is there anything Dale is looking for in a trade agreement? From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Mar 14 13:21:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 14 Mar 2002 21:21:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 40190 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2002 21:21:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2002 21:21:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2002 21:21:37 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.82]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 16:16:11 -0500 Message-ID: <002a01c1cb9d$7545d7a0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: Subject: more good news! Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 16:16:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I have been contacted by the Fairbanks Int. Airport, (Alaska) and they want to install my AM stereo transmitters in the airport, running 24/7, in German and English for tourist information. They also want promo radios and are selling advertising space in the form of logos to put on these radios... Is this special or what???? Chris From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Mar 14 13:54:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 14 Mar 2002 21:54:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 5730 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2002 21:54:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2002 21:54:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2002 21:54:44 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.82]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 16:49:18 -0500 Message-ID: <006801c1cba2$158baba0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: Subject: where's my pix? Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 16:49:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I just peeked at the new fron page, and it looks great, but on the "projects" page, none of the pictures open- Is this a temporary quirk? CC From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Mar 14 15:39:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 14 Mar 2002 23:39:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 72521 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2002 23:39:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2002 23:39:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.84) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2002 23:39:10 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.182] by n34.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2002 23:39:04 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 23:39:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Any Kahn stereo stations still out there? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <149.b0225ed.29c1a7a9@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2642 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.33 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > WMYM/990 "Radio Disney" here in Miami, which on my SRF-A1 and > SRF-A100s, plays louder on one channel, with the other channel > sounding lower and distorted That is typical of PowerSide, but make sure you are listening in KAHN mode. There are a few stations out there, for whatever STUPID reason, that are running in C-Quam AM Stereo, with the audio only in one channel, and the other channel completely dead or very low level with distortion. Often, the 25 Hz AM Stereo pilot tone is turned off as well. I have heard this from 1150 WRUN in Utica, NY, and 1670 WRNC in Georgia did this as well until Clear Channel changed them to a Gospel format and now their AM Stereo signal (with pilot) is broadcasting both audio channels, however I have not had a chance to check for true Stereo separation coming from them. In the case of WRUN, they are broadcasting the audio in the Left channel only, via the C-QUAM system (NOT PowerSide), and with the pilot tone turned off. The only reason for this I can imagine is that their clueless engineer doesn't know the C-Quam Exciter is still active, and only has one audio channel plugged into it.... and with the pilot tone turned off, this problem will not appear unless you have a "forced" AM Stereo radio such as the Sonys or MetroSound. Also, thankfully due to the Matrix processing of C-Quam audio, there is no loss of loudness when running single-channel audio! Anyway, assuming you are dealing with a genuine KAHN PowerSide signal, there are various ways to tell this is the case: * on a regular Mono radio, or a C-Quam AM Stereo radio that requires a pilot tone to switch to Stereo mode, a Kahn PowerSide signal will be received in plain Mono and will tend to sound distorted and overmodulated. * on an AM Stereo radio that operates in "forced" mode, such as the Sonys and MetroSound, in C-QUAM mode you will hear even more distortion and the audio will sound "out-of-phase", with one channel slightly louder than the other. The louder channel indicades which sideband (Left/Lower or Right/Upper) the PowerSide signal is being transmitted on. * on a multi-system AM Stereo radio in KAHN mode, you will hear one channel louder than the other, and the loud channel will have more bass, and the quieter channel will have more treble. * however, on a (rare) multi-system AM Stereo radio which relies on pilot tones to engage the various Stereo modes, it will act like a mono radio (listed above) unless the PowerSide station happens to be transmitting a 15 Hz Kahn AM Stereo pilot tone (which they ARE allowed to do, but it serves no useful purpose). From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Mar 14 15:54:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 14 Mar 2002 23:54:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 74292 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2002 23:54:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2002 23:54:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.76) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2002 23:54:06 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.88] by n26.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2002 23:35:23 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 23:54:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: more good news! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002a01c1cb9d$7545d7a0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 904 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.33 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I have been contacted by the Fairbanks Int. Airport, (Alaska) and > they want to install my AM stereo transmitters in the airport, > running 24/7, in German and English for tourist information. They > also want promo radios and are selling advertising space in the form > of logos to put on these radios... Very interesting, and also very strange.... but perhaps it will inspire some local AM stations to return to (or upgrade to) AM Stereo as well! Are they planning on getting the Alfredo transmitter FCC-accepted for full fledged "TIS" (typically 10 watt) use, or will it be a strictly low power Part 15 operation? Some of these 10-watt TIS (road info, airport info, etc.) stations have excellent coverage, especially on 530 kHz.... Rutgers University operates a 10-watt TIS on 530 kHz, and I'd say it has better signal coverage than some 1000-watt stations on the upper end of the dial! From joen3wtv@yahoo.com Thu Mar 14 15:58:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: joen3wtv@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 14 Mar 2002 23:58:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 30574 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2002 23:58:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2002 23:58:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11703.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.69) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2002 23:58:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20020314235811.6846.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.155.45.61] by web11703.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:58:11 PST Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:58:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: more good news! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: joe elias X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=35888484 X-Yahoo-Profile: joen3wtv youve never heard the tis station from central florida then,that operates on 1680 khz.i hear it everynite here in south carolina.its been reported to have been heard up into central ohio.......joe --- kevtronics wrote: > > I have been contacted by the Fairbanks Int. > Airport, (Alaska) and > > they want to install my AM stereo transmitters in > the airport, > > running 24/7, in German and English for tourist > information. They > > also want promo radios and are selling advertising > space in the form > > of logos to put on these radios... > > Very interesting, and also very strange.... but > perhaps it will > inspire some local AM stations to return to (or > upgrade to) AM Stereo > as well! > > Are they planning on getting the Alfredo transmitter > FCC-accepted for > full fledged "TIS" (typically 10 watt) use, or will > it be a strictly > low power Part 15 operation? > > Some of these 10-watt TIS (road info, airport info, > etc.) stations > have excellent coverage, especially on 530 kHz.... > Rutgers University > operates a 10-watt TIS on 530 kHz, and I'd say it > has better signal > coverage than some 1000-watt stations on the upper > end of the dial! > > > ===== +++ PRAY THE ROSARY EVERYDAY +++ +++ O MARY CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN PRAY FOR US WHO HAVE RECOURSE TO THEE+++ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Mar 14 16:00:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 15 Mar 2002 00:00:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 9765 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2002 00:00:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2002 00:00:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.64) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2002 00:00:09 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.131] by n14.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2002 00:02:18 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 00:00:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: where's my pix? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006801c1cba2$158baba0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 315 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.33 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I just peeked at the new front page, and it looks great, but on the > "projects" page, none of the pictures open- Is this a temporary > quirk? It's all working fine for me, and the files are there on the server... it was probably just a glitch of your browser. Try hitting Reload or Refresh to try it again. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Mar 14 16:06:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 15 Mar 2002 00:06:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 49111 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2002 00:06:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2002 00:06:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.70) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2002 00:06:46 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.125] by n20.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2002 23:51:22 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 00:06:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: more good news! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020314235811.6846.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 866 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.33 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > youve never heard the tis station from central florida > then,that operates on 1680 khz.i hear it everynite > here in south carolina.its been reported to have been > heard up into central ohio.......joe I have heard *of* the pair of Texas airport TIS stations on 1640 and 1680 kHz, but I've never picked them up myself here in NJ. They went on the air back when the Expanded Band was almost empty, and I believe at least in the beginning they were running a special authorization of 40 watts power (more than the standard 10 watts for TIS stations). Nowadays, I have local and semi-local TIS stations on 1610, 1630, 1640, and 1700 kHz, but thankfully at night, the *real* Expanded Band stations usually come in strongly enough to drown all of these out, or to at least have an AM Stereo pilot tone peeking through, such as from 1630 KCJJ or 1640 WKSH. From KC4QLP@aol.com Thu Mar 14 16:09:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 15 Mar 2002 00:09:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 54851 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2002 00:09:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2002 00:09:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2002 00:09:19 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.d7.146706c8 (4413) for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:09:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:09:08 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} more good news! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 3/14/02 4:24:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, ccuff@in4web.com writes: << I have been contacted by the Fairbanks Int. Airport, (Alaska) and they want to install my AM stereo transmitters in the airport, running 24/7, in German and English for tourist information. They also want promo radios and are selling advertising space in the form of logos to put on these radios... Is this special or what???? Chris >> Its fantastic!....its another shot of exposing AM Stereo once more. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! 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To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: joe elias X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=35888484 X-Yahoo-Profile: joen3wtv nighttime here in south carolina is a horrible time to listen to am stereo.theres so many stations on the dial.for example .on 730 khz.i turn the radio one way,i hear a talk station in oklahoma.i turn it another and i hear primetime radio in canada.....joe --- kevtronics wrote: > > youve never heard the tis station from central > florida > > then,that operates on 1680 khz.i hear it everynite > > here in south carolina.its been reported to have > been > > heard up into central ohio.......joe > > I have heard *of* the pair of Texas airport TIS > stations on 1640 and > 1680 kHz, but I've never picked them up myself here > in NJ. They went > on the air back when the Expanded Band was almost > empty, and I believe > at least in the beginning they were running a > special authorization of > 40 watts power (more than the standard 10 watts for > TIS stations). > > Nowadays, I have local and semi-local TIS stations > on 1610, 1630, > 1640, and 1700 kHz, but thankfully at night, the > *real* Expanded Band > stations usually come in strongly enough to drown > all of these out, or > to at least have an AM Stereo pilot tone peeking > through, such as from > 1630 KCJJ or 1640 WKSH. > > > ===== +++ PRAY THE ROSARY EVERYDAY +++ +++ O MARY CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN PRAY FOR US WHO HAVE RECOURSE TO THEE+++ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Mar 14 16:15:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 15 Mar 2002 00:15:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 58692 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2002 00:15:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2002 00:15:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.79) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2002 00:15:34 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.130] by n29.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2002 00:15:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 00:15:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Temp. Forum home for the weekend Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 940 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Announce: yes From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.33 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics As all of you might have heard by now, Yahoo Groups will be unavailable this weekend from Friday evening (9 PM PST/midnight EST) until Sunday morning because of "system maintenance". Please do NOT send any messages to the list during this time as it will clog up the system with back-log when it starts working again. So, for those of you who can't live a weekend without discussing AM Stereo, I have set up a temporary home for The AM Stereo Forum on EZBoard: http://pub61.ezboard.com/bamstereo Signing up with EZBoard is free and relatively painless (no running through hoops like Yahoo makes you do), and the interface of the EZBoard is simple, advertising-free, and user-friendly. This could almost be a permanent new home for AM Stereo discussions, except EZBoard is strictly a web based service and does not offer mailing list functionality like Yahoo Groups. I hope to see at least some of you there this weekend! From KC4QLP@aol.com Thu Mar 14 16:17:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 15 Mar 2002 00:17:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 32403 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2002 00:17:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2002 00:17:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2002 00:17:43 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.166.a5ddc30 (4413) for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:17:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <166.a5ddc30.29c297a1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:17:37 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Any Kahn stereo stations still out there? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 3/14/02 6:41:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, kevtronics@yahoo.com writes: << In the case of WRUN, they are broadcasting the audio in the Left channel only, via the C-QUAM system (NOT PowerSide), and with the pilot tone turned off. The only reason for this I can imagine is that their clueless engineer doesn't know the C-Quam Exciter is still active, and only has one audio channel plugged into it.... and with the pilot tone turned off, this problem will not appear unless you have a "forced" AM Stereo radio such as the Sonys or MetroSound. Also, thankfully due to the Matrix processing of C-Quam audio, there is no loss of loudness when running single-channel audio! >> Does this station have a website or email address? I will be around the Utica NY area the second week of April {honeymoon getaway trip} The soon to be wife would probably beat knots on my head all the way back to NC..but if they are having problems with the stereo transmission...and need a little "kick" in the engineering dept maybe to the lack of an engineer,I could make a quick stop and push a button switch and hook up and audio wire..and adjust some processing to fix it up.........Hey,ya never know. Even if they are running this way purposely..then maybe they need some insight on to make themselves sound better. {looking for helmet and checking to see if last will & testament is up to date} Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 3/14/02 7:00:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, kevtronics@yahoo.com writes: << Are they planning on getting the Alfredo transmitter FCC-accepted for full fledged "TIS" (typically 10 watt) use, or will it be a strictly low power Part 15 operation? Some of these 10-watt TIS (road info, airport info, etc.) stations have excellent coverage, especially on 530 kHz.... Rutgers University operates a 10-watt TIS on 530 kHz, and I'd say it has better signal coverage than some 1000-watt stations on the upper end of the dial! >> Kind of reminds me of the TIS station in the Hapton Roads Va area. It operates on 620 { used to be 530 but they moved because of the great night-time interference from the station in the Caribbean} During the day,this travelers info station is heard 35 miles away clearly...signal is weak,but you can get a traffic report before you get there. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From rfinder@telusplanet.net Thu Mar 14 16:25:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rfinder@telusplanet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 15 Mar 2002 00:25:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 72380 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2002 00:25:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2002 00:25:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.68) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2002 00:25:50 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.136] by n18.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2002 00:26:06 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 00:25:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Money Talks; Got an Idea! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2152 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "i2thesky2001" X-Originating-IP: 142.59.49.245 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public After reading some posts where station PD's, managers and CEO's have replied back to our querys on why they no longer do AMS, I get the feeling that cost cutting seems to be the main motivation behind the chop. Some say that mainting a stereo link between studio and TX is twice as expensive as mono. Others claim that re-installing and maintaining an exciter is too costly. Some even go to the extreme to point out that running a stereo feed in their computer digital library takes up more hard drive space, more RAM and therefore more expensive. Personally I think this is a load of caca seeing that running and AM, even a class A clear channel blowtorch is less than half the power bill and engineer's payroll than your typical 100 kW FM. Talking to radio tech's, most of them are telling me that your typical solid state FM TX has to be adjusted and serviced quite regularly due to the high wattage and the overdriven audio processing. AM's are cheap and relatively low maintenance. So whats the big deal? These AM/FM outlets gotta be on the take from someone to harbour such ridiculous, callous and biased views. So here is my solution. Give these cheapo's some new or used equippment and install the parts for free, and maitain them for free! Sounds ludicrous, but why dont we start a non-profit organization and put money in towards this cause!? I would be the first to donate $ 100.00 a year because I would hate to see AM stereo die! Lets start with public owned stations and work our way up to classical, jazz and adult contemporary stations. Or better yet, lets invade a C.C. Class A like 1160 KSL in Salt Lake with an exciter and a convincing sales team to show an example to the rest of the country! Come on guys, most of you are engineers and techs, the greatest thing you can give to this cause is your time. I would participate by getting contacts and email addresses to these stations that used to be stereo. We could start by sending them a portfolio about the Facts of AM stereo aa a way to re-educate them of the lies they were told. Lets call it S.A.M.S.R.F.E. Save AM Stereo Radio For Eternity From KC4QLP@aol.com Thu Mar 14 17:21:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 15 Mar 2002 01:21:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 96186 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2002 01:21:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2002 01:21:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r02.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.98) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2002 01:21:29 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.106.ec30019 (4413) for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:21:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <106.ec30019.29c2a691@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:21:21 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Money Talks; Got an Idea! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp <<< I get the feeling that cost cutting seems to be the main motivation behind the chop. Some say that mainting a stereo link between studio and TX is twice as expensive as mono.>>> This is only true is it is only a mono land line STL. If it is digital...it shouldnt be that much of a problem ...unless....the bandwidth is being used for digital controls from and too the studio and transmitter...some also feed the on air signal down on the digital line for on air monitoring back at the studio. <<< Others claim that re-installing and maintaining an exciter is too costly.>>> This could be true if they have go out and purchase the equipment. If the equipment is already on hand...it could be a matter of finding or hoaxing the engineer to activating the exciter again. Some of todays engineers are really bull headed and set in there ways about AM Stereo...just ask Kevin T. about the hassles he gets on rec.radio broadcast! <<>> This is true as well...unfortunately broadcast gear and related equipment prices are overly blown up.Unless the engineer is crafty and has access to cheap stuff to "make do"...most stations do not have a choice when it comes to this. Sometimes the computer programs can not be "fixed" by just anyone these days on some of these digital broadcast systems...so it all depends on the stations resources.What I do since I can not get a larger hard drive...I just lower the sample rate a tad and change to a different file format...one that doesnt eat up as much drive space. Some folks out there in the biz dont think to try something like this. <<>> This is true..but most AM's today do not get the "FM" treatment...AM's in most companies are an after thought. <<< Talking to radio tech's, most of them are telling me that your typical solid state FM TX has to be adjusted and serviced quite regularly due to the high wattage and the overdriven audio processing. AM's are cheap and relatively low maintenance. So whats the big deal?>>> In my present experience,servicing a solid state FM is no more troublesome as a solid state AM setup.Even a very well mantained Tube type transmitter made in the 40's isnt that much to mantain if its keep clean and in top working order.But the sad fact majority of AM's and today are not really low maintenance as most AM's are using old equipment that wasnt mantained over the years..something along the lines of 50 years or older. Very few enjoy have new state of the art equipment.Typically these stations hire a contract engineer to patch things up..and the work I've seen by some of these contract engineers will scare you.These AM'ers can not afford to hire an engineer that knows what he/she is doing...heck they barely get by month to month because of the mentality people have about AM verse FM.....business are doing there most business with the FM's in most areas leaving AM's to scrape by. <<>> Take it from someone that has first hand experience in the business...some of what stations say is a load of garbage...but some of this other stuff mention is the true sad state of broadcast radio today....it sure isnt like it was 30-50 years ago...not even close. <<>> Ok...you have lots of money to buy up these 2000 to 4000 dollar exciters,on air monitors,audio processing,control boards,computers for music and commericals,cart machines...etc etc etc? <<>> The non-profit organization would work....but you would have to either have a bunch of people donating $100.00 a year..or have a bunch of filthy rich people involved...most of us are just getting by.....heck the economy is in a twirling motion and most non-profits are experiencing lower and fewer donations right now since 9-11-01 {may we never forget}. It would be a real struggle to get it off the ground right now...at least until the war is over. <<< Lets start with public owned stations and work our way up to classical, jazz and adult contemporary stations. Or better yet, lets invade a C.C. Class A like 1160 KSL in Salt Lake with an exciter and a convincing sales team to show an example to the rest of the country! Come on guys, most of you are engineers and techs, the greatest thing you can give to this cause is your time. I would participate by getting contacts and email addresses to these stations that used to be stereo. We could start by sending them a portfolio about the Facts of AM stereo aa a way to re-educate them of the lies they were told.>>> Good luck!...most of these stations that were AM Stereo but have since shut it off are most of the time owned by companies that either dont beleive in AM Stereo or the engineers that work for these stations do not beleive in the technology.The only real cure for that is to buy the station,take over a company or have the engineer booted out and take his job. We would be hard pressed to do any of that. The AM Stereo front is making ground with the internet group we have...its going to be slow and hard.....just remember..Rome wasnt built in a day..and we are the contruction crew to build "Rome" Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! 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Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! 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Reply: I first fell in love with AM Stereo when a Magnavox AM Stereo Tuner hit the front cover of 'Popular Electronics' magazine in the late 70's. I never ever saw one other than the one on the cover. It may have been the only one ever made. If I recall correctly, it had a really slick ferrite bar in a plastic cover that was adjustable on the rear of the rig. Another radio that had limited production was the Kahn/Hazeltine "STEREO/STEREO" radio, which was a Radio Shack tuner with decals and Kahn only encoding. Magnavox lost being the spec because Leonard Kahn was a **** and cry-babied to the FCC, eventually leading to the 'take your pick' mode for AMS that hurt us so bad - and him too! First AMS Chip: I sent my LM1981 to Chris Cuff for our AM Stereo 'Hall of Fame'. I was able to decode WOWO with it plugged into a RatShack temporary plug-in ProtoBoard, but I din't have the smarts at the time to record receiption on it! First AMS rigs: Sony SRF-A1, SRF-A100, and the Sansui 4-mode home receiver. Shortly thereafter there were the 'top of the line' automotive radios by Concord, Clarion and Pioneer. Pioneer even had T-Shirts that said "We have the cure for Mono - Pioneer AM Stereo". Aaaah, the good old days! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Mar 14 17:58:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 15 Mar 2002 01:58:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 829 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2002 01:58:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2002 01:58:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14203.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.145) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2002 01:58:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20020315015858.47463.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.162.18.173] by web14203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:58:58 PST Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:58:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: I was not selling the equipment To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Gentlemen, I wasn't selling the overpriced AMS exciter, I was merely forwarding the message he had sent to see if any of us might be in a position to barter with him for something that he wanted. Again, I am not selling the $2000 items, only forwarding a potential source if he had a 90 percent off sale. OK? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ From KC4QLP@aol.com Thu Mar 14 18:09:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 15 Mar 2002 02:09:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 92960 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2002 02:09:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2002 02:09:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r07.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.103) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2002 02:09:32 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.10.1b7603fd (4330) for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 21:09:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <10.1b7603fd.29c2b1d1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 21:09:21 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} I was not selling the equipment To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 3/14/02 9:01:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, toledohamradio@yahoo.com writes: << Subj: {AMSF} I was not selling the equipment Date: 3/14/02 9:01:01 PM Eastern Standard Time From: toledohamradio@yahoo.com (Johnny Electron) Reply-to: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com (K.T. radio list AMS 2001) CC: amstereo@nrcdxas.org (Dennis AMstereo IAAAS List){<---BTW..that list is still dead and has been written off in my book} Gentlemen, I wasn't selling the overpriced AMS exciter, I was merely forwarding the message he had sent to see if any of us might be in a position to barter with him for something that he wanted. Again, I am not selling the $2000 items, only forwarding a potential source if he had a 90 percent off sale. OK? >> Can you forward to the group who to contact so that potential negotiations can take place directly with this individual? 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Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <166.a5ddc30.29c297a1@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1467 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.33 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Does this station have a website or email address? > ..but if they are having problems with the stereo transmission...and > need a little "kick" in the engineering dept maybe to the lack of an > engineer,I could make a quick stop and push a button switch and hook > up and audio wire..and adjust some processing to fix it up......... > Hey,ya never know. > Even if they are running this way purposely..then maybe they need > some insight on to make themselves sound better. I don't have any info on 1150 WRUN other than I believe they are simculasting local mono (never Stereo) News station 950 WIBX. Therefore they probably have little interest in actually broadcasting in true Stereo. But at the very least you could help get both audio channels working again and maybe convince them to leave the pilot tone on in order to open up newer GM/Delco AM Stereo radios to wide bandwidth mode. In the Utica area I also heard a station on 900 kHz (?) AM with the same problem, although unlike WRUN they actually appeared to be putting out a pilot.... but this was about 2 years ago. In the area you will hear good stereo from 1050 WFBL (Nostalgia music) and 1390 WDCW (Crawford-owned Christian format), and also Entercom- owned 1520 WWKB from Buffalo with 50,000 watts of AM Stereo. Nighttime will bring you the excellent sound of Crawford-owned "Legends 1540 WPTR" from Albany, NY with Nostalgia music in full Stereo, and also some good Canadian DX! From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Mar 15 01:05:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 15 Mar 2002 09:05:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 81882 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2002 09:05:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2002 09:05:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2002 09:05:34 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.37]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 04:00:11 -0500 Message-ID: <003c01c1cbff$cc736c60$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: where's my pix? Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 04:00:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Now I see where my problem was- I have auto-select encoding enabled on my computer, so I can view Japanese websites. Most of the time, this works fine, but in some cases, it does not "auto select" and I have to manually click the "Western Windows" to get the pages to load. Prob. solved! CC ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Mar 15 01:06:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 15 Mar 2002 09:06:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 76693 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2002 09:06:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2002 09:06:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2002 09:06:55 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.37]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 04:01:32 -0500 Message-ID: <004201c1cbff$fcb4f060$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: more good news! Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 04:01:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 These will be strictly part 15- although in Fairbanks, I would "imagine" there would be no problem with higher power.... :-) CC ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics > Very interesting, and also very strange.... but perhaps it will > inspire some local AM stations to return to (or upgrade to) AM Stereo > as well! > > Are they planning on getting the Alfredo transmitter FCC-accepted for > full fledged "TIS" (typically 10 watt) use, or will it be a strictly > low power Part 15 operation? From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Mar 15 01:09:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 15 Mar 2002 09:09:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 61449 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2002 09:09:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2002 09:09:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2002 09:09:21 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.37]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 04:03:57 -0500 Message-ID: <004801c1cc00$5386e420$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: where's my pix? Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 04:03:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 OMT- The "Hurt your eyes" blue background has got to go. It is just too intense. Maybe a softer blue? or a pale green? CC ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Mar 15 02:46:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 15 Mar 2002 10:46:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 90169 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2002 10:46:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2002 10:46:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.212) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2002 10:46:48 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 02:46:48 -0800 Received: from 209.240.222.130 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:46:48 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@nrcdxas.org Bcc: Subject: re: More good news(re:WTIR-1680) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:46:48 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Mar 2002 10:46:48.0818 (UTC) FILETIME=[B567ED20:01C1CC0E] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.222.130] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 WTIR out of Altamonte Springs,Fl (8.7 miles north of Orlando) operates it's traffic and tourist attraction commercials with 10,000 watts day and 1,000 watts night; a full powered Extended Band Station. When it first came on the air several years ago, I thought what a waste, but looking around the A.M dial anymore, I've changed my mind; they do provide much needed current traffic and weather info the the thousands of tourists in the Orlando area. They got the license (as dill all full power E.B. applicants) with the provision they were going to operate in stereo and like most have never bothered to fulfill that obligation. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Joe Elias posted: >youve never heard the tis station from central florida then,that operates on 1680 khz.i hear it everynite here in south carolina.its been reported to have been heard up into central ohio.......joe - _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From joen3wtv@yahoo.com Fri Mar 15 04:42:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: joen3wtv@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 15 Mar 2002 12:42:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 25861 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2002 12:42:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2002 12:42:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11702.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.68) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2002 12:42:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20020315124200.53198.qmail@web11702.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.155.44.46] by web11702.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 04:42:00 PST Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 04:42:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} re: More good news(re:WTIR-1680) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: joe elias X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=35888484 X-Yahoo-Profile: joen3wtv i thank you for this info.by the commercials they ran i knew they were close to orlando.thanks for the clarification....joe --- Donn Tillman wrote: > > > > WTIR out of Altamonte Springs,Fl (8.7 miles north of > Orlando) operates it's > traffic and tourist attraction commercials with > 10,000 watts day and 1,000 > watts night; a full powered Extended Band Station. > > When it first came on the air several years ago, I > thought what a waste, but > looking around the A.M dial anymore, I've changed my > mind; they do provide > much needed current traffic and weather info the the > thousands of tourists > in the Orlando area. > > They got the license (as dill all full power E.B. > applicants) with the > provision they were going to operate in stereo and > like most have never > bothered to fulfill that obligation. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Joe Elias posted: > > >youve never heard the tis station from central > florida > then,that operates on 1680 khz.i hear it everynite > here in south carolina.its been reported to have > been > heard up into central ohio.......joe > - > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print > your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > ===== +++ PRAY THE ROSARY EVERYDAY +++ +++ O MARY CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN PRAY FOR US WHO HAVE RECOURSE TO THEE+++ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ From jwelton@nautel.com Fri Mar 15 05:44:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 15 Mar 2002 13:44:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 4645 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2002 13:44:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2002 13:44:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserver.nautel.com) (24.222.4.134) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2002 13:44:34 -0000 Received: FROM jeff-welton BY mailserver.nautel.com ; Fri Mar 15 09:45:10 2002 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:44:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Money Talks; Got an Idea! Message-ID: <3C91C26E.3446.32AEFC@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) From: "Jeff Welton" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 Keeping in mind that I don't have any vested interest for or against, I just wanted to clear up a few inaccuracies in this message. I apologize for running on, but I support the message you guys are sending, and want to make certain it's as accurate as possible. > Personally I think this is a load of caca seeing that running and AM, > even a class A clear channel blowtorch is less than half the power > bill and engineer's payroll than your typical 100 kW FM. This is nowhere near true. A 50kW AM transmitter, even solid state, will consume a minimum of 75kVA of electricity - this assumes 84% efficiency and relatively modest processing. Older tube rigs or more heavily processed stations will consume more - depending on transmitter efficiency, it could be as high as 150kVA. The efficiency of solid-state FM's is about the same as tube type at the higher power levels, so we can ignore that, but it's important to remember that an FM system uses a multi-bay antenna and that the most common transmitter output powers for 100kW ERP (effective radiated power) are between 20 and 30 kW. Therefore, your FM station will consume a maximum of about 50kVA of electricity - this assumes 60% efficiency, which is easily achievable with either tube or solid state. Therefore, even the most state of the art AM plant will use more power than the older FM station - and I haven't touched on cooling or air-handling. > radio tech's, most of them are telling me that your typical solid > state FM TX has to be adjusted and serviced quite regularly due to the > high wattage and the overdriven audio processing. AM's are cheap and > relatively low maintenance. Again, this is a fallacy. A solid-state FM transmitter should _NEVER_ need to be adjusted. The wattage, as shown above, is higher in an AM station, and the processing makes absolutely no difference to an FM transmitter or the antenna, as the peak output power doesn't change and the frequency deviation is relatively constant. Actually, solid-state FM's tend to have a lower failure rate and require less service than AM's for several reasons. First, stations tend to budget more money for FM facilities, as they are the revenue generators. This means the FM transmitter is in a clean, air-conditioned building (not always, but more often than AM), while the AM transmitter is in a shack in a pasture or swamp. Again, there are several exceptions, but I've been to a couple of hundred transmitter sites worldwide and this tends to be the rule, especially in North America. Also, as a result of increased budget, FM's tend to have more redundancy and backup systems in place - and we all know a transmitter that has a back-up almost never fails! Secondly, AM transmitters are operating into antennae which are frequently isolated from ground (series fed), or have a higher impedance to ground than to the transmitter (older, poorly maintained unipoles and shunt fed antennas). Therefore, they tend to be more exposed to lightning than FM transmitters (again, this is the norm - there are exceptions). As a result, AM's will tend to see more lightning related failures, resulting in higher maintenance and engineering costs. As an example, measured Mean Time Between Failures on our FM transmitters' amplifier FETs is well over 5,000,000 hrs, whereas on the AM transmitters (I'm including several different generations, using four different FET's), it tends to run closer to 250,000 hrs - in a well laid out transmitter site with proper grounding and lightning protection systems in place. In a poorly laid out site, FM failure rates stay about the same, AM failure rates increase dramatically. Finally, many AM's are directional, which means more towers, more tuning units and phasing to set up - all of which can change from summer to winter, depending on soil conductivity and the quality of the ground system installed. Maintaining a DA can be a real pig, depending on the complexity of the pattern. A cell tower going up 3 miles away can affect the pattern and require retuning of the entire system. With FM's, once the bays are mounted on the tower, that's about it, until a seal fails and something fills with water, or lightning blows a bay off the tower (rare), or a hunter puts a bullet through the coax (less rare!). So antenna maintenance is also less. Again, I don't mean to p#$$ on anybody's cornflakes, I just want to make sure that you have the most accurate data possible in your battle, as the other side uses more than enough disinformation, as it is! Best Regards, Jeff Welton Nautel Customer Service Dept. Tel.: 1-902-823-3900 ext. 127 Fax: 1-902-823-3183 email: jwelton@nautel.com From philipr@irac.pe.ca Fri Mar 15 06:58:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 15 Mar 2002 14:58:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 99737 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2002 14:58:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2002 14:58:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.77) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2002 14:58:37 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.33] by n27.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2002 14:58:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:58:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Seeking Decoder Board Tips Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2354 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Many thanks to Kevin, [you were pretty much bang on about the Realistic -its the 656 I believe which was the follow up to the 655 - the 656 had a high/low tone switch rather than the slide pot tone control - and the 656 uses an IC for the audio amp] and Scott for their suggestions in reponse to my earlier post - I heard AM Stereo last night - personally I'd rather put the decoder in an all in one unit for display/demonstration purposes. I'm getting the impression that it is rather difficult to locate Philips/Magnavox Boomboxes in Canada. Both a search of local stores and of the web reveal nothing. While I probably could order a Phillips from the US online, I wouldn't be able to try it out first. Thus, I would need to know a particular model number that was easily convertible before opting for something without trying it first. So, I'm wondering about other brands. How about converting a JVC boombox? I say this because one of the local Radio Shacks has an old stock JVC Kaboom box [the 12 watt per channel variety, with a blue translucent case] at a very, very tempting price. My wife's basic black JVC boombox has been used a lot since she bought it in 1995 - always working perfectly. It's not super sensitive on AM or FM, but its not bad either. The AM is very stable on it, no weird whistles and oscillations, unlike the analogue Panasonic I gave my Mom last year. Somewhere I had read a while back that analogue tuning is preferable to digital tuning for AM stereo conversion. How true is this? Playing with the little realistic, it was necessary to tune it off station a bit - but maybe that was becase its bandwidth is so narrow - as its intended as a low cost mini dx portable. Most of the decent quality boomboxes seem to use digital tuning - so to go analogue I'd have to get a cheap one. Should I be looking for the best quality analogue boombox I can find, or is digital display OK? Given the apparent lack of availability of Philips/Magnavox on my side of the border, are there any other brands that are better than others? What about AIWA, JVC, Panasonic, Sony etc.? Also, I expect that a rig with a physically large case might be a little easier to work on, more room for somewhat clumsy hands to remove PC boards etc. Thanks to one and all for any help you can give me! Phil From philipr@irac.pe.ca Fri Mar 15 07:09:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 15 Mar 2002 15:09:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 51156 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2002 15:09:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2002 15:09:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.58) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2002 15:09:21 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.168] by n8.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2002 15:09:21 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:09:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: more good news! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002a01c1cb9d$7545d7a0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1263 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Christopher Cuff" wrote: > I have been contacted by the Fairbanks Int. Airport, (Alaska) and they want > to install my AM stereo transmitters in the airport, running 24/7, in German > and English for tourist information. They also want promo radios and are > selling advertising space in the form of logos to put on these radios... > Is this special or what???? > Chris Chris - how much power does the Alfredo put out? If its less than 100mw, could it be upgraded to that magic but legal figure? Probably a mini linear? I'm thinking that one of the best ways to promote AM stereo is get some transmitters out in the world of legal microbroadcasting, some decoder board modified receivers, and show kids of all ages how cool AM stereo is. Sort of a grass roots strategy aimed at the young. Thanks Chris for the decoder board! Nifty little rig - tried hooking it up as an experiment - works great! Now I want to put it in a permanent application. I don't have a boombox yet - thinking of getting one for this mod. I have a post on this. Any additional advice would be most appreciated! Phil P.S. What would be your recommended voltage range for the decoder board? I'm suspecting 6 to 12 volts. From mwradio@gmx.net Fri Mar 15 07:18:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mwradio@gmx.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 15 Mar 2002 15:18:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 50961 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2002 15:18:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2002 15:18:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.dnbsi.com) (207.229.108.169) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2002 15:18:20 -0000 Received: from espositojm2 (0-1pool157-84.nas1.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net [65.128.157.84]) by smtp.dnbsi.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 7589CCF6B for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 07:18:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <008301c1cc34$a260c0a0$06630780@espositojm2> To: Subject: 1160 WCCS Still in Stereo? Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:18:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Joe Esposito" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=93604673 X-Yahoo-Profile: espositojm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know if 1160, WCCS in Indiana, PA is still in Stereo? If no one knows I'll have to check the next time I am back home in western, pa. I looked on their site and they said nothing about being in STEREO. They used to call themselves "1160-WCCS AMazing AM STEREO". They do still have an AC format so I don't know why they would cease their STEREO broadcast? 1250-WQXA in York, PA and 1490-WLPA in Lancaster, PA are no longer broadcasting in AM Stereo. Joe E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmdx@fastq.com Fri Mar 15 07:34:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 15 Mar 2002 15:34:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 93344 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2002 15:34:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2002 15:34:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2002 15:34:36 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d178-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.210]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g2FFYYn60841 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 08:34:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <002901c1cc35$d90e2380$d2f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: Subject: DX tests Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 08:26:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I belong to a radio club that puts on DX tests on the AM band so listeners can hear distant stations that they otherwise never could hear. I understand that this has nothing to do with AM stereo but if anyone is interested in the tests and Kevin Tekel doesn't mind, I will make sure the test schedules are posted here. Kevin Mesa, Arizona I am amazed at radio DJ's today. I am firmly convinced that AM on my radio stands for Absolute Moron. I will not begin to tell you what FM stands for. - Jasper Carrott, English comedian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Mar 15 09:11:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 15 Mar 2002 17:11:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 32495 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2002 17:11:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2002 17:11:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO host.warwick.net) (204.255.24.254) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2002 17:11:51 -0000 Received: from chris (qelapsvc.florida.ul.warwick.net [208.228.96.20]) by host.warwick.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2FHBn0474940 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:11:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001901c1cc44$6e96bee0$0501a8c0@warwick.net> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: more good news! Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:11:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 With the regulator IC I put on these now, the decoders can take from 5 to 28 volts input no problem at all. As for transmitters, I am making 10 right now, and thats going to be the end of the run (unless I have more boards made- then find more of the SA602 IC's...Have to wait and see what pans out) (Five of these are spoken for- so if anyone is "thinking" about one, let me know now!) cc ----- Original Message ----- From: "tubesareking" To From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Mar 15 10:58:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 15 Mar 2002 18:58:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 8728 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2002 18:58:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2002 18:58:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.60) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2002 18:58:00 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.38] by n10.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2002 18:57:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 18:57:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Good news from WFAN! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 528 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.198 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics 660 WFAN has been in Mono since Monday and I started to get a bit worried so I just called them up a few minutes ago. I didn't catch his name, but the gentleman on the phone at WFAN said that their current lack of Stereo is because they are working on their transmitter and antenna equipment, as I suspected. He said that this will continue for about two weeks, and that when the work is finished, 660 WFAN will "DEFINITELY" be back in full AM Stereo. So, kudos to WFAN for their committment to AM Stereo broadcasting! From MHAW2001@AOL.COM Fri Mar 15 12:20:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Mhaw2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@egroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 15 Mar 2002 20:20:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 73564 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2002 20:20:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2002 20:20:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.7) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2002 20:20:27 -0000 Received: from Mhaw2001@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 5.74.19aab51e (4447) for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:20:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <74.19aab51e.29c3b184@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:20:20 EST Subject: Some more stations! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows CA sub 12021 From: MHAW2001@AOL.COM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I got an e-mail from KFXX Seattle. They will not be converting to Stereo BUT the same signal is simulcast on 1390-KSLM Salem! WMEL-920 Melbourne FL is also confirmed as stereo! Thanks, Matt Hawthorne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From MHAW2001@AOL.COM Fri Mar 15 12:28:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Mhaw2001@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@egroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 15 Mar 2002 20:28:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 94854 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2002 20:28:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2002 20:28:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2002 20:28:38 -0000 Received: from Mhaw2001@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id a.150.a7cf046 (4447) for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:28:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <150.a7cf046.29c3b371@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:28:33 EST Subject: Questionable station status? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows CA sub 12021 From: MHAW2001@AOL.COM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can anybody confirm any of the stations listed below? Any help would be much appriciated. Thanks, Matt Hawthorne AL Cullman 1460 WFMH Southern Gospel USA AL Florence 1340 WSBM Adult R&B USA AL Fort Payne 1400 WFPA Oldies USA AL Guntersville 1270 WGSV News/Talk USA AL Hartselle 890 WYAM Variety USA AL Mobile 900 WGOK Black Gospel USA AL Monroeville 930 WYNI Talk USA CA Long Beach 1280 KFRN Religious USA CA Oakhurst 1090 KTNS Adult Standards USA CA Pasadena 1300 KAZN Chinese USA CA San Diego 1040 KURS Spanish USA CA San Gabriel 1430 KMRB Chinese USA CA San Rafael 1510 KJQI Classical USA CO Denver 850 KOA News/Talk USA CO Lakewood 1600 KCKK Classic Country USA FL Marco Island 1480 WODX Adult Standards USA IN North Vernon 1460 WNVI Adult Standards USA MI Lansing 1240 WJIM News/Talk USA MI Shepherd 830 WMMI News/Talk USA MN Minneapolis 770 KUOM Alternative USA NJ Elizabeth 1530 WJDM Ethnic USA NJ Newark 1430 WNSW Korean USA NY Islip 540 WLUX Adult Standards USA NY Merrick 1240 WGBB USA NY New York 1480 WZRC Chinese USA NY New York 1600 WWRL R&B Oldies USA PA Cannonsburg 540 WWCS Radio Disney USA PA Levittown 1490 WBCB Variety USA PA Philadelphia 900 WURD News/Variety USA TN Donelson 1160 WAMB Adult Standards USA PA 1390 WLAN ?? USA UT Brigham City 1660 KXOL Oldies USA VT Burlington 620 WVMT News/Talk USA WI Hallie 680 WOGO Contemporary Christian USA WY Spencer 1400 WVRC Country [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Mar 15 12:35:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 15 Mar 2002 20:35:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 73467 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2002 20:35:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2002 20:35:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.73) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2002 20:35:04 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.32] by n23.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2002 20:34:39 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 20:34:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: DX tests Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002901c1cc35$d90e2380$d2f9bed8@kredding430cdt> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1476 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.198 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I belong to a radio club that puts on DX tests on the AM band so > listeners can hear distant stations that they otherwise never could > hear. > I understand that this has nothing to do with AM stereo but if > anyone is interested in the tests and Kevin Tekel doesn't mind, I > will make sure the test schedules are posted here. Sure, it would be great to have DX Test reports here. You never know if any of these test stations may either be AM Stereo stations nobody knew about before, or formerly-Stereo stations that decide to "test" the Stereo exciter along with the DX test! BTW, somewhat related to DX tests, I have word that 880 WCBS in New York City will be off the air early this Saturday morning (March 16th) from 1:00 to 5:00 AM (EST) for "transmitter work". Since they share a tower and diplexor with 660 WFAN, this may also mean that WFAN will also be off the air during this time. This will give people in the Northeast USA a good chance to catch some DX on 650-670 and 870-890 kHz! Also, last night I noticed what appeared to be a steady AM Stereo pilot coming from the French Canadian station 690 CBF from Montreal. I assume this was "falsing" and CBF was not actually transmitting a Stereo signal, but who could it have been from? It did not have any of the typical "fluttering" sound of falsing caused by a beat tone between two off-frequency stations, so I think it had to be coming from some actual AM Stereo station on 690 kHz. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Mar 15 12:41:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 15 Mar 2002 20:41:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 96009 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2002 20:41:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2002 20:41:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.70) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2002 20:41:44 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.134] by n20.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2002 20:26:10 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 20:41:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Some more stations! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <74.19aab51e.29c3b184@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 448 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.198 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I got an e-mail from KFXX Seattle. They will not be converting to > Stereo BUT the same signal is simulcast on 1390-KSLM Salem! KSLM is owned by Entercom, a company known to be supportive of AM Stereo, so it is therefore logical that they are in Stereo. Perhaps we should contact Entercom and ask if they can provide a list of all of their stations that are in AM Stereo? Like KSLM there may be a few that we have omitted from our lists. From philipr@irac.pe.ca Fri Mar 15 13:00:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 15 Mar 2002 21:00:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 41598 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2002 21:00:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2002 21:00:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.58) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2002 21:00:32 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.112] by n8.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2002 21:00:32 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 21:00:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: DX tests Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3272 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > > I belong to a radio club that puts on DX tests on the AM band so > > listeners can hear distant stations that they otherwise never could > > hear. > > I understand that this has nothing to do with AM stereo but if > > anyone is interested in the tests and Kevin Tekel doesn't mind, I > > will make sure the test schedules are posted here. > > Sure, it would be great to have DX Test reports here. You never know > if any of these test stations may either be AM Stereo stations nobody > knew about before, or formerly-Stereo stations that decide to "test" > the Stereo exciter along with the DX test! > > BTW, somewhat related to DX tests, I have word that 880 WCBS in New > York City will be off the air early this Saturday morning (March 16th) > from 1:00 to 5:00 AM (EST) for "transmitter work". Since they share a > tower and diplexor with 660 WFAN, this may also mean that WFAN will > also be off the air during this time. This will give people in the > Northeast USA a good chance to catch some DX on 650-670 and 870- 890 > kHz! > > Also, last night I noticed what appeared to be a steady AM Stereo > pilot coming from the French Canadian station 690 CBF from Montreal. > I assume this was "falsing" and CBF was not actually transmitting a > Stereo signal, but who could it have been from? It did not have any > of the typical "fluttering" sound of falsing caused by a beat tone > between two off-frequency stations, so I think it had to be coming > from some actual AM Stereo station on 690 kHz. I may be able to shed some light on the 690 khz mystery. I checked the CRTC website - in the late 90's the CRTC approved an application by CKVL Verdun Quebec to move to the old 690 spot long held by CBF. A previous application by CKVL was denied for this. This was because of the CBC's longstanding and ever evolving conversion from AM to FM. At the time, CKVL was all news. It's always possible they have changed format - I'll have to listen as they come in great at night. Or, maybe they realize that talk radio can really benefit from AM Stereo - especially for interviews - as well as commercials [makes the commercials stand out - which if you want to make money in radio is a good thing - as Martha would say]. Maybe they decided to go stereo. Certainly the CBC was never interested , as Radio 1 nationwide is still in mono on the FM band. The only high power CBC AM facility left that I'm aware of is CBA Moncton - 50kw on 1070. I believe the rationale for this is that the wickedly powerful groundwave thanks to the Tantramar Marshes [salt marsh]gives a great signal to fishers [men and women]in eastern Canada. My understanding is that these CBC clear channel transfers to private Canadian stations involve not only a transfer of the freq. but also the sale of the transmitting plant. With the heoight of some of those old CBC clear channel towers, a pretty sweet [in some cases 5/8 th!] wavelength of a deal! Come to think of it, when I was experimenting with the decoder board earlier this week, I got a pilot on 690 - just assumed it was falsing. Now, maybe someone has a good idea and is firing up a CQUAM exciter! From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Mar 15 13:16:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 15 Mar 2002 21:16:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 79133 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2002 21:16:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2002 21:16:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2002 21:16:39 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.126]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:11:18 -0500 Message-ID: <001901c1cc65$ee368c40$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: DX tests Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:11:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I also heard about WCBS- they were mentioning it a lot today on the air- didn't know WFAN was gonna be off too- COOL! I can try for KRVN again- only got them once before. Another bit of interesting news- a Clear Channel station has contacted me and has said that if I can convince them, they will turn back on the stereo! (I have been working on this one) NO hints on who it is- not even privately. Not yet. CC ----- Original Message ----- From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Mar 15 13:21:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 15 Mar 2002 21:21:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 80118 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2002 21:21:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2002 21:21:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2002 21:21:13 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.126]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:15:52 -0500 Message-ID: <001f01c1cc66$91724480$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: Subject: transmitters Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:15:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 An update- I got in the oscillators for 1197 "The Switch", and an oscillator for 1550 for Joe's transmitter. I have never tried these, and I am psyched ! If they work, and no reason to doubt they wont, it will mean Alfredo lites can be on ANY freq, for a measly $6.50 each time you want to change. Of course, these are powered, self-contained TTL oscillators, so I may have to pad the output a little, but hey, ya can't win if ya don't play! CC From jsgil@hal-pc.org Fri Mar 15 13:50:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 15 Mar 2002 21:50:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 73926 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2002 21:50:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2002 21:50:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.84) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2002 21:50:36 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.175] by n34.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2002 21:50:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 21:50:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Transmitter Electricity Usage Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2180 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst I made a comment awhile back that AM stations had a cheaper bill that FM ones. I refered to 5KW ones as most of the licenses are for this power. As Jeff said earlier FM stations don't consume the amount of power necessary to accomplish 100KW ERP but more on the range of 20-30KW. There are a couple of reasons for this. FM transmitters can be designed around a class C type amplifier with a less than 50% duty cycle where the output is a square wave so there is little wasted energy in the form of heat generated from the outputs. This is the most effecient amp design but it is rich in harmonics that must be filtered. These types of amps can only be used where there is no signal on the envelope but all information is conveyed via angular modulation. Directional antennas are used since skywave is useless at these frequencies so there's no advantage to broadcasting into the atmosphere plus a very high mounted antenna will increases coverage area. Antennas can be physically smaller for the same effeciency because of frequency. AM amps are linear type amps and the most common are AB push- pull. These on average are about 50% effecient. This is the type that is used in the older transmitters both tube and solid state and also for micropower transmitters like the Alfredo. Now I have heard of using class D amps for AM as these are more effecient. These output a square wave and vary the duty cycle which varies the amplitude using PWM. These have the same benefit as class C in the sense that little energy is wasted in the form of heat. Jeff gave a figure of 84% effeciency and these must be the newer models. This seems high for a class AB and almost sounds like a class D. It was reported to me from an old ham that 740 KTRH in my area was using a class D transmitter but I haven't confirmed this so I don't know if class D is actually used in commercial AM broadcasting or not. Most of this is based on what is used for ham transmitters which are low power compared to commercial broadcasting so things may be done differently. Jeff feel free correct or add to this and what is the latest technology in transmitter equiment as far as amplifier type. JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Mar 15 14:14:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 15 Mar 2002 22:14:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 90901 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2002 22:14:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2002 22:14:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.55) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2002 22:14:07 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.88] by n5.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2002 22:14:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 22:14:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: DX tests Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001901c1cc65$ee368c40$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 485 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.198 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Another bit of interesting news- a Clear Channel station has > contacted me and has said that if I can convince them, they will > turn back on the stereo! > (I have been working on this one) NO hints on who it is- not even > privately. What kind of "convincing" are they looking for? Availability of receivers? Sound quality? Reception quality? p.s. Is Fanfare EVER going to produce the FTA-100 AM Stereo receiver? They've been talking about it since 1998... 5 years ago!! From rjskadl@yahoo.com Fri Mar 15 15:31:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 15 Mar 2002 23:31:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 14733 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2002 23:31:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2002 23:31:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.53) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2002 23:31:40 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.181] by n3.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2002 23:31:39 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 23:31:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Test Message on 1680 Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 907 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl The last few nights on 1680 I have been picking up a man's voice repeatedly saying "This is Test Message number three, Test Message number three." There is some kind of weird sound in the background behind his voice. It almost sounds like the sound effect they used in Star Trek when they would have Scotty beam them up. Once the test message is over there is about two seconds of silence and then the short test message begins again with the strange sound underneath it. There is also a constant low pitch tone, maybe around 100 Hz or so that lingers on forever. Two nights ago All I heard was this test message. Last night this station had some competition from others. Is this Test message possibly coming from the Travelers' Info station in Florida, or do you think someone else is testing? I have not heard any call letters, just the never ending cycle of this test message #3. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Mar 15 15:50:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 15 Mar 2002 23:50:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 18600 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2002 23:50:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2002 23:50:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.54) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2002 23:50:44 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.175] by n4.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2002 23:50:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 23:50:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Test Message on 1680 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 434 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.198 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The last few nights on 1680 I have been picking up a man's voice > repeatedly saying "This is Test Message number three, Test Message > number three." Most likely a new TIS info station. These are popping up all over the Expanded Band. I have one about 10 miles from my house on 1640 kHz running nothing but a repeating message "You are listening to the notification system of Middlesex, New Jersey, 1640 on your AM dial." From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Mar 15 15:56:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 15 Mar 2002 23:56:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 11613 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2002 23:56:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2002 23:56:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2002 23:56:47 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-226.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.226]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2FNuk0I002548 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:56:47 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000d01c1cc7d$51816f60$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020313181808.26970.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS gear offer from a seller: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:58:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Let me guess- this is the same Dale who runs a used equipment business out of Canada. A lot of his stuff is overpriced and he's a hard one to deal with. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Johnny Electron > Guys, I'm not having any luck getting a decent price on AMS goodies: > here's the latest offer that I received (any takers?) From rjskadl@yahoo.com Fri Mar 15 16:09:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 16 Mar 2002 00:09:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 69797 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2002 00:09:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2002 00:09:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.58) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2002 00:09:43 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.180] by n8.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2002 00:09:43 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 00:09:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Questionable station status? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <150.a7cf046.29c3b371@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2829 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl --- In amstereoforum@y..., MHAW2001@A... wrote: > I can confirm the Long Island New York Stations for you. 540 WLUX ISLIP Adult Standards: Not Stereo, But Stereo is expected back soon. WLUX is gearing up for a power increse from 250 watts to 500 watts, possibly 1kwatt and a new two tower directional pattern. 1240 WGBB Freeport(not Merrick) Chinese/Brokered/Gospel: Is NOT STEREO. WGBB never was stereo and probably never will be either. They are running an old Gates 5 Tx over there. Their Studio facility is wired up for mono. Now here are some you didn't ask about, But I'll tell you anyway. 1100 WHLI Hempstead Adult Standards: NOT STEREO. I can confirm that WHLI has not been stereo in the 8 years that I have had an AM Stereo Radio. Maybe they were before that, but I doubt that. Anyhow, they just moved their studios last month anyway, and there is no plan to go stereo at this time. I keep seeing WHLI on the list of AM Stereo stations and that is just not the case. WHLI doesn't even put out a pilot. 1580 WLIM Patchogue Polish: This station used to be the once great Nostalgia station playing all your favorites at the "Top of your AM Stereo Dial" When Polnet came in with their low quality mono feed from Chicago, Stereophonic broadcasting became pointless at WLIM. WLIM turned their Pilot off early in the fall of 2001. 740 WGSM Huntington Korean: This station had been AM stereo for many years. It was last stereo while it simulcast country 94.3 WMJC (which is also history now btw). In 1998 WGSM picked up Radio Disney and shut the stereo off for good. We were hoping that when K Communications bought WGSM that they would have turned the stereo back on, but unfortunately the events at WGSM played out just the same as they did at WLIM with Polnet. The only difference is that at least 'Radio Korea NY' is located close by in New York City. To make a long Story short, Long Island currently does not have any AM Stereo stations. Lets keep our fingers crossed and hope that WLUX comes back on line in stereo soon. There is a slight possibility that one or two others might go to stereo as well, but lets not hold our breath. So for now we will just have to tune in WREF, WICC and WGCH from CT. and WFAN from NYC to hear AM Stereo. P.S. WWRL isn't in stereo now, and Dont expect that to change. > Can anybody confirm any of the stations listed below? Any help would be much > appriciated. > > Thanks, > Matt Hawthorne > > USA NJ Elizabeth 1530 WJDM Ethnic > USA NJ Newark 1430 WNSW Korean > USA NY Islip 540 WLUX Adult Standards > USA NY Merrick 1240 WGBB > USA NY New York 1480 WZRC Chinese > USA NY New York 1600 WWRL R&B Oldies > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Mar 15 16:27:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 16 Mar 2002 00:27:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 23753 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2002 00:27:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2002 00:27:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.124) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2002 00:27:14 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:27:14 -0800 Received: from 209.240.222.130 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 00:27:14 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@nrcdxas.org Bcc: Subject: WTIR - Orlando (2nd attempt to post) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 00:27:14 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Mar 2002 00:27:14.0963 (UTC) FILETIME=[52798E30:01C1CC81] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.222.130] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am trying to send this again; plain text again as I did the first time. I guess Yahoo really does need the weekend for maintenance, since their=20 system can't seem to distinguish from html and plain text. ----Original Message Follows---- From: Yahoo! Groups To: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Subject: Unable to deliver your message Date: 15 Mar 2002 13:14:56 -0000 We are unable to deliver the message from to . You can only send plain text messages to this group. HTML or other formats are not allowed. For further assistance, please email support@yahoogroups.com or visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/ _________________________________________________________________ Join the world=92s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail.=20 http://www.hotmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Mar 15 16:34:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 16 Mar 2002 00:34:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 98519 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2002 00:34:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2002 00:34:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2002 00:34:54 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-226.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.226]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2G0Yq0I007724 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 18:34:53 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <002b01c1cc82$a443b500$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020314002759.89628.qmail@web21412.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Any Kahn stereo stations still out there? Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 18:36:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude That would be hard to tell, but considering that two stations could be off frequency enough to create a low freq. heterodyne that could mimic a pilot is probably the most logical explanation. The second signal doesn't necessarily need to be loud enough to be heard. I had an engineer at WCCO (offender) tell me that signals of 400:1 ratio can cause audible heterodynes, especially if they're a few KHz apart. They had had a problem with Radio Belize in the late 70s, early 80s. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt Hawthorne > I have seen > quite a few stations light up but with mono sound. From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Mar 15 17:11:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 16 Mar 2002 01:11:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 58185 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2002 01:11:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2002 01:11:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2002 01:11:46 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-226.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.226]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2G1Bj0I012333 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 19:11:46 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <007601c1cc87$cb6aa620$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Money Talks; Got an Idea! Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 19:13:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude ----- Original Message ----- From: i2thesky2001 >Some say that mainting a stereo link between studio and TX is > twice as expensive as mono. Depending upon what you've got for an STL, this is often the case. If you use equalized land lines it definitely is. If you use 950MHz STL, then it also would be for discrete channels, but lower for composite, which is very similar to a normal FMS signal since it would only require one set of TX/RX pairs and dishes rather than two of each. If they're using a full T-1, then there is no savings by being mono. >Some even go to the extreme > to point out that running a stereo feed in their computer digital > library takes up more hard drive space, more RAM and therefore more > expensive. This is absolutely true. > even a class A clear channel blowtorch is less than half the power > bill and engineer's payroll than your typical 100 kW FM. Engineering 101: the 100kW of an FM signal is derived from the transmitter power output, minus any line loss, times the gain of the antenna. Typical FM transmitter power is 20-35kW, actually LESS than a 50kW AM. > > So here is my solution. Give these cheapo's some new or used > equippment and install the parts for free, and maitain them for free! That's a good idea- very much like what Michael J. Richard did at KMER. Scott Todd From jsgil@hal-pc.org Fri Mar 15 17:20:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 16 Mar 2002 01:20:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 5874 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2002 01:20:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2002 01:20:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.72) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2002 01:20:04 -0000 Received: from [216.115.97.83] by n22.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2002 01:19:59 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 01:19:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Any Kahn stereo stations still out there? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002b01c1cc82$a443b500$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1296 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.182 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Scott Todd" wrote: > That would be hard to tell, but considering that two stations could be off > frequency enough to create a low freq. heterodyne that could mimic a pilot > is probably the most logical explanation. The second signal doesn't > necessarily need to be loud enough to be heard. I had an engineer at WCCO > (offender) tell me that signals of 400:1 ratio can cause audible > heterodynes, especially if they're a few KHz apart. They had had a problem > with Radio Belize in the late 70s, early 80s. > > Scott Todd There's nothing I hate more than that co-channel beat that causes the AGC to track it resulting in rapid up and down volume. This can also cause signifigant platform motion if the interference is strong enough. I like the idea of purposly offsetting the center frequency by 15 Hz or so to combat some of this. I think someone said that it was Crawford who did this. I don't know how feasable this would be but I would be nice if this could be done for all stations based on interfence patterns where some would remain at 0 Hz some would be +18 Hz and others would be -18 Hz. I chose 18 Hz so the total would be 36 Hz far enough away from the 25 Hz pilot but still within what I think is the FCC limits of +/- 20 Hz. JSG From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Mar 15 17:35:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 16 Mar 2002 01:35:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 33145 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2002 01:35:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2002 01:35:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2002 01:35:21 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-226.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.226]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2G1ZK0I015411 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 19:35:21 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00bc01c1cc8b$16f28ec0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <150.a7cf046.29c3b371@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Questionable station status? Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 19:37:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude ----- Original Message ----- From: > USA MN Minneapolis 770 KUOM Alternative Still mono pending a rebuild of their antenna tuning unit. Engineer LIKES AMS A LOT, but it will likely be late summer before it happens. > USA WI Hallie 680 WOGO Contemporary Christian Gone mono- mostly talk during the week. Some music on weekends. I somewhat know the CE there; I should see if I can get the AMS gear from them. Scott Todd From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Mar 15 17:53:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 16 Mar 2002 01:53:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 55070 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2002 01:53:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2002 01:53:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2002 01:53:57 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-226.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.226]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2G1ru0I017524 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 19:53:57 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00f801c1cc8d$affe05c0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Transmitter Electricity Usage Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 19:55:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude ----- Original Message ----- From: jsgilst > > AM amps are linear type amps and the most common are AB push- > pull. These on average are about 50% effecient. BZZZZT! Nope. Up until the wide acceptance of Pulse Duration Modulation, most had class C RF amps being modulated by a class B modulator. Class AB is more like 30% efficient. Older rigs (pre WW2) generally were low level modulated with class B RF amplification to full carrier power. > Jeff gave a figure of 84% effeciency and these must be the newer > models. This seems high for a class AB and almost sounds like a > class D. Actually class E, which is a bit of a refinement of class D. Most AM rigs are polyphase PDM. I think Mr. Welton would be better able to explain the difference between the original PDM and the polyphase version. Scott Todd From jsgil@hal-pc.org Fri Mar 15 18:33:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 16 Mar 2002 02:33:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 44126 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2002 02:33:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2002 02:33:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.84) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2002 02:33:23 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.164] by n34.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2002 02:33:23 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 02:33:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Transmitter Electricity Usage Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00f801c1cc8d$affe05c0$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1360 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.130.25 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Scott Todd" wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jsgilst > > > > AM amps are linear type amps and the most common are AB push- > > pull. These on average are about 50% effecient. > > BZZZZT! Nope. Up until the wide acceptance of Pulse Duration Modulation, > most had class C RF amps being modulated by a class B modulator. Class AB > is more like 30% efficient. Older rigs (pre WW2) generally were low level > modulated with class B RF amplification to full carrier power. > > > Jeff gave a figure of 84% effeciency and these must be the newer > > models. This seems high for a class AB and almost sounds like a > > class D. > > Actually class E, which is a bit of a refinement of class D. Most AM rigs > are polyphase PDM. I think Mr. Welton would be better able to explain the > difference between the original PDM and the polyphase version. > > Scott Todd Yea I'm not sure of what is out there as far as commercial transmitters as this was based from a ham radio perspective but which may apply to micropower transmitters though. A far as polyphase goes I think it refers to using miltiple square waves that are phased in such a way as to null out the harmonics from PDM. For instance if 4 square waves are phased just right you can null out the 3rd & 5th harmonics. JSG From rfinder@telusplanet.net Fri Mar 15 18:53:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rfinder@telusplanet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 16 Mar 2002 02:53:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 47765 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2002 02:53:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2002 02:53:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.61) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2002 02:53:31 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.136] by n11.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2002 02:53:31 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 02:53:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Money Talks; Got an Idea! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3C91C26E.3446.32AEFC@localhost> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1350 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "i2thesky2001" X-Originating-IP: 142.59.49.245 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Ok. So straying from the points of my albeit uneducated but idealistc veiws is showing incredible solidarity and proactive thinking. Yeah right. I'm sorry but the problem with some of you engineers is that you have a bad case of detailitis. I'll admit that i'm not actively involved in the business of radio, in fact i've never worked in a radio station or have a degree in electronics, and I was only quoting and reflecting what other people in the industry have told me and from what I've read in these posts. Some of you are really quick to jump in and correct me with your vast knowledge of broadcast engineering i.e. am transmitter power usage, fm transmitter maintenance, ect. But that is demonstrating the same kind of narrow-mindedness that killed AM stereo in the first place. Who cares if what I said was mabey false, I'm sorry for my lack of education, but how about jumping in and giving more positive and proative ideas to this thread! The whole idea behind this chat forum is about how we appreciate the sound quality of AM stereo and what we could do to promote it and save it from extinction, which by following how many stations revert back to mono each year, sounds like the technology will be dead in less than 5 years. Come on guys, be visionary, lets not waste time by getting bogged down in tehnicalities. From narkspud@hotmail.com Fri Mar 15 18:59:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 16 Mar 2002 02:59:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 5954 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2002 02:59:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2002 02:59:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.176) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2002 02:59:51 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 18:59:51 -0800 Received: from 67.224.17.232 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 02:59:51 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Questionable station status? Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 18:59:51 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Mar 2002 02:59:51.0548 (UTC) FILETIME=[A4398BC0:01C1CC96] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.224.17.232] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud >USA CA Long Beach 1280 KFRN Religious No stereo, no pilot. narkspud _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From KC4QLP@aol.com Fri Mar 15 20:22:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 16 Mar 2002 04:22:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 15278 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2002 04:22:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2002 04:22:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2002 04:22:29 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.d4.145ec024 (4329) for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 23:22:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 23:22:21 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Money Talks; Got an Idea! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 3/15/02 9:54:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, rfinder@telusplanet.net writes: << Some of you are really quick to jump in and correct me with your vast knowledge of broadcast engineering i.e. am transmitter power usage, fm transmitter maintenance, ect. But that is demonstrating the same kind of narrow-mindedness that killed AM stereo in the first place. Who cares if what I said was mabey false, I'm sorry for my lack of education, but how about jumping in and giving more positive and proative ideas to this thread!>> Ahhh...I thought I was adding proactive and realistic ideas...... As far as knowledge...I hate seeing people being lead down the wrong road as some of these "engineers" that you have heard of from various places give information..vast amounts of it, sit behind desk of a large corporations...and they have assistants do their work and then the cheif engineer takes the credit for it.Of course no one here on this list is like that....nobody here works for a corporation that owns stations in almost every major market in the USA and around the world. Radio is a dog eat dog back stabing business. My comments werent meant to criticize..it was meant to give you a wider picture of the business and what may work or may not work very well...after all this list is about exchange of ideas and information. <<>> I doubt that it will be dead...of course the talk of the dreaded digital garbage coming up wont help,but it could mean a possible up rising of AM Stereo when IBOC is proven to be a worthless hurtful cause to radio in general <<>> Visionary..Yes!...visions are the starting of plans that then turn into actions,..but at the same time we must look at our visions and see if they are realistic. The non-profit organization idea is a good one......but it will take a lot of time and money..and some fine tuning in order to make it work. Know of anyone with deep pockets?.....wish I did. Keep those ideas coming! Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! 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I refered to 5KW ones as most of the licenses are for this power. As Jeff said earlier FM stations don't consume the amount of power necessary to accomplish 100KW ERP but more on the range of 20-30KW. There are a couple of reasons for this >> Certainly true!...however if an AM station can manage the switch from tube type transmitters to solid state..the efficiency of the solid state rig is much better..in the order of 80 to 90+ efficient. Much much better than the older gear. Only one draw back to newer transmitters....it just doesnt sound as full as the older transmitters. Real radios and radio transmitters glow in the dark Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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Please do NOT send or reply to any messages on this mailing list until you verify the Yahoo Groups system is working again by visiting http://groups.yahoo.com ! Please do not clog up the system with messages during its down-time as that will lead to back-log delays when it does start working again. For those of you who wish to continue discussion of AM Stereo during the Yahoo Groups down-time this weekend, please visit the temporary message board I have set up on EZBoard: http://pub61.ezboard.com/bamstereo Signing up for EZBoard is free and easy. I hope to see at least some of you there! From KC4QLP@aol.com Fri Mar 15 21:02:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 16 Mar 2002 05:02:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 65363 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2002 05:02:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2002 05:02:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2002 05:02:28 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.11c.dedd800 (4329) for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 00:02:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <11c.dedd800.29c42bde@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 00:02:22 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Important Notice To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 3/15/02 11:55:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, kevtronics@yahoo.com writes: << In just a few minutes, the Yahoo Groups service will be shut down for system maintenance, which Yahoo claims will last until some time Sunday morning (U.S. time). >> Sounds like it is going to be an interesting weekend.......wonder what yahoo is messing up this time. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! 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They were both nice little DX machines in their day. Very sensitive and selective but not the right stuff for stereo. > I'm getting the impression that it is rather difficult to locate > Philips/Magnavox Boomboxes in Canada. See if you can find a Sony CFS-22 or equivalent. That would work as well. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Mar 17 08:05:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 17 Mar 2002 16:05:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 57774 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2002 16:05:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2002 16:05:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.53) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2002 16:05:47 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 09:51:47 -0800 Received: from 209.240.222.130 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 17:51:46 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Fwd: [amstereo] The Stereo AM List Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 17:51:46 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Mar 2002 17:51:47.0435 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E2DDBB0:01C1CD13] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.222.130] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Now I am more confused than ever, is this an automated message written before Dennis ask to cancel the cancellation of this group or does this mean the IAAAS list is being cancelled for real? donn, crossing my fingers again ----Original Message Follows---- From: Postmaster Reply-To: amstereo@nrcdxas.org To: amstereo@nrcdxas.org Subject: [amstereo] The Stereo AM List Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 12:16:57 -0500 Gentlemen: Recently there has been some disagreement in the AM Stereo list. The moderator of this list, (who requested the list on the server, and agreed to the terms of it's use), has indicated that he would like the list terminated. After announcement of the list's termination, several "list members" have asked that the termination be postponed or reconsidered. I am not a participant in the AMSTEREO list. I unsubscribed a long time ago. I don't know what happened, or why it happened. This list has no relationship with the National Radio Club, (except for the fact that the club was gracious enough to provide the list and website hosting at no charge), and there have been people trying to drag the club into the altercation. I know that the club is not happy with it. The list will be terminated today. Fred Vobbe postmaster@nrcdxas.org _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun Mar 17 08:15:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 17 Mar 2002 16:15:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 76943 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2002 16:15:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2002 16:15:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2002 16:15:45 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d24-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.56]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g2HGCbn99535 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 09:12:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <00ce01c1cdce$7481b860$38f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: The EXTINCT Stereo AM List Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 09:11:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 > Now I am more confused than ever, is this an automated message written > before Dennis ask to cancel the cancellation of this group or does this mean > the IAAAS list is being cancelled for real? Donn, The AM stereo list has ceased to exist. Fred Vobbe pulled the plug on the list and it is now history and has a sad ending. I would like to say much about this but the mail list is not the time nor the place to go on a big rant. Just be glad its gone and carry on with the work at hand. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From KC4QLP@aol.com Sun Mar 17 12:55:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 17 Mar 2002 20:55:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 92491 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2002 20:55:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2002 20:55:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m10.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.165) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2002 20:55:52 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 8.124.d74786d (3973) for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 15:55:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <124.d74786d.29c65cd5@aol.com> Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 15:55:49 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Money Talks; Got an Idea! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp eBay item 1713448755 (Ends Mar-20-02 23:06:36 PST ) - Radio Station For Sale Ok folks...here is a start to converting stations to stereo. Buy IT! ,..and yes there is a radio station {as real as it seems } on Ebay for sale. Its only $250,000! anyone have change for a twenty? Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! 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(I have been working on this one) NO hints on who it is- not even privately. Not yet. CC >> I've always said..stranger things have happened....Good luck and hope this is a domino effect with Clear Channel in regards to turning the pilots back on. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! 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Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Mar 17 13:54:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 17 Mar 2002 21:54:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 62156 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2002 21:54:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2002 21:54:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2002 21:54:08 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.136]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 16:48:35 -0500 Message-ID: <001401c1cdfd$7ed9afa0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: DX tests Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 16:48:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 When you think about it, CCC is all about the money. They already HAVE the equipment- why on earth would they spend all the coin to upgrade to an "unproven" format? If we can all keep going, and the angels smile on us, it just might happen... Sure, I-Blech may come in, but they can't sunset every station around - not for a long time. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 3:55 PM > I've always said..stranger things have happened....Good luck and hope this is > a domino effect with Clear Channel in regards to turning the pilots back on. > > Bob Carter From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun Mar 17 17:46:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 18 Mar 2002 01:46:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 12063 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2002 01:46:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2002 01:46:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2002 01:46:43 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d47-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.79]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g2I1kfn06227 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 18:46:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <003b01c1ce1e$7e424ea0$4ff9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <001401c1cdfd$7ed9afa0$0101a8c0@pavilion> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: DX tests Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 18:44:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 > Sure, I-Blech may come in, but they can't sunset every station around - not > for a long time. It will be 20 years before IBOC is fully implemented. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Mar 17 19:18:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 18 Mar 2002 03:18:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 91310 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2002 03:18:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2002 03:18:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2002 03:18:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2002 03:18:08 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 03:18:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: DX tests Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003b01c1ce1e$7e424ea0$4ff9bed8@kredding430cdt> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 557 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 128.6.171.67 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > It will be 20 years before IBOC is fully implemented. I've subscribed to various electronics/amateur radio magazines for a long time, and even way back in _1993_, people were saying with confidence that IBOC DAB was "just around the corner" and would be "ready by next year". Not too surprisingly, people have been saying that ever since... the latest prediction was that IBOC would be in full force by the Spring of 2001.... then the Spring of 2002.... Okay, there may be 2 or 3 stations testing IBOC right now, but that is hardly "full force"! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Mar 17 19:29:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 18 Mar 2002 03:29:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 88742 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2002 03:29:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2002 03:29:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2002 03:29:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2002 03:29:14 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 03:29:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: DX tests Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001401c1cdfd$7ed9afa0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 893 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 128.6.171.67 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > When you think about it, CCC is all about the money. They already > HAVE the equipment- why on earth would they spend all the coin to > upgrade to an "unproven" format? > If we can all keep going, and the angels smile on us, it just might > happen... Just a little note to everybody here.... one member of this Forum is, or at least used to be, an engineer for two Clear Channel stations... this person may or may not want to speak up about it, but just keep that in mind. No, I am not going to forbid saying anything negative about Clear Channel here, as they clearly had been detrimental to our cause with their trend of turning off the AM Stereo at the majority of their stations, but just as there *are* Clear Channel stations broadcasting in AM Stereo (including 920 WOKY, 960 KABL, and 1670 WRNC), there *are* people in the corporation who do support the idea of AM Stereo. From mwradio@gmx.net Sun Mar 17 19:42:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mwradio@gmx.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 18 Mar 2002 03:42:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 31583 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2002 03:42:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2002 03:42:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.dnbsi.com) (207.229.108.169) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2002 03:42:50 -0000 Received: from win98xpo466jp2 (0-1pool157-30.nas1.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net [65.128.157.30]) by smtp.dnbsi.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3751ECE20 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 19:42:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <004401c1ce2f$037d69a0$1e9d8041@win98xpo466jp2> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: DX tests Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 22:43:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Joe Esposito" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=93604673 X-Yahoo-Profile: espositojm Sounds like HDTV to me. For my 8th grade term paper I wrote about HDTV and how in five years it would be the standard for broadcast TV. Well, I wrote that paper in 1987 and I still have my old analog TV here in 2002..... Joe Esposito ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevtronics" To: Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 10:18 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: DX tests > even way back in _1993_, people were saying with > confidence that IBOC DAB was "just around the corner" and would be > "ready by next year". From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun Mar 17 19:58:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 18 Mar 2002 03:58:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 62307 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2002 03:58:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2002 03:58:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2002 03:58:21 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d188-osel.phx.fastq.com [209.63.214.175]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g2I3wJn08105 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 20:58:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <002501c1ce30$d5a99f60$afd63fd1@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: DX tests Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 20:56:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 > I've subscribed to various electronics/amateur radio magazines for a > long time, and even way back in _1993_, people were saying with > confidence that IBOC DAB was "just around the corner" and would be > "ready by next year". I have a National Radio Club tape where a lecture is being given and the speaker says that digital radio will be available in 1991. Don't toss out your analog sets yet. Digital will come but it will be a long time before its all pervasive. Keep in mind that full blown testing in six markets is coming. It is beginning and its here. I hope that we see C-QUAM proliferate and stick around until the last second. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sun Mar 17 20:13:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 18 Mar 2002 04:13:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 14275 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2002 04:13:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2002 04:13:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2002 04:13:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2002 04:13:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 04:13:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Chrysler Radio Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 761 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.167 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst I recently came across a Chrysler radio with a joystick fader and a 5 band graphic equalizer but it does not have a CD player though. I think it came out of a '96 Chrysler minivan and the radio's model # is P04858502. I've seen others on eBay that look similar but have a CD player. Upon removing the top a MuRata 6 element filter is visible # SFR450E. According to most other MuRata filters the "E" designation stands for +/- 7.5KHz. The circuit board is soldered to a removeable frame but without unsoldering it I can't see if it has a stereo decoder chip or not. This number is not listed on the AMS capable page but I'm pretty sure it is. I don't think that mono AM radios would be built with a 7.5KHz filter but more likely a 3KHz one. JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Mar 17 20:22:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 18 Mar 2002 04:22:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 69699 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2002 04:22:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2002 04:22:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2002 04:22:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2002 04:22:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 04:22:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC, XM, etc. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002501c1ce30$d5a99f60$afd63fd1@kredding430cdt> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 396 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 128.6.171.67 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Speaking of digital radio: >>>> Radio World March 1, 2002 page 10 "XM RADIO'S LOSS WIDENS". XM Satellite radio said its net loss widened to $149.9 million in the fourth quarter of 2001. It posted a full year net loss of $284.4 million compared to $41.9 million in 2000. XM "expects" to have 70,000 customers by the end of March, but then they expected to be making money by now too. <<<< From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun Mar 17 20:25:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 18 Mar 2002 04:25:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 39032 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2002 04:25:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2002 04:25:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2002 04:25:21 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d188-osel.phx.fastq.com [209.63.214.175]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g2I4PKn08518 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 21:25:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <003101c1ce34$99f6e3c0$afd63fd1@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Chrysler Radio Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 21:23:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 I had one of these. It was stereo. Kevin Mesa, Arizona ----- Original Message ----- From: "jsgilst" To: Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 9:13 PM Subject: {AMSF} Chrysler Radio > I recently came across a Chrysler radio with a joystick fader and > a 5 band graphic equalizer but it does not have a CD player though. > I think it came out of a '96 Chrysler minivan and the radio's model > # is P04858502. I've seen others on eBay that look similar but have > a CD player. From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun Mar 17 20:31:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 18 Mar 2002 04:31:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 62996 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2002 04:31:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2002 04:31:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2002 04:31:15 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d188-osel.phx.fastq.com [209.63.214.175]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g2I4VEn08581 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 21:31:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <003701c1ce35$6ccc4740$afd63fd1@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC, XM, etc. Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 21:28:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 > Speaking of digital radio: I don't know if I would call it digital radio although it is, I would call this satellite radio. > Radio World March 1, 2002 page 10 "XM RADIO'S LOSS WIDENS". > XM Satellite radio said its net loss widened to $149.9 million in the > fourth quarter of 2001. It posted a full year net loss of $284.4 > million compared to $41.9 million in 2000. Well they are looking at $325 million in the hole. I told David Lawrence who was with XM that they had better have REAL DEEP pockets. He pooh-poohed it. I hate to say told you so but thats a pantload of money to lose. > XM "expects" to have > 70,000 customers by the end of March, but then they expected to be > making money by now too. I am laughing about this comment. I doubt they would make money for another 2 or 3 years. No one is buying the radios. Sirius is even in worse shape. They are selling nothing to anyone and they aren't compatible with XM.... Another corporate boondoggle. Its a shame that no one asks the customers what they wanted. Its also too bad that most customers can't tell the vendors what they want. Perhaps narrow band FM should have been tried on the AM band. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Mar 17 21:03:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 18 Mar 2002 05:03:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 15870 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2002 05:03:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2002 05:03:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14205.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.151) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2002 05:03:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20020318050357.49096.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.162.18.173] by web14205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 21:03:57 PST Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 21:03:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: AM Stereo Promo Today! To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio At the Hamfest in Toledo, Ohio today I set-out a dozen color flyers that I had made-up about AM Stereo. It featured 3 photos of the digital display showing 3 local stations with their frequency and "Stereo" illuminated on the UX-1 display. It also listed the 3 stations, frequency, format and the fact that they were in stereo; and a dinky photo of the Delco UX-1. Much to my pleasant surprise, these AM Stereo promo sheets were gone in less than half an hour, and wished that I had more time to print out a load more. I gave them the www.amstereoradio.com address, as well as my address, so I hope we might get some action. Damn, wish I had time to print out a hundred of them! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Mar 17 21:48:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 18 Mar 2002 05:48:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 20187 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2002 05:48:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2002 05:48:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2002 05:48:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2002 05:48:49 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 05:48:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Chrysler Radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3639 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 128.6.171.67 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I recently came across a Chrysler radio with a joystick fader and > a 5 band graphic equalizer but it does not have a CD player though. > I think it came out of a '96 Chrysler minivan and the radio's model > # is P04858502. I've seen others on eBay that look similar but have > a CD player. Circa 1994-1999, all Chrysler radios with 5-band graphic equalizer and "joystick" speaker control were AMAX AM Stereo equipped, with Expanded Band coverage. These radios used the MC13022 C-Quam decoder chip with Automatically Variable IF bandwidth depending on signal strength, and their performance is among the BEST I have ever heard from AM Stereo car radios. With the variable IF bandwidth, strong local stations give you full AMAX bandwidth, with just under 10 kHz of response due to the sharp whistle filter (which is very effective -- you NEVER hear any 10 kHz carrier whistles on these radios), and full Stereo separation. For weaker signals, the IF bandwidth is progressively reduced, down to about 5 kHz of audio response on the weakest stations. It has a Stereo blend feature as well, so on weak AM Stereo stations the "ST" indicator will light up right away but you won't get true Stereo sound until the signal is strong enough to provide clear Stereo sound. This makes it a little "fussy" but in most signal conditions you get clean, clear Stereo sound. The auto-variable bandwidth also makes signal fade-outs (i.e. driving under a bridge) much less annoying since there is no hiss, and I think it even has a noise blanker (per AMAX specs), or at least is much more immune to noise from overhead power lines than most car radios on AM. Another interesting thing is that on stronger stations, you start hearing Stereo sound *instantly* after you tune in the station, but the "ST" light doesn't go on until after the traditional 1-second delay. So you will be hearing Stereo *before* the ST light goes on! GM/Delco radios from 1993 to present also used the MC13022 chip and are also AMAX certified, but I don't think Delco used the auto-variable bandwidth like Chrysler. Instead, Delco has it fixed to narrow bandwidth in mono mode and wide bandwidth when a Stereo station is tuned in. Thus, the Chrysler will give better reception and sensitivity with weaker AM Stereo stations, and will also let you enjoy full-quality AMAX sound on Mono stations. I think these 5-band-equalizer/joystick Chrysler radios are the closest you will find in a car radio to the Denon TU-680NAB and Carver TX-11a level of performance and sound quality. It is a shame that Chrysler reduced the bandwidth so much on the newer CD/cassette combo "RAZ" radios. These radios still use the MC13022 chip but it is locked into the narrowest bandwidth mode all the time, regardless of signal strength. Anyway, here is an example of one of these Chrysler AMAX radios on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1813239282 It also came available with a CD player instead of cassette (but not CD/cassette combo), and some are marked "Infinity Gold", which was Jeep's top-of-the-line speaker/amplifier system. My first experience with AM Stereo was actually with one of these Infinity Gold radios in a 1995 Jeep, and until I got used to it, I simply could not believe my ears -- clear, crisp AM STEREO with enough bass response to feel the vibrations in your seat... it was simply amazing to listen to, and still is! Now, if only I could find a regular-DIN-size radio with Expanded Band and AMAX AM Stereo of this good of quality, to fit in my own Volkswagen Jetta.... From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sun Mar 17 23:24:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 18 Mar 2002 07:24:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 71126 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2002 07:24:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2002 07:24:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2002 07:24:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2002 07:24:03 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 07:24:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Chrysler Radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1647 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.139 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > > With the variable IF bandwidth, strong local stations give you full > AMAX bandwidth, with just under 10 kHz of response due to the sharp > whistle filter (which is very effective -- you NEVER hear any 10 kHz > carrier whistles on these radios), and full Stereo separation. For > weaker signals, the IF bandwidth is progressively reduced, down to > about 5 kHz of audio response on the weakest stations. > > > The auto-variable bandwidth also makes signal fade-outs (i.e. driving > under a bridge) much less annoying since there is no hiss, and I think > it even has a noise blanker (per AMAX specs), or at least is much more > immune to noise from overhead power lines than most car radios on AM. > From my stuy of the MC13022 datasheet the notch filter when hooked to the 13022 will vary the Q from a flat response out to about 9.5 KHz with a very sharp 10 KHz notch to a gradual rolloff starting at about 2 KHz with a 10KHz notch. This is done post detection at the audio level so unless there is also variabe IF bandwidth control this is kind of misleading. It should be called variabe AF bandwidth control. I recall reading this somewhere also and the 13022 built in variable Q notch filter came to mind. It would be neat if they did implement this at the IF level but I would need more techical info about the radio beofore I would call it variable IF bandwidth. I could be possible the use a varactor diode across the IF filter like Chris's fixed capacitor and its value could be varied by the same signal that varies the notch filters. JSG From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Mar 18 01:23:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 18 Mar 2002 09:23:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 79495 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2002 09:23:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2002 09:23:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2002 09:23:00 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.33]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 04:17:30 -0500 Message-ID: <002d01c1ce5d$bafe6880$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <003701c1ce35$6ccc4740$afd63fd1@kredding430cdt> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC, XM, etc. Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 04:17:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Sadly, the one thing that raio needs, and none of these ***holes can see it, is *programming* that will attract and keep an audience. They just don't get it. And.... it would be the LEAST costly thing to improve. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin To: Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 11:28 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC, XM, etc. > > > Radio World March 1, 2002 page 10 "XM RADIO'S LOSS WIDENS". From jwelton@nautel.com Mon Mar 18 05:02:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 18 Mar 2002 13:02:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 26190 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2002 13:02:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2002 13:02:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserver.nautel.com) (24.222.4.134) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2002 13:02:10 -0000 Received: FROM jeff-welton BY mailserver.nautel.com ; Mon Mar 18 09:02:40 2002 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:01:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: DX tests Message-ID: <3C95AD08.18618.167496@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) From: "Jeff Welton" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 > I checked the CRTC website - in the late 90's the CRTC approved an > application by CKVL Verdun Quebec to move to the old 690 spot long > held by CBF. This is accurate, CKVL 940 is now running INFO 940 (talk/news) in French on an AMPFET 50 and TALK 690 (also talk/news) in English on a Nautel XL60. > always possible they have changed format - I'll have to listen as they > come in great at night. Nope, they are still a talk format. Unlikely that they are in stereo - the new transmitter for 690 was not ordered with the stereo exciter PWB and the only outboard stereo exciter they had on their old site was a 20-year old Motorola that wasn't being used at all. > The only high power CBC AM facility left that I'm aware of is CBA > Moncton - 50kw on 1070. Nope - to name a few: CBU - Vancouver, BC, 690 kHz; CBK - Regina, SK, 540 kHz;, CBW - Winnipeg, MB, 990 kHz. These are the ones I know of which are on the air. 740 in Toronto was shut down and flipped to a series of FM's, as was 690 in Montreal. > My understanding is that these CBC clear channel transfers to > private Canadian stations involve not only a transfer of the freq. but > also the sale of the transmitting plant. Also true - and yes, some of them have a respectable amount of steel on-site! Regards, Jeff Welton Nautel Customer Service Dept. Tel.: 1-902-823-3900 ext. 127 Fax: 1-902-823-3183 email: jwelton@nautel.com From smpoole7@bellsouth.net Mon Mar 18 05:50:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: smpoole7@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 18 Mar 2002 13:50:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 20302 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2002 13:50:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2002 13:50:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2002 13:50:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2002 13:50:41 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:50:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Transmitter Electricity Usage Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1166 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "professorpoole" X-Originating-IP: 209.214.104.171 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25309165 X-Yahoo-Profile: professorpoole Ham rigs typically use a lower-powered transmitter that drives a linear amplifier; most commercial broadcast AM transmitters have historically used high-powered modulation -- the RF final itself is modulated. And in fact, power efficiency has always been a selling point. Even my former transmitter, a Continental 50KW tube unit, was over 70% efficient; it used something based on the old Doherty linear for the final stage! :) My Nautel XL-60 is very efficient, even though it's solid state; I haven't actually measured it lately, but 80-90% is about typical. Even the older Harris "MW" series were around 85% efficient, achieving this with some novel techniques like PDM modulators driving a square-wave-modulated final. Incidentally, most newer designs have serious filtering on the output, too -- reminiscent of FM -- to strip the harmonics. Just chaining a few L-networks on the output won't get it. If you're interested in this stuff, many manufacturers have info at their Websites. And by the way, though, you're probably right about overall efficiencies of AM vs. FM. Our 100KW station here uses a TPO of 27.5 KW in a high-gain antenna. From smpoole7@bellsouth.net Mon Mar 18 05:54:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: smpoole7@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 18 Mar 2002 13:54:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 32949 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2002 13:53:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2002 13:53:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2002 13:53:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2002 13:53:27 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:53:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Transmitter Electricity Usage Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 99 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "professorpoole" X-Originating-IP: 209.214.104.171 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25309165 X-Yahoo-Profile: professorpoole > driving a square-wave-modulated final. Erm ... that should be, square-wave-DRIVEN final. :) From jwelton@nautel.com Mon Mar 18 06:20:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 18 Mar 2002 14:20:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 1772 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2002 14:17:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2002 14:17:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserver.nautel.com) (24.222.4.134) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2002 14:17:38 -0000 Received: FROM jeff-welton BY mailserver.nautel.com ; Mon Mar 18 10:18:08 2002 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:17:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: {AMSF} Money Talks; Got an Idea! Message-ID: <3C95BEB8.17963.5B8E1C@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) From: "Jeff Welton" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 First, I wish to apologize to Mr. Finder (i2thesky2001) for any perceived slight on my part - this was not my intent. I understand your point, however, by including incorrect information, your argument was skewed and self-defeating. There ARE several reasons why an AM signal is more desirable than FM (greater range, reduced multipath, etc.) but power cost and maintenance are not two of these reasons. I apologize for the length of my rebuttal, but I've learned from experience that if you tell somebody they are wrong, you had better provide the facts to back it up. Insofar as the idea of donating stereo equipment and engineering time to stations to get them started in AMS - I think that's a good idea. I don't have the studio experience to help much with something like this, but would volunteer any technical know-how I can provide via email - at least as far as I can without compromising my professional interests. If anyone has any questions, I'd be happy to answer any I can. Best Regards, Jeff Welton Nautel Customer Service Dept. Tel.: 1-902-823-3900 ext. 127 Fax: 1-902-823-3183 email: jwelton@nautel.com From jwelton@nautel.com Mon Mar 18 06:39:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 18 Mar 2002 14:39:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 80342 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2002 14:35:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2002 14:35:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserver.nautel.com) (24.222.4.134) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2002 14:35:54 -0000 Received: FROM jeff-welton BY mailserver.nautel.com ; Mon Mar 18 10:36:24 2002 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:35:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Transmitter Electricity Usage Message-ID: <3C95C300.32620.6C486A@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) From: "Jeff Welton" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 > > Jeff gave a figure of 84% effeciency and these must be the newer > > models. This seems high for a class AB and almost sounds like a > > class D. > > Actually class E, which is a bit of a refinement of class D. Most AM > rigs are polyphase PDM. I think Mr. Welton would be better able to > explain the difference between the original PDM and the polyphase > version. Actually, no - for the AM's it is Class D: MOSFET's in a complementary H-bridge configuration, switching at the RF drive frequency. DC efficiencies in excess of 90% are achievable, with overall efficiency spec'd at 84% in our case and, at low frequencies, possibly as high as 88-90%. Typically, the majority of AM stations today are using solid state transmitters with some variation of Class D amplification, although there still several tube rigs still pumping out the wattage. For FM's, solid states tend to use a variation of Class E or class C/E (what we use). The Polyphase PDM (actually, we use bi-phase) is as described in a previous post - we take the original PDM signal and phase shift it (in our case 180 degrees). Some modulators are driven with one signal, others with the phase reversed one. When the PDM frequency is filtered, the resulting audio on a DC level is used as the power supply for the RF amplifiers, and any remaining PDM spurious left over from the filtering will tend to cancel between the two groups of amplifiers. This allows us to make the low pass PDM filters much more broadband, better for high frequency audio, better for Production (more broadband = less expensive) and (dare I say it!) better for IBOC. Best Regards, Jeff Welton Nautel Customer Service Dept. Tel.: 1-902-823-3900 ext. 127 Fax: 1-902-823-3183 email: jwelton@nautel.com From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Mar 18 11:39:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 18 Mar 2002 19:39:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 13086 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2002 19:39:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2002 19:39:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO host.warwick.net) (204.255.24.254) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2002 19:39:06 -0000 Received: from chris (qelapsvc.florida.ul.warwick.net [208.228.96.20]) by host.warwick.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2IJd4w378616 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:39:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000701c1ceb4$7f4be540$0501a8c0@warwick.net> To: Subject: Transmitters Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:38:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I am happy to report that the Cardinal programmable oscillators work great on my little "Alfredo Lite" AM stereo transmitters. I have one ready to go now to Matt on 1197, and one for Joe on 1550. There are only three transmitters left on this board run- I WILL be having more boards made, so if any of you miss out on this lot, the next lot will be about 10 weeks down the road. Incidently, the custom freqs only add about $6.50 per unit. Chris From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Mar 18 12:28:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 18 Mar 2002 20:28:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 3979 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2002 20:28:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2002 20:28:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2002 20:28:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2002 20:27:56 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:27:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Chrysler Radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 943 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.26 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > This is done post detection at the audio level so unless there is > also variabe IF bandwidth control this is kind of misleading. Well, I found this in the MC13022 data sheet: >>>> IF Bandwidth Control IF AGC attenuates the signal by shunting the signal at the IF input. This widens the IF bandwidth by decreasing the loaded Q of the input coupling coil as signal strength increases. <<<< So, it appears when fully implemented according to the data sheet, the MC13022 chip features both IF and Audio bandwidth control, automatically variable depending on signal strength. The MC13122 chip, which is the same thing as the '022 except with added noise blanking, is also described as having "variable bandwidth IF and audio response". Both of these decoder chips also have a "noise immune pilot detector" which only responds to AM Stereo pilot tones in the range of 24.4 to 25.6 Hz, so they are pretty much immune to "falsing". From 1377.3mp@start.com.au Mon Mar 18 13:59:46 2002 Return-Path: <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Sender: 1377.3mp@start.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 18 Mar 2002 21:59:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 28407 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2002 21:59:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2002 21:59:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2002 21:59:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2002 21:59:42 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:59:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Dick Smith AM stereo kit ? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 230 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Originating-IP: 213.121.69.38 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69495942 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan I've been trawling though the archives of the aus.radio.broadcast group and read mention of this from a 1996 'am stereo' thread. Btw the way there's been many recent posts about ams on this aussie group. interesting reading... From jsgil@hal-pc.org Mon Mar 18 16:01:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 19 Mar 2002 00:01:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 47950 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2002 22:09:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2002 22:09:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2002 22:09:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2002 22:09:46 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:09:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Dick Smith AM stereo kit ? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 190 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.190 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "amstereofan" <1377.3mp@s...> wrote: > > Btw the way there's been many recent posts about ams on this aussie > group. interesting reading... What is URL. JSG From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Mar 18 16:45:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 19 Mar 2002 00:45:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 73344 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2002 00:45:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2002 00:45:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO boron.vcn.com) (209.193.72.5) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2002 00:45:09 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.95]) by boron.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:45:08 -0700 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} test Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:45:12 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Allright AMS folk...what is up? WHO is dennisfalkisaloser@yahoo.com ? That is who the this message came from. See the header? Please, let's not start a mess over here. Kevins? You guys notice anything? MJR -----Original Message----- From: theloserpage [mailto:dennisfalkisaloser@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 5:36 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} test [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Mar 18 16:54:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 19 Mar 2002 00:54:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 33148 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2002 00:54:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2002 00:54:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2002 00:54:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2002 00:54:09 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 00:54:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Update Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 971 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.26 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I have voluntary taken over the management duties of the NRCDXAS server space assigned for AM Stereo files. The content is mostly the same as before, but I have reorganized and simplified the directory structure. So if you have any direct links to files stored on this server, please update them. To access the server for browsing and downloads, go to: http://www.nrcdxas.org/amstereo To upload files, use an FTP utility to log into the server with the following settings: Host Name/Address: www.nrcdxas.org User ID: iaaas Password: amstereo Uncheck the "Anonymous" setting box if your FTP program has one (since an anonymous login will not let you upload files). Please put uploads into the "uploads" directory. Note that I may contact Fred Vobbe (owner of the NRCDXAS server) to get the User ID and Password changed (so you-know-who doesn't try to get in there again and mess things around). I will keep you updated if this occurs. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Mar 18 16:56:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 19 Mar 2002 00:56:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 89602 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2002 00:56:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2002 00:56:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2002 00:56:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2002 00:56:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 00:56:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: test Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 290 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.26 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Allright AMS folk...what is up? WHO is > dennisfalkisaloser@yahoo.com ? > That is who the this message came from. See the header? I have no clue, but if that person wishes to participate in this Forum, I strongly suggest that he or she should use a more appropriate e-mail address. From matthew.trim@eds.com Mon Mar 18 17:21:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 19 Mar 2002 01:21:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 18719 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2002 01:21:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2002 01:21:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns5.eds.com) (203.17.185.230) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2002 01:21:10 -0000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com (nnsy-3.eds.com [192.168.1.1]) by ns5.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g2J1L8027893 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:21:08 +1100 (EST) Received: from nnsy.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2J1L6K06639 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:21:06 +1100 (EST) Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2J1L6J06633 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:21:06 +1100 (EST) Received: by AUSYM000 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:20:32 +1100 Message-ID: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542803F52EF7@AUSYM200> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Update Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:20:28 +1100 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Great Work! A suggestion - perhaps Fred can create another ftp user called "iaaasftp" This account could be set to default to the uploads directory with only write access to "uploads" only. You can then change the password for the iaaas account to one that only you and perhaps Chris know for "maintenance" use only. That way the integrity of the files are ensured. Cheers, Matt -----Original Message----- From: kevtronics [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, 19 March 2002 10:54 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Update I have voluntary taken over the management duties of the NRCDXAS server space assigned for AM Stereo files. The content is mostly the same as before, but I have reorganized and simplified the directory structure. So if you have any direct links to files stored on this server, please update them. To access the server for browsing and downloads, go to: http://www.nrcdxas.org/amstereo To upload files, use an FTP utility to log into the server with the following settings: Host Name/Address: www.nrcdxas.org User ID: iaaas Password: amstereo Uncheck the "Anonymous" setting box if your FTP program has one (since an anonymous login will not let you upload files). Please put uploads into the "uploads" directory. Note that I may contact Fred Vobbe (owner of the NRCDXAS server) to get the User ID and Password changed (so you-know-who doesn't try to get in there again and mess things around). I will keep you updated if this occurs. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Mar 18 17:57:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 19 Mar 2002 01:57:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 85126 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2002 01:57:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2002 01:57:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2002 01:57:33 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-76.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.76]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2J1vR0I026451 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 19:57:28 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <009001c1cee9$b4ff0c00$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <000701c1ceb4$7f4be540$0501a8c0@warwick.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Transmitters Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 19:59:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Could I order ones for existing units- both a full Alfredo and a lite version? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Cuff To: Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 1:38 PM Subject: {AMSF} Transmitters > I am happy to report that the Cardinal programmable oscillators work great > on my little "Alfredo Lite" AM stereo transmitters. I have one ready to go > now to Matt on 1197, and one for Joe on 1550. > There are only three transmitters left on this board run- I WILL be having > more boards made, so if any of you miss out on this lot, the next lot will > be about 10 weeks down the road. > Incidently, the custom freqs only add about $6.50 per unit. > Chris > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Mar 18 18:04:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 19 Mar 2002 02:04:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 81410 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2002 02:04:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2002 02:04:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2002 02:04:27 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-76.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.76]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2J24K0I027552 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:04:21 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00cb01c1ceea$ab624da0$d3a9fea9@me> To: Subject: Fw: [CRTECH] IBOC Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:06:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [CRTECH] IBOCThought you guys might want a peek at what a lot of engineers are saying about FM IBOC. From the CRTech list at broadcast.net: Got two to post. ST [CRTECH] IBOC Tom Bosscher crtech@broadcast.net Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:45:31 -0500 a.. Previous message: [CRTECH] IBOC b.. Next message: [CRTECH] IBOC c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Can anyone give me a quick estimate of what typical costs (Non-recurring and recurring)will be for going to IBOC Non-com, $ 3750.00 Thats todays number. Commercial, 15x your FCC fee. These are to be one time payments. Thats todays quote. Then, the hardware will go one of two directions. If your existing FM can handle it, you can mux in the IBOC exciter ( around $ 20,000 ) 95% of the tx's out there can't do that. For the those of us in the 95% range, you will need the IBOC exciter, plus a tx, anywhere from 10 to 30% the power of your existing analog (10,000 to 40,000) . Then you will need a combiner ( $ 25,000?) to diplex the two signals. You will also need 10-15% more powwer out of your analog to make up the lost power in the combiner. The cool part, is that the cost is the same for a Class B in market # 85 as a class B in market # 1, and the same for a non-comm class B in any market. IBOC is very indiscrimanant on its costs. Then, add the cost of electricity, and air conditioning to the monthly equation. Then, make sure your TX site has floor space for the new tx and combiner. The combiner I saw at NAB last year is about 6 feet wide by 8 feet long by 5 feet high. Are we having fun yet? Tom, can you tell I'm not impressed? Bosscher -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- a.. Previous message: [CRTECH] IBOC b.. Next message: [CRTECH] IBOC c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Mar 18 18:04:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 19 Mar 2002 02:04:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 91029 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2002 02:04:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2002 02:04:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2002 02:04:53 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-76.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.76]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2J24k0I027648 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:04:48 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00d301c1ceea$bb001b20$d3a9fea9@me> To: Subject: Fw: [CRTECH] IBOC Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:06:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [CRTECH] IBOChere's the other ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: stodd@sherbtel.net Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 11:55 AM Subject: [CRTECH] IBOC [CRTECH] IBOC WDBARadio@wdba.com crtech@broadcast.net Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:59:50 -0500 a.. Previous message: [CRTECH] IBOC b.. Next message: [CRTECH] IBOC c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > On 15 Mar 2002, at 11:45, Tom Bosscher wrote: > ...Then, make sure your TX site has floor space for the new tx and > combiner. The combiner I saw at NAB last year is about 6 feet wide by 8 feet > long by 5 feet high. I've seem pictures of those things at SBE convention meetings! We have a reinforced cinderblock transmitter building of our design, but nobody ever envisioned floorspace needs like that. For WDBA it means a completely new transmitter, a new building ... or wait quietly until the whole IBOC thing blows over and we go back to talking about documenting our wiring. (I still haven't done anything here.) The joke going around the Pittsburgh show was about the Eureka claims from our free trade neighbors in Canada. In British Columbia (Vancouver area) where Eureka is actually being broadcast there were only 3 receivers known to be in use... and one of them was owned by a broadcast engineer ... who WON it at a broadcasters' convention! WOW! Really makes ME want to recommend spending $200Kor more to upgrade! Jerry Meloon, still procrastinating in Pennsylvania WDBA-FM Jerry Meloon, WDBA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- a.. Previous message: [CRTECH] IBOC b.. Next message: [CRTECH] IBOC c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Mon Mar 18 18:20:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 19 Mar 2002 02:20:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 64565 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2002 02:20:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2002 02:20:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r09.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.105) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2002 02:20:45 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.16b.a830ea7 (3845) for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:17:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <16b.a830ea7.29c7f9c7@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:17:43 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: [CRTECH] IBOC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 3/18/02 9:10:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, stodd@sherbtel.net writes: << The cool part, is that the cost is the same for a Class B in market # 85 as a class B in market # 1, and the same for a non-comm class B in any market. IBOC is very indiscrimanant on its costs. Then, add the cost of electricity, and air conditioning to the monthly equation. Then, make sure your TX site has floor space for the new tx and combiner. The combiner I saw at NAB last year is about 6 feet wide by 8 feet long by 5 feet high. Are we having fun yet? Tom, can you tell I'm not impressed? Bosscher >> Just as I've been commenting from time to time....IBOC will be very expensive and very inefficient at the transmitting end of the equation. Receiving it will be a whole disaster of its own. Just thinking about it...no we are not having fun and far from impressed with IBOC. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From dav259@csiro.au Mon Mar 18 18:29:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 19 Mar 2002 02:29:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 16662 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2002 02:29:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2002 02:29:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2002 02:29:34 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02629 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:29:32 +1100 (EST) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:29:31 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Dick Smith AM stereo kit ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, jsgilst wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@y..., "amstereofan" <1377.3mp@s...> wrote: > > > > Btw the way there's been many recent posts about ams on this aussie > > group. interesting reading... > > What is URL. The Aussie Google board ... http://groups.google.com/groups?num=25&hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&oe=ISO-8859-1&group=aus.radio.broadcast&start=0 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Mar 18 18:41:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 19 Mar 2002 02:41:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 31935 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2002 02:41:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2002 02:41:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2002 02:41:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2002 02:41:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 02:41:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fw: [CRTECH] IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <16b.a830ea7.29c7f9c7@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1651 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.26 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Just as I've been commenting from time to time....IBOC will be very > expensive and very inefficient at the transmitting end of the > equation. Receiving it will be a whole disaster of its own. And on the AM side, according to the engineer of one IBOC test station that I talked to, it will only work on *non-directional* stations using certain transmitter models, such as the Harris DX-10. Also, the proponents clearly state that the coverage of the IBOC digital signal will be "the majority of the areas currently covered by the analog signal". In other words, the digital coverage will be LESS than that of analog. The IBOC proponents are also stacking the deck in their favor by posting misleading frequency response measurements of regular AM receivers. Take a look at this: http://www.nab.org/SciTech/Dab/Appendixn.pdf The first receiver they tested was a Delco car radio with AM Stereo, probably the UX-1 model or close equivalent. First of all, they specifically mention turning *off* its AM Stereo mode, which switches it into narrow bandwidth mode, but even then, their audio response measurements are far worse than I've ever gotten from a Delco radio in mono/narrow mode. They show it as having virtually no response above 3 kHz, while at least with my Delco, I know it has some degree of response all the way to the 10 kHz limit, even in Narrow mode. They also show its Total Harmonic Distortion (THD) spiking up extremely high above 5 kHz, to the point of having 100% THD above 6.5 kHz! I know the Delco isn't perfect, but 100% distortion?? What are they using for a transmitter, a Mr. Microphone toy??? From KC4QLP@aol.com Mon Mar 18 18:51:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 19 Mar 2002 02:51:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 22800 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2002 02:51:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2002 02:51:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.7) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2002 02:51:47 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.103.124d3452 (3845) for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:51:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <103.124d3452.29c801bc@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:51:40 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Fw: [CRTECH] IBOC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 3/18/02 9:46:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, kevtronics@yahoo.com writes: << And on the AM side, according to the engineer of one IBOC test station that I talked to, it will only work on *non-directional* stations using certain transmitter models, such as the Harris DX-10. >> This would leave out the majority of AM stations on the air today. <> No surprise there. IBOC proponents ..ie Investors,engineers testing this garbage and the NAB all have money {big bucks!} to lose if this doesnt get off the work bench and on the air. I just hate the thought of going through all of this crap..and hoping it doesnt get past FM Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1148 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.26 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The Aussie Google board ... Yahoo doesn't seem to like extra-long URLs, so if your Internet program is already UseNet-enabled, you can simply click on: news:aus.radio.broadcast And if not, you can go to: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=aus.radio.broadcast&hl=en BTW, the UseNet Newsgroups search function of Google is amazing... it has a database going back *decades*.... I have found messages about AM Stereo dating back to early 1983 using it! Simply go to www.google.com, click on Groups, and then type in anything into the box, as you would with a search engine. Typing in "AM Stereo" (WITH quotes) results in nearly 6000 search results, dating all the way back to February 22, 1983! And you can get more specific too... for example, typing in "SRF-42" results in hundreds of messages about the Sony SRF-42 AM Stereo Walkman, dating all the way back to its introduction in January 1994. I typed in myself, and I found messages by me dating back to early 1996.... back then I was already asking about the possibility of a low-power AM Stereo transmitter, which only took 4 years to come true with the "Alfredo Lite"! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Mar 18 20:00:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 19 Mar 2002 04:00:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 21655 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2002 04:00:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2002 04:00:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2002 04:00:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2002 04:00:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 04:00:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: IBOC test stations Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1388 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.26 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics "Ibiquity" claims the following stations are testing IBOC digital: >>>> Test stations include: WNEW-FM (102.7) in New York; WETA-FM (90.9), WHFS-FM (99.1), WJFK-FM (106.7), WAMU-FM (88.5), and WTOP-AM (1500), in Washington, D.C.; KLLC-FM (97.3), KDFC (102.1) and KABL-AM (960) in San Francisco; WILC-AM (900) and WPOC-FM (93.1) in Baltimore; WNOP-AM (740) in Cincinnati, WPST-FM (97.5), and WBJB-FM (90.5) in central N.J.; KWNR-FM (95.5), KNPR-FM (89.5), and KSFN-AM (1140) in Las Vegas; and WGRV-FM (105.1) and WWJ-AM (950) in Detroit; WWMO-FM (98.9), in Orlando. <<<< I personally know that 1500 WTOP and 960 KABL are *not* using IBOC... WTOP is plain mono, and KABL is in full-separation C-Quam AM Stereo! And 102.7 WNEW-FM was testing IBOC-FM but has since discontinued it and now is plain analog FM Stereo. For FM stations, if they are actually using IBOC, you will notice a "buzzing" sound on either side of the signal. For example, for an IBOC signal on 97.3 MHz, you will notice the buzzing sound on 97.1 and 97.5 MHz. With a more accurate digital tuner, you might hear the buzzing even stronger on 97.2 and 97.4 MHz. For AM stations, an IBOC signal is distinguished by drastically reduced audio response (down to 4.5 kHz, barely better than a telephone), along with a "hissing" sound on either side of the signal, similar to the "buzzing" of IBOC on FM. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Mar 18 20:03:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 19 Mar 2002 04:03:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 65106 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2002 04:03:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2002 04:03:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2002 04:03:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2002 04:03:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 04:03:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WFAN back in STEREO Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 264 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.26 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I forgot to mention... after a week of Mono and transmitter maintenance this weekend, the great 660 WFAN in New York City is back in AM Stereo with sound quality just as good as before. My compliments to WFAN and CBS/Infinity for their dedication to AM Stereo! From KC4QLP@aol.com Mon Mar 18 20:22:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 19 Mar 2002 04:22:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 11983 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2002 04:22:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2002 04:22:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r04.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.100) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2002 04:22:03 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 4.93.19dfcac5 (3845) for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:20:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <93.19dfcac5.29c81682@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:20:18 EST Subject: yahoo not sending all messages. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Since I logged on this evening,I've noticed that I'm not getting all of the messages from Yahoo groups. I'll get a reply to a message but not the original message.Or the messages might be hit and miss in what I get. I'm having to look at the web to get the messages that I've missed...and here I was starting to think it was a slow day. Anyone else having the email trouble? Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From dav259@csiro.au Mon Mar 18 20:48:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 19 Mar 2002 04:48:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 13065 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2002 04:48:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2002 04:48:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2002 04:48:46 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA07986 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:48:44 +1100 (EST) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:48:44 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Dick Smith AM stereo kit ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, kevtronics wrote: > Yahoo doesn't seem to like extra-long URLs, so if your Internet > program is already UseNet-enabled, you can simply click on: > > news:aus.radio.broadcast > > And if not, you can go to: > > http://groups.google.com/groups?q=aus.radio.broadcast&hl=en Kevin frequently plonks good stuff on our Aussie google board. Every bit helps ... Thanks Kevin! I frequently look at the US one and stick some of the things CC are up to in the States onto ours as their reputation is growing fast here. One of the most recent posts is that on our Melbourne Mix-FM even the breakfast shift is prerecorded - and thankfully, since CC has taken over, Mix's latest rating has crashed to it's lowest since 1989! Hey but who cares?? It's probably still turning a profit. Mix-FM FM Stereo 6.0% Magic 693 AM Stereo 7.7% From smpoole7@bellsouth.net Mon Mar 18 22:12:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: smpoole7@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 19 Mar 2002 06:12:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 86411 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2002 06:12:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2002 06:12:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2002 06:12:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2002 06:12:57 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 06:12:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Transmitter Electricity Usage Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3C95C300.32620.6C486A@localhost> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 384 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "professorpoole" X-Originating-IP: 209.214.104.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25309165 X-Yahoo-Profile: professorpoole Hey, Jeff! You do know that the XL60 is a rock, don't you? :) I never thought I'd see the day that we could run a 50KW transmitter in a SEALED building. We installed a 10-ton air conditioner just to be on the safe side, but we probably could have gotten by with less. That's the most efficient transmitter I've ever seen. (The fact that it sounds great is just a bonus.[g]) From amfmdx@fastq.com Mon Mar 18 22:39:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 19 Mar 2002 06:39:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 50598 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2002 06:39:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2002 06:39:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2002 06:39:00 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d170-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.202]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g2J6cxn02419 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:38:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <006a01c1cf0f$f17c5180$caf9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <1562-3C967A6E-2505@storefull-2313.public.lawson.webtv.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} subscribe Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:33:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 Good to see you here Dave. Kevin Mesa, Arizona ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 4:38 PM Subject: {AMSF} subscribe > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From amfmdx@fastq.com Mon Mar 18 22:40:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 19 Mar 2002 06:40:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 38349 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2002 06:40:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2002 06:40:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2002 06:40:13 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d170-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.202]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g2J6eCn02426 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:40:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <007801c1cf10$1cba91e0$caf9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} test Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:34:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 Its not me, I have started more than enough stuff in the past. Kevin Mesa, Arizona ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael J. Richard" To: Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 5:45 PM Subject: RE: {AMSF} test > Allright AMS folk...what is up? WHO is dennisfalkisaloser@yahoo.com ? > That is who the this message came from. See the header? > > Please, let's not start a mess over here. Kevins? You guys notice > anything? > > MJR > > > -----Original Message----- > From: theloserpage [mailto:dennisfalkisaloser@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 5:36 PM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} test > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Mar 18 22:41:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 19 Mar 2002 06:41:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 67871 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2002 06:41:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2002 06:41:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14204.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.146) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2002 06:41:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20020319064140.79715.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.162.18.173] by web14204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:41:40 PST Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:41:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: CFCO hi-power? To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Might want to skim by 630AM - CFCO tonight, as it appears that they left the transmitter in the 'daytime' power position, so you might be able to tune them in tonight if you usually don't! 73's __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ From rfinder@telusplanet.net Mon Mar 18 23:11:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rfinder@telusplanet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 19 Mar 2002 07:11:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 17179 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2002 07:11:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2002 07:11:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2002 07:11:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2002 07:11:37 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 07:11:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Money Talks; Got an Idea! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 575 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "i2thesky2001" X-Originating-IP: 142.59.49.245 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public > > I doubt that it will be dead...of course the talk of the dreaded digital > garbage coming up wont help,but it could mean a possible up rising of AM > Stereo when IBOC is proven to be a worthless hurtful cause to radio in general > Okay. You got me there. You are giving me hope for AM Stereo for the future. that's the kind of positive sentiments we need to keep this technology mainstream. As one of you said, "Rome wasnt built in a day" gives me better perspective on things. Just like that line in the Movie Contact, "small moves, peggy, small moves". From rjskadl@yahoo.com Tue Mar 19 00:44:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 19 Mar 2002 08:44:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 5175 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2002 08:44:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2002 08:44:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2002 08:44:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2002 08:44:01 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:44:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Greg Labs Processor Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1741 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl I need some help here tracking down a copy of the manual for the Greg Labs AM processor box. I have not had a chance to see it with mine own eyes yet, but I can tell you that it sounds decent on the air. I will do my best to describe it from what I have been told about it. Unfortunately it does not have any model number or serial number either. The box is a rare find nowadays, but I understand that there were a good number of them in use in the late 80's and early 90's. Apparently it is a step above the optimod 9100. The box is capable of AM Stereo processing. In fact it came from a major market station that broadcasts in stereo. They no longer have any need for it. Apparently the box is more like an Optimod 9200 in its circuitry design, but it is still an analog box. A digitally controlled analog audio processing system. We need the manual in order to select what kind of outputs we want. I am hoping that if a manual can be found, that I might just could try to persuade the engineer at the processors new home to try going stereo. This is still a longshot though, because even though they have a BE AM-1 rig, the Stereo Generation card is missing from the exciter. Every little bit helps though. They also have thir heart set on running the older Transmitter with the mono exciter because it sounds better on the air. We would have to dig up an AMS exciter for the Harriss rig. But at least having the processing would be one step towards AM Stereo. I appreciate any help you guys can give me on this. The other guys I work with are also looking for the manual, but I figured this would be a good place to ask around as well. Thank you all once again for your assistance. -Russ From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Mar 19 00:49:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 19 Mar 2002 08:49:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 14230 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2002 08:49:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2002 08:49:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2002 08:49:15 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.33]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 03:43:49 -0500 Message-ID: <004901c1cf22$2df42fe0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <000701c1ceb4$7f4be540$0501a8c0@warwick.net> <009001c1cee9$b4ff0c00$d3a9fea9@me> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Transmitters Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 03:43:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Sure- I just need to know what frequency you want. They integrate VERY easily into the present design, no mods needed, as they only need 5 volts, ground, and the output connects directly to the hole that the present xtal goes to. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 8:59 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Transmitters > Could I order ones for existing units- both a full Alfredo and a lite > version? > > Scott Todd From jwelton@nautel.com Tue Mar 19 08:30:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 19 Mar 2002 16:30:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 9840 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2002 16:30:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2002 16:30:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserver.nautel.com) (24.222.4.134) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2002 16:30:22 -0000 Received: FROM jeff-welton.nautel.com BY mailserver.nautel.com ; Tue Mar 19 12:30:50 2002 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020319122647.009e50e0@192.168.1.16> X-Sender: jwelton@192.168.1.16 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:30:01 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Transmitter Electricity Usage Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Jeff Welton, Customer Service" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 Hey, Steven! > You do know that the XL60 is a rock, don't you? :) Yeah....I'd heard that somewhere - we don't get a lot of calls on that rig! I thought at least that you'd call now and again to say hello (I'm sooo lonely...... ;-(.....) > I never thought I'd see the day that we could run a 50KW transmitter in > a SEALED building. We installed a 10-ton air conditioner just to be on > the safe side, but we probably could have gotten by with less. Yeah, the XL60, running at full bore (66kW with 100% sine wave modulation) only produces about 14.5 kW of waste heat. You could have done the job with four tons of AC, but this would not accommodate convection heating of the building or any other heat loads inside. A ten ton unit will leave you _LOTS_ of breathing room! Regards, From jwelton@nautel.com Tue Mar 19 08:31:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 19 Mar 2002 16:31:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 39559 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2002 16:31:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2002 16:31:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserver.nautel.com) (24.222.4.134) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2002 16:31:14 -0000 Received: FROM jeff-welton.nautel.com BY mailserver.nautel.com ; Tue Mar 19 12:31:43 2002 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020319122733.009e9ec0@192.168.1.16> X-Sender: jwelton@192.168.1.16 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:30:58 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC test stations Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Jeff Welton, Customer Service" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 > "Ibiquity" claims the following stations are testing IBOC digital: > Test stations include: If WAMU-FM is IBOC testing, they are using high level combining, as their transmitter won't support low level IBOC insertion. KABL's transmitter, as shipped, won't support IBOC, and we haven't been asked for the upgrade kit for it. WILC's transmitter is fully IBOC capable and was supplied for that purpose. Beyond that, I can't comment! Regards, From jwelton@nautel.com Tue Mar 19 08:54:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 19 Mar 2002 16:54:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 30948 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2002 16:39:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2002 16:39:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserver.nautel.com) (24.222.4.134) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2002 16:39:17 -0000 Received: FROM jeff-welton.nautel.com BY mailserver.nautel.com ; Tue Mar 19 12:39:45 2002 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020319123644.009f0080@192.168.1.16> X-Sender: jwelton@192.168.1.16 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:39:01 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Fw: [CRTECH] IBOC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Jeff Welton, Customer Service" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 > In a message dated 3/18/02 9:46:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, > kevtronics@yahoo.com writes: > > << And on the AM side, according to the engineer of one IBOC test > station that I talked to, it will only work on *non-directional* > stations using certain transmitter models, such as the Harris DX-10. > > This would leave out the majority of AM stations on the air today. This is probably reasonably accurate - our XL series transmitters currently being shipped are IBOC compatible, our older ND series and the original XL series transmitters are upgradeable, relatively economically, but for anything prior to 1990 - well, you're probably going to be looking at a new transmitter. Note that none of this is cast in stone at this time, as testing is still underway and we haven't really begun to look at some of the older models, but this does reflect the results of preliminary analysis. Regards, From raydtuner@yahoo.com Tue Mar 19 13:05:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: raydtuner@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 19 Mar 2002 21:05:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 71995 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2002 21:05:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2002 21:05:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2002 21:05:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2002 21:05:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:05:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: CFCO hi-power? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020319064140.79715.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 652 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "raydtuner" X-Originating-IP: 63.183.46.238 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92072182 X-Yahoo-Profile: raydtuner --- In amstereoforum@y..., Johnny Electron wrote: > Might want to skim by 630AM - CFCO tonight, as it appears that they > left the transmitter in the 'daytime' power position, so you might be > able to tune them in tonight if you usually don't! > 73's > > > __REPLY: I tuned CFCO last night and noticed unusually strong reception.(without stereo). In fact I came to this group today to see if anyone knew anything! RAY>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>_ _______________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage > http://sports.yahoo.com/ From raydtuner@yahoo.com Tue Mar 19 13:09:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: raydtuner@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 19 Mar 2002 21:09:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 77601 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2002 21:09:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2002 21:09:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2002 21:09:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2002 21:09:14 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:09:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: CFCO hi-power? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020319064140.79715.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 652 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "raydtuner" X-Originating-IP: 63.183.46.238 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92072182 X-Yahoo-Profile: raydtuner --- In amstereoforum@y..., Johnny Electron wrote: > Might want to skim by 630AM - CFCO tonight, as it appears that they > left the transmitter in the 'daytime' power position, so you might be > able to tune them in tonight if you usually don't! > 73's > > > __REPLY: I tuned CFCO last night and noticed unusually strong reception.(without stereo). In fact I came to this group today to see if anyone knew anything! RAY>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>_ _______________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage > http://sports.yahoo.com/ From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Mar 19 13:58:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 19 Mar 2002 21:58:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 32969 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2002 21:35:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2002 21:35:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2002 21:35:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2002 21:35:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:35:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Transmitter Electricity Usage Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020319122647.009e50e0@192.168.1.16> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1309 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.128 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Jeff Welton, Customer Service" wrote: > > Yeah, the XL60, running at full bore (66kW with 100% sine wave > modulation) only produces about 14.5 kW of waste heat. You > could have done the job with four tons of AC, but this would not > accommodate convection heating of the building or any other heat > loads inside. A ten ton unit will leave you _LOTS_ of breathing > room! > > Regards, Four tons of AC is a lot of cooling just to take care of the transmitter, the amount to cool a fair size house. I'm not a broadcast engineer but it would seem that it would be more effecient to use some kind of direct cooling maybe based on water. For those transmitters that are on large areas of land (antenna site) you could use cooling tubes buried in the ground, the kind that has been used for some houses. This has proved to be more effecient as the ground remains a more constant temperature and reduces the load on the compressor. Or maybe a cooling pond like what is used at some of the non-fossil/coal burning power plants. If enough tubes are buried you probably wouldn't need a compressor, only a pump to circulate the water. This would be quite a savings in electricity, not to having to run 4 tons of AC to dissipate just the transmitter heat. JSG From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Mar 19 13:59:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 19 Mar 2002 21:59:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 34089 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2002 21:35:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2002 21:35:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2002 21:35:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2002 21:35:53 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:35:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Transmitter Electricity Usage Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020319122647.009e50e0@192.168.1.16> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1309 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.128 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Jeff Welton, Customer Service" wrote: > > Yeah, the XL60, running at full bore (66kW with 100% sine wave > modulation) only produces about 14.5 kW of waste heat. You > could have done the job with four tons of AC, but this would not > accommodate convection heating of the building or any other heat > loads inside. A ten ton unit will leave you _LOTS_ of breathing > room! > > Regards, Four tons of AC is a lot of cooling just to take care of the transmitter, the amount to cool a fair size house. I'm not a broadcast engineer but it would seem that it would be more effecient to use some kind of direct cooling maybe based on water. For those transmitters that are on large areas of land (antenna site) you could use cooling tubes buried in the ground, the kind that has been used for some houses. This has proved to be more effecient as the ground remains a more constant temperature and reduces the load on the compressor. Or maybe a cooling pond like what is used at some of the non-fossil/coal burning power plants. If enough tubes are buried you probably wouldn't need a compressor, only a pump to circulate the water. This would be quite a savings in electricity, not to having to run 4 tons of AC to dissipate just the transmitter heat. JSG From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Mar 19 14:09:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 19 Mar 2002 22:09:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 32295 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2002 22:09:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2002 22:09:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2002 22:09:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2002 22:09:37 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:09:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Double Post Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 324 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.128 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst My last message seemed to have posted twice. When I clicked "Continue" after clicking the Post button then I got some cache error about being expired and presented me with a login screen so clicked backwards button and I think that made it post twice or maybe it's another Yahoo SNAFU. Anyway just ignore the 2nd one. JSG From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Mar 19 14:31:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 19 Mar 2002 22:31:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 1947 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2002 21:14:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2002 21:14:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2002 21:14:28 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.134]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:08:52 -0500 Message-ID: <002d01c1cf8a$41d50300$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CFCO hi-power? Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:08:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Oh no.... don't tell me CFCO went mono..... I cannot get them here in NY, as I am in a null. Johnny- What up??? CC ----- Original Message ----- From: raydtuner To: Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 4:05 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: CFCO hi-power? From rfinder@telusplanet.net Tue Mar 19 15:09:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rfinder@telusplanet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 19 Mar 2002 23:09:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 42582 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2002 22:17:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2002 22:17:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2002 22:17:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2002 22:17:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:17:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: CFCO hi-power? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 109 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "i2thesky2001" X-Originating-IP: 142.59.49.245 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Imagine the chaos if every 50 kW station in the continent left thier daytime patterns on all night at once. From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Mar 19 17:30:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 20 Mar 2002 01:30:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 921 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2002 01:30:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2002 01:30:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2002 01:30:38 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-190.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.190]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2K1UC0I017416 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:30:32 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <003b01c1cfaf$1ef0ab80$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020319122647.009e50e0@192.168.1.16> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Transmitter Electricity Usage Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:32:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Nautel ads could now feature Jeff Welton as the "Maytag repairman of the transmitter industry." :) Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Welton, Customer Service > Yeah....I'd heard that somewhere - we don't get a lot of calls on > that rig! I thought at least that you'd call now and again to say > hello (I'm sooo lonely...... ;-(.....) From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Mar 19 17:39:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 20 Mar 2002 01:39:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 11216 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2002 01:39:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2002 01:39:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2002 01:39:15 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-190.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.190]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2K1ct0I018934 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:39:08 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <006b01c1cfb0$52cf5e00$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Greg Labs Processor Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:41:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Russ, You could always try posting to the RadioTech forum at www.broadcast.net and see if any of the engineers have one lying around. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: rjskadl > > I need some help here tracking down a copy of the manual for the Greg > Labs AM processor box. From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Tue Mar 19 17:46:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 20 Mar 2002 01:46:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 79905 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2002 01:46:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2002 01:46:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2002 01:46:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2002 01:45:54 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 01:45:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: CFCO hi-power? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002d01c1cf8a$41d50300$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 532 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.174.154.109 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 I can CONFIRM that CFCO is indeed still in STEREO!!!! I get it locally daytime at and at night. They are commited to Stereo until the final days! Thanks, Matt Hawthorne --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Christopher Cuff" wrote: > Oh no.... don't tell me CFCO went mono..... I cannot get them here in NY, as > I am in a null. Johnny- What up??? > CC > ----- Original Message ----- > From: raydtuner > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 4:05 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: CFCO hi-power? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Mar 19 18:36:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 20 Mar 2002 02:36:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 3499 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2002 02:36:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2002 02:36:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2002 02:36:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2002 02:36:22 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 02:36:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Wanted: FTP server space Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1417 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Announce: yes From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.59 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics The www.AMStereoRadio.com web site is currently storing a large amount of MP3 recordings and other files on FTP server space provided by the National Radio Club (via their "NRCDXAS" server). However, since this was created in association with the now-defunct NRCDXAS AM Stereo mailing list, the server space will soon be shut down as well. Thus, we are in need of web-accessible FTP server space to move these files to. The data is not going to fit into a typical 20-meg free web site (GeoCities, Tripod, etc.), and although I have a few independent servers available, they both get angry if I store too many files and/or if the data transfer rate is too high. So, if anybody has free FTP server space available, that can be set up to be accessed via the Web (HTTP address instead of FTP address), please contact me privately at kevtronics@yahoo.com. I have almost all of the contents of the NRCDXAS server stored on my computer's hard drive, except for most of the Australian recordings and also most of the WMNI recordings. So take a look through the directories at: http://www.nrcdxas.org/amstereo/ and if there are any files in /Pacific/Australia or /NAmerica/USA/8 that people do not have on their hard drives already, please download them so that they can be stored and later re-uploaded to the new server (if/when one becomes available). Kevin Tekel Webmaster, www.AMStereoRadio.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Mar 19 21:28:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 20 Mar 2002 05:27:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 38070 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2002 05:27:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2002 05:27:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2002 05:27:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20020320052759.22569.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.162.18.173] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:27:59 PST Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:27:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: Dick Smith AM stereo kit ? / Yahoo conking out To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio In response to: "amstereofan" <1377.3mp@start.com.au>: Yes there was indeed a Dick Smith Electronics AM Stereo Kit. I ordered one and built it in the 80's. It featured the MC13020P AMS chip and had a double pilot decoder for both Motorola C-Quam and Harris AMS systems. It cautioned you not to connect to a radio with valves (tubes) or cheap junk without a decent bandwidth. It was quite large (about 5" x 7") compared to Chris Cuff's masterpiece which is less than 2" x 2". In response to: "Yahoo not sending all messages:" The Feds/US Attorney General took over all Yahoo groups over the weekend to conduct their dragnet and make 90 arrests. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ From smpoole7@bellsouth.net Tue Mar 19 22:11:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: smpoole7@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 20 Mar 2002 06:11:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 89411 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2002 06:11:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2002 06:11:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2002 06:11:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2002 06:11:16 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 06:11:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Transmitter Electricity Usage Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2869 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "professorpoole" X-Originating-IP: 209.214.104.181 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25309165 X-Yahoo-Profile: professorpoole > Four tons of AC is a lot of cooling just to take care of the > transmitter, the amount to cool a fair size house. I'm not a > broadcast engineer but it would seem that it would be more > effecient to use some kind of direct cooling maybe based on > water. You'd win on the apples, but lose BIG on the bananas. Some old tube units were water-cooled (or at least had that option), but were the size of house trailers. Take a look at our XL60 (and our site in general): http://www.jediknight.com/~smpoole/wyde.html Imagine how much larger he'd be if we had to add water cooling. Each of those modules puts out roughly 6Kw, and the transistors are packed in there pretty tight. Jeff can correct me on this, but a first-cut estimate would be that they'd have to be at LEAST 3-4 times larger to accomodate water cooling. (The XL60 is so efficient, it uses little "boxer"-type fans for cooling!) You'd need a much larger building. Calculate that at about $50-60 a foot. Now add water lines in and out of the building, antifreeze for cold weather, pumps, radiators, etc., etc. -- you've increased the cost dramatically. Like I said, some old tube units were water cooled. We (meaning engineers in general) *RAN* from that the first chance we had. Air cooling is cheaper, more efficient and just plain easier overall. > This would be quite a savings in electricity, not to having to > run 4 tons of AC to dissipate just the transmitter heat. Even if we ignored the costs for plumbing, the larger building, etc., the fact is, the amount of energy drawn by the AC is only a fraction of that drawn by the transmitter at full power. Finally, you'd better check with your local authorities before using that ground water scheme. It drives the environmentalists insane, and many localities have passed laws against it now. You can't cheat physics: if you keep pumping 10Kw of waste heat energy into the ground, it's eventually going to heat up (dirt is an insulator, not a conductor), so you'd have to go to some form of active cooling, anyway. (This can be, and has been, demonstrated. Have mercy, we're talking THERMODYNAMICS here![g]) People often misunderstand the economies of scale involved in things like this. To give you an idea, when I told the construction crew to enclose (well, "face") the transmitter with that middle wall, one of the wiseguys gave me a knowing grin. "Hope you never have to move it!" I said, "(A), we won't, and (B), when we eventually replace it many years from now, I will hire someone like you to tear the wall out and build a new one." He couldn't understand that, but the fact was, what he was charging me to build that wall was PEANUTS compared to the value of the transmitter. The same type of thinking goes in here. You have to calculate ALL costs -- building size, total energy consumption, etc. From jwelton@nautel.com Wed Mar 20 08:31:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 20 Mar 2002 16:31:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 15003 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2002 16:31:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2002 16:31:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserver.nautel.com) (24.222.4.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2002 16:31:50 -0000 Received: FROM jeff-welton BY mailserver.nautel.com ; Wed Mar 20 12:32:16 2002 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:31:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Greg Labs Processor Message-ID: <3C988125.15363.3B4469@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body From: "Jeff Welton" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 > You could always try posting to the RadioTech forum at > www.broadcast.net and see if any of the engineers have one lying > around. Alternately, you might email Greg Ogonowski directly, at greg@orban.com (additional contact info at www.orban.com under the "contact" tab, Executive Department) - the possibility exists that he'd still have some info on that unit. Regards, Jeff Welton Nautel Customer Service Dept. Tel.: 1-902-823-3900 ext. 127 Fax: 1-902-823-3183 email: jwelton@nautel.com From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Wed Mar 20 08:37:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 20 Mar 2002 16:37:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 98135 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2002 16:37:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2002 16:37:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2002 16:37:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2002 16:37:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:37:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Canadian update Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2771 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.132.207.143 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 CONFIRMED Canada AB Calgary 770 CHQR Canada AB Calgary 1060 CKMX Canada AB Edmonton 880 CHQT Canada AB Edmonton 1260 CFRN Canada BC New Westminister 980 CKNW Canada BC Prince George 620 CJCI Canada BC Vancouver 600 CKBD Canada BC Vancouver 730 CJNW Canada BC Vancouver 1320 CHMB Canada BC Vancouver 1410 CFUN Canada BC Victoria 1070 CFAX Canada MB Winnipeg 1290 CFST Canada NS Antigonish 580 CJFX Canada NS Halifax 920 CJCH Canada NS Yarmouth 1340 CJLS Canada ON Belleville 800 CJBQ Canada ON Chatham 630 CFCO Canada ON Ottawa 580 CFRA Canada ON Sudbury 790 CIGM Canada QC Montreal 990 CKGM Canada SK Melfort 750 CKJH Canada SK Moose Jaw 800 CHAB Canada SK Yorkton 940 CJGX YET TO BE CONFIRMED - MOST LIKELY Canada BC Kelowna 630 CKOV Canada BC Victoria 900 CKMO Canada NF Corner Brook 570 CFCB Canada NF St John's 590 VOCM QUESTIONABLE STATUS Canada ON Kingston 1380 CKLC Canada ON Kitchener 1090 CKKW Canada ON Oshawa 1350 CKDO Canada ON Thunder Bay 580 CKPR Canada ON Toronto 1430 CKHT Canada ON Toronto 1540 CHIN Canada QC Montreal 800 CJAD NO LONGER - MONO ONLY Canada AB Calgary 660 CFFR Former Canada AB Calgary 960 CFAC Former Canada AB Canmore 790 CFCW Former Canada AB Drumheller 910 CKDQ Former Canada AB Edmonton 630 CHED Former Canada AB Edmonton 930 CJCA Former Canada AB Grande Prairie 840 CJXX Defunct Canada AB High River 1140 CHRB Former Canada AB Red Deer 700 CKRD Defunct Canada AB Red Deer 1170 CKGY Defunct Canada BC Richmond 650 CISL Former Canada BC Vancouver 1040 CKST Former Canada BC Vancouver 1130 CKWX Former Canada BC Vancouver 1470 CJVB Canada BC Victoria 1200 CKXM Defunct Canada MB Winnipeg 580 CKY Former Canada MB Winnipeg 680 CJOB Former Canada NB Fredericton 1260 CKHJ Former Canada NB Moncton 1220 CKCW Defunct Canada NB Saint John 700 CHSJ Defunct Canada NS Bridgewater 1000 CKBW Former Canada NS Dartmouth 780 CFDR Former Canada NS Halifax 960 CHNS Former Canada NS Sydney 1270 CJCB Former Canada ON Fort Erie 530 CJFT Defunct Canada ON Hamilton 820 CHAM Former Canada ON Hamilton 900 CHML Former Canada ON Hamilton 1050 CKOC Former Canada ON Kingston 960 CFFX Former Canada ON London 980 CFPL Former Canada ON London 1410 CKSL Former Canada ON Ottawa 1200 CFGO Former Canada ON Ottawa 1250 CBOF Defunct Canada ON Ottawa 1310 CIWW Former Canada ON Richmond Hill 640 CFYI Former Canada ON Sarnia 1070 CHOK Former Canada ON Sarnia 1110 CKTY Defunct Canada ON Sudbury 550 CHNO Defunct Canada ON Toronto 680 CFTR Former Canada ON Toronto 1010 CFRB Former Canada ON Toronto 1050 CHUM Former Canada ON Welland 1370 CHOO Defunct Canada ON Windsor 800 CKLW Former Canada SK Regina 620 CKRM Canada SK Regina 980 CJME ? 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Mar 20 12:08:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 20 Mar 2002 20:08:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 96189 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2002 20:08:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2002 20:08:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2002 20:08:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2002 20:08:00 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 20:07:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Canadian update Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 485 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.185 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Canada NS Bridgewater 1000 CKBW Former I believe CKBW is about to shut down their AM transmitter if they haven't already. People were surprised when I visited Nova Scotia last summer and found CKBW-1000 to still be on the air. That is a shame because they have/had the best coverage of any AM station in NS. While driving along the coast I could hear them all the way from Halifax to Yarmouth and it far exceeded the coverage of any of the FM transmitters CKBW is also on. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Mar 20 12:15:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 20 Mar 2002 20:15:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 28662 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2002 20:15:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2002 20:15:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2002 20:15:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2002 20:14:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 20:14:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: CFCO hi-power? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 218 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.185 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics 630 CFCO must have been at daytime power level last night, as I could hear them clearly and in full Stereo here in New Jersey. They were fading in and out, but when they were "in" the sound quality was excellent. From jwelton@nautel.com Wed Mar 20 12:30:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 20 Mar 2002 20:30:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 56809 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2002 20:30:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2002 20:30:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserver.nautel.com) (24.222.4.134) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2002 20:30:04 -0000 Received: FROM jeff-welton BY mailserver.nautel.com ; Wed Mar 20 16:30:30 2002 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:29:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Canadian update Message-ID: <3C98B8FA.12468.115671F@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body From: "Jeff Welton" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 > > Canada NS Bridgewater 1000 CKBW Former > > I believe CKBW is about to shut down their AM transmitter if they > haven't already. CKBW just turned on a Nautel FM10 at 98.1 MHz - and shut the AM off (last week I believe). At last word, the AMPFET 10 they were using on 1000 (the old CHSJ transmitter, FWIW) was already sold. Regards, Jeff Welton Nautel Customer Service Dept. Tel.: 1-902-823-3900 ext. 127 Fax: 1-902-823-3183 email: jwelton@nautel.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Mar 20 13:28:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 20 Mar 2002 21:28:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 51998 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2002 21:28:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2002 21:28:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2002 21:28:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2002 21:28:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 21:27:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Carver TX-11a on eBay Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 160 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.185 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics These used to be on eBay very frequently, but this is the first one I've seen in a long time: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1340155437 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Mar 20 18:36:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 21 Mar 2002 02:36:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 25360 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2002 02:36:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2002 02:36:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2002 02:36:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2002 02:36:17 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 02:36:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Yahoo problems(?) Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 774 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Announce: yes From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.185 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I think Yahoo is still having goof-ups with its e-mail processing, so if it appears that your messages are not going through or are coming back to you much delayed or out of order, I recommend you visit the AM Stereo Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum The web interface always seems to be up-to-date and working correctly so it is a safe bet to use. You can post a message there and you will usually see it show up in the message archives almost instantly. I am sending this message out as a Special Announcement, just to check how fast it comes back to me via e-mail. I sent another one out a day or two ago (about the www.AMStereoRadio.com site looking for an FTP server) and it still hasn't gotten back to me in my email box! From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Mar 20 22:23:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 21 Mar 2002 06:23:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 4836 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2002 06:23:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2002 06:23:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14206.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2002 06:23:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20020321062349.88757.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.162.18.173] by web14206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 22:23:49 PST Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 22:23:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: Testing IBOC @ 950AM Detroit? To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Newsradio WWJ-950KHz Detroit "could" possibly be testing IBOC because: 1) They just put in a brand-new transmitter plant, a new load of towers, and upped their power substantially. 2) They sound like crap, so due to their horrific frequency response (even for voice) they could have the IBOC 'chop'em' filters installed. We have a hard enough time convincing stations to use C-Quam on AM music stations, how in the heck can you justify IBOC megabucks on a news outfit only? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ From smpoole7@bellsouth.net Thu Mar 21 05:34:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: smpoole7@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 21 Mar 2002 13:34:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 45769 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2002 13:34:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2002 13:34:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2002 13:34:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2002 13:34:40 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 13:34:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: By the way, jsgilst ... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 257 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "professorpoole" X-Originating-IP: 209.214.105.173 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25309165 X-Yahoo-Profile: professorpoole I did NOT mean to lecture you like that. Sometimes I get on a roll ... :) (sigh) (can you tell I used to teach electronics? My wife says I have a tendency to lecture the cats here. One of them threatened to poop on my keyboard if I didn't quit.[g]) From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu Mar 21 11:04:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 21 Mar 2002 19:04:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 66939 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2002 19:04:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2002 19:04:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2002 19:04:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2002 19:04:18 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:04:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Webcast about Internet Streaming Royalties Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 490 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.236 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst There is an interesting interview about royalty payments that radio stations and webcasters have to pay in order to play music at: http://www.thelinuxshow.com The 1st part of the interview is about the M$ DOJ case which is interesting also. The first three minutes is music so you think you are listening to a music station but the interview will eventually start. The interview is about 1hr 45min long. March 19, 2002 http://www.thelinuxshow.com/archives/2002/tls-03-19-2002.mp3 JSG From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu Mar 21 11:17:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 21 Mar 2002 19:17:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 3802 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2002 19:17:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2002 19:17:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2002 19:17:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2002 19:17:52 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:17:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: By the way, jsgilst ... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 592 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.236 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "professorpoole" wrote: > I did NOT mean to lecture you like that. Sometimes I get on a roll > ... :) > > (sigh) > > (can you tell I used to teach electronics? My wife says I have a > tendency to lecture the cats here. One of them threatened to poop on > my keyboard if I didn't quit.[g]) Yea, I eperience rolls also. ;-) I bruoght the idea up because here in SE Texas your AC bill can run $500/mo during summer for a fair size house. I could buy a lot of stuff with this although this may be a drop in the bucket for radio stations. JSG From amfmdx@fastq.com Thu Mar 21 11:34:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 21 Mar 2002 19:34:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 12366 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2002 19:34:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2002 19:34:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2002 19:34:18 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d167-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.199]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g2LJYHn72732 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 12:34:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <004601c1d10f$21162aa0$c7f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: By the way, jsgilst ... Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 12:32:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 > I bruoght the idea up because here in SE Texas your AC bill > can run $500/mo during summer for a fair size house. ROTFLMAO! Think about Arizona with its legendary 120 degree days. Heck, I remember days of almost 125 and it was too hot for the planes to take off from the Phoenix airport. There are times when a $500 AC bill here would be a relief in the summer! Kevin Mesa, Arizona From KC4QLP@aol.com Thu Mar 21 14:10:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 21 Mar 2002 22:10:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 93471 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2002 22:10:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2002 22:10:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.4) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2002 22:10:32 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.f2.18a08c0a (1320) for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:10:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:10:18 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: By the way, jsgilst ... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 3/21/02 2:20:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, jsgil@hal-pc.org writes: << Yea, I eperience rolls also. ;-) I bruoght the idea up because here in SE Texas your AC bill can run $500/mo during summer for a fair size house. I could buy a lot of stuff with this although this may be a drop in the bucket for radio stations. JSG >> That figure is just a few hundred dollars below what the electric bill run here at WGAI {$700-800 a month}. Of course at home depending on the weather..my bill could run from $120 to $280 dollars a month. Of course my city entered into a stupid agreement 25 years ago with some nuclear power plants that have really never done what they were said they would do. Now 30 some odd citiies across Eastern NC are paying some of the highest electric rates in the nation! Thats the government at work for ya!What royal screw ups they are..from the local burearats to the nations capitol! Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Mar 21 14:12:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 21 Mar 2002 22:12:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 60127 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2002 22:12:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2002 22:12:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14201.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.143) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2002 22:12:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20020321221241.73874.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 14:12:41 PST Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 14:12:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: Clarion AM $tereo car radio / Canada AM Stereo To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I had one of these in my '85 Chevy - boy, there sure was a s**tload of AMS back then. Very good selectivity, but at the price of a fairly small bandwidth compared to the UX1. Does have a 'wide' bandwidth pb, and it does have RCA jacks out, so it would be good going into a amplifier or recorder. I think it had Dolby 'C' and 'B'. re: CFCO - imagine this - their stereo STL crapped-out, and they fixed it - Wow - a station that actually cares about decent sound quality! They were in mono for only 2 days while they made the repairs to the STL feedline; and they were surprised I caught it, as they left the stereo pilot on while they did the repair. They have both a stereo STL and their old Mono one. Wow, a station with decent backups. Why can't more stations be like this? They are in pristine stereo again. Boy, I couldn't believe the Canadian defector listing. Many have gone FM, or just too lazy for a stereo STL. Probably a lot of exciters to go around! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ From raydtuner@yahoo.com Thu Mar 21 14:26:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: raydtuner@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 21 Mar 2002 22:26:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 28984 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2002 22:26:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2002 22:26:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2002 22:26:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2002 22:26:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 22:26:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Testing IBOC @ 950AM Detroit? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020321062349.88757.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 939 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "raydtuner" X-Originating-IP: 63.183.47.246 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92072182 X-Yahoo-Profile: raydtuner --- In amstereoforum@y..., Johnny Electron =20 wrote: > Newsradio WWJ-950KHz Detroit "could" possibly be testing IBOC > because: > 1) They just put in a brand-new transmitter plant, a new load of > towers, and upped their power substantially.=20 > 2) They sound like crap, so due to their horrific frequency response > (even for voice) they could have the IBOC 'chop'em' filters > installed. >=20 > We have a hard enough time convincing stations to use C-Quam on AM > music stations, how in the heck can you justify IBOC megabucks on a > news outfit only? >=20 > REPLY: They are terrible sounding here in C-Town, where CKLW,WJR=20 and many ON. stations are easily listenable ,even in city traffic.I=20 even get 1660 WQSN Kalamazoo better than them.RAY>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards=AE > http://movies.yahoo.com/ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Mar 21 15:11:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 21 Mar 2002 23:11:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 99931 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2002 23:11:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2002 23:11:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14206.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2002 23:11:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20020321231149.67287.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.162.18.173] by web14206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 15:11:49 PST Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 15:11:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: amstereoradio.com fees? To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio How much would we need to raise to keep the amstereoradio.com name going? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ From KC4QLP@aol.com Thu Mar 21 15:20:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 21 Mar 2002 23:20:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 31158 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2002 23:20:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2002 23:20:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.8) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2002 23:20:14 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id a.8.2342b3f9 (1320) for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 18:18:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8.2342b3f9.29cbc45c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 18:18:52 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} amstereoradio.com fees? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 3/21/02 6:13:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, toledohamradio@yahoo.com writes: << How much would we need to raise to keep the amstereoradio.com name going? >> As I look into my checkbook,....it cost me $70.00 to renew wgai560am.com for a three year period from Network Solutions. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! 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Every AM Station in the Greater Toronto-Hamilton=20 market was broadcasting AMS with the exception of the CBC/SRC=20 stations. Actually AM is quickly dissappearing in Canada especially=20 the independent local stations that have been moving to FM. Toronto=20 is probably the only city that has all of its original AM stations=20 left minus CBC R1 which moved to FM and still broadcasts in MONO! Also CKMO-900 Victoria and CKST-1040 Vancouver are no longer=20 broadcasting AMS. CKMO had a land line failure and it was too costly=20 to fix both. Since they are a non-profit station the costs were too=20 prohibitive for them to fix it. If anybody wants to buy the exciter=20 contact them. This just happened recently. CKST's exciter failed and=20 they are not fixing it. Thanks, Matt H > re: CFCO - imagine this - their stereo STL crapped-out, and they > fixed it - Wow - a station that actually cares about decent sound > quality! They were in mono for only 2 days while they made the > repairs to the STL feedline; and they were surprised I caught it, as > they left the stereo pilot on while they did the repair. They have > both a stereo STL and their old Mono one. Wow, a station with=20 decent > backups. Why can't more stations be like this? They are in=20 pristine > stereo again. >=20 > Boy, I couldn't believe the Canadian defector listing. Many have > gone FM, or just too lazy for a stereo STL. Probably a lot of > exciters to go around! >=20=20 >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards=AE > http://movies.yahoo.com/ From matthew.trim@eds.com Thu Mar 21 16:33:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 22 Mar 2002 00:33:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 34260 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2002 00:33:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2002 00:33:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns5.eds.com) (203.17.185.230) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2002 00:33:27 -0000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com (nnsy-3.eds.com [192.168.1.1]) by ns5.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g2M0XFR24055 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:33:21 +1100 (EST) Received: from nnsy.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2M0XDZ11397 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:33:14 +1100 (EST) Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2M0XDk11388 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:33:13 +1100 (EST) Received: by AUSYM000 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:32:37 +1100 Message-ID: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542803F52F0C@AUSYM200> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} amstereoradio.com fees? Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:32:38 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 I can do it for $US8.95 per year. I'm registered with http://www.enom.com (discount domain registrations) :) -----Original Message----- From: KC4QLP@aol.com [mailto:KC4QLP@aol.com] Sent: Friday, 22 March 2002 9:19 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} amstereoradio.com fees? In a message dated 3/21/02 6:13:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, toledohamradio@yahoo.com writes: << How much would we need to raise to keep the amstereoradio.com name going? >> As I look into my checkbook,....it cost me $70.00 to renew wgai560am.com for a three year period from Network Solutions. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From 1377.3mp@start.com.au Thu Mar 21 17:09:10 2002 Return-Path: <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Sender: 1377.3mp@start.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 22 Mar 2002 01:09:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 17232 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2002 01:09:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2002 01:09:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2002 01:09:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2002 01:09:05 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 01:09:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: France Bleu in MONO :-( Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 208 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Originating-IP: 213.121.68.170 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69495942 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan For any UK readers (I'm probably the only one) Just listened tonight (UK) and notice for the first time France Bleu is in MONO. Don't listen too often so not sure how long for. Hope it's not permanant... From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Mar 21 17:16:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 22 Mar 2002 01:16:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 46450 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2002 01:16:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2002 01:16:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2002 01:16:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2002 01:16:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 01:16:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: amstereoradio.com fees? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542803F52F0C@AUSYM200> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 845 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.175 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I can do it for $US8.95 per year. > I'm registered with http://www.enom.com (discount domain > registrations) I got this address at no charge from Freeservers.com: http://www.amstereo.s5.com/ It is already set up as a redirector to the "www.AMStereoRadio.com" content on my server. Note that the "www." is optional; this also works: http://amstereo.s5.com/ Don't ask me what the "s5" stands for. I just randomly picked it out of a list of available sub-domains which also included "8m.com", "8m.net", "8k.com", "4t.com", "4mg.com", "gq.nu", as well as other longer sub-domain names. In any event, for consistency it would be best to keep www.AMStereoRadio.com, and US$8.95 per year is very reasonable if it gives you a site free from banner ads, pop-up ads, file size limits, or other nonsense typical of the free servers. From jwelton@nautel.com Thu Mar 21 17:22:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: JEFF@[192.168.1.18] X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 22 Mar 2002 01:22:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 71170 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2002 01:22:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2002 01:22:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserver.nautel.com) (24.222.4.134) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2002 01:22:34 -0000 Received: FROM [192.168.1.18] BY mailserver.nautel.com ; Thu Mar 21 21:22:21 2002 -0400 Received: from Spooler by [192.168.1.18] (Mercury/32 v3.21c) ID MO000097; 21 Mar 02 21:21:44 -0400 Received: from spooler by [192.168.1.18] (Mercury/32 v3.21c); 19 Mar 02 11:39:31 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 11:38:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC test stations Message-ID: <3C972343.116.9FB00D@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) X-eGroups-From: "Jeff Welton" From: "Jeff Welton" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 > "Ibiquity" claims the following stations are testing IBOC digital: > Test stations include: If WAMU-FM is IBOC testing, they are using high level combining, as their transmitter won't support low level IBOC insertion. KABL's transmitter, as shipped, won't support IBOC, and we haven't been asked for the upgrade kit for it. WILC's transmitter is fully IBOC capable and was supplied for that purpose. Beyond that, I can't comment! Regards, Jeff Welton Nautel Customer Service Dept. Tel.: 1-902-823-3900 ext. 127 Fax: 1-902-823-3183 email: jwelton@nautel.com From amfmguy@yahoo.com Thu Mar 21 17:34:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmguy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 22 Mar 2002 01:34:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 24154 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2002 01:34:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2002 01:34:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2002 01:34:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2002 01:34:03 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 01:33:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: The Fanfare FTA-100 FM/AM-stereo monitor Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1122 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amfmguy" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.233.182 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97335768 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy Hi guys: Perhaps Chris has mentioned to you that we have been working on a high-end monitor for broadcast work and for good ole listening. Well, after a week of successful shakedown, the first units are being shipped next week. Just so you know, one of the main reasons why we went ahead with the design and build was because I believe that AM, and hopefuly AM- stereo still has legs ... even moreso now that IBOC has become such a question mark. Another reason is that the unit is designed to cover as a test component for the broadcast industry as well. It has adjustable Composite Output for FM and +6dB balanced O/Ps. It will shortly have Carrier Sense and an RS232 Data I/O. While an MSL of $1,895. places it a little out of reach of the masses, it is a well made, high performance piece that can endure many hardships in translator or remote service. From that perspective, its cost-effectiveness becomes a little more obvious. The AM section is discrete and utilizes a proprietary ATS front end with the full Motorola AMAX chipset. If you have any further questions, please contact me by Email. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Mar 21 17:37:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 22 Mar 2002 01:37:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 39978 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2002 01:37:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2002 01:37:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2002 01:37:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2002 01:37:18 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 01:37:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: France Bleu in MONO :-( Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3426 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.175 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Just listened tonight (UK) and notice for the first time France Bleu > is in MONO. Don't listen too often so not sure how long for. Hope > it's not permanant... Are they totally mono, or still transmitting a 25 Hz pilot tone with mono audio? (You will need a non-"forced" Stereo receiver to check this, not a Sony which stays in Stereo mode all the time.) The Stereo on 864 kHz France Bleu has always been considered an "experimental" operation, designed to test the effectiveness of C-Quam AM Stereo in Europe, so you can at least be thankful they kept it on for so long. Also, in the past there have been period when France Bleu (a.k.a. Radio Bleue) switched back to mono for over a year, but then switched back to Stereo. Here is the info from one web site, as computer-translated into English: ==================================================================== September 12, 1995, the Higher Council of Audio-visual (CSA) authorizes Radio France to carry out an experimental diffusion STEREO in amplitude modulation, starting from the transmitter of Villebon on Yvette, in the Essonne, used by Blue the Radio program. The standard of emission will be that the most used in the United States: the C-quam system, developped at the point by Motorola. Radio Bleue however had announced this possibility of emitting out of AM STEREO since 1993. TDF installs the stereo transmitter in July 1996. With this occasion the Council indicated: "the introduction of such a system will involve difficulties for the management of the frequencies. Indeed, the band of the hectometric waves is used intensively in Europe, with a spacing between the channels of 9 Khz, variation imposed by the plan of Geneva of 1975. However, to ensure a stereophonic service, the C-quam system requires channels of 12 minimum Khz". The stereo emissions will be diffused in a sporadic way until June 27, 1998. However it was noted their return, at the beginning of September 1999. This transmitter is exceptional and perhaps single in Europe, stereo AM being mainly used in North America and Australia. Since September 4, 2000, Blue Radio became France Blue and diffuses 24 H/24. The stereo AM emissions C-quam continue regularly, since this date, on the Parisian transmitter (last checking carried out on March 9, 2002). ==================================================================== The mention of the "12 kHz minimum bandwidth" is just an exaggerated way of saying that for the best Stereo separation quality, the C-Quam system recommends a minimum audio bandwidth of 6 kHz (which equals an RF bandwidth of 12 kHz). Continental Europe uses an AM audio bandwidth of 4.5 kHz (to cut down on adjacent channel interference) which still works fine for C-Quam but the Stereo separation is not as wide as it could be. This info is from: http://myweb.worldnet.net/~tvignaud/am/rbleue/rbleue.htm and its author can be contacted at: thierry.vignaud@laposte.net If he can understand your English maybe he can update you on the Stereo status of France Bleu. France Bleu itself also has a web site (in French) at: http://www.radio-france.fr/sites/france-bleu/sommaire/ p.s. Do you have a Longwave receiver? Since the demise of Ireland's "Atlantic 252" pop music format (in favour of a Sports format) I'm just wondering if there's anything still worth listening to on LW in Western Europe. From matthew.trim@eds.com Thu Mar 21 17:46:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 22 Mar 2002 01:46:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 2290 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2002 01:46:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2002 01:46:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns5.eds.com) (203.17.185.230) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2002 01:46:40 -0000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com (nnsy-3.eds.com [192.168.1.1]) by ns5.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g2M1kKR05857 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:46:25 +1100 (EST) Received: from nnsy.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2M1kJZ08563 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:46:19 +1100 (EST) Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2M1kIk08557 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:46:18 +1100 (EST) Received: by AUSYM000 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:45:41 +1100 Message-ID: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542803F52F0D@AUSYM200> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} The Fanfare FTA-100 FM/AM-stereo monitor Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:45:43 +1100 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Any special discounts available for the AMS list subscribers? :) -----Original Message----- From: amfmguy [mailto:amfmguy@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, 22 March 2002 11:34 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} The Fanfare FTA-100 FM/AM-stereo monitor While an MSL of $1,895. places it a little out of reach of the masses, it is a well made, high performance piece that can endure many hardships in translator or remote service. From that perspective, its cost-effectiveness becomes a little more obvious. From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Mar 21 17:58:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 22 Mar 2002 01:58:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 91574 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2002 01:58:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2002 01:58:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2002 01:58:24 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-196.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.196]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2M1wE0I010815 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:58:15 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <004701c1d145$589394a0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Testing IBOC @ 950AM Detroit? Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:00:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude This is where we get our chance to sink IBOC- by calling/writing/emailing whatever station we think might be using it and complaining about how bad they sound. I think we've been over this one before on WWJ and they're not using IBOC. The bad reception is all the new nulls from their larger array. There are a number of stations who's power upgrades have caused substantially worse signals in their coverage areas and this is probably one of them. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: raydtuner > --- In amstereoforum@y..., Johnny Electron > wrote: > > Newsradio WWJ-950KHz Detroit "could" possibly be testing IBOC > > because: > > 1) They just put in a brand-new transmitter plant, a new load of > > towers, and upped their power substantially. > > 2) They sound like crap, so due to their horrific frequency response > > (even for voice) they could have the IBOC 'chop'em' filters > > installed. > > REPLY: They are terrible sounding here in C-Town, where CKLW,WJR > and many ON. stations are easily listenable ,even in city traffic.I > even get 1660 WQSN Kalamazoo better than them.RAY>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Mar 21 18:04:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 22 Mar 2002 02:04:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 4784 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2002 02:04:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2002 02:04:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2002 02:04:39 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-196.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.196]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2M24T0I011968 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:04:30 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <005301c1d146$382d66e0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Canada AM Stereo Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:06:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Matt and any other Canadian members- if you know of an AM station that has moved to FM or is no longer stereo, PLEASE try to get some contact info- phone number, email, whatever, and I'll try to contact as many of them as possible. I've already contacted two and need to make another attempt at the third station. Somehow we're gonna shake one or more of these loose. In the mean time, we need to brainstorm some more about how we're going to get sufficient receivers made. It won't do a lot of good to get these exciters to other stations if nobody can hear the stereo. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: matt_haw2000 > Also CKMO-900 Victoria and CKST-1040 Vancouver are no longer > broadcasting AMS. CKMO had a land line failure and it was too costly > to fix both. Since they are a non-profit station the costs were too > prohibitive for them to fix it. If anybody wants to buy the exciter > contact them. This just happened recently. CKST's exciter failed and > they are not fixing it. From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Mar 21 18:09:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 22 Mar 2002 02:09:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 5377 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2002 02:09:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2002 02:09:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2002 02:09:39 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-196.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.196]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2M29S0I012772 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:09:30 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <006301c1d146$eacb6a40$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} The Fanfare FTA-100 FM/AM-stereo monitor Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:11:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude That's great news. Any chance you can design a more pedestrian model for the masses? It would only have to be good, not perfect. (I used to work at PSE in Richfield many years ago, so I'm familiar with the mindset of the high end designers:) ) Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: amfmguy > Perhaps Chris has mentioned to you that we have been working on a > high-end monitor for broadcast work and for good ole listening. > > Well, after a week of successful shakedown, the first units are being > shipped next week. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu Mar 21 18:22:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 22 Mar 2002 02:22:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 76708 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2002 02:22:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2002 02:22:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2002 02:22:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2002 02:22:34 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 02:22:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} The Fanfare FTA-100 FM/AM-stereo monitor Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006301c1d146$eacb6a40$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 873 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.131.98 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Scott Todd" wrote: > That's great news. Any chance you can design a more pedestrian model for > the masses? It would only have to be good, not perfect. (I used to work at > PSE in Richfield many years ago, so I'm familiar with the mindset of the > high end designers:) ) > > Scott Todd > That would be nice if they would. Their monitor uses the AMAX chipset that has noise blanking. From what I understand Motorola didn't manufacture many of them and I think Fanfare was working closely with Motorola and Fanfare was able to secure a supply of them for their studio monitors before the massive cuts at Motorola. They may or may not have a large enough supply of them to also do a mass produced consumer model. They could always use the MC13022 without noise blanking but having the noise blanking would be nice. JSG From KC4QLP@aol.com Thu Mar 21 18:31:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 22 Mar 2002 02:31:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 12865 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2002 02:31:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2002 02:31:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2002 02:31:34 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 1.a8.8883d1e (3846) for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:31:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:31:25 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} amstereoradio.com fees? 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I'm registered with http://www.enom.com (discount domain registrations) :) >> Thats an even better deal.! ...hey..where were you when I needed a discount last November? lol =-) Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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I think AMAX should have only required noise blanking for car radios, not also for home tuners. In a home environment, it usually isn't that hard to reduce or eliminate the types of interference that noise blanking is effective against. Just getting rid of any lamps with dimmer switches gets rid of 90% of the causes of this type of RFI. However, when you're driving, you can't exactly stop and fix any noisy power lines or transformers that you may be driving by, so thus noise blanking makes sense in a car radio. More useful than noise blanking in a home receiver would be Dynamic Noise Reduction (DNR), like the kind made by National Semiconductor. DNR gets rid of the background hiss on weaker signals without muffling the treble response. I have several radios with DNR and it works great on everything -- AM, FM, and cassette. Most Delco car radios with AM Stereo have DNR that is on all the time, hence the "Auto DNR" logo on the faceplate, while some other radios have a switch to turn it on or off. For being a passive system (i.e. no special encoding of the source material), DNR works amazingly well. From smpoole7@bellsouth.net Thu Mar 21 19:08:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: smpoole7@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 22 Mar 2002 03:08:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 79474 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2002 03:08:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2002 03:08:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2002 03:08:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2002 03:08:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 03:08:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} amstereoradio.com fees? 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From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu Mar 21 19:48:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 22 Mar 2002 03:48:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 2978 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2002 03:48:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2002 03:48:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2002 03:48:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2002 03:48:35 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 03:48:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: The Fanfare FTA-100 FM/AM-stereo monitor Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1098 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.126 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > > They could always use the MC13022 without noise blanking but having > > the noise blanking would be nice. > > I think AMAX should have only required noise blanking for car radios, > not also for home tuners. I don't know how effective it would be against other types of static like atmospheric noise. It would seem that it would be of some benefit here but if the static was really bad you would get a lot of dropouts but this would be better than that loud thunderous static. > > More useful than noise blanking in a home receiver would be Dynamic > Noise Reduction (DNR), like the kind made by National Semiconductor. > DNR gets rid of the background hiss on weaker signals without muffling > the treble response. I had the pleasure to use a stand alone DNR home unit that had two of these chips in it so you had a 12db/oct lowpass. You could switch between one or two filters. I used it to master from an old TEAC 4-Track Reel to Reel that didn't have any Dolby. It really knocked out the tape hiss. JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Mar 21 20:20:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 22 Mar 2002 04:20:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 50302 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2002 04:20:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2002 04:20:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2002 04:20:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2002 04:20:11 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 04:20:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: The Fanfare FTA-100 FM/AM-stereo monitor Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 897 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.175 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I had the pleasure to use a stand alone DNR home unit that had > two of these chips in it so you had a 12db/oct lowpass. You could > switch between one or two filters. I used it to master from an old > TEAC 4-Track Reel to Reel that didn't have any Dolby. It really > knocked out the tape hiss. Would it be something like this? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1339388083 I ask because that is an item I just was the winning bidder on! I intend to use it to clean up the sound of old tapes and LPs when recording them into MP3s. Sure, you can do digital "noise reduction" right on your computer, but the processing is slooow (even on my Cyrix MII-300) and I like the sound of analog DNR better. It also will be fun to use for "live" radio reception, especially DXing -- it is better to clean up the sound *before* the audio hits the recording medium, than after! From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu Mar 21 20:58:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 22 Mar 2002 04:58:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 51656 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2002 04:58:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2002 04:58:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2002 04:58:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2002 04:58:01 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 04:57:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: The Fanfare FTA-100 FM/AM-stereo monitor Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 946 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.126 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > > Would it be something like this? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1339388083 > > I ask because that is an item I just was the winning bidder on! > > I intend to use it to clean up the sound of old tapes and LPs when > recording them into MP3s. Sure, you can do digital "noise reduction" > right on your computer, but the processing is slooow (even on my Cyrix > MII-300) and I like the sound of analog DNR better. > > It also will be fun to use for "live" radio reception, especially > DXing -- it is better to clean up the sound *before* the audio hits > the recording medium, than after! Thats It! It should work good for what you specified above. I actually built a variable low pass unit from discrete components before I knew that there was a chip out that did all of this. I use it for DXing on AM and works pretty good. JSG From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Thu Mar 21 21:13:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 22 Mar 2002 05:13:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 70147 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2002 05:13:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2002 05:13:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2002 05:13:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2002 05:13:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 05:13:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Canada AM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005301c1d146$382d66e0$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1227 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.139.160.112 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 Scott you can contact CKMO at ozeroff@camosun.bc.ca and CKST at rob.gray@team1040.ca Matt --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Scott Todd" wrote: > Matt and any other Canadian members- if you know of an AM station that has > moved to FM or is no longer stereo, PLEASE try to get some contact info- > phone number, email, whatever, and I'll try to contact as many of them as > possible. I've already contacted two and need to make another attempt at > the third station. Somehow we're gonna shake one or more of these loose. > In the mean time, we need to brainstorm some more about how we're going to > get sufficient receivers made. It won't do a lot of good to get these > exciters to other stations if nobody can hear the stereo. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: matt_haw2000 > > Also CKMO-900 Victoria and CKST-1040 Vancouver are no longer > > broadcasting AMS. CKMO had a land line failure and it was too costly > > to fix both. Since they are a non-profit station the costs were too > > prohibitive for them to fix it. If anybody wants to buy the exciter > > contact them. This just happened recently. CKST's exciter failed and > > they are not fixing it. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Mar 21 22:12:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 22 Mar 2002 06:12:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 64997 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2002 06:12:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2002 06:12:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2002 06:12:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2002 06:12:17 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 06:12:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: The Fanfare FTA-100 FM/AM-stereo monitor Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4457 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.175 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Just so you know, one of the main reasons why we went ahead with the > design and build was because I believe that AM, and hopefuly AM- > stereo still has legs ... even moreso now that IBOC has become such > a question mark. Okay folks, out of the 60 members of this Forum, we are now lucky to have representatives from the three main forces that can help the cause of AM Stereo: transmitter manufacturers (Nautel), radio station owners (Crawford), and receiver manufacturers (Fanfare). I think if put to good use, this could be a winning combination for providing to the entire radio industry a demonstration of the quality and performance that AM Stereo has to offer. For the past few years, most of the talk within the radio industry about AM has been about IBOC DAB. Many still claim it will be the "savior" of AM radio. And the proponents of IBOC have published test results that of course show how good they claim the system works, while at the same time dismissing AM Stereo as something not worthy of any consideration. What we are trying to do here is to show the opposite -- that AM Stereo *is* worthy of consideration, even in light of the hype about IBOC DAB. What we need is for AM Stereo to have published test results similar to that of IBOC, for all people in the broadcasting industry to look over and consider. No doubt the quality of AM Stereo can be proven with A.) the excellent quality of a Nautel AM Stereo transmitter, B.) the excellent quality of a Crawford AM Stereo station, and C.) the excellent quality of a Fanfare AMAX AM Stereo receiver. And unlike IBOC, in addition to quality, AM Stereo can also be proven to have the advantages of affordability, of relative simplicity of equipment design, and of two decades' worth of existing usage and receiver base. IBOC DAB is attempting to demonstrate the performance of their system with three main methods: controlled laboratory tests, "real-world" field tests, and comparison to ordinary analog mono AM radio. It would not require an extravagant amount of time, money, or equipment to do the same thing for AM Stereo. And to a limited degree, all three have been done by inidividual AM Stereo enthusiasts like myself. What Nautel, Crawford, and Fanfare can do for us is to expand this to a professional-level scale, whose results would be appropriate for publication and promotion within the radio industry to serve as a resource to help stations, receiver manufacturers, and listeners make the choice between AM Stereo and IBOC DAB. This would also give an excellent chance to dispel many of the myths about AM Stereo, such as that it "reduces coverage area", "requires lower modulation levels", "compromises reception of mono receivers", etc. To do so would be as simple as setting up the Fanfare AMAX receiver on the fringe of an AM Stereo station's signal, and then having the station switch between mono and Stereo while obvserving the received signal strength, loudness, and quality. Or, do the same thing while on the road with an AMAX car radio. Or at night at a large distance over a skywave signal! And then you can also approach another thing about IBOC DAB that its proponents don't bother to discuss: the effect of its mandated 4.5 kHz analog audio response limit. They claim since "no" AM receivers have any response above 3 kHz, nobody will notice the difference. Of course that is untrue, and can be proven by simply switching a transmitter between the 4.5 kHz filter and the 10 kHz NRSC filter, and then observing the results on a variety of AM receivers. Or you could even do these tests "on the air" and have real, live listeners call in to the station to say which "transmitting format" they think sounds better on their AM radio! Again, there is no reason why all of this would take a large amount of time, money, or effort. It would just be taking what we do with our own flea-power Alfredo Lite transmitters and our own receivers and upgrading it to a "real-world" scale. We just need something that the radio industry would be able to observe and consider. An article or two in Radio World, test result PDFs on the Internet, and CD-R's of test recordings distributed to those who are interested could go a long way. And remember, what goes around comes around -- it would also serve as great advertising for Nautel transmitters, Crawford stations, and Fanfare tuners! From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Mar 22 00:48:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 22 Mar 2002 08:48:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 46105 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2002 08:48:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2002 08:48:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2002 08:48:44 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.33]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 03:43:31 -0500 Message-ID: <001101c1d17d$99d0ce00$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Fanfare FTA-100 FM/AM-stereo monitor Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 03:43:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Well said, Kevin! As I get ready to send out the 95th mini AM Stereo transmitter, (The first one was sold in Sept 2000) I know that all over the world, on 6 continents, there will be *some* people that will hear what AM Stereo can sound like. I keep one in our service center, and love to show manufacturers reps how THIER equipment can sound, given half a chance. I have great hope for this cause, as I am sure all of us do. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics To: Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 1:12 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: The Fanfare FTA-100 FM/AM-stereo monitor > Okay folks, out of the 60 members of this Forum, we are now lucky to > have representatives from the three main forces that can help the > cause of AM Stereo: transmitter manufacturers (Nautel), radio station > owners (Crawford), and receiver manufacturers (Fanfare). I think if > put to good use, this could be a winning combination for providing to > the entire radio industry a demonstration of the quality and > performance that AM Stereo has to offer. From joen3wtv@yahoo.com Fri Mar 22 02:45:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: joen3wtv@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 22 Mar 2002 10:45:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 57103 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2002 10:45:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2002 10:45:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11708.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2002 10:45:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20020322104553.12484.qmail@web11708.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.155.45.156] by web11708.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 02:45:53 PST Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 02:45:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Webcast about Internet Streaming Royalties To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: joe elias X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=35888484 X-Yahoo-Profile: joen3wtv i find the idea of radio stations being forced to pay royalties to stream their programming on the internet to be disgusting......joe --- jsgilst wrote: > There is an interesting interview about royalty > payments > that radio stations and webcasters have to pay in > order to play music at: http://www.thelinuxshow.com > The 1st part of the interview is about the M$ DOJ > case > which is interesting also. 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Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ From rob.j.davies@philips.com Fri Mar 22 03:08:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rob.j.davies@philips.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 22 Mar 2002 11:08:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 35582 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2002 11:08:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2002 11:08:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO gw-nl5.philips.com) (212.153.235.99) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2002 11:08:36 -0000 Received: from smtpscan-nl4.philips.com (localhost.philips.com [127.0.0.1]) by gw-nl5.philips.com with ESMTP id MAA23002 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:08:29 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from rob.j.davies@philips.com) Received: from smtpscan-nl4.philips.com(130.139.36.24) by gw-nl5.philips.com via mwrap (4.0a) id xma022999; Fri, 22 Mar 02 12:08:34 +0100 Received: from smtprelay-nl1.philips.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtpscan-nl4.philips.com (8.9.3/8.8.5-1.2.2m-19990317) with ESMTP id MAA15270 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:08:24 +0100 (MET) Received: from hbg001soh.diamond.philips.com (e1soh01.diamond.philips.com [130.143.165.212]) by smtprelay-nl1.philips.com (8.9.3/8.8.5-1.2.2m-19990317) with ESMTP id MAA07244 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:08:22 +0100 (MET) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 160 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:59:59 +0000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on hbg001soh/H/SERVER/PHILIPS(Release 5.0.9a |January 7, 2002) at 22/03/2002 12:27:37 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: rob.j.davies@philips.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=49921925 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjd34uk > Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 01:09:03 -0000 > From: "amstereofan" <1377.3mp@start.com.au> > For any UK readers (I'm probably the only one) Not quite... > Just listened tonight (UK) and notice for the first time France Bleu > is in MONO. Don't listen too often so not sure how long for. Hope > it's not permanant... I caught it the other night. Pilot but no separation. I'll check again over the weekend. Rob From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Mar 22 10:22:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 22 Mar 2002 18:22:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 57962 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2002 18:21:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2002 18:21:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2002 18:21:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2002 18:21:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 18:21:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: The Fanfare FTA-100 FM/AM-stereo monitor Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001101c1d17d$99d0ce00$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 458 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.157 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Well said, Kevin! As I get ready to send out the 95th mini AM Stereo > transmitter, (The first one was sold in Sept 2000) I know that all > over the world, on 6 continents, there will be *some* people that > will hear what AM Stereo can sound like. 95 transmitters in a year and a half... that's quite a lot! You should put up a big world map on your wall with pins to indicate all the places and countries that are using your AM Stereo transmitters. From 1377.3mp@start.com.au Fri Mar 22 10:45:37 2002 Return-Path: <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Sender: 1377.3mp@start.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 22 Mar 2002 18:45:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 56530 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2002 18:45:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2002 18:45:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2002 18:45:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2002 18:45:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 18:45:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: France Bleu in MONO :-( Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4073 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Originating-IP: 213.121.68.145 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69495942 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan There does seem to be a carrier present on my SRF-42. Almots like stereo is there but very narrow separation or a psudo stereo effect Yes I'm in semi-regular contact with Thierry mainly when something goes wrong like now! He says a friend of his last heard stereo on the 9th of March so not looking good. I've emailed TDF, see what happens. Does the cuqam part etc pack up if not checked from time to time ? --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > > Just listened tonight (UK) and notice for the first time France Bleu > > is in MONO. Don't listen too often so not sure how long for. Hope > > it's not permanant... > > Are they totally mono, or still transmitting a 25 Hz pilot tone with > mono audio? (You will need a non-"forced" Stereo receiver to check > this, not a Sony which stays in Stereo mode all the time.) > > The Stereo on 864 kHz France Bleu has always been considered an > "experimental" operation, designed to test the effectiveness of C- Quam > AM Stereo in Europe, so you can at least be thankful they kept it on > for so long. > > Also, in the past there have been period when France Bleu (a.k.a. > Radio Bleue) switched back to mono for over a year, but then switched > back to Stereo. Here is the info from one web site, as > computer-translated into English: > > ==================================================================== > September 12, 1995, the Higher Council of Audio-visual (CSA) > authorizes Radio France to carry out an experimental diffusion STEREO > in amplitude modulation, starting from the transmitter of Villebon on > Yvette, in the Essonne, used by Blue the Radio program. The standard > of emission will be that the most used in the United States: the > C-quam system, developped at the point by Motorola. Radio Bleue > however had announced this possibility of emitting out of AM STEREO > since 1993. TDF installs the stereo transmitter in July 1996. > > With this occasion the Council indicated: "the introduction of such a > system will involve difficulties for the management of the > frequencies. Indeed, the band of the hectometric waves is used > intensively in Europe, with a spacing between the channels of 9 Khz, > variation imposed by the plan of Geneva of 1975. However, to ensure a > stereophonic service, the C-quam system requires channels of 12 > minimum Khz". > > The stereo emissions will be diffused in a sporadic way until June 27, > 1998. However it was noted their return, at the beginning of September > 1999. This transmitter is exceptional and perhaps single in Europe, > stereo AM being mainly used in North America and Australia. > > Since September 4, 2000, Blue Radio became France Blue and diffuses 24 > H/24. The stereo AM emissions C-quam continue regularly, since this > date, on the Parisian transmitter (last checking carried out on March > 9, 2002). > ==================================================================== > > The mention of the "12 kHz minimum bandwidth" is just an exaggerated > way of saying that for the best Stereo separation quality, the C- Quam > system recommends a minimum audio bandwidth of 6 kHz (which equals an > RF bandwidth of 12 kHz). Continental Europe uses an AM audio > bandwidth of 4.5 kHz (to cut down on adjacent channel interference) > which still works fine for C-Quam but the Stereo separation is not as > wide as it could be. > > This info is from: > > http://myweb.worldnet.net/~tvignaud/am/rbleue/rbleue.htm > > and its author can be contacted at: > > thierry.vignaud@l... > > If he can understand your English maybe he can update you on the > Stereo status of France Bleu. > > France Bleu itself also has a web site (in French) at: > > http://www.radio-france.fr/sites/france-bleu/sommaire/ > > > p.s. Do you have a Longwave receiver? Since the demise of Ireland's > "Atlantic 252" pop music format (in favour of a Sports format) I'm > just wondering if there's anything still worth listening to on LW in > Western Europe. From amfmdx@fastq.com Fri Mar 22 10:47:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 22 Mar 2002 18:47:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 60446 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2002 18:47:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2002 18:47:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2002 18:47:14 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d122-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.154]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g2MIlCn95303 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:47:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <002901c1d1d0$6bf1dc60$9af9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: Subject: Help me with treachery and collusion! Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:36:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gents, We have done this before and I need some help. KUET 710, Black Canyon City, AZ is being repaired because they had a transmitter failure. They have been in AM stereo but only pilot and left channel in both sides. The pilot is nice, but REAL stereo would be good. I called KUET to tell them that their pilot was out and that they were only left channel and wide mode. I asked the sales guy there, actually the only one there at all, if they had plans to go to stereo and he didn't know but wanted the station to go full stereo. I need you all to decide where you want to live, Scottsdale, Mesa, Phoenix, Gilbert, Chandler, Sun City West, or Glendale, all areas that this station wants to target, and call them to ask that they get the stereo fixed. The more people that call the more they will know we are out there. They might fix things if we do call. The situation is this, only KUET and KSUN even put out a pilot in the Phoenix market. If KUET goes true stereo and more than wide mode, you will weld your dial to KUET 24/7. I know this will be a L/D call for many of you. I have made calls and have written letters for many others to get the stereo on the air. This is a fairly new station and if people call and say theres no pilot and that they want full AM stereo theres a good chance they will fix the transmitter. Please, please call 602-266-2005 and tell them you didn't see the pilot and to fix the stereo to full stereo. That would be beyond awesome. We all need to work together on this or we will continue to lose AM stereo stations. Remember how we got KNX to keep stereo? It can happen here. Let me know who calls and how things went. Thanks in advance, Kevin Mesa, Arizona "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society." ~ Mark Twain. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmdx@fastq.com Fri Mar 22 10:52:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 22 Mar 2002 18:52:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 12572 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2002 18:52:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2002 18:52:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2002 18:52:26 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d122-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.154]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g2MIqPn95414 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:52:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <004001c1d1d1$22fc1380$9af9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: Subject: 602-266-2005 KUET Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:41:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just wanted to make sure no one missed the number. I would really like to see this guy flooded with calls and that might get things going. Kevin Mesa, Arizona "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society." ~ Mark Twain. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From 1377.3mp@start.com.au Fri Mar 22 11:01:06 2002 Return-Path: <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Sender: 1377.3mp@start.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 22 Mar 2002 19:01:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 96551 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2002 19:01:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2002 19:01:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2002 19:01:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2002 19:01:05 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 19:01:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: France Bleu in MONO :-( Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3943 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Originating-IP: 213.121.68.145 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69495942 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Sorry forgot about the LW query, I never listen to LW really. Still quite a few French sts use LW plus BBC Radio 4 of course plus some Euro countries. Do you pick up LW then ? Is it used for anything in the US ? THere are plans for a st from the Isle of Man as you probably know ? --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > > Just listened tonight (UK) and notice for the first time France Bleu > > is in MONO. Don't listen too often so not sure how long for. Hope > > it's not permanant... > > Are they totally mono, or still transmitting a 25 Hz pilot tone with > mono audio? (You will need a non-"forced" Stereo receiver to check > this, not a Sony which stays in Stereo mode all the time.) > > The Stereo on 864 kHz France Bleu has always been considered an > "experimental" operation, designed to test the effectiveness of C- Quam > AM Stereo in Europe, so you can at least be thankful they kept it on > for so long. > > Also, in the past there have been period when France Bleu (a.k.a. > Radio Bleue) switched back to mono for over a year, but then switched > back to Stereo. Here is the info from one web site, as > computer-translated into English: > > ==================================================================== > September 12, 1995, the Higher Council of Audio-visual (CSA) > authorizes Radio France to carry out an experimental diffusion STEREO > in amplitude modulation, starting from the transmitter of Villebon on > Yvette, in the Essonne, used by Blue the Radio program. The standard > of emission will be that the most used in the United States: the > C-quam system, developped at the point by Motorola. Radio Bleue > however had announced this possibility of emitting out of AM STEREO > since 1993. TDF installs the stereo transmitter in July 1996. > > With this occasion the Council indicated: "the introduction of such a > system will involve difficulties for the management of the > frequencies. Indeed, the band of the hectometric waves is used > intensively in Europe, with a spacing between the channels of 9 Khz, > variation imposed by the plan of Geneva of 1975. However, to ensure a > stereophonic service, the C-quam system requires channels of 12 > minimum Khz". > > The stereo emissions will be diffused in a sporadic way until June 27, > 1998. However it was noted their return, at the beginning of September > 1999. This transmitter is exceptional and perhaps single in Europe, > stereo AM being mainly used in North America and Australia. > > Since September 4, 2000, Blue Radio became France Blue and diffuses 24 > H/24. The stereo AM emissions C-quam continue regularly, since this > date, on the Parisian transmitter (last checking carried out on March > 9, 2002). > ==================================================================== > > The mention of the "12 kHz minimum bandwidth" is just an exaggerated > way of saying that for the best Stereo separation quality, the C- Quam > system recommends a minimum audio bandwidth of 6 kHz (which equals an > RF bandwidth of 12 kHz). Continental Europe uses an AM audio > bandwidth of 4.5 kHz (to cut down on adjacent channel interference) > which still works fine for C-Quam but the Stereo separation is not as > wide as it could be. > > This info is from: > > http://myweb.worldnet.net/~tvignaud/am/rbleue/rbleue.htm > > and its author can be contacted at: > > thierry.vignaud@l... > > If he can understand your English maybe he can update you on the > Stereo status of France Bleu. > > France Bleu itself also has a web site (in French) at: > > http://www.radio-france.fr/sites/france-bleu/sommaire/ > > > p.s. Do you have a Longwave receiver? Since the demise of Ireland's > "Atlantic 252" pop music format (in favour of a Sports format) I'm > just wondering if there's anything still worth listening to on LW in > Western Europe. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Mar 22 11:24:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 22 Mar 2002 19:24:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 55625 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2002 19:24:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2002 19:24:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2002 19:24:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2002 19:24:18 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 19:24:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: France Bleu in MONO :-( Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1089 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.157 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Sorry forgot about the LW query, I never listen to LW really. Still > quite a few French sts use LW plus BBC Radio 4 of course plus some > Euro countries. Do you pick up LW then ? Is it used for anything in > the US ? THere are plans for a st from the Isle of Man as you > probably know ? Longwave is not used for broadcasting in North or South America. The frequencies below 530 kHz are mostly used for navigational beacon transmitters at airports and for military communications (to communicate with submarines, they use radio frequencies as low as 76 Hz -- yes, Hertz, not KiloHertz!). Some listeners on the east coast of North America can hear longwave stations from Europe. I think I once heard the BBC on 198 kHz but that's it. During the "Cold War", the U.S. government had plans for a network of Longwave transmitters to cover the country with emergency information in the case of an attack, but this was never implemented, aside from one station, WGU-20 on 179 kHz in Maryland, which did test broadcasts: http://coldwardc.homestead.com/files/PER/WGU20.html From jwelton@nautel.com Fri Mar 22 11:40:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 22 Mar 2002 19:40:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 3164 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2002 19:40:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2002 19:40:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserver.nautel.com) (24.222.4.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2002 19:40:29 -0000 Received: FROM jeff-welton BY mailserver.nautel.com ; Fri Mar 22 15:40:52 2002 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 15:40:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Help me with treachery and collusion! Message-ID: <3C9B505A.8155.1843A12@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <002901c1d1d0$6bf1dc60$9af9bed8@kredding430cdt> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body From: "Jeff Welton" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 > KUET 710, Black Canyon City, AZ is being repaired because they had a > transmitter failure. They have been in AM stereo but only pilot and > left channel in both sides. The pilot is nice, but REAL stereo would > be good. WHOA!!!! Back up the transmitter bus a little bit. KUET have an XL60 transmitter, new in February 2000, with a NAUTEL stereo exciter built in. Other than a failure of some power module fuses due to undetermined causes (antenna transient suspected) in January of this year, a question on efficiency in March of this year and a question on operation in December 2000, we have not had a call on this transmitter. It's reasonably safe to assume that they have NOT had a transmitter failure. Beyond this, I don't know what their situation is. I know Stephen can vouch for the ability of the XL60 to pass stereo, and I know the KUET transmitter was equipped for it. Over and above that, you know as much as I do! Jeff Welton Nautel Customer Service Dept. Tel.: 1-902-823-3900 ext. 127 Fax: 1-902-823-3183 email: jwelton@nautel.com From amfmdx@fastq.com Fri Mar 22 12:00:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 22 Mar 2002 20:00:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 15039 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2002 20:00:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2002 20:00:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2002 20:00:08 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d122-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.154]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g2MK07n96878 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:00:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <00ad01c1d1dc$26d9c1e0$9af9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <3C9B505A.8155.1843A12@localhost> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Help me with treachery and collusion! Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:59:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 > WHOA!!!! > > Back up the transmitter bus a little bit. I was told they blew out a cap and thats the reason that the station is off the stereo. > KUET have an XL60 transmitter, new in February 2000, with a NAUTEL > stereo exciter built in. Then get your butt out there and fix that xmitter! :) Both channels have the left channel coming out of it when the stereo pilot is on. Until today they were pilot only. Dave Dixon is the eng there. Maybe he could use some help? I am not going to say theres something wrong with your product, but theres something going on down in Black Canyon City. > It's reasonably safe to assume that they have > NOT had a transmitter failure. Beyond this, I don't know what their > situation is. Thats what the sales droid told me this very morning! Said a cap was blown and that was the reason for no AM Stereo pilot and they had xmitter problems. > I know Stephen can vouch for the ability of the XL60 to pass stereo, > and I know the KUET transmitter was equipped for it. Over and above > that, you know as much as I do! You know what I know now. Give `em a ring see what you can find out. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From meridian3891@cs.com Fri Mar 22 12:53:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Meridian3891@cs.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 22 Mar 2002 20:53:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 1122 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2002 20:53:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2002 20:53:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2002 20:53:37 -0000 Received: from Meridian3891@cs.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.45.14b68718 (15863) for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 15:53:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from netscape.com (mow-d01.webmail.aol.com [205.188.138.65]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v83.35) with ESMTP id MAILINID62-0322155334; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 15:53:34 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 15:53:34 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: France Bleu in MONO :-( Message-ID: <1A0979C9.1A86DA7F.8852DB2E@cs.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: meridian3891@cs.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=48487815 X-Yahoo-Profile: onemeridian Do you have a Longwave receiver? Since the demise of Ireland's Atlantic 252 pop music format (in favour of a Sports format) I'm just wondering if there's anything still worth listening to on LW in Western Europe. I was shocked last week (while in London) when I tuned in 252 kHz & heard the sports talk...I was expecting to catch some good Euro-pop..... :( From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Mar 22 13:16:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 22 Mar 2002 21:16:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 64838 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2002 21:16:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2002 21:16:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2002 21:16:12 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-70.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.70]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2MLFx0I018072 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 15:16:01 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <006f01c1d1e7$181ba500$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Fanfare FTA-100 FM/AM-stereo monitor Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 15:18:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude The posting person said if we had any questions, to contact him by email, but he forgot to put it in the post. I do have a question for him, and it pertains to whether or not he or his company could give us any advice as to how to get into the business of at least medium scale mass production. Not that they'd necessarily produce them for us, but just get some advice. What kind of radio would likely do best- walkman-style, boombox, fixed-tuned, etc. I know Chris has some designs in his head, if not on paper, and once they are written down we could use them as a template for the circuits. Would we necessarily even want to make our own to begin with? Could we purchase a quantity of Phillips/Magnavox boomboxes at a discount, with the agreement that they'd be modified for AMS without voiding the warranty? A surge in AMS receiver availability will do as much as anything to get stations interested in stereo again. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics > Okay folks, out of the 60 members of this Forum, we are now lucky to > have representatives from the three main forces that can help the > cause of AM Stereo: transmitter manufacturers (Nautel), radio station > owners (Crawford), and receiver manufacturers (Fanfare). From jsgil@hal-pc.org Fri Mar 22 16:43:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Mar 2002 00:43:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 50348 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2002 00:43:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2002 00:43:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2002 00:43:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2002 00:43:52 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 00:43:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: The Fanfare FTA-100 FM/AM-stereo monitor Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006f01c1d1e7$181ba500$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2714 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.140 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Scott Todd" wrote: > The posting person said if we had any questions, to contact him by email, > but he forgot to put it in the post. I do have a question for him, and it > pertains to whether or not he or his company could give us any advice as to > how to get into the business of at least medium scale mass production. Not > that they'd necessarily produce them for us, but just get some advice. > What kind of radio would likely do best- walkman-style, boombox, > fixed-tuned, etc. I know Chris has some designs in his head, if not on > paper, and once they are written down we could use them as a template for > the circuits. Would we necessarily even want to make our own to begin with? > Could we purchase a quantity of Phillips/Magnavox boomboxes at a discount, > with the agreement that they'd be modified for AMS without voiding the > warranty? A surge in AMS receiver availability will do as much as anything > to get stations interested in stereo again. > > ST > I have thought a great deal about designing/building decoder cards and/or whole radios. The Chirs Cuff mini is a good all around decoder that you can put into the smallest of radios but I also would like to see a more complex one with wide/med/narrow IF filters and 10KHz notch filters. As Kevin T. pointed out recently in a post that these Chrysler radios approach the quality of the Denon NAB tuners, this is the quality I would like to have to convert Receivers and bookshelf systems. Opening up my Chrysler radio the amount of circuit board area used to do the whole AM section is about 2.5"x5" using SMD components. This is small enough to put into most boom boxes and there is usually plenty of room in receivers and bookshelf systems for a circuit board of this size. Now it would not be cost effective for us to manufacture these by hand in mass quantities but circuit design and testing can be done with non SMD through the hole components and once we decide on a circuit that will fit most all conversion needs then design a SMD board. Once this is done take the design to China and have these converters mass produced. Now the catch is what kind of quanity would we need to make this cost effective. If AMS does take off and there is enough of a worldwide demand for conversions for those who don't want to purchase a new receiver when and if new receivers are manufactured with AMS then this could be a possibility. Now something like this would have to happen down the line when broadcasters decide that IBOC is not a viable alternative and install C-QuAM exciters instead so there will be enough program material out there that will drive the demand for conversions. JSG From KC4QLP@aol.com Fri Mar 22 16:54:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Mar 2002 00:54:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 69756 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2002 00:54:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2002 00:54:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r05.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.101) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2002 00:54:54 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 2.193.4331b39 (4240) for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 19:48:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <193.4331b39.29cd2ac7@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 19:48:07 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Help me with treachery and collusion! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 3/22/02 3:01:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, amfmdx@fastq.com writes: << Thats what the sales droid told me this very morning! Said a cap was blown and that was the reason for no AM Stereo pilot and they had xmitter problems. > I know Stephen can vouch for the ability of the XL60 to pass stereo, > and I know the KUET transmitter was equipped for it. Over and above > that, you know as much as I do! You know what I know now. Give `em a ring see what you can find out. >> Sales droids know nothing. You could tell them that the color of the type here was black..and those sales droids will swear its red! Sounds like to me the engineer at that station doesnt know much about AM Stereo..or doesnt care...heck possibly cant even screw in a light bulb without breaking something. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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Many people that I spoke to said that AM stereo broadcasting is simply not possible! Consumers need to drive the demand, and we need to promote the vehicle to them. Radio manufacturers will NOT produce any new C-QuAM product without consumer demand, especially during these financial times. Each manufacturer can point to discontinued AM stereo products for their reasons not to engineer, research, design, market, and to manufacture AM stereo C-QuAM receivers and tuners. "Spending good money after bad money," someone once said to me. Keep in mind that there are several current models that do convert nicely to AM stereo reception, such as the Sony CFD-S32 and Philips boomboxes. Without strong public demand, though, many manufacturers will not introduce these AM stereo products to the masses. Congratulations to Fanfare for producing new FTA-100 AM/FM stereo tuner product! It will be interesting to see its impact on the AM stereo C-QuAM format. Did you notice that WFAN has reduced power recently, and is transmitting monaural overnight? WOR was almost burning barn doors yesterday morning in central Ohio, and WFAN was a flicker. Scott, How does one join the CRTech list? Incidentally, the newer Delco AM/FM/cassette stereo with the five-band graphic equalizers use a 'modified' Motorola MC13022 chip. I.F and A.F filtering is used based upon received signal strength. One can receive the stereo pilot under severe R.F conditions, and the agressive blend circuit eliminates any platform motion artifact. Stay tuned for fabulous news from me in the next two weeks. I promise that my contribution will change the AM stereo front forever. Hi, Donn! 73, Jeff In a message dated 3/22/2002 4:17:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, Scott writes: >The posting person said if we had any questions, to contact him by >email, but he forgot to put it in the post. I do have a question >for him, and it pertains to whether or not he or his company could >give us any advice as to how to get into the business of at least >medium scale mass production. Not that they'd necessarily produce >them for us, but just get some advice. What kind of radio would >likely do best- walkman-style, boombox, fixed-tuned, etc. I know >Chris has some designs in his head, if not on paper, and once they >are written down we could use them as a template for the circuits. >Would we necessarily even want to make our own to begin with? >Could we purchase a quantity of Phillips/Magnavox boomboxes at a >discount, with the agreement that they'd be modified for AMS without >voiding the warranty? A surge in AMS receiver availability will do >as much as anything to get stations interested in stereo again. From Bossmsx@aol.com Fri Mar 22 18:15:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Mar 2002 02:15:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 46695 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2002 02:15:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2002 02:15:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2002 02:15:50 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.8.2357c7ad (15875); Fri, 22 Mar 2002 21:15:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from web46.aolmail.aol.com (web46.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.7]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v84.12) with ESMTP id MAILINID72-0322211543; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 21:15:43 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 21:15:43 EST Subject: BE Radio "Radio" magazine for March, 2002. To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <8.2357c7ad.29cd3f4f@aol.com> From: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx Has anyone seen a copy of BE Radio's "Radio" magazine for March 2002? In their 'Reader Feedback' section they feature comments on IBOC from a John Pavlica of Toledo Ohio.... The man is very pro-AM Stereo and anti-IBOC....Among the things he suggests is using DSP for decoding analog AM Stereo....He also makes light of IBOC's incompatibility with analog AM Stereo. Tony S/Miami From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Mar 22 18:41:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Mar 2002 02:41:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 4295 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2002 02:41:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2002 02:41:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO boron.vcn.com) (209.193.72.5) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2002 02:41:12 -0000 Received: from michaelj (unverified [209.193.86.24]) by boron.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 19:41:11 -0700 Message-ID: <005401c1d214$78b21480$1856c1d1@mshome.net> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} amstereoradio.com fees? Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 19:43:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've registered 3 or 4 domains now with godaddy.com. They do it for $9.95 a year. And it works just fine. I first discovered them about a year ago. That's the first thing I thought of when I saw the messages about needing to re-register the amstereoradio.com domain. Otherwise before that I too always did it through Network Solutions for the steep price of $35 a year. MJR ----- Original Message ----- From: KC4QLP@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 7:31 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} amstereoradio.com fees? In a message dated 3/21/02 7:36:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, matthew.trim@eds.com writes: << I can do it for $US8.95 per year. I'm registered with http://www.enom.com (discount domain registrations) :) >> Thats an even better deal.! ...hey..where were you when I needed a discount last November? lol =-) Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Mar 22 20:46:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Mar 2002 04:46:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 77616 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2002 04:46:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2002 04:46:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2002 04:46:09 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-94.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.94]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2N4ju0I021032 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 22:45:57 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001501c1d225$f34cbcc0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Fanfare FTA-100 FM/AM-stereo monitor Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 22:48:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude If we go the converter board route, we'd need schematics for all the radios we'd be installing them in. This isn't a DIY project for most people. Then we'd also have to set up teams of conversion techs. It sounds like one of what may turn out to be a number of good possibilities, but it needs some refinement. I'd opt for Korea or Mexico for the production. No reason to give the Chi-coms a lot of business. Build quality is often poor. ST ----- Original Message ----- Now it would not be cost effective for us to manufacture > these by hand in mass quantities but circuit design and testing can be > done with non SMD through the hole components and once we decide on a > circuit that will fit most all conversion needs then design a SMD > board. Once this is done take the design to China and have these > converters mass produced. From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Mar 22 21:03:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Mar 2002 05:03:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 8248 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2002 05:03:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2002 05:03:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2002 05:03:18 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-94.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.94]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2N5350I022566 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 23:03:07 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <002f01c1d228$594678c0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Fanfare FTA-100 FM/AM-stereo monitor Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 23:05:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I won't say it can't be done; stranger things have happened. If you know a way to get the public to start demanding AMS radios, I want to hear your strategy. What concerns me is if we set up our little demonstrations, the public goes for it, but then finds AMS radios unavailable at the local CheapieMart, there must be enough momentum built up for them to alert the manufacturers that they want AMS in any radio they buy. Otherwise they'll just give up and go onto something else. The only analogy I can think of offhand is that for every person that goes forward at a Billy Graham crusade, how many are still living out the results of that conviction a year later? It's a fairly small percentage. Scott PS- to join the CRTech and Radio Tech forums, go to www.broadcast.net and on the left side of the screen click on where it mentions something about the various forums/mail lists. The RT list can generate over a hundred posts a day, so you may just want to read it online. ----- Original Message ----- From: jeffdeck2001 > Scott, > We need to promote AM stereo on the streets of this world. > Many people that I spoke to said that AM stereo broadcasting > is simply not possible! Consumers need to drive the demand, and > we need to promote the vehicle to them. > > Radio manufacturers will NOT produce any new C-QuAM product without > consumer demand, especially during these financial times. > Scott, How does one join the CRTech list? From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Mar 22 21:20:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Mar 2002 05:20:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 70919 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2002 05:20:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2002 05:20:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14204.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.146) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2002 05:20:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20020323052040.80691.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.162.18.173] by web14204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 21:20:40 PST Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 21:20:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: Crutchfield / Bose Bozos To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I don't give-up too easily. I continually mail-in every single BOSE Wave Radio card and tell them that I would buy one if it had Stereo AM. So nice of them to make these postage paid cards. May I suggest all of you do the same, and list your hometown on their Bose card and tell them what station you want to hear in stereo AM on the BOZO (Bose) Wave Radio. I've also bugged Crutchfield again about an AMS for my car, and they were decent on the telephone, but indicated that they don't offer any AM Stereo units, and interesting enough, it appears that mine wasn't his first request. Give'm a call. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Mar 22 22:21:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Mar 2002 06:21:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 4121 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2002 06:21:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2002 06:21:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2002 06:21:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2002 06:21:42 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 06:21:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WFAN Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 638 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.90.34 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Did you notice that WFAN has reduced power recently, and is > transmitting monaural overnight? WOR was almost burning barn doors > yesterday morning in central Ohio, and WFAN was a flicker. 660 WFAN is still working on transmitter equipment problems (mostly in the diplexor which shares their antenna with 880 WCBS), and will probably be off the air for maintenance during overnight hours this weekend, just as they were last weekend. After last week's maintenance they were back in Stereo at full strength, but then they started having problems again so now they are back on mono back-up until it can be worked on again. From Bossmsx@aol.com Fri Mar 22 22:26:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Mar 2002 06:26:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 14326 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2002 06:26:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2002 06:26:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r09.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.105) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2002 06:26:49 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 4.d.24038260 (3951) for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 01:23:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 01:22:59 EST Subject: Sony chip question.... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP US sub 50 From: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just opened up my Sony SRF-AX15 radio... To my surprise, I could not find the "CXA 1657" chip on it..... The closest thing that looked like an AM Stereo chip was one that was labeled "CXA1111N"...Anyone got any info on that chip? Tony S/Miami [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Mar 22 22:28:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Mar 2002 06:28:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 15999 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2002 06:28:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2002 06:28:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2002 06:28:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2002 06:28:05 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 06:28:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Web site update Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 894 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.90.34 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I am slowly but surely keeping the content of www.AMStereoRadio.com up to date. Just now I am in progress of updating and expanding the AM Stereo radio listings. I have finished the page of factory-equipped AM Stereo car radios (with LOTS of information and pictures), and the other radio info pages (aftermarket car radio, portable radio, and home stereo system/tuner) will be coming soon. Also you will find many of the links to AM Stereo MP3 files not working because I am also in the process of revitalising that page. I have a new server upon which to upload files and I am also selecting a fresh mix of high fidelity MP3 recordings to include. BTW, if you think the pictures on the radio listing pages take too long to load, I can also set up a text-only version for quick reference. However, I split it up into three pages to cut down on the number of pictures per page. From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Mar 23 00:55:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Mar 2002 08:55:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 84834 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2002 08:55:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2002 08:55:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2002 08:55:43 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.89]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 03:50:34 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01c1d247$bd6e06a0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony chip question.... Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 03:50:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Tony, it is "hiding" on the other side- it is a tiny SMD IC. The TA2111 is the AM/FM IF circuit. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 1:22 AM Subject: {AMSF} Sony chip question.... > I just opened up my Sony SRF-AX15 radio... > > To my surprise, I could not find the "CXA 1657" chip on it..... From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Mar 23 04:11:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Mar 2002 12:11:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 99155 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2002 12:11:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2002 12:11:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2002 12:11:45 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.138]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 07:06:36 -0500 Message-ID: <002101c1d263$1f745f00$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: Radios Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 06:53:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Just a note here- Philips is planning to discontinue all home audio products, as soon as possibly this next year. The most recent of their boomboxes is not equipped with the EC05 module anymore, but still convertable, none the less. My thoughts on getting the product out, would be to contact a company like Emerson, believe it or not, as they seem willing to try new things- look at their wildly popular colored boomboxes- they fly off the shelves! They are affordable and reliable. A meeting with them, with one of their converted "CD Cruiser" boomboxes, and an Alfredo Lite, just *might* spark the interest. I still want VERY much to get in contact with Ramsey. I KNOW I can convince them if i can get up there and meet with them. Or, is there anyone on this list that is near them (Rochester area) that has a little "salesman" in them? cc CC ----- Original Message ----- From: jeffdeck2001 To: Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 8:41 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: The Fanfare FTA-100 FM/AM-stereo monitor > Scott, > We need to promote AM stereo on the streets of this world. From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Mar 23 07:13:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Mar 2002 15:13:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 56876 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2002 15:13:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2002 15:13:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2002 15:13:39 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.87]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 10:08:31 -0500 Message-ID: <004d01c1d27c$893df040$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Transmitters Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 10:08:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 The one transmitter I sold to a fellow in South Africa is using it with a 1 watt amp, and covers a small village. He bought a few Metrosounds as well at the same time, but liked it more for the clean sound. I did have a complete list of everyone that bought a transmitter, but a HD crash on the day I finished the list killed it. To the best of my recollection, the dispersion is as follows: USA- 62 Canada-5 Germany-3 Japan- 3 Australia- 7 New Zealand- 2 Taiwan-1 Singapore-1 France-2 England- 2 Sweden- 2 Ireland- 2 South Africa- 1 Mexico-1 Brazil-1 Pretty cool! cc ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics > 95 transmitters in a year and a half... that's quite a lot! You > should put up a big world map on your wall with pins to indicate all > the places and countries that are using your AM Stereo transmitters. From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Mar 23 07:22:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Mar 2002 15:22:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 8904 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2002 15:22:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2002 15:22:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2002 15:22:45 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.87]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 10:17:37 -0500 Message-ID: <008c01c1d27d$cec2c360$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: Subject: Fw: Comment from the www.AMStereoRadio.com web site Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 10:17:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Here is an email that just came over from the Netherlands- thought you all might like to see it. CC Subject: Comment from the www.AMStereoRadio.com web site > Dear Sir, > > > I've found your excellent website earlier today and have to say I > enjoyed the reading and the airchecks. AM Stereo is something we don't > know in The Netherlands, so it's great to hear about it. > > On your website, you have a page called more MP3s. But not every file > excist. Maybe you can correct these, so I can add them to my collection > ?? > > Keep doing the great job your doing and thanks again for the wonderfull > information on your site. > > All the best, > > Lex van Dijken > From 1377.3mp@start.com.au Sat Mar 23 07:26:15 2002 Return-Path: <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Sender: 1377.3mp@start.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Mar 2002 15:26:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 24798 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2002 15:26:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2002 15:26:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2002 15:26:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2002 15:26:09 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 15:26:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: France Bleu in MONO :-( Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 527 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Originating-IP: 213.121.70.37 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69495942 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan > frequencies below 530 kHz are mostly used for navigational beacon > transmitters at airports and for military communications (to > communicate with submarines, they use radio frequencies as low as > 76 Hz -- yes, Hertz, not KiloHertz!). > The UK's rugby time signal is on 60hz here which I can receive here on the osuth coast on my old Yaesu 7700. Many clocks are sold using this. No dount the US have a similar freq. PLus there's ham radio allocations in the UK on 73 Khz and 136 Khz Whoops getting very OT here ! From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Mar 23 10:12:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Mar 2002 18:12:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 95121 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2002 18:12:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2002 18:12:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.4) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2002 18:12:34 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.135.b779f65 (16785); Sat, 23 Mar 2002 13:12:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <135.b779f65.29ce1f87@aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 13:12:23 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} BE Radio "Radio" magazine for March, 2002. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@topica.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 3/22/02 9:16:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, Bossmsx@aol.com writes: << The man is very pro-AM Stereo and anti-IBOC....Among the things he suggests is using DSP for decoding analog AM Stereo....He also makes light of IBOC's incompatibility with analog AM Stereo. Tony S/Miami >> I have two copies...one here at the station..and one next to my radio operating post at home ..and havent had a chance to read either one yet. ..sounds like some interesting reading From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Mar 23 10:47:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Mar 2002 18:47:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 16700 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2002 18:47:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2002 18:47:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d07.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.39) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2002 18:47:56 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 4.d2.1596956f (16785) for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 13:44:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 13:44:14 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Fanfare FTA-100 FM/AM-stereo monitor To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 3/23/02 12:04:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, stodd@sherbtel.net writes: << I won't say it can't be done; stranger things have happened. If you know a way to get the public to start demanding AMS radios, I want to hear your strategy. What concerns me is if we set up our little demonstrations, the public goes for it, but then finds AMS radios unavailable at the local CheapieMart, >> The getting the public to want a better AM radio shouldnt be a problem....the problem comes in two ways. First we have a large number of stations that are not transmitting stereo anymore..and to convience these corporations and or stubborn engineers to revert back to stereo is going to be on steep mountain to climb. Second,there really isnt much that people really want to hear anymore......hardly anything is local.97% of whats on AM and FM today is piped in via satellite or comes to you "live" via a spinning hard drive.Everyone that operates this way sounds the same.We must give listeners a reason to listen to the radio...and I mean really listen to it like they did 20 years ago. Today it is more of a background media..especially since everyone is like the other station. Without the local content "fix" on radio stations today....nothing else matters really. So who has several million to buy out clear channel and turn over all of those radios stations to normal local operation status? Jeff...we'll see you on RT at broadcast.net Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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No dount the US have a similar freq. PLus there's ham radio >allocations in the UK on 73 Khz and 136 Khz > >Whoops getting very OT here ! > > We also have timepieces which receive the 60 kHz signal from WWVB (recently upgraded) no stereo though ;) Tony KA3SVT From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Mar 23 14:28:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Mar 2002 22:28:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 46393 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2002 22:28:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2002 22:28:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2002 22:28:37 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-101.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.101]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2NMSL0I002433 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 16:28:22 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <003101c1d2ba$605f68a0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <135.b779f65.29ce1f87@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} BE Radio "Radio" magazine for March, 2002. Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 16:30:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Maybe we should post this person's letter at our website? ST ----- Original Message ----- From: > << The man is very pro-AM Stereo and anti-IBOC....Among the things he > suggests is using DSP for decoding analog AM Stereo....He also makes light of > IBOC's incompatibility with analog AM Stereo. From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Mar 23 14:33:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Mar 2002 22:33:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 59360 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2002 22:33:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2002 22:33:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2002 22:33:52 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-101.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.101]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2NMXc0I002991 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 16:33:39 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <005501c1d2bb$1d88b3a0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020323052040.80691.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Crutchfield / Bose Bozos Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 16:36:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Got their 800 number handy so I can give them a jingle? ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Johnny Electron > I've also bugged Crutchfield again about an AMS for my car, From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Mar 23 19:51:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 24 Mar 2002 03:51:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 94172 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2002 03:51:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2002 03:51:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2002 03:51:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2002 03:51:32 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 03:51:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: More web site update Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 6214 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics The web site page on Aftermarket AM Stereo car radios is now complete. It doesn't seem to take too long for all the pictures to load so I kept it on one page. Be sure to check out the scans from Radio Shack catalogs featuring the two AM Stereo car radios they sold from 1985 to 1991. I also have the catalog entry for the Realistic TM-152 home tuner that will be included on the home stereo systems/tuners page. FYI, the first Radio Shack "Realistic" car radio with AM Stereo was officially introduced on November 15, 1985 at a price of US$139.95, and the Realistic TM-152 home tuner was introduced on November 30, 1985 at a price of US$59.95. The Realistic TM-152 was also sold in Australia (as the schematic for it mentions an Australian version built for a 240-volt AC supply), but I am not sure about the car radios, since they are digital tuning and likely would not support Australia's 9 kHz channel spacing. Speaking of Down Under, here is an information-packed newsgroup message about Aussie AM Stereo that Google turned up: ===================================================================== From: Hot Hits (hothitsstereo10@hotmail.com) Subject: Re: AM Stereo stations in Australia Newsgroups: aus.radio.broadcast Date: 2001-12-05 02:02:35 PST "<><>" wrote in message news:<3c0ca6a3$0$19080$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>... > i'd like to take this oportunity and ASK, does any one here have > any am stereo capable home tuners? When AM Stereo was launched on Feb 1 1985 It was quoted that 8 out of every 10 radio listeners who favour AM Stations could now listen in Stereo. In Brisbane I think 4BK was one of the original test broadcasters back in about 1983 along with Radio 10 and 4KQ. I remember seeing the equipment in at the old Queen St studios in Newspaper house. It was quite easy for Radio 10 to test because the new studios (4 On Air & 1 Production in Brisbane plus Full On Air Studios at Grundys in The Paradise Centre on the Gold Coast and the little Studio in the Surf Lifesavers Tower at Alexander Headlands on the Sunshine Coast) were allready wired to go in Stereo and they remained unchanged almost up until the shift to The TAB Building in 1990. By Feb 1985 4BK was in the New Bowen Hills Building and I Remember 4BH had a Refit with new gear and I can't remember what was happening at KQ but they were all ready to go on the same day. 4GG and 4SS were also well set up long before the start date along with 612 4QR which was the only ABC Station in Southern Qld to Go AM Stereo. The ABC's 4SO the old Southport station was only on over the holiday periods and this was replaced by coast FM late in 1980's (1988???)An It was still in mono. Radio 10 was a real pusher of AM Stereo. In the Christmas New Year period of 1984 (3 months before the official launch) I remember all the new Stereo 10 banners going up along the South East freeway and the highway to the Sunshine coast reminding drivers to take it carefully on the road and merry Christmas from Stereo 10. A number of car Audio shops around South East Qld were selling AM Stereo radios and even the K Mart auto section had a good range. This was before Feb 1 1985. Some stations were on testing especially on the Thursday nights and Audio shops could demonstrate the product. A lot were sold and a lot of people bought AM Stereo radios by default not even realising that they had the capability. This was good for radio 10 and even people would ring to find out what duty free stores contained recievers. The following radios were readilly available in Brisbane stores and you could by them nearly everywhere. CAR STEREOS Concord HPL 500, AWA Clarion 990E,Sony Walkman,Pioneer KEA 433AM Sansui, Eurovox MCC 2330R & 2301R, Plus all the Voxon Car Range HOME Marantz SR 440, Sansui SX 1100, Sherwood, Yamaha plus all the Voxon Home Range I Think the most popular of them all was the SONY 1 Rack Unit tuner. It had excellent specifications and was suitable for both Professional and domestic use. I know a lot of people who have these units and still enjoy the quality. Though a number have had battery complications. Jacar made a conversion kit for about $19.00 and the big one of them all was the Playmaster kit from Dick Smith that had very good specifications. The original off air monitor at Radio 10 was this playmaster kit in a rack case and to my knowledge it is still in use at the TAB Studios. It sounded great in the cans and the distortion was minimal. 4KQ used the Pioneer KE 433AM car tuner for off air monitoring and 4BH used (I Think) General Electronic Developments 1124s monitor reciever. (4GY Still use theirs now and have a Late Model Stereo Set up but keep it switched off from Stereo). A lot of country stations simply used the Voxon Car radio that won an award for superior sound as the standard monitor. The Holden Commodores from about 1986 contained standard eurovox AM Stereo Radios. BMW had a similar Eurovox standard up until about 1993. Toyota put standart Philips AM Stereo radios in all their Camrys from 1986 until about 1991. They continued well into the 1990's in their Land Cruisers. The EA Fairmonts ,Fairlanes and LTD's contained AM Stereo Radios up until the Next Model was released which then discontinued the feature but still contained the Wide Band selector switch which was what really made AM Stereo Good. You could probably find these in second hand shops or wreckers. 2BS 2HD 2KO 2KY 2MW 2OO 2WL 3AK 3DB 3MP 3XY 4SS 6IX 6KY 6PM 6PR 7HO & 7HT used Exciters And Modulation Monitors from Delta Electronics Co to convert their transmitters and also chose CRL Audio processing. This may help you find something to use to listen in but most importantly look for the wide band feature on the unit. By the way the old 4BK Black Thunders had Voxon car radios in AM Stereo in them and when John Knox finished reading the news on day 1 of AM Stereo he ended with This is 1296AM Stereo 4BK. Stereo 10 had the Jingle S T E R E O T E N radio 10 in STEREO. It was exciting to be in AM Radio when Stereo was launched! ===================================================================== From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Mar 23 20:54:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 24 Mar 2002 04:54:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 38190 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2002 04:54:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2002 04:54:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14202.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.144) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2002 04:54:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20020324045436.47325.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.162.18.173] by web14202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 20:54:36 PST Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 20:54:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: IBOC cannot be used at night-time; Daytime only. DOA. To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio From the pages of BE (Broadcast Engineering) Radio Magazine: "NRSC Endorses AM IBOC for Daytime Only By John Battison, technical editor, RF Washington, DC - Mar 21, 2002 - The NRSC's AM IBOC working group will potentially recommend to the FCC that Ibiquity's AM IBOC is suitable for use during daytime hours only. The committee's results show that AM IBOC during the day yields performance comparable to that of FM IBOC. Nighttime operation of the AM IBOC system has outstanding issues due to first- and second-adjacent channel problems. Ibiquity has already stated that it does not expect AM IBOC to work via sky wave signals because of the three subcarriers that occupy the 15kHz mask. This means that AM IBOC will rely solely on ground wave propagation." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ From amfmdx@fastq.com Sat Mar 23 21:21:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 24 Mar 2002 05:21:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 81857 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2002 05:21:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2002 05:21:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2002 05:21:50 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d112-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.144]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g2O5Lnn25267 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 22:21:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <005001c1d2f3$bb25ff40$90f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <20020324045436.47325.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC cannot be used at night-time; Daytime only. DOA. Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 22:21:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 > "NRSC Endorses AM IBOC for Daytime Only > By John Battison, technical editor, RF Well DUH! Seems that a lot of people have been saying this since the first discussions of IBOC. This has always made me wonder why NBFM was not used on MW if you were going to change things. NBFM would work. It would be as big a change as going to IBOC but NBFM would work fine. Then why change if you don't have to? Kevin Mesa, Arizona From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Sat Mar 23 21:22:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 24 Mar 2002 05:22:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 44013 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2002 05:22:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2002 05:22:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2002 05:22:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2002 05:22:22 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 05:22:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: More web site update Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1631 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.150.75.93 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 Thanks for the update!! It looks great! Some very nice and big photos of various radios. I have been using your page as a link to any "Offenders of the Faith" who think that only 1% of the population have access to AMS radios. Jokes on them! I have gotten some replies and they have been quite suprised actually! I collect car brochures so I'll check those and scan the catalog entries for them. I have scans of the Denon TU-680NAB and Sony SRF-42 brochure entries in the "Files" section of this group for your use. I also can get some nice photos of the Sony ST-JX220A which has become my new DXing baby! The sensitivity and selectivity is excellent. The farthust I have clocked was WHO Des Moines which is about 1100 Kms from my house. Not bad with just a stock AM Loop antenna. The unit has very bright and colorful lights for AM IF (green) and STEREO (read) and the LCD is a nice aqua blue. Even the MONO light lights up with a orange light for those terrible mono broadcasts!! I can get some nice pictures of the tuner locked into CFCO and WJR (both local) plus WAAM, WGN, WFAN,WPHT, WLS CIGM at night. Also if anybody cares, I isolated the buzzing noise that was hindering my AM Stereo listening experience. After turning off every electronic in my room including the lights I still got the buzzing noise. But when my roommate went away for the weekend he finally turned off his computer, which is usually on 24/7. Tada!!! The buzzing is gone and I have been capturing glorious AM Stereo broadcasts since! I still can't believe that I can get a stereo broadcast from New York and such! MattH From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sat Mar 23 23:45:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 24 Mar 2002 07:45:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 57376 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2002 07:45:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2002 07:45:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2002 07:45:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2002 07:45:53 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 07:45:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC cannot be used at night-time; Daytime only. DOA. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020324045436.47325.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1448 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.162 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., Johnny Electron wrote: > Ibiquity > has already stated that it does not expect AM IBOC to work via sky > wave signals because of the three carriers that occupy the 15kHz > mask. What's this? A 15KHz mask. Now if they were talking about a full bandwidth of 15KHz, that is +/-7.5KHz, then three carriers can't fit within that so they must be talking about +/-15KHz which would occupy 3 carriers. This sounds like that IBOC is transmitting beyond the 10.2KHz NRSC limit. Now they are right that this wouldn't cause any problems during daytime and neither would C-QuAM AMS. If this is the case then what was their motive for limiting analog AM to 10.2KHz for daytime? From what I understand it was the NAB, correct me if I'm wrong, that proposed the NRSC standards to the FCC. Could this have been done to hobble the fidelity of analog AMS so IBOC would sound vastly better? The audio between 7.5-12.5KHz is where all the crispness is esp. cymbals and cutting it in half at 10.2KHz makes it sound muted and gives it a ringing quality. This may sound conspiratorial but I wouldn't put it past them. Remember, talk about digital AM started awhile before this NRSC limit was imposed. I estimated that doing IBOC with the 10.2KHz limit would probably give the equivalent BW of a 56K modem but I read some standards for AM-IBOC and and they specify 92K which would probably require a 15KHz mask. JSG From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Mar 24 12:10:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 24 Mar 2002 20:10:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 87008 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2002 20:10:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2002 20:10:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2002 20:10:00 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-67.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.67]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2OK9j0I026871 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 14:09:46 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001701c1d370$30e20040$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020324045436.47325.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> <005001c1d2f3$bb25ff40$90f9bed8@kredding430cdt> Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC cannot be used at night-time; Daytime only. DOA. Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 14:12:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude This was discussed on the Radio Tech forum several weeks ago. The way the old NFR was proposed, MW stations would transmit NBFM and then the signal would be multiplied and detected with a standard FM detector. The problem is, unlike an FM exciter which has a *clean* NBFM signal to multiply up to the carrier frequency, anything done on MW would be too narrow band to eliminate the noise. Thus the receiver would not only be multiplying the original signal, but all the interference with it, thus negating whatever benefits normally associated with a wideband FM signal. It sounded nice in theory. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin > This has always made me wonder why NBFM was not used on MW if you were going > to change things. NBFM would work. It would be as big a change as going to > IBOC but NBFM would work fine. From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Mar 24 14:16:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 24 Mar 2002 22:16:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 30840 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2002 22:16:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2002 22:16:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.5) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2002 22:16:37 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 9.165.a8aff62 (3892) for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 17:16:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <165.a8aff62.29cfaa40@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 17:16:32 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radios To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Chris, you might also want to get in touch with Panaxis...they offered modification kits for AM Stereo in the 1980s. They might be receptive to something having to do with AM Stereo. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://members.aol.com/n0uiheric/TurnOffClearChannel.html http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/turnoffclearchannel From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Mar 24 14:16:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 24 Mar 2002 22:16:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 5514 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2002 22:16:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2002 22:16:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.4) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2002 22:16:59 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 1.26.250a57cd (3892); Sun, 24 Mar 2002 17:16:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <26.250a57cd.29cfaa3d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 17:16:29 EST Subject: IBOC on AM: Daytime Only To: SOUNDOFF@topica.com Cc: WRFR@aol.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, irca@topica.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih This came from the AM Stereo E-mail list: From the pages of BE (Broadcast Engineering) Radio Magazine: "NRSC Endorses AM IBOC for Daytime Only By John Battison, technical editor, RF Washington, DC - Mar 21, 2002 - The NRSC's AM IBOC working group will potentially recommend to the FCC that Ibiquity's AM IBOC is suitable for use during daytime hours only. The committee's results show that AM IBOC during the day yields performance comparable to that of FM IBOC. Nighttime operation of the AM IBOC system has outstanding issues due to first- and second-adjacent channel problems. Ibiquity has already stated that it does not expect AM IBOC to work via sky wave signals because of the three subcarriers that occupy the 15kHz mask. This means that AM IBOC will rely solely on ground wave propagation." Comments on AM IBOC from Kevin Redding, Mesa, AZ: "Well DUH! Seems that a lot of people have been saying this since the first discussions of IBOC." "This has always made me wonder why NBFM was not used on MW if you were going to change things. NBFM would work. It would be as big a change as going to IBOC but NBFM would work fine." Michigan DXer Robert Grant proposed "MF-FM" back in the 1980s; what was confusing was that he proposed using as "dial settings" 108-132; those frequencies, in reality, take up a MAJORITY of the VHF Aviation band. AM is used on the VHF Aviation band. This from a Toledo engineer who does business as "Johnny Electron": "What's this? A 15KHz mask. Now if they were talking about a full bandwidth of 15KHz, that is +/-7.5KHz, then three carriers can't fit within that so they must be talking about +/-15KHz which would occupy 3 carriers. This sounds like that IBOC is transmitting beyond the 10.2KHz NRSC limit. Now they are right that this wouldn't cause any problems during daytime and neither would C-QuAM AMS. If this is the case then what was their motive for limiting analog AM to 10.2KHz for daytime? From what I understand it was the NAB, correct me if I'm wrong, that proposed the NRSC standards to the FCC. Could this have been done to hobble the fidelity of analog AMS so IBOC would sound vastly better? The audio between 7.5-12.5KHz is where all the crispness is esp. cymbals and cutting it in half at 10.2KHz makes it sound muted and gives it a ringing quality. This may sound conspiratorial but I wouldn't put it past them. Remember, talk about digital AM started awhile before this NRSC limit was imposed. I estimated that doing IBOC with the 10.2KHz limit would probably give the equivalent BW of a 56K modem but I read some standards for AM-IBOC and and they specify 92K which would probably require a 15KHz mask". This would give excellent ammunition to the anti-IBOC forces. IBOC is not only INCOMPATIBLE with analog AM, but also INCOMPATIBLE with analog FM. Which makes DMX (Digital Music Express) on my cable system a tempting alternative: I've got DMX now. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://members.aol.com/n0uiheric/TurnOffClearChannel.html http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/turnoffclearchannel From joen3wtv@yahoo.com Sun Mar 24 14:47:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: joen3wtv@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 24 Mar 2002 22:47:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 99124 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2002 22:47:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2002 22:47:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11702.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2002 22:47:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20020324224737.22724.qmail@web11702.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.155.45.103] by web11702.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 14:47:37 PST Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 14:47:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radios To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <165.a8aff62.29cfaa40@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: joe elias X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=35888484 X-Yahoo-Profile: joen3wtv real good article.thanks for sharing. joe --- n0uiheric@aol.com wrote: > Chris, you might also want to get in touch with > Panaxis...they offered > modification kits for AM Stereo in the 1980s. They > might be receptive to > something having to do with AM Stereo. > > 73 and good DX from Eric > Amateur Radio Station N0UIH > Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN > Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 > DXing The World since 1981 > Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! > http://members.aol.com/n0uiheric/TurnOffClearChannel.html > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/turnoffclearchannel > ===== +++ PRAY THE ROSARY EVERYDAY +++ +++ O MARY CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN PRAY FOR US WHO HAVE RECOURSE TO THEE+++ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ From davidcoons@webtv.net Sun Mar 24 17:08:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: davidcoons@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 25 Mar 2002 01:08:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 84755 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2002 01:08:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2002 01:08:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net) (209.240.198.119) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2002 01:08:28 -0000 Received: from storefull-2315.public.lawson.webtv.net (storefull-2315.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.212.223]) by mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D3798F4 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 17:08:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-2315.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id RAA01187; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 17:08:27 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRhzb4l/rlb3lXmsUYrMXGkNSvagAIUfHt/3sB5g4aB3dzBcJswY5oRvXo= Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 20:08:27 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC cannot be used at night-time; Daytime only. DOA. Message-ID: <19800-3C9E788B-320@storefull-2315.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Johnny Electron 's message of Sat, 23 Mar 2002 20:54:36 -0800 (PST) Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-From: davidcoons@webtv.net (David Coons) From: davidcoons@webtv.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10533228 since full fidelity analog,local daytime am also is of fm quality whats the point?..just give us quality c-quam recievers From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Mar 24 19:56:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 25 Mar 2002 03:56:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 99752 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2002 03:56:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2002 03:56:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2002 03:56:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2002 03:56:10 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 03:56:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1 watt Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1487 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.93.7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics If you've ever wondered how much area a 1-watt AM signal can cover, here is an example: http://www.radio-locator.com/pats/KLEY_AM_LN.gif This is the nighttime coverage pattern for 1130 KLEY in Wellington, KS, with a directional 1-watt signal. They are 250 watts during daytime hours. It would be interesting to find out what the lowest-power licensed station using AM Stereo is. I know WJIB 740 AM Stereo in Cambridge, MA has a 5-watt nighttime signal, but they broadcast it in plain mono. As far as daytime power goes, I recall encountering one AM Stereo station with about a 170-watt daytime signal. The lowest the FCC has ever licensed a "real" AM station to use during the day is 100 watts, later increased to a 250-watt minimum.... although once a station has their license, they can apply for a change to a lower power, such as WWTR 1170 in Bridgewater, NJ which was licensed for 500 watts directional and then changed to 243 watts non-directional. p.s. Speaking of 740 WJIB, anybody know if their AM Stereo is up and running again? When they installed a new NAUTEL transmitter in about August of last year, they initially set it up for mono with plans to work on getting it back in Stereo "soon". I e-mailed the owner of WJIB, Bob Bittner, and he said that several listeners had complained about the lack of Stereo and that WJIB would eventually be back in Stereo when they got the equipment set up and adjusted correctly with the new transmitter. From crrf@bdg.centrin.net.id Mon Mar 25 00:19:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: crrf@bdg.centrin.net.id X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 25 Mar 2002 08:19:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 54544 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2002 08:19:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2002 08:19:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bdg.centrin.net.id) (202.146.253.3) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2002 08:19:06 -0000 Received: from mph (DialupBdg228-198.centrin.net.id [202.146.228.198]) by bdg.centrin.net.id (8.11.5/8.11.5) with SMTP id g2P8Isv10192; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 15:18:54 +0700 Message-ID: <003701c1d3b1$bbc35f60$c6e492ca@mph> To: "Transmitter" , "Radio Engineers Group" , "New Old Stock" , "HF Technics" , "Amateur Radio" , "AM Stereo Forum" , "All Pirate Radio" Subject: AM-PDM Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 10:57:30 +0700 Organization: CR Engineering MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 From: "Christtijanto" Reply-To: "Christtijanto" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107619901 Hello all. Do somebody here know about Pulse Duration Modulator techniques on the AM transmitter ? Thanks. Regards, Christtijanto. From jwelton@nautel.com Mon Mar 25 06:27:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 25 Mar 2002 14:27:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 75146 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2002 14:27:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2002 14:27:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserver.nautel.com) (24.222.4.134) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2002 14:27:24 -0000 Received: FROM jeff-welton BY mailserver.nautel.com ; Mon Mar 25 10:27:24 2002 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 10:26:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM-PDM Cc: crrf@bdg.centrin.net.id Message-ID: <3C9EFB64.9009.5E17B3@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <003701c1d3b1$bbc35f60$c6e492ca@mph> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body From: "Jeff Welton" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 > Do somebody here know about Pulse Duration Modulator techniques on the > AM transmitter ? Christtijanto: We design and manufacture PDM driven transmitters. What do you need to know? Jeff Welton Nautel Customer Service Dept. Tel.: 1-902-823-3900 ext. 127 Fax: 1-902-823-3183 email: jwelton@nautel.com From jsgil@hal-pc.org Mon Mar 25 07:50:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 25 Mar 2002 15:50:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 63405 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2002 15:50:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2002 15:50:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2002 15:50:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2002 15:50:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 15:48:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC cannot be used at night-time; Daytime only. DOA. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <19800-3C9E788B-320@storefull-2315.public.lawson.webtv.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 895 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.251 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., davidcoons@w... wrote: > since full fidelity analog,local daytime am also is of fm quality whats > the point?..just give us quality c-quam recievers I tried to post this yesterday but it hasn't showed up yet so I'm posting it again. My original post will probably show up as another Yahoo SNAFU like it did the last time. But it's not the same. Daytime broadcasts must observe the 10.2KHz limit also and that extra 5KHz of bandwidth makes all the difference in the world. If a full 15KHz signal is transmitted and a quality C-QuAM receiver had a wide 15KHz filter You would not be able to tell the difference on strong signals. Even on weaker signals with loud (rock) music the background noise is masked. Even if we had half of that (2.5KHz) this would be a great improvement as most of the relevent energy starts to die off between 12.5KHz and 15KHz. JSG From Bossmsx@aol.com Mon Mar 25 13:51:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 25 Mar 2002 21:51:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 4249 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2002 21:51:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2002 21:51:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2002 21:51:13 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 1.99.23e483fc (15700) for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 16:51:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mow-m26 (mow-m26.webmail.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v84.12) with ESMTP id MAILINID52-0325165105; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 16:51:05 -0500 Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 16:51:05 EST Subject: SRF-42 problems..... To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <99.23e483fc.29d0f5c9@aol.com> From: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx I'm not sure if there's a problem with my SRF-42... ..Seems every time I use it to tune in an AMS station there's an underlying 'hiss' to it... Has anyone else experienced this? tony s. From Bossmsx@aol.com Mon Mar 25 13:52:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 25 Mar 2002 21:52:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 90401 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2002 21:52:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2002 21:52:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d10.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.42) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2002 21:52:48 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 3.6c.19ab4680 (16109) for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 16:52:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mow-m30 (mow-m30.webmail.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by air-id12.mx.aol.com (v84.12) with ESMTP id MAILINID121-0325165238; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 16:52:38 1900 Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 16:52:38 EST Subject: TA-8124 To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <6c.19ab4680.29d0f626@aol.com> From: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx Has the TA-8124 chip been used in any made-for-US radios (aside from Chris Cuff's radios), or has its appearance been strictly limited to Japan? tony s. From davidcoons@webtv.net Mon Mar 25 15:16:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: davidcoons@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 25 Mar 2002 23:16:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 24361 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2002 23:16:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2002 23:16:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net) (209.240.198.118) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2002 23:16:05 -0000 Received: from storefull-2312.public.lawson.webtv.net (storefull-2312.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.212.220]) by mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id 05FC312E4 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 15:16:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-2312.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id PAA01526; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 15:16:04 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhR9JPuIfSN3NdBiKvyE9sZcFKN8lgIVAIPjpjmjHHx8OCQPxclM2YedjgNd Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:16:04 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} SRF-42 problems..... Message-ID: <1986-3C9FAFB4-2725@storefull-2312.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Bossmsx@aol.com's message of Mon, 25 Mar 2002 16:51:05 EST Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-From: davidcoons@webtv.net (David Coons) From: davidcoons@webtv.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10533228 is this on weak signals only?seems its high sensitivity along with a small ferrite rod is a problem. when recording wwbf(while in west kissimmee off 192) I had to have a select-a-tenna to increase signal to noise ratio to respectable levels From davidcoons@webtv.net Mon Mar 25 15:23:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: davidcoons@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 25 Mar 2002 23:23:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 51929 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2002 23:23:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2002 23:23:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net) (209.240.198.118) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2002 23:23:31 -0000 Received: from storefull-2312.public.lawson.webtv.net (storefull-2312.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.212.220]) by mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id 37675D60 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 15:23:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-2312.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id PAA01861; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 15:23:31 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQ6TwSR562WJSWsoRh6+O96DOAWsQIVAMoeymO4kkYu/58I03oDFqqvz8U6 Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:23:30 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC cannot be used at night-time; Daytime only. DOA. Message-ID: <1990-3C9FB172-1062@storefull-2312.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "jsgilst" 's message of Mon, 25 Mar 2002 15:48:02 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-From: davidcoons@webtv.net (David Coons) From: davidcoons@webtv.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10533228 to an audiophile its not quite equal,but for practical purposes 10k is very close to 15k if you tweak the top end a bit...at least to my ears From 1377.3mp@start.com.au Mon Mar 25 16:42:48 2002 Return-Path: <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Sender: 1377.3mp@start.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 26 Mar 2002 00:42:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 85677 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2002 23:48:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2002 23:48:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2002 23:48:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2002 23:42:03 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 02:13:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: IBOC and DRM - What's the diff ? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 153 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Originating-IP: 213.121.70.222 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69495942 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan So do the IBOC findings apply to the European version DRM (www.drm.org) ? If you can't use IBOC (or DRM also ?) at nighttime then what is the point ? From jsgil@hal-pc.org Mon Mar 25 17:10:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 26 Mar 2002 01:10:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 46294 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2002 00:21:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2002 00:21:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2002 00:21:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2002 23:50:04 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 23:13:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Philips' Chip Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 440 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.130.78 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst I understand that Philips made an AMS decoder chip and I think Toyota used it in their radios. Was this a true C-QuAM chip or a generic 4-Way device? If it was C-QuAM what was the performance like compared to the Motorola chips. Was the TA-8124 just a 4-Way decoder or did it also do C-QuAM correctly? Does anyone have datasheets on any of these 2 chips and if so do they have any info on the internal workings like block diagrams? JSG From smpoole7@bellsouth.net Mon Mar 25 17:45:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: smpoole7@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 26 Mar 2002 01:45:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 90226 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2002 00:46:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2002 00:46:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2002 00:46:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2002 23:56:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 04:18:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Help me with treachery and collusion! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3C9B505A.8155.1843A12@localhost> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 381 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "professorpoole" X-Originating-IP: 209.214.104.192 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25309165 X-Yahoo-Profile: professorpoole > I know Stephen can vouch for the ability of the XL60 ... Yup. By the way, we had a fuse in a power module blow, and I can't remember whether we talked to you or someone else, but we decided that it may have simply been a defective fuse. (Hey, it happens.) Aside from that, I have had no problems. And yes, the AM stereo sounds DELICIOUS and is completely trouble-free. :) From jsgil@hal-pc.org Mon Mar 25 17:49:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 26 Mar 2002 01:49:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 90376 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2002 00:05:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2002 00:05:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2002 00:05:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2002 23:50:09 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 02:44:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC cannot be used at night-time; Daytime only. DOA. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <19800-3C9E788B-320@storefull-2315.public.lawson.webtv.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 706 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.131.83 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., davidcoons@w... wrote: > since full fidelity analog,local daytime am also is of fm quality whats > the point?..just give us quality c-quam recievers But it's not. Daytime broadcasts must observe the 10.2KHz limit also and that extra 5KHz of bandwidth makes all the difference in the world. If a full 15KHz signal is transmitted and a quality C-QuAM receiver had a wide 15KHz filter You would not be able to tell the difference on strong signals. Even on weaker signals with loud (rock) music the background noise is masked. Even if we had half of that (2.5KHz) this would be a great improvement as most of the relevent energy starts to die off between 12.5KHz and 15KHz. JSG From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Mar 25 20:34:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 26 Mar 2002 04:34:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 41691 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2002 01:41:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2002 01:41:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2002 01:41:41 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-223.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.223]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2Q1fO0I008757 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 19:41:25 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <002101c1d467$b3569340$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC cannot be used at night-time; Daytime only. DOA. Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 19:43:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude That brings up a good point. The NRSC mask was devised to relieve the splatter from one channel to another, especially in the overcrowded northeast. To some extent it really did work, though it sucks for those of us in less congested areas who could still stand to benefit from a more hi-fi signal. The point being if the IBOC signal is that wide, there stands a chance it will be useless even during the day in the most congested areas. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: jsgilst > But it's not the same. Daytime broadcasts must observe the 10.2KHz > limit also and that extra 5KHz of bandwidth makes all the difference > in the world. >Even if we had half of > that (2.5KHz) this would be a great improvement as most of the > relevent energy starts to die off between 12.5KHz and 15KHz. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Mar 25 21:23:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 26 Mar 2002 05:23:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 62819 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2002 02:47:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2002 02:47:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2002 02:47:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2002 00:31:33 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 01:00:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Radios Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <165.a8aff62.29cfaa40@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1575 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.93.7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Chris, you might also want to get in touch with Panaxis...they > offered modification kits for AM Stereo in the 1980s. They might be > receptive to something having to do with AM Stereo. I have a Panaxis catalog from July 1993 and on the COVER they show the circuit diagram for Motorola's then-new MC13024 C-Quam integrated receiver chip. In the catalog they had an AM Stereo walkman-type receiver kit featuring this chip. Here is the catalog entry for it: ASR - AM STEREO RECEIVER ================================ Will wonders never cease? Now there's a C-QUAM AM Stereo receiver on an IC chip. A few external parts are added and away we go! Earphone volume makes it a very portable radio. An IC audio power amplifier can easily be added for speaker volume. Requires 2 AA batteries and earphone or speaker. Panaxis also offered a crystal controlled low-power AM transmitter, but unfortunately it was only mono (but with full 20-20,000 Hz audio response, less than 0.5% distortion, 0.005% carrier stability, and up to 300% modulation -- I'd like to see any Ramsey AM transmitter match those specs!). I asked on their BBS (dial-up Bulletin Board System, remember those??) circa 1995 and unfortunately they said the AM Stereo receiver kit had been discontinued by that time. Nevertheless, there is no reason why either Ramsey or Panaxis could not offer an AM Stereo reciever kit like this one. Even the MC13024 is a fine chip (VERY low distortion since the receiver and decoder are both built-in and are perfectly matched) when used correctly. From matthew.trim@eds.com Mon Mar 25 22:15:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 26 Mar 2002 06:15:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 89273 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2002 02:21:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2002 02:21:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns5.eds.com) (203.17.185.230) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2002 02:21:22 -0000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com (nnsy-3.eds.com [192.168.1.1]) by ns5.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g2Q2L5R27413 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:21:11 +1100 (EST) Received: from nnsy.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2Q2L1Z17987 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:21:03 +1100 (EST) Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2Q2L0k17967 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:21:00 +1100 (EST) Received: by AUSYM000 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:20:19 +1100 Message-ID: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542803F52F1C@AUSYM200> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1197AM - Switch Brisbane - Not in AMS :( Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:20:21 +1100 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Bad news... I'm going to email Jon and see if I can help him find an AMS Exciter... Maybe they are receptive to the idea as long as it doesn't cost them much... -----Original Message----- From: Brisbane's Switch 1197 [mailto:robert.bowyer@switchfm.com.au] Sent: Friday, 22 March 2002 5:38 PM To: Trim, Matthew L Subject: RE: [amstereo] 1197AM - Switch Brisbane Hi Matt To begin with we will not be broadcasting in stereo. But we are open to ideas and anybody you can put us on to to assist us. Send any info you have to jon@switch1197.com Cheers Robert Bowyer PS I noticed your email address is EDS? Which office do you work in? -----Original Message----- From: Trim, Matthew L [mailto:matthew.trim@eds.com] Sent: Friday, 22 March 2002 3:56 PM To: 'robert.bowyer@switchfm.com.au' Cc: 'info@switchfm.com.au' Subject: FW: [amstereo] 1197AM - Switch Brisbane Importance: High G'day Robert, Just wanted to confirm that you guys will be in AM Stereo when you launch? There is little cost in adding an AM Stereo exciter to an existing Transmitter. I've got engineering contacts in the US who are able to access these on the 2nd hand market cheaply and they are keen to volunteer their time to get you up and running in CQUAM stereo. They also have cheap AM Stereo decoder boards that can be easily fitted to radio's & tuners. I'm receiving a mini AM Stereo TX from the US in a week or two - would love the chance to demo it to you and your staff so you can appreciate the quality AM can provide (with a good quality receiver). Take care and look forward to hearing from you. Best Regards, Matthew Trim 0413 021 341 -----Original Message----- From: Trim, Matthew L Sent: Tuesday, 26 February 2002 9:27 To: 'Brisbane's Switch 1197' Subject: RE: [amstereo] 1197AM - Switch Brisbane G'day Rob, Just thought I'd check in and see how it's going? No rush.. just want to help! -----Original Message----- From: Brisbane's Switch 1197 [mailto:robert.bowyer@switchfm.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, 20 February 2002 16:18 To: Trim, Matthew L Subject: Re: [amstereo] 1197AM - Switch Brisbane My appologies I will get back to you shortly with a more detailed email Cheers Robert Bowyer Brisbane's Switch 1197 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trim, Matthew L" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 2:06 PM Subject: FW: [amstereo] 1197AM - Switch Brisbane Hi, I still haven't received a reply - please get back to me as I'd like to help! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Mar 25 22:35:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 26 Mar 2002 06:35:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 54747 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2002 06:35:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2002 06:35:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2002 06:35:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2002 06:18:26 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 06:18:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC cannot be used at night-time; Daytime only. DOA. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002101c1d467$b3569340$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1334 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.203 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > That brings up a good point. The NRSC mask was devised to relieve > the splatter from one channel to another, especially in the > overcrowded northeast. To some extent it really did work, though it > sucks for those of us in less congested areas who could still stand > to benefit from a more hi-fi signal. At least theoretically, an AM Stereo station could have the NRSC 10 kHz limit only applied to the L+R (mono) component, with the L-R (stereo) component having whatever frequency response is desired. Assuming there is no L+R/L-R crosstalk, this would not cause any extra splatter on mono radios (as they are insensitive to the phase modulated L-R component) and it would pass the NRSC mask as long as only mono audio is being applied to the transmitter during testing. And to make sure of that, the station could "pretend" their Stereo STL isn't working on the day of the FCC test and switch to a backup mono STL. Anyway, the result of this is not immediately noticeable as being any different than audio with full frequency response on both the L+R and L-R components. In fact, this effect is commonly produced by a cassette player whose head azimuth is a little out of adjustment -- in Stereo it sounds fine, and you can only hear the dulling of the L+R frequency response when you switch to mono mode. From dav259@csiro.au Tue Mar 26 00:16:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 26 Mar 2002 08:15:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 16569 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2002 08:15:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2002 08:15:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2002 08:15:59 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA16135 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 19:15:57 +1100 (EST) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 19:15:57 +1100 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: Magic 693 ... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public ... is celebrating its 8th birthday today. It has risen from the ashes of what was the licence of 3XY (which was rating an asterisk) and is sounding better than ever - live, local, and full AM stereo. The 2nd radio survey has just been released and Magic is consistently outrating the lowest rating FM commercial station Mix-FM - controlled by Clear Channel. From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Mar 26 01:11:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 26 Mar 2002 09:11:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 42442 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2002 09:11:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2002 09:11:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2002 09:11:17 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.29]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 04:05:34 -0500 Message-ID: <002d01c1d4a5$68d3fc20$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Philips' Chip Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 04:05:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 The only chip I have ever seen in Toyotas was the MC13020- I had talked to the chief design engineer at Philips back in '95, and he said that Philips never made an AM Stereo decoder IC. Now Tony asked about the TA8124- It was never used in USA bound equipment. The first use of it was in Aiwa's Japan market stereos, which began production in 1992. Sony even went to the TA8124 in some of their sets. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: jsgilst To: Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 6:13 PM Subject: {AMSF} Philips' Chip > I understand that Philips made an AMS decoder chip and From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Mar 26 01:36:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 26 Mar 2002 09:36:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 87699 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2002 09:36:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2002 09:36:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2002 09:36:50 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.29]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 04:31:07 -0500 Message-ID: <005301c1d4a8$fadf0a80$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542803F52F1C@AUSYM200> Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1197AM - Switch Brisbane - Not in AMS :( Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 04:31:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Cheer up Matt! Maybe when they hear your "convincer", things will change- it's on the way now to you. cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Trim, Matthew L To: Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 9:20 PM Subject: {AMSF} 1197AM - Switch Brisbane - Not in AMS :( > Bad news... I'm going to email Jon and see if I can help him find an AMS > Exciter... Maybe they are receptive to the idea as long as it doesn't cost > them much... From philipr@irac.pe.ca Tue Mar 26 07:27:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 26 Mar 2002 15:27:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 31666 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2002 15:27:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2002 15:27:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2002 15:27:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2002 15:27:02 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 15:26:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Philips boombox conversion to AM stereo Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1815 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Well, after searching unsuccessfully for a Philips Boombox, didn't I win one yesterday! Brought it home last night. It's an AZ1065 with a digital display tuner. By the way, Walmart Canada carries several Philips Boomboxes, for Canadian customers having trouble finding one. My hope is to convert this little beast into AM stereo, using the decoder board I received from Chris Cuff. FM section is decent, but unrermarkable - so is CD, cassette and overall sound - all these could be described as very good for the price on the box sticker $89 CDN. However, the AM pleasantly surprised me. I usually associate digital display receivers with muddy sound. This rig is quite decent - and really shows up differences in on air sound. For example, CKDH seems to have the best top end, followed by CKEC. CHTN's is fairly poor. CJFX sounds overmodulated - are they driving that beautiful 25kw Nautel too hard and messing up their AM stereo in the process? Sensitivity - hardly dx, but not bad. I was barely able to pick up CJLS last night, quite a feat - and an interesting one as they are AM stereo. Still, likely far to weak for proper stereo reception. In conclusion, I think this would be a good candidate for an AM stereo conversion. So, as I understand it - I'm looking for an IF output [likely out of an IC] perhaps at the location of an AM ceramic filter, to feed into the input of the decoder board. Then, the output of the decoder board needs to circle back into the audio amp input instead of an AM mono detected signal. Before I warm up my scope, any suggestions? I suspect that likely the hardest part will be taking this rig apart and getting it back together again. I would welcome any and all suggestions, tips / assistance so I can perform a successful conversion! From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Mar 26 10:04:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 26 Mar 2002 18:04:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 31596 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2002 18:04:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2002 18:04:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14208.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2002 18:04:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20020326180406.84099.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 10:04:06 PST Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 10:04:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: Mitsubishi Car Stereo-AMS button? To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I believe that this one has an AM Stereo button? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1341081008 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Mar 26 10:06:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 26 Mar 2002 18:06:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 4197 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2002 18:06:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2002 18:06:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14202.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.144) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2002 18:06:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20020326180609.54015.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 10:06:09 PST Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 10:06:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: iroc z factory gm radio tape with eq (UX-1?) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Appears to be a 1988 UX-1 Delco. Good radio to show-off AMS. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1815617379 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ From amfmdx@fastq.com Tue Mar 26 10:55:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 26 Mar 2002 18:55:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 5379 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2002 18:55:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2002 18:55:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2002 18:55:41 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d66-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.98]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g2QIten75699 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 11:55:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <001a01c1d4f7$c22e2820$62f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: Subject: XM Receivers Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 11:55:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am seeing eBay flooded with XM receivers. I wonder what this is saying? Kevin Mesa, Arizona "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society." ~ Mark Twain. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Mar 26 14:04:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 26 Mar 2002 22:04:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 47293 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2002 22:01:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2002 22:01:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2002 22:01:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2002 22:01:18 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 22:01:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC cannot be used at night-time; Daytime only. DOA. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001701c1d370$30e20040$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1553 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.78 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Scott Todd" wrote: > This was discussed on the Radio Tech forum several weeks ago. The way the > old NFR was proposed, MW stations would transmit NBFM and then the signal > would be multiplied and detected with a standard FM detector. The problem > is, unlike an FM exciter which has a *clean* NBFM signal to multiply up to > the carrier frequency, anything done on MW would be too narrow band to > eliminate the noise. Thus the receiver would not only be multiplying the > original signal, but all the interference with it, thus negating whatever > benefits normally associated with a wideband FM signal. It sounded nice in > theory. > > ST > It would probably be better to use PM. In the ARRL handbook they saw an advantage to NBPM over noise on AM even though it was only a 36deg deviation. If you use QuAM to generate the PM (no info on the in phase 'I'(L+R) and put all the signal in the 'Q'(L-R) channel) and not limit it during transmittion it will have the same bandwidth of an mono AM signal. If you take the deviation out to 72deg it will encode it in a non-linear PM fashion similar to mu-law giving a built in compandoring effect. Limiting it at the receiver strips the noise from the signal but it also C-QuAMs it so all you need is a C-QuAM decoder chip to remove the distortion and just matrix out the L-R signal. The only problem with this is that this allows only MONO to be transmitted whatever the angular modulation scheme is but it would offer a better advantage over noise. JSG From n0uiheric@aol.com Tue Mar 26 14:32:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 26 Mar 2002 22:32:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 47010 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2002 22:32:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2002 22:32:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.7) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2002 22:32:51 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 8.158.b331e5c (3870) for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 17:32:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <158.b331e5c.29d25110@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 17:32:48 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1 watt To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih KSTL 690 East St. Louis, IL (ex-St. Louis, MO; the city of license changed in 1996) runs 18 watts at night; in full, glorious AM Stereo. I can get a fairly strong signal at my location (17 miles NW) at night. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://members.aol.com/n0uiheric/TurnOffClearChannel.html http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/turnoffclearchannel From raydtuner@yahoo.com Tue Mar 26 14:41:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: raydtuner@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 26 Mar 2002 22:41:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 54711 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2002 22:41:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2002 22:41:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2002 22:41:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2002 22:41:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 22:41:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AMS Receptive and Proud ! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 271 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "raydtuner" X-Originating-IP: 63.183.46.213 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92072182 X-Yahoo-Profile: raydtuner FINALLY DXed in AMS, with my '92 Chrysler Infinity; mobile, daytime. The "ST" light came on when I tuned 630 CFCO! The signal was good for the distance and hour involved, and had a sound like FMS. RAY>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From matthew.trim@eds.com Tue Mar 26 14:47:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 26 Mar 2002 22:47:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 64551 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2002 22:47:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2002 22:47:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns5.eds.com) (203.17.185.230) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2002 22:46:44 -0000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com (nnsy-3.eds.com [192.168.1.1]) by ns5.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g2QMkcD12015 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 09:46:38 +1100 (EST) Received: from nnsy.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2QMkaC07489 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 09:46:36 +1100 (EST) Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2QMka207484 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 09:46:36 +1100 (EST) Received: by AUSYM000 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 09:46:36 +1100 Message-ID: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542803F52F24@AUSYM200> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} 1197AM - Switch Brisbane - Not in AMS :( Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 09:45:59 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Thanks Chris! Here's hoping! :) What address did you send it to? :) -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Cuff [mailto:ccuff@in4web.com] Sent: Tuesday, 26 March 2002 7:31 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1197AM - Switch Brisbane - Not in AMS :( Cheer up Matt! Maybe when they hear your "convincer", things will change- it's on the way now to you. cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Trim, Matthew L To: Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 9:20 PM Subject: {AMSF} 1197AM - Switch Brisbane - Not in AMS :( > Bad news... I'm going to email Jon and see if I can help him find an AMS > Exciter... Maybe they are receptive to the idea as long as it doesn't cost > them much... Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From n0uiheric@aol.com Tue Mar 26 14:52:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 26 Mar 2002 22:52:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 6137 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2002 22:32:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2002 22:32:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2002 22:32:52 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.8.2391b6c6 (3870) for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 17:32:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8.2391b6c6.29d2510e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 17:32:46 EST Subject: Resubmitting the AM Receiver Standards Petition? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Hey Scott, what would you think of resubmitting the AM Receiver Standards Petition? Nothing much came of it; do you think more signatures are needed before the FCC can give this an NPRM number? 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://members.aol.com/n0uiheric/TurnOffClearChannel.html http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/turnoffclearchannel From KC4QLP@aol.com Tue Mar 26 15:23:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 26 Mar 2002 23:23:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 41648 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2002 23:23:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2002 23:23:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r03.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.99) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2002 23:23:01 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 7.92.236932a8 (16782) for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 18:17:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <92.236932a8.29d25b77@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 18:17:11 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC cannot be used at night-time; Daytime only. DOA. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 3/26/02 5:07:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, jsgil@hal-pc.org writes: << If you take the deviation out to 72deg it will encode it in a non-linear PM fashion similar to mu-law giving a built in compandoring effect. Limiting it at the receiver strips the noise from the signal but it also C-QuAMs it so all you need is a C-QuAM decoder chip to remove the distortion and just matrix out the L-R signal. The only problem with this is that this allows only MONO to be transmitted whatever the angular modulation scheme is but it would offer a better advantage over noise. >> It might be possible to have stereo if you took the approach that FM stations use to generate stereo. You just have to figure out what pilot frequency would work best to do this with. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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"Here's your chance to own a rare piece of electronics history." I am keeping a copy of the XM brochure, just so a few years from now I can look back at it and laugh. Meanwhile, Sirius satellite radio is also on the air. But Hello, anybody home?? There are no Sirius receivers to be found, and nobody is talking about it. From meridian3891@cs.com Tue Mar 26 15:31:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Meridian3891@cs.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 26 Mar 2002 23:31:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 6226 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2002 23:31:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2002 23:31:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m09.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.164) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2002 23:31:29 -0000 Received: from Meridian3891@cs.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 8.8f.196f3cbc (16035) for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 18:31:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from netscape.com (mow-d01.webmail.aol.com [205.188.138.65]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (v84.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID102-0326183121; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 18:31:21 -0500 Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 18:31:21 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New AMS modulator for SW stereo!!!! Message-ID: <2EF18138.03CA31F9.8852DB2E@cs.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: meridian3891@cs.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=48487815 X-Yahoo-Profile: onemeridian This is the website for Broadcast Techniques, a company which started making AMS modulators which are designed for variations of the Kahn system. WBCQ currently has such a unit for their 9335 kHz transmitter (hi-fi with sync detector), & is requesting permission from the FCC to utilize both sidebands independently with such a device for ISB STEREO broadcasts. This is not so they can broadcast 2 programs simultaneously, but for higher fidelity & separation. This sounds promising, especially with some of the music programs they currently have!! This is the website: http://www.broadcast-techniques.com WBCQ's websites: www.wbcq.net www.wbcq.com Tony KA3SVT From Bossmsx@aol.com Tue Mar 26 16:26:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 27 Mar 2002 00:26:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 19325 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2002 00:26:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2002 00:26:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r03.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.99) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2002 00:26:28 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 8.12f.eb7b14d (5708) for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 19:22:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from web38.aolmail.aol.com (web38.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.14]) by air-id04.mx.aol.com (v84.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID41-0326192234; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 19:22:34 -0500 Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 19:22:34 EST Subject: Re: SRF-42 problems (Second Post Attempt) To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <12f.eb7b14d.29d26aca@aol.com> From: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx <> No....It's on signals that aren't necessarily weak....I wasn't trying to record WWBF from Kissimmee as you were, I was actually alot closer to WWBF, I was in Winter Haven....The same applies to when I got hiss when recording 10kw nondirectional WMIB/1660 Marco Island, and I was in Sanibel (which is still within market limits, and fairly close to Marco Island). Tony Simon From davidcoons@webtv.net Tue Mar 26 16:34:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: davidcoons@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 27 Mar 2002 00:34:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 38221 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2002 00:34:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2002 00:34:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net) (209.240.198.118) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2002 00:34:31 -0000 Received: from storefull-2313.public.lawson.webtv.net (storefull-2313.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.212.221]) by mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id DA83F319 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 16:34:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-2313.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id QAA15884; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 16:34:30 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhR6qe2b3hTZsjTZja/S9uWQsbGriAIUCMQPNKSKJQJNmxfAL/vJswq+tXk= Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 19:34:30 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SRF-42 problems (Second Post Attempt) Message-ID: <23804-3CA11396-1614@storefull-2313.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Bossmsx@aol.com's message of Tue, 26 Mar 2002 19:22:34 EST Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-From: davidcoons@webtv.net (David Coons) From: davidcoons@webtv.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10533228 dont have the problem with mine on locals...1440 winter park is fine From Bossmsx@aol.com Tue Mar 26 19:26:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 27 Mar 2002 03:26:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 96507 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2002 03:26:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2002 03:26:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.8) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2002 03:26:03 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 3.14f.b2cf0f6 (15877) for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 22:25:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from web35.aolmail.aol.com (web35.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.11]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v84.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID74-0326222558; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 22:25:58 -0500 Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 22:25:58 EST Subject: Opening an SRF-A100 To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <14f.b2cf0f6.29d295c6@aol.com> From: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx Has anyone successfully opened up a Sony SRF-A100 to the point where you were able to look at the CX857 decoder chip? I'm trying to attempt this, just to look for the chip, but it appears to be a big feat, mainly because Sony was stupid enough to enclose the chip itself within a separate shield......I'm mainly worried that, once I open it, I won't be able to put the whole thing back together again...Any help on how to do this will be greatly appreciated. Tony Simon From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Mar 26 20:35:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 27 Mar 2002 04:35:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 79423 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2002 04:35:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2002 04:35:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2002 04:35:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2002 04:35:17 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 04:35:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New AM station in CT Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1303 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.68.33 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics ==================================================================== From Fybush.com *CONNECTICUT is getting a new AM station on an old frequency. It's been more than five years since WQQW (1590 Waterbury) went silent; soon, though, listeners in that area will have a new 1590 facility, licensed to nearby Oakville. The just-granted station, owned by Puerto Rico-based "Fair Communications Community," will run 500 watts day, 220 watts at night from a two-tower array just west of Route 8 on Frost Bridge Road, a few miles north of Waterbury. The pattern will aim vaguely northwest by day; at night, it will be a figure-eight aimed north and south, a far cry from the huge signal WQQW used to pump out before being bought by New York's WWRL and taken silent. ==================================================================== Doesn't sound like too spectacular of a facility, but since it is an all-new station, there is absolutely no reason for them to not be in Stereo except for cost. However, as compared to the entire cost of setting up a new radio station, the extra expense of the AM Stereo equipment is quite minimal. There is also a high likelihood they are using a transmitter such as the Broadcast Electronics AM-500, which comes standard with an AM Stereo exciter. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Mar 26 21:30:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 27 Mar 2002 05:30:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 33846 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2002 05:30:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2002 05:30:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2002 05:30:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2002 05:30:31 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 05:30:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Another high end AM Stereo tuner Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1119 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.68.33 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics This one has been around for a few years, and as far as I can determine, is still available: http://www.ada-usa.com/MT-3000_Bus_Page.html It's the ADA (Audio Design Associates) MT-3000, with AM Stereo, FM Stereo, TV Stereo (Audio & Video), and Shortwave (mono). From the specs, it appears to use the MC13022 C-Quam decoder chip, and is probably in the price range of the new Fanfare AMAX tuner, if not higher. Here are the relevant AM Stereo specs for the MT-3000: Tuning: 520 - 1730 kHz, with 10 kHz or 1 kHz tuning steps Audio response: 25 - 10,000 Hz "normal", 25 - 15,000 Hz "wide" Distortion at 1 kHz: 0.3% mono, 0.5% Stereo Stereo Separation at 1 kHz: 35 dB Signal-to-Noise ratio: 55 dB Switchable 10 kHz notch filter, Signal Quality Control, Stereo Blend, and Dynamic Noise Reduction (DNR) Here is a quote from a magazine review of the MT-3000: "Tuner performance is generally quite high, and the MT-3000 AM module, which is designed to use ADA's own amplified AM antenna, is one of the few high-performance AM tuners available." Sounds like a great tuner.... if you can afford it! From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Mar 26 22:04:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 27 Mar 2002 06:04:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 67675 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2002 06:04:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2002 06:04:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2002 06:04:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2002 06:04:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 06:04:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC cannot be used at night-time; Daytime only. DOA. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002101c1d467$b3569340$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1251 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.58 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Scott Todd" wrote: > That brings up a good point. The NRSC mask was devised to relieve the > splatter from one channel to another, especially in the overcrowded > northeast. To some extent it really did work, though it sucks for those of > us in less congested areas who could still stand to benefit from a more > hi-fi signal. The point being if the IBOC signal is that wide, there stands > a chance it will be useless even during the day in the most congested areas. That pretty much rules out any possibility for IBOC to be used in the NE. I wonder how effective a petition to the FCC would be to allow the use of a 15KHz mask during daytime in less conjested areas where interference is not an issue. In my area there are only 1 or 2 stations that are 20KHz away from another and most are at least 30KHz and some are as high as 60KHz. Well if IBOC radios are manufactured they will probably have nice ceramic 6 element +/-15KHz Gaussian filters to utilize the 15KHz mask. This would be perfect for a C-QuAM AMS conversion for the analog section of the radios, a perfect solution for these radios already in the market after IBOC has failed to be accepted by the public on a large scale. JSG From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Mar 26 22:22:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 27 Mar 2002 06:22:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 25897 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2002 06:22:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2002 06:22:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2002 06:22:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2002 06:22:31 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 06:22:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC cannot be used at night-time; Daytime only. DOA. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <92.236932a8.29d25b77@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 754 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.58 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., KC4QLP@a... wrote: > It might be possible to have stereo if you took the approach that FM stations > use to generate stereo. > You just have to figure out what pilot frequency would work best to do this > with. > > Bob Carter > Operations/Engineering > I actually have thought of this and if you did a DSB-SC like FM you would have to divide the total audio BW by 3 or if you used SSB-SC the BW would be divided by 2. Either way you would need sharp LPF to eliminate the SC in the final audio. The best would be using a 15KHz mask and SSB-SC and you could have 7.5KHz audio if you used a DSP LPF to completely eliminate anything above 7.5KHz. This would be quieter but only has ~70% of the audio BW of NRSC AM. JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Mar 26 22:30:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 27 Mar 2002 06:30:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 12616 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2002 06:30:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2002 06:30:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2002 06:30:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2002 06:30:53 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 06:30:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New AMS modulator for SW stereo!!!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2EF18138.03CA31F9.8852DB2E@cs.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 699 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.68.33 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > This is the website for Broadcast Techniques, a company which > started making AMS modulators which are designed for variations of > the Kahn system. > This is the website: > http://www.broadcast-techniques.com Can anybody convert the Windows Media Audio file on this web site to MP3 format? I don't have Windoze Media Player nor do I intend to install it! Also, it would be nice if it could be confirmed or denied whether or not that in 1993, the ITU (International Telecomm. Union, sort of like the worldwide FCC) approved use of C-QUAM AM Stereo on the 49 meter (6 MHz) and 31 meter (9 MHz) shortwave bands... I found this reported on one web site, which now I can't find again.... From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Mar 26 22:52:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 27 Mar 2002 06:52:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 79337 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2002 06:52:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2002 06:52:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2002 06:52:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2002 06:52:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 06:52:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New AMS modulator for SW stereo!!!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 869 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.58 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > Also, it would be nice if it could be confirmed or denied whether or > not that in 1993, the ITU (International Telecomm. Union, sort of like > the worldwide FCC) approved use of C-QUAM AM Stereo on the 49 meter > (6 MHz) and 31 meter (9 MHz) shortwave bands... I found this reported > on one web site, which now I can't find again.... With all the platform motion and selective fading on SW I don't see how you could use anything but some form of ISB. Well if the SW standard is C-QuAM and if I was a broadcaster then let me use a matrix processor that audio phase shifts L-R by 90deg and increase the L-R gain by 20% to improve opposite sideband suppression to compemsate for the effects of C-QuAMing. Existing C-QuAM receivers could use a phase shift network to recover the sidebands. JSG From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Mar 27 01:14:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 27 Mar 2002 09:14:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 7815 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2002 09:14:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2002 09:14:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2002 09:14:32 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.26]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 04:08:51 -0500 Message-ID: <003d01c1d56f$078f4300$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <12f.eb7b14d.29d26aca@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SRF-42 problems (Second Post Attempt) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 04:08:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Tony, remember that these sets are extremely wide bandwidth- during times of low or absent modulation, you will hear a rush. It is the nature of the beast.... CC ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 7:22 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: SRF-42 problems (Second Post Attempt) From philipr@irac.pe.ca Wed Mar 27 05:41:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 27 Mar 2002 13:41:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 30706 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2002 13:41:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2002 13:41:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2002 13:41:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2002 13:41:43 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 13:41:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: And the general public yawns at the mention of AM Radio Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3013 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Last night, while making a regular pilgrimage to Rat Shack ["where we clear out electronic components so we have room for kids toys"] [wish Toys R Us would start carrying electronic parts for us big kids! :) ]I happened to look at a new Jensen car stereo being carried. On the back of the box it listed AM specs, including frequency response - "30 Hz to 2000 Hz" At 2000 Hz, music would be unlistenable, and even voice would be difficult to discern. Of course the more expensive Jenson [$ 340 CDN] next to it boasts 30 to 3000. Now I'm really getting excited. While it would be nice for AM to go up to 15 khz - hey, 20 khz would be great - I'd settle for 9,500 Hz or so. Interestingly enough, this same Jensen rig quoted 30 Hz to 12,000 Hz for FM. Could this be an attempt to promote "new technology" whether IBOC [USA], Ereka 147 [the rest of civilization], or the XM foolishness? If the average Joe and Jane takes a double take when they hear a GE SR III on wideband [what would the top end be, my guess is 7000 hz] what we really need is a top end of 9000 hz plus. It's when AM comes with lots of highs that Joe and Jane start to say - hey, is this thing stereo? Hmmm - maybe we need to have a "hit list" of especially bad AM receivers, and a "bouquet list" of AM receivers with especially good top end - even if that means 5000 hz in a world of 2000 to 3000 hz. Then if we can encourage the public to buy better sounding AM radios, perhaps the manufacturers will get the idea that spending an extra three loonies per radio leads to increased sales, increased profits. The disinterest in AM stereo is part and parcel of a widespread disinterest in AM radio in general. If a manufacturer spends an extra dollar to make it's receiver wideband, maybe it can be encouraged to spend an extra 2 dollars for stereo. In some markets, FM is so over equalized in the top end that it is perceived by some as "distortion". Actually, when you think about the meaning of the word, they are right. Maybe AM going up to 10 khz or so will be perceived as more natural, and thus higher fi? Ramblings from the land of vanishing AM. Phil P.S. Oh yah, let's abandon a 25,000 watt AM Stereo flamethrower for 14,500 watts of Class B FM. Some have done even worse. Of course, some of these broadcast gurus forget that even in urban markets, people do drive. Watch that lovely little Class B picket fence itself into oblivion. And Oh yes, it's not static free, as you can hear lightening crashes in the background. And lots of co-channel interference, thanks to Cousin Troph [who visits often in the Maritimes, especially in the fall or the spring] or Uncle E who tends to only visit in hot weather. Yes, its great business sense to broadcast that "charming" little MBS Radio formula factory station in Moncton NB with a station from Boston [courtesy of Cousin Troph] or Nashville [courtesy of Uncle E] booming over it. Repeat after me, AM radio is multipath free... From crrf@bdg.centrin.net.id Wed Mar 27 06:35:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: crrf@bdg.centrin.net.id X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 27 Mar 2002 14:35:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 84159 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2002 14:34:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2002 14:34:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bdg.centrin.net.id) (202.146.253.3) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2002 14:34:52 -0000 Received: from mph (DialupBdg245-216.centrin.net.id [202.146.245.216]) by bdg.centrin.net.id (8.11.5/8.11.5) with SMTP id g2REXtv08219 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 21:33:55 +0700 Message-ID: <001e01c1d578$6240f2e0$d8f592ca@mph> To: "AM Stereo Forum" References: <3C9EFB64.9009.5E17B3@localhost> Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM-PDM Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 17:14:36 +0700 Organization: CR Engineering MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 From: "Christtijanto" Reply-To: "Christtijanto" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107619901 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Jeff, Nice to meet you. I work for Christian ministry radio which still operate a conventional type AM transmitter, using modulation transformer to modulate the carrier frequency. Now I try to built a solid state or vacuum tube tranmitter which using PD-Modulator system for the modulator and I try to build one with our ready-on-our-market parts, so it will lower the operational cost for the future. I've learnt some techniques for the PDM system, but I'm still a beginner on PDM area, before attempting to build one and get unexpected result, I try to learn more and ask another experienced engineer on the PDM area. Lucky to meet you here. I attach 2 files, Tube Modulator.jpg which is a schema for the modulator and Tube Modulator Filter.jpg which is a close up for PDM filter. My questions are: * Can we put a fixed minus bias for the g1 of the left QE08/200 tube ? I think with g1 resistor bias as shown on the schema, there is a danger if there is a missing on the input RF signal. The tube will burnt out. * How to determine the value of CRF inductor on the PDM Filter ? * How to determine the resistance of the modulated RF Amplifier ? So we can calculate the filter. * How to determine Filter characteristic ? * How much power capability of the inductors on the filter ? * Can we use an air core inductors for the filter, instead of the toroid ones, what the advantage of them ? * What parameters should we measure to determine the system is on a good operation ? * How to measure the above parameters ? * Do you have sorts of block diagrams and schematics for PDM systems ? It seems I'm really a beginner ....... Please help if you can. Thanks. Best Regards, Christtijanto. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Welton To: Cc: Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 9:26 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM-PDM > > Do somebody here know about Pulse Duration Modulator techniques on the > > AM transmitter ? > > Christtijanto: > > We design and manufacture PDM driven transmitters. What do you need > to know? > > Jeff Welton > Nautel Customer Service Dept. > Tel.: 1-902-823-3900 ext. 127 > Fax: 1-902-823-3183 > email: jwelton@nautel.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From crrf@bdg.centrin.net.id Wed Mar 27 06:41:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: crrf@bdg.centrin.net.id X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 27 Mar 2002 14:41:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 256 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2002 14:41:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2002 14:41:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bdg.centrin.net.id) (202.146.253.3) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2002 14:41:06 -0000 Received: from mph (DialupBdg246-189.centrin.net.id [202.146.246.189]) by bdg.centrin.net.id (8.11.5/8.11.5) with SMTP id g2REeAv11660; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 21:40:12 +0700 Message-ID: <003301c1d579$43647260$d8f592ca@mph> To: "Jeff Welton" , "AM Stereo Forum" Subject: Attachment Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 17:21:34 +0700 Organization: CR Engineering MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 From: "Christtijanto" Reply-To: "Christtijanto" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107619901 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeff, I send the jpg files to your e-mail address, the AMSF seems can't forward my attachments. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From joen3wtv@yahoo.com Wed Mar 27 06:53:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: joen3wtv@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 27 Mar 2002 14:53:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 69479 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2002 14:53:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2002 14:53:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11702.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2002 14:53:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20020327145345.52823.qmail@web11702.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.170.170.37] by web11702.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 06:53:45 PST Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 06:53:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} And the general public yawns at the mention of AM Radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: joe elias X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=35888484 X-Yahoo-Profile: joen3wtv the quality of am recievers has been declining for the last 10 years.i own a zenith transoceanic 1000 and a ge super tuner 2 .i wouldnt trade those 2 portables for anything except possibly a 6 meter rig.anyway the am band is a huge wasteland.too much sports talk and very little music......joe --- tubesareking wrote: > Last night, while making a regular pilgrimage to Rat > Shack ["where > we clear out electronic components so we have room > for kids toys"] > [wish Toys R Us would start carrying electronic > parts for us big > kids! :) ]I happened to look at a new Jensen car > stereo being > carried. On the back of the box it listed AM specs, > including > frequency response - "30 Hz to 2000 Hz" At 2000 Hz, > music would be > unlistenable, and even voice would be difficult to > discern. Of > course the more expensive Jenson [$ 340 CDN] next to > it boasts 30 to > 3000. Now I'm really getting excited. > > While it would be nice for AM to go up to 15 khz - > hey, 20 khz would > be great - I'd settle for 9,500 Hz or so. > Interestingly enough, > this same Jensen rig quoted 30 Hz to 12,000 Hz for > FM. Could this > be an attempt to promote "new technology" whether > IBOC [USA], Ereka > 147 [the rest of civilization], or the XM > foolishness? > > If the average Joe and Jane takes a double take when > they hear a GE > SR III on wideband [what would the top end be, my > guess is 7000 hz] > what we really need is a top end of 9000 hz plus. > It's when AM > comes with lots of highs that Joe and Jane start to > say - hey, is > this thing stereo? > > Hmmm - maybe we need to have a "hit list" of > especially bad AM > receivers, and a "bouquet list" of AM receivers with > especially good > top end - even if that means 5000 hz in a world of > 2000 to 3000 hz. > Then if we can encourage the public to buy better > sounding AM > radios, perhaps the manufacturers will get the idea > that spending an > extra three loonies per radio leads to increased > sales, increased > profits. The disinterest in AM stereo is part and > parcel of a > widespread disinterest in AM radio in general. If a > manufacturer > spends an extra dollar to make it's receiver > wideband, maybe it can > be encouraged to spend an extra 2 dollars for > stereo. > > In some markets, FM is so over equalized in the top > end that it is > perceived by some as "distortion". Actually, when > you think about > the meaning of the word, they are right. Maybe AM > going up to 10 khz > or so will be perceived as more natural, and thus > higher fi? > > Ramblings from the land of vanishing AM. > > Phil > > P.S. Oh yah, let's abandon a 25,000 watt AM Stereo > flamethrower for > 14,500 watts of Class B FM. Some have done even > worse. Of course, > some of these broadcast gurus forget that even in > urban markets, > people do drive. Watch that lovely little Class B > picket fence > itself into oblivion. And Oh yes, it's not static > free, as you can > hear lightening crashes in the background. And lots > of co-channel > interference, thanks to Cousin Troph [who visits > often in the > Maritimes, especially in the fall or the spring] or > Uncle E who > tends to only visit in hot weather. Yes, its great > business sense > to broadcast that "charming" little MBS Radio > formula factory > station in Moncton NB with a station from Boston > [courtesy of Cousin > Troph] or Nashville [courtesy of Uncle E] booming > over it. > > Repeat after me, AM radio is multipath free... > > ===== +++ PRAY THE ROSARY EVERYDAY +++ +++ O MARY CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN PRAY FOR US WHO HAVE RECOURSE TO THEE+++ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Mar 27 09:37:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 27 Mar 2002 17:37:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 41287 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2002 17:37:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2002 17:37:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO boron.vcn.com) (209.193.72.5) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2002 17:37:35 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.70]) by boron.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 10:37:35 -0700 To: Subject: Conversion Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 10:37:23 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello All I am pretty sure I can get some helpful advice here on this conversion I've done to my car stereo. Thanks to Chris Cuff I recieved my decoder board and put it in. This is on a stereo from a late 90s mitsubishi eclipse. I also have several units of the older mitsubishi stereos from the late 80s....I used one of those for a long time. I had one that was busted...so I went ahead and took the IF filter out and put it in this one that I converted. And yes, it worked beautifully. Opened the bandwidth right up and sounds very crisp and clean. This unit uses a Sanyo LA1137N chip for the AM tuner. Right now I am taking the IF input for the decoder right off the output of the IF filter. I think this is pure IF that I am injecting into the decoder, though. I noticed that the output off of the IF filter then goes INTO the LA1137N chip's IF input. Meanwhile if I come off of the IF output from the 1137N chip it seems that it is just too darn loud or like it "overpowers" the AMS decoder. Also...all of us who have done conversions know that when you do one, you have to DISCONNECT the output off of the 1137 chip that USED to feed the amp circuitry. So I even thought of taking THAT and feeding it into the decoder....then it is all AGC'd and it has all the selectivity it had before. Again....THAT output as well just seems too darn loud for the decoder. It's like it overmodulates the input. I notice when I put the decoder's IF input wire NEAR that output or NEAR the "IF OUT" pin on the 1137, it works great....just can't be touching it :) So I guess what I'm wondering is can I come off the IF output of the chip and/or the main output that used to feed the radio.....and go through..say....a 10K resistor THEN into the decoder? I thought when I did my conversion on my JVC home tuner, someone had suggested the use of a resistor like that but I don't remember what value they had suggested. For the time being, yeah...it works. But PURE IF is just a little too much. That is also how my JVC is wired as well....again...because the output off of the tuner chip (which I also believe is an 1137N) is just too hot for the decoder. Suggestions? Thanks MJR (traveling with a soldering iron in one holster and an SRF 42 in the other) in WYO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Mar 27 11:44:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 27 Mar 2002 19:44:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 42847 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2002 19:44:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2002 19:44:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2002 19:44:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2002 19:44:43 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 19:44:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New AMS modulator for SW stereo!!!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 944 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.47 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > With all the platform motion and selective fading on SW I don't see > how you could use anything but some form of ISB. Actually I have used an MC13028 C-Quam decoder in "forced Stereo" mode on Shortwave and the results are surprisingly good. During any propagation effects that would make the Stereo reception sound annoying, the decoder blends to Mono and stays there until the signal regains the stability needed for acceptable Stereo decoding. And due to the shorter wavelengths, the drop-outs from Stereo mode are shorter as well, so even with the naturally less stable signals on SW, the decoder is in Stereo mode more often than it would be on an AM/Mediumwave skywave signal of comparable strength. I have some MP3 recordings of C-Quam Shortwave Stereo (well, make that Stereo reception of Mono signals -- I haven't encountered any *real* SW Stereo signals yet!), and I will upload them to my site when I get a chance. From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Mar 27 11:47:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 27 Mar 2002 19:47:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 93489 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2002 19:47:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2002 19:47:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO host.warwick.net) (204.255.24.254) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2002 19:47:48 -0000 Received: from chris (qelapsvc.florida.ul.warwick.net [208.228.96.20]) by host.warwick.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2RJljf371919; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 14:47:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000701c1d5c8$326463e0$0501a8c0@warwick.net> To: Cc: Subject: Last call for "Alfredo lites" Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 14:47:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Fair warning- i only have 4 of the "Alfredo Lite" AM Stereo transmitters left. I will not be having any more boards made at this time, as by now, most every one that wanted one has one- the cost cannot be justified. The price is $100.00 plus $10.00 mail. These are currently on either 1000Khz or 1250Khz, but with the Cardinal oscillators, you can update to any frequency with my enclosed directions. The oscillators can be gotten from www.digikey.com using the following part #: CPPT4-HT5RP and also the desired frequency. (Note you must multiply the desired broadcast freq. by 4 for the correct frequency) Payment can be made by cards using www.paypal.com Thanks- Chris From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Mar 27 12:05:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 27 Mar 2002 20:05:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 39552 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2002 20:05:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2002 20:05:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2002 20:05:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2002 20:05:17 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 20:05:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: And the general public yawns at the mention of AM Radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3055 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.47 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > If the average Joe and Jane takes a double take when they hear a GE > SR III on wideband [what would the top end be, my guess is 7000 hz] > what we really need is a top end of 9000 hz plus. At that same Radio Shack you should have tried their Optimus portable AM/FM mono radio with "Extended AM Range" and "Tuned RF". This used to be the model 12-603A but they redesigned its case (electronics are the same) so it's a new model now. Flip its bandwidth switch to WIDE mode and you will get AM audio response well past 10 kHz -- it would sound exactly as crisp and clear as FM if you had an AM station transmitting 15 kHz of audio bandwidth. The GE Superadio III is only slightly less because it is AMAX certified and therefore has a 10 kHz intercarrier whistle filter. I haven't seen the exact specs for it, but assuming they use a relatively "sharp" (High Q) notch filer, it probably has good response up to at least the 9 kHz you desire. Another good wide-bandwidth AM receiver to be found at Radio Shack is their tiny, low-cost DX-397 shortwave receiver. It looks like a toy, but has surprisingly good reception on all bands (AM and SW) and the audio bandwidth is incredible -- just off-tune it a little bit away from the "center" of the signal and you get full 10+ kHz audio bandwidth (and unlike most cheap radios, the off-tuning to increase treble response does not create distortion in the sound). Just one tip for the DX-397: when on the AM/MW band, do not pull out the whip antenna, as that will pick up all sorts of images of SW stations on the AM band. But keep the antenna folded in and it works fine on AM. I got my DX-397 on sale for US$29.99. Like all Radio Shack shortwave radios, it is made by Sangean and that usually means horrible "tin can" AM sound quality, but this is one exception. And you also get this wide audio response on all of the Shortwave bands, so it can almost approach the quality and fidelity of the old vacuum tube shortwave receivers. > In some markets, FM is so over equalized in the top end that it is > perceived by some as "distortion". Actually, when you think about > the meaning of the word, they are right. Maybe AM going up to 10 khz > or so will be perceived as more natural, and thus higher fi? This is 100% correct. A cleanly processed AM station, mono or Stereo, will sound MUCH BETTER than a typically "squished to death" FM station, even with the 10 kHz audio limitation. AM also typically has a slight mid-range boost due to the shape of the pre-emphasis curve as compared to the response of receivers, so this is perceived by the listener as a greater "clarity" and "openness" of vocals and mid-range instruments such as the piano and guitar. When combined with the greater effective Stereo separation of AM Stereo, some say the result is that with AM Stereo, the lead signer sounds like he or she is properly singing from "in front of" the band, whereas on FM Stereo, their voice often gets "lost behind" or "drowned out by" the music. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Mar 27 12:10:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 27 Mar 2002 20:10:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 49525 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2002 20:10:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2002 20:10:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2002 20:10:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2002 20:10:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 20:10:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Last call for "Alfredo lites" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000701c1d5c8$326463e0$0501a8c0@warwick.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 606 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.47 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > These are currently on either 1000Khz or 1250Khz, but with the > Cardinal oscillators, you can update to any frequency with my > enclosed directions. Also note that a commonly available 6.000 MHz crystal will give you a nice signal on 1500 kHz. You can also use a 3.000 MHz crystal to put it on 750 kHz, but the signal coverage of low-power transmitters is not as good on the low end of the AM band. Anyway, I think it is about time Ramsey should be making these transmitters (as kits or fully assembled)! They claim to be interested in AM Stereo stuff, but so far it's all talk and no walk... From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Mar 27 12:13:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 27 Mar 2002 20:13:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 57540 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2002 20:13:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2002 20:13:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2002 20:13:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2002 20:13:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 20:13:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Conversion Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 370 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.47 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics If the IF signal is too strong for the AM Stereo decoder, just put it through a resistor. You can use a variable resistor to find out what resistance value works best to be just enough to get rid of the distortion/overloading on strong signals. If you have the room for it, you can even leave this variable resistor in place to serve as a "Sensitivity" control! From joen3wtv@yahoo.com Wed Mar 27 16:05:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: joen3wtv@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 28 Mar 2002 00:05:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 4772 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2002 00:05:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2002 00:05:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11706.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2002 00:05:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20020328000542.65524.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.170.170.25] by web11706.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 16:05:42 PST Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 16:05:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: And the general public yawns at the mention of AM Radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: joe elias X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=35888484 X-Yahoo-Profile: joen3wtv somebody correct me if im wrong,but isnt mono am restricted to 5 khz and stereo to 7.5 khz.the frequency response is fine.im just asking.my only comment is.if a station is going to broadcast in stereo,let them play music .broadcasting sports talk in stereo in my mind is a waste.we recently had a station drop their music programming in favor of talk.the first thing that changed ,was the fm outlet shut off its stereo transmitter...joe --- kevtronics wrote: > > If the average Joe and Jane takes a double take > when they hear a GE > > SR III on wideband [what would the top end be, my > guess is 7000 hz] > > what we really need is a top end of 9000 hz plus. > > At that same Radio Shack you should have tried their > Optimus portable > AM/FM mono radio with "Extended AM Range" and "Tuned > RF". This used > to be the model 12-603A but they redesigned its case > (electronics are > the same) so it's a new model now. Flip its > bandwidth switch to WIDE > mode and you will get AM audio response well past 10 > kHz -- it would > sound exactly as crisp and clear as FM if you had an > AM station > transmitting 15 kHz of audio bandwidth. > > The GE Superadio III is only slightly less because > it is AMAX > certified and therefore has a 10 kHz intercarrier > whistle filter. I > haven't seen the exact specs for it, but assuming > they use a > relatively "sharp" (High Q) notch filer, it probably > has good response > up to at least the 9 kHz you desire. > > Another good wide-bandwidth AM receiver to be found > at Radio Shack is > their tiny, low-cost DX-397 shortwave receiver. It > looks like a toy, > but has surprisingly good reception on all bands (AM > and SW) and the > audio bandwidth is incredible -- just off-tune it a > little bit away > from the "center" of the signal and you get full 10+ > kHz audio > bandwidth (and unlike most cheap radios, the > off-tuning to increase > treble response does not create distortion in the > sound). Just one > tip for the DX-397: when on the AM/MW band, do not > pull out the whip > antenna, as that will pick up all sorts of images of > SW stations on > the AM band. But keep the antenna folded in and it > works fine on AM. > > I got my DX-397 on sale for US$29.99. Like all > Radio Shack shortwave > radios, it is made by Sangean and that usually means > horrible "tin > can" AM sound quality, but this is one exception. > And you also get > this wide audio response on all of the Shortwave > bands, so it can > almost approach the quality and fidelity of the old > vacuum tube > shortwave receivers. > > > In some markets, FM is so over equalized in the > top end that it is > > perceived by some as "distortion". Actually, when > you think about > > the meaning of the word, they are right. Maybe AM > going up to 10 khz > > or so will be perceived as more natural, and thus > higher fi? > > This is 100% correct. A cleanly processed AM > station, mono or Stereo, > will sound MUCH BETTER than a typically "squished to > death" FM > station, even with the 10 kHz audio limitation. AM > also typically has > a slight mid-range boost due to the shape of the > pre-emphasis curve as > compared to the response of receivers, so this is > perceived by the > listener as a greater "clarity" and "openness" of > vocals and mid-range > instruments such as the piano and guitar. > > When combined with the greater effective Stereo > separation of AM > Stereo, some say the result is that with AM Stereo, > the lead signer > sounds like he or she is properly singing from "in > front of" the band, > whereas on FM Stereo, their voice often gets "lost > behind" or "drowned > out by" the music. > > > ===== +++ PRAY THE ROSARY EVERYDAY +++ +++ O MARY CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN PRAY FOR US WHO HAVE RECOURSE TO THEE+++ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ From davidcoons@webtv.net Wed Mar 27 16:08:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: davidcoons@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 28 Mar 2002 00:08:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 3499 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2002 00:08:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2002 00:08:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net) (209.240.198.119) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2002 00:08:10 -0000 Received: from storefull-2314.public.lawson.webtv.net (storefull-2314.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.212.222]) by mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id D6C3C391 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 16:08:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-2314.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id QAA14434; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 16:08:06 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRMp2IgT4yTI6BUojL52EV6+Un1KAIUSybxFKYm4afbEU3ACc6MjChn3g8= Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 19:08:06 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: And the general public yawns at the mention of AM Radio Message-ID: <20177-3CA25EE6-1010@storefull-2314.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: joe elias 's message of Wed, 27 Mar 2002 16:05:42 -0800 (PST) Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-From: davidcoons@webtv.net (David Coons) From: davidcoons@webtv.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10533228 frequency response on am is limited to 10.2 khz mono or stereo From watan-ko@rtri.or.jp Wed Mar 27 18:51:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: watan-ko@rtri.or.jp X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 28 Mar 2002 02:51:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 78945 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2002 02:51:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2002 02:51:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maglev.rtri.or.jp) (210.254.18.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2002 02:51:21 -0000 Received: by maglev.rtri.or.jp; id LAA24633; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 11:51:20 +0900 Received: from unknown(192.168.101.67) by maglev.rtri.or.jp via smap (V5.0) id xmad24595; Thu, 28 Mar 02 11:50:52 +0900 Received: from compaq-67 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ipc02.rtri.or.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0CBA350F0 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 11:50:48 +0900 (JST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Philips' Chip References: <1017173346.1130.56158.m12@yahoogroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1017173346.1130.56158.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-Id: <200203281150.BGB56957.BULPXB-O@rtri.or.jp> X-Mailer: Winbiff [Version 2.33] X-Accept-Language: ja,en Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 11:50:38 +0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Koji Watanabe X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67746350 X-Yahoo-Profile: irukero Dear JSG and members, I think the latest Philips AMS decoder chip is SAA7706H. This is basically a DSP chip, so it decodes C-QUAM signal by software. You can download its data sheet at: http://www-us10.semiconductors.philips.com/pip/saa7706h/n107 When it comes to Toshiba TA-8124P, I have its first data sheet, which is quite simple but usable. It contains block diagram. If you want it, I will send you the PDF. The TA-8124 is a Motorola only AMS decoder. Sincerely, Koji Shiga, JAPAN > Subject: Philips' Chip > > I understand that Philips made an AMS decoder chip and > I think Toyota used it in their radios. Was this a true > C-QuAM chip or a generic 4-Way device? If it was C-QuAM > what was the performance like compared to the Motorola > chips. Was the TA-8124 just a 4-Way decoder or did it > also do C-QuAM correctly? Does anyone have datasheets on > any of these 2 chips and if so do they have any info on > the internal workings like block diagrams? > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Mar 27 19:16:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 28 Mar 2002 03:16:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 81545 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2002 03:16:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2002 03:16:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2002 03:16:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2002 03:16:40 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 03:16:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Philips' Chip Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200203281150.BGB56957.BULPXB-O@rtri.or.jp> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 796 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.47 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > When it comes to Toshiba TA-8124P, I have its first data sheet, > which is quite simple but usable. It contains block diagram. If you > want it, I will send you the PDF. The TA-8124 is a Motorola only AMS > decoder. Koji, please upload this to the Files section of the AM Stereo Forum web site so that we all can access it. I am also looking for the data sheet for the Motorola MC13024 C-Quam tuner/decoder chip if anybody has it in PDF format. I currently have the PDF data sheets for the MC13020, MC13022, MC13028, MC13029, and MC13122 C-Quam decoder chips as well as for the MC13025 and MC13027 AM tuner front-end chips (which are designed to go together with the '022 and '122 decoders, respectively). These files all will be uploaded to the AM Stereo web site as time permits. From Bossmsx@aol.com Wed Mar 27 19:45:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 28 Mar 2002 03:45:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 50003 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2002 03:45:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2002 03:45:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d07.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.39) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2002 03:45:30 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 3.60.1d55d32b (16087) for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 22:45:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from web49.aolmail.aol.com (web49.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.10]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (v84.14) with ESMTP id MAILINID104-0327224519; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 22:45:19 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 22:45:19 EST Subject: Re: Phillips Chip To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <60.1d55d32b.29d3ebcf@aol.com> From: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx <<, MC13022, MC13028, MC13029, and MC13122 C-Quam decoder chips>> OK, have questions: I know of the MC13020, 22, 24 and 28 chips.... What exactly were the MC13029 and MC13122 chips and why do we not hear of them being used on any radios? tony s. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Mar 27 21:23:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 28 Mar 2002 05:23:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 56276 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2002 05:23:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2002 05:23:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2002 05:23:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2002 05:23:30 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 05:23:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Phillips Chip Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <60.1d55d32b.29d3ebcf@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 909 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.47 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > What exactly were the MC13029 and MC13122 chips and why do we not > hear of them being used on any radios? The MC13122 is the same thing as the MC13022 C-Quam decoder except with the addition of built-in impulse noise blanking. It was designed to meet the AMAX standards (which require noise blanking for home tuners and car radios), but most AMAX radios have actually used the older MC13022 decoder along with separate noise blanking circuitry. The only AMAX tuner to use the MC13122 so far is the new Fanfare FTA-100P. The MC13029 is an "enhanced" version of the MC13028 with an FM Stereo audio input and an internal AM/FM audio switch. It also has a low frequency audio filter on the AM Stereo output in order to reduce the "rumbling" sound that the 25 Hz pilot tone can cause when reproduced on a stereo system with good bass response. Otherwise it is the same as the MC13028 decoder. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Mar 28 08:42:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 28 Mar 2002 16:42:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 90055 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2002 16:42:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2002 16:42:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2002 16:42:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2002 16:42:12 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 16:42:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1969 AM Stereo? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 265 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 207.200.162.135 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics This is odd... a 1969 Ford AM-only car radio with "Stereo" printed on its faceplate..... with no sight of an FM tuner or tape player to possibly provide the "Stereo" sound... so, AM Stereo in 1969? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1816368315 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Mar 28 08:44:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 28 Mar 2002 16:44:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 84318 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2002 16:44:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2002 16:44:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2002 16:44:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2002 16:44:21 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 16:44:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Denon TU-380RD ? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 255 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 207.200.162.135 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Despite the seller's claim, I don't think the Denon TU-380RD model features AM Stereo, but just to make sure before I tell him to correct the auction page info, does anybody know for sure? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1342473766 From amfmdx@fastq.com Thu Mar 28 09:09:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 28 Mar 2002 17:09:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 1212 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2002 17:09:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2002 17:09:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2002 17:09:16 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d138-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.170]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g2SH9Fn30243 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 10:09:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <00de01c1d67a$94dab580$a0f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1969 AM Stereo? Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 10:04:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 Kevin, Do you think it was a test platform for the tests done in Tijuana at XETRA? If so, it might be the sole Kahn receiver in existence. I suspect this is something of this nature. Kevin Mesa, Arizona ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevtronics" To: Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 9:42 AM Subject: {AMSF} 1969 AM Stereo? > This is odd... a 1969 Ford AM-only car radio with "Stereo" printed on > its faceplate..... with no sight of an FM tuner or tape player to > possibly provide the "Stereo" sound... so, AM Stereo in 1969? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1816368315 From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Mar 28 11:59:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 28 Mar 2002 19:59:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 87973 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2002 19:59:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2002 19:59:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO boron.vcn.com) (209.193.72.5) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2002 19:59:15 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.34]) by boron.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 12:59:14 -0700 To: Subject: Alfredo lite Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 12:59:04 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <00de01c1d67a$94dab580$a0f9bed8@kredding430cdt> From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi guys I thought you all might get a kick out of what I'm doing. Especially recently with me not working for any radio stations any more there really isn't anything to listen to. Fired up my Alfredo lite here at my computer shop.....which is also my mom and dad's sign shop. Feeding some of my 2000+ song library from my laptop computer over it. You should have seen the look on my parents' faces when I tuned their radios over to 1000 and they heard the music. Nah, neither of those is AMS compatible (but can be...hmmmm...might want another couple of decoders from Chris) but still...it's music...decent music....no interruptions. They were just so impressed. They kept asking..."No REALLY Michael! What station is this??" I deem it, the Cajun Radio Network. (Cajun Signs and Cajun Computers or businesses here). Fun stuff. I can even pick it up outside in my car in the parking lot in STEREO!! MJR in STEREO in WYO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu Mar 28 13:54:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 28 Mar 2002 21:54:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 87385 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2002 21:54:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2002 21:54:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2002 21:54:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2002 21:53:47 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 21:53:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1969 AM Stereo? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00de01c1d67a$94dab580$a0f9bed8@kredding430cdt> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 441 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.194 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevin" wrote: > Kevin, > > Do you think it was a test platform for the tests done in Tijuana at XETRA? > > If so, it might be the sole Kahn receiver in existence. I suspect this is > something of this nature. > > Kevin > Mesa, Arizona > It could be a QuAM receiver. They were experimenting with that also around that time. This would have been simpler to construct than a Kahn receiver. JSG From joen3wtv@yahoo.com Thu Mar 28 15:31:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: joen3wtv@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 28 Mar 2002 23:31:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 26201 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2002 23:31:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2002 23:31:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11705.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2002 23:31:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20020328233134.23167.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.170.170.36] by web11705.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:31:34 PST Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:31:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo lite To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: joe elias X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=35888484 X-Yahoo-Profile: joen3wtv thats pretty cool......joe --- "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Hi guys > I thought you all might get a kick out of what I'm > doing. Especially > recently with me not working for any radio stations > any more there really > isn't anything to listen to. Fired up my Alfredo > lite here at my computer > shop.....which is also my mom and dad's sign shop. > Feeding some of my 2000+ > song library from my laptop computer over it. You > should have seen the look > on my parents' faces when I tuned their radios over > to 1000 and they heard > the music. Nah, neither of those is AMS compatible > (but can > be...hmmmm...might want another couple of decoders > from Chris) but > still...it's music...decent music....no > interruptions. They were just so > impressed. They kept asking..."No REALLY Michael! > What station is this??" > I deem it, the Cajun Radio Network. (Cajun Signs and > Cajun Computers or > businesses here). > Fun stuff. I can even pick it up outside in my car > in the parking lot in > STEREO!! > > MJR in STEREO in WYO > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ===== +++ PRAY THE ROSARY EVERYDAY +++ +++ O MARY CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN PRAY FOR US WHO HAVE RECOURSE TO THEE+++ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Mar 28 15:53:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 28 Mar 2002 23:53:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 33331 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2002 23:53:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2002 23:53:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2002 23:53:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2002 23:53:18 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 23:53:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New 2002 Chrysler AM Stereo radio Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 886 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.166 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics This is a new 2002 model year Chrysler radio (out of a 2002 Dodge Ram) with AM Stereo that I hadn't seen before: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1816522391 It is not the typical "RAZ" CD/cassette combo radio, but rather a CD-player-only radio. It looks the same as the 1994-1999ish AMAX HiFi AM Stereo CD-player radio, including the speaker "joystick" control, except it only has a 3-band graphic equalizer instead of a 5-band one. This could be a "leftover" from previous model years, but if that were the case I think I would have come across one like it so far, and I haven't, so I think this is a legtimiately new 2002 model year radio from Chrysler with AM Stereo. The only question is whether it uses the fixed-narrow-bandwidth design of the "RAZ" radio, or the very nice AMAX variable-bandwidth design of the older 5-band-GEQ Chrysler radios. From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Mar 28 16:16:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Mar 2002 00:16:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 20535 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2002 00:16:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2002 00:16:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2002 00:16:08 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.27]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 19:10:31 -0500 Message-ID: <002101c1d6b6$252ecaa0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1969 AM Stereo? Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 19:10:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 .....My 2 cents here- In '69, they DID use the amplifier of the radio for a separate, off board 8 track that was stereo... The design of the dash of the '69 Fords would not allow the use of an all-in-one radio. I wish I didn't have to say this, but.. sigh... I remember these cars when they were new.... CC ----- Original Message ----- From: jsgilst To: Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 4:53 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1969 AM Stereo? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Mar 28 16:40:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Mar 2002 00:40:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 71670 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2002 00:40:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2002 00:40:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2002 00:40:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2002 00:40:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 00:40:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 600 WICC sold to Cumulus Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 692 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.166 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics The sale of WICC 600 AM Stereo (Bridgeport, CT) from Aurora Communications to Cumulus Media has just been approved. It is part of Aurora selling all of their stations to Cumulus. In WICC's case, the transfer of ownership was applied for in December 2001 and now has been approved. As of this afternoon (3/28), WICC is now IDing as "Cumulus Media" in their hourly ID, but is still broadcasting in full AM STEREO with sound just as good as ever. "Just in case", if you'd like to let WICC know how good their Stereo signal sounds to you (and if you're not within listening area, trust me, it DOES sound great!), you can contact them via their web site at: http://www.wicc600.com/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Mar 28 16:49:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Mar 2002 00:49:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 10889 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2002 00:49:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2002 00:49:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2002 00:49:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2002 00:49:17 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 00:49:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 600 WICC sold to Cumulus Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 244 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.166 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics BTW, here is a verbatim quote from the Advertising page of WICC's web site, now with the "Cumulus Media Inc." banner on top: > > > > WICC radio has Southern Connecticut's best AM stereo signal. Tuning in to WICC is never a problem. < < < < From watan-ko@rtri.or.jp Thu Mar 28 16:51:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: watan-ko@rtri.or.jp X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Mar 2002 00:51:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 12884 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2002 00:51:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2002 00:51:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maglev.rtri.or.jp) (210.254.18.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2002 00:51:18 -0000 Received: by maglev.rtri.or.jp; id JAA14847; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:51:17 +0900 Received: from unknown(192.168.101.67) by maglev.rtri.or.jp via smap (V5.0) id xma014822; Fri, 29 Mar 02 09:50:52 +0900 Received: from compaq-67 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ipc02.rtri.or.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 955D1350F0 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:50:39 +0900 (JST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Philips Chip Message-Id: <200203290950.JID78182.UOPLBX-B@rtri.or.jp> X-Mailer: Winbiff [Version 2.33] X-Accept-Language: ja,en Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:50:29 +0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Koji Watanabe X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67746350 X-Yahoo-Profile: irukero Dear Kevin, I tried to upload the data sheet of TA-8214P, but I failed. The browser shows failure. I also have the same problem when I tried to upload Tokyo AMS station's MP3 file. Does Yahoo limit the size of the files? Also, I have MC13024 data sheet in PDF. Shall I upload it on Yahoo? Koji Shiga, JAPAN From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Mar 28 17:16:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Mar 2002 01:16:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 48846 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2002 01:16:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2002 01:16:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2002 01:16:21 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-194.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.194]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2T1G0Oq023600 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 19:16:01 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001d01c1d6bf$ae36a940$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <8.2391b6c6.29d2510e@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Resubmitting the AM Receiver Standards Petition? Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 19:18:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude It doesn't need to be resubmitted, but you're absolutely right about it needing more signatures. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: > Hey Scott, what would you think of resubmitting the AM Receiver Standards > Petition? Nothing much came of it; do you think more signatures are needed > before the FCC can give this an NPRM number? From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Mar 28 17:18:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Mar 2002 01:18:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 93133 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2002 01:18:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2002 01:18:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2002 01:18:42 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-194.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.194]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2T1IKOq023960 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 19:18:22 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <002301c1d6c0$0216d440$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: XM Receivers Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 19:21:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Alpine, Sony, Kenwood and Pioneer expect to be shipping aftermarket radios next month- $300-$700 for most of them. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics > Meanwhile, Sirius satellite radio is also on the air. But Hello, > anybody home?? There are no Sirius receivers to be found, and nobody > is talking about it. > > From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Mar 28 17:35:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Mar 2002 01:35:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 35308 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2002 01:35:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2002 01:35:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2002 01:35:52 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-194.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.194]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2T1ZVOq026746 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 19:35:32 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <004101c1d6c2$68522d20$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} And the general public yawns at the mention of AM Radio Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 19:38:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Great ideas, Phil. We need some way of making the info widespread enough to shame the mfrs. (it's getting so bad even though I'm an old Baptist I'm tempted to use the term m-f'rs) into making radios with decent AM. BTW, with these AM stations going dark, I'm wondering if you could pick up the transmitter site for a song? If you could, the studio wouldn't need to be anything fantastic til it gets some revenue generated. A 25kW flamethrower in AMS.... what a thought! ST ----- Original Message ----- From: tubesareking > > Hmmm - maybe we need to have a "hit list" of especially bad AM > receivers, and a "bouquet list" of AM receivers with especially good > top end - > P.S. Oh yah, let's abandon a 25,000 watt AM Stereo flamethrower for > 14,500 watts of Class B FM. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Mar 28 17:44:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Mar 2002 01:44:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 93697 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2002 01:44:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2002 01:44:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2002 01:44:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2002 01:44:00 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 01:43:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: XM Receivers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002301c1d6c0$0216d440$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1006 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.166 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Alpine, Sony, Kenwood and Pioneer expect to be shipping aftermarket > radios next month- $300-$700 for most of them. Regardless if it's XM or Sirius, I really don't think satellite radio will have much appeal for average consumers. The easy accessibility to free MP3 music sharing and CD burning negates its advantage of musical variety. And when people *do* listen to the radio, they tune in to hear well-established stations and personalities and *local* news/traffic/weather updates, neither of which satellite radio provides. There is certainly no problem of satellite radio being a "niche" product for those who are interested in it, such as the audio music channels offered over cable or satellite TV. But, as the dismal losses of XM indicate, a niche audience is not enough to sustain the cost of running the service, unless they increase the subscription price and/or increase the amount of commercials played, but then that would cause even less people to be interested in it. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Mar 28 18:05:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Mar 2002 02:05:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 34749 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2002 02:05:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2002 02:05:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2002 02:05:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2002 02:05:00 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 02:04:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: And the general public yawns at the mention of AM Radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004101c1d6c2$68522d20$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1706 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.166 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Great ideas, Phil. We need some way of making the info widespread > enough to shame the mfrs. (it's getting so bad even though I'm an > old Baptist I'm tempted to use the term m-f'rs) into making radios > with decent AM. There *are* some great AM radios out there. The trouble is, they don't physically look any different than radios with lousy AM, nor do they promote their enhanced AM quality (except the GE Superadio III and its Radio Shack clone). Gee, how about some logo to put on a radio to identify it as having better AM quality? Yup, that was thought of about a decade ago, as AMAX. I just think they made the AMAX requirements a little too strict to appeal to the "normal" radio manufacturers. A change as simple as a wider-bandwidth ceramic filter can greatly increase AM sound quality; you don't necessarily need all the frills like impulse noise blanking or selectable Narrow/Wide bandwidth to have a great AM tuner -- as Philips-Magnavox and some other brands demonstrate (along with classics such as the GE Superadio I and II). However, the $29.99 Sony SRF-42 definitely proved that an AMAX-certified AM Stereo receiver with halfway-decent quality *can* be affordable. In fact, I'm pretty sure the SRF-42 was the least expensive AM Stereo radio ever sold in North America, and Sony reportedly sold nearly three quarters of a million of them. So, I think we need another radio like the Sony SRF-42: one that is inexpensive and "beginner-friendly", yet with surprisingly good sound quality and reception, and (most importantly) that is widely available so that any AM Stereo station can promote it as a way for all of their listeners to hear them in Stereo. From rfinder@telusplanet.net Thu Mar 28 18:09:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rfinder@telusplanet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Mar 2002 02:09:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 51707 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2002 02:09:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2002 02:09:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2002 02:09:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2002 02:09:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 02:09:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Whew!!!! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 412 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "i2thesky2001" X-Originating-IP: 142.59.49.245 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public I was listening to CKMX 1060 Calgary this morning, and no Stereo pilot. Thought Oh Oh! another one bites the dust. By the evening, they were back in awesome stereo. Must have been doing maintenance. By the way, I've been picking up 790 CFCW with a stereo pilot recently but no separation. They just might have turned on their exciter. Could be just a ghost but it was in the daytime. I'll keep you posted From rfinder@telusplanet.net Thu Mar 28 18:11:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rfinder@telusplanet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Mar 2002 02:11:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 97404 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2002 02:11:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2002 02:11:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2002 02:11:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2002 02:11:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 02:11:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} And the general public yawns at the mention of AM Radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020327145345.52823.qmail@web11702.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 94 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "i2thesky2001" X-Originating-IP: 142.59.49.245 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Am radio is multipath free!!!! Am radio is multipath free!!!! Am radio is multipath free!!!! From davidcoons@webtv.net Thu Mar 28 18:19:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: davidcoons@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Mar 2002 02:19:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 66541 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2002 02:18:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2002 02:18:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net) (209.240.198.119) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2002 02:18:38 -0000 Received: from storefull-2313.public.lawson.webtv.net (storefull-2313.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.212.221]) by mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AC7B151F for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 18:18:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-2313.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id SAA12058; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 18:18:38 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQHXcdqbytkAMJtsT9z1Faornv7pQIVAMyNyr6RZvfxpIm5RSUsQT2bROD6 Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 21:18:37 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} And the general public yawns at the mention of AM Radio Message-ID: <2881-3CA3CEFD-676@storefull-2313.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "i2thesky2001" 's message of Fri, 29 Mar 2002 02:11:42 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-From: davidcoons@webtv.net (David Coons) From: davidcoons@webtv.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10533228 its does picket fence however..if fm with a 10ft wavelength picket fences in a car at 40 mph,then am with a 400ft wavelength will picket fence at 1600 mph...if my math is correct From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu Mar 28 18:31:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Mar 2002 02:31:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 78136 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2002 02:31:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2002 02:31:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2002 02:31:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2002 02:31:38 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 02:31:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: And the general public yawns at the mention of AM Radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1699 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.207 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: A change as simple as a wider-bandwidth > ceramic filter can greatly increase AM sound quality; you don't > necessarily need all the frills like impulse noise blanking or > selectable Narrow/Wide bandwidth to have a great AM tuner -- as > Philips-Magnavox and some other brands demonstrate (along with > classics such as the GE Superadio I and II). > > However, the $29.99 Sony SRF-42 definitely proved that an > AMAX-certified AM Stereo receiver with halfway-decent quality *can* be > affordable. In fact, I'm pretty sure the SRF-42 was the least > expensive AM Stereo radio ever sold in North America, and Sony > reportedly sold nearly three quarters of a million of them. > > So, I think we need another radio like the Sony SRF-42: one that is > inexpensive and "beginner-friendly", yet with surprisingly good sound > quality and reception, and (most importantly) that is widely available > so that any AM Stereo station can promote it as a way for all of their > listeners to hear them in Stereo. The MC13022 with its variable IF BW greatly reduces the need to use dual filtering although dual filters would be nicer. The Chrysler radios use a 7.5KHz ceramic filter along with this and seems to work pretty well. Motorola tried to make it as cheap as possible for manufacturers to impliment AMS. Even with the frontend/decoder AMAX chipset and associated components, the major things that are left is the tuning and output amps. The difference between a low end or high end is not that much with these chipsets. I think a full featured walkman style AMS radio could be produced for a reasonable price. JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Mar 28 18:32:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Mar 2002 02:32:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 30378 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2002 02:32:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2002 02:32:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2002 02:32:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2002 02:32:08 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 02:32:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: And the general public yawns at the mention of AM Radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1294 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.166 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Am radio is multipath free!!!! > Am radio is multipath free!!!! > Am radio is multipath free!!!! Actually, AM *does* have multipath. But, due to the low frequencies and long wavelengths of AM signals, the multipath effect is "slow" and subtle enough that it is usually not annoying to the listener. Another form of AM multipath is at night when a local station's skywave signal bounces back and mixes with its groundwave signal. There is often a phase difference between these two signals, causing fading and phasing effects. Synchronous detection helps with this, and that was one of the advantages of the Harris AM Stereo system (which was designed to use full synchronous detection). But anyway, another advantage of AM is that the signals hug the earth. I'm sure everybody has experienced valleys where "line-of-sight" FM signals are blocked out, but AM signals come in loud and clear. And anybody who has travelled across the USA can tell you that there are still large areas where the ONLY signals receiveable are on the AM band. On my recent trips out West, I can remember many areas where on FM, the "seek" function wouldn't find any stations and would just keep scanning the dial, but in the same area there were several good clear AM signals to choose from. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu Mar 28 18:51:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Mar 2002 02:51:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 33736 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2002 02:51:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2002 02:51:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2002 02:51:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2002 02:51:40 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 02:51:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} And the general public yawns at the mention of AM Radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004101c1d6c2$68522d20$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 533 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.207 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Scott Todd" wrote: BTW, > with these AM stations going dark, I'm wondering if you could pick up the > transmitter site for a song? If you could, the studio wouldn't need to be > anything fantastic til it gets some revenue generated. A 25kW flamethrower > in AMS.... what a thought! > That would be nice but I think a 25KW would be picked up for sports/talk before it could be picked up for a song in a major market. A 5KW would be different as there a lot more of these around. JSG From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu Mar 28 19:13:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Mar 2002 03:13:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 54189 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2002 03:13:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2002 03:13:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2002 03:13:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2002 03:13:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 03:13:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: And the general public yawns at the mention of AM Radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1765 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.207 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > > Another form of AM multipath is at night when a local station's > skywave signal bounces back and mixes with its groundwave signal. > There is often a phase difference between these two signals, causing > fading and phasing effects. Synchronous detection helps with this, > and that was one of the advantages of the Harris AM Stereo system > (which was designed to use full synchronous detection). Yea this effect causes the carrier to almost to disappear but some of the sidebands are still present and manifests as highly distroted audio, anoying to say the least. This is one feature I like about the MC13020 as you can turn off all cosine correction and go full synchronous. It can make the difference between an understandable signal to completely unintelligible. I almost always use synchronous detection especially when I DX. > > But anyway, another advantage of AM is that the signals hug the earth. > I'm sure everybody has experienced valleys where "line-of-sight" FM > signals are blocked out, but AM signals come in loud and clear. And > anybody who has travelled across the USA can tell you that there are > still large areas where the ONLY signals receiveable are on the AM > band. On my recent trips out West, I can remember many areas where on > FM, the "seek" function wouldn't find any stations and would just keep > scanning the dial, but in the same area there were several good clear > AM signals to choose from. It is my understanding that this is why AM is more widely used in Japan as the terrain doesn't lend itself to well for FM propagation. C-QuAM really took off in Japan. It provided the required coverage that FM couldn't for music. JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Mar 28 20:45:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Mar 2002 04:45:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 91454 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2002 04:45:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2002 04:45:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2002 04:45:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2002 04:45:23 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 04:45:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Expanded Band info Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2907 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.166 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I am doing some research to help me compile an accurate listing of Expanded Band (1610-1700 kHz) stations: who's on the air, who's not, who's in Stereo, and who's not. An interesting discovery is that contrary to popular belief, not all stations which applied to move to the Expanded Band chose the "Stereo Preference". As the name suggests, in the case of conflicting assignments for an Expanded Band allocation, a station with "Stereo Preference" status -- indicating their promise to broadcast in AM Stereo on the Expanded Band -- would be chosen over one without it. However, out of the over 800 stations that have applied for a "Petition to move to the Expanded Band", only 19 stations have not done so with the "Stereo Preference".... and out of these 19, only one has made it to the Expanded Band so far: 1620 KBLI in Blackfoot, Idaho. So if you hear KBLI in Mono, keep in mind they are not required to broadcast in Stereo. The only other non-Stereo-Preference station that has obtained an actual allocation on the Expanded Band is 1630 KOME in Clovis, CA, which has been issued a Construction Permit but (as far as I can determine) is not on the air yet. Also note that the "Stereo Preference" rule does not apply to Mexican stations, which have a completely different process for moving to the Expanded Band. And in Canada, their AM band still only extends to 1610 kHz, and this frequency is empty aside from low-power "TIS" stations and *one* commercial station planning to use 1610 kHz in Montreal, Quebec (with 1 kW day/night). Anyway, here is the data I have compiled so far for the Expanded Band stations in North America that are *currently on the air*. More frequencies will be coming soon. The "SP" or "M" indicates if the station applied for a Stereo Preference ("SP") or not ("M"ono), while the last column indicates if the station is broadcasting in Stereo or Mono, with question marks indicating an unsure status (any help from the listeners out there??). 1620 KBLI Blackfoot, Idaho / M / Mono? 1620 KOZN Bellevue, Nebraska / SP / ??? 1620 KSMH West Sacramento, California / SP / Mono? 1620 KYIZ Renton, Washington / SP / ??? 1620 WDHP Frederiksted, St. Croix, Virgin Islands / SP / **STEREO** 1620 WDND South Bend, Indiana / SP / **STEREO** 1620 WTAW College Station, Texas / SP / **STEREO** 1630 KCJJ Iowa City, Iowa / SP / **STEREO** 1630 KKWY Fox Farm, Wyoming / SP / Stereo? 1630 KNAX Fort Worth, Texas / SP / ??? 1630 WTEL Augusta, Georgia / SP / Mono? 1630 XEUT Tijuana, B.C.N., Mexico / n/a / **MONO** This stuff is quite complicated to research and compile, so that's as much as I did so far! It also seems that 1610 KALT in Atlanta, TX and 1620 WPHG in Atmore, AL are both off the air. 1620 "WPHG" has been re-applied for as a station in Gulf Freeze, FL, by the same company that owned the original WPHG in Alabama. From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Mar 28 21:12:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Mar 2002 05:12:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 96721 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2002 05:12:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2002 05:12:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO boron.vcn.com) (209.193.72.5) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2002 05:12:50 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.87]) by boron.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 22:12:50 -0700 To: Subject: Stereo stations Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 22:12:40 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Hey Kevin I can help ya out on a few as to whether they are or aren't STEREO. 1620 KOZN Bellevue, NB - According to Bill Snyder in Omaha I beleive he said there's a pilot, but no separation. I see the pilot but it's sports and really can't tell if there's any separation or not. Don't think so, though. Bill...you on this list?? 1630 KKWY Fox Farm (Cheyenne) WY.... YES. Beautiful glorious stereo! For future reference...Utah's newest AM station...at 1640 KBJA Sandy (Salt Lake City) (an EB that had been allocated for 630 KTKK a while ago but nothing was ever done with it) finally came on a few months ago. Spanish, and craptacular MONO. And 1660 KXOL Brigham City (Ogden) is NOT stereo and never has been. I promise you. I've done engineering for them. ONE MONO MARTI STL feeds the Xmitter. NO pilot. I know there's been discussions and disputes over the last couple years about that. I promise ya. KXOL is mono. NO stereo. Encouragingly enough, did some DXing a couple nights ago. It was really neat to see stereo from 1690 all the way down to 1620. 1690 Denver (disney) 1680 Fresno (disney) 1670 ??? Sports - California I beleive...Clippers vs. Kings. Sacramento? 1660 ??? Stereo 1650 KFOX - California (heard ID "Southern California's best Korean music station in high quality AM STEREO" 1640 ??? 1630 KKWY - Fox Farm (Cheyenne) 1620 KOZN - Bellevue (Omaha) ESPN Pilot, yes. Separation? 1660 was not KXOL coming in....something else in stereo. That same night got treated to KUZZ at 550. LOVE their stereo!! Thanks Buck Owens! That was a cool night for stereo dx-ing. MJR in WYO From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Thu Mar 28 21:19:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Mar 2002 05:19:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 22451 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2002 05:19:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2002 05:19:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2002 05:19:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2002 05:19:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 05:19:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Expanded Band info Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1772 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.157.193.202 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 1620 WPHG Atmore AL SILENT KSMH Auburn CA KBLI Blackfoot ID MONO WDND South Bend IN **STEREO** KOZN Bellevue NE/Omaha NE **STEREO** WAZG Myrtle Beach SC NEW WTAW College Station TX/Bryan TX **STEREO** WDHP Frederiksted VI **STEREO** KYIZ Renton WA/Seattle WA **STEREO** 1630 KOME Clovis CA/Fresno CA MONO WTEL Augusta GA KCJJ Iowa City IA **STEREO** KNAX Fort Worth TX/Dallas TX NEW KKWY Fox Farm WY/Cheyenne WY **STEREO** 1640 KDIA Vallejo CA/Oakland CA/San Francisco CA *PILOT ONLY* KMKZ Enid OK KPBC Lake Oswego OR/Portland OR **STEREO** KBJA Sandy UT/Salt Lake City UT WKSH Sussex WI **STEREO** 1650 KWHN Fort Smith AR KFOX Torrance CA/Los Angeles CA **STEREO** KBJD Denver CO *PILOT ONLY* WAZJ Atlanta GA NEW KDNZ Cedar Falls IA **STEREO** KBIV El Paso TX NEW WHKT Portsmouth VA 1660 KTIQ Merced CA WCNZ Marco Island FL **STEREO** KXTR Kansas City KS **STEREO** WQSN Kalamazoo MI **STEREO** WBHE Charlotte NC NEW KQWB West Fargo ND/Fargo ND *PILOT ONLY* WWRU Jersey City NJ *PILOT ONLY* WGIT Canovanas PR KRZX Waco TX **STEREO** KXOL Brigham City UT/Salt Lake City UT MONO 1670 KSUL Moreno Valley CA NEW KNRO Redding CA WRNC Warner Robins GA **STEREO** WAWR Salisbury MD NEW WTDY Madison WI **STEREO** 1680 KAVT Fresno CA **STEREO** WTIR Winter Garden FL/Orlando FL KRJO Monroe LA WJNZ Ada MI **STEREO** WTTM Princeton NJ/Trenton NJ new Bluff City TN NEW KTFH Seattle WA NEW 1690 KSXX Roseville CA/Sacramento CA KDDZ Arvada CO/Denver CO **STEREO** WSWK Adel GA NEW WHTE Johnston City IL NEW WPTX Lexington Park MD **STEREO** new Charlotte Amalie VI NEW 1700 WEUV Huntsville AL **STEREO** WJCC Miami Springs FL *PILOT ONLY* KBGG Des Moines IA KCHT Astoria OR NEW KQXX Brownsville TX KTBK Sherman TX **STEREO** WEZI Harrisonburg VA NEW From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Mar 28 22:10:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Mar 2002 06:10:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 13057 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2002 01:06:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2002 01:06:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2002 01:06:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2002 00:02:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 22:11:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: TA-8124 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6c.19ab4680.29d0f626@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 853 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.203 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Has the TA-8124 chip been used in any made-for-US radios (aside from > Chris Cuff's radios), or has its appearance been strictly limited to > Japan? Chrysler has used another Toshiba AM Stereo chip in some of their car radios, but it wasn't the TA8124 chip. I think some North American radios may have been *equipped* to use the TA8124 AM Stereo chip but have been sold to us missing the AM Stereo circuitry. This has been noted with various radios from Aiwa, Kenwood, etc. You can clearly see the space on the board where the AM Stereo circuitry is supposed to go, but the actual components are missing on North American models because the folks back in Asia have been mistakenly told that AM Stereo is only used in Japan and nowhere else. So they give Japan the AM Stereo-equipped models and everywhere else gets the mono-only models. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Mar 28 22:36:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Mar 2002 06:36:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 18077 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2002 06:36:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2002 06:36:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2002 06:36:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2002 06:36:28 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 06:36:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Stereo stations Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2442 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.166 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > 1620 KOZN Bellevue, NB - According to Bill Snyder in Omaha I beleive > he said there's a pilot, but no separation. KOZN (Let me gues, "The Sports Zone"?) is ESPN Radio which is produced entirely in glorious Mono. > 1640 KBJA Sandy (Salt Lake City) ... finally came on a few months > ago. Spanish, and craptacular MONO. KBJA is "Radio Unica", a syndicated Spanish news/talk network that has absolutely no faith in Stereo. Radio Unica is produced in mono and all of the stations they own are switched to mono. This includes 1660 WWRU (NJ) and 1700 WJCC (FL), both of which were switched to mono shortly after becoming Radio Unica affiliates, even though the engineer for WWRU (with whom I have talked) knows that Expanded Band stations are supposed to be in Stereo if they signed up for a Stereo Preference (which applies to all three of these stations). > 1670 ??? Sports - California I beleive...Clippers vs. Kings. > Sacramento? That's 1670 KRNO in Redding, CA, another infamous ESPN Radio station (do we REALLY need MORE of these???). > 1660 ??? Stereo Likely 1660 WQSN Kalamazoo, MI (MORE ESPN!!!!), although it could be KXTR in Kansas or KTIQ in California, neither of which I have any info about their Stereo status. > 1640 ??? Could be 1640 WKSH from Wisconsin with Christian music in great full Stereo sound, or 1640 KDIA from California with Stereo pilot but no separation. There's also KPBC from Oregon with unconfirmed status. The Expanded Band is indeed sometimes good for Stereo DXing. Once I had a Stereo pilot on every frequency from 1620 through 1700! And a few nights ago, "Stereo 1680 Jams" WJNZ from Michigan was BOOMING in, totally drowning out local Mono WTTM in NJ (yet more ESPN rubbish) with their gorgeous Stereo sound and interesting-for-AM Rap/Hip-Hop music. Not bad for a station that is actually only 680 watts at night instead of the regular 1000 watts. The only annoying thing is how "crowded" each Expanded Band frequency seems, despite having only four or five stations on each channel in the whole country, with each station only being 1000 watts or less at night. Blame it on shortwave-like propagation of these frequencies which makes a little power go a long way. My personal record for longest distance heard on the E.B. is about 1500 miles, in STEREO! from 1620 WDHP in the U.S. Virgin Islands, a brand new station (signed on in February of this year). From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Mar 28 22:43:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Mar 2002 06:43:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 32910 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2002 06:43:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2002 06:43:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2002 06:43:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2002 06:43:12 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 06:43:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Philips Chip Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200203290950.JID78182.UOPLBX-B@rtri.or.jp> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 803 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.166 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I tried to upload the data sheet of TA-8214P, but I failed. > The browser shows failure. I also have the same problem when I tried > to upload Tokyo AMS station's MP3 file. Does Yahoo limit the size of > the files? > Also, I have MC13024 data sheet in PDF. Shall I upload it on Yahoo? The Files section of this group has about 9 MB of free space. I don't think there is any file size limit. If you have trouble uploading files, you can always e-mail them to me privately at: kevtronics@yahoo.com So, e-mail me the TA-8124 and MC13024 data sheets when you have a chance, and then I will add them to the Files section myself (if it works for me!). Eventually, AM Stereo data sheets will also be available from the www.AMStereoRadio.com web site. I am very busy so this may take some time. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Mar 28 22:57:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Mar 2002 06:57:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 72916 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2002 06:57:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2002 06:57:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2002 06:57:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2002 06:57:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 06:57:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Expanded Band info Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1151 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.166 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics By the way, I have chatted via e-mail with an FCC employee and he says it is true that "Stereo Preference" Expanded Band stations are supposed to be broadcasting in Stereo. He said the best way to complain about those that are in Mono would be to file a documented complaint against the individual station to the FCC's Enforcement Bureau. Quote, "You increase your chances for action by submitting well documented facts and an affidavit that everything contained in the complaint is true to the best of your knowledge and belief." But then you have to be prepared for the argument that the "lack of consumer acceptance of AM Stereo" (his words) somehow makes it okay for these stations to be violating FCC rules (which to be fair are quite vague in this case). Oh, and about IBOC: "It is a little premature [for me] to comment on the AM IBOC testing. Although skywave issues may not have been carefully tested, the Commission needs to wait until the NRSC submits its report and we review public comment on the results." I think the key word here is PUBLIC COMMENT. The FCC *WILL* be interested in what we have to say about IBOC! From Bossmsx@aol.com Thu Mar 28 23:00:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Mar 2002 07:00:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 21281 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2002 03:25:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2002 03:25:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.4) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2002 03:25:13 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.15c.aaad439 (16110) for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 22:25:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from web40.aolmail.aol.com (web40.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.1]) by air-id12.mx.aol.com (v84.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID122-0325222502; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 22:25:02 -0500 Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 22:25:02 EST Subject: Re: SRF-42 problems To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <15c.aaad439.29d1440e@aol.com> From: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx <> No....It's on signals that aren't necessarily weak....I wasn't trying to record WWBF from Kissimmee as you were, I was actually alot closer to WWBF, I was in Winter Haven....The same applies to when I got hiss when recording 10kw nondirectional WMIB/1660 Marco Island, and I was in Sanibel (which is still within market limits, and fairly close to Marco Island). Tony Simon From n0uiheric@aol.com Thu Mar 28 23:49:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Mar 2002 07:49:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 33302 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2002 07:49:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2002 07:49:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r02.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.98) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2002 07:49:19 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.99.24202aac (3891) for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 02:49:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <99.24202aac.29d5767b@aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 02:49:15 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Stereo stations To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih KXTR 1660 Kansas City, KS is in FULL STEREO with excellent, CD-style seperation. Classical music format. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From n0uiheric@aol.com Thu Mar 28 23:49:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Mar 2002 07:49:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 59966 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2002 07:49:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2002 07:49:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r06.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.102) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2002 07:49:22 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.109.fdf46dd (3891) for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 02:49:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <109.fdf46dd.29d5767b@aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 02:49:15 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Expanded Band info To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih I noted KBJD 1650 with full seperation before KWHN moved from 1320. Patrick Griffith is the CE for KBJD. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From n0uiheric@aol.com Thu Mar 28 23:50:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Mar 2002 07:50:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 4214 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2002 07:50:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2002 07:50:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d09.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2002 07:50:57 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 1.66.1e788369 (3891) for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 02:49:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <66.1e788369.29d57675@aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 02:49:09 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: XM Receivers To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Let's not forget Digital Music Express (DMX), which has been available on cable systems for 10 years now. I first found out about DMX back in 1991, when Summit Cable offered it in Cobb, southern Cherokee and part of northern Fulton County in Georgia. (Summit also owned WAOK 1380/WVEE 103.3 in Atlanta at the time). I have it on digital cable; you don't need an XM or Sirius receiver for that! Thank you Charter Communications! 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://members.aol.com/n0uiheric/TurnOffClearChannel.html http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/turnoffclearchannel From amfmdx@fastq.com Fri Mar 29 00:16:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Mar 2002 08:16:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 3109 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2002 08:16:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2002 08:16:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2002 08:16:07 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d98-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.130]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g2T8G6n51661 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 01:16:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <012201c1d6f8$e5a1bc60$82f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Stereo stations Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 01:08:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 > That's 1670 KRNO in Redding, CA, another infamous ESPN Radio station > (do we REALLY need MORE of these???). I think so. I have had their ads in stereo with seperation. The programming is pure unadulterated MONO though. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Mar 29 00:36:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Mar 2002 08:36:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 65631 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2002 01:49:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2002 01:49:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2002 01:49:13 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-223.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.223]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2Q1mu0I009756 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 19:48:57 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <004301c1d468$c0a4d600$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Philips' Chip Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 19:51:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Go to www.netcomponents.com and click on the datasheet locator. Haven't looked it up myself, but chances are you'll find what you need if you know the mfr. and the chip number. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: jsgilst Does anyone have datasheets on > any of these 2 chips and if so do they have any info on > the internal workings like block diagrams? From jsgil@hal-pc.org Fri Mar 29 00:44:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Mar 2002 08:44:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 15008 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2002 06:15:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2002 06:15:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2002 06:15:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2002 05:33:22 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 05:33:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC cannot be used at night-time; Daytime only. DOA. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002101c1d467$b3569340$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1688 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Scott Todd" wrote: > That brings up a good point. The NRSC mask was devised to relieve the > splatter from one channel to another, especially in the overcrowded > northeast. To some extent it really did work, though it sucks for those of > us in less congested areas who could still stand to benefit from a more > hi-fi signal. The point being if the IBOC signal is that wide, there stands > a chance it will be useless even during the day in the most congested areas. > That pretty much rules out any possibility for IBOC to be used in the NE. I wonder how effective a petition to the FCC would be to allow the use of a 15KHz mask during daytime in less conjested areas where interference is not an issue. In my area there are only 1 or 2 stations that are 20KHz away from another and most are at least 30KHz and some are as high as 60KHz. Well if IBOC radios are manufactured they will probably have nice ceramic 6 element +/-15KHz Gaussian filters to utilize the 15KHz mask. This would be perfect for a C-QuAM AMS conversion for the analog section of the radios, a perfect solution for these radios already in the market after IBOC has failed to be accepted by the public on a large scale. JSG Side note: SNAFU^H^H^H^H^H I mean Yahoo seems to have problems posting messages in a timely manner. One of my messages posted on Sunday didn't show up until 24hrs later but by that time I had already reposted in but hasn't shown up yet. I post through the webpage and it used to appear within a minute or 2 in the message list. This is really impeding the live interaction of this group and I hope they get this fixed soon. From smpoole7@bellsouth.net Fri Mar 29 00:50:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: smpoole7@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Mar 2002 08:50:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 35067 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2002 06:22:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2002 06:22:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2002 06:22:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2002 00:36:01 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 04:35:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Help me with treachery and collusion! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00ad01c1d1dc$26d9c1e0$9af9bed8@kredding430cdt> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1154 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "professorpoole" X-Originating-IP: 209.214.104.192 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25309165 X-Yahoo-Profile: professorpoole --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevin" wrote: > I was told they blew out a cap and thats the reason that the > station is off the stereo. I think what you experienced was a sales droid who doesn't know much about engineering. :) A transmitting cap wouldn't do that; it would either knock the transmitter off entirely or require that it be operated at reduced power (maybe with one rigged into place ...? It depends on where the cap is at in the circuit). The AM stereo is actually created at low level, then used to drive the power modules, which bulk it up to the power levels required to drive the antenna. (That's an oversimplification, but close enough.) I suspect that he's talking about a capacitor somewhere in the STL. Maybe they've lost one channel of their Studio-Transmitter Link and are forced to run mono until they get it repaired. In that case, some POLITE phone calls might make them feel better, knowing that the listeners actually care, but I wouldn't scold them. These things happen. Remember, the studio, STL and audio sources have to be stereo, too. Just having a stereo transmitter alone won't do it. From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Mar 29 01:08:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Mar 2002 09:08:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 18398 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2002 09:08:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2002 09:08:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2002 09:08:42 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.48]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 04:08:58 -0500 Message-ID: <000901c1d700$8b496760$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <99.24202aac.29d5767b@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Stereo stations Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 04:03:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 That is an Entercom station- They are AMS friendly, and they have a few of my radios to use as monitors. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 2:49 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Stereo stations > KXTR 1660 Kansas City, KS is in FULL STEREO with excellent, CD-style > seperation. Classical music format. From crrf@bdg.centrin.net.id Fri Mar 29 01:14:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: crrf@bdg.centrin.net.id X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Mar 2002 09:14:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 53967 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2002 09:14:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2002 09:14:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bdg.centrin.net.id) (202.146.253.3) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2002 09:13:59 -0000 Received: from mph (DialupBdg253-125.centrin.net.id [202.146.253.125]) by bdg.centrin.net.id (8.11.5/8.11.5) with SMTP id g2T9Dtv04593 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 16:13:55 +0700 Message-ID: <004601c1d6dd$ff340400$7dfd92ca@mph> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Subject: AM-PDM Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 10:04:17 +0700 Organization: CR Engineering MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 From: "Christtijanto" Reply-To: "Christtijanto" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107619901 Thanks Jeff, you've help me very much. I've heard that Nautel's transmitter is very good in the design, some beacon transmitters here use Nautel's transmitter and the performance is very good. Good work, Jeff. RF area is my hobby, perhaps I'll explore an RF area for all my life, for me, studying new RF technologies is very interesting. I'm very glad if somebody can share the knowledge with me. I still have some other questions, kindly please answer if you able to and permitted. * Do you know a difference between class E and class F RF amplifier ? Somebody said that class F is a "marriage" between class D and class C. * Does class F always in the push-pull form ? * Does class F become a class C RF amplifier if we apply in the single ended form ? * What exactly principles differentiate between class E and class F ? * What books suggested for studying the solid state AM transmitter ? Perhaps somebodies else can suggest me another tips. Thank you in advance. Best Regards, Christtijanto. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Fri Mar 29 01:23:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Mar 2002 09:23:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 82009 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2002 09:23:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2002 09:23:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2002 09:23:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2002 09:23:18 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:23:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Philips' Chip Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004301c1d468$c0a4d600$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 470 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.154 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Scott Todd" wrote: > Go to www.netcomponents.com and click on the datasheet locator. Haven't > looked it up myself, but chances are you'll find what you need if you know > the mfr. and the chip number. > > ST I went to look for the toshiba chip and they jumped from TA8123 to TA8125 and skipped TA8124. I went to Toshiba's website and didn't find it either. Just about the same luck I had looking for the MC13024 sheet. JSG From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Mar 29 01:25:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Mar 2002 09:25:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 97863 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2002 09:25:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2002 09:25:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2002 09:25:30 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.48]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 04:25:46 -0500 Message-ID: <008401c1d702$e3edbf40$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 600 WICC sold to Cumulus Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 04:19:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Oooh! juicy tidbit! Does Cumulus have any other AMS stations? Why would Aurora ditch their most profitable station??? CC ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics To: Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 7:49 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: 600 WICC sold to Cumulus > BTW, here is a verbatim quote from the Advertising page of WICC's web > site, now with the "Cumulus Media Inc." banner on top: > > > > > > > WICC radio has Southern Connecticut's best AM stereo signal. Tuning in > to WICC is never a problem. From Bossmsx@aol.com Fri Mar 29 02:19:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Mar 2002 10:19:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 42841 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2002 02:50:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2002 02:50:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d10.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.42) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2002 02:50:44 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 1.28.242770af (5709) for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 21:50:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mow-m29 (mow-m29.webmail.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by air-id04.mx.aol.com (v84.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID42-0325215037; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 21:50:37 -0500 Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 21:50:37 EST Subject: Re: Phillips Chip To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <28.242770af.29d13bfd@aol.com> From: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx <> I'm pretty sure the Toshiba TA-8124 was a pure C-QUAM decoder...Its predecessor, the TA-8120 was nothing more than an MC13020 with a different name. Tony Simon/Miami From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Mar 29 02:21:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Mar 2002 10:21:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 60540 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2002 06:30:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2002 06:30:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2002 06:30:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2002 03:27:37 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 03:27:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC cannot be used at night-time; Daytime only. DOA. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2461 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.203 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > My original post will probably show up as another Yahoo SNAFU like > it did the last time. It finally did show up, as message number 1451 in the archives. > But it's not the same. Daytime broadcasts must observe the 10.2KHz > limit also and that extra 5KHz of bandwidth makes all the difference > in the world. This was all much discussed when the NRSC bandwidth standard was first introduced. Although I enjoy full-bandwidth AM sound just as much as you do, in the USA with our crowded AM band, the NRSC 10 kHz audio limit is a necessary evil. Local listeners with wide-bandwidth radios do miss the extra crispness, but what would be more annoying to most people would be the extra "splatter" and adjacent channel interference that would be caused if the NRSC limit did not exist, especially at night. The FCC (and the Canadian radio authority as well) had two parameters to work between: either allow full 15+ kHz audio response on AM without any concern to the levels of adjacent-channel interference, or cut the audio all the way down to 5 kHz, which would completely eliminate adjacent-channel interference. They chose the 10 kHz audio bandwidth as a compromise between these two extremes, and I think it was a good choice. And even with the NRSC 10 kHz limit, AM stations can be made to sound pleasingly crisp and bright through the careful use of audio processing. This is often what makes people say some AM stations sound *better* than FM even with the NRSC limit: the different audio processing, which can be adjusted to provide a clearer, brighter, less highly compressed sound than FM. The 5 to 10 kHz audio range is often less compressed and limited than it is on FM, allowing vocal sibilants (when somebody pronounces the letter "S") to come through more distinctly, with much less of the noticeable clipping and limiting they usually are subjected to on FM. And with today's digital technology, it is possible to restore some of the missing high frequency sounds by "wrapping around" the 10 to 15 kHz audio range down to the 5 to 10 kHz range through the careful use of digital aliasing. This allows high frequency sounds like cymbals, chimes, and snare drums that usually only exist above 10 kHz to be recreated below 10 kHz with a surprising amount of realism and fidelity. I have found a way to do this on my computer, and I might set up a few MP3 recordings to provide an example of this effect. From matthew.trim@eds.com Fri Mar 29 04:17:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Mar 2002 12:17:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 98744 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2002 05:47:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2002 05:47:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns5.eds.com) (203.17.185.230) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2002 05:47:20 -0000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com (nnsy-3.eds.com [192.168.1.1]) by ns5.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g2Q5l2R29878 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 16:47:13 +1100 (EST) Received: from nnsy.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2Q5kxZ01765 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 16:47:00 +1100 (EST) Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2Q5kxk01757 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 16:46:59 +1100 (EST) Received: by AUSYM000 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 16:46:19 +1100 Message-ID: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542803F52F21@AUSYM200> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: 1197AM - Switch Brisbane - Not in AMS :( Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 16:46:19 +1100 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 This never made it to the list for some reason..... -----Original Message----- From: Trim, Matthew L Sent: Tuesday, 26 March 2002 12:20 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1197AM - Switch Brisbane - Not in AMS :( Importance: High Bad news... I'm going to email Jon and see if I can help him find an AMS Exciter... Maybe they are receptive to the idea as long as it doesn't cost them much... -----Original Message----- From: Brisbane's Switch 1197 [mailto:robert.bowyer@switch1197.com] Sent: Friday, 22 March 2002 5:38 PM To: Trim, Matthew L Subject: RE: [amstereo] 1197AM - Switch Brisbane Hi Matt To begin with we will not be broadcasting in stereo. But we are open to ideas and anybody you can put us on to to assist us. Send any info you have to jon@switch1197.com Cheers Robert Bowyer PS I noticed your email address is EDS? Which office do you work in? -----Original Message----- From: Trim, Matthew L [mailto:matthew.trim@eds.com] Sent: Friday, 22 March 2002 3:56 PM To: 'robert.bowyer@switchfm.com.au' Cc: 'info@switchfm.com.au' Subject: FW: [amstereo] 1197AM - Switch Brisbane Importance: High G'day Robert, Just wanted to confirm that you guys will be in AM Stereo when you launch? There is little cost in adding an AM Stereo exciter to an existing Transmitter. I've got engineering contacts in the US who are able to access these on the 2nd hand market cheaply and they are keen to volunteer their time to get you up and running in CQUAM stereo. They also have cheap AM Stereo decoder boards that can be easily fitted to radio's & tuners. I'm receiving a mini AM Stereo TX from the US in a week or two - would love the chance to demo it to you and your staff so you can appreciate the quality AM can provide (with a good quality receiver). Take care and look forward to hearing from you. Best Regards, Matthew Trim 0413 021 341 -----Original Message----- From: Trim, Matthew L Sent: Tuesday, 26 February 2002 9:27 To: 'Brisbane's Switch 1197' Subject: RE: [amstereo] 1197AM - Switch Brisbane G'day Rob, Just thought I'd check in and see how it's going? No rush.. just want to help! -----Original Message----- From: Brisbane's Switch 1197 [mailto:robert.bowyer@switchfm.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, 20 February 2002 16:18 To: Trim, Matthew L Subject: Re: [amstereo] 1197AM - Switch Brisbane My appologies I will get back to you shortly with a more detailed email Cheers Robert Bowyer Brisbane's Switch 1197 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trim, Matthew L" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 2:06 PM Subject: FW: [amstereo] 1197AM - Switch Brisbane Hi, I still haven't received a reply - please get back to me as I'd like to help! From jsgil@hal-pc.org Fri Mar 29 04:45:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Mar 2002 12:45:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 76663 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2002 07:19:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2002 07:19:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2002 07:19:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2002 02:00:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 02:00:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC and DRM - What's the diff ? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3276 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.130.55 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "amstereofan" <1377.3mp@s...> wrote: > So do the IBOC findings apply to the European version DRM > (www.drm.org) ? If you can't use IBOC (or DRM also ?) at nighttime > then what is the point ? I don't think that there is any real difference other than how it is encoded, the concept is essentially the same. I think some of these benefits are just wishful thinking on their part. The problems with nighttime skywave reception in the medium and shortwave bands i.e. selective fading and platform motion will wreck havoc on a digital signal. There won't be any DXing. I disagree with the following: Benefits of Digital AM for Listeners ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * FM-like sound quality with the AM reach. Myabe FM-like but not with AM reach. Have you experienced digital cell phone cutouts under marginal signal conditions. * Improved reception quality This would be under ideal conditions. * More diverse programme content, using the full capabilities of new digital features I don't know how digital will vastly change the program issue. This is a human problem, lack of good programming. Yea I got 900 channels on my satelite TV but there is not much worth watching. Benefits of Digital AM for Receiver, Transmitter and Semiconductor Manufacturers ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * Increase the market potential for transmitting and receiver systems This will only line the pockets of the manufacturers at the expense of the broadcasters and listeners perpetuating the false economy that so many broadcasters operate on. * Possibility to replace 2.5 billion receivers with digital AM receivers. Ditto Benefits of Digital AM for Broadcaster ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * Continued (and more efficient) use of existing frequency planning This would be true for FM as it is spectrum ineffecient compared AM for the same audio BW. It appears that the BW requirements for both analog and digital on AM are not that different for a similar audio quality. You could fit a lot of digital AM signals within a single FM channel. * Better audio quality for listeners, wherever they live Not wherever they live. this goes back to the cell phone coverage issue. * Increased audience interest, resulting from audio quality improvement and additional services Again this is a programming issue. Lack of good programming material is the chief reason for the downfall of radio. * Increased advertising interest, resulting from increased audience interest Not true as long as broadcasters continue to operate on this false economy. Conclusion: The problem with radio is GOOD PROGRAMMING or lack thereof. Now they will initially probably offer improved programming and extended services through subscriptions but how long will the quality programming last. If cable and satellite TV are any indications of how programming can fall into mediocrity I forsee the same thing happening to digital radio. The public has been duped too many times by commercial broadcasting and I hope they see through this scam. I think that maybe the public is begining to see the light though as they are not buying into Eureka 147 in droves as sales have been flat. JSG From jsgil@hal-pc.org Fri Mar 29 05:34:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Mar 2002 13:34:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 82417 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2002 06:45:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2002 06:45:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2002 06:45:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2002 00:58:34 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 00:58:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC cannot be used at night-time; Daytime only. DOA. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1990-3C9FB172-1062@storefull-2312.public.lawson.webtv.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1432 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.51 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., davidcoons@w... wrote: > to an audiophile its not quite equal,but for practical purposes 10k is > very close to 15k if you tweak the top end a bit...at least to my ears 10KHz is not bad esp. for casual listening but if you plan on sit back and listen to it at a moderate to loud level it has a tired sound and can be wearing on the ears but if you increase the BW by ~25%, ~2-3KHz it gives it a fresh sound. Now this is not as much a problem in a car as the road noise can drown out these high frequencies unless you turn it up. I have played around with lowpass filtering and compared a 10KHz roll off with higher frequencies. The magic 3db cutoff point seems to be around 12.5KHz. Part of the harshness of the 10KHz cutoff comes from the ringing of a sharp attenuation at 10KHz which is magnified by tweaking the top end. To combat this you need a more gradual roll off with a 3db @ 7.5KHz and an attenuation of 9-12db as you approach 10KHz but you will loose a lot of crispness with this method. I guess I'm an audiofile though but I think this would put the fidelity right up there with FM and AM-IBOC. AMS needs every edge it can get and giving it a freq. response that is close to high fidelity could be that needed boost. I consider 10KHz to a good quality medium fidelity but it still has that "AM" sound and boosting the top end to bring out the highs just exasperbates the harshness. JSG From joen3wtv@yahoo.com Fri Mar 29 06:03:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: joen3wtv@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Mar 2002 14:03:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 73563 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2002 14:02:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2002 14:02:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11703.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2002 14:02:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20020329140229.64785.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.155.45.86] by web11703.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 06:02:29 PST Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 06:02:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Stereo stations To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <012201c1d6f8$e5a1bc60$82f9bed8@kredding430cdt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: joe elias X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=35888484 X-Yahoo-Profile: joen3wtv im going to play devils advocate.do we really need a spports talk station in stereo.if were a broadcaster planning to air talk radio on my station.i would turn the stereo equipment off in heartbeat....joe --- kevin wrote: > > That's 1670 KRNO in Redding, CA, another infamous > ESPN Radio station > > (do we REALLY need MORE of these???). > > I think so. I have had their ads in stereo with > seperation. > > The programming is pure unadulterated MONO though. > > Kevin > Mesa, Arizona > > ===== +++ PRAY THE ROSARY EVERYDAY +++ +++ O MARY CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN PRAY FOR US WHO HAVE RECOURSE TO THEE+++ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/ From amfmdx@fastq.com Fri Mar 29 07:08:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Mar 2002 15:08:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 23614 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2002 15:08:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2002 15:08:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2002 15:08:20 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d197-osel.phx.fastq.com [209.63.214.184]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g2TF8Jn54513 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 08:08:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <001101c1d732$56fc5a80$b8d63fd1@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: KUET update Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 07:59:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 > In that case, some POLITE phone calls might make them feel better, > knowing that the listeners actually care, but I wouldn't scold them. > These things happen. They were surprised an KUET that anyone called at all and noticed the stereo out. I hope that some of you called. The pilot is again on and they sound good. I don't know if its just the satellite ABC "Timeless Classic" format thats in mono but the stereo pilot is on and they are in wide mode. I am waiting for ads so I can report. At least wide mode sounds good. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From amfmdx@fastq.com Fri Mar 29 07:33:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Mar 2002 15:33:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 84021 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2002 15:33:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2002 15:33:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2002 15:33:46 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d197-osel.phx.fastq.com [209.63.214.184]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g2TFXjn55207 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 08:33:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <003401c1d735$e096c3e0$b8d63fd1@kredding430cdt> To: References: <20020329140229.64785.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Stereo stations Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 08:24:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 > im going to play devils advocate.do we really need a > spports talk station in stereo.if were a broadcaster > planning to air talk radio on my station.i would turn > the stereo equipment off in heartbeat....joe Joe, When you listen to people talk, are they all in front of you in a line and coming from only one place? For me, people are all over the place when they talk, right and left and center. If you have talk in stereo, you can have the people in positions, right, left and center. It sounds more natural and I am very surprised that talkers don't use this more often. I always thought the idea was to make radio sound so good that its like it was natural. Stereo would do it. Just because you are a talker doesn't mean you have to sound BAD. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Fri Mar 29 10:01:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Mar 2002 18:01:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 97189 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2002 18:01:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2002 18:01:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2002 18:01:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2002 18:01:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 18:01:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Stereo stations Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020329140229.64785.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1289 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.169.141.222 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 Sure why not? Stations like WJR and WLS are just strickly news- talkers and they sound fabulous! Even though most stuff is mono its great to wait for the commercials and hear the station open up!! My theory is if the technology is available, like C-QUAM, why not utilize it? I always laugh at stations when they say they "upgraded" their equipment with a mono transmitter! MattH --- In amstereoforum@y..., joe elias wrote: > im going to play devils advocate.do we really need a > spports talk station in stereo.if were a broadcaster > planning to air talk radio on my station.i would turn > the stereo equipment off in heartbeat....joe > --- kevin wrote: > > > That's 1670 KRNO in Redding, CA, another infamous > > ESPN Radio station > > > (do we REALLY need MORE of these???). > > > > I think so. I have had their ads in stereo with > > seperation. > > > > The programming is pure unadulterated MONO though. > > > > Kevin > > Mesa, Arizona > > > > > > > ===== > +++ PRAY THE ROSARY EVERYDAY +++ > +++ O MARY CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN PRAY FOR US WHO HAVE RECOURSE TO THEE+++ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover > http://greetings.yahoo.com/ From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Mar 29 10:26:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Mar 2002 18:26:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 43181 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2002 18:26:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2002 18:26:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO boron.vcn.com) (209.193.72.5) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2002 18:26:22 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.30]) by boron.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 11:26:21 -0700 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Stereo stations Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 11:26:12 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree totally. On TV, most of the time it's people talking...and they're mono. So why is TV stereo? For the crowd laughing (on a sitcom), for the theme music, for the effects (on a movie like Top Gun) and so on. Talk radio is similar to TV. You still have commercials, themes, liners and stuff that all sound magnificent in stereo. I spent lots of time listening to KFI over the last while that they've been talk just to hear theme music, liners, and commercials EXPLODE and JUMP OUT at me in stereo. Well....until they shut it off :( That's like saying "well the only TV stations that should be in stereo are VH1 and MTV because they play music." Yet ALL or just about ALL TV stations and satellite channels are stereo. I noticed "the Weather Channel" is not....and I think they're the only one. The rest of them....even American Movie Classics and Turner Classic Movies...which feed OLD MONO movies most of the time......they still feed everything in stereo. MJR > --- kevin wrote: > > > That's 1670 KRNO in Redding, CA, another infamous > > ESPN Radio station > > > (do we REALLY need MORE of these???). > > > > I think so. I have had their ads in stereo with > > seperation. > > > > The programming is pure unadulterated MONO though. > > > > Kevin > > Mesa, Arizona > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Mar 29 10:38:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Mar 2002 18:37:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 20615 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2002 18:37:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2002 18:37:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO boron.vcn.com) (209.193.72.5) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2002 18:37:58 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.30]) by boron.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 11:37:58 -0700 To: Subject: Analog radios Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 11:37:49 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Hi guys I've done several conversions now on stereos with digital tuning. It's been pretty easy. A chip like the Sanyo 1137N for the AM tuner..and the usual IF filter that controls the bandwidth. Well last night I tore into a Magnavox boombox that's about 15 years old or so. I wanted to maybe just put a cap across the ceramic filter to widen the bandwidth some to make it clearer. This unit uses a Philips chip that is a combo AM/FM tuner I guess. And an analog tuning system.....the square clear variable tuning thing with the 4 screws on it. I guess I'm not as clear how these work. I could find NO WHERE any sort of filter that was anything like what I've seen in the digital units. How do THESE work? IS there indeed some sort of IF filter? Is it just because of the chip that is used? The chip was a Philips TEA5570 chip. Do they use a series of caps to narrow the bandwidth? Any ideas? MJR From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Mar 29 12:20:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Mar 2002 20:19:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 14073 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2002 02:11:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2002 02:11:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2002 02:11:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2002 00:02:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 22:06:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: SRF-42 problems..... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <99.23e483fc.29d0f5c9@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 710 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.203 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I'm not sure if there's a problem with my SRF-42... > ..Seems every time I use it to tune in an AMS station there's an > underlying 'hiss' to it... > Has anyone else experienced this? On weaker signals, the Sony SRF-42 does tend to be a bit "hissy". But with fresh batteries and a strong station, there should be no excessive background hiss. The SRF-42 can also be safely powered at 4.5 or 5 volts (instead of the 3 volts provided by the 2 AA batteries) and some say this extra voltage gives it better reception and sound quality. The biggest help for good reception would be a tuneable loop antenna such as the Select-A-Tenna, Terk AM Advantage, or the version that Radio Shack sells for US$30. From 1377.3mp@start.com.au Fri Mar 29 12:37:09 2002 Return-Path: <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Sender: 1377.3mp@start.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Mar 2002 20:37:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 42589 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2002 20:37:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2002 20:37:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2002 20:37:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2002 20:35:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 20:35:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: nrcdxas.org files area gone ? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 149 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Originating-IP: 213.121.67.53 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69495942 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan JUst tried http://www.nrcdxas.org/amstereo/stations/ and it's a dead link. What is the correct url now as I presume the sub-dir has changed name ? From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Mar 29 12:58:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Mar 2002 20:58:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 83148 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2002 20:58:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2002 20:58:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2002 20:58:02 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.148]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 15:58:18 -0500 Message-ID: <001301c1d763$a1b7dc80$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Stereo stations Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 15:52:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 If you really want to hear awsome stereo on a brodcast TV signal, check ot "The Simpsons" on Fox- amazing stereo! (one great show, IMHO) CC From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Mar 29 13:32:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Mar 2002 21:32:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 94046 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2002 02:00:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2002 02:00:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2002 02:00:37 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-223.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.223]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2Q20K0I011228 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 20:00:21 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <004b01c1d46a$587ea040$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <003701c1d3b1$bbc35f60$c6e492ca@mph> Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM-PDM Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 20:02:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I believe there's an article or two on it at www.amwindow.org in their tech section. This is a ham radio site, BTW. In a nutshell, PDM is created by creating an ultrasonic triangle wave, then summing it with the audio waveform such that the triangle wave isn't mixed, per-se, but rides on top of the audio. This is then compared to a reference voltage, and if the triangle wave is at an audio peak, most of it will be above the reference, and it will then create a long pulse. If it is at the bottom of the waveform, only a small portion of the triangle wave will get above the reference, creating a short pulse. These pulses are fed to a modulator in series with the RF amplifier(s) which pulses the carrier on and off at this ultrasonic rate. Current PDM techniques are more refined than this, but if you understand the above it's not a great leap to understanding the other. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Christtijanto > Do somebody here know about Pulse Duration Modulator techniques on the AM > transmitter ? > From davidcoons@webtv.net Fri Mar 29 14:18:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: davidcoons@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Mar 2002 22:18:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 51402 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2002 22:18:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2002 22:18:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net) (209.240.198.118) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2002 22:18:20 -0000 Received: from storefull-2312.public.lawson.webtv.net (storefull-2312.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.212.220]) by mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AF3D44A for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 14:18:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-2312.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id OAA13013; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 14:18:20 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRTltBo5Pl9c2y6nxA8uVu+7ugmcAIUKMR5866qIyC+0wr0EHDkTyKHF/g= Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 17:18:20 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC cannot be used at night-time; Daytime only. DOA. Message-ID: <22451-3CA4E82C-1069@storefull-2312.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "jsgilst" 's message of Tue, 26 Mar 2002 00:58:32 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-From: davidcoons@webtv.net (David Coons) From: davidcoons@webtv.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10533228 while I certainly agree in purist terms,in the world of radio listening we are dealing with a lot of walkmans,clock radios,boomboxes,car stereos,portables etc.that go nowhere near 15k audio on fm..if the am sections on said radios were of amax quality it would be esentialy equal.I suspect many audiophiles also shudder at fm as well being that its not 20-20k as are cds,vinyl,even high end cassettes From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Mar 29 14:23:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Mar 2002 22:23:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 84957 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2002 01:00:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2002 01:00:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2002 01:00:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2002 23:54:47 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 00:49:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC cannot be used at night-time; Daytime only. DOA. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1470 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.93.7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics The problem with IBOC is that adjacent interference on *both* adjacent channels kills it. For example, if the IBOC signal is on 1000 kHz and you have adjacent stations coming in on both 990 and 1010 kHz, that prevents the digital signal from being decoded due to the "splatter". It is supposedly okay with only one adjacent-channel station, but with stations on both sides, that kills the IBOC. That is why it is okay during the day, because you never have a case where a daytime signal has two strong signals directly on either side of it. But at night, that is a common occurence due to all the skywave signals coming in. What the folks at IBOC wanted to do was for the FCC to limit the audio bandwidth of all analog AM stations down to 4.5 kHz. That would significantly cut down on the adjacent-channel interference, since if you have two stations 10 kHz apart and they are both transmitting less than 5 kHz of audio response, there won't be any "splatter" interference between them (assuming your receiver has a corresponding sharp cut-off of its response at 5 kHz or less). This is common in continental Europe; the stations are packed in on 9 kHz channels, and with a 4.5 kHz maximum audio response (as mandated by the ITU), at least theoretically they don't splatter onto each other. Of course the audio sounds like rubbish with that telephone-like response, but high fidelity was obviously not a concern for these European AM stations. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Mar 29 14:29:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Mar 2002 22:29:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 71180 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2002 22:29:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2002 22:29:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14203.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.145) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2002 22:29:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20020329222942.61043.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.162.18.173] by web14203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 14:29:42 PST Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 14:29:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: Help: Audio output pin on Toshiba LA1135 To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I have a Chrysler AM-mono/FM Stereo radio from the transition year of 1992, so I got burned with one that doesn't have stereo AM. Anyhow, I am trying to add a decoder, and if appears that I can tap a coil near it, but the audio level is 'hot'. Question is, I'm trying to find where the mono audio goes to the stereo amp input. Does anybody know what pin of the LA1135 is 'audio out'? I'm hoping I can trace this pin to the AM/FM audio 'switch'. Thanks all. PS: Chrysler Part #5269182 radio __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/ From Bossmsx@aol.com Fri Mar 29 16:05:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 30 Mar 2002 00:05:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 98436 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2002 03:20:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2002 03:20:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d09.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2002 03:20:53 -0000 Received: from Bossmsx@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 7.112.ec4b9b8 (5709) for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 22:20:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from web40.aolmail.aol.com (web40.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.1]) by air-id04.mx.aol.com (v84.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID42-0325222048; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 22:20:48 -0500 Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 22:20:48 EST Subject: Re: IBOC and DRM - What's the diff ? To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <112.ec4b9b8.29d14310@aol.com> From: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx <> I would guess not...Doesn't DRM use totally different frequencies than conventional AM and FM frequencies? And isn't DRM the only digital transmission system that's actually in Mono, as I think I've read someplace? Tony Simon From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Mar 29 16:26:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 30 Mar 2002 00:26:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 25751 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2002 00:26:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2002 00:26:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2002 00:26:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2002 00:26:57 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 00:26:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC and DRM - What's the diff ? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <112.ec4b9b8.29d14310@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1901 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.91.9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I would guess not...Doesn't DRM use totally different frequencies > than conventional AM and FM frequencies? No, that would be "DAB", otherwise known as "Eureka 147", operating on various VHF and UHF frequency ranges in Canada and Europe. See the UseNet Newsgroup "alt.radio.digital" for lots of talk about DAB in the UK. > And isn't DRM the only digital transmission system that's actually > in Mono, as I think I've read someplace? DRM currently is mono, but they claim it will support Stereo on wider bandwidth signals. DRM is currently limited to a 4.5 kHz audio bandwidth (total 9 kHz RF bandwidth) so it can be used on the tight frequency spacing of the AM/MW and Shortwave bands in Europe without "splattering" onto adjacent channels (like IBOC). The bit-rate of DRM's digital data stream is about 25 kbps, which is too low to support Stereo. As it is, from the samples they have on their web site, the quality is rather low even in mono; it has 15 kHz frequency response, but you can clearly tell it is digitally compressed, like a low-quality MP3 or RealAudio file. Also, contrary to claims here, IBOC does not use 15 kHz of audio bandwidth. It uses the same 10 kHz audio bandwidth (for total of 20 kHz RF bandwidth) as analog AM in North America. But the problem is that it needs to have the *full* 10 kHz bandwidth with clean reception in order to decode the digital data stream, and as you can tell from regular analog AM, that is not always possible, especially at night. In other words, you can't switch an IBOC receiver to "Narrow" mode for better selectivity; it either has to pick up the full bandwidth, or it won't work at all. And at night, when there are stations all spaced right next to each other on the dial coming in strongly, this causes enough adjacent-channel "bleed-over" to prevent IBOC from working on all but the strongest signals. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Mar 29 16:32:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 30 Mar 2002 00:32:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 54429 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2002 00:32:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2002 00:32:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2002 00:32:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2002 00:32:46 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 00:32:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 600 WICC sold to Cumulus Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008401c1d702$e3edbf40$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 670 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.91.9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Oooh! juicy tidbit! Does Cumulus have any other AMS stations? Why > would Aurora ditch their most profitable station??? Cumulus bought the whole company of Aurora, and thus acquired all of Aurora's stations, not just WICC. Cumulus currently owns about 250 stations across the country, 66 of which are on AM. From the list on their web site as compared to the current AM Stereo listing, the following Cumulus stations are in AM Stereo: 590 WVLK Lexington, KY (Full Service) 600 WICC Bridgeport, CT (Adult Contemporary/Talk) 900 WGOK Mobile, AL (Gospel) 1280 WNAM Neenah-Menasha, WI (Adult Standards) There may be others but that is all I know of right now. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Fri Mar 29 16:38:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 30 Mar 2002 00:38:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 1123 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2002 00:38:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2002 00:38:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2002 00:38:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2002 00:38:00 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 00:37:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Analog radios Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1729 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.190 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Hi guys > I've done several conversions now on stereos with digital tuning. > It's been pretty easy. A chip like the Sanyo 1137N for the AM tuner..and > the usual IF filter that controls the bandwidth. > Well last night I tore into a Magnavox boombox that's about 15 years old or > so. I wanted to maybe just put a cap across the ceramic filter to widen the > bandwidth some to make it clearer. This unit uses a Philips chip that is a > combo AM/FM tuner I guess. And an analog tuning system.....the square clear > variable tuning thing with the 4 screws on it. I guess I'm not as clear how > these work. I could find NO WHERE any sort of filter that was anything like > what I've seen in the digital units. How do THESE work? IS there indeed > some sort of IF filter? Is it just because of the chip that is used? The > chip was a Philips TEA5570 chip. Do they use a series of caps to narrow the > bandwidth? Any ideas? > > MJR Many older radios with analog tuning do not have ceramic filters but have several IF transformers. These radios are also at 455KHz whch is nice because there are ceramic filters at this freq available. If you have a (very) old analog phone that operated in the 50KHz range not 900MHz both the handset and base have 7.5KHz ceramic filters if you have one to caniblize. The chrysler radios used a filter with the same width. The most common are muRata CFW455E (black) but may be stamped just 55E. There are other brands TOKO (grey) and I think Kyocera (lt blue) but most are 7.5KHz and a few are 6KHz. If you use these wide filters you will want to have 10KHz notch filters for nighttime listening. JSG From jsgil@hal-pc.org Fri Mar 29 16:53:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 30 Mar 2002 00:53:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 37191 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2002 00:53:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2002 00:53:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2002 00:53:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2002 00:53:36 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 00:53:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC cannot be used at night-time; Daytime only. DOA. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 683 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.190 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > > What the folks at IBOC wanted to do was for the FCC to limit the audio > bandwidth of all analog AM stations down to 4.5 kHz. That would > significantly cut down on the adjacent-channel interference, since if > you have two stations 10 kHz apart and they are both transmitting less > than 5 kHz of audio response, there won't be any "splatter" > interference between them (assuming your receiver has a corresponding > sharp cut-off of its response at 5 kHz or less). > Let's hope and pray that this doesn't happen as this would be the end to high quality C-QuAM and mono AM would sound horrible. JSG From jsgil@hal-pc.org Fri Mar 29 17:03:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 30 Mar 2002 01:03:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 86962 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2002 01:03:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2002 01:03:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2002 01:03:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2002 01:03:25 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 01:03:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Analog radios Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 815 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.190 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "jsgilst" wrote: > > > Many older radios with analog tuning do not have ceramic filters > but have several IF transformers. These radios are also at 455KHz > whch is nice because there are ceramic filters at this freq available. Oh yea I forgot. If you are using one of Chris Cuff's converters it has a 3.6MHz resonator for the PLL which divides down to 450KHz. If you want to use a 455KHz ceramic filter you will need a 3.64MHz resonator. Where you can get one I don't know. The other option is to retune the IF transformers to 450KHz which is a job in itself. This is one reason I still like to use the MC13020 since you can use an LC tank circuit that can be tuned to the appropriate PLL frequency and operate the chip in synchronous mode for best performance. JSG From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Mar 29 17:24:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 30 Mar 2002 01:24:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 96949 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2002 01:24:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2002 01:24:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2002 01:24:15 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-193.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.193]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2U1NqOq011235 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 19:23:53 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <008001c1d789$f527c440$d3a9fea9@me> To: Subject: need a contact person Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 19:26:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit About a week ago Matt Haw posted about a couple Vancouver stations that had gone mono. I've contacted both of them, and am waiting to hear back from the engineer of CKST, but I found out some of the equipment at CKMO is still owned by the previous owner, Rogers Communications, and that includes the AMS generator. Do any of our Canadian correspondents know who the engineering grand poohbah is at RC and how to contact him? Or at least if you can get me a general switchboard number at their HQ, I could follow up from there. Thanks. Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Mar 29 17:44:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 30 Mar 2002 01:44:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 98033 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2002 01:44:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2002 01:44:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2002 01:44:58 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-193.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.193]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2U1iTOq013524 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 19:44:36 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00e901c1d78c$da0c0a60$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: And the general public yawns at the mention of AM Radio Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 19:47:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude We could go past the walkman style with some stereo amp chips. National Semiconductor has all sorts of low cost stereo amps on a chip for only a few dollars each. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: jsgilst The difference between a low end or high > end is not that much with these chipsets. I think a full featured > walkman style AMS radio could be produced for a reasonable price. > From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Mar 29 17:47:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 30 Mar 2002 01:47:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 10174 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2002 01:47:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2002 01:47:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2002 01:47:15 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-193.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.193]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2U1kpOq013819 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 19:46:53 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00ef01c1d78d$2b66c300$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} And the general public yawns at the mention of AM Radio Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 19:49:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude 5K is nothing to sneeze at- two of my three stations are 5kW, the other is 3800. They all get reasonable daytime coverage, and the night signals reach most of the metro area. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: jsgilst > That would be nice but I think a 25KW would be picked up for > sports/talk before it could be picked up for a song in a major > market. A 5KW would be different as there a lot more of these > around. From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Mar 29 17:52:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 30 Mar 2002 01:52:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 66787 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2002 01:52:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2002 01:52:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2002 01:52:32 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-193.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.193]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2U1q9Oq014396 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 19:52:10 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00f701c1d78d$e89935c0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <3C9EFB64.9009.5E17B3@localhost> <001e01c1d578$6240f2e0$d8f592ca@mph> Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM-PDM Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 19:55:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude There's a ham radio website called the AM Window www.amwindow.org , and there are some PDM circuits in the tech section. If Jeff doesn't have a lot of time to explain things, you could learn some there as a number of hams are starting to use it. BTW, what are you using for a transmitter right now? I doubt you'd want to convert it to PDM, but it could be done. Worst thing about it is you'd have to double the plate voltage since the modulator is in series with the final RF amp. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Christtijanto > I work for Christian ministry radio which still operate a conventional type > AM transmitter, using modulation transformer to modulate the carrier > frequency. Now I try to built a solid state or vacuum tube tranmitter which > using PD-Modulator system for the modulator and I try to build one with our > ready-on-our-market parts, so it will lower the operational cost for the > future. From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Mar 29 18:09:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 30 Mar 2002 02:08:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 11222 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2002 02:07:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2002 02:07:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2002 02:07:26 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-193.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.193]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2U273Oq015956 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 20:07:04 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <013b01c1d78f$fd9b67c0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020329140229.64785.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com> <003401c1d735$e096c3e0$b8d63fd1@kredding430cdt> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Stereo stations Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 20:09:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude If all he aired was mono satellite feeds, then maybe, but I would hope that anybody here should they become rich enough to buy a station, wouldn't take that lazy man's way out and do enough local stuff to make stereo worth it. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin > Joe, > > When you listen to people talk, are they all in front of you in a line and > coming from only one place? From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Mar 29 18:12:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 30 Mar 2002 02:12:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 17331 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2002 02:12:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2002 02:12:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2002 02:12:38 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-193.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.193]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2U2CFOq016438 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 20:12:16 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <014801c1d790$b7544420$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <008401c1d702$e3edbf40$0101a8c0@pavilion> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 600 WICC sold to Cumulus Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 20:15:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude None that I know of. I have a friend who is helping the new owner of a former Cumulus station to get the thing in shape again. Seems it wasn't a very profitable station for Cumulus, and they just let it go to h-e double warm in a handbasket. Of course the new owner picked it up for a pittance. As for Aurora, perhaps they knew they could get big bucks for it. Maybe their grand poobah is cashing out and ready to retire? It does happen. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher Cuff > Oooh! juicy tidbit! Does Cumulus have any other AMS stations? Why would > Aurora ditch their most profitable station??? > CC From Bossmsx@aol.com Fri Mar 29 18:28:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 30 Mar 2002 02:28:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 19318 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2002 02:28:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2002 02:28:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2002 02:28:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2002 02:28:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 02:28:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: KUET update Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001101c1d732$56fc5a80$b8d63fd1@kredding430cdt> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 242 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bossmsx" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx > don't know if its just the > satellite ABC "Timeless Classic" format thats in mono That ABC format is NOT in Mono...It is very much in Stereo...WODX/WMIB in Marco Island ran it, and there was full separation in the music. Tony S/Miami From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Mar 29 18:31:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 30 Mar 2002 02:31:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 50045 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2002 02:31:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2002 02:31:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2002 02:31:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2002 02:31:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 02:31:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Analog radios Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1476 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.91.9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The most common are muRata CFW455E (black) but may be stamped just > 55E. MuRata also has yellow colored ceramic filters. Thanks to your tip, I figured out that the "50F" label on the Sony SRF-42's filter is short for "-450F" with a 450 kHz IF frequency and the "F" signifying a 6 kHz audio bandwidth. The SRF-42 then appears to use special audio filtering to compensate for the NRSC pre-emphasis and make the resulting audio response reasonably flat up to about 9.2 kHz, then with a sharp drop-off above that point to serve as a 10 kHz carrier whistle filter. In "Mono" mode, the SRF-42 does not use the treble equalization so therefore it sounds duller but the actual IF bandwidth is still the same. Other AM Stereo radios that use a 6 kHz ceramic filter include the MetroSound multi-system tuner and Chrysler car radios prior to the 1994+ 5-band-graphic equalizer versions with AMAX. The Realistic TM-152 uses a slightly narrower "4.5 kHz" filter but in reality the NRSC pre-emphasis used by AM stations matches the response curve of this filter quite well, so its actual audio response is good all the way to the 10 kHz limit. As far as I can tell, the legendary Sony SRF-A100 uses a 12.5 kHz filter in "Wide" mode, and in "Normal" mode it adds in a second filter to drop the response all the way down to less than 5 kHz. The SRF-A1 Walkman only has one filter so it may use something between these two extremes, like a 7.5 or 10 kHz filter. From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Mar 29 18:34:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 30 Mar 2002 02:34:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 70356 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2002 02:34:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2002 02:34:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2002 02:34:01 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-193.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.193]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2U2XcOq018903 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 20:33:39 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <016e01c1d793$b4965540$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020329222942.61043.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Help: Audio output pin on Toshiba LA1135 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 20:36:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Try www.netcomponents.com and check the datasheet locator. I believe that chip is a Sanyo number. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Johnny Electron > Question is, I'm trying to find where the mono audio goes to the > stereo amp input. > Does anybody know what pin of the LA1135 is 'audio out'? I'm hoping > I can trace this pin to the AM/FM audio 'switch'. > Thanks all. From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Mar 29 18:49:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 30 Mar 2002 02:49:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 51450 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2002 02:49:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2002 02:49:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2002 02:49:29 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-193.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.193]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2U2n6Oq020448 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 20:49:07 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <018f01c1d795$dd8897e0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo lite Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 20:51:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Have they heard it in stereo on your car radio? ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael J. Richard You should have seen the look > on my parents' faces when I tuned their radios over to 1000 and they heard > the music. Nah, neither of those is AMS compatible (but can > be...hmmmm...might want another couple of decoders from Chris) but > still...it's music...decent music....no interruptions. They were just so > impressed. They kept asking..."No REALLY Michael! What station is this??" > I deem it, the Cajun Radio Network. (Cajun Signs and Cajun Computers or > businesses here). > Fun stuff. I can even pick it up outside in my car in the parking lot in > STEREO!! From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Mar 29 19:00:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 30 Mar 2002 03:00:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 68082 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2002 03:00:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2002 03:00:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2002 03:00:24 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-193.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.193]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2U301Oq021652 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 21:00:02 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <01a301c1d797$63ee9c20$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 600 WICC sold to Cumulus Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 21:02:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Thanks for the heads-up. I emailed the GM and let him know how much I appreciate the AMS, and also the engineer, asking him to let me know if they do turn it off and how much they might want for the equipment. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics > "Just in case", if you'd like to let WICC know how good their Stereo > signal sounds to you (and if you're not within listening area, trust > me, it DOES sound great!), you can contact them via their web site at: > > http://www.wicc600.com/ From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Mar 29 19:05:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 30 Mar 2002 03:05:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 38698 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2002 03:05:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2002 03:05:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2002 03:05:55 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-193.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.193]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2U35WOq022212 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 21:05:33 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <01b501c1d798$298a12c0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Analog radios Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 21:08:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude There's absolutely no reason you couldn't use an LC circuit on any of those other chips. The other route would be to get a crystal specially ground for 3.64. The only problems would be it wouldn't have the pull-in range that a ceramic resonator would, and the cost would be higher. Would suggest an HC-49U size container. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: jsgilst > This is one reason I still like to use the MC13020 since you can > use an LC tank circuit that can be tuned to the appropriate PLL > frequency and operate the chip in synchronous mode for best > performance. > From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Mar 29 19:24:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 30 Mar 2002 03:24:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 58346 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2002 03:24:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2002 03:24:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2002 03:24:18 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-193.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.193]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g2U3NsOq024150 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 21:23:56 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <01d701c1d79a$ba774a80$d3a9fea9@me> To: Subject: Fw: Link Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 21:26:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How big is too big? http://www.salon.com/ent/feature/2002/03/27/beltway/index.html?x [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From smpoole7@bellsouth.net Fri Mar 29 20:45:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: smpoole7@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 30 Mar 2002 04:45:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 59738 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2002 04:45:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2002 04:45:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2002 04:45:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2002 04:45:35 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 04:45:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM-PDM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004b01c1d46a$587ea040$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 690 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "professorpoole" X-Originating-IP: 216.76.200.6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25309165 X-Yahoo-Profile: professorpoole > PDM ... Actually, PDM stands for "Purely Daredevil Mice," as opposed to the usual hamster in a squirrel cage. By coupling several healthy mice in parallel, the cage is rotated at much higher velocity, giving more output. (Air-cooling is achieved free of charge.) Other classes include: Class H -- haywired -- any transmitter over 15 years old that has been repaired by more than 3 different contract engineers. Class J -- junk -- any old RCA transmitter using Ampliphase modulation. Class M -- miracle -- no one knows how it works. It just does. Allegedly. Most of the time. Maybe. (The latter can also be applied to the output tuning network in a Harris MW-1 transmitter.) From jsgil@hal-pc.org Fri Mar 29 20:48:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 30 Mar 2002 04:48:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 16103 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2002 04:48:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2002 04:48:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2002 04:48:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2002 04:48:17 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 04:48:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Analog radios Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01b501c1d798$298a12c0$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1531 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.31 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Scott Todd" wrote: > There's absolutely no reason you couldn't use an LC circuit on any of those > other chips. The other route would be to get a crystal specially ground for > 3.64. The only problems would be it wouldn't have the pull-in range that a > ceramic resonator would, and the cost would be higher. Would suggest an > HC-49U size container. > > ST The datasheets for the MC13020 specify component values for LC, ceramic and crystal. They also say that a crystal has a pull in range of +/-100Hz, too narrow to be used for analog tuning unless you also used AFC on the LO to maintain an exact IF freq. They recomended crystals for only DTR and since all DTRs are at 450KHz 3.6MHz ceramic devices are available for these. Even the analog radios made today still use 455KHz. The only reason I see why they moved to 450KHz on DTRs is that it was easier to set up the divide by counters for tuning. Yes LC could be used for the third generation chips but Motorola doesn't provide any info on what component values to use. An exact selection may require internal knowledge of the chip, something that isn't in the datasheet. It would be trial and error to find a good combination. This would be of great help if we had LC PLLs for analog conversions since wide ceramic filters at 455KHz are easier to acquire. Add in 10KHz notch filters and NRSC de-emphasis and you could have a radio that sounded as good as those Chrysler AMAX ones minus the noise blanking though. JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Mar 29 22:35:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 30 Mar 2002 06:35:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 96457 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2002 06:35:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2002 06:35:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2002 06:35:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2002 06:35:10 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 06:35:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Analog radios Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1587 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.91.9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > combination. This would be of great help if we had LC PLLs for > analog conversions since wide ceramic filters at 455KHz are easier > to acquire. Actually the MC13028 decoder can be used with either 450 or 455 kHz IF both with a standard 3.60 MHz resonator. If it doesn't work right then you just add a 10 pF capacitor across the resonator and then it works fine. I believe Chris has even got it to work with new Blaupunkt car radios which use a 460 kHz IF. Similarly, Toshiba's TA8124 decoder can work with either 450 or 455 kHz IF both with a 3.60 MHz resonator. You just change one capacitor depending on what IF you are using. An LC circuit also tends to make the decoder sensitive to physical movement of the radio. Cheap radios with the MC13024 chip (Sangean, Ando, etc.) use an LC circuit and this is part of the reason why they automatically switch to mono if you try to pick them up and move them when tuned to a Stereo station. However, when careful attention is paid to this part of the circuit, the MC13024 can be used to make a very simple and low cost radio that still has excellent reception and sound quality. The '024 is unique in the Motorola line-up in that is not only an AM Stereo decoder, but actually a complete AM tuner with built-in Stereo decoder. It even has built-in AFC so with analog tuning it "locks into" the stations just like with FM-AFC. With the MC13024, you can have a complete AM Stereo radio using only two chips: the '024 for tuning and Stereo decoding, and a Stereo amplifier chip for headphone or speaker output. From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Fri Mar 29 22:39:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 54994 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2002 06:39:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2002 06:39:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2002 06:39:14 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2002 06:39:14 -0000 Date: 30 Mar 2002 06:39:12 -0000 Message-ID: <1017470352.179171.18336.w19@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /MC13024.pdf Uploaded by : kevtronics Description : Data Sheet in PDF format for the Motorola MC13024 AM Stereo Tuner/Decoder chip. You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/MC13024.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, kevtronics From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Mar 29 22:50:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 30 Mar 2002 06:50:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 67139 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2002 06:50:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2002 06:50:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2002 06:50:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2002 06:50:19 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 06:50:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Yahoo notice Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1257 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.91.9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics To go along with their recent trend of "downgrading" their free services, Yahoo has switched all of their members to receive "spam" e-mail advertisements, even if you specifically chose not to when you signed up for Yahoo. To correct your Yahoo settings to turn off this "spam" again, follow these steps: 1. Log into any Yahoo web site that has an "Account Info" link at the top of the page, such as http://my.yahoo.com/ 2. Click on "Account Info" and type in your password when asked. 3. Under the "Member Information" heading, click on "Edit your marketing preferences". 4. Notice that all of the "I would like to receive information (spam) about..." categories have been switched to "Yes" without your knowledge! Here you can turn them all back to "No". 5. Click on "Save Changes", and then "Finished". Actually, even with all of these settings switched to "Yes" I wasn't getting much "spam" at all to my Yahoo address, so it might not make that much of a difference. p.s. In case you hadn't realised by now, the Google search engine provided at http://www.google.com/ is a zillion times better than Yahoo's. In fact, Yahoo uses Google to provide their search results, so you might as well go direct to the source and just use Google! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Mar 29 23:04:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 30 Mar 2002 07:04:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 37586 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2002 07:04:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2002 07:04:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2002 07:04:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2002 07:04:44 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 07:04:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: www.AMStereoRadio.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 961 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.91.9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Unfortunately the www.AMStereoRadio.com web site is going to be unavailable for a little while because the server location for its content has changed, and Ben hasn't updated his redirection link yet. The change is due from the fact that my account on the Rutgers server was cancelled because I haven't been a student there since last year. I have moved the content of the site to the ORIGINAL location of the first AM Stereo site I created all the way back in 1996, at: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kevtronics I have e-mailed Ben to let him know about the change, but due to the holiday weekend he may not be able to get to it quickly. In my eight years of using it, CompuServe has always provided a very reliable service, so there should be no trouble or unexpected changes with the web address listed above. Currently everything on the site is up and running except the "Projects" section, which I am in the process of updating. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Mar 29 23:42:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 30 Mar 2002 07:42:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 69976 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2002 07:42:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2002 07:42:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2002 07:42:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2002 07:42:38 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 07:42:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Trimming messages Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 522 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Announce: yes From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Just a friendly reminder... when replying to messages on this group, please include only the relevant portions of the message you are replying to, not the whole thing. Excessively long back-quotes waste time and system resources and I have gotten complaints about this, so please be careful to cut out the unnecessary parts of the back-quote. The quickest way to do this is to hold down the Shift key while using the arrow keys to select the text you want to get rid of, and then hit the Delete or Backspace key. From n0uiheric@aol.com Sat Mar 30 00:19:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 30 Mar 2002 08:19:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 68174 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2002 08:19:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2002 08:19:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.34) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2002 08:19:47 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.82.19655949 (2519) for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 03:19:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <82.19655949.29d6cf1f@aol.com> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 03:19:43 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 600 WICC sold to Cumulus To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Cumulus has also been known for cost-cutting, a la Cheapskate Channel. One of their AM radio stations in southwest Georgia wound up going to all-satellite talk programming, dropping the local content and even Georgia Tech football and basketball. I hope AM Stereo is not a casualty with Cumulus' purchase of WICC, but local programming might be a casualty. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Mar 30 00:35:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 30 Mar 2002 08:35:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 50363 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2002 08:35:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2002 08:35:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2002 08:35:46 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.41]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 03:36:07 -0500 Message-ID: <003b01c1d7c5$1bf11c80$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Analog radios Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 03:30:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Anote to all- my decoders with the MC13028 work fine with either 450 or 455 Kc IF's= No mods or caps needed. This chip has a great pull-in range. There is no reason I could ever see to use the 13020 anymore. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: jsgilst Subject: {AMSF} Re: Analog radios > > Oh yea I forgot. If you are using one of Chris Cuff's converters > it has a 3.6MHz resonator for the PLL which divides down to 450KHz. > If you want to use a 455KHz ceramic filter you will need a 3.64MHz > resonator From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Mar 30 06:19:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 30 Mar 2002 14:19:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 20067 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2002 14:19:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2002 14:19:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r01.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.97) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2002 14:19:42 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.12a.ec62aab (3845) for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 09:19:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <12a.ec62aab.29d72377@aol.com> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 09:19:35 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Yahoo notice To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp I detect a great fall of Yahoo as we know it within two years. ...dont be surprised folks..the downfall of the internet is finally catching up with the bums. 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When you go into it you will see that they have set you to "yes" on everything (therefore sending you spam.) I highly advise everyone to go in and change it. When you're logged in at Yahoogroups, click on Account Info on the top right corner of the screen. Enter your password when prompted, then below the listing of your email addresses, you'll see a link for "Edit Marketing Preferences", click on that. You'll see it's set to Yes (please send me spam) on every option. Set them all to No, don't forget the two towards the bottom of the page about phone and snail mail spam and click the button to save it. Tony From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Mar 30 12:52:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 30 Mar 2002 20:52:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 58069 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2002 20:52:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2002 20:52:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2002 20:52:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2002 20:52:41 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 20:52:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fw:[Radio Broadcasting] Yahoo Spam Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 172 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.94.21 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Yahoo has added a "marketing" area to the account set up area of > groups. This is the same thing I just warned people about in my message entitled "Yahoo notice". From rjskadl@yahoo.com Sat Mar 30 18:02:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 31 Mar 2002 02:02:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 77802 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2002 02:02:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2002 02:02:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2002 02:02:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2002 02:02:30 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 02:02:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Select-a-tenna - Terk AM Advantage Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 528 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl I have heard a couple people mention the Select-A-Tenna and the Terk AM Advantage Antenna. I have also heard that there is a version available at Radio Shack for roughly $30. My two questions, first of all, do the really live up to all the hype? Do they really cut through the noise? My second question is which of these antennas is the best and or the easiest to use. As far as price, It looks like the Select-A-Tenna and the Terk AM Advantage are of comparable price. Your feedback is all greatly welcome. -Russ From davidcoons@webtv.net Sat Mar 30 18:06:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: davidcoons@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 31 Mar 2002 02:06:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 42973 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2002 02:06:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2002 02:06:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net) (209.240.198.119) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2002 02:06:01 -0000 Received: from storefull-2318.public.lawson.webtv.net (storefull-2318.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.212.226]) by mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id C6E1F273 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 18:06:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-2318.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id SAA15812; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 18:06:01 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRNhwXYoZPOO3mkgOzpkMEsQ4uvGgIVALT2JPzwnhRzCR7DY+6hP1QboqNk Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 21:06:01 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Select-a-tenna - Terk AM Advantage Message-ID: <15515-3CA66F09-1718@storefull-2318.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "rjskadl" 's message of Sun, 31 Mar 2002 02:02:29 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-From: davidcoons@webtv.net (David Coons) From: davidcoons@webtv.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10533228 yes and yes.they work great on radios wit small internal ferrite antennas as well as stereos with a small loop.terk is my choice for ease of use and apperance From amfmdx@fastq.com Sat Mar 30 18:37:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 31 Mar 2002 02:37:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 99012 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2002 02:37:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2002 02:37:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2002 02:37:51 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d96-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.128]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g2V2bnn84770 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 19:37:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <00ae01c1d85c$90fee7e0$80f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Select-a-tenna - Terk AM Advantage Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 19:34:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 > My two questions, first of all, do the really live up to all the > hype? Do they really cut through the noise? If you have noise on MW, nothing will make the noise go away. If you want the noise to go away, run a coax cable outdoors and preferably through a 4:1 rf transformer. Then feed the coax with a ground and a longwire in a part of your yard that is the quietest. Its real simple to put up. I use one. I also will tell you that a loop such as the RS loop will help you get stations or null noise but if the noise is there, its there. I own a RS loop and use it quite a bit. Its a nice DX tool. I used to use a SAT but sold it because it wasn't as versatile as the RS loop which is about 1/2 the price. The only thing that works with noise is getting an antenna away from the noise. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sat Mar 30 18:55:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 31 Mar 2002 02:55:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 23972 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2002 02:55:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2002 02:55:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2002 02:55:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2002 02:55:52 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 02:55:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Select-a-tenna - Terk AM Advantage Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1280 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.130.21 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "rjskadl" wrote: > > I have heard a couple people mention the Select-A-Tenna and the Terk > AM Advantage Antenna. I have also heard that there is a version > available at Radio Shack for roughly $30. > > My two questions, first of all, do the really live up to all the > hype? Do they really cut through the noise? > > My second question is which of these antennas is the best and or the > easiest to use. As far as price, It looks like the Select-A-Tenna > and the Terk AM Advantage are of comparable price. Your feedback is > all greatly welcome. -Russ All of these loop type of booster antennas are resonant LC circuits. They concentrate the field strength near them to the frequency they are tuned to. This has two effects, it increases the signal strength that the ferrite bar picks up boosting the signal above the receiver noise level and since it's a bandpass it's like having a double tuned frontend which helps with image rejection. If there is noise within the bandpass it will boost that too. It really helps to pull in the weak stations. You can also make your own with a tuning capacitor and wire which is what I did. I can sometimes pick up KCJJ and KKWY in SE Texas with it although it is very weak. JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Mar 30 19:03:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 31 Mar 2002 03:03:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 77251 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2002 03:03:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2002 03:03:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2002 03:03:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2002 03:03:17 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 03:03:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Select-a-tenna - Terk AM Advantage Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2536 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I have heard a couple people mention the Select-A-Tenna and the Terk > AM Advantage Antenna. I have also heard that there is a version > available at Radio Shack for roughly $30. The Select-A-Tenna works the best, but also costs the most. The Terk AM Advantage works almost as good, costs less, looks more stylish, and can work in both inductively coupled and direct-connected mode. The Radio Shack version is the cheapest and also works good, but not quite as good as the Terk or S-A-T. > My two questions, first of all, do the really live up to all the > hype? Do they really cut through the noise? What a tuned loop antenna does, is if you have a signal, it will make it louder and clearer. It also gives your radio better selectivity. However, if the channel is full of stations (such as the 1230-1490 kHz "graveyard channels"), it will make the undesired signals louder just like the desired signal. If the noise you mean is static/interference, nobody should have to live with that on AM. The easiest way to find out the source of the RF noise is to go to your home's fusebox with a flashlight and a portable AM radio and turn off all the circuit breakers. After a couple seconds (to let capacitors in electrical devices discharge), does the noise disappear? Then you know it was coming from something in your home. Turn on the breakers one by one until you find the one that was causing the noise. Then you know what circuit the "noisy" device is on. Common culprits of AM radio noise/interference: dimmer lamps and switches, halogen "torcheire" lamps (fire hazard anyway!), "touch base" lamps (where you just tap the metal base with your finger to turn it on), some "wall wart" AC adapter transformers, all sorts of computer equipment, TV sets when they are on or even just plugged in, etc. etc. Note that some of these devices can make AM interference even when they are off, as long as they are plugged in -- for example I had a touch base lamp that made "birdies" on various AM frequencies whenever it was plugged in. It was making a "chirping" noise on 590, 870, 1160, and 1440 kHz but was quiet on other frequencies. I thought this was just a natural product of the AC power system in my house because it would go away whenever there was a power outage... but I finally discovered the culprit by the "circuit breaker method" described above. My years of having "birdies" on the AM band because of this stupid lamp was ended by quite enjoyably smashing it to pieces! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Mar 30 19:15:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 31 Mar 2002 03:15:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 40711 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2002 03:15:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2002 03:15:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2002 03:15:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2002 03:15:57 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 03:15:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Power increase, but where's the Stereo? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2109 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics As explained below, WEEU in Reading, PA was formerly an AM Stereo station that was quite proud of their status, but after switching from 850 to 830 kHz with a new Nautel transmitter, the Stereo lasted only a couple months before it was switched off. I asked at the time and they were quite firm in their decision not to use Stereo anymore. I thought WEEU was a lost cause, until just about a week ago when they completed another signal upgrade, still on 830 kHz but now with 20,000 watts during the daytime, with a less directional 2-tower signal pattern as well. This upgraded signal definitely has better coverage, but remains in mono. Please join me as I inquire if WEEU would like to return to AM Stereo broadcasting with their newly increased daytime signal. Visit their web site at http://www.weeu.com/ and let them know you like the increased coverage of their new signal (it can now be heard clearly in Philadelphia), but miss the AM Stereo. And Jeff from Nautel, since they are using a Nautel transmitter (see the power meter on their web site showing a Nautel logo on it!), do you know if they ordered any AM Stereo equipment along with the new transmitter? Here is the blurb from Alex's web site from when WEEU first switched to 830 kHz and was still broadcasting in Stereo: > > > > 850 WEEU in Reading, PA have been transmitting in AM STEREO for quite few years and have just built a new Transmitting site on I-78 in Shartlesville, PA with a 5 tower array that began operating at 830 KHz from a new 10kw Nautel transmitter on October 11, 1999. They will be 5000 watts days and 6000 watts at night, with the day pattern being south-southeast and the night pattern being tight north and south. And, as confirmed by both the CE John Engel and the GM David Kline, they will continue to broadcast in MOTOROLA C-QUAM AM STEREO. For the record, WEEU is extremely proud of its heritage and the fact that they do broadcast in AM STEREO. Congratulations to everyone at the new 830 WEEU AM STEREO and best of luck on your new frequency. Keep up the great work! < < < < From dav259@csiro.au Sun Mar 31 00:06:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 31 Mar 2002 08:06:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 74724 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2002 08:06:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2002 08:06:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2002 08:06:51 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28174; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 18:06:47 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 18:06:47 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Cc: , , Subject: Our Steve ... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public It appears Steve from Ontario, Oregon is going indefinitely off-line in about 19 hours. Some seem to think that he waffled on a bit but nobody could deny his commitment to the cause! I, for one, found some of his messages funnier than Shane Filan's, Al Stewart's, and Lennie Khan's even when bundled as a package. He's not on this list - but there are several here who might like to privately bid him a final goodbye and wish him well. xlx@fmtc.com As Steve would say ... xlxoao (Steven-over-and-out) I'm going to miss him heaps. Ian IAAAS - Melbourne From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Mar 31 11:30:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 31 Mar 2002 19:30:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 33671 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2002 19:30:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2002 19:30:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2002 19:30:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2002 19:30:00 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 19:29:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WNZK 690/680 AM Stereo? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 544 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.19 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics This page lists WNZK 690/680 kHz in Dearborn Heights, MI as being an AM Stereo station... anybody know if this is true? http://www.michiguide.com/dials/rad-m/wnzk.html WNZK is the only AM station in the USA that uses two frequencies... they are on 690 kHz during the day, and 680 kHz at night. Also check out the "Aerial photo of area" link.... it gives an amazingly good view of the towers and transmitter site! This page has this feature for all of the Michigan-area AM Stations they list: http://www.michiguide.com/dials/am.html From davidcoons@webtv.net Sun Mar 31 14:49:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: davidcoons@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 31 Mar 2002 22:49:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 22154 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2002 22:49:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2002 22:49:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net) (209.240.198.119) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2002 22:49:30 -0000 Received: from storefull-2316.public.lawson.webtv.net (storefull-2316.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.212.224]) by mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id 345CF447 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 14:49:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-2316.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id OAA23324; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 14:49:29 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAux1eX7Lq5ARJRgbRlF4xSKVkvyICFQDJc9xW90oo8hdtv0qbIndnwYbdyw== Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 17:49:29 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Select-a-tenna - Terk AM Advantage Message-ID: <24779-3CA79279-3731@storefull-2316.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "rjskadl" 's message of Sun, 31 Mar 2002 02:02:29 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-From: davidcoons@webtv.net (David Coons) From: davidcoons@webtv.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10533228 tunable loops under certain conditions can lower or eliminate some types of electrical noise..it works here on 840 khz out of titusville by tuning the antenna away from the frequency.although the signal is reduced the noise is then much lower than on the radio without the loop,rendering it more listanable.not sure why it works but I suspect it puts the noise out of phase? somehow.. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Mar 31 16:12:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 1 Apr 2002 00:12:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 71073 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2002 00:12:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2002 00:12:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14203.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.145) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2002 00:12:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20020401001218.84481.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.162.18.173] by web14203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 16:12:18 PST Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 16:12:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: Greetings To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio A Happy Easter, Happy Passover, or Happy Springtime to all! (or Happy Autumn for those in the Southern Hemisphere!) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Mar 31 16:18:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 1 Apr 2002 00:18:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 8791 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2002 00:18:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2002 00:18:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2002 00:18:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20020401001822.38730.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.162.18.173] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 16:18:22 PST Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 16:18:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: WNZK Dearborn, Michigan (not AMS?) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio WNZK 680 Nighttime is NOT AM stereo as far as I can tell - let me rephrase- is it not transmitting a stereo pilot tone, at least not with the night transmitter on 680KHz. Can't tell you about days on 690 though. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/ From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Mar 31 17:14:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 1 Apr 2002 01:14:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 28025 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2002 01:14:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2002 01:14:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2002 01:14:24 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-159.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.159]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g311DwOq022494 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 19:14:00 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001301c1d91a$ed591560$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM-PDM Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 19:16:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Hey, now, that old 50G they used to have at KSTP was pretty good. I understand the 5kW would fit that description. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: professorpoole > Class J -- junk -- any old RCA transmitter using Ampliphase > modulation. From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Mar 31 17:46:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 1 Apr 2002 01:46:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 88612 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2002 01:46:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2002 01:46:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2002 01:46:05 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-159.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.159]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g311jdOq025704 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 19:45:40 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <005f01c1d91f$5a17b040$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Analog radios Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 19:48:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude From some of the replies it looks as though it wouldn't be needed, but in some rare instance that it might, I'd say just grab the junk box and do some experimenting! Generally anything with a high C to L ratio will be more stable since there's less wire to potentially move, so that's where I'd start, plus a lot of inductance tends to sharpen the tuning. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: jsgilst > Yes LC could be used for the third generation chips but Motorola > doesn't provide any info on what component values to use. An exact > selection may require internal knowledge of the chip, something that > isn't in the datasheet. From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Mar 31 17:50:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 1 Apr 2002 01:50:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 78389 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2002 01:50:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2002 01:50:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2002 01:50:19 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-159.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.159]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g311nrOq026390 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 19:49:54 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <006701c1d91f$f1bb92e0$d3a9fea9@me> To: Subject: Fw: AM stereo Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 19:52:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Got this nice letter from the CE at WICC, and thought I'd brighten your day by passing it along. I know he sounds optimistic about the station which will probably lead you to think "they don't know what they're in for." To be fair, however, there is a new CEO at the Cumulus helm, so it is entirely possible some of the horror stories we've heard about them in the past may not be repeated. They may decide not to tinker with success. Here's to continued AMS at WICC. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Scott Todd Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 12:38 PM Subject: Re: AM stereo > Hi Scott thanks for the nice words on the AM stereo, It is just to bad > the FCC took so long to decided on a standard, there were so many law suites > going on between Motorola and Kahn that it really killed the whole thing, > and I think that really hurt the AM band by not having the receiver > manufactures come out with AM stereo radios, it would have been nice if you > could walk into a department store and purchase a stereo radio but that was > not the case, you would have to go to a radio shack a circuit city or so to > find a stereo radio, and I do not think the public even today are aware that > there is or was stereo AM radio. well you can purchase a GE super radio > three and get good sounding AM by using the wide mode on the radio but it is > still not stereo, that was another thing back in the mid to late 80's the > NRSC national systems radio commission made all the AM stations install the > NRSC filter or processors this limits you to 10khz bandwidth this a 10 dB > boost at 10 khz with a sharp roll off after 10 khz than the receiver > manufactures were to manufacture these NRSC compliant AM radios so you > would be able to hear a AM station in full fidelity out to 10 khz > best to what I know is this never happened oh yes they did come out with AMX > certified radio but that did not last to long so the general public are > still out there with there low quality radios only hearing about 3 to 4 khz > bandwidth and most of the AM/FM radios today sound bad so we have to tinker > with the audio processing and listen to many different radios and hopefully > come up with a sound that will sound good on many different types of AM > radios. well after all that I do not think we will be turning off the stereo > here at WICC because I do get many E-mails about the stereo, and it is nice > to know that there are people like yourself that listen to it, and it is > also nice to work with a great management team here at WICC that still > believes in music on AM radio yes there is talk also. just in case you were > wondering what make the stereo equipment is it's a Delta electronics > stereo exciter and the transmitter is a Harris SX 1A 1KW transmitter the > station operates 1KW day and 500 watts night it is a DA2 meaning to > different directional patters day and night. > > Best of luck to you > ED Butler > Chief eng > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Todd" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 10:01 PM > Subject: AM stereo > > > > Dear Mr. Butler, > > > > I hope with the new manager at the helm of Cumulus Media they will not > > order you to turn off the stereo at WICC. It sounds so magnificent. If > > they do tell you to turn it off, however, please let me know what they > > might want for the equipment, especially the AM stereo generator. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Scott Todd > > > > From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sun Mar 31 20:36:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 1 Apr 2002 04:36:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 34818 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2002 04:36:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2002 04:36:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2002 04:36:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2002 04:36:04 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 04:36:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Analog radios Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005f01c1d91f$5a17b040$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1696 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.196 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Scott Todd" wrote: > From some of the replies it looks as though it wouldn't be needed, but in > some rare instance that it might, I'd say just grab the junk box and do some > experimenting! Generally anything with a high C to L ratio will be more > stable since there's less wire to potentially move, so that's where I'd > start, plus a lot of inductance tends to sharpen the tuning. > > ST > It also depends on the availibility of the ceramic resonators. Like the hard to find wide ceramic filters I never obtained the 3.6MHz resonators for decoders I made with the MC13020 and it was easy to get Amidon tuneable transformer forms so I just wound my own. The LC components specified for the MC13020 may work pretty well with the other decoders but I have not tried this yet. As far as detuning the 3.6MHz resonators to 3.64MHz with a cap and/or inductor there is probably not a problem with this if the free running freq. is 3.64MHz when the PLL loop voltage is at the center of its range. If it was off to one side I could see that you might have a problem of locking onto weaker signals if you wanted detune away from an adjacent interfering signal and the IF freq. was outside the loop pull in range. I've also experienced microphonic problems with the ceramic resonators with the TM-152. If I bump the receiver hard enough I can hear a low freq. ring like that of a tuning fork when in stereo. If you wind the coil and put Q-Dope on it it shouldn't move much. Increasing the number of turns increases the reactance faster than the resistance as the square of the number of turns. This will increase the Q and narrow the PLL range. JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Mar 31 20:44:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 1 Apr 2002 04:44:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 65107 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2002 04:44:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2002 04:44:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2002 04:44:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2002 04:44:07 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 04:44:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: LED traffic light interference Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2064 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.11 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics While driving, has anybody else noticed that the new LED-type traffic lights can cause a significant amount of AM radio interference? There are various types of traffic signals in use today: * conventional all-incandescent bulb types (which are interference- free 95% of the time) * some that use LED for the green and amber signals but not for the red light (which seem to be the most RF-noisy) * some that are the opposite -- LED for red and amber but not for green (not enough of them around here to be conclusive) * and finally some that are all-LED (which actually seem to be less RF-noisy than the mixed kind). I've heard that the radio interference is caused by the type of switching power supply these LED signals use, which include a form of PWM to control the brightness of the LEDs according to ambient light levels. For the mixed kind of traffic lights, the noise is usually only heard when the LED lights are active. For example, for those that use a regular red light and LED for green and amber, when you are stopped directly underneath a signal stalk as it is red, there is no radio interference, but the instant it turns green, you hear a large amount of hissing and buzzing type of interference on AM, and even sometimes some static on FM! Some have suggested complaining to the FCC about this, but I am unsure of the results that would achieve because these traffic lights are probably Part 15 compliant, just they cause an annoying level of AM radio interference when you happen to be driving underneath them. I would like to approach the traffic light manufacturers themselves about this, but first I'd just like to know whether the rest of you are experiencing this or not. The new LED traffic lights can be identified by them having a more "pure" color (i.e. distinctly *green* or *red*, rather than blueish-green or paled red), and if you look closely, you will see the "light" composed of many small individual LEDs, similar to some of the new trucks and busses that have LED taillights and turn signals. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sun Mar 31 20:53:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 1 Apr 2002 04:53:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 70615 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2002 04:53:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2002 04:53:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2002 04:53:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2002 04:53:42 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 04:53:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1017470352.179171.18336.w19@yahoogroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1212 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.196 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., amstereoforum@y... wrote: > > Hello, > > This email message is a notification to let you know that > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum > group. > > File : /MC13024.pdf > Uploaded by : kevtronics > Description : Data Sheet in PDF format for the Motorola MC13024 AM Stereo Tuner/Decoder chip. > > You can access this file at the URL > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/MC13024.pdf > > To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit > > http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files > > Regards, > > kevtronics After downloading the PDF and studying it this would be the perfect chip to make a low cost complete portable AMS radio. The one particular feature I like is the use of the PLL loop voltage to control the LO for AFC. If you use a crystal for the PLL you will maintain very tight IF freq. for the ceramic IF filter thus maximize separation, cosine correction and minimize distortion. The big question is are these chips still available. Using this chip on a mass produced scale you could produce a good quality AMS radio for a very low price. JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Mar 31 21:44:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 1 Apr 2002 05:44:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 60991 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2002 05:44:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2002 05:44:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2002 05:44:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2002 05:44:52 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 05:44:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: MC13024 based radios Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1819 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.11 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The big question is are these chips still available. Using this chip > on a mass produced scale you could produce a good quality AMS radio > for a very low price. I believe there is still a good quantity of MC13024's available because the demand for it turned out to be less than Motorola anticipated, and thus they over-produced it. The main problem is that unless you carefully design the circuitry, both in physical arrangement as well as electrical, it tends to drop to Mono mode too easily on Stereo signals, especially when you so much as touch the radio. Motorola gave it a "drop to mono if disturbed" feature, but it turned out to be a bit more sensitive than they expected, and basically prevents you from actually using it as a "Walkman" (since the vibrations from walking/jogging disturb it too much to stay in Stereo mode). However, if you design it right, this is not too much of a problem for radios intended for stationary use, and it is also possible to set it up to work in forced Stereo mode, which eliminates the problem. You are also correct that the MC13024 has very good performance and sound quality. The S/N ratio is not that great (as indicated in the data sheet), but otherwise it is a fine performer. The distortion is very low (especially in the bass region, in which proper cosine compensation is very important for C-Quam), the separation is very wide, and with proper filtering it would be easy to make a fully AMAX compliant portable radio based on the MC13024 chip. The only other catch is that unless you add quite a bit of extra circuitry, an '024-based radio would be AM only, with no FM. But in the eyes of a true AM Stereo enthusiast, this is actually an advantage! It makes for a very simple and "tweakable" radio, such as the Realistic TM-152. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Mon Apr 01 00:21:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 1 Apr 2002 08:21:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 78998 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2002 08:21:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2002 08:21:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2002 08:21:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2002 08:21:22 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 08:21:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: MC13024 based radios Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 807 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.115 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > > However, if you design it right, this is not too much of a problem > for radios intended for stationary use, and it is also possible to set > it up to work in forced Stereo mode, which eliminates the problem. > I think the problem lies with the decoder PLL and LO oscillators being LC based. Replacing the decoder PLL with a crystal and beefing up the LO with rugged coil design and good faraday shielding should help to reduce this maybe to the point so it could be used in portable walkman style radios. Torroids have self sheilding proerties but my experience is if you get your hand very close but not touching will disturb the resonant freq. i.e having it in your shirt pocket that moves around could cause disruption. JSG From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Apr 01 00:59:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 1 Apr 2002 08:59:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 28256 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2002 08:59:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2002 08:59:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2002 08:59:27 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.41]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 03:59:56 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01c1d95a$beca5660$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: MC13024 based radios Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 03:53:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 The MC13024 is very available overseas- there are probably over 100,000 available, in both standard DIP packages, as well as SMD. The 13024 MUST use a coil type oscillator- they will not work with a reasonator. When I started a project with these IC's in 1993, I talked a lot to Motorola about them, and they were very quick to point out that the most successful designs will only be acceptable using the "forced" mode. CC ----- Original Message ----- From jsgil@hal-pc.org Mon Apr 01 02:11:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 1 Apr 2002 10:11:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 47580 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2002 10:11:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2002 10:11:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2002 10:11:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2002 10:11:38 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 10:11:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: MC13024 based radios Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000c01c1d95a$beca5660$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 747 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.242 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Christopher Cuff" wrote: > The MC13024 is very available overseas- there are probably over 100,000 > available, in both standard DIP packages, as well as SMD. > The 13024 MUST use a coil type oscillator- they will not work with a > reasonator. When I started a project with these IC's in 1993, I talked a lot > to Motorola about them, and they were very quick to point out that the most > successful designs will only be acceptable using the "forced" mode. > CC > ----- Original Message ----- On page 3 in the datasheet it shows using a crystal or resontor with inductors and capacitors for the 3.6MHz reference osc. Is this not a viable option? I can understand that you have to use LC for the LO. JSG From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Apr 01 04:42:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 1 Apr 2002 12:42:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 98511 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2002 12:42:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2002 12:42:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO host.warwick.net) (204.255.24.254) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2002 12:42:40 -0000 Received: from chris (qelapsvc.florida.ul.warwick.net [208.228.96.20]) by host.warwick.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g31CgV666557 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 07:42:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000501c1d97a$9e82e320$0501a8c0@warwick.net> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: MC13024 based radios Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 07:42:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Yes, you can use a resonator, as long as you also use a coil as well. The IC requires the Vcc to pass thru the coil for the PLL to function. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: "jsgilst" To: Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 5:11 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: MC13024 based radios From jwelton@nautel.com Mon Apr 01 06:11:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 1 Apr 2002 14:11:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 2909 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2002 14:11:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2002 14:11:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserver.nautel.com) (24.222.4.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2002 14:11:46 -0000 Received: FROM jeff-welton BY mailserver.nautel.com ; Mon Apr 01 10:12:49 2002 -0400 To: "kevtronics" , amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 10:11:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Power increase, but where's the Stereo? Message-ID: <3CA8324F.6232.59603C@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body From: "Jeff Welton" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 > Philadelphia), but miss the AM Stereo. And Jeff from Nautel, since > they are using a Nautel transmitter (see the power meter on their web > site showing a Nautel logo on it!), do you know if they ordered any AM > Stereo equipment along with the new transmitter? Actually, none of the three Nautel transmitters that WEEU has (ND1, XL12 and XL30) contain the internal stereo exciter, so if they are (or have been in the past two years) broadcasting in stereo, it's with an outboard exciter. All three transmitters are capable of operation with an external stereo exciter - there is no difference in the interface between the XL12 and the XL30. Jeff Welton Nautel Customer Service Dept. Tel.: 1-902-823-3900 ext. 127 Fax: 1-902-823-3183 email: jwelton@nautel.com From crrf@bdg.centrin.net.id Mon Apr 01 06:15:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: crrf@bdg.centrin.net.id X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 1 Apr 2002 14:15:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 71103 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2002 14:15:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2002 14:15:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bdg.centrin.net.id) (202.146.253.3) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2002 14:15:41 -0000 Received: from mph (DialupBdg253-222.centrin.net.id [202.146.253.222]) by bdg.centrin.net.id (8.11.5/8.11.5) with SMTP id g31EFav10536 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 21:15:36 +0700 Message-ID: <001d01c1d963$9dee14a0$defd92ca@mph> To: References: <3C9EFB64.9009.5E17B3@localhost> <001e01c1d578$6240f2e0$d8f592ca@mph> <00f701c1d78d$e89935c0$d3a9fea9@me> Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM-PDM Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 16:47:47 +0700 Organization: CR Engineering MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 From: "Christtijanto" Reply-To: "Christtijanto" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107619901 Thanks for your info, Scott. Now, we use a pair 813's for RF amplifier and another pair for audio modulator. Yes, we should double the plate volts to convert them to the PDM system, build a PDM filter and test the output spectrum. But, I feel there is still a weakness for the vacuum tube PDM system, there is a floating-high-voltage-joint between the PDM and the RF Amplifier, and we should measure the current and voltage at that points. The meter would floating on high potential voltage and there is a danger if someone touch the meters, although we've protect them from touched by a person. My friend talks about Ampliphase, he suggest to study this technique although there are many negative opinions on it. What do you think ? Do you or somebodies here have Ampliphase schematics or its web address. Kindly would you send them for me. Christtijanto. ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 8:55 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM-PDM > There's a ham radio website called the AM Window www.amwindow.org , and > there are some PDM circuits in the tech section. If Jeff doesn't have a lot > of time to explain things, you could learn some there as a number of hams > are starting to use it. BTW, what are you using for a transmitter right > now? I doubt you'd want to convert it to PDM, but it could be done. Worst > thing about it is you'd have to double the plate voltage since the modulator > is in series with the final RF amp. > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Apr 01 10:24:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 1 Apr 2002 18:24:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 19929 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2002 18:24:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2002 18:24:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2002 18:24:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20020401182445.65473.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Apr 2002 10:24:45 PST Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 10:24:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: Australian AM Stereo Tuner To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hey Ian and folks down in Oz: Here's one just for you guys: It has 9KHz spacing and the mains are 240VAC, so we can't use it in the states. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1342748594 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/ From badlhoch@hotmail.com Mon Apr 01 10:25:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: badlhoch@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 1 Apr 2002 18:25:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 69024 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2002 18:25:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2002 18:25:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.204) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2002 18:25:26 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 10:25:25 -0800 Received: from 68.41.208.108 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 01 Apr 2002 18:25:24 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} WNZK 690/680 AM Stereo? Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 13:25:24 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Apr 2002 18:25:25.0847 (UTC) FILETIME=[97DB1670:01C1D9AA] From: "Bill Adlhoch" X-Originating-IP: [68.41.208.108] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59104360 i got a stereo signal on my sansui sx-1130 (multi-band) but not on my denon tu-680NAB I think they might be powersiding ----Original Message Follows---- From: "kevtronics" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} WNZK 690/680 AM Stereo? Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 19:29:58 -0000 This page lists WNZK 690/680 kHz in Dearborn Heights, MI as being an AM Stereo station... anybody know if this is true? http://www.michiguide.com/dials/rad-m/wnzk.html WNZK is the only AM station in the USA that uses two frequencies... they are on 690 kHz during the day, and 680 kHz at night. Also check out the "Aerial photo of area" link.... it gives an amazingly good view of the towers and transmitter site! This page has this feature for all of the Michigan-area AM Stations they list: http://www.michiguide.com/dials/am.html _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From 1377.3mp@start.com.au Mon Apr 01 12:26:01 2002 Return-Path: <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Sender: 1377.3mp@start.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 1 Apr 2002 20:26:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 24891 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2002 20:26:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2002 20:26:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2002 20:26:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2002 20:25:59 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 20:25:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Australian AM Stereo Tuner Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020401182445.65473.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 575 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Originating-IP: 213.121.69.206 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69495942 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Same tuner which David McKay uses and which I have 3MP recordings from Nice :-) voltage also fine for the UK of course --- In amstereoforum@y..., Johnny Electron wrote: > Hey Ian and folks down in Oz: > Here's one just for you guys: It has 9KHz spacing and the mains are > 240VAC, so we can't use it in the states. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1342748594 > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover > http://greetings.yahoo.com/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Apr 01 14:23:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 1 Apr 2002 22:23:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 78616 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2002 22:23:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2002 22:23:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2002 22:23:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2002 22:23:25 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 22:23:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Back on-line Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 535 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.130 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Thanks to the help of Ben Lennard, "The AM STEREO Web Site" (as it is now officially called) is back on line at its proper location of http://www.AMStereoRadio.com/, in addition to the new alternate address of http://www.AMStereo.s5.com/. It also now includes a complete listing of portable AM Stereo radios, with photos of all of them except the Sanyo MW-250 boom-box (which used the rare Sony multi-system decoder with automatic pilot detection and mode switching). Anybody here have one that they could take a picture of? From 1377.3mp@start.com.au Mon Apr 01 15:10:57 2002 Return-Path: <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Sender: 1377.3mp@start.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 1 Apr 2002 23:10:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 94495 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2002 23:10:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2002 23:10:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2002 23:10:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2002 23:10:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 23:10:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: www.nrcdxas.org MP3 samples not available Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 96 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Originating-IP: 213.121.70.51 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69495942 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan The link http://www.nrcdxas.org/amstereo/ is un-available tonight nortice. Is there a reason ? From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Apr 01 15:37:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 1 Apr 2002 23:37:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 6319 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2002 23:37:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2002 23:37:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO boron.vcn.com) (209.193.72.5) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2002 23:37:04 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.52]) by boron.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 16:37:03 -0700 To: Subject: Interesting site Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 16:36:57 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey all Just came across an interesting site while searching for information as to whether KIML in Gillette, WY was still AM Stereo. This site shows a listing of all the AMS stations in the US as of 1985. Thought it was interesting reading. Never ran across this one before. http://www.totse.com/en/media/radio_scanner_frequency_lists/ham014.html MJR in WYO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Mon Apr 01 15:42:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 1 Apr 2002 23:42:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 65556 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2002 23:42:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2002 23:42:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2002 23:42:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2002 23:42:39 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 23:42:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Australian AM Stereo Tuner Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1558 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.136.144.207 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 Unusual! I have the SAME exact model but its the Canadian only version. The case is not silver but a charcoal grey and minus the semi-cheesy "Stereo AM" sticker. Great DXing unit I find with just a cheap AM Loop antenna that came with my home theatre receiver. Can't wait when I move into my new house north of Toronto. I can have my huge wire antenna installed in the backyard. Hopefully I will still be able to hear CFCO in this area. Currently I get it in London but due to living in a rental apartment unit (townhouse) I can't help but get so much noise that the signal is really not that great. When in "Wide" mode the sound is very high pitched. I can get really nice reception on WGN and WLS at night though. WJR is another local that is hindered with the buzzing noise. Also I discovered that I can faintly get 770 Youngstown but have yet to get a pilot. MattH --- In amstereoforum@y..., "amstereofan" <1377.3mp@s...> wrote: > Same tuner which David McKay uses and which I have 3MP recordings from > Nice :-) voltage also fine for the UK of course > > > --- In amstereoforum@y..., Johnny Electron > wrote: > > Hey Ian and folks down in Oz: > > Here's one just for you guys: It has 9KHz spacing and the mains are > > 240VAC, so we can't use it in the states. > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1342748594 > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover > > http://greetings.yahoo.com/ From KC4QLP@aol.com Mon Apr 01 16:07:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 Apr 2002 00:07:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 25924 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2002 00:06:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2002 00:06:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r01.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.97) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2002 00:06:58 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.66.1eb1eca1 (16783) for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 19:06:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <66.1eb1eca1.29da5014@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 19:06:44 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} www.nrcdxas.org MP3 samples not available To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 4/1/02 6:11:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, 1377.3mp@start.com.au writes: << The link http://www.nrcdxas.org/amstereo/ is un-available tonight nortice. Is there a reason ? >> Yes...simple. It has been shut down as it was part of the Dennis league of wantabe am stereo list operators. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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CC ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics > It also now includes a complete listing of portable AM Stereo radios, > with photos of all of them except the Sanyo MW-250 boom-box (which > used the rare Sony multi-system decoder with automatic pilot detection > and mode switching). Anybody here have one that they could take a > picture of? From 1377.3mp@start.com.au Mon Apr 01 16:25:32 2002 Return-Path: <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Sender: 1377.3mp@start.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 Apr 2002 00:25:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 82035 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2002 00:25:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2002 00:25:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2002 00:25:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2002 00:25:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 00:25:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} www.nrcdxas.org MP3 samples not available Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <66.1eb1eca1.29da5014@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 440 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Originating-IP: 213.121.70.51 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69495942 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@y..., KC4QLP@a... wrote: > In a message dated 4/1/02 6:11:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, > 1377.3mp@s... writes: > > << The link http://www.nrcdxas.org/amstereo/ is un-available tonight > nortice. Is there a reason ? >> > Yes...simple. > It has been shut down as it was part of the Dennis league of wantabe am > stereo list operators. > Good job I d/loaded the whole lot (450Mb plus) a few weeks ago then ! From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Apr 01 16:33:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 Apr 2002 00:33:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 98726 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2002 00:33:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2002 00:33:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO boron.vcn.com) (209.193.72.5) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2002 00:33:32 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.52]) by boron.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 17:33:31 -0700 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} www.nrcdxas.org MP3 samples not available Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 17:33:25 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Downloaded all of them myself, and they're all on a CD now. :) GLAD I DID! MJR -----Original Message----- From: amstereofan [mailto:1377.3mp@start.com.au] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 5:25 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} www.nrcdxas.org MP3 samples not available --- In amstereoforum@y..., KC4QLP@a... wrote: > In a message dated 4/1/02 6:11:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, > 1377.3mp@s... writes: > > << The link http://www.nrcdxas.org/amstereo/ is un-available tonight > nortice. Is there a reason ? >> > Yes...simple. > It has been shut down as it was part of the Dennis league of wantabe am > stereo list operators. > Good job I d/loaded the whole lot (450Mb plus) a few weeks ago then ! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Apr 01 17:18:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 Apr 2002 01:18:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 7707 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2002 01:18:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2002 01:18:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO boron.vcn.com) (209.193.72.5) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2002 01:18:15 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.52]) by boron.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 18:18:13 -0700 To: Subject: Why? Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 18:18:08 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey again all Gonna implore your help in figuring another situation out here with an AM tuner I have a Marantz SR-940 AM stereo / FM stereo receiver. As you all saw, I'm running my Alfredo lite here at my shop. I have about 4 different radios now (2 walkmen, 2 car tuners) that are all picking this up and picking up the stereo pilot just fine. The marantz, for some reason, doesn't see the pilot. I opened it up and right on top is the AMS decoder. Looks similar to the ones we get from Chris....and plugs right into the board. It has a Motorola MC13020P chip on it. Is there some way to adjust sensitivity? Is there some reason this unit wouldn't be detecting it? The signal strength meter is showing full strength. I SHOULD be getting stereo like with any ot the other radios. Any ideas? There is a trimmer pot right on the decoder board. I tried adjusting it....hoping it was some kind of sensitivity pot....but nothing. still won't pop into stereo :( MJR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From watan-ko@rtri.or.jp Mon Apr 01 17:30:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: watan-ko@rtri.or.jp X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 Apr 2002 01:30:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 67624 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2002 01:30:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2002 01:30:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maglev.rtri.or.jp) (210.254.18.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2002 01:30:21 -0000 Received: by maglev.rtri.or.jp; id KAA19834; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 10:30:20 +0900 Received: from unknown(192.168.101.67) by maglev.rtri.or.jp via smap (V5.0) id xma019795; Tue, 2 Apr 02 10:29:56 +0900 Received: from compaq-67 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ipc02.rtri.or.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51AB1350F0 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 10:29:48 +0900 (JST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: ceramic resonators Message-Id: <200204021029.HHH88360.-UPBXLBO@rtri.or.jp> X-Mailer: Winbiff [Version 2.33] X-Accept-Language: ja,en Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 10:29:42 +0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Koji Watanabe X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67746350 X-Yahoo-Profile: irukero Dear members, Here in Japan, comes Spring, too. Cherry blossoms are very beautiful! The 3.6MHz and 3.64MHz ceramic resonators are available at Akihabara electric town in Tokyo. If you would like to get them, I will buy them when I visit Tokyo next time. However, according to Jeff, the two lead type resonators are discontinued. So, it's getting hard to find them gradually now. As for the Toshiba TA-8124 data sheet, I have one, but when it was developing in 1988. So, the values of CRs are not shown. I will find its complete data sheet. Koji Shiga, JAPAN From jsgil@hal-pc.org Mon Apr 01 17:43:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 Apr 2002 01:43:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 10966 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2002 01:43:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2002 01:43:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2002 01:43:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2002 01:43:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 01:43:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Why? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1629 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.70 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Michael J. Richard" wrote: The marantz, for some reason, doesn't see the > pilot. I opened it up and right on top is the AMS decoder. Looks similar > to the ones we get from Chris....and plugs right into the board. It has a > Motorola MC13020P chip on it. Is there some way to adjust sensitivity? Is > there some reason this unit wouldn't be detecting it? The signal strength > meter is showing full strength. I SHOULD be getting stereo like with any ot > the other radios. Any ideas? There is a trimmer pot right on the decoder > board. I tried adjusting it....hoping it was some kind of sensitivity > pot....but nothing. still won't pop into stereo :( > > MJR My experience with the 13020 is that the gain of the pilot circuit that is specified in the datasheet is not quite enough and I found it very hard to trigger on some signals. If the transmitted signal's pilot is just below the chips threshold set by the components it won't trigger into stereo. On my website I have some schematics with different component values for the pilot cutcuit associated with pins 11-14 on the 13020. If you experience crackle in stereo during less than ideal reception with the 13020 replace the cap in pin 5 with a .01uf . This will limit cosine correction to the lower frequencies where it is most important while reducing the slew rate of the cosine corrector circuit minimizing crackle. I you want the chip to operate in QuAM for L-R put a 100uf cap instead. Most people can't tell the difference with the error amp disabled. http://www.hal-pc.org/~jsgil/AM-Stereo JSG From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Apr 01 18:16:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 Apr 2002 02:16:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 17081 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2002 02:16:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2002 02:16:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2002 02:16:21 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-245.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.245]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g322FrOq011595 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 20:15:55 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001b01c1d9ec$c104a1a0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: MC13024 based radios Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 20:18:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude AMS enthusiasts that we are, we still have to consider the TM 152 wasn't a big seller, and any radio we make will have to have at least AM and FM (if not satellite or E-147 for Europe.) ST ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics > The only other catch is that unless you add quite a bit of extra > circuitry, an '024-based radio would be AM only, with no FM. But in > the eyes of a true AM Stereo enthusiast, this is actually an > advantage! It makes for a very simple and "tweakable" radio, such as > the Realistic TM-152. From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Apr 01 18:20:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 Apr 2002 02:20:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 85555 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2002 02:20:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2002 02:20:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO boron.vcn.com) (209.193.72.5) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2002 02:20:40 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.52]) by boron.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 19:20:40 -0700 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Why? Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 19:20:33 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks JS...I looked Lots of interesting and useful stuff there, although not a lot of help for me :( I guess it's just a little too far over my head. Is there a way to "turn up" the sensitivity? Pull out a resistor or something to maybe make the IF input into the decoder a little hotter? Or is there maybe a way to put this chip into "forced stereo" mode? This really sucks :( This is a receiver manufactured to be AM stereo. Not one that I put a decoder in. And I just don't understand why it's not working. I can't beleive the MC13020P is THAT flakey of a chip. This is a super strong clear signal it's getting from the Alfredo. Yet it just won't kick in. :( MJR -----Original Message----- From: jsgilst [mailto:jsgil@hal-pc.org] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 6:44 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Why? --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Michael J. Richard" wrote: The marantz, for some reason, doesn't see the > pilot. I opened it up and right on top is the AMS decoder. Looks similar > to the ones we get from Chris....and plugs right into the board. It has a > Motorola MC13020P chip on it. Is there some way to adjust sensitivity? Is > there some reason this unit wouldn't be detecting it? The signal strength > meter is showing full strength. I SHOULD be getting stereo like with any ot > the other radios. Any ideas? There is a trimmer pot right on the decoder > board. I tried adjusting it....hoping it was some kind of sensitivity > pot....but nothing. still won't pop into stereo :( > > MJR My experience with the 13020 is that the gain of the pilot circuit that is specified in the datasheet is not quite enough and I found it very hard to trigger on some signals. If the transmitted signal's pilot is just below the chips threshold set by the components it won't trigger into stereo. On my website I have some schematics with different component values for the pilot cutcuit associated with pins 11-14 on the 13020. If you experience crackle in stereo during less than ideal reception with the 13020 replace the cap in pin 5 with a .01uf . This will limit cosine correction to the lower frequencies where it is most important while reducing the slew rate of the cosine corrector circuit minimizing crackle. I you want the chip to operate in QuAM for L-R put a 100uf cap instead. Most people can't tell the difference with the error amp disabled. http://www.hal-pc.org/~jsgil/AM-Stereo JSG Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Apr 01 18:27:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 Apr 2002 02:27:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 16665 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2002 02:27:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2002 02:27:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2002 02:27:25 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-245.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.245]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g322QvOq013433 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 20:26:58 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <002301c1d9ee$4ca96be0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <3C9EFB64.9009.5E17B3@localhost> <001e01c1d578$6240f2e0$d8f592ca@mph> <00f701c1d78d$e89935c0$d3a9fea9@me> <001d01c1d963$9dee14a0$defd92ca@mph> Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM-PDM Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 20:30:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude You're absolutely right about the high voltage between the modulator and the PA; that's one of the weaknesses of tube type PDM. The metering on the Gates MW-50 was actually mounted on a high voltage point and was visible through a window. As for Ampliphase, forget it! It can be done, and I remember the one we had at KSTP- an RCA 50G, which was a nice transmitter, but you had to know what you were doing to get it to perform at its best, and I never got a chance to learn how to tune it. I'd recommend a Doherty system which uses separate carrier and peak tubes if you insist on re-using what you already have. Most of your large Continental Electronics brand transmitters used this modulation method, as did Western Electric before them. I could scan and email an old WECo brochure on it if you desire. Otherwise I'd build a new solid state PDM transmitter from the AM Window website. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: Christtijanto > But, I feel there is still a weakness for the vacuum tube PDM system, there > is a floating-high-voltage-joint between the PDM and the RF Amplifier, and > we should measure the current and voltage at that points. The meter would > floating on high potential voltage and there is a danger if someone touch > the meters, although we've protect them from touched by a person. > > My friend talks about Ampliphase, he suggest to study this technique > although there are many negative opinions on it. What do you think ? > > > Do you or somebodies here have Ampliphase schematics or its web address. > Kindly would you send them for me. From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Apr 01 18:34:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 Apr 2002 02:34:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 90394 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2002 02:34:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2002 02:34:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2002 02:34:53 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-245.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.245]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g322YQOq014403 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 20:34:27 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <002b01c1d9ef$5807c580$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} LED traffic light interference Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 20:37:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I've not noticed it with full semaphores as such, but four-way blinkers make a lot of hash. I'm surprised you've seen signals with conventional red lights and LEDs for the others, especially since the red ones are cheapest and are usually the first ones changed over. I've also noticed the green is still a bit bluish, if not quite as much as before, but it's absolutely necessary for those who are red/green colorblind. As far as complaining to the FCC about the interference, I'd say do it, since that's the only means of making sure ALL manufacturers comply. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics > While driving, has anybody else noticed that the new LED-type traffic > lights can cause a significant amount of AM radio interference? From jsgil@hal-pc.org Mon Apr 01 19:05:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 Apr 2002 03:05:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 30534 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2002 03:05:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2002 03:05:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2002 03:05:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2002 03:05:02 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 03:05:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Why? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2295 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.170 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Thanks JS...I looked > Lots of interesting and useful stuff there, although not a lot of help for > me :( > I guess it's just a little too far over my head. Is there a way to "turn > up" the sensitivity? Pull out a resistor or something to maybe make the IF > input into the decoder a little hotter? > Or is there maybe a way to put this chip into "forced stereo" mode? > > This really sucks :( This is a receiver manufactured to be AM stereo. Not > one that I put a decoder in. And I just don't understand why it's not > working. I can't beleive the MC13020P is THAT flakey of a chip. This is a > super strong clear signal it's getting from the Alfredo. Yet it just won't > kick in. > > :( > > MJR > You might try the following: Unless I have a schematic for the Marantz I can't specify components by part number so I will by pin association. Replace the resistor that connects to pins 13 & 14 with a 360K 1%. Replace the two caps connected to pins 13 & 14 with .33uf tantalums. On the other end of these two caps there should be two resistors connected to them. Replace the one that goes to to ground or Vcc with 1.2K 1% and the other one with 7.5K which gets the signal (indirectly) from pin 10 maybe through some other components. This should beef up the pilot bandpass to the max. Q and amplitude that is specified in the datasheet. You don't have to use 1% resistors if you select them with a digital meter. You can check to see if you're getting a strong enough signal into the chip by checking the voltage at pin 4 the AGC level cap. It should be around 2.5V. The no signal level on this pin is: Min: 1.4V, Typ: 1.7V, Max: 2.0V and can be checked by tuning the dial to no a station area. During full signal conditions the voltage should be well above the no signal level but close to 2.5V. Check out http://www.hal-pc.org/~jsgil/AM-Stereo/AMAX-Conv.gif and the optional pilot tone circuit section. This also has a 3rd order LP filter and co-channel circuit. I don't recomend using the components associated with pin 12 (co-channel) 10uf cap and 7.5K & 180K resistors unless your radio is DTR. I've had good luck with this upgrade as it provides a strong pilot for a quick lock. JSG From jsgil@hal-pc.org Mon Apr 01 19:09:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 Apr 2002 03:09:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 48829 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2002 03:09:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2002 03:09:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2002 03:09:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2002 03:09:04 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 03:09:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: MC13024 based radios Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001b01c1d9ec$c104a1a0$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 442 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.170 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Scott Todd" wrote: > AMS enthusiasts that we are, we still have to consider the TM 152 wasn't a > big seller, and any radio we make will have to have at least AM and FM (if > not satellite or E-147 for Europe.) > > ST Yes this is true but I also see a small market for a low price AMS only portable for us diehard AMS enthuiasts but also as a give away item by radio stations to promote AMS. JSG From jsgil@hal-pc.org Mon Apr 01 19:19:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 Apr 2002 03:19:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 23142 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2002 03:19:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2002 03:19:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2002 03:19:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2002 03:19:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 03:19:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Why? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 445 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.170 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Thanks JS...I looked > Oh yea I forgot. Make sure you observe the polarity on the .33uf caps. If the circuit already has .33 then don't replace them but if you need to check the voltages on the existing caps so you don't insert them correctly. If the radio is DTR then I suggest replacing all components attached to pins 11-14 with what is shown in my schematic. JSG From jsgil@hal-pc.org Mon Apr 01 19:24:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 Apr 2002 03:24:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 234 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2002 03:24:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2002 03:24:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2002 03:24:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2002 03:24:24 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 03:24:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Why? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 289 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.170 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "jsgilst" wrote: > >If the circuit already has .33 then don't replace them but > if you need to check the voltages on the existing caps so you > don't insert them correctly. > Sorry, I misspelled, it should be incorrectly not correctly. > JSG From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Apr 01 19:29:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 Apr 2002 03:29:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 60190 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2002 03:29:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2002 03:29:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO boron.vcn.com) (209.193.72.5) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2002 03:29:07 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.52]) by boron.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 20:29:07 -0700 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Why? Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 20:29:01 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks again JS... Looks like I've got some tinkering to do :) -----Original Message----- From: jsgilst [mailto:jsgil@hal-pc.org] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 8:20 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Why? --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Thanks JS...I looked > Oh yea I forgot. Make sure you observe the polarity on the .33uf caps. If the circuit already has .33 then don't replace them but if you need to check the voltages on the existing caps so you don't insert them correctly. If the radio is DTR then I suggest replacing all components attached to pins 11-14 with what is shown in my schematic. JSG Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Apr 01 19:35:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 Apr 2002 03:35:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 11013 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2002 03:35:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2002 03:35:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO boron.vcn.com) (209.193.72.5) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2002 03:35:30 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.52]) by boron.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 20:35:30 -0700 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Why? Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 20:35:24 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well the voltage at pin 4 is 2.5 volts. So it looks like there's plenty of signal getting there. Almost as if there is some sort of problem where it doesn't know what 25hz is or something. Interestingly enough, when I tune into local KEVA 1240.....which is NOT stereo...not nearly.... it pops on for sometimes 10 seconds.....then it'll go off. I worked at KEVA for 10 years. I know there's no stereo there or any kind of pilot. But then again....we had (and still do) some filter caps that are dying in the processing....so there's a little "hum" in the signal. Is it possible the marantz is listening for a 26hz tone or something like that? That it doesn't know exactly what to listen for? Electrolytic caps that are flat? Hmmmmmmmmm...... Thanks Michael [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Apr 01 19:54:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 Apr 2002 03:54:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 26310 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2002 03:54:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2002 03:54:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2002 03:54:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2002 03:54:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 03:54:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Why? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 613 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.130 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Almost as if there is some sort of problem where it doesn't know > what 25hz is or something. Are you sure your transmitter is putting out a pilot tone of the proper frequency? If you twiddled with the trim-pot on the board that is closest to the power-on LED, that controls the frequency of the pilot tone being generated. It takes fancy equipment to make sure it is set to exactly 25.0000 Hz, but if you have a bunch of AM Stereo radios on hand, you could just fiddle with it until you get it so that all of the radios lock onto the Stereo signal as quickly as possible (and remain locked onto it). From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Apr 01 20:04:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 Apr 2002 04:04:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 40339 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2002 04:04:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2002 04:04:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO boron.vcn.com) (209.193.72.5) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2002 04:04:05 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.73]) by boron.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 21:04:05 -0700 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Why? Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 21:03:59 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin Yeah...that's what I've been doing. I have 3 of them in here now....A Delco UX-1, my Marantz, and also my Aiwa walkman. My SRF-42 is here too....although that's irrelevant since it doesn't use a pilot. But the other two lock on just fine. Yes, I thought of that...that maybe it wasn't exactly 25hz. But I think I've got it pretty much centered. The marantz is just too damn picky. MJR -----Original Message----- From: kevtronics [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 8:54 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Why? > Almost as if there is some sort of problem where it doesn't know > what 25hz is or something. Are you sure your transmitter is putting out a pilot tone of the proper frequency? If you twiddled with the trim-pot on the board that is closest to the power-on LED, that controls the frequency of the pilot tone being generated. It takes fancy equipment to make sure it is set to exactly 25.0000 Hz, but if you have a bunch of AM Stereo radios on hand, you could just fiddle with it until you get it so that all of the radios lock onto the Stereo signal as quickly as possible (and remain locked onto it). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@csiro.au Mon Apr 01 20:38:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 Apr 2002 04:38:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 60435 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2002 04:38:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2002 04:38:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2002 04:38:33 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00567 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 14:38:30 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 14:38:30 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Australian AM Stereo Tuner In-Reply-To: <20020401182445.65473.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, Johnny Electron wrote: > Hey Ian and folks down in Oz: > Here's one just for you guys: It has 9KHz spacing and the mains are > 240VAC, so we can't use it in the states. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1342748594 Thanks Johnny / 3MP-Dave / Matt H !!! Please help an innocent virgin (of the ebay variety). OOOOOpps! I've made a bid on this and was immediately outbid - bumping the price up to $1 more than my max bid. Was this stupid ... or was this stupid? ... bumping the price up $6 instead of the $1 that it implied. Is the secret just to come in at the last minute with $1 extra bids till it goes off??? Is anyone else here interested in it? I think it's the same as mine - which was only sold in Oz and Canada - Alex K has one the same too. Funnily enough the seller only lives a few miles away. (Hey - notice it's set to 1377 3MP - which should be back in stereo soon.) Ian From smpoole7@bellsouth.net Mon Apr 01 21:11:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: smpoole7@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 Apr 2002 05:11:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 92558 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2002 05:11:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2002 05:11:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2002 05:11:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2002 05:11:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 05:11:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM-PDM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001d01c1d963$9dee14a0$defd92ca@mph> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2350 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "professorpoole" X-Originating-IP: 216.76.200.147 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25309165 X-Yahoo-Profile: professorpoole --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Christtijanto" wrote > But, I feel there is still a weakness for the vacuum tube PDM > system, there is a floating-high-voltage-joint between the PDM > and the RF Amplifier ... As Scott said, you can solve the metering problem by mounting it on insulators inside the cabinet behind a thick sheet of plexiglass so that the operators can't touch it. You can measure the current in the return of the high voltage supply. A bigger problem, IMHO, is the high voltage potential on the filament transformer for the modulator tube. You'd better make darned sure that it's designed to withstand it. When these transformers let go, it can be spectacular. I had the door open on a Continental 5KW several years ago when it happened to me. After I changed my drawers, I was blinking afterimages out of my eyes for some time ... :) > My friend talks about Ampliphase, he suggest to study this technique > although there are many negative opinions on it. What do you think ? Again, referring to Scott, Ampliphase is one of those things that's great in theory, useable in practice -- PROVIDED you take the time to tweak and tune everything. If you want my personal opinion, you really ought to consider a solid-state design, or if you really want to reuse the old components, I'd stick with good old plate modulation. Simply improve THAT. If you're using 813's, I'm guessing that it's a 250W (or less) transmitter; right? That's really not much power, and I don't know if you can cost-justify the PDM modification against the savings in your electric bill. The tubes are still going to wear out, too, so there's no savings there, either. But if you really want to go that route, Peter Dahl (http://www.pwdahl.com) can custom-wind a transformer, if you want to change the tubes or even go to a solid-state modulator. I'd replace the mod reactor with a larger unit, too. The stock units usually don't provide an adequate working impedance below 100hz. I did this for an old Gates BC-1G once; I not only used Dahl transformer, I replaced the stock tube driver with a solid-state design that took its feedback from the cathodes of the modulators. Not only did this make the bias self-correcting, the results had to be heard to be appreciated. No more muddy bass! Ah, those were the days ... :) From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Apr 01 21:24:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 Apr 2002 05:24:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 95764 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2002 05:24:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2002 05:24:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2002 05:24:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2002 05:24:14 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 05:24:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM-PDM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 427 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.130 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Not only did this make the bias self-correcting, the results had to > be heard to be appreciated. No more muddy bass! 50,000-watt 1140 WRVA in Richmond, VA should take your advice. They have the muddiest bass I've ever heard from an AM station of their size. It sounds like an old guitar amplifier with worn-out tubes. Doesn't the NRSC spec include a maximum distortion level that stations are supposed to abide by? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Apr 01 21:35:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 Apr 2002 05:35:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 65493 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2002 05:35:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2002 05:35:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2002 05:35:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2002 05:35:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 05:35:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Australian AM Stereo Tuner Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1119 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.130 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > OOOOOpps! I've made a bid on this and was immediately outbid - > bumping the price up to $1 more than my max bid. No, that is common. In fact you should keep catiously increasing your bid until you either exceed the maximum bid the other bidder has placed on it, or until the price gets too high for your liking. This locks in your bid, and if you don't win, it at least means that your "competition" had increased the price the seller is going to get. And we want these AM Stereo tuners to be valuable, right? Of course we all like a good bargain, but if people see a monetary reflection of how valuable this type of AM Stereo equipment is to us, they would be less likely to let the AM Stereo equipment they do have be ignored or even get thrown away. Anyway, regarding Aussie AM Stereo radios, I've heard that around the time of the debut of "Stereo AM" (as it was officially called) in 1985, *all* Voxon home and car radios featured AM Stereo. I haven't heard much of anything about the brand Voxon, but if do you happen to find a radio by them, there is a very good chance it has AM Stereo. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Apr 01 21:41:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 Apr 2002 05:41:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 92281 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2002 05:41:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2002 05:41:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2002 05:41:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2002 05:41:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 05:41:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Kiwi AM Stereo Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 554 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.130 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I've heard conflicting reports on this and I'm wondering if anybody knows for sure what AM Stereo system was used in New Zealand. I've heard that 1332 1XI "Radio i" (Auckland, NZ) broadcast in Harris AM Stereo, and even that New Zealand approved Harris as their official AM Stereo system, instead of C-Quam. Anybody know for sure? There are some recordings of "Radio i" in AM Stereo from 1984 that have been on the Internet, but these were recorded from the Sony ST-JX220A multi-system tuner and there is no indication of what system was used. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Mon Apr 01 22:30:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 Apr 2002 06:30:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 89424 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2002 06:30:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2002 06:30:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2002 06:30:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2002 06:30:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 06:30:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Why? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1085 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.139 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Well the voltage at pin 4 is 2.5 volts. So it looks like there's plenty of > signal getting there. > Almost as if there is some sort of problem where it doesn't know what 25hz > is or something. Interestingly enough, when I tune into local KEVA > 1240.....which is NOT stereo...not nearly.... it pops on for sometimes 10 > seconds.....then it'll go off. I worked at KEVA for 10 years. I know > there's no stereo there or any kind of pilot. But then again....we had (and > still do) some filter caps that are dying in the processing....so there's a > little "hum" in the signal. Is it possible the marantz is listening for a > 26hz tone or something like that? That it doesn't know exactly what to > listen for? Electrolytic caps that are flat? Hmmmmmmmmm...... > > Thanks > Michael > > > If there are electrolytics in the 25Hz bandpass filter and they are old enough one (or both) could go bad and cause the pilot circuit to fail. Worse case is that the chip is bad (unlikely but possible). JSG From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Mon Apr 01 23:29:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 Apr 2002 07:29:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 75594 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2002 07:29:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2002 07:29:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2002 07:29:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2002 07:29:00 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 07:28:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Sony Tuners worth? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1489 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.154.119.145 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 What are the Sony ST-JX220A and ST-JX520A worth? The 220A currently has already had 11 bids and is rapidly increasing. About a few months ago a 520A went for something like $50 U.S. I lost in the bidding war but a few days later I found a 220A being sold privately on a web site after some extensive web searching. I got it for $60 Canadian plus $20 for shipping. It's in mint condition but the LCD lamp has burnt out. I have been successful in locating a replacement but I have yet to buy a sauntering gun. I also found a Sony STR-AV770 Home Tuner but the store is asking a ridiculous $100 for it. Are the Sonys considered to be good AM [Stereo] performers? I have found it excellent and the reception is on par with my vintage Realistic AM/FM Receiver circa 1984. It's a mile ahead of my TEAC Home Theatre receiver although this has a much better tuner than my previous JVC and Phillips units. The thing I have noticed with the Sony is that the loop antenna has to be directly on top of the unit. As soon as I move it away buzzing and noise takes over the signal. I find the 220A to be much more attractive than the 520A. The 220A blends nicely with my TEAC Home Theatre Receiver, Pioneer DVD, Pioneer LD, TEAC CD, Phillips VCR and Zeneth 27" TV. I find it amazing that such an old component has held up so well in both looks and performance. I have always though that Sony products were overpriced POS but this tuner has pleasantly suprised me. It's my new baby!!! From crrf@bdg.centrin.net.id Tue Apr 02 01:00:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: crrf@bdg.centrin.net.id X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 Apr 2002 09:00:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 81499 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2002 09:00:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2002 09:00:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bdg.centrin.net.id) (202.146.253.3) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2002 09:00:54 -0000 Received: from mph (DialupBdg228-175.centrin.net.id [202.146.228.175]) by bdg.centrin.net.id (8.11.5/8.11.5) with SMTP id g3290lv21921 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 16:00:48 +0700 Message-ID: <001001c1da00$c96fff60$afe492ca@mph> To: References: <3C9EFB64.9009.5E17B3@localhost> <001e01c1d578$6240f2e0$d8f592ca@mph> <00f701c1d78d$e89935c0$d3a9fea9@me> <001d01c1d963$9dee14a0$defd92ca@mph> <002301c1d9ee$4ca96be0$d3a9fea9@me> Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM-PDM Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 10:45:35 +0700 Organization: CR Engineering MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 From: "Christtijanto" Reply-To: "Christtijanto" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107619901 X-Yahoo-Profile: christtijanto ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 9:30 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM-PDM As for Ampliphase, forget it! It can be done, and I > remember the one we had at KSTP- an RCA 50G, which was a nice transmitter, > but you had to know what you were doing to get it to perform at its best, > and I never got a chance to learn how to tune it. If you still have the schematics and another archieve for the 50G (or his brothers), kindly please send them to me. Although it's obsolete, but it's still new for me, I like to know why many engineers 'don't like the Ampliphase'. I'd recommend a Doherty > system which uses separate carrier and peak tubes if you insist on re-using > what you already have. Most of your large Continental Electronics brand > transmitters used this modulation method, as did Western Electric before > them. I could scan and email an old WECo brochure on it if you desire. Sure, please scan and send them. > Otherwise I'd build a new solid state PDM transmitter from the AM Window > website. > I'll try to build one. AM Window is great resource. Thanks in advance. Christtijanto. From crrf@bdg.centrin.net.id Tue Apr 02 01:00:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: crrf@bdg.centrin.net.id X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 Apr 2002 09:00:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 67098 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2002 09:00:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2002 09:00:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bdg.centrin.net.id) (202.146.253.3) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2002 09:00:55 -0000 Received: from mph (DialupBdg228-175.centrin.net.id [202.146.228.175]) by bdg.centrin.net.id (8.11.5/8.11.5) with SMTP id g3290nv21930 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 16:00:49 +0700 Message-ID: <001101c1da00$ca3969e0$afe492ca@mph> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM-PDM Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 11:21:35 +0700 Organization: CR Engineering MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 From: "Christtijanto" Reply-To: "Christtijanto" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107619901 X-Yahoo-Profile: christtijanto > A bigger problem, IMHO, is the high voltage potential on the filament > transformer for the modulator tube. You'd better make darned sure that > it's designed to withstand it. > > When these transformers let go, it can be spectacular. I had the door > open on a Continental 5KW several years ago when it happened to me. > After I changed my drawers, I was blinking afterimages out of my eyes > for some time ... :) Yes, I afraid about that too. > > My friend talks about Ampliphase, he suggest to study this technique > > although there are many negative opinions on it. What do you think ? > > Again, referring to Scott, Ampliphase is one of those things that's > great in theory, useable in practice -- PROVIDED you take the time to > tweak and tune everything. > Perhaps I won't build the Ampliphase, but if you have any documents, schematics, block diagrams of this system, kindly please send them to me. I want to learn about it in my sparetime, just to 'understand' what they talk about 'headache' Ampliphase. > If you want my personal opinion, you really ought to consider a > solid-state design, or if you really want to reuse the old components, > I'd stick with good old plate modulation. Simply improve THAT. > > If you're using 813's, I'm guessing that it's a 250W (or less) > transmitter; right? That's really not much power, and I don't know if > you can cost-justify the PDM modification against the savings in your > electric bill. The tubes are still going to wear out, too, so there's > no savings there, either. > Thanks for your opinions. I'll try building a solid state one. I'll start by building a 'class E' RF amplifier, but I still get confused by the difference between class C and E. Ones said that class E limit the peak voltage on the drain to 3.7 time the Vcc and there is no need accurate matching circuit on the input of the class E. Can you add another infos ? > But if you really want to go that route, Peter Dahl > (http://www.pwdahl.com) can custom-wind a transformer, if you want to > change the tubes or even go to a solid-state modulator. I'd replace > the mod reactor with a larger unit, too. The stock units usually don't > provide an adequate working impedance below 100hz. > > I did this for an old Gates BC-1G once; I not only used Dahl > transformer, I replaced the stock tube driver with a solid-state > design that took its feedback from the cathodes of the modulators. Not > only did this make the bias self-correcting, the results had to be > heard to be appreciated. No more muddy bass! > Do you add a cathode resistor on the final modulator tube so there is a self correcting DC bias, and use the audio signal on this cathode resistor as a negative feedback to preeceding stage ? Great idea. Christtijanto. From amfmdx@fastq.com Tue Apr 02 06:42:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 Apr 2002 14:42:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 17280 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2002 14:42:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2002 14:42:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2002 14:42:54 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d15-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.47]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g32Egrn26043 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 07:42:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <000701c1da54$9bd01d20$2ff9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony Tuners worth? Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 07:42:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 > I have > always though that Sony products were overpriced POS but this tuner > has pleasantly suprised me. It's my new baby!!! I have found the opposite to be true. I have found Sony not to be the ultimate in audiophile equipment, I have found Sony to be good to very good, very reliable, moderately priced and well made. I can tell you that Sony has made some of the best known DXing radios and receivers known. If you are one of those types with your nose so high in the air that when it rains you will drown, then Sony isn't for you. If you want equipment that does an above average job and runs a long time, then Sony will do what you want. I have to support them for one other thing. They have supported AM stereo longer than just about anyone I can think of. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From amfmdx@fastq.com Tue Apr 02 07:25:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 Apr 2002 15:25:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 75884 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2002 15:25:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2002 15:25:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2002 15:25:17 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d15-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.47]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g32FPGn27116 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 08:25:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <003901c1da5a$86e5bf40$2ff9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: AM stereo page corrections. Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 08:24:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 > Thanks to the help of Ben Lennard, "The AM STEREO Web Site" (as it is > now officially called) is back on line Kevin, On the Stations page, "AM Stereo Stations in the United Stated of America", check the spelling of "States". In the page with the AZ stations, KTNN is NO LONGER stereo and has not been for about three years. KUET, KSUN, are pilot, KAZM and KVWM are total stereo. In CA, KFMB no longer carries stereo. Confirm KAVT as stereo but pilot only. KFOX is stereo and with seperation. In WY KMER and KKWY are DEFINITELY in stereo now. In TX you can confirm KTBK as stereo. In OK confirm KGYN as stereo. In MT confirm KOFI as stereo. In CO no stereo on KOA. Thats the whole ball of wax that I know of. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From meridian3891@cs.com Tue Apr 02 08:10:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: meridian3891@cs.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 Apr 2002 16:10:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 92636 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2002 16:10:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2002 16:10:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2002 16:10:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2002 16:10:12 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 16:10:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: SONY ICF-2010 Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 429 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "onemeridian" X-Originating-IP: 205.166.36.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=48487815 X-Yahoo-Profile: onemeridian Does anybody have the modification for converting the SONY ICF-2010 to ISB (Kahn) AM Stereo? The modification on Alex's page mentions C- QUAM, and I am looking for ISB. This is because a few stations have experimented (& still do on occasion) with the ISB system. I contacted Steve Whitt & he said reprints of his books are unavailable. Tony KA3SVT From 1377.3mp@start.com.au Tue Apr 02 09:04:34 2002 Return-Path: <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Sender: 1377.3mp@start.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 Apr 2002 17:04:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 121 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2002 17:04:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2002 17:04:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2002 17:04:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2002 17:04:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 17:04:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} www.nrcdxas.org MP3 samples not available Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1297 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Originating-IP: 213.121.66.27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69495942 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Yes I also put them on a CDR. I have 135 files, is this what you have ? --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Downloaded all of them myself, and they're all on a CD now. :) > GLAD I DID! > > MJR > > -----Original Message----- > From: amstereofan [mailto:1377.3mp@s...] > Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 5:25 PM > To: amstereoforum@y... > Subject: Re: {AMSF} www.nrcdxas.org MP3 samples not available > > > --- In amstereoforum@y..., KC4QLP@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 4/1/02 6:11:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > 1377.3mp@s... writes: > > > > << The link http://www.nrcdxas.org/amstereo/ is un-available > tonight > > nortice. Is there a reason ? >> > > Yes...simple. > > It has been shut down as it was part of the Dennis league of > wantabe am > > stereo list operators. > > > > Good job I d/loaded the whole lot (450Mb plus) a few weeks ago then ! > > > > > Yahoo! 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Terms of Service. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jeffdeck@aol.com Tue Apr 02 09:12:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 Apr 2002 17:12:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 56431 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2002 17:12:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2002 17:12:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m10.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.165) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2002 17:12:15 -0000 Received: from Jeffdeck@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 9.18.1cd32d7a (26117); Tue, 2 Apr 2002 12:11:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <18.1cd32d7a.29db4045@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 12:11:33 EST Subject: Replies To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@bellsouth.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10560 From: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4430287 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Due to other life commitments, I will be available to reply to future list e-mail on weekends. >The truth is, thanks to radio stations that didn't care about AM >Stereo, and thanks to radio manufacturers that didn't care about >including AM Stereo technology, the 'masses' never really had a >chance to form an opinion one way or another with regards to AM >Stereo...The public was 'jerked', and many people never had the >chance to experience the wonderful sound of AM Stereo.....Today, >many, many people STILL don't know that AM Stereo exists...I >certainly don't think it's a matter of individuals saying "I just >don't like AM Stereo"...I haven't met such a person yet. We need to promote AM stereo on the streets of this world. Many people that I spoke to said that AM stereo broadcasting is simply not possible! Consumers need to drive the demand, and we need to promote the vehicle to them. >That only reinforces my points that the IBOC people face a huge >marketing challenge. If Motorola couldn't build public awareness >of AM stereo. . . . Motorola never offered any complete AM stereo tuners for the public. Rather, they chose to drive the transmission end with product at a loss so that they could recoup their investment via AM stereo IC chip sales. >There is ample proof that the 'marketplace war' was what did in >AM Stereo's chance to succeed in a large scale. Clearly this "marketplace war" caused consumer confusion. Consumers generally do not purchase electronics if they are confused, or feel that this purchase would become obsolete. > My two questions, first of all, do the really live up to all the > hype? Do they really cut through the noise? >The Select-A-Tenna works the best, but also costs the most. The >Terk AM Advantage works almost as good, costs less, looks more >stylish, and can work in both inductively coupled and direct- >connected mode. The Radio Shack version is the cheapest and also >works good, but not quite as good as the Terk or S-A-T. Radio Shack's 15-1853 antenna will add approximately 30dB to your received signal strength. It also raises the noise floor equally, though. I never noticed much performance differences between my $50 Terk AM Advantage and $30 Radio Shack passive loop antennas. Both can be easily and directly connected to tuners and receivers with AM external antenna connections. >My main worry is that it seems, from seeing the list of iBiquity >radio manufacturer partners, that the rollout of IBOC-capable >radios will begin with car radios....I would really like to see >them come out right from the start with at least a home component >tuner, but preferably a Walkman-type radio or a boombox... You will initially see an I-BOC marketing drive on the FM band, and perhaps not for the AM band. Per one WSMV television engineer, I-BOC cannot be received more than five miles from a 50kW AM radio station. There is still life in C-QuAM stereo broadcasting! >DirecTV Inc. has filed a lawsuit against New York-based WFAN >sports-radio personality Sid Rosenberg over comments the >direct-broadcast satellite company said he made over the air. >During a March 11 Imus in the Morning show with Don Imus, DirecTV >said, Rosenberg told Imus he had used an illegally modified >DirecTV access card and urged Imus to do likewise. >The company added that Rosenberg continued to boast about the >access card throughout the program. >Rosenberg's station is owned by CBS/Infinity Broadcasting Corp., >which is owned by Viacom Inc. DirecTV runs programming from >Viacom. CBS spokesman Dana McClintock said the issue is between >Sid Rosenberg and DirecTV. >'WFAN does not condone' signal theft, he added. >McClintock said Rosenberg will stay employed. It appears that the Big Apple lost another one as WFAN is in thrilling monaural, despite their high power transmitter repair. >Philips is planning to discontinue all home audio products, as >soon as possibly this next year. The most recent of their >boomboxes is not equipped with the EC05 module anymore, but >still convertable, none the less. Will Philips discontinue their boombox radio line? I saw many of these playing on Daytona beaches. >My thoughts on getting the product out, would be to contact a >company like Emerson, believe it or not, as they seem willing to >try new things- look at their wildly popular colored boomboxes- >they fly off the shelves! I thought that you said that you experienced some trouble with a few Emerson bookshelf systems. >Oh yea I forgot. If you are using one of Chris Cuff's converters >it has a 3.6MHz resonator for the PLL which divides down to 450KHz. >If you want to use a 455KHz ceramic filter you will need a 3.64MHz >resonator >Anote to all- my decoders with the MC13028 work fine with either >450 or 455 Kc IF's= No mods or caps needed. This chip has a >great pull-in range. There is no reason I could ever see to use >the 13020 anymore. CC My experimentation has shown using a 3.58MHz ceramic resonator, that the MC13028 AM stereo indicator will function using a 450kHz I.F however, one will not hear any stereo separation! Using this resonator, this decoder expects to see a 447.5kHz I.F which is 2.5kHz less than 450kHz. It is best to use L/C or resonator tuned to eight times the incoming I.F presented to the AM stereo decoder. Incidentally, this oscillator runs at eight times I.F to reduce phase noise. >The 13024 MUST use a coil type oscillator- they will not work >with a reasonator. When I started a project with these IC's in >1993, I talked a lot to Motorola about them, and they were very >quick to point out that the most successful designs will only be >acceptable using the "forced" mode. CC One must use an inductor/capacitor combination for the MC13024 PLL reference oscillator, as DC voltage continuity is needed through the coil to pin 22 of the MC13024 chip. >The MC13024 is very available overseas- there are probably over >100,000 available, in both standard DIP packages, as well as SMD. Chris, what is the price for 100 DIP MC13024 chips? >It appears Steve from Ontario, Oregon is going indefinitely off-line >in about 19 hours. Some seem to think that he waffled on a bit but >nobody could deny his commitment to the cause! I, for one, found >some of his messages funnier than Shane Filan's, Al Stewart's, and >Lennie Khan's even when bundled as a package. This was such a hoot on the other list. I guessed the true identity of Al Stewart some time ago. I heard that K-Tel was interested in this Al, Shane, Lennie promotion. >Well if IBOC radios are manufactured they will probably have nice >ceramic 6 element +/-15KHz Gaussian filters to utilize the 15KHz >mask. This would be perfect for a C-QuAM AMS conversion for the >analog section of the radios, a perfect solution for these radios >already in the market after IBOC has failed to be accepted by the >public on a large scale. Carver's TX-11a tuner uses one muRata +/-15kHz ceramic filter in its wide bandwidth mode, however I cannot DX any stations in this mode. It still sounds nice during these NRSC-1 days of AM broadcasting. You cannot simply replace the existing ceramic filters for the wideband variety, without also considering the existing bandwidth of previous and future stages of the radio. >the square clear variable tuning thing with the 4 screws on it. >I guess I'm not as clear how these work. I could find NO WHERE >any sort of filter that was anything like what I've seen in the >digital units. How do THESE work? IS there indeed some sort of >IF filter? Is it just because of the chip that is used? The >chip was a Philips TEA5570 chip. Do they use a series of caps >to narrow the bandwidth? Any ideas? Variable tuning capacitors and variable trimmers are encased in that square clear plastic part. This is an integral piece of the FM/AM front end. 15 years ago, AM ceramic filters were not frequently used in consumer radios. AM selectivity was accomplished by cascading several tuned I.F transformer stages, still practiced today inside the General Electric Super Radio 3 radio and Philips boomboxes. >but the signal coverage of low-power transmitters is not as good >on the low end of the AM band. Are you referring to "skywave" night or day coverage? >Also note that the "Stereo Preference" rule does not apply to >Mexican stations, which have a completely different process for >moving to the Expanded Band. I received several Spanish speaking stations on the extended AM band during my recent trip to Daytona Beach, Florida. This was quite interesting. I also received WTIR and WCNZ (ex-WMIB), though not as strong as in central Ohio a few evenings last year. WTEL (ex-WAWX) is in monaural. I never received WTAW with stereo pilot in central Ohio. >I think some North American radios may have been *equipped* to >use the TA8124 AM Stereo chip but have been sold to us missing >the AM Stereo circuitry. This has been noted with various >radios from Aiwa, Kenwood, etc. You can clearly see the space >on the board where the AM Stereo circuitry is supposed to go, >but the actual components are missing on North American models >because the folks back in Asia have been mistakenly told that >AM Stereo is only used in Japan and nowhere else. So they give >Japan the AM Stereo-equipped models and everywhere else gets >the mono-only models. You can add the Denon TU-1500RD tuner to this list. Space and traces are present on the P.C board for TA8124 chip. Designers incorrectly tied the chip's AM stereo pin trace to the LA3401 chip's FM stereo pin. As you know, TA8124 needs an inverter transistor to provide the correct logic to the microprocessor. Denon designers also tied one of the TA8124 tune LED pin trace to +Vcc. TU-1500RD does provide rapid FM RDS acquisition. >MuRata also has yellow colored ceramic filters. Thanks to your >tip, I figured out that the "50F" label on the Sony SRF-42's >filter is short for "-450F" with a 450 kHz IF frequency and the >"F" signifying a 6 kHz audio bandwidth. The SRF-42 then appears >to use special audio filtering to compensate for the NRSC pre- >emphasis and make the resulting audio response reasonably flat up >to about 9.2 kHz, then with a sharp drop-off above that point to >serve as a 10 kHz carrier whistle filter. In "Mono" mode, the >SRF-42 does not use the treble equalization so therefore it >sounds duller but the actual IF bandwidth is still the same. Sony's SRF-42 does not use any special audio filtering, including the 10kHz whistle filter. Their one ceramic filter and a few low pass capacitors accomplish this feat. Actual audio bandwidth is significantly less in the "AM mono" position due to a rather large capacitor (C36) placed inline with the "I" component. Sony also eliminates the FM stereo pilot tone and L-R subcarrier using a similar capacitor (C14) approach, that is switched "on" based upon insufficient received FM signal strength. >In my eight years of using it, CompuServe has always provided a >very reliable service, I have subscribed to AOL for eight years, and AOL now owns CompuServe. > This page lists WNZK 690/680 kHz in Dearborn Heights, MI as >being an AM Stereo station... anybody know if this is true? WNZK is not broadcasting C-QuAM stereo, although radios using the MC13020 and TA8124 chips will falsely trip into stereo mode. This is due to transmitter nonlinearities. Newer chips with the AM stereo "quality detector" usually do not falsely trip to stereo. WNZK was recently heard on 680kHz full time. Also, WPON in Walled Lake, Michigan apparently has transmitter nonlinearities, and trips the stereo indicator in these sets, as well. Sound is very, very distorted at this point. >While driving, has anybody else noticed that the new LED-type >traffic lights can cause a significant amount of AM radio >interference? I never noticed these new LED traffic lights. A similar concept is used for new tower FAA light designs. >Meanwhile if I come off of the IF output from the 1137N chip it >seems that it is just too darn loud or like it "overpowers" the >AMS decoder. Your LA1137 chip has a powerful I.F amplifier that will overdrive the MC13028 or TA8124 AM stereo chips. Serving as the third I.F amplifier, they were never designed for such high power I.F signal inputs. One digital-tuned Saturn car radio, using Sanyo LA1137 AM RF/IF/station detector chip, puts out more than one volt from the second internal I.F amplifier (I kid you not, this radio makes use of a 'hot' front end tuned R.F transistor amplifier and substantial AGC prior to the chip). As a result, this I.F. output is consistent from station to station, regardless of its received signal strength (automatic volume control, so to speak). This Saturn radio would probably not be a good candidate for the MC13028; I can couple I.F signal literally from the top of the DIP chip, without making any physical connection to this chip, and drive the TA8124 board into full stereo. And, the TA8124 detects as many stations (overnight, many in stereo) as the LA1137 from its mono A.F output. >what would you think of resubmitting the AM Receiver Standards >Petition? Nothing much came of it; do you think more signatures are >needed before the FCC can give this an NPRM number? First, you may wish to patronize your local friendly congressman or congresswoman. >Does anybody know what pin of the LA1135 is 'audio out'? I'm >hoping I can trace this pin to the AM/FM audio 'switch'. Pin 13 is the detected AM audio output pin on LA1135 chip. >AMS enthusiasts that we are, we still have to consider the TM 152 >wasn't a big seller, and any radio we make will have to have at >least AM and FM (if not satellite or E-147 for Europe.) Scott, initially AM-only stereo tuners should be fine. Remember that a 15-year old Realistic TM-152 in good condition sells for $100 on eBay auction site. Bryan Turner sold each for this price. >What are the Sony ST-JX220A and ST-JX520A worth? Whatever the fair market will bear. I uploaded TA8124 chip specification sheets to the Yahoo AM Stereo files section. Perhaps Koji can translate to English. My CFCO MP3 file can be found at http://musicandvideo.myftpsite.net/amstereo/files/stations/North-America/ Canada/Ontario/CFCO_3.mp3 Turks Island station on 530kHz is in monaural, as received in Daytona Beach Florida. I recently dissected the Denon TU-660 tuner. I wish to clear a few misconceptions concerning this tuner. First, it does not have any noise blanker or noise reduction feature on the AM band. Traces and space also do not exist on the P.C board for MC13022 chip (or any other AM stereo decoder chip). This tuner was manufactured in 1989, a few years prior to the Denon TU-680NAB introduction. There is a wide/ narrow band switch that chooses either +/-10kHz (wide) or +/-3kHz (narrow) muRata I.F ceramic filters. By comparison, the TU-680NAB selects different audio filters after the MC13022 chip. AM stereo indicator is 'locked out' in the TU-660's microprocessor, however it can be enabled via a quick modification using pull-up resistor connected to pin 15. FM section is identical to the TU-680NAB, with five gang FM front end R.F section. There are several important parts missing in the TU-660's AM section, such as second R.F tuned stage. TU-660 also does not properly conform to AMAX as the audio is routed through the FM deemphasis network. TU-680NAB also has two AM antenna inputs, and the TU-660 has one antenna input. TU-680 used the now discontinued LA1247 chip, and the TU-660 used the high performance LA1245 chip. I noticed that several Aiwa bookshelf stereos at Target were fixed into 9kHz AM channel stepping. How difficult is it to change this stepping in these Aiwa shelf systems? I recall that internal diodes were used to select AM stepping in earlier Aiwa digital tuned shelf systems. >I have always though that Sony products were overpriced POS but this >tuner has pleasantly suprised me. It's my new baby!!! Sony manufactures some very nice tuners, and supported AM stereo in four different formats for many years. I have the Sony ST-JX521 which was high quality tuner ten years ago. As soon as I deduce the microprocessor port to enable AM stereo indicator, I will modify it with a MC13028 stereo decoder. I also owned their ST-SA50ES tuner at one time, which incorporates their "world" microprocessor. Does anyone have schematic diagram service information for the Yamaha CRX-E150 and/or MCRE-150 receivers? >The 3.6MHz and 3.64MHz ceramic resonators are available at >Akihabara electric town in Tokyo. If you would like to get them, I >will buy them when I visit Tokyo next time. However, according to >Jeff, the two lead type resonators are discontinued. So, it's getting >hard to find them gradually now. MuRata discontinued their CSA two lead ceramic resonators. They were replaced with the three leg CST variety, that includes the built-in trimmer capacitors on the middle lead. Did you know that cutting the trace on pin 3 of TA2149 will eliminate monaural AM audio on pins 11 and 12? One can easily parallel the AM stereo audio outputs on these two pins. >Does anybody have the modification for converting the SONY >ICF-2010 to ISB (Kahn) AM Stereo? The modification on Alex's >page mentions C-QUAM, and I am looking for ISB. This is because >a few stations have experimented (& still do on occasion) with >the ISB system. I contacted Steve Whitt & he said reprints of >his books are unavailable. Since the ICF-2010 demodulates the LSB and USB simultaneously, it should be a simple matter to tap these outputs for left and right channel audio. LSB is left channel, and USB is the right channel. Alex's page has a contact person who should know the procedure. Additional matrix networks are needed for C-QuAM stereo decoder. >In the page with the AZ stations, KTNN is NO LONGER stereo and >has not been for about three years. KUET, KSUN, are pilot, KAZM >and KVWM are total stereo. Also, WKVX Wooster, Ohio discontinued stereo transmission quite some time ago. You can count the number of active Ohio AM stereo stations on one hand. >At least theoretically, an AM Stereo station could have the NRSC >10 kHz limit only applied to the L+R (mono) component, with the >L-R (stereo) component having whatever frequency response is >desired. Assuming there is no L+R/L-R crosstalk, this would not >cause any extra splatter on mono radios (as they are insensitive >to the phase modulated L-R component) and it would pass the NRSC >mask as long as only mono audio is being applied to the >transmitter during testing. And to make sure of that, the >station could "pretend" their Stereo STL isn't working on the >day of the FCC test and switch to a backup mono STL. AM stations must complete annual proofs of their transmission system, including left/right stereo response, if equipped. It is not desirable to "pretend" that your stereo S.T.L is not properly functioning if the FCC inspector knocks on your door. You put the AM station's license, your job, and reputation in jeopardy. If the L-R component has increased high frequency response, as compared to the L+R component, increased bandwidth L-R information will be heard out of phase on stereo receivers. Good engineering practice is to ensure reasonably flat responses in the L+R and L-R channels. Remember that there is typically little stereo separation found below 200Hz, due to the nondirectional acoustical characteristics. Motorola recommends a 200Hz high pass filter in receivers to remove any residual 25Hz pilot tone. This beacon can be heard quite well in my Sony MDR-P1 headphones from MC13028 decoder without the high pass filter, however none of my speaker monitors will reproduce the 25Hz tone in either audio channel. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From 1377.3mp@start.com.au Tue Apr 02 09:12:48 2002 Return-Path: <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Sender: 1377.3mp@start.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 Apr 2002 17:12:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 92425 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2002 17:12:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2002 17:12:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2002 17:12:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2002 17:12:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 17:12:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Australian AM Stereo Tuner Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1432 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Originating-IP: 213.121.66.27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69495942 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > > OOOOOpps! I've made a bid on this and was immediately outbid - > > bumping the price up to $1 more than my max bid. > > No, that is common. In fact you should keep catiously increasing your > bid until you either exceed the maximum bid the other bidder has > placed on it, or until the price gets too high for your liking. This > locks in your bid, and if you don't win, it at least means that your > "competition" had increased the price the seller is going to get. And > we want these AM Stereo tuners to be valuable, right? Of course we > all like a good bargain, but if people see a monetary reflection of > how valuable this type of AM Stereo equipment is to us, they would be > less likely to let the AM Stereo equipment they do have be ignored or > even get thrown away. Typing in Sony ST-JX220A in google groups came up with some interesting threads certainly the last one listed (51 posts) http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Sony+ST- JX220A+&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search > > Anyway, regarding Aussie AM Stereo radios, I've heard that around the > time of the debut of "Stereo AM" (as it was officially called) in > 1985, *all* Voxon home and car radios featured AM Stereo. I haven't > heard much of anything about the brand Voxon, but if do you happen to > find a radio by them, there is a very good chance it has AM Stereo. From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Tue Apr 02 09:29:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 Apr 2002 17:29:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 87274 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2002 17:29:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2002 17:29:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2002 17:29:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2002 17:29:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 17:29:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM stereo page corrections. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003901c1da5a$86e5bf40$2ff9bed8@kredding430cdt> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 938 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.151.133.37 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 Are there any other "pilot only" stations in your area? Thanks, Matt --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevin" wrote: > > > > Thanks to the help of Ben Lennard, "The AM STEREO Web Site" (as it is > > now officially called) is back on line > > Kevin, > > On the Stations page, "AM Stereo Stations in the United Stated of America", > check the spelling of "States". > > In the page with the AZ stations, KTNN is NO LONGER stereo and has not been > for about three years. KUET, KSUN, are pilot, KAZM and KVWM are total > stereo. > > In CA, KFMB no longer carries stereo. Confirm KAVT as stereo but pilot only. > KFOX is stereo and with seperation. > > In WY KMER and KKWY are DEFINITELY in stereo now. > > In TX you can confirm KTBK as stereo. > > In OK confirm KGYN as stereo. > > In MT confirm KOFI as stereo. > > In CO no stereo on KOA. > > Thats the whole ball of wax that I know of. > > Kevin > Mesa, Arizona From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Tue Apr 02 09:34:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 Apr 2002 17:34:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 69778 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2002 17:34:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2002 17:34:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2002 17:34:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2002 17:34:25 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 17:34:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony Tuners worth? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000701c1da54$9bd01d20$2ff9bed8@kredding430cdt> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1288 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.151.133.37 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 I wasn't being a snob. Whenever I go and compare receivers, TVs and DVD Players, the Sonys always tend to be much higher priced than Pioneer, Hitachi and such and you get much less in terms of features. And I was congratulating Sony, not putting them down. I said I was pleasantly suprised and I am. I love this tuner. The sensitivty is excellent. I only wish it had extended band. MattH --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevin" wrote: > > I have > > always though that Sony products were overpriced POS but this tuner > > has pleasantly suprised me. It's my new baby!!! > > I have found the opposite to be true. I have found Sony not to be the > ultimate in audiophile equipment, I have found Sony to be good to very good, > very reliable, moderately priced and well made. I can tell you that Sony has > made some of the best known DXing radios and receivers known. > > If you are one of those types with your nose so high in the air that when it > rains you will drown, then Sony isn't for you. If you want equipment that > does an above average job and runs a long time, then Sony will do what you > want. > > I have to support them for one other thing. They have supported AM stereo > longer than just about anyone I can think of. > > Kevin > Mesa, Arizona From amfmdx@fastq.com Tue Apr 02 09:42:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 Apr 2002 17:42:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 73745 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2002 17:42:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2002 17:42:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2002 17:42:11 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d15-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.47]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g32HgAn31559 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 10:42:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <009e01c1da6d$a41ae140$2ff9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Add a station /pilot only stations Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 10:41:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 > Are there any other "pilot only" stations in your area? Nope. There is one more full time stereo though in Tucson I forgot all about.... 1450 KTZR Tucson, AZ. They play Mexican music. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Apr 02 09:44:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 Apr 2002 17:44:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 84349 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2002 17:44:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2002 17:44:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO boron.vcn.com) (209.193.72.5) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2002 17:44:56 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.22]) by boron.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 10:44:56 -0700 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} www.nrcdxas.org MP3 samples not available Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 10:44:49 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's what I've got too. EVERYTHING in the 'stations' folder and all sub-folders. About 588MB or so? MJR -----Original Message----- From: amstereofan [mailto:1377.3mp@start.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 10:05 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} www.nrcdxas.org MP3 samples not available Yes I also put them on a CDR. I have 135 files, is this what you have ? --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Downloaded all of them myself, and they're all on a CD now. :) > GLAD I DID! > > MJR > > -----Original Message----- > From: amstereofan [mailto:1377.3mp@s...] > Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 5:25 PM > To: amstereoforum@y... > Subject: Re: {AMSF} www.nrcdxas.org MP3 samples not available > > > --- In amstereoforum@y..., KC4QLP@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 4/1/02 6:11:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > 1377.3mp@s... writes: > > > > << The link http://www.nrcdxas.org/amstereo/ is un-available > tonight > > nortice. Is there a reason ? >> > > Yes...simple. > > It has been shut down as it was part of the Dennis league of > wantabe am > > stereo list operators. > > > > Good job I d/loaded the whole lot (450Mb plus) a few weeks ago then ! > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Tue Apr 02 10:24:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 Apr 2002 18:24:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 59239 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2002 18:24:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2002 18:24:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2002 18:24:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2002 18:24:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 18:24:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Add a station /pilot only stations Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <009e01c1da6d$a41ae140$2ff9bed8@kredding430cdt> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 492 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.153.66.223 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 So the following have stopped sending out the pilot: Coolidge 1150 KCKY Pilot light only Marana 530 KSAZ Pilot light only Mesa 1310 KXAM Pilot light only Parker 1380 KLPZ Pilot light only Thanks, MattH --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevin" wrote: > > Are there any other "pilot only" stations in your area? > > Nope. > > There is one more full time stereo though in Tucson I forgot all about.... > > 1450 KTZR Tucson, AZ. They play Mexican music. > > Kevin > Mesa, Arizona From amfmdx@fastq.com Tue Apr 02 11:50:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 Apr 2002 19:50:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 9963 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2002 19:50:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2002 19:50:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2002 19:50:01 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d110-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.142]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g32Jnxn35259 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 12:49:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <001c01c1da7f$7bf5e9a0$2ff9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Add a station /pilot only stations Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 12:49:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 All are dark for stereo. 1310 got a craptacular new mono xmitter. The rest, they gave it up. Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: "matt_haw2000" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 11:24 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Add a station /pilot only stations > So the following have stopped sending out the pilot: > Coolidge 1150 KCKY Pilot light only > Marana 530 KSAZ Pilot light only > Mesa 1310 KXAM Pilot light only > Parker 1380 KLPZ Pilot light only > > Thanks, > MattH > > --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevin" wrote: > > > Are there any other "pilot only" stations in your area? > > > > Nope. > > > > There is one more full time stereo though in Tucson I forgot all > about.... > > > > 1450 KTZR Tucson, AZ. They play Mexican music. > > > > Kevin > > Mesa, Arizona > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Apr 02 13:19:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 Apr 2002 21:19:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 87230 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2002 21:19:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2002 21:19:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2002 21:19:58 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.64]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 16:20:34 -0500 Message-ID: <002301c1da8b$5be79ee0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony Tuners worth? Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 16:14:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 OK, now I have to jump in!... As I have worked for a Sony service center for 10 years now, I can honestly say that any Sony product made before 1993 is good quality. after that, things went down hill fast- today, there is not ONE Sony product I would recommend to anyone. The quality is just that bad. In all fairness, however, the same can be said for most equipment now. It is a joy to see an older model come in for repair!CC ----- Original Message ----- From: matt_haw2000 To: Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 12:34 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony Tuners worth? From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Tue Apr 02 13:47:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 Apr 2002 21:47:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 56166 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2002 21:47:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2002 21:47:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2002 21:47:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2002 21:47:29 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 21:47:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony Tuners worth? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002301c1da8b$5be79ee0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1244 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.166.178.80 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 Chris, what chipset is used in the ST-JX220A? I have never really been impressed with Sony products until I found this tuner. In a recent Sound & Vision Magazine test between a Sony, Pionner and Denon receviers the Sony came in dead last. The *real* power ratings were 31 watts per channel with 5 channels driven for the Sony. In comparison the Denon had 74 and the Pionner had 67. I tested my TEAC and it had a 80. But to be fair the TEAC is listed at 130 watts per channel (factory ratings) while the rest were listed at 100pc. Matt --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Christopher Cuff" wrote: > OK, now I have to jump in!... As I have worked for a Sony service center > for 10 years now, I can honestly say that any Sony product made before 1993 > is good quality. after that, things went down hill fast- today, there is not > ONE Sony product I would recommend to anyone. The quality is just that bad. > In all fairness, however, the same can be said for most equipment now. It is > a joy to see an older model come in for repair!CC > ----- Original Message ----- > From: matt_haw2000 > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 12:34 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony Tuners worth? From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Apr 02 13:49:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 Apr 2002 21:49:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 83020 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2002 21:49:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2002 21:49:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2002 21:49:10 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.64]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 16:49:46 -0500 Message-ID: <005d01c1da8f$702f2180$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <002301c1da8b$5be79ee0$0101a8c0@pavilion> Subject: Sansui SX1130 Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 16:43:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Well, I just got my SX1130- this was a Non working one off ebay, but hey, at only $10.95, I'll take it! It is sure impressive looking- Hope I can find out the problem without a schematic, but probably just a blown output. CC From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Apr 02 13:51:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 Apr 2002 21:51:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 67089 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2002 21:51:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2002 21:51:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2002 21:51:17 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.64]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 16:51:53 -0500 Message-ID: <006501c1da8f$bbd8a340$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony Tuners worth? Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 16:45:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I have never seen a Sony ams tuner! They never sold this one in the USA- only Canada and Australia, to my knowledge.. So... as to what chips it uses, I wish I knew! CC ----- Original Message ----- From: matt_haw2000 > Chris, what chipset is used in the ST-JX220A? > From Bossmsx@aol.com Tue Apr 02 13:57:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Bossmsx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 Apr 2002 21:57:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 9332 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2002 21:57:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2002 21:57:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2002 21:57:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2002 21:57:26 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 21:57:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sansui SX1130 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005d01c1da8f$702f2180$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 298 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bossmsx" X-Originating-IP: 152.75.227.58 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67853883 X-Yahoo-Profile: bossmsx Congratulations on your acquisition....If you get it to work, you'll probably love it....I know I love my TU-S77AMX, and I use it for airchecking AM Stereo (and FM) stations when I go on trips. Any clue on what the decoding system is for the SX-1130? Is it discrete like the TU-S77AMX? Tony S. From KC4QLP@aol.com Tue Apr 02 13:59:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 Apr 2002 21:59:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 86419 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2002 21:59:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2002 21:59:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r07.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.103) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2002 21:59:39 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.8.2402082a (3311) for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 16:59:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8.2402082a.29db83bd@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 16:59:25 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM-PDM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 4/2/02 12:24:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, kevtronics@yahoo.com writes: << 50,000-watt 1140 WRVA in Richmond, VA should take your advice. They have the muddiest bass I've ever heard from an AM station of their size. It sounds like an old guitar amplifier with worn-out tubes. Doesn't the NRSC spec include a maximum distortion level that stations are supposed to abide by? >> I just goes to show you that PD's and engineers with bad hearing shouldnt tamper with the audio processing. WRVA has been muddy sounding ever since Clear Channel grabbed up that station. {in WRVA's day and night-time coverage area} Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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It can be done, and I > remember the one we had at KSTP- an RCA 50G, which was a nice transmitter, > but you had to know what you were doing to get it to perform at its best, > and I never got a chance to learn how to tune it. If you still have the schematics and another archieve for the 50G (or his brothers), kindly please send them to me. Although it's obsolete, but it's still new for me, I like to know why many engineers 'don't like the Ampliphase'. >> Well for starters...if it wasnt tuned correctly you would splatter all over the band...and your audio and its quality would go to hades in a hand basket Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003901c1da5a$86e5bf40$2ff9bed8@kredding430cdt> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 169 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.137 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > In CA, KFMB no longer carries stereo. I've heard that every year they turn the Stereo on during their Christmas music special. I guess that's better than nothing! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Apr 02 14:46:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 Apr 2002 22:46:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 28313 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2002 22:46:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2002 22:46:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2002 22:46:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2002 22:46:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 22:46:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: SONY ICF-2010 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1113 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.137 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Does anybody have the modification for converting the SONY ICF-2010 > to ISB (Kahn) AM Stereo? The modification on Alex's page mentions > C-QUAM, and I am looking for ISB. This is because a few stations > have experimented (& still do on occasion) with the ISB system. The Sony ICF-2010, a.k.a. ICF-2001D, as well as the Grundig Satellit 500 and Satellit 700 radios, use the Sony CX857 chip for synchronous detection, which also happens to be half of the chip-set Sony uses for multi-system AM Stereo. The CX857 chip has a PLL to perform synchronous detection and then gives you matrixed audio output of L+R and L-R components, phased for Kahn/ISB reception. For AM Stereo, Sony added on a phase shift network to obtain the proper audio phasing for the Magnavox, Harris, and Motorola systems (not used for Kahn reception) and then a de-matrixer to provide individual Left and Right audio outputs. So, for ISB-type reception, you would not need the phase shift network chip. You would simply need a de-matrixing chip to convert the L+R and L-R outputs into individual Left and Right channels. From narkspud@hotmail.com Tue Apr 02 15:20:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 Apr 2002 23:20:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 5648 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2002 23:20:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2002 23:20:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.230) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2002 23:20:54 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 15:20:54 -0800 Received: from 67.89.146.146 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 23:20:54 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: 2 1/2 cents about AMS radios Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 15:20:54 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Apr 2002 23:20:54.0608 (UTC) FILETIME=[096F1500:01C1DA9D] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.89.146.146] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud Having a bit of a marketing/business background, I thought I'd jump in and pontificate briefly (?) on the recently discussed possibility of selling mass-produced radios, and a few other AMS-related topics. (1) Hobbyists may be fine with an AM-Stereo-Only radio. The public at large won't stand for it. FM capability is an absolute must if you plan to sell these things in any quantity to speak of. (2) AM Stereo stations are scarce enough that many customers won't be in range of one, or at least one that they'd want to listen to. It'd be better if these radios were marketed as having Superior AM Sound Quality ("in stereo where available") rather than putting all your eggs in the Stereo basket. So far as I know, no radios currently being sold in the US aggressively tout their AM sound quality. . .not even the Superadio III. We should try to target as big an unserved market as possible, and that includes Mono AM listeners. (3) Price will HAVE to be comparable to all the other consumer radios on the market. I think a "discount" brand (Emerson, Coby, JWin) might be especially interested in making such a radio, since it will create a differentiated product in a market segment where that isn't easy to do. (4) Enlist the assistance of those who have a BUSINESS interest in the success of high-quality AM: Motorola and other chip makers, broadcasters with AM Stereo stations (or with strong opposition to IBOC), manufacturers seeking an untapped market segment to exploit. (5) Decrying the lack of decent AM programming in the US is a noble and appropriate use of free speech. It is entirely beside the point in discussing getting people to buy radios. You sell radios to people who want to listen to what's on now, be that music, ESPN, Radio Disney or Dr. Laura. Convince them that these programs sound better on the Superior AM radio you're selling. Do not try to sell to a customer base that's small or doesn't exist in most markets (fans of the music on AM). (6) It's great that AM Stereo is still going strong in small markets, but from a business standpoint, that don't mean squat. If you sell a radio to everyone in listening range of the little Stereo 1000-watter in the wilds of Kansas, you still haven't broken even. From an equipment marketing standpoint, the large markets are all that matter. Concentrate your energies and your sales pitches on them and the small markets will follow. (7) Promotional radios are an excellent foot in the door. Let's say for example Disney wants to make a special hideous dayglow Disney radio to sell at Disneyland. Disney owns 2 AM Stereo stations in the LA Market--Radio Disney and KABC. So they might just consider it a good idea, if it's suggested to them, that their hideous dayglow Disney radio have AM Stereo capability. Or a religious station--what a great donation premium--an AM Stereo radio to listen to their station on! There are possibilities here, kids, especially if you have a manufacturer lined up to start churning the suckers out. OK. Dismounting high horse now. Back to the regularly scheduled list. narkspud _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Apr 02 16:28:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 3 Apr 2002 00:28:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 52586 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2002 00:28:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2002 00:28:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2002 00:28:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2002 00:28:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 00:28:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: SONY ICF-2010 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2353 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.130.28 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > > The CX857 chip has a PLL to perform synchronous detection and then > gives you matrixed audio output of L+R and L-R components, phased for > Kahn/ISB reception. For AM Stereo, Sony added on a phase shift > network to obtain the proper audio phasing for the Magnavox, Harris, > and Motorola systems (not used for Kahn reception) and then a > de-matrixer to provide individual Left and Right audio outputs. > > So, for ISB-type reception, you would not need the phase shift network > chip. You would simply need a de-matrixing chip to convert the L+R > and L-R outputs into individual Left and Right channels. I may be wrong but this sounds a bit backwards. If the CX857 chip has sync detectors for L+R (I @ 0deg) and L-R (Q @ 90deg) then it is just a QuAM receiver. I don't see why SONY would also add the audio phase shift network inside the chip which would comprise a matrix of resistors and capacitors to do Kahn filtering and then use another audio phase shift network outside the chip to convert it back. These audio phase shift networks have always been the extra cost factor for Kahn ISB and to have two sets seems ineffecient. It also reduces the separation the have the audio oputput of the chip phased for ISB and then have it unphased with a second network for the other 3 systems as the two networks will not do the phasing perfectly. It's like providing a function and then reomving it because you didn't want it in the first place introducing more noise and distortion that wasn't necessary to begin with. A linear ISB signal is just a QuAM signal with the L-R audio phase shifted by 90deg in relation to L+R before modulation. The decoding is the reverse. Detect as QuAM and provide the audio unphasing to convert the audio phased ISB back th QuAM. Now since the Kahn ISB system is non-linear the process is essentially the same except that the proper way is to use an envelope detector for L+R and apply partial demodulation to the envelope to remove distortion before obtaining the L-R @ 90deg with the Q sync detector. Decoding it with linear full synchronous detectors will not remove the distortion and will cause loss of separation not because of audio phasing issues but because the uncorrected distortion will show up in both channels. JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Apr 02 16:51:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 3 Apr 2002 00:51:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 38892 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2002 00:51:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2002 00:51:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2002 00:51:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2002 00:51:11 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 00:51:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Replies Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <18.1cd32d7a.29db4045@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5630 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.137 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Sony's SRF-42 does not use any special audio filtering, including > the 10kHz whistle filter. Their one ceramic filter and a few low > pass capacitors accomplish this feat. Actual audio bandwidth is > significantly less in the "AM mono" position due to a rather large > capacitor (C36) placed inline with the "I" component. I've done some testing with frequency sweeps through my Alfredo Lite transmitter and it seems the Sony SRF-42 uses *two* stages of low-pass filtering on its audio output. An F-code 6 kHz ceramic filter by itself has no trouble meeting the AMAX minimum of 6.5 kHz response for portable radios when combined with the NRSC pre-emphasis that stations use, but the problem is that because of the shape of the pre-emphasis, it will actually have *too much* mid-range treble to meet AMAX's tolerance of +1.5 dB / -3 dB across 50-6500 Hz. So what the SRF-42 does is use an audio filter to cut down the response in the 5500 to 8000 Hz range, in order to reduce the mid-treble peak and achieve a final response of exactly 50 to 6500 Hz at +1.5/-3 dB when tuned to a station using NRSC 75 uS pre-emphasis. Then, in order to provide the whistle filter (AMAX requires response to be at least -25 dB at 10 kHz to cut the whistle), it uses a second audio filter that starts dropping off rapidly above 8 kHz, again leading to the exact AMAX spec of -25 dB reduction at 10 kHz. As you say, it is really a rather simplistic arrangement: just a standard 6 kHz ceramic filter with a bunch of capacitors to manipulate the response. There is no reason why all portable radios could not use this type of circuitry to achieve AMAX compliant audio response with a minimum of cost and added components. For car radios and home tuners, it may take a bit more work to achieve the stricter 50-7500 Hz AMAX response, but that is still clearly possible, most likely with a 7.5 kHz ceramic filter like what Chrysler AMAX car radios use. Note that the NRSC 75 uS pre-emphasis curve is technically only required for AM Stereo stations in the USA, but most mono stations follow it as well. And in Canada (which actually made all of the NRSC standards mandatory long before the USA did), it is required for all stations, mono and Stereo. > Sony also eliminates the FM stereo pilot tone and L-R subcarrier > using a similar capacitor (C14) approach, that is switched "on" > based upon insufficient received FM signal strength. The annoying tendency of the SRF-42 to receive weaker stations in muffled Mono sound can be eliminated by simply crushing capacitor C14. It is a tiny surface-mount capacitor and crushing with the tip of a small screwdriver it is much simpler than desoldering it. With C14 gone, the FM Stereo blend is disabled, so all stations are received in full-response Stereo sound. This does not affect the AM section or the functioning of the "Tuning" LED in any manner. A very simple and effective mod if you ever care to listen to FM on a Sony SRF-42! > Newer chips with the AM stereo "quality detector" usually do not > falsely trip to stereo. The MC13022 and above have a so-called "noise immune" pilot tone detector which only respond to AM Stereo pilot tones in the range of 24.4 to 25.6 Hz. The FCC requires AM Stereo stations to have a pilot tone in the range of 24.9 to 25.1 Hz so unless a station's exciter is out of adjustment, this narrow tolerance is not a problem. > I recently dissected the Denon TU-660 tuner. I wish to clear a few > misconceptions concerning this tuner. First, it does not have any > noise blanker or noise reduction feature on the AM band. > TU-660 also does not properly conform to AMAX as the audio is routed > through the FM deemphasis network. I think Denon may have later introduced an updated version of the TU-660 tuner (circa 1993, along with the TU-680NAB) that was reengineered to meet mono AMAX specs. I have a feature listing for the TU-660 model (date unknown) and it specifically mentions "AM audio de-emphasis and noise filtering" along with the "Switchable Wide/Narrow audio filter bandwidth" (which is true because like the SRF-42, the Denons do not actually change *IF* bandwidth, only *audio* bandwidth through low-pass filtering). > Sony manufactures some very nice tuners, and supported AM stereo > in four different formats for many years. I have the Sony ST-JX521 > which was high quality tuner ten years ago. The Sonys were great tuners in their time, but these days the multi-system design is not very useful (especially on the models that require a 15 Hz pilot tone to activate Kahn/ISB mode), and they lack proper C-Quam decoding so you get higher distortion and less separation from AM Stereo music stations. However it would be easy to rectify that by simply adding one of Chris's MC13028 decoders to it which would give you the latest generation of C-Quam decoding. > Motorola recommends a 200Hz high pass filter in receivers to remove > any residual 25Hz pilot tone. Sony actually goofed up on many of their multi-system tuners by putting the low bass filter in the L-R audio component rather than the L+R component. This gives you weak bass with exaggerated distortion (especially in C-Quam and Harris). I can clearly hear this effect on my SRF-A100, because below a certain point, the bass is reproduced out-of-phase, indicating that it is being filtered from L+R but not from L-R. Flipping this around (so that the L-R is filtered while the L+R is not) would much improve the sound quality, but I haven't yet figured out how to do this mod to my SRF-A100. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Apr 02 17:03:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 3 Apr 2002 01:03:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 18558 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2002 01:03:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2002 01:03:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2002 01:03:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2002 01:03:54 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 01:03:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Add a station /pilot only stations Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 781 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.137 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > So the following have stopped sending out the pilot: > Coolidge 1150 KCKY Pilot light only > Marana 530 KSAZ Pilot light only > Mesa 1310 KXAM Pilot light only > Parker 1380 KLPZ Pilot light only None of those were on the AM Stereo stations listing to begin with, so no net loss.... although these stations should be contacted to see if they have any dusty old exciters lying around that they might be willing to sell, even if they don't know if it is working or not. (Just to emphasise: Even if a station has *never* put out any hint of true Stereo separation, it takes a fully functioning AM Stereo exciter just to generate the 25 Hz pilot tone, since it is transmitted in only the L-R component of the signal and therefore is itself a form of "Stereo separation".) From dav259@csiro.au Tue Apr 02 17:34:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 3 Apr 2002 01:34:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 76091 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2002 01:34:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2002 01:34:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2002 01:34:00 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16238 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:33:59 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:33:58 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: Positive words from Magic 693 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 12:12:40 +1000 From: Gary Hoffman G'day Ian, Thanks for your comments, although I have to tell you "I Only Want TO Be With You" is in stereo. I guess the problem is that when Dusty recorded it she was trying to re-create the Phil Spector "Wall Of Sound", and in doing that they didn't worry too much about separation. Anyway, that's as stereo as it's going to get. We carted up Matt Monro in stereo too. We got a CD dub from a contact in Sydney who had the original single - once again definately in stereo, but not huge separation. Good news! Our web site is well down the track and should be up and running in the near future - complete with the new Magic 693 logo. We are planning to have a "comments" form, and we are currently looking at other listener feedback options we may include. Regards, Gary Hoffman (Station Manager) -----Original Message----- From: Ian Davidson [mailto:dav259@csiro.au] Sent: Tuesday, 2 April 2002 8:28 PM To: ghoffman@magic693.com Subject: RE: AM Stereo stations in Australia (fwd) Hi Gary Thanks heaps for being true to your word. <> From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Apr 02 17:34:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 3 Apr 2002 01:34:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 61144 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2002 01:34:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2002 01:34:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2002 01:34:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2002 01:34:55 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 01:34:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WFAN Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 992 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.137 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I called WFAN again today to ask about their lack of Stereo for the past few weeks. The engineer I spoke with on the phone didn't know the exact reason why they haven't been in Stereo, but he assued me he would look into it. I mentioned the www.AMStereoRadio.com web site and we chatted for a little while about AM Stereo in general and he sounded genuinely supportive. He even mentioned that he has a Sony SRF-A100, and knows that a good number of domestic cars still come with AM Stereo radios. So if anybody else would like to ring up 660 WFAN in New York City and inquire about their current lack of a Stereo signal, their office number is (718) 706-7690. For the record, WFAN was first heard without Stereo on March 11th, and then the next weekend they went off the air at night to do transmitter work and afterwards magically reappeared in AM Stereo, but it only lasted a day or two until the transmitter had more problems and then since then WFAN has been in mono. From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Apr 02 17:45:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 3 Apr 2002 01:45:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 74910 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2002 01:45:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2002 01:45:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2002 01:45:45 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-118.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.118]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g331jHdj000191 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 19:45:18 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000901c1dab1$a63d8240$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why? Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 19:48:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Sounds like your transmitter needs to have the pilot level boosted. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael J. Richard To: > This really sucks :( This is a receiver manufactured to be AM stereo. Not > one that I put a decoder in. And I just don't understand why it's not > working. I can't beleive the MC13020P is THAT flakey of a chip. This is a > super strong clear signal it's getting from the Alfredo. Yet it just won't > kick in. From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Apr 02 17:51:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 3 Apr 2002 01:51:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 57902 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2002 01:51:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2002 01:51:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2002 01:51:20 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-118.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.118]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g331ordj000955 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 19:50:54 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <002701c1dab2$6ecac1a0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why? Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 19:54:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude If this thing is over 15 years old, it might not be a bad idea to shotgun replace all the lytics. I've done that with cassette decks and my home stereo. My personal recommendation: ALL lytics of 1u or less should be replaced by stacked film mylars. You'll never have to replace them again, and they'll give you better fidelity. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael J. Richard Is it possible the marantz is listening for a > 26hz tone or something like that? That it doesn't know exactly what to > listen for? Electrolytic caps that are flat? Hmmmmmmmmm...... > From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Apr 02 18:21:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 3 Apr 2002 02:21:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 66067 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2002 02:21:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2002 02:21:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO boron.vcn.com) (209.193.72.5) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2002 02:21:04 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.69]) by boron.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 19:21:04 -0700 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Why? Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 19:20:59 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <002701c1dab2$6ecac1a0$d3a9fea9@me> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott.. I was thinking the same thing. What could it hurt...and they're cheap. Yeah....this thing has no expanded band...and Chris might be able to guess better on the year than me....but still we're talking probably 86-88...somewhere in there that this thing was manufactured. So I know there may be some electrolytics that are flat. Used to do the same thing to cart machines and reel-to-reel machines when I did the engineering at the radio station. Usually it works wonders on old equipment, and solves problems you didn't even realize you had! Other than that I think the Alfredo is okay....it triggers on any and every other radio I've tried it on. Including driving in the car 2 blocks away :) My antenna output connects to the cold water pipe....so all the way down the alley for about 2-3 blocks in either direction, you can hear it! Will keep all posted. JSGilst sent me some circuit mods and different things to try to maybe get things working and a little more sensitive. This is a nice receiver. I'd like to get the AMS part working properly. MJR -----Original Message----- From: Scott Todd [mailto:stodd@sherbtel.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 6:54 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why? If this thing is over 15 years old, it might not be a bad idea to shotgun replace all the lytics. I've done that with cassette decks and my home stereo. My personal recommendation: ALL lytics of 1u or less should be replaced by stacked film mylars. You'll never have to replace them again, and they'll give you better fidelity. ST [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Apr 02 18:21:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 3 Apr 2002 02:21:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 48438 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2002 02:21:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2002 02:21:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2002 02:21:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2002 02:21:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 02:21:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Why? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002701c1dab2$6ecac1a0$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1334 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.130.111 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Scott Todd" wrote: > If this thing is over 15 years old, it might not be a bad idea to shotgun > replace all the lytics. I've done that with cassette decks and my home > stereo. My personal recommendation: ALL lytics of 1u or less should be > replaced by stacked film mylars. You'll never have to replace them again, > and they'll give you better fidelity. > > ST A 1uf mylar cap is quite large compared a 1uf lytic. I usually recomend using tantalums for 1uf to 47uf. They are extremely temperature stable and offer High Q/Low ESR. These can go bad also but if you're replacing them in a circuit that is already 15 years old the they will probably last the life of the device. Mylars are High Q/Low ESR also but they are not very temperature stable and if used in the the pilot tone circuit of the 13020 the temp drift may cause the BPF to drift away from 25 Hz enough that it won't detect the pilot. Mylars are great for all types of audio filtering where temp stability isn't that critical like EQ's or LP or HP filters but If you want to make a High Q 10KHz notch filter then you need something that is temp stable like polystyrenes. These are hard to find but are the BEST for audio filtering. The usually come in the ranges of .47uf all the way down into the pf range. JSG From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Apr 02 18:22:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 3 Apr 2002 02:22:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 51038 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2002 02:22:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2002 02:22:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2002 02:22:49 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-118.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.118]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g332MMdj005368 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 20:22:23 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <007501c1dab6$d4d338c0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM stereo page corrections. Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 20:25:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I seem to remember Darwin posting that they didn't do it last season. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics > > In CA, KFMB no longer carries stereo. > > I've heard that every year they turn the Stereo on during their > Christmas music special. I guess that's better than nothing! From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Apr 02 18:26:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 3 Apr 2002 02:26:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 95880 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2002 02:26:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2002 02:26:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2002 02:26:21 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-118.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.118]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g332Pqdj005904 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 20:25:54 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <007d01c1dab7$522dfb20$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <3C9EFB64.9009.5E17B3@localhost> <001e01c1d578$6240f2e0$d8f592ca@mph> <00f701c1d78d$e89935c0$d3a9fea9@me> <001d01c1d963$9dee14a0$defd92ca@mph> <002301c1d9ee$4ca96be0$d3a9fea9@me> <001001c1da00$c96fff60$afe492ca@mph> Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM-PDM Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 20:29:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Last I knew, that transmitter was shipped off to Argentina, and that was back in the mid 80s. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Christtijanto > If you still have the schematics and another archieve for the 50G (or his > brothers), kindly please send them to me. Although it's obsolete, but it's > still new for me, I like to know why many engineers 'don't like the > Ampliphase'. From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Apr 02 18:53:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 3 Apr 2002 02:53:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 43197 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2002 02:53:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2002 02:53:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2002 02:53:21 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-118.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.118]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g332qrdj009992 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 20:52:54 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00a801c1dabb$18481040$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 2 1/2 cents about AMS radios Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 20:56:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Thanks for reinforcing much of what I've been saying all along about producing AMS radios. The only point of divergence would be if we were to start small scale production ourselves should we be unable to convince a large manufacturer to produce them, we would have to start in the small markets instead of the large ones since that way we could keep up with the demand, and hopefully build our cash reserves to the point we could have them built by a contractor in larger quantities. I have never said this publicly on any list, but I feel the need to say it now. If we cannot start producing some sort of radio by mid-2003, I fear that the AMS cause will be lost. If we cannot or will not (somehow I think at least the will IS there) produce any sort of radio, I'll have to reevaluate whether or not it's even worth my time being on these lists, even as much as I love AMS. My time is getting so crunched I don't even get to read my email every day. IBOC is breathing down our necks, and chances are it will work on FM, but may prove to be unfeasable for AM. However, we'd be foolish to count on it being unworkable. This delay could give us time to give AMS a rebound that will make the general public yawn at the thought of low bit rate AM-IBOC, but that's only if we're able to produce radios in time. I've volunteered my time at no cost to assemble a large number of prototypes. Beyond that (unless I win some large sweepstakes), I'm not sure what else I can offer. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: . Narkspud > Having a bit of a marketing/business background, I thought I'd jump in and > pontificate briefly (?) on the recently discussed possibility of selling > mass-produced radios, and a few other AMS-related topics. From rjskadl@yahoo.com Tue Apr 02 20:53:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 3 Apr 2002 04:53:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 26216 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2002 04:53:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2002 04:53:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2002 04:53:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2002 04:53:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 04:53:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 2 1/2 cents about AMS radios Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00a801c1dabb$18481040$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 173 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl I would be willing to help assemble radios as well. The only thing is that someone is going to have to teach me how. My soldering techniques are a little rusty. -Russ From smpoole7@bellsouth.net Tue Apr 02 21:06:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: smpoole7@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 3 Apr 2002 05:06:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 15059 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2002 05:06:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2002 05:06:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2002 05:06:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2002 05:06:10 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 05:06:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM-PDM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001101c1da00$ca3969e0$afe492ca@mph> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4074 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "professorpoole" X-Originating-IP: 208.60.229.166 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25309165 X-Yahoo-Profile: professorpoole --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Christtijanto" wrote: > Perhaps I won't build the Ampliphase, but if you have any > documents ... I don't, sorry, but maybe someone here does. I've never actually had one in any station that I've ever maintained, for which I am eternally grateful.[g] The basic principle was simple in theory: you phase modulated the carrier to two different tubes, then combined the output. When the tubes were driven 180 degrees out of phase, you got perfect cancellation, or 100% negative modulation; when they were in phase, you got 100% positive modulation. (Needless to say, it's kindof difficult to get this to work with CQUAM.) > Thanks for your opinions. I'll try building a solid state one. > I'll start by building a 'class E' RF amplifier, but I still get > confused by the difference between class C and E. Class C is simply a linear amplifier that has been biased so that only the very peak of the input waveform drives the tube. Virtually all tube-type FM transmitters are nothing but giant class-C linears that amplify the low-level signal from the exciter. Most good solid-state AM transmitter designs now are some variant of PDM, or class D. I get confused at the other class designations, too; that's what Google searches are for. :) I'll give you this advice: learn the AM signal itself. Learn how it looks, how it acts and how it is decoded in the receiver. Then you can think outside the box and get creative. The bottom line, at the end of the day, is that you're varying the instantaneous power of your carrier up and down at the audio rate. HOW you do that is up to you. For example, why not develop the complete CQUAM AM signal at low level, use *THAT* complete signal to form PDM at, say, 10 times the carrier frequency? You'd then use that PDM to drive the tube grid directly. You'll have to filter the output carefully, but that'd be very efficient. Given that we're working up in the multi-gigahertz range nowdays, by comparison, the frequencies that we use in AM are only one step above audio.[g] Shoot, even the NTSC television signal has been digitized. If your carrier frequency is 1000khz (1 mhz), 10 times that is only 10 mhz. There are OPAMPS that will do that in their sleep nowdays. Be creative! :) > cathode bias resistor ... Yes and no. I put a resistor in the circuit, but only to develop a sample of the tube current (it was low value, about 10 ohms) -- not enough to develop a real degenerative voltage in relation to the grid. I tied that sample into an opamp's feedback loop, one opamp for each tube. Be warned, though, that there's a drawback to this. Strong negative feedback will correct for *phase* shifts, too -- if you can imagine the instantaneous voltage on the tube grid, let's say it suddenly swings positive. The modulation reactor and transformer resist this sudden change. At that instant, there's little negative feedback across the cathode resistor, because current hasn't started flowing yet. The opamp will (theoretically) go to infinite gain in that instant (in practice, I limited it to about 20db -- still significant!); it drives the living SNOT out of the grid until current finally starts flowing. What this did, of course, is shorten tube life. I eventually had to bypass the audio across the cathode resistors and just use the opamps for DC feedback -- ie, bias correction. A third opamp on the input took its AC feedback signal from the voltage divider. :) (While it worked, though, until I burnt up that first set of 833's, BOY did it sound great!![g]) Actually, if you're just looking to experiment and you're at the 250W level, I assume you have 4 813's, right? Why not just all four in parallel in class AB2 with a clear, pure solid-state generated RF signal into them? Yeah, the tubes will run hot, but who cares? You're spreading the load across 4 tubes. Put a fan on 'em and be done with it. Don't get me started. I love to tinker. :) Do a Google search on "ampliphase;" I bet that'll turn up something. From amfmdx@fastq.com Tue Apr 02 22:38:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 3 Apr 2002 06:38:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 2896 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2002 06:38:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2002 06:38:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2002 06:38:43 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d17-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.49]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g336cgn48140 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 23:38:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <009f01c1dada$2d4c8600$31f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Add a station /pilot only stations Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 23:38:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 > > Mesa 1310 KXAM Pilot light only > > None of those were on the AM Stereo stations listing to begin with, > so no net loss.... WWWWWWRRRRRRRRRROOOOONNNNNNGGGGG!!!! As long as Tom Green was the CE at KXAM 1310 the station was running C-QUAM. I wrote him, called him, begged him and even saw him in person to keep stereo. When he retired from KXAM the stereo went and a new mono transmitter came in and it was paid for by "Mars and Venus Radio." If nothing else, KXAM was in stereo for a long time. And again 1450 KTZR Tucson, AZ is definitely stereo. Kevin Mesa, Arizonaa From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Apr 02 23:03:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 3 Apr 2002 07:03:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 31460 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2002 07:03:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2002 07:03:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2002 07:03:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2002 07:03:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 07:03:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Add a station /pilot only stations Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <009f01c1dada$2d4c8600$31f9bed8@kredding430cdt> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 221 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.137 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > WWWWWWRRRRRRRRRROOOOONNNNNNGGGGG!!!! I meant that KXAM and the others were not included on the listing of AM Stereo stations to begin with, so this update did not require the deletion of any stations from the list. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Apr 02 23:27:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 3 Apr 2002 07:27:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 68412 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2002 07:27:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2002 07:27:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2002 07:27:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2002 07:27:36 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 07:27:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM-PDM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2010 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.135 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "professorpoole" wrote: > > I don't, sorry, but maybe someone here does. I've never actually had > one in any station that I've ever maintained, for which I am > eternally grateful.[g] > > The basic principle was simple in theory: you phase modulated the > carrier to two different tubes, then combined the output. When the > tubes were driven 180 degrees out of phase, you got perfect > cancellation, or 100% negative modulation; when they were in phase, > you got 100% positive modulation. > > (Needless to say, it's kindof difficult to get this to work with > CQUAM.) > Yea I can see where they got the name Ampliphase. What a nightmare! ;-) From your brief description and how I understand it is while one tube's phase was deviated in the positive direction the other tube's phase was deviated in the negative direction by an equal amount. When they summed together the phase canceled out. Now this could only occur properly when the amplitude output of both tubes were equal and the phase modulation applied to each tube was equal in opposite diredctions. All these conditions would have to be met in order for the phase to be 100% canceled out. If it wasn't the sidebands would continue on to infinity like any angle modulated signal. The worse the PM the greater the splatter. A far as C-QuAM goes you would need 2 passive phase modulators that would shift the phase of a signal in opposite directions. The input would either be a fixed chrystal oscilator for mono or the PM from the C-QuAM exciter. A third scheme and probably the biggest nightmare is to use 2 Ampliphase transmitters. Separate the C-QuAM signal into L*CosT and R*CosT and send these 2 signals to the 2 transmitters which are 90deg out phase of each other. Sum the output of both transmitters for the composite signal. Now this would be an impossible nightmare to get all 4 modulators aligned properly. Impossible! Don't try this at home! ;-) JSG From n0uiheric@aol.com Wed Apr 03 00:22:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 3 Apr 2002 08:22:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 93466 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2002 08:22:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2002 08:22:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r10.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.106) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2002 08:22:18 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.18d.5eb04e1 (4225) for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 03:22:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <18d.5eb04e1.29dc15b3@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 03:22:11 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Replies To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Jeff, I know an engineer at WSMV that can give you some insight. Doug Smith (W9WI) is also a well-known AM, FM and TV DXer. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From jsgil@hal-pc.org Wed Apr 03 00:59:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 3 Apr 2002 08:59:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 562 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2002 08:59:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2002 08:59:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2002 08:59:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2002 08:59:10 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 08:59:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Replies Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2472 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.135 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: An F-code 6 kHz ceramic filter by > itself has no trouble meeting the AMAX minimum of 6.5 kHz response for > portable radios when combined with the NRSC pre-emphasis that stations > use, but the problem is that because of the shape of the pre-emphasis, > it will actually have *too much* mid-range treble to meet AMAX's > tolerance of +1.5 dB / -3 dB across 50-6500 Hz. So what the SRF-42 > does is use an audio filter to cut down the response in the 5500 to > 8000 Hz range, in order to reduce the mid-treble peak and achieve a > final response of exactly 50 to 6500 Hz at +1.5/-3 dB when tuned to a > station using NRSC 75 uS pre-emphasis. > > Then, in order to provide the whistle filter (AMAX requires response > to be at least -25 dB at 10 kHz to cut the whistle), it uses a second > audio filter that starts dropping off rapidly above 8 kHz, again > leading to the exact AMAX spec of -25 dB reduction at 10 kHz. > > As you say, it is really a rather simplistic arrangement: just a > standard 6 kHz ceramic filter with a bunch of capacitors to manipulate > the response. There is no reason why all portable radios could not > use this type of circuitry to achieve AMAX compliant audio response > with a minimum of cost and added components. This is similar to an approach that I have thought of. Instead of using an RC network to implement the NRSC curve, use an EQ style band cut with the proper Q and cut so it attenuates the frequencies that are +db above the NRSC curve to the proper amount to flatten it out. For the signals above the corner frequency of the ceramic filter that are attenuated greater than what is compensated for by the NRSC pre-emphasis curve add a 2nd order Chebychev lowpass filter with a Q of 3 (+9.5db) or so to boost these for a flatter response in the 8-9KHz range before it starts to attenuate anything above that. With this LPF and the steep skirt of the filter the response will fall off rapidly. Whether or not 10KHz is will be at -25db or not I don't know. With a 25db suppression of the whistle this is not enough to make it inaudible and I would still want notch filters. The Chrysler radios have an RC 6 pin inline chip made by muRata that conains tuned components for a 10KHz notch. In the 13022 datasheet shows a TOKO part number for a similar device. If these are available and cheap it would be easy to add notch filters. JSG From badlhoch@hotmail.com Wed Apr 03 05:49:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: badlhoch@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 3 Apr 2002 13:49:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 92026 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2002 13:49:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2002 13:49:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.183) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2002 13:49:10 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 05:49:10 -0800 Received: from 136.1.1.33 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 13:49:10 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Sansui SX1130 Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 08:49:10 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2002 13:49:10.0516 (UTC) FILETIME=[5503CB40:01C1DB16] From: "Bill Adlhoch" X-Originating-IP: [136.1.1.33] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59104360 one thing that sucks about the 1130 is that there is muting circuitry or AM now i have heard it for FM before, but if you get an am station with a low signal or fluctuation, it will cut out....and it cant be defeated by pressing the am mono button a terrible unit for dxing... ----Original Message Follows---- From: "bossmsx" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Sansui SX1130 Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 21:57:25 -0000 Congratulations on your acquisition....If you get it to work, you'll probably love it....I know I love my TU-S77AMX, and I use it for airchecking AM Stereo (and FM) stations when I go on trips. Any clue on what the decoding system is for the SX-1130? Is it discrete like the TU-S77AMX? Tony S. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From smpoole7@bellsouth.net Wed Apr 03 06:17:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: smpoole7@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 3 Apr 2002 14:17:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 47098 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2002 14:17:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2002 14:17:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2002 14:17:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2002 14:17:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 14:17:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM-PDM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 554 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "professorpoole" X-Originating-IP: 209.214.106.139 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25309165 X-Yahoo-Profile: professorpoole --- In amstereoforum@y..., "jsgilst" wrote: > > A third scheme and probably the biggest nightmare is to use 2 > Ampliphase transmitters. Separate the C-QuAM signal into > L*CosT and R*CosT and send these 2 signals to the 2 transmitters > which are 90deg out phase of each other. Sum the output of both > transmitters for the composite signal. Now this would be an > impossible nightmare to get all 4 modulators aligned properly. > Impossible! Don't try this at home! ;-) > You have a twisted mind. I think I like you. :) From 1377.3mp@start.com.au Wed Apr 03 09:59:18 2002 Return-Path: <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Sender: 1377.3mp@start.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 3 Apr 2002 17:59:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 98849 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2002 17:59:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2002 17:59:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2002 17:59:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2002 17:59:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 17:59:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: FRance Bleu / TDF asking ME if stereo is back ?! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 206 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" <1377.3mp@start.com.au> X-Originating-IP: 213.121.70.206 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69495942 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Seems a bit odd that I'm being asked to check if separation is present ? Surely the enginner(s) have a suitable c-quam receiver to check ? I'm wondering if the FB situation will be a copy of 3MP's :-(( From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Apr 03 13:26:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 3 Apr 2002 21:26:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 60045 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2002 21:26:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2002 21:26:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2002 21:26:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2002 21:26:12 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 21:26:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Replies Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1529 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.75.28 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > This is similar to an approach that I have thought of. Instead of > using an RC network to implement the NRSC curve, use an EQ style > band cut with the proper Q and cut so it attenuates the frequencies > that are +db above the NRSC curve to the proper amount to flatten it > out. The only consequence of this is that Stereo separation is reduced quite a bit above the ceramic filter's stated bandwidth. For example, an MC13028 and MC13029 decoder chips with unrestricted bandwidth can provide greater than 37 dB of Stereo separation from 1 to 10 kHz -- an excellent figure that is wider than that of many FM Stereo tuners. However, when combined with a 6 kHz ceramic filter, the Stereo separation of the MC13028/MC13029 drops off quite a bit at high frequencies. At 6 kHz it is down to about 16 dB, and by 10 kHz, there is only about 6 dB of Stereo separation. The separation at lower frequencies is still enough to provide a subjectively wide Stereo image, but the "precision" of the Stereo sound is somewhat lost with the lack of high-frequency separation. However, I still think a 6 kHz ceramic filter with appropriate AMAX audio response shaping would be ideal for a cheap portable radio with fixed IF bandwidth (and a token "narrow" audio filter mode to meet AMAX specs). But obviously for a high-fidelity home tuner, it would be best to have a full 10 kHz filter for "wide" mode, and perhaps a 5 kHz filter to sharpen things up for DXing in "narrow" mode without totally killing audio fidelity. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Wed Apr 03 13:41:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 3 Apr 2002 21:41:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 75722 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2002 21:41:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2002 21:41:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2002 21:41:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2002 21:41:30 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 21:41:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: MC13024 Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 868 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.130.80 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst The MC13024 datasheet looks like it is preliminary and doesn't contain any info about its forced stereo feature. One of the diagrams shows switches associated with Pin 24 being connected to the 1V reference at Pin 15 but isn't documented. If operating in forced stereo does it defeat the blend feature. The PDF that was uploaded to the files section looks like it was scanned in and converted into PDF and doesn't look like it was created by Motorola. It's much slower on screen rewrites as I change pages than the ones I've downloaded from Motorola's site. I get the impression that it came from a separate 8.5"x11" version that Motorola would release when a new chip came out. I used to have one for the MC13020. One of the pages was intentionally left blank as if they planned to add more info later. I would sure like to get one that was the final release. JSG From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Apr 03 13:44:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 3 Apr 2002 21:44:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 44896 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2002 21:44:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2002 21:44:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2002 21:44:40 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.133]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:45:20 -0500 Message-ID: <002401c1db57$f95ddb40$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} MC13024 Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:39:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Motorola published a booklet on how to use the MC13024. It is a very detailed booklet, which I have. There are about 20 pages to it or so, but next time i get to Staples I can make a copy and send it to someone that has a PDF assembler. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: jsgilst To: Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 4:41 PM Subject: {AMSF} MC13024 > The MC13024 datasheet looks like it is preliminary > and doesn't contain any info about its forced stereo > feature. From n0uiheric@aol.com Wed Apr 03 14:03:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 3 Apr 2002 22:03:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 77904 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2002 22:03:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2002 22:03:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r10.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.106) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2002 22:03:52 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.17a.6338a52 (2520) for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 17:03:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <17a.6338a52.29dcd633@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 17:03:31 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Add a station /pilot only stations To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih KSAZ's frequency is 580, not 530. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Apr 03 16:51:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 4 Apr 2002 00:51:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 23658 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2002 00:51:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2002 00:51:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2002 00:51:28 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-166.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.166]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g340oxdj015798 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 18:51:01 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <003b01c1dade$e7af3a20$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why? Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 01:12:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Actually you'd be surprised how compact the stacked film caps are even at that value. They are a bit expensive, though. You can't get a 1u lytic in anything under 50v anyway, so there's a minimum size factor there. Will have to remember the part about using tantalums in the pilot detection portion of the circuit, however. Still, I'd never use them for audio coupling or bypass. I'd go with straight lytics or some sort of film cap as the audio is cleaner. ----- Original Message ----- From: jsgilst > A 1uf mylar cap is quite large compared a 1uf lytic. I usually > recomend using tantalums for 1uf to 47uf. From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Apr 03 17:08:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 4 Apr 2002 01:08:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 17769 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2002 01:08:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2002 01:08:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2002 01:08:00 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-166.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.166]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g3417Vdj018510 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 19:07:32 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <005701c1dae1$36b4cd40$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Replies Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 01:28:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I've been trying to find these for YEARS. I don't think they've ever been sold outside the OEM market. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: jsgilst > In the 13022 > datasheet shows a TOKO part number for a similar device. If these > are available and cheap it would be easy to add notch filters. From smpoole7@bellsouth.net Wed Apr 03 18:36:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: smpoole7@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 4 Apr 2002 02:36:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 42323 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2002 02:36:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2002 02:36:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2002 02:36:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2002 02:36:30 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 02:36:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 2 1/2 cents about AMS radios Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 737 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "professorpoole" X-Originating-IP: 209.214.108.67 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25309165 X-Yahoo-Profile: professorpoole --- In amstereoforum@y..., ". Narkspud" wrote: > ... pontificate briefly ... I agree with you, *if* AM Stereo is left to the marketplace. But if you want this buck engineer's honest opinion, I don't think it will work in reality. The only way AM Stereo is going to thrive is for the FCC to require it in receivers. FM (and especially FM stereo) languished until the FCC required it; so did UHF television. This is in spite of every promotional effort and slick programming trick dreamed up by broadcasters. So ... if you're asking me where the effort should be directed, there it is. Convince the FCC. That's gonna be a hard sell, of course; they (and the industry in general) are sold on digital techniques. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Apr 03 19:41:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 4 Apr 2002 03:41:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 23559 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2002 03:41:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2002 03:41:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2002 03:41:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2002 03:41:09 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 03:41:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 2 1/2 cents about AMS radios Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1903 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.75.28 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Convince the FCC. That's gonna be a hard sell, of course; they (and > the industry in general) are sold on digital techniques. Once the NRSC releases their tests results on IBOC to the FCC, it will be open to "public comment" before they make a decision. And that would be an ideal time for us to "comment"! But it won't take much convincing for them to reject IBOC on the AM band. They won't approve a system that doesn't work at night. And this is because of an inherent weakness in the IBOC system, not something that can be easily "tweaked". IBOC has already cut the bit-rate of the AM digital data in half to make it more "robust" against interference -- and adjacent-channel interference still kills it. It's currently at 48 kbps, delivering a Stereo digital audio bandwidth of 12 kHz, with barely acceptable quality. If they lower the bit-rate any more, it won't be enough for acceptable Stereo sound, and broadcasters won't see any advantage of spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on IBOC equipment just to transmit the same mono sound that most AM receivers have had for the past 80 years. And don't forget the 4.5 kHz audio response limitation on the analog portion of the signal, which will reduce 100% of a station's listeners to barely better than telephone quality. Lucent actually says that this limit can be manipulated up to 7 kHz to give slightly better analog sound, at the expense of reducing the digitial IBOC audio response down to 10 kHz --the same as that of analog AM and AM Stereo! The ShockWave audio demo for IBOC-AM on the "Ibiquity" web site (www.ibiquity.com) is demonstrating this 10 kHz-response version of the IBOC AM digital audio, and if you listen to it, it clearly sounds WORSE than regular analog AM Stereo. And no station is going to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to make themselves sound *worse* on the air! From OregonRex@aol.com Wed Apr 03 19:47:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: OregonRex@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 4 Apr 2002 03:47:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 1548 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2002 03:47:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2002 03:47:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r07.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.103) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2002 03:47:38 -0000 Received: from OregonRex@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.c6.9518765 (25914) for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 22:47:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 22:47:18 EST Subject: AM audio quality and bandwidth To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: OregonRex@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public For interesting discussion about AM audio quality, go to http://www.pdxradio.com/discus/index.html then click on Portland Radio folder, then look for thread: KXL's Audio ....., What do you think? From joen3wtv@yahoo.com Wed Apr 03 21:30:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: joen3wtv@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 4 Apr 2002 05:30:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 7490 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2002 05:30:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2002 05:30:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11706.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2002 05:30:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20020404053000.57638.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.170.170.24] by web11706.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 21:30:00 PST Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 21:30:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 2 1/2 cents about AMS radios To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: joe elias X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=35888484 X-Yahoo-Profile: joen3wtv someone correctme.but i think the whole issue should be left to the market place and not federal regulation.several years ago.i believe kahn had developed stereo .in my humble opinion.i thought it was a marvelous system.not being an engineer,but just an enduser,i liked it.the fcc in its infinite stupidity said no to the kahn system motorola c-quam will be the standar.i personally think that was the demise to am stereo.motorola has a way with its big bucks of lobbying and getting what it wants.case in point.im a ham radio operator.motorola would love to have portions of the 2 meter ,220mhz and 440 mhz, bands for their own uses.....joe --- professorpoole wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@y..., ". Narkspud" > wrote: > > ... pontificate briefly ... > > I agree with you, *if* AM Stereo is left to the > marketplace. But if > you want this buck engineer's honest opinion, I > don't think it will > work in reality. The only way AM Stereo is going to > thrive is for > the FCC to require it in receivers. > > FM (and especially FM stereo) languished until the > FCC required it; > so did UHF television. This is in spite of every > promotional effort > and slick programming trick dreamed up by > broadcasters. > > So ... if you're asking me where the effort should > be directed, > there it is. Convince the FCC. That's gonna be a > hard sell, of > course; they (and the industry in general) are sold > on digital > techniques. > > > ===== +++ PRAY THE ROSARY EVERYDAY +++ +++ O MARY CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN PRAY FOR US WHO HAVE RECOURSE TO THEE+++ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From rfinder@telusplanet.net Wed Apr 03 21:35:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rfinder@telusplanet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 4 Apr 2002 05:35:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 15937 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2002 05:35:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2002 05:35:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2002 05:35:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2002 05:35:24 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 05:35:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Awaiting reply from CFCW 790 Camrose, Alberta Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1193 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "i2thesky2001" X-Originating-IP: 142.59.49.245 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Had this message from CFCW...I will post any replies from the engineering dept. of this former AMS station Hi Richard, I have forwarded your e-mail on to our engineering department. Cheers, Larry Larry Donohue Assistant Program Director, Music Director, Web Developer, 790 CFCW 780-437-9220 larry@cfcw.com -----Original Message----- From: Richard Trueman [rfinder@telusplanet.net] Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 10:28 PM To: larry@cfcw.com Subject: AM STEREO Hi Larry! I live in Calgary, but grew up in Camrose and I used to listen to you on my Sony AM stereo radio. It has come to my attention that your engineering department has either turned off your C-Quam exciter or uninstalled it. Is it true your company has made a decision to cease broadcasting in AM Stereo? If so, how sad. There are a number of technicians, engineers and other AM stereo enthusiasts that would like to hear your "official corperate reply" on why CFCW is no longer in stereo. They would also like to purchase your C-quam exciter if it is still on the sales block. Please if you have time, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ Awaiting your reply, Richard From amfmdx@fastq.com Wed Apr 03 22:18:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 4 Apr 2002 06:18:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 6664 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2002 06:18:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2002 06:18:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2002 06:18:22 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d200-osel.phx.fastq.com [209.63.214.187]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g346ILn74139 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 23:18:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <004e01c1dba0$4c0daee0$bbd63fd1@kredding430cdt> To: Subject: Check this figure out... Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 23:16:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just read on the broadcast.net Radio Tech mail list that Sirius has 213, yeah, thats the figure given, 213 users. OUCH! Kevin Mesa, Arizona "I worry that the person who thought up Muzak may be thinking up something else." Lily Tomlin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Wed Apr 03 22:18:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 4 Apr 2002 06:18:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 7308 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2002 06:18:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2002 06:18:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2002 06:18:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2002 06:18:53 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 06:18:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: KYW in Stereo or Powerside? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 346 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.154.187.210 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 Tonight I got KYW with a solid pilot light. It sounds mono so are they using the Khan PowerSide exciter? I havea multi-system tuner. The pilot is strong and clear and it seems to not be the case like on 1510 where there are two 50,000 watt stations interfereing causing the pilot to trip because the sound doesn't sound wavy. Thanks, Matt H From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Wed Apr 03 22:21:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 4 Apr 2002 06:21:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 11684 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2002 06:21:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2002 06:21:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2002 06:21:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2002 06:21:45 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 06:21:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1560 NY Radio Disney Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 209 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.154.187.210 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 I wish they would turn the pilot back on. The station comes booming in every night with the signal strength as good as my 3 local mono craptacular stations. And they play modern music. Such a shame. Matt H From amfmdx@fastq.com Wed Apr 03 22:25:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 4 Apr 2002 06:25:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 21763 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2002 06:25:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2002 06:25:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2002 06:25:09 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d200-osel.phx.fastq.com [209.63.214.187]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g346P8n74190 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 23:25:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <006601c1dba1$3d7e75c0$bbd63fd1@kredding430cdt> To: References: <17a.6338a52.29dcd633@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Add a station /pilot only stations Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 23:23:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 This is correct. Kevin Mesa, Arizona ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:03 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Add a station /pilot only stations > KSAZ's frequency is 580, not 530. From joen3wtv@yahoo.com Thu Apr 04 04:55:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: joen3wtv@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 4 Apr 2002 12:55:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 17741 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2002 12:55:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2002 12:55:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11703.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2002 12:55:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20020404125550.79965.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.155.44.26] by web11703.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 04:55:50 PST Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 04:55:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1560 NY Radio Disney To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: joe elias X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=35888484 X-Yahoo-Profile: joen3wtv disney radio throws a heck of a signal down here into south carolina.....joe --- matt_haw2000 wrote: > I wish they would turn the pilot back on. The > station comes booming > in every night with the signal strength as good as > my 3 local mono > craptacular stations. And they play modern music. > Such a shame. > > Matt H > > ===== +++ PRAY THE ROSARY EVERYDAY +++ +++ O MARY CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN PRAY FOR US WHO HAVE RECOURSE TO THEE+++ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From philipr@irac.pe.ca Thu Apr 04 05:28:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 4 Apr 2002 13:27:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 94079 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2002 13:27:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2002 13:27:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2002 13:27:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2002 13:27:58 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 13:27:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Receiver Project Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2342 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Add my name to the list of people willing to assemble receivers WHEN we get this project off the ground. I am not an engineer or a technician, but a pretty experienced hobbyist [28 years I guess since I started at age 10]who has fairly recently got over his fear of SMT [but please, for the sake of all of us, try to keep the SMTs to the minimum necessary for good performance. And, I do have a scope - nothing exotic - just a 20 Mhz Kenwood but enough to keep me :) As well, I believe we could develop an instruction manual for a kit version too. It would be nice to market both kit and all assembled version. One possible initial marketing approach would be ebay. There is quite a bit of new stuff on ebay - a good way to get some initial exposure. By biding up, we could create some excitment. Just as old Zenith Transoceanics are cool - AM stereo is Cool too. [which reminds me - why am I bidding on another Z TO when the first one was such a turkey?] Maybe its because I want one that works! RE capacitors - Antique Electronic Supply is a good source for caps - mylar, polystrene and polypropeline metalized film, Sollen, Orange drops, Sprague Atom lytics etc. etc. Their site is www.tubesaremore.com if memory serves me correctly. 1560 Radio Disney - yes, I mourned the loss of WQXR, rejoiced with WQEW, then mourned again. Yet to RD's credit, they do play music on AM [although talk on AM can be OK when it has enough local - stereo talk has a potential few seem willing to explore - the sense of two or more people really talking in a room]. 1560 pounds in to NS and PEI - the epitomy of nightime skywave reception. Listening on occassion, I envision Brittney dancing with Mickey Mouse. We need to convince RD that given Mickey's two very prominent ears, stereo is a must and mono, well mono is just plain Goofy. To quote the great Bob Heskith - "The way I see it" P.S. Although they are both controlled by MBS Radio [think of a small, Canadian clone of Clear Channel]lately more stores in greater Charlottetown have 720 CHTN on, and less 93.1 Magic 93. While Magic 93 still clearly dominates with its "Lite Rock" a.k.a. bubble gum pop format, more people do seem to be tuning in to oldies on "TN". TN is a pretty good Eastern seaboard dx catch as well. Shame they are mono. From jwelton@nautel.com Thu Apr 04 05:31:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 4 Apr 2002 13:31:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 33060 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2002 13:31:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2002 13:31:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserver.nautel.com) (24.222.4.134) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2002 13:30:59 -0000 Received: FROM jeff-welton BY mailserver.nautel.com ; Thu Apr 04 09:31:57 2002 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 09:30:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why? Message-ID: <3CAC1D3A.17876.33C433@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <003b01c1dade$e7af3a20$d3a9fea9@me> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body From: "Jeff Welton" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 > You can't get a 1u lytic in anything under 50v anyway While I hate to argue with a customer (!), Newark's website shows 1uF capacitors as low as 16V, made by MCM ... and one of our pieces of equipment uses a 47000uF 25V elect. capacitor. Also, Digi-Key has 1uF, 35V axial electrolytics in stock. > Will have to remember the part about using tantalums in the pilot > detection portion of the circuit, however. One caveat here - any time you use a tantalum in a circuit, I'd recommend oversizing it by a minimum of 100%. I.e.- if it's connected to a 24V rail, use at least a 50V rated cap, preferably 75V, not 35. We've had a few issues where these caps didn't seem able to handle even half of their rated voltage in continuous use. You'll lose in size but gain bunches in reliability. Another option, if space is a premium, would be what we call, "teardrop tantalum" capacitors (AKA dipped tantalum) - again, keeping voltage rating in mind. Plastic caps work well - but not in high ambient temperatures. Scott, you'll notice 0.22uF plastics (or polystyrenes, depending on the issue of your PA's) on every power amplifier in your ND5. If your ambient room temp is anywhere near the top end of the transmitter's temp rating (50 deg. C at sea level) for extended periods of time, then the failure rate of these capacitors will increase dramatically. OTOH, plastic caps tend to be physically larger. Jeff Welton Nautel Customer Service Dept. Tel.: 1-902-823-3900 ext. 127 Fax: 1-902-823-3183 email: jwelton@nautel.com From joen3wtv@yahoo.com Thu Apr 04 05:46:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: joen3wtv@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 4 Apr 2002 13:46:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 68881 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2002 13:46:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2002 13:46:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11704.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2002 13:46:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20020404134625.1510.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.155.44.26] by web11704.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 05:46:25 PST Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 05:46:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Receiver Project [add me] To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: joe elias X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=35888484 X-Yahoo-Profile: joen3wtv its been awhile since ive built anything.put me on the list,if things get rolling.one question is anybody aware of a station broadcasting country music on 1060 khz.i logged this just at local sunset.the station quickly faded into kyw news radio .im located in south carolina.a pet peeve of mine broadcasters refuse to id themselves with call letters or locations....joe --- tubesareking wrote: > Add my name to the list of people willing to > assemble receivers WHEN > we get this project off the ground. I am not an > engineer or a > technician, but a pretty experienced hobbyist [28 > years I guess > since I started at age 10]who has fairly recently > got over his fear > of SMT [but please, for the sake of all of us, try > to keep the SMTs > to the minimum necessary for good performance. And, > I do have a > scope - nothing exotic - just a 20 Mhz Kenwood but > enough to keep > me :) > > As well, I believe we could develop an instruction > manual for a kit > version too. It would be nice to market both kit > and all assembled > version. > > One possible initial marketing approach would be > ebay. There is > quite a bit of new stuff on ebay - a good way to get > some initial > exposure. By biding up, we could create some > excitment. Just as > old Zenith Transoceanics are cool - AM stereo is > Cool too. [which > reminds me - why am I bidding on another Z TO when > the first one was > such a turkey?] Maybe its because I want one that > works! > > RE capacitors - Antique Electronic Supply is a good > source for caps - > mylar, polystrene and polypropeline metalized film, > Sollen, Orange > drops, Sprague Atom lytics etc. etc. Their site is > www.tubesaremore.com if memory serves me correctly. > > 1560 Radio Disney - yes, I mourned the loss of WQXR, > rejoiced with > WQEW, then mourned again. Yet to RD's credit, they > do play music on > AM [although talk on AM can be OK when it has enough > local - stereo > talk has a potential few seem willing to explore - > the sense of two > or more people really talking in a room]. 1560 > pounds in to NS and > PEI - the epitomy of nightime skywave reception. > Listening on > occassion, I envision Brittney dancing with Mickey > Mouse. We need to > convince RD that given Mickey's two very prominent > ears, stereo is a > must and mono, well mono is just plain Goofy. To > quote the great > Bob > Heskith - "The way I see it" > > P.S. Although they are both controlled by MBS Radio > [think of a > small, Canadian clone of Clear Channel]lately more > stores in greater > Charlottetown have 720 CHTN on, and less 93.1 Magic > 93. While Magic > 93 still clearly dominates with its "Lite Rock" > a.k.a. bubble gum > pop format, more people do seem to be tuning in to > oldies on "TN". > TN is a pretty good Eastern seaboard dx catch as > well. Shame they > are mono. > > > > ===== +++ PRAY THE ROSARY EVERYDAY +++ +++ O MARY CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN PRAY FOR US WHO HAVE RECOURSE TO THEE+++ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From mwradio@gmx.net Thu Apr 04 05:59:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mwradio@gmx.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 4 Apr 2002 13:59:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 94762 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2002 13:59:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2002 13:59:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.dnbsi.com) (207.229.108.169) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2002 13:59:25 -0000 Received: from espositojm2 (0-1pool156-116.nas1.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net [65.128.156.116]) by smtp.dnbsi.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E2A22CE20 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 05:59:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <007e01c1dbe0$e849ea40$06630780@espositojm2> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Receiver Project (C. Crane Company ?) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 08:59:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Joe Esposito" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=93604673 X-Yahoo-Profile: espositojm Has anyone contacted C. Crane about selling a AM STEREO Receiver? C. Crane seems to be the right place to sell such a product. They do work with Sangean to modify one of their radios and market it as the CCRadio, so you would think that having the capability of receiving AM Stereo would be a nice addition to what they call the best AM Radio. Joe E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "tubesareking" To: Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 8:27 AM Subject: {AMSF} Receiver Project > Add my name to the list of people willing to assemble receivers WHEN > we get this project off the ground. I am not an engineer or a > technician, but a pretty experienced hobbyist [28 years I guess > since I started at age 10]who has fairly recently got over his fear > of SMT [but please, for the sake of all of us, try to keep the SMTs > to the minimum necessary for good performance. And, I do have a > scope - nothing exotic - just a 20 Mhz Kenwood but enough to keep > me :) > > As well, I believe we could develop an instruction manual for a kit > version too. It would be nice to market both kit and all assembled > version. > > One possible initial marketing approach would be ebay. There is > quite a bit of new stuff on ebay - a good way to get some initial > exposure. By biding up, we could create some excitment. Just as > old Zenith Transoceanics are cool - AM stereo is Cool too. [which > reminds me - why am I bidding on another Z TO when the first one was > such a turkey?] Maybe its because I want one that works! > > RE capacitors - Antique Electronic Supply is a good source for caps - > mylar, polystrene and polypropeline metalized film, Sollen, Orange > drops, Sprague Atom lytics etc. etc. Their site is > www.tubesaremore.com if memory serves me correctly. > > 1560 Radio Disney - yes, I mourned the loss of WQXR, rejoiced with > WQEW, then mourned again. Yet to RD's credit, they do play music on > AM [although talk on AM can be OK when it has enough local - stereo > talk has a potential few seem willing to explore - the sense of two > or more people really talking in a room]. 1560 pounds in to NS and > PEI - the epitomy of nightime skywave reception. Listening on > occassion, I envision Brittney dancing with Mickey Mouse. We need to > convince RD that given Mickey's two very prominent ears, stereo is a > must and mono, well mono is just plain Goofy. To quote the great > Bob > Heskith - "The way I see it" > > P.S. Although they are both controlled by MBS Radio [think of a > small, Canadian clone of Clear Channel]lately more stores in greater > Charlottetown have 720 CHTN on, and less 93.1 Magic 93. While Magic > 93 still clearly dominates with its "Lite Rock" a.k.a. bubble gum > pop format, more people do seem to be tuning in to oldies on "TN". > TN is a pretty good Eastern seaboard dx catch as well. Shame they > are mono. > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From jwelton@nautel.com Thu Apr 04 06:09:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 4 Apr 2002 14:09:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 49519 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2002 14:09:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2002 14:09:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserver.nautel.com) (24.222.4.134) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2002 14:09:53 -0000 Received: FROM jeff-welton BY mailserver.nautel.com ; Thu Apr 04 10:10:50 2002 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 10:09:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Receiver Project [add me] Message-ID: <3CAC2658.5194.5760CB@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20020404134625.1510.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable Content-description: Mail message body From: "Jeff Welton" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 > aware of a station broadcasting country music on 1060 > khz.i logged this just at local sunset.the station > quickly faded into kyw news radio .im located in south > carolina. 100000watts.com (http://100kwatts.tmi.net/) lists the following=20 country formats on 1060. I see five or six stations you could have=20 been receiving, depending on where you are in SC. If it was near=20 sunset, most likely all of them were still on. If it was an hour=20 after sunset, there was probably at least one still on (at daytime=20 power levels!). WKNG Tallapoosa GA country "King Country" 5000w 33=B0 44' 6" N 85=B0 15' 8" W=20=20 WMCL McLeansboro IL farm, country 2500w/2w 38=B0 6' 16" N 88=B0 33' 48" W=20=20 WFLE Flemingsburg KY country 500w 38=B0 27' 1" N 83=B0 44' 6" W=20=20 WJKY Jamestown KY country // WJRS 104.9 1000w 37=B0 1' 31" N 85=B0 4' 23" W=20=20 KFIL Preston MN country // KFIL-FM 103.1 1000w 43=B0 40' 48" N 92=B0 8' 27" W=20=20 WCOK Sparta NC classic country "K-Country" 800w 36=B0 28' 55" N 81=B0 5' 35" W=20=20 KNLV Ord NE country 1000w 41=B0 34' 16" N 98=B0 55' 29" W=20=20 WNPC Newport TN JRN- country // WNPC-FM 92.9 "C93" 1000w 35=B0 59' 10" N 83=B0 10' 46" W=20=20 Jeff Welton Nautel Customer Service Dept. Tel.: 1-902-823-3900 ext. 127 Fax: 1-902-823-3183 email: jwelton@nautel.com From joen3wtv@yahoo.com Thu Apr 04 06:27:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: joen3wtv@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 4 Apr 2002 14:27:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 49828 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2002 14:27:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2002 14:27:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11702.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2002 14:27:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20020404142720.95180.qmail@web11702.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.155.45.47] by web11702.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 06:27:20 PST Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 06:27:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Receiver Project [add me] To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3CAC2658.5194.5760CB@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: joe elias X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=35888484 X-Yahoo-Profile: joen3wtv thanks for the list.ill try a little earlier this evening.im in the small town of laurens.about an hour south of greenville,sc.....joe --- Jeff Welton wrote: > > aware of a station broadcasting country music on > 1060 > > khz.i logged this just at local sunset.the station > > quickly faded into kyw news radio .im located in > south > > carolina. > > 100000watts.com (http://100kwatts.tmi.net/) lists > the following > country formats on 1060. I see five or six stations > you could have > been receiving, depending on where you are in SC. > If it was near > sunset, most likely all of them were still on. If > it was an hour > after sunset, there was probably at least one still > on (at daytime > power levels!). > > WKNG Tallapoosa GA > country "King Country" > 5000w 33° 44' 6" N 85° 15' 8" W > > WMCL McLeansboro IL > farm, country > 2500w/2w 38° 6' 16" N 88° 33' 48" W > > WFLE Flemingsburg KY > country > 500w 38° 27' 1" N 83° 44' 6" W > > WJKY Jamestown KY > country // WJRS 104.9 > 1000w 37° 1' 31" N 85° 4' 23" W > > KFIL Preston MN > country // KFIL-FM 103.1 > 1000w 43° 40' 48" N 92° 8' 27" W > > WCOK Sparta NC > classic country "K-Country" > 800w 36° 28' 55" N 81° 5' 35" W > > KNLV Ord NE > country > 1000w 41° 34' 16" N 98° 55' 29" W > > WNPC Newport TN > JRN- country // WNPC-FM 92.9 "C93" > 1000w 35° 59' 10" N 83° 10' 46" W > > Jeff Welton > Nautel Customer Service Dept. > Tel.: 1-902-823-3900 ext. 127 > Fax: 1-902-823-3183 > email: jwelton@nautel.com > > ===== +++ PRAY THE ROSARY EVERYDAY +++ +++ O MARY CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN PRAY FOR US WHO HAVE RECOURSE TO THEE+++ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From amfmdx@fastq.com Thu Apr 04 06:55:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 4 Apr 2002 14:55:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 26414 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2002 14:55:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2002 14:55:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2002 14:55:37 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d64-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.96]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g34Etan77489 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 07:55:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <002f01c1dbe8$750a7600$60f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Receiver Project Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 07:53:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 > Add my name to the list of people willing to assemble receivers WHEN > we get this project off the ground. All of you who know me know that from all the previous Stereo lists that I have always been available for assembly, circuit testing or even economic issues. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From jwelton@nautel.com Thu Apr 04 07:06:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 4 Apr 2002 15:06:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 46895 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2002 15:06:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2002 15:06:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserver.nautel.com) (24.222.4.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2002 15:06:54 -0000 Received: FROM jeff-welton BY mailserver.nautel.com ; Thu Apr 04 11:07:51 2002 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:06:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Receiver Project [add me] Message-ID: <3CAC33B5.7043.8B956F@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20020404142720.95180.qmail@web11702.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3CAC2658.5194.5760CB@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable Content-description: Mail message body From: "Jeff Welton" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 > thanks for the list.ill try a little earlier this > evening.im in the small town of laurens.about an hour > south of greenville,sc.....joe Just for grins, I got on MapBlast and looked up the suspect stations.=20 Here is what I think you're seeing - in decreasing order of=20 possibility. Note that I have NOT taken terrain into the equation at=20 all, just power and distance. Tallapoosa is about 225 mi down I-85, just past Atlanta > > WKNG Tallapoosa GA > > country "King Country" > > 5000w 33=B0 44' 6" N 85=B0 15' 8" W=20=20 Newport is about 150 mi NE (about 40 mi E of Knoxville) > > WNPC Newport TN > > JRN- country // WNPC-FM 92.9 "C93" > > 1000w 35=B0 59' 10" N 83=B0 10' 46" W=20=20 Sparta is 170 mi north, just inside NC at the VA border=20 > > WCOK Sparta NC > > classic country "K-Country" > > 800w 36=B0 28' 55" N 81=B0 5' 35" W=20=20 Jamestown is about 350 mi up I-75, about 25 mi over the KY border > > WJKY Jamestown KY > > country // WJRS 104.9 > > 1000w 37=B0 1' 31" N 85=B0 4' 23" W=20=20 Flemingsburg is about 400 mi up I-75, just outside of Lexington > > WFLE Flemingsburg KY > > country > > 500w 38=B0 27' 1" N 83=B0 44' 6" W=20=20 Happy hunting! Best Regards, Jeff Welton Customer Service Dept. Nautel Ltd. Tel.: 1-902-823-3900, ext. 127 Fax: 1-902-823-3183 jwelton@nautel.com From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Thu Apr 04 10:03:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 4 Apr 2002 18:03:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 4187 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2002 18:03:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2002 18:03:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2002 18:03:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2002 18:03:36 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 18:03:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WFAN Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1139 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 63.21.218.172 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > I called WFAN again today to ask about their lack of Stereo for the > past few weeks. The engineer I spoke with on the phone didn't know > the exact reason why they haven't been in Stereo, but he assued me he > would look into it. I mentioned the www.AMStereoRadio.com web site > and we chatted for a little while about AM Stereo in general and he > sounded genuinely supportive. He even mentioned that he has a Sony > SRF-A100, and knows that a good number of domestic cars still come > with AM Stereo radios. > > So if anybody else would like to ring up 660 WFAN in New York City and > inquire about their current lack of a Stereo signal, their office > number is (718) 706-7690. For the record, WFAN was first heard > without Stereo on March 11th, and then the next weekend they went off > the air at night to do transmitter work and afterwards magically > reappeared in AM Stereo, but it only lasted a day or two until the > transmitter had more problems and then since then WFAN has been in > mono. I believe The stereo is off forever at WFAN From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Apr 04 11:49:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 4 Apr 2002 19:49:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 60007 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2002 19:49:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2002 19:49:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO boron.vcn.com) (209.193.72.5) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2002 19:49:29 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.9]) by boron.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 12:49:29 -0700 To: Cc: "ABDX@topica. com" Subject: KCJJ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 12:49:26 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3CAC1D3A.17876.33C433@localhost> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey gang I was tickeled the other night as I made the 20 mile trip south of town to the in-laws' house. All this talk over the years about KCJJ 1630 in Iowa City....how wonderful the stereo is, and how PRO-AMS they are....I've always thought "boy I sure wish I could hear them out here". And especially with the emergence of KKWY in Cheyenne recently....I thought that put the nail in the coffin and that I'd surely never hear them now. Well apparantly I was wrong! I guess you never know with DX! KKWY faded out and in came KCJJ! I heard The Pretenders' "Brass in Pocket" and then a KCJJ jingle! In stereo! Needless to say I let out a loud Marv Albert "YYYYESSSS!!!!" This was a really nice catch for me here in Wyo. The more I learn about DXing, the more I enjoy. Sometimes ya gotta sit there and wait for a bit and you just might hear what you're looking for! MJR in WYO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu Apr 04 14:20:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 4 Apr 2002 22:20:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 18618 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2002 22:20:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2002 22:20:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2002 22:20:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2002 22:20:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 22:20:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Receiver Project Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 221 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.232 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "tubesareking" wrote: - Their site is > www.tubesaremore.com if memory serves me correctly. > This URL didn't work so I tried http://www.tubesandmore.com and it did. JSG From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu Apr 04 15:48:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 4 Apr 2002 23:48:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 59610 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2002 23:48:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2002 23:48:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2002 23:48:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2002 23:48:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 23:48:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Receiver Project Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1826 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.208 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "tubesareking" wrote: > Add my name to the list of people willing to assemble receivers WHEN > we get this project off the ground. I am not an engineer or a > technician, but a pretty experienced hobbyist [28 years I guess > since I started at age 10]who has fairly recently got over his fear > of SMT [but please, for the sake of all of us, try to keep the SMTs > to the minimum necessary for good performance. And, I do have a > scope - nothing exotic - just a 20 Mhz Kenwood but enough to keep > me :) > I am still interested in using the MC13024 for a base design. If this chip can be made to be stable enough in forced stereo mode to be carried in your pocket then this will help to reduce parts count and size. I would steer away from SMD especially for a kit but also SMD will increase assembly time. I've not built with SMD but have worked on some and it does make things harder. Not everyone has a big magnifier light either. If we use through the hole components then a minimal kit could just be circuit board, decoder chip, ceramic IF filter and maybe a couple of other hard to find pieces for those who have access to surplus components. A full blown kit with all parts could be offered also. Since the chip uses a LC PLL we can use a 455KHz IF since there are some ceramic filters that can be scavanged from older 50MHz cordless phones and from a previous post it was brought to my attention that DigiKey had ceramic IFs centered around 455KHz but the 450KHz ones were hard to find. I still would want notch filters even if we can't get those composite RC filters that come in the OEM radios. This would increase the parts count by 6 caps 6 resistors and 4 trimpots but I think it is greatly needed if we use wide IF filtering which is also a must. JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Apr 04 16:05:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 5 Apr 2002 00:05:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 90663 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2002 00:05:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2002 00:05:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2002 00:05:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2002 00:05:42 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 00:05:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FRance Bleu / TDF asking ME if stereo is back ?! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1118 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.146 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics --- In amstereoforum@y..., "amstereofan" <1377.3mp@s...> wrote: > Seems a bit odd that I'm being asked to check if separation is > present ? Surely the enginner(s) have a suitable c-quam receiver to > check ? There may be a lack of communication between TDF (France's radio/TV authority, like the FCC) and the engineers for the Paris transmitter on 864 kHz. TDF runs many different radio networks in France, and even France Bleu is broadcast on a network of 20 different AM transmitters throughout the country. And considering its rarity in Europe, the folks at TDF probably do not have AM Stereo receivers on hand in order to check the 864 kHz signal. Nevertheless, I take it TDF has not specifically said to you that France Bleu on 864 kHz has discontinued AM Stereo, so do not lose hope. Please keep up updated if the AM Stereo returns or not. There is also a very small chance that the engineers might want to "test" the AM Stereo equipment on a different transmitter, so keep an eye on the rest of the French AM stations that you are able to hear, if any of them magically appear in Stereo! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Apr 04 16:15:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 5 Apr 2002 00:15:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 31784 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2002 00:15:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2002 00:15:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2002 00:15:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2002 00:15:19 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 00:15:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WFAN Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 693 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.146 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I believe The stereo is off forever at WFAN Please let us not give up hope. Co-owned Infinity station 1210 WPHT was in mono for about 3 years before they returned to Stereo! So anything is possible. Again, if anybody would like to contact 660 WFAN and ask them about their lack of a Stereo signal, their office phone number during business hours is (718) 706-7690. Through this number you should have no trouble quickly getting in touch with a knowledgeable WFAN employee to talk to about it. Both times I called, they were supportive of AM Stereo and expressed absolutely no desire to purposely discontinue Stereo broadcasts, so I think they just need a little encouragement! From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Thu Apr 04 16:25:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 5 Apr 2002 00:25:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 38276 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2002 00:25:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2002 00:25:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2002 00:25:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2002 00:25:34 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 00:25:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WFAN Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1010 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.135.33.253 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 I hope they return to Stereo. I will definatly be calling them tomorrow. Although the signal is hit or miss at times up here in London Canada, I have managed to get a few nice MP3s of some broadcasts. Thanks, Matt H --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > > I believe The stereo is off forever at WFAN > > Please let us not give up hope. Co-owned Infinity station 1210 WPHT > was in mono for about 3 years before they returned to Stereo! So > anything is possible. > > Again, if anybody would like to contact 660 WFAN and ask them about > their lack of a Stereo signal, their office phone number during > business hours is (718) 706-7690. Through this number you should have > no trouble quickly getting in touch with a knowledgeable WFAN employee > to talk to about it. Both times I called, they were supportive of > AM Stereo and expressed absolutely no desire to purposely discontinue > Stereo broadcasts, so I think they just need a little encouragement! From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Thu Apr 04 16:34:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 5 Apr 2002 00:34:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 77726 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2002 00:34:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2002 00:34:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2002 00:34:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2002 00:34:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 00:34:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Australian Sony Tuner now $202 dollars!!!! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1102 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.135.33.253 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 Wow! This tuner is now $202 Australian dollars which is equivilant to $110 US. Makes me wonder how much mine is worth!!! The Australians one is quite beatup on top with lots of scratches and a burn mark. Mine is absolutely mint with not a single scratch. I asked the seller for some more up close pictures of the top and it looks pretty brutal to say the least! But regardless its still a nice and rare find - especially with the original LCD lamp still working! Just to let anyone know in North America that don't hesitate to bid on the Australian tuner. It can easily be switched to 10 kHz steps by turning the power off and holding the tuning up >> button while turning the unit back on. Same goes for reversing it back to 9 kHz. It's that easy. Also an 240V adaptor can be easily found for under 10 bucks. Trust me this tuner is top-notch. One of the few home AMS tuners. Plus it has amazing sensitivity and is multi-System so you can also find Powerside stations as well!! FM Section is quite nice as well easily competing with some of the most expensive tuners in specs. MattH From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Apr 04 17:20:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 5 Apr 2002 01:20:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 66956 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2002 01:20:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2002 01:20:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2002 01:20:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2002 01:20:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 01:20:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Australian Sony Tuner now $202 dollars!!!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1212 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.146 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Plus it has amazing sensitivity and is multi-System so you can also > find Powerside stations as well!! Not to burst your bubble, but the Sony tuner will only pop into Stereo mode on PowerSide stations if they happen to be transmitting a 15 Hz pilot tone (which most aren't), or if there is "falsing" from multiple stations on the channel. If you do come across a PowerSide station that is broadcasting the 15 Hz pilot tone, the tuner should pop into Kahn AM Stereo mode, and you will hear the station's audio coming out of one audio channel (Left or Right) louder than the other, depending on which sideband they are using. Also, the louder channel will have more bass, and the quieter channel will have more treble. That is the nature of the PowerSide system when received on a Kahn/ISB AM Stereo receiver. On a receiver operating in any of the other AM Stereo modes, such as Motorola, Harris, or Magnavox, a Kahn PowerSide station will sound "out of phase" (very "spaced out", almost like a Simulated Stereo effect), with lots of distortion, and one channel will be *slightly* louder than the other, indicating which sideband (Left = lower, Right = upper) the PowerSide signal is using. From rfinder@telusplanet.net Thu Apr 04 17:40:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rfinder@telusplanet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 5 Apr 2002 01:40:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 92118 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2002 01:40:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2002 01:40:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2002 01:40:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2002 01:40:49 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 01:40:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Read This! Reply from CFCW 790 camrose Engineer!! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1023 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "i2thesky2001" X-Originating-IP: 142.59.49.245 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Had this reply sent to me today. CFCW may someday return to ((((AM STEREO)))!! Richard Thanks for your interest in AM Stereo, a medium that has had a rocky and largely invisible history. Sorry, there is no Corporate conspiracy to kill AM Stereo here. The simple fact of the matter is that the new Stereo exciters became unstable at low temperatures. This lead to a visit from a Harris field engineer and they have been trying to get to the bottom of the problem. We will operate from the Transmitters internal exciter till such a time when the problems have been fully investigated and rectified. At that time we will happily go back to beautiful AM Stereo. I hope this answers your concerns. If not do not hesitate to call or email me. Thanks Lyle Aumuller C.E.T., CBNT Chief Engineer Engineering Department Edmonton Radio Group CKRA-FM/ CIRK-FM/ CFCW-AM (780)-437-9216 Direct Line (780)-436-5719 Fax e-mail Engineering@edmontonradiogroup.com or aumuller@techemail.com From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Apr 04 18:35:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 5 Apr 2002 02:35:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 63220 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2002 02:35:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2002 02:35:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2002 02:35:39 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-124.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.124]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g352Z7dj003400 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 20:35:09 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <002d01c1dbb6$a12b8800$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <3CAC1D3A.17876.33C433@localhost> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why? Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 02:56:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I've got my remote control set to trip the xmtr to half power at 105deg. F, and shut off completely at 120. Not likely to happen short of an air conditioning failure on a blistering hot day. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Welton > Plastic caps work well - but not in high ambient temperatures. > Scott, you'll notice 0.22uF plastics (or polystyrenes, depending on > the issue of your PA's) on every power amplifier in your ND5. If > your ambient room temp is anywhere near the top end of the > transmitter's temp rating (50 deg. C at sea level) for extended > periods of time, then the failure rate of these capacitors will > increase dramatically. OTOH, plastic caps tend to be physically > larger. From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Apr 04 18:37:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 5 Apr 2002 02:37:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 25753 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2002 02:37:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2002 02:37:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2002 02:37:40 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-124.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.124]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g352b8dj003716 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 20:37:10 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <003601c1dbb6$e94aaa80$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <3CAC1D3A.17876.33C433@localhost> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why? Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 02:58:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Are those typical aluminum lytics or tantalum lookalikes? Interesting that you found them, as a lot of other catalogs don't have anything below 50v in the 1u size. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Welton > While I hate to argue with a customer (!), Newark's website shows 1uF > capacitors as low as 16V, made by MCM ... and one of our pieces of > equipment uses a 47000uF 25V elect. capacitor. Also, Digi-Key has > 1uF, 35V axial electrolytics in stock. From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Apr 04 18:54:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 5 Apr 2002 02:54:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 2727 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2002 02:54:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2002 02:54:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2002 02:54:55 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-124.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.124]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g352sOdj006305 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 20:54:25 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <006201c1dbb9$5291bcc0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020404053000.57638.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 2 1/2 cents about AMS radios Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 03:15:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Unfortunately it was BECAUSE of the "marketplace decision" that AMS is in the sorry shape it's in. Sounds like you don't know a lot of the history. The FCC initially went with the Magnavox system. Most station engineers who tried it didn't like it so for the first time in history, the FCC let all the various proponents duke it out. For all the alleged support Kahn had, he didn't have that many stations transmit his signal. And because there was no set standard, receiver manufacturers didn't want to commit to a system that might become obsolete. Only Chrysler made all their radios with factory standard AMS, and they went with the Motorola system, which was THE standard wherever there was AMS in the rest of the world. It wouldn't surprise me they had some sort of a deal with them for semiconductors and such. Anyhoo, if you wanted AMS, you had to go with them unless it was a premium radio of some other auto manufacturer. By the early 90's, stations were begging the FCC to set a standard, and they went with CQUAM this time, most likely because it was the defacto world standard by then. BTW- Motorola isn't the only one after the VHF and UHF ham bands. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: joe elias > someone correctme.but i think the whole issue should > be left to the market place and not federal > regulation. From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Apr 04 18:56:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 5 Apr 2002 02:56:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 65079 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2002 02:56:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2002 02:56:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2002 02:56:18 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-124.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.124]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g352tkdj006517 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 20:55:47 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <006801c1dbb9$839cab40$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <007e01c1dbe0$e849ea40$06630780@espositojm2> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Receiver Project (C. Crane Company ?) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 03:17:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude We've been around that block before on some of the earlier AMS lists. They don't seem too interested. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Esposito > Has anyone contacted C. Crane about selling a AM STEREO Receiver? > C. Crane seems to be the right place to sell such a product. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Apr 04 19:31:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 5 Apr 2002 03:31:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 64206 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2002 03:31:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2002 03:31:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2002 03:31:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2002 03:31:14 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 03:31:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Receiver Project (C. Crane Company ?) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006801c1dbb9$839cab40$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2776 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.146 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > We've been around that block before on some of the earlier AMS > lists. They don't seem too interested. Their reply to me was that it would be "too expensive" to add AM Stereo and selectable Narrow/Wide bandwidth to the "CCRadio". Quite a lame excuse when the CCRadio is already at $169.95 in its standard muffled mono form! Even in the "CCRadio Plus" form, it uses a 3 kHz ceramic filter, and its stated AM audio response (without pre-emphasis) is 100 - 2500 Hz.... i.e., no bass and no treble. But the folks at the C. Crane Company probably all have tin ears anyway. They claim the CCRadio "sounds better" than the AMAX certified G.E. Superadio III! And you really can't blame them. 95% of the radios C.Crane sells (including the CCRadio) are made by Sangean, which on average in their digital-tuning radios has the worst sounding AM audio I have ever heard. It is so tinny, muffled, and distorted, it is physically painful to listen to. The only exception is their cheap analog-tuning shortwave radios, which actually use a decently wide filter for AM and shortwave sound quality that is actually quite good. Nevertheless, the CCRadio at least proves that there ARE people out there that are willing to spend a good amount on a radio just because of its claimed performance on the AM band. I mean, $170 is not exactly something you just spend on a whim! And apparently some people are actually pleased with the performance of the CCRadio, even though it would still be overpriced even at half of its current price. So let me say it again: We need another Sony SRF-42! Something that is CHEAP but GOOD. Sony sold over 750,000 of these little ~$29.99 AM Stereo Walkmans and they would sell much more if it were still available! If we are going to design and/or build AM Stereo radios ourselves, I think something based on the MC13024 would be perfect to fill this "cheap but good" category. And as the "Projects" page of the AM Stereo web site demonstrates, these would also make ideal "promo" radios for AM Stereo stations to give out or even sell to listeners. You don't need a DXing champion or something with all the frills when you're just trying to listen to a local station in AM Stereo. I think we should still bug RAMSEY. They have shown at least SOME interest in offering AM Stereo products, and they would be an ideal source for producing both kits and fully assembled radios. If this is going to be serious, we are going to need pseudo-mass-production facilities in order to handle the demand for these MC13024 AM Stereo radios, and a company like Ramsey or PanAxis can handle that much better than any group of individuals can, yet at less cost than trying to venture into full-fledged mass production. From dav259@csiro.au Thu Apr 04 20:21:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 5 Apr 2002 04:21:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 31852 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2002 04:21:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2002 04:21:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2002 04:21:05 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08767 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 14:21:03 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 14:21:03 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Receiver Project (C. Crane Company ?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, kevtronics wrote: > So let me say it again: We need another Sony SRF-42! Something that > is CHEAP but GOOD. Sony sold over 750,000 of these little ~$29.99 > AM Stereo Walkmans and they would sell much more if it were still > available! Aint that the truth! If Sony would only make 250,000 more available at Radio Shack/Tandy stores and put them in their catalogues stations would start switching their exciters back on all over the place. And as they sold out other AMS models would have to be released with demonstrated market demmand. My SRF-42 is better than any Amex card - I wouldn't leave home without it! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Apr 04 21:28:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 5 Apr 2002 05:28:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 65396 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2002 05:28:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2002 05:28:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2002 05:28:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2002 05:28:34 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 05:28:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1160 WYNS format change Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1128 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.146 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics As reported to another radio message group: > > > > Format change-----As of this past Monday, 1160 WYNS in Lehighton, PA has switched formats from classic country to Cool Oldies 1160 WYNS. The station played oldies from 1987 to 1998, switching to country and then classic country last April. It seems they might want to fill the void with oldies listeners now that Oldies 99.9 is gone. BTW they will also be celebrating 40 years on the air next Friday. < < < < During their Classic Country format, WYNS was one of the best sounding AM Stereo stations I ever heard.... unfortunately I am out of their signal range to hear how their new Oldies format sounds in Stereo. WYNS continues to be independently owned so I have no doubt they are still in AM Stereo with the new Oldies format. And it is true that since the demise of 99.9 WODE-FM, the Allentown, PA area has been left without any FM Oldies station. WYNS is the third AM station in the area that has flipped to Oldies to attract former FM listeners, along with mono 590 WARM (Scranton, PA) and Clear Channel-owned ex-Stereo 1470 WKAP (Allentown, PA). From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu Apr 04 21:37:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 5 Apr 2002 05:37:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 14993 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2002 05:37:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2002 05:37:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2002 05:37:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2002 05:37:38 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 05:37:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Receiver Project (C. Crane Company ?) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 983 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.101 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > I think something based on the MC13024 would be perfect to > fill this "cheap but good" category. And as the "Projects" page of > the AM Stereo web site demonstrates, these would also make ideal > "promo" radios for AM Stereo stations to give out or even sell to > listeners. You don't need a DXing champion or something with all the > frills when you're just trying to listen to a local station in > AM Stereo. > After looking at the 13024 datasheet it looks like wide/narrow bandwidth could be added by De-Qing the coil attached to pin 19 with a resistor. If you make the resistor variable you could have variable bandwidth. You can use a wide 7.5KHz filter like that used in the Chrysler radios for local with the coil De-Qed for Hi-Fi and no resistor for max Q for DXing. If we go the variable route the listener could adjust for just the right response depending on noise and program material. JSG From joen3wtv@yahoo.com Thu Apr 04 21:59:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: joen3wtv@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 5 Apr 2002 05:59:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 56642 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2002 05:59:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2002 05:59:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11704.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2002 05:59:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20020405055920.24778.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.170.170.17] by web11704.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 21:59:20 PST Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 21:59:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1160 WYNS format change To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: joe elias X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=35888484 X-Yahoo-Profile: joen3wtv what happened to oldies 99.9 fm.i think their call letters were wode.when i lived in the area i used to listen to them...joe --- kevtronics wrote: > As reported to another radio message group: > > > > > > > Format change-----As of this past Monday, 1160 WYNS > in Lehighton, PA > has switched formats from classic country to Cool > Oldies 1160 WYNS. > The station played oldies from 1987 to 1998, > switching to country and > then classic country last April. It seems they > might want to fill the > void with oldies listeners now that Oldies 99.9 is > gone. BTW they > will also be celebrating 40 years on the air next > Friday. > < < < < > > During their Classic Country format, WYNS was one of > the best sounding > AM Stereo stations I ever heard.... unfortunately I > am out of their > signal range to hear how their new Oldies format > sounds in Stereo. > WYNS continues to be independently owned so I have > no doubt they are > still in AM Stereo with the new Oldies format. > > And it is true that since the demise of 99.9 > WODE-FM, the Allentown, > PA area has been left without any FM Oldies station. > WYNS is the > third AM station in the area that has flipped to > Oldies to attract > former FM listeners, along with mono 590 WARM > (Scranton, PA) and Clear > Channel-owned ex-Stereo 1470 WKAP (Allentown, PA). > > > ===== +++ PRAY THE ROSARY EVERYDAY +++ +++ O MARY CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN PRAY FOR US WHO HAVE RECOURSE TO THEE+++ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From smpoole7@bellsouth.net Thu Apr 04 22:00:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: smpoole7@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 5 Apr 2002 06:00:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 71792 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2002 06:00:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2002 06:00:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2002 06:00:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2002 06:00:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 06:00:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: 2 1/2 cents about AMS radios Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020404053000.57638.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2528 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "professorpoole" X-Originating-IP: 209.214.104.74 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25309165 X-Yahoo-Profile: professorpoole --- In amstereoforum@y..., joe elias wrote: > someone correctme.but i think the whole issue should > be left to the market place and not federal > regulation. I'm a free-market conservative of the first order, but you're not talking about a commodity here, you're talking about a technical standard. I don't have to imagine that chaos that results from this, because (as Scott pointed out) the historical record is clear on this very example: the FCC's "marketplace" decision effectively killed AM stereo. No one in their right minds would have suggested that there be two or three different standards for color television in this country, or several technical standards for FM stereo. The FCC chose standards, and -- as I pointed out -- eventually mandated that the receivers should handle them. FM and UHF television would have *died* without these rules. Whether you agree with government intervention or not, I'm simply stating a fact. OK, so maybe the price for my "pure" marketplace conservatism would be to accept that they should have DIED. But there is also no doubt that this would have happened. What you have to understand is that the marketplace has ALREADY DECIDED. It has said, "no" to AM stereo. We can parse that and point fingers all day long, but to what point? The argument now should be, since FM and TV will have digital delivery systems (forget how flawed they are; THEY -- meaning the FCC and NAB -- think it's the next Sliced Bread, so play on THEIR perceptions ... a little *marketing* for you, there[g]) ... AM has to have SOMETHING to remain competitive. Kevtronics is dead on the money. THIS is the time to petition the FCC, and that's precisely what we should say: "IBOC for AM is a dead elephant, just give us AMAX stereo *RECEIVERS* and we can remain competitive." :) (Ain't I a stinker?[g]) And just for the record ... I supported Kahn's system, too, long after I should have. I now regret it, to be honest. By doing so, *I* helped kill AM stereo in the "marketplace." Are there better color TV systems than the NTSC we use here in the states? Absolutely! There's no way to get a saturated blue color in that system, for example, and the resolution of the color information stinks. But it worked good enough to satisfy the public! Same with CQUAM. Does it have shortcomings? Sure! But it will SATISFY THE PUBLIC, and it WILL enable AM to compete head-on with FM, whether it goes digital or not. That's all that counts. Just my opinion. From joen3wtv@yahoo.com Thu Apr 04 22:08:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: joen3wtv@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 5 Apr 2002 06:08:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 21885 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2002 06:08:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2002 06:08:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11707.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2002 06:08:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20020405060812.18169.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.170.170.17] by web11707.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 22:08:12 PST Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 22:08:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 2 1/2 cents about AMS radios To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: joe elias X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=35888484 X-Yahoo-Profile: joen3wtv i just think motorola threw enough money around to get their system approved.your probably correct.for radio to survive am or fm,they need to bring back local programming with local hosts.sattelite radio is driving me nuts....joe --- professorpoole wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@y..., joe elias > wrote: > > someone correctme.but i think the whole issue > should > > be left to the market place and not federal > > regulation. > > I'm a free-market conservative of the first order, > but you're not > talking about a commodity here, you're talking about > a technical > standard. I don't have to imagine that chaos that > results from this, > because (as Scott pointed out) the historical record > is clear on > this very example: the FCC's "marketplace" decision > effectively > killed AM stereo. > > No one in their right minds would have suggested > that there be two > or three different standards for color television in > this country, > or several technical standards for FM stereo. The > FCC chose > standards, and -- as I pointed out -- eventually > mandated that the > receivers should handle them. > > FM and UHF television would have *died* without > these rules. Whether > you agree with government intervention or not, I'm > simply stating a > fact. OK, so maybe the price for my "pure" > marketplace conservatism > would be to accept that they should have DIED. But > there is also no > doubt that this would have happened. > > What you have to understand is that the marketplace > has ALREADY > DECIDED. It has said, "no" to AM stereo. We can > parse that and point > fingers all day long, but to what point? > > The argument now should be, since FM and TV will > have digital > delivery systems (forget how flawed they are; THEY > -- meaning the > FCC and NAB -- think it's the next Sliced Bread, so > play on THEIR > perceptions ... a little *marketing* for you, > there[g]) ... AM has > to have SOMETHING to remain competitive. > > Kevtronics is dead on the money. THIS is the time to > petition the > FCC, and that's precisely what we should say: "IBOC > for AM is a dead > elephant, just give us AMAX stereo *RECEIVERS* and > we can remain > competitive." :) > > (Ain't I a stinker?[g]) > > And just for the record ... I supported Kahn's > system, too, long > after I should have. I now regret it, to be honest. > By doing so, *I* > helped kill AM stereo in the "marketplace." > > Are there better color TV systems than the NTSC we > use here in the > states? Absolutely! There's no way to get a > saturated blue color in > that system, for example, and the resolution of the > color > information stinks. But it worked good enough to > satisfy the public! > > Same with CQUAM. Does it have shortcomings? Sure! > But it will > SATISFY THE PUBLIC, and it WILL enable AM to compete > head-on with > FM, whether it goes digital or not. > > That's all that counts. > > Just my opinion. > > > ===== +++ PRAY THE ROSARY EVERYDAY +++ +++ O MARY CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN PRAY FOR US WHO HAVE RECOURSE TO THEE+++ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From joen3wtv@yahoo.com Thu Apr 04 22:12:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: joen3wtv@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 5 Apr 2002 06:12:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 89352 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2002 06:12:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2002 06:12:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11701.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2002 06:12:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20020405061201.73351.qmail@web11701.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.170.170.17] by web11701.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 22:12:01 PST Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 22:12:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Receiver Project (C. Crane Company ?) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: joe elias X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=35888484 X-Yahoo-Profile: joen3wtv reading all of this makes me realize im blessed owning a zenith transoceanic 1000.yes its a mono radio.but it sure sounds good.....joe --- kevtronics wrote: > > We've been around that block before on some of the > earlier AMS > > lists. They don't seem too interested. > > Their reply to me was that it would be "too > expensive" to add > AM Stereo and selectable Narrow/Wide bandwidth to > the "CCRadio". > Quite a lame excuse when the CCRadio is already at > $169.95 in its > standard muffled mono form! Even in the "CCRadio > Plus" form, it > uses a 3 kHz ceramic filter, and its stated AM audio > response (without > pre-emphasis) is 100 - 2500 Hz.... i.e., no bass and > no treble. > > But the folks at the C. Crane Company probably all > have tin ears > anyway. They claim the CCRadio "sounds better" than > the AMAX > certified G.E. Superadio III! > > And you really can't blame them. 95% of the radios > C.Crane sells > (including the CCRadio) are made by Sangean, which > on average in their > digital-tuning radios has the worst sounding AM > audio I have ever > heard. It is so tinny, muffled, and distorted, it > is physically > painful to listen to. The only exception is their > cheap analog-tuning > shortwave radios, which actually use a decently wide > filter for AM and > shortwave sound quality that is actually quite good. > > Nevertheless, the CCRadio at least proves that there > ARE people out > there that are willing to spend a good amount on a > radio just because > of its claimed performance on the AM band. I mean, > $170 is not > exactly something you just spend on a whim! And > apparently some > people are actually pleased with the performance of > the CCRadio, even > though it would still be overpriced even at half of > its current price. > > So let me say it again: We need another Sony > SRF-42! Something that > is CHEAP but GOOD. Sony sold over 750,000 of these > little ~$29.99 > AM Stereo Walkmans and they would sell much more if > it were still > available! If we are going to design and/or build > AM Stereo radios > ourselves, I think something based on the MC13024 > would be perfect to > fill this "cheap but good" category. And as the > "Projects" page of > the AM Stereo web site demonstrates, these would > also make ideal > "promo" radios for AM Stereo stations to give out or > even sell to > listeners. You don't need a DXing champion or > something with all the > frills when you're just trying to listen to a local > station in > AM Stereo. > > I think we should still bug RAMSEY. They have shown > at least SOME > interest in offering AM Stereo products, and they > would be an ideal > source for producing both kits and fully assembled > radios. If this is > going to be serious, we are going to need > pseudo-mass-production > facilities in order to handle the demand for these > MC13024 AM Stereo > radios, and a company like Ramsey or PanAxis can > handle that much > better than any group of individuals can, yet at > less cost than trying > to venture into full-fledged mass production. > > > ===== +++ PRAY THE ROSARY EVERYDAY +++ +++ O MARY CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN PRAY FOR US WHO HAVE RECOURSE TO THEE+++ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Apr 04 22:43:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 5 Apr 2002 06:43:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 19593 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2002 06:43:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2002 06:43:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2002 06:43:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2002 06:43:23 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 06:43:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Sony AM Stereo tuner on eBay Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 185 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.146 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics The winner bidder for it, at a whopping AUS$295 (about US$157), is eBay user "amstereofan". Is this person one of us? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1342748594 From dav259@csiro.au Thu Apr 04 23:51:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 5 Apr 2002 07:51:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 76293 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2002 07:51:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2002 07:51:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2002 07:51:31 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16613 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 17:51:29 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 17:51:29 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony AM Stereo tuner on eBay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, kevtronics wrote: > The winner bidder for it, at a whopping AUS$295 (about US$157), is > eBay user "amstereofan". Is this person one of us? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1342748594 YES!!! It's 3MP-Dave from Sussex, UK. Hey - do we have a millionaire amongst us? :) Well done Dave - it'll make flat sounding mono AM stations at least come alive - but with I guess in the Motherland no separation. I paid about AUS$200 for mine about 17 years ago and it's still going strong (after a complete overhaul about five years ago). Unfortunately the dog ate the ferrite bar external antenna that came with it and you simply can't buy AM radio antennas here in Oz. They give you the same look as if you ask have they got anything in AM stereo. Thanks to Donn I've now got a RadioShack AM Loop Antenna and the sound is awesome - as long as the TV set is off ... But I'm not complaining. I remember the day I bought mine vividly. One Saturday morning I was shopping in Prahan and I saw it in Brashs' window (they've gone bust like so many other chains). Apparently I stood there for about half an hour and finally a friend walked over to me and said what are you up to? - you've been looking in this window for 30 minutes. And I said - I'm looking at that AM stereo receiver - it's the last thing I need (my Akai system being pretty new) but I'd really like to have one. And he said - well if it's capivated you for so long just go in and buy it. And I did - without even a demo. And it's one of the smartest things I've ever done. Ian - Melbourne From dave_m1ctk@yahoo.co.uk Fri Apr 05 06:54:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dave_m1ctk@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 5 Apr 2002 14:54:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 40634 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2002 14:54:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2002 14:54:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2002 14:54:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2002 14:53:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 14:53:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony AM Stereo tuner on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2113 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" X-Originating-IP: 213.121.68.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=70214876 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan It's about =A3110 to me. Yes I know I must be mad but I'm interested to=20 hear France Bleu with the thing. Plus it might 'widen out' some of=20 the UK sts. Condition not too good (burn mark ?) which is a shame but=20 this is not too important to me. I don't nessasarily plan to keep it also so will no doubt put it on=20 ebay later in the year if anyone is interested ? --- In amstereoforum@y..., Ian Davidson wrote: > On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, kevtronics wrote: >=20 > > The winner bidder for it, at a whopping AUS$295 (about US$157), is > > eBay user "amstereofan". Is this person one of us? > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D1342748594 >=20 > YES!!! It's 3MP-Dave from Sussex, UK. Hey - do we have a=20 millionaire > amongst us? :) >=20 > Well done Dave - it'll make flat sounding mono AM stations at least=20 come > alive - but with I guess in the Motherland no separation. >=20 > I paid about AUS$200 for mine about 17 years ago and it's still=20 going > strong (after a complete overhaul about five years ago).=20=20 Unfortunately > the dog ate the ferrite bar external antenna that came with it and=20 you > simply can't buy AM radio antennas here in Oz. They give you the=20 same > look as if you ask have they got anything in AM stereo. Thanks to=20 Donn > I've now got a RadioShack AM Loop Antenna and the sound is awesome - as > long as the TV set is off ... But I'm not complaining. >=20 > I remember the day I bought mine vividly. One Saturday morning I=20 was > shopping in Prahan and I saw it in Brashs' window (they've gone=20 bust like > so many other chains). Apparently I stood there for about half an=20 hour > and finally a friend walked over to me and said what are you up=20 to? - > you've been looking in this window for 30 minutes. And I said - I'm > looking at that AM stereo receiver - it's the last thing I need (my > Akai system being pretty new) but I'd really like to have one. And=20 he > said - well if it's capivated you for so long just go in and buy=20 it. And > I did - without even a demo. And it's one of the smartest things=20 I've > ever done. >=20 > Ian - Melbourne From dave_m1ctk@yahoo.co.uk Fri Apr 05 06:54:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dave_m1ctk@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 5 Apr 2002 14:54:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 11988 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2002 14:54:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2002 14:54:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2002 14:54:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2002 14:53:57 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 14:53:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony AM Stereo tuner on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2113 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" X-Originating-IP: 213.121.68.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=70214876 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan It's about =A3110 to me. Yes I know I must be mad but I'm interested to=20 hear France Bleu with the thing. Plus it might 'widen out' some of=20 the UK sts. Condition not too good (burn mark ?) which is a shame but=20 this is not too important to me. I don't nessasarily plan to keep it also so will no doubt put it on=20 ebay later in the year if anyone is interested ? --- In amstereoforum@y..., Ian Davidson wrote: > On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, kevtronics wrote: >=20 > > The winner bidder for it, at a whopping AUS$295 (about US$157), is > > eBay user "amstereofan". Is this person one of us? > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D1342748594 >=20 > YES!!! It's 3MP-Dave from Sussex, UK. Hey - do we have a=20 millionaire > amongst us? :) >=20 > Well done Dave - it'll make flat sounding mono AM stations at least=20 come > alive - but with I guess in the Motherland no separation. >=20 > I paid about AUS$200 for mine about 17 years ago and it's still=20 going > strong (after a complete overhaul about five years ago).=20=20 Unfortunately > the dog ate the ferrite bar external antenna that came with it and=20 you > simply can't buy AM radio antennas here in Oz. They give you the=20 same > look as if you ask have they got anything in AM stereo. Thanks to=20 Donn > I've now got a RadioShack AM Loop Antenna and the sound is awesome - as > long as the TV set is off ... But I'm not complaining. >=20 > I remember the day I bought mine vividly. One Saturday morning I=20 was > shopping in Prahan and I saw it in Brashs' window (they've gone=20 bust like > so many other chains). Apparently I stood there for about half an=20 hour > and finally a friend walked over to me and said what are you up=20 to? - > you've been looking in this window for 30 minutes. And I said - I'm > looking at that AM stereo receiver - it's the last thing I need (my > Akai system being pretty new) but I'd really like to have one. And=20 he > said - well if it's capivated you for so long just go in and buy=20 it. And > I did - without even a demo. And it's one of the smartest things=20 I've > ever done. >=20 > Ian - Melbourne From amfmdx@fastq.com Fri Apr 05 09:57:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 5 Apr 2002 17:57:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 89237 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2002 17:57:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2002 17:57:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2002 17:57:27 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d82-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.114]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g35HvOn11709 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 10:57:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <007201c1dcca$a53b0e60$72f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Receiver Project (C. Crane Company ?) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 10:52:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 > Their reply to me was that it would be "too expensive" to add > AM Stereo and selectable Narrow/Wide bandwidth to the "CCRadio". > Quite a lame excuse when the CCRadio is already at $169.95 in its > standard muffled mono form! Kevin, I got the same response from CCrane when I asked about this. Kevin, I think you are barking up the wrong tree on this one. Yes, it would be very nice for the CCRadio and CCRadio Plus to have AM stereo. I would like it but.... This radio is a DXing radio. > Even in the "CCRadio Plus" form, it > uses a 3 kHz ceramic filter, and its stated AM audio response (without > pre-emphasis) is 100 - 2500 Hz.... i.e., no bass and no treble. You and I know that there are DXing radios and listening radios. They are very different things. The CCRadio does say that its tailored for the human voice, and that its sole purpose in life is to DX. You and I both know that to DX the filters must be very narrow. That means, no bass and no treble. This does make sure there aren't lots of whistles and that it will pick up very weak stations adjacent to each other. However the CCRadio is only a little better than average with that. > But the folks at the C. Crane Company probably all have tin ears > anyway. They claim the CCRadio "sounds better" than the AMAX > certified G.E. Superadio III! I don't think they have tin ears. I think they made a DXing radio. I do think that if they say it sounds better than the SR III its bullshit but so far, at least for me, I haven't seen or heard them say that. I am not calling you a liar or anything like that. I am saying that I haven't heard it yet. I would like to see it if you can give me a URL because I will be glad to call them on that one. > And you really can't blame them. 95% of the radios C.Crane sells > (including the CCRadio) are made by Sangean, which on average in their > digital-tuning radios has the worst sounding AM audio I have ever > heard. It is so tinny, muffled, and distorted, it is physically > painful to listen to. I know the SR-1, SR-2, the old SR-66, the DT-200V and the DT-300VW all sound great. I own them. The other radios are MADE FOR DXING and NOT SOUND QUALITY. The DX-398 / ATS-909 sounds like crap but it picks up signals like a vacuum. Same for the old DX-440 / ATS-803 and the DX-390 / ATS 818 sound like crap, DX like hell. I know that you don't like DX radios and thats fine. I can understand why someone would be an audiophile. I have audiophile radios and DX radios. I try to compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges. > The only exception is their cheap analog-tuning > shortwave radios, which actually use a decently wide filter for AM and > shortwave sound quality that is actually quite good. And no one in their right mind would use those radios for DX so the filters are wide. > Nevertheless, the CCRadio at least proves that there ARE people out > there that are willing to spend a good amount on a radio just because > of its claimed performance on the AM band. I mean, $170 is not > exactly something you just spend on a whim! This is true. There are a lot of people out there interested in DXing. The performance is good but by no means is it the best portable out there. The CCRadio may be the best with a MSRP under $200 FOR MW DXING. > And apparently some > people are actually pleased with the performance of the CCRadio, even > though it would still be overpriced even at half of its current price. I bought mine as a refurb unit and paid $120. I think that the radio is worth about $100 but perhaps the CCRadio Plus maybe worth $120. > So let me say it again: We need another Sony SRF-42! Something that > is CHEAP but GOOD. I like the idea. We need to figure out how to make the cases for a radio. If we can do that, we can sell the radios. We have to have 5 figures to get a mold made though. Where are we getting the money? If we can scrape it up, we are in. > Sony sold over 750,000 of these little ~$29.99 > AM Stereo Walkmans and they would sell much more if it were still > available! The problem with these radios is that there was NO marketing done. If I could find the radios, they sell as soon as I can get my hands on them. I have never sold one and made a single cent. I have only recovered the costs because I wanted people to have the radios in their hands. >You don't need a DXing champion or something with all the > frills when you're just trying to listen to a local station in > AM Stereo. We need something as good as the SRF-42. Its not a DX monster and it will grab a signal well. > If this is > going to be serious, we are going to need pseudo-mass-production > facilities in order to handle the demand for these MC13024 AM Stereo > radios, and a company like Ramsey or PanAxis can handle that much > better than any group of individuals can, yet at less cost than trying > to venture into full-fledged mass production. This is a good idea. If we can make our own cases and could buy the kits from Ramsey or someone. We have to do something about making cases. If we do that and they look good, we are in BIG TIME. We have to build the guts first and make the case from the guts or get some used molds and build the guts to fit. One way or the other we gotta figure out the cases. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Fri Apr 05 10:05:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 5 Apr 2002 18:05:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 34211 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2002 18:05:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2002 18:05:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2002 18:05:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2002 18:05:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 18:05:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony AM Stereo tuner on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2623 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.170.150.121 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 Yeah it's a burn mark. I asked the seller about it when the unit was=20 at a low bid cause I would have like to buy it so he sent me some=20 close ups. I have them on my hotmail account but for some reason=20 hotmail is not responding right now. When its back online i'll get=20 the original message from the seller. MattH --- In amstereoforum@y..., "amstereofan" wrote: > It's about =A3110 to me. Yes I know I must be mad but I'm interested=20 to=20 > hear France Bleu with the thing. Plus it might 'widen out' some of=20 > the UK sts. Condition not too good (burn mark ?) which is a shame=20 but=20 > this is not too important to me. >=20 > I don't nessasarily plan to keep it also so will no doubt put it on=20 > ebay later in the year if anyone is interested ? >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@y..., Ian Davidson wrote: > > On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, kevtronics wrote: > >=20 > > > The winner bidder for it, at a whopping AUS$295 (about US$157),=20 is > > > eBay user "amstereofan". Is this person one of us? > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D1342748594 > >=20 > > YES!!! It's 3MP-Dave from Sussex, UK. Hey - do we have a=20 > millionaire > > amongst us? :) > >=20 > > Well done Dave - it'll make flat sounding mono AM stations at=20 least=20 > come > > alive - but with I guess in the Motherland no separation. > >=20 > > I paid about AUS$200 for mine about 17 years ago and it's still=20 > going > > strong (after a complete overhaul about five years ago).=20=20 > Unfortunately > > the dog ate the ferrite bar external antenna that came with it=20 and=20 > you > > simply can't buy AM radio antennas here in Oz. They give you the=20 > same > > look as if you ask have they got anything in AM stereo. Thanks=20 to=20 > Donn > > I've now got a RadioShack AM Loop Antenna and the sound is=20 awesome - > as > > long as the TV set is off ... But I'm not complaining. > >=20 > > I remember the day I bought mine vividly. One Saturday morning I=20 > was > > shopping in Prahan and I saw it in Brashs' window (they've gone=20 > bust like > > so many other chains). Apparently I stood there for about half=20 an=20 > hour > > and finally a friend walked over to me and said what are you up=20 > to? - > > you've been looking in this window for 30 minutes. And I said -=20 I'm > > looking at that AM stereo receiver - it's the last thing I need=20 (my > > Akai system being pretty new) but I'd really like to have one.=20=20 And=20 > he > > said - well if it's capivated you for so long just go in and buy=20 > it. And > > I did - without even a demo. And it's one of the smartest things=20 > I've > > ever done. > >=20 > > Ian - Melbourne From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Apr 05 10:45:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 5 Apr 2002 18:45:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 79909 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2002 18:45:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2002 18:45:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14204.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.146) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2002 18:45:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20020405184531.84360.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Apr 2002 10:45:31 PST Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 10:45:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: Write to the FCC by this time next week! To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Gentlemen: This is long, but please read it all. I’ve given lots of thought to this, and I believe that we each MUST write to the FCC about AM radio. Here’s a few suggestions, and please add your own. 1) May I suggest we insist that the FCC, in the interest of ‘national security’, that they need to leave the AM band ANALOG in the event of an emergency as it will always work; Tube AM radios are EMP-proof, and the US gov’t probably still has two old CONNELRAD Civil Defense transmitters that can blast a million watts of analog AM half-way across the country. AM is best for nationwide broadcasts with radios that can be assembled from a half-dozen scrap parts in the event of an emergency IF the AM broadcast band remains ANALOG. 2) No IBOC on the AM band, and only on FM “if” they can do it without interference! 3) Since IBOC will not work 24/7 on the AM broadcast band, AMAX AM Stereo MUST be used. Since the FCC gave FM stereo to be competitive, AM must now be given priority to remain a potential music medium that covers a large area. The FCC should insist that ‘all stations in the USA that are granted 1A Clear Channel frequencies – MUST transmit in C-Quam Stereo AM within 6 months of this FCC Order” 4) Regional stations between 5KW and 50KW will be required to transmit in C-Quam AM Stereo within 1 year of this FCC order. 5) Local stations transmitting with a power output of 250Watts or less will be encouraged, but not required to transmit in Cquam AM Stereo, or stations with night power below 100Watts, as well as traffic information stations will be exempt. 6) All receiver manufacturers that produce an FM Stereo radio for sale in the USA will required to also provide AM Stereo within 2 years of this order. 7) All expanded band (1610-1710) stations will have only 6 months to comply with the mandatory AM stereo transmission requirement, or they will have to forfeit their X-Band frequency. 8)Any other suggestions? We must act know before any other broadcast formats make this a moot point! Scott – what is the best way for us to contact the FCC to get this in the works????? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Fri Apr 05 10:51:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 5 Apr 2002 18:51:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 462 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2002 18:51:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2002 18:51:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2002 18:51:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2002 18:51:12 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 18:51:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Write to the FCC by this time next week! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020405184531.84360.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2771 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.170.150.121 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 I've always though that the "clear-channel" flamethrowers should be=20 forced to broadcast in stereo considering that they cover at least=20 1/3 of the continent at night. I'd be happy with just the clear=20 channel stations but of course making every station stereo is better=20 but Extended Band and Clear Channel should definately be in Stereo. Matt --- In amstereoforum@y..., Johnny Electron =20 wrote: > Gentlemen: This is long, but please read it all. > I've given lots of thought to this, and I believe that we each MUST > write to the FCC about AM radio. >=20 > Here's a few suggestions, and please add your own. > 1) May I suggest we insist that the FCC, in the interest=20 of `national > security', that they need to leave the AM band ANALOG in the event=20 of > an emergency as it will always work; Tube AM radios are EMP-proof, > and the US gov't probably still has two old CONNELRAD Civil Defense > transmitters that can blast a million watts of analog AM half-way > across the country. AM is best for nationwide broadcasts with=20 radios > that can be assembled from a half-dozen scrap parts in the event of > an emergency IF the AM broadcast band remains ANALOG. > 2) No IBOC on the AM band, and only on FM "if" they can do it=20 without > interference! > 3) Since IBOC will not work 24/7 on the AM broadcast band, AMAX AM > Stereo MUST be used. Since the FCC gave FM stereo to be=20 competitive, > AM must now be given priority to remain a potential music medium=20 that > covers a large area. The FCC should insist that `all stations in=20 the > USA that are granted 1A Clear Channel frequencies =96 MUST transmit in > C-Quam Stereo AM within 6 months of this FCC Order" > 4) Regional stations between 5KW and 50KW will be required to > transmit in C-Quam AM Stereo within 1 year of this FCC order. > 5) Local stations transmitting with a power output of 250Watts or > less will be encouraged, but not required to transmit in Cquam AM > Stereo, or stations with night power below 100Watts, as well as > traffic information stations will be exempt. > 6) All receiver manufacturers that produce an FM Stereo radio for > sale in the USA will required to also provide AM Stereo within 2 > years of this order. > 7) All expanded band (1610-1710) stations will have only 6 months to > comply with the mandatory AM stereo transmission requirement, or=20 they > will have to forfeit their X-Band frequency.=20 > 8)Any other suggestions? We must act know before any other=20 broadcast > formats make this a moot point! >=20 > Scott =96 what is the best way for us to contact the FCC to get this=20 in > the works????? >=20 >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From dave_m1ctk@yahoo.co.uk Fri Apr 05 10:57:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dave_m1ctk@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 5 Apr 2002 18:57:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 44375 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2002 18:57:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2002 18:57:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2002 18:57:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2002 18:57:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 18:57:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FRance Bleu / TDF asking ME if stereo is back ?! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1326 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" X-Originating-IP: 213.121.66.134 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=70214876 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan It could be that France Bleu will do an 3MP. Before Stereo went from June 1998 to Sept 1999 :-( --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@y..., "amstereofan" <1377.3mp@s...> wrote: > > Seems a bit odd that I'm being asked to check if separation is > > present ? Surely the enginner(s) have a suitable c-quam receiver to > > check ? > > There may be a lack of communication between TDF (France's radio/TV > authority, like the FCC) and the engineers for the Paris transmitter > on 864 kHz. TDF runs many different radio networks in France, and > even France Bleu is broadcast on a network of 20 different AM > transmitters throughout the country. And considering its rarity in > Europe, the folks at TDF probably do not have AM Stereo receivers on > hand in order to check the 864 kHz signal. > > Nevertheless, I take it TDF has not specifically said to you that > France Bleu on 864 kHz has discontinued AM Stereo, so do not lose > hope. Please keep up updated if the AM Stereo returns or not. There > is also a very small chance that the engineers might want to "test" > the AM Stereo equipment on a different transmitter, so keep an eye on > the rest of the French AM stations that you are able to hear, if any > of them magically appear in Stereo! From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Fri Apr 05 13:13:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 5 Apr 2002 21:13:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 85516 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2002 21:13:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2002 21:13:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2002 21:13:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2002 21:13:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 21:13:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WFAN Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 958 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 63.21.221.70 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio No, trust me. The stereo is off for good. It was done to achieve more asymetrical modulation from the transmitters. Being a talk station, stereo wasn't a big issue. --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > > I believe The stereo is off forever at WFAN > > Please let us not give up hope. Co-owned Infinity station 1210 WPHT > was in mono for about 3 years before they returned to Stereo! So > anything is possible. > > Again, if anybody would like to contact 660 WFAN and ask them about > their lack of a Stereo signal, their office phone number during > business hours is (718) 706-7690. Through this number you should have > no trouble quickly getting in touch with a knowledgeable WFAN employee > to talk to about it. Both times I called, they were supportive of > AM Stereo and expressed absolutely no desire to purposely discontinue > Stereo broadcasts, so I think they just need a little encouragement! From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Fri Apr 05 13:14:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 5 Apr 2002 21:14:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 13345 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2002 21:13:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2002 21:13:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2002 21:13:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2002 21:13:59 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 21:13:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WFAN Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 958 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 63.21.221.70 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio No, trust me. The stereo is off for good. It was done to achieve more asymetrical modulation from the transmitters. Being a talk station, stereo wasn't a big issue. --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > > I believe The stereo is off forever at WFAN > > Please let us not give up hope. Co-owned Infinity station 1210 WPHT > was in mono for about 3 years before they returned to Stereo! So > anything is possible. > > Again, if anybody would like to contact 660 WFAN and ask them about > their lack of a Stereo signal, their office phone number during > business hours is (718) 706-7690. Through this number you should have > no trouble quickly getting in touch with a knowledgeable WFAN employee > to talk to about it. Both times I called, they were supportive of > AM Stereo and expressed absolutely no desire to purposely discontinue > Stereo broadcasts, so I think they just need a little encouragement! From smpoole7@bellsouth.net Fri Apr 05 13:20:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: smpoole7@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 5 Apr 2002 21:20:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 58793 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2002 21:20:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2002 21:20:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2002 21:20:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2002 21:20:09 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 21:20:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: 2 1/2 cents about AMS radios Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020405060812.18169.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 642 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "professorpoole" X-Originating-IP: 209.214.104.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25309165 X-Yahoo-Profile: professorpoole --- In amstereoforum@y..., joe elias wrote: > i just think motorola threw enough money around to get > their system approved. Remember, Magnavox, and *not* Motorola, was originally selected by the FCC. The FCC then made its horrid "marketplace" decision, only finally choosing Motorola's CQUAM many years later (after the receivers began disappearing). But even if what you said was true, would that not be the penultimate example of the *marketplace* at work? Kellogg's advertises, Joe's Breakfast Cereals doesn't, so Kellogg's sells more corn flakes. Isn't that how a free marketplace is *supposed* to work? :) From joen3wtv@yahoo.com Fri Apr 05 13:29:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: joen3wtv@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 5 Apr 2002 21:29:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 14738 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2002 21:29:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2002 21:29:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11701.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2002 21:29:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20020405212937.85334.qmail@web11701.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.155.45.121] by web11701.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Apr 2002 13:29:37 PST Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 13:29:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 2 1/2 cents about AMS radios To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: joe elias X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=35888484 X-Yahoo-Profile: joen3wtv of course,kellogs corn flakes can spend more money on advertising than can joes corn flakes.doesnt necessairly mean kellogs tastes better,theyve just spent money .your correct about the horrible market place decision that the fcc made.wheres am stereo at today.am radio was basically by rush limbaugh.the stations that carried rush quickly moved up in the ratings.the stations that carried him then dropped them fell off the map......joe --- professorpoole wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@y..., joe elias > wrote: > > > i just think motorola threw enough money around to > get > > their system approved. > > Remember, Magnavox, and *not* Motorola, was > originally selected by > the FCC. The FCC then made its horrid "marketplace" > decision, only > finally choosing Motorola's CQUAM many years later > (after the > receivers began disappearing). > > But even if what you said was true, would that not > be the > penultimate example of the *marketplace* at work? > Kellogg's > advertises, Joe's Breakfast Cereals doesn't, so > Kellogg's sells more > corn flakes. > > Isn't that how a free marketplace is *supposed* to > work? :) > > > > > ===== +++ PRAY THE ROSARY EVERYDAY +++ +++ O MARY CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN PRAY FOR US WHO HAVE RECOURSE TO THEE+++ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From n0uiheric@aol.com Fri Apr 05 13:39:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 5 Apr 2002 21:39:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 58149 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2002 21:39:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2002 21:39:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r08.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.104) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2002 21:39:48 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.1a4.3c02c4 (4008) for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 16:39:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1a4.3c02c4.29df7396@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 16:39:34 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Receiver Project (C. Crane Company ?) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih What about getting a few independent dealers to sell consumer radios with after-market AM Stereo conversions? 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From n0uiheric@aol.com Fri Apr 05 13:39:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 5 Apr 2002 21:39:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 75226 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2002 21:39:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2002 21:39:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r07.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.103) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2002 21:39:58 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.20.26bb7795 (4008) for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 16:39:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20.26bb7795.29df7394@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 16:39:32 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1160 WYNS format change To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Rumors are flying around St. Louis that they will also be losing it's FM Oldies station; the firing of morning show host J.C. Corcoran from 103.3 KLOU (owned by Crap Channel) might just signal a format change at the station. To that end, 1190 KRFT, located some 35 miles from St. Louis in De Soto, has been testing with Oldies. Although this station is a 5 kW mono daytimer, it would be a good candidate for AM Stereo. Another mono station with Oldies is 1480 WJBM in Jerseyville (that station, last I heard, is owned by Suzanne Brown, widow of longtime St. Louis DJ Gary "Records" Brown). If only we can get Crawford to buy a few of Crap Channel's stations! 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From joen3wtv@yahoo.com Fri Apr 05 13:56:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: joen3wtv@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 5 Apr 2002 21:56:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 64727 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2002 21:49:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2002 21:49:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11706.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2002 21:49:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20020405214932.84790.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.155.45.121] by web11706.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Apr 2002 13:49:32 PST Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 13:49:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: format change at oldies 99.9 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20.26bb7795.29df7394@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: joe elias X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=35888484 X-Yahoo-Profile: joen3wtv can anyone tell me what formate 99.9 in easton,pa changed to after it dropped its oldies format...joe --- n0uiheric@aol.com wrote: > Rumors are flying around St. Louis that they will > also be losing it's FM > Oldies station; the firing of morning show host J.C. > Corcoran from 103.3 KLOU > (owned by Crap Channel) might just signal a format > change at the station. To > that end, 1190 KRFT, located some 35 miles from St. > Louis in De Soto, has > been testing with Oldies. Although this station is a > 5 kW mono daytimer, it > would be a good candidate for AM Stereo. Another > mono station with Oldies is > 1480 WJBM in Jerseyville (that station, last I > heard, is owned by Suzanne > Brown, widow of longtime St. Louis DJ Gary "Records" > Brown). > If only we can get Crawford to buy a few of Crap > Channel's stations! > > 73 and good DX from Eric > Amateur Radio Station N0UIH > Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN > Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 > DXing The World since 1981 > Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel > PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION > "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 > Timothy 6:10 > ===== +++ PRAY THE ROSARY EVERYDAY +++ +++ O MARY CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN PRAY FOR US WHO HAVE RECOURSE TO THEE+++ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From n0uiheric@aol.com Fri Apr 05 14:18:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 5 Apr 2002 22:18:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 24842 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2002 22:17:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2002 22:17:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r03.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.99) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2002 22:17:14 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.162.ba94bc7 (4447) for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 17:16:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <162.ba94bc7.29df7c5b@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 17:16:59 EST Subject: Ex-Stereo Station To Switch Networks To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Some news on an ex-Stereo station: WSM 650 Nashville, TN is about to drop it's ABC affiliation for CBS. According to insiders at WSM, CBS was the only network available in the Nashville market, after Clear Channel and ABC cut a shady deal. ABC affiliation in Nashville will go to the former (mono) CBS affiliate, WLAC 1510. CBS programming may also air on WSM's news/talk (mono) FM, WWTN 99.7. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From n0uiheric@aol.com Fri Apr 05 14:23:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 5 Apr 2002 22:23:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 74947 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2002 22:21:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2002 22:21:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r06.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.102) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2002 22:21:43 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.f8.195eeb70 (4422) for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 17:21:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 17:21:35 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Write to the FCC by this time next week! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih What about all the AM stations that program primarily music (especially Christian music)? 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From jsgil@hal-pc.org Fri Apr 05 14:45:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 5 Apr 2002 22:45:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 67363 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2002 22:44:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2002 22:44:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2002 22:44:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2002 22:44:15 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 22:44:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: 2 1/2 cents about AMS radios Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020405060812.18169.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2664 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.75 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., joe elias wrote: > i just think motorola threw enough money around to get > their system approved.your probably correct.for radio > to survive am or fm,they need to bring back local > programming with local hosts.sattelite radio is > driving me nuts....joe > --- professorpoole wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@y..., joe elias > > wrote: > > > someone correctme.but i think the whole issue > > should > > > be left to the market place and not federal > > > regulation. > > > > I'm a free-market conservative of the first order, > > but you're not > > talking about a commodity here, you're talking about > > a technical > > standard. I don't have to imagine that chaos that > > results from this, > > because (as Scott pointed out) the historical record > > is clear on > > this very example: the FCC's "marketplace" decision > > effectively > > killed AM stereo. > > Yes it was a market place decision that had nothing to do with the public's choice. The FCC's final decision was based on the fact that the vast majority of radios and transmitters by the early 90's were C-QuAM and was the least painful choice. I guess that everybody was tired of not having an AMS standard after 20 years and is was a no brainer for them. You might say that Motorola bought themselves a standard that the didn't exactly earn. The premature decision by the FCC for AM/PM was base on technical evaluations which was based on shallow research and was the best from their point of view. Motorola C-QuAM was Johnny Come Lately while Kahn had the most experience. The 2 detractors for Kahn was receiver complexity and decoding was not the reverse of incoding. An ISB model in my opinion is the best approach when it comes to signal separation integrety under adverse conditions. Kahns approach was to have ISB and envelope compatibility plus the option to use 2 mono radios tuned to USB & LSB. His decision to use linear PM instead of QuAM probably had something to do with sideband separation for the 2 radio approach. If we didn't have to worry about envelope compatibility the most robust would be linear ISB generated with QuAM although a C-QuAM version of ISB wouldn't be bad either and would of addressed some of the problems of heavy single channel downward modulation C-QuAM has. Well all this is water under the bridge but if we had it to do all over again I think the FCC should have choose a standard that capitalized on the best features of the proposed systems. If we had to have envelope compatibility my personal choice would have been a ISB version of C-QuAM. JSG From davidcoons@webtv.net Fri Apr 05 14:47:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: davidcoons@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 5 Apr 2002 22:47:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 71190 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2002 22:45:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2002 22:45:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net) (209.240.198.118) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2002 22:45:44 -0000 Received: from storefull-2312.public.lawson.webtv.net (storefull-2312.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.212.220]) by mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id C0E7A32A for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 14:45:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-2312.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id OAA26944; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 14:45:41 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRpC6G5SVkUEJZohtV2yWwuewgj7QIUcNRxQaj72AEoWKE7KuCCOhGOC5M= Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 17:45:41 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Receiver Project (C. Crane Company ?) Message-ID: <4875-3CAE2915-893@storefull-2312.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "kevin" 's message of Fri, 5 Apr 2002 10:52:22 -0700 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-From: davidcoons@webtv.net (David Coons) From: davidcoons@webtv.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10533228 how about in the interest of keeping the radio a dx machine,leave the i.f. narrow but give it useable tone controls.the treble on the thing is centered at 10k..how about a midrange contol at 3-4k to give it added inteligability?and as with all sangean digital radios the distorton is way to high From jsgil@hal-pc.org Fri Apr 05 14:57:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 5 Apr 2002 22:57:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 5253 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2002 22:57:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2002 22:57:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2002 22:57:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2002 22:57:45 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 22:57:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Receiver Project (C. Crane Company ?) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4875-3CAE2915-893@storefull-2312.public.lawson.webtv.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 677 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.75 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., davidcoons@w... wrote: > how about in the interest of keeping the radio a dx machine,leave the > i.f. narrow but give it useable tone controls.the treble on the thing is > centered at 10k..how about a midrange contol at 3-4k to give it added > inteligability?and as with all sangean digital radios the distorton is > way to high The only problem with boosting the HF that was attenuated by a narrow filter is the loss of HF separation. The better approach is to use a wide filter and use a variable Q LC IF bandpass that the user can control. This like what is used in the Chrysler radios but is controlled automatically by the signal level. JSG From joen3wtv@yahoo.com Fri Apr 05 14:58:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: joen3wtv@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 5 Apr 2002 22:58:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 37486 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2002 22:58:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2002 22:58:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11706.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2002 22:58:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20020405225821.96488.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.155.45.25] by web11706.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Apr 2002 14:58:21 PST Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 14:58:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Write to the FCC by this time next week! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: joe elias X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=35888484 X-Yahoo-Profile: joen3wtv very good point.problem is most of the stations broadcasting christian music are low budget stations.the 2 stations we have here have advertising ,but i dont think generate much revenue...joe --- n0uiheric@aol.com wrote: > What about all the AM stations that program > primarily music (especially > Christian music)? > > 73 and good DX from Eric > Amateur Radio Station N0UIH > Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN > Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 > DXing The World since 1981 > Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel > PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION > "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 > Timothy 6:10 > ===== +++ PRAY THE ROSARY EVERYDAY +++ +++ O MARY CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN PRAY FOR US WHO HAVE RECOURSE TO THEE+++ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From joen3wtv@yahoo.com Fri Apr 05 14:59:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: joen3wtv@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 5 Apr 2002 22:59:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 20587 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2002 22:55:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2002 22:55:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11705.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2002 22:55:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20020405225543.47706.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.155.45.25] by web11705.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Apr 2002 14:55:43 PST Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 14:55:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 2 1/2 cents about AMS radios To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: joe elias X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=35888484 X-Yahoo-Profile: joen3wtv with that said i agree.....joe --- jsgilst wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@y..., joe elias > wrote: > > i just think motorola threw enough money around to > get > > their system approved.your probably correct.for > radio > > to survive am or fm,they need to bring back local > > programming with local hosts.sattelite radio is > > driving me nuts....joe > > --- professorpoole wrote: > > > --- In amstereoforum@y..., joe elias > > > > wrote: > > > > someone correctme.but i think the whole issue > > > should > > > > be left to the market place and not federal > > > > regulation. > > > > > > I'm a free-market conservative of the first > order, > > > but you're not > > > talking about a commodity here, you're talking > about > > > a technical > > > standard. I don't have to imagine that chaos > that > > > results from this, > > > because (as Scott pointed out) the historical > record > > > is clear on > > > this very example: the FCC's "marketplace" > decision > > > effectively > > > killed AM stereo. > > > > > > Yes it was a market place decision that had nothing > to do > with the public's choice. The FCC's final decision > was based > on the fact that the vast majority of radios and > transmitters > by the early 90's were C-QuAM and was the least > painful choice. > I guess that everybody was tired of not having an > AMS standard > after 20 years and is was a no brainer for them. You > might say > that Motorola bought themselves a standard that the > didn't > exactly earn. > > The premature decision by the FCC for AM/PM was base > on > technical evaluations which was based on shallow > research > and was the best from their point of view. Motorola > C-QuAM > was Johnny Come Lately while Kahn had the most > experience. > The 2 detractors for Kahn was receiver complexity > and > decoding was not the reverse of incoding. An ISB > model in > my opinion is the best approach when it comes to > signal > separation integrety under adverse conditions. Kahns > approach > was to have ISB and envelope compatibility plus the > option to > use 2 mono radios tuned to USB & LSB. His decision > to use > linear PM instead of QuAM probably had something to > do with > sideband separation for the 2 radio approach. > > If we didn't have to worry about envelope > compatibility the > most robust would be linear ISB generated with QuAM > although > a C-QuAM version of ISB wouldn't be bad either and > would of > addressed some of the problems of heavy single > channel > downward modulation C-QuAM has. > > Well all this is water under the bridge but if we > had it to do > all over again I think the FCC should have choose a > standard > that capitalized on the best features of the > proposed systems. > If we had to have envelope compatibility my personal > choice > would have been a ISB version of C-QuAM. > > JSG > > > > > > > ===== +++ PRAY THE ROSARY EVERYDAY +++ +++ O MARY CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN PRAY FOR US WHO HAVE RECOURSE TO THEE+++ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From davidcoons@webtv.net Fri Apr 05 15:07:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: davidcoons@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 5 Apr 2002 23:07:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 18549 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2002 23:05:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2002 23:05:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net) (209.240.198.119) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2002 23:05:41 -0000 Received: from storefull-2312.public.lawson.webtv.net (storefull-2312.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.212.220]) by mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AF553B4 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 15:05:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-2312.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id PAA27592; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 15:05:41 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQwmsESZn9pSAUzcIzcg6OgLmD71AIUDVKMTOCIyhmglKqKI7cecAXvbvc= Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 18:05:41 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Receiver Project (C. Crane Company ?) Message-ID: <4872-3CAE2DC5-1166@storefull-2312.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "jsgilst" 's message of Fri, 05 Apr 2002 22:57:41 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-From: davidcoons@webtv.net (David Coons) From: davidcoons@webtv.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10533228 in the 1930s high end companys built wideband radios with continuous variable bandwidth control..could that be done efectivly,letting the listener widen the i.f. to conform to reception conditions? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Apr 05 16:40:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 6 Apr 2002 00:40:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 54200 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2002 00:40:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2002 00:40:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2002 00:40:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2002 00:40:06 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 00:40:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Receiver Project (C. Crane Company ?) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007201c1dcca$a53b0e60$72f9bed8@kredding430cdt> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3939 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.164 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The CCRadio does say that its tailored for the human voice, and that > its sole purpose in life is to DX. You and I both know that to DX > the filters must be very narrow. Yes, but there is absolutely no reason they could have spent another 50 cents per unit to equip it with a separate ceramic filter for "Wide" mode to provide AMAX or near-AMAX sound on stronger stations. After all, the cherished Sony SRF-A100 uses the same 3 kHz filter in Narrow mode as the CCRadio uses, and it sounds pretty horrible but is great for DXing. But switch it to Wide mode, and it opens all the way up to a 12.5 kHz filter -- a bit too wide for today's band conditions, but still great sounding for local stations. But yet, even though they're already selling it for double the price of what it is actually worth, C.Crane says if they added selectable bandwidth and AM Stereo to the CCRadio, "the price increase to the consumer would be too high". That's B.S. (or "Bolshevik", as my history teacher liked to say) because if people are already paying $169.95 for the CCRadio as-is, they surely would not hesistate to spend $179.95 for a "CCRadio Gold" with AM Stereo and selectable AMAX bandwidth. > I do think that if they say it sounds better than the SR III its > bullshit but so far, at least for me, I haven't seen or heard them > say that. From the C.Crane Co. catalog, in the description for the GE Superadio III: "Audio quality is very good compared to any other AM/FM portable except perhaps our CCRadio Plus." > The DX-398 / ATS-909 sounds like crap but it picks up signals like > a vacuum. Same for the old DX-440 / ATS-803 and the DX-390 / ATS 818 > sound like crap, DX like hell. That is, if you can hear your desired signals underneath all the background hiss, which is actually more like a background "roar" because the bandwidth is so limited. I have used the DX-390 and like other modern solid-state radios, it "fakes" sensitivity by jacking up the AGC to an extra high level. That does allow it to bring in weaker signals, but they are often received with an objectionably high level of background noise, a good deal of which is caused by the radio's own electronic tuning and LCD display. I directly compared it to my vacuum tube Hallicrafters S-38C radio (circa early 1950s) and overall the Hallicrafters is more enjoyable to DX with because you get the classic "laid back" tube type sensitivity. The noise floor is amazingly low and the AGC action is well controlled. The weak signals may not come through as loud as the local stations, but if you turn up the volume, they *are* there and can be easily received with a very good signal-to-noise ratio. And of course the bandwidth is much wider, providing full AMAX sound on local AM stations, but it is still selective enough to distinctly pick up stations on shortwave that are as little as 5 kHz apart from each other. I may sound like an old vacuum tube radio die-hard, but it would be difficult for me to be that because my S-38C is at least 25 years older than I am. I simply have observed how it compares to today's solid-state radios and can easily tell the difference. If you can't hear the signal on a good vacuum tube radio with a good antenna and earth ground, you probably won't be able to hear it at all, no matter how fancy of a receiver you use. The high input impedance of vacuum tubes allows them to be extremely sensitive. In the solid-state world, you need to use high quality MOSFET transistors to approach this kind of sensitivity. > I have audiophile radios and DX radios. My point is that there is no reason the CCRadio can't be BOTH. All it takes is the addition of a bandwidth switch and AM Stereo. At most, the cost increase for manufacturing might be $5.00 per radio. But yet even though the CCRadio is already way overpriced, C.Crane thinks adding this would make it "cost too much". From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Apr 05 17:14:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 6 Apr 2002 01:14:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 22136 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2002 01:13:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2002 01:13:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2002 01:13:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2002 01:13:01 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 01:12:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Write to the FCC by this time next week! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020405184531.84360.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5279 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.164 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Let me politely suggest that since the FCC does not require FM or TV stations to broadcast in Stereo, there is no way they will require AM stations to broadcast in Stereo. Stereo is commonly used on FM and TV because a very large number of receivers support it. Everybody has an FM Stereo radio, and most better TVs and VCRs are Stereo. That is the key: ***receiver availability***. There are many hundreds of stations around the country that are capable of broadcasting in AM Stereo. I wouldn't be surprised if for every two stations currently broadcasting in AM Stereo, there is one station that has all the AM Stereo equipment ready to go, but leaves it off because they think not enough AM Stereo receivers are out there to make it worthwhile. If AM Stereo receivers become much more widely available, whether by choice or by FCC requirement, these stations WILL turn their Stereo back on, and other stations WILL upgrade to Stereo. They would be silly not to! I think if we are going to talk to the FCC, our main goals should be for them to: *1.* Reject IBOC on the AM band (and hopefully on FM as well!) and advocate C-Quam analog AM Stereo as the only preferred choice for high quality Stereo broadcasting on the AM band. *2.* Enforce their existing rule requiring Expanded Band stations that signed up for a "Stereo Preference" to broadcast in AM Stereo. However, for other stations, there shall be no specific requirement to broadcast in AM Stereo, because demand by consumers will dictate that objective, just as it does with FM Stereo and TV Stereo. And we have to be realistic that if AM Stereo were required by more AM stations, it would bring all the Kahn supporters out of the woodwork and stations would be screaming that since FM isn't required to be Stereo, they shouldn't be required to be AM Stereo. And what we don't need is more stations being vocal against the cause of AM Stereo! *3.* Enact minimum quality standards for AM receivers that are not too strict but are still effective enough to provide listeners with high quality AM radio. My suggestion has always been that radios **with digital tuning and FM Stereo** shall be required to also have AMAX certified AM Stereo. Reasons for this being: -- AMAX is already an established standard that was well conceived so there is no need to change it or abandon it. It would also provide continuity with the existing AMAX receivers. -- Radio makers are NOT going to revert to analog tuning or FM Mono tuners just to get around the AM Stereo requirement. The consumer demand for these two features is already too high. Hardly anybody buys analog tuning radios and/or FM Mono radios anymore except if they need a very low cost radio, so these radios shall continue to exist at the low-cost, low-performance end of the receiver spectrum. -- Radio makers would not be able to scream at us for requiring ALL of their radios to be AM Stereo, or that the addition of AM Stereo would make their radios too expensive, because they would still have the option of producing analog tuning radios, and/or radios without FM Stereo to get around the AMAX AM Stereo requirement. But as I mentioned, there is no consumer demand for analog tuning or FM Mono anymore. People expect digital tuning and FM Stereo so they shall expect AM Stereo on these radios as well! Again, there is no precedent for requiring radio stations to broadcast using any kind of extra services. AM, FM, and TV stations have never been required to be Stereo, FM has never been required to use RDS, and TV has never been required to use SAP or Closed Captioning, or even color video for that matter. The use of these technologies is strictly dictated by *consumer demand*, not by *FCC requirement*. However, there *is* a precedent for regulatign the design of *receivers*. Decades ago, TV sets were required to have UHF, even though it was not popularly used at the time (just as AM Stereo is now). And then in 1993, the FCC already enacted AM receiver standards in requiring all AM radios to cover the Expanded Band up to 1700 kHz. I did not hear any complaints about this, and although it involved re-engineering of the vast majority of radios sold in the USA, receiver manufacturers did not complain about it, and were all too happy to provide us with Expanded Band tuning, even years before the first Expanded Band station went on the air. And even more recently, TV sets above a certain display size (13 inches) were required to have Closed Caption decoding and "V-Chip" support. This is important that this is the first time the FCC enacted *selective criteria* in a receiver standard. They didn't require *all* TV sets to have Closed Caption decoding -- only those larger than a certain size, and thus also above a certain price level. This is the precedent for requiring AMAX AM Stereo not on *all* radios, but rather on radios that already have digital tuning and FM Stereo. So.... would it be great to have AM Stereo on ALL stations, and AMAX AM Stereo on ALL receivers? YES!!! But is that REALISTIC? NO!! I think my proposal is much more realistic, and would have a much better chance of being approved with a minimum of opposition. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Apr 05 17:19:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 6 Apr 2002 01:19:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 37022 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2002 01:19:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2002 01:19:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2002 01:19:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2002 01:19:06 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 01:19:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WFAN Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1185 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.164 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > No, trust me. The stereo is off for good. It was done to achieve > more asymetrical modulation from the transmitters. Being a talk > station, stereo wasn't a big issue. Have you received this response from WFAN, or are you just speculating? I think you are just perpetuating a myth about AM Stereo. There is NO reason why AM Stereo cannot be broadcast with the same maximum of +125% and -100% modulation as monaural AM. In both cases, positive modulation above 100% causes distortion, but it is not objectionable, especially since newer AM Stereo decoders are more refined and can actually reduce the amount of distortion a station is putting out. 660 WFAN has one of the best AM signals in the northeast USA. It already far exceeds their targeted coverage area. And if they wanted to drop Stereo, they would have done that a long time ago. But as the nation's most highly rated and most lucrative Sports Talk station, they would have absolutely nothing to gain from doing so. When I called WFAN, the engineer said to me that they would "DEFINITELY" be back in Stereo after they get these transmitter problems sorted out. We shall hold them to their word! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Apr 05 17:29:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 6 Apr 2002 01:29:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 86363 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2002 01:29:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2002 01:29:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2002 01:29:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2002 01:29:09 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 01:29:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: format change at oldies 99.9 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020405214932.84790.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1999 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.164 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > can anyone tell me what formate 99.9 in easton,pa changed to after > it dropped its oldies format...joe They are now one of the most boring, stale, and lifeless Classic Rock formats I have ever heard, as "99-9 The Hawk". The call letters are still WODE. The music selection is horrible -- WAY too much Eagles and Fleetwood Mac -- and the music sounds like it is being played from 64 kbps RealAudio files. The quality is so low it is ridiculous. They are "Stereo" but if you listen to the L-R (Stereo difference) component you can hear all the garbage from the "lossy" compression in it. It's about as bad as what XM Satellite Radio sounds like (which uses 64 kbps for their music stations -- it *is* Stereo, but the quality is very low). Actually, at first 99.9 WODE wanted to call the new format "The River", but then Clear Channel complained because they use "The River" as a name for their own Classic Rock stations, including WRVV in Harrisburg, PA (which is actually quite good). So they stumbled around and decided to call it "The Hawk", even though the screaming bird sound effect they use is not an actual hawk! (I believe it is from an eagle, but they don't care about the difference.) And then less than a month later, they took co-owned Oldies station 94.5 WNJO in Trenton, NJ (also 50,000 watts like WODE) and flipped it to an EXACT duplicate of "The Hawk" format. They literally just took the computerized music collection of "The Hawk" on WODE and just copied it over, with the same liners and everything, except with "99-9" changed to "94-5" in the IDs. It's not a simulcast but it's about as close as you can get. And I do think this is part of a larger trend. FM stations are dumping Oldies, just as they dumped Adult Standards a decade ago. The audience is ageing and it just isn't making enough money for them anymore. So, it is being moved from big FM stations to small AM stations. We will be seeing more of this around the country! From cboone@earthlink.net Fri Apr 05 18:46:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cboone@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 6 Apr 2002 02:46:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 31630 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2002 02:44:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2002 02:44:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.62) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2002 02:44:13 -0000 Received: from sdn-ap-006txhousp1263.dialsprint.net ([63.185.116.247] helo=earthlink.net) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16tgBX-00034J-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 05 Apr 2002 18:44:12 -0800 Message-ID: <3CAE63E1.194AF034@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 20:56:33 -0600 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: format change at oldies 99.9 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: cboone@earthlink.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173263 Kevin, XM does NOT use 64KB for music.....they are using at least 192KB and possibly more...personally and professionally, they dont sound bad....(I prefer CD quality but it aint gonna happen!)... Compared to a lot of FM stations, they sound pretty damn good! As for AM stereo, forget it...its a dead issue folks.... The Kahn system suffered from poor high end separation....and freq response due to the reactance of the antennas... I WAS a Kahn proponent....but now feel the CQUAM is probably better in the long run (yes I went through moments of plateau shift!!! WHEW!).....but lets face it, BROADCASTERS will NOT run stereo as it is more of a pain for AMers to do so....they need a stereo STL (most AMs use a 8 or 15 kHz broadcast loop...or a single MONO STL) and the stereo monitor to properly monitor the audio...given that a majority of AM stations are talk/news/sports, they arent gonna give a crap about stereo now...I agree the exbanded band stations (at least those with music!) should be running stereo...but lets face it...REALITY SUCKS and so does real life...AM stereo is not coming back...it will never be the AM champion it COULD have been (pity as I still enjoy AM stations and working on AM xmtrs from the MW-1 to the Gates 5 to the DX50 and the CEC 317s! :) Chris (WB5ITT) FORMER Cheap Channel Chief Engineer Broadcast and Telecom Engineer SBE member Houston kevtronics wrote: > component you can hear all the garbage from the "lossy" compression in > it. It's about as bad as what XM Satellite Radio sounds like (which > uses 64 kbps for their music stations -- it *is* Stereo, but the > quality is very low). From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Apr 05 19:17:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 6 Apr 2002 03:17:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 98696 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2002 03:14:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2002 03:14:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2002 03:14:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2002 03:14:50 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 03:14:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: format change at oldies 99.9 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3CAE63E1.194AF034@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2728 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.164 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > XM does NOT use 64KB for music.....they are using at least 192KB > and possibly more No. XM is using 64 kbps Stereo for music channels with "AAC Plus" compression. Talk channels are mono and use a lower bit-rate. XM only has 4 MHz of spectrum space in which to fit 100 channels. They could not possibly use 192 kbps and fit everything within this space. XM also uses Omnia audio processing for all channels. Sirius uses Orban Optimod audio processing but I have no info on their bit-rate(s) and digital compression technique. > As for AM stereo, forget it...its a dead issue folks.... Well, do you have any better idea for accomodating the public demand for higher quality Stereo sound on AM radio? *IBOC* is the "dead issue" here, as its performance is unacceptably poor, and it cannot be reengineered to improve its performance without losing its claimed advantage in Stereo sound quality over analog AM Stereo. DRM in Europe works better but it is both Mono-only and is not compatible with regular analog receivers. AM Stereo is not perfect. But neither is FM Stereo, TV Stereo, NTSC video, VHS videotapes, or even Windows computers. But given the complete lack of acceptable alternatives, we should embrace it and make the best out of it. That is what hundreds of AM Stereo stations and millions of AM Stereo listeners have been doing for the past two decades, and is what we shall continue to do until something better comes along. So are you in or out? I am glad you have decided to participate here, but this is a Forum for AM Stereo enthusiasts. We can take as good as we give, but this is not a place for AM Stereo "bashing" or doomsday predictions. This is not the 8-Track Tape forum. AM Stereo does have a very colourful past, but that is not the be-all and end-all of it, and it is far from "dead". AM Stereo has a present and future as well, and we will continue to support it as long as it supports us. People have been saying "AM Stereo is dead" as far back as the mid 1980s. That has been a common mantra since then, and every year we continue to prove them wrong. Honestly, when I first got involved in AM Stereo in 1995, I had no idea it would still be around in 2002. I thought by now everything would be Digital. But it's not, and it's not going to ever be, because Digital just don't work right on AM. As I have been saying all along: AM Stereo is here. It works reasonably well for its intended purpose. It is economical to implement, both for stations and for receivers. And its existing base of support is nothing to sneeze at, with millions of AM Stereo radios sold in the past two decades. So why not use it, and make the best of it? From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Apr 05 19:30:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 6 Apr 2002 03:30:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 14008 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2002 03:26:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2002 03:26:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2002 03:26:45 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-213.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.213]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g363QAdl028065 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 21:26:14 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <009301c1dc86$f1dff800$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <4872-3CAE2DC5-1166@storefull-2312.public.lawson.webtv.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Receiver Project (C. Crane Company ?) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 03:03:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude With today's technology, that should be fairly easy. It could be as easy as having either a variable resistor across an IF tank circuit, or variable cap across a ceramic filter. It would have to be ganged with another pot to adjust for loss of gain when lowering the circuit Q. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 5:05 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Receiver Project (C. Crane Company ?) > in the 1930s high end companys built wideband radios with continuous > variable bandwidth control..could that be done efectivly,letting the > listener widen the i.f. to conform to reception conditions? > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Apr 05 19:31:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 6 Apr 2002 03:31:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 85842 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2002 03:26:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2002 03:26:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2002 03:26:48 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-213.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.213]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g363QAdn028065 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 21:26:17 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <009401c1dc86$f39bffe0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020405184531.84360.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Write to the FCC by this time next week! Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 03:35:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Most of what you suggested is just a pipe dream as Kevin already pointed out, but I think your idea of leaving AM analog for the reasons you mentioned is very insightful. I doubt they still have any monster Conelrad transmitters, though. As far as requiring FMS-equipped receivers to have AMS, that is already a part of my petition. Since the FCC has not opened a comment window for AM-IBOC, anything you write to them regarding it should be done under your comments about my petition, or if you've already written, supplemental comments about the same. For those of you who are new to the discussion, I co-wrote a petition to the FCC a couple years ago with the help of Larry Langford of WGTO radio. (I've lost track of where the thing can be found on the web! Is it still on amstereoradio.com?) Instead of regurgitating what's there, please go and read it yourself. Should you care to file comments, you should reference the "Petition for Mandatory AM Receiver Standards" as written by Scott Todd and Larry Langford, since the FCC has not yet assigned an RM or docket number to it. I don't know if the FCC electronic filing system will accept comments without docket or RM numbers; I know it didn't a few years ago. If not, type it up using THE EXACT FORMAT YOU SEE THE PETITION WRITTEN. Send the signed original plus at least 12 copies, one for each commissioner and a few for their staff, to the FCC. I can't emphasize this enough- the more people that comment positively, the more likely it will happen. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Johnny Electron !> Here's a few suggestions, and please add your own. > 1) May I suggest we insist that the FCC, in the interest of 'national > security', that they need to leave the AM band ANALOG in the event of > an emergency as it will always work; Tube AM radios are EMP-proof, > and the US gov't probably still has two old CONNELRAD Civil Defense > transmitters that can blast a million watts of analog AM half-way > across the country. > 6) All receiver manufacturers that produce an FM Stereo radio for > sale in the USA will required to also provide AM Stereo within 2 > years of this order. > > > Scott - what is the best way for us to contact the FCC to get this in > the works????? > From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Apr 05 19:31:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 6 Apr 2002 03:31:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 59287 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2002 03:27:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2002 03:27:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2002 03:27:23 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-213.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.213]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g363QAdp028065 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 21:26:20 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <009501c1dc87$08a96760$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Write to the FCC by this time next week! Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 03:46:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Kevin, you're my hero. You said it better than I could. A lot of stations would howl loud and long if forced to convert to stereo, including the company I work for. Most of them would have to add an extra STL, and that isn't all that cheap. Even if they upgraded to composite STL to avoid putting up another dish, not all existing systems can handle composite, plus they'd need at least an amplifier on the transmitter to keep the S/N ratio up. It is as I've been harping on more and more lately- it's all about receivers, receivers, receivers! Once AMS radios are out there, stations would be nuts to stay mono. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics > Let me politely suggest that since the FCC does not require FM or TV > stations to broadcast in Stereo, there is no way they will require AM > stations to broadcast in Stereo. > > That is the key: ***receiver availability***. > > *2.* Enforce their existing rule requiring Expanded Band stations that > signed up for a "Stereo Preference" to broadcast in AM Stereo. > > stations would be screaming that since FM isn't required to be Stereo, > they shouldn't be required to be AM Stereo. And what we don't need is > more stations being vocal against the cause of AM Stereo! > > *3.* Enact minimum quality standards for AM receivers that are not too > strict but are still effective enough to provide listeners with high > quality AM radio. My suggestion has always been that radios **with > digital tuning and FM Stereo** shall be required to also have AMAX > certified AM Stereo. From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Apr 05 19:50:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 6 Apr 2002 03:50:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 43394 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2002 03:26:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2002 03:26:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2002 03:26:42 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-213.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.213]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g363QAdj028065 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 21:26:12 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <009201c1dc86$f04d2300$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <007201c1dcca$a53b0e60$72f9bed8@kredding430cdt> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Receiver Project (C. Crane Company ?) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 02:59:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude This sounds like it's out of the Yugo* handbook, but I was thinking exactly the same thing- buying the rights to produce an existing mold. ST *fer all you young'uns out there that may not understand what this old-timer's talkin' about, the Yugo was a cheap econobox car made in Yugoslavia (since broken up into the several ethnically different baltic states) and the tooling for them were some discontinued French model cars (Peugeot, IIRC.) Feel free to correct me on that last detail. Yugos suffered from horrible quality control and the company folded after not too many years. ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin We have to build the guts first > and make the case from the guts or get some used molds and build the guts > to fit. > > One way or the other we gotta figure out the cases. > From joen3wtv@yahoo.com Fri Apr 05 20:24:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: joen3wtv@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 6 Apr 2002 04:24:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 30923 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2002 04:21:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2002 04:21:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11707.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2002 04:21:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20020406042117.41920.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.155.45.131] by web11707.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Apr 2002 20:21:17 PST Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 20:21:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} thanks for the answer to oldies 99.9 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: joe elias X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=35888484 X-Yahoo-Profile: joen3wtv so put the oldies on am that be fine.personally im a jazz fan .id have no problem listening to a smooth jazz format on am.the only thing i really miss about pennsylvania was smooth jazz 106.1 fm in philly.i got to hating the climate in eastern pa.thats what prompted the move to south carolina....joe --- kevtronics wrote: > > can anyone tell me what formate 99.9 in easton,pa > changed to after > > it dropped its oldies format...joe > > They are now one of the most boring, stale, and > lifeless Classic Rock > formats I have ever heard, as "99-9 The Hawk". The > call letters are > still WODE. The music selection is horrible -- WAY > too much Eagles > and Fleetwood Mac -- and the music sounds like it is > being played from > 64 kbps RealAudio files. The quality is so low it > is ridiculous. > They are "Stereo" but if you listen to the L-R > (Stereo difference) > component you can hear all the garbage from the > "lossy" compression in > it. It's about as bad as what XM Satellite Radio > sounds like (which > uses 64 kbps for their music stations -- it *is* > Stereo, but the > quality is very low). > > Actually, at first 99.9 WODE wanted to call the new > format "The > River", but then Clear Channel complained because > they use "The River" > as a name for their own Classic Rock stations, > including WRVV in > Harrisburg, PA (which is actually quite good). So > they stumbled > around and decided to call it "The Hawk", even > though the screaming > bird sound effect they use is not an actual hawk! > (I believe it is > from an eagle, but they don't care about the > difference.) > > And then less than a month later, they took co-owned > Oldies station > 94.5 WNJO in Trenton, NJ (also 50,000 watts like > WODE) and flipped it > to an EXACT duplicate of "The Hawk" format. They > literally just took > the computerized music collection of "The Hawk" on > WODE and just > copied it over, with the same liners and everything, > except with > "99-9" changed to "94-5" in the IDs. It's not a > simulcast but it's > about as close as you can get. > > And I do think this is part of a larger trend. FM > stations are > dumping Oldies, just as they dumped Adult Standards > a decade ago. The > audience is ageing and it just isn't making enough > money for them > anymore. So, it is being moved from big FM stations > to small AM > stations. We will be seeing more of this around the > country! > > > ===== +++ PRAY THE ROSARY EVERYDAY +++ +++ O MARY CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN PRAY FOR US WHO HAVE RECOURSE TO THEE+++ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From joen3wtv@yahoo.com Fri Apr 05 20:34:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: joen3wtv@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 6 Apr 2002 04:34:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 18675 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2002 04:30:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2002 04:30:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11704.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2002 04:30:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20020406043014.62867.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.155.45.131] by web11704.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Apr 2002 20:30:14 PST Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 20:30:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WFAN[a question regarding wfan] To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: joe elias X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=35888484 X-Yahoo-Profile: joen3wtv is wfan owned by clear channel.the answer to them returning to stereo might lie with ownership of the station.....joe --- kevtronics wrote: > > No, trust me. The stereo is off for good. It was > done to achieve > > more asymetrical modulation from the transmitters. > Being a talk > > station, stereo wasn't a big issue. > > Have you received this response from WFAN, or are > you just > speculating? > > I think you are just perpetuating a myth about AM > Stereo. There is > NO reason why AM Stereo cannot be broadcast with the > same maximum of > +125% and -100% modulation as monaural AM. In both > cases, positive > modulation above 100% causes distortion, but it is > not objectionable, > especially since newer AM Stereo decoders are more > refined and can > actually reduce the amount of distortion a station > is putting out. > > 660 WFAN has one of the best AM signals in the > northeast USA. It > already far exceeds their targeted coverage area. > And if they wanted > to drop Stereo, they would have done that a long > time ago. But as the > nation's most highly rated and most lucrative Sports > Talk station, > they would have absolutely nothing to gain from > doing so. > > When I called WFAN, the engineer said to me that > they would > "DEFINITELY" be back in Stereo after they get these > transmitter > problems sorted out. We shall hold them to their > word! > > > ===== +++ PRAY THE ROSARY EVERYDAY +++ +++ O MARY CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN PRAY FOR US WHO HAVE RECOURSE TO THEE+++ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Apr 05 20:52:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 6 Apr 2002 04:52:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 59027 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2002 04:48:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2002 04:48:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2002 04:48:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2002 04:48:26 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 04:48:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Write to the FCC by this time next week! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <009401c1dc86$f39bffe0$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 150 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.164 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > (I've lost track of where the thing can be found on the web! Is it > still on amstereoradio.com?) There is a link to it on the "Resources" page. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Fri Apr 05 21:02:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 6 Apr 2002 05:02:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 48040 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2002 04:57:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2002 04:57:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2002 04:57:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2002 04:57:31 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 04:57:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Receiver Project (C. Crane Company ?) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <009301c1dc86$f1dff800$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 845 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.130.0 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Scott Todd" wrote: > With today's technology, that should be fairly easy. It could be as easy as > having either a variable resistor across an IF tank circuit, or variable cap > across a ceramic filter. It would have to be ganged with another pot to > adjust for loss of gain when lowering the circuit Q. > > ST Actually the gain issue is not really an issue since increasing the Q increases the gain while decreasing the bandwidth. This is exactly what you want as it allows a greater range on top of the AGC. At full Q and minimum BW the added gain would be around +9db over wide mode just what you need when narrowband DXing. A strong station would would use the wide mode and thus not need that extra gain. This is exactly how the variable if bandwidth AGC circuit works in the MC13022. JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Apr 05 21:14:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 6 Apr 2002 05:14:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 31792 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2002 05:09:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2002 05:09:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2002 05:09:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2002 05:09:16 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 05:09:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Receiver Project (C. Crane Company ?) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <009201c1dc86$f04d2300$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1778 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.164 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > *fer all you young'uns out there that may not understand what this > old-timer's talkin' about, the Yugo was a cheap econobox car made in > Yugoslavia (since broken up into the several ethnically different > baltic states) and the tooling for them were some discontinued > French model cars (Peugeot, IIRC.) Feel free to correct me on that > last detail. Yugos suffered from horrible quality control and the > company folded after not too many years. The "Yugo" car sold in the USA was based on the Fiat 127, an Italian economy car that itself was sold here in the 1970s. The inherent design of the car was actually quite sturdy. But the problem as you mention was quality control. Yugos were sold in the USA starting in 1985 and initially were extremely popular for their low price but when they started having quality problems, sales went downhill fast, and by 1989 the U.S. distributor of Yugo filed for bankruptcy protection. They stopped importing Yugos to the USA in 1991 and then closed their doors in 1992. The company that builds Yugo cars is actually still in business, and is actually even still making the same model of car that was sold as the Yugo in the USA. They claim the quality is much improved now, and the factory is said to meet ISO 9000 standards. A friend of mine actually considered a new Yugo in 1986. Instead, he bought a Hyundai, which was only a little better. It lasted only about 70,000 miles before he replaced it with a new Volkswagen in 1991, which he still has today at over 160,000 miles. Required AM Stereo content of this message: Yugo actually had their own factory AM/FM/cassette car radio, with the Yugo logo on it. And being introduced in the mid 1980s, who knows... it might have even had AM Stereo! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Apr 05 21:25:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 6 Apr 2002 05:25:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 88025 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2002 05:17:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2002 05:17:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2002 05:17:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2002 05:17:25 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 05:17:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WFAN[a question regarding wfan] Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020406043014.62867.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1016 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.164 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > is wfan owned by clear channel.the answer to them returning to > stereo might lie with ownership of the station.....joe 660 WFAN is owned by CBS/Infinity, the same company that turned the AM Stereo at 1210 WPHT *back on* after being in mono for 3 years in order to enhance the quality of their music programs. However, unlike the FM station in Philly that this music used to be on (96.5 WWDB), WPHT broadcasts in Stereo full time, not just during the music. WWDB was in Mono during talk programs to increase their signal coverage. With AM Stereo, there is no loss of loudness or coverage area, so WPHT keeps it on full-time, even during news, talk, and sports programming. p.s. It would be appreciated if you could trim your messages when replying in order to reduce clutter and conserve system resources. In the future please delete the parts of the message you are replying to (the text indicated by a ">" mark in front of each line) that are not specifically relevant to your message. Thanks. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Apr 05 23:17:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 6 Apr 2002 07:17:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 33654 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2002 07:17:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2002 07:17:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2002 07:17:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2002 07:17:34 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 07:17:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Write to the FCC by this time next week! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020405184531.84360.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2658 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.164 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Tube AM radios are EMP-proof, and the US gov't probably still has > two old CONNELRAD Civil Defense transmitters that can blast a > million watts of analog AM half-way across the country. CONELRAD (CONtrol of ELectromagnetic RADiation) was a national network of transmitters on 640 and 1240 kHz (indicated by triangle "Civil Defense" symbols on radio dials). In times of emergency, regular radio stations were supposed to sign off the air and these CONELRAD stations would go on the air to give emergency information. Somewhere I have a car owner's manual from the 1950s and in the radio section it actually says something to the effect of "after a nuclear bomb explosion, tune your radio to the triangle symbol to receive emergency information from Civil Defense stations". CONELRAD was replaced with the Emergency Broadasting System (EBS) which used regular radio and TV stations and that annoying off-key "alert tone" (I'm sure you all remember "This is only a test.... BEEEEEEEP!"). EBS has since been replaced with the Emergency Alert System (EAS), which ironically was never used on the one day it could have actually been used for its intended purpose (9/11/01). Before EBS, one planned replacement for CONELRAD involved a network of ten *Longwave* stations across the country to provide emergency information. One test station, WGU-20 on 179 kHz in Chase, Maryland, was actually built before the project was scrapped in favor of EBS. WGU-20 was claimed to be using the first ever all-solid-state 50,000 watt AM transmitter. Here was the planned nationwide network of longwave stations, each at 50,000 watts on 167, 179, and 191 kHz: Chase, MD; Maynard, MA; Mount Joy, PA; Gray, ME; Morristown, TN; Starke or Chiefland, FL; Mazomanie, WI; Carthage, Marshal, or Seagoville, TX; Alcova or Riverton, WY; Mendota or Selma, CA; Winslow, AZ; Hermiston, OR; and Wallula, WA. For more information on this very interesting relic of the Cold War, go to: http://coldwardc.homestead.com/files/PER/WGU20.html BTW, the government claims that NOAA Weather Radio on 162 MHz VHF is the modern day equivalent of this never-built Longwave emergency info network. Last I heard, some AM stations in South America on 640 and 1240 kHz are still using old CONELRAD transmitters that were shipped down there after the system was abandoned. And speaking of a "million watts", the Blaw-Knox towers used by 650 WSM and 700 WLW were designed to handle 750,000 watts. WSM even wanted to use 750 kW for a while but of course the FCC said no. And WLW kept their 500,000 watt transmitter operational well into the 1980s. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Apr 06 00:09:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 6 Apr 2002 08:09:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 5020 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2002 08:09:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2002 08:09:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2002 08:09:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2002 08:09:42 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 08:09:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Thank You Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 714 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Announce: yes From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.164 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I would just like to say thank you to all the members of The AM Stereo Forum. In its first six months of existence, the participation and amount of activity here has exceeded all of my expectations. The number of messages posted is growing by leaps and bounds -- March just had more than double the amount of messages as February. This is by far the most active AM Stereo discussion group the Internet has ever seen. And as its caretaker, I'd like it to continue that way for a long time. So if any of you have any suggestions for me, both about this Forum and about the www.AMStereoRadio.com web site, just e-mail me and let me know. I'm always willing to listen. Kevin Tekel kevtronics@yahoo.com From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Apr 06 00:58:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 6 Apr 2002 08:58:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 78183 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2002 08:58:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2002 08:58:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2002 08:58:03 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.26]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 03:58:23 -0500 Message-ID: <002101c1dd48$5fd0fc80$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Yugo radios Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 03:52:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Yugo radios were supplied by Spark-O-Matic of Milford, PA. They had a spectacular outdoor tent sale a few years ago, and were selling leftover Yugo factory radios for $10.00 each!- (no ams, sadly) The Spark-O-Matic factory was destroyed by fire 3 years ago, and is now rebuilt as the headquarters of Altec USA. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics > Required AM Stereo content of this message: Yugo actually had their > own factory AM/FM/cassette car radio, with the Yugo logo on it. And > being introduced in the mid 1980s, who knows... it might have even had > AM Stereo! From dav259@csiro.au Sat Apr 06 02:18:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 6 Apr 2002 10:18:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 86890 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2002 10:18:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2002 10:18:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2002 10:18:23 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13541 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 20:18:21 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 20:18:21 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: The I A A A S In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Sat, 6 Apr 2002, kevtronics wrote: > I would just like to say thank you to all the members of The AM Stereo > Forum. In its first six months of existence, the participation and > amount of activity here has exceeded all of my expectations. Me Too 3XY! Kevin - you are running a good list - and great things might be happening - particularly if many of us take Johnny Electron's words to heart! Why won't you Yankee's bother to contact your local representatives? I'd be dishonest if I didn't tell you all that I feel uncomfortable on this list. I'm not sure where it's going ... but it seems to be in the right diredction. At least Chris is here! But I must admit - I did like the iaaas list - because we had a name that to me said everything - and most messages on that list weren't too technical. We had a lot of waffle - and we did some good. It's an awful shame that it's collapsed. For one reason or another Dennis has banned me from his "new" list - reliable sources have said that this was because of my "divisive behavour". Can anyone shed any light on this? A few on this list have joined Dennis' new list Can you please ask Dennis what it is/was that I have done wrong? I'd really like to know. But - I guess deep down Dennis' list is finished. And to me - that's a shame. But what of the - I A A A S ? - It appears Dennis has dropped the ball on this. He doesn't want it anynore. This needs discussion ... Just between you me and the gatepost - I reckon it's OURS! Ian IAAAS Macqurie National News Melbourne From amfmdx@fastq.com Sat Apr 06 09:27:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 6 Apr 2002 17:27:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 9399 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2002 17:27:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2002 17:27:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2002 17:27:44 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d28-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.60]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g36HRgn33531 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 10:27:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <00d401c1dd8f$ec990e40$3cf9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Receiver Project (C. Crane Company ?) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 10:24:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 > Yes, but there is absolutely no reason they could have spent another > 50 cents per unit to equip it with a separate ceramic filter for > "Wide" mode to provide AMAX or near-AMAX sound on stronger stations. They would have to put a real speaker in it also to make it happen. I still think you are comparing apples and oranges. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From rfinder@telusplanet.net Sat Apr 06 09:28:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rfinder@telusplanet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 6 Apr 2002 17:28:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 58014 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2002 17:28:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2002 17:28:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2002 17:28:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2002 17:28:30 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 17:28:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Read This! Reply from CFCW 790 camrose Engineer!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 137 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "i2thesky2001" X-Originating-IP: 142.59.22.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public I'm surprised nobody had a comment about exciters being 'unstable at low temperatures'. Come now gentlemen! i need to hear your $0.02!! From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Apr 06 09:38:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 6 Apr 2002 17:38:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 75547 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2002 17:38:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2002 17:38:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2002 17:38:04 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-201.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.201]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g36Havdj023692 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 11:37:32 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <002101c1dcfd$dfc2b280$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Write to the FCC by this time next week! Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 17:58:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I don't think it was the 80s; 70s maybe. I was there in 82 and the big rig was gathering dust and partially disassembled. Their 1927 Western Electric 50kW which was used as the driver for the 500kW amp is still in operation, and they decided to put it on the air when the calendar turned over to the year 2000. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics > And > WLW kept their 500,000 watt transmitter operational well into the > 1980s. From cboone@earthlink.net Sat Apr 06 11:43:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cboone@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 6 Apr 2002 19:43:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 37261 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2002 19:43:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2002 19:43:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.22) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2002 19:43:12 -0000 Received: from sdn-ap-022txhousp1999.dialsprint.net ([65.177.39.221] helo=earthlink.net) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16tw5f-0006DT-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 06 Apr 2002 11:43:12 -0800 Message-ID: <3CAF528E.AB5D5CC8@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 13:54:54 -0600 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Write to the FCC by this time next week! References: <002101c1dcfd$dfc2b280$d3a9fea9@me> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: cboone@earthlink.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173263 I don't think the 500KW was maintained much after the 40s...the 1/2 Megawatt system was only used for 3 years anyway until STA.. It was never run again on the air after that....the tubes and other 1930's components were impossible to find.....(considering the special rarity of such a beast!)....how they are able to keep that WE xmtr in shape is beyond me....and they did run it from Dec 31 to 1/1/2000. The old modulation scheme was not as hot as the current xmtr (a new HArris 3DX-50) and the original DX-50 is now the backup...with the WE as secondary backup...and I think they removed the Continental that was there)....I took a walk though tour of the place in 2000 while at Dayton...a number of Jacor/Clear Channel engineers were offered the tour by Paul Jellison, Egr Manager of Clear Channel, Cinci...who owns WLW.... BTW the tower there now costs MORE to paint than it did when originally built! Chris Scott Todd wrote: > > I don't think it was the 80s; 70s maybe. I was there in 82 and the big rig > was gathering dust and partially disassembled. Their 1927 Western Electric > 50kW which was used as the driver for the 500kW amp is still in operation, > and they decided to put it on the air when the calendar turned over to the > year 2000. From n0uiheric@aol.com Sat Apr 06 13:18:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 6 Apr 2002 21:18:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 97982 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2002 21:18:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2002 21:18:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r03.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.99) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2002 21:18:57 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.d8.1601aaff (3891) for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 16:18:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 16:18:49 EST Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Write to the FCC by this time next week! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih What about all the AM stations that program primarily music (especially Christian music)? 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Apr 06 16:25:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 7 Apr 2002 00:25:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 82869 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2002 00:25:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2002 00:25:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2002 00:25:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2002 00:25:47 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 00:25:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: sign-off DX / 570 WMCA Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1173 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.140 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I was doing some dial scanning with my Sony SRF-A100 (and Terk AM Advantage) around 6:45 PM this evening when I happened to hear the sign-off announcement of 760 WCHP in Champlain, NY. I thought I was hearing WJR until this proved otherwise. WCHP is 35,000 watts daytime, but it is aimed mostly northward. They are licensed for a whole 11 watts at night, but I guess they wisely choose to not use it. Unfortunately with my "forced Stereo" Sony I didn't get a chance to check if they were putting out an AM Stereo pilot or not. Also, when tuned to local 570 WMCA (New York, NY) in forced C-Quam Stereo mode, I hear occasional crackling noises coming from the right channel only. WMCA has never been in Stereo as far as I can remember, but these noises were definitely coming from their transmitter. Is it possible they have a C-Quam exciter in their transmission chain, but only feed it with mono audio and have the pilot tone turned off? By the way, WCMA is owned by Salem.... and hearing about their lack of support for AM Stereo, it is possible that Salem may posses a Stereo exciter at WMCA but choose to run it in this completely Mono manner.... From di316@freenet.carleton.ca Sat Apr 06 18:51:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: di316@ncf.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 7 Apr 2002 02:51:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 61790 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2002 02:51:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2002 02:51:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts23-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.185) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2002 02:51:55 -0000 Received: from ncf.ca ([64.230.16.96]) by tomts23-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020407025152.GKDJ17832.tomts23-srv.bellnexxia.net@ncf.ca> for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 21:51:52 -0500 Message-ID: <3CAFB450.A3A40CC3@ncf.ca> Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 21:52:00 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Recommendations for AM Antennas and Tape Recorders? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: Paul Cumming From: Paul Cumming X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=43835445 X-Yahoo-Profile: rahoule104 Hello, folks. I'd like some advice. First, I would like to get a Select-A-Tenna. I'm thinking of buying the top model -- the 541-S. Which of the three models displayed at www.selectatenna.com would you recommend? I have a Radio Shack DX-398 which has an 1/8-inch jack on the side for an external AM antenna. Can I just use a generic 1/8-inch mono patch cable to connect the 541-S to it? Also, does the 541-S work like the two lower models (in "passive mode") without a battery or with a dead battery? Second, can anyone recommend a good, high-quality, battery-operated, stereophonic cassette recorder? About two years ago, I went to Toronto and Kitchener/Waterloo for a business trip. Since I'm into AM stereo now, if I go on anymore trips, it would be a good idea to bring along a radio and see if there are any good AM stereo stations operating in other cities. While I can DX other cities' AM stereo stations at night, the signals come in quite weakly and and exhibit fading and stereo phasing "platform" effects, if I can pick them up at all. I would be nice to hear these stations up close, with a strong signal. I have an SRF-42, which is very portable, so when I travel to other cities, I can use it to look for AM stereo stations. But I'd have no way of recording what I hear. I need a portable stereo tape recorder. There are plenty of portal tape recorders, but almost all of them are mono. The only commonly made portable stereo tape recorders I know of are recording Walkmans. With a recording Walkman, I could connect the SRF-42's output to the Walkman's line or mic input (using an attenuator to lower the high line-level signal to mic level if necessary). I took a look at some recording Walkmans, but since today everyone wants a DiscMan, the quality of cassette Walkmans, especially the recording ones, has really dropped off. Panasonic makes this model: http://www.panasonic.ca/english/audiovideo/audio/portable/rqa200.htm ...and while it looks nice, its recordings suck. The unit uses a simple magnet for an erase head, so the recorded sound gets a sort of loud rushing noise in the background. All other recording Walkmans I checked out had the same problem. So, can anyone recommend a high-quality, battery-operated stereo tape recorder? I'm thinking of something that can easily fit into a backpack or suitcase and isn't too heavy. I'd want it to be able to run on either batteries (if I'm in a bus, car, or train) or AC power (if I'm in a hotel) and preferably have manual recording level controls (though that isn't essential). Thanks! -- Paul ---------------------- Paul Cumming di316@ncf.ca From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Apr 06 19:30:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 7 Apr 2002 03:30:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 12620 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2002 03:30:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2002 03:30:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2002 03:30:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2002 03:30:43 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 03:30:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New AM Stereo receiver... sort of! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1124 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.140 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics There is a new receiver that uses the Motorola MC13022A C-Quam AM Stereo decoder chip... but the only trouble is, it uses it strictly for Synchronous Detection, and does not directly provide the true AM Stereo output! This is the ICOM IC-R75 communications receiver, which is quite popular with today's shortwave radio listeners because of its very good performance. For more info go to: http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/commrxvr/0175.html Of course, modifying it for true AM Stereo reception would be very easy: just tap into the Left and Right audio outputs of the MC13022 chip. Due to its use for synchronous detection, it would probably operate in "forced Stereo" mode whenever you select "S-AM" mode. Now, do ALL receivers with synchronous detection use some sort of AM Stereo decoder chip to do it? I know that Sony and Grundig use the Sony CX857 multi-system AM Stereo decoder chip for their sync mode, including the Sony ICF-2001D and ICF-2010, and Grundig Satellit 500 and Satellit 700. But this ICOM is the first I have heard of using a Motorola C-Quam chip for synchronous detection. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sat Apr 06 19:35:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 7 Apr 2002 03:35:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 86896 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2002 03:35:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2002 03:35:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2002 03:35:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2002 03:35:08 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 03:35:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Recommendations for AM Antennas and Tape Recorders? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3CAFB450.A3A40CC3@ncf.ca> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2492 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.130.117 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., Paul Cumming wrote: > Second, can anyone recommend a good, high-quality, battery-operated, > stereophonic cassette recorder? >I need a portable stereo tape recorder. > There are plenty of portal tape recorders, but almost all of them are > mono. The only commonly made portable stereo tape recorders I know of > are recording Walkmans. With a recording Walkman, I could connect the > SRF-42's output to the Walkman's line or mic input (using an attenuator > to lower the high line-level signal to mic level if necessary). > I took a look at some recording Walkmans, but since today everyone > wants a DiscMan, the quality of cassette Walkmans, especially the > recording ones, has really dropped off. > > Panasonic makes this model: > > http://www.panasonic.ca/english/audiovideo/audio/portable/rqa200.htm > > ...and while it looks nice, its recordings suck. The unit uses a > simple magnet for an erase head, so the recorded sound gets a sort of > loud rushing noise in the background. All other recording Walkmans I > checked out had the same problem. > So, can anyone recommend a high-quality, battery-operated stereo tape > recorder? I'm thinking of something that can easily fit into a backpack > or suitcase and isn't too heavy. I'd want it to be able to run on > either batteries (if I'm in a bus, car, or train) or AC power (if I'm in > a hotel) and preferably have manual recording level controls (though > that isn't essential). > > Thanks! > > -- Paul > What you are looking for is a Sony Stereo Cassette Recorder That was used before the advent of DAT recorders. Thery were high quality with Dolby and recorded on chrome tapes. These units were popular among the Grateful Dead tapers who traded tapes. Its quality approched that of a good home cassette deck and ran on 4 AA batteries. Sony doesn't make these anymore as the DAT decks have replaced them. These were classified as professional portable strereo recorders but I can't remember any of the model numbers of them. I think some were calld D2 or D3 but Sony also uses this for the DAT decks. I did a search on eBay and came up with this. Sony TCS-580V Stereo Cassette Recorder http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1344212677 Although this is not the unit I was looking for but it may work. I don't know anything about it though. You may want to check eBay from time to time to see if any pop up. JSG From amfmdx@fastq.com Sat Apr 06 19:36:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 7 Apr 2002 03:36:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 88219 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2002 03:36:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2002 03:36:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2002 03:36:10 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d101-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.133]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g373aAn40128 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 20:36:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <001a01c1dde5$0e50a520$85f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <3CAFB450.A3A40CC3@ncf.ca> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Recommendations for AM Antennas and Tape Recorders? Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 20:33:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 > First, I would like to get a Select-A-Tenna. I'm thinking of buying > the top model -- the 541-S. Which of the three models displayed at > www.selectatenna.com would you recommend? I have a Radio Shack DX-398 > which has an 1/8-inch jack on the side for an external AM antenna. Can > I just use a generic 1/8-inch mono patch cable to connect the 541-S to > it? I would advise going to www.DX-tools.com or www.dxtools.com and looking at the Quantum Loop. For that price the Quantum is WAY better than a SAT. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sat Apr 06 19:40:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 7 Apr 2002 03:40:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 38827 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2002 03:40:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2002 03:40:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2002 03:40:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2002 03:40:23 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 03:40:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Recommendations for AM Antennas and Tape Recorders? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3CAFB450.A3A40CC3@ncf.ca> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 208 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.130.117 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst After a more extensive search I found this Sony TC-D5 Pro II Stereo Cassette Recorder http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1344599522 It's bigger than the unit I was thinking of though. JSG From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sat Apr 06 20:02:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 7 Apr 2002 04:02:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 73565 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2002 04:02:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2002 04:02:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2002 04:02:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2002 04:02:01 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 04:01:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New AM Stereo receiver... sort of! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1400 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.130.117 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > There is a new receiver that uses the Motorola MC13022A C-Quam > AM Stereo decoder chip... but the only trouble is, it uses it strictly > for Synchronous Detection, and does not directly provide the true AM > Stereo output! > > This is the ICOM IC-R75 communications receiver, which is quite > popular with today's shortwave radio listeners because of its very > good performance. For more info go to: > > http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/commrxvr/0175.html > For true Synchronous detection you would need to disable cosine correction. On the old 13020 you could put a 100uf cap on the error amp to disable it. On all the newer chips there is no external control on the error amp so even if you pull the signal off of the I or Q detector pins it still is going to have cosine correction. Now it appears that the newer chips rely fairly heavily on sync detectors as the primary signal source to minimize distortion and reduce cosine correction as necessary in order to keep distortion to a minimum. Under bad signal contitions it is my beleif that the chips default to QuAM to maintain signal quality. There's not much you can do to these newer chips to externally control cosine correction. It appears Motorola has done a pretty good job in these later chips as far as interference based distortion goes. JSG From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sat Apr 06 20:16:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 7 Apr 2002 04:16:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 6923 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2002 04:16:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2002 04:16:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2002 04:16:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2002 04:16:43 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 04:16:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Sangean SR-66 and MC13024 Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 211 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.130.117 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst Does anyone know how the SR-66 13024 based radio preforms? Did Sangean solve the drop to mono problem that the 13024 has? If so we may want to take a look at it when and if we design a portable AMS radio. JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Apr 06 20:23:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 7 Apr 2002 04:23:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 15928 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2002 04:23:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2002 04:23:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2002 04:23:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2002 04:23:32 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 04:23:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New AM Stereo receiver... sort of! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1424 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.140 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Under bad signal contitions it is my beleif that the chips default > to QuAM to maintain signal quality. There's not much you can do to > these newer chips to externally control cosine correction. It > appears Motorola has done a pretty good job in these later chips as > far as interference based distortion goes. The MC13022 and MC13122 decoder chips do disable cosine compensation in weak signal conditions and progressively add more of it as the signal gets stronger. This is much in the same manner as the variable Stereo blending and IF/audio bandwidth that these chips use. From the Motorola data sheet for the MC13122 (also applicable to the MC13022): "When there is noise or interference in the L-R, it has been subjectively determined that reducing the cosine compensation at the expense of increased distortion sounds better than full decoding. The blend line operates over a small voltage range to eliminate cosine compensation." And these decoders do sound great when listening to MONO stations as well. The distortion is extremely low. This is another point to make when petitioning the FCC to require AM Stereo in receivers. This will improve the quality of BOTH Mono and Stereo stations. So everybody will benefit... unlike IBOC which will actually *reduce* the quality of sound and reception to everybody except those who would have IBOC digital receivers tuned to IBOC stations. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sat Apr 06 20:41:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 7 Apr 2002 04:40:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 47214 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2002 04:40:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2002 04:40:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2002 04:40:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2002 04:40:58 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 04:40:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New AM Stereo receiver... sort of! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 740 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.130.117 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > > From the Motorola data sheet for the MC13122 (also applicable to the > MC13022): > Unfortunately Motorola didn't have the datasheet for the MC13122 when I grabbed the others but what I got was the preliminary AMAX chipset listed as MC13027. Needles to say all info was on the front page. I think there was a broken link for the MC13024 at the time also. I've not scoured amstereoradio.com site lately to see it there is a place for datasheets. If not is there any plans to provide an area where we can have these in a location where they are acessable. I'm missing the the stuff on the AMAX chips, MC13024 and would like to have info on the Japanese chips. JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Apr 06 21:18:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 7 Apr 2002 05:18:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 55767 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2002 05:18:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2002 05:18:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2002 05:18:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2002 05:18:32 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 05:18:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New AM Stereo receiver... sort of! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 684 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.140 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Unfortunately Motorola didn't have the datasheet for the MC13122 > when I grabbed the others but what I got was the preliminary > AMAX chipset listed as MC13027. The data sheet for the MC13122 decoder is in the same file as that of the MC13027 tuner chip. They were designed to work together to provide AMAX AM Stereo reception and decoding, so Motorola combined their data sheets. And yes, all of the AM Stereo related data sheets will be added to the AM Stereo Web Site when I have time. I now have PDF file data sheets for all of the Motorola AM Stereo decoders and related chips (MC13020, 021, 022, 024, 025, 027, 028, 029, 122) so it will be a complete collection. From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Apr 07 06:07:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 7 Apr 2002 13:07:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 14917 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2002 13:07:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2002 13:07:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2002 13:07:15 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.29]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 09:07:41 -0400 Message-ID: <001a01c1de35$4d918560$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: Subject: Fw: From Italy Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 09:08:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone read Italian? This person wants info, but not too sure! Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrea To: ccuff@in4web.com Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 7:17 AM Subject: From Italy Esiste un distributore in Italia per acquistare il AM STEREO EXCITER ed il suo decodificatore per effettuare prove in Am STEREO? Grazie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mwradio@gmx.net Sun Apr 07 06:31:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mwradio@gmx.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 7 Apr 2002 13:31:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 52024 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2002 13:31:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2002 13:31:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.dnbsi.com) (207.229.108.169) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2002 13:31:46 -0000 Received: from espositojm2 (0-1pool159-6.nas1.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net [65.128.159.6]) by smtp.dnbsi.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E8BBDCF37 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 06:31:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000801c1de38$8ea81700$06630780@espositojm2> To: References: <001a01c1de35$4d918560$0101a8c0@pavilion> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: From Italy Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 09:31:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Joe Esposito" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=93604673 X-Yahoo-Profile: espositojm Here's the babbelfish translation.... *********** It exists to distributor in Italy to gain the AM STEREO EXCITER and its decoder to carry out tests in Am STEREO? Thanks *********** Joe Esposito ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Cuff" To: Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 9:08 AM Subject: {AMSF} Fw: From Italy > Does anyone read Italian? > This person wants info, but not too sure! > Chris > Esiste un distributore in Italia per acquistare il AM STEREO EXCITER ed il suo decodificatore per effettuare prove in Am STEREO? > Grazie > From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Sun Apr 07 06:52:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 7 Apr 2002 13:52:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 56037 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2002 13:52:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2002 13:52:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2002 13:52:03 -0000 Received: from user-33qtucf.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.249.143] helo=earthlink.net) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16uD5O-0001zO-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 07 Apr 2002 06:52:03 -0700 Message-ID: <3CB04F4F.51FEC401@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 09:53:20 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: From Italy References: <001a01c1de35$4d918560$0101a8c0@pavilion> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Dick W." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 Here is a link for a site that supposedly translates for you. Dick W. http://babel.altavista.com/translate.dyn Christopher Cuff wrote: > Does anyone read Italian? > This person wants info, but not too sure! > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Andrea > To: ccuff@in4web.com > Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 7:17 AM > Subject: From Italy > > Esiste un distributore in Italia per acquistare il AM STEREO EXCITER ed il suo decodificatore per effettuare prove in Am STEREO? > Grazie > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From dave_m1ctk@yahoo.co.uk Sun Apr 07 09:18:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dave_m1ctk@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 7 Apr 2002 16:18:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 61389 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2002 16:18:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2002 16:18:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2002 16:18:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2002 16:18:18 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 16:18:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fw: From Italy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001a01c1de35$4d918560$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 652 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" X-Originating-IP: 213.121.68.185 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=70214876 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Systran translates this as: Exists a distributor in Italy in order to acquire the AM STEREO EXCITER and its decoder in order to carry out tests in Am STEREO? Thanks. --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Christopher Cuff" wrote: > Does anyone read Italian? > This person wants info, but not too sure! > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Andrea > To: ccuff@i... > Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 7:17 AM > Subject: From Italy > > > Esiste un distributore in Italia per acquistare il AM STEREO EXCITER ed il suo decodificatore per effettuare prove in Am STEREO? > Grazie > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Apr 07 12:29:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 7 Apr 2002 19:29:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 68566 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2002 19:29:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2002 19:29:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bareil.ebay.com) (216.33.156.139) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2002 19:29:03 -0000 Received: from seinfeld.sjc.ebay.com (seinfeld.sjc.ebay.com [10.6.21.16]) by bareil.ebay.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g37JSlT17442 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 12:28:47 -0700 Message-Id: <200204071928.g37JSlT17442@bareil.ebay.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site item#1344738104: Portable AM Stereo transmitter plus bonus! Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 12:28:47 PDT From: ccuff@in4web.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Note- this is the last one! The Ando radio is a MC13024 radio, AM Stereo only. Good luck! Chris Title of item: Portable AM Stereo transmitter plus bonus! Seller: ccuff Starts: Apr-07-02 05:46:49 PDT Ends: Apr-12-02 05:46:49 PDT Price: Starts at $10.00 To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1344738104 Item Description: Here we have a unique opportunity to get the LAST portable transmitter I have built. I may have more boards made in the future if demand is there, but for now, this is it! Many of these little buggers are in use world-wide, on 6 continents, and everyone that has one loves them. As a bonus for this last one only, I am offering a complete package of a transmitter, on your choice of the following frequencies: 1000 Khz, 1250 Khz, 1630 Khz, or 1110 Khz. I give a schematic and antenna info with these, as well as instructions on how to change it to any freq. you want, buy buying a Cardinal pre-programmed oscillator from Digi-Key. (note that these are low power, legal units- but you "might" want to amplify it with the enclosed amp schematic...) Now, it gets better! The winner also gets a bonus AM Stereo shirtpocket radio by "Ando" - With my hand-drawn schematic- this is brand new, made for the Japanese market only. But wait! There's More! You also get one of my mini am stereo decoders, that you can add to an existing stereo to convert it to receive am stereo- All for one bid! Good luck! Paypal is fine, or money order. Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.com From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Sun Apr 07 13:16:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 7 Apr 2002 20:16:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 97671 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2002 20:16:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2002 20:16:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2002 20:16:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2002 20:16:08 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 20:16:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: News from North of Toronto Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1156 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.149.82.193 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 Hi, while I was visting my parents, in Barrie, I hooked up my JX220A and started DXing both during the day and at night. Doing a early scan I could easily confirm the following stations: 760 WJR Detroit. Glorius Stereo. 770 WTOR Youngstown MONO, strong signal 790 CIGM Sudbury MONO, weak signal 1090 CKKW Kitchener MONO strong signal 1350 CKDO Oshawa GLORIOUS STEREO!!!!! 1430 CKHT Toronto, MONO strong signal 1520 WWKB Buffalo GLORIOUS STEREO. 1540 CHIN Toronto MONO strong signal At night: 630 CFCO, weak but pilot came on; strong leakage from CFYI Mono flamethrower 660 WFAN New York. Strong signal MONO 720 WGN Chicago. Perfect signal and stereo 760 WJR Detroit, great stereo 790 CIGM Sudbury, no stereo anywhere, strong signal 890 WLS Chicago, perfect signal and stereo 1210 WPHT Philadelphia, not too strong but still had a solid pilot 1350 CKDO Oshawa, not received due to the "graveyard" effect 1520 WWKB Buffalo, barely audible due to WLAC on 1510 and WSAI on 1530. Still had a pilot. Besides the stereo, I was able to pick up the Pearson International Airport on 1280 from Toronto! I was located approx 120 kms north of Toronto! MattH From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Apr 07 13:31:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 7 Apr 2002 20:31:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 78680 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2002 20:31:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2002 20:31:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2002 20:31:14 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-180.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.180]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g37KUedj015251 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 15:30:41 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002f01c1dddf$3df69420$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sangean SR-66 and MC13024 Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 20:52:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude AFAIK they didn't- which is why they never produced another AMS radio. The simple answer is to run it in forced-stereo mode. Don't know how it performed sensitivity and selectivity-wise. I thought of another question- if the 024 is discontinued, what do we do about getting a fresh supply if we are able to exhaust current stock? ST ----- Original Message ----- From: jsgilst > Does anyone know how the SR-66 13024 based radio > preforms? Did Sangean solve the drop to mono > problem that the 13024 has? If so we may want to > take a look at it when and if we design a portable > AMS radio. From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Apr 07 13:36:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 7 Apr 2002 20:36:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 27960 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2002 20:36:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2002 20:36:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2002 20:36:20 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-180.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.180]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g37KZkdj015845 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 15:35:47 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004f01c1dddf$f4621a40$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <001a01c1de35$4d918560$0101a8c0@pavilion> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: From Italy Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 20:57:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I think he wants a AMS exciter (Alfredo lite, most likely) and a decoder board for demonstration purposes. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher Cuff > Does anyone read Italian? From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Apr 07 13:41:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 7 Apr 2002 20:41:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 26143 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2002 20:41:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2002 20:41:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2002 20:41:25 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-180.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.180]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g37Keodj016490 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 15:40:51 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <005f01c1dde0$a9d97c60$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} sign-off DX / 570 WMCA Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 21:02:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I doubt it. Could be an IPM problem in the transmitter. I'll mention it to Stu when I get to work on mon. He's going to be loaning me an old mono CRL processor so our 9100B can be shipped off to Orban for repair, and maybe I can get him out to the transmitter to pick it up sooner this way. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics > Also, when tuned to local 570 WMCA (New York, NY) in forced C-Quam > Stereo mode, I hear occasional crackling noises coming from the right > channel only. WMCA has never been in Stereo as far as I can remember, > but these noises were definitely coming from their transmitter. Is it > possible they have a C-Quam exciter in their transmission chain, but > only feed it with mono audio and have the pilot tone turned off? > > By the way, WCMA is owned by Salem.... and hearing about their lack of > support for AM Stereo, it is possible that Salem may posses a Stereo > exciter at WMCA but choose to run it in this completely Mono > manner.... From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Apr 07 13:43:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 7 Apr 2002 20:43:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 75994 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2002 20:43:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2002 20:43:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2002 20:43:38 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-180.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.180]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g37Kh3dj016753 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 15:43:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <006501c1dde0$f91377e0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <3CAFB450.A3A40CC3@ncf.ca> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Recommendations for AM Antennas and Tape Recorders? Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 21:04:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Short of some of the larger professional portable decks, no. Frankly I don't think you should bother with hissette. You can get portable mini-disk recorders that aren't much bigger than the palm of your hand. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Cumming > > Second, can anyone recommend a good, high-quality, battery-operated, > stereophonic cassette recorder? From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Apr 07 13:59:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 7 Apr 2002 20:59:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 13847 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2002 20:59:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2002 20:59:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2002 20:59:11 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-180.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.180]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g37Kwadj018303 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 15:58:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <006d01c1dde3$2543ce80$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Read This! Reply from CFCW 790 camrose Engineer!! Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 21:20:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I'll be honest that I don't have a lot of first-hand experience with AMS exciters, but it isn't impossible there could be a thermally related problem. I'd have to know how cold their transmitter building gets vs. the generator's specified operating temp. The solution, in any case, is so freaking simple I'm surprised they didn't think of it. Doubtless they have some sort of microprocessor-based remote control system. If they have an open command channel, it could be rigged so that when the room temp drops below a certain point, it would automatically turn on a heat lamp directed at the AMS generator. I know I can do that with my old VRC-2000. Tell them an american engineering friend of yours suggested this. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: i2thesky2001 > I'm surprised nobody had a comment about exciters being 'unstable at > low temperatures'. Come now gentlemen! i need to hear your $0.02!! From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Apr 07 15:21:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 7 Apr 2002 22:21:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 19619 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2002 22:21:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2002 22:21:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2002 22:21:25 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.24]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 18:21:53 -0400 Message-ID: <006b01c1de82$b8217640$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <002f01c1dddf$3df69420$d3a9fea9@me> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sangean SR-66 and MC13024 Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 18:22:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I talked with Sangean back in 95- they said after the dismal performance of the SR66, they would NEVER build another AM Stereo radio. It was a horrible radio- I have owned 3- no good at anything. The forced stereo Aiwa MC13024 radio was fine. Chris From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Apr 07 15:31:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 7 Apr 2002 22:31:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 17611 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2002 22:31:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2002 22:31:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2002 22:31:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2002 22:31:08 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 22:31:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: News from North of Toronto Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 987 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.85.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > 790 CIGM Sudbury MONO, weak signal 790 CIGM from Sudbury, Ontario is broadcasting in full AM STEREO, except without a pilot tone! Therefore, you can only hear them in Stereo on a "forced Stereo" receiver, such as a Sony SRF-series or MetroSound, or on a regular pilot-detection radio when there happens to be "falsing" on the channel. Otherwise, due to the lack of a pilot tone from their transmitter, CIGM will be received as if they were a Mono station. It has been like this since the late fall of 1999.... sometimes CIGM seems to be putting out a pilot tone, but you check a few days later and they're back to no-pilot Stereo. This is a shame because they are a great 50,000 watt Country music station and when you can receive them in Stereo, they sound excellent. Somebody should really get in touch with CIGM's engineer about this, but they don't have a web site and I have been unable to get detailed contact information for them (address, phone, fax, etc.). From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Apr 07 16:31:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 7 Apr 2002 23:31:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 81148 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2002 23:31:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2002 23:31:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r02.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.98) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2002 23:31:41 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.68.1e557f12 (4418) for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 19:31:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <68.1e557f12.29e230da@aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 19:31:38 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Write to the FCC by this time next week! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih The apparent lack of interest in AM Stereo is part of a much larger picture. I filed comments on this in my comments on multiple ownership of local radio stations. From the comments: "Sadly, one proven technology has been largely neglected since 1996; AM stereo. The requirement of AM stereo operations on the expanded AM band, between 1610 and 1700 kHz, has kept the number of AM Stereo stations above the 300-station mark. The claim that 'AM stereo is dead' is largely bogus; another corporate lie. However, a number of leading broadcasters, largely led by Clear Channel Communications, have dropped this proven technology because of illegitimate claims over the number of receivers (24 million in the marketplace at last check, and the number is slowly increasing) and coverage concerns (AM stereo has NOT been proven to reduce coverage, unlike FM stereo, as corporate broadcasters like Clear Channel Communications and Journal Broadcasting have illegitimately claimed without any technical proof). I also believe that the 'AM is dead' claim that commercial broadcasters have claimed for over a quarter of a century is also bogus. I still see potential in AM radio, even for music formats that FM stations refuse to carry. I strongly believe that stereophonic broadcasting-only policies, such as one largely embraced by Crawford Broadcasting Company, is in the best interests of commercial radio. In addition, the AM stereo-only mandate in the expanded AM band (1610-1700 kHz) should be extended to the former Class I-A Clears. In other words, AM stations operating with 50,000 watts of power utilizing non-directional antenna systems at all hours should, regardless of format, be required to broadcast in AM stereo. Some of these stations still carry music programming; including WSM Nashville, TN (operating at 650 kHz). Should the AM stereo-only mandate be extended to the former I-A Clears, WFAN (660 kHz) New York, NY; WGN (720 kHz) Chicago, IL; WJR (760 kHz) Detroit, MI; WBAP (820 kHz) Fort Worth, TX; WLS (890 kHz) Chicago, IL and WPHT (1210 kHz) Philadelphia, PA would already be in compliance. The others should be given a maximum of two years to comply." Since I filed the comments, WFAN has been added to the list of stations that would no longer be in compliance, as far as mandatory AM Stereo on the former 1A Clears is concerned. As for IBOC, I filed these comments: "Instead, broadcasters are testing an unproven technology called In-Band, On-Channel Digital Audio Broadcasting (IBOC-DAB). The results, so far, have been very disappointing. IBOC-DAB is totally incompatible with analog broadcasting; it is an audio version of a fax machine. In other words, all of the five billion receivers in the marketplace would become obsolete if conversion to IBOC-DAB becomes mandatory. Also, a vast majority of smaller and independent broadcasters; mostly on AM but also smaller FM stations, would be forced to leave the air if IBOC-DAB conversion becomes mandatory. Demand for terrestrial DAB is non-existent; just look at Canada and Europe. Listeners in Canada and Europe still listen to local AM and FM stations. And, what's more, the AM and FM bands ARE NOT ALLOCATED anywhere in the world for terrestrial DAB; the L-Band (used for the proven Eureka 147 system in Canada and Europe) has been allocated worldwide for terrestrial DAB. The Pentagon is actually in violation of international regulations by using the L-Band for it's interests, rather than moving to another band to make way for DAB. I strongly believe that DAB should be banned below 1 GHz (1000 MHz). American radio listeners will continue to accept analog broadcasting; so it would be in the best interests of the broadcast industry to keep the AM and FM bands going in it's present, analog form. The only appropriate place for DAB in the United States is on the new satellite services like XM Satellite Radio." And here's what I commented on how much respect commercial radio really deserves: "The commercial radio industry, especially corporate broadcasters, no longer deserve my respect; this comes not only from the perspective of a former broadcast worker, but also from the perspective of a radio listener. It has performed a major public disservice by abandoning me, the listener on Main Street, in favor of satisfying the 'suits' on Wall Street. It has abandoned legitimate, 'play by the rules' personalities, such as myself, in favor of illegitimate, 'break all the rules' personalities like Howard Stern and Bubba 'The Hate Sponge'. I urge the Commission to ignore the demands of the National Association of Broadcasters, who are not serving the best interests of the commercial radio industry, and totally reregulate the commercial broadcast industry. If a virtually unregulated, hostile, anti-competitive environment is allowed to continue, then commercial radio will lose it's remaining audience. The industry will no longer be attractive to college students considering careers in radio, and, most of all, a continuation of an illegally homogeneous workforce which will ruin the industry." I submitted my comments to the Federal Communications Commission in February 2002. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Apr 07 16:38:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 7 Apr 2002 23:38:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 505 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2002 23:38:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2002 23:38:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2002 23:38:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2002 23:38:17 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 23:38:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Your participation needed Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1695 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.85.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I have word from an engineer for 660 WFAN in New York City that they have made a conscious decision to discontinue AM Stereo broadcasts. WFAN does not seem to reply to e-mail or fax, so the best way to contact them and voice your opinion on this is to call their office number during EDT business hours at (718) 706-7690. The only catch is that all WFAN employees are not up to speed on this recent decision, so for the person you speak to, you may have to first convince them that WFAN has dropped Stereo before you can try to convince them to bring it back! However, if my two calls to them so far are any indication, they will at least be polite to you and there *are* some people at the station who are supportive of AM Stereo. If these WFAN employees were more aware of the growing popularity that AM Stereo is experiencing with the help of www.AMStereoRadio.com and this Forum, they might help the station to reconsider its decision to leave the Stereo exicter turned off after their most recent transmitter maintenance. However, on the positive side of all this mess, I also have word that 540 WLUX in Islip (Long Island), NY will truly be soon returning to AM Stereo broadcasting. They already have the Broadcast Electronics C-Quam exciter re-installed and are just running it in mono mode until they get the chance to tweak it up and make it sound really fantastic. WLUX is also investigating a power increase which will help to further enhance the reappearance of their AM Stereo signal. They have a Construction Permit to upgrade from 250 to 500 watts, but apparently are not satisified with that because they have also applied to upgrade to 1100 watts! From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Sun Apr 07 18:19:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 8 Apr 2002 01:19:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 3120 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2002 01:19:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2002 01:19:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2002 01:19:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2002 01:19:27 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 01:19:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: What a catch! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 174 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.159.224.110 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 I just caught a signal from WCGO Chicago!!!! It's only broadcasting at 23 watts @ 1600!!! Wow! Even though its not stereo, It's still quite a catch from London,ON MattH From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Sun Apr 07 18:21:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 8 Apr 2002 01:21:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 50086 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2002 01:21:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2002 01:21:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2002 01:21:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2002 01:21:18 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 01:21:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: CIGM Websitre Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 139 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.159.224.110 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 CIGM does indeed have a website. http://www.wowsudbury.com/music/cigm.asp But I have yet to find either a phone number or e-mail. MattH From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Sun Apr 07 18:23:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 8 Apr 2002 01:23:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 30816 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2002 01:23:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2002 01:23:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2002 01:23:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2002 01:23:56 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 01:23:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: CIGM FOUND A PHONE NUMBER!!!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 271 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.159.224.110 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 880 LaSalle Sudbury, ON P3A 1X5 (705) 566-4480 --- In amstereoforum@y..., "matt_haw2000" wrote: > CIGM does indeed have a website. > > http://www.wowsudbury.com/music/cigm.asp > > But I have yet to find either a phone number or e-mail. > > MattH From philipr@irac.pe.ca Mon Apr 08 05:26:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 8 Apr 2002 12:26:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 4988 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2002 12:26:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2002 12:26:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2002 12:26:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2002 12:26:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 12:26:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Recommendations for AM Antennas and Tape Recorders? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3CAFB450.A3A40CC3@ncf.ca> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1301 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking --- In amstereoforum@y..., Paul Cumming wrote: > > Hello, folks. I'd like some advice. > > First, I would like to get a Select-A-Tenna. I bought a couple select antennas over a year ago - the lowest priced one and the step up with the 1/8 inch jack and cord. The low priced one was given to my brother as a graduation present, while I kept the step up one for myself. Personally, the extra $10 for the jack is a waste of good $. Nothing in the way of a receiver has worked well with the select a tenna through the jack. It does work great just by placing it close to the receiver. The biggest improvement was wityh rigs with a small ferrite bar - e.g. the typical sangean. It works great with my DX-440 [aka ATS-803A] and my Sony ICF SW-77. Mild boost with a SR II or III [these rigs already have a big ferrite bar] My suggestion, get the lowest price select - atenna enjoy, then if you feel the need for something even better, I'd llok into one of the rigs at dx tools - maybe eventually with the phaser so you can shift your receiving pattern. I've noticed my select atenna tends to narrow the bandwidth - this enhances selectivity but drops audio bandwidth. great for dx. For am stereo / hi fi dx, try slightly detuning the select atenna. Phil From philipr@irac.pe.ca Mon Apr 08 05:37:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 8 Apr 2002 12:37:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 31864 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2002 12:37:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2002 12:37:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2002 12:37:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2002 12:37:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 12:37:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Interesting item on eBay web site item#1344738104: Portable AM Stereo transmitter plus bonus! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200204071928.g37JSlT17442@bareil.ebay.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 383 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking --- In amstereoforum@y..., ccuff@i... wrote: > Note- this is the last one! The Ando radio is a MC13024 radio, AM Stereo only. > Good luck! > Chris Chris - why USA only? I'm sure there would be some Canadian, Australian, New zealand and British folks [maybe lots of others too] interested in this nifty package! I almost put in a bid until I saw the will ship to US only. Phil From jwelton@nautel.com Mon Apr 08 05:39:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 8 Apr 2002 12:39:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 35519 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2002 12:39:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2002 12:39:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserver.nautel.com) (24.222.4.134) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2002 12:39:21 -0000 Received: FROM jeff-welton BY mailserver.nautel.com ; Mon Apr 08 09:39:59 2002 -0300 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 09:38:48 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Why? Cc: stodd@sherbtel.net Message-ID: <3CB16527.18721.2FE434@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <003601c1dbb6$e94aaa80$d3a9fea9@me> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body From: "Jeff Welton" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 > Are those typical aluminum lytics or tantalum lookalikes? Interesting > that you found them, as a lot of other catalogs don't have anything > below 50v in the 1u size. Newark has no additional information, so can't say. But Digi-Key does spec aluminum elect. Web page from their catalogue (p.505) is: http://info.digikey.com/T021/V5/505.pdf Regards, Jeff Welton Nautel Customer Service Dept. Tel.: 1-902-823-3900 ext. 127 Fax: 1-902-823-3183 email: jwelton@nautel.com From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Apr 08 06:09:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 8 Apr 2002 13:09:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 7163 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2002 13:09:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2002 13:09:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO host.warwick.net) (204.255.24.254) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2002 13:09:49 -0000 Received: from chris (qelapsvc.florida.ul.warwick.net [208.228.96.20]) by host.warwick.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g38D9kJ436289 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 09:09:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000701c1defe$936ae440$0501a8c0@warwick.net> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Interesting item on eBay web site item#1344738104: Portable AM Stereo transmitter plus bonus! Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 09:09:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 That was a F - up on my part- normally, I only ship to USA, but for this item I will ship anywhere. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: "tubesareking" > > Chris - why USA only? I'm sure there would be some Canadian, > Australian, New zealand and British folks [maybe lots of others too] > interested in this nifty package! From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Mon Apr 08 10:34:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25377 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2002 17:34:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2002 17:34:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2002 17:34:42 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2002 17:34:41 -0000 Date: 8 Apr 2002 17:34:40 -0000 Message-ID: <1018287280.511657.13226.w42@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /ta8120p.pdf Uploaded by : kevtronics Description : Data sheet for the Toshiba TA8120 AM Stereo decoder, an exact copy of the Motorola MC13020. [Contributed by Koji Watanabe] You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/ta8120p.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, kevtronics From penry@nortelnetworks.com Mon Apr 08 13:15:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: penry@nortelnetworks.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 8 Apr 2002 20:15:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 10836 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2002 20:15:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2002 20:15:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2002 20:15:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2002 20:15:43 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 20:15:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Recommendations for AM Antennas and Tape Recorders? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3CAFB450.A3A40CC3@ncf.ca> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1616 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wa5vhu" X-Originating-IP: 47.230.0.42 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=376233 X-Yahoo-Profile: wa5vhu Paul, I would recommend a MiniDisc recorder as they are smaller than=20 cassette recorders and have superior audio characteristics, plus the=20 blank media is much smaller.=20=20 Check http://www.minidisc.org/index.html for the latest on MiniDisc=20 models. The Sony models are nice but many of them will not allow you=20 to adjust the input level while they are in the record mode, which is=20 inconvenient. I have an Aiwa unit that I love. I can record a bunch=20 of disks with music from home to carry with me on a trip and then=20 record over the music if I hear something interesting. I don't=20 bother carrying the disks in the jewel cases =96 takes up too much room. I even made up a small stereo microphone from Radio shack parts: 1ea. 270-288 ultra-compact enclosure 2 ea. 270-090 electret microphone elements 1 ea. 42-2387 shielded stereo cable (cut in two) Place the microphone elements (held in place by glue) on the narrow=20 side of the box around one corner from each other. Put a foam=20 windscreen over the unit if the wind is blowing. You'd be surprised=20 how good it sounds for $10.00 plus tax. Add another 42-2387 shielded stereo cable (not cut in two) to go=20 between your receiver and the MiniDisc recorder. I carry my recorder, microphone, extra external battery pack, spare=20 batteries, and ear-bud type headphones in one of the smallest camera=20 bags. Happy listening, Charles=20=20=20=20 --- In amstereoforum@y..., Paul Cumming wrote: >=20 > Hello, folks. I'd like some advice.=20=20 >=20 > Second, can anyone recommend a good, high-quality, battery- operated, > stereophonic cassette recorder?=20=20 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Apr 08 14:25:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 8 Apr 2002 21:25:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 85464 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2002 21:25:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2002 21:25:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2002 21:25:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2002 21:25:15 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 21:25:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Recommendations for AM Antennas and Tape Recorders? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 367 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.167 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The Sony models are nice but many of them will not allow you to > adjust the input level while they are in the record mode, which > is inconvenient. That's not much a limitation because once you set the recording level, you usually don't need to change it during a recording, especially if you are using a radio with its own volume control as the audio source. From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Mon Apr 08 14:44:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 8 Apr 2002 21:44:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 42694 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2002 21:44:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2002 21:44:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2002 21:44:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2002 21:44:20 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 21:44:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Various Car Radio Scans uploaded!! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 420 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.159.48.48 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 I uploaded a bunch of scans from various GM car brochures. I started with Buick and Cadillac. I'll add Pontiac, Oldsmobile, GMC and Chevrolet in time. Kevtronics you can use the pictures for your website where all the pictures of the car radios are. I have some unique pictures including the special Cadillac Allante radio "Symphony" setup. They are located in the "Files" section of this website. Thanks, Matt From raydtuner@yahoo.com Mon Apr 08 15:03:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: raydtuner@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 8 Apr 2002 22:03:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 21741 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2002 22:03:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2002 22:03:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2002 22:03:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2002 22:03:33 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 22:03:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: News from North of Toronto Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1425 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "raydtuner" X-Originating-IP: 63.188.10.139 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92072182 X-Yahoo-Profile: raydtuner --- In amstereoforum@y..., "matt_haw2000" wrote: > Hi, while I was visting my parents, in Barrie, I hooked up my JX220A > and started DXing both during the day and at night. Doing a early > scan I could easily confirm the following stations: > > 760 WJR Detroit. Glorius Stereo. > 770 WTOR Youngstown MONO, strong signal > 790 CIGM Sudbury MONO, weak signal > 1090 CKKW Kitchener MONO strong signal > 1350 CKDO Oshawa GLORIOUS STEREO!!!!! > 1430 CKHT Toronto, MONO strong signal > 1520 WWKB Buffalo GLORIOUS STEREO. > 1540 CHIN Toronto MONO strong signal > > At night: > 630 CFCO, weak but pilot came on; strong leakage from CFYI Mono > flamethrower > 660 WFAN New York. Strong signal MONO > 720 WGN Chicago. Perfect signal and stereo > 760 WJR Detroit, great stereo > 790 CIGM Sudbury, no stereo anywhere, strong signal > 890 WLS Chicago, perfect signal and stereo > 1210 WPHT Philadelphia, not too strong but still had a solid pilot > 1350 CKDO Oshawa, not received due to the "graveyard" effect > 1520 WWKB Buffalo, barely audible due to WLAC on 1510 and WSAI on > 1530. Still had a pilot. > > Besides the stereo, I was able to pick up the Pearson International > Airport on 1280 from Toronto! I was located approx 120 kms north of > Toronto! > > MattH REPLY: I was unaware there were any airports on the usual AM freq. Interesting! RAY(Cleveland)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From raydtuner@yahoo.com Mon Apr 08 15:08:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: raydtuner@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 8 Apr 2002 22:08:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 4479 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2002 22:08:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2002 22:08:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2002 22:08:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2002 22:08:32 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 22:08:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What a catch! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 385 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "raydtuner" X-Originating-IP: 63.188.10.139 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92072182 X-Yahoo-Profile: raydtuner --- In amstereoforum@y..., "matt_haw2000" wrote: > I just caught a signal from WCGO Chicago!!!! It's only broadcasting > at 23 watts @ 1600!!! Wow! Even though its not stereo, It's still > quite a catch from London,ON > > MattH REPLY: I've gotten a thrill from that ,too, here in Cleveland. I wonder if that 23w listing is up to date, though!RAY>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Mon Apr 08 15:23:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 8 Apr 2002 22:23:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 71449 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2002 22:23:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2002 22:23:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2002 22:23:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2002 22:23:35 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 22:23:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: News from North of Toronto Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 441 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.159.48.48 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 Let me clarify. It's the TIS information. It's a 180 watt station that is soppose to cover just the airport area. MattH > > Besides the stereo, I was able to pick up the Pearson International > > Airport on 1280 from Toronto! I was located approx 120 kms north of > > Toronto! > > > > MattH > REPLY: I was unaware there were any airports on the usual AM freq. > Interesting! RAY(Cleveland)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Mon Apr 08 15:25:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 8 Apr 2002 22:25:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 46798 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2002 22:25:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2002 22:25:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2002 22:25:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2002 22:25:02 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 22:25:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What a catch! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 558 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.159.48.48 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 Yeah I though about that they might have left their full 1000kw power on at night. MattH --- In amstereoforum@y..., "raydtuner" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@y..., "matt_haw2000" wrote: > > I just caught a signal from WCGO Chicago!!!! It's only broadcasting > > at 23 watts @ 1600!!! Wow! Even though its not stereo, It's still > > quite a catch from London,ON > > > > MattH > REPLY: I've gotten a thrill from that ,too, here in Cleveland. I > wonder if that 23w listing is up to date, though!RAY>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From davidcoons@webtv.net Mon Apr 08 15:53:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: davidcoons@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 8 Apr 2002 22:53:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 71775 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2002 22:53:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2002 22:53:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net) (209.240.198.119) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2002 22:53:51 -0000 Received: from storefull-2315.public.lawson.webtv.net (storefull-2315.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.212.223]) by mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id EDF8BB9E for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 15:53:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-2315.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id PAA16155; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 15:53:50 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRxxfk4faZCIjcBatChUo4NH4MRLgIUUXewLW2aCCiUbQSxOW46yaPZtWU= Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 18:53:50 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re:select-a-tenna Message-ID: <10640-3CB21F7E-3605@storefull-2315.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "tubesareking" 's message of Mon, 08 Apr 2002 12:26:53 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-From: davidcoons@webtv.net (David Coons) From: davidcoons@webtv.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10533228 for those inclined,it is a small matter to open the unit and attach ext.ant.connection From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Apr 08 16:41:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 8 Apr 2002 23:41:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 95014 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2002 23:41:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2002 23:41:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2002 23:41:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2002 23:41:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 23:41:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: News from North of Toronto Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1087 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.167 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Let me clarify. It's the TIS information. It's a 180 watt station > that is soppose to cover just the airport area. 180 watts? How big is this airport -- the size of a city? In the USA, "TIS" stations on AM are all 10 watts each. In rare cases, they can get authorisation to use a higher power, for example the airport info stations on 1640 and 1680 kHz in Texas that were (I believe) 50 watts each, but the vast majority are exactly 10 watts. And even at 10 watts, they can have amazing signal coverage, especially on a clear frequency. I live about 12 miles away from one on 530 kHz and they come in like a local station, 24 hours a day (when the Spanish station from the Caribbean isn't too strong). On my car radio I can hear them up to about 30 or 35 miles away! Note that the FCC does not allow TIS stations to be on FM. This is strictly an AM band service. I also believe their audio response is limited to just over 3 kHz, which is why they all sound no better than a telephone. Some TISes are so muffled you can't even understand what is being said! From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Mon Apr 08 18:21:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 9 Apr 2002 01:21:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 84893 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2002 01:21:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2002 01:21:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2002 01:21:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2002 01:21:37 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 01:21:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re:select-a-tenna * DA-5 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <10640-3CB21F7E-3605@storefull-2315.public.lawson.webtv.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 512 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tom_richard1980" X-Originating-IP: 147.144.66.251 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 They do have another model that has a connector on it. Do any of you have the McKay-Dymek DA-5 antenna? I picked one up in 1980 and love it. I got my money's worth when 1030 in Wyoming was off the air and I picked up WBZ Boston, The Spirit of New England.... I was using the Realistic TM-1001 tuner at the time. Now I have the Denon TU-680 NAB tuner. Tom --- In amstereoforum@y..., davidcoons@w... wrote: > for those inclined,it is a small matter to open the unit and attach > ext.ant.connection From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Apr 08 18:30:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 9 Apr 2002 01:30:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 38143 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2002 01:30:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2002 01:30:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2002 01:30:23 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-199.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.199]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g391Tjdj002693 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 20:29:47 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001701c1df66$19f920a0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <68.1e557f12.29e230da@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Write to the FCC by this time next week! Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 20:30:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Thank you for continuing to send the FCC your comments. As Kevin pointed out a few days ago, however, the FCC doesn't mandate stereo for FM or TV, so it won't do much good to mandate it for any AM stations either, but some of your other points were good. Your post brings up something else that I should have posted- those of you in Canada, Australia, etc., normally you wouldn't comment on another nation's proposed broadcast laws. Would you be willing to break that little taboo and tell the FCC you saw my petition on the AMStereoRadio website, and you think it's a wonderful idea, and would they please consider it since the US is such a leader in such matters, and you want them to set some precedent for your nation to follow? ST ----- Original Message ----- From: > The apparent lack of interest in AM Stereo is part of a much larger picture. > I filed comments on this in my comments on multiple ownership of local radio > stations. From the comments: > From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Apr 08 18:41:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 9 Apr 2002 01:41:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 28942 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2002 01:41:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2002 01:41:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2002 01:41:21 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-199.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.199]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g391ehdj004444 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 20:40:45 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002d01c1df67$a22d7c40$d3a9fea9@me> To: Subject: Fw: Understanding Engineers Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 20:41:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude A little humor for you guys- ST > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Fortenberry" > To: "Multiple recipients of list Engineer.list" > > > > > > > > > > > > > Understanding Engineers - Take One > > > > > > > > > > Two engineering students were walking across > > > > campus when one said, > > > > > "Where did you get such a great bike?" > > > > > The second engineer replied, "Well, I was walking > > > > along yesterday > > > > > minding my own business when a beautiful woman > > > > rode up on this bike. > > > > > She threw the bike to the ground, took off all her > > > > clothes and said, > > > > > "Take what you want." > > > > > The first engineer nodded approvingly, "Good > > > > choice; the clothes > > > > > probably wouldn't have fit." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Understanding Engineers - Take Two > > > > > > > > > > To the optimist, the glass is half full. > > > > > To the pessimist, the glass is half empty. > > > > > To the engineer, the glass is twice as big as it > > > > needs to be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Understanding Engineers-Take Three > > > > > > > > > > A pastor, a doctor and an engineer were waiting > > > > one morning for a > > > > > particularly slow group of golfers. > > > > > The engineer fumed, "What's with these guys? > > > > > We must have been waiting for 15 minutes!" > > > > > The doctor chimed in, > > > > > "I don't know, but I've never seen such > > > > ineptitude! " > > > > > The pastor said, "Hey, here comes the > > > > greenskeeper. > > > > > Let's have a word with him." > > > > > > > > > > [dramatic pause] > > > > > > > > > > "Hi George. Say, what's with that group ahead of > > > > us? > > > > > They're rather slow, aren't they?" > > > > > The greenskeeper replied, > > > > > "Oh, yes, that's a group of blind firefighters. > > > > > They lost their sight saving our clubhouse from a > > > > fire last year, > > > > > so we always let them play for free anytime." > > > > > The group was silent for a moment. > > > > > The pastor said, > > > > > "That's so sad. I think I will say a special > > > > prayer for them tonight." > > > > > The doctor said, > > > > > "Good idea. And I'm going to contact my > > > > ophthalmologist buddy > > > > > and see if there's anything he can do for them." > > > > > The engineer said, > > > > > "Why can't these guys play at night?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Understanding Engineers-Take Four > > > > > > > > > > What is the difference between Mechanical > > > > Engineers > > > > > and Civil Engineers? > > > > > Mechanical Engineers build weapons, Civil > > > > Engineers build targets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Understanding Engineers-Take Five > > > > > > > > > > The graduate with a Science degree asks, "Why does > > > > it work?" > > > > > The graduate with an Engineering degree asks, "How > > > > does it work?" > > > > > The graduate with an Accounting degree asks, "How > > > > much will it cost?" > > > > > The graduate with a Liberal Arts degree asks, "Do > > > > you want fries with > > > > that?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Understanding Engineers-Take Six > > > > > > > > > > Three engineering students were gathered together > > > > discussing the > > > > > possible designers of the human body. > > > > > One said, > > > > > "It was a mechanical engineer. Just look at all > > > > the joints." > > > > > Another said, > > > > > "No, it was an electrical engineer. The nervous > > > > system has > > > > > many thousands of electrical connections." > > > > > The last said, > > > > > "Actually it was a civil engineer. Who else would > > > > run a toxic > > > > > waste pipeline through a recreational area?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Understanding Engineers-Take Seven > > > > > > > > > > Normal people ... believe that if it ain't broke, > > > > don't fix it. > > > > > Engineers believe that if it ain't broke, > > > > > it doesn't have enough features yet." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Understanding Engineers-Take Eight > > > > > > > > > > An architect, an artist and an engineer were > > > > discussing whether it > > > > > was better to spend time with the wife or a > > > > mistress. > > > > > The architect said he enjoyed time with his wife, > > > > > building a solid foundation for an enduring > > > > relationship. > > > > > The artist said he enjoyed time with his mistress, > > > > > because of the passion and mystery he found there. > > > > > The engineer said, "I like both." > > > > > "Both?" > > > > > Engineer: "Yeah. If you have a wife and a > > > > mistress, they > > > > > will each assume you are spending time with the > > > > other > > > > > woman, and you can go to the plant and get some > > > > work done." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Understanding Engineers - Take Nine > > > > > > > > > > An engineer was crossing a road one day when a > > > > frog called out to > > > > > him and said, "If you kiss me, I'll turn into a > > > > beautiful princess". > > > > > He bent over, picked up the frog and put it in his > > > > pocket. > > > > > The frog then cried out, > > > > > "If you kiss me and turn me back into a princess, > > > > > I'll stay with you and do ANYTHING you want." > > > > > Finally, the frog asked, > > > > > "What is the matter? I've told you I'm a > > > > beautiful princess, > > > > > and do anything you want. Why won't you kiss me?" > > > > > The engineer said, "Look I'm an engineer. I don't > > > > have time for a > > > > > girlfriend, but a talking frog, now that's cool!" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From OregonRex@aol.com Mon Apr 08 21:14:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: OregonRex@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 9 Apr 2002 04:14:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 12769 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2002 04:14:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2002 04:14:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2002 04:14:01 -0000 Received: from OregonRex@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.1a7.68159e (4454) for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 00:13:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1a7.68159e.29e3c481@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 00:13:53 EDT Subject: Kloss Model 2 ? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: OregonRex@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Anyone tried doing AM stereo conversion to the Henry Kloss model 2 Table radio? Or asking them if they could add it? www.tivoliaudio.com From dav259@csiro.au Mon Apr 08 22:00:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 9 Apr 2002 05:00:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 72925 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2002 05:00:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2002 05:00:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2002 05:00:36 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06483 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 15:00:34 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 15:00:34 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Write to the FCC by this time next week! In-Reply-To: <001701c1df66$19f920a0$d3a9fea9@me> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Mon, 8 Apr 2002, Scott Todd wrote: > Your post brings up something else that I should have posted- those of you > in Canada, Australia, etc., normally you wouldn't comment on another > nation's proposed broadcast laws. Would you be willing to break that little > taboo and tell the FCC you saw my petition on the AMStereoRadio website, and > you think it's a wonderful idea, and would they please consider it since the > US is such a leader in such matters, and you want them to set some precedent > for your nation to follow? Scott - Good idea! - I'm more than willing to petition the FCC - but I'd like to know it goes to the right place. I searched the FCC site and couldn't find the petition - although there seemed to be three references to "Scott Todd" that went nowhere. Our web site says: "If you would like to add your name to or file any additional comments with the FCC regarding the Mandatory AM Receiver Standards Petition, please contact Scott Todd for further information and/or details. If and when the petition receives a docket or rulemaking (RM) number, the information will be posted here so interested parties can then file electronically via the FCC website." Has the petition got a "docket or rulemaking (RM) number"? If not (which is a worry in itself) I guess we'd just have to refer to the "Mandatory AM Receiver Standards Petition" submitted by you and 27 signatories on "such and such" a date. If so what was the date? Ian [ not and engineer!! :) ] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Apr 08 22:27:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 9 Apr 2002 05:27:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 35863 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2002 05:27:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2002 05:27:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2002 05:27:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2002 05:27:57 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 05:27:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Update Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 276 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.167 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics The AM Stereo Web Site has been updated to include revised USA and Canada station listings as well as additional information on the MetroSound tuner, including scanned photos of its original box and Owner's Manual. http://www.AMStereoRadio.com/ Now over 95,000 visitors! From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Tue Apr 09 09:15:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 9 Apr 2002 16:15:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 89861 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2002 16:08:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2002 16:08:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2002 16:08:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2002 16:07:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 16:07:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Update Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 700 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.144.123.243 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 You can remove: CKMO - 900 AM STEREO Victoria, BC (Variety; campus station) ??? CKST - 1040 AM STEREO Vancouver, BC (Sports Talk) ??? CKKW - 1090 AM STEREO Kitchener, ON (Sports Talk) CKHT - 1430 AM STEREO Toronto, ON (Chinese) CHIN - 1540 AM STEREO Toronto, ON (Multicultural) These have all been confirmed as MONO. MattH --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > The AM Stereo Web Site has been updated to include revised USA and > Canada station listings as well as additional information on the > MetroSound tuner, including scanned photos of its original box and > Owner's Manual. > > http://www.AMStereoRadio.com/ > Now over 95,000 visitors! From rfinder@telusplanet.net Tue Apr 09 10:01:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rfinder@telusplanet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 9 Apr 2002 17:01:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 3634 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2002 17:01:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2002 17:01:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2002 17:01:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2002 17:01:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 17:01:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Read This! Reply from CFCW 790 camrose Engineer!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006d01c1dde3$2543ce80$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1045 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "i2thesky2001" X-Originating-IP: 142.173.129.104 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public I've driven by the transmitter sight before, and I can tell you the TX housing looks like a tool shed in the middle of a field. The housing looks like it was made of masonry blocks with a shingled roof. Looks like it could handle some kind of heating system but from the outside, just doesnt look very sophisticated at all. I dont know this radio station personally, but I would invite you to drop them a line at the email posted by Kyle or call him at that number. (see original post) Newcap Media, Owner of CFCW is a smaller, locally owned company with three stations under it's belt. It's pretty clear that they dont have any kind of political or economically driven mandate to kill AM stereo. They just have some technical bugs to work out, and they havent uninstalled or sold AMS equipment yet, So there's still hope. Lets keep our fingers crossed that they go back to AMS soon, they have a huge coverage area in central northern Alberta. 3 tower diractional, daytime, 6 tower directional night time. 50 kW class B station. From dave_m1ctk@yahoo.co.uk Tue Apr 09 10:22:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dave_m1ctk@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 9 Apr 2002 17:22:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 3333 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2002 17:07:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2002 17:07:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2002 17:07:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2002 17:07:57 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 17:07:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: France Bleu back in stereo Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 20 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" X-Originating-IP: 213.121.66.216 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=70214876 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan As from today (9th) From amfmdx@fastq.com Tue Apr 09 10:30:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 9 Apr 2002 17:30:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 27246 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2002 17:16:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2002 17:16:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2002 17:16:02 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d29-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.61]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g39HG0n12996 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 10:16:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <002501c1dfea$34bb0e60$3df9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: Subject: Station update Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 10:15:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit AZ stereo listings... KTNN 660 is craptacular mono. I go up there a couple of times a year and they are stereo free. MONO. KUET 710 has a nostalgia format. [ ABC Timeless Classics ] KTZR 1450 and KSUN 1400 do not have a Spanish music format. They have a Mexican format and are mostly Ranchera and Nortena music. TX stereo listings... [ I get out that way from time to time ] KSAH 720 is definitely AM stereo. In fact, they are the ONLY AM stereo in San Antonio. KMKI 620, KAAM 770, and WBAP 820 are definitely 100% AM stereo. CO stereo listings... KLZ 560, KLTT 670, KLVZ 1220, KCMN 1530, KBJD 1650, KADZ 1690 can be confirmed as 100% AM stereo. CA listings.... KCTC 1320 is stereo or was about 3 months ago. KFMB 760 is craptacular MONO ALL THE TIME. Thats it from Arizona. Kevin Mesa, Arizona "I worry that the person who thought up Muzak may be thinking up something else." Lily Tomlin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Apr 09 11:03:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 9 Apr 2002 18:03:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 63873 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2002 17:45:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2002 17:45:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14208.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2002 17:45:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20020409174552.93182.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Apr 2002 10:45:52 PDT Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 10:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: IBOC comments to the FCC To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Anyone wishing to send comments to the FCC about IBOC – AM (and or IBOC-FM) should put the following reference with their comments: “MM Docket No. 99-325” then mail comments to: Magalie Roman Salas, Commission Secretary Federal Communications Commission 236 Massachusetts Avenue, NE Suite 110 Washington, DC 20002 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From jwelton@nautel.com Tue Apr 09 11:48:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 9 Apr 2002 18:48:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 50309 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2002 18:30:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2002 18:30:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserver.nautel.com) (24.222.4.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2002 18:30:26 -0000 Received: FROM jeff-welton BY mailserver.nautel.com ; Tue Apr 09 15:31:14 2002 -0300 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 15:30:06 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Read This! Reply from CFCW 790 camrose Engineer!! Message-ID: <3CB308FF.28324.13D37FD@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: <006d01c1dde3$2543ce80$d3a9fea9@me> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body From: "Jeff Welton" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 > Newcap Media, Owner of CFCW is a smaller, locally owned company with > three stations under it's belt. It's pretty clear that they dont have > any kind of political or economically driven mandate to kill AM > stereo. They just have some technical bugs to work out, and they > havent uninstalled or sold AMS equipment yet, So there's still hope. Actually, Newcap is based in Newfoundland, and wholly owns 26 stations, as well as having controlling interests in 3 others, in addition to several dailies. CRTC's website shows the list of stations owned, at: http://www.crtc.gc.ca/Ownership/Cht71.pdf . You folks would be in a much better position than I to determine what stations on this list are AMS or not. I know from talking to the station staff with our gear, there has never really been any indication one way or another as to any of the stations running AMS. Incidentally, if you remove the Cht71.pdf extension from the end of that URL, you get a list of all media owners in Canada, with links to their respective ownership charts - makes for some moderately interesting reading! Jeff Welton Nautel Customer Service Dept. Tel.: 1-902-823-3900 ext. 127 Fax: 1-902-823-3183 email: jwelton@nautel.com From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Apr 09 12:26:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 9 Apr 2002 19:26:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 44762 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2002 19:26:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2002 19:26:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11707.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2002 19:26:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20020409192600.20372.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.32.151] by web11707.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Apr 2002 12:26:00 PDT Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 12:26:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Station update To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <002501c1dfea$34bb0e60$3df9bed8@kredding430cdt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio WOON/1240-Woonsocket, R.I. is mono too. R.I. is AMS free. 73, Jay,N1WVQ Board-op WALE/990-Providence. 50,000Watts. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From jwelton@nautel.com Tue Apr 09 13:01:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 9 Apr 2002 20:01:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 59647 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2002 20:00:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2002 20:00:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserver.nautel.com) (24.222.4.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2002 20:00:47 -0000 Received: FROM jeff-welton BY mailserver.nautel.com ; Tue Apr 09 17:01:33 2002 -0300 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 17:00:30 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Station update Message-ID: <3CB31E2B.16500.18FEF93@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20020409192600.20372.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com> References: <002501c1dfea$34bb0e60$3df9bed8@kredding430cdt> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body From: "Jeff Welton" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 > WOON/1240-Woonsocket, R.I. is mono too. R.I. is AMS > free. Now that's interesting, given that WOON's ND1 has an integral C-QUAM exciter, which would have to be physically switched to mono mode and the pilot switched off. They'd then have to parallel a mono audio channel to both the left and right inputs. Was this station ever stereo? Maybe the transmitter was purchased with the plan to convert at some point and it just never happened. Jeff Welton Nautel Customer Service Dept. Tel.: 1-902-823-3900 ext. 127 Fax: 1-902-823-3183 email: jwelton@nautel.com From jwelton@nautel.com Tue Apr 09 13:11:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 9 Apr 2002 20:11:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 94156 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2002 20:10:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2002 20:10:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserver.nautel.com) (24.222.4.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2002 20:10:53 -0000 Received: FROM jeff-welton BY mailserver.nautel.com ; Tue Apr 09 17:11:40 2002 -0300 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 17:10:37 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Station update Message-ID: <3CB3208A.27023.1993424@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20020409192600.20372.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com> References: <002501c1dfea$34bb0e60$3df9bed8@kredding430cdt> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body From: "Jeff Welton" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 > WOON/1240-Woonsocket, R.I. is mono too. R.I. is AMS > free. Now that's interesting, given that WOON's ND1 has an integral C-QUAM exciter, which would have to be physically switched to mono mode and the pilot switched off. They'd then have to parallel a mono audio channel to both the left and right inputs. Was this station ever stereo? Maybe the transmitter was purchased with the plan to convert at some point and it just never happened. Jeff Welton Nautel Customer Service Dept. Tel.: 1-902-823-3900 ext. 127 Fax: 1-902-823-3183 email: jwelton@nautel.com From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Apr 09 17:24:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 10 Apr 2002 00:24:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 39180 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2002 00:24:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2002 00:24:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2002 00:24:03 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-235.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.235]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g3A0NNdj001232 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 19:23:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002801c1e026$0202c6c0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Read This! Reply from CFCW 790 camrose Engineer!! Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 19:23:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Engineering is always free to a low budget company that would like to remain/resume AMS operation. What sort of tech problems do they have? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: i2thesky2001 > Newcap Media, Owner of CFCW is a smaller, locally owned company with > three stations under it's belt. It's pretty clear that they dont have > any kind of political or economically driven mandate to kill AM > stereo. They just have some technical bugs to work out, and they > havent uninstalled or sold AMS equipment yet, So there's still hope. From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Apr 09 17:27:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 10 Apr 2002 00:27:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 7286 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2002 00:27:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2002 00:27:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2002 00:27:10 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-235.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.235]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g3A0QWdj001790 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 19:26:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003201c1e026$7266bfc0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <002501c1dfea$34bb0e60$3df9bed8@kredding430cdt> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Station update Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 19:27:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Are you sure about KBJD? Last time I heard them they were pilot only. Admittedly that was some time ago. Usually KCNZ in Cedar Rapids IA and KBJD make each other's signal unlistenable. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin > CO stereo listings... > > KLZ 560, KLTT 670, KLVZ 1220, KCMN 1530, KBJD 1650, KADZ 1690 can be confirmed as 100% AM stereo. From watan-ko@rtri.or.jp Tue Apr 09 17:36:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: watan-ko@rtri.or.jp X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 10 Apr 2002 00:36:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 96098 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2002 00:36:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2002 00:36:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maglev.rtri.or.jp) (210.254.18.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2002 00:36:45 -0000 Received: by maglev.rtri.or.jp; id JAA02044; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:36:43 +0900 Received: from unknown(192.168.101.67) by maglev.rtri.or.jp via smap (V5.0) id xmaa02019; Wed, 10 Apr 02 09:36:35 +0900 Received: from compaq-67 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ipc02.rtri.or.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FF3D350F0 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:33:12 +0900 (JST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: TA-8120 and TA-8124 Message-Id: <200204100933.AJI11024.-PBXUBOL@rtri.or.jp> X-Mailer: Winbiff [Version 2.33] X-Accept-Language: ja,en Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:33:14 +0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Koji Watanabe X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67746350 X-Yahoo-Profile: irukero Dear members, I found Toshiba AMS decoder chips TA-8120(exact replacement of MC- 13020) and TA-8124 sold by Techsonic. http://www.angelfire.com/biz/techsonic/page6.html I think their prices are a little expensive(TA8120 $8.66, TA8124 $8.90), but they say they can sell small quantity(under 10). From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Apr 09 17:37:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 10 Apr 2002 00:37:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 24741 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2002 00:37:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2002 00:37:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2002 00:37:41 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-235.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.235]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g3A0b2dj003592 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 19:37:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <005401c1e027$ea44ac40$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Write to the FCC by this time next week! Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 19:37:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude It has not been assigned any docket or rule-making numbers. The petition reference was that you saw it on the AMStereoRadio.com website, not the FCC's. It was submitted in April 2000, but I don't think that's necessary to include. Just refer to the Mandatory AM Receiver Standards Petition authored by Scott Todd and Larry Langford. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Davidson > "If you would like to add your name to or file any additional comments > with the FCC regarding the Mandatory AM Receiver Standards Petition, please > contact Scott Todd for further information and/or details. If and when the > petition receives a docket or rulemaking (RM) number, the information will > be posted here so interested parties can then file electronically via the > FCC website." > > Has the petition got a "docket or rulemaking (RM) number"? If not (which > is a worry in itself) I guess we'd just have to refer to the "Mandatory AM > Receiver Standards Petition" submitted by you and 27 signatories on "such > and such" a date. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Apr 09 18:42:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 10 Apr 2002 01:42:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 30943 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2002 01:42:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2002 01:42:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2002 01:42:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2002 01:42:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 01:42:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: TA-8120 and TA-8124 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200204100933.AJI11024.-PBXUBOL@rtri.or.jp> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 754 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.71 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., Koji Watanabe wrote: > Dear members, > > I found Toshiba AMS decoder chips TA-8120(exact replacement of MC- > 13020) and TA-8124 sold by Techsonic. > > http://www.angelfire.com/biz/techsonic/page6.html > > I think their prices are a little expensive(TA8120 $8.66, TA8124 > $8.90), but they say they can sell small quantity(under 10). Steep to say the least. I can remember when I bought MC13020s for $4 a peice in the mid '80s I wonder if the 8120 is just a restamped Motorola MC13020 or did Toshiba do some redesign to address some of the flaws that the cosine error amp had in the 13020 Does anybody know if the 8124 is directly related to any Motorola chips like the 8120 is to the 13020? JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Apr 09 20:29:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 10 Apr 2002 03:29:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 86668 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2002 03:29:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2002 03:29:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2002 03:29:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2002 03:29:48 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 03:29:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: TA-8120 and TA-8124 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1868 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.69.39 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I wonder if the 8120 is just a restamped Motorola MC13020 or did > Toshiba do some redesign to address some of the flaws that the > cosine error amp had in the 13020 I have heard that over the years Motorola produced the MC13020 (1983-1992?), they did make some improvements to its design, but unfortunately without adding a revision number to keep track of these changes. So, an MC13020 from the late 1980s is probably going to have better performance and sound quality than an original one from 1984. At to whether or not Toshiba did any tweaking with their version of it, I don't know, but it is possible. > Does anybody know if the 8124 is directly related to any Motorola > chips like the 8120 is to the 13020? As far as I can determine from its data sheet, the TA8124 is basically the TA8120 with the addition of an IF input amplifier and AGC (better sensitvity for weak signals and less chance of overloading on strong signals), and LED tuning indicators for manually tuned radios to aid in tuning to the exact center of the signal for best sound quality. The TA8124 can also be easily adapted to run in "forced Stereo" mode while on the MC13020 it is not so easy. There was another Toshiba AM Stereo decoder chip, better/newer than the TA8124, whose number escapes me at the moment. Many Japanese AM Stereo radios used the TA8124, but some used this newer chip, which was designed for best use in digitally tuned radios. p.s. Didn't somebody on this group buy that Kahn "Stereo, Stereo" receiver that was on eBay? I would like to know what kind of decoder it used -- probably discrete components, like Sansui used, except only designed for the Kahn/ISB system? (For those who don't remember, this radio was an ordinary AM/FM tuner that Leonard Kahn himself modified for Kahn AM Stereo reception and sold in limited numbers.) From watan-ko@rtri.or.jp Tue Apr 09 21:11:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: watan-ko@rtri.or.jp X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 10 Apr 2002 04:11:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 79655 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2002 04:11:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2002 04:11:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maglev.rtri.or.jp) (210.254.18.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2002 04:11:51 -0000 Received: by maglev.rtri.or.jp; id NAA07051; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:11:49 +0900 Received: from unknown(192.168.101.67) by maglev.rtri.or.jp via smap (V5.0) id xmah06993; Wed, 10 Apr 02 13:11:17 +0900 Received: from compaq-67 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ipc02.rtri.or.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05CCF350F0 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:09:58 +0900 (JST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: TA-8120 and TA-8124 Message-Id: <200204101309.FEF50153.PO-BUXBL@rtri.or.jp> X-Mailer: Winbiff [Version 2.33] X-Accept-Language: ja,en Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:09:56 +0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Koji Watanabe X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67746350 X-Yahoo-Profile: irukero Dear JSG, The TA-8120 is an exact replica of MC13020 and it can be replaced with '020, of course. I confirmed this fact when I made AMS decoder with '020. However, the TA-8120 is not a reprint version of '020. Toshiba actually made TA-8120. As for the TA-8124, which is developed in '88, it's similar to Motorola MC13028. It's very easy to use and has less components compared with TA-8120. Sincerely, Koji Watanabe Shiga, JAPAN From kjones_731@yahoo.com Tue Apr 09 21:12:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kjones_731@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 10 Apr 2002 04:12:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 68440 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2002 04:12:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2002 04:12:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12208.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2002 04:12:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20020410041209.47594.qmail@web12208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.32.179.249] by web12208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Apr 2002 21:12:09 PDT Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 21:12:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Station update To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <003201c1e026$7266bfc0$d3a9fea9@me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Kirk Jones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=58737040 X-Yahoo-Profile: kjones_731 --- Scott Todd wrote: > Are you sure about KBJD? Last time I heard them > they were pilot only. > Admittedly that was some time ago. Usually KCNZ in > Cedar Rapids IA and KBJD > make each other's signal unlistenable. > > ST > ----- Original Message ----- > From: kevin > > CO stereo listings... > > > > KLZ 560, KLTT 670, KLVZ 1220, KCMN 1530, KBJD > 1650, KADZ 1690 can be > confirmed as 100% AM stereo. > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From rfinder@telusplanet.net Tue Apr 09 21:32:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rfinder@telusplanet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 10 Apr 2002 04:32:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 5075 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2002 04:32:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2002 04:32:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2002 04:32:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2002 04:32:51 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 04:32:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Read This! Reply from CFCW 790 camrose Engineer!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002801c1e026$0202c6c0$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 481 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "i2thesky2001" X-Originating-IP: 142.173.129.104 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Scott Todd" wrote: > Engineering is always free to a low budget company that would like to > remain/resume AMS operation. What sort of tech problems do they have? > > Scott Todd > Go back a few pages to message # 1725. Lyle, the engineer at the station reported that exciters become unstable at lower tempuratures. If you need his Email address, and Phone # , it should be in that post. Mabey you could give him some suggestions. From dav259@csiro.au Tue Apr 09 21:58:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 10 Apr 2002 04:58:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 76171 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2002 04:58:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2002 04:58:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2002 04:58:43 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29112 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:58:41 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:58:40 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: Mandatory AM Receiver Standards Petition (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public There must be many on this list who weren't the original 27 who put their name to Scott's petition to the FCC two years ago. Why not add your name to it now? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:52:41 +1000 (EST) From: Ian Davidson To: mpowell@fcc.gov Cc: kabernat@fcc.gov, mcopps@fcc.gov, kjmweb@fcc.gov Subject: Mandatory AM Receiver Standards Petition, April 2000 Dear Chairman Powell and Commissioners I was recently looking at the AMStereoRadio.com website and was impressed with the Mandatory AM Receiver Standards Petition submitted by Scott Todd and Larry Langford and 27 signatories in April 2000. If possible, I wish to add my name to the list of signatories. I do implore that you mandate the receiver standards as per this petition as soon as possible. Living in Melbourne, Australia we have the ludicrous situation that all five commercial AM stations broadcast in C-Quam stereo. Yet for the past few years it is impossible to purchase an AM stereo receiver locally. As a world market leader should these standards be mandated in the US it would lead to a worldwide renaissance of quality hi-fidelity AM radio. Yours faithfully Ian R. Davidson ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ian Davidson _--_|\ home: 61 3 9534 8786 41 Smith Street / \ work: 61 3 9545 8717 St. Kilda Beach Vic 3182 \_.--.*/ mobile: 61 0421 500 720 Australia v ian.davidson@csiro.au ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Tue Apr 09 22:30:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 10 Apr 2002 05:30:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 24696 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2002 05:30:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2002 05:30:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2002 05:30:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2002 05:30:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 05:30:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Mandatory AM Receiver Standards Petition (fwd) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1815 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.135.52.247 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 Add my name Matthew Hawthorne --- In amstereoforum@y..., Ian Davidson wrote: > > There must be many on this list who weren't the original 27 who put their > name to Scott's petition to the FCC two years ago. > > Why not add your name to it now? > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:52:41 +1000 (EST) > From: Ian Davidson > To: mpowell@f... > Cc: kabernat@f..., mcopps@f..., kjmweb@f... > > Subject: Mandatory AM Receiver Standards Petition, April 2000 > > > Dear Chairman Powell and Commissioners > > > I was recently looking at the AMStereoRadio.com website and was impressed > with the Mandatory AM Receiver Standards Petition submitted by Scott Todd > and Larry Langford and 27 signatories in April 2000. If possible, I wish > to add my name to the list of signatories. > > I do implore that you mandate the receiver standards as per this petition > as soon as possible. Living in Melbourne, Australia we have the ludicrous > situation that all five commercial AM stations broadcast in C-Quam stereo. > Yet for the past few years it is impossible to purchase an AM stereo > receiver locally. As a world market leader should these standards be > mandated in the US it would lead to a worldwide renaissance of quality > hi-fidelity AM radio. > > > Yours faithfully > > Ian R. Davidson > -------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > Ian Davidson _--_|\ home: 61 3 9534 8786 > 41 Smith Street / \ work: 61 3 9545 8717 > St. Kilda Beach Vic 3182 \_.--.*/ mobile: 61 0421 500 720 > Australia v ian.davidson@c... > -------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From dav259@csiro.au Tue Apr 09 22:38:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 10 Apr 2002 05:38:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 60134 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2002 05:38:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2002 05:38:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2002 05:38:07 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00653 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:38:05 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:38:05 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Mandatory AM Receiver Standards Petition (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Matt I think you'll have to contact the FCC yourself and indicate how it would improve the situation in Canada. (Or can we get another "bulk" response going?) Ian ________________________________________ On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, matt_haw2000 wrote: > Add my name Matthew Hawthorne > > --- In amstereoforum@y..., Ian Davidson wrote: From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Apr 10 01:14:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 10 Apr 2002 08:14:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 62662 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2002 08:14:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2002 08:14:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2002 08:14:05 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.47]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 04:14:41 -0400 Message-ID: <001d01c1e067$d5d45400$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: TA-8120 and TA-8124 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 04:15:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 That would be the TA2040. Used in many Aiwa and others- basically, it is a TA8124 without the support for the tuning LED's- just drives a stereo LED. Made for digital tuning applications. It is far more expensive due to limited availability. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics To: Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 11:29 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: TA-8120 and TA-8124 > > There was another Toshiba AM Stereo decoder chip, better/newer than > the TA8124, whose number escapes me at the moment. Many Japanese AM > Stereo radios used the TA8124, but some used this newer chip, which > was designed for best use in digitally tuned radios. From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Apr 10 01:20:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 10 Apr 2002 08:20:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 52957 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2002 08:20:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2002 08:20:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2002 08:20:23 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.47]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 04:21:01 -0400 Message-ID: <002501c1e068$b8bd0320$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: TA-8120 and TA-8124 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 04:21:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I have 500 TA8124's that I bought from a supplier directly from China, and paid 65¢ each for them, just about a year ago. Many of you may not realize it, but I already have 300 boards made for the new radio pictured in the "DIY" part of the www.amstereoradio.com website. The hangup has always been getting a case made for them. Unless someone knows someone in the plastics biz, the project will never come to completion. We need some company that is hungry for work. I really have no ideas for this. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: jsgilst To: Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 9:42 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: TA-8120 and TA-8124 > > > > I think their prices are a little expensive(TA8120 $8.66, TA8124 > > $8.90), but they say they can sell small quantity(under 10). > > > Steep to say the least. I can remember when I bought MC13020s > for $4 a peice in the mid '80s From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Apr 10 06:42:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 10 Apr 2002 13:41:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 32958 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2002 13:41:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2002 13:41:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2002 13:41:51 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-126.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.126]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g3ADfCdj013449 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 08:41:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003201c1e095$76f98ee0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <200204101309.FEF50153.PO-BUXBL@rtri.or.jp> Subject: Re: {AMSF} TA-8120 and TA-8124 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 08:41:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Chris, Any chance I could get the improved version of the TA-8124 decoder, or at least the schematic for it? I'd like to add tuning LEDs to my stereo which I did some time ago but I left those off when they caused interference. Scott Todd > As for the TA-8124, which is developed in '88, it's similar to > Motorola MC13028. It's very easy to use and has less components compared > with TA-8120. From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Apr 10 06:59:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 10 Apr 2002 13:59:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 48701 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2002 13:59:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2002 13:59:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2002 13:59:36 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-126.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.126]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g3ADwvdj016660 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 08:58:58 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001401c1e097$f1c53000$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Mandatory AM Receiver Standards Petition (fwd) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 08:59:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I'll write it up myself if there are others here who want to merely add their names. It has to look as much like the way you see it typed up on the petition. Sounds fussy, I know, but this is the government we're dealing with here. Don't forget to make a bunch of copies. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Davidson To: Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 12:38 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Mandatory AM Receiver Standards Petition (fwd) > Matt > > I think you'll have to contact the FCC yourself and indicate how it would > improve the situation in Canada. > > (Or can we get another "bulk" response going?) > > Ian > ________________________________________ > On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, matt_haw2000 wrote: > > > Add my name Matthew Hawthorne > > > > --- In amstereoforum@y..., Ian Davidson wrote: > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Apr 10 07:04:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 10 Apr 2002 14:04:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 91239 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2002 14:03:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2002 14:03:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2002 14:03:08 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-126.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.126]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g3AE2Tdj017266 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:02:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002201c1e098$701bb780$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Mandatory AM Receiver Standards Petition (fwd) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:03:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude One other note, those of you who aren't American citizens will have to write your own letters to the FCC. Please send a signed original and at least 12 copies (14 would be better, in case any of the commissioners' assistants want their own copy.) ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Davidson To: Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 12:38 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Mandatory AM Receiver Standards Petition (fwd) > Matt > > I think you'll have to contact the FCC yourself and indicate how it would > improve the situation in Canada. > > (Or can we get another "bulk" response going?) > > Ian > ________________________________________ > On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, matt_haw2000 wrote: > > > Add my name Matthew Hawthorne > > > > --- In amstereoforum@y..., Ian Davidson wrote: > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Apr 10 07:09:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 10 Apr 2002 14:09:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 9304 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2002 13:56:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2002 13:56:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2002 13:56:07 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-126.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.126]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g3ADt9dj015959 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 08:55:28 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000c01c1e097$74c5fb20$d3a9fea9@me> To: Subject: OT-settings help Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 08:55:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I use Outlook Express and I want to change the browser it uses to open hyperlinks from Netscape to IE. I can't seem to find the right place to make the change. Netscape 6 doesn't work worth a hoot in my system and I want to delete it. Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From philipr@irac.pe.ca Wed Apr 10 07:24:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 10 Apr 2002 14:24:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 61638 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2002 14:24:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2002 14:24:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2002 14:24:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2002 14:24:19 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:24:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: TA-8120 and TA-8124 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002501c1e068$b8bd0320$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2146 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Christopher Cuff" wrote: > I have 500 TA8124's that I bought from a supplier directly from=20 China, and > paid 65=A2 each for them, just about a year ago. > Many of you may not realize it, but I already have 300 boards made=20 for the > new radio pictured in the "DIY" part of the www.amstereoradio.com=20 website. > The hangup has always been getting a case made for them. Chris, would it be possible to build a few as modules, then sell=20 them to interested people to incorporate into their own custom made=20 case? For starters, there would be a certain market right on this=20 list, which could then be extended to ebay. Getting it on ebay=20 helps promote the cause and increase interest too. As I write this,=20 I'm thinking how the board could be built into a gorgeous wood case,=20 equipped the nifty 20 watt per channel canakit modular amp, and a=20 couple good speakers. I recognize that this was originally intended=20 as a little portable, but a bigger receiver with a wooden case could=20 be gorgeous with a lot of retro / antique appeal. Makes me think of=20 the early days of the auto industry, where the engine and chassis=20 was built by one firm, while the coachwork was done by another -=20 more locally. The other option might be a wood case portable - about the size of a=20 boombox, or a Trans-oceanic. Lots of audio wallop, perhaps covered=20 in Tolex. As well, I recall seeing a little very early wood cased Sony on=20 ebay - give it a retro look and it could be very popular. My guess is that for a plastic case, we'd need major volume - and I=20 don't think 300 will cut it.=20=20 A ready to go radio modual might be very interesting to the=20 woodworking set - especially if someone with woodworking experience=20 could prepare plans for a snappy looking case. As well, might have a good possibility as a kit - I would certainly=20 volunteer to help write / edit a good instruction manual. Having said that - I'm going back on ebay and putting another bid on=20 your transmitter / radio / decoder board package! I probably won't=20 be the lucky bidder, but its nice to see the interest and the bids=20 go higher! Phil From philipr@irac.pe.ca Wed Apr 10 07:34:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 10 Apr 2002 14:34:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 31163 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2002 14:34:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2002 14:34:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2002 14:34:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2002 14:34:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:34:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: radio case challenge Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 323 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking I just had another look at Chris's radio on the DIY section - I had forgot it was AM Stereo / FM Stereo. This could make the basis of a very nice table radio - perfect for home or office. Like radios of old, it could include an aux input - not for a phono but for a personal CD player or MP3 player to plug in. Phil From amfmdx@fastq.com Wed Apr 10 07:51:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 10 Apr 2002 14:50:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 60950 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2002 14:49:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2002 14:49:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2002 14:49:12 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d8-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.40]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g3AEnBn33689 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 07:49:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <003f01c1e09e$13b702a0$28f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <20020409192600.20372.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Station update Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 07:43:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 > Jay,N1WVQ > Board-op WALE/990-Providence. 50,000Watts. Jay, Does this mean that I get to hear some of your work on KFNX since you are working got North American Broadcasting now? What shows do you work? BTW, I have a QSL from WALE when they were a 100 watt station on 1400 in Fall River. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From amfmguy@yahoo.com Wed Apr 10 08:03:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmguy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 10 Apr 2002 15:03:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 65814 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2002 14:54:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2002 14:54:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2002 14:54:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2002 14:54:16 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:54:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Mandatory AM Receiver Standards Petition (fwd) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2553 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amfmguy" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.234.142 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97335768 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy I certainly concur with Ian Davidson's concern. As for AM-stereo equipment being available, no one, save the members of this group seem to be interested in addressing the subject. However, AM-stereo in its present state, still has a lot of problems, many of them, I understand, are imbedded in the choice of C-QUAM as the official transmission method. Regardless, I think AM-stereo reception is not only going to continue as a fact of life, it is about to enter a renaissance, perhaps even a paridigm shift in its manner and method of doing so. Perhaps you might want to cull the Radio World pages a little more closely in the next few months as the debate about AM, AM-stereo and IBOC just might be getting a whole lot more interesting. Cheers, Marv --- In amstereoforum@y..., Ian Davidson wrote: > > There must be many on this list who weren't the original 27 who put their > name to Scott's petition to the FCC two years ago. > > Why not add your name to it now? > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:52:41 +1000 (EST) > From: Ian Davidson > To: mpowell@f... > Cc: kabernat@f..., mcopps@f..., kjmweb@f... > > Subject: Mandatory AM Receiver Standards Petition, April 2000 > > > Dear Chairman Powell and Commissioners > > > I was recently looking at the AMStereoRadio.com website and was impressed > with the Mandatory AM Receiver Standards Petition submitted by Scott Todd > and Larry Langford and 27 signatories in April 2000. If possible, I wish > to add my name to the list of signatories. > > I do implore that you mandate the receiver standards as per this petition > as soon as possible. Living in Melbourne, Australia we have the ludicrous > situation that all five commercial AM stations broadcast in C-Quam stereo. > Yet for the past few years it is impossible to purchase an AM stereo > receiver locally. As a world market leader should these standards be > mandated in the US it would lead to a worldwide renaissance of quality > hi-fidelity AM radio. > > > Yours faithfully > > Ian R. Davidson > -------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > Ian Davidson _--_|\ home: 61 3 9534 8786 > 41 Smith Street / \ work: 61 3 9545 8717 > St. Kilda Beach Vic 3182 \_.--.*/ mobile: 61 0421 500 720 > Australia v ian.davidson@c... > -------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From amfmdx@fastq.com Wed Apr 10 08:42:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 10 Apr 2002 15:42:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 8628 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2002 15:10:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2002 15:10:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2002 15:10:21 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d8-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.40]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g3AFAIn34158 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 08:10:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <008801c1e0a0$ff422a40$28f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <002501c1dfea$34bb0e60$3df9bed8@kredding430cdt> <003201c1e026$7266bfc0$d3a9fea9@me> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Station update Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 08:04:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 KBJD is stereo. I know their CE very well. Kevin Mesa, Arizona ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 5:27 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Station update > Are you sure about KBJD? Last time I heard them they were pilot only. > Admittedly that was some time ago. Usually KCNZ in Cedar Rapids IA and KBJD > make each other's signal unlistenable. > > ST > ----- Original Message ----- > From: kevin > > CO stereo listings... > > > > KLZ 560, KLTT 670, KLVZ 1220, KCMN 1530, KBJD 1650, KADZ 1690 can be > confirmed as 100% AM stereo. > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Apr 10 08:43:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 10 Apr 2002 15:43:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 5535 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2002 15:43:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2002 15:43:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO boron.vcn.com) (209.193.72.5) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2002 15:43:16 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.5]) by boron.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:43:16 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} OT-settings help Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:43:18 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <000c01c1e097$74c5fb20$d3a9fea9@me> From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott....I'd try this Go into Control Panel and go to "Add / Remove Programs". Then look for Netscape's entry in the list of installed programs. Click the Add/Remove button to uninstall it. Then when that's done you may want to restart. Then once you're back up, double-click the "E" for Internet Explorer. At that point it SHOULD tell you "Internet Explorer is not your default browser for viewing web pages. Would you like it to be?" and then just click YES. Then you should be set. Otherwise, it'll be under your default windows "file associations". Let me know if that doesn't work and I'll tell ya how to do it using file associations. The setting isn't anywhere in Outlook Express. Good Luck! -----Original Message----- From: Scott Todd [mailto:stodd@sherbtel.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 7:56 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} OT-settings help I use Outlook Express and I want to change the browser it uses to open hyperlinks from Netscape to IE. I can't seem to find the right place to make the change. Netscape 6 doesn't work worth a hoot in my system and I want to delete it. Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmdx@fastq.com Wed Apr 10 08:54:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 10 Apr 2002 15:54:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 16147 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2002 15:54:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2002 15:54:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2002 15:54:49 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d8-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.40]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g3AFskn35835 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 08:54:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <013201c1e0a7$281f8880$28f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Mandatory AM Receiver Standards Petition (fwd) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 08:48:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 > I certainly concur with Ian Davidson's concern. I was one of the very first to sign the petition. I would love to see it happen but unless a lot of people sign on to the thing, then its not going to happen. When I say a lot of people, I mean 27 THOUSAND people and not 27. If you haven't signed, sign it. The corporations are not going to be for it and it will take a lot of people to overcome them. > Regardless, I think AM-stereo reception is not only going to continue > as a fact of life, it is about to enter a renaissance, perhaps even a > paridigm shift in its manner and method of doing so. I would like to know what you base this assumption that AM stereo is going to enter a renaissance? I will not challenge it, I just want to know what makes you have this idea? > Perhaps you > might want to cull the Radio World pages a little more closely in the > next few months as the debate about AM, AM-stereo and IBOC just might > be getting a whole lot more interesting. Can you fill us in on this? Most of us don't get Radio World and I know that I am interested if no one else is. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Apr 10 09:02:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 10 Apr 2002 16:02:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 24979 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2002 15:52:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2002 15:52:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11704.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2002 15:52:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20020410155200.89688.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.37.51] by web11704.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 08:52:00 PDT Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 08:52:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Station update To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <003f01c1e09e$13b702a0$28f9bed8@kredding430cdt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio KFNX hasn't asked me to do any liners or anything like that yet, but if they do I can let you know. Apparently WALE was popular in Fall River. It's now 1kW WHTB running Portugeuse-language programming. Their sister station WSAR said they wanted me for a job as a newscaster and then never called me back. Have a good one. 73, Jay,N1WVQ P.S.: Yes, WALE is mono. It uses ONE phone line and that is it. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From amfmdx@fastq.com Wed Apr 10 09:24:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 10 Apr 2002 16:24:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 41461 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2002 16:22:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2002 16:22:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2002 16:22:56 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d8-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.40]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g3AGMtn37152 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:22:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <018801c1e0ab$0b43b2a0$28f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <20020410155200.89688.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Station update Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:16:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 > P.S.: Yes, WALE is mono. It uses ONE phone line and > that is it. Your counterparts at KFNX were KCCF and they were awesome stereo. They were the best I ever heard and as soon as North American bought them, the stereo was off. KFNX was miserable as hell in the beginning but there is some slow improvement. Too bad though that almost all the stuff is informercials. Do you have anything to do with the punk rock, skaters and other shows that are on in the weekend we here over here on KFNX? Kevin Mesa, Arizona From narkspud@hotmail.com Wed Apr 10 09:27:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 10 Apr 2002 16:27:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 75788 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2002 16:27:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2002 16:27:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.16.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2002 16:27:02 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:27:02 -0700 Received: from 67.89.146.146 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:27:02 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Mandatory AM Receiver Standards Petition (fwd) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:27:02 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2002 16:27:02.0597 (UTC) FILETIME=[8BB4E750:01C1E0AC] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.89.146.146] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud > > Perhaps you > > might want to cull the Radio World pages a little more closely in the > > next few months as the debate about AM, AM-stereo and IBOC just might > > be getting a whole lot more interesting. > >Can you fill us in on this? Most of us don't get Radio World and I know >that >I am interested if no one else is. Seems to me that a smaller AM station operatior, staring down the gunbarrel of a huge IBOC investment, might be experiencng a renaissance of interest in relatively inexpensive AM Stereo! I can't imagine why any AM broadcaster would choose IBOC over AM Stereo if presented with the facts--IBOC sounds worse, reduces coverage, costs a packet, and causes existing radios to sound dreadful. The choice is obvious even for corporate execs (unless they have a vested financial interest in the success of IBOC, ahem). narkspud _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Apr 10 10:26:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 10 Apr 2002 17:26:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 64530 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2002 17:19:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2002 17:19:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO boron.vcn.com) (209.193.72.5) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2002 17:19:46 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.5]) by boron.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 11:19:46 -0600 To: Cc: "ABDX@topica. com" Subject: KDIS n WYO? Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 11:19:48 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <018801c1e0ab$0b43b2a0$28f9bed8@kredding430cdt> From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey DX'ers and stereo'ers (is that a word?) Picked up some radio disney in brilliant AM STEREO last night at 710. Never been there before. I'm supposing this is KDIS that we've been talking about lately? I guess they still must be at 50Kw. Pretty good signal here in Wyo. MJR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jsgil@hal-pc.org Wed Apr 10 12:41:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 10 Apr 2002 19:41:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 27936 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2002 19:31:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2002 19:31:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2002 19:31:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2002 19:31:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:31:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: TA-8120 and TA-8124 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002501c1e068$b8bd0320$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 966 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.107 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Christopher Cuff" wrote: > Many of you may not realize it, but I already have 300 boards made > for the new radio pictured in the "DIY" part of > the www.amstereoradio.com > The hangup has always been getting a case made for them. > Unless someone knows someone in the plastics biz, the project will never > come to completion. > We need some company that is hungry for work. I really have no ideas for > this. > Chris Which radio on the DIY page is it? What kind of case are we talking about? Is a plexiglass case OK or do we need a custom molded case? I have a friend who has a plex shop in his house and could make cases. His overhead is pretty low so he might be able to make them cheaper then someone who runs a full blown commercial shop. He's pretty busy right now but he does experience slow times every now and then. I don't know what kind of cost we are looking at or what we are willing to pay though. JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Apr 10 12:42:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 10 Apr 2002 19:42:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 42291 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2002 19:42:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2002 19:42:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2002 19:42:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2002 19:41:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:41:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Mandatory AM Receiver Standards Petition (fwd) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1194 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.93.37 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > However, AM-stereo in its present state, still has a lot of > problems, many of them, I understand, are imbedded in the choice of > C-QUAM as the official transmission method. Most of these problems have been addressed by the more advanced C-Quam decoders such as the MC13022 and MC13122 chips. GM/Delco and Chrysler AM Stereo car radios from 1993 to present use the MC13022 chip, and I have personally never heard any "platform motion" or other problems from these radios. If you are basing your experience with the C-Quam system on an old Sony multi-system radio or original MC13020 based receiver, then you will be truly impressed with the quality of these newer designs, especially when they are "AMAX" certified. Every broadcasting system that has been chosen as a standard by the FCC is not perfect. The MPX FM Stereo and NTSC Color TV systems are notably flawed in many aspects. However, to the ears and eyes of the typical consumer, they both work fine, as does C-Quam AM Stereo, and that is the most important thing. A technology doesn't have to be perfect for people to use and accept it -- as anybody who uses Microsoft Windows on their computer demonstrates! From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Apr 10 12:55:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 10 Apr 2002 19:55:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 66267 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2002 19:38:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2002 19:38:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11703.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2002 19:38:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20020410193847.89962.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.37.51] by web11703.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:38:47 PDT Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:38:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Station update To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <018801c1e0ab$0b43b2a0$28f9bed8@kredding430cdt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I don't have anything to do with it, but I think my boss here does or did. I hear ya about the all-infomercial format. The Providence guys would like to get that changed. Anyone who wants to can buy though. As far as I know, the Phoenix station is the moneymaker. Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Apr 10 13:05:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 10 Apr 2002 20:05:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 81026 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2002 20:05:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2002 20:05:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2002 20:05:04 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.65]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:05:44 -0400 Message-ID: <001b01c1e0cb$2a2c1700$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} KDIS n WYO? Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:06:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Speaking of Wyoming- I got an email from Steve Fritz, owner of a station on 1230. He did not say where- except that it was in Wyo, and was a new transmitter, equipped for AM Stereo. He was unsure of turning on the stereo, and emailed me from the ebay auction page wher the transmitter is. He was very interested in what we are up to. I see that the auction has been seen 240 times! Man! That's wild! My email is going nuts as well. This could be the start of something big! (that line is for Ian... :-) Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael J. Richard From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Apr 10 13:17:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 10 Apr 2002 20:17:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 62903 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2002 20:17:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2002 20:17:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2002 20:17:44 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.65]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:18:19 -0400 Message-ID: <003601c1e0cc$ec391a40$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: Subject: here's the scoop... Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:18:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 OK, now that we seem to be rolling along, I want to air a few ideas. I VERY much want to go to Ramsey. This is going to happen much quicker than I thought. I am going to try and set up a meeting as soon as possible, not only to get the transmitter kits into the works, but also to perhaps create an outlet for the radios as well. As I explained weeks ago, I cannot do the radios due to time constraints. I would be more than happy to provide kits of parts, with pix to anyone brave enough to try it... Bearing in mind that ther IS surface mount stuff... if you look at the radio, you will see it. I LIKE smd! - I know, I'm sick... Once you get used to it, it's fun! But I do think Ramsey will be a winner. If I can get my foot in the door, it will be as good as done. John Ramsey loves radio. He will listen- I am so sure of it. (I just got my new catalog yesterday.. ) As for cases, you must keep in mind, they HAVE to be cheap, yet good looking. I would love to find a pre-existing case somewhere.. the plexi frame I used was the easiest thing I could find, but I am the only one that likes them..... sigh..... Oh well- keep brainstorming! CC From cboone@earthlink.net Wed Apr 10 13:42:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: cboone@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 10 Apr 2002 20:42:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 21068 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2002 19:45:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2002 19:45:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO relay2.softcomca.com) (168.144.1.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2002 19:45:57 -0000 Received: from m2w033 ([168.144.108.33]) by relay2.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:45:57 -0400 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: IBOC at NAB Sender: "cboone@earthlink.net" Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:45:57 -0400 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Return-Path: cboone@earthlink.net Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2002 19:45:57.0365 (UTC) FILETIME=[5561FA50:01C1E0C8] From: "cboone@earthlink.net" Reply-To: cboone@earthlink.net X-Originating-IP: 206.170.79.250 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173263 From www.ALLACCESS.com (All rights reserved) In-band-on-channel digital radio is a hot topic at the NAB 2002 convention,= but CLEAR CHANNEL SVP/Capital Management BILL SUFFA isn't convinced it's a= good idea -- R&R reports he told a TUESDAY session that daytime-only IBOC,= as endorsed by the NRSC recently, is the "death knell" for AM radio and th= at several financial issues are blocking IBOC's implementation in AMERICA. 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From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Apr 10 13:54:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 10 Apr 2002 20:54:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 55778 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2002 20:43:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2002 20:43:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2002 20:43:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2002 20:43:07 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 20:43:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: KDIS n WYO? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001b01c1e0cb$2a2c1700$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 517 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.93.37 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Speaking of Wyoming- I got an email from Steve Fritz, owner of a > station on 1230. He did not say where- except that it was in Wyo, > and was a new transmitter, equipped for AM Stereo. According to the FCC database, the only station on 1230 kHz in Wyoming is 1230 KVOC in Casper, WY, a non-directional 1000-watt station owned by "Mount Rushmore Broadcasting, Inc.". Radio-Locator.com lists KVOC ("the Voice Of Casper") as a Nostalgia music station with a web site at: http://www.wyomingradio.com/kvoc.html From jsgil@hal-pc.org Wed Apr 10 13:54:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 10 Apr 2002 20:54:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 53920 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2002 19:56:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2002 19:56:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2002 19:56:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2002 19:56:50 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:56:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Mandatory AM Receiver Standards Petition (fwd) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1401 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.107 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "amfmguy" wrote: > > However, AM-stereo in its present state, still has a lot of problems, > many of them, I understand, are imbedded in the choice of C-QUAM as > the official transmission method. Yea, I usually refer th Motorola as Johnny come lately to AM Stereo since their system upon reception had several design flaws that were most appearent in the MC13020 chip. They seem to have addressed most of these issues in the 3rd generation chips though. The one problem left is the platform motion issue which was a problem in all the other systems except Kahn ISB. Kahn's approach to distortion correction of partial limiting actually helps somewhat by reducing envelope modulation, C-QuAM on the other hand increases envelope modulation and when the noise floor drops below 24db it starts expanding the noise. ISB also has the unique characteristic of the phase is at zero when the envelope is at plus or minus 100% modulation and is at maximum deviation when the envelope is at 0% modulation. This really helps to reduce the strain on the distortion correction circuit in overcoming interference problems and pretty much eliminates the pops and clicks that were associated with all the other non-linear systems. Kahn receivers were pretty much perfected in the early 80's and showed major strengths in reception during adverse conditions. JSG From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Apr 10 14:11:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 10 Apr 2002 21:11:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 73915 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2002 21:11:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2002 21:11:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO boron.vcn.com) (209.193.72.5) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2002 21:11:27 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.5]) by boron.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:11:27 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} KDIS n WYO? Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:11:29 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <001b01c1e0cb$2a2c1700$0101a8c0@pavilion> From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris et al... That would have to be KVOC in Casper. They're the only 1230 in the whole state! :) KVOC was country for a LONG time....locally owned.....KTWO's AM competitor. Well a few years ago they were bought by Mount Rushmore Broadcasting.....Mount Rushmore owns several other Casper stations as well as the AM/FM in Rawlins and some others too. I don't know what and if on their AMS history...don't know that they've ever had any AM STEREO stations. But this engineer sounds like a pretty neat guy. And yes...if they're still in the same facilities, this would be an easy go for KVOC. They had their own building up on the hill on 13th st....with the tower right behind. Similar to KMER where the studios and transmitter are all at the same site. So no STL or single phone-line limitations there. Not sure about the equipment or processing. I imagine since Mount Rushmore bought them, they're now automated on some type of computer automation......last I checked running I think a satellite format. Possibly nostalgia or oldies. Before that they were always live 24/7. HMMMMMMmmmmmm...... do your convincing if ya can. I might even like to get in touch with him. If he sees how easy the conversion is, maybe he can do some convincing to the suits to get some of rushmore's other AM's in stereo. Meanwhile KVOC should be a cinch since the transmitter is new and stereo-equipped. MJR n WYO -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Cuff [mailto:ccuff@in4web.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 2:06 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KDIS n WYO? Speaking of Wyoming- I got an email from Steve Fritz, owner of a station on 1230. He did not say where- except that it was in Wyo, and was a new transmitter, equipped for AM Stereo. He was unsure of turning on the stereo, [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From narkspud@hotmail.com Wed Apr 10 14:26:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 10 Apr 2002 21:26:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 80644 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2002 21:23:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2002 21:23:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.103) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2002 21:23:57 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:23:57 -0700 Received: from 67.89.146.146 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 21:23:57 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} here's the scoop... Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:23:57 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2002 21:23:57.0507 (UTC) FILETIME=[06387130:01C1E0D6] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.89.146.146] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud Maybe some sort of frosted or colored plexi. . .like the iMac or something? With the kind of volume and distribution we're talking, it won't have to be that spiffy-looking. We aren't exactly in the mass-produced consumer market yet. . . . narkspud (storming) >looking. I would love to find a pre-existing case somewhere.. the plexi >frame I used was the easiest thing I could find, but I am the only one that >likes them..... sigh..... >Oh well- keep brainstorming! >CC > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Apr 10 14:29:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 10 Apr 2002 21:29:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 49229 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2002 20:31:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2002 20:31:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2002 20:31:41 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.65]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:32:22 -0400 Message-ID: <004701c1e0ce$e28f2000$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <200204101309.FEF50153.PO-BUXBL@rtri.or.jp> <003201c1e095$76f98ee0$d3a9fea9@me> Subject: Re: {AMSF} TA-8120 and TA-8124 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:32:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 What I can do is send a copy of the schematic to whoever can do the best at scanning it to our archives. Probably KT? I can also send full color pix of the board, showing the parts layout. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd > Chris, > > Any chance I could get the improved version of the TA-8124 decoder, or at > least the schematic for it? I'd like to add tuning LEDs to my stereo which > I did some time ago but I left those off when they caused interference. > > Scott Todd From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Apr 10 14:43:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 10 Apr 2002 21:43:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 10937 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2002 21:41:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2002 21:41:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2002 21:41:48 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-102.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.102]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g3ALf7dj019091 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:41:09 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001701c1e0d8$83424280$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <002501c1dfea$34bb0e60$3df9bed8@kredding430cdt> <003201c1e026$7266bfc0$d3a9fea9@me> <008801c1e0a0$ff422a40$28f9bed8@kredding430cdt> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Station update Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:41:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Good to know Salem, despite their anti-AMS bias, will still play by the rules when it comes to the EB. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin > KBJD is stereo. I know their CE very well. > > Kevin > Mesa, Arizona From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Apr 10 14:49:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 10 Apr 2002 21:49:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 39021 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2002 21:49:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2002 21:49:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2002 21:49:00 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-102.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.102]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g3ALmLdj020716 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:48:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002701c1e0d9$85881e60$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} KDIS n WYO? Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:48:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Yep, but they don't put out much signal in your direction- protecting all the other 710s in the rest of the country- KC, MO; Denver, etc. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael J. Richard > Picked up some radio disney in brilliant AM STEREO last night at 710. > Never been there before. I'm supposing this is KDIS that we've been talking > about lately? > I guess they still must be at 50Kw. Pretty good signal here in Wyo. From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Apr 10 15:00:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 10 Apr 2002 22:00:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 24510 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2002 22:00:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2002 22:00:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2002 22:00:21 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-102.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.102]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g3ALxgdj022993 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:59:43 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004e01c1e0db$1b7b2740$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <003601c1e0cc$ec391a40$0101a8c0@pavilion> Subject: Re: {AMSF} here's the scoop... Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:00:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I'm getting a decent refund this tax season- how much for one of your AMS/FMS radio kits? ST foolhardy enough to try! ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher Cuff > As I explained weeks ago, I cannot do the radios due to time constraints. I > would be more than happy to provide kits of parts, with pix to anyone brave > enough to try it... From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Apr 10 15:58:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 10 Apr 2002 22:58:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 89035 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2002 21:58:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2002 21:58:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2002 21:58:48 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-102.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.102]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g3ALw8dj022693 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:58:10 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004601c1e0da$e3edf640$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <001b01c1e0cb$2a2c1700$0101a8c0@pavilion> Subject: Re: {AMSF} KDIS n WYO? Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:58:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I hope you told him there's a few good broadcast engineers on this list willing to help out! He will need a stereo processor and mod monitor, but if he can afford them there's no reason not to go stereo, and I will do what I can to coach him. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher Cuff > Speaking of Wyoming- I got an email from Steve Fritz, owner of a station on > 1230. He did not say where- except that it was in Wyo, and was a new > transmitter, equipped for AM Stereo. He was unsure of turning on the stereo, > From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Apr 10 16:04:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 10 Apr 2002 23:04:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 63339 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2002 23:04:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2002 23:04:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11707.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2002 23:04:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20020410230421.28278.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.37.51] by web11707.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:04:21 PDT Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:04:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} here's the scoop... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <003601c1e0cc$ec391a40$0101a8c0@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I like the plexi case too. Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Apr 10 16:20:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 10 Apr 2002 23:20:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 76753 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2002 23:20:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2002 23:20:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2002 23:20:38 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.25]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:21:19 -0400 Message-ID: <003801c1e0e6$7becc920$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <001b01c1e0cb$2a2c1700$0101a8c0@pavilion> <004601c1e0da$e3edf640$d3a9fea9@me> Subject: Re: {AMSF} KDIS n WYO? Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:21:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 He already HAS everything! He just has to "flip the switch"- I told him DO IT! (he is concerned that there are no radios- I told him we are working on that)- bet he does it! cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 5:58 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} KDIS n WYO? > I hope you told him there's a few good broadcast engineers on this list > willing to help out! He will need a stereo processor and mod monitor, From davidcoons@webtv.net Wed Apr 10 16:21:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: davidcoons@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 10 Apr 2002 23:21:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 91937 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2002 23:21:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2002 23:21:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net) (209.240.198.118) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2002 23:21:18 -0000 Received: from storefull-2317.public.lawson.webtv.net (storefull-2317.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.212.225]) by mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id 0369411E2 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:21:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-2317.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id QAA26762; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:21:17 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAs458MOA4GmzfN0+1g47XD0YeFsECFQC7/EfNFbokrfhaqL2Tv+g2GkNK/w== Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:21:17 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: TA-8120 and TA-8124 Message-ID: <2155-3CB4C8ED-402@storefull-2317.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "kevtronics" 's message of Wed, 10 Apr 2002 03:29:47 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-From: davidcoons@webtv.net (David Coons) From: davidcoons@webtv.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10533228 I owned for awhile.inside it had a small add on curcuit board with a chip and other components if my memory is correct..it also interestingly decoded as if it was detecting a pilot (a couple of seconds to decode)but was forced,using the rf of any station From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Apr 10 16:22:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 10 Apr 2002 23:22:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 78829 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2002 23:22:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2002 23:22:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2002 23:22:40 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.25]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:23:21 -0400 Message-ID: <004001c1e0e6$c4edc020$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <003601c1e0cc$ec391a40$0101a8c0@pavilion> <004e01c1e0db$1b7b2740$d3a9fea9@me> Subject: Re: {AMSF} here's the scoop... Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:23:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I have to do a real costing on them- but it will be in the $40 to $50 neighborhood.. I just have to fit everything into my tight time schedule- CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 6:00 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} here's the scoop... > I'm getting a decent refund this tax season- how much for one of your > AMS/FMS radio kits? > > ST From davidcoons@webtv.net Wed Apr 10 16:46:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: davidcoons@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 10 Apr 2002 23:46:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 49825 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2002 23:00:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2002 23:00:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net) (209.240.198.119) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2002 23:00:59 -0000 Received: from storefull-2317.public.lawson.webtv.net (storefull-2317.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.212.225]) by mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id 65FC04F7 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:00:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-2317.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id QAA26023; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:00:58 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhR60v5lS4jOQHuUIi5OqdvhHrurBAIVAMDamVe9i/v4I7q7BgbARx6Ry04g Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:00:58 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC at NAB Message-ID: <2161-3CB4C42A-30@storefull-2317.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "cboone@earthlink.net" 's message of Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:45:57 -0400 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-From: davidcoons@webtv.net (David Coons) From: davidcoons@webtv.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10533228 some have proclamed the end of standard broadcasting since the late 40s when tv came in.also in the 70s when fm took off..so long as a buck can be made it will remain From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Apr 10 18:32:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 11 Apr 2002 01:32:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 23301 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2002 01:32:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2002 01:32:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2002 01:32:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2002 01:32:11 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 01:32:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Mandatory AM Receiver Standards Petition (fwd) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1826 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.93.37 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Kahn receivers were pretty much perfected in the early 80's and > showed major strengths in reception during adverse conditions. In my personal experience with my Sony SRF-A100, one thing I don't like about the Kahn system is that I think the phasing effects are annoying. Instead of shifting left to right, the audio image goes from in-phase to out-of-phase on unstable signals, and that can be distracting when listening to headphones. Also, even on stable signals, the phasing is never quite perfect so there is always a slight loss in treble response with the Kahn system. C-Quam mode always sounds a little brighter and crisper, especially with its greater high-frequency Stereo separation. Each of the AM Stereo systems had their advantages and disadvantages. The ill-fated Magnavox system was the simplest and had generally acceptable performance at low cost -- that is why the FCC initially approved it. Harris was a very complex system, especially in its incarnation with the variable pilot tone(!), but in ideal conditions it had the best sound quality of all the systems. Kahn was good in weak/unstable conditions and had the "two-radio trick", but sacrificed audio fidelity and stereo separation. And finally, C-Quam started out as not really being the best in anything, but with advancements over the years, it is now the best-sounding analog AM Stereo system ever used, and its handling of weak and unstable signals has also improved tremendously. p.s. If anyone out there has any recordings of Kahn, Harris, or Magnavox AM Stereo, other than the clips already on the "More MP3s" page of the web site, I'd love to hear them.... even if you just have it on cassette, I can do the transferring to MP3 format for you if you are not so technically inclined or lack the equipment. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Apr 10 18:36:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 11 Apr 2002 01:36:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 31494 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2002 01:36:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2002 01:36:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2002 01:36:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2002 01:35:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 01:35:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: TA-8120 and TA-8124 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004701c1e0ce$e28f2000$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 414 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.93.37 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > What I can do is send a copy of the schematic to whoever can do the > best at scanning it to our archives. Probably KT? I can also send > full color pix of the board, showing the parts layout. I have a scanner that works well, but the one thing I lack is the capability to make Acrobat PDF files. However, if the schematic is only black & white, then ordinary GIF files can turn out relatively small also. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Apr 10 18:44:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 11 Apr 2002 01:44:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 30500 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2002 01:44:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2002 01:44:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2002 01:44:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2002 01:44:06 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 01:44:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kahn AM Stereo tuner Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2155-3CB4C8ED-402@storefull-2317.public.lawson.webtv.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1061 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.93.37 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I owned for awhile.inside it had a small add on curcuit board with > a chip and other components if my memory is correct..it also > interestingly decoded as if it was detecting a pilot (a couple of > seconds to decode)but was forced,using the rf of any station. (This is talking about Leonard Kahn's "Stereo, Stereo" tuner) I wonder what chip it used... maybe a National Semiconductor LM1981, designed for the Magnavox system, with an audio phase shifter added on? This is exactly what the Sony radios did... they decoded everything in Magnavox mode and then used an audio phase shift to get the proper Left and Right channels for Kahn mode. It was probably "forced Stereo" because Kahn's flagship station, 690 XETRA in Mexico, never used a pilot tone... this was his first Stereo station, broadcasting Kahn ISB AM Stereo continuously from about 1969 to 1989! He only gave it up when Mexico standardised on the C-Quam system in the late '80s. p.s. Did anybody save the pictures from the eBay page for this Kahn tuner? I stupidly did not.... From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Apr 10 20:07:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 11 Apr 2002 03:07:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 6743 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2002 03:07:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2002 03:07:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2002 03:07:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2002 03:07:17 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 03:07:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT: shortwave pirates Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1299 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.93.37 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics This is off-topic but interesting nonetheless. Right now on 6.950 MHz shortwave I am listening to an unlicensed "pirate" broadcaster, calling themselves "WHYP" with a clear AM signal featuring rock music and of course lots of profanity and weird stuff going on. If you are in the Northeast USA, you might be able to hear this one yourself. In the rec.radio.shortwave newsgroup, this station has been reported being on the air for the past few nights with a very strong signal in North Carolina. I am hearing them just fine here in New Jersey right now. Pirate broadcasts are actually quite common in North America in the 6.9 to 7.0 MHz range. Most broadcast in AM but some use SSB (single sideband, requiring a radio with SSB support or else it will sound like "duck quacking"). And who knows, some may even be broadcasting in AM Stereo! Even in mono, they tend to not use any bandwidth filtering so if your radio has a sufficiently wide IF filter it is possible to get "hi-fi" sound from a pirate station. p.s. One odd thing this pirate "WHYP" on 6.950 was broadcasting was the announcement recordings from CBC Radio talking about the end of their signal on 740 AM in Toronto and their move to 99.1 FM, interspersed with various moaning and laughing noises from the DJ! From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Apr 10 21:13:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 11 Apr 2002 04:13:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 94454 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2002 04:13:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2002 04:13:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14205.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.151) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2002 04:13:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20020411041329.36407.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.162.18.173] by web14205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 21:13:29 PDT Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 21:13:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: FCC comments on the way To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I've written a "Comment" to the FCC in regards to all new technology being 'backwards compatible' with all existing equipment (ie: Color & B/W TV; Stereo & Mono FM; Stereo & Mono AM; MTS/SAP and mono TV etc...) and that IBOC should also be 100% backwards compatible without degrading the analog audio just so that the digital sounds better. Suggested they encourage AMAX, and referenced the Scott Todd petition (awaiting a docket number). If you write to the FCC, Send one signed original copy, and a minimum of four stapled copies. Please note, I don't know if this hurt us on the AMAX petition, but they seem pissy about having all comments 'double-spaced'. 73's J __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From joe_n3wtv@backroads.net Wed Apr 10 21:16:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: joe_n3wtv@backroads.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 11 Apr 2002 04:16:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 960 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2002 04:16:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2002 04:16:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO backroads.net) (206.155.45.250) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2002 04:16:02 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 00:15:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200204110015.AA4102160590@backroads.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: shortwave pirates X-Mailer: From: "Joseph Elias" Reply-To: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109158622 X-Yahoo-Profile: joen3wtv PRAY THE ROSARY DAILY FOR WORLD PEACE....... i personally could care less about monitoring pirates,but for=20 those that do.check popular communications.they feature a column=20 every month.its like cbers that operate out of band....joe ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "kevtronics" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 03:07:14 -0000 > > > > >This is off-topic but interesting nonetheless.=A0 Right now on=20 6.950 MHz
>shortwave I am listening to an unlicensed "pirate" broadcaster,=20
>calling themselves "WHYP" with a clear AM signal featuring rock=20 music
>and of course lots of profanity and weird stuff going on.=A0 If you=20 are
>in the Northeast USA, you might be able to hear this one=20 yourself.=A0 In
>the rec.radio.shortwave newsgroup, this station has been reported=20
>being on the air for the past few nights with a very strong=20 signal in
>North Carolina.=A0 I am hearing them just fine here in New Jersey=20 right
>now.
>
>Pirate broadcasts are actually quite common in North America in=20 the
>6.9 to 7.0 MHz range.=A0 Most broadcast in AM but some use SSB=20 (single
>sideband, requiring a radio with SSB support or else it will=20 sound
>like "duck quacking").=A0 And who knows, some may even be=20 broadcasting
>in AM Stereo!=A0 Even in mono, they tend to not use any bandwidth=20
>filtering so if your radio has a sufficiently wide IF filter it=20 is
>possible to get "hi-fi" sound from a pirate station.
>
>p.s.=A0 One odd thing this pirate "WHYP" on 6.950 was broadcasting=20 was
>the announcement recordings from CBC Radio talking about the end=20 of
>their signal on 740 AM in Toronto and their move to 99.1 FM,
>interspersed with various moaning and laughing noises from the DJ!
>
>
> > >
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> > > > =20 =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Apr 10 22:18:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 11 Apr 2002 05:18:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 18058 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2002 05:18:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2002 05:18:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2002 05:18:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2002 05:18:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 05:18:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: eBay goodies Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 988 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.93.37 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics 1994 Cadillac radio with AMAX AM Stereo, Expanded Band, CD *and* Cassette players, unusual large size (not normal GM size) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1820195881 1994 Mitsubishi M519 car radio with AM Stereo, *9-band* graphic equalizer, cassette player not working (but radio is okay), might have Expanded Band (not sure?), Double DIN size http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1344441517 Aiwa XR-X7 Japanese bookshelf stereo system with AM Stereo, set for Japanese AM & FM frequencies and AC voltage, or might just be a U.S. model with the Japan specs listing?..... not sure, but it is at least interesting to look at! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1345067927 Carver TX-11a ultra-hi-fi AMAX AM Stereo tuner, with Expanded Band http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1344877803 GM/Delco "UX-1" cassette radio with AM Stereo, no Expanded Band http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1819157470 From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Apr 11 03:31:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 11 Apr 2002 10:31:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 36805 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2002 10:31:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2002 10:31:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO host.warwick.net) (204.255.24.254) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2002 10:31:31 -0000 Received: from chris (qelapsvc.florida.ul.warwick.net [208.228.96.20]) by host.warwick.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g3BAVPL223947 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 06:31:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000701c1e143$f4096780$0501a8c0@warwick.net> To: Subject: parts layouts Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 06:30:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I have sent a parts layout picture grouping to KT, (Kevin- don't forget the TXT file). feel free to upload these pix and text file to the archive area. This will give you all an idea of what is entailed in building the radio. Chris From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu Apr 11 03:34:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 11 Apr 2002 10:34:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 47230 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2002 10:34:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2002 10:34:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2002 10:34:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2002 10:34:09 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:34:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Mandatory AM Receiver Standards Petition (fwd) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3735 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.145 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > > Kahn receivers were pretty much perfected in the early 80's and > > showed major strengths in reception during adverse conditions. > > In my personal experience with my Sony SRF-A100, one thing I don't > like about the Kahn system is that I think the phasing effects are > annoying. Instead of shifting left to right, the audio image goes > from in-phase to out-of-phase on unstable signals, and that can be > distracting when listening to headphones. Also, even on stable > signals, the phasing is never quite perfect so there is always a > slight loss in treble response with the Kahn system. C-Quam mode > always sounds a little brighter and crisper, especially with its > greater high-frequency Stereo separation. > I was refering to the perfection of Kahn receivers in their approach to distortion correction. From what limited info available on his reception method it is appearent that he was well aware of the problems associated with interference during negative envelope modulation points and designed into his correction circuit to combat this. Now as far as phasing filters go I think it was a compromise between cost and performance that reduced most receiver's HF performance. The out phase problems exist in non-ISB QuAM and C-QuAM also. If PLL tracking error is off by 90deg then L+R gets detected as L-R and L-R gets detected as L+R as far as dematrixing is concerned. Under this condition the base response will null out in the listening enviornment. The big benefit to ISB is that regardless of PLL tracking errors channel sepration is not compromised but shows up as a shift in signal phase. If the technology used in the 3rd generation C-QuAM chips does combat platform motion caused by PLL error tracking this could also be used for ISB. In fact the use of one of these chips with a high quality phase shifter would make a nice ISB receiver. Even though C-QuAM is the standard it still would be a benefit to have audio phasing filters available to reject the sideband with considerable monkey chatter in favor of the side that had little when DXing essentially using a C-QuAM decoder chip to decode SSB. The quality of the phase shifters used can make a big difference in separation in the top end. Part of the separation problems in the HF for Kahn is that the use linear phase modulation creates more splatter especially 2nd harmonics and exceeded the mask so the way of controlling it was to limit L-R to 5KHz thus sacrificing HF separation. In reception the cost of implementing a phase shift network that can offer >40db separation can be quite complex. For instance in the 1988 ARRL Handbook page 18-9 shows a network that uses 24 caps and 24 resistors and offers accuracy for 60db of opposite sideband suppression in the 300Hz-3KHz range. To cover the greater range needed for AMS would probably require 50% more caps and resistors using the same scheme. A network like this would be cost prohibitive to implement for mass production. I think most of the separation issues in these units are a result of inadequate phasing filters. One way to bring the cost down on phasing filters is to produce them the way these composite RC 10KHz notch filters are made that are used in the Chrysler radios. In some ways ISB was ahead of its time as far as producing afordable receivers with high enough quality phase shifters to maintain HF separation. The best solution is DSP as this type of filtering is much easier, cost effective and highly accurate. As far as ham radio is concerned DSP is already being used for this purpose and offers SSB performance that could not be economically obtained in analog mode. JSG From cboone@earthlink.net Thu Apr 11 06:44:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: cboone@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 11 Apr 2002 13:44:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 75263 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2002 13:44:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2002 13:44:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO relay3.softcomca.com) (168.144.1.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2002 13:44:10 -0000 Received: from m2w090.softcomca.com ([168.144.108.90]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:44:09 -0400 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: {AMSF} FCC comments on the way Sender: "cboone@earthlink.net" Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:44:09 -0400 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Return-Path: cboone@earthlink.net Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2002 13:44:09.0541 (UTC) FILETIME=[F4ECA750:01C1E15E] From: "cboone@earthlink.net" Reply-To: cboone@earthlink.net X-Originating-IP: 206.170.79.250 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173263 Your arguments will likely fall on deaf ears....the age of digital has thrown out all the backward compatible ideas....NTSC vs B/W TV was easy, so was Stereo vs Mono FM or AM, etc!..they were all ANALOG! but look at HDTV....bye bye NTSC, period!! NO backward compatibility... I think the same will happen with any digital radio system...oh it MAY have an analog component for analog systems to be used for a while.. but I doubt it will allow 100% compatibility....and eventually I feel ANALOG FM and AM will be gone.....heck even AMPS cell service is being slowly phased out in certain markets.....eventually the last AMPS channels will be shut down in favor of 100% digital service (much to the disappointm= ent of those who favor analog cell svc because of no delay and fewer dropouts!) But the FCC and BUSINESS seems to be on the Digital is Better kick... You can file comments as you like but the FCC's recent actions and=20 comments on new digital technology show a direction away from analog and ANY compatibility...(look at APCO25 Land Mobile Radio systems.. NO compatibility with analog at all) Chris (WB5ITT) Broadcast engineer since the 70s Original Message: ----------------- From: Johnny Electron toledohamradio@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 21:13:29 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} FCC comments on the way I've written a "Comment" to the FCC in regards to all new technology being 'backwards compatible' with all existing equipment (ie: Color & B/W TV; Stereo & Mono FM; Stereo & Mono AM; MTS/SAP and mono TV etc...) and that IBOC should also be 100% backwards compatible without degrading the analog audio just so that the digital sounds better. Suggested they encourage AMAX, and referenced the Scott Todd petition (awaiting a docket number). If you write to the FCC, Send one signed original copy, and a minimum of four stapled copies. Please note, I don't know if this hurt us on the AMAX petition, but they seem pissy about having all comments 'double-spaced'. 73's J -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From meridian3891@cs.com Thu Apr 11 07:18:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Meridian3891@cs.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 11 Apr 2002 14:18:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 68838 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2002 14:18:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2002 14:18:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r01.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.97) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2002 14:18:20 -0000 Received: from Meridian3891@cs.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.a0.2507d975 (16086) for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:18:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netscape.com (mow-m17.webmail.aol.com [64.12.180.133]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (v84.14) with ESMTP id MAILINID103-0411101805; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:18:05 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:14:15 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: {AMSF} OT: shortwave pirates Message-ID: <0527BB23.1F8DFD08.8852DB2E@cs.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: meridian3891@cs.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=48487815 X-Yahoo-Profile: onemeridian They do have quite a signal & excellent audio here in S.E. Penna. I have heard this station (literally) dozens of times. Tony S. KA3SVT "kevtronics" wrote: > This is off-topic but interesting nonetheless.nbsp; Right now on 6.950 MHz >shortwave I am listening to an unlicensed quot;piratequot; broadcaster, >calling themselves quot;WHYPquot; with a clear AM signal featuring rock music >and of course lots of profanity and weird stuff going on.nbsp; If you are >in the Northeast USA, you might be able to hear this one yourself.nbsp; In >the rec.radio.shortwave newsgroup, this station has been reported >being on the air for the past few nights with a very strong signal in >North Carolina.nbsp; I am hearing them just fine here in New Jersey right >now. > >Pirate broadcasts are actually quite common in North America in the >6.9 to 7.0 MHz range.nbsp; Most broadcast in AM but some use SSB (single >sideband, requiring a radio with SSB support or else it will sound >like quot;duck quackingquot;).nbsp; And who knows, some may even be broadcasting >in AM Stereo!nbsp; Even in mono, they tend to not use any bandwidth >filtering so if your radio has a sufficiently wide IF filter it is >possible to get quot;hi-fiquot; sound from a pirate station. > >p.s.nbsp; One odd thing this pirate quot;WHYPquot; on 6.950 was broadcasting was >the announcement recordings from CBC Radio talking about the end of >their signal on 740 AM in Toronto and their move to 99.1 FM, >interspersed with various moaning and laughing noises from the DJ! > > > > >    *Yahoo! 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Terms of Service. > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Apr 11 08:24:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 11 Apr 2002 15:24:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 23886 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2002 15:24:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2002 15:24:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2002 15:24:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2002 15:24:00 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:23:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1520 WWKB Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 406 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 207.200.162.137 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Anybody else notice 1520 WWKB from Buffalo, NY broadcasting without a Stereo pilot last night? Their all-syndicated talk format (at night during nighttime hours when I can hear them by skywave) does not take any advantage of Stereo, but they are owned by one of the "good guys" of AM Stereo, Entercom.... WWKB is supposed to have a web site at: http://www.kb1520.com/ but it is showing up blank. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Apr 11 13:33:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 11 Apr 2002 20:33:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 18814 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2002 19:57:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2002 19:57:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14203.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.145) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2002 19:57:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20020411195720.73077.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:57:20 PDT Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:57:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Don't give up on the FCC To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Back when the expanded AM band was proposed, I wrote a hand-written letter to the FCC suggesting that all X-Band stations be required to be AMS. I can't say that my comment is what made it happen, but mine with one or two other folks letters probably helped them add that to the rule book. Write to them! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Apr 11 16:06:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 11 Apr 2002 23:06:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 60075 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2002 23:06:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2002 23:06:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2002 23:06:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2002 23:06:34 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:06:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Rights to Car XM sold for $7.50 Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 130 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.163 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics This is laughable: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2015314849 I bet whoever bought it works for Sirius.... From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Apr 11 17:39:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 12 Apr 2002 00:39:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 24442 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2002 00:39:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2002 00:39:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2002 00:39:32 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-56.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.56]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g3C0cpdj014685 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:38:52 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001301c1e1ba$850ef080$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <001b01c1e0cb$2a2c1700$0101a8c0@pavilion> <004601c1e0da$e3edf640$d3a9fea9@me> <003801c1e0e6$7becc920$0101a8c0@pavilion> Subject: Re: {AMSF} KDIS n WYO? Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:39:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Did he say he had all that as well? He may have a stereo-equipped transmitter; lots of stations that bought BE transmitter do, but that doesn't mean he has the processor or monitor. If he does have those, it would be a waste not to use it. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher Cuff To: Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 6:21 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} KDIS n WYO? > He already HAS everything! He just has to "flip the switch"- I told him DO > IT! (he is concerned that there are no radios- I told him we are working on > that)- bet he does it! > cc > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Scott Todd > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 5:58 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} KDIS n WYO? > > > > I hope you told him there's a few good broadcast engineers on this list > > willing to help out! He will need a stereo processor and mod monitor, > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Apr 11 17:45:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 12 Apr 2002 00:45:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 56401 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2002 00:44:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2002 00:44:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2002 00:44:59 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-56.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.56]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g3C0iHdj015589 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:44:19 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003301c1e1bb$47d10860$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: shortwave pirates Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:44:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Most pirate broadcasts I've ever heard have used SSB. Many prefer it because it's harder for the FCC to track. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics > Pirate broadcasts are actually quite common in North America in the > 6.9 to 7.0 MHz range. Most broadcast in AM but some use SSB (single > sideband, requiring a radio with SSB support or else it will sound > like "duck quacking"). From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Apr 11 17:52:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 12 Apr 2002 00:52:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 11069 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2002 00:52:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2002 00:52:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2002 00:52:04 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-56.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.56]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g3C0pNdj016616 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:51:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003b01c1e1bc$4545fb40$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020411041329.36407.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} FCC comments on the way Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:52:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude The original was double-spaced. Will have to check its current incarnation on the web to see how faithful it is to the original. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Johnny Electron > Please note, I don't know if this hurt us on > the AMAX petition, but they seem pissy about having all comments > 'double-spaced'. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Apr 11 18:04:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 12 Apr 2002 01:04:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 37378 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2002 01:04:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2002 01:04:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2002 01:04:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2002 01:04:11 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 01:04:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: IBOC: the digital disaster Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3171 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.163 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics A report from somebody who actually listened to live demo tests of IBOC digital on AM and FM.... Subject: Re: Clear Channel says no to IBOC Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:04:59 -0000 From: geezer@radio411.com (Mark Howell) Newsgroups: rec.radio.broadcasting, alt.radio.broadcasting, alt.radio.digital I attended the RTNDA convention held in conjunction with NAB this year, and I got to hear the Ibiquity demonstration at their booth. Note first of all that presumably, the demo was set up under ideal conditions. Ibiquity had an AM and an FM station in Las Vegas broadcasting IBOC digital. At the booth one was able to A/B the FM signals, but only the AM IBOC signal was available for listening [i.e. no comparison to regular analog AM was provided]. Why that was, will be obvious in a moment. Listening impressions: Both AM and FM digital signals are noticeably degraded from analog. The first thing I noticed in A-B'ing the analog and digial FM signals was that the digital signal had _no bass_. Other than that, at first listen (on Sony MDR-7506 headphones) the two were pretty close, but paying closer attention I noticed that something just seemed to be missing from the digital signal. As it should be -- the compression is much heavier than the typical MP3 file. The AM is just a joke. The digital AM signal sounded like streaming audio on a dialup internet connection. Just horrible. Any decently-engineered analog AM signal sounds better, even on a narrowband receiver. The Ibiquity rep swore the AM digital signal was in stereo, but I'll be damned if I could hear any separation -- and this is on headphones, mind you! The gross digital artifacts were _immediately_ noticeable. When I pointed out to the Ibiquity rep that this truly sounded wretched, he could only mumble something about "they're constantly working on improving the compression algorithm and the codec." The engineers are, of course, impressed with themselves that they got a compression algorithm that drastic to sound as good as it does. To be fair, it is quite a technical achievement. Never mind that it sounds like crap, the fact that it works is pretty amazing. But it reminds me of the Samuel Johnson saying about a dog walking on its hind legs. The marvel is not that it is done well, but that it is done at all. Looking at it from the point of view of Joe Sixpack, there is no point to it whatsoever. Many of the arguments made in favor of IBOC are marketing arguments, on the lines of "we have to be digital, because everything else is, and consumers expect it." But remember, the average listener thinks radio already IS digital. Their car radio dials show digits, don't they? How supposedly intelligent business people can think this is the salvation of radio is utterly beyond me. The AM IBOC system would be a horrible step backwards in audio fidelity. The FM digital signal is just a little worse than analog, but make no mistake, _it is worse_. The Clear Channel guy is absolutely right that this system would be the death knell for AM broadcasting in the U.S. The FM system is merely pointless. Mark Howell From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Apr 11 18:40:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 12 Apr 2002 01:40:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 73724 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2002 01:40:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2002 01:40:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2002 01:40:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2002 01:40:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 01:40:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: shortwave pirates Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003301c1e1bb$47d10860$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 830 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.163 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Most pirate broadcasts I've ever heard have used SSB. Many prefer > it because it's harder for the FCC to track. This one was playing lots of music so in that case SSB would sound really bad. It's very difficult to get a non-"robotic" sound from SSB, and unfortunately even with all of today's electronic gizmos on shortwave radios, there is still no way to tune in an SSB signal other than fine-tuning it by ear for the most natural tone. It is possible to transmit carrier-free ISB AM Stereo using two ordinary SSB ham radio transmitters, and then receive it using two ordinary SSB receivers, but the fidelity would be very limited because SSB is only intended for barely intelligible voice communications, so thus most transmitters and receivers give you a maximum of about 2 kHz of audio response in SSB mode. From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Apr 11 18:47:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 12 Apr 2002 01:47:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 54951 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2002 01:47:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2002 01:47:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2002 01:47:26 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-192.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.192]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g3C1jwdj025233 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:46:45 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000e01c1e1c4$00f3c5a0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: shortwave pirates Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:46:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude True, but most pirates do use SSB, even for music. I find if I'm not familiar with a song a station is playing, I can never be sure if I have the BFO set right. I have to wait til they start yapping. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics > This one was playing lots of music so in that case SSB would sound > really bad. > From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Apr 11 18:49:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 12 Apr 2002 01:49:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 89427 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2002 01:49:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2002 01:49:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2002 01:49:53 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-192.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.192]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g3C1n9dj025740 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:49:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000f01c1e1c4$57eeec40$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT-settings help Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:49:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Well, I was able to get as far as getting rid of Netscape, but I never got the window asking me if I wanted to make IE my default browser. Not sure where to go for the "file associations" you mentioned. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael J. Richard > Scott....I'd try this > Go into Control Panel and go to "Add / Remove Programs". Then look for > Netscape's entry in the list of installed programs. Click the Add/Remove > button to uninstall it. Then when that's done you may want to restart. > Then once you're back up, double-click the "E" for Internet Explorer. At > that point it SHOULD tell you "Internet Explorer is not your default browser > for viewing web pages. Would you like it to be?" and then just click YES. > Then you should be set. Otherwise, it'll be under your default windows > "file associations". Let me know if that doesn't work and I'll tell ya how > to do it using file associations. > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Todd [mailto:stodd@sherbtel.net] > I want to change the browser it uses to open > hyperlinks from Netscape to IE. I can't seem to find the right place to > make the change. > From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu Apr 11 19:42:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 12 Apr 2002 02:42:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 37806 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2002 02:42:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2002 02:42:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2002 02:42:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2002 02:42:21 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 02:42:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC: the digital disaster Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1736 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.132.168 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > A report from somebody who actually listened to live demo tests of > IBOC digital on AM and FM.... > > The AM IBOC system would be > a horrible step backwards in audio fidelity. The FM digital signal is > just a little worse than analog, but make no mistake, _it is worse_. > > The Clear Channel guy is absolutely right that this system would be > the death knell for AM broadcasting in the U.S. The FM system is > merely pointless. > > Mark Howell Perhaps there is hope for CC after all when it comes to Analog AMS. They might of wanted to see how this IBOC stuff plays out. This argument of "they are constantly working on the CODEC to improve the sound" is a joke. Audio codecs have been worked on for years and on average you can ony get a 10:1 ratio before it starts sounding really bad. Internet streaming has pushed the envelope for audio compression and I think it is approaching its peak. I'm not saying that it won't get any better but we may see a 20-30% inprovement in compression ratio without the loss in quality before it peaks. One bad move on the part of DAB in general is that they did not take advantage of all the advancements in MP3 using the latest enhancements or the research from the Dolby AC3 stuff, instead they used CODECs that were a generation behind these. Once IBOCs true colors really start showing themselves to the CEOs, CFOs, CTOs etc... to the major broadcasters hopefully they will drop it like a hot potato and run in the opposite direction as fast as they can. Once this illusion of IBOCs 'superiority' passes I think they will reconsider analog AMS and other things if it will improve their bottom line. JSG From dav259@csiro.au Thu Apr 11 20:44:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 12 Apr 2002 03:44:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 79630 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2002 03:44:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2002 03:44:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2002 03:44:30 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA13962 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:44:28 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:44:28 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT-settings help In-Reply-To: <000f01c1e1c4$57eeec40$d3a9fea9@me> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Scott Todd wrote: > Well, I was able to get as far as getting rid of Netscape, but I never got > the window asking me if I wanted to make IE my default browser. Not sure > where to go for the "file associations" you mentioned. Scott - IE is my default browser - but it seems if you load it and then go: Tools > Internet Options... > Programs > and at the bottom of that menu check the box that says Internet Explorer should check to see whether it is the default browser > Apply > OK (no guarantees) Ian From n0uiheric@aol.com Thu Apr 11 23:12:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 12 Apr 2002 06:12:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 86729 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2002 06:12:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2002 06:12:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r07.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.103) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2002 06:12:33 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.28.24da5d1d (3992) for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 02:12:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <28.24da5d1d.29e7d4c5@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 02:12:21 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC: the digital disaster To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih But, did the idiots at IBiquity do any REAL RESEARCH? Of course, they didn't! They're operating on mere assumptions; assumptions that are another example of CORPORATE LIES. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Apr 11 23:33:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 12 Apr 2002 06:33:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 65690 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2002 06:33:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2002 06:33:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2002 06:33:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2002 06:33:17 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 06:33:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: GE Superadio IV ? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 800 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.163 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Could somebody with access to binary Usenet Newsgroups please access the group "alt.binaries.pictures.radio" and retrieve the picture of the "GE Superadio IV" that is claimed to be posted there? This is probably just a joke, but there is talk of it in the rec.radio.shortwave group and somebody who has seen this picture says the "Superadio IV" is still analog tuning with with "Stereo" added (he did not specify AM Stereo or FM Stereo). I do think it is time for a new Superadio, but considering that demand for the Superadio III continues to be steady I don't think they'll give it up until nobody wants it anymore. Also, Radio Shack has just introduced a new Superadio III-clone, but don't be fooled -- it's the same exact circuitry as the Optimus 12-603, just in a newly styled case. From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Fri Apr 12 01:02:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28290 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2002 08:02:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2002 08:02:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2002 08:02:25 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2002 08:02:25 -0000 Date: 12 Apr 2002 08:02:23 -0000 Message-ID: <1018598543.73196.64621.w17@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /GE SR4.jpg Uploaded by : jeffdeck2001 Description : General Electric FM Stereo/AM Superadio You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/GE%20SR4.jpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, jeffdeck2001 From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Apr 12 01:04:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 12 Apr 2002 08:04:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 98039 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2002 08:04:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2002 08:04:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2002 08:04:50 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.43]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 04:05:11 -0400 Message-ID: <001101c1e1f8$e1602c80$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <28.24da5d1d.29e7d4c5@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC: the digital disaster Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 04:05:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 They are also thinking that digital is going to be the savior of radio. It's not. Nothing can save radio except programming and real human on-air talent that makes people WANT to listen to the radio. I treasure the few rmaining REAL radio stations- WICC, WDAF, among others.. I dropped my subscription to Radio World because of their obvious bias pro digital- letters written were never published. Editors comments that "we must look forward to new technology"- I do- However, when it will end up being WORSE than existing technology, sorry, I will not support it. OMT-Our company bought all new digital cell phones for the road techs. They were so poorly performing, we went back to analog. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 2:12 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC: the digital disaster > But, did the idiots at IBiquity do any REAL RESEARCH? Of course, they didn't! From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Apr 12 01:22:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 12 Apr 2002 08:22:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 28410 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2002 08:22:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2002 08:22:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2002 08:22:06 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.43]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 04:22:27 -0400 Message-ID: <005501c1e1fb$4aea6240$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <1018598543.73196.64621.w17@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 04:23:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 This is too funny! This "superradio" is a joke. It is so obviously a "cut & paste" mockup! The radio is a Radio shack small am fm stereo portable. I have one. Sells for $19.95- look at the "crookedness" of the letters, the GE logo, etc- photoshop wizardry. LOL!!! CC ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 4:02 AM Subject: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum > You can access this file at the URL > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/GE%20SR4.jpg > From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Apr 12 01:36:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 12 Apr 2002 08:36:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 16322 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2002 08:36:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2002 08:36:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2002 08:36:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2002 08:36:01 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 08:36:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Chris' Radio Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 131 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereoguy2001" X-Originating-IP: 208.20.8.43 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 This message is to alert you all that the pix of the new radio have been uploaded to the am stereo forums "photos" section. Chris From dav259@csiro.au Fri Apr 12 02:14:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 12 Apr 2002 09:14:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 33545 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2002 09:14:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2002 09:14:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2002 09:14:20 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26174 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 19:14:18 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 19:14:18 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC: the digital disaster In-Reply-To: <001101c1e1f8$e1602c80$0101a8c0@pavilion> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, Christopher Cuff wrote: > They are also thinking that digital is going to be the savior of radio. It's > not. Nothing can save radio except programming and real human on-air talent > that makes people WANT to listen to the radio. > I dropped my subscription to Radio World because of their obvious bias pro > digital- letters written were never published. Editors comments that "we > must look forward to new technology"- I do- However, when it will end up > being WORSE than existing technology, sorry, I will not support it. Let me be the first to coin a phrase: DIGITAL SUCKS! However - what will save radio generally is PROGRAMMING. It's even more important than STEREO or AM STEREO - however we receive it. You lot in the US should take a leaf out of Johnny Electron's and Scott's ideas. You've got to lobby the FCC for once to do the right thing. And also write to your local press. And get onto talkback radio and promote localism and program standards. Stop sitting on your hands. If you get programming right AM Stereo would be the natural way to go. We know how good it is - get your programming right and stereo (whatever it's gonna be broadcast in) will enhance it. Radio is so special to me (you could say the local lifeblood as our TV is so heavily networked) I believe it should be kept firstly LOCAL and secondly STEREO! Ian - Melbourne From joe_n3wtv@backroads.net Fri Apr 12 03:19:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: joe_n3wtv@backroads.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 12 Apr 2002 10:19:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 72689 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2002 10:19:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2002 10:19:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO backroads.net) (206.155.45.250) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2002 10:18:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 06:18:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200204120618.AA446431340@backroads.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} GE Superadio IV ? X-Mailer: From: "Joseph Elias" Reply-To: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109158622 X-Yahoo-Profile: joen3wtv PRAY THE ROSARY DAILY FOR WORLD PEACE......."The essence of prayer is not to think a lot, but to love a lot." St. Teresa of Avila. kev ,im using the supertuner 2 by ge.with a long wire antenna,ive never recieved stations better.id call it a dead heat between my ge and my zenith transoceanic 1000.........joe From philipr@irac.pe.ca Fri Apr 12 05:36:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 12 Apr 2002 12:36:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 33510 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2002 12:35:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2002 12:35:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2002 12:35:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2002 12:35:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:35:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005501c1e1fb$4aea6240$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 866 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Christopher Cuff" wrote: > This is too funny! This "superradio" is a joke. It is so obviously a "cut & > paste" mockup! > The radio is a Radio shack small am fm stereo portable. I have one. Sells > for $19.95- look at the "crookedness" of the letters, the GE logo, etc- > photoshop wizardry. > LOL!!! > CC > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 4:02 AM > Subject: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum > > > > You can access this file at the URL > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/GE%20SR4.jpg > > A nice mock up! Where's the AM stereo LED? I had actually thought of this very same RS rig for installing your AM stereo decoder Chris. Any chance it would work?. This rig is on sale very cheap this month. From philipr@irac.pe.ca Fri Apr 12 05:57:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 12 Apr 2002 12:57:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 67243 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2002 12:57:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2002 12:57:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2002 12:57:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2002 12:57:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:57:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Digital has its place, but... Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1162 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Digital has its place, but certainly not on the AM band. I'm skeptical about digital on the standard FM band too. Digital belongs in the GHZ, not the KHZ or the MHZ. Supposedly, in areas of Canada that have Eureka 147 - Toronto to Windsor, Montreal, Vancouver and I believe now Edmonton and Calgary, there are reception benifits in the concrete jungle. But how many DR radios are in the hands of real consumers in the real world? DR may be great for the downtown core, but its hard to beat AM and FM for suburbia, rural and remote areas. Nice to see the interest on Ebay for Chris' transmitter package! Reports of the death of AM stereo are greatly exaggerated. I think if we could work on Ramsey, we just might be able to get some receivers out there. Imagine the next time one went into RS and asked if they carried any AM stereo radios, when the sales droid put that stunned look on his face [I say "his", because female employees at RS generally are more knowledgeable in my experience]- just pull out an AM stereo radio and show the AM Stereo rig and say - you've got questions, I have the answer. Phil [another rant from PEI] From philipr@irac.pe.ca Fri Apr 12 06:04:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 12 Apr 2002 13:04:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 58027 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2002 13:04:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2002 13:04:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2002 13:04:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2002 13:04:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:04:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 431 Hits, 28 bids Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 138 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking 431 hits, 28 bids and a selling price of $157.50. Looks like people in ebay land think AM stereo is pretty cool. Congrats Chris! Phil From amfmdx@fastq.com Fri Apr 12 07:47:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 12 Apr 2002 14:47:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 97994 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2002 14:37:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2002 14:37:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2002 14:37:23 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d202-osel.phx.fastq.com [209.63.214.189]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g3CEbMn89480 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 07:37:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <003301c1e22d$f369fde0$bdd63fd1@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC: the digital disaster Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 07:25:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Let me be the first to coin a phrase: DIGITAL SUCKS! I have to say that I don't know that digital sucks. There hasn't been a single one of us who have heard digital transmissions I have heard the buzz on FM and from an analog perspective it stinks but I haven't heard anything digital so I can't say that it sucks yet. Ian, keep your hat on. > However - what will save radio generally is PROGRAMMING. It's even more > important than STEREO or AM STEREO - however we receive it. This is a fact. Programming is the trump card. If AM had better programming than FM, guess what? People would listen to AM. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From amfmdx@fastq.com Fri Apr 12 08:15:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 12 Apr 2002 15:15:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 75049 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2002 14:56:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2002 14:56:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2002 14:56:59 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d202-osel.phx.fastq.com [209.63.214.189]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g3CEuvn89842 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 07:56:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <009901c1e230$a18155c0$bdd63fd1@kredding430cdt> To: Subject: I'm asking again Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 07:45:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gents, I asked for help to get KUET to fix its stereo and posted a phone number and no one called. Since it cost money, this is not surprising. So now I finally came across an e-mail address, or at least I think I have. The address is kuet@entravision.com that I was given. I am hoping you will tell these guys in a message that their pilot is off and that you would like to see them in stereo again. Kevin Mesa, Arizona "I worry that the person who thought up Muzak may be thinking up something else." Lily Tomlin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From RMATHENA@PAPERCUTTERSINC.COM Fri Apr 12 08:37:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rmathena@papercuttersinc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 12 Apr 2002 15:37:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 13454 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2002 15:37:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2002 15:37:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail09a.bellsouth-hosting.net) (209.130.32.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2002 15:37:14 -0000 Received: from 128.242.46.183 (128.242.46.183) by mail12.bellsouth-hosting.net (RS ver 1.0.60s) with SMTP id 012830166 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:12:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:11:40 -0400 Message-ID: <01C1E212.D2095440.rmathena@papercuttersinc.com> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} IBOC: the digital disaster Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:11:39 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 From: Randy Mathena X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109210582 X-Yahoo-Profile: wpci1490 YOU KNOW YOU ARE RIGHT. WE ARE WPCI AM STEREO AND WE HAVE BEEN BROADCASTING "DEFINITIVE RHYTHM & BLUES" 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK WITH NOTHING BUT A TOP OF THE HOUR LEGAL ID. WE GET RAVE REVIEWS AND MOST PEOPLE TELL US THAT THEY LISTEN TO US EXCLUSIVELY. THEY ARE ALL FORMER FM LISTNERS. WE HAVE 10,000 HAND PICKED CUTS AND THEY ROTATE BY CATAGORY. WE HAVE GOTTEN MORE CALLS THAN I CAN LIST AND THEY HAVE BEEN 100% POSITIVE. YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THE PROGRAMMING. IF IT IS GOOD, PEOPLE WILL LISTEN THROUGH A TIN CAN WITH STRING. RANDY MATHENA WPCI AM STEREO SOON TO HIT THE INTERNET. ---------- From: kevin[SMTP:amfmdx@fastq.com] Reply To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 10:25 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC: the digital disaster <> From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Apr 12 09:07:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 12 Apr 2002 16:07:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 38359 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2002 16:02:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2002 16:02:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO host.warwick.net) (204.255.24.254) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2002 16:02:47 -0000 Received: from chris (qelapsvc.florida.ul.warwick.net [208.228.96.20]) by host.warwick.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g3CG2jC260244 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:02:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001201c1e23b$66e954c0$0501a8c0@warwick.net> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 431 Hits, 28 bids Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:02:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Guess I better have some more boards plated! cc ----- Original Message ----- From: "tubesareking" To: Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 9:04 AM Subject: {AMSF} 431 Hits, 28 bids > 431 hits, 28 bids and a selling price of $157.50. Looks like people > in ebay land think AM stereo is pretty cool. Congrats Chris! > > Phil From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Apr 12 09:14:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 12 Apr 2002 16:14:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 47538 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2002 16:06:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2002 16:06:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO host.warwick.net) (204.255.24.254) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2002 16:06:55 -0000 Received: from chris (qelapsvc.florida.ul.warwick.net [208.228.96.20]) by host.warwick.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g3CG6rC96592 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:06:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002401c1e23b$fa873f80$0501a8c0@warwick.net> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:06:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Yup- It converts fine! I have to document the DC supply hookup, as it's a little unconventional. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: "tubesareking" To: > A nice mock up! Where's the AM stereo LED? > > I had actually thought of this very same RS rig for installing your > AM stereo decoder Chris. Any chance it would work?. This rig is on > sale very cheap this month. From amfmdx@fastq.com Fri Apr 12 10:30:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 12 Apr 2002 17:30:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 36268 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2002 16:50:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2002 16:50:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2002 16:50:59 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d153-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.185]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g3CGown93768 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:50:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <004a01c1e242$319a4fc0$b9f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <01C1E212.D2095440.rmathena@papercuttersinc.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC: the digital disaster Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:50:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > YOU KNOW YOU ARE RIGHT. WE ARE WPCI AM STEREO AND WE HAVE BEEN > BROADCASTING "DEFINITIVE RHYTHM & BLUES" 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK > WITH NOTHING BUT A TOP OF THE HOUR LEGAL ID. You are in Greenville, SC on 1490? > HAVE GOTTEN MORE CALLS THAN I CAN LIST AND THEY HAVE BEEN 100% POSITIVE. I say this over and over, "If the programming is good, people will listen to AM." > YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THE PROGRAMMING. IF IT IS GOOD, PEOPLE WILL LISTEN > THROUGH A TIN CAN WITH STRING. RANDY MATHENA WPCI AM STEREO SOON TO HIT > THE INTERNET. Thanks for telling the guys on the list that I am right. I know for a fact, if the music is good, and the programs are good and the station sounds even halfway decent from a technical standpoint, people will listen. Randy, let us know when you get on the net. I would like to give WPCI a listen. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Apr 12 12:15:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 12 Apr 2002 19:15:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 86734 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2002 18:53:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2002 18:53:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11704.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2002 18:53:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20020412185320.43896.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.34.41] by web11704.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:53:20 PDT Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:53:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WOON, WYBC and others To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <004a01c1e242$319a4fc0$b9f9bed8@kredding430cdt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio WOON/1240-Woonsocket, R.I. and WYBC/1340-New Haven, Ct. do not broadcast in stereo. WOON discontinued it in 1999. For them it's a matter of switching some patch cables. The owner is a fan of AMS, but when no one called when they discontinued it he figured no one was listening to it. He said that they are waiting for IBOC. I need IBOC info to persuade him that it is a mistake and that he should return to stereo. He said that stereo would disrupt his subcarrier services. Is this true? Please delete WOON and WYBC from the database. Also, I called WBZ & left a message. They have not called me back yet. 73, Jay,N1WVQ E. Providence, R.I.. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From rjskadl@yahoo.com Fri Apr 12 12:28:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 12 Apr 2002 19:28:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 65501 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2002 19:10:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2002 19:10:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2002 19:10:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2002 19:08:05 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 19:07:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: GE SuperRadio IV Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1076 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl How Nice. A new version of the Super Radio with FM Stereo and just like every other electronics maker, with their heads up where the Sun don't shine, GE didn't include AM Stereo to their so called high performance radio. Rest assured, I will not be buying one. I already have several nice radios and boomboxes that all receive nice FM Stereo signals. I can't believe that there are No manufacturers Whatsoever making AMS capable radios! This is truly messed up. Give me a break about the argument that there is no market for it either, that most people don't even know it exists. Because if you use that logic, then how can you justify manufacturing shortwave radios? Most of the public doesn't realize that there is a shortwave broadcast band. I tried to write to Radio Disney the other night about AM Stereo on WQEW in New York. Of course I wasn't successful. You have to sign up for a stupid Disney account. Then after you sign up, you still can't send a message because the link doesn't work. It has got to be the stupidest thing going. From amfmdx@fastq.com Fri Apr 12 12:58:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 12 Apr 2002 19:58:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 68738 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2002 19:46:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2002 19:46:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2002 19:46:31 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d205-osel.phx.fastq.com [209.63.214.192]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g3CJkTn99088 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:46:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <00f501c1e25a$653b3e80$b9f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} GE SuperRadio IV Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:43:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > How Nice. A new version of the Super Radio with FM Stereo and just > like every other electronics maker, with their heads up where the Sun > don't shine, GE didn't include AM Stereo to their so called high > performance radio. I am going to say this one time. If we want an AM stereo radio its going to take a LOT of money. If we want it, then WE AND NO ONE ELSE, will have to GIVE MONEY to get it going. EVERYTHING ELSE IS BULLSHIT. Put up the bucks or it ain't gonna happen. Everything else is spinning your wheels. No one will make these radios other than US and its gonna take MONEY. Sorry but thats the truth. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Apr 12 13:01:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 12 Apr 2002 20:01:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 61019 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2002 19:09:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2002 19:09:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2002 19:09:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2002 18:53:28 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 18:53:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC: the digital disaster Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003301c1e22d$f369fde0$bdd63fd1@kredding430cdt> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 521 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.206 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I have to say that I don't know that digital sucks. When PROPERLY USED, there is no reason that digital has to "suck". However, when it is used in the wrong places, such as on the regular AM and FM bands, or in an inappropriate manner, then it is clearly inferior to analog. Therefore my catch-phrase would be "The Analog Advantage". This is the exact reason why we should stick with analog AM Stereo and FM Stereo and leave digital for its own frequency range (such as Eureka 147 DAB in Canada and Europe). From RMATHENA@PAPERCUTTERSINC.COM Fri Apr 12 13:03:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rmathena@papercuttersinc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 12 Apr 2002 20:03:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 81096 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2002 19:51:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2002 19:51:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail09a.bellsouth-hosting.net) (209.130.32.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2002 19:51:38 -0000 Received: from 128.242.46.183 (128.242.46.183) by mail12.bellsouth-hosting.net (RS ver 1.0.60s) with SMTP id 0105375 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:54:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:53:51 -0400 Message-ID: <01C1E23A.3DEE6A20.rmathena@papercuttersinc.com> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} IBOC: the digital disaster Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:53:50 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 From: Randy Mathena X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109210582 X-Yahoo-Profile: wpci1490 I WILL DO SO KEVIN. THANKS, RANDY ---------- From: kevin[SMTP:amfmdx@fastq.com] Reply To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 12:50 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC: the digital disaster <> From narkspud@hotmail.com Fri Apr 12 15:59:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 12 Apr 2002 22:59:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 64047 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2002 22:38:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2002 22:38:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.155) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2002 22:38:07 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:38:07 -0700 Received: from 67.89.146.146 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 22:38:07 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Strategy? Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:38:07 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Apr 2002 22:38:07.0572 (UTC) FILETIME=[B77DF940:01C1E272] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.89.146.146] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud >Put up the bucks or it ain't gonna happen. Everything else is spinning your >wheels. No one will make these radios other than US and its gonna take >MONEY. > >Sorry but thats the truth. > >Kevin >Mesa, Arizona Yep. Either we put up the money ourselves OR we do the sales job of the century in convincing someone else to put it up. Someone else is NOT going to put it up unless they are convinced that they will make a bucket of money on the deal. They won't care about how AM Stereo sounds, or the future of broadcasting, or how many stations are on the air with it. They're only going to care about how nice a car/house/yacht/congressman they will be able to buy with the proceeds they make by adding AM Stereo to their radios. AM Stereo radios (1) cost more--never mind how much more, it's more. . . (2) were on the market once before with no significant success. . . and (3) are virtually unheard of by the planet at large. Happy convincing. Is there light in the darkness? Gosh, yeah. There are stations on the air. There are radios around that can be demo'd. There's a very expensive and very yucky digital system that NOBODY'S gonna want after they hear it. There's the SRF-42, which proved that you can sell the silly things at a slight premium. And there are auctions on eBay that have real people spending real money (in significant quantities) for AM Stereo equipment. Armed with this evidence and the right approach, you just might convince a manufacturer or two that it might be worth trying out. I have a strategy suggestion. Start converting radios and SELL 'EM ON EBAY! Then you have some black-and-white proof that the suckers will sell at a price that more than covers the upgrade. The more radios, the better off we'll be. Meantime, keep after your local broadcasters on that sound quality. . .not just Stereo, but even the mono ones that don't sound so nice on your wideband rigs. That's what we can do with limited funds. I have limited soldering abilities, even more limited electronics knowledge, and absolutely no clue how to hook up one of Chris's boards to a radio. But I know some of you guys do. Hit the Goodwills, buy some boom boxes, and convert the suckers. Maybe you'll even pick up some extra cash. narkspud (pontificating again) PS RE: the FM IBOC Test mentioned earlier. Due to the processing used on most FM stations, the broadcast bass generally does sound excessively boomy compared to the original unprocessed signal. If the digital stream was delivering a straight unprocessed signal, I would expect it to sound quite a bit thinner in an A/B comparison. Course, I wasn't there, so take this comment for what it's worth. . . . _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From joe_n3wtv@backroads.net Fri Apr 12 16:23:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: joe_n3wtv@backroads.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 12 Apr 2002 23:23:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 14727 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2002 23:23:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2002 23:23:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO backroads.net) (206.155.45.250) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2002 23:23:03 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 19:22:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200204121922.AA937754956@backroads.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Strategy? X-Mailer: From: "Joseph Elias" Reply-To: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109158622 X-Yahoo-Profile: joen3wtv PRAY THE ROSARY DAILY FOR WORLD PEACE......."The essence of prayer is not to think a lot, but to love a lot." St. Teresa of Avila. There are radios around that can be demo'd. There's a very expensive and very yucky digital system that NOBODY'S gonna want after they hear it. There's the SRF-42, which proved that you can sell the silly things at a slight premium. at the time,5 years ago when i bought the silly srf-42 .that was the only portable radio on the market that was am stereo.ive stated this before. i dont care what you try to seel the public.i know i wont buy.heres why.im not sure am stereo is marketable.perhaps in a few cases.one i think of is theres a classical station in kansas city.as far as im concerned.i lived nearby the tramsmitters.i might be interested.am stereo sounds horrible at night.except for the station in kansas and wsai in cincinnatti on 1530 and wpht on friday nites when frank airs.radio is a wasteland.i do not download music ,i could care less. but until clear channel cleans up its act and hires real talent .i dont enjoy listening to radio.everybody has the same gimmick.every morning drive time show has to have 2 goofs on laughing.nobody is creative.it seems like every station regardless of format.has 12 or 15 songs they repeat continously in between two hyenas..just my thought. am stereo in itself is a great idea.mix it with the broadcasting wasteland thats radio today.id suggest you leave your money in your pocket.the money is in mp3s where you record what you want without all the gibberish.thats my reality....joe From narkspud@hotmail.com Fri Apr 12 17:28:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 13 Apr 2002 00:29:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 32029 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2002 00:17:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2002 00:17:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.5) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2002 00:17:05 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:17:05 -0700 Received: from 67.89.146.146 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 00:17:05 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Strategy? Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:17:05 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Apr 2002 00:17:05.0560 (UTC) FILETIME=[8ACF0980:01C1E280] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.89.146.146] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud Warning: Heresy to follow. I do NOT think AM Stereo sounds better than FM Stereo. FM Stereo is a much quieter signal with wider frequency response. The only way it's going to sound perceptably worse is if they really hose up the engineering or processing. Which they often do, of course. But that is not the point. The point is that there is a whole band that's going (gone) to hell in a handbasket because of the mistaken belief that it sounds like crap, and it DOESN'T. If you don't like what's on the radio, why do you even need a radio, let alone an AM Stereo one? We want to sell AM Stereo radios to AM LISTENERS--the people who LIKE Clear Channel, and Rush, and ESPN Sports, and whatever else is on the AM band. Why wouldn't they want it to sound better? I do agree with one point. . .I don't think the public cares about Stereo per se. I'm sure they associate it with "sounding better," but I doubt most of them could actually define stereo for you. Quite a few couldn't pick it out of a police lineup. (I have first-hand experience that proves this!) But the difference between the Radio They Have Now and a nice wideband unit. . .now that they'd DEFINITELY hear. That's why I continue to advocate marketing any radio we come up with as an AM HiFi radio that has AM Stereo as one of its features. (NOT on ebay, though--the campaign I described at the start of this thread is to convince manufacturers and stations, not the general public.) And if you'll forgive me for being blunt, if MP3's are your reality, why not find yourself a nice MP3 mailing list to be a part of instead of wasting your time with this one. There's nothing but radio fans here. narkspud >From: "Joseph Elias" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Strategy? >Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 19:22:57 -0400 > >PRAY THE ROSARY DAILY FOR WORLD PEACE......."The essence of prayer >is not to think a lot, but to love a lot." St. >Teresa of Avila. > > > > > There are radios around that can be demo'd. There's a very >expensive and >very yucky digital system that NOBODY'S gonna want after they hear >it. >There's the SRF-42, which proved that you can sell the silly >things at a >slight premium. > at the time,5 years ago when i bought the silly srf-42 .that was >the only portable radio on the market that was am stereo.ive >stated this before. i dont care what you try to seel the public.i >know i wont buy.heres why.im not sure am stereo is >marketable.perhaps in a few cases.one i think of is theres a >classical station in kansas city.as far as im concerned.i lived >nearby the tramsmitters.i might be interested.am stereo sounds >horrible at night.except for the station in kansas and wsai in >cincinnatti on 1530 and wpht on friday nites when frank airs.radio >is a wasteland.i do not download music ,i could care less. but >until clear channel cleans up its act and hires real talent .i >dont enjoy listening to radio.everybody has the same gimmick.every >morning drive time show has to have 2 goofs on laughing.nobody is >creative.it seems like every station regardless of format.has 12 >or 15 songs they repeat continously in between two hyenas..just my >thought. am stereo in itself is a great idea.mix it with the >broadcasting wasteland thats radio today.id suggest you leave your >money in your pocket.the money is in mp3s where you record what >you want without all the gibberish.thats my reality....joe > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From joe_n3wtv@backroads.net Fri Apr 12 20:40:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: joe_n3wtv@backroads.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 13 Apr 2002 03:40:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 94539 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2002 03:40:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2002 03:40:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO backroads.net) (206.155.45.250) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2002 03:40:56 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 23:40:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200204122340.AA452591766@backroads.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: Subject: hopefully a clarification X-Mailer: From: "Joseph Elias" Reply-To: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109158622 X-Yahoo-Profile: joen3wtv first of all you misquoted.i at no time endorsed downloading mp3s. .the reality its being done by a growing number of people.2nd point,with that said.a radio stations makes format determinations on the general public.if the general doesnt know or care about am stereo .why should a station spend money on equipment to broadcast when there is little equipment to listen to it on.also why should manufactures make a product that wont sell.because the general public doesnt want it.i would ask that you not jump to conclusions.about things i say.i happen to love am radio i grew up on it.i still listen it.in my location the best programming is on am.but nothing is done without if there is no money to be made.one more point im not leaving this list for some mp3 list... But that is not the point. The point is that there is a whole band that's going (gone) to hell in a handbasket because of the mistaken belief that it sounds like crap, and it DOESN'T. has AM Stereo as one of its features. (NOT on ebay, though--the campaign I described at the start of this thread is to convince manufacturers and stations, not the general public.) And if you'll forgive me for being blunt, if MP3's are your reality, why not find yourself a nice MP3 mailing list to be a part of instead of wasting your time with this one. There's nothing but radio fans here. From joe_n3wtv@backroads.net Fri Apr 12 20:59:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: joe_n3wtv@backroads.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 13 Apr 2002 03:59:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 3960 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2002 03:59:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2002 03:59:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO backroads.net) (206.155.45.250) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2002 03:59:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 23:59:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200204122359.AA405667924@backroads.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} GE SuperRadio IV X-Mailer: From: "Joseph Elias" Reply-To: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109158622 X-Yahoo-Profile: joen3wtv PRAY THE ROSARY DAILY FOR WORLD PEACE......."The essence of prayer is not to think a lot, but to love a lot." St. Teresa of Avila. How Nice. A new version of the Super Radio with FM Stereo and just > like every other electronics maker, with their heads up where the Sun > don't shine, GE didn't include AM Stereo to their so called high > performance radio. why dont they manufacture a decent portable radio.with all the boomboxes out their.i would buy one,i think am stereo is a great idea.ijust think the manufacturers are afraid to go out on a limb because of the new technology.........joe From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Apr 12 22:57:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 13 Apr 2002 05:57:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 77522 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2002 05:57:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2002 05:57:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2002 05:57:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2002 05:57:14 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 05:57:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: FS: two Becker AM Stereo car radios Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2481 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.206 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics This is not an eBay auction but if anybody is interested in a VERY high quality German-made single-DIN-size car radio with AM Stereo, either of the two Becker radios advertised below would be an excellent choice. These AM Stereo radios were factory-equipped in Mercedes-Benz cars in 1986 and a few years afterwards. Note that these have 1 kHZ DIGITAL FINE TUNING... it is digital tuning with normal 10 kHz steps, but can also step in 1 kHz increments (i.e. 710, 711, 712, 713, etc. kHz) if you so desire -- a feature you will ONLY find on Becker car radios. It also has DIRECT INPUT tuning... using the number keys you can directly type in a frequency to jump to. I believe these include coverage of the Expanded Band but I am not 100% certain.... Chris C. has used some of these Becker radios, so maybe he knows for sure. Here is the original ad, and a response claifying that these are indeed AM Stereo-equipped radios: ===================================================================== From: David Black (dblack4@earthlink.net) Subject: fs: Becker Grand Prix Car Stereo Newsgroups: alt.auto.mercedes Date: 2002-04-11 15:27:50 PST For sale: I have two Becker Grand Prix car stereo's which are excess to my needs. I tested both in my 1987 260e and they work fine. One radio was removed from the 260e, replaced with a CD player and the other was given to me to install in my 84' 300d, I sold the car before installation. Both radios work and are in excellent condition. Pics: http://home.earthlink.net/~dblack4/Becker.jpg http://home.earthlink.net/~dblack4/Becker2.jpg $100 each. Newark, CA David -- David Black ===================================================================== From: David Black (dblack4@earthlink.net) Subject: Re: fs: Becker Grand Prix Car Stereo Newsgroups: alt.auto.mercedes Date: 2002-04-12 14:19:25 PST In article <3CB64F85.6755@yahoo.com>, "Kevin T." wrote: > Do you know if one or both of them has AM Stereo capability? Becker > had AM Stereo (using the C-Quam system) in their radios circa > 1986-1989, and I assume the "AM FM Stereo" legend on the cassette > door is indicating this, but I just want to be sure. Yes, Both radios have AM Stereo using the Motorola C-Quam system. I have the operation guide for the radio removed from my 260e. -- David Black ===================================================================== From narkspud@hotmail.com Sat Apr 13 07:39:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 13 Apr 2002 14:39:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 13083 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2002 14:39:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2002 14:39:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.191) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2002 14:39:47 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 07:39:47 -0700 Received: from 67.219.108.91 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 14:39:47 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} hopefully a clarification Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 07:39:47 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Apr 2002 14:39:47.0533 (UTC) FILETIME=[0F594FD0:01C1E2F9] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.219.108.91] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud Thanks for your reply, and my apologies for misunderstanding. One big reason the general public doesn't know about AM Stereo is that virtually no current AM Stereo stations are promoting it. They aren't promoting it because there's no reason to--you can't buy the radios anyway. Vicious circle. Must be broken. Once the radios are on the market, then it becomes a point of differentiation that can be promoted with little added expense for the already-stereo station. Then other stations have to upgrade to appear competitive. And we all live happily ever after. It all hinges on the manufacturers. Somebody has to put radios on the market, mass-produced and readily available. Somebody WILL DO THIS if they believe they will make a nice profit at it. We have to convince them that they will make this profit. The way to do this is to spread the gospel, demo the radios, and get as many stations as possible to turn on their existing exciters. And like I said before, it will also help if we can show actual, profitable cash-money sales of classic and/or homegrown radios on eBay. From a marketing standpoint, I believe it will be an easier sale to market AM Stereo as part of an overall higher quality AM radio--sort of a cross between the mass-marketed Bose Wave and the niche marketed GE Superadio. Priced competitively with the current crop of boomboxes (or whatever sort of radio it is), but featuring much better quality AM sound. It's a market not being served, which translates into a market with profit potential. Do not make the mistake of assuming the public doesn't want high fidelity stereo AM. Not wanting it and not knowing about it are two different things. In 1983, I didn't know I wanted a VCR, a CD player, or the internet. Sorry again for my misguided chidings. I'm glad you aren't leaving the list. narkspud > >first of all you misquoted.i at no time endorsed downloading >mp3s. .the reality its being done by a growing number of >people.2nd point,with that said.a radio stations makes format >determinations on the general public.if the general doesnt know or >care about am stereo .why should a station spend money on >equipment to broadcast when there is little equipment to listen to >it on.also why should manufactures make a product that wont >sell.because the general public doesnt want it.i would ask that >you not jump to conclusions.about things i say.i happen to love am >radio i grew up on it.i still listen it.in my location the best >programming is on am.but nothing is done without if there is no >money to be made.one more point im not leaving this list for some >mp3 list... > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From joe_n3wtv@backroads.net Sat Apr 13 09:14:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: joe_n3wtv@backroads.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 13 Apr 2002 16:14:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 87313 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2002 16:13:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2002 16:13:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO backroads.net) (206.155.45.250) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2002 16:13:00 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 12:12:54 -0400 Message-Id: <200204131212.AA1326645506@backroads.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} hopefully a clarification X-Mailer: From: "Joseph Elias" Reply-To: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109158622 X-Yahoo-Profile: joen3wtv PRAY THE ROSARY DAILY FOR WORLD PEACE......."The essence of prayer is not to think a lot, but to love a lot." St. Teresa of Avila. One big reason the general public doesn't know about AM Stereo is that virtually no current AM Stereo stations are promoting it. They aren't promoting it because there's no reason to--you can't buy the radios anyway. im in agreement.i think we need the radios on the market before the broadcasters jump on it.when i lived in reading,pa. weeu 830 am broadcast in stereo.it was kinda fun to listen to.they played a contemporary adult format with rush limbaugh mixed in....joe From rjskadl@yahoo.com Sat Apr 13 11:32:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 13 Apr 2002 18:32:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 74830 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2002 18:31:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2002 18:31:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2002 18:31:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2002 18:31:07 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 18:31:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: GE Superadio IV , FAKE? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 558 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 206.112.35.28 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl Well as Chris Cuff pointed out, It certainly does look like the Radio Shack Portable. As well the lettering is very obviously cut & paste. I'll admit it though, I was fooled. Still I mean what I say. I think it is dumb that there are no consumer grade Radios on the market with AMS. Believe me folks, If I had the money I would invest it into producing decent consumer electronics (not just radios, but Radio is a good start). But I can't even afford to get my own Pro-Quality unit like the new Fanfare, or even a used Carver Tuner off Ebay. From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Sat Apr 13 11:59:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 13 Apr 2002 18:59:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 57491 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2002 18:56:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2002 18:56:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2002 18:56:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2002 17:35:57 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 17:35:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: CHOK 1070 Sarnia is Back!!! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 201 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.175.110.228 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 CHOK 1070 Sarnia is back in broadcasting Stereo. The music seems to be mono but the commericals are stereo. But hey it's nice to see a station RETURN to stereo in this day and age. Thanks, MattH From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Apr 13 12:42:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 13 Apr 2002 19:42:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 98281 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2002 19:41:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2002 19:41:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2002 19:41:54 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-135.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.135]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g3DJfBdj002423 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 14:41:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000d01c1e323$48725ee0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC: the digital disaster Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 14:41:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I'm hoping this wasn't a hoax that was inadvertently passed along. After all, CC has a financial stake in iBiquity, so I wonder if they'd be so willing to give up on it. I also heard that the demonstrations at the Harris and BE booths sounded better than this one. Kinda funny that iBiquity can't make their own demonstrations sound OK. Wish I could have gone to NAB and heard first hand. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: jsgilst > > The AM IBOC system would be > > a horrible step backwards in audio fidelity. > > Perhaps there is hope for CC after all when it comes to Analog AMS. > They might of wanted to see how this IBOC stuff plays out. From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Apr 13 12:49:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 13 Apr 2002 19:49:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 10595 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2002 19:49:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2002 19:49:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2002 19:49:33 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-135.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.135]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g3DJmodj003200 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 14:48:51 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003b01c1e324$5a560840$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <009901c1e230$a18155c0$bdd63fd1@kredding430cdt> Subject: Re: {AMSF} I'm asking again Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 14:49:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Kevin, My problem is less money than it is time, right now. I don't usually get home til almost 7P central, so I figure anyone who might know anything at that station would be long gone by then. Thanks for the email addy. Will offer to help them fix it. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin > I asked for help to get KUET to fix its stereo and posted a phone number and no one called. Since it cost money, this is not surprising. > From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Apr 13 13:03:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 13 Apr 2002 20:03:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 97858 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2002 20:03:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2002 20:03:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2002 20:03:15 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-135.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.135]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g3DK2Wdj004516 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:02:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <006301c1e326$444acde0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <200204122340.AA452591766@backroads.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} hopefully a clarification Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:03:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude We've been around this block before. I think that we need to promote the AMS radios with AMS stations, and when a certain critical mass gets reached, a lot of other stations will turn it back on or get some equipment for themselves. ST PS- it's OK to try and learn to use the shift key. :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Elias > why should a station spend money on > equipment to broadcast when there is little equipment to listen to > it on.also why should manufactures make a product that wont > sell.because the general public doesnt want it.i would ask that From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Sat Apr 13 13:04:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 13 Apr 2002 20:04:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 21063 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2002 20:04:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2002 20:04:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2002 20:04:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2002 18:06:21 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 18:04:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1070 CHOK Sarnia back! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 203 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.175.110.228 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 1070 CHOK Sarnia is back broadcasting in Stereo. The music seems to be mono but someof the commercials are in stereo. Hopefully they convert all their music carts to stereo once again. Thanks, MattH From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Apr 13 13:17:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 13 Apr 2002 20:17:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 56036 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2002 20:17:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2002 20:17:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2002 20:17:51 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-135.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.135]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g3DKH8dj006141 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:17:09 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <009501c1e328$4e5e89a0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Strategy? Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:17:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude You've gotten me thinking about this promotion thing even more, Narkspud. I work for a trio of talk stations (actually the third one is brokered time,) but we could actually play against the CC radio by saying "unlike some radios that claim they are optimized for human voice, ours has the fidelity to make you think the host is in the room right next to you." I would like to see these have somewhat better than average sensitivity, though it doesn't need to be a DX radio. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: . Narkspud > Meantime, keep after your local broadcasters on that sound quality. . .not > just Stereo, but even the mono ones that don't sound so nice on your > wideband rigs. From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Apr 13 13:25:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 13 Apr 2002 20:25:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 69128 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2002 20:25:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2002 20:25:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2002 20:25:00 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-135.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.135]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g3DKOHdj006826 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:24:19 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00a601c1e329$4e6216a0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020412185320.43896.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOON, WYBC and others Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:25:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude What subcarrier services? There's nothing like it on AM now. Or does he have an FM signal that he's feeding with the same STL? Some of the new digital STLs can handle four programs simultaneously. In the mean time, tell him about all the ebay activity pertaining to AMS radios, transmitters, etc. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Rogers > . He > said that stereo would disrupt his subcarrier > services. Is this true? From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Apr 13 13:28:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 13 Apr 2002 20:28:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 75236 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2002 20:28:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2002 20:28:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2002 20:28:30 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-135.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.135]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g3DKRldj007318 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:27:48 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00b301c1e329$cb708dc0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1070 CHOK Sarnia back! Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:28:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I would hope by now they're using some sort of digital audio storage system and not carts! ST ----- Original Message ----- From: matt_haw2000 > 1070 CHOK Sarnia is back broadcasting in Stereo. The music seems to > be mono but someof the commercials are in stereo. Hopefully they > convert all their music carts to stereo once again. From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sat Apr 13 13:43:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 13 Apr 2002 20:43:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 94287 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2002 20:43:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2002 20:43:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf11bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.171) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2002 20:43:29 -0000 Received: from juan ([67.34.178.253]) by imf11bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020413204453.DNMF8700.imf11bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 16:44:53 -0400 Message-ID: <002c01c1e32b$ddcbe2b0$fdb22243@juan> To: Subject: WTTB Update Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 16:43:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have managed to find an AM Stereo exciter from a former Stereo AM I used to work at. A Delta exciter, that hasn't been in use about a year. Sadly, it is out of our price range.Not that he wants too much for it ($800) we just can't afford it. Management will not go for it..so sadly it's up to me, and a couple fellow employees. We will not give up hope, but to be honest, I am getting discouraged. With all the stations that have turned off the stereo, I am really suprised there is not a glut of exciters on the market. We'll keep trying. Juan WTTB 1490 Vero Beach, Florida [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cboone@earthlink.net Sat Apr 13 14:00:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cboone@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 13 Apr 2002 21:00:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 25814 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2002 21:00:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2002 21:00:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.22) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2002 21:00:18 -0000 Received: from user-0ccshog.cable.mindspring.com ([24.206.71.16] helo=earthlink.net) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16wUd7-0002Af-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 14:00:17 -0700 Message-ID: <3CB89F5A.4FB23FF2@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 16:12:58 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC: the digital disaster References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: cboone@earthlink.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173263 jsgilst wrote: > Perhaps there is hope for CC after all when it comes to Analog AMS. > They might of wanted to see how this IBOC stuff plays out. This Don't bet on it...as a former CC Chief Engineer, I can tell you most of CC's AMs will not be playing music and NOT be running AMS if they weren't before being acquired by CC...Just trying to change an AM station from mono to stereo requires: 1) New exciter 2) new STL path (old one was probably a 8 or 15kHz dry line...new one would require twice the costs OR an RF path and the added costs of dishes, RF gear, feedline AND allocations for such in major markets just AINT gonna happen!) 3) New console (most AMs use a mono console...I say most...1190 in Dallas has a stereo digital console by Harris-Pacific but its was cheaper than a mono console of older construction...the entire room was wired for stereo and then the outputs were mono'ed together to feed the xmtr..but still those with mono will NOT upgrade since their current console still works...) 4) new processor or upgrades (this involved at least a cost of over $5000...guess what, CC wont shell that out at MAJOR market stations if they don't have to!) 5) new off air monitor capable of doing AMS (for phase and pilot monitoring as well)... PLUS the antenna array has to be swept and aligned properly for a smooth reactance curve across the center freq of the station.. That in itself will cost boo-koos of cash!! And CC wont nor will anyone else for that matter SPEND the cash to do it... In other words, AMS will NOT see any resurgence from CC or other major broadcaster unless it is already there or they have no other recourse.. But in the business world, green talks and BS walks...and AMS to them is BS and not worth the green.... > argument of "they are constantly working on the CODEC to improve > the sound" is a joke. Audio codecs have been worked on for years > and on average you can ony get a 10:1 ratio before it starts I agree 100% here..... > sounding really bad. Internet streaming has pushed the envelope > for audio compression and I think it is approaching its peak. I'm > not saying that it won't get any better but we may see a 20-30% > inprovement in compression ratio without the loss in quality before > it peaks. One bad move on the part of DAB in general is that they > did not take advantage of all the advancements in MP3 using the > latest enhancements or the research from the Dolby AC3 stuff, > instead they used CODECs that were a generation behind these. No that's not it at all....MP3 or AC2 or 3 is fine in the wired world.. but when you have to TRANSMIT it, that's the hard part...you have only sooo much bandwidth to play with...where as in the wired world, there IS no limit....even on the net, its much easier to do on a 56k download stream than a 20 kHz bandwidth on an AM freq....the numbers are NOT the same (apples and oranges here)... > Once IBOCs true colors really start showing themselves to the > CEOs, CFOs, CTOs etc... to the major broadcasters hopefully they > will drop it like a hot potato and run in the opposite direction > as fast as they can. Once this illusion of IBOCs 'superiority' > passes I think they will reconsider analog AMS and other things > if it will improve their bottom line. Nope..they considered it....it didn't pan out...of course the fiasco the FCC did over the 20-30 years of AM Stereo was not a big helper.. The Harris and Magnavox systems eventually were merged into the Motorola system as they were somewhat similar on the air...the Belar system never hit the air at all; Kahn's system suffered from poor separation at freqs above 5 kHz and also poor/unequal freq response across L and R channels due to the weird reactance curves of most directional arrays! Needless to say, it looks like the CQUAM actually was the better technical system...but it had the Harris and Magnavox systems to follow and build on...unfortunately the rcvr makers waited out and when Motorola started to be the favorite (mainly because Leonard Kahn acted like an A$$hole and refused to release licensing of his decoder chips, etc.!! DUH!!! how dumb!), the public interest in AMS was gone...so was the interest by the broadcasters.... They sunk a lot of cash into it ....and lost...they are NOT about to repeat that on AMS again.. Chris WB5ITT PG-9-5322 A former CHEAP Channel CE (and not missing them one bit!) From amfmdx@fastq.com Sat Apr 13 14:38:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 13 Apr 2002 21:38:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 79019 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2002 21:38:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2002 21:38:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2002 21:38:27 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d47-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.79]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g3DLcQn21118 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 14:38:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <000f01c1e332$16badee0$4ff9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <009901c1e230$a18155c0$bdd63fd1@kredding430cdt> <003b01c1e324$5a560840$d3a9fea9@me> Subject: Re: {AMSF} I'm asking again Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 14:27:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > My problem is less money than it is time, right now. I know the feeling. > Thanks for the email addy. Will > offer to help them fix it. Thanks. They are having some kind of problem with dropouts and also with the stereo so says the sales droid or whomever I talked to? Kevin Mesa, Arizona From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Apr 13 15:41:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 13 Apr 2002 22:41:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 27866 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2002 22:41:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2002 22:41:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2002 22:41:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2002 22:41:25 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 22:40:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC: the digital disaster Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000d01c1e323$48725ee0$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1396 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.90.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Kinda funny that iBiquity can't make their own demonstrations sound > OK. Wish I could have gone to NAB and heard first hand. You can go to their web site at http://www.ibiquity.com and listen to demo recordings there. Both the AM and FM samples sound like rubbish. The "AM digital" portion is FILLED with "artifacts", and in the FM clip, they compare it to FM MONO -- hardly a fair comparison. AM IBOC used to have at least acceptable audio quality back when they were using a bit rate of 92 kbps. But they found that was too high for anything close to good reception. So they cut it nearly it half, to 48 kbps -- and the result is, with the error correction taking up part of that rate, it sounds about the same as a 32 kbps RealAudio internet web-cast. And at that low of a bit-rate, the audio quality is *highly* dependant on the type of the original recording and the type of audio processing used. In some cases, it will probably sound very good, especially with a "digitally clean" recording fed through very light processing. But with an old analog recording (which by nature require higher bit-rates to sound good through "lossy" digital compression) and a high level of audio processing, it will sound like total garbage -- nothing but "swishing", "chattering", and "plinking" noises and various strange "phasing" effects, similar to a poor quality MP3 file. From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Sat Apr 13 15:45:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 13 Apr 2002 22:45:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 34271 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2002 22:45:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2002 22:45:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2002 22:45:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2002 22:45:12 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 22:45:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1070 CHOK Sarnia back! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00b301c1e329$cb708dc0$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 723 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.138.87.193 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 I'm sure they do have some sort of digital storage I just used the old-fashioned "cart" term to classify their storage. I don't know what they have but the music is mono. It might be the fact that they play oldies but some of the commercials were indeed stereo. Thanks, MattH --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Scott Todd" wrote: > I would hope by now they're using some sort of digital audio storage system > and not carts! > > ST > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: matt_haw2000 > > > 1070 CHOK Sarnia is back broadcasting in Stereo. The music seems to > > be mono but someof the commercials are in stereo. Hopefully they > > convert all their music carts to stereo once again. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Apr 13 15:55:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 13 Apr 2002 22:55:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 57371 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2002 22:55:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2002 22:55:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2002 22:55:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2002 22:55:31 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 22:55:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Strategy? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <009501c1e328$4e5e89a0$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1156 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.90.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I would like to see these have somewhat better than average > sensitivity, though it doesn't need to be a DX radio. For an affordable AM Stereo radio, it would be nice to have to have something like a Sony SRF-42 in a larger chassis -- say, a small "boom-box" or "table radio" size -- with a larger, smoother-operating tuning dial and small but useable built-in Stereo speakers. The SRF-42's circuitry is no DXing champion, but it has surprisingly good sensitivity, and its 6 kHz ceramic filter is a very good compromise between selectivity and audio fidelity. The Japan-only Sony SRF-A300 was *exactly* this, but Sony unfortunately never had the thought to sell it in North America. If they did, you can bet it would have been even more popular than the legendary SRF-A100! Interestingly, Sony of Japan still has the SRF-A300 listed as a "current" model: http://www.sony.jp/ProductsPark/Models/Current/SRF-A300_J_1/ It's not really as big as it looks... it's about 11 inches wide, by 5.5 inches high, by 3 inches thick. Its listed price is 10,800 Yen, which according to the current exchange rate is about $82.00 in U.S. dollars. From raydtuner@yahoo.com Sat Apr 13 15:56:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: raydtuner@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 13 Apr 2002 22:56:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 89338 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2002 22:56:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2002 22:56:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2002 22:56:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2002 22:56:47 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 22:56:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: GE SuperRadio IV Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1719 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "raydtuner" X-Originating-IP: 63.188.69.38 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92072182 X-Yahoo-Profile: raydtuner --- In amstereoforum@y..., "rjskadl" wrote: > > How Nice. A new version of the Super Radio with FM Stereo and just > like every other electronics maker, with their heads up where the Sun > don't shine, GE didn't include AM Stereo to their so called high > performance radio. Rest assured, I will not be buying one. I > already have several nice radios and boomboxes that all receive nice > FM Stereo signals. > I can't believe that there are No manufacturers Whatsoever making > AMS capable radios! This is truly messed up. Give me a break about > the argument that there is no market for it either, that most people > don't even know it exists. Because if you use that logic, then how > can you justify manufacturing shortwave radios? Most of the public > doesn't realize that there is a shortwave broadcast band. > I tried to write to Radio Disney the other night about AM Stereo on > WQEW in New York. Of course I wasn't successful. You have to sign > up for a stupid Disney account. Then after you sign up, you still > can't send a message because the link doesn't work. It has got to be > the stupidest thing going REPLY: Most AMS staions are talk radio, so there's liitle concern if they aren't broadcasting in AMS. Also, I don't think they care whether rural markets get AMS, cuz they are small dollars advo wise.Here in Cleveland, I can't get any local info on an AMS station. I tried tuning Columbus, OH. ,and get Wingham,ON.on 920, who isn't big on music. There has to be a "big draw " reason for the media blitzed public to tune AMS.Most car radios have FM now, so tuning an oldies station like CFCO630 on AMS here is strictly for DXers like me! From joe_n3wtv@backroads.net Sat Apr 13 17:02:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: joe_n3wtv@backroads.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 14 Apr 2002 00:02:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 98716 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2002 00:02:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2002 00:02:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO backroads.net) (206.155.45.250) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2002 00:02:50 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 20:02:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200204132002.AA1034617078@backroads.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: GE SuperRadio IV X-Mailer: From: "Joseph Elias" Reply-To: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109158622 X-Yahoo-Profile: joen3wtv PRAY THE ROSARY DAILY FOR WORLD PEACE......."The essence of prayer is not to think a lot, but to love a lot." St. Teresa of Avila. > How Nice. A new version of the Super Radio with FM Stereo and just > like every other electronics maker, with their heads up where the Sun > don't shine, GE didn't include AM Stereo to their so called high > performance radio. Rest assured, I will not be buying one. I > already have several nice radios and boomboxes that all receive nice > FM Stereo signals. > I can't believe that there are No manufacturers Whatsoever making > AMS capable radios! This is truly messed up. Give me a break about > the argument that there is no market for it either, that most people > don't even know it exists. Because if you use that logic, then how > can you justify manufacturing shortwave radios? ive been a shortwave listener for over 35 years.my first experience was with a philco tombstone...id like to see a nice portable ams /fms stereo radio with self contained speakers.the only time i will wear headphones is during field day ,other than that ,i have no use to headphones..the srf-42 that has been mentioned was an experiment.i wanted a cheap radio that tuned ams.........joe From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Apr 13 21:06:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 14 Apr 2002 04:06:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 39180 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2002 04:06:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2002 04:06:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14204.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.146) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2002 04:06:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20020414040648.56184.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.162.18.173] by web14204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 21:06:48 PDT Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 21:06:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Stations Do NOT have to spend ANY money for AM Stereo !!!!!!!!!! To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio A Former CC CE wrote: "In other words, AMS will NOT see any resurgence from CC or other major broadcaster unless it is already there or they have no other recourse.." Here's where I get super pis*ed-off: MANY CC STATIONS ALREADY HAD AM STEREO, ALREADY (and still do) HAVE A STEREO STL, ALREADY HAVE A STEREO PROCESSOR, HAVE STEREO AM OFF-AIR MONITORS, ALREADY HAVE THE ANTENNAS UP TO SPEC AND THE STEREO AM EXCITERS ARE JUST TURNED-OFF! WE ARE NOT ASKING THEM TO SPEND ONE DAMN DOLLAR, JUST TURN THE STEREO AM BACK ON! There are many Jacor stations that had AM stereo before assimilation by the Borg (Clear Channel) and their lugnut lunkheads in charge made them turn their stereo off. All we ask is that they turn the doggone stereo AM equipment back on! Amen. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From rjskadl@yahoo.com Sun Apr 14 01:37:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 14 Apr 2002 08:37:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 82112 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2002 08:37:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2002 08:37:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2002 08:37:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2002 08:37:56 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 08:37:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Stations Do NOT have to spend ANY money for AM Stereo !!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020414040648.56184.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 294 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl > There are many Jacor stations that had AM stereo before assimilation > by the Borg (Clear Channel) and their lugnut lunkheads in charge made > them turn their stereo off. Interesting observation. Especially since it is mostly all of the Jacor crowd that are now running Clear Channel. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sun Apr 14 02:14:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 14 Apr 2002 09:14:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 38364 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2002 09:14:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2002 09:14:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2002 09:14:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2002 09:14:06 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 09:14:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC: the digital disaster Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3CB89F5A.4FB23FF2@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2337 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.96 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., cboone@e... wrote: > Just trying to change an > AM station from mono to stereo requires: > 1) New exciter > 2) new STL path (old one was probably a 8 > or 15kHz dry line... > 3) New console (most AMs use a mono console... > 4) new processor or upgrades (this involved at least > a cost of over $5000... > 5) new off air monitor capable of doing AMS > PLUS the antenna array has to be swept and aligned properly for > a smooth reactance curve across the center freq of the station... If they intend to do IBOC instead of C-QuAM they would pretty much have to do most of these things anyway with the exception of 1 & 5 which pretain directly to C-QuAM where IBOC would use its own exciter and monitor. In fact getting a station ready for IBOC may be more stringent. Getting a station tweaked for C-QuAM would help in the conversion to IBOC down the road. Remember that the supposed selling point for IBOC on AM is STEREO with a 12KHz response. I can see no reason why a broadcaster would invest in IBOC and remain MONO with reduced coverage for daytime only to have to return to analog at night. If CC is too cheap to invest in C-QuAM what makes you think that they will dump out money for IBOC. > No that's not it at all....MP3 or AC2 or 3 is fine in the wired world.. > but when you have to TRANSMIT it, that's the hard part... Well it is similar. Just like a modem connects at a given speed for the available S/N ratio so is the situation during transmittion. If the phone line is extremely noisy it may not connect at all. If it is marginal then you may connect at 14.4, 19.2 or 28.8. The difference is that unlike a modem that is two way communication and can renegotiate its connect speed if the line noise worstens to stay connected, IBOC will simply refuse to work if the packet loss is greater than what the error correction and correct for. For those that lie outside the radius of coverage where the S/N is poor would be like the modem not connecting at all. Whatever the transmittion bitrate is used the digital stream would have to be chosen to fit within that. This is where the research on MP3 and AC3 comes in and its not going to get much better, at least not enough to do 12kHz stereo with the limited BW avainable and the S/N ratio that plagues the AM band. JSG From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sun Apr 14 02:40:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 14 Apr 2002 09:40:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 17959 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2002 09:40:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2002 09:40:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2002 09:40:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2002 09:40:19 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 09:40:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Stations Do NOT have to spend ANY money for AM Stereo !!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1153 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.96 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "rjskadl" wrote: > > > There are many Jacor stations that had AM stereo before assimilation > > by the Borg (Clear Channel) and their lugnut lunkheads in charge > made > > them turn their stereo off. > > Interesting observation. Especially since it is mostly all of the > Jacor crowd that are now running Clear Channel. Yea, I never thought that CC before Jacor was all that bad at least from what I've heard. These tactics are typical of the Jacor crowd that has been from the very beginning of Jacor. You can say that the body of Clear Channel is possesed by the evil spirit of Jacor that needs to be gotten rid of though an exorcisism. Or CC has turned towards the dark side of Darth Vader(Jacor). The pre CC Jacor may of seen an advantage to having AMS as a profit booster but once they became one and monopolized the airwaves and had little competition it was all about profit. They no longer needed AMS as a tool to boost profits since they had a captured audience. If they have any plans for IBOC why would they want to make analog AM sound any better lessening the gap between digital. JSG From narkspud@hotmail.com Sun Apr 14 05:42:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 14 Apr 2002 12:42:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 99030 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2002 12:42:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2002 12:42:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.110) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2002 12:42:52 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 05:42:51 -0700 Received: from 67.224.23.98 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 12:42:51 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC: the digital disaster Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 05:42:51 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Apr 2002 12:42:51.0877 (UTC) FILETIME=[E41AE950:01C1E3B1] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.224.23.98] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud >night. If CC is too cheap to invest in C-QuAM what makes you think >that they will dump out money for IBOC. They won't. Some of their network affiliate TV stations aren't even stereo yet. CC was like that before the JaCor purchase, and for whatever reason, doesn't seem to have changed a bit. As noted by the former CC engineer, CC won't spend nothin' for nothin' unless it can be shown to be financially imperative. (I'm a former employee myself. Never again.) It gets financially imperative when the competition forces the issue. However, I too don't get why they would turn AMS OFF when it's already in place. That doesn't make a lick of sense outside of just trying to be ornery. narkspud _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From raydtuner@yahoo.com Sun Apr 14 06:14:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: raydtuner@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 14 Apr 2002 13:14:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 87831 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2002 13:14:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2002 13:14:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2002 13:14:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2002 13:14:44 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 13:14:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: GE SuperRadio IV Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200204132002.AA1034617078@backroads.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1516 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "raydtuner" X-Originating-IP: 63.188.20.42 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92072182 X-Yahoo-Profile: raydtuner --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Joseph Elias" wrote: > PRAY THE ROSARY DAILY FOR WORLD PEACE......."The essence of prayer > is not to think a lot, but to love a lot." St. > Teresa of Avila. > > > > How Nice. A new version of the Super Radio with FM Stereo and > just > > like every other electronics maker, with their heads up where > the > Sun > > don't shine, GE didn't include AM Stereo to their so called high > > performance radio. Rest assured, I will not be buying one. I > > already have several nice radios and boomboxes that all receive > nice > > FM Stereo signals. > > I can't believe that there are No manufacturers Whatsoever > making > > AMS capable radios! This is truly messed up. Give me a break > about > > the argument that there is no market for it either, that most > people > > don't even know it exists. Because if you use that logic, then > how > > can you justify manufacturing shortwave radios? > ive been a shortwave listener for over 35 years.my first > experience was with a philco tombstone...id like to see a nice > portable ams /fms stereo radio with self contained speakers.the > only time i will wear headphones is during field day ,other than > that ,i have no use to headphones..the srf-42 that has been > mentioned was an experiment.i wanted a cheap radio that tuned > ams.........joe REPLY: I tuned WJMX 970 South Carolina last night. I don't know if it was , stereo, but it was listenable!RAY>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From narkspud@hotmail.com Sun Apr 14 06:23:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 14 Apr 2002 13:23:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 47150 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2002 13:22:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2002 13:22:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.230) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2002 13:22:44 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 06:22:43 -0700 Received: from 67.219.108.236 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 13:22:43 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Clearing the Channel Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 06:22:43 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Apr 2002 13:22:43.0958 (UTC) FILETIME=[75E58160:01C1E3B7] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.219.108.236] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud >Yea, I never thought that CC before Jacor was all that bad at least >from what I've heard. These tactics are typical of the Jacor crowd >that has been from the very beginning of Jacor. You can say that >the body of Clear Channel is possesed by the evil spirit of Jacor >that needs to be gotten rid of though an exorcisism. Or CC has turned >towards the dark side of Darth Vader(Jacor). Feh. Jacor may have added a new dimension of antisocial tendencies to the mix, but as a pre-Jacor CC employee, I can report that they've always been about dominating the marketplace through sheer monopoly, without being terribly concerned with the technical quality of the product. Their management style was top-down with little local input. Their biggest (indeed, practically ONLY) concern from an engineering standpoint was that we kept things legal. Improvements got made only when it corrected a competitive deficit, or fixed an obvious money drain (IE equipment that was so unreliable that it was costing them viewers and/or advertisers). But bringing things back into focus, now that we've met one of the "enemies," lets see how we can approach them. One must assume that they turn AMS off for a reason, and my Clear Channel Babelfish says it's probably because either (1) they consider it a competitive disadvantage or (2) they think it costs them money. Reason (1), I'll betcha, is something to do with the 115% modulation thing, or the reduced coverage area. I'm guessing the former, since I doubt CC would be concerned with, um, clear channel broadcasting!? Easily fixed. Show them convincing evidence that they're wrong. Reason (2) is more problematic. It COULD cost money if their exciter was giving them guff, or they need to lease additional STL lines. I'm sure there are other potential reasons I'm not aware of. You won't know unless you ask. The No Stereo edict almost certainly came from the top, so at least some of those stations don't actually have the cost problem. They turned it off because they were ordered to. So bug 'em anyway. I'm 95% sure that CC would *let* a station turn its AMS back on if said station could first demonstrate that (1) it wouldn't put them at a competitive disadvantage and (2) it wouldn't cost CC anything. We can provide the evidence for the former. So let's not give up, OK? And (this is important) if you hear any Clear Channel station that sounds BAD (lousy frequency response, distortion, no stereo on FM or TV) you should DEFINITELY call them on it, thus demonstrating that the public DOES care about sound quality. We aren't going to magically transform CC into justice, goodness, and light overnight, but I'm sure they do have employees (and probably even a suit or two) who care about broadcasting and could use your help and support. narkspud _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun Apr 14 11:32:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 14 Apr 2002 18:32:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 35680 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2002 18:32:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2002 18:32:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2002 18:32:48 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d67-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.99]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g3EIWkn29781 for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 11:32:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <001401c1e3e2$acb45ce0$63f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: Subject: KUET Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 11:31:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, its a step in the right direction.... KUET again has the pilot on. Thanks to those of you who sent e-mail. Hopefully they will do something about seperation now. Kevin Mesa, Arizona "I worry that the person who thought up Muzak may be thinking up something else." Lily Tomlin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Apr 14 14:10:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 14 Apr 2002 21:10:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 61714 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2002 21:10:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2002 21:10:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2002 21:10:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2002 21:10:40 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 21:10:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New Expanded Band station... in Australia! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1232 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.85.33 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Any report if 3XX is in Stereo or not? If not... they should be! ===================================================================== Subject: 3XX Melbourne on air Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 01:42:22 +1000 From: "Karin & David" Newsgroups: aus.radio.broadcast 1611 3XX Melbourne is back on air this evening and apparently full time. Heard at 1430 UTC with Retro and modern pop. Gives the odd jingle "Melbourne's brand new radio station is finally here 1611 3XX" Gives web address as: http://www.1611.cjb.net/ They are calling for announcers, and yes they are unpaid positions until selection of paid staff in May/June. Address given is: P.O. Box 173 Caulfield East 3145, Victoria or email to RADIO1611@HOTMAIL.COM. Official station launch is: at MONSOONS nightclub, April 26th (Friday) at Grand Hyatt It says on the web that 3 Double X presents the best new music, chart hits, dance, and retro dance and chart classics from the 80's and 90's - 24 hours every day 365 days per year. Simply, you wanted a full time station - here it is ! - Simply switch to 1611 AM and STAY WITH US !. Interesting concept. Wonder how they will finance the whole thing & get listeners up on the X Band. Dave From joe_n3wtv@backroads.net Sun Apr 14 15:20:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: joe_n3wtv@backroads.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 14 Apr 2002 22:20:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 20910 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2002 22:20:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2002 22:20:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO backroads.net) (206.155.45.250) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2002 22:20:16 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 18:20:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200204141820.AA113574172@backroads.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: Subject: using the shift key X-Mailer: From: "Joseph Elias" Reply-To: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109158622 X-Yahoo-Profile: joen3wtv PRAY THE ROSARY DAILY FOR WORLD PEACE......."The essence of prayer is not to think a lot, but to love a lot." St. Teresa of Avila. it's OK to try and learn to use the shift key. i would love to ,but since my work injury.i have very little use of my left arm.my left arm was my typing hand.the right hand has progressed to typing with one finger......joe From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Apr 14 18:29:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 15 Apr 2002 01:29:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 51502 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2002 01:29:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2002 01:29:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2002 01:29:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2002 01:28:58 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 01:28:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: More on daytime-only IBOC Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2993 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.85.33 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From the New York Radio Message Board.... and then following is the response from one AM station engineer: ===================================================================== The NAB released some information on the iBiquity AM IBOC system in their Radio TechCheck for this week. According to the fax... (paraphrased by me, with some direct quotes) An evaluation report was drafted by the National Radio Systems Committee's DAB Subcommittee and recommends that the system "...should be authorized by the FCC as an enhancement to AM broadcasting in the US as a day-time only service." They say this because of the serious adjacent channel interference encountered with IBOC, saying that "Additional testing would be needed before the NRSC could further comment on the nightime compatibility of hybrid AM IBOC." They suggest that the "...night service can either be revised by the Commission at a future date or made available once the iBiquity 'all-digital' mode is authorized." And the good news? Well, there's some in here... - audio quality: "... comparable to that... (of) analog FM radio..." - service area: "...hybrid AM IBOC digital coverage during the daytime is comparable to analog coverage along radial routes tested. At night, digital coverage fell short of the predicted nighttime interference-free contours and the system blended to analog before reaching this contour." - durability: "...more robust under impulse noise and co- and adjacent channel interference (than analog)..." For your own copy of the entire NRSC report, visit http://www.nab.org/SciTech/nrsc.asp ===================================================================== IBOC on AM. There is a way it can work, but not if the word "hybrid" is involved. First off, sharing a 10KC channel between analog and digital, causes the quality of both to suffer. Although AM radios only "hear" around 3-4 KC of bandwidth, a HUGE difference can be heard if one is broadcasting with less than 10 KC. Don't ask me why, it just is. At the same time, the digital side, when sharing the band, does NOT sound FM or CD-like! It has the same artifacts as early Real-Audio streaming. All of this aside, the consumer will not "transition" to digital AM on some promise that it may sound better. It will be AM-Stereo all over again. The only way for IBOC-AM to take hold in the market would be for the FCC to pick a date (like Y2K!). On that date (Jan 1, 2004??), all analog AM transmissions would go illegal and be replaced by full in-band digital. Assuming programmers put something there worth listening to, the consumer would then be forced into buying a new receiver. Anything less than an all-or-nothing "hard transition" will be a failure. Let's quit pussyfooting around. If we're going to do something, let us do it right or not at all. Let's stop wasting time and money for change. Agreed? ===================================================================== From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Apr 14 18:37:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 15 Apr 2002 01:37:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 61365 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2002 01:37:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2002 01:37:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2002 01:37:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2002 01:37:05 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 01:37:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: using the shift key Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200204141820.AA113574172@backroads.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 416 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.85.33 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > i would love to ,but since my work injury.i have very little use > of my left arm.my left arm was my typing hand.the right hand has > progressed to typing with one finger......joe I suggest you consider using a keyboard based on the One-Handed Dvorak layout. It is specifically designed for people who use primarily only one hand to type. For more information, go to: http://home1.gte.net/bharrell/#type From rjskadl@yahoo.com Sun Apr 14 19:09:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 15 Apr 2002 02:09:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 89134 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2002 02:09:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2002 02:09:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2002 02:09:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2002 02:09:15 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 02:09:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Stations Do NOT have to spend ANY money for AM Stereo !!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 916 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 206.112.35.28 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl > > Yea, I never thought that CC before Jacor was all that bad at least > from what I've heard. I'll go along with that. I worked for a Chancellor station and I really must say that Chancellor Media actually did some good here on Long Island. They took WALK AM, which used to simply simulcast WALK FM, and gave it it's own Identity as Sunrise 1370. They took WBLI which was always the AC underdog to WALK FM and performed a brilliantly executed format change to CHR which set the stage for WBLI to become one of the top CHRs in the country. Of course WBLI is owned by cox now, but it was well on its way to greatness under chancellor. There was a big antitrust suit filed and the result was that WBLI FM, WBAB/WHFM FM (where I worked) and WGBB AM were sold off to COX. However the once Mighty WALK FM (Clear Channel) which was once THE radio station here on LI is now dropping in the ratings. From cboone@earthlink.net Sun Apr 14 19:50:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cboone@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 15 Apr 2002 02:50:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 67367 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2002 02:50:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2002 02:50:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.62) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2002 02:50:40 -0000 Received: from user-0ccshog.cable.mindspring.com ([24.206.71.16] helo=earthlink.net) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16wwZj-000105-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 19:50:40 -0700 Message-ID: <3CBA42CE.7CF7E053@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 22:02:38 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Stations Do NOT have to spend ANY money for AM Stereo !!!!!!!!!! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: cboone@earthlink.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173263 I worked for CC decades before they grew (back in the 70s when they were just expanding) and then recently (I was first a Jacor Engineer then CC after the take over ....merger?? WHAT merger?) Clear Channel has ALWAYS been called CHEAP Channel in the biz... from the 70s to today, and its TRUE!!!! Not only that but the battle between CC and Jacor as to who is running the show (and now AMFM with the combined clusters) is still going on..I found Jacor to be a little better for a while..until we changed GMs at our station (the one who was there when I hired on was the original under Nationwide..remember them?)....HE was a family type guy and very easy to work with/for...the new GM (Jacor guy) came along, brought in a new PD, fired the morning show on one station, later ran off the morning show on another (and they are now #1 in the afternoons on an Infinity station).....got rid of the evening duo on the same station (and they are now doing afternoons on an Infinity station in a larger market!)...in the meantime, the stations have tanked in the ratings, morale is at an all time low, last year I was there was told because sales were down, so were the bonuses; and then HE drives in with a new Beamer!! (reported to cost 80,000+!!!) His wonderful replacement PD for the cluster eventually got fired (ohh, I should say was let go......they NEVER fire buds or high up management...only those in the lowest level of management!).... for sexual harrasment and reported payola (this was NEVER made public.. but I KNOW the truth...and have the proof along with several other people)...and all the time was defending what he did and how great things are... NOW if CC will allow this sh*t to continue, you really think they give a damn about AM stereo???? HELL NO!!!! Thats the truth...... BTW I hear COX is a good company to work for....but then they hired away a CC manager in one large market...and I heard within 2 weeks of his arrival, he ordered dress code, etc for the place...CMON folks, this is radio for God's sake...not Wall street! (oh wait, guess who owns radio now???) Thanks to Reganomics and the "let the market place decide" and also "open the markets for full competition and let one owner own more properties than normally allowed"..... Yep, it all goes back to that crap..... Chris (BTW Im not a Jackass or an Elephant...I hate politics period... which is why I am no longer a CC employee........) rjskadl wrote: > > > > > Yea, I never thought that CC before Jacor was all that bad at least > > from what I've heard. > > I'll go along with that. I worked for a Chancellor station and I > really must say that Chancellor Media actually did some good here on > Long Island. They took WALK AM, which used to simply simulcast WALK > FM, and gave it it's own Identity as Sunrise 1370. They took WBLI > which was always the AC underdog to WALK FM and performed a > brilliantly executed format change to CHR which set the stage for > WBLI to become one of the top CHRs in the country. Of course WBLI is > owned by cox now, but it was well on its way to greatness under > chancellor. There was a big antitrust suit filed and the result was > that WBLI FM, WBAB/WHFM FM (where I worked) and WGBB AM were sold off > to COX. However the once Mighty WALK FM (Clear Channel) which was > once THE radio station here on LI is now dropping in the ratings. From joe_n3wtv@backroads.net Sun Apr 14 21:41:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: joe_n3wtv@backroads.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 15 Apr 2002 04:41:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 38954 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2002 04:41:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2002 04:41:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO backroads.net) (206.155.45.250) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2002 04:41:04 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 00:40:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200204150040.AA379453566@backroads.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: using the shift key X-Mailer: From: "Joseph Elias" Reply-To: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109158622 X-Yahoo-Profile: joen3wtv PRAY THE ROSARY DAILY FOR WORLD PEACE......."The essence of prayer is not to think a lot, but to love a lot." St. Teresa of Avila. i bookmarked the website.the software is for windows 95/98.i take this as a sublte hint.this is the first group i belong to ,im being criticised for my typing.i thought this was a forum to discuss radio not a persons typing skills.good luck with your group.your go far....joe From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Apr 14 22:43:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 15 Apr 2002 05:43:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 50605 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2002 05:42:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2002 05:42:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2002 05:42:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2002 05:42:57 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 05:42:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: using the shift key Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200204150040.AA379453566@backroads.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 749 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.85.33 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > i bookmarked the website.the software is for windows 95/98.i take > this as a sublte hint.this is the first group i belong to ,im > being criticised for my typing.i thought this was a forum to > discuss radio not a persons typing skills.good luck with your > group.your go far....joe I meant it in no way as criticism.... it is great to have you in the group regardless if you are the world's best typist or not. We can read your messages fine and that's all that really matters. I simply mentioned the Dvorak layout because if I was in your position it is something I would consider using, just to make things easier. After all, that is the whole point of having a computer... to make things easier and more convenient for yourself. From dav259@csiro.au Sun Apr 14 23:34:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 15 Apr 2002 06:34:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 93452 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2002 06:34:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2002 06:34:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2002 06:34:21 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA24937; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:34:17 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:34:16 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Cc: amstereoforum Subject: 1611 3XX launch Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Hi guys Looking forward to the new station! Any chance of it being in AM stereo? It'd get you a fair bit of publicity and the hi-fi sound is awesome. Ian http://www.amstereoradio.com http://www.geocities.com/amstereoexp/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ian Davidson _--_|\ home: 03 9534 8786 41 Smith Street / \ work: 03 9545 8717 St. Kilda Beach Vic 3182 \_.--.*/ mobile: 0421 500 720 Australia v ian.davidson@csiro.au ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jsgil@hal-pc.org Mon Apr 15 00:22:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 15 Apr 2002 07:22:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 39205 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2002 07:22:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2002 07:22:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2002 07:22:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2002 07:22:20 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 07:22:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: More on daytime-only IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4007 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.138 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > From the New York Radio Message Board.... > and then following is the > response from one AM station engineer: > ============================================= > The NAB released some information on the > iBiquity AM IBOC system in > their Radio TechCheck for this week. I checked out the reports for CCrane and Clear Channel. CCrane was pretty negative on the whole thing which is not suprising since they are into the whole DX thing with their CCRadio. They also suggested that a separate band should be used for DAB, hints of a Eureka type system, doesn't it. Clear Channel was pretty honest with the test that showed the interference problems present and voiced concerns that the IBOC mask extended well past the 10.2KHz limit for analog AM thus increasing the adjacent channel interference problem. There overall impression of the tests are appearent in this quote: "we feel the impact of adding IBOC to existing AM band will have a profoundly deleterious effect and will effectively end sky wave listening." CC may feel that Ibiquity's representation of IBOC may not be entirely accurate in this quote: "Based on our test results, we do not believe that section J of the Ibiquity report (Non-Host Compatibility) adequately depicts the deleterious impact of adding Hybrid AM IBOC to the existing AM band." They go on to say that if further tests give similiar results they do not appear to be in favor of it if it will have such a negative impact. CC is probably starting to feel the hurt of their heavy investment in Ibiquity. I see them taking two paths when confronted with this, push for the sundown of analog AM or implement a separate band for DAB. They might be more inclined for sundown but will be met with the greatest resistance. My feeling is that AM needs to stay analog especially for emergency situations since it is a failsafe means of getting info out to the people. AM also has a rich history that includes DXing, one of its strong points. I don't think the FCC would allow the loss of some of these benefits especially where public safety is concerned. > Although AM radios only "hear" around 3-4 KC of bandwidth, a HUGE > difference can be heard if one is broadcasting with less than 10 KC. > Don't ask me why, it just is. My theory on this could be twofold. If received with an LC IF you may see a HF attenuation response that is somewhat more drastic that the NRSC curve. Most radios have 3 IF transformers. If each one has a BW for a 6KHz resopnse then combined effect of all three would give a -9db @ 6KHz and -18db @ 12KHz. That would give an approximate response of -7db @ 10KHz over what is necessary for de-emphasis. Now most radios have a narrower BW than this and would attenuate the signal more and you would have less HF. The other is that the sum of all the sidebands is reflected in the total envelope modulation. With the inherent shortcomings of the envelope detector it tends to manefest this on negative excusions of the envelope. If you modulate a full 10KHz signal then the modulation level will be adjusted not to exceed -100% modulation. When this is received with a 3-4KHz BW then the HF sidebands of the signal are greatly attenuated and do not greatly add the envelope modulation. The effective received modulation with a narrow BW may be more like 70% at the detector. Now if you limited the freq. response to 5KHz then this may be more like 95% at the detector and that would be for a filter with a flat delay response. This is not the case for most filters and the best way to describe this is to modulate the signal with a square wave and observe the over shoot. If the signal is modulated to -100% then a filter with a poor delay response could cause enough overshoot to cause the detector to produce a fair amount of distortion. For the most part an envelope detector produces its best sound when it is not pushed to its limits on downward modulation. JSG From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Apr 15 07:49:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 15 Apr 2002 14:49:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 38908 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2002 14:40:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2002 14:40:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14205.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.151) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2002 14:40:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20020415144042.30297.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 07:40:42 PDT Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 07:40:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fwd: AM IBOC Evaluation Report To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Talk about a deceitful report - read this pile of rubbish. - They didn't test night-time coverage, because they didn't ask them to evaluate it (wonder why?) - They used a crappy Delco auto radio with 3KHz bandwidth- not a UX1. - They are only using 20kps??!! - They will use a 15KHz bandwidth, but 'it shouldn't cause too much interference with 1st adjacent stations'. - They even say that they DIDN'T test 'co-channel interference'. - The better quality receivers and home tuners and portables had "some degradation of the analog with the digital noise", but it "wasn't that objectionable". - No FACTS - only 'opinion charts' with subjective numbering. I was unable to find any kind of 'frequency response of xxHz to xxKHz'(not to say it's not in the report, but I didn't see it yet - maybe I'm still too fired-up). How about technical facts folks? Here's the link below to read for yourself. It is a huge 60+ pages, so it will take a long time to load the pdf files. Have fun reading. <> http://www.nab.org/scitech/amevaluationreport.asp __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From mark_608@hotmail.com Mon Apr 15 08:24:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 15 Apr 2002 15:24:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 44707 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2002 15:24:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2002 15:24:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.30) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2002 15:24:32 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 08:24:31 -0700 Received: from 136.1.1.101 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 15:24:30 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} CHOK 1070 Sarnia is Back!!! Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 11:24:30 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Apr 2002 15:24:31.0874 (UTC) FILETIME=[A42ABE20:01C1E491] From: "Mark Sundquist" X-Originating-IP: [136.1.1.101] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3850332 X-Yahoo-Profile: mark_608 I have noticed that their pilot has come and gone over the years...never heard any separation at all before..I will have to tune in and pay closer attention to the commercials... Mark Sterling Heights,MI >From: "matt_haw2000" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} CHOK 1070 Sarnia is Back!!! >Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 17:35:53 -0000 > >CHOK 1070 Sarnia is back in broadcasting Stereo. The music seems to >be mono but the commericals are stereo. But hey it's nice to see a >station RETURN to stereo in this day and age. > >Thanks, >MattH > > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From scott.toenniessen@fmr.com Mon Apr 15 10:47:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: scott.toenniessen@fmr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 15 Apr 2002 17:47:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 49446 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2002 17:45:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2002 17:45:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2002 17:45:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2002 17:34:21 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 17:34:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1520 WWKB Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 468 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "spt87a" X-Originating-IP: 204.110.135.35 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > Anybody else notice 1520 WWKB from Buffalo, NY broadcasting without a > Stereo pilot last night? On Saturday (two days after this post), I received them in Boston in Stereo. This was on a Visteon CD-6 so I know it was legit (it needs ideal conditions to kick into stereo). > > http://www.kb1520.com/ > > but it is showing up blank. This has been out there and blank for years. - Scott From scott.toenniessen@fmr.com Mon Apr 15 11:02:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: scott.toenniessen@fmr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 15 Apr 2002 18:02:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 90039 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2002 17:34:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2002 17:34:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2002 17:34:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2002 17:34:33 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 17:34:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1520 WWKB Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 468 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "spt87a" X-Originating-IP: 204.110.135.35 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > Anybody else notice 1520 WWKB from Buffalo, NY broadcasting without a > Stereo pilot last night? On Saturday (two days after this post), I received them in Boston in Stereo. This was on a Visteon CD-6 so I know it was legit (it needs ideal conditions to kick into stereo). > > http://www.kb1520.com/ > > but it is showing up blank. This has been out there and blank for years. - Scott From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Apr 15 13:31:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 15 Apr 2002 20:31:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 29532 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2002 20:31:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2002 20:31:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2002 20:31:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2002 20:29:26 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 20:29:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fwd: AM IBOC Evaluation Report Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020415144042.30297.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2920 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.77 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > - They used a crappy Delco auto radio with 3KHz bandwidth- not a > UX1. I noticed one of the radios they tested for analog AM was the Sony CFD-S22 boom-box.... one of our popular conversions to AM Stereo! > - They are only using 20kps??!! The IBOC digital data is actually in two parts: "core" and "enhanced". The "core" part is 20 kbps and will get you monaural audio with "about 15 kHz" frequency response. This sounds the same to me as RealAudio G2's 20 kbps Music High Response setting, which has a 14.5 kHz frequency response and generally marginal quality. Then, if the signal is strong enough, the IBOC receiver will also decode the "enhanced" signal, which adds on an additional 16 kbps of data rate for a total of 36 kbps. They claim this gives you Stereo audio, again with about 15 kHz response. I think this is probably comparable to RealAudio 8.0 at the 44 kbps Stereo Music setting, which gives you 13.8 kHz frequency response with generally marginal quality -- yes, it is crisp Stereo audio, but the quality is definitely lacking, and there are very obvious "artifacts" in the sound. > - They will use a 15KHz bandwidth, but 'it shouldn't cause too much > interference with 1st adjacent stations'. This is what I find most ridiculous. Nearly a decade ago, the FCC enacted the 10 kHz NRSC bandwidth limit in order to cut down on adjacent channel interference. It was required for *all* AM stations. And now IBOC can say, "our system doesn't work well enough within the 10 kHz limit, so we're going to break the rules and expand it to 15 kHz"? If IBOC is allowed to use 15 kHz audio bandwidth in which to fit their digital signals, and the FCC approves this for daytime use, I think analog AM stations should gang together and also demand the right to use 15 kHz audio bandwidth during the day. Then the listening public will really notice the difference: analog stations will sound identical to FM on wide-bandwidth receivers with the crisp, clear 15 kHz audio response, while in comparison the 4.5 kHz IBOC analog audio will really sound like garbage. Also, very telling are the coverage graphs of the IBOC tests on 50,000 watt Class A clear channel station 1500 WTOP in Washington, DC. During the day, the digital IBOC signal "gave up" and blended to analog at about 40 miles away from the transmitter -- not too bad, but most regular AM radios can surely get a clear signal from WTOP at much more than 40 miles away. For example, some of the big 50 kW New York City AM stations get ratings in Philadelphia -- and that's a good 70 to 90 miles away! But at night, the IBOC digital signal on WTOP only lasted for 13 MILES before giving up! Sheesh... a whopping 50,000 watt station with only 13 MILES of coverage at night? Sounds *great* to me!! A clear channel station suddenly reduced to the coverage of a "graveyard channel" Local Class C station! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Apr 15 13:51:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 15 Apr 2002 20:51:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 59446 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2002 20:51:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2002 20:51:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2002 20:51:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2002 20:35:24 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 20:35:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1520 WWKB Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 869 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.77 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > On Saturday (two days after this post), I received them in Boston in > Stereo. This was on a Visteon CD-6 so I know it was legit (it needs > ideal conditions to kick into stereo). Yes, 1520 WWKB is definitely back in Stereo. I guess I caught them that one night on a mono backup transmitter. WWKB has a great signal but it is sure wasted with their syndicated Business Talk format. Their "Real Country" satellite country music format may have been a bit unoriginal, but it sure sounded good in AM Stereo until they dumped it a few years ago for a Sports format (then a simulcast of a local FM station, and now the Business Talk format). And I wonder why WWKB isn't running Joey Reynolds' syndicated late-night talk show? It would be great to hear Joey's voice on "KB" again, even it if is via a network talk show instead of as a local disc jockey. From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Mon Apr 15 14:06:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 15 Apr 2002 21:06:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 57053 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2002 20:42:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2002 20:42:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2002 20:42:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2002 20:36:01 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 20:35:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1520 WWKB Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1135 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.171.249.103 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 It's tempermental because of 1510 WLAC and 1530 WSAI being such powerhouses at night that WWKB gets blowin in the dust. North of Barrie Ontario, the signal comes in clear as a bell during the day. It is definatly stereo. At night again it gets blown away by WLAC and WSAI. It's unfortunate. Also I have problems with WLS and WCBS being so close. As soon as I hit wideband stereo out goes WLS and in comes leakage from WCBS. Up in Barrie, poor CFCO gets blown away by the mono monster CFYI. Takes a rare occasion to hear CFCO in stereo up North. MattH --- In amstereoforum@y..., "spt87a" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > > Anybody else notice 1520 WWKB from Buffalo, NY broadcasting without > a > > Stereo pilot last night? > > On Saturday (two days after this post), I received them in Boston in > Stereo. This was on a Visteon CD-6 so I know it was legit (it needs > ideal conditions to kick into stereo). > > > > > http://www.kb1520.com/ > > > > but it is showing up blank. > > This has been out there and blank for years. > > - Scott From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Mon Apr 15 16:11:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 15 Apr 2002 23:11:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 52133 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2002 23:11:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2002 23:11:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2002 23:11:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2002 22:52:23 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 22:52:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1520 WWKB Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1249 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.163.27.39 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 Yeah WWKB is the LOWEST rated station in the Buffalo-Toronto area. It has a 0.3! Time to dump business talk. In of all places Buffalo! Might be a little more successful in Toronto where Buffalo signals are locals but those listeners don't show up in the ratings. MattH --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > > On Saturday (two days after this post), I received them in Boston in > > Stereo. This was on a Visteon CD-6 so I know it was legit (it needs > > ideal conditions to kick into stereo). > > Yes, 1520 WWKB is definitely back in Stereo. I guess I caught them > that one night on a mono backup transmitter. WWKB has a great signal > but it is sure wasted with their syndicated Business Talk format. > Their "Real Country" satellite country music format may have been a > bit unoriginal, but it sure sounded good in AM Stereo until they > dumped it a few years ago for a Sports format (then a simulcast of a > local FM station, and now the Business Talk format). > > And I wonder why WWKB isn't running Joey Reynolds' syndicated > late-night talk show? It would be great to hear Joey's voice on "KB" > again, even it if is via a network talk show instead of as a local > disc jockey. From dav259@csiro.au Mon Apr 15 16:28:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 15 Apr 2002 23:29:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 65463 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2002 22:46:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2002 22:46:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2002 22:46:12 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00749 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 08:46:10 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 08:46:10 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: Re: 1611 3XX Melbourne launch Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Would you believe my Sony AMS tuner pulls up 9Khz short of picking up 1611 Double X? But I get a decent signal on the walkman and boombox. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 19:39:12 +1000 From: Anton Vanderlely To: dav259@csiro.au Subject: Re: 1611 3XX launch Hi Ian, We're looking at AM Stereo at the moment - however out tech's have just got a great sound going (though in mono). Our plan is to upgrade to AM stereo within a few months of commencement of "live" transmission. The technology is available, and be assured it on the agenda ! The only factor in immediate consideration is linking cost for two channels, finding ways to clear this small issue at this moment. Regards, Anton Vanderlely Double X From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Apr 15 17:10:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 16 Apr 2002 00:10:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 61441 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2002 23:46:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2002 23:46:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO boron.vcn.com) (209.193.72.5) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2002 23:46:43 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.29]) by boron.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 17:46:42 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: 1611 3XX Melbourne launch Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 17:46:54 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good News Ian! ALWAYS good to see another AMS hit the air. Let's make sure they hold to their promise and not crap out like some american AMS's with "well we reviewed the costs of a stereo link between the studio and transmitter and could not justify the cost given the fact that there are very few AM stereo radios out there." Good luck down under! MJR in WYO USA -----Original Message----- From: Ian Davidson [mailto:dav259@csiro.au] Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 4:46 PM To: amstereoforum Subject: {AMSF} Re: 1611 3XX Melbourne launch We're looking at AM Stereo at the moment - however out tech's have just got a great sound going (though in mono). Our plan is to upgrade to AM stereo within a few months of commencement of "live" transmission. The technology is available, and be assured it on the agenda ! The only factor in immediate consideration is linking cost for two channels, finding ways to clear this small issue at this moment. Regards, Anton Vanderlely Double X [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Apr 15 17:26:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 16 Apr 2002 00:26:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 18825 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2002 00:26:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2002 00:26:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2002 00:26:43 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-63.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.63]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g3G0Pvdj029899 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 19:25:58 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001e01c1e4dd$6b593bc0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <3CB89F5A.4FB23FF2@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC: the digital disaster Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 19:26:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Chris, I respect you, having read your opinions in various publications, still I have to disagree with you on this, at least partially. What about the stations they took over which were AMS? I'm thinking specifically of KFYR in Bismarck, ND and KWMT in Ft. Dodge, IA. The STLs were already stereo and both play music, especially the latter. I do understand the equipment was aging at KFYR, but a quick look through some broadcast equipment suppliers shows most all the consoles they sell are stereo. The cost difference isn't all that much when there is a choice. I work for Salem, and ALL their studios are wired with stereo consoles, though the actual wiring is an unholy mix of stereo and mono. You'd only need one STL path with a good digital system such as the Moseley 6000. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Don't bet on it...as a former CC Chief Engineer, I can tell you most > of CC's AMs will not be playing music and NOT be running AMS if > they weren't before being acquired by CC...Just trying to change an > AM station from mono to stereo requires: > 1) New exciter > > 2) new STL path (old one was probably a 8 or 15kHz dry line...new > one would require twice the costs OR an RF path and the added costs of > dishes, RF gear, feedline AND allocations for such in major markets > just AINT gonna happen!) > > 3) New console (most AMs use a mono console... From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Apr 15 17:29:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 16 Apr 2002 00:29:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 24260 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2002 00:29:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2002 00:29:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2002 00:29:31 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-63.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.63]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g3G0Sjdj000306 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 19:28:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002601c1e4dd$cf5d7b40$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC: the digital disaster Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 19:29:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Now I'd have to get something better than a dial-up connection to hear the comparison in all of its glory... *sigh* ST ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics > You can go to their web site at http://www.ibiquity.com and listen to > demo recordings there. Both the AM and FM samples sound like rubbish. From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Apr 15 17:35:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 16 Apr 2002 00:35:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 96377 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2002 00:11:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2002 00:11:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2002 00:11:15 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-63.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.63]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g3G0ATdj027705 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 19:10:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001a01c1e4db$4209e500$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <002c01c1e32b$ddcbe2b0$fdb22243@juan> Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTB Update Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 19:11:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude How much can you guys scrape up? I may have a lead on a first generation Motorola (#1300). Honestly, I'd like it for my own use, but I'd rather you have it if you can put it on the air fairly soon. Either that, or I may donate to your cause. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Juan / John Gualda so sadly it's up to me, and a couple fellow employees. > We will not give up hope, but to be honest, I am getting discouraged. > With all the stations that have turned off the stereo, I am really suprised there is not a glut of exciters on the market. > > We'll keep trying. > > Juan > WTTB 1490 Vero Beach, Florida > From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Apr 15 17:38:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 16 Apr 2002 00:38:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 86253 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2002 00:38:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2002 00:38:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2002 00:38:36 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-63.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.63]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g3G0bodj001512 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 19:37:51 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <005201c1e4df$14747160$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <200204141820.AA113574172@backroads.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} using the shift key Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 19:38:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Yikes- get better soon! :) Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Elias > i would love to ,but since my work injury.i have very little use > of my left arm.my left arm was my typing hand.the right hand has > progressed to typing with one finger......joe From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Apr 15 18:18:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 16 Apr 2002 01:18:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 50031 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2002 01:18:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2002 01:18:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2002 01:18:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2002 01:17:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 01:17:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1611 3XX Melbourne launch Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 448 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.77 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Would you believe my Sony AMS tuner pulls up 9Khz short of picking > up 1611 Double X? Switch it to 10 kHz (American) channel spacing mode and then it should tune up to 1610 kHz, which will be close enough to lock in the Stereo signal if 3XX is transmitting one. (I've heard that the Sony multi-system decoder has a +/- 3 kHz lock-in range, so you can be as much as 3 kHz away from the actual signal frequency and still use Stereo mode.) From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Apr 15 18:23:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 16 Apr 2002 01:23:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 42209 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2002 01:22:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2002 01:22:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2002 01:22:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2002 01:20:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 01:20:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC: the digital disaster Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002601c1e4dd$cf5d7b40$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 300 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.77 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Now I'd have to get something better than a dial-up connection to > hear the comparison in all of its glory... *sigh* If you do a little sneaking around, you can download the Shockwave demo file (.SWF extension) and save it on your hard disk before playing it. It's about 600 kB as I recall. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Apr 15 21:49:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 16 Apr 2002 04:48:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 77974 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2002 04:48:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2002 04:48:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14202.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.144) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2002 04:48:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20020416044858.69978.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.162.18.173] by web14202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 21:48:58 PDT Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 21:48:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Hey IAN: Sherwood TD130SB tuner DOES STEREO AM! To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Ian: one of your Australia brethren had this for sale: Title of item: Sherwood TD130SB tuner DOES STEREO AM! Seller: ianmav@netspace.net.au Starts: Apr-14-02 21:37:40 PDT Ends: Apr-21-02 21:37:40 PDT Price: Starts at AU $1.00 To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1346502633 C-Quam AM Stereo Tuner 240V-50Hz version - also does FM Stereo. Says on the front "C-Quam AM Stereo Synthesizer Tuning System". Due to the good working condition of this item, it will be sold with a money-back guarantee (excluding postage). Australian buyers: Note: a 10% GST applies to the final sale price of this item. Shipping $5 within Melbourne, confirmed). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From n0uiheric@aol.com Mon Apr 15 22:20:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 16 Apr 2002 05:20:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 66014 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2002 05:20:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2002 05:20:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r06.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.102) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2002 05:20:42 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.154.c69040f (3876) for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 01:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <154.c69040f.29ed0ea5@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 01:20:37 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 1520 WWKB To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih What format could Entercom switch WWKB to? Probably Adult Standards; there's no 50 kW station programming Adult Standards on the entire East Coast that's NOT owned by Clear Channel. Classical? Maybe; Entercom does have a station in Kansas City (KXTR 1660) programming the format. Yet, that's the domain of WNED-FM. Oldies? Probably not. What format would work best with WWKB's Stereo? 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Mon Apr 15 22:38:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 16 Apr 2002 05:38:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 79559 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2002 05:38:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2002 05:38:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2002 05:38:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2002 05:38:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 05:38:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Hey IAN: Sherwood TD130SB tuner DOES STEREO AM! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020416044858.69978.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1048 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.163.82.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 Wow! Looks like we might start a bidding war! I want it! Can it be converted to 10 kHz? Thanks, MattH --- In amstereoforum@y..., Johnny Electron wrote: > Ian: one of your Australia brethren had this for sale: > > Title of item: Sherwood TD130SB tuner DOES STEREO AM! > Seller: ianmav@n... > Starts: Apr-14-02 21:37:40 PDT > Ends: Apr-21-02 21:37:40 PDT > Price: Starts at AU $1.00 > To bid on the item, go to: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1346502633 > > C-Quam AM Stereo Tuner > 240V-50Hz version - also does FM Stereo. > > Says on the front "C-Quam AM Stereo Synthesizer Tuning > System". > Due to the good working condition of this item, it will be sold > with a money-back guarantee (excluding postage). > > Australian buyers: Note: a 10% GST applies to the final sale > price of this item. > Shipping $5 within Melbourne, confirmed). > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Mon Apr 15 22:55:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 16 Apr 2002 05:55:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 6449 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2002 05:55:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2002 05:55:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2002 05:55:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2002 05:55:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 05:55:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Start your biding! A Sony ST-JX220A is up for grabs! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 205 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.163.82.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 Check it out! A Canadian version is now up for grabs. I tell you guys that this is the home tuner to get. I have one and it's great. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1346396852 MattH From RMATHENA@PAPERCUTTERSINC.COM Tue Apr 16 06:43:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rmathena@papercuttersinc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 16 Apr 2002 13:43:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 3544 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2002 12:36:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2002 12:36:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail09a.bellsouth-hosting.net) (209.130.32.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2002 12:36:38 -0000 Received: from 128.242.46.183 (128.242.46.183) by mail12.bellsouth-hosting.net (RS ver 1.0.60s) with SMTP id 01801381 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 08:39:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 08:40:09 -0400 Message-ID: <01C1E522.51095760.rmathena@papercuttersinc.com> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re:select-a-tenna * DA-5 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 08:40:09 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 From: Randy Mathena X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109210582 X-Yahoo-Profile: wpci1490 TOM, IS YOUR DENNON TUNER A HOME MODEL AND DO YOU USE A SPECIAL ANTENNA TO PICK UP AM STEREO BETTER. WE OWN AND OPERATE A 1000 WATT AM STEREO STAION PLAYING MUSIC 24 HOURS A DAY 7 DAYS A WEEK NON-STOP. WE HAVE BEEN SPEECHLESS FOR NEAR THREE YEARS AND THE FORMAT IS A BIG-BIG HIT. I AM SEARCHING FOR A GOOD HOME UNIT AND ANTENNA SYSTEM. I WOULD LIKE TO CONTRACT SOMEONE TO BUILD SMALL AM STEREO TUNERS THAT WOULD PICK UP 1490AM STEREO ONLY. WE WOULD MARKET THESE UNITS AND COUPLE THEM WITH A STATE OF THE ART ANTENNA. WE WOULD MARKET UNITS OVER THE COUNTER OR INSTALLED. I AM SATISFIED THAT THIS WOULD BE A VERY SUCCESSFUL VENTURE IN OUR AREA. I WOULD EVEN TRAVEL TO CHINA OR JAPAN TO FIND A MANUFACTURER. ANY ADVICE THAT YOU CAN GIVE ME WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED. RANDY MATHENA OWNER AND PROGRAM DIRECTOR WPCI AM STEREO "DEFINITIVE RHYTHM AND BLUES" GREENVILLE, S.C. 800-843-7130 X 25 ---------- From: tom_richard1980[SMTP:tom_richard1980@yahoo.com] Reply To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 9:21 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re:select-a-tenna * DA-5 <> From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Apr 16 16:29:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 16 Apr 2002 23:29:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 51758 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2002 22:24:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2002 22:24:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2002 22:24:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2002 22:23:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 22:02:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re:select-a-tenna * DA-5 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01C1E522.51095760.rmathena@papercuttersinc.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1423 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.178 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., Randy Mathena wrote: > I AM > SEARCHING FOR A GOOD HOME UNIT AND ANTENNA SYSTEM. I WOULD LIKE TO > CONTRACT SOMEONE TO BUILD SMALL AM STEREO TUNERS THAT WOULD PICK UP 1490AM > STEREO ONLY. WE WOULD MARKET THESE UNITS AND COUPLE THEM WITH A STATE OF > THE ART ANTENNA. WE WOULD MARKET UNITS OVER THE COUNTER OR INSTALLED. I > AM SATISFIED THAT THIS WOULD BE A VERY SUCCESSFUL VENTURE IN OUR AREA. I > WOULD EVEN TRAVEL TO CHINA OR JAPAN TO FIND A MANUFACTURER. On Chris' DIY page I think he made a radio that was tuned to a single station. I don't know if they are still available though, you would have to check with him. There has been recent discussions about designing and building a pocket AMS radio using the Motorola MC13024 all-in-one chip and going overseas to have them manufactured once the demand was high enough. I have looked at some of the features desireable and the complexity necessary. I an divided between a very small unit using 2 AAA batteries, a 6KHz IF filter and little post detection filtering for a 6KHz respones to a more elaborate filter with a response almost to 10KHz with notch filters. The latter would increase cost, size and power consumption. Since the MC13024 doesn't have the best S/N radio I think the simpler solution would provide a smaller, lower cost, and lower fidelity route for a nice pocket sized receiver. JSG From scott.toenniessen@fmr.com Tue Apr 16 17:10:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: scott.toenniessen@fmr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 17 Apr 2002 00:10:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 55842 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2002 00:10:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2002 00:10:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2002 00:10:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2002 00:02:50 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 16:28:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1520 WWKB Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <154.c69040f.29ed0ea5@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 600 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "spt87a" X-Originating-IP: 204.110.135.35 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public --- In amstereoforum@y..., n0uiheric@a... wrote: > What format could Entercom switch WWKB to? 6:10 The rumor on the Radio and Television in Buffalo web page is that Radio Disney is looking for a home in that market and KB seems a likely candidate. I don't think adult standards would go as there is already a Top 10 AM station in Buffalo doing standards (WECK). There are some smaller AMs in the market do standards as well. BTW: Danny Neaverth, the long time morning jock on KB, lost the job he's had doing mornings for a good 15 years on WHTT-FM oldies 104 a couple weeks ago. - Scott From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Apr 16 19:41:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 17 Apr 2002 02:41:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 18963 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2002 00:40:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2002 00:40:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2002 00:40:20 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-138.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.138]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g3H0dWdj027235 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 19:39:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004e01c1e5a8$7e7137a0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <01C1E522.51095760.rmathena@papercuttersinc.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:select-a-tenna * DA-5 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 19:40:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude If you have a decent home unit, chances are you can install one of Chris Cuff's decoder boards. As far as a fixed-tuned radio goes, chances are you'll have to limit that to the cheap pocket portable type. I know of a manufacturer or two that make them for Christian radio stations; don't know if they'd do it for yours. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy Mathena > I AM > SEARCHING FOR A GOOD HOME UNIT AND ANTENNA SYSTEM. I WOULD LIKE TO > CONTRACT SOMEONE TO BUILD SMALL AM STEREO TUNERS THAT WOULD PICK UP 1490AM > STEREO ONLY. WE WOULD MARKET THESE UNITS AND COUPLE THEM WITH A STATE OF > THE ART ANTENNA. From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Tue Apr 16 21:01:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 17 Apr 2002 04:01:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 97254 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2002 01:44:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2002 01:44:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf16bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.56) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2002 01:44:48 -0000 Received: from juan ([67.34.233.59]) by imf16bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020417014608.JTRP3633.imf16bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 21:46:08 -0400 Message-ID: <001001c1e5b1$746b0f70$3be92243@juan> To: Subject: 1470 In Sioux City Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 21:44:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is 1470 In Sioux City Iowa still Stereo ? I used to live and work in the area (Storm Lake, IA, KAYL-AM-FM) I heard that it is owned by CC, so I guess the answer is no. Thanks Juan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Tue Apr 16 21:20:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 17 Apr 2002 04:20:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 72816 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2002 01:55:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2002 01:55:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf18bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2002 01:55:48 -0000 Received: from juan ([67.34.233.59]) by imf18bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020417015548.JMEU24467.imf18bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 21:55:48 -0400 Message-ID: <001d01c1e5b3$00493930$3be92243@juan> To: Subject: Sony SRF-42 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 21:55:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Did someone on this list get the SRF-42 on e-bay either yesterday, or the day before ? It had a buy it now option for $19.99. Juan Gualda WTTB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Apr 16 21:39:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 17 Apr 2002 04:39:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 22227 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2002 04:39:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2002 04:39:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2002 04:39:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2002 04:39:56 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 04:39:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sony SRF-42 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001d01c1e5b3$00493930$3be92243@juan> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 249 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.70.7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Did someone on this list get the SRF-42 on e-bay either yesterday, > or the day before ? There were actually two of them on eBay, and both sold through the $19.99 "Buy It Now" option. I did not recognise the User ID of either auction winner. From RMATHENA@PAPERCUTTERSINC.COM Wed Apr 17 04:33:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rmathena@papercuttersinc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 17 Apr 2002 11:33:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 59179 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2002 11:33:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2002 11:33:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail09a.bellsouth-hosting.net) (209.130.32.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2002 11:33:20 -0000 Received: from 128.242.46.183 (128.242.46.183) by mail12.bellsouth-hosting.net (RS ver 1.0.60s) with SMTP id 02429810 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 07:35:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 07:37:02 -0400 Message-ID: <01C1E5E2.AA406100.rmathena@papercuttersinc.com> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re:select-a-tenna * DA-5 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 07:37:02 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 From: Randy Mathena X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109210582 X-Yahoo-Profile: wpci1490 THANKS FOR YOUR RESPONSE AND INFORMATION. I WILL STAY TUNED. RANDY MATHENA ---------- From: jsgilst[SMTP:jsgil@hal-pc.org] Reply To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 6:02 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re:select-a-tenna * DA-5 <> From RMATHENA@PAPERCUTTERSINC.COM Wed Apr 17 04:52:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rmathena@papercuttersinc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 17 Apr 2002 11:52:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 68958 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2002 11:38:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2002 11:38:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail09b.bellsouth-hosting.net) (209.130.32.57) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2002 11:38:32 -0000 Received: from 128.242.46.183 (128.242.46.183) by mail09b.bellsouth-hosting.net (RS ver 1.0.60s) with SMTP id 01877001 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 07:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 07:42:29 -0400 Message-ID: <01C1E5E3.6CEA0EE0.rmathena@papercuttersinc.com> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re:select-a-tenna * DA-5 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 07:42:28 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 From: Randy Mathena X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109210582 X-Yahoo-Profile: wpci1490 SCOTT, HOW DO I CONTACT CHRIS CUFF AND CAN I PURCHASE THE DECODER UNIT FROM HIM AND INSTALL IT ON MY HOME UNIT? THIS WOULD BE VERY ATTRACTIVE IN OUR MARKET. IS THERE ALSO AN AFTER MARKET ANTENNA THAT IS SUGGESTED FOR PULLING IN AM STEREO? THANKS FOR YOUR REPLY. RANDY MATHENA ---------- From: Scott Todd[SMTP:stodd@sherbtel.net] Reply To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 8:40 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:select-a-tenna * DA-5 <> From mwradio@gmx.net Wed Apr 17 06:06:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mwradio@gmx.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 17 Apr 2002 13:06:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 85304 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2002 12:16:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2002 12:16:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.dnbsi.com) (207.229.108.169) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2002 12:16:49 -0000 Received: from espositojm2 (0-1pool156-183.nas1.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net [65.128.156.183]) by smtp.dnbsi.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A9AA3CCF3 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 05:16:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001001c1e609$be6b9420$06630780@espositojm2> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony SRF-42 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 08:16:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Joe Esposito" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=93604673 X-Yahoo-Profile: espositojm I bid on one of the srf-42's. I just couldn't resist but was somewhat hesitant because of the sellers feedback. I am hoping that the radio is in "new" condition like he advertised. Not a bad price if the radio is in "new" condition. I'll let you know what the condition is when I get it. Joe Esposito From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Wed Apr 17 07:48:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 17 Apr 2002 14:48:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 32901 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2002 13:00:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2002 13:00:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.32.181.124) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2002 13:00:09 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 06:00:08 -0700 Received: from 208.228.96.20 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 13:00:08 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re:select-a-tenna * DA-5 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 09:00:08 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Apr 2002 13:00:08.0847 (UTC) FILETIME=[CD6D39F0:01C1E60F] From: "Chris Cuff" X-Originating-IP: [208.228.96.20] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059 I'm always here, Randy! Sometimes takes a while to answer emails do to time constraints. Email me at my ccuff@in4web.com address for more info... Chris >From: Randy Mathena >>SCOTT, HOW DO I CONTACT CHRIS CUFF AND CAN I PURCHASE THE DECODER UNIT >>FROM >HIM AND INSTALL IT ON MY HOME UNIT _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dave_m1ctk@yahoo.co.uk Wed Apr 17 08:42:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dave_m1ctk@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 17 Apr 2002 15:42:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 81672 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2002 15:16:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2002 15:16:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2002 15:16:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2002 15:15:47 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 00:11:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Start your biding! A Sony ST-JX220A is up for grabs! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 353 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" X-Originating-IP: 213.121.71.221 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=70214876 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@y..., "matt_haw2000" wrote: > Check it out! A Canadian version is now up for grabs. I tell you guys > that this is the home tuner to get. I have one and it's great. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1346396852 > > MattH Can this version be switched for UK / Australian voltage 240v ?? From mmalm@btinet.net Wed Apr 17 14:48:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mmalm@btinet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 17 Apr 2002 21:48:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 89044 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2002 21:48:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2002 21:48:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2002 21:48:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2002 21:48:25 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 21:48:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony SRF-42 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001001c1e609$be6b9420$06630780@espositojm2> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 487 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "n0faz" X-Originating-IP: 24.220.28.132 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83590293 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0faz Just what is a Sony SRF-42? For $20 it sounds like a good deal if it's anyhting from Sony! Mark --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Joe Esposito" wrote: > I bid on one of the srf-42's. I just couldn't resist but was somewhat > hesitant because of the sellers feedback. > I am hoping that the radio is in "new" condition like he advertised. > > Not a bad price if the radio is in "new" condition. > > I'll let you know what the condition is when I get it. > > Joe Esposito From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Apr 17 18:37:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 18 Apr 2002 01:37:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 49129 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2002 01:37:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2002 01:37:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2002 01:37:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2002 01:36:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 01:36:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony SRF-42 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1591 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.67.52 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Just what is a Sony SRF-42? For $20 it sounds like a good deal if > it's anyhting from Sony! The Sony SRF-42 is an inexpensively designed AM Stereo/FM Stereo Walkman radio (headphones only, no built-in speakers). It was designed in 1993 in accordance with the new "AMAX" specifications for AM Stereo, and was introduced in January 1994. Since then over 750,000 of them have been sold. Radio Shack sold it as catalog number 12-127 at $29.99 each up until about 2000 when their stock ran out. The SRF-42 features AM Stereo reception with analog tuning. It uses Sony's AM Stereo decoder chip which is compatible with the Motorola C-Quam system but is not a *true* Motorola decoder so there is a bit more distortion in the sound (not really that much to be annoying, but sometimes you can hear it). It runs in "forced Stereo" mode, which means it decodes the signal in Stereo mode regardless if the signal is actually being broadcast in Stereo or not. This gives a unique effect to mono signals, but can sometimes exaggerate the effect of interference or "platform motion". The SRF-42 is relatively sensitive and has surprisingly good sound quality for its low cost and simple design. Negatives include a "fussy" analog tuning knob that takes a bit of fiddling to tune in a station to the center of its signal. Also, its FM tuner is very poor unless you open it up and crush capacitor C14 in order to disable its FM Stereo Blend circuit. Without this modification, on all but the strongest FM signals, it remains in Mono mode and the sound is quite muffled. From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Apr 17 19:16:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 18 Apr 2002 02:16:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 45948 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2002 20:00:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2002 20:00:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2002 20:00:19 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.84]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.203) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 16:00:37 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c1e64a$a84d6f60$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: Subject: Ramsey news Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 16:01:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Just to keep you all up to date, I have been contacted by Ramsey, and the situation looks VERY good right now. Their chief product designer is on vacation, but will be in touch with me next week. As well, I have been encouraged to keep in touch with them. It seems like we have found a possible important gateway to our projects! Chris From amfmdx@fastq.com Thu Apr 18 02:30:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 18 Apr 2002 09:29:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 86803 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2002 14:55:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2002 14:55:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2002 14:55:21 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d80-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.112]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g3HEtKn97826 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 07:55:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <002a01c1e61e$c6129b00$70f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <01C1E5E3.6CEA0EE0.rmathena@papercuttersinc.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:select-a-tenna * DA-5 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 07:47:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > SCOTT, HOW DO I CONTACT CHRIS CUFF AND CAN I PURCHASE THE DECODER UNIT FROM > HIM AND INSTALL IT ON MY HOME UNIT? Write him at ccuff@in4web.com to buy a decoder. > THIS WOULD BE VERY ATTRACTIVE IN OUR > MARKET. IS THERE ALSO AN AFTER MARKET ANTENNA THAT IS SUGGESTED FOR > PULLING IN AM STEREO? THANKS FOR YOUR REPLY. Radio Shack loop p/n 15-1853. You really don't need an aftermarket antenna but if you have to have it, this is the one. Its only $29.95. I own one, no power needed. Just sit it next to the radio. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From philipr@irac.pe.ca Thu Apr 18 02:42:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 18 Apr 2002 09:43:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 17216 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2002 19:03:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2002 19:03:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2002 19:03:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2002 19:03:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 19:03:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sony SRF-42 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 396 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > > Did someone on this list get the SRF-42 on e-bay either yesterday, > > or the day before ? > > There were actually two of them on eBay, and both sold through the > $19.99 "Buy It Now" option. I did not recognise the User ID of either > auction winner. I got one of them today! They went fast! Phil [aka tubesareking] From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Thu Apr 18 03:34:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 18 Apr 2002 10:34:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 88603 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2002 10:34:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2002 10:34:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.32.181.11) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2002 10:34:56 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 03:34:56 -0700 Received: from 208.228.96.20 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:34:55 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF-42 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 06:34:55 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Apr 2002 10:34:56.0001 (UTC) FILETIME=[AE942F10:01C1E6C4] From: "Chris Cuff" X-Originating-IP: [208.228.96.20] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059 BTW- someone mentioned that Sony made 750,000 of these. Sorry- not even close. The total run was 20,000 (per my conversations with Sony hQ in 1996) At the end of their "shelf life", they entered into agreement with Radio Shack to liquidate the unsold units. Chris _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From philipr@irac.pe.ca Thu Apr 18 05:56:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 18 Apr 2002 12:56:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 4207 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2002 12:56:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2002 12:56:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2002 12:56:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2002 12:56:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 12:56:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Sony SRF-42 Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1139 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking I ordered one of the Sony SRF-42s which was offered by Electronic Giant on ebay - with the buy now option. Cost works out to be US$36.99 including insured shipping and handling from NY to PEI Canada. Approximately $60.00 Canadian, plus Canada Customs and GST. Likely a grand total of $70.00. The things we do for AM Stereo! But looking forward to it. Maybe I'll be able to catch an audio file to upload of CJFX before they go dark. Then, it will just be dx, dx and more dx. Guess my select-a-tenna will come in handy. Hmmm - once I recover from Zenith Transoceanic and other ebay addictions, should set aside some $ for something really important, like an Alfredo Lite if Chris commences production again. Hmmm, lets see, groceries, mortgage, utilities, gas, an Alfredo Lite ... Of course, with good luck, maybe Chris and Ramsey will team up to crank out some great AM stereo kits [and hopefully some all-builts too]! CHERs Phil PS - To the best of my knowledge, 950 CHER in Sydney NS was never stereo, although its former arch rival now sister station 1270 CJCB was stereo - as is well documented by Alex K. From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Thu Apr 18 07:29:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 18 Apr 2002 14:29:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 56595 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2002 13:43:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2002 13:43:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.32.181.16) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2002 13:43:04 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 06:43:04 -0700 Received: from 208.228.96.20 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 13:43:04 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony SRF-42 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 09:43:04 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Apr 2002 13:43:04.0929 (UTC) FILETIME=[F74DE510:01C1E6DE] From: "Chris Cuff" X-Originating-IP: [208.228.96.20] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059 ooh... trans-oceanics.... now HERE is a great radio to convert to both FM Stereo and AM stereo- They convert beautifully! (the transistor versions) 3000 and 7000. Chris >From: "tubesareking" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dave_m1ctk@yahoo.co.uk Thu Apr 18 08:25:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dave_m1ctk@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 18 Apr 2002 15:25:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 36123 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2002 15:12:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2002 15:12:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2002 15:12:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2002 15:10:18 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 15:10:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony SRF-42 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1914 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" X-Originating-IP: 213.121.69.110 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=70214876 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan I did'nt realize the cquam decoder was'nt the real thing then. Btw why does the addition of an exta AA cell improve sound quality not that I've tried this, is it totally safe to do this ? --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > > Just what is a Sony SRF-42? For $20 it sounds like a good deal if > > it's anyhting from Sony! > > The Sony SRF-42 is an inexpensively designed AM Stereo/FM Stereo > Walkman radio (headphones only, no built-in speakers). It was > designed in 1993 in accordance with the new "AMAX" specifications for > AM Stereo, and was introduced in January 1994. Since then over > 750,000 of them have been sold. Radio Shack sold it as catalog number > 12-127 at $29.99 each up until about 2000 when their stock ran out. > > The SRF-42 features AM Stereo reception with analog tuning. It uses > Sony's AM Stereo decoder chip which is compatible with the Motorola > C-Quam system but is not a *true* Motorola decoder so there is a bit > more distortion in the sound (not really that much to be annoying, but > sometimes you can hear it). It runs in "forced Stereo" mode, which > means it decodes the signal in Stereo mode regardless if the signal is > actually being broadcast in Stereo or not. This gives a unique effect > to mono signals, but can sometimes exaggerate the effect of > interference or "platform motion". > > The SRF-42 is relatively sensitive and has surprisingly good sound > quality for its low cost and simple design. Negatives include a > "fussy" analog tuning knob that takes a bit of fiddling to tune in a > station to the center of its signal. Also, its FM tuner is very poor > unless you open it up and crush capacitor C14 in order to disable its > FM Stereo Blend circuit. Without this modification, on all but the > strongest FM signals, it remains in Mono mode and the sound is quite > muffled. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Apr 18 08:45:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 18 Apr 2002 15:45:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 99634 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2002 15:45:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2002 15:45:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2002 15:45:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2002 15:45:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 15:45:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sony SRF-42 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 742 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 207.200.162.105 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I did'nt realize the cquam decoder was'nt the real thing then. Btw > why does the addition of an exta AA cell improve sound quality not > that I've tried this, is it totally safe to do this ? The Sony SRF-42's circuitry is safe at any voltage up to 5 volts, perhaps even higher. The higher voltage simply allows it to work at closer to its ideal operating voltage, for slightly better reception and sound quality. If you remember the Sony SRF-A1 walkman and and the SRF-A100 portable radio, both used much of the same circuitry, however the SRF-A1 ran on two AA cells (3 volts) while the SRF-A100 ran on three AA cells (4.5 volts). Therefore there is no reason why the SRF-A1 couldn't be upgraded to run on 4.5 volts as well. From justinvn@yahoo.com Thu Apr 18 11:57:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: justinvn@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 18 Apr 2002 18:57:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 24409 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2002 17:56:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2002 17:56:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2002 17:56:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2002 17:55:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 17:55:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1470 In Sioux City Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001001c1e5b1$746b0f70$3be92243@juan> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 332 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "justinvn" X-Originating-IP: 199.120.69.101 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Juan / John Gualda" wrote: > Is 1470 In Sioux City Iowa still Stereo ? > > I used to live and work in the area (Storm Lake, IA, KAYL-AM-FM) > > I heard that it is owned by CC, so I guess the answer is no. > Sorry, they've gone mono and moved to a Satellite-fed Sports Radio format. From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Thu Apr 18 16:46:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 18 Apr 2002 23:46:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 91291 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2002 21:44:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2002 21:44:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf22bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.62) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2002 21:44:53 -0000 Received: from juan ([67.34.32.212]) by imf22bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020418214452.EHNH11615.imf22bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:44:52 -0400 Message-ID: <001f01c1e722$47877ad0$d4202243@juan> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 1470 In Sioux City Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:44:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 Figures... They used to sound really good Juan > > I used to live and work in the area (Storm Lake, IA, KAYL-AM-FM) > > > > I heard that it is owned by CC, so I guess the answer is no. > > > > > Sorry, they've gone mono and moved to a Satellite-fed Sports Radio > format. From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Apr 18 18:42:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 19 Apr 2002 01:42:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 31353 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2002 01:42:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2002 01:42:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2002 01:42:48 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-209.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.209]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g3J1fudj004523 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 20:41:57 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <006001c1e743$91154580$d3a9fea9@me> To: Subject: Fw: Stereo AM Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 20:43:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can anyone help my friend out with obtaining an Alfredo Lite? It should have enough power to drive an LPB trasmitter as the modulation is done at such a low level the thing is mostly a big linear amp. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: William Walker To: Scott Todd Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 8:46 PM Subject: Stereo AM Scott: My friend said that we'd need a stereo exciter to drive the LPB unit if we want to broadcast in stereo. Good news is that even a part 15 exciter would apparently have enough power to do the job. Any suggestions on where to get one? If I recall you mentioned a very low power 10 mw version from one of your friends in your AM Stereo group. Would that be enough power? Thanks, William [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Apr 19 04:20:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 19 Apr 2002 11:20:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 39274 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2002 18:16:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2002 18:16:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2002 18:16:03 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-136.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.136]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g3HIFEdj011678 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 13:15:15 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003801c1e63b$fb274bc0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <01C1E5E3.6CEA0EE0.rmathena@papercuttersinc.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:select-a-tenna * DA-5 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 13:16:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude There is the Select-A-Tenna, the Terk Advantage, and one sold by Radio Shack. These work for mono or stereo and are all external units you place next to the radio. The RS units are the easiest to obtain. You tune the antenna to the same freq. as the radio is tuned to and it increases the strength for the radio. If you're interested in the first two, take some time and do a google search on the web. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy Mathena IS THERE ALSO AN AFTER MARKET ANTENNA THAT IS SUGGESTED FOR > PULLING IN AM STEREO? THANKS FOR YOUR REPLY. RANDY MATHENA From RMATHENA@PAPERCUTTERSINC.COM Fri Apr 19 04:37:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rmathena@papercuttersinc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 19 Apr 2002 11:37:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 74070 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2002 11:37:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2002 11:37:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail09b.bellsouth-hosting.net) (209.130.32.57) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2002 11:37:38 -0000 Received: from 128.242.46.183 (128.242.46.183) by mail09b.bellsouth-hosting.net (RS ver 1.0.63s) with SMTP id 02989032 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 07:38:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 07:41:59 -0400 Message-ID: <01C1E775.AFF5DC80.rmathena@papercuttersinc.com> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Sony SRF-42 Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 07:41:58 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 From: Randy Mathena X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109210582 X-Yahoo-Profile: wpci1490 CHRIS, DID YOU RECEIVE AN EMAIL FROM ME RECENTLY. RANDY MATHENA AT WPCI AM STEREO IN GRENVILLE, S.C. ---------- From: Chris Cuff[SMTP:amstereoguy@hotmail.com] Reply To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 9:43 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony SRF-42 <> From RMATHENA@PAPERCUTTERSINC.COM Fri Apr 19 04:38:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rmathena@papercuttersinc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 19 Apr 2002 11:38:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 68723 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2002 11:38:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2002 11:38:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail09b.bellsouth-hosting.net) (209.130.32.57) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2002 11:38:42 -0000 Received: from 128.242.46.183 (128.242.46.183) by mail09b.bellsouth-hosting.net (RS ver 1.0.63s) with SMTP id 02982525 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 07:39:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 07:43:11 -0400 Message-ID: <01C1E775.DB466C60.rmathena@papercuttersinc.com> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re:select-a-tenna * DA-5 Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 07:43:10 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 From: Randy Mathena X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109210582 X-Yahoo-Profile: wpci1490 SCOTT, THANKS FOR THE TIP. I HAVE ONE OF THESE UNITS, ASSUMING THAT IT IS ROUND. RANDY MATHENA ---------- From: Scott Todd[SMTP:stodd@sherbtel.net] Reply To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 2:16 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:select-a-tenna * DA-5 <> From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Apr 19 06:36:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 19 Apr 2002 13:36:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 76752 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2002 14:02:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2002 14:02:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2002 14:02:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2002 13:53:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 04:35:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1470 In Sioux City Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001001c1e5b1$746b0f70$3be92243@juan> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 426 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.70.7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Is 1470 In Sioux City Iowa still Stereo ? I have 1470 KWSL in Sioux City, IA on my list of AM Stereo stations, but I don't know if this is still accurate or not. Radio-Locator shows KWSL as being owned by "Cleveland Radio Licenses, LLC", which sounds suspiciously like a "front" company for Clear Channel. However, since the AM Stereo listing for KWSL was entered, their format hasn't changed -- it's still Oldies. From philipr@irac.pe.ca Fri Apr 19 09:04:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 19 Apr 2002 16:04:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 83945 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2002 16:02:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2002 16:02:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2002 16:02:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2002 16:02:59 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 16:02:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony SRF-42 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001001c1e609$be6b9420$06630780@espositojm2> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 539 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Joe Esposito" wrote: > I bid on one of the srf-42's. I just couldn't resist but was somewhat > hesitant because of the sellers feedback. > I am hoping that the radio is in "new" condition like he advertised. > > Not a bad price if the radio is in "new" condition. > > I'll let you know what the condition is when I get it. > > Joe Esposito I had the same concerns, but took the plunge and purchased one via the buy it now option. I've heard a lot of good things about the SRF-42. Phil From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Apr 19 15:50:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 19 Apr 2002 22:50:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 29206 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2002 22:04:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2002 22:04:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2002 22:04:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2002 22:02:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 22:01:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re:select-a-tenna * DA-5 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003801c1e63b$fb274bc0$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 308 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.85.15 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > If you're interested in the first two, take some time and do a > google search on the web. I bought my Terk AM Advantage loop antenna at The Wiz, a home electronics chain store. It might have not been the cheapest price, but it was right there on the shelf. The Wiz also sells the GE Superadio III. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Apr 19 22:21:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 20 Apr 2002 05:21:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 66764 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2002 05:21:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2002 05:21:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2002 05:21:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2002 05:21:49 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 05:21:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Another Sony SRF-42 on eBay Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 152 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.85.15 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Sony SRF-42 AM Stereo Walkman... "Buy It Now" for $19.99.... first come, first serve! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1347181061 From kfornal@loa.com Fri Apr 19 22:48:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kfornal@loa.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 20 Apr 2002 05:48:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 80214 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2002 05:48:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2002 05:48:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2002 05:48:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2002 05:48:40 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 05:48:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Another Sony SRF-42 on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 268 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "theradboy" X-Originating-IP: 68.9.127.164 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110312140 X-Yahoo-Profile: theradboy --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > Sony SRF-42 AM Stereo Walkman... "Buy It Now" for $19.99.... first > come, first serve! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1347181061 Thanks for the heads up, I just bought it! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Apr 20 16:27:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 20 Apr 2002 23:27:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 67042 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2002 23:27:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2002 23:27:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2002 23:27:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Apr 2002 23:27:01 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 23:27:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Poor skywave DXing Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 298 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.143 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics If the skywave DXing on the AM band was really bad for you last night, you were not alone. Apparently there has been some geomagnetic storm that has screwed up the ionosphere for a while. Last night I could barely get any skywave DX, and the local stations were coming in much more clearly. From cboone@earthlink.net Sat Apr 20 16:34:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cboone@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 20 Apr 2002 23:34:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 44134 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2002 23:34:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2002 23:34:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.232) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2002 23:34:09 -0000 Received: from user-0ccshog.cable.mindspring.com ([24.206.71.16] helo=earthlink.net) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16z4Mr-0000xK-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 16:34:09 -0700 Message-ID: <3CC2004C.796EBA32@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 18:57:00 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Poor skywave DXing References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: cboone@earthlink.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173263 As noted in several lists: AURORA WARNING: On Monday, April 15th (0400 UT), a full-halo coronal mass ejection billowed away from the Sun. The expanding cloud is heading toward Earth and could ignite Northern Lights when it sweeps past our planet on April 17th or 18th. These CMEs are respsonsible for the Northern and Southern lights and aurora propogation on VHF/UHF as well as POOR or DEAD conditions on MW and HF bands up through 25-30 MHz kevtronics wrote: > > If the skywave DXing on the AM band was really bad for you last night, > you were not alone. Apparently there has been some geomagnetic storm > that has screwed up the ionosphere for a while. Last night I could > barely get any skywave DX, and the local stations were coming in much > more clearly. > From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Apr 21 11:23:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 21 Apr 2002 18:23:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 24345 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2002 18:23:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2002 18:23:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2002 18:23:30 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-149.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.149]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g3LIMBdj022346 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 13:22:35 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000901c1e961$b6b06e80$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Poor skywave DXing Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 13:23:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude It was rather interesting that I heard 1660 out of KC for the first time; also, Madison WI on 1670 was loud and clear but WKSH on 1640 was nowhere to be found. Heard some black gospel (ABC's "Rejoice" network) on 1680, but the signal was too weak to trip the stereo on, and I didn't get an ID. I doubt WJNZ runs that on saturday night. Heard two signals on 1700. One was Des Moines; no ID on the other. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics To: Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 6:27 PM Subject: {AMSF} Poor skywave DXing > If the skywave DXing on the AM band was really bad for you last night, > you were not alone. Apparently there has been some geomagnetic storm > that has screwed up the ionosphere for a while. Last night I could > barely get any skywave DX, and the local stations were coming in much > more clearly. > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Apr 21 17:01:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 22 Apr 2002 00:01:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 4157 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2002 00:01:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2002 00:01:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.5) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2002 00:01:45 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 9.39.25f1c895 (17232) for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 19:46:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39.25f1c895.29f4a93d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 19:46:05 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Poor skywave DXing To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Your 1680 is KRJO Monroe, LA. They're Urban Gospel; some programming is simulcast with KLMB 97.3 in nearby Bastrop, LA. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Apr 21 21:56:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 22 Apr 2002 04:56:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 14959 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2002 04:56:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2002 04:56:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14204.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.146) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2002 04:56:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20020422045612.79344.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.162.18.173] by web14204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 21:56:12 PDT Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 21:56:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Where's Bill / Oldphones? To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio OLDPHONES - Bill - are you still out there? What's going on in Omaha on the radio? KOIL? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Apr 22 22:59:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 23 Apr 2002 05:59:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 47550 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2002 05:59:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2002 05:59:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2002 05:59:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2002 05:59:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 05:59:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Web site update Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 244 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.138 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics The AM Stereo Receivers listing at www.AMStereoRadio.com has finally been completed, with a listing of home model stereo systems and tuners. It includes an illustration of the new Fanfare FTA-100 professional quality AMAX AM Stereo tuner. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Apr 23 17:40:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 24 Apr 2002 00:40:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 34641 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2002 00:40:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2002 00:40:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2002 00:40:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2002 00:40:07 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 00:40:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Is XM a sponsor of Jeopardy? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 395 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.128 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics A recent question/response on the TV game show "Jeopardy": Alex: "This radio band follows AM and FM." 'Correct' response from a contestant: "What is XM?" p.s. I vaguely recall some Jeopardy question having to do with, or including, AM Stereo... something along the lines of "This feature was added first to FM, then to AM, and finally to TV", and the response was "What is Stereo?" From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Apr 23 19:08:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 24 Apr 2002 02:08:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 66065 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2002 02:08:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2002 02:08:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2002 02:08:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2002 02:08:56 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 02:08:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Very poor DXing tonight Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 631 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.128 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics The ionosphere is almost totally DEAD tonight... local AM stations, usually covered up by interference from other stations at night, are coming in as clear as during the day, even in the 1230-1490 kHz range! The shortwave band is similarly poor... all the usual crowded bands are very, very sparse tonight, with only a few strong signals. Nevertheless, this may still be a good time for DXing some of the semi-distant stations on the more crowded frequencies... for example, on the channels that are usually just a jumble of stations, you may be able to distinctly pick out one or two stations on these channels tonight. From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Tue Apr 23 19:38:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 24 Apr 2002 02:38:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 50658 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2002 02:38:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2002 02:38:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2002 02:38:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2002 02:38:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 02:38:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Web site update Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 494 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.144.207.56 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 Great update! Looks amazing! One radio is missing though. Rega makes a high end tuner called the "R. Radio" or Rega Radio, which is AM Stereo. It is a current model. MattH --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > The AM Stereo Receivers listing at www.AMStereoRadio.com has finally > been completed, with a listing of home model stereo systems and > tuners. It includes an illustration of the new Fanfare FTA-100 > professional quality AMAX AM Stereo tuner. From kfornal@loa.com Tue Apr 23 21:57:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kfornal@loa.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 24 Apr 2002 04:57:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 88111 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2002 04:57:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2002 04:57:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2002 04:57:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2002 04:57:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 04:57:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Sony SRF-42 Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 165 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "theradboy" X-Originating-IP: 68.9.127.164 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110312140 X-Yahoo-Profile: theradboy OK...I just got my brand new Sony SRF-42. This is my first AM Stereo radio. Since there is no stereo light, how can I tell if the station is in stereo? Thanks! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Apr 23 23:27:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 24 Apr 2002 06:27:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 61771 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2002 06:27:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2002 06:27:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2002 06:27:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2002 06:27:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 06:27:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sony SRF-42 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1557 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.128 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > OK...I just got my brand new Sony SRF-42. This is my first AM > Stereo radio. Since there is no stereo light, how can I tell if the > station is in stereo? Thanks! You just have to listen for any true Stereo audio content, if there is any.... as you can tell, the Sony receives all AM stations in Stereo mode, regardless if they broadcast in AM Stereo or not. One tip: The switch on the SRF-42 provides Wide-bandwidth Stereo and Narrow-bandwidth Mono modes for AM. But if you carefully position it just between these two settings (it should stay there), you will get wide-bandwidth Mono, which is good for receiving Mono stations with full quality sound without extra noise from the Stereo reception. Also, tuning in to the center of a station's signal is important for the best reception and sound quality. The "tuning" light is only a small help at this. Generally, carefully rock the tuning knob back and forth until you find the center of the signal, where the high-pitched carrier whistle (if any) is the most reduced (quietest). This will give you the best Stereo quality. Finally, if the volume knob is too loose and you keep bumping it and blasting your ears out, simply push it in (flat against the top of the knob), for a tighter fit against the radio casing, and then the volume setting won't get disturbed so easily. Have fun with it... the SRF-42 is a little small and fussy, but once you get it tuned in, it really is a great radio, especially considering it is the least expensive AM Stereo radio ever made! From dav259@csiro.au Wed Apr 24 01:46:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 24 Apr 2002 08:46:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 33066 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2002 08:46:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2002 08:46:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2002 08:46:17 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14999 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 18:46:15 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 18:46:15 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: Stereo 3MP Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public All is not lost at Melbourne's 3MP. They are still trying to fix their transmission problem. Their recent CEO seems very responsive to listener feedback and it's good to be able to communicate with the Big Kahuna. This guy who seemingly headed the Perth, WA company DCL, though seemed based in Singapore at the time wanted to make his name in e-commerce. When they took over 3AK he made bold press announcements that 3AK would become Australia's first digital AM station. There's no talk of that now - or e-commerce either for that matter. Radio is now DCL's core business. They bought 3MP - and have since appointed Victoria's former State Premier who now does the drive talk shift on 3AK and has been issued equity in the company. They are now planning on establishing a radio network - which thankfully can only be two stations in any market. When 3MP returns to stereo I wouldn't be surprised if they'd mention the fact on their new web site - and maybe give a link to our web sites. This guy seems to love free publicity. (btw ... Anthony French is my sort of loudmouth alter ego - somewhat like Oz's answer to Shane Filan.) Le gra Ian :) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 18:13:27 +1000 From: Anthony French To: avation@earthlink.net Subject: Stereo 3MP Thanks Jeff! Will do - and will continue to tune in everyday in Dusty Springfied mode - wishin' and hopin' cheers Tony >From: "Jeff Chatfield" >Reply-To: avation@earthlink.net >To: "Anthony French" >Subject: Re: You didn't put a subject ... >Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 18:09:47 +0800 > >Anthony > >Points taken. > >The digital link is being repaired. > >NOTE: let me know if you notice a difference in the music. > >Thanks > >Jeff > >From: "Anthony French" >To: avation@earthlink.net >Subject: Re: You didn't put a subject ... >Date sent: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 18:06:55 +1000 > > > Hey Jeff > > > > I took it that your message below saying 3MP would be 'back to normal' > > meant back to stereo! Well we've waited another 8 weeks and though > > the stereo pilot is as bright as ever there's no separation. What's > > the story? > > > > If ever 3MP needs to be back in stereo it's NOW! The last ratings > > were the station's lowest since it began in 1975. It's no wonder > > that many listeners would prefer the music heard on Magic and GoldFM. > > > > But at least your starting to get the 3MP web site looking > > respectable. > > > > Good stuff! Keep it up. > > > > I quite like female announcers but if I was you I'd give Jane Holmes > > the flick. She comes across as a contrived winger - there are plenty > > of better female voices around. I reckon she doesn't fit the format. > > > > cheers > > > > Tony > > > > >From: "Jeff Chatfield" > > >Reply-To: avation@earthlink.net > > >To: "Anthony French" > > >Subject: Re: You didn't put a subject ... > > >Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 13:35:33 +0800 > > > > > >Anthony > > > > > >I understand that MP will be back to normal in 6 - 8 weeks. > > > > > >Jeff > > > > > > > > >Regards > > > > > >Jeff Chatfield > > >Managing Director > > >Data & Commerce Ltd > > > >Regards > >Jeff Chatfield >Managing Director >Data & Commerce Ltd > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Anthony French + + 8 Ricourt Ave phone: 0421 500 720 + + Murrumbeena Vic 3163 e-mail: xiix@hotmail.com + +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From dav259@csiro.au Wed Apr 24 05:23:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 24 Apr 2002 12:23:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 77956 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2002 12:23:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2002 12:23:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2002 12:23:21 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA22780 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 22:23:19 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 22:23:19 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: iaaas Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Just between you me and the gatepost ... I don't believe the concept of the iaaas has gone down the drain. It was something we voted on - on Bryan's old list - 18 months ago. It could mean: The International Alliance for the Advancement of AM Stereo. (sounds OK to me!) ... or it could mean: The International Alliance of Advocates for AM Stereo. (which is what Dennis tried to call it - later - without a vote) Whatever it is called ... it is us! Either interpretation is good. But as being involved in the original and only vote I suggest we should be called the former (it's simpler and says what we are about). The IAAAS ... The International Alliance for the Advancement of AM Stereo. ************************************************************ I realise that Dennis and KT & associates have had their problems in the past ... BUTT! can't we put this behind us ??? We - yes you and me! - are the list members of this Forum. Some of us voted for (or against) the iaaas. I voted for it - and I love it! There is no reason for it to die ... just because its founder says it has. I say it should live! (and credit must be given to Dennis for comimg up with the idea) But now - IT IS OURS! Because we are the IAAAS. This list has been pretty quiet lately. What do you others on this list think about the "iaaas"? When ever Dennis asked a question like this everyone went quiet. Let's not make the same mistakes. I am for the "iaaas". PLEASE join me here in our conquest. Ian IAAAS Network News Melbourne ps - I don't want to prompt anyone but Johhny Electron may be a good start - as he always has something good to say ... (Go Johnny) From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Apr 24 10:50:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 24 Apr 2002 17:50:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 22043 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2002 17:50:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2002 17:50:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2002 17:50:31 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-252.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.252]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g3OHnXdj007624 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 12:49:34 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002a01c1ebb8$a043eb00$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} iaaas Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 12:51:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I agree the concept is a good one, but I'm not in favor of reusing the IAAAS name as Dennis will get his undies in a bunch over it. If we need to think of another name for ourselves I'll bet we can, though it isn't a high priority with me now. We've got a tremendous load of talent on this list, and that counts more than any fancy name. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Davidson > I realise that Dennis and KT & associates have had their problems in the > past ... BUTT! can't we put this behind us ??? I voted for it - and I love > it! There is no reason for it to die ... just because its founder says it > has. > > I say it should live! (and credit must be given to Dennis for comimg up > with the idea) But now - IT IS OURS! Because we are the IAAAS. From dav259@csiro.au Wed Apr 24 15:44:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 24 Apr 2002 22:44:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 74800 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2002 22:44:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2002 22:44:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2002 22:44:48 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA15089 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 08:44:46 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 08:44:46 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} iaaas In-Reply-To: <002a01c1ebb8$a043eb00$d3a9fea9@me> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Scott Todd wrote: > I agree the concept is a good one, but I'm not in favor of reusing the IAAAS > name as Dennis will get his undies in a bunch over it. If we need to think > of another name for ourselves I'll bet we can, though it isn't a high > priority with me now. We've got a tremendous load of talent on this list, > and that counts more than any fancy name. Good on you Scott. Thanks for repying. This list has gone far too quiet for my liking the last few days. Has someone tripped over the cord?? Ian From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Apr 24 17:36:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 25 Apr 2002 00:36:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 55498 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2002 00:36:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2002 00:36:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2002 00:36:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2002 00:36:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 00:36:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: iaaas Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1111 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.147 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > This list has gone far too quiet for my liking the last few days. > Has someone tripped over the cord?? I think it is reflecting recent ionospheric propagation conditions... very quiet. Last night in particular, there was little difference on the AM band between night and day. Local stations came in without interference, and distant stations came in weak and spotty or not at all. This is caused by aurora conditions and electromagnetic storms in space, which is also known to cause the "northern lights". This disturbs the ionosphere in which AM and Shortwave signals rely on for long-distance reception at night. And in other recent events, in the Northern hemisphere, spring is finally arriving, so people are spending more time outside enjoying the warmer weather and less time inside on the computer. We're also sort of past all the hype about IBOC because it has been basically proven to be a failure. Even Clear Channel saying the use of IBOC would be a disaster. Now we just have to convince them, and others, that AM Stereo is the best alternative because it actually works! From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Apr 24 19:15:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 25 Apr 2002 02:15:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 51962 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2002 02:15:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2002 02:15:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2002 02:15:03 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.50.a788053 (4242) for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 22:14:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <50.a788053.29f8c093@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 22:14:43 EDT Subject: Re: iaaas To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp <<>> I agree with Scott on this. BTW folks..I'm now just getting back to where I can sit and read a few emails now. After having been gone on honeymoon the second week of April..I've had to do a bit of catching up on things here at work. Its been quiet here it looks..whats been going on and anything new with the old guy on the old list? Also I will be returng to upstate NY the second week of July { July 5th - July 13th} and I will be making a one day trip to Toronto Canada...so if anyone knows of any station from Herkimer NY to Toronto Canada that needs a quick AM Stereo repair..point the way and get me a contact person. Other than that..its nice to be home in NC but up north sure is nice. Almost back in the saddle.... 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If so congratulations! I notice the US version already has 39 responses. btw - today is ANZAC Day in Oz (and I guess NZ). It's probably our most respected public holiday where war veterans in every capital city march to their respective war memorials in honour of all those who gave their lives for us. It's a pity it's cold and rainy in Melbourne but there's still a very good turnout and the four hour march and ceremony at the Shrine of Remembrance (which Ben visited) is being televised locally by our ABC-TV. (btw Ben - probably no Friday Humour tommorow ...) From: A_Tek (no@email.com) Subject: Clear Channel says no to IBOC Newsgroups: aus.radio.broadcast Date: 2002-04-23 10:44:24 PST =========================================================== In-Band-On-Channel digital radio is a hot topic at the NAB 2002 convention, but Clear Channel SVP/Capital Management Bill Suffa isn't convinced it's a good idea -- R&R reports he told a Tuesday session that daytime-only IBOC, as endorsed by the NRSC recently, is the "death knell" for AM radio and that several financial issues are blocking IBOC's implementation in America. etc ... From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Apr 24 19:43:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 25 Apr 2002 02:43:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 39729 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2002 02:43:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2002 02:43:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2002 02:43:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2002 02:43:12 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 02:43:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Clear Channel says no to IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 241 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.147 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Did you post this on the Oz google board? If so congratulations! Nope, it wasn't me... just somebody who anonymously compiled IBOC-related messages from the alt.radio.broadcasting newsgroup and re-posted them on the Aussie newsgroup. From dav259@csiro.au Wed Apr 24 20:33:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 25 Apr 2002 03:33:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 27831 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2002 03:33:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2002 03:33:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2002 03:33:57 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25218 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:33:55 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:33:55 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: Digital Radio Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public posted on the Aussie google board ... From: dav259@minerals.csiro.au (Ian Davidson) Newsgroups: aus.radio.broadcast Subject: Digital Radio NNTP-Posting-Host: 138.194.4.59 Message-ID: <7a59734e.0204241927.2531abba@posting.google.com> "A_Tek" wrote in message news:... > =========================================================== > > In-Band-On-Channel digital radio is a hot topic at the NAB 2002 > convention, but Clear Channel SVP/Capital Management Bill Suffa isn't > convinced it's a good idea ... < see "Clear Channel says no to IBOC" for the full story > I believe that Clear Channel has shares in iBiquity - the company trying to make IBOC a goer. This is a huge nail in the IBOC coffin. It may happen in North America - though I doubt it - besides being too costly it simply doesn't deliver. If we get digital radio here it will most likely be the Eureka system that's got the nod in UK and Europe. But until that happens ... if it happens! ... AM stations should persist with C-quam AM stereo. It's cheap - sounds great - and it works! And listeners don't have to buy new receivers. I've heard that 2KY is doing digital trialling. Can anyone shed any light on how it's going? Ian - Melbourne From rjskadl@yahoo.com Wed Apr 24 22:29:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 25 Apr 2002 05:29:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 19097 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2002 05:29:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2002 05:29:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2002 05:29:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2002 05:29:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 05:29:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: iaaas Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1014 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl > We're also sort of past all the hype about IBOC because it has been > basically proven to be a failure. Even Clear Channel saying the use > of IBOC would be a disaster. Guess Again. Look at this USA Today Article. Read it and weep. We haven't seen the last of IBOC. http://www.app.com/app/e/cgi-bin/techwrapper.pl? URL=http://www.gannettonline.com/e/trends/15000657.html&AFFIL=app I think that IBOC is a good concept. I just don't like the fact that they are so gung-ho to push an inferior system upon us. If it really and truly could provide us with CD quality Stereo sound on AM and FM without degrading the analog signal, then I would be all for it. But this system is the pitts. Why can't they wait a few more years till they get it right before forcing this on us. But this is just typical of friggin Radio. The whole Damn industry is going to hell, and I am not sure if I even care anymore. None of the broadcasters care about the listeners anymore. All they want is money. From mwradio@gmx.net Thu Apr 25 07:16:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mwradio@gmx.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 25 Apr 2002 14:16:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 55660 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2002 14:16:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2002 14:16:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.dnbsi.com) (207.229.108.169) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2002 14:16:31 -0000 Received: from espositojm2 (0-1pool156-198.nas1.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net [65.128.156.198]) by smtp.dnbsi.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A50A7CE20 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 07:16:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00b701c1ec63$ca7ea760$06630780@espositojm2> To: References: Subject: Interesting article about Toronto Radio Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 10:16:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Joe Esposito" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=93604673 X-Yahoo-Profile: espositojm I just got this from another mailing list. Not really AM Stereo related but it does show how AM is viewed by the media and probably many radio listeners. http://www.nationalpost.com/search/story.html?f=/stories/20020424/15432.html &qs=radio FM radio's ugly stepsister Can Toronto's AM radio stations survive against their FM competitors? James Cowan National Post Spin your AM radio dial any weekday morning and you'll find two sports gabfests, a testosterone-laden talk show, a musical stroll down memory lane, a news program as reliable as Old Faithful and Iron Man Ted Woloshyn. Unlike the morning zoos on the FM dial, AM formats vary widely, and you'll probably either love or loathe any spot on the dial. AM radio is FM's ugly stepsister. Cursed with inferior sound quality and a broadcast signal that sometimes can't penetrate the city's concrete and steel, AM stations have struggled to prove themselves in the media marketplace: Toronto is home to a mere six commercial AM stations, fewer than half the number of FM competitors. Can it survive? MOJO 640 morning man Fred Patterson has this to say of AM naysayers: "Piss on them. In 10 years we'll all have digital radios and then it won't matter which band you're on." From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Apr 25 09:04:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 25 Apr 2002 16:04:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 24266 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2002 16:04:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2002 16:04:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11707.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2002 16:04:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20020425160440.83944.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.37.206] by web11707.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 09:04:40 PDT Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 09:04:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sorry I've been absent To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I've started my new job at WALE and a Spanish hostess wanted me to find a station in Providence for her to buy. She is willing to use stereo. On other news, WINY/1350-Putnam, Ct. dropped stereo for two weeks but the pilot was on again this morning at 11:56. I called WINY last week and they were very pleasant to me and said there were no plans to drop stereo. Today it came back on. 73, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Thu Apr 25 10:06:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 25 Apr 2002 17:06:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 79027 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2002 17:06:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2002 17:06:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2002 17:06:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2002 17:06:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:06:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Interesting article about Toronto Radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00b701c1ec63$ca7ea760$06630780@espositojm2> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1833 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.157.52.122 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 Wow! CHWO is No. 4 in the Toronto market! I can't believe that CHUM thinks The Team format is profitable. They are practically the lowest rated station in Toronto when they were the No. 4 station two years ago. What a big mistake! And how dare you turn off the STEREO!!!! Same with every station on that list (except for 590). Almost EVERY station on AM in the Toronto-Hamilton market was AM Stereo (minus 590, 740 and 860). MattH --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Joe Esposito" wrote: > I just got this from another mailing list. Not really AM Stereo related but > it does show how AM is viewed by the media and probably many radio > listeners. > > > http://www.nationalpost.com/search/story.html? f=/stories/20020424/15432.html > &qs=radio > > FM radio's ugly stepsister > Can Toronto's AM radio stations survive against their FM competitors? > > James Cowan > National Post > > Spin your AM radio dial any weekday morning and you'll find two sports > gabfests, a testosterone-laden talk show, a musical stroll down memory lane, > a news program as reliable as Old Faithful and Iron Man Ted Woloshyn. Unlike > the morning zoos on the FM dial, AM formats vary widely, and you'll probably > either love or loathe any spot on the dial. > > AM radio is FM's ugly stepsister. Cursed with inferior sound quality and a > broadcast signal that sometimes can't penetrate the city's concrete and > steel, AM stations have struggled to prove themselves in the media > marketplace: Toronto is home to a mere six commercial AM stations, fewer > than half the number of FM competitors. > > Can it survive? MOJO 640 morning man Fred Patterson has this to say of AM > naysayers: "Piss on them. In 10 years we'll all have digital radios and then > it won't matter which band you're on." > > From philipr@irac.pe.ca Thu Apr 25 12:35:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 25 Apr 2002 19:35:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 84250 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2002 19:35:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2002 19:35:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2002 19:35:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2002 19:34:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 19:34:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Sony SRF-42 has arrived! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1420 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking The Sony SRF-42 I got on ebay arrived today! Can't wait to go home and try it out! Of course it will have to share my attention with my Zenith Transoceanic H500 [circa 1952 or so] which also arrived today. In spite of a broken antenna wire thanks to shipping from Arizona to PEI, it works decently and sounds great! Lot's of top end on AM when the "radiorgan" is set right - good bass too. and, next to 0 hum. Once I solder that antenna wire, I'll really have fun. Of course, with recent dismal dx conditions, will have to wait to really evaluate these new toys. Imagine, my very first AM Stereo radio! I've been searching for an AM stereo radio since 1989 when I moved to Fredericton NB and listened to "CIHI Stereo 126" aka 1260 khz. Both Rat Shack and the Sony store in "Freddy Beach" gave me those vacant stares that display electronic ignorance so clearly. Of course, now CIHI is CKHJ 1260 with a C&W format and I'm pretty sure AM Stereo has been shut off there, as they are owned by Telemidia - oops, the CRTC just approved a takeover by Astral. Hmmm - if I was really rich...I'd want to own a radio station - my head would say FM, my heart would say AM - with CQUAM Stereo of course. Wouldn't I love to buy CHTN from Newcap, free it from the MBS shackles [e.g. a LMA between Newcap and MBS]and change "TN" to stereo. Good Time Oldies In Stereo - now that would be nice! Phil From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu Apr 25 14:31:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 25 Apr 2002 21:31:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 67958 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2002 21:31:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2002 21:31:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2002 21:31:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2002 21:31:31 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 21:31:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Clear Channel says no to IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1573 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.193 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., Ian Davidson wrote: > > In-Band-On-Channel digital radio is a hot topic at the NAB 2002 > convention, but Clear Channel SVP/Capital Management Bill Suffa isn't > convinced it's a good idea -- R&R reports he told a Tuesday session > that daytime-only IBOC, as endorsed by the NRSC recently, is the > "death knell" for AM radio and that several financial issues are > blocking IBOC's implementation in America. > > etc ... Now that clear channel is starting to see the true colors of IBOC on AM maybe they will reconsider C-QuAM at least for their music stations. Perhaps we should write a formal letter to them touting the benefits of going stereo and show them that analog AMS is not dead and there is demand for it. Whether this will do any good or not I don't know but we should express a more positive additude towards CC during this period while they rethink the IBOC issue. I think they would look at C-QuAM again if we could convince them that it would increase their profits for those stations with music and that there really is no viable alternative at this time. I've been away from the list for awhile also as I've been busy doing other things. I've also been tossing around some designs in my head for a pocket portable radio with the MC13024 and would like to have more discussion here on the topic. In looking for a case I ran across a plastic Sucrets box with a transparent window where the dial could be viewed. This would be OK to build a prototype in to test the circuit and maybe small quantities. JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Apr 25 16:40:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 25 Apr 2002 23:40:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 33496 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2002 23:40:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2002 23:40:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2002 23:40:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2002 23:40:37 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 23:40:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1490 WGCH Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 787 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.23 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics 1490 WGCH in Greenwich, CT, a small station dedicated to AM Stereo broadcasting, has been having some trouble recently, as reported to a Connecticut Radio message board: "WGCH had a main transmitter failure last week. The identical backup was commissioned, but it too experienced a failure (a highly unlikely, but serious, situation). The station was returned to the air using a borrowed transmitter. The intent is to either repair or replace the current transmitters." If anybody would like to help them out, or just to provide words of support that they can get up and running again with a high quality AM Stereo signal, they can be contacted at: WGCH1490@aol.com 1490 WGCH is co-owned with 800 WLAD and 850 WREF, two other excellent AM Stereo stations in Connecticut. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Apr 25 17:23:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 26 Apr 2002 00:23:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 96808 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2002 00:23:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2002 00:23:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14203.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.145) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2002 00:23:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20020426002329.59670.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.162.18.173] by web14203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:23:29 PDT Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:23:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WhazzzaUp? To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Anybody got any good AMS conversion news? We may be getting a Radio Ditzie in Northern Ohio, so I'll be trying to give them the sales pitch for AMS. Darwin - is it KDIS on 710 in Anaheim that's AMS? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From narkspud@hotmail.com Thu Apr 25 17:45:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 26 Apr 2002 00:45:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 49064 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2002 00:45:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2002 00:45:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.180) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2002 00:45:48 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:45:48 -0700 Received: from 128.200.250.116 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 00:45:48 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} WhazzzaUp? Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:45:48 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Apr 2002 00:45:48.0905 (UTC) FILETIME=[B55F5D90:01C1ECBB] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [128.200.250.116] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud I ain't Darwin, but it is indeed KDIS Los Angeles (710 kHz) that is in full 24-hour AM Stereo. They sound great! Unfortunately they've backed off their legendary eclectic play-almost-anything-zippy format for a more focused teenie-bopper-Britney-and-the-boy-bands playlist. But, hey. Music on a major market powerhouse in AM Stereo. Can't knock it. KABC (790 kHz), a talker, is the other Disney-Owned AM Stereo in LA. They also sound great, making full use of stereo in their commercials and music. narkspud >From: Johnny Electron >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" >Subject: {AMSF} WhazzzaUp? >Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:23:29 -0700 (PDT) > >Anybody got any good AMS conversion news? >We may be getting a Radio Ditzie in Northern Ohio, so I'll be trying >to give them the sales pitch for AMS. >Darwin - is it KDIS on 710 in Anaheim that's AMS? > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more >http://games.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Apr 25 18:00:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 26 Apr 2002 01:00:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 26058 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2002 01:00:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2002 01:00:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2002 01:00:15 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-185.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.185]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g3Q0xEdj014724 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 19:59:16 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002e01c1ecbd$d55e84c0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020426002329.59670.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} WhazzzaUp? Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 20:00:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I'm not Darwin, but that is the one. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Johnny Electron > Darwin - is it KDIS on 710 in Anaheim that's AMS? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Apr 25 20:32:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 26 Apr 2002 03:32:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 70638 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2002 03:32:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2002 03:32:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2002 03:32:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2002 03:32:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 03:32:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Station swap Down Under Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 314 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.23 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I have word that Aussie AM Stereo station 3TR on 1242 kHz in Sale, Victoria has been replaced with a new station, 3GV. Anybody within range to let us know if 3GV is still in Stereo or not, and what the new format is? The message I got talked about 3GV's "first song" so I assume it is still a music format. From n0uiheric@aol.com Thu Apr 25 20:55:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 26 Apr 2002 03:55:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 53463 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2002 03:55:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2002 03:55:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r03.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.99) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2002 03:55:57 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.115.10963fab (4223) for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 23:55:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <115.10963fab.29fa29c4@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 23:55:48 EDT Subject: The St. Louis Take To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih At one time, St. Louis had as many as SEVEN radio stations broadcasting all or part of it's programming in AM Stereo. Here's the lowdown: 550 KTRS St. Louis, MO-Stopped sending seperation when The Dorsey Group acquired the station from Infinity Broadcasting in 1997. The stereo pilot was shut off for good in February 2001. 590 KFNS Wood River, IL-Has not broadcast in AM Stereo since it had the rights to the St. Louis Rams football games in the 1997 season. KFNS and then-sister station KSD 93.7 went to seperate owners: KFNS was sold to Missouri Sports Radio LLC of St. Louis, while KSD went to Communist Channel Communications. (Yes, Clear Channel is really COMMUNIST!) Missouri Sports Radio also owns KFNS-FM 100.7, which is transmitting a Stereo pilot tone without seperation; they have just acquired KRFT 1190 De Soto, MO. 630 KJSL St. Louis, MO-Finally went AM Stereo in 1994 after testing it's AM Stereo pilot tone off and on since the station's brief run with an Oldies/CHR mix as KXOK in 1987-88. The station is still broadcasting in AM Stereo today; it's Christian talk format is augmented by Contemporary Christian music in morning drive. 690 KSTL East St. Louis, IL-The station went Stereo in 1995. Long an ethnic-formatted 1 kW daytimer licensed to St. Louis, MO, Crawford acquired the station about the same time they acquired the old KXOK (AM). The station flipped to Urban Gospel in 1994. Since 1995, they have also been broadcasting with 18 watts at night in glorious AM Stereo; they get out quite well for that power level. In 1996, the station changed it's city of license to East St. Louis, IL. 1010 KXEN Festus, MO-Their nighttime transmitter is the only one configured for AM Stereo. They began broadcasting 500 watts at night in AM Stereo in December 1998, first with a Spanish-language AC format. In 2001, the station switched it's nighttime format to English-language Contemporary Christian. The Harris MW-50 is not wired for Stereo (the transmitter was bought to replace a 1961-vintage RCA Ampliphase transmitter), but can be converted to transmit Stereo. 1120 KMOX St. Louis, MO-Stereo was a casualty of Infinity Broadcasting's appetite for cutting costs. The station went Stereo in 1988; it's first Stereo offering was the Cardinals home games. Even though they still carry "I Love Jazz" with Don Wolff on Saturday nights, the station has been mono since April 2000. Can you say "Fire Karen Carroll and Paul Grundhauser"? 1490 WESL East St. Louis, IL-Still transmitting in Stereo after eighteen years; although the music is on carts purchased from Communist Channel's KATZ 1600. Their Sunday Gospel programming is still in Stereo, though. In this market, I can see several potential stations for Stereo conversion, including the two AMs that Vern Jackson is in charge of, WEW 770 and KSLG 1380 (which broadcast mostly music formats). WRTH 1430 is another potential Stereo candidate; I don't know how Bonneville's higher-ups in Salt Lake City would react, though. KIRL 1460 would be another one, provided ownership changes. KFUO 850 and WCBW 880 are major question marks. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Apr 25 22:57:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 26 Apr 2002 05:57:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 80458 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2002 05:57:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2002 05:57:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2002 05:57:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2002 05:57:27 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 05:57:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: The new 3GV in AM Stereo, and one station that should be Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2811 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.23 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Good news.... I have confirmation that the new 3GV on 1242 kHz in Sale, Victoria, Australia, is indeed broadcasting in AM Stereo, just like the station 3TR on this frequency that they replaced. But right here in New Jersey, USA, there is a station that could be transmitting in AM Stereo, but isn't... 1170 WWTR in Bridgewater, NJ. They have a Broadcast Electronics AM-500 transmitter with built-in C-Quam exciter, an Optimod 9100 AM Stereo audio processor, and a Stereo-capable T1 studio-to-transmitter link. But, they leave it all in Mono, because they think with only 243 watts into a folded unipole antenna, using Stereo would hurt their signal too much. Of course it wouldn't, especially since they are non-directional and are a daytime-only station so nighttime reception conditions don't apply. Also, 1170 WWTR is co-owned with and simulcasts 1250 WMTR in Morristown, NJ, which did broadcast in Stereo up until early 1999, and presumably is also still Stereo-ready. But, they best I've gotten out of them so far is "Sorry, we have no interest in AM Stereo." That's it -- a one-sentence reply, with no explanation. If you think you can do any better, you can give them a shot at: http://www.wmtram.com/ They have a "Contact Us" e-mail form on the web site, but it just sends your message to cedwards@wmtr-wdha.com so you can send an e-mail to Chris Edwards at that address directly. WMTR and WWTR are owned by Greater Media, the company that runs two excellent AM Stereo stations, the famous 1450 WCTC in New Brunswick, NJ and also 950 WPEN in Philadelphia (which even promotes their Stereo on the air). 1170 WWTR is interesting in that the station is literally set up in a trailer next to the tower. It's just the T1 line with its audio output connected directly to the Optimod processor, and the output of that directly connected to the transmitter. No additional audio processing equipment is used, not even any treble pre-emphasis! They just run flat audio into the transmitter, which sounds dull on a regular AM radio, but really sounds great on a wide-bandwidth receiver. It's easily the cleanest, crispest mono AM I've ever heard within the 10 kHz NRSC limit. It sure sounds to me like they have all this great Stereo-capable equipment, but don't have the time or resources to get it set up and running well in Stereo, so they just patched it together and got it working in mono with the minimum amount of effort. So, I think they just need some engineering work to get the Stereo set up and working at its full potential (and the B.E. exciter plus Optimod 9100 is supposed to be a GREAT combo for AM Stereo). Any volunteers? I live only about 6 miles away from WWTR's transmitter, but I have absolutely no broadcast engineering experience! From dav259@csiro.au Fri Apr 26 02:07:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 26 Apr 2002 09:07:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 40636 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2002 09:07:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2002 09:07:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2002 09:07:23 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA28145 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 19:07:21 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 19:07:21 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Station swap Down Under In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, kevtronics wrote: > I have word that Aussie AM Stereo station 3TR on 1242 kHz in Sale, > Victoria has been replaced with a new station, 3GV. Anybody within > range to let us know if 3GV is still in Stereo or not, and what the > new format is? The message I got talked about 3GV's "first song" so I > assume it is still a music format. Kevin - Please replace 1242 3TR on the station listings to 1242 3GV. Jon Vertigan, the station manager, contacted me about six months ago when I was updating Oz's AMS listings and said please alter the slogan to "Gippsland and The Valley's Best Music" - hence why they have chosen to call it 3GV. The Ace Radio Network recently got a second (an FM) licence in accordance with the maximum "two station" rule (in any market). Its web site is a bit outdated but says: "3TR broadcasts in AM Stereo 24 hours a day and was established in September 1930. 3TR is part of the ACE Radio Network which also includes 3WM, 3HA, 3CS, 3SH, 3YB, and MixxFM stations in Horsham, Swan Hill and Colac." As it's a very successful station they decided the TR call letters should go to the new FM station - and 1242 AM stereo will be 3GV - meaning Gippsland and the (Latrobe) Valley. 3GV will be tweaked more to golden oldies and 3TR-FM will be more contemporary/mix. All other Ace AM stations are mono. :( Ian From dav259@csiro.au Fri Apr 26 02:14:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 26 Apr 2002 09:14:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 40009 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2002 09:14:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2002 09:14:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2002 09:14:13 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA28334 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 19:14:11 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 19:14:11 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: [greylinedx] 3GV now on 1242 AM (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public More on 3GV ... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 18:59:11 +1200 From: Ragusa To: greylinedx@radiodx.com Subject: [greylinedx] 3GV now on 1242 AM According to AMT today, 3TR Sale left 1242 AM at 0200 UTC on April 26 for 99.5/99.9 FM. New station on 1242 is 3GV (Gippsland Valley) with Greatest Hits, News & Talk format. David Ricquish Talkback NZDXT / www.radiodx.com From dav259@csiro.au Fri Apr 26 02:52:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 26 Apr 2002 09:52:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 30191 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2002 09:52:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2002 09:52:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2002 09:52:46 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA29709 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 19:52:44 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 19:52:44 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: "Radio blast on reforms" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public The federal Labor Govt in Oz in the mid-eightees rewrote the Broadcasting Services Act which essentially says - nobody can own more than two radio stations in any market - nobody can own a combo of radio / TV / newspapers in any market. The first was very popular with radio owners - but naturally encouraged economies of scale and networking. But it has helped some regional stations like 3TR in being issued with a second licence. Arguably the people in Gippland will get a better service having two stations instead of one (at least from Sale, Victoria). But the second has really upset the media moguls like "your" Rupert Murdoch and our Kerry Packer (Oz's richest man - who owns the top commercial TV network - the majority of the country's successful magazines - plus Melbourne's and Sydney's casinos). Naturally KP wants to own the other 30% of newspapers not owned by your Rupert. And naturally Rupert wants to own a TV network (like he used to - prior to buying out 70% of Aussie newspapers. Both wouldn't mind having two radio networks as well! What our "free" press occasionally tells us is that we have the most concentrated media ownership in the free world. However the current federal Liberal (read capitalist / Conservative / heartless) govt is planning to remove the cross-media ownership provisions saying that a diversity of views would come from the journalists/reporters - don't worry about who owns them. Yeah - sure ... The govt is running scared of Rupert and Kerry and would seemingly do anything so that they do get a good report at election time. Radio 2UE in Sydney and 3AW Melbourne play a huge part in swinging elections. Why not give them to Rupert and Kerry? And some influential newspapers to Kerry. And a TV network to Rupert. Let's just hope that the majority Labor, Democrats, and Greens in our Senate defeat this vulgar legislation. Read the words of our Communications Minister carefully. He says this will make our existing owners "become more competitive". As if!!! From "The Age" today ... ================== Independent regional radio stations have blasted proposed media ownership reforms, claiming they would seriously damage the interests of consumers outside cities. The owners of 49 regional commercial radio stations have lodged a submission to the Senate's inquiry into the legislation, creating a rare instance of media opposition to the reforms. "Why is it necessary to embark on this dubious legislative experiment which is prone to failure (and would probably be irreversible) in order to achieve a result which on the most optimistic scenario will not produce the slightest improvement over the existing situation?" the Australian Association of Independent Regional Radio Broadcasters asked. The legislation would relax cross-media rules, allowing ownership of television stations, radio stations and newspapers in the same market. Communications Minister Richard Alston has argued, backed by major media companies including Fairfax, owner of The Age, that Australian media companies would flourish and become more competitive. The broadcasters group comprises 15 owners, including Victorian broadcasters Ace, Grant and North-East. ================== *nod* :-/ anyhoo It's enough to make you close down. Ian IAAAS Network News -Melbourne- From cboone@earthlink.net Fri Apr 26 07:51:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cboone@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 26 Apr 2002 14:51:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 85366 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2002 14:51:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2002 14:51:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.18) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2002 14:51:13 -0000 Received: from user-0ccshog.cable.mindspring.com ([24.206.71.16] helo=earthlink.net) by goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 171744-0001WZ-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 07:51:13 -0700 Message-ID: <3CC96ECD.BEC44ADE@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:14:21 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} The St. Louis Take References: <115.10963fab.29fa29c4@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: cboone@earthlink.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173263 n0uiheric@aol.com wrote: > Missouri Sports > Radio also owns KFNS-FM 100.7, which is transmitting a Stereo pilot tone > without seperation; they have just acquired KRFT 1190 De Soto, MO. IF this is true, they are in violation of Part 73...they may NOT xmit a stereo pilot unless they are actually transmitting stereo...MONO stations may not xmit a pilot tone...(which is stupid anyway as they get 20db better coverage without the stereo pilot on) Chris From amfmdx@fastq.com Fri Apr 26 08:16:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 26 Apr 2002 15:16:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 56246 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2002 15:16:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2002 15:16:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2002 15:16:22 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d131-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.163]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g3QFGLn80722 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 08:16:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <001601c1ed35$1b476d40$a3f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Clear Channel says no to IBOC Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 08:14:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > > that daytime-only IBOC, as endorsed by the NRSC recently, is the > > "death knell" for AM radio and that several financial issues are > > blocking IBOC's implementation in America. > > Now that clear channel is starting to see the true colors of IBOC > on AM maybe they will reconsider C-QuAM at least for their music > stations. JS, I have to say, we should also be worrying that MW radio exists at all. All the things I read say that its about to be abandoned as much as possible in a few years. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Apr 26 08:20:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 26 Apr 2002 15:20:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 89108 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2002 15:20:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2002 15:20:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.56) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2002 15:20:07 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 08:20:07 -0700 Received: from 199.173.225.21 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:20:07 GMT To: amstereo@bellsouth.net Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [Dennis' AM Stereo List] - Re: Now with Bill Moyers~ClearChannel Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:20:07 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Apr 2002 15:20:07.0519 (UTC) FILETIME=[D9249EF0:01C1ED35] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [199.173.225.21] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Thanks Dave for mentioning the time of the program. I forgot to mention the time; here in the Tampa Bay market; Now with Bill Moyers is on at 10pm ; the PBS station here that air "Now"(WEDU - channel 3) airs a locally produced current affairs protram at 9pm; Channels 42 out of WPB and channel 2 out of Miami will air Now at 9pm; so I assume most PBS stations will air at 9, but check your local listings; I hope to tape it, there are about three programs on at the same time this evening that I want to watch........ the May rating sweeps are on! donn st petersburg ----Original Message Follows---- From: "David Mitchell" Reply-To: amstereo@bellsouth.net To: Dennis' AM Stereo List Subject: [Dennis' AM Stereo List] - Re: Now with Bill Moyers Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:05:02 -0400 Donn, This comes on tonight at 10:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time on Georgia Public Television. In case anyone doesn't get it, misses it or wants a copy of it, I will record it and put on the FTP server for download. If you have a dialup connection and want a copy of it, I will gladly be able to mail you a copy of it on DVD or VHS. Dave In GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donn Tillman" To: Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 9:05 PM Subject: [Dennis' AM Stereo List] - Now with Bill Moyers > > > An very interesting radio program will air tomorrow (Friday 26 April) on > PBS, it's "Now with Bill Moyers:......"a look at the future of radio, > including how some stations seem to be on autopilot and play the same songs > over and over" > > This sounds as though this is the "Now with Bill Moyers" special radio guru > Bob Betcher mentioned last week in one of his radio columns. > > If it is the same program, quite a bit of time will be dedicated to showing > how ClearChannel (mis)manages it's many stations. > > donn > st petersburg,fl usa > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Apr 26 18:08:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 27 Apr 2002 01:08:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 46612 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2002 01:08:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2002 01:08:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2002 01:08:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2002 01:08:25 -0000 Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 01:08:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New IBOC test station Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 786 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.73.21 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Ibiquity Digital has filed an Construction Permit with the FCC to operate a 50-watt test station for IBOC Digital AM on 1700 kHz at the Lucent offices in my town -- Warren, NJ. Lucent has previously had licenses for both AM and FM "experimental" stations at this location, obvious to test IBOC, although I have never managed to actually hear these on the air. Obviously they are not going to publish their broadcast schedule, so the test transmissions on 1700 kHz will likely be sporadic. If/when this transmitter gets on the air (again), I shall see if I ever hear anything from it. The 1700 kHz transmitter with by 50 watts "night & day" (according to the FCC record) so I suppose they will be using it to try to improve the performance of IBOC in nighttime conditions. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Apr 26 19:27:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 27 Apr 2002 02:27:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 2298 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2002 02:27:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2002 02:27:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14205.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.151) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2002 02:27:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20020427022750.9363.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.162.18.173] by web14205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 19:27:50 PDT Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 19:27:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Out of the AMS loop a little bit To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Gentlemen, and any ladies out there, Sorry that I've been a little out of the AMS loop lately as I've been studying my brains out for my amateur license updgrade test this Saturday, so AMS is back on the 'front burner' after that. Kevin: what makes you think that they (broadcasters) will dump all MW broadcasting as long as it brings them income, and they don't have to spend 10 cents on their equipment? Or maybe, if it breaks, then they'll let their stations go dark? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Apr 26 20:06:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 27 Apr 2002 03:06:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 26082 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2002 03:06:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2002 03:06:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2002 03:06:55 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-143.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.143]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g3R35rdj020507 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 22:05:54 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <005801c1ed98$b3caaa60$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} New IBOC test station Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 22:07:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I suppose you could take an old receiver and modify it so that a change in the AVC voltage could trigger a relay to alert you to the presence of a carrier. I've got an old Conelrad receiver that triggers a light if a carrier drops, but I don't think it extinguishes if the carrier returns. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics > The 1700 kHz transmitter with by 50 watts "night & day" (according to > the FCC record) so I suppose they will be using it to try to improve > the performance of IBOC in nighttime conditions. > From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Apr 26 20:07:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 27 Apr 2002 03:07:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 27967 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2002 03:07:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2002 03:07:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11701.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2002 03:07:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20020427030751.90537.qmail@web11701.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.37.206] by web11701.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 20:07:51 PDT Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 20:07:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1490 WGCH To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I wish i could, but I have no $. Try WFOY/1240-St. Aug., Fl. at (904) 829-3416. They have two old tube XMTRs.. One at 1kW, the other at 250W. 73, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Apr 26 20:13:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 27 Apr 2002 03:13:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 19638 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2002 03:13:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2002 03:13:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2002 03:13:04 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-143.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.143]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g3R3C1dj021164 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 22:12:02 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <008401c1ed99$8f4c3540$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020427030751.90537.qmail@web11701.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1490 WGCH Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 22:13:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I'd get those myself if they weren't so blinking far away. Maybe post somewhere so some hams could acquire them. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Rogers To: Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 10:07 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1490 WGCH > I wish i could, but I have no $. Try WFOY/1240-St. > Aug., Fl. at (904) 829-3416. They have two old tube > XMTRs.. One at 1kW, the other at 250W. > > 73, > Jay,N1WVQ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness > http://health.yahoo.com > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Apr 26 22:02:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 27 Apr 2002 05:02:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 35958 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2002 05:02:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2002 05:02:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11705.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2002 05:02:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20020427050211.67182.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.37.206] by web11705.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 22:02:11 PDT Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 22:02:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1490 WGCH To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <008401c1ed99$8f4c3540$d3a9fea9@me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio My old boss may just sell them to stations in the Carribbean (sp.?), Central America or South America. Just out of curiosity, does anyone know how to start a radio station in Belize? 73, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sat Apr 27 01:37:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19258 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2002 08:37:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2002 08:37:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2002 08:37:31 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2002 08:37:31 -0000 Date: 27 Apr 2002 08:37:31 -0000 Message-ID: <1019896651.890.38417.w4@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /Newpartslist.doc Uploaded by : amstereoguy2001 Description : Chris's Radio parts list You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/Newpartslist.doc To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, amstereoguy2001 From dav259@csiro.au Sat Apr 27 02:12:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 27 Apr 2002 09:12:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 16152 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2002 09:12:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2002 09:12:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2002 09:12:11 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA18576 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:12:09 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:12:09 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: Let's take over 3AK/3MP Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Some of you keep talking about buying a radio station. Well here's your big chance. I've never seen a CEO before trying to sell shares in his radio stations but our Jeff Chatfield is really Action-man. You've got to like his style. (I hope the wheels aren't falling off.) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 16:49:14 +0800 From: Jeff Chatfield Reply-To: avation@earthlink.net To: 3AK.Listeners@demon.advent.com.sg Cc: dstogdale@terrainsecurities.com Subject: DCL - radio 3AK Dear Listener, Some of you have asked 3AK how to purchase DCL shares on the stock market. We are not investment advisers therefore cannot give you any advice whatsoever. However, we do advise that one of our contributors, Mr David Stogdale does have a license and provides this service. Please feel free to contact him at any time: David Stogdale Investment Adviser Terrain Securities Work: 03 9615 3555 Fax: 03 9615 3599 E-Mail: dstogdale@terrainsecurities.com Regards Jeff Chatfield Managing Director Data & Commerce Ltd *********************** From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Apr 27 12:38:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 27 Apr 2002 19:38:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 15335 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2002 19:38:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2002 19:38:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2002 19:38:14 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-227.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.227]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g3RJbBdj024225 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 14:37:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004701c1ee23$311350a0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <1019896651.890.38417.w4@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 14:39:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Any chance this could be reformatted so it will print out on standard 8.5x11 paper? When will this kit be available? Is this being designed to pitch to the Ramsey people? ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/Newpartslist.doc From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Apr 27 14:12:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 27 Apr 2002 21:12:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 73674 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2002 21:12:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2002 21:12:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2002 21:12:01 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.29]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.224) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 17:12:14 -0400 Message-ID: <000701c1ee30$5263d600$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <1019896651.890.38417.w4@yahoogroups.com> <004701c1ee23$311350a0$d3a9fea9@me> Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 17:13:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Scott, I do not know how to reformat. I did this on wordpad, and had to change it to a text file, as no one could have opened it. As for the kits, they can be available anytime I have enough people interested to make one. I have to buy the small passive components in bulk, which means more than 5 or 6 people have to be interested. Something that has never happened. If there ever IS any interest, then the kits will be about $40.00 each. All i have right now are the active parts (Board, IC's, and the RF front end parts) All of the SMD parts have to be purchased when and if the need ever arises. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd > Any chance this could be reformatted so it will print out on standard 8.5x11 > paper? When will this kit be available? Is this being designed to pitch to > the Ramsey people? > > ST From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Apr 27 21:57:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 28 Apr 2002 04:57:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 75363 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2002 04:57:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2002 04:57:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2002 04:57:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2002 04:57:55 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 04:57:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM still favored by UK radio listeners Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 347 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.152 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Here is a snap-shot of BBC Radio listenership figures for the late Saturday night time slot: Radio 1 (FM pop/rock/rap): 90,000 Radio 2 (FM light music): 80,000 Radio 3 (FM classical/cultural): 15,000 Radio 4 (AM talk/entertainment): 125,000 Unfortunately I don't have the figure for Radio 5, which is the BBC's AM-band News/Sports format. From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sun Apr 28 06:31:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 28 Apr 2002 13:31:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 71622 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2002 13:31:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2002 13:31:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2002 13:31:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2002 13:31:49 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 13:31:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: SRF-42 equals crap Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 800 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.23.151 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio I actually found a couple of Radio Shacks that had the SRF-42 so I picked up a couple (one for myself, one for a friend). I can honestly say it is the WORST AM radio I have ever used. The first one seemed to overload in high RF fields and tuning even strong NYC 50kw stations from Long Island seemed like a chore. The other one was just as bad! So much for listening to stereo WICC and WREF... the damn thing can't get them on the NORTH SHORE OF LONG ISLAND (while my $6 narrowband Radio Shack walkman picks them up with no problem all over). I had picked up an SRF-42 four years ago while it was still in production. I returned it thinking it was defective and never bothered to find another. I guess these two "radios", and that one were all performing to spec. What garbage! From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun Apr 28 09:27:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 28 Apr 2002 16:27:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 20218 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2002 16:27:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2002 16:27:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2002 16:27:41 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d206-osel.phx.fastq.com [209.63.214.193]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g3SGRdn25782 for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 09:27:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <003001c1eed0$33c8f220$c1d63fd1@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: SRF-42 has been ok for me... Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 09:17:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > I can honestly say it is the WORST AM radio I have ever used. The > first one seemed to overload in high RF fields and tuning even strong > NYC 50kw stations from Long Island seemed like a chore. Strange that..... I haven't found this to be the best radio I have ever used, but I haven't found them to be bad either. I live within 2 miles of a 50 kW station and a 5 kW station. I have every AM station in Phoenix with their signals pointed right at me with extremely high ERPs and I have never had an overload problem. In fact, almost every radio I own gets an image of the 50 kW station at 680 kHz but not the SRF-42. I will not say that its the best radio ever made or anything near that, but I will say that the ones I have owned, are good for walkman radios. I can say that its less prone to overload than my SRF-A1 and I believe thats a better radio than the SRF-42. I am not doubting you have problems with your SRF-42's but I have not experienced the same issues you have. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Apr 28 12:00:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 28 Apr 2002 19:00:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 7585 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2002 19:00:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2002 19:00:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2002 19:00:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2002 19:00:53 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 19:00:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: SRF-42 equals crap Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1048 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.162 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I can honestly say it is the WORST AM radio I have ever used. Like most Sony products of the 1990s to present, the SRF-42 suffered from horrible quality control at the factory. It is inherently a good design, but I've heard of some not working properly, right out of the box. However, the ones that were made correctly seem to work very well. You have to remember that the inventory of SRF-42's that Radio Shack were all leftovers. Sony had stopped production, and Radio Shack bought all the SRF-42's they had left. If Sony were selling them themselves, they probably would have weeded out the poorly made units a little more carefully. As for overloading in high RF fields, I have 710 WOR beaming out approximately 100,000 watts in my direction from their directional antenna, and yet my SRF-42 does not overload on their signal or on the frequencies near it. My SRF-42 has also DXed AM Stereo signals up to 1,000 miles away (even without a tuned loop antenna, a.k.a. Select-A-Tenna), so its sensitivity is not bad either. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Apr 28 12:13:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 28 Apr 2002 19:13:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 37723 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2002 19:13:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2002 19:13:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11701.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2002 19:13:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20020428191344.55917.qmail@web11701.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.15.42.2] by web11701.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 12:13:44 PDT Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 12:13:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM still favored by UK radio listeners To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio That's all BBC on a Saturday night. Where are the overall figures? Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Apr 28 12:17:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 28 Apr 2002 19:17:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 73240 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2002 19:17:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2002 19:17:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2002 19:17:45 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.87]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.224) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 15:18:02 -0400 Message-ID: <002501c1eee9$85c5adc0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SRF-42 equals crap Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 15:18:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I totally agree with Sony's QC... thee doesn't seem to BE any... and it is worse today than ever. When I discovered the SRF42's in January 1994, I bought 10 of them from "nobody beats the Wiz" here in NY. Right out of the box, TWO were killer good, 5 were average kiddie radio performers, and three didn't work at all, due to manufacturing mistakes. I tuned up all of them using the Sencore SG80, and was able to obtain good performance on all but 2- those 2 never were good, but did at least work. So anyway, you *can* get a good one..... or at least tune it up. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics From narkspud@hotmail.com Sun Apr 28 16:12:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 28 Apr 2002 23:12:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 18515 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2002 23:12:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2002 23:12:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.108) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2002 23:12:04 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 16:12:04 -0700 Received: from 67.224.17.41 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 23:12:04 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SRF-42 equals crap Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 16:12:04 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Apr 2002 23:12:04.0720 (UTC) FILETIME=[1C561700:01C1EF0A] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.224.17.41] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud This explains a lot. I picked up one of those twerps from Radio Shack, and it ended up in my next yard sale. (I wasn't going to say anything.) Only picked up strong locals, and sounded horrid (annoying rumbling noise on all the AM stations). Must've been one of the turkeys. narkspud >From: "kevtronics" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Re: SRF-42 equals crap >Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 19:00:50 -0000 > > > I can honestly say it is the WORST AM radio I have ever used. > >Like most Sony products of the 1990s to present, the SRF-42 suffered >from horrible quality control at the factory. It is inherently a good >design, but I've heard of some not working properly, right out of the >box. However, the ones that were made correctly seem to work very >well. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Apr 28 16:50:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 28 Apr 2002 23:50:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 59046 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2002 23:50:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2002 23:50:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14208.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2002 23:50:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20020428235012.91679.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.162.18.173] by web14208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 16:50:12 PDT Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 16:50:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: AMS Standard on Transmitters? To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Awhile back I listed them, but I can't find my list of what new MW/AM transmitters come STANDARD with C-Quam AM Stereo at no additional cost, and only require the engineer to "turn the switch on"? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Apr 28 16:53:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 28 Apr 2002 23:53:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 5570 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2002 23:53:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2002 23:53:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14202.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.144) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2002 23:53:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20020428235315.23715.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.162.18.173] by web14202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 16:53:15 PDT Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 16:53:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: New AMS chip producer question To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I've contacted a company about producing the AM Stereo chips "abandoned by Motorola" (or ON Semiconductor), and the manufacturer had the following question: "Hi John, Thank you for your suggestion. In your opinion what is the world-wide volume for such devices, and who are the major users? Sincerely," Does anybody have a suggested answer I can relay to them> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Apr 28 16:58:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 28 Apr 2002 23:58:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 21365 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2002 23:58:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2002 23:58:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2002 23:58:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20020428235853.49974.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.162.18.173] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 16:58:53 PDT Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 16:58:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Another Chip manufactuer question To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Gentleman: recommendations on how to answer this guy?: "I work in the Low-Frequency RF group at xxxxx. Your request for second-sourcing the Motorola AM Radio IC was sent to my attention and I would like to learn more about this opportunity. Can you give me a call or let me know your number so that I can call you? I need to understand the lifetime of such a product and why you are still interested in it. From what I understand, most radios are now a single chip from either Motorola or Philips and demand for these discrete parts has pretty much subsided. We have not investigated this thoroughly, but perhaps a phone conversation with you will educate me. Let me know how to get in touch with you and when a good time to call would be." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From rjskadl@yahoo.com Sun Apr 28 17:17:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Apr 2002 00:17:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 27220 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2002 00:17:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2002 00:17:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2002 00:17:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2002 00:17:35 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 00:17:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: SRF-42 equals crap Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1564 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl >>Like most Sony products of the 1990s to present, the SRF-42 suffered from horrible quality control at the factory.<< This is an absolute F'ing disgrace. Sony should hang their heads in shame over the absolute Crap (and worse) they have been making the last few years. I am not only talking about radios either. Any old Sony product is good. But new Sony junk, forget it. I will not buy anything new from Sony untill they clean up their QC (fat chance of that happening). Its no wonder they couldn't sell the SRF-42 and ended up liquidating them to Radio Shack. It is really a shame to see what lousy quality they have in their manufacturing lately. It is a disgrace to the Sony name. Their name has got to be the only thing that keeps them going, but eventually the mindless consumers will wake up and realize that new Sony products = Crap. Our Cable company around here (the same deusche bags that won't carry the Yes Network) are trying to push this Digital Cable Crap on us. They had Sony manufacture the digital cable boxes. Guess what? They have nothing but problems because the Digital Cable boxes made by Good ol' F'n Sony work like Crap to put it mildly. But it serves them jerks at Cablevision right. This is an example of how we the "consumers" suffer when quality takes a back seat to PROFITS. Unfortunately in the end, the Company suffers because people eventually choose to use products from other companies. So to Sony I say the following: WAKE THE HELL UP ALREADY and at least bump up the QC a little. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sun Apr 28 18:03:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Apr 2002 01:03:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 55809 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2002 01:03:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2002 01:03:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2002 01:03:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2002 01:03:25 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 01:03:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: SRF-42 equals crap Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 459 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.126 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > > As for overloading in high RF fields, I have 710 WOR beaming out > approximately 100,000 watts in my direction from their directional > antenna, and yet my SRF-42 does not overload on their signal or on the I didn't think that any station in the U.S. was allowed to use more than 50KW. Do they have a grandfathered license from before the time the FCC started regulating power? JSG From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sun Apr 28 18:17:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Apr 2002 01:17:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 10814 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2002 01:17:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2002 01:17:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2002 01:17:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2002 01:17:29 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 01:17:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: SRF-42 equals crap Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002501c1eee9$85c5adc0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 351 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.126 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Christopher Cuff" wrote: > I totally agree with Sony's QC... there doesn't seem to BE any... > and it is worse today than ever. Does this apply to their camcorders? I have a DCR-TRV103 Digital8 and haven't had any problems yet other than dirty heads. Is this a reliable unit or do they have problems? JSG  From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Apr 28 18:21:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Apr 2002 01:21:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 84081 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2002 01:21:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2002 01:21:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.149) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2002 01:21:32 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 18:21:32 -0700 Received: from 209.240.222.130 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 01:21:31 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SRF-42 equals crap Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 01:21:31 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Apr 2002 01:21:32.0157 (UTC) FILETIME=[3216EAD0:01C1EF1C] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.222.130] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 from the radio-locator web-site: WOR-AM Technical Info: Status Licensed AM StationArea of Coverage View CoverageClass A Hours of Operation Unlimited Antenna Mode Directional - 1 PatternTransmitter Power 50,000 WattsAntenna Pattern Augmented Number of Towers 3Transmitter Location 40° 47' 30" N.,  74° 5' 38" W. Last FCC Update December 28 1998 ----Original Message Follows---- From: "jsgilst" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: SRF-42 equals crap Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 01:03:24 -0000 --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > > As for overloading in high RF fields, I have 710 WOR beaming out > approximately 100,000 watts in my direction from their directional > antenna, and yet my SRF-42 does not overload on their signal or on the >I didn't think that any station in the U.S. was allowed to use more than 50KW. Do they have a grandfathered license from before the time the FCC started regulating power? >JSG _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun Apr 28 18:21:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Apr 2002 01:21:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 95772 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2002 01:21:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2002 01:21:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2002 01:21:42 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d138-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.170]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g3T1Lfn31663 for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 18:21:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <003101c1ef1a$22432b20$aaf9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SRF-42 equals crap Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 18:06:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla JSG, The ERP and the power allotment are two different animals. You can get a massive ERP if you are in the directional of the antenna many times in excess of the power allotment. The largest power allotment given a station was 500kW which was at WLW in the 1930s. I dread to think what the ERP was. Kevin Mesa, Arizona ----- Original Message ----- From: "jsgilst" To: Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 6:03 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: SRF-42 equals crap > --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > > > > > As for overloading in high RF fields, I have 710 WOR beaming out > > approximately 100,000 watts in my direction from their directional > > antenna, and yet my SRF-42 does not overload on their signal or on > the > > I didn't think that any station in the U.S. was allowed to use > more than 50KW. Do they have a grandfathered license from before > the time the FCC started regulating power? > > JSG > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From rjskadl@yahoo.com Sun Apr 28 18:29:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Apr 2002 01:29:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 38856 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2002 01:29:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2002 01:29:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2002 01:29:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2002 01:29:02 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 01:29:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: SRF-42 equals crap Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1362 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl > Does this apply to their camcorders? I have a DCR-TRV103 Digital8 > and haven't had any problems yet other than dirty heads. Is this > a reliable unit or do they have problems? Yes it does. It applies to everything they make. Even professional grade of equipment isn't what it used to be. I used to swear by Sony Products. I still do swear by the older Sony products. But the newer stuff, you just dont have any guarantee if it is going to work OK or if it is going to be a nightmare. I will say that I haven't heard of too many problems with their digital camcorders. I personally have an older analog Handycam that I am really still happy with. But we are having trouble at work with a fairly new Sony CRT video projector. The thing is only two years old and the whole thing is out of whack. It requires constant realignment. The blue is completely messed up. The blue will not focus completely. Unfortunately management is too stupid to let us get it serviced. Oh well. Perhaps I was a little harsh in my words about Sony products, and I probably still will buy their products, but not untill I get a chance to check them out thoroughly and compare them to whatever else is available. Still, as many on this and several other forums have pointed out, Sony products aren't quite what they used to be, and that is a pity. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Apr 28 18:43:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Apr 2002 01:43:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 29508 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2002 01:43:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2002 01:43:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2002 01:43:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2002 01:43:43 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 01:43:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: SRF-42 equals crap Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003101c1ef1a$22432b20$aaf9bed8@kredding430cdt> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1603 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.20 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > You can get a massive ERP if you are in the directional of the > antenna many times in excess of the power allotment. For example, 900 CHML has a 50,000 watt transmitter, but with their highly directional antenna array, the "beam" of the signal provides the equivalent of over 800,000 watts at its maximum point. > The largest power allotment given a station was 500kW which was at > WLW in the 1930s. I dread to think what the ERP was. Since they were non-directional, the ERP would be the same, 500 kW. Think of it this way: A non-directional antenna is like a regular light bulb, just sitting there like any table lamp with its shade removed. The light radiates out equally in all directions, and some in the vertical direction as well (which is what eventually bounces off the upper atmosphere, causing "skywave" reception at night). OTOH, a directional antenna is like a lighthouse. The "beam" of the signal is pointing in a certain direction, or sometimes in multiple directions. This is to both "target" the signal at specific areas, as well as to "protect" the signals of other stations on the same and adjacent frequencies. Also, continuing with the lighthouse analogy, this does not mean you still can't see the light (or pick up the radio signal) even if it is not pointing in your direction -- it just won't be as strong. These are called "nulls", which are the areas where the signal is not pointing to. In some cases, the null can be "deep" enough that you can actually see the station's towers, but not be able to pick up their signal, especially at night. From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sun Apr 28 22:21:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Apr 2002 05:21:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 2339 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2002 05:21:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2002 05:21:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2002 05:21:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2002 05:21:29 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 05:21:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AMS Standard on Transmitters? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020428235012.91679.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 532 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 141.157.200.222 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@y..., Johnny Electron wrote: > Awhile back I listed them, but I can't find my list of what new MW/AM > transmitters come STANDARD with C-Quam AM Stereo at no additional > cost, and only require the engineer to "turn the switch on"? > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness > http://health.yahoo.com The BE rigs has the AM stereo card if you order it with one. I don't know of any others off hand. From rjskadl@yahoo.com Sun Apr 28 23:54:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Apr 2002 06:54:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 24093 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2002 06:54:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2002 06:54:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2002 06:54:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2002 06:54:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 06:54:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Directional AM Antennas Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1376 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl As far as I know, Directional AM Antenna arrays are not designed to provide a whole lot of gain in signal strength. Actually they do just the opposite. There is the reference tower which if it was alone, would radiate the stations signal in a non-directional pattern (Think of a circle). The other tower(s) is(are) at certain spacing from the refrence tower which puts it(them) out of phase from the original tower. A phasing cabinet is also employed to get the optimal amount of phase difference between the various additional towers. The difference in phase between the towers is what actually causes the nulls in the non-directional signal of the reference tower causing the pattern to become directional (think of taking a scissor and cutting off parts of the circle). In the U.S. AM stations can not exceed an ERP of 50,000 watts. That ERP is figured in when the antenna array is being designed. If there is gain for some reason in a particular direction due to the antenna array then power output of the transmitter would have to be lowered accordingly. Don't confuse AM Antenna arrays with the gain multiplying capabilities of Yaggi antennas and multiple bay FM antennas. Although they are working on the same principals, they are doing it in different ways. I will try to put together some kind of a diagram on how this would appaer. From amfmdx@fastq.com Mon Apr 29 00:06:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Apr 2002 07:06:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 96051 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2002 07:06:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2002 07:06:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2002 07:06:07 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d59-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.91]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g3T766n35347 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 00:06:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <00f701c1ef4c$2fd7a860$aaf9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Directional AM Antennas Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 00:05:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > As far as I know, Directional AM Antenna arrays are not designed to > provide a whole lot of gain in signal strength. The energy has to go somewhere. The ERP is increased in the direction of the signal. The laws of physics mandate it. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From rjskadl@yahoo.com Mon Apr 29 00:25:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Apr 2002 07:25:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 39015 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2002 07:25:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2002 07:25:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2002 07:25:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2002 07:25:24 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 07:25:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Directional AM Antennas Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1751 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl OK. so I went and put some diagrams of Directional AM antenna paterns in the photoalbum section. If you look at them you will see a large green circle, which represents the non-directional coverage area. The yellow line shows you how the nulls affect coverage pattern by cutting in on the circle. WGSM has a very directional pattern. It is a 25,000 watt station that has to protect Canada, Boston and others. If some insane engineer were to pull the plug on all of the directional towers though and just leave the refrence tower connected WGSM's pattern would fill the entire Green outer circle. Suddenly you would be able to hear it in Jersey, but out east on the south fork of LI you wouldn't notice any difference. Out in Riverhead, on the east end, both WFTU and WRIV at 1,000 watts (the directional WFTU and the non-directional WRIV) have roughly equal reach on the south fork of LI. Go to the northwest of Riverhead though and you can't get WFTU, but you can get WRIV quite nicely. You can see that WHLI at 1100 AM has to protect the station on 1100 in Cleveland. WLIM is non-directional during the day with 10,000 watts. It is directional at critical hours (the 2 hours after sunrise and the 2 hours before sunset) with 5,000 watts. The pattern is pulled in from the north almost completely at night when the station operates at 500 watts. Sometimes you can barely hear it at a quarter mile north. Unfortunately i don't have a pattern for WREF handy. That one is neat though. During the day it is non-directional, but at night it is like two circles right next to each other, or a figure eight. Keep in mind that these are simply antenna patterns and not the actual coverage patterns of the stations. From philipr@irac.pe.ca Mon Apr 29 09:53:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Apr 2002 16:53:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 69669 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2002 16:53:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2002 16:53:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2002 16:53:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2002 16:53:37 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:53:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: Sony SRF-42 Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2113 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking I'm happy to report that the SRF-42 I recently acquired through ebay works very well. It is reasonably sensitive, but tricky to tune. Where it really shines is used with a select-a-tenna. On the low end of the dial, this combo is as sensitive as my GE SR III by itself. Also, the S-A-T makes it easier to tune, as I find you can fine tune using the S-A-T I can see QC could be a problem though - the dial scale clear cover had fallen off the SRF-42, and I fitted it back on. I'm only a couple miles across salt water from a 10 kw station [CHTN to be exact]and I have no overload problems. The AM stereo sounds great even though I am smack dab in the middle of a sharp protective null of an AM stereo station [25 kw] located 60 miles away in an adjacent Province over salt water. The SRF-42 can just barely detect this station on its own. RE directional AM transmitting installations - my understanding is that the use of a directional antenna aray does provide a stronger signal in the targeted area, in exchange for the protective nulls. A number of years back, a particular 25 kw flamethrower in Nova Scotia had to briefly operate in a circular pattern, instead of its usual two tower directional array. It's sharp nulls were replaced with a good signal, but its signal in the centre of each of its two primary lobes deteriorated significantly. Still, it had an excellant signal in all directions, its just that the signal in the usual lobe areas was not as intense - e.g. say a 5 mv/m signal extending 80 miles instead of 100 miles. My understanding is that in Canada, max power on AM is 50,000 watts transmitter power. Perhaps the regs are different in the US? Two things can increase ERP - 1. directional pattersn - ERP increase only in the beam 2. larger than 1/4 wavelength tower. Some of the old CBC clear channel installations used a single 5/8 wavelength tower with a 50 kw transmitter - yeilding, if my math is correct, an ERP of 125,000 watts. Of course with AM, the reference is usually to transmitter power - whereas with FM, its usually ERP. Phil From amfmdx@fastq.com Mon Apr 29 13:05:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Apr 2002 20:05:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 72956 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2002 18:43:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2002 18:43:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2002 18:43:52 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d54-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.86]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g3TIhon47580 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:43:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <000f01c1efad$0a1ae540$56f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Directional stations..... Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:38:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > RE directional AM transmitting installations - my understanding is > that the use of a directional antenna aray does provide a stronger > signal in the targeted area, in exchange for the protective nulls. Bingo! The energy has to go somewhere. If you shift the energy to one direction, the energy is still there and it has to go somewhere. Instead of being diffuse in the case of a NDA antenna, where the energy goes in all directions, the energy is forced in one direction and the ERP is increased. If you understand physics, energy can not be destroyed. It always is. It just gets diffused and so weak that it finally has no effect. Since the energy can't go out in all directions, it must be concentrated in the direction in which its sent. The power may be 1kw but when its beamed in a direction, the signal strength is increased by the amount that the other half of the direction and more. > My understanding is that in Canada, max power on AM is 50,000 watts > transmitter power. Perhaps the regs are different in the US? On AM 50kW is max. On FM 100kW is max but there are stations that are well over 100 kW because they were on with more than 100kW prior to 1962. WOOD in Michigan has 262kW ERP due to the antenna height and power well over 100 kW. > Two > things can increase ERP - 1. directional pattersn - ERP increase > only in the beam 2. larger than 1/4 wavelength tower. Some of the > old CBC clear channel installations used a single 5/8 wavelength > tower with a 50 kw transmitter - yeilding, if my math is correct, > an ERP of 125,000 watts. You are absolutely correct. KFBK 1530 in Sacramento has a 5/8ths wave sectionalized Franklin antenna and they are an atomic powered blowtorch! Thanks Phil for the discussion. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Mon Apr 29 14:26:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Apr 2002 21:26:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 49881 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2002 21:24:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2002 21:24:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.122) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2002 21:24:02 -0000 Received: from user-33qtsj6.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.242.102] helo=earthlink.net) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 172Icr-0003Rd-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 14:24:01 -0700 Message-ID: <3CCDBA60.4252677C@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 17:25:52 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SRF-42 equals crap References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Dick W." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 I know several people with Sony consumer products, and they have all had problems. I don't buy Sony anymore. Dick W. jsgilst wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Christopher Cuff" wrote: > > I totally agree with Sony's QC... there doesn't seem to BE any... > > and it is worse today than ever. > > Does this apply to their camcorders? I have a DCR-TRV103 Digital8 > and haven't had any problems yet other than dirty heads. Is this > a reliable unit or do they have problems? > > JSG > >  > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From davidcoons@webtv.net Mon Apr 29 16:21:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: davidcoons@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Apr 2002 23:21:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 17342 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2002 22:25:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2002 22:25:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net) (209.240.198.118) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2002 22:25:31 -0000 Received: from storefull-2315.public.lawson.webtv.net (storefull-2315.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.212.223]) by mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id AC5EC1547 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:25:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-2315.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id PAA17385; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:25:31 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQREQhHXyV7+CshMtZQ0XMY3bLFpQIVAJDJ7VxByGUoFKTeWcFMfmR9359D Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 18:25:31 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: SRF-42 equals crap Message-ID: <20358-3CCDC85B-534@storefull-2315.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Dick W." 's message of Mon, 29 Apr 2002 17:25:52 -0400 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-From: davidcoons@webtv.net (David Coons) From: davidcoons@webtv.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10533228 hve owned no less than 4 sr-42s over the years and have had no problems with any of them...do hate that infernal "popping" it does when tuning though From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Mon Apr 29 16:32:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Apr 2002 23:32:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 39126 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2002 23:29:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2002 23:29:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2002 23:29:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2002 23:29:26 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 23:29:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Sony SRF-42 vs SRF A1 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2651 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.23.151 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio I finally encountered an SRF-42 that works! On this try, I examined the unit head to head with a friends SRF-A1. I'll get the FM out of the way. The SRF-42 blends the audio to mono and kills the top end on distant stations. While the SRF-A1 also blends to mono, it does NOT kill the top end. The SRF-A1 has a DX/Local switch and the 42 does not. Selectivity is just what you would expect from a walkman, so-so. On locals, the SRF-A1 sounds better with better seperation and more highs. WINNER: SRF-A1 Now the AM: We'll start with sensitivity/selectivity: The SRF-A1 seems to hold its own end to end on the band. The SRF-42 is less sensitive at the low end, but is equal to the A1 once you get up toward .8 MHz. Tuning WICC in Bridgeport, CT from Babylon, NY the SRF-A1 was fairly clean with good stereo seperation, where the SRF-42 was somewhat noisy (although it was in stereo). Tuning WMID 1350, both radios behaved the same. Both radios also had no overloading problems with WNYG 1440 AM (the local in Babylon) less than 2 miles away. I did notice that the SRF-42 was able to tune 1490 WZRC from New York with less splatter than the SRF-A1. Testing audio with the Chris Cuff AM transmitter, both radios tolerated the unit. The SRF-42 had a bit of a whine in the audio with dead air. The SRF-A1 had better seperation as well as less noise even close to the antenna. WINNER: SRF-A1 Tuning ease: The SRF-A1 is much easier to tune and fine tune than the SRF-42. The tuning scale on the SRF-A1 is laid out better, but the SRF-42 has the extended band to 1.7 MHz. WINNER: SRF-A1 (only because there is no extended band AM broadcasting in C-QUAM in our area). Construction: For a 1990's product, the SRF-42 is not "terrible" compared to other walkmen of its era. The SRF-A1 is a product of the 1980's and it doesn't take a wizard to see that it's better made. The POWER and BAND switches are just better quality overall. The SRF- 42 that I tested with had a dirty volume pot (which has since been cleaned) as it was a demo out on display for quite some time (with some dust on it). I'd like to see if the SRF-42 holds up 18 years from now. WINNER: SRF-A1 Overall: The SRF-A1 is multi-mode which is cool for checking out how many AM's are running Power Side. While the SRF-A1 does not have the AMAX filters, I really don't think it takes any points away from this unit. The SRF-42 suffers from quality control (it took FOUR of these for me before I found one that worked) and the FM doesn't hold a candle. WINNER: SRF-A1. Step by Step test will be shown (in pics) soon on our website From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Mon Apr 29 16:35:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 29 Apr 2002 23:34:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 70965 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2002 23:34:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2002 23:34:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2002 23:34:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2002 23:34:32 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 23:34:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fixing the FM blend on SRF-42 Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 192 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.23.151 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio Is there a way to defeat the FM blend feature on the SRF-42 to make it more like the SRF-A1? A friend of mine said there is and he's seen it here before but I'll be damned if I can find it From rjskadl@yahoo.com Mon Apr 29 20:06:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 30 Apr 2002 03:06:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 14752 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2002 03:06:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2002 03:06:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2002 03:06:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2002 03:06:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 03:06:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Directional stations..... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000f01c1efad$0a1ae540$56f9bed8@kredding430cdt> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2918 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl > > RE directional AM transmitting installations - my understanding is > > that the use of a directional antenna aray does provide a stronger > > signal in the targeted area, in exchange for the protective nulls. Yes > > Bingo! > > The energy has to go somewhere. If you shift the energy to one direction, > the energy is still there and it has to go somewhere. Instead of being > diffuse in the case of a NDA antenna, where the energy goes in all > directions, the energy is forced in one direction... Yes. >...and the ERP is increased. No. Well, sort of. Keep in mind that the transmition system is still putting out 50kW and only 50kW. The ERP is not actually increasing in the target lobe, but the field intensity maintains its strength, because as you said, the energy has to go somewhere. >Since the > energy can't go out in all directions, it must be concentrated in the > direction in which its sent. That is correct. Someone used a lighthouse as an example that the light can be seen in all directions, but it is most intense in the beam. This is true. But the reflector is not actually affecting the amount of power (wattage) that the light is putting out, it is however causing the light to be more intense (brighter) in the direction of the beam. I did a little research on AM directional patterns and got a lot of good information from the book "Theory and Design of Directional Antennas" by Carl E Smith. I will now admit my mistake in reporting that the Green Circle in the antenna patterns is not neccesarily the area that the non directional signal would take up. It would take up that area if the field intensity could be preserved in all directions, but as we know in a non directional situation the field energy has more space to diffuse in and thus loses intensity. I was correct though in my statement that ERP is not really incresed in the target lobe. Once again what is increased is field intensity. ERP is really more of an FM term. Even though the sations in NYC on the Empire State building are really only radiating about 6kW, the effective radiated power is determined to be 50kW because of the great height of the radiators. The coverage area would be comparable to a radiator with an output power of 50kW at a standardized height. Basically we are arguing over some technical terminology. So, since this whole discussion on AM patterns began with someone mentioning that they were receiving 100,000 watts from WOR, they were both correct and incorrect. Correct in that they are receiving WOR with the same field intensity as if it were non-directional at 100,000 watts, but wrong to actually say 100,000 watts because it really isn't putting out 100,000 watts, it is only putting out 50,000 watts. But the field intensity is stronger in the lobe at distance X from the towers than if the station were non-directional. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Apr 29 20:09:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 30 Apr 2002 03:09:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 57000 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2002 03:09:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2002 03:09:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2002 03:09:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2002 03:09:11 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 03:09:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: More on directional antennas Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3113 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.138 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I happen to have a neat little program called "MW Database Viewer". With it, the FCC's AM stations database (available on their web site) could be downloaded, and this program would extract and display all the information available in it, with an incredible amount of detail for each station. The catch? The FCC changed their database file format, and MW Database Viewer ("MWView") was never updated to work with the new format. It is a 1996 program (written for Windows 3.1) that only reads the old FCC format, which was last updated in January 2000. However, for the stations that haven't changed since then, it still is an excellent resource. In this case, I make screen captures of its directional antenna plots. I set it to "Equivalent Power" plots which shows the equivalent wattage levels the directional antenna is sending in various directions. You can see these GIF image files at: http://rvcc2.raritanval.edu/ktek9053/am/ SIMPLE.GIF is the plot of a simple 2-tower directional antenna. The station has a 1000 watt transmitter, but with the directional antenna, in the "beam" of the signal, the equivalent power is about 2000 watts, and in the null, the signal is reduced down to about 300 watts. If the station were non-directional, the signal pattern would follow the dashed blue line -- an exact circle centered at 1000 watts. COMPLEX.GIF is a very complex pattern produced by a 4-tower array. I would not like to be the engineer who maintains the phasors required to do this! As you can see, the output equivalent power varies widely depending on the direction. This is a 500 watt station, and in some directions, it is putting out the equivalent of 2000 watts, while in the nulls, it is down to virtually 0 watts. BLOWTRCH.GIF is the classic "blowtorch" signal, from the *12-TOWER* nighttime signal of 1190 KLUV in Dallas, TX. As you can see, they are a 5000 watt station, but the "blowtorch" directionality gives them the equivalent of 85,000 watts towards the southwest! And finally, TOWERS.GIF is another station plot, along with MWView's Tower Information display, showing the layout of the towers, including their height, whether they are Normal or Top-Hatted, the spacing between the towers, and their phasing. Great stuff for the engineers who can understand all this information! There is also an "Augmentations" display for stations that have an augmented pattern (whatever that means). One very neat thing about MWView is that it can actually predict what stations you will be able to receive by "skywave" at night -- notice the "Received Skywave" data at the lower left corner. It can sort the stations in order of strongest received skywave signal to weakest. Neat stuff, eh? Too bad it doesn't work with the new FCC database format. But if anybody is interested in this program, even though its information is only good as of January 2000, I can provide a copy of it to download. It runs in Windows 3.1 or higher on almost any computer -- even a 386 is fine! -- and in ZIPped form, the complete program is only 1 meg. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Apr 29 20:19:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 30 Apr 2002 03:19:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 98482 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2002 03:19:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2002 03:19:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2002 03:19:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2002 03:19:43 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 03:19:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sony SRF-42 vs SRF A1 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2064 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.138 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I don't have a SRF-A1 walkman, but as compared to the SRF-A100 "mini boom box" (which is very similar electronically), I find the SRF-42 to have better selectivity for good DXing. With SRF-A100, you get the choice of either REALLY Wide bandwidth (12.5 kHz) or REALLY Narrow bandwidth (3 kHz). The SRF-42 fits right in between with good response up to about 9 kHz. This gives you 90% of the available audio response that AMAX stations are transmitting, with better selectivity and also a nice filter to cut out the 10 kHz whistle (which is VERY annoying on the SRF-A100 in Wide mode). The SRF-42 also has better bass response, because it finally fixed the problem where the SRF-A1 and SRF-A100 had the low bass roll-off (to filter out the pilot tone and reduce distortion) incorrectly applied to the L+R component (mono sum) instead of the L-R component (Stereo difference). Thus, with the old Sonys, you get weak bass in the center of the audio image (where bass usually is), along with distorted bass and unfiltered pilot tones to the sides. The SRF-42 finally fixes this, with the roll-off correctly applied to the L-R component, so you get fuller, richer bass response (in the center), but it is still using the Magnavox-type decoder which does not apply true C-Quam decoding, so especially if the bass is off to one side (as on many 1960s songs), it will sound rather distorted, and will even cause the whole audio image to "shudder" if the bass track is strong enough. All in all, for its price ($29.99 at Radio Shack), I have to say IF you find one that was made without any defects, the SRF-42 can be a GREAT radio! I was lucky to get a good one as the second AM Stereo radio I ever had (besides a Chrysler car radio), and it is what really introduced me to AM Stereo. That was also back in the "glory days" of the Expanded Band so I was getting stations like 1630 KCJJ and 1700 WCMQ from up to 1000 miles away playing music in great STEREO sound -- all using nothing more than the SRF-42's built-in ferrite bar antenna! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Apr 29 20:24:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 30 Apr 2002 03:24:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 87837 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2002 03:24:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2002 03:24:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2002 03:24:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2002 03:24:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 03:24:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fixing the FM blend on SRF-42 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 709 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.138 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Is there a way to defeat the FM blend feature on the SRF-42 to make > it more like the SRF-A1? A friend of mine said there is and he's > seen it here before but I'll be damned if I can find it Go to the AM Stereo Forum's web site at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ Then click on "Files" in the lime green area, and about halfway down the list you'll see Srf-42.jpg and Srf-42b.jpg. These show you what capacitor to crush to disable the FM Stereo blend. It also is a nice view of the SRF-42's circuit board, including where the input a 450 kHz IF signal if you want to use it as an AM Stereo decoder for another radio (with a jumper to disable the SRF-42's own built-in tuner). From rjskadl@yahoo.com Mon Apr 29 20:53:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 30 Apr 2002 03:53:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 4783 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2002 03:53:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2002 03:53:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2002 03:53:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2002 03:53:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 03:53:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: More on directional...Found new program Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1006 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl > I happen to have a neat little program called "MW Database Viewer". > With it, the FCC's AM stations database (available on their web site) > could be downloaded, and this program would extract and display all > the information available in it, with an incredible amount of detail > for each station. > > The catch? The FCC changed their database file format, and MW > Database Viewer ("MWView") was never updated to work with the new > format. You are in luck because I have found a new program that should do all that the old one did, and this one works with the current CDBS database that the FCC is currently using with the most current information. The program can be registered for $50 and there is a free 30 day trial. Here is the link http://home.earthlink.net/~nsadams/ Give it a try and let us know how it works. If it does what the one you used can do then it should be a nifty program. Neat patterns and stuff by the way. Thank you for sharing them with us. -Russ From dav259@csiro.au Mon Apr 29 21:44:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 30 Apr 2002 04:44:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 10630 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2002 04:44:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2002 04:44:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2002 04:44:43 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11141 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:44:41 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:44:41 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: stereo 3MP?? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public More runaround from 3MP. Still nobody is ever saying that they have intentionally stopped broadcasting in stereo - and the pilot's still on. From ... "just the Program Director" - when I've spoken to him it sounds as if he doesn't like the new management. From: Peter Tarnawski To: 'Bob Green' Subject: RE: 3MP Missing Stereo Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 12:33:37 +1000 Hi Bob, Being JUST the Program Director, I can only go by what the technical engineers tell me. The latest word is that our Stereo Dolby Link has been repaired but hasn't as yet been installed & Tuned??!!. Can I suggest you contact our Engineer, Peter Smerdon by email at psmerdon@3ak.com.au Cheers, Pete T From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Apr 29 21:55:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 30 Apr 2002 04:55:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 31573 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2002 04:55:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2002 04:55:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2002 04:55:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2002 04:54:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 04:54:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Directional patterns Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 656 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.138 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Okay, now I am getting mad... Netsape crashed on me TWICE when trying to type this message. So, for the third time, in much shorter form than I originally intended because I don't feel like typing it all over again: If you want to compare the MWView directional pattern plots to actual signal coverage maps, here they are for the examples I used: For the "simple" pattern: http://www.radio-locator.com/pats/WAEL_AM_LU.gif For the "complex" pattern: http://www.radio-locator.com/pats/KKLF_AM_LN.gif And for the "blowtorch" pattern (which isn't as much of a "lighthouse beam" as you would expect): http://www.radio-locator.com/pats/KFXR_AM_LN.gif From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Apr 30 00:29:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 30 Apr 2002 07:29:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 85289 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2002 07:29:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2002 07:29:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2002 07:29:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2002 07:29:41 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 07:29:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 790 CIGM / country in NYC Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1480 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.69.1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Right now, "Hot New Country" 790 CIGM from Sudbury, ON is coming in strongly here in New Jersey with crisp, clear, full separation Stereo sound.... it sounds really nice on my SRF-A100. However, since I only have the Sony on hand right now, I can't check if they are actually transmitting a pilot tone.... CIGM has been quite flakey about that in the past, and sometimes they don't have any Stereo separation, either. And speaking of which, New York City is about to lose its FM country station, "Y-107", next month. It will be changing to a Spanish format, leaving the New York City and central/northern New Jersey area with no FM country station to listen to (there is 1070 WKMB, a tiny 250-watt daytimer in Stirling, NJ playing country music, but that's it). Also, radio "pros" keep saying that country music on FM would never work in NYC, because this area just doesn't like country enough to support it. Well, they were proved right... but they never say country on *AM* couldn't work, as it has for WKMB for the past 25 years. So, I think the time is ripe for one of the NYC area AM stations to switch to Country, in AM Stereo if possible! I think the ideal station to do this would be 1050 WEVD... they were Country in the past as WHN, and were quite successful in the ratings back then. Nowadays they are (surprise!) "ESPN Radio", which needless to say is a complete waste of this 50,000 watt, AM Stereo-capable (but currently in Mono) signal. From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Apr 30 01:07:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 30 Apr 2002 08:07:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 67604 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2002 08:07:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2002 08:07:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2002 08:07:22 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.45]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.224) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 04:07:46 -0400 Message-ID: <000701c1f01e$33925e00$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 790 CIGM / country in NYC Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 04:08:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 CIGM is coming in this morning with a pilot.. now, it is an unstable pilot, as some radios kick in, but others will not. I suspect they are running the pilot at a reduced level, similar to what CFCO did... As for Country, funny that alan Jackson's album was number 1 on Billboards charts for 3 weeks, but no way to hear it, except "Froggy 101" out of PA and WRWD locally- both anoyingly weak where I am. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics To: Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 3:29 AM Subject: {AMSF} 790 CIGM / country in NYC From cboone@earthlink.net Tue Apr 30 01:59:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cboone@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 30 Apr 2002 08:59:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 66453 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2002 08:59:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2002 08:59:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2002 08:59:18 -0000 Received: from user-0ccshog.cable.mindspring.com ([24.206.71.16] helo=earthlink.net) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 172TTh-0000Sc-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 01:59:17 -0700 Message-ID: <3CCE5CDD.29954F@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 03:59:09 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Directional patterns References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: cboone@earthlink.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173263 kevtronics wrote: > > And for the "blowtorch" pattern (which isn't as much of a "lighthouse > beam" as you would expect): > http://www.radio-locator.com/pats/KFXR_AM_LN.gif That picture is wrong!! As a former engineer for the station, the actual pattern is much tighter toward the SW with little else except one minor lobe toward the SE (pointing at Terrell TX)... Looking at the real pattern information submitted to the FCC by the consulting engineering group (Jones of Washington DC), the main lobe is less than 20 deg wide...the joke was it went right down Commerce St of Dallas, but never touched the curb! The lobes to the NW and NE as shown in the GIF above are just NOT there...1190 in Dallas had to protect WOWO and KEX....and the stations are in those directions....in fact where the current studios are now is almost where the NULL toward KEX is....(yes, the studios actually can lose the night signal! OUCH!) The real pattern was on a site with engineering info but is gone.. I'll see if I can dig it out of my archives. Chris From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Apr 30 07:04:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 30 Apr 2002 14:04:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 73567 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2002 14:03:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2002 14:03:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2002 14:03:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2002 14:03:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:03:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 790 CIGM / country in NYC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000701c1f01e$33925e00$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 404 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 207.200.163.74 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > CIGM is coming in this morning with a pilot.. now, it is an > unstable pilot, as some radios kick in, but others will not. I > suspect they are running the pilot at a reduced level, similar to > what CFCO did... Last night they were really booming in, but my Panasonic walkman was only receiving them in Stereo sometimes. I think they are either no pilot (with falsing) or an off-frequency pilot! From justinvn@yahoo.com Tue Apr 30 08:11:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: justinvn@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 30 Apr 2002 15:11:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 43444 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2002 15:11:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2002 15:11:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2002 15:11:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2002 15:11:04 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 15:11:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: KYMN, Northfield MN Sold Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 209 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "justinvn" X-Originating-IP: 207.32.7.98 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public AM Stereo 1080 in Northfield is being sold to another broadcaster in the area. What they plan to do with it seems a little unclear. Here's a link to a news clip about it: http://www.northpine.com/broadcast From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Tue Apr 30 08:48:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 30 Apr 2002 15:48:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 76606 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2002 15:48:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2002 15:48:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2002 15:48:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2002 15:48:16 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 15:48:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Sony ST-JX430a Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 282 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 192.35.232.241 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Hello, Picked up a Sony ST-JX430a on ebay. It is AM stereo and has a AM bandwidth switch. Haven't found much mentioned about this tuner. May be overseas market only 9kc spacing but the price wasn't much and it looks nice. Any thoughts on this unit? Kind regards, Paul Bigelow From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Apr 30 12:46:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 30 Apr 2002 19:46:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 45663 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2002 19:46:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2002 19:46:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2002 19:46:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2002 19:46:24 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 19:46:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Directional patterns Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 447 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.139 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > Okay, now I am getting mad... Netsape crashed on me TWICE when trying > to type this message. So, for the third time, in much shorter form > than I originally intended because I don't feel like typing it all > over again: > Yea, that happened to me once on a big message. After that painful experience I type mine up in a text editor and paste it into the message box. JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Apr 30 15:27:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 30 Apr 2002 22:27:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 53545 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2002 22:27:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2002 22:27:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2002 22:27:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2002 22:26:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 22:26:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Grundig Satellit 800 & ICOM IC-R75 Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1436 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.69.31 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics The Grundig Satellite 800 is a member of a series of shortwave receivers that have been known to use the Sony CX-857 multi-system AM Stereo decoder chip in order to perform Synchronous Detection. The Satellit 500 and 700 models are known to use this chip, and I suppose the 800 does as well. This means, just like the Sony ICF-2010, these radios can be easily converted to receive AM Stereo, since half of the Sony AM Stereo decoder system is already there. If you're adventurous, the complete schematic diagrams for the Grundig Satellit 800 can be found at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Satellit800/files/Sat800%20schematic.zip If you are not a member of the "Satellit800" group you will have to join first, but you can just as easily cancel your membership of the group after you download the file. Meanwhile, the ICOM IC-R75 communications receiver, which is currently very popular with serious shortwave radio listeners, uses the Motorola MC13022 C-Quam AM Stereo decoder chip to do its Synchronous Detection. Thus, modifying it to receive AM Stereo would be as simple as tapping into the Left and Right audio outputs provided directly on the MC13022 chip. I do have the schematic of the IC-R75 in PDF form, which includes the circuit diagram showing how it uses the MC13022 chip for synchronous detection, and I will upload it to the AM Stereo Forum's own file collection right after I finish typing this. From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Tue Apr 30 15:32:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 46117 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2002 22:32:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2002 22:32:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2002 22:32:13 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2002 22:32:09 -0000 Date: 30 Apr 2002 22:32:05 -0000 Message-ID: <1020205925.135387.73808.w60@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /icr75.pdf Uploaded by : kevtronics Description : PDF file containing the schematic diagram of the ICOM IC-R75 communications receiver, which uses the Motorola MC13022 C-Quam AM Stereo decoder chip to perform Synchronous Detection. You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/icr75.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, kevtronics From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Apr 30 18:01:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 1 May 2002 01:01:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 85673 invoked from network); 1 May 2002 01:01:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2002 01:01:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2002 01:01:14 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-98.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.98]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g41105dj026466 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 20:00:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002b01c1f0ab$d567ad60$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} KYMN, Northfield MN Sold Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 20:02:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude One of the Ingstad brothers used to own KFGO in its AMS days, so it's possible they won't turn it off at KYMN. However they owned a number of other stations that could have been good candidates for adding it and they didn't. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: justinvn To: Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 10:11 AM Subject: {AMSF} KYMN, Northfield MN Sold > AM Stereo 1080 in Northfield is being sold to another broadcaster in > the area. What they plan to do with it seems a little unclear. > > Here's a link to a news clip about it: http://www.northpine.com/broadcast > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Apr 30 23:29:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 1 May 2002 06:29:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 15685 invoked from network); 1 May 2002 06:29:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2002 06:29:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2002 06:29:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2002 06:29:19 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 06:29:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: K.T. E-mail update Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1843 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.69.31 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Attention AM Stereo Forum members: Due to an annoyingly large amount of "spam" being received at my CompuServe e-mail box (between 5 and 10 spams a day, mostly from Korea in the Korean language which shows up as garbage characters on my screen!), I am phasing out use of my CompuServe e-mail addresses at kevtronics@compuserve.com and 76362.2023@compuserve.com (the "kevtronics" address is just an alias for the numerical address; they both point to the same In-Box). My CompuServe account will still be active because I use them as my ISP and I also make use of the CompuServe Forums, but I may turn off Internet functionality of my e-mail box so that any message sent to my CompuServe addresses from outside CompuServe itself is bounced back to the sender with an error message. So, from this point on, please only use my Yahoo e-mail address of: kevtronics@yahoo.com I may still *send* e-mails from my CompuServe address to individuals on rare occasions, but when I do that I will make a note of it so the recipients are sure to direct their replies to my Yahoo address instead. Most of you are already using my Yahoo e-mail address, as it I have it set within the Yahoo Groups structure, but this notice is just in case there are any stragglers who are still using my CompuServe addresses. Also, I realise Alex K.'s web site will continue to display my CompuServe e-mail address in his contact info, but hopefully more people will make sense to use the "Kevtronics" e-mail link provided on the main page of the www.AMStereoRadio.com site. Also, finally, if anybody out there still has my other alternate e-mail address of "kevtronics@iname.com" in their bookmarks, please delete this, as it is no longer active. Kevin Tekel kevtronics@yahoo.com Sysop of The AM Stereo Forum Webmaster of www.AMStereoRadio.com From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Wed May 01 10:49:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 1 May 2002 17:49:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 63657 invoked from network); 1 May 2002 17:49:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2002 17:49:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2002 17:49:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2002 17:49:27 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 17:49:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Sony ST-JX430a Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 244 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 192.35.232.241 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Hello, I have not found a thing about this tuner! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1349801784 There appears to have been a ST-JX430 but not a thing has been found about a AM stereo counterpart. Best regards, Paul Bigelow From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed May 01 13:09:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 1 May 2002 20:09:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 30781 invoked from network); 1 May 2002 20:09:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2002 20:09:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2002 20:09:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2002 20:09:11 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 20:09:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sony ST-JX430a Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 466 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.36 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I have not found a thing about this tuner! It uses the same multi-system AM Stereo decoder with automatic mode switching as the ST-JX220A and other members of Sony's series of 1980s AM Stereo home tuners. Notice it is set to 9 kHz channel spacing -- "738 kHz" is showing on the display. Thankfully I believe these tuners can be switched over to 10 kHz channel spacing by pressing a special combination of buttons. Anybody have the instructions for that? From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Wed May 01 14:36:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 1 May 2002 21:36:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 51656 invoked from network); 1 May 2002 21:36:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2002 21:36:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2002 21:36:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2002 21:36:53 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 21:36:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sony ST-JX430a Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 181 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 192.35.232.241 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Hello, Thank you Kevin. I guess we'll find out more after it arrives! I've never seen a ST-JX430a. It should match well with my Sony 80's CD player. Best regards, Paul Bigelow From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed May 01 15:36:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 1 May 2002 22:36:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 51481 invoked from network); 1 May 2002 22:36:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2002 22:36:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11708.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2002 22:36:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20020501223613.9045.qmail@web11708.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.37.206] by web11708.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 01 May 2002 15:36:13 PDT Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 15:36:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: To the editor(s) of the AMS station list To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Gentlemen, Please delete WOON/1240 as they do NOT broadcast in stereo and haven't done so since 1999. Seeing that station up there is like having a knife through the heart. Rhode Island is AM Stereo-free. On another topic, what is the deal with WBZ? Are they going to broadcast in stereo or not? They're pissing me off too. I left a message w/ their engineer. 73, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed May 01 21:28:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 May 2002 04:28:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 34797 invoked from network); 2 May 2002 04:28:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2002 04:28:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web13807.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.175.17) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2002 04:28:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20020502042817.22507.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.192.89.36] by web13807.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 01 May 2002 21:28:17 PDT Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 21:28:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: AM Stereo at 1240 WOON? To: onradio@tp.net, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Kevin Tekel X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From: Kevin Tekel To: AM 1240 WOON CC: The AM Stereo Forum To whom it may concern, It has come to my attention that your station, 1240 WOON, is no longer broadcasting in AM Stereo. I am not a local listener, but as webmaster of the www.AMStereoRadio.com web site and Sysop of an AM Stereo discussion group, WOON listeners have reported to me that your station is no longer broadcasting a Stereo signal. I would like to ask if there is any specific reason why WOON is no longer transmitting an AM Stereo signal. Has this been because of equipment problems, or because of a conscious decision to revert to a monaural signal? From the content of your web site, I get the impression that WOON its proud of its AM signal and would like listeners to be able to enjoy your programming as much as possible. To this effect, the use of AM Stereo at WOON would be highly beneficial, as a growing number of WOON listeners likely have AM Stereo-capable radios, especially in their cars. For example, all three of the domestic auto makers -- General Motors, Ford Motor Co., and Chrysler Corp. -- continue to equip many of their cars with radios that can receive and take advantage of the high fidelity, true Stereo sound that the Motorola C-Quam AM Stereo system has to offer. You also may have heard of recent experiments involving a system for broadcasting a digital signal on AM, known as "IBOC". Unfortunately, this system has not worked out nearly as well as they expected; it has serious problems with signal coverage, especially at night. As a Local Channel station, WOON would likely not be able to use the IBOC digital system at all, even if its performance is improved. On the other hand, as the past use of AM Stereo on your station surely demonstrated, AM Stereo is very capable of providing high fidelity, high quality "FM-like" Stereo sound without any significant negative effects to your signal coverage. If you would like to learn more about AM Stereo and its latest technological advancements, I suggest you visit the Official AM Stereo Web Site at: http://www.AMStereoRadio.com/ Our station listing at this site currently has 1240 WOON listed with a question mark symbol, indicating our hope that some time soon, WOON will once again be broadcasting an AM Stereo signal for all of your listeners to enjoy. Thanks, Kevin Tekel kevtronics@yahoo.com Webmaster, www.AMStereoRadio.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed May 01 23:20:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 May 2002 06:20:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 93616 invoked from network); 2 May 2002 06:20:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2002 06:20:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11707.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2002 06:20:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20020502062010.55750.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.37.237] by web11707.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 01 May 2002 23:20:10 PDT Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 23:20:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo at 1240 WOON? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20020502042817.22507.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Thank you Kevin for sending that e-mail. You are a true believer in this cause. I wish I was so bold. I did talk to the owner of WOON a couple of months back and he said that although he enjoyed AM Stereo immensely, he received no calls when they turned it off in 1999. He continued to say that the signal was fuzzy along the fringes when it was stereo and that at one time he was a member of an AM Stereo list. I am still working on getting AM Stereo back to R.I.. Right now all we have is WINY/1350 COMING FROM pUTNAM, ct., and WILD/1090-Boston. 73, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From dav259@csiro.au Thu May 02 01:57:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 May 2002 08:57:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 70802 invoked from network); 2 May 2002 08:57:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2002 08:57:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2002 08:57:46 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA04330 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 18:57:44 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 18:57:44 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo at 1240 WOON? In-Reply-To: <20020502062010.55750.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Wed, 1 May 2002, Jay Rogers wrote: > I am still working on getting AM Stereo back to R.I.. > Right now all we have is WINY/1350 COMING FROM pUTNAM, > ct., and WILD/1090-Boston. Hi Jay Couldn't those in RI pick up 1030 WBZ in Boston? Or has it given up on AMS? Ian ... from 21 months ago ... From: "Hess, Robert P" To: 'Bob Green' Subject: RE: Comment about Broadcast Reception and Tech Issues, WBZ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:01:40 -0400 Very perceptive of you, Bob. We have a problem with the stereo generator on one of our transmitters. Hopefully, will be fixed today. Bob -----Original Message----- Message from: Bob Green (bottlegreen@hotmail.com) User Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) User Referer: http://www.wbz.com/now/feedback/0,1611,364,00.html Type: tv_related Here in Providence we usually pick WBZ up in stereo. Yet for the last week or so we are definitely only getting a mono signal. Is everything OK at the transmitter? cheers Bob Green From dav259@csiro.au Thu May 02 02:46:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 May 2002 09:46:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 67874 invoked from network); 2 May 2002 09:46:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2002 09:46:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2002 09:46:31 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06093 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 19:46:30 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 19:46:29 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo at 1240 WOON? In-Reply-To: <20020502042817.22507.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Wed, 1 May 2002, Kevin Tekel wrote: > To whom it may concern, > > It has come to my attention that your station, 1240 WOON, is no longer > broadcasting in AM Stereo. Well done KT! IMHO we should all save your message and reword it as necessary to send to any station that drops AMS in the next six months or so. The seeming failure of IBOC will be relevant for this long - maybe much longer. I hope (I suppose) that this doesn't appear as harping - butt! - it doesn't cost any of us 1c to send an e-mail message. I don't think people in the industry really should lobby radio stations. But for us listeners on the list please spare five minutes to send a message when a call for help goes out. Ian - Melbourne From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu May 02 05:23:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 May 2002 12:23:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 93892 invoked from network); 2 May 2002 12:23:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2002 12:23:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14203.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.145) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2002 12:23:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20020502122317.86781.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 02 May 2002 05:23:17 PDT Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 05:23:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sony 9/10KHz - Searching paper archives To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio There is a button combination that will reset the tuning back to 10KHz spacing on Sony AMS rigs. I will look for it and post it after I find it. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From philipr@irac.pe.ca Thu May 02 06:07:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 May 2002 13:07:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 45409 invoked from network); 2 May 2002 13:07:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2002 13:07:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2002 13:07:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2002 13:07:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 13:07:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo at 1240 WOON? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020502042817.22507.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3282 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Kevin Very well expressed. You are a true wordsmith for the cause! Perhaps we should have a sample letter available on the site, but encourage as much customizing as possible. Another idea rather than a sample letter would be a suggested list of points to consider, so we can cover all the bases when we write. Now, you have given me a little inspiration and a much needed kick in the shins. I'm going to email CHTN to suggest that they convert to AM stereo. Phil --- In amstereoforum@y..., Kevin Tekel wrote: > From: Kevin Tekel > To: AM 1240 WOON > CC: The AM Stereo Forum > > > To whom it may concern, > > It has come to my attention that your station, 1240 WOON, is no longer > broadcasting in AM Stereo. I am not a local listener, but as webmaster of > the www.AMStereoRadio.com web site and Sysop of an AM Stereo discussion > group, WOON listeners have reported to me that your station is no longer > broadcasting a Stereo signal. > > I would like to ask if there is any specific reason why WOON is no longer > transmitting an AM Stereo signal. Has this been because of equipment > problems, or because of a conscious decision to revert to a monaural > signal? > > From the content of your web site, I get the impression that WOON its proud > of its AM signal and would like listeners to be able to enjoy your > programming as much as possible. To this effect, the use of AM Stereo at > WOON would be highly beneficial, as a growing number of WOON listeners > likely have AM Stereo-capable radios, especially in their cars. For > example, all three of the domestic auto makers -- General Motors, Ford > Motor Co., and Chrysler Corp. -- continue to equip many of their cars with > radios that can receive and take advantage of the high fidelity, true > Stereo sound that the Motorola C-Quam AM Stereo system has to offer. > > You also may have heard of recent experiments involving a system for > broadcasting a digital signal on AM, known as "IBOC". Unfortunately, this > system has not worked out nearly as well as they expected; it has serious > problems with signal coverage, especially at night. As a Local Channel > station, WOON would likely not be able to use the IBOC digital system at > all, even if its performance is improved. On the other hand, as the past > use of AM Stereo on your station surely demonstrated, AM Stereo is very > capable of providing high fidelity, high quality "FM-like" Stereo sound > without any significant negative effects to your signal coverage. > > If you would like to learn more about AM Stereo and its latest > technological advancements, I suggest you visit the Official AM Stereo Web > Site at: > > http://www.AMStereoRadio.com/ > > Our station listing at this site currently has 1240 WOON listed with a > question mark symbol, indicating our hope that some time soon, WOON will > once again be broadcasting an AM Stereo signal for all of your listeners to > enjoy. > > Thanks, > > Kevin Tekel > kevtronics@y... > Webmaster, www.AMStereoRadio.com > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness > http://health.yahoo.com From philipr@irac.pe.ca Thu May 02 06:36:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 May 2002 13:36:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 92115 invoked from network); 2 May 2002 13:36:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2002 13:36:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2002 13:36:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2002 13:35:27 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 13:35:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Copy of draft email to CHTN Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2470 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Here is a copy of my draft email to CHTN - a little rough - but I=20 hope it covers the basis. Any of you folks who can dx them along=20 the Eastern seaboard - please feel free to write them in the weeks=20 ahead! Phil Hello Just dropping a brief line to say I enjoy listening to your=20 station. It's nice that there are still a few stations left on the=20 AM band. I have a small but growing collection of antique radios,=20 both solid state and tube, and I enjoy listening to CHTN on them! I have recently purchased a new AM Stereo receiver. Unfortunately,=20 CHTN does not appear to be broadcasting in AM Stereo. While the=20 programming and on-air format of CJFX 580 AM Stereo in Antigonish NS=20 is now seriously crippled by it's "felt need" to imitate its=20 competitor, 101.5 The Hawk, CJFX does demonstrate how terrific AM=20 Stereo sounds with superior technical quality in AM Stereo. CJFX=20 also demonstrates how AM Stereo does not hurt a stations coverage=20 area. While I recognize that AM Stereo has had a rather rocky road in the=20 past, it is starting to make a comeback. The rather disastrous test=20 results of the IBOC system in the US suggest that AM Stereo may have=20 a brighter future after all! While DAB [Eureka 147] holds a lot of=20 promise for urban core markets in Canada, its very limited range=20 reveals the continued importance of standard AM radio. While many=20 AM stations have converted to FM in Canada, I suspect that the AM=20 band will be revitalized with regional stations with large coverage=20 areas doing what AM does best =96 cover an entire region. CHTN fits=20 nicely into this scenario. CHTN's large coverage area in the Maritimes would make it an ideal=20 station to embrace AM stereo. I suspect that a great many of your=20 listeners enjoy listening to your station as they drive to Moncton,=20 Halifax etc. I know I do! There are a considerable number of AM=20 stereo car radios already out there, and it is my understanding that=20 the "Big Three" still make available AM stereo car stereos in their=20 premium lines. It is my understanding that CHTN has a fairly modern transmitting=20 plant, given the switch from 1190 to 720 a number of years back.=20=20 Thus, I suspect that it would be quite feasible to upgrade the STL=20 for stereo operation and install a CQUAM exciter. Good Time Oldies in Stereo would make a great slogan! While I already enjoy listening to CHTN, it would be a real treat to=20 listen to you folks in AM stereo! Cheers! Phil Rafuse From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu May 02 08:26:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 May 2002 15:26:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 50940 invoked from network); 2 May 2002 15:26:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2002 15:26:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web13808.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.175.18) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2002 15:26:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20020502152655.91594.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.200.162.121] by web13808.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 02 May 2002 08:26:55 PDT Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 08:26:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Response from WOON To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Kevin Tekel X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I got this e-mail response from WOON. I think some of their arguments are illogical, especially in regards to IBOC vs. AM Stereo (perhaps they don't realise that Clear Channel has pulled out all of their support for IBOC, claiming it would "destroy" the AM band), but at least they bothered to respond to me. I will type a detailed reply to them when I have time to forumulate it to the best of my ability. From: "O-N Radio" To: "Kevin Tekel" Subject: Re: AM Stereo at 1240 WOON? Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 05:16:46 -0400 Dear Kevin, I am in receipt of your email regarding WOON's use the Motorola C-Quam AM Stereo transmission system. I'll take just a minute to address the history and present status of the topic as it relates to our station. I am not only the owner of the station, I am the Chief Engineer. I was originally a proponent of AM Stereo using the Kahn-Hazeltine system because I was familiar with it from my studies in the 1960's. When the FCC failed to initially choose a system and the Motorola system seemed to win out, WOON began broadcasting in that system in late 1992. After the FCC took the lead and designated a digital TV standard, signaling that the FCC will no longer sit on the sidelines and allow confusion to destroy technical advances, we realized that the FCC would, in deed, mandate the IBOC standard for U.S. radio as soon as it received the technical data to justify it. Not that we think it is the right thing to do, but we believe the FCC will do it, nonetheless. We also considered that the corporate ownership of more than 70 percent of the radio stations in this country were partners in the IBOC venture. This indicated a critical mass of political energy which cannot be discounted no matter how poor-performing or ill-advised the IBOC system may actually be. My examples for case-in-point would be the advent of the clearly inferior VHS home video tape system over the Beta format (in terms of technical quality) and the clearly inferior C-Quam system over the Kahn-Hazeltine system for AM Stereo. In short, history teaches us that the better system does not always win when politics is in the mix. And IBOC has "got politics". As you know, IBOC and C-Quam are mutually exclusive. So, in conclusion, even though I was an avid proponent of AM Stereo for many years and invested heavily in it, when I considered the increased noise in my grade B and fringe reception and the platform motion and increased noise to my nighttime operation for those tiny few who owned AM Stereo radios, the less than 1 percent penetration in my market by AM Stereo receivers, the virtual unavailability of aftermarket AM Stereo receivers for cars or home use, the additional costs of sending stereo audio to the transmitter site, and the almost certain eventuality of IBOC or some other mutually exclusive system being mandated by the government, we shut off the stereo pilot, reluctantly, in 1999. I am an ardent proponent of technological advances. But no amount of my bad-mouthing VHS saved the Beta-max from fading away to extinction, and no amount of my promotion saved my AM Stereo when the average listener couldn't find the radios at the local Wal-Mart. Sorry, guys. Life is hard sometimes. For the record, I absolutely loved hearing us in Stereo. Regardless of any shortcomings, any AM Stereo system was better than AM Mono. It broke my heart to turn it off. My Best Wishes, Dave Richards, WOON __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu May 02 09:01:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 May 2002 16:01:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 32473 invoked from network); 2 May 2002 16:01:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2002 16:01:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web13805.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.175.15) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2002 16:01:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20020502160153.81997.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.200.162.121] by web13805.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 02 May 2002 09:01:53 PDT Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 09:01:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: AM Stereo at 1240 WOON? To: O-N Radio , amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001701c1f1ba$15f874e0$a8ed66ce@Dave> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Kevin Tekel X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics From: Kevin Tekel To: WOON Radio CC: The AM Stereo Forum Dave, thank you for your prompt and detailed reply. My responses follow your quoted text. >> the FCC would, in deed, mandate the IBOC standard for U.S. radio as soon as it received the technical data to justify it. Not that we think it is the right thing to do, but we believe the FCC will do it, nonetheless. << Currently, the NRSC (National Radio Systems Committee) has approved use of IBOC Digital AM during daytime hours only, citing serious nighttime interference problems. For example, when IBOC was tested on 50,000 watt clear channel station 1500 WTOP in Washington DC, they found that the IBOC Digital signal was only useable within a 13 mile radius of the transmitter! That clearly is unacceptable, and I doubt the FCC would approve the use of a daytime-only system, as people *do* listen to AM radio at night! Also, even if it is improved enough to be workable on the high-power stations, IBOC would likely not be beneficial for a Local station like WOON to use, even during the day, especially considering the large expense of new IBOC equipment (they claim a station conversion will cost about $75,000). >> We also considered that the corporate ownership of more than 70 percent of the radio stations in this country were partners in the IBOC venture. This indicated a critical mass of political energy which cannot be discounted no matter how poor-performing or ill-advised the IBOC system may actually be. << In case you didn't read their comments yet, Clear Channel Communications has stated that they do not support IBOC-AM in its current form, due to its serious technical problems. The Senior Vice President of Clear Channel said IBOC would be the "death knell" for AM radio! And as you imply, with Clear Channel owning so many radio stations across the country, their decisions and opinions carry a lot of weight. If Clear Channel does not support IBOC on AM, then its viability will be severely reduced, even without its technical problems. It should also be noted that the one station that Clear Channel tested the IBOC system on -- 960 KABL in Oakland, CA -- normally broadcasts in C-Quam AM Stereo, and is continuing to do so after their IBOC tests were completed. This might not be indicative of anything on a national basis, but it at least shows that even Clear Channel still believes in AM Stereo as a workable system. >> My examples for case-in-point would be the advent of the clearly inferior VHS home video tape system over the Beta format (in terms of technical quality) and the clearly inferior C-Quam system over the Kahn-Hazeltine system for AM Stereo. In short, history teaches us that the better system does not always win when politics is in the mix. << You must admit that since these "marketplace wars" in the 1980s, the quality and performance of both VHS video tape and C-Quam AM Stereo has improved tremendously. The quality of the lastest VHS HQ HiFi Stereo standard is no doubt close to, if not equivalent to, the best that the Beta system ever achieved during its heydey. Similarly, Motorola has put a *lot* of effort into C-Quam AM Stereo. Their newer decoder chips such as the MC13022 and MC13028 are signifcantly improved in all aspects -- both in Stereo audio quality and in handling of weak and unstable signals. The vast majority of AM Stereo radios made since the early 1990s use these newer decoder chips and the performance is overall much better than it was with the first-generation 1980s radios. For example, all Chrysler and GM/Delco radios with AM Stereo since 1993 use the MC13022 chip, while Visteon radios (in Ford vehicles) have actually switched to using Digital Signal Processing (DSP) to decode and receive AM Stereo! This yields the best results because it combined the advantages of digital reception with the superior on-the-air characteristics of analog signals. >> So, in conclusion, even though I was an avid proponent of AM Stereo for many years and invested heavily in it, when I considered the increased noise in my grade B and fringe reception and the platform motion and increased noise to my nighttime operation << As mentioned above, all of these issues are much less noticeable on the newer generation of AM Stereo radios, which smoothly blend to Mono reception in weak or unstable signal conditions, just like most radios do with FM Stereo reception. The radio in my 1995 Jeep uses this newer decoder design and I have *never* heard platform motion or noisy Stereo reception from it. Whenever signal conditions get poor, it gradually reduces the Stereo separation, always providing the best possible audio quality considering the signal condition. >> for those tiny few who owned AM Stereo radios, the less than 1 percent penetration in my market by AM Stereo receivers, the virtual unavailability of aftermarket AM Stereo receivers for cars or home use, << I noticed WOON's page makes emphasis of the number of people listening to WOON their car. This is also the place where they are the most likely to have an AM Stereo-equipped radio. The radio divisions of GM and Chrysler both recently renewed their contacts with chip suppliers to provide them with MC13022 C-Quam decoders to use in their radios (Ford's DSP-based AM Stereo reception uses computer code so it doesn't need a dedicated C-Quam decoder chip). As for home use, Sony sold many thousands of SRF-42 AM Stereo Walkmans starting in January 1994, most of which have been sold by Radio Shack at the affordable price of $29.99. A Sony SRF-42 was one of my first AM Stereo radios and I am sure it also introduced a lot of other people to AM Stereo as well. Also, on the level of receiver equipment manufacturers, there is continued support for analog AM Stereo. Fanfare FM, a renowned manufacturer of reference-quality AM/FM tuners, has recently introduced an AM Stereo model featuring all of the latest technology to improve reception and sound quality. It is their firm belief that AM Stereo remains the best choice, even in comparison to IBOC or any Digital AM system. For more information, go to their site at http://www.fanfare.com/ and check out the FTA-100 tuner. >> the additional costs of sending stereo audio to the transmitter site, and the almost certain eventuality of IBOC or some other mutually exclusive system being mandated by the government, we shut off the stereo pilot, reluctantly, in 1999. << As far as costs go, you hopefully realise that the cost of installing and using IBOC will be far greater than that of AM Stereo, both in monetary terms and in consequences to the coverage of WOON's signal and its audio quality to existing analog AM radios. IBOC mandates a reduction of the transmitted analog audio to 4.5 kHz -- less than *half* of the current 10 kHz bandwidth used for analog AM and AM Stereo audio, with a corresponding severe reduction in quality, even for regular "narrow-bandwidth" AM radios. >> For the record, I absolutely loved hearing us in Stereo. Regardless of any shortcomings, any AM Stereo system was better than AM Mono. It broke my heart to turn it off. << If the equipment is still in place, my hope is that WOON will reconsider turning it back on, especially in light of the failure of IBOC Digital AM and of the renewed international interest and support for AM Stereo. If not, we have stations that are looking to upgrade to AM Stereo but lack the equipment. In this case, it would be great if WOON's unused AM Stereo equipment (exciter, mod monitor, etc.) could be removed and sold so that another station could put it to good use. Even if it is not currently working correctly, we have engineers who can repair and refurbish it and get it working like new. Thank you for your reply and I hope to hear from you again. If you would like to gauge some of the public's interest for AM Stereo, you may visit the AM Stereo Forum on Yahoo Groups. Simply go to www.AMStereoRadio.com and then click on "Forum" on the navigation bar. We currently have 69 members in the Forum and its popularity and activity is constantly increasing. In fact, my inquiry to you about AM Stereo at WOON was inspired by a member of the Forum stating that they noticed WOON has not been in Stereo since 1999. Kevin Tekel kevtronics@yahoo.com Webmaster, www.AMStereoRadio.com Sysop of The AM Stereo Forum on Yahoo Groups __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From michaelj@vcn.com Thu May 02 10:31:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 May 2002 17:31:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 48103 invoked from network); 2 May 2002 17:31:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2002 17:31:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO boron.vcn.com) (209.193.72.5) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2002 17:31:44 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.29]) by boron.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 11:31:44 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo at 1240 WOON? Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 11:32:23 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <20020502160153.81997.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin Again...BRAVO! As Ian said...you ARE the wordsmith! Let's hope he flips the switch back on. I certainly wish other Clear Channel stations would run AMS. KWLW in Salt Lake City has a wonderful-sounding 50kw signal and they're doing classic country. THAT would be such a treat in stereo. Keep the pilot lights on! MJR n WYO -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Tekel [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 10:02 AM To: O-N Radio; amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo at 1240 WOON? From: Kevin Tekel To: WOON Radio CC: The AM Stereo Forum Dave, thank you for your prompt and detailed reply. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu May 02 12:05:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 May 2002 19:05:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 37577 invoked from network); 2 May 2002 19:05:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2002 19:05:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11704.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2002 19:05:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20020502190501.85500.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.37.237] by web11704.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 02 May 2002 12:05:01 PDT Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 12:05:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo at 1240 WOON? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Still no stereo as of 15:01 Eastern time today (Thursday). Will keep everyoen posted. Jay P.S.: What's the # for WFAN again? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From dav259@csiro.au Thu May 02 16:57:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 May 2002 23:57:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 84673 invoked from network); 2 May 2002 23:57:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2002 23:57:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2002 23:57:10 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA06774 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 09:57:08 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 09:57:08 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony 9/10KHz - Searching paper archives In-Reply-To: <20020502122317.86781.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Thu, 2 May 2002, Johnny Electron wrote: > There is a button combination that will reset the tuning back to > 10KHz spacing on Sony AMS rigs. I will look for it and post it after > I find it. If it's the same as the Sony ST-JX220A to change from 9 to 10kHz intervals or back again all you do is hold down the "+" tuning button when turning the power on. Ian From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu May 02 18:04:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 3 May 2002 01:04:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 1622 invoked from network); 3 May 2002 01:04:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2002 01:04:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2002 01:04:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2002 01:04:46 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 01:04:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: More from 1240 WOON Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4952 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.90.35 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Below is the latest reply from 1240 WOON, followed by my response. Like I say in it, I don't want to argue this to death with Mr. Richards, and he is at least showing *some* support for AM Stereo, but with regards to IBOC Digital AM, I think he is making an illogical argument which he would be wise to reconsider. ====================================================================== Good Evening Kevin, I enjoy a good debate with a skillful and knowledgeable man such as yourself. You make several well-placed points. I feel, however, it would not be productive to argue them point for point since the reality that AM Stereo was not accepted by my audience over the almost 7 years we had it and promoted it cannot be changed by either of us. I can leave you and your enthusiastic friends with this, however. I still have all the stereo equipment in place and ready to turn on at a moment's notice, except for the second program line which was discontinued when we shut the pilot off in '99. I have no plans to discard any of the equipment. None of us can tell the future. While station management must *attempt* to anticipate future events in order to make its best decisions, we can be wrong. If it turns out that IBOC fails on AM, I will turn the C-Quam back on. Even if I just listen to it myself. Continued Best Wishes, Dave Richards, WOON ====================================================================== >> While station management must *attempt* to anticipate future events in order to make it's best decisions, we can be wrong. If it turns out that IBOC fails on AM, I will turn the C-Quam back on. Even if I just listen to it myself. << That is part of what I don't get here. Even if it worked *perfectly*, IBOC is still *years* away. Let me play the devil's advocate. Say IBOC is this beautiful system that works fantastically with no problems at all. It will still take at least a year for the FCC to approve it. And then, just like in the early days of AM Stereo, FM Stereo, and TV Stereo, there will be quite a while before there are enough receivers available to realistically provide a benefit of the $75,000+ cost to add the IBOC equipment to a station like WOON. And even then, just like with XM radio now, even if the receivers are available, not everybody is going to buy them, and since most people never change their car's radio unless it breaks, nor are they going to buy new cars just to get one with an IBOC radio! Given a *best* case scenario, I don't think it could take any less than two or even three years for IBOC to reach the level of availability that AM Stereo has had for over a decade now. So, in the meantime, why punish your listeners (and indeed yourself) by not electing to transmit WOON's signal with the highest quality of audio *currently feasible* on the AM band, with AM Stereo? In my opinion, a radio station reverting to Mono until IBOC becomes popular is like a TV station reverting to Black & White until HDTV becomes popular. It just doesn't make sense! In my humble opinion, a more reasonable approach for WOON to adopt, and again this is assuming IBOC *will* be a "success" (even though all of the current indications are against it), would be to leave the AM Stereo turned on until the very first day that IBOC-equipped receivers hit the store shelves, and/or the very first day the auto makers drop their production of AM Stereo-equipped car radios and start building IBOC-equipped car radios. *That* is the only *true* indication of when IBOC becomes viable. It will not be viable, no matter how much the industry talks about it, until consumers have access to it, at least to the degree they have had access to AM Stereo for the past two decades. I don't want to argue this thing into the ground, but I politely offer my suggestion that you take a step back and reconsider your options here. A lot of stations have been too hasty to forget about AM Stereo because they keep thinking IBOC Digital will be "right around the corner", and they keep believing the predictions that "IBOC receivers will be on store shelves by next Spring" (which was said about *this* Spring -- well, Spring 2002 is almost over and I don't see any IBOC radios yet!). I've heard this talk for over a DECADE now and it doesn't really seem any closer to becoming reality now than it was back then. I am actually encountering less and less people within the radio industry that are truly supportive of IBOC Digital, on both the AM and FM bands. Many echo Clear Channel's view that IBOC would have a very negative effect on the AM band if its use were approved. And many more echo my sentiment that if a station has AM Stereo equipment in place, there is no reason why it should not be used, at least until IBOC or something better is actually available to the listening public. Kevin Tekel kevtronics@yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu May 02 18:15:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 3 May 2002 01:15:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 41448 invoked from network); 3 May 2002 01:13:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2002 01:13:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2002 01:13:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2002 01:13:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 01:13:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo at 1240 WOON? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 701 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.90.35 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I certainly wish other Clear Channel stations would run AMS. > KWLW in Salt Lake City has a wonderful-sounding 50kw signal and > they're doing classic country. THAT would be such a treat in > stereo. A few years ago, the engineer for KWLW actually e-mailed *me* to let me know he had just turned off the Stereo. He didn't give any reasons why, but since he went through the trouble of finding my AM Stereo web site (I think this was back before Alex's page existed), I don't think he really wanted to do it, and instead was told to drop the Stereo at KWLW by somebody higher up within the station, who in turn was probably directed to do so by Jacor, as the company was called back then. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu May 02 18:33:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 3 May 2002 01:33:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 69138 invoked from network); 3 May 2002 01:25:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2002 01:25:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2002 01:25:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2002 01:24:37 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 01:24:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: re: WFAN Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020502190501.85500.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 532 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.90.35 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > P.S.: What's the # for WFAN again? Their office number is (718) 706-7690. As far as I can determine, the AM Stereo exciter most likely still exists at 660 WFAN, but since the recent studio equipment changes and repairs have left them with a mono STL, they leave the Stereo exciter turned off. One of the engineers for WFAN who contacted me hinted that another station in New York is looking to snatch WFAN's exciter (if it truly will remain unused) so that this station can use it to upgrade to AM Stereo. We shall see! From rjskadl@yahoo.com Thu May 02 19:12:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 3 May 2002 02:12:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 9201 invoked from network); 3 May 2002 02:02:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2002 02:02:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2002 02:02:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2002 02:02:26 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 02:02:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WFAN Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 603 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl > One of the engineers for WFAN who contacted me hinted that another > station in New York is looking to snatch WFAN's exciter (if it truly > will remain unused) so that this station can use it to upgrade to > AM Stereo. We shall see! Actually it was a Long Island Station looking to "snatch" the equipment, but it don't look like that is going to happen for now. It seems that WFAN has decided to hold onto the equipment for the time being. I guess with the whole IBOC thing being so unimpressive and all, It looks like another case of wait and see. And we shall wait, and we shall see. From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Thu May 02 19:17:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 3 May 2002 02:17:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 17277 invoked from network); 3 May 2002 02:17:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2002 02:17:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2002 02:17:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2002 02:12:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 02:12:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony 9/10KHz - Searching paper archives Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 617 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 172.141.174.18 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Hello Ian, Thank you for the info. I'll let you know how it works out. Just never seen a reference to the ST-JX430a so it intrigues me. Best regards, Paul Bigelow --- In amstereoforum@y..., Ian Davidson wrote: > On Thu, 2 May 2002, Johnny Electron wrote: > > > There is a button combination that will reset the tuning back to > > 10KHz spacing on Sony AMS rigs. I will look for it and post it after > > I find it. > > If it's the same as the Sony ST-JX220A to change from 9 to 10kHz intervals > or back again all you do is hold down the "+" tuning button when turning > the power on. > > Ian From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Thu May 02 19:39:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 3 May 2002 02:39:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 76698 invoked from network); 3 May 2002 02:34:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2002 02:34:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2002 02:34:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2002 02:34:14 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 02:34:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 790 CIGM / Barrie Ontario Scan Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1352 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.129.132.23 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 CIGM is almost local during the day and night and I have yet to see a pilot light on CIGM. Now that I'm settled in Barrie, I've been able to get VERY nice MP3s as I've moved out of the city (London) and the stations come in clear as a bell. DAY 760 WJR Detroit 1070 CHOK Sarnia (Pilot comes and goes from day to day - might have exciter trouble and not know it) 1350 CKDO Oshawa 1520 WWKB Buffalo NIGHT 630 CFCO Chatham (Gets blasted away by 640-CFYI until I turn the antenna ever so slightly then my FAVOURITE station is back with a solid pilot) 720 WGN Chicago 760 WJR Detroit 890 WLS Chicago 1070 CHOK Sarnia 1210 WPHT Philadelphia 1350 CKDO Oshawa 1520 WWKB Buffalo No extended band on my Sony 220A but I have been able to get a hold of someone that could possibly change the PLL tuner so it tunes up to 1710. 770 WTOR Youngstown is MONO. MattH --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > > CIGM is coming in this morning with a pilot.. now, it is an > > unstable pilot, as some radios kick in, but others will not. I > > suspect they are running the pilot at a reduced level, similar to > > what CFCO did... > > Last night they were really booming in, but my Panasonic walkman was > only receiving them in Stereo sometimes. I think they are either no > pilot (with falsing) or an off-frequency pilot! From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Thu May 02 19:40:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 3 May 2002 02:40:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 54281 invoked from network); 3 May 2002 02:40:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2002 02:40:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2002 02:40:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2002 02:39:53 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 02:39:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sony ST-JX430a Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 962 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.129.132.23 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 I'm jealous! Wish I saw that sooner!! Looks very nice. That is a 1987 model. The 220A and 520A were 1985 models. The 221 and 420A were 1986 models. All of the tuners are the exact same inside but have consmetic differences outside to match the respective amplifiers which share the same number designation. Finally got a mini lamp for the LCD display which was burnt out when I received it. It now looks amazing with the aqua coloration. Sony made some very nice tuners during the mid-80s era. The 220A is an excellent DXing machine and I'd assume the 430A will perform the same or possibly even better. Thanks, MattH --- In amstereoforum@y..., "pabigelow" wrote: > Hello, > > I have not found a thing about this tuner! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1349801784 > > There appears to have been a ST-JX430 but not a thing > has been found about a AM stereo counterpart. > > Best regards, > > Paul Bigelow From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu May 02 21:09:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 3 May 2002 04:09:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 60279 invoked from network); 3 May 2002 04:08:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2002 04:08:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2002 04:07:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2002 04:07:57 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 04:07:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 790 CIGM / Barrie Ontario Scan Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 619 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.90.35 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > CIGM is almost local during the day and night and I have yet to see > a pilot light on CIGM. It is a shame because if you listen to CIGM on a "forced Stereo" radio (like a manual tuning Sony or MetroSound), their Stereo sound is absolutely excellent -- very clear sound with wide separation, and if you're a Country fan, their music selection isn't bad either. I believe the last time 790 CIGM was actually transmitting a C-Quam pilot tone along with their Stereo audio was back in November 1999. By Christmas time of that year, they were Stereo without pilot, and apparently have been that way ever since. From dav259@csiro.au Thu May 02 21:14:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 3 May 2002 04:14:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 31933 invoked from network); 3 May 2002 04:14:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2002 04:14:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2002 04:14:17 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16231 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 14:14:15 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 14:14:15 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony 9/10KHz - Searching paper archives In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Fri, 3 May 2002, pabigelow wrote: > Thank you for the info. I'll let you know how it works out. > Just never seen a reference to the ST-JX430a so it intrigues > me. Hi Paul - I have the ST-JX220A manual scanned in .jpg format. Let me know if you want a copy. Matt's right - I bought it in 1985 - they were only sold in Canada and Oz. Ian From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu May 02 21:19:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 3 May 2002 04:19:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 10437 invoked from network); 3 May 2002 04:19:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2002 04:19:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2002 04:19:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2002 04:18:03 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 04:17:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WFAN Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1214 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.90.35 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Actually it was a Long Island Station looking to "snatch" the > equipment, but it don't look like that is going to happen for now. Long Island is still a part of New York state, y'know. :-) > It seems that WFAN has decided to hold onto the equipment for the > time being. I guess with the whole IBOC thing being so unimpressive > and all, It looks like another case of wait and see. And we shall > wait, and we shall see. I think a lot of stations, like 1240 WOON, are hedging their bets that IBOC Digital will probably fail and then their only choice for high quality Stereo on AM will be with C-Quam AM Stereo. 1210 WPHT held onto their Stereo equipment for about three years before they turned it back on. Hopefully we won't have to wait that long for WFAN to return to Stereo. p.s. I wonder whatever has happened to the C-Quam equipment that was at 1130 WBBR in New York City. After they rebuilt the station with a new transmitter site as WBBR to replace the defunct WNEW-AM, circa 1992 or 1993, they were transmitting a Stereo signal, but in 1995 when I got my first AM Stereo radio I never heard any true Stereo audio from WBBR, and then in about 1996 they turned it off entirely. From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Thu May 02 21:29:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 3 May 2002 04:29:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 58574 invoked from network); 3 May 2002 04:29:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2002 04:29:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2002 04:29:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2002 04:29:22 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 04:29:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony 9/10KHz - Searching paper archives Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 579 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.159.84.111 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 Hey Ian can you e-mail the manual to mhaw2001@hotmail.com I have the original sales brochure so I can send you that in return. Thanks, MattH --- In amstereoforum@y..., Ian Davidson wrote: > On Fri, 3 May 2002, pabigelow wrote: > > > Thank you for the info. I'll let you know how it works out. > > Just never seen a reference to the ST-JX430a so it intrigues > > me. > > Hi Paul - I have the ST-JX220A manual scanned in .jpg format. Let me know > if you want a copy. > > Matt's right - I bought it in 1985 - they were only sold in Canada and Oz. > > Ian From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Thu May 02 21:32:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 3 May 2002 04:32:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 72347 invoked from network); 3 May 2002 04:32:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2002 04:32:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2002 04:32:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2002 04:32:12 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 04:32:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 790 CIGM / Barrie Ontario Scan Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 962 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.159.84.111 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 Has anyone contacted CIGM? I posted the address and phone number about a month a go. I have been busy moving and stuff and haven't gotten around to contacting the engineer. Now that I have some free time I just might contact them tomorrow. MattH --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > > CIGM is almost local during the day and night and I have yet to see > > a pilot light on CIGM. > > It is a shame because if you listen to CIGM on a "forced Stereo" radio > (like a manual tuning Sony or MetroSound), their Stereo sound is > absolutely excellent -- very clear sound with wide separation, and if > you're a Country fan, their music selection isn't bad either. > > I believe the last time 790 CIGM was actually transmitting a C-Quam > pilot tone along with their Stereo audio was back in November 1999. > By Christmas time of that year, they were Stereo without pilot, and > apparently have been that way ever since. From dav259@csiro.au Thu May 02 21:37:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 3 May 2002 04:37:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 73404 invoked from network); 3 May 2002 04:37:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2002 04:37:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2002 04:37:48 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17218 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 14:37:47 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 14:37:47 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony 9/10KHz - Searching paper archives In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Fri, 3 May 2002, matt_haw2000 wrote: > Hey Ian can you e-mail the manual to mhaw2001@hotmail.com I have the > original sales brochure so I can send you that in return. It's on the way Matt. :) From rjskadl@yahoo.com Thu May 02 23:19:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 3 May 2002 06:19:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 76346 invoked from network); 3 May 2002 06:19:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2002 06:19:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2002 06:19:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2002 06:19:38 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 06:19:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WFAN Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 865 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl > > Long Island is still a part of New York state, y'know. :-) Yeah, Tell that to the politicians! Lol! > >I wonder whatever has happened to the C-Quam...at 1130 WBBR in New >York City...in about 1996 they turned it off entirely. Yeah, them ans 1010 WINS. That was my first experience with AM stereo. The stereo indicator in my Dad's work van lit up when he tuned to WINS. I thought it was just the radio malfunctioning. I hadn't thought any more uf it until a few years later when we swapped the radio in his van with the one in my car. That is when I discovered WLUX, WICC, WGSM, and WQEW all in AM Stereo, later on to find WGCH, WLIM, WWRL, and WREF. That was it. I was hooked. I still am. WLUX will be going back on soon. Just give it time. I think by the end of the summer it should be back in stereo, but I can't guarantee anything. From ccuff@in4web.com Fri May 03 00:56:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 3 May 2002 07:56:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 14769 invoked from network); 3 May 2002 07:56:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2002 07:56:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2002 07:56:30 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.49]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.224) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 03:57:07 -0400 Message-ID: <001301c1f278$2d9dd400$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WFAN Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 03:57:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Nice item to see- A friend at work brought to me the current Philly's baseball schedule pamphlet for 2002, and there is a advertisement on one page to "catch the game on 950 WPEN in AM Stereo". Great to see promotion! CC ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri May 03 14:44:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 3 May 2002 21:44:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 74467 invoked from network); 3 May 2002 21:44:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2002 21:44:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web13804.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.175.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2002 21:44:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20020503214403.34270.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.192.82.26] by web13804.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 03 May 2002 14:44:03 PDT Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 14:44:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Message from WPCI To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Kevin Tekel X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics For a change, here is a very positive e-mail I got... sorry it is in ALL CAPS, that is the way Randy typed it. =========================================================================== From: "Randy Mathena" To: kevtronics@yahoo.com Subject: WPCI AM STEREO IN GREENVILLE, S.C. Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 11:02:17 -0400 DEAR KEVIN TEKEL, WE OWN AND OPERATE WPCI AM STEREO IN GREENVILLE, S.C. THIS IS ONE OF GREENVILLE'S FIRST RADIO STATIONS, BUILT IN 1948. WE OPERATE FROM THE ORIGINAL STUDIO AND TRANSMITTER SITE. WE WON "RENOVATION OF THE YEAR" OF A HISTORICAL BUILDING IN GREENVILLE, S.C. IN 1995. I PURCHASED THE STATION SOME 16 YEARS AGO AND COMPLETELY REBUILT THE STATION FROM THE GROUND UP. WE INSTALLED THE FIRST ELEVATED GROUND SYSTEM IN THE US AND IT WORKS VERY WELL. WE ARE 1000 WATTS 24/7. WE HAVE BEEN WRITTEN UP IN THE GREENVILLE NEWS, THE GREENVILLE JOURNAL AND CREATIVE LOAFING. WYFF TV ALSO DID A VERY NICE STORY ON THE STATION LAST YEAR. WE ARE AN UNUSUAL STATION IN THAT WE HAVE NEVER SOLD ADVERTISING. I PURCHASED THE STATION TO PLAY MUSIC AND WE HAVE DONE SO FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS NON-STOP, EXCEPT FOR OUR TOP OF THE HOUR LEGAL ID. THIS IS THE LONGEST SONG-SET IN WORLD HISTORY. WE HAVE A LIBRARY OF "DEFINITIVE RHYTHM & BLUES" SONGS 10,000 STRONG, ALL HAND PICKED AND LOADED INTO OUR PHANTOM COMPUTER. THE CUTS ARE CATAGORIZED AND THE CATEGORIES ROTATE AND THE SONGS WITHIN THE CATEGORIES ROTATE. WE HAVE CAPACITY FOR ANOTHER 10,000 CUTS AND I AM WORKING ON NEW MATERIAL DAILY. OUR GOAL IS TO HEAR A CUT ONLY ONCE A YEAR. WE GET ABSOLUTELY RAVE REVIEWS FROM THE GREENVILLE MARKET. YOU JUST WOULD NOT BELIEVE IT. OUR LISTENERS LOVE THE MIX. THEY LOVE HEARING NO HUMAN VOICE AND THEY LOVE NOT KNOWING WHAT IS COMING NEXT. OUR AUDIENCE CROSSES ALL WALKS OF LIFE AND ALL AGE CATEGORIES. WE PURCHASED A BRAND NEW GATES STEREO TRANSMITTER, BECAUSE I WANT THE VERY BEST SOUND THAT WE CAN OBTAIN SHORT OF FM. WE WILL BE THERE EVENTUALLY. THE STEREO SOUND IS SUPERB. I AM INTERESTED IN HAVING A SIMPLE STEREEO RECEIVER BUILT THAT PICKS UP ONLY 1490 AM STEREO. DO YOU KNOW WHERE I COULD GO FOR THIS? ALSO ARE THERE SPECIAL ANTENNAS FOR AM STEREO. I COULD SELL A TRUCKLOAD OF THESE UNIT COMBINATIONS. IN THREE YEARS WE HAVE HAD MANY, MANY, MANY PHONE CALLS. WE ARE TOTALLY AUTOMATED AND ALL CALLS COME IN ON OUR ANSWERING MACHINE. THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A SINGLE NEGATIVE COMMENT, EXCEPT THAT THE LISTENERS WANT TO KNOW WHO IS PLAYING INDIVIDUAL CUTS. THESE ARE THE MOST PASSIONATE RADIO LISTENERS, I HAVE EVER ENCOUNTERED. THEY HAVE MOVED FROM FM TO AM AND SAY THAT THEY LISTEN TO US EXCLUSIVELY. I AM THE LUCKIEST PERSON IN THE WORLD, TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SO MANY PEOPLE HAPPY BY SIMPLY PLAYING GREAT MUSIC ON THE AM BAND. ENOUGH BABBLE. I HAVE ENJOYED READING THE CHAT ABOUT AM STEREO. I DID NOT REALIZE THAT AS MANY PEOPLE WERE IN TUNE. I AM GOING TO TRY TO ATTACH THE GREENVILLE NEWS ARTICLE WITH THIS EMAIL. OUR FORMAT SHOULD BE ON DIGITAL RADIO. WE HAVE INSTATLLED A T1 CONNECTION AND PLAN TO GO ON THE WEB THIS YEAR, ROYALTIES OR NO ROYALTIES. WITH KINDEST REGARDS, RANDY MATHENA OWNER & PROGRAM DIRECTOR WPCI AM STEREO 400 MAYBERRY STREET GREENVILLE, S.C. 29617 800-843-7130 EX 25 800-834-1834 FAX RMATHENA@PAPERCUTTERSINC.COM WPCI OPERATES UNDER THE HUNTER BROADCAST GROUP, WHICH IS OWNED AND OPERATED BY PAPER CUTTERS INC, THUS WPCI. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri May 03 17:35:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 4 May 2002 00:35:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 17866 invoked from network); 4 May 2002 00:35:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2002 00:35:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2002 00:35:50 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-205.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.205]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g440Yadj001954 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 19:34:38 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001f01c1f303$cdb92940$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo at 1240 WOON? Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 19:36:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude And if you're local, please take the time to do a lick-it-and-stick-it type of mail saying you've noticed the change and would like to see it return. Emails are a lot easier to ignore, whereas snail-mail, being that it takes a bit more effort, is less likely to suffer the same fate. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Davidson > IMHO we should all save your message and reword it as necessary to send to > any station that drops AMS in the next six months or so. > I hope (I suppose) that this doesn't appear as harping - butt! - it > doesn't cost any of us 1c to send an e-mail message. I don't think people > in the industry really should lobby radio stations. But for us listeners > on the list please spare five minutes to send a message when a call for > help goes out. > From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri May 03 17:58:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 4 May 2002 00:58:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 51816 invoked from network); 4 May 2002 00:58:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2002 00:58:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2002 00:58:53 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-205.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.205]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g440vedj004551 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 19:57:41 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <005f01c1f307$06345c60$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 790 CIGM / Barrie Ontario Scan Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 20:00:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude WOW!! If he can really do that, please post how he did it, or have him write some sort of technical article. I'll bet a lot of us would be chomping at the bit to do that to any one of a number of digitally tuned radios we have. One caveat- the varactors could already be close to maxed-out, so the conversion may not give all of the extra channels. Even on my '91 Pathfinder radio, which was already designed to go to 1700, has extremely broad bandwidth at the top of the band as the circuit Q gets really low. I can be several miles from a 50kW station on 1500 and it starts interfering with one I want to hear on 1640. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: matt_haw2000 > No extended band on my Sony 220A but I have been able to get a hold > of someone that could possibly change the PLL tuner so it tunes up to > 1710. From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri May 03 18:02:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 4 May 2002 01:02:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 3716 invoked from network); 4 May 2002 01:02:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2002 01:02:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2002 01:02:19 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-205.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.205]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g44116dj004897 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 20:01:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <006b01c1f307$811a7540$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 790 CIGM / Barrie Ontario Scan Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 20:03:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Any of you Canadians going to be traveling through that area this summer? How about stopping in and finding out whazzup? ST ----- Original Message ----- > CIGM is almost local during the day and night and I have yet to see > a pilot light on CIGM. From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri May 03 18:03:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 4 May 2002 01:03:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 27235 invoked from network); 4 May 2002 01:03:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2002 01:03:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2002 01:03:55 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-205.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.205]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4412gdj005071 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 20:02:43 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <007101c1f307$ba546be0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WFAN Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 20:05:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude You could always call or email and ask... ST ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics > p.s. I wonder whatever has happened to the C-Quam equipment that was > at 1130 WBBR in New York City. From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri May 03 18:26:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 4 May 2002 01:26:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 31099 invoked from network); 4 May 2002 01:26:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2002 01:26:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2002 01:26:21 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-205.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.205]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g441P7dj007748 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 20:25:08 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <008f01c1f30a$dc47cc80$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020503214403.34270.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Message from WPCI Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 20:27:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Seems you've posted a few of his messages before. There is an outfit in FL that makes fixed-tuned radios, but they do it for the missionary market. Don't know if they'd do it for him, but I'll ask if they'd be willing. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Tekel To: Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 4:44 PM Subject: {AMSF} Message from WPCI From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Fri May 03 18:55:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 4 May 2002 01:55:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 43352 invoked from network); 4 May 2002 01:55:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2002 01:55:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2002 01:55:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2002 01:55:03 -0000 Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 01:55:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Upgrading PLL tuners LINK Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005f01c1f307$06345c60$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1056 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.167.39.243 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 Here's the link guys! http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/9178/radios/extampll.html Thanks, MattH --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Scott Todd" wrote: > WOW!! If he can really do that, please post how he did it, or have him > write some sort of technical article. I'll bet a lot of us would be > chomping at the bit to do that to any one of a number of digitally tuned > radios we have. One caveat- the varactors could already be close to > maxed-out, so the conversion may not give all of the extra channels. Even > on my '91 Pathfinder radio, which was already designed to go to 1700, has > extremely broad bandwidth at the top of the band as the circuit Q gets > really low. I can be several miles from a 50kW station on 1500 and it > starts interfering with one I want to hear on 1640. > > ST > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: matt_haw2000 > > No extended band on my Sony 220A but I have been able to get a hold > > of someone that could possibly change the PLL tuner so it tunes up to > > 1710. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri May 03 22:47:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 4 May 2002 05:47:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 37762 invoked from network); 4 May 2002 05:47:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2002 05:47:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2002 05:47:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2002 05:47:53 -0000 Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 05:47:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 2003 Cadillac XM radio = AM Stereo? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 602 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.82.26 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Does anybody have any info on whether or not the 2003 model year Cadillac car radio with built-in XM satellite tuner will have AM Stereo? From the photos I have seen of it, this radio is based on the same exact design and front panel layout as the current 2002 Cadillac AM Stereo/FM RDS Stereo/Weatherband/CD/Cassette radio, so there is a good chance it will. I believe this radio design uses Digital Signal Processing (DSP) to perform the receiver functions, so its support for AM Stereo decoding is provided by computer code programmed into it, rather than by a regular C-Quam decoder chip. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri May 03 23:20:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 4 May 2002 06:20:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 62404 invoked from network); 4 May 2002 06:20:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2002 06:20:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11706.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2002 06:20:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20020504062021.38636.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.36.103] by web11706.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 03 May 2002 23:20:20 PDT Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 23:20:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo at 1240 WOON? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001f01c1f303$cdb92940$d3a9fea9@me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I think I am the only local to WOON, and I talked to the owner back in March/April and he said the same thing to me as to Kevin except that he said that he would have to give up his subcarrier services to go back to stereo. That's why I asked last month about that. The owner is aware of me. He said he liked the stereo, but I didn't know he thought Con, er Kahn was better. Why do some people go for Kahn? Personally, I think Magnavox sounded the best (Kevin, do you still have those Magnavox airchex?). Forget about covering the fringe area. More than likely they have a local to listen to. 73, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From jwelton@nautel.com Sat May 04 04:44:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 4 May 2002 11:44:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 81457 invoked from network); 4 May 2002 11:44:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2002 11:44:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO relay3.softcomca.com) (168.144.1.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2002 11:44:57 -0000 Received: from m2w048 ([168.144.108.48]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Sat, 4 May 2002 07:44:56 -0400 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo at 1240 WOON? Sender: "jwelton@nautel.com" Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 07:45:35 -0400 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Return-Path: jwelton@nautel.com Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 May 2002 11:44:56.0442 (UTC) FILETIME=[1CD89DA0:01C1F361] From: "jwelton@nautel.com" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Originating-IP: 24.222.136.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 Jay Rogers wrote: >I think I am the only local to WOON, and I talked to >the owner back in March/April and he said the same >thing to me as to Kevin except that he said that he >would have to give up his subcarrier services to go >back to stereo.=20=20 Without getting into the Harris/Kahn/Magnavox/Motorola debate (alphabetical= order, not personal preference!), are you certain you interpreted this cor= rectly, Jay? Unless something new has happened about which I am not aware,= there are no sub-carriers on AM. Jeff Welton Customer Service Dept. Nautel Ltd. Tel: 902-823-3900, ext. 127 Fax: 902-823-3183 jwelton@nautel.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sat May 04 05:48:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 4 May 2002 12:48:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 68173 invoked from network); 4 May 2002 12:48:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2002 12:48:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11702.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2002 12:48:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20020504124809.56103.qmail@web11702.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.15.42.2] by web11702.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 04 May 2002 05:48:09 PDT Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 05:48:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo at 1240 WOON? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio From what I've heard, there is a sub-carrier at about 5Hz that was used to turn heavy machinery on and off. I've seen something about AM subcarriers in the F.C.C. rules, but have never heard of a station using them before WOON. 73, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From dave_m1ctk@yahoo.co.uk Sat May 04 12:08:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dave_m1ctk@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 4 May 2002 19:08:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 95570 invoked from network); 4 May 2002 19:08:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2002 19:08:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2002 19:08:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2002 19:08:33 -0000 Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 19:08:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Sony ST-JX220a b/w for wide IF setting ? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 96 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" X-Originating-IP: 217.148.40.139 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=70214876 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Was the Aussie version made wider to allow for their apparent 15 - 18khz specs for bandwidth ? From dav259@csiro.au Sat May 04 13:50:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 4 May 2002 20:50:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 15085 invoked from network); 4 May 2002 20:50:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2002 20:50:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2002 20:50:45 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA11604 for ; Sun, 5 May 2002 06:50:43 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 06:50:42 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony ST-JX220a b/w for wide IF setting ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Sat, 4 May 2002, amstereofan wrote: > Was the Aussie version made wider to allow for their apparent 15 - > 18khz specs for bandwidth ? Yes Dave - this may very well be true ... thereagain it mightn't be ... Remember I'm the one who tried to send you a 20 Mb e-mail attaching nine 256 colour .bmp files of the scanned black and white manual. And momentarily wondered why my computer just about blew up ... Ian :) From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat May 04 17:33:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 5 May 2002 00:33:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 526 invoked from network); 5 May 2002 00:33:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2002 00:33:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r03.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.99) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2002 00:33:28 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.4b.1cc85924 (4421) for ; Sat, 4 May 2002 20:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4b.1cc85924.2a05d7cf@aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 20:33:19 EDT Subject: Re: AM Stereo at 1240 WOON? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 5/4/02 3:38:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com writes: << Jay Rogers wrote: >I think I am the only local to WOON, and I talked to >the owner back in March/April and he said the same >thing to me as to Kevin except that he said that he >would have to give up his subcarrier services to go >back to stereo. Without getting into the Harris/Kahn/Magnavox/Motorola debate (alphabetical order, not personal preference!), are you certain you interpreted this correctly, Jay? Unless something new has happened about which I am not aware, there are no sub-carriers on AM. Jeff Welton >> I've searched the FCC rules and regulations today and have not seen anything about sub-carriers on an AM station other than the 25hz sub-carrier used for AM Stereo operation. If by chance I have missed it...someone,please state the title and section number in the FCC rules and regulations for all of us to see. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih What would be nice is if they added shortwave broadcast bands (2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15, 17 and 21 MHz) to the radio, too. Since shortwave radio is still primarily AM, then C-QUAM would work on the SWBC bands, too. Back in the 1980s, the AM Mono/FM Stereo radio didn't work in the car, so I put a monaural Realistic DX-60 AM/FM/CB/SW portable in the car, and operated it on four "C" cell batteries. Shortwave signals do not fade under overpasses, like FM signals and close-in AM signals. If I were a manufacturer, I would rather offer shortwave than XM Satellite Radio. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat May 04 22:19:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 5 May 2002 05:19:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 48376 invoked from network); 5 May 2002 05:19:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2002 05:19:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14202.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.144) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2002 05:19:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20020505051947.45137.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.190] by web14202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 04 May 2002 22:19:47 PDT Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 22:19:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: AMS on eBay To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1826522878 UX-1 clone? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat May 04 22:56:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 5 May 2002 05:56:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 71110 invoked from network); 5 May 2002 05:56:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2002 05:56:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2002 05:56:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2002 05:56:11 -0000 Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 05:56:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 2003 Cadillac XM radio = AM Stereo? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8d.17e6868f.2a061a1f@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1385 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.75.9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > What would be nice is if they added shortwave broadcast bands (2, 3, > 5, 6, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15, 17 and 21 MHz) to the radio, too. One thing I cannot understand is why car radios do not have TV AUDIO reception. I would think this would be a very popular feature. But aside from Channel 6 audio (in Mono) on the bottom of the FM band at 88.7 MHz, most radios do not offer any TV audio capability. Has anybody here ever heard of a car radio with TV Audio reception? I would be very interested to know if any have ever been made! BTW, today I just got the DNR (Dynamic Noise Reduction) unit that I won on eBay. The performance is excellent! It has a manual "sensitivity" control, as well as a selection between emphasis on the mid or high frequencies, so that you can finely tune the noise reduction to suit just about any purpose. It's great at both cleaning up old cassette recordings of AM Stereo, as well as for adding extra dynamic range to modern musical recordings; even though the "noise reduction" isn't necessary with today's digital formats, the way the DNR works increases dynamic range without affecting crispness of the audio. Here's the eBay page, if you'd like to see what it looks like: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1339388083 Keep your eyes out for one of these DNR units -- I think no Stereo system should be without one! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat May 04 22:59:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 5 May 2002 05:59:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 41253 invoked from network); 5 May 2002 05:59:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2002 05:59:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2002 05:59:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2002 05:59:02 -0000 Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 05:59:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AMS on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020505051947.45137.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 221 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.75.9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > UX-1 clone? Since it is from a 1995 car, it is the newer model of the UX-1 radio with Expanded Band coverage and AMAX Certified AM Stereo audio with noise blanking and adaptive bandwidth control. Excellent radio!! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat May 04 23:07:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 5 May 2002 06:07:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 78840 invoked from network); 5 May 2002 06:07:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2002 06:07:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2002 06:07:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2002 06:07:29 -0000 Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 06:07:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: www.AMStereoRadio.com ownership Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1613 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Announce: yes From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.75.9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I just got the following message from Ben Lennard, who currently owns the domain name www.AMStereoRadio.com. If anybody here is interesting in taking over the domain (and the associated hosting costs), I suggest you contact Ben. Note that "just in case", the no-cost domain name http://AMStereo.s5.com/ has been running for quite a while as a back-up way to access the AM Stereo Web Site content (which is hosted on my CompuServe server; only the access to it is provided by either www.AMStereoRadio.com or AMStereo.s5.com). ===================================================================== Hi all, I regret to advise that on the 5th June 2002, I will be making amstereoradio.com available for whoever comes first. The reason is as follows: Unfortunately, my Aunty died on ANZAC day this year. She has, fortunately for me, left a large sum of money to my Mum and my 2 brothers and I. Now, what I want to do with this money, is go back to University and earn a BSc majoring in Electronics or Physics. It will be enough to keep me going without struggling with money. Plus will keep me going until I get back in to the work force with my new qualications. However, I also want to save as much as I can, and make sure I get rid of any debt what so ever, before starting the degree. This means that I will be opening the AMS site up for new onwership, and I will also be handing over webhosting of my brother's 4 websites to him. The only website I will be keeping is my own (lennard.net.nz). regards, Ben. ===================================================================== From narkspud@hotmail.com Sun May 05 06:38:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 5 May 2002 13:38:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 95194 invoked from network); 5 May 2002 13:38:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2002 13:38:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.172) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2002 13:38:12 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 5 May 2002 06:38:12 -0700 Received: from 67.224.17.83 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 05 May 2002 13:38:10 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo at 1240 WOON? Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 06:38:10 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 May 2002 13:38:12.0523 (UTC) FILETIME=[1A0A07B0:01C1F43A] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.224.17.83] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud Perhaps it was a question of STL capacity for an AM/FM combo? >From: KC4QLP@aol.com >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo at 1240 WOON? >Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 20:33:19 EDT > >In a message dated 5/4/02 3:38:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com writes: > ><< Jay Rogers wrote: > > >I think I am the only local to WOON, and I talked to > >the owner back in March/April and he said the same > >thing to me as to Kevin except that he said that he > >would have to give up his subcarrier services to go > >back to stereo. > > Without getting into the Harris/Kahn/Magnavox/Motorola debate >(alphabetical >order, not personal preference!), are you certain you interpreted this >correctly, Jay? Unless something new has happened about which I am not >aware, there are no sub-carriers on AM. > > Jeff Welton >> > >I've searched the FCC rules and regulations today and have not seen >anything >about sub-carriers on an AM station other than the 25hz sub-carrier used >for >AM Stereo operation. >If by chance I have missed it...someone,please state the title and section >number in the FCC rules and regulations for all of us to see. > >Bob Carter > Operations/Engineering > > WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 >Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio >Network > > Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with >engineering >services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. >e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com >http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice > Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC > WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC > WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC > >AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- >amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com > >amstereo-subcribe@topica.com >amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > > NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS > > KC4QLP Amateur Radio > www.kc4qlp.cjb.net > > voice contact-252-335-0856 > fax 1-209-254-8978 > _______________________________________________________ > >WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, >Chapter >5, Subchapter II, >"Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to >a >download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of >these terms." > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >------------------- _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From narkspud@hotmail.com Sun May 05 06:44:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 5 May 2002 13:44:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 2118 invoked from network); 5 May 2002 13:44:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2002 13:44:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.125) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2002 13:44:54 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 5 May 2002 06:44:54 -0700 Received: from 67.224.17.83 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 05 May 2002 13:44:54 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 2003 Cadillac XM radio = AM Stereo? Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 06:44:54 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 May 2002 13:44:54.0502 (UTC) FILETIME=[09A32860:01C1F43B] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.224.17.83] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud Several years ago I had a little Radio Shack gadget that fed channels 2 - 13 to the AM band. Sound quality was atrocious. You had to hook it up inline with the car's antenna, and it significantly reduced the signal strength on AM and FM. But I used it a lot, especially on long road trips. It is a great idea, unless you're a big fan of "Wheel of Fortune." narkspud >From: "kevtronics" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Re: 2003 Cadillac XM radio = AM Stereo? >Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 05:56:09 -0000 > > > What would be nice is if they added shortwave broadcast bands (2, 3, > > 5, 6, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15, 17 and 21 MHz) to the radio, too. > >One thing I cannot understand is why car radios do not have TV AUDIO >reception. I would think this would be a very popular feature. But >aside from Channel 6 audio (in Mono) on the bottom of the FM band at >88.7 MHz, most radios do not offer any TV audio capability. > >Has anybody here ever heard of a car radio with TV Audio reception? >I would be very interested to know if any have ever been made! > >BTW, today I just got the DNR (Dynamic Noise Reduction) unit that I >won on eBay. The performance is excellent! It has a manual >"sensitivity" control, as well as a selection between emphasis on the >mid or high frequencies, so that you can finely tune the noise >reduction to suit just about any purpose. It's great at both cleaning >up old cassette recordings of AM Stereo, as well as for adding extra >dynamic range to modern musical recordings; even though the "noise >reduction" isn't necessary with today's digital formats, the way the >DNR works increases dynamic range without affecting crispness of the >audio. > >Here's the eBay page, if you'd like to see what it looks like: >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1339388083 > >Keep your eyes out for one of these DNR units -- I think no Stereo >system should be without one! > > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Sun May 05 07:43:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 5 May 2002 14:43:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 48257 invoked from network); 5 May 2002 14:43:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2002 14:43:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2002 14:43:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2002 14:43:33 -0000 Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 14:43:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sony ST-JX220a b/w for wide IF setting ? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 322 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.166.233.200 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 The specs for the unit in the manual (Thanks Ian!) state that the Canadian version is 40Hz-8kHz while the Australian version is only 40Hz-7.5kHz. MattH --- In amstereoforum@y..., "amstereofan" wrote: > Was the Aussie version made wider to allow for their apparent 15 - > 18khz specs for bandwidth ? From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun May 05 08:22:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 5 May 2002 15:22:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 62700 invoked from network); 5 May 2002 15:22:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2002 15:22:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11701.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2002 15:22:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20020505152216.73533.qmail@web11701.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.36.103] by web11701.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 05 May 2002 08:22:16 PDT Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 08:22:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo at 1240 WOON? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio No, WOON sold its FM off years ago. They are not "Hot 106" WWKX. 73, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun May 05 12:02:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 5 May 2002 19:02:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 63629 invoked from network); 5 May 2002 19:02:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2002 19:02:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2002 19:02:27 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-167.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.167]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g45J1Cdj008926 for ; Sun, 5 May 2002 14:01:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001501c1f467$92fc4660$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020504062021.38636.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo at 1240 WOON? Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 14:03:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude AM doesn't have subcarriers. You sure you heard him (or perhaps he heard you) right? ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Rogers > I think I am the only local to WOON, and I talked to > the owner back in March/April and he said the same > thing to me as to Kevin except that he said that he > would have to give up his subcarrier services to go > back to stereo. From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun May 05 12:05:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 5 May 2002 19:05:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 40353 invoked from network); 5 May 2002 19:05:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2002 19:05:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2002 19:05:06 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-167.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.167]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g45J3mdj009304 for ; Sun, 5 May 2002 14:03:49 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002301c1f467$efed4e00$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020504124809.56103.qmail@web11702.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo at 1240 WOON? Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 14:06:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude That's low enough I wouldn't think they'd interferewith each other. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Rogers To: Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 7:48 AM Subject: RE: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo at 1240 WOON? > From what I've heard, there is a sub-carrier at about > 5Hz that was used to turn heavy machinery on and off. > I've seen something about AM subcarriers in the F.C.C. > rules, but have never heard of a station using them > before WOON. > > 73, > Jay,N1WVQ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness > http://health.yahoo.com > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun May 05 12:10:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 5 May 2002 19:10:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 63348 invoked from network); 5 May 2002 19:10:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2002 19:10:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2002 19:10:19 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-167.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.167]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g45J95dj010067 for ; Sun, 5 May 2002 14:09:06 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004101c1f468$acc2aca0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 2003 Cadillac XM radio = AM Stereo? Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 14:11:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Did you readjust the trimmer on your car radio (assuming it had one?) ST ----- Original Message ----- From: . Narkspud > Several years ago I had a little Radio Shack gadget that fed channels 2 - 13 > to the AM band. Sound quality was atrocious. You had to hook it up inline > with the car's antenna, and it significantly reduced the signal strength on > AM and FM. From dave_m1ctk@yahoo.co.uk Sun May 05 12:43:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dave_m1ctk@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 5 May 2002 19:43:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 57583 invoked from network); 5 May 2002 19:43:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2002 19:43:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2002 19:43:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2002 19:43:53 -0000 Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 19:43:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sony ST-JX220a b/w for wide IF setting ? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 577 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" X-Originating-IP: 217.148.40.152 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=70214876 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan No this is the frequency response (only up to 8 / 7.5khz ?) I'm meaning the wide bandwidth setting in 'wide' mode. Anyway I guesstimate 15mhz if not a little more --- In amstereoforum@y..., "matt_haw2000" wrote: > The specs for the unit in the manual (Thanks Ian!) state that the > Canadian version is 40Hz-8kHz while the Australian version is only > 40Hz-7.5kHz. > > MattH > > --- In amstereoforum@y..., "amstereofan" wrote: > > Was the Aussie version made wider to allow for their apparent 15 - > > 18khz specs for bandwidth ? 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Snyder Oldphones@ webtv. net (402) 593-6841 I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sun May 05 12:58:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 48768 invoked from network); 5 May 2002 19:58:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2002 19:58:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2002 19:58:05 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2002 19:58:05 -0000 Date: 5 May 2002 19:58:03 -0000 Message-ID: <1020628683.273750.94428.w28@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /KFAB Omaha Dec 1985.mp3 Uploaded by : amstereofan Description : Short recording of KFAB from Dec 1985 with mention of am stereo You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/KFAB%20Omaha%20Dec%201985.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, amstereofan From amfmguy@yahoo.com Sun May 05 13:49:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmguy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 5 May 2002 20:49:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 73576 invoked from network); 5 May 2002 20:49:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2002 20:49:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2002 20:49:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2002 20:49:38 -0000 Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 20:49:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Regarding CIGM Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 729 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amfmguy" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.235.194 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97335768 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy I will be conducting some testing of our FTA-100 AM-stereo tuner from here in Brampton ON. I should be able to pick up Barrie from here. In any event, I will call them and let you know. It has been a real disappointment for us that "1050 CHUM" dumped its stereo "oldies" format in place of a mono sports format. They're going up against two other AM venues in Toronto to do this. As you might know, CHWO is now using the CBC's 740 site in Hornby ON, for their very popular "oldies" format. I'm hoping the incentive can be provided for them to go stereo. However, CBC was not very stereo receptive for their TV sations, so it follows they would not have installed a C-QUAM xmitter for CBL (740) either. Cheers, Marv From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Sun May 05 15:01:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 5 May 2002 22:01:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 58410 invoked from network); 5 May 2002 22:01:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2002 22:01:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2002 22:01:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2002 22:01:20 -0000 Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 22:01:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Regarding CIGM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1390 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.142.198.27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 CIGM broadcasts from Sudbury. I live 20 minutes north of Barrie and CIGM comes in clearly during both the day and night. CBC/SRC for some reason does not believe in Stereo! CBLT Toronto (Ch 5) is the ONLY CBC station that broadcasts in Stereo. All the others are mono. All the CBC Radio One/SRC Premiere Chaine stations are mono on both AM AND FM!! Even 99.1 was stereo for a while but has since reverted to Mono. CBC has a crazy amount of transmitters though. Ican get CBC R1 on 5 stations in my immediate area; 2 CBC R2, 2 SRC PC and 1 SRC CC MattH --- In amstereoforum@y..., "amfmguy" wrote: > I will be conducting some testing of our FTA-100 AM-stereo tuner from > here in Brampton ON. I should be able to pick up Barrie from here. In > any event, I will call them and let you know. > > It has been a real disappointment for us that "1050 CHUM" dumped its > stereo "oldies" format in place of a mono sports format. They're > going up against two other AM venues in Toronto to do this. > > As you might know, CHWO is now using the CBC's 740 site in Hornby ON, > for their very popular "oldies" format. I'm hoping the incentive can > be provided for them to go stereo. However, CBC was not very stereo > receptive for their TV sations, so it follows they would not have > installed a C-QUAM xmitter for CBL (740) either. > > Cheers, > > Marv From narkspud@hotmail.com Sun May 05 16:18:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 5 May 2002 23:18:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 81726 invoked from network); 5 May 2002 23:18:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2002 23:18:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.219) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2002 23:18:30 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 5 May 2002 16:18:30 -0700 Received: from 67.224.23.253 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 05 May 2002 23:18:30 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 2003 Cadillac XM radio = AM Stereo? Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 16:18:30 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 May 2002 23:18:30.0490 (UTC) FILETIME=[2B2A2BA0:01C1F48B] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.224.23.253] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud I was but a wee bairn at the time, and didn't adjust anything. Just plugged 'er in as per instructions. narkspud >From: "Scott Todd" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 2003 Cadillac XM radio = AM Stereo? >Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 14:11:32 -0500 > >Did you readjust the trimmer on your car radio (assuming it had one?) >ST >----- Original Message ----- >From: . Narkspud > > > Several years ago I had a little Radio Shack gadget that fed channels 2 >- >13 > > to the AM band. Sound quality was atrocious. You had to hook it up >inline > > with the car's antenna, and it significantly reduced the signal strength >on > > AM and FM. > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From bryancain57@yahoo.com Sun May 05 16:44:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: bryancain57@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 5 May 2002 23:44:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 25450 invoked from network); 5 May 2002 23:44:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2002 23:44:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2002 23:44:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2002 23:44:48 -0000 Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 23:44:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: VOA to Market AM to Arab World Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 747 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bryancain57" X-Originating-IP: 63.188.67.79 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=111365738 X-Yahoo-Profile: bryancain57 The Feds are combatting Al-Jazeera TV and others by switching to AM and FM broadcasting to an under-25 ,musically inclined market and getting away from unpopular shortwave. Digital satellite will also be employed.Radio SAWA, which means "together" in Arabic, will target those enjoying American artists and will add frequent news segments that might bend an ear toward US support.Norman Pattiz, founder of WESTWOOD ONE, is Federally appointed to run the show. It already is broadcasting on 98.1 FM in Jordan, and 95.7 FM in Kuwait. High power AM is planned as well.Maybe some AMS to refine those American rock tunes! SAT broadcasting on NILESAT, ARABSAT and EUTELSAT HOTBIRD.RAY>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From mmalm@btinet.net Sun May 05 20:43:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mmalm@btinet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 6 May 2002 03:43:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 42233 invoked from network); 6 May 2002 03:43:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2002 03:43:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2002 03:43:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2002 03:43:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 03:43:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Chrysler Infinity radios Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 405 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "n0faz" X-Originating-IP: 12.15.122.219 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83590293 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0faz Hi all, I've been watching some Chrysler Infinity car stereos on ebay. I have a 94 caravan that I would like to install one of these gems in. It currently has a cassete/AM-FM stereo, but no AM stereo. I'd like to pick up one of the Infinity models with CD and AM stereo. My question is do I also need the Infinity amp to make this work? I don't think my current setup has an external amp. Mark From dav259@csiro.au Mon May 06 01:19:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 6 May 2002 08:19:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 56409 invoked from network); 6 May 2002 08:19:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2002 08:19:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2002 08:19:10 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA26987 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 18:19:08 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 18:19:08 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: AMS radios Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Chris Could you supply 30 or 60 AMS radios which 3MP could give away to listeners? If so - what exactly would they be? - and how much would they cost? I just heard today that DCL - recent owners of 3AK and 3MP are building new studios in Richmond (the most common town name in Oz ... perhaps the world). Both stations will be moving in from their respective current studios. In the present climate you'd expect they'd be imbeciles not to at least wire the studios up for stereo. Since taking over 3AK DCL has trippled its ratings though there is still a long way to go with Talk 1116. But the 3MP story is sorry and sad. It's now rating the lowest it ever has since its inception in 1975. This has been a gradual but continuous downslide since it topped the Melbourne ratings only eight years ago - beating the FM music stations and the heavyweight news/talk stations. The CEO of DCL seems a real goer. As he's had a fair amount of success with 3AK it's about time he had a good look at 3MP - which they bought a few months ago. I've never tried to bug him much but he has always responded to my messages. I'm about to write him a lengthy submission in an attempt to kick start 3MP in the ratings race. I get the feeling he loves free publicity as he loves getting his name in the papers (for all the right reasons). I also get the feeling that DCL is a bit cash-strapped. They might be responsive to a gimmick. And the gimmick would be - once they flick the switches on at their new studios they relaunch as "Easy Music - Stereo 3MP". And the only way I can see them doing that is to give away some AMS radios. Say one a day for a month - or preferably two months. The best option would be for DCL to contact Sony and try and get a batch of (say) 5,000 SRF-42s made for them to give away. If they could get Sydney's 2CH involved (they are not financially connected but have enough similarities - and are sharing network news items) maybe the Sony batch could be 10,000. Do you reckon Sony would make a batch of these wonderful cheap radios if 10,000 were ordered? If 3MP moves into their new Richmond studios and remains "pilot only" I think they'll be almost lost to our cause. Ian IAAAS Headquarters Melbourne From amfmguy@yahoo.com Mon May 06 09:33:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmguy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 6 May 2002 16:33:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 80902 invoked from network); 6 May 2002 16:33:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2002 16:33:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14804.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.224.220) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2002 16:33:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20020506163323.41443.qmail@web14804.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.56.233.112] by web14804.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 06 May 2002 09:33:23 PDT Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 09:33:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Clear Channel says no to IBOC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marv Southcott X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97335768 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jsgilst wrote: --- In amstereoforum@y..., Ian Davidson wrote: > > In-Band-On-Channel digital radio is a hot topic at the NAB 2002 > convention, but Clear Channel SVP/Capital Management Bill Suffa isn't > convinced it's a good idea -- R&R reports he told a Tuesday session > that daytime-only IBOC, as endorsed by the NRSC recently, is the > "death knell" for AM radio and that several financial issues are > blocking IBOC's implementation in America. > > etc ... Now that clear channel is starting to see the true colors of IBOC on AM maybe they will reconsider C-QuAM at least for their music stations. Perhaps we should write a formal letter to them touting the benefits of going stereo and show them that analog AMS is not dead and there is demand for it. Whether this will do any good or not I don't know but we should express a more positive additude towards CC during this period while they rethink the IBOC issue. I think they would look at C-QuAM again if we could convince them that it would increase their profits for those stations with music and that there really is no viable alternative at this time. I've been away from the list for awhile also as I've been busy doing other things. I've also been tossing around some designs in my head for a pocket portable radio with the MC13024 and would like to have more discussion here on the topic. In looking for a case I ran across a plastic Sucrets box with a transparent window where the dial could be viewed. This would be OK to build a prototype in to test the circuit and maybe small quantities. JSG I may be way off base here, but with Clear Channel already invested in XM (according to RW), why would they endorse IBOC? XM is said to be setting up terrestrial translators and inserting local content. M. Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jsgil@hal-pc.org Mon May 06 10:45:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 6 May 2002 17:45:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 35141 invoked from network); 6 May 2002 17:45:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2002 17:45:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2002 17:45:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2002 17:45:27 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 17:45:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Clear Channel says no to IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020506163323.41443.qmail@web14804.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 469 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.130.41 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., Marv Southcott wrote: > > I may be way off base here, but with Clear Channel already invested in XM (according to RW), why would they endorse IBOC? XM is said to be setting up terrestrial translators and inserting local content. > > M. > They are listed as one of the investors on the Ibiquity website. From what I've heard they are one of the bigger investors. http://www.ibiquity.com/navframe.html?05content.html JSG From ccuff@in4web.com Mon May 06 13:13:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 6 May 2002 20:13:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 4426 invoked from network); 6 May 2002 20:13:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2002 20:13:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2002 20:13:42 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.89]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.224) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 16:14:34 -0400 Message-ID: <001201c1f53a$a843abc0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS radios Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 16:14:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Ian wrote: > Chris > > Could you supply 30 or 60 AMS radios which 3MP could give away to > listeners? If so - what exactly would they be? - and how much would they > cost? > As I addressed the list before, I no longer am able to build any more radios. I want to find someone that wants to buy all of the parts and boards I have : For example, I have over 400 MC13028 IC's, SMD, about 400 TA 8124 Standard DIP decoder IC's, probably 4 to 5 hundred 3.6 Mhz resonators, as well as 300 or so MC13028 decoder boards (raw boards, plated) And 200 or so of my new AM stereo / Fm stereo radio boards. There is a LOT more, as well as documentation, working prototypes, etc. First REASONABLE offer gets everything. (my cost for all this stuff was nearly $5000.00, not even taking my years of development time into consideration) This is an all or nothing, no "time payments" sale offer. My collection of radios and boomboxes are also being sold off- let me know what you want in these. Chris From n0uiheric@aol.com Mon May 06 20:03:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 7 May 2002 03:03:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 56450 invoked from network); 7 May 2002 03:03:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2002 03:03:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2002 03:03:23 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.156.d7f2136 (3892) for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 22:59:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <156.d7f2136.2a089cf7@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 22:59:03 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Clear Channel says no to IBOC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih I don't think Clear Channel will ever embrace AM Stereo, knowing how horribly cheap they are. They would be better selling ALL of their AM and TV stations, and being FM-only. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From groucho@skyweb.net Tue May 07 15:05:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 7 May 2002 22:05:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 4983 invoked from network); 7 May 2002 22:05:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2002 22:05:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2002 22:05:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2002 22:05:22 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 22:05:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WTTM 1680 am Stereo Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1970 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "cozy659" X-Originating-IP: 66.6.132.253 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Hello all: let me introduce myself. I am New to this group. my name is Neal Newman I am the NEW Chief Engineer for WTTM 1680 am In Princeton,NJ as of the First of May WTTM and WHWH were sold to Multicultural Braodcasting from Nassau Broadcasting. WHWH is still an LMA to Nassau. on the First of May at 12:40am I made the switch over from from ESPN to the New format which is Ethnic South Asian( Indian)EBCRADIO with Our studios in Metuchen,New Jersey. we Used to be on 89.3fm in hazlet ,but there is a long story to tell there, watch for FCC news about this in the Comming months hehehe... I also connected the Harris Stereo Generator at that Time with a temporary Mono feed.It will take over a Month For verizon to bring in the new Lines. 2 days later my New Boss(director of engineering) came to inspect the transmitter site. The First thing he did was remove the Stereo generator,and put it in the Closet.. That really ticked me off. Now hes planing on removing My 9100 series Stereo AM optimod this week and replacing it with a NEW 9200 series mono digital optimod. Thats ok as long as he does not take my 9100 back to his Office and places that in the closet as well..If Not I will have to get a second 9200. lol I have to make him happy for the meantime since Im new with the Company. But I am hoping that By the End of the summer to be back as a Stereo Am station if I can Help it... My doors are always open For questions and Visits.. to see the tranmitter site I placed Pics on my webpage.. at http://www.angelfire.com/indie/Engineer/wttm.html I can always be reached at My Cell # 732-740-8811 I have no problem with getting calls as long as its not salesman with a pitch.... The stations Website is http://www.ebcmusic.com with live streaming... Respectfully Neal Newman-ka2caf Chief Engineer WTTM 1680 am Princeton,New Jersey U.S.A Americas First Commercial South Asian Radio Station a Multicultural Broadcasting station/EBCradio inc. From dav259@csiro.au Tue May 07 16:50:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 7 May 2002 23:50:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 43623 invoked from network); 7 May 2002 23:50:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2002 23:50:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2002 23:50:44 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22744 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 09:50:42 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 09:50:42 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTM 1680 am Stereo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Tue, 7 May 2002, cozy659 wrote: > 2 days later my New Boss(director of engineering) came to inspect the > transmitter site. The First thing he did was remove the Stereo > generator,and put it in the Closet.. That really ticked me off. Welcome aboard Neal. Is that why you call yourself "groucho"? :) Ian - Melbourne [I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members. - Groucho Marx] From groucho@skyweb.net Tue May 07 17:04:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 8 May 2002 00:04:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 31404 invoked from network); 8 May 2002 00:04:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2002 00:04:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2002 00:04:12 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g4804QEv070186 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 20:04:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3CD86A98.29D22D8A@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 20:00:25 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTM 1680 am Stereo References: From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit actually I have been told I look like Groucho Marx do a good imitation of Him too. now that's 2 bits you owe me Neal Ian Davidson wrote: > On Tue, 7 May 2002, cozy659 wrote: > > > 2 days later my New Boss(director of engineering) came to inspect > the > > transmitter site. The First thing he did was remove the Stereo > > generator,and put it in the Closet.. That really ticked me off. > > Welcome aboard Neal. > > Is that why you call yourself "groucho"? :) > > Ian - Melbourne > > [I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as > members. - Groucho Marx] > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue May 07 18:35:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 8 May 2002 01:35:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 11408 invoked from network); 8 May 2002 01:35:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2002 01:35:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2002 01:35:56 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-253.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.253]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g481YOdj012713 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 20:34:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <005301c1f630$e429eae0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Chrysler Infinity radios Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 20:37:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Not all of them required an external amp. I've got a 93 that is fully contained (though needs service.) ST ----- Original Message ----- From: n0faz > Hi all, I've been watching some Chrysler Infinity car stereos on > ebay. My question is do I also need the Infinity amp to make this > work? I don't think my current setup has an external amp. > > Mark > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue May 07 18:38:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 8 May 2002 01:38:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 36746 invoked from network); 8 May 2002 01:38:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2002 01:38:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2002 01:38:45 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-253.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.253]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g481bRdj013239 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 20:37:28 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <005f01c1f631$48ce6200$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020506163323.41443.qmail@web14804.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Clear Channel says no to IBOC Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 20:39:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Actually they're heavily invested in both. I'd say they were hedging their bets in hopes that one or the other would be profitable. What with all their FM holdings and the miserable test results of IBOC AM, I predict they'll campaign for sunsetting the AM band and then they'd really have a lock on the broadcast markets. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Marv Southcott > I may be way off base here, but with Clear Channel already invested in XM (according to RW), why would they endorse IBOC? XM is said to be setting up terrestrial translators and inserting local content. > > M. From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue May 07 18:43:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 8 May 2002 01:43:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 72664 invoked from network); 8 May 2002 01:43:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2002 01:43:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2002 01:43:52 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-253.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.253]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g481gZdj014074 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 20:42:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <006d01c1f632$002afee0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTM 1680 am Stereo Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 20:45:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Welcome to the group, Neil. We need more folks like you. One of these years, if I can get a hold of enough equipment, will be to make one of my stations stereo as well. Unfortunately I'm starting from scratch (totally mono, save the consoles) here. I always thought Multicultural was an AM stereo friendly company. What's with the new pro mono position? Tell you what you can do with that 9200- sell it in the trades and get yourself an Omnia AM-3. They cost a bit less than the 9200 and are AMS! Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: cozy659 > 2 days later my New Boss(director of engineering) came to inspect the > transmitter site. The First thing he did was remove the Stereo > generator,and put it in the Closet.. That really ticked me off. Now > hes planing on removing My 9100 series Stereo AM optimod this week > and replacing it with a NEW > 9200 series mono digital optimod. Thats ok as long as he does not take > my 9100 back to his Office and places that in the closet as well..If From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue May 07 18:48:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 8 May 2002 01:48:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 83561 invoked from network); 8 May 2002 01:48:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2002 01:48:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2002 01:48:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20020508014851.38880.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.190] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 May 2002 18:48:51 PDT Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 18:48:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: re: WTTM 1680 am Stereo To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio What can we do to help you with the AM Stereo cause with your boss? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From groucho@skyweb.net Tue May 07 19:05:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 8 May 2002 02:05:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 68066 invoked from network); 8 May 2002 02:05:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2002 02:05:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2002 02:05:43 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g48265Ev084699 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 22:06:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3CD8871B.2B0E98F8@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 22:02:04 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} re: WTTM 1680 am Stereo References: <20020508014851.38880.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 at this point nothing... after another week or 2 he wont be coming around for a while.since its a New station he has to put his hands on its Ive been told by other engineers that work for the company..then its all Mine. at that point I can then put the generator back online... with the mono feed. until the New lines get installed.. I will deal with it.. what I am courious about is sister stations WPATand WNSW or WDJM in North jersey.. I hear that they are AM Stereo However while I visited the NY office I didn't see anything that would indicate that they were stereo. can someone fill me in...from what Ive met of my new boss He does not believe in AM Stereo..judging what he did at my site.. he seems like a nice enough guy He's a bit.tough to communicate with since he speaks little english through his korean accent.. I have no problem with him. Johnny Electron wrote: > What can we do to help you with the AM Stereo cause with your boss? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness > http://health.yahoo.com > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. From groucho@skyweb.net Tue May 07 19:26:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 8 May 2002 02:26:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 14381 invoked from network); 8 May 2002 02:26:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2002 02:26:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2002 02:26:41 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g482R3Ev086983 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 22:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3CD88C05.BB4AD9D6@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 22:23:02 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTM 1680 am Stereo References: <006d01c1f632$002afee0$d3a9fea9@me> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Thanks Scott what station are you at? Its funny.. I was the Engineer for EBCRadio WCNJ 89.3fm in hazlet,NJ till February during a Hostile take-over by one of the old partners To much to get into here but it was a MONO 10 watt station Before we Got WTTM 1680 am. and when I was told it was an AM STEREO station the very first thing I did was remove the old GATESWAY mono Console. and install a NEW Radio systems stereo console as can be seen at my website. http://www.angelfire.com/indie/Engineer/wttm.html so I can Be stereo.. I knew to order the new broadcast feeds 2 moths before the switch.because I know how long it takes verizon do do anything.. Needless to say I was told not to order the lines until the Deal was sealed.. that was 24 hours before the switch.. so I had to make a temporary feed Connection that's why MONO. for now. I 'm still waiting for Verizon to install the lines. and after they Do I sure hope they work.. its copper.. Not Fiber like I wanted.. so RF is flying Everywhere... I think that He thinks with a Mono Feed its not worth putting the Pilot On.. He says adding the stereo Gen. at this point would just add noise to the signal.and decrease the coverage area.... He may or may Not be correct about this...for the First few Nights I first started listening to the frequency .. all I was Hearing was the Jamming station in Ada MI... don't know If they forgot to lower the power at night or what was going On..Told the Boss about it. and since I have Not Heard them... But started hearing WTIR down in Fla really strong at night...still Do... I live 20 Miles from My TX site. and its Fighting with the FLA Station.. I know I lower My power Down to the 1 kW at sunset. But I wonder if the Others Do?. I was told it was going top be a 9200 Bt Until I see it. I don't know for sure Yeah an AM-3 would be nice...BTW Im down To a TFT Modulation Meter..mono of course.. I had a Delta Electronics Stereo Meter in the rack But it was Dead... I shipped it out for repair I just Hope I get it back...and not the main Office.. look at Me Im complaining already LOL..... I had asked about why Not stereo.. He said its Not FCC mandated.. I thought it was on the expanded band.. Ill keep you updated... Neal Scott Todd wrote: > Welcome to the group, Neil. We need more folks like you. One of > these > years, if I can get a hold of enough equipment, will be to make one of > my > stations stereo as well. Unfortunately I'm starting from scratch > (totally > mono, save the consoles) here. I always thought Multicultural was an > AM > stereo friendly company. What's with the new pro mono position? Tell > you > what you can do with that 9200- sell it in the trades and get yourself > an > Omnia AM-3. They cost a bit less than the 9200 and are AMS! > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: cozy659 > > > 2 days later my New Boss(director of engineering) came to inspect > the > > transmitter site. The First thing he did was remove the Stereo > > generator,and put it in the Closet.. That really ticked me off. Now > > hes planing on removing My 9100 series Stereo AM optimod this week > > and replacing it with a NEW > > 9200 series mono digital optimod. Thats ok as long as he does not > take > > my 9100 back to his Office and places that in the closet as well..If > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. From rjskadl@yahoo.com Tue May 07 20:39:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 8 May 2002 03:39:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 96526 invoked from network); 8 May 2002 03:39:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2002 03:39:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2002 03:39:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2002 03:39:51 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 03:39:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WTTM 1680 am Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1586 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl The chief engineer for Multicultural is a Korean American man by the name of Harold Chon. He is an interesting man. He knows a lot about engineering. I worked under him at a station on Long Island. He taught me a lot of neat things about engineering. As good an engineer as he is, a processing wiz he is not though. We were playing CHR music. He pulled out the CRL Processing and replaced it with an Optimod 9000! The intention was that it was temporary and that eventually we would get a new 9100 and go stereo, but it just never happened. The CHR format ended, and now the station is being run by Grace Communications via an LMA. Grace communications was able to obtain a Gregg Labs processor which is now in service and the old optimod 9000 is out of service sitting at the bottom of the rack. The best processor for AM stereo (or even AM mono) in my opinion is the Omnia 3AM. This box blows everything else away. And supposedly now Omnia has come out with an Omnia 4.5AM. The omnia will do AM stereo for you. It is half the price of the new Optimods (which are mono only) and sounds 10 times better! So if you are able to get a new processor this is what I highly reccomend! Bob Orban has written off AM Stereo. They still make the 9100 available so that stations that want to be bothered with stereo can do so, but there will be no further AM processors from Orban in Stereo. I disagree with that philosophy, which is what made us turn to the omnia in the first place. But even in mono, the Orbans just don't stack up to the Omnias. From groucho@skyweb.net Tue May 07 21:04:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 8 May 2002 04:04:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 99682 invoked from network); 8 May 2002 04:04:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2002 04:04:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2002 04:04:07 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g4844TEv098432 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 00:04:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3CD8A2DA.DBE0362F@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 00:00:27 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WTTM 1680 am Stereo References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 well If Your Referring to WNYG 1440 in babylon I used to work there about 15 years ago...when it was called 1440 New York Gold.. great little station. My Mother in-law lives10 Mins from there.. I still stop in Every once in awhile.. I also used to maintain a few high school fm stations Out there... WXBA brentwood and WPOB plainedge-oldbethpage.and was the Chief of a small 10 watt station in Dix hills that was called WHHJ if I remember correctly Now a religious station Owned by family radio.on the old TV 67 WSNL tower.is on that Freq..WHHJ used to be on a 100 foot tower at the half Hollow hills Public library.... I tried to start a station for 5 towns college where I used to work..and found out they recently acquired an FM station. dam its about time... and yes you are Correct about Harold 100% it seems most of the guys under him Pick on him..Not me...Hes ok in My book so far then again Im new with the Company. But I have noticed his quirks.. Perfectionist that he is..as For the language barrier.. Hell if I can understand the Indians... speaking in Hindu...his English is Not that bad.. I was also at WGBB Freeport when it was a Susquehanna station... you still in radio? I recently heard that a station I maintained out in westhampton Beach is Being sold and changing Format... Country Y107.... Neal rjskadl wrote: > The chief engineer for Multicultural is a Korean American man by the > name of Harold Chon. He is an interesting man. He knows a lot about > engineering. I worked under him at a station on Long Island. He > taught me a lot of neat things about engineering. As good an > engineer as he is, a processing wiz he is not though. We were > playing CHR music. He pulled out the CRL Processing and replaced it > with an Optimod 9000! The intention was that it was temporary and > that eventually we would get a new 9100 and go stereo, but it just > never happened. The CHR format ended, and now the station is being > run by Grace Communications via an LMA. Grace communications was > able to obtain a Gregg Labs processor which is now in service and the > old optimod 9000 is out of service sitting at the bottom of the > rack. > > The best processor for AM stereo (or even AM mono) in my opinion is > the Omnia 3AM. This box blows everything else away. And supposedly > now Omnia has come out with an Omnia 4.5AM. The omnia will do AM > stereo for you. It is half the price of the new Optimods (which are > mono only) and sounds 10 times better! So if you are able to get a > new processor this is what I highly reccomend! > > Bob Orban has written off AM Stereo. They still make the 9100 > available so that stations that want to be bothered with stereo can > do so, but there will be no further AM processors from Orban in > Stereo. I disagree with that philosophy, which is what made us turn > to the omnia in the first place. But even in mono, the Orbans just > don't stack up to the Omnias. > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue May 07 21:04:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 8 May 2002 04:04:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 80003 invoked from network); 8 May 2002 04:04:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2002 04:04:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web13802.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.175.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2002 04:04:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20020508040408.35368.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.192.79.172] by web13802.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 May 2002 21:04:08 PDT Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 21:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 1680 WTTM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Kevin Tekel X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics 1680 WTTM in Princeton, NJ recently switched from ESPN Radio to a unqiue Asian Indian ethnic format and from this e-mail, it seems that there is some hope it may return to AM Stereo broadcasting. --- Neal Newman wrote: > Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 17:00:01 -0400 > From: Neal Newman > To: kevtronics@yahoo.com > Subject: AM Stereo > > I am making the assumsion that Your name is Kevin based on the Email > address > My name is Neal Newman > I am the New Chief Engineer of WTTM 1680 am in Princeton, New Jersey > our format is Ethnic, South Asian( Indian) > at this time I am awaiting my Boss( director of engineering ) to stop > playing around at my transmitter site So I can do what I have to.. for a > short Time period. we will be running in Mono because I only have a > temporary mono feed. But planning on getting a second feed from the > studio to the transmitter site that we took over on the First of the > month..and I plan on Turning back on the Stereo Generator.... > The night I made the switch over I turned it on with a mono Feed.. > however My Boss does not like Stereo and the first thing he did was > remove the stereo Generator > from the rack.and put it in my storage closet. Trust me that will not > last long.. > he is planning on removing my old 9100 series Stereo optimod and > replacing it with a Mono digital 9200 series this week.. He's driving > me Nuts.. I cannot wait till he's gone.. WTTM will again be Stereo Am > before the End of the summer if I can help it. we are running a Harris > DX-10 transmitter and Harris stereo Generator.the old owners Turned off > the Generator to test IBOC.. > WTTM is a sister station of WPAT,WNSW and WJDM.,WHWH > all owned by Multicultural Broadcasting... > Pictures of the transmitter site can Be found on My page > http://www.angelfire.com/indie/Engineer/wttm.html > Please add WTTM to your List of AM stereo stations... > thanks In advance > Neal Newman > Chief Engineer > WTTM 1680 am Princeton,NJ > America's First Commercial South Asian Radio Station __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue May 07 21:16:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 8 May 2002 04:16:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 46908 invoked from network); 8 May 2002 04:16:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2002 04:16:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2002 04:16:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2002 04:16:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 04:16:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1680 WTTM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020508040408.35368.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 805 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.172 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Okay, sorry, I was posting this "blind" and did not know that Mr. Newman had already posted a similar message to the group. In fact, I've been quite distracted these past few days because of various things, including a used Macintosh computer which I acquired for $10 which I am having lots of fun with. I am a PC user so I'm catching up on all the neat Mac stuff I missed over the past decade! Also, in other news, Geocities has shut down the Kevtronics web space for the *second* time in its history... I think I am getting the message that they don't like sites which have MP3 files available for download. I do have another server to use, but in the meantime until the files can be copied over, this means the AM Stereo MP3 Sound site will not have any of its files working for download. From groucho@skyweb.net Tue May 07 21:23:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 8 May 2002 04:23:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 24549 invoked from network); 8 May 2002 04:23:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2002 04:23:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2002 04:23:25 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g484NOEv000320 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 00:23:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3CD8A749.48B79D68@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 00:19:21 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 1680 WTTM References: From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit that's ok kevin Neal kevtronics wrote: > Okay, sorry, I was posting this "blind" and did not know that > Mr. Newman had already posted a similar message to the group. > > In fact, I've been quite distracted these past few days because of > various things, including a used Macintosh computer which I acquired > for $10 which I am having lots of fun with. I am a PC user so I'm > catching up on all the neat Mac stuff I missed over the past decade! > > Also, in other news, Geocities has shut down the Kevtronics web space > for the *second* time in its history... I think I am getting the > message that they don't like sites which have MP3 files available for > download. I do have another server to use, but in the meantime until > the files can be copied over, this means the AM Stereo MP3 Sound site > will not have any of its files working for download. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue May 07 21:35:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 8 May 2002 04:35:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 42348 invoked from network); 8 May 2002 04:35:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2002 04:35:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2002 04:35:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2002 04:35:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 04:35:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: re: WTTM 1680 am Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3CD8871B.2B0E98F8@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2377 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.172 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > what I am courious about is sister stations WPAT and WNSW or WDJM > in North jersey.. I hear that they are AM Stereo However while I > visited the NY office I didn't see anything that would indicate > that they were stereo. can someone fill me in... WPAT 930 is full AM STEREO and sounds excellent on the air -- they were one of the first New Jersey stations to switch to Stereo and they still support it. They even ID on the air as "WPAT, 930 AM STEREO" (or "Nueve Trienta 'Ah-Emay' Estereo" in Spanish). Sometimes when WPAT has no buyer for a brokered time slot, or are having technical difficulties, they run a continuous mix of music from a CD changer and it is broadcast with full STEREO sound. I heard them doing that this morning and it sounded great -- they were playing Smooth Jazz music. WNSW 1430 was in AM Stereo until about March of this year. Since April 2001 they had been running a Chinese format but then they switched places with the Korean format (formerly on WZRC 1480) and the Stereo was turned off. I never really heard true Stereo from them in the months before it was turned off so maybe they discontinued the Stereo STL from the 449 Broadway studios in NYC to cut costs and maybe that's why the Stereo exciter was shut off. As for 1530 WJDM, I thought they were owned by Radio Unica (owners of 1660 WWRU), but regardless of who owns them, they're also not Stereo anymore! For many years they were a great sounding AM Stereo station. They kept it on after switching to a Spanish Religious format and they would run the background music (playing underneath the preacher) in Stereo and it sounded excellent. But without warning they became another 2002 casualty of AM Stereo in the NYC area, which totally does not make sense because now they are Spanish Music which would greatly benefit from Stereo sound. BTW, I checked out your site and it is interesting to see that 1680 WTTM shares a transmitter site with 1350 WHWH. Have you checked to see if WHWH still has any AM Stereo equipment left? They shut it off back in 1996 or so, a few months after switching from Adult Contemporary music to a syndicated Nostalgia music format. This was totally stupid because it was still a music format, and they even played IDs on the air calling themselves "WHWH 1350 AM STEREO" even after the Stereo was shut off!! From groucho@skyweb.net Tue May 07 21:46:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 8 May 2002 04:46:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 12927 invoked from network); 8 May 2002 04:46:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2002 04:46:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2002 04:46:23 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g484kaEv002590 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 00:46:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3CD8ACB8.39A271C@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 00:42:33 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: re: WTTM 1680 am Stereo References: From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the Only Equipment I found on the shelf in the closet for WHWH was a motorola C-Quam Modulation Meter.. so I did know from that they were once stereo.. that's it.. If you look at the Processing Rack the grey unit just above the Keyboard.. that's the harris Stereo generator.. at the Bottom of the rack is a Smart caster that breaks in On the hour with the Legal ID.. and the sunday morning Programming that runs between 6 am and 6:30 am to full fill the stations public service requirements.... that's interesting.. I may have to take a ride over to WPAT? do you know where their studios are? or is it at the transmitter site? I was at master Control last week at 449 Broadway to Pick up some gear. and didn't notice a stereo monitor For WPAT.. all the other stations have the same TFT that I have.. that is Until I get My Delta Electronics ASM-1 back from repair... Neal BTW I tried the Chat on the newsgroup in both explorer and netscape and the chat screen seems cut off.. do you work For a station kevin? Neal kevtronics wrote: > > what I am courious about is sister stations WPAT and WNSW or WDJM > > in North jersey.. I hear that they are AM Stereo However while I > > visited the NY office I didn't see anything that would indicate > > that they were stereo. can someone fill me in... > > WPAT 930 is full AM STEREO and sounds excellent on the air -- they > were one of the first New Jersey stations to switch to Stereo and they > > still support it. They even ID on the air as "WPAT, 930 AM STEREO" > (or "Nueve Trienta 'Ah-Emay' Estereo" in Spanish). Sometimes when > WPAT has no buyer for a brokered time slot, or are having technical > difficulties, they run a continuous mix of music from a CD changer and > > it is broadcast with full STEREO sound. I heard them doing that this > morning and it sounded great -- they were playing Smooth Jazz music. > > WNSW 1430 was in AM Stereo until about March of this year. Since > April 2001 they had been running a Chinese format but then they > switched places with the Korean format (formerly on WZRC 1480) and the > > Stereo was turned off. I never really heard true Stereo from them in > the months before it was turned off so maybe they discontinued the > Stereo STL from the 449 Broadway studios in NYC to cut costs and maybe > > that's why the Stereo exciter was shut off. > > As for 1530 WJDM, I thought they were owned by Radio Unica (owners of > 1660 WWRU), but regardless of who owns them, they're also not Stereo > anymore! For many years they were a great sounding AM Stereo station. > > They kept it on after switching to a Spanish Religious format and they > > would run the background music (playing underneath the preacher) in > Stereo and it sounded excellent. But without warning they became > another 2002 casualty of AM Stereo in the NYC area, which totally does > > not make sense because now they are Spanish Music which would greatly > benefit from Stereo sound. > > BTW, I checked out your site and it is interesting to see that 1680 > WTTM shares a transmitter site with 1350 WHWH. Have you checked to > see if WHWH still has any AM Stereo equipment left? They shut it off > back in 1996 or so, a few months after switching from Adult > Contemporary music to a syndicated Nostalgia music format. This was > totally stupid because it was still a music format, and they even > played IDs on the air calling themselves "WHWH 1350 AM STEREO" even > after the Stereo was shut off!! > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmdx@fastq.com Tue May 07 23:40:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 8 May 2002 06:40:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 63936 invoked from network); 8 May 2002 06:40:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2002 06:40:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2002 06:40:39 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d154-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.186]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g486ecn60064 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 23:40:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <009b01c1f65b$0c58fd60$baf9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <006d01c1f632$002afee0$d3a9fea9@me> <3CD88C05.BB4AD9D6@skyweb.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTM 1680 am Stereo Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 23:39:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > He says adding the stereo Gen. at this point would just add noise > to the signal.and decrease the coverage area.... Neal, It does add noise and decrease the area ON FM! Since we aren't talking about FM let me say something that may put your mind at rest about that. I get an absolutely pristine signal from KNX 1070 in stereo from Los Angeles here in Mesa, Arizona. Thats about 450 or 500 miles. I get a fine signal on WBAP 820 from Ft. Worth, Texas in stereo here also. Thats about 800 miles. I get a ok signal from KVOO 1170 in Tulsa, OK in stereo and its about 1000 miles. I get a real nice signal from KKWY 1630 from Fox Farms, WY and they are about 750 miles. All these stations come into Arizona with a great signal and they are in stereo. I get KBJD and KADZ from Denver, KABC from LA, KTBK on 1700 from Dallas and others in stereo. You can't have a decreased signal with stereo and get this kind of reception on a Sony SRF-42 walkman or a Delco car radio. Put that decreased signal stuff to bed. Its all bullshit. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From rjskadl@yahoo.com Tue May 07 23:45:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 8 May 2002 06:45:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 74540 invoked from network); 8 May 2002 06:45:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2002 06:45:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2002 06:45:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2002 06:45:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 06:45:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WTTM 1680 am Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3CD8A2DA.DBE0362F@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3032 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl OK. We are going to have to get together with a few other people for coffee some time. > well If Your Referring to WNYG 1440 in babylon > I used to work there about 15 years ago... Yep. 1440 WNYG Babylon, Long Islands Good Time Oldies Station. The crew there was a tight close family. A lot of the old staffers are still good friends. There is a tribute site for WNYG at http://www.angelfire.com/wy/wnyg > I also used to maintain a few high school fm stations ... WXBA WXBA, 88X The Voice of the Brentwood Public School District. General Manager Bob Ottone (former WGBB'er) and Operations Manager Juan Aleman (former WNYG'er)(actually Juan does mornings at WNYG now) My good friend is the engineer there now (he's also a former WNYG'er) > a small 10 > watt station in Dix hills...Now a religious station Owned by family radio...used to be on a 100 foot tower at the half > Hollow hills Public library.... 88.9 is the frequency that was supposed to be WATC Suny Farmingdale. They had the CP but due to bad politics the money to build it disapeared and they lost the CP to Half Hollow Hills Library, who then lost it to Family radio, who in my opinion has too much power up there on the old TV 67 tower. I had done some work at Farmingdale college carrier current radio station getting them back on the air. > I tried to start a station for 5 towns college where I used to > work..and found out they recently acquired an FM > station. dam its about time... Close. Five Towns College of Dix Hills bought an AM Station in Riverhead. They bought 1570, the old WRCN AM. It had been WRHD for a long time, was WFOG for a brief time until Five Towns bought it and changed it to WFTU. The problem with WFTU is that it is directional pointing southeast. The campus is a good 20 miles outside of the coverage area. The plan is to simulcast on a part 15 FM transmitter on the campus. > I recently heard that a station I maintained out in westhampton > Beach is Being sold and changing Format...Country Y107.... The old WWHB, HB107. Do you know Jack Kratoville by any chance? Anyhow, WWHB was aquired by Y-107 back in 1996. Y-107 set up a "trimulcast" on WWHB Hampton Bays, WRGX Briarcliffe Manor, and WZVU Long Branch. They later signed onto a 107.1 in Belvedeire NJ.turning the "trimulcast into a quadcast. Y-107 has been owned by Big City radio for a while now, but I am not exactly sure how long, but Big City Radio decided to flip to a spanish format on all of the quadcast stations. The country just ended yesterday evening, and the spanish should start soon. > I was also at WGBB Freeport when it was a Susquehanna station... Some really great people came throught WGBB > you still in radio? Yes. I work at WLUX 540 Music of your Life part time (used to be WLIX Christian). I also work with a couple other guys and give them a hand with WXBA, WFTU, and WNYG. We also maintain the Long Island radio history page and www.liradio.com feel free to check em out. -Russ From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue May 07 23:57:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 8 May 2002 06:57:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 27255 invoked from network); 8 May 2002 06:57:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2002 06:57:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11706.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2002 06:57:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20020508065743.43057.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.36.103] by web11706.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 May 2002 23:57:43 PDT Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 23:57:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTM 1680 am Stereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <009b01c1f65b$0c58fd60$baf9bed8@kredding430cdt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio About the signal radius theory...right on, Kevin. Right on. Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com From groucho@skyweb.net Wed May 08 05:32:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 8 May 2002 12:32:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 2467 invoked from network); 8 May 2002 12:32:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2002 12:32:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2002 12:32:27 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g48CWmEv043023 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 08:32:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3CD919FC.962BEBB3@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 08:28:44 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WTTM 1680 am Stereo References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Hi Russ Small world.. many people won't remember this kid From long Island who grew up... LOL wow there is a name I have not heard in a long Time Bob Ottone.. Cool... I was a student at farmingdale and Engineer at WATC when it was carrier current on 640 am.. I was there when we switched over from old Tube lpb transmitters to I believe 20 watt solid state units in the Quads... I remember Glenn Marchiony,and Chris Candida were also there.. wow Lots of late night parties held there. the old stereo gates console in the main studio.some girl from Ft lasanga was the GM at the time. I was the one who installed the 2 CBS limiters in the Rack in the Engineering office the 1 that was their didn't work...then to the DA to the Phone lines to the dorms... Someone had cut out all the Lines in the racks to the studios.. I was at WATC from 1979 to 1981 .the 2 years I went to school there. I was at Five Town College when it was still in Seaford..working as the adviser for the in-house radio station to the cafeteria. my friend David Cohen and I pushed to get an FM Frequency Search using Clarence Beverage as the Consultant. either way glad they Finally got a station 20 miles is Not so Bad... Im 22 Miles from studio to transmitter here..Don't remember Jack at country Y107... I worked under Bill Levine at the Long branch transmitter site WZVU we used to drive out to the island.to the store front check out the STL to the hill. then take the Drive up the narrow dirt road to the TX on the Hill what a view from up there. Im drawing a blank But I believe his name was Pete.. used to Meet us from the westchester Office. He ran a small pirate station From his home.. He was a crazy guy but funny guy LOL.. when I was at WGBB I was an intern. along with Ron Yurman.. Bob Buckman was the GM/PD before he went to WBAB... Ron and I did a Many an Overnight at WGBB. Ahh Yes WLIX used to be on the second Floor On merrick rd in bayshore. and the transmitter 250 Watts at the Old Islip raceway.. I believe that the Bee B103 is on that tower too.... they were supposed to be on the Fire Island Light house. But Could Not get permission. that's the same Frequency Clarence was trying to get For Five towns college as a 100 watt directional to the North from the light house.. I have stopped at the LUX studios the last few Times I was on long Island... in Farmingdale. there was a car parked outside. But No-one answered the Door.. if I didn't know any better I would say they were automated.. My father used to Run the Big band association on long Island an 18 piece dance band.that used to get some radio play out on 1 or 2 long island stations before he retired and sold the house in Massapequa where I grew up.. here is a funny story.. I work on Friday nights at a club in Neptune,NJ as the house sound Guy.. and a local female jock from WRAT have spoken many times over the past Few years.. what she just realized was that we knew each other From the days at WBAB Rocking Robbin... it took her 2 years to figure out that we knew each other and why I was so friendly with Her LOL.. I knew it all along.. I wonder if John Blake is still with WBAB? I will be out on the Island On the 19th to pick up a couch from My mother in-laws In babylon.. Neal > AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. From n0uiheric@aol.com Wed May 08 18:58:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 9 May 2002 01:58:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 50076 invoked from network); 9 May 2002 01:58:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2002 01:58:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.5) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2002 01:58:56 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.125.104fa96d (25917) for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 21:58:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <125.104fa96d.2a0b31d3@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 21:58:43 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Clear Channel says no to IBOC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Or, could AM be reallocated to non-commercial interests? Non-commercial interests are really looking for new opportunities. I know for a fact that the institution I work for, Southern Illinois University Edwardsville, has been looking for an AM or an FM channel for years to establish a student-run radio station. They have decided to take it to the Internet first. WPLN in Nashville is the latest public broadcaster to pick up an AM channel; they're rumored to be making plans to move their News/Talk programming from 90.3 FM to 1430 AM in nearby Madison, TN. WPLN-FM might become a Classical music station...stay tuned! 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed May 08 19:50:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 9 May 2002 02:50:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 24576 invoked from network); 9 May 2002 02:50:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2002 02:50:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r04.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.100) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2002 02:50:47 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.126.106aa8fa (3974) for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 22:50:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <126.106aa8fa.2a0b3e04@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 22:50:44 EDT Subject: Re: re: WTTM 1680 am Stereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp <> Welcome to the group Neal....lets just hope that after the guy leaves for a awhile that apon his return to "check on" things that he doesnt go off the deep end when he sees that the AM stereo exciter is back into operation. <> Stations seeking to move to the Expanded Band were given top priority if they marked a preference for AM stereo operation on the application for construction.Beyond any mandated actions...even if it were a high item on the list of violations in the FCC world...it wouldnt be enforced anyways. Heck the FCC has a hard enough time trying to get daytime only stations to sign off at sunset or operate with their flea power at night. Anyhow...good luck Neal and lets hope this doesnt come back to haunt you later. 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What a terriffic person. I only got to work with her for a brief period of time as she left WBAB for WRAT just a few weeks after I started Interning there. I am glad to hear that she is still doing well at WRAT. She is one of the best, and we miss her up here on the island. As far as WATC at Farmingdale goes, well most of the equipment was gone by the time I stepped in there last year. There were some interesting remnants and relics though. We did come across the DA that distributed audio to all the dorms. There was also a panel with a bunch of VU meters all over it, one for each line coming out of the DA. The Station is no longer in the basement of Knapp hall. It was moved to the Round Building, Roosevelt Hall. The only processing that was there when I walked in was a DBX compressor. I immediately got Mike Erickson involved and we were able to get them some real audio processing. The Gates console is gone now. They have a BE console now. We did find some of the old LPB transmitters lying around though. John Blake is no longer doing any broadcast engineering. He is now working with that tower company that builds towers all over the place The company built and owns the tower right on the site that used to be our 1290 WGLI. The Engineer at WBAB now is Gerard Ferris. From ccuff@in4web.com Thu May 09 09:28:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 9 May 2002 16:28:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 40777 invoked from network); 9 May 2002 16:28:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2002 16:28:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO host.warwick.net) (204.255.24.254) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2002 16:28:51 -0000 Received: from chris (qelapsvc.florida.ul.warwick.net [208.228.96.20]) by host.warwick.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g49GSi6472655; Thu, 9 May 2002 12:28:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000701c1f776$7c8e80c0$0601a8c0@warwick.net> To: Cc: Subject: Radio news of interest Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 12:27:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 There will be more details on the following info, but it just goes to show you "ya never know from one day to the next" I have been corresponding with a major 50KW station, with a MAJOR corporate ownership. After testing IBOC on one of their holdings, they have stated that they will NOT support it. It was a pure disaster- complaints came in all over from listeners. I will be working on a promo deal with this station very soon- I have been able to shuffle things around, jam toothpicks under my eyelids, and am getting thrown back in the radio building biz.... I know you all want to know who it is- all in good time. All I CAN say is it was an unlikely prospect, and came out of the blue. I had never contacted them before. Kevin R had told me to stop chasing people- he was right. Just when you stop looking, there it is. Stay tuned! Chris From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu May 09 13:05:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 9 May 2002 20:05:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 33877 invoked from network); 9 May 2002 20:05:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2002 20:05:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2002 20:05:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2002 20:05:30 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 20:05:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Radio news of interest Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000701c1f776$7c8e80c0$0601a8c0@warwick.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 231 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.77.37 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Well, I can narrow it down a bit, for those who are wondering what station Chris is talking about.... the only major corporations that have tested IBOC and own any 50 kW AM stations are Clear Channel, Infinity, and Bonneville. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu May 09 18:17:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 10 May 2002 01:17:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 34945 invoked from network); 10 May 2002 01:17:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2002 01:17:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14208.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2002 01:17:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20020510011750.23651.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.190] by web14208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 May 2002 18:17:50 PDT Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 18:17:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WFRO - AM Fremont, Ohio :Ditzy, but not ClearChannel To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Gentlemen, a Ma & Pa station that I was working on going stereo is selling-out to Disney - WFRO Fremont, Ohio (500W/287W) and it throws a real nice signal for about a 60 mile radio despite it's low power. Thank goodness they wouldn't sell out to Clear (Cheap) Channel, as we know they wouldn't spend any money on it. ABC Disney is reportedly going to buy WFRO-AM for $750,000.00 and go Radio Disney. Can you help me write to Disney and encourage them to add stereo satellite and AMS broadcast equipment with this purchased station? I am going to try the good cop/bad cop method with them. I will be nice to them and try to help them get the purchase/license transfer IF they go stereo and improve that station. Going mono with inspire the 'bad cop' to suggest letters to the FCC is they aren't going to spend $5 to improve the place. I hope 'good cop' wins. Anybody got some Stereo RAdio Disney audio for me to mail to the local ABC station? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com From groucho@skyweb.net Thu May 09 19:19:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 10 May 2002 02:19:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 22253 invoked from network); 10 May 2002 02:19:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2002 02:19:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2002 02:19:13 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g4A2JRU4076543 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 22:19:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3CDB2D3C.40644BA6@skyweb.net> Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 22:15:24 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WTTM 1680 am Stereo References: From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Russ If they want to get rid of one of those Old LPB's Im actually looking For one there is a shopping Center up the Road from us that seems To Be in a Valley and cannot get the station... I was thinking Of sending a feed over to one of the stores Via a Pots Codec and feed just the shopping center with Carrier Current so at least shoppers in their Cars in the Lot can Hear the station... The station is fairly strong But as you Enter the shopping Center You go Down Into a valley and the signal Totally disappears.. First thing Monday I will call LPB for pricing. On a 10-20 watt carrier current system. Neal rjskadl wrote: > Rockin' Robyn Lane. What a terriffic person. I only got to work > with her for a brief period of time as she left WBAB for WRAT just a > few weeks after I started Interning there. I am glad to hear that > she is still doing well at WRAT. She is one of the best, and we miss > her up here on the island. > > As far as WATC at Farmingdale goes, well most of the equipment was > gone by the time I stepped in there last year. There were some > interesting remnants and relics though. We did come across the DA > that distributed audio to all the dorms. There was also a panel with > a bunch of VU meters all over it, one for each line coming out of the > DA. The Station is no longer in the basement of Knapp hall. It was > moved to the Round Building, Roosevelt Hall. The only processing > that was there when I walked in was a DBX compressor. I immediately > got Mike Erickson involved and we were able to get them some real > audio processing. The Gates console is gone now. They have a BE > console now. We did find some of the old LPB transmitters lying > around though. > > John Blake is no longer doing any broadcast engineering. He is now > working with that tower company that builds towers all over the place > The company built and owns the tower right on the site that used to > be our 1290 WGLI. The Engineer at WBAB now is Gerard Ferris. > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT [Click Here!] > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@csiro.au Thu May 09 21:00:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 10 May 2002 04:00:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 55581 invoked from network); 10 May 2002 04:00:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2002 04:00:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2002 04:00:39 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA24876 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 14:00:37 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:00:37 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} www.AMStereoRadio.com ownership In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Sun, 5 May 2002, kevtronics wrote: > I just got the following message from Ben Lennard, who currently owns > the domain name www.AMStereoRadio.com. If anybody here is interesting > in taking over the domain (and the associated hosting costs), I > suggest you contact Ben. I messaged Ben and he wants us to come up with a proposal and it goes to the first bidder. I think you are doing a great job with the site Kevin. It's more current now than it's been in two years. I propose that Chris must retain ownership (providing he wants it - can't see why he wouldn't) and you should continue as webhost. Now to the tricky bit. I was one of a few who contributed towards transferring it to the NZ domain as it was cheaper to move it to Kiwiland. Now the reality is that it might cost more to keep it going in the US. Well I am willing to put in my share. How about some of you others? ie if you can afford it. Would any of you be prepared to pay (say) $20 to $40 to keep the site a going concern for the good of the cause? And I think it should be left up to Kevin to investigate how much it will cost and it would be up to several of us to pay him to keep this great site going. (I hate saying this as it often make a list go quiet.) Thoughts please ... Ian - Melbourne > > Note that "just in case", the no-cost domain name > http://AMStereo.s5.com/ has been running for quite a while as a > back-up way to access the AM Stereo Web Site content (which is hosted > on my CompuServe server; only the access to it is provided by either > www.AMStereoRadio.com or AMStereo.s5.com). > > ===================================================================== > > Hi all, > > I regret to advise that on the 5th June 2002, I will be making > amstereoradio.com available for whoever comes first. > > The reason is as follows: > > Unfortunately, my Aunty died on ANZAC day this year. She has, > fortunately for me, left a large sum of money to my Mum and my 2 > brothers and I. > > Now, what I want to do with this money, is go back to University and > earn a BSc majoring in Electronics or Physics. It will be enough to > keep me going without struggling with money. Plus will keep me going > until I get back in to the work force with my new qualications. > > However, I also want to save as much as I can, and make sure I get rid > of any debt what so ever, before starting the degree. This means that > I will be opening the AMS site up for new onwership, and I will also > be handing over webhosting of my brother's 4 websites to him. The > only website I will be keeping is my own (lennard.net.nz). > > regards, > > Ben. > > ===================================================================== > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ian Davidson _--_|\ CSIRO Minerals / \ tel +61 3 9545 8717 Box 312, Clayton South \_.--.*/ fax +61 3 9562 8919 Victoria, Australia 3169 v ian.davidson@csiro.au ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From matthew.trim@eds.com Thu May 09 21:15:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 10 May 2002 04:15:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 19513 invoked from network); 10 May 2002 04:15:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2002 04:15:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns5.eds.com) (203.17.185.230) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2002 04:15:22 -0000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com (nnsy-3.eds.com [192.168.1.1]) by ns5.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g4A4FKc13077 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 14:15:20 +1000 (EST) Received: from nnsy.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4A4FJF09842 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 14:15:19 +1000 (EST) Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4A4FId09838 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 14:15:18 +1000 (EST) Received: by AUSYM000 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <24APZYN1>; Fri, 10 May 2002 14:15:10 +1000 Message-ID: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542803F52F86@AUSYM200> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} www.AMStereoRadio.com ownership Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:14:47 +1000 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 G'day Everyone, I think it would be fine for the domain to be transferred to Chris Cuff as Administrative Contact (Owner). Whoever runs the DNS for the domain could be Tech contact. I volunteer to delegate the domain on my name servers. I can then use my web server to redirect it to Kevin's CompuServe hosting. I can help transfer the domain to Chris - we should be able to keep the domain registered for around US $8.95 a year (what I'm currently paying through www.enom.com) If everyone is happy with this let me know. Cheers, Matt =) -----Original Message----- From: Ian Davidson [mailto:dav259@csiro.au] Sent: Friday, 10 May 2002 2:01 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} www.AMStereoRadio.com ownership On Sun, 5 May 2002, kevtronics wrote: > I just got the following message from Ben Lennard, who currently owns > the domain name www.AMStereoRadio.com. If anybody here is interesting > in taking over the domain (and the associated hosting costs), I > suggest you contact Ben. I messaged Ben and he wants us to come up with a proposal and it goes to the first bidder. I think you are doing a great job with the site Kevin. It's more current now than it's been in two years. I propose that Chris must retain ownership (providing he wants it - can't see why he wouldn't) and you should continue as webhost. Now to the tricky bit. I was one of a few who contributed towards transferring it to the NZ domain as it was cheaper to move it to Kiwiland. Now the reality is that it might cost more to keep it going in the US. Well I am willing to put in my share. How about some of you others? ie if you can afford it. Would any of you be prepared to pay (say) $20 to $40 to keep the site a going concern for the good of the cause? And I think it should be left up to Kevin to investigate how much it will cost and it would be up to several of us to pay him to keep this great site going. (I hate saying this as it often make a list go quiet.) Thoughts please ... Ian - Melbourne > > Note that "just in case", the no-cost domain name > http://AMStereo.s5.com/ has been running for quite a while as a > back-up way to access the AM Stereo Web Site content (which is hosted > on my CompuServe server; only the access to it is provided by either > www.AMStereoRadio.com or AMStereo.s5.com). > > ===================================================================== > > Hi all, > > I regret to advise that on the 5th June 2002, I will be making > amstereoradio.com available for whoever comes first. > > The reason is as follows: > > Unfortunately, my Aunty died on ANZAC day this year. She has, > fortunately for me, left a large sum of money to my Mum and my 2 > brothers and I. > > Now, what I want to do with this money, is go back to University and > earn a BSc majoring in Electronics or Physics. It will be enough to > keep me going without struggling with money. Plus will keep me going > until I get back in to the work force with my new qualications. > > However, I also want to save as much as I can, and make sure I get rid > of any debt what so ever, before starting the degree. This means that > I will be opening the AMS site up for new onwership, and I will also > be handing over webhosting of my brother's 4 websites to him. The > only website I will be keeping is my own (lennard.net.nz). > > regards, > > Ben. > > ===================================================================== > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ian Davidson _--_|\ CSIRO Minerals / \ tel +61 3 9545 8717 Box 312, Clayton South \_.--.*/ fax +61 3 9562 8919 Victoria, Australia 3169 v ian.davidson@csiro.au ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From amfmdx@fastq.com Fri May 10 00:17:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 10 May 2002 07:17:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 85865 invoked from network); 10 May 2002 07:17:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2002 07:17:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2002 07:17:38 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d181-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.213]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g4A7Hbn19457 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 00:17:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <00d401c1f7f2$92b58340$d5f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} www.AMStereoRadio.com ownership Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 00:16:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Now to the tricky bit. I was one of a few who contributed towards > transferring it to the NZ domain as it was cheaper to move it to Kiwiland. Me too. I sent money for last year, I will send money for this year too. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From rjskadl@yahoo.com Fri May 10 00:35:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 10 May 2002 07:35:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 99730 invoked from network); 10 May 2002 07:35:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2002 07:35:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2002 07:35:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2002 07:35:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 07:35:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: WTTM 1680 am Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3CDB2D3C.40644BA6@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 336 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl Neal, I don't know what shape them LPBs are in or if they even still have them over there anymore. Its been almost a year since I have been over there. I want to stop in and see how they are doing there but I just have not had a chance to get over there. It sounds like a good idea to run a CCAM for the shopping center. -Russ From ccuff@in4web.com Fri May 10 01:24:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 10 May 2002 08:24:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 40701 invoked from network); 10 May 2002 08:24:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2002 08:24:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2002 08:24:40 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.39]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.224) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 04:24:40 -0400 Message-ID: <009f01c1f7fc$425b8d40$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: Subject: KABL MP3 Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 04:25:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Marv just sent me an MP3 of KABL that is without a doubt the BEST example of HIFi AM Stereo I have heard to date. Stunning. Pure and simple. It is hearing stuff like this that really makes me happy- The Fanfare tuner is gonna kick some serious butt! CC From amfmguy@yahoo.com Fri May 10 07:37:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmguy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 10 May 2002 14:37:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 57425 invoked from network); 10 May 2002 14:37:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2002 14:37:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2002 14:37:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2002 14:37:19 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:37:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} www.AMStereoRadio.com ownership Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00d401c1f7f2$92b58340$d5f9bed8@kredding430cdt> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 474 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amfmguy" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.234.100 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97335768 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy Should one assume the problem as to hosting has been resolved? I say that because the above site is now being redirected to Kevin's website. Cheers, Marv --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevin" wrote: > > Now to the tricky bit. I was one of a few who contributed towards > > transferring it to the NZ domain as it was cheaper to move it to Kiwiland. > > Me too. I sent money for last year, I will send money for this year too. > > Kevin > Mesa, Arizona From philipr@irac.pe.ca Fri May 10 07:38:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 10 May 2002 14:38:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 19189 invoked from network); 10 May 2002 14:38:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2002 14:38:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2002 14:38:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2002 14:38:34 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:38:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: listening to CJLS last night Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1841 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking I want to express Kudos to CJLS 1340 AM Stereo Yarmouth NS. In the past, when I travelled more frequently, I would often listen to CJLS when in southwestern Nova Scotia. On my mono Delco car radio, they sounded very muddy, but great on their two FM repeaters - for Shelburne and Digby NS. Well, last night, I was exploring the AM dial with my new old Zenith Trans-oceanic H500 and lo and behold, CJLS was pounding in! This was at sunset. I grabbed the Sony SRF-42, and could just barely pick up CJLS unaided. With the S-A-T though, it was pounding in on the Sony in beautiful AM Stereo, not the least muddy - in fact - approaching FM top end with a smoother, sweeter sound. Then, after a few minutes, darkness came and 1340 once again became a jungle. Another reason for Kudos to CJLS is it is one of 4 independent, locally owned stations left in Nova Scotia, from west to east: CJLS "The Wave" 1340 AM [stereo]5kw day, 4kw night and 2 FM repeaters - Yarmouth CKEC 1320 AM [mono]25 kw d+n New Glasgow CJFX "The X" 580 AM [stereo] 25 kw day and night and 1 FM repeater on 98.9 mhz 2,750 watts ERP Antigonish CIGO "The Hawk" 101.5 mhz 19,000 watts ERP Port Hawkesbury Of the above list, CJFX is anticipated to be pulling the plug on its AM site prior to August 2004 [as required by the CRTC]. It is rumoured that CKEC will be switching to FM. I believe that all stations in New Brunswick are chain owned. All stations in PEI are chain owned - actually controlled by one chain. I don't believe there are any AM stereo stations left in New Brunswick, and certainly not in PEI. However, 50% of the independent stations in Nova Scotia are broadcasting in AM stereo. To the extent any of you folks have picked up CJLS in stereo, why not email them a compliment! I'm going to do just that! Phil Interesting how From philipr@irac.pe.ca Fri May 10 08:06:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 10 May 2002 15:06:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 60772 invoked from network); 10 May 2002 15:06:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2002 15:06:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2002 15:06:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2002 15:06:56 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:06:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: A copy of my note to CJLS Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1626 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking I think its always a good idea to send a note when you pick up an AM=20 Stereo station! Phil Hi CJLS management and staff! =20 Just dropping a line to say how much I enjoyed listening to CJLS=20 last night. I first picked you folks up on my vintage [circa 1952}=20 Zenith Transoceanic H500 =96 coming in loud and clear.=20=20 =20 Since I recalled that you folks broadcast in AM stereo, I grabbed my=20 Sony SRF-42 and my Select-A-Tenna and was treated to excellent=20 sounding AM stereo! Lots of crystal clear top end with great=20 separation! =20 I also want to compliment you on the quality of your programming. =20 As a locally owned and operated radio station, the people of south=20 western Nova Scotia should be very proud to have CJLS on both the AM=20 and FM dials. Here in PEI, we have to suffer through a 100% MBS=20 radio controlled monopoly. While CHTN is owned by Newcap, it is=20 controlled by MBS through a LMA. MBS recently bought CJRW, making=20 the monopoly complete. On PEI, we can only envy the quality of your=20 news coverage. =20 Given recently demonstrated failures of the IBOC system, there is=20 now renewed interest in AM Stereo in the USA. While in Canada,=20 Eureka 147 DAB holds a lot of promise for congested downtown cores,=20 its hard to beat AM radio for wide coverage in rural areas,=20 especially in areas of uneven terrain. You clearly demonstrate that=20 with a quality receiver, AM can indeed be a high fidelity medium. =20 Again, congrats on a great AM Stereo sound! =20 Phil Rafuse Stratford PEI =20 P.S. If you haven't checked it out already, here is a great AM=20 Stereo website! =20 www.amstereoradio.com =20 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri May 10 12:15:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 10 May 2002 19:15:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 2970 invoked from network); 10 May 2002 19:15:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2002 19:15:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2002 19:15:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2002 19:15:34 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 19:15:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WTTM 1680 am Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 600 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.149 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Neal, I don't know what shape them LPBs are in or if they even still > have them over there anymore. Its been almost a year since I have > been over there. I want to stop in and see how they are doing there > but I just have not had a chance to get over there. It sounds like > a good idea to run a CCAM for the shopping center. -Russ This web site gives some good ideas about low-power AM: http://home.att.net/~weatheradio/part15.htm It has references to a professional-quality, FCC-approved low-power AM transmitter called the Hamilton AM1000, but I've heard it is rather expensive. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri May 10 12:21:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 10 May 2002 19:21:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 98549 invoked from network); 10 May 2002 19:21:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2002 19:21:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2002 19:21:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2002 19:21:54 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 19:21:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: listening to CJLS last night Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 708 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.149 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > CJLS "The Wave" 1340 AM [stereo]5kw day, 4kw night and 2 FM > repeaters - Yarmouth If you'd like to hear some very nice hi-fi AM Stereo recordings of CJLS, as made locally (within Yarmouth) by me from a Sony SRF-A100, navigate to this site: http://musicandvideo.myftpsite.net/amstereo/files/stations/ Click on "North-America", then "Canada", then "NovaScotia" and you'll see the files there. CJLS-ID.MP3 is a recording of their ID mentioning "AM Stereo", and there are two other longer recordings that demonstrate CJLS's very wide variety of music, while CJLS-DYN.MP3 demonstrates the incredible dynamic range of their audio -- they use less audio processing than many FM stations I've heard! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri May 10 12:26:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 10 May 2002 19:26:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 62527 invoked from network); 10 May 2002 19:26:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2002 19:26:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2002 19:26:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2002 19:25:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 19:25:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: KABL MP3 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <009f01c1f7fc$425b8d40$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 452 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.149 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Marv just sent me an MP3 of KABL that is without a doubt the BEST > example of HIFi AM Stereo I have heard to date. Stunning. Pure and > simple. > It is hearing stuff like this that really makes me happy- The > Fanfare tuner is gonna kick some serious butt! Please add it to the AM Stereo Forum's file collection when you have a chance. Go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum then click on "Files" in the green bar, then "Add File". From bryancain57@yahoo.com Fri May 10 14:37:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: bryancain57@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 10 May 2002 21:37:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 65279 invoked from network); 10 May 2002 21:37:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2002 21:37:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2002 21:37:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2002 21:37:26 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 21:37:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WFRO - AM Fremont, Ohio :Ditzy, but not ClearChannel Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020510011750.23651.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1322 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bryancain57" X-Originating-IP: 63.188.14.244 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=111365738 X-Yahoo-Profile: bryancain57 --- In amstereoforum@y..., Johnny Electron wrote: > Gentlemen, a Ma & Pa station that I was working on going stereo is > selling-out to Disney - WFRO Fremont, Ohio (500W/287W) and it throws > a real nice signal for about a 60 mile radio despite it's low power. > Thank goodness they wouldn't sell out to Clear (Cheap) Channel, as we > know they wouldn't spend any money on it. > > ABC Disney is reportedly going to buy WFRO-AM for $750,000.00 and go > Radio Disney. Can you help me write to Disney and encourage them to > add stereo satellite and AMS broadcast equipment with this purchased > station? > > I am going to try the good cop/bad cop method with them. I will be > nice to them and try to help them get the purchase/license transfer > IF they go stereo and improve that station. Going mono with inspire > the 'bad cop' to suggest letters to the FCC is they aren't going to > spend $5 to improve the place. I hope 'good cop' wins. > > Anybody got some Stereo RAdio Disney audio for me to mail to the > local ABC station? > > REPLY:Radio Disney is also broadcast from 1260 Cleveland ,if you enjoy those youth tunes.FYI........ > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! > http://shopping.yahoo.com From dave_m1ctk@yahoo.co.uk Fri May 10 16:46:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dave_m1ctk@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 10 May 2002 23:46:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 2773 invoked from network); 10 May 2002 23:46:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2002 23:46:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2002 23:46:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2002 23:46:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 23:46:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: MP3's : where are they ?! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 74 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" X-Originating-IP: 217.148.40.48 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=70214876 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Where's you long list of MP3's Kevin ? Just a handful I notice just now From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri May 10 16:51:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 10 May 2002 23:51:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 10893 invoked from network); 10 May 2002 23:51:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2002 23:51:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2002 23:51:33 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-246.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.246]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4ANo6dj017426 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 18:50:09 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003001c1f87d$d1b6c0a0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020508014851.38880.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} re: WTTM 1680 am Stereo Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 18:52:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I just came up with an angle- he tells his boss the station was granted a license because it promised to broadcast in stereo (stereo preference,) and turning it back on is going to keep it more in the FCC's graces! ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Johnny Electron To: K.T. radio list AMS 2001 Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 8:48 PM Subject: {AMSF} re: WTTM 1680 am Stereo > What can we do to help you with the AM Stereo cause with your boss? > From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri May 10 17:12:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 11 May 2002 00:12:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 12763 invoked from network); 11 May 2002 00:12:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2002 00:12:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2002 00:12:14 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-246.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.246]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4B0Apdj020047 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 19:10:52 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003801c1f880$b719aca0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <006d01c1f632$002afee0$d3a9fea9@me> <3CD88C05.BB4AD9D6@skyweb.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTM 1680 am Stereo Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 19:13:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude To answer your questions- ----- Original Message ----- From: Neal Newman > Thanks Scott > what station are you at? Salem stations in MSP area. The one I'd like to make stereo is KYCR, which has a lot of brokered Spanish programming, mostly music. > the very first thing I did was remove the old GATESWAY mono Console. Tube or solid state? I'll take it if it has tubes, assuming you didn't trash it already. > I 'm still waiting for Verizon to install the lines. and after they Do I > sure hope they work.. its copper.. Not Fiber like I wanted.. so RF is > flying Everywhere... Get yourself some WE 111C repeat coils, and that'll kill it. Those things can pass a composite FM signal. > to the frequency .. all I was Hearing was the Jamming station in Ada > MI... don't know If they forgot to lower the power at night or what was > going On..Told the Boss about it. and since I have Not Heard them... But > started hearing WTIR down in Fla really strong at night...still Do... I > live 20 Miles from My TX site. and its Fighting with the FLA Station.. I > know I lower My power Down to the 1 kW at sunset. But I wonder if the > Others Do?. They're bloody well supposed to The Mich. station is regularly heard here, so it doesn't surprise me it occasionally makes it as far as the east coast. I'd suspect they have a very efficient antenna as they drop to something like 690W. I think we're discovering that even widely-spaced non-D stations will still interfere with each other at night on low power. Just the same, if you're suspicious, it wouldn't hurt to have a consulting engineer take some field intensity readings and if they prove the Florida station isn't dropping power, you can get Uncle after them. > I was told it was going top be a 9200 Bt Until I see it. I don't know > for sure One of my stations had a 9200 from the previous ownership. We took it out and put in a 9100- a much better processor in my not too humble opinion. > I had asked about why Not stereo.. He said its Not FCC mandated.. I > thought it was on the expanded band.. Not mandated per-se, but that station was licensed with a stereo preference!!! Use that on your boss. ST From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri May 10 17:20:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 11 May 2002 00:20:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 6528 invoked from network); 11 May 2002 00:20:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2002 00:20:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2002 00:20:26 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-246.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.246]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4B0J3dj021034 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 19:19:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004801c1f881$dc5df7e0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WTTM 1680 am Stereo Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 19:21:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude The 3 may be half the price of a 9100B2, but the 4.5 definitely isn't. It lists for about $7 grand, though available through dealers about 6. They're both stereo, but I know the 4.5 doesn't do matrix processing, though it conceivably could be added. Just talked to a Telos/Omnia rep yesterday and found that out. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: rjskadl > The best processor for AM stereo (or even AM mono) in my opinion is > the Omnia 3AM. This box blows everything else away. And supposedly > now Omnia has come out with an Omnia 4.5AM. The omnia will do AM > stereo for you. It is half the price of the new Optimods (which are > mono only) and sounds 10 times better! So if you are able to get a > new processor this is what I highly reccomend! From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri May 10 17:46:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 11 May 2002 00:46:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 43447 invoked from network); 11 May 2002 00:46:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2002 00:46:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2002 00:46:13 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-246.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.246]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4B0iodj024582 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 19:44:51 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <008701c1f885$76812b00$d3a9fea9@me> To: Subject: Fw: scanning status? Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 19:47:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude For the person who posted here some months back wanting to know about the Doherty circuit- I was going to scan and email a brochure I had about it, but looks like it's already on the net. Click the link below, and it's under Western Electric. ST > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Scott Todd" > Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 4:13 PM > Subject: Re: scanning status? > > > > Scott, > > > > It's going slowly! I have quite a stack of stuff to scan. In a couple > > weeks I'll be able to do a bit more since I won't be teaching at night for > a > > few months. The stuff that is scanned is posted at > > http://www.hallikainen.org/history/equipment/ . > > Thanks for sending stuff. If I recall correctly, you sent the box of > stuff > > for me to scan. Once that's complete, we'll do another box. I have not as > yet > > started on that box. Soon! I hope! > > > > Thanks for the help! > > > > Harold > > > > > > > Harold, > > > > > > How's the manual scanning coming? Are any posted on your website? > > > > > > Scott Todd > > > > > > > > > > > > > From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri May 10 17:49:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 11 May 2002 00:49:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 94727 invoked from network); 11 May 2002 00:49:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2002 00:49:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2002 00:49:43 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-246.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.246]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4B0mKdj025007 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 19:48:21 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00a001c1f885$f3b133e0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <126.106aa8fa.2a0b3e04@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: re: WTTM 1680 am Stereo Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 19:51:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude About the only thing they care about anymore is if you're tower lights are working OK and if the flunky behind the board can run an EAS test, and that you're picking up the tests of your LP1&2. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: > Stations seeking to move to the Expanded Band were given top priority if they > marked a preference for AM stereo operation on the application for > construction.Beyond any mandated actions...even if it were a high item on the > list of violations in the FCC world...it wouldnt be enforced anyways. Heck > the FCC has a hard enough time trying to get daytime only stations to sign > off at sunset or operate with their flea power at night. From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri May 10 17:51:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 11 May 2002 00:51:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 97381 invoked from network); 11 May 2002 00:51:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2002 00:51:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2002 00:51:33 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-246.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.246]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4B0oBdj025232 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 19:50:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00a601c1f886$35c20b60$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WTTM 1680 am Stereo Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 19:53:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Did you manage to grab any of them? Always interested in tube stuff. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: rjskadl > We did find some of the old LPB transmitters lying > around though. From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri May 10 17:55:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 11 May 2002 00:55:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 31709 invoked from network); 11 May 2002 00:55:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2002 00:55:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2002 00:55:32 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-246.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.246]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4B0sAdj025759 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 19:54:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00b601c1f886$c4444880$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <3CDB2D3C.40644BA6@skyweb.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WTTM 1680 am Stereo Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 19:57:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Better hope to get one of those old tube rigs or prepare for sticker-shock. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Neal Newman > First thing Monday I will call LPB for pricing. On a 10-20 > watt carrier current system. > Neal > From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri May 10 18:03:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 11 May 2002 01:03:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 78555 invoked from network); 11 May 2002 01:03:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2002 01:03:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2002 01:03:06 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-246.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.246]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4B11gdj026750 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 20:01:43 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00da01c1f887$d1d5aec0$d3a9fea9@me> To: Subject: Fw: [RT] NEW RADIO TECHNOLOGY Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 20:04:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [RT] NEW RADIO TECHNOLOGY Figured you guys would get a kick out of this toung-in-cheek post from the radio-tech forum. A bit off topic, but not one that hasn't been approached before... ST [RT] NEW RADIO TECHNOLOGY Dave Biondi radio-tech@broadcast.net Thu, 9 May 2002 10:44:27 -0500 a.. Previous message: [RT] Tower light monitoring b.. Next message: [RT] NEW RADIO TECHNOLOGY c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NEW RADIO TECHNOLOGY Clear Channel Experiments With Live DJ's SAN ANTONIO - Radio industry giant Clear Channel unveiled a brand new radio innovation at a press conference earlier today. "This technology will put us at the forefront of today's radio landscape," Randy Michaels said, adding that "Radio will never be the same." Michaels was discussing Clear Channel's experimental "Live disc jockey" system, where an actual human being sits in a studio, takes requests, plays music, and talks during programming breaks. Industry analysts say this new technology could be a big moneymaker for Clear Channel. "Automation and pre-recorded voice-tracking have grown tiresome for the average listener," one leading analyst stated. "A person who communicates with the radio user in real-time is a major breakthrough." Another analyst predicted that the "live disc jockey" system will ultimately be profitable, but will experience growing pains, stating that: "Clear Channel can pull this off, but only with major cuts in other areas. Consultants and voice-trackers everywhere will lose their jobs. It's going to be a bloodbath." The Society for Automation in Television, Internet and Radio Environments, or SATIRE, downplayed the day's developments. "Radio listeners don't want to hear live human voices when they turn on the radio. Live humans make too many mistakes and they can't go back and correct their mistakes when they're on the air in real-time," argued one SATIRE member who did not want to divulge his name, adding "I sure hope Clear Channel doesn't go through with this. It could mean the death of our industry." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- a.. Previous message: [RT] Tower light monitoring b.. Next message: [RT] NEW RADIO TECHNOLOGY c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri May 10 18:08:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 11 May 2002 01:08:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 69248 invoked from network); 11 May 2002 01:08:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2002 01:08:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2002 01:08:33 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-246.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.246]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4B17Bdj027441 for ; Fri, 10 May 2002 20:07:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <010201c1f888$95ad7c60$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} A copy of my note to CJLS Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 20:10:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Great letter, Phil; suitable for framing. :) ST ----- Original Message ----- From: tubesareking > I think its always a good idea to send a note when you pick up an AM > Stereo station! From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri May 10 19:00:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 11 May 2002 02:00:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 12567 invoked from network); 11 May 2002 02:00:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2002 02:00:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14204.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.146) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2002 02:00:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20020511020040.56036.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.190] by web14204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 May 2002 19:00:40 PDT Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 19:00:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Is it AMS? To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Is this equipped with AMS? "Audiovox GM-250. This was audiovox answer to the O.E.M. GM radio" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From bryancain57@yahoo.com Sat May 11 14:05:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: bryancain57@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 11 May 2002 21:05:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 6484 invoked from network); 11 May 2002 21:05:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2002 21:05:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2002 21:05:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2002 21:05:55 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 21:05:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: New Radio Tech Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bryancain57" X-Originating-IP: 63.188.69.106 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=111365738 X-Yahoo-Profile: bryancain57 LOL From ccuff@in4web.com Sat May 11 15:10:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 11 May 2002 22:10:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 78069 invoked from network); 11 May 2002 22:10:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2002 22:10:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2002 22:10:33 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.57]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.224) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 18:10:43 -0400 Message-ID: <002901c1f938$ce5ef920$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: Subject: new members Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 18:11:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Well, not exactly new, but I am happy to see some of our old friends here on this list. The membership is now at 73 people, of course this includes some duplicate email entries, but we are growing stronger! My trip up north is coming soon, and a visit to Ramsey is on, as well as a visit to meet Marv at Fanfare. The MP3 file that Marv provided me has to be burned into a CDR, or copied into my portable HD and brought to work, as it is over 2 and a half Megs, and with my ISP ("Internet at Snail's Pace") here at home, it just wont work here. Someone- I think Juan- asked about the TFT exciter on ebay- I never saw one before- Anyone else know about this model? Chris From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat May 11 15:32:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 11 May 2002 22:32:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 30614 invoked from network); 11 May 2002 22:32:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2002 22:32:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2002 22:32:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2002 22:32:41 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 22:32:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: eBay roundup Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 737 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Aiwa AM Stereo/FM Stereo compact system with CD player and MiniDisc recorder, as converted to AM Stereo by Chris Cuff: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1351409809 1993 Toyota AM Stereo/FM Stereo car radio, normal DIN size, may have Expanded Band tuning(?): http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1826533998 TFT rack-mount C-Quam AM Stereo exciter, from a "military radio station" (I would be interested to know what Military stations have used AM Stereo!): http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1351470452 Sansui TU-S77AMX AM Stereo home tuner, as sold by our old pal Bryan from the original (now-defunct) AM Stereo group: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1351026928 From ccuff@in4web.com Sat May 11 15:59:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 11 May 2002 22:59:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 75767 invoked from network); 11 May 2002 22:59:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2002 22:59:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2002 22:59:46 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.57]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.224) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 18:59:57 -0400 Message-ID: <007e01c1f93f$ae89b200$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} eBay roundup Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 19:00:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I will add that anyone that gets that Aiwa is getting a NICE unit! The board was already plated for the parts. I had to add the LED, because if you enable the micro for the built in indicator, it also is the same pin that changes the FM to Japan mode, so it will not work here. Less than 12 hours to go!! Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics To: Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 6:32 PM Subject: {AMSF} eBay roundup > Aiwa AM Stereo/FM Stereo compact system with CD player and MiniDisc > recorder, as converted to AM Stereo by Chris Cuff: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1351409809 From alfredot@inetarena.com Sat May 11 18:49:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredot@inetarena.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 12 May 2002 01:49:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 21760 invoked from network); 12 May 2002 01:49:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2002 01:49:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.tqs.com) (205.238.1.107) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2002 01:49:44 -0000 Received: from barnone.tqs.com (barnone [10.1.1.31]) by mail.tqs.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id g4C1uHP17308 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 18:56:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chunky.tqs.com ([10.1.1.15]) by barnone.tqs.com (NAVGW 2.5.2.9) with SMTP id M2002051118491614272 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 18:49:16 -0700 Received: from hendrie (atorrejon-remote.tqs.com [10.1.4.183]) by chunky.tqs.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id J5VG4Q3K; Sat, 11 May 2002 18:49:42 -0700 Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 18:49:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: alfredo@hendrie.1610am.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM Stereo at this year's Burning Man Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Alfredo E. Torrejon" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25132238 X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon First off, I apologize for my long hiatus from the AM Stereo forums. However, I have a really crazy idea that I want to pull off, and this seems like the right forum for it. Every year there is a week-long festival held in the Nevada Black Rock Desert called Burning Man. Basically, a lot of people (last year's attendance was on the order of 20,000) come together in the middle of nowhere and set up a temporary community, complete with a daily newspaper, restaurants, a theater, a wireless LAN, HAM radio repeaters, and low-powered broadcast radio stations. The radio station frequency coordination list is at http://www.k-svert.com/freqs/ What I want to do is to put up an AM Stereo station, with about 10 watts of power at 1560 kHz. I've been trying to drum up support on various forums and mailing lists. I will try to put together a radio station web page sometime soon. I have most of what I need to pull it off, except for an appropriate shelter and air staff. The shelter is very important because there are fierce dust storms in the Black Rock Desert, with wind speeds occasionally reaching 70 MPH. For an antenna system, I'm working on getting permission to shunt-feed the tower of one of the FM stations. One of those guys put up a 60 foot tower at a past festival, so if I could use that, I think that I would have a pretty good antenna. A co-worker who is a radio guy and attended Burning Man a few years ago told me that 10 watts would make for a killer signal at the festival site. Alfredo | _ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | ( ) - No HTML/RTF in e-mail | X - No Microsoft docs in e-mail | / \ - No vCards From n0uiheric@aol.com Sat May 11 19:35:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 12 May 2002 02:35:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 20384 invoked from network); 12 May 2002 02:35:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2002 02:35:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d09.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2002 02:35:37 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.19c.223a52a (3867) for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 22:35:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19c.223a52a.2a0f2ef3@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 22:35:31 EDT Subject: Another AM Stereo Station About To Bite The Dust To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Fans of classic country music will no longer have this kind of music available in AM Stereo after Monday (5/13). KVOO 1170 in Tulsa, OK is changing to a talk format, and call letters changed to KFAQ. This will most likely mean the end of AM Stereo in Tulsa. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat May 11 21:32:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 12 May 2002 04:32:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 41034 invoked from network); 12 May 2002 04:32:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2002 04:32:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2002 04:32:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2002 04:32:48 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 04:32:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: KVOO Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <19c.223a52a.2a0f2ef3@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1094 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Fans of classic country music will no longer have this kind of music > available in AM Stereo after Monday (5/13). KVOO 1170 in Tulsa, OK > is changing to a talk format, and call letters changed to KFAQ. There are numerous stations around the country that have switched from music to talk and have continued to broadcast in full AM Stereo, so hopefully 1170 KVOO/KFAQ will become one of these. BTW, over here in the metro New York City area, there is now no FM country music station. The only choice for country music in a large part of New Jersey and and Staten Island, NY is a 250-watt daytime-only AM station. Here is an article about this... it was written before the FM station actually dumped its Country format, but the prediction came true: http://rvcc2.raritanval.edu/ktek9053/wkmb.htm Perhaps some of the techies here could identify the approximate age of the audio control board WKMB uses, based on the photo? They has been on the air since 1972, and they still use the original Collins vacuum-tube transmitter, so the audio board might be 30 years old as well! From ccuff@in4web.com Sun May 12 01:23:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 12 May 2002 08:23:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 1115 invoked from network); 12 May 2002 08:23:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2002 08:23:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2002 08:23:51 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.41]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.224) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 12 May 2002 04:24:03 -0400 Message-ID: <001f01c1f98e$7b963b80$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KVOO Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 04:24:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 This irks the heck out of me, especially since Alan Jackson and Kenny Chesney have taken very recent albums to the top of Billboards charts. We have one AM station up here, WVOS 1240 , that carries a syndicated country format, and one FM , WRWD, but I cant get them well. At home, the only one i have is "Froggy 101" out of Scranton. Sad. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics From ccuff@in4web.com Sun May 12 01:42:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 12 May 2002 08:42:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 99081 invoked from network); 12 May 2002 08:42:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2002 08:42:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2002 08:42:53 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.41]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.224) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 12 May 2002 04:43:05 -0400 Message-ID: <006901c1f991$24abd660$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo at this year's Burning Man Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 04:43:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Hi Alfredo- I can lend you an MP3 player, loaded with some great "ping pong" stereo music if you want- great for demos. Let me know- CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Alfredo E. Torrejon To: Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 9:49 PM Subject: {AMSF} AM Stereo at this year's Burning Man From ccuff@in4web.com Sun May 12 01:46:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 12 May 2002 08:46:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 29599 invoked from network); 12 May 2002 08:46:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2002 08:46:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2002 08:46:34 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.41]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.224) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 12 May 2002 04:46:46 -0400 Message-ID: <007601c1f991$a83f9d40$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <001f01c1f98e$7b963b80$0101a8c0@pavilion> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KVOO Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 04:47:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Sidenote- KVOO is on the same station freq as WWVA in Wheeling WV- another former GREAT country station that the borg assimilated and ruined. As a kid they were the first station I ever heard country on, and every night they came booming in. I have had the pleasure of DXing KVOO in stereo only twice, and they sounded great. cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher Cuff From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Sun May 12 06:23:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 12 May 2002 13:23:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 20790 invoked from network); 12 May 2002 13:23:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2002 13:23:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2002 13:23:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2002 13:23:45 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 13:23:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: KVOO Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007601c1f991$a83f9d40$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 538 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 172.134.58.42 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Hello, Well that just stinks. "Classic country" format doesn't seem to be that common and it's a shame because a lot of that music recorded in the 60's sounds pretty good in stereo. We have a lower powered FM station in Rockdale, TX that does play a lot of classic country but the Clear-Channel KASE in Austin is doing its best to promote the current country "party line" so virtually nothing "vintage" is heard. Their idea of vintage is a "good 'ol" Garth Brooks tune from the early 90's. What a shame. Best regards, Paul Bigelow From mcv@makkayradio.com Sun May 12 08:33:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mcv@makkayradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 12 May 2002 15:33:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 43132 invoked from network); 12 May 2002 15:33:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2002 15:33:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail12.megamailservers.com) (216.251.36.22) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2002 15:33:35 -0000 Received: from makkayradio.com (web8.megawebservers.com [216.251.35.18]) by mail12.megamailservers.com (8.12.1/8.12.0.Beta10) with SMTP id g4CFXYK9019657 for ; Sun, 12 May 2002 11:33:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200205121533.g4CFXYK9019657@mail12.megamailservers.com> Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 15:33:34 -0000 To: Subject: AM stereo units for sale X-Mailer: TWIG 2.7.5 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public My name is Steve McVie of http://www.stevemcvie.com I am very involved in FM and TV DXing and tuner modifying, but I have come across some AM stereo units that I would like to sell. To see these units, either E-mail at mcv@makkayradio.com or you can click on: http://www.stevemcvie.com/DX-Equipment.asp (These units all have modified FM IFs also) 1. MCS 3050 AM Stereo/FM Stereo unit $75 (there is a small problem with the FM side, but if you're looking for a nice AM stereo tuner only unit, this is very cool, with great signal meter. 2. Chrysler AM stereo/FM stereo radio only. Comes with harness diagram so you know which Chrysler's this unit will fit into. I used it off a 12Volt converter indoors. I hope I have not violated any rules by posting this. Steve McVie Cape Cod, MA Dxer and Aircheck collector From mwradio@gmx.net Sun May 12 10:29:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mwradio@gmx.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 12 May 2002 17:29:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 92857 invoked from network); 12 May 2002 17:29:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2002 17:29:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.dnbsi.com) (207.229.108.169) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2002 17:29:04 -0000 Received: from espositojm2 (0-1pool156-58.nas1.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net [65.128.156.58]) by smtp.dnbsi.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 51731CE20 for ; Sun, 12 May 2002 10:29:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <008201c1f9da$82adcea0$06630780@espositojm2> To: Subject: Another Sony SRF-42 on ebay Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 13:29:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Joe Esposito" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=93604673 X-Yahoo-Profile: espositojm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For anyone interested there is a SRF-42 on ebay with a "BUY IT NOW" Price. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1352453457 I may sell one of my Sony SRF-42's but I'll post it here first... Joe Esposito [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun May 12 12:42:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 12 May 2002 19:42:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 49114 invoked from network); 12 May 2002 19:42:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2002 19:42:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11707.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2002 19:42:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20020512194248.41168.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.15.42.2] by web11707.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 May 2002 12:42:48 PDT Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 12:42:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Guess what I found! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <008201c1f9da$82adcea0$06630780@espositojm2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Digging through the engineering files (we have no engineer at present), I found a brochure for Kahn-man's Powerside. FAQ #11: "11) What about future radios? A: When we win the AM Stereo marketplace...." By the way, that part of the answer was HIGHLIGHTED! There was also a telephone number which is still good! It's (516) 222-2221. Snail mail is 425 Merrick Avenue, Westbury, N.Y. 11590. Remember, you didn't get ANY of this from me! On the down-low, Jay (AMS Agent #13) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun May 12 13:17:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 12 May 2002 20:17:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 14552 invoked from network); 12 May 2002 20:17:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2002 20:17:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2002 20:17:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2002 20:17:49 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 20:17:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Guess what I found! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020512194248.41168.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 403 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.68.38 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I found a brochure for Kahn-man's Powerside. FAQ #11: "11) What > about future radios? A: When we win the AM Stereo marketplace...." > By the way, that part of the answer was HIGHLIGHTED! A few things I'd like to know is how old is Leonard Kahn, and if anyone, anywhere has ever taken a picture of him. One of the AM Stereo MP3's of WSPD from 1983 has a recording of his voice, but that's it. From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun May 12 15:06:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 12 May 2002 22:06:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 25577 invoked from network); 12 May 2002 22:06:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2002 22:06:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2002 22:06:30 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d113-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.145]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g4CM6Sn74194 for ; Sun, 12 May 2002 15:06:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <000d01c1fa01$24df2680$91f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <20020512194248.41168.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Guess what I found! Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 15:05:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Jay, That is a piece of history. If you can scan it that should be put in the files on the www.amstereoradio.com site. Kevin Mesa, Arizona ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Rogers" To: Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 12:42 PM Subject: {AMSF} Guess what I found! > Digging through the engineering files (we have no > engineer at present), I found a brochure for > Kahn-man's Powerside. FAQ #11: "11) What about future > radios? A: When we win the AM Stereo > marketplace...." By the way, that part of the answer > was HIGHLIGHTED! > > There was also a telephone number which is still good! > It's (516) 222-2221. Snail mail is 425 Merrick > Avenue, Westbury, N.Y. 11590. > > Remember, you didn't get ANY of this from me! > > On the down-low, > Jay (AMS Agent #13) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience > http://launch.yahoo.com > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun May 12 22:06:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 13 May 2002 05:06:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 12141 invoked from network); 13 May 2002 05:06:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2002 05:06:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11705.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2002 05:06:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20020513050626.96024.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.36.103] by web11705.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 May 2002 22:06:26 PDT Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 22:06:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Guess what I found! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000d01c1fa01$24df2680$91f9bed8@kredding430cdt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I also found a Motorola one from 1990. Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun May 12 22:48:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 13 May 2002 05:48:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 97331 invoked from network); 13 May 2002 05:48:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2002 05:48:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11704.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2002 05:48:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20020513054828.82012.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.36.103] by web11704.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 May 2002 22:48:28 PDT Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 22:48:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: This is PATHETIC! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20020513050626.96024.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jay Rogers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Read and weep for our FM bretheren: THE NEWS IS OUT! Starting Monday, the Score will now also be on 99.7FM. That's right sportstalk on the FM dial at 99.7FM. Plus, you'll still get to hear the Score where it's always been at AM 790. And with our new home at 99.7FM, it means we'll have EVERY New York Yankees game from May 14th right up until the end of the season. You can hear the Yankees every game on 99.7FM while still catching the Pawsox every game on AM 790. Plus, the Score returns to local midday talk with "Midday Mayhem" from 10am-Noon. It's sports talk that rocks right here on the AM 790 and 99.7FM the Score starting this Monday. Well, now I have TWO useless radio bands! New England radio SUCKS! I thought Jacksonville radio is bad...well it is but at least there's no FM sports station. Oh by the way, WSKO used to be stereo WLKW. I wonder if WZRA (the F.M. station) will go mono. I HATE THIS! Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From kfornal@loa.com Sun May 12 22:56:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kfornal@loa.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 13 May 2002 05:56:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 16382 invoked from network); 13 May 2002 05:56:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2002 05:56:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao04.cox.net) (68.1.17.241) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2002 05:56:57 -0000 Received: from OMNIBOOK ([68.9.127.164]) by lakemtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020513055657.KVET4949.lakemtao04.cox.net@OMNIBOOK> for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 01:56:57 -0400 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} This is PATHETIC! Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 01:56:25 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c1fa42$edca53d0$0401a8c0@OMNIBOOK> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <20020513054828.82012.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Keith Fornal" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110312140 X-Yahoo-Profile: theradboy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And as of earlier this evening, WZRA 99.7 FM has been alternating between dead air and a MONO simulcast with WZRI 100.3. Keith -----Original Message----- From: Jay Rogers [mailto:a1asurfradio@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 1:48 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} This is PATHETIC! Read and weep for our FM bretheren: THE NEWS IS OUT! Starting Monday, the Score will now also be on 99.7FM. That's right sportstalk on the FM dial at 99.7FM. Plus, you'll still get to hear the Score where it's always been at AM 790. And with our new home at 99.7FM, it means we'll have EVERY New York Yankees game from May 14th right up until the end of the season. You can hear the Yankees every game on 99.7FM while still catching the Pawsox every game on AM 790. Plus, the Score returns to local midday talk with "Midday Mayhem" from 10am-Noon. It's sports talk that rocks right here on the AM 790 and 99.7FM the Score starting this Monday. Well, now I have TWO useless radio bands! New England radio SUCKS! I thought Jacksonville radio is bad...well it is but at least there's no FM sports station. Oh by the way, WSKO used to be stereo WLKW. I wonder if WZRA (the F.M. station) will go mono. I HATE THIS! Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Click Here! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun May 12 23:16:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 13 May 2002 06:16:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 35747 invoked from network); 13 May 2002 06:16:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2002 06:16:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2002 06:16:39 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d145-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.177]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g4D6Gcn79430 for ; Sun, 12 May 2002 23:16:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <005d01c1fa45$8dae91c0$b1f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <20020513050626.96024.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Guess what I found! Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 23:15:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Scan that bad boy too, Jay. Kevin Mesa, Arizona ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Rogers" To: Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 10:06 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Guess what I found! > I also found a Motorola one from 1990. > > Jay From rjskadl@yahoo.com Mon May 13 00:28:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 13 May 2002 07:28:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 36398 invoked from network); 13 May 2002 07:28:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2002 07:28:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2002 07:28:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2002 07:28:45 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 07:28:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: This is PATHETIC! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000201c1fa42$edca53d0$0401a8c0@OMNIBOOK> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 155 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl > > Well, now I have TWO useless radio bands!... > ...radio SUCKS! > I HATE THIS! The entire industry is going to hell. It is really depressing. -Russ From n0uiheric@aol.com Mon May 13 02:26:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 13 May 2002 09:26:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 86745 invoked from network); 13 May 2002 09:26:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2002 09:26:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.4) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2002 09:26:42 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.21.1dddc4e9 (18555) for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 05:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <21.1dddc4e9.2a10e0d0@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 05:26:40 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} This is PATHETIC! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih At least all-sports radio in St. Louis isn't that bad! We have KFNS at 590 AM from Wood River, IL; they still have AM Stereo equipment in place despite the fact it's been gathering dust since Infinity sold the station in 1997. They're simulcast on KFNS-FM at 100.7 from Troy, MO; the simulcast is there for a good reason. The area KFNS-FM serves, the far western suburbs of St. Louis, is in the AM's null toward fellow Offender KOMJ Omaha, NE. KFNS-FM does have it's Stereo pilot, but airs largely mono programming, in violation of Part 73 of the FCC rules. Now, the area will have another all-sports station; KRFT at 1190 AM, licensed to De Soto, MO (but has it's transmitter in East St. Louis, IL). Unlike locally-oriented KFNS (AM/FM), the station will air programming from Fox Sports Net. What's pathetic is what's happening on the FM side...Crap Channel has just taken KSD (93.7 FM) and KLOU (103.3 FM) to voicetracking. Such stations have taken ratings drops; one example is in Dallas, where classic rocker KEGL (97.1 FM-The Eagle) was shot down in the ratings. After CC took it to voicetracking, the station not only fell out of the top ten, but also out of the top 20 in the Dallas/Fort Worth market. It's one-book plunge: ninth place (Fall 2001) to twenty-second place (Winter 2001-02). I wouldn't be surprised if KSD drops below 1.0, and KLOU drops below 2.0 in the next ratings book for St. Louis. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From groucho@skyweb.net Mon May 13 02:27:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 13 May 2002 09:27:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 72450 invoked from network); 13 May 2002 09:27:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2002 09:27:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2002 09:27:44 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g4D9S5U4024856 for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 05:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3CDF8628.353D059B@skyweb.net> Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 05:23:52 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: looking for ams portable reciever References: <200205121533.g4CFXYK9019657@mail12.megamailservers.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Hey Guys It dawned on me over the weekend... I need an AM Stereo receiver that can handle the expanded band to 1700kc. small portable like a walkman with pilot light. so when I work on the Transmitter I know If I actually have the stereo Gen. working.... remember my C-Quam Modulation Meter is out for repair. I was looking for the past 2 days and No one carries it. here in the NJ area.. I ask for a receiver with am stereo they look at Me like Im from another planet. I'm probably looking in the wrong places..like the wiz. anyone have some model #'s and manufacturers where to get one like Yesterday..... it also must have External antenna jack so I can use it to set up loop antennas for some of our listeners on the fringes... Meter would be Nice too( now Im asking to Much)......LOL.... Neal Chief Engineer WTTM 1680 am Princeton,NJ From groucho@skyweb.net Mon May 13 03:30:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 13 May 2002 10:30:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 79059 invoked from network); 13 May 2002 10:30:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2002 10:30:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2002 10:30:11 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g4DAUWU4029580 for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 06:30:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3CDF94BB.E4026598@skyweb.net> Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 06:26:03 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} This is PATHETIC! References: <21.1dddc4e9.2a10e0d0@aol.com> From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Eric Be careful as to what you say. Have you actually read the FCC rules part 73 or just hearsay? I have to ask.... what Part 73 rule are they violating? If you are talking about having the pilot on. and Programming in Mono? or no pilot on and in mono all the time? is this an expanded band station? As the Engineer of an am extended band station and I hope to be running stereo before the End of June. Mostly because of the music format. By reading some of what you guys are saying..I had to Investigate the FCC Rules part 73... specifically 47.73.30 Note5. where it states that they Prefer the extended band station to be Stereo... Its not manditory....theirfore its not a violation if the station is not in Stereo... I also looked up 47.Sec. 73.128 AM stereophonic broadcasting which tells mostly about stereo modulation Methods and % of Modulation.... still didn't find where there is a violation of FCC rules if your Not in stereo.. care to tell me where it exactly tells you that a station MUST be in stereo in the Rules? I really would like to know.. educate me... I know I'm a wise ass lol.... Neal Newman-ka2caf Chief Engineer WTTM 1680 am Princeton,NJ > The area KFNS-FM serves, the far western suburbs of St. > Louis, is in the AM's null toward fellow Offender KOMJ Omaha, NE. > KFNS-FM > does have it's Stereo pilot, but airs largely mono programming, in > violation of Part 73 of the FCC rules. Now, the area will have another > all-sports station; [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Mon May 13 09:30:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 13 May 2002 16:30:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 30360 invoked from network); 13 May 2002 16:30:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2002 16:30:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2002 16:30:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2002 16:29:14 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 16:29:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WNBC AM stereo airchecks Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 109 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 141.157.198.47 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio Does anyone have any WNBC AM STEREO airchecks.... looking for Time Machine airchecks in stereo if possible. From penry@nortelnetworks.com Mon May 13 10:53:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: penry@nortelnetworks.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 13 May 2002 17:53:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 80461 invoked from network); 13 May 2002 17:53:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2002 17:53:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO zrc2s0jx.us.nortel.com) (47.103.122.112) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2002 17:53:37 -0000 Received: from zrc2c011.us.nortel.com (zrc2c011.us.nortel.com [47.103.120.51]) by zrc2s0jx.us.nortel.com (Switch-2.2.0/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id g4DHrj812366 for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 12:53:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: by zrc2c011.us.nortel.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 13 May 2002 12:54:19 -0500 Message-ID: <9596134A623ED511B7790002A560797402D636AB@zrc2c010.us.nortel.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: eBay TFT C-Quam AM Stereo exciter Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 12:54:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) From: "Charles Penry" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=376233 X-Yahoo-Profile: wa5vhu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I saw what looked like this very exciter at the Belton Hamfest in central Texas a few weeks ago. The guy wanted $400.00 for the unit, which was too much for me. The exciter looked to be in clean condition, just looking at it. I believe that it was missing the oscillator module, so there is no way to generate a signal. It had a number of modules in it but there may be other modules missing besides the oscillator module, so consider that. If you could get the missing module(s), or possibly somehow drive it with your own AM band signal, it may work. The US military has a number of broadcast stations, portable and airborne. See http://www.msnbc.com/local/wbre/m161819.asp http://sites.state.pa.us/PA_Exec/Military_Affairs/air_national/193fact.html http://www.specialoperations.com/Aviation/EC_130/Commando_Solo/ for an example. Charles ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 22:32:40 -0000 From: "kevtronics" Subject: eBay roundup TFT rack-mount C-Quam AM Stereo exciter, from a "military radio station" (I would be interested to know what Military stations have used AM Stereo!): http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1351470452 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Mon May 13 11:11:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 13 May 2002 18:11:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 58387 invoked from network); 13 May 2002 18:11:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2002 18:11:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.32.181.44) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2002 18:11:12 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 13 May 2002 11:11:12 -0700 Received: from 208.228.96.20 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 13 May 2002 18:11:12 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} eBay TFT C-Quam AM Stereo exciter Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 14:11:12 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 May 2002 18:11:12.0437 (UTC) FILETIME=[90888E50:01C1FAA9] From: "Chris Cuff" X-Originating-IP: [208.228.96.20] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059 Thanks Charles- I was afraid this was a boat anchor after reading it had only modules 1 and 5- Better to wait for a real Murderola...oops... Motorola. Chris >From: "Charles Penry" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} eBay TFT C-Quam AM Stereo exciter >Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 12:54:09 -0500 > >I saw what looked like this very exciter at the Belton Hamfest in central >Texas a few weeks ago _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon May 13 11:36:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 13 May 2002 18:36:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 62414 invoked from network); 13 May 2002 18:36:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2002 18:36:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14206.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2002 18:36:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20020513183646.84672.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 May 2002 11:36:46 PDT Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 11:36:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Interesting Broadcasting Ideas if somebody will listen To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Check out this guy's idea of broadcasting: http://www.geocities.com/jazzjockebstevenson/BroadcastingModel/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From amfmdx@fastq.com Mon May 13 12:11:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 13 May 2002 19:10:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 53269 invoked from network); 13 May 2002 19:10:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2002 19:10:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2002 19:10:56 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d30-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.62]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g4DJAsn02487 for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 12:10:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <002301c1fab1$8ef28b60$3ef9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <20020513183646.84672.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Interesting Broadcasting Ideas if somebody will listen Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 12:08:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla John, I know this guy, his real name is Eric Bueneman. Hes a little different. I do know one thing, he HATES Clear Channel, Kevin Mesa, Arizona ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnny Electron" To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 11:36 AM Subject: {AMSF} Interesting Broadcasting Ideas if somebody will listen > Check out this guy's idea of broadcasting: > http://www.geocities.com/jazzjockebstevenson/BroadcastingModel/ From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Mon May 13 13:02:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 13 May 2002 20:02:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 81949 invoked from network); 13 May 2002 20:02:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2002 20:02:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf00bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.20) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2002 20:02:28 -0000 Received: from juan ([67.32.226.183]) by imf00bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020513200353.VCWQ17777.imf00bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 16:03:53 -0400 Message-ID: <001601c1fab9$1b1a5990$b7e22043@juan> To: Subject: Help Needed Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 16:02:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I own a 1989 Buick Park Avenue with the Delco non AM Stereo receiver. A few months ago I found A Delco receiver with AM Stereo...I am not even sure if it works....but as far as size goes...it is exactly the same as the radio in the car now. I had some work done today, and asked my mechanic if it wasn't too much trouble to swap radios...well, I was afraid the plugs wouldn't match, and that's what happened. I knew it would be too easy. The wiring harness from the vehicle doesn't match the plugs on the radio. I think there was some on the list that are familiar with vehicle radios...Is there an adapter to make this thing work ? I don't want to mess with splicing, and again..not sure the Delco AM Stereo works. The AM Stereo Delco has the equalizer, and cassette, and is same size of radio currently in the car. I can't find a model number on it. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Juan Gualda gualdaj@bellsouth.net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Mon May 13 13:10:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 13 May 2002 20:10:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 79759 invoked from network); 13 May 2002 20:10:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2002 20:10:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf00bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.20) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2002 20:10:38 -0000 Received: from juan ([67.32.226.183]) by imf00bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020513201204.VHYL17777.imf00bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 16:12:04 -0400 Message-ID: <002501c1faba$3f5ec100$b7e22043@juan> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} WNBC AM stereo airchecks Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 16:10:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 Does anyone have any WNBC AM STEREO airchecks.... looking for Time Machine airchecks in stereo if possible. I have one, but it is kinda noisy. I need to find my tapes. I made quite a few in the 80's including WZAZ, and another one from Jacksonville (can't remember call). I also have somewhere the tape that Kahn sent to stations, trying to convince them to use his system and examples of platform motion. I also have a pamphlet from WGBS on how to tune in AM Stereo with 2 radios. This stuff is packed away (many moves ago) So I need to dig it out. Is there any interst in this stuff ? Juan gualdaj@bellsouth.net From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon May 13 13:31:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 13 May 2002 20:31:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 56385 invoked from network); 13 May 2002 20:31:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2002 20:31:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2002 20:31:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2002 20:31:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 20:31:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Expanded Band Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3CDF94BB.E4026598@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1295 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.68.10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > 47.73.30 Note5. where it states that they Prefer the extended band > station to be Stereo... Its not manditory....theirfore its not a > violation if the station is not in Stereo... Expanded Band AM stations that signed up for a "Stereo Preference" are obligated to broadcast in AM Stereo. When applying to move to the Expanded Band, 1350 WHWH (the "parent" station of WTTM) did apply for a "Stereo Preference", and that is partially why 1680 WTTM is on the air today. Thus, 1680 WTTM got its license approved because they promised to the FCC that they would broadcast in AM Stereo. If WTTM breaks this promise by broadcasting in Mono, the FCC could (if they really wanted to) revoke WTTM's license and shut down the station! Basically, what the "Stereo Preference" is, when the FCC was designing the scheme of which stations will set up Expanded Band transmitters, they gave preference to the stations that promised to broadcast in Stereo on the Expanded Band. So, say if WAAA and WZZZ were in the same city and both were trying to get on the Expanded Band, but the FCC only had room for one of them to move to the Expanded Band, and only WZZZ applied for a Stereo Preference, then the FCC would give preference to WZZZ for the Expanded Band allotment and not to WAAA. From ccuff@in4web.com Mon May 13 13:31:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 13 May 2002 20:31:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 89824 invoked from network); 13 May 2002 20:31:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2002 20:31:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2002 20:31:37 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.141]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.224) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 16:31:55 -0400 Message-ID: <003901c1fabd$50a15d80$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <001601c1fab9$1b1a5990$b7e22043@juan> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Help Needed Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 16:32:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 1989 was right on the border between the harness change over. I have run into this before. If your car has the larger molex pins, usually in 3 groups of 3 or 4 wires, that is the old style. If it is all in one connector, with tiny pins, you have the new style. You would need to make an adapter, or get a radio from the type you have. Now, some Buicks used a weird 2 piece radio. Thats a whole other story! CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Juan / John Gualda From davidcoons@webtv.net Mon May 13 14:08:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: davidcoons@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 13 May 2002 21:08:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 66370 invoked from network); 13 May 2002 21:08:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2002 21:08:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net) (209.240.198.119) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2002 21:08:49 -0000 Received: from storefull-2313.public.lawson.webtv.net (storefull-2313.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.212.221]) by mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id C3F311504 for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 14:08:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-2313.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id OAA10175; Mon, 13 May 2002 14:08:49 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRgWtDqz9MTXILd0HPhWTd3AEqXfQIUdLYcEVcgKj6c2iaTKPADi+3Ohxs= Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 17:08:49 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WNBC AM stereo airchecks Message-ID: <14991-3CE02B61-2318@storefull-2313.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Juan / John Gualda" 's message of Mon, 13 May 2002 16:10:34 -0400 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-From: davidcoons@webtv.net (David Coons) From: davidcoons@webtv.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10533228 I have a tape of wnbc in stereo I got in a trade.the "stereo"however must have been done from a multi-system radio in the wrong position as it has a lot of ambiance but little real seperation on songs I know to have a lot From KC4QLP@aol.com Mon May 13 14:38:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 13 May 2002 21:38:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 66911 invoked from network); 13 May 2002 21:38:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2002 21:38:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r04.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.100) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2002 21:38:17 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.183.8449c6e (25309) for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 17:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <183.8449c6e.2a118c46@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 17:38:14 EDT Subject: Re: TFT rack-mount C-Quam AM Stereo exciter To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp << TFT rack-mount C-Quam AM Stereo exciter, from a "military radio station" (I would be interested to know what Military stations have used AM Stereo!): http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item= >> I've seen a few of these around...very rare to find when they do pop up. Hopefully is will be a candidate for AM Stereo conversion for WRCS 70 AM Ahoskie NC. We shall see what happens...... BTW..if anyone runs across a cheaply priced LPB ...{ at least 80 watts} let me know. Thanks, Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Hey Neal! Take a look around E-Bay.....you'll certainly find an AM Stereo portable receiver at some point. As far as someone talking about a violation of FCC rules part 73 and running mono programming while running the pilot....me thinks there is a "short circuit" in someones interpretation of the FCC rules.{grin} Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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References: <191.6fa69ef.2a119124@aol.com> From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That is why I did not turn on the pilot light on WTTM it is still in true MONO. until I get Both 15kc lines at the transmitter.. the studio is now set-up for stereo... when I get Both Lines.. then I will Turn on the Pilot and Be True Stereo.. Not Before However it may go on and off a few times before that.. just to make sure I do have the Gen/Exciter connected correctly... Neal KC4QLP@aol.com wrote: > Hey Neal! > Take a look around E-Bay.....you'll certainly find an AM Stereo > portable > receiver at some point. > > > As far as someone talking about a violation of FCC rules part 73 and > running > mono programming while running the pilot....me thinks there is a > "short > circuit" in someones interpretation of the FCC rules.{grin} > > Bob Carter > Operations/Engineering > > WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 > Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio > > Network > > Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with > engineering > services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. > e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com > http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice > Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC > WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC > WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC > > AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- > amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com > > amstereo-subcribe@topica.com > amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > > NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS > > KC4QLP Amateur Radio > www.kc4qlp.cjb.net > > voice contact-252-335-0856 > fax 1-209-254-8978 > _______________________________________________________ > > WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, > Chapter > 5, Subchapter II, > > "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is > subject to a > download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance > of > these terms." > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------- > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT [Click Here!] > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Mon May 13 18:58:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 14 May 2002 01:58:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 19382 invoked from network); 14 May 2002 01:58:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2002 01:58:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2002 01:58:14 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g4E1wQUv071713 for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 21:58:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3CE06E30.D20991BD@skyweb.net> Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 21:53:53 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Expanded Band Stereo References: From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes I agree with you 100% on the Below. that's exactly the way I read the Rules also.. and Yes they have the authority to shut down the station. However I still don't believe that is a Violation where Fines can be Levied.... the way its Written... however I did look into see if their were other local stations that Tried to File for it and did Not come across any? maybe Im looking in the wrong area..? Either way it Does not matter Because My Personal Intention is to Get it back to Stereo.. in the words Of the Pharo.... So it has be written so It shall be Done... Yes I know Im Cracked in the head lol... Neal kevtronics wrote: > > 47.73.30 Note5. where it states that they Prefer the extended > band > > station to be Stereo... Its not manditory....theirfore its not a > > violation if the station is not in Stereo... > > Expanded Band AM stations that signed up for a "Stereo Preference" are > > obligated to broadcast in AM Stereo. When applying to move to the > Expanded Band, 1350 WHWH (the "parent" station of WTTM) did apply for > a "Stereo Preference", and that is partially why 1680 WTTM is on the > air today. Thus, 1680 WTTM got its license approved because they > promised to the FCC that they would broadcast in AM Stereo. If WTTM > breaks this promise by broadcasting in Mono, the FCC could (if they > really wanted to) revoke WTTM's license and shut down the station! > > Basically, what the "Stereo Preference" is, when the FCC was designing > > the scheme of which stations will set up Expanded Band transmitters, > they gave preference to the stations that promised to broadcast in > Stereo on the Expanded Band. So, say if WAAA and WZZZ were in the > same city and both were trying to get on the Expanded Band, but the > FCC only had room for one of them to move to the Expanded Band, and > only WZZZ applied for a Stereo Preference, then the FCC would give > preference to WZZZ for the Expanded Band allotment and not to WAAA. > > > > Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon May 13 23:22:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 14 May 2002 06:22:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 88620 invoked from network); 14 May 2002 06:22:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2002 06:22:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2002 06:22:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2002 06:22:50 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 06:22:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1680 WTTM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3CE06CD6.E6B22AAC@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 992 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.90.32 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > However it may go on and off a few times before that.. just to make > sure I do have the Gen/Exciter connected correctly... You should bring a CD player or something with you to the transmitter site, so when you are testing the AM Stereo equipment you can play your favorite music in STEREO as a "test" over WTTM to hear how good it sounds! BTW, there is another Asian language station in New Jersey which has recently added Stereo to their signal... WCNJ 89.3 FM in Hazlet, NJ. At a whopping 8 WATTS, their are one of the few "Class D" FM stations still on the air, and despite the extremely low power, they have amazing coverage -- on a good radio, I can hear them in Stereo here in Warren, about 25 miles away! WCNJ actually used to be 10 watts, but when they moved their transmitter site and switched to a taller antenna, they had to drop down to 8 watts (because on FM, antenna height is actually more important than RF power in determining a station's coverage area). From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon May 13 23:27:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 14 May 2002 06:27:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 73147 invoked from network); 14 May 2002 06:27:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2002 06:27:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2002 06:27:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2002 06:27:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 06:27:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: MP3s back online Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 265 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.90.32 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I am pleased to announce that the AM Stereo MP3 files at www.AMStereoRadio.com are once again available for download. This now includes a recording of 1110 KFAB from December 1985. More MP3 files will be coming soon, when I have the time to add them to the site. From n0uiheric@aol.com Tue May 14 02:10:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 14 May 2002 09:10:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 88691 invoked from network); 14 May 2002 09:10:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2002 09:10:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r03.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.99) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2002 09:10:57 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.116.11342c97 (18557) for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 05:10:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <116.11342c97.2a122e9e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 05:10:54 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Interesting Broadcasting Ideas if somebody will listen To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih This ex-commercial radio DJ developed this out of anger at the commercial radio industry for years of discrimination. These are a combination of old and new ideas on how to run a radio station, and it does include the expansion of mandatory AM Stereo to the former 1-A Clears. Most of it has to do with ending illegal discrimination in the radio business. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From n0uiheric@aol.com Tue May 14 02:11:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 14 May 2002 09:11:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 77033 invoked from network); 14 May 2002 09:11:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2002 09:11:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r02.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.98) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2002 09:11:01 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.cc.b7ebf3a (18557) for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 05:10:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 05:10:52 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} This is PATHETIC! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih This is an FM station we're talking about. It is actually against the rules to have an FM station run a Stereo pilot and mono programming on FM radio. The FM station in question is KFNS-FM 100.7 Troy, MO (a 6 kW class A). 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From groucho@skyweb.net Tue May 14 04:40:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 14 May 2002 11:40:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 99479 invoked from network); 14 May 2002 11:40:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2002 11:40:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2002 11:40:04 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g4EBeFUv028719 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 07:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3CE0F6A1.9B0BA5E5@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 07:36:01 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 1680 WTTM Stereo References: From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ROFLMAO.... Kevin I was the Chief Engineer for WCNJ up until Feb. 22nd of this year when there was a hostile takeover...this could be a very long story if you want to know more.... lets just say I left the station because the New management is doing everything against the FCC Rules..at my last count. there were at least 9 violations. and I filed a complaint with the NY and Phily Field offices.. this past Friday the FCC made a Visit To WCNJ and slapped them with Several Violations that I told them about... I figure within a month or 2 their signal will Go Down. and they will pop up a translator at higher than Licensed power at a location other than where its Licensed for ,and again I will make a call. A Whopping 8 watts my Butt. the antenna is located atop the tower at better than 99 Meters. WCNJ is Licensed for 10 watts at 38 meters. the 8 watts at 99 meters was an STA for 2 years that expired back in either 1999or 2000..and reverted back to the 38 meters however they never lowered the antenna.. something that I requested many Times and management never did.after this Friday they will LOL... Besides I own the Antenna and transmitter they are currently using.. and its in the courts for them to return them to Me.. the Station I am Now with(WTTM) is the old WCNJ Staff. minus a few DJ's that decided to jump ship and stay at CNJ.Origionally there were 2 partners In EBC Paul and Arvind.. they both(EBC) leased(LMA) from WVRM inc. parent of WCNJ... well Paul pulled a fast one. and falsely Filed an application to transfer ownership of WVRM inc. into his name as an individual instead of a Partnership using the ECB address and Business info. stating that his partner Arvind resigned which was not true. anyway the FCC granted him WCNJ's transfer without knowledge of the above. and we are Fighting over that..No needless to say knowing what I know. I decided to stay with Arvind and help him Find another station. and we did. that's how WTTM came to be a south Asian station. why should I stay with a 10 watt station who's management is doing Everything to Break the rules to try and Gain More coverage area than licensed for. when I could go to a 10kw commercial station and do things right.. I actually Hope The FCC Revokes WCNJ from the Present management just for falsely Filing the application.. Lets now see what happens with the W220AA translator on 91.9 that's licensed for 1 watt Horizontal in Parlin.... First Bet is that it wont be in Parlin. Second Bet it wont be 1 watt or horizontal polarization either. Before I became CE of WCNJ. 91.9 was running 30 watts vertical from Parlin. when I became CE I found out what was there during a site inspection ,and I changed the transmitter from a BEXT 30 watt to a ramsey 1 watt Fm100 to make sure its 1 watt out.. and also changed the antenna From vertical to an Educational horizontal loop... and the reasons I know what they are going to do is. that I owned the transmitter and antenna to 91.9 also. and upon Leaving in February I took back my stuff..and 91.9 has been off the air since Feb. 22nd of this year.. NOT my problem anymore.. so Kevin what do you Think... did I make the Right move... I think so... BTW.... My partner Business Gerrard(Rod) Cappola was the Engineer before me at WCNJ.. I lost Rod in the trade Center attack where he also worked as an Engineer for channel 13 WNET on the 110th Floor Neal Newman Chief Engineer WTTM 1680 am Princeton,NJ ex Chief of WCNJ LOL...... kevtronics wrote: > > However it may go on and off a few times before that.. just to make > > > sure I do have the Gen/Exciter connected correctly... > > You should bring a CD player or something with you to the transmitter > site, so when you are testing the AM Stereo equipment you can play > your favorite music in STEREO as a "test" over WTTM to hear how good > it sounds! > > BTW, there is another Asian language station in New Jersey which has > recently added Stereo to their signal... WCNJ 89.3 FM in Hazlet, NJ. > At a whopping 8 WATTS, their are one of the few "Class D" FM stations > still on the air, and despite the extremely low power, they have > amazing coverage -- on a good radio, I can hear them in Stereo here in > > Warren, about 25 miles away! > > WCNJ actually used to be 10 watts, but when they moved their > transmitter site and switched to a taller antenna, they had to drop > down to 8 watts (because on FM, antenna height is actually more > important than RF power in determining a station's coverage area). > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmdx@fastq.com Tue May 14 06:31:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 14 May 2002 13:31:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 61739 invoked from network); 14 May 2002 13:31:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2002 13:31:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2002 13:31:43 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d70-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.102]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g4EDVgn23675 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 06:31:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <001101c1fb4b$085b3a80$66f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <116.11342c97.2a122e9e@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Interesting Broadcasting Ideas if somebody will listen Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 06:26:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > This ex-commercial radio DJ developed this out of anger at the commercial > radio industry for years of discrimination. Eric, I have always been curious and you don't have to answer if you don't want, do you have a handicap? I only ask because as long as I have known you, you have been a tireless advocate for the handicapped. > These are a combination of old > and new ideas on how to run a radio station, and it does include the > expansion of mandatory AM Stereo to the former 1-A Clears. I don't have a problem with many of your ideas. Some I think are absolutely unworkable, but most I believe are just fine and would like to see implemented. > Most of it has to do with ending illegal discrimination in the radio business. Not having ever worked in radio, especially because its very very very low paying, I would have to take your word for it. I would say we agree on about 90% of what you espouse. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Tue May 14 12:14:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 14 May 2002 19:14:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 81214 invoked from network); 14 May 2002 19:14:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2002 19:14:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf16bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.56) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2002 19:14:48 -0000 Received: from juan ([67.34.231.110]) by imf16bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020514191613.HDDC12902.imf16bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 15:16:13 -0400 Message-ID: <001101c1fb7b$9cbb8a10$6ee72243@juan> To: Subject: Connecters Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 15:14:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Regarding the Delco radio connectors; Try going to a really good local car stereo store - some of the better ones carry a GM/Delco ADAPTER to go from a 1985-1988 Radio to a 1989-1995 Connector in the car. The radios from 85-88 had a big 3 piece connector, while the 1989 has a much smaller white/blue/black connector, AND has a smaller antenna connector on the 1989. You will also need an antenna adapter to go from the normal sized antenna jack on the radio to the small GM antenna plug, plus the adapter cable. Worst case, you could maybe trade the radio with somebody on the group. Could you take photos of it and invite people on the AM Stereo list to email you for the photos to see if they want to trade a radio with you? 73's Johnn I think I found the adapter http://www.mnrelectronics.com/electronman/par16del21to.html By the way, this place has a few older Delco radios for sale. Now..let's hope the radio works ! Thanks for your help. Juan gualdaj@bellsouth.net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Tue May 14 12:26:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 14 May 2002 19:26:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 62702 invoked from network); 14 May 2002 19:26:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2002 19:26:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2002 19:26:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2002 19:26:06 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 19:26:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WNBC AM stereo airchecks Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <14991-3CE02B61-2318@storefull-2313.public.lawson.webtv.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 326 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 141.157.201.51 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@y..., davidcoons@w... wrote: > I have a tape of wnbc in stereo I got in a trade.the "stereo"however > must have been done from a multi-system radio in the wrong position as > it has a lot of ambiance but little real seperation on songs I know to > have a lot Want to trade? What are you looking for? From scott.toenniessen@fmr.com Tue May 14 13:17:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: scott.toenniessen@fmr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 14 May 2002 20:17:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 98168 invoked from network); 14 May 2002 20:17:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2002 20:17:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2002 20:17:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2002 20:17:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 20:17:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 740 WJIB Cambridge/Boston back in Stereo Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 110 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "spt87a" X-Originating-IP: 204.110.135.35 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Hey, I had to drive into work this afternoon and found WJIB back in stereo with full separation! - Scott From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue May 14 14:02:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 14 May 2002 21:02:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 98535 invoked from network); 14 May 2002 21:02:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2002 21:02:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2002 21:02:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2002 21:02:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 21:02:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: This is PATHETIC! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1865 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.157 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > This is an FM station we're talking about. It is actually against > the rules to have an FM station run a Stereo pilot and mono > programming on FM radio. Actually I don't know if that rule applies anymore. There *used* to be a rule that if an FM stations was running mono programming for more than a certain amount of time, like 10 minutes, they had to turn off the Stereo pilot. But I think this was repealed. There are plenty of NPR and talk stations on FM that run programs for hours exclusively in mono over a "Stereo" signal. For example, 91.5 WNYE in New York City runs the BBC World Service at night, which is produced and aired in mono, over a signal with the Stereo generator on all the time. NPR station 93.9 WNYC used to turn off the Stereo during talk programs, and only turn it on during music programs, but lately they've gotten eclectic about that; often they run talk programs in "Stereo", and music programs in Mono! One FM talk station in my area does abide by this rule, however, by using a Stereo reverb/echo to their audio. And, in 1960s style, it is applied to *all* their audio -- talk, commercials, and even music! Sometimes it sounds a bit annoying (too "spacey"), but I guess they think of it as their "trademark". Speaking of which, the only *AM Stereo* station I've encountered using a Stereo reverb/echo effect on their audio is 740 WJIB. Anybody know of any others? The use of reverb on AM seems to be a lost art these days -- stations don't even use it on the DJ's microphone anymore. Sometimes I play the radio through my 1960s tube-type guitar amplifier, just for fun so I can use its mechanical echo feature. (Yes, *mechanical* -- the audio signal goes through a spring in a metal box that vibrates to create the echo effect. If you slap the amplifier's case, you get a loud "BOIINNNGGG"!) From n0uiheric@aol.com Tue May 14 15:26:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 14 May 2002 22:26:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 14442 invoked from network); 14 May 2002 22:26:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2002 22:26:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r04.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.100) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2002 22:26:06 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.19b.2464083 (4380) for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 18:25:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19b.2464083.2a12e8ef@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 18:25:51 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Interesting Broadcasting Ideas if somebody will listen To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Actually, Kevin...ALL ARE WORKABLE. For instance, commercial radio IS NOT USING COLLEGE RADIO AS A SOURCE FOR NEW TALENT. The original intent of college radio was just that; to train the radio stars and top engineers of the future. Today, the radio stars and engineers of the future find themselves squeezed out of careers. Commercial radio also discriminates against homegrown talent. Randy Michaels and Lowry Mays have been a leader in efforts to eliminate ALL HOMEGROWN TALENT from our commercial radio dials. And that's not just on-air talent; fewer and fewer engineers are also hometown products. I think limits on the amount of out-of-town talent would be ideal for TRUE LOCALISM to return. Also, an outright ban on voicetracking (VT is actually in violation of Rule 73.1208, Section A of the FCC Rules). I favor a STRICT INTERPRETATION of the FCC Rules. In other words, the FCC Rules should be THE GOSPEL TRUTH of commercial radio. Too many loose interpretations of the FCC Rules have cost many an engineer (even a pro-AM Stereo engineer) and legitimate air talent his or her job. I also favor a strict interpretation of the Americans with Disabilities Act in commercial radio employment. While I refuse to reveal whether I am disabled or not (such revelations are detrimental to career growth), I strongly believe that the disabled (even those with disabilities not noticeable to the naked eye and minor disabilities) are GROSSLY UNDERREPRESENTED in the commercial media, and are often targets of DJ insults. As long as the negative, "can't do" attitudes persist in commercial radio, the industry has a bleak future. The only way commercial radio can have a bright future is by embracing more positive, "can do" attitudes, and embracing new ideas. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Tue May 14 15:49:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 14 May 2002 22:49:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 48035 invoked from network); 14 May 2002 22:49:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2002 22:49:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf08bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.48) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2002 22:49:52 -0000 Received: from juan ([67.32.219.109]) by imf08bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020514225118.TJSG17991.imf08bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 18:51:18 -0400 Message-ID: <002901c1fb99$a84f9380$6ddb2043@juan> To: References: <19b.2464083.2a12e8ef@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Interesting Broadcasting Ideas if somebody will listen Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 18:49:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 If I can add my two cents here. I am been in broadcasting now for 19 years. There's have been a lot of changes since I started spinning 45's in 1983. Radio Stations are a business..plain and simple. It used to be they were mostly owned my mom and pop owners who had a passion about the business, and made some money to put food on the table..maybe pass it on to the kids. Well Radio is still about making money, and making money only. Deregulation has turned radio stations into cash cows...as corporations care ONLY about the bottom line. I have nothing against someone earning a living, but deregualtion should NEVER have happened. I am a Capatalist, but Radio stations should be regulated like a Utility. Unlike say, a grocery store...gas station..bookstore...I can't just start up a radio station..there are only so many signals available. COMPETITION is what makes Radio a better product, and when you have most of the stations in only a few hands..the listeners suffer. Creative owners are countering groups like Clear Channel and winning the ratings war. All is not lost, but I can't see radio going back to the days before consolidation. Radio for me is a passion. I could have chosen a career that was more stable, paid more, but I am doing what I love, and as long as I don't become a part of the problem, I will keep doing what I'm doing.......and keeping the faith. Radio is still great, You just have to search a little harder to find it Juan Gualda WGYL / WTTB / WOSN / WGNX > Actually, Kevin...ALL ARE WORKABLE. For instance, commercial radio IS NOT > USING COLLEGE RADIO AS A SOURCE FOR NEW TALENT. The original intent of > college radio was just that; to train the radio stars and top engineers of > the future. Today, the radio stars and engineers of the future find > themselves squeezed out of careers. > Commercial radio also discriminates against homegrown talent. Randy Michaels > and Lowry Mays have been a leader in efforts to eliminate ALL HOMEGROWN > TALENT from our commercial radio dials. And that's not just on-air talent; > fewer and fewer engineers are also hometown products. I think limits on the > amount of out-of-town talent would be ideal for TRUE LOCALISM to return. > Also, an outright ban on voicetracking (VT is actually in violation of Rule > 73.1208, Section A of the FCC Rules). > I favor a STRICT INTERPRETATION of the FCC Rules. In other words, the FCC > Rules should be THE GOSPEL TRUTH of commercial radio. Too many loose > interpretations of the FCC Rules have cost many an engineer (even a pro-AM > Stereo engineer) and legitimate air talent his or her job. > I also favor a strict interpretation of the Americans with Disabilities Act > in commercial radio employment. While I refuse to reveal whether I am > disabled or not (such revelations are detrimental to career growth), I > strongly believe that the disabled (even those with disabilities not > noticeable to the naked eye and minor disabilities) are GROSSLY > UNDERREPRESENTED in the commercial media, and are often targets of DJ insults. > As long as the negative, "can't do" attitudes persist in commercial radio, > the industry has a bleak future. The only way commercial radio can have a > bright future is by embracing more positive, "can do" attitudes, and > embracing new ideas. > > 73 and good DX from Eric > Amateur Radio Station N0UIH > Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN > Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 > DXing The World since 1981 > Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel > PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION > "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From davidcoons@webtv.net Tue May 14 16:28:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: davidcoons@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 14 May 2002 23:28:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 74389 invoked from network); 14 May 2002 23:28:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2002 23:28:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net) (209.240.198.119) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2002 23:28:09 -0000 Received: from storefull-2312.public.lawson.webtv.net (storefull-2312.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.212.220]) by mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id F158B708 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 16:28:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-2312.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id QAA28931; Tue, 14 May 2002 16:28:08 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQIH4/jPkD0uWea0kWVZOaKpWEdKwIUGc7o9lO7zO3yOi5weP4qKZxLTHU= Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 19:28:08 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Interesting Broadcasting Ideas if somebody will listen Message-ID: <10972-3CE19D88-1343@storefull-2312.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Juan / John Gualda" 's message of Tue, 14 May 2002 18:49:23 -0400 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-From: davidcoons@webtv.net (David Coons) From: davidcoons@webtv.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10533228 here in orlando news talk wdbo am 580,owned by cox is beating clear channels"real radio'104.1also talk, hands down in the ratings.I know nothing about cox but its nice to see an am talker beat a clear channel fm From davidcoons@webtv.net Tue May 14 16:31:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: davidcoons@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 14 May 2002 23:31:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 43995 invoked from network); 14 May 2002 23:31:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2002 23:31:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net) (209.240.198.119) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2002 23:31:35 -0000 Received: from storefull-2312.public.lawson.webtv.net (storefull-2312.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.212.220]) by mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id 02C0473B for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 16:31:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-2312.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id QAA29069; Tue, 14 May 2002 16:31:34 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAy5q36QItOJnDTvmDa3hTgjN0B3cCFDIpHq55//to5CGaBxPGdZApcJT+ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 19:31:34 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: reverb Message-ID: <10971-3CE19E56-1616@storefull-2312.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "kevtronics" 's message of Tue, 14 May 2002 21:02:08 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-From: davidcoons@webtv.net (David Coons) From: davidcoons@webtv.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10533228 yes,am stereo 1150 wmex boston was using a stereo echo on their oldies formated station in 1987-88 From davidcoons@webtv.net Tue May 14 16:34:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: davidcoons@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 14 May 2002 23:34:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 81600 invoked from network); 14 May 2002 23:34:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2002 23:34:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net) (209.240.198.119) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2002 23:34:07 -0000 Received: from storefull-2312.public.lawson.webtv.net (storefull-2312.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.212.220]) by mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id CDCCD14B for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 16:34:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-2312.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id QAA29167; Tue, 14 May 2002 16:34:07 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAkqH17F8EG+0d0P0E5R9aRR6exRkCFDxjl99q7HK4LUqv5xdIdGRJj03u Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 19:34:07 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WNBC AM stereo airchecks Message-ID: <10970-3CE19EEF-1847@storefull-2312.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "wgliradio" 's message of Tue, 14 May 2002 19:26:06 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-From: davidcoons@webtv.net (David Coons) From: davidcoons@webtv.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10533228 would love to trade! have any classic top 40 65-75? new england,new york,or chicago? From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue May 14 17:20:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 15 May 2002 00:20:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 66621 invoked from network); 15 May 2002 00:20:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2002 00:20:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2002 00:20:33 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-229.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.229]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4F0J4dj009873 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 19:19:05 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003701c1fba6$91d6c940$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: This is PATHETIC! Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 19:22:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Pirate radio may be our only option at this point. I hear the FCC doesn't hassle AM pirates that much unless they try to sell advertising. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: rjskadl To: Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 2:28 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: This is PATHETIC! > > > > Well, now I have TWO useless radio bands!... > > ...radio SUCKS! > > I HATE THIS! > > > The entire industry is going to hell. It is really depressing. > -Russ > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue May 14 17:46:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 15 May 2002 00:46:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 24343 invoked from network); 15 May 2002 00:46:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2002 00:46:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2002 00:46:37 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-229.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.229]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4F0j8dj014177 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 19:45:09 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00ad01c1fbaa$36282fe0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo at this year's Burning Man Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 19:48:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Crazy? Nah, you're saner than most with that kind of thinking. What sort of things, other than the shelter, will you need for it? If it were Minn., I'd suggest borrowing someone's ice-fishing house for a shelter, but don't know what's available to you there. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Alfredo E. Torrejon > First off, I apologize for my long hiatus from the AM Stereo > forums. However, I have a really crazy idea that I want to pull off, and > this seems like the right forum for it. From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue May 14 17:47:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 15 May 2002 00:47:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 1951 invoked from network); 15 May 2002 00:47:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2002 00:47:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2002 00:47:42 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-229.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.229]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4F0kEdj014382 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 19:46:15 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00b301c1fbaa$5d681980$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <19c.223a52a.2a0f2ef3@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another AM Stereo Station About To Bite The Dust Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 19:49:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude If they do shut it off, please let us know ASAP. I'll contact their engineer and see if they'd part with their AMS gear. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: > Fans of classic country music will no longer have this kind of music > available in AM Stereo after Monday (5/13). From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue May 14 17:50:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 15 May 2002 00:50:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 74117 invoked from network); 15 May 2002 00:50:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2002 00:50:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2002 00:50:23 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-229.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.229]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4F0msdj014841 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 19:48:56 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00bb01c1fbaa$bd44cf60$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KVOO Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 19:52:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Not that one! Looks like a late 70s/early 80s vintage. I've got a Collins 212F-1 from the early 60s, and the last tube console, the 212G was late 60s. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics > Perhaps some of the techies here could identify the approximate age of > the audio control board WKMB uses, based on the photo? They has been > on the air since 1972, and they still use the original Collins > vacuum-tube transmitter, so the audio board might be 30 years old as > well! From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue May 14 17:53:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 15 May 2002 00:53:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 64310 invoked from network); 15 May 2002 00:53:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2002 00:53:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2002 00:53:41 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-229.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.229]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4F0qCdj015401 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 19:52:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00c801c1fbab$330f3aa0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <200205121533.g4CFXYK9019657@mail12.megamailservers.com> <3CDF8628.353D059B@skyweb.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} looking for ams portable reciever Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 19:55:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Does it really need to be portable? If you just need it for making adjustments at the xmtr., why not get a car radio from a salvage yard and power it off a power supply? None of the most popular AMS portables ever came with a stereo indicator. I suppose the other alternative is to buy a new boombox and add one of Chris Cuff's decoder boards which will give you a pilot indication. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Neal Newman > It dawned on me over the weekend... I need an AM Stereo receiver that > can handle the expanded band to 1700kc. small portable like a walkman > with pilot light. so when I work on the Transmitter I know If I actually > have the stereo Gen. working.... From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue May 14 17:55:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 15 May 2002 00:55:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 96316 invoked from network); 15 May 2002 00:55:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2002 00:55:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2002 00:55:16 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-229.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.229]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4F0rmdj015663 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 19:53:49 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00d001c1fbab$6c060dc0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <002501c1faba$3f5ec100$b7e22043@juan> Subject: Re: {AMSF} WNBC AM stereo airchecks Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 19:56:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude At this point I think we need to be saving anything AMS related we can get our hands on. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Juan / John Gualda > I also have somewhere the tape that Kahn sent to stations, > trying to convince them to use his system and examples of platform motion. I > also have a pamphlet from WGBS on how to tune in AM Stereo with 2 radios. > This stuff is packed away (many moves ago) So I need to dig it out. Is there > any interst in this stuff ? From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue May 14 18:03:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 15 May 2002 01:03:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 11307 invoked from network); 15 May 2002 01:03:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2002 01:03:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2002 01:03:11 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-229.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.229]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4F11gdj017038 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 20:01:43 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00ef01c1fbac$86e9cae0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 740 WJIB Cambridge/Boston back in Stereo Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 20:04:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Thanks for the great news! We can use some about now. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: spt87a > I had to drive into work this afternoon and found WJIB back in stereo > with full separation! > From rjskadl@yahoo.com Tue May 14 18:19:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 15 May 2002 01:19:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 6809 invoked from network); 15 May 2002 01:19:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2002 01:19:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2002 01:19:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2002 01:19:30 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 01:19:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WWRL 1600 AM New York Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 752 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl Maybe one of you guys who lives closer to or within the primary of WWRL might want to verify this, but It sounded to me today like WWRL is using Powerside. If that's the case, then Kiss Stereo Goodbye at WWRL. I know someone who has been doing some contract work in their studios, and the mention of Powerside did come up in conversation about the place. It seems they been having real bad signal problems and they were looking into powerside to potentially alleviate the problem a bit. I haven't really noticed any real gain or reduction in their signal though. All I really notice is that they are getting the same kind of effect that WADO gives, and we know WADO uses powerside. Check it out guys. I expect a full detailed report! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue May 14 19:15:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 15 May 2002 02:15:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 50732 invoked from network); 15 May 2002 02:15:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2002 02:15:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2002 02:15:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2002 02:15:11 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 02:15:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WWRL 1600 AM New York Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2425 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.157 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Maybe one of you guys who lives closer to or within the primary of > WWRL might want to verify this, but It sounded to me today like WWRL > is using Powerside. I'll check them tonight, but I never get a good signal from WWRL at night. I'd definitely investigate them tomorrow during the daytime. PowerSide can be characterized on a mono receiver by a grundgy, distorted sound. Even when tuned up exactly perfect, PowerSide still sounds distorted and overmodulated, especially with music... and the way most stations run it, it can range from marginally acceptable to really, really bad. In Denver, I heard a station actually promoting their PowerSide by calling themselves "POWER 1510"... and they had the worst audio on the whole AM dial there. When upgrading from 5,000 to 50,000 watts (daytime), 1280 WADO considered turning off their PowerSide, but they decided to keep it on, even though they don't really need it during the day. There is some web site with photos of WADO's equipment rack and it points out the Kahn AM STEREO exciter that WADO is using to produce their PowerSide. I don't think Kahn has ever made a PowerSide-ONLY exciter. He only makes combined AM Stereo and PowerSide exciters with either mode available at the flip of a switch. So, any station using PowerSide is equipped to broadcast in Kahn AM Stereo if they wanted to! Anyway, as for WWRL, as late as a year after their AM Stereo disappeared (in August 2000), they were still claiming that they were getting it "fixed" and that they had plans to return to AM Stereo. Sadly, that never materialized, even though once in a while you'll hear them play an ID on the air that mentions "...in AM Stereo". One station in New York City that SHOULD be in AM Stereo is 1190 WLIB. They easily have the best mono audio of any AM station in NYC... very crisp and clear, with absolutely no distortion. Their high power nighttime signal is great too, now that 1190 WOWO is out of the way. WLIB plays a lot of music and they should be in Stereo, but so far my attempts to get a response from them on the subject have proved unsuccessful. I think somebody should send to both WWRL and WLIB a tape of 1090 WILD in Boston, to show them just how fantastic an AM STEREO Urban/R&B music station can sound. WILD even takes their phone calls in Stereo... the DJ is in one channel, and the caller is in the other channel! From rjskadl@yahoo.com Tue May 14 20:05:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 15 May 2002 03:05:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 47750 invoked from network); 15 May 2002 03:05:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2002 03:05:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2002 03:05:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2002 03:05:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 03:05:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WWRL 1600 AM New York Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1072 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl >I never get a good signal from WWRL at night. I'd definitely >investigate them tomorrow during the daytime. > Yeah, WWRL's Signal is bad During the day, but barely noticable at night around here. > PowerSide can be characterized on a mono receiver by a grundgy, > distorted sound. Even when tuned up exactly perfect, PowerSide > still sounds distorted and overmodulated, especially with music... > and the way most stations run it, it can range from marginally > acceptable to really, really bad. On an SRF-A1 the powerside sounds all distorted in C-Quam mode, and in Kahn mode you get loud distorted mids and highs on the right channel and distorted lows on the left channel. WADO has been doing this ever since I got the radio. Now today WWRL was doing the same thing. > > One station in New York City that SHOULD be in AM Stereo is 1190 > WLIB. I agree 100% > WILD even takes their phone calls in Stereo... the DJ is in one > channel, and the caller is in the other channel! Do you have a recording of this? I think that would be neat to hear. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue May 14 21:43:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 15 May 2002 04:43:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 70857 invoked from network); 15 May 2002 04:43:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2002 04:43:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2002 04:43:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2002 04:43:46 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 04:43:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WWRL 1600 AM New York Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 519 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.157 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Yeah, WWRL's Signal is bad During the day, but barely noticable at > night around here. WWRL's nighttime signal is especially bad because it is still "protecting" 1590 WERA, 1590 WQQW, and 1600 WLNG even though these stations don't exist anymore. It has so many nulls, the pattern looks like a rooster with long legs: http://www.radio-locator.com/pats/WWRL_AM_LN.gif That has to be the worst 5000-watt nighttime signal in the NYC area... even 820 WNYC covers the area better at night, with only 1000 watts. From kfornal@loa.com Tue May 14 21:53:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kfornal@loa.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 15 May 2002 04:53:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 36941 invoked from network); 15 May 2002 04:53:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2002 04:53:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao01.cox.net) (68.1.17.244) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2002 04:53:33 -0000 Received: from OMNIBOOK ([68.9.127.164]) by lakemtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020515045332.LQIG29627.lakemtao01.cox.net@OMNIBOOK> for ; Wed, 15 May 2002 00:53:32 -0400 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: WWRL 1600 AM New York Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 00:53:22 -0400 Message-ID: <001901c1fbcc$73f28ba0$0401a8c0@OMNIBOOK> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal From: "Keith Fornal" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110312140 X-Yahoo-Profile: theradboy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought those 3 stations were bought and taken dark to expand WWRL's coverage? Keith Fornal Treasurer Dutch Island Lighthouse Society www.dutchislandlighthouse.org -----Original Message----- From: kevtronics [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:44 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: WWRL 1600 AM New York > Yeah, WWRL's Signal is bad During the day, but barely noticable at > night around here. WWRL's nighttime signal is especially bad because it is still "protecting" 1590 WERA, 1590 WQQW, and 1600 WLNG even though these stations don't exist anymore. It has so many nulls, the pattern looks like a rooster with long legs: http://www.radio-locator.com/pats/WWRL_AM_LN.gif That has to be the worst 5000-watt nighttime signal in the NYC area... even 820 WNYC covers the area better at night, with only 1000 watts. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmdx@fastq.com Tue May 14 23:43:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 15 May 2002 06:43:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 49414 invoked from network); 15 May 2002 06:43:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2002 06:43:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2002 06:43:24 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d150-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.182]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g4F6hNn57855 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 23:43:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <006001c1fbdb$2273ab60$b6f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <19b.2464083.2a12e8ef@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Interesting Broadcasting Ideas if somebody will listen Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 23:38:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Actually, Kevin...ALL ARE WORKABLE. All aren't workable. If someone took your requirement for education to be on the air to the Supreme Court it would be hopelessly mauled and destroyed in a picosecond. Many of the ideas are very good though and I am glad to see you putting ideas out into the world. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed May 15 00:51:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 15 May 2002 07:51:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 34964 invoked from network); 15 May 2002 07:51:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2002 07:51:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2002 07:51:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2002 07:51:56 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 07:51:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WWRL 1600 AM New York Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001901c1fbcc$73f28ba0$0401a8c0@OMNIBOOK> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 441 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.157 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I thought those 3 stations were bought and taken dark to expand > WWRL's coverage? Yes.... that allowed WWRL to upgrade to 25,000 watts during the *daytime* with a somewhat less restrictive directional pattern. However, WWRL's *nighttime* power level and signal pattern have not changed, so at night they are still "protecting" the "signals" of WERA, WQQW, and WLNG, even though these stations haven't been on the air since 1997. From groucho@skyweb.net Wed May 15 01:27:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 15 May 2002 08:27:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 94082 invoked from network); 15 May 2002 08:27:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2002 08:27:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2002 08:27:27 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g4F8RgUv004722 for ; Wed, 15 May 2002 04:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3CE21B00.D62DB203@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 04:23:28 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WWRL 1600 AM New York References: From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ahh yes.. But I have a plan up my sleeve to re energize one of the WERA towers someday..If I get my way..... hint hint...( yes legally too...) Neal kevtronics wrote: > > I thought those 3 stations were bought and taken dark to expand > > WWRL's coverage? > > Yes.... that allowed WWRL to upgrade to 25,000 watts during the > *daytime* with a somewhat less restrictive directional pattern. > > However, WWRL's *nighttime* power level and signal pattern have not > changed, so at night they are still "protecting" the "signals" of > WERA, WQQW, and WLNG, even though these stations haven't been on the > air since 1997. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kfornal@loa.com Wed May 15 10:15:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kfornal@loa.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 15 May 2002 17:15:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 65465 invoked from network); 15 May 2002 17:15:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2002 17:15:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao03.cox.net) (68.1.17.242) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2002 17:15:26 -0000 Received: from OMNIBOOK ([68.9.127.164]) by lakemtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020515171526.BRVS1975.lakemtao03.cox.net@OMNIBOOK> for ; Wed, 15 May 2002 13:15:26 -0400 To: Subject: Another Ibiquity Experimental AM proposed Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 13:15:16 -0400 Message-ID: <001101c1fc34$1801bab0$0401a8c0@OMNIBOOK> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Keith Fornal" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110312140 X-Yahoo-Profile: theradboy From Today's FCC Daily Digest: AM STATION APPLICATIONS FOR EXPERIMENTAL STATION ACCEPTED FOR FILING -------------------------------------------------------------------- MD BPEX-20020507AAY NEW 136922 IBIQUITY DIGITAL CORPORATION CP NEW AM EXPERIMENTAL STN P 640 KHZ FREDERICK, MD IN FREDERICK, MD FILED BY IBIQUITY DIGITAL CORPORATION ON FREQUENCY 640KHZ; 4KW-DAY This station seems too close to 50,000 watt 640 WWJZ in Mt. Holly, NJ at approximately 150 miles. Also seems a bit to close to 630 WMAL Washington, DC at about 30 miles. Keith Fornal Treasurer Dutch Island Lighthouse Society www.dutchislandlighthouse.org From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed May 15 11:48:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 15 May 2002 18:48:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 2673 invoked from network); 15 May 2002 18:48:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2002 18:48:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2002 18:48:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2002 18:48:41 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 18:48:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WERA Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3CE21B00.D62DB203@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 768 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.158 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Ahh yes.. But I have a plan up my sleeve to re energize one of the > WERA towers someday..If I get my way..... hint hint...( yes legally > too...) I used to listen to 1590 WERA a lot... in their day, they were a great local AM station, and I think they even used AM Stereo for a while (possibly with the Kahn or Harris system). However, by the mid-1990s they had become a shadow of their former self, so when WWRL bought them out and took them off the air in early 1997, they probably only had a few good years left anyway. The WERA studio building and towers are still there in Plainfield, NJ, but the transmitter equipment is long gone. One of their two transmitters in now in use as a ham radio transmitter: http://www.qsl.net/wa2whv/bta-500r.shtml From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed May 15 11:57:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 15 May 2002 18:57:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 13455 invoked from network); 15 May 2002 18:57:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2002 18:57:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2002 18:57:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2002 18:57:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 18:57:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1600 WWRL now PowerSide Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 948 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.158 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Former C-Quam AM Stereo station 1600 WWRL in New York City is indeed now using the Kahn PowerSide system, with the signal focus on the upper (right) sideband. The audio doesn't sound quite as distorted as that of fellow PowerSide stations 1280 WADO or 610 WIP, but this could be because either WWRL has theirs tuned up better, or because they are not pushing the modulation as high. I have noticed no real improvement of WWRL's signal, although on a multi-system AM Stereo radio in Kahn mode, having their audio only in the right channel does help to make them stand out from the "crowd" on 1600 kHz at night. Perhaps now is the time of contact WWRL and ask if they still have their C-Quam equipment, and if so, if they would be interested in selling it: 1600 WWRL Access 1 Communications 41-30 58th Street Woodside, NY 11377 Phone: (718) 335-1600 Fax: (718) 533-9510 http://www.wwrl1600.com/ WWRL uses a Harris DX-25 transmitter. From ccuff@in4web.com Wed May 15 12:28:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 15 May 2002 19:27:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 36216 invoked from network); 15 May 2002 19:27:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2002 19:27:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2002 19:27:58 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.124]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.224) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 15 May 2002 15:28:25 -0400 Message-ID: <000901c1fc46$c0521680$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1600 WWRL now PowerSide Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 15:28:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I noticed this morning on WWRL a high- pitched screeching. I never had trouble receiving them before. For me, they are a lot weaker. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics From n0uiheric@aol.com Wed May 15 12:53:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 15 May 2002 19:53:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 32317 invoked from network); 15 May 2002 19:53:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2002 19:53:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r03.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.99) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2002 19:53:52 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.a6.262621eb (18559) for ; Wed, 15 May 2002 15:53:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 15:53:49 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Interesting Broadcasting Ideas if somebody will listen To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Sorry, but I disagree...while radio stations are a business, they are, above all else, A SERVICE TO THE PUBLIC AND THE COMMUNITIES THEY SERVE. So many stations have abandoned serving their TRUE AUDIENCE (the public at large; the average Joe or Jane on Main Street), and serving only the "suits" on Wall Street. This has done a disservice to the public interest...no wonder more and more Americans are tuning out commercial radio in record numbers. More and more minorities and people with disabilities are being turned down for employment at commercial radio stations. The negative attitudes brought about by deregulation has brought about a higher unemployment rate among minorities and people with disabilities. In fact, the unemployment rate among people with even minor disabilities trying to get into radio runs about 99%, compared to the national average unemployment rate among this group of 70%. The only way radio would have been more appealing is the industry doing what the NFL and NBA did: institute a salary cap. A salary cap would have allowed for more radio people to make an honest living in commercial radio, and allowed for radio to become more attractive for students just finishing high school. Without the salary cap, there are too few "haves" and far too many "have nots". This leveled the playing field for smaller market clubs. While small market clubs like the St. Louis Rams and Green Bay Packers in the NFL and the San Antonio Spurs in the NBA have won league titles in the last ten years, the leagues without salary caps, like the NHL and Major League Baseball, find their leagues still dominated by major market teams like the Arizona Diamondbacks, New York Yankees, Colorado Avalanche and Detroit Red Wings. The last small market team to win a World Series was the Minnesota Twins; the last small market team to win a Stanley Cup was the Edmonton Oilers. AM Stereo may have helped turn AM radio in general around; but the failed marketplace approach caused many to jump ship. I think the marketplace approach in commercial radio has failed, too. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From n0uiheric@aol.com Wed May 15 12:53:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 15 May 2002 19:53:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 90891 invoked from network); 15 May 2002 19:53:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2002 19:53:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r01.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.97) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2002 19:53:51 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.3c.1e46cb6a (18559) for ; Wed, 15 May 2002 15:53:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3c.1e46cb6a.2a1416c9@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 15:53:45 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Interesting Broadcasting Ideas if somebody will listen To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Minimum educational requirements, Kevin, is ACTUALLY CONSTITUTIONAL. These would allow for MORE QUALIFIED individuals to take to the airwaves. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From dave_m1ctk@yahoo.co.uk Wed May 15 14:48:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dave_m1ctk@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 15 May 2002 21:48:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 16851 invoked from network); 15 May 2002 21:48:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2002 21:48:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2002 21:48:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2002 21:48:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 21:48:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: MP3s back online Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 422 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" X-Originating-IP: 217.148.40.202 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=70214876 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > I am pleased to announce that the AM Stereo MP3 files at > www.AMStereoRadio.com are once again available for download. > This now includes a recording of 1110 KFAB from December 1985. > More MP3 files will be coming soon, when I have the time to add > them to the site. How do you know that the KFAB one I gave you is recorded usng a Sony SRF-A100 ?! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed May 15 15:26:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 15 May 2002 22:26:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 28718 invoked from network); 15 May 2002 22:26:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2002 22:26:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2002 22:26:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2002 22:26:11 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 22:26:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: MP3s back online Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 205 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.40 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > How do you know that the KFAB one I gave you is recorded usng a Sony > SRF-A100 ?! It's just a guess, based on the way it sounds, and on what was the most popular AM Stereo receiver at that time.... From philipr@irac.pe.ca Wed May 15 15:31:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 15 May 2002 22:31:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 96285 invoked from network); 15 May 2002 22:31:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2002 22:31:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2002 22:31:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2002 22:31:56 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 22:31:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Interesting Broadcasting Ideas etc. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2974 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.166.158.71 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking As a kid growing up in Nova Scotia in the 1970s, one of the many outstanding broadcasters was Gerry Lawrence, known as "Jerr-Bear"- he graced the morning airwaves of 92 CJCH Halifax NS for many years. He also later entered politics, and was an MLA and Cabinet Minister in the Nova Scotia government. The "heyday" of radio in Nova Scotia included the intense competition of 92 CJCH and 96 CHNS, both in "major" market Halifax, and 58 CJFX and 1410 CIGO, in the "small" market of Antigonish/Port Hawkesbury. And then, 1977 - the year that C100 in Halifax, CJCH's new sister station, went on the air and proved that yes - an FM station could actually attract an audience! and - make money! Radio in those days was exciting - no voice tracks, no automation, real announcers, stations vieing for the top BBMs, no LMAs, no monopolies. It was an era when "Today's Opinions","Mikeline", "Straitalk","Hotline" and "Talkback" ruled the talk airways for an hour each day on competitive, otherwise music orienteed stations. It was an era of cool contests - "Money Talks" and "The Go-Card" vied each other, clawing and scratching for ever higher BBMs. It was an era of conservatively painted station cruisers going in for wild, bold lettering jobs. It was an era of radio station parade floats touring the market... It was an era when radio stations, and their owners, loved what they were doing... It was an era when advertisers stated "The Competition will do you good" and guess what, in spite of incrediable demographic odds - they were right! Remember the song "Video killed the radio Star"? Not true. Radio killed the radio star. Radio is a business, to be sure. But it is also meant to be a passion. They say coal mining gets in your blood. radio also gets in your blood. That's why many of us are here. We know the potential of radio. We know the potential of AM and AM stereo. We are saddened every time we see that potential abused. Radio is a business, but not for bean counters. Its a business for those who love it - or at least, it should be. A salute to the annoucers, engineers, managers who made, and still do in a few cases, make radio the wonderful medium it was, it occassionally is today, and it will be. Here is to Bruce R., Jamie McL, Fred A., Freeman R., Fred D., Jerr- Bear, Al S., Hal B., Hillary M, Paul R., Don H., George L., Ray M., and so many others who made radio great! Oh, by the way, Jerr-Bear didn't have the same MCR chair as the other jocks at CJCH - his was a wheelchair. Phil > More and more minorities and people with disabilities are being turned down > for employment at commercial radio stations. The negative attitudes brought > about by deregulation has brought about a higher unemployment rate among > minorities and people with disabilities. In fact, the unemployment rate among > people with even minor disabilities trying to get into radio runs about 99%, From ccuff@in4web.com Wed May 15 15:37:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 15 May 2002 22:37:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 90902 invoked from network); 15 May 2002 22:37:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2002 22:37:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2002 22:37:45 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.50]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.224) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 15 May 2002 18:38:12 -0400 Message-ID: <00b601c1fc61$436e1680$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Interesting Broadcasting Ideas etc. Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 18:38:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Yep- I met Jerr Bear at the CHNS 75th anniversary party last May. I was there at the Lord Nelson Hotel, and he was one of the most gracious, and interesting people there. He was the only one that actually talked to me fondly about am stereo. The whole rest of the gang at CHNS are out of touch at this point. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: tubesareking > Oh, by the way, Jerr-Bear didn't have the same MCR chair as the > other jocks at CJCH - his was a wheelchair. > > Phil From groucho@skyweb.net Wed May 15 16:35:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 15 May 2002 23:35:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 38810 invoked from network); 15 May 2002 23:35:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2002 23:35:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2002 23:35:44 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g4FNa0LB038798 for ; Wed, 15 May 2002 19:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3CE2EFE0.E1EE4B13@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 19:31:44 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WERA References: From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes The building is falling apart and the Towers are still up... overgrown with brush.. I was just there yesterday.... the WERA site is Only 3 miles from My Studios... when I went To My transmitter site today to take readings I spent a Few hours playing with the stereo exciter. I finally found out why I could Not Get a pilot light.. I was reading the manual on how to install the Stereo to the DX-10.. It states place exiter into J2 and put jumper P3 to Pins 1-3.. That wont work...... so I pulled out the book of Drawings.. Guess what I found.. to use an external exciter.. jumper P3 should be set to 1-2 Not 1-3... so I shut down the transmitter For a few Seconds to switch the jumper.... Powered back Up..... heheheh I got myself a Stereo Pilot Light...Cool.. so now that I know It works... I removed the Exciter Until I get a second Line In June..... today Verizon showed up and Installed the first line at the studio... Im hoping they finish the Transmitter side by monday..... Now It looks good for WTTM will Be going back STEREO... I didn't know If its Legal or not to Leave the Pilot on and Feed both channels with the mono Feed that's why I pulled the Exciter.. BTW while looking in the Closet I actually did find the motorola C-Quam Exciter that went with the Modulation Meter I found last week... I guess that's from WHWH on the Other side of the Room.... I have to see Now If its possible to make the Gates One Stereo.. If So I may recrystal the motorola exciter and Use it For the gates one backup... Neal Newman-ka2caf Chief Engineer WTTM 1680 am Princeton,NJ kevtronics wrote: > > Ahh yes.. But I have a plan up my sleeve to re energize one of the > > > WERA towers someday..If I get my way..... hint hint...( yes legally > > too...) > > I used to listen to 1590 WERA a lot... in their day, they were a great > > local AM station, and I think they even used AM Stereo for a while > (possibly with the Kahn or Harris system). However, by the mid-1990s > they had become a shadow of their former self, so when WWRL bought > them out and took them off the air in early 1997, they probably only > had a few good years left anyway. > > The WERA studio building and towers are still there in Plainfield, NJ, > > but the transmitter equipment is long gone. One of their two > transmitters in now in use as a ham radio transmitter: > > http://www.qsl.net/wa2whv/bta-500r.shtml > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@csiro.au Wed May 15 17:52:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 16 May 2002 00:52:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 82433 invoked from network); 16 May 2002 00:52:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2002 00:52:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2002 00:52:53 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA21750 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 10:52:51 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 10:52:51 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Interesting Broadcasting Ideas etc. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Wed, 15 May 2002, tubesareking wrote: > As a kid growing up in Nova Scotia in the 1970s, one of the many > outstanding broadcasters was Gerry Lawrence, known as "Jerr-Bear"- Philip Oh - for the good old days! How many stations in a market are Canadian broadcasters allowed to own? Ian - Melbourne From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed May 15 18:18:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 16 May 2002 01:18:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 93755 invoked from network); 16 May 2002 01:18:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2002 01:18:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2002 01:18:47 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-216.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.216]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4G1HGdj017029 for ; Wed, 15 May 2002 20:17:17 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <007601c1fc77$e05d4040$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <3CE2EFE0.E1EE4B13@skyweb.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WERA Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 20:20:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude >I didn't know If > its Legal or not to Leave the Pilot on and Feed both channels with the > mono Feed that's why I pulled the Exciter.. In the old days it probably wouldn't have been, but I doubt the FCC is going to do anything to you for doing that. KQWB (1660 Fargo ND) was doing that for several months til they could get their new studios built. A local FM station ran pilot only for a year and a half til they could scrape enough pennies together to get their second STL fixed. Besides, having the pilot on will allow AMS equipped radios to go into wideband mode for better fidelity even if it is only in mono now . > BTW while looking in the Closet I actually did find the motorola C-Quam > Exciter > that went with the Modulation Meter I found last week... I guess that's > from WHWH on the Other side of the Room.... I have to see Now If its > possible to make the Gates One Stereo.. If So I may recrystal the > motorola exciter and Use it For the gates one backup... That other exciter should have two sets of outputs for a main and aux. I think the stereo generator plugs into J1 on the oscillator board, plus the jumper beside it moves over a spot. If you can get by on just one SG, please consider donating the other to some station that wants AMS but can't afford it. Seems there was a guy in FL or GA that wanted one for his station. Then there's that one of Bob Carter's in Ahoskie, NC. Scott Todd From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed May 15 18:43:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 16 May 2002 01:43:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 95890 invoked from network); 16 May 2002 01:43:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2002 01:43:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2002 01:43:33 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-216.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.216]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4G1g2dj021324 for ; Wed, 15 May 2002 20:42:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00bd01c1fc7b$568de000$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WERA Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 20:45:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude How big are those towers? Are they in fair or better condition? How hard would it be to get them down? ST ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics > The WERA studio building and towers are still there in Plainfield, NJ, > but the transmitter equipment is long gone. From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed May 15 18:45:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 16 May 2002 01:45:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 55107 invoked from network); 16 May 2002 01:45:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2002 01:45:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2002 01:45:53 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-216.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.216]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4G1iNdj021628 for ; Wed, 15 May 2002 20:44:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00cb01c1fc7b$aa3bb060$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WWRL 1600 AM New York Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 20:47:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Of course not. He's expecting the marketplace to choose his system! ST ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics > > I don't think Kahn has ever made a PowerSide-ONLY exciter. > He only makes combined AM Stereo and PowerSide exciters with either > mode available at the flip of a switch. So, any station using > PowerSide is equipped to broadcast in Kahn AM Stereo if they wanted > to! From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed May 15 18:49:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 16 May 2002 01:49:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 83087 invoked from network); 16 May 2002 01:49:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2002 01:49:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2002 01:49:05 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-216.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.216]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4G1lYdj022135 for ; Wed, 15 May 2002 20:47:35 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00d601c1fc7c$1c7d4300$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020510011750.23651.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} WFRO - AM Fremont, Ohio :Ditzy, but not ClearChannel Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 20:50:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I don't mean to volunteer anyone, but could anyone catch a good signal from either 710 in LA or 1690 from the Denver area? I don't get the former at all, and the latter is only rarely heard with sufficient strength. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Johnny Electron > Anybody got some Stereo RAdio Disney audio for me to mail to the > local ABC station? From groucho@skyweb.net Wed May 15 19:03:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 16 May 2002 02:03:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 41909 invoked from network); 16 May 2002 02:03:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2002 02:03:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2002 02:03:30 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g4G23iLB057640 for ; Wed, 15 May 2002 22:03:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3CE3127B.EBFF2E49@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 21:59:24 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WERA References: <3CE2EFE0.E1EE4B13@skyweb.net> <007601c1fc77$e05d4040$d3a9fea9@me> From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit that's a great thought however the Harris AMS-1 exciter only has the Following outputs :sync ref, Quam ref, and rf out So I cannot use the one exciter for both transmitters.. I really didn't look closely at the motorola exciter... > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed May 15 19:11:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 16 May 2002 02:11:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 12537 invoked from network); 16 May 2002 02:11:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2002 02:11:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2002 02:11:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2002 02:11:02 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 02:11:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WERA Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00bd01c1fc7b$568de000$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1155 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.40 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > How big are those towers? Are they in fair or better condition? > How hard would it be to get them down? 1590 WERA has a 3-tower in-line array. I don't know exactly how tall they are, but somewhere I may have a copy of an old FCC database that would have that information. WERA was a 500-watt suburban station so they probably aren't that big. WERA has been off the air since February 1997, and for many years before that, the station only received the bare minimum of equipment maintenance. I've talked to various people who used to work for WERA and they all say the station was lucky to be on the air at all; no doubt those towers are original from when they went on the air in 1961. WERA is also the unusual case of a "FAKE" AM Stereo station. Throughout the 1980s, they frequently called themselves "AM Stereo" on the air, and listeners without an actual AM Stereo radio at that time (such as myself) believed them. But, WERA never had any AM Stereo equipment, as they could not afford it. So it all was just a big case of "make believe". Finally by the early 1990s they stopped promoting their non-existent "AM Stereo". From philipr@irac.pe.ca Thu May 16 06:13:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 16 May 2002 13:13:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 79157 invoked from network); 16 May 2002 13:13:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2002 13:13:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2002 13:13:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2002 13:13:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 13:13:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Interesting Broadcasting Ideas etc. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2364 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Ian, as I recall, it is 3 or 4 stations in one market. The CRTC has fiddled arround with it a bit, so I'm not entirely sure. Of course, the big chains get around this by having LMAs. For example, in Halifax NS there is the Metro Radio group which includes CHUM Group [CJCH and C100], Newcap [CFDR [aka KIXX] and CFRQ [aka Q104. CIEZ aka Sun FM is 50/50 owned by CHUM and Newcap. CHNS and CHFX [not to be confused with independent CJFX 130 miles away] are the flagship stations of MBS Radio [Maritime Broadcasting System] which is the Maritimes version of Clear Channel. Fortunately, the CRTC has maintained the 80% Canadian ownership requirement, which keeps Clear Channel from owning stations in Canada. But syndicated programming from The Premier radio Network aka Clear Channel makes its mark, and chains like MBS, Astral, Newcap etc. I'm sure draw lots of inspiration from Clear Channel. Thats not to say all chains are bad. You have to look at their track record. When many of the MBS stations were owned by McLean- Hunter, the story was that McLean-Hunter was great to work for. Certainly, the quality on these stations deteriorated with MBS. Here on PEI, CFCY, CHLQ [Charlottetown] and CJRW [Summerside] are all owned by MBS. Newcap owns CHTN [Charlottetown] - a DX'ers delight on 720. But CFCY, CHTN, and Magic 93 [as CHLQ is called]are all in one happy monopoloistic LMA. So, as a result, MBS controls all non CBC broadcasting in PEI. There has been some talk of establishing an independent station in Montague PEI. Although its a town of only 2000 people, it is a bustling service centre. What is needed is to get a group of like minded people on PEI together, rather than one entrepreneur who will eventually sell out to MBS. My heart would say AM Stereo - perhaps on 580 when CJFX pulls the plug on its eastern focused 25KW AM Stereo powerhouse. But, I'm sure my friendly banker would say FM. Enough ranting! Phil --- In amstereoforum@y..., Ian Davidson wrote: > On Wed, 15 May 2002, tubesareking wrote: > > > As a kid growing up in Nova Scotia in the 1970s, one of the many > > outstanding broadcasters was Gerry Lawrence, known as "Jerr- Bear"- > > Philip > > Oh - for the good old days! > > How many stations in a market are Canadian broadcasters allowed to own? > > Ian - Melbourne From KC4QLP@aol.com Thu May 16 13:26:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 16 May 2002 20:26:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 61130 invoked from network); 16 May 2002 20:26:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2002 20:26:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r02.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.98) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2002 20:26:43 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.f7.1b5c6805 (3964) for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 16:26:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 16:26:32 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WERA To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 5/15/02 7:40:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, groucho@skyweb.net writes: << Now It looks good for WTTM will Be going back STEREO... I didn't know If its Legal or not to Leave the Pilot on and Feed both channels with the mono Feed that's why I pulled the Exciter.. >> Its perfectly legal Neal. Go for it! BTW....what is going to be the cost of your land lines from the studio to the transmitter? Lets just hope the "bean counters" dont ax your second line...those "bean counters" can be quite unforgiving sometimes. 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Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a couple of tapes of 1690 in Denver made locally when I was in Denver. So I have plenty. I have one from June of last year, and then another one made just recently...about a month or two ago. Let me know what you'd need or like. I'll be in Denver for memorial day weekend and I can snag another one for ya. Just let me know! Michael -----Original Message----- From: Scott Todd [mailto:stodd@sherbtel.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 7:51 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WFRO - AM Fremont, Ohio :Ditzy, but not ClearChannel I don't mean to volunteer anyone, but could anyone catch a good signal from either 710 in LA or 1690 from the Denver area? I don't get the former at all, and the latter is only rarely heard with sufficient strength. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Johnny Electron > Anybody got some Stereo RAdio Disney audio for me to mail to the > local ABC station? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Thu May 16 15:00:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 16 May 2002 22:00:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 78666 invoked from network); 16 May 2002 22:00:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2002 22:00:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bashir.ebay.com) (216.33.156.139) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2002 22:00:01 -0000 Received: from happydays.sjc.ebay.com (happydays.sjc.ebay.com [10.6.21.15]) by bashir.ebay.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4GM00iJ007086 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 15:00:00 -0700 Message-Id: <200205162200.g4GM00iJ007086@bashir.ebay.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site item#1353296112: Classic SANSUI TU-9900 FM/AM Stereo Tuner Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 15:00:00 PDT From: ccuff@in4web.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Anyone know just what is so special about this particular tuner to warrant this price? I am curious... Chris Title of item: Classic SANSUI TU-9900 FM/AM Stereo Tuner Seller: morrisg Starts: May-15-02 15:19:41 PDT Ends: May-18-02 15:19:41 PDT Price: Currently $351.00 To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1353296112 Item Description: SANSUI TU-9900 FM/AM Stereo Tuner in very nice condition, fully operational. An outstanding TU-9900, all lights working, all controls working and quiet, pulls in a nice strong signal. The only notable defects are id numbers scribed into the top cover forward of the vent slots, a few very light abrasions and scuffs on top from other equipment being stacked, and a couple very very small nicks here and there. Otherwise in beautiful condition overall, very clean inside and out, and works wonderful.   Auction Terms GENERAL **NOTE** If you use the checkout feature to request a total, we will reply directly with an email, please respond directly to our email or processing your order may be delayed. 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Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.com From dav259@csiro.au Thu May 16 17:04:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 17 May 2002 00:04:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 34854 invoked from network); 17 May 2002 00:04:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2002 00:04:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2002 00:04:04 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA25329 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 10:04:03 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 10:04:03 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Interesting Broadcasting Ideas etc. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Thu, 16 May 2002, tubesareking wrote: > Ian, as I recall, it is 3 or 4 stations in one market. The CRTC has > fiddled arround with it a bit, so I'm not entirely sure. Of course, > the big chains get around this by having LMAs. Thanks Philip - well it's possibly only half as bad as the US situation - but sounds like a real dogs breakfast. > Fortunately, the CRTC has maintained the 80% Canadian ownership > requirement, which keeps Clear Channel from owning stations in > Canada. At least you've got that right. CC are doing their worst here - but at least can only destroy two stations in each market - and their bean counters have a preference for FM. At to CBC and commercial stations (forgetting community broadcasters and narrowcasters) what proportion of stations are CBC stations? Our ABC possible would have about a quarter - made up of five national networks and a large string of high rating local metropolitan and regional stations. We really have the best of both worlds in that none of the ABC stations are permitted to advertise. Do CBC stations accept advertising? Ian From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu May 16 17:23:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 17 May 2002 00:23:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 21429 invoked from network); 17 May 2002 00:23:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2002 00:23:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2002 00:23:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2002 00:23:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 00:23:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Interesting item on eBay web site item#1353296112: Classic SANSUI TU-9900 FM/AM Stereo Tuner Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200205162200.g4GM00iJ007086@bashir.ebay.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 295 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Anyone know just what is so special about this particular tuner to > warrant this price? I am curious... Probably just solid construction and good performance for its era... but no doubt there are dozens of different tuners that have more features and can outperform it for a lower price. From oldphones@webtv.net Thu May 16 18:01:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 17 May 2002 01:01:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 21167 invoked from network); 17 May 2002 01:01:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2002 01:01:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net) (209.240.198.119) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2002 01:01:06 -0000 Received: from storefull-2118.public.lawson.webtv.net (storefull-2118.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.212.158]) by mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id 92B079DE; Thu, 16 May 2002 18:01:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-2118.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id SAA24712; Thu, 16 May 2002 18:01:05 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRrlPliIqc6Rk1lr5biGPKn9KZh5wIVALCEmfFXpMGS0ENJPqJl7jwlYaMs Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 20:01:05 -0500 (CDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: oldphones1@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 225 Message-ID: <23151-3CE45651-81@storefull-2118.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 15 May 2002 03:05:10 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Hi you all, Been away for a while. On post 225 Kevtronics mentions posting KFAB AM Stereo recordings, I am curious who made these?? I am a long time resident of Omaha, and have many hours of 1110 KFAB in Stereo from their music days. Also recordings of 1290 KOIL. KFAB had stereo (50 Kw of it) that put FM stereo to shame. Now all news/Talk in Mono , especially since Clear Channel bought them a few years ago. William P. Snyder Oldphones@ webtv. net (402) 593-6841 I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu May 16 18:43:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 17 May 2002 01:43:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 36294 invoked from network); 17 May 2002 01:43:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2002 01:43:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2002 01:43:45 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-176.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.176]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4H1gCdj012925 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 20:42:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000901c1fd44$898b5d60$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WERA Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 20:45:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude You can get a good guesstimate by looking at the obstruction lighting. No lights, under 150'; if it's just a pair of obstruction lights on top, it's 150-199'; One beacon and one set of OB- 200-299'; one beacon and two OB- 300-399'. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics > I don't know exactly how tall > they are, but somewhere I may have a copy of an old FCC database that > would have that information. From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu May 16 18:58:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 17 May 2002 01:58:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 63813 invoked from network); 17 May 2002 01:58:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2002 01:58:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2002 01:58:32 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-176.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.176]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4H1uxdj015045 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 20:57:01 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002d01c1fd46$9a6da6e0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} WFRO - AM Fremont, Ohio :Ditzy, but not ClearChannel Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 21:00:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Remember, it's not for me but Johnny Electron... ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael J. Richard To: Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 4:43 PM Subject: RE: {AMSF} WFRO - AM Fremont, Ohio :Ditzy, but not ClearChannel > I have a couple of tapes of 1690 in Denver made locally when I was in > Denver. So I have plenty. From groucho@skyweb.net Thu May 16 19:04:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 17 May 2002 02:04:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 19294 invoked from network); 17 May 2002 02:04:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2002 02:04:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2002 02:04:40 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g4H24sLB047748 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 22:04:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3CE4642F.9D8A5D82@skyweb.net> Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 22:00:15 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WERA References: From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Bob It cost $2k for the install Per line and around $350 per month per Line I have the exact figures at the office... Personally I feel a T-1 would have been Better.. Free install and $1k per month ,and I could do allot more with the T-1 than I could with 2 15kc Lines For the Extra $300 a month. Neal KC4QLP@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/15/02 7:40:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > groucho@skyweb.net writes: > > << Now It looks good for WTTM will Be going back STEREO... I didn't > know If > its Legal or not to Leave the Pilot on and Feed both channels with the > > mono Feed that's why I pulled the Exciter.. >> > > Its perfectly legal Neal. Go for it! BTW....what is going to be the > cost of > your land lines from the studio to the transmitter? > Lets just hope the "bean counters" dont ax your second line...those > "bean > counters" can be quite unforgiving sometimes. > > Bob Carter > Operations/Engineering > > WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 > Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio > > Network > > Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with > engineering > services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. > e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com > http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice > Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC > WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC > WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC > > AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- > amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com > > amstereo-subcribe@topica.com > amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > > NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS > > KC4QLP Amateur Radio > www.kc4qlp.cjb.net > > voice contact-252-335-0856 > fax 1-209-254-8978 > _______________________________________________________ > > WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, > Chapter > 5, Subchapter II, > > "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is > subject to a > download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance > of > these terms." > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------- > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Thu May 16 19:09:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 17 May 2002 02:09:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 36980 invoked from network); 17 May 2002 02:09:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2002 02:09:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2002 02:09:20 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g4H29XLB048312 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 22:09:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3CE46547.EA7CD8BD@skyweb.net> Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 22:04:56 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WERA References: <000901c1fd44$898b5d60$d3a9fea9@me> From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit actually the WERA Towers have a Wire cap Hats held in place with insulators from the 3 Guy cables fed from the Top of the Towers. I can supply pictures of this.... Neal Scott Todd wrote: > You can get a good guesstimate by looking at the obstruction > lighting. No > lights, under 150'; if it's just a pair of obstruction lights on top, > it's > 150-199'; One beacon and one set of OB- 200-299'; one beacon and two > OB- > 300-399'. > > ST > ----- Original Message ----- > From: kevtronics > > I don't know exactly how tall > > they are, but somewhere I may have a copy of an old FCC database > that > > would have that information. > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Fri May 17 01:33:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 17 May 2002 08:33:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 3328 invoked from network); 17 May 2002 08:33:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2002 08:33:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r10.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.106) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2002 08:33:02 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.123.10cc9a2a (25915) for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 04:32:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <123.10cc9a2a.2a161a3a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 04:32:58 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Interesting Broadcasting Ideas etc. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Do you know which market is the largest Clear Channel-free U.S. market? Would you believe KANSAS CITY, MO/KS? 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri May 17 09:29:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 17 May 2002 16:29:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 93874 invoked from network); 17 May 2002 16:29:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2002 16:29:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2002 16:29:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2002 16:29:32 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 16:29:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Interesting Broadcasting Ideas etc. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <123.10cc9a2a.2a161a3a@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 858 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.81.13 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Do you know which market is the largest Clear Channel-free U.S. > market? Would you believe KANSAS CITY, MO/KS? Mostly because Entercom rules this market... another radio monopoly, but in this case, most people here would consider it to be a "good" monopoly. I think those who wish to "bash" Clear Channel should do so from a different perspective than simply because of the fact that they own a large number of radio stations. A monopoly is not necessarily bad... for example, Yahoo pretty much has a monopoly on Internet services (including this Forum!), but I think they do a fairly decent job. Also, there is some hope for Clear Channel... recently, almost all of the DJs at all five of their New York City stations came out in opposition to the use of voice-tracking. They want to preserve the use of live DJs and they let it be known. From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri May 17 15:17:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 17 May 2002 22:17:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 73899 invoked from network); 17 May 2002 22:17:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2002 22:17:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2002 22:17:19 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-230.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.230]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4HMFmdj015233 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 17:15:49 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000901c1fdf0$df913b60$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <3CE4642F.9D8A5D82@skyweb.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WERA Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 17:19:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude $1K/month?? We only pay half that here. I'll agree with you about the quality of the T-1. We send uncompressed digital audio to the other xmtr. site where WWTC and KYCR are located. The big downside is you'd lack redundancy which you'll have with those equalized lines. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Neal Newman > and I could do allot > more with the T-1 than I could with 2 15kc Lines For the Extra $300 a > month. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri May 17 16:09:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 17 May 2002 23:09:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 78890 invoked from network); 17 May 2002 23:09:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2002 23:09:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2002 23:09:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2002 23:09:17 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 23:09:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WERA Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000901c1fdf0$df913b60$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1972 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.81.13 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > $1K/month?? We only pay half that here. I'll agree with you about > the quality of the T-1. We send uncompressed digital audio to the > other xmtr. site where WWTC and KYCR are located. The big downside > is you'd lack redundancy which you'll have with those equalized > lines. Here in NJ is a case of a station that is paying for a Stereo STL but is only using it to put out a mono signal! 1170 WWTR in Bridgewater, NJ, has a T-1 line set up for a Stereo audio link, an Optimod 9100 AM Stereo audio processor, and a B.E. transmitter with a built-in C-Quam exciter. But yet, they leave the transmitter in mono, for fear that use of Stereo would hurt the coverage of their 243-watt non-directional signal too much. WWTR is literally the flip of a switch away from broadcasting in true C-Quam AM Stereo... but along with their simulcasting partner 1250 WMTR in Morristown, NJ, they leave it turned off, and the only explanation I have gotten from their owner is "we have no interest in AM Stereo" (that's it -- just a one-sentence reply). And the ironic thing is that WWTR is currently broadcasting with no treble pre-emphasis and very little audio processing, so if anything, that is reducing their effective signal coverage far more than use of AM Stereo ever would. No doubt if they gave WWTR "real" audio processing, they would actually *increase* their coverage, even with the AM Stereo turned on. p.s. I have heard from an engineer that Kahn PowerSide distorts horribly when used with more than 100% modulation. That could be why WWRL's signal has actually been reduced with the addition of PowerSide -- they probably had to turn down the modulation in order to give acceptable audio quality with the music they play. In comparison, 1280 WADO is probably using full 125% modulation with their PowerSide, so thus their audio is easily the worst in the NYC area -- full of distortion and with the frequency response of a telephone. From alfredot@inetarena.com Fri May 17 19:42:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredot@inetarena.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 18 May 2002 02:42:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 38532 invoked from network); 18 May 2002 02:42:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2002 02:42:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.inetarena.com) (206.129.216.13) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2002 02:42:26 -0000 Received: from hendrie (1Cust217.tnt2.portland.or.da.uu.net [67.227.182.217]) by mail.inetarena.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g4I2aJj26740 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 19:36:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 19:41:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: alfredo@hendrie.1610am.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo at this year's Burning Man In-Reply-To: <1021431910.7633.47757.m6@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Alfredo E. Torrejon" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25132238 X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon > Crazy? Nah, you're saner than most with that kind of thinking. What sort > of things, other than the shelter, will you need for it? If it were Minn., > I'd suggest borrowing someone's ice-fishing house for a shelter, but don't > know what's available to you there. As far as equipment goes, the only thing that I have to do is to finish designing and building a linear amplifier. To power all the gear, I'm thinking of buying some deep-cycle batteries and power inverters. I'll charge the batteries off my car as needed. Some time ago, there was discussion of producing an "AM Stereo Show." If there is still interest putting together programs like that, I'd be more than happy to air them. Alfredo From steveking@wgnradio.com Sat May 18 02:48:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: steveking@wgnradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 18 May 2002 09:48:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 58774 invoked from network); 18 May 2002 09:48:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2002 09:48:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2002 09:48:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2002 09:48:31 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 09:48:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Hello from WGN-AM, Chicago Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1761 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgnhim" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.197.72 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71806925 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgnhim So here it is a little after 4 AM and I'm up doing a little web surfing through some old AM Stereo sites that I'd bookmarked when I discover a link to this group. Who knew!?!? What a nice surprise! One of the main reasons I'm up at this hour is that, even though this is not a work night, normally my wife, Johnnie and I are up and on the air from 11 PM till 5 AM on Chicago's WGN-AM. I don't mention that as a plug, but rather (for those of you not familiar with Chicago's radio market) because WGN is one of many Chicago stations broadcasting in AM Stereo. While I'm very happy to leave the technical side of things to our engineering department, I've been a huge fan of AM Stereo for years. At last count, we have 3 Sony AM-Stereo Walkmans (model SRF-42), one other Sony AM Stereo portable (don't have it near the computer to see the model number -- it's the long, silver one:-), a Dennon AMAX AM Stereo tuner and 2 cars with AM Stereo. Along with abs, air bags and traction control, AM Stereo has been one of the components of any case of "new car fever" that has attacked us. I've cruised through some, but obviously not all, of the posts in an attempt to get the lay of the land and this seems to be a pretty well informed group that I'll probably learn a lot from. As I said, I leave the technical stuff to our engineers, but from time to time if any of you have a question I'd be happy to forward it to them. OK, that's more than enough about why I'm here. Just my way of saying hi and thanks to you guys for the availability of this group. I'll probably put my half cent in from time to time, but for now I'm going to spend a few minutes learning more about you and AM Stereo. See ya, Steve King/WGN-AM (720-AM), Chicago From dav259@csiro.au Sat May 18 03:58:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 18 May 2002 10:58:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 19684 invoked from network); 18 May 2002 10:58:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2002 10:58:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2002 10:58:36 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29441 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 20:58:34 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 20:58:34 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hello from WGN-AM, Chicago In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Sat, 18 May 2002, wgnhim wrote: > (for those of you not familiar with > Chicago's radio market) because WGN is one of many Chicago stations > broadcasting in AM Stereo. Welcome Steve! And may Chicago keep pumping out the great sound of AM stereo. Ian - Melbourne (Chicago Downunder) From dav259@csiro.au Sat May 18 04:51:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 18 May 2002 11:51:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 71336 invoked from network); 18 May 2002 11:51:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2002 11:51:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2002 11:51:50 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29491 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 21:51:48 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 21:51:48 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: Re: Easy Music 3MP (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public There's still alot of hope of 3MP resuming stereo soon! From the CEO ... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 21:03:24 +1000 From: Jeff Chatfield Reply-To: avation@earthlink.net To: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: Easy Music 3MP Dear Ian Thanks for all this. Yes I have been in Singapore for a while. The reason that it is not in stereo is that one of the studio to tx failed. I dont know where they are up to in terms of fixing that, presumably it is on the engineers list. Thanks for the history. There were a few changes in format over this week - did you notice? Thanks Jeff Chatfield Regards Jeff Chatfield Managing Director Data & Commerce Ltd Date sent: Fri, 17 May 2002 15:47:47 +1000 (EST) From: Ian Davidson To: Jeff Chatfield - 3AK/3MP Subject: Easy Music 3MP > Hi Jeff > > Now you have 3AK heading in the right direction how about giving 3MP some > attention? Thanks for altering its news theme - the old one was the pits. > > I don't know where you are originally from - Perth or Singapore - > but either way may I bring you up to speed on 3MP's history? > > 3MP commenced transmission in 1975 as the Mornington Peninsular station > but naturally broadcast to the general Melbourne metro market. > > It rated respectably since day#1 and first seemed to be like a new > version of Melbourne 3KZ. It had such a simple format. One current hit > followed by one flashback. This worked really well for many years with > the "We've got that Summer feeling - 3MP" jingles. > > Commercial FM radio arrived in Melbourne in 1980. > > In the early 80s when 3AK dropped its Beautiful Music format 3MP stepped > in to fill the void. But whereas 3AK had played cover versions of > evergreen hits 3MP played only the hit versions - a huge improvement and > it worked. A solid loyal listening audience was established. > > In 1985 3MP commenced broadcasting in C-quam AM stereo along with all > major AM stations. It was never very well promoted as it's introduction > in the US several years earlier had been badly affected by the FCC not > mandating the one transmission system - it finally mandated C-quam in 1992. > > However 3MP's ratings continued to grow and from 1986 till 1995 it was > always one of Melbourne's top stations. A very consistent run and > recorded wins as Melbourne's top station in 1992 and 1994. > > From August 1993 till March 1994 3MP was simulcast on 693 as well as 1377. > Thankfully the ABA eventually took action and this was not permitted. > Hence 3MP created Magic 693 - and this is where the gradual continuous > slide began. 3MP was made a bit more comtemporary and Magic was made > older and somewhat daggier - playing music originally from the 40s, 50s, > and 60s. As half of 3MP's listeners automatically heard the start of > Magic and liked it most eventually gravitated there. Many gradully moved > across from 1377 as they didn't like the more modern 3MP. > > Magic 693 tweaked it's programming only slightly since day#1. The > listeners knew what to expect and liked it. But 3MP fiddled around at one > time copying TT(Mix)FM's format. That was the worst programming decision > 3MP has ever made. If listeners wanted that they'd obviously listen to > Mix-FM. 3MP finally lost its way and has never rated lower. > > However - all is not lost. The music played by 3MP now is the stuff that > put it on top of the pile only eight years ago. The best non-raucous hits > of all time. The trouble is hardly anybody knows. Since 3AK moved to the > middle - 3MP is top of the dial where not many have ventured over the > last few years. > > I think you need a gimmick. And that gimmick is stereo. Many listeners > currently listen to Magic in stereo - and the hi-fi quality is excellent. > 3MP continually broadcast in stereo until 18 months ago and the station > has always said they were trying to get back in stereo as soon as > possible. Alot of people with stereo receivers must feel deceived. > > I suggest you fix the stereo problem sooner rather than later - the cost > would be negligible. Waiting for digital radio is pie in the sky stuff. > We've been waiting this last 12 years for it. And all IBOC testing on the > AM band has been a complete disaster. > > Once you are back in stereo you should say so. ie. call the station 1377 > Easy Music - Stereo 3MP. You could start those half page ads again for > 3AK but highlighting where 3MP is on the dial and bolding the word stereo. > It could be the rebirth of what used to be our favourite station - and not > that long ago. > > The best way to convince listeners would be to give some stereo radios > away. I suggest you contact Sony in Japan and order a batch of a few > thousand radios that you could award in contests and such. The SRF-42 was > the cheapest model ever made and has excellent AM stereo reception. A pic > of one is attached. Maybe you could join up with 2CH in Sydney and buy > twice as many between the two Easy Music stations. 2CH is stereo capable > but just doesn't seem to bother. At least the stereo pilot at 3MP has > never gone out - it's just that there's no channel seperation. > > The music is great - especially Jukebox Saturday Night which thankfully > has never been fiddled with. Get a bit more feedback with 3MP's new > website - let us vote on the tracks we like - like 3MP used to in its > heyday. Get back to full stereo - and start promoting 3MP as much as you > can. This could be a new beginning for 3MP which until the last few years > was allways one of Melbourne's most successful stations. > > best regards and good luck! > > Ian > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ian Davidson _--_|\ home: 03 9534 8786 > 41 Smith Street / \ work: 03 9545 8717 > St. Kilda Beach Vic 3182 \_.--.*/ > Australia v ian.davidson@csiro.au > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > http://www.amstereoradio.com/ > http://www.geocities.com/amstereoexp/ > From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Sat May 18 07:19:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 18 May 2002 14:19:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 58700 invoked from network); 18 May 2002 14:19:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2002 14:19:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2002 14:19:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2002 14:19:09 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 14:19:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Hello from WGN-AM, Chicago Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2202 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.165.126.75 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 Much thanks to all of you at WGN-AM and WLS-AM for continuining to support the wonderful and unique AM Stereo format. I enjoy listening to both of the Windy Cities AMS flamethrowers in Minesing, Ontario every night. I'd also like to thank everyone at CFCO (especially!!), WJR, CKDO and WWKB. Thanks, Matt H --- In amstereoforum@y..., "wgnhim" wrote: > So here it is a little after 4 AM and I'm up doing a little web > surfing through some old AM Stereo sites that I'd bookmarked when I > discover a link to this group. Who knew!?!? What a nice surprise! > One of the main reasons I'm up at this hour is that, even though this > is not a work night, normally my wife, Johnnie and I are up and on > the air from 11 PM till 5 AM on Chicago's WGN-AM. I don't mention > that as a plug, but rather (for those of you not familiar with > Chicago's radio market) because WGN is one of many Chicago stations > broadcasting in AM Stereo. > While I'm very happy to leave the technical side of things to our > engineering department, I've been a huge fan of AM Stereo for years. > At last count, we have 3 Sony AM-Stereo Walkmans (model SRF-42), one > other Sony AM Stereo portable (don't have it near the computer to see > the model number -- it's the long, silver one:-), a Dennon AMAX AM > Stereo tuner and 2 cars with AM Stereo. Along with abs, air bags and > traction control, AM Stereo has been one of the components of any > case of "new car fever" that has attacked us. > I've cruised through some, but obviously not all, of the posts in an > attempt to get the lay of the land and this seems to be a pretty well > informed group that I'll probably learn a lot from. As I said, I > leave the technical stuff to our engineers, but from time to time if > any of you have a question I'd be happy to forward it to them. > OK, that's more than enough about why I'm here. Just my way of > saying hi and thanks to you guys for the availability of this group. > I'll probably put my half cent in from time to time, but for now I'm > going to spend a few minutes learning more about you and AM Stereo. > See ya, > Steve King/WGN-AM (720-AM), Chicago From bryancain57@yahoo.com Sat May 18 11:39:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: bryancain57@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 18 May 2002 18:39:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 70339 invoked from network); 18 May 2002 18:39:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2002 18:39:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2002 18:39:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2002 18:39:57 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 18:39:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WGN Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 93 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bryancain57" X-Originating-IP: 63.188.9.27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=111365738 X-Yahoo-Profile: bryancain57 Not only do I receive WGN radio after dark here in Cleveland, but tune WGN-TV on SAT. dish. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat May 18 12:29:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 18 May 2002 19:29:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 85311 invoked from network); 18 May 2002 19:29:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2002 19:29:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2002 19:29:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2002 19:29:15 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 19:29:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1480 WZRC back in Stereo Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 354 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I just noticed that 1480 WZRC in New York City appears to be once again transmitting a Stereo signal, after several months of broadcasting in mono. Their Chinese ethnic programming is mostly talk, so I have not had a chance to check if they are putting out any true Stereo sound, but the "ST" indicator is definitely going on when I tune in WZRC. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat May 18 12:35:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 18 May 2002 19:35:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 53830 invoked from network); 18 May 2002 19:35:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2002 19:35:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14201.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.143) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2002 19:35:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20020518193532.47406.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.190] by web14201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 18 May 2002 12:35:32 PDT Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 12:35:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Radio is the best feature! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Wow, the best thing about this old Jeep truck is its radio! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1828689039 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From ccuff@in4web.com Sat May 18 13:38:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 18 May 2002 20:38:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 59386 invoked from network); 18 May 2002 20:38:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2002 20:38:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2002 20:38:42 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.138]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.224) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 16:39:22 -0400 Message-ID: <00d101c1feac$20ae2c00$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <20020518193532.47406.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio is the best feature! Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 16:39:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 .....I dunno.... it has a real nice tailgate... LOL... I have a CRD350, but never tried it to see if it has the EB. I know they were last sold in 1993, so it might.. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Johnny Electron To: Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 3:35 PM Subject: {AMSF} Radio is the best feature! > Wow, the best thing about this old Jeep truck is its radio! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1828689039 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat May 18 13:56:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 18 May 2002 20:56:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 3257 invoked from network); 18 May 2002 20:56:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2002 20:56:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2002 20:56:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2002 20:56:38 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 20:56:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Newer music comes to AM Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1762 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics If any of you have a local station (or two) carrying Westwood One's syndicated "Adult Standards" format -- better known as "Great Songs, Great Memories" -- you might be in for a surprise if you haven't listened to it in a while. Just within the past few weeks, the format has been completely overhauled, with a lot of the older "Nostalgia" music ('40s/'50s) removed from the playlist, and a lot more newer music added in -- Oldies from the '60s, and Pop hits from the '70s, '80s, and '90s, and even some current hits! I find the variety to be excellent, and they are really quite adventurous, pitching such songs as ABBA's "Dancing Queen" to listeners who are used to hearing Frank Sinatra and Doris Day. This is interesting because as a person in my 20's, I can tell that this new variety of music will definitely be attracting younger listeners... it will no longer just be targeted to senior citizens driving around in their Buick Roadmasters. And, most importantly, this WW1 format is carried almost exclusively on AM, so that will mean more people have a chance of discovering this music on AM and keeping tuned in when they like what they hear.... including using it as background music at work and even in stores and restaurants. I'm always in favor of hearing newer music on the AM band, in Stereo where available, and now it seems Westwood One is agreeing with me. They wouldn't try this if they thought that nobody listens to anything on AM except News, Talk, and old '40s and '50s songs that the FM stations don't play anymore. People will now be hearing Celine Dion, Gloria Estefan, Phil Collins, etc. on AM -- through a *nationally* syndicated format that is probably heard on hundreds of stations across the country. From steveking@wgnradio.com Sat May 18 13:57:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: steveking@wgnradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 18 May 2002 20:57:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 32670 invoked from network); 18 May 2002 20:57:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2002 20:57:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2002 20:57:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2002 20:57:47 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 20:57:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WGN Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 604 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgnhim" X-Originating-IP: 64.12.105.178 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71806925 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgnhim --- In amstereoforum@y..., "bryancain57" wrote: > Not only do I receive WGN radio after dark here in Cleveland, but > tune WGN-TV on SAT. dish. Just curious, do you usually get us in stereo? At that distance, I know it depends on a lot of different factors, including weather. The farthest we've ever picked WGN up in stereo is down in Panama City Beach, Florida (1000 miles south of Chicago) and then it was only in the car radio, but still it's nice to see and hear that difference. Steve King/WGN-AM, Chicago (720-AM) (http://www.wgnradio.com/shows/steve_johnnie/index.html) From ccuff@in4web.com Sat May 18 14:04:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 18 May 2002 21:04:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 5292 invoked from network); 18 May 2002 21:04:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2002 21:04:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2002 21:04:15 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.138]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.224) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 17:04:55 -0400 Message-ID: <016a01c1feaf$b2a0d060$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WGN Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 17:05:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I get WGN nearly every morning here in upstate NY, stereo and all. There is nothing to get in the way of 720 for me, so it works great..... But then again, it's "only" about what? 6 or 700 miles from here! I use WGN and WJR for testing my radios and decoders, as there is nothing left in the NYC area. Daytime, I get WICC fine, as well as WREF. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: wgnhim To: Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 4:57 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: WGN From n0uiheric@aol.com Sat May 18 14:28:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 18 May 2002 21:28:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 9337 invoked from network); 18 May 2002 21:28:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2002 21:28:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r02.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.98) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2002 21:28:36 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.152.e130644 (4452) for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 17:28:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <152.e130644.2a182182@aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 17:28:34 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Interesting Broadcasting Ideas etc. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Yes, but Clear Channel is a BAD COMPANY. CC discriminates against homegrown talent, in violation of the Civil Rights Act. ALL MONOPOLIES ARE BAD. They damage free enterprise, and MONOPOLIES ARE UN-AMERICAN! You think Yahoo! is a monopoly? Yahoo! has competition from the likes of Lycos, AOL and CompuServe. Even AOL has added a Groups feature for it's members. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat May 18 16:44:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 18 May 2002 23:44:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 59917 invoked from network); 18 May 2002 23:44:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2002 23:44:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2002 23:44:05 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-115.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.115]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4INgKdj025926 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 18:42:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002d01c1fec6$2a819680$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Easy Music 3MP (fwd) Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 18:45:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I hope you're right, but it sounds like the same old same old to me. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Davidson > > There's still alot of hope of 3MP resuming stereo soon! > > From the CEO ... > The reason that it is not in stereo is that one of the studio to tx > failed. > > I dont know where they are up to in terms of fixing that, presumably > it is on the engineers list. > Thanks > Jeff Chatfield From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat May 18 16:48:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 18 May 2002 23:48:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 84957 invoked from network); 18 May 2002 23:48:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2002 23:48:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2002 23:48:19 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-115.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.115]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4INkjdj026576 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 18:46:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003101c1fec6$c1c9eba0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hello from WGN-AM, Chicago Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 18:50:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude SRF-A100. And welcome aboard! Not much nighttime AMS around here except for what comes out of Chicago, so I'm grateful to your station for sticking with it. Scott Todd wishing at least one of my stations could be stereo ----- Original Message ----- From: wgnhim > At last count, we have 3 Sony AM-Stereo Walkmans (model SRF-42), one > other Sony AM Stereo portable (don't have it near the computer to see > the model number -- it's the long, silver one:-), From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat May 18 17:20:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 19 May 2002 00:20:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 38924 invoked from network); 19 May 2002 00:20:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2002 00:20:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r05.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.101) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2002 00:20:47 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.89.182f7f9b (30962) for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 20:20:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <89.182f7f9b.2a1849dd@aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 20:20:45 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hello from WGN-AM, Chicago To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp << As I said, I leave the technical stuff to our engineers, but from time to time if any of you have a question I'd be happy to forward it to them. OK, that's more than enough about why I'm here. Just my way of saying hi and thanks to you guys for the availability of this group. >> Hello Steve ! Welcome to the group.Likewise Steve if you have any questions for the group we have a huge resource of knowledgable folks here. BTW..as far as receiving WGN here in Eastern NC...at my location I receive some spanish station that often interferes with WGN so that pretty much kills being able to listen in stereo.I have the same problem here trying to hear WLS.It wasnt a problem until the early 90's when those spanish blow torches fired up killing domestic radio here. 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Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 712 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I just noticed today that the "hit" counter at www.AMStereoRadio.com has reached the 100,000 mark! That means over a hundred thousand people have visited the AM Stereo web site since it was created in 1998. So, I send out a big congratulation to all the visitors of the site for keeping it so popular... and of course to Alex K., who created the AM Stereo web site in the first place, and to Ben Lennard for currently being in charge of the www.AMStereoRadio.com domain name. By the way, for those who preferred Ben's "fancy graphics" version of the web site, it can still be accessed at: http://www.AMStereoRadio.com/oldindex.html Kevin Tekel kevtronics@yahoo.com Webmaster, www.AMStereoRadio.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat May 18 21:30:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 19 May 2002 04:30:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 96260 invoked from network); 19 May 2002 04:30:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2002 04:30:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14208.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2002 04:30:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20020519043006.27233.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.190] by web14208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 18 May 2002 21:30:06 PDT Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 21:30:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WGN Stereo - let listners know about AMStereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: steveking@wgnradio.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Steve & Johnnie: Welcome to our worldwide AM Stereo "information station" I was just checking out your weblinks on the WGN website, and I see that you mention the Fanfare AM Stereo on your May 9/May 10 show. Did you talk about AM Stereo on the air? If you would be so kind as to mention the "amstereoradio.com" website that would be great, as it shows most of the many radios / tuners / receivers which feature AM stereo (AMS) as standard (many automotive AMS radios are still available, and eBay can provide tons more). We have available a very small add-on board that can add AM Stereo to almost any decent tuner, and if the demand is there, new promotional or retofitted AM STEREO radios are available for your listeners. Again, welcome, and let us know if there is anything we can do to help educate your listners about how terrific AM STEREO radio sounds! I particulary liked the 1977 Music listing for WLS-AM 89, but that would have been just a little before they added AM Stereo there. Too bad that they don't add music fulltime there again. Anyhow, regarding WGN; perhaps you can even have your top of the hour ID read: "AM Stereo 720 - WGN, Chicago". __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From alfredot@inetarena.com Sat May 18 23:08:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredot@inetarena.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 19 May 2002 06:08:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 82213 invoked from network); 19 May 2002 06:08:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2002 06:08:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.inetarena.com) (206.129.216.13) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2002 06:08:24 -0000 Received: from hendrie (1Cust174.tnt3.portland.or.da.uu.net [67.226.63.174]) by mail.inetarena.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g4J62Ij13948 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 23:02:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 23:07:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: alfredo@hendrie.1610am.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: Newer music comes to AM In-Reply-To: <1021771866.1979.19077.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Alfredo E. Torrejon" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25132238 X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon > If any of you have a local station (or two) carrying Westwood One's > syndicated "Adult Standards" format -- better known as "Great Songs, > Great Memories" -- you might be in for a surprise if you haven't > listened to it in a while. I had a very pleasant surprise when I attended a local Red Cross blood drive on Friday afternoon. In one of the rooms where the clinic was held, there was a small boombox radio, most likely an AIWA, playing. Judging from the audio and the music playing, I thought that the radio was tuned to KKCW 103.3 FM. I was expecting to hear a "K-103 FM" siging ID liner played -- WRONG! The station playing was KKSN 1520 AM, "Sunny 1520." Though this radio didn't have AM stereo, the audio was surprisingly good--the only apparent limitation being a lack of bass due to the small speakers. KKSN plays the "Great Music and Memories" format in AM Stereo. For the record, I, too like the music played by that network, though I still have 1 1/2 years to go until I'm out of my 20s. Alfredo From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Sun May 19 03:25:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 19 May 2002 10:25:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 96988 invoked from network); 19 May 2002 10:25:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2002 10:25:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2002 10:25:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2002 10:25:26 -0000 Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 10:25:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Stereo on news, talk and sports format. Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 545 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wlyc1050am" X-Originating-IP: 195.92.67.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: wlyc1050am Firstly let me say a big hello from London UK to everyone on this forum. I have a couple of questions for the group and maybe the more technically minded among you First, does stereo in any way compliment a news, talk and sports format? Secondly, if starting off designing a transmission system from scratch are there any technical advantages in using one of the after market stereo exciters as against the on-board stereo option offered by such people as BE or Nautel? Thank you. Philip de Cadenet WLYC 1050 AM Back on-air June 1st. From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Sun May 19 03:27:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 19 May 2002 10:27:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 56667 invoked from network); 19 May 2002 10:27:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2002 10:27:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2002 10:27:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2002 10:27:57 -0000 Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 10:27:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Stereo on news, talk and sports format. Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 545 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wlyc1050am" X-Originating-IP: 195.92.67.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: wlyc1050am Firstly let me say a big hello from London UK to everyone on this forum. I have a couple of questions for the group and maybe the more technically minded among you First, does stereo in any way compliment a news, talk and sports format? Secondly, if starting off designing a transmission system from scratch are there any technical advantages in using one of the after market stereo exciters as against the on-board stereo option offered by such people as BE or Nautel? Thank you. Philip de Cadenet WLYC 1050 AM Back on-air June 1st. From steveking@wgnradio.com Sun May 19 11:00:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: steveking@wgnradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 19 May 2002 18:00:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 73973 invoked from network); 19 May 2002 18:00:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2002 18:00:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2002 18:00:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2002 18:00:29 -0000 Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 18:00:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Stereo on news, talk and sports format. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1350 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgnhim" X-Originating-IP: 64.12.102.182 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71806925 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgnhim --- In amstereoforum@y..., "wlyc1050am" wrote: > does stereo in any way compliment a news, talk and sports > format? > Philip de Cadenet > WLYC 1050 AM > Back on-air June 1st. Hi Philip, I'll leave the technical side of that question to those who know a whole lot more about it than I do. I will, however, throw my half cent in from what we've experienced at WGN (which is primarily a news/talk format) from a programing point of view. One obvious plus is the stereo sound on commercials and station production. Our production czar, Todd Manley, is one of the best in the business and always takes advantage of our stereo signal's capabilities. We also carry the Chicago Cubs baseball games and when they are at home our engineers have Wrigley field miked so you hear the crowd in stereo. We've heard from a lot of listeners that it gives them the feeling of being there. Beyond the news/talk foundation of WGN's format, our show is one of the few on WGN that regularly features live in-studio musical guests. Since I'm running the board, I do my best to make sure we get a good stereo mix. There are also times when we'll have a round table of guests on a particular topic and I'll occasionally do a bit of a stereo mix on them. Hope this answers a bit of your question. Steve King/WGN-AM, Chicago From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun May 19 13:07:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 19 May 2002 20:07:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 80781 invoked from network); 19 May 2002 20:07:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2002 20:07:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d08.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2002 20:07:02 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.1aa.27929d4 (4364) for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 16:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1aa.27929d4.2a195fde@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 16:06:54 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} RE: Newer music comes to AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih I do have a 1991 aircheck of the format from WQXI 790 Atlanta, GA. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From KC4QLP@aol.com Sun May 19 13:30:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 19 May 2002 20:30:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 64515 invoked from network); 19 May 2002 20:30:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2002 20:30:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r08.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.104) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2002 20:30:37 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.18e.82223cd (1324) for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 16:30:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <18e.82223cd.2a196566@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 16:30:30 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo on news, talk and sports format. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Hello Philip! << Firstly let me say a big hello from London UK to everyone on this forum.>> << First, does stereo in any way compliment a news, talk and sports format?>> Yes!...not only if a station has special effects in the commericals...any AM Stereo radio will reproduce the wide bandwidth sound of the AM stereo station <> You shouldnt see any differrence between an aftermarket exciter technically....price wise ..they may vary some but overall proformance shouldnt be any different from the BE or Nautel models Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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With the time zone difference,plus needing darkness between us for skywave, I will have to try receiving 720 here after 10 pm some time and then report it here. WGN is far and away the dominant station on that freq. here, however. From smpoole7@bellsouth.net Sun May 19 21:27:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: smpoole7@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 20 May 2002 04:27:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 39124 invoked from network); 20 May 2002 04:27:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2002 04:27:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2002 04:27:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2002 04:27:41 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 04:27:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Stereo on news, talk and sports format. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1346 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "professorpoole" X-Originating-IP: 209.214.105.119 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25309165 X-Yahoo-Profile: professorpoole --- In amstereoforum@y..., "wlyc1050am" wrote: > First, does stereo in any way compliment a news, talk and sports > format? I'm chief for WYDE, a 50KW sport-talk format, in Birmingham, AL. To me, it just sounds better to have the jingles, imaging and commercials in stereo. While I haven't gone this far (yet[g]), you could easily pan the microphones a bit to the left and right, making it easier for the listener to identify the speaker. Use your imagination. :) > Secondly, if starting off designing a transmission system from > scratch are there any technical advantages in using one of the after > market stereo exciters as against the on-board stereo option offered > by such people as BE or Nautel? We use Nautel (an XL60, an ND5 and an ND2.5) and the big advantage to buying it "ready-to-go" is that it's, well, ready to go![g] They will already have tweaked everything for maximum separation, etc., etc. Every Nautel that I have installed has sounded great out of the crate; only very minor touch-up was required. I haven't tried the BE AM transmitters, but judging from their 30KW BE FM box, I would imagine that their transmitters pretty much plug and play, too. Look HARD at the Nautel. They're cost-effective, reliable, and sound absolutely wonderful. The stereo has to be heard to be believed. From smpoole7@bellsouth.net Sun May 19 21:31:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: smpoole7@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 20 May 2002 04:31:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 46613 invoked from network); 20 May 2002 04:31:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2002 04:31:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2002 04:31:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2002 04:31:45 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 04:31:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Hello from WGN-AM, Chicago Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 58 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "professorpoole" X-Originating-IP: 209.214.105.119 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25309165 X-Yahoo-Profile: professorpoole Welcome! There's some sharp people here; you'll enjoy it. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun May 19 23:02:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 20 May 2002 06:02:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 47217 invoked from network); 20 May 2002 06:02:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2002 06:02:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2002 06:02:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2002 06:02:57 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 06:02:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Message from 1540 CHIN (Toronto) Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 663 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.93.6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Any offers to provide them with assistance in repairing or replacing their C-Quam exciter? Or to at least obtain their broken exciter and see if it can be repaired and installed at some other station who wishes to add AM Stereo? ===================================================================== Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 23:10:40 -0400 To: kevtronics@yahoo.com From: "Mike Evans" Subject: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kevtronics/ Hi: Just a short note to let you know that CHIN is not broadcasting in AM Stereo. The Exciter is not working and as Chief Engineer I don't see the point in repairing it. Mike Evans From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon May 20 10:11:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 20 May 2002 17:11:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 60705 invoked from network); 20 May 2002 17:11:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2002 17:11:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11704.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2002 17:11:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20020520171129.89772.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.36.181] by web11704.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 20 May 2002 10:11:29 PDT Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 10:11:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Stereo on news, talk and sports format. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Didn't WYDE buy 101.1 in Birmingham recently? Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From jsgil@hal-pc.org Mon May 20 14:05:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 20 May 2002 21:05:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 30349 invoked from network); 20 May 2002 21:05:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2002 21:05:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2002 21:05:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2002 21:05:28 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 21:05:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Circuit Board Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 894 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.121 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst I've been away from the group for awhile but I've been working on the layout of a circuit board. The program that I have been using to draw my schematics is XML based so to define a new shape all I have to do is specify its XY coordinates. I went ahead and generated the pads for ICs, resistors, capacitors etc.. and this is what I came up with. This is a low resolution parts layout but have the ability to generate it in a vector based postscript file that I can convert to a non aliased 1200dpi image. With a laser printer you can print it on clear film and iron it on to the circuit board. It has post detection eq with NRSC de- emphases to flatten the response out to 10KHz plus notch filters. It also has a 6 element ceramic filter so you should get a freq. response similar to one of those Chrysler radios. http://www.hal-pc.org/~jsgil/AM-Stereo/MC13028-PCB-Components.gif JSG From sub07@ridien.com Mon May 20 14:10:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: sub07@ridien.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 20 May 2002 21:10:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 63677 invoked from network); 20 May 2002 21:10:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2002 21:10:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2002 21:10:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2002 21:10:42 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 21:10:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Logging software - looking for testers Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1383 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "sillett" X-Originating-IP: 209.195.176.173 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=93468082 X-Yahoo-Profile: sillett I have been a member of this group (and the previous Yahoo group)=20 forever, but have never posted. Being that I have no AM Stereo=20 stations within 200 miles (except for my Chris Cuff home=20 transmitter!), I haven't had any news to post =96 until now. I have written a logging program and am looking for a brave few to=20 help me test before I issue a general release. I am looking for the=20 typical bug finding, but also would like to solicit ideas as to any=20 features to put into this or subsequent releases. The program is geared toward shortwave; however, I find that most=20 people use the same log (either paper or computer) for AM/MW and=20 shortwave. If there are any features that should be added to make=20 the program more AM-friendly, and AM Stereo friendly in particular,=20 I would greatly appreciate the suggestion. My goal is to have the=20 program serve equally well for LW/MW/SW logging and to have enough=20 features to support the occasional utility or amateur logging. I have general information about the program's feature set as well=20 as several screen-shots on my web site:=20 http://www.sillett.us.eu.org/swlog=20=20=20 Assuming that the testing goes well, I hope to release the software=20 in a few weeks. If you are interested in being a tester or wish to be notified when=20 the program is released, please drop me a line. Thanks. --- Bob Sillett, N3OEA sillett@yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon May 20 17:28:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 21 May 2002 00:28:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 96976 invoked from network); 21 May 2002 00:28:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2002 00:28:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2002 00:28:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2002 00:28:12 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 00:28:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Circuit Board Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 271 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.186 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > http://www.hal-pc.org/~jsgil/AM-Stereo/MC13028-PCB-Components.gif Looks pretty good... is this is complete radio, or just a decoder? Have you worked on a version with a 9 kHz notch filter (instead of 10 kHz), for people in areas where AM has 9 kHz channel spacing? From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon May 20 17:39:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 21 May 2002 00:39:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 32345 invoked from network); 21 May 2002 00:39:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2002 00:39:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2002 00:39:03 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-177.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.177]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4L0bOdj012704 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 19:37:25 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004601c20060$2f9d65e0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Logging software - looking for testers Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 19:41:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Looks good to me, but unfortunately I don't have the time to do much DXing anymore. That's more for young single guys w/o kids. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: sillett > The program is geared toward shortwave; however, I find that most > people use the same log (either paper or computer) for AM/MW and > shortwave. If there are any features that should be added to make > the program more AM-friendly, and AM Stereo friendly in particular, > I would greatly appreciate the suggestion. My goal is to have the > program serve equally well for LW/MW/SW logging and to have enough > features to support the occasional utility or amateur logging. > From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon May 20 17:58:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 21 May 2002 00:58:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 61085 invoked from network); 21 May 2002 00:58:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2002 00:58:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2002 00:58:57 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-177.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.177]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4L0vHdj016428 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 19:57:21 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <005c01c20062$f874e2c0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Circuit Board Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 20:00:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude So how much is actually there? This is more than just a decoder, but with the "IF in" on the upper left, doesn't appear to be a complete radio (unless you're splitting that into two boards?) Looks nice even in low resolution. Any idea of the parts cost? I noticed you went with an LC circuit instead of those hard to come by ceramic resonators. Good choice. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: jsgilst To: Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 4:05 PM Subject: {AMSF} Circuit Board > I've been away from the group for awhile but I've > been working on the layout of a circuit board. The > program that I have been using to draw my schematics > is XML based so to define a new shape all I have to > do is specify its XY coordinates. I went ahead and > generated the pads for ICs, resistors, capacitors etc.. > and this is what I came up with. This is a low > resolution parts layout but have the ability to > generate it in a vector based postscript file that I can > convert to a non aliased 1200dpi image. With a laser > printer you can print it on clear film and iron it on to > the circuit board. It has post detection eq with NRSC de- > emphases to flatten the response out to 10KHz plus notch > filters. It also has a 6 element ceramic filter so you > should get a freq. response similar to one of those > Chrysler radios. > > http://www.hal-pc.org/~jsgil/AM-Stereo/MC13028-PCB-Components.gif > > JSG > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon May 20 18:06:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 21 May 2002 01:06:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 95610 invoked from network); 21 May 2002 01:06:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2002 01:06:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2002 01:06:27 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-177.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.177]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4L14odj017783 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 20:04:51 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <008201c20064$04b69780$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo on news, talk and sports format. Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 20:08:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I'll have to echo the comments of Professor Poole- might as well go with built-in, unless you're going with used equipment to begin with. I don't know how much extra, if any, Nautel charges for their unit, but I know BE is no extra charge. I've never used a BE AM, though I've heard if they fail at all, it's almost always early in the warranty period. Nautels are good transmitters- got a pair of them at one of my stations. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: wlyc1050am > Secondly, if starting off designing a transmission system from > scratch are there any technical advantages in using one of the after > market stereo exciters as against the on-board stereo option offered > by such people as BE or Nautel? From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon May 20 18:14:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 21 May 2002 01:14:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 2538 invoked from network); 21 May 2002 01:14:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2002 01:14:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2002 01:14:39 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-177.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.177]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4L1Cxdj019179 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 20:13:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <009301c20065$2878d6a0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Message from 1540 CHIN (Toronto) Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 20:16:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Already done. Will let you know if I hear back from him. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics > Any offers to provide them with assistance in repairing or replacing > their C-Quam exciter? Or to at least obtain their broken exciter and > see if it can be repaired and installed at some other station who > wishes to add AM Stereo? From jsgil@hal-pc.org Mon May 20 19:55:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 21 May 2002 02:55:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 68633 invoked from network); 21 May 2002 02:54:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2002 02:54:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2002 02:54:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2002 02:54:54 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 02:54:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Circuit Board Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3337 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.149 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst This is just a decoder. Of the few conversions I've done it became appearent good IF and post detection filtering are necessary for good sounding music. I also had several other goals I wanted to meet. Using regular components rather than SMD and parts availibility. For the ceramic IF filter I have specified a SFH450E 6 element muRata although I don't think muRata still makes these filters from what I can tell from their website. You can also use filters scavenged out of older non-900MHz analog cordless phones. These are at 455KHz though and are Butterworth instead of Gaussian. The Gaussian filters provide better phase response so cosine correction is preformed more accurately but the Butterworth filter is wide enough that the phase response is probably flat enough out to 5KHz that you should still get fair cosine correction. If you have any old cordless phones that you plan to toss out I suggest getting the filters out of them along with the other useable components. There are 2 filters for each phone, one in the handset and one in the base. They usually are 7.5KHz filters but some bases have 6KHz ones. I have included AGC gain connected to the AGC filter cap on the MC13028. It functions by using a FET to shunt the IF transformer De-Qing it and widening the bandwidth providing a variable IF bandwidth. I felt that this was necessary because the ceramic filter is really too wide for weak nighttime signals. This is most of the circuit in the upper right section of the board plus 1/2 of the LM358 OP-Amp below the MC13028P. The other half of that OP-Amp is used to buffer the PLL loop voltage for use with a center tuning meter. I have provided foil patterns for both LC & ceramic VCO for flexibility in case you have those ceramic resonators. If you have scavenged a filter out of cordless phones for a 455KHz IF you can use the LC VCO or Koji on this list has mentioned that there are some 3.64MHz ones available in Japan for use with 455KHz. The post detection filtering uses an eq cut at ~4KHz of -3.6db to handle the NRSC de-emphasis as above 6KHz the RF and IF filter starts to have more attenuation than the NRSC pre-emphasis can compensate for. Above this the lowpass Chebychev filter provides an eq boost of +10.7db at ~9.6KHz. If you use a narrower filter lets say a 6KHz one for 9KHz spacing then this filter can be retuned to a lower frequency by changing the resistors and/or capacitors to change filter Q. The notch filter is centered at 10KHz and uses trimpots to fine tune it. To retune it to 9KHz you can change the fixed resistors to a higher value. This board should be fairly vesatile but is not small and would work best in a home receiver. If you use a 455KHz ceramic filter, an LC VCO tuned to center at 3.64MHz and use the tuning meter output this should make a nice converter. If you have one of those older heavier tuners or receivers like a Pioneer this would make a nice AMS receiver. The only drawback is that they don't have the extended band although they could be retuned to get the whole EB at the cost of dial calibration. This is a work in progress as this is the first board I've drawn using a computer. All my previous boards have been done with a Sharpie marker :-(. I will get the Schematic up for peer review in case anyone has any suggestions for inprovement. JSG From rjskadl@yahoo.com Mon May 20 20:21:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 21 May 2002 03:21:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 37270 invoked from network); 21 May 2002 03:21:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2002 03:21:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2002 03:21:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2002 03:20:23 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 03:20:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Stereo Card for BE AM1 Tx Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 375 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl We got a couple of stations using the ever popular BE AM-1 Transmitters. The only problem is that neither one has the stereo card in it. Do any of you know if BE would provide cards seperately, and if so how much do you think it would cost? Secondly, Does anyone have any Idea how much the Delta Electronics AM Stereo Exciter costs? I appreciate your help. -Russ From smpoole7@bellsouth.net Mon May 20 21:42:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: smpoole7@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 21 May 2002 04:42:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 63362 invoked from network); 21 May 2002 04:42:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2002 04:42:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2002 04:42:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2002 04:42:41 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 04:42:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Stereo on news, talk and sports format. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020520171129.89772.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 196 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "professorpoole" X-Originating-IP: 209.214.107.103 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25309165 X-Yahoo-Profile: professorpoole --- In amstereoforum@y..., JNR wrote: > Didn't WYDE buy 101.1 in Birmingham recently? Working on it now, as a matter of fact. :) (That one will get another new BE FM-30T.) From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Tue May 21 07:36:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 21 May 2002 14:36:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 40628 invoked from network); 21 May 2002 14:36:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2002 14:36:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2002 14:36:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2002 14:36:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 14:36:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Interesting item on eBay web site item#1353296112: Classic SANSUI TU-9900 FM/AM Stereo Tuner Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 902 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 192.35.232.241 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Hello, The Sansui TU-9900 tuner is held in high regard for: 1. Build quality 2. Performance 3. Sound 4. Ergonomics It is especially known for its good FM DX capability. As far as Sansui goes, it rates with the TU-919 and is one step down from the TU-X1. The black Sansui components of the 70's have a sorf-of "cult" like following. Truly great performance and "black" components are not usually spoken of in the same sentence these days. There are better FM tuners, but I wouldn't say dozens. Best regards, Paul Bigelow -- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > > Anyone know just what is so special about this particular tuner to > > warrant this price? I am curious... > > Probably just solid construction and good performance for its era... > but no doubt there are dozens of different tuners that have more > features and can outperform it for a lower price. From amfmdx@fastq.com Tue May 21 08:29:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 21 May 2002 15:29:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 78116 invoked from network); 21 May 2002 15:29:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2002 15:29:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2002 15:29:49 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d125-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.157]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g4LFTmn24017 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 08:29:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <005b01c200d8$d237bf80$9df9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: Subject: Fw: [NRC-am] AM stereo not dead in Milwaukee... Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 08:04:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Smith W9WI" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 7:42 AM Subject: [NRC-am] AM stereo not dead in Milwaukee... > On my way out of Milwaukee last Thursday, I noted a billboard on I-94 south > of town.. promoting "AM Stereo 920 WOKY". First time in ages I've seen an > AM station promote being stereo... > -- > Doug Smith W9WI > Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66 > http://www.w9wi.com > > > ================================================ > DX News - DX Audio Service > http://www.nrcdxas.org & select "Join Us" > The #1 source for information on Medium Wave DXing. > ================================================ > From philipr@irac.pe.ca Tue May 21 10:45:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 21 May 2002 17:45:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 74785 invoked from network); 21 May 2002 17:45:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2002 17:45:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2002 17:45:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2002 17:45:04 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 17:44:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Interesting Broadcasting Ideas etc. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3815 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Ian, CBC radio, like ABC [which I assume is the Australian Broadcasting Corp? or something simular]does not carry any advertising. CBC TV does carry ads though. RE CBC's percentage in the market - a little hard for me to give a figure, but consider this - essentially everywhere in Canada you can easily pick up CBC Radio One [mono] and the primary CBC French language service. In many areas, including nearly, if not all, urban markets, you can pick up CBC Radio Two [which is stereo]and recently, a real drive is on to make available a second CBC French language service, even in predominantly English speaking parts of Canada. CBC rebroadcasters are overwhelmingly FM, and most originating stations are as well. AM is rare. To the best of my knowledge, CBC was never really interested in AM Stereo. Community stations [most FM] are popping up all over the place - most are low power - e.g. 50 watts or less, but there are exceptions. They typically can carry limited amounts of advertising. CBC is no replacement for good private radio, just as good private radio is no replacement for CBC. While CBC's news coverage is usually very good, it tends to sag somewhat on the local level when there is a private radio monopoly that specializes in rip and read. Of course, the many rounds of CBC cutbacks are also to blame. I have mixed feelings about the CBC. They have some very good programming, and some drivel. They brag about themselves constantly - rather than just allowing their many fans to praise them. They take credit for the good they do, and ignore the tireless efforts of other broadcasters - even in the past when these other stations were their affiliates. Their treatment of affiliates in the past was terrible - [growing up in a radio family in the 70s, I endured the late night phonecalls at home my Dad would receive from irrate listeners concerning the obscenities being uttered in the name of "quality spoken word programming" on the late evening forced CBC affilition even while CBC TV was devoting prime time newscoverage to the opening of a new private competitor, who did not have the burden of affiliation. Never occurred to them to do a nice profile on their faithful affiliate since 1943] thus, the term "dissaffiliation" has a similar meaning to many private broadcasters, especially small town broadcasters, as "Independence day". None the less, CBC news coverage generally is very good, especially national and international. CBC humour/comedy programming is great, both on radio and TV. Phil --- In amstereoforum@y..., Ian Davidson wrote: > On Thu, 16 May 2002, tubesareking wrote: > > > Ian, as I recall, it is 3 or 4 stations in one market. The CRTC has > > fiddled arround with it a bit, so I'm not entirely sure. Of course, > > the big chains get around this by having LMAs. > > Thanks Philip - well it's possibly only half as bad as the US situation - > but sounds like a real dogs breakfast. > > > Fortunately, the CRTC has maintained the 80% Canadian ownership > > requirement, which keeps Clear Channel from owning stations in > > Canada. > > At least you've got that right. CC are doing their worst here - but at > least can only destroy two stations in each market - and their bean > counters have a preference for FM. > > At to CBC and commercial stations (forgetting community broadcasters and > narrowcasters) what proportion of stations are CBC stations? > > Our ABC possible would have about a quarter - made up of five national > networks and a large string of high rating local metropolitan and regional > stations. > > We really have the best of both worlds in that none of the ABC stations > are permitted to advertise. Do CBC stations accept advertising? > > Ian From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue May 21 13:18:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 21 May 2002 20:18:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 14435 invoked from network); 21 May 2002 20:18:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2002 20:18:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14203.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.145) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2002 20:18:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20020521201819.29262.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 21 May 2002 13:18:19 PDT Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 13:18:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: DIP Chips To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Has anybody been able to locate D.I.P. style MC13028 chips? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue May 21 13:23:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 21 May 2002 20:23:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 92761 invoked from network); 21 May 2002 20:23:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2002 20:23:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14208.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2002 20:23:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20020521202314.54925.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 21 May 2002 13:23:14 PDT Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 13:23:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Educating the USA about AM Stereo To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I don't want to jinx myself, but I'm in the process of getting articles / letters to the editor in Radio World and in (Broadcast Engineering) Radio magazines. One magazine reply had the comment "you mean there are still 300 AM Stereo stations 'left' - I didn't know there were still that many around". Time to educate the public about the value of digital signal processing to existing analog AM and FM, and skip the expensive IBOC that won't work at night. It is finally a good time to get everyone's attention and awareness about quality AM broadcasting since stations must consider downgrading to 5KHz analog IBOC or upgrading to 10KHz C-Quam. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Tue May 21 14:08:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 89071 invoked from network); 21 May 2002 21:08:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2002 21:08:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2002 21:08:50 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2002 21:08:49 -0000 Date: 21 May 2002 21:08:49 -0000 Message-ID: <1022015329.1098923.96707.w48@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /France Bleu.mp3 Uploaded by : amstereofan Description : New daytime rec of France Bleu received in Brighton UK on a Sony JX-ST220a Tuner You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/France%20Bleu.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, amstereofan From dave_m1ctk@yahoo.co.uk Tue May 21 14:19:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dave_m1ctk@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 21 May 2002 21:19:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 49034 invoked from network); 21 May 2002 21:19:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2002 21:19:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2002 21:19:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2002 21:19:00 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 21:19:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: France Bleu recording Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 168 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" X-Originating-IP: 217.148.40.115 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=70214876 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Seems some kind of upgrade has taken place as I noticed today much improved bandwidth and so audio quality as this recoding shows. Sorry for the TV and minidisk qrm! From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue May 21 14:43:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 21 May 2002 21:43:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 78713 invoked from network); 21 May 2002 21:43:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2002 21:43:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2002 21:43:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2002 21:43:46 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 21:43:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: DIP Chips Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020521201819.29262.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 643 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.136 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., Johnny Electron wrote: > Has anybody been able to locate D.I.P. style MC13028 chips? > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience > http://launch.yahoo.com A while back I was looking for Motorola chips and contacted Newark and if I recall correctly the only one they had was a MC13028 and I think it was a DIP package. You might want to give them a call. Last time I ordered from them there was a $50 minimum order. Their website is: http://www.newark.com Their phone number from the website is: 1-800-639-2758 JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue May 21 15:42:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 21 May 2002 22:42:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 49481 invoked from network); 21 May 2002 22:42:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2002 22:42:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2002 22:42:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2002 22:42:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 22:42:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: France Bleu recording Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 628 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.90.13 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Seems some kind of upgrade has taken place as I noticed today much > improved bandwidth and so audio quality as this recoding shows. Sounds very good to me, especially considering your long-distance reception. France Bleu now appears to be using at least 8 or 9 kHz of audio bandwidth -- much better than the 4.5 kHz bandwidth they were using before, and also better than the 6 kHz bandwidth used by AM stations in the UK and Ireland. Speaking of which, it would be great if you could do some quick recordings of local (mono) AM stations, just to give a taste of what they sound like on a wide-bandwidth receiver. From paulparkinson@ameritech.net Tue May 21 16:19:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: paulparkinson@ameritech.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 21 May 2002 23:19:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 30661 invoked from network); 21 May 2002 23:19:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2002 23:19:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail3.wi.rr.com) (24.94.163.50) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2002 23:19:40 -0000 Received: from micron1 ([65.31.92.110]) by mail3.wi.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.537.53); Tue, 21 May 2002 18:18:51 -0500 Message-ID: <023201c2011d$ebad2eb0$6e5c1f41@micron1> To: References: <1022006002.454.95546.m12@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 233 Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 18:16:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Return-Path: paulparkinson@ameritech.net From: "PaulParkinson" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=80232545 X-Yahoo-Profile: paulparkinson1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Smith W9WI" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 7:42 AM Subject: [NRC-am] AM stereo not dead in Milwaukee... > On my way out of Milwaukee last Thursday, I noted a billboard on I-94 south > of town.. promoting "AM Stereo 920 WOKY". First time in ages I've seen an > AM station promote being stereo... > -- > Doug Smith W9WI > Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66 > http://www.w9wi.com > > Actually WMCS 1290 also advertises AM Stereo on their billboards which are on the city buses From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue May 21 18:26:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 22 May 2002 01:26:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 62449 invoked from network); 22 May 2002 01:26:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2002 01:26:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14206.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2002 01:26:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20020522012627.33339.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.190] by web14206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 21 May 2002 18:26:27 PDT Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 18:26:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Chrysler Schematic? To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Can anybody help me on this one? Looking for a schematic for the Chrysler AMS/FMS/Cassette radio with the 5-band equalizer and super duper bandwidth. I've got a blown-up one, and I would like to parts out the AMS parts that may be of value - Suggestions on what parts are the best to hang on to - chip, filters, ??? Suggestions? The board is labelled 4517002-1 PRM, 4517002-2 INF and the foil side says 4517003-1. Email or fax would be great. Thanks. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue May 21 18:54:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 22 May 2002 01:54:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 58878 invoked from network); 22 May 2002 01:54:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2002 01:54:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2002 01:54:41 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-223.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.223]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4M1r3dj022299 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 20:53:05 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001301c20133$ee397ce0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Circuit Board Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 20:56:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I don't mean this to sound flippant, but please allow me to add another goal to your list- completely off-the-shelf parts. I don't want to depend upon a supply of filters from discarded cordless phones. Might be OK for the short term, but it'd be havoc if we ever needed to go into high production. 3.64MHz resonators are available from Digikey in the US. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: jsgilst > I also had several other > goals I wanted to meet. Using regular components rather than > SMD and parts availibility. For the ceramic IF filter I have > specified a SFH450E 6 element muRata although I don't think > muRata still makes these filters from what I can tell from > their website. You can also use filters scavenged out of > older non-900MHz analog cordless phones. >If you have scavenged a filter out of cordless > phones for a 455KHz IF you can use the LC VCO or Koji on > this list has mentioned that there are some 3.64MHz ones > available in Japan for use with 455KHz. > This is a work in progress as this is the first board I've > drawn using a computer. From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue May 21 19:00:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 22 May 2002 02:00:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 33606 invoked from network); 22 May 2002 02:00:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2002 02:00:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2002 02:00:41 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-223.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.223]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4M1x3dj023505 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 20:59:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002701c20134$c4a0e0c0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020521202314.54925.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Educating the USA about AM Stereo Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 21:02:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Thank you. It helps when the same cast of characters isn't writing about the issue over and over. I'll be sure to write a response when it gets printed, though. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Johnny Electron > I don't want to jinx myself, but I'm in the process of getting > articles / letters to the editor in Radio World and in (Broadcast > Engineering) Radio magazines. From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue May 21 19:03:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 22 May 2002 02:03:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 15417 invoked from network); 22 May 2002 02:03:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2002 02:03:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2002 02:03:32 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-223.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.223]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4M21sdj024138 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 21:01:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003901c20135$2a813340$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: DIP Chips Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 21:05:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude It's still $25 AFAIK; $10 if you can do a will-call pickup. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: jsgilst > A while back I was looking for Motorola chips and contacted > Newark and if I recall correctly the only one they had was > a MC13028 and I think it was a DIP package. You might want > to give them a call. Last time I ordered from them there was > a $50 minimum order. From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue May 21 19:08:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 22 May 2002 02:08:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 28951 invoked from network); 22 May 2002 02:08:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2002 02:08:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2002 02:08:00 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-223.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.223]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4M26Jdl024919 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 21:06:23 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004b01c20135$ca44dbc0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020522012627.33339.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Chrysler Schematic? Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 21:10:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude The decoder chip, filters, resonator for sure; maybe even the tuner modules and audio amp chips might come in handy for some other project. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Johnny Electron I've got a blown-up one, and I would like to parts > out the AMS parts that may be of value - Suggestions on what parts > are the best to hang on to - chip, filters, ??? Suggestions? From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue May 21 19:08:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 22 May 2002 02:08:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 81411 invoked from network); 22 May 2002 02:08:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2002 02:08:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2002 02:07:57 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-223.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.223]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4M26Jdj024919 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 21:06:20 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004601c20135$c8999cc0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <1022006002.454.95546.m12@yahoogroups.com> <023201c2011d$ebad2eb0$6e5c1f41@micron1> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 233 Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 21:07:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude And then there's WKSH, but they don't do any advertising. Looks like SE Wis. is a fairly good area for AMS. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: PaulParkinson > Actually WMCS 1290 also advertises AM Stereo on their billboards which are > on the city buses From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue May 21 19:12:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 22 May 2002 02:12:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 36527 invoked from network); 22 May 2002 02:12:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2002 02:12:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2002 02:12:01 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-223.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.223]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4M2AMdj025717 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 21:10:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004f01c20136$5999ab20$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo Card for BE AM1 Tx Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 21:14:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I wouldn't doubt it for a second that you could get a stereo card for it. Call BE and find out how much they want. I think it's something like $600. Can't remember the price of the Delta AMS gear, but I vaguely remember it's on the order of $3500 if you were to get a new one. BTW, I know of a station in TN that isn't using their BE AMS card. Can't remember the calls, but the station engineer is Kevin Kidd- he posts a lot on the Radiotech forum on broadcast.net. Will try to get you his email address. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: rjskadl > We got a couple of stations using the ever popular BE AM-1 > Transmitters. The only problem is that neither one has the stereo > card in it. Do any of you know if BE would provide cards seperately, > and if so how much do you think it would cost? > > Secondly, Does anyone have any Idea how much the Delta Electronics AM > Stereo Exciter costs? From groucho@skyweb.net Tue May 21 20:54:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 22 May 2002 03:54:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 76314 invoked from network); 22 May 2002 03:54:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2002 03:54:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2002 03:54:31 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g4M3sov0055592 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 23:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3CEB16AB.769E4421@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 23:55:23 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Subject: WTTM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 well I found out that my Delta Electronics Modulation Meter was in Fact Sent out to be repaired from the main Office Now I cannot wait to get it back.. Today my Broadcast line was installed by Verizon. Thank Gd.. and I was given the ok to order the second Line... I wonder how many people noticed that From 4pm to 8pm tonight that WTTM was at least Running a Stereo pilot light while I was playing with modulation levels...without the Delta Elect AMS-1 Meter its almost impossible to set the levels... so Ill wait till the Meter is back.. All good things come to those that wait... any other AMS station Engineers out there that I can pick your brains... pass along a Phone # in a Private Email... Neal Newman Chief Engineer/GM WTTM 1680 am Princeton,New Jersey From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue May 21 21:47:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 22 May 2002 04:46:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 38616 invoked from network); 22 May 2002 04:46:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2002 04:46:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14204.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.146) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2002 04:46:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20020522044658.24331.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.190] by web14204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 21 May 2002 21:46:58 PDT Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 21:46:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Broadcast Professional on Fixing Analog AMS vs. New IBOC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio "Good comments. It's true that as much or more improvement could be achieved in these ways than IBOC will provide. But most of these are behavioral changes, or rely exclusively on receiver manufacturers, so broadcasters feel disempowered to put them into effect. Designing a new-technology solution always seems to be the better way to go if you want to feel like you're in control of the improvement path. It doesn't guarantee the best results, however -- or for that matter, any results at all. Thanks for your continuing interest, --SP " __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue May 21 22:04:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 22 May 2002 05:04:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 29752 invoked from network); 22 May 2002 05:04:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2002 05:04:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2002 05:04:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2002 05:04:48 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 05:04:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Circuit Board Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001301c20133$ee397ce0$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1014 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.65 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Scott Todd" wrote: > I don't mean this to sound flippant, but please allow me to add another goal > to your list- completely off-the-shelf parts. I don't want to depend upon a > supply of filters from discarded cordless phones. Might be OK for the short > term, but it'd be havoc if we ever needed to go into high production. > 3.64MHz resonators are available from Digikey in the US. > > ST Yea I know what you mean. It's just that these filters are hard to find especially at 450KHz. I just mention it as one possible source for ceramic filters to test with. Someone said awhile back that Digikey carried 455KHz ones but that the 450KHz ones were hard to find. I have not checked with them to see what they offered. If we find a source for them we would want to get the Gaussian ones if available which have a flat G.T.D.(Group Time Delay) for best C-QuAM detection. The cordless phone ones are Butterworth and are optimized for a flat passband response. JSG From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue May 21 22:20:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 22 May 2002 05:20:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 85871 invoked from network); 22 May 2002 05:20:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2002 05:20:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2002 05:20:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2002 05:20:11 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 05:20:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Chrysler Schematic? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020522012627.33339.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1027 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.65 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., Johnny Electron wrote: > Can anybody help me on this one? Looking for a schematic for the > Chrysler AMS/FMS/Cassette radio with the 5-band equalizer and super > duper bandwidth. I've got a blown-up one, and I would like to parts > out the AMS parts that may be of value - Suggestions on what parts > are the best to hang on to - chip, filters, ??? Suggestions? > The board is labelled 4517002-1 PRM, 4517002-2 INF and the foil side > says 4517003-1. Email or fax would be great. Thanks. > I have one of those radios and I wouldn't think of parting it out unless it was broke and couldn't be fixed. It's just too nice of a radio. I've seen these sell for ~$250 on eBay. My part # are different but is probably similar enough. All the surface mount stuff would be hard to retreive but the parts that are removeable are: CF71 - 3.6MHz PLL Resonator, CR71 - RC network for 10KHz notch, and CF1 - 7.5KHz Ceramic IF filter. It uses the MC13022 decoder which is SMD. JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue May 21 23:01:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 22 May 2002 06:01:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 94083 invoked from network); 22 May 2002 06:01:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2002 06:01:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2002 06:01:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2002 06:01:05 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 06:01:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WTTM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3CEB16AB.769E4421@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 257 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.76.13 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Here in Warren Township (Somerset County), I have strong reception of 1680 WTTM, day and night. Even in mono, the audio sounds pretty good, and the South Asian music is interesting to hear. I can't wait for WTTM to officially be in AM Stereo (again)! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed May 22 00:31:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 22 May 2002 07:31:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 3094 invoked from network); 22 May 2002 07:31:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2002 07:31:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2002 07:31:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2002 07:31:17 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 07:31:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Message from 1540 CHIN (Toronto) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <009301c20065$2878d6a0$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 722 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.76.13 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Already done. Will let you know if I hear back from him. I got a response back from CHIN and the engineer there says he has no interest in returning the station to AM Stereo. He also said he is "open to offers" if anybody wants to acquire the station's unused AM Stereo equipment, including a supposedly broken C-Quam exciter. He quoted DAB (Eureka 147) as one of the reasons why CHIN has no more interest in AM Stereo... but is anybody actually *listening* to DAB in Canada? In the alt.radio.digital newsgroup, I'd say 95% of the DAB listeners who participate there are in the U.K., and the other 5% are in continental Europe. I haven't heard from *any* people in Canada who actually have a DAB receiver! From philipr@irac.pe.ca Wed May 22 09:03:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 22 May 2002 16:03:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 53033 invoked from network); 22 May 2002 16:03:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2002 16:03:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2002 16:03:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2002 16:03:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 16:03:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Hello from WGN-AM, Chicago Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2067 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Welcome to the AM Stereo Forum! I haven't had the pleasure of picking up WGN, as 720 CHTN pretty much eliminates any possibility of dxing WGN here in Atlantic Canada. Phil --- In amstereoforum@y..., "wgnhim" wrote: > So here it is a little after 4 AM and I'm up doing a little web > surfing through some old AM Stereo sites that I'd bookmarked when I > discover a link to this group. Who knew!?!? What a nice surprise! > One of the main reasons I'm up at this hour is that, even though this > is not a work night, normally my wife, Johnnie and I are up and on > the air from 11 PM till 5 AM on Chicago's WGN-AM. I don't mention > that as a plug, but rather (for those of you not familiar with > Chicago's radio market) because WGN is one of many Chicago stations > broadcasting in AM Stereo. > While I'm very happy to leave the technical side of things to our > engineering department, I've been a huge fan of AM Stereo for years. > At last count, we have 3 Sony AM-Stereo Walkmans (model SRF-42), one > other Sony AM Stereo portable (don't have it near the computer to see > the model number -- it's the long, silver one:-), a Dennon AMAX AM > Stereo tuner and 2 cars with AM Stereo. Along with abs, air bags and > traction control, AM Stereo has been one of the components of any > case of "new car fever" that has attacked us. > I've cruised through some, but obviously not all, of the posts in an > attempt to get the lay of the land and this seems to be a pretty well > informed group that I'll probably learn a lot from. As I said, I > leave the technical stuff to our engineers, but from time to time if > any of you have a question I'd be happy to forward it to them. > OK, that's more than enough about why I'm here. Just my way of > saying hi and thanks to you guys for the availability of this group. > I'll probably put my half cent in from time to time, but for now I'm > going to spend a few minutes learning more about you and AM Stereo. > See ya, > Steve King/WGN-AM (720-AM), Chicago From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed May 22 11:44:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 22 May 2002 18:44:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 39430 invoked from network); 22 May 2002 18:44:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2002 18:44:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11707.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2002 18:44:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20020522184415.52254.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.36.181] by web11707.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 May 2002 11:44:15 PDT Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 11:44:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: KVCU-Boulder To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I just talked to I think the general manager of U.C. Boulder's "Radio 1190" KVCU. He took down my name and address for the engineer to call me back, so hopefully Radio 1190 can be stereo. I may need to give him some info on where to get equipment. 73, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From jwelton@nautel.com Wed May 22 12:51:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 22 May 2002 19:51:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 66071 invoked from network); 22 May 2002 19:51:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2002 19:51:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserver.nautel.com) (24.222.4.134) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2002 19:51:27 -0000 Received: FROM jeff-welton BY mailserver.nautel.com ; Wed May 22 16:51:49 2002 -0300 To: JNR , amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 16:50:55 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: {AMSF} KVCU-Boulder Message-ID: <3CEBCC6E.26045.CC0067@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20020522184415.52254.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com> References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body From: "Jeff Welton" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 > I just talked to I think the general manager of > U.C. Boulder's "Radio 1190" KVCU. He took down > my name and address for the engineer to call me > back, so hopefully Radio 1190 can be stereo. I > may need to give him some info on where to get > equipment. KVCU is an XL12 transmitter, but it was shipped mono, so it will need either an internal or external stereo exciter unit, as well as the obvious processing and audio "stuff". Note that they opted for the single exciter version of the transmitter instead of the dual exciter (more redundancy) to minimize costs (the difference is about $ 1300.00), so I'm not sure they'd be willing to kick out the $5000+ required to get them stereo (stereo exciter/processor/STL - assuming studio is all stereo). However, you can reassure them that the transmitter is more than capable of passing a stereo signal. Crawford has some XL series transmitters in Colorado Springs which I suspect are in stereo, so they could make a comparison if there is a receiver available. Best, Jeff Welton Nautel Customer Service Dept. Tel.: 1-902-823-3900 ext. 127 Fax: 1-902-823-3183 email: jwelton@nautel.com From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed May 22 18:02:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 23 May 2002 01:02:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 72491 invoked from network); 23 May 2002 01:02:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2002 01:02:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2002 01:02:13 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-189.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.189]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4N10Ydj008176 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 20:00:35 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002401c201f5$c62f5040$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Message from 1540 CHIN (Toronto) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 20:04:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Did you use that fact against his arguments? ST ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics > I haven't heard from *any* people in Canada > who actually have a DAB receiver! From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed May 22 18:07:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 23 May 2002 01:07:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 64057 invoked from network); 23 May 2002 01:07:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2002 01:07:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2002 01:07:55 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-189.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.189]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4N16Gdj009302 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 20:06:17 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003901c201f6$91faa3a0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <3CEB16AB.769E4421@skyweb.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTM Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 20:10:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I'm glad they let you have a second line as well. Hopefully they take somewhat different routes in the phone system so if one cable gets cut you still have audio to the xmtr. Nothing like a little redundancy. I've used the 8K backup loops twice this year when something went on the fritz with our T1. Locally WCTS is still in mono pending repairs on the cable that carries one of their channels. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Neal Newman > I was given the ok to order the second Line From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu May 23 05:31:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 23 May 2002 12:31:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 21657 invoked from network); 23 May 2002 12:31:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2002 12:31:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14202.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.144) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2002 12:31:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20020523123149.43582.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 23 May 2002 05:31:49 PDT Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 05:31:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: UX1 GM AMS To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I spotted this UX-1 on eBay (for a Chevy Beretta) and the faceplate is cast metal and is darn near indistructible IF it's like the one I used to have back in 1989. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1354099584 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Thu May 23 05:50:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 23 May 2002 12:50:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 90986 invoked from network); 23 May 2002 12:50:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2002 12:50:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2002 12:50:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2002 12:50:26 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 12:50:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Sony ST-JX430A illumination/bulb question Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 446 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 192.35.232.241 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Hello, Would anyone know what the specification for incandescent light bulbs that are being used to backlight the LCD readout for the Sony ST-JX430A? Both bulbs are burned out. Some measurements make me believe that they are wired in series, also, the voltage is 15-16VDC. Ian, Thank you so much fo the info. Switching to AM mode and powering on with the "Tuning +" button held down does switch to 10kc spacing. Best regards, Paul Bigelow From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Thu May 23 06:56:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 23 May 2002 13:56:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 99106 invoked from network); 23 May 2002 13:56:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2002 13:56:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.32.181.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2002 13:56:52 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 23 May 2002 06:56:52 -0700 Received: from 208.228.96.20 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 23 May 2002 13:56:52 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony ST-JX430A illumination/bulb question Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 09:56:52 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 May 2002 13:56:52.0828 (UTC) FILETIME=[B13A81C0:01C20261] From: "Chris Cuff" X-Originating-IP: [208.228.96.20] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059 The pilot lamps are 7.5 volt, are indeed in series, and the Sony part # is : 1-518-576-31 The lamps are not listed as current items, but last time we ordered them, they were 12 bucks each! Best to ust a low current substitute. Chris >From: "pabigelow" > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Thu May 23 07:53:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 23 May 2002 14:53:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 63847 invoked from network); 23 May 2002 14:53:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2002 14:53:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2002 14:53:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2002 14:53:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 14:53:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sony ST-JX430A illumination/bulb question Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1583 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.131.79.127 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 When I received my Sony ST-JX220A the bulb was burnt out on that as well. It was replaced by cutting the wire at the end if the bulb and going out to Radio Shack to buy a replacement. According to some source (I forgot now!) Sony used a 12V mini-lamp. I bought about 3 from Radio Shack (just in case) and went to replace the bulb. The problem was that the Radio Shack bulb had a glue bottom to hold the wires together which actually gave off natural white light. The problem was that Sony used a blue slip-cover to go over the light bulb to give off a nice aqua appearence of the LCD display. So I had to carefully remove the covering and set the bulb in place. I then sautered the bulb to the wires already set for the original bulb. Prestso! Works like a charm! Interesting to note that if you look closely on the display at a angle, there is a SIGNAL------ display above the frequency display. I wonder why Sony never utilized this great feature? It would be very helpful in tuning hard to get stations. Thanks, MattH --- In amstereoforum@y..., "pabigelow" wrote: > Hello, > > Would anyone know what the specification for incandescent > light bulbs that are being used to backlight the LCD readout > for the Sony ST-JX430A? Both bulbs are burned out. Some > measurements make me believe that they are wired in series, also, > the voltage is 15-16VDC. > > Ian, > > Thank you so much fo the info. Switching to AM mode and > powering on with the "Tuning +" button held down does switch > to 10kc spacing. > > Best regards, > > Paul Bigelow From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Thu May 23 08:07:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 23 May 2002 15:07:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 37428 invoked from network); 23 May 2002 15:07:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2002 15:07:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2002 15:07:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2002 15:07:23 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 15:07:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sony ST-JX430A illumination/bulb question Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2035 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 192.35.232.241 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Hello Matt, Thanks for the info. The ST-JX430a is a real hodgepodge of boards, jumpers, and sections. There is an usused secton for long wave reception, an unused FM IF section, and an unused power supply section. The AM stereo, is, I think, on a separate board. Best regards, Paul Bigelow --- In amstereoforum@y..., "matt_haw2000" wrote: > When I received my Sony ST-JX220A the bulb was burnt out on that as > well. It was replaced by cutting the wire at the end if the bulb and > going out to Radio Shack to buy a replacement. According to some > source (I forgot now!) Sony used a 12V mini-lamp. I bought about 3 > from Radio Shack (just in case) and went to replace the bulb. The > problem was that the Radio Shack bulb had a glue bottom to hold the > wires together which actually gave off natural white light. The > problem was that Sony used a blue slip-cover to go over the light > bulb to give off a nice aqua appearence of the LCD display. So I had > to carefully remove the covering and set the bulb in place. I then > sautered the bulb to the wires already set for the original bulb. > Prestso! Works like a charm! > > Interesting to note that if you look closely on the display at a > angle, there is a SIGNAL------ display above the frequency display. I > wonder why Sony never utilized this great feature? It would be very > helpful in tuning hard to get stations. > > Thanks, > MattH > > > > --- In amstereoforum@y..., "pabigelow" wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Would anyone know what the specification for incandescent > > light bulbs that are being used to backlight the LCD readout > > for the Sony ST-JX430A? Both bulbs are burned out. Some > > measurements make me believe that they are wired in series, also, > > the voltage is 15-16VDC. > > > > Ian, > > > > Thank you so much fo the info. Switching to AM mode and > > powering on with the "Tuning +" button held down does switch > > to 10kc spacing. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Paul Bigelow From dave_m1ctk@yahoo.co.uk Thu May 23 11:21:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dave_m1ctk@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 23 May 2002 18:21:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 77415 invoked from network); 23 May 2002 18:21:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2002 18:21:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2002 18:21:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2002 18:21:04 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 18:21:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: France Bleu recording Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 799 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" X-Originating-IP: 217.148.40.169 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=70214876 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > > Seems some kind of upgrade has taken place as I noticed today much > > improved bandwidth and so audio quality as this recoding shows. > > Sounds very good to me, especially considering your long-distance > reception. France Bleu now appears to be using at least 8 or 9 kHz of > audio bandwidth -- much better than the 4.5 kHz bandwidth they were > using before, and also better than the 6 kHz bandwidth used by AM > stations in the UK and Ireland. > It was great while it lasted unfortunatly while listening earlier sound quality suddenly reverted back to what it was or very close to it. I presume the improvment was a mistake which took enginners a few days to notice. I wish I had made more recordings now! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu May 23 13:31:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 23 May 2002 20:31:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 93785 invoked from network); 23 May 2002 20:30:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2002 20:30:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2002 20:30:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2002 20:30:44 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 20:30:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sony ST-JX430A illumination/bulb question Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 839 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.23 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Interesting to note that if you look closely on the display at a > angle, there is a SIGNAL------ display above the frequency display. > I wonder why Sony never utilized this great feature? It would be > very helpful in tuning hard to get stations. Sometimes one display module is used for several different radios. Perhaps the higher-priced Sony AM Stereo home tuners did have the signal strength meter. I once had an early '90s Sanyo bookshelf stereo system that had a cool-looking bright red LED (not LCD!) display in which the inactive elements were partially visible. On it next to "AM" and "FM" I clearly saw unused elements for "MW", "SW 1", and "SW 2". I don't know if Sanyo ever sold it like that, but it would be neat to have a stereo system with Shortwave bands -- especially with digital tuning like this one. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu May 23 13:37:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 23 May 2002 20:37:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 92721 invoked from network); 23 May 2002 20:37:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2002 20:37:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2002 20:37:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2002 20:37:30 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 20:37:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: France Bleu recording Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 991 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.23 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I presume the improvment was a mistake which took enginners a few > days to notice. I wish I had made more recordings now! Well, since France Bleu is run by a division of the French government, I guess they have a priority on following their own broadcasting rules! France is also home to the ITU (International Telecommunications Union), which has mandated the 4.5 kHz AM audio bandwidth limit for continental European mediumwave stations, although many small local AM stations, especially in Spain and Italy, do not follow this regulation. Anyway, from your recording (and a few others), one thing I've noticed about the Sony multi-system AM Stereo home tuners is that they have a whistle notch filter than changes between 9 and 10 kHz depending on what channel spacing you select. That is a nice feature to have for hi-fi AM listening; I have several wide-bandwidth AM radios that don't have any whistle filter, so the high-pitched tone gets quite annoying at night. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu May 23 13:43:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 23 May 2002 20:43:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 50257 invoked from network); 23 May 2002 20:43:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2002 20:43:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2002 20:43:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2002 20:43:12 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 20:43:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Important Reminder Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 837 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Announce: yes From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.23 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Just a note to remind everybody that Ben Lennard's ownership of the www.AMStereoRadio.com domain name will be ending on June 5th, about two weeks from now. If it is not claimed by that point, it will be free for anybody to acquire and use for their own purposes. So if any of you are familiar with the process of acquiring an Internet domain name, please try to get your hands on www.amstereoradio.com! I'm sure we can all pitch in to help out with the costs if need be. If you'd like to discuss this with Ben, he can be contacted at: ben.lennard@magnummac.co.nz I have already registered and set up the free domain name of http://www.amstereo.s5.com/ and I can also get http://www.amstereoradio.com-1.net/ as another free domain, but obviously it would be best to keep the http://www.amstereoradio.com/ address active. From matthew.trim@eds.com Thu May 23 14:17:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 23 May 2002 21:17:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 58524 invoked from network); 23 May 2002 21:17:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2002 21:17:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns5.eds.com) (203.17.185.230) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2002 21:17:24 -0000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com (nnsy-3.eds.com [192.168.1.1]) by ns5.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g4NLHMC23817 for ; Fri, 24 May 2002 07:17:22 +1000 (EST) Received: from nnsy.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g4NLHKX25728 for ; Fri, 24 May 2002 07:17:21 +1000 (EST) Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g4NLHKT25724 for ; Fri, 24 May 2002 07:17:20 +1000 (EST) Received: by AUSYM000 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 24 May 2002 07:16:59 +1000 Message-ID: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542803F52FB3@AUSYM200> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Important Reminder Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 07:16:47 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 I'll pay for transferring the name to Chris Cuff as per my email a few weeks ago. - Ian's already offered to help me out, if we split the cost it would only be $10AUD each per year. Will email Ben to work things out. Cheers, Matt -----Original Message----- From: kevtronics [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, 24 May 2002 6:43 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Important Reminder Just a note to remind everybody that Ben Lennard's ownership of the www.AMStereoRadio.com domain name will be ending on June 5th, about two weeks from now. If it is not claimed by that point, it will be free for anybody to acquire and use for their own purposes. So if any of you are familiar with the process of acquiring an Internet domain name, please try to get your hands on www.amstereoradio.com! I'm sure we can all pitch in to help out with the costs if need be. If you'd like to discuss this with Ben, he can be contacted at: ben.lennard@magnummac.co.nz I have already registered and set up the free domain name of http://www.amstereo.s5.com/ and I can also get http://www.amstereoradio.com-1.net/ as another free domain, but obviously it would be best to keep the http://www.amstereoradio.com/ address active. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From dav259@csiro.au Thu May 23 18:30:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 24 May 2002 01:30:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 25877 invoked from network); 24 May 2002 01:30:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2002 01:30:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2002 01:30:54 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17582 for ; Fri, 24 May 2002 11:30:52 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 11:30:52 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Important Reminder In-Reply-To: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542803F52FB3@AUSYM200> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Fri, 24 May 2002, Trim, Matthew L wrote: > I'll pay for transferring the name to Chris Cuff as per my email a few weeks > ago. - Ian's already offered to help me out, if we split the cost it would > only be $10AUD each per year. Thanks heaps for doing this Matt! You're a good man. We need more Aussies on this list. Samuel, Alex B, Geoff, and Marc - are you still here? What's happening in Sydney and the Canberra area? Matt - Can you send me off-list your BSB and account number and I'll do an internet transfer - otherwise I'll send you a cheque next Monday. Ian - Melbourne From dav259@csiro.au Thu May 23 19:51:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 24 May 2002 02:51:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 10693 invoked from network); 24 May 2002 02:51:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2002 02:51:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2002 02:51:05 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17893 for ; Fri, 24 May 2002 12:51:03 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 12:51:03 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: Melbourne matters ... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public I spoke to the engineer of 3AK/3MP today and the news wasn't too good. Talk 1116 3AK has been in mono since late February - and he said they need an A$18,000 piece of equipment for 3AK to go back to stereo. I guess that may be too much for a struggling talk station. Scott (or another of you engineers) - could you find it in your heart to write a short message to the engineer Peter Smerdon and find out what the technical problem is. It seems really strange to me as 3AK installed a brand new Nautel transmitter in March last year. And it was in stereo before - and after - up till late February this year. Funnily enough - ever since they switched it on there has never been a stereo pilot - but I wasn't going to complain as they were in stereo. The 3MP story is pretty much as it has been for the last 18 months. It seems that this job - getting 3MP back in stereo - is low priority - but Peter said it's still on his 'things to do' list and eventually he'll have to fix the xmtr stereo link. He sounded as if it wouldn't cost anything - except his labour. But is low priority in this beancounter world. I truly believe that Jeff Chatfield - the CEO of 3AK/3MP - is as non-tech as I am - but wants his stations to be as much state of the art as is possible given the financial restraints. If any of you can help out here - and I mean contacting either JC or the engineer - please do so. And I don't mean messages inferring you live here. I mean technical help. Just maybe that's what they need. Jeff Chatfield's address is . Melbourne is far from gone at the moment. Magic and 3UZ keep pumping out good AMS. But if Magic fell over tomorrow I'd be dreadfully worried. And my immediate worry is that they just might - and if 3MP is not in stereo what motivation would Magic have to fix any future problems? Ian Melbourne From matthew.trim@eds.com Thu May 23 20:14:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 24 May 2002 03:14:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 4926 invoked from network); 24 May 2002 03:14:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2002 03:14:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns5.eds.com) (203.17.185.230) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2002 03:14:16 -0000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com (nnsy-3.eds.com [192.168.1.1]) by ns5.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g4O3EEC11097 for ; Fri, 24 May 2002 13:14:15 +1000 (EST) Received: from nnsy.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g4O3ECX21080 for ; Fri, 24 May 2002 13:14:13 +1000 (EST) Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g4O3EBT21067 for ; Fri, 24 May 2002 13:14:11 +1000 (EST) Received: by AUSYM000 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 24 May 2002 13:13:50 +1000 Message-ID: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542803F52FBC@AUSYM200> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Melbourne matters ... Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 13:13:37 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Just as a guess it sounds like they may have lost a channel on their STL - unless of course the Nautel doesn't include an integrated AMS exciter (quite possible). This would mean that their AMS exciter may have died (could have been an original Motorola unit?). Anyway surely there is someone who could repair/refurbish such a unit. Hopefully Scott may be able to give them some assistance. Cheers, Matt -----Original Message----- From: Ian Davidson [mailto:dav259@csiro.au] Sent: Friday, 24 May 2002 12:51 PM To: amstereoforum Subject: {AMSF} Melbourne matters ... I spoke to the engineer of 3AK/3MP today and the news wasn't too good. Talk 1116 3AK has been in mono since late February - and he said they need an A$18,000 piece of equipment for 3AK to go back to stereo. I guess that may be too much for a struggling talk station. Scott (or another of you engineers) - could you find it in your heart to write a short message to the engineer Peter Smerdon and find out what the technical problem is. It seems really strange to me as 3AK installed a brand new Nautel transmitter in March last year. And it was in stereo before - and after - up till late February this year. Funnily enough - ever since they switched it on there has never been a stereo pilot - but I wasn't going to complain as they were in stereo. The 3MP story is pretty much as it has been for the last 18 months. It seems that this job - getting 3MP back in stereo - is low priority - but Peter said it's still on his 'things to do' list and eventually he'll have to fix the xmtr stereo link. He sounded as if it wouldn't cost anything - except his labour. But is low priority in this beancounter world. I truly believe that Jeff Chatfield - the CEO of 3AK/3MP - is as non-tech as I am - but wants his stations to be as much state of the art as is possible given the financial restraints. If any of you can help out here - and I mean contacting either JC or the engineer - please do so. And I don't mean messages inferring you live here. I mean technical help. Just maybe that's what they need. Jeff Chatfield's address is . Melbourne is far from gone at the moment. Magic and 3UZ keep pumping out good AMS. But if Magic fell over tomorrow I'd be dreadfully worried. And my immediate worry is that they just might - and if 3MP is not in stereo what motivation would Magic have to fix any future problems? Ian Melbourne Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From matthew.trim@eds.com Thu May 23 20:16:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 24 May 2002 03:16:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 29192 invoked from network); 24 May 2002 03:16:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2002 03:16:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns5.eds.com) (203.17.185.230) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2002 03:16:09 -0000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com (nnsy-3.eds.com [192.168.1.1]) by ns5.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g4O3G7C11257 for ; Fri, 24 May 2002 13:16:07 +1000 (EST) Received: from nnsy.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g4O3G5X21691 for ; Fri, 24 May 2002 13:16:06 +1000 (EST) Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g4O3G5T21686 for ; Fri, 24 May 2002 13:16:05 +1000 (EST) Received: by AUSYM000 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 24 May 2002 13:15:44 +1000 Message-ID: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542803F52FBD@AUSYM200> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Melbourne matters ... Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 13:15:30 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Of course the other scenario may be they may have purchased a new Optimod which I understand are now only Mono for AM stations?? Probably should have purchased an Omnia-3AM if this was the case.. too late now I guess. Really it could be any one of these three things.. :( -----Original Message----- From: Trim, Matthew L Sent: Friday, 24 May 2002 1:14 PM To: 'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com' Subject: RE: {AMSF} Melbourne matters ... Just as a guess it sounds like they may have lost a channel on their STL - unless of course the Nautel doesn't include an integrated AMS exciter (quite possible). This would mean that their AMS exciter may have died (could have been an original Motorola unit?). Anyway surely there is someone who could repair/refurbish such a unit. Hopefully Scott may be able to give them some assistance. Cheers, Matt -----Original Message----- From: Ian Davidson [mailto:dav259@csiro.au] Sent: Friday, 24 May 2002 12:51 PM To: amstereoforum Subject: {AMSF} Melbourne matters ... I spoke to the engineer of 3AK/3MP today and the news wasn't too good. Talk 1116 3AK has been in mono since late February - and he said they need an A$18,000 piece of equipment for 3AK to go back to stereo. I guess that may be too much for a struggling talk station. Scott (or another of you engineers) - could you find it in your heart to write a short message to the engineer Peter Smerdon and find out what the technical problem is. It seems really strange to me as 3AK installed a brand new Nautel transmitter in March last year. And it was in stereo before - and after - up till late February this year. Funnily enough - ever since they switched it on there has never been a stereo pilot - but I wasn't going to complain as they were in stereo. The 3MP story is pretty much as it has been for the last 18 months. It seems that this job - getting 3MP back in stereo - is low priority - but Peter said it's still on his 'things to do' list and eventually he'll have to fix the xmtr stereo link. He sounded as if it wouldn't cost anything - except his labour. But is low priority in this beancounter world. I truly believe that Jeff Chatfield - the CEO of 3AK/3MP - is as non-tech as I am - but wants his stations to be as much state of the art as is possible given the financial restraints. If any of you can help out here - and I mean contacting either JC or the engineer - please do so. And I don't mean messages inferring you live here. I mean technical help. Just maybe that's what they need. Jeff Chatfield's address is . Melbourne is far from gone at the moment. Magic and 3UZ keep pumping out good AMS. But if Magic fell over tomorrow I'd be dreadfully worried. And my immediate worry is that they just might - and if 3MP is not in stereo what motivation would Magic have to fix any future problems? Ian Melbourne Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From jwelton@nautel.com Fri May 24 09:15:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 24 May 2002 16:15:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 70252 invoked from network); 24 May 2002 16:15:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2002 16:15:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserver.nautel.com) (24.222.4.134) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2002 16:15:29 -0000 Received: FROM jeff-welton BY mailserver.nautel.com ; Fri May 24 13:15:47 2002 -0300 To: "Trim, Matthew L" , amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 13:14:55 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: {AMSF} Melbourne matters ... Message-ID: <3CEE3CC8.5979.FD4033@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542803F52FBC@AUSYM200> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body From: "Jeff Welton" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 > Just as a guess it sounds like they may have lost a channel on their > STL - unless of course the Nautel doesn't include an integrated AMS > exciter (quite possible). This would mean that their AMS exciter may > have died (could have been an original Motorola unit?). Anyway surely > there is someone who could repair/refurbish such a unit. Nope, it does have the integral AMS exciter. Transmitter shipped 17 May last year as a fully functional, dual exciter stereo unit. Stereo on the main exciter, mono on the standby. Anyway, an AMS exciter (Delta ASE-2) is around AU$6000.00, last time I checked. $18,000.00 is approximately US$10,000.00 - about the price of a high end AMS processor (don't know what STL prices work out to). Regards, Jeff Welton Nautel Customer Service Dept. Tel.: 1-902-823-3900 ext. 127 Fax: 1-902-823-3183 email: jwelton@nautel.com From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Fri May 24 10:12:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 24 May 2002 17:12:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 39130 invoked from network); 24 May 2002 17:05:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2002 17:05:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2002 17:05:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2002 17:05:49 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 17:05:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sony ST-JX430A illumination/bulb question Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1125 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.137.230.53 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 I'm pretty sure that only the 220A and 520A ('85-'86) used that particular display and neither utilized the signal meter. Their replacements were what Paul has ('87). Thanks, MattH --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > > Interesting to note that if you look closely on the display at a > > angle, there is a SIGNAL------ display above the frequency display. > > I wonder why Sony never utilized this great feature? It would be > > very helpful in tuning hard to get stations. > > Sometimes one display module is used for several different radios. > Perhaps the higher-priced Sony AM Stereo home tuners did have the > signal strength meter. > > I once had an early '90s Sanyo bookshelf stereo system that had a > cool-looking bright red LED (not LCD!) display in which the inactive > elements were partially visible. On it next to "AM" and "FM" I > clearly saw unused elements for "MW", "SW 1", and "SW 2". I don't > know if Sanyo ever sold it like that, but it would be neat to have a > stereo system with Shortwave bands -- especially with digital tuning > like this one. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri May 24 14:57:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 24 May 2002 21:57:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 72630 invoked from network); 24 May 2002 21:57:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2002 21:57:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2002 21:57:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2002 21:57:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 21:57:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1170 KVOO now KFAQ Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 220 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.129 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics 50,000-watt AM Stereo classic country station 1170 KVOO in Tulsa, Oklahoma is now KFAQ, a talk station. Does anybody know if they are still in Stereo? The only thing I hear at night on 1170 kHz here in NJ is WWVA. From michaelj@vcn.com Fri May 24 15:33:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 24 May 2002 22:33:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 36902 invoked from network); 24 May 2002 22:33:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2002 22:33:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sodium.vcn.com) (209.193.72.7) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2002 22:33:00 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.20]) by sodium.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 24 May 2002 16:32:59 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} 1170 KVOO now KFAQ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 16:32:58 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll leave that to someone else to answer......I usually get them here, and I have been...but it's been kinda crappy..so I haven't gotten a pilot. If I had to venture a guess, I would say NO.....Even when it was crappy, I could still get them in stereo. Don't know for sure, though. Kevin R or someone else can probably give us a better answer to that question. Will keep checking and report. MJR -----Original Message----- From: kevtronics [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 3:58 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} 1170 KVOO now KFAQ 50,000-watt AM Stereo classic country station 1170 KVOO in Tulsa, Oklahoma is now KFAQ, a talk station. Does anybody know if they are still in Stereo? The only thing I hear at night on 1170 kHz here in NJ is WWVA. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jsgil@hal-pc.org Fri May 24 15:47:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 24 May 2002 22:47:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 40743 invoked from network); 24 May 2002 22:47:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2002 22:47:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2002 22:47:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2002 22:47:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 22:47:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1170 KVOO now KFAQ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 565 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.245 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > 50,000-watt AM Stereo classic country station 1170 KVOO in Tulsa, > Oklahoma is now KFAQ, a talk station. Does anybody know if they are > still in Stereo? The only thing I hear at night on 1170 kHz here in > NJ is WWVA. This was one of the stations I DXed and the only AMS music station I could get ;-(. From the few times I have received them as KFAQ I've never got the stereo light to come on. If they are mono then maybe they will part with the exciter if it is a stand alone unit. JSG From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri May 24 17:05:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 25 May 2002 00:05:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 82902 invoked from network); 25 May 2002 00:05:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 May 2002 00:05:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2002 00:05:56 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-100.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.100]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4P04DNU019124 for ; Fri, 24 May 2002 19:04:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000d01c20380$4136c1c0$645926d0@me> To: References: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542803F52FBD@AUSYM200> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Melbourne matters ... Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 19:08:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Considering the cost Ian listed, I'd say it was more like a major STL failure. A new AMS generator or audio processor would be half or less what he stated. I'll ask what the problem is and see what kind of reply I get. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trim, Matthew L" > Of course the other scenario may be they may have purchased a new Optimod > which I understand are now only Mono for AM stations?? Probably should have > purchased an Omnia-3AM if this was the case.. too late now I guess. > > Really it could be any one of these three things.. :( From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri May 24 23:39:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 25 May 2002 06:39:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 66924 invoked from network); 25 May 2002 06:39:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 May 2002 06:39:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2002 06:39:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2002 06:39:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 06:39:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1611 3XX on the air Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 233 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.129 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I've heard that the new "expanded band" station 3XX on 1611 kHz in Melbourne, Australia is now on the air. Anybody know if they happen to be in Stereo, or are at least broadcasting a format that would benefit from Stereo sound? From dav259@csiro.au Sat May 25 01:27:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 25 May 2002 08:27:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 9613 invoked from network); 25 May 2002 08:27:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 May 2002 08:27:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2002 08:27:16 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21500; Sat, 25 May 2002 18:27:13 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 18:27:13 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Cc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Melbourne matters ... In-Reply-To: <000d01c20380$4136c1c0$645926d0@me> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Fri, 24 May 2002, Scott Todd wrote: > Considering the cost Ian listed, I'd say it was more like a major STL > failure. A new AMS generator or audio processor would be half or less what > he stated. I'll ask what the problem is and see what kind of reply I get. > > ST > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Trim, Matthew L" Thanks alot Scott (Jeff W and Darwin). When you write to the chief engineer Peter Smerdon , please send a copy to Jeff Chatfield - CEO 3AK/3MP . I've spoken to Peter Smerdon a couple of times and he sounds pretty friendly and approachable. But it may be just a good telephone manner. He hasn't replied to an e-mail that I sent him. Jeff Chatfield - the CEO, now signing stuff as Managing Director - is like me. He hardly knows more than where the on/off switch is. But he seems to be very approachable and seems to have entered the radio industry for the long haul. I try not to burden him with too much and so far have succeeded. He has always replied to anything I have sent him in a timely manner. He always seems to be looking for an edge that may work in lifting his stations ratings - especially free publicity in the press. He needs to be educated in AMS and unfortunately I'm not the one who knows enough to convince him. Thanks again champ Ian From dav259@csiro.au Sat May 25 02:01:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 25 May 2002 09:01:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 25422 invoked from network); 25 May 2002 09:01:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 May 2002 09:01:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2002 09:01:23 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21543 for ; Sat, 25 May 2002 19:01:21 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 19:01:21 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1611 3XX on the air In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Sat, 25 May 2002, kevtronics wrote: > I've heard that the new "expanded band" station 3XX on 1611 kHz in > Melbourne, Australia is now on the air. Anybody know if they happen > to be in Stereo, or are at least broadcasting a format that would > benefit from Stereo sound? Kevin - they're not in stereo but they are an ideal candidate! They boom into St. Kilda. I have to admit that it's not my cup of tea - pretty well wall to wall dance music. They say they are broadcasting to "Generation X". With slogans like "todays best music" - and "the others put you to sleep". The AM band hasn't had a station like this since the demise of "me too 3XY" when commercial FM stereo arrived in 1980. Actually they're not too bad - they just played Michael Jackson's "Can You Feel It?" - but the short version - and that was a great classic - so I expect they'd play anything with a good dance beat. Thanks Kevin for your continuous contributions to our Aussie Radio google board on AM radio in general and stereo in particular. I really appreciate it. Ian - BabyBoomer - Melbourne From n0uiheric@aol.com Sat May 25 02:32:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 25 May 2002 09:32:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 35852 invoked from network); 25 May 2002 09:32:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 May 2002 09:32:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2002 09:32:01 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.3a.27406e70 (18556) for ; Sat, 25 May 2002 05:31:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3a.27406e70.2a20b40b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 05:31:55 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1170 KVOO now KFAQ To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih In the St. Louis area, KJOC Davenport, IA is also heard on 1170 at night; their 1 kW night signal (in mono) is sometimes STRONGER than KFAQ's 50 kW. From what I've heard, they're not trying the "Extreme Talk" that bombed big time in Seattle on KYCW 1090. BTW, KYCW has returned to Classic Country; expect 970 in Portland, OR to also ditch "Extreme Talk". 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Sat May 25 03:43:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 25 May 2002 10:43:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 85531 invoked from network); 25 May 2002 10:43:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 May 2002 10:43:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2002 10:43:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2002 10:43:38 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 10:43:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WLYC 1050 Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2497 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wlyc1050am" X-Originating-IP: 195.92.67.75 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: wlyc1050am Just a note to say thank you all for the welcome and to give you an update on the station I have an investment in. My group are looking for a June 1st big switch on for LYC. I think it went dark around six months ago. I and the rest of the guys would like to introduce stereo but we have decided to invest in a brand new rig before the end of this year rather than add an external stereo generator/exciter to the dinosaur we currently have, an old CSI 2.5Kw. We're having enough problems with the above! We're also currently on the lookout for any of the following, or similar in alive, or dead condition (for possible parts or repair) so if any of you have something you can sell us at the right price please feel free to contact me off-list. We have already received a couple of donations but are not asking for charity. However we are having to watch our purse strings to get this small AM back on the air, and keep it there. Here's what we're looking for: >> We will need a STUDIO CONSOLE - preference would be a Audio Arts 10 or >> 12 channel board/console. This way, whatever the networks are... they can >be >> utilized in an emergency as a raw feed, if the computer crashes or is >down. >> Also, a SWITCHER that will work with the console to go from one channel to >> another that would programmed into the computer. > >We need some type of board for production. If something is available cheap, >it would be great. >A good Mic processor in Production would be almost a must. >>3) 3 to 4 RE 20 MICROPHONES (or something comparable). Why that many you >> ask? Two for the on-air studio (with connections to hook the other two up >in >> the studio for guests) and the other two for the production studio. > >A good wish list. I would think 2 would be sufficient to start. If we only >had one I think we would still get by. >> 5) Three Denon CD PLAYERS. For the simple fact, that if the network goes >> down; we will have a backup to stay on the air. Two in the control room >and >> one in the production room. >> 7) A GENTNER PHONE HYBRID SYSTEM. Maybe, the one that you found on Ebay >> would be ideal. Not a necessity at the immediate; but, by September. >> 8) A >>nother STARGUIDE III SATELLITE RECEIVER. >> 9) 4 A LINE CD RACKS. 3 in the on-air studio. 1 in the production room. >> Holds the CD's and also protects them. Any help very much appreciated. -- Philip de Cadenet G4ZOW - WLYC 1050 Not stereo yet, but working on it. From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat May 25 10:17:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 25 May 2002 17:17:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 8865 invoked from network); 25 May 2002 17:17:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 May 2002 17:17:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2002 17:17:54 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-173.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.173]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4PHGANU002711 for ; Sat, 25 May 2002 12:16:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001501c20410$6c877640$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLYC 1050 Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 12:20:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Then you almost certainly want Nautel or BE. And I can most likely help with that CSI. I cut my teeth on firebottles. I'll even take it off your hands if you think it's too much trouble to repair. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "wlyc1050am" > I and the rest of the guys would like to > introduce stereo but we have decided to invest in a brand new rig > before > the end of this year rather than add an external stereo > generator/exciter to > the dinosaur we currently have, an old CSI 2.5Kw. From RMATHENA@PAPERCUTTERSINC.COM Sat May 25 12:19:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rmathena@papercuttersinc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 25 May 2002 19:19:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 30961 invoked from network); 25 May 2002 19:19:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 May 2002 19:19:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail09a.bellsouth-hosting.net) (209.130.32.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2002 19:19:44 -0000 Received: from 128.242.46.183 (128.242.46.183) by mail12.bellsouth-hosting.net (RS ver 1.0.63s) with SMTP id 021648708 for ; Sat, 25 May 2002 15:23:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Sat, 25 May 2002 15:24:49 -0400 Message-ID: <01C20400.4EE903C0.rmathena@papercuttersinc.com> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} WLYC 1050 Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 15:24:48 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 From: Randy Mathena X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109210582 X-Yahoo-Profile: wpci1490 I HAVE A STEREO GENERATOR AND EXCITER, IF YOU WANT TO USE IT UNTIL YOU BUY YOUR NEW RIG. NO CHARGE. RANDY AT RMATHENA@PAPERCUTTERSINC.COM ---------- From: Scott Todd[SMTP:stodd@sherbtel.net] Reply To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 1:20 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLYC 1050 <> From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sat May 25 12:23:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 25 May 2002 19:23:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 83221 invoked from network); 25 May 2002 19:23:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 May 2002 19:23:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2002 19:23:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2002 19:23:00 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 19:22:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1611 3XX on the air Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 938 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" X-Originating-IP: 217.148.40.68 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@y..., Ian Davidson wrote: > On Sat, 25 May 2002, kevtronics wrote: > > > I've heard that the new "expanded band" station 3XX on 1611 kHz in > > Melbourne, Australia is now on the air. Anybody know if they happen > > to be in Stereo, or are at least broadcasting a format that would > > benefit from Stereo sound? > > Kevin - they're not in stereo but they are an ideal candidate I see these stations have something in common with the UK then ;-) :- >*******The size of the X bands stations studios have got nothing to do with thetransmitted signal and the final received result.It is not suprising that they sound like they are broadcasting from the dunny as the X band stations are limited by the ACA to a bandwidth of 4.5 kHz which is not much more than twice that available from your average telephone whereas all stations on the standard MW broadcast band are allowed 9 kHz bandwidth. From alfredot@inetarena.com Sat May 25 15:41:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredot@inetarena.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 25 May 2002 22:41:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 27767 invoked from network); 25 May 2002 22:41:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 May 2002 22:41:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.inetarena.com) (206.129.216.13) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2002 22:41:39 -0000 Received: from hendrie (1Cust159.tnt2.portland.or.da.uu.net [67.227.182.159]) by mail.inetarena.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g4PMZSa14523 for ; Sat, 25 May 2002 15:35:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 15:41:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: alfredo@hendrie.1610am.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 970 AM in Portland (was Re: 1170 KVOO now KFAQ) In-Reply-To: <1022336794.1391.22387.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Alfredo E. Torrejon" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25132238 X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon n0uiheric@aol.com writes: > In the St. Louis area, KJOC Davenport, IA is also heard on 1170 at night; > their 1 kW night signal (in mono) is sometimes STRONGER than KFAQ's 50 kW. > >From what I've heard, they're not trying the "Extreme Talk" that bombed big > time in Seattle on KYCW 1090. BTW, KYCW has returned to Classic Country; > expect 970 in Portland, OR to also ditch "Extreme Talk". Grrr...The mention of 970 KUFO-AM has certainly raised my blood pressure! That has to be one of the most pathetic wastes of a broadcast frequency and electricity in the state of Oregon. That station has gone from Classic Country to Oldies to Extreme Talk within the last four years, with each format pulling worse ratings than the last. Why are the ratings so low? The ratings are low because CBS/Infinity has done nothing to promote this station. Several years before I moved to the Portland area, 970 used to be KBBT, running a Modern Rock format with AM stereo. The transmitter was upgraded some years ago, and chances are that the stereo was dropped at that time. This is speculation on my part because the transmitter change occurred about a year before I moved here. When the Oldies format started, the audio feed was changed to something that sounds like Real Audio over a dial-up connection. There are noticeable digital artifacts that actually sound worse on wideband receivers. The only redeeming quality about KUFO-AM is that one of their two towers is leased to non-comms KMHD 89.1 and KBPS-FM 89.9. I apologize if this e-mail sounds overly negative or unprofessional, but I get really upset when I see broadcast resources *wasted* as they are at KUFO-AM. Alfredo From amfmdx@fastq.com Sat May 25 17:56:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 26 May 2002 00:56:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 83550 invoked from network); 26 May 2002 00:56:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2002 00:56:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2002 00:56:04 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d108-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.140]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g4Q0u3n30155 for ; Sat, 25 May 2002 17:56:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <005901c20450$0f26efe0$8cf9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 970 AM in Portland Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 17:55:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > I apologize if > this e-mail sounds overly negative or unprofessional, but I get really > upset when I see broadcast resources *wasted* as they are at KUFO-AM. Don't apologize. When we hear it, we think that sucks too. I think that its a pitiful shame that people fell for this digital crap and were turning off AM stereo for it when they were buying equipment years ago. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun May 26 00:55:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 26 May 2002 07:55:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 40174 invoked from network); 26 May 2002 07:55:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2002 07:55:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2002 07:55:51 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-204.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.204]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4Q7s6NU025737 for ; Sun, 26 May 2002 02:54:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002001c2048b$136449a0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <01C20400.4EE903C0.rmathena@papercuttersinc.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLYC 1050 Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 02:58:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude You da man! It's things like this that make me believe a rag-tag bunch like us can actually pull off a coup for AMS. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Mathena" > I HAVE A STEREO GENERATOR AND EXCITER, IF YOU WANT TO USE IT UNTIL YOU BUY YOUR NEW RIG. NO CHARGE. From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun May 26 01:06:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 26 May 2002 08:06:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 30346 invoked from network); 26 May 2002 08:06:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2002 08:06:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.33) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2002 08:06:47 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.f7.1bc4b7cb (3876) for ; Sun, 26 May 2002 04:06:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 04:06:37 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} 970 AM in Portland To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Clear Channel is also WASTING it's broadcast resources, too...on substandard programming NOBODY WANTS. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From phil@transmittersrus.com Sun May 26 12:10:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 26 May 2002 19:10:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 97151 invoked from network); 26 May 2002 19:10:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2002 19:10:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail6.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.212) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2002 19:10:42 -0000 Received: from modem-1158.cheetah.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.100.134] helo=fslife.co.uk) by mail6.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17C3Pc-0006y0-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 26 May 2002 20:10:41 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 20:09:38 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WLYC 1050 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-U () From: Philip de Cadenet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Hello Randy, Hello Scott, I like the 'rag tag' tag:-) I could write a book about our trials and tribulations to buy our first station. None of the group had met prior to the Internet and with me living in the UK there was a lot of trust involved. Fortunately we're using an experienced broadcast lawyer and between us have many years broadcasting experience (excluding myself). I am more involved from a technical angle. One of our aims is to give radio back to the community! Randy, I will contact you off list re your very generous offer. Scott, I think we have the old dog under control after replacing the burnt out fan blower. The 2.5Kw rig is run at the 1Kw level so should loaf along for a while longer and at least until we can install that new rig. I had thought of the Nautel. I know they are fine rigs with a reputation for reliability. A question for anyone on the list. Does anyone have experience of elevated ground systems? -- Philip de Cadenet G4ZOW WLYC 1050 AM Williamsport, PA From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun May 26 14:30:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 26 May 2002 21:30:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 7528 invoked from network); 26 May 2002 21:30:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2002 21:30:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2002 21:30:57 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-202.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.202]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4QLTANU008849 for ; Sun, 26 May 2002 16:29:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000d01c204fc$f2b65320$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLYC 1050 Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 16:33:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Oh rot! You're not going to be bringing your British accent to the airwaves of Pennsylvania? As for elevated ground systems, I don't know of anyone who's tried them, but if you haven't discovered it already, there's the Radio-tech forum at www.broadcast.net. Doubtless someone there has. From what I've heard, they do perform as well as, if not better than the standard buried radials. The biggest catch is your ground system is a bit more prone to theft, and even if it stays put, you've got all those poles which keep it in the air to maintain. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip de Cadenet" To: Fortunately we're using an > experienced broadcast lawyer and between us have many years broadcasting > experience (excluding myself). I am more involved from a technical > angle. > > A question for anyone on the list. Does anyone have > experience of elevated ground systems? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun May 26 17:00:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 27 May 2002 00:00:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 7011 invoked from network); 27 May 2002 00:00:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2002 00:00:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2002 00:00:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2002 00:00:12 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 00:00:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: ownership of www.amstereoradio.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 629 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Announce: yes From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.143 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics For those who wish to take over ownership of the www.amstereoradio.com domain name once Ben Lennard relinquishes it on June 5th, I just got this e-mail that probably will make more sense to you than it does to me: From: "Ben Lennard" To: kevtronics@yahoo.com Hey Kevin, Can't remember who it was who emailed me the other day, but if they want to take over the domain they can do the following: Simply get your colleague's ISP to pull from us and you will receive an automated email from ocoloco asking if you will allow the pull, to which you need to respond within 5 days. Ben Lennard From matthew.trim@eds.com Sun May 26 18:11:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 27 May 2002 01:11:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 10834 invoked from network); 27 May 2002 01:11:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2002 01:11:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns5.eds.com) (203.17.185.230) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2002 01:11:56 -0000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com (nnsy-3.eds.com [192.168.1.1]) by ns5.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g4R1BtC12173 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 11:11:55 +1000 (EST) Received: from nnsy.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g4R1BkX14625 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 11:11:47 +1000 (EST) Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g4R1BeT14545 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 11:11:40 +1000 (EST) Received: by AUSYM000 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 27 May 2002 10:57:28 +1000 Message-ID: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542803F52FC1@AUSYM200> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} ownership of www.amstereoradio.com Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 10:57:13 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 No probs, will get onto it! -----Original Message----- From: kevtronics [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, 27 May 2002 10:00 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} ownership of www.amstereoradio.com For those who wish to take over ownership of the www.amstereoradio.com domain name once Ben Lennard relinquishes it on June 5th, I just got this e-mail that probably will make more sense to you than it does to me: From: "Ben Lennard" To: kevtronics@yahoo.com Hey Kevin, Can't remember who it was who emailed me the other day, but if they want to take over the domain they can do the following: Simply get your colleague's ISP to pull from us and you will receive an automated email from ocoloco asking if you will allow the pull, to which you need to respond within 5 days. Ben Lennard Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From marvs@mari-tech.com Sun May 26 18:49:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: marvs@mari-tech.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 27 May 2002 01:49:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 23248 invoked from network); 27 May 2002 01:49:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2002 01:49:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO columbus.globility.com) (205.189.152.11) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2002 01:49:34 -0000 Received: from -mcs-2 (dynamic-b3-157.highspeed.eol.ca [64.56.235.157]) by columbus.globility.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g4R1nX515989 for ; Sun, 26 May 2002 21:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200205262149180880.00109974@mail.globility.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (3) Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 21:49:18 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} ownership of www.amstereoradio.com Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Marv Southcott" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Kevin: Anyone wanting the domain can have it by applying through their domain registrar (or the Internic) to move ownership of the www.amstereoradio.com domain to them. Juding by what Lennard has said, it's first come, first served. Cheers, Marv *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 5/27/02 at 12:00 AM kevtronics wrote: For those who wish to take over ownership of the www.amstereoradio.com domain name once Ben Lennard relinquishes it on June 5th, I just got this e-mail that probably will make more sense to you than it does to me: From: "Ben Lennard" To: kevtronics@yahoo.com Hey Kevin, Can't remember who it was who emailed me the other day, but if they want to take over the domain they can do the following: Simply get your colleague's ISP to pull from us and you will receive an automated email from ocoloco asking if you will allow the pull, to which you need to respond within 5 days. Ben Lennard Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From smpoole7@bellsouth.net Sun May 26 19:21:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: smpoole7@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 27 May 2002 02:21:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 60999 invoked from network); 27 May 2002 02:21:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2002 02:21:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2002 02:21:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2002 02:21:28 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 02:21:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WLYC 1050 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1711 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "professorpoole" X-Originating-IP: 209.214.106.225 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25309165 X-Yahoo-Profile: professorpoole > A question for anyone on the list. Does anyone have > experience of elevated ground systems? I've seen a few, I've never worked on one. A conservative interpretation of 47CFR73.189 in the rules leads one to believe that, unless you have severe mitigating circumstances (ex., the tower is located on solid rock or on a tall building), you'll have to bury the radials. The FCC generally won't approve the new construction of an elevated ground system. Here's the pertinent paragraph: (4) At the present development of the art, it is considered that where a vertical radiator is employed with its base on the ground, the ground system should consist of buried radial wires at least one-fourth wave length long. However, if you do honestly feel that you have no choice, be prepared to make your case to the FCC. You'll probably have to show that you've taken positive steps to protect the radials from vandalism and environmental damage, for example. If this is an existing station with elevated radials, that's a gray area. If you're completely replacing the system, the FCC may expect you to bury the new system if you can (it's actually CHEAPER to bury it, all things considered). If you're just making repairs to the existing system, use good engineering practice -- ex, #10-#6 copper radial wire and silver solder on the connections. Be warned: the above is just my opinion; don't take it as definitive advice. Don't try to shoot from the hip on this, either. An $80 cassette machine is one thing, but you really should get something definitive from the FCC (call or write the Mass Media Bureau) before you sink a ton of money into something that the FCC may not approve! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun May 26 20:09:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 27 May 2002 03:09:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 49875 invoked from network); 27 May 2002 03:09:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2002 03:09:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2002 03:09:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2002 03:09:47 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 03:09:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM Stereo on eBay Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 946 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics A lot of 51 AM Stereo balloons, promoting 1190 KFEZ in Kansas City, MO (which switched to a talk format and dropped Stereo in 1997): http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2104542154 A very nice Becker/Mercedes car radio with AM Stereo... this one has neat features like direct keypad tuning, 1 kHz-step digital fine tuning (in addition to normal 10 kHz steps), and excellent wide-bandwidth C-Quam AM Stereo sound. I believe this radio may also cover the Expanded Band but I'm not sure: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1831163429 A bunch of novelty wrist-watches including some which have the logo of CHFM (?) 1110 AM Stereo on them: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=875179639 A classic Sony SRF-A100 multi-system AM Stereo portable radio with a few minor cosmetic imperfections but otherwise is claimed to work fine: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1354875575 From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun May 26 20:10:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 27 May 2002 03:10:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 87704 invoked from network); 27 May 2002 03:10:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2002 03:10:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2002 03:10:15 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-240.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.240]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4R38SNU011339 for ; Sun, 26 May 2002 22:08:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001601c2052c$59a9df00$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WLYC 1050 Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 22:12:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I don't know if this will be the case here, but often the FCC interprets their rules far more liberally. A conservative reading of part 15 rules wouldn't lead me to believe that a transmitter with its 10' whip mounted on the top of a 30', well grounded pole would be legal, either, but in fact it is allowed, since there is no ground strap between the transmitter and what it's being grounded to. Such installations exist. Professor is right, however, check with Uncle first. YMMV. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "professorpoole" > A conservative interpretation of 47CFR73.189 in the rules leads one > to believe that, unless you have severe mitigating circumstances > (ex., the tower is located on solid rock or on a tall building), > you'll have to bury the radials. The FCC generally won't approve the > new construction of an elevated ground system. From smpoole7@bellsouth.net Mon May 27 06:44:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: smpoole7@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 27 May 2002 13:44:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 6456 invoked from network); 27 May 2002 13:44:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2002 13:44:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2002 13:44:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2002 13:44:51 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 13:44:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: WLYC 1050 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001601c2052c$59a9df00$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1340 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "professorpoole" X-Originating-IP: 209.214.106.84 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25309165 X-Yahoo-Profile: professorpoole Yeah, that's the rub when dealing with Unk Sugar: you never quite know how he'll interpret the more ambiguous rules. It'd be a whole lot simpler if they'd just say, "you must bury the ground system." I think the reason they don't is because they've received so many complaints over the years about too-specific rules stifling technology. For example, a rule that *requires* PLATE voltage and current readings can hardly be applied to a Nautel ND5, right? :) So, the FCC mainly requires that you use good engineering practice and that your antenna system will meet minimum efficiency requirements. Unfortunately, this means that THEY get to interpret what "good engineering practice" is. Speaking from personal experience, if you're building a standard, straight-up 1/4 wave vertical radiator in a standard, straight-up cornfield or old pasture, the FCC will *not* approve radials that are above ground. At least, they didn't when one of my acquaintances back in NC proposed it. Maybe they've changed their minds now; I don't know. By the same token, I do know of stations that have such a ground system; they were able to demonstrate that they really didn't have a choice. The FCC said "yes" in those cases. Thus, we agree: the best thing to do is to get Unk Sugar's blessing before pouring a ton of money into it. :) From philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk Mon May 27 08:16:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philstheboss@thebbc.fslife.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 27 May 2002 15:16:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 48371 invoked from network); 27 May 2002 15:16:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2002 15:16:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.195.173) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2002 15:16:26 -0000 Received: from modem-2819.chimpanzee.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.123.3] helo=fslife.co.uk) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17CMET-0000TO-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 27 May 2002 16:16:26 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 16:15:06 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WLYC, latest news: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-U () From: Philip de Cadenet Reply-To: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113547669 X-Yahoo-Profile: wlyc1050am The trials and tribulations on getting a currently 'dark' station back on-air. I just received this mail from two of my partners who sound like they are currently residing in a certain transmitter hut in Williamsport. Here is what we need like yesterday: 4 Tubes for the CSI 2.5kw Transmitter Model: T-2 5-A1 Tubes: 8166/4-1000A 2 Tube Sockets Part #: V9 & V10 We have been working almost all day and night. We have been working usually till 4:30AM(EST). We had the tx on for a couple of hours on weak tubes and it did okay considering the fact that we had "harmonics" all over the dial and the tubes as bad as they are. Also, the tower lights are out except for one marker light. Can you find out about this too. If anyone has these parts lying around collecting dust do please let me purchase them at the right price to get this, our first station back running right. Thanks -- Philip de Cadenet G4ZOW WLYC 1050 AM -- Philip de Cadenet Transmitters 'R' Us http://www.transmittersrus.com From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Mon May 27 14:44:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 27 May 2002 21:44:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 68965 invoked from network); 27 May 2002 21:44:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2002 21:44:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2002 21:44:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2002 21:44:35 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 21:44:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: SRF-42 and WABC rewound Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 835 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 141.157.200.236 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio A week or so ago, someone posted a link to an SRF-42 for sale on E- Bay. I picked it up for $20. Not having much luck with the 42, I just figured it would be another radio add to my collection. AH! It isn't! It is probably not only the best of the half dozen 42's I have tried, it comes close to some of my better AM gear (Konel AM direction finder and GE SuperRadio I). I am amazed at the difference between this radio and the other 42's. Not even close! Talk about quality control problems (this is also the first 42 that I've gotten that probably didn't come out of a Radio Shack, so that may have something to do with it). With that said, in the wideband mode, WABC rewound sounds amazing! Too bad they're not stereo because they're filling with music between airchecks and newscasts. This 42 was a good catch! From smpoole7@bellsouth.net Mon May 27 20:31:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: smpoole7@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 28 May 2002 03:31:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 97734 invoked from network); 28 May 2002 03:31:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2002 03:31:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2002 03:31:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2002 03:31:03 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 03:31:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WLYC, latest news: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1623 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "professorpoole" X-Originating-IP: 216.76.202.13 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25309165 X-Yahoo-Profile: professorpoole Well, I just love that. I spent 20 minutes typing a detailed reply; Yahoo asked for my password and then lost me back onto the main page. My reply was gone. :( At any rate: I've worked on one of those transmitters, and you have my sympathy. :) > 4 Tubes for the CSI 2.5kw Transmitter > Model: T-2 5-A1 > Tubes: 8166/4-1000A Speaking from experience, check the driver tubes first. That transmitter runs them flat wide open to drive those 4-1000's, and they go dead very quickly. This is a common mistake, too -- you'll replace the 4-1000's when you don't really need to. Not saying you don't, but check the drivers first. If you have to replace the 4-1000's, check www.allelectronics.com; they have them for $125 each. I don't know the brand, but as long as they'll agree to take them back if they're no good (be sure to ask!), I guess it's worth a shot. > 2 Tube Sockets > Part #: V9 & V10 Those sockets can be rebuilt unless they're just burnt up and/or arcing. They're not rocket science; in a pinch, you can even solder an alligator clip onto the wires and clip them onto the tube pins. If you really need the sockets, fairradio.com has a few surplus ones in stock for $55 each. .> We had the tx on for a couple of hours on weak tubes and it did okay > considering the fact that we had "harmonics" all over the dial and the > tubes > as bad as they are. Are you sure you weren't listening at the tower site? That sounds more like an overloaded receiver. Weak 4-1000's wouldn't do that. Again, I suspect weak drivers or a more fundamental problem. THERE! Let's see if it posts this time ... From phil@transmittersrus.com Tue May 28 02:32:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 28 May 2002 09:32:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 47418 invoked from network); 28 May 2002 09:32:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2002 09:32:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail12.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.215) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2002 09:32:29 -0000 Received: from modem-758.cougar.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.226.246] helo=fslife.co.uk) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17CdL9-00057F-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 28 May 2002 10:32:28 +0100 Message-ID: <2f6umrEk5088EwOF@fslife.co.uk> Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 10:31:16 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Elevated Ground MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-U () From: Philip de Cadenet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Hello Prof, Scott and the crew, There are few write-ups of recent work done with broadcast station elevated ground systems. There is an interesting paper on the web at: http://commtechrf.com/amradiator.htm It does show a list of stations that currently use this kind of ground system where between four and six radials are used. I imagine therefore that these stations came up to standard with regards FS measurements. I acknowledge the fact that an elevated ground is open to vandalism but disagree on cost. Two independent ground system suppliers/installers have both told me that there is less cost involved in an elevated system. For another interesting paper: http://www.arising.com.au/people/Holland/Ralph/ShortVert.htm Anyhow, thanks for all your feedback, it is appreciated. -- Philip de Cadenet G4ZOW - WLYC 1050 From philipr@irac.pe.ca Tue May 28 04:39:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 28 May 2002 11:39:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 75569 invoked from network); 28 May 2002 11:39:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2002 11:39:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2002 11:39:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2002 11:39:01 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 11:39:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: SRF-42 and WABC rewound Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1319 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking My Sony SRF-42 - also purchased as a new, old stock item on ebay, works great. Used witha select-a-tenna, its very sensitive. The stereo sound is great - and although tricky to tune, the SAT makes it easy to fine tune even weak signals. Phil P.S. perhaps Sony had "downloaded" a bad batch on Radio Shack - although I hear that some of the RS sourced 42's were OK. --- In amstereoforum@y..., "wgliradio" wrote: > A week or so ago, someone posted a link to an SRF-42 for sale on E- > Bay. I picked it up for $20. Not having much luck with the 42, I > just figured it would be another radio add to my collection. > > AH! > > It isn't! It is probably not only the best of the half dozen 42's I > have tried, it comes close to some of my better AM gear (Konel AM > direction finder and GE SuperRadio I). I am amazed at the > difference between this radio and the other 42's. Not even close! > Talk about quality control problems (this is also the first 42 that > I've gotten that probably didn't come out of a Radio Shack, so that > may have something to do with it). > > With that said, in the wideband mode, WABC rewound sounds amazing! > Too bad they're not stereo because they're filling with music > between airchecks and newscasts. This 42 was a good catch! From RMATHENA@PAPERCUTTERSINC.COM Tue May 28 04:51:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rmathena@papercuttersinc.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 28 May 2002 11:51:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 71554 invoked from network); 28 May 2002 11:51:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2002 11:51:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail09b.bellsouth-hosting.net) (209.130.32.57) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2002 11:51:46 -0000 Received: from 128.242.46.183 (128.242.46.183) by mail09b.bellsouth-hosting.net (RS ver 1.0.63s) with SMTP id 020733983 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 07:54:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 28 May 2002 07:57:41 -0400 Message-ID: <01C2061D.5799A320.rmathena@papercuttersinc.com> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Elevated Ground Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 07:57:40 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 From: Randy Mathena X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=109210582 X-Yahoo-Profile: wpci1490 WE WERE THE FIRST ELEVATED GROUND SYSTEM IN THE USA. WE MET ALL FIELD MEASUREMENTS AND WE HAVE OPERATED SUCCESSFULLY WITH THE SYSTEM FOR SOME 15 YEARS. WE INSTALLED THE SYSTEM OURSELVES AT A COST OF NEAR $800.00. WE HAVE HAD NO PROBLEMS WITH VANDELISIM. RANDY MATHENA WPCI AM STEREO IN GREENVILLE, S.C. ---------- From: Philip de Cadenet[SMTP:phil@transmittersrus.com] Reply To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 5:31 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Elevated Ground <> From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue May 28 10:59:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 28 May 2002 17:59:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 31747 invoked from network); 28 May 2002 17:59:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2002 17:59:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2002 17:59:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2002 17:59:37 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 17:59:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: No more PowerSide at WWRL Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 797 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.58 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics The Kahn PowerSide (on the upper/right sideband) that was installed at 1600 WWRL in New York City now appears to be gone from their signal. Now when I tune them in in Kahn mode, the audio is back in the center, rather than off to the right side. Now the only question is, has WWRL removed their Kahn exciter completely, or are they running it in Kahn AM STEREO mode with a mono audio input? I guess the only way to tell would be to check for the presence of a 15 Hz Kahn pilot tone, but I don't have any radio that responds to the Kahn pilot tone. Oh, and if anybody thinks Kahn AM Stereo doesn't have "platform motion", try listening to WWRL at night in "forced" Kahn Stereo mode -- I heard *plenty* of left-to-right motion in the audio, sometimes even more so than in C-Quam mode! From fanfare@globility.com Tue May 28 12:32:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 28 May 2002 19:32:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 84789 invoked from network); 28 May 2002 19:32:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2002 19:32:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2002 19:32:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2002 19:32:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 19:32:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: IBOC and AM-stereo Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1159 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amfmguy" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.235.142 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy I have not been a member of this group long enough to know all the subjects covered. However, in the event this is not common knowledge, did you know "the AM IBOC system does not support AM stereo broadcasts." To wit: "The design of the AM IBOC system provides a flexible means of transitioning to a digital broadcast system by providing two new waveform types: hybrid and all digital. The hybrid waveform retains the analog AM signal, while the all digital waveform does not. The analog source must be monophonic, as the AM IBOC system does not support AM stereo broadcasts." Source: http://www.ibiquity.com/navframe.html?03content.html Look at Page 3(para 2) of the AM IBOC white paper entitled; "THE STRUCTURE AND GENERATION OF ROBUST WAVEFORMS FOR AM IN BAND ON CHANNEL DIGITAL BROADCASTING" I could not find a date on any of this information. In fact the only date on the site is the copyright date of "2000" Question: Are we to assume that, if AM-IBOC becomes a reality, it would really sound the death knell for stereo broadcasting? Naturally I would defer to those with more current information, if they would care to share it. MS From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue May 28 14:21:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 28 May 2002 21:21:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 76922 invoked from network); 28 May 2002 21:21:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2002 21:21:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2002 21:21:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2002 21:21:25 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 21:21:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC and AM-stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2109 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.58 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Question: Are we to assume that, if AM-IBOC becomes a reality, it > would really sound the death knell for stereo broadcasting? That is a very big "if". Current test results of IBOC on both the AM and FM bands have been very disappointing. On AM, IBOC uses a wider RF signal bandwidth -- 30 kHz (compared to 20 kHz for analog AM) -- that "splatters" onto adjacent channels, and in turn, makes the digital signal prone to being interefered to by stations on nearby frequencies. This problem is so bad that for now, the NRSC (National Radio Systems Committee) has allowed the use of IBOC-AM during daytime hours only. At night the adjacent channel interference problem is bad enough that when 50,000-watt Class A station 1500 WTOP tested IBOC, at night their IBOC digital signal had a useable coverage radius of only 13 MILES! Also, even if this problem did not exist, IBOC on AM has other serious problems as well. In order to broadcast it simultaneously with a regular analog AM signal, the analog signal (what all existing radios will receive) has to be reduced to 4.5 kHz audio bandwidth -- barely better than telephone-quality, and as you mentioned, it is not compatible with AM Stereo (since both AM Stereo and IBOC use a form of QUAM to transmit the signal). Finally, even if it worked perfectly, IBOC does *not* provide "FM-quality" Stereo audio as claimed -- just like an internet "web-cast" using RealAudio or Windows Media Audio, the audio data is highly compressed to a low bit rate, in this case about 36 kbps, so the quality is not much better than you would get from a web-cast over a "56K" modem (which uses a typical bit-rate of 32 kbps). In recent tests, many listeners found that the IBOC AM digital audio actually sounded *worse* than regular analog AM (even without AM Stereo) because of how low its bit-rate is. So, regular analog AM Stereo is here, it works very well, it sounds good, and it is inexpensive to implement -- thus it will continue to be used for many years to come, and there is no reason why we should stop using it and promoting it! From KC4QLP@aol.com Tue May 28 14:42:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 28 May 2002 21:42:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 71323 invoked from network); 28 May 2002 21:42:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2002 21:42:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.5) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2002 21:42:32 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.6f.281af366 (4412) for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 17:42:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6f.281af366.2a2553b9@aol.com> Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 17:42:17 EDT Subject: general question To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Does anyone here in the group have an old Digiceiver laying around that they would like to part with? I'm in the process of trying to rig up a project with a non profit radio station Thanks, Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all Here's an official roster of all AMS stations in the Denver metro. I was just there over the weekend. Grabbed some air checks of KLZ and Radio Dizney 1690. Looks like KLVZ 1220 swapped formats again. Last I was there almost a year ago, it was adult standards. Now it seems to be some sort of Christian format. 560 KLZ (Denver) Soft adult contemporary 670 KLTT (Commerce City) Christian 800 KLDC (Brighton) Christian 1120 KLVZ (Denver) Christian 1650 KBJD (Denver) Christian 1690 KADZ (Arvada) Radio Disney In this day and age 6 of 'em in all. I still think that's a pretty good number for a market Denver's size.....considering there are bigger markets that are AMS-Free. As mentioned before, the guys at Crawford do an outstanding job in their stereo. KLZ and KLVZ sound outstanding! KADZ isn't bad either. They sounded pretty nice. Only had my Aiwa recording cassette walkman. And its bandwidth isn't quite as good as the SRF-42 or others. Still enjoyed it, though. AMS lives on in Denver. MJR n WYO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@csiro.au Tue May 28 16:51:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 28 May 2002 23:51:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 24289 invoked from network); 28 May 2002 23:51:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2002 23:51:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2002 23:51:24 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01703 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 09:51:22 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 09:51:22 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS in Denver In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Tue, 28 May 2002, Michael J. Richard wrote: > Here's an official roster of all AMS stations in the Denver metro. > 560 KLZ (Denver) Soft adult contemporary Michael Is KLZ still the "Legends" format. This station used to audiostream and sounded great. It also had a good website - which I can't find. It's listed on the station locator as "oldies". Ian From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue May 28 17:31:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 29 May 2002 00:31:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 22462 invoked from network); 29 May 2002 00:31:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2002 00:31:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2002 00:31:35 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-84.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.84]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4T0TkNU010371 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 19:29:47 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003201c206a8$875badc0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WLYC, latest news: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 19:33:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude For $125 those 4-1000s are undoubtedly cheap Chinese crap. DEFINITELY make sure you can send duds back. Worse come to worse, you could always replace the tubes and sockets with some ceramic tetrodes that have a bit more heft to them. Same for the driver tube. I'm certain I've read someone on the Radiotech forum who has re-tubed a transmitter and can give you more of an idea of what's involved. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "professorpoole" > Not saying you don't, but check the drivers first. If you have to > replace the 4-1000's, check www.allelectronics.com; they have them > for $125 each. I don't know the brand, but as long as they'll agree > to take them back if they're no good (be sure to ask!), I guess it's > worth a shot. From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue May 28 17:35:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 29 May 2002 00:35:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 75794 invoked from network); 29 May 2002 00:35:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2002 00:35:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2002 00:35:00 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-84.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.84]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4T0XBNU011078 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 19:33:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003801c206a9$0207cae0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLYC, latest news: Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 19:37:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude How many towers; how many beacons and obstruction lights? Bulbs are readily available from many broadcast suppliers. Then you gotta send someone up there to replace them. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip de Cadenet" > Also, the tower lights are out except for one marker light. Can you find > out > about this too. From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue May 28 18:05:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 29 May 2002 01:05:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 17143 invoked from network); 29 May 2002 01:05:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2002 01:05:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2002 01:05:27 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-84.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.84]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4T13ZNU016349 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 20:03:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <007d01c206ad$41c91040$d3a9fea9@me> To: Subject: Fw: tech support Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 20:07:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's the reply I got from down under. Not sure what to answer him, though I'm planning on calling WCTS in the next day or two to see if the phone company has said when they'll get that second line fixed so they can resume stereo operation. When I do, I'll try to remember to ask what they use to get the channels in phase as each signal takes a completely separate path to the transmitter. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Smerdon To: Scott Todd Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 7:46 PM Subject: Re: tech support Hi Scott, The problem device is an ancient Eventide BD-955 delay. We had two in the prog chain - one each for L & R. One of them started to exhibit strange pulsing/pumping noises. A cursory exam showed the problem to be in the dbx compressor module. I haven't had time to troubleshoot it beyond that and the importer/service agent couldn't suggest any quick cures. I'd rather replace it (and its mate) given their age. Particularly as I've recently started at these stations and there are a lot of more pressing problems than that to sort out. Now that Symetrix has discontinued their 610 delay and replaced it with the (much more expensive) 6100, the Eventide BD500 is the most likely replacement candidate. Do you know of any cheaper stereo delay units with buildout/catchup? Cheers! At 07:20 PM 24-05-02 -0500, you wrote: Dear Mr. Smerdon, I understand your station is having some technical problems that prevent you from being in stereo, and a rather expensive problem at that. I'm a broadcast engineer from the states who's a bit of an AM stereo enthusiast, as is my friend Ian from down under, who alerted me to your problem. What was it that bit the dust? I'd like to help if I can. Sincerely, Scott Todd CE- KKMS/WWTC/KYCR St. Paul/Mpls. Minn., USA Peter Smerdon Chief Engineer Radio 3AK / 3MP Melbourne, Australia Ph 03-9866-8666 0419-678-378 Fax 03-9820-9064 email psmerdon@3ak.com.au [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Tue May 28 19:01:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 29 May 2002 02:01:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 83651 invoked from network); 29 May 2002 02:01:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2002 02:01:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2002 02:01:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2002 02:01:10 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 02:01:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: No more PowerSide at WWRL Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 261 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio I can't see any advantage at using Kahn from an engineering standpoint. I have never seen any realistic improvement with AM's using Kahn vs the same station NOT using Kahn. If anything, the audio seems to improve when Powerside is pulled OUT of service. From dav259@csiro.au Tue May 28 19:18:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 29 May 2002 02:18:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 39033 invoked from network); 29 May 2002 02:18:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2002 02:18:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2002 02:18:40 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02257 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 12:18:38 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 12:18:38 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: tech support In-Reply-To: <007d01c206ad$41c91040$d3a9fea9@me> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Tue, 28 May 2002, Scott Todd wrote: > Here's the reply I got from down under. Not sure what to answer him, > though I'm planning on calling WCTS in the next day or two to see if > the phone company has said when they'll get that second line fixed so > they can resume stereo operation. When I do, I'll try to remember to > ask what they use to get the channels in phase as each signal takes a > completely separate path to the transmitter. Thanks alot Scott! It's pretty much Greek to me - but 3AK is a 24/7 talk station and is in 7 seconds delay pretty much all the time. Is that what techo Peter is referring to? 3MP's news is always 7 secs in front of 3AK's. Ian > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Peter Smerdon > To: Scott Todd > Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 7:46 PM > Subject: Re: tech support > > > Hi Scott, > > The problem device is an ancient Eventide BD-955 delay. From smpoole7@bellsouth.net Tue May 28 20:01:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: smpoole7@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 29 May 2002 03:01:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 92516 invoked from network); 29 May 2002 03:01:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2002 03:01:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2002 03:01:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2002 03:01:45 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 03:01:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Elevated Ground Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01C2061D.5799A320.rmathena@papercuttersinc.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1243 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "professorpoole" X-Originating-IP: 216.76.200.172 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25309165 X-Yahoo-Profile: professorpoole --- In amstereoforum@y..., Randy Mathena wrote: > WE WERE THE FIRST ELEVATED GROUND SYSTEM IN THE USA. WE MET ALL FIELD > MEASUREMENTS AND WE HAVE OPERATED SUCCESSFULLY WITH THE SYSTEM FOR SOME 15 > YEARS. WE INSTALLED THE SYSTEM OURSELVES AT A COST OF NEAR $800.00. WE > HAVE HAD NO PROBLEMS WITH VANDELISIM. RANDY MATHENA WPCI AM STEREO IN > GREENVILLE, S.C. Maybe the reason why the FCC won't approve anything other than a "standard" ground system where I live is because of the horrible ground conductivity. One of life's ironies is that I moved from one area with terrible conductivity -- the sandhills of NC -- to another (Alabama). As far as vandalism goes, that's solely a function of the quality of people who live around the site. Here, Bubba likes to hook the loose end of a radial to his truck bumper and pull up enough scrap for beer money. I've also had copper stolen from work sites; we have to securely fence the stuff in before leaving for the day -- EACH day, without fail. Now, in an area with great conductivity, and provided that you use plenty of ground rods, I can see getting away with an abbreviated ground system (elevated OR buried). But I know we won't do it here! :) From smpoole7@bellsouth.net Tue May 28 20:14:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: smpoole7@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 29 May 2002 03:14:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 88083 invoked from network); 29 May 2002 03:14:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2002 03:14:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2002 03:14:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2002 03:14:54 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 03:14:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Elevated Ground Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2f6umrEk5088EwOF@fslife.co.uk> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 628 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "professorpoole" X-Originating-IP: 216.76.200.172 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25309165 X-Yahoo-Profile: professorpoole Yes, that IS interesting; thanks for the links. See my reply to Randy. As Beverage points out in his paper, FCC policy is that you must conduct field-intensity measurements to prove that the antenna system will meet minimum field intensity requirements. This is essentially what I was talking about; my mistake was in assuming that PA would be as bad as what I'm used to here! :) Plus, we DO have problems with vandalism and theft here. The bottom line is, I've never worked with one of these systems. But hey, up there in PA, maybe you COULD give it a try. Have you checked the driver tubes in that transmitter yet? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue May 28 20:19:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 29 May 2002 03:19:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 56433 invoked from network); 29 May 2002 03:19:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2002 03:19:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2002 03:19:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2002 03:19:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 03:17:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AMS in Denver Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 206 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.58 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > 1650 KBJD (Denver) Christian Did you hear any true Stereo sound (separation) from them? When I was in the Denver area two summers ago they were putting out a Stereo signal, but with only mono audio. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue May 28 20:35:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 29 May 2002 03:35:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 83050 invoked from network); 29 May 2002 03:35:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2002 03:35:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14208.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2002 03:35:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20020529033531.56695.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.190] by web14208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 May 2002 20:35:31 PDT Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 20:35:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Still Workin' It To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Thanks to 'narkspud' I sent a CD of LA's Radio Disney to the future owners a future RD in Northern Ohio, and I'm continuing to pester them to add AMS when they take over the Ma&Pa station. Like it or not, getting kids to realize that there's an "AM" button on the radio and playing "music" on AM are two things that make Radio Disney worthwhile, regardless of program content for non-tweens. If they go all AMS, then that's all the better in my book. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue May 28 22:22:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 29 May 2002 05:22:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 59200 invoked from network); 29 May 2002 05:22:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2002 05:22:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2002 05:22:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2002 05:22:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 05:22:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC and AM-stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1068 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.77 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "amfmguy" wrote: > I have not been a member of this group long enough to know all the > subjects covered. However, in the event this is not common knowledge, > did you know "the AM IBOC system does not support AM stereo > broadcasts." > > MS Yea, we all talked about that awhile ago. My position on this is not that it can't support AMS with IBOC but is that they choose not to support it. Since AMS is based on modified QuAM carrying two signals in quadrature which occupy the same BW as mono AM it would still be possible to provide AMS out to the 4.5KHz BW and also IBOC. By developing the two signals (1+L+R)*CosT and (L-R)*CosT at the audio level and then filtering it to remove everything above 4.5KHz then when these two signals modulate the quadrature carriers the composite signal will be C-QuAM with a +/-4.5KHz BW, tha same as the mono AM with IBOC. With DSP this would be very easy to generate. Whether this worth doing is another story since the 4.5KHz mono analog IBOC signal sounds pretty crummy. JSG From michaelj@vcn.com Wed May 29 09:19:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 29 May 2002 16:19:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 68510 invoked from network); 29 May 2002 16:19:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2002 16:19:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sodium.vcn.com) (209.193.72.7) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2002 16:19:50 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.63]) by sodium.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 10:19:49 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: AMS in Denver Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 10:19:51 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit VERY good observation Kevin. You are correct sir! I didn't notice much separation either. Seemed to be a little bit of an "echo"...but barely there. Otherwise pilot-yes, separation no. I DID mean to point that out in my post. I guess they don't want us to hear God in stereo :) MJR -----Original Message----- From: kevtronics [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 9:17 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: AMS in Denver > 1650 KBJD (Denver) Christian Did you hear any true Stereo sound (separation) from them? When I was in the Denver area two summers ago they were putting out a Stereo signal, but with only mono audio. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Wed May 29 09:43:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 29 May 2002 16:43:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 92589 invoked from network); 29 May 2002 16:43:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2002 16:43:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sodium.vcn.com) (209.193.72.7) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2002 16:43:37 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.63]) by sodium.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 10:43:36 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} AMS in Denver Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 10:43:38 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ian Nope...hasn't been "leagends" for a little while now. A while ago....like late last year, they changed over to more of a "women-oriented" format. I remember us on the list talking about how that wasn't a smart move because women would rather hear static-free FM than listen to an AM station. But they're still doing it. A very light Adult Contemporary. Don't get me wrong, it sounds BEAUTIFUL in AM STEREO. But as far as the "leagends" yeah....they let that go. Too bad....I have an aircheck or two of that too from when I was there about a year ago. Sounded awesome. Don't know about the site or the streaming. I can't seem to find anything on the web about a web site for KLZ. MJR -----Original Message----- From: Ian Davidson [mailto:dav259@csiro.au] Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 5:51 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS in Denver Is KLZ still the "Legends" format. This station used to audiostream and sounded great. It also had a good website - which I can't find. It's listed on the station locator as "oldies". Ian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed May 29 12:23:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 29 May 2002 19:23:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 5256 invoked from network); 29 May 2002 19:23:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2002 19:23:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2002 19:23:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2002 19:23:34 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 19:23:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AMS in Denver Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1795 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.167 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > they changed over to more of a "women-oriented" format. I remember > us on the list talking about how that wasn't a smart move because > women would rather hear static-free FM than listen to an AM station. > But they're still doing it. A very light Adult Contemporary. Actually, when a local station here in NJ went on the air (for the first time) in 1998 with a Top 40 format, they specifically targeted women because the thought was that women are less picky about sound quality than men. Of course, this is not to say that this station didn't sound great -- they were in AM Stereo, and with all brand-new equipment tuned up perfectly, it was probably the best-sounding AM station within a 100 mile radius, until they switched to a talk format a few years later. Also, lots of "Nostalgia" or "Adult Standards" stations are now shifting towards a light Oldies/Adult Contemporary format. Even the nationally syndicated "Adult Standards" format carried on probably hundreds of stations (almost all AM) across the USA has done this. The old crooners and big band music has been replaced with lots of Gloria Estefan, Billy Joel, and Celine Dion. I've even heard them play '70s and '80s pop music like "Dancing Queen" and "Uptown Girl". I suppose this may be similar to what stations like Magic 693 are doing -- a very wide variety of music, designed to appeal to many age groups. And I think it's great, not only because I like the music, but because it will undoubtedly be drawing younger listeners to the AM band. And as for the Crawford "Legends" stations, I don't know if all of them have had this sort of format change; I listen to WPTR 1540 AM Stereo from Albany, NY at night but I haven't really paid attention if they're still calling it "Legends" or not. From meridian3891@cs.com Wed May 29 14:45:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: meridian3891@cs.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 29 May 2002 21:45:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 75142 invoked from network); 29 May 2002 21:45:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2002 21:45:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2002 21:45:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2002 21:45:56 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 21:45:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: No more PowerSide at WWRL Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1095 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "onemeridian" X-Originating-IP: 205.166.36.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=48487815 X-Yahoo-Profile: onemeridian --- In amstereoforum@y..., "wgliradio" wrote: > I can't see any advantage at using Kahn from an engineering > standpoint. I have never seen any realistic improvement with AM's > using Kahn vs the same station NOT using Kahn. If anything, the > audio seems to improve when Powerside is pulled OUT of service. Actually, PowerSIDE is useful when dealing with severe nulls, and/or the fading which results when the sidebands are cancelling each other due to arriving out of phase at the receiver point (critical hours & night-time especially). As far as audio is concerned, Power SIDE isn't meant to do anything for the audio. If properly adjusted & calibrated, listeners will not notice the difference, even with a digital center-tuned receiver. As for Kevin from KevTronics, were you able to discern any differentiation in channel information in Kahn mode? Just curious, since the PowerSIDE generator has a single toggle switch on its front panel which can switch the unit to Kahn stereo mode! Tony KA3SVT From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed May 29 15:44:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 29 May 2002 22:44:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 18654 invoked from network); 29 May 2002 22:44:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2002 22:44:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2002 22:44:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2002 22:44:15 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 22:44:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: No more PowerSide at WWRL Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 879 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.167 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > were you able to discern any differentiation in channel information > in Kahn mode? Just curious, since the PowerSIDE generator has a > single toggle switch on its front panel which can switch the unit to > Kahn stereo mode! During the daytime, WWRL runs mostly Infomercials, but even during their music programs its sounds like mono to me. I am basically in a null of WWRL's signal, so at night they get mixed with a lot of skywave interference which gives Kahn Stereo mode some interesting phasing effects, but I don't hear any true Stereo separation from WWRL in either Kahn or C-Quam mode. And when they were using PowerSide, the audio was mostly in the right channel, with the left channel carring nothing but a little distortion. I wonder if Kahn has a 30-day money-back guarantee on his products -- it seems like WWRL used PowerSide for less than a month! From groucho@skyweb.net Wed May 29 18:09:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 30 May 2002 01:09:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 84337 invoked from network); 30 May 2002 01:09:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2002 01:09:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2002 01:09:45 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g4U1A3VG067056 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 21:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3CF57C09.2C4E87F9@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 21:10:33 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Subject: WTTM Update Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Hi guys I received a phone call from Verizon today. to verify that they are working On installing my second feed... they said it would Be a little longer than the normal 30days...because of the Holidays.. they will try to get it in Before the 4th of july. I sure hope so..I cannot wait to be Full Stereo to hear what you guys are talking about... all I know is that Im about 22 miles from my transmitter and all I hear at night is WTIR down in winter garden,FLA.. like I was sitting in their transmitter shack.. those guys don't seem to lower their Power at sunset.. they have a Better signal up here than My own transmitter Does... Makes me want to Keep My power up ,but Im a good Engineer and Do lower to my 1 Kw at sunset... Neal . From shelswartz@yahoo.com Wed May 29 20:02:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: shelswartz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 30 May 2002 03:02:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 99019 invoked from network); 30 May 2002 03:02:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2002 03:02:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14905.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.225.57) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2002 03:02:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20020530030238.29847.qmail@web14905.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.86.171.193] by web14905.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 29 May 2002 20:02:38 PDT Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 20:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTM Update To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3CF57C09.2C4E87F9@skyweb.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Shel Swartz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91652391 X-Yahoo-Profile: shelswartz I live only 300 miles or so from WTIR (in W. Palm Beach) but I can't hear them at night at all! Maybe I'l get lucky and hear yours at some time. Let us know if you do a "DX test" at 10kw! Thanks! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From alfredot@inetarena.com Wed May 29 20:03:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredot@inetarena.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 30 May 2002 03:03:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 386 invoked from network); 30 May 2002 03:03:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2002 03:03:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.inetarena.com) (206.129.216.13) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2002 03:03:31 -0000 Received: from hendrie (1Cust61.tnt5.portland.or.da.uu.net [67.227.210.61]) by mail.inetarena.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g4U33Pk03521 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 20:03:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 20:02:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: alfredo@hendrie.1610am.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: Elevated Ground In-Reply-To: <1022639690.1538.5359.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Alfredo E. Torrejon" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25132238 X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon Randy Mathena writes: > WE WERE THE FIRST ELEVATED GROUND SYSTEM IN THE USA. WE MET ALL FIELD > MEASUREMENTS AND WE HAVE OPERATED SUCCESSFULLY WITH THE SYSTEM FOR SOME 15 > YEARS. WE INSTALLED THE SYSTEM OURSELVES AT A COST OF NEAR $800.00. WE > HAVE HAD NO PROBLEMS WITH VANDELISIM. RANDY MATHENA WPCI AM STEREO IN > GREENVILLE, S.C. If all goes well, I will set up a low-powered AM stereo station, using an elevated ground system, at the Burning Man festival this year. For ease of setup and low cost, I'm thinking of using four 100' radials sitting on the ground. I will be transmitting at a frequency of 1560 kHz, so the radials will be less than 1/4 wavelength. Could there be loss problems due to the close proximity of the radials to the earth's surface? According to my map of ground conductivity, the soil at the Burning Man site is supposed to be about 8 millimhos/meter. Alfredo From rjskadl@yahoo.com Wed May 29 23:07:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 30 May 2002 06:07:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 34036 invoked from network); 30 May 2002 06:07:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2002 06:07:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2002 06:07:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2002 06:07:09 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 06:07:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WTTM Update Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3CF57C09.2C4E87F9@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 624 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl Hey Neal, I was just wondering. Are you guys broadcasting out of Princeton still, or are yous now down in Lindenwold closer to Philly? The FCC Database shows WTTM licensed to Princeton w/ a valid CP for Lindenwold. Anyhow, I noticed that WTIR just outside of Orlando has pretty darn close to a half wave stick. Maybe the extra bit of efficiency helps them out, but 22 miles versus several hundred miles just don't seem to add up too much. I think you are right and something fishy is going on down there. Now RF can do funny and weird things, but I do think that this is something worth investigating. -Russ From rjskadl@yahoo.com Wed May 29 23:11:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 30 May 2002 06:11:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 66239 invoked from network); 30 May 2002 06:11:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2002 06:11:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2002 06:11:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2002 06:11:00 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 06:11:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WTTM Update Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 394 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl > > Hey Neal, I was just wondering. Are you guys broadcasting out of > Princeton still, or are yous now down in Lindenwold closer to > Philly? Sometimes I answer my own questions. I looked at some old posts and saw that you are indeed in Princeton and not in Lindenwold. Would I be right in assuming that WTTM is going to remain in Princeton now that Multicultural has bought it? From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu May 30 00:05:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 30 May 2002 07:05:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 71516 invoked from network); 30 May 2002 07:05:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2002 07:05:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11704.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2002 07:05:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20020530070546.31810.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.36.181] by web11704.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 30 May 2002 00:05:46 PDT Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 00:05:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WTTM Update To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio When I lived in Florida, I couldn't hear any EB-er day or night except on occassion (sp.?). 1680 was not audible except once in a while. 73, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From phil@transmittersrus.com Thu May 30 00:33:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 30 May 2002 07:33:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 5624 invoked from network); 30 May 2002 07:33:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2002 07:33:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imailg2.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.195.180) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2002 07:33:27 -0000 Received: from modem-3539.chimpanzee.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.125.211] helo=fslife.co.uk) by imailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17DKR4-00039r-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 30 May 2002 08:33:26 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 08:32:27 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Elevated Ground MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-U () From: Philip de Cadenet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Hello Prof, Randy and others, AFAIK you definitely do not use ground rods in an elevated systems. That's one of the points of the system, it's both elevated and insulated from real ground other than at the base of the tower if need be. We're talking ground plane antennas here unless I'm mistaken. I'm not sure if the driver tubes have been tested yet as I'm conducting all my homework from here in London, England. I have been passing on all the mail and letting my colleagues and a local engineer try and work all the bugs out of this operation. They did go out driving yesterday and the signal was at least as strong as the two other local AM's. A frequency check had the old girl bang on frequency. I spoke to the UK rep for BE yesterday. He gets a whopping 15% commission on sales and said he could pass some of this on should I buy one of their units further down the road. It seems to be around $8K less expensive than an equivalent Nautel but more expensive than either an Omni-tronix or Energy Onix. I will be flying out to the US once the FCC has approved everything regards the transfer of ownership and when we are formally on the air rather than just testing. Randy, a couple of questions. Did you hire a fence post machine to dig the holes for the radial supports? How many radials, 4 or 6? Any chance of a picture of the system? Thanks -- Philip de Cadenet WLYC 1050 From dav259@csiro.au Thu May 30 01:36:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 30 May 2002 08:36:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 34042 invoked from network); 30 May 2002 08:36:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2002 08:36:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2002 08:36:42 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08051; Thu, 30 May 2002 18:36:40 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 18:36:40 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Cc: , David McKay Subject: 3mp-is-back-in-stereo!!!!!! 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Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 04:52:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Great News, Ian! Looks like you better "dash" off for a new keybaord... heh heh... CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Davidson From dav259@csiro.au Thu May 30 01:59:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 30 May 2002 08:59:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 44227 invoked from network); 30 May 2002 08:59:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2002 08:59:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2002 08:59:52 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08131 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 18:59:50 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 18:59:50 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 3mp-is-back-in-stereo!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <006e01c207b7$439bf8a0$0101a8c0@pavilion> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public chris------this-is-the-greatest!-----i-cried! On Thu, 30 May 2002, Christopher Cuff wrote: > Great News, Ian! > Looks like you better "dash" off for a new keybaord... heh heh... > CC > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ian Davidson > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ian Davidson _--_|\ CSIRO Minerals / \ tel +61 3 9545 8717 Box 312, Clayton South \_.--.*/ fax +61 3 9562 8919 Victoria, Australia 3169 v ian.davidson@csiro.au ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu May 30 03:05:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 30 May 2002 10:05:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 35313 invoked from network); 30 May 2002 10:05:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2002 10:05:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.149) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2002 10:05:38 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 30 May 2002 03:05:38 -0700 Received: from 209.240.222.130 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 30 May 2002 10:05:38 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: WTIR (1680 a.m. mono) Winter Garden,FL Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 10:05:38 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 May 2002 10:05:38.0725 (UTC) FILETIME=[8C82A550:01C207C1] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.222.130] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 I have to agree with Shel Swartz that WTIR doesn't appear to be running 10 kw at night; I live approx 125 miles southwest of Winter Garden and can barely receive them at night; however the 1700 out of Miami Springs I can pick up with excellent reception night and can even pick them up for a few hours after sunrise and a about an hour before sunset and they are about 200 miles s.e. of where I am. Also my parents live about 42 miles east of Winter Garden (where WTIR's tower is) and I can receive them with a so so signal during the day and a decent signal at night from that location, but again, still not as well as the nighttime signal from 1700 (Spanish religion station) in Miami Springs. donn tillman st petersburg Shel Swartz wrote: >I live only 300 miles or so from WTIR (in W. Palm Beach) but I can't hear them at night at all! _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From groucho@skyweb.net Thu May 30 04:21:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 30 May 2002 11:21:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 29149 invoked from network); 30 May 2002 11:21:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2002 11:21:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2002 11:21:17 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g4UBLZVG028269 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 07:21:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3CF60B5F.E9BE9EA3@skyweb.net> Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 07:22:07 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WTTM Update References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Hi Russ Yes WTTM transmitter is in the corner of Princeton,Hopewell area and the studios are in Metuchen. I hope WTTM NEVER goes to Linenwold that would destroy My market demographics. Im actually trying to get hold of the last owner of WERA and try to make a deal so WTTM can actually move to the WERA site. From what I Understand. a Developer wants to Buy the land(7 acres) and build Townhouses. The Township Of Plainfield does not want the town houses. so I may get lucky. if I propose to them to Re-light up a Radiostation In Plainfield.. If It goes the Way I would Like and My boss's agree with Me. then the transmitter would Be only 3 Miles from the studio instead Of 20 miles and it would also Cover My market demographics better where the South Asian Population is actually located.. I get so many complaints from our listeners that they cannot hear the station well. from Princeton.. that 20 miles makes a huge difference.. NOW as for Shel and Donn WTIR may Be within 300 Miles of you guys. but its almost 1200 miles from Me,and has a Better signal at Night than My own station. I just wonder If you guys down there can hear My Hindi Music at Night or is it a 1 propagation If its Only a 1 way then something is not right and I cannot Believe its atmospherics because they are just slamming Me here. and Im listening On a cheap radio shack car radio in my van In the driveway. no special radio or antenna system. ,and Shel.. NO I Don't run DX tests at 10 kW at night... Because of the antenna being diplexed there is a small problem .when the other station switches its pattern off of our shared antenna my transmitters modulation Envelope goes nuts at 10 kW. I found this after finding a few status Lights on my amp modules were Lit up indicating Blown fuses.and received alarms.. I was their when I saw it happen...I noticed that they switch off an hour earlier than sunset. about 6pm. so at 6 pm I reduce power down to 8 kW then at 7:15pm I reduce to 1 kW. so far there have been no more Fuses blown I love my Harris transmitter Easy to work On... LOL I guess they didn't have this Problem when Both stations were On the same Controller. it would switch and reduce both stations at the same time ,But because both are now On separate controllers with Different Clocks. this was my solution. I hope in January when the other station Goes Dark. This problem will go away when we are the only ones on the Tower. Neal From jwelton@nautel.com Thu May 30 04:27:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 30 May 2002 11:27:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 7858 invoked from network); 30 May 2002 11:27:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2002 11:27:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO relay2.softcomca.com) (168.144.1.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2002 11:27:44 -0000 Received: from m2w098.softcomca.com ([168.144.108.98]) by relay2.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Thu, 30 May 2002 07:27:43 -0400 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: {AMSF} Elevated Ground Sender: "jwelton@nautel.com" Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 07:27:43 -0400 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Cc: "phil@transmittersrus.com" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Return-Path: jwelton@nautel.com Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 May 2002 11:27:44.0011 (UTC) FILETIME=[0435A5B0:01C207CD] From: "jwelton@nautel.com" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Originating-IP: 24.222.136.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 Philip: Just a couple of points: >AFAIK you definitely do not use ground rods in an elevated systems.=20 >That's one of the points of the system,=20 Don't forget that, from a lightning protection standpoint, you will still n= eed to drive several ground rods to establish a reference ground near the p= oint where the coax leaves the transmitter building, with a strap out to th= e ATU to ground it, as well. Also, you will need to ensure that the antenn= a spark gap is bonded to this strap and there should be a couple (at least = four) ground rods driven at the base of the tower to provide a good ground = for the spark gap, as well as the ATU static drain choke. Otherwise, your = solid state transmitter (whether ours or the "other guys'") will spend a lo= t of time receiving maintenance. Scott T. and others could provide you wit= h some invaluable real-world information on the importance of lightning pro= tection grounding. Also check Polyphaser's web site at www.polyphaser.com = - their book, "The Grounds for Lightning Protection" (hope I have that righ= t) is an extremely useful resource. >He gets a whopping 15% commission on sales and said he could pass some of = >this on should I buy one of their units further down the road. It seems to= >be around $8K less expensive than an equivalent Nautel=20 The commission rate is about standard for the industry, and most salesmen w= ill discount their commission to achieve a sale - I suspect ours are the sa= me. You might be best finding the agents local to the station and getting = a quote from them, as most companies (us included) have higher prices for e= xport transmitters, due to the increased complexity of packaging required, = among other things. The price differential you quote seems a little high, = so I'm wondering if you're comparing a domestically priced BE against our e= xport priced system. However, I have been wrong before...! Don't get me w= rong, from all I've heard the BE is a fine box (of course I tend to be a li= ttle biased toward the Nautels!), but typically they don't tend to run that= much less than ours. If you require any additional information or assistance, please do not hesi= tate to contact me. I will be out of the office for a few days, but will t= ry to respond early next week to any requests. Best Regards, Jeff Welton Customer Service Dept. Nautel Ltd. Tel: +1-902-823-3900, ext. 127 Fax: +1-902-823-3183 jwelton@nautel.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From groucho@skyweb.net Thu May 30 04:30:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 30 May 2002 11:30:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 24316 invoked from network); 30 May 2002 11:30:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2002 11:30:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2002 11:30:26 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g4UBUiVG029211 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 07:30:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3CF60D85.AE168C9D@skyweb.net> Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 07:31:17 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WTTM Update References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Hi Russ Yes WTTM transmitter is in the corner of Princeton,Hopewell area and the studios are in Metuchen. I hope WTTM NEVER goes to Linenwold that would destroy My market demographics. Im actually trying to get hold of the last owner of WERA and try to make a deal so WTTM can actually move to the WERA site. From what I Understand. a Developer wants to Buy the land(7 acres) and build Townhouses. The Township Of Plainfield does not want the town houses. so I may get lucky. if I propose to them to Re-light up a Radiostation In Plainfield.. If It goes the Way I would Like and My boss's agree with Me. then the transmitter would Be only 3 Miles from the studio instead Of 20 miles and it would also Cover My market demographics better where the South Asian Population is actually located.. I get so many complaints from our listeners that they cannot hear the station well. from Princeton.. that 20 miles makes a huge difference.. NOW as for Shel and Donn WTIR may Be within 300 Miles of you guys. but its almost 1200 miles from Me,and has a Better signal at Night than My own station. I just wonder If you guys down there can hear My Hindi Music at Night or is it a 1 propagation If its Only a 1 way then something is not right and I cannot Believe its atmospherics because they are just slamming Me here. and Im listening On a cheap radio shack car radio in my van In the driveway. no special radio or antenna system. ,and Shel.. NO I Don't run DX tests at 10 kW at night... Because of the antenna being diplexed there is a small problem .when the other station switches its pattern off of our shared antenna my transmitters modulation Envelope goes nuts at 10 kW. I found this after finding a few status Lights on my amp modules were Lit up indicating Blown fuses.and received alarms.. I was their when I saw it happen...I noticed that they switch off an hour earlier than sunset. about 6pm. so at 6 pm I reduce power down to 8 kW then at 7:15pm I reduce to 1 kW. so far there have been no more Fuses blown I love my Harris transmitter Easy to work On... LOL I guess they didn't have this Problem when Both stations were On the same Controller. it would switch and reduce both stations at the same time ,But because both are now On separate controllers with Different Clocks. this was my solution. I hope in January when the other station Goes Dark. This problem will go away when we are the only ones on the Tower. Shel and Donn let me know If you can Hear WTTM Down that way at night. so far my southern report has been from Baltimore,Maryland at the 1 kW nothing south of that.. which again makes it hard foe Me to Believe that WTIR is Running 1 kW at Night. then again If they are Running a 1/4 wave stick compared to My 1/8 wave. that may make the Difference. Neal From zyberfred@yahoo.com Thu May 30 05:09:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: zyberfred@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 30 May 2002 12:09:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 97003 invoked from network); 30 May 2002 12:09:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2002 12:09:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2002 12:09:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2002 12:09:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 12:09:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: need list 50,000 watt AMstereo Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 442 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Zyberfred" X-Originating-IP: 67.251.196.193 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=9445783 X-Yahoo-Profile: Zyberfred Dear all, I am brand new to this forum. Am looking for a list of 50,000 clear channel stations broadcasting in AM stereo. Also i used to listen to KOMA 1520 in AM stereo, when did they turn off their stereo pilot? And why? KELO 1320 in Sioux Falls SD went off AM stereo because their stereo exciter bit the dust and they did not want to spend the money to repair it about 2 years ago. thank you for reading this post. Fred WA0PBL From smpoole7@bellsouth.net Thu May 30 05:38:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: smpoole7@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 30 May 2002 12:38:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 31104 invoked from network); 30 May 2002 12:38:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2002 12:38:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2002 12:38:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2002 12:38:20 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 12:38:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Elevated Ground Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2475 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "professorpoole" X-Originating-IP: 209.214.104.39 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25309165 X-Yahoo-Profile: professorpoole > AFAIK you definitely do not use ground rods in an elevated systems. > That's one of the points of the system, it's both elevated and insulated .. Ah! I think I finally understand a key source of confusion here. Phillip, there is no "definitely" or "definitely do not." The term "elevated ground system" simply refers to a ground system with radials that are elevated. It's a catch-all term. THIS is where you guys were throwing me! An elevated system can include what you're talking about, *OR* traditional 90-to-120-radial jobs mounted above ground for some compelling reason (such as in a waterway), *OR* whatever. Elevated simply means "elevated." WPCI might have been the first of the type that Beverage describes, but it was NOT the very first elevated ground system; those have been around almost since the beginning of radio. For example, directional stations built in wetlands will suspend the whole shebang in air to prevent pattern drift with rising tides. *THIS* is what I meant by, "the FCC will approve under special conditions." I *knew* what I was talking about there, because like I said, I've seen elevated systems get *shot down* in NC. The FCC said, "NO. You cannot build this, try again." Ah, now I understand. :) NOW: I had a chance to read that paper in some detail. I respect Clarence Beverage more than you'll ever know, but hey, I'm an old jaded buck engineer who's seen just about everything. EVERY system has drawbacks and compromises, this one included. Jeff mentions one in his reply: lightning protection. At least one ground rod is usually required by the local code, anyway; if your tower shack is in the middle of the radial field, you've now violated the "everything above ground" rule, and there's no way around it. Here's another serious drawback: lower signal emission. Read that paper very carefully; they admit this, too. This is an ECONOMY system that will meet minimal FCC requirements (analogous to broadcasters who will build very short towers, accepting the efficiency hit, just because they can't afford anything taller or bigger). The bottom line is, if you want to put the strongest signal possible into your city of license, especially in areas of poor ground conductivity, you will fill the ground with copper wire and clad ground rods. But yeah, if you're tight for money and just need a ground system to get on the air ASAP, by all means, try it. Just be aware of its limitations. From shelswartz@yahoo.com Thu May 30 07:50:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: shelswartz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 30 May 2002 14:50:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 57990 invoked from network); 30 May 2002 14:50:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2002 14:50:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14907.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.225.59) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2002 14:50:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20020530145044.23828.qmail@web14907.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.86.161.36] by web14907.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 30 May 2002 07:50:44 PDT Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 07:50:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTIR (1680 a.m. mono) Winter Garden,FL To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Shel Swartz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91652391 X-Yahoo-Profile: shelswartz I can barely receive WTIR during the day here in West Palm Beach. I doubt the station is running 10,000 Watts, but if it is, there must be a problem with the antenna, the station isn't running at full modulation, or something. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From steveking@wgnradio.com Thu May 30 08:12:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: steveking@wgnradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 30 May 2002 15:12:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 96387 invoked from network); 30 May 2002 15:12:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2002 15:12:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2002 15:12:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2002 15:12:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 15:12:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: need list 50,000 watt AMstereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 736 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgnhim" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.192.154 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71806925 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgnhim Hi Fred, I don't have a list, but I'll ask our engineering dept. if they know of one. In the meantime, here's a few that I'm familiar with. Here in Chicago, my home base WGN (720) plus WLS (890), WBBM (780) should be - but doesn't seem to always be in stereo. In Nashville, TN, WSM (650) should be. I'm pretty sure WIBC, Indianapolis is. There are a lot more, but a case of brain fade is keeping them from me at the moment. I'm pretty sure there is a list on one of the AM Stereo websites. Hope this helps a little. More as I know it. Steve King/WGN-AM, Chicago --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Zyberfred" wrote: > Am looking for a list of 50,000 clear channel stations broadcasting in AM stereo. > Fred From philipr@irac.pe.ca Thu May 30 08:49:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 30 May 2002 15:49:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 35536 invoked from network); 30 May 2002 15:49:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2002 15:49:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2002 15:49:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2002 15:48:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 15:48:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Ground systems, conductivity, tower design etc. Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2704 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking While we are on this interesting topic, I want to throw out something that I heard years ago. Not being a broadcast engineer, I do not know if this info was a fable or fact. Here goes the story: In 1975 a 10 kw DA-2 station went on the air in Nova Scotia on 1410 khz. 1/4 wave towers - 175 feet each. Transmitter site was very close [less than a 1/4 mile] from a body of salt water. Supposedly, it initially used a very deep single pole for a ground system for each of its two towers. Think steel well casing and hiring the local well driller! In 1979 its final proof of performance was completed, after a ground radial system per DOC [now Industry Canada] specs was installed - 120 radials, each 4/10 of a wavelength in length. The ground conductivity at the site was simply dreadful - extremely rocky soil. Signal over the salt water was of course excellant. No surprise! In its early years, the stations signal was pretty good by day, dreadful at night. By 1978 or so, its perceived daytime signal had deteriorated significantly. Modulation down? Poor tuning? OR - a different ground system? I have heard of so called AM dipole arrays. Could this arrangement be considered a dipole - e.g. one end of the dipole being the tower, the other the "well casing"? Apparently, in the era of low power CBC AM rebroadcasters [10 to 40 watts] they used a "dipole" antenna. Second item - wideband v. narrow band towers. Old spouses' tale? Or truth? I've heard that narrow band towers used in the 70s and before do not adapt well to AM stereo, while wideband or broadband towers work well. This was explained to me on the basis of cross sectional width - the narrower the tower, the narrower the bandwidth. So the story goes, this was one of the reasons why CFCY pulled the plug on AM stereo - it didn't work well from an engingeering point of view because of its 3 old [I'd say mid 60s] narrow towers. Apparently, so rumour has it, this was also why CJFX timed AM stereo for a new transmitter site in 1991, using two 430 foot high towers [1/4 wavelength on 580], with a lovely 25kw Nautel and has steadily broadcast CQUAM ever since. I pose this information - possibly misinformation - to create some discussion - because broadcast grounding sytems and tower design has quite an impact on coverage. When AM radio exhibits impressive coverage, the argument for AM - and AM Stereo - grows stronger. I'm no engineer, but I am a radio enthusiast/electronic hobbyist/armchair radio broadcasting critic. Is there something to these stories, interesting hintys/ideas, or nothing but "horse- hockey" - to quote Col. Sherman T. Potter M*A*S*H Phil in PEI Canada From meridian3891@cs.com Thu May 30 09:13:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: meridian3891@cs.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 30 May 2002 16:13:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 21356 invoked from network); 30 May 2002 16:13:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2002 16:13:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2002 16:13:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2002 16:13:08 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 16:13:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WTTM Update Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3CF60B5F.E9BE9EA3@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3039 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "onemeridian" X-Originating-IP: 205.166.36.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=48487815 X-Yahoo-Profile: onemeridian --- In amstereoforum@y..., Neal Newman wrote: > Hi Russ > Yes WTTM transmitter is in the corner of Princeton,Hopewell area > and the studios are in Metuchen. > I hope WTTM NEVER goes to Linenwold that would destroy My market > demographics. Im actually trying to get hold of the last owner of WERA > and try to make a deal so WTTM can actually move to the WERA site. From > what I Understand. a Developer wants to Buy the land(7 acres) and build > Townhouses. The Township Of Plainfield does not want the town houses. so > I may get lucky. if I propose to them to Re-light up a Radiostation In > Plainfield.. If It goes the Way I would Like and My boss's agree with > Me. then the transmitter would Be only 3 Miles from the studio instead > Of 20 miles and it would also Cover My market demographics better where > the South Asian Population is actually located.. > I get so many complaints from our listeners that they cannot hear the > station well. from Princeton.. that 20 miles makes a huge difference.. > NOW as for Shel and Donn WTIR may Be within 300 Miles of you guys. but > its almost 1200 miles from Me,and has a Better signal at Night than My > own station. > I just wonder If you guys down there can hear My Hindi Music at Night or > is it a 1 propagation If its Only a 1 way then something is not right > and I cannot Believe its atmospherics because they are just slamming Me > here. and Im listening On a cheap radio shack car radio in my van In the > driveway. no special radio or antenna system. > ,and Shel.. NO I Don't run DX tests at 10 kW at night... Because of the > antenna being diplexed there is a small problem .when the other station > switches its pattern off of our shared antenna my transmitters > modulation Envelope goes nuts at 10 kW. I found this after finding a few > status Lights on my amp modules were Lit up indicating Blown fuses.and > received alarms.. I was their when I saw it happen...I noticed that they > switch off an hour earlier than sunset. about 6pm. so at 6 pm I reduce > power down to 8 kW then at 7:15pm I reduce to 1 kW. so far there have > been no more Fuses blown I love my Harris transmitter Easy to work > On... LOL > I guess they didn't have this Problem when Both stations were On the > same Controller. it would switch and reduce both stations at the same > time ,But because both are now On separate controllers with Different > Clocks. this was my solution. > I hope in January when the other station Goes Dark. This problem will > go away when we are the only ones on the Tower. > Neal Actually, WTTM's signal is good here (day or night)in Lansdale, PA. This is northwest of Philadelphia. Lansdale has a pretty large South Asian population as well, & reception here is clear. Hopefully your other problem will be alleviated (or eliminated altogether) when the other station shuts down. Also, you could try for simulcasting on both frequencies (WERA's & 1680); it's just a curious suggestion of mine. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu May 30 09:52:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 30 May 2002 16:52:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 76691 invoked from network); 30 May 2002 16:52:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2002 16:52:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14202.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.144) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2002 16:52:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20020530165246.3624.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 30 May 2002 09:52:46 PDT Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 09:52:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Monopoly in radio, tickets, etc? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio A monopoly in Radio and Music - no way? Read it and weep: http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/showcase/chi-0205230238may23.story?coll=chi BTW, ClearChannel has formed a Poitical Action Committe - now why would they need something like that? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From meridian3891@cs.com Thu May 30 10:49:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: meridian3891@cs.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 30 May 2002 17:49:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 9330 invoked from network); 30 May 2002 17:49:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2002 17:49:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2002 17:49:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2002 17:49:42 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 17:49:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Monopoly in radio, tickets, etc? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020530165246.3624.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1112 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "onemeridian" X-Originating-IP: 205.166.36.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=48487815 X-Yahoo-Profile: onemeridian --- In amstereoforum@y..., Johnny Electron wrote: > A monopoly in Radio and Music - no way? Read it and weep: > > http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/showcase/chi- 0205230238may23.story?coll=chi > > BTW, ClearChannel has formed a Poitical Action Committe - now why > would they need something like that? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com There is a sense of security in knowing that when a particular industry is deregulated, it is likely to collapse & cause more grief than before. Cable deregulation resulted in skyrocketing bills. The same applies to the phone companies. Remember the rolling blackouts in California last year? The airlines were (& still are)filing Chapter 11 as though it were a fad. The broadcasting industry also needs to have its own system of checks & balances; to deregulate is to scrap such a system. He who fails to pay attention to history is fated to repeat it. Tony KA3SVT From meridian3891@cs.com Thu May 30 12:43:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: meridian3891@cs.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 30 May 2002 19:43:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 54006 invoked from network); 30 May 2002 19:43:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2002 19:43:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2002 19:43:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2002 19:43:26 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 19:43:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WTTM Update Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3CF57C09.2C4E87F9@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1007 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "onemeridian" X-Originating-IP: 205.166.36.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=48487815 X-Yahoo-Profile: onemeridian --- In amstereoforum@y..., Neal Newman wrote: > Hi guys > I received a phone call from Verizon today. to verify that they are > working On installing my second feed... they said it would Be a little > longer than the normal 30days...because of the Holidays.. they will try > to get it in Before the 4th of july. > I sure hope so..I cannot wait to be Full Stereo to hear what you guys > are talking about... > all I know is that Im about 22 miles from my transmitter and all I hear > at night is WTIR down in winter garden,FLA.. like I was sitting in their > transmitter shack.. those guys don't seem to lower their Power at > sunset.. they have a Better signal up here than My own transmitter > Does... > Makes me want to Keep My power up ,but Im a good Engineer and Do > lower to my 1 Kw at sunset... > Neal > . Try the RadioShack AM loop antenna. I bought one & it does make quite a difference. They are normally $29.95. Tony KA3SVT From bryancain57@yahoo.com Thu May 30 13:03:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: bryancain57@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 30 May 2002 20:03:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 47439 invoked from network); 30 May 2002 20:03:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2002 20:03:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2002 20:03:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2002 20:03:21 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 20:03:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: WTIR Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 128 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bryancain57" X-Originating-IP: 63.188.33.215 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=111365738 X-Yahoo-Profile: bryancain57 I've dxed them at least twice here in Cleveland(winter nights) and have heard other stories about how locals can't tune them. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu May 30 15:03:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 30 May 2002 22:03:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 42533 invoked from network); 30 May 2002 22:03:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2002 22:03:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2002 22:03:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2002 22:03:06 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 22:03:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 3mp-is-back-in-stereo!!!!!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 739 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > (my-bad-news-is-that-i've-been-having-keyboard-troubles-at-home-and > -today-brought-home-a-disused-keyboard-where-the-space-bar-doesn't > -work-amongst-other-things-but-at-least-i-can-write-pigeon-english) If you're using a PC and the space bar doesn't work, to get a space on your screen, hold down Alt as you type 32 on the numeric keypad. That generates the space symbol without having to use the space bar. You can actually do this for any character. Just look up its ASCII code, and type that on the keypad (not on the numbers across the letter keys) while holding down Alt. For example, uppercase "A" is ASCII code 65, so to get an "A" if your A key is broken, type Alt-65. Just make sure Num Lock is turned on first! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu May 30 15:38:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 30 May 2002 22:38:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 38074 invoked from network); 30 May 2002 22:38:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2002 22:38:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2002 22:38:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2002 22:38:12 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 22:38:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WTTM Update Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3CF60B5F.E9BE9EA3@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 895 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Im actually trying to get hold of the last owner of WERA and try to > make a deal so WTTM can actually move to the WERA site. That sounds like a great idea. As you say, most of the station's listeners are in central NJ, and from the ex-WERA location, that is where the signal would cover it the best. > I hope in January when the other station Goes Dark. This problem > will go away when we are the only ones on the Tower. So 1350 WHWH is going to go dark soon? I heard that was part of the deal when 1680 WTTM was sold from Nassau to Multicultural Broadcasting. WHWH has been running a Business Talk format that is getting virtually no ratings and although I have fond memories of their live, local full service Adult Contemporary format in AM STEREO, since about 1996, WHWH has never broadcast anything worth listening to anymore and I will not miss them when they are gone. From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu May 30 16:10:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 30 May 2002 23:10:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 87831 invoked from network); 30 May 2002 23:10:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2002 23:10:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2002 23:10:28 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-118.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.118]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4UN7rIO015120 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 18:08:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001401c2082f$8b1e5060$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <3CF57C09.2C4E87F9@skyweb.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTM Update Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 18:12:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude If their antenna has a high angle of radiation it certainly would contribute to the problem. First I'd call WTIR and ask if they are dropping power. If they're not being cooperative, it wouldn't be a bad idea to find a consulting engineer in that area to measure their field intensity to verify if they do drop power. If not, call them again, if they still stonewall you, call Uncle Charlie. When you have conversations with them, take notes, or even record the conversation if your state laws allow. No reason you should have to put up with it if they're not obeying the law. BTW, what are you using for your EB signal's antenna? Is it diplexed into your other station's tower(s)? What I'm most curious about is what is the height in electrical degrees of your antenna at the EB freq? It could have a lot to do with your coverage. Best groundwave is an antenna that's 192 deg. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Newman" > all I know is that Im about 22 miles from my transmitter and all I hear > at night is WTIR down in winter garden,FLA.. like I was sitting in their > transmitter shack.. those guys don't seem to lower their Power at > sunset.. they have a Better signal up here than My own transmitter > Does... From amfmdx@fastq.com Thu May 30 16:13:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 30 May 2002 23:13:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 56765 invoked from network); 30 May 2002 23:13:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2002 23:13:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2002 23:13:44 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d151-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.183]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g4UNDgn25617 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 16:13:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <003701c2082f$a102de00$b7f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 3mp-is-back-in-stereo!!!!!! Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 16:13:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > great-news! > > after-18-months---3mp-is-back-in-stereo! Ian, What a tremendous and significant victory for AM stereo. Congratulations! I believe that your efforts are the sole reason that 3MP is in stereo again. We have saved KNX, in LA, started KMER, saved 3MP, at least kept the pilot on at KSUN and KUET. Its small victories in some cases but big ones in KMER and 3MP. This small group of people here have done much and we all deserve some congratulations. A toast to all! Kevin Mesa, Arizona From michaelj@vcn.com Thu May 30 16:20:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 30 May 2002 23:20:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 70088 invoked from network); 30 May 2002 23:20:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2002 23:20:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sodium.vcn.com) (209.193.72.7) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2002 23:20:06 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.44]) by sodium.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 17:20:06 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} 3mp-is-back-in-stereo!!!!!! Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 17:20:03 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <003701c2082f$a102de00$b7f9bed8@kredding430cdt> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll drink to th (*hic*) that! MJR -----Original Message----- From: kevin [mailto:amfmdx@fastq.com] Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 5:14 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 3mp-is-back-in-stereo!!!!!! > great-news! > > after-18-months---3mp-is-back-in-stereo! Ian, What a tremendous and significant victory for AM stereo. Congratulations! I believe that your efforts are the sole reason that 3MP is in stereo again. We have saved KNX, in LA, started KMER, saved 3MP, at least kept the pilot on at KSUN and KUET. Its small victories in some cases but big ones in KMER and 3MP. This small group of people here have done much and we all deserve some congratulations. A toast to all! Kevin Mesa, Arizona Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmdx@fastq.com Thu May 30 16:32:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 30 May 2002 23:32:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 89078 invoked from network); 30 May 2002 23:32:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2002 23:32:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2002 23:32:27 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d151-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.183]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g4UNWQn26082 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 16:32:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <00a901c20832$3e790220$b7f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} need list 50,000 watt AMstereo Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 16:32:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Dear all, I am brand new to this forum. Am looking for a list of > 50,000 clear channel stations broadcasting in AM stereo. KNX 1070 LA KFAQ 1170 Tulsa [ for now ] WBAP 820 Dallas Kevin Mesa, Arizona From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu May 30 16:41:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 30 May 2002 23:41:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 38346 invoked from network); 30 May 2002 23:41:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2002 23:41:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2002 23:41:30 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-118.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.118]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4UNdcIO020676 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 18:39:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <006001c20833$e14d77a0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} RE: Elevated Ground Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 18:44:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Considering most radial systems are buried, I don't think having them at the ground's surface is going to make that much difference. Ground conductivity here is also an 8, so you should have a respectable signal. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alfredo E. Torrejon" Could there be loss > problems due to the close proximity of the radials to the earth's surface? > According to my map of ground conductivity, the soil at the Burning Man > site is supposed to be about 8 millimhos/meter. > From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu May 30 16:44:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 30 May 2002 23:44:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 74989 invoked from network); 30 May 2002 23:44:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2002 23:44:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2002 23:44:15 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-118.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.118]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4UNgNIO021125 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 18:42:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <006601c20834$438c8780$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Elevated Ground Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 18:46:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude But if you go with Omni-tronix or EO, they won't have stereo and you'll need an external stereo generator. Plus BE and Nautel are more reliable. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip de Cadenet" > I spoke to the UK > rep for BE yesterday. He gets a whopping 15% commission on sales and > said he could pass some of this on should I buy one of their units > further down the road. It seems to be around $8K less expensive than an > equivalent Nautel but more expensive than either an Omni-tronix or > Energy Onix. From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu May 30 16:48:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 30 May 2002 23:48:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 96540 invoked from network); 30 May 2002 23:48:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2002 23:48:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2002 23:48:45 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-118.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.118]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4UNkrIO021910 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 18:46:54 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <006e01c20834$e45cbe00$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} need list 50,000 watt AMstereo Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 18:51:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude KOMA lost a huge number of FETS when the crystal in their stereo generator cracked and went way off freq. The transmitter was an early generation Nautel that didn't have all the protections on it the current ones do. The engineers there were too paranoid to hook it up again. Scott Todd PS thanks for the heads-up on KELO. I'll call them and ask if I can either have it or fix it for them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zyberfred" > Also i used to listen to KOMA 1520 in AM stereo, when did they turn > off their stereo pilot? And why? > KELO 1320 in Sioux Falls SD went off AM stereo because their stereo > exciter bit the dust and they did not want to spend the money to > repair it about 2 years ago. From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu May 30 16:49:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 30 May 2002 23:49:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 22709 invoked from network); 30 May 2002 23:49:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2002 23:49:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2002 23:49:51 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-118.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.118]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4UNlxIO022065 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 18:48:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <007401c20835$0bbe3960$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: need list 50,000 watt AMstereo Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 18:52:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Both have been mono for some time now- over a year, I think. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "wgnhim" > WBBM (780) should > be - but doesn't seem to always be in stereo. In Nashville, TN, WSM > (650) should be. From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu May 30 16:57:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 30 May 2002 23:57:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 96368 invoked from network); 30 May 2002 23:57:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2002 23:57:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2002 23:57:07 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-118.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.118]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4UNtFIO023329 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 18:55:17 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <007a01c20836$0fe1aee0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ground systems, conductivity, tower design etc. Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 18:59:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude You said the station was DA-2. Likely the null was over a populated area. Bandwidth is a function of the antenna tuning unit and/or phasor components, not the cross-section of the tower. If that were the case, KCJJ would sound like a telephone (tower face something on the order of 16".) The higher the L:C ratio, the narrower the tuning which lops off the higher audio sidebands. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "tubesareking" > The ground conductivity at the site was simply dreadful - extremely > rocky soil. Signal over the salt water was of course excellant. No > surprise! In its early years, the stations signal was pretty good by > day, dreadful at night. By 1978 or so, its perceived daytime signal > had deteriorated significantly. Modulation down? Poor tuning? OR - > a different ground system? > Second item - wideband v. narrow band towers. Old spouses' tale? Or > truth? I've heard that narrow band towers used in the 70s and before > do not adapt well to AM stereo, while wideband or broadband towers > work well. This was explained to me on the basis of cross sectional > width From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu May 30 16:59:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 30 May 2002 23:59:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 60760 invoked from network); 30 May 2002 23:59:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2002 23:59:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2002 23:59:00 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-118.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.118]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4UNv8IO023612 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 18:57:09 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <008001c20836$53316f00$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WTTM Update Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 19:01:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Except for one thing- WERA has been deleted. He'd have to do a whole new frequency study to activate that freq. again. IIRC, WERA was on 1590, which is a bit close in freq. to be diplexing to 1680. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "onemeridian" > > Hopefully your other problem will be alleviated (or eliminated > altogether) when the other station shuts down. Also, you could try > for simulcasting on both frequencies (WERA's & 1680); it's just a > curious suggestion of mine. > From smpoole7@bellsouth.net Thu May 30 17:20:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: smpoole7@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 31 May 2002 00:20:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 82647 invoked from network); 31 May 2002 00:20:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2002 00:20:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2002 00:20:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2002 00:20:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 00:20:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Ground systems, conductivity, tower design etc. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2649 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "professorpoole" X-Originating-IP: 209.214.105.144 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25309165 X-Yahoo-Profile: professorpoole You may not be an engineer, but you're basically on track! :) > By 1978 or so, its perceived daytime signal had deteriorated > significantly. Modulation down? Poor tuning? OR - > a different ground system? I have heard of so called AM dipole > arrays ... Here is my general concern about these alternative antennas. Getting a good field strength indication near the tower isn't that big of a deal; if you do it right, a piece of wire will give you a decent reading 1 mile away. But to put a good signal 10 or 20 miles down the road, you're going to need a strong groundwave. You can't cheat physics. There's a reason why broadcasters adopted straight-up vertical radiators with radial ground systems: they simply worked better, generating a stronger ground wave and thus, a more powerful signal over distance. This is why AM can do well in mountainous regions that might kill FM signals; a strong AM groundwave can literally follow the curve of the earth. > I've heard that narrow band towers used in the 70s and > before do not adapt well to AM stereo, while wideband > or broadband towers work well. There's some truth to that, but in general, a tower that's so narrowband that it seriously boxes up the CQUAM signal would sound like a hammered turd on a mono signal, too. :) Of course, many broadcasters in the 60's and 70's didn't care -- but that's a long, sad story. We blame receivers for being narrowband -- with reason, don't get me wrong! -- but the sad truth is, those broadcasters who radiated crummy, bassy signals in the 60's and 70's are at least partly to blame, too. Long, long story. For example, the loudness wars didn't help. The old tube transmitters were not DESIGNED for dense modulation; they expected some "breathing room" on the modulator tubes. When broadcasters started heavily processing the audio on these old boxes, the modulators simply couldn't handle the load. Like I said, it's a long story. Sad, too. > This was explained to me on the basis of cross sectional > width - the narrower the tower, the narrower the bandwidth. System design counts, too -- if you have a narrowband transmitter, or phaser or ATU at the tower, you're going to take a hit, regardless of the tower. There are ways to broadband towers; one quick and dirty method is just to hang a unipole on it (though these have drawbacks, too). > using two 430 foot high towers [1/4 wavelength on 580], with a > lovely 25kw Nautel and has steadily broadcast CQUAM ever since. I'll bet that DOES sound good. > I pose this information - possibly misinformation It's not misinformation. You're well informed. :) From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu May 30 18:17:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 31 May 2002 01:17:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 80390 invoked from network); 31 May 2002 01:17:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2002 01:17:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2002 01:17:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2002 01:17:42 -0000 Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 01:17:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: WTTM Update Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008001c20836$53316f00$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1026 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > IIRC, WERA was on 1590, which is a bit close in freq. to be > diplexing to 1680. For a while, the first Expanded Band station in the USA (WJDM in Elizabeth, NJ) was diplexing 1530 and 1660 kHz off the same tower. Also, 1590 WERA was purposely taken off the air to make room for neighboring 1600 WWRL to upgrade to 25,000 watts daytime. If WERA were to be reincarnated, it would probably have to be on 1580 kHz. WERA was thinking about moving down to 1580 kHz when they were still on the air, but the station's owner saw the large buyout check from WWRL as opposed to dwindling benefits from keeping the station on the air, so they sold out and WERA went dark in February 1997. Still, it is possible that WERA could come back on the air in some form or another... there was another station in Connecticut, 1590 WQQW, that went dark before 1600 WWRL's signal upgrade. But somehow they are now miraculously back on the air as WWWN, still on 1590 kHz but in a different location to be farther away from WWRL. From dav259@csiro.au Thu May 30 18:41:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 31 May 2002 01:41:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 288 invoked from network); 31 May 2002 01:41:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2002 01:41:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2002 01:41:27 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA10865 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 11:41:25 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 11:41:25 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: Stereo 3MP sounds Magic Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Yo! Most of 3MP's commercials, station promos, and the news theme are all in stereo. It sounds great. We must never lose the faith! Ian (and work has given me a seemingly decent used keyboard - aint life wonderful?) From n0uiheric@aol.com Thu May 30 19:26:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 31 May 2002 02:26:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 23822 invoked from network); 31 May 2002 02:26:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2002 02:26:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r07.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.103) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2002 02:26:02 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.1a2.30a507e (3866) for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 22:25:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1a2.30a507e.2a283935@aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 22:25:57 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: need list 50,000 watt AMstereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih I know one 50,000-watt AM that SHOULD BE in AM Stereo...KAAY 1090 Little Rock, AR. They carry blocks of Southern Gospel music; prime candidate for AM Stereo. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu May 30 19:42:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 31 May 2002 02:42:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 5947 invoked from network); 31 May 2002 02:42:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2002 02:42:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2002 02:42:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2002 02:42:01 -0000 Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 02:41:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Stereo 3MP sounds Magic Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 882 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Most of 3MP's commercials, station promos, and the news theme are > all in stereo. This also brings up the point that there are probably quite a few AM stations that are 100% produced in Stereo -- music, liners, IDs, commercials, etc. -- but for whatever reason, are only broadcast in Mono, whether it be due to a broken, turned off, or nonexistent Stereo STL or C-Quam exciter. I can name several examples of this, and Alex K. has a story of one on his web site as well. In other words, it's like producing everything at a TV station to be in Color, but only broadcasting it in Black & White. So, 3MP was probably being produced in STEREO all the time... but for that long period, due to alleged problems with their STL, they were only broadcasting Mono audio.... and if you wanted to hear that "hidden" Stereo sound during that time, you had to be in their studio. From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Thu May 30 19:58:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 31 May 2002 02:58:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 78700 invoked from network); 31 May 2002 02:58:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2002 02:58:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2002 02:58:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2002 02:58:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 02:58:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: need list 50,000 watt AMstereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1a2.30a507e.2a283935@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 229 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 141.157.198.214 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio WPTR 1540 from Albany is stereo (although directional). You can catch them in CT and Long Island at night. Their signal over New Hampshire, VT and Maine at night should be very good based on their pattern to the North East. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu May 30 21:03:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 31 May 2002 04:03:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 64651 invoked from network); 31 May 2002 04:03:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2002 04:03:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11708.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2002 04:03:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20020531040359.59553.qmail@web11708.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.33.103] by web11708.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 30 May 2002 21:03:59 PDT Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 21:03:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: need list 50,000 watt AMstereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio WPTR/1540 comes in here with very little fading. Also, so does WLGZ/990 even though they are 2,500 Watts. 73, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From groucho@skyweb.net Thu May 30 21:21:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 31 May 2002 04:21:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 55603 invoked from network); 31 May 2002 04:21:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2002 04:21:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2002 04:21:39 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g4V4LiVc080287 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 00:21:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3CF6FA74.F3C668DE@skyweb.net> Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 00:22:14 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WTTM Update References: From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit wont Be able to use the WERA Freq. because of WWRL But was thinking that its antenna system on 1590 is easier to load up on 1680 then the present antenna which is at 1350... its just a thought.. can you Send me a written signal report.. glad to hear there is a south Asian population down that way... Im still trying to locate other Towns within My PA Coverage area.. BTW IM Not South Asian.. Neal Newman Chief Engineer/GM WTTM 1680 am Princeton,NJ studios 456 Middlesex Avenue Metuchen,NJ 08840 onemeridian wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@y..., Neal Newman wrote: > > Hi Russ > > Yes WTTM transmitter is in the corner of Princeton,Hopewell area > > and the studios are in Metuchen. > > I hope WTTM NEVER goes to Linenwold that would destroy My market > > demographics. Im actually trying to get hold of the last owner of > WERA > > and try to make a deal so WTTM can actually move to the WERA site. > From > > what I Understand. a Developer wants to Buy the land(7 acres) and > build > > Townhouses. The Township Of Plainfield does not want the town > houses. so > > I may get lucky. if I propose to them to Re-light up a Radiostation > In > > Plainfield.. If It goes the Way I would Like and My boss's agree > with > > Me. then the transmitter would Be only 3 Miles from the studio > instead > > Of 20 miles and it would also Cover My market demographics better > where > > the South Asian Population is actually located.. > > I get so many complaints from our listeners that they cannot hear > the > > station well. from Princeton.. that 20 miles makes a huge > difference.. > > NOW as for Shel and Donn WTIR may Be within 300 Miles of you guys. > but > > its almost 1200 miles from Me,and has a Better signal at Night than > My > > own station. > > I just wonder If you guys down there can hear My Hindi Music at > Night or > > is it a 1 propagation If its Only a 1 way then something is not > right > > and I cannot Believe its atmospherics because they are just > slamming Me > > here. and Im listening On a cheap radio shack car radio in my van > In the > > driveway. no special radio or antenna system. > > ,and Shel.. NO I Don't run DX tests at 10 kW at night... Because > of the > > antenna being diplexed there is a small problem .when the other > station > > switches its pattern off of our shared antenna my transmitters > > modulation Envelope goes nuts at 10 kW. I found this after finding > a few > > status Lights on my amp modules were Lit up indicating Blown > fuses.and > > received alarms.. I was their when I saw it happen...I noticed that > they > > switch off an hour earlier than sunset. about 6pm. so at 6 pm I > reduce > > power down to 8 kW then at 7:15pm I reduce to 1 kW. so far there > have > > been no more Fuses blown I love my Harris transmitter Easy to work > > On... LOL > > I guess they didn't have this Problem when Both stations were On > the > > same Controller. it would switch and reduce both stations at the > same > > time ,But because both are now On separate controllers with > Different > > Clocks. this was my solution. > > I hope in January when the other station Goes Dark. This problem > will > > go away when we are the only ones on the Tower. > > Neal > > > > > Actually, WTTM's signal is good here (day or night)in Lansdale, PA. > This is northwest of Philadelphia. Lansdale has a pretty large > South Asian population as well, & reception here is clear. > > > Hopefully your other problem will be alleviated (or eliminated > altogether) when the other station shuts down. Also, you could try > for simulcasting on both frequencies (WERA's & 1680); it's just a > curious suggestion of mine. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Thu May 30 21:26:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 31 May 2002 04:26:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 45434 invoked from network); 31 May 2002 04:26:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2002 04:26:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2002 04:26:16 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g4V4QXVc080815 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 00:26:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3CF6FB97.B65532C5@skyweb.net> Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 00:27:04 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WTTM Update References: From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey Tony I do have a Loop antenna On My receiver in the house a cheap one LOL.... speaking of Loop antennas anyone have a good Cheap loop antenna design that I could use for some of my listeners to Build( actually I have Built about a dozen Hula hoop Loop antennas and they work great..) Neal-KA2CAF. onemeridian wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@y..., Neal Newman wrote: > > Hi guys > > I received a phone call from Verizon today. to verify that they are > > > working On installing my second feed... they said it would Be a > little > > longer than the normal 30days...because of the Holidays.. they will > try > > to get it in Before the 4th of july. > > I sure hope so..I cannot wait to be Full Stereo to hear what you > guys > > are talking about... > > all I know is that Im about 22 miles from my transmitter and all I > hear > > at night is WTIR down in winter garden,FLA.. like I was sitting in > their > > transmitter shack.. those guys don't seem to lower their Power at > > sunset.. they have a Better signal up here than My own transmitter > > Does... > > Makes me want to Keep My power up ,but Im a good Engineer and Do > > lower to my 1 Kw at sunset... > > Neal > > . > > > Try the RadioShack AM loop antenna. I bought one & it does make > quite a difference. They are normally $29.95. > > > > Tony > KA3SVT > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu May 30 21:39:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 31 May 2002 04:39:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 13575 invoked from network); 31 May 2002 04:39:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2002 04:39:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14205.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.151) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2002 04:39:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20020531043918.50813.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.190] by web14205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 30 May 2002 21:39:18 PDT Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 21:39:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 3MP & 50KW's To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio IAN - 3MP in stereo - great news! Regarding 50KW's currently in stereo: 720 WGN, 760 WJR, 820 WBAP, 890 WLS, and 1210 WPHT. We are hoping that these recent shut-offs will return to AMS and these guys will TURN IT BACK ON: 650 WSM, 660 WFAN, 1030 WBZ (plus formers CKLW, WCCO, WHAS, CFRB, KMOX, and 1560 NYC). Long-live AM Stereo! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dav259@csiro.au Thu May 30 21:43:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 31 May 2002 04:43:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 52270 invoked from network); 31 May 2002 04:43:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2002 04:43:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2002 04:43:03 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11491 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 14:43:00 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 14:43:00 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 3mp-is-back-in-stereo!!!!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Thu, 30 May 2002, kevtronics wrote: > > (my-bad-news-is-that-i've-been-having-keyboard-troubles-at-home-and > > -today-brought-home-a-disused-keyboard-where-the-space-bar-doesn't > > -work-amongst-other-things-but-at-least-i-can-write-pigeon-english) > > If you're using a PC and the space bar doesn't work, to get a space on > your screen, hold down Alt as you type 32 on the numeric keypad. That > generates the space symbol without having to use the space bar. > > You can actually do this for any character. Just look up its ASCII > code, and type that on the keypad (not on the numbers across the > letter keys) while holding down Alt. For example, uppercase "A" is > ASCII code 65, so to get an "A" if your A key is broken, type Alt-65. > Just make sure Num Lock is turned on first! Kevin - I started by putting a space character in memory and pressed SHIFT-INSERT (less strokes than ALT-65) between words - but even that was driving me crazy. btw way the British Pound sign is ALT-156 and the Yen sign ALT-157 - they still come in handy. Does anyone know what the new Euro sign is? We now return you to your normal programming ... From groucho@skyweb.net Thu May 30 21:53:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 31 May 2002 04:53:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 41203 invoked from network); 31 May 2002 04:53:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2002 04:53:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2002 04:52:59 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g4V4rAVc083520 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 00:53:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3CF701D3.AD2CD944@skyweb.net> Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 00:53:40 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 3MP & 50KW's References: <20020531043918.50813.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WOW WPHT is in stereo.... I didn't know that.. Im friends with the CE down there.. Looks like Ill have to Give Dave a call...... Very Cool Neal Johnny Electron wrote: > IAN - 3MP in stereo - great news! > > Regarding 50KW's currently in stereo: 720 WGN, 760 WJR, 820 WBAP, 890 > WLS, and 1210 WPHT. > We are hoping that these recent shut-offs will return to AMS and > these guys will TURN IT BACK ON: 650 WSM, 660 WFAN, 1030 WBZ (plus > formers CKLW, WCCO, WHAS, CFRB, KMOX, and 1560 NYC). > > Long-live AM Stereo! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Thu May 30 22:12:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 31 May 2002 05:12:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 96969 invoked from network); 31 May 2002 05:12:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2002 05:12:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2002 05:12:14 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g4V5CLVc085490 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 01:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3CF70652.9EAB6C54@skyweb.net> Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 01:12:52 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTM Update References: <3CF57C09.2C4E87F9@skyweb.net> <001401c2082f$8b1e5060$d3a9fea9@me> From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit that explains alot to me.. My antennas Electrical height is 110.70 is shared with a station on 1350 with an Electrical Height of 89.0 and WTIR is at 175.10 Neal Scott Todd wrote: > If their antenna has a high angle of radiation it certainly would > contribute > to the problem. First I'd call WTIR and ask if they are dropping > power. If > they're not being cooperative, it wouldn't be a bad idea to find a > consulting engineer in that area to measure their field intensity to > verify > if they do drop power. If not, call them again, if they still > stonewall > you, call Uncle Charlie. When you have conversations with them, take > notes, > or even record the conversation if your state laws allow. No reason > you > should have to put up with it if they're not obeying the law. > > BTW, what are you using for your EB signal's antenna? Is it diplexed > into > your other station's tower(s)? What I'm most curious about is what is > the > height in electrical degrees of your antenna at the EB freq? It could > have > a lot to do with your coverage. Best groundwave is an antenna that's > 192 > deg. > > ST > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Neal Newman" > > > all I know is that Im about 22 miles from my transmitter and all I > hear > > at night is WTIR down in winter garden,FLA.. like I was sitting in > their > > transmitter shack.. those guys don't seem to lower their Power at > > sunset.. they have a Better signal up here than My own transmitter > > Does... > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmdx@fastq.com Thu May 30 23:05:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 31 May 2002 06:05:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 4129 invoked from network); 31 May 2002 06:05:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2002 06:05:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2002 06:05:11 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d218-osel.phx.fastq.com [207.173.146.79]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g4V65An32998 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 23:05:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <007f01c20869$1b12cb40$4f92adcf@kredding430cdt> To: References: <20020531043918.50813.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} 3MP & 50KW's Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 23:05:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Regarding 50KW's currently in stereo: 720 WGN, 760 WJR, 820 WBAP, 890 > WLS, and 1210 WPHT. I forgot one with Classic Country, KGYN 1210 in Guymon, OK. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From dav259@csiro.au Fri May 31 01:51:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 31 May 2002 08:51:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 26757 invoked from network); 31 May 2002 08:51:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2002 08:51:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2002 08:51:51 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12305; Fri, 31 May 2002 18:51:46 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 18:51:46 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Cc: Subject: 3MP's signal (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public message below ... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 19:52:16 -0500 From: Bob Green To: feedback@3ak.com.au Subject: 3MP's signal Dear Sir, There was a letter in The Green Guide saying that 3AK now owns 3MP. We have been loyal 3MP liteners for many years and always enjoyed the stereo reception. The letter was right about the stereo. We haven't heard 3MP in stereo now for a long time so we usually listen to Magic693. Is there somewhere we should write to to get this 3MP stereo problem fixed? We still like the music but very much miss the stereo. Yours faithfully, Bob Green ============================== Bob & Beryl Green 9 Golden Grove Port Arlington, Victoria, 3223 ============================== Hey - I've got a working keyboard!!!! Thanks to many of you for writing to the new owners of 3MP last December. Every message helped! Now it may be time to say thanks. To those of you who wrote to Jeff Chatfield at 3AK/3MP maybe you could check you outwards mailbox and just write one or two nice lines thanking the team. A little thankyou goes a long way (but don't go overboard!). To those who didn't write in December maybe you could send a message to 3MP's new feedback line - easymusic@3mp.com.au - and thank them for returning the stereo which you missed. If you are well off - sign off as Kit (where are you Kit?) from Brighton, Toorak or South Yarra. If you are poor sign off with Sunshine, Clayton, or Dandenong. If you are middle of the road sign off with Fitzroy, Chadstone, or St. Kilda. Thanks! for all your help. We are small in numbers - but large in spirit. Ian Melbourne From zyberfred@yahoo.com Fri May 31 11:41:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: zyberfred@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 31 May 2002 18:41:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 66182 invoked from network); 31 May 2002 18:41:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2002 18:41:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2002 18:41:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2002 18:41:00 -0000 Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 18:41:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: KELO 1320 was stereo Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 644 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Zyberfred" X-Originating-IP: 67.251.196.36 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=9445783 X-Yahoo-Profile: Zyberfred Thanks for the 50,000 stations listings. KELO in Sioux Falls was on AM stereo some years ago. Their exciter bit the dust, then they consolidated some other radio stations in their building and needed the extra microwave channel to feed audio to the transmitter sites. So they have no plans to go back to stereo, also they are all talk now. i got this from their cheif enginner Rex who is also a ham like many of us. Also are there any short wave stations using stereo? There should be, except i do not know if they can go beyoung the 5 Khz bandwidth, where AM has 1o Khz bandwidth. 73s and many thanks fred WA0PBL Sioux Falls, SD From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri May 31 13:21:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 31 May 2002 20:21:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 26793 invoked from network); 31 May 2002 20:21:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2002 20:21:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2002 20:21:28 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-219.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.219]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4VKJZIO019725 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 15:19:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002a01c208e1$1b8bb640$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 3mp-is-back-in-stereo!!!!!! Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 15:24:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude So where can I get a list of all the various characters? Sometimes have to QSL scandinavian countries. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Davidson" > > btw way the British Pound sign is ALT-156 and the Yen > sign ALT-157 - they still come in handy. Does anyone know what the > new Euro sign is? From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri May 31 13:26:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 31 May 2002 20:26:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 92222 invoked from network); 31 May 2002 20:26:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2002 20:26:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2002 20:26:15 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-219.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.219]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4VKOMIO020506 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 15:24:23 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003401c208e1$c691c160$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <3CF57C09.2C4E87F9@skyweb.net> <001401c2082f$8b1e5060$d3a9fea9@me> <3CF70652.9EAB6C54@skyweb.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTM Update Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 15:28:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude At 175 deg., that's close to a half-wave, which means they probably have a decent groundwave, but not only that, when the signal does skip, it does so at a much lower angle, so the hops between the ionosphere and the earth are fewer and longer, which means close in DXers can't hear it, but those far off can, and in your case all too well. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Newman" To: Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 12:12 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTM Update > that explains alot to me.. > My antennas Electrical height is 110.70 > is shared with a station on 1350 with an Electrical Height of 89.0 > and WTIR is at 175.10 > Neal From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri May 31 13:32:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 31 May 2002 20:32:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 96328 invoked from network); 31 May 2002 20:32:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2002 20:32:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2002 20:32:18 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-219.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.219]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4VKUPIO021667 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 15:30:26 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004001c208e2$9ef850a0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} KELO 1320 was stereo Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 15:34:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Not that I know of. BTW, do you have an email address for your friend Rex? That would be the easiest way to get a hold of him. Scott Todd N0BST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zyberfred" > Also are there any short wave stations using stereo? There should > be, except i do not know if they can go beyoung the 5 Khz bandwidth, > where AM has 1o Khz bandwidth. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri May 31 13:45:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 31 May 2002 20:45:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 22355 invoked from network); 31 May 2002 20:45:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2002 20:45:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2002 20:45:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2002 20:45:19 -0000 Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 20:45:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WTTM Update Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3CF6FB97.B65532C5@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3134 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.46 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Neal, part of the reason why distant signals (including WTIR) are drowning out local WTTM at night on 1680 kHz is because of the way groundwave and skywave signals work. The local signal from WTTM you are getting is a groundwave signal. The higher the frequency, the less distance groundwave signals can travel at an equal output power. So, a 1000 watt groundwave signal on 1680 kHz is not going to travel nearly as far as a 1000 watt groundwave signal on 540 kHz. I believe you said you live about 22 miles away from WTTM's transmitter, and at that distance, you are not going to get good groundwave reception of WTTM even if there were no other stations on the same frequency. As for skywave AM signals, as everybody here probably knows, they bounce off an upper layer of the atmosphere at night and because of this, they can be heard hundreds or even thousands of miles away. Also, the efficiency of skywave propagation increases with frequency, up to a certain point. So, as the opposite to groundwave, a skywave signal on 1680 kHz is going to be much stronger than one on 540 kHz. Thus, if you have a relatively strong skywave signal on 1680 kHz -- even one from over 1000 miles away -- it doesn't take much for it to drown out a local groundwave signal on the same frequency. This is also the cause of the "dead zone" effect where listeners about 20 to 250 miles away from WTIR in Florida may not be able to hear the signal at all, but WTIR's signal may come booming in at distances 500 to 1000+ miles away from their transmitter. The "dead zone" is where WTIR's signal is up bouncing off the upper atmosphere and is simply too far up in the sky to be heard down on Earth (and too far away from WTIR to hear the groundwave). I still wonder whether the FCC really thought things out when setting up station allocations in the Expanded Band. The problem is simply that these frequencies start acting more like the Shortwave band and at night, you have the problems like yours with distant signals wiping out local signals. Some times I have heard WJNZ 1680 AM Stereo from Michigan completely drown out WTTM here in NJ, and that's with WJNZ running only about 680 watts at night. This is not unexpected considering that in the nearby "160 meter" ham radio band at 1800 to 2000 kHz, amateur radio operators are limited to 250 watts (I think, because 160M is "shared" with other radio services) and yet their signals have no trouble being heard thousands of miles away when conditions are good. Perhaps we could have "expanded" the AM band in the other direction (down below 530 kHz), which would pretty much eliminate these nighttime reception problems, but then we'd have trouble with stations needing large antennas (for the long wavelengths involved) and issues with the power line interference that is often the strongest on the bottom end of the AM band. Nevertheless, Europe and Asia continue to use the Longwave (150-280 kHz) broadcasting band with generally good results, especially with their super-power transmitters -- anywhere from 500,000 to 2,500,000 watts!! From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri May 31 13:48:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 31 May 2002 20:48:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 20163 invoked from network); 31 May 2002 20:48:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2002 20:48:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2002 20:48:56 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-219.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.219]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4VKl3IO024529 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 15:47:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004c01c208e4$f1c0b820$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020530165246.3624.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Monopoly in radio, tickets, etc? Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 15:51:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Actually this comes as an encouraging story. Glad to know so many are onto them. I don't often agree with Russ Feingold, but there's no denying something needs to be done. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnny Electron" To: Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 11:52 AM Subject: {AMSF} Monopoly in radio, tickets, etc? > A monopoly in Radio and Music - no way? Read it and weep: > > http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/showcase/chi-0205230238may23.story?co ll=chi > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri May 31 13:58:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 31 May 2002 20:58:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 55532 invoked from network); 31 May 2002 20:58:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2002 20:58:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2002 20:58:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2002 20:58:27 -0000 Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 20:58:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 3MP & 50KW's Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007f01c20869$1b12cb40$4f92adcf@kredding430cdt> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 772 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.46 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics >> Regarding 50KW's currently in stereo: 720 WGN, 760 WJR, 820 WBAP, >> 890 WLS, and 1210 WPHT. > I forgot one with Classic Country, KGYN 1210 in Guymon, OK. Remember there are more 50,000 watt AM stations than just those with a "Class A" (formerly "Class I-A" and "Class I-B") signal. There are also Class B stations like WPTR 1540 AM Stereo in Albany, NY which are full-time 50,000 watts. I suppose we could also include stations which are 50,000 watts during the day but a lower power at night (or even daytime-only). I don't have an AM Stereo example of this off the top of my head but I do know 640 WWJZ (mono) which is 50,000 watts daytime at 950 watts at night! Also near Philadelphia is 1540 WNWR (mono) which is a 50,000 watt daytime-only station. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri May 31 14:06:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 31 May 2002 21:06:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 87932 invoked from network); 31 May 2002 21:06:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2002 21:06:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11706.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2002 21:06:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20020531210647.48173.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.33.103] by web11706.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 31 May 2002 14:06:47 PDT Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 14:06:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 3mp-is-back-in-stereo!!!!!! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <002a01c208e1$1b8bb640$d3a9fea9@me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio What is the code for a zero with a line through it? By the way, some Oriental characters are accessed by hitting ALT-9-0-0-0-0. I got up to ALT-9-3-0-0-0 but only on Word. There're my 2¢. (ALT-1-5-5) Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From michaelj@vcn.com Fri May 31 14:31:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 31 May 2002 21:31:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 77970 invoked from network); 31 May 2002 21:31:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2002 21:31:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sodium.vcn.com) (209.193.72.7) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2002 21:31:05 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.11]) by sodium.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 15:31:05 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: 3mp-is-back-in-stereo!!!!!! Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 15:31:03 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20020531210647.48173.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Gentlemen.... I'm sure we all have Windows. Well most of us do anyway. If you use the "character map" utility that's built in to Windows you can see all the different special characters associated with just about any font. At the bottom it will also show how to get that character using an ascii code (alt + keys)if it's available. Some of those special characters (like Jay's O that he was looking for) are not available with an alt+key function. You can still copy them to the clipboard from character map, then paste it to whatever....which is what I just did above for the O . Anyhoo....sorry for the rambling. Back to AM STEREO :) MJR -----Original Message----- From: JNR [mailto:a1asurfradio@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 3:07 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 3mp-is-back-in-stereo!!!!!! What is the code for a zero with a line through it? By the way, some Oriental characters are accessed by hitting ALT-9-0-0-0-0. I got up to ALT-9-3-0-0-0 but only on Word. There're my 2". (ALT-1-5-5) Jay From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri May 31 14:42:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 31 May 2002 21:42:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 78069 invoked from network); 31 May 2002 21:42:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2002 21:42:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2002 21:42:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2002 21:42:45 -0000 Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 21:42:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 3mp-is-back-in-stereo!!!!!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002a01c208e1$1b8bb640$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 986 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.46 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > So where can I get a list of all the various characters? Sometimes > have to QSL scandinavian countries. If you are running WINDOWS, you can use the "Character Map". Select File/Run... or Start/Run... and then type CHARMAP and press Enter. DOS users can consult this chart: http://rvcc2.raritanval.edu/ktek9053/doschars.gif Type the listed number on the numeric keypad while holding down Alt (you may need to turn on Num Lock first). Note that if you generate a file in DOS using these characters and then want to use this file in Windows, you will have to switch to the "Terminal" font. MACINTOSH users can use the "Key Caps" desk accessory. Hold down Option or Shift+Option and it will show you what special characters your keyboard can generate. Some are a two-step process: type the Option+key or Shift+Option+key to get an accent mark and then type the letter you want to put this accent mark onto. I'm not sure exactly how LINUX handles special characters. From davidcoons@webtv.net Fri May 31 16:58:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: davidcoons@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 31 May 2002 23:58:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 70135 invoked from network); 31 May 2002 23:58:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2002 23:58:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net) (209.240.198.119) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2002 23:58:50 -0000 Received: from storefull-2318.public.lawson.webtv.net (storefull-2318.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.212.226]) by mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id DA4143D4 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 16:58:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-2318.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id QAA08198; Fri, 31 May 2002 16:58:50 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQqyoRzWjuxj2yMyV4h1EATjAO/3wIVAMaK3mxaf0X7jOKvpGkN6BlivxAn Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 19:58:50 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: need list 50,000 watt AMstereo Message-ID: <4888-3CF80E3A-2177@storefull-2318.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "wgliradio" 's message of Fri, 31 May 2002 02:58:51 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-From: davidcoons@webtv.net (David Coons) From: davidcoons@webtv.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10533228 having lived in so.new hampshire,I can atest that wptr 1540 is often very good at night From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Fri May 31 17:12:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 1 Jun 2002 00:12:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 89673 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2002 00:12:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2002 00:12:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2002 00:12:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2002 00:12:06 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 00:12:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 3mp-is-back-in-stereo!!!!!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 365 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" X-Originating-IP: 217.148.40.105 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > > So where can I get a list of all the various characters? Sometimes > > have to QSL scandinavian countries. > > If you are running WINDOWS, you can use the "Character Map". Select > File/Run... or Start/Run... and then type CHARMAP and press Enter. > Not in Windows ME, have'nt tried XP From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri May 31 18:55:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 1 Jun 2002 01:55:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 22583 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2002 01:55:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2002 01:55:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2002 01:55:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2002 01:55:48 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 01:55:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: computer stuff (was 3mp-is-back-in-stereo!!!!!!) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 807 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.81.128 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Some of those special characters (like Jay's O that he was looking > for) are not available with an alt+key function. Actually, you can get an O with a / through it in most Windows fonts by typing Alt+0216. There is also a lowercase version at Alt+0248. Many computers used to print the Zero numeral (0) with a slash through it to distinguish it from an uppercase oh (O), but that has fallen out of fashion, and Windows no longer does this. In many fonts, it is also impossible to distinguish a One numeral (1) from a lowercase ell (l)! (Not to mention an uppercase I looking like a lowercase ell... making words like "Illegible" or "Illuminate" look quite funny.) Say what you want about plain old text mode DOS, but at least with it, you can actually *read* the bloody text on the screen! From dav259@csiro.au Fri May 31 20:20:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 1 Jun 2002 03:20:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 5845 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2002 03:20:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2002 03:20:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2002 03:20:47 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14938 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 13:20:45 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 13:20:45 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 3mp-is-back-in-stereo!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <002a01c208e1$1b8bb640$d3a9fea9@me> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Scott - just ring Rita (that's what I do) - just dial 61 3 9545 8500 and ask for Rita - but display a little Minnesota charm - she can be a bit snappy if rubbed the wrong way. :) (Hey - I'll see if she can find it within herself to give me the list.) ... and thanks for your help!! Your e-mail to Peter Smerdon (chief engineer at 3AK/3MP) and my messages to the CEO, sending copies to Peter, may have moved the priority of getting 3MP back in stereo way up on Peter's 'things to do' list. I salute you! Ian _______________________________________ On Fri, 31 May 2002, Scott Todd wrote: > So where can I get a list of all the various characters? Sometimes have to > QSL scandinavian countries. > > ST > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ian Davidson" > > > > > btw way the British Pound sign is ALT-156 and the Yen > > sign ALT-157 - they still come in handy. Does anyone know what the > > new Euro sign is? > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ian Davidson _--_|\ CSIRO Minerals / \ tel +61 3 9545 8717 Box 312, Clayton South \_.--.*/ fax +61 3 9562 8919 Victoria, Australia 3169 v ian.davidson@csiro.au ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From dav259@csiro.au Fri May 31 20:37:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 1 Jun 2002 03:37:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 59211 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2002 03:37:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2002 03:37:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2002 03:37:28 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14973 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 13:37:26 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 13:37:26 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: computer stuff (was 3mp-is-back-in-stereo!!!!!!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Sat, 1 Jun 2002, kevtronics wrote: > > Some of those special characters (like Jay's O that he was looking > > for) are not available with an alt+key function. Hey - I am thinking about starting a new discussion group. "The International Alliance for the Advancement of Ascii Symbols" any takers??? Ian IAAAS Network News Melbourne :) From shelswartz@yahoo.com Fri May 31 21:06:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: shelswartz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 1 Jun 2002 04:06:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 87078 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2002 04:06:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2002 04:06:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14909.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.225.61) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2002 04:06:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20020601040613.88138.qmail@web14909.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.86.172.253] by web14909.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 31 May 2002 21:06:13 PDT Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 21:06:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: computer stuff (was 3mp-is-back-in-stereo!!!!!!) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Shel Swartz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91652391 X-Yahoo-Profile: shelswartz Excuse me, but how is this rlated to AM Stereo? Have I missed something? --- kevtronics wrote: > > Some of those special characters (like Jay's O > that he was looking > > for) are not available with an alt+key function. > > Actually, you can get an O with a / through it in > most Windows fonts > by typing Alt+0216. There is also a lowercase > version at Alt+0248. > > Many computers used to print the Zero numeral (0) > with a slash through > it to distinguish it from an uppercase oh (O), but > that has fallen out > of fashion, and Windows no longer does this. In > many fonts, it is > also impossible to distinguish a One numeral (1) > from a lowercase ell > (l)! (Not to mention an uppercase I looking like a > lowercase ell... > making words like "Illegible" or "Illuminate" look > quite funny.) > > Say what you want about plain old text mode DOS, but > at least with it, > you can actually *read* the bloody text on the > screen! > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri May 31 21:48:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 1 Jun 2002 04:48:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 26689 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2002 04:48:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2002 04:48:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2002 04:48:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2002 04:48:47 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 04:48:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: computer stuff (was 3mp-is-back-in-stereo!!!!!!) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 827 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.81.128 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Hey - I am thinking about starting a new discussion group. > "The International Alliance for the Advancement of Ascii Symbols" > any takers??? It would be a grand oxymoron because ASCII stands for "AMERICAN Standard Code for Information Interchange". Not unlike those who use "AOL" ("AMERICA Online") in countries outside of North America. Also, Windows and Unix (and most likely Macintosh as well) don't use ASCII anymore. They use "UniCode", which in its latest version contains something like 95,000 characters, including Hebrew, Greek, Cyrillic, Arabic, and over 20,000 Asian pictograms (Chinese, Japanese, Korean, etc.). The perfect character set for the New World Order! p.s. I would also support the creation of "The International Alliance for the Advancement of Annoyingly Ambiguous Acronyms" (IAAAAA)! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri May 31 22:09:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 1 Jun 2002 05:09:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 40729 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2002 05:09:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2002 05:09:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2002 05:09:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2002 05:09:48 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 05:09:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: thread drift (was 3mp-is-back-in-stereo!!!!!!) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020601040613.88138.qmail@web14909.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 955 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.81.128 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Excuse me, but how is this rlated to AM Stereo? Have I missed > something? Yes, this is an AM STEREO Forum, but we do get a bit off-topic at times. And unlike former discussion groups for AM Stereo, this one does allow off-topic discussions as long as they don't get too out of hand. If you're new to this group, we were just talking about how one of Australia's leading AM stations, 3MP in Melbourne, is now back in full STEREO sound after many months of transmitting in plain Mono. The thread drift started when the space bar on Ian's computer keyboard broke and we were discussing ways to get around that problem until a fully working keyboard could be obtained. So, I suppose it is time to drift back towards AM Stereo.... although for all we know, the real reason of 3MP's lack of Stereo for all that time could be a malfunctioning space bar on the Timex Sinclair that they use to tell the transmitter to work in Stereo mode. :-) From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri May 31 22:16:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 1 Jun 2002 05:16:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 41868 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2002 05:16:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2002 05:16:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14201.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.143) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2002 05:16:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20020601051616.43481.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.190] by web14201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 31 May 2002 22:16:16 PDT Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 22:16:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Hello Out There... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Chris Cuff: you still out there building radios? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From dav259@csiro.au Sat Jun 01 00:55:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 1 Jun 2002 07:55:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 66391 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2002 07:55:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2002 07:55:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2002 07:55:38 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15469; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 17:55:35 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 17:55:35 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Cc: , Steve Dinius Subject: Free to good home - 3MP Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public If anyone would like a cassette of stereo 3MP just let me know. It's rating badly at the moment and any publicity helps. Same deal as with the Magic 693 tapes - the only thing I ask is that when they go mono - for one reason or another - you will guarrantee to write and complain. I can't do Jukebox Saturday Night tonight as I'll be watching our Collingwood Magpies thump the Sydney Swans - according to The Age all that should be left is a pile of Swan's feathers. Aussie Rules Football in Victoria, South Australia, Western Australia, and Tasmania is our religion here - and AM stereo comes in a very distant second. Hey Johnny - how are the Toledo Mud Hens going? Just give me some time. Rome wasn't built in a day. And a bird in the hand gathers no moss. Ian OZ AMS Capital Melbourne From dwtpa97@earthlink.net Sat Jun 01 07:06:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 1 Jun 2002 14:06:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 14229 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2002 14:06:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2002 14:06:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2002 14:06:54 -0000 Received: from sdn-ap-013scfairp0046.dialsprint.net ([63.183.128.46] helo=earthlink.net) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17E9Wu-0007Ro-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 01 Jun 2002 07:06:53 -0700 Message-ID: <3CF8D519.D69CE058@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 10:07:21 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD472 (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 3mp-is-back-in-stereo!!!!!! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: dwtpa97 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38076959 "Start/Run... and then type CHARMAP and press Enter" works in Windows XP. Dick W. amstereofan wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > > > So where can I get a list of all the various characters? > Sometimes > > > have to QSL scandinavian countries. > > > > If you are running WINDOWS, you can use the "Character Map". > Select > > File/Run... or Start/Run... and then type CHARMAP and press Enter. > > > > Not in Windows ME, have'nt tried XP > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From shelswartz@yahoo.com Sat Jun 01 08:07:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: shelswartz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 1 Jun 2002 15:07:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 98337 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2002 15:07:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2002 15:07:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14906.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.225.58) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2002 15:06:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20020601150659.55467.qmail@web14906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.86.167.19] by web14906.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 01 Jun 2002 08:06:59 PDT Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 08:06:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Typing help To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3CF8D519.D69CE058@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Shel Swartz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91652391 X-Yahoo-Profile: shelswartz Can we at least change the subject so others who don't want to do nopn-AM stereo talk can delete those messages without opening them? :) --- dwtpa97 wrote: > "Start/Run... and then type CHARMAP and press Enter" > works in Windows XP. > Dick W. > > amstereofan wrote: > > > --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" > wrote: > > > > So where can I get a list of all the various > characters? > > Sometimes > > > > have to QSL scandinavian countries. > > > > > > If you are running WINDOWS, you can use the > "Character Map". > > Select > > > File/Run... or Start/Run... and then type > CHARMAP and press Enter. > > > > > > > Not in Windows ME, have'nt tried XP > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Jun 01 09:50:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 1 Jun 2002 16:50:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 65111 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2002 16:50:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2002 16:50:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2002 16:50:49 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-245.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.245]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g51Gms1G006719 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 11:48:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000d01c2098c$d988fc60$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WTTM Update Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 11:53:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I thought that sharing ended years ago. Lots of hams running converted 250w-1kw broadcast rigs on 160. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevtronics" > considering that in the nearby "160 meter" ham radio band at 1800 to > 2000 kHz, amateur radio operators are limited to 250 watts (I think, > because 160M is "shared" with other radio services) and yet their > signals have no trouble being heard thousands of miles away when > conditions are good. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jun 01 10:10:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 1 Jun 2002 17:10:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 35010 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2002 17:10:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2002 17:10:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2002 17:10:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2002 17:10:12 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 17:10:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT: off-topic messages Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020601150659.55467.qmail@web14906.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 683 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.68.24 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Can we at least change the subject so others who don't want to do > non-AM stereo talk can delete those messages without opening them? > :) Yes, we can.... although even I (as proprietor of this Forum) am too lazy at times to do it. Most Internet message boards have a recommendation that off-topic discussions have their subject line prefixed with "OT:", but I don't see this done much. I'm not going to make that a rule here either, but I can at least recommend that when a discussion has completely drifted off the original topic, that the subject line should be changed to reflect the new topic, with an "OT:" prefix if it is not even remotely related to AM Stereo. From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Jun 01 10:11:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 1 Jun 2002 17:11:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 55563 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2002 17:11:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2002 17:11:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2002 17:11:27 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-245.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.245]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g51H9W1G009116 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 12:09:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003d01c2098f$bb6ab0e0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020601051616.43481.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hello Out There... Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 12:14:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Speaking of which, some time ago Chris wondered what the differences were between a stereo and mono Delco tuner board. I got a stereo board from Tony Auk (Tauk of ebay fame), and I noticed instead of a ceramic resonator, there's a 3.60M crystal, which should be sufficient since it's digitally tuned and doesn't need much tuning range. It appears to be associated with a narrow-bodied 24 pin chip with the numbers Delco-185/DM-235/KY 8517 (my guess being that last number is a date code. Chris- I will donate this to you if you wish. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnny Electron" > Chris Cuff: you still out there building radios? > From zyberfred@yahoo.com Sat Jun 01 11:12:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: zyberfred@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 1 Jun 2002 18:12:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 6548 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2002 18:12:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2002 18:12:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2002 18:12:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2002 18:12:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 18:12:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?50,000_night_time_-de_WA=D8PBL?= Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 220 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Zyberfred" X-Originating-IP: 67.251.209.109 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=9445783 X-Yahoo-Profile: Zyberfred I was only looking for stations that are 50,000 watt nite time in=20 stereo only.=20=20 by the way, =D8 is easy to do, go to character map, double click on =D8,=20 then copy and paste. Easy ! from Fred WA=D8PBL Sioux Falls, SD From shelswartz@yahoo.com Sat Jun 01 11:58:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: shelswartz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 1 Jun 2002 18:58:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 60211 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2002 18:58:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2002 18:58:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14905.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.225.57) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2002 18:58:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20020601185850.20120.qmail@web14905.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.86.167.19] by web14905.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 01 Jun 2002 11:58:50 PDT Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 11:58:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: off-topic messages To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Shel Swartz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91652391 X-Yahoo-Profile: shelswartz EXCELLENT IDEA!! I've run lists for years and had never herad of "OT." Thanks! (shel) --- kevtronics wrote: > > Can we at least change the subject so others who > don't want to do > > non-AM stereo talk can delete those messages > without opening them? > > :) > > Yes, we can.... although even I (as proprietor of > this Forum) am too > lazy at times to do it. > > Most Internet message boards have a recommendation > that off-topic > discussions have their subject line prefixed with > "OT:", but I don't > see this done much. I'm not going to make that a > rule here either, > but I can at least recommend that when a discussion > has completely > drifted off the original topic, that the subject > line should be > changed to reflect the new topic, with an "OT:" > prefix if it is not > even remotely related to AM Stereo. > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From groucho@skyweb.net Sat Jun 01 19:44:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 2 Jun 2002 02:44:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 28106 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2002 02:44:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2002 02:44:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2002 02:44:23 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g522lKZ0017359 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 22:47:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3CF986B9.2F4EFD57@skyweb.net> Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 22:45:13 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WTTM Update References: From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Kevin I Understand how signals propagate... Ive been a Ham since Im 13 years old ,and I operate 160 Meters all the Time. so I do understand how well the EB signals Propagation works.....and the difference between ground wave and sky waves Just never seen it propagate this much this Time of the year.. As far as the WJNZ signal On 1680 drowning Out WTTM.. I had a friend who's an Engineer out that way do some Field Strength readings.. finding that they were not dropping Power at Night. after he approached them with his Findings they suddenly disappeared. I have not heard them since May 3rd. When I heard WJNZ I never Heard WTIR But since WJNZ started Lowering Power that's when I started to Hear WTIR It seems like the Other stations on the Frequency want To make it their own Clear channels and knock Out The Guy that is dropping Power..Me.. that's Just my opinion... and 1680 seems to be the Most used Frequency in the EB The local spanish Station down on 1660 I hear them all hours of the day with a fairly Good signal.. seems like they have the frequency all to themselves.. Neal kevtronics wrote: > Neal, part of the reason why distant signals (including WTIR) are > drowning out local WTTM at night on 1680 kHz is because of the way > groundwave and skywave signals work. > > I still wonder whether the FCC really thought things out when setting > up station allocations in the Expanded Band. The problem is simply > that these frequencies start acting more like the Shortwave band and > at night, you have the problems like yours with distant signals wiping > > out local signals. Some times I have heard WJNZ 1680 AM Stereo from > Michigan completely drown out WTTM here in NJ, and that's with WJNZ > running only about 680 watts at night. This is not unexpected > considering that in the nearby "160 meter" ham radio band at 1800 to > 2000 kHz, amateur radio operators are limited to 250 watts (I think, > because 160M is "shared" with other radio services) and yet their > signals have no trouble being heard thousands of miles away when > conditions are good. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sat Jun 01 23:18:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 2 Jun 2002 06:18:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 94373 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2002 06:18:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2002 06:18:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2002 06:18:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2002 06:18:35 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 06:18:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Lookinf for Info on the MC13022 Chip Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1704 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.245 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst I currently have been drawing a circuit board based on the MC13028 and decided to use a DIP instead of SMD. I chose the MC13028 because of its simplicity and as a practice as my first board layout. I chose conventional through the hole components for ease of construction instead of SMD. It was brought to my attention that the MC13028 has only been found in a SMD packege and not DIP. I would rather use the MC13022 which is available in DIP instead for several reasons but the datasheet lacks some information necessary for a good implementation. The most important is the variable load resistance at Pin 5 that functions as the variable IF bandwidth/AGC that De-Q's the IF filter. The 2 datasheets I have in PDF, MC13022A & MC13022R only have 2 graphs but what I am looking for is a graph that shows the load resistance at Pin 5 Vs the AGC voltage at Pin 4 so I can select the proper inductance and capacitance for best performance. The other info is what is the roll off frequency for Pins 1, 27 & 28 when the recomended .001uf capacitor is used. It would of been nice if the sheet gave the resistance so the RC constant could be calculated. I find my datasheets to be very lacking on information necessary for a good implementation. Chris what has been your experience with the 13022 and do you have any additional information than what is in the datasheets. You had mentioned that Motorola put out a detailed booklet on the 13024 but by any chance is there anything like that for the MC13022. I have to say one thing about the MC13028 datasheet is that it answers almost any question you might have about the chip. I just wish that the MC13022 was that well documented. JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jun 01 23:22:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 2 Jun 2002 06:22:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 20483 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2002 06:22:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2002 06:22:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2002 06:22:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2002 06:22:05 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 06:22:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WTTM Update Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3CF986B9.2F4EFD57@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2128 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.17 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The local spanish Station down on 1660 I hear them all hours of the > day with a fairly Good signal.. seems like they have the frequency > all to themselves.. That's 1660 WWRU, which as WJDM back in 1995 was the very first station in the USA on the Expanded Band. In fact, the whole Expanded Band was created because WJDM complained loudly enough to the FCC that they were the only radio station in a big city (Elizabeth, NJ) and were daytime-only. This led to the FCC's "100,000 rule" where any city with more than 100,000 population that does not have a full-time radio station can have an instant allocation on the Expanded Band. Another station that used the 100,000 rule is 1640 KDIA in California. Anyway, nowadays 1660 WWRU has forgotten all about Elizabeth and New Jersey and is now aiming their signal towards New York City. They moved their daytime transmitter site to share a tower with 1380 WKDM (still in NJ but closer to NYC), and they have an application for a *9000 watt directional* nighttime signal aimed like a flashlight beam at NYC. I don't know if this is built yet, but now when I listen to 1660 at night here in central NJ (Somerset County), all I get is a faint trace of WWRU mixed in with about three other stations, including WQSN from Michigan. So, 1660 WWRU is most likely now the first Expanded Band station to legally run more than 1000 watts at night, and also the first E.B. station to have a directional signal. Another thing about 1680 WTIR is that they are basically transmitting from the middle of the Florida Everglades. With all that swamp and water, the ground conductivity must be fantastic there. p.s. We should be glad Cuba isn't using the Expanded Band yet. They have dozens of high-power transmitters running on the U.S. "clear channels" (670, 710, 890, etc.) and even up here thousands of miles away in NJ, I hear the Spanish langauge programming of "Radio Rebelde" and "Radio Reloj" from Cuba drowning out the 50,000-watt U.S. stations that I should be receiving. If they did this on the Expanded Band then it would be a total nightmare! From zyberfred@yahoo.com Sun Jun 02 01:29:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: zyberfred@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 2 Jun 2002 08:29:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 76066 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2002 08:28:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2002 08:28:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2002 08:28:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2002 08:28:59 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 08:28:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: random thoughts Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2380 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Zyberfred" X-Originating-IP: 67.251.196.114 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=9445783 X-Yahoo-Profile: Zyberfred I have been away from listening to AM stereo for several years, then=20 i discovered this message board. So you guys inspired me to check out the local scene. KFYR 550 Bismarck, ND is no longer in stereo KLOH 1080? Pipestone, Minn is still in stereo with a country format. Pipestone is the only station that is in stereo from my Sioux Falls,=20 SD listening location. The station at 1470, Sioux City is supposed=20 to be stereo but seems to be in mono. I own 2 receivers, a Sony SRF-42 and an AM Stereo tuner i got from=20 Radio Shack some years ago. I use the RS tuner isolated in my house=20 away from interference and get a clean signal across the band, free=20 from computer QRM, etc.=20 Will try to see what i can hear at night time and will put it on this=20 board. IMHO this is why AM stereo failed: - i saw a Carver AM stereo tuner=20 some years ago being demonstrated at an electronics store. KELO 1320=20 was in stereo at the time. The Carver could not pick it up. They=20 needed an outside antenna on their roof. This they refused to do,=20 all you could hear was interference from all the florescent lights=20 all over. The salesman showed me how well FM stereo sounded. He said=20 all AM stereo was good for was hearing static in stereo in both=20 channels, i told him- with a good antenna, it sounds great. i told=20 him where his QRM was coming from. But he was not a technical=20 person. His attitude may have the attitude of salesmen all over the=20 country and it helped to kill off AM stereo. Also when KELO was in=20 AM stereo, they never mentioned it on the air.=20=20 I would like to hear from you people on the forum - what AM stations=20 tell their listeners - "we are broadcasting in stereo". I never=20 heard stations promote themselves several years ago when i was more=20 active in listening. I thought i probably was the only person=20 interested in AM stereo. I am glad to see i am not the only one. But we should call our stations and tell them to promote themselves=20 as "AM Stereo" radio stations.=20 It saddens me to no longer hear KOMA in Oklahoma City in mono. I did=20 have an old tape of KOMA in stereo that i was planning to send to=20 them so their engineers could hear their quality 800 miles away from=20 their transmitter site. But the tape got mangled in the VCR. (i used=20 a Hi-Fi stereo VCR to tape them) thank you for letting me ramble. 73s=20 fred WA=D8PBL Sioux Falls, SD From zyberfred@yahoo.com Sun Jun 02 02:17:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: zyberfred@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 2 Jun 2002 09:17:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 4153 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2002 09:17:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2002 09:17:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2002 09:17:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2002 09:17:04 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 09:17:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: KLOH 1050 Pipestone Minnesota Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 681 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Zyberfred" X-Originating-IP: 67.251.196.114 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=9445783 X-Yahoo-Profile: Zyberfred KLOH is the only daytime AMS station i can hear in Sioux Falls. The=20 audio quality is great with both AMS receivers i own. They promote=20 themselves as stereo on their web page -=20 http://www.kjoeradio.com/KLOH/ here is their ad:=20 1050 KLOH=20 Great Stereo Country Your safety is our concern, that's why we keep you updated during=20 times of inclement weather. We even let you know when it's nice.=20 Every hour you can depend on accurate weather for local areas and=20 surrounding regions. We're here when you need us. Turn on and Tune in to us. We're KLOH. We are radio. -------------- so it is good to see someone promoting themselves as AMS. 73s Fred WA=D8PBL Sioux Falls, SD =20 =20 From steveking@wgnradio.com Sun Jun 02 03:37:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: steveking@wgnradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 2 Jun 2002 10:37:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 64061 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2002 10:37:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2002 10:37:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2002 10:37:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2002 10:37:20 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 10:37:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: random thoughts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2982 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgnhim" X-Originating-IP: 64.12.107.31 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71806925 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgnhim Hi Fred, I've had similar experiences with salespeople. I've been amazed and=20 disapointed with the number of stores (some very high end) where you=20 would expect the salespeople to know what they're talking about that=20 didn't have a clue. One visit to a Sharper Image store in the=20 Chicago area had a sales person arguing with me that not only were=20 there no AM-Stereo receivers made, but there were NO AM-Stereo=20 stations!!! I promptly showed him my buisiness card and walked out.=20=20 Radio Shack used to sell an AM-Stereo tuner, but their sales people=20 were surprised when I showed them that the SFR-42 ON THEIR SHELVES=20 picked up AM-Stereo. Who's to blame? Who knows. In the beginning, I suppose, our own=20 industry for arguing about which format to use, instead of promoting=20 the audio advantage. When I first started at WGN, in 1984, we were=20 giving away SRF-42 radios to contest winners and actively promoting=20 the fact that we were (and still are) AM-Stereo. These days we don't=20 promote it as a formal part of any written or recorded promos.=20=20 Unfortunately, the management thought is that, at this point in the=20 battle, it's an issue only a small part of our whole audience cares=20 about. We do, however frequently spontaneously talk about it and the=20 sound advantage. In addition, on our show, one of our regular=20 features is a "Radio Road Test" of different vehicles and we never=20 fail to mention if a car has AM-Stereo. We also mention the sound=20 advantages when we have a group in the studio performing. Just our way of tilting against windmills, I suppose, but we have had=20 calls from listeners who purchased a car or tuner or found an SRF-42=20 because they heard us talking about it. The war is probably lost, but we're still winning a few battles now=20 and then. Steve King/WGN-AM, Chicago --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Zyberfred" wrote: > IMHO this is why AM stereo failed: - i saw a Carver AM stereo tuner=20 > some years ago being demonstrated at an electronics store. KELO=20 1320=20 > was in stereo at the time. The Carver could not pick it up. They=20 > needed an outside antenna on their roof. This they refused to do,=20 > all you could hear was interference from all the florescent lights=20 > all over. The salesman showed me how well FM stereo sounded. He=20 said=20 > all AM stereo was good for was hearing static in stereo in both=20 > channels, i told him- with a good antenna, it sounds great. i told=20 > him where his QRM was coming from. But he was not a technical=20 > person. His attitude may have the attitude of salesmen all over=20 the=20 > country and it helped to kill off AM stereo. Also when KELO was in=20 > AM stereo, they never mentioned it on the air.=20=20 >=20 > I would like to hear from you people on the forum - what AM=20 stations=20 > tell their listeners - "we are broadcasting in stereo". I never=20 > heard stations promote themselves several years ago when i was more=20 > active in listening.=20=20 > 73s=20 > fred > WA=D8PBL Sioux Falls, SD From shelswartz@yahoo.com Sun Jun 02 05:47:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: shelswartz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 2 Jun 2002 12:47:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 43250 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2002 12:47:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2002 12:47:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14906.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.225.58) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2002 12:47:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20020602124702.23581.qmail@web14906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.86.167.252] by web14906.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 02 Jun 2002 05:47:02 PDT Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 05:47:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: random thoughts To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Shel Swartz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91652391 X-Yahoo-Profile: shelswartz I share your thoughts exactly. I;ve had the same situation.... over and over and over. And here's why: Today's way of hiring seems to be to get someone who can barely read and write. Then they teach him or her to run a cash register and credit card swiper. Then that person is shoved behind the counter. We live in a society which is very complacent. Nobody wants to know anything about learning about what they sell, but "just pay me anywy." On the other hand, the politicos at the FCC chose a long time ago to treat AM stereo like they treated the original FM; they really didn't know what to do with it, thus it was not properly promoted. I am one who, as many on this list, may well be kicking a dead horse. But having heard AM stereo (including a baseball game IN STEREO from a former stereo outlet in my area, WIOD/Miami), I immediately became addicted! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From justinvn@yahoo.com Sun Jun 02 10:42:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: justinvn@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 2 Jun 2002 17:42:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 24756 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2002 17:42:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2002 17:42:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2002 17:42:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2002 17:42:11 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 17:42:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: KLOH 1050 Pipestone Minnesota Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1027 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "justinvn" X-Originating-IP: 207.32.7.126 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public I'm in Rock Valley, IA right now, and they are the station I get the best for AM Stereo. For those of us who don't care for country (guilty as charged!), they do have some Adult Standards and Spanish programming on Sunday afternoons. They also have a good North-South Pattern. I was coming in pretty clear in Fergus Falls and Sioux City last weekend! But, yes, the do sound great on my Delco AM Car raido! Another one that may come in around Sioux Falls is 780 out of Norfolk, Nebraska. It's mostly talk, but I got it pretty good in town. Also (another station not on the list at amstereoradio.com) is KSIM 1370 from Faribult, Minnesota. It's country and Stereo. > 1050 KLOH > Great Stereo Country Oh, I did a little experiment with KLOH and it's sister station KJOE 106.1--which run the same satellite format during certain times of the day. My sister was in the car with me, and I switched between the two and asked her which was was FM, and which was sounded better. Guess which one she said?? :) -Justin From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Jun 02 11:44:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 2 Jun 2002 18:44:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 90671 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2002 18:44:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2002 18:44:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.105) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2002 18:44:17 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 11:44:17 -0700 Received: from 209.240.222.130 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 02 Jun 2002 18:44:16 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KLOH 1050 Pipestone Minnesota Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 18:44:16 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jun 2002 18:44:17.0363 (UTC) FILETIME=[7FE73A30:01C20A65] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.222.130] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 I'm guessing your sister thought the 1050 a.m. stereo sounded better! >1050 KLOH Great Stereo Country >Oh, I did a little experiment with KLOH and it's sister station KJOE 106.1--which run the same satellite format during certain times of the day. My sister was in the car with me, and I switched between the two and asked her which was was FM, and which was sounded better. >Guess which one she said?? :) >-Justin BTW- glad to hear that you've got the ams installed in the car. donn in the am-stereo free st pete/tampa,fl radio market _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jun 02 13:10:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 2 Jun 2002 20:10:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 2290 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2002 20:10:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2002 20:10:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2002 20:10:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2002 20:10:05 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 20:10:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Looking for Info on the MC13022 Chip Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 793 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.67.6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I would rather use the MC13022 which is available in DIP instead for > several reasons but the datasheet lacks some information necessary > for a good implementation. Check out the data sheet for the MC13122 chip (combined in the same data sheet as the MC13027 AM front end tuner chip). It is identical to the MC13022 except with the addition of noise blanking to meet AMAX specs. The pin-out is the same and I bet that except for the noise blanking, you could swap an '022 for a '122 or vice-versa without changing anything in the circuit. Anyway, the MC13122 data sheet is much more detailed and contains info on each pin of the chip. If you can't find this data sheet on the 'net, I have it on disk and I can upload it to the Files section of the AM Stereo Forum web page. From davidcoons@webtv.net Sun Jun 02 16:20:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: davidcoons@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 2 Jun 2002 23:20:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 79938 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2002 23:20:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2002 23:20:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net) (209.240.198.119) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2002 23:20:10 -0000 Received: from storefull-2315.public.lawson.webtv.net (storefull-2315.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.212.223]) by mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A5AD7B3 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 16:20:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-2315.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id QAA05889; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 16:20:10 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAs0oKJNe4/v5pw/QrYEweILmLxeACFFIkAKVw3qY9B2DYE8fW5TR63H7/ Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 19:20:09 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: random thoughts Message-ID: <23956-3CFAA829-8167@storefull-2315.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Shel Swartz 's message of Sun, 2 Jun 2002 05:47:02 -0700 (PDT) Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-From: davidcoons@webtv.net (David Coons) From: davidcoons@webtv.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10533228 hi,shell swartz,imagine if am stereo had arrived ten years earlier,maybe wrko woulndt be a memory From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sun Jun 02 18:17:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 3 Jun 2002 01:17:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 83983 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2002 01:17:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2002 01:17:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2002 01:17:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2002 01:17:49 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 01:17:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Looking for Info on the MC13022 Chip Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 573 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.108 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > Anyway, the MC13122 data sheet is > much more detailed and contains info on each pin of the chip. If you > can't find this data sheet on the 'net, I have it on disk and I can > upload it to the Files section of the AM Stereo Forum web page. Yea, upload it to the files section. I have done net searches lately for AMS chips and haven't had much luck. The one I have for the AMAX Chipset is only for the Product Preview consisting of the first page and the physical dimensions of the the chip. JSG From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Sun Jun 02 18:52:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 3 Jun 2002 01:52:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 79174 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2002 01:52:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2002 01:52:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2002 01:52:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2002 01:52:24 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 01:52:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Looking for a Sony ST-JX520A Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 298 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.143.216.239 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 Does anybody have a Sony ST-JX520A Tuner they are willing to trade for a mint ST-JX220A plus an undisclosed amount to make up for the difference? I ask because I purchased a TA-AX520 Amplifier recently and would like to have the matching tuner as well. I'm open to any offers!! Thanks, Matt H From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sun Jun 02 19:07:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 3 Jun 2002 02:07:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 84579 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2002 02:07:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2002 02:07:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf22bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2002 02:07:15 -0000 Received: from juan ([67.34.229.251]) by imf22bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020603020714.NSSY1202.imf22bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 22:07:14 -0400 Message-ID: <001201c20aa3$62247a60$fbe52243@juan> To: Subject: Delco Radio Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 22:07:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks to everyone on the list for your help with my Delco UX-1 AM Stereo Radio. I ended up buying a new one, that fit perfectly. As soon as I can, I will check to see if my used one works, and If it does, I will be happy to sell it to someone that needs one. M & R Electronics has a few Delco AM Stereo radios left. According to the Manager, they purchased a large lot of the radios, and still have a few. They also have Ford and Chrysler. They also had the adapter I would have needed, to make my older model UX-1 work with my 89 Buick (Thanks Johnny for the heads up about the adapters) If someone could check out the radios on the website, I think there are other Stereo radios as well But with all this said, sadly they is really not much to listen to in Stereo here. I live too close to the Ocean to get 1130 out of Bartow FL. I instead get Hilton Head Island. The Stereo light goes on when I get 1660 from Marco Island, but no seperation. By the way WMEL is NOT in stereo.I did go to Orlando today, and on the turnpike Plaza made a stop and listened awhile to 1130 Bartow.....sweet Stereo music to my ears. Juan Gualda WGYL / WTTB / WOSN / WGNX [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From shelswartz@yahoo.com Sun Jun 02 19:23:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: shelswartz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 3 Jun 2002 02:23:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 5995 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2002 02:23:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2002 02:23:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14913.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.225.240) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2002 02:23:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20020603022304.87705.qmail@web14913.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.86.166.144] by web14913.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 02 Jun 2002 19:23:04 PDT Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 19:23:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: random thoughts To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <23956-3CFAA829-8167@storefull-2315.public.lawson.webtv.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Shel Swartz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91652391 X-Yahoo-Profile: shelswartz Maybe.. but FM was still leading the charge, and AM stereo wasn't receiving any publicity. --- davidcoons@webtv.net wrote: > hi,shell swartz,imagine if am stereo had arrived ten > years earlier,maybe > wrko woulndt be a memory > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Jun 03 02:09:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 3 Jun 2002 09:09:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 80070 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2002 09:09:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2002 09:09:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2002 09:09:51 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.38]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.224) with SMTP id ; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 05:09:40 -0400 Message-ID: <007101c20ade$8317fcc0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: Cc: Subject: cool stuff! Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 05:10:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Just a "heads up"- I have listed 3 items on ebay that will be of interest to AM stereo afficianados.... if you want to see them before the next update, simply go to ebay, click on the small "search" box at the top, choose "search by seller" then type in "ccuff" (without the quotes) chris From phil@transmittersrus.com Mon Jun 03 06:43:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 3 Jun 2002 13:43:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 68852 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2002 13:43:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2002 13:43:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.195.177) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2002 13:43:01 -0000 Received: from modem-1562.chimpanzee.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.118.26] helo=fslife.co.uk) by cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17Es6t-0004zU-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 03 Jun 2002 14:43:00 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 14:41:43 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WLYC 1050 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-U () From: Philip de Cadenet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Just wanted to say sorry if I have not replied to some of the posts with help or advice re my past posts re our station above. I'm not even in the USA but seems to be rushing around procuring equipment for the station. We now have studio space and have taken on three sales people, one a seasoned professional. Satellite dish being installed as we speak and I'm chasing a Gentner Hybrid on eBay. Talking of eBay, I just became the proud owner of one Becker Grand prix stereo AM set. This was following a posting from Kevin I believe, thanks and all for around $50.00! They are a top of the range set, still fitted in current model Mercedes and Porsche. Shame it did not come with the short-wave band like the European models. Someone has to listen to Bro Stair. I don't know the power of his transmitter and the antenna system he uses out of TN but it's the only US based station that can reach Europe on the 49 metre band during daytime! Once again thanks. -- Philip de Cadenet G4ZOW / WLYC 1050 Williamsport, PA From phil@transmittersrus.com Mon Jun 03 08:50:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 3 Jun 2002 15:50:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 8176 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2002 15:50:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2002 15:50:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail4.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.211) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2002 15:50:28 -0000 Received: from modem-193.chimpanzee.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.112.193] helo=fslife.co.uk) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17Eu6F-0007iF-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 03 Jun 2002 16:50:27 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:26:05 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re Transmitter reliability MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-U () From: Philip de Cadenet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Scott, You stated: But if you go with Omni-tronix or EO, they won't have stereo and you'll need an external stereo generator. Plus BE and Nautel are more reliable. I keep hearing this re Omni-Tronix and Energy Onix. Have you or anyone on the list had personal experience of any of the current models from these two manufacturers? One would think that they would have learned from their own customer feedback over the years and that standards would have improved. An argument put forward by one of the management at LPB, who now own Omni-Tronix told me that companies such as Harris, Nautel and Be spend a lot more on advertising and therefore tend to get more business allowing them to charge more for their products. I am inclined to go for a Nautel or BE if only that both companies offer stereo on-board, BE as standard, Nautel as an option. -- Philip de Cadenet WLYC 1050 Williamsport From jwelton@nautel.com Mon Jun 03 11:10:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 3 Jun 2002 18:10:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 93955 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2002 18:10:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2002 18:10:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserver.nautel.com) (24.222.4.134) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2002 18:10:29 -0000 Received: FROM jeff-welton BY mailserver.nautel.com ; Mon Jun 03 15:11:27 2002 -0300 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:09:55 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re Transmitter reliability, getting OT Message-ID: <3CFB86C7.25896.10D52A8@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body From: "Jeff Welton" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 > An argument put forward by one of the management at LPB, who now own > Omni-Tronix told me that companies such as Harris, Nautel and Be spend > a lot more on advertising and therefore tend to get more business > allowing them to charge more for their products. Ummm - I can't speak for BE or Harris, but we have traditionally spent very little on advertising. Based on the number of competitors' ads I see in the trades vs. the number of Nautel ads, we spend less than most other companies. We charge more because we hand- build an extremely reliable transmitter, engineered to operate in some pretty harsh conditions, with (if I do say so myself!) better than average customer service. I suspect that we get more business based on our reputation - if we say the transmitter will do something, it will ...and we won't say it will if it won't. Our mark-up is constant, based on cost of R&D, development, manufacture and projected support costs with a profit margin included. Also, for what it's worth, in the 12 years I've been here, most of our prices have actually gone DOWN, as we find new ways to streamline manufacturing, reduce costs and increase reliability. Book price on an ND1 in 1991 was $17,336.00 - they're selling for about $13,000.00 now. Bottom line is that, in most cases anyway, you get what you pay for. We probably spend more on our company Christmas party than we do on advertising in any given quarter (note that I do NOT know this for a fact, just making a supposition). A big chunk of that higher price is based on keeping our talent, so the Customer Service guy you spoke to five years ago will still be there in the next five years (right, Scott?). As well as the engineers and technologists who designed the transmitter, the production folks who put it together, the technicians who tested it, etc. Sorry for the rant, but some things just get me going. This type of sales tactic is one of them. I'm going to take my little blue pill and go lie down now. Best, Jeff Welton Nautel Customer Service Dept. Tel.: 1-902-823-3900 ext. 127 Fax: 1-902-823-3183 email: jwelton@nautel.com From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Jun 03 11:48:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 3 Jun 2002 18:48:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 45804 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2002 18:48:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2002 18:48:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sodium.vcn.com) (209.193.72.7) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2002 18:48:22 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.21]) by sodium.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 12:48:22 -0600 To: Subject: KOMA, Nautel & AMS Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 12:48:20 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <3CFB86C7.25896.10D52A8@localhost> Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message particularly for Jeff Jeff...I've seen many of your posts here and I don't know if the question has ever been asked, although it may have, and you've probably answered it here on the list. What about KOMA? You guys seem to be very high on customer service. Is there anything you guys have tried to do in the way of getting KOMA to go back in stereo? It would seem with you being the manufacturer maybe YOU could convince the engineer that by working closely with you, KOMA could SAFELY return to stereo without any fears of drifting and doing damage. I know it's an older Nautel, but I'm sure they talked to Nautel when this happened some time ago. I think if there was one station that all of us here on the list would love to have in stereo again, it would be KOMA. Their coverage at night covers more than half the country. Their music is OLDIES which is one of the most awesome formats for AM STEREO. I just thought maybe with you guys being the manufacturer, you could do something on your end to convince to guy to get back in stereo or help them fix the exciter....maybe even replace it with a newer exciter. I dunno. Like I said...you've probably discussed this here on the list before and I just wasn't watching or wasn't on the list yet. Michael n WYO -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Welton [mailto:jwelton@nautel.com] Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 12:10 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re Transmitter reliability, getting OT [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Jun 03 12:23:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 3 Jun 2002 19:23:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 91575 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2002 19:23:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2002 19:23:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11704.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2002 19:23:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20020603192323.66656.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.33.103] by web11704.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 03 Jun 2002 12:23:23 PDT Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 12:23:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLYC 1050 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio What will be WLYC's format? Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Jun 03 12:25:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 3 Jun 2002 19:25:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 70400 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2002 19:25:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2002 19:25:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11706.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2002 19:25:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20020603192556.6881.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.33.103] by web11706.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 03 Jun 2002 12:25:56 PDT Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 12:25:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re Transmitter reliability, getting OT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3CFB86C7.25896.10D52A8@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio How much is a new 50kW XMTR.? Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From jwelton@nautel.com Mon Jun 03 13:08:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 3 Jun 2002 20:08:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 72693 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2002 20:08:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2002 20:08:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserver.nautel.com) (24.222.4.134) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2002 20:08:53 -0000 Received: FROM jeff-welton BY mailserver.nautel.com ; Mon Jun 03 17:09:51 2002 -0300 To: "Michael J. Richard" , amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 17:08:20 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: {AMSF} KOMA, Nautel & AMS Message-ID: <3CFBA287.21113.179BC50@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: <3CFB86C7.25896.10D52A8@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body From: "Jeff Welton" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 > to be very high on customer service. Is there anything you guys have > tried to do in the way of getting KOMA to go back in stereo? Short answer - Nope. We try to avoid telling customers they should or shouldn't do anything that won't have any immediate effect on the transmitter. My job is to keep the transmitter working, fix it when it breaks and help in any way I can with interfacing with other products - but I don't make recommendations outside of my box, except as they relate to transmitter protection. If I'm talking to someone and they ask me what I think about AMS, I tell the truth - it sounds great and, when properly set up, it's hard to tell the difference between AMS and FM - at least in my car it is. For home listening, I could probably tell the difference, but I don't listen to more than 1/2 hr of radio a week at home - I listen to about two hrs a day in the car. > seem with you being the manufacturer maybe YOU could convince the > engineer that by working closely with you, KOMA could SAFELY return to > stereo without any fears of drifting and doing damage. I know it's an The problem is that, with the current configuration of this transmitter, I can't guarantee that the situation won't happen again. The stereo exciter didn't drift in this case, it experienced a sudden and radical change in operating frequency, causing the PA's to see an extreme VSWR from the tuned rf filter. To modify the transmitter to prevent this is technically possible, but the engineering time required to do it according to our procedures would put the upgrade cost into the thousands of dollars, which we could not reasonably expect to recover from the customer. I could probably rig something up with a tuned circuit and a level detector (if the exciter goes off frequency, the level drops, with an attendant transmitter inhibit function), but the problem then comes back to the hysteresis (inherent delay) of such a circuit - would it be fast enough to protect the FETs if the exciter instantaneously shifts frequency by a couple of hundred kHz? This is where Engineering would need to get involved, complete with prototyping and destructive testing to determine the parameters at which we decide sufficient protection is being provided. The cost of Engineering time at this level would end up being prohibitive for a one-time upgrade to a transmitter that is over ten years old. I agree it sucks, but from a business perspective, it wouldn't end up being a financially viable solution. > older Nautel, but I'm sure they talked to Nautel when this happened > some time ago. They did, but as stated above, we can't guarantee it won't happen again. That's not to say that it will definitely happen, I did mention in a previous post that this was the only time I recall seeing such an extreme and abrupt departure from the programmed frequency in any stereo exciter. > you could do something on your end to convince to guy to get back in > stereo or help them fix the exciter....maybe even replace it with a > newer exciter. I dunno. Unfortunately, we're not really qualified to fix the exciter. Again, the problem from our perspective is that anything we do in this regard costs us both in terms of engineering time and assumed responsibility. I can't initiate such a contact. If they come to us and ask what can be done to ensure that the problem doesn't recur if they choose to turn the stereo back on, I can look into it, but, as I said, it would probably be cost prohibitive. Beyond that, I don't know what else to say - I'd like to help, but in this case, I understand why KOMA's engineering staff is gun-shy... that failure cost them several thousands of dollars. Even if we did engineer an acceptable solution, I suspect that they'd always have the fear of a repeat incident in the back of their minds. With IBOC potentially around the corner, I don't think they'll be planning anything that adds cost for something they may end up replacing next year. Now, if IBOC doesn't fly, that's a whole 'nother story, at that point, it might be a good time to raise this issue again, and look into researching an upgrade. Regards, Jeff Welton Nautel Customer Service Dept. Tel.: 1-902-823-3900 ext. 127 Fax: 1-902-823-3183 email: jwelton@nautel.com From jwelton@nautel.com Mon Jun 03 13:29:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 3 Jun 2002 20:29:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 61527 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2002 20:29:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2002 20:29:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserver.nautel.com) (24.222.4.134) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2002 20:29:04 -0000 Received: FROM jeff-welton BY mailserver.nautel.com ; Mon Jun 03 17:30:02 2002 -0300 To: JNR , amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 17:28:31 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re Transmitter reliability, getting OT Message-ID: <3CFBA741.2300.18C35D9@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20020603192556.6881.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3CFB86C7.25896.10D52A8@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body From: "Jeff Welton" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 > How much is a new 50kW XMTR.? Obviously, this is more a question for the Sales Team than us service guys - kind of like asking the mechanic at your local dealership how much a new car would cost. Depends on what you want - dual exciters, stereo, spares, synthesized rf drive, etc. Also depends on how fast you want it and what kind of deal you drive (like buying a car, most big ticket items are negotiable to an extent). List price ranges around the $160k ballpark, again depending on options and delivery. Regards, Jeff Welton Nautel Customer Service Dept. Tel.: 1-902-823-3900 ext. 127 Fax: 1-902-823-3183 email: jwelton@nautel.com From jwelton@nautel.com Mon Jun 03 13:36:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 3 Jun 2002 20:36:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 91236 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2002 20:36:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2002 20:36:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserver.nautel.com) (24.222.4.134) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2002 20:36:19 -0000 Received: FROM jeff-welton BY mailserver.nautel.com ; Mon Jun 03 17:37:17 2002 -0300 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 17:35:49 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re Transmitter reliability, getting OT Message-ID: <3CFBA8F5.29554.192DA86@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3CFBA741.2300.18C35D9@localhost> References: <20020603192556.6881.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body From: "Jeff Welton" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 > > How much is a new 50kW XMTR.? > around the $160k ballpark, again depending on options and delivery. Keeping on my original theme, I forgot to compare that to the 1991 price of almost $180k. Regards, Jeff Welton Nautel Customer Service Dept. Tel.: 1-902-823-3900 ext. 127 Fax: 1-902-823-3183 email: jwelton@nautel.com From davidcoons@webtv.net Mon Jun 03 14:33:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: davidcoons@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 3 Jun 2002 21:33:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 3790 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2002 21:33:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2002 21:33:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net) (209.240.198.118) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2002 21:33:48 -0000 Received: from storefull-2318.public.lawson.webtv.net (storefull-2318.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.212.226]) by mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id E16775E0 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 14:33:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-2318.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id OAA05842; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 14:33:47 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRbMI1huJELQBICSc3WMOicqz/6HgIVAMA+b712sWmK/WcOgYsEYWa8Nw4/ Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 17:33:47 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: random thoughts Message-ID: <4884-3CFBE0BB-9906@storefull-2318.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Shel Swartz 's message of Sun, 2 Jun 2002 19:23:04 -0700 (PDT) Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-From: davidcoons@webtv.net (David Coons) From: davidcoons@webtv.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10533228 by 10 years earlier I mean the early 70s.am stereo properly done early enough would have,I belive prevented the migration to fm.my opinion is based on the fact that fm mono circa 1941-61made little inroad into am,s audiance.it took stereo exclusivity on the part of fm to do it.it follows then that had am been stereo,with good recievers when am was where people went for their music ,fm would have held little apeal for most people,just as it did when both were mono From smpoole7@bellsouth.net Mon Jun 03 16:41:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: smpoole7@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 3 Jun 2002 23:41:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 96015 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2002 23:41:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2002 23:41:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2002 23:41:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2002 23:41:28 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 23:41:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re Transmitter reliability, getting OT Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3CFBA741.2300.18C35D9@localhost> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 124 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "professorpoole" X-Originating-IP: 209.214.107.196 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25309165 X-Yahoo-Profile: professorpoole --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Jeff Welton" wrote: > $160k ballpark ... and worth every penny. :) -- Stephen From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Jun 03 16:56:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 3 Jun 2002 23:56:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 74084 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2002 23:56:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2002 23:56:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sodium.vcn.com) (209.193.72.7) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2002 23:56:23 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.29]) by sodium.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 17:56:23 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} KOMA, Nautel & AMS Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 17:56:21 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <3CFBA287.21113.179BC50@localhost> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *sigh* Well that was kinda the response I thoght I'd get. I for one have my doubts about IBOC on AM. I just don't see it taking off. I guess we'll have to wait and see. And if it doesn't, then who knows. Maybe a resurrection for AM STEREO is around the corner and to me would be a LOT cheaper for any consumer to buy an AMS capable radio (once they start being manufactured again) and a lot cheaper for any radio station to go stereo. I really think it is not a major expense for any of the manufacturers to tune up their AM sections a bit to allow 7.5 khz bandwidth or even up to 10khz.....even if they DON'T include stereo. I think that in itself would impress the general public to the hilt.....hardly ANYONE knows that AM really does sound THAT good! I still to this day love bringing people into the studio to hear the air monitor. Their eyes usually pop out and they say "Wow! That's AM???" Even my wife who refuses to listen to any AM at all because she says it's "muffled and static".....when I played some AM stereo air checks for her....she said "Well YES...if it really did sound THAT good, I think everyone would listen." Why's AM dying? I truly think the manufacturers did it. The manufacturers took it down when they started building crappy AM sections in the 70s that only respond to 4khz...maybe that of a telephone....meanwhile putting high end and crispness on the FM side only. I'm beginning to think there was a conspiracy to kill AM to make FM succeed....and all the manufacturers did it to make FM sound all that much better! I know I know...time to take my zoloft and have a li'l nap. Off the soap box for now. With headphones on and my AM cranked, signing off for now..... MJR in WYO -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Welton [mailto:jwelton@nautel.com] Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 2:08 PM To: Michael J. Richard; amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KOMA, Nautel & AMS [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@csiro.au Mon Jun 03 17:09:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 4 Jun 2002 00:09:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 97885 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2002 00:09:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2002 00:09:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2002 00:09:06 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22861 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 10:09:04 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 10:09:04 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: 3MP's signal Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public From : "Jeff Chatfield" Reply-To : avation@earthlink.net To : "Bob Green" Subject : Re: 3MP's signal Sir Thanks for this. Yes it is in Stereo - tell your friends. Cheers Jeff Chatfield Managing Director Data & Commerce Ltd From: "Bob Green" To: avation@earthlink.net Subject: Re: 3MP's signal Date sent: Fri, 31 May 2002 04:23:16 -0400 > Dear Sir > > We have been regular listeners to 3MP for a very long time and have > been very disappointed with the reception until today. > > Although the stereo light has always been on here in Portarlington > we weren't getting your lovely station in stereo. But today we did > and it sounds very nice indeed. I hope it's not just strange weather > conditions but it would be superb if you always came in like this. > I thought I should let you know. We also like many of the older > music items that you seem to be playing more often. > > Yours sincerely > Bob Green > =================================== > Bob & Beryl Green > 9 Golden Grove > Portarlington, Victoria, 3223 > =================================== From smpoole7@bellsouth.net Mon Jun 03 17:40:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: smpoole7@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 4 Jun 2002 00:40:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 68748 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2002 00:40:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2002 00:40:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2002 00:40:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2002 00:40:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 00:40:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KOMA, Nautel & AMS Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1897 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "professorpoole" X-Originating-IP: 209.214.107.196 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25309165 X-Yahoo-Profile: professorpoole > Why's AM dying? I truly think the manufacturers did it. The manufacturers > took it down when they started building crappy AM sections in the 70s that > only respond to 4khz...maybe that of a telephone....meanwhile putting high > end and crispness on the FM side only. If we're going to start pointing fingers, we'll need a few extra hands. Just my opinion, but there's plenty of blame to share here. First, the way the original AM band was set up: back in the 30's and 40's, it was just *assumed* that 10 khz channel spacing -- a 5khz "protected" audio bandwidth on standard DSB AM -- would be adequate. It wasn't (and still isn't). Second, the FCC permitted way too many AM stations on the air. This resulted in adjacent-channel interference out the wazoo at night. The receiver manufacturers adopted narrow-bandwidth filtering, in part, to help eliminate this interference. Third, yes, the manufacturers are to blame, but see the previous. With wideband radios, especially given that AM broadcast a flat signal (ie, no preemphasis) until the adoption of the NRSC curve, customers would complain about the interference at night. Nor can you trust most customers to know how to toggle a "wideband/narrowband" switch. Fourth, FM became Cool. It was in demand. It's what listeners wanted. It was the In Thing. AM was Old News by the late 70's. So, more money was poured into the FM sections of radios. (However, I do agree that people could be brought back to AM -- IF it sounded great.) Fifth, and foremost, the FCC's ridiculous and indefensible "marketplace" decision that effectively killed AM stereo before it ever got off the ground. There are others, but that's a start. Just pointing fingers at the manufacturers leaves unassigned a lot of blame that SHOULD be assigned elsewhere. Just my opinion, of course, and you know what they're worth ... :) From shelswartz@yahoo.com Mon Jun 03 17:59:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: shelswartz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 4 Jun 2002 00:59:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 13405 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2002 00:59:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2002 00:59:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14906.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.225.58) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2002 00:59:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20020604005925.48535.qmail@web14906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.86.172.136] by web14906.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 03 Jun 2002 17:59:25 PDT Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 17:59:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} KOMA, Nautel & AMS To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Shel Swartz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91652391 X-Yahoo-Profile: shelswartz I agree 400%. You said it perfectly and truthfuly. No spin.. very refreshing. Educated me as well. It seems that the bands weren't set up properly - all of them. It would be tough at best because one would at best have needed to be able to predict some 45 years onto the future, say fr0m 1920. I'd like to see the FCC somehow expand the FM band.. and offer that space for existing AM owners to gravitate to. And no more AM assignments would be made. I would offer that expanded band first for daytimers. Then we could either dump AM entirely, or expand its bandwidth. Just dreaming, but it is a nice dream. :) shel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Jun 03 18:27:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 4 Jun 2002 01:27:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 71899 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2002 01:27:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2002 01:27:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2002 01:27:20 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-191.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.191]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g541PO1G025190 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 20:25:25 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003801c20b67$5b9abdc0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KLOH 1050 Pipestone Minnesota Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 20:30:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Would that be KSUM from Fairmont? ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "justinvn" > Also (another station not on the list at amstereoradio.com) is > KSIM 1370 from Faribult, Minnesota. It's country and Stereo. From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Jun 03 18:37:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 4 Jun 2002 01:37:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 90850 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2002 01:37:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2002 01:37:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2002 01:37:55 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-191.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.191]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g541Zx1G027007 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 20:36:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <005801c20b68$d61fae60$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <3CFB86C7.25896.10D52A8@localhost> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re Transmitter reliability, getting OT Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 20:40:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Absolutely. It's nice to know I'm going to get someone who knows something when I call. You guys are great. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Welton" > A big chunk of that higher price > is based on keeping our talent, so the Customer Service guy you spoke > to five years ago will still be there in the next five years (right, > Scott?). From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Jun 03 18:53:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 4 Jun 2002 01:53:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 40036 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2002 01:53:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2002 01:53:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2002 01:53:36 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-191.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.191]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g541pd1G000173 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 20:51:40 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <007801c20b6b$06992060$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} KOMA, Nautel & AMS Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 20:56:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude You're partly right- the manufacturers helped kill AM, but not necessarily for the reasons you think. AM stations cranked up the high and low end to make up for the tinny little speakers in pocket transistor radios, and that caused the signals to splatter onto adjacent channels, and the mfrs. tightened up the bandwidth a bit more, and it became a vicious cycle. Back in the old days what rock stations existed ran very little compression as a rule, and of course it sounded better. Then music migrated to FM and the old AM loudness wars followed, bastardizing the newly found band. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael J. Richard" > Why's AM dying? I truly think the manufacturers did it. The manufacturers > took it down when they started building crappy AM sections in the 70s that > only respond to 4khz...maybe that of a telephone....meanwhile putting high > end and crispness on the FM side only. From smpoole7@bellsouth.net Mon Jun 03 20:51:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: smpoole7@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 4 Jun 2002 03:51:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 4299 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2002 03:51:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2002 03:51:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2002 03:51:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2002 03:51:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 03:51:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KOMA, Nautel & AMS Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020604005925.48535.qmail@web14906.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3024 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "professorpoole" X-Originating-IP: 209.214.107.57 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25309165 X-Yahoo-Profile: professorpoole > It seems that the bands weren't set up properly - all > of them. It would be tough at best because one would > at best have needed to be able to predict some 45 > years onto the future, say fr0m 1920. Aw, I guess I have to be fair: hindsight is 20/20. Through the 50's (and even early 60's), most program material didn't have a lot of high end. The FCC figured that occasional blips and tweeties might run above 5Khz, but 5Khz probably WAS adequate in the Golden Days. There was also the limit of technology. The FM pilot tone is at 19khz for a reason: it was difficult, back when FM stereo was introduced, to build a linear, brick wall filter. Having the filter cut at 15Khz was more realistic; it gave some breathing room between program and the pilot. But fast forward a few decades to the TV stereo system: it uses the horizontal sync frequency (15734 hz) as the pilot. We CAN build filters that sharp now. So ... > I'd like to see the FCC somehow expand the FM band.. > and offer that space for existing AM owners to > gravitate to ... Any number of such proposals have been made over the years, and then dropped. No one wants to surrender any spectrum -- not the military, not amateurs, not police/fire, whatever. Plus, the AM band has some powerful advantages (such as groundwave propogation, which rolls right over hills) that I'd hate to surredner. I'm not just saying this: I honestly think that CQUAM is about the best compromise that can be had. If the FCC would require AM stereo in all receivers, AM would be revived overnight. That's NOT going to happen until the IBOC thing plays out, though. The problem THERE is that everyone has been spoiled by improvements in the technology. The algorithms kept getting better, and better ... to the point that you could even cram passable (not great, but OK) audio onto a dial-up phone line. The non-technical suits in the big offices Upstairs think, "aw, they'll work it out." They don't realize that you soon reach a point of diminishing returns. Rhey REALLY believe that someone, somewhere, will finally come up with that Magic Digital Algorithm that will let them cram two 10Khz stereo channels into a very narrow bandwidth. THAT'S one reason for all the delay in rolling out IBOC for AM. It doesn't perform as promised; they'll tinker with the software, try again, then tinker some more, hoping they can finally pull a rabbit out of their hat. We'll see, but I ain't bettin' my money. Not yet, anyhow. :) (If you've ever ZIPped a .GIF or .JPG file, you'll get the idea. It's that "diminishing returns" thingy; it gets you every time ...[g]) Again: just my opinion. I might be considered a heretic for saying this here, but to be honest, if the AM band could be converted to some type of FM or digital, I'd be all for it. But the problem is all those legacy receivers out there; it'd have to be compatible ... and NOW you know precisely what the AM IBOC folks are up against. I wouldn't want to be in their shoes. :) From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jun 03 20:56:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 4 Jun 2002 03:56:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 97592 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2002 03:56:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2002 03:56:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2002 03:56:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2002 03:56:03 -0000 Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 03:56:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT: analog vs. digital Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2603 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.29 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics If I may digress from the topic of AM Stereo for a moment: > The manufacturers took it down when they started building crappy AM > sections in the 70s that only respond to 4khz...maybe that of a > telephone.... Actually, these days the reference to "telephone quality" is getting less and less valid, because of the increasing popularity (or should I say *forced* popularity) of "digital" cell phones.... the phone companies have national TV commercial campaigns promoting the "static-free", "crystal clear" sound of digital (PCS) mobile phones, when that couldn't be more wrong. Compare them to a regular analog cell phone, and the digital phone will sound worse every time! Even when the connection is good, the quality with a PCS phone is so low that even an original 8 kbps RealAudio voice stream on the Internet sounds better. I hear they are only using a bit rate of 5 or 6 kbps, and I would be surprised if the audio even extends to 2.5 kHz. And when the connection starts to break up.... forget about it. It gets so mumbled and garbled that nobody can understand it. I would take the "static" of a regular cell phone any day over this! It is so bad that I hear some radio talk shows refuse to talk calls from people using digital cell phones which show even any hint of a poor connection, because it will inevitably break up in the middle of their call and that is a waste of time on the air. And, at the same time, the quality *possible* through the U.S. *landline* telephone system has never been better. The national standard is now a fiber-optic network with an audio response of at least 4 kHz -- better than the "3 kHz" that has always been associated with telephones. If you are lucky to have a phone that has clear, low-distortion audio, the clarity is surprisingly good, especially when broadcast on the air on a radio station. The C.Crane company is promoting some of the phones they sell as having good audio, but I hesistate to spend $100+ on any telephone. Perhaps I can make a small battery-powered circuit that provides the voltage of a phone line, so that I can hook it up in a store and test out a phone before I buy it. Just by hearing my own voice echoed through the earpiece, I can tell if the quality is good or not. Anyway, we now resume to our normally scheduled AM Stereo programming... although, as a footnote, I have a fax machine that picks up Shortwave radio signals in its earpiece, even when not on a phone line... I can hold down the hook-switch and pick up the handset, and hear voice and music, especially at night! From jwelton@nautel.com Mon Jun 03 21:00:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 4 Jun 2002 04:00:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 79982 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2002 04:00:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2002 04:00:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO relay3.softcomca.com) (168.144.1.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2002 04:00:49 -0000 Received: from M2W072 ([168.144.108.72]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Tue, 4 Jun 2002 00:00:48 -0400 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: {AMSF} Re Transmitter reliability, OT and long (sorry!) Sender: "jwelton@nautel.com" Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 00:00:48 -0400 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Return-Path: jwelton@nautel.com Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jun 2002 04:00:48.0368 (UTC) FILETIME=[68E7FF00:01C20B7C] From: "jwelton@nautel.com" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Originating-IP: 24.222.136.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 This turned out to be quite long winded and primarily directed at station e= ngineers; I won't be insulted if anyone deletes it without getting to the b= ottom! Scott said: >It's nice to know I'm going to get someone who knows something >when I call. Thanks, Scott. I wasn't really fishing for compliments (no, really, I wasn= 't!). It just irks me when I hear of a company badmouthing a competitor by= implying, "they can charge more because they have more customers because..= .". We charge more because we put a lot of effort into everything that goe= s out our door and because we put we put a name we've spent 30+ years estab= lishing as a premier equipment supplier on the line every time we ship a un= it.=20=20 Debate the system on it's technical merits, reliability, support history, a= nd if the company looks like it will be around in another fifteen or twenty= years. I'll be the first to confess (even here in public!) that there are= other transmitters that compare to ours quite favorably in terms of specif= ications. Some may even come close in the areas of support history and rel= iability. In my opinion, no one can match or beat us in all four categorie= s. I'll even recommend competitors' equipment in some cases where I don't = think ours is cost effective. As an example, if you need a 1kW FM transmit= ter, I'll steer you to Crown. Our smallest FM at the moment is 3.5 kW, whi= ch is overkill for a 1kW application. For a 250W AM, I'd recommend a BE 50= 0W (forget the model number, but I think they still make that unit), if the= customer can't afford our ND1 (at 1kW it's our smallest AM rig). I don't = recommend these companies because I think theirs is technically the absolut= e best equipment, but I've had some experience with their gear, and I've sp= oken to some of their support techs. In terms of bang for the buck, they d= o okay and they seem to be willing to make an effort to help you keep it on= the air when bad things happen. In my mind, that matters a lot. I will a= lmost never recommend the lowest priced transmitter for any application - y= ou have to cut too many corners to hit some of those discount prices. A th= read a few years ago on one of the listservers debated what to look for whe= n getting bids on a new transmitter, and price consistently came in fourth = or fifth on the list, after reliability, tech support, parts availability a= nd (for some) documentation. It doesn't matter how cheap it was if it goes= down and you can't get it back on-air quickly. Of primary importance when considering a new box, ask for a list of custome= rs in your area using the model you are looking at. Talk to the guy who ha= s to crawl through it at 3:00 a.m. See what he thinks about the company's = support, or if he's even needed it. Get the tech support dept's after hour= s number (if different from their daytime number). Call it (late). See ho= w long it takes to get an answer - from somebody who knows the transmitter,= that is. In our facility, your call will go to an answering service who w= ill page the on-call tech. If there's no answer in 15 minutes (or less) th= ey page the standby tech. If there's still no answer (in 5 min. or so), th= ey call a list of home phone numbers, starting with mine. In any case, you= should have a response in less than 30 minutes. Not ideal, but we don't g= et enough after hours calls to make it worth paying somebody to sit at the = office all night (we average about one or two calls a week, for 7800 custom= ers). None of us will be real happy to speak to a potential customer who d= oes not have a technical emergency at 1:00 a.m. on a Sunday and it may show= , but you'll have your answer as far as support goes. Call tech support du= ring office hours and see if we're willing to spend time answering any tech= nical questions you might have, but pass yourself off as a "tire kicker" - = if we'll take time to talk to you when you don't own our box and don't appe= ar to be really serious about buying one, you can be sure we'll give you th= e time you need when you have one that is acting up. I'm sure Scott, Steph= en, or some of the other engineers in the group could provide other suggest= ions, mine are (obviously) focused more toward the support aspect. When (n= ot if) it breaks, you need to be confident that the manufacturer will be ab= le to help you get it back together promptly, with a minimum of cost and in= convenience. I can understand why some engineers would pick some of the others over ours= in certain situations. I can even understand pointing out competitors' kn= own technical weaknesses, although it often becomes too easy to bring up a = problem a company may have had with a transmitter that hasn't been produced= in several years. Normally, I try to avoid that. Last year, I was told o= f a rep from another company putting down on of our 10kWs because you can't= run it with a power module removed - but we haven't built that version of = transmitter since 1988! However, saying a company charges more because they can get away with it, f= or whatever reason, sounds too much like sour grapes to me. There's too mu= ch competition in this business for that. Uh-oh, here I go again ...time f= or another little blue pill! Sorry for the ranting folks, I'll try to conf= ine myself to the topics at hand for awhile. Best, Jeff Welton Customer Service Dept. Nautel Ltd. Tel: +1-902-823-3900, ext. 127 Fax: +1-902-823-3183 jwelton@nautel.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jun 03 21:28:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 4 Jun 2002 04:28:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 25876 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2002 04:28:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2002 04:28:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2002 04:28:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2002 04:28:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 04:28:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KOMA, Nautel & AMS Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2902 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.29 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I think the AM band in the USA needs to follow what AM in Canada and Europe is doing, only more aggressively: establish a DAB Digital broadcast service, in its own radio band, for high quality, high fidelity reception of local signals -- a "new FM band" if you will. Then, move a selected group of AM stations up to the regular FM band to fill in the gaps. And then finally, the AM band will be "cleared out" enough to go back to its roots: with high power, large coverage stations, broadcasting in harmony with small community stations that aren't all jumbled together with hundreds of stations on a single "graveyard" frequency. As everbody here agrees, AM Stereo is a beautiful thing, and can really make any AM station come to life with breathtaking high-fidelity Stereo sound. But... its effectiveness is limited when you have an AM band that is almost hopelessly crowded at night, with all but the strongest local signals fighting to be heard. So, this may be cold and unfeeling for fans of these stations, but I think it is actually *good* that various Canadian stations are giving up AM and moving to FM and DAB... because a cleaner, clearer AM band is a better platform upon which to provide the advantages of AM Stereo. We need more stations like 630 CFCO and 790 CIGM... playing popular, contemporary music on a strong, clear signal with great AM Stereo sound. For the *ultimate* success of the AM band in *general*, I think the following plan needs to be followed: * High quality "AMAX"-type AM Mono and AM Stereo receivers need to be available at reasonable prices and be promoted through ad campaigns working together with AM stations. If this happens, then AM stations will naturally return to broadcasting in Stereo, or at least in good quality Mono. * The electric companies need to get their act together and spend a few bucks fixing noisy, buzzy AC power lines, which can totally wreck AM reception when driving. Also, the FCC has to revise its "Part 15" rules to do something about notorious AM-killers like dimmer lamps and LED traffic light signals. * Whether voluntarily or not, the clutter on the AM band needs to be thinned out, through encouraging "useless" stations to go off the air, and through the responsible management of nighttime signal patterns and power levels. Perhaps the infamous "flea power" Class D stations should be encouraged to return to daytime-only broadcasting, or to limit their audio bandwidth at night so they at least won't "splatter" onto adjacent channels. This may sound a bit radical, and like overkill... but in the same way that a Ferrari sports car than can go 200 MPH is useless in a traffic jam that is crawling along at 5 MPH, the benefits of AM Stereo can be rendered useless if it does not have the solid foundation of a good quality AM radio service upon which to add its benefits. From n0uiheric@aol.com Mon Jun 03 21:57:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 4 Jun 2002 04:57:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 44360 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2002 04:57:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2002 04:57:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.4) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2002 04:57:19 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.c8.27c79ed1 (2520) for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 00:57:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 00:57:14 EDT Subject: Pulled in an AM Stereo station...through my local! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih The Stereo light lit up on 1320 last night...and I have a MONO local parked there! About 12:45 a.m. CDT (0545 UTC) on June 3, I heard a weather forecast through the local on 1320, KSIV Clayton, MO. The station identified as "Your Hometown Station, AM 1320 WMSR". The format was a Gold-based AC format with full Stereo seperation. WMSR is licensed to Manchester, TN. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From n0uiheric@aol.com Mon Jun 03 21:57:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 4 Jun 2002 04:57:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 16871 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2002 04:57:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2002 04:57:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.5) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2002 04:57:21 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.66.21ed79d3 (2520) for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 00:57:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <66.21ed79d3.2a2da2ad@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 00:57:17 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLYC 1050 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Philip, Brother Stair's transmitter in Tennessee (WWCR Nashville) runs in the area of 100 kW. George McClintock owns the station. As for a format, what voids need to be filled in the Williamsport area? Usually, one only needs to search the radio dial to see what formats aren't on the air in a particular area. I would select a format which would greatly benefit from AM Stereo. For example, in St. Louis, there are a few format voids to be filled; a suburban-oriented news/talk format and a '50s-'60s Oldies format are two that come to mind for this area. I'm sure there are formats that aren't on the air in Williamsport. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From n0uiheric@aol.com Mon Jun 03 21:57:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 4 Jun 2002 04:57:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 72493 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2002 04:57:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2002 04:57:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.5) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2002 04:57:22 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.e4.2885de52 (2520) for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 00:57:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 00:57:19 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} KOMA, Nautel & AMS To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih I think you also have to blame it on programming consultants, too. Too many fine music formats were taken off AM and forced to FM radio. Even 20 years ago, there were still some good music radio stations on AM. In 1982 in Southern California, for instance, you had 64 KFI playing a Hot AC format and The Mighty 690 XETRA still doing Top 40. Top 40 had become an AM monopoly in New York; WABC's change to talk left WNBC keeping the AM contemporary music flame going for six more years until WFAN took over. In Chicago, WLS 890 kept the Top 40 flame going in various forms until 1989. Here in St. Louis, we had contemporary music on AM radio in one form or another until 1997. During the early 1980s, KXOK 630 and KWK 1380 were battling for listeners. When KXOK went to a talk format in the spring of 1983, KWK was the only AM contemporary music station left; but kept rocking even after the change to KGLD in 1984. KXOK tried a mix of Top 40 and Oldies for eleven months in 1987-88. Both stations made plans to go AM Stereo in the late 1980s. KXOK returned to music in 1990, this time with a decent-rated Urban AC format that was later simulcast on FM. After a two-year run as all-sports KASP, the 1380 station returned to a Top 40 format, this time as WKBQ; that format ran (except for a brief stint as a talk station) until 1997, when the FM that the 1380 station was simulcasting flipped to Modern AC. The switch of 1380 to Hot Country (the station was later sold and flipped to talk, then mainstream Jazz, before taking it's current Southern Gospel format in 1999) basically was the end of contemporary music radio on AM in St. Louis. At one time or another, the Classic Country, Easy Listening, Urban Gospel, Adult Standards and even the Spanish AC formats were heard in AM Stereo in St. Louis. KMOX was able to broadcast Cardinals and Blues home games in Stereo. When it ran an Adult Standards format, KSD 550 (now KTRS) even promoted AM Stereo in some of it's liners; calling itself "Unforgettable 550 KSD-AM" during it's 1995-96 run with the format. Now, Christian Talk, Urban Gospel, Contemporary Christian and R&B Oldies are the formats now available in AM Stereo in St. Louis. Even WESL 1490 is starting to get away from the old mono carts; an increasing amount of their music is now on compact disc. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From n0uiheric@aol.com Mon Jun 03 21:57:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 4 Jun 2002 04:57:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 72603 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2002 04:57:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2002 04:57:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2002 04:57:27 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.34.287b8652 (2520) for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 00:57:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <34.287b8652.2a2da2b0@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 00:57:20 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re Transmitter reliability, getting OT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Jeff, what about a 1 kW or a 5 kW model with AM Stereo? 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From n0uiheric@aol.com Mon Jun 03 21:57:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 4 Jun 2002 04:57:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 16936 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2002 04:57:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2002 04:57:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.5) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2002 04:57:28 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.f8.1c576652 (2520) for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 00:57:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 00:57:19 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KLOH 1050 Pipestone Minnesota To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih The KSIM calls are assigned to Sikeston, MO on 1400 kHz. Talk format in dull mono. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From groucho@skyweb.net Mon Jun 03 22:04:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 4 Jun 2002 05:04:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 52003 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2002 05:04:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2002 05:04:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2002 05:04:31 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g5457Rp2039673 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 01:07:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3CFC4A8B.301B6F7A@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 01:05:16 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re Transmitter reliability, getting OT References: <34.287b8652.2a2da2b0@aol.com> From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit whatever happened to the Wilkinson Company I think that was the name.. they used to make some really good AM transmitters a station I interned at in High school had one.. It was 250 Watts... n0uiheric@aol.com wrote: > Jeff, what about a 1 kW or a 5 kW model with AM Stereo? > > 73 and good DX from Eric > Amateur Radio Station N0UIH > Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN > Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 > DXing The World since 1981 > Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel > PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION > "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Mon Jun 03 22:08:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 4 Jun 2002 05:08:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 51292 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2002 05:08:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2002 05:08:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2002 05:08:18 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g545BEp2040020 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 01:11:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3CFC4B6C.F15ECDE3@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 01:09:00 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re:WTTM Update References: <34.287b8652.2a2da2b0@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Today I got My Delta Electronics ASM-1 Stereo Modulation Meter back From Repair... tomorrow when I goto the transmitter site For My weekly Meter readings I may put the Stereo exciter Online to Run tests.. It will Be Mono audio.. But will try it out.... Now To Figure out why the Optimod acts weird with Both channels active Neal From rfinder@telusplanet.net Mon Jun 03 23:44:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rfinder@telusplanet.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 4 Jun 2002 06:44:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 54680 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2002 06:44:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2002 06:44:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2002 06:44:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2002 06:44:09 -0000 Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 06:44:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 2002 Ford Explorer Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 588 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "i2thesky2001" X-Originating-IP: 66.222.236.40 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public rented this beauty on the weekend to a trip to the mountains. It featured a 6 CD in dash changer and AM/FM radio. Turned over to CHQR AM 770 to get the weather. I was in for a surprizee when the intro music was in full AM Stereo! The frequency range was great and the separation was fantastic! One thing, though unless you have a strong signal and full quieting, the pilot will not come on during fringe signals. didnt see who the make of this neat little radio was. I suspect it was the usual Ford manufacturer. I was amazed they still put AM stereo in 2002 models. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Jun 04 00:48:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 4 Jun 2002 07:48:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 38208 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2002 07:48:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2002 07:48:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2002 07:48:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2002 07:48:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 07:48:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KOMA, Nautel & AMS Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1345 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.183 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "professorpoole" wrote: > > The non-technical suits in the big offices Upstairs think, "aw, > they'll work it out." They don't realize that you soon reach a point > of diminishing returns. Rhey REALLY believe that someone, somewhere, > will finally come up with that Magic Digital Algorithm that will let > them cram two 10Khz stereo channels into a very narrow bandwidth. > > THAT'S one reason for all the delay in rolling out IBOC for AM. It > doesn't perform as promised; they'll tinker with the software, > try again, then tinker some more, hoping they can finally pull a > rabbit out of their hat. > I agree 100%. The demand for FM quality over a phone line is there for music streaming over the internet. Money and research has been poured into this issue and for the past 5 years internet streaming has grown. If it was possible we would of seen something by now and it would be a new huge market that would offer big competition to the existing conventional music stations. I use the example of a phone line because IBOC on AM has about the same amount of spectrum to work with. I don't see IBOC on AM happening any time soon unless they forsaked all compatibility with analog receivers to use all the BW. Even then I don't think it would have the coverage that analog AM has. JSG From phil@transmittersrus.com Tue Jun 04 04:40:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 4 Jun 2002 11:40:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 29023 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2002 11:40:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2002 11:40:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail11.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.23) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2002 11:40:48 -0000 Received: from modem-1781.cheetah.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.102.245] helo=fslife.co.uk) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17FCgA-0005Gy-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 04 Jun 2002 12:40:47 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 12:39:16 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New boxes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-U () From: Philip de Cadenet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Jeff, You make some very valid and important points re tech support etc. Because I'm determined to try stereo I have decided to look at both your companies products and those of BE once we are in a position to upgrade the TX. Someone mentioned Wilkinson. AFAIK they still make AM transmitters. A 1Kw costs around $10K. I've never found a website belonging to them. -- Philip de Cadenet WLYC 1050 Williamsport From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Jun 04 07:14:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 4 Jun 2002 14:14:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 79835 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2002 14:14:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2002 14:14:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2002 14:14:05 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g54EH1p2092146 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 10:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3CFCCB59.5323F610@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 10:14:50 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KOMA, Nautel & AMS References: From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Speaking of audio streaming.. we have been Told by Our Provider that The Federal Govt. has stopped ALL music streaming from radio stations except for Public owned stations.. as far as I know only Jazz WBGO here in NJ is streaming. all Others have been halted... If you guys know Of stations still streaming PLease Let Me know who they are and their Stream Providers...Being an Ethnic Station.. allot of Our listeners are also listening On the Net. But we are no longer streaming ,and my phone is ringing off the hook with complaints... I need a New Provider for this service... Thanks in advance Neal Newman Chief Engineer WTTM 1680 am stereo Princeton,NJ. jsgilst wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@y..., "professorpoole" wrote: > > > > The non-technical suits in the big offices Upstairs think, "aw, > > they'll work it out." They don't realize that you soon reach a point > > > of diminishing returns. Rhey REALLY believe that someone, somewhere, > > > will finally come up with that Magic Digital Algorithm that will let > > > them cram two 10Khz stereo channels into a very narrow bandwidth. > > > > THAT'S one reason for all the delay in rolling out IBOC for AM. It > > doesn't perform as promised; they'll tinker with the software, > > try again, then tinker some more, hoping they can finally pull a > > rabbit out of their hat. > > > > I agree 100%. The demand for FM quality over a phone line is there > for music streaming over the internet. Money and research has been > poured into this issue and for the past 5 years internet streaming > has grown. If it was possible we would of seen something by now and > it would be a new huge market that would offer big competition to > the existing conventional music stations. I use the example of a phone > > line because IBOC on AM has about the same amount of spectrum to work > with. I don't see IBOC on AM happening any time soon unless they > forsaked all compatibility with analog receivers to use all the BW. > Even then I don't think it would have the coverage that analog AM > has. > > JSG > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Jun 04 07:18:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 4 Jun 2002 14:18:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 1483 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2002 14:18:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2002 14:18:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2002 14:18:55 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g54ELqp2092947 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 10:21:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3CFCCC7C.55550135@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 10:19:41 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New boxes References: From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Philip I mentioned Wilkinson Transmitters.... I have Never Been able to Find a site For them either.... I thought they were good transmitters.. Im looking For a used 250 Watt Version so I can convert it tothe 160 Amateur band Or as a carrier current transmitter for a Huge Shopping center. running at a lower power of Course... Neal Philip de Cadenet wrote: > Jeff, > > You make some very valid and important points re tech support etc. > > Because I'm determined to try stereo I have decided to look at both > your > companies products and those of BE once we are in a position to > upgrade > the TX. > > Someone mentioned Wilkinson. AFAIK they still make AM transmitters. A > 1Kw costs around $10K. I've never found a website belonging to them. > -- > Philip de Cadenet > WLYC 1050 > Williamsport > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jun 04 07:30:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 4 Jun 2002 14:30:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 7798 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2002 14:30:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2002 14:30:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14208.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2002 14:30:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20020604143003.74180.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Jun 2002 07:30:03 PDT Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 07:30:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WTTM comment & Nautel Questions To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio WTTM: Neal: bring your audio processor issues to this forum, as we were able to help Michael gets his stereo audio working in Wymoming. Question: the Nauteul ND1 (1KW) - can this be 'turned-down' to 500 Watts days and 250 Watts nights? Does it have an AM Stereo card (standard or optional), or do you need an external unit? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From kfornal@loa.com Tue Jun 04 10:00:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kfornal@loa.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 4 Jun 2002 17:00:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 9141 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2002 17:00:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2002 17:00:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao01.cox.net) (68.1.17.244) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2002 17:00:08 -0000 Received: from OMNIBOOK ([68.9.127.164]) by lakemtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020604170007.XYUV29627.lakemtao01.cox.net@OMNIBOOK> for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 13:00:07 -0400 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} KOMA, Nautel & AMS Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 12:59:40 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c20be9$3b042c90$0401a8c0@OMNIBOOK> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3CFCCB59.5323F610@skyweb.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Keith Fornal" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110312140 X-Yahoo-Profile: theradboy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Try this link: http://radio.broadcast.com/ There are plenty of stations still out there on the internet. I checked some station websites as well and found the ones I knew were streaming still are with the exception of Entercom stations which all stopped streaming last week. Keith Fornal Treasurer Dutch Island Lighthouse Society www.dutchislandlighthouse.org -----Original Message----- From: Neal Newman [mailto:groucho@skyweb.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 10:15 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KOMA, Nautel & AMS Speaking of audio streaming.. we have been Told by Our Provider that The Federal Govt. has stopped ALL music streaming from radio stations except for Public owned stations.. as far as I know only Jazz WBGO here in NJ is streaming. all Others have been halted... If you guys know Of stations still streaming PLease Let Me know who they are and their Stream Providers...Being an Ethnic Station.. allot of Our listeners are also listening On the Net. But we are no longer streaming ,and my phone is ringing off the hook with complaints... I need a New Provider for this service... Thanks in advance Neal Newman Chief Engineer WTTM 1680 am stereo Princeton,NJ. jsgilst wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@y..., "professorpoole" wrote: > > > > The non-technical suits in the big offices Upstairs think, "aw, > > they'll work it out." They don't realize that you soon reach a point > > > of diminishing returns. Rhey REALLY believe that someone, somewhere, > > > will finally come up with that Magic Digital Algorithm that will let > > > them cram two 10Khz stereo channels into a very narrow bandwidth. > > > > THAT'S one reason for all the delay in rolling out IBOC for AM. It > > doesn't perform as promised; they'll tinker with the software, > > try again, then tinker some more, hoping they can finally pull a > > rabbit out of their hat. > > > > I agree 100%. The demand for FM quality over a phone line is there > for music streaming over the internet. Money and research has been > poured into this issue and for the past 5 years internet streaming > has grown. If it was possible we would of seen something by now and > it would be a new huge market that would offer big competition to > the existing conventional music stations. I use the example of a phone > > line because IBOC on AM has about the same amount of spectrum to work > with. I don't see IBOC on AM happening any time soon unless they > forsaked all compatibility with analog receivers to use all the BW. > Even then I don't think it would have the coverage that analog AM > has. > > JSG > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jwelton@nautel.com Tue Jun 04 11:17:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 4 Jun 2002 18:17:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 35256 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2002 18:17:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2002 18:17:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserver.nautel.com) (24.222.4.134) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2002 18:17:02 -0000 Received: FROM jeff-welton BY mailserver.nautel.com ; Tue Jun 04 15:17:58 2002 -0300 To: n0uiheric@aol.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:16:15 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re Transmitter reliability, getting OT Message-ID: <3CFCD9BB.30556.15AEFB5@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <34.287b8652.2a2da2b0@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body From: "Jeff Welton" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 > Jeff, what about a 1 kW or a 5 kW model with AM Stereo? As mentioned, 1kW is about $13,000, the 5kW is around $ 38,000 - depending on various options (single exciter vs. dual, single phase AC vs. 3-phase, etc). Add about $2000.00 for the stereo exciter option - this is a relatively fixed price, although our newest price list says, "ask about pricing", indicating it's become much more transient (changeable) for some reason. Best, Jeff Welton Nautel Customer Service Dept. Tel.: 1-902-823-3900 ext. 127 Fax: 1-902-823-3183 email: jwelton@nautel.com From jwelton@nautel.com Tue Jun 04 11:17:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 4 Jun 2002 18:17:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 18384 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2002 18:17:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2002 18:17:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserver.nautel.com) (24.222.4.134) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2002 18:17:02 -0000 Received: FROM jeff-welton BY mailserver.nautel.com ; Tue Jun 04 15:17:58 2002 -0300 To: Philip de Cadenet , amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:16:30 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: {AMSF} New boxes Message-ID: <3CFCD9CA.7503.15B2B44@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body From: "Jeff Welton" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 > Because I'm determined to try stereo I have decided to look at both > your companies products and those of BE once we are in a position to > upgrade the TX. Either way, you'll get a good box. As mentioned, at this level, price will probably not be a deciding factor. Make sure you're happy with everything else that will be required for long term use of the equipment (field reports, support structure, documentation, etc.) I did a Google search for Wilkinson and couldn't find anything except some used equipment for sale and a link that suggests that Larcan/TTC may be the current owners, but nothing to confirm that anywhere. They're not listed under manufacturers in my 1993 Radio Business Report Source Guide and Directory. Best, Jeff Welton Nautel Customer Service Dept. Tel.: 1-902-823-3900 ext. 127 Fax: 1-902-823-3183 email: jwelton@nautel.com From jwelton@nautel.com Tue Jun 04 11:17:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 4 Jun 2002 18:17:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 18411 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2002 18:17:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2002 18:17:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserver.nautel.com) (24.222.4.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2002 18:17:03 -0000 Received: FROM jeff-welton BY mailserver.nautel.com ; Tue Jun 04 15:17:59 2002 -0300 To: Johnny Electron , amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:16:00 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTM comment & Nautel Questions Message-ID: <3CFCD9AB.26247.15AB209@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20020604143003.74180.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body From: "Jeff Welton" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 > Question: the Nauteul ND1 (1KW) - can this be 'turned-down' to > 500 Watts days and 250 Watts nights? Does it have an AM Stereo card > (standard or optional), or do you need an external unit? Yes it can. Transmitter as shipped standard is type accepted for operation over the range of 100W to 1100W, with three user set power level presets, two of which are variable from 0-1100W, the 3rd from about 300-1100W. It can be ordered with an inboard AM Stereo Exciter PWB (NAPE49) - this is an option (see my message to Eric about five minutes ago!). Best, Jeff Welton Nautel Customer Service Dept. Tel.: 1-902-823-3900 ext. 127 Fax: 1-902-823-3183 email: jwelton@nautel.com From cboone@earthlink.net Tue Jun 04 14:02:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cboone@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 4 Jun 2002 21:02:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 64609 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2002 21:02:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2002 21:02:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.50) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2002 21:02:47 -0000 Received: from user-0ccshq6.cable.mindspring.com ([24.206.71.70] helo=earthlink.net) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17FLS3-00070P-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 04 Jun 2002 14:02:47 -0700 Message-ID: <3CFD2B4C.DEBB4FA1@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 16:04:12 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New boxes References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: cboone@earthlink.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173263 Philip, MAY I suggest you ask on the Broadcast.net radio tech list?? There are tons of professional engineers there who know the transmitters in and out and can give you honest opinions about any of them on the market. Chris WB5ITT Asst Chief Engineer-Radio, Liberman Broadcasting Houston (as of next Monday!) Philip de Cadenet wrote: > > Jeff, > > You make some very valid and important points re tech support etc. > > Because I'm determined to try stereo I have decided to look at both your > companies products and those of BE once we are in a position to upgrade > the TX. > > Someone mentioned Wilkinson. AFAIK they still make AM transmitters. A > 1Kw costs around $10K. I've never found a website belonging to them. > -- > Philip de Cadenet > WLYC 1050 > Williamsport > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Jun 04 15:37:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 4 Jun 2002 22:37:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 94215 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2002 22:37:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2002 22:37:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2002 22:37:46 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-174.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.174]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g54MZm1G024076 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 17:35:49 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <005001c20c18$d6bf39c0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <3CFCD9CA.7503.15B2B44@localhost> Subject: Re: {AMSF} New boxes Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 17:40:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Wilkinson was taken over by TTC in the late 80s, IIRC and became TTC/Wilkinson. Then that was bought by Larcan a few years later. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Welton" > I did a Google search for Wilkinson and couldn't find anything except > some used equipment for sale and a link that suggests that Larcan/TTC > may be the current owners, From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Jun 04 15:42:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 4 Jun 2002 22:42:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 68985 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2002 22:42:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2002 22:42:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2002 22:42:06 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-174.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.174]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g54Me81G024800 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 17:40:09 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <005d01c20c19$7228fe00$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} KOMA, Nautel & AMS Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 17:44:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I've seen some test data from Harris that suggests (during the day at least) the all digital signal will have as good a coverage as the all analog signal. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "jsgilst" > I don't see IBOC on AM happening any time soon unless they > forsaked all compatibility with analog receivers to use all the BW. > Even then I don't think it would have the coverage that analog AM > has. From smpoole7@bellsouth.net Tue Jun 04 17:56:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: smpoole7@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 5 Jun 2002 00:56:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 49925 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2002 00:56:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2002 00:56:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2002 00:56:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2002 00:56:40 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 00:56:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New boxes Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3CFCD9CA.7503.15B2B44@localhost> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 367 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "professorpoole" X-Originating-IP: 209.214.106.194 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25309165 X-Yahoo-Profile: professorpoole --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Jeff Welton" wrote: > I did a Google search for Wilkinson and couldn't find anything except > some used equipment for sale and a link that suggests that Larcan/TTC > may be the current owners Larcan is still in business, but they only make TV and FM now, mostly low-powered stuff. They've apparently written off AM. From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Jun 04 18:02:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 5 Jun 2002 01:02:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 89404 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2002 01:02:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2002 01:02:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sodium.vcn.com) (209.193.72.7) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2002 01:02:10 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.6]) by sodium.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 19:02:09 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} New boxes Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 19:02:07 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have to agree with the consensus on the Wilkinson transmitters. The former station I worked for here in Wyoming, we have a Wilkinson FM250E....bought in 1982.....still on the air to this day. Nice simple little unit. Our engineer loved it. It was so very simple to work on. Even I got to understand that thing over 11 years and can fix just about anything wrong with it. As the engineer put it "old man Wilkinson knew his stuff and knew how to build a good transmitter." Very reliable little rig. I take it all the other Wilkinson transmitters were just as good. MJR n WYO -----Original Message----- From: professorpoole [mailto:smpoole7@bellsouth.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 6:57 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New boxes --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Jeff Welton" wrote: > I did a Google search for Wilkinson and couldn't find anything except > some used equipment for sale and a link that suggests that Larcan/TTC > may be the current owners Larcan is still in business, but they only make TV and FM now, mostly low-powered stuff. They've apparently written off AM. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Jun 04 19:35:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 5 Jun 2002 02:35:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 71174 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2002 02:35:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2002 02:35:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2002 02:35:54 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g552cmp2014428 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 22:38:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3CFD7933.CB569A75@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 22:36:36 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTM comment & Nautel Questions References: <20020604143003.74180.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit don't know why this was directed to Me... I run a Harris DX-10 transmitter with Harris C-Quam Stereo exciter. Neal Johnny Electron wrote: > WTTM: Neal: bring your audio processor issues to this forum, as we > were able to help Michael gets his stereo audio working in Wymoming. > > Question: the Nauteul ND1 (1KW) - can this be 'turned-down' to > 500 Watts days and 250 Watts nights? Does it have an AM Stereo card > (standard or optional), or do you need an external unit? > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rjskadl@yahoo.com Tue Jun 04 19:45:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 5 Jun 2002 02:45:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 80301 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2002 02:45:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2002 02:45:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2002 02:45:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2002 02:45:06 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 02:45:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: ot/Re:Streaming Service (was: KOMA, Nautel & AMS) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3CFCCB59.5323F610@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1340 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl >...we have been Told by Our Provider that The > Federal Govt. has stopped ALL music streaming from radio stations > except for Public owned stations... ... If you guys know Of > stations still streaming PLease Let Me know who they are and their > Stream Providers... Hello Neal, It sounds to me like your streaming provider is giving you a line of BS. It sounds like time for you to find a new provider. Who is your current streaming provider? I know that WLUX 540 AM as well as 92.7 FM WLIR and their sister station 105.3 FM WXXP here on Long Island are all still streaming through Clicklive. http://www.clicklive.com I also know that 1390 AM WRIV here on Long Island as well as AM 600 WICC in Bridgeport CT and their sister FM 107.9 WEBE all are currently streaming through Warpradio http://www.warpradio.com Our WALK AM 1370 & WALK FM 97.5 and all of the other Clear Channel stations that I know of in and around NYC and CT all stream through Hiwire http://www.hiwire.com You can also try out Imedia and Tapped Into http://www.imedia.net http://www.tappedinto.com There are also ways of doing it on the cheap by running your own Real server or Windows Media Server. That depends though on the volume of people logging in to listen online at any given time though. Good luck getting back onto the net! -Russ From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Jun 04 19:52:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 5 Jun 2002 02:52:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 153 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2002 02:52:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2002 02:52:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2002 02:52:25 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g552tDp2016235 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 22:55:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3CFD7D0A.E6C83213@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 22:53:02 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KOMA, Nautel & AMS References: <005d01c20c19$7228fe00$d3a9fea9@me> From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I find that Very interesting considering Lucent used my Harris DX-10 for the local IBOC tests and they didn't do to well From what I was told by my predecessor Neal Scott Todd wrote: > I've seen some test data from Harris that suggests (during the day at > least) > the all digital signal will have as good a coverage as the all analog > signal. > ST > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jsgilst" > > > I don't see IBOC on AM happening any time soon unless they > > forsaked all compatibility with analog receivers to use all the BW. > > Even then I don't think it would have the coverage that analog AM > > has. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Jun 04 20:01:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 5 Jun 2002 03:01:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 79861 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2002 03:01:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2002 03:01:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2002 03:01:25 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g5534Lp2017144 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 23:04:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3CFD7F31.B39006E1@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 23:02:10 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} ot/Re:Streaming Service (was: KOMA, Nautel & AMS) References: From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thanks for the info Russ... we were going through NJ.com and My contact with them is with some guy at ADvanced? something... in our first 31 days On the air we had over 10k in Hits on our main page of that 9600+ tried to log onto our web stream page. before our old streaming Provider (web radio) went out of Business we were their #1 station with the Most Hits in any month for a whole year.. You Bet Im looking for a New provider.... Neal. rjskadl wrote: > >...we have been Told by Our Provider that The > > Federal Govt. has stopped ALL music streaming from radio stations > > except for Public owned stations... ... If you guys know Of > > stations still streaming PLease Let Me know who they are and their > > > Stream Providers... > > Hello Neal, It sounds to me like your streaming provider is giving > you a line of BS. It sounds like time for you to find a new > provider. Who is your current streaming provider? > > I know that WLUX 540 AM as well as 92.7 FM WLIR and their sister > station 105.3 FM WXXP here on Long Island are all still streaming > through Clicklive. > > http://www.clicklive.com > > I also know that 1390 AM WRIV here on Long Island as well as AM 600 > WICC in Bridgeport CT and their sister FM 107.9 WEBE all are > currently streaming through Warpradio > > http://www.warpradio.com > > Our WALK AM 1370 & WALK FM 97.5 and all of the other Clear Channel > stations that I know of in and around NYC and CT all stream through > Hiwire > > http://www.hiwire.com > > You can also try out Imedia and Tapped Into > > http://www.imedia.net > > http://www.tappedinto.com > > There are also ways of doing it on the cheap by running your own Real > server or Windows Media Server. That depends though on the volume of > people logging in to listen online at any given time though. > > Good luck getting back onto the net! -Russ > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jun 04 20:27:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 5 Jun 2002 03:27:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 32345 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2002 03:27:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2002 03:27:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2002 03:27:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2002 03:27:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 03:26:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Pulled in an AM Stereo station...through my local! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 880 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.162 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The station identified as "Your Hometown Station, AM 1320 WMSR". > The format was a Gold-based AC format with full Stereo seperation. > WMSR is licensed to Manchester, TN. Good catch! Reminds me of when I DXed 1330 WBTM (Danville, VA) on my Sony SRF-42 a few years ago. I came across a station playing great '70s music in full Stereo sound, and the ID came as "STEREO 1330, WBTM"! One of the best things I can think of is an AM Stereo station actually identifying itself as Stereo on the air. I was ecstatic when a local station used the ID of "AM STEREO 1040, WJHR" during their Top 40 music format. Not only was I hearing the latest hit music on the AM band in full Stereo, but every time the DJ opened his or her mouth, the first words out of it were "AM Stereo"! WJHR is also the station that gave us the line "Amplitude Modulation For The Next Generation". From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jun 04 20:36:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 5 Jun 2002 03:36:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 21219 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2002 03:36:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2002 03:36:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2002 03:36:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2002 03:36:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 03:36:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KOMA, Nautel & AMS Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1030 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.162 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I use the example of a phone line because IBOC on AM has about the > same amount of spectrum to work with. I don't see IBOC on AM > happening any time soon unless they forsaked all compatibility with > analog receivers to use all the BW. Currently, IBOC on AM uses a 30 kHz total bandwidth, corresponding to what an analog station with full 15 kHz audio response would use. In exchange for all that bandwidth, IBOC gives us digital audio with a bit-rate of about 36 kbps -- the same as RealAudio over a "56K" modem. On the other hand, the European system (DRM) gives 15 kHz of reasonably clear digital MONO audio from a total of 9 kHz RF bandwidth (the same as an analog station with 4.5 kHz audio bandwidth). DRM says that in the USA with the 20 kHz bandwidth allocated to analog AM, they'd be able to do digital Stereo audio with better quality than IBOC. But.... DRM is a digital-only system; it is not an analog/digital "hyrbid" like IBOC. Thus, it would be completely incompatible with regular AM radios. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jun 04 21:50:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 5 Jun 2002 04:50:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 25672 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2002 04:49:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2002 04:49:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2002 04:50:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2002 04:50:00 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 04:49:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WWW.AMSTEREORADIO.COM Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 895 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Announce: yes From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.162 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics It is now June 5th, and Ben Lennard's ownership of the www.AMStereoRadio.com domain name is now over. Is anybody set to go to take it over? If so, please do so ASAP!! Thank you. Amongst others here (I am sure), I will be glad to help out with the costs if need be. Contact me privately at kevtronics@yahoo.com if this is the case. Currently, the content of www.AMStereoRadio.com is running on its backup server which can be found at: http://www.AMStereo.s5.com/ This alternate address will continue to work even if/when www.AMStereoRadio.com becomes available again, so you can change your bookmarks and web site links to this new address without fear of having to change it again back to the original address. Kevin T. kevtronics@yahoo.com Webmaster of The Official AM Stereo Web Site http://www.AMStereo.s5.com/ http://www.AMStereoRadio.com/ (hopefully soon working again!) From dav259@csiro.au Tue Jun 04 21:59:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 5 Jun 2002 04:59:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 26679 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2002 04:59:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2002 04:59:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2002 04:59:41 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27901 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 14:59:39 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 14:59:39 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} WWW.AMSTEREORADIO.COM In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, kevtronics wrote: > It is now June 5th, and Ben Lennard's ownership of the > www.AMStereoRadio.com domain name is now over. Is anybody set to go > to take it over? If so, please do so ASAP!! Kevin - As far as I know Matt Trim has this under control ... Ian From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Jun 04 23:03:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 5 Jun 2002 06:03:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 88875 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2002 06:03:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2002 06:03:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2002 06:03:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2002 06:03:17 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 06:03:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KOMA, Nautel & AMS Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1123 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.239 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > > I use the example of a phone line because IBOC on AM has about the > > same amount of spectrum to work with. I don't see IBOC on AM > > happening any time soon unless they forsaked all compatibility with > > analog receivers to use all the BW. > > Currently, IBOC on AM uses a 30 kHz total bandwidth, corresponding to > what an analog station with full 15 kHz audio response would use. In > exchange for all that bandwidth, IBOC gives us digital audio with a > bit-rate of about 36 kbps -- the same as RealAudio over a "56K" modem. > > I guess I didn't word it very well. Consider that the airwaves are more hostile noise wise and it is a one way communication. If packets are dropped on a modem then they are re-requested until they are received. For the one way transmittion extra redundancy for forward error correction/concealment has to be built into the IBOC signal. This could very well take a full 15KHz of audio bandwidth to get a reliable data rate equivilant to the 36kbps RealAudio rate for a similar coverage to that of analog. JSG From shelswartz@yahoo.com Wed Jun 05 07:30:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: shelswartz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 5 Jun 2002 14:30:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 71225 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2002 14:30:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2002 14:30:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14903.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.225.55) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2002 14:30:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20020605143035.32748.qmail@web14903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.86.166.146] by web14903.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 Jun 2002 07:30:35 PDT Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 07:30:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} ot/Re:Streaming Service (was: KOMA, Nautel & AMS) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Shel Swartz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91652391 X-Yahoo-Profile: shelswartz The real reason is that now the poor, starving licensing agencies (BMI, ASSACP, etc.) who owe their very existence and success to Radio, are trying to charge hefty fees for every piece of music streamed online. Add to thatthe greedy announcers union(s) that want their cut as well. The Library of Congress (of all people) are working between the Radio industry and the licensing folks and will try to come up with an answer probably next month. Again, innovation is being stifled. (shel) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Jun 05 10:58:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 5 Jun 2002 17:58:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 60186 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2002 17:58:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2002 17:58:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sodium.vcn.com) (209.193.72.7) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2002 17:58:05 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.85]) by sodium.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 11:58:05 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} WWW.AMSTEREORADIO.COM Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 11:58:02 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ian and Kevin I'd be more than happy to take over the ownership if Matt isn't working on it or doesn't want to or if it's ever needed. Just keep that in mind and please let me know. I'd be willng to take care of all the fees....even register it for 3 years of whatever just to make sure we don't lose it. That's our "signature".....we have to keep that alive! Michael -----Original Message----- From: Ian Davidson [mailto:dav259@csiro.au] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 11:00 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WWW.AMSTEREORADIO.COM On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, kevtronics wrote: > It is now June 5th, and Ben Lennard's ownership of the > www.AMStereoRadio.com domain name is now over. Is anybody set to go > to take it over? If so, please do so ASAP!! Kevin - As far as I know Matt Trim has this under control ... Ian Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmdx@fastq.com Wed Jun 05 11:24:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 5 Jun 2002 18:24:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 60059 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2002 18:24:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2002 18:24:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2002 18:24:25 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d220-osel.phx.fastq.com [207.173.146.81]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g55IOOn63384 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 11:24:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <027d01c20cbd$fa4b8240$7ff9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} WWW.AMSTEREORADIO.COM Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 11:22:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Michael, I have always offered to help pay for it. I just don't know where the money goes. ...still looking for an A-100. Kevin Mesa, Arizona ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael J. Richard" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:58 AM Subject: RE: {AMSF} WWW.AMSTEREORADIO.COM > Ian and Kevin > I'd be more than happy to take over the ownership if Matt isn't working on > it or doesn't want to or if it's ever needed. Just keep that in mind and > please let me know. I'd be willng to take care of all the fees....even > register it for 3 years of whatever just to make sure we don't lose it. > That's our "signature".....we have to keep that alive! > > Michael > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ian Davidson [mailto:dav259@csiro.au] > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 11:00 PM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WWW.AMSTEREORADIO.COM > > > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, kevtronics wrote: > > > It is now June 5th, and Ben Lennard's ownership of the > > www.AMStereoRadio.com domain name is now over. Is anybody set to go > > to take it over? If so, please do so ASAP!! > > Kevin - As far as I know Matt Trim has this under control ... > > Ian > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Jun 05 11:50:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 5 Jun 2002 18:50:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 55178 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2002 18:50:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2002 18:50:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11707.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2002 18:50:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20020605185017.74354.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.33.103] by web11707.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 Jun 2002 11:50:17 PDT Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 11:50:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: O.T.:Jimmy Buffett To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <027d01c20cbd$fa4b8240$7ff9bed8@kredding430cdt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Has anyone heard that Jimmy Buffett was involved in an air accident? According to E! he was piloting a plane in Florida and it smacked into a runway sign. 73, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Jun 05 11:54:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 5 Jun 2002 18:54:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 20878 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2002 18:54:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2002 18:54:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sodium.vcn.com) (209.193.72.7) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2002 18:54:13 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.85]) by sodium.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 12:54:13 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} WWW.AMSTEREORADIO.COM Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 12:54:08 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <027d01c20cbd$fa4b8240$7ff9bed8@kredding430cdt> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin, Money goes to Internic (Network Solutions) if ya want high price.....or I've got most of my domains registered through GoDaddy. It's cheap. 10 bucks a year and works just as well. Still on the ongoing search for the A-100 myself. Everytime I'm in Salt Lake City or Ogden, I'll swing by the D.I...... "just in case" :) Hey, ya never know. I know I'm NOT going to give up....I know I'm gonna stroll in there one day and see one lying there on the shelf for $3......with no one else really knowing what the heck it is other than just another portable radio. MJR -----Original Message----- From: kevin [mailto:amfmdx@fastq.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:23 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WWW.AMSTEREORADIO.COM Michael, I have always offered to help pay for it. I just don't know where the money goes. ...still looking for an A-100. Kevin Mesa, Arizona ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael J. Richard" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:58 AM Subject: RE: {AMSF} WWW.AMSTEREORADIO.COM > Ian and Kevin > I'd be more than happy to take over the ownership if Matt isn't working on > it or doesn't want to or if it's ever needed. Just keep that in mind and > please let me know. I'd be willng to take care of all the fees....even > register it for 3 years of whatever just to make sure we don't lose it. > That's our "signature".....we have to keep that alive! > > Michael > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ian Davidson [mailto:dav259@csiro.au] > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 11:00 PM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WWW.AMSTEREORADIO.COM > > > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, kevtronics wrote: > > > It is now June 5th, and Ben Lennard's ownership of the > > www.AMStereoRadio.com domain name is now over. Is anybody set to go > > to take it over? If so, please do so ASAP!! > > Kevin - As far as I know Matt Trim has this under control ... > > Ian > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. 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All of these places you can find my station,NewsRadio 560 WGAI live online...and at www.wgai560am.com Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jun 05 17:58:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 6 Jun 2002 00:58:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 78003 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2002 00:58:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2002 00:58:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2002 00:58:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2002 00:58:45 -0000 Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 00:58:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Web site update Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 591 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.141 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Even amongst the turmoil of transferring ownership of the www.amstereoradio.com domain name, the AM Stereo Web Site has just been updated with new information and also an improved design that provides instant access to the text and links without waiting for all the pictures to load first. The AM Stereo Web Site can now be accessed at: http://www.AMStereo.s5.com/ Please update your bookmarks and web site links so that both yourself and others can continue to enjoy the AM Stereo Web Site during this period when the issues about www.amstereoradio.com are still being resolved. From groucho@skyweb.net Wed Jun 05 21:54:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 6 Jun 2002 04:54:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 41573 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2002 04:54:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2002 04:54:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2002 04:54:20 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g564vEp2031370 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 00:57:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3CFEEB23.1EC369F7@skyweb.net> Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 00:55:00 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} ot/Re:Streaming Service (was: KOMA, Nautel & AMS) References: <12d.123de583.2a2ffb44@aol.com> From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Bob what time do you get into your office I want To give you a call tomorrow.. I have a few optimod questions... Is the phone # at the bottom of the page your work # ? Neal > In a message dated 6/4/02 10:47:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > rjskadl@yahoo.com writes: > > << http://www.clicklive.com > http://www.warpradio.com > http://www.hiwire.com > http://www.imedia.net > http://www.tappedinto.com > >> > Neal....you may also want to check www.live365.com , www.shoutcast.com > and a > fairly new site that I think isnt quite up and running fully yet is > www.casterclub.com . > All of these places you can find my station,NewsRadio 560 WGAI live > online...and at www.wgai560am.com > > Bob Carter > Operations/Engineering > > WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 > Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio > > Network > > Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with > engineering > services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. > e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com > http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice > Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC > WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC > WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC > > AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- > amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com > > amstereo-subcribe@topica.com > amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > > NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS > > KC4QLP Amateur Radio > Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va > www.kc4qlp.cjb.net > > voice contact-252-335-0856 > fax 1-209-254-8978 > _______________________________________________________ > > WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, > Chapter > 5, Subchapter II, > > "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is > subject to a > download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance > of > these terms." > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------- > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereo@optushome.com.au Thu Jun 06 04:29:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@optushome.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 6 Jun 2002 11:29:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 65742 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2002 11:29:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2002 11:29:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2002 11:29:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2002 11:29:26 -0000 Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 11:29:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: www.amstereo.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 549 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "voltar_e" X-Originating-IP: 211.28.96.6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=105920058 X-Yahoo-Profile: voltar_e Hi peoples, long time no bark, i know, couldn't find the list that had all the peoples on it. I wondering, who owns the address. it's currently not resulving to anything, but is currently un-available. i'd like to get my paws on it, or see it running but unsure of the DT's. I had the alfredo lite TX transmitting over 500 Meters with 20M wire looped around my house, that same 20meters around a insulated iron rod, 5 meters, wiered. not bad, UNAIDED. I need to know, Anyone know of transmitter amp above 50 watts? thanks, voltare (matt2) From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Jun 06 17:49:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 7 Jun 2002 00:49:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 23376 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2002 00:49:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2002 00:49:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2002 00:49:46 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-166.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.166]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g570lj1G009664 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 19:47:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001901c20dbd$a0a45720$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <005d01c20c19$7228fe00$d3a9fea9@me> <3CFD7D0A.E6C83213@skyweb.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} KOMA, Nautel & AMS Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 19:52:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Was that an all digital signal or the hybrid analog/digital? ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Newman" > I find that Very interesting considering Lucent used my Harris DX-10 > for the local IBOC tests and they didn't do to well From what I was > told by my predecessor > Neal From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Jun 06 18:24:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 7 Jun 2002 01:24:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 35136 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2002 01:24:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2002 01:24:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2002 01:24:48 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-166.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.166]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g571Mk1G015562 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 20:22:48 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <008301c20dc2$857eee60$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} www.amstereo.com Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 20:27:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude If you could find a schematic for a Gates Vanguard I or Vanguard II transmitter you'd have a kilowatt to work with if you copied the circuit or could find a retired unit. Caveat- it's basically a big linear amp, throws off a lot of heat, and the tube is expensive for the average person. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "voltar_e" > I need to know, Anyone know > of transmitter amp above 50 watts? thanks, voltare (matt2) From groucho@skyweb.net Thu Jun 06 18:25:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 7 Jun 2002 01:25:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 99545 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2002 01:25:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2002 01:25:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2002 01:25:17 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g571SDp2096915 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 21:28:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D000A97.C0E150D1@skyweb.net> Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 21:21:27 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KOMA, Nautel & AMS References: <005d01c20c19$7228fe00$d3a9fea9@me> <3CFD7D0A.E6C83213@skyweb.net> <001901c20dbd$a0a45720$d3a9fea9@me> From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Scott from what I know It was hybrid both Analog and Digital But Of course a friend of Mine who did work on the Project for Lucent told me it worked very well.. the station engineer B4 me said Otherwise. Gee I wonder why I don't Believe my Friend at Lucent.... Scott Todd wrote: > Was that an all digital signal or the hybrid analog/digital? > > ST > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Neal Newman" > > > I find that Very interesting considering Lucent used my Harris DX-10 > > > for the local IBOC tests and they didn't do to well From what I > was > > told by my predecessor > > Neal > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Jun 06 19:28:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 7 Jun 2002 02:28:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 4865 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2002 02:28:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2002 02:28:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14202.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.144) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2002 02:28:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20020607022827.74484.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.190] by web14202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Jun 2002 19:28:27 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 19:28:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Where's our Website? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio dns - Where's AMSTEREORADIO.COM? Were we able to keep it? It's where I send people with AMS questions! It looks like it's gone? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From matthew.trim@eds.com Thu Jun 06 20:00:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 7 Jun 2002 03:00:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 28117 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2002 03:00:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2002 03:00:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns5.eds.com) (203.17.185.230) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2002 03:00:44 -0000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com (nnsy-3.eds.com [192.168.1.1]) by ns5.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g5730hi05191 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 13:00:43 +1000 (EST) Received: from nnsy.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5730ew08008 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 13:00:41 +1000 (EST) Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5730eE08002 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 13:00:40 +1000 (EST) Received: by AUSYM000 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 13:00:38 +1000 Message-ID: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542803F52FED@AUSYM200> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Where's our Website? Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 13:00:36 +1000 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 It's in the process of being transferred from siliconblue.com Should be up and running in a few days! Send them here in the meantime: http://www.AMStereo.s5.com/ :) -----Original Message----- From: Johnny Electron [mailto:toledohamradio@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, 7 June 2002 12:28 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Where's our Website? dns - Where's AMSTEREORADIO.COM? Were we able to keep it? It's where I send people with AMS questions! It looks like it's gone? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jun 06 22:30:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 7 Jun 2002 05:30:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 85738 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2002 05:30:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2002 05:30:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2002 05:30:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2002 05:30:47 -0000 Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 05:30:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Where's our Website? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020607022827.74484.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 649 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.68.21 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > dns - Where's AMSTEREORADIO.COM? Were we able to keep it? It's > where I send people with AMS questions! It looks like it's gone? As reported to this Forum and several Usenet Newsgroups, until things at www.amstereoradio.com get working again, the back-up address is: http://www.amstereo.s5.com Please update your bookmarks and let all interested acquaintances know about this new address. It actually has been around for several months now, as a free domain registered "just in case", and now it is proving its worth. Kevin T. kevtronics@yahoo.com Webmaster of The AM Stereo Web Site now temporarily(?) at http://www.AMStereo.s5.com From philipr@irac.pe.ca Fri Jun 07 10:07:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 7 Jun 2002 17:07:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 21634 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2002 17:07:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2002 17:07:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2002 17:07:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2002 17:07:20 -0000 Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 17:07:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Where's our Website? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542803F52FED@AUSYM200> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1662 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking I just left a post on the Ramsey website noting that the AM Stereo site has over 100,000 hits and giving a link to the http://www.AMStereo.s5.com/ link. I'm trying to get the guys and gals at Ramsey dreaming of AM Stereo microbroadcasters legally kicking out a great signal at the beach - salt water = great ground conductivity = awesome reach = AM STEREO IS COOL! Sorry, a momentary "second teenagehood"! Certainly, to the extent that any members of the Forum are interested in legal microbroadcasting, why not respond to my Ramsey post in a positive fashion? I'd love to see Chris working with Ramsey as an AM Stereo consultant and thousands of AM Stereo kits being marketed to kids from 8 to 80! It's one thing for you or me to go into the local Radio Shack asking if they have any AM Stereo radios - but if we can get teenagers talking about it in droves on the net, we will get the next generation on board. > > Send them here in the meantime: http://www.AMStereo.s5.com/ > > :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Johnny Electron [mailto:toledohamradio@y...] > Sent: Friday, 7 June 2002 12:28 PM > To: amstereoforum@y... > Subject: {AMSF} Where's our Website? > > > dns - Where's AMSTEREORADIO.COM? Were we able to keep it? It's > where I send people with AMS questions! It looks like it's gone? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From mwradio@gmx.net Fri Jun 07 19:29:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mwradio@gmx.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 8 Jun 2002 02:29:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 92735 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2002 02:29:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2002 02:29:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.dnbsi.com) (207.229.108.169) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2002 02:29:20 -0000 Received: from win98xpo466jp2 (0-1pool157-33.nas1.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net [65.128.157.33]) by smtp.dnbsi.com (Postfix) with SMTP id CC176CCF3 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 19:29:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003601c20e94$4ac15c90$219d8041@win98xpo466jp2> To: References: <20020607234119.17743gmx1@mx027-rz3.gmx.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} 2 HOT NEW YAHOO GROUPS: Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 22:29:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Joe Esposito" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=93604673 X-Yahoo-Profile: espositojm Does your "software" block the spam you just posted here! Maybe it is time to migrate the AMSF group away from Yahoo. A few Yahoo groups that I am subscribed to have moved to SmartGroups. Joe E. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 7:22 PM Subject: {AMSF} 2 HOT NEW YAHOO GROUPS: > > All the features of Yahoo groups without all the advertising: > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002 From KC4QLP@aol.com Fri Jun 07 19:39:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 8 Jun 2002 02:39:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 21130 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2002 02:39:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2002 02:39:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r04.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.100) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2002 02:39:51 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.104.16b5306b (25305) for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 22:39:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <104.16b5306b.2a32c86f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 22:39:43 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} 2 HOT NEW YAHOO GROUPS: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 6/7/02 10:30:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mwradio@gmx.net writes: << Maybe it is time to migrate the AMSF group away from Yahoo. A few Yahoo groups that I am subscribed to have moved to SmartGroups. Joe E. >> Isnt that the truth.....! Even Yahoo is currently famous for not sending me all of the post on this forum.I dont have that problem with Topica,SmartGroups ..just to name a few. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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Not much in the way of features, but makes up for it with great sound. Retailed for $225 in the early 80's, which was a lot back then for a basic tuner. One interesting feature was AM stereo (remember that?) with a separate output on the back panel." Is this really AM Stereo? What do they mean by "separate output on back panel" for the AM Stereo? Is this a good model? Keith Fornal Treasurer Dutch Island Lighthouse Society www.dutchislandlighthouse.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jun 07 21:55:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 8 Jun 2002 04:55:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 14242 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2002 04:55:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2002 04:55:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2002 04:55:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2002 04:55:29 -0000 Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 04:55:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 2 HOT NEW YAHOO GROUPS: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003601c20e94$4ac15c90$219d8041@win98xpo466jp2> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2020 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.84.9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Does your "software" block the spam you just posted here! The "spam" message has been deleted from the Forum archives. What is interesting to me is that in both of the two cases of which this group has been target of a "spam" advertisement, the people who posted these ads both went through the trouble of becoming members of the group, even thought I have it set up so that anybody with a Yahoo account can post a message here, without needing to become an actual member of the AM Stereo Forum. So, even if I made message posting only available to Forum members, that wouldn't have prevented it. > Maybe it is time to migrate the AMSF group away from Yahoo. A few > Yahoo groups that I am subscribed to have moved to SmartGroups. I did create an alternate AM Stereo Forum on www.ezboard.com during the weekend when Yahoo Groups was down for maintenance, but it received almost no interest at the time and has since been abandoned. With currently 77 members, this is *the* largest gathering of people interested in AM Stereo that has ever been on the Internet. I am also honored that this Forum has attracted the membership of people in the radio industry, from both equipment manufacturers and radio stations. We have all managed to get along well and stay mostly on-topic, even without any heavy-handed rules or actions by the Forum management (me and Chris Cuff). Thus, I think unless unforseen circumstances arrive, Yahoo Groups is still the ideal place for this Forum. Yahoo is not the best of anything, but they are well-known and well-used, and any change to a different place would be disruptive and would probably cause us to lose more members than we would gain. Kevin T. kevtronics@yahoo.com Co-Sysop of The AM Stereo Forum p.s. Anybody is welcome to become a fellow Sysop ("Moderator") of the AM Stereo Forum if you ask me privately via e-mail. It doesn't really make a difference in day-to-day use, but it does give you some extra priveleges through the Web interface. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jun 07 22:00:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 8 Jun 2002 05:00:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 35011 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2002 05:00:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2002 05:00:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2002 05:00:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2002 05:00:16 -0000 Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 05:00:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Pioneer F-5 FM/AM Stereo Tuner Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001801c20e98$9c54dba0$0401a8c0@OMNIBOOK> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 760 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.84.9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Is this really AM Stereo? What do they mean by "separate output on > back panel" for the AM Stereo? Is this a good model? The AM Stereo is not built-in. If you just use the tuner by itself, it will only be Mono on AM. What Pioneer did is give you an "AM Stereo" output jack which would allow you to hook up an external decoder box to receive AM Stereo signals -- something that Pioneer probably never built. However, you could easily add AM Stereo to it with one of Chris Cuff's decoder modules, and Chris has told me that the Pioneer F-5 in particular makes an excellent conversion to AM Stereo. The only downside is that with the digital tuning it is not going to go above 1620 kHz so you'll miss out on most of the Expanded Band stations. From cboone@earthlink.net Sat Jun 08 05:00:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cboone@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 8 Jun 2002 12:00:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 77292 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2002 12:00:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2002 12:00:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.22) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2002 12:00:27 -0000 Received: from user-0ccshq6.cable.mindspring.com ([24.206.71.70] helo=earthlink.net) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17GetO-00019F-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 08 Jun 2002 05:00:26 -0700 Message-ID: <3D01F241.CCBD1228@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 07:02:09 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 2 HOT NEW YAHOO GROUPS: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: cboone@earthlink.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173263 If you had the settings where only approved posters can post, and new members are moderated, that will stop the spam... (Im unsubing from the group anyway....besides, I am on the professional broadcast list anyway) Chris Asst CE - Liberman Broadcasting, Houston kevtronics wrote: > > > Does your "software" block the spam you just posted here! > > The "spam" message has been deleted from the Forum archives. What is > interesting to me is that in both of the two cases of which this group > has been target of a "spam" advertisement, the people who posted these > ads both went through the trouble of becoming members of the group, > even thought I have it set up so that anybody with a Yahoo account can > post a message here, without needing to become an actual member of the > AM Stereo Forum. So, even if I made message posting only available to > Forum members, that wouldn't have prevented it. > > > Maybe it is time to migrate the AMSF group away from Yahoo. A few > > Yahoo groups that I am subscribed to have moved to SmartGroups. > > I did create an alternate AM Stereo Forum on www.ezboard.com during > the weekend when Yahoo Groups was down for maintenance, but it > received almost no interest at the time and has since been abandoned. > > With currently 77 members, this is *the* largest gathering of people > interested in AM Stereo that has ever been on the Internet. I am also > honored that this Forum has attracted the membership of people in the > radio industry, from both equipment manufacturers and radio stations. > We have all managed to get along well and stay mostly on-topic, even > without any heavy-handed rules or actions by the Forum management (me > and Chris Cuff). > > Thus, I think unless unforseen circumstances arrive, Yahoo Groups is > still the ideal place for this Forum. Yahoo is not the best of > anything, but they are well-known and well-used, and any change to a > different place would be disruptive and would probably cause us to > lose more members than we would gain. > > Kevin T. > kevtronics@yahoo.com > Co-Sysop of The AM Stereo Forum > > p.s. Anybody is welcome to become a fellow Sysop ("Moderator") of the > AM Stereo Forum if you ask me privately via e-mail. It doesn't really > make a difference in day-to-day use, but it does give you some extra > priveleges through the Web interface. > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From samuel@shoalhaven.net.au Sat Jun 08 08:14:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: samuel@shoalhaven.net.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 8 Jun 2002 15:14:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 98498 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2002 15:14:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2002 15:14:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2002 15:14:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2002 15:14:03 -0000 Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 15:14:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM Stereo is very dull in Sydney Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 534 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "samuelheise" X-Originating-IP: 202.129.95.21 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42510576 X-Yahoo-Profile: samuelheise I'm here in Sydney at the moment and unfortunately there is only one station broadcasting in AM Stereo and that's talk radio 2GB 873Khz. The separation is very poor though, I've heard AM Stereo with much better separation on 2CH Easy Listening 1170Khz (when they where broadcasting in stereo). I don't understand why they (2GB) would broadcast in stereo with such poor Separation. Anybody who took the time and expense to listened to it in stereo would be very disappointed. Well at least it's better fully mono sound. Samuel From samuel@shoalhaven.net.au Sat Jun 08 08:18:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: samuel@shoalhaven.net.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 8 Jun 2002 15:18:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 59015 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2002 15:18:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2002 15:18:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2002 15:18:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2002 15:18:31 -0000 Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 15:18:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Correction Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 59 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "samuelheise" X-Originating-IP: 202.129.95.21 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42510576 X-Yahoo-Profile: samuelheise I meant to say at least it's better THAN fully mono sound. From shelswartz@yahoo.com Sat Jun 08 09:09:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: shelswartz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 8 Jun 2002 16:09:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 42685 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2002 16:09:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2002 16:09:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14902.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.225.54) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2002 16:09:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20020608160947.84094.qmail@web14902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.32.196.97] by web14902.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 08 Jun 2002 09:09:47 PDT Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 09:09:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: OZ Call letters (OT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Shel Swartz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91652391 X-Yahoo-Profile: shelswartz Always wanted to ask... here in the U.S., call letters usually stand for something, and/or for a location. Never do they include numbes. Can anyone offer a quick "translation" guide to Australian/NZ call letters? I'm somewhat facinated (thanks). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From alinton@esatclear.ie Sat Jun 08 10:15:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: alinton@esatclear.ie X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 8 Jun 2002 17:15:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 59955 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2002 17:15:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2002 17:15:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO davros) (194.145.131.42) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2002 17:15:15 -0000 Received: from Spooler by davros (Mercury/32 v3.30) ID MO00015C; 8 Jun 02 18:15:15 +0100 Received: from spooler by totalbroadcast.net (Mercury/32 v3.30); 8 Jun 02 18:15:03 +0100 Received: from fr1.esatclear.ie (192.168.0.1) by davros (Mercury/32 v3.30) with ESMTP ID MG00015B; 8 Jun 02 18:14:56 +0100 Message-Id: <5.1.1.2.2.20020608181323.00a7ef98@FR1> X-Sender: alinton@FR1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1.3 (Beta) Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 18:14:54 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Japanese car radio Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: Andy Linton X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10800314 X-Yahoo-Profile: alinton1_ie Hi all, I'm taking delivery next week of a 2nd hand Honda Prelude, direct from Japan! I wonder if the radio will have AMS? That WOULD be a nice bonus. Almost make up for the radio tuning 70-96MHz FM! rgds ----------------------------------- Andy Linton alinton@esatclear.ie Waterford, Ireland ************************************************************** Scanned by MailScan Content-Security and Anti-Virus Software. Visit http://www.mwti.net for more info on eScan and MailScan. ************************************************************** From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sat Jun 08 13:42:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 8 Jun 2002 20:42:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 50354 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2002 20:42:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2002 20:42:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2002 20:42:17 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 13:42:17 -0700 Received: from 209.240.222.130 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 08 Jun 2002 20:42:16 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} OZ Call letters (OT) Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 20:42:16 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jun 2002 20:42:17.0182 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA485FE0:01C20F2C] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.222.130] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 >Always wanted to ask... here in the U.S., call letters usually stand for something, and/or for a location. Never do they include numbes. Can anyone offer a quick "translation" guide to Australian/NZ call letters? I'm somewhat facinated (thanks). Here a quick answer until our Australian friend wake up. (it's now 6:30 Sunday morning there vs 4:30PM here on the East Coast, U.S.A.): Each of the Australian states is assigned a number, that is an internal telephone area code as well as the first digit of their postal code; this same number precedes that radio and tv call letters as well. i.e. the State of Victoria (Melbourne is the largest city in Victoria) is # 3, so all call letters in Victoria start with 3, for example 3EE, 3MP etc. donn st petersburg,fl _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Jun 08 16:56:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 8 Jun 2002 23:56:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 48739 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2002 23:56:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2002 23:56:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2002 23:56:23 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-201.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.201]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g58NsI1G026974 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 18:54:20 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <005b01c20f48$836213a0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <5.1.1.2.2.20020608181323.00a7ef98@FR1> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Japanese car radio Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 18:59:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I don't think any of us can predict whether it will or not for sure, but being exported to your part of the world, my guess would be not, unless it was built for use in Japan. It'd be nice if it does, though. Please let us know. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Linton" > I'm taking delivery next week of a 2nd hand Honda Prelude, direct from Japan! > > I wonder if the radio will have AMS? From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sat Jun 08 17:26:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 9 Jun 2002 00:26:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 59586 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2002 00:26:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2002 00:26:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2002 00:26:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2002 00:26:01 -0000 Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 00:25:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OZ Call letters (OT) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1049 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" X-Originating-IP: 217.148.40.251 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Donn Tillman" wrote: > > >Always wanted to ask... here in the U.S., call letters > usually stand for something, and/or for a location. > Never do they include numbes. Can anyone offer a > quick "translation" guide to Australian/NZ call > letters? I'm somewhat facinated (thanks). > > > Here a quick answer until our Australian friend wake up. (it's now 6:30 > Sunday morning there vs 4:30PM here on the East Coast, U.S.A.): > > Each of the Australian states is assigned a number, that is an internal > telephone area code as well as the first digit of their postal code; this > same number precedes that radio and tv call letters as well. > > i.e. the State of Victoria (Melbourne is the largest city in Victoria) is # > 3, so all call letters in Victoria start with 3, for example 3EE, 3MP etc. > > donn > st petersburg,fl > Yes the first number depends on the state ie 6 is Perth 4 Brisbane 2 Sydney etc. The same rule appliies to radio hams ie VK6ASD : Perth callsign From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jun 08 19:59:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 9 Jun 2002 02:59:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 66953 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2002 02:59:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2002 02:59:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2002 02:59:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2002 02:59:29 -0000 Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 02:59:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: spam / group policies Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D01F241.CCBD1228@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 501 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.8 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > If you had the settings where only approved posters can post, > and new members are moderated, that will stop the spam... Given the past problems that the online AM Stereo community has had with discussion group "moderators", I think those of us who have been around long enough to remember that trouble would prefer an unrestricted, unmoderated group -- like this one is -- even if it means having to deal with a "spam" message once or twice a year. Kevin T. Co-Sysop of The AM Stereo Forum From groucho@skyweb.net Sat Jun 08 20:33:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 9 Jun 2002 03:33:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 38835 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2002 03:33:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2002 03:33:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2002 03:33:26 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g593aMp2099471 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 23:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D02CBA2.585C7780@skyweb.net> Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 23:29:38 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Where's our Website? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 The one thing that's driving Me crazy is that.. I see all these AM Stereo Receivers for sale on Ebay... But No-one ever puts down If they Cover the Expanded Band.. Im still looking for an AM stereo receiver that goes up to 1700kc Neal From dav259@csiro.au Sat Jun 08 20:34:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 9 Jun 2002 03:34:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 73304 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2002 03:34:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2002 03:34:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2002 03:34:29 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10621 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 13:34:27 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 13:34:26 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} OZ Call letters (OT) In-Reply-To: <20020608160947.84094.qmail@web14902.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Sat, 8 Jun 2002, Shel Swartz wrote: > Always wanted to ask... here in the U.S., call letters > usually stand for something, and/or for a location. > Never do they include numbes. Can anyone offer a > quick "translation" guide to Australian/NZ call > letters? I'm somewhat facinated (thanks). On Sat, 8 Jun 2002, Donn Tillman wrote: > Here a quick answer until our Australian friend wake up. (it's now 6:30 > Sunday morning there vs 4:30PM here on the East Coast, U.S.A.): Shel - Donn is correct. And why you in North America don't use numbers is a mystery to me. You seem to just have "W" or "K" to indicate what side of the US the station is on. And that can mean an AM station, an FM station, or TV station. In my view - stupid. In Oz - the stations line up with our postcodes (your zips). I believe the number 1 is restricted, and could be used for the defense force if need be. 2 means New South Wales - 3 means Victoria - 4 means Queensland - 5 means South Australia - 6 means Western Australia - 7 means Tasmania - and 8 means Northern Territory. Similarly in NZ - 1 means top half of the North Island (Aukland) - 2 means south half of the North Island (Wellington - the Capital) - 3 means top half of the South Island (Christchurch) - and 4 means southern half of the South Island (Dunedin). What could be simpler? - except in the States if you used this system you'd have double digit numbers. eg. KOFI in Montana might have to be 23KFI. But here in Oz the call letters (which we call the callsign) actually indicates what the broadcaster is about. If it's an AM radio station it has the State number plus two letters. eg. 3MP - which means Victoria - Mornington Penisular If it's an FM radio station it has the State number plus three letters. eg. 2DAY - (clever) a Sydney station cashing in on the "To" And our TV stations have a similar system - except its three letters - the last being the State name - followed by the channel it transmits on. eg. HSV7 meaning The Herald, The Sun, (newspapers) and V for Victoria. or NEW10 - another clever name - the last W meaning Western Australia - and it is the newest TV station in Perth, WA. At least in Oz when you hear a callsign you immediately know what it is. But going back to Donn's sutuation they - at Tampa Bay - have the NBC call letters WFLA. I believe these letters mean Ch 8 on TV, and an AM radio station - plus an FM station. After all these years that seems a bit poor. I feel that our call letter system is much superior. Thereagain we haven't nearly the number of outlets. What I'm trying to say is that the number really helps. Ian - Melbourne From groucho@skyweb.net Sat Jun 08 20:36:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 9 Jun 2002 03:36:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 35291 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2002 03:36:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2002 03:36:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2002 03:36:18 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g593dEp2099680 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 23:39:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D02CC4E.AF9355BD@skyweb.net> Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 23:32:30 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Where's our Website? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Just For fun... (still waiting For the Right channel Line to be installed) I think I am going to turn On the pilot Light and Leave it On ... starting Sunday June 9.... will Need some reports.... Neal Newman-CE WTTM From shelswartz@yahoo.com Sat Jun 08 21:18:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: shelswartz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 9 Jun 2002 04:18:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 89419 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2002 04:18:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2002 04:18:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14902.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.225.54) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2002 04:18:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20020609041852.53553.qmail@web14902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.86.170.160] by web14902.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 08 Jun 2002 21:18:52 PDT Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 21:18:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} OZ Call letters (OT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Shel Swartz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91652391 X-Yahoo-Profile: shelswartz I would think that numbers would mix people up with the station frequency, so I'm glad the North Anerican stations use only call letters; not numbers. If say an AM station hs an FM station with the same call letters, it must add "FM" so for example, WXXX's FM would be WXXX-FM. Same thing with a TV station. It can work any way you want; if a TV station is WTVS and it opens an AM station, the TV station would become WTVS-TV. You can have the FM extension and the TV extension, but you can't have WXXX-AM. If we had to have numbers, we couldn't call KFI on 640 kHz in Los Angeles "64KFI" as the station did for years as a Top 40 station. Imagine, say, 33KFI, 640 on your dial? That would drive listeners crazy, and people filling out Ratings diaries would be confused, as many stations could have the 33 prefix. In North America, a certain block of "C" calls belongs to Canada (I think CAAA-CKLL) and the rest belong to Cuba... at least some of the rest. Here, we often use call letters to mean something. Like WORC/Worcester stands for the city it is licensed to, Worcester, Massachusetts. I like that. But I am, as I said, intrigued by the use of numbers in some countries. I do NOT like stations that use simply "Radio ______" instead of call letters. I think that's the way it's done in some countries, and of course, illegal stations do that as well. So I don't think our system is stupid, any more than I think other countries' systems are "stupid;" I simply have preferences. I don't like to call people names. We are all different and just need to communicate like adults, in order to learn the best of all worlds and become friends. There is an exception base of fans in Australia and NZ, and I found this one years ago: http://www.wave.co.nz/~azza/retro1xx.htm It is so good, I have linked it from our 5-year old site, http://wrko.org. I wish I knew of other such sites from down under. :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jun 08 23:25:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 9 Jun 2002 06:25:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 33101 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2002 06:25:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2002 06:25:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2002 06:25:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2002 06:25:43 -0000 Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 06:25:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Where's our Website? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D02CC4E.AF9355BD@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 312 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.8 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Just For fun... (still waiting For the Right channel Line to be > installed) > I think I am going to turn On the pilot Light and Leave it On ... > starting Sunday > June 9.... > will Need some reports.... I'm right here in NJ (Somerset County) and I will surely enjoy hearing a "Stereo" signal from WTTM! From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Jun 09 01:00:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 9 Jun 2002 08:00:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 68621 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2002 08:00:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2002 08:00:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2002 08:00:08 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.43]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.224) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 03:59:25 -0400 Message-ID: <001301c20f8b$c3f0bc80$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <3D02CBA2.585C7780@skyweb.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Where's our Website? Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 04:00:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Neal, and anyone else interested- The best receiver to look for is any Kenwood model before the 2002 model year. The models to search for are any VR2080, VR2090, VR3080, VR3090, VR4080, VR4090 (if you want Dolby digital/DTS as well) NOTE!- any Kenwood beginning with a VR5*** does NOT have support for stereo! (VR405, etc, are also ams compatible, just not surround) I have kits for converting these, as well as complete tuner boards ready to install, for those that hate SMD work. These receivers were designed for AM Stereo- The tuners have the place on the board for the stereo components, and the "stereo" indicator works on both am and fm when done. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Neal Newman From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Jun 09 01:02:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 9 Jun 2002 08:02:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 8913 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2002 08:02:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2002 08:02:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2002 08:02:49 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.43]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.224) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 04:02:07 -0400 Message-ID: <001901c20f8c$245b5a80$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: spam / group policies Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 04:03:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I will agree completely with Kevin- I removed the first spammer right after his first post, and there really is no way to stop "some" spam. Indeed, I delete about 30 spams a day from email NOT involved with any list. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics > Given the past problems that the online AM Stereo community has had > with discussion group "moderators", I think those of us who have been > around long enough to remember that trouble would prefer an > unrestricted, unmoderated group -- like this one is -- even if it > means having to deal with a "spam" message once or twice a year. From alinton@esatclear.ie Sun Jun 09 05:37:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: alinton@esatclear.ie X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 9 Jun 2002 12:37:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 46696 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2002 12:37:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2002 12:37:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO davros) (194.165.160.226) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2002 12:37:20 -0000 Received: from Spooler by davros (Mercury/32 v3.30) ID MO0001CE; 9 Jun 02 13:37:21 +0100 Received: from spooler by totalbroadcast.net (Mercury/32 v3.30); 9 Jun 02 13:37:01 +0100 Received: from fr1.esatclear.ie (192.168.0.1) by davros (Mercury/32 v3.30) with ESMTP ID MG0001CD; 9 Jun 02 13:36:58 +0100 Message-Id: <5.1.1.2.2.20020609133523.02f1bb10@FR1> X-Sender: alinton@FR1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1.3 (Beta) Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 13:36:57 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Japanese car radio In-Reply-To: <005b01c20f48$836213a0$d3a9fea9@me> References: <5.1.1.2.2.20020608181323.00a7ef98@FR1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: Andy Linton X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10800314 X-Yahoo-Profile: alinton1_ie At 18:59 08/06/2002 -0500, you wrote: >I don't think any of us can predict whether it will or not for sure, but >being exported to your part of the world, my guess would be not, unless it >was built for use in Japan. It'd be nice if it does, though. Please let us >know. > Well that's the point! This is a JApanese Domestic Market car, driven last by a Japanese person. They normally have good stereos fitted, incl. CD players, but I will be interested to see if its AMS. The car comes off the ship tomorrow, so I'll let you know! rgds ----------------------------------- Andy Linton alinton@esatclear.ie Waterford, Ireland ************************************************************** Scanned by MailScan Content-Security and Anti-Virus Software. Visit http://www.mwti.net for more info on eScan and MailScan. ************************************************************** From shelswartz@yahoo.com Sun Jun 09 08:06:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: shelswartz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 9 Jun 2002 15:06:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 93790 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2002 15:06:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2002 15:06:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14904.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.225.56) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2002 15:06:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20020609150627.3455.qmail@web14904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.86.172.199] by web14904.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 09 Jun 2002 08:06:27 PDT Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 08:06:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: spam / group policies To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001901c20f8c$245b5a80$0101a8c0@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Shel Swartz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91652391 X-Yahoo-Profile: shelswartz Here's how I have kept loads of spammers and sex-sellers out of my lists for years, to help you: 1. I approve all members first. An e-mail address such as "183sdj2@hotmail.com" is an obvious phony, and as such I simply deny membership. Nobody has ever complained, so I must have been on target. 2. ALL members, before they are approved, must respond to an e-mail I send them within 24 or so hours. That e-mail states that as part of the approval process, I want them to respond to the e-mail (the e-mail states no conditions; I am simply testing the pending member's e-mail address). I they don't respond, I delete them. 3. I check their parameters. While I realize that not everyone wants to receive e-mail all the time, it is very suspicious why one would want to join a list yet immediately have the "no e-mail" setting turned on. When I see that, it's obvious to me what they are up to, at which time I simply remove them from the list. When people sign up, they receive a list of rules from me, prohibitging spam and profanity, but the list also bans that "no e-mail" setting. Nobody has been able to truly justify that setting for me yet. So upon their acceptance as a member, ifthey violate any rules, I delete them without further notice. 4. ALL spammers that manage to get through are traced and reported to their ISP and/or their Website hosting company for prompt disposition. Most have had their accounts deleted. But the ones from third-world countries simply ignore American requests. I enjoy maintaining my lists and my members enjoy the lack of spammers and other children who enjoy using obscenities and personal attacks. There are plenty of lists that will accept them - but not mine. The days of political correctness and excuses are over! :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Jun 09 11:07:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 9 Jun 2002 18:06:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 72566 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2002 18:06:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2002 18:06:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.7) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2002 18:06:58 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.137.f50e96f (4225); Sun, 9 Jun 2002 14:06:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <137.f50e96f.2a34f337@aol.com> Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 14:06:47 EDT Subject: Updates to Eric's Web Site To: RealDX@yahoogroups.com Cc: wtfda@topica.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, irca@topica.com, SWpirates@yahoogroups.com, scannernuts@yahoogroups.com, shortwavedxing@yahoogroups.com, Scanner-Radio@yahoogroups.com, dxersofmissouriandillinois@yahoogroups.com, stlouisscannerenthusiasts@yahoogroups.com, swfmtvdx@yahoogroups.com, scanner-antenna@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih I have finally updated my Web site! New on the site: -Logs from the fall of 2001 and the winter of 2002 on AM and SW -An updated NOAA Weather Radio DX logbook for 2001 -Logs of my F2 and E-skip unIDs on the low VHF public service bands -An updated St. Louis Offenders of The (Stereo) Faith page -An updated link to my discussion group. To have a look at these changes, go to http://www.qsl.net/n0uih/ 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jun 09 11:53:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 9 Jun 2002 18:53:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 26251 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2002 18:53:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2002 18:53:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2002 18:53:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2002 18:53:00 -0000 Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 18:53:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: spam / group policies Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020609150627.3455.qmail@web14904.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1169 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.77.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > it is very suspicious why one would want to join a list yet > immediately have the "no e-mail" setting turned on. Hey, I created this group, and I have it set to "no e-mail" for me (actually, "special messages only", which is basically the same thing because only Sysops can send special messages). Why? Because I read all the messages on the Yahoo Groups web site, which is much easier and more convenient than dealing with e-mail. The web interface acts more like an interactive forum on CompuServe or Delphi, and that's why I named this the AM Stereo Forum. Also, I have found the way to stop being interrupted by ads when using the Yahoo Groups web interface... if you have an external modem, look at the lights flashing when you are receiving a message. Normally it will read the upcoming message in one shot. But when it stops halfway and then starts again, that means Yahoo is about to show you a "Continue to message..." advertisement. So, after the second burst of blinking modem lights starts, hit Escape to stop the loading (before it finishes), and then click the message link again. Bingo, you go right to the message with no ad! From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Jun 09 16:05:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 9 Jun 2002 23:05:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 4612 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2002 23:05:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2002 23:05:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2002 23:05:58 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-119.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.119]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g59N3q1G012313 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 18:03:53 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001b01c2100a$a4c6bb00$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <3D02CBA2.585C7780@skyweb.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Where's our Website? Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 18:08:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I share your frustration, but a good rule of thumb is if it was made 1990 or before it almost definitely doesn't. There were a few radios made in 91 that did, but just a comparative handful. 1993 and later should all have EB because the FCC mandated it. Of course, if it's an analog radio you can usually tweak it to cover the EB with some sacrifice in dial calibration. When in doubt, ask the seller. I'm sure few posting these even know about the extra channels. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Newman" > The one thing that's driving Me crazy is that.. I see all these AM > Stereo Receivers for sale on Ebay... But No-one ever puts down If they > Cover the Expanded Band.. From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Jun 09 16:17:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 9 Jun 2002 23:17:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 9037 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2002 23:17:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2002 23:17:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2002 23:17:04 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-119.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.119]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g59NEv1G013344 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 18:14:59 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004101c2100c$31b9b020$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: spam / group policies Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 18:20:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Another case could be a high traffic message service such as the Radio-tech forum at broadcast.net. I'd be overwhelmed with messages, most of which would be of little use to me, so I only read them online. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevtronics" > Hey, I created this group, and I have it set to "no e-mail" for me > (actually, "special messages only", which is basically the same thing > because only Sysops can send special messages). Why? Because I read > all the messages on the Yahoo Groups web site, which is much easier > and more convenient than dealing with e-mail. From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Jun 09 16:21:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 9 Jun 2002 23:21:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 14612 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2002 23:21:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2002 23:21:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2002 23:21:43 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-119.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.119]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g59NJb1G013791 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 18:19:38 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004b01c2100c$d84be660$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020609041852.53553.qmail@web14902.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} OZ Call letters (OT) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 18:24:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Not quite- Canada only has CB-- (primarily used by CBC and its affiliates), and CF through CK. Cuba is primarily CM--. CN is Morrocco, IIRC. Don't know about the rest. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shel Swartz" > In North America, a certain block of "C" calls belongs > to Canada (I think CAAA-CKLL) and the rest belong to > Cuba... at least some of the rest. From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun Jun 09 16:37:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 9 Jun 2002 23:37:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 20346 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2002 23:37:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2002 23:37:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2002 23:37:22 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d60-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.92]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g59NbKn70266 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 16:37:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <01bc01c2100e$6d8deec0$38f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: Subject: Comments wanted on IBOC at the FCC Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 16:36:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Heres your chance to comment about IBOC. http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi This is the URL. The Docket is 99-325 put this in the docket box and fill out the rest. If you don't comment, then you get what you deserve. Kevin Mesa, Arizona This message has been composed of recycled electrons. None of these electrons has been harmed or injured in the creation and transmission of this message but they have been shamelessly exploited for this use. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jun 09 18:47:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 10 Jun 2002 01:47:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 34183 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2002 01:47:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2002 01:47:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2002 01:47:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2002 01:47:41 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 01:47:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OZ Call letters (OT) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004b01c2100c$d84be660$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 915 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.11 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Not quite- Canada only has CB-- (primarily used by CBC and its > affiliates), and CF through CK. Cuba is primarily CM--. CN is > Morrocco, IIRC. Canada also has VO--, left over from when Newfoundland was its own country. Is VOCM the only one of these left? I don't recall any others... the cut-off date for VO-- calls was 1948, I believe. However, call signs starting with V (mostly VE...) are still used by amateur radio operators in Canada. In addition to K and W, the USA also has calls starting with N and a part of A, but these are only used for ham radio operators (like me, I'm N2WTO) and other two-way communications services. Anyway, I think the American call sign system is fine as-is... AM, FM, and TV stations still have to give the "legal ID" at roughly the top of each hour, unlike Canada where it is only required once a day, and many other countries don't use call signs at all. From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun Jun 09 19:03:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 10 Jun 2002 02:03:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 86644 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2002 02:03:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2002 02:03:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2002 02:03:51 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt ([207.173.147.249]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g5A23nn73546 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 19:03:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <022c01c21022$db459c60$38f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: The real reason for N and A calls [ off topic ] Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 19:02:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Kevin, Did you file your comments with the FCC on docket 99-325? http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi Now to the topic at hand of call signs.... > In addition to K and W, the USA > also has calls starting with N and a part of A, but these are only > used for ham radio operators (like me, I'm N2WTO) and other two-way > communications services. This is ignoring the real reason for N and A calls. There are a lot of ham ops with N and A calls but.... The real reason is that Navy and Army units have 4 letter call signs. Navy has N signs and I was on USS Cavalla which had the call of NGYH. We were called by NAA and NSS from Cutler, Maine and Annapolis, Maryland. The Army uses A call signs as does the USAF. The Marines and Coast Guard also use N signs. The calls look just like any commercial station with 3 or 4 letter calls. Now be a good boy and go make your comments on IBOC if you haven't already. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From dav259@csiro.au Sun Jun 09 19:18:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 10 Jun 2002 02:18:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 45187 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2002 02:18:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2002 02:18:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2002 02:18:19 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA12390 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 12:18:17 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 12:18:17 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} OZ Call letters (OT) In-Reply-To: <20020609041852.53553.qmail@web14902.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Sat, 8 Jun 2002, Shel Swartz wrote: > I would think that numbers would mix people up with > the station frequency, so I'm glad the North Anerican > stations use only call letters; not numbers. Shel - you may be right as more and more stations are not using their official call letters here. The loose chain of ABC (govt owned) metropolitan stations are now identifying themselves not as 2BL, 3LO, 4QR, 5AN, 6WF etc - but as "774 ABC Melbourne", or 612 ABC Brisbane, etc. - a true mouthful. Most of the 3LO listeners still call it 3LO on air but the announcers are not allowed to (at least at the moment). 3LO's callsign originated in the late 1920s and was a variation of 2LO in London, UK. It's reported that in the 30s those announcing on 3LO had to wear dinner suits whilst on air after 7:00 pm to psych them into posh mode. 3EE broadcasts here as Magic 693. And similarly Melbourne's oldest station "the Greater 3UZ" now calls itself Sport 927. As Magic was born from the remnants of 1422 "me too 3XY" - and since 1993 had a new callsign and frequency - it doesn't matter. 3XY had died. Indeed 3XY is again living on the 1422 frequency as community station "Radio Hellas". But in 3UZ's case it's tragic that the callsign is momentarily lost. But I would think it will return. Since calling itself "Sport 927" the ratings haven't altered - and it's still listed on the ABA controlling site as 3UZ - and in the white and yellow pages is listed as being owned by 3UZ Pty Ltd. I suppose we get used to what we were brought up with and understand. Ian - Melbourne From dav259@csiro.au Sun Jun 09 20:37:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 10 Jun 2002 03:37:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 11498 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2002 03:37:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2002 03:37:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2002 03:37:42 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12529; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 13:37:40 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 13:37:40 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Cc: David Mitchell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: spam / group policies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Sun, 9 Jun 2002, Shel Swartz wrote: > > it is very suspicious why one would want to join a list yet > > immediately have the "no e-mail" setting turned on. On Sun, 9 Jun 2002, kevtronics wrote: > Hey, I created this group, and I have it set to "no e-mail" for me > (actually, "special messages only", which is basically the same thing > because only Sysops can send special messages). Why? Because I read > all the messages on the Yahoo Groups web site, which is much easier > and more convenient than dealing with e-mail. Hey - we are a real fruit salad here. Some want individual messages and no spam - others may like the digest version - others just to read live from the web. Maybe cause I pretty much use plain text Pine the ads simply don't bother me - they are all at the bottom. I just ignore them. Kevin - you (and Chris) are doing a great job - and the last thing we want is a moderated/closed list. There are too few of us already. I had to do a fair bit of grovelling to get onto Dennis' new list - but I don't regret it as it's really nice to see some stuff from Darwin, Gene, and even Dennis himself (anyhoo). Yo! for the day when we all pull together for the sake of the cause. We don't need "closed" (you could say "boutique" invitation only) lists like Dennis' new one. We need every person who has a passion for the cause. And the AM stereo forum is the go - warts, adverts, and all. The "amstereoradio" site seems to be up and going again - and this is great. Thanks Kevin for hosting it and getting it up to date. Dave Mitchell has got a great AM stereo web streaming site going ... For Real Player the url is: http://musicandvideo.myftpsite.net/musicandvideo.ram For Windows Media the url is: http://musicandvideo.myftpsite.net/musicandvideo.asx If anything can demostrate the performance reality of AM stereo this is the site to log in to. In AM Stereo Unity ... Ian IAAAS Melbourne From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun Jun 09 20:40:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 10 Jun 2002 03:40:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 27127 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2002 03:40:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2002 03:40:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2002 03:40:43 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d59-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.91]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g5A3egn75706 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 20:40:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <028401c21030$566db460$38f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: Subject: KRLD Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 20:38:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Guys, its so great to see KRLD 1080 in Dallas back in stereo. Yeah its just the news and stuff but hey I have LA on 1070 with KNX news and KRLD 1080 with Dallas news and Texas Ranger baseball. The games just seem to jump right out at you and you feel like you are at the game. Its so awesome to see someone turn it on without anyone begging them to fire it back up. ...ahhhh yes, sometimes life actually is good. Kevin Mesa, Arizona This message has been composed of recycled electrons. None of these electrons has been harmed or injured in the creation and transmission of this message but they have been shamelessly exploited for this use. From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun Jun 09 20:45:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 10 Jun 2002 03:45:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 9121 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2002 03:45:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2002 03:45:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2002 03:45:09 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d59-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.91]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g5A3j8n75772 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 20:45:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <029201c21030$f4323180$38f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Fruit salad / IBOC Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 20:43:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Hey - we are a real fruit salad here. Some want individual messages and > no spam - others may like the digest version - others just to read live > from the web. I want to see all the Americans on the list send a comment on IBOC. I would like the Canadians to put something on there too saying that they are worried about adjacent channel interference from US IBOC stations should they come on. > I had to do a fair bit of grovelling to get onto Dennis' new list - but I > don't regret it as it's really nice to see some stuff from Darwin, Gene, > and even Dennis himself (anyhoo). Dennis finally got a list going? Is there many on the list? Kevin Mesa, Arizona From dav259@csiro.au Sun Jun 09 22:04:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 10 Jun 2002 05:04:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 65253 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2002 05:04:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2002 05:04:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2002 05:04:49 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12705; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:04:46 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:04:46 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Cc: Dennis Falk , David Mitchell , , Darwin Long Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fruit salad / IBOC In-Reply-To: <029201c21030$f4323180$38f9bed8@kredding430cdt> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Sun, 9 Jun 2002, kevin wrote: > Dennis finally got a list going? Is there many on the list? No Kevin - there are about 14 - though I am glad to be there. I know there are many egos involved - butt! it is just a shame that we all don't seem to pull together. The cause should be bigger than the individual. We all (ie. some of us) make mistakes - I certainly have - for what I believe are the right reasons. You too - as well as "you know who you are". But here we are on KT's list (with Chris' blessing). I feel we should really try and make this work. And KT is publicly doing wonders for the cause - particularly with the amstereoradio web sit. Let us all fight for the one cause. And in saying this I may be naive. In two days time I will have been on an AMS list (thanks to Alex!) for two years. There have been rocky areas on the lists since my day #1. But I persisted ... as I will continue to do. I joined Bryan's list as Alex advised - and after some time I loved Dennis' idea of the IAAAS - and went for it 110%. I didn't want Dennis to create a new list - but due to some list happenings he did. Naturally I joined and supported it. And it seems Bryan was lost to the cause. Does anyone know what's happened to Bryan? (It really doesn't matter to me as I saw no enthusiasm there.) But in Dennis' case - I have seen nothing else but enthusiasm! I miss Dennis in the mainstream. I've talked to him - and he's 110% behind AMS. For those of you deeply embracing the cause why not join "Dennis' (stupidly named in my view) AM Stereo list". To subscribe to the list, send a message to: amstereo@bellsouth.net In the Subject put the word "Subscribe" (without the quote marks). We need everyone and anyone supporting our cause ... Ian IAAAS Melbourne From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Jun 09 22:16:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 10 Jun 2002 05:16:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 71098 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2002 05:16:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2002 05:16:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11705.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2002 05:16:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20020610051633.12585.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.33.103] by web11705.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 09 Jun 2002 22:16:33 PDT Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 22:16:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WICC story To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <12d.123de583.2a2ffb44@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio By SCOTT FYBUSH *For years, we've pointed to WICC (600) in Bridgeport, CONNECTICUT as an example of full-service radio at its best - music, news and talk all combined to create a top-rated, locally-responsive AM radio station. As of this morning (Monday), that's history. WICC eliminated its weekday music as part of a station overhaul that includes new sounders and the station's first jingles in nearly a decade. John LaBarca stays in mornings with Tim Quinn, but now it's purely a news/talk block, followed by an hour of talk with Quinn at 9 and two hours of the syndicated Neal Boortz show from 10 until noon, replacing the Terry Michaels midday show (Michaels has left the station, we're told, but will do fill-in work at other Cumulus stations in the region) Chris Conley will still do an hour of news at noon, but now that's followed by the syndicated Clark Howard show from 1 until 4. Fred Ebert remains on the schedule from 4-7 PM, followed by Yankees baseball or Laura Ingraham's syndicated show. We'll be sorry to see WICC turn into a more typical 21st century medium-market AM station; we still think there's room for a full-service format in this day and age. Wonder if stereo's next. 73, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From groucho@skyweb.net Sun Jun 09 22:17:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 10 Jun 2002 05:17:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 78018 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2002 05:17:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2002 05:17:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2002 05:17:46 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g5A5Kfp2020292 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 01:20:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D043599.DD8219@skyweb.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 01:14:01 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WTTM References: <01bc01c2100e$6d8deec0$38f9bed8@kredding430cdt> From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey guys... its 1:07 am monday Morning.. I just got home From doing some Minor adjustments.... (as of 10:30 Pm) ...If you will Notice the little red light in the corner of your receivers You will Now Notice that WTTM has a pilot Light LOL..... and If all goes as planed by July 4th weekend it should be 100% Stereo... Neal Newman Chief Engineer and pilot light maker.... WTTM1680 AM Princeton,NJ Americas Largest South Asian Music, News ,Talk, Station kevin wrote: > Heres your chance to comment about IBOC. > > http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi > > This is the URL. > > The Docket is 99-325 put this in the docket box and fill out the rest. > > If you don't comment, then you get what you deserve. > > Kevin > Mesa, Arizona > This message has been composed of recycled electrons. None of these > electrons has been harmed or injured in the creation and transmission > of > this message but they have been shamelessly exploited for this use. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun Jun 09 22:22:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 10 Jun 2002 05:22:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 7164 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2002 05:22:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2002 05:22:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2002 05:22:15 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d59-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.91]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g5A5MEn77066 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 22:22:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <032301c2103e$b31f87c0$38f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <01bc01c2100e$6d8deec0$38f9bed8@kredding430cdt> <3D043599.DD8219@skyweb.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTM Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 22:21:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > .If you will Notice the little red > light in the corner of your receivers You will Now Notice that WTTM has > a pilot Light LOL..... and If all goes as planed > by July 4th weekend it should be 100% Stereo... Three cheers for Neal! Now go file your comments and you will be given the Hero of the Revolution medal! I really am glad to see another station go stereo. Kevin From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun Jun 09 22:25:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 10 Jun 2002 05:25:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 92808 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2002 05:25:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2002 05:25:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2002 05:25:06 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d59-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.91]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g5A5P4n77109 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 22:25:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <032f01c2103f$1848bf40$38f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <01bc01c2100e$6d8deec0$38f9bed8@kredding430cdt> <3D043599.DD8219@skyweb.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTM Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 22:24:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Neal, I hope you don't mind that I shared this news with another mail list. They will be overjoyed to hear about this! Kevin Mesa, Arizona ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Newman" To: Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 10:14 PM Subject: {AMSF} WTTM > Hey guys... its 1:07 am monday Morning.. I just got home From doing > some Minor From rjskadl@yahoo.com Sun Jun 09 22:36:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 10 Jun 2002 05:36:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 76596 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2002 05:36:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2002 05:36:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2002 05:36:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2002 05:36:43 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 05:36:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WICC story Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020610051633.12585.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1298 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl > WICC eliminated its weekday > music as part of a station > overhaul that includes new > sounders and the station's first > jingles in nearly a decade. This is terrible news! First they killed Y-107, Then they dumped the 7'oclock 70's from WALK, now they are F*cking up WICC! What is next? This really bothers me. I am really beginning to hate Friggin radio. It just plain sucks lately. I guess I'll have to change my presets again. On second thought, that whole XM thing is sounding better, or maybe I'll just do the Tape and CD thing like every other normal person does. I just sent Chriss Cuff a radio so he can modify it for AMS specifically so I could hear WICC. I hope they go down. What a bunch of losers this Cumulous group. In case you all haven't figured it out I am truly Pissed and rest assured that the not so good folks over at cumulonimbus are going to be hearing from me, and probably tons of other irate people come Monday. These dumbass corporate bigwigs just don't get it. At least there is still hope that WLUX will get the stereo turned back on. I think this BS with WICC dumping the music will be the catalyst that gets the WLUX engineers to finally get the AMS turned back on. Syndicated Talk on WICC's Middays. What a Waste. -Rusty From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jun 09 22:46:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 10 Jun 2002 05:46:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 10949 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2002 05:46:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2002 05:46:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2002 05:46:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2002 05:46:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 05:46:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC comments to FCC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <022c01c21022$db459c60$38f9bed8@kredding430cdt> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 912 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.11 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Now be a good boy and go make your comments on IBOC if you haven't > already. I checked out the PDF file of the document that that Docket number is referring to, and it only refers to the *FM* version of IBOC.... so in this case, any comments about *AM* IBOC sent to the given address would probably not be taken into consideration. For FM IBOC, the main thing to complain about is that it "splatters" onto adjacent channels. For example, an FM IBOC signal on "102.7" actually extends from 102.6 to 102.8 MHz, so if you have any semi-distant signals on the adjacent channels of 102.5 or 102.9 that you listen to, they will likely be wiped out by a buzzing or hissing noise. New York City area listeners experienced this while 102.7 WNEW-FM was testing IBOC... on 102.5 I heard a distinct raspy buzzing noise, and I noticed my reception of 102.9 WMGK from Philadelphia wasn't as good as normal. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jun 09 22:57:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 10 Jun 2002 05:57:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 93465 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2002 05:57:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2002 05:57:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2002 05:57:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2002 05:57:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 05:57:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Proud to be WWW.AMSTEREORADIO.COM Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 373 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.11 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics As Ian pointed out, www.AMStereoRadio.com is now back online! Many thanks to whoever is responsible! It is great to see it back "on the air", now with nearly 103,000 visitors recorded. The backup address of http://AMStereo.s5.com will continue to exist, but http://www.amstereoradio.com is now a direct link, with no more annoying four-second delay. Thanks again! From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Jun 10 00:53:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 10 Jun 2002 07:53:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 29383 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2002 07:53:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2002 07:53:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2002 07:53:29 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.41]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.224) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 03:52:51 -0400 Message-ID: <003401c21054$00e80c60$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WICC story Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 03:54:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I share the feeling- this really sickens me. I cannot for the life of me figure out why they would f*** with success? Bone headed jerks. Russell, you're right- guess I will go check out XM radios..... CC ----- Original Message ----- From: rjskadl > > WICC eliminated its weekday > > This is terrible news! First they killed Y-107, Then they dumped the > 7'oclock 70's from WALK, now they are F*cking up WICC! From philipr@irac.pe.ca Mon Jun 10 05:22:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 10 Jun 2002 12:22:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 32975 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2002 12:22:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2002 12:22:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2002 12:22:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2002 12:22:14 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 12:22:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: WICC Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3361 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Here we go again! With CKCL 600 Truro having gone dark, only to return as CKTY [Kat Kountry - yes, I kid you not! - Sure I like cats, but this station is ridiculous! with all the meowing and all]I was able to tune in WICC from time to time here in PEI. I really liked the format - information, entertainment, music and talk. Thank goodness for skywaves! However, we take you now live to the WICC Board meeting held a couple weeks ago: "Ladies and gentlemen - we have a successful, unique format with good ratings. Because of our unique format, our salespeople can effectively market us as a niche broadcaster. The consultants say we're old fashioned, sort of like CFJX, CCFY, CBKW, and CCJB used to be in the good old days. But hey - We're doing well! Our loyal listeners all love us. We've got our unique format to ourselves, and ad revenue is GREAT! But, our head office consultant says, we're doing it all wrong. We should follow the crowd and be a "me too" talk station [modify as necessary, a "me too" Lite Rock station with voicetracks or a 100% sat feed cranking out bubble-gum pop]. Our Consultant says with our new strategy, we have a 2% chance of becoming #1 in our market! Isn't that exciting! [Of course, an independent market researcher said we would have an 8% chance of breaking even, a 2% chance of being profitable, and a 90% of losing big bucks - but I believe our CONSULTANT over my own instincts and an independent market researcher]. Besides, I like to hand pick the people for the focus group interviews. Nothing like having 'real people' confirm what our Consultant [please bow] says! Besides, when we do poorly in the ratings, its a great excuse to fire the staff. Sort of like the stunt they did at Mutant X Broadcasting Co., where they fired a veteran jock who did the evening teeny-bopper run playing the music the kids wanted to hear. Sort of a Canadian cousin Brucie - only the wise management sent him a 4 page memo every time he used good creative clean humour. Steamroller his creativity! Such a good setup! But that wasn't enough. What to do, what to do? Drive the kids away by making him play sleepy time elevator music, blame the bad ratings on him, not the music, hiring a new jock fresh out of high school to appeal to the teens. [Break the union at the same time. Save money on the salary to - gee, they saved a whole $7000!Of course, Mutant X makes the new jock play wall to wall Celine Dion too because they know teens hate Pink and love Celine! Now all the kids are listening to CLAW FM. Ladies and gentlemen - back to WICC - and my apologies for digressing. Our goal is to become as successful [cough, sputter] as, er, CNFB that Canadian powerhouse on 550khz that went dark a few years ago! Their secret - react to competition by overreacting. So a 100kw FM station goes on the air 60 miles away? With a sputtery signal? Lots of picket fencing? Chicken Little Broadcasting Ltd. reacts: The sky is falling, the sky is falling, fire the staff. Hire some bozos and make sure your ratings plumet. That way, Ladies and gentlemen, you will have your FLUNKIES to blame it all on!" Sad that radio has come to this. Thought for the day: What can we do to make radio great again? Phil (in a land where AM radio is threatened with extinction) From shelswartz@yahoo.com Mon Jun 10 07:06:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: shelswartz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 10 Jun 2002 14:06:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 2918 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2002 14:05:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2002 14:05:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14911.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.225.249) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2002 14:05:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20020610140559.88212.qmail@web14911.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.86.161.147] by web14911.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 07:05:59 PDT Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 07:05:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3D043599.DD8219@skyweb.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Shel Swartz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91652391 X-Yahoo-Profile: shelswartz Is it worth trying to DX from here in South Florida at sunset? Thanks! (shel) --- Neal Newman X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 10 Jun 2002 14:41:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 72129 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2002 14:41:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2002 14:41:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14206.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2002 14:41:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20020610144129.17881.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 07:41:29 PDT Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 07:41:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Add another AM Stereo station for Michigan To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Add AM 1250 in Saginaw, Michigan (Frankenmuth/Freeport/Saginaw area)to your list of AM Stereo stations! They had minimal stereo separation, but played some great adult contemporary / oldies and ID'd as "talk/oldies 1250 WKNX" - neat station - just wish that they had better stereo separation. Actually the area has TWO AM Music Stations - AM1250 (AMS) and AM1400 (which I wish had AMS - they would be a great candiate if someone could help them out!). Also, to confirm that WAAM Ann Arbor (1600) has not been assimilated yet, and had nice stereo commercials this past weekend. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From amfmdx@fastq.com Mon Jun 10 07:58:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 10 Jun 2002 14:58:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 62333 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2002 14:58:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2002 14:58:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2002 14:58:45 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d174-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.206]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g5AEwhn82418 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 07:58:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <038d01c2108f$0878d6e0$38f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC comments to FCC Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 07:56:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > > Now be a good boy and go make your comments on IBOC if you haven't > > already. > > I checked out the PDF file of the document that that Docket number is > referring to Did you file your comments? Kevin Mesa, Arizona From amfmdx@fastq.com Mon Jun 10 08:50:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 10 Jun 2002 15:50:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 5422 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2002 15:50:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2002 15:50:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2002 15:50:29 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d174-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.206]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g5AFoRn84661; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 08:50:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <040301c21096$38424080$38f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: Cc: "Dennis Falk" , "David Mitchell" , , "Darwin Long" References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fruit salad / IBOC Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 08:48:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > No Kevin - there are about 14 - though I am glad to be there. Wish Dennis much luck. I hope his list is successful. > The cause should be bigger than the individual. Just because there's more than one list doesn't mean that the cause isn't bigger than one person. We have Kevin T's list, Bob Carters list and Dennis list. Thats fine with me. The more the merrier. > But here we are on KT's list (with Chris' blessing). I feel we should > really try and make this work. Its working as far as I can see. I know we are adding stations and thats a great thing as far as I can see. > Does anyone know what's happened to Bryan? He lost interest and disappeared. > For those of you deeply embracing the cause why not join "Dennis' > (stupidly named in my view) AM Stereo list". Sounds like a decent enough name for me. Good luck in your endeavors. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From groucho@skyweb.net Mon Jun 10 09:33:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 10 Jun 2002 16:33:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 16388 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2002 16:33:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2002 16:33:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2002 16:33:24 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g5AGaHp2093835 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 12:36:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D04D3ED.12EF05B4@skyweb.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 12:29:33 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WICC story References: <20020610051633.12585.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com> From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HA.. I wish WICC would GO Dark........ Now my Mean sides shows.... I own a world class Recording studio about 3 miles From WICC... and If I turn up the Master fader all the way....all I hear is WICC. with 18" walls lined with fine chicken wire For shielding. and the studio walls lined with lead.... Its Kind Of Funny in a way.. you cannot imagine How many Gold and Platinum records are out there and in the back ground is WICC... but without a scope Ill bet you Never even know it. I thought it was Funny when another local Bridgeport radio station did their music Beds at my place...WCUM.. Only kidding about WICC Going Dark.. It would Be Nice For My Business though.. Neal JNR wrote: > By SCOTT FYBUSH > > *For years, we've pointed to > WICC (600) in Bridgeport, > CONNECTICUT as an example of > full-service radio at its > best - music, news and talk > all combined to create a > top-rated, > locally-responsive AM radio station. As of this > morning (Monday), that's > history. > > WICC eliminated its weekday > music as part of a station > overhaul that includes new > sounders and the station's first > jingles in nearly a decade. > John LaBarca stays in > mornings with Tim Quinn, but > now it's purely a news/talk > block, followed by an hour > of talk with Quinn at 9 and two > hours of the syndicated Neal > Boortz show from 10 until > noon, replacing the Terry > Michaels midday show (Michaels > has left the station, we're > told, but will do fill-in work at > other Cumulus stations in > the region) > > Chris Conley will still do > an hour of news at noon, but now > that's followed by the > syndicated Clark Howard show from > 1 until 4. Fred Ebert > remains on the schedule from 4-7 PM, > followed by Yankees baseball > or Laura Ingraham's > syndicated show. We'll be > sorry to see WICC turn into a > more typical 21st century > medium-market AM station; we > still think there's room for > a full-service format in this day > and age. > > Wonder if stereo's next. > > 73, > Jay,N1WVQ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Mon Jun 10 09:34:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 10 Jun 2002 16:34:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 3293 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2002 16:34:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2002 16:34:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2002 16:34:53 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g5AGbjp2094168 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 12:37:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D04D44A.A1B87A0A@skyweb.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 12:31:06 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTM References: <01bc01c2100e$6d8deec0$38f9bed8@kredding430cdt> <3D043599.DD8219@skyweb.net> <032f01c2103f$1848bf40$38f9bed8@kredding430cdt> From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what other list? do tell do tell Neal kevin wrote: > Neal, > > I hope you don't mind that I shared this news with another mail list. > They > will be overjoyed to hear about this! > > Kevin > Mesa, Arizona > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Neal Newman" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 10:14 PM > Subject: {AMSF} WTTM > > > > Hey guys... its 1:07 am monday Morning.. I just got home From doing > > some Minor > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Mon Jun 10 09:42:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 10 Jun 2002 16:42:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 13977 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2002 16:42:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2002 16:42:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2002 16:42:28 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g5AGjLp2095502 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 12:45:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D04D609.61BD816F@skyweb.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 12:38:33 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTM References: <20020610140559.88212.qmail@web14911.mail.yahoo.com> From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I doubt it.. the only station heard up here at sunset on 1680 is WTIR.. I heard they Moved To New Jersey... HA.. Im so funny.. If they didn't move they Must Be running one hell of a Carrier Current transmitter Up here.. Neal. Shel Swartz wrote: > Is it worth trying to DX from here in South Florida at > sunset? Thanks! (shel) > --- Neal Newman > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jun 10 10:37:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 10 Jun 2002 17:37:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 90270 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2002 17:37:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2002 17:37:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14203.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.145) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2002 17:37:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20020610173739.28276.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:37:39 PDT Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:37:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: You can still comment on IBOC-AM until June 18, 2002 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Folks, it's easy to comment, and you can cut and paste on the brief comments form too. You have until June 18th too. Here's the scoop from the FCC Website: MM DOCKET NO. 99-325 COMMENT SOUGHT ON NATIONAL RADIO SYSTEMS COMMITTEE DAB SUBCOMMITTEE'S "EVALUATION OF THE IBIQUITY DIGITAL CORPORATION IBOC SYSTEM" Comment Date: June 18, 2002 Reply Comment Date: July 18, 2002 Both the NRSC and iBiquity filings are available electronically at http://www.fcc.gov/e-file/ecfs.html under MM Docket No. 99-325, or from the Commission’s duplicating contractor, Qualex International, 445 12th Street, SW, Room CY-B402, Washington, DC, 20554, 202-863-2893. By this Public Notice, comment is sought on the NRSC report, conclusions, and recommendations concerning the iBiquity hybrid mode AM IBOC DAB system, as well as on the iBiquity AM IBOC test results, with respect to the Commission’s stated DAB policy goals and selection criteria. Pursuant to Sections 1.415 and 1.419 of the Commission's rules, 47 C.F.R. §§ 1.415, 1.419, interested parties may file comments on or before June 18, 2002, and reply comments on or before July 18, 2002. Comments may be filed using the Commission's Electronic Comment Filing System (ECFS) or by filing paper copies. See Electronic Filing of Documents in Rulemaking Proceedings, 63 Fed. Reg. 24121 (1998). Comments filed through the ECFS can be sent as an electronic file via the Internet to http://www.fcc.gov/e-file/ecfs.html. Generally, only one copy of an electronic submission must be filed. In addition to the AM IBOC test results now on file, some additional testing is required. The iBiquity AM IBOC tests evaluated by NRSC were conducted using MPEG-2AAC perceptual audio coding. iBiquity reportedly intends to use proprietary audio coding based on PAC, developed by Lucent Technologies, in its final AM IBOC DAB system, and will provide, in the near future, a report for evaluation containing test data for its AM IBOC DAB system using this audio coding. Also, the iBiquity AM IBOC tests considered only AM daytime (groundwave) propagation conditions. Additional testing of the iBiquity AM IBOC system is required to assess AM nighttime (skywave) propagation conditions. Further public comment will be solicited when the results of the additional testing are submitted to the Commission. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From philipr@irac.pe.ca Mon Jun 10 11:10:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 10 Jun 2002 18:10:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 26945 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2002 18:10:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2002 18:10:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2002 18:10:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2002 18:10:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:10:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OZ Call letters (OT) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1748 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: Canada also has VO--, left over from when Newfoundland was its own > country. Is VOCM the only one of these left? I don't recall any > others... the cut-off date for VO-- calls was 1948, I believe. A response [also OT] There are 3 VO-- call signs in Canada for radio stations, all from Newfoundland - 590 VOCM St. John's, 1210 VOAR and 800 VOWR. One is in St. John's, the other in nearby Mount Pearl. VOAR is owned and operated by the Seventh Day Adventist Church - with usual style religious programming. VOWR is nominally owned by a local United Church, but it is really a fusion of a non-profit community station with an ecumenical focus. In a book of VOWR history, VOWR The unfolding Dream, By: Hector K. Swain, [a very fascinating book, by the way] the author refers to how VOWR came to have the "Anglican Tower", and the "Roman Catholic Tower", so you get the idea. Guess a directional pattern helps further the cause of ecumunism! Needless to say, the inclusion of VOAR and especially VOWR makes radio in St. John's and area more interesting, specially since all commercial stations but one are owned by the same owner, Newcap. Newcap also owns the newspapers. Can anyone say M-O-N-O-P-O-L-Y ? Off the Topic? Sure. But we all are interested in radio - and sometimes AM Stereo leads to dxing, call letters, monopolies, format change stupidity etc. Just imagine how many people you could stump on trivia night! For any members thinking of vacationing in Atlantic Canada this summer, the Atlantic Provinces provide some pretty good dxing opportunities, so pack some gear! Nothing quite like salt water to make you appreciate AM Dxing! Phil From amfmdx@fastq.com Mon Jun 10 11:22:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 10 Jun 2002 18:22:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 40098 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2002 18:22:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2002 18:22:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2002 18:22:41 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d28-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.60]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g5AIMZn91823 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 11:22:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <048c01c210ab$59f9f280$38f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: Subject: IBOC story Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 11:19:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla http://www.rwonline.com/reference-room/skippizzi-bigpict/4_rwf_pizzi_may_22. shtml Concerns About IBOC Grow Numerous Issues Have Emerged That Could Block The Progress or Threaten the Ultimate Success of Ibiquity's Proposals by Skip Pizzi While wandering the halls at NAB2002, it became apparent that some of the recent columns in this space have struck a nerve - or several. It seemed that everyone who had an issue or complaint about the proposed Ibiquity technology for AM or FM IBOC digital radio sought me out to bare his or her soul. Although much of the discussion centered on items covered here and elsewhere, several issues were raised. For fear of the perceived Ibiquity juggernaut and possible negative effects on their businesses, most of the commenters requested their identities withheld for publication - a fact I lament, but understand. Test questions Primary among their comments were concerns about the reliability of tests performed on the Ibiquity systems to date. It is important to note that the recent NRSC pronouncements on Ibiquity's formats are based exclusively on tests performed by Ibiquity itself, or by laboratories that were hired by Ibiquity. The NRSC did not perform or obtain any independent testing, and there are some familiar with the technical standards process who felt that even the NRSC's review of those tests was rather cursory and unscrupulous, particularly for the FM format. Further, most of the testing that Ibiquity outsourced was performed by the Advanced Television Test Center, which some technical experts consider to be a second-tier facility at best. One engineer who observed the ATTC's work called some of its results on Ibiquity's FM IBOC system "unreproducible," and characterized the lab's methods as surprisingly unscientific. Consider that this is the same lab that gave high marks to the 8-VSB modulation scheme ultimately adopted by the ATSC digital television standard, which has subsequently been the source of much controversy due to poor reception performance. In general, these observers summarized that the test data analyzed by the NRSC was not closely indicative of what the real-world results will be if IBOC is ever widely deployed throughout a fully occupied major market's FM spectrum. Specifically they voiced concern that far more interference than has been predicted might occur, to the extent that broadcasters might be motivated to shut down their IBOC services fairly soon after initiating it. Under wraps It is also becoming obvious that Ibiquity has maintained very tight control over all the testing performed on its systems. For example, the International Association of Audio Information Services - the trade association representing radio reading services for the visually impaired, most of which use FM subcarriers to distribute their programming - apparently tried to obtain an FM IBOC exciter from Ibiquity to do some of its own testing and was unable to do so. Another report from an informed source recounted that Ibiquity had earlier approached a branch of the National Institute of Standards and Technology to test the IBOC systems, but NIST declined when Ibiquity insisted on specifying which tests would be administered. So Ibiquity moved to seek a lab for hire, where its desired level of control over testing could be exercised, eventually settling on ATTC. In addition, potential implementers wishing to examine or learn about the format are thwarted by the fact that, to date, no published specification for any Ibiquity's technology exists. This calls into question the announcements of support for the formats already made by a few manufacturers. Unresolved issues Most of the attention to date over Ibiquity's occupied spectrum for FM IBOC has been directed to Part 73 of the FCC Rules, where the well-known Spurious Emission Mask is defined. Ibiquity has clearly and apparently accurately stated that its FM system remains within the constraints of this mask. But those intimately familiar with the nuances of regulatory matters have pointed out that the format nevertheless violates the requisite emission designator 240F3, which states that a bandwidth of 240 kHz around the channel's center frequency will contain 99.0 percent of the channel's transmitted power. Because an FM IBOC channel would no longer follow this rule, it implies that the format officially involves occupation of adjacent-channel spectrum. Such parameters are defined in Part 2 of the FCC Rules, which is an area that involves treaty negotiations, and therefore requires congressional (not just FCC) approval to amend. To the best of our knowledge, no such action has been initiated. Moreover, these matters will require international coordination, at least with Mexico and Canada - also activities that apparently have not yet begun. These important elements would have to be in place before IBOC FM service launched. Naturally, such negotiations and approvals can take considerable time, which puts in doubt any claim that widespread IBOC FM service could begin imminently. Much ado Finally, there is a growing buzz around the sense that receiver quality improvements could provide as much audible benefit as could the proposed IBOC systems, but without the trouble and expense facing broadcasters under the Ibiquity proposals. These need not be exotic and expensive devices, as evidenced by a few recent DSP-based receivers. One often-cited example is the Blaupunkt Alaska line of car audio systems. The FM tuners in these units convert the received signal to digital at the 10.7 MHz IF stage, and process it with DSP from there until the power amplifier stage. The results have caused a sensation in the audiophile community, and are particularly surprising at the affordable price points of these products. Substantially reduced distortion and markedly improved SNR and stereo separation are the most frequently noted points. (And this improved audio quality occurs immediately upon tuning in the station - you don't have to wait for seven seconds to hear it.) Audio processing in these receivers is also handled in the digital domain, including the option of end-user audio compression. If this technology became the norm, FM broadcasters might be able to reduce the amount of audio compression they add to the signal at transmission, which could also go a long way toward improving perceived audio quality of FM. But we won't open that can of worms here. Suffice it to say that relying on unilateral receiver technology improvements and subsequent product penetration for their digital revolution leaves broadcasters feeling out of the loop, because they have no control over the process - other than making changes to their own broadcast audio processing, as noted above. But implementing the currently proposed IBOC format will require substantial time, expense and trouble (perhaps more of the latter than was previously thought) on the part of broadcasters, and it will still rely on subsequent consumer product penetration before any improvement can occur. Perhaps broadcasters' time and money would be better spent in other directions. Postscript As evidenced by the collection of comments regarding IBOC that keep coming my way, I have developed an identity of being "the anti-IBOC guy." While this is perhaps an unavoidable label, allow me to clarify that I'm not anti-DAB, or even anti-IBOC. Some readers will recall that I was one of the earliest public supporters of the IBOC concept when the U.S. radio industry was considering Eureka-147 in the 1980s. What I primarily object to today are Ibiquity's proposed protectionist constraints on IBOC technology. Although understandable from a pure broadcast-industry business perspective, I fear these artificial restrictions will reduce IBOC to insignificance in the consumer marketplace, and thereby cause it to fail. This would be a lose-lose proposition for consumers and broadcasters alike. For any conversion to be successful, all involved parties must feel they will benefit equally from making the change. The current plan is unbalanced in commercial broadcasters' favor, and is therefore at risk. I also don't object to Ibiquity reaping some reward for its substantial work in this effort. But well-proven mechanisms for doing so already exist, and they don't seem to be broken. I fail to see any compelling reasons to justify the unprecedented changes in the process that Ibiquity proposes. Meanwhile, I do perceive the dangers in moving to such methods. IBOC may be the only bullet in broadcasters' digital conversion arsenal. If that one shot misses, the battle will likely be lost. If someone notices the weapon is misaimed, it is his duty to try to correct the problem before the shot is fired. Skip Pizzi is contributing editor of Radio World. RW welcomes other points of view. This message has been composed of recycled electrons. None of these electrons has been harmed or injured in the creation and transmission of this message but they have been shamelessly exploited for this use. From philipr@irac.pe.ca Mon Jun 10 11:25:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 10 Jun 2002 18:25:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 98301 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2002 18:25:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2002 18:25:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2002 18:25:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2002 18:25:37 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:25:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WICC story [OT] Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D04D3ED.12EF05B4@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1480 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking --- In amstereoforum@y..., Neal Newman wrote: > HA.. I wish WICC would GO Dark........ Now my Mean sides shows.... > I own a world class Recording studio about 3 miles From WICC... > and If I turn up the Master fader all the way....all I hear is WICC. > with 18" walls lined with fine chicken wire For shielding. and the > studio walls lined with lead.... Also OT: Kind of reminds me of the old 10 kw mono days of CJFX with the old transmitter site on the Post Road, just barely outside Antigonish. Every time people who lived along that road would pick up their telephones, they would hear 'Friendly 58' in the background. One old lady will call regularly to complain that the radio frequencies were hurting her "bones". My parents used to enjoy telling the story told by people in the Annapolis Valley of Nova Scotia. During WWII, the Canadian government operated a high power - supposedly over 1 megawatt - shortwave transmitter site. So local legend has it, for a year after the site was shut down, you could plug in an electric iron and it would heat up! An old husband's tale, obviously! However, I can recall being in the transmitter building of a now dark 10 kw station, where the light switches in the transmitter building varied from dim to bright. Because of the RF, there was no off! The stations ground system was not in the best shape. Of course, the sound coming off the tuning coils in the two huts was quite loud! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jun 10 14:46:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 10 Jun 2002 21:46:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 25222 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2002 21:46:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2002 21:46:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2002 21:46:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2002 21:46:11 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:46:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WTTM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D04D44A.A1B87A0A@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 827 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Neal, It is good to see 1680 WTTM with the AM Stereo pilot light on. Just one thing -- the audio sounds louder in the left channel than to the right. It's as if somebody turned the Balance control about halfway to the left. Perhaps the audio processor could use a little tweaking to make the audio more towards the center of the Stereo image. For now you can even just switch the processor into Mono mode until the true two-channel Stereo STL is put into service. Otherwise, WTTM sounds good in "Stereo"... and the format is actually pretty interesting to listen to, including what sounds like a rather simplistic automation system for the music, liners, and commercials... things just cut in and out, with no cross-fade. I guess that is one of the remnants of when EBC was on a 10-watt "Class D" FM station! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jun 10 15:18:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 10 Jun 2002 22:18:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 16730 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2002 22:18:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2002 22:18:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2002 22:18:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2002 22:18:43 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:18:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 600 WICC status report Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1699 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Opinions about the format change aside, I am pleased to note that 600 WICC continues to broadcast an AM Stereo signal with full Stereo separation heard in the liners, IDs, jingles, and commercials. Their traffic report sounder still has the effect of an airplane zooming from right to left, and for the first time in quite a while, WICC now has honest-to-goodness *jingles* that are quite enthusiastic sounding, featuring true Stereo sound of course. Again, witholding my judgement about the removal of music and the addition of some syndicated talk shows to the weekday programming, the only less than favorable things I can say is that WICC's new hourly ID is identifying them as "WICC Bridgeport's", which is probably in violation of FCC rules which state that the hourly ID must consist of the call letters followed by the city of license, which would simply be "WICC Bridgeport", not two sentences with one ending with "WICC" and the other starting with "Bridgeport's..." as they are currently doing it. Also, absent from the new ID is any reference to WICC as "a Cumulus Media station", which is a bit suspicious because this format change was most certainly a decision by the corporate offices of Cumulus and not by anybody locally within WICC itself. Another minor technical issue is that in Stereo mode, WICC's audio is slightly shifted towards the left, which I think has been the case for quite a while. I've heard that some stations, both AM Stereo and FM Stereo, purposely do this so that while listening in the car, the audio will appear to be more centered towards the driver's seat (on the left), rather than in the exact middle of the Stereo audio image. From groucho@skyweb.net Mon Jun 10 15:31:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 10 Jun 2002 22:31:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 73724 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2002 22:31:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2002 22:31:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2002 22:31:54 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net ([63.238.143.132]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g5AMYbv3076430 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:34:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D052A27.36F4C2BB@skyweb.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:37:27 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WTTM References: From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I will try to work on that it seems athat when I setup The optimod with the same signal it goes wacky on me.. so right now I think its fed Only with only left audio at 1 am I was too tired to even think about that I noticed it was only 60% modulation on the L-R side... I will try to balance it out later this week.. as for the No Fades thats the DJ's they are all volunteers.. and I have 36 of them to deal with... we are slowly weeding them down to a few Paid I hope soon... The automation for the Commercials at this Time is WaveCart by BSI.... I also have WaveStation. But not to happy with it.... at night after 12pm. I have the station running on a new software that Im experementing with that actually sounds better than the WaveStation. But I cannot get it to play the Commercials.. Its Called OTSJuke... Im looking For a better software for running My Automation.. Unless I have My WaveStation configured wrong.. Its been here longer than I have ... Neal kevtronics wrote: > Neal, > > It is good to see 1680 WTTM with the AM Stereo pilot light on. Just > one thing -- the audio sounds louder in the left channel than to the > right. It's as if somebody turned the Balance control about halfway > to the left. Perhaps the audio processor could use a little tweaking > to make the audio more towards the center of the Stereo image. For > now you can even just switch the processor into Mono mode until the > true two-channel Stereo STL is put into service. > > Otherwise, WTTM sounds good in "Stereo"... and the format is actually > pretty interesting to listen to, including what sounds like a rather > simplistic automation system for the music, liners, and commercials... > > things just cut in and out, with no cross-fade. I guess that is one > of the remnants of when EBC was on a 10-watt "Class D" FM station! > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Mon Jun 10 15:54:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 10 Jun 2002 22:54:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 14421 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2002 22:54:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2002 22:54:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2002 22:54:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2002 22:54:56 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:54:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Radio Australia Feedback prog on IBOC / DRM Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 131 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" X-Originating-IP: 217.148.40.50 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Found this by accident earlier. 11- 13th May prog links are not ALL available it seems http://abc.net.au/ra/feedback/default.htm From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Jun 10 17:08:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 11 Jun 2002 00:08:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 42051 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2002 00:08:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2002 00:08:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m3-cluster1.vcn.com) (209.193.72.33) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2002 00:08:17 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.74]) by m3-cluster1.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:08:17 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: WTTM Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:08:12 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <3D052A27.36F4C2BB@skyweb.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Neal I ran a station with BSI's WaveStation for quite a while and learned many of the "tricks and tips" If ya need any help....just drop a line here or to my personal (michaelj@vcn.com) addy. There's probably nothing I can't help ya through. If ya get it right, it doesn't sound too bad. Also is funny that you should mention OTSJuke. That's the software I just downloaded and paid for last week. It's awesome in the way it does for "real radio" sounding. Better than wavestation. I have my own little radio station here at my shop....broadcasting at AM Stereo 1000 and FM Stereo 101.5. And this software is really great. I'm liking OTSJuke a lot. Although I think Wavestation is indeed better when it comes to being a REAL radio station with commercials and such. Good luck!! Michael -----Original Message----- From: Neal Newman [mailto:groucho@skyweb.net] Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 4:37 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WTTM I will try to work on that it seems athat when I setup The optimod with the same signal it goes wacky on me.. so right now I think its fed Only with only left audio at 1 am I was too tired to even think about that I noticed it was only 60% modulation on the L-R side... I will try to balance it out later this week.. as for the No Fades thats the DJ's they are all volunteers.. and I have 36 of them to deal with... we are slowly weeding them down to a few Paid I hope soon... The automation for the Commercials at this Time is WaveCart by BSI.... I also have WaveStation. But not to happy with it.... at night after 12pm. I have the station running on a new software that Im experementing with that actually sounds better than the WaveStation. But I cannot get it to play the Commercials.. Its Called OTSJuke... Im looking For a better software for running My Automation.. Unless I have My WaveStation configured wrong.. Its been here longer than I have ... Neal kevtronics wrote: > Neal, > > It is good to see 1680 WTTM with the AM Stereo pilot light on. Just > one thing -- the audio sounds louder in the left channel than to the > right. It's as if somebody turned the Balance control about halfway > to the left. Perhaps the audio processor could use a little tweaking > to make the audio more towards the center of the Stereo image. For > now you can even just switch the processor into Mono mode until the > true two-channel Stereo STL is put into service. > > Otherwise, WTTM sounds good in "Stereo"... and the format is actually > pretty interesting to listen to, including what sounds like a rather > simplistic automation system for the music, liners, and commercials... > > things just cut in and out, with no cross-fade. I guess that is one > of the remnants of when EBC was on a 10-watt "Class D" FM station! > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rjskadl@yahoo.com Mon Jun 10 19:51:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 11 Jun 2002 02:51:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 79870 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2002 02:51:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2002 02:51:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2002 02:51:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2002 02:51:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 02:51:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WICC story [OT] Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 239 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl > the light switches in the transmitter > building varied from dim to bright. > Because of the RF, there was no off! My friend does engineering for infinity, and the same thing happens at the Tx shack on high Island for WCBS and WFAN From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jun 10 22:23:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 11 Jun 2002 05:23:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 44528 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2002 05:23:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2002 05:23:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2002 05:23:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2002 05:23:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 05:23:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: All-Talk WICC, Day One Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1906 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Here's the editorial I wrote for a Connecticut radio message group on Monday: ===================================================================== Please, wake me up when it's Saturday... because if I listen to the now-musicless 600 WICC all week long, I'll surely have no trouble taking a good long nap. And in case I fall asleep while driving, WICC won't even report the traffic jam that would cause, because their "Traffic & Weather on the Sixes" reports every 10 minutes are now gone during the syndicated programs. Tune in at 1:06 or 2:46 or 3:16 PM and all you'll hear is Clark Howard babbling on about how you can save money. Perhaps the folks at Cumulus listened to him too much and decided to save their own money by killing off the WICC that we all knew and loved. At least WICC is still putting out a good AM Stereo signal, but that is little consolation because even the most lively jingles with the most catchy Stereo effects can't replace the now-defunct variety of music that WICC had, which no FM station could match. Also suspiciously absent is any mention of "a Cumulus Media station" from the top-of-the-hour station ID, which now is also against FCC rules because "WICC Bridgeport's" is not a valid hourly ID, unless Bridgeport has magically switched its official city name to the possessive form. Anyway, I guess they don't want us to know that WICC is a Cumulus station anymore because then we'll know who to complain to about killing off the Number One station in town just when its ratings are at an all-time high, even beating out sister station "Heebey-Jeebey 108", er... I mean, "We-Bee 108" (another case of mistaken identity, as WEBE is actually on 107.9 FM). Oh, do I sound bitter and disappointed? Well, that probably puts me exactly in line with at least 90% of WICC's listeners right now... and no doubt 90% of WICC's current staff as well! From amfmdx@fastq.com Tue Jun 11 07:47:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 11 Jun 2002 14:47:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 71348 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2002 14:47:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2002 14:47:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2002 14:47:44 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d138-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.170]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g5BElgn18821 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 07:47:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <005701c21155$d3f471a0$aaf9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} WWW.AMSTEREORADIO.COM Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 07:39:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Money goes to Internic (Network Solutions) if ya want high price.....or I've > got most of my domains registered through GoDaddy. It's cheap. 10 bucks a > year and works just as well. WHO OWNS AMSTEREORADIO.COM? > Still on the ongoing search for the A-100 myself. Everytime I'm in Salt > Lake City or Ogden, I'll swing by the D.I...... "just in case" I feel like I am on a search for the holy grail or something with this radio. I have looked for a long time but nothing yet. If I get two.... yeah right! I'll make you a smokin deal on one. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From shelswartz@yahoo.com Tue Jun 11 07:55:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: shelswartz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 11 Jun 2002 14:55:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 4139 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2002 14:55:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2002 14:55:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14904.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.225.56) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2002 14:55:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20020611145257.76983.qmail@web14904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.86.168.2] by web14904.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 07:52:55 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 07:52:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} WWW.AMSTEREORADIO.COM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <005701c21155$d3f471a0$aaf9bed8@kredding430cdt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Shel Swartz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91652391 X-Yahoo-Profile: shelswartz An Australian seems to own the domain name: REGISTRAR: whois.directnic.com Registrant: Starvision Access PO Box 57 Browns Plains Logan, Qld 4118 AU Domain Name: AMSTEREORADIO.COM Administrative Contact: Trim, Matthew matt@sv.net.au PO Box 57 Browns Plains Logan, Qld, 4118 AU +61 414 466 663 Technical Contact: Trim, Matthew matt@sv.net.au PO Box 57 Browns Plains Logan, Qld, 4118 AU +61 414 466 663 Billing Contact: Trim, Matthew matt@sv.net.au PO Box 57 Browns Plains Logan, Qld, 4118 AU +61 414 466 663 Record last updated on 08-Jun-2002. 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Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From amfmdx@fastq.com Tue Jun 11 08:07:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 11 Jun 2002 15:07:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 51133 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2002 15:07:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2002 15:07:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2002 15:07:58 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d138-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.170]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g5BF7un19563 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 08:07:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <007901c21158$a49de280$aaf9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <20020611145257.76983.qmail@web14904.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} WWW.AMSTEREORADIO.COM Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 07:59:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Administrative Contact: > Trim, Matthew matt@sv.net.au Thanks, Matts on the list. I just asked because I have been one of many contributing money to its upkeep and was curious. I haven't contributed lately because I had no idea who had it. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From amfmdx@fastq.com Tue Jun 11 11:24:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 11 Jun 2002 18:24:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 81204 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2002 18:24:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2002 18:24:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2002 18:24:00 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d83-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.115]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g5BINxn41739 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 11:23:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <00db01c21173$e6008460$aaf9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: Subject: Another SRF-A100 being sold Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 11:14:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1358659899 This message has been composed of recycled electrons. None of these electrons has been harmed or injured in the creation and transmission of this message but they have been shamelessly exploited for this use. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jun 11 11:39:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 11 Jun 2002 18:39:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 6079 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2002 18:39:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2002 18:39:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14205.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.151) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2002 18:39:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20020611183924.79248.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 11:39:24 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 11:39:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: AMS Verified at WING; FCC Comments too To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio In my recent travels, I can also verify that WING 1410 in Dayton has AM Stereo commercials, and sounds good, considering they now have an ESPN format. "WING-it in Stereo" would be my promo for them. Anybody in the Dayton area that can contact a station near there (Tipp City, OH area?) on 1570 with music of the 50's, 60's, 70's and 80's that should be in stereo? Also, you only have one more week to comment on AM IBOC on the FCC website. Please join Fred Vobbe, John, Kit, Kevin, Vicki, Tom and Harry at the FCC website with your comments on making a decent AM Stereo system! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Jun 11 12:25:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 11 Jun 2002 19:25:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 34678 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2002 19:25:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2002 19:25:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2002 19:25:30 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g5BJSPv2001859 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:28:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D064DC9.7ADC467B@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:21:45 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS Verified at WING; FCC Comments too References: <20020611183924.79248.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 I don't know Much about The AM IBOC or IBOC in general except that it was Tested at My transmitter site. so How Can I comment On something I know absolutely nothing about... Neal Johnny Electron wrote: > In my recent travels, I can also verify that WING 1410 in Dayton has > AM Stereo commercials, and sounds good, considering they now have an > ESPN format. "WING-it in Stereo" would be my promo for them. > Anybody in the Dayton area that can contact a station near there > (Tipp City, OH area?) on 1570 with music of the 50's, 60's, 70's and > 80's that should be in stereo? > > Also, you only have one more week to comment on AM IBOC on the FCC > website. Please join Fred Vobbe, John, Kit, Kevin, Vicki, Tom and > Harry at the FCC website with your comments on making a decent AM > Stereo system! > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Jun 11 12:27:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 11 Jun 2002 19:27:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 8586 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2002 19:27:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2002 19:27:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2002 19:27:41 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g5BJUav2002275 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:30:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D064E4D.D433AD4B@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:23:57 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Carver TX-2 reciever References: <00db01c21173$e6008460$aaf9bed8@kredding430cdt> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Does anyone know anything about the Carver TX-2 receiver.... does it cover the Expanded band? and is it AMS? I have a Carver TX-11b at the transmitter site so I know that is AMS and expanded band. I need an Answer ASAP on the TX-2 For its about to End On Ebay Neal From amfmdx@fastq.com Tue Jun 11 12:31:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 11 Jun 2002 19:31:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 17519 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2002 19:31:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2002 19:31:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2002 19:31:14 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d83-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.115]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g5BJVCn43666 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 12:31:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <00ef01c2117d$21db4e80$aaf9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <20020611183924.79248.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Let me all tell you where to go! Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 12:21:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi This is exactly where I want you to go. There were only 246 comments. Each one counts for a lot when there are this few. The number to enter is 99-325. > Also, you only have one more week to comment on AM IBOC on the FCC > website. Please join Fred Vobbe, John, Kit, Kevin, Vicki, Tom and > Harry at the FCC website with your comments on making a decent AM > Stereo system! Get after it and comment. Kill this before it gets a foothold. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Jun 11 12:31:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 11 Jun 2002 19:31:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 26071 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2002 19:31:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2002 19:31:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2002 19:31:28 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g5BJYNv2002910 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:34:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D064F2F.1325FFE4@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:27:43 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another SRF-A100 being sold References: <00db01c21173$e6008460$aaf9bed8@kredding430cdt> From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does the SRF-A100 cover expanded band? Neal I am in need of an Expanded band Portable AM Stereo Receiver Neal kevin wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1358659899 > > This message has been composed of recycled electrons. None of these > electrons has been harmed or injured in the creation and transmission of > this message but they have been shamelessly exploited for this use. > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From shelswartz@yahoo.com Tue Jun 11 12:47:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: shelswartz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 11 Jun 2002 19:47:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 25822 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2002 19:47:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2002 19:47:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14904.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.225.56) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2002 19:47:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20020611194703.33417.qmail@web14904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.32.198.140] by web14904.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 12:47:03 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 12:47:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another SRF-A100 being sold To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00db01c21173$e6008460$aaf9bed8@kredding430cdt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Shel Swartz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91652391 X-Yahoo-Profile: shelswartz Gracious! As I writethis, he's received $155 in the high bid for that radio! I'm holding ion to mine... maybe someone will offer me a lot more someday! (shel) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From amfmdx@fastq.com Tue Jun 11 13:22:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 11 Jun 2002 20:22:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 33022 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2002 20:22:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2002 20:22:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2002 20:22:08 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d83-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.115]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g5BKM6n45299 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 13:22:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <00fe01c21184$2b3d7b40$aaf9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <00db01c21173$e6008460$aaf9bed8@kredding430cdt> <3D064F2F.1325FFE4@skyweb.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another SRF-A100 being sold Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 13:11:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla NO. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Newman" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 12:27 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another SRF-A100 being sold > Does the SRF-A100 cover expanded band? > Neal > > I am in need of an Expanded band Portable AM Stereo Receiver > Neal > > kevin wrote: > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1358659899 > > > > This message has been composed of recycled electrons. None of these > > electrons has been harmed or injured in the creation and transmission of > > this message but they have been shamelessly exploited for this use. > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From narkspud@hotmail.com Tue Jun 11 14:27:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 11 Jun 2002 21:27:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 62872 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2002 21:27:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2002 21:27:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.127) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2002 21:27:56 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 14:27:56 -0700 Received: from 209.179.204.107 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 21:27:56 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another SRF-A100 being sold Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 14:27:56 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jun 2002 21:27:56.0586 (UTC) FILETIME=[DA5580A0:01C2118E] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [209.179.204.107] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud > Does the SRF-A100 cover expanded band? >Neal Nope. I've got a TIS nearby at 1620 and it won't even tune in that. But, jeez, does it ever sound lovely! The thing's already up to $152.50 with 24 hours to go. Wow! narkspud (bought his when they came out, praise glory) _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jun 11 14:30:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 11 Jun 2002 21:30:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 65636 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2002 21:30:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2002 21:30:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2002 21:30:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2002 21:30:06 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 21:30:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Another SRF-A100 being sold Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00fe01c21184$2b3d7b40$aaf9bed8@kredding430cdt> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1399 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.130 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > NO. My SRF-A100 in original form does tune up to about 1630 kHz. Since it is an analog tuning radio, it can be "tweaked" to cover the full Expanded Band, but only if you really know what you're doing, because it is easy to get the IF out of alignment and that would ruin the reception quality. For "quick and dirty" AM Stereo listening in the full Expanded Band up to 1700 kHz, you could use the Sony SRF-42 if you can find one, but just like the other SRF-series Sonys, it won't have a true Stereo indicator light. There are some Japanese-model radios with AM Stereo, digital tuning, and true Stereo indication, but these are only available in the USA through private import, and new ones are getting even harder to find. Chris Cuff got me a Panasonic AM Stereo Walkman from Japan and it has digital tuning with selectable 9 or 10 kHz channel spacing so you can use it anywhere in the world. In 10 kHz mode (for North & South America), it tunes from 520 to 1710 kHz.... in fact, this is the radio I am using to hear 1680 WTTM in AM "Stereo"! There is another Japanese walkman from Aiwa with similar features, but it doesn't sound as good -- the recordings I've heard that were made from this Aiwa CR-DS805 model all sound very weak and tinny, with no bass and over-boosted midrange. The Panasonic (model RF-HS70 or RF-HS90) is a bit muffled but otherwise sounds great. From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Jun 11 14:32:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 11 Jun 2002 21:32:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 69557 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2002 21:32:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2002 21:32:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2002 21:32:25 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g5BLZKv2024527 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 17:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D066B83.660E31A3@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 17:28:35 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another SRF-A100 being sold References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 well I missed out on that carver TX-2 receiver Because None was able to let me know If it Covered the expanded band.... Im still looking....... Neal ". Narkspud" wrote: > > Does the SRF-A100 cover expanded band? > >Neal > > Nope. I've got a TIS nearby at 1620 and it won't even tune in that. But, > jeez, does it ever sound lovely! > > The thing's already up to $152.50 with 24 hours to go. Wow! > > narkspud (bought his when they came out, praise glory) > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Jun 11 14:33:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 11 Jun 2002 21:33:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 6282 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2002 21:33:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2002 21:33:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2002 21:33:34 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g5BLaTv2024721 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 17:36:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D066BCD.3E0AF724@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 17:29:50 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF}Sony Expanded band? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Does anyone know if the sony Walkman SRF-H3 does expanded band? Neal From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jun 11 14:40:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 11 Jun 2002 21:40:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 71828 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2002 21:40:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2002 21:40:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2002 21:40:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2002 21:40:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 21:40:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Stereo music returns to WICC Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1356 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.130 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I tuned in WICC 600 AM Stereo this morning and I was very pleased to hear them playing MUSIC in great AM Stereo sound again! From what I have heard, it seems that after only one day, station management decided that their long-time morning show host just wasn't going to cut it as an all-Talk show host... he has babbling on too much and too long, and listeners just weren't interested. In fact, quite a few called the station to complain. Thus, after only one day, they have returned music to WICC's morning show... although for now, that is the only place during weekdays where you will hear music on WICC. The new line-up of news and talk programs for the rest of the day remains in place. So, at least for its most popular listening hours of weekday mornings, 600 WICC will remain a true Full Service news/MUSIC/talk station, in AM Stereo. They will still be trying to place more emphasis on talk during the show, but only as much as the host can handle without becoming annoyingly boring to listeners. During my brief listen this morning, I heard him as his usual cheerful self on the air, including perfectly back-timing a Beatles song up to the top-of-the-hour news. The music shows on weekends also all remain in place, including the Italian music show, the Polka music show, and other ethnic and speciality music programs. From n0uiheric@aol.com Tue Jun 11 16:34:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 11 Jun 2002 23:34:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 57680 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2002 23:34:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2002 23:34:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r08.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.104) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2002 23:34:22 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.e5.1940db9f (4224) for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 19:34:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 19:34:18 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Let me all tell you where to go! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Kevin, I've made my comments on this subject...but in connection with the review of the FCC's ownership rules. Here's an excerpt from the earlier filing: "Sadly, one proven technology has been largely neglected since 1996; AM stereo. The requirement of AM stereo operations on the expanded AM band, between 1610 and 1700 kHz, has kept the number of AM Stereo stations above the 300-station mark. The claim that "AM stereo is dead" is largely bogus; another corporate lie. However, a number of leading broadcasters, largely led by Clear Channel Communications, have dropped this proven technology because of illegitimate claims over the number of receivers (24 million in the marketplace at last check, and the number is slowly increasing) and coverage concerns (AM stereo has NOT been proven to reduce coverage, unlike FM stereo, as corporate broadcasters like Clear Channel Communications and Journal Broadcasting have illegitimately claimed without any technical proof). I also believe that the "AM is dead" claim that commercial broadcasters have claimed for over a quarter of a century is also bogus. I still see potential in AM radio, even for music formats that FM stations refuse to carry. I strongly believe that stereophonic broadcasting-only policies, such as one largely embraced by Crawford Broadcasting Company, is in the best interests of commercial radio. In addition, the AM stereo-only mandate in the expanded AM band (1610-1700 kHz) should be extended to the former Class I-A Clears. In other words, AM stations operating with 50,000 watts of power utilizing non-directional antenna systems at all hours should, regardless of format, be required to broadcast in AM stereo. Some of these stations still carry music programming; including WSM Nashville, TN (operating at 650 kHz). Should the AM stereo-only mandate be extended to the former I-A Clears, WFAN (660 kHz) New York, NY; WGN (720 kHz) Chicago, IL; WJR (760 kHz) Detroit, MI; WBAP (820 kHz) Fort Worth, TX; WLS (890 kHz) Chicago, IL and WPHT (1210 kHz) Philadelphia, PA would already be in compliance. The others should be given a maximum of two years to comply." "Instead, broadcasters are testing an unproven technology called In-Band, On-Channel Digital Audio Broadcasting (IBOC-DAB). The results, so far, have been very disappointing. IBOC-DAB is totally incompatible with analog broadcasting; it is an audio version of a fax machine. In other words, all of the five billion receivers in the marketplace would become obsolete if conversion to IBOC-DAB becomes mandatory. Also, a vast majority of smaller and independent broadcasters; mostly on AM but also smaller FM stations, would be forced to leave the air if IBOC-DAB conversion becomes mandatory. Demand for terrestrial DAB is non-existent; just look at Canada and Europe. Listeners in Canada and Europe still listen to local AM and FM stations. And, what's more, the AM and FM bands ARE NOT ALLOCATED anywhere in the world for terrestrial DAB; the L-Band (used for the proven Eureka 147 system in Canada and Europe) has been allocated worldwide for terrestrial DAB. The Pentagon is actually in violation of international regulations by using the L-Band for it's interests, rather than moving to another band to make way for DAB. I strongly believe that DAB should be banned below 1 GHz (1000 MHz). American radio listeners will continue to accept analog broadcasting; so it would be in the best interests of the broadcast industry to keep the AM and FM bands going in it's present, analog form. The only appropriate place for DAB in the United States is on the new satellite services like XM Satellite Radio." I'm sure Michael "A Traitor To His Own Race" Powell has heard these comments before. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Jun 11 16:40:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 11 Jun 2002 23:40:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 48778 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2002 23:40:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2002 23:40:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2002 23:40:15 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g5BNh9v2042005 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 19:43:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D06897E.57D18ED2@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 19:36:30 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WTTM References: From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Michael The Problem I have with the Wavestation is that Im Using MP3's not .Wav files and I have it set-up Segue length of 75ms.. But I still get gaps.. pauses between songs..I cannot get it to Segue between songs no matter what I try... maybe its the Ducking Below 0% levels when the songs fade out is incorrect? forward you Phone # so I can call You to find out more in a private Email Neal "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Hey Neal > I ran a station with BSI's WaveStation for quite a while and learned > many of > the "tricks and tips" > If ya need any help....just drop a line here or to my personal > (michaelj@vcn.com) addy. There's probably nothing I can't help ya > through. > If ya get it right, it doesn't sound too bad. Also is funny that you > > should mention OTSJuke. That's the software I just downloaded and > paid for > last week. It's awesome in the way it does for "real radio" sounding. > > Better than wavestation. I have my own little radio station here at > my > shop....broadcasting at AM Stereo 1000 and FM Stereo 101.5. And this > software is really great. I'm liking OTSJuke a lot. Although I think > > Wavestation is indeed better when it comes to being a REAL radio > station > with commercials and such. > Good luck!! > > Michael > > -----Original Message----- > From: Neal Newman [mailto:groucho@skyweb.net] > Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 4:37 PM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WTTM > > > I will try to work on that it seems athat when I setup The optimod > with the same signal it goes wacky on me.. so right now I think its > fed > Only with only left audio at 1 am I was too tired to even think > about > that I noticed it was only 60% modulation on the L-R side... I > will > try to balance it out later this week.. > as for the No Fades thats the DJ's they are all volunteers.. and > I > have 36 of them to deal with... we are slowly weeding them down to > a > few Paid I hope soon... > The automation for the Commercials at this Time is WaveCart by > BSI.... > > I also have WaveStation. But not to happy with it.... at night after > > 12pm. I have the station running on a new software that Im > experementing > with that actually sounds better than the WaveStation. But I > cannot > get it to play the Commercials.. > Its Called OTSJuke... > Im looking For a better software for running My Automation.. Unless > I > have My WaveStation configured wrong.. Its been here longer than I > have > ... > Neal > > kevtronics wrote: > > > Neal, > > > > It is good to see 1680 WTTM with the AM Stereo pilot light on. > Just > > one thing -- the audio sounds louder in the left channel than to > the > > right. It's as if somebody turned the Balance control about > halfway > > to the left. Perhaps the audio processor could use a little > tweaking > > to make the audio more towards the center of the Stereo image. > For > > now you can even just switch the processor into Mono mode until > the > > true two-channel Stereo STL is put into service. > > > > Otherwise, WTTM sounds good in "Stereo"... and the format is > actually > > pretty interesting to listen to, including what sounds like a > rather > > simplistic automation system for the music, liners, and > commercials... > > > > things just cut in and out, with no cross-fade. I guess that is > one > > of the remnants of when EBC was on a 10-watt "Class D" FM station! > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jun 11 23:08:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 12 Jun 2002 06:08:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 83741 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2002 06:08:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2002 06:08:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2002 06:08:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2002 06:08:16 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 06:08:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Administrative note Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1509 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Announce: yes From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.93.4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics In an effort to eliminate the occasional "spam" (unwanted advertisement messages or files) that this group has received, I have now switched the membership status of the AM Stereo Forum group to "restricted". Don't worry, this is not nearly as threatening as it sounds... "restricted" simply means that in order for a person to become a new member of this AM Stereo Forum, they have to reply back to me with an e-mail to simply prove that they are a real live person, and not just some automated e-mail spamming machine. There will be no "approval" or "discretion" on my part... as long as they can reply to the request, the person will be added as a member, regardless of who they are and of whether I hold any personal grudges against them or not. (Unlike some others who run their own AM Stereo mailing lists......) So, for existing members of this group... which would probably include everybody who is reading this right now... there is *no* difference at all. The only difference is for new people who wish to join the Forum and become a member. Also, everybody is still able to read and post messages on the Forum's web site, even if they are not a member.... becoming a "member" of this group simply gives you the option to receive the messages by e-mail, and also access to the Files, Photos, Bookmarks, and Polls sections of the AM Stereo Forum's web site on Yahoo Groups. Kevin Tekel kevtronics@yahoo.com Co-Sysop of The AM Stereo Forum (Now hopefully to be Spam-free...) From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Jun 12 00:42:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 12 Jun 2002 07:42:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 87739 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2002 07:42:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2002 07:42:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2002 07:42:19 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.44]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 03:41:47 -0400 Message-ID: <003601c211e4$c4b04fe0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Another SRF-A100 being sold Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 03:42:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I have one Panasonic HS-RF70 left that will tune the EB, and has positive stereo indication. $80.00 postpaid in the US, slight shipping charge for overseas and Canada. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics To: From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Jun 12 00:43:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 12 Jun 2002 07:43:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 46560 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2002 07:43:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2002 07:43:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2002 07:43:47 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.44]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 03:43:18 -0400 Message-ID: <004001c211e4$fa9b69a0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <00db01c21173$e6008460$aaf9bed8@kredding430cdt> <3D064E4D.D433AD4B@skyweb.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Carver TX-2 reciever Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 03:44:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Check with Jeff Deck on this- he has owned one- jeffdeck@aol.com CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Neal Newman To: Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 3:23 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Carver TX-2 reciever > > Does anyone know anything about the Carver TX-2 receiver.... > does it cover the Expanded band? and is it AMS? From dav259@csiro.au Wed Jun 12 01:27:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 12 Jun 2002 08:27:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 79839 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2002 08:27:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2002 08:27:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2002 08:27:38 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21770 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:27:36 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:27:36 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Thanks Kevin T and 3MP-Dave In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, kevtronics wrote: > In an effort to eliminate the occasional "spam" (unwanted > advertisement messages or files) that this group has received, I have > now switched the membership status of the AM Stereo Forum group to > "restricted". Sounds good to me. Thanks Kevin for running a grudge free forum. Also thanks to you and UK Dave for you continued postings on our Oz google board http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&group=aus.radio.broadcast Gradually we are making general Aussie contributors aware of what they're missing as far as AM stereo goes. Dave seems to have more e-mail addresses than you can wave a stick at - and Kevin you don't seem too far behind. And I can't talk - at last count I seem to have eight. I just wish I'd never published my work address on the google board as ever since I have been beseiged with spam at work. But if I don't know who something is from (besides being put off by the subject heading) I just press "D" and it's gone forever. btw - as I understand it our AMStereoRadio.com site is still owned by Chris. Matt Trim from Brisbane is the technical owner - and Kevin T does the hosting. And thanks Kevin for already listing "BACK IN FULL STEREO!" against 3MP - it's sounding great! Ian - Melbourne From jeffdeck@aol.com Wed Jun 12 02:42:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 12 Jun 2002 09:42:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 82901 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2002 09:42:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2002 09:42:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r03.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.99) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2002 09:42:07 -0000 Received: from Jeffdeck@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.19a.390896d (18711) for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 05:42:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19a.390896d.2a387168@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 05:42:00 EDT Subject: Re: Carver TX-2 reciever To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 From: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4430287 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neal, Carver's TX-2 covers the entire expanded band. It does not have AM stereo as stock feature, however it can be easily modified. I converted several TX-2 with excellent results. AM I.F bandpass is a compromise for selectivity and musical fidelity. In other words, it is not so selective as to sound inferior. It has two tuned AM R.F amplifier stages, and will not suffer from intermodulation distortion present with the TX-11a/b tuner. Many TX-2 appear on eBay, so if you missed one, another should arrive later for your bid. 73, Jeff In a message dated 6/11/2002 3:30:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Neal writes: >Does anyone know anything about the Carver TX-2 receiver.... >does it cover the Expanded band? and is it AMS? >I have a Carver TX-11b at the transmitter site so I know that is AMS and >expanded band. I need an Answer ASAP on the TX-2 For its about to End On >Ebay Neal [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Wed Jun 12 05:14:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 12 Jun 2002 12:14:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 58891 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2002 12:14:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2002 12:14:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2002 12:14:26 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g5CCHLv2016641 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 08:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D073A3E.87C4807B@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 08:10:38 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Another SRF-A100 being sold References: <003601c211e4$c4b04fe0$0101a8c0@pavilion> From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Chris send an Address... Neal Christopher Cuff wrote: > I have one Panasonic HS-RF70 left that will tune the EB, and has > positive > stereo indication. $80.00 postpaid in the US, slight shipping charge > for > overseas and Canada. > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: kevtronics > To: > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From shelswartz@yahoo.com Wed Jun 12 08:38:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: shelswartz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 12 Jun 2002 15:38:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 33615 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2002 15:38:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2002 15:38:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14908.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.225.60) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2002 15:38:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20020612153822.74300.qmail@web14908.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.32.196.8] by web14908.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 08:38:22 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 08:38:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Radio Shack AM Tuner To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3D043599.DD8219@skyweb.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Shel Swartz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91652391 X-Yahoo-Profile: shelswartz About 20 years ago (?)< RadioShack produced an AM-Stereo-only tuner.... I guess it went only to 1610. But do any of you remember it, and does it have any value? Thanks... shel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From amfmdx@fastq.com Wed Jun 12 08:45:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 12 Jun 2002 15:45:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 63463 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2002 15:45:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2002 15:45:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2002 15:45:28 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d218-osel.phx.fastq.com [207.173.146.79]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g5CFjQn71859 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 08:45:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <028501c21225$e3bd0220$aaf9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <20020612153822.74300.qmail@web14908.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Shack AM Tuner Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 08:29:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla That would be a TM-152. It is nowhere near as valuable as a SRF-A100. If you are selling it, contact me off list let me know. I would like to buy it. I had one in the past that was modified to receive Kahn xmissions. Kevin Mesa, Arizona ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shel Swartz" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 8:38 AM Subject: {AMSF} Radio Shack AM Tuner > About 20 years ago (?)< RadioShack produced an > AM-Stereo-only tuner.... I guess it went only to 1610. > But do any of you remember it, and does it have any > value? > > Thanks... shel > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jun 12 14:14:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 12 Jun 2002 21:14:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 31654 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2002 21:14:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2002 21:14:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2002 21:14:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2002 21:14:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 21:14:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: record price for Sony SRF-A100 on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003601c211e4$c4b04fe0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 164 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.129 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics 6 minutes left on this auction for a Sony SRF-A100 on eBay, and the current bid is at US $255.00!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1358659899 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jun 12 14:23:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 12 Jun 2002 21:23:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 77152 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2002 21:23:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2002 21:23:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2002 21:23:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2002 21:23:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 21:23:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Radio Shack AM Tuner Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <028501c21225$e3bd0220$aaf9bed8@kredding430cdt> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1292 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.129 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > That would be a TM-152. It is nowhere near as valuable as a > SRF-A100. The Realistic TM-152 was a very simple AM Stereo-ONLY (no FM) home tuner based on Motorola's original MC13020 C-Quam decoder chip. Right out of the box, it offers surprisingly good performance, although its built-in ferrite bar antenna is useless for anything other than strong local stations. However, with a good outdoor "long wire" antenna, it really perks up, and will become a great "DXing" radio, especially during the daytime. My TM-152 tunes up to 1660 kHz without adjustments, and there are a few simple modifications you can do to improve its reception and sound quality. The most simple and effective one is to bypass its audio output circuitry and tap directly into the Left and Right audio outputs of the MC13020 decoder chip. This gives better sound quality because it bypasses the TM-152's audio filtering and gives you full, rich bass. When I have some spare moments I will post the instructions on how to do this to the AM Stereo web site -- it really is as simple as snipping a couple connections and soldering in two pieces of wire. To see the original Radio Shack catalog advertisement for the TM-152 tuner, visit the Radios section of the www.AMStereoRadio.com web site. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jun 12 14:25:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 12 Jun 2002 21:25:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 89760 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2002 21:25:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2002 21:25:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2002 21:25:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2002 21:25:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 21:25:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1660 WWRU in Stereo(?) Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 541 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.129 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Lately I have been getting a Stereo indication from 1660 WWRU (Jersey City, NJ), both day and night. WWRU airs the "Radio Unica" Spanish news/talk network which is produced in Mono so there is no chance of hearing true Stereo audio from WWRU, but I am getting what appears to be a stable AM Stereo pilot tone from them. This is surprising because 1660 WWRU has not been in AM Stereo since at least 1996 or 1997. Back then they were known as 1660 WJDM, and they were the first station in the USA to broadcast in the Expanded Band. From groucho@skyweb.net Wed Jun 12 14:30:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 12 Jun 2002 21:30:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 42143 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2002 21:30:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2002 21:30:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2002 21:30:32 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g5CLXQam014083 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 17:33:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D07BC8F.127D4AAE@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 17:26:39 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Administrative note References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 I am at a Total loss of words here.. I just Got off the Phone with Sony corp. according to them.. the last AMStereo receiver they actually made was the SRF-59 with the motorola C-Quam decoder chip....that was back in 2000 and the unit is no longer made.. So what does that do to all those New Listeners to my station that want to receive AM Stereo and cannot get a radio...Has Anyone Compiled a List of presently available AMStereo Radios that also cover expanded band? or am I just wasting My time making My station Stereo when My listeners cannot readily get a Radio to hear the Stereo....( this was a Question asked me by the station Owner).... Frustrated Neal P.S. Chris I didn't get a chance to get to the post office today will take care of it Tomorrow... From groucho@skyweb.net Wed Jun 12 14:38:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 12 Jun 2002 21:38:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 62359 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2002 21:38:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2002 21:38:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2002 21:38:42 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g5CLfYam015319 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 17:41:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D07BE78.BD046C37@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 17:34:48 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1660 WWRU in Stereo(?) References: From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That may be.....tomorrow I have to go into the NY office and pick up some equipment..Ill ask about WWRU......if Im not mistaken WJDM/WWRU are also owned by Multicultural...I know that they are building New studios... Ill inquire about them Going Stereo... Neal kevtronics wrote: > Lately I have been getting a Stereo indication from 1660 WWRU (Jersey > > City, NJ), both day and night. WWRU airs the "Radio Unica" Spanish > news/talk network which is produced in Mono so there is no chance of > hearing true Stereo audio from WWRU, but I am getting what appears to > be a stable AM Stereo pilot tone from them. This is surprising > because 1660 WWRU has not been in AM Stereo since at least 1996 or > 1997. Back then they were known as 1660 WJDM, and they were the first > > station in the USA to broadcast in the Expanded Band. > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Jun 12 14:57:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 12 Jun 2002 21:57:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 13448 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2002 21:57:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2002 21:57:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2002 21:57:10 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.127]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 17:56:43 -0400 Message-ID: <001801c2125c$316fd8e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <3D07BC8F.127D4AAE@skyweb.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Administrative note Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 17:57:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Neal, as a new comer here, you missed alot of posts about this topic. Currently, there are NO manufacturers making AM stereo radios, outside of a couple of OEM car radios. Sony left, Kenwood left, Aiwa is gone, altho' they still list a few models on theur Japan website, these are throwbacks to their old boards. Sony took over complete control of them and nixed all am stereo. There are no portable radios made anywhere in the world that I know of. So, unless we do it ourselves, there will be no radios. CC From: Neal Newman To: Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 5:26 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Administrative note > I am at a Total loss of words here.. > I just Got off the Phone with Sony corp. > according to them.. the last AMStereo receiver they actually made was > the SRF-59 From shelswartz@yahoo.com Wed Jun 12 15:02:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: shelswartz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 12 Jun 2002 22:02:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 17538 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2002 22:02:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2002 22:02:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14913.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.225.240) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2002 22:02:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20020612220217.25483.qmail@web14913.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.86.163.27] by web14913.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 15:02:17 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 15:02:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} record price for Sony SRF-A100 on eBay To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Shel Swartz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91652391 X-Yahoo-Profile: shelswartz Maybe I'll sell mine! (shel) (su gringo favorito) --- kevtronics wrote: > 6 minutes left on this auction for a Sony SRF-A100 > on eBay, and the > current bid is at US $255.00!! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1358659899 > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Jun 12 15:04:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 12 Jun 2002 22:04:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 94376 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2002 22:04:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2002 22:04:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster1.vcn.com) (209.193.72.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2002 22:04:06 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn74.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.78]) by m1-cluster1.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:04:05 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} record price for Sony SRF-A100 on eBay Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:03:59 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20020612220217.25483.qmail@web14913.mail.yahoo.com> From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And those of us that are POOR!!!! (myself and Kevin R) will never EVER have one :( :( :( :( MJR :( :( :( -----Original Message----- From: Shel Swartz [mailto:shelswartz@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 4:02 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} record price for Sony SRF-A100 on eBay Maybe I'll sell mine! (shel) (su gringo favorito) --- kevtronics wrote: > 6 minutes left on this auction for a Sony SRF-A100 > on eBay, and the > current bid is at US $255.00!! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1358659899 > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jun 12 15:12:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 12 Jun 2002 22:12:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 96045 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2002 22:12:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2002 22:12:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2002 22:12:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2002 22:12:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 22:11:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Administrative note Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D07BC8F.127D4AAE@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3513 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.129 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Has Anyone Compiled a List of presently available AMStereo Radios > that also cover expanded band? or am I just wasting My time making > My station Stereo when My listeners cannot readily get a Radio to > hear the Stereo....( this was a Question asked me by the station > Owner).... The following radios are presently available in the USA and receive AM STEREO with Expanded Band: * Chrysler Corp. car radios from Dodge, Chrysler, and Jeep. Most Chrysler radios with the graphic equalizer and/or combination CD/cassette player do have AM Stereo capability with full Expanded Band coverage since 1993. When I test-drove a 2001 Chrysler PT Cruiser and a 2001 Chrysler 300M, both were equipped with AM Stereo radios. * Ford Motor Co. car radios from Ford, Lincoln, and Mercury. Many of these cars and trucks are available with the "Visteon CD-6" radio with built-in 6 Disc CD changer which includes AM Stereo capability with Expanded Band. Ford has been offering this radio since about 1998, and some of their other "premium" radios also include AM Stereo capability. * GM/Delco car radios in Cadillac cars. Cadillac continues to offer AM Stereo equipped radios in all of their cars except the Escalade SUV. They even list it in their brochures as "AM STEREO/FM STEREO". There is a chance that even their new optional radio with built-in XM Satellite Radio also has AM Stereo. * Audio Design Associates (ADA) MT-3000 high-end home tuner with AMAX certified high fidelity AM Stereo and Expanded Band. * Fanfare Electronics FTA-100 high-end home tuner with AMAX certified high fidelity AM Stereo and Expanded Band. This is a brand new design with excellent performance that was just introduced a few months ago. The FTA-100 is quite possibly the best AM Stereo radio ever made. * Japan Radio Company (JRD) NRD-545 DSP communications receiver with a special C-Quam-compatible AM Stereo mode that works on the AM and Shortwave bands. * Potomac Instruments SMR-11 professional quality AM Stereo tuner, similar in design and price range to the ADA and Fanfare tuners above. There may be others, but this is all that I have on my list right now. Most important are all the AM Stereo car radios which the "Big Three" continue to equip their cars and trucks with. A large part of radio listening is done while driving and these AM Stereo car radios from Chrysler, Ford, and GM are all of very good quality. Just think of how many hundreds of thousands of new vehicles these companies sell every year -- a considerable percentage of which are equipped with AM Stereo radios right from the factory. My own personal first experience with AM Stereo was listening to it on the radio that came with a new car that a family member bought, and chances are that is how many of the people here also got their first experience with hearing AM Stereo. There is also good hope for the future, especially if this IBOC digital thing turns out to be a failure (which it probably will). When that happens, people will still be looking for ways to provide high fidelity Stereo sound on the AM band -- and AM Stereo prefectly fits that need, just as it has done for the past 20 years. And as long as we have stations like 1680 WTTM transmitting AM Stereo, there will definitely be many listeners who will continue to enjoy it! p.s. For the complete list of known AM Stereo radios, with pictures and lots of information, go to http://www.amstereoradio.com and click on "Radios". From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Jun 12 15:15:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 12 Jun 2002 22:15:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 44133 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2002 22:15:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2002 22:15:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2002 22:15:38 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.127]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:15:11 -0400 Message-ID: <003701c2125e$c5dcc180$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <3D07BC8F.127D4AAE@skyweb.net> <001801c2125c$316fd8e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> Subject: Re: {AMSF} SRF59 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:16:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 This just goes to show just how messed up Sony is. They do not even know their own products! The SRF59 DOES NOT have am stereo! Production of the SRF42 ended in1996, and was the last model made for the US market. In Japan, there were 2 models left last year, but both are discontinued. Chris From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jun 12 17:40:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 13 Jun 2002 00:40:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 95127 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2002 00:40:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2002 00:40:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2002 00:40:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2002 00:40:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 00:40:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: SRF59 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003701c2125e$c5dcc180$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1340 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.129 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > In Japan, there were 2 models left last year, but both are > discontinued. I would love to get some insight as to why, even though there is a comparatively high number of stations in Japan still broadcasting in AM Stereo, that Japanese radio manufacturers are dropping their AM Stereo-equipped radios for the Japan home market. Is there a complete lack of communication between the radio stations and the electronics manufacturers? Do the electronics makers think nobody cares about AM Stereo, not even the people who work for these AM Stereo stations? It would be different if Japan had a trend of AM stations dropping Stereo broadcasts, but I have not seen that happening at all. I have listings of AM Stereo stations in Japan dating back to 1994, and there are actually more known AM Stereo stations in Japan today in 2002 then there were back then. I guess I shouldn't underestimate what electronics makers, or any manufacturer for that matter, will do to save a few cents per unit in production costs. I have heard of design changes being mandated on a $30,000 car in order to save as little as 5 cents per car in manufacturing costs, such as using fewer stitches per inch in the seat upholstery, not using plastic caps over the screws on interior panels, making the rear-view mirror slightly smaller, etc.... From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jun 12 17:47:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 13 Jun 2002 00:47:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 71812 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2002 00:47:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2002 00:47:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2002 00:47:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2002 00:47:10 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 00:47:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1660 WWRU in Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D07BE78.BD046C37@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1309 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.129 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > That may be.....tomorrow I have to go into the NY office and pick > up some equipment..Ill ask about WWRU......if Im not mistaken > WJDM/WWRU are also owned by Multicultural...I know that they are > building New studios... Ill inquire about them Going Stereo... I am pretty sure that 1660 WWRU is indeed broadcasting an AM Stereo signal, at least during daytime 10,000-watt power. I checked them with all my AM Stereo radios today, and every one popped into Stereo mode when I tuned in 1660 -- including a Chrysler car radio with Motorola's MC13022 C-Quam chip, which has a "Noise Immune Pilot Detector" which will absolutely never give a false Stereo indication from a non-Stereo station (at least in my experience). And on this same car radio -- a variant of which Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep is still equipping their new 2002 vehicles with today -- I tuned in 1680 WTTM, and your "Stereo" signal sounds very good! The audio is crisp and clear, and having it mostly in the Left channel gives an interesting effect, especially with music. BTW, when you ask about 1660 WWRU being in Stereo, please say that a *listener* told you about it... because this will emphasize the point that people *are* still listening to AM Stereo, and they *do* notice the difference that a Stereo signal provides! From steveking@wgnradio.com Wed Jun 12 17:48:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: steveking@wgnradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 13 Jun 2002 00:48:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 10350 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2002 00:48:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2002 00:48:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2002 00:48:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2002 00:48:09 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 00:48:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Administrative note Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1185 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgnhim" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.204.189 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71806925 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgnhim Unfortunately, the XM Satellite radio does not have AM Stereo. We recently tested a Cadillac with XM Radio as part of our Radio Road Test segment and that was one of the things we looked for. We were also part of a media group that was invited to a preview of the new Cadillacs with XM Radio and when we asked if it had AM Stereo they looked at us blankly and had no idea what that there was such a thing. As an additional footnote, I contacted Bose (They make the AM Stereo found in most Cadillacs.) and asked if that radio with AM Stereo was available for aftermarket purchase. Their response was that none of their products have AM Stereo ... AND THEY MAKE THE RADIO!!!! I decided not to continue the conversation and instead do something more constructive ... like bang my head against a wall. Steve King/WGN-AM, Chicago --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > Cadillac continues to offer AM Stereo equipped radios in all of their cars except the Escalade SUV. They even list it in their brochures as "AM STEREO/FM STEREO". > There is a chance that even their new optional radio with built-in XM Satellite Radio also has AM Stereo. From n0uiheric@aol.com Wed Jun 12 18:17:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 13 Jun 2002 01:17:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 98351 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2002 01:17:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2002 01:17:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m09.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.164) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2002 01:17:53 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.bc.27ec005c (3850) for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 21:17:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 21:17:50 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Shack AM Tuner To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih The TM-152 I have tunes up to 1670. I can get full Stereo on KCJJ 1630, along with KXTR and KQWB on 1660, among others. On 1670, I can get primarily WTDY Madison, WI. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Jun 12 18:41:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 13 Jun 2002 01:41:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 1418 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2002 01:41:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2002 01:41:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r09.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.105) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2002 01:41:57 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.174.9a15bc3 (30962) for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 21:41:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <174.9a15bc3.2a39525a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 21:41:46 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Administrative note To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 6/12/02 8:50:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, steveking@wgnradio.com writes: << Unfortunately, the XM Satellite radio does not have AM Stereo. We recently tested a Cadillac with XM Radio as part of our Radio Road Test segment and that was one of the things we looked for. We were also part of a media group that was invited to a preview of the new Cadillacs with XM Radio and when we asked if it had AM Stereo they looked at us blankly and had no idea what that there was such a thing. As an additional footnote, I contacted Bose (They make the AM Stereo found in most Cadillacs.) and asked if that radio with AM Stereo was available for aftermarket purchase. >> Blame it all on the stigma of the "AM radio is dead" thing that the large radio corporations has spread.It propaganda at work and I see no 180 degree turn around anytime soon.If AM Stereo receivers are going to return to the market place...then someone among us needs deep pockets and start manufacturing receivers and hopefully making a market for them { lots of ads educating people about AM Stereo...lots of demos...then getting at least 90% of AM stations to convert to stereo....and stations running programming to make AM stereo something in their eyes something worth doing..something other than satellite driven radio....which is the norm now}. Its gonna be a tough row to hoe with a lot of weeds to get rid of. 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Actually, Bose does NOT make any car radios themselves. They simply put their "stamp of approval" on radios made by other companies. The Cadillac "BOSE" radios are made by Delco (actually called "Delphi" now) just like all other GM car radios, including the ones with AM Stereo. What Bose does is design the speaker and amplifier system and then licenses it to Delphi to build according to Bose specifications. That is why the Delphi radio in Cadillacs can have the "Bose" label on it. This is the same thing as the Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep car radios called "Infinity". Infinity doesn't actually make these radios -- they are just standard Chrysler Corporation radios with the Infinity name on them. All Infinity does is design the amplifier system and provide the speakers. For example, we have a 1995 Jeep with the "INFINITY GOLD" system. The radio, WITH AM Stereo, has the Infinity logo on it, but it is most certainly not made by Infinity! The radio is just a plain Chrysler radio, either made by Chrysler itself in Huntsville, Alabama, or made by Mitsuibishi in Japan according to Chrysler specs. So it could even be a triple-branded radio: made by Mitsubishi, for use by Chrysler Corp., and then with the Infinity name put on it! Anyway, regarding domestic cars with AM Stereo radios, I've heard a rumour that there is some connection between the "Big Three" car-makers in Detroit, and WJR 760 AM Stereo in Detroit... that as long as WJR broadcasts in AM Stereo, the car-makers will produce AM Stereo car radios to receive it, and as long as they sell cars that come equipped with AM Stereo radios, WJR will continue to broadcast in AM Stereo.... From amfmdx@fastq.com Wed Jun 12 23:23:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 13 Jun 2002 06:23:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 78186 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2002 06:23:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2002 06:23:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2002 06:23:26 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d45-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.77]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g5D6NOn95308 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 23:23:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <03c701c212a2$51daf060$aaf9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} record price for Sony SRF-A100 on eBay Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 23:19:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > And those of us that are POOR!!!! (myself and Kevin R) will never EVER have > one :( :( :( :( Thats about the size of it. I have a SRF-A1 and thats pretty much an A100 without the speakers. I would LOVE to have one someday but can't do $255. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Jun 13 00:37:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 13 Jun 2002 07:37:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 34639 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2002 07:37:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2002 07:37:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2002 07:37:27 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.35]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 03:37:01 -0400 Message-ID: <002201c212ad$41d95700$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <03c701c212a2$51daf060$aaf9bed8@kredding430cdt> Subject: Re: {AMSF} record price for Sony SRF-A100 on eBay Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 03:38:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 The GOOD thing about this, is that people watch this stuff like a hawk, and now the floodgates will open- wait & see. The ONLY reason this one hit so high is because of the original box and phenominal condition. Sony collectors are many, and they want pristine stuff. cc ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin To: Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 2:19 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} record price for Sony SRF-A100 on eBay > > And those of us that are POOR!!!! (myself and Kevin R) will never EVER > have > > one :( :( :( :( From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Jun 13 00:44:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 13 Jun 2002 07:44:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 9708 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2002 07:44:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2002 07:44:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2002 07:44:33 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.35]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 03:44:07 -0400 Message-ID: <003001c212ae$3fe6e060$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <174.9a15bc3.2a39525a@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Administrative note Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 03:45:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I started nagging Bose in 1993- about the lack of am stereo in the then-new Wave radio. At that time, there were LOTS of stations broadcasting music in stereo. They are a very pig headed company about some things, and this is one. If the idea is not liked by their engineers, it will never be implemented. They DID try it-only in the lab, using the quirky MC13020, but didn't persue it. They actually have a pre-printed form letter that a lot of us got in response to questions about lack of am stereo. cc ----- Original Message ----- From: From amfmdx@fastq.com Thu Jun 13 00:44:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 13 Jun 2002 07:44:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 82385 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2002 07:44:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2002 07:44:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2002 07:44:47 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d45-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.77]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g5D7ijn95964 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 00:44:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <047b01c212ad$8a87e840$aaf9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <03c701c212a2$51daf060$aaf9bed8@kredding430cdt> <002201c212ad$41d95700$0101a8c0@pavilion> Subject: Re: {AMSF} record price for Sony SRF-A100 on eBay Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 00:40:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > The GOOD thing about this, is that people watch this stuff like a hawk, and > now the floodgates will open- wait & see. The ONLY reason this one hit so > high is because of the original box and phenominal condition. Sony > collectors are many, and they want pristine stuff. I hope you are right but the last few ones I have seen sold have been quite expensive. Even the ragged out one that was sold the last time was way up there. I just can't figure why the manufacturers don't see this and say that they can make money on selling something like this. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From amfmdx@fastq.com Thu Jun 13 00:52:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 13 Jun 2002 07:52:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 70121 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2002 07:52:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2002 07:52:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2002 07:52:31 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d45-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.77]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g5D7qTn96004 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 00:52:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <048301c212ae$9a7ba880$aaf9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <174.9a15bc3.2a39525a@aol.com> <003001c212ae$3fe6e060$0101a8c0@pavilion> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Administrative note Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 00:47:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > I started nagging Bose in 1993- about the lack of am stereo in the then-new > Wave radio. At that time, there were LOTS of stations broadcasting music in > stereo. I bought a Wave Radio in 1994. The first thing I noted was no AM stereo and I called them. It was a complete waste of time. > They actually have a pre-printed form letter that a lot of us got in > response to questions about lack of am stereo. Which is what I got in 1994 and again when we all gave them hell on Bryans and Dennis lists. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From dav259@csiro.au Thu Jun 13 02:51:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 13 Jun 2002 09:51:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 7079 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2002 09:51:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2002 09:51:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2002 09:51:37 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25874 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 19:51:35 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 19:51:35 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Keyboard Action Time! In-Reply-To: <002201c212ad$41d95700$0101a8c0@pavilion> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Christopher Cuff wrote: > The GOOD thing about this, is that people watch this stuff like a hawk, and > now the floodgates will open- wait & see. Chris et al I hate to say it but I'm losing faith. ie. faith in the industry Last December I managed to get a short snappy letter in our two weekly newspaper guides about the anniversary of 3MP being mono for 12 months after 15 years of wonderful stereo broadcasting. And several of you wrote to 3MP/3AK wanting the stereo back - and it's worked. Thanks again. This week I wrote a short snappy letter thanking 3MP going back to stereo to the two local guides - plus The Australian (national) Media supplement and nothing was published. Somehow we have to raise the profile and make this more than a hobbyists dream. Yesterday I bought a Sony VCR and picked up the Australian 2002 Sony Catalogue. I was amazed. Most (and there are plenty!) of Sony walkmans didn't even seem to have radio. This is not only bad for AM stereo - but the entire radio industry - and probably the advertising industry as well. Sony seems to be saying we've got just want you want - your own music - anyway you like it - and in the order you want it. Well I am a radio nut - who just happens to love live and local radio. I even really like local talkback radio. Maybe we should broaden our horizons. We may have to save the entire radio industry as we know it and love it. AM stereo is the major icing on the cake for the AM band. We don't want to see the destruction of either band - unless what we end up with is better! In Sony's Oz Catalogue there are 28 "walkman" products. 21 don't even have a radio! The other seven have AM/FM stereo - and we all know what that means. We must infiltrate other groups - and write heaps. As we promote AM stereo we must save radio the way it still is today. Resulting from a message from our own UK-Dave we had a google board message from Perth on the other side saying: ----- "I was just wondering how the quality of an AM stereo station compares to that of an AM mono station.... and how it also compares to the quality of an FM stereo station. I realise that because FM has a higher frequency, the audio is probably of a higher fidelity, but apart from that.. how does it compare? Over here in Perth, we don't have any stereo AM stations (that I'm aware of), and the AM stations that we have sound relatively poor unless you are quite close to the transmitter (i.e. 882 6PR's transmitter in Applecross)." ----- ... and naturally our Kevin T has offered his intelligent response. By commenting on these general radio lists we are gradually educating people who have a genuine interest in radio and want something better. More of us need to get involved in this. Johnny Electron's FCC submission about IBOC should get everyone's fingers typing. Kevin - let us know of any websites that we can write to to help the cause. And let's all spare five minutes or so to write to them! Don't cry after the milk is spilt ... Ian - Melbourne From dav259@csiro.au Thu Jun 13 03:10:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 13 Jun 2002 10:10:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 21675 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2002 10:10:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2002 10:10:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2002 10:10:17 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25921 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 20:10:15 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 20:10:15 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: a GOOD! radio station ... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public This is not stereo related ... at least for now. 3AK is saying it needs some part worth A$18,000 to resume stereo broadcasting. Scott - have you and Peter Smerdon (mentioned below) reached any consensus on this? But this is good. A radio station that has set up a listenerbase and asks for our help. I truly believe that this man - Jeff Chatfield - who knew nothing about Melbourne radio 18 months ago (he's come from Singapore and Perth) - has helped to breathe life and competition back into our AM band. God Bless 3AK! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:31:51 +1000 From: Jeff Chatfield Reply-To: avation@earthlink.net To: 3AK.Listeners@demon.advent.com.sg Cc: Denis O'Kane , Peter Smerdon Subject: 3ak at night Dear Listeners, Are any of you night owls? There have been complaints that another radio station is interfering with 3AK during the night. We believe that we have tracked the culprit down and they say that have stopped interfering with 3AK at night. Can any of you please confirm this? How is the signal at night (from 6pm - 5 AM)? Is there any difference that you have noticed? We would appreciate receiving your comments on this issue. Regards Jeff Chatfield Managing Director Data & Commerce Ltd *********************** CONFIDENTIAL - not for redistribution *********************** From amstereo@optushome.com.au Thu Jun 13 04:38:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@optushome.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 13 Jun 2002 11:38:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 39819 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2002 11:38:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2002 11:38:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail024.syd.optusnet.com.au) (210.49.20.148) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2002 11:38:55 -0000 Received: from durocket1200 (c16414.ipswc1.qld.optusnet.com.au [210.49.41.33]) by mail024.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id g5DBcre11805 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 21:38:53 +1000 Message-ID: <002c01c212ce$e667a3f0$1a02a8c0@durocket1200> To: References: <1023926712.354.23922.m12@yahoogroups.com> Subject: alfredo lite as am stereo exciter Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 21:38:55 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "voltare - matt2" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=105920058 X-Yahoo-Profile: voltar_e i've asked this before but can't remember who to, and forgot the damn answer. how difficult would it be to set up an alfredo lite am stereo exciter/transmitter as an exciter for a community AM radio station. would it be difficult and could this be used for commercial stations as well? this is one thing i'd like to do for switch 1197 briabane. have the alfred here tuned to 1197 and everything, jsut want to see if i can use it in switches situation. From amfmdx@fastq.com Thu Jun 13 07:23:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 13 Jun 2002 14:23:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 19077 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2002 14:23:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2002 14:23:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2002 14:23:44 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d164-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.196]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g5DENen98901 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 07:23:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <04a701c212e4$e09e2820$aaf9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: Subject: Lawsuit crushes Clear Channel shares Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 07:16:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla 1:57 PM ET Jun 12, 2002 Latest Market Overview Lawsuit crushes Clear Channel shares NEW YORK (CBS.MW) -- Media and entertainment shares tumbled at midday, as a lawsuit against radio behemoth Clear Channel Communications and Hispanic Broadcasting erased most Hispanic's earlier gain on news Univision Communications intends to buy the company. Media stocks were also hit by a warning from Dow Jones Co., which sent newspaper shares reeling and cast a pall over other advertising-dependent companies. Spanish Broadcasting System, owner of 25 stations in most of the top 10 Hispanic markets, said Wednesday it is suing Clear Channel and Hispanic Broadcasting for alleged antitrust violations that have "adversely affected SBS' ability to raise capital, depressed SBS's share price, impugned the reputation of SBS, made station acquisitions more difficult and interfered with SBS' business opportunities and contractual arrangements," the company said in a statement. SBS claims that Clear Channel did these things as part of an attempt to acquire SBS. "These charges are false," said Lowry Mays, Clear Channel's chief executive, in a statement, "and we will, as we always do with frivolous lawsuits, fight vehemently to defend our position and we have every expectation of wining on all counts. The charge that Clear Channel interfered with SBS's ability to compete fairly is absurd and unfounded." Clear Channel (CCU) plunged $5, or 10 percent, to $44.80 in recent trading. SBS (SBSA) rose 35 cents to $12.85. Hispanic Broadcasting (HSP) , up nearly 13 percent earlier, was up just 3.1 percent to $25.20 after the Clear Channel news hit the wires. It had soared on news that Univision intends to buy the company for $3.5 billion. See full story. For its part, Univision (UVN) declined $7, or 18.7 percent, to $30.65. Other large radio companies declined, as Cox Radio (CXR) dropped $1.20, or 4.6 percent, to $25.15; Emmis Communications (EMMS) stepped back $1.82, or almost 7 percent, to $25.09; Entercom Communications (ETM) fell $3.63, or 7.2 percent, to $45.82; Westwood One (WON) fell $1.89, or 5 percent, to $36.15; and Viacom (VIA.B) , owner of the large Infinity Broadcasting radio group, dropped $2.65, or 5.4 percent, to $46.25. Radio Unica (UNCA) advanced 10.1 percent to $1.53. Radio One (ROIA) , the biggest radio company aimed at African Americans, up 6 percent earlier, was off 52 cents at $20.70. Meanwhile, newspaper stocks dropped after Dow Jones said its second-quarter earnings would be in the low 20-cent range, in line with its previous outlook for a profit of 20 to 30 cents per share, but below Wall Street's consensus estimate of 28 cents. See full story. Dow Jones (DJ) fell $1.47 to $51.65. In sympathy, Gannett (GCI) fell $2.05 to $73.28; Knight Ridder (KRI) fell $1.67 to $61.06; McClatchy Co. (MNI) fell $1.11 to $61.40; Journal Register Co. (JRC) lost $1.11 to $19.85; and Tribune Co. (TRB) fell $1.26 to $41.74. Elsewhere, cable stocks were mixed following downbeat comments from Merrill Lynch's Jessica Reif Cohen. Though Cohen told clients Wednesday she remains bullish on the sector's long-term prospects, she nonetheless feels compelled to reduce certain target multiples and 12-month price forecasts "due to market conditions," as the cable sector is down 50 percent this year. "Clearly investors remain very wary of high leverage, despite the fact that most cable operators are fully funded today,' she said in a research note. "Consequently, we are reducing our target multiples for the more leveraged cable operators." Paul Allen's Charter Communications (CHTR) hit a new 52-week low of $4.26 on the session, and was recently off 3 cents at $4.50. Cohen dropped her 2002 cash flow multiple on Charter to 11 times cash flow from 14 times, and her one-year price target to $8 from $11. Cohen also dropped her cash flow multiple projection for Cablevision Systems, to 13 times from 14 times, and her 12-month price target to $32 from $41. Cablevision shares (CVC) fell 8 cents to $14.07. Cohen did add that the company will probably address the issue that for her represents its most significant "overhang," its funding gap. It is likely to do this, she said, by selling its PCS licenses. Cox Communications (COX) fell 56 cents to $29.55, while Comcast Communications (CMCSK) rose 5 cents to $23.54. Cohen cites these two companies as being among those with "strong financial positions and [cash flow] growth rates at the top of the industry average." AOL Time Warner (AOL) reached another post-merger low, this time at $15.12, and was most recently off 42 cents at $15.43. 2:16 pm ET Jun 12, 2002 This message has been composed of recycled electrons. None of these electrons has been harmed or injured in the creation and transmission of this message but they have been shamelessly exploited for this use. From matthew.trim@eds.com Thu Jun 13 07:34:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 13 Jun 2002 14:34:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 16201 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2002 14:34:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2002 14:34:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2002 14:34:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2002 14:34:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:34:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: I posted some AMS MP3 links to aus.radio.broadcast Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1868 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bofh2k2000" X-Originating-IP: 203.45.153.98 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Hi! Just posted some links to AMS MP3's on aus.radio.broadcast Here they are for your enjoyment (note the files are NOT served from Kevin's server, rather from my ISP Datafast, I have redirected www.amstereoradio.com/bofh/ there (this does not affect the operation of www.amstereoradio.com of course!). Might be able to host some more AMS files there if this goes OK-Hopefully they won't mind too much if the traffic isn't too big!) Also this means if storage becomes available on other servers we can redirect downloads from http://www.amstereoradio.com/whateverurl/ to these servers to keep the URL's consistent! 4AK 1242 - Toowoomba, Queensland - 2002 http://www.amstereoradio.com/bofh/4AK-All_That_You_Leave_Behind_SRF- A1.mp3 http://www.amstereoradio.com/bofh/4AK-Medley_SRF-A1.mp3 http://www.amstereoradio.com/bofh/4AK-Sexy_Baby_SRF-A1.mp3 http://www.amstereoradio.com/bofh/4AK-In_The_End_SRF-A1.mp3 http://www.amstereoradio.com/bofh/4AK-Inspiration_SRF-A1.mp3 http://www.amstereoradio.com/bofh/4AK-Spin_Me_Round_SRF-A1.mp3 http://www.amstereoradio.com/bofh/4AK-Cause_I_Got_High_SRF-A1.mp3 4 TAB 1008 - Brisbane, Queensland - 2002 http://www.amstereoradio.com/bofh/4TAB-Cheating_Dot_Com_SRF-A1.mp3 http://www.amstereoradio.com/bofh/4TAB-In_Your_Eyes_SRF-A1.mp3 http://www.amstereoradio.com/bofh/4TAB-Crush_On_You_SRF-A1.mp3 http://www.amstereoradio.com/bofh/4TAB-Place_I_Run_To_SRF-A1.mp3 http://www.amstereoradio.com/bofh/4TAB-End_Of_Day_SRF-A1.mp3 Recently a problem has developed with 4TAB's left channel audio. Here are two samples in case someone can help them with the problem. http://www.amstereoradio.com/bofh/4TAB-Everything_ST-JX220A.mp3 http://www.amstereoradio.com/bofh/4TAB- Current_Left_Channel_Audio_Problem_ST-JX220A.mp3 Finally something I found on the Net... go 3XY fans! http://www.amstereoradio.com/bofh/3XYhifi.mp3 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jun 13 13:47:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 13 Jun 2002 20:47:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 97495 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2002 20:47:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2002 20:47:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2002 20:47:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2002 20:47:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 20:47:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT: good FM DXing Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1367 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.83.28 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics This is not related to AM Stereo, but interesting nonetheless, at least to me.... if you are along the Eastern coast of the USA, pay close attention to the FM dial during late evenings for some unusual long-distance reception. Just last night, listeners in New York City reported hearing FM stations from places as far away as Illinois and Iowa. I haven't had that much luck, but during previous FM DXings sessions here in New Jersey, I have heard stations all the way from North Carolina through the Cape Cod section of Massachusetts, all on the same night and all only using a Panasonic walkman with the headphone cord acting as the antenna. A must for good long-distance FM reception is a radio with good selectivity and a directionable antenna. I have found that a GM/Delco radio radio set up with a DC power supply (for home use) and a simple whip antenna makes an excellent choice. Delco radios have the best FM selectivity that I have ever encountered -- you will hear stations with every 0.2 MHz click of the dial all the way from 88.1 to 107.9 MHz, and a station has to be extremely strong for it to "splatter" onto adjacent channels. As for the *AM* band we all know and love, it has been nothing special lately as far as DXing goes, but that is logical because AM DXing is best in the winter, while FM DXing is best in the summer. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jun 13 13:59:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 13 Jun 2002 20:59:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 5235 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2002 20:58:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2002 20:58:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2002 20:58:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2002 20:58:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 20:58:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: good FM DXing Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1381 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.83.28 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Sorry to split this into two messages, but here is another FM DX report from last night I found on a NYC radio message board: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> First sign something was going on, Ch.2 through 5 on TV were blurred severely and fading out. Put on FM and was astonished on what I got from here in Nassau county, Long Island, NY: KCRR 97.7 Grundy,Iowa (rock) KOLV 100.1 Olivia,Minnesota (Real Country 100.1) KMXC 97.3 Sioux Falls,SD (Mix 97.3-Hot A/C) KCGN 101.5 Millbank,SD (Praise FM, Contemporary Christian) This is just awesome! Definately felt weird hearing ads from such far away places. Stations came in quite strong and fade out quickly, so be alert! <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< This most recent batch of FM DXing was likely encouraged by the severe thunderstorms and sudden large temperature drop that the NYC area had yesterday. In fact one of my local AM stations was knocked off the air by lightning and remained dark for about five hours until things could be fixed or replaced. Also, a great benefit for exceptional FM DXing is a radio with RDS (Radio Data System) feature, like some high-end car radios and home tuners, or the Radio Shack DX-398 shortwave receiver. If you "DX" a station that is broadcasting with RDS, all it takes is a split-second and the RDS data is on the radio's display, showing the station's call letters and location! From KC4QLP@aol.com Thu Jun 13 14:08:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 13 Jun 2002 21:08:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 4918 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2002 21:08:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2002 21:08:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.34) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2002 21:08:27 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.15c.ec7e279 (30950) for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 17:08:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <15c.ec7e279.2a3a63c8@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 17:08:24 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: good FM DXing To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 6/13/02 4:49:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kevtronics@yahoo.com writes: << This is not related to AM Stereo, but interesting nonetheless, at least to me.... if you are along the Eastern coast of the USA, pay close attention to the FM dial during late evenings for some unusual long-distance reception. Just last night, listeners in New York City reported hearing FM stations from places as far away as Illinois and Iowa. >> An interesting opening occured this afternoon...stations into Canada and Minnesota made there selfs known in Eastern NC. From about 1030 this morning til abot 2 this afternoon it was a free for all on the FM BCB where the MUF reached 98 mhz. 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Wjeer are you? ANYONE: If you think you have DXed a South Florida or Tampa-area FM station and are not sure, ;et me know as I might be able to help you with call letters, etc. shel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From shelswartz@yahoo.com Thu Jun 13 14:34:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: shelswartz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 13 Jun 2002 21:34:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 52647 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2002 21:34:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2002 21:34:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14905.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.225.57) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2002 21:34:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20020613213436.36522.qmail@web14905.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.86.166.52] by web14905.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:34:36 PDT Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:34:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: good FM DXing To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20020613212550.50146.qmail@web14908.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Shel Swartz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91652391 X-Yahoo-Profile: shelswartz CORRECTING STUPID SPELLING TRICKS I DID: --- Shel Swartz wrote: > > Kev: I'm in Florida. Where are you? > > ANYONE: If you think you have DXed a South Florida > or > Tampa-area FM station and are not sure, Let me know > as > I might be able to help you with call letters, etc. > > shel > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Jun 13 15:15:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 13 Jun 2002 22:15:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 58965 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2002 22:15:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2002 22:15:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2002 22:15:47 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.132]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 18:15:24 -0400 Message-ID: <001101c21327$f583c0e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: Subject: Fw: [ ABDX ] Wierd FM! Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 18:16:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 This is so funny!- I just posted this letter to the ABDX list this afternoon- I do not know why, but FM sure WAS unbelieveable- and this was all at 12 noon! CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher Cuff To: Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 2:59 PM Subject: [ ABDX ] Wierd FM! > Today, I noticed unbelieveable FM DXing- My usual stations were being over > powered by stations out west! Mankato MN, Fargo ND and some from Wisconsin- > there were too many to log, and they were being cycled back and forth with > eastern stations. > In 40 years I have never had FM do this! > Weather was foggy, cool, and time was noon to 1 PM, EDST- > CC From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jun 13 15:46:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 13 Jun 2002 22:46:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 6709 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2002 22:46:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2002 22:46:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2002 22:46:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2002 22:46:18 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:46:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fw: [ ABDX ] Wierd FM! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001101c21327$f583c0e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 866 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.83.28 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I do not know why, but FM sure WAS unbelieveable- and this was all > at 12 noon! I missed most of today's and yesterday's FM DXing, as I was faithfully listening to *AM* all the while, but my personal best for FM was hearing "Today's Country 99.9" KTCS-FM from Fort Smith, Arkansas here in NJ. This was on a hot August afternoon, while driving, using a standard Panasonic-made VW car radio. KTCS was coming in clearly for at least 20 minutes, in full Stereo, with absolutely no trace of a semi-local 50,000-watt station on the same frequency. The only possible help for this DX was that I was using Radio Shack's largest car antenna, with the spring-loaded mounting, which is about 55 inches tall when fully extended -- compared to 28 to 30 inches for an original equipment car antenna. This extra height noticeably increased AM reception as well. From groucho@skyweb.net Thu Jun 13 16:03:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 13 Jun 2002 23:03:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 87768 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2002 23:03:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2002 23:03:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2002 23:03:33 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g5DN6REk013939 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 19:06:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D0923E2.91D9086A@skyweb.net> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 18:59:46 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Hi Kevin Last night I was at the site Trying to balance out the Left and Right...Until I get a good receiver I wont be able to tell except for what I see on the Modulation Meter.. I may Even have the system wired wrong. BOB you can Chime In.... Besides having the Left and right Connected to the Stereo Exciter I still have the Left side Connected directly to the Transmitters Normal Audio Input. I also wonder If I made an Error Today... I was at the Main office in NYC today.. and My Boss wanted to Give me a Brand New Digital Optimod 9200. I told him No thanks...I wanted to keep My Optimod 9100b since its a stereo unit... should I have Taken that 9200 anyway? It been Haunting me all day... anyone else out there using an optimod 9100b for their Stations? that can Comment.. last.... WWRU is not based with us I thought it was?or is in the Process of being Acquired? Im not sure.. But I did find it courious that when I told My boss I was making My station Stereo again.. He Flinched and Said "why...AM stereo.. Its is So Noisy" LOL.... His Flagship station is AM Stereo and He's not Complaining about that one LOL I just thought that was Funny Neal From matthew.trim@eds.com Thu Jun 13 16:19:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 13 Jun 2002 23:19:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 73321 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2002 23:19:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2002 23:19:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns5.eds.com) (203.17.185.230) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2002 23:19:42 -0000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com (nnsy-3.eds.com [192.168.1.1]) by ns5.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g5DNJfF11569 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:19:41 +1000 (EST) Received: from nnsy.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5DNJdP24805 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:19:39 +1000 (EST) Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5DNJcG24799 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:19:38 +1000 (EST) Received: by AUSYM000 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:19:31 +1000 Message-ID: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542803F52FF6@AUSYM200> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:19:29 +1000 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Neal, See if he'll buy you an Omnia 3AM (it is stereo!) http://www.omniaaudio.com/products/omnia3/3am.htm A lot cheaper than the Optimod 9200 and arguably better sound! (and under $US4000) :) -----Original Message----- From: Neal Newman [mailto:groucho@skyweb.net] Sent: Friday, 14 June 2002 9:00 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hi Kevin Last night I was at the site Trying to balance out the Left and Right...Until I get a good receiver I wont be able to tell except for what I see on the Modulation Meter.. I may Even have the system wired wrong. BOB you can Chime In.... Besides having the Left and right Connected to the Stereo Exciter I still have the Left side Connected directly to the Transmitters Normal Audio Input. I also wonder If I made an Error Today... I was at the Main office in NYC today.. and My Boss wanted to Give me a Brand New Digital Optimod 9200. I told him No thanks...I wanted to keep My Optimod 9100b since its a stereo unit... should I have Taken that 9200 anyway? It been Haunting me all day... anyone else out there using an optimod 9100b for their Stations? that can Comment.. From matthew.trim@eds.com Thu Jun 13 18:18:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 14 Jun 2002 01:18:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 53028 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2002 01:18:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2002 01:18:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns5.eds.com) (203.17.185.230) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2002 01:18:24 -0000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com (nnsy-3.eds.com [192.168.1.1]) by ns5.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g5E1IMF10868 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:18:22 +1000 (EST) Received: from nnsy.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5E1IKP22989 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:18:20 +1000 (EST) Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5E1IJG22975 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:18:20 +1000 (EST) Received: by AUSYM000 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:18:11 +1000 Message-ID: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542803F52FFC@AUSYM200> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} alfredo lite as am stereo exciter Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:18:10 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 G'day Voltare, Here's Scotts reply from a few months ago.. basically it is possible but sounds very messy and definately not plug and play... might be better trying to find an a working Motorola Exciter and just replace the Crystal to get the correct 1197 frequency.. -----Original Message----- From: Scott Todd Sent: Monday, 7 January 2002 2:07 PM To: amstereo@nrcdxas.org Subject: Re: [amstereo] How good is the Alfredo Lite exciter? The answer is a qualified yes. The circuit would have to be modified so as to eliminate the final NE602 modulator chip which puts the L+R on the envelope part of the signal, since in the case of a broadcast transmitter the L+R would go to the transmitter's conventional audio input, and the L-R is fed where the crystal normally goes. You wouldn't want that signal to be amplitude modulated. There is another shortcoming- this exciter lacks the necessary adjustments needed to more closely synchronize the L-R and L+R signals, since the L-R has to go through all the RF stages of the transmitter whereas the L+R isn't applied til the final amp via the modulator stage. You will get some stereo, but it will not be as good as it could be. I'm not a design engineer, so I couldn't tell you what needs to be done to modify it. If I'm fortunate enough to acquire an AMS generator, I'll study the circuit and maybe I could think of a way to adapt it, but who knows when that'll happen? The final shortcoming is there's no trimmer cap to set the crystal right on frequency, but that's an easy remedy. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Trim, Matthew L > I was thinking, is the Alfredo Lite exciter built by Chris Cuff usable as a > stereo exciter for a broadcast AM transmitter? Could it be made legal by > addition of the necessary frequency filters? How close to a professional AM > Stereo exciter in terms of quality would it be? -----Original Message----- From: voltare - matt2 Sent: Thursday, 13 June 2002 9:39 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} alfredo lite as am stereo exciter i've asked this before but can't remember who to, and forgot the damn answer. how difficult would it be to set up an alfredo lite am stereo exciter/transmitter as an exciter for a community AM radio station. would it be difficult and could this be used for commercial stations as well? this is one thing i'd like to do for switch 1197 briabane. have the alfred here tuned to 1197 and everything, jsut want to see if i can use it in switches situation. From kfornal@loa.com Thu Jun 13 19:31:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kfornal@loa.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 14 Jun 2002 02:31:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 89480 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2002 02:31:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2002 02:31:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao04.cox.net) (68.1.17.241) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2002 02:31:09 -0000 Received: from OMNIBOOK ([68.9.127.164]) by lakemtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020614023110.QMDA4949.lakemtao04.cox.net@OMNIBOOK> for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:31:10 -0400 To: Subject: Heard WTTM 1680 AM Stereo in Mass! Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:30:39 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c2134b$7c431040$0401a8c0@OMNIBOOK> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Keith Fornal" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110312140 X-Yahoo-Profile: theradboy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was in my friends 1994 Mercury last night enjoying the opportunity to listen to its sweet AM Stereo and I picked up WTTM with the stereo light glowing! This was at about 9:15 pm in North Attleboro, MA which is about 10 miles north of Providence, RI and 30 miles SW of Boston, MA. Before sunset, I was listening to my closest AM Stereo station, WINY 1350 in Putnam, CT but did not get the stereo light. Are they still in stereo? They were playing AC music off satellite. I also noticed that WBZ 1030 Boston has yet to return to stereo. Anyone know when/if they are expected to be back in Stereo? I also briefly picked up WWRU 1660 in Stereo, but WTTM was much clearer. Other AM Stereo catches were WPTR 1540 from Albany, NY, WWKB 1520 Buffalo, NY and WPHT 1210 Philadelphia, PA. Keith Fornal Treasurer Dutch Island Lighthouse Society www.dutchislandlighthouse.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Thu Jun 13 19:42:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 14 Jun 2002 02:42:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 94734 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2002 02:42:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2002 02:42:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2002 02:42:23 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g5E2jAEk041120 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:45:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D095723.A34D368@skyweb.net> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:38:30 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Heard WTTM 1680 AM Stereo in Mass! References: <000801c2134b$7c431040$0401a8c0@OMNIBOOK> From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Keith Thanks for the report Glad to Hear that You heard the station.. How did it sound?other than seeing the Stereo Pilot Light.. . Neal Newman Chief Engineer and Pilot light maker WTTM 1680 AM STEREO Princeton,New Jersey Americas Largest South Asian Music,News,Talk Station. Keith Fornal wrote: > I was in my friends 1994 Mercury last night enjoying the opportunity > to > listen to its sweet AM Stereo and I picked up WTTM with the stereo > light > glowing! This was at about 9:15 pm in North Attleboro, MA which is > about 10 miles north of Providence, RI and 30 miles SW of Boston, MA. > Before sunset, I was listening to my closest AM Stereo station, WINY > 1350 in Putnam, CT but did not get the stereo light. Are they still > in > stereo? They were playing AC music off satellite. I also noticed > that > WBZ 1030 Boston has yet to return to stereo. Anyone know when/if they > > are expected to be back in Stereo? I also briefly picked up WWRU 1660 > > in Stereo, but WTTM was much clearer. Other AM Stereo catches were > WPTR > 1540 from Albany, NY, WWKB 1520 Buffalo, NY and WPHT 1210 > Philadelphia, > PA. > > Keith Fornal > Treasurer > Dutch Island Lighthouse Society > www.dutchislandlighthouse.org > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Thu Jun 13 19:56:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 14 Jun 2002 02:56:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 16446 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2002 02:56:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2002 02:56:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2002 02:56:03 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g5E2wvEk042539 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:58:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D095A61.FAE58639@skyweb.net> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:52:17 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: found AM Stereo Exciter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Here is one for you Guys out there looking for a AM STEREO exciter.. I came across a Harris AMS-G1 Stereo Exciter ... the same model as Im using On WTTM. for Only $495 at the Following URL http://www.lightnerelectronics.com Neal From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jun 13 20:04:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 14 Jun 2002 03:04:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 36624 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2002 03:04:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2002 03:04:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2002 03:04:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2002 03:04:20 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 03:04:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1680 WTTM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D0923E2.91D9086A@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1819 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.83.28 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Last night I was at the site Trying to balance out the Left and > Right...Until I get a good receiver I wont be able to tell except > for what I see on the Modulation Meter.. It is better now... in Stereo mode, the audio on WTTM is almost perfectly in the center... it is still just a *little* tilted off to the left side, but it is still within the normal range of channel balance I have heard from both AM and FM Stereo stations. > My Optimod 9100b since its a stereo unit... should I have Taken that > 9200 anyway? It would be useless for a Stereo station unless you had two of them... the 9200 is mono only. From what I have heard, the 9100 is *excellent* -- one of the best AM Stereo audio processors ever made. Some say the Omnia sounds better, but I think it is just a matter of how you adjust it. Some stations adjust their audio for the most loudness, while others go for the best fidelity -- you have to play around and find the settings that works the best on WTTM. However, that Optimod 9200 might sound good on mono 1350 WHWH (sharing the transmitter site with WTTM), if they're not using one already. > But I did find it courious that when I told My boss I was making My > station Stereo again.. He Flinched and Said "why...AM stereo.. Its > is So Noisy" LOL.... His Flagship station is AM Stereo and He's > not Complaining about that one LOL I just thought that was Funny Let me guess, you were talking with Arthur Liu, owner of the company? From what I hear, he's quite a character -- in some ways reminiscent of Leonard Kahn. And yes, Arthur's flagship station 930 WPAT is in full AM STEREO and even promotes it on the air all the time. WPAT has excellent Stereo audio -- you might ask what processing they use, and what settings, to see if you can match that on WTTM! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jun 13 20:16:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 14 Jun 2002 03:16:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 39665 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2002 03:16:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2002 03:16:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2002 03:16:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2002 03:16:14 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 03:16:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: found AM Stereo Exciter Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D095A61.FAE58639@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 618 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.83.28 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Here is one for you Guys out there looking for a AM STEREO > exciter.. > I came across a Harris AMS-G1 Stereo Exciter ... the same model > as Im using On WTTM. for Only $495 at the Following URL > http://www.lightnerelectronics.com And for those who are interested, here is the spec sheet for the Harris AMS-G1, in Acrobat PDF format: http://www.broadcast.harris.com/product_portfolio/prod_media/amsg1.pdf The copyright date is 1999... so if you can afford $495, you'll get the latest technology, as opposed to the rather dated (but commonly available) original Motorola C-Quam exciters from the 1980s. From kfornal@loa.com Thu Jun 13 20:27:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kfornal@loa.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 14 Jun 2002 03:27:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 82334 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2002 03:27:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2002 03:27:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao03.cox.net) (68.1.17.242) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2002 03:27:12 -0000 Received: from OMNIBOOK ([68.9.127.164]) by lakemtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020614032711.MGJG1975.lakemtao03.cox.net@OMNIBOOK> for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 23:27:11 -0400 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Heard WTTM 1680 AM Stereo in Mass! Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 23:26:48 -0400 Message-ID: <001501c21353$5126dd30$0401a8c0@OMNIBOOK> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <3D095723.A34D368@skyweb.net> Importance: Normal From: "Keith Fornal" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110312140 X-Yahoo-Profile: theradboy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neal, The sound quality was quite good and sounded centered. In fact, the music reminded me of my college days working the parking lot of the Navratri festival in the Raritan Center Industrial Park in Edison! Keith Fornal Treasurer Dutch Island Lighthouse Society www.dutchislandlighthouse.org -----Original Message----- From: Neal Newman [mailto:groucho@skyweb.net] Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 10:39 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Heard WTTM 1680 AM Stereo in Mass! Keith Thanks for the report Glad to Hear that You heard the station.. How did it sound?other than seeing the Stereo Pilot Light.. . Neal Newman Chief Engineer and Pilot light maker WTTM 1680 AM STEREO Princeton,New Jersey Americas Largest South Asian Music,News,Talk Station. Keith Fornal wrote: > I was in my friends 1994 Mercury last night enjoying the opportunity > to > listen to its sweet AM Stereo and I picked up WTTM with the stereo > light > glowing! This was at about 9:15 pm in North Attleboro, MA which is > about 10 miles north of Providence, RI and 30 miles SW of Boston, MA. > Before sunset, I was listening to my closest AM Stereo station, WINY > 1350 in Putnam, CT but did not get the stereo light. Are they still > in > stereo? They were playing AC music off satellite. I also noticed > that > WBZ 1030 Boston has yet to return to stereo. Anyone know when/if they > > are expected to be back in Stereo? I also briefly picked up WWRU 1660 > > in Stereo, but WTTM was much clearer. Other AM Stereo catches were > WPTR > 1540 from Albany, NY, WWKB 1520 Buffalo, NY and WPHT 1210 > Philadelphia, > PA. > > Keith Fornal > Treasurer > Dutch Island Lighthouse Society > www.dutchislandlighthouse.org > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Thu Jun 13 20:30:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 14 Jun 2002 03:30:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 65794 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2002 03:30:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2002 03:30:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2002 03:30:45 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g5E3XdEk046004 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 23:33:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D096283.DB7B21F5@skyweb.net> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 23:26:59 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 1680 WTTM References: From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > It is better now... in Stereo mode, the audio on WTTM is almost > perfectly in the center... it is still just a *little* tilted off to > the left side, but it is still within the normal range of channel > balance I have heard from both AM and FM Stereo stations. Like I said until I get a receiver so I can hear it.. its hit and miss.. But glad to Hear its better.... > However, that Optimod 9200 might sound good on mono 1350 WHWH (sharing > > the transmitter site with WTTM), if they're not using one already. > WHWH is using a 9200 > NO actually Harold Chon is my Boss Director of Engineering... I have Not Met Arthur Liu YET... I have heard hes actually a Gentleman's gentleman... BTW I Asked Harold what he's using on WPAT... got no answer that I could Understand LOL.. I have always worked on FM stuff.. with this Station I jumped in with Both Feet and its a great learning Experience. with No regrets except I wish its Coverage was 20 Miles further North East... but its Not easy to find a Station for sale or LMA in the NY market. I guess we just Got Lucky with this one.... Neal > > Let me guess, you were talking with Arthur Liu, owner of the company? > >From what I hear, he's quite a character -- in some ways reminiscent > of Leonard Kahn. And yes, Arthur's flagship station 930 WPAT is in > full AM STEREO and even promotes it on the air all the time. WPAT has > > excellent Stereo audio -- you might ask what processing they use, and > what settings, to see if you can match that on WTTM! > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Jun 13 22:16:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 14 Jun 2002 05:16:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 93905 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2002 05:16:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2002 05:16:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11704.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2002 05:16:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20020614051601.83411.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.33.103] by web11704.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:16:01 PDT Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:16:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 1680 WTTM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3D096283.DB7B21F5@skyweb.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Neal, I DX'ed WTTM here at 01:07-01:13 EDT on Friday, June 14, 2002. 25Hz pilot tone and signal with very little QRM. Sounded like a local. NO FADING. This was in East Providence, R.I.. I was wondering if I could get a QSL card and some bumper stickers. Thanks, Jay Rogers,N1WVQ/AE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From philipr@irac.pe.ca Fri Jun 14 04:24:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 14 Jun 2002 11:24:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 17675 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2002 11:24:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2002 11:24:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2002 11:24:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2002 11:24:47 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:24:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM Stereo reducing coverage? NOT!!! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 666 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking I'm pleased to report that last night I DXed WTTM 1680 on my Sony ICF SW-77. It was quite weak, so I didn't even think to pull out the SRF-42 to check for stereo. Maybe next time. Of course, using the Select-a-tenna pulled it in pretty nicely. This was around 9 pm ADT [8 pm EDT]. Music sounded like Asian ethnic. So Neal, pull out an Atlas showing eastern North America - it looks like WTTM's signal is making it up to Prince Edward Island Canada - a pretty good haul for an extended band station. My guess that this was just before switching to nightime power. I didn't get a station ID. Is it possible that I was picking up something else? Phil From philipr@irac.pe.ca Fri Jun 14 04:46:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 14 Jun 2002 11:46:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 20897 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2002 11:46:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2002 11:46:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2002 11:46:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2002 11:46:59 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:46:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: FM DXing [OT] Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1784 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking This is way off the topic - but its still radio. Normally in the middle of a summer in Atlantic Canada, FM DXing via what we call Sporadic E is pretty common - resulting in FM stations from Texas, Louisiana, etc. making its way to Nova Scotia and Prince Edward Island Canada. You'll be driving along, listening to 101.5 The Hawk, and suddenly the poor bird is swamped by a flagship C&W station from the US South. That's while in The Hawk's 0.5 mv/m contour too. Makes you wonder why so many AM operations are "flipping" to FM here! Yes, "flip" is the "technical" term now used by the CRTC. Much more common is Troph, whereby we'll pick up another station perhaps 200 miles away. Its very common for FM stations in Saint John New Brunswick to come into PEI - K100 [officially CIOK], C98 etc. Fog really seems to go with Troph, and parts of the Maritimes can be pretty foggy. Morning seems best for Troph - morning is also best for fog. So, when on vacation in PEI or NS this summer, bring some DX gear for both AM and FM. Just don't expect local AM Stereo, except for CJLS in Yarmouth NS and CJFX in Antigonish NS. This is the last summer for AM stereo in the Antigonish through to Sydney area because 580 khz will be going dark soon, in favour of 75kw of Class C1 FM. I expect a large loss of coverage, especially in the hills of Cape Breton. SW is pretty good too - in fact, you'd hardly know about the BBC pulling the plug on North America, as their signals beamed to other parts of the world come in quite nicely. Phil P.S. Chris, do you have any Alfredo Lites left? Any expected to be produced in the next lttle while? Both 1000 and 1250 are wide open here now since CKBW flipped to FM. [Gee, I managed to get this post back on topic!] From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Fri Jun 14 05:42:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 14 Jun 2002 12:42:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 1828 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2002 12:42:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2002 12:42:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.32.181.57) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2002 12:42:14 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 05:42:14 -0700 Received: from 208.228.96.20 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:42:13 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo lites Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 08:42:13 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2002 12:42:14.0156 (UTC) FILETIME=[E8D1E4C0:01C213A0] From: "Chris Cuff" X-Originating-IP: [208.228.96.20] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059 I had 10 more boards made for Lites- Ready to ship by next weekend. After these 10, it will be a while, as I have to order a minimum amount, at a significant cost. Speak up now- CC >From: "tubesareking" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >> >P.S. Chris, do you have any Alfredo Lites left? Any expected to be >produced in the next lttle while? Both 1000 and 1250 are wide open >here now since CKBW flipped to FM. > >[Gee, I managed to get this post back on topic!] > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Jun 14 08:45:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 14 Jun 2002 15:45:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 31120 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2002 15:45:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2002 15:45:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m3-cluster1.vcn.com) (209.193.72.33) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2002 15:45:39 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.96]) by m3-cluster1.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:45:39 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: 1680 WTTM Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:45:38 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20020614051601.83411.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Think I could pick up WTTM here in WYOMING? Now THAT would be a catch!! *grin* Probably not. Usually all I get is KAVT Fresno--Radio Ditzney. Then again I was shocked as sin one night to hear KCJJ from Iowa City at 1630 in stereo when KKWY-Cheyenne faded out. Interesting stuff! MJR -----Original Message----- From: JNR [mailto:a1asurfradio@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 11:16 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 1680 WTTM Neal, I DX'ed WTTM here at 01:07-01:13 EDT on Friday, June 14, 2002. 25Hz pilot tone and signal with very little QRM. Sounded like a local. NO FADING. This was in East Providence, R.I.. I was wondering if I could get a QSL card and some bumper stickers. Thanks, Jay Rogers,N1WVQ/AE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From zyberfred@yahoo.com Fri Jun 14 09:33:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: zyberfred@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 14 Jun 2002 16:33:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 91326 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2002 16:33:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2002 16:33:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2002 16:33:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2002 16:33:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 16:33:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: short-wave stations - any in stereo? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 506 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Zyberfred" X-Originating-IP: 67.251.209.118 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=9445783 X-Yahoo-Profile: Zyberfred I have often wondered if any of the big short wave radio stations have ever tried to transmit in stereo. It should be technically feasable to use the C-Quam system as short wave is an AM system. But the bandwidth by international regulation is only 5 Khz. Year ago i heard of a US station that was planning to transmit in stereo but never heard what happened to their plans. I would like to hear from others on what thye think of short wave stereo. Thank you Fred Lehmann WA0PBL Sioux Falls, SD From groucho@skyweb.net Fri Jun 14 09:43:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 14 Jun 2002 16:43:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 27556 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2002 16:43:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2002 16:43:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2002 16:43:21 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g5EGkFEk040343 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D0A1C40.399C276C@skyweb.net> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:39:28 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo reducing coverage? NOT!!! References: From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Phil I use the Following site to set my sunrise/sunset Times Per month http://www.sunrisesunset.com/ which for June sunset is around 8:30pm But WTTM switches to from 10 kW down to 1 kW at 8:15pm WHWH switches patterns at 7:04pm. I used to have a Problem with this since they share the same Tower. and used to switch down To 3.5kW from7:04pm to 1 kW at 8:15pm.. But No longer do that.since I fixed the problem.. Either Way If you Heard WTTM at around 8:30 to 9:00pm WTTM was Running at 1 kW. and Yes we are Asian ethnic Format. So I doubt you heard another station. Neal Newman Chief Engineer and Pilot light maker WTTM 1680 AM Stereo Princeton,New Jersey Americas Largest South Asian Music,News,Talk Station tubesareking wrote: > I'm pleased to report that last night I DXed WTTM 1680 on my Sony > ICF SW-77. It was quite weak, so I didn't even think to pull out > the SRF-42 to check for stereo. Maybe next time. Of course, using > the Select-a-tenna pulled it in pretty nicely. This was around 9 pm > ADT [8 pm EDT]. Music sounded like Asian ethnic. > > So Neal, pull out an Atlas showing eastern North America - it looks > like WTTM's signal is making it up to Prince Edward Island Canada - > a pretty good haul for an extended band station. My guess that this > was just before switching to nightime power. > > I didn't get a station ID. Is it possible that I was picking up > something else? > > Phil > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Fri Jun 14 09:53:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 14 Jun 2002 16:53:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 41471 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2002 16:53:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2002 16:53:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2002 16:53:57 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g5EGuoEk042318 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:56:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D0A1EC3.97FD0475@skyweb.net> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:50:11 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 1680 WTTM References: From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael Don't laugh or think that's Not Possible.. last week I received a Letter and a MP'3 of a signal report for WTTM from a guy in Colorado..seems I skipped right over the WJNZ signal area.. Tell you what. It took me by supprise...to get that Report.. and as for JAY... since its a New start-up station. things are Going slower that I would Like from the upper management But Normal for this Business.. Im having QSL Certificates Printed Not 3x5 cards. When I get them from the Printer I will send them Out...As a Ham I like to QSL.. so WTTM is a QSL friendly station....as For Bumper stickers.. that's another Project Im trying to get them to Print up. Neal . "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Think I could pick up WTTM here in WYOMING? Now THAT would be a > catch!! > *grin* > Probably not. Usually all I get is KAVT Fresno--Radio Ditzney. Then > again > I was shocked as sin one night to hear KCJJ from Iowa City at 1630 in > stereo > when KKWY-Cheyenne faded out. Interesting stuff! > > MJR > > -----Original Message----- > From: JNR [mailto:a1asurfradio@yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 11:16 PM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 1680 WTTM > > > Neal, > > I DX'ed WTTM here at 01:07-01:13 EDT on Friday, > June 14, 2002. 25Hz pilot tone and signal with > very little QRM. Sounded like a local. NO > FADING. This was in East Providence, R.I.. I > was wondering if I could get a QSL card and some > bumper stickers. > > Thanks, > Jay Rogers,N1WVQ/AE > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Jun 14 09:57:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 14 Jun 2002 16:57:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 39544 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2002 16:57:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2002 16:57:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11706.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2002 16:57:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20020614165758.57919.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.33.103] by web11706.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:57:58 PDT Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:57:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 1680 WTTM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3D0A1EC3.97FD0475@skyweb.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Neal, Thank you. 73, Jay,N1WVQ/AE __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From jsgil@hal-pc.org Fri Jun 14 13:00:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 14 Jun 2002 20:00:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 76489 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2002 20:00:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2002 20:00:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2002 20:00:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2002 20:00:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 20:00:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: short-wave stations - any in stereo? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2269 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.23 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Zyberfred" wrote: > I have often wondered if any of the big short wave radio stations > have ever tried to transmit in stereo. It should be technically > feasable to use the C-Quam system as short wave is an AM system. But > the bandwidth by international regulation is only 5 Khz. > Year ago i heard of a US station that was planning to transmit in > stereo but never heard what happened to their plans. > I would like to hear from others on what thye think of short wave > stereo. > > Thank you > Fred Lehmann > WA0PBL Sioux Falls, SD The station was in the south and I think in Alabama. My personal view on this is SW is more sensitive to abnormal phasing effects caused by selective fading via skywave. C-QuAM being a phase separated system can be very sensitive to this. Even in mono many stations use SSB because of this and there are times when the USB & LSB beat against the carrier in a fashion to severly distort the signal. SW stations usually do not function well in DSB Envlope detection mode during DXing. As a result many SW receivers have synchronous detectors to help overcome this and broadcasting in SSB helps further If C-QuAM was used for SW then it would really only work well locally and DX listeners would mostly listen in mono. If you were to stick with the international emissions mask of +/-5KHz and wanted to get the full 5KHz audio transmitted then you really need a linear additive type system that dose not produce multiple sidebands like C-QuAM which is non-linear. Taking all this into consideration I wouldn't even recomend using a Kahn ISB exciter for SW but use Linear Independent SideBand using the phasing method as outlined in the ARRL Handbook. Most good quality SW receivers have audio phasing filters to recover the SSB siganl from the QuAM detected signal and it would be a matter of only providing a matrix that both adds and subtracts the 2 siganls to obtain L & R. SW is the DX band and its audience contains a larger number of non-local listeners than the AM band. A while back I think Kevin posted a link to a page where a company was experimenting or selling an ISB exciter for SW but I don't know if it was a linear or non-linear system JSG From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Jun 14 13:14:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 14 Jun 2002 20:14:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 22474 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2002 20:14:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2002 20:14:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m3-cluster1.vcn.com) (209.193.72.33) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2002 20:14:56 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.96]) by m3-cluster1.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:14:56 -0600 To: Subject: Floating ground? Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:14:54 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3D0A1EC3.97FD0475@skyweb.net> From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neal, Scott...and all others not "technically-challenged"...... I have a situation at hand. Here at my shop I have my Delco UX-1 plugged into a 12V power supply and feeding into the "line in" input on my computer. I've noticed a lot lately that there isn't nearly as much separation as there should be. I started investigating and discovered the problem to be most likely that the radio has a "floating ground". In other words, the left output of the radio has LEFT+ and LEFT-, and then the right has RIGHT+ and RIGHT-. Neither of the (-)'s are the same. For all this time I've had both the LEFT (-) and the right (-) tied together feeding the common (-) of the line input to the sound card.....which is an unbalanced input. I tried tying the (-) input of the soundcard just to chasis ground, or electrical ground on the radio....neither of which works. I know this is a common issue with car stereos as they've progressed to high-end high-output audio amp chips. In any case......how can I correct this issue? If you tie LEFT (+) and RIGHT (+) directly to the soundcard without any ground (-) attached, of course you get that "echoey" LEFT-RIGHT sound. Then I took the LEFT (-) out of the radio and ran it through a 47ohm resistor to (-) input on the sound card. Did the same for the right (-) out. Separation is much better....but level is lower. I can turn it up and it's okay....and separation is pretty good. I guess I was just curious on how to do this the RIGHT way. I guess it's similar to connecting a "balanced" out to a "unbalanced" in.....although in most radio applications connecting a "consumer-grade" CD player, cassette player, computer, etc to an input on the board I've gotten away with just tying all the (-)'s together for ground. Although as I said....this radio doesn't like this. I seem to recall the output of the radio used to a lot louder as well....so in tying the LEFT- and RIGHT- together, I may have already blown out one stage of the amp. In any case....what is the RIGHT way to do this? I know you guys will probably ask about "impedence" and stuff like that and I have no clue. I know with it being a car stereo unit, we're probably talking either 4 ohm or 8 ohm outputs from the radio. Incoming impedence on the sound card, I have no idea. I'm sure it's typical of whatever all soundcards are. Any ideas? I like getting maximum separation :) Thanks! Michael n WYO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Jun 14 13:18:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 14 Jun 2002 20:18:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 12771 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2002 20:18:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2002 20:18:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster1.vcn.com) (209.193.72.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2002 20:18:26 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.96]) by m1-cluster1.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:18:26 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Floating ground? CORRECTION Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:18:22 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OOPS....sorry bout that folks It's a 47Kohm resister....not 47ohms. :) MJR -----Original Message----- From: Michael J. Richard [mailto:michaelj@vcn.com] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 2:15 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Floating ground? Neal, Scott...and all others not "technically-challenged"...... I have a situation at hand. Here at my shop I have my Delco UX-1 plugged into a 12V power supply and feeding into the "line in" input on my computer. I've noticed a lot lately that there isn't nearly as much separation as there should be. I started investigating and discovered the problem to be most likely that the radio has a "floating ground". In other words, the left output of the radio has LEFT+ and LEFT-, and then the right has RIGHT+ and RIGHT-. Neither of the (-)'s are the same. For all this time I've had both the LEFT (-) and the right (-) tied together feeding the common (-) of the line input to the sound card.....which is an unbalanced input. I tried tying the (-) input of the soundcard just to chasis ground, or electrical ground on the radio....neither of which works. I know this is a common issue with car stereos as they've progressed to high-end high-output audio amp chips. In any case......how can I correct this issue? If you tie LEFT (+) and RIGHT (+) directly to the soundcard without any ground (-) attached, of course you get that "echoey" LEFT-RIGHT sound. Then I took the LEFT (-) out of the radio and ran it through a 47ohm resistor to (-) input on the sound card. Did the same for the right (-) out. Separation is much better....but level is lower. I can turn it up and it's okay....and separation is pretty good. I guess I was just curious on how to do this the RIGHT way. I guess it's similar to connecting a "balanced" out to a "unbalanced" in.....although in most radio applications connecting a "consumer-grade" CD player, cassette player, computer, etc to an input on the board I've gotten away with just tying all the (-)'s together for ground. Although as I said....this radio doesn't like this. I seem to recall the output of the radio used to a lot louder as well....so in tying the LEFT- and RIGHT- together, I may have already blown out one stage of the amp. In any case....what is the RIGHT way to do this? I know you guys will probably ask about "impedence" and stuff like that and I have no clue. I know with it being a car stereo unit, we're probably talking either 4 ohm or 8 ohm outputs from the radio. Incoming impedence on the sound card, I have no idea. I'm sure it's typical of whatever all soundcards are. Any ideas? I like getting maximum separation :) Thanks! Michael n WYO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Jun 14 13:19:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 14 Jun 2002 20:19:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 69596 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2002 20:19:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2002 20:19:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2002 20:19:02 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.78]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 16:18:43 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c213e0$d03dac60$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Floating ground? Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 16:19:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 All of these radios are floating, or isolated ground- I am amazed you haven't blown it up yet! The iC's do NOT like what you're doing... LOL... But- you can run out to any Kmart, and in the auto section, they have the isolation adapters ready to go. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael J. Richard To: Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 4:14 PM Subject: {AMSF} Floating ground? From jsgil@hal-pc.org Fri Jun 14 14:21:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 14 Jun 2002 21:21:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 93473 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2002 21:21:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2002 21:21:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2002 21:21:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2002 21:21:34 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 21:21:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Floating ground? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 336 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.130.6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst Most car radios have balanced speaker outputs to double the voltage swing for more power(4X) since the supply volts is 12V. Tieing the negative outputs together basically short circuits the amps when stereo programming is present. Radio Shack also sells 600-900ohm 1:1 isolation transformers for ~$4 a pice which you will need 2. JSG From groucho@skyweb.net Fri Jun 14 14:31:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 14 Jun 2002 21:31:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 38201 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2002 21:31:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2002 21:31:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2002 21:31:03 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g5ELXsEk090724 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 17:33:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D0A5FB2.AFD54988@skyweb.net> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 17:27:14 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Floating ground? References: From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit well Im about to leave for a gig.. However what you really need to do is get 2 audio transformers 1 for left 1 for right. and wire up the Receiver to the transformers primary side. then take the secondary Side and wire that up to the 1/8 mini connector to the Computer.. then you wont have to worry about a floating ground.. the Audio outputs of the radio would Be Isolated From the Computers ground... You can Get these small Audio transformers at any radio shack store really cheap... Besides being a broadcast Engineer.. I own a world class Recording studio..and Tour as an audio Engineer for many well known Artists. to learn more about Me... Check out My Studio/Live web sites: http://www.angelfire.com/nj/cozy/studio.html http://www.angelfire.com/indie/Engineer Neal "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Neal, Scott...and all others not "technically-challenged"...... > I have a situation at hand. Here at my shop I have my Delco UX-1 > plugged > into a 12V power supply and feeding into the "line in" input on my > computer. > I've noticed a lot lately that there isn't nearly as much separation > as > there should be. I started investigating and discovered the problem > to be > most likely that the radio has a "floating ground". In other words, > the > left output of the radio has LEFT+ and LEFT-, and then the right has > RIGHT+ > and RIGHT-. Neither of the (-)'s are the same. For all this time > I've had > both the LEFT (-) and the right (-) tied together feeding the common > (-) of > the line input to the sound card.....which is an unbalanced input. I > tried > tying the (-) input of the soundcard just to chasis ground, or > electrical > ground on the radio....neither of which works. I know this is a > common > issue with car stereos as they've progressed to high-end high-output > audio > amp chips. In any case......how can I correct this issue? If you tie > LEFT > (+) and RIGHT (+) directly to the soundcard without any ground (-) > attached, > of course you get that "echoey" LEFT-RIGHT sound. Then I took the > LEFT (-) > out of the radio and ran it through a 47ohm resistor to (-) input on > the > sound card. Did the same for the right (-) out. Separation is much > better....but level is lower. I can turn it up and it's okay....and > separation is pretty good. I guess I was just curious on how to do > this the > RIGHT way. I guess it's similar to connecting a "balanced" out to a > "unbalanced" in.....although in most radio applications connecting a > "consumer-grade" CD player, cassette player, computer, etc to an input > on > the board I've gotten away with just tying all the (-)'s together for > ground. Although as I said....this radio doesn't like this. I seem > to > recall the output of the radio used to a lot louder as well....so in > tying > the LEFT- and RIGHT- together, I may have already blown out one stage > of the > amp. In any case....what is the RIGHT way to do this? I know you > guys will > probably ask about "impedence" and stuff like that and I have no > clue. I > know with it being a car stereo unit, we're probably talking either 4 > ohm or > 8 ohm outputs from the radio. Incoming impedence on the sound card, I > have > no idea. I'm sure it's typical of whatever all soundcards are. > Any ideas? I like getting maximum separation :) > > Thanks! > Michael n WYO > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Fri Jun 14 14:41:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 14 Jun 2002 21:41:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 40704 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2002 21:41:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2002 21:41:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2002 21:41:02 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.f8.1ce96184 (3310) for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 17:40:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 17:40:34 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Only $155.40 to listen to the radio for a year! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Yeah and Sirius has lost their mind.Why pay for garbage when you can listen to garbage for free? Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:47:10 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000b01c213e0$d03dac60$0101a8c0@pavilion> From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No luck :( I was looking for the original "floating ground adaptor" that Radio Shack used to sell. Apparantly they don't anymore. Didn't see anything at Auto Zone or Wal-Mart either. The only thing they have are "ground loop isolation" filters. I think I have an old one at home that's a true "Archer" brand "floating ground adaptor" which'll do the trick. Otherwise I'll just pick up a couple of xformers from RadShack and do it that way. MJR in K-Mart-less Evanston Wyo -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Cuff [mailto:ccuff@in4web.com] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 2:20 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Floating ground? All of these radios are floating, or isolated ground- I am amazed you haven't blown it up yet! The iC's do NOT like what you're doing... LOL... But- you can run out to any Kmart, and in the auto section, they have the isolation adapters ready to go. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael J. Richard To: Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 4:14 PM Subject: {AMSF} Floating ground? Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. 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Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From jeffdeck@aol.com Fri Jun 14 16:05:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 14 Jun 2002 23:05:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 29404 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2002 23:05:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2002 23:05:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2002 23:05:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2002 23:05:49 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 23:05:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Floating ground? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3548 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jeffdeck2001" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.195.183 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4430287 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Michael n Wyo, Delco (and many other automotive radio manufacturers) uses two audio power amplifiers for each speaker, both inputs driven 180 degrees out of phase, with the speaker "floating" across both audio amplifier outputs. This provides four times the output of just one audio amplifier. However, if you connect the negative speaker lead to any ground potential, you short one output stage. I will make this a very simple connection for you. Tie your computer's sound card ground (-) wire to any metal exterior on the Delco radio. Connect the Delco left (+) speaker lead to the (+) lead of an electrolytic aluminum capacitor (say 470uFd). Connect the (-) lead of this capacitor to your sound card's left input wire. Repeat this connection for the right channel. Do not connect the (-) speaker leads to anything, and do not connect any left or right speaker leads to one another. Signed, Masked Senior RF Engineer Fortune 100 Telecommunications Company In a message dated 6/14/2002 4:16:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Michael writes: >Neal, Scott...and all others not "technically-challenged"...... >I have a situation at hand. Here at my shop I have my Delco UX-1 >plugged into a 12V power supply and feeding into the "line in" input >on my computer. I've noticed a lot lately that there isn't nearly >as much separation as there should be. I started investigating and >discovered the problem to be most likely that the radio has >"floating ground". In other words, the left output of the radio has >LEFT+ and LEFT-, and then the right has RIGHT+ and RIGHT-. Neither >of the (-)'s are the same. For all this time I've had both the LEFT >(-) and the right (-) tied together feeding the common (-) of the >line input to the sound card.....which is an unbalanced input. I >tried tying the (-) input of the soundcard just to chasis ground, or >electrical ground on the radio....neither of which works. I know >this is a common issue with car stereos as they've progressed to >high-end high-output audio amp chips. In any case......how can I >correct this issue? If you tie LEFT (+) and RIGHT (+) directly to >the soundcard without any ground (-) attached, of course you get >that "echoey" LEFT-RIGHT sound. Then I took the LEFT (-) out of the >radio and ran it through a 47kohm resistor to (-) input on the >sound card. Did the same for the right (-) out. Separation is much >better....but level is lower. I can turn it up and it's okay....and >separation is pretty good. I guess I was just curious on how to do >this the RIGHT way. I guess it's similar to connecting a "balanced" >out to a "unbalanced" in.....although in most radio applications >connecting a "consumer-grade" CD player, cassette player, computer, >etc to an input on the board I've gotten away with just tying all >the (-)'s together for ground. Although as I said....this radio >doesn't like this. I seem to recall the output of the radio used >to a lot louder as well....so in tying the LEFT- and RIGHT- >together, I may have already blown out one stage of the amp. In any >case....what is the RIGHT way to do this? I know you guys will >probably ask about "impedence" and stuff like that and I have no >clue. I know with it being a car stereo unit, we're probably >talking either 4 ohm or 8 ohm outputs from the radio. Incoming >impedence on the sound card, I have no idea. I'm sure it's typical >of whatever all soundcards are. Any ideas? I like getting maximum >separation :) > > >Thanks! >Michael n WYO From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Jun 14 16:09:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 14 Jun 2002 23:09:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 16021 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2002 23:09:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2002 23:09:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster1.vcn.com) (209.193.72.32) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2002 23:09:19 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.96]) by m2-cluster1.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 17:09:19 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Floating ground? Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 17:09:13 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Jeff! I can try that too! I know I've got some caps lying around. We shall see! Michael -----Original Message----- From: jeffdeck2001 [mailto:jeffdeck@aol.com] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 5:06 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Floating ground? Michael n Wyo, Delco (and many other automotive radio manufacturers) uses two audio power amplifiers for each speaker, both inputs driven 180 degrees out of phase, with the speaker "floating" across both audio amplifier outputs. This provides four times the output of just one audio amplifier. However, if you connect the negative speaker lead to any ground potential, you short one output stage. I will make this a very simple connection for you. Tie your computer's sound card ground (-) wire to any metal exterior on the Delco radio. Connect the Delco left (+) speaker lead to the (+) lead of an electrolytic aluminum capacitor (say 470uFd). Connect the (-) lead of this capacitor to your sound card's left input wire. Repeat this connection for the right channel. Do not connect the (-) speaker leads to anything, and do not connect any left or right speaker leads to one another. Signed, Masked Senior RF Engineer Fortune 100 Telecommunications Company In a message dated 6/14/2002 4:16:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Michael writes: >Neal, Scott...and all others not "technically-challenged"...... >I have a situation at hand. Here at my shop I have my Delco UX-1 >plugged into a 12V power supply and feeding into the "line in" input >on my computer. I've noticed a lot lately that there isn't nearly >as much separation as there should be. I started investigating and >discovered the problem to be most likely that the radio has >"floating ground". In other words, the left output of the radio has >LEFT+ and LEFT-, and then the right has RIGHT+ and RIGHT-. Neither >of the (-)'s are the same. For all this time I've had both the LEFT >(-) and the right (-) tied together feeding the common (-) of the >line input to the sound card.....which is an unbalanced input. I >tried tying the (-) input of the soundcard just to chasis ground, or >electrical ground on the radio....neither of which works. I know >this is a common issue with car stereos as they've progressed to >high-end high-output audio amp chips. In any case......how can I >correct this issue? If you tie LEFT (+) and RIGHT (+) directly to >the soundcard without any ground (-) attached, of course you get >that "echoey" LEFT-RIGHT sound. Then I took the LEFT (-) out of the >radio and ran it through a 47kohm resistor to (-) input on the >sound card. Did the same for the right (-) out. Separation is much >better....but level is lower. I can turn it up and it's okay....and >separation is pretty good. I guess I was just curious on how to do >this the RIGHT way. I guess it's similar to connecting a "balanced" >out to a "unbalanced" in.....although in most radio applications >connecting a "consumer-grade" CD player, cassette player, computer, >etc to an input on the board I've gotten away with just tying all >the (-)'s together for ground. Although as I said....this radio >doesn't like this. I seem to recall the output of the radio used >to a lot louder as well....so in tying the LEFT- and RIGHT- >together, I may have already blown out one stage of the amp. In any >case....what is the RIGHT way to do this? I know you guys will >probably ask about "impedence" and stuff like that and I have no >clue. I know with it being a car stereo unit, we're probably >talking either 4 ohm or 8 ohm outputs from the radio. Incoming >impedence on the sound card, I have no idea. I'm sure it's typical >of whatever all soundcards are. Any ideas? I like getting maximum >separation :) > > >Thanks! >Michael n WYO Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bryancain57@yahoo.com Fri Jun 14 17:22:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: bryancain57@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 15 Jun 2002 00:22:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 77809 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2002 00:22:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2002 00:22:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2002 00:22:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2002 00:22:19 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 00:22:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: FM DXing Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 325 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bryancain57" X-Originating-IP: 63.188.40.173 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=111365738 X-Yahoo-Profile: bryancain57 I'm in Cleveland, and have FM DXed to Detroit, with a CCRadio.I was surprised FM could be DXed so well. In fact, I had been trying to tune CFCO's FM affiliate, which I haven't logged yet, and nearly succeeded!I also have no trouble logging BBC, and anything from the Sackville NB relay comes in clear, like Radio Japan. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jun 14 17:49:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 15 Jun 2002 00:49:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 66918 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2002 00:49:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2002 00:49:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2002 00:49:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2002 00:49:33 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 00:49:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo reducing coverage? NOT!!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1318 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.90.17 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > it looks like WTTM's signal is making it up to Prince Edward Island > Canada - a pretty good haul for an extended band station. Not bad... Princeton, NJ to PEI is about 700 miles (1130 km)! My personal record for AM Stereo in the Expanded Band was 1620 WDHP from the U.S. Virgin Islands, to here in central NJ -- about 1680 miles, or 2700 km! And that was recieved in full AM Stereo using my Japanese import Panasonic RF-HS90 walkman with the help of a "Terk AM Advantage" loop antenna. My longest distance of a radio station consistently receivable in C-Quam AM Stereo mode, although not broadcasting in AM Stereo, is WWVH from Hawaii on either 5.000 or 10.000 MHz shortwave. WWVH is frequently heard in the background of WWV from Colorado, and from WWVH in Hawaii to here in NJ is just a smidge over 5000 miles, or 8000 km, using only 10,000 watts and the benefit of an extremely "clear" channel! Actually, 10.000 MHz has plenty of ham radio operators from Latin America using the channel to test their radios and have fun, so you will hear a lot of "Hola Hola Hooollllaaa!!" and other Spanish language nonsense on the channel, but WWV and WWVH still "own" the frequency. And it's really quite amusing to hear all the "Hola Hola!" stuff in the background of the time tones and announcements! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jun 14 17:53:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 15 Jun 2002 00:53:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 71128 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2002 00:53:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2002 00:53:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2002 00:53:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2002 00:53:13 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 00:53:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FM DXing [OT] Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 464 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.90.17 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > SW is pretty good too - in fact, you'd hardly know about the BBC > pulling the plug on North America, as their signals beamed to other > parts of the world come in quite nicely. There's also the Radio Canada International shortwave transmitter site in Sackville, NB.... I passed right by it on a train trip last summer (on my way to Halifax, NS), and was impressed by all the large antennas, but unfortunately didn't have a SW radio with me at the time. From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Jun 14 18:17:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 15 Jun 2002 01:17:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 97779 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2002 01:17:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2002 01:17:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2002 01:17:47 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-141.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.141]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g5F1FXfx010513 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 20:15:35 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <005501c2140a$ec5de480$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} WICC story [OT] Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 20:21:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I'd like to get some of the equipment from some of these stations that have been dark awhile. If you know of anyone I could contact, please let me know. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "tubesareking" > However, I can recall being in the transmitter building of a now > dark 10 kw station, where the light switches in the transmitter > building varied from dim to bright. From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Jun 14 19:22:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 15 Jun 2002 02:22:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 54024 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2002 02:22:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2002 02:22:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2002 02:22:15 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-141.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.141]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g5F2K1fx019355 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 21:20:02 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <010f01c21413$edb08d20$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} a GOOD! radio station ... Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 21:25:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude From what the engineer told me, the problem is their audio delay. Seems the model they had isn't made anymore, and a decent replacement is hard to find. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Davidson" To: "amstereoforum" Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 5:10 AM Subject: {AMSF} a GOOD! radio station ... > > This is not stereo related ... at least for now. 3AK is saying it needs > some part worth A$18,000 to resume stereo broadcasting. > > Scott - have you and Peter Smerdon (mentioned below) reached any consensus > on this? > > But this is good. A radio station that has set up a listenerbase and asks > for our help. > > I truly believe that this man - Jeff Chatfield - who knew nothing about > Melbourne radio 18 months ago (he's come from Singapore and Perth) - has > helped to breathe life and competition back into our AM band. > > God Bless 3AK! > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:31:51 +1000 > From: Jeff Chatfield > Reply-To: avation@earthlink.net > To: 3AK.Listeners@demon.advent.com.sg > Cc: Denis O'Kane , Peter Smerdon > Subject: 3ak at night > > Dear Listeners, > > Are any of you night owls? > > There have been complaints that another radio station is interfering > with 3AK during the night. > > We believe that we have tracked the culprit down and they say that > have stopped interfering with 3AK at night. > > Can any of you please confirm this? > > How is the signal at night (from 6pm - 5 AM)? > > Is there any difference that you have noticed? > > We would appreciate receiving your comments on this issue. > > > Regards > > Jeff Chatfield > Managing Director > Data & Commerce Ltd > > *********************** > CONFIDENTIAL > - not for redistribution > *********************** > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Jun 14 19:37:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 15 Jun 2002 02:37:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 12963 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2002 02:37:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2002 02:37:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2002 02:37:41 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-141.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.141]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g5F2ZRfx021427 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 21:35:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <013d01c21416$162d51a0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542803F52FFC@AUSYM200> Subject: Re: {AMSF} alfredo lite as am stereo exciter Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 21:40:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I suppose I could post a correction to my post- you wouldn't have to eliminate the final NE602, just tap off the L-R modulated component going into it. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trim, Matthew L" To: Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 8:18 PM Subject: RE: {AMSF} alfredo lite as am stereo exciter > G'day Voltare, > > Here's Scotts reply from a few months ago.. basically it is possible but > sounds very messy and definately not plug and play... might be better trying > to find an a working Motorola Exciter and just replace the Crystal to get > the correct 1197 frequency.. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Todd > Sent: Monday, 7 January 2002 2:07 PM > To: amstereo@nrcdxas.org > Subject: Re: [amstereo] How good is the Alfredo Lite exciter? > > The answer is a qualified yes. The circuit would have to be modified so as > to eliminate the final NE602 modulator chip which puts the L+R on the > envelope part of the signal, since in the case of a broadcast transmitter > the L+R would go to the transmitter's conventional audio input, and the L-R > is fed where the crystal normally goes. You wouldn't want that signal to be > amplitude modulated. > -----Original Message----- > From: voltare - matt2 > how difficult would it be to set up an alfredo lite am stereo > exciter/transmitter as an exciter for a community AM radio station. would it > be difficult and could this be used for commercial stations as well? From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Jun 14 20:06:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 15 Jun 2002 03:06:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 40448 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2002 03:06:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2002 03:06:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2002 03:06:33 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-141.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.141]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g5F34Lfx025836 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 22:04:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <019301c2141a$1e509d20$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <3D0923E2.91D9086A@skyweb.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 22:09:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I'm using a pair of 9100s (mono) and a 9200. Can't wait til I get that third 9100 repaired and can get rid of the 9200. I've got the loudest two talk stations on the twin cities dial, and they sound clean too. You did the right thing, Neil. As for the Omnia AM3, those are being used by our friends at Crawford. There's NO reason to settle for a 9200. As far as a receiver goes, what are you waiting for? Most premium car radios 93 and later (domestic) will have AMS. Try your local salvage yard. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Newman" > Until I get a good receiver I wont be able to tell except for > what I see on the Modulation Meter.. > I also wonder If I made an Error Today... > I was at the Main office in NYC today.. and My Boss wanted to Give me a > Brand New Digital Optimod 9200. I told him No thanks...I wanted to keep > My Optimod 9100b since its a stereo unit... should I have Taken that > 9200 anyway? > It been Haunting me all day... anyone else out there using an optimod > 9100b for their Stations? that can Comment.. From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Jun 14 20:07:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 15 Jun 2002 03:07:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 61749 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2002 03:07:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2002 03:07:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2002 03:07:46 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-141.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.141]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g5F35Yfx025995 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 22:05:35 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <019901c2141a$49db28c0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <000801c2134b$7c431040$0401a8c0@OMNIBOOK> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Heard WTTM 1680 AM Stereo in Mass! Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 22:11:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Not going to, from what I've heard. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Fornal" I also noticed that > WBZ 1030 Boston has yet to return to stereo. Anyone know when/if they > are expected to be back in Stereo? From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Jun 14 20:12:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 15 Jun 2002 03:12:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 46334 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2002 03:12:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2002 03:12:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2002 03:12:06 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-141.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.141]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g5F39tfx026530 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 22:09:56 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <01a101c2141a$e54b0780$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <3D096283.DB7B21F5@skyweb.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 1680 WTTM Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 22:15:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude That first part sounds odd- I could find out what any Salem station is using just by asking. It isn't as though you're working for the competition. I can relate to the other comment as well. Never had been chief anywhere, and all of a sudden I'm in a three AM combo, two directionals and a diplex situation. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Newman" > BTW I Asked Harold what he's using on WPAT... got no answer that I > could Understand LOL.. > I have always worked on FM stuff.. with this Station I jumped in with > Both Feet and its a great learning Experience. with No regrets except > I wish its Coverage was 20 Miles further North East... From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Jun 14 20:12:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 15 Jun 2002 03:12:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 46505 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2002 03:12:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2002 03:12:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2002 03:12:24 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-141.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.141]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g5F3ACfx026570 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 22:10:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <01a701c2141a$ef8a03e0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo lites Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 22:15:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude How much for a board? ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Cuff" To: Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 7:42 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo lites > I had 10 more boards made for Lites- Ready to ship by next weekend. After > these 10, it will be a while, as I have to order a minimum amount, at a > significant cost. > Speak up now- > CC > > > >From: "tubesareking" > >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >> > >P.S. Chris, do you have any Alfredo Lites left? Any expected to be > >produced in the next lttle while? Both 1000 and 1250 are wide open > >here now since CKBW flipped to FM. > > > >[Gee, I managed to get this post back on topic!] > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Jun 14 20:14:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 15 Jun 2002 03:14:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 48559 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2002 03:14:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2002 03:14:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2002 03:13:49 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-141.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.141]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g5F3Bbfx026739 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 22:11:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <01af01c2141b$229d4580$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} short-wave stations - any in stereo? Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 22:17:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude That was NDXE, and they were going to use the Kahn ISB system. Never made it to the air. That was back in the mid 80s. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zyberfred" > Year ago i heard of a US station that was planning to transmit in > stereo but never heard what happened to their plans. > I would like to hear from others on what thye think of short wave > stereo. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Jun 14 21:29:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 15 Jun 2002 04:29:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 86883 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2002 04:29:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2002 04:29:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14201.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.143) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2002 04:29:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20020615042906.41961.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.190] by web14201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 21:29:06 PDT Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 21:29:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Radio Speaker Output to Amp/Recorder To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio MJR: don't blow-up your UX-1. Buy a Line Adapter from Walmart, Kmart, RatShack etc...it wires into your speaker outputs of the radio and gives you two RCA jacks to "go to an amplifier" which you can run to your computer sound card, digital or analog recorder, or a big amp. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Jun 15 00:27:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 15 Jun 2002 07:27:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 71102 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2002 07:27:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2002 07:27:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2002 07:27:04 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.51]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 03:26:47 -0400 Message-ID: <003701c2143e$234be720$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542803F52FFC@AUSYM200> <013d01c21416$162d51a0$d3a9fea9@me> Subject: Re: {AMSF} alfredo lite as am stereo exciter Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 03:27:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 You need not eliminate anything- the diagram shows the take off points to use for using as a normal exciter. The problem will be it's drive power- it needs to be at least 5 watts to drive a normal transmitter- You can make up one of Darwin's amps for that. Remember too that I left the original XLR balanced input circuit intact, so the lite can be built for that as well. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd From groucho@skyweb.net Sat Jun 15 01:00:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 15 Jun 2002 08:00:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 62573 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2002 08:00:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2002 08:00:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2002 07:59:59 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g5F82rEk050081 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 04:02:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D0AF31E.3B0D9B1A@skyweb.net> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 03:56:14 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} RE: FM DXing References: From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know its not AM related But tonight at 7pm I heard KRSW in Worthington,MN and at 9 pm I heard and recorded the ID of KZUM in Lincoln,NE Both on 89.3fm taking out the local 10 watt station on the Freq.. heard on My Vans radio in the driveway like I was in their Parking Lots not bad from Englishtown ,NJ funny thing is KRSW is running 100 kW and KZUM is only running 1.5kW and heard it better than the Big Boy lol. Neal bryancain57 wrote: > I'm in Cleveland, and have FM DXed to Detroit, with a CCRadio.I was > surprised FM could be DXed so well. In fact, I had been trying to > tune CFCO's FM affiliate, which I haven't logged yet, and nearly > succeeded!I also have no trouble logging BBC, and anything from the > Sackville NB relay comes in clear, like Radio Japan. > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Sat Jun 15 01:10:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 15 Jun 2002 08:10:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 34406 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2002 08:10:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2002 08:10:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2002 08:10:54 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g5F8DlEk050866 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 04:13:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D0AF5AB.6CB86211@skyweb.net> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 04:07:07 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 1680 WTTM References: <3D096283.DB7B21F5@skyweb.net> <01a101c2141a$e54b0780$d3a9fea9@me> From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ohh Ok I had to read My Lines before I understood what you Ment... My Boss Director of Engineering is korean.. his English is ok But NOT that good. and he is hard to understand at Times..so when I asked what he was using at the Flagship station. He Told me but with his korean/english it might as well have been Russian...I did not understand..... Dont get me wrong that man is very sharp...But if I worked around him I would probably understand him Neal Scott Todd wrote: > That first part sounds odd- I could find out what any Salem station > is using > just by asking. It isn't as though you're working for the > competition. > > BTW I Asked Harold what he's using on WPAT... got no answer that I > > > could Understand LOL.. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From zyberfred@yahoo.com Sat Jun 15 07:10:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: zyberfred@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 15 Jun 2002 14:10:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 65231 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2002 14:10:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2002 14:10:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2002 14:10:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2002 14:10:43 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 14:10:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: KXEL Waterloo, Iowa in stereo? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 212 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Zyberfred" X-Originating-IP: 67.251.209.160 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=9445783 X-Yahoo-Profile: Zyberfred For several days, i have gotten the beacon to light on my AM Stereo Radio Shack tuner. The audio seems to be in stereo from this 50,000 watt powerhouse on 1550. Can anyone else confirm that it is in stereo? From n0uiheric@aol.com Sat Jun 15 15:03:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 15 Jun 2002 22:03:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 29953 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2002 22:03:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2002 22:03:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m10.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.165) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2002 22:03:32 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.18b.94538b3 (18255) for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 18:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <18b.94538b3.2a3d13ad@aol.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 18:03:25 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FM DXing [OT] To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih What about the Voice of America? Their Greenville, NC relay blasts in at all hours! 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From n0uiheric@aol.com Sat Jun 15 15:03:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 15 Jun 2002 22:03:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 68258 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2002 22:03:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2002 22:03:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m10.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.165) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2002 22:03:32 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.c9.23ade3d4 (18255) for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 18:03:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 18:03:25 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} short-wave stations - any in stereo? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih The license for NDXE Opelika, AL was granted to a former on-air talent named H. Dickson Norman, who worked for WJHO 1400 in Opelika. The calls stood for "In Dixie" (it's ironic, because Alabama's license plates bore the nickname "Heart of Dixie"). His plan was ambitious; he had a variety format planned for the station. His plans included the purchase of a theatre in the Opelika area for the presentation of radio dramas, selling American-made goods to an international audience, with the items shipped through the port of Mobile, AL, and even carrying Atlanta Braves baseball. The biggest plan: he wanted the President of The United States to throw the ceremonial first switch at planned sign-on. He probably ran out of money before construction began. I may have heard that WBCQ Monticello, ME was toying with the idea of Stereo; if I were Allan Weiner (WBCQ's owner), I'd go with C-QUAM. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From n0uiheric@aol.com Sat Jun 15 15:03:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 15 Jun 2002 22:03:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 31205 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2002 22:03:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2002 22:03:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.33) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2002 22:03:34 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.e6.298a41b7 (18255) for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 18:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 18:03:26 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Only $155.40 to listen to the radio for a year! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih $155.40 for radio? No way! Which bolsters the argument for reregulation of commercial radio! 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Sat Jun 15 17:56:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 16 Jun 2002 00:56:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 88308 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2002 00:56:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2002 00:56:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2002 00:56:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2002 00:56:20 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 00:56:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Only $155.40 to listen to the radio for a year! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 802 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.149.128.128 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 $155.40 is I'm sorry a little ridiculous for a portable radio regardless if it has AMS or not. You have to listen the music through those crappy speakers. I'd rather spend the $155 on a real home tuner so I can hear AMS is the glory of $2000 reference speakers and a subwoofer!!! --- In amstereoforum@y..., n0uiheric@a... wrote: > $155.40 for radio? No way! Which bolsters the argument for reregulation of > commercial radio! > > 73 and good DX from Eric > Amateur Radio Station N0UIH > Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN > Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 > DXing The World since 1981 > Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel > PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION > "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Sat Jun 15 17:59:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 16 Jun 2002 00:59:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 92691 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2002 00:59:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2002 00:59:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2002 00:59:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2002 00:59:44 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 00:59:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Looking for Sony Amplifier to match ~HELP Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 404 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.149.128.128 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 I'm looking for either a SONY TA-AX320 or TA-AX220 amplifier to match a ST-JX220A Tuner. I'll pay anything to get my hands on either one but would prefer the 320. There was one on ebay but it was to US buyers only. I live in Canada. Please anyone help in the search! I'll gladly pay you in return for the item and complete shipping and handling costs! Thanks, Matt Hawthorne mhaw2001@hotmail.com From amfmdx@fastq.com Sat Jun 15 18:43:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 16 Jun 2002 01:43:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 664 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2002 01:43:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2002 01:43:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2002 01:43:45 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d43-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.75]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g5G1hhn60999 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 18:43:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <010c01c214d7$3a6c5ea0$b0d63fd1@kredding430cdt> To: Subject: CCrane comments on AM IBOC Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 18:43:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla June 13, 2002 To: The Federal Communications Commission We suggest that any implementation of AM IBOC Hybrid be postponed until full analysis of skywave propagation interference, especially to clear channel stations, be closely analyzed and unanswered questions can be answered. We suggest that iBiquity include in the subjective measurements, human opinion while listening to the degradation of the analog audio at 5 kHz verses 10 kHz and observed on the same scale as have been made regarding "improvements" to the AM IBOC hybrid digital sound quality. These tests must be made with music, news, talk, etc. As you are aware, the current tests were performed using MPEG-2 AAC audio coding algorithm. The final implementation of IBOC will use the Lucent technology patented P.A.C. audio algorithm, which has not been tested with this system. One of the main benefits of digital radio is increased audio quality. If the final system that will be used is Lucent™s PAC algorithm, full testing should be accomplished with this algorithm. We suggest that the AM IBOC implementation be postponed until further test data and subjective listening tests are performed using the final algorithm. We suggest that more portable receivers be tested and iBiquity compile a list of the receivers that have adjacent channel interference problems or inadequate filtering. This is imperative because the AM broadcast bandwidth will be modified; whereas the FM broadcast bandwidth remains unchanged. Many portable receivers have bandwidths that exceed 6.5kHz and will be adversely affected by IBOC hybrid signal. While it is true that many receiver manufacturers use very narrow filters, (as narrow as 3kHz) all receivers should not be characterized as performing this poorly. Reducing the broadcast bandwidth to 5kHz will in effect "force" every receiver to have this poor analog bandwidth and all receiver manufacturers will forced to install narrow bandwidth analog filters. The only people who will initially be able to receive the IBOC Hybrid system are in large cities. It is essential to determine how many listeners are nighttime, skywave and clear channel listeners to determine the amount of interference they will receive with the hybrid system. We are requesting that iBiquity fully analyze the potential of skywave first (and second where applicable) adjacent channel interference for numerous receivers and in various situations, especially in rural locations where several adjacent skywave stations are present. At the current 1mV/m contour level required by AM IBOC hybrid, the current service area cannot possibly match analog coverage of even a moderate portable receiver, not to mention a good receiver with a moderate antenna which would receive a signal out to 100uV or less contour area. The data we have suggests the geographical coverage offered by IBOC will be 1/40th the coverage of the existing analog signal. This will compromise the current structure of AM broadcast bandwidth and audio quality and will only benefit people in and around major cities. While FM IBOC seems to be going well, the latest information suggests AM IBOC will be recommended for daytime use only by the NRSC. This leaves the IBOC™s business plan without a disclosed final direction or destination. We are in a free market economy and consumers are not asking for this service. Millions of listeners will lose their choice of radio if full or partial conversion is achieved. The 500 to 2000 microvolts signal needed to achieve digital radio will leave them with degraded audio and potential interference from the hybrid adjacent channels. A country as big as the US must have a iuno costlr media capable of spanning great distances. If history is representative of what the future holds, the last major improvement to the AM broadcast band suffered a major defeat with the introduction of AM Stereo. AM radio format is news, sports, talk and suitable audio quality for those formats is sufficient with the current structure. Talk Radio is now the number one format in the United States. Portable IBOC receivers are not possible at this point because the processor needed to decode IBOC currently consumes too much power and a portable radio cannot be manufactured. Portable radios are one of the most common electronic appliances in the United States. This is a big problem until technology and manufacturing techniques allow this to be viable. Thirteen micron or smaller ASIC or FPGA chipset would be required to make this possible. Our country™s AM broadcast system has served us well. Any new system that is to serve us as well or better should not be implemented while still a work in progress. Sincerely, Robert C. Crane, President, C. Crane Company, Inc. Chris Justice Chief Engineer, C. Crane Company, Inc. This message has been composed of recycled electrons. None of these electrons has been harmed or injured in the creation and transmission of this message but they have been shamelessly exploited for this use. From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Jun 15 20:13:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 16 Jun 2002 03:13:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 63823 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2002 03:13:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2002 03:13:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2002 03:13:28 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-95.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.95]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g5G3BFfx001687 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:11:16 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003401c214e4$42063fc0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Looking for Sony Amplifier to match ~HELP Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:16:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Are there a lot of roadblocks to shipping items to Canada? Last I knew, as long as you paid in US funds, most anyone posting that restriction would make an exception for Canadians. Chris Cuff has done a lot on ebay; I'd like to hear what he has to say. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "matt_haw2000" > There was one on ebay but it was to US > buyers only. I live in Canada. From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Jun 15 20:20:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 16 Jun 2002 03:20:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 67490 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2002 03:20:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2002 03:20:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2002 03:20:53 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-95.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.95]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g5G3Iefx002680 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:18:41 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003c01c214e5$4b4562e0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} KXEL Waterloo, Iowa in stereo? Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:24:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude They indeed have an AMS-capable transmitter. They ran it with pilot only for a year or two, and then they shut it off. Their STL was only mono at the time. Not sure what's up with their signal as I don't hear them as much as I used to, but if you heard some genuine stereo, that means they've been doing some upgrading. Will listen a bit more closely over the next several days to few weeks, and let you know what I hear. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zyberfred" > For several days, i have gotten the beacon to light on my AM Stereo > Radio Shack tuner. The audio seems to be in stereo from this 50,000 > watt powerhouse on 1550. Can anyone else confirm that it is in > stereo? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jun 15 20:46:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 16 Jun 2002 03:46:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 3732 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2002 03:46:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2002 03:46:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2002 03:46:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2002 03:46:38 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 03:46:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: CCrane comments on AM IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <010c01c214d7$3a6c5ea0$b0d63fd1@kredding430cdt> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 928 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.132 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Robert C. Crane, > President, C. Crane Company, Inc. > Chris Justice > Chief Engineer, C. Crane Company, Inc. Overall, these are all good comments, except I find it ironic that they stressed the point that many AM radios have a bandwidth wider than 5 kHz, when the only wide-bandwidth AM radio that C.Crane sells is the GE Superadio III. Their so-called "best AM radio ever made", the CCRadio, is hard pressed to even approach 3 kHz of audio response, and it is one radio on which the IBOC 4.5 kHz audio limit would most likely not be audible! They also complained about IBOC being too complex and expensive to add to portable radios.... and this is the same company which said to me that they didn't add selectable Wide Bandwidth and AM Stereo to the CCRadio because this would make it cost too much.... as if its existing price of $160 is a bargain for a radio that in reality is barely worth half that much! From amfmdx@fastq.com Sat Jun 15 21:17:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 16 Jun 2002 04:17:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 5319 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2002 04:17:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2002 04:17:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2002 04:17:25 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d43-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.75]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g5G4HOn64033 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 21:17:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <022001c214ec$ac2f17c0$b0d63fd1@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CCrane comments on AM IBOC Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 21:17:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Overall, these are all good comments, except I find it ironic that > they stressed the point that many AM radios have a bandwidth wider > than 5 kHz, when the only wide-bandwidth AM radio that C.Crane sells > is the GE Superadio III Kevin, You know what I find ironic? That people here can't just say an enemy of my enemy is a friend of mine. I don't care what CCrane sells and if you or anyone likes their radios or not. CCrane is still a big name and they weighed in on our side. I find it ironic that we all can't come out and say that these guys did a good thing. We should stop pounding everything with a sledge hammer and use a little positive reinforcement. We should be grateful they did, and say that we are happy. They did us a favor. I will not bad mouth them for coming out against IBOC. I think that no matter what they sell or don't sell, they were good to come out against IBOC. This could really be held against them and their business for doing so and they were courageous enough to say anything at all. For a business to do this is very commendable. This statement could actually cost them money. I see you were not ambitious enough Kevin Tekel to make your own statement. Every comment is listed on the FCC site. At least CCrane made a statement and even when it could cost them money. You have no money at stake and say nothing. I promise if you don't go and comment and you bitch, I am going to give you hell like there ain't no tomorrow. If you don't comment, then that shows tacit approval. I hope you comment and do at least what CCrane did. Tonight, I side with CCrane, any enemy of my enemy is a friend of mine. At least they did what most people on this list did not do, they made a stand and made their voice heard. They left their comment with the FCC. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jun 15 22:06:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 16 Jun 2002 05:06:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 44633 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2002 05:06:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2002 05:06:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2002 05:06:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2002 05:06:36 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 05:06:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Comments to the FCC about IBOC due June 18th Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 7406 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.132 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Comments to the FCC about IBOC DAB (on both the AM and FM bands) will be accepted up to Tuesday, June 18th. If you wish to file your comments, you can do so on-line, via this address: http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi In the "Proceeding" field, type in 99-325 (no quotes or "MM"), or you can double-check to be sure by clicking on the "Proceedings" link, typing 99-325 in the search field, and then clicking on the result that comes up ("In the Matter of Digital Audio Broadcasting Systems and Their Impact On the Terrestrial Radio Broadcast Service"). Make sure you follow the guidelines they give, and write down the confirmation number you get after you submit your comments. Here's what I just sent in about 5 minutes ago: ==================================================================== To: The Federal Communications Commission June 16, 2002 In regards to the proposed approval of iBiquity's In-Band, On-Channel (IBOC) Digital Audio Broadcasting (DAB) system, there are many issues that need to be addressed before any new broadcasting format can be authorized for use on the AM or FM radio bands. In this case, IBOC DAB is especially questionable in that if approved, the United States of America would be the only country using it. The standards for analog AM and FM broadcasting have largely been standardized, and even if differing frequency allocations are used, the methods for broadcasting analog AM and FM radio, including the methods for AM Stereo and FM Stereo, are an international standard. The difference in this case is that many other countries are pursuing the use of other digital broadcasting systems, including DRM (Digital Radio Mondial) and "Eureka 147" DAB on the "L-band" frequency range (separate from AM and FM). As of yet, the USA is the only country to show interest in the IBOC method of Digital Audio broadcasting. Even Canada has shown no significant interest in IBOC DAB, and instead is choosing to use the L-band DAB system, with station already operational and following the same format as the DAB stations that are popular in Europe. As for judging IBOC DAB based on its own merits, the results of this have been published and it cannot be denied that its performance on both the AM and FM bands leaves much to be desired. On FM, the major factor is interference to adjacent channels, something I have personally observed while listening to the tests of IBOC DAB on New York City station 102.7 WNEW-FM. On AM, the adjacent channel interference problem is even more significant, hindering its performance to the point where the NRSC has deemed IBOC DAB unsuitable for nighttime use on the AM band. And at the same time, IBOC DAB on AM has another bandwidth problem in the opposite direction, in that it mandates a limitation of the station's analog audio frequency response to less than 5 kHz -- half of the current NRSC standard of 10 kHz audio bandwidth. Considering that an average telephone has an audio response of about 3 kHz, this may be acceptable for voice, but does not offer nearly enough fidelity for the enjoyment of music, and also significantly reduces the high frequency sibilants which make human voice more clear, understandable, and life-like. It is true that many AM radios have a disappointingly narrow audio bandwidth which does not allow AM's current audio response of 10 kHz to be fully enjoyed, but imposing a limitation of less than 5 kHz is a difference that can be instantly noticed even on a typical AM radio with poor audio fidelity. Instead of the complex, expensive, unproven, and non-standard IBOC DAB system with its questionable performance, the ideal choice for promoting higher quality AM radio has already existed for nearly a decade. It is the "AMAX" receiver quality standard, introduced in the early 1990s as a joint venture between the EIA and NAB and approved by the NRSC to be the ideal match to the quality standards for AM radio stations that were introduced at that time. AMAX provides the highest possible fidelity available with existing well-proven analog AM technology, and also incorporates methods that improve reception and reduce interference under a wide variety of signal conditions, ranging from strong local daytime stations, to weak, distant nighttime "skywave" signals. AMAX also makes use of the Motorola C-Quam AM Stereo system, now in use for over 20 years, for the highest possible audio fidelity available from any AM broadcasting service currently in use throughout the world. C-Quam AM Stereo is an international standard, used by hundreds of stations around the world and supported by millions of receivers that have been manufactured since the early 1980s. This is in comparison to IBOC DAB which would have no intalled base of support and would require the purchase of all new transmitting and receiving equipment, a considerable expense laden with the concern that the money would be wasted if IBOC DAB becomes a failure. AMAX AM Stereo have also benefitted from the ideal use of digital technology in radio reception -- strictly in the receiver, so that a robust and fully-compatible analog signal can be transmitted and then transformed into digital mode within the receiver, where advanced Digital Signal Processing (DSP) can be applied to it to significantly improve reception and audio quality. DSP is already in use in radios for both the AM and FM bands and the results are excellent. It allows AM Stereo (meeting the AMAX standard) to be subjectively equivalent to the quality of FM Stereo, or actually superior in some cases due to the enhanced Stereo imaging that AM Stereo provides. DSP also nearly eliminates the typical problems with FM, such as multipath, background hiss, and poor Stereo quality on weak signals. There is no doubt that the intentions of IBOC DAB are genuine -- to provide higher quality radio listening on both the AM and FM bands, something which radio listeners have wanted for decades. However, the serious question the FCC needs to decide is if existing technologies such as AMAX AM Stereo and DSP are sufficient to provide this benefit without the added expense, complexity, and uncertainty of fully digital systems like IBOC DAB. This is important on many levels because radio as we know it today is the most common and inexpensive form of communication available to the people throughout the world. Analog AM radio has now been in use for over 80 years, with an unsurpassed level of availability, which is especially important in emergency situations where a simple AM transistor radio is the most basic and most reliable method of bringing potentionally life-saving information to the public. In their current forms, receivers for any digital radio system such as IBOC DAB, Eureka 147 DAB, or XM or Sirius satellite radio, are all too complex and power-hungry to be made into a receiver that can fit in the palm of your hand and run for months on a set of regular alkaline batteries. All radio systems need to be widely and inexpensively available in a variety of forms, and if IBOC DAB is incapable of meeting this requirement, that is just another stumbling block for it and another advantage of existing radio technologies. Kevin M. Tekel, N2WTO {{mailing address}} kevtronics@yahoo.com FCC-Licensed Amateur Radio Operator Webmaster of The AM Stereo Web Site http://www.AMStereoRadio.com/ From amfmdx@fastq.com Sat Jun 15 22:14:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 16 Jun 2002 05:14:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 21949 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2002 05:14:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2002 05:14:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2002 05:14:26 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d43-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.75]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g5G5EOn64523 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:14:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <024501c214f4$9c784a60$b0d63fd1@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Thank you Kevin Tekel! Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:13:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Kevin, I promise never, ever, ever, ever to give you hell for complaining about IBOC. Thank you for making your comments. There are so few comments that every single comment carries a lot of weight. I do appreciate you taking the time to comment as did I and some others. I don't have a terrible problem with moving to digital if first, it works and second its backwardsly compatible. Again, thank you for your comments. Kevin Mesa, Arizona ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevtronics" To: Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 10:06 PM Subject: {AMSF} Comments to the FCC about IBOC due June 18th > Comments to the FCC about IBOC DAB (on both the AM and FM bands) will > be accepted up to Tuesday, June 18th. If you wish to file your > comments, you can do so on-line, via this address: > > http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jun 15 22:21:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 16 Jun 2002 05:21:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 74159 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2002 05:21:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2002 05:21:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2002 05:21:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2002 05:21:49 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 05:21:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: CCrane comments on AM IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <022001c214ec$ac2f17c0$b0d63fd1@kredding430cdt> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1446 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.132 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I see you were not ambitious enough Kevin Tekel to make your own > statement. .... I promise if you don't go and comment and you bitch, > I am going to give you hell like there ain't no tomorrow. Note that I sent in my comment and announced it here without having a chance to read this message from you beforehand. So you can have the satisfaction of me following your wishes, but not the satisfaction of your coarse encouragement being the reason for it. And as for C.Crane, all I am saying is that they should put their money where their mouth is. If they believe the public has a desire for wide-bandwidth, high-fidelity AM radios, they should stop selling narrow-bandwidth, low-fidelity AM radios, calling these "the best AM radio ever made", and falsely saying that this radio has better audio quality than the GE Superadio III. C.Crance also says that they won't let a manufacturer "buy their way into our catalog" -- that the products they sell will be judged on their performance and not on their brand name. I guess that is the reason why virtually ALL of the radios they sell are made by SANGEAN, with the Superadio being the only notable exception? This reminds me of when Microsoft was asked if a new software product from them is "multi-platform", i.e. able to run on different types of computers... and they said "sure, it is multi-platform... it runs on Windows ME, Windows 2000, and Windows XP!" From amfmdx@fastq.com Sat Jun 15 22:36:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 16 Jun 2002 05:36:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 3346 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2002 05:36:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2002 05:36:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2002 05:36:35 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d43-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.75]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g5G5aYn64708 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:36:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <027d01c214f7$b33a1140$b0d63fd1@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CCrane comments on AM IBOC Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:35:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > And as for C.Crane, all I am saying is that they should put their > money where their mouth is. Any enemy of my enemy is a friend of mine. I figure they did enough for today, to keep me quiet. Tomorrow may be a different story but I am impressed to see a business make a comment when it could cost them money. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jun 16 00:24:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 16 Jun 2002 07:24:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 57324 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2002 07:24:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2002 07:24:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2002 07:24:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2002 07:24:55 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 07:24:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: a new Kahn "offender" Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 988 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.132 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics 1280 WADO in New York City is no longer broadcasting in Kahn "Power-Side" mode. The company which owned them (HBC) was sold to Univision, and the first thing the new station engineer did was switch off the Power-Side. He contacted me and said when he gets a chance he's going to remove the Kahn Stereo/Power-Side exciter from WADO's equipment rack and "put it in the dumpster for once and for all". Meanwhile, fellow New York City station 1600 WWRL is now using what appears to be a hybrid between Kahn Power-Side and Kahn AM Stereo producing a simulated Stereo signal. As received in Kahn ISB mode, WWRL's audio is now mostly in the center, but with the bass in the right channel and the high treble in the left channel. I don't know if this qualifies as "Stereo separation" but I will be keeping an eye on WWRL just to see if their engineer ever makes a "mistake" and flips the switch that puts their exciter into true full-separation Kahn/Hazeltine AM Stereo mode! From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Jun 16 01:44:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 16 Jun 2002 08:44:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 82229 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2002 08:44:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2002 08:44:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2002 08:44:40 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.27]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 04:44:28 -0400 Message-ID: <001d01c21512$244cc200$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <003401c214e4$42063fc0$d3a9fea9@me> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Looking for Sony Amplifier to match ~HELP Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 04:45:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 OK, here goes- as a ebay seller for 4 years now, I was also on the "no shipping to Canada" thing- untill PayPal came along- The problem with Canadian sales is the intolerable wait for the money to arrive in the mail- sometimes 14 days after it was sent! I also have had severe problems with customs. 2 brand new stereos, double boxed, were smashed beyond recognition. I had to refund both, leaving me with nothing. I was not alone in this- I heard LOADS of horror stories from other ebayers with similar scenarios. Now with paypal, I do ship to Canada, as I get my money right away, and I warn folks about potential problems beforehand. CC From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Jun 16 12:48:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 16 Jun 2002 19:48:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 8297 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2002 19:48:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2002 19:48:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2002 19:48:42 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-114.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.114]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g5GJkRfx004784 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 14:46:28 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002a01c2156f$4b4d3760$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <003401c214e4$42063fc0$d3a9fea9@me> <001d01c21512$244cc200$0101a8c0@pavilion> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Looking for Sony Amplifier to match ~HELP Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 14:51:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Was there any investigation to find out who the ham-handed morons were that caused all the damage? I suppose shipping to Canada would be OK if one insisted on insurance- then the carrier would be out the cost of the item. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Cuff" > I also have had severe problems with customs. 2 brand new stereos, double > boxed, were smashed beyond recognition. I had to refund both, leaving me > with nothing. I was not alone in this- I heard LOADS of horror stories from > other ebayers with similar scenarios. From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Jun 16 12:51:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 16 Jun 2002 19:51:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 34460 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2002 19:51:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2002 19:51:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2002 19:51:26 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-114.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.114]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g5GJnCfx005068 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 14:49:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003601c2156f$ad9d1020$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <027d01c214f7$b33a1140$b0d63fd1@kredding430cdt> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CCrane comments on AM IBOC Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 14:54:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude You've got a point- up to a point. Seems to me we had the same philosophy about Usama Bin Laden when he was with the Afghanistanis fighting the Soviets, and it came back to bite us in the butt. Getting ready to file my own comments. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevin" > Any enemy of my enemy is a friend of mine. > > I figure they did enough for today, to keep me quiet. Tomorrow may be a > different story but I am impressed to see a business make a comment when it > could cost them money. From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun Jun 16 13:34:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 16 Jun 2002 20:34:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 25518 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2002 20:34:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2002 20:34:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2002 20:34:32 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d212-osel.phx.fastq.com [207.173.146.73]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g5GKYUn72080 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:34:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <001301c21574$d73d3ea0$4992adcf@kredding430cdt> To: References: <027d01c214f7$b33a1140$b0d63fd1@kredding430cdt> <003601c2156f$ad9d1020$d3a9fea9@me> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CCrane comments on AM IBOC Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:31:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla When you are in a swamp full of alligators, its always good to kill the hungry alligator nearest to you. You can kill the other alligators later. If you don't seize the moment to strike, you may not get a second. Be happy with CCrane today, killing IBOC is the matter at hand. We can show them that if they sold nice radios with wide sound as you all want, then we can convert them by letting them know we would buy these radios. If we all wrote them and thanked them for their comments and then told them we would buy a radio if it had AM stereo it would go a very long way in getting what you want. The main thing is to swamp them with requests for AM stereo radios. CCrane is small and they would be pretty receptive, I believe. They want to make money. If we all say we will buy the radios, they may make them. I think that a CCRadio type receiver with a wide mode filter on it and stereo would really sell. We just all need to write and convince them. Make sure you put your name and address on it with a phone number when you make the request. Kevin Mesa, Arizona ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" To: Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 12:54 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CCrane comments on AM IBOC > You've got a point- up to a point. Seems to me we had the same philosophy > about Usama Bin Laden when he was with the Afghanistanis fighting the > Soviets, and it came back to bite us in the butt. Getting ready to file my > own comments. From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sun Jun 16 13:43:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 16 Jun 2002 20:43:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 71895 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2002 20:43:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2002 20:43:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2002 20:43:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2002 20:43:12 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 20:43:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: a new Kahn "offender" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1165 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio I was never a big Power-Side fan. I say good riddance to bad audio. --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > 1280 WADO in New York City is no longer broadcasting in Kahn > "Power-Side" mode. The company which owned them (HBC) was sold to > Univision, and the first thing the new station engineer did was switch > off the Power-Side. He contacted me and said when he gets a chance > he's going to remove the Kahn Stereo/Power-Side exciter from WADO's > equipment rack and "put it in the dumpster for once and for all". > > > Meanwhile, fellow New York City station 1600 WWRL is now using what > appears to be a hybrid between Kahn Power-Side and Kahn AM Stereo > producing a simulated Stereo signal. As received in Kahn ISB mode, > WWRL's audio is now mostly in the center, but with the bass in the > right channel and the high treble in the left channel. I don't know > if this qualifies as "Stereo separation" but I will be keeping an eye > on WWRL just to see if their engineer ever makes a "mistake" and flips > the switch that puts their exciter into true full-separation > Kahn/Hazeltine AM Stereo mode! From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Jun 16 13:54:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 16 Jun 2002 20:54:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 6711 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2002 20:54:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2002 20:54:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2002 20:54:10 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-203.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.203]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g5GKpufx011677 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 15:51:57 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00a801c21578$715a5740$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: a new Kahn "offender" Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 15:57:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I hope KT rescues it from the dumpster. Powerside is an substandard use of a perfectly good technology. It would be nice to rescue these Kahn AM stereo exciters in disguise. ST > He contacted me and said when he gets a chance > > he's going to remove the Kahn Stereo/Power-Side exciter from WADO's > > equipment rack and "put it in the dumpster for once and for all". From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Jun 16 13:56:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 16 Jun 2002 20:56:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 99614 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2002 20:56:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2002 20:56:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2002 20:56:56 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-203.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.203]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g5GKsffx012012 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 15:54:43 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00ae01c21578$d4413fe0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <027d01c214f7$b33a1140$b0d63fd1@kredding430cdt> <003601c2156f$ad9d1020$d3a9fea9@me> <001301c21574$d73d3ea0$4992adcf@kredding430cdt> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CCrane comments on AM IBOC Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 16:00:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Will do. How about the rest of you guys? ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevin" > If we all > wrote them and thanked them for their comments and then told them we would > buy a radio if it had AM stereo it would go a very long way in getting what > you want. From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Jun 16 14:09:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 16 Jun 2002 21:09:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 13381 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2002 21:09:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2002 21:09:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2002 21:09:55 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-203.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.203]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g5GL7ffx013265 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 16:07:42 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00bf01c2157a$a4b64fc0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <027d01c214f7$b33a1140$b0d63fd1@kredding430cdt> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CCrane comments on AM IBOC Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 16:13:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Somehow I doubt this would cost them money. If anything, being a smaller company, the less they'd have to do modifying existing designs, the better off they'll be since the cost of retooling is minimized. Big corporations can often absorb the cost that smaller ones can't. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevin" > I figure they did enough for today, to keep me quiet. Tomorrow may be a > different story but I am impressed to see a business make a comment when it > could cost them money. From shelswartz@yahoo.com Sun Jun 16 19:53:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: shelswartz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 17 Jun 2002 02:53:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 86578 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2002 02:53:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2002 02:53:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14909.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.225.61) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2002 02:53:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20020617025333.74534.qmail@web14909.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.86.170.211] by web14909.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 19:53:33 PDT Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 19:53:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: DX from South Florida To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3D043599.DD8219@skyweb.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Shel Swartz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91652391 X-Yahoo-Profile: shelswartz Lots of static as usual, but on 1620 at 10 PM, there was a Haitian music show - the DJ took live requests by phone. There was a talk show under that signal, but way too low to understand. There was a syndicated sports show (ESPN?) drifting in and out on 1630, and on 1640, our Florida Turnpike TIS with its female voice (sounded like the microphone was a telephone). There's another TIS station on 1550 as well.. same turnpike. Maybe they'll let go of 1550 some day. The rest of the dial to 1710 was too staticy to pick up anything. There were no stereo signals anywhere. 1610 is impossible here due to slop from a Radio Disney (waste) station on 1600. I "DXed" using the car radio factory-installed in my 1997 Ford Aerostar. I have a Sony SRF A-100, but we have to much static in our home, thanks to fluorescent lights, and powerlines running outside along the street. Someone needs to run an old-fashioned DX test with at least a 1 kHz tone, as I haven't seen the front or back of a QSL card here for years! :) LOL shel in W. Palm Beach, Florida) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From shelswartz@yahoo.com Sun Jun 16 19:58:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: shelswartz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 17 Jun 2002 02:58:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 62224 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2002 02:58:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2002 02:58:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14908.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.225.60) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2002 02:58:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20020617025816.45377.qmail@web14908.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.86.170.211] by web14908.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 19:58:16 PDT Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 19:58:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: C Crane To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3D043599.DD8219@skyweb.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Shel Swartz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91652391 X-Yahoo-Profile: shelswartz Why do I have a feeling that this company is really an outlet for Sangean.... and it sells a few other products to round things off? If that's the case, one would think that Sangean would have the ability and money to make a super AM stereo receiver, as the Far East folks have always held the lead in radio technology, or at least it seems that way. As far as IBOC goes, naturally I'm in favor of it, but it appears that since the FCC is now run by politicians instead of engineers, they'll keep studying and studying and testing and testing.... our tax money at waste... by the time that expensive waste is over, satellite radio will have become the norm. But I am surprised at C. Crane's comments. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jun 16 20:18:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 17 Jun 2002 03:18:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 38569 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2002 03:18:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2002 03:18:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2002 03:18:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2002 03:18:03 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 03:18:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: DX from South Florida Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020617025333.74534.qmail@web14909.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1703 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.67.25 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Lots of static as usual, but on 1620 at 10 PM, there was a Haitian > music show - the DJ took live requests by phone. Could be WDHP 1620 AM Stereo from the U.S. Virgin Islands. I have heard them all the way up here in New Jersey. This is the newest Expanded Band station; they just went on the air in February 2002. > I have a Sony SRF A-100, but we have to much static in our home, > thanks to fluorescent lights, and powerlines running outside along > the street. Electrical interference on AM is not something you should have to tolerate. First see if it is coming from somewhere inside your home by turning off the circuit breakers -- carry a flashlight and a battery-powered radio and turn off the big main breaker. If the noise goes away, turn it back on and flip off and on the individual circuits to try to track down the source. Common culprits are lamps on a dimmer switch, touch-on/off lamps, "wall wart" AC-to-DC transformers, and lights that have a sensor to turn them on automatically at night. If the AM static is not coming from inside your home, it is probably from the power lines outside, as you say. If they are consistently noisy/buzzy/crackly on AM all the time, call your power company. Power line interference on AM is also a loss of power efficiency in the system (the insulators are going bad) and it is in their own best interest to get it fixed, regardless of how it may affect your radio reception. By the way, I have encountered some power lines that are noisy on *FM*, but not on AM -- on weaker FM stations, it makes the "AM-like" buzzing noise, but on AM it is perfectly clear with no static -- I'm still trying to figure that one out! From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun Jun 16 20:25:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 17 Jun 2002 03:25:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 54124 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2002 03:25:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2002 03:25:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2002 03:25:42 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d140-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.172]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g5H3Pen76540; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 20:25:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <010201c215ad$de083300$4992adcf@kredding430cdt> To: Cc: "Shel Swartz" References: <20020617025816.45377.qmail@web14908.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} C Crane Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 20:19:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Why do I have a feeling that this company is really an > outlet for Sangean.... and it sells a few other > products to round things off? Of course its an outlet for Sangean. Whats wrong with that? > If that's the case, one > would think that Sangean would have the ability and > money to make a super AM stereo receiver, Shel, did you write ccraneco@aol.com, to tell them that you want to buy a nice AM stereo receiver with the selectivity and sensitivity of the CCRadio with a wide and narrow selectable bandwidth switch. No one will make it unless you ask. Make sure you comment that AM stereo radios are fetching up to $300 on ebay while you are at it. That should get their attention. > As far as IBOC goes, naturally I'm in favor of it, I am too but not in the methods currently consitituted. I am not for any system that is not backwardsly compatible and only usable in the day. This is what they want us to comment on. I would love to see it in the L band with the rest of the world. Our radios are going to be significantly more expensive if we go it alone with IBOC. > But I am surprised at C. Crane's comments. I'm not. They make sense. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun Jun 16 20:29:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 17 Jun 2002 03:29:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 81689 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2002 03:29:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2002 03:29:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2002 03:29:26 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d140-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.172]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g5H3TPn76580 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 20:29:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <010601c215ae$63780ce0$4992adcf@kredding430cdt> To: References: <20020617025333.74534.qmail@web14909.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} DX from South Florida Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 20:23:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > 1610 is impossible here due to slop from a Radio > Disney (waste) station on 1600. Shel, You and I see Radio Disney in a different light. Why does this not surprise me. Let me explain why I don't think Disney is a waste. 1. MANY Disney stations across the nation did NOT turn off stereo. They run AM stereo at a number of stations. 2. Disney may play music that you and I don't like but they are introducing AM radio and AM stereo to KIDS who will be the AM users of tomorrow. Kids will know that there can be music on AM and it can sound good thanks to Disney. I don't like the music, but I do see them serving a very beneficial role in the cause of AM stereo and AM radio in general. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun Jun 16 20:46:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 17 Jun 2002 03:46:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 32067 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2002 03:46:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2002 03:46:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2002 03:46:36 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d140-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.172]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g5H3kZn76819 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 20:46:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <012301c215b0$c43c2aa0$4992adcf@kredding430cdt> To: Subject: Letter to CCrane Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 20:40:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Gents, I saw your comments on the FCC site about IBOC. Thanks for making a well thought out comment. I would like to ask about AM stereo briefly. Before you shake your heads and delete this, please take a minute to read further. I am looking for a replacement AM stereo portable radio. Apparently I am not the only one. If you go to ebay you will see that these radios, such as the Sony SRF-A100 are fetching upwards of $350, the Sony SRF-A1 is fetching $200 to $225, and the others are sucking up big dollars. This is not a joke people are really paying this kind of money for the radios. If you want, I can dig up the URLs from eBay so you can see it. I wish you would make a radio that did nothing but AM and FM and had sensitivity and selectivity of your CCRadio Plus with AM stereo and a wide / narrow and a mono / stereo switch. Think about what people are paying on eBay for AM stereo radios. You should be getting some of this money. I would buy a radio like this for $125-150 in a heartbeat. I know many on the mail list amstereoforum@yahoo.com that would do this as well. I know many on the mail list abdx@topica.com who would buy one. I know a lot of guys who would buy one on amstereo@topica.com also. There are people on these lists from Canada, Australia, Japan and Europe who would buy from you if you sold a set like this. There are still about 410 stations in stereo out there and I like to listen to it. My AM stereo receivers are getting tired and I would like one but the $225 price for the walkman style and the $355 price for the twin speakered portable radio style, and the $400 tag for a used Carver TX-11A is too much for me but $125 -150 isn't. Do you think that you ever might make one? I think they would sell. Better to pay a high price for a new one from you than a used one on ebay. Thats a crap shoot. I think it would be money in your pocket. Hope to hear from you on this. Thanks, Kevin Redding Mesa, Arizona This message has been composed of recycled electrons. None of these electrons has been harmed or injured in the creation and transmission of this message but they have been shamelessly exploited for this use. From shelswartz@yahoo.com Sun Jun 16 20:54:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: shelswartz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 17 Jun 2002 03:54:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 86034 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2002 03:54:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2002 03:54:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14910.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.225.62) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2002 03:54:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20020617035401.89193.qmail@web14910.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.86.170.211] by web14910.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 20:54:01 PDT Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 20:54:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} DX from South Florida To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <010601c215ae$63780ce0$4992adcf@kredding430cdt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Shel Swartz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91652391 X-Yahoo-Profile: shelswartz Okay, now the accused responds: 1. As far as C. Crane goes, of course there's nothig wrong with it being a Sangean outlet. I was simply trying to say (or imply) that if it is a state-side distributor, it may pretty much be stuck with what Sangean makes.... Crane may not necessarily feel the need to be creative. As far as my comment that Radio Disney is a waste: There's nothing wrong with the format. I think it sounds good. But it's canned Radio... fed by satellite. The station in question used to emply real people and truly served the public interest; it was the only "Urban" outlet and featured the ONLY Af-American-targeted talk shows as well as music. I consider any stations that rely mainly on continuous, long-form network shows as wastes. The old Radio networks lost their prominence in the early 1960s when station owners realized they could make more money selling their own air time, than simply accepting he smaller handouts from the networks. Now, we are going back to that. We have thousands of qualified Radio personnel - including engineers - that have lost their jobs due to networks and consolidation (aka monopolization). One engineer is often responsible for 4 or more stations at one time. How can he possibly deliver the same high quality he has been trained in to all those stations when he is overloaded with work, and has no assistants? I left Radio in 1992 because I had to. But I spent many years enjoying what has since become a part of Americana. I left in time to avoid most of the bloodbaths. At the time I left, my responsibilities as Production Director for two stations had doubled to two more stations, with zero extra income.... all the while management was deciding how to eliminate our live board operators and some of the live talk-show hosts. Disney couldn't survive with just a few stations. Because it doesn't serve a local audience. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jun 16 21:25:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 17 Jun 2002 04:25:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 80429 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2002 04:25:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2002 04:25:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2002 04:25:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2002 04:25:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 04:25:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: DX from South Florida Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <010601c215ae$63780ce0$4992adcf@kredding430cdt> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 800 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.21 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Kids will know that there can be music on AM and it can sound good > thanks to Disney. I must say that even thought they dropped AM Stereo, New York City's Radio Disney affiliate 1560 WQEW sounds darn good for mono AM. The music is very crisp and clear and they are taking full advantage of the sound quality that mono AM can offer. On the other hand, however, Philadelphia's Radio Disney affiliate 640 WWJZ sounds very dull and muffled, even on a wide-bandwidth radio. Their audio isn't purposely narrowed in bandwidth; they are still using the full 10 kHz, but it just sounds like they aren't using any NRSC pre-emphasis. In many areas of NJ you can switch between 640 WWJZ and 1560 WQEW and the quality difference is like night and day, even though neither station uses AM Stereo. From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun Jun 16 21:35:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 17 Jun 2002 04:35:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 62683 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2002 04:35:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2002 04:35:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2002 04:35:06 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d140-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.172]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g5H4Z5n77445 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 21:35:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <016201c215b7$81fdfd60$4992adcf@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: DX from South Florida Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 21:29:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > I must say that even thought they dropped AM Stereo, New York City's > Radio Disney affiliate 1560 WQEW sounds darn good for mono AM. The 620 Disney in Dallas and KDIS from LA on 710 sound EXCELLENT in stereo. So do KADZ from Denver on 1690 and KAVT 1680 from Fresno. I might not love the music but the stereo is good and kids get acquainted with AM and thats a good thing. I suspect 1560 still sounds great in NYC because they had some awesome equipment in the day when they still had American Standards on the air. WQXR with Classical sounded phenomenal in AM stereo when they had it on. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun Jun 16 21:37:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 17 Jun 2002 04:37:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 58502 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2002 04:37:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2002 04:37:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2002 04:37:11 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d140-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.172]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g5H4bAn77503 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 21:37:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <017601c215b7$cab42fc0$4992adcf@kredding430cdt> To: References: <027d01c214f7$b33a1140$b0d63fd1@kredding430cdt> <003601c2156f$ad9d1020$d3a9fea9@me> <001301c21574$d73d3ea0$4992adcf@kredding430cdt> <00ae01c21578$d4413fe0$d3a9fea9@me> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CCrane comments on AM IBOC Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 21:31:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Will do. How about the rest of you guys? Done. Hope the rest will follow. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Mon Jun 17 02:20:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 17 Jun 2002 09:20:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 12598 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2002 09:20:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2002 09:20:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.32.181.103) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2002 09:20:24 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 02:20:24 -0700 Received: from 208.228.96.20 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 09:20:24 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Comments to the FCC about IBOC due June 18th Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 05:20:24 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jun 2002 09:20:24.0289 (UTC) FILETIME=[36041510:01C215E0] From: "Chris Cuff" X-Originating-IP: [208.228.96.20] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059 Can someone tell me how to see all the comments left so far on this petition? CC (I just left mine) >From: "kevtronics" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Comments to the FCC about IBOC due June 18th >Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 05:06:34 -0000 > >Comments to the FCC about IBOC DAB (on both the AM and FM bands) will >be accepted up to Tuesday, June 18th. If you wish to file your >comments, you can do so on-line, via this address: > >http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Mon Jun 17 04:29:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 17 Jun 2002 11:29:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 97745 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2002 11:29:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2002 11:29:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.32.181.96) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2002 11:29:31 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 04:29:31 -0700 Received: from 208.228.96.20 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 11:29:31 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Comments to the FCC about IBOC due June 18th Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 07:29:31 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jun 2002 11:29:31.0557 (UTC) FILETIME=[3FBF5D50:01C215F2] From: "Chris Cuff" X-Originating-IP: [208.228.96.20] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059 Nevermind previous post- figured out how to do it... Chris >From: "Chris Cuff" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Can someone tell me how to see all the comments left so far on this >petition? >CC (I just left mine) > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Mon Jun 17 05:36:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 17 Jun 2002 12:36:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 81783 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2002 12:36:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2002 12:36:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.32.181.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2002 12:36:47 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 05:36:46 -0700 Received: from 208.228.96.20 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:36:46 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Fwd: {AMSF} Comments to the FCC about IBOC due June 18th Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 08:36:46 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jun 2002 12:36:46.0998 (UTC) FILETIME=[A50ECB60:01C215FB] From: "Chris Cuff" X-Originating-IP: [208.228.96.20] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059 Don- here is what I followed, and it gives the docket #, which DOES have to be put in- fill it out everywhere it says "required" usen the lower area to type in your comments. CC >From: "kevtronics" > >Comments to the FCC about IBOC DAB (on both the AM and FM bands) will >be accepted up to Tuesday, June 18th. If you wish to file your >comments, you can do so on-line, via this address: > >http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi > >In the "Proceeding" field, type in 99-325 (no quotes or "MM"), or you >can double-check to be sure by clicking on the "Proceedings" link, >typing 99-325 in the search field, and then clicking on the result >that comes up ("In the Matter of Digital Audio Broadcasting Systems >and Their Impact On the Terrestrial Radio Broadcast Service"). > >Make sure you follow the guidelines they give, and write down the >confirmation number you get after you submit your comments. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jun 17 05:46:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 17 Jun 2002 12:46:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 43354 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2002 12:46:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2002 12:46:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14204.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.146) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2002 12:46:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20020617124559.6597.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 05:45:59 PDT Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 05:45:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Just a joke guys To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio "only $155.40 for a year of radio" is just a slam at Sirrus, and I hope you guys didn't take me seriously! I hate the idea of paying anything for 'free' radiowaves. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From philipr@irac.pe.ca Mon Jun 17 06:00:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 17 Jun 2002 13:00:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 96020 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2002 13:00:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2002 13:00:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2002 13:00:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2002 13:00:08 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:00:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Comments on FCC website Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 637 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking I left some comments on the FCC website regarding Proceeding 99- 325. The form would not accept my Canadian address. I left a fictious address in Maine with an almost certainly non-matching zip code. In the body of my message, I put my real address. Likely the FCC will not accept my comment, but who knows? The comments I have read so far are pretty good. There are some short snappers from "ordinary Americans" that were very good. Phil P.S. At first the FCC comment section was a little intimidating, but I think I figured it out. It should be very easy for anyone with a US address. So please, get your comments in! From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Mon Jun 17 06:04:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 17 Jun 2002 13:04:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 58455 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2002 13:04:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2002 13:04:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.32.181.20) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2002 13:04:07 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 06:04:07 -0700 Received: from 208.228.96.20 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:04:06 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Just a joke guys Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 09:04:06 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jun 2002 13:04:07.0158 (UTC) FILETIME=[76AB5960:01C215FF] From: "Chris Cuff" X-Originating-IP: [208.228.96.20] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059 We knew you weren't "sirius".... or we'd have your head "XM-end" CC >From: Johnny Electron >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >"only $155.40 for a year of radio" is just a slam at Sirrus, and I >hope you guys didn't take me seriously! I hate the idea of paying >anything for 'free' radiowaves. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From shelswartz@yahoo.com Mon Jun 17 07:44:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: shelswartz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 17 Jun 2002 14:44:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 17502 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2002 14:44:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2002 14:44:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14914.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.225.241) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2002 14:44:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20020617144433.97029.qmail@web14914.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.32.197.202] by web14914.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 07:44:33 PDT Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 07:44:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: DX from South Florida To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <016201c215b7$81fdfd60$4992adcf@kredding430cdt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Shel Swartz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91652391 X-Yahoo-Profile: shelswartz The local Disney station here is in glorious,muddy mono. 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Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From amfmdx@fastq.com Mon Jun 17 08:58:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 17 Jun 2002 15:58:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 63846 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2002 15:58:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2002 15:58:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2002 15:58:38 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d76-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.108]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g5HFwan84805 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 08:58:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <01de01c21616$9b9dd920$4992adcf@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Comments to the FCC about IBOC due June 18th Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 08:49:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Chris, It takes 24 to 36 hours to show because each message is screened for virii and other things. Heres the URL. http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/comsrch_v2.cgi Kevin Mesa, Arizona ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Cuff" To: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 2:20 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Comments to the FCC about IBOC due June 18th > Can someone tell me how to see all the comments left so far on this > petition? > CC (I just left mine) From amfmdx@fastq.com Mon Jun 17 09:07:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 17 Jun 2002 16:07:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 36122 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2002 16:07:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2002 16:07:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2002 16:07:42 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d76-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.108]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g5HG7fn85142 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 09:07:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <01e601c21617$dce13200$4992adcf@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Comments to the FCC about IBOC due June 18th Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 08:58:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Chris and all, When you go to this URL: http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/comsrch_v2.cgi Starting at 21 -30 is where the people and DXers weigh in. Its good to see many of you being heard. I hope the rest of you do the same if you haven't already. Its great to see the last 22 messages or so be all against this version of IBOC. I am not against digital radio, I am just against interference and against a transmission scheme that can only be used in the daytime and cuts down the stations contours. If you haven't commented go and the Proceeding number is 99-325. Kevin Mesa, Arizona ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Cuff" To: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 4:29 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Comments to the FCC about IBOC due June 18th > Nevermind previous post- figured out how to do it... > Chris From amfmdx@fastq.com Mon Jun 17 09:33:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 17 Jun 2002 16:33:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 73900 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2002 16:33:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2002 16:33:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2002 16:33:41 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d76-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.108]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g5HGXdn85986 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 09:33:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <01f801c2161b$6ab3ede0$4992adcf@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Comments on FCC website Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 09:24:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Phil, Your comment was apparently accepted. I see it posted on the list the FCC has! Thanks to all who commented. The rest of you, get busy! Kevin Mesa, Arizona ----- Original Message ----- From: "tubesareking" To: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 6:00 AM Subject: {AMSF} Comments on FCC website > I left some comments on the FCC website regarding Proceeding 99- > 325. The form would not accept my Canadian address. I left a > fictious address in Maine with an almost certainly non-matching zip > code. In the body of my message, I put my real address. Likely the > FCC will not accept my comment, but who knows? > > The comments I have read so far are pretty good. There are some > short snappers from "ordinary Americans" that were very good. From KC4QLP@aol.com Mon Jun 17 11:09:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 17 Jun 2002 18:09:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 55891 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2002 18:09:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2002 18:09:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.8) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2002 18:09:36 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.32.2880b63c (4419) for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:09:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <32.2880b63c.2a3f7fd7@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:09:27 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CCrane comments on AM IBOC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 6/16/02 1:22:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kevtronics@yahoo.com writes: << C.Crance also says that they won't let a manufacturer "buy their way into our catalog" -- that the products they sell will be judged on their performance and not on their brand name. I guess that is the reason why virtually ALL of the radios they sell are made by SANGEAN, with the Superadio being the only notable exception? >> Then we need to contact SANGEAN and ask them why they stopped making AM Stereo radios. I have one of their walkmans with the pilot indicator...had to modify it to cover the expanded band...but it is a sensitive little radio. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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I have one of their walkmans with the pilot indicator...had to > modify it to cover the expanded band...but it is a sensitive little radio. Which one is that? The SR-66? I have one. The only problem is that the dial string wheel for the variable cap breaks at the tensioning spring. The electronics is ok as far as I can tell. Its a little slower to detect a pilot but it does ok. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From KC4QLP@aol.com Mon Jun 17 11:17:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 17 Jun 2002 18:17:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 49693 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2002 18:17:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2002 18:17:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r07.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.103) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2002 18:17:08 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.1aa.3cf4983 (4419) for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:17:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1aa.3cf4983.2a3f81a0@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:17:04 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CCrane comments on AM IBOC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 6/16/02 4:35:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, amfmdx@fastq.com writes: << Be happy with CCrane today, killing IBOC is the matter at hand. We can show them that if they sold nice radios with wide sound as you all want, then we can convert them by letting them know we would buy these radios. If we all wrote them and thanked them for their comments and then told them we would buy a radio if it had AM stereo it would go a very long way in getting what you want. >> BTW...I've heard the guy from CCrane on several national talk shows doing an hours worth of promoting CCrane radios.....why not keep an ear on your local news/talk-newsradio station and when another talk show has CCrane back as a guest..why not call in and talk about AM Stereo..ask them to start carrying AM stereo receivers.With talk radio being one of the top formats today..and the majority of talk stations being AM..what better way to start a spark that just might ignite into one huge bon fire. Its a long shot..but you never know til you try. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have that same Sangean AM STEREO radio. An SR-66 walkman. VERY sensitive. I thought I had remembered Kevin or someone else mentioning that they talked to Sangean and that the guy said that was the most tempermental radio they ever had and it was nothing but a pain in the @$$ for them and that they refused to mess with AMS after that. Still have mine and I'm hanging on to it. It's a neat little walkman.....although I too have to fix the tensioner spring since mine broke too. MJR -----Original Message----- From: KC4QLP@aol.com [mailto:KC4QLP@aol.com] Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 12:09 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CCrane comments on AM IBOC In a message dated 6/16/02 1:22:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kevtronics@yahoo.com writes: << C.Crance also says that they won't let a manufacturer "buy their way into our catalog" -- that the products they sell will be judged on their performance and not on their brand name. I guess that is the reason why virtually ALL of the radios they sell are made by SANGEAN, with the Superadio being the only notable exception? >> Then we need to contact SANGEAN and ask them why they stopped making AM Stereo radios. I have one of their walkmans with the pilot indicator...had to modify it to cover the expanded band...but it is a sensitive little radio. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Mon Jun 17 11:31:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 17 Jun 2002 18:31:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 94473 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2002 18:31:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2002 18:31:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r06.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.102) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2002 18:31:32 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.1a7.3cecf09 (4419) for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:31:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1a7.3cecf09.2a3f8500@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:31:28 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: DX from South Florida To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 6/17/02 12:26:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kevtronics@yahoo.com writes: << On the other hand, however, Philadelphia's Radio Disney affiliate 640 WWJZ sounds very dull and muffled, even on a wide-bandwidth radio. Their audio isn't purposely narrowed in bandwidth; they are still using the full 10 kHz, but it just sounds like they aren't using any NRSC pre-emphasis. >> I can second that one!..Kevin is WWJZ in stereo?..They are not quite strong enough here in North East NC to be heard in stereo without going to the forced mode..and the SRF-42 just isnt sensitive enough to grab them....car radio is a different story. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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The SR-66? >> Yep it sure is. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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An SR-66 walkman. VERY sensitive. I thought I had remembered Kevin or someone else mentioning that they talked to Sangean and that the guy said that was the most tempermental radio they ever had and it was nothing but a pain in the @$$ for them and that they refused to mess with AMS after that. Still have mine and I'm hanging on to it. It's a neat little walkman.....although I too have to fix the tensioner spring since mine broke too. MJR >> I had to repair the tensioner spring and all that jazz as well.Seems like the pulley that the tensioner spring is connected to is a bit fragile..causing the spring to "pop off"....a hot soldering iron fixed that .....just keep the radio out of extreme heat and it should last a good while. As far as locking into a stereo station..yes it is a bit tempermental...but that has to do with the old style chip that was used in these radios.Perhaps if they used the newer chip...they would have a less tempermental radio. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bob I agree. As I'm sure Kevin T would be the first to point out.....with all the advancements of the MC13028 chip...I'm sure they could make a model that would be a lot less tempermental and a lot less of a pain to deal with. Cool little walkman. I got mine from Chuck Simpson a few years back. Seems like he had a lot of them on hand at the time. MJR -----Original Message----- From: KC4QLP@aol.com [mailto:KC4QLP@aol.com] Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 12:46 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CCrane comments on AM IBOC In a message dated 6/17/02 2:20:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, michaelj@vcn.com writes: << I have that same Sangean AM STEREO radio. An SR-66 walkman. VERY sensitive. I thought I had remembered Kevin or someone else mentioning that they talked to Sangean and that the guy said that was the most tempermental radio they ever had and it was nothing but a pain in the @$$ for them and that they refused to mess with AMS after that. Still have mine and I'm hanging on to it. It's a neat little walkman.....although I too have to fix the tensioner spring since mine broke too. MJR >> I had to repair the tensioner spring and all that jazz as well.Seems like the pulley that the tensioner spring is connected to is a bit fragile..causing the spring to "pop off"....a hot soldering iron fixed that .....just keep the radio out of extreme heat and it should last a good while. As far as locking into a stereo station..yes it is a bit tempermental...but that has to do with the old style chip that was used in these radios.Perhaps if they used the newer chip...they would have a less tempermental radio. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Mon Jun 17 11:58:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 17 Jun 2002 18:58:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 21769 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2002 18:58:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2002 18:58:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d10.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.42) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2002 18:58:43 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.163.f58166b (4419) for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:58:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <163.f58166b.2a3f8b5d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:58:37 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CCrane comments on AM IBOC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 6/17/02 2:50:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, michaelj@vcn.com writes: << I got mine from Chuck Simpson a few years back. Seems like he had a lot of them on hand at the time. MJR >> I found mine in a pile of junk that was on its way to the trash can. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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"It's impacting the product that's out there. It's plain and simple. There are too many commercials, too much focus on EBITDA cash flow and too much pressure on the people." Clear Channel Radio CEO Randy Michaels — who earlier sarcastically said the radio industry was better 30 years ago when "we had payola," among other things — vehemently disagreed when he said, "There's never been as many choices and there's never been as much money spent on radio." " My comment: yep, Clear Channel, the CHOICE I want is for you to turn your AM Stereo exciters back on at all of your stations again! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jun 17 12:47:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 17 Jun 2002 19:47:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 97834 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2002 19:47:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2002 19:47:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2002 19:47:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20020617194741.9945.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:47:41 PDT Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:47:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Great Comments To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I just visited the FCC 99-325 docket comments, and all of them are great. IF the FCC has anybody with brains who is an engineer instead of a LAWYER, then they should realize how they can save the AM Band with AMAX Stereo. BTW, the Radio Mondial comments are interesting. Unfortunately it is monophonic, but it appears that it is 'realtime'. Can they still transmit an analog signal with the digital for the "transistion" period? Comments about using LongWave and Expanded/Expanded AM band (1700-1800) are good comments too. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Mon Jun 17 14:04:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 17 Jun 2002 21:04:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 88651 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2002 21:04:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2002 21:04:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf09bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.149) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2002 21:04:31 -0000 Received: from juan ([67.34.32.34]) by imf09bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020617210558.QHHU1240.imf09bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 17:05:58 -0400 Message-ID: <004001c21642$93c30780$22202243@juan> To: References: <016201c215b7$81fdfd60$4992adcf@kredding430cdt> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: DX from South Florida Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 17:04:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane I just got back from LA (R&R convention). I must say Radio Disney sounded great, as did Buck Owens' station in Bakersfield. Also KABC was not bad, a bit distorted though. I also caught a stereo station from Tijuana...sounded like it was from a college or university, not sure of the frequency ? Juan WTTB WGYL WGNX WOSN Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: DX from South Florida > > I must say that even thought they dropped AM Stereo, New York City's > > Radio Disney affiliate 1560 WQEW sounds darn good for mono AM. > > The 620 Disney in Dallas and KDIS from LA on 710 sound EXCELLENT in stereo. > So do KADZ from Denver on 1690 and KAVT 1680 from Fresno. I might not love > the music but the stereo is good and kids get acquainted with AM and thats a > good thing. > > I suspect 1560 still sounds great in NYC because they had some awesome > equipment in the day when they still had American Standards on the air. WQXR > with Classical sounded phenomenal in AM stereo when they had it on. > > Kevin > Mesa, Arizona From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jun 17 15:55:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 17 Jun 2002 22:55:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 30437 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2002 22:54:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2002 22:54:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2002 22:54:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2002 22:54:58 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 22:54:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New Expanded Band station in Iowa Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 452 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.85.24 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics A construction permit has been granted for 1700 WSJZ in Des Moines, Iowa. Yes, that's right -- a new "W"-call station west of the Mississippi! Don't ask me how that happened.... http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/info?call=WSJZ&band=AM "WSJZ" makes me think they might be planning a "Smooth Jazz" music format (a.k.a. the modern version of Easy Listening), but that's just a guess.... whatever they are, hopefully they will be in AM Stereo! From groucho@skyweb.net Mon Jun 17 16:03:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 17 Jun 2002 23:03:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 33585 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2002 23:03:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2002 23:03:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2002 23:03:56 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g5HN6oGJ012323 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 19:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D0E69FD.D86FB0D@skyweb.net> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 19:00:13 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Expanded Band station in Iowa References: From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit well Kevin the owners name is Wilks so it is possible that it stands for Wilks Smooth JaZz kevtronics wrote: > A construction permit has been granted for 1700 WSJZ in Des Moines, > Iowa. Yes, that's right -- a new "W"-call station west of the > Mississippi! Don't ask me how that happened.... > > http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/info?call=WSJZ&band=AM > > "WSJZ" makes me think they might be planning a "Smooth Jazz" music > format (a.k.a. the modern version of Easy Listening), but that's just > a guess.... whatever they are, hopefully they will be in AM Stereo! > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Jun 17 16:30:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 17 Jun 2002 23:30:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 37044 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2002 23:30:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2002 23:30:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.94) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2002 23:30:34 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 16:30:34 -0700 Received: from 209.240.222.130 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 23:30:34 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@bellsouth.net Bcc: Subject: IBOC comments to the FCC Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 23:30:34 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jun 2002 23:30:34.0406 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA6A3C60:01C21656] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.222.130] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 I want to thank both Kevins and Chris for reminding us that tomorrow (the 18th) is the last day the FCC will accept comments on IBOC. I just posted and received confirmation number 2002617030302 ...... so I hope to be able to see (to be absolutely sure that my comments were accepted) my comments, and hopefully all of our comments will be seriously considered and not tossed. donn st petersburg,fl _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jun 17 16:37:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 17 Jun 2002 23:37:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 66679 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2002 23:37:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2002 23:37:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2002 23:37:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2002 23:37:35 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 23:37:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Chrysler AMAX Stereo radio on eBay Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 527 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.85.24 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Here is one of the highly desired Chrysler car radios with hi-fi AMAX AM Stereo and full Expanded Band coverage to 1700 kHz. Local stations will give you crisp, clear AM Stereo with excellent fidelity, and it has auto-variable bandwidth with whistle filter for great DXing. Features the "Noise Immune" pilot detector to avoid "falsing" on non-Stereo signals. This is the highest performance AM Stereo radio Chrysler has ever equipped their vehicles with. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1359922707 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jun 17 16:42:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 17 Jun 2002 23:42:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 71854 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2002 23:42:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2002 23:42:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2002 23:42:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2002 23:42:07 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 23:42:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: another SRF-A100 on eBay Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 228 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.85.24 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I wouldn't call it "very very rare" like this seller does, but here is another Sony SRF-A100 multi-system AM Stereo radio on eBay. Current bid price is $132.50. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2112943551 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jun 17 17:31:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 18 Jun 2002 00:31:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 52227 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2002 00:31:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2002 00:31:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2002 00:31:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2002 00:31:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 00:31:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Link to view FCC comments on IBOC Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1051 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.85.24 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics After fiddling around on the FCC web site for about 20 minutes, I finally found the link to view the comments that have been submitted about the IBOC digital broadcasting system. For the convenience of others I have made a "quick link" to it on my own web server: http://rvcc2.raritanval.edu/ktek9053/iboc.htm Note that the numbers work backwards, so comments numbered "1-10" are actually the most recent comments that have been submitted. Adobe Acrobat is required to view the comments which are in PDF format. I browsed through the 20 most recent comments, and *all* were against the use of IBOC on AM, although one was highly supportive of the European "DRM" system. The latest anti-IBOC comments I viewed included those from the C.Crane Co., Harry L. Helms (author of books on amateur radio, including the popular book "All About Ham Radio"), and Tom Bryant (former engineer of WSM 650 back when they were an AM Stereo station). p.s. To the fellow from Canada... yes, your comment was approved and it does show up in the list. From groucho@skyweb.net Mon Jun 17 18:12:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 18 Jun 2002 01:12:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 24597 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2002 01:12:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2002 01:12:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2002 01:12:38 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g5I1FVGJ028769 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:15:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D0E8827.775A7DED@skyweb.net> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:08:55 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} another SRF-A100 on eBay References: From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lets see how high this puppy Goes For.. He had it up with a buy it now before First bid for $150..he may just get that or More.... Neal kevtronics wrote: > I wouldn't call it "very very rare" like this seller does, but here > is > another Sony SRF-A100 multi-system AM Stereo radio on eBay. Current > bid price is $132.50. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2112943551 > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Jun 17 18:24:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 18 Jun 2002 01:24:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 39109 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2002 01:24:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2002 01:24:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2002 01:24:17 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-112.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.112]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g5I1M1fx018208 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:22:02 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <006f01c21667$597b71a0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <3D0E69FD.D86FB0D@skyweb.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Expanded Band station in Iowa Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:27:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude It's not a new station, though the CP may reflect a transmitter site move. This is the old KBGG, which was mostly a CNN audio waste of spectrum in mono. Hopefully the new owners will go stereo. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Newman" > well Kevin the owners name is Wilks > so it is possible that it stands for Wilks Smooth JaZz > > kevtronics wrote: > > > A construction permit has been granted for 1700 WSJZ in Des Moines, > > Iowa. Yes, that's right -- a new "W"-call station west of the > > Mississippi! Don't ask me how that happened.... > > > > http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/info?call=WSJZ&band=AM > > > > "WSJZ" makes me think they might be planning a "Smooth Jazz" music > > format (a.k.a. the modern version of Easy Listening), but that's just > > a guess.... whatever they are, hopefully they will be in AM Stereo! From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Mon Jun 17 20:50:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 18 Jun 2002 03:50:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 91881 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2002 03:50:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2002 03:50:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO proxymail.homerelay.com) (209.75.47.224) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2002 03:50:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 16134 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2002 03:47:16 -0000 Received: from vtcomm-5.homerelay.com (HELO yahoo.com) (209.75.47.220) by 0 with SMTP; 18 Jun 2002 03:47:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: Date: 17 Jun 2002 20:50 -0500 Subject:1510-AM, KJAZ San Rafael, CA From: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 Well, these guys just changed format to country and so far are automated (and a daytimer, AND low budget...) and are mentioning AM-Stereo in their promos. Listening on the AMAX Sony SRF-42 and on the Denon TU-680, it sounds like an imbalance with too much sound on the left channel. Their stereo light is on and I hope that they just need some tweaking and aren't offenders. I'll keep an eye on them. Tom From dav259@csiro.au Mon Jun 17 21:45:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 18 Jun 2002 04:45:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 45581 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2002 04:45:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2002 04:45:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2002 04:45:06 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA09670 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:45:04 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:45:04 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Link to view FCC comments on IBOC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, kevtronics wrote: > p.s. To the fellow from Canada... yes, your comment was approved and > it does show up in the list. I've been deleting these messages as I didn't think foreigners could say anything to the FCC. Can someone quickly recycle the instructions!! I've been searching the FCC site with variations of "Proceeding: 99-325" and got nowhere. Ian From matthew.trim@eds.com Mon Jun 17 21:54:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 18 Jun 2002 04:54:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 45776 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2002 04:54:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2002 04:54:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns5.eds.com) (203.17.185.230) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2002 04:54:14 -0000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com (nnsy-3.eds.com [192.168.1.1]) by ns5.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g5I4sCF17693 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:54:12 +1000 (EST) Received: from nnsy.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5I4sBP29919 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:54:11 +1000 (EST) Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5I4sBG29914 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:54:11 +1000 (EST) Received: by AUSYM000 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:53:59 +1000 Message-ID: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542803F53007@AUSYM200> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Link to view FCC comments on IBOC Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:53:51 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Further to Ian's message, I would like to make a comment but I guess we both need someone to help out with a US Post Box or forwarding address that we can use on the submission so it can be accepted. Can anyone help? Cheers, Matt =) -----Original Message----- From: Ian Davidson [mailto:dav259@csiro.au] Sent: Tuesday, 18 June 2002 2:45 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Link to view FCC comments on IBOC On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, kevtronics wrote: > p.s. To the fellow from Canada... yes, your comment was approved and > it does show up in the list. I've been deleting these messages as I didn't think foreigners could say anything to the FCC. Can someone quickly recycle the instructions!! I've been searching the FCC site with variations of "Proceeding: 99-325" and got nowhere. Ian Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From rjskadl@yahoo.com Mon Jun 17 22:13:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 18 Jun 2002 05:13:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 87226 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2002 05:13:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2002 05:13:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2002 05:13:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2002 05:13:23 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 05:13:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Canadians can comment to our USA FCC Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 390 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl Believe it or not non US residents are allowed to make comments to the FCC. What you are supposed to do is enter your zip code as 00000. all zeros. If you go to the comment main page there are the real instructions on how non US residents can comment. So If we have any Canadians or MExicans here that want to comment on IBOC please by all means, go for it! Time is running out. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jun 17 22:21:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 18 Jun 2002 05:21:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 56325 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2002 05:21:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2002 05:21:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2002 05:21:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2002 05:21:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 05:21:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Link to view FCC comments on IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1230 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.85.24 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Can someone quickly recycle the instructions!! I've been searching > the FCC site with variations of "Proceeding: 99-325" and got > nowhere. Here is a re-cap: Comments to the FCC about IBOC DAB (on both the AM and FM bands) will be accepted up to Tuesday, June 18th {American time}. If you wish to file your comments, you can do so on-line, via this address: http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi In the "Proceeding" field, type in 99-325 (no quotes or "MM"), or you can double-check to be sure by clicking on the "Proceedings" link, typing 99-325 in the search field, and then clicking on the result that comes up ("In the Matter of Digital Audio Broadcasting Systems and Their Impact On the Terrestrial Radio Broadcast Service"). Make sure you follow the guidelines they give, and write down the confirmation number you get after you submit your comments. And as has been pointed out, non-Americans can submit comments by typing "00000" as their Zip code in the address. Just put your full correct mailing address somewhere in the message. p.s. I've been browsing through the comments, and so far the only ones I have seen that are truly supportive of IBOC are from "USA Digital Radio, Inc."! From dav259@csiro.au Mon Jun 17 22:38:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 18 Jun 2002 05:38:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 97406 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2002 05:38:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2002 05:38:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2002 05:38:22 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09911 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:38:20 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:38:20 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Link to view FCC comments on IBOC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, kevtronics wrote: > http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi Thanks Kevin ... easier than boiling an egg ... Ian [conf#2002618851528] From rjskadl@yahoo.com Mon Jun 17 22:41:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 18 Jun 2002 05:41:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 34748 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2002 05:41:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2002 05:41:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2002 05:41:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2002 05:41:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 05:41:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: In addition to: Canadians can comment to our USA FCC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 577 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl International users can comment by entereing the zip code as all zeros 00000 and selecting "DC" for state. --- In amstereoforum@y..., "rjskadl" wrote: > > Believe it or not non US residents are allowed to make comments to > the FCC. What you are supposed to do is enter your zip code as > 00000. all zeros. If you go to the comment main page there are the > real instructions on how non US residents can comment. So If we have > any Canadians or MExicans here that want to comment on IBOC please by > all means, go for it! Time is running out. From kfornal@loa.com Tue Jun 18 14:31:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kfornal@loa.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 18 Jun 2002 21:31:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 37277 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2002 21:31:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2002 21:31:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao03.cox.net) (68.1.17.242) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2002 21:31:02 -0000 Received: from OMNIBOOK ([68.9.127.164]) by lakemtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020618213102.UCQN1975.lakemtao03.cox.net@OMNIBOOK> for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 17:31:02 -0400 To: Subject: NAB Urges Daytime AM IBOC Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 17:30:51 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c2170f$6ea28c50$0401a8c0@OMNIBOOK> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Keith Fornal" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110312140 X-Yahoo-Profile: theradboy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From RW Online: NAB Urges Daytime AM IBOC Even as an interim daytime service, IBOC digital radio offer a chance to revitalize AM, according to the NAB. The association says the FCC should authorize the Ibiquity AM IBOC system for daytime operation. "Such action will provide an immediate and dramatic improvement in daytime AM radio listening, while minimizing potential additional interference and advancing the overall deployment of terrestrial digital radio," it wrote in comments filed with the commission. The NAB agreed with the standards-setting NRSC that authorization of AM IBOC be for daytime only until the question of nighttime first-adjacent-channel interference is solved. "Deployment of IBOC is particularly important for the AM band, which has suffered tremendously from a difficult RF environment, a high level of interference from various sources, limited receiver performance quality and lack of effective stereo operations," NAB wrote. Keith Fornal Treasurer Dutch Island Lighthouse Society www.dutchislandlighthouse.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Jun 18 14:38:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 18 Jun 2002 21:38:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 54935 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2002 21:38:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2002 21:38:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster1.vcn.com) (209.193.72.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2002 21:38:09 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.42]) by m1-cluster1.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:38:08 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} NAB Urges Daytime AM IBOC Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:38:05 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <000b01c2170f$6ea28c50$0401a8c0@OMNIBOOK> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah RIGHT.....and I can just hear people saying "well you know I LOVE that new station but I can only listen to them during the day. They sound like sh*t at night. So I listen to something else at night" I don't THINK so. When people find a favorite station they enjoy listening to, they like to have it ALL THE TIME, not just during the day. True, 20 years ago there were still lots of "daytimers" but back then EVERYONE listened to AM radio. These days hardly anyone listens to AM. The only way you can win them back is to give them a good-sounding station 24/7. Something that with the combination of good-sounding radios and C-QUAM stereo can be acheived. mjr n wyo -----Original Message----- From: Keith Fornal [mailto:kfornal@loa.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:31 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} NAB Urges Daytime AM IBOC From RW Online: NAB Urges Daytime AM IBOC Even as an interim daytime service, IBOC digital radio offer a chance to revitalize AM, according to the NAB. The association says the FCC should authorize the Ibiquity AM IBOC system for daytime operation. "Such action will provide an immediate and dramatic improvement in daytime AM radio listening, while minimizing potential additional interference and advancing the overall deployment of terrestrial digital radio," it wrote in comments filed with the commission. The NAB agreed with the standards-setting NRSC that authorization of AM IBOC be for daytime only until the question of nighttime first-adjacent-channel interference is solved. "Deployment of IBOC is particularly important for the AM band, which has suffered tremendously from a difficult RF environment, a high level of interference from various sources, limited receiver performance quality and lack of effective stereo operations," NAB wrote. Keith Fornal Treasurer Dutch Island Lighthouse Society www.dutchislandlighthouse.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Jun 18 15:34:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 18 Jun 2002 22:34:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 2250 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2002 22:34:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2002 22:34:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m3-cluster1.vcn.com) (209.193.72.33) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2002 22:34:06 -0000 Received: from michael (unverified [209.193.86.42]) by m3-cluster1.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:34:06 -0600 To: Subject: FCC comments on IBOC-Filed mine! Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:34:04 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just submitted mine. I guess I got a little lengthy, but I don't care. When I submitted my comments I had not read any of the others. I found it interesting after I started reading other people's comments after I submitted mine. Looks like a lot of folks feel the same way that I do. That the 10khz audio that ALL am stations are currently transmitting sounds wonderful already. It's the receivers that make it sound bad and turned people off of it. There will have to be new receivers manufactured to receive the FM IBOC.....so why not on all these new receivers just mandate AMAX specs and C-Quam stereo for the AM side. People really WILL be pleasently surprised and I guarantee ya everyone out there is gonna think that the FCC did something to improve AM when in fact they didn't.....they're still hearing the same old audio that's always been transmitted.....they're just hearing it loud and CLEAR now at 7.5khz bandwidth. I really think THAT is the solution to saving AM. Just make radios that hear it the way it's being transmitted. Mandate AMAX so that you can have some noise-blanking to get rid of the annoying static and filter out that 10Khz whistle that annoys so many people and "hurts their ears" at night. Period. THAT'S all ya need to save AM. IBOC will NOT work. I'm NOT going to listen to something I can only hear during the day. I'm NOT going to listen to something that's going to sound like a "RealPlayer" that keeps cutting out, skipping, and choking because it's losing packets when I'm driving around and getting further away from the signal. Amen Michael n WYO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Jun 18 15:42:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 18 Jun 2002 22:42:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 32972 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2002 22:42:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2002 22:42:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2002 22:42:47 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.31]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 18:41:57 -0400 Message-ID: <003401c21719$8e1bc100$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <000b01c2170f$6ea28c50$0401a8c0@OMNIBOOK> Subject: Re: {AMSF} NAB Urges Daytime AM IBOC Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 18:43:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 This is why I do not subscribe to RW anymore. What HORSE S***! Bob Carter said it- NAB - "National association of boobs" The ONLY thing that will save AM or rather bring it back, is *Programming*..... But this all falls on deaf ears. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Fornal To: Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 5:30 PM Subject: {AMSF} NAB Urges Daytime AM IBOC > > From RW Online: > > > NAB Urges Daytime AM IBOC From rjskadl@yahoo.com Tue Jun 18 16:18:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 18 Jun 2002 23:18:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 84315 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2002 23:18:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2002 23:18:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2002 23:18:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2002 23:18:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:18:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: HELP! IBOC! Save me! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 953 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl We Need IBOC to save the day! Without it Radio is Doomed. We must move Radio into the digital domain, or it will be lost in the new millenium! Digital sound is far superior to analog sound. So say the big broadcasting companies, the broadcast equipment manufacturers, and of course Ibiquity. And why not, there is a lot of money to be made on all of this lousy rhetoric. I feel like we are fighting a losing battle. Why should we worry about technical standards. We never have in the past. We never seem to accept the best system. why should things be any different with the dawn of digital broadcasting. As long as the money is flowing from the poor consumers into the hands of the rich corporations. That is all that matters. To not accept IBOC would be "Un-American." These folks need to get a life. Damn it! Just give me good old fashioned live and local radio in good quality analog. You can't beat that with a stick. From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Jun 18 17:11:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 19 Jun 2002 00:11:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 55970 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2002 00:11:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2002 00:11:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2002 00:11:22 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g5J0E3YT009585 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 20:14:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D0FCB3F.3A989299@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 20:07:27 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} NAB Urges Daytime AM IBOC References: From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lack of Effective stereo Operations... eeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhh WRONG... more like a Lack of Stereo Receivers.... Thank you Chris for my New stereo radio. I can receive at least 5 local stations In AM Stereo and they all Sound really Good.. so I now am a stronger Believer in AM Stereo. and its Not the lack of Effective Stereo Operations by Stations as per the NAB. they Don't know what the Hell they are talking about... Neal > > and lack of effective stereo operations," NAB wrote. > > > Keith Fornal > Treasurer > Dutch Island Lighthouse Society > www.dutchislandlighthouse.org > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Jun 18 17:16:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 19 Jun 2002 00:16:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 33419 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2002 00:16:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2002 00:16:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2002 00:16:49 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g5J0JdYT010499 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 20:19:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D0FCC8D.F7A0DAF7@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 20:13:01 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} HELP! IBOC! Save me! References: From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok well Said.. so Now when are You Going to add Stereo To WNYG LOL ROFLMAO....... Neal from your sister station which is Stereo... BTW is 540kc Stereo? I don't see a Pilot on it from here and I do get the station Clearly rjskadl wrote: > > We Need IBOC to save the day! Without it Radio is Doomed. We must > move Radio into the digital domain, or it will be lost in the new > millenium! Digital sound is far superior to analog sound. So say > the big broadcasting companies, the broadcast equipment > manufacturers, and of course Ibiquity. And why not, there is a lot > of money to be made on all of this lousy rhetoric. I feel like we > are fighting a losing battle. > > Why should we worry about technical standards. We never have in the > past. We never seem to accept the best system. why should things be > any different with the dawn of digital broadcasting. As long as the > money is flowing from the poor consumers into the hands of the rich > corporations. That is all that matters. To not accept IBOC would > be "Un-American." These folks need to get a life. > > Damn it! Just give me good old fashioned live and local radio in > good quality analog. You can't beat that with a stick. > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Tue Jun 18 17:18:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 19 Jun 2002 00:18:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 52726 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2002 00:18:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2002 00:18:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r04.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.100) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2002 00:18:12 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.194.88902ee (16782) for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 20:18:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <194.88902ee.2a4127bb@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 20:18:03 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} NAB Urges Daytime AM IBOC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 6/18/02 6:44:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ccuff@in4web.com writes: << This is why I do not subscribe to RW anymore. What HORSE S***! Bob Carter said it- NAB - "National association of boobs" The ONLY thing that will save AM or rather bring it back, is *Programming*..... But this all falls on deaf ears. CC >> LOL...true....of course I made one more comment to the FCC this evening..{hope it shows up and made it in time},but while reading some of the comments from the NAB...I came up with another name ...National A** of Broadcasters......hehehe..ok, I forgot how to spell association..I thought is was spelled with only 3 letters...gee old age is a bad thing after all. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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Here is the last one of three comments that I have submitted so far, and I think this one will have the most impact: ===================================================================== To the Federal Communications Commission and all interested parties: I feel that there has not been enough unbiased, objective testing of the IBOC DAB proposal and all associated concerns related to its use on the AM and FM radio bands. The vast majority of the available data on IBOC DAB has been provided by the same company that created it, and this just cannot be trusted to be fully fair and objective. To help alleviate this, I have conducted my own tests and hereby submit my results, relating to the impact of the 4.5 kHz analog audio bandwidth restriction that use of IBOC DAB would impose on AM signals. iBiquity claims that most existing analog AM receivers have too narrow of a bandwidth to be able to distingish the difference between this 4.5 kHz limit and the 10 kHz audio limit currently specified by the NRSC standard adopted by the FCC in the early 1990s. On the following web site I have complied my own test resports, made using eight different AM receivers, to demonstrate clearly and objectively exactly the kind of impact that this change in the transmitted analog AM audio bandwidth would cause. These tests were preformed to critical quality standards and although I am not a professional radio engineer, I feel that they can be upheld to standards equally authoritative as the test results submitted by iBiquity. I also offer them with completely no bias or subjectivity whatsoever. The results of my tests have been captured as MP3 audio files for all interested parties to download, listen to, and make judgements for themselves. For these test results, including the MP3 files ready to download and a more detailed description of exactly the test methods that I used, please refer to the following web site address: http://rvcc2.raritanval.edu/ktek9053/iboc/ Hopefully this submission and the availability of these test results and audio recordings will help to aid the FCC and all related parties in their decisions regarding use of iBiquity's IBOC Digital Audio Broadcasting system on the AM radio band. Sincerely, Kevin M. Tekel, N2WTO Warren, New Jersey, USA kevtronics@yahoo.com From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Tue Jun 18 20:21:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 19 Jun 2002 03:21:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 87665 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2002 03:21:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2002 03:21:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf01bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.141) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2002 03:21:43 -0000 Received: from juan ([67.32.221.211]) by imf01bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020619032311.SQOC5702.imf01bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:23:11 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01c21740$70a48090$d3dd2043@juan> To: Subject: OT: Beach Music Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:21:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Are there any radio stations in the Carolinas that play Beach music ? I remember hearing about an AM station in Myrtle Beach. By the way, I read the comments on IBOC, and everyone on this list should be proud. The messages were well said. I hope mine made it in. Juan WTTB WGNX WOSN WGYL KB0GXM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Jun 18 21:16:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 19 Jun 2002 04:16:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 63704 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2002 04:12:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2002 04:12:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2002 04:12:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2002 04:12:48 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 04:12:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: My IBOC Response Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 427 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.71 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst I managed to get a comment posted at the FCC website last night so here's the link to it. http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdf&id_document=6513198117 I am about finished with my circuit board for a 13028 decoder along with schematic and documentation. My computer is acting flaky so I will post a link soon in the forum but I may be offline for awhile as I borbably need to reinstall my OS. JSG From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Jun 18 21:19:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 19 Jun 2002 04:19:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 49380 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2002 04:19:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2002 04:19:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2002 04:19:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2002 04:19:07 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 04:19:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: My IBOC Response Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 189 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.71 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "jsgilst" wrote: Sorry I guess I didnt uncheck wrap text. http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdf&id_document=6513198117 From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Jun 18 21:21:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 19 Jun 2002 04:21:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 40787 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2002 04:21:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2002 04:21:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2002 04:21:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2002 04:21:45 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 04:21:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: My IBOC Response Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 317 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.71 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "jsgilst" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@y..., "jsgilst" wrote: > > Sorry I guess I didnt uncheck wrap text. > > http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdf&id_document=6513198117 I guess I did the first time but yahoo wrapped it anyway. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Jun 18 21:53:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 19 Jun 2002 04:53:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 61557 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2002 04:53:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2002 04:53:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11704.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2002 04:53:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20020619045313.85692.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.36.241] by web11704.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 21:53:13 PDT Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 21:53:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Beach Music To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000a01c21740$70a48090$d3dd2043@juan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio You have hit on one of my favorite subjects! There's an FM station there WVCO/94.9(235) playing beach music. I almost had a job there. It's online at www.949thesurf.com. Beach music is also on www.wgqr1057.com. The station is on WGQR/105.7(289). It has an AM mono simulcast WBLA/1440. 73, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Jun 19 00:41:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 19 Jun 2002 07:41:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 15366 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2002 07:41:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2002 07:41:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2002 07:41:52 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.49]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 03:41:04 -0400 Message-ID: <001901c21764$dd79a320$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <000a01c21740$70a48090$d3dd2043@juan> Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Beach Music Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 03:42:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 OK, now I am curious- just what IS "Beach music"?.. it seems the term is used from Florida up thru the Carolinas, but what type of music is it? Name some artists/songs for me.. Another thing- I know slightly off topic, but what does "Ska" mean in todays music? I hear the term, but never knew where or how it originated... CC From dav259@csiro.au Wed Jun 19 00:55:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 19 Jun 2002 07:55:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 53138 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2002 07:55:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2002 07:55:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2002 07:55:21 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA14384 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 17:55:15 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 17:55:14 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Very OT: Beach Music In-Reply-To: <001901c21764$dd79a320$0101a8c0@pavilion> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, Christopher Cuff wrote: > OK, now I am curious- just what IS "Beach music"?.. it seems the term is > used from Florida up thru the Carolinas, but what type of music is it? Name > some artists/songs for me. Hey Chris - have you never heard of the Beach Boys? ... and the theme music to that great smash hit movie and remake "On the Beach" - which was indeed Waltzing Matilda. btw - when Ava Gardner came to Melbourne to shoot the original - she is reported to have said she couldn't imagine a better place to make a movie about the end of the world. A woman of absolutely no taste in my view - one could say common as muck. > Another thing- I know slightly off topic, but what does "Ska" mean in todays > music? I hear the term, but never knew where or how it originated... SKa is a group of amateur short film makers from right here in St. Kilda. It gets it's stuff to air on our community TV station here - "We are Melbourne - Channel 31". I trust this had cleared everything up for you but Jay may have a different interpretation. :) From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Jun 19 00:59:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 19 Jun 2002 07:59:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 48382 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2002 07:59:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2002 07:59:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2002 07:59:51 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.49]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 03:59:03 -0400 Message-ID: <004101c21767$60b5e940$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Very OT: Beach Music Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 04:00:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Well, here, one refers to musical groups like "The Mighty Mighty Bosstones" as "ska" music.. (I love their stuff, btw) CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Davidson From dav259@csiro.au Wed Jun 19 01:06:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 19 Jun 2002 08:06:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 62136 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2002 08:06:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2002 08:06:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2002 08:06:14 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14411 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 18:06:12 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 18:06:12 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Very OT: Beach Music In-Reply-To: <004101c21767$60b5e940$0101a8c0@pavilion> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, Christopher Cuff wrote: > Well, here, one refers to musical groups like "The Mighty Mighty Bosstones" > as "ska" music.. (I love their stuff, btw) This stuff will have been and gone in two years time. Stick with "Oklahoma!" - it's weathered 59 years and is still going strong ... Oh what a beautiful morning ... it must be in up state New York! btw - the farmer and the cowman should be friends :) From phil@transmittersrus.com Wed Jun 19 01:42:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 19 Jun 2002 08:42:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 92840 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2002 08:42:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2002 08:42:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail11.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.23) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2002 08:42:09 -0000 Received: from modem-91.denethor.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.153.91] helo=fslife.co.uk) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17Kb2V-0001zn-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:42:08 +0100 Message-ID: <35mOvoA14DE9EwYS@fslife.co.uk> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:17:57 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Mod monitors MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-U () From: Philip de Cadenet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public I picked the following up on another list and was wondering what some of the AM Stereo engineers here use. Is there a currently available AM stereo modulation monitor that you would recommend if you had to purchase new? I usually use *both* a scope and the Mod monitor. Especially when I have a facility with an ancient mod monitor that might overshoot with LF energy. Todays processing can create LF energy unheard of 25 years ago, and ancient mod monitors seemed to be designed around the program response of eons ago... -- Philip de Cadenet WLYC Williamsport PA From amfmdx@fastq.com Wed Jun 19 08:23:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 19 Jun 2002 15:23:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 47288 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2002 15:23:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2002 15:23:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2002 15:23:03 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d50-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.82]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g5JFN2n42365 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:23:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <04d801c217a5$27daf960$4992adcf@kredding430cdt> To: Subject: Fw: IBOC and AM stereo Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:22:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Write CCrane, apparently they are receptive. I TOLD YOU ALL, THAT ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS TALK ABOUT MAKING MONEY. See below.... Kevin Mesa, Arizona ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 8:07 AM Subject: Re: IBOC and AM stereo > Dear Kevin, > > > We appreciate you taking the time to write our company. I am passing your > ideas and request on to our product development dept. (personally I agree > with you on the stereo radio need). We appreciate your sharing your ideas > with our company; we are always looking for new products and ideas. > > > Patty Cope > Customer Support Specialist > From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Jun 19 08:23:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 19 Jun 2002 15:23:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 40530 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2002 15:23:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2002 15:23:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11703.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2002 15:23:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20020619152353.18437.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.36.241] by web11703.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:23:53 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:23:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mod monitors To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <35mOvoA14DE9EwYS@fslife.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Maybe the BE AS-10 will do nicely. You can see the specs at www.bdcast.com. 73, Jay.N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From narkspud@hotmail.com Wed Jun 19 08:32:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 19 Jun 2002 15:32:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 46475 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2002 15:32:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2002 15:32:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.61) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2002 15:32:43 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:32:43 -0700 Received: from 67.89.146.146 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:32:43 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Beach Music Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:32:43 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jun 2002 15:32:43.0701 (UTC) FILETIME=[8E2B5650:01C217A6] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.89.146.146] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud Beach Music is wonderful R&B stuff, both famous and obscure, popular in the southeast US. If this were a music criticism group, which it ain't, this would be the cue for a big argument about what songs do and do not constitute Beach Music (such as Does Motown Count, Has Any Been Recorded Since The Mid-50's, etc.) but so far as this transplanted North Carolinian is concerned, it's swingin' soul and R&B that you can Shag (that's a dance) to or sit on the beach, rub your belly, watch bikini chicks, and drink beer to. Some representative samples that are known nationally: Stay - Maurice Williams & the Zodiacs 60 Minute Man - Billy Ward & the Dominoes Under the Boardwalk - The Drifters Give Me Just a Little More Time - Chairmen of the Board What Kind of Fool Do You Think I Am - The Tams Anna (Go To Him) - Arthur Alexander (the song the Beatles covered) Girl Watcher - The O'Kaysions It Will Stand - The Showmen My Girl - The Temptations Duke of Earl - Gene Chandler Double Shot of My Baby's Love - The Swingin' Medallions Obscurities abound as well, of course, with such records as "Rainy Day Bells" by the Globetrotters, "39-21-46" by the Showmen, "Miss Grace" by the Tymes, "Myrtle Beach Days" by the Fantastic Shakers, and "Summertime's Calling Me" by the Catalinas being just as popular, if not even more so, than the above listed tracks. One or more of the "Beach Music Anthology" CD box sets on Ripete Records would be money well spent, if this track list has caught your attention. (To drag this slightly back on topic, Ripete is excellent at unearthing rare stereo versions, such as "Duke of Earl.") The Beach Music scene even got a movie all to itself, called "The Shag." Stars Phoebe Cates, which is always a good thing, IMHO. Now I live in Southern California, where they ain't got no clue what Beach Music is. "Fun Fun Fun?" Feh. narkspud (gone to check out that link to that Myrtle Beach station. PLEASE let there be streaming audio.) >OK, now I am curious- just what IS "Beach music"?.. it seems the term is >used from Florida up thru the Carolinas, but what type of music is it? Name >some artists/songs for me.. >Another thing- I know slightly off topic, but what does "Ska" mean in >todays >music? I hear the term, but never knew where or how it originated... >CC > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Jun 19 08:40:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 19 Jun 2002 15:40:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 29440 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2002 15:40:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2002 15:40:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11705.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2002 15:40:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20020619154044.56417.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.36.241] by web11705.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:40:44 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:40:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Very OT: Beach Music To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Ska was actually the presecessor to Reggae in Jamaica, but over here in pop music, it is a combination of rock, reggae and swing. It was popular for the 2nd half of 1998. Around the beginning of 1999 it died and hard rock made a comeback that has stayed with us to this day. Now, modern rockers will play, uh unsure since I'm no longer in the listening area of O-Rock 105.9 in Orlando. The Providence stations (WBRU, WWRX-FM) aren't too great. But they're playing Staind (I guess) as opposed to M.M.B.T. because of that. Now...BEACH MUSIC! Beach music emerged after WWII in and around Myrtle Beach, S.C.. It has NOTHING to do with the Beach Bums, er Boys. It has an R&B flavor and its dance is called the "Shag." So, all you pervs, Shagging in S.C. is something else entirely! The Shag is an offshoot of the Jitterbug. Beach music can be older R&B classics like "Stay" "39-21-40 Shape" and "Lonely Drifter" but in its purest form, it is its own music. Pure Beach Music consists of talking about things related to Beach Music. Some songs consist of "Myrtle Beach Days" by The Fantastic Shakers, "Shag with Me" by Clifford Curry and pretty much everything by The Catalinas like "Facts of Love" (my favorite song right now. It came out in 1980) and the song that got me started on Beach Music, "Summertime's Calling Me" (1975). I found it on a compilation LP I found at my last radio station, WFCF. Beach even has its own record label, Ripete Records. Lately, Carolinians have been ditching Beach Music and instead are shagging to country music which is pretty sad because Beach is a unique form of music. Well, time to go back to listening to Beach Beat Volume 1! For the best Beach Music, check out Billy Smith on WVCO/94.9-Loris/Myrtle Beach, S.C.. He's on 3-7 P.M. M-F at www.949thesurf.com. 73, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Jun 19 08:42:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 19 Jun 2002 15:42:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 8061 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2002 15:42:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2002 15:42:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11704.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2002 15:42:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20020619154241.61976.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.36.241] by web11704.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:42:41 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:42:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Beach Music To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio YES, there is streaming audio! You're welcome. Now back to enlightening all of Rhode Island to Beach Music. Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From narkspud@hotmail.com Wed Jun 19 08:44:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 19 Jun 2002 15:44:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 85632 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2002 15:44:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2002 15:44:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.16.148) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2002 15:44:35 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:44:35 -0700 Received: from 67.89.146.146 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:44:35 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Very OT: Beach Music Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:44:35 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jun 2002 15:44:35.0281 (UTC) FILETIME=[364DD410:01C217A8] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.89.146.146] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud >Lately, Carolinians have been ditching Beach >Music and instead are shagging to country music >which is pretty sad because Beach is a unique >form of music. The suckers! I leave 'em alone for just a few years. . . . narkspud _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From amfmdx@fastq.com Wed Jun 19 08:49:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 19 Jun 2002 15:49:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 94167 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2002 15:49:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2002 15:49:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2002 15:49:10 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d50-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.82]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g5JFn9n43235 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:49:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <04f001c217a8$c34c5760$4992adcf@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Beach Music Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:48:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Beach Music is wonderful R&B stuff, both famous and obscure, popular in the > southeast US. Yes it sure is. I used to live in Summerville, SC and listened to it all the time. Plop down on the Grand Strand with a folding beach chair, turn the radio on, get a beer out of the cooler and instant party. :) Kevin Mesa, Arizona From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Jun 19 09:15:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 19 Jun 2002 16:15:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 12533 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2002 16:15:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2002 16:15:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11706.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2002 16:15:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20020619161551.27516.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.36.241] by web11706.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:15:51 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:15:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Beach Music To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <04f001c217a8$c34c5760$4992adcf@kredding430cdt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Beach music is America's best-kept secret. You're gonna have to go back to S.C. to make sure they get off of this passing fad of country music. Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From groucho@skyweb.net Wed Jun 19 10:07:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 19 Jun 2002 17:07:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 64484 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2002 17:07:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2002 17:07:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2002 17:07:32 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g5JHANvr030891 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:10:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D10B976.FF684ACF@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:03:50 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mod monitors References: <20020619152353.18437.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com> From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a Delta Electronics Stereo modulation Meter the only bad Point is that its crystal Controlled single Frequency but I also have 2 TFT modulation Meters one for FM and One model 923 AM,both of which can go anywhere On their respective Bands Check out the specs on the AM unit at: http://www.tftinc.com/modulation/923m.html Neal JNR wrote: > Maybe the BE AS-10 will do nicely. You can see > the specs at www.bdcast.com. > > 73, > Jay.N1WVQ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Wed Jun 19 10:38:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 19 Jun 2002 17:38:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 39904 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2002 17:38:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2002 17:38:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2002 17:38:24 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g5JHfIvr036322 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:41:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D10C0B6.9293018C@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:34:46 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF}Ska Bands References: <20020619152353.18437.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Off Topic just for this Posting of Whats a SKA band.... Ska is a high speed band not quite Punk not quite Metal,Rock,N Roll songs usually are Less than 3 mins in length one of the largest in this group is Wheatus with Their hit "Teenage Dirtbag" If you heard their songs You would Know the bands. Im sure of it.. and Clutch... and ShadesApart.. I love some of these names.. Find the 2 that were named from the Movie Willy Wonka. These bands are all signed to Major Labels and Tour the Country. I have worked with the Following Ska Bands: Auustus Gloop Allister Arthur Kill OPM Wheatus Borialis Eleven After Hyperactive Last Perfect thing-LPT makers of Fine Clocks Send 72 The Youth Ahead Candira Catch 22 Clutch One eyed Jack Cooter Jazz is Dead Varuca Salt Less than Jake Life in General Shades Apart Stereo Mud Tugboat Annie 22 Jacks 60 Watt Shamen Now Back to Our Regularly scheduled Hindi Music... on WTTM Neal From groucho@skyweb.net Wed Jun 19 10:39:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 19 Jun 2002 17:39:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 33249 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2002 17:39:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2002 17:39:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2002 17:39:34 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g5JHgRvr036540 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:42:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D10C0FB.F1EA3FB0@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:35:55 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Very OT: Beach Music References: <004101c21767$60b5e940$0101a8c0@pavilion> From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes I forgot to List MMBT on My list...... ooops Neal Christopher Cuff wrote: > Well, here, one refers to musical groups like "The Mighty Mighty > Bosstones" > as "ska" music.. (I love their stuff, btw) > CC > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ian Davidson > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmdx@fastq.com Wed Jun 19 11:05:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 19 Jun 2002 18:05:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 90688 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2002 18:05:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2002 18:05:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2002 18:05:27 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d50-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.82]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g5JI5Qn48039 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:05:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <059b01c217bb$85f45260$4992adcf@kredding430cdt> To: References: <20020619152353.18437.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com> <3D10C0B6.9293018C@skyweb.net> Subject: Ska Bands [ Mentions KFNX ] Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:02:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Off Topic just for this Posting of Whats a SKA band.... Ska, its whats for dinner! Really, I listen to this stuff. They have a SKA show in Phoenix on KFNX 1100 AM at night and I listen to it and they have a show for ska/punk/reggae on FM here also. My kids listen to it with me. My wife HATES it. Thats ok, I do like ska and think it would sound great in AM stereo! Kevin Mesa, Arizona From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Wed Jun 19 12:43:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 19 Jun 2002 19:43:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 8690 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2002 19:43:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2002 19:43:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf00bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2002 19:43:09 -0000 Received: from juan ([67.34.180.50]) by imf00bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020619194437.UUXG18711.imf00bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:44:37 -0400 Message-ID: <004401c217c9$8b5983c0$32b42243@juan> To: Subject: OT: Beach Music Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:43:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wow...I didn't realize that Beach Music was that popular. There's something about Beach Music, on a rainy...snowy, or just crummy day, putting some on makes you think of the warm beach, shagging, sipping a cold one, and just enjoying life. I have both of the Ripete box sets, that are wonderful. If you like Beach Music I highly recommend them. I am planning on a Myrtle Beach vacation, and now I know I can enjoy some good tunes from the radio up there. Juan Gualda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Jun 19 15:34:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 19 Jun 2002 22:34:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 44466 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2002 22:34:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2002 22:34:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2002 22:34:46 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.65]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 18:34:00 -0400 Message-ID: <005101c217e1$999a4560$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <20020619152353.18437.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com> <3D10C0B6.9293018C@skyweb.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF}Ska Bands Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 18:35:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Thanks all for the education on music! (Neal, you forgot "Rancid"- "Time Bomb"....) I like this type of music a lot- it has motion.... kinda like driving music... and some of the harmonies are great. It may be dead on the radio, but I still like it! CC From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Jun 19 15:50:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 19 Jun 2002 22:50:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 47382 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2002 22:50:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2002 22:50:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r08.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.104) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2002 22:50:32 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.195.8838c84 (4410) for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 18:50:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <195.8838c84.2a4264b1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 18:50:25 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} My final comment about IBOC to the FCC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Just sitting here looking at some of the final comments made to the FCC about IBOC.I couldnt help but notice Clear Channel in Kentucy has now requested that the power level of the digital signal be reduced. What in tarnations is Clear Channel trying to do now I wonder?! Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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I think Voltare mentioned it recently on aus.radio.broadcast. Unfortunately I can't find an email address for 4AK so I might call them and let them know. Cheers, Matt From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Jun 19 18:19:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 20 Jun 2002 01:19:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 33243 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2002 01:19:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2002 01:19:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2002 01:19:38 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-250.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.250]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g5K1HIfx019699 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 20:17:20 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <005201c217f9$0b565ce0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <3D0FCB3F.3A989299@skyweb.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} NAB Urges Daytime AM IBOC Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 20:23:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Neal, I heartily recommend you write a rebuttal to RW and tell them just what you told us. Coming from a station engineer it would have more weight than from the average Joe. ST ---- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Newman" > and its Not the lack of > Effective Stereo Operations by Stations as per the NAB. they Don't know > what the Hell they are talking about... > Neal From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Jun 19 18:36:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 20 Jun 2002 01:36:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 58377 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2002 01:36:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2002 01:36:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2002 01:36:03 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-250.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.250]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g5K1Xhfx022328 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 20:33:45 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00b101c217fb$567f2b00$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020619152353.18437.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com> <3D10C0B6.9293018C@skyweb.net> <005101c217e1$999a4560$0101a8c0@pavilion> Subject: Re: {AMSF}Ska Bands Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 20:39:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude And of course there's groups such as Five Iron Frenzy, The W's, Insyderz... ST From groucho@skyweb.net Wed Jun 19 18:50:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 20 Jun 2002 01:50:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 23133 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2002 01:50:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2002 01:50:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2002 01:50:17 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g5K1r7vr015610 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 21:53:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D1133FA.CCC3179D@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 21:46:34 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF}Ska Bands References: <20020619152353.18437.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com> <3D10C0B6.9293018C@skyweb.net> <005101c217e1$999a4560$0101a8c0@pavilion> <00b101c217fb$567f2b00$d3a9fea9@me> From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I only Listed bands that I actually worked with Either on tour or in my studio..... there are Tons Of Ska bands Out there... Neal Scott Todd wrote: > > And of course there's groups such as Five Iron Frenzy, The W's, > Insyderz... > ST > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jun 19 18:57:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 20 Jun 2002 01:57:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 60223 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2002 01:57:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2002 01:57:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2002 01:57:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2002 01:57:12 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 01:57:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fw: IBOC and AM stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <04d801c217a5$27daf960$4992adcf@kredding430cdt> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1571 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.154 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Write CCrane, apparently they are receptive. > I TOLD YOU ALL, THAT ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS TALK ABOUT MAKING MONEY. I got the same "pre-response" when I wrote C.Crane over a year ago on the same subject. Then their "engineers" responded by saying that the benefit of AM Stereo and Wide/Narrow bandwidth selection would not be worth it because of the "extra cost" these new features would add to the "CCRadio". Remember, the "CCRadio" is a joint venture between the C.Crane Co. and Sangean. If Sangean says they don't want to make radios with AM Stereo or wide-band mode, C.Crane is out of luck -- and it's not like C.Crane can just switch to a different manufacturer or start making the radios themselves. 90% of their existing radio product line is supplied by Sangean, so when push comes to shove, it's obviously not C.Crane who will be calling the shots! p.s. The deadline has passed, and in total, 290 comments were filed with the FCC regarding IBOC DAB on the AM and FM bands. My last comment was the second to last to be added, and the final comment was anti-IBOC. CLEAR CHANNEL also chimed in to say that they support IBOC on the AM band, but only if the power of the digital sidebands is lowered in order to reduce intereference to adjacent channel stations. They admit that this will reduce the coverage of the IBOC signal even more, but Clear Channel seems to think that it would be okay for IBOC stations to have good digital reception for extremely local listeners, and telephone-quality analog mono reception for everybody else! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jun 19 19:10:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 20 Jun 2002 02:10:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 84989 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2002 02:10:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2002 02:10:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2002 02:10:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2002 02:10:08 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 02:10:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Very OT: Beach RADIO Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020619154044.56417.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1744 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.154 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics With all this talk of Beach Music and the Carolinas, it should be pointed out that the coast of North Carolina has the absolute best daytime AM reception of anywhere along the eastern USA. Because of the way groundwaves carry for extremely long distances over salt water, and because of the way NC juts out from the eastern coast, listeners along the shore in this area can hear *daytime* *groundwave* (or should I say "oceanwave" ) AM signals all the way from Florida through Rhode Island!! Here are a few reports from other radio message boards: > > > > The Outer Banks of NC being a treasure trove of daytime AM signals that include, in addtion to the standard 50kw New York fare: WPRO in Providence RI (a little spotty), WMID Atlantic City NJ, WCMC Cape May NJ, plus Long Island offerings such as WHLI. There was once a great little Top 40 in Morehead City NC, named WMBL, that was like a mini WABC with Pams jingles, reverb and even a jock named Bobaloo. At 740 with 1,000 watts over water they could be heard from Hatteras NC to Savannah GA! < < < < > > > > On the same subject....In 1990, I bought the Superadio II just down the road from Hatteres in Wilmington, NC. The test came at my aunt and uncle's house. They live on the Intercoastal Waterway just north of Wilmington. It was just after lunch and the first station to catch my attention was at 560 khz. It was oldies music and as the song ended I heard the ID. It was WQAM Miami (they were oldies circa 1990). I almost dropped the radio. I grabbed my Realistic DX-440 and tried 560 on that radio. I could barely make out what was very listenable on the Superadio II. That's why the Superadio II is my favorite radio of all time. < < < < From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Jun 19 22:03:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 20 Jun 2002 05:03:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 16418 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2002 05:03:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2002 05:03:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14206.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2002 05:03:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20020620050314.68517.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.190] by web14206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 22:03:14 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 22:03:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Great Job Crew! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio What an excellent show on the FCC website with all of our comments regarding IBOC not being ready for the bigtime yet, and making decent AM Stereo receivers instead! I have to believe we've gotten the message across to them; but then again, since when did intelligence become a factor over financial interests of those involved? We all at least know we gave it our best shot, and I'm curious to see how the FCC responds - for "the good of the many or the good of the few (or one)". BTW, I think we all get a month to reply to the replys yet? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Jun 19 23:21:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 20 Jun 2002 06:21:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 35719 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2002 06:21:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2002 06:21:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11707.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2002 06:21:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20020620062128.4865.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.37.128] by web11707.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 23:21:28 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 23:21:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ska Bands [ Mentions KFNX ] To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <059b01c217bb$85f45260$4992adcf@kredding430cdt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I told a board-op at KFNX, our sister station, about AMS. Maybe he'll ask about it. Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Jun 19 23:27:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 20 Jun 2002 06:27:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 54141 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2002 06:27:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2002 06:27:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11704.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2002 06:27:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20020620062706.87516.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.37.128] by web11704.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 23:27:06 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 23:27:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Beach Music To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <004401c217c9$8b5983c0$32b42243@juan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Stop by WVCO. They are at 1114 S. 3rd Street, just above a car dealership or something like that. Say hi to owner/GM Earl Taylor. Jay ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Jun 20 03:00:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 20 Jun 2002 09:59:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 44629 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2002 09:59:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2002 09:59:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2002 09:59:59 -0000 Received: from Chris1 (unverified [208.228.96.20]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 05:59:15 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c21841$3c8d9dd0$0d01a8c0@Chris1> To: Subject: positive note Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 05:59:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Got an email from Arnie Skoog (Infinity/Seattle) "no plans to go digital" as well as firm support for their am stereo holdings. A good sign, IMO. Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmdx@fastq.com Thu Jun 20 07:50:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 20 Jun 2002 14:50:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 41817 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2002 14:50:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2002 14:50:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2002 14:50:55 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt ([209.63.214.240]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g5KEosn71735 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 07:50:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <00ee01c21869$dc7541e0$a4f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <20020620062128.4865.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ska Bands [ Mentions KFNX ] Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 07:47:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Jay, When KFNX was KCCF, they were the best AM stereo station I ever heard and that includes the stereo I heard in New England and New York. Kevin Mesa, Arizona ----- Original Message ----- From: "JNR" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 11:21 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ska Bands [ Mentions KFNX ] > I told a board-op at KFNX, our sister station, > about AMS. Maybe he'll ask about it. > > Jay From philipr@irac.pe.ca Thu Jun 20 08:00:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 20 Jun 2002 15:00:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 51176 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2002 15:00:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2002 15:00:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2002 15:00:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2002 15:00:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 15:00:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Very OT: Beach RADIO, maybe not so OT? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4405 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > With all this talk of Beach Music and the Carolinas, it should be > pointed out that the coast of North Carolina has the absolute best > daytime AM reception of anywhere along the eastern USA. Because of > the way groundwaves carry for extremely long distances over salt > water, and because of the way NC juts out from the eastern coast, > listeners along the shore in this area can hear *daytime* *groundwave* > (or should I say "oceanwave" ) AM signals all the way > from Florida through Rhode Island!! > Same goes for Atlantic Canada. With the exception of the Amherst to Moncton area - the wonderful Tantramar marshes [Ibelieve with a ground conductivity of 40, if I'm not mistaken] which RCI, CBA and CKDH make good use of, the ground conductivity in Atlantic Canada is poor - ranging from 1 to 4. It was a real shame when 25 kw CKCW 1220 AM Stereo Moncton NB [not far from these lovely marshes] flipped to a pathetic 14.5 kw Class B FM. However, salt water, with a ground conductivity of 5000, has big benefits! Like North Carlina, Nova Scotia and Newfoundland jut out - you'd be amazed how much daytime DX from New England and New York is available along Nova Scotia's "Banana Belt" from Bridgewater to Digby. Take full advantage of geographic position and ground conductivity and use AM, and AM Stereo, to its fullest coverage potential. It makes sense to flip a 10kw direction on 1410 with a ground conductivity of 1 to FM - especially when the 0.5 mV/m contour only extends 25 or so miles. On the other hand, its a shame to flip an AM station to FM when the AM station has a massive coverage area, and the FM is only Class B or C1 at best. AM's biggest asset is large potential coverage area - both groundwave and skywave. When you can crank out a great AM Stereo signal 110 miles away, AM starts to demonstrate clear superiority over FM - if you, or your listeners, need that coverage. Even if you don't really need it - think twice - you, and your ARB's, or your BBM's, may want it! Most AM broadcasters today simply assume they only have listeners in their market. When they are bombarded with reception reports from well outside their market, a few real broadcasters [as opposed to professional beancounters] sit up and take notice - they really ARE listening in Outerslowbobia! To the extent a station is highly aware of its fringe market, AM starts to make sense. Thus, the DX hobby can be used to further the cause for AMS. While not AM Stereo - GE SR IIIs are dirt cheap $60 to $70 CDN at Canadian Tire or Walmart and deliver great sound on AM in the wideband position. It beats me why AM stations will give away as contest prizes just about anything - anything except a radio that will make them sound as good to most folks as an FM station! Here is another idea for an AM Stereo station - buy 10 Phillips Boomboxes, have the CE [if the poor guy has the time!] convert them to AM stereo using one of Chris's decoder boards, then give them away as prizes. While you're at it, get rid of that 1964 RCA that shatters the RF output tubes every time you try to move beyond 85% modulation [tired of sweeping the glass off the floor?], and get a nice Nautel [with the CQUAM exciter] or BE and your CE will have the TIME to play radio doctor to conjour up some cool AMS prizes! Of course the clearer sound, enhanced reliability and higher modulation will help too. Did I mention a reduced electricity bill? Last time I checked, nobody was giving away transmitter tubes either! If your station has a good format and a good sound, you'll be ordering more "station brewed" AMS radios when the word gets out! Once people get the idea, you might be able to give some budding electronics savy entrepreneur the idea of setting up shop selling converted radios to order - with a couple demos in stock. Maybe a good job for a retired CE who is getting a little bored and wants a few $s! While your at it - save out a few of these newly converted AMS radios, give them to a local charity for a raffle where they get 100% of the proceeds. There's nothing like hearing AM Stereo at the local mall to get the tennie-boppers excited - if the station is the coolest thing on either dial. Of course, AM is retro, and retro is cool! Phil From philipr@irac.pe.ca Thu Jun 20 08:09:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 20 Jun 2002 15:09:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 26303 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2002 15:09:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2002 15:09:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2002 15:09:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2002 15:09:48 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 15:09:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Alfredo Lite Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1031 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Chris - a few days ago you mentioned you had some Alfredo-Lite boards. Are you intending to sell them just as boards, as partial kits, complete kits or assembled? Prices? I have a hankering for an AM Stereo transmitter, drooled excessively over the one you had on ebay a while back. Put in a few bids too, as I recall. I do recall what you had been selling them for before, but recognize that price adjustments are sometimes necessary. Also, we have some new members who might be interested. If you have any for sale, let all of us know! By the way, I've had very good luck with shipments from the USA to Canada, just as long as their sent by USPS to Canada Post. My experience with UPS hasn't been so great. New York state to the Maritimes is as quick as a wink with USPS/CP. Phil P.S. I'm wondering if it would be possible to put together an up-to- date AMS marketplace on the site? Selling used and converted gear. Provides radios for the faithful and for newbies, and a market for the entrepreneurs. From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Thu Jun 20 08:14:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 20 Jun 2002 15:14:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 97395 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2002 15:14:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2002 15:14:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.32.181.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2002 15:14:41 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 08:14:41 -0700 Received: from 208.228.96.20 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 15:14:41 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 11:14:41 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jun 2002 15:14:41.0495 (UTC) FILETIME=[33898E70:01C2186D] From: "Chris Cuff" X-Originating-IP: [208.228.96.20] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059 I have 10 Lites available- I am only offering them completely assembled, as there is too much room for error in assembly, plus the cost would actually be more if you had to go out and find the IC's and such. (These are "basically assembled'- I still need a few days for final assembly and burn in- I finish them on an "as paid, as sold" basis.) Cost is still $100.00, plus mail costs. 1250 and 1000khz are standard- optional freqs are available, $15 extra. CC >From: "tubesareking" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite >Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 15:09:44 -0000 > >Chris - a few days ago you mentioned you had some Alfredo-Lite >boards. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Jun 20 10:25:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 20 Jun 2002 17:25:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 90371 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2002 17:25:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2002 17:25:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14203.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.145) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2002 17:25:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20020620172535.89072.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 10:25:35 PDT Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 10:25:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Chris, OldPhones, etc...Ford Radios To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio How can you tell which FORD radios are AM Stereo? Any particular date codes, mfgr, front labelling, etc? OT: I was also told that Ford made a MiniDisc player for their Mustangs and a prototype DAT player for the Lincolns, but never put it into production! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From philipr@irac.pe.ca Thu Jun 20 10:59:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 20 Jun 2002 17:59:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 23833 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2002 17:59:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2002 17:59:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2002 17:59:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2002 17:59:30 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 17:59:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1237 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Chris, just out of curiosity - any idea as to the rf power output of the Alfredo Lite? I've emailed you with my address to calculate shipping, as I wish to order an Alfredo Lite. Looks like their will be an AM Stereo station going on the air in PEI this summmer! :) Thanks Phil --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Chris Cuff" wrote: > I have 10 Lites available- I am only offering them completely assembled, as > there is too much room for error in assembly, plus the cost would actually > be more if you had to go out and find the IC's and such. > (These are "basically assembled'- I still need a few days for final assembly > and burn in- I finish them on an "as paid, as sold" basis.) > Cost is still $100.00, plus mail costs. 1250 and 1000khz are standard- > optional freqs are available, $15 extra. > CC > > > >From: "tubesareking" > >Reply-To: amstereoforum@y... > >To: amstereoforum@y... > >Subject: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite > >Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 15:09:44 -0000 > > > >Chris - a few days ago you mentioned you had some Alfredo-Lite > >boards. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From matthew.trim@eds.com Thu Jun 20 16:47:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 20 Jun 2002 23:47:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 95444 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2002 23:47:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2002 23:47:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns5.eds.com) (203.17.185.230) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2002 23:47:16 -0000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com (nnsy-3.eds.com [192.168.1.1]) by ns5.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g5KNlFG22285 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 09:47:15 +1000 (EST) Received: from nnsy.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5KNlDW01758 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 09:47:14 +1000 (EST) Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5KNlCA01744 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 09:47:12 +1000 (EST) Received: by AUSYM000 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 09:46:58 +1000 Message-ID: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542803F5300C@AUSYM200> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Confirmed: 4AK permanently no longer in stereo :( Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 09:46:58 +1000 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Hi, I have bad news - I faxed the Engineer at Radio 4AK last night and he just rang me back today. Nice bloke but unfortunately told me that due to massive interference problems they were facing they have started to run 125% modulation to try and increase their signal levels. He said they had to kill the AMS exciter as it can't handle these levels / causes problems with the pilot signal being distorted? They have a 2kw non-directional antenna. They are using an original Motorola Exciter and Modulation Monitor. I explained to him that I believed it could be safely done and that many stations in the US are over modulating in AM stereo successfully and I could get some info for him but he said that the decision was taken out of his hands and is across the whole company network (Caralis I'm assuming) I'm going to send him up an Audio CD of 4AK at its best when I airchecked them earlier this year. I might also make one he can send to his head office. I regret that I didn't record more of the station when I did but I guess we're lucky having something at all. He told me he had a Phillips AMS radio in his old Toyota Camry from the late 80's and the sound was pretty good (for a factory radio). He agreed with me that Wideband AM radios have an excellent sound and it's a shame they are so hard to come by now (except for a SR III) The interference problem he said was so bad that in their quality off air monitor (which has a shielded loop antenna!) at certain times in the morning they are getting a buzzing noise that comes and goes all by itself.. lasts for a few hours. Sounds like some industrial equipment or something operating. The studio is in Toowoomba, about 20 km from the TX near Oakey. He said digital will be the next big thing - in Australia this means Eureka I believe... hopefully this will give small stations like this a chance to compete with the big boys but somehow I really doubt it. Cheers, Matt From KC4QLP@aol.com Thu Jun 20 18:05:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 21 Jun 2002 01:05:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 49969 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2002 01:05:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2002 01:05:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.7) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2002 01:05:38 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.89.19a9b035 (1324) for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 21:05:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <89.19a9b035.2a43d5d9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 21:05:29 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Confirmed: 4AK permanently no longer in stereo :( To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 6/20/02 7:48:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, matthew.trim@eds.com writes: << Nice bloke but unfortunately told me that due to massive interference problems they were facing they have started to run 125% modulation to try and increase their signal levels. He said they had to kill the AMS exciter as it can't handle these levels / causes problems with the pilot signal being distorted? They have a 2kw non-directional antenna. >> There should be no need to turn off the exciter just because of operating with modulation levels of 125%. I run that here all the time.With the audio properly processed,the stereo separation should fair ok and with the higher modulation levels,it has no effect on radios being able to lock on to the pilot and maintain the lock.If anything it should help those close to the fringe areas get the station in stereo a little easier. If he has any questions...have him call me at the number below. 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There may be others, but I know those are. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnny Electron" > How can you tell which FORD radios are AM Stereo? Any particular > date codes, mfgr, front labelling, etc? From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Jun 20 21:26:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 21 Jun 2002 04:26:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 4886 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2002 04:26:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2002 04:26:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2002 04:26:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20020621042652.48132.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.190] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 21:26:52 PDT Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 21:26:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Did one of us win this? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Did any of our group win this AM stereo receiver? Sony STR-AV470 Stereo AM&FM Receiver (Item # 1360925833) I hope so! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jun 20 22:21:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 21 Jun 2002 05:21:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 29755 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2002 05:21:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2002 05:21:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2002 05:21:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2002 05:21:35 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 05:21:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Confirmed: 4AK permanently no longer in stereo :( Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <89.19a9b035.2a43d5d9@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1283 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.83.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > modulation levels of 125%. I run that here all the time. With the > audio properly processed, the stereo separation should fair ok and > with the higher modulation levels, it has no effect on radios being > able to lock on to the pilot and maintain the lock. AM Stereo is perfectly capable of being transmitted with full +125% modulation. The newer exciters are better at handling this level with low distortion and wide high-frequency Stereo separation -- in fact, Harris rates their equipment for up to 150% modulation -- but even an original Motorola C-Quam exciter should be fine. It is really the audio processing that makes the most difference. A station that runs only 100% modulation can actually sound louder than a station that uses 125% modulation, if they have better audio processing. Think of your CD collection. Due to the nature of digital audio, the maximum "modulation" level on a CD is fixed and cannot be exceeded. So if you have some CDs that are louder than others when you play them, it's not because they are running "higher modulation" -- it's because they were recorded with more aggressive audio processing that is approaching the maximum level more often. (So that's why "Rage Against The Machine" sounds louder than Oleta Adams.) From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jun 20 22:26:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 21 Jun 2002 05:26:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 64659 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2002 05:26:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2002 05:26:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2002 05:26:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2002 05:26:10 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 05:26:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Confirmed: 4AK permanently no longer in stereo :( Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <89.19a9b035.2a43d5d9@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 649 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.83.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I knew I forgot something from my first reply... if this "interference" 4AK is experiencing is electrical in nature, they should contact the power company. I don't know about Down Under, but in the USA, power companies have a responsibility to fix electrical lines that are causing lots of AM radio interference. It is in their own best interest anyway, because that crackling and buzzing you hear on AM is also a loss of power efficiency in the system, usually due to insulators that aren't doing their job because they're dirty (hence a strong rain often helps to reduce power line noise) or just plain old and in need of replacement. From matthew.trim@eds.com Thu Jun 20 23:34:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 21 Jun 2002 06:34:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 5889 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2002 06:34:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2002 06:34:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns5.eds.com) (203.17.185.230) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2002 06:33:55 -0000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com (nnsy-3.eds.com [192.168.1.1]) by ns5.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g5L6XrG03748 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 16:33:53 +1000 (EST) Received: from nnsy.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5L6XnW09660 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 16:33:49 +1000 (EST) Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5L6XkA09619 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 16:33:46 +1000 (EST) Received: by AUSYM000 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 16:31:11 +1000 Message-ID: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542803F53010@AUSYM200> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Confirmed: 4AK permanently no longer in stereo :( Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 16:31:09 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Yeah I agree with you 100% about the processing. They are running an 8100 I believe at 4AK.. probably could get some more loudness by upgrading to an Omnia 3AM but it's probably cheaper for them just to shutoff the stereo exciter and pump up the positive modulation. :( I think that in the Manual for the Motorola Exciter and/or TX manuals there must be a reference not to exceed 100/110 positive modulation in AM Stereo. Almost every engineer seems to be perpetuating this myth about AMS not working at higher modulation levels. There has to be a logical explanation! Would it not just be the case that the Motorola modulation monitor can not handle these levels perhaps? Most AM stations are fighting so much more interference these days than ever before and it's no wonder engineering staff feel that using 125% positive modulation may help even a tiny bit. Something interesting I noticed - in the office building I work in most stations are inaudible through the incredible interference/noise from computers, fluorescent lighting etc. 693AM is almost unlistenable, however 612AM is excellent!!! With wideband enabled on my Sony ST-JX220A there is almost no background noise and although they aren't in AMS the sound quality is FM like! What's the difference you may ask? 612 is a 50kw station run by our ABC national broadcaster. All other commercial AM stations in Australia are 5kw or less (4AK is 2kw) Now I've seen a lot of mention on this list about AM 'powerhouses' and 'booming' signals. You seem to have many 50kw commercial radio stations whereas we have none in Australia. This has to explain why we are having a lot more trouble hearing good AM radio in Oz - especially when our continent is physically almost as large as the US. What makes a 50kw signal come through so much clearer than a 5kw, even though the TX is the same distance away? Is this something to do with the higher power increasing the signal to noise ratio? Maybe I should take a radio engineering course! :) -----Original Message----- From: kevtronics [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, 21 June 2002 3:22 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Confirmed: 4AK permanently no longer in stereo :( > modulation levels of 125%. I run that here all the time. With the > audio properly processed, the stereo separation should fair ok and > with the higher modulation levels, it has no effect on radios being > able to lock on to the pilot and maintain the lock. AM Stereo is perfectly capable of being transmitted with full +125% modulation. The newer exciters are better at handling this level with low distortion and wide high-frequency Stereo separation -- in fact, Harris rates their equipment for up to 150% modulation -- but even an original Motorola C-Quam exciter should be fine. It is really the audio processing that makes the most difference. A station that runs only 100% modulation can actually sound louder than a station that uses 125% modulation, if they have better audio processing. Think of your CD collection. Due to the nature of digital audio, the maximum "modulation" level on a CD is fixed and cannot be exceeded. So if you have some CDs that are louder than others when you play them, it's not because they are running "higher modulation" -- it's because they were recorded with more aggressive audio processing that is approaching the maximum level more often. (So that's why "Rage Against The Machine" sounds louder than Oleta Adams.) Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jun 21 00:50:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 21 Jun 2002 07:50:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 43520 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2002 07:50:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2002 07:50:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2002 07:50:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2002 07:50:57 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 07:50:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: NY Daily News article Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5038 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.83.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics This is not necessarily AM Stereo related, since WKMB is not a Stereo station... not yet, anyway! They are now the only station in the NYC area playing country music, and as the article says, they are looking to upgrade their signal (from its current "peanut whistle" 250-watt non-directional status).... so perhaps with a little help from us, they can upgrade to AM Stereo at the same time? I also recently heard from somebody who got a tour of WKMB's facilities.... they use a Harris transmitter, and a *home-made* audio processor -- the station's founder's son Ron Michaels built it, with a LED level meter and a single unmarked knob on the control panel, and they call it the "Rontimod". It is combined with a Gates Statesman limiter to provide a very punchy on-air sound. WKMB uses three consumer-grade CD players, three cart machines, one QRK turntable, and an ElectroVoice microphone, all fed into a Harris Medalist audio board (not sure if it is mono or Stereo). Their STL is a Telco line to the transmitter shack down the road which also houses the final processor box to provide NRSC 10 kHz filtering and a large amount of pre-emphasis (definitely more than the recommended 75 uS standard). All of this gives them a very unique sound, both from their audio and from the type of music they play. Country Radio: 'KMB Is Twangin' On ================================== By David Hinckey Daily News Feature Writer June 20, 2002 Bob Hunt slips on his headphones, leans forward into his radio mike, adjusts a couple of dials and cues up an Emmylou Harris song. Looking over Hunt's shoulder from the wall behind are Hank Williams and Merle Haggard. On the floor, stacked against the wall, are maybe 50 vinyl albums, their covers reinforced at the seams with masking tape. A little farther back, between the Eddy Arnold LP and Hank's picture, is a bin of 45s. Emmylou sings and Hunt, who by 11 a.m. has been on the air for five hours, takes another sip of coffee. Welcome to WKMB, Stirling, N.J., 1070 AM, "The Greatest Little Country Music Station This Side of Texas" and, for the moment, the last remaining country station in the New York metropolitan area. Country music has had a long and, in recent years, tenuous history on New York radio. The last FM station that reached the whole market, WYNY, drew well over a million listeners a week, but in February 1996 its owners changed the name to WKTU and the format to rhythmic Top 40 because they wanted something more glamorous. A new country-music WYNY soon appeared, but it didn't reach the whole market, and this spring it switched to Hispanic. Several suburban stations also flipped, leaving 'KMB. Nestled on the second floor of a professional building in an affluent suburb some 30 miles southwest of the city, WKMB could have been plunked down by a time machine out of the '50s. In an age when radio stations increasingly look like IBM laboratories, with walls of silent, pulsating digital meters, WKMB looks the way stations used to look. "I know the high-tech equipment does a great job," says Hunt, "but I like having the constituent elements in front of me where I can see them." Hunt is the most recognizable voice on WKMB, where he's been playing the music for 20-plus years while doing radio gigs in New York and remaining active in radio theater. WKMB was founded in 1972 by Herb Michaels. It's a daytime-only station with a modest 250 watts, reaching east to Staten Island, west to Long Valley, and south to Princeton. The station went country in 1979. Herb Michaels died in February of this year, leaving the operation to his son Bill. "Right now we're delighted to have the field to ourselves, of course," says Bill Michaels. "It gives us more listeners and opens advertiser opportunities." But from the start, WKMB has also been an alternative. "There's usually been a bigger guy around," says Michaels, "so we need to give people a reason to listen to us." That reason is the music. Where contemporary country stations tend to focus almost entirely on current hits, WKMB uses a three-step rotation system. The first record is a current hit. The second is a hit from the '90s. The third is a classic, perhaps going all the way back to Hank Williams or Patsy Cline. WKMB has developed a loyal audience with that approach -- probably in the tens of thousands -- and Michaels would love to expand the reach of his signal. That would be tricky, but it could happen, he says, and so could Internet streaming. For now, Michaels wants to use this window of exclusivity to get the station better-known, among both country fans and potential advertisers. "There are still misconceptions about the country-music audience," he says. "Some ad buyers still have an image of the redneck in the pickup truck, which at least around here isn't the case. But it's getting better." The real fear of country listeners, of course, is that their music will disappear. Again. "No," says Michaels. "We plan to stay around." From dav259@csiro.au Fri Jun 21 01:27:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 21 Jun 2002 08:27:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 54274 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2002 08:27:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2002 08:27:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2002 08:26:04 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA22354 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 18:26:02 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 18:26:02 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Confirmed: 4AK permanently no longer in stereo :( In-Reply-To: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542803F53010@AUSYM200> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, Trim, Matthew L wrote: > Something interesting I noticed - in the office building I work in most > stations are inaudible through the incredible interference/noise from > computers, fluorescent lighting etc. > 693AM is almost unlistenable, however 612AM is excellent!!! With wideband > enabled on my Sony ST-JX220A there is almost no background noise and > although they aren't in AMS the sound quality is FM like! Matt - I listen to Melbourne's 693 nearly every day in a two story building in the suburbs. I listen on a A$50 Radio Shack tranny - and must admit I have the tone control set to low to minimise interference. I play it through a large extension speaker and the quality is pretty good. It's right besides my PC and underneath fluorescent lighting. It sounds just as good as our 50K ABC powerhouse 774 3LO. I think the reason may be that Magic really is proud of its signal and its programming. A few years ago on the southern end of Gold Coast - 70? miles from Brisbane you could pick up 612 4QR and 693 4KQ clearly in stereo. Yet 882 4BH's signal was weak - but still in stereo. I always perceived that the higher the frequency the less the signal travels - which may be the reason all ABC stations are at the lower end of the dial. Those were the good old days when 972 2MW Murwillumbah, northern NSW also boomed in in stereo. In the mid 90s when my second SR66 was on its last legs I actually contacted 2MW as they had an advertisement in the lift where I was staying and had AM-stereo in its logo. I wanted to know where I could get a radio to hear it in stereo. They couldn't help. Thankfully through a computer search KOFI in Montana was the station to help me out - and I have been listening to SRF-42s ever since. Thanks to Alex, Kevin R, Donn, and Kitt. If only we could attract more people to our cause. They really don't know what they're missing - and for the most part that's why they don't seem to care. Matt - can you find an e-mail address for someone at 4AK? They certainly don't have one listed on aussie.com.au. Maybe several of us could send them a few lines. Ian Melbourne From jwelton@nautel.com Fri Jun 21 06:41:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 21 Jun 2002 13:41:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 45788 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2002 13:41:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2002 13:41:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserver.nautel.com) (24.222.4.134) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2002 13:41:26 -0000 Received: FROM jeff-welton BY mailserver.nautel.com ; Fri Jun 21 10:42:40 2002 -0300 To: "Trim, Matthew L" , amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:40:40 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Confirmed: 4AK permanently no longer in stereo :( Message-ID: <3D1302A9.11938.81D49C@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542803F53010@AUSYM200> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body From: "Jeff Welton" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 > What's the difference you may ask? 612 is a 50kw station run by our ABC > national broadcaster. All other commercial AM stations in Australia are 5kw or > less (4AK is 2kw) Now I've seen a lot of mention on this list about AM > 'powerhouses' and 'booming' signals. You seem to have many 50kw commercial > radio stations whereas we have none in Australia. This intrigued me, so I did some checking on our customers 'Down Under'. I was surprised to find you are apparently quite right! Of the nine 50kW systems we have in Aussie, all are at ABC stations. We do have several 10kW systems, but I suspect most are also either ABC or are being run at 5kW. The only one that stands out is 4BC, Brisbane (1116 kHz), which, with combined XL12's is capable of 25kW. Their website identifies a talk format, but it's also interesting to note that they insisted on AMS exciters in their systems, and asked some setup questions on it at the time of installation. 4BC has an interesting history as well, the website is well worth a read: http://www.4bc.com.au Regards, Jeff Welton Nautel Customer Service Dept. Tel.: 1-902-823-3900 ext. 127 Fax: 1-902-823-3183 email: jwelton@nautel.com From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Fri Jun 21 15:01:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 21 Jun 2002 22:01:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 76691 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2002 22:01:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2002 22:01:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf01bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.141) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2002 22:01:51 -0000 Received: from juan ([67.35.8.207]) by imf01bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020621220319.YPDL21080.imf01bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 18:03:19 -0400 Message-ID: <002d01c2196f$3fb3afc0$cf082343@juan> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Very OT: Beach RADIO Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 18:01:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane DXing here on the beach is cool too. The 630 am in Savanah comes in great, as a matter of fact, when WTTB was off the air a few hours, I went to the water and heard a station in Brunswick, Georgia coming in very strong. Being about 3 miles from the beach, I can hear a sports station on Hilton Head on 1130, If I go about 5 more miles inland, I hear WWBF in Bartow (weak but there) I wish I had more time for listening. When I worked at WINX in Washington, one of our listeners had done an AM bandscan from Bermuda, but he never got around to sending it to me. I do remember he heard WCBS in the middle of the day. Pretty neat ! Juan G > With all this talk of Beach Music and the Carolinas, it should be > pointed out that the coast of North Carolina has the absolute best > daytime AM reception of anywhere along the eastern USA. Because of > the way groundwaves carry for extremely long distances over salt > water, and because of the way NC juts out from the eastern coast, > listeners along the shore in this area can hear *daytime* *groundwave* > (or should I say "oceanwave" ) AM signals all the way > from Florida through Rhode Island!! > > Here are a few reports from other radio message boards: > > > > > > > The Outer Banks of NC being a treasure trove of daytime AM signals > that include, in addtion to the standard 50kw New York fare: WPRO in > Providence RI (a little spotty), WMID Atlantic City NJ, WCMC Cape May > NJ, plus Long Island offerings such as WHLI. There was once a great > little Top 40 in Morehead City NC, named WMBL, that was like a mini > WABC with Pams jingles, reverb and even a jock named Bobaloo. At 740 > with 1,000 watts over water they could be heard from Hatteras NC to > Savannah GA! > < < < < > > > > > > > On the same subject....In 1990, I bought the Superadio II just down > the road from Hatteres in Wilmington, NC. The test came at my aunt and > uncle's house. They live on the Intercoastal Waterway just north of > Wilmington. It was just after lunch and the first station to catch my > attention was at 560 khz. It was oldies music and as the song ended I > heard the ID. It was WQAM Miami (they were oldies circa 1990). I > almost dropped the radio. I grabbed my Realistic DX-440 and tried 560 > on that radio. I could barely make out what was very listenable on the > Superadio II. That's why the Superadio II is my favorite radio of all > time. From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Jun 21 15:25:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 21 Jun 2002 22:25:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 68842 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2002 22:25:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2002 22:25:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2002 22:25:01 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-105.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.105]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g5LMMdVR029099 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 17:22:40 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003001c21972$fedda560$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542803F53010@AUSYM200> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Confirmed: 4AK permanently no longer in stereo :( Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 17:28:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I would hope that a 50kW signal would come in stronger than a 5kW signal the same distance away, being 10x the power. That having been said, I've got the two loudest talk stations on the dial here, beating out our 50kW competitors by using more aggressive processing. I wonder what 4AK is using? Anyhoo, the main reason for not using asymetrical modulation is an increase in distortion, but with any care it shouldn't be objectionable. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trim, Matthew L" > What makes a 50kw signal come through so much clearer than a 5kw, even > though the TX is the same distance away? Is this something to do with the > higher power increasing the signal to noise ratio? From dav259@csiro.au Fri Jun 21 17:02:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 22 Jun 2002 00:02:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 22952 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2002 00:02:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2002 00:02:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2002 23:59:54 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24276; Sat, 22 Jun 2002 09:59:52 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 09:59:52 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Cc: "Trim, Matthew L" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Confirmed: 4AK permanently no longer in stereo :( In-Reply-To: <3D1302A9.11938.81D49C@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, Jeff Welton wrote: > This intrigued me, so I did some checking on our customers 'Down Under'. I was > surprised to find you are apparently quite right! Of the nine 50kW systems we > have in Aussie, all are at ABC stations. We do have several 10kW systems, but > I suspect most are also either ABC or are being run at 5kW. The only one that > stands out is 4BC, Brisbane (1116 kHz), which, with combined XL12's is capable > of 25kW. Their website identifies a talk format, but it's also interesting to > note that they insisted on AMS exciters in their systems, and asked some setup > questions on it at the time of installation. 4BC has an interesting history as > well, the website is well worth a read: http://www.4bc.com.au Jeff - when talking to Peter Speardon - the engineer at 3AK/3MP a couple of months back he said some commercial stations have applied to the ABA to increase their power from 5K to 10K or more during the day. He expected a favourable response sometime in the latter half of this year. I can't see why they shouldn't be allowed to considering how many 50K stations are in the US - from the table I got from the ABA site - we have only 14 here and they're very well spread. From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Jun 21 17:12:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 22 Jun 2002 00:12:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 79074 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2002 00:12:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2002 00:12:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2002 00:12:32 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn54.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.58]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 18:12:32 -0600 To: Subject: FW: [ ABDX ] New QSL Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 18:12:30 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Griffith, N0NNK / WPE9HVW [mailto:AM-DXer@webtv.net] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 5:52 PM To: ABDX@topica.com Subject: [ ABDX ] New QSL I received a very nice QSL letter from KRJO/1680 in Monroe, LA today. I thought it noteworthy that the QSL mentions that they broadcast in stereo. It also mentions that the studio is analog stereo and the STL is digital. Patrick Griffith, Westminster, CO, USA http://community.webtv.net/N0NNK/ http://community.webtv.net/AM-DXer/ ======================== American Broadcast DXers Greatest DX on earth! ======================== ==^================================================================ This email was sent to: michaelj@vcn.com EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?bUrKzU.bVYL1R Or send an email to: ABDX-unsubscribe@topica.com T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^================================================================ From fanfare@globility.com Fri Jun 21 17:19:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 22 Jun 2002 00:19:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 22192 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2002 00:19:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2002 00:19:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2002 00:19:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2002 00:19:20 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 00:19:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FCC comments on IBOC-Filed mine! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3601 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amfmguy" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.234.125 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy I think there is something else that needs to be said about AM-IBOC, Michael, which is that it does not provide a stereo signal. So, no matter what the outcome, AMS is dead. Or is it? Another thing about IBOC is, as you know, that gradual attenuation of the signal is not a function of digital modulation. The carrier might be out there, but the music in any form (noisy or otherwise)may not be. Think of those out there who've welcomed even a noisy signaljust so they can have contact with the world around them. With IBOC they'll have nothing. However, there is a glimmer of hope on the horizon, one that will provide even better, analog AM signal coverage, and it will have AMS. I have samples of what I am talking about. Surprisingly, I didn't see any comments from anyone in this group, other than Kevin, following the publication of Chris Cuff's comments on hearing the KABL soundbites. Even if you are skeptical of what Chris said about our AMS tuner, your presence here tells me you are genuinely concerned about losing AMS. Yet, when someone puts their money where their mouth is to provide a means to bring AMS back, bigger and better, there's nary a peep from any of you. To clarify, the tuner in which the circuit the samples are from is slated for release early in 2003. Our FTA-100 with standard AMAX AMS is on the market now. Let's hear your feelings. Otherwise you will quite likely get left out of what might be the most important revelations to benefit AM radio reception since the crystal set. I promise we will not try to solicit your business. All I want is your support for the initiative being raised here. And that is to get the AMS pilots turned back so we can bring a better quality AMS into everyone's car and home. Marv --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Just submitted mine. I guess I got a little lengthy, but I don't care. > When I submitted my comments I had not read any of the others. I found it > interesting after I started reading other people's comments after I > submitted mine. > Looks like a lot of folks feel the same way that I do. That the 10khz audio > that ALL am stations are currently transmitting sounds wonderful already. > It's the receivers that make it sound bad and turned people off of it. > There will have to be new receivers manufactured to receive the FM > IBOC.....so why not on all these new receivers just mandate AMAX specs and > C-Quam stereo for the AM side. People really WILL be pleasently surprised > and I guarantee ya everyone out there is gonna think that the FCC did > something to improve AM when in fact they didn't.....they're still hearing > the same old audio that's always been transmitted.....they're just hearing > it loud and CLEAR now at 7.5khz bandwidth. I really think THAT is the > solution to saving AM. Just make radios that hear it the way it's being > transmitted. Mandate AMAX so that you can have some noise-blanking to get > rid of the annoying static and filter out that 10Khz whistle that annoys so > many people and "hurts their ears" at night. Period. THAT'S all ya need > to save AM. IBOC will NOT work. I'm NOT going to listen to something I can > only hear during the day. I'm NOT going to listen to something that's going > to sound like a "RealPlayer" that keeps cutting out, skipping, and choking > because it's losing packets when I'm driving around and getting further away > from the signal. > > Amen > > Michael n WYO > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jun 21 18:15:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 22 Jun 2002 01:15:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 75605 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2002 01:15:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2002 01:15:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2002 01:15:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2002 01:15:09 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 01:15:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FCC comments on IBOC-Filed mine! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2793 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.75.24 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I think there is something else that needs to be said about AM-IBOC, > Michael, which is that it does not provide a stereo signal. So, no > matter what the outcome, AMS is dead. Or is it? In its current form, IBOC DAB on the AM band consists of a 24 kbps "core" Mono signal plus a 12 kbps Stereo "enhancement". The way I understand it, you will only hear the Stereo when the full 30 kHz RF bandwidth of the IBOC signal is capable of being received clearly. When there are adjacent channel signals stomping on this extra bandwidth, or the signal strength drops below a certain level, you will only hear the Mono audio... even if analog AM Stereo in these exact same signal conditions would provide perfectly clear, full-response and full-separation AMAX Stereo sound. > I have samples of what I am talking about. Surprisingly, I didn't > see any comments from anyone in this group, other than Kevin, > following the publication of Chris Cuff's comments on hearing the > KABL soundbites. I'm sure I would be equally impressed by it, but I haven't had a chance to hear your KABL recording yet. If you have a chance, please e-mail it to me at: kevtronics@yahoo.com I do have other recordings of 960 KABL that I made myself when visiting the San Francisco area a few summers ago and I was very impressed by their sound quality. They had something special about their audio which made it sound more clear, distinct, and precise than average -- I suspect they have their equipment carefully tuned to provide wide high-frequency (treble) Stereo separation. Combined with a good AMAX-type Stereo tuner, the results are fantastic, even within the standard 10 kHz NRSC audio bandwidth. > Yet, when someone puts their money where their mouth is to provide a > means to bring AMS back, bigger and better, there's nary a peep from > any of you. I have absolutely no doubt the Fanfare AMAX tuner is a fine piece of equipment and well worth its price, but the fact is, it's outside the range of what most of us here can afford. But that does not diminish our enthusiasm for it at all. Your product just shows how flexible AM Stereo really is. You can add an AM Stereo decoder to a $5 transistor radio and get surprisingly good results, and the Sony SRF-42 has introduced thousands of people to AM Stereo at a common list price of $29.99. Then we have the "Rolls Royce" tuners like those from Carver, Denon, and now Fanfare, which offer the absolute best performance and sound quality. This variety is something that digital systems like XM, Sirius, Eureka-147 DAB, and IBOC DAB cannot do -- they still have a very long way to go before any of these systems can be incorporated into a $30 Walkman than runs on 2 AA batteries and fits in the palm of your hand! From KC4QLP@aol.com Fri Jun 21 21:54:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 22 Jun 2002 04:54:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 36763 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2002 04:54:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2002 04:54:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.34) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2002 04:54:18 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.81.1d5f4ea2 (3312) for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2002 00:54:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <81.1d5f4ea2.2a455cf2@aol.com> Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 00:54:10 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FCC comments on IBOC-Filed mine! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp << In its current form, IBOC DAB on the AM band consists of a 24 kbps "core" Mono signal plus a 12 kbps Stereo "enhancement". The way I understand it, you will only hear the Stereo when the full 30 kHz RF bandwidth of the IBOC signal is capable of being received clearly. When there are adjacent channel signals stomping on this extra bandwidth, or the signal strength drops below a certain level, you will only hear the Mono audio... even if analog AM Stereo in these exact same signal conditions would provide perfectly clear, full-response and full-separation AMAX Stereo sound. >> With that being the case....then the current analog system works best. I've carried stations outto the 35 microvolt level and still had the station coming in stereo with a station on an adjacent channel coming in at 100mv! That will never happen with IBOC.....heck stations will never be heard at such low signal strenghts regularly if IBOC comes to play. > Yet, when someone puts their money where their mouth is to provide a > means to bring AMS back, bigger and better, there's nary a peep from > any of you. I have absolutely no doubt the Fanfare AMAX tuner is a fine piece of equipment and well worth its price, but the fact is, it's outside the range of what most of us here can afford. But that does not diminish our enthusiasm for it at all. Your product just shows how flexible AM Stereo really is. You can add an AM Stereo decoder to a $5 transistor radio and get surprisingly good results, and the Sony SRF-42 has introduced thousands of people to AM Stereo at a common list price of $29.99. Then we have the "Rolls Royce" tuners like those from Carver, Denon, and now Fanfare, which offer the absolute best performance and sound quality.>> Not only do people care about quality...they care about price in this day and time.Since 9/11/01..the economy, job security and national security have been on the front burners...something that is very hard to compete with right now. 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Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <81.1d5f4ea2.2a455cf2@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 525 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.75.24 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I've carried stations outto the 35 microvolt level and still had the > station coming in stereo with a station on an adjacent channel > coming in at 100mv! In addition to the adjacent channel interference problems, IBOC DAB is said to have trouble with stations using a directional signal... directional antenna arrays tend to have a more limited bandwidth, which is no good with the 30 kHz RF bandwidth that IBOC requires, and there are also phasing issues that could degrade the performance of the digital signal. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sat Jun 22 00:31:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 22 Jun 2002 07:31:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 21262 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2002 07:31:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2002 07:31:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2002 07:31:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2002 07:31:00 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 07:31:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FCC comments on IBOC-Filed mine! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1117 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.58 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > > I've carried stations outto the 35 microvolt level and still had the > > station coming in stereo with a station on an adjacent channel > > coming in at 100mv! > > In addition to the adjacent channel interference problems, IBOC DAB is > said to have trouble with stations using a directional signal... > directional antenna arrays tend to have a more limited bandwidth, > which is no good with the 30 kHz RF bandwidth that IBOC requires, and > there are also phasing issues that could degrade the performance of > the digital signal. AMS can suffer from the same antenna effects but from what I can tell the worst effect is loss of separation. I think IBOC uses QAM16 and if the phase is affected to any significant amount it results in data corruption and packet loss. If a station can't tweak their directional antenna for good phase response then they can forget about IBOC. At least with analog AMS you still will get a signal with some separation if the directional antenna can't be finely tweaked for a proper phase response. JSG From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Jun 22 10:29:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 22 Jun 2002 17:29:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 73151 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2002 17:29:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2002 17:29:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14201.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.143) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2002 17:29:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20020622172929.55051.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.190] by web14201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 22 Jun 2002 10:29:29 PDT Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 10:29:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: We 'outta' help out WKMB To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio WKMB sounds like the kind of radio stations that we all like. True Ma & Pa, play what folks wanna hear, no fancy automated BS where they can't even give you the accurate time or weather forecast, yet alone a traffic tie-up becuase of 'voicetracking'. I'd love to have an AMS exciter to give to the guy at WKMB for AMS audio as well. Speaking of voicetracking (the ClearChannelCorp deathknell of radio as we know it), who ever thought that the episode of "WKRP in Cincinnati" where Herb Tarlek is dreaming about a radio station in the distant future where the whole station is automated and there's only one person actually at the station would actually become a sad reality in less than 20 years. How ironic the show was set in Cincinnati, OH - the home of Jacor broadcasting and all it's evil Clear Channel brethern that have shut-off the AM Stereo on more stations than we care to remember. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Jun 22 10:31:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 22 Jun 2002 17:31:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 71452 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2002 17:31:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2002 17:31:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14208.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2002 17:31:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20020622173123.95332.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.190] by web14208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 22 Jun 2002 10:31:23 PDT Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 10:31:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RDS vs. AM Stereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio RDS is an underwhelming failure in Northern Ohio. Not one station uses it anymore. Three stations had it, and turned it off, including Clear Channel. Only Detroit stations use it. I consider it a failure. NOW - let's pester the Big 3 automakers to remove RDS and Re-Install AMS instead, saving money for them and giving better quality sound! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From amfmdx@fastq.com Sat Jun 22 12:05:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 22 Jun 2002 19:05:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 25553 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2002 19:05:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2002 19:05:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2002 19:05:26 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d156-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.188]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g5MJ5Pn30369 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2002 12:05:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <003201c21a1f$c3347ae0$bcf9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: Subject: WTOP to be off the air tonight. Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 12:05:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Q. George" To: Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 11:18 AM Subject: [WTFDA] Fwd: WTOP off the air on Saturday night... > Got this tid-bit of information from former WTFDA'er > Sam Brown (MD) regarding WTOP's downtime for tonight. > I realize that we deal mainly with FM and TV topics > but I would like to make the exception for this one. > Good luck! > > -Pete > > > > Because of scheduled electrical work WTOP 1500Kc is > > expecting to be off > > from about 21:00 Saturday until 05:00 on Sunday. > > This might open up some > > potentially interesting DX opportunities. > > > > ...Sam This message has been composed of recycled electrons. None of these electrons has been harmed or injured in the creation and transmission of this message but they have been shamelessly exploited for this use. From amfmdx@fastq.com Sat Jun 22 12:16:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 22 Jun 2002 19:16:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 15895 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2002 19:16:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2002 19:16:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2002 19:16:55 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d156-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.188]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g5MJGqn30500 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2002 12:16:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <004e01c21a21$5a2348e0$bcf9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: Subject: Clear Channel slinks to a new low.... Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 12:16:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla http://www.naplesnews.com/02/06/naples/d797306a.htm On-air radio hoax causes humiliation, prompts lawsuit Friday, June 21, 2002 By CHRIS W. COLBY, cwcolby@naplesnews.com Bruce Da Moose and his ruse may send his radio station's money vamoose. Just a week after the Fort Myers radio personality humiliated a Naples woman in an on-air prank, the target of the trick filed a lawsuit against the parent companies of the radio station, WBTT 105.5, and the disc jockey, identified only by his trade name Bruce Da Moose. The suit, filed Wednesday, seeks unspecified monetary damages. The woman, Adrienne Breidigan, said Thursday she is furious that the rap and R&B station, known as "The Beat Jamz," broadcasted her full name in a prank that told listeners she had been exposed to a sexually transmitted disease. She also said she was tricked into disclosing private, sexual information about herself. Breidigan, 20, was asleep with the flu around 6:45 p.m. June 12 when her cellular phone rang. A man gave a fictitious name in identifying himself as a Fort Myers doctor. He said he had been treating her ex-boyfriend, whom he identified using a first name and nickname. The man told Breidigan her ex-boyfriend had been diagnosed with an incurable sexually transmitted disease, and she might have been infected. She'd been with that ex-boyfriend until three months ago, she said. She cried when told she had been exposed to what she thought was a potentially life-threatening disease, which the caller refused to specify to her. As she reeled in shock and panic, the man began asking her questions about her sexual history. She answered, and it was only when the questions became graphic and impertinent that Breidigan suspected a hoax. "They were asking me all kinds of questions about my sex life, have I done this and have I done that. Then they said something like was (a particular sex act) any good, and I said what does that have to do with anything?" Breidigan said. She asked the man for his phone number. He gave her one and asked if she would come to his office. She said she would have to call him back before she would decide, and she began to hear laughter. Breidigan had been set up. After a brief conversation featuring a lot of cussing by Breidigan, she hung up. She turned on the radio and heard everything aired, almost word for word. The only part the station bleeped out was her swearing. "At first I was more relieved than anything that it was a joke. I laughed a little bit," Breidigan said. "But I'm a licensed bondsman and a private investigator. People know me. For people to know me and think I have an STD, that can hurt me. I have a good reputation here." Breidigan, a co-owner of Collier County Bail Bonds, said what the phony doctor alleged over the air isn't true. But she has received numerous calls from people who knew her and heard the hoax. One of those calls came from the ex-boyfriend's wife, who was listening to the broadcast. Worse, the prank had been set up by a friend of Breidigan, she said. She said the friend called the radio station and provided personal information about her, including her phone number, her ex-boyfriend's name and the fact that she was home sick with the flu. The friend was listening on the other line during the prank. But Breidigan said the friend didn't know the nature of the trick and believed the disc jockey wouldn't use anyone's name over the air. Breidigan filed the suit in Collier County Circuit Court, naming as defendants the disc jockey, identified as John Doe aka Bruce Da Moose, and Clear Channel Broadcasting Inc. and Clear Channel Communications Inc., the owners of WBTT. Representatives for the radio station and Clear Channel companies, which operate 511 radio and 19 television stations in the United States, were unavailable for comment Thursday. A Federal Communications Commission spokesman wouldn't comment on a specific case. The agency's Web site says a radio station must inform a person of the intention to broadcast or simulcast a telephone conversation before doing so. Breidigan said she was told it was a prank, then shortly afterward the station aired the conversation. She insists she was told the station wouldn't air her name and she didn't give permission. Breidigan realizes that some people might say she should have known better than to reveal personal information to someone she doesn't know over the phone. But she said she was upset, scared and caught off guard. She was also ill and asleep when she was rousted by the call. Also, the disc jockey had correct personal information about her, giving the call a layer of credibility. "I've never been put through something like that. I just think it was a normal person's reaction," Breidigan said. But even had she not answered questions, the most significant damage already was done, said Michael McDonnell, Breidigan's attorney. The disc jockey said her name and told her she had been exposed to a person with a sexually transmitted disease — before she would have hung up. McDonnell said the radio station will raise First Amendment issues in challenging the lawsuit. "I think that once you begin to say things that can seriously affect someone's reputation and their composure, you've gone beyond the protection of the First Amendment. You can't use the First Amendment to hurt someone," McDonnell said. "It's like the old saying, your right to swing your fist stops where my nose begins." This kind of prank undermines the effort to encourage confidential testing for sexually transmitted diseases, said Diane Longstreet, a spokeswoman for the Collier County Health Department. The department offers testing. When a person is diagnosed with an STD, either by a doctor or through the Health Department, he is encouraged to inform his past sexual partners so they can be tested. If he agrees, he divulges those names to the Health Department and is instructed to tell them to contact the department for information and testing. If any of those partners don't call, the Health Department contacts them, Longstreet said. A doctor would never contact the sexual partners. A doctor is required by law to inform the Health Department when a person is diagnosed with an STD, so the Health Department does the follow-up. But even if the person shares the names of sexual partners so they can be called, the Health Department won't tell them anything that could identify the person contracting the disease. And conversations about the disease and a person's risks and personal history aren't held over the phone, Longstreet said. The person is asked to come to the Health Department. "That scenario that happened on the radio call would never happen," Longstreet said. "That's the real damage behind this kind of thing. It damages trust." This message has been composed of recycled electrons. None of these electrons has been harmed or injured in the creation and transmission of this message but they have been shamelessly exploited for this use. From shelswartz@yahoo.com Sat Jun 22 13:11:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: shelswartz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 22 Jun 2002 20:11:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 16448 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2002 20:11:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2002 20:11:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14902.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.225.54) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2002 20:11:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20020622201154.54069.qmail@web14902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.86.171.227] by web14902.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 22 Jun 2002 13:11:54 PDT Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 13:11:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Confirmed: 4AK permanently no longer in stereo :( To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Shel Swartz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91652391 X-Yahoo-Profile: shelswartz Thanks for the wonderful 4BC link! I've been listening more than 2 hours now... what a wonderful, uplifting station! I hope the remainder of Australia's stations are half as fun and enjoyable. shel in "The States" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From fanfare@globility.com Sat Jun 22 14:41:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 22 Jun 2002 21:41:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 25449 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2002 21:41:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2002 21:41:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2002 21:41:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2002 21:41:14 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 21:41:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AMS - IBOC and the great beyond Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1757 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amfmguy" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.234.221 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy Many thanks guys for the response to my comments on the topic "FCC comments on IBOC-Filed mine" To clarify, I made the decision to build an AMS tuner long before I even knew about this group. However, having taken as long as we did in getting it to market did not help the cause. But, I wanted it done right the first time, without the grief that's usually atendant a rushed job. Cashflow is another consideration and priorities have to be enforced in order to keep the swamp from rising to high. The first rev. is good ... and with a decent AM antenna, very good! I wanted you to know that, but more importantly that our cause, yours and mine, is far from lost. As long as we have quality of product and the necessary determination, the public will not desert a good thing. The original demise of AMS was a pretty good teacher. So was FMX, which I was involved in during the 80's. I told you about a new reception system. One that could receive AMS from a much greater distance than ever before, with more reliability than ever before. Only this time, it will not be a fight between the two designs of the day and the most aggressive one winning. I will send the soundbites to Kevin and let him post them tomorrow. While you'll have to take my word they're real, at least it will give us all hope in that justice, if fair, will prevail. Finally, I'm glad you brought up the cost matter. I'm not here to sell tuners, just to show you our support for AMS and to enlist yours. One voice is one voice, but many ... well, that's something else. Out of all of this, I guarantee you, in due time, there will be a unit you can easily afford. And people who know me know I remember those who were there when it mattered. Cheers, Marv From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jun 22 17:16:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 23 Jun 2002 00:16:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 83017 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2002 00:16:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2002 00:16:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2002 00:16:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2002 00:16:57 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 00:16:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: DX test: KJFE 1500 AM STEREO Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003201c21a1f$c3347ae0$bcf9bed8@kredding430cdt> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1529 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.81.128 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics >> Because of scheduled electrical work WTOP 1500Kc is expecting to be off from about 21:00 Saturday until 05:00 on Sunday. This might open up some potentially interesting DX opportunities. << Okay... this finally encouraged to get my "Alfredo Lite" low-power AM Stereo station 1500 "KJFE" in Warren Township, NJ back on the air. As of 8:00 PM Eastern time, "KJFE" is on the air, simulcasting the audio of local FM station "Magic 98.3", mostly so I can get the maximum modulation level by making use of their pre-processed audio. The antenna is a simple vertical antenna of the typical "CB base station" size, but it is properly loaded for maximum coverage. I also have the crystal controlled frequency set to be within 2 Hz tolerance of WTOP's signal, and the audio is full 15 kHz FM-type bandwidth with pre-emphasis and the modulation level set just below the point where the distortion becomes objectionable -- hence probably somewhere around +125%, since I am "borrowing" the FM station's Optimod by rebroadcasting their audio. The RF output is standard "Alfredo Lite" level -- somewhere around 100 mW -- but I believe that with WTOP off the air tonight, there may be some chance for DX reception of my station! So if you are anywhere in skip range of a low power New Jersey signal tonight, tune in 1500 kHz and if you hear any hint of music playing in Stereo, that's my transmitter! "Magic 98.3", as heard on 1500 "KJFE", will be playing Oldies until midnight, and then Adult Contemporary afterwards. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jun 22 17:27:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 23 Jun 2002 00:27:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 56273 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2002 00:27:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2002 00:27:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2002 00:27:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2002 00:27:42 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 00:27:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AMS - IBOC and the great beyond Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 948 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.81.128 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Out of all of this, I guarantee you, in due time, there will be a > unit you can easily afford. And people who know me know I remember > those who were there when it mattered. Since lately we have been trying to convince the C.Crane Company to feature AM Stereo in their radios, it would be great if you could get in touch when them and perhaps give them a little demonstration of what your Fanfare AMAX tuner can do. As their comment to the FCC indicates, C.Crane is supportive of analog AM, and I'm sure they'll be impressed by the performance and sound quality of your tuner -- perhaps enough to add AMAX Stereo to the next version of their "CCRadio", which would be a great benefit to us all. The current "CCRadio Plus" model also has VHF Ch. 2-13 TV audio reception... so perhaps the "CCRadio Ultra" or whatever they call the next version can have *TV Stereo* as well as AM Stereo and FM Stereo! Kevin T. KJFE 1500 AM STEREO From dav259@csiro.au Sat Jun 22 17:38:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 23 Jun 2002 00:38:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 4411 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2002 00:38:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2002 00:38:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2002 00:38:44 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA26150 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 10:38:43 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 10:38:42 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Confirmed: 4AK permanently no longer in stereo :( In-Reply-To: <20020622201154.54069.qmail@web14902.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Sat, 22 Jun 2002, Shel Swartz wrote: > Thanks for the wonderful 4BC link! I've been > listening more than 2 hours now... what a wonderful, > uplifting station! I hope the remainder of > Australia's stations are half as fun and enjoyable. Shel Try http://www.3aw.com.au/main.shtml# - currently doing their two hour Sunday morning program where three personalities discuss the current issues of the last week - replaying some interviews - and taking talkback calls. Then at 22:00 US EST real true dinkum Aussie radio when it crosses to the footy with two hours of discussion before they even bounce the ball. Last week was a real hoot. They were broadcasting from a box at the only AFL ground left that isn't smoke free. At one stage someone's smoke started drifting into the broadcast box and the larger than life commentator started shouting abuse at the perpetrator and then started throwing chocolates at him and swearing on air at him. A huge swearing/shouting match ensued all while the footy was going on - and it's said that most people on 3AW's side of the ground ended up watching the broadcast box rather than the football. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Jun 22 23:23:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 23 Jun 2002 06:23:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 95645 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2002 06:23:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2002 06:23:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14205.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.151) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2002 06:23:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20020623062348.28442.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.190] by web14205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 22 Jun 2002 23:23:48 PDT Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 23:23:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: What did you mean? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio amfmguy/fanfare wrote: ..."Surprisingly, I didn't see any comments from anyone in this group, other than Kevin, following the publication of Chris Cuff's comments on hearing the KABL soundbites."... Over a dozen of us sent comments to the FCC website, is that what you're talking about? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Jun 23 01:58:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 23 Jun 2002 08:58:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 1013 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2002 08:58:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2002 08:58:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2002 08:58:30 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.39]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 04:57:30 -0400 Message-ID: <007101c21a94$3ac890e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <20020623062348.28442.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} What did you mean? Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 04:59:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Johnny- what Marv was talking about was when he sent me a file of actual am stereo reception on a Fanfare tuner a few weeks ago, the only person that expressed any interest was Kevin T. I had posted a remark about how it was the best recording of am stereo i had ever heard- bar none. This wasn't about the IBOC thing. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Johnny Electron To: Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 2:23 AM Subject: {AMSF} What did you mean? From jeffdeck@aol.com Sun Jun 23 04:06:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 23 Jun 2002 11:06:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 91545 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2002 11:06:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2002 11:06:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2002 11:06:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2002 11:06:14 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 11:06:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What did you mean? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007101c21a94$3ac890e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2816 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jeffdeck2001" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.198.47 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4430287 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 All, As I recall, a very large (~2.5MB) sound file was sent to Chris from Fanfare. Someone asked about sending it to the list, and Chris replied that it was too large for his Internet connection. Just because other list members did not comment, does not mean that they were not interested. With such a large file, you cannot send it as e-mail attachment to many people. This is why I had to cut Kit's "Hot 105" air check into five MP3 files (the original was 2.5MB and kept getting rejected when sent to his e-mail account). If you can cut this Fanfare file to several MP3 files (each under 500KB) and save to the files section of this list, then perhaps we all could have an opportunity listen to them (except for Kit, who would have to drive to his local library). Does this sound reasonable? You can search the archives for Fanfare, and find many posts. There was also discussion on lists run by Bryan and Dennis. These Yahoo archives are now closed. BTW, I am the "citizen from Novi, Michigan" for the iBiquity I-BOC comments. Johnny Electron's letter is in the current Radio World issue. FM RDS is being dropped in preparation for FM I-BOC services. I-BOC format will include station call letters and/or slogan. How close are the Arizona fires to Tucson? I had the opportunity to listen to WMJI yesterday morning from Cleveland, Ohio. They played oldies music, and a live disk jockey who was very, very enthusiastic and talked into each song's vocal track. This is not easy, and timing is critical. It was very refreshing to hear a live, local announcer on the air actually discuss local events, remotes, and talk into records (or CD now). WMJI is a CCC station! I am trying to find a manufacturer for my AM stereo tuner. I have a vested interest to launch this project. With work, home, wife, child, other hobbies, other work, other projects, time is a premium commodity. I will be on a long business trip starting tomorrow away from this list. 73, Jeff In a message dated 6/23/2002 4:59:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Chris writes: >Johnny- what Marv was talking about was when he sent me a file of >actual am stereo reception on a Fanfare tuner a few weeks ago, the >only person that expressed any interest was Kevin T. I had posted a >remark about how it was the best recording of am stereo i had ever >heard- bar none. >This wasn't about the IBOC thing. >CC In a message dated 6/23/2002 2:24:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Johnny writes: >amfmguy/fanfare wrote: ..."Surprisingly, I didn't see any comments >from anyone in this group, other than Kevin, following the >publication of Chris Cuff's comments on hearing the KABL >soundbites."... >Over a dozen of us sent comments to the FCC website, is that what >you're talking about? From oldphones@webtv.net Sun Jun 23 06:26:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 23 Jun 2002 13:26:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 46515 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2002 13:26:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2002 13:26:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-2001-2.public.lawson.webtv.net) (209.240.212.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2002 13:26:49 -0000 Received: from storefull-2114.public.lawson.webtv.net (lawson-public-ipmux-1-a2-pip.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.212.5]) by smtpout-2001-2.public.lawson.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id B6EE1BE80; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 06:26:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-2114.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id GAA23554; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 06:26:47 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAgH5hH8UCGus4UXmE8v1lFYUa0ioCFBnC5azfJbW0kET1cH9e61fP+TOx Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 08:26:47 -0500 (CDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: stodd@sherbtel.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 271 Ford Radios Message-ID: <22457-3D15CC97-40@storefull-2114.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 21 Jun 2002 17:33:57 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Yes, the B165 radios are usually AM Stereo These are the DIN size radio with premium sound, and connect to an amp. To a large extent, the AMS radios that ford offered are the premium version The Fxxx19 B165 is commonly found in older Taurus's pre 1995 , Mustangs, and Contours with Premium sound. Also newer Taurus (F8DF19B858FA, FB etc) and OVAL Escort (F8CF19B858FA,FB, etc..) PREMIUM radios have AMS. Look for Premium sound on the Cassette tape door. Some of the radios in Lincoln's like the B870's have AM Stereo, as well but I don't have a specific breakdown on these. At this point in time. I am unsure IF Ford is still putting AMS into current models. Some Models like the CD-6 may OR may not have AM Stereo. We have a SG-80 C_Quam generator at where I work, But we have a serious lack of AM Stereo stations in my area (Omaha, NE) So testing is difficult at best. Hope this info helps... Bill S. William P. Snyder Oldphones@ webtv. net (402) 593-6841 I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun Jun 23 06:56:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 23 Jun 2002 13:56:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 62490 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2002 13:56:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2002 13:56:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2002 13:56:44 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d20-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.52]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g5NDuhn40033 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 06:56:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <02d101c21abd$0d289620$bcf9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <20020623062348.28442.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> <007101c21a94$3ac890e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> Subject: Re: {AMSF} What did you mean? Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 06:51:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Johnny- what Marv was talking about was when he sent me a file of actual am > stereo reception on a Fanfare tuner a few weeks ago, the only person that > expressed any interest was Kevin T. I would like to hear this. I am very interested in it because I have followed all of this from the Fanfare site for a long time probably for three years. Where is the file? Kevin Mesa, Arizona From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Jun 23 07:13:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 23 Jun 2002 14:13:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 15938 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2002 14:13:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2002 14:13:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2002 14:13:11 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-76.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.76]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g5NEAjow001416 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 09:10:47 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004b01c21ac0$a18b5020$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <004e01c21a21$5a2348e0$bcf9bed8@kredding430cdt> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Clear Channel slinks to a new low.... Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 09:16:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Only 511??? Would that it were true. Wonder where they get their info? ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevin" > Representatives for the radio station and Clear Channel companies, which > operate 511 radio and 19 television stations in the United States, were > unavailable for comment Thursday. From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun Jun 23 07:14:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 23 Jun 2002 14:14:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 34049 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2002 14:14:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2002 14:14:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2002 14:14:22 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d20-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.52]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g5NEELn40226 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 07:14:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <02df01c21abf$7d614e80$bcf9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: AZ fire, DX, and KVWM AM stereo in jeopardy Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 07:08:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla >BTW, I am the "citizen from Novi, Michigan" for the iBiquity I-BOC >comments. I was wondering who that was.... >Johnny Electron's letter is in the current Radio World issue. Looks like we all are getting around and heard! >How close are the Arizona fires to Tucson? About 125 miles. Tucson is not in danger. There is much desert to cross to get to Tucson and cacti don't burn very well. The fire is in the White Mountains and the area is heavily forested. Although Tucson is not in Jeopardy, an AM stereo station, KVWM 970 in Show Low is. The towns of Pinedale, Linden, Heber, Overgaard all cease to exist, all are burned to the dirt. Show Low and Pinetop-Lakeside have been evacuated in the face of the fire. About 35,000 people have been evacuated from this fire. All the stations in the area are being remotely controlled from Holbrook, AZ and will broadcast until the fire downs the electric lines to the station or the buildings catch fire. All the stations are in emergency mode with full power 24/7 until they burn or the power is gone. The stations are B92 92.1 in Holbrook, KRFM 96.1 Show Low, 970 KVWM which is AM stereo and on air now. I hope the fire doesn't take an AM stereo station, and 1450 KVSL Show Low. At times, KDJI 1270 in Holbrook will link to these stations. There is intermittent prolonged coverage from 550 KFYI and 620 KTAR in Phoenix. This will be a good chance for DXers to hear Arizona with the high power night time comms *IF* the stations still have power or don't burn to the dirt like everything else has. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Jun 23 07:20:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 23 Jun 2002 14:20:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 39109 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2002 14:20:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2002 14:20:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2002 14:20:14 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-76.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.76]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g5NEHmow001940 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 09:17:49 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <005101c21ac1$9d5e2bc0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: What did you mean? Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 09:23:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Depending upon web traffic, downloads often occur at something around 2kbps. At 2.5MB, you might as well put it on a CD and I'll reimburse the costs. Hope you find a manufacturer for your radio, Jeff. What with a family and job, and possibly the worst commute of everyone on this list, I can really relate. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "jeffdeck2001" > All, > As I recall, a very large (~2.5MB) sound file was sent to Chris > from Fanfare. > I am trying to find a manufacturer for my AM stereo tuner. I have > a vested interest to launch this project. With work, home, wife, > child, other hobbies, other work, other projects, time is a premium > commodity. I will be on a long business trip starting tomorrow away > from this list. 73, Jeff From narkspud@hotmail.com Sun Jun 23 09:42:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 23 Jun 2002 16:42:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 34022 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2002 16:42:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2002 16:42:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2002 16:42:53 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 09:42:53 -0700 Received: from 67.224.21.128 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 16:42:53 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Road Trip - Fullerton to Yuma Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 09:42:53 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jun 2002 16:42:53.0473 (UTC) FILETIME=[050A9110:01C21AD5] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.224.21.128] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud Two weekends ago, I traveled from Fullerton (Orange County) CA to Yuma, AZ by way of San Diego, and took some AM Stereo gear along to check out the situation. (Durn Toyota and their stupid AM Mono factory radios.) Sorry to report that there was nary a sign of AM Stereo anywhere in San Diego. Both KURS 1040 and KSDO 1130 were transmitting in mono. Good sound quality, but mono nonetheless. However, I am pleased to report that 1430, El Centro, CA still had the music fired up in full AM Stereo. Their callsign is now KWST, and they play country. (amstereoradio.com has them down as KAMP, oldies). They sounded real good! There is an El Centro oldies station at 1230 AM, KXO, but they're mono. Twerps. There was also a Spanish station (no doubt from Mexico) booming in with pilot-only at AM 820 in the El Centro area. The pilot must've been really cranked, as it caused a noticeable "vibration" in the audio. Most unbecoming. Sigh. No stereo in Yuma. And all the Yuma stations sound muddy. Lotsa bass, not much high end. They all must have the same engineer. Whoever is in charge of the list on the website, please note that the pilot on KVNR Santa Ana is gone, and has been for some time. narkspud _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jun 23 11:09:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 23 Jun 2002 18:09:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 85761 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2002 18:09:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2002 18:09:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2002 18:09:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2002 18:09:24 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 18:09:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What did you mean? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005101c21ac1$9d5e2bc0$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1027 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.18 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Depending upon web traffic, downloads often occur at something > around 2kbps. > At 2.5MB, you might as well put it on a CD and I'll reimburse the > costs. 2.5 MB is not the end of the world! There have been AM Stereo MP3's more than twice this size, and many people still downloaded it with no trouble. If you are using a dial-up connection, you can try dialing in several times until you get a connection that gives you quick response to web pages, i.e. when it doesn't sit there saying "Waiting for reply..." for 10 seconds as you load a web site. This is when you'll get the fastest download (and upload) times. Also note that the highest connection speed on your modem doesn't necessarily indicate the *fastest* data transfer. The higher "56K" speeds can get a bit shakey if your phone line is not perfect and your computer will have to issue more requests to re-send data that got corrupted during transfer, hence slower overall access. Sometimes a good, solid 28.8 kbps connection is your best bet. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jun 23 11:18:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 23 Jun 2002 18:18:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 81589 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2002 18:18:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2002 18:18:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2002 18:18:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2002 18:18:16 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 18:18:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Road Trip - Fullerton to Yuma Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 412 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.18 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > There was also a Spanish station (no doubt from Mexico) booming in > with pilot-only at AM 820 in the El Centro area. The pilot must've > been really cranked, as it caused a noticeable "vibration" in the > audio. Most unbecoming. Sigh. This is in the list of Mexican AM Stereo stations: XEMVS - 820 AM STEREO Mexicali, BCN (Variety; Radio Lobo) Mexicali is just across the border from El Centro, CA. From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Jun 23 15:20:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 23 Jun 2002 22:20:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 57485 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2002 22:20:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2002 22:20:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.34) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2002 22:20:18 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.1a7.41b681a (4452) for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 18:20:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1a7.41b681a.2a47a39f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 18:20:15 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Very OT: Beach RADIO To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih When I lived in Woodstock, GA (25 miles NW of Atlanta), I could get WLS 890 in Chicago in BROAD DAYLIGHT. When I left the Atlanta area in 1992, WLS was still a daytime regular. Since I left the Atlanta area, a station has signed on 890 in Alabama. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sun Jun 23 19:06:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 24 Jun 2002 02:06:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 19988 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2002 02:06:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2002 02:06:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf22bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2002 02:06:09 -0000 Received: from juan ([67.35.2.174]) by imf22bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020624020608.TNBJ7730.imf22bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 22:06:08 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01c21b23$b43b5db0$ae022343@juan> To: References: <1a7.41b681a.2a47a39f@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Very OT: Beach RADIO Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 22:06:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane I wish I had more time to DX on the beach....you can hear some good stuff...The fact that you could hear WLS from NW of Atlanta..OVER LAND is cool. I remember a trip to Key West...during the day, and hearing stuff from Louisiana, and the florida panhandle....and also hearing Cuban TV just below the FM broadcast band (Canal 6). Living on the water makes for some neat listening. Juan ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 6:20 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Very OT: Beach RADIO > When I lived in Woodstock, GA (25 miles NW of Atlanta), I could get WLS 890 > in Chicago in BROAD DAYLIGHT. When I left the Atlanta area in 1992, WLS was > still a daytime regular. Since I left the Atlanta area, a station has signed > on 890 in Alabama. > > 73 and good DX from Eric > Amateur Radio Station N0UIH > Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN > Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 > DXing The World since 1981 > Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel > PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION > "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jun 23 21:54:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 24 Jun 2002 04:54:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 30165 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2002 04:54:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2002 04:54:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2002 04:54:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2002 04:54:34 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 04:54:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Ford Radios Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <22457-3D15CC97-40@storefull-2114.public.lawson.webtv.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2500 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.153 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > At this point in time. I am unsure IF Ford is still putting AMS > into current models. For 2002, Ford is still equipping the Escort ZX2 with the oval-shaped "Premium Sound" radio with AM Stereo, like you mentioned. It is now a standard feature, but I believe 2002 will be the last year for this ageing model. Meanwhile, most if not all other Ford/Lincoln/Mercury models are available with the Visteon CD-6 radio, which *should* have AM Stereo. In addition, through their joint venture with Ford, some Mazda vehicles also use the CD-6, but no word if these are AM Stereo equipped. A friend of mine just bought a 2002 Ford Taurus station wagon with the oval-shaped radio, but I have not had a chance to test it yet. One OEM car stereo that I have tested is the one in a family member's new 2002 Volkswagen Golf TDI. For 2002, VW finally is using a Double DIN size radio with built-in CD and cassette players. I think this radio uses DSP for radio reception because on AM, the audio response is nicely flat up to 6 kHz, but then drops off like a cliff, so that there is absolutely nothing getting through above 6.2 kHz! I doubt they would go through the trouble of using a complex and costly analog "brick wall" filter to do this, so it must be DSP-based. The *FM* on this radio is also quite muffled-sounding. Even on strong signals, it is missing the top end crispness you normally get from FM, and on weak signals, it sounds very dull, like an average AM radio! To boot, there is no FM Stereo indicator at all, and the whole LCD display is often hard to read because it does not light up unless you have the headlights on. In general, I have yet to find any car radio made within the past five years or so that actually has good sound quality on FM. Sure, they all have fairly decent reception these days, but the audio quality suffers as a result -- unless you have a perfectly strong and clear signal tuned it, it will usually drop to muffled mono sound, with only brief "bursts" of narrow-separation FM Stereo to be heard. I highly prefer my "vintage" 1980s Sparkomatic SR-430 radio, not only because it has wide-bandwidth AM Stereo, but also an FM tuner that will retain full frequency response and Stereo separation even from weak signals. I have heard that Pioneer's "SuperTuner IV" is supposed to also be like this, but unfortunately it is no longer made -- for some reason they reverted back to the "SuperTuner III" with an inferior FM tuner. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Jun 23 23:22:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 24 Jun 2002 06:22:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 30860 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2002 06:22:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2002 06:22:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11705.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2002 06:22:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20020624062201.43594.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.36.102] by web11705.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 23:22:01 PDT Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 23:22:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} What did you mean? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <007101c21a94$3ac890e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Where the hell was I??? I must be slipping to have missed that! Is it too late to hear? I am interested in hearing that receiver on more than a personal level, but nothing's finalized yet. Marv, I'm sorry I missed your post if you did post one. I don't remember, but if you could send a brochure about that receiver, that would be a tremendous help. 73, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Jun 24 00:44:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 24 Jun 2002 07:44:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 52496 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2002 07:44:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2002 07:44:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2002 07:44:46 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.37]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 03:43:49 -0400 Message-ID: <003901c21b53$17a63800$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <20020624062201.43594.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} What did you mean? Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 03:45:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 To all that wrote about that file: Marv had asked me not to upload it anywhere at that time, which is why I didn't. Marv will send the file to Kevin, I believe, when it is OK to do so- CC ----- Original Message ----- From: JNR To: Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 2:22 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} What did you mean? From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Mon Jun 24 02:07:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 24 Jun 2002 09:07:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 76261 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2002 09:07:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2002 09:07:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2002 09:07:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2002 09:07:53 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 09:07:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: RDS vs. AM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020622173123.95332.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 500 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" X-Originating-IP: 217.148.40.78 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@y..., Johnny Electron wrote: > RDS is an underwhelming failure in Northern Ohio. Not one station > uses it anymore. Three stations had it, and turned it off, including > Clear Channel. Only Detroit stations use it. I consider it a > failure. > NOW - let's pester the Big 3 automakers to remove RDS and Re-Install > AMS instead, saving money for them and giving better quality sound! > RDS on AM (sterero) stations would be the best of both worlds! From philipr@irac.pe.ca Mon Jun 24 07:52:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 24 Jun 2002 14:52:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 5125 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2002 14:52:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2002 14:52:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2002 14:52:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2002 14:52:41 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 14:52:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Alfredo Lite questions, tips, antenna ideas, specs etc. Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3456 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking In the next little while, I will be receiving an Alfredo Lite from Chris. It looks like I will be taking over CKBW's old spot on the dial, 1000 Khz, for "Fox 1000, AM Stereo, Stratford PEI". I was thinking that perhaps it should be renamed the Alfredo-Cuff, as Alfredo-Lite rather sounds like something one would enjoy at a fine restaurant. Over the past few months I have noticed that several members on the list have an Alfredo-Lite, and I'm looking for antenna ideas and other tips to maximize its range and performance, while keeping it within legal, low power unlicensed parameters. The antenna concept that I'm contemplating right now goes like this, cutting a 4 or 5 inch diameter length of ABS or PVC pipe to just slightly under 8 feet in length, to clear the average residential ceiling. Making a wood base on this pipe to provide stability. Calculating the number of feet of wire intended to wind on it. Working out in advance the necessary spacing to wind the wire. Drilling small holes evenly spaced for winding this coil - lets see, pi = 3.1416 times 4 inches diameter = appx 12.5 inches. So, if I want 300 feet of wire, I'll need 300 turns. For the sake of my sanity, maybe I'll wind 30 turns, tie it, another 30 turns the next day etc. until the project is complete. The goal is to create an 8 foot verticle radiator with an electrical length of 300 feet [or whatever] e.g. a built in loading coil. I'll experiment with using the cold water pipes in my house, and/or the hot water heating pipes, as my ground system. Anyone try a contraption like this? Does this idea have even a chance of working OK, or is it totally out to lunch. I know it won't have the radiation resistance of 300 feet of wire straight up! The other idea I had in mind is more conventional - build a loading coil, then use copper pipe for the radiator, test, then seal inside ABS or PVC pipe. I could try baseloading, toploading, or center loading. Also, any ballpark ideas on specs - RF power output, max modulation capability etc. for the Alfredo-Lite would be welcome. I'm intending to use an Alesis nanocompressor for compression limiting [I have one already] and the good old Ramsey STC-1 to provide brickwall filtering above 15 khz. I'll keep the signal below the STC-1's limiting point, as its limiter is very crude and nasty sounding. This is not just a hetrodyne issue, but also to keep CD player / computer soundcard hash out of the picture. Initial feed will be a CD changer for test purposes. Eventually, it will be hooked up to the output of a Turtle Beach Santa Cruz soundcard on the Dell 8200. The goal is reasonable but lawful reach, along with good fidelity and separation. I want the installation to be semi-portable, so I can experiment with placement near salt water etc. I'm also looking forward to using it for frequency response testing of various receivers - the scope and signal generator will be handy here. To date, I have to rely on my old LPB 6B. While I can tune a large loop for the LPB with its carrier current tuning box, the range is very poor - even with 100 feet of wire following the perimeter of my attic. I suspect I'll have better results with low power, no loop, a verticle antenna, and not worrying too much about minimizing SWR. Trying such stunts with the LPB would likely result in disaster! Any thoughts on this would be appreciated! Phil From amfmdx@fastq.com Mon Jun 24 08:31:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 24 Jun 2002 15:31:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 62549 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2002 15:31:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2002 15:31:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2002 15:31:29 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d80-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.112]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g5OFVSn55956 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 08:31:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <013c01c21b94$17881820$c1f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite questions, tips, antenna ideas, specs etc. Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 08:30:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > The goal is to create an 8 > foot verticle radiator with an electrical length of 300 feet [or > whatever] e.g. a built in loading coil. This is what I have found..... Wind a loading coil around a 5 gallon bucket. You can calculate what you need. Then run the wire up 10 feet as is the max allowable by law. Then make a top hat by running 4 wires from the top of the 10 foot wire as long as you want. Even if the top hat wires are 10 feet, then its fine because it makes the antenna seem electrically longer. The ends of the wires can slope down at a 45 degree angle or less. Make sure that you tie the ends to some small nylon rope or #10 fishing line and stake the rope or fishing line to the ground. That will do for the antenna but you still need a ground. The best ground is as much chicken wire fencing as you can put on the ground and either bury it a couple inches deep or just get a bunch of large steel staples and nail the chicken wire to the ground. Connect the shield lead of your coax feed to the chicken wire. The other way is to get 6 or 8 ground rods and run wires out to the rods. This works but not as well as the chicken wire. I have gotten out about 5 miles with a LF beacon on 188 kHz using this system but if you run 5 watts or less, its not going to be a problem and you could get out about 10 miles maybe in the day but you would have a great signal for 2 or 3 miles of that. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Jun 24 10:19:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 24 Jun 2002 17:19:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 32201 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2002 17:19:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2002 17:19:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2002 17:19:11 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn62.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.66]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 11:19:10 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} What did you mean? Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 11:19:09 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <003901c21b53$17a63800$0101a8c0@pavilion> Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit By all means please let us all know! I can't wait to hear this. Marv, by all means I did NOT mean that NO manufacturers are making good tuners. That was probably a gross generalization on my part. With all of the wonderful news and endless compliments I've heard about Fanfare, I'd be the FIRST to go out and buy one (if I weren't so poor :( ) . Correction on my part: MOST manufacturers have driven the AM section into the ground and it sounds like mud. Not all of them, though. It is wonderful to see someone like Fanfare building a decent radio and I would jump at the opportunity to hear one for myself! Michael n Wyo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jun 24 12:30:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 24 Jun 2002 19:30:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 37377 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2002 19:30:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2002 19:30:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14204.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.146) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2002 19:30:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20020624193013.45944.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 12:30:13 PDT Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 12:30:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Can we reply to the comments now, or what? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Now that many of us have filed our comments on the FCC website regarding Mass Media 99-325, what do we do next? Can we "REPLY" to the comments made by others (like Clear Channel), or do we have to wait for some sort of a request from the FCC, or a summary, or what? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From KC4QLP@aol.com Mon Jun 24 13:09:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 24 Jun 2002 20:09:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 13435 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2002 20:09:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2002 20:09:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.8) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2002 20:09:04 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.12a.13231de2 (4420) for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 16:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <12a.13231de2.2a48d649@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 16:08:41 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite questions, tips, antenna ideas, specs etc. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 6/24/02 11:47:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, amfmdx@fastq.com writes: << This is what I have found..... Wind a loading coil around a 5 gallon bucket. You can calculate what you need. Then run the wire up 10 feet as is the max allowable by law. Then make a top hat by running 4 wires from the top of the 10 foot wire as long as you want. Even if the top hat wires are 10 feet, then its fine because it makes the antenna seem electrically longer. The ends of the wires can slope down at a 45 degree angle or less. Make sure that you tie the ends to some small nylon rope or #10 fishing line and stake the rope or fishing line to the ground.>> Also if you use a carrier current method along with direct over the air radiation...you might,depending on the power lines,get more coverage than you would with just an antenna. With carrier curerent...you can run several watts....your field strenght is limited by so many microvolts per meter...{ I forget what the exact limits are } but this can allow you to legally {depending on your countrys regulations}cover more area without a license.some carrier current operations have covered anywhere from several miles to only a few city blocks..all depending on where the transformers are located on your electrical grid.....its something you'll have to experiment with. As far as the antenna goes...I agree with Kevins type of antenna.If you wind 300' of wire,you might have a nanowatt of RF making it to the air due to the loses in all of that wire. I used a method once that didnt quite follow the spirit of part 15 one time...a 35 foot vertical and an old AM broadcast loading coil that are normally found in ATU's...loaded everything up for lowest SWR, 8 50' ground radials....at 100 watts on what is now the expanded band..I covered 20 miles over land...60 miles over water by day and quite a few states at night! So with an 10' vertical..properly tuned and loaded with some sort of ground radial system buried a few inches underground with 100 milliwatts....2 or 3 miles daytime {depending on soil conductivity and operating frequency} is a real possiblitly. 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Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmmm....sounds like it beats the heck out of what I'm doing :) Just running the output to the cold water pipe and the ground to the gas pipe. Here in my little room where I'm at, the hot water heater and furnace are here. I get about 3 blocks if I'm lucky, although if you drive down the alley where apparantly the water pipes all run, coverage is pretty good out to like 6 blocks. Guess I need to take some of these suggestions and try something. No room really for some kind of tower except maybe a little one on top of the building. MJR -----Original Message----- From: KC4QLP@aol.com [mailto:KC4QLP@aol.com] Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 2:09 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite questions, tips, antenna ideas, specs etc. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Mon Jun 24 14:45:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 24 Jun 2002 21:45:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 75325 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2002 21:45:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2002 21:45:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2002 21:45:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2002 21:45:39 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 21:45:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM stereo in Scranton PA Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 701 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio Music on AM is not dead... nor is AM stereo. Was visiting in Scranton PA over the weekend and discovered WICK radio (1340 WYCK Plains PA, 1400 WICK Scranton PA, 1550 WITK Pittston PA). In the hotel, all three were strong on my SRF-42... WYCK and WITK were both in mono... but what a nice surprise to see that WICK was in stereo (with the stereo image off balance a little, but it was there). Best of all... they were all oldies stations (and the flagships for the Phillies AAA team the Red Barons). I plan on dropping them a line to tell them I'm happy the AMS is in service on 1400 WICK. I would suggest others do the same and urge them to turn the stereo on on the two other freq's. From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Mon Jun 24 15:53:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 24 Jun 2002 22:53:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 55468 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2002 22:53:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2002 22:53:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf08bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.48) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2002 22:53:26 -0000 Received: from juan ([67.34.11.152]) by imf08bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020624225454.BGUQ16754.imf08bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 18:54:54 -0400 Message-ID: <001d01c21bd1$f333d390$980b2243@juan> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite questions, tips, antenna ideas, specs etc. Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 18:53:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane I plan on buying one of the transmitters, and looking forward to experimenting...first maybe I'll try it using my GAP Titan vertical I use for HF...not a bad antenna for a vertical (on HF) I might add. Juan Gualda gualdaj@bellsouth.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael J. Richard" To: Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 4:18 PM Subject: RE: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite questions, tips, antenna ideas, specs etc. > Hmmm....sounds like it beats the heck out of what I'm doing :) > Just running the output to the cold water pipe and the ground to the gas > pipe. Here in my little room where I'm at, the hot water heater and furnace > are here. I get about 3 blocks if I'm lucky, although if you drive down the > alley where apparantly the water pipes all run, coverage is pretty good out > to like 6 blocks. Guess I need to take some of these suggestions and try > something. No room really for some kind of tower except maybe a little one > on top of the building. > > MJR From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jun 24 15:54:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 24 Jun 2002 22:54:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 66973 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2002 22:54:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2002 22:54:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2002 22:54:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2002 22:54:14 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 22:54:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Alfredo Lite questions, tips, antenna ideas, specs etc. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4243 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.140 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The goal is to create an 8 foot verticle radiator with an electrical > length of 300 feet [or whatever] e.g. a built in loading coil. That is quite ambitious, to use a huge coil as the whole antenna. I suppose it would work well, but it has the risk that anybody who sees it might think you are building a humongous Tesla Coil! :-) I just use a regular vertical antenna, made out of a length of piping with a large car radio antenna on top. The overall length is about 12 feet, but if the FCC complains, I can simply fold in the telescoping car-antenna top to make it exactly 10 feet long (per "Part 15" rules)! And believe it or not, my loading coil is a cheap little 350 uH ferrite bar, like what is used in transistor radios. Mine is actually from a Radio Shack "Science Fair" spring-clip project kit where they include a nice ferrite bar and tuning capacitor for the "build your own AM radio" projects. If you don't have one of these already, you can get their "Crystal Radio" kit for $6.99 which includes the ferrite bar coil. The coil part is moveable on the ferrite bar so I simply slide it back and forth until I get the strongest signal (on a radio across the room, set so it is in a position where my signal is weak), and then fix it in place with some Fun Tac. I wouldn't trust this little coil to handle a 5-watt signal, but with the standard Alfredo Lite's output power, it works perfectly, and avoids the hassle of winding your own loading coil. A tip if you are using a "test receiver" within close range of the transmitter/antenna: do the adjusting of your audio processing with the loading coil *bypassed*, because with it in use, your signal will be very strong and will overload your radio with distortion. Thus, with your loading coil and audio processing set for optimum performance, it will sound pretty bad on a radio within close range, but as you go farther away from the antenna, the distortion should clear up. > I'll experiment with using the cold water pipes in my house, and/or > the hot water heating pipes, as my ground system. Anyone try a > contraption like this? I have yet to install a proper Earth ground (you can get the 8-foot grounding rod at most hardware/home improvement stores, but pounding it into the ground is another matter!), so my "ground" is just whatever is provided through the third pin of the AC power cord on my power supply. I tried using a cold water pipe ground, but it just ended up reducing my signal. > I'm intending to use an Alesis nanocompressor for compression > limiting [I have one already] and the good old Ramsey STC-1 to > provide brickwall filtering above 15 khz. I'll keep the signal > below the STC-1's limiting point, as its limiter is very crude and > nasty sounding. As long as the Alesis does good peak limiting of the treble range, it should be fine. The biggest trouble with audio processing on AM and FM transmitters is properly limiting the treble peaks you get when somebody pronounces the letter "S" (known as "sibilance"), which can cause a nasty "spitting" effect if this is not properly limited (technically, the "spitting" is caused by your signal exceeding 100% *negative* modulation). Beyond that, the audio processing is mostly an issue of how much you want it to sound like other radio stations. Most stations use heavy multi-band compression and limiting to achieve a "LOUD", punchy sound with booming bass. This kind of processing will give you a very high modulation level, but may not be so pleasing to your ears. Unless you like hard rock, rap, or dance music, you will likely favor a lower overall amount of audio processing in order to provide more dynamic range and a cleaner, less "stressful" sound. > I'm also looking forward to using it for frequency response testing > of various receivers - the scope and signal generator will be handy > here. For the most accurate results, you should use 75 uS NRSC treble pre-emphasis, which is the standard in the USA and North America. You can download a PDF file containing the exact specifications of this pre-emphasis here (if you are logged into Yahoo): http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/Bts1-2.pdf From fanfare@globility.com Mon Jun 24 15:56:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 24 Jun 2002 22:56:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 88145 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2002 22:56:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2002 22:56:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2002 22:56:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2002 22:56:10 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 22:56:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} What did you mean? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020624062201.43594.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1819 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amfmguy" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.233.207 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy Hi Jay: I think the fact that I used a header subject that might not have reflected what was actually being discussed was probably the reason why you missed the string. In any event, I'd be happy to send you an E-brochure. Anyone else that would like one, please write to me at "amfmguy@yahoo.com". As for the MP3's, I tried to send them to Kevin Tekel yesterday. But they got bounced. Apparently Yahoo incoming attachments are limited to 1 meg. Unfortunately, when I found this out it was late in the day and I did not have time to edit them. Today was not much better. Again, anyone who would like to share their personal Email address with me will get a couple of KABL soundbites and, if you'd like one, an E-brochure in PDF of the FTA-100. Your address will not go on the "contact later" list unless you specifically ask us to do so. Cheers, Marv PS, I need insights from radio engineering types, preferably working within an AMS environment and/or with AMS experience. This could be a labor of love to start off with, but could be quite lucrative in the long run. Incidentally, you needn't have been active in this group, just a spectator is fine, as long as you have the experience. --- In amstereoforum@y..., JNR wrote: > Where the hell was I??? I must be slipping to > have missed that! Is it too late to hear? I am > interested in hearing that receiver on more than > a personal level, but nothing's finalized yet. > > Marv, I'm sorry I missed your post if you did > post one. I don't remember, but if you could > send a brochure about that receiver, that would > be a tremendous help. > > 73, > Jay,N1WVQ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From matthew.trim@eds.com Mon Jun 24 16:00:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 24 Jun 2002 23:00:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 43145 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2002 23:00:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2002 23:00:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns5.eds.com) (203.17.185.230) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2002 23:00:11 -0000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com (nnsy-3.eds.com [192.168.1.1]) by ns5.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g5ON09G00452 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 09:00:09 +1000 (EST) Received: from nnsy.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5ON07327995 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 09:00:07 +1000 (EST) Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5ON06F27988 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 09:00:06 +1000 (EST) Received: by AUSYM000 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 08:59:48 +1000 Message-ID: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542803F5301B@AUSYM200> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Confirmed: 4AK permanently no longer in stereo :( Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 08:59:46 +1000 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Jeff, 4BC is only a 5kw station, however I suspect they may have bought extra capacity in the hope they can someday increase their output. Also they run a directional antenna system so this may be where the extra power is required. Regarding the ABC stations, I've posted some MP3 audio of 612 ABC to aus.radio.broadcast you might enjoy. http://www.amstereoradio.com/bofh/612-abc-bne-25-06-02.mp3 Sounds fantastic - shame it's mono :( I wonder if their 50kw TX's were ordered with stereo? Cheers, Matt -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Welton [mailto:jwelton@nautel.com] Sent: Friday, 21 June 2002 11:41 PM To: Trim, Matthew L; amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Confirmed: 4AK permanently no longer in stereo :( > What's the difference you may ask? 612 is a 50kw station run by our ABC > national broadcaster. All other commercial AM stations in Australia are 5kw or > less (4AK is 2kw) Now I've seen a lot of mention on this list about AM > 'powerhouses' and 'booming' signals. You seem to have many 50kw commercial > radio stations whereas we have none in Australia. This intrigued me, so I did some checking on our customers 'Down Under'. I was surprised to find you are apparently quite right! Of the nine 50kW systems we have in Aussie, all are at ABC stations. We do have several 10kW systems, but I suspect most are also either ABC or are being run at 5kW. The only one that stands out is 4BC, Brisbane (1116 kHz), which, with combined XL12's is capable of 25kW. Their website identifies a talk format, but it's also interesting to note that they insisted on AMS exciters in their systems, and asked some setup questions on it at the time of installation. 4BC has an interesting history as well, the website is well worth a read: http://www.4bc.com.au From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Mon Jun 24 18:01:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 53881 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2002 01:01:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2002 01:01:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2002 01:01:41 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2002 01:01:41 -0000 Date: 25 Jun 2002 01:01:39 -0000 Message-ID: <1024966899.46527.91766.w35@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /KABL-ORT-AMS.MP3 Uploaded by : amfmguy Description : KABL-AMS using new Fanfare/ORT AMS circuit You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/KABL-ORT-AMS.MP3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, amfmguy From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Jun 24 18:03:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 25 Jun 2002 01:03:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 72482 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2002 01:03:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2002 01:03:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2002 01:03:22 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-247.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.247]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g5P10sow016904 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 20:00:56 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003e01c21be4$a2d8b600$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <12a.13231de2.2a48d649@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite questions, tips, antenna ideas, specs etc. Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 20:07:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude If you load into the neutral, you can often get the signal to bypass the pole transformers. That Alfredo-Lite would make an OK exciter for the LPB. Just tap off the signal before the final NE602 chip, and that's your L-R. You might need an extra bit of amplification for driving the LPB. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: > Also if you use a carrier current method along with direct over the air > radiation...you might,depending on the power lines,get more coverage than you > would with just an antenna. > With carrier curerent...you can run several watts....your field strenght is > limited by so many microvolts per meter.. From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Jun 24 18:17:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 25 Jun 2002 01:17:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 21769 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2002 01:17:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2002 01:17:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2002 01:17:12 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-247.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.247]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g5P1Eiow019737 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 20:14:45 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <005601c21be6$91521960$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} What did you mean? Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 20:20:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I guess I consider myself an AMS-wannbe. I've got three AMs, at least one of which would be worth converting to AMS. What sort of input are you looking for? We just got a new automation system installed to control all three stations, though not yet completely online, that's fully wired for stereo. When the old system comes out, I'm going to get rid as much of the mono wiring as possible. Unfortunately the new cards for the T-1 STL would cost us about $6000 to get the one station stereo. Talked with a tech at QEI, and the STL can handle up to four bidirectional 10kHz audio channels with the right cards. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "amfmguy" > PS, I need insights from radio engineering types, preferably working > within an AMS environment and/or with AMS experience. This could be a > labor of love to start off with, but could be quite lucrative in the > long run. Incidentally, you needn't have been active in this group, > just a spectator is fine, as long as you have the experience. From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Mon Jun 24 18:50:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 25 Jun 2002 01:50:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 58174 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2002 01:50:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2002 01:50:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf13bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.153) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2002 01:50:12 -0000 Received: from juan ([67.35.11.189]) by imf13bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020625015140.LQBU24156.imf13bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 21:51:40 -0400 Message-ID: <001501c21bea$a4c953b0$bd0b2343@juan> To: Subject: New AM Stereo on the treasure Coast Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 21:50:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sad to say, the new AM on 760 (WEFL Tequesta, FL ) is in crappy, low fidelity mono.....sounds like they are using a phone line. Good news WTTB will be AM Stereo in the very near future. We just purchased a BE transmitter with AM Stereo included....it arrived Friday. We have some issues, as our Stereo STL is being used on one of our FM's, and we need a Stereo Processor, but it will happen... WTTB will be a new AM Stereo station here in the US.... Gotta smile ! Juan Gualda WTTB WGYL WOSN WGNX gualdaj@bellsouth.net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Jun 24 19:49:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 25 Jun 2002 02:49:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 12696 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2002 02:49:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2002 02:49:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2002 02:49:19 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 19:49:18 -0700 Received: from 209.240.222.130 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 02:49:17 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@bellsouth.net, gualdaj@bellsouth.net Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Stereo on the treasure Coast Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 02:49:17 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jun 2002 02:49:18.0776 (UTC) FILETIME=[E6C8F380:01C21BF2] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.222.130] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 >Sad to say, the new AM on 760 (WEFL Tequesta, FL ) is in crappy, low >fidelity mono.....sounds like they are using a phone line. If this is permanent, then it sounds as though WEFL wil be just another station that's a waste of the public airwaves. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Good news WTTB will be AM Stereo in the very near future. We just purchased a BE transmitter with AM Stereo included....it arrived Friday. We have some issues, as our Stereo STL is being used on one of our FM's, and we need a Stereo Processor, but it will happen... WTTB will be a new AM Stereo station here in the US.... That is good news, Juan. Do you think it will be in stero by the end of July? Sometime between the end of July and Mid August I will be over that way. Have you notified Bob Betcher yet or did you want to wait until there's an official date. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Gotta smile ! YES! >Juan Gualda >WTTB WGYL WOSN WGNX gualdaj@bellsouth.net _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From amstereo@optushome.com.au Tue Jun 25 02:13:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@optushome.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 25 Jun 2002 09:13:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 20029 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2002 09:13:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2002 09:13:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail018.syd.optusnet.com.au) (210.49.20.176) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2002 09:13:21 -0000 Received: from durocket1200 (c16414.ipswc1.qld.optusnet.com.au [210.49.41.33]) by mail018.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id g5P9DJg10511 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 19:13:19 +1000 Message-ID: <001001c21c28$8c3b95e0$1a02a8c0@durocket1200> To: Subject: Re: Alfredo Lite questions, tips, antenna ideas, specs etc. Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 19:13:19 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "voltare - matt2" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=105920058 X-Yahoo-Profile: voltar_e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit my testing experimentation using the alfredo's own power out put (with a regulated 9V supplied by myPC) i have (so far) 25 M of copper enameled wirerunning out of my window then along my fence. My earth is my computer case :), works damn well. my audio is My PC , using otsjuke as my source and limiting/compression. I can recieve my signal OK to 300M then patchy to 1K MAX, and for some stupid reason is better under powerlines. I am going to obtain 2 more roles of that enamel to get my 64 meters ant. (1197 kHz) this way i should increase my distance alot ferther. i have found that with the wire wrapped around anything small (same 25M) gets my 5 meters. So what next!, a 50 watt RF amp. this is fun stuff. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Tue Jun 25 02:42:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 25 Jun 2002 09:42:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 2963 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2002 09:42:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2002 09:42:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.32.181.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2002 09:42:52 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 02:42:52 -0700 Received: from 208.228.96.20 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 09:42:52 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Phone out Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 05:42:52 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jun 2002 09:42:52.0303 (UTC) FILETIME=[ACCCB1F0:01C21C2C] From: "Chris Cuff" X-Originating-IP: [208.228.96.20] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059 Quick note to all- our phones are out, so if anyone tries to get a hold of me, and i dont answer right away, this is why- they have been out for 2 days so no home computer... (the whole town is out... never saw such a long failure before!) CC _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Jun 25 09:39:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 25 Jun 2002 16:39:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 51806 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2002 16:39:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2002 16:39:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2002 16:39:32 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn82.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.86]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:39:32 -0600 To: Subject: Fanfare KABL air check Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:39:30 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <001001c21c28$8c3b95e0$1a02a8c0@durocket1200> Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. 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MJR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jwelton@nautel.com Tue Jun 25 10:06:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 25 Jun 2002 17:06:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 10050 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2002 17:06:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2002 17:06:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserver.nautel.com) (24.222.4.134) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2002 17:06:33 -0000 Received: FROM jeff-welton BY mailserver.nautel.com ; Tue Jun 25 14:07:39 2002 -0300 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 14:05:55 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Confirmed: 4AK permanently no longer in stereo :( Message-ID: <3D1878BB.18279.116DD1D@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542803F5301B@AUSYM200> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body From: "Jeff Welton" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 > 4BC is only a 5kw station, however I suspect they may have bought extra > capacity in the hope they can someday increase their output. Also they run a > directional antenna system so this may be where the extra power is required. Typically, a 5kW station would only run 5.4kW to compensate for losses in the array, so 25kW capability seems like a little bit of overkill. I suspect your first thought was closer. > Regarding the ABC stations, I've posted some MP3 audio of 612 ABC to > Sounds fantastic - shame it's mono :( I wonder if their 50kw TX's were > ordered with stereo? Our records indicate that 612 is 5SR, originally shipped as 4QR, and is combined ND25 transmitters - which were not shipped with the integral stereo board (not available at the time the transmitters were shipped in 1991). Obviously, I can't speak for any outboard equipment which may have been ordered at that time or since from other vendors. Regards, Jeff Welton Nautel Customer Service Dept. Tel.: 1-902-823-3900 ext. 127 Fax: 1-902-823-3183 email: jwelton@nautel.com From fanfare@globility.com Tue Jun 25 11:58:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 25 Jun 2002 18:58:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 23763 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2002 18:58:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2002 18:58:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2002 18:58:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2002 18:58:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:58:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: CFA and AMS Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1383 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amfmguy" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.233.205 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy I've been trying to find some current information on what progress is being made with the more compact antennas, like the AM - CFA(crossed fields antenna). It seems to me that one of the factors causing some broadcast groups to dump their AM's is the cost of land for the A-farm. I assume it also may have something to do with IBOC4AM and its relative non- popularity. Let's face it, broadcasters have been fed a lot of Castoria over the years. What with DBx, Dolby, FMX, AMS ..and now IBOC. No wonder they're skeptical and heading for the high ground of FM. However, if CFA, or the other compact AM antenna system that is being grown in GA becomes a practical reality, AM antennas might be found in the city, right behind the Cell repeaters. Should that be the case, AM's could find themselves in a renaissance. One of those AM's is "AM-740" who took over the abandoned CBC frequency and xmtr site. Their "Adult Standards" format has taken Toronto big-time. Now, all they need is AMS!!! You can read a bit about CHWO's success at http://www.odxa.on.ca/chwo.html. Unfortunately, the CBC is was not a promoter of AMS, but that does not mean they don't have the capability. They still maintain a shop on the 740 xmtr site in Hornby ON. BTW, whatever you can come up with in terms of compact AM antenna information, I would very much appreciate. Cheers, Marv From jwelton@nautel.com Tue Jun 25 12:34:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 25 Jun 2002 19:34:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 91209 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2002 19:34:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2002 19:34:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserver.nautel.com) (24.222.4.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2002 19:34:29 -0000 Received: FROM jeff-welton BY mailserver.nautel.com ; Tue Jun 25 16:35:34 2002 -0300 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:33:46 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: {AMSF} CFA and AMS Message-ID: <3D189B66.26605.19E504C@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body From: "Jeff Welton" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 > I've been trying to find some current information on what progress is > being made with the more compact antennas, like the AM - CFA(crossed > fields antenna). Marv: Lots of info on Cross Field Antennas at: http://www.antennex.com/preview/ This predominantly ham radio site has a (fairly subjective) article on CFA's as well as some other information and theoretical stuff http://www.smpte-sbe48.org/oldnews/news0799.html#ant A brief review of the CFA by West Coast consultant Ben Dawson. I've worked with Ben - to say he knows his stuff would be an understatement. http://www.amrad.org/pipermail/lf/2002q1/001129.html A letter referencing an IEEE paper which should provide more info - don't know if the IEEE paper is available online to members or not. http://icat.snu.ac.kr/new_icat/osi7layer/papers/modulation/Short%20medium%20freq uency%20AM%20antennas.pdf Yep, it is! Watch the wrapping of the link - 20antennas.pdf is the actual end of the link. Best, Jeff Welton Nautel Customer Service Dept. Tel.: 1-902-823-3900 ext. 127 Fax: 1-902-823-3183 email: jwelton@nautel.com From dav259@csiro.au Tue Jun 25 16:40:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 25 Jun 2002 23:40:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 8148 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2002 23:40:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2002 23:40:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2002 23:40:51 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05365 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:40:49 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:40:49 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Confirmed: 4AK permanently no longer in stereo :( In-Reply-To: <3D1878BB.18279.116DD1D@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, Jeff Welton wrote: > Our records indicate that 612 is 5SR, originally shipped as 4QR, and > is combined ND25 transmitters - which were not shipped with the > integral stereo board (not available at the time the transmitters > were shipped in 1991). Obviously, I can't speak for any outboard > equipment which may have been ordered at that time or since from other > vendors. 612 4QR was in stereo for most of the 90s. It was about the last ABC station to switch off the stereo. Jeff - any chance of advising the power of 3AK's Nautel transmitter which they switched on in March last year? It could have been ordered with the 1503 or 1116 frequency (they moved two months earlier but knew of the move for six months) - and may have been ordered by Fusion Media (the former owners) or Data & Commerce. Ian - Melbourne From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jun 25 20:59:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 26 Jun 2002 03:59:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 26241 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2002 03:59:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2002 03:59:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2002 03:59:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2002 03:59:32 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 03:59:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1430 WNSW back in Stereo Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1231 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.149 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics After about 5 or 6 months of broadcasting a Mono signal, 1430 WNSW in Newark, NJ is once again transmitting an AM Stereo signal. Owned by Multicultural Broadcasting, WNSW was a Nostalgia music station as "Sunny 1430" from March 1999 to April 2001, and before and after that has primarily been a time-brokered ethnic station. Currently most of their programming is Chinese talk so I don't have much chance to check if they are broadcasting with true Stereo sound or not. 1430 WNSW, formerly as WNJR, has used AM Stereo sporadically since the 1980s, remaining in mono during most of the 1990s but switching it back on just before the debut of the "Sunny" format, which was designed to take the place of the then-recently-departed "American Popular Standards" station WQEW 1560 AM Stereo. Unfortunately, the Sunny format didn't last too long, as their signal wasn't good enough in NYC for the way they were calling it a "New York City" station. However, legendary radio personality Danny Stiles still runs an overnight Nostalgia music show on WNSW 1430 AM Stereo and co-owned WPAT 930 AM Stereo, although it is heavily laden with commercials to help cover the cost of running it on these time-brokered stations. From phil@transmittersrus.com Wed Jun 26 01:06:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 26 Jun 2002 08:06:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 69399 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2002 08:06:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2002 08:06:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.195.173) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2002 08:06:31 -0000 Received: from modem-2875.chimpanzee.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.123.59] helo=fslife.co.uk) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17N7os-00062E-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:06:31 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:05:11 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: CFA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-U () From: Philip de Cadenet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Marv, NTL (No Technicians Left) a transmission equipment and systems supplier here in the UK carried out trials of a full-size CFA last year at their Weston Park site in the county of Shropshire. Kabbary himself was on-site to tune the thing, which it seems he had great trouble doing. The tests were on two different frequencies in the medium wave band and initially were to be with a power level of 1Kw. To cut a long story short they had terrible corona arcing problems at below 500w and at the end of the day the engineers put their hands up in frustration and went home. Result, nothing conclusive. Potomacs were left in their cases. Sorry the above story is not more concise but I received it third hand from someone at NTL. Now I have an open mind on these antennas but it does seem that the veritable CFA is nothing more than a 50 gallon dummy load. -- Philip de Cadenet G4ZOW WLYC Williamsport PA From dav259@csiro.au Wed Jun 26 02:06:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 26 Jun 2002 09:06:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 43159 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2002 09:06:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2002 09:06:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2002 09:06:30 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06951; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 19:06:27 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 19:06:27 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: OT: Arizona Burning Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Kevin Just heard an interview on Talk 1116 3AK with Cathy Clarke at KPHO-TV5 and hope things soon get better in Arizona. She said 30,000 people have already been evacuated and things may get worse. Victoria suffers major bushfires every few years like this and it's a time when everyone pulls together. Best wishes from Downunder! I guess you are safe in Mesa - we couldn't afford to lose you to our cause. Ditat Deus - "God Enriches" Ian From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Wed Jun 26 02:19:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 26 Jun 2002 09:19:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 87434 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2002 09:19:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2002 09:19:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf11bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.171) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2002 09:19:19 -0000 Received: from juan ([67.34.2.201]) by imf11bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020626092048.UTMN10991.imf11bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 05:20:48 -0400 Message-ID: <001501c21cf2$8d88c790$c9022243@juan> To: Subject: WTTB Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 05:19:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WTTB should have the new transmitter up and running next week. We will probably be experimenting with the Pilot on and off, as the engineer and I do some adjustments...then we'll turn the pilot off till we get the STL back (by the end of the month) & the processing (who knows). Juan WTTB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Jun 26 02:25:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 26 Jun 2002 09:25:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 50553 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2002 09:25:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2002 09:25:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2002 09:25:53 -0000 Received: from Chris1 (unverified [208.228.96.20]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 05:25:06 -0400 Message-ID: <007601c21cf3$77dd7cf0$0d01a8c0@Chris1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Phone out Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 05:25:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Just found out our phones may be out for another 5 days due to a massive cable failure.... this is aggravating to say the least! Any messages will be answered as I can get the time, but here at work it is not always possible... cc From groucho@skyweb.net Wed Jun 26 04:19:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 26 Jun 2002 11:19:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 91395 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2002 11:19:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2002 11:19:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2002 11:19:34 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g5QBMP8e077166 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 07:22:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D19A269.7C812E23@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 07:15:53 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1430 WNSW back in Stereo References: From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Interesting.... Next Time I goto the office Ill have to check to see if there is a Stereo modulation meter in the rack... WNSW studios are Right Next to Master Control. Every Time I am there I can look through the window From master Control and see Everything that's going on.. WNSW and WPAT are not Brokered Stations... actually I think they are the only 2 of Multicultural. that are not.. in the NY metro area. and You are Correct it is a Chinese Format.. here in the NY ,NJ Area they have a christian station, a Chinese station,Korean station,and My South Asian Indian Station... Notice I didn't Say Hindu station.. Because Hindu is just 1 of 40 different language's spoken in India.. and On our station I know that they (hosts) speak at least 3.. Hindu,Telegu,and Urdu.. we are also affiliated with BBC.. and Supply BBC News in these 3 languages Bet You didn't know that.... BTW.. My Doors are always open for a Small Tour... Neal Newman Chief Engineer and Pilot Light maker WTTM 1680 AM Stereo Princeton,New Jersey Americas Largest South Asian Music,Talk,News Station kevtronics wrote: > After about 5 or 6 months of broadcasting a Mono signal, 1430 WNSW in > > Newark, NJ is once again transmitting an AM Stereo signal. Owned by > Multicultural Broadcasting, WNSW was a Nostalgia music station as > "Sunny 1430" from March 1999 to April 2001, and before and after that > has primarily been a time-brokered ethnic station. Currently most of > their programming is Chinese talk so I don't have much chance to check > > if they are broadcasting with true Stereo sound or not. > > 1430 WNSW, formerly as WNJR, has used AM Stereo sporadically since the > > 1980s, remaining in mono during most of the 1990s but switching it > back on just before the debut of the "Sunny" format, which was > designed to take the place of the then-recently-departed "American > Popular Standards" station WQEW 1560 AM Stereo. Unfortunately, the > Sunny format didn't last too long, as their signal wasn't good enough > in NYC for the way they were calling it a "New York City" station. > However, legendary radio personality Danny Stiles still runs an > overnight Nostalgia music show on WNSW 1430 AM Stereo and co-owned > WPAT 930 AM Stereo, although it is heavily laden with commercials to > help cover the cost of running it on these time-brokered stations. > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Wed Jun 26 04:28:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 26 Jun 2002 11:28:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 50851 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2002 11:28:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2002 11:28:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2002 11:28:40 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g5QBVS8e077953 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 07:31:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D19A489.F25522E3@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 07:24:58 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite questions, tips, antenna ideas, specs etc. References: <013c01c21b94$17881820$c1f9bed8@kredding430cdt> From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit where can I get One of theses Little exciters to experiment with.... I understand they are $100.. I paid a visit to the NJ turnpike Authority the other day.... I told them Of My Little Problem with their TIS Station that's interfering with My station .... They were Shocked to say the Least... they Say that their TIS is running only 5 watts and it Must be skip conditions To hear it 24 Miles from its site.. I would say skip It it was occasionally but its almost every day that its On.. what I find Interesting is that You can hear it 24 Miles to the South of its antenna. But Loose it 1/2 mile north Of its antenna.. Sounds like its directional to the south with a reflector To me. what's your opinion I want to know.. Neal > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jwelton@nautel.com Wed Jun 26 04:34:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 26 Jun 2002 11:34:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 6310 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2002 11:34:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2002 11:34:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserver.nautel.com) (24.222.4.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2002 11:34:53 -0000 Received: FROM jeff-welton BY mailserver.nautel.com ; Wed Jun 26 08:35:56 2002 -0300 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 08:34:04 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Confirmed: 4AK permanently no longer in stereo :( Message-ID: <3D197C7B.13360.1B0FC9@localhost> Priority: normal References: <3D1878BB.18279.116DD1D@localhost> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body From: "Jeff Welton" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 > Jeff - any chance of advising the power of 3AK's Nautel transmitter which > they switched on in March last year? It could have been ordered with the > 1503 or 1116 frequency (they moved two months earlier but knew of the > move for six months) - and may have been ordered by Fusion Media (the > former owners) or Data & Commerce. XL12, 1116 kHz, nominal 12kW output, rated for 13.2kW, shipped 17 May 2001, (with integral AMS exciter - because I _KNOW_ that will be the next question!). Regards, Jeff Welton Nautel Customer Service Dept. Tel.: 1-902-823-3900 ext. 127 Fax: 1-902-823-3183 email: jwelton@nautel.com From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Jun 26 05:01:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 26 Jun 2002 12:01:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 24004 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2002 12:01:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2002 12:01:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2002 12:01:50 -0000 Received: from Chris1 (unverified [208.228.96.20]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 08:01:03 -0400 Message-ID: <009601c21d09$40d160d0$0d01a8c0@Chris1> To: References: <013c01c21b94$17881820$c1f9bed8@kredding430cdt> <3D19A489.F25522E3@skyweb.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite questions, tips, antenna ideas, specs etc. Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 08:01:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Neal, they come from me- I have 2 left. They are indeed $100.00, plus $8.00 mail. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Newman" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 7:24 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite questions, tips, antenna ideas, specs etc. > where can I get One of theses Little exciters to experiment with.... > I understand they are $100.. > From philipr@irac.pe.ca Wed Jun 26 05:48:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 26 Jun 2002 12:48:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 79870 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2002 12:48:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2002 12:48:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2002 12:48:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2002 12:48:21 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:48:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite questions, tips, antenna ideas, specs etc. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <009601c21d09$40d160d0$0d01a8c0@Chris1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 612 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking These little rigs are going like hotcakes! What could be more fun - a little low power transmitter AND AM Stereo! Phil --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Chris Cuff" wrote: > Neal, they come from me- I have 2 left. They are indeed $100.00, plus $8.00 > mail. > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Neal Newman" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 7:24 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite questions, tips, antenna ideas, specs etc. > > > > where can I get One of theses Little exciters to experiment with.... > > I understand they are $100.. > > From groucho@skyweb.net Wed Jun 26 07:07:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 26 Jun 2002 14:07:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 77754 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2002 14:07:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2002 14:07:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2002 14:07:23 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g5QE9w8e098535 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:10:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D19C9AF.E723A0F5@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:03:27 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite questions, tips, antenna ideas, specs etc. References: <013c01c21b94$17881820$c1f9bed8@kredding430cdt> <3D19A489.F25522E3@skyweb.net> <009601c21d09$40d160d0$0d01a8c0@Chris1> From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK Chris.. Hold one for me.... Ill take it... Neal Chris Cuff wrote: > Neal, they come from me- I have 2 left. They are indeed $100.00, plus > $8.00 > mail. > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Neal Newman" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 7:24 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite questions, tips, antenna ideas, specs > etc. > > > > where can I get One of theses Little exciters to experiment with.... > > > I understand they are $100.. > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Jun 26 14:50:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 26 Jun 2002 21:50:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 10390 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2002 21:50:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2002 21:50:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2002 21:50:26 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn20.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.24]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:50:26 -0600 To: Subject: UX-1 Example Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:50:58 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi gang I don't know if any are interested, but I just did a quick recording of AM STEREO audio from my Delco UX-1 that I have running 24/7. It was easy since it feeds right into my sound card on my computer. If some of you have only heard about how good the Delco UX-1 sounds and want to know why we all rave about it being one of the best-sounding (if not THE best-sounding) AM Stereo radios ever made, download this and see. It's small and downloadable for anyone. Check it out here at my website: http://www.cajuncomp.com/sounds Michael n WYO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Jun 26 15:53:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 26 Jun 2002 22:53:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 34746 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2002 22:53:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2002 22:53:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m09.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.164) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2002 22:53:18 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.11d.13258d54 (1332) for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 18:53:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <11d.13258d54.2a4b9fd2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 18:53:06 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite questions, tips, antenna ideas, specs etc. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 6/26/02 7:29:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, groucho@skyweb.net writes: << But Loose it 1/2 mile north Of its antenna.. Sounds like its directional to the south with a reflector To me. what's your opinion I want to know.. Neal >> Hey Neal...sounds very possible! There is a TIS station operating in the Hampton Roads Va area {Norfolk,Va Beach,Chesapeake,Newport News Va area} on 620khz and regularly come rocketing in 20-25 miles away.Also there is one on 1610khx from Manteo NC on Roanoke Island that comes in everyday...and that one is 60 miles away with a path to me that is 80% water.{ read of my "experiment" under this same subject heading. I'm amazed how far 100watts and a 35 foot antenna would carry and produce a signal.So the thought of even 100 milliwatts carrying 2 miles or more daytime is very possible. There's a group called LOWFERS....some experiment with the MWBCB as well and back in the day before the expanded band stations....100 milliwatt stations could be heard 500 miles or more at night...given that the band was free of static. 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Thanks Jeff!! It's strange because they were telling us they switched on the new xmtr in March 2001 - maybe they were having us on. And that's not the next question. 3AK was in stereo for several years till February 2002 and now blame an A$18,000 audio delay unit for not being in stereo. They are on 7 sec delay 24/7. From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Jun 26 16:15:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 26 Jun 2002 23:15:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 29542 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2002 23:15:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2002 23:15:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2002 23:15:17 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn20.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.24]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 17:15:17 -0600 To: Subject: more demos Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 17:15:50 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <11d.13258d54.2a4b9fd2@aol.com> From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Again, for all interested.... I've also uploaded demo audio from a Sony SRF-42 Walkman and an Aiwa HS-JX859D walkman. Same web site. www.cajuncomp.com/sounds MJR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Jun 26 20:21:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_3); 27 Jun 2002 03:21:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 99782 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2002 03:21:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2002 03:21:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2002 03:21:30 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-61.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.61]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g5R3IxIh008565 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:19:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002101c21d8a$4795fee0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1430 WNSW back in Stereo Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:25:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I can announce that WCTS is finally back in stereo too. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevtronics" > After about 5 or 6 months of broadcasting a Mono signal, 1430 WNSW in > Newark, NJ is once again transmitting an AM Stereo signal. From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Jun 26 20:34:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_3); 27 Jun 2002 03:33:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 15086 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2002 03:33:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2002 03:33:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2002 03:33:58 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-61.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.61]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g5R3VRIh010627 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:31:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <007701c21d8c$0593e280$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <001501c21cf2$8d88c790$c9022243@juan> Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTB Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:37:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Thanks for the updates and please keep us posted. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Juan / John Gualda" > WTTB should have the new transmitter up and running next week. From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Jun 26 20:37:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_3); 27 Jun 2002 03:37:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 21964 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2002 03:37:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2002 03:37:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2002 03:37:49 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-61.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.61]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g5R3ZEIh011161 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:35:19 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <007d01c21d8c$8eeb2fc0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <013c01c21b94$17881820$c1f9bed8@kredding430cdt> <3D19A489.F25522E3@skyweb.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite questions, tips, antenna ideas, specs etc. Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:41:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Could be a lot of things, but an intentionally directional antenna it won't be. Railroad tracks have been known to distort a station's pattern. Same with power lines. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Newman" > what I find Interesting is that You can hear it 24 Miles to the South > of its antenna. > But Loose it 1/2 mile north Of its antenna.. Sounds like its > directional to the south with a reflector From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jun 26 20:42:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_3); 27 Jun 2002 03:42:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 31270 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2002 03:42:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2002 03:42:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2002 03:42:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2002 03:42:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 03:42:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: UX-1 Example Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 561 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.32 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Check it out here at my website: http://www.cajuncomp.com/sounds All three of your recordings sound very good... just you could use better filtering on the DC power supply for your transmitter, in order to get rid of that hum in the background. The easiest way to do this is to get the biggest electrolytic capacitor you can find -- I use one that's 10,000 uF! -- and connect it between the + and - terminals of the DC output of your power supply, observing properly polarity of course (or else it will blow up!!). That should get rid of the hum! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jun 26 21:05:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_3); 27 Jun 2002 04:05:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 67602 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2002 04:05:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2002 04:05:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2002 04:05:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2002 04:05:04 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 04:05:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Alfredo Lite questions, tips, antenna ideas, specs etc. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007d01c21d8c$8eeb2fc0$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 774 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.32 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Could be a lot of things, but an intentionally directional antenna > it won't be. Railroad tracks have been known to distort a station's > pattern. Same with power lines. Heh... I have one local 250-watt "non-directional" AM station whose tower is within very close range of *both* railroad tracks *and* high-tension power lines... probably whatever the minimum distance of separation between them was back when the station was built in 1972. (Imagine the power lines crossing the railroad tracks at a diagonal... and this station's tower is nestled exactly within the acute angle formed between them.) That could be why in some areas I can be 10 miles away from them and get a weak signal, but in other areas I can be 20 miles away and get a strong signal! From philipr@irac.pe.ca Thu Jun 27 04:38:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_3); 27 Jun 2002 11:38:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 47467 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2002 11:38:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2002 11:38:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2002 11:38:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2002 11:38:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:38:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: UX-1 Example Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 983 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking The UX-1 - The sound is nothing short of incredible - as good apparent top end as FM, and less compressed than most FM stations. The Aiwa, to be honest, sounded rather muddy. The SRF-42 sounded a bit "phasy". Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's UX-1... Phil --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Hi gang > I don't know if any are interested, but I just did a quick recording of AM > STEREO audio from my Delco UX-1 that I have running 24/7. It was easy since > it feeds right into my sound card on my computer. If some of you have only > heard about how good the Delco UX-1 sounds and want to know why we all rave > about it being one of the best-sounding (if not THE best-sounding) AM Stereo > radios ever made, download this and see. It's small and downloadable for > anyone. > Check it out here at my website: http://www.cajuncomp.com/sounds > > Michael n WYO > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jwelton@nautel.com Thu Jun 27 05:40:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_3); 27 Jun 2002 12:40:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 96404 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2002 12:40:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2002 12:40:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserver.nautel.com) (24.222.4.134) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2002 12:40:52 -0000 Received: FROM jeff-welton BY mailserver.nautel.com ; Thu Jun 27 09:41:54 2002 -0300 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:40:13 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: {AMSF} was 1430 WNSW back in Stereo, now WCTS Message-ID: <3D1ADD7E.19223.53A4E2@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <002101c21d8a$4795fee0$d3a9fea9@me> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body From: "Jeff Welton" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 > I can announce that WCTS is finally back in stereo too. You may want to check that - this one's my fault. We're doing some troubleshooting with WCTS Engineering on an intermittent shutback problem in the transmitter - trying to determine if it occurs on the stereo exciter when in stereo, on the stereo exciter when in mono, on the mono exciter, or on two or all of the above. As of mid-last week, the stereo exciter is selected, but switched to mono (although the pilot may still be on). Stay tuned, I'll let you know when we kick this horse and they're back to full stereo, full time. There are no plans to stop broadcasting in stereo that I am aware of, we just need to lick this annoying intermittent first. Transmitter trips about once a day or two, so it's a pig to troubleshoot. Again, I'll keep you posted. Regards, Jeff Welton Nautel Customer Service Dept. Tel.: 1-902-823-3900 ext. 127 Fax: 1-902-823-3183 email: jwelton@nautel.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Jun 27 06:04:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_3); 27 Jun 2002 13:04:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 20634 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2002 13:04:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2002 13:04:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14203.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.145) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2002 13:04:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20020627130453.11729.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 06:04:53 PDT Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 06:04:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RW Letter To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Can somebody send me a copy of my letter in Radio World? I only get the abbreviated email version of RWonline, so I haven't seen my letter and what they edited out (if any) of my letter about AMAX, AMS, and IBOC. Thanks. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Jun 27 06:14:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_3); 27 Jun 2002 13:14:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 33311 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2002 13:14:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2002 13:14:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14203.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.145) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2002 13:14:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20020627131402.14168.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 06:14:02 PDT Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 06:14:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Radio slides downhill To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio The answer is: have real, live local people on the air, broadcast music in AM Stereo, and allow freedom of programming at each station. Here's the problem: Clear Channel Stock Slide Sinks R&R Index The R&R composite index lost another 7% of its value yesterday, closing down 14.81 to 197.58 — its lowest point since Nov. 8, 2001. Some of the blame can be placed on Clear Channel, which dropped almost 10% to close at $35.75 following an afternoon selling surge. The latest down day for CCU shares punctuates an abysmal six months for the company: Clear Channel stock is down 30% since the start of 2002 and is off 33% this month. In fact, CC shares are at their lowest point since late 1997; Clear Channel shares split two-for-one in late July 1998. Other stocks that have seen significant drops in June: Emmis (off 35%), Radio One (off 34%) and Cumulus (off 30%). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From mychucky@funport.net Thu Jun 27 06:41:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mychucky@funport.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_3); 27 Jun 2002 13:41:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 81993 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2002 13:41:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2002 13:41:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.funport.com) (216.199.19.6) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2002 13:41:53 -0000 Received: from FatMusic2000 ([]) by mail.funport.com (Merak 4.4.3) with SMTP id JFB36580 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:39:02 -0400 Message-ID: <001401c21de0$821047a0$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> To: References: <20020627130453.11729.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} RW Letter Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:42:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85836819 X-Yahoo-Profile: mychucky1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I get two copies of radio World, what page is it on and which radio world. chuck www.stereoam.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Johnny Electron To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 9:04 AM Subject: {AMSF} RW Letter Can somebody send me a copy of my letter in Radio World? I only get the abbreviated email version of RWonline, so I haven't seen my letter and what they edited out (if any) of my letter about AMAX, AMS, and IBOC. Thanks. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Jun 27 07:37:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_3); 27 Jun 2002 14:37:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 46826 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2002 14:37:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2002 14:37:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2002 14:37:08 -0000 Received: from Chris1 (unverified [208.228.96.20]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 10:36:04 -0400 Message-ID: <000501c21de8$203d6d70$0d01a8c0@Chris1> To: References: <20020627130453.11729.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> <001401c21de0$821047a0$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> Subject: Re: {AMSF} RW Letter Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 10:37:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I would like to see it also- I no longer subscribe to RW. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 9:42 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} RW Letter > I get two copies of radio World, what page is it on and which radio world. > chuck From mychucky@funport.net Thu Jun 27 07:39:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mychucky@funport.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_3); 27 Jun 2002 14:39:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 94184 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2002 14:39:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2002 14:39:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.funport.com) (216.199.19.6) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2002 14:39:52 -0000 Received: from FatMusic2000 ([]) by mail.funport.com (Merak 4.4.3) with SMTP id JFB36580 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 10:37:02 -0400 Message-ID: <010901c21de8$9bf79f30$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> To: References: <20020627130453.11729.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> <001401c21de0$821047a0$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> <000501c21de8$203d6d70$0d01a8c0@Chris1> Subject: Re: {AMSF} RW Letter Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 10:40:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85836819 X-Yahoo-Profile: mychucky1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Geeeeezzzzzz what issue is it in, I have everyone of them since Hector was a pup. What name did Mr. Electron use? and I will scan it and post it. Chuck at www.stereoam.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Cuff To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 10:37 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} RW Letter I would like to see it also- I no longer subscribe to RW. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 9:42 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} RW Letter > I get two copies of radio World, what page is it on and which radio world. > chuck Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From meridian3891@cs.com Thu Jun 27 08:24:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: meridian3891@cs.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_3); 27 Jun 2002 15:24:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 2262 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2002 15:24:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2002 15:24:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2002 15:24:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2002 15:24:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:24:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Radio slides downhill Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020627131402.14168.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1335 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "onemeridian" X-Originating-IP: 205.166.36.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=48487815 X-Yahoo-Profile: onemeridian One cannot help but wonder if they are pulling the same antics which=20 were pulled by Enron, WorldCom, & Adelphia Cable.........Only time (&=20 the S.E.C.) will tell. Tony Straka --- In amstereoforum@y..., Johnny Electron =20 wrote: > The answer is: have real, live local people on the air, broadcast=20 music in AM > Stereo, and allow freedom of programming at each station. Here's=20 the problem: >=20 > Clear Channel Stock Slide Sinks R&R Index=20 >=20 > The R&R composite index lost another 7% of its value yesterday,=20 closing down > 14.81 to 197.58 =97 its lowest point since Nov. 8, 2001. Some of the=20 blame can be > placed on Clear Channel, which dropped almost 10% to close at=20 $35.75 following > an afternoon selling surge. The latest down day for CCU shares=20 punctuates an > abysmal six months for the company: Clear Channel stock is down 30%=20 since the > start of 2002 and is off 33% this month. In fact, CC shares are at=20 their lowest > point since late 1997; Clear Channel shares split two-for-one in=20 late July > 1998. Other stocks that have seen significant drops in June: Emmis=20 (off 35%), > Radio One (off 34%) and Cumulus (off 30%).=20 >=20 >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From mychucky@funport.net Thu Jun 27 10:12:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mychucky@funport.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_3); 27 Jun 2002 17:12:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 56675 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2002 17:12:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2002 17:12:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.funport.com) (216.199.19.6) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2002 17:12:23 -0000 Received: from FatMusic2000 ([]) by mail.funport.com (Merak 4.4.3) with SMTP id JFB36580 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:09:33 -0400 Message-ID: <001201c21dfd$e6960d00$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio slides downhill Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:13:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85836819 X-Yahoo-Profile: mychucky1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think we could possibly be that lucky for Queer Channel to actually declare bankruptcy and go away like Enron. But where there's life there is hope. ----- Original Message ----- From: onemeridian To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 11:24 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Radio slides downhill One cannot help but wonder if they are pulling the same antics which were pulled by Enron, WorldCom, & Adelphia Cable.........Only time (& the S.E.C.) will tell. Tony Straka --- In amstereoforum@y..., Johnny Electron wrote: > The answer is: have real, live local people on the air, broadcast music in AM > Stereo, and allow freedom of programming at each station. Here's the problem: > > Clear Channel Stock Slide Sinks R&R Index > > The R&R composite index lost another 7% of its value yesterday, closing down > 14.81 to 197.58 - its lowest point since Nov. 8, 2001. Some of the blame can be > placed on Clear Channel, which dropped almost 10% to close at $35.75 following > an afternoon selling surge. The latest down day for CCU shares punctuates an > abysmal six months for the company: Clear Channel stock is down 30% since the > start of 2002 and is off 33% this month. In fact, CC shares are at their lowest > point since late 1997; Clear Channel shares split two-for-one in late July > 1998. Other stocks that have seen significant drops in June: Emmis (off 35%), > Radio One (off 34%) and Cumulus (off 30%). > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From meridian3891@cs.com Thu Jun 27 10:17:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: meridian3891@cs.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_3); 27 Jun 2002 17:17:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 27601 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2002 17:17:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2002 17:17:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2002 17:17:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2002 17:17:06 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 17:17:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Radio slides downhill Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001201c21dfd$e6960d00$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2400 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "onemeridian" X-Originating-IP: 205.166.36.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=48487815 X-Yahoo-Profile: onemeridian --- In amstereoforum@y..., wrote: > I don't think we could possibly be that lucky for Queer Channel to actually declare bankruptcy and go away like Enron. One never knows. With MCI/WorldCom's collapse, I cannot put anything past any corporation anymore. This is the 3rd big corporation to collapse in 7 months. > But where there's life there is hope. Agreed. Let's just sit back & watch (& while we're at it, listen too). Tony KA3SVT > ----- Original Message ----- > From: onemeridian > To: amstereoforum@y... > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 11:24 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Radio slides downhill > > > One cannot help but wonder if they are pulling the same antics which > were pulled by Enron, WorldCom, & Adelphia Cable.........Only time (& > the S.E.C.) will tell. > > Tony Straka > > > --- In amstereoforum@y..., Johnny Electron > wrote: > > The answer is: have real, live local people on the air, broadcast > music in AM > > Stereo, and allow freedom of programming at each station. Here's > the problem: > > > > Clear Channel Stock Slide Sinks R&R Index > > > > The R&R composite index lost another 7% of its value yesterday, > closing down > > 14.81 to 197.58 - its lowest point since Nov. 8, 2001. Some of the > blame can be > > placed on Clear Channel, which dropped almost 10% to close at > $35.75 following > > an afternoon selling surge. The latest down day for CCU shares > punctuates an > > abysmal six months for the company: Clear Channel stock is down 30% > since the > > start of 2002 and is off 33% this month. In fact, CC shares are at > their lowest > > point since late 1997; Clear Channel shares split two-for-one in > late July > > 1998. Other stocks that have seen significant drops in June: Emmis > (off 35%), > > Radio One (off 34%) and Cumulus (off 30%). > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmdx@fastq.com Thu Jun 27 10:47:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_3); 27 Jun 2002 17:47:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 64281 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2002 17:47:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2002 17:47:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2002 17:47:38 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d85-osel.phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.117]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g5RHlan53997 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 10:47:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <041401c21e02$4413a060$b7f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <001201c21dfd$e6960d00$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio slides downhill Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 10:44:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > I don't think we could possibly be that lucky for Queer Channel to actually declare bankruptcy and go away like Enron. While I won't go as far as you have with the name but I will say one thing that I have said for a very long time..... ....c l e a r c h a n n e l s u c k s.... With Global Crossing, Enron and now MCI/WorldCom, and soon to come Qwest, we will see the result of unbridled capitalism in action. Clear Channel is just a small part of the whole problem. With the stock market bubble bursting and this predatory capitalism coming to its fruition, all these big radio corporation chains are going to crash. Sadly though, we are all going to be toast for a while until it all plays out. I see some very difficult times to come in our futures. I am far from anti-capitalism, although it may seem from this message, I am more anti-corporations than anti-capitalist. The ever sucking Clear Channel is just a product of the Clinton years with massive deregulation of the communications field with the passage of the 1996 law. All of this unbridled and predatory capitalism in radio and TV is a direct result of the TCA of 1996. What is even more sad is that Bush's appointee, Michael Powell, Jr. is WORSE than Clintons appointees who were bad and also those like Congressman Cliff Stearns who authored the TCA of 1996. Its gonna get a lot worse before its fixed. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From KC4QLP@aol.com Thu Jun 27 12:15:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_3); 27 Jun 2002 19:15:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 52395 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2002 19:15:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2002 19:15:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2002 19:15:55 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.6e.1eab36da (16783) for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6e.1eab36da.2a4cbe63@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:15:47 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio slides downhill To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 6/27/02 1:18:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, meridian3891@cs.com writes: << --- In amstereoforum@y..., wrote: > I don't think we could possibly be that lucky for ***** Channel to actually declare bankruptcy and go away like Enron. One never knows. With MCI/WorldCom's collapse, I cannot put anything past any corporation anymore. This is the 3rd big corporation to collapse in 7 months. > But where there's life there is hope. Agreed. Let's just sit back & watch (& while we're at it, listen too). Tony KA3SVT >> Do we have to listen?...ugh! that would be one hard task to have to listen to any clear channel station. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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The subject was use of cranes in tower maintenance; Messages Messages Help Reply | Forward | View Source | Unwrap Lines Message 206 of 209 | Previous | Next [ Up Thread ] Message Index Msg # From: "n8uhn" Date: Fri May 31, 2002 7:59 am Subject: Re: RF Hot Crane ADVERTISEMENT one of the non comical responses i got from the "www.broadcast.net" "radio tech" list serv one person suggested useing alot of rubber blocks to isolate personell and equipment from the earth and crane - only problem: how to jump off the rubber (with your hair standing on end) others suggested grounding the crane and mast/boom scroll down for the other suggestion. Bill From: Bix To: "'radio-tech@b...'" Cc: "'r1c1w@a...'" Subject: RE: [RT] rf hot crane! Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 12:39:57 -0400 Reply-To: radio-tech@b... i recall seeing cranes operating in the Meadowlands (home to several hundred kilowatts of AM RF) using an insulated hook in the load line. I don't know exactly what they were using but it appeared to be two hooks joined by rubber strips or something like that. I'm sure north Jersey crane companies can provide information.. ========================================= J. M. "Bix" Bixby Voice: (301) 768-5608 Denny & Associates, P.C. e-fax: (208) 330-4460 6444 Bock Road Oxon Hill, MD 20745 E-Mail: bix@d... ========================================= --- In Broadcast@y..., "rcwallenb" wrote: > Thought you all might be interested in this partial email I received: > > "You can take some comfort in the fact that the crane is probably > doing at least as much to disrupt the broadcast stations' patterns as > the RF is doing to disrupt the crane company's operations. > > I'm told that RF density is so great in Manhattan that RF care > has to be taken in building and in demolishing buildings. I've read > that when a tall building is demolished, workers have sometimes seen > foot long arcs drawn between parting I-beams." > Scary, huh? Marv From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jun 27 14:46:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_3); 27 Jun 2002 21:46:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 92117 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2002 21:46:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2002 21:46:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2002 21:46:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2002 21:46:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 21:46:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Radio slides downhill Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6e.1eab36da.2a4cbe63@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1037 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.70.18 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics In light of this Clear Channel "bashing" I would just like to point out that the fabulous KABL 960 AM Stereo in Oakland, CA, of which you have heard the high quality recordings from the new Fanfare AMAX tuner, is owned by... you guessed it... Clear Channel. Clear-Channel-owned KABL 960 also did some testing of IBOC DAB in the past, after which they made the logical choice to return to broadcasting with the superior analog Motorola C-Quam AM Stereo system. My own prediction is that clear channel will eventually be split up -- whether voluntarily or by forced action -- into two separate companies: one company for radio stations, and another company for concerts, music promotions, and the like (which is becoming an increasing part of Clear Channel's business). In addition to reducing their monopolistic presence, this split-up will also help to reduce their current pseudo-"payola" scheme, where if you want to have your music played on Clear Channel stations, you have to use Clear Channels for your concerts. From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Jun 27 16:20:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_3); 27 Jun 2002 23:20:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 51781 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2002 23:20:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2002 23:20:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2002 23:20:54 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn23.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.27]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 17:20:53 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: UX-1 Example Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 17:20:53 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hummmmmmmmmmmmmm..... You're right Kevin. And actually I heard it too. Although the hum could be coming from several different sources. I think the audio from the transmitter is actually clean. I can listen on my walkman or car radio and not hear it....so I think it's clean. Meanwhile the 12V power supply on the UX-1 could be another story. Which demo did you hear it on? I think there may be hum in the delco from its 12V power supply. And 3rd, I did the other 2 airchecks with the walkmans (walkmen?) sitting right here on my desk.....within a few inches of my monitor and computer....which also causes some humming sometimes. So.....hard to tell from whereth the hum comes.... :) MJR -----Original Message----- From: kevtronics [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:42 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: UX-1 Example > Check it out here at my website: http://www.cajuncomp.com/sounds All three of your recordings sound very good... just you could use better filtering on the DC power supply for your transmitter, in order to get rid of that hum in the background. The easiest way to do this is to get the biggest electrolytic capacitor you can find -- I use one that's 10,000 uF! -- and connect it between the + and - terminals of the DC output of your power supply, observing properly polarity of course (or else it will blow up!!). That should get rid of the hum! Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Thu Jun 27 16:41:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_3); 27 Jun 2002 23:41:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 67310 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2002 23:41:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2002 23:41:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2002 23:41:43 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g5RNiY0c088916 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 19:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D1BA1DB.1DE867B7@skyweb.net> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 19:38:03 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} NYC, an RF minefield References: From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Marv.... HA..by trade Im a Union Electrician in NYC sorry to say I.B.E.W #3 when I am Employed. when Im not that's when I play broadcast Engineer(second job) The Only time in my 20 years in construction I have seen Arcing Between Beams while demolishing a building is Because Someone failed to Remove the Main power to the building and there was an Unbalanced Neutral.. between the adjoining Buildings, and the potential between Neutral and the building steel Caused a flash Over.. at 277 and 480 Vac Its Quite cool to see happen.. as long as your Not near it.... also In NY there is allot of 4160 Vac in the Older buildings downtown to run pumps or printing presses... So if you really Believe that story about the Arc was because of the amount of RF in the City... Then you Must Believe me when I tell you 77 WABC is Not Running 50 kW Of RF Power into their antenna.. They have a Rack of 5 Crown 10K Audio amps, and are Running 50,000 powerful Watts of Sound... at least that's what Curtis Slewa keeps telling The WABC Listeners.... gee I wish I had that for My P.A. system.. Neal > > I'm told that RF density is so great in Manhattan that RF care > > has to be taken in building and in demolishing buildings. I've > read > > that when a tall building is demolished, workers have sometimes > seen > > foot long arcs drawn between parting I-beams." > > > > Scary, huh? > > Marv > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jun 27 17:24:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_3); 28 Jun 2002 00:24:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 18180 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2002 00:24:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2002 00:24:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2002 00:24:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2002 00:24:32 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 00:24:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: UX-1 Example Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1749 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.70.18 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Hummmmmmmmmmmmmm..... > You're right Kevin. And actually I heard it too. Although the hum > could be coming from several different sources. I think the audio > from the transmitter is actually clean. I can listen on my walkman > or car radio and not hear it....so I think it's clean. The reason why I think the hum is coming from the transmitter is that I hear it in all three recordings (although it is loudest in the Delco UX-1 clip), and it is almost entirely contained only in the L-R component of the audio. Thus, if you play back these clips in Mono, which cancels out the L-R component, the hum goes away. If the hum were coming from the Delco's power supply, you'd hear it even in mono. Also, I have heard this same type of hum from my Alfredo Lite transmitter until I added extra filtering to its power supply. AM transmitters are very sensitive to the quality of their DC power supply. If there is any hum, it will get transmitted, even if you can't hear it from any other audio device powered by the same supply. So unless you have a power supply with a very "clean" output, you will probably have to install extra filtering capacitor(s) to clean up the DC and get rid of the hum in your signal. I've found that a total of 10,000 uF worth of filtering capacitance is needed to totally get rid of the hum from an Alfredo Lite transmitter (although I've gotten by with a 4300 uF capacitor with only a small amount of hum). Also, switching-type power supplies (such as used for computers) are not recommended because they generate lots of RF interference. A properly designed linear-type DC power supply will not generate any RF noise and is the best to use for anything related to AM or shortwave radio. From fanfare@globility.com Thu Jun 27 17:42:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_3); 28 Jun 2002 00:42:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 18825 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2002 00:42:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2002 00:42:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2002 00:42:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2002 00:42:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 00:42:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} NYC, an RF minefield Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D1BA1DB.1DE867B7@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2229 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amfmguy" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.233.125 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy Actually, the story on the broadcast forum was a bit of a lark. In fact, they all seemed a little tongue-on-cheek. Cetainly, your explanation makes a great deal more sense. They actually used 4160VAC for heavy equipment. I knew of 500VAC. Tat's a heckuva lotta jolts to be putting into a motor. I guess the older printing presses could soak up a lot of juice if they only used single phase motors. Anyhow, thanks for clarifying the issue. M. --- In amstereoforum@y..., Neal Newman wrote: > Hey Marv.... > > HA..by trade Im a Union Electrician in NYC sorry to say I.B.E.W #3 when > I am Employed. when Im not that's when I play broadcast Engineer (second > job) > The Only time in my 20 years in construction I have seen Arcing Between > Beams while demolishing a building is Because Someone failed to Remove > the Main power to the building and there was an Unbalanced Neutral.. > between the adjoining Buildings, and the potential between Neutral and > the building steel Caused a flash Over.. at 277 and 480 Vac Its Quite > cool to see happen.. as long as your Not near it.... also In NY there is > allot of 4160 Vac in the Older buildings downtown to run pumps or > printing presses... > So if you really Believe that story about the Arc was because of the > amount of RF in the City... > Then you Must Believe me when I tell you 77 WABC is Not Running 50 kW Of > RF Power into their antenna.. They have a Rack of 5 Crown 10K Audio > amps, and are Running 50,000 powerful Watts of Sound... at least that's > what Curtis Slewa keeps telling The WABC Listeners.... > gee I wish I had that for My P.A. system.. > Neal > > > > > I'm told that RF density is so great in Manhattan that RF care > > > has to be taken in building and in demolishing buildings. I've > > read > > > that when a tall building is demolished, workers have sometimes > > seen > > > foot long arcs drawn between parting I-beams." > > > > > > > Scary, huh? > > > > Marv > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Thu Jun 27 17:51:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_3); 28 Jun 2002 00:51:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 45192 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2002 00:51:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2002 00:51:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2002 00:51:48 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g5S0sc0c096604 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 20:54:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D1BB244.643FB9F7@skyweb.net> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 20:48:04 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} NYC, an RF minefield References: From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually its more efficient to run Heavy equipment at 4160 Vac.... It may be a higher voltage... But it actually uses Less current and produces a higher torque Motor than using a standard 480 Vac 3 phase motor... that's why Super Cranes run 4160 Vac. Instead of diesel Motors... they can lift More tonnage. Neal amfmguy wrote: > Actually, the story on the broadcast forum was a bit of a lark. In > fact, they all seemed a little tongue-on-cheek. Cetainly, your > explanation makes a great deal more sense. They actually used 4160VAC > for heavy equipment. I knew of 500VAC. Tat's a heckuva lotta jolts to > be putting into a motor. I guess the older printing presses could > soak up a lot of juice if they only used single phase motors. > > Anyhow, thanks for clarifying the issue. > > M. > > --- In amstereoforum@y..., Neal Newman wrote: > > Hey Marv.... > > > > HA..by trade Im a Union Electrician in NYC sorry to say I.B.E.W #3 > when > > I am Employed. when Im not that's when I play broadcast Engineer > (second > > job) > > The Only time in my 20 years in construction I have seen Arcing > Between > > Beams while demolishing a building is Because Someone failed to > Remove > > the Main power to the building and there was an Unbalanced Neutral.. > > > between the adjoining Buildings, and the potential between Neutral > and > > the building steel Caused a flash Over.. at 277 and 480 Vac Its > Quite > > cool to see happen.. as long as your Not near it.... also In NY > there is > > allot of 4160 Vac in the Older buildings downtown to run pumps or > > printing presses... > > So if you really Believe that story about the Arc was because of > the > > amount of RF in the City... > > Then you Must Believe me when I tell you 77 WABC is Not Running 50 > kW Of > > RF Power into their antenna.. They have a Rack of 5 Crown 10K Audio > > amps, and are Running 50,000 powerful Watts of Sound... at least > that's > > what Curtis Slewa keeps telling The WABC Listeners.... > > gee I wish I had that for My P.A. system.. > > Neal > > > > > > > > I'm told that RF density is so great in Manhattan that RF care > > > > has to be taken in building and in demolishing buildings. I've > > > read > > > > that when a tall building is demolished, workers have sometimes > > > seen > > > > foot long arcs drawn between parting I-beams." > > > > > > > > > > Scary, huh? > > > > > > Marv > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Thu Jun 27 20:01:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24392 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2002 03:01:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2002 03:01:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2002 03:01:16 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2002 03:01:15 -0000 Date: 28 Jun 2002 03:01:15 -0000 Message-ID: <1025233275.52789.83329.w17@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /NDXE(R~1.jpg Uploaded by : onemeridian Description : This is an ad for NDXE, a shortwave station which was going to transmit in stereo. The 1986 edition of WRTH has this full page ad on page 45. Unfortunately, the station never got on the air; ground was never broken. This file displays the ad in its actual size. You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/NDXE%28R%7E1.jpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, onemeridian From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Thu Jun 27 20:06:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 82261 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2002 03:06:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2002 03:06:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2002 03:06:45 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2002 03:06:44 -0000 Date: 28 Jun 2002 03:06:43 -0000 Message-ID: <1025233603.261129.78464.w2@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /NDXE(B~1.jpg Uploaded by : onemeridian Description : This is an ad for NDXE, a shortwave station which was going to transmit in stereo. The 1986 edition of WRTH has this full page ad on page 45. Unfortunately, the station never got on the air; ground was never broken. This file displays a larger version of the ad to allow reading of the smaller print. You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/NDXE%28B%7E1.jpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, onemeridian From meridian3891@cs.com Thu Jun 27 20:17:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: meridian3891@cs.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_3); 28 Jun 2002 03:17:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 46978 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2002 03:17:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2002 03:17:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2002 03:17:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2002 03:17:03 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 03:17:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: short-wave stations - any in stereo? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1407 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "onemeridian" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.195.183 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=48487815 X-Yahoo-Profile: onemeridian --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Zyberfred" wrote: > I have often wondered if any of the big short wave radio stations > have ever tried to transmit in stereo. It should be technically > feasable to use the C-Quam system as short wave is an AM system. But > the bandwidth by international regulation is only 5 Khz. > Year ago i heard of a US station that was planning to transmit in > stereo but never heard what happened to their plans. > I would like to hear from others on what thye think of short wave > stereo. > > Thank you > Fred Lehmann > WA0PBL Sioux Falls, SD Hi Fred! I just added 2 files of the ad for a station which never materialized--NDXE. It was supposed to be located in Opelika, Alabama, from where it was to broadcast music, sports, & be the "top 40/pop" type of radio station on shortwave. Under the guidance of H. Dixon Norman, NDXE would have utilized a log periodic antenna, & used the Kahn (ISB) system of stereo. Sadly, Norman never delivered, NDXE never made it to the airwaves, ground was never broken, & the full page ad in the 1986 edition of WRTH was never even paid for. I remember cutting a few lawns that summer to get $$ for a 2nd SW receiver for this purpose; I was 14 back then. The lawns were cut, a 2nd radio was bought, yet no NDXE (let alone in stereo). Tony From n0uiheric@aol.com Thu Jun 27 20:56:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_3); 28 Jun 2002 03:56:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 58796 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2002 03:56:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2002 03:56:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.5) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2002 03:56:13 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.93.1f39be7d (18251) for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 23:56:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <93.1f39be7d.2a4d385a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 23:56:10 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio slides downhill To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih It's time to GET RID OF COMMERCIAL RADIO! 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From dav259@csiro.au Fri Jun 28 01:23:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_3); 28 Jun 2002 08:23:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 30844 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2002 08:23:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2002 08:23:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2002 08:23:38 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14231 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:23:37 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:23:36 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: Re: AM stereo Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public The new community licensee of 400w stationX on Australia's Gold Coast is not considering AMS. Pity! The Gold Coast is a 30 mile stretch of great surf beaches in the subtropics not too far south of Brisbane - in some ways very similar to Florida's Treaure Coast and Sun Coast. It's the fastest growing "city" in Oz with about 350,000 people. This is a great shame as our GC is getting more like Canada - in that there's not one full power AM station left. Even the metropolitan ABC station is FM. But Brisbane's 4QR, 4TAB, and 4KQ still boom in - as does 2MW - northern NSW. And 4BH from Brissie - but very weakly. And - no - I don't understand ... :( Ian - Melbourne ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 23:17:18 +1000 From: Peter Tate To: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: AM stereo Hi Ian I'm sorry but the answer is NO we will not be in AM stereo. The benefits of the extra audio upto the full 7 or so khz etc etc is also not alowed with these licenses. We must roll it off at 4.5 khz , the puriests would carry on with this but I'm one that would rather a GOOD solid signal in mono. But who knows the future holds lots of things for all of us. With the pending standard for <30mhz for ALL HF Broadcasting is very exciting. It would leave AM stereo for dead. Now let's do some simple sums. People with AM stereo recivers vs paying new ones. MM not much difference! Hey I'm actually for it! But we also need to concider the cost on the BOTTLES in the TXERs. Since most still use old value TXers. This with revenue being less on the band as well as other factors like only being 400watts. I hope you understand! Regards, peter tate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Davidson" To: Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 9:07 AM Subject: AM stereo > Hi > > Is there any chance that stationX will broadcast in C-quam AM stereo? > > Good Luck! > > Ian > www.amstereoradio.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ian Davidson _--_|\ home: 03 9534 8786 > 41 Smith Street / \ work: 03 9545 8717 > St. Kilda Beach Vic 3182 \_.--.*/ mobile: 0421 500 720 > Australia v ian.davidson@csiro.au > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From dav259@csiro.au Fri Jun 28 01:53:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_3); 28 Jun 2002 08:53:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 54265 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2002 08:53:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2002 08:53:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2002 08:53:38 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14296; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:53:35 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:53:35 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Cc: Steve Dinius , Ben Lennard Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio slides downhill In-Reply-To: <93.1f39be7d.2a4d385a@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 n0uiheric@aol.com wrote: > It's time to GET RID OF COMMERCIAL RADIO! Eric - as I've said to Steve more than once ... Keep you hat on! btw - even some capital city AM radio in Oz is being networked. The Oz Media Supplement yesterday had an article on Sydney's 2SM morning talkback session. The host - a successful Sydney talkback host of many years - left Sydney for Perth (about the distance from LA to Toledo) several years back and was a top rater in Perth. He was coaxed back to 2SM Sydney a couple of years ago but hated the rat race which is Sydney - preferring the relaxed ambiance of the WA capital. So now he's moved back to Perth and does the whole 3 hours from his sound proofed study in Perth. Similarly Perth's "local" Ten TV Network News eminates from Sydney - and Adelaide's "local" 10 News comes out of Melbourne. The reason given is that the (Canadian owned) Ten Network can't afford more that two properly purpose built digital-TV newsrooms - amd Melbourne and Sydney were the winners. It's a shame our ABA (FCC) doesn't put its foot down. btw2 - Ben - I was sorry also to read of the last evening newspaper in Oz and NZ has just closed down ... ooopps ... merged with the morning paper. The Wellington Post has gone to God. It was a good read. And guess who is the major player - the ubiquitous Rupert Murdoch. Funny about that. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Jun 28 06:43:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_3); 28 Jun 2002 13:43:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 76695 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2002 13:43:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2002 13:43:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2002 13:43:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20020628133916.76276.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 06:39:16 PDT Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 06:39:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Time to comment on how TCA 1996 has hurt AM Stereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio We need to comment on this one - write your Congressman! From RW: "Date posted: 2002-06-27 Feingold Takes On ‘Payola,’ Consolidation Is it payola? Could it cost you your station license? Democrat Sen. Russ Feingold wants to ban what some artists call payola-like practices. He also wants to take a hard look at the impact of radio consolidation. He admits there’s little time on the legislative calendar for Congress to pass a measure this session, but vowed to stick with the issue as long as it takes. NAB opposes the measure. The bill directs the FCC to revoke the license of a station that uses its cross-ownership of promotion services or venues to discriminate against musicians, concert promoters or other radio stations. Further, it would require the FCC to study the effects of consolidation on independent radio stations, concert promoters and consumers and would ban an increase in the local radio ownership limits. A representative from the American Federation of Television and Radio Artists said the measure would correct what some artists see as a big problem: “Artists can’t get access to the airwaves unless they’re prepared to buy their way” on the radio. The legislation is called the “Competition in Radio and Concert Industries Act.” Feingold said he introduced it because “I’ve been hearing from independent radio stations and concert promoters in Wisconsin who are being pushed out by anti-competitive practices, that are, in turn, a result of concentration.” Feingold mentioned Clear Channel’s name several times; the company repeatedly has stated that its practices are legal. Look for a hearing in the Senate Commerce Committee soon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From shelswartz@yahoo.com Fri Jun 28 08:05:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: shelswartz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_3); 28 Jun 2002 15:05:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 89579 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2002 15:05:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2002 15:05:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14911.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.225.249) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2002 15:05:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20020628150513.22345.qmail@web14911.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.32.197.157] by web14911.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 08:05:13 PDT Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 08:05:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio slides downhill To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <93.1f39be7d.2a4d385a@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Shel Swartz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91652391 X-Yahoo-Profile: shelswartz > "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 > Timothy 6:10 AMEN! (pastor shel) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Jun 28 10:16:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_3); 28 Jun 2002 17:16:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 56535 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2002 17:16:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2002 17:16:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2002 17:16:05 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn5.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.9]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 11:16:05 -0600 To: Subject: Trip Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 11:16:06 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all Heading up to Anaconda, Montana for the weekend and into Monday to do some technical work at the stations up there. Will be doing some DXing and checking for stereo all along the way. Maybe get a few air checks while I'm there. Should have some corrections for the AMS stations list. Not sure that KOUU 1290 in Pocatello is stereo...but will know in a couple of hours. Will be listening for KUPI 980 in Idaho Falls in glorious stereo. And once I get there I should be able to pick up KMTX 950 from Helena. KMTX's web site (www.kmtxradio.com) even includes "AM STEREO" in their logo. So I'm hoping they are and will find out. Any other AMS finds along the way will be noted. Will have internet access the whole time so I'll post any info as it develops. Happy trails MJR in WYO heading to MT [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Jun 28 19:14:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 29 Jun 2002 02:14:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 56969 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2002 02:14:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2002 02:14:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2002 02:14:57 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-179.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.179]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g5T2CNIh016275 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 21:12:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001f01c21f13$541e3260$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020627130453.11729.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} RW Letter Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 21:18:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Which edition? The latest I have is something like June 16, and I can't find what looks like his letter. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnny Electron" To: Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 8:04 AM Subject: {AMSF} RW Letter > Can somebody send me a copy of my letter in Radio World? I only get the > abbreviated email version of RWonline, so I haven't seen my letter and what > they edited out (if any) of my letter about AMAX, AMS, and IBOC. > Thanks. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Jun 28 19:20:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 29 Jun 2002 02:20:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 48030 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2002 02:20:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2002 02:20:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2002 02:20:27 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-179.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.179]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g5T2HrIh016958 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 21:17:54 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002f01c21f14$18d64de0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <001201c21dfd$e6960d00$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio slides downhill Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 21:24:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Amen, bro. BTW, welcome aboard Chuck. If CC does go belly-up, however, I suspect a few of those AMs will be gobbled up by some other AMS-unfriendly group. (That's the one downside of the group I work for, though in many ways they're a great company to work for.) Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: > I don't think we could possibly be that lucky for Queer Channel to actually declare bankruptcy and go away like Enron. > But where there's life there is hope. From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Jun 28 19:26:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 29 Jun 2002 02:26:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 14767 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2002 02:26:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2002 02:26:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2002 02:26:37 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-179.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.179]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g5T2O3Ih017761 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 21:24:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003f01c21f14$f519a220$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio slides downhill Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 21:30:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude And let's not forget Milwaukee's WOKY is CC and stereo. Just got back from there and the market still has three AMS stations- WOKY 920- nostalgia, WMCS 1290- R&B; WKSH 1640- contemporary praise and worship. (Got a peek at WKSH too.) ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevtronics" > In light of this Clear Channel "bashing" I would just like to point > out that the fabulous KABL 960 AM Stereo in Oakland, CA, of which you > have heard the high quality recordings from the new Fanfare AMAX > tuner, is owned by... you guessed it... Clear Channel. From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Jun 28 19:30:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 29 Jun 2002 02:30:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 7693 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2002 02:30:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2002 02:30:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2002 02:30:02 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-179.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.179]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g5T2RSIh018114 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 21:27:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004701c21f15$6f504120$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <001201c21dfd$e6960d00$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> <041401c21e02$4413a060$b7f9bed8@kredding430cdt> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio slides downhill Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 21:34:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Kevin, you and I are rather rare breeds. You're a liberal who acknowleges that big government isn't usually going to solve anything, and I'm a conservative who believes that business can also get too big. Truth seems to be that just about anything can only get so large before it goes to seed. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevin" > I see some very difficult times to come in our futures. I am far from > anti-capitalism, although it may seem from this message, I am more > anti-corporations than anti-capitalist. From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Jun 28 19:53:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 29 Jun 2002 02:53:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 89280 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2002 02:53:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2002 02:53:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2002 02:53:49 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-179.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.179]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g5T2pFIh021492 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 21:51:16 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <008801c21f18$c20b6cc0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <93.1f39be7d.2a4d385a@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio slides downhill Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 21:57:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude And replace it with what? Capitalism isn't bad until it's allowed to turn into a predatory monopoly. Certainly a few anti-trust laws (and a legislature willing to enforce them!) can correct that problem. If you think it should be government run, you don't know your radio history. Pretty much all state run media that lacks commercial competition is dull and lifeless. Back in the 30's the BBC was rather shocked to find out that most Brits preferred listening to the commercial Radio Luxembourg. If it's to be privately run non-profits, just how much in the way of begathons are you willing to put up with? The *love* of money may be the root of all evil, but without it we wouldn't have much of an economy. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: > It's time to GET RID OF COMMERCIAL RADIO! From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Jun 28 19:56:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 29 Jun 2002 02:56:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 65697 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2002 02:56:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2002 02:56:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2002 02:56:37 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-179.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.179]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g5T2s3Ih021834 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 21:54:05 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <009401c21f19$26852a60$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <003f01c21f14$f519a220$d3a9fea9@me> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio slides downhill Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 22:00:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude One bit of possibly bad news I forgot to post was that I noticed WRPQ 740 Baraboo was mono. Will have to write them and find out what's up before declaring them an offender. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" To: Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 9:30 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio slides downhill > And let's not forget Milwaukee's WOKY is CC and stereo. Just got back from > there and the market still has three AMS stations From jsgil@hal-pc.org Fri Jun 28 20:06:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 29 Jun 2002 03:06:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 61588 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2002 03:06:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2002 03:06:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2002 03:06:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2002 03:06:06 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 03:06:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: MC13028 Decoder Board Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 275 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst Finally finished the documentation and schematic for my 13028 decoder board. I would have had it done sooner but had to reinstall my OS. It is 816KB but it shouldn't take too long to download over a 56K modem. http://www.hal-pc.org/~jsgil/AM-Stereo/MC13028-Decoder.zip JSG From dav259@csiro.au Fri Jun 28 21:20:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 29 Jun 2002 04:20:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 81416 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2002 04:20:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2002 04:20:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2002 04:20:10 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16491 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 14:20:08 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 14:20:08 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio slides downhill In-Reply-To: <004701c21f15$6f504120$d3a9fea9@me> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, Scott Todd wrote: > Kevin R, you and I are rather rare breeds. Yes - but both doing good things in you own ways. > You're a liberal who acknowleges > that big government isn't usually going to solve anything, There are some things that only big governments can do better than any private outfits as there's no immediately available profits. > and I'm a > conservative who believes that business can also get too big. ditto > Truth seems > to be that just about anything can only get so large before it goes to seed. We in Oz live in a socialist/capitalist state - and get the best of both worlds. > Back in the 30's the BBC was rather shocked to find out that > most Brits preferred listening to the commercial Radio Luxembourg. If > it's to be privately run non-profits, just how much in the way of > begathons are you willing to put up with? The *love* of money may be > the root of all evil, but without it we wouldn't have much of an > economy. The wonderful thing about "free" government run radio is that it "keeps the bastards honest" (the slogan of our Democrats Party). Our Aussie governments - state and federal - have virtually sold off everything except telecommunications and water. And we are the worse for it. When we had state owned banks - and the Commonwealth Bank - all private banks behaved themselves. Now you're lucky to get a decent deal from any (privately owned) bank. You're almost lucky if you can talk over the phone to anyone at your own bank. There should be a mix. The goverment enterprises should run a profit making service for the good of the country. And the private industry lots can run the same types of services making bigger profits by being more ruthless. Why doesn't the US have a public service run network of radio stations? NPR is bloody good - but you lot deserve better. Our ABC runs six radio networks. Radio National - gets about 2% of the ratings with national serious talk. ABC Cassic FM - same ratings (and possibly not necessary). Tripple J - a national network for youth radio (talkback and new music) - and rating about 4% playing stuff nobody else would touch. Newsradio - 24/7 news station (which has to broadcast parliament that used to be on our metro ABC stations). The Regional Network - local programming from heaps of localised regional stations - taking regular feeds as well from metro stations. The metro stations - 3LO, 4QR, 5AN, 6WF etc. The local ABC station in each capital city generally rating between 8% and 10% - and keeping the local bastards honest. (Usually in the top three or four in the ratings.) We have a great radio system here. God bless our ABC! Ian - Melbourne From amfmdx@fastq.com Fri Jun 28 23:55:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 29 Jun 2002 06:55:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 89039 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2002 06:55:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2002 06:55:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2002 06:55:42 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d196-osel-phx.fastq.com [209.63.214.183]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g5T6tfn92322 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 23:55:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <06ce01c21f38$dddd6960$b7f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <001201c21dfd$e6960d00$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> <041401c21e02$4413a060$b7f9bed8@kredding430cdt> <004701c21f15$6f504120$d3a9fea9@me> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio slides downhill Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 23:47:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Kevin, you and I are rather rare breeds. You're a liberal who acknowleges > that big government isn't usually going to solve anything, and I'm a > conservative who believes that business can also get too big. Scott, I am a true southern Democrat of the type before 1960. Compared to modern Dems, I am right of Attila the Hun. Capitalism is not a bad thing but without restraint it can become a bad thing. Socialism unrestrained is a bad thing also. Its hard to hold both in check. On the above statement of yours, I would have to say that we agree. I am going to leave this topic where it is before we get too far away from the lists purpose. There was an interesting news story on NPRs "Marketplace" the other day about CCU and they minced no words. Its nice to see them getting skewered again. It was also nice to see Senator Feingold going after CCU. Get ready to see them in front of the Senate soon. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From alinton@esatclear.ie Sat Jun 29 05:09:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: alinton@esatclear.ie X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 29 Jun 2002 12:09:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 22159 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2002 12:09:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2002 12:09:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO davros) (194.145.134.245) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2002 12:09:15 -0000 Received: from Spooler by davros (Mercury/32 v3.30) ID MO000366; 29 Jun 02 13:09:15 +0100 Received: from spooler by totalbroadcast.net (Mercury/32 v3.30); 29 Jun 02 13:09:09 +0100 Received: from fr1.esatclear.ie (192.168.0.1) by davros (Mercury/32 v3.30) with ESMTP ID MG000365; 29 Jun 02 13:08:59 +0100 Message-Id: <5.1.1.2.2.20020629130622.00aa8c78@FR1> X-Sender: alinton@FR1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1.3 (Beta) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 13:08:59 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM Radio in my Jap car In-Reply-To: <22457-3D15CC97-40@storefull-2114.public.lawson.webtv.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Andy Linton X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10800314 X-Yahoo-Profile: alinton1_ie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, Well I'm afraid that when my Japanese Domestic Market car arrived this week, the radio is not AMS. It's a very nice Pioneer unit, double-DIN size, with a 6-disc CD changer in the trunk, but strictly AM mono. It's going in the trash, though, cos those Japs use 76-84 MHz for the FM band! pity, huh? ----------------------------------- Andy Linton alinton@esatclear.ie Waterford, Ireland ---------- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 13/06/2002 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jun 29 10:54:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 29 Jun 2002 17:54:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 66546 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2002 17:54:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2002 17:54:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2002 17:54:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2002 17:54:53 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 17:54:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1430 WNSW back in full Stereo Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1572 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Kudos to Multicultural Broadcasting for bringing full-separation AM STEREO sound back to 1430 WNSW in Newark, NJ. I just tuned them in and now they're playing something that sounds like Polish techno music, with beautiful true Stereo sound with excellent separation and sound quality. Neal, I guess they got jealous of you adding Stereo to 1680 WTTM, so they decided to do the same with WNSW! I can get 1430 and 1680 about equally well on my Chrysler "Infinity Gold" AM Stereo car radio, but of course 1430 WNSW now has the edge with their true Stereo sound. Also, the ongoing talk of the new Fanfare AMAX AM Stereo tuner may have people wondering when they can get a radio with this kind of extremely high quality for their car... well, if your car has space to put in a full-size Chrysler radio, you already can! Any Chrysler radio from about 1994 to present with a 5-band graphic equalizer and speaker "joystick" fader control will have the BEST sounding AM Stereo I have ever heard from a car radio, with full AMAX frequency response, automatically variable bandwidth depending on signal strength, a "Noise Immune" AM Stereo signal detector, and full coverage of the Expanded Band to 1710 kHz. These radios are often labelled "Infinity" or "Infinity Gold" but even a regular version should have AM Stereo as long as it has the "joystick" and 5-band equalizer. Here is an example of what the cassette version looks like, although Chrysler has also offered a CD player version of it: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kevtronics/infcass.jpg From shelswartz@yahoo.com Sat Jun 29 11:30:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: shelswartz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 29 Jun 2002 18:30:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 26275 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2002 18:30:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2002 18:30:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14914.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.225.241) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2002 18:30:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20020629183015.27714.qmail@web14914.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.86.172.150] by web14914.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 11:30:15 PDT Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 11:30:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: UX-1 Example To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Shel Swartz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91652391 X-Yahoo-Profile: shelswartz For what it's worth, the hum was there, but the audio itself sounded just like FM stereo. Period. Make sme want to go out and find some 10-watt AM stereo xmtr so I can broadcast around my small neighborhood..... not that I'm a pirate or anything. There are about 5 or so pirates in my area the FCC seems to be yawning about. I reported them some time ago. But pirates come and go here... all of which are FM and even FM stereo these days! All of which are broadcasting in Spanish or Creole. I would just want the 10 watts so I could listen outside of my house without having to put up an antenna, which I can't do here. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From fanfare@globility.com Sat Jun 29 11:58:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 29 Jun 2002 18:58:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 84477 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2002 18:58:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2002 18:58:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2002 18:58:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2002 18:58:27 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 18:58:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1430 WNSW back in full Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2651 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amfmguy" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.233.20 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy I'm sure the Chrysler (now DC) radio you're talking about would be good. Up until recently, I believe they were using the AMAX cookbook combination from Motorola. Then they went mono sometime towards the end of the century. I love that term....it automatically ascribes an historical flavor. In any event, they're not using that configuration any more. And, based on what I've learned they are using, I think you can place the auto radio from DC back amongst the huddled masses. The last AMS stereo radio I owned was the Delco system I had in my '92 LeSabre. I've not seen an AMS radio in any GM car since then. And there's not one in my wife's '94 Regal. Anybody correct me, please. (I'm still smarting about getting a B- in Electric Machines in College. :-)) As for the AMAX tuner from Fanfare becoming a car radio, I guess time will tell, won't it. Maybe we should float an IPO ;-) (just kidding) Anyhow, let's hear it for WNSW!! M. --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > Kudos to Multicultural Broadcasting for bringing full-separation > AM STEREO sound back to 1430 WNSW in Newark, NJ. I just tuned them > in and now they're playing something that sounds like Polish techno > music, with beautiful true Stereo sound with excellent separation and > sound quality. Neal, I guess they got jealous of you adding Stereo > to 1680 WTTM, so they decided to do the same with WNSW! I can get > 1430 and 1680 about equally well on my Chrysler "Infinity Gold" > AM Stereo car radio, but of course 1430 WNSW now has the edge with > their true Stereo sound. > > Also, the ongoing talk of the new Fanfare AMAX AM Stereo tuner may > have people wondering when they can get a radio with this kind of > extremely high quality for their car... well, if your car has space to > put in a full-size Chrysler radio, you already can! Any Chrysler radio > from about 1994 to present with a 5-band graphic equalizer and speaker > "joystick" fader control will have the BEST sounding AM Stereo I have > ever heard from a car radio, with full AMAX frequency response, > automatically variable bandwidth depending on signal strength, a > "Noise Immune" AM Stereo signal detector, and full coverage of the > Expanded Band to 1710 kHz. > > These radios are often labelled "Infinity" or "Infinity Gold" but even > a regular version should have AM Stereo as long as it has the > "joystick" and 5-band equalizer. Here is an example of what the > cassette version looks like, although Chrysler has also offered a > CD player version of it: > > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kevtronics/infcass.jpg From shelswartz@yahoo.com Sat Jun 29 12:02:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: shelswartz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 29 Jun 2002 19:02:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 49324 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2002 19:02:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2002 19:02:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14907.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.225.59) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2002 19:02:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20020629190224.77815.qmail@web14907.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.86.172.150] by web14907.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 12:02:24 PDT Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 12:02:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: AM exciters may be available To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Shel Swartz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91652391 X-Yahoo-Profile: shelswartz A colleague of mine (an old engineering friend) who works in my area of South Florida just told me he has a few AM stereo exciters "laying around his shop." They require a whip antenna and have RCA inputs so it's matter of plugging it in and running it. Plug 'n play?? Anyway, he doesn't know the power output... but says he'll pick up one for me to look at in about a week. Atthat time he'll give me the brands, etc. He did tell me that they are user-tunable; not crystal-controlled Knowing my friend, who is a real 1st Class license holder and has been doing this for some 30 years, they came out of some stations no longer doing AM stereo, and are therefore legit and working. That's all I can tell you.... I may be able to buy one from him, but he doesn't know what to sell them for. I'll wait for details on the specs, but I was told they run at 5 volts and if I can get maybe 5 watts out of one, I'll likely buy one. Any of you guys have any idea what, say, a broadcast-quality AM exciter is worth of (guessing) 5 watts? Thanks! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Jun 29 15:24:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 29 Jun 2002 22:24:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 60276 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2002 22:24:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2002 22:24:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2002 22:24:22 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.76.1e73227c (25308) for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 18:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <76.1e73227c.2a4f8d90@aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 18:24:16 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Radio in my Jap car To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 6/29/02 8:10:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, alinton@esatclear.ie writes: << Hi all, Well I'm afraid that when my Japanese Domestic Market car arrived this week, the radio is not AMS. It's a very nice Pioneer unit, double-DIN size, with a 6-disc CD changer in the trunk, but strictly AM mono. It's going in the trash, though, cos those Japs use 76-84 MHz for the FM band! pity, huh? >> Trash?,...it might be convertable to the stand USA FM band.....I'm sure there's some documentation on the net somewheres....certainly the AM side is convertable to AM Stereo ... If the radio is no good to you..send it this way.......! Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! 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The problem is the DSP chips that all the radios use now have no access to the preamp, and use one mono feed line for the signal. I have given up on the newer Ford radios as well- same situation, and no one can obtain schematics.. The precious few places that DO have schematics will not allow me to see them. (as if anyone in their right mind would even consider "bootlegging" a car stereo...) Aftermarket radios are about the same- I can no longer convert Kenwood, Pioneer or Sony radios. My Delco/Delphi radio (2002 Malibu) is not convertable. This radio is so bad on AM, it is shameful.... absolute mud. Chris (Phones are back!) ----- Original Message ----- From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jun 29 16:37:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 29 Jun 2002 23:37:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 35832 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2002 23:37:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2002 23:37:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2002 23:37:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2002 23:37:27 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 23:37:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1430 WNSW back in full Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3017 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.67.19 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I'm sure the Chrysler (now DC) radio you're talking about would be > good. Up until recently, I believe they were using the AMAX cookbook > combination from Motorola. The AMAX-type Chrysler radios use the Motorola MC13022 decoder chip with auto-variable bandwidth depending on signal strength. Strong signals will provide full 10 kHz AMAX bandwidth (with a sharp notch filter right at 10 kHz to cut out the carrier whistle), while weaker signals provide a progressively narrower bandwidth, down to about 5 kHz (still better than many "normal" AM radios). Does the Fanfare tuner use this kind of system, or does it offer fixed "Narrow" and "Wide" modes? One odd feature of these radios is that on both AM and FM, the radio will often pop into Stereo mode about half a second *before* the "ST" indicator lights up. Also, due to the Stereo Blend feature, very weak signals may show the "ST" indicator on, but you won't hear Stereo sound until the signal is strong enough to provide it without excessive noise or "platform motion". Still, it is quite sensitive and will deliver good Stereo sound even from distant stations. > Then they went mono sometime towards the end of the century. I love > that term....it automatically ascribes an historical flavor. In any > event, they're not using that configuration any more. And, based on > what I've learned they are using, I think you can place the auto > radio from DC back amongst the huddled masses. What happened is that Chrysler phased out production of the AMAX-type cassette and CD receivers in favor of the combined CD/cassette radio, known as the "RAZ" model. This newer model still has AM Stereo using the Motorola MC10322 chip, however it is now fixed in the narrow bandwidth mode all the time, with sound quality similar to the first generation of Chrysler AM Stereo radios (1985-1992) which used a fixed bandwidth 6 kHz ceramic filter. However, if you are lucky, you may still find some new Chrysler/Dodge/ Jeep vehicles equipped with the older AMAX type of radio; I have seen a 2001 Dodge Ram pickup with this type of radio in it. > The last AMS stereo radio I owned was the Delco system I had in my > '92 LeSabre. I've not seen an AMS radio in any GM car since then. In 1993, just like Chrysler, GM/Delco introduced a series of very high performance AMAX-certified AM Stereo car radios, with basically the same quality and performance as the Chrysler radio I have described. Some of these Delco AMAX radios have the manual "AM ST" button while others do not. Unfortunately, around 1999, GM stopped equipping all of their vehicles with these AM Stereo radios except for Cadillac cars. I believe for 2002, all Cadillacs still come with AMAX AM Stereo radios as standard equipment, except for their SUV models and for the new radio with an integrated XM Satellite Radio tuner. These newer Cadillac radios are particularly nice in that they include RDS on the FM band, and 162 MHz NOAA Weather Radio reception. From n0uiheric@aol.com Sat Jun 29 18:05:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jun 2002 01:05:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 82402 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2002 01:05:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2002 01:05:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.4) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2002 01:05:36 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.17a.a81cce2 (18254) for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 21:05:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <17a.a81cce2.2a4fb35b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 21:05:31 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio slides downhill To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Scott, what illegal monopolies like Clear Channel are doing IS NOT CAPITALISM! By discriminating against homegrown talent, workers with disabilities and various ethnic minorities, COMMERCIAL RADIO IS A COMMAND ECONOMY. AM Stereo is NOT the only thing that Telecom has damaged. Many careers have been irreparably damaged by Telecom. More Americans are listening to public radio than commercial radio these days; public radio stations are the last bastions of homegrown talent, and one of the last bastions of programming that speaks to the soul of America. For example, do you know what the top-rated morning show in Richmond, VA is? Would you believe...NPR MORNING EDITION? 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From n0uiheric@aol.com Sat Jun 29 18:05:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jun 2002 01:05:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 50877 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2002 01:05:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2002 01:05:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.5) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2002 01:05:38 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.61.21ef74a0 (18254) for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 21:05:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <61.21ef74a0.2a4fb35e@aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 21:05:34 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio slides downhill To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Commercial radio IS DULL AND LIFELESS. Public radio IS THE MOST INTERESTING RADIO ON THE DIAL. Where else will you hear someone talk about the important issues of the day? You won't hear them on commercial radio! Where else will you hear homegrown talent? Not on commercial radio! I am not suggesting that the government control all of radio; it should be in the control of the non-profit organizations, not the illegal corporate monopolies. Look what these monopolies did to AM Stereo! 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From dav259@csiro.au Sat Jun 29 19:40:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jun 2002 02:40:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 76498 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2002 02:40:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2002 02:40:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2002 02:40:16 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18070 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 12:40:14 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 12:40:14 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio slides downhill In-Reply-To: <17a.a81cce2.2a4fb35b@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Sat, 29 Jun 2002 n0uiheric@aol.com wrote: > For example, do you know what the top-rated morning show in Richmond, VA is? > Would you believe...NPR MORNING EDITION? Good one Eric. I've heard several tapes of NPR - and our Radio National and Newsradio stations often play bits of their very good stuff. The people of Richmond, VA have taste. btw - How do the US Abitron ratings pan out for AM and FM? In Melbournetown AM is holding out pretty well. The latest ratings have the seven big AM stations on 41% and the eight big FM stations on 52%. The others (who don't pay for the ratings - community stations and narrowcasters) got 7%. This means the average commercial/ABC AM station rates 5.8% and the average commercial/ABC FM station rates 6.6%. It's pretty close and I reckon the reason is programming. FM is perceived as superior sound quality wise - but I'd venture to say only about 10% of the listeners know that AMS ever existed - and still does. The reason for the general success of our AM stations is because it's still live and local. And we still have Magic, 3MP, and "the greater 3UZ" pumping out a great AMS signal. 3AW's pilot is on but nobody's home. And 3AK is momentarily gone but I wouldn't say lost to the cause by a long shot. If only our wonderful cash-strapped ABC metro stations would turn their AMS exciters back on! Ian - Melbourne From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sat Jun 29 21:19:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jun 2002 04:19:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 53432 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2002 04:19:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2002 04:19:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf05bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.165) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2002 04:19:27 -0000 Received: from juan ([67.34.206.70]) by imf05bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020630042056.UHIP139.imf05bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 00:20:56 -0400 Message-ID: <001901c21fed$51ad5760$46ce2243@juan> To: References: <61.21ef74a0.2a4fb35e@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio slides downhill Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 00:19:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 9:05 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio slides downhill > Commercial radio IS DULL AND LIFELESS. Public radio IS THE MOST INTERESTING > RADIO ON THE DIAL. Where else will you hear someone talk about the important > issues of the day? You won't hear them on commercial radio! Where else will > you hear homegrown talent? Not on commercial radio! I am not suggesting that > the government control all of radio; it should be in the control of the > non-profit organizations, not the illegal corporate monopolies. Look what > these monopolies did to AM Stereo! > > 73 and good DX from Eric > Amateur Radio Station N0UIH > Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN > Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 > DXing The World since 1981 > Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel > PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION > "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 As much as I like NPR and PBS, it's time to get them off the government teet. NPR was a big foe of LPFM..why, because it's all about $$. I have heard stories about public radio stations that will make you sick.....Cut off the cord.......No Government money to so called "public" radio stations. Let them truly be listener supported. Juan Gualda From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sat Jun 29 21:53:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jun 2002 04:53:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 5373 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2002 04:53:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2002 04:53:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11704.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2002 04:53:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20020630045310.42383.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.37.180] by web11704.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 21:53:10 PDT Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 21:53:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio slides downhill To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001901c21fed$51ad5760$46ce2243@juan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio N.P.R. must go! It should be abloished and no college station should be allowed to be an affiliate of them if they stay on. Boring, dull, lifeless programming running as much power as they can as to block any other stations from coming on the air. Is there a point to run 100,000 Watts on the non-comm part of the band? Who are they trying to keep off? As for N.P.R. on AM like we have here? Ooh, don't get me started! R.I. was N.P.R.-free until 1998, and we must get that way again! Boston College must go! Why doesn"t Boston stick to themselves and leave R>I> alone? Are they afraid we won't be as SOPHISTICATED as they are? WBUR, WRNI and WXNI must go back to commercial broadcasting! WBUR-FM must return to the hands of the students, not elitist snobs. Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sat Jun 29 21:55:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jun 2002 04:55:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 16844 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2002 04:55:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2002 04:55:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11703.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2002 04:55:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20020630045558.88346.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.37.180] by web11703.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 21:55:58 PDT Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 21:55:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM stereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Ian, How much does it cost to put a new AM station on the air there? Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From amfmdx@fastq.com Sat Jun 29 22:14:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jun 2002 05:14:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 57234 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2002 05:14:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2002 05:14:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2002 05:14:37 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d187-osel-phx.fastq.com [209.63.214.174]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g5U5EYn07362 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 22:14:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <087f01c21ff4$9439ea60$b7f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <20020630045310.42383.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio slides downhill Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 22:11:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "kevin" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > N.P.R. must go! I don't know if they must go but I do believe totally and completely that they must be self -supporting. Why the hell some Wyoming cowboy has to support the opera through federal tax dollars is beyond me. I am positive I have NEVER EVER heard a C&W program on NPR. I also know that if you aren't Democrat, on NPR you suck like hell and shouldn't exist. > It should be abloished and no > college station should be allowed to be an > affiliate of them if they stay on. Works for me. I think all college stations should be more like WRIU 90.3 with actual college people on it not someone who can't get work anywhere else and is not in school. And it shouldn't be all network programming on college stations like KJZZ here who is NPR sponsored by Rio Salado College. Its total bullshit. Most of the damn things are owned bu Minnesota Public Radio, the Clear Channel of the Education Band. They should be cut down to size since they own so many FOR PROFIT entities. > Boring, dull, > lifeless programming running as much power as > they can as to block any other stations from > coming on the air. Is there a point to run > 100,000 Watts on the non-comm part of the band? You got that right. It *IS* dull with Diane Rehms, and all the talk programs on NPR these days. At least when they ran classical music and jazz, they had a purpose to exist. I do listen to All Things Considered because they are about the only one who has in depth news even if it is all leaned so heavily to the left that its sickening. What the hell ever happened to objective coverage? The 100kW is nuts because it keeps colleges, high schools and LPFMers off the air. The ed band was to give people more voices initially and now with stations having 100kW this idea is thrown in the shitcan. > Who are they trying to keep off? Anyone who is not communist or at least heavily socialist. Other college stations like WRIU that people listen to. When I lived in RI, WRIU was my favorite station and you couldn't find NPR anywhere near them. They played some awesome music back when I lived up there. > Why doesn"t Boston stick to themselves and leave > R>I> alone? Are they afraid we won't be as > SOPHISTICATED as they are? Because people from Boston are Massholes and they just have to be that way. They want to create the whole world in their own image whether the rest of the world wants it or not. > WBUR, WRNI and WXNI must go back to commercial > broadcasting! WBUR-FM must return to the hands > of the students, not elitist snobs. I remember WXNI when it was WERI. They were a small station on 1230 with a lot of local programming. I wasn't in love with the music but I was in love with the Westerly news coverage, the local sports and talk they had on when they were a full coverage station. Now Westerly is stuck with all NPR and BBC programming and no local stuff. Westerly is screwed. The only way the people at NPR will get it is to have the governments teats removed from their greedy sucking lips and cut them loose to live off the donations they receive. Once this happens, they will get some relevant programming that people want and they will stop being ultra-leftist near communist broadcasters and MAYBE start doing some objective and not subjective news reporting. As it is now, NPR and especially Minnesota Public Radio is EVIL. Its time to let them run on their own and let them make their way. They are entrenched enough that they have the infrastructure and good deals from the government to make it without additional government dollars. Theres my 2 cents. I can get off the soapbox now. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From n0uiheric@aol.com Sat Jun 29 22:38:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jun 2002 05:38:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 96295 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2002 05:38:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2002 05:38:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r09.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.105) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2002 05:38:47 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.120.1275ed0f (3850) for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 01:38:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <120.1275ed0f.2a4ff364@aol.com> Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 01:38:44 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio slides downhill To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih First off, commercial radio IS NOT USING COLLEGE RADIO as a source for new talent! Many college radio stations have gone to all-student air staffs in the last decade, anyway. The most notable of this was KCFV (89.5 FM) Ferguson, MO. Prior to 1991, the station was staffed by a mix of students and volunteers from the community. In 1991, the station went to an all-student staff. In St. Louis, there is NO PLACE for homegrown talent to make a name for themselves on the radio. I tried to right this wrong by trying to buy KXEN (1010 AM) in Festus, MO during 1989-90. Unfortunately, my group couldn't get financing to buy the station. Maybe they were afraid of the potential that would have been unleashed on the St. Louis audience. Kevin, I cannot agree with getting NPR off the government dole...we pay for this as a the only BALANCED media outlet in the country. Commercial radio veers too far to the left or too far to the right. We must support our non-commercial stations, not the puppets of a fraudulent Corporate America. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From n0uiheric@aol.com Sat Jun 29 22:41:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jun 2002 05:41:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 12488 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2002 05:41:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2002 05:41:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.4) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2002 05:41:18 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.d1.1aa1d0af (3850) for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 01:41:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 01:41:10 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio slides downhill To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih I disagree. NPR RULES! They're the only outlet for BALANCED programming on our airwaves; commercial radio is either extreme left or extreme right. We shouldn't be supporting our secular, commercial stations; they're puppets of a corrupt and fraudulent corporate society. We should make AM and FM non-commercial; advertisers can still go to television, newspapers and the Internet, and still get good business. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From amfmdx@fastq.com Sat Jun 29 22:48:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jun 2002 05:48:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 64934 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2002 05:48:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2002 05:48:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2002 05:48:55 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d187-osel-phx.fastq.com [209.63.214.174]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g5U5msn07785 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 22:48:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <08a401c21ff9$581cdec0$b7f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <120.1275ed0f.2a4ff364@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio slides downhill Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 22:45:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > First off, commercial radio IS NOT USING COLLEGE RADIO as a source for new > talent! Ed band stations aren't using college students either when they run NPR all network programming. So whats the difference? Why do I want NPR to exist if the college stations who have it don't use students? > Many college radio stations have gone to all-student air staffs in > the last decade, anyway. Quantify this statement. How many is many? I know of many who don't use them. > Kevin, I cannot agree with getting NPR off the government dole...we pay for > this as a the only BALANCED media outlet in the country. I want you to tell me what in the federal Constitution and exactly where in Article 1 Section 8 where government spending is strictly spelled out, that funding a radio network is stated. If a state wants to do it, I don't care. If a city wants to do it, I don't care. If the people want to fund it, I don't care. I am sick of supporting Minnesota Public Radio with their hundreds of millions a year income and their FOR PROFIT corporations. They can stand on their own but they find it easier to suck up to Uncle Sugar and suck that government teat instead of standing on their own. Minnesota Public Radio is the Clear Channel of the education band on FM. Non-commercial radio is just as screwed up as commercial radio. Sorry to break the news to you bro. Kevin From amfmdx@fastq.com Sat Jun 29 22:52:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jun 2002 05:52:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 70764 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2002 05:52:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2002 05:52:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2002 05:52:50 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d187-osel-phx.fastq.com [209.63.214.174]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g5U5qnn07807 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 22:52:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <08ac01c21ff9$e3270c20$b7f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio slides downhill Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 22:49:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > I disagree. NPR RULES! They're the only outlet for BALANCED programming on > our airwaves; commercial radio is either extreme left or extreme right. Most of public radio is run by Minn. Public Radio. They are extreme left. They own the public radio outlets in several states. In fact they own all the NPR stations in Southern California and that includes Los Angeles. The station at USC is run by MPR and they DON'T use students to run the station. MPR is the Clear Channel of public radio. Non-commercial radio has its skeletons and evildoers just as commercial radio does. Kevin From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sat Jun 29 22:57:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jun 2002 05:57:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 45662 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2002 05:57:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2002 05:57:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf03bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.143) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2002 05:57:07 -0000 Received: from juan ([67.34.206.70]) by imf03bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020630055836.VPVW11981.imf03bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 01:58:36 -0400 Message-ID: <001301c21ffa$f6bb99d0$46ce2243@juan> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio slides downhill Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 01:57:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 1:41 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio slides downhill > I disagree. NPR RULES! They're the only outlet for BALANCED programming on > our airwaves; commercial radio is either extreme left or extreme right. We > shouldn't be supporting our secular, commercial stations; they're puppets of > a corrupt and fraudulent corporate society. We should make AM and FM > non-commercial; advertisers can still go to television, newspapers and the > Internet, and still get good business. I disagree..I am what some would call a Liberal...and I don't want the government paying for what some would call balanced programming....what does the Government have to do with what I consider "commentary". NPR does not represent the government..If they did..it would be leaning "right wing" like the House, maybe Senate, and the excetutive branch..think about it.....are we paying for an "anti" government view......just because it is anti ? Even when the left was in power....it still (NPR) leans to the left........Don't get me wrong...I LOVE NPR, but it should NOT get government funding. I am forever anti NPR, because of the stand they took against LPFM......guess what..it isn't political...it's all about $$$$...NPR and the evil empire have lot$ in common. Sad but true ! Juan Gualda > 73 and good DX from Eric > Amateur Radio Station N0UIH > Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN > Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 > DXing The World since 1981 > Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel > PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION > "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun Jun 30 00:02:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jun 2002 07:02:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 55236 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2002 07:02:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2002 07:02:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2002 07:02:46 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d61-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.93]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g5U72in08145 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 00:02:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <08dc01c22003$9cc14de0$b7f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <001301c21ffa$f6bb99d0$46ce2243@juan> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio slides downhill Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 23:58:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > I disagree..I am what some would call a Liberal... Juan, You saw what I wrote and I am a Democrat. I don't mind NPR at all but I think that its time for it to go on its own and make it or not. Either we have the government owning a network, and giving the governments news or we have no network that is supposed to be anything but the governments mouthpiece toeing the government line because they are on the dole. If the government had a network, thats fine because people know that all the news and everything is what the government wants to tell you, but half and half still equals the governments outlet. > and I don't want the > government paying for what some would call balanced programming....what does > the Government have to do with what I consider "commentary". NPR does not > represent the government..If they did..it would be leaning "right wing" like > the House, maybe Senate, and the excetutive branch..think about it..... This would be a fact. They would lean left when the Dems were in office from 92 to 2000, which they did, and now they would be leaning right but they don't. They still lean left. I really do wish that they were balanced. I am desperate to find some news somewhere without an agenda. As far as I am concerned the stations that are running the 24/7 AP Network News seem to be the best of them all. They actually seem to be objective. > are we paying for an "anti" government view......just because it is anti ? Even > when the left was in power....it still (NPR) leans to the left........ Yep. > Don't > get me wrong...I LOVE NPR, but it should NOT get government funding. You and I are on the same page. > I am > forever anti NPR, because of the stand they took against LPFM......guess > what..it isn't political...it's all about $$$$...NPR and the evil empire > have lot$ in common. Sad but true ! You and I are like thinking the same here. Its all about money and although NPR cries poor all the time, they are rich as hell and Minn. Public Radio is the worst of the worst. Kevin From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Jun 30 00:24:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jun 2002 07:24:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 51650 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2002 07:24:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2002 07:24:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m09.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.164) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2002 07:24:52 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.50.da452f5 (16338) for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 03:24:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <50.da452f5.2a500c3f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 03:24:47 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio slides downhill To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih If commercial radio were to be eliminated, the only group of people who would be hurt would be the corporate entities. Who would benefit? Not just NPR, but also various religious organizations (even those who have no on-air presence, such as Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists and minority Christian sects), ethnic groups, groups who are currently being discriminated against (especially those with various disabilities, who are currently shut out of commercial radio and work primarily in public radio), and the colleges and universities wanting to set up student-run radio stations, among others. Advertisers can still go to television, newspapers and the Internet. Many advertisers won't miss radio one bit. If commercial radio were eliminated, I would most likely be on the air on a daily basis. If it were reregulated, I would still have a chance to work in the field, although it won't be full-time. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From amstereo@optushome.com.au Sun Jun 30 01:19:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@optushome.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jun 2002 08:19:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 9800 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2002 08:19:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2002 08:19:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail020.syd.optusnet.com.au) (210.49.20.135) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2002 08:19:14 -0000 Received: from durocket1200 (c16414.ipswc1.qld.optusnet.com.au [210.49.41.33]) by mail020.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id g5U8JDQ18729 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 18:19:13 +1000 Message-ID: <001f01c2200e$d3e9c8a0$1a02a8c0@durocket1200> To: Subject: nortel nolonger supplying stereo Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 18:19:17 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "voltare - matt2" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=105920058 X-Yahoo-Profile: voltar_e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Thank you for your e-mail message expressing interest in NAUTEL fully solid state Medium Wave AM Broadcast Transmitters. Attached is the technical information (in PDF format) and quotation (in MS Word format) you requested for the NAUTEL ND1, 1kW solid state AM broadcast transmitter. Note that AM Stereo is no longer available due to the incompatibility with future digital radio formats." what a crock, i am finding information for local broadcaster - to - be, switch 1197 these guys won't supply stereo, do they have no idea that digital AM is not going to be on band in australia, i dunno. mail them and whinge, --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/2002 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereo@optushome.com.au Sun Jun 30 01:32:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@optushome.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jun 2002 08:32:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 53485 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2002 08:32:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2002 08:32:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail025.syd.optusnet.com.au) (210.49.20.147) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2002 08:32:40 -0000 Received: from durocket1200 (c16414.ipswc1.qld.optusnet.com.au [210.49.41.33]) by mail025.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id g5U8Wd319306 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 18:32:39 +1000 Message-ID: <002a01c22010$b420f6e0$1a02a8c0@durocket1200> To: Subject: Re: UX-1 Example Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 18:32:43 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "voltare - matt2" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=105920058 X-Yahoo-Profile: voltar_e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >just you could use better filtering on the DC power supply for your transmitter get a 9V regulator circuit and run the tx from your PC, this is what i do and i get no noise from the PC (cause of the PC's brillient noise filtering in the PSU) the pc is my TX's 9V power, my audio source, and my transmition ground. very effective. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/2002 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun Jun 30 08:42:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jun 2002 15:42:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 89568 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2002 15:42:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2002 15:42:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2002 15:42:25 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d130-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.162]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g5UFgNn10906 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 08:42:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <08f101c2204b$fbbb7e40$b7f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <50.da452f5.2a500c3f@aol.com> Subject: Reregulation and not elimination Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 08:37:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > If commercial radio were to be eliminated, the only group of people who would > be hurt would be the corporate entities. And the people who work for them, and the people who used to advertize and the people who used to work for the advertizing agencies, and the people who pay taxes who have to support these people thrown out of work by your ignorant ideas because we all will have to pay them unemployment, food stamps, medical care, housing subsidies and re-education funding. Yeah, we would have to do this. Perhaps you didn't think this through. > Who would benefit? A handful of people at the cost of more than were helped. > Not just NPR, but > also various religious organizations (even those who have no on-air presence, > such as Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists and minority Christian sects), ethnic > groups, Isn't this what LPFM is supposed to do? Well Eric? > and the colleges and universities > wanting to set up student-run radio stations, among others. BULLCRAP. Most of these colleges suck up the NPR network programming and they don't use students but people who are unable to find work anywhere else. The students are still left out of the equation in most cases. > Advertisers can > still go to television, newspapers and the Internet. Many advertisers won't > miss radio one bit. BULLCRAP. Your ideas will throw the advertizing copywriters and voiceover people out of work. I guess two stupid moves will make one good one? > If commercial radio were eliminated, I would most likely be on the air on a > daily basis. If it were reregulated, I would still have a chance to work in > the field, although it won't be full-time. Eric, I agree with reregulation but I vehemently disagree with your ideas on elimination of commercial radio. Remember, those with the best voices get hired. If a person doesn't have a good radio voice, they will always have a hard time getting hired as an announcer. I just know that you haven't considered what people call the "unintended consequences." Kevin From narkspud@hotmail.com Sun Jun 30 10:49:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jun 2002 17:49:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 73941 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2002 17:49:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2002 17:49:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.16.128) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2002 17:49:31 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 10:49:31 -0700 Received: from 67.224.21.249 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 17:49:31 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: (OT, y'know) NPR Rant Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 10:49:31 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jun 2002 17:49:31.0354 (UTC) FILETIME=[7CDB0BA0:01C2205E] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.224.21.249] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud Been reading this thread with amazement. A few observations about NPR: (1) Any college student who wants the experience of working at a student-run station (for all the good it will do once they graduate and try to get a job at a Clear Channel station) is free to choose a college that *has* a student-run station. (2) Y'ever tried to schedule a staff of college students? I have. You don't want to. (3) The high power levels at *some* NPR stations are intended to deliver noncommercial radio over the maximum range possible. For instance, WUNC Chapel Hill NC for many years was the only noncommercial radio in Eastern North Carolina. They needed 100,000W to cover their service area, which extended from Raleigh to the coast. And check out WCQS, Asheville, NC. 1600 watts and a bazillion translators, and they're the only FM many folks in the mountains of Western NC can receive. They all do what they have to. Make all the noncommercials go lower power, and most of the country won't have noncommercial radio. (4) KCRW Santa Monica (an NPR in the LA market) will be quite surprised to learn that they are owned by Minnesota Public Radio. (5) Those NPR stations are virtually the last bastion of really high quality sound on the FM band. That takes funding. Every student run station I've ever heard (including the one I worked at) sounds like crap. No surprise. . .they're funded by the school, which is more likely to spend their money on, oh, I dunno. . .educating their students? (Or maybe sports?) Consider that if NPR was on AM, we'd have a lot more AM Stereo than we do now. (6) Take away the government funding, and it's the small NPRs with the interesting (and local) programming that would go away. Minnesota Public Radio and the other big bombers would be just fine. (7) Every NPR station is different. To use KCRW as an example (again), they play quite a bit of alternative rock and other eclectic programming that doesn't fit the NPR stereotype. They all play what the audience (their contributors) demands. (8) Yeah, NPR is liberal. So sue 'em. Takes all types. If they weren't there, all we'd have is the more commercially viable neanderthal conservatives that pollute at least one AM in every market. (9) NPR stations support and promote the arts. 24-hour AP news does not. Neither do most commercial and student-run stations. Have you guessed that I support NPR? My alternatives here in Orange County are the quick headlines on KFWB and KNX, and the a**holes making money from their own stupidity on KFI and its scads of imitators. Pasadena City College was thrilled to lease KPCC to MPR. One less peripheral thing that this small college had to worry about, and the public radio service they'd made a commitment to could go on. Better than selling it to Trinity Broadcast Network, says I. Yeah, I'd love it if a good student-run station made it up to my digs in Fullerton. (I'm too far from KUCI, and KBPK plays automated AC, in FM mono, with no humans present. Sometimes even student-run stations don't have any students.) I'd love it if K-Earth didn't suck eggs, if Clear Channel and Infinity didn't own most of the market, and if all these local AMs would go stereo. But I'd hate it if I lost NPR in some attempt to, um, what was it we were going to do instead? Sorry for the rant. Thanks for waking me up on a Sunday morning. narkspud _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From fanfare@globility.com Sun Jun 30 12:06:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jun 2002 19:06:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 27129 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2002 19:06:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2002 19:06:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2002 19:06:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2002 19:06:25 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 19:06:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AMS -- why is it disappearing Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2043 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amfmguy" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.235.181 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy I have to claim a certain amount of naivety when it come to the actual demise of AMS. I heard from one unimpeachaable source that it was all the controversy surrounding AMS and the final selection of C-QUAM that contributed to its demise. I heard also that C-QUAM xmtrs were high maintenance if you cared about the quality of your AMS. I can understand that the auto industry might want to dump it(and some have)if it does not have mainstream popularity. BTW, does anyone have any idea just how much AMS in the automotive radio represents, in terms of OEM cost? The last estimate I heard was $2. or (much) less. When you buy parts in the millions, the "price is right". Also a couple of Mil in the pockets of the mfr. looks god to the shareholders, right? To me, that is the industry that has to be lit up again. Home AMS is a poor second to that, unless the format is of extraordinary value. This is where NPR should be able to make inroads. Instead, according to S.Pizzi in RW, they are reported to be preparing to purchase the necessary licence to IBOC-olate heir AM's. Personally, I think you should inundate him and Alan McLean with your concerns about AMS.The way I see it, RW is solidly behind IBOC because they think we need IBOC. In a very general way, so do I. But not on the sames terms and with the same tenuousness as FMX was presented back in '85. It died because the marketing forces sold the platform before it had even been proven to work in enough places to make it viable. Surprisingly, IBOC seems to have the same reputation. The difference here is much heavier though. There's $100million at risk here, whereas with FMX, the sum was considerably less. So, taking AM as an example, and the fact that, as demonstrated by our samples of a certain high quality, long distance, AMS reception, that AMS can be made a heckuva lot more efficient, and in doing so, might include other broadcast streams on the same frequency, including digital, what kind of impact would that have? Cheers, M. From fanfare@globility.com Sun Jun 30 12:12:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jun 2002 19:12:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 75934 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2002 19:12:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2002 19:12:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2002 19:12:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2002 19:12:30 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 19:12:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AMS -- why is it disappearing Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2260 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amfmguy" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.235.181 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy Sorry, I meant to refer to RW's Paul McLane, not Alan McLean M. --- In amstereoforum@y..., "amfmguy" wrote: > I have to claim a certain amount of naivety when it come to the > actual demise of AMS. > > I heard from one unimpeachaable source that it was all the > controversy surrounding AMS and the final selection of C-QUAM that > contributed to its demise. I heard also that C-QUAM xmtrs were high > maintenance if you cared about the quality of your AMS. > > I can understand that the auto industry might want to dump it(and > some have)if it does not have mainstream popularity. BTW, does anyone > have any idea just how much AMS in the automotive radio represents, > in terms of OEM cost? The last estimate I heard was $2. or (much) > less. When you buy parts in the millions, the "price is right". Also > a couple of Mil in the pockets of the mfr. looks god to the > shareholders, right? > > To me, that is the industry that has to be lit up again. Home AMS is > a poor second to that, unless the format is of extraordinary value. > This is where NPR should be able to make inroads. Instead, according > to S.Pizzi in RW, they are reported to be preparing to purchase the > necessary licence to IBOC-olate heir AM's. > > Personally, I think you should inundate him and Alan McLean with your > concerns about AMS.The way I see it, RW is solidly behind IBOC > because they think we need IBOC. In a very general way, so do I. But > not on the sames terms and with the same tenuousness as FMX was > presented back in '85. It died because the marketing forces sold the > platform before it had even been proven to work in enough places to > make it viable. Surprisingly, IBOC seems to have the same reputation. > The difference here is much heavier though. There's $100million at > risk here, whereas with FMX, the sum was considerably less. > > So, taking AM as an example, and the fact that, as demonstrated by > our samples of a certain high quality, long distance, AMS reception, > that AMS can be made a heckuva lot more efficient, and in doing so, > might include other broadcast streams on the same frequency, > including digital, what kind of impact would that have? > > Cheers, > > M. From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Jun 30 12:42:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jun 2002 19:42:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 88070 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2002 19:42:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2002 19:42:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2002 19:42:14 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.a9.29b16f47 (4453) for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 15:42:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 15:42:04 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Reregulation and not elimination To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih I consider that FAULTY LOGIC, Kevin. Here's what I mean: "And the people who work for them, and the people who used to advertize and the people who used to work for the advertizing agencies, and the people who pay taxes who have to support these people thrown out of work by your ignorant ideas because we all will have to pay them unemployment, food stamps, medical care, housing subsidies and re-education funding." That translates actually to FEWER people. I've heard the bullcrap about the "shrinking talent pool". These people will still have television and cable. These people will still have work in an all non-commercial radio system; many are rich enough to start their own businesses. Many of the people on the commercial airwaves are NOT DESERVING of these jobs, because they didn't work hard for these gigs. They depended on their friends for these jobs. "A handful of people at the cost of more than were helped." It would actually benefit MORE people. The only ones it will hurt are big names like Howard Stern, Rush Limbaugh and Dr. Laura. It would benefit the talented people who are really struggling; the people that SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE AIR IN THE FIRST PLACE. It would benefit groups that have faced illegal discrimination, such as homegrown talent (discrimination against such talent is a clear and blatant violation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964), workers with disabilities (discrimination against people with disabilities is illegal under the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990), not to mention the former college radio DJs, many of whom are more talented than the crap commercial radio hires. "Isn't this what LPFM is supposed to do?" You have to remember that Congress disallowed LPFM in urban areas. The only ones that are being helped are those in rural areas. Since Part 15 stations only cover a two or three-mile radius, the only remaining solution is elimination of commercial radio. "Remember, those with the best voices get hired." Not anymore. Clear Channel hires SOME OF THE WORST VOICES on the radio dial! Infinity and the other illegal monopolies aren't much better, either. With most of the people on the air being no-talent hacks like Howard Stern, Bubba the Hate Sponge, Don and Mike, Opie and Anthony and other crap, it's no wonder listeners are tuning out and switching to public radio. Commercial radio has lost 60 million listeners since 1989; the decline is expected to continue. By contrast, public radio listenership has more than doubled. Many more people are tuning out radio altogether. Many listeners won't miss commercial radio one bit. The "unintended" consequences are this: the people who will be thrown out of work are people who have not worked hard at their crafts; people who have depended on friends, relatives and acquaintances to get their feet in commercial radio's door. I, for one, worked hard for over a decade and a half to even get my foot in radio's door. I even worked commercially for a brief time, but never worked for a corporate owner. America is looking for a VARIETY of voice types, not just one type of voice; commercial radio REFUSES to provide it. Elimination of commercial radio should be considered only as a punishment for commercial radio's embracing of fraudulent practices, illegal discrimination and anti-community sentiment. God forbid, I hope this will never come to pass, but reregulation is the only other logical alternative. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From mychucky@funport.net Sun Jun 30 13:22:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mychucky@funport.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jun 2002 20:22:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 37393 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2002 20:22:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2002 20:22:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.funport.com) (216.199.19.6) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2002 20:22:11 -0000 Received: from FatMusic2000 ([]) by mail.funport.com (Merak 4.4.3) with SMTP id JFB36580 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 16:19:43 -0400 Message-ID: <001f01c22073$eeb25e30$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Reregulation and not elimination Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 16:23:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85836819 X-Yahoo-Profile: mychucky1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Whew I am worn out listening to all this ranting and raving, I guess I need stock in Palmolive cause this is a lot of soap boxes everyone has parked on today. Radio is a business and the business of radio is Money if it don't make money you cant pay the engineer (the most important person, doesn't everyone agree?) Last time I checked my check was for Technical Services, I was once reminded of that by the CEO when I asked about programming. Now as to AM Stereo.......I been running a site www.stereoam.com for 4 years now. NO ONE CARES. I have sold 4 AM Stereo radios/tuners/ ect since January, and about one every 6 weeks in 2001 Does that tell you something. The site does not pay for itself, I support it. Now how's that for ranting and raving.......any way bottom line is AM Stereo is going down (Hey don't shoot the messenger) not because it isn't great, but because the diluting effects of IBOC will take the resources. The promoters of IBOC will find a way to get their systems in Radio Stations if they have to pay for it themselves. Cell phones started out for 100's of dollars and now they are FREE. Worst case scenario would be IBOC goes Belly up and takes the remaining thoughts of AM Stereo with it. The writing is on the Wall, but Nautell can't read it yet, they discontinue AM Stereo whether it be for lack of interest or the fact that dozens of countries around the world are struggling to keep AM on the Air period, but that may be the point. Who can worry about AM Stereo in Costa Rica When you can't get a radio to listen to it on. They can buy one from me, oppppppss they barely have radio so how can they be expected to have the internet. Unless they are using satellite,,,,oh wow now there is Satellite radio toooooo Yes I know I am preaching to the choir, Chris C and Kevin and I kept websites on the net for years and stations don't even put the AM Stereo on their logos. Closet AM Stereo Stations. Start learning all you can about IBOC it's coming there is toooo much Moneyyyyyyyy invested in it for them to forget it. AM stereo did not get 1/10 the money thrown at it that IBOC has. So lets get back to radio and making it sound good. I really do miss my crystal radio set with 130 turns of #18 on a toilet paper tube,now that WAS REAL RADIO. Chuck Simpson WA4OQW Chief for WAOC, WXGV, WYGV www.mymix105.com ----- Original Message ----- From: n0uiheric@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 3:42 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Reregulation and not elimination I consider that FAULTY LOGIC, Kevin. Here's what I mean: "And the people who work for them, and the people who used to advertize and the people who used to work for the advertizing agencies, and the people who pay taxes who have to support these people thrown out of work by your ignorant ideas because we all will have to pay them unemployment, food stamps, medical care, housing subsidies and re-education funding." That translates actually to FEWER people. I've heard the bullcrap about the "shrinking talent pool". These people will still have television and cable. These people will still have work in an all non-commercial radio system; many are rich enough to start their own businesses. Many of the people on the commercial airwaves are NOT DESERVING of these jobs, because they didn't work hard for these gigs. They depended on their friends for these jobs. "A handful of people at the cost of more than were helped." It would actually benefit MORE people. The only ones it will hurt are big names like Howard Stern, Rush Limbaugh and Dr. Laura. It would benefit the talented people who are really struggling; the people that SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE AIR IN THE FIRST PLACE. It would benefit groups that have faced illegal discrimination, such as homegrown talent (discrimination against such talent is a clear and blatant violation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964), workers with disabilities (discrimination against people with disabilities is illegal under the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990), not to mention the former college radio DJs, many of whom are more talented than the crap commercial radio hires. "Isn't this what LPFM is supposed to do?" You have to remember that Congress disallowed LPFM in urban areas. The only ones that are being helped are those in rural areas. Since Part 15 stations only cover a two or three-mile radius, the only remaining solution is elimination of commercial radio. "Remember, those with the best voices get hired." Not anymore. Clear Channel hires SOME OF THE WORST VOICES on the radio dial! Infinity and the other illegal monopolies aren't much better, either. With most of the people on the air being no-talent hacks like Howard Stern, Bubba the Hate Sponge, Don and Mike, Opie and Anthony and other crap, it's no wonder listeners are tuning out and switching to public radio. Commercial radio has lost 60 million listeners since 1989; the decline is expected to continue. By contrast, public radio listenership has more than doubled. Many more people are tuning out radio altogether. Many listeners won't miss commercial radio one bit. The "unintended" consequences are this: the people who will be thrown out of work are people who have not worked hard at their crafts; people who have depended on friends, relatives and acquaintances to get their feet in commercial radio's door. I, for one, worked hard for over a decade and a half to even get my foot in radio's door. I even worked commercially for a brief time, but never worked for a corporate owner. America is looking for a VARIETY of voice types, not just one type of voice; commercial radio REFUSES to provide it. Elimination of commercial radio should be considered only as a punishment for commercial radio's embracing of fraudulent practices, illegal discrimination and anti-community sentiment. God forbid, I hope this will never come to pass, but reregulation is the only other logical alternative. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From shelswartz@yahoo.com Sun Jun 30 14:02:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: shelswartz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jun 2002 21:02:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 15950 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2002 21:02:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2002 21:02:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14911.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.225.249) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2002 21:02:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20020630210255.79409.qmail@web14911.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.86.167.41] by web14911.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 14:02:55 PDT Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 14:02:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} (OT, y'know) NPR Rant To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Shel Swartz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91652391 X-Yahoo-Profile: shelswartz Some facts about NPR: 1. It is solely devoted to what is widely considered the "liberal" agenda. Anyone with a conservateive background need not apply. Unbalanced news and views = propaganda. NPR is not supposed to be the Voice of America. 2. It is funded by and large by taxpayers - whether we listen to it or not. 3. It has incredibly low ratings. Any stations in the real world could not survive with those kinds of ratings. 4. Because taxpayers involuntarily pay for it, NPR has no desire or incentive to build ratings. I would say the same whether NPR had solely a liberal slant or a conservative slant or a socialist slant. NPR, as any station or network, in order to have higher ratings, needs to appeal to more people than it now does. Yes, there are decent shows on NPR, but not all of us are art-lovers, ecology radicals, or college students. The vast majority of Americans work in the real world, and deal with real problems on a day to day basis, few if any of which are are even taken notice of by NPR. Wouldn't it be nice if we could own our own Radio statins, and not have to worry about ratings, because Uncle Sam would pay some or all of our bills? That's not capitalism. That's Socialism. State-paid-for media is state-controled media. And it would be nice if "All Things Considered" truly did consider all or at least two sides of an issue. Because neither liberals nor conservatives have all the answers! That's what the two-party system is all about. But don't tell that to NPR. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun Jun 30 14:40:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jun 2002 21:40:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 74651 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2002 21:40:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2002 21:40:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2002 21:40:03 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d213-osel-phx.fastq.com [207.173.146.74]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g5ULe2n14865 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 14:40:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <09d301c2207d$729eb640$b7f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Reregulation and not elimination Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 14:31:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > I consider that FAULTY LOGIC, Kevin. Here's what I mean: Eric, talking with you is like talking with a rock. You have the last word. If you want to be in commercial broadcasting and then you rip owners on the internet, theres a consequence Eric. Think about it. Kevin From narkspud@hotmail.com Sun Jun 30 14:40:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jun 2002 21:40:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 74905 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2002 21:40:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2002 21:40:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.181) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2002 21:40:12 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 14:40:12 -0700 Received: from 67.224.21.111 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 21:40:11 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Reregulation and not elimination Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 14:40:11 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jun 2002 21:40:12.0270 (UTC) FILETIME=[B6AF38E0:01C2207E] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.224.21.111] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud >Whew I am worn out listening to all this ranting and raving, I guess I need >stock in Palmolive cause this is a lot of soap boxes everyone has parked on >today. Heh heh. At least the company that makes the soapboxes. Wouldn't have it any other way. It's cause we're passionate about radio. Not a bad thing. >Now as to AM Stereo.......I been running a site www.stereoam.com for 4 >years now. NO ONE CARES. I have sold 4 AM Stereo radios/tuners/ ect since >January, and about one every 6 weeks in 2001 Does that tell you something. Well. . .it tells me that people are reluctant to spend 300 bucks on a Japanese home rig that has to be converted for US use. I can understand that. I'm one of those people. If you offered some inexpensive walkmen and boomboxes, I bet the results would be much different. I've bought a couple of those recently. >The promoters of IBOC will find a way to get their systems in Radio >Stations if they have to pay for it themselves. Cell phones started out for >100's of dollars and now they are FREE. The promoters of IBOC will not do anything of the sort--they will be relying on professional equipment sales for much of their revenue. They're hoping one of the big boys, say Clear Channel, makes a whopping enormous group buy. Probably will happen, so prepare yourselves. The cell phone analogy is not appropriate, since you pay for the phone through your monthly service fees. IBOC, as I understand it, will not collect fees from listeners. >Yes I know I am preaching to the choir, Chris C and Kevin and I kept >websites on the net for years and stations don't even put the AM Stereo on >their logos. >Closet AM Stereo Stations. Bingo! THAT'S a big hunk of the problem. How tough would it be for KDIS to say "Stereo AM 710, Radio Disney" on their liners. One extra three-syllable word. Doesn't cost 'em a thing. That's one way this list can make a difference. Lobby the AM Stereo stations currently on the air to PROMOTE IT! We can grouse all we want about the programming and Clear Channel's business practices and such as that, but the purpose of the list is to promote AM Stereo. My Palmolive soapbox and I say that AM Stereo WILL work if we (or they, or whichever pronoun you care to use) (1) Promote to the unwashed masses AM Stereo's existence and inherent superiority (see KDIS example above) (2) Provide said masses with competitive, affordable radios that will receive it (3) Get the damn stations to broadcast it. IBOC may be the biggest friend AM Stereo ever had. If it sucks as bad as we hear it does, then any station dumb enough to try it will get their heads blown off by the marketplace. Station A switches on the IBOC and their sound quality goes into the toilet. Station B turns on their AM Stereo generator and starts promoting their infinitely superior sound quality on the air. Station A notes the competitor's reaction, the listener complaints, and the dizzying drop in ratings. And shuts off IBOC and switches their own AM Stereo generator on. Repeat as needed. I'm looking forward to KFI doing this. . . DON'T GIVE UP, GUYS! narkspud _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun Jun 30 14:53:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jun 2002 21:53:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 95967 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2002 21:53:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2002 21:53:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2002 21:53:06 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d213-osel-phx.fastq.com [207.173.146.74]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g5ULr4n15207 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 14:53:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <0a1c01c2207f$420ed940$b7f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <001f01c22073$eeb25e30$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Reregulation and not elimination Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 14:44:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > .......any way bottom line is AM Stereo is going down (Hey don't shoot the messenger) not because it isn't great, but because the diluting effects of IBOC will take the resources. This is a fact. IBOC will take the resources. I wish it wouldn't be on the AM band where it won't work well but it is. We will be out of step with the rest of the Eureka using world and as always, the consumer will pay. > Worst case scenario would be IBOC goes Belly up and takes the remaining thoughts of AM Stereo with it. This is my prediction from the beginning. Sadly this post is more right than anything else that has been said on the list. We should all be studying digital radio with a passion because we will never stop it. Kevin From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Jun 30 14:59:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jun 2002 21:59:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 34192 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2002 21:59:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2002 21:59:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2002 21:59:24 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.25]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 17:58:34 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c22081$719ed5a0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <001f01c22073$eeb25e30$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Reregulation and not elimination Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 17:59:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 OK, My turn- As for no one caring: How can anyone care when they DON"T KNOW a technology exists? I proved this beyond a shadow of a doubt when I did the promo morning show on KCJJ. I beat my gums for 3 hours about am stereo. I sold radios after that. The people listened. The people liked it. Prior to the show, I had been giving away radios to listeners that contacted me by email - as long as they were listening, they would know how to win a radio. The key? KCJJ advertises stereo! Now- IBOC- You cannot be serious if you think CC orr any other corp is gonna lay out cash to downgrade to IBOC. It is NOT gonna happen. I have email from Infinity saying they are STAYING ANALOG. Yes, there is going to be a tremendous push. If what i read about Nautel stopping the supply of exciters is true, it is a grave injustice. It makes me think (and this is ONLY MY OPINION) that IBOC people are paying transmittetr manufacturers to give up cquam. I keep going for one reason- a prophecy I mentioned 3 years ago is now happening. Smaller mom & pop stations are buying stereo equipment and using it. Home town radio is where it's at. A tough fight, but I am not giving up. It is exactly what they want. F*** 'em all. Chris From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jun 30 15:13:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jun 2002 22:13:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 64918 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2002 22:13:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2002 22:13:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2002 22:13:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2002 22:13:34 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 22:13:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Reregulation and not elimination Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001f01c22073$eeb25e30$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2143 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The writing is on the Wall, but Nautell can't read it yet, they > discontinue AM Stereo whether it be for lack of interest or the fact > that dozens of countries around the world are struggling to keep AM > on the Air period Unless Jeff Welton is lying to us, Nautel has NOT stopped making transmitters equipped with AM Stereo. At least as of a week or two ago, Nautel is still manufacturing AM Stereo-equipped transmitters and is quite proud of it. And just within the past few months, FOUR stations in my local daytime listening area have either switched their AM Stereo back on, or have added AM Stereo to their signal for the first time. That's more than I've seen ever since I got my first AM Stereo radio back in 1995. If you read through the comments that were sent in to the FCC regarding the IBOC digital system, I'd say that at least HALF of all of them are clearly anti-IBOC, and a good number of these specifically mention analog AM Stereo as a proven and cost-effective alternative. Even CLEAR CHANNEL has stated that IBOC would be "the death of the AM band" if it were approved in its current performance-challenged form. If you'd like to view the comments that were submitted on IBOC, you can use this quick link: http://rvcc2.raritanval.edu/ktek9053/iboc.htm And as far as you not being able to sell many AM Stereo radios from your web site, that's because we thought you were gone for good. Chris Cuff wrote in over a year ago to tell everybody that you had run into some trouble and apparently weren't going to be able to support your AM Stereo entrepreneurship any longer. Regardless if this was the case or not, we are glad to have you back here, and I will add a link to your web site on www.AMStereoRadio.com ASAP. Kevin Tekel Sysop of The AM Stereo Forum Webmaster of www.AMStereoRadio.com p.s. In light of recent discussions here, may I cautiously and politely suggest that we start drifting back towards the topic of AM Stereo, or even AM radio in general. There are more relevant places in which to carry on lengthly discussions about politics, NPR, radio deregulation, and such. From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Jun 30 15:21:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jun 2002 22:21:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 55830 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2002 22:21:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2002 22:21:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2002 22:21:01 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.25]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 18:20:12 -0400 Message-ID: <002901c22084$7749eaa0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: Subject: stereo bandscan Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 18:21:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Daytime, 3PM, sony SRFXM100 digital walkman. unaided. 1660- a pilot today! Muddy audio on the right channel. I have not seen a pliot here in ages. 1680- Great sound , pilot only 1430 WSNY 1170 WYNS 1210 WPHT 990 850 WREF 800 WLAD 600 WICC cc From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Jun 30 15:26:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jun 2002 22:26:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 2899 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2002 22:26:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2002 22:26:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2002 22:26:30 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.25]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 18:25:41 -0400 Message-ID: <002f01c22085$3b6c7ce0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: Subject: OMT Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 18:26:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 A belated welcome to "The Chuckster".. Glad to see you here, and that you are still in this game. Note to Phil, Juan, and Mauricio- Transmitters are on the way. Finally. My phone problems and a UPS F-up delayed me a couple days. Another finding: On many of my early transmitters, I made a minor error in the audio input circuit, and also, there should be EIGHT coils in the quam circuit- 4 above the pc board, and 4 below, in parallel with the upper coils. I will post a pic in the files section soon of the area to check. CC From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jun 30 15:51:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jun 2002 22:51:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 95646 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2002 22:51:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2002 22:51:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2002 22:51:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2002 22:51:41 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 22:51:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: stereo bandscan Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002901c22084$7749eaa0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1160 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics >> 1660- a pilot today! Muddy audio on the right channel. I have not seen a pilot here in ages. << I've been getting a Stereo pilot from 1660 WWRU for the past few weeks. This is strange because they're owned by Radio Unica, which is a syndicated Spanish news/talk format produced exclusively in MONO. Also, WWRU's sound is a bit "fluttery" -- almost like you get when multiple stations are "falsing" a radio into Stereo mode, but that's not the case. I think they have their 25 Hz pilot set to too high of a modulation level. >> 1430 WSNY << That's WNSW, another recent "ex-offender", now with full separation as well -- fantastic sound! >> 1170 WYNS << I was in the northeast PA area just yesterday and WYNS (actually on 1160 kHz) was coming in well with their new Oldies format. However, their audio is louder in the left channel, just as I heard from them about 2 years ago with their Classic Country format. Still sounds great, though. 1600 WWRL is still PowerSide.... yuck. Totally muddy and distorted sound. They aren't even running true PowerSide, because in Kahn mode, most of their audio is still coming out of the center. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sun Jun 30 16:23:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jun 2002 23:23:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 29705 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2002 23:23:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2002 23:23:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2002 23:23:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2002 23:23:06 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 23:23:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Reregulation and not elimination Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 729 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.105 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > > > p.s. In light of recent discussions here, may I cautiously and > politely suggest that we start drifting back towards the topic of > AM Stereo, or even AM radio in general. There are more relevant > places in which to carry on lengthly discussions about politics, > NPR, radio deregulation, and such. I was beginning to think that with all of this IBOC ranting that y'all missed my post about the circuit board I just finished in message 3064. I would of ranted some also but I was pre-occupied with reinstalling my OS on a new drive and finishing up the board. Anyway it is on my website labeled NEW at: http://www.hal-pc.org/~jsgil/AM-Stereo JSG From matthew.trim@eds.com Sun Jun 30 17:31:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Jul 2002 00:31:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 37571 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2002 00:31:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2002 00:31:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns5.eds.com) (203.17.185.230) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 00:31:45 -0000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com (nnsy-3.eds.com [192.168.1.1]) by ns5.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g610ViG27870 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:31:44 +1000 (EST) Received: from nnsy.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g610VeP23292 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:31:41 +1000 (EST) Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g610VdW23276 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:31:39 +1000 (EST) Received: by AUSYM000 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:31:17 +1000 Message-ID: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542809CAF227@AUSYM200> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Nautel nolonger supplying stereo Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:31:19 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 What!!!!! This is outrageous!! Hopefully Jeff can clarify - Was this the Australian reseller you contacted for the quote? Maybe they are recommending against AMS in Australia (I can't understand why however!?!) (fixed the spelling in the subject line, lest it offend Nortel Networks.. :) -----Original Message----- From: voltare - matt2 [mailto:amstereo@optushome.com.au] Sent: Sunday, 30 June 2002 6:19 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} nortel nolonger supplying stereo "Thank you for your e-mail message expressing interest in NAUTEL fully solid state Medium Wave AM Broadcast Transmitters. Attached is the technical information (in PDF format) and quotation (in MS Word format) you requested for the NAUTEL ND1, 1kW solid state AM broadcast transmitter. Note that AM Stereo is no longer available due to the incompatibility with future digital radio formats." what a crock, i am finding information for local broadcaster - to - be, switch 1197 these guys won't supply stereo, do they have no idea that digital AM is not going to be on band in australia, i dunno. mail them and whinge, From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sun Jun 30 18:01:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Jul 2002 01:01:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 75792 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2002 01:01:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2002 01:01:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf24bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 01:01:49 -0000 Received: from juan ([67.34.50.184]) by imf24bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020701010148.QTIP1238.imf24bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 21:01:48 -0400 Message-ID: <002801c2209a$e07f3280$b8322243@juan> To: References: <50.da452f5.2a500c3f@aol.com> <08f101c2204b$fbbb7e40$b7f9bed8@kredding430cdt> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Reregulation and not elimination Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 21:01:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane I agree Kevin..many college stations hire former pro people..and students get the leftovers.....it's all about $$$$. They fill most of the programming with NPR..beg for money...and I swear this is true...a PD from a public station that got government money, told me that at the end of the year, they actually had to spend close to $100,000 or they would have there funding cut from the government, so they actually had to buy equitment they didn't need. I understand not all stations are like this. But the greed is out there. I like NPR, but it is simply like Premier Radio Network..... but providing programming to "public" stations. I am still really angry on NPR's stand on LPFM...God help them if they lose some $$$$$ BTW, I think we neeed de-regulation, but eliminating commercial radio ? come on now One more point.....When in radio school, some dumb-ass came in, from a local AM station in Miami.....he was listening to our work. When my tape played...he told me I would never make it in radio, and I told him "f*** you" ..to the horrow of our teacher....Guess what ? I am still in radio, he is not. So Eric, don't believe it when someone says you won't make it. Work hard. You'll have to do some grunt work. But if it is meant to be, it will happen. 80% is atittude and hard work, only 20% is talent. Eric, you are bitter, I don't blame you, but give it a try again. Juan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" To: Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 11:37 AM Subject: {AMSF} Reregulation and not elimination > > If commercial radio were to be eliminated, the only group of people who > would > > be hurt would be the corporate entities. > And the people who work for them, and the people who used to advertize and the people who used to work for the advertizing agencies, and the people who > pay taxes who have to support these people thrown out of work by your > ignorant ideas because we all will have to pay them unemployment, food > stamps, medical care, housing subsidies and re-education funding. > > Yeah, we would have to do this. Perhaps you didn't think this through. > > > Who would benefit? > > A handful of people at the cost of more than were helped. > > > Not just NPR, but > > also various religious organizations (even those who have no on-air > presence, > > such as Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists and minority Christian sects), ethnic > > groups, > > Isn't this what LPFM is supposed to do? Well Eric? > > > and the colleges and universities > > wanting to set up student-run radio stations, among others. > > BULLCRAP. Most of these colleges suck up the NPR network programming and > they don't use students but people who are unable to find work anywhere > else. The students are still left out of the equation in most cases. > > > Advertisers can > > still go to television, newspapers and the Internet. Many advertisers > won't > > miss radio one bit. > > BULLCRAP. Your ideas will throw the advertizing copywriters and voiceover > people out of work. I guess two stupid moves will make one good one? > > > If commercial radio were eliminated, I would most likely be on the air on > a > > daily basis. If it were reregulated, I would still have a chance to work > in > > the field, although it won't be full-time. > > Eric, I agree with reregulation but I vehemently disagree with your ideas on > elimination of commercial radio. Remember, those with the best voices get > hired. If a person doesn't have a good radio voice, they will always have a > hard time getting hired as an announcer. > > I just know that you haven't considered what people call the "unintended > consequences." > > Kevin > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From dav259@csiro.au Sun Jun 30 18:17:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Jul 2002 01:17:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 8185 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2002 01:17:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2002 01:17:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 01:17:25 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA19696 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:17:23 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:17:23 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM stereo In-Reply-To: <20020630045558.88346.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Sat, 29 Jun 2002, Jay wrote: > Ian - How much does it cost to put a new AM station on > the air there? Hi Jay Bloody heaps ... as the ABA auctions off new commercial licences. You used to have to be a "fit and proper" person - but no more ... now it's all down to money. The last Melbourne station Nova-FM paid A$70,000,000 just for the licence - then they had all the start up studio/transmitter costs on top of that. The licence was bought by DMG (the UK Daily Mail Group) as Clear Channel already has its quota here. We haven't had a new AM commercial licence issued since 3MP in 1975. I'm guessing - but a commercial AM licence may go for about A$15,000,000. Ian - apparently an "elitist snob" who likes NPR :) [ variety is the spice of life ] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sun Jun 30 18:33:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Jul 2002 01:33:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 34879 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2002 01:33:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2002 01:33:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf08bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.48) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 01:33:20 -0000 Received: from juan ([67.34.50.184]) by imf08bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020701013450.VSBT6854.imf08bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 21:34:50 -0400 Message-ID: <004601c2209f$48305090$b8322243@juan> To: References: <001f01c22073$eeb25e30$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> <000b01c22081$719ed5a0$0101a8c0@pavilion> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Reregulation and not elimination Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 21:33:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Amen !!! Juan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Cuff" To: Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 5:59 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Reregulation and not elimination > OK, My turn- As for no one caring: How can anyone care when they DON"T KNOW > a technology exists? I proved this beyond a shadow of a doubt when I did the > promo morning show on KCJJ. > I beat my gums for 3 hours about am stereo. I sold radios after that. The > people listened. The people liked it. > Prior to the show, I had been giving away radios to listeners that contacted > me by email - as long as they were listening, they would know how to win a > radio. The key? KCJJ advertises stereo! > Now- IBOC- You cannot be serious if you think CC orr any other corp is gonna > lay out cash to downgrade to IBOC. It is NOT gonna happen. I have email from > Infinity saying they are STAYING ANALOG. Yes, there is going to be a > tremendous push. If what i read about Nautel stopping the supply of exciters > is true, it is a grave injustice. It makes me think (and this is ONLY MY > OPINION) that IBOC people are paying transmittetr manufacturers to give up > cquam. > I keep going for one reason- a prophecy I mentioned 3 years ago is now > happening. Smaller mom & pop stations are buying stereo equipment and using > it. Home town radio is where it's at. A tough fight, but I am not giving up. > It is exactly what they want. F*** 'em all. > Chris From matthew.trim@eds.com Sun Jun 30 18:34:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Jul 2002 01:34:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 50151 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2002 01:34:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2002 01:34:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns5.eds.com) (203.17.185.230) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 01:34:51 -0000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com (nnsy-3.eds.com [192.168.1.1]) by ns5.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g611YeG16214 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:34:40 +1000 (EST) Received: from nnsy.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g611YZP25812 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:34:36 +1000 (EST) Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g611YWW25779 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:34:32 +1000 (EST) Received: by AUSYM000 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:34:09 +1000 Message-ID: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542809CAF228@AUSYM200> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: AM stereo Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:34:04 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Basically you'd be better off trying to buy an existing AM station - might be able to get one fairly cheaply depending on the market.... -----Original Message----- From: Ian Davidson [mailto:dav259@csiro.au] Sent: Monday, 1 July 2002 11:17 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM stereo On Sat, 29 Jun 2002, Jay wrote: > Ian - How much does it cost to put a new AM station on > the air there? Hi Jay Bloody heaps ... as the ABA auctions off new commercial licences. You used to have to be a "fit and proper" person - but no more ... now it's all down to money. The last Melbourne station Nova-FM paid A$70,000,000 just for the licence - then they had all the start up studio/transmitter costs on top of that. The licence was bought by DMG (the UK Daily Mail Group) as Clear Channel already has its quota here. We haven't had a new AM commercial licence issued since 3MP in 1975. I'm guessing - but a commercial AM licence may go for about A$15,000,000. Ian - apparently an "elitist snob" who likes NPR :) [ variety is the spice of life ] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sun Jun 30 18:57:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Jul 2002 01:57:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 71011 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2002 01:57:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2002 01:57:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf05bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.165) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 01:57:07 -0000 Received: from juan ([67.34.50.184]) by imf05bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020701015837.SZKO139.imf05bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 21:58:37 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01c220a2$9ab32e20$b8322243@juan> To: Subject: On a Ligher Note Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 21:57:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WTTB should have the Stereo STL to use in a week. On a bummer note..the only Processer we have (Stereo) is an Optomod 8100. So we will keep trying Juan WTTB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Sun Jun 30 19:20:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Jul 2002 02:20:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 72606 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2002 02:20:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2002 02:20:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 02:20:03 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g612Mn0c009503 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 22:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D1FBB6E.3FEB03D6@skyweb.net> Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 22:16:14 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Reregulation and not elimination References: <001f01c22073$eeb25e30$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WoW.. I'm supposed to get paid as an Engineer.. I did not know that... I thought that my working For free was required for the First 3 years.. by My Figuring... I guess I should just ask the FCC to hand me over the old Station License for lack of payment..... Hell they approved the transfer of the License to a guy who Lied on the application. and he still holds the License... Neal mychucky@funport.net wrote: > Whew I am worn out listening to all this ranting and raving, I guess > I need stock in Palmolive cause this is a lot of soap boxes everyone > has parked on today. > Radio is a business and the business of radio is Money if it don't > make money you cant pay the engineer (the most important person, > doesn't everyone agree?) Last time I checked my check was for > Technical Services, I was once reminded of that by the CEO when I > asked about programming. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Sun Jun 30 19:29:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Jul 2002 02:29:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 3282 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2002 02:29:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2002 02:29:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 02:29:07 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g612Vs0c010413 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 22:31:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D1FBD90.A0D9D15B@skyweb.net> Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 22:25:20 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} stereo bandscan References: <002901c22084$7749eaa0$0101a8c0@pavilion> From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Chris you can actually Hear WTTM up that way? Cool... I spoke with Verizon Thursday.. they are trying For July 2nd.. But possibly after the 4th... they are running into what they told me a Phasing/delay problem adding the second line?whatever that Means... I figure within the Next week or 2 I will Be in Full stereo Neal Christopher Cuff wrote: > Daytime, 3PM, sony SRFXM100 digital walkman. unaided. > 1660- a pilot today! Muddy audio on the right channel. I have not seen > a > pliot here in ages. > 1680- Great sound , pilot only > 1430 WSNY > 1170 WYNS > 1210 WPHT > 990 > 850 WREF > 800 WLAD > 600 WICC > cc > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Jul 01 00:07:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Jul 2002 07:07:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 32452 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2002 07:07:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2002 07:07:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11704.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 07:07:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20020701070714.73329.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.37.180] by web11704.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 00:07:14 PDT Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 00:07:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: stereo bandscan To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio 990 would be WLGZ-Rochester. WALE blocks them when my idiot coworkers don't shut the f-in' XMTR. off. They think they don't have to because they've been told the XMTR. is so old if they did shut it off they couldn't get it back up. But, WALE is in the process of being sold, so this shouldn't be the case too much longer. Any F.C.C. action other than approval of the sale would be detrimental to radio as a whole, so please let this sale happen so Providence can be rid of North American Broadcasting. Disservice since 1989! Remember, none of you saw this! Moi. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Jul 01 00:51:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Jul 2002 07:51:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 68624 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2002 07:51:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2002 07:51:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 07:51:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2002 07:51:41 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 07:51:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Alfredo lite mods Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 155 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereoguy2001" X-Originating-IP: 208.20.8.38 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I have posted a picture of the changes made to the Alfedo Lite. The picture can be seen by clicking on the "photos" link at this groups home page. Chris From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Jul 01 00:59:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Jul 2002 07:59:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 40289 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2002 07:59:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2002 07:59:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 07:59:29 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.38]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 03:58:41 -0400 Message-ID: <005101c220d5$4608cd20$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: JSG board Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 03:59:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I was impressed by your work! I cannot figure out how to print it in "real size", however, to make a pc board. I also take comfort to know that someone else is actually making circuits for am stereo.... CC ----- Original Message ----- From: jsgilst From dav259@csiro.au Mon Jul 01 01:48:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Jul 2002 08:48:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 87477 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2002 08:48:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2002 08:48:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 08:48:43 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21075 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:48:41 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:48:41 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS -- why is it disappearing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Sun, 30 Jun 2002, amfmguy wrote: > I have to claim a certain amount of naivety when it come to the > actual demise of AMS. One could ask ... when did it ever really arise so that it could demise??? > I heard from one unimpeachaable source that it was all the > controversy surrounding AMS and the final selection of C-QUAM that > contributed to its demise. I heard also that C-QUAM xmtrs were high > maintenance if you cared about the quality of your AMS. I'm non-tech ... but I know what I hear. When something better turns up I'll go for it. For 17 years I've listened to AMS on a walkman getting to and from work. I jumped on the bike tonight and was nearly blown away with the stereo hi-fi quality which was Matt Munro singing "Walk Away". Now they're advertising cell-phones here that are FM radios as well. And that's great for those who like the programming on FM stations. But nothing will drive me away from AMS unless the programming of anything else is as good and the quality is equal or better. I don't want a CD or minidisk walkman where I virtually know what's coming up next. I like the element of surprise - plus the news, weather, and traffic reports. In one of my posts to 3MP's supremo I actually said I didn't like the way they say "after the news we'll hear tracks by X, Y, and Bette Middler" (I don't like Bette Middler - let's call her Z). I like the element of surprise ... or mild disappointment. Hey - nice to see this list light up in the last couple of days. And the common thread (whether you are a capitalist, fundamentalist, fatalist, or Collingwood Magpies supporter) has been on programming. After all that is what radio is all about. And I can only say we are blessed in our country with publicly funded broadcasting. It's more legit on the one hand and experimental on the other. If it rates the commercial moguls will grab a new successful format overnight. But we're here to promote AM stereo. Let's do it! Ian - Melbourne From mychucky@funport.net Mon Jul 01 07:03:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mychucky@funport.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Jul 2002 14:03:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 18427 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2002 14:03:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2002 14:03:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.funport.com) (216.199.19.6) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 14:03:04 -0000 Received: from FatMusic2000 ([]) by mail.funport.com (Merak 4.4.3) with SMTP id JFB36580 for ; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 10:00:40 -0400 Message-ID: <001801c22108$23902760$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Reregulation and not elimination Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:03:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85836819 X-Yahoo-Profile: mychucky1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmmm I only sell radios that come stock with world band fm tuners 76 -108 and AM already converted to 10 kc.No user intervention is required. Just wanted to set that straight. All conversions are done with front panel controls or in a rare instance where the consumer wants a 9kc/10kc switch the unit comes to me first then to the consumer. My analogy to cell phones were the already expressed reluctance of a Station to pay 10,000 to 30,000 for an IBOC installation Plus the software license fee that is proposed for yearly use. Even if the equipment manufacturers hide the cost of the IBOC in the price the station still pays This is why I see IBOC giving away the Software initially so as to collect the monthly/yearly fee's from the station for the use of the Codex. This puts the system on the street far sooner than if IBOC has to wait for stations to convert. This will put the manufacturers on notice that they need to produce the radios. It will also help that the FM's will be joining the AM's. the death knell for IBOC would be the same as AM Stereo if they don't give it away and charge later. That was one of the issues with AM Stereo, What comes first radios or Transmitters well it seems that there are more transmitters now than radios.In 1988 there were no transmitters to speak of and a few radios. I talked to dozens of manufactures and they all tried to tell me that no stations broadcast in AM Stereo. This was their excuse for not making radios. If Clear Channel makes a buy like that it could create the momentum necessary in a short time, but Clear Channel is a business where is their payoff in helping IBOC, show me the profit. Remain cognizant that their (CC) stock is waaaaay down currently. and there are NO radios in consumers hands. Are you sure IBOC sounds so bad, The AM nighttime issue is still not resolved which could in itself save AM Stereo but I don't see manufactures putting AM Stereo chips in radios plus IBOC chips too. look at RDS it is practically forgotten and outlawed in some cities for causing accidents while people watched their screens instead of the road. Ok your turn Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: . Narkspud To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 5:40 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Reregulation and not elimination >Whew I am worn out listening to all this ranting and raving, I guess I need >stock in Palmolive cause this is a lot of soap boxes everyone has parked on >today. Heh heh. At least the company that makes the soapboxes. Wouldn't have it any other way. It's cause we're passionate about radio. Not a bad thing. >Now as to AM Stereo.......I been running a site www.stereoam.com for 4 >years now. NO ONE CARES. I have sold 4 AM Stereo radios/tuners/ ect since >January, and about one every 6 weeks in 2001 Does that tell you something. Well. . .it tells me that people are reluctant to spend 300 bucks on a Japanese home rig that has to be converted for US use. I can understand that. I'm one of those people. If you offered some inexpensive walkmen and boomboxes, I bet the results would be much different. I've bought a couple of those recently. >The promoters of IBOC will find a way to get their systems in Radio >Stations if they have to pay for it themselves. Cell phones started out for >100's of dollars and now they are FREE. The promoters of IBOC will not do anything of the sort--they will be relying on professional equipment sales for much of their revenue. They're hoping one of the big boys, say Clear Channel, makes a whopping enormous group buy. Probably will happen, so prepare yourselves. The cell phone analogy is not appropriate, since you pay for the phone through your monthly service fees. IBOC, as I understand it, will not collect fees from listeners. >Yes I know I am preaching to the choir, Chris C and Kevin and I kept >websites on the net for years and stations don't even put the AM Stereo on >their logos. >Closet AM Stereo Stations. Bingo! THAT'S a big hunk of the problem. How tough would it be for KDIS to say "Stereo AM 710, Radio Disney" on their liners. One extra three-syllable word. Doesn't cost 'em a thing. That's one way this list can make a difference. Lobby the AM Stereo stations currently on the air to PROMOTE IT! We can grouse all we want about the programming and Clear Channel's business practices and such as that, but the purpose of the list is to promote AM Stereo. My Palmolive soapbox and I say that AM Stereo WILL work if we (or they, or whichever pronoun you care to use) (1) Promote to the unwashed masses AM Stereo's existence and inherent superiority (see KDIS example above) (2) Provide said masses with competitive, affordable radios that will receive it (3) Get the damn stations to broadcast it. IBOC may be the biggest friend AM Stereo ever had. If it sucks as bad as we hear it does, then any station dumb enough to try it will get their heads blown off by the marketplace. Station A switches on the IBOC and their sound quality goes into the toilet. Station B turns on their AM Stereo generator and starts promoting their infinitely superior sound quality on the air. Station A notes the competitor's reaction, the listener complaints, and the dizzying drop in ratings. And shuts off IBOC and switches their own AM Stereo generator on. Repeat as needed. I'm looking forward to KFI doing this. . . DON'T GIVE UP, GUYS! narkspud _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mychucky@funport.net Mon Jul 01 07:32:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mychucky@funport.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Jul 2002 14:32:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 13435 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2002 14:32:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2002 14:32:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.funport.com) (216.199.19.6) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 14:32:32 -0000 Received: from FatMusic2000 ([]) by mail.funport.com (Merak 4.4.3) with SMTP id JFB36580 for ; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 10:30:10 -0400 Message-ID: <004d01c2210c$43028d00$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> To: References: <002901c22084$7749eaa0$0101a8c0@pavilion> <3D1FBD90.A0D9D15B@skyweb.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} stereo bandscan Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:33:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85836819 X-Yahoo-Profile: mychucky1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neil, As an experienced AM Stereo Engineer if you have ANY even the minutest (is that spelled correctly) phase delay on one channel it will absolutely wreak your on air volume. Call me for a complete explanation if you want to compare notes Chuck Simpson 1.904.680.1101 I assume that your reference to Verison means you are sending your audio to the transmitter via phone line? IF so let them take their time to get it right. Even then it may not be but I digress. Chuck Simpson www.stereoam.com www.mymix105.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Neal Newman To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 10:25 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} stereo bandscan Hey Chris you can actually Hear WTTM up that way? Cool... I spoke with Verizon Thursday.. they are trying For July 2nd.. But possibly after the 4th... they are running into what they told me a Phasing/delay problem adding the second line?whatever that Means... I figure within the Next week or 2 I will Be in Full stereo Neal Christopher Cuff wrote: > Daytime, 3PM, sony SRFXM100 digital walkman. unaided. > 1660- a pilot today! Muddy audio on the right channel. I have not seen > a > pliot here in ages. > 1680- Great sound , pilot only > 1430 WSNY > 1170 WYNS > 1210 WPHT > 990 > 850 WREF > 800 WLAD > 600 WICC > cc > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From narkspud@hotmail.com Mon Jul 01 08:24:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Jul 2002 15:24:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 1278 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2002 15:23:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2002 15:23:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.140) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 15:24:00 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 08:24:00 -0700 Received: from 67.89.146.146 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 15:24:00 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: The IBOC debate continues! Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 08:24:00 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2002 15:24:00.0816 (UTC) FILETIME=[53766B00:01C22113] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.89.146.146] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud >Hmmm I only sell radios that come stock with world band fm tuners 76 -108 >and AM already converted to >10 kc.No user intervention is required. >Just wanted to set that straight. All conversions are done with front panel >controls or in a rare instance >where the consumer wants a 9kc/10kc switch >the unit comes to me first then to the consumer. I'd make that clearer on the site! I got the impression that you were getting into the guts and converting them yourself. I think price and selection are your biggest issues, though. Hopefully you'll attract some more buyers when your link is added to amstereoradio.com >This is why I see IBOC giving away the >Software initially so as to collect the monthly/yearly fee's from the >station for the use of the Codex. Oh. . .is THAT their little game? License fees for the codec??? These guys are insane. Station owners would have to be terminally bananas to sign up for this. Even if they do give it away initially. >This will put the manufacturers on notice that they need to produce the >radios. It will also help that the >FM's will be joining the AM's. Again, at what cost? XM and Sirius radios aren't exactly flying out the door. Overpriced radios are very difficult to sell. Will I be able to buy an IBOC/CD/Cassette boombox for under $75? A walkman for under $40? >If Clear Channel makes a buy like that it could create the momentum >necessary in a short time, but Clear >Channel is a business where is their >payoff >in helping IBOC, show me the profit. Remain cognizant that their (CC) stock >is waaaaay down currently. >and there are NO radios in consumers hands. The scenario I was thinking of (and it need not be Clear Channel) is that the IBOC guys make a real sweetheart deal with one of the major conglomerates to add IBOC to all their stations. We're really thinking the same thing here. They're going to have to do something to get the system on the air in a big way. The payoff would allegedly be competitive advantage. . .something to promote to listeners and advertisers. . .getting in on the ground floor of a superior new technology. I personally think all this is poppycock in this instance, but there may be some corporate types in the industry who disagree with me. We shall see. >Are you sure IBOC sounds so bad, I don't even think that's the issue, although I stopped trusting corporate assessments of digital sound quality right around the time the RIAA started howling about mp3s being "near CD quality." The issue is what the stations are going to sound like on the radios that are out there now. AM stereo, at worst, drops apparent loudness a bit. AM IBOC's analog signal, at best, will sound like TIS. I'm sure there are people in the radio industry dumb enough to make this tradeoff. These people will be very sorry when the ratings come in. That's when AM IBOC goes bye bye. I think IBOC has a good shot of being a permanent part of the FM band. But AM? No way. Back to you. narkspud _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Mon Jul 01 08:32:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Jul 2002 15:32:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 19323 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2002 15:32:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2002 15:32:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.32.181.94) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 15:32:17 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 08:32:17 -0700 Received: from 208.228.96.20 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 15:32:17 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} The IBOC debate continues! Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 11:32:17 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2002 15:32:17.0361 (UTC) FILETIME=[7B6D2C10:01C22114] From: "Chris Cuff" X-Originating-IP: [208.228.96.20] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059 Now, as far as this goes, no worries here- they do not have enough cash to give away equipment, especially now with the comm sector fighting to stay alive. No way it will happen this way. Another thing- you do not see many stations rushing to give their exciters up.. a lot of "wait & see" is going on right now. And as for XM, sales are still flat, despite new $50.00 cash incentives.. although, I have no beef with XM. If they were in CD quality REAL stereo, I would have one. Does anyone on this list hAVE xm? I would like to here a users report. Fade outs, skips, etc. CC _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From amfmdx@fastq.com Mon Jul 01 08:46:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Jul 2002 15:46:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 73131 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2002 15:46:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2002 15:46:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 15:46:03 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d210-osel-phx.fastq.com [207.173.146.199]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g61Fk1n26857 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 08:46:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <008c01c22116$562ecce0$5cf9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <001801c22108$23902760$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Reregulation and not elimination Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 08:45:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Hmmm I only sell radios that come stock with world band fm tuners 76 -108 and AM already converted to 10 kc.No user intervention is required. Chuck, I know you can't give the radios away. I know that you have to make some money with this. I know that I don't work for free and you should not be asked to do this either. That said.... I have looked at your site many times and wanted to buy one of the sets but the price is way too steep for my blood. Thats what held me back from getting one of your units. Kevin From amfmdx@fastq.com Mon Jul 01 08:55:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Jul 2002 15:55:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 97203 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2002 15:55:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2002 15:55:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 15:55:06 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d210-osel-phx.fastq.com [207.173.146.199]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g61Ft4n27102 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 08:55:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <009201c22117$9992e2e0$5cf9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Sirius / XM / IBOC Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 08:54:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Another thing- you do not see many stations rushing to give their exciters > up.. a lot of "wait & see" is going on right now. I think a lot of stations are thinking that the price to upgrade is way too high and will bankrupt them. They are afraid that they will have this huge outlay of cash and AM IBOC will be a bust. They are all thinking that to put this cash outlay into action and not to be able to use it 24/7 is a waste of money. > And as for XM, sales are still flat, despite new $50.00 cash incentives.. I have an Audio Express store right around the corner from my house. They had this huge Sirius thing with an 18 wheel truck, big tethered balloons, people from Sirius there and the whole 9 yards. How many Sirius radios did they sell? ZERO. They had the same with XM and they sold 3. People aren't buying into a $300 radio to listen to in your car that you have to pay $10 to $15 a month. I know that I didn't run out to get one. > although, I have no beef with XM. If they were in CD quality REAL stereo, I > would have one. Does anyone on this list hAVE xm? Does XM and Sirius have stereo or not? Kevin From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Mon Jul 01 09:00:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Jul 2002 16:00:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 29790 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2002 16:00:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2002 16:00:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.32.181.127) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 16:00:22 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 09:00:22 -0700 Received: from 208.228.96.20 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 16:00:22 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sirius / XM / IBOC Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 12:00:22 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2002 16:00:22.0663 (UTC) FILETIME=[67F1D970:01C22118] From: "Chris Cuff" X-Originating-IP: [208.228.96.20] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059 I tried to find out- I could never get an answer from them, and in-store demos sounded like "psuedo-stereo"- songs I knew sounded bad and not true stereo. CC >From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: >> >> >Does XM and Sirius have stereo or not? > >Kevin > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From narkspud@hotmail.com Mon Jul 01 09:55:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Jul 2002 16:55:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 99278 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2002 16:55:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2002 16:55:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.153) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 16:55:46 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 09:55:46 -0700 Received: from 67.89.146.146 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 16:55:46 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: XM Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 09:55:46 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2002 16:55:46.0588 (UTC) FILETIME=[25288DC0:01C22120] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.89.146.146] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud >And as for XM, sales are still flat, despite new $50.00 cash incentives.. >although, I have no beef with XM. If they were in CD quality REAL stereo, I >would have one. Does anyone on this list hAVE xm? >I would like to here a users report. Fade outs, skips, etc. >CC Last weekend I stood in Circuit City for about an hour auditioning one of those suckers. I can't speak for fadeouts and skips and such, except that Citcuit City's stationery rig didn't do any of those things. First of all, every music channel I checked was in true stereo. Sound quality was about the same as digital cable audio. No swishy artifacts. The codec showed itself in the form of rather cold, sizzly-sounding high frequencies. They did seem to be using at least some dynamic range compression and other processing--it did not sound like CD. I must admit, though, it sounded pretty good. Not fabulous, but pretty good. With. like, 150 or so choices, I still didn't find a station that I felt I could close myself in a room and listen to for hours. Most of the choices were TOO narrow. For instance, I want to hear a mix of oldies, not 5 channels segregated by decade. And yes, they charge you a monthly fee, AND advertise at you. Not for me, but I can see how others might find it worth the money. narkspud _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From mychucky@funport.net Mon Jul 01 10:07:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mychucky@funport.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Jul 2002 17:07:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 18865 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2002 17:07:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2002 17:07:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.funport.com) (216.199.19.6) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 17:07:45 -0000 Received: from FatMusic2000 ([]) by mail.funport.com (Merak 4.4.3) with SMTP id JFB36580 for ; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 13:05:24 -0400 Message-ID: <00cc01c22121$f20b9d40$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> To: References: <001801c22108$23902760$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> <008c01c22116$562ecce0$5cf9bed8@kredding430cdt> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Reregulation and not elimination Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:08:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85836819 X-Yahoo-Profile: mychucky1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NO need to apologize, But to let everyone see what happens behind the scenes here is a little food for thought. I DO mark them up 100%. After I pay retail for them in Japan because I only get one at a time, When you look at the steps that have to be taken to actually get it in a consumers hands it is a costly proposition and one mistake can ruin any possible profit on more than one sale. I once got a shipping return from Guatemala package refused that cost $270.00 in freight after it made the round trip. 1 The cost of the radio.Dead Retail. 2 Pay the buyer his 15% I suspect he gets them at an employee discount that is not passed on to me so he probably makes 25 or 30%. 3 Shipping over here $30.00 minimum most times for a tuner $15 or so for portables. 4 If I add a tuner Pak to the FM there is double shipping from me to the customer. Then the cost of doing business. 5 $30.00 for the Web Site. 6 $39.00 a month for the credit card software lease. 7 $25.00 minimum charge per month from Card Service International it takes about $2000.00 in sales to make the minimum go away. 8 2% surcharge on all credit card sales Basically if I make one sale a month for $200.00 on a radio that cost $100.00 I broke even. The Aiwa portables cost $78.00 in Japan when they were available. When I sold them for $225.00 my cut was about $50.00 in my pocket If I sold two I made money. If I go two months without a sale I break even , after 3 months I lost money. So why do I do it. I still believe in the system, I still want to piss off Sony and embarrass them into selling AM Stereo Radios in the US. However my dubious success is probably why they don't. When the yen was down 30% it was not quite as bad, however at today's prices these figures are accurate. Then you must consider my warranty policy I have had to repair a few radios and pay the shipping to the Aiwa warranty station and then back to the customer. There are a few customers that I KNOW didled their radios which is a polite way of saying $$((^ked them up and I could not prove it and I had to eat the shipping. I sold one radio for $147.00 this month it cost me $78.00.................where's the profit? But I like to think that I am doing a service and backing up what I say with action. Anyway don't worry about the pricey web site stuff..........if you have one or two that's enough to listen to right. I have one Yamaha tuner and The Aiwa Portable in my collection. and that's enough. Actually my Yamaha is broke cause I had to rob a part from it to repair a customers tuner. he claims it quit... I know lightning damage when I see it.......... So there is a little information from the trenches. Everyone keep up the fight. Chuck www.stereoam.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin - Mesa, Arizona To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 11:45 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Reregulation and not elimination > Hmmm I only sell radios that come stock with world band fm tuners 76 -108 and AM already converted to 10 kc.No user intervention is required. Chuck, I know you can't give the radios away. I know that you have to make some money with this. I know that I don't work for free and you should not be asked to do this either. That said.... I have looked at your site many times and wanted to buy one of the sets but the price is way too steep for my blood. Thats what held me back from getting one of your units. Kevin Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jsgil@hal-pc.org Mon Jul 01 10:54:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Jul 2002 17:54:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 26268 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2002 17:54:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2002 17:54:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 17:54:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2002 17:54:20 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 17:54:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: JSG board Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005101c220d5$4608cd20$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1560 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.187 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Christopher Cuff" wrote: > I was impressed by your work! I cannot figure out how to print it in "real > size", however, to make a pc board. > I also take comfort to know that someone else is actually making circuits > for am stereo.... > CC > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jsgilst Thanks for the reply. For some reason I have not been able to set the printing DPI in a GIF to 1200. Even if I define it as 1200 DPI and save it will be 72 DPI when I reopen it. It seems GIF likes 72 DPI. I've tried this in 2 different image programs. When I print it I am using Micrografx Picture Publisher and I use the resize feature to change the DPI. The resize feature has a drop down menu with pixels, inches, mm, ... and I choose pixels. In the entry for DPI I change from 72 to 1200. I then go back to the drop down menu and choose inches and it displays the correct size in inches. I then click OK to resize the image. From what I can tell this doesn't change the number of pixels in the image but changes the printing resolution. I then choose print and it prints the correct size. If I save it it appearently is saved as 72 DPI because I have to resize it every time open it to print it. I chose GIF and not JPG because it is a compressed format and handles line art well and most everybody can read it. I also have a vectorized version in encapsulated postscript which is what I export it in from the drawing program. I may have to look into using other image formats if this is a big problem. JSG From KC4QLP@aol.com Mon Jul 01 12:43:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Jul 2002 19:43:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 68674 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2002 19:43:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2002 19:43:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r03.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.99) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 19:43:00 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.4f.1fc1b98b (3972) for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 15:42:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4f.1fc1b98b.2a520abb@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 15:42:51 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Reregulation and not elimination To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 6/30/02 4:22:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mychucky@funport.net writes: << Now as to AM Stereo.......I been running a site www.stereoam.com for 4 years now. NO ONE CARES. I have sold 4 AM Stereo radios/tuners/ ect since January, and about one every 6 weeks in 2001 Does that tell you something. The site does not pay for itself, I support it. Now how's that for ranting and raving.......any way bottom line is AM Stereo is going down (Hey don't shoot the messenger) not because it isn't great, but because the diluting effects of IBOC will take the resources. The promoters of IBOC will find a way to get their systems in Radio Stations if they have to pay for it themselves. Cell phones started out for 100's of dollars and now they are FREE. Worst case scenario would be IBOC goes Belly up and takes the remaining thoughts of AM Stereo with it. >> I have to sadly agree....I've been making such suggestions that promoting AM Stereo {radios ,radio stations etc etc.} would only be an uphill matter.....seems as if I've been talking to deaf walls of late. I used to get several questions via email from people visiting www.wgai560am.com and asking where they could get AM Stereo receivers,even a few phone calls.Usually the response after refering these people to the stereoam.com website was mostly silence. I too hate to see the digital days come...seems like the industry is focusing on sound to much rather than content...but hey that beating a dead horse...the industry will never listen. Until the digital age kills everything analog,I will continue to enjoy and promote AM Stereo..no matter how popular it does or does not become. Chuck,,thanks for providing that outlet for those who still have the need for ready made AM stereo radios.As for the rest {way to many names to list}keep up the hard work..and the fight. Lets enjoy what we have while we have it. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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Until the radios are in the common places where common people visit..it becomes a mute point. <<(3) Get the damn stations to broadcast it. >> For new or current stations not broadcasting in stereo have no incentive to broadcast stereo if the receivers are not where people can get them easily.True the two go hand in hand...but a radio station generally will not spend money on something that they think will not get a huge benefit from the general public and themselves. A radio station is like any other kind of business..whether its a TV station,newspaper,gas station,etc etc...it has to make money in order to continue to operate. Sitting here reading about someone piss and moan about NPR and why they cant get into the biz is right down nerve racking.Stop whining and get into the biz and learn something..you would be surprised what you might find out how a business operates. I keep reading about how things should be done or that should not be done ...yadda ,yadda yadda....yet I see very few actually doing something.I'm doing my part here.....and one thing is for sure..I cant force receiver manufactures to make AM Stereo radios if they do not have the general support from the industry..and radio stations arent going to just pop on the pilots over night without that same support.Like I say....its an uphill battle....and now with IBOC {succeeding or failing-whatever happens} there is a mud slide to boot in this battle. Take it from someone that knows whats going on {no whining here...soap box mode "OFF"} Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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Here's what I mean: Eric, talking with you is like talking with a rock. You have the last word. If you want to be in commercial broadcasting and then you rip owners on the internet, theres a consequence Eric. Think about it. Kevin >> With all the griping,slandering and whining...He wouldnt last long in the biz...that is if anyone was in desperate need of a board op.....but then again...there are not any stations that I know of that would hire whiners and people slammers.They present to high of a liability. I'm surprised no slander suits have been draw up over whats gone down over the past few years..I gather some in the larger corporations dont take to highly of whats being said...and they are lurking and taking careful notes. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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Same here -- I listened to an in-store demo of XM and even the '60s Oldies channel did not have any real Stereo separation. The audio had a little "space" to it, but even with my head stuck between the two small speakers they had set up, I could not hear any real Stereo! Also, XM and Sirius both use the same digital audio encoding, which is 64 kbps with SBR. SBR is "Spatial Band Replication" which means all of the audio above 8 kHz is FAKE. It is "replicated" (faked) based on harmonics of the lower frequencies. So in addition to the apparent lack of true Stereo, XM and Sirius also lack true treble response -- the high frequencies that SBR creates do not necessarily have any relation to the original treble content of the music! (In other words, it's like "colorizing" a black & white photo -- compared to a *true* color photo of the same thing, the colors may be all wrong!) It makes one wonder... if XM/Sirius's audio quality has to be compromised so much at 64 kbps, how is AM IBOC going to sound with its bit rate of only 36 kbps!? "FM-Quality Stereo Sound", my arse! From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Jul 01 15:09:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Jul 2002 22:09:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 2914 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2002 22:09:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2002 22:09:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11706.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 22:09:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20020701220950.43394.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.37.180] by web11706.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 15:09:50 PDT Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 15:09:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} (OT, y'know) NPR Rant To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20020630210255.79409.qmail@web14911.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio N.P.R. has a lesser rate of A.M. Stereo than commercial radio. We, UNFORTUNATELY, have two on A.M. in R.I. and neither is stereo. Except for that station in Jefferson, Or. (?) I don't know of any others. Jeez, that's about as low as Clear Channel's rating. 1/350 vs. 1/1225. Still less than 1%! N.P.R. must leave A.M. and be on as few F.M.s as possible. Let them exist so people think F.M. is even more BORING than it is now. Yes, I think they are promoting the liberal agenda and are hypocritical. You'd think that a so-called cultural outlet would have black & Spanish programming. Nope-just lilly-liver white-bread. We can't hear black music, but if you want to hear folk music? Ooh boy. That and classical...BAD classical. Someone needs to tell N.P.R. it's not the '60s anymore. Be upbeat. News and talk don't belong on F.M., and the B.B.C. belongs on Shortwave and in the U.K.. We're not a colony, nor do the majority of Americans want to be British. No one listens to college radio for the audio, although most leave their processing flat. What's wrong with that. I've heard a lot of college radio, and at least I've never heard a 60-cycle hum. That seems to be the norm on some A.M.s. To summarize, N.P.R.- give the kids a fighting chance. If college T.V. existed, I'd probably say the same to P.B.S.. Also N.P.R., stop living on our tax dollars. I know you think it's all cool and is kinda socialist (which is why you do it), but be the good guys and say you're going to live off of donations and underwriting and try to survive like every other radio station. The A.M.s I've worked at are in worse shape than you guys and at least they can say they tried. You're like a welfare queen. Now to go back to listening to the college station playing rap. PEACE! 73, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Jul 01 15:19:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Jul 2002 22:19:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 98779 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2002 22:19:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2002 22:19:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 22:19:33 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.53]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:18:48 -0400 Message-ID: <007201c2214d$6c88d3a0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <20020701220950.43394.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} (OT, y'know) NPR Rant Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:19:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Jay wrote: > Now to go back to listening to the college > station playing rap. PEACE! > CC writes: "shudder"...... I am listening right now to my old 45's right now. (ya know, those things that look like big holed CD's?) Earl Grant, The Passions, Dion and the Belmonts, and yes, even Pat Boone!..... I wanna go back.... somebody find me a flux capacitor! CC ----- Original Message ----- From: JNR From narkspud@hotmail.com Mon Jul 01 15:30:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Jul 2002 22:30:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 64530 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2002 22:30:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2002 22:30:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.16.130) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 22:30:55 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 15:30:55 -0700 Received: from 67.89.146.146 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 22:30:55 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} (OT, y'know) NPR Rant Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 15:30:55 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2002 22:30:55.0852 (UTC) FILETIME=[F736BAC0:01C2214E] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.89.146.146] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud >somebody find me a flux capacitor! Hang on. . .I think I left one by the Victrola. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Jul 01 15:34:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Jul 2002 22:34:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 72391 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2002 22:34:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2002 22:34:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 22:34:40 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.53]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:33:55 -0400 Message-ID: <007a01c2214f$896f4920$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} (OT, y'know) NPR Rant Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:35:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Smart ass.... :-) Hey, I like Smashmouth and Third Eye Blind, too! Like George Jones sings "I don't need no rockin' chair" cc ----- Original Message ----- From: . Narkspud > >somebody find me a flux capacitor! > > Hang on. . .I think I left one by the Victrola. From narkspud@hotmail.com Mon Jul 01 15:59:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Jul 2002 22:59:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 90443 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2002 22:59:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2002 22:59:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 22:59:52 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 15:59:52 -0700 Received: from 67.89.146.146 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 22:59:51 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Sirius / XM / IBOC Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 15:59:51 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2002 22:59:52.0283 (UTC) FILETIME=[023512B0:01C22153] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.89.146.146] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud >Same here -- I listened to an in-store demo of XM and even the '60s >Oldies channel did not have any real Stereo separation. The audio had >a little "space" to it, but even with my head stuck between the two >small speakers they had set up, I could not hear any real Stereo! Oh, I should've pointed this out. Most of the radios in Circuit City marked "Hear XM Here!" were actually being fed by an FM modulator in the store, and although it was putting out a stereo pilot, the sound was most definitely mono. It wasn't until I made them let me listen to one that was actually hooked up to the XM tuner that I heard the full stereo separation, and yes, it was the real thing, *especially* on the 60's channel. The guy said the XM people had set up the in-store demo system, so it may be they're making the same mistake in all their set-ups? (That would be hee-larious!) Just so you don't think I'm just a dumb internet schnook (you don't think that, do you??), here are my credentials for going on about this. I'm a former audio engineer and current phonograph record collector. I know my stereo from my mono from my simulated stereo. I used to find rare stereo versions for AM Stereo 63 WMFD in Wilmington, NC back in the day when they were Oldies format. I was not expecting to hear true stereo from XM, and was surprised when I did. You can trust me. (Weaselly grin) The system was an Alpine, the most expensive one they had, so maybe the cheaper ones don't work as well? Shrug. >Also, XM and Sirius both use the same digital audio encoding, which is >64 kbps with SBR. SBR is "Spatial Band Replication" which means all >of the audio above 8 kHz is FAKE. Should be noted--many an FM station does a similar thing. Ever hear of the Aphex Aural Exciter? (Purports to add "sizzle" to the station's audio. Can't do without sizzle, can we.) As noted in my previous missive, I noticed something weird about the high frequencies on XM, but I didn't think it sounded too terrible. In fact, if AM is limited to 10 khz frequency response, and we used SBR to increase that at the radio end. . .Oh don't mind me. Just thinking aloud. >It makes one wonder... if XM/Sirius's audio quality has to be >compromised so much at 64 kbps, how is AM IBOC going to sound with its >bit rate of only 36 kbps!? "FM-Quality Stereo Sound", my arse! Things that make you go "hmmm." I understand that IBOC is going around claiming they have this problem licked with their new proprietary codec, but they don't have any demos for us yet. Perhaps if they offered a bridge in Brooklyn to all the stations who convert. . . . narkspud _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From n0uiheric@aol.com Mon Jul 01 16:58:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Jul 2002 23:58:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 12868 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2002 23:58:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2002 23:58:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d10.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.42) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 23:58:08 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.8b.1a4f44f9 (18555) for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 19:58:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8b.1a4f44f9.2a52468b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 19:58:03 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Reregulation and not elimination To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Sorry, Juan...I will never give commercial radio a try again, except as a station owner. After dealing with anti-college radio and anti-homegrown talent attitudes on the part of PDs for a decade and a half, plus the emergence of the illegal monopolies, it's just not worth giving it another try. What's worse is the anti-AM Stereo attitudes. Here's the differences I see as irreconcilable between myself and the commercial broadcast industry: 1) I believe that employment in commercial radio should be for EVERYONE who has the heart, not just those who have the talent. Not all stations can afford to hire the very best. 2) I believe that homegrown talent can identify with the listener more than a talent imported from out of town. Homegrown talent generally have a better understanding of the market and the people who live there than out-of-town DJs. 3) I believe that the future of radio belongs to the dedicated broadcasters who are more interested in serving the community than the "suits" on Wall Street. The future of radio DOES NOT BELONG to the illegal corporate monopolies. 4) I believe that the radio workplace should better reflect the community's diversity. Too many broadcast jobs are being held by able-bodied, Caucasian males. 5) I also believe radio ownership should reflect community diversity. Again, too many commercial radio stations are owned by able-bodied Caucasian males, many of whom are atheist. 6) I believe that radio is not only a business, but also a public service. Commercial operators have abandoned our communities to serve the "suits" on Wall Street. 7) I believe that the content of commercial radio programming should be cleaned up; no more of this sex-driven shock radio or radio promoting hate toward ethnic or religious groups and even those with disabilities. 8) I believe that commercial radio should strictly follow the rules and regulations set forth, not only by the FCC, but also by the Department of Labor. In other words, commercial radio should NEVER discriminate against homegrown talent and those with disabilities, for example. 9) I believe that automation and voicetracking has taken away the soul of radio; it should be BANNED PERMANENTLY. 10) I believe that we should preserve EXISTING technology, such as AM Stereo; it's time that the radio industry give up on IBOC-DAB. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From n0uiheric@aol.com Mon Jul 01 16:58:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Jul 2002 23:58:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 78601 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2002 23:58:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2002 23:58:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r01.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.97) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 23:58:12 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.9d.2a2f2e7f (18555) for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 19:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9d.2a2f2e7f.2a52468f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 19:58:07 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Reregulation and not elimination To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih I don't think IBOC will ever come to pass...no system will ever be perfected that would be compatible with analog radio. It's time to give up on IBOC, and keep C-QUAM alive. AM STEREO FOREVER! 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From n0uiheric@aol.com Mon Jul 01 16:58:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Jul 2002 23:58:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 41352 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2002 23:58:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2002 23:58:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d10.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.42) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 23:58:13 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.125.12f66600 (18555) for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 19:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <125.12f66600.2a52468e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 19:58:06 EDT Subject: NPR, Business Vision and AM Stereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Sorry, Shel...Commercial radio is the one devoted to the liberal agenda. The only conservatives still allowed on the secular commercial stations are few and far in between. NPR caters to BOTH conservatives and liberals equally. NPR is also the only one committed to a diverse workplace; commercial radio is still run by able-bodied Caucasian males who discriminate against everyone except their friends, relatives and acquaintances. Commercial radio is guilty of discrimination against homegrown talent, workers with disabiliites (even in support positions), various ethnic minorities and ex-college radio talent. This is an injustice that public radio has made an honest effort to rectify. For example, take a look at St. Louis. KWMU 90.7 consistently beats all other talk radio stations except KMOX and KTRS. St. Louis has nine talk radio stations (counting the sports and Christian talk stations). Even Morning Edition beats Howard Stern in Market #21! All Things Considered beats all the other commercial afternoon shows, with the only exceptions of Total Information PM on KMOX and Frank O. Pinion on KTRS. For fifteen years, I have dealt with illegal discrimination in the commercial radio business. This is primarily because I have gotten my experience with non-commercial and "mom-and-pop" commercial stations; I'm also considered "homegrown" talent since I was born and raised in St. Louis. With the exception of four years in Atlanta (even helping out with selecting the Harris DX-10 transmitter for WFTD 1080 and encouraging them to raise enough money to go Stereo in the late 1980s and early 1990s), I have lived and worked primarily in St. Louis. I will not return to commercial radio again except as an owner. Speaking of ownership, I wound up getting a group of three ex-college DJs (myself included) and a local Ham together and make an attempt at acquiring KXEN 1010 in 1989-90. The plan was to move the station 40 miles north, from Festus, MO to Hazelwood, MO as a full-time operation in AM Stereo. We wanted to start out with an all-'80s format (ahead of it's time by at least seven years), with news on the hour (our first choice at the time was Westwood One's NBC Radio Network), blocks of Contemporary Christian music, rock music and comedy, as well as being the St. Louis affiliate for "World of Radio" with Glenn Hauser. Hiring policies would respect various civil rights and disability rights laws (at the time of this attempt, the Americans with Disabilities Act had just been signed into law by President George H.W. Bush), even to the point of hiring a heterogeneous work force, in contrast to the homogeneous work forces that generally staff the vast majority of commercial radio stations. The station would have been more small business-friendly, as we would have had the lowest ad rates in St. Louis, regardless of ratings. On-air personalities would be required to be active in the community, volunteering for their favorite charities and community organizations. Future plans would have included possibly add an FM sister station with a Dance CHR format. The station(s) would have been staffed with 100% homegrown talent (they are less expensive to pay than a big name; you could easily staff two radio stations for the price of one year of Howard Stern). Problem was, investors weren't really interested in potential owners with a real vision for the business. The whole deal fell through, but not before Burt Kaufman (KXEN's owner) took one of my suggestions to heart; broadcasting in AM Stereo. KXEN began nighttime operations in AM Stereo (500 watts) in 1998. Since that time, they have replaced their 1961-vintage RCA Ampliphase transmitter with a later vintage Harris MW-50 (which can be converted to AM Stereo). If an ownership opportunity came along on AM, one of the first things I'd do is work on converting the station to Stereo (if the previous owners hadn't done so). It is my honest opinion that too many engineers want the "easy way" in maintaining an AM station; it's not an option! If you want quality AM, IBOC is not the way to go; C-QUAM is the ONLY WAY TO GO. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Jul 01 17:30:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 2 Jul 2002 00:30:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 38449 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2002 00:30:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2002 00:30:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2002 00:30:18 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-112.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.112]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g620ReIh000778 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 19:27:41 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000b01c22160$39e6cfc0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020629190224.77815.qmail@web14907.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM exciters may be available Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 19:34:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I doubt the composite output is more than a half watt; the L-R output might be a watt or two since it only has to replace the crystal. And RCA inputs??? I have a hard time believing that. Probably BNC connectors. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shel Swartz" > Any of you guys have any idea what, say, a > broadcast-quality AM exciter is worth of (guessing) 5 > watts? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jul 01 18:15:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 2 Jul 2002 01:15:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 9732 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2002 01:15:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2002 01:15:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2002 01:15:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2002 01:15:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 01:15:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: (OT, y'know) NPR Rant Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007a01c2214f$896f4920$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1446 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.31 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Smart ass.... :-) > Hey, I like Smashmouth and Third Eye Blind, too! Like George Jones > sings "I don't need no rockin' chair" Do you get 92.1 WLNG-FM from Long Island where you are? Great station... to bad they are in glorious MONO. WLNG plays just about everything from the '50s to today... it's not unusual to hear them play the Four Seasons from 1962 and Evan & Jaron from 2002 back-to-back. I can sometimes DX them here in NJ, but it takes a good radio to filter out the splatter from 92.3 "K-Rock" (NYC). Another great station in the NYC area is 103.1 "Jukebox Radio" -- although many people say they are in violation of FCC rules, because a lot more people listen to their "translator" than to the signal of their main transmitter (WJUX), some 50 miles away. There is even a photo of the station's owner proudly showing off the Sony car radio he uses at the translator site to pick up and rebroadcast their signal from the "main" transmitter... just like a free in-band STL! And here's something good for laugh: I heard about a station that was changing formats, and decided to 'stunt' as an automated "Best Of Everything" format for a few weeks inbetween, with basically everything they could find thrown into a CD changer and set to 'shuffle play'. However, after all was said and done, the "Best Of Everything" stunt format actually got better ratings than either of the 'real' formats before and after it! From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Jul 01 18:20:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 2 Jul 2002 01:20:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 46486 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2002 01:20:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2002 01:20:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2002 01:19:59 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-112.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.112]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g621HLIh009684 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 20:17:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00a001c22167$2b209960$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020701070714.73329.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: stereo bandscan Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 20:24:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude What make and model of xmtr? I'd take it if I could scrape the time and money to come get it. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "JNR" They think they don't have to because > they've been told the XMTR. is so old if they did > shut it off they couldn't get it back up. From jwelton@nautel.com Mon Jul 01 18:24:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 2 Jul 2002 01:24:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 60981 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2002 01:24:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2002 01:24:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO relay3.softcomca.com) (168.144.1.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2002 01:24:20 -0000 Received: from m2w047 ([168.144.108.47]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Mon, 1 Jul 2002 21:24:19 -0400 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: {AMSF} Nautel no longer supplying stereo - initial response Sender: "jwelton@nautel.com" Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 21:24:19 -0400 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Return-Path: jwelton@nautel.com Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2002 01:24:19.0378 (UTC) FILETIME=[3032D120:01C22167] From: "jwelton@nautel.com" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Originating-IP: 24.222.136.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 Normally, I'd wait until I'm back in the office (long weekend in Canada) to= respond to this thread, but it's volatile enough that I just gave you guys= a day or so to take a deep breath before I responded. As I said, I'm at h= ome, so I don't have access to all the info - I'll provide more details tom= orrow. Matt Voltare writes: >Note that AM Stereo is no longer available due to the incompatibility with= >future digital radio formats."=20 >these guys won't supply stereo, do they have no idea that digital AM is no= t=20 >going to be on band in australia, i dunno. mail them and whinge, While the wording sounds like ours, we would not normally provide quotation= s to Oz - those would come from our agent in (I believe) Melbourne. From h= ome, I can not unequivocally state that this is false, although we still ha= ve AMS equipped transmitters in test to be shipped this week. The possibil= ity does exist that, for reasons unknown to me, Sales has decided to stop q= uoting new exciters. I'll cover some possible reasons below, and remember,= as I will repeatedly say, this is preliminary until I can get more info to= morrow morning. And yes, we know that Australia is testing the Eureka syst= em ..but they're also looking into DRM - which can be In Band On Channel, j= ust not the Ibiquity verstion. According to http://journalism.uts.edu.au/a= rchive/digital/given.html as of Nov. last year, no decision has been made. = By the same token, although all the publicity is on Ibiquity, due to the r= ecent IBOC comment deadline, Eureka tests are still being conducted in the = U.S. Nothing is final anywhere at this time, to the best of my knowlege. Chuck adds: >The writing is on the Wall, but Nautell can't read it yet, they discontinu= e >AM Stereo whether it be for lack of interest or the fact that dozens of = >countries around the world are struggling to keep AM on the Air period, bu= t >that may be the point. Um, I'm not sure what you're saying here Chuck. If by lack of interest you= mean that nobody is ordering AMS exciters, then where would be the busines= s sense in us continuing to stock them - if you have a known money loser in= a business, you drop it. On the other hand, we do still see a few AMS rel= ated orders every month, but I wouldn't even want to guess at the percentag= e of total volume it makes up. Several countries are struggling to keep AM= on the air - or find a more economically viable replacement. It's in our = (Nautel's) best interest to keep AM viable, whether in analog mode or IBOC,= as we make AM transmitters, not Eureka-147 transmitters. and Chris Cuff continues: >If what i read about Nautel stopping the supply of exciters is true, it is= >a grave injustice. It makes me think (and this is ONLY MY OPINION) that >= IBOC people are paying transmittetr manufacturers to give up cquam.=20 Not directly, but you do need to consider that we have had to make a huge i= nvestment on IBOC, based on the possibility it COULD happen, to keep from f= alling behind the eight ball if it does (we had to do the same thing when A= MS was launched - and that time we were right). If the only way to recoup = any part of that investment is to help Ibiquity get the ball rolling, I sus= pect that's where the company will go - but again, I don't know our policy = at this time. As far as stopping the supply, remember that our AMS exciter= s are ONLY developed for installation in certain of our transmitters which = are compatible - and we can always build the boards to order. Regarding ne= w transmitter orders, again, I can't say - I'll provide more info, good or = bad, tomorrow. At which point Kevin Tekel replies: >Unless Jeff Welton is lying to us, Nautel has NOT stopped making >transmit= ters equipped with AM Stereo. Kevin, while I understand what you are trying to say, I'd ask that you refr= ain from wording things quite that way (and no, it's not a threat, I'm Cana= dian, we're non-litigious!!!). It's just that I make my living based, to a= large extent, on my reputation, and I haven't gotten a reputation for prov= iding the service I do by misrepresenting myself or my company in any way. = If I answer a question with a statement, the statement will be fact. If I= don't know for certain (as in some of my preceding comments), I'll add a d= isclaimer. I WILL NOT, under any circumstances, KNOWINGLY LIE (although, b= eing human, I may try to avoid the subject). That aside, as previously sta= ted, we are, at this exact moment, still making AMS equipped transmitters. = Whether or not we are quoting AMS for future delivery, I don't know - but = I will in about ten hours. And so will you, in about eleven (better give m= e twelve, Sales guys can be hard to get hold of, the first morning after a = long weekend!). And Matthew Trim states: >What!!!!! This is outrageous!!=20 >Hopefully Jeff can clarify - Was this the Australian reseller you contacte= d=20 >for the quote? Maybe they are recommending against AMS in Australia Thanks for the caveat, Matthew. Once again, I'll know more tomorrow, and w= ill post then. I suspect the email was from our agent, but most likely bas= ed on some information from us - I can't be certain at this time. Ducking, covering and heading for the foxhole, Jeff Welton Customer Service Dept. Nautel Ltd. 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From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jul 01 18:29:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 2 Jul 2002 01:29:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 72657 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2002 01:29:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2002 01:29:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2002 01:29:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2002 01:29:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 01:29:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Sirius / XM / IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1390 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.31 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I'm a former audio engineer and current phonograph record collector. > I know my stereo from my mono from my simulated stereo. BTW, one of my pet peeves is that of Oldies stations (both AM Stereo and FM Stereo) that play "re-channeled" versions of early Stereo songs that get rid of the wild stereo effects like having the band in one channel and the singers in the other. I've heard this on a few Beatles tunes -- even the supposedly "best Oldies station in the USA", 101.1 WCBS-FM in NYC, often plays MONO or "reduced Stereo" versions of these songs.(*) And of course they never go out of their way to find the rare TRUE stereo versions of songs like "Good Vibrations" or "A Whiter Shade of Pale". At least I have heard that the syndicated "Good Time Oldies" service, as heard on 850 WREF, 1130 WWBF, 1160 WYNS, and many other great AM Stereo oldies stations, has all of their music in correct Stereo versions if possible. (*) ...perhaps under pressure from the Beatles' record company, who supposedly never authorized the Stereo versions of their early songs that U.S. record companies put together. These songs were mastered on 4-track tape but the Beatles' engineer did not intend for the channels to be split up to form a "Stereo" version of the music. Thus, "official" CD re-releases of these songs are all either in plain MONO or in "re-channeled" Stereo. From jwelton@nautel.com Mon Jul 01 18:34:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 2 Jul 2002 01:34:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 77957 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2002 01:34:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2002 01:34:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO relay2.softcomca.com) (168.144.1.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2002 01:34:11 -0000 Received: from m2w089.softcomca.com ([168.144.108.89]) by relay2.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Mon, 1 Jul 2002 21:34:10 -0400 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: {AMSF} Re: stereo bandscan Sender: "jwelton@nautel.com" Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 21:34:10 -0400 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Return-Path: jwelton@nautel.com Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2002 01:34:10.0821 (UTC) FILETIME=[90B9DB50:01C22168] From: "jwelton@nautel.com" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Originating-IP: 24.222.136.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 Scott asked: >What make and model of xmtr? I'd take it if I could scrape the time and >money to come get it. in response to: >>They think they don't have to because >>they've been told the XMTR. is so old if they did >>shut it off they couldn't get it back up. This is one of those threads I'm going to regret jumping into! WALE has a Nautel AMPFET 50 transmitter that is a whopping (hold your hat) = 15 years old - plus or minus a couple of years maximum. I speak to their c= ontract engineer quite regularly - he's top of the heap for the area (Scott= , you know of him) and last time we spoke (on a different matter) it came u= p that this transmitter has been relatively problem free. Keeping in mind = that this was almost a year ago and things may have changed, I have a lot o= f trouble believing that there could be this significant a problem with thi= s transmitter - the engineer would have called me long before it got to tha= t point.... unless he's no longer contracting for the station, in which cas= e all bets are off, depending on who's doing the engineering now. Regards, Jeff Welton Customer Service Dept. Nautel Ltd. Tel: +1-902-823-3900, ext. 127 Fax: +1-902-823-3183 jwelton@nautel.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Jul 01 18:56:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 2 Jul 2002 01:56:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 3266 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2002 01:56:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2002 01:56:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2002 01:56:32 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-112.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.112]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g621rrIh015645 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 20:53:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00f301c2216c$45e64a60$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: Re: {AMSF} Re: stereo bandscan Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 21:00:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Not knowing anything about the station, I was hoping it would be a classic such as a Western Electric, RCA or Gates (and of course, much smaller than 50k!) :) Thanks for the info, Jeff. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 8:34 PM Subject: RE: Re: {AMSF} Re: stereo bandscan > Scott asked: > >What make and model of xmtr? I'd take it if I could scrape the time and > >money to come get it. > > in response to: > >>They think they don't have to because > >>they've been told the XMTR. is so old if they did > >>shut it off they couldn't get it back up. > > This is one of those threads I'm going to regret jumping into! > > WALE has a Nautel AMPFET 50 transmitter that is a whopping (hold your hat) 15 years old - plus or minus a couple of years maximum. I speak to their contract engineer quite regularly - he's top of the heap for the area (Scott, you know of him) and last time we spoke (on a different matter) it came up that this transmitter has been relatively problem free. Keeping in mind that this was almost a year ago and things may have changed, I have a lot of trouble believing that there could be this significant a problem with this transmitter - the engineer would have called me long before it got to that point.... unless he's no longer contracting for the station, in which case all bets are off, depending on who's doing the engineering now. > > Regards, > > Jeff Welton > Customer Service Dept. > Nautel Ltd. > Tel: +1-902-823-3900, ext. 127 > Fax: +1-902-823-3183 > jwelton@nautel.com > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Jul 01 19:03:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 2 Jul 2002 02:03:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 58281 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2002 02:03:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2002 02:03:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2002 02:03:23 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-112.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.112]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g6220jIh016765 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 21:00:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00f901c2216d$3b67b780$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Nautel no longer supplying stereo - initial response Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 21:07:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude This is a good reminder to all of us that while we must remain passionate, we must also retain a certain level of tact lest we lose some of the valuable people who frequent this list. I know I've made comments like that in the past which sound worse than they were intended (and while I don't know Kevin well enough to know for SURE this was the case, I'd still be willing to bet it was.) Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: > At which point Kevin Tekel replies: > >Unless Jeff Welton is lying to us, Nautel has NOT stopped making >transmitters equipped with AM Stereo. > > Kevin, while I understand what you are trying to say, I'd ask that you refrain from wording things quite that way (and no, it's not a threat, I'm Canadian, we're non-litigious!!!). It's just that I make my living based, to a large extent, on my reputation, and I haven't gotten a reputation for providing the service I do by misrepresenting myself or my company in any way. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jul 01 19:19:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 2 Jul 2002 02:19:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 69410 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2002 02:19:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2002 02:19:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2002 02:19:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2002 02:19:13 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 02:19:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Nautel no longer supplying stereo - initial response Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00f901c2216d$3b67b780$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 599 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.146 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I know I've made comments like that in the past which sound worse > than they were intended (and while I don't know Kevin well enough to > know for SURE this was the case, I'd still be willing to bet it > was.) In retrospect, I should have phrased my comment better. What I was trying to is that a representative of Nautel (Jeff Welton) participates here regularly and I am sure he would have informed us if he had any confirmed news about Nautel discontinuing production of AM Stereo equipment. Kevin Tekel (Happy to be typing this as the first message from my new MACINTOSH computer!) From narkspud@hotmail.com Mon Jul 01 20:03:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 2 Jul 2002 03:03:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 76556 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2002 03:03:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2002 03:03:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.160) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2002 03:03:19 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 20:03:19 -0700 Received: from 67.219.64.165 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 02 Jul 2002 03:03:19 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: (Borderline OT) Ponderous Tome about Stereo Oldies Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 20:03:19 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2002 03:03:19.0738 (UTC) FILETIME=[04EDD1A0:01C22175] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.219.64.165] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud >and FM Stereo) that play "re-channeled" versions of early Stereo songs >that get rid of the wild stereo effects like having the band in one >channel and the singers in the other. Oh man have you landed on one of my subjects now!! Sorry about this. . .Prepare for a dissertation. The "wild effects" you are describing were seldom intentional. I've talked to a couple of engineers who worked on "classic" oldies. The following is based on those conversations and my own collecting experiences and research. Until the early 70's, the mono and stereo versions were nearly always different mixes, often mixed by different engineers on different equipment in different studios, who may not have been aware of what the other version sounded like. The mono was usually done first and considered the "most important," since that was the one going on the 45s and the AM Top 40 stations. As a result, it's not unusual for the mono mix to be sonically superior to the stereo one, or at least vastly different. Examples? The mono Yakety Yak sounds marvelous. The stereo sounds like they're playing through a mattress. Both mixes of the Supremes' You Can't Hurry Love sound great, but if you heard them back-to-back you'd swear they were different recordings. (For instance, there's a prominent harmonica in the mono version that's buried deep under Diana Ross's reverb in the stereo.) Many rock and roll records of the early 60's--not just the Beatles--were recorded on 3 or 4 tracks specifically for mono mixdown, without allowing for a satisfactory stereo mix. If you hear voices on one channel, instruments on the other, it's safe to assume that was NOT what the engineers had in mind, since that isn't really true stereo. Those stereo mixes were after-the-fact recreations in response to record company demands for a stereo LP (which sold for $1 more than the mono without costing the record company any more to manufacture). Observe exhibit 3: Phil Spector HATED stereo, since his wall-of-sound recording method just didn't work with it. The "wall" always ended up off to one side, with the vocals (center) and string overdubs (other side) floating in reverb in what sounded like different counties. Listen to the stereo You've Lost That Loving Feeling and you'll hear what I mean. Phil was never the least bit happy with any of the stereo mixes of his productions, but he no longer controls the Righteous Brothers catalog, so there's nothing he can do about it. Many of the "rare true stereo" versions appearing on CD now are recent reconstructions, using existing, often incomplete studio masters, with missing overdubs lifted from the common mono versions through digital filtering. I hate these far more than colorized movies, since they invariably sound like crap (albeit stereo crap) thanks to the EQ compromises and horrid phase flanging when trying to import and sync up the overdubs. When all tracks are available and the mastering engineers do a really good job (Dion's Laurie catalog for example) the results can be spectacular. When they aren't, and they use technology-besotted inexperienced amateurs who aren't that familiar with the material but feel they must re-EQ and enhance every last thing (Tarragon's Shangri Las/Dixie Cups/Jelly Beans remixes, which are popping up everywhere now) it can be disasterous. FAKE stereo, where they take the mono master and run it through some sort of electronic mangler to fool gullible people into, well, shelling out the extra buck for the LP, is horrid and should be punishable by life in prison listening to n*Sync. They're STILL DOING IT on some CD's, for no apparent reason other than Stupid disease. Bastards. All of the above are generalizations (except the fake stereo thing), and I urge everyone to listen to whichever version they get the most pleasure from. I may get on my high horse and spout opinions, but my high horse does not tell people what to enjoy listening to. But the moral of all this is that I generally don't grouse about the stereo content of individual songs on the radio unless it becomes patently obvious that they just ain't trying (like K-Earth's scratchy 45 of Lover's Concerto). Stereo oldies are just too hard to keep track of. Oh, and as an example of where rumors can get you (and forgive me, Kevin, for using your example as my example), there was no stereo version of Good Vibrations, rare or otherwise. Brian Wilson did the vast majority of his 60's mixes in mono only. He's deaf in one ear. The track first appeared in LP form on "Smiley Smile," which was 100 percent mono, regardless of what Capitol printed on the cover. There was a "Duophonic" version on later albums--see the paragraph on fake stereo. Now what Capitol may have done since then, I dunno. In fact, I shudder to think. That track was spliced together from several sessions in several studios. It would be awful (not to mention unwise) to try to remix it. Wasn't real thrilled with what they did to Pet Sounds either. . . Can't speak for Whiter Shade of Pale, except that I've never heard a true stereo of it. And the fake stereo is horrid, no doubt about it. OK. Enough of that. narkspud (Welcome to Macintosh, Kevin. Woohoo!) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jul 01 20:56:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 2 Jul 2002 03:56:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 26341 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2002 03:56:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2002 03:56:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14201.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.143) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2002 03:56:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20020702035647.39922.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.190] by web14201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 20:56:47 PDT Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 20:56:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: What's up with the AM transmitter manufacturers? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I checked last winter, and you could get either an AMS exciter, or a transmitter with C-Quam AMS built-in from 3 manufacturers. Now we're hearing how these aren't available to 'make way for digital radio'. Are all of these manufacturers throwing their AMS exciters in the sh*tcan so that they can force IBOC down our throats? Are they that overconfident that we can't sway the FCC away from the IBOC train wreck, or has big money already lined the pockets of the FCC decision makers? Time to scour the dumpsters behind the transmitter manufacturers! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jul 01 20:58:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 2 Jul 2002 03:58:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 53168 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2002 03:58:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2002 03:58:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14203.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.145) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2002 03:58:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20020702035826.54476.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.190] by web14203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 20:58:26 PDT Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 20:58:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Problems with Yahoo? OT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Anybody else having problems with Yahoo time delayed messages? I just received last Thursday's Digest version 3 days late! I want my AMS news fresh! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From jsgil@hal-pc.org Mon Jul 01 22:06:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 2 Jul 2002 05:06:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 45935 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2002 05:06:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2002 05:06:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2002 05:06:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2002 05:06:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 05:06:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What's up with the AM transmitter manufacturers? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020702035647.39922.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 361 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.49 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., Johnny Electron wrote: > Are they that overconfident that we can't sway the FCC > away from the IBOC train wreck, or has big money already lined the pockets of > the FCC decision makers? > Didn't you know that we have the best FCC money can buy? Bought and paid for by members of the NAB. From n0uiheric@aol.com Mon Jul 01 23:03:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 2 Jul 2002 06:03:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 87984 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2002 06:03:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2002 06:03:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r07.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.103) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2002 06:03:06 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.42.29895ea8 (4004) for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 02:03:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42.29895ea8.2a529c15@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 02:03:01 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Sirius / XM / IBOC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih St. Louis no longer has an Oldies station, no thanks to the folks at Cheap Channel. KLOU 103.3 has flipped to Classic Hits. Which station would take the Oldies mantle in Market #21? I don't think AM Stereo stations KJSL 630 or KSTL 690 would; they're doing very well with Christian formats. Crawford does own a few Oldies and Adult Standards stations; but the AS market is dominated by mono WRTH 1430 (we should beg OM Ron Elz to get his CE to take 1430 WRTH Stereo). 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From n0uiheric@aol.com Mon Jul 01 23:33:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 2 Jul 2002 06:33:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 12149 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2002 06:33:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2002 06:33:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m07.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.162) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2002 06:33:47 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 1.159.1045222a (4004); Tue, 2 Jul 2002 02:31:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <159.1045222a.2a52a2d9@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 02:31:53 EDT Subject: The American Listening Public is AGAINST Further Consolidation To: SOUNDOFF@topica.com Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, N0UIH-DXTalk@topica.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE June 19, 2002 SURVEY FINDS STRONG PUBLIC SUPPORT FOR POLICIES TO COUNTERACT EFFECTS OF RADIO CONSOLIDATION WASHINGTON, DC =E2=80=93 The Future of Music Coalition today released a por= tion of=20 the results of a public opinion survey that it commissioned regarding=20 citizens=E2=80=99 satisfaction with commercial radio. The survey found stro= ng public=20 support for policies to counteract the effects of radio consolidation. The survey is part of a larger research study looking at the effects of rad= io=20 consolidation on musicians and the public. The study is being conducted in= =20 partnership with Media Access Project and the Rockefeller Foundation.=20 The telephone survey, conducted May 13-20, 2002, asked respondents a wide=20 variety of questions about radio; from basic listening habits, to opinions= =20 about programming and available content, to opinions about the role of=20 Congress in addressing issues such as radio station ownership consolidation= =20 and =E2=80=9Cpay-for-play=E2=80=9D issues.=20 Specifically, the survey indicates the following: Consolidation of radio station ownership is not popular. Eight of ten favor= =20 congressional action to protect or expand the number of independently owned= =20 local stations By a better than ten to one ratio =E2=80=93 76 percent to 7 percent =E2=80= =93 radio=20 listeners believe that DJs should be given more air time for songs they thi= nk=20 will be of interest to their audiences rather than be required to mostly pl= ay=20 songs of artists backed by recording companies If it can be substantiated that radio stations are paid to give air time=20 preference to the music artists supported by record companies, the public=20 approves by a 68 to 24 percent ratio for Congress to consider passing laws = to=20 ensure that all artists have a more reasonable chance of having their songs= =20 heard Half of the respondents =E2=80=93 52 percent =E2=80=93 say radio would be m= ore appealing to=20 them if it offered more new music, less repetition and more music of local= =20 bands and artists By a ratio of six to one, radio listeners prefer a long, rather than a shor= t,=20 playlist that provides them a greater variety of songs and less repetition= =20 during the week Seventy-five percent would like to see low power FM stations (LPFM) expande= d=20 in their communities, especially if they offer (a) the music of local bands= =20 and artists, (b) talk shows on issues of local interest, and on local issue= s=20 and (c) health, science or fitness programming. Additionally, 74 percent=20 favor legislation to expand the number of LPFM stations in the United State= s.=20 The public opinion research firm Behavior Research Center conducted the=20 survey from May 13-20, 2002 via 500 in-depth telephone interviews on a rand= om=20 sample of adults throughout the United States. Commenting on the study results, Earl de Berge, Research Director of the=20 Behavior Research Center and Editor of the Rocky Mountain Poll, said: =E2= =80=9C Since=20 its inception, radio has been a vanguard technology that Americans have=20 relied on to deliver information and music. Today, half of listeners say=20 radio no longer delivers well on the music side of the equation and another= =20 fifth of the public (17 percent) does not listen to radio at all. This seem= s=20 to reflect their desire for a menu of music that is both more varied and mo= re=20 reflective of cultural change as measured by themselves, and not by folks i= n=20 media boardrooms.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CWe see these results as an affirmation that citizens are not just = passive=20 listeners; they care about the quality and diversity of music available on= =20 the airwaves,=E2=80=9D said FMC=E2=80=99s Executive Director, Jenny Toomey.= =E2=80=9CMore=20 importantly, they=E2=80=99re clearly unsatisfied with programming trends th= at have=20 come into effect as a result of bandwidth consolidation in the recent years= .=E2=80=9D Radio is a public resource that has been managed on the public=E2=80=99s be= half by=20 the Federal Communications Commission since 1934. In a country as large and= =20 culturally diverse as America, radio remains an important localized medium= =20 for the transmission of news and entertainment. Radio is also important to the music industry. In the traditional music=20 business model, radio is seen as the best =E2=80=93 and possibly only =E2= =80=93 way to=20 =E2=80=9Cbreak=E2=80=9D a record. Except in some rare cases, breaking a rec= ord on commercial=20 radio is prerequisite to the sale of the hundreds of thousands of copies th= at=20 are needed for labels to recoup costs.=20 Despite its importance to broadcasters, advertisers, musicians, labels and= =20 the listening public, there is mounting evidence to support the theory that= =20 the traditional commercial radio model is broken. The consolidation of radi= o=20 station ownership that has occurred since the 1996 Telecommunications Act h= as=20 had a dramatic effect on the state of radio. The FMC, funded by a grant fro= m=20 the Rockefeller Foundation, is currently conducting extensive research on h= ow=20 these regulatory and economic changes have affected two constituencies that= =20 are often left out of the debate =E2=80=93 musicians and the general public= . The=20 other portions of the study will analyze the effects of consolidation on th= e=20 radio industry, playlist content, and musicians=E2=80=99 access to commerci= al radio.=20 The FMC expects to release its complete report in September 2002. The Future of Music Coalition is a Washington, DC-based not-for-profit=20 collaboration between members of the music, technology, public policy and=20 intellectual property law communities. The FMC seeks to educate the media,= =20 policymakers, and the public about music / technology issues, while also=20 bringing together diverse voices in an effort to come up with creative=20 solutions to some of the challenges in this space. The FMC also aims to=20 identify and promote innovative business models that will help musicians an= d=20 citizens to benefit from new technologies. ### Contacts: Michael Bracy: 202.429.8855 Earl de Berge: 602.258.4554 ---------------------------------- Courtesy of the Future of Music Coalition. http://www.futureofmusic.org/ 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jul 01 23:35:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 2 Jul 2002 06:35:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 17144 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2002 06:35:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2002 06:35:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2002 06:35:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2002 06:35:41 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 06:35:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: (Borderline OT) Ponderous Tome about Stereo Oldies Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2314 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I generally don't grouse about the stereo content of individual > songs on the radio unless it becomes patently obvious that they just > ain't trying Just this evening I have been listening to "Oldies 100" WJRZ-FM from the southern NJ shore via FM DX, and despite the Stereo light glowing brightly, all of their audio is in Mono -- even liners, jingles, and commercials. Pah! There is a time and place for mono FM stations, but if you are going to do that, at least turn off the pilot and gain some extra coverage while you're at it. (Unlike *AM* Stereo, of course, where having the Stereo pilot on can only benefit your signal by triggering many Delco car radios into wide-bandwidth mode for better sound.) > Oh, and as an example of where rumors can get you (and forgive me, > Kevin, for using your example as my example), there was no stereo > version of Good Vibrations, rare or otherwise. Okay, I knew this would come in handy some day... here is a clip from the first 45 seconds or so of the true STEREO version of "Good Vibrations".... I don't know when and by whom this mix was made, but it appears to be faithful to the original recording while providing true Stereo separation between the left and right channels: http://rvcc2.raritanval.edu/ktek9053/good_vib.mp3 The complete version of this song was available on www.AudioGalaxy.com, until they got shut down a few weeks ago, for the same reason why Napster was shut down. Not that I condone copyright violations, but sometimes the internet is the ONLY place to reasonably obtain a particular recording, especially those that record companies think that no Americans would like, and thus are not officially offered here. Hmph.... > Can't speak for Whiter Shade of Pale, except that I've never heard a > true stereo of it. And the fake stereo is horrid, no doubt about > it. One thing that I *did* get from AudioGalaxy is the full Stereo version of W.S.O.P., which makes for interesting listening after hearing the fake-stereo version so often on the radio. p.s. I am searching for the U.S. Top 40 song with the longest intentional instance of single-channel audio. So far I have come up with Al Stewart's "Year Of The Cat" (a 1976 Top 10 hit), with a 35-second piano introduction entirely in the left channel. From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Jul 02 00:40:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 2 Jul 2002 07:40:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 51620 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2002 07:40:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2002 07:40:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2002 07:40:20 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.33]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 03:39:36 -0400 Message-ID: <002e01c2219b$c36dddc0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: (OT, y'know) NPR Rant Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 03:40:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I "used" to love jukebox radio on WJUX, until over 50% of the programming is now brokered yak. Only good in the early am now. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics To: From jwelton@nautel.com Tue Jul 02 03:03:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 2 Jul 2002 10:03:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 50750 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2002 10:03:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2002 10:03:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO relay2.softcomca.com) (168.144.1.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2002 10:03:43 -0000 Received: from m2w054 ([168.144.108.54]) by relay2.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Tue, 2 Jul 2002 06:03:42 -0400 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Nautel no longer supplying stereo - initial response Sender: "jwelton@nautel.com" Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 06:03:42 -0400 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Return-Path: jwelton@nautel.com Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2002 10:03:42.0602 (UTC) FILETIME=[BEED6EA0:01C221AF] From: "jwelton@nautel.com" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Originating-IP: 24.222.136.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 >In retrospect, I should have phrased my comment better. What I was=20 >trying to is that a representative of Nautel (Jeff Welton)=20 >participates here regularly and I am sure he would have informed us if=20 >he had any confirmed news about Nautel discontinuing production of AM=20 >Stereo equipment. Thanks for the clarification, Kevin - I assumed that was your intention, bu= t I can get touchy on some topics - and the overall tone of the threads had= me on the defensive already! (guys/gals, if you see/hear/read something t= hat upsets you, please get confirmation from the horse's mouth before getti= ng so worked up - if I come back in a couple of hours and confirm that the = rumor is correct, then you can dump on me!). On the other hand, Kevin, you= 've just ruined all my Canadian preconceptions on people from New Jersey (j= ust kidding, I have some pretty good friends down thataway). And I'm honou= red to be the first message on the new machine! I'll post more info on the company's AMS position in a couple of hours, I j= ust wanted to be sure that I didn't forget to grant Kevin's clarification t= he response it deserved. Thanks again. Best, Jeff Welton Customer Service Dept. Nautel Ltd. Tel: +1-902-823-3900, ext. 127 Fax: +1-902-823-3183 jwelton@nautel.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From jwelton@nautel.com Tue Jul 02 06:06:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 2 Jul 2002 13:06:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 48475 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2002 13:06:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2002 13:06:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserver.nautel.com) (24.222.4.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2002 13:06:54 -0000 Received: FROM jeff-welton BY mailserver.nautel.com ; Tue Jul 02 10:07:46 2002 -0300 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 10:06:14 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: {AMSF} Nautel no longer supplying stereo - offical response Message-ID: <3D217B0F.21022.56FCF5@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body From: "Jeff Welton" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 > >Note that AM Stereo is no longer available due to the incompatibility > >with future digital radio formats." > > >these guys won't supply stereo, do they have no idea that digital AM is > >not going to be on band in australia, i dunno. mail them and whinge, Okay - this is where I hide my head and cover my backside. What Matt got is the canned response. We are currently bidding AMS on a case by case basis - but you'll need to make the request in person, either with a specific email to the sales dept. or by phone, not through the online submission form. In some cases, you will get the above message regardless, for reasons I will cover below - this may be what Matt got. For what it's worth, since Sales implemented this policy (two or three months ago) they've had exactly two requests for quote on AMS equipped transmitters. Here's the word from our Manager of Sales and Marketing (paraphrased, not direct quotation): Since the world is apparently going digital, either with Ibiquity or DRM being considered as in band options, we have to make our transmitters compatible with IBOC DAB. Due to the higher bandwidth requirements for either in band system, we've had to make the PDM frequency higher and open up the low pass filters in the modulator section. As a result of this, there are several frequencies where we can't meet existing specifications with AM stereo exciters installed in the transmitter, therefore, depending on frequency, we may not be able to quote AM stereo as an option. Since we've had several hundred requests for IBOC compatible transmitters over the past six months and only a handful (less than ten) for AMS equipped systems, we will continue to provide AMS where possible, but it's not economically viable to expend the engineering resources to make the AMS exciter compatible with the full range of IBOC capable transmitters. If necessary, we would consider providing a non-DAB compatible transmitter with AMS installed, but this would have to be a specific request, due to the potential conflicts that could arise. So, in a nutshell, we will continue to provide AMS exciters on request, where possible, but we've been forced to consider the economic ramifications of ignoring IBOC and shift our focus on what appears to be the future. If we're wrong, it costs us very little to go back to the older designs - but if we don't plan for it and it happens, we send a whole lot of people home, as AM transmitters make up a significant percentage of our Sales volume. For the same reason, if it came down to a choice between IBOC and Eureka, we'd be lobbying hard for the in band system. As well, since the AMS exciter has already been developed any of our existing customers, with an ND series transmitter shipped since 1992 or any of our XL series transmitters, can upgrade with a board replacement. There are no plans to stop making the AMS exciter boards for support and upgrade purposes. So, there you have it. While it's not the news I was hoping to be able to provide, I can certainly understand the company's position. We're like a big family here and the company will always come down in the position that maximizes job security, as Nautel is the single largest employer in this community. Donning the Nomex long johns, Jeff Welton Nautel Customer Service Dept. Tel.: 1-902-823-3900 ext. 127 Fax: 1-902-823-3183 email: jwelton@nautel.com From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Tue Jul 02 06:16:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 2 Jul 2002 13:16:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 15411 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2002 13:16:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2002 13:16:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.32.181.128) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2002 13:16:14 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 06:16:14 -0700 Received: from 208.228.96.20 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 02 Jul 2002 13:16:14 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Nautel no longer supplying stereo - offical response Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 09:16:14 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2002 13:16:14.0898 (UTC) FILETIME=[A4A1E920:01C221CA] From: "Chris Cuff" X-Originating-IP: [208.228.96.20] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059 Very well put. I cannot fault anything Jeff has said. It is kinda like when I bought my 4WD pickup in Jan '97, after going thru a winter where I lost 16 days due to snow the year before... I used the 4wd exactly twice in the next 4 years. CC >From: "Jeff Welton" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From amfmdx@fastq.com Tue Jul 02 06:59:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 2 Jul 2002 13:59:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 94784 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2002 13:59:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2002 13:59:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2002 13:59:02 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d47-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.79]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g62Dx1n50634 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 06:59:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <017101c221d0$9a601ee0$24f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <3D217B0F.21022.56FCF5@localhost> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Nautel no longer supplying stereo - offical response Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 06:58:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Donning the Nomex long johns, Why don the nomex? It makes sense. Perhaps some on the list will finally understand that IBOC is here. When I suggested learning everything that was possible about digital radio on the old list, I got a lot of stuff for saying it. My only contention was to leave the stereo on until IBOC comes. I love AM stereo, but as the old adage says, "I don't need a weatherman to see which way the wind blows." Kevin From shelswartz@yahoo.com Tue Jul 02 07:34:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: shelswartz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 2 Jul 2002 14:34:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 6947 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2002 14:34:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2002 14:34:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14906.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.225.58) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2002 14:34:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20020702143447.725.qmail@web14906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.86.165.154] by web14906.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Jul 2002 07:34:47 PDT Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 07:34:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: UX-1 Example To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <9f.29765d00.2a4f8ed0@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Shel Swartz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91652391 X-Yahoo-Profile: shelswartz Thanks, Bob! :) > Operate 10 watts using a carrier current system {it > is where you feed your > signal through the power lines through a special > coupling "device"} In the > United States,it is legal to do that and still cover > decent area.Something to > look into. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jul 02 08:21:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 2 Jul 2002 15:21:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 108 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2002 15:21:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2002 15:21:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2002 15:21:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2002 15:21:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 15:21:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Nautel no longer supplying stereo - offical response Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2082 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Very well put. I cannot fault anything Jeff has said. It is kinda > like when I bought my 4WD pickup in Jan '97, after going thru a > winter where I lost 16 days due to snow the year before... > I used the 4wd exactly twice in the next 4 years. In the computer world, this is known as "vaporware" -- when a product or new feature is long-awaited and design changes are made in anticipation of accomodating it, but it never arrives, or arrives so late and in such a different fashion that nobody cares about it anymore. If you're using a PC, look down at your keyboard, and find the "SysRq" key. This is vaporware! The "System Request" key was added to PC keyboards in 1984 in anticipation of being used by new multitasking operating systems that were supposed to arrive. Well, the first multitasking operating system, IBM's OS/2, didn't arrive until 1987, and at that point nobody cared about it. Then Windows started to arrive around 1990, and it has never made use of the "SysRq" key, which has thus become "vaporware"! In regards to Nautel's transmitters, what they can do is inform their customers of all the available options. Just like a good car salesman would do -- because the newest and most expensive choice is not always the best choice! And with IBOC, DRM, or anything else, there is a very great risk right now. Will it be worth it in the long run? Maybe, but that possibility is decreasing with every tick of the clock. The IBOC folks are already saying that arrival of IBOC recivers will be delayed *another* year because they have run into the stumbling blocks of adjacent-channel interference and nighttime operation. Meanwhile, analog AM Stereo is here, it is cost effective, it is time- tested and time-proven, it is relatively widely supported by receivers (compared to *no* IBOC or DRM receivers available yet!), and most importantly, it *works*. When properly done, there is *no* downside to adding AM Stereo to a station. These are the facts that radio station owners and engineers must continue to be made aware of! From philipr@irac.pe.ca Tue Jul 02 09:16:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 2 Jul 2002 16:16:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 73207 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2002 16:16:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2002 16:16:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2002 16:16:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2002 16:16:25 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 16:16:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Misc. ramblings... Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 6015 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Must dust off the old soapbox... Concerning public versus private radio - we all have different preferences in music, format, on air style etc. Here in Canada, CBC provides 4 national networks, 2 English, 2 French [1 stereo, 1 mono for each language]. FM is the primary band - although there are a few AM CBC stations left. I can't speak for NPR or ABC, but I can for CBC. Some CBC programing is dreadful, others OK, still others is AAA+++. I would shudder if there was no CBC. I would also shudder if they were the only game in town. I still can't forgive CBC radio for the way it treated its affiliates in the 1970s. yet, I recognize they do have some excellant programming - particularly news and comedy. CBC has never been a friend of AM Stereo, largely because the old AM network was, and in its 98% FM mode now, still is mono. We must agree to disagree... given our different tastes. Concerning local ownership versus chains - I do have a bias in favour of local ownership. One of my co-workers has told me that the old MacLean-Hunter radio chain was great to work for. Sadly, that chain is no more in Atlantic Canada at least. We can rail at the chains, even rant and roar like true Newfoundlanders [Thank you 'Great Big Sea'] a land where radio is almost totally owned by Newcap, but if a chain does go bust, chances are another will step in and buy the stations. What can we do? 1. support the locally owned stations that still exist - this is happening now, with offers of engineering help to those stations to help them convert to AM Stereo, or keep stereo running smoothly. 2. Try to acquire stations ourselves. The problem is $$$, specifically a lack thereof. Perhaps the answer is a radio co-op. There is one station that I know of in Canada that operates on Co-operative principles - one vote per shareholder - whether you own 13% - the largest shareholder - or 0.2%. 0.1% is the smallest shareholder - there are over 300 shareholders. Needless to say, good management is necessary for this to work well, and lately management has been making some enormous mistakes - reacting rather than acting, and listening to misguided "consultants" rather than common sense. To the extent that the laws of your country allow for co-operative corporate structure in radio, this might be an interesting matter to ponder if a station with potential comes up for sale at a reasonable price. Regarding premium priced am stereo radios imported from Japan - I too have drooled over these rigs, but price has held me back. Yet, I can certainly see why these rigs are priced at the level they are. Give credit to the entrepreneur, hang in there Chuck! My inclination would be that if I can interest someone with fairly deep pockets in AM stereo, I would send them in that direction. You know, the guy who buys a Grundig Satellite 800 while on a business trip without blinking. For the discriminating enthusiast, you know the guy who wants an amplifier with .000005% THD rather than .005% THD, I'd point them in the direction of Fanfare. Otherwise, I'll be looking to Chris and others to provide me with goodies to convert existing radios, and a transmitter to demonstrate them on! Personally, I believe AM IBOC will be as wildly successful as the L- Cassette. The only way it might fly would be daytime only, improved technology including stereo and no reduction in analogue fidelity, and mandatory analogue CQUAM at night. Sounds impossible from an engineering point of view, but never say never. It has no chance of flying if it is a mono, limited coverage, daytime only service that harms the fidelity of existing analogue reception - unless receiver manufacturers offer it at no extra cost to the consumer. And yes, dropping domestic turkeys out of an airplane is a great radio promotion for Thanksgiving Day. Eureka 147 offers limited coverage, high quality stereo broadcasting. Eureka 147's weaknesses happen to be AM's greatest strengths - which is why we really need three bands - Eureka 147, FM and AM - all in stereo, with sound quality as good as technology and bandwidth permits. Eureka 147 hardly seems to be catching on in Canada - largely due to receiver availability, price and consumer felt need - "Why should I pay $XXX.XX for a 'radio' when I'm satisfied with FM radio as is? Sure, it may multipath and picket fence a bit, but heck, listening to the radio is free, and I don't like to pay big bucks for something when I can get pretty good service for free." Remember, these are the same people who feel that $60 to $70 CDN is too much for a radio - a.k.a. the GE SR III. Folks, we're in this one together. Many would say we are tilting at windmills, but there have been some successes along the way. We can hardly fault an inovative company that has long supported AM Stereo because they are responding to curent market forces. IBOC has been talked about for several years now, and its not likely to go away until its been tried and failed. Our greatest opportunity to promote AM Stereo will be when frustrated AM stations start turning off their IBOC gear after having sunk $100k plus. The mom and pop stations that can't afford IBOC right away will have a better sound on the analogue radios 99% of the population will still own than their richer competitors, and a happy few listeners will be enjoying AM Stereo and hopefully spreading the word. Perhaps $5k to $10k or so to get CQUAM on their station will seem like a reasonable tax right off that just might work this time! In the meanwhile, do what you can to promote AM Stereo. Let a friend or a co-worker hear it. Keep the flame alive, until the time is right. AM Stereo reminds me of a talented musician who keeps working the clubs, looking for that recording contract, producing an independent CD only to go bust, eventually to break through after 15 or 20 years and score one smash hit after another. Phil From KC4QLP@aol.com Tue Jul 02 09:29:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 2 Jul 2002 16:29:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 53091 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2002 16:29:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2002 16:29:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2002 16:29:28 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.a5.2a1604a0 (3313) for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 12:29:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 12:29:20 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} NPR, Business Vision and AM Stereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp ******News FLASH!****** << It is my honest opinion that too many engineers want the "easy way" in maintaining an AM station; it's not an option! If you want quality AM, IBOC is not the way to go; C-QUAM is the ONLY WAY TO GO. >> If....and thats a big I F IBOC ever comes into play for everyday AM radio,maintaining IBOC will require just as much,if not more maintenance as C-QUAM. IBOC will use the same platform that C-QUAM now uses...so to sum it up....if the directional array isnt operating properly or the transmitter has some incidental phase modulation,your IBOC transmission will be more effected than the C-QUAM transmission. Just setting the record straight and bringing everyone back to reality. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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I have watched this thread evolve for the past few days. The explanation from Nautel is a good spin and in my opinion justified from a business point of view.. However they have no excuse for using an automated responder with any kind of verbiage assuming a question will be answered and loosing a possible lead when an engineer or GM requests information. It is pathetic not to mention causing 48 hours of endless speculation on this platform. EVERY SALE IS UNIQUE, and should be treated as such and nurtured to fruition. Namely"THE SALE". A website is to display your wares, not hide behind. E-Mail is to facilitate communications. not an excuse for taking extra smoke breaks. Voice mail is for those moments that you are already on the phone. not a way to grab an extra day off. Endless Automated attendant trees to navigate to on a phone system cause me to call somebody else. I am so sick of "if you know your parties extenuation dial it now. If I knew the extention I would not have called the main number to get the extention. Perhaps I should put an automated responder on my personnel server or the business site. I can't wait to see what the GM will do at my stations when he sees that response to his next question for me to answer. Or forward my emergency pager/PCS phone to an answering machine. That will go over big next time the digital STL receiver needs reset. Say what you mean and mean what you say. If there is a new transmitter design I say great lets look at it. Thanks must go to Jeff for indicating that you can still get an older design in a Foreign county or here if you wish to run cquam. If I am in a foreign country that does not have any plans to go to IBOC or whatever but my country has a 9kc channel split and can use Japanese radios (Australia) don't even bother to respond with a digital transmitter quote. I have sold AM Stereo radios to Australia and South America. The next beef I have is the fact that I have never received ONE referral from a manufacturer even though I do have a link to BE on my site. I talked with BE and they said they would get back to me. I been waiting 4 years. I talked with Harris.......................same answer. I been waiting 4 years. I talked with Nautel.......................same answer. Still waiting 4 years. I talked to Richardson.................................Salesman never called back Basically I gave up begging for a link on their sites. No one would return my calls. I put BE's up to test the waters and should remove them from the page. What does everyone think .....SHOULD I REMOVE THE BE LINK? For lack of cooperation. We sit here willing to provide support for (FREE) no less, and the manufacturers won't even put a link on their pages to the only 3 websites that could provide Radios for them to suggest to the very stations they sell product to. What else is sold in the world that can't be used. On occasion I have been called and queried as to my next transmitter purchase, I always ask about AM Stereo, the salesman invariably says I should not be concerned about it as there are not too many radios to listen to it with. I then tell them about www.stereoam.com and my links to other sites there. Have you ever heard a blank stare on the telephone? It is scary.............. So in summery they know we are here they know we can help, but unless we PAY them to put a page in their catalog I guess we won't get any exposure at all. In the unlikely event that IBOC fails perhaps now is the time to keep all of our options open. Perhaps Ken can get me a Nautel Logo and permission to link to Nautels site so we can partner up and promote both sides of the industry. I plan to do both as long as I can get product from Japan for either one I have been teasing (radio term) IBOC on my site to see if anyone sends an email in with a question. So far nothing........in my contacts with the general public they don't know IBOC from Adams house cat. Geeee they don't even know AM Stereo exists either and once again I dirgress. Thanks for reading, I hope I expressed a few valid sentiments and did not step to hard on my colleges toes in the process. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 11:21 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Nautel no longer supplying stereo - offical response > Very well put. I cannot fault anything Jeff has said. It is kinda > like when I bought my 4WD pickup in Jan '97, after going thru a > winter where I lost 16 days due to snow the year before... > I used the 4wd exactly twice in the next 4 years. In the computer world, this is known as "vaporware" -- when a product or new feature is long-awaited and design changes are made in anticipation of accomodating it, but it never arrives, or arrives so late and in such a different fashion that nobody cares about it anymore. If you're using a PC, look down at your keyboard, and find the "SysRq" key. This is vaporware! The "System Request" key was added to PC keyboards in 1984 in anticipation of being used by new multitasking operating systems that were supposed to arrive. Well, the first multitasking operating system, IBM's OS/2, didn't arrive until 1987, and at that point nobody cared about it. Then Windows started to arrive around 1990, and it has never made use of the "SysRq" key, which has thus become "vaporware"! In regards to Nautel's transmitters, what they can do is inform their customers of all the available options. Just like a good car salesman would do -- because the newest and most expensive choice is not always the best choice! And with IBOC, DRM, or anything else, there is a very great risk right now. Will it be worth it in the long run? Maybe, but that possibility is decreasing with every tick of the clock. The IBOC folks are already saying that arrival of IBOC recivers will be delayed *another* year because they have run into the stumbling blocks of adjacent-channel interference and nighttime operation. Meanwhile, analog AM Stereo is here, it is cost effective, it is time- tested and time-proven, it is relatively widely supported by receivers (compared to *no* IBOC or DRM receivers available yet!), and most importantly, it *works*. When properly done, there is *no* downside to adding AM Stereo to a station. These are the facts that radio station owners and engineers must continue to be made aware of! Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Tue Jul 02 10:23:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 2 Jul 2002 17:23:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 64225 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2002 17:23:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2002 17:23:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d09.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2002 17:23:43 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.17b.a945a73 (3313) for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 13:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <17b.a945a73.2a533b90@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 13:23:28 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:I love autoresponders To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 7/2/02 12:37:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mychucky@funport.net writes: << I have been teasing (radio term) IBOC on my site to see if anyone sends an email in with a question. So far nothing........in my contacts with the general public they don't know IBOC from Adams house cat. Geeee they don't even know AM Stereo exists either and once again I dirgress. Thanks for reading, I hope I expressed a few valid sentiments and did not step to hard on my colleges toes in the process. Chuck >> All very well said Chuck! As far as the general public not knowing IBOC or AM Stereo for that matter from Adams house cat,just goes to show what damage has occured from the AM Stereo debacle and letting the industry choose what system would be used.The public became so confused and frustrated in the matter that they do not care anymore.The majority of the public only cares about the programming content of the radio station.If they can get their news/weather/sports and a few laughs on the way to work and back home and a little of this and that on weekends...thats all they care about. You mention AM Stereo and you get....dahdhahdhahdhahh as a response.Its sad..it really is. Maybe we can target the Soccer Moms and the NASCAR Dads..we know they listen to what their children listen too....which seems to be the major part of the demograpghic that cares about quality and content. Either way you go..whether its IBOC or C-QUAM,it wont take off without a little bit of help. This is where I'm surprised that Chuck did not get the responses that he should have received for links to his page. Its a scratch my back..I'll scratch yours deal. If people know where to get the receivers and they want them...they'll get them..and stations will make the conversion if they know people will be listening to the new investment. Thats how it works folks. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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It is pathetic not to mention causing 48 > hours of endless speculation on this platform. I agree with most of your message, Chuck, but need to make a few points. First, we don't use an autoresponder for anything. What I said was "canned response", meaning the typical initial response one of the secretaries would send as instructed by the salesmen. Worded poorly, perhaps, but not an autoresponse. Second, I was monitoring the individual threads about thirty minutes after Matt posted the first message on the topic. I let it go nearly 48 hours to give it a chance to wind down so I could field several comments at once, rather than a one at a time parade of them. And there was very little speculation - universal condemnation perhaps, but very little speculation! > EVERY SALE IS UNIQUE, and should be treated as such and nurtured to fruition. > Namely"THE SALE". A website is to display your wares, not hide behind. E-Mail is > to facilitate communications. not an excuse for taking extra smoke breaks. Voice > mail is for those moments that you are already on the phone. not a way to grab > an extra day off. Endless Automated attendant trees to navigate to on a phone > system cause me to call somebody else. I am so sick of "if you know your parties > extenuation dial it now. If I knew the extention I would not have called the > main number to get the extention. At this point, I assumed that you drifted away from us in particular and are venting against the world in general, but a few additional points on the above. Our website, which I will be one of the first to admit could use some work, is a place to get some initial information on our product line and how to contact us. I get three smoke breaks a day, and answer over a hundred emails a day, including the two hours every morning before work and usually another hour at night before bed on my own time. Email is an easy way for people to get in touch with you. But don't expect me to respond to it any faster than I would a fax. All things get handled based on priority (off-air customers get faster treatment than a request for quotation - and I don't care if the quote is from the super conglomerate of the month and it's only a 250W daytimer off-air). Counting weekends, I haven't had a full 24 hr period off (meaning not even checking office email) in several months. And I put my extension number on my sig. line. I'm not complaining, I love what I do. But, due to email, voice mail and the other technological improvements that have made me so much more accessible to my customers, my workload has quadrupled in the past five years. Don't be so quick to assume that a formatted response is auto-transmitted, it's just faster - I didn't send the message in question, but I do have a few "point and click" responses to standard questions that could be sent for such an occasion. > If I am in a foreign country that does not have any plans to go to IBOC or > whatever but my country has a 9kc channel split and can use Japanese radios > (Australia) don't even bother to respond with a digital transmitter quote. But Australia is researching DRM (IBOC capable) as well as Eureka. As I said earlier, to the best of the knowledge I have available, no decision has been made yet. If the customer wants specific information, the website is not the place to get it. I wouldn't buy a new car based on a quotation from a website - and we're talking about the same dollar value (for an ND1). Nor would I assume that because the website said air conditioning was not an option that I absolutely couldn't get it. The point is, as mentioned in a previous message, it is quite possible that the DAB version of the ND1 can't be done in AMS at the frequency for which Matt was seeking information, if it got to the point where a frequency was mentioned (if a quotation was prepared, I assume it did). But, if he pushed our sales guys, they could quote the non-DAB version of the transmitter, although it would require some serious ass-covering to prevent the inevitable problems if DRM did happen in Oz in the near future. (well why did you sell us this if you knew it wasn't capable, blah, blah, blah.) > The next beef I have is the fact that I have never received ONE referral from a > manufacturer even though I do have a link to BE on my site. We (Customer Service) get most of the type of calls from which you would receive a referral, and I don't know to whom you were speaking (I assume Sales). However, I've done some back tracking, and I've had exactly one customer, in Columbia, ask me for sources on AM stereo in five years. I sent them to www.amstereoradio.com (thanks, Kevin!), as that's what I had to work with. > Thanks for reading, I hope I expressed a few valid sentiments and did not step > to hard on my colleges toes in the process. No, as I said, I assumed you were venting at the world in general - I've been in Customer Service much too long to take that sort of thing too personally (if my feathers appeared a little ruffled in the preceding, they're not, really!) Best, Jeff Welton Nautel Customer Service Dept. Tel.: 1-902-823-3900 ext. 127 Fax: 1-902-823-3183 email: jwelton@nautel.com From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Jul 02 10:38:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 2 Jul 2002 17:38:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 42743 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2002 17:38:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2002 17:38:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11704.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2002 17:38:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20020702173851.56918.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.32.122] by web11704.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Jul 2002 10:38:51 PDT Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 10:38:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: AM stereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542809CAF228@AUSYM200> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Can an American own a station in Australia? I mean outright ownership. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From jwelton@nautel.com Tue Jul 02 12:50:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 2 Jul 2002 19:50:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 25556 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2002 19:50:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2002 19:50:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserver.nautel.com) (24.222.4.134) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2002 19:50:35 -0000 Received: FROM jeff-welton BY mailserver.nautel.com ; Tue Jul 02 16:51:26 2002 -0300 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:49:49 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Nautel no longer supplying stereo - offical response Message-ID: <3D21D9AB.6604.1C89DBA@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body From: "Jeff Welton" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 > In regards to Nautel's transmitters, what they can do is inform their > customers of all the available options. Just like a good car salesman > would do -- because the newest and most expensive choice is not always the > best choice! True, but... The car salesman is dealing with a consumer level product provided to him by a separate manufacturer - he is more the middleman. Using this analogy, we are the manufacturer, but we can also act as the sales force - a situation G.M. has never been in, so it is hard to make a comparison. To keep the situation analogous to AMS, we used to make a power programmer - basically a computer that could be installed in a transmitter to automatically switch to the different power levels required by daytime stations in the U.S. (sometimes as many as six different power levels in one day). In five years of producing and supporting this product, we sold 12. We took it off the market, although we still provide tech support and parts. How many times has a car salesman told you of the optional premium sound system and mentioned it has AMS? If nobody asks him about it, he probably won't mention it to anybody else. This is the case we are seeing with AMS, since January 2000, we've shipped just over 25 AMS equipped transmitters, less than 5% of total sales volume, less than 10% of AM transmitter volume. When everbody's asking for DAB, that's what the sales guys are pushing. Now the question becomes, we've built it, will the receivers (and listeners) come? If they do, we're ready, if they don't, we have a fallback - we take a loss but it's not a door-closer. As I said before, if we don't build it and they come anyway, we send a lot of people home. Best, Jeff Welton Nautel Customer Service Dept. Tel.: 1-902-823-3900 ext. 127 Fax: 1-902-823-3183 email: jwelton@nautel.com From alfredot@inetarena.com Tue Jul 02 13:10:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredot@inetarena.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 2 Jul 2002 20:10:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 69877 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2002 20:10:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2002 20:10:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.inetarena.com) (206.129.216.13) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2002 20:10:16 -0000 Received: from hendrie (1Cust192.tnt2.portland.or.da.uu.net [67.227.182.192]) by mail.inetarena.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g62K9op24219 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 13:09:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 13:09:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: alfredo@hendrie.1610am.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Radio slides downhill In-Reply-To: <1025445242.4439.42873.m14@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Alfredo E. Torrejon" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25132238 X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon n0uiheric@aol.com writes: > For example, do you know what the top-rated morning show in Richmond, VA is? > Would you believe...NPR MORNING EDITION? NPR pulls strong ratings in the Portland area during morning drive, beating out the other news shows. What I can't figure out is, why aren't the conglomerates, especially Clear Channel, doing anything? It seems that their management were thinking logically, they would say, "hey, NPR listenership is growing and they are becoming a serious competitor. *What are they doing that people like?* How can we put together a national news service that would win back some of the listeners that we're losing to public radio?" This just seems to prove the hypothesis that Clear Channel's business strategy is simply to buy out stations and programs but not to develop anthing new on its own. By the way, the people that I know who listen exclusively to NPR are not students or "starving artists;" they are affluent professional people who take out home mortgages and buy new cars. In my opinion, Clear Channel and the likes are *fools* for not trying to go after these listeners. Having said that, I'm not in any way implying that the public radio people are saints. What they did to the Class-D FM service is inexcusable. The end result of NPR's lobbying in the late 1970s was that LPFM stations may only be used as translators. Licenses can still be obtained for low-powered stations, but the low-powered stations can't have their own studios. The result is that these low-powered licenses often go to groups like the Educational Media Foundation and are used to re-transmit programming from satellite feeds with no locally relevant content. If a tornado comes through town and you happen to be listening to EMF's "K-Love" tranlator or to "Air-1," you won't hear any emergency information because these translators are not even required to have EAS equipment. Alfredo From davidcoons@webtv.net Tue Jul 02 13:53:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: davidcoons@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 2 Jul 2002 20:53:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 63292 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2002 20:53:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2002 20:53:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-2001-3.public.lawson.webtv.net) (209.240.212.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2002 20:53:14 -0000 Received: from storefull-2318.public.lawson.webtv.net (lawson-public-ipmux-1-a2-pip.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.212.5]) by smtpout-2001-3.public.lawson.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 2C0AFBE1C for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 13:53:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-2318.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id NAA08420; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 13:53:13 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRgsCmG18csyRim4GnfkPCLLR7KWQIUEhQLTPzInnrKWO4g68YFr9i3NqY= Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:53:13 -0400 (EDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} (Borderline OT) Ponderous Tome about Stereo Oldies Message-ID: <20269-3D2212B9-1428@storefull-2318.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: ". Narkspud" 's message of Mon, 01 Jul 2002 20:03:19 -0700 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-From: davidcoons@webtv.net (David Coons) From: davidcoons@webtv.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10533228 does anyone else remember what "I think were alone now" by tommy james and the shondells used to sound like?when it was re-mixed for cd it was so altered as to make it painfull to listen to From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Jul 02 15:06:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 2 Jul 2002 22:06:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 81643 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2002 22:06:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2002 22:06:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2002 22:06:17 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn54.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.58]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:06:17 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: UX-1 Example Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:06:18 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <9f.29765d00.2a4f8ed0@aol.com> Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HEY! This is what I'VE been thinking of doing. How's it done? I'd love to feed my Alfredo's signal through the power lines. Will it work for FM? Could I feed THAT into the lines and have some coverage? :) I'm just curious. I'm wondering....is this the "backwards" of those little devices that you buy to plug your TV's antenna input into your home's electrical outlet and your home's electrical wiring becomes your TV antenna? I do a lot of AC wiring....you have the hot wire (the black one) and then the neutral wire (the white one). You can actually touch one or the other as long as you're not touching both or grounding yourself. Could one possibly feed the signal into the neutral side of the electrical circuit and have it work? No kids, don't try this at home! Not gonna do anything til I find out for sure. My Alfredo lite is my baby...I don't want to blow it up :) MJR -----Original Message----- From: KC4QLP@aol.com [mailto:KC4QLP@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 4:30 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: UX-1 Example Operate 10 watts using a carrier current system {it is where you feed your signal through the power lines through a special coupling "device"} In the United States,it is legal to do that and still cover decent area.Something to look into. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From matthew.trim@eds.com Tue Jul 02 16:42:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 2 Jul 2002 23:42:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 24298 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2002 23:42:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2002 23:42:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns5.eds.com) (203.17.185.230) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2002 23:42:55 -0000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com (nnsy-3.eds.com [192.168.1.1]) by ns5.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g62NgrK22302 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:42:53 +1000 (EST) Received: from nnsy.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g62Ngpg09792 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:42:51 +1000 (EST) Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g62NgmS09768 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:42:48 +1000 (EST) Received: by AUSYM000 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:40:12 +1000 Message-ID: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542809CAF22F@AUSYM200> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: AM stereo Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:40:17 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 No :( I believe you can have up to 49% ownership.... I think that's why Clear Channel don't exist as a company here, only as a half owner of a company called ARN or "Australian Radio Network" -----Original Message----- From: JNR [mailto:a1asurfradio@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, 3 July 2002 3:39 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: AM stereo Can an American own a station in Australia? I mean outright ownership. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From dav259@csiro.au Tue Jul 02 16:46:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 2 Jul 2002 23:46:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 27898 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2002 23:46:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2002 23:46:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2002 23:46:14 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27044 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:46:13 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:46:12 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: AM stereo In-Reply-To: <20020702173851.56918.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Tue, 2 Jul 2002, Jay wrote: > Can an American own a station in Australia? I > mean outright ownership. Unfortunately yes. The Australian Radio Network (2nd biggest in the land) is owed 50% by CC and 50% by APN (an Irish newspaper outfit). What is becomming known as the Nova network is owned by the UK's Daily Mail Group. Pity ... :( Fortunately though owners of newspapers or TV stations can't own radio stations in the same market. The government is planning to relax the "cross media ownership" provisions soon. Fortunately so far the Labor Party with the help of the Democrats and Greens in the Senate say they'll block this move. But sometimes the Democrats or Greens accept a bribe - particularly on the environment. The last bribe never came to fruition so hopefully they'll be more wary and "principled" in future. Ian From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Jul 02 17:02:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 00:02:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 71669 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 00:02:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 00:02:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11705.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 00:02:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20020703000239.51984.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.32.122] by web11705.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Jul 2002 17:02:39 PDT Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 17:02:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: AM stereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio So what you're telling me is an Aus. radio company can be owned 50/50 by TWO foreign companies? Weird. Jay P.S.: Hey, let's all buy a station in Australia. Can we make up our own number-letter combination so long as it adheres to the number zone/band letter (2 letters for AM, three for FM) rule? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jul 02 17:04:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 00:04:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 46617 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 00:04:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 00:04:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 00:04:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2002 00:04:41 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 00:04:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Nautel no longer supplying stereo - offical response Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D21D9AB.6604.1C89DBA@localhost> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2248 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.16 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > When everbody's asking for DAB, that's what the sales guys are > pushing. You also should be "pushing" the fact that IBOC/DRM is not only still experimental and unproven, it is also simply not going to work in a lot of cases, even in cases where analog AM Stereo would work very well. For example, a 1000-watt station with a 6-tower directional array and nulls the size of Texas is going to wreak havoc with the IBOC signal, to the point where it probably wouldn't work at all. In fact, during the testing process it has been recommended that IBOC not be used on directional stations at all, because that would lead to problems and limitations in addition to the issues the IBOC system itself causes. My favorite term for this is "Silly People Protection", to steal a term used by a computer program that warns people against using it in a less than ideal manner. Now, let's say IBOC is approved, stations start to use it, and receivers become available. Wonderful, right? But then some station comes along like the one described above and wants to use IBOC to "stay competitive". Hopefully you would at least put in some disclaimers about the possible problems they would encounter with IBOC, even if this means losing out on the sale of a tran$mitter and the a$$ociated IBOC equipment. I work in real estate, so I know what it is like to work with large sales. There is pressure to maintain the feeling that "the customer is always right". But even at the million-dollar level, it is amazing how many people make their decisions on impulse and not on rational thought. There are "fads" in every industry, and in the radio industry, we don't really have any way of knowing if things like IBOC and DRM are going to turn out to just be fads or if they are going to last. So, I think a little "Silly People Protection" is always appropriate. Anyway, to have some perspective, do you happen to have the info on what percentage of your customers are asking about things like Kahn PowerSide or RDS on FM? These are two other technologies that do have some merit but are largely ignored (although RDS is *highly* popular in Europe, enough so that it is almost taken for granted there, much like FM Stereo). From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Jul 02 17:16:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 00:16:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 23549 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 00:16:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 00:16:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11706.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 00:16:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20020703001625.42803.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.32.122] by web11706.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Jul 2002 17:16:25 PDT Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 17:16:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1025233603.261129.78464.w2@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio How did they ever get the call NDXE? Were they government? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From matthew.trim@eds.com Tue Jul 02 17:29:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 00:29:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 21876 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 00:29:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 00:29:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns5.eds.com) (203.17.185.230) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 00:29:55 -0000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com (nnsy-3.eds.com [192.168.1.1]) by ns5.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g630TrK04993 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:29:54 +1000 (EST) Received: from nnsy.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g630Tpg04374 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:29:51 +1000 (EST) Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g630ToS04363 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:29:50 +1000 (EST) Received: by AUSYM000 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:29:25 +1000 Message-ID: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542809CAF230@AUSYM200> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: AM stereo Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:29:31 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 It would be cheap to buy and run, considering your $$$ buys almost $1.90 AUD - relatively speaking of course remembering income would be in AUD... :( -----Original Message----- From: JNR [mailto:a1asurfradio@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, 3 July 2002 10:03 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: AM stereo So what you're telling me is an Aus. radio company can be owned 50/50 by TWO foreign companies? Weird. Jay P.S.: Hey, let's all buy a station in Australia. Can we make up our own number-letter combination so long as it adheres to the number zone/band letter (2 letters for AM, three for FM) rule? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From dav259@csiro.au Tue Jul 02 17:32:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 00:32:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 87049 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 00:32:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 00:32:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 00:32:09 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27204 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:32:08 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:32:07 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: AM stereo In-Reply-To: <20020703000239.51984.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Tue, 2 Jul 2002, JNR wrote: > So what you're telling me is an Aus. radio > company can be owned 50/50 by TWO foreign > companies? Weird. As I said YES and Matt said NO I rang the ABA in Sydney. I was advised there are "no foreign ownership restrictions" on owning commercial radio stations in Oz - the only restriction at the moment is the cross media ownership rule. > P.S.: Hey, let's all buy a station in Australia. > Can we make up our own number-letter combination > so long as it adheres to the number zone/band > letter (2 letters for AM, three for FM) rule? If only!! Some stations don't use their official call letters anymore. We could re-invent something like I think it was 4IP which used to call itself "Stereo 10". From matthew.trim@eds.com Tue Jul 02 17:44:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 00:44:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 77838 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 00:44:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 00:44:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns5.eds.com) (203.17.185.230) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 00:44:37 -0000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com (nnsy-3.eds.com [192.168.1.1]) by ns5.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g630iZK08654 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:44:35 +1000 (EST) Received: from nnsy.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g630iXg10733 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:44:33 +1000 (EST) Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g630iWS10729 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:44:33 +1000 (EST) Received: by AUSYM000 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:44:08 +1000 Message-ID: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542809CAF231@AUSYM200> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: AM stereo Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:44:13 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Yep Ian's 100% right there, I was wrong. I believe the reason ARN is 50/50 split with two foreign companies is to enable them to get around the cross media ownership rules. -----Original Message----- From: Ian Davidson [mailto:dav259@csiro.au] Sent: Wednesday, 3 July 2002 10:32 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: AM stereo On Tue, 2 Jul 2002, JNR wrote: > So what you're telling me is an Aus. radio > company can be owned 50/50 by TWO foreign > companies? Weird. As I said YES and Matt said NO I rang the ABA in Sydney. I was advised there are "no foreign ownership restrictions" on owning commercial radio stations in Oz - the only restriction at the moment is the cross media ownership rule. > P.S.: Hey, let's all buy a station in Australia. > Can we make up our own number-letter combination > so long as it adheres to the number zone/band > letter (2 letters for AM, three for FM) rule? If only!! Some stations don't use their official call letters anymore. We could re-invent something like I think it was 4IP which used to call itself "Stereo 10". Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jul 02 19:01:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 02:01:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 26159 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 02:01:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 02:01:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 02:01:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2002 02:01:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 02:01:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: NDXE (shortwave Stereo) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020703001625.42803.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 656 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.16 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > How did they ever get the call NDXE? Were they government? Not government... just wishful thinking. Even though N-calls are not assigned to broadcast stations in the USA, that didn't seem to stop NDXE from choosing those letters to stand for "In Dixie". If they were government, they wouldn't even need call letters on shortwave, or even on AM -- the Voice Of America operates a station, called "Radio Marti", on 1180 kHz AM aimed at Cuba, and unlike all other AM band stations it does not have a call sign. I've also heard it is transmitting with more than 50,000 watts, something that is also not allowed for other AM stations in the USA. From n0uiheric@aol.com Tue Jul 02 19:21:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 02:21:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 60683 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 02:21:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 02:21:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r09.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.105) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 02:21:48 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.130.10aaaf59 (3866) for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 22:21:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <130.10aaaf59.2a53b9b5@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 22:21:41 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: NDXE (shortwave Stereo) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih The man who owned the permit for NDXE was a real visionary named H. Dickson Norman. We don't have too many of those in the commercial radio business anymore. The format he planned was a Variety format; he also made plans to sell products from potential advertisers and ship them to various points around the world (mainly in the industrialized world) through the port of Mobile, AL. Unfortunately, his vision didn't come to fruition. Even WRNO Worldwide claimed that some programs were in "Stereo"; if they tried Stereo, it may have either been Kahn ISB or Motorola C-QUAM. Today, there's a shortwave station called WBCQ. Allan Weiner, a former pirate station operator, owns WBCQ. The station's transmitter is on Weiner's farm in Monticello, ME; their offices are in Kennebunk, ME. Check 7415 kHz after Midnight UTC (7:00 p.m. Eastern U.S. time). Maybe this would be a good test station for C-QUAM on shortwave. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Jul 02 19:27:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 02:27:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 59557 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 02:27:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 02:27:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 02:27:55 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-105.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.105]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g632PFIh020870 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:25:16 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <006401c22239$d4595620$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: UX-1 Example Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:32:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude You've got a matching network that adjusts the impedance of the line to match the output of the transmitter. Yes, you can use the neutral- it can often provide better coverage than the hot because the neutral isn't blocked by the transformer in many instances. No, it isn't the same as those TV devices which are pretty much nothing more than a couple small caps to block the low freq. AC. FM won't work carrier current- freq. too high; inductance of the wires eventually chokes out the signal. Will try to dig out a schematic of a carrier current line coupler and scan and email it to you, but since I've never done it before, chances are it will take several tries. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael J. Richard" > HEY! This is what I'VE been thinking of doing. How's it done? I'd love to > feed my Alfredo's signal through the power lines. Will it work for FM? > Could I feed THAT into the lines and have some coverage? :) I'm just > curious. I'm wondering....is this the "backwards" of those little devices > that you buy to plug your TV's antenna input into your home's electrical > outlet and your home's electrical wiring becomes your TV antenna? > Could one > possibly feed the signal into the neutral side of the electrical circuit and > have it work? From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Jul 02 19:29:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 02:29:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 70866 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 02:29:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 02:29:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 02:29:01 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-105.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.105]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g632QMIh021010 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:26:23 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <006e01c22239$fc17e5a0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020703001625.42803.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:33:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Nope. They were hoping the FCC would bend the rules and let them have it, but I don't think the app ever got as far as the FCC. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "JNR" > How did they ever get the call NDXE? Were they government? > From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Jul 02 19:30:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 02:30:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 33187 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 02:30:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 02:30:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 02:30:13 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-105.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.105]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g632RXIh021221 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:27:35 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <007601c2223a$26f170c0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Misc. ramblings... Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:34:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I like your thinking, Phil. It could happen. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "tubesareking" > AM Stereo reminds me of a talented musician who keeps working the > clubs, looking for that recording contract, producing an independent > CD only to go bust, eventually to break through after 15 or 20 years > and score one smash hit after another. From jwelton@nautel.com Tue Jul 02 20:37:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 03:37:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 71903 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 03:37:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 03:37:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO relay2.softcomca.com) (168.144.1.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 03:37:02 -0000 Received: from m2w054 ([168.144.108.54]) by relay2.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Tue, 2 Jul 2002 23:37:00 -0400 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: {AMSF} Sales tactics, AMS and IBOC (and some rambling) Sender: "jwelton@nautel.com" Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 23:37:00 -0400 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Return-Path: jwelton@nautel.com Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2002 03:37:00.0482 (UTC) FILETIME=[E3CCA220:01C22242] From: "jwelton@nautel.com" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Originating-IP: 24.222.136.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 At the risk of being accused of "toeing the company line": >You also should be "pushing" the fact that IBOC/DRM is not only still=20 >experimental and unproven, it is also simply not going to work in a=20 >lot of cases, even in cases where analog AM Stereo would work very=20 >well. You're repeating the same arguments that, in 1988, helped put AMS where it = is today, as different proponents tried to find technical defects with the = systems proposed by the others. We (Nautel) are not in a position to state= that IBOC will or will not work, and to state that it won't is self-defeat= ing. I can think of very few cases where AMS will work properly where IBOC= wouldn't, as the primary requirement for good performance of both systems = is bandwidth, and lots of it. >For example, a 1000-watt station with a 6-tower directional array and=20 >nulls the size of Texas is going to wreak havoc with the IBOC signal,=20 >to the point where it probably wouldn't work at all.=20=20 Although your example is somewhat of an exaggeration, assuming a stable gro= und system and sufficient bandwidth this should not be an issue. Granted, = there are going to be a lot of stations with marginal arrays who will have = to lay out a lot of money to properly engineer the antenna system - several= of them would have the problems you describe trying to operate IBOC (or AM= S, for that matter) into their existing system. >My favorite term for this is "Silly People Protection", to steal a=20 >term used by a computer program that warns people against using it in=20 >a less than ideal manner.=20=20 Unfortunately, all the warnings in the world won't perform this task. I co= nsistently have customers asking how to defeat the SWR protection rather th= an fixing a problem in the antenna system - some of them get quite offended= that we won't tell them how to do so, even after they're told why. I also= have several AMS stations running in excess of 125% positive peak modulati= on, when it's obvious that anything over 100% will start to affect performa= nce. Yes, the overall affect is small, but operating an AMS system over 10= 0% positive peak is "less than ideal". (for that matter, so's operating ove= r 100% positive peak in mono mode - it's intentional distortion). >I work in real estate, so I know what it is like to work with large=20 >sales. There is pressure to maintain the feeling that "the customer=20 >is always right".=20=20 The customer is not always right, but he is always the customer. Our job i= s, where possible, to assist him in obtaining the equipment he needs, based= on what he wants to do. If what he is asking for will not achieve the end= s he describes, we say so. (I apologize for the gender specific text, I hav= e trouble being politically correct at times). If we provide a transmitter= that is not capable of at least being upgraded to handle IBOC should it ha= ppen, we are doing just as great a disservice, both to our customers and ou= r employees, as if we sold one that was not AMS capable knowing that's the = customer's long term goal. As I stated earlier, it is better for us and ou= r customers if we plan for IBOC and have a fallback, than to assume it isn'= t going to happen. If a customer came to us and stated that he wants an AM= S transmitter that can be upgraded to IBOC in the future, we have the techn= ology to make it happen. How it impacts deliveries and logistics is an ent= irely different matter, as is whether or not we would choose to quote on su= ch a request, but it can be done. I can not, in good conscience recommend = AMS to a customer as a revenue booster, because whether or not it is depend= s purely on how the station promotes it. The same will hold true for IBOC. >Anyway, to have some perspective, do you happen to have the info on=20 >what percentage of your customers are asking about things like Kahn=20 >PowerSide or RDS on FM?=20=20 RDS is easy - none. We don't provide any RDS equipment (encoders or any of= the like) and as it's carried on an SCA channel, of which we provide three= in the NE50 exciter, there's never been any reason for a request to arise. On PowerSide, we probably get (I'm guessing a little here) about two techni= cal type questions a year. However, since we also don't provide PowerSide = equipment, that's not really putting any perspective on the issue. My comm= ent on the quantity of C-QUAM exciter boards we sell was just that - how ma= ny we sell. We don't get more than two or three questions a year (technica= lly speaking) on them either. I guess, to summarize, I sympathize with your position. AMS can be made to= sound good - the KABL clip that Marv sent me proves that. Unfortunately, = very few AMS stations are running sufficient bandwidth with decent processi= ng, so, except for some separation and a few kHz of upper midrange, there's= no significant improvement. Yes, there are exceptions. Marv, if you ever= get a chance to tune in KXTR in Kansas City, MO, I'd like your opinion; an= d an MPEG file - they are running outboard AMS into an XL12 with moderate p= rocessing and I like the way they sound. Last time I heard them, CJLS here= in Yarmouth was sounding pretty good also, but that's been awhile. I coul= d name a few others, but my point is that, (assuming we are representative = of the industry) only about 5-10% of AM stations are running AMS. Of those= , only about 10% (0.5 to 1% of the total) are running good (my opinion, of = course) processing into a sufficiently flat antenna to make a significant d= ifference. As well, only a relatively few people have the ability to listen= (don't give me the numbers, of nearly 100 cars in our parking lot, only ab= out half a dozen have AMS receivers). If IBOC is mandated, suddenly about = 10% of ALL AM stations will have the potential to achieve FM quality (or be= tter) sound.=20=20 Yes, at the moment there are very few IBOC receivers. In 1988 there weren'= t a lot of AMS receivers either. But within a few years there were (and wi= ll be) a lot more. Whether IBOC suffers the same fate as AMS will be deter= mined by the same factors - did we learn from history or are we doomed to r= epeat it. The fact that AMS suffered the increased burden of conflicting s= ystems is moot - here we have Eureka, Ibiquity and DRM. I guess what I'm s= aying is that I like AMS, the same as I like the tube amp I had for my bass= guitar, but it won't stop me from trying IBOC, should that come to town. = My job, as I see it, is to make sure that, whatever heppens, I can keep my = customers informed of what they need to make their equipment as reliable as= possible. Whether that is an IBOC transmitter or an analog with AMS is ir= relevant. Both have the potential to sound good. They decide what to play= , I help them keep it on the air. But that's me heading off on another tan= gent. I'm going back to my corner now. Regards, Jeff Welton Customer Service Dept. Nautel Ltd. Tel: 1-902-823-3900, ext. 127 Fax: 1-902-823-3183 jwelton@nautel.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From KC4QLP@aol.com Tue Jul 02 21:00:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 04:00:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 12979 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 04:00:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 04:00:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.5) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 04:00:47 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.185.a84a31b (16784) for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 00:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <185.a84a31b.2a53d0ea@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 00:00:42 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: NDXE (shortwave Stereo) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp << Today, there's a shortwave station called WBCQ. Allan Weiner, a former pirate station operator, owns WBCQ. The station's transmitter is on Weiner's farm in Monticello, ME; their offices are in Kennebunk, ME. Check 7415 kHz after Midnight UTC (7:00 p.m. Eastern U.S. time). Maybe this would be a good test station for C-QUAM on shortwave. >> I have a good friend that has a program airing on WBCQ shortwave. The recreations of Amos N Andy..which runs at midnight eastern every night except Saturday! Quite an operation that WBCQ is.....! BTW...if anyone tunes into the Amos N Andy shows..and you like them,please send a donation to the recreator of the shows to show your support as he has to pay $50 {American} a week to have those shows aired and he has no other income as he is presently retired. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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Don't always believe what you're told. The technical explanation was supposed to be a faulty audio delay unit costing A$18,000. Well this week 3AK has moved into the basement of its new studios being built in Richmond. I guess the engineer has simply plugged the right cords into the right sockets and voila - stereo has returned. Let's hope he gets it right when they move to their long term home upstairs! It'll be interesting to see when I get home if they have a pilot. 3AK's the only station I've heard that has for the most part been in stereo for the last two years with no pilot. Ian - Melbourne From KC4QLP@aol.com Tue Jul 02 21:28:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 04:28:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 15573 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 04:28:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 04:28:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d07.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.39) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 04:28:29 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.184.a851f22 (16784) for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 00:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <184.a851f22.2a53d765@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 00:28:21 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: UX-1 Example To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 7/2/02 6:07:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, michaelj@vcn.com writes: << HEY! This is what I'VE been thinking of doing. How's it done? I'd love to feed my Alfredo's signal through the power lines. Will it work for FM? Could I feed THAT into the lines and have some coverage? :) I'm just curious. I'm wondering....is this the "backwards" of those little devices that you buy to plug your TV's antenna input into your home's electrical outlet and your home's electrical wiring becomes your TV antenna? I do a lot of AC wiring....you have the hot wire (the black one) and then the neutral wire (the white one). You can actually touch one or the other as long as you're not touching both or grounding yourself. Could one possibly feed the signal into the neutral side of the electrical circuit and have it work? No kids, don't try this at home! Not gonna do anything til I find out for sure. My Alfredo lite is my baby...I don't want to blow it up :) >> Hey Michael! I dont have a diagram of the circuit that you would need to couple your transmitter to the power lines.....but it involves some caps and inductors to isolate the transmitter from the actual line voltage...which you need so things dont go *BOOM*PHOOF*ZOT*FLASH*...then releasing all of the built in smoke that makes things work. {If I could put all the smoke back into stuff that blows up and make them work again...I'd be a rich man now...lol} As far as FM..I dont see why it wouldnt work for FM either...I've never tryed it,but if you ever pull apart a clock radio...the FM antenna is usually a run of say 6 inches of wire wrapped around the power cord on the input side of the AC transformer.Grant it ...it works..but nothing like an outdoor antenna. My best bet for ya is to do a search on google.com for low power transmitters or carrier current and see what pops up.Some pages I found are : Carrier Current according to Greg's Sandbox , Carrier-current Transmitter Good luck and keep us up to date. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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Very long ramble ahead.... readers are free to skip to the very last sentence of this message (which contains my main point) if they wish. > I can think of very few cases where AMS will work properly where > IBOC wouldn't, as the primary requirement for good performance of > both systems is bandwidth, and lots of it. IBOC requires 15 kHz worth of flat audio response, for a total of 30 kHZ RF bandwidth, in order to work properly. Every non-NRSC-limited AM station with a directional array that I've heard has only managed to squeak out maybe 12 to 13 kHz of audio -- more than enough for excellent sounding analog AM in either mono or Stereo, but evidently not enough for IBOC. One example is 1600 WWRL in New York City. They have tried almost every analog mode so far: C-Quam AM Stereo, regular mono AM, and now Kahn PowerSide. In 1997, they upgraded to 25 kW daytime, and as a result their signal has enough nulls in it to make the pattern look like flower petals. When WWRL was using AM Stereo without NRSC limiting, as others here can attest, they were transmitting *the* best AM Stereo I have ever heard, with excellent audio processing and crisp response good to about 13 kHz on a wide-band receiver. I basically live in the direction of one of their biggest nulls, and I was still able to get a good, clean, full-response AM Stereo signal from them, even outside their 0.5 mV/m contour. There is an MP3 recording of this up on the www.AMStereoRadio.com site and its quality is enough to exceed the capabilites of the 96 kbps MP3 file it is encoded into. At least from my listening perspective, switching to mono did absolutely nothing to improve WWRL's signal, and now in PowerSide there is once again no benefit -- there is still no noticeable signal increase in their nulls, and the PowerSide audio sounds tinny and distorted, with noticeably reduced bandwidth. Is that an improvement? Maybe in the eyes (and ears) of their engineer, but definitely not me. > anything over 100% will start to affect performance. Yes, the > overall affect is small, but operating an AMS system over 100% > positive peak is "less than ideal". I have found that the newer C-Quam decoder chips (MC13022, 024, 028) are much better at accepting high modulation levels without distortion. The "cosine compensation" circuit is improved so that Stereo mode, even with wide-separation music, produces no noticeable increase in distortion over mono mode. I have heard AM Stereo stations using full 125% modulation and the sound ranges from acceptable on older AM Stereo radios to near perfect on modern AM Stereo radios. > Unfortunately, very few AMS stations are running sufficient > bandwidth with decent processing, so, except for some separation and > a few kHz of upper midrange, there's no significant improvement. This is mostly a difference of opinion. As a transmitter manufacturer, you are likely to be highly critical of the signals that stations are transmitting, especially those that use your competitor's equipment. That is fine, but most of us don't have that perspective, and when *any* AM Stereo is offered to us with at least acceptable quality, the improvement over plain mono is enough to make it very enjoyable to listen to. I have yet to encounter an AM Stereo station (at least from those transmitting real Stereo separation) that I didn't think was enough of an improvement over mono enough to justify its use. Yes, some are better than others, with a few AM Stereo stations being really, *really* good (i.e. KABL, ex-WWRL, Crawford stations, etc.), and a few being rather marginal. But I'd still take marginal AM Stereo over mono any day. And as far as the listening public is concerned, as long as the "ST" indicator is lighting up and they are getting some "space" between Left and Right, I don't think they really care whether they are listening to 0.5% distortion versus 5.0% distortion, or a frequency response of +/- 0.3 dB versus a response of +/- 3 dB. And this is something that IBOC fails to recognise -- above a certain point, the extra "quality" of digital becomes to be of no real benefit to the consumer. People didn't switch to CDs because records are scratchy and cassettes are hissy; they switched because CDs offer greater convenience and are simply something new and exciting being marketed to them. For example, there is now "Super Audio CD" (SACD), with a claimed large improvement in sound quality -- but nobody cares about it, because it's still the same physical format, and doesn't introduce any new useful features. This is why I think FM IBOC will actually have a harder time being accepted by the listening public than any improvements to AM IBOC, even if it works better than AM IBOC from a technical standpoint. Regular analog FM has already reached a level where there is no real perceived room for improvement. The sound quality is only limited by the audio processing the station is using, and there is enough replication of formats that if a station's signal starts to get weak and choppy, listeners will just hit the Seek button until they come across another station playing the same type of music (which they will still do even with IBOC!). > My job, as I see it, is to make sure that, whatever heppens, I can > keep my customers informed of what they need to make their equipment > as reliable as possible. Whether that is an IBOC transmitter or an > analog with AMS is irrelevant. Both have the potential to sound > good. They decide what to play, I help them keep it on the air. It sounds to me like you are forcing yourself to be more objective than you have to be. A car salesman is allowed to have his favorite models to sell, and a real estate agent is allowed to have his favorite types of homes to sell. If you like AM Stereo and think a particular customer's station would be better off using it than IBOC, what law is there against you telling them this, even if they have their heart (and wallet) set on IBOC? And that isn't like a car salesman telling a buyer to upgrade to a larger model or to get an extra option package, because AM Stereo is actually going to cost the station *less* than IBOC (especially including the *licensing fees* that IBOC will incur on stations using it!). Besides, just like you say, they can always upgrade to IBOC later, since you are making Nautel transmitters compatible for this. Nautel is clearly positioning itself to be in a "win-win" situation here, and that is commendable. But the race is still far from over, so while you're here, we'd always appreciate it if you could help us root for the underdog, even if its opponent has a lot of big bucks behind it. IBOC's promoters are starting to sound a lot like the chump who wrote "DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN", and in this case we're on Truman's side all the way until the last vote is counted. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Jul 02 22:36:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 05:36:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 77462 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 05:36:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 05:36:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11702.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 05:36:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20020703053609.43184.qmail@web11702.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.32.122] by web11702.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Jul 2002 22:36:09 PDT Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 22:36:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: NDXE (shortwave Stereo) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <185.a84a31b.2a53d0ea@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I'm not a fan of Amos & Andy, but Radio Caroline is spectacular. I have to say WBCQ is my favorite station. I've talked to Mr. Weiner twice now and I can tell you he's neither for nor against AM Stereo. He thinks it flopped and hasn't said anything else. He's a good guy though. The only WBCQ I like is on 7.415. The other two XMTRs. just have religious stuff on. Besides, I'm not sure I can even pick the other two up. The other two are 9.335 and 17.495. 73, Jay,N1WVQ WBCQ listener. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Jul 02 22:37:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 05:37:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 6340 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 05:37:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 05:37:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11704.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 05:37:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20020703053716.52695.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.32.122] by web11704.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Jul 2002 22:37:16 PDT Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 22:37:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} 3AK back in stereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio How many stations do you have in stereo now? I have uh...none. 73, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From dav259@csiro.au Tue Jul 02 22:55:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 05:55:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 63699 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 05:55:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 05:55:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 05:55:17 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28194 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 15:55:15 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 15:55:15 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 3AK back in stereo In-Reply-To: <20020703053716.52695.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Tue, 2 Jul 2002, JNR wrote: > How many stations do you have in stereo now? I > have uh...none. 4 in true stereo - Magic 693, 3UZ (Sport 927), 3AK, 3MP 1 stereo pilot only - 3AW 1 that should be (the ABC's) 3LO (turned it off in 1995) That would be ideal ... but 5 others that could be ... 3RN (Radio National), 3CR (Community Radio), 3PNN (Newsradio) , 3RPH (radio for the print handicapped), and SBS-AM (Multiligual). ... and I guess low power 1422 3XY (Radio Hellas) and the new StationX could also be in a perfect world. Hey we're doing nearly as good as Denver ... :) From amfmdx@fastq.com Tue Jul 02 23:05:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 06:05:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 41399 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 06:05:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 06:05:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 06:05:32 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d198-osel-phx.fastq.com [209.63.214.185]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g6365Vn72119 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 23:05:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <023101c22257$4ea48860$24f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: Subject: I have a recording of Leonard Kahn Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 23:00:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla I have a 30 minute recording of Leonard Kahn being interviewed by Fred Vobbe. He talks about PowerSIDE, The Flatterer and AM stereo. He says in his own voice that if a stereo signal is fed to a PowerSIDE transmitter, a stereo signal comes out. This is not a BS thing, it was made some years ago and its a real interview with Leonard Kahn. The guys a smart joker. Kevin This message has been composed of recycled electrons. None of these electrons has been harmed or injured in the creation and transmission of this message but they have been shamelessly exploited for this use. From jeffdeck@aol.com Tue Jul 02 23:18:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 06:18:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 76013 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 06:18:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 06:18:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 06:18:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2002 06:18:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 06:18:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: IBOC and C-QuAM Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1546 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jeffdeck2001" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.199.183 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4430287 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 All, Thanks Jeff Welton for your refreshing perspective on this whole I-BOC versus C-QuAM debate. As a manufacturer, Nautel is not in the position to recommend one AM stereo format against another format. I agree that AM stereo decryption is better than monaural any day of the week, especially with AM music and live sports formats. Speaking of FM RDS, central Ohio does not currently have any FM RDS stations. Of the stations that previously transmitted FM RDS data in central Ohio, none used the scrolling radio text feature. WSNY stated that there was not a demand for any RDS feature, so it was discontinued. I believe that I-BOC may be a factor in these station decisions. I-BOC has a good opportunity for success in the domestic marketplace on the FM band. Speaking of FM pre-emphasis, is it my imagination or have stations reduced or eliminated the 75uS requirement? You may remember Dolby FM decoder experiments, which used 25uS pre-emphasis. I have a 1979 Pioneer SX-780 stereo receiver with the 25/75uS switch on the back panel. As I recall less than two decades ago, when I flipped this switch to the 25uS position, FM sounded quite tinny and strident. Now when I flip this switch, it does not sound as tinny. I can hear to 15kHz, so it is not my ears. Fanfare's KABL air check sounded nice. I did not see significant response in the 8 to 10kHz region; do not know if it was the source material, the tuner, the station, or combination of all the above. Have a happy and safe holiday. 73, Jeff From dav259@csiro.au Tue Jul 02 23:36:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 06:36:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 69700 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 06:35:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 06:35:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 06:35:59 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA28316 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 16:35:57 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 16:35:57 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: The Nautel saga ... continued Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Sincerely Jeff - THANKS! for all the stuff you've posted. It's been very well worded and considered. And I know it's not your job - but perhaps you could just suggest to someone there (or forward this message) that just a mention of C-quam AM Stereo somewhere on your website would be in Nautel's best interests - as a supplier of all things possible to all people. eg. even if you just stuck it somewhere in the history section reproduced below. After all it does mention digital FM exciters ... and IBOC. One would have thought the intro of AMS exciters was or should have been as important as the intro of IBOC DAB transmitters - after all we knew that AMS worked. 2000 - 40 kW solid state FM dual transmitter - 20 kW solid state FM single transmitter 1999 - IBOC DAB compatible AM transmitters 1997 - super efficient 30 kW and 60 kW solid state AM transmitters 1996 - super efficient 12 kW solid state AM transmitter - 20 kW solid state FM dual transmitter 1995 - 100 - 300 kW solid state AM transmitter 1994 - 50 W digital FM exciter - 10 kW solid state FM single transmitter 1993 - 200 kW solid state AM transmitter 1991 - 7 kW solid state FM transmitter 1990 - 100 kW solid state AM transmitter 1985 - 50 kW solid state AM transmitter 1982 - 10 kW solid state AM transmitter 1974 - 2 kW solid state AM transmitter 1970 - first solid state radiobeacon transmitter thanks again for your tolerance and patience ... (take a break!!) Ian From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Jul 02 23:47:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 06:46:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 40925 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 06:46:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 06:46:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 06:46:59 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g636nnNj081682 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 02:49:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D229D08.41130FF0@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 02:43:20 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:WTTM UPdate References: <20020703053609.43184.qmail@web11702.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Hi Guys Monday morning I received a call From the Verzion tech that's doing my install.. we planned to meet today to Finish up My Right channel that was for 12 noon.. But several Hours later He called me and said that the Engineer on the project said there was too much RF on the Line.. and he would have to swap out the present equipment at the transmitter side. with One that had better RF Filtering..,and that They didn't have it in stock.so it was Special ordered.. Mike( the verzion Tech) said He hoped the Piece would be in By Friday. and he will call me when He gets It.. so we can arrange to Meet at the Transmitter sometime Next week. So It seems I wont be Full stereo By July 4th as I had Hoped for... Heck Ive been waiting this Long what's another week.....60 days for the Phone company to install a twin 15Kc stereo line 22 Miles... No wonder it Cost $2000 a line to install.. that just about Covers 1 month pay for 10 Engineers and 2 Installers...figuring it out per Hour at I.B.E.W rates they are still loosing money.. Neal. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jul 02 23:56:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 06:56:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 40002 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 06:56:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 06:56:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 06:56:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2002 06:56:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 06:56:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC and C-QuAM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2851 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.16 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Speaking of FM RDS, central Ohio does not currently have any FM RDS > stations. Of the stations that previously transmitted FM RDS data > in central Ohio, none used the scrolling radio text feature. I have heard a silly rumour that some U.S. cities have actually outlawed use of scrolling text on RDS, or RDS altogether, because people were watching the scrolling text on their car radios too much while driving and causing crashes. > Speaking of FM pre-emphasis, is it my imagination or have stations > reduced or eliminated the 75uS requirement? AFAIK, the 75 uS pre-emphasis is still a requirement, but probably more stations are adjusting their audio processing to favor the 50 uS de-emphasis used by many Asian-made radios (whose manufacturers are too cheap to modify to exact U.S. specs, hence 50 or 100 kHz tuning steps and 50 uS de-emphasis on FM). Thus, the high frequencies are still there; they're just more highly compressed and processed to gain some extra overall loudness. This makes the audio sound dull and less crisp on radios with true 75 uS de-emphasis, but on radios with "improper" 50 uS de-emphasis, that extra bit of treble boost is automatically gained to equal things out. This is actually one point in favor of analog AM and AM Stereo. With good audio processing, the high frequencies will be less compressed than on FM, so the audio will actually sound more crisp and clear than FM (on a good wide-bandwidth receiver), even within the 10 kHz NRSC limit. The 10-15 kHz range on FM is what receives the most compression and processing, and this can become tiring to listen to, to the point where not hearing these frequencies at all (as on AM) is more pleasing to the ear. I have a local AM mono music station using *no* pre-emphasis and very light processing (via an Optimod 9100). On a "regular" AM radio they obviously sound a bit dull, but on a true wide-bandwidth radio like a GE Superadio, they really come to life, with more high-end crispness and definition than you could ever expect from 10 kHz AM audio. (Note that only *AM Stereo* stations are required to use 75 uS NRSC pre-emphasis in the USA. It is merely a "recommendation" for mono stations.) > Fanfare's KABL air check sounded nice. I did not see significant > response in the 8 to 10kHz region; do not know if it was the source > material, the tuner, the station, or combination of all the above. Keep in mind these were early test recordings of the tuner circuit, and are not from an actual Fanfare FTA-100 tuner. The spec sheet for the FTA-100 lists a full frequency response of 10 kHz on AM (in Wide bandwidth mode) and I don't doubt it (well, at least up to 9.5 kHz or so in order to accomodate the 10 kHz "whistle filter" mandated by AMAX specs). Kevin T. (today's resident windbag on the Forum...) From dav259@csiro.au Wed Jul 03 02:20:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 09:20:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 3362 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 09:20:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 09:20:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 09:20:32 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA28813; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 19:20:30 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 19:20:30 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Cc: iaaas list Subject: Re: Thanks! (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Jeff Chatfield - the Big Kahuna at 3AK/3MP - is sometimes a man of few words but he has always responded to any message from me. And I try not to bother him too much and always am positive when saying anything about his two wonderful stations. We are so fortunate that when Southern Cross Broadcasting flogged off its two lower rating stations (as it had to under the two station rule) that Fusion Media couldn't make a go of 3AK, and Goulburne Valley Broadcasters completely messed up 3MP. Both stations couldn't seemingly be in better hands. There should be more radio owners like JC! (Superstar) btw - the "new" building that 3AK has moved in to used to be the Melbourne headquarters of Motorola - perhaps it was kismet. btw2 - the pilot light is still off!! (but who's complaining?) Sir Ian of St. Kilda Beach ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 15:54:13 +1000 From: Jeff Chatfield Reply-To: avation@earthlink.net To: Ian Davidson Cc: Peter Smerdon Subject: Re: Thanks! Sir Thanks for that. Jeff Regards Jeff Chatfield Managing Director Data & Commerce Ltd ******************* Date sent: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:45:39 +1000 (EST) From: Ian Davidson To: Jeff Chatfield - 3AK Copies to: Peter Smerdon Subject: Thanks! > Hi Jeff > > You should move studio locations more often. :) > > The music on 3AK is once again in stereo. > > I'd been led to believe the reason it hasn't been since February was a > faulty audio delay unit but maybe it just needed a bit of rewiring. > > Now it'd be great if the commercials and especially the weather chimes > could also be in stereo - they used to sound awesome in the days of 1503. > > And when 3MP moves in why not call the Swan Street complex "Radio City"? > After all it's just around the corner from "Television City". > > regards > > Ian > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ian Davidson _--_|\ tel (H) 03 9534 8786 > 41 Smith Street / \ tel (W) 03 9545 8717 > St. Kilda Beach Vic 3182 \_.--.*/ > Australia v ian.davidson@csiro.au > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Jul 03 03:43:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 10:43:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 91781 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 10:43:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 10:43:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 10:43:21 -0000 Received: from Chris1 (unverified [208.228.96.20]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 06:42:43 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c2227e$72e5ed50$0d01a8c0@Chris1> To: Subject: convertable Car radio! Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 06:43:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have found a current radio, convertable to am stereo with no hassles. The Aiwa CDC-X217, CDC-X227, CDC-X327, and CDC-X427. The lowest cost one, the X217, also has 9/10khz switching. Of course, you still need to add a LED, but there is an unused terminal on the removeable faceplate, so it can go inside the face. The sound is excellent, has an aux input jack, and pre outs. Best of all, it's CHEEP! my decoder board mounts right on the bottom plate of the CD mech frame- plenty of room. Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jwelton@nautel.com Wed Jul 03 05:44:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 12:44:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 81095 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 12:44:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 12:44:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO relay3.softcomca.com) (168.144.1.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 12:44:24 -0000 Received: from m2w032 ([168.144.108.32]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Wed, 3 Jul 2002 08:44:24 -0400 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Sales tactics, AMS and IBOC (and some rambling) Sender: "jwelton@nautel.com" Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 08:44:24 -0400 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Return-Path: jwelton@nautel.com Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2002 12:44:24.0283 (UTC) FILETIME=[5C3AF2B0:01C2228F] From: "jwelton@nautel.com" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Originating-IP: 24.222.136.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 I knew this would elicit a quick response! Thanks, Kevin, for keeping it s= o well considered and on-topic (I was afraid I was going to have to lay low= for a few days!). Oh, and I'll agree with you here and there in the follo= wing - watch for it! >IBOC requires 15 kHz worth of flat audio response, for a total of 30=20 >kHZ RF bandwidth, in order to work properly. Every non-NRSC-limited=20 >AM station with a directional array that I've heard ... First, non-NRSC limited stations are illegal. The NRSC-1 mask has a rollof= f to 25dB at about 15kHz, so a station cramming the maximum amount of audio= could conceivably get 12-13kHz of audible audio without being illegal, dep= ending on the mask. I assume you've seen it and I don't have a copy nearby= , so I'll leave it at that. However, if you can get 13kHz into a DA, it ta= kes very little more to get the next 2kH - and it doesn't have to be ruler = flat, any more than existing systems are - it has to be usable to the point= that the transmitter will operate into the SWR at the +/- 15kH sidebands. = We can usually make that happen and all of the properly engineered antenna= s I have seen can meet this - even including a nine tower DA for a 50kW tha= t has a pattern like a psychiatrist's inkblot. >One example is 1600 WWRL in New York City.=20=20 >response good to about 13 kHz on a wide-band receiver. I basically=20 >live in the direction of one of their biggest nulls, and I was still=20 >able to get a good, clean, full-response AM Stereo signal from them,=20 Yes, and this is a prime example of a station that will be able to transmit= an IBOC signal that would cover most of their existing 50uV contour in dig= ital mode. They would gain some audio improvement (later I'll agree with y= ou that, in this case, it won't be incredibly significant) and potentially = some added features, assuming the full capability of IBOC is ever exploited= (at the moment I'll confess that the added features - data streaming, SCA,= RDS capability, etc. - are being largely ignored or even restricted). >At least from my listening perspective, switching to mono did=20 >absolutely nothing to improve WWRL's signal, and now in PowerSide=20 I can agree with this. The difference between 100% and 125% modulation is = more perceived than real - the overall difference in signal strength is neg= libible. A customer asked me once how increasing power would affect range.= My best guess at the time was about 1 mi. for every 5kW, in an urban envi= ronment. Increasing mod from 100% to 125% only achieves a minimal increase= in Average power output - even though peak power goes up by nearly 50% - i= t doesn't matter a lot. This comes back to the "loudest on the dial" syndr= ome. Speaking for myself, if I can't hear a station I like, I'll turn it u= p. >I have heard AM Stereo stations using full 125% modulation and the sound >= ranges from acceptable on older AM Stereo radios to near perfect on modern >AM Stereo radios. I was playing devil's advocate there. You had previously made a comment ab= out protecting people from using things in a less than ideal manner, I was = pointing out that this is the norm in almost every station on Earth, not th= at it didn't sound good, just that it is "less than ideal". >and when *any* AM Stereo is offered to us with at least acceptable=20 >quality, the improvement over plain mono is enough to make it very=20 >enjoyable to listen to. >But I'd still take marginal AM Stereo over mono any day. But that's primarily a difference due to the opening of the receiver bandwi= dth when the stereo light comes one. A properly designed receiver, whether= in AMS, mono or IBOC could give you this benefit. That's why it's nice to= see Fanfare in the game. I could potentially get near FM quality with a w= ell-designed DSP based receiver on the existing system. Unfortunately, tha= t's not the way our market decided to go. >I don't think they really care whether they are listening to 0.5% >distort= ion versus 5.0% distortion, or a frequency response of +/- 0.3 dB >versus a= response of +/- 3 dB. I can agree with this - the noise floor in my truck means that 5% distortio= n is pretty much non-detectable. Add two kids and the wife and you could r= un 20% distortion. But at home, where my wife listens mostly, 2% is quite = noticable. In both cases, though, the frequency response and processing ar= e what will cause me to change channels, and IBOC offers a chance to gain i= ncreased frequency response (which, as I've already admitted, a properly de= signed receiver could do just as well, but that's apparently not being cons= idered - and at this point it might be too late, regardless). >And this is something that IBOC fails to recognise -- above a certain=20 >point, the extra "quality" of digital becomes to be of no real benefit=20 >to the consumer.=20=20 Except again, for improved frequency response, which most listeners have ne= ver heard on an AM station. That's why I started on this group originally,= and why I'm still here. I think that guys like you and the rest of the gr= oup who are upgrading and in some cases designing good radios need to get s= ome exposure. That's why I do recommend this group to anybody who asks abo= ut AMS. Too little, too late? Maybe, but as I said previously, I pride my= self on providing the best support I can to my customers, existing and pote= ntial. That means having all the information I can find for various format= s. >This is why I think FM IBOC will actually have a harder time being=20 >accepted by the listening public than any improvements to AM IBOC,=20 >even if it works better than AM IBOC from a technical standpoint.=20=20 On this, we agree 1000%. (I told you to watch for it!) >It sounds to me like you are forcing yourself to be more objective=20 >than you have to be.=20=20 Maybe, but I'm not a salesman (directly, anyway). I like AMS, and I'm not = ashamed to tell customers how good it can sound. But the reality is that A= MS receivers for the general public are not being made, and it looks like I= BOC receivers "may" be. If I knew that LNG powered cars were very likely t= o be legislated, it would not be in my customers' best interests to sell th= em a car that ran on gas, even if that was my favorite model. Whether I se= ll a gas powered car that can be converted or a LNG powered car that can be= retrofitted if the change doesn't happen as forecast is primarily a matter= of semantics - the cost of the change is about the same either way.=20=20 At this point, customers are looking at the forecasts and requesting IBOC c= apable transmitters. A direct result of the IBOC upgrade was the degradati= on of some specs when running AMS at some frequencies - but AMS doesn't aff= ect the station's bottom line, IBOC at least might. I was talking to the C= E for one of the premier AMS stations in the US last month and he told me h= e was disappointed, as he had shut off the stereo for a week a few months a= go, while the mod monitor was in for calibration and didn't receive one cal= l, fax or email - nor was it mentioned here. Where's his incentive to cont= inue the operation in stereo. If his stereo exciter goes down, I suspect i= t will stay down. And yes, we were also discussing what would be involved = to upgrade the transmitter for IBOC. His antenna system will already handl= e it, all he needs is the exciter and the transmitter upgrades. If IBOC ha= ppens, I suspect he'll be one of the first in line. Based on his story, ho= w do I tell him that people are listening, if nobody cares enough to call? = =20 >Nautel is clearly positioning itself to be in a "win-win" situation=20 >here, and that is commendable. But the race is still far from over,=20 >so while you're here, we'd always appreciate it if you could help us=20 >root for the underdog, even if its opponent has a lot of big bucks=20 >behind it.=20=20 Believe it or not, I do root for AMS - although I'd rather see a properly d= esigned receiver hit the marketplace, even if it was mono. However, I can'= t ignore the fact that IBOC may be coming, so I have to make my customers a= ware of that as well. If a new station was coming on line today, I'd tell = them to set up the whole airchain to be IBOC compatible, less the exciter, = so they're ready if it happens. If it doesn't, they are all ready to go wi= th AMS - it just takes a different exciter that will cost them less than th= e IBOC one would have anyway. I can't counsel them to spend a couple of th= ousand on buying an AMS exciter if I'm not sure they'll be able to use it a= fter next year. I guess we agree on most of the technical points, bar a few, but disagree o= n the presentation of the options. As I understand it, you'd rather have m= e selling the customers on AMS, on the possibility that IBOC won't happen, = where I have to ensure that their equipment is IBOC ready, in the event tha= t it might. I'm not sure we will ever be able to agree on that point, but = I do appreciate the candor you've shown, and I promise to keep recommending= anybody who asks about AMS to amstereoradio or Chuck's site (sorry, Chuck,= I don't have your URL memorized yet, but it is bookmarked in my office bro= wser) Again, thanks for a spirited debate, keep the ideas coming! Regards, Jeff Welton Customer Service Dept. Nautel Ltd. Tel: 1-902-823-3900, ext.127 Fax: 1-902-823-3183 jwelton@nautel.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From jwelton@nautel.com Wed Jul 03 05:54:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 12:54:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 53885 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 12:54:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 12:54:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO relay3.softcomca.com) (168.144.1.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 12:54:12 -0000 Received: from m2w084.softcomca.com ([168.144.108.84]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Wed, 3 Jul 2002 08:54:11 -0400 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: {AMSF} The Nautel saga ... continued Sender: "jwelton@nautel.com" Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 08:54:11 -0400 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Return-Path: jwelton@nautel.com Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2002 12:54:11.0783 (UTC) FILETIME=[BA685570:01C22290] From: "jwelton@nautel.com" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Originating-IP: 24.222.136.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 >Sincerely Jeff - THANKS! for all the stuff you've posted. It's been very >well worded and considered. Thank you, Ian, I know it's not easy for you guys (and/or gals) to bite you= r tongues at times, give the controversial nature of the topic. This has b= een one of the most considerate and enlightening debates in which I have en= gaged in a long time - yes, I do learn things from this site, keep up the g= ood work! >And I know it's not your job - but perhaps you could just suggest to >someone there (or forward this message) that just a mention of C-quam AM >Stereo somewhere on your website would be in Nautel's best interests - as >a supplier of all things possible to all people. Actually, if you drill down to the product descriptions for any of our AM t= ransmitters, AMS with the internal exciter is listed in the features for al= l of the low power (1kW to 50kW) rigs. >eg. even if you just stuck it somewhere in the history section reproduced >below. After all it does mention digital FM exciters ... and IBOC. One >would have thought the intro of AMS exciters was or should have been as >important as the intro of IBOC DAB transmitters - after all we knew that >AMS worked. You have a point there. I suspect that they were trying to keep to one lin= ers. The 50kW in 1985 was our first stereo capable transmitter from the fl= oor (earlier models were retrofitted to be stereo capable). Our own AMS ex= citer was first shipped in 1993, so should be added to that line. I will m= ention it, but no guarantees. >(take a break!!) I did take a break - from 2:00 to 6:00 this morning! But it's time to go t= o work now (wife had a Dr's appt this am). I did get to play with the baby= for an hour or so this morning, so it's been a good day, so far! Regards, Jeff Welton Customer Service Dept. Nautel Ltd. Tel: 1-902-823-3900, ext. 127 Fax: 1-902-823-3183 jwelton@nautel.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From jwelton@nautel.com Wed Jul 03 06:00:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 13:00:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 68755 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 13:00:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 13:00:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO relay3.softcomca.com) (168.144.1.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 13:00:00 -0000 Received: from m2w038 ([168.144.108.38]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Wed, 3 Jul 2002 08:59:59 -0400 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: {AMSF} IBOC and C-QuAM Sender: "jwelton@nautel.com" Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 08:59:59 -0400 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Return-Path: jwelton@nautel.com Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2002 12:59:59.0415 (UTC) FILETIME=[899CC470:01C22291] From: "jwelton@nautel.com" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Originating-IP: 24.222.136.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 > Thanks Jeff Welton for your refreshing perspective on this whole >I-BOC versus C-QuAM debate. As a manufacturer, Nautel is not in the >position to recommend one AM stereo format against another format. I >agree that AM stereo decryption is better than monaural any day of=20 >the week, especially with AM music and live sports formats. Thanks, Jeff. As I've been saying, I try to answer questions honestly and = if a customer asks my opinion on IBOC vs. AMS, I will give it to them. Nor= mally, however, I do restrain myself to answering questions and pointing th= e customer in directions that will give them the information they require t= o make a decision for themselves. I agree that AMS _can_ sound better than= mono - but that's always a station issue. These days, the equipment provi= ded is so close in quality that one item or manufacturer over another is al= most always a choice based on personal preference. Hopefully receivers wil= l also reach that plateau someday, whether IBOC, AMS or monaural I don't kn= ow, but better quality receivers are going to be a requirement in order for= there to be any real improvement in any transmission system. Best, Jeff Welton (rapidly taking over the position of "chatty guy" from Kevin!) Customer Service Dept. Nautel Ltd. Tel: 1-902-823-3900, ext. 127 Fax: 1-902-823-3183 jwelton@nautel.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From mychucky@funport.net Wed Jul 03 07:20:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mychucky@funport.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 14:20:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 79593 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 14:20:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 14:20:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.funport.com) (216.199.19.6) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 14:20:32 -0000 Received: from FatMusic2000 ([]) by mail.funport.com (Merak 4.4.3) with SMTP id JFB36580 for ; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 10:18:24 -0400 Message-ID: <005e01c2229c$ef768640$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> To: References: <023101c22257$4ea48860$24f9bed8@kredding430cdt> Subject: Re: {AMSF} I have a recording of Leonard Kahn Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:21:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85836819 X-Yahoo-Profile: mychucky1 Hello Gentleman, I have spoken personally to Mr. Kaun in the past and he talks out of both sides of his mouth and somewhere else. The Man is a crackpot that did all of us a grave disservice. I do believe him when he told me that Powerside does NOT support AM Stereo. Chuck www.stereoam.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 2:00 AM Subject: {AMSF} I have a recording of Leonard Kahn > I have a 30 minute recording of Leonard Kahn being interviewed by Fred > Vobbe. He talks about PowerSIDE, The Flatterer and AM stereo. > > He says in his own voice that if a stereo signal is fed to a PowerSIDE > transmitter, a stereo signal comes out. > > This is not a BS thing, it was made some years ago and its a real interview > with Leonard Kahn. The guys a smart joker. > > Kevin > > This message has been composed of recycled electrons. None of these > electrons has been harmed or injured in the creation and transmission of > this message but they have been shamelessly exploited for this use. > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From narkspud@hotmail.com Wed Jul 03 08:30:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 15:30:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 82102 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 15:30:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 15:30:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.16.132) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 15:30:24 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 08:30:24 -0700 Received: from 67.89.146.146 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 15:30:23 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} convertable Car radio! Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 08:30:23 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2002 15:30:24.0065 (UTC) FILETIME=[8CB91310:01C222A6] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.89.146.146] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud >I have found a current radio, convertable to am stereo with no hassles. >The Aiwa CDC-X217, CDC-X227, CDC-X327, and CDC-X427. >The lowest cost one, the X217, also has 9/10khz switching. >Of course, you still need to add a LED, but there is an unused terminal on >the removeable faceplate, so it can go inside the face. >The sound is excellent, has an aux input jack, and pre outs. >Best of all, it's CHEEP! >my decoder board mounts right on the bottom plate of the CD mech frame- >plenty of room. >Chris > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Veddy interesting!!!! How about the CDC-X527M ans CDC-X927M? narkspud _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Jul 03 08:36:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 15:36:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 53351 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 15:36:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 15:36:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 15:36:48 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn73.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.77]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:36:48 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: UX-1 Example Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:36:50 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <169.ffcd90e.2a53d93c@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Bob! I gotta tell ya....I hadn't heard about the "built-in" smoke before. God knows I'd probably be a rich man myself if in the past I hadn't released so much of that built-in smoke that makes everything work! (still laughing my a$$ off about that!). Checked out that circuit on that web page. Wish I were more "engineeringly inclined" so that I could tell which parts are actually needed to couple it to the power line and which ones are part of the transmitter. I think I'd just go ahead and use the output power of the alfredo lite. Just need the coupling part. Couldn't I just use a few diodes and then connect the output right to the neutral line? Diodes would let stuff go out but shouldn't let voltage come back the other way toward the transmitter right? (uh oh....I'm beginning to smell that built-in smoke again!) Michael [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Jul 03 09:17:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 16:17:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 54371 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 16:17:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 16:17:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r06.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.102) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 16:17:15 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.cc.df256a0 (30962) for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:17:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:17:07 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: UX-1 Example To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 7/3/02 11:37:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, michaelj@vcn.com writes: << Wish I were more "engineeringly inclined" so that I could tell which parts are actually needed to couple it to the power line and which ones are part of the transmitter. I think I'd just go ahead and use the output power of the alfredo lite. Just need the coupling part. Couldn't I just use a few diodes and then connect the output right to the neutral line? Diodes would let stuff go out but shouldn't let voltage come back the other way toward the transmitter right? (uh oh....I'm beginning to smell that built-in smoke again!) Michael >> Well looking at the circuit on http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1635/circuits/xmitter3.html ...L2 is the RF output of the transmitter and is described as being a coil of 21 turns of insulated wire wrapped around an inductor ....the coil being made so it is more of a transformer arrangement. Then the output side of this L2 is connected to the electrical lines via C7 and C8 rated for at least 400v at .01 uF. This by the looks of the diagram,this should provide total isolation from the electrical service but should allow for coupling of RF into the lines without releasing any of that "built in smoke" or causing any shock hazards. If you do this and find that it works....you'll now be faced with possibly a new problem.....RF getting into the power supply and back into audio processors and the like...that is if your running enough RF power....but with proper RF bypassing in the transmitters modulator and other audio processing equipement..you should fair ok. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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Let me impart a little caution and some engineering type hyperbole A diode is no where near the device to isolate this transmitter. A diode is a one way gate. It will not prevent the AC from finding a path to the transmitter it will only let 1/2 of it go the transmitter. Buy lots of marshmallows. either the 120 volts and 15 amps plus + half or the - negative half will polity blow the breaker on that leg and make things quite toasty in the process as it happily finds it's way back to the neutral.. The inductor is NOT a transformer, it is a choke. Simply put this choke has a high impedance (resistance) to 60 cycles and high impedance (resistance) to RF 1mhz which is the middle of the Broadcast band. Leaving the RF with no place to go except the house wiring. This circuit properly designed could do without the caps if the inductor where wound on the proper ferric material. However for the experimenter a capacitor of small value has a high resistance to 60 cycle ac and it's resistance(impedance) goes DOWN as the frequency goes up. Therefore the caps in the circuit will look like an open to the AC and a low resistance to the RF so the Radio Frequencies will happily find themselves appearing on the house wiring for blocks thanks to the caps and any AC will not get much play back to the transmitter maybe a volt or two which will be choked by the inductors. Electronics 101 provided by Chuck at www.stereoam.com ----- Original Message ----- From: KC4QLP@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 12:17 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: UX-1 Example In a message dated 7/3/02 11:37:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, michaelj@vcn.com writes: << Wish I were more "engineeringly inclined" so that I could tell which parts are actually needed to couple it to the power line and which ones are part of the transmitter. I think I'd just go ahead and use the output power of the alfredo lite. Just need the coupling part. Couldn't I just use a few diodes and then connect the output right to the neutral line? Diodes would let stuff go out but shouldn't let voltage come back the other way toward the transmitter right? (uh oh....I'm beginning to smell that built-in smoke again!) Michael >> Well looking at the circuit on http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1635/circuits/xmitter3.html ...L2 is the RF output of the transmitter and is described as being a coil of 21 turns of insulated wire wrapped around an inductor ....the coil being made so it is more of a transformer arrangement. Then the output side of this L2 is connected to the electrical lines via C7 and C8 rated for at least 400v at .01 uF. This by the looks of the diagram,this should provide total isolation from the electrical service but should allow for coupling of RF into the lines without releasing any of that "built in smoke" or causing any shock hazards. If you do this and find that it works....you'll now be faced with possibly a new problem.....RF getting into the power supply and back into audio processors and the like...that is if your running enough RF power....but with proper RF bypassing in the transmitters modulator and other audio processing equipement..you should fair ok. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Jul 03 10:06:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 17:06:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 26259 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 17:06:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 17:06:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 17:06:26 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn73.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.77]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:06:25 -0600 To: Subject: Trip Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:06:27 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Hello all Made it back safe and sound from Anaconda Montana. Thought I'd report all of my AMS findings here to the list. Pleasently surprised to find in the Pocatello / Blackfoot / Idaho Falls market in Southeast Idaho, there are actually 3 AM STEREO Stations. Our list on amstereoradio.com only shows 2. 980 KUPI in Idaho Falls is indeed still in stereo. And they DO promote it! "The best music ever made in AM STEREO on Kupi 98 Gold!". Meanwhile Pocatello has KOUU. Although they pronounce it "K-O-Double-U" (make you think KOW). Their liners? "The best country around in AM STEREO. The Country Cow...K-O-Double-U." Full stereo, great separation!. So 1290 KOUU Pocatello...definitely still full stereo. Amazing that those two are in the same market and actually PROMOTE AM Stereo. Will have to drop those guys a line about it! Meanwhile, another find while I was there. KRTK-Chubbuck. Chubbuck is a suburb of Pocatello. They're a Christian station. And they didn't promote their AMS but they are! Loud and clear and beautiful separation! So for you Kevin T or Matt...whichever of you maintains the list.... please add KRTK 1490 Chubbuck Idaho to the list! The only other interesting finding was that I did confirm an offender. Don't know that I'd want them on the offenders list because they WERE AMS at one time and apparantly DID promote it....KMTX in Helena, Montana. If you go to their website www.kmtxradio.com you'll see the logo "AM STEREO KMTX 950 Unforgettable!". So apparantly it hasn't been that long and I'll drop them a line and see why. When I was talking to the engineer up in Anaconda, he said he thinks it been like 15 years or so. I told him no, that I don't think they'd have it in their logo and everything if it had been that long. He said the engineer's name is Scott. So I'll check in to that. Speaking of talking to that engineer...his name is Ron Huckaby and he lives in Butte and does a lot of engineering all over Western Montana. He and I started talking about the evil empire. He apparantly does some work for them up in Missoula. We started talking about AM STEREO and ClearChannel. I think all of you will find this interesting and it may or may not be the first mention of it on the list. He said that when Randy Michaels first came into power at the evil empire, he vowed that ClearChannel stations would ALWAYS be the ABSOLUTE loudest stations on the dial. Ron told me that a year or two ago, Michaels came through Missoula on vacation and gave him a call. He said Michaels told him to get his act together and get KLCY-AM (one of their stations in Missoula) LOUD! It was too soft and there were other AM's on the dial that were louder. So he'd better do whatever he had to do to get the modulation up on KLCY! So Michaels is into LOUDNESS. Therefore his theory along with that of many MANY engineers? With AM STEREO you can't be as loud. And THAT my friends (according to Ron) is why Clear Channel doesn't like AM STEREO. He said it has NOTHING to do with Clear Channel being buddies with Leonard Kahn or being pissed when the FCC approved C-Quam. It's a LOUDNESS issue. Now then, all of us know that if done right, you CAN be loud and be AM STEREO. This would be my guess of what is going on in San Francisco and Milwaukee. I think that Randy Michaels probably could care less about stereo or not, as long as it's still the LOUDEST station on the dial. Interesting, huh? As Paul Harvey would say "Now you know.....................The REST.................of the story." MJR in WYO From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Jul 03 10:09:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 17:09:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 34923 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 17:09:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 17:09:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 17:09:15 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn73.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.77]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:09:14 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: UX-1 Example Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:09:12 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <001401c222b2$bc921ad0$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LMAO!! I'll have some marshmallows on hand just in case Chuck! (he he he) MJR -----Original Message----- From: mychucky@funport.net [mailto:mychucky@funport.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 10:58 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: UX-1 Example Come on now......some of this is starting to scare me. Let me impart a little caution and some engineering type hyperbole A diode is no where near the device to isolate this transmitter. A diode is a one way gate. It will not prevent the AC from finding a path to the transmitter it will only let 1/2 of it go the transmitter. Buy lots of marshmallows. either the 120 volts and 15 amps plus + half or the - negative half will polity blow the breaker on that leg and make things quite toasty in the process as it happily finds it's way back to the neutral.. The inductor is NOT a transformer, it is a choke. Simply put this choke has a high impedance (resistance) to 60 cycles and high impedance (resistance) to RF 1mhz which is the middle of the Broadcast band. Leaving the RF with no place to go except the house wiring. This circuit properly designed could do without the caps if the inductor where wound on the proper ferric material. However for the experimenter a capacitor of small value has a high resistance to 60 cycle ac and it's resistance(impedance) goes DOWN as the frequency goes up. Therefore the caps in the circuit will look like an open to the AC and a low resistance to the RF so the Radio Frequencies will happily find themselves appearing on the house wiring for blocks thanks to the caps and any AC will not get much play back to the transmitter maybe a volt or two which will be choked by the inductors. Electronics 101 provided by Chuck at www.stereoam.com ----- Original Message ----- From: KC4QLP@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 12:17 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: UX-1 Example In a message dated 7/3/02 11:37:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, michaelj@vcn.com writes: << Wish I were more "engineeringly inclined" so that I could tell which parts are actually needed to couple it to the power line and which ones are part of the transmitter. I think I'd just go ahead and use the output power of the alfredo lite. Just need the coupling part. Couldn't I just use a few diodes and then connect the output right to the neutral line? Diodes would let stuff go out but shouldn't let voltage come back the other way toward the transmitter right? (uh oh....I'm beginning to smell that built-in smoke again!) Michael >> Well looking at the circuit on http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1635/circuits/xmitter3.html ...L2 is the RF output of the transmitter and is described as being a coil of 21 turns of insulated wire wrapped around an inductor ....the coil being made so it is more of a transformer arrangement. Then the output side of this L2 is connected to the electrical lines via C7 and C8 rated for at least 400v at .01 uF. This by the looks of the diagram,this should provide total isolation from the electrical service but should allow for coupling of RF into the lines without releasing any of that "built in smoke" or causing any shock hazards. If you do this and find that it works....you'll now be faced with possibly a new problem.....RF getting into the power supply and back into audio processors and the like...that is if your running enough RF power....but with proper RF bypassing in the transmitters modulator and other audio processing equipement..you should fair ok. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mychucky@funport.net Wed Jul 03 10:10:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mychucky@funport.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 17:10:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 85279 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 17:10:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 17:10:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.funport.com) (216.199.19.6) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 17:10:10 -0000 Received: from FatMusic2000 ([]) by mail.funport.com (Merak 4.4.3) with SMTP id JFB36580 for ; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 13:08:02 -0400 Message-ID: <002c01c222b4$a1f30070$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> To: References: <001401c222b2$bc921ad0$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: UX-1 Example Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:11:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85836819 X-Yahoo-Profile: mychucky1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit After reading my post I left out the question on the neutral. The neutral goes to Earth ground in your house and dozens of places (drastically reducing your range if you use that.) that is why the hot is the place to apply the RF. Of course the more TV's Toasters Dryers and such you turn on in the house will have a draining effect too unless you put RF Chokes on them to keep your precious RF out of them leaving it no choice but to go the neighbors house.. this applies to the neighbors house that may try to listen to your signal when they turn on their toaster you could be history until it pops up.. The big Fat Transformer on the pole is your friend and your enemy in this endeavor as it has capacitance to ground to shunt your RF to earth, but can couple RF into the 12,000 volt primary that can carry your signal all the way to the next substation.. Have Fun Chuck www.stereoam.com ----- Original Message ----- From: mychucky@funport.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 12:57 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: UX-1 Example Come on now......some of this is starting to scare me. Let me impart a little caution and some engineering type hyperbole A diode is no where near the device to isolate this transmitter. A diode is a one way gate. It will not prevent the AC from finding a path to the transmitter it will only let 1/2 of it go the transmitter. Buy lots of marshmallows. either the 120 volts and 15 amps plus + half or the - negative half will polity blow the breaker on that leg and make things quite toasty in the process as it happily finds it's way back to the neutral.. The inductor is NOT a transformer, it is a choke. Simply put this choke has a high impedance (resistance) to 60 cycles and high impedance (resistance) to RF 1mhz which is the middle of the Broadcast band. Leaving the RF with no place to go except the house wiring. This circuit properly designed could do without the caps if the inductor where wound on the proper ferric material. However for the experimenter a capacitor of small value has a high resistance to 60 cycle ac and it's resistance(impedance) goes DOWN as the frequency goes up. Therefore the caps in the circuit will look like an open to the AC and a low resistance to the RF so the Radio Frequencies will happily find themselves appearing on the house wiring for blocks thanks to the caps and any AC will not get much play back to the transmitter maybe a volt or two which will be choked by the inductors. Electronics 101 provided by Chuck at www.stereoam.com ----- Original Message ----- From: KC4QLP@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 12:17 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: UX-1 Example In a message dated 7/3/02 11:37:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, michaelj@vcn.com writes: << Wish I were more "engineeringly inclined" so that I could tell which parts are actually needed to couple it to the power line and which ones are part of the transmitter. I think I'd just go ahead and use the output power of the alfredo lite. Just need the coupling part. Couldn't I just use a few diodes and then connect the output right to the neutral line? Diodes would let stuff go out but shouldn't let voltage come back the other way toward the transmitter right? (uh oh....I'm beginning to smell that built-in smoke again!) Michael >> Well looking at the circuit on http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1635/circuits/xmitter3.html ...L2 is the RF output of the transmitter and is described as being a coil of 21 turns of insulated wire wrapped around an inductor ....the coil being made so it is more of a transformer arrangement. Then the output side of this L2 is connected to the electrical lines via C7 and C8 rated for at least 400v at .01 uF. This by the looks of the diagram,this should provide total isolation from the electrical service but should allow for coupling of RF into the lines without releasing any of that "built in smoke" or causing any shock hazards. If you do this and find that it works....you'll now be faced with possibly a new problem.....RF getting into the power supply and back into audio processors and the like...that is if your running enough RF power....but with proper RF bypassing in the transmitters modulator and other audio processing equipement..you should fair ok. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Jul 03 11:21:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 18:21:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 97566 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 18:21:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 18:21:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14204.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.146) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 18:21:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20020703182106.87323.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 11:21:06 PDT Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:21:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: As Advertised - no complaints, just FYI To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio RadioWorld Date posted: 2002-07-03 Nautel Is Ready for AM IBOC Nautel Ltd. has introduced the AM IBOC- and DRM-ready NDd and XLd series of solid-state AM transmitters. Also new is the NE IBOC exciter, which can be retrofitted in the field by a station engineer with the installation of an upgrade kit for ND and XL series AM transmitters. The company was recognized with a Radio World "Cool Stuff" Award for Technical Advancement of IBOC DAB at the recent NAB convention. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Jul 03 13:15:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 20:15:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 22469 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 20:15:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 20:15:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 20:15:42 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn73.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.77]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:15:42 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: (Borderline OT) Ponderous Tome about Stereo Oldies Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:15:39 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pardon me guys.....going backwards through my email since I've been back. Found several instances of this same rare stereo mix of Good Vibrations available on WinMX. This is the program I have used for such a long time since Napster went down. Granted, I DON'T like the newer WinMX that (version 3.2) that's out now. I downgraded back down to the 2.6 version I've been using forever. It's great. You can actually SEE the time on how long the song is, the BIT RATE (VERY important! I do NOT want some 64KB file...I want 128), the user, how many are available, what type of connection they are on....etc. NICE program and still going. In any case, this is what I've used for downloading most of my 1200 songs I have. And in all of the oldies I have, I DO pay particular attention to getting rare stereo versions of songs that for the most part I've heard all my life in MONO versions. For instance: 96 Tears by ? and the Mysterians...... Suspician by Terry Stafford and so on. And I do take care to look for something with TRUE separation, and not just reverb or "simulated stereo" by putting one channel delayed by a few microseconds from the other. TRUE stereo. I've got the TRUE stereo version of Satisfaction by the Rolling Stones. This I understand was never done over here and is rare because it was mixed in Germany or something like that. That's my 2 cents worth. I know there's plenty of folks I run into (like my old boss from the radio station) that says "well STEREO is what ruined oldies. When they were first played on AM radio, they were ALL mono. That's how they're all SUPPOSED to sound." This is course is one of his arguments every time I've asked him about AM STEREO. :) My words eye view. Ummm.....what was the question? OH...and BRAVO on the theory on "Year Of The Cat". I'd have to agree with ya on that one! I can't think of any other song that's single-channel instance for longer that that one! MJR in WYO -----Original Message----- From: kevtronics [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 12:36 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: (Borderline OT) Ponderous Tome about Stereo Oldies Okay, I knew this would come in handy some day... here is a clip from the first 45 seconds or so of the true STEREO version of "Good Vibrations".... I don't know when and by whom this mix was made, but it appears to be faithful to the original recording while providing true Stereo separation between the left and right channels: http://rvcc2.raritanval.edu/ktek9053/good_vib.mp3 The complete version of this song was available on www.AudioGalaxy.com, until they got shut down a few weeks ago, for the same reason why Napster was shut down. Not that I condone copyright violations, but sometimes the internet is the ONLY place to reasonably obtain a particular recording, especially those that record companies think that no Americans would like, and thus are not officially offered here. Hmph.... > Can't speak for Whiter Shade of Pale, except that I've never heard a > true stereo of it. And the fake stereo is horrid, no doubt about > it. One thing that I *did* get from AudioGalaxy is the full Stereo version of W.S.O.P., which makes for interesting listening after hearing the fake-stereo version so often on the radio. p.s. I am searching for the U.S. Top 40 song with the longest intentional instance of single-channel audio. So far I have come up with Al Stewart's "Year Of The Cat" (a 1976 Top 10 hit), with a 35-second piano introduction entirely in the left channel. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Jul 03 13:41:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 20:41:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 69197 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 20:41:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 20:41:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 20:41:24 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.67]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 16:40:47 -0400 Message-ID: <001c01c222d2$0a966460$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: (Borderline OT) Ponderous Tome about Stereo Oldies Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 16:41:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 The best stuff I ever heard was the stereo "Dion & the Belmonts" stuff recorded on Reel to Reel 4 track at Bell labs in NYC in 1958. Somehow,it made it to a now extinct CD, but it is incredible- I use it for demo-ing transmitters. (oh- Michael- TRIM the old stuff off your replies!- that last one was like reading War & Peace!... :-) CC ----- Original Message ----- From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Jul 03 13:44:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 20:44:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 5764 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 20:44:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 20:44:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 20:44:12 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn73.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.77]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:44:11 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Reregulation and not elimination Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:44:12 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <00cc01c22121$f20b9d40$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Had to throw in my 2 cents worth here.....I still have MY Aiwa portable that I bought from you (Chuck) about 2 or 3 years ago. And I STILL LOVE IT and would NOT give it up for the world. If you remember my email to you when I bought it, I said "It has been nothing but a pipe dream of mine to EVER have an am stereo radio that can actually RECORD!" and you told me "Well Michael give me a few weeks and that dream will come true!" And it did. Without Chuck's web site I doubt the I EVER would have gotten a little gem like this. True, the bandwidth could be wider as I'm sure many of you have seen just in the last little while downloading my demos that I posted. But it's still stereo and still not bad! And it RECORDS. I just grab it wherever I'm going and have tapes available and I can get all the AMS airchecks I want. MJR -----Original Message----- From: mychucky@funport.net [mailto:mychucky@funport.net] Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 11:09 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Reregulation and not elimination But I like to think that I am doing a service and backing up what I say with action. Anyway don't worry about the pricey web site stuff..........if you have one or two that's enough to listen to right. I have one Yamaha tuner and The Aiwa Portable in my collection. and that's enough. Actually my Yamaha is broke cause I had to rob a part from it to repair a customers tuner. he claims it quit... I know lightning damage when I see it.......... So there is a little information from the trenches. Everyone keep up the fight. Chuck www.stereoam.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Jul 03 13:45:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 20:45:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 7838 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 20:45:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 20:45:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 20:45:30 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn73.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.77]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:45:30 -0600 To: Subject: Scissors Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:45:32 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <001c01c222d2$0a966460$0101a8c0@pavilion> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ooops! Sorry bout that. As I said...I'm still catching up on 5 days worth of email...some 200 messages or so. Forget to trim them sometimes! MJR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From narkspud@hotmail.com Wed Jul 03 13:50:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 20:50:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 51701 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 20:50:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 20:50:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.19) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 20:50:14 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:50:14 -0700 Received: from 67.89.146.146 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 20:50:13 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: (Borderline OT) Ponderous Thread about Stereo Oldies Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 13:50:13 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2002 20:50:14.0082 (UTC) FILETIME=[3ADD4A20:01C222D3] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.89.146.146] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud >Found several instances of this same rare stereo mix of Good Vibrations Sorry, no cigar. In fact, it's a case in point. Listen closer. The backing track is in fake stereo. . .a newer digital version of the old echo trick. For the first several seconds, the right channel is delayed, then it switches round to the left around the second tambourine hit (a common trick on these things to make people say--hey, listen! separation!). The fact that some of the vocals are in true stereo doesn't indicate a "rare mix," only that someone snuck into the Capitol tape library after hours and did some poking around wth the software on a 3-or-4 track vocal session tape (on which the music was fully mixed down onto one channel). >96 Tears by ? and the Mysterians...... Never heard this one in stereo. In fact, it isn't even available on CD (legally) in mono! But that's another story. >Suspician by Terry Stafford I THINK I've heard that one in stereo. >I've got the TRUE stereo version of Satisfaction by the Rolling >Stones. That one I can definitely vouch for. Not one of my fave stereo mixes, but it doesn't suck. >I know there's plenty of folks I run into (like my >old boss from the radio station) that says "well STEREO is what ruined >oldies. When they were first played on AM radio, they were ALL mono. >That's how they're all SUPPOSED to sound." This is course is one of his >arguments every time I've asked him about AM STEREO. :) Which is just as bad a generalization as "stereo-or-die!!" There are plenty of oldies that WERE recorded with stereo in mind, and they sound fantastic. (Also some happy accidents, such as "Diamonds and Pearls" by the Paradons, recorded by the record company owner in his living room. He had a 2-track reel to reel and just happened to catch a glorious stereo field with the group crowded around the 2 mikes.) >OH...and BRAVO on the theory on "Year Of The Cat". I'd have to agree with >ya on that one! I can't think of any other song that's single-channel >instance for longer that that one! The only other instance of overlong single channelism I know of is the original stereo of--get this--"Juanita Banana" by the Peels. The right channel is totally dead during the entire narration until Juanita starts singing--approximately 30 or 40 seconds. This was "corrected" on a recent Varese Sarabande novelty record compilation, unfortunately they did not correct the other deficiency, which is the stereo version has a different lead vocal (by a different guy!) for the last minute or so of the record. But that wasn't quite top-40. "Bang Bang My Baby Shot Me Down" has a long intro that's all on the right until Cher starts singing. . .another case of vocals-on-one-side, instruments-on-the-other. narkspud _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Jul 03 13:56:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 20:56:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 68715 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 20:56:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 20:56:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 20:56:02 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn73.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.77]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:56:02 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} (Borderline OT) Ponderous Thread about Stereo Oldies Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:56:04 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Okay...One more. Then I promise I'll shut up :) Has there ever been or have you EVER found a stereo version of "Tequila" by the Champs? I looked and looked and looked one day only to no avail. Seemed to come up with SOMETHING but apparantly it was a remake....not the original. MJR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From narkspud@hotmail.com Wed Jul 03 13:58:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 20:58:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 62914 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 20:58:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 20:58:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.5) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 20:58:33 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:58:33 -0700 Received: from 67.89.146.146 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 20:58:33 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: (Borderline OT) Ponderous Tome about Stereo Oldies Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 13:58:33 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2002 20:58:33.0332 (UTC) FILETIME=[6470CB40:01C222D4] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.89.146.146] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud >The best stuff I ever heard was the stereo "Dion & the Belmonts" stuff >recorded on Reel to Reel 4 track at Bell labs in NYC in 1958. >Somehow,it made it to a now extinct CD, but it is incredible- I use it for >demo-ing transmitters. Still around as an import. The original remastered set was on Ace in the UK, reissued on Continental Communications (now extinct) in the US. I second Chris's opinion, one of the best remastering jobs by anybody of anything. And prior to this, they were using scratchy 45 dubs in fake stereo! narkspud _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From narkspud@hotmail.com Wed Jul 03 14:09:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 21:09:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 77641 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 21:09:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 21:09:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.183) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 21:09:21 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:09:21 -0700 Received: from 67.89.146.146 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 21:09:21 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: (Now definitely OT) Ponderous Thread about Stereo Oldies Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 14:09:21 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2002 21:09:21.0748 (UTC) FILETIME=[E6ED3940:01C222D5] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.89.146.146] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud >Has there ever been or have you EVER found a stereo version of "Tequila" by >the Champs? >I looked and looked and looked one day only to no avail. Seemed to come up >with SOMETHING but apparantly it was a remake....not the original. Nope, and don't hold your breath. That was originally a one-shot single (Tequila was the B-side, in fact, and marked as such on the first pressing) on Gene Autry's small Challenge label. Most likely live-in-studio full-track mono. I've got that remake you refer to. . .I think it's actually the original recording with new stereo instruments dubbed over top of it. On the Time Life Rock & Roll Era set. . .one of the few tracks they totally fubar'd (though many others could've been a lot better). narkspud (considering a 4th of July project of compiling a Nice Stereo Oldies CD) _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From shelswartz@yahoo.com Wed Jul 03 14:46:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: shelswartz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 21:46:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 51357 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 21:46:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 21:46:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14902.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.225.54) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 21:46:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20020703214646.21344.qmail@web14902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.86.165.212] by web14902.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 14:46:46 PDT Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:46:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: {AMSF} (Borderline OT) Ponderous Thread about Stereo Oldies To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Shel Swartz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91652391 X-Yahoo-Profile: shelswartz I have a stereo version.. stereo versions can be made with software. And they sound terrific. I use CoolEdit Pro to do that. I also have a DJ version of a 45 RPM record that is in stereo.... just in those days, stations were mono. Having said that, stereo or mono, it kills me to hear a 20 year old jock working at an oldies station. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Jul 03 15:11:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 22:11:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 48656 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 22:11:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 22:11:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 22:11:57 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn73.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.77]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 16:11:56 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} (Borderline OT) Ponderous Thread about Stereo Oldies Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 16:11:59 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20020703214646.21344.qmail@web14902.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WOW Shel! Now THAT would be a gem to have! :) MJR -----Original Message----- From: Shel Swartz [mailto:shelswartz@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 3:47 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: {AMSF} (Borderline OT) Ponderous Thread about Stereo Oldies I have a stereo version.. stereo versions can be made with software. And they sound terrific. I use CoolEdit Pro to do that. I also have a DJ version of a 45 RPM record that is in stereo.... just in those days, stations were mono. Having said that, stereo or mono, it kills me to hear a 20 year old jock working at an oldies station. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Jul 03 16:36:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 23:36:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 88758 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 23:36:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 23:36:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 23:36:29 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn73.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.77]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:36:28 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Sirius / XM / IBOC Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:36:26 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <009201c22117$9992e2e0$5cf9bed8@kredding430cdt> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One thing the station manager in Anaconda pointed out to me this weekend. He DOES think XM and Sirius will take off. The way he put it to me "Think about it Mike. When cable TV first came out I thought 'this is stupid! Are people really gonna PAY to watch TV?' and look where we are now." Hmmmmmmm.......I guess he has a point. Although I'm the same way. There's no way I'D pay to listen to the radio. Then again.....people eventually paid for cable TV because you could get DIFFERENT things and MORE things than you could get for free and it was worth the price. I really think THIS is the thing that these satellite radio guys are going for. 100+ channels of commercial-free digital radio. All without static. MUCH bigger selection than local radio and no shock jocks and no dorky teeny-bopper jocks...hell...NO JOCKS. They're going for EXACTLY the same philosophy that happened when cable first hit the market. Makes a little sense, doesn't it? Here's what I see happening. Cable TV hits the markets. First thing.....your LOCAL channels are included. That way the locals aren't pissed about being cut out of the loop. Here we are in the age of direcTV and Dish Network. Took off a little bit for a while. But then again, I INSTALLED these things for a while. What was people's BIGGEST gripe??? "Well that's fine but then how do I get my local stations??". Therefore, what is DirecTV and Dish doing now? Including the local channels on their services. I truly beleive that it could take off even bigger in the direction of LOCAL FM's and AM's getting their signals up to the bird and then you can listen to them in DIGITAL STEREO with no static and stuff through your XM satellite radio. Not only THAT, but you're in Phoenix and want to listen to New York radio stations....YOU GOT IT! Oh my God, now the RIAA is REALLY gonna throw a $#!+ fit!!!!! It's gonna be "streaming radio stations" and the big debate about royalties all over again. DOH!! Where the hell does it end???? Anyways....think about it guys. You KNOW this could happen! IBOC on the other hand.....nah. I have my doubts. Especially for AM. If it ain't gonna work all the time, then I can't see a little local station like I have here spending HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS to upgrade. At least not until damn near EVERY car radio and EVERY walkman and EVERY home stereo has IBOC capability. In the late 60s/early 70s....NO radio station wanted an FM. No jocks wanted to work the FM. Why? Because there were no (or very few) FM radios out there. (Gee kinda sounds like AM Stereo theory here). Hence, when all of a sudden there were TONS and TONS of FM radios out there and it didn't cost the consumer THAT much more, more people started listening. Then just about all car radios had FM. THEN at that point studies started showing that people were listening to FM radio and liking it. Hence....mr station manger says "boy we GOTTA get an FM!" and the rest is history. How's THAT for some ranting. Think about it. History repeats itself. Although I CAN see IBOC repeating the AM STEREO history. Not enough receivers, not enough people wanting it, too damn expensive for stations to do. KaPUTT!! MJR n (put THAT in your pipe and smoke it!) WYO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From penry@nortelnetworks.com Wed Jul 03 16:56:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: penry@nortelnetworks.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 23:56:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 55179 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 23:56:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 23:56:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO zrc2s0jx.nortelnetworks.com) (47.103.122.112) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 23:56:17 -0000 Received: from zrc2c011.us.nortel.com (zrc2c011.us.nortel.com [47.103.120.51]) by zrc2s0jx.nortelnetworks.com (Switch-2.2.0/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id g63NuUU03097 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 18:56:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: by zrc2c011.us.nortel.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 18:56:16 -0500 Message-ID: <9596134A623ED511B7790002A5607974034F4131@zrc2c010.us.nortel.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: {AMSF} Sirius / XM / IBOC Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 18:56:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) From: "Charles Penry" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=376233 X-Yahoo-Profile: wa5vhu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am starting to see XM or Sirius satellite radio antennas on many of the Big Rig trucks out on the interstate highways. It's a natural for anyone that travels by road very far - you never go out of range of all the buttons (stations) on your radio! Think the truckers care about or can even hear the subtle differences in the high frequencies and other digital artifacts while going down the highway at 80 Mph? I asked one of the truckers about it and he said it was one of the best things he ever put in his truck and he wouldn't take anything for it. Charles [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From shelswartz@yahoo.com Wed Jul 03 17:09:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: shelswartz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 4 Jul 2002 00:09:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 80443 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2002 00:09:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2002 00:09:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14912.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.225.248) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2002 00:09:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20020704000903.88260.qmail@web14912.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.86.165.212] by web14912.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 17:09:03 PDT Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:09:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Tequila (OT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000b01c22160$39e6cfc0$d3a9fea9@me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Shel Swartz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91652391 X-Yahoo-Profile: shelswartz Whomever wants to hear Tequila by the Champs (1958) in digital stereo, go here and enjoy the streaming mp3! wrko.org/_music/tequila.m3u Courtesy WRKO/The BIG 68 Remembered! http://wrko.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From shelswartz@yahoo.com Wed Jul 03 17:11:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: shelswartz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 4 Jul 2002 00:11:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 42884 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2002 00:11:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2002 00:11:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14907.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.225.59) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2002 00:11:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20020704001154.85415.qmail@web14907.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.86.165.212] by web14907.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 17:11:54 PDT Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:11:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Tequila (OT) <> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20020704000903.88260.qmail@web14912.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Shel Swartz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91652391 X-Yahoo-Profile: shelswartz Whomever wants to hear Tequila by the Champs (1958)in digital stereo, go here and enjoy the streaming mp3! http://wrko.org/_music/tequila.m3u Courtesy WRKO/The BIG 68 Remembered! http://wrko.org That'll work! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From fanfare@globility.com Wed Jul 03 17:35:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 4 Jul 2002 00:35:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 25505 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2002 00:35:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2002 00:35:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2002 00:35:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2002 00:35:17 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 00:35:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sirius / XM / IBOC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2320 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amfmguy" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.235.183 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > One thing the station manager in Anaconda pointed out to me this weekend. > He DOES think XM and Sirius will take off. The way he put it to me "Think > about it Mike. When cable TV first came out I thought 'this is stupid! Are > people really gonna PAY to watch TV?' and look where we are now." > Hmmmmmmm.......I guess he has a point. Although I'm the same way. I agree, your argument is quite compelling, Michael. However, cable's eventual success came about by providing people what they wanted. Local programming first; specialty programming second and movies third. And I'm sure there are a lot of viewers out there who stop short of the movies. I'm sure truckers will love the satellite system for a while. But, music isn't everything. Sometimes you want to hear someone talk. Then the need for local programming starts, or the race to get Dr. Laura, Rush Limbaugh and other talking heads on a channel(a somewhat rhetorical pediction). I know, XM is experimenting with terrestrial repeaters and, who knows uplinks may eventually be established for certain, large, local stations. I heard CC is also invested in XM which means that, in order to increase their lot, wouldn't they be bidding for a channel on the XM or Sirius system to obtain national status? In any event, radio will be hedging its bet somehow by climbing aboard someone's bird. IBOC, IMHO, is offered as the competition, if you will, to the XM/Sirius threat. Unfortunately, coverage for IBOC will not change the station's footprint, will it? The fact that IBOC can't get as far as analog AM has to do more with reception than it has to do with transmision. In a sense, that makes a case for XM and Sirius, but what about the station owners? Where are they in this equation? If they IBOC-olate, they get digital sound, but limited carry. If XM and Sirius get permission to carry some local fare, that could lay waste to the rest of the stations in the area, unless they have some sort of fallback position .... which could be a more sensitive tuner. Anyhoo, one thing that might come out of all of this is a renewal of radio as it was eons ago ... a vibrant, happy medium, devoid of pigs, shock jocks and darkened control rooms. MS From dav259@csiro.au Wed Jul 03 17:47:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 4 Jul 2002 00:47:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 73870 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2002 00:47:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2002 00:47:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2002 00:47:39 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01027 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 10:47:33 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 10:47:33 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: (Borderline OT) Ponderous Tome about Stereo Oldies In-Reply-To: <001c01c222d2$0a966460$0101a8c0@pavilion> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, Christopher Cuff wrote: > The best stuff I ever heard was the stereo "Dion & the Belmonts" stuff > recorded on Reel to Reel 4 track at Bell labs in NYC in 1958. I don't think you can beat some of Dean Martin's stuff (In the Misty Moonlight, etc) where the orchestra totally comes out of the right channel and the chorus out of the left. From shelswartz@yahoo.com Wed Jul 03 17:55:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: shelswartz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 4 Jul 2002 00:55:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 21309 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2002 00:55:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2002 00:55:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14906.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.225.58) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2002 00:55:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20020704005503.75807.qmail@web14906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.86.165.212] by web14906.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 17:55:03 PDT Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:55:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sirius / XM / IBOC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Shel Swartz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91652391 X-Yahoo-Profile: shelswartz XM is offering talk shows... as well as feeds from cable TV networks such as Fox News Channel and CNN, which I would enjoy listening to. I agree that music isn't everything! The old automated FM stations that were wall-to-wall music didn't make it because, despite that the focal groups say that they want less talk and more music, they also want the intimacy of the fantasy of someone who is talking to them as well. I know I do, and I couldn't enjoy listening to a Radio jukebox, devoid of talk! As far as satellite radio goes, remember: Radio was supposed to be the killer of the newspapers; TV was supposed to kill off radio, and now some of us are saying satellite radio will kill off radio. I say all of the above have their places, and will complement each other, just as always. I hope those satellite networks keep the shock jocks off the air, as well as the giggling girls during the so-called "Morning Zoos." I remember when it took ONE air personality to be #1 in AM Drive.. now they often need to do the same thing with three or more! But if I were a betting man, both networks will eventually have an "adult" channel or 12 where, for extra $$ each month, you can enjoy all the profanity and shock you think you need. However... as XM and Sirius both use proprietary systems, I tink one will eventually kill off the other, just as Betamax was KOd by VHS. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jul 03 18:29:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 4 Jul 2002 01:29:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 18598 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2002 01:29:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2002 01:29:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2002 01:29:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2002 01:29:24 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 01:29:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IBOC, XM, and new TEAC radio with good AM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4281 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.11 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > IBOC offers a chance to gain increased frequency response Yes, but with its bit-rate of only 36 kbps for stereo mode, the *quality* of those high frequencies is likely to be so noticeably degraded that a pure, clean 7.5 to 10 kHz's worth of analog AM audio (via the AMAX receiver standard) would be preferred by most listeners most of the time. And with "lossy" compression methods (like what IBOC uses) at these low bit-rates, the quality can vary *greatly* from song to song depending on how "easy" it is to encode. Some modern digital-produced songs will sound *fantastic* at 36 kbps, but throw in an older analog-sourced recording with azimuth mistracking error and other normally inaudible anomalies, and the sound will fall to pieces, with various strange and obnoxious noises ("artifacts"), similar to what we have all heard from a poor quality MP3, WMA, or RealAudio source. I'd say that if anybody with an ear for music listened to IBOC-AM, especially with good headphones, he or she would likely characterize it as "congested", "wishy-washy", and just oddly "different", even if they can't quite put their finger on what is wrong with the sound. Funny enough, I listened to XM in two different stores today and this is exactly what I thought of it. It *is* in "Stereo", but it *never* approached "CD Quality" or even "FM Quality". I could always hear these characteristics, especially with non-"in-house" channels such as the simulcast of "Lite FM" and BBC World Service, where multiple instances of lossy compression are likely in use, leading to further degraded sound. And with the SBR ("faked" treble) it uses, it doesn't really have any clear, distinct top end -- I'd be surprised if it has a frequency response of any more than 12.5 kHz. > (which, as I've already admitted, a properly designed receiver could > do just as well, but that's apparently not being considered - and at > this point it might be too late, regardless). BTW, in the same store as the XM demo ("The Wiz"), something that caught my eye was a bunch of TEAC '50s retro style table radios on the shelf, with brightly colored plastic cases and chrome ornamentation. This radio has a lighted circular dial and a pair of small stereo speakers. I tried one -- it was nothing special on FM, but luckily the store was close by a nice AM music station, so I tuned that in and I was actually impressed by how it sounded. Even with the small speakers, it had a very nice rich tone (almost "tube-like") and although it didn't jump out at me, the treble response *was* there -- especially considering that the station I tuned in is one that doesn't use any pre-emphasis, so a proper NRSC-spec station would sound even better. Here is some info on it: http://shop.store.yahoo.com/herrington-catalog/as195.html I think this would make a good conversion to AM Stereo, and would *look* cool too, at less than half the cost of a Bose WaveRadio. After all, it has a large "STEREO" logo on top -- so why not make that mean AM STEREO, FM STEREO, and CD STEREO? > I can't counsel them to spend a couple of thousand on buying an AMS > exciter if I'm not sure they'll be able to use it after next year. I have NEVER heard anything saying that if/when IBOC arrives, regular analog AM Stereo and FM Stereo will no longer be able to be used. IBOC-AM may not be *simultaneously* compatible with AM Stereo on the same station, but that doesn't mean that non-IBOC stations can't continue to serve their listeners with an AM Stereo signal that will sound better on 99% of the existing analog radios (due to IBOC's 4.5 kHz audio response limitation on the analog part of the signal). And there will be many stations that won't switch to IBOC, lest it be mandated, simply because the equipment and licensing fees cost so much. A station with outdated '70s equipment that may sound okay with mono AM (or FM) will likely have to spend more than $100,000 to get everything upgraded to IBOC standards, all the way from the audio mixing board in the studio to the phasors and antenna hardware at the transmitter site..... and I know stations that can't afford $100 to get a wowy-and-fluttery cart machine fixed, let alone a thousand times that expenditure! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jul 03 18:52:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 4 Jul 2002 01:52:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 39888 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2002 01:52:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2002 01:52:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2002 01:52:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2002 01:52:50 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 01:52:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: (Borderline OT) Ponderous Tome about Stereo Oldies Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001c01c222d2$0a966460$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 782 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.11 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The best stuff I ever heard was the stereo "Dion & the Belmonts" > stuff recorded on Reel to Reel 4 track at Bell labs in NYC in 1958. > Somehow,it made it to a now extinct CD, but it is incredible- I use > it for demo-ing transmitters. BTW, even more spectacular than anything Stereo can provide is "BINAURAL" sound. This is recorded so that when listening with headphones, it actually feels like you are right there listening to the live audio, with sounds coming from *in front of* you, not just from "between your head". There are some camcorders that can do a form of Binaural by having two microphones placed close together, and when listening to the resulting audio with headphones and watching the video at the same time, the experience is amazingly realistic. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jul 03 19:18:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 4 Jul 2002 02:18:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 99981 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2002 02:18:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2002 02:18:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2002 02:18:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2002 02:18:24 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 02:18:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: (Borderline OT) Ponderous Thread about Stereo Oldies Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2066 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.76.13 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Has there ever been or have you EVER found a stereo version of > "Tequila" by the Champs? > I looked and looked and looked one day only to no avail. Seemed to > come up with SOMETHING but apparantly it was a remake....not the > original. While we're on the topic, I have a compilation of the "top hits of 1958" and the only Stereo songs on it are "It's Only Make Believe" by Conway Twitty and "Yakety Yak" by the Coasters. "Tequila" is sadly in mono; meanwhile "To Know Him, Is To Love Him" by the Teddy Bears has some stereo-like 'space' to it but I don't think it's true 'Stereo'. I'm still trying to find mainstream songs (i.e. not from movie soundtracks, of which there is "Stereo" dating back to the 1930s) from 1957 or earlier that were recorded in true Stereo. It seems 1958 was when Stereo made its big break, with Stereo LP record players widely available for the first time. A friend of mine actually has an RCA Victrola STEREO record player from the late '50s and it still sounds good today! It is matched with an AM/Shortwave radio that is both "FM-ready" and "Stereo-ready" but offers neither as a built-in feature. But it does have a graphical equalizer, showing on a moving graph line the dB of boost or cut you are using across 100 to 10,000 Hz (this, in the the 1950s!!) and its AM/SW tuner has both a green "Magic Tuning Eye" and a wide-bandwidth "Hi-Fi" mode which sounds absolutely fantastic! A real gem... I have NEVER seen another one of these. It is the RCA Victor Audiola model "ALA-10S" in case anybody wants to try! (Interestingly, the schematic on the rear panel shows that it can also be set to run on 100V Japanese AC power.) Trivia: As far as I can tell, only three songs by Buddy Holly were originally recorded in stereo -- "True Love Ways", "It Doesn't Matter Anymore", and "Raining In My Heart", all recorded with a gorgeous orchestra backing in October 1958. (Well, obviously there probably was more done at this recording session, but those three were the ones released on 45 RPM singles). From narkspud@hotmail.com Thu Jul 04 01:13:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 4 Jul 2002 08:13:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 10231 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2002 08:13:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2002 08:13:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.16.134) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2002 08:13:26 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 01:13:26 -0700 Received: from 67.224.17.90 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 04 Jul 2002 08:13:26 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: (Borderline OT) Ponderous Thread about Stereo Oldies Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 01:13:26 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2002 08:13:26.0884 (UTC) FILETIME=[AC7A7A40:01C22332] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.224.17.90] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud November, 1957. The introduction of the stereo LP by Columbia and AudioFidelity. Classical, jazz, and easy listening went stereo almost immediately, while the much more underfunded and small-label-dominated rock & roll market was still doing some mono-only right into the early 70s. You aren't likely to find ANY R&R recordings cut in true stereo prior to mid-1957, although some classical/jazz/showtune recordings were being done for the reel-to-reel market. And, as you mentioned, there are those movie soundtracks. Beware of those movie soundtracks, though. . .many of the "stereo" ones are created by merely combining the music and effects track (in fake stereo) with the dialog track (in mono). Most movies from the late 30s onwards had 2-track soundtracks like this, to enable them to do foreign-language dubs. But once again, that ain't really stereo. >"It's Only Make Believe" by >Conway Twitty That's RCA's Living Stereo. Most hits recorded for RCA from early 1958 onward are true stereo. Or at least they *were*. RCA has a tendency to screw things up on CD (see "Sam Cooke, the Man and his Music" for a particularly heinous job.) >and "Yakety Yak" by the Coasters. Atlantic was THE pioneering R&R-in-stereo label. Their sessions were cut direct-to-tape on both mono and 2-track stereo equipment, with two separate mixing boards run simultaneously by two separate engineers. This accounts for the high rate of differences between the mono and stereo versions of Atlantic's 1958-63 stuff. If there is no stereo version of a track from this period, it usually means something went wrong with the stereo guy's live mix (ran out of tape or something). Several of the Coasters hits exist in true stereo, but there's invariably something weird in the mix that spoils it for us purists. (Your stereo Yakety Yak, for instance, is missing the sax riff after the line "Don't you give me no dirty looks.") >"Tequila" is sadly in >mono; "Tequila" is ONLY in mono. We just heard an MP3 file that conclusively proved it (and probably damaged some people's hearing in the process. XM radio sounds splended by comparison.) >meanwhile "To Know Him, Is To Love Him" by the Teddy Bears has >some stereo-like 'space' to it but I don't think it's true 'Stereo'. It isn't. That was Phil Spector's first hit production (on Dore records), and was heavily influenced by an earlier, less well-known hit called "You" by the Aquatones. That one was a very amateurish recording job with gobs of outer-space tape echo. Phil's reverb is restrained by comparison. There are a lot of fake-stereo and just plain lousy copies of "To Know Him Is To Love Him" out there. Sounds like you have one of the good ones. >Trivia: As far as I can tell, only three songs by Buddy Holly were >originally recorded in stereo -- "True Love Ways", "It Doesn't Matter >Anymore", and "Raining In My Heart", all recorded with a gorgeous >orchestra backing in October 1958. (Well, obviously there probably >was more done at this recording session, but those three were the ones >released on 45 RPM singles). All of Buddy Holly's stuff was recorded in Norman Petty's very mono studio in Clovis, New Mexico (which hasn't stopped some "rare stereo versions" from showing up on the net), EXCEPT for the tracks you mentioned. I think they were recorded at Decca's digs in NYC. Those are *really* nice stereo recordings, vastly superior to the mono mixes. Other 1958 hits in true stereo, not necessarily good stereo but stereo nonetheless: Summertime Summertime by the Jamies, Twilight Time by the Platters, Splish Splash and Queen of the Hop by Bobby Darin, The Diary by Neil Sedaka, Nobody But You by Dee Clark, Don't Let Go by Roy Hamilton, Peek a Boo by the Cadillacs (2-track), Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree by Brenda Lee. Going back even further than the cool gizmo you described (which I would LOVE to see), there was a cylinder player introduced at whichever World's Fair was going on in 1900, called the Columbia Multiplex Grand Graphophone Deluxe. (That's right, you radio guys. . .Multiplex!) It had 2 horns playing 2 sets of grooves. Unfortunately the player retailed for $2000 in 1900 money, and there appear to be no surviving players or records, just the advertisements and photos from the fair. No one knows for sure if the sucker actually played in stereo or if they had some other effect in mind. No, I am NOT making this up. The two-sets-of-grooves trick (separate bands, BTW, not intertwining spirals) was tried again on LP in the mid-50's by Cook Labs, with a Y-shaped tonearm with 2 cartridges. Never caught on, 'cause the player wasn't exactly compatible with mono releases, and 'cause it was very difficult to get both needles in exactly the right groove simultaneously. I've got one of the records for the silly thing. Marimba music. (Another reason it didn't catch on.) narkspud _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From n0uiheric@aol.com Thu Jul 04 01:37:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 4 Jul 2002 08:37:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 34010 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2002 08:37:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2002 08:37:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.33) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2002 08:37:27 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.ea.2a104180 (3989) for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 04:37:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 04:37:22 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} 3AK back in stereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih St. Louis still has four: KJSL 630 (Christian Talk/Contemporary) KSTL 690 (Urban Gospel) KXEN 1010 (Contemporary Christian-night only) WESL 1490 (R&B Oldies-currently transitioning from mono carts to Stereo CDs) 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From n0uiheric@aol.com Thu Jul 04 01:37:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 4 Jul 2002 08:37:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 16478 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2002 08:37:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2002 08:37:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m10.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.165) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2002 08:37:30 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.178.abcde18 (3989) for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 04:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <178.abcde18.2a556341@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 04:37:21 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC and C-QuAM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih My father rented a car with an RDS receiver: only one station continues to send RDS: KFUO-FM 99.1 Clayton, MO, which runs a Classical music format. The RDS display reads simply "KFUO FM". 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From dav259@bluehaze.com.au Thu Jul 04 03:53:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@bluehaze.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 4 Jul 2002 10:53:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 30935 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2002 10:53:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2002 10:53:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO art.bluehaze.com.au) (210.23.137.2) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2002 10:53:15 -0000 Received: from localhost (dav259@localhost) by art.bluehaze.com.au (8.12.0.Beta7/8.12.0.Beta7) with ESMTP id g64AlQWj028499; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 20:47:26 +1000 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 20:47:25 +1000 (EST) To: Friday Humourites Cc: , Subject: Friday Humour Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Davo on bluehaze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Yo from windy wet willie wilting Melbournetown - where strangely enough our "arse licking" PM and the Opposition leader have coincidently decided to take official junkets in the Northern Hemisphere. The reference to our wonderful PM was from one of Labor's best performing headkickers describing Little Johnnie Howard's recent visit with Dubya Junior in Washington. Strangely enough Little George has since had a colonoscopy. We expect he had advice from our great man ... And now Laurie Oakes (the best paid political commentator in Oz) is telling us that our Cheryl had an affair with Garreth ... good God! If this is the best the parliamentry lot can do - it is a sad day for Oz! What if they did? Does it really matter? Who fucking cares? Let's keep foccussed on what matters. That's my say. And I'm Not Derryn Hinch - 08:30 to 12:00 each day on Melbourne's 1116 - 3AK - which has moved to Richmond this very week - and is back in AM stereo! Check out http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kevtronics/ AM stereo is STILL ALIVE - it's a pity nobody really seems to care ... One could ask - does it matter that you actually have two ears? Was God trying to have something to say when He indeed created AM stereo? - or did He just think nobody would notice the difference? Just between you me and the gatepost I think He could hear the difference in both ears. ... and probably does The Odd Spot from yesterdays Age: Hong Kong's sixth year under Chinese rule got off to a not-so-auspicious start when a special-effects firework that was supposed to spell out 2002 in the sky ended up looking more like "SOS". ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ Firstly from Lisa (not with a Z) who writes: "Ian, A friend of mine who works for GM sent me this about a Training season she went a few years ago. Thought it was so good I had to share it. I've taken her name off the email so she can't be identified. Cheers Lisa" I work for General Motors (Europe). On a pretty regular basis we get to go on 'training courses' designed by some of these 'gurus' - we all reckon that they must play golf with the hotshots in Detroit. Well I remember one Executive Training Session a few years back that was supposed to help us to understand how others saw us and how our behaviour affects others - ie we change our ways and we all get a win win (yeeeeuuuuccck). It was a weeks residential in a posh country hotel I don't remember much except there were other companies there too - notably a load of bankers from Barclays - the commercial trading division bloody good old boys they were too - could drink as much as us lot! This guru stood up on a podium and stretched out his arms expansively to command our attention smiling and grinning and lapping up the moment He looked a bit like Hitler. Some wag started humming the theme from the Dam Busters. The GM lot and the Barclays lot all got into formation and started the best game of aeroplanes I've ever seen in all my life. Over the chairs and tables - right through the podium taking out the Guru, round the dining hall and eventually the squadron of some 30 planes burst out onto the terrace where we took on the Luftwaffe the Japs and God knows who else. Best training session ever - I never did find out what happened to our Guru! (your note just triggered the memory!) ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ >From Ben in windy wet Wellington Groaners Phone answering machine message "... If you want to buy marijuana, press the hash key ..." I went to buy some camouflage trousers the other day, but I couldn't find any. I went to the butchers the other day and I bet him 50 bucks that he couldn't reach the meat off the top shelf. And he said, "No, the steaks are too high." My friend drowned in a bowl of muesli. He was pulled in by a strong currant. A man came round in hospital after a serious accident. He shouted, "Doctor, doctor, I can't feel my legs!" The doctor replied, "I know you can't, I've cut your arms off" I went to a seafood disco last week ... and pulled a mussel. Our ice cream man was found lying on the floor of his van covered with hundreds and thousands. Police say that he topped himself. Man goes to the doc, with a strawberry growing out of his head. Doc says, "I'll give you some cream to put on it." A man takes his Rottweiler to the vet. "My dog's cross-eyed, is there anything you can do for him? " "Well," says the vet, "let's have a look at him" So he picks the dog up and examines his eyes, then checks his teeth. Finally, he says, "I'm going to have to put him down." "What? Because he's cross-eyed? " "No, because he's really heavy" Guy goes into the doctor's. "Doc, I've got a cricket ball stuck up my backside." "How's that?" "Don't you start!" What do you call a fish with no eyes? A fsh. A man walked into the doctors, he said, "I've hurt my arm in several places" The doctor said, "Well don't go there any more". ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ >From Beryl in the snow Corporate Condoms Imagine if major companies from all around the world started producing or sponsoring condoms. They would become fashionable and companies would probably advertise more openly. CocaCola Condoms: Enjoy Nike Condoms: Just do it Toyota Condoms: Oh what a feeling Microsoft Condoms: Where do you want to go today? Optus Condoms: Yes! KFC Condoms: Finger lickin' good M&Ms Condoms: Melt in your mouth, not in your hands Duracell Condoms: Keep going and going and going Pringles Condoms: Once you pop you can't stop Sydney Olympic Condoms: Share the spirit Hyundai Condoms: All day, every day Tip Top Condoms: Good onya mum (available in Tasmania only) Panasonic Condoms: Even more than you expected VB Condoms: As a matter of fact, I've got one now Swan Lager Condoms: They said you'd never make it... Vegemite Condoms: Puts a rose in every cheek - (target gay market) Nescafe Condoms: It brings you together Quicken Condoms: Quicken. Easy. McDonald's Condoms : Things that make you go hmm.......... GoodYear Condoms: If it only saves you once a year its a good year ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ >From a deviant out west A true tale Yesterday, a friend was travelling on a Country Link train line on the Australian mainland. A man of Arabic-appearance got off the train and my friend noticed that he had left his bag behind. She grabbed the bag and ran after him, caught up with him at the top of the escalator and handed him back his bag. He was extremely grateful and reached into his bag which appeared to contain large bundles of money and white powder. He looked around to make sure nobody was looking and whispered "I can never repay your kindness, but I will try to.... with a word of advice for you: Stay away from Adelaide". My friend was genuinely terrified. "Is there going to be an attack?" she asked him. "No", he whispered back.. "It's a shithole." ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ >From another wild west wanker Douglas Adams - Guide to Oz The following gem is by Douglas Adams of "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" fame. It is an amazing insight into Australia - prepare yourself! Australia is a very confusing place, taking up a large amount of the bottom half of the planet. It is recognisable from orbit because of many unusual features, including what at first looks like an enormous bite taken out of its southern edge; a wall of sheer cliffs which plunge deep into the girting sea. Geologists assure us that this is simply an accident of geomorphology and plate tectonics, but they still call it the "Great Australian Bight" proving that not only are they covering up a more frightening theory, but they can't spell either! The first of the confusing things about Australia is the status of the place. Where other land masses and sovereign lands are classified as either continent, island, or country, Australia is considered all three. Typically, it is unique in this. The second confusing thing about Australia are the animals. They can be divided into three categories: Poisonous, Odd, and Sheep. It is true that of the 10 most poisonous arachnids on the planet, Australia has 9 of them. Actually, it would be more accurate to say that of the 9 most poisonous arachnids, Australia has all of them. However, there are curiously few snakes, possible because the spiders have killed them all. But even the spiders won't go near the sea. Any visitors should be careful to check inside boots (before putting them on), under toilet seats (before sitting down) and generally everywhere else. A stick is very useful for this task. At this point, we would like to mention the Platypus - estranged relative of the mammal, which has a duck-bill, otter's tail, webbed feet, lays eggs, detects its aquatic prey in the same way as the electric eel, and has venomous barbs attached to its hind legs, thus combining all 'typical' Australian attributes into a single improbable creature. The last confusing thing about Australia is the inhabitants. First, a short history. Some time around 40,000 years ago, some people arrived in boats from the north. They ate all the available food, and a lot of them died. The ones that survived learned respect for the balance of nature, man's proper place in the scheme of things, and spiders. They settled in, and spent a lot of the intervening time making up strange stories. Then, around 200 years ago, Europeans arrived in boats from the north. More accurately, European convicts were sent, with a few deranged and stupid people in charge. They tried to plant their crops in Autumn (failing to take account of the reversal of the seasons when moving from the top half of the planet to the bottom), ate all their food, and a lot of them died. About then the sheep arrived, and have been treasured ever since. It is interesting to note here that the Europeans always consider themselves vastly superior to any other race they encounter, since they can lie, cheat, steal, and litigate (marks of a civilised culture they say) whereas all the Aboriginals can do is happily survive being left in the middle of a vast red-hot desert, equipped with a stick. Eventually, the new lot of people stopped being Europeans on Extended Holiday and became Australians. The changes are subtle, but deep, caused by the mind-stretching expanses of nothingness and eerie quiet, where a person can sit perfectly still and look deep inside themselves to the core of their essence, their reasons for being, and the necessity of checking inside your boots every morning for fatal surprises. They also picked up the most finely tuned sense of irony in the world, and the Aboriginal gift for making up stories. Be warned. There is also the matter of the beaches. Australian beaches are simply the nicest and best in the entire world. Although anyone actually venturing into the sea will have to contend with sharks, stinging jellyfish, stonefish(a fish which sits on the bottom of the sea, pretends to be a rock, and has venomous barbs sticking out of its back that will kill just from the pain)and surfboarders. However, watching a beach sunset is worth the risk. As a result of all this hardship, dirt, thirst, and wombats, you would expect Australians to be a dour lot. Instead, they are genial, jolly, cheerful, and always willing to share a kind word with a stranger, unless they are an American! Faced with insurmountable odds and impossible problems, they smile disarmingly and look for a stick. Major engineering feats have been performed with sheets of corrugated iron, string, and mud. Alone of all the races on earth, they seem to be free from the 'Grass is Greener on the other side of the fence' syndrome, and roundly proclaim that Australia is, in fact, the other side of that fence. They call the land "Oz", "Godzone" (a verbal contraction of "God's Own Country") and "Best bloody place on earth, bar none, strewth." The irritating thing about this is they may be right. There are some traps for the unsuspecting traveller, though. Do not, under any circumstances, suggest that the beer is imperfect, unless you are comparing it to another kind of Australian beer. Do not wear a Hawaiian shirt. Religion and Politics are fairly safe topics of conversation (Australians don't care too much about either) but Sport is a minefield. The only correct answer to "So, howdya' like our country, eh?" is "Best {insert your own regional swear word here} country in the world!". It is very likely that, on arriving, some cheerful Australians will 'adopt' you on your first night, and take you to a pub where Australian Beer is served. Despite the obvious danger, do not refuse. It is a form of initiation rite. You will wake up late the next day with an astonishing hangover, a foul taste in your mouth, and wearing strange clothes. Your hosts will usually make sure you get home, and waive off any legal difficulties with "It's his first time in Australia, so we took him to the pub.", to which the policeman will sagely nod and close his notebook. Be sure to tell the story of these events to every other Australian you encounter, adding new embellishments at every stage, and noting how strong the beer was. Thus you will be accepted into this unique culture. Most Australians are now urban dwellers, having discovered the primary use of electricity, which is air-conditioning and refrigerators. Typical Australian sayings:- "G'Day!" "It's better than a poke in the eye with a burnt stick!" "She'll be right mate." Tips to Surviving Australia Don't ever put your hand down a hole for any reason WHATSOEVER. The beer is stronger than you think, regardless of how strong you think it is. Always carry a stick. Air-conditioning is imperative. Do not attempt to use Australian slang, unless you are a trained linguist and extremely good in a fist fight. Wear thick socks. Take good maps. Stopping to ask directions only works when there are people nearby. If you leave the urban areas, carry several litres of water with you at all times, or you will die. Even in the most embellished stories told by Australians, there is always a core of truth that it is unwise to ignore. See Also:- "Deserts and how to die in them.", "The Stick - Second most useful thing ever." and "Poisonous and Venomous arachnids, insects, animals, trees, shrubs, fish and sheep of Australia - volumes 1-42. ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ >From Little Di (who may now just as well be called Di as Big Di has left and was last heard of climbing Black Mountain in FNQ - and said it was too hot and stick up there - half her luck!) LITTLE BILLY ON ... GETTING OLDER Little BILLY was sitting on a park bench munching on one candy bar after another. After the 6th one, a man on the bench across from him said, "Son, you know eating all that candy isn't good for you. It will give you acne, rot your teeth, and make you fat." Little BILLY replied, "My grandfather lived to be 107 years old." "Oh?" replied the man. " Did your grandfather eat 6 candy bars at a time?" "No" replied Little Billy, "he minded his own f***ing business!!" LITTLE BILLY ON... PHILOSOPHY A teacher asks her class, "If there are 5 birds sitting on a fence and you shoot one of them, how many will be left?" She calls on little BILLY. He replies, "None, they will all fly away with the first gunshot. " The teacher replies, "The correct answer is 4, but I like your thinking." Then little BILLY says, "I have a question for YOU. There are 3 women sitting on a bench having ice cream: One is delicately licking the sides of the triple scoop of ice cream. The second is gobbling down the top and sucking the cone. The third is biting off the top of the ice cream. Which one is married?" The teacher, blushing a great deal, replies, "Well, I suppose the one that's gobbled down the top and sucked the cone." To which Little BILLY replied, "The correct answer is 'the one with the wedding ring on', but I like your thinking." LITTLE BILLY ON... MATHS Little BILLY returns home from school and says he got an F in arithmetic. "Why?" asks the father." "The teacher asked, 'How much is 2x3?' I said 6," replied BILLY. "But that's right!" says his dad. "Yeah, but then she asked me, 'How much is 3x2?'" "What's the f***ing difference? " asks the father. "That's what I said!" LITTLE BILLY ON... ENGLISH: Little BILLY goes to school, and the teacher says, "Today we are going to learn multi-syllable words, class. Does anybody have an example of a multi-syllable word?" BILLY says " Mas-tur-bate." Miss Rogers smiles and says, "Wow, little BILLY, that's a mouthful." Little BILLY says, "No, Miss Rogers, you're thinking of a blowjob." LITTLE BILLY ON... GRAMMAR: One day, during lessons on proper grammar, the teacher asked for a show of hands from those who could use the word "beautiful" in the same sentence twice. First she called on little Suzie, who responded with, "My father bought my mother a beautiful dress and she looked beautiful in it." "Very good, Suzie," replied the teacher. She then called on little Michael. "My mommy planned a beautiful banquet and it turned out beautifully." The teacher responded, "Excellent, Michael!" Then, she reluctantly called on little BILLY. "Last night, at the dinner table, my sister told my father that she was pregnant, and he said "Beautiful, just f***ing beautiful!" ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ >From Dave Allnutts in Highett (which has just been merged with Man-Tech, of Claytown and Preston. God help them! I'd tell you the name of the new Division 'cept Dave's already forgotton - but he did enjoy the party ...) Sales A couple lived near the ocean and used to walk the beach a lot. One summer they noticed a girl who was at the beach pretty much every day. She wasn't unusual, nor was the travel bag she carried, except for one thing; she would approach people who were sitting on the beach, glance around furtively, then speak to them. Generally the people would respond negatively and she would wander off, but occasionally someone would nod and there would be a quick exchange of money and something she carried in her bag. The couple assumed she was selling drugs, and debated calling the cops, but since they didn't know for sure they just continued to watch her. After a couple of weeks the wife said, "Honey, have you ever noticed that she only goes up to people with boom boxes and other electronic devices?" Then she said, "Tomorrow I want you to get a towel and our big radio and go lie out on the beach. Then we can find out what she's really doing." Well, the plan went off without a hitch and the wife was almost hopping up and down with anticipation when she saw the girl talk to her husband and then leave. The man walked up the beach and met his wife at the road. "Well? Is she selling drugs?" she asked excitedly. "No, she's not," he said, enjoying this probably more than he should have. "Well? What is it, then? What does she do?" his wife fairly shrieked. The man grinned and said, "She's a battery salesperson." "Batteries?" cried the wife. "Yes," he replied. "She sells C cells down by the sea shore." ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ NASCAR Fan's Wedding Top Ten Signs You're at a NASCAR Fan's Wedding 10. A band of burly guys that call themselves the "Over the Wall Band" play "Here Comes the Bride" on their air guns. 9. The little flower girls drop lug nuts down the aisle instead of flower petals. 8. The bride carries a bouquet of Craftsman tools. 7. There's a pause for a commercial break right at the good part. 6. The bride's dress is covered with sponsor patches. 5. As the bride and groom exit, they are sprayed with Coke, beer, and Gatorade. 4. The cost of the wedding is referred to as "three sets of tires." 3. The ends of all pews are covered in bows made of 200mph tape. 2. Instead of the customary "You may kiss the bride" the pastor shouts "Gentlemen, Start Your Engines!" And the #1 sign you're at a NASCAR fan's wedding is: 1. As the bride walks down the aisle, the Maid of Honor waves the pit board. ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ >From Melb Uni Lee Irish joke Mick is appearing on the Irish RTE TV 'Who Wants To Be A Millionaire?' programme (pre-Euro!). Presenter: "Mick, you've done very well so far, you're on 500,000 Punt and you've got one lifeline left - phone a friend. The next question will give you the first ever million if you get it right, but if you're wrong you will be out of the game and drop to 32,000 Punt. Are you ready?" Mick: "Sure I'll have a go". Presenter: "Which of the following birds does NOT build it's own nest? Is it: A- Robin / B- Sparrow /C- Cuckoo/ D- Thrush? Remember Mick, it's worth a Million Punt." Mick: "Er.... I don't know dat one at all at all.... no I haven't got a clue. I'll phone a friend." Presenter: "OK Mick, who do you want to phone?" Mick: "I'll phone Paddy back in Ballynafeigh" (Ringing) Paddy: "Hello, hello, dere....?" Presenter: "Hello Paddy, it's Gay Byrne here from "Who Wants To Be A Millionaire". I have Mick here and he's doing very, very well. He's on 500,000 Punt but needs your help to get the Million. The next voice you hear will be Mick's and he'll explain the question. There are 4 possible answers but just one correct answer. You have 30 seconds to answer..... fire away Mick." Mick: "Hello dere, Paddy. Which of the following birds does NOT build it's own nest? Is it: A - Robin / B - Sparrow / C - Cuckoo / D - T'rush?" Paddy: "Jayus, Mick, dat's easy.... it's a Cuckoo". Mick: "Are you absolutely sure Paddy?" Paddy: "Sure I'm bloody sure" Mick: "T'anks, Paddy." (Hangs up) Presenter: Well do you want to stick on 500,000 Punt or play on for the first ever Irish Million, Mick?" Mick: " I want to play, I'll go with C, the Cuckoo." Presenter: "Is that your final answer?" Mick: "It is, it is." Presenter: "Confident?" Mick: "Oh, ay, Mick's a real genius, he knows everyt'ing." Presenter: "Mick..... you had 500,000 Punt and you said Cuckoo. You have just won a Million Punt!!! Here's your cheque - you have been a great contestant and a real gambler. Audience, please put your hands together for Mick." (Applause) That night Mick calls Paddy and invites him down to the local Pub to fill him full of drink. As they're sitting at the bar, Mick turns to Paddy and asks: "Tell me Paddy - how in God's name did ye know dat it was de Cuckoo dat doesn't build it's own nest? Sure, ye know fock-all about birds." "Jaysus, ye're a right eejit, Mick, dat was easy - sure everyone knows a Cuckoo lives in a clock!" ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ A variation on a theme from Colin of Nexhip 100 % We have all been to those meetings where someone wants over 100%. How about achieving 103%? Here's a little math that might prove helpful. What makes life 100%? If: A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z is represented as: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26. Then: H A R D W O R K 8 1 18 4 23 15 18 11 = 98% K N O W L E D G E 11 14 15 23 12 5 4 7 5 = 96% But, A T T I T U D E 1 20 20 9 20 21 4 5 = 100% And, B U L L S H I T 2 21 12 12 19 8 9 20 = 103% So, it stands to reason that hard work and knowledge will get you close, attitude will get you there, and bullshit will put you over the top. But, look how far ass kissing will take you. A S S K I S S I N G 1 19 19 11 9 19 19 9 14 7 = 118% ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ This weeks graphics from Kero Steve, Dave, David Barker, Ben, Brett, Lan Vu, and you know who ... Flying arse about http://www.bluehaze.com.au/humour/images/moon.jpg Dirty dog http://www.bluehaze.com.au/humour/images/kathund.mpeg Dreaming http://www.bluehaze.com.au/humour/images/IBM1.pps Road rave http://www.bluehaze.com.au/humour/images/vw.jpg Tactics http://www.bluehaze.com.au/humour/images/WorldCuptactics.jpg Sometimes ... http://www.bluehaze.com.au/humour/images/so-true.jpg 'ave a beer http://www.bluehaze.com.au/humour/images/carlsbigb.jpg Just testing http://www.bluehaze.com.au/humour/images/DH_Test.htm Just a thought http://www.bluehaze.com.au/humour/images/bumpwomencantfart.jpg The Glowowm http://www.bluehaze.com.au/humour/images/Gloworm__1.jpg Today's special http://www.bluehaze.com.au/humour/images/pic00123.jpg Free parking http://www.bluehaze.com.au/humour/images/pic06902.jpg The cleaners http://www.bluehaze.com.au/humour/images/pic24596.jpg Run 'em down http://www.bluehaze.com.au/humour/images/pic31928.jpg Tough rules http://www.bluehaze.com.au/humour/images/pic25627.jpg The knack http://www.bluehaze.com.au/humour/images/TheNack.mp3 Lost baggage http://www.bluehaze.com.au/humour/images/soggi.wav Frustrating http://www.bluehaze.com.au/humour/images/frustrating.wmv Cow fight http://www.bluehaze.com.au/humour/images/CowMatrix1.mpg Magic http://www.bluehaze.com.au/humour/images/copperfield_english.pps ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ A trio from Kerosene Steve The 3 Bears The Three Bears... It's a sunny morning in the Big Forest and the Bear family is just waking up. Baby Bear goes downstairs and sits in his small chair at the table. He looks into his small bowl. It is empty! "Who's been eating my porridge?" he squeaks. Daddy Bear arrives at the table and sits in his big chair. He looks into his big bowl. It is also empty! "Who's been eating my porridge?" he roars. Mummy Bear puts her head through the serving hatch from the kitchen and yells, "For Pete's sake, how many times do we have to go through this? It was Mummy Bear who got up first. It was Mummy Bear who woke everybody else in the house up. It was Mummy Bear who made all the beds and washed all of the clothes. It was Mummy Bear who unloaded the dishwasher from last night and put everything away. It was Mummy Bear who went out into the cold early morning air to fetch the newspaper. It was Mummy Bear who set the table. It was Mummy Bear who put the cat out, cleaned the litter box and filled the cat's water & food dish. And now that you've decided to come down stairs and grace me with your presence.... listen good because I'm only going to say this one more time....... I HAVEN'T MADE THE FUCKING porridge yet!!" ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ The church A few minutes before the church services started, the townspeople were sitting in their pews and talking. Suddenly, Satan appeared at the front entrance, trampling each other in a frantic effort to get away from evil incarnate. Soon everyone had exited the church except for one elderly gentleman who sat calmly in his pew without moving, seeming oblivious to the fact that God's ultimate enemy was in his presence. Satan walked up to the old man and said, "Don't you know who I am?" The man replied, "Yep, sure do." "Aren't you afraid of me?" Satan asked. "Nope, sure ain't." said the man. "Don't you realize I can kill you with a word?" asked Satan. "Don't doubt it for a minute," returned the old man, in an even tone. "Did you know that I could cause you profound, horrifying, physical AGONY for all eternity?" persisted Satan. "Yep," was the calm reply. "And you're still not afraid?" asked Satan. "Nope." More than a little perturbed, Satan asked, "Well, why aren't you afraid of me?" The man calmly replied, "Been married to your sister for over 48 years." ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ The Creation In the beginning God created day and night. He created day for footy matches, going to the beach and barbies. He created night for going prawning, sleeping and barbies. God saw that it was good. Evening came and morning came and it was the Second Day. On the Second Day God created water - for surfing, swimming and barbies on the beach. God saw that it was good. Evening came and morning came and it was the Third Day. On the Third Day God created the Earth to bring forth plants - to provide malt and yeast for beer and wood for barbies. God saw that it was good. Evening came and morning came and it was the Fourth Day. On the Fourth Day God created animals and crustaceans for chops, sausages, steak and prawns for barbies. God saw that it was good. Evening came and morning came and it was the Fifth Day. On the Fifth Day God created a bloke - to go to the footy, enjoy the beach, drink the beer and eat the meat and prawns at barbies. God saw that it was good. Evening came and morning came and it was the Sixth Day. On the Sixth Day God saw that this bloke was lonely and needed someone To go to the footy, surf, drink beer, eat and stand around the barbie with. So God created Mates, and God saw that they were good blokes. God saw that it was good. Evening came and morning came and it was the Seventh Day. On the Seventh Day God saw that the blokes were tired and needed a Rest. So God created Sheilas - to clean the house, bear children, wash, cook and Clean the barbie. Evening came and it was the end of the Seventh day. God sighed, looked around at the twinkling barbie fires, heard the hiss of opening beer cans and the raucous laughter of all the Blokes and Sheilas, smelled the aroma of grilled chops and sizzling prawns, and God saw that it was not just good, it was better than that, it was AUSTRALIA. ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ >From QCAT in the sun Qualification Check A retired gentlemen went to apply for social security. After waiting in line for quite a long time, he arrives at the counter. The woman behind the counter asked him for his identification to verify his age. He looked in his pockets and realized he has left his wallet at home. He told the woman that he seemed to have left his wallet at home, "Will I have to go home and come back now?" he ask. The woman says, "unbutton your shirt." he opens his shirt revealing lots of curly silver hair. She says, "That silver hair on your chest is proof enough for me." as she processes his social security application. When he gets home, the man excitedly tells his wife about this experience at social security office. She says, "You should have dropped your pants, you might have qualified for disability, too." ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ A married couple is driving along a motorway doing 60MPH, the husband behind the wheel. His wife suddenly looks over at him and says, Honey, I know we've been married for twenty years, but I want a divorce" The husband says nothing but slowly increases his speed to 70 MPH. She then says, "I don't want you to try and talk me out of it, because I've been having an affair with your best friend, and he's a lot better at sex than you." Again the husband stays quiet but speeds up more as his anger increases. "I want the house," she insists, pushing her luck. Again the husband speeds up, now to 80 MPH. She says "I want the car too!" but he just keeps driving faster and faster. By now he's up to 90 MPH. "And I want the bank accounts and all the credit cards" The husband starts to veer towards the central reservation. This makes her a little nervous so she asks nervously "Isn't there anything you want dear?" The husband replies, "No, I've got everything I need darling" "Oh really," she says, "So what have you got?" Just before they smash into the central reservation at 100 MPH, the husband smiles and says ... "The f*cking airbag! " ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ Finally some World cup quickies from Party Dave Posh and Becks are sitting in front of the television watching the six o'clock news. The main story is a man threatening to jump off the Clifton Suspension Bridge on to the busy road below. Posh turns to Becks and says: "David, I bet you 5,000 that he jumps!" to which Beckham replies "5,000? Done! I bet that he doesn't." So they shake hands on the bet and continue watching. Sure enough, the man jumps and hits the road below with a loud thud. Beckham takes 5,000 out of his back pocket and hands it to Posh. But she refuses. "I can't take your money, David," she says. "The truth is, I was cheating. I saw the five o'clock news, so I knew he was going to jump." "No, babe, fair's fair" says David. "That money is yours fair and square I was cheating just as you were. I saw the five o'clock news, too. I just didn't think he would do it again." ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ The Manchester United players are in the dressing room on Saturday, just before the game, when Roy Keane walks in. "Boss," he says, "there's a problem. I'm not playing unless I get a cortisone injection." "Hey," says Becks. "If he's having a new car, so am I." ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ David Beckham goes shopping, and sees something interesting in the kitchen department of a large department store. "What's that?" he asks. "A Thermos flask," replies the assistant. "What does it do?" asks Becks. The assistant tells him it keeps hot things hot and cold things cold. Really impressed, Beckham buys one and takes it along to his next training session. "Here, boys, look at this," Beckham says proudly. "It's a Thermos flask." The lads are impressed. "What does it do?" they ask. "It keeps hot things hot and cold things cold,"says David. "And what have you got in it?" asks Roy Keane. "Two cups of coffee and a choc ice," replies David. ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ Posh takes her car into a garage to have some dents removed. The mechanic knowing she isn't the brightest Spice Girl in the world, decides to play a joke on her. "You don't need me to take those dents out," he says. "Just blow up the exhaust pipe and the metal will pop back into place." So she takes the car home and tries it. David spots her from the house, opens a window and shouts "You silly cow! You have to wind the windows up first!" ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ David Beckham is celebrating: "57 days, 57 days!" he shouts happily. Posh asks him why he is celebrating. He answers: "Well, I've done this jigsaw in only 57 days." "Is that good?" asks Posh. "You bet," says David. "It says 3 to 5 years on the box." ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ David Beckham had a near-death experience the other day when he went riding. Everything was going fine until the horse started bucking up and down out of control. He tried with all his might to hang on but it was no good. With his foot caught in the stirrup, he fell head-first to the ground. His head continued to bump on the ground as the horse refused to stop or even slow down. Fortunately, however, there was a happy ending. Just as he was giving up hope and losing consciousness, the Woolworth's' manager came along and unplugged it. ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ Quote of the Week: We have a firm commitment to NATO, we are a part of NATO. We have a firm commitment to Europe. We are a part of Europe. Former Vice President Dan Quayle ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~fin~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ ~~~oOo~~~ From philipr@irac.pe.ca Thu Jul 04 05:10:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 4 Jul 2002 12:10:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 93990 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2002 12:10:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2002 12:10:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2002 12:10:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2002 12:10:47 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 12:10:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Carrier current mods Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2869 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Before getting too hot and heavy into carrier current mods, and possibly releasing some of that important smoke into the ether with a good transmitter, such as the Alfredo Lite, why not try it on a, well, pretty lousy transmitter such as the Ramsey AM-1. Sure it will drift all over the dial and produce harmonics not only into the SW bands, but beyond 108 mhz as well. We've all heard of "multiband receivers" Well, consider the AM-1 to be a "multiband transplatter" [snicker, snicker] which does Ramsey more harm then good to their reputation [they do make some good stuff, primarly PLL FM microbroadcast transmitters - just not the AM-1] If your precious AM- 1 goes up in a puff of smoke, you'll likely say, good ridence. If you devise something that seems to work and doesn't kill the AM-1, hopefully the A-L will be safe. Another idea is to try sniffing around a campus station that uses, or did use, carrier current. You might be able to find one or more old LPB couplers for free, or really cheap. There are the simple little ones in old LPB blue, and the expensive, exotic ones in the newer LPB gray (or is it beige?) - circa early 80s on. The simple ones could easily be reproduced. As I recall, they featured a coil, often multitapped, with a select switch for crude tuning, and some 600 volt orange drop caps. Or was it a select switch for several fixed caps? The exotic ones were really minuture tuning huts, complete with watt/swr meter etc. I've never had any luck getting a carrier current signal past the transformer on the nearest pole, even with reversing the wiring to try to feed into the neutral. Maybe this is part of the LPB design? Hum, likely RF feedback, is a pain. Putting ferrite chokes on your pure AC power line, audio input cables etc. may help. For anyone trying carrier current experiments - be very carefull! [Yes, Elmer the safety elephant, we will be careful] Insulate well, and be sure to "pull the plug" before changing and connections. Insulate well. Our engineers on the list know all this - for the rest of us, a reminder is helpful. While on the topic of AC lines, I have found that a homemade isolation transformer - two back to back 25.2 volt 2A transformers through RS - works great to reduce line interference. So if you are an AM stereo dx enthusiast plagued by line noise, you might want to give this a try. This combo seems to drop the voltage a bit - some radios don't mind, others are less sensitive. Generally, solid state radios seem OK with this. Its also handy for doing repair work on antique AC/DC radios - including old ZTOs! But be careful - and insulate well! I like to use electrical tape, with shrink wrap [I'm talking about electronic shrink wrap tubing here - not stuff from the "E-Z Wrap 2000" - over it - then borrow my wife's hairdryer! Phil From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Jul 04 09:10:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 4 Jul 2002 16:10:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 35563 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2002 16:10:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2002 16:10:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14201.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.143) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2002 16:10:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20020704161004.13068.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.190] by web14201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 Jul 2002 09:10:04 PDT Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 09:10:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Let's Spread the Word About AMS! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Robert Silva has added one of our links to his HomeTheater Gizmos Page: "Your AM Stereo site is now listed on my Gadgets and Gizmos page in place of the expired FCC link -- and will also be included in next week's Did You Know? weekly site update article. http://hometheater.about.com/cs/gadgetsgizmos/index.htm Let me know if you have any exciting news updates on AM stereo issues or products that I can include in any of my daily news updates." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From mychucky@funport.net Thu Jul 04 10:30:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mychucky@funport.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 4 Jul 2002 17:30:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 50605 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2002 17:30:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2002 17:30:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.funport.com) (216.199.19.6) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2002 17:30:32 -0000 Received: from FatMusic2000 ([]) by mail.funport.com (Merak 4.4.3) with SMTP id JFB36580 for ; Thu, 04 Jul 2002 13:28:32 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01c22380$a4c67210$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> To: References: <20020704161004.13068.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Let's Spread the Word About AMS! Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 13:31:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85836819 X-Yahoo-Profile: mychucky1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know I must tread lightly on the content of a site that has finely achieved a link on a site that I look at daily and am on the e-mail and newslist. So with great trepidation so as to not appear to be too critical and with the knowledge that if a link is added to my site it would be SO SELF SERVING that I hate to mention it. but as a self described cyber explorer and very experienced with the Web and Servers ect........... I have sat people down and asked them to look for things on sites I manage or am the webmaster for just to see if they can navigate easily. After watching this I make whatever mods are necessary to facilitate their surfing. If you visit the link below and follow it to the www.amstereoradio.com site you are thrilled with the look, dazzled by the content, but if you want to get a radio after looking at all of it I can't find anywhere to actually buy one. Whatever the result of my sniveling and whining, congrats for a major milestone. Regards Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Johnny Electron To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 12:10 PM Subject: {AMSF} Let's Spread the Word About AMS! Robert Silva has added one of our links to his HomeTheater Gizmos Page: "Your AM Stereo site is now listed on my Gadgets and Gizmos page in place of the expired FCC link -- and will also be included in next week's Did You Know? weekly site update article. http://hometheater.about.com/cs/gadgetsgizmos/index.htm Let me know if you have any exciting news updates on AM stereo issues or products that I can include in any of my daily news updates." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From narkspud@hotmail.com Thu Jul 04 19:42:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 5 Jul 2002 02:42:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 42755 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2002 02:42:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2002 02:42:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2002 02:42:45 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 19:42:45 -0700 Received: from 67.224.21.13 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 05 Jul 2002 02:42:45 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Minidiscs and Interference---Help!!! Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 19:42:45 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2002 02:42:45.0809 (UTC) FILETIME=[A4B07210:01C223CD] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.224.21.13] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud Picture if you will a long wire, with male stereo 1/8" jacks on each end. Connected to one end is a brand new MiniDisc Walkman (Sony MZ-R500PC). Connected to the other is my trusty SRF-A100. The plan, go cruising around Southern California making spectacular, interference-free airchecks of AM Stereo stations like KNX, KABC and KDIS for the purposes of sending socks-knocking demo CDs to every non-stereo station with a mailing address. The plan goes smoothly for a couple minutes. Results are spectacular. Even my grandma would flip. I'm cackling with delight. Then my happy world is shattered by a sudden awful burst of white-noise-type static, several seconds in length, that all but obliterates the signal. Then another and another. Woe is me! The static is coming from the MD, and is caused by some sort of motor (it vibrates the unit) that kicks on occasionally for some reason that I presume is very important but is not apparent to me. I tried a longer cable, but the interference traveled right through it to the radio. Can anyone on the list help me make this setup work? Is there some way to filter the interference from the line? Is there something I can do to the MD that will make it knock it off (preferably while preserving its ability to otherwise function)? Is this particular model MD prone to this activity, and should I try a different one? I can return this one for a refund. Your assistance is humbly requested. nark-zssssssssssssssshhhhhhh-spud _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jul 04 20:10:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 5 Jul 2002 03:10:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 86105 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2002 03:10:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2002 03:10:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2002 03:09:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2002 03:09:59 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 03:09:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Minidiscs and Interference---Help!!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1893 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.93.8 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > a sudden awful burst of white-noise-type static, several seconds in > length, that all but obliterates the signal. I have had this problem too with my MiniDisc recorder. Careful positioning of the receiver and the MD recorder can reduce it. I have also discovered that tapping on the case of the MD recorder will often stop the static! Indeed, I have a few recordings of AM and Shortwave in which you hear "SSSH-pop!" from when the static started and then I quickly "caught" it by tapping on the case to stop the static. I think this is from the way an MD recorder works -- first, it fills up its internal memory with your recording, and then after that fills up it starts actually recording the audio to disc. It can also be affected by how much stuff you already have on the disc, and how many times you've erased and changed tracks. An MD can get "fragmented" just like a computer hard drive and the more it's fragmented the more it will jump around from place to place on the disc rather than recording or playing all in one continuous stretch. So, you might have better luck with a fresh, blank disc, or one that has been completely erased. Then you won't have any fragmentation to worry about. Oh, and I know Sony's portable MiniDisc use up batteries fast when recording, but for AM/shortwave you're pretty much stuck with them. The official Sony AC adapter for MD recorders says "Not Recommended For AM Radio", and indeed it is a switching-type power supply which generates broadband RF noise. The best thing you can do is to cut off the plug of this adapter (Sony uses a special type so generic AC adapters won't fit) and then wire it up to the non-noisy power supply of your choice -- which could even be a large-capacity rechargeable 12V "gel cell" battery with a 4.5V regulator on it, if you want to be totally free from AC power noise and hum. From narkspud@hotmail.com Thu Jul 04 22:51:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 5 Jul 2002 05:51:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 80313 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2002 05:51:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2002 05:51:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.135) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2002 05:51:13 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 22:51:13 -0700 Received: from 67.224.21.202 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 05 Jul 2002 05:51:13 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Minidiscs and Interference---Help!!! Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 22:51:13 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2002 05:51:13.0601 (UTC) FILETIME=[F8A89310:01C223E7] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.224.21.202] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud Sounds like you've had the same problems I'm having. I too noticed that tapping or jiggling the MD seems to stop it for a moment, but if you do it more than a couple times, it gets mad and just kicks right back on again. I *was* using blank discs, BTW, as they were the only ones I had. I've determined that the noise isn't as bad on some frequencies as it is on others. And my trusty Terk AM Advantage antenna helps a little. The plan is to get as close to the transmitters as I can without overloading the receiver. Tried it today with Cal-State Fullerton's TIS (the nearest transmitter to my house), but its pathetic 1 watt signal was no match for the MD noise. Or the A100's wide bandwidth, for that matter. :-) A formerly-stereo Asian station, KVNR, is on my way home from work, so they're the guinea pig for tomorrow. I'm thinking of coming up with some way of not actually hooking the radio up directly to the MD player--maybe one of those little FM transmitters they use for car radios--but I wish there was a better alternative, since there will be some sound quality loss. Maybe I'll just get used to very short airchecks. >Oh, and I know Sony's portable MiniDisc use up batteries fast when >recording, but for AM/shortwave you're pretty much stuck with them. I assumed that. I'm not one of those people who feels he's just gotta use the Duracells or Energizers. Off-brand alkaline AA's--even the ugly brown ones at Big Lots--last about 85% as long, but only cost about 25% as much. I'm stocking up. Gotta power the SRF-A100 too, ya know. I gotta say, I'd avoided jumping to yet another format for a long time, being quite happy with my CD-R's and able to go to cassette in a pinch, but I'm impressed with this MD, despite the interference problems. It sounds much better than I expected, and it's mighty convenient once you get the hang of it. >The official Sony AC adapter for MD recorders says "Not Recommended >For AM Radio", and indeed it is a switching-type power supply which >generates broadband RF noise. I think everyone in my neighborhood must have dozens of them plugged in at any given moment. That's why I was dying to get outside with my airchecks. Thanks for the info. narkspud _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Jul 05 00:25:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 5 Jul 2002 07:25:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 14328 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2002 07:25:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2002 07:25:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2002 07:25:48 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.43]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 03:25:18 -0400 Message-ID: <001a01c223f5$3ab9a5c0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Minidiscs and Interference---Help!!! Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 03:26:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 This is a case where sometimes, older technology is better. I LOVE my minidisc, but I am using a high quality cassette walkman to feed my transmitter. Even my MP3 player can make nasty high freq artifacts on some songs that you can't hear thru normal listening, but you hear the "lisp" on a transmitter. (funny, on some songs, it is great- even "Runaway" by Del Shannon with the organ cranking) With my Sony cassette only walkman, the sound is spectacular. I am using an Onkyo 3 head/3 motor deck to make my tapes (a customer brought this one into the shop, and told me to toss it, only because the bill would have been $80.00 to fix it!!) Needless to say, I scapped it right up. cc From KC4QLP@aol.com Fri Jul 05 10:00:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 5 Jul 2002 17:00:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 35259 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2002 17:00:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2002 17:00:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2002 17:00:43 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.125.131e76e0 (4328) for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 13:00:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <125.131e76e0.2a572ab2@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 13:00:34 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Minidiscs and Interference---Help!!! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 7/5/02 1:52:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, narkspud@hotmail.com writes: << Sounds like you've had the same problems I'm having. I too noticed that tapping or jiggling the MD seems to stop it for a moment, but if you do it more than a couple times, it gets mad and just kicks right back on again. I *was* using blank discs, BTW, as they were the only ones I had. >> Have you tryed to disconnect the audio cable from the radio to the Minidisc player/recorder....and running the minidisc unit to see if you still get the noise? I'm trying to determine if the noise is being radiated through the air or though your audio cable and then finding its way into the radio receiver...killing your reception. If the problem goes away with the audio cable disconnected from the radio.....try this on for size. Transmit that audio from the radio through a fm stereo low power transmiiter....then connect the minidisc player/recorder to an fm stereo radio tuned to your transmitters frequency and record interference free radio. Also if your using the cars 12 system...try batteries for the minidisc. If you find though that the static is being radiated through the air...try separating the player and the antenna so they are as far apart as possble...which in a car...that does not give you much space. Hope one of these alternatives work out. 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Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 10:43:58 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2002 17:43:58.0234 (UTC) FILETIME=[8A5DB7A0:01C2244B] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.89.146.146] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud >Have you tryed to disconnect the audio cable from the radio to the Minidisc >player/recorder....and running the minidisc unit to see if you still get >the >noise? Way ahead of you. . .The MD is throwing off interference for only a few inches in every direction, but hook up a wire from the MD to the radio and distance no longer matters--it's always there, even with a 20-foot wire stretched out to the max. Goes away when unhooked. >Transmit that audio from the radio through a fm stereo low power >transmiiter. That's exactly what I've ended up doing. Slight increase in noise floor and distortion, but otherwise it works out quite well. I got one of those SoundFeeder things from Fry's and replaced its unbelievably short antenna with a longer one (size DOES matter) and now everything's cool. Currently using an old analog-tuned cassette walkman to get the FM into the MD, so that's the next area slated for improvement. This is the LA market, after all--not many clean frequencies available. narkspud _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From penry@nortelnetworks.com Fri Jul 05 10:59:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: penry@nortelnetworks.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 5 Jul 2002 17:59:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 56644 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2002 17:59:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2002 17:59:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO zrc2s0jx.nortelnetworks.com) (47.103.122.112) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2002 17:59:56 -0000 Received: from zrc2c011.us.nortel.com (zrc2c011.us.nortel.com [47.103.120.51]) by zrc2s0jx.nortelnetworks.com (Switch-2.2.0/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id g65I08Z10040 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 13:00:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: by zrc2c011.us.nortel.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 12:59:54 -0500 Message-ID: <9596134A623ED511B7790002A5607974034F45AD@zrc2c010.us.nortel.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: {AMSF} Minidiscs and Interference---Help!!! Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 12:59:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) From: "Charles Penry" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=376233 X-Yahoo-Profile: wa5vhu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Narkspud, If the interference goes away or is greatly reduced with the audio cable disconnected then you might try a ferrite choke on the MiniDisc end of the cable, or better yet, one on each end. Radio Shack part numbers 273-104 and 273-105 may work, though I'm not sure how effective these are down at MW frequencies. If these don't help, you could try a Ground Loop Isolator, such as the Radio Shack 270-054, with proper audio adapters. This is a unit with two audio isolation transformers and should not pass your interference, which is MW RF frequencies. Good luck, Charles [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From narkspud@hotmail.com Fri Jul 05 12:46:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 5 Jul 2002 19:46:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 34693 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2002 19:46:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2002 19:46:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.180) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2002 19:46:28 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 12:46:28 -0700 Received: from 67.89.146.146 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 05 Jul 2002 19:46:28 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Minidiscs and Interference---Help!!! Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 12:46:28 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2002 19:46:28.0321 (UTC) FILETIME=[A75BFD10:01C2245C] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.89.146.146] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud Thanks, Charles! >Narkspud, >If the interference goes away or is greatly reduced with the audio cable >disconnected then you might try a ferrite choke on the MiniDisc end of the _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From mychucky@funport.net Fri Jul 05 13:28:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mychucky@funport.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 5 Jul 2002 20:28:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 91296 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2002 20:28:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2002 20:28:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.funport.com) (216.199.19.6) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2002 20:28:06 -0000 Received: from FatMusic2000 ([]) by mail.funport.com (Merak 4.4.3) with SMTP id JFB36580 for ; Fri, 05 Jul 2002 16:26:14 -0400 Message-ID: <002701c22462$a1dee6d0$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Minidiscs and Interference---Help!!! Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 16:29:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85836819 X-Yahoo-Profile: mychucky1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually 4 RF chokes in series with the 20 ft cord on each shield and each hot as close to the minidisk as possible should do the trick. The distributed capacitance of the cable should be enough on the way to the recorder to finish suppressing the Rf. Chuck www.stereoam.com ----- Original Message ----- From: . Narkspud To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 1:43 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Minidiscs and Interference---Help!!! >Have you tryed to disconnect the audio cable from the radio to the Minidisc >player/recorder....and running the minidisc unit to see if you still get >the >noise? Way ahead of you. . .The MD is throwing off interference for only a few inches in every direction, but hook up a wire from the MD to the radio and distance no longer matters--it's always there, even with a 20-foot wire stretched out to the max. Goes away when unhooked. >Transmit that audio from the radio through a fm stereo low power >transmiiter. That's exactly what I've ended up doing. Slight increase in noise floor and distortion, but otherwise it works out quite well. I got one of those SoundFeeder things from Fry's and replaced its unbelievably short antenna with a longer one (size DOES matter) and now everything's cool. Currently using an old analog-tuned cassette walkman to get the FM into the MD, so that's the next area slated for improvement. This is the LA market, after all--not many clean frequencies available. narkspud _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Jul 05 13:39:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 5 Jul 2002 20:39:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 22121 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2002 20:39:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2002 20:39:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14205.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.151) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2002 20:39:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20020705203949.62876.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.190] by web14205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Jul 2002 13:39:49 PDT Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 13:39:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: MiniDisc Maddness To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Wow, I'm not the only one pissed about the Whiz-poof, Whiz-poof of the MD recorder on all but the strongest AMS stations. Unfortunatley, what I've resorted to doing for recordings of CFCO is to record onto a 3-head cassette deck, and THEN dub the cassette to a MiniDisc. I then use the MiniDisc to put in the track marks and get rid of the newscasts. If desired, the MiniDisc is available for a digital dub to CD-R. Much work, but for a good cause. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From mychucky@funport.net Fri Jul 05 13:59:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mychucky@funport.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 5 Jul 2002 20:59:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 17274 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2002 20:59:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2002 20:59:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.funport.com) (216.199.19.6) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2002 20:59:11 -0000 Received: from FatMusic2000 ([]) by mail.funport.com (Merak 4.4.3) with SMTP id JFB36580 for ; Fri, 05 Jul 2002 16:57:19 -0400 Message-ID: <005701c22466$f94d1dc0$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> To: References: <20020705203949.62876.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} MiniDisc Maddness Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 17:00:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85836819 X-Yahoo-Profile: mychucky1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Way tooooo much trouble when the ferrite chokes and the RF Chokes will make it clean. Just wind the cable around the ferrite at least 7 or 8 turns.. I use them to get the RF from our AM and FM stations out of the phones and many other things and that is running 2 kW and 20 kWh fm and it works. Then if you still need more add the chokes. Put the ferrite close to the mini disk. The farther away you put it the more cable can radiate the interference into the air to be picked up by the rest of the cable..By two cause you can put both on next to each other. It may work better if you put one at the minidisk player and then one at the out put of the radio. I say this cause the cable may be picking up the Interference thanks to the cable out of the air rather than the interface coming through the cable. []-----------()-----------------//------------------------()-------[] Radio Ferrite long cable Ferrite Mini Chuck www.stereoam.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Johnny Electron To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 4:39 PM Subject: {AMSF} MiniDisc Maddness Wow, I'm not the only one pissed about the Whiz-poof, Whiz-poof of the MD recorder on all but the strongest AMS stations. Unfortunatley, what I've resorted to doing for recordings of CFCO is to record onto a 3-head cassette deck, and THEN dub the cassette to a MiniDisc. I then use the MiniDisc to put in the track marks and get rid of the newscasts. If desired, the MiniDisc is available for a digital dub to CD-R. Much work, but for a good cause. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jul 05 14:34:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 5 Jul 2002 21:34:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 86654 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2002 21:34:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2002 21:34:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2002 21:34:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2002 21:34:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 21:34:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Minidiscs and Interference---Help!!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001a01c223f5$3ab9a5c0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2863 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.36 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I LOVE my minidisc, but I am using a high quality cassette walkman > to feed my transmitter. Even my MP3 player can make nasty high freq > artifacts on some songs that you can't hear thru normal listening, > but you hear the "lisp" on a transmitter. This is because digital audio has a much greater dynamic range of the treble frequencies than radio transmitters and analog recordings. This allows the "sibilants" in the audio -- when somebody pronounces or sings the letter "S" -- to come through much more strongly, and unless this is limited down to a level that the transmitter can handle, it will cause the "spit" or "lisp" sound (caused by exceeding 100% negative modulation). Cassette recorders, especially on regular Type I tape, will also have this problem, but they usually crudely take care of it by clipping the treble peaks during recording, so on playback you might hear some distortion, but you won't get the "spitting" effect. Pre-recorded cassettes, or those produced on a high quality tape deck, will more gracefully control the treble peaks, very similar to the audio processing that radio stations use. Alfredo Torrejon has his own audio limiter design which he incorporated into the full version of the "Alfredo" (non-Lite) AM Stereo transmitter, or you can use any other audio processing that provides the same effect. This can range from old-fashioned "De-Esser" units to the latest "Optimod"- type audio proce$$ors. There are even programs that can do sophisticated multi-band compression and limiting right on your computer (during MP3 playback), if you have enough CPU power. There is a really fancy one called "MBL4": http://www.burnill.co.uk/mbl4.php?x=19&y=9 ...but it requires a powerful computer (~500 MHz) and is complex to set up. A more simple, yet still very effective solution is the "Dee" plug-in to WinAmp (a popular Windows MP3 player): http://dsp-dee.prv.pl/ Installation is a snap, and it works well on any PC of about 233 MHz or higher. I use these settings for the best sound on my AM Stereo transmitter: Bass Amp: 2 Bass Dyn: Extreme Bass Frq: 80 Hz Mid Amp: 8 Treb Amp: 0 Treb Dyn: Heavy Treb Frq: 8 kHz 3D Amp: 0 Reverb: None AGC On The audio with these settings may sound a bit dull, but that's because it's limiting all of the nasty treble peaks that would make the "spitting" effect. If you still get the "spitting" problem and don't want to reduce the overall loudness to compensate, you can use these more aggressive settings instead: Treb Amp: 3 Treb Dyn: Heavy Treb Frq: 6 kHz You can also fiddle with the 3D and Reverb effects, but keeping them off provides the most natural sound. The only other caveat is that this kind of sophisticated audio processing can make low-quality MP3 files (128 kbps or less) sound worse than they usually do. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jul 05 14:46:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 5 Jul 2002 21:46:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 5489 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2002 21:46:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2002 21:46:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2002 21:46:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2002 21:46:40 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 21:46:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Minidiscs and Interference---Help!!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1362 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.36 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Currently using an old analog-tuned cassette walkman to get the FM > into the MD, so that's the next area slated for improvement. Of you could just use a MetroSound tuner, which rebroadcasts the received AM Stereo into an FM Stereo signal anyway. The MetroSound is an incredibly nice little tuner, and is extremely sensitive, but I believe Chris has sold out his current stock of them. There are still more sitting in a warehouse somewhere, but he'd have to buy 1000 of them at $5 each, or something large-scale like that. Any news on this, Chris? As the story goes, some lady named Lisa, I believe, contacted me a few years ago with this huge inventory of MetroSound AM Stereo tuners she wanted to get rid of, and I put her in touch with Chris, who bought most of them (but not all), and has since resold them to AM Stereo enthusiasts all over the world. The MetroSound dates back to 1985 and this multi-system AM Stereo "converter" was aimed at the Los Angeles area where a high number of AM Stereo stations using different systems (C-Quam, Kahn, Harris, and even Magnavox) were in use. But for some reason, a large number were left sitting in inventory, still in the original boxes, for all these years. A scan of the original MetroSound Owner's Manual can be found here: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kevtronics/met.htm From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Jul 05 16:20:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 5 Jul 2002 23:20:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 80554 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2002 23:20:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2002 23:20:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2002 23:20:56 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.129]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 19:20:29 -0400 Message-ID: <002f01c2247a$a8da8b20$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Minidiscs and Interference---Help!!! Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 19:21:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I know that the Metrosounds are still in California... I have not pursued them, as the original 200 I had gotten took nearly 3 years to sell off, and towards the end, the interest was nil. At this point, most everyone that wanted one has one. They were good tuners, despite their drifty nature, and I still use mine to DX with, but as technology advances, people want something that looks a little more up to date. I thought of buying them, gutting them, and making a new radio, but opted for my AM FM one that needs a case.... Now, if (when) this iBOC stuff all goes away, and the market shows a renewed interest, I will sink some money into a case for my radio... like everyone else in the industry, i am playing "wait and see" I still have great hopes for Ramsey, btw... The interest in the Alfredo Lites has never died down. CC From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jul 05 19:46:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 02:46:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 59547 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 02:46:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 02:46:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 02:46:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2002 02:46:48 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 02:46:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Marantz AM Stereo receiver on eBay Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 476 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.36 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics The following link is a Marantz SR940 receiver/amplifier (100 watts per channel!) on eBay. The SR940 was the only model of the SR series to come with AM Stereo as a standard feature (rather than as a rare optional plug-in module). This is the Gold edition; I've seen other SR940's that are black in color: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1363352809 Starting bid is US$135... Buy It Now for US$199. A very classy high-end receiver with AM Stereo! From kfornal@loa.com Fri Jul 05 19:55:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kfornal@loa.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 02:55:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 38749 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 02:55:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 02:55:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao04.cox.net) (68.1.17.241) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 02:55:53 -0000 Received: from OMNIBOOK ([68.9.127.164]) by lakemtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020706025552.ZLY4949.lakemtao04.cox.net@OMNIBOOK> for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 22:55:52 -0400 To: Subject: Panasonic AM Stereo Pack ??? Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 22:55:41 -0400 Message-ID: <001401c22498$a0ec60f0$0401a8c0@OMNIBOOK> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Keith Fornal" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110312140 X-Yahoo-Profile: theradboy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What is this? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=1364506048 Keith Fornal Treasurer Dutch Island Lighthouse Society www.dutchislandlighthouse.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jul 05 21:41:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 04:41:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 94947 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 04:41:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 04:41:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 04:41:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2002 04:41:10 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 04:41:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Alfredo Lite by Kenneke Comm.? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1105 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.36 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics It looks like this company, Kenneke Communications, is trying to sell the "Alfredo Lite" low-power AM Stereo transmitter for $149.95 each (scroll down on the page to see it): http://www.kenneke.com/kits.html The description they give is almost word-for-word the same as how Chris Cuff described it in one of his eBay auctions, and the picture they use is Chris's as well. Kenneke does give a link to the www.AMStereoRadio.com web site... but what's the deal here? Are they just trying to re-sell Alfredo Lite(s) that they may have bought from Chris -- at a higher price -- or have they actually copied the circuit design and are making it on their own? Note that their web page featuring this "AM Stereo C-Quam Transmitter" was last updated on March 24, 2002, so they've had it there for a while now. Don't get me wrong... it would be *great* to have a company "mass- producing" AM Stereo equipment like this (although Ramsey would be preferably because of their greater popularity)... but it should at least be done with the authorization of the people who designed this equipment! From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Jul 05 23:26:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 06:26:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 60283 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 06:26:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 06:26:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 06:26:42 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-52.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.52]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g666NvIh027502 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 01:23:59 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <005a01c224b6$b539b120$d3a9fea9@me> To: Subject: braid and shielding Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 01:31:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey all. I just installed one of those high powered Jacobs Electronics ignition systems in my Pathfinder, and it has certainly improved the gas mileage. It has also killed AM reception when the motor is running. I need to find two things- some braided copper strap to better bond the hood to the rest of the body, and some braided copper that I can slip over the plug wires. Any of you know any good sources for this stuff? Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jul 05 23:58:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 06:58:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 31560 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 06:58:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 06:58:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 06:58:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2002 06:58:19 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 06:58:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: braid and shielding Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005a01c224b6$b539b120$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1402 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.36 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Jacobs Electronics ignition systems in my Pathfinder, and it has > certainly improved the gas mileage. It has also killed AM reception > when the motor is running. Amongst myself, my family, and friends, I've dealt with four different gas-engine Volkswagens in which I could never eliminate or even reduce the spark plug noise on AM, even with OEM plugs and wires that are supposed to have "interference suppresion" resistors built in. Then I bought a diesel VW, and suddenly I was treated to totally quiet AM radio, with no difference in background noise from when the engine is on or off! Chalk it up to the fact that diesel engines don't use a spark ignition system -- the fuel is compressed highly enough that it ignites itself (and gives me 46 MPG in the process). Obviously I can't help specifically, since I took the easy way out, but I've noticed that recent Chrysler and Ford vehicles are 95% noise-free on AM with the engine on, so they might have some "secret" to it, or it could just be careful design of the associated components, which Jacobs seems to have ignored in the favour of highest possible engine performance. BTW, how is FM? On one of the aforementioned gas-engine VWs, I could hear the spark plug noise even on FM, on certain frequencies. In addition, sometimes I drive under power lines that are buzzy/noisy on *FM*, but totally quiet on AM... odd! From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Jul 06 00:09:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 07:09:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 4841 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 07:09:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 07:09:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 07:09:19 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.26]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 03:08:01 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c224bc$16b4e280$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <001401c22498$a0ec60f0$0401a8c0@OMNIBOOK> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Panasonic AM Stereo Pack ??? Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 03:09:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Heh heh... It is an old AM mono tuner pack that was put into an 8 track tape deck so you could have radio reception. The "stereo" part is just the fact that the 8 tracks were stereo. They also made an FM stereo pack, and a combo am/fm one as well. The audio was coupled to the head of the 8 track by using a matching head in the slide in pack, and the power was supplied by a 9 volt battery, and sometimes by the track changer post inside the deck... sigh.. I wish I wasn't old enough to remember this stuff.. LOL.. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Fornal From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Jul 06 00:57:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 07:57:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 95738 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 07:57:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 07:57:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 07:57:30 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.26]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 03:56:13 -0400 Message-ID: <003101c224c2$d27f2b00$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite by Kenneke Comm.? Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 03:57:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I have seen this before- I very much doubt he is doing these on his own. I have always sold mine at a non profit price, and just to have the boards made would make this impossible to reproduce, even at $149.00. He "may" have been trying to sell them, buying them from me if he got an order, but If anyone ever saw them, they came to me and bought them directly from me. I only made these as a vehicle to spread the word on am stereo. Profit was never part of the initial plan. My idea was always to get an awareness built FIRST- then make items that might be profit making later. John was at one time trying to help make this a frequency agile transmitter, but the plans were apparently forgotten. Kinda sad to know that there are capable people that "could" help the cause, but the old "what's in it for me" syndrome kicks in..... so goes the battle. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Sat Jul 06 01:29:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 08:29:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 60681 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 08:29:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 08:29:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 08:29:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2002 08:29:47 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 08:29:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: FS: Sony ST-JX220A Tuner Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 192 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.132.231.238 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 Hi. I've decided to sell my Sony ST-JX220A Tuner. It's in mint condition and the LCD bulb has been replaced. Open to best offer. Picture of the unit is in the Photos section. Thanks, Matt H From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Jul 06 08:12:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 15:12:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 10086 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 15:12:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 15:12:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 15:12:47 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-96.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.96]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g66FA1Ih017659 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 10:10:02 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001701c22500$33b4a660$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: braid and shielding Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 10:17:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude There's a little, but it isn't noticeable until the signal is very weak. I installed a set of the best plug wires money can buy and noticed a drop in the interference before doing the final Jacobs hook-up. I'd hate to think of how much worse it would be if I hadn't gotten those. There are times that it does get quiet at least on moderate signals, which leads me to believe there is something that's coming ungrounded much of the time. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevtronics" > BTW, how is FM? On one of the aforementioned gas-engine VWs, I could > hear the spark plug noise even on FM, on certain frequencies. In > addition, sometimes I drive under power lines that are buzzy/noisy on > *FM*, but totally quiet on AM... odd! From mychucky@funport.net Sat Jul 06 08:34:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mychucky@funport.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 15:34:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 27544 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 15:34:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 15:34:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.funport.com) (216.199.19.6) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 15:34:00 -0000 Received: from FatMusic2000 ([]) by mail.funport.com (Merak 4.4.3) with SMTP id JFB36580 for ; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 11:32:13 -0400 Message-ID: <008e01c22502$b5e8f260$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> To: References: <001701c22500$33b4a660$d3a9fea9@me> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: braid and shielding Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 11:35:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85836819 X-Yahoo-Profile: mychucky1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FYI, copper strap is way over rated any flexible / stranded #8 or even #10 will do with terminals SOLDERED TO THE WIRE then screwed to the hood and numerous body parts, of course don't forget the engine block.. Don't forget the EXHAUST PIPE TOO. Some body parts my be on insulated grommets. Now if you really want braided for around the spark plug wires, Get some old RG11 or RG8 coax and cut it into 2 or 3 ft lengths strip off the outer covering and pull the inner out and you have instant braided copper. Chuck www.stereoam.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 11:17 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: braid and shielding There's a little, but it isn't noticeable until the signal is very weak. I installed a set of the best plug wires money can buy and noticed a drop in the interference before doing the final Jacobs hook-up. I'd hate to think of how much worse it would be if I hadn't gotten those. There are times that it does get quiet at least on moderate signals, which leads me to believe there is something that's coming ungrounded much of the time. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevtronics" > BTW, how is FM? On one of the aforementioned gas-engine VWs, I could > hear the spark plug noise even on FM, on certain frequencies. In > addition, sometimes I drive under power lines that are buzzy/noisy on > *FM*, but totally quiet on AM... odd! Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Jul 06 10:37:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 17:37:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 43895 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 17:37:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 17:37:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m07.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.162) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 17:37:57 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.59.1de497f1 (3310) for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 13:37:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <59.1de497f1.2a5884ee@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 13:37:50 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite by Kenneke Comm.? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 7/6/02 3:57:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ccuff@in4web.com writes: << John was at one time trying to help make this a frequency agile transmitter, but the plans were apparently forgotten. Kinda sad to know that there are capable people that "could" help the cause, but the old "what's in it for me" syndrome kicks in..... so goes the battle. CC >> Taking a look through the web site...I see many items that are from Ramsey! and other places that I've seen before...and the transmitter does look like the one that was shown on amstereoradio.com Looks like we have a copy cat or reseller here folks. 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Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 13:12:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude While it would be nice if this person would be within our fold and not copying or reselling, I guess the cause is great enough that I'm grateful there's someone else out there creating more opportunities for the public to learn about AMS. I saw that transmitter and website posted on the Community Radio (a part 15) message board a few days ago. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: > Looks like we have a copy cat or reseller here folks. From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Jul 06 11:15:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 18:15:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 11081 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 18:15:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 18:15:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d08.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 18:15:07 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.17d.ab1f792 (3310) for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 14:15:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <17d.ab1f792.2a588da9@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 14:15:05 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: braid and shielding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 7/6/02 11:13:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, stodd@sherbtel.net writes: << There's a little, but it isn't noticeable until the signal is very weak. I installed a set of the best plug wires money can buy and noticed a drop in the interference before doing the final Jacobs hook-up. I'd hate to think of how much worse it would be if I hadn't gotten those. There are times that it does get quiet at least on moderate signals, which leads me to believe there is something that's coming ungrounded much of the time. ST >> Hey Scott, I've had this problem myself with a Nissan ....I've bonded the hood,front fenders,negative battery post and the chassis of the car together.All that is left is to run some braid from the engine block to the rest of whats been done...then I should be done with my noise. My igintion interference was so bad at one time that if you listen close enough..you would hear the crackle pop sitting in the parking lot here at the station! Now its only a little crackle when trying to hear stations when they get down to the 35uV level. One thing is for certain...I can tell when its time to change the plugs,wires,cap and rotor button...the noise comes back way before the gas mileage starts dropping. Anyhow..good luck with it...if push comes to shove...open the floor board and get a good pair of shoes...Yaaabaadaabaadooo! ...lol You'll have wonderful gas mileage and excellent noise free reception. 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He DOES think XM and Sirius will take off. >> I was in Wal-Mart today...killing time between the NASCAR Craftmans Truck race and tonights NASCAR Winston Cup Pepsi 400....and checked out the demo of the XM satellite radio... I was not impressed.It's just like listening to cable TV or any other satellite formated radio station transmitted to an FM channel on a radio. Anyone curious enough..it was transmitted on 88.7..so while traveling down the highway,you might hear someones XM satellite radio programing...depending on how the signal is feed to the radio..{over the air or through a cable...FM channel operation probably varies..who knows} Sound quality was basically the same as your everyday FM station without the major processing. I'll definately stick to AM/FM radio and save my 20 or so dollars a month. Also the operation of the system seemed to be a little bit much ffor your everyday run of the mill non-techincal radio user...one guy was fiddling with it and couldnt even figure out how to use the thing...much less no sense enough to figure out that the satellite tuner was transmitting to the FM radio...he gave up and walked away...coming back to me saying.."I couldnt figure out how to operate that thing".It will interesting to see how many receivers get sold. If XM can be any sort of a let down and such a complicated system to use...people will have nothing to IBOC..that I can guarantee. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1413 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.146 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I just found this message in a Usenet Newsgroup and it is confusing me. Anybody know the real deal with 580 CKWW? From what I am trying to understand from this message, CKWW is broadcasting in the new DAB radio band (separate from AM and FM -- *not* IBOC DAB), and they apparently also use AM Stereo on their main AM signal. However, I do not have CKWW on my latest list of Canadian AM Stereo stations. Also, is DAB in Canada going anywhere? It's been around for a while, but I haven't heard any great publicity about it -- or about the DAB in Europe, for that matter. Apparently even if it is in "crystal clear digital Stereo sound" (via MP2 audio that can be a bit dodgy at lower bit-rates), most people just aren't that interested in it, compounded by the rarity and expense of DAB receivers. ===================================================================== Subject: Re: DAB Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 18:41:52 -0400 From: "Abb Naklie" Organization: Bell Sympatico Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Hi, There's actually a local AM radio station that started broadcasting in DAB (as well as regular am) - CKWW 580 KHz. Last night when I was listening to it, right after the DAB commercial they said they were now broadcasting in DAB. They claim FM sound quality an AM. This station also broadcasts in AM stereo as well. -- Take Care Abb VE3003SWL (SWL CallSign) From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Jul 06 18:53:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Jul 2002 01:53:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 17733 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 01:53:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2002 01:53:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m07.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.162) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 01:53:17 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 1.dc.198ef3b5 (3310); Sat, 6 Jul 2002 21:53:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 21:53:11 EDT Subject: Re:DAB and CKWW To: abbnaklie@sympatico.ca Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp <> Hello Abb, I was just reading your post that was forwarded to another email list and was curious about CKWW. I'm part of a few list that are geared towards AM Stereo radio stations and no one has any information on CKWW regarding their stereo operation.Where is the station located and do you have an am stereo receiver to listen to CKWW to confirm whether they are indeed stereo? Take care Abb....join the am stereo folks at yahoo.com if you wish...we would be happy to have you aboard http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum BTW..if you do not have an am stereo receiver and you can not find any where you live..checkout stereoam.com ...many am stereo receivers can be found and bought there. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 19:09:44 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2002 02:09:45.0306 (UTC) FILETIME=[5D0B2BA0:01C2255B] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.224.23.220] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud Tried the Ferrite Chokes and the Ground Loop Isolator. No effect. So far I have two solutions that work: physically separating the two items using a little FM transmitter, and or sitting in the station transmitter shack's parking lot thus blasting the radio with enough RF to overcome the interference. narkspud >Narkspud, >If the interference goes away or is greatly reduced with the audio cable >disconnected then you might try a ferrite choke on the MiniDisc end of the >cable, or better yet, one on each end. Radio Shack part numbers 273-104 >and >273-105 may work, though I'm not sure how effective these are down at MW >frequencies. If these don't help, you could try a Ground Loop Isolator, >such as the Radio Shack 270-054, with proper audio adapters. This is a >unit >with two audio isolation transformers and should not pass your >interference, >which is MW RF frequencies. > >Good luck, > >Charles > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Jul 06 19:18:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Jul 2002 02:18:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 71072 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 02:18:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2002 02:18:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 02:18:52 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.179.ad76e59 (3310) for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 22:18:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <179.ad76e59.2a58ff01@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 22:18:41 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Minidiscs and Interference---Help!!! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 7/6/02 10:10:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, narkspud@hotmail.com writes: << Tried the Ferrite Chokes and the Ground Loop Isolator. No effect. So far I have two solutions that work: physically separating the two items using a little FM transmitter, and or sitting in the station transmitter shack's parking lot thus blasting the radio with enough RF to overcome the interference. narkspud >> Good luck Narkspud and have fun with the minidiscs. Computers and "computer type" devices are nice..but the wide band of noise they generate certainly is a draw back. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 745 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.146 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Tried the Ferrite Chokes and the Ground Loop Isolator. No effect.=20=20 It must be at least partly dependent on which model of MiniDisc=20 recorder you have, because mine (a Sony of course, I will have to look=20 up the model # when I get my hands on it) only very rarely gets into=20 fits of "hissing" noises. Here are some MP3 recordings of shortwave radio that I made from my=20 vintage Hallicrafters radio, connected directly to my MiniDisc=20 recorder with just a plain cable, and there are no loud "hisses" to be=20 heard -- although it does happen *sometimes*.... there are two "band=20 scan" recordings and one of "Radio Exterior de Espa=F1a" in very high=20 fidelity Shortwave sound (nearly FM quality!): http://rvcc2.raritanval.edu/ktek9053/s38c/ From n0uiheric@aol.com Sat Jul 06 23:53:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Jul 2002 06:53:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 26597 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 06:53:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2002 06:53:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r08.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.104) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 06:53:47 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.130.10d3f7c0 (4362) for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 02:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <130.10d3f7c0.2a593f74@aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 02:53:40 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sirius / XM / IBOC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih I'm glad I haven't heard the crap that Sirius and XM have...I'm happy with DMX (Digital Music eXpress) on Charter Digital Cable, thank you very much! I don't think IBOC will fly, either...I think it's time the FCC and corporate radio give up on IBOC, and keep AM and FM analog. Both bands are fine the way they are. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sat Jul 06 23:59:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Jul 2002 06:59:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 2657 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 06:59:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2002 06:59:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 06:59:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2002 06:59:32 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 06:59:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Minidiscs and Interference---Help!!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 957 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.134 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., ". Narkspud" wrote: > Tried the Ferrite Chokes and the Ground Loop Isolator. No effect. So far I > have two solutions that work: physically separating the two items using a > little FM transmitter, and or sitting in the station transmitter shack's > parking lot thus blasting the radio with enough RF to overcome the > interference. > > narkspud > I've had the same problem with my AM radio connected to my computer. I first tried a 25' patch cord with the radio all the way acroos the room but that didn't work so I got a large torroid and wrapped the patch cord around it several times, no luck either. I'm beginning to think that the only way to connect the two together is to do it optically. I had thought of doing some kind of wireless infrared transceiver setup to get aroung the problem. For right now I am using my analog cassette deck to record and then play it back into my computer. JSG From badlhoch@hotmail.com Sun Jul 07 05:57:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: badlhoch@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Jul 2002 12:57:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 65992 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 12:57:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2002 12:57:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.54) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 12:57:03 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 05:57:03 -0700 Received: from 68.41.208.108 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 07 Jul 2002 12:57:02 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 580 CKWW? Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 08:57:02 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2002 12:57:03.0076 (UTC) FILETIME=[CA289240:01C225B5] From: "Bill Adlhoch" X-Originating-IP: [68.41.208.108] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59104360 CKWW is not and never has been in stereo ----Original Message Follows---- From: "kevtronics" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} 580 CKWW? Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 01:07:14 -0000 I just found this message in a Usenet Newsgroup and it is confusing me. Anybody know the real deal with 580 CKWW? From what I am trying to understand from this message, CKWW is broadcasting in the new DAB radio band (separate from AM and FM -- *not* IBOC DAB), and they apparently also use AM Stereo on their main AM signal. However, I do not have CKWW on my latest list of Canadian AM Stereo stations. Also, is DAB in Canada going anywhere? It's been around for a while, but I haven't heard any great publicity about it -- or about the DAB in Europe, for that matter. Apparently even if it is in "crystal clear digital Stereo sound" (via MP2 audio that can be a bit dodgy at lower bit-rates), most people just aren't that interested in it, compounded by the rarity and expense of DAB receivers. ===================================================================== Subject: Re: DAB Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 18:41:52 -0400 From: "Abb Naklie" Organization: Bell Sympatico Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Hi, There's actually a local AM radio station that started broadcasting in DAB (as well as regular am) - CKWW 580 KHz. Last night when I was listening to it, right after the DAB commercial they said they were now broadcasting in DAB. They claim FM sound quality an AM. This station also broadcasts in AM stereo as well. -- Take Care Abb VE3003SWL (SWL CallSign) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sun Jul 07 09:26:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Jul 2002 16:26:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 64452 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 16:26:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2002 16:26:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 16:26:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2002 16:26:19 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 16:26:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Carver 2000 on eBay for those with deep pockets Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 62 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1365174522 From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sun Jul 07 11:04:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Jul 2002 18:04:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 4664 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 18:04:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2002 18:04:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 18:04:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2002 18:04:27 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 18:04:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: TM-152 on Ebay (ends today) Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 147 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1363640033 It is listen incorrectly as an AM/FM tuner. It is the 152 if you look at the pic. From abbnaklie@yahoo.com Sun Jul 07 11:50:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: abbnaklie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Jul 2002 18:50:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 34518 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 18:50:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2002 18:50:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 18:50:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2002 18:50:03 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 18:50:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 580 CKWW? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 629 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "abbnaklie" X-Originating-IP: 67.68.221.81 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Bill Adlhoch" wrote: > > CKWW is not and never has been in stereo > Hi, I'm the one here in Windsor that posted the message in the shortwave newsgroup. I've been a regular listener to CKWW for well over 5 years and it seems to me I've heard them mention it in the past. I couldn't find any info in last year's copy of WRTH I have. Anyway, to settle this argument, I've emailed them and asked them. When I get a reply I'll post it. Perhaps I'm mixing up the fact that they webcast in stereo and not broadcast in stereo. I'll have an answer in hte next few days. Take Care Abb From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jul 07 12:02:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Jul 2002 19:02:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 22162 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 19:02:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2002 19:02:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 19:02:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2002 19:02:04 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 19:02:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Minidiscs and Interference---Help!!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 767 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.68.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I've had the same problem with my AM radio connected to my computer. Connecting any AM or Shortwave radio directly to a computer is never a good thing. Most computers are only rated FCC Class B, which is for Business use and thus leaks out a lot more RF noise, especially the newer computers with plastic cases. I'm lucky to have my computer in a rugged metal case (actually an old IBM AT case from the '80s in which I installed newer components), and the only thing on it that really generates RF noise is the monitor, which produces annoying oscillator whines even on an AM radio at the other end of the room. My older Mitsubishi "Diamond Scan" monitor has much better shielding but unfortunately does not support the higher resolutions that I use. From narkspud@hotmail.com Sun Jul 07 12:10:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Jul 2002 19:10:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 30723 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 19:10:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2002 19:10:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.16.135) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 19:10:36 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 12:10:36 -0700 Received: from 67.89.146.146 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 07 Jul 2002 19:10:36 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Minidiscs and Interference---Help!!! Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 12:10:36 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2002 19:10:36.0324 (UTC) FILETIME=[F97ECE40:01C225E9] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.89.146.146] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud Wondring to myself if maybe my SRF-A100 itself may be part of the culprit. I doubt they'd planned for it to be hooked up to a minidisc player. . . . . narkspud _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun Jul 07 12:19:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Jul 2002 19:19:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 39180 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 19:19:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2002 19:19:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 19:19:15 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d215-osel-phx.fastq.com [207.173.146.76]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g67JJEn48267 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 12:19:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <01bb01c225e9$861dc1e0$78f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} TM-152 on Ebay (ends today) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 12:07:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > It is listen incorrectly as an AM/FM tuner. It is the 152 if you > look at the pic. Rats! Narkpud bid on it! Kevin From narkspud@hotmail.com Sun Jul 07 12:26:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Jul 2002 19:26:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 56870 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 19:26:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2002 19:26:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.191) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 19:26:14 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 12:26:14 -0700 Received: from 67.89.146.146 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 07 Jul 2002 19:26:14 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} TM-152 on Ebay (ends today) Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 12:26:14 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2002 19:26:14.0642 (UTC) FILETIME=[28C6C520:01C225EC] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.89.146.146] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud >Rats! > >Narkpud bid on it! > >Kevin > Feel free to outbid. My bid isn't going higher than it already is. narkspud (is this insider trading) _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun Jul 07 12:38:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Jul 2002 19:38:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 12651 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 19:38:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2002 19:38:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 19:38:04 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d215-osel-phx.fastq.com [207.173.146.76]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g67Jc3n48497 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 12:38:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <01f101c225ec$1d9e0500$78f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} TM-152 on Ebay (ends today) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 12:25:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Feel free to outbid. My bid isn't going higher than it already is. Long before we had this list, on another list, all the people on the other list made a pact not to bid against someone else on the list who was going after a stereo radio. I have still followed that pact here. If you get outbid by someone else, I may try for it but I won't bid unless that happens. Kevin From narkspud@hotmail.com Sun Jul 07 12:47:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Jul 2002 19:47:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 65106 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 19:47:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2002 19:47:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.63) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 19:47:03 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 12:47:03 -0700 Received: from 67.89.146.146 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 07 Jul 2002 19:47:03 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} TM-152 on Ebay (ends today) Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 12:47:03 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2002 19:47:03.0551 (UTC) FILETIME=[112F28F0:01C225EF] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.89.146.146] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud >Long before we had this list, on another list, all the people on the other >list made a pact not to bid against someone else on the list who was going >after a stereo radio. I have still followed that pact here. > >If you get outbid by someone else, I may try for it but I won't bid unless >that happens. > >Kevin Ah. . .that's cool. What I'm *really* after is the next nice TX-11a that shows up (with good seller feedback of course). I bought a "fixer upper" Carver Receiver 2000 a while back and it's proving to be trouble-prone, and I should be able to pick up a nice TX-11a for about what it costs to repair the 2000 (again). The 2000 will be on eBay shortly after I take delivery of the 11a. Let one of those technically-inclined people mess with it! Like I said, that Realistic ain't going higher on my account, so if you change your mind, go for it. I'll tell the list you have permission, if you'd like. narkspud _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Jul 07 12:59:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Jul 2002 19:59:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 502 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 19:59:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2002 19:59:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14203.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.145) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 19:59:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20020707195918.90951.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.190] by web14203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Jul 2002 12:59:18 PDT Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 12:59:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: CKWW - can any Canadians help us convince them! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I've begged the engineer at CKWW 580 to transmit with AM stereo, but he says no stereo STL yadayadayada, 10,000 reasons why he shouldn't (obviously they have s stereo STL to the DAB transmitter!). CKWW IS indeed on the Windsor DAB system in stereo. It's a shame what The CHUM Group did - they took the music off of 50KW powerhouse 800KHz CKLW Windsor and turned-off the AM stereo and put talk crap on it. They moved the music to their whimpy 500watt transmitter on 580KHz, and left it go. What's hillarious is looking at the Detroit ratings - 50KW CKLW (talk) is barely 0.5 while 500W CKWW (music) is 3.0 - six times more listeners - DUH - why don't they flip formats and flip the Harris stereo exciter back-on at CKLW - the 1st station in North America to broadcast a sporting event in stereo AM! 580 CKWW and 740 CHWO both should be in stereo with their excellent stereo formats. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun Jul 07 16:24:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Jul 2002 23:24:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 40043 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 23:24:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2002 23:24:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 23:24:35 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d111-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.143]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g67NOYn53831 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 16:24:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <020b01c2260b$3dc1c500$78f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} TM-152 on Ebay (ends today) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 16:08:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Ah. . .that's cool. What I'm *really* after is the next nice TX-11a that > shows up (with good seller feedback of course TX-11a or not, you won the TM-152 for $10.50. Congrats! Kevin From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jul 07 17:18:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Jul 2002 00:18:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 33320 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2002 00:18:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2002 00:18:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2002 00:18:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2002 00:18:35 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 00:18:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: TM-152 on Ebay (ends today) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <020b01c2260b$3dc1c500$78f9bed8@kredding430cdt> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1628 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.68.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > TX-11a or not, you won the TM-152 for $10.50. That's a great bargain if it works well! I also noticed that the seller is in Piscataway, NJ... about 10 minutes away from where I live, so if I had bid on it for $11.00 I could have picked it up and saved myself the $15 shipping cost. Oh well -- good it see it going to a good home anyway. And don't forget to do the super-simple audio output modification -- you can bypass its audio output circuitry and tap directly into the Left and Right outputs of the MC13020 C-Quam decoder, for superior audio fidelity, with better bass response. All that is needed is two scraps of wire and some basic soldering skills. Simply snip out (remove) resistors R25 and R26, and snip out the connections where the TM-152's circuit board connects to the center pins of the audio output jacks. Connect a wire from the pin of where R25 used to be that is closer to the MC13020 chip, to the Left output jack. Do the same for ex-R26 to the Right output. That's it! Also, the TM-152 is pretty much "deaf" without a good outdoor antenna. Even a Select-A-Tenna or Terk AM Advantage loop antenna isn't of much help. It just seems to like having a couple dozen feet of wire hooked up to it to pull in anything more than strong, local signals. But once you do that, its sensitivity is actually quite good -- some of my best *daytime* DXing has been on a TM-152. Finally, somewhere I have a GIF image of the TM-152's schematic circuit diagram, which will be helpful to the techies here. When I find it I'll upload it to the Files section of the AM Stereo Forum web site. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jul 07 18:30:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Jul 2002 01:30:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 70247 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2002 01:30:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2002 01:30:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2002 01:30:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2002 01:30:14 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 01:30:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Web site update Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 295 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.68.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I have just updated www.AMStereoRadio.com with new station listings, additional pictures of home and car radios, and a link to the www.stereoam.com web site on the Resources page. Check it out! The Official AM Stereo Web Site Now with over 106,587 visitors http://www.amstereoradio.com/ From narkspud@hotmail.com Sun Jul 07 18:31:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Jul 2002 01:31:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 71617 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2002 01:31:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2002 01:31:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.114) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2002 01:31:44 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 18:31:44 -0700 Received: from 67.224.44.89 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 01:31:43 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: TM-152 on Ebay (ends today) Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 18:31:43 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2002 01:31:44.0018 (UTC) FILETIME=[37B3FF20:01C2261F] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.224.44.89] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud Hoo! Careful what you wish for! Never DREAMED I'd actually WIN the thing, but I'm glad I did, and at a price where I won't be so afraid of playing Frankenstein. One of these days I'll have to start uploading some airchecks. With bonus MiniDisc static. >And don't forget to do the super-simple audio output modification -- I CAN DO THIS! I CAN DO THIS! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! narkspud _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From shelswartz@yahoo.com Sun Jul 07 19:48:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: shelswartz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Jul 2002 02:48:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 27952 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2002 02:48:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2002 02:48:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14909.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.225.61) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2002 02:48:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20020708024847.36155.qmail@web14909.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.86.168.70] by web14909.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Jul 2002 19:48:47 PDT Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 19:48:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Web site update To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Shel Swartz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91652391 X-Yahoo-Profile: shelswartz EXCELLENT update! Great colors, too! WONDERFUL work! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Sun Jul 07 20:08:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Jul 2002 03:08:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 70028 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2002 03:08:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2002 03:08:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2002 03:08:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2002 03:08:26 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 03:08:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Converting TEAC T-H500 Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 826 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.139.94.84 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 I remember seeing a TEAC T-H500 tuner converted to AM Stereo in the photos section. I was wondering who did that? I bought a TEAC Reference 500 system complete with Amp, CD, Tape, MD, Tuner and matching TEAC speakers for $500 CDN tax included (15% in Ontario!). The old guy at a pawn shop who sold it to me "has never heard of it" and obviously didn't realize that a complete 500 system can go for $1200 with the MD and Tape included. The front panels are gold- finished aluminum and the speaker boxes are piano-finish black and the speaker cones are gold. Absolutly beautiful units and quite a decent tuner I might add. The AM Section seems to be of good quality but is of course strickly low-bandwidth mono. I'd like to convert this and sell of my old Sony equipment including the ST-JX220A tuner. Thanks, MattH From bjackson@wthr.com Sun Jul 07 20:09:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@wthr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Jul 2002 03:09:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 6039 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2002 03:09:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2002 03:09:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2002 03:09:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2002 03:09:12 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 03:09:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: TM-152 on Ebay (ends today) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1946 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 199.250.151.186 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Hello everyone...A new user to the forum here. I just found this forum and the amstereoradio.com site Sunday afternoon. Fantastic! I LOVE the sound of AMS...I grew up in Columbus, IN listening to 1010 WCSI and 840 WHAS in stereo. Today, I own a Carver tx-11a, MCS 3050, GE SR III (Not stereo I know, but sounds nice), and have stereo in my car. Working in radio (Susquehanna), I love how many people still believe that stereo cuts coverage area!!! A couple of comments... 1) Also on Eb-bay, a MCS 3050 am stereo receiver. 2) If the person in charge of the amstereoradio.com site is here, there are a couple of updates for Indiana stations... 1070 WIBC - At one time was stereo 24/7. Then a couple of years ago they went to stereo on night power only. When they moved into the Emmis Communications hq in d-t Indy, they lost all seperation, but were still putting out a pilot. As of about 6 months ago or so, they turned it off. 1430 WXNT (Used to be WMYS) When they were Beautiful Music, they had a great stereo signal (In fact, I think they were one of the Harris Test stations in the early 80's). But, late 2001 they dropped music for News/Talk (Hence wxNT) and dropped stereo. 1460 WNVI When purchased by Findley Publishing, they dropped the pilot. -Brad --- In amstereoforum@y..., ". Narkspud" wrote: > Hoo! Careful what you wish for! Never DREAMED I'd actually WIN the thing, > but I'm glad I did, and at a price where I won't be so afraid of playing > Frankenstein. One of these days I'll have to start uploading some > airchecks. With bonus MiniDisc static. > > >And don't forget to do the super-simple audio output modification - - > > I CAN DO THIS! I CAN DO THIS! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! > > narkspud > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From narkspud@hotmail.com Sun Jul 07 20:27:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Jul 2002 03:27:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 34315 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2002 03:27:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2002 03:27:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2002 03:27:11 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 20:27:11 -0700 Received: from 67.224.44.7 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 03:27:10 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: TM-152 on Ebay (ends today) Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 20:27:10 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2002 03:27:11.0180 (UTC) FILETIME=[589D08C0:01C2262F] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.224.44.7] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud Welcome, welcome! narkspud >Hello everyone...A new user to the forum here. I just found this >forum and the amstereoradio.com site Sunday afternoon. Fantastic! I _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From bjackson@wthr.com Mon Jul 08 03:28:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@wthr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Jul 2002 10:28:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 72131 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2002 10:28:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2002 10:28:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2002 10:28:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2002 10:28:26 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 10:28:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Monday Morning DX Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 442 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 206.246.142.146 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Good morning. I thought I would ask this question here, since many of you dx. This morning, around 3:45am Indiana time, I heard techno/dance music...I only got it for about 5 minutes before a country station over took it. The sweeper I heard was "Hot Dance 1540." Obviously it was AM 1540. I did trigger the stereo light on my Carver tx-11a, but so did the country station so I don't know if it really stereo or not. Any ideas? -Brad From badlhoch@hotmail.com Mon Jul 08 04:05:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: badlhoch@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Jul 2002 11:05:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 93795 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2002 11:05:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2002 11:05:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.203) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2002 11:05:16 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 04:05:16 -0700 Received: from 68.41.208.108 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 11:05:16 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 580 CKWW? Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 07:05:16 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2002 11:05:16.0824 (UTC) FILETIME=[57557980:01C2266F] From: "Bill Adlhoch" X-Originating-IP: [68.41.208.108] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59104360 i am in plymouth michigan and have a denon 680NAB tuner and triple checked it when i saw your post NO stereo pilot light at all ----Original Message Follows---- From: "abbnaklie" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 580 CKWW? Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 18:50:02 -0000 --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Bill Adlhoch" wrote: > > CKWW is not and never has been in stereo > Hi, I'm the one here in Windsor that posted the message in the shortwave newsgroup. I've been a regular listener to CKWW for well over 5 years and it seems to me I've heard them mention it in the past. I couldn't find any info in last year's copy of WRTH I have. Anyway, to settle this argument, I've emailed them and asked them. When I get a reply I'll post it. Perhaps I'm mixing up the fact that they webcast in stereo and not broadcast in stereo. I'll have an answer in hte next few days. Take Care Abb _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From badlhoch@hotmail.com Mon Jul 08 04:06:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: badlhoch@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Jul 2002 11:06:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 38871 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2002 11:06:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2002 11:06:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.99) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2002 11:06:30 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 04:06:30 -0700 Received: from 68.41.208.108 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 11:06:30 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} CKWW - can any Canadians help us convince them! Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 07:06:30 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2002 11:06:30.0943 (UTC) FILETIME=[838322F0:01C2266F] From: "Bill Adlhoch" X-Originating-IP: [68.41.208.108] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59104360 i dont think cklw ever had motorola stereo, i remember them being a harris station CKLW Windsor and turned-off the AM stereo and put talk crap on it. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From badlhoch@hotmail.com Mon Jul 08 04:07:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: badlhoch@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Jul 2002 11:07:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 96147 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2002 11:07:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2002 11:07:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2002 11:07:47 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 04:07:47 -0700 Received: from 68.41.208.108 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 11:07:47 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} CKWW - can any Canadians help us convince them! Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 07:07:47 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2002 11:07:47.0519 (UTC) FILETIME=[B127B4F0:01C2266F] From: "Bill Adlhoch" X-Originating-IP: [68.41.208.108] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59104360 I know from a USA standpoint that it is not allowed to broadcast in am stereo if its not c-quam. perhaps the canadians have the same rule plus how many people would benefit from a harris stereo broadcast (maybe just you and me)? ----Original Message Follows---- From: Johnny Electron Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} CKWW - can any Canadians help us convince them! Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 12:59:18 -0700 (PDT) I've begged the engineer at CKWW 580 to transmit with AM stereo, but he says no stereo STL yadayadayada, 10,000 reasons why he shouldn't (obviously they have s stereo STL to the DAB transmitter!). CKWW IS indeed on the Windsor DAB system in stereo. It's a shame what The CHUM Group did - they took the music off of 50KW powerhouse 800KHz CKLW Windsor and turned-off the AM stereo and put talk crap on it. They moved the music to their whimpy 500watt transmitter on 580KHz, and left it go. What's hillarious is looking at the Detroit ratings - 50KW CKLW (talk) is barely 0.5 while 500W CKWW (music) is 3.0 - six times more listeners - DUH - why don't they flip formats and flip the Harris stereo exciter back-on at CKLW - the 1st station in North America to broadcast a sporting event in stereo AM! 580 CKWW and 740 CHWO both should be in stereo with their excellent stereo formats. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From abbnaklie@yahoo.com Mon Jul 08 06:45:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: abbnaklie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Jul 2002 13:45:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 94436 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2002 13:45:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2002 13:45:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2002 13:45:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2002 13:45:47 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 13:45:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: CKWW Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 766 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "abbnaklie" X-Originating-IP: 67.68.224.158 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Hi, I guess you were right - it doesn't broadcast in stereo. I must have gotten their internet broadcasts mixed up with their regular broadcasts. They were advertising that you can listen to them in stereo, but over the internet. Apparently their "sister station" CKLW 800 tried broadcasting in AM stereo many years ago but after about 4 or 5 years of it, dropped it When I was younger, CKLW the THEE station to listen to in this area. I've been a regular listener to WW 580 now for about 5+ years. Sorry for the confusion - next time I'll try and listen more carefully -:) One good thing did come out of this though, I'm suddenly extremely interest in AM stereo and DXing. I wonder how good my Sat 800 is when it comes to AM Dxing..... 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From narkspud@hotmail.com Mon Jul 08 08:59:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Jul 2002 15:59:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 99184 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2002 15:59:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2002 15:59:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2002 15:59:49 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:59:49 -0700 Received: from 67.89.146.146 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 15:59:49 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: NRSC Preemphasis for Dummies Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 08:59:49 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2002 15:59:49.0436 (UTC) FILETIME=[7D080FC0:01C22698] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.89.146.146] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud I'm looking for some sort of chart/list/spreadsheet/what-have-you that tells what the boost/rolloff should be for proper NRSC 75usec preemphasis on the AM band. I've seen stuff like that on the web before, but when I attempted to program it into my audio processing software (and feed the trusty SRF-A100's audio through it) I got rather muffled sound that didn't seem right. Being a non-technical person, it'd help me if the values were expressed in easy-to-understand dBs at particular frequencies. I'm also going to write to my official AM-Stereo guinea-pig station KDIS Los Angeles (Radio Disney) to see if perhaps they have their preemphasis switched off. That might explain it. They do sound pretty muffled lately relative to the rest of the dial. Thanks again. You guys are great. This incessant questioning is leading to some "giving back" to the community, so watch this space. narkspud _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jul 08 09:23:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Jul 2002 16:23:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 23715 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2002 16:23:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2002 16:23:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2002 16:23:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2002 16:23:35 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 16:23:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: NRSC Preemphasis for Dummies Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1509 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I'm looking for some sort of chart/list/spreadsheet/what-have-you > that tells what the boost/rolloff should be for proper NRSC 75usec > preemphasis on the AM band. If you are logged into Yahoo, you can access it here, from the AM Stereo Forum's Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/Bts1-2.pdf The pre-emphasis info is on pages 11 and 12. This is actually the Canadian standard but it is identical to the USA's NRSC standard. Also note that for your transmitter, you'll need more aggressive processing (peak limiting) of the treble range in order to compensate for the pre-emphasis. Otherwise you will get the "spitting" or "lisping" sound on treble peaks. Finally, your Sony SRF-A100 radio was not designed with any corresponding DE-emphasis built in, so in order to get more accurate frequency response when listening to pre-emphasized stations (such as all AM Stereo stations are supposed to be, although pre-emphasis is "optional" for Mono stations), set the Tone control to approximately the middle position (pointing vertically), at least when in Wide bandwidth mode. Another handy tip for the SRF-A100 is to tune it in Narrow bandwidth mode, and then switch to Wide mode once you are properly tuned into the "center" of a station's signal. Its bandwidth is so broad in Wide mode that is difficult to distinguish when you are accurately tuned into the center of a signal (for best Stereo separation), even with the crude "Tuning" light as an aid. From narkspud@hotmail.com Mon Jul 08 10:33:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Jul 2002 17:33:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 95053 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2002 17:33:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2002 17:33:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.16.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2002 17:33:35 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:33:34 -0700 Received: from 67.89.146.146 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 17:33:34 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: NRSC Preemphasis for Dummies Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 10:33:34 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2002 17:33:34.0971 (UTC) FILETIME=[961C94B0:01C226A5] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.89.146.146] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud Ah, I've seen this chart before. So, assuming that I make 2122 Hz the 0 dB reference level, ("magnitude" approx. 3 dB per the chart on p. 11) then I'd want to go .44 dB higher at 2500 Hz, 3.92 higher at 5000 Hz, and 3 dB LOWER at 50 Hz. Right? And the reason I'll need to limit the high frequencies is that the 7 dB boost at 10 kHz will come out of the transmitter splattersville, unless I either limit it into next week, or really reduce my reference level. Right? And in order to de-emphasize a recording of a tuner with flat (non-de-emphasized) frequency response, I just reverse the process, CUTTING 3.92 dB at 5000 Hz, etc. (Assuming again that I leave 2122 Hz as zero reference.) Right? What do the Phase and Group Delay columns indicate? Are they any concern of mine? >Finally, your Sony SRF-A100 radio was not designed with any >corresponding DE-emphasis built in, I'm sure I read in some reputable magazine of the mid-80s that the SRF-A100 has flat (non-de-emphasized) frequency respose out to 15000 Hz with the treble turned **fully clockwise**. (The article was a comparison of the frequency response of various tuners. The SRF-A100 won, but I don't remember who the competition was.) Sooooooooo . . . If I *record* the SRF-A100 with full clockwise treble (say, for instance, on a MiniDisc player that goes pssssshhhhhht every once and awhile), then use a pooter program to create the deemphasis as described above, I should be ending up with spectacular, properly EQ'd airchecks, right? Right?? :-) narkspud _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From philipr@irac.pe.ca Mon Jul 08 10:38:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Jul 2002 17:38:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 96202 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2002 17:38:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2002 17:38:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2002 17:38:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2002 17:38:05 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 17:36:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM Stereo transmitter delivered Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 632 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking My wife just called me to let me know that a big truck pulled up outside our house to drop off an AM Stereo transmitter. However, she noted that the 'shipping crate' seemed rather light - Hmmm, is that why Chris has named them the Alfredo-Lite? Looks like I'll be on the air tonight for a test broadcast on 1000khz. So, the word is - set up a 2 mile long Beveridge antenna directed at PEI, hook up your Watkins-Johnson, Ten-Tec, Collins or other commercial/government grade receiver and see if you can pick me up! lol Seriously, I think I'll be having a lot of fun tonight listening to a local AM Stereo signal. Phil From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Mon Jul 08 10:55:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Jul 2002 17:55:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 30578 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2002 17:55:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2002 17:55:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2002 17:55:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2002 17:55:05 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 17:55:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo transmitter delivered Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 136 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" X-Originating-IP: 217.148.40.78 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan > Seriously, I think I'll be having a lot of fun tonight listening to > a local AM Stereo signal. > UNtil the FCC track you down! From narkspud@hotmail.com Mon Jul 08 11:12:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Jul 2002 18:12:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 70496 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2002 18:12:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2002 18:12:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2002 18:12:36 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:12:36 -0700 Received: from 67.89.146.146 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 18:12:35 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo transmitter delivered Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 11:12:35 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2002 18:12:36.0069 (UTC) FILETIME=[0983C950:01C226AB] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.89.146.146] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud >Looks like I'll be on the air tonight for a test broadcast on >1000khz. I'll be listening in Fullerton, CA on my crystal set. Play Stairway, man! ;-) narkspud (that's an inside joke for all the former and present b'cast DJs, regardless of format. You don't have to play Stairway.) _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From philipr@irac.pe.ca Mon Jul 08 17:30:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 00:30:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 87934 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 00:30:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 00:30:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 00:30:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2002 00:30:41 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 00:30:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo transmitter delivered Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1251 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.166.158.71 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking As I recall, prior to the days of operator assist, playing Stairway to Heaven was about the only way for the DJ to avoid dead air, and yet go to the bathroom, or as our British friends would say the "watercloset". When I worked at CRHS [no, not legal call letters], CFXU [see if its you - the TV station that faded to a campus radio station] and mobile DJing, Stairway to Heaven sure was handy! I still find Timmy T's "One More Try" great for testing compression/limiting. I think it was that quasi-subsonic baseline. That and being recorded in a garage? It used to often knock CIHI 1260 "Stereo 126" off the air. Now re-incarnated as 1260 CKHJ, they don't have to worry about that with a C&W format. Phil --- In amstereoforum@y..., ". Narkspud" wrote: > >Looks like I'll be on the air tonight for a test broadcast on > >1000khz. > > I'll be listening in Fullerton, CA on my crystal set. Play Stairway, man! > ;-) > > narkspud (that's an inside joke for all the former and present b'cast DJs, > regardless of format. You don't have to play Stairway.) > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com From philipr@irac.pe.ca Mon Jul 08 17:34:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 00:34:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 52236 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 00:34:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 00:34:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 00:34:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2002 00:34:43 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 00:34:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Alfredo Lite arrived safely - works great! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 391 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.166.158.71 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Thanks Chris! What a little gem! A more complete report of my initial tests / observations to follow. In a nutshell - I'm impressed! Phil P.S. I think the clear case is kind of cool. I love the fibreglass PC Board. You used some classy capacitors too! After listening to the Alfredo-Lite on my Sony SRF-42 - By contrast to AM Stereo on the A-L, FM Stereo sounds like fake stereo. From groucho@skyweb.net Mon Jul 08 17:36:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 00:36:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 39434 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 00:36:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 00:36:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 00:36:26 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g690dDCL044920 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D2A2F2C.94C1D6E5@skyweb.net> Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 20:32:44 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New Website References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Hello guys hope you all had a good july 4th.. I worked..... in my spare time what little there is . I created a new web page with lots of pictures... studio,transmitter, Tower farm, I hope to be adding to it.. Im not good at creating a fancy website but it works. http://www.angelfire.com/nj4/wttm Neal Newman Chief Engineer and pilot light maker From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Jul 08 18:26:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 01:26:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 78376 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 01:26:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 01:26:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 01:26:31 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-76.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.76]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g691NfIh012541; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:23:42 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <008501c226e8$4973f700$d3a9fea9@me> To: , "[Dennis' AM Stereo List]" Subject: Fw: CF-RFI (forward to AMS groups) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:30:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This may be a bit off topic, but since it affects AM listening I figured it would be at least somewhat germaine. What brands of compact flourescents are the best and worst for RFI? I haven't tried too many, but so far the Phillips seem to be the best, and Lights of America are the worst. Those fool things wipe out reception up to TV channel 6. ST [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Jul 08 18:30:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 01:30:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 35156 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 01:30:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 01:30:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 01:30:02 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-76.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.76]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g691RDIh013235 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:27:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <008f01c226e8$c76ef100$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Converting TEAC T-H500 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:34:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Most likely that was Chris Cuff. If he's too busy to help, try and email Teac to see if you could get a schematic. Even if you don't know how to use one, there are several of us here who could help you find the right place to hook things up. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "matt_haw2000" > I remember seeing a TEAC T-H500 tuner converted to AM Stereo in the > photos section. I was wondering who did that? I bought a TEAC > Reference 500 system complete with Amp, CD, Tape, MD, Tuner and > matching TEAC speakers for $500 CDN From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Mon Jul 08 18:40:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 01:40:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 68367 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 01:40:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 01:40:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf00bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 01:40:48 -0000 Received: from juan ([67.35.11.99]) by imf00bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020709014218.WXST1190.imf00bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 21:42:18 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01c226e9$a6ca0c90$630b2343@juan> To: Subject: AM stereo...WWBF Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 21:40:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On my way back home to Fort Pierce...I happened into Central Florida..and while listening to WWBF, Bartow..my UX-1 car radio was making some god-awful "clicking" sounds...as the signal got stronger....it got worse...but only during songs that were heavy in stereo seperation....mono songs sounded fine. Only when I was close to the transmitter, and when there was serious seperation, my radio was noisy. Any Idea what could cause this ? As I got away from the transmitter, It got better..even on the true Stereo songs.. Oh well.... BTW WMOP in Ocala had the pilot on, but no seperation, as the 1440 signal from near Orlando. WWBF is the only "true" Stereo station I heard on my road trip. Juan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Jul 08 18:47:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 01:47:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 7952 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 01:47:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 01:47:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 01:47:31 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-76.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.76]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g691igIh016670 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:44:44 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00dc01c226eb$392fd000$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <3D2A2F2C.94C1D6E5@skyweb.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Website Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:52:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude That's pretty good. Wish I had time for things like that, but I barely have time to get through these messages. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Newman" > Hello guys hope you all had a good july 4th.. I worked..... > in my spare time what little there is . I created a new web page with > lots of pictures... From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jul 08 19:34:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 02:33:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 29640 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 02:33:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 02:33:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 02:33:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2002 02:33:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 02:33:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: NRSC Preemphasis for Dummies Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3324 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.90.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > So, assuming that I make 2122 Hz the 0 dB reference level, Actually, the 0 dB reference level is at 50 Hz (don't confuse that with the "break" frequency, with isn't of much significance when you are doing the pre-emphasis digitally, or with a graphic equalizer). Everything from then on is boosted. Just like the chart says, you'll have about a 2.5 dB boost at 2 kHz, up to a 10 dB boost at 10 kHz. > And the reason I'll need to limit the high frequencies is that the 7 > dB boost at 10 kHz will come out of the transmitter splattersville, > unless I either limit it into next week, or really reduce my > reference level. It's actually 10 dB boost at 10 kHz, but you have the right idea. Assuming you want to keep the same modulation level, the more pre-emphasis you add, the more peak limiting of the treble that you have to use. That is why some FM stations sound so dull. They want to sound as LOUD as possible, so that means they have to squish the high frequencies down a lot in order to get them through the pre-emphasis without overmodulating. > What do the Phase and Group Delay columns indicate? Are they any > concern of mine? Not really. In fact, mono AM stations in the USA don't have to be concerned about *anything* relating to pre-emphasis, because the FCC stupidly didn't make NRSC pre-emphasis a requirement for them (only the 10 kHz filtering part). However, in the FCC rules for AM Stereo broadcasting, it says AM Stereo stations must conform to NRSC pre-emphasis in both the L+R and L-R components of their signal. It is also required for *all* AM stations in Canada, both Mono and Stereo. > I'm sure I read in some reputable magazine of the mid-80s that the > SRF-A100 has flat (non-de-emphasized) frequency respose out to 15000 > Hz with the treble turned **fully clockwise**. I believe the SRF-A100 uses a 12.5 kHz filter in "Wide" mode. I think a 15 kHz filter would be just too wide, even with the relatively uncrowded AM band of the 1980s. Also, its response as an inherent peak around 5 to 6 kHz, leading to an extra "brightness" of the midrange. And when you add in pre-emphasis, that exaggerates the effect. With the tone at maximum, you will get crisp treble, but you'll probably notice that the mid-range is harsh and strident. Setting the tone back to center position helps compensate for this, but I have found to get truly flat response, even an additional cut of the midrange is required. > Sooooooooo . . . If I *record* the SRF-A100 with full clockwise > treble (say, for instance, on a MiniDisc player that goes > pssssshhhhhht every once and awhile), then use a pooter program to > create the deemphasis as described above, I should be ending up with > spectacular, properly EQ'd airchecks, right? Right?? :-) I record from my SRF-A100 with the tone knob in the *center* position and then use special EQ values in Cool Edit on my computer, to boost the low bass, flatten out the midrange, and give a bit of extra crispness to the high treble. As a result it's quite complex and mostly tuned by ear, depending on the station, the signal condition, and the type of music they're playing. I do that "audio magic" on a different computer so I'll have to fire it up and write down the values I use for my "SRF-A100" EQ preset. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jul 08 19:47:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 02:47:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 40151 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 02:47:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 02:47:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 02:47:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2002 02:47:25 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 02:47:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo transmitter delivered Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1313 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.90.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > As I recall, prior to the days of operator assist, playing Stairway > to Heaven was about the only way for the DJ to avoid dead air, and > yet go to the bathroom, or as our British friends would say > the "watercloset". How about "American Pie" by Don McLean... in full form, which some stations play, it's like 8 or 9 or 10 minutes long or something outlandish like that. Also, there's that organ solo in the full version of "Light My Fire" which seems to go on forever.... > I still find Timmy T's "One More Try" great for testing > compression/limiting. I think it was that quasi-subsonic baseline. > That and being recorded in a garage? It used to often knock CIHI > 1260 "Stereo 126" off the air. You should try any of the tracks on the self-titled debut album of country singer Keith Urban. The audio is so "hot" that it sounds overmodulated right on the CD -- just like an old 45 RPM single, where you got room-filling sound just from the needle in the groove! BTW, you'd be surprised at the number of songs that are recorded with a 15.7 kHz or 19 kHz pilot tone right in the original audio -- mostly just sloppy engineering that the recording studios don't think listeners will notice. Needless to say, at least for FM and TV, this makes a "brick wall" filter at 15 kHz a must. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Mon Jul 08 20:15:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 03:14:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 11111 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 03:14:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 03:14:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 03:14:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2002 03:14:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 03:14:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: NRSC Preemphasis for Dummies Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1148 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.103 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., ". Narkspud" wrote: > I'm looking for some sort of chart/list/spreadsheet/what-have-you that tells > what the boost/rolloff should be for proper NRSC 75usec preemphasis on the > AM band. I've seen stuff like that on the web before, but when I attempted > to program it into my audio processing software (and feed the trusty > SRF-A100's audio through it) I got rather muffled sound that didn't seem > right. Being a non-technical person, it'd help me if the values were > expressed in easy-to-understand dBs at particular frequencies. > In the photos section in this forum is a graph of the NRSC De-Emphasis necessary for reception. The specifications are 75us with a 8.7KHz self. I set up an RC network with these values in excel and graphed it. The curve is exactly what the Canada specs show. This is the De-Emphasis curve and to see what the Pre-Emphasis curve looks like just flip it upsidedown. There is a larger version on my website that is actually 13KB instead of the one shown in the photos section. that is 213KB. http://www.hal-pc.org/~jsgil/AM-Stereo/75usDe-Emphasis.gif JSG From jsgil@hal-pc.org Mon Jul 08 20:20:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 03:20:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 79578 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 03:20:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 03:20:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 03:20:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2002 03:20:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 03:20:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo transmitter delivered Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 680 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.103 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > > As I recall, prior to the days of operator assist, playing Stairway > > to Heaven was about the only way for the DJ to avoid dead air, and > > yet go to the bathroom, or as our British friends would say > > the "watercloset". > > How about "American Pie" by Don McLean... in full form, which some > stations play, it's like 8 or 9 or 10 minutes long or something > outlandish like that. > > Also, there's that organ solo in the full version of "Light My Fire" > which seems to go on forever.... > ... and if you need a really long break you could always play In-A-Gadda-Da-Vita by Iron Butterfly JSG From groucho@skyweb.net Mon Jul 08 23:06:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 06:06:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 71551 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 06:06:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 06:06:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 06:06:34 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6969NCL079759 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 02:09:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D2A7C8F.9883C4D7@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 02:02:55 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: HELP References: <002901c22084$7749eaa0$0101a8c0@pavilion> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Hey Chris..... I changed the batteries in my little radio.... and now its set for 9kc instead of 10 what the hell did I do? its all in japanese. do you know the Combination Of buttons to reset it? Nil From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jul 08 23:10:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 06:10:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 38903 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 06:10:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 06:10:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 06:10:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2002 06:10:16 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 06:10:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: HELP Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D2A7C8F.9883C4D7@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 490 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.90.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I changed the batteries in my little radio.... and now its set for > 9kc instead of 10 what the hell did I do? its all in japanese. do > you know the Combination Of buttons to reset it? If it's the same as my Panasonic RF-HS90, then you hold down the AM/FM band button until you see a flashing "9" or "J" on the display. Use the + and - tuning buttons to change this to "10". Hold down the band button again for a few seconds and you will get your 10 kHz AM channel spacing back! From narkspud@hotmail.com Tue Jul 09 00:02:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 07:02:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 49173 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 07:02:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 07:02:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.212) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 07:02:08 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 00:02:08 -0700 Received: from 67.224.23.240 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 07:02:08 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo transmitter delivered Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 00:02:08 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2002 07:02:08.0440 (UTC) FILETIME=[8A647B80:01C22716] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.224.23.240] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud >... and if you need a really long break you could always play >In-A-Gadda-Da-Vita by Iron Butterfly I was pulling a weekend overnight on a NC FM that was switching from Rock to Smooth Jazz in a few days, and the management had made the peculiar decision to emancipate everyone from following format for our last week on the job. (Never mind the wisdom of letting fired DJ's on the air live.) A spectacular week in broadcasting that was, though. Our one week as a Great Radio Station. Anyway, for that shift I brought my "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida" LP and played it last thing before my shift ended. At 5:55 AM, in walked my relief, mad as hell, with HIS copy of the "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida" LP. Other great bathroom break songs--Hey Jude, MacArthur Park, Ramblin' Man, Alice's Restaurant (if you're really in trouble), Autobahn, Tubular Bells, pretty much any LP version of a Disco record, any more? My mention of Stairway, though, was that I don't care what format you're playing, classic rock, pop, country, elevator, or Lithuanian Pobble Bead Shaker Music, you're still going to get 4 or 5 calls daily for Stairway to Heaven. Maybe that's no longer true of the current crop of whippersnappers. Darn these kids. If it's too old, they're too loud. narkspud _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Jul 09 00:41:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 07:41:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 66977 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 07:41:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 07:41:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 07:41:32 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.30]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 03:40:20 -0400 Message-ID: <003301c2271c$15ee46e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <002901c22084$7749eaa0$0101a8c0@pavilion> <3D2A7C8F.9883C4D7@skyweb.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} HELP Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 03:41:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Hi Neal- The English instructions for the setting are in the book, last page- I made sure it was in the box, but anyway, what Kevin said is correct as well- cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Neal Newman To: Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 2:02 AM Subject: {AMSF} HELP > Hey Chris..... > I changed the batteries in my little radio.... and now its set for 9kc > instead of 10 > what the hell did I do? its all in japanese. do you know the > Combination Of buttons to reset it? > Nil From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Jul 09 00:42:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 07:42:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 75599 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 07:42:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 07:42:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 07:42:53 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.30]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 03:41:41 -0400 Message-ID: <003b01c2271c$46948020$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <008f01c226e8$c76ef100$d3a9fea9@me> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Converting TEAC T-H500 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 03:43:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Nope- wasn't me, but I DO remember someone on the list that bought one and Teac did the conversion for him- cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 9:34 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Converting TEAC T-H500 > Most likely that was Chris Cuff. If he's too busy to help, try and email > Teac to see if you could get a schematic From narkspud@hotmail.com Tue Jul 09 02:56:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 09:56:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 3252 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 09:56:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 09:56:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.45) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 09:56:25 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 02:56:25 -0700 Received: from 67.224.21.170 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 09:56:25 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Minidisc--The Radio Matters Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 02:56:25 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2002 09:56:25.0307 (UTC) FILETIME=[E32BC2B0:01C2272E] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.224.21.170] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud I just now discovered that my trusty GE Superadio III does NOT pick up the MD interference through the headphone jack. With a bit of positional tinkering (about 3 feet separating the radio and the MD), I was able to get perfectly clean recordings off even weak signals (such as the LAX Parking TIS on 530, a good 30 miles away). Using the SRF-A100 with the same stations, wires, and positions, the static would completely obliterate the same signal. All together now: "Yes, but the Superadio isn't stereo!!" Another thing to watch is the position of your headphone cord relative to the radio. It seems to radiate some of the MD static signal as well. Just FYI. narkspud (can't sleep for some reason) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dav259@csiro.au Tue Jul 09 05:16:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 12:16:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 77274 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 12:16:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 12:16:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 12:16:37 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA16417; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:16:34 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:16:34 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Cc: iaaas list Subject: the first stereo recording Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public This is a bit late - but I think maybe the first popular legit stereo recording was on Capital - and was recorded on the 20th Century-Fox soundstage - and it was the CinemaScope 55 movie - The King and I. And it was released in 1955. And there were heaps from 20th Century-Fox thereafter ... and despite Rupert Murdoch the tradition will continue ... From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Jul 09 05:53:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 12:53:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 17750 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 12:53:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 12:53:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 12:53:40 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g69CuPCL017091 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:56:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D2ADBF8.BEFF061A@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 08:50:00 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo transmitter delivered References: From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If Im Not Mistaken... The original version of Bohemian Rhapsody from Queen is at least 12 mins long.. hold onto your hats for this one remember a group called NEKTAR all of their albums were long... the album REMEMBER THE FUTURE side A (part I) is 16:38 side B (partII) is 18:55 How's that for pulling a long one.. I have 2 albums of Each so my total play time on 1 song is 34:31 mins roflmao snicker snicker add that to your List... Neal > Other great bathroom break songs--Hey Jude, MacArthur Park, Ramblin' > Man, > Alice's Restaurant (if you're really in trouble), Autobahn, Tubular > Bells, > pretty much any LP version of a Disco record, any more? > > _ > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor [{short description of image}] > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Tue Jul 09 06:59:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 13:59:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 28132 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 13:59:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 13:59:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 13:59:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2002 13:59:22 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 13:59:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT : A4 TECH MICE Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 186 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" X-Originating-IP: 217.148.41.188 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Sorry for being OT but I'm having real trouble locating a supplier of the new range of wireless mice from this manufacturer. Most seem to have not even heard of a4 tech. Anyone help ? From amfmdx@fastq.com Tue Jul 09 07:43:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 14:43:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 5107 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 14:43:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 14:43:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 14:43:13 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d185-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.217]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g69EhCn08425 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 07:43:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <023e01c22755$1880e8c0$c692adcf@kredding430cdt> To: Subject: Add this station!! Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 07:29:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla 1090 XEMCA Panuco, Veracruz, $ "Estereo", musica ranchera. ads, promos, ID's, taking requests from listeners. This station heard in the car radio all the way up to BROWNSVILLE!!! This message has been composed of recycled electrons. None of these electrons has been harmed or injured in the creation and transmission of this message but they have been shamelessly exploited for this use. From narkspud@hotmail.com Tue Jul 09 07:50:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 14:50:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 85674 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 14:50:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 14:50:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.16.136) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 14:50:05 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 07:50:05 -0700 Received: from 67.224.44.72 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 14:50:05 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} the first stereo recording Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 07:50:05 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2002 14:50:05.0762 (UTC) FILETIME=[E9C7D220:01C22757] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.224.44.72] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud >This is a bit late - but I think maybe the first popular legit stereo >recording was on Capital - and was recorded on the 20th Century-Fox >soundstage - and it was the CinemaScope 55 movie - The King and I. > >And it was released in 1955. > Disney's got you whupped. "Fantasia" was released in 1940 with a multi-channel soundtrack. I'll have to look up the details, but I believe it was 3 channels of recorded audio that were automatically routed to multiple speakers around the theater (there were actually several more "channels" in the sound system--I want to say 12, but they were fed by the router from different combos of the original 3). Unless the previously discussed Columbia Multiplex Grand Graphophone Deluxe was a stereo rig (which nobody knows for sure) "Fantasia" was probably the first time the general public got to hear stereo sound recreated by recording technology. That's not to say that it wasn't being experimented with years prior to "Fantasia". If you were saying the LP "King and I" was the first stereo LP, then I'm afraid I must disagree again. I wish I could recall WHAT the first was, but I know it was on the AudioFidelity label in November 1957 (a fact that AudioFidelity was not shy about mentioning on their LP jackets for years after). "The King and I" soundtrack *was* released in 1955, but the stereo version didn't appear until 1958, which puts it in the good company of "High Society" and several other soundtracks. narkspud _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From shelswartz@yahoo.com Tue Jul 09 08:18:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: shelswartz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 15:18:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 36293 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 15:18:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 15:18:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14904.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.225.56) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 15:17:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20020709151759.59923.qmail@web14904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.86.166.74] by web14904.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 08:17:59 PDT Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:17:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo...WWBF To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: Tom@wwbf.com In-Reply-To: <000a01c226e9$a6ca0c90$630b2343@juan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Shel Swartz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91652391 X-Yahoo-Profile: shelswartz I forworded this toi tom@wwbf.com. Tom Thornburg is a terrific engineer, whose family owns and operates WWBF, a throwback to the REAL days of Radio whene real people and families worked hard at providing not only an advertising media, but true community SERVICE. Hopefully he will respond. (shel) --- Juan / John Gualda wrote: > On my way back home to Fort Pierce...I happened into > Central Florida..and while listening to WWBF, > Bartow..my UX-1 car radio was making some god-awful > "clicking" sounds...as the signal got stronger....it > got worse...but only during songs that were heavy in > stereo seperation....mono songs sounded fine. > Only when I was close to the transmitter, and when > there was serious seperation, my radio was noisy. > > Any Idea what could cause this ? > > As I got away from the transmitter, It got > better..even on the true Stereo songs.. > > Oh well.... > > BTW WMOP in Ocala had the pilot on, but no > seperation, as the 1440 signal from near Orlando. > > WWBF is the only "true" Stereo station I heard on my > road trip. > > > > Juan > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Jul 09 08:41:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 15:41:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 10734 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 15:41:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 15:41:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 15:41:09 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn47.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.51]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:41:09 -0600 To: Subject: LONG Songs (formerly RE: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo transmitter delivered) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:41:07 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <3D2ADBF8.BEFF061A@skyweb.net> Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know I'm showing my age here....but another one that's also considered by some as quite historical (the first REAL rap song) is Rapper's Delight...by the Sugarhill Gang. Radio edit was about 6 or 7 minutes....and full version, about 15 minutes. I have both as MP3's, and did indeed have the original vinyl record purchased at the local record store in 1980. Long version was on one side of the LP, and edited version was on the other. No, I never PLAYED that one on the air to go to the bathroom...I was only 10 at the time....but it was one of those that was ALL OVER the radio despite it only climbing to #36 on Billboard's pop chart. Note also that I grew up in Southern Louisiana. That may have something to do with it. Seems the in the south and in the east, radio was different. Black music had a place on the radio. I've heard from many people who grew up out here in the west that it was different. Here in Wyoming...also Idaho, Colorado and especially Utah. I guess they just weren't "in" to it. This dates all the way back to the 50's and 60's. Lots of "local hits" out here. Hits that didn't even hit the charts anywhere else...but they were #1 in Salt Lake City. Anyways....out on a tangent now :) MJR n Wyo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Jul 09 08:47:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 15:47:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 2340 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 15:47:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 15:47:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 15:47:02 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn47.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.51]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:47:01 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} OT : A4 TECH MICE Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:47:00 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Help is here! I have several A4 Tech products. My main vendor sells them. Check out www.lsmicro.com . That's who I get most of my supplies from. I'm looking at an A4 Tech mouse sitting here on my bench right now. It's a combo PS/2 / Serial with scroll rollers in both directions. Use it on the bench to work on machines. Looks like A4's web site is www.a4tech.com.tw Hope this helps ya. Doesn't look like LSMicro handles their wireless mouse (not YET anyway) but they maybe could help ya. Michael -----Original Message----- From: amstereofan [mailto:amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 7:59 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} OT : A4 TECH MICE Sorry for being OT but I'm having real trouble locating a supplier of the new range of wireless mice from this manufacturer. Most seem to have not even heard of a4 tech. Anyone help ? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Jul 09 08:59:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 15:59:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 38696 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 15:59:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 15:59:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 15:59:56 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn47.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.51]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:59:56 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} the first stereo recording Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:59:55 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know we probably mentioned this somewhere along this thread....but movies like Gone With The Wind and The Wizard Of Oz were stereo. From what I can tell it sounds like of course, they didn't go all HIGH TECH and outrageous like they do these days....but some effects (war sounds and explosions...Gone With The Wind) and most of the music background (as well as theme music in the beginning) is stereo. I had the pleasure of working helping the city of Eunice (Louisiana) restore an old theatre. Up in the projection booth both the sound and projector systems were still from the 1930's. The old carbon-rods for the projector bulbs...and yes a control box on the wall for the old RCA sound system that included switches for STEREO and MONO. So that's why I'm curious. I know those two movies preceeded Fantasia by a year or two. MJR -----Original Message----- Disney's got you whupped. "Fantasia" was released in 1940 with a multi-channel soundtrack. narkspud [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From philipr@irac.pe.ca Tue Jul 09 09:00:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 16:00:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 73397 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 16:00:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 16:00:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 16:00:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2002 16:00:53 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 16:00:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: LONG Songs (formerly RE: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo transmitter delivered) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 219 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking it was one of those that was ALL OVER the radio despite it > only climbing to #36 on Billboard's pop chart. Rapper's delight was a big song in the Maritimes too - lots of airplay! But - just the short version. Phil From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jul 09 10:34:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 17:34:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 40010 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 17:34:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 17:34:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 17:34:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2002 17:34:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 17:34:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT: LONG Songs vs. radio edits Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1455 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Rapper's delight was a big song in the Maritimes too - lots of > airplay! But - just the short version. BTW, I've seen "radio edits" of songs that are as little as just a few seconds shorter than the album version. For example, the radio version of "The Hardest Thing" by 98 Degrees removes the cello intro which is all of about 3 seconds long! Songs played on the radio have gotten a lot longer over the years. If you look back at the early Beatles songs, some are under 2 minutes long! Then came the '70s and songs like "Time Passages" by Al Stewart which are over 5 minutes long even in the radio edit version -- and some stations prefer to play the full version which is a healthy 6:42. It's mostly a matter of personal preference. Sometimes I prefer the "get in, say what you have to say, and get out" version of a song, but sometimes I like the longer versions, especially when it's a song with a good catchy chorus that is only done once in the short version, or with some nice bridge or intermediate verse that gets omitted. The decision is made more complex in the rare cases where the "good" full version of a song is only available in MONO, while the less appealing radio edit is in Stereo... such as "Let's Hang On" by Frankie Valli & The Four Seasons. (If anybody has the full version, with Frankie's "pleading" intro, in STEREO, I'd like to hear it -- my "official" Four Seasons Anthology only has it in Mono.) From narkspud@hotmail.com Tue Jul 09 12:58:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 19:58:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 59388 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 19:58:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 19:58:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.161) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 19:58:48 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 12:58:47 -0700 Received: from 67.89.146.146 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 19:58:47 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: RE: {AMSF} the first stereo recording Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 12:58:47 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2002 19:58:47.0950 (UTC) FILETIME=[09DD6AE0:01C22783] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.89.146.146] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud >I know we probably mentioned this somewhere along this thread....but movies >like Gone With The Wind and The Wizard Of Oz were stereo. From what I can >tell it sounds like of course, they didn't go all HIGH TECH and outrageous >like they do these days....but some effects (war sounds and >explosions...Gone With The Wind) and most of the music background (as well >as theme music in the beginning) is stereo. At this rate I'm going to be the most hated person on this list. Nope, GWTW and WOO weren't stereo originally. There was no sense in making them stereo. . .the equipment to present it just wasn't available yet. The stereo versions you're hearing are recent remixes using whatever separate elements still exist. The stereo SFX are dropped in from various sources (not necessarily the ones used originally, BTW). The music is in fake stereo, using a high-tech digital "diffusion" computer algorythm. I'll be the first to admit that, when used on orchestral recordings, this is the most stereo-sounding of the fake stereo methods, but if you start trying to pick out the direction of individual instruments or even sections, you'll find you can't. And it tends to sound a bit muddy and metallic to me. Lay in the mono voicetrack (which the filmmakers originally mixed separately for easy removal from foreign dubbed versions) with a bit of pan-pot twiddling and some digital atmospheric effects, and voila, you have something that can reasonably pass for stereo. But it's not something the original filmmakers were working toward or even thinking about--it's purely a digital-age creation. Think of it as colorization for the soundtrack. For an amusing example of how this after-the-fact stereo stunt can backfire, get your hands on one of the earlier videotapes or laserdiscs of Disney's Peter Pan. Disney didn't have a separate voicetrack for this one. . .they only had the mono full mix, and the music-and-effects track. So they sync'd 'em up, put the M&E in fake stereo and the full mix in mono, and mixed or cross-faded wherever it seemed warranted. This created a wonderful train-wreck right in the middle of "You Can Fly You Can Fly You Can Fly," which, right around the point where they're flying around Big Ben, suddenly collapses in a cacophonious mess that lasts for about a minute. Seems our intrepid Disney audio guys never did figure out that the two tracks they were trying to sync up contained two different takes of the music played at two different tempos! For the current DVD remaster, they finally straightened this out, dropping one of the tracks when the takes diverge. I'm not opposed to this kind of thing being done if it's done with care (right, Disney?), with scrupulous adherence to the original intent of the filmmakers, and without sacrificing overall audio quality to the god of "Stereo-or-Die." But you know how that goes in the current corporate climate. narkspud _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Jul 09 14:40:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 21:40:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 84453 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 21:40:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 21:40:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 21:40:18 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn47.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.51]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:40:18 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} the first stereo recording Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:40:17 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not hated at all Narkspud. Just didn't know how or why and the difference :) I tell ya...I thought that -I- was a stickler when it came to this kinda stuff! MJR -----Original Message----- From: . Narkspud [mailto:narkspud@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 1:59 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: {AMSF} the first stereo recording [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Tue Jul 09 15:40:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 22:40:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 81209 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 22:40:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 22:40:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf10bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.30) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 22:40:09 -0000 Received: from juan ([68.17.215.145]) by imf10bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020709224139.OHUT21884.imf10bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 18:41:39 -0400 Message-ID: <001f01c22799$942c3580$91d71144@juan> To: References: <20020709151759.59923.qmail@web14904.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo...WWBF Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 18:40:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane They are a great radio station. no doubt about it. From: "Shel Swartz" > I forworded this toi tom@wwbf.com. Tom Thornburg is a > terrific engineer, whose family owns and operates > WWBF, a throwback to the REAL days of Radio whene real > people and families worked hard at providing not only > an advertising media, but true community SERVICE. > > Hopefully he will respond. (shel) > > --- Juan / John Gualda wrote: > > On my way back home to Fort Pierce...I happened into > > Central Florida..and while listening to WWBF, > > Bartow..my UX-1 car radio was making some god-awful > > "clicking" sounds...as the signal got stronger....it > > got worse...but only during songs that were heavy in > > stereo seperation....mono songs sounded fine. > > Only when I was close to the transmitter, and when > > there was serious seperation, my radio was noisy. > > > > Any Idea what could cause this ? > > > > As I got away from the transmitter, It got > > better..even on the true Stereo songs.. > > > > Oh well.... > > > > BTW WMOP in Ocala had the pilot on, but no > > seperation, as the 1440 signal from near Orlando. > > > > WWBF is the only "true" Stereo station I heard on my > > road trip. > > > > > > > > Juan From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jul 09 17:23:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 00:23:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 84344 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 00:23:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 00:23:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 00:23:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2002 00:23:12 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 00:23:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: the first stereo recording Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1475 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.85.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > "The King and I" soundtrack *was* released in 1955, but the stereo > version didn't appear until 1958, which puts it in the good company > of "High Society" and several other soundtracks. I have an MP3 of one of the songs from "Kiss Me Kate" in 1953, and it is in great-sounding full Stereo. As somebody mentioned a while back, movies starting in the 1930s were recorded with two audio tracks -- one for the voices, and one for music and sound effects, in order to facilitate dubbing into different languages. Although not originally presented as "stereo", some re-releases of these movies have taken the potential for separation between these two tracks and exploited it by applying various phasing and channeling effects independently to the two tracks, in order to create an unoriginal, but realistic-sounding, "stereo" or even "surround sound" effect. I believe the "stereo" version of "The Wizard Of Oz" was produced like this, so "Fantastia" still was probably the first widely viewed movie to be produced with *intentional* multi-channel sound in its *original* release. The genesis of stereo/multichannel audio recording certainly has a colorful history, even moreso than that of the early days of multiplex AM Stereo (mostly because any research into the history of AM Stereo will turn up the name "Leonard R. Kahn" time and time again, despite the fact that other people and companies were experimenting with it during the same time frame). From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Jul 09 17:37:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 00:37:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 22180 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 00:37:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 00:37:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 00:37:28 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-155.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.155]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g6A0Y1Ih015397 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 19:34:38 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003b01c227aa$9b8fa080$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: LONG Songs vs. radio edits Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 19:41:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I once got a small town DJ to play the full length (18:10) Herby Mann version of My Girl. Liked it so much I went out and bought it. He had played something else off that album earlier so I called to find out what it was and what else was on the album. This had to be mid-70s. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevtronics" > Songs played on the radio have gotten a lot longer over the years. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jul 09 21:28:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 04:28:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 74973 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 04:28:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 04:28:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 04:28:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2002 04:28:30 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 04:28:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM Stereo vs. stereo records? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1409 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.85.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics It is well known that the "secret" which gives AM Stereo its incredibly wide Stereo separation is the "matrix" audio processing used, which independenly processes the L+R and L-R components of the audio, which not only preserves loudness for mono listeners, but also provides a spectacularly wide Stereo effect for AM Stereo-equipped listeners. However, just now I am listening to a stereo LP of Herb Alpert & The Tijuana Brass (in amazingly good condition for being a $1.00 "flea market special") with headphones, and the Stereo separation is absolutely out of this world! So, I wonder, since Stereo records are created with separate L+R and L-R components (the only audio recording media to do so), is AM-Stereo-like matrix processing also used for the audio on stereo records? I know records technically have a rather narrow maximum stereo separation -- something like only 25 or 30 dB, compared to ~50 dB for cassettes and 90 dB for CDs -- but it just sounds so much "wider" than that, and the only explanation I can think of (besides all the other intangible qualities that cause some people to prefer LPs over CDs) is that AM-Stereo-type matrix processing must be used to "make the most" of this Stereo separation and exploit it to its full benefit. I guess it makes sense, though, that the particular LP I'm enjoying right now is by A&M, and therefore is an "A&M Stereo" record! From kfornal@loa.com Tue Jul 09 22:42:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kfornal@loa.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 05:42:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 62342 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 05:42:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 05:42:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao03.cox.net) (68.1.17.242) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 05:42:03 -0000 Received: from OMNIBOOK ([68.9.127.164]) by lakemtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020710054202.BDWK1975.lakemtao03.cox.net@OMNIBOOK> for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 01:42:02 -0400 To: Subject: AM Stero debate Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 01:41:53 -0400 Message-ID: <001801c227d4$7ee03c90$0401a8c0@OMNIBOOK> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Keith Fornal" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110312140 X-Yahoo-Profile: theradboy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I brought up AM Stereo on the Radio-Info Providence Board: To whoever is running 1450 WWRI Not that anyone may care, but 1450 WWRI is WAY too over processed on the audio. Listen to 1090 WILD. That's the way it should sound. And it should be in AM STEREO like WILD!!! <-- My Response Yeah, but who actually owns an AM stereo receiver? I heard that it costs an incredible amount of money for a station to switch over to Stereo. Very few AM stations can even justify spending that amount of money for a technology that has obviously failed. Any tips on how I should reply to this flawed statement? Keith Fornal Treasurer Dutch Island Lighthouse Society www.dutchislandlighthouse.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jul 09 23:00:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 05:59:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 70977 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 05:59:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 05:59:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 05:59:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2002 05:59:59 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 05:59:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo debate Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001801c227d4$7ee03c90$0401a8c0@OMNIBOOK> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3256 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.85.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Any tips on how I should reply to this flawed statement? You only have to say one word: www.AMStereoRadio.com In particular, my long spiel entitled "What is AM Stereo?" on this site slyly addresses some of the criticisms of AM Stereo while at the same time extolling its virtues. Here it is, for your reading enjoyment: What is AM Stereo? ================== AM Stereo is the technology that allows AM radio stations to broadcast with high-fidelity Stereophonic sound, far exceeding the quality normally associated with regular monaural AM radio. AM Stereo provides clear full-dimensional Stereo sound that envelops the listener with a fidelity of sound reproduction usually thought of as something only found on the FM band. AM Stereo has been used all around the world for over two decades and is employed by hundreds of stations on every continent. Since its introduction, millions of AM Stereo receivers have been sold for home, car, and portable listening enjoyment. AM Stereo is a robust analog system that has been optimized for high performance reception and audio quality even with weak, distant signals. The greater long-distance range of AM signals, especially at night, regularly brings forth stations from hundreds or even thousands of miles away featuring true Stereo sound, something the FM band is incapable of. And yet, AM Stereo is fully compatible with all regular monaural AM radios, and in fact even provides listeners who do not have an AM Stereo-capable radio with a better sound quality, due to the higher technical standards that AM Stereo stations are held to. AM Stereo provides the highest quality of AM radio enjoyment available with today's refined and secure analog technologies, without the prohibitive expense and unproven, troublesome performance of the currently experimental digital AM broadcast systems such as IBOC and DRM. AM Stereo is affordable to implement, both for radio stations transmitting it and for radio sets receiving it, and it is an investment that is backed with an established base of use and support all around the world that now dates back more than 20 years. The benefits of AM Stereo are well suited to every programming format, as the greater realism and superior frequency response it offers adds just as much enjoyment and excitement to news and talk programs as it does to music. Sporting events and live performances especially come alive in Stereo with stunningly realistic detail, while voice and music is received with greater clarity and richness of sound, even if monaural audio sources are used. Commercials, jingles, and station IDs are particularly effective at immediately catching the listener's attention when they are broadcast with dramatic Stereo effects. Stereophonic sound has been a part of FM and TV broadcasting for decades, so much that it is taken for granted. Nobody would settle for hearing bland, lifeless mono sound from these sources. So why settle for monaural, low-fidelity sound on the AM radio band? AM Stereo allows it to come to life with the quality and fidelity that has been sorely lacking for decades. Now, you can finally enjoy AM radio the way it was meant to be heard. That is the AM Stereo Advantage! From rjskadl@yahoo.com Tue Jul 09 23:35:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 06:35:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 26480 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 06:35:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 06:35:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 06:35:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2002 06:35:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 06:35:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: LONG Songs vs. radio edits Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 460 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > "Let's Hang On" by Frankie Valli & The Four Seasons. (If anybody > has the full version, with Frankie's "pleading" intro, in STEREO, > I'd like to hear it -- my "official" Four Seasons Anthology only > has it in Mono.) Well I don't have the Franki Valli version, but I could get you a copy of the full length true stereophonic version of "Let's Hang On" by Mrs. Miller! LOL -Rusty From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Jul 09 23:55:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 06:55:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 69326 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 06:55:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 06:55:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 06:55:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2002 06:55:12 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 06:55:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo vs. stereo records? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2201 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.63 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > It is well known that the "secret" which gives AM Stereo its > incredibly wide Stereo separation is the "matrix" audio processing > used, which independenly processes the L+R and L-R components of the > audio, which not only preserves loudness for mono listeners, but also > provides a spectacularly wide Stereo effect for AM Stereo-equipped > listeners. > > However, just now I am listening to a stereo LP of Herb Alpert & The > Tijuana Brass (in amazingly good condition for being a $1.00 "flea > market special") with headphones, and the Stereo separation is > absolutely out of this world! So, I wonder, since Stereo records are > created with separate L+R and L-R components (the only audio recording > media to do so), is AM-Stereo-like matrix processing also used for the > audio on stereo records? > > I know records technically have a rather narrow maximum stereo > separation -- something like only 25 or 30 dB, compared to ~50 dB for > cassettes and 90 dB for CDs -- but it just sounds so much "wider" than > that, and the only explanation I can think of (besides all the other > intangible qualities that cause some people to prefer LPs over CDs) is > that AM-Stereo-type matrix processing must be used to "make the most" > of this Stereo separation and exploit it to its full benefit. > > I guess it makes sense, though, that the particular LP I'm enjoying > right now is by A&M, and therefore is an "A&M Stereo" record! If you think about it stereo records are also a form of quadrature modulation in the mechanical sense. Left and right channels are 90deg out of phase mechanically within the groove and vectorwise represents a QuAM signal. You even have the same type of distortion when played with a mono cartridge as you would with a QuAM signal received with a envelope detector. Funny that I don't remember any complaints about stereo records being compatible with mono cartridges. Could you imagine a "C-QuAMed" record for mono cartridge compatibility? ;-) I wonder if combining 2 signals in quadrature either mechanically or electrically has an effect of this pronounced separation. JSG From dav259@csiro.au Wed Jul 10 01:39:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 08:39:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 33972 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 08:39:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 08:39:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 08:39:13 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19435; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:39:08 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:39:08 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: iaaas list Cc: amstereoforum Subject: Re: [Dennis' AM Stereo List] - Re: the first stereo recording In-Reply-To: <20020709230731.PBYE11981.imf03bis.bellsouth.net@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Dennis - you sure know the history or streophonic recording. I was very interested in all of this ... On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Dennis Falk wrote: > In 1925, another attempt at stereo sound recording occured. Very little > is known about this one. > At that time, stations in Boston, New York, and Chicago experimented > with stereophonic broadcasting using two broadcasters in the same market > to broadcast the same program, but from different sorces. (Note: In this > regard, AM stereo started in Boston! :) I believe two Sydney stations experimented with this for several months - much later than 1925 - but of course the average family could only afford one "wireless" - and they usually were an attractive piece of furniture - somewhat of a status symbol. btw - wasn't it great when the dial actually had all the station names on it? This faded out as transistor radios became popular in the 60s. > released until the late 1970s. The Stokowski/Bell recordings are on the > 100th Anniversary CD collection of the Philadelphia Orchestra; the EMI > Beecham stereo recordings have yet to be issued on CD. It was Leopold Stokowski wasn't it who conducted the orchestra in Fantasia? I didn't realise it was the Philadelphia Orchestra. They were for many years my favourite orchestra. My Dad had several records by the Philadelphia Orchestra recorded in the 50s. He had quite a classical selection and it was strange. When you listened to a classical work by many decent symphony orchestras they all sounded pretty much alike. But when you heard the Philadelphia Orchestra's version they were just somehow more vibrant. The conductor in those days was Eugene Ormandy and I think he embellished some works using different instruments and sometimes playing certain bits an octive higher or lower to maximise the drama - as if he was stamping his name on it. Is the Philadelphia Orchestra still alive and kicking? And what about the Boston Pops? - they were special too. > In 1940, Disney premiered "Fantasia" with three-channel "Fantasound", a > form of surround sound. This actually was the first publicly-shown > stereophonic movie, shown in 14 movie houses with some $600,000(!!) in > stereophonic equipment-- to packed houses! Nevertheless, "Fantasia" was > deemed a "failure" by the studio, even though the regular "mono" version > did quite well around the US-- Due to problems in Europe (obviously), > they couldn't screen "Fantasia" in europe, and wouldn't eventually break > even until the late 1960s. What was the problem in Europe? When I first saw Fantasia as a kid I thought it was awesome. > In 1945, the first commercially-available stereophonic records were > issued by London's Decca Records, which continued until 1948 or so. > (Ian: A-HA!) Well it's not the first time I've been wrong ... and won't be the last. I always remember Decca (Phase 4) records and Polydor being the two supreme labels. Dad's first "LP" was the 10" Columbia (?) record of The Glen Miller Story which has since somehow been "stereoised". Great stuff! > In 1961, a station in Boston was the first US FM stereo station. And we had to wait till 1975 for community FM experimental stations - then 1980 for commercial and ABC FM stations. And the commercial FM stations turned out, at least to me, a great disappointment - otherwise I wouldn't be so enthusiastic about AM stereo which we got in 1985 - 10 years too late! It really does come down to programming. > Wheeee, a topic I know about.. ;) Thanks for all the info Dennis. Ian From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Jul 10 08:50:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 15:50:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 34938 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 15:50:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 15:50:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m09.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.164) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 15:50:28 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.bf.22f7b96f (3964) for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:50:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:50:20 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo debate To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 7/10/02 2:00:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kevtronics@yahoo.com writes: << > Any tips on how I should reply to this flawed statement? You only have to say one word: www.AMStereoRadio.com >> And or put them in touch with the lists very own AM Stereo decoder guru Chris Cuff Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 08:51:24 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2002 15:51:25.0110 (UTC) FILETIME=[A5418560:01C22829] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.89.146.146] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud I can't believe I have the audacity to get technical on this forum. But here goes. >since Stereo records are >created with separate L+R and L-R components (the only audio recording >media to do so), is AM-Stereo-like matrix processing also used for the >audio on stereo records? There was a stereo mastering system called the Haeco Compatible Stereo Groove (CSG) that sounds to me--now that I think about it--an AWFUL lot like heavily matrix-processed AM Stereo. Common users of the system were Warner Bros., Reprise and Atlantic, circa 1967-8-9. I don't know exactly how the system worked, but it was supposed to create stereo records that could be "safely" played on any mono equipment. (Earlier mono cartridges couldn't track the vertical component of the stereo groove and would thus damage the record.) Check to see if your Herb Alpert LP mentions the Haeco-CSG process somewhere in the fine print. If it does, that's probably what you're hearing. If not (and it may still have it without telling you), it may just be a very spacious early-60's stereo mix. Stereo reverb is a remarkably powerful tool in this regard, since it psychologically creates "distance" between the different mix elements, especially if they're panned way out to the sides. In the wrong hands (whoever did the stereo mix of "You've Lost That Loving Feeling," for instance) it can make the singers sound like they're performing very far away from the band. . .not exactly an appropriate effect. (My fave example of this, though, is the semi-rare Stereo mix of Chubby Checker/Dee Dee Sharp's "Slow Twistin." Chubby over THERE, Dee Dee over THERE, and the band apparently out in the studio parking lot. What were they thinkin'?) >I guess it makes sense, though, that the particular LP I'm enjoying >right now is by A&M, and therefore is an "A&M Stereo" record! The fact that Herb Alpert was the A of A&M also guaranteed budget-busting state-of-the-art sound quality. "The Lonely Bull" (A&M's first LP release) wasn't so hot stereo-wise, but after that, Alpert's material sounded just incredible, and makes excellent AM Stereo demo material! Make sure you get the stereo editions. . .mono Herb Alperts are common at thrift stores. narkspud _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From narkspud@hotmail.com Wed Jul 10 09:37:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 16:37:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 52861 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 16:37:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 16:37:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.229) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 16:37:03 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:37:03 -0700 Received: from 67.89.146.146 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:37:03 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: LONG Songs vs. radio edits Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:37:03 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2002 16:37:03.0737 (UTC) FILETIME=[059AD690:01C22830] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.89.146.146] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud >Well I don't have the Franki Valli version, but I could get you a >copy of the full length true stereophonic version of "Let's Hang On" >by Mrs. Miller! LOL -Rusty I hope she at least changed the gender of the lyrics. Something is terribly wrong with the world when the Four Seasons can't get decent stereo, but Mrs. Miller can. For those of you unacquainted with Mrs. Elva Miller, she was an elderly soprano with terminal vibrato who recorded a couple horrid and very popular albums of mid 60's rock and roll hits for Capitol. An outrageous case of record company exploitation--it wasn't until her career was in full swing that she figured out that people liked her stuff because she sang so bad. There's some real audio on this page http://franklarosa.com/vinyl/Exhibit.jsp?AlbumID=77 and here's the "official" fan club site. http://www.mrsmillersworld.com/ narkspud _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jul 10 09:53:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 16:53:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 8419 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 16:53:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 16:53:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 16:53:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2002 16:53:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:53:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo vs. stereo records? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1597 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics FWIW, amongst many other characteristics, Stereo separation can vary greatly from record to record. Obviously some of the cheaper record companies didn't care much about anything except low price, so they gave us LPs pressed on cheap vinyl with tinny, overmodulated, distorted, narrow-separation sound. But good-quality LPs that were produced with care and attention to detail can deliver simply breathtaking sound quality that many say is better than what CDs can provide. It also depends on how much audio they crammed onto a single side of an LP. The longer the track, the narrower the grooves, and thus this puts a limitation on the dynamic range, bass response, and Stereo separation of the audio. This could be why I've never heard a "Greatest Hits" compilation LP that sounds as good as the original individual albums.... I also have *one* SQ Quadraphonic "Sound Effects Volume 15" record, which is a whole interesting animal all by itself! Reproduced with regular Stereo equipment, the quality is already excellent, and I can hear the rear channel elements basically phased into the L-R component, so that something intended for the Left-Rear shows up in the Left channel "out of phase", and Right-Rear audio shows up in the Right channel out of phase. This is actually superior in some respects to the now-almost-universally-popular Dolby Pro Logic system, which only provides a single rear "surround" channel fed to both rear speakers. You have to upgrade to one of the more fancy Dolby systems to get true left-to-right separation in the rear channels. From narkspud@hotmail.com Wed Jul 10 10:14:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 17:14:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 36312 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 17:14:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 17:14:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.172) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 17:14:00 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:14:00 -0700 Received: from 67.89.146.146 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:14:00 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [Dennis' AM Stereo List] - Re: the first stereo recording Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:14:00 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2002 17:14:00.0259 (UTC) FILETIME=[2EC14130:01C22835] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.89.146.146] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud >Due to problems in Europe (obviously), > > they couldn't screen "Fantasia" in europe, and wouldn't eventually break > > even until the late 1960s. > >What was the problem in Europe? World War II. > > In 1945, the first commercially-available stereophonic records were > > issued by London's Decca Records, which continued until 1948 or so. > > (Ian: A-HA!) ???????? I think he's confusing stereo with Decca/London's FFRR (Full Frequency Range Recording)--touted as the first commercially available records to reproduce the full frequency range of human hearing. This was considered quite a breakthrough in high-fidelity recording, but (here's my favorite phrase again) not stereo. narkspud _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From narkspud@hotmail.com Wed Jul 10 11:56:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 18:56:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 63728 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 18:56:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 18:56:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 18:56:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2002 18:56:19 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:56:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo vs. stereo records? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1127 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: >But good-quality LPs that were > produced with care and attention to detail can deliver simply > breathtaking sound quality that many say is better than what CDs can > provide. Remember, original LP pressings are mastered from brand new master tapes. CD reissues are mastered from tapes that have been sitting on a shelf for several years. And I won't start (again) on the relative lack of mastering care that many CD reissues exhibit. I've found that the better sound of most LPs can be attributed to tape condition and/or the human factor. >The longer the track, the narrower the grooves, and thus this > puts a limitation on the dynamic range, bass response, and Stereo > separation of the audio. This could be why I've never heard > a "Greatest Hits" compilation LP that sounds as good as the original > individual albums.... The other reason is that greatest hits LPs are usually mastered from dubs of the master tapes of the original LPs. In the dark days of analog (hee hee), the generation loss could be significant. narkspud From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Jul 10 12:01:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 19:01:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 74858 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 19:01:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 19:01:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 19:01:32 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn83.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.87]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:01:31 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} AM Stereo vs. stereo records? Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:01:30 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In the dark days of analog (hee hee), the generation loss could be significant. narkspud [Michael J. Richard] Yep! Hissssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss ssssssssssssssssssssssssss!!! Still to this day why I don't like factory-made cassettes. I'd rather have a cassette of something that I made on my nice Pioneer cassette recorder directly from CD with GOOD LEVELS versus something from the record company that is probably a high-speed dub of a dub of a dub of a dub (rub a dub dub) MJR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bryancain57@yahoo.com Wed Jul 10 12:47:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: bryancain57@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 19:47:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 87184 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 19:47:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 19:47:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 19:47:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2002 19:47:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:47:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Corporation- Ruled Radio Losing..... Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 327 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bryancain57" X-Originating-IP: 63.188.16.19 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=111365738 X-Yahoo-Profile: bryancain57 This was the subject of an (AP) article in Monday's C-Town bird cage liner.It mentions that Arbitron has lowered the listening time averages of American listeners, from 23 hours per week in '93 to 20.5. It blames ClearChannel in a substantially long column.I have 9 of their stations in my region , and 4 Infinity drones! From jsgil@hal-pc.org Wed Jul 10 12:57:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 19:57:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 18564 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 19:57:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 19:57:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 19:57:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2002 19:57:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:57:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo vs. stereo records? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1929 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.130.4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > Obviously some of the cheaper record > companies didn't care much about anything except low price, so they > gave us LPs pressed on cheap vinyl with tinny, overmodulated, > distorted, narrow-separation sound. Back when they made 45's the LP's were pressed with virgin vinyl and what was left over that squeezed out of the hold was called "flash". This flash was a lower quality of vinyl but since the 45's turned at a faster speed it didn't matter that much. When 45's ceased to be produced the cheaper record companies took this "flash" and added it back into the virgin vinyl mix to save money. This had a bad effect in that it increased the surface noise and the high frequencies didn't last as the vinyl wasn't as resilient giving that familiar sizzle sound of the highs after the record had been played many times. > I also have *one* SQ Quadraphonic "Sound Effects Volume 15" record, > which is a whole interesting animal all by itself! Reproduced with > regular Stereo equipment, the quality is already excellent, and I can > hear the rear channel elements basically phased into the L-R > component, so that something intended for the Left-Rear shows up in > the Left channel "out of phase", and Right-Rear audio shows up in the > Right channel out of phase. I seem to remember that the Quadraphonic records put the rear channel information on a 38KHz subcarrier within the L-R channel putting the upper sideband as high as 53KHz requiring vinyl to have a frequency response almost 2.5 times as great as a CD. I think this is one of the reasons that vinyl sounds so much sweeter in the high end in that the HF are recorded more smoothly where the CD has quantitizing distortion in the very high frequencies. These Quad records also had to be pressed on very high quality vinyl and had to be played using a shibata cartridge. JSG From jsgil@hal-pc.org Wed Jul 10 13:12:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 20:12:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 83077 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 20:12:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 20:12:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 20:12:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2002 20:12:50 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:12:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Corporation- Ruled Radio Losing..... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 454 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.130.4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "bryancain57" wrote: > This was the subject of an (AP) article in Monday's C-Town bird cage > liner.It mentions that Arbitron has lowered the listening time > averages of American listeners, from 23 hours per week in '93 to > 20.5. It blames ClearChannel in a substantially long column.I have 9 > of their stations in my region , and 4 Infinity drones! Is there an online version of this article? JSG From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Jul 10 13:44:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 20:44:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 62918 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 20:44:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 20:44:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 20:44:50 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.132]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:43:28 -0400 Message-ID: <000501c22852$ad2afc60$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: Subject: food for thought Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:45:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I am taking this opportunity to announce my retirement from the radio biz. Many things have influenced this descision, and I am not about to go into them now. I wish everyone the best, and sincerely hope that "someone" will carry on in this endeavor. I am NOT taking on any new projects. The couple of projects that I already have for folks will be done asap, but no more after these. Thank you in advance for not bombarding me with questions about my descision. It is final. I leave you with this quote, which I think is quite appropriate: "The radio business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." Hunter S. Thompson CC From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Jul 10 14:39:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 21:39:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 98073 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 21:39:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 21:39:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 21:39:53 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn83.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.87]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:39:52 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} OT: LONG Songs vs. radio edits Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:39:49 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Kevin... Would you believe I've been searching WinMX all day long and I just found it? Yup! GOT IT! Frankie's pleading intro and all :) You sent me on a quest for stereo! And I found pay dirt. Yes, I had to download quite a few of them, letting it get to about 10% or so til the drum kicked in to see if it was stereo. All of this on a 56K modem. I finally just got it! I noticed it was at a high quality 256K bit rate. So I figured "Hmmm....maybe this guy knew he had a high quality stereo version and he encoded it at a high rate to preserve quality". I guess he did :) Let's see. Ya know, we REALLY need to start a "music" email list or something to talk about stuff like this. Another interesting question I had was does anyone know about the "Foundations" ? For the most part, their 2 big hits "Build Me Up Buttercup" and "Baby Now That I've Found You" for the most part I've always heard in mono. Finally I heard a stereo version of "build me up buttercup" on the radio the other day. I wasn't impressed because I don't THINK it was the original version. Sounded just a tad different on some of the vocals. Could have been just because it was in stereo or just that it was redone by them and sounded just like the original, but in stereo. Don't know. Meanwhile I've never EVER heard a stereo version of "Baby Now That I've Found You". THAT will be my next quest! MJR n WYO -----Original Message----- From: kevtronics [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com] The decision is made more complex in the rare cases where the "good" full version of a song is only available in MONO, while the less appealing radio edit is in Stereo... such as "Let's Hang On" by Frankie Valli & The Four Seasons. (If anybody has the full version, with Frankie's "pleading" intro, in STEREO, I'd like to hear it -- my "official" Four Seasons Anthology only has it in Mono.) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From narkspud@hotmail.com Wed Jul 10 14:50:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 21:50:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 67942 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 21:50:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 21:50:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 21:50:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2002 21:50:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:50:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: LONG Songs vs. radio edits Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 713 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud >Finally I heard a stereo version of "build me up buttercup" > on the radio the other day. I wasn't impressed because I don't THINK it was > the original version. Sounded just a tad different on some of the vocals. One of those mix differences I've been going on about. The mono has a doubletracked vocal, the stereo does not. They're both "original" in that if you bought it when it first came out, you got the doubletrack on the mono 45 and the single track on the stereo LP. I'll have to check on the status of "Baby Now That I've Found You" when I get home to my CD library, but I'm 75% sure that I have a stereo mix of it. BTW, I'd like to hear that stereo intro to "Let's Hang On." narkspud From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Jul 10 14:59:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 21:59:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 22562 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 21:59:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 21:59:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 21:59:22 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn83.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.87]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:59:22 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} OT: LONG Songs vs. radio edits Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:59:20 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Narkspud. I'm gonna continue my quest on the foundations as well for "Baby Now..." In the meantime...for you and Kevin....in the intro to "let's hang on" Frankie's "pleading" isn't really in stereo. He's in the center more or less in mono, and the instruments (cello...violins) are there as well. And overall in the intro there is a slight touch of reverb. Really sounds like the record company did it that way and it's supposed to be that way. Once the drum and guitar kicks in, though....it's MAJOR stereo! Drum and guitar are in only the left channel....then when the tamborine comes in it's only in the right. ( I LOVE that kind of separation!! :) ). Sure wish I had a high-speed connection to play with all this stuff.....it'd also make it a lot easier to "trade" mp3's of things back and forth. MJR -----Original Message----- From: narkspud [mailto:narkspud@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 3:50 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: LONG Songs vs. radio edits BTW, I'd like to hear that stereo intro to "Let's Hang On." narkspud [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jul 10 15:33:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 22:33:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 93960 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 22:33:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 22:33:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 22:33:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2002 22:33:06 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 22:33:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: food for thought Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000501c22852$ad2afc60$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 779 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.69.25 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I am taking this opportunity to announce my retirement from the > radio biz. Familiar words to any Art Bell listener..... is all I can say. Best of luck in your current and future endeavors, Chris. I think we can all agree that the radio industry as a whole is not very hospitable right now, at least in the USA, from any angle -- stations, station employees, equipment manufacturers, and most of all, listeners. But -- every industry has its ups and downs. Who thought 15 years ago that the U.S. car makers would have any chance against the imports? And more importantly, who thought 5 years ago that anybody cared about AM Stereo anymore? *We* do, all 86 of us here right now, and that is the most important thing. Kevin Tekel Co-Sysop of The AM Stereo Forum From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Jul 10 15:44:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 22:44:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 6477 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 22:44:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 22:44:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 22:44:58 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn83.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.87]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:44:57 -0600 To: Subject: DFE Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:44:56 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Any of you remember back a year or two when Kevin T did some "upsampling" of different audio files? Kevin, do you remember? I think you called it DFE - Digital Frequency Expansion.... where a program (possibly an MP3 converter) took and upsampled 22khz to 44 and actually kinda "added" some high end? It was neat and it sounded pretty good. I'm just curious to know what it was and what program did it and how? I have some low quality files that sound muddy that I'd like to try it with. MJR From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Jul 10 15:45:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 22:45:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 64414 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 22:45:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 22:45:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 22:45:19 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.42]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:43:58 -0400 Message-ID: <002301c22863$819b30e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: food for thought Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:45:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Well, I am not leaving the list- I have not lost interest in the goings on, good or bad. With my current situation, and for the forseeable future, I found that there was simply no time to get a lot of things done that are more important than radio at this time. I laso need some "Me" time... :-) One of the curious things about the "e-mail" age we are in, is that people expect an instant answer. It was getting to the point where I was 3 to 4 weeks behind in email, and some people were emailing twice a day if I didn't answer right away. Radio will always be a hobby for me, but that's it. cc From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Jul 10 17:16:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 11 Jul 2002 00:16:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 90190 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2002 00:16:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2002 00:16:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2002 00:16:17 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-210.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.210]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g6B0D5Ih001519 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:13:26 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <005401c22870$d2cd18e0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: food for thought Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:20:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I'll second that one, Kevin. Glad you're not going away from the list. Chris, could you please give me some advice as to how I'd come across the schematics and service info of various radios? When I was in Milwaukee a couple weeks ago, I stopped by WKSH and asked the only person who happened to be there at the time if she thought their listeners would be interested enough in having their radios converted for a donation. She liked the idea, but said I'd have to run it by the manager. I haven't done that yet, and won't unless I know I can come up with a good source of diagrams. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevtronics" > > Best of luck in your current and future endeavors, Chris. > > > And more importantly, who thought 5 years ago that anybody cared about > AM Stereo anymore? *We* do, all 86 of us here right now, and that is > the most important thing. > From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Jul 10 17:27:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 11 Jul 2002 00:27:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 38890 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2002 00:27:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2002 00:27:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2002 00:27:15 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-210.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.210]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g6B0OMIh003382; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:24:23 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <005801c22872$5adfe2c0$d3a9fea9@me> To: , "[Dennis' AM Stereo List]" Subject: Motorola 1310 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:31:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I didn't want to go announcing anything until I knew I had something for sure. Two weeks ago I was in Milwaukee to pick up a couple of old racks and a small satellite dish from our sister station there, WRRD (ex-WYLO.) While at the transmitter site, I noticed the old AM stereo generator sitting on a high shelf. Since I didn't know it was there, I hadn't gotten any advance permission to take it, so it didn't come home with me, and their (contract) engineer was busy with other things that day and wasn't available to ask permission. The guy who let me into the transmitter building was someone who installs studios for Salem, and had done the WWTC studios in spring 2001. Anyhoo, he did give me the engineer's email address, and I asked about it, and I got it today! Didn't cost me anything. Nice thing about it is it's already to go on 540, so I'll be able to use it with my LPB RC25B. I think the mod mon went to Denver when they built KBJD, but that's OK because I bought an identical one on ebay some time ago. I've got a lot of work to do around the house this summer, so it may be a late fall/early winter project. Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jul 10 19:06:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 11 Jul 2002 02:06:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 82652 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2002 02:06:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2002 02:06:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2002 02:06:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2002 02:06:33 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 02:06:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: DFE Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2423 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.40 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I'm just curious to know what it was and what program did it and > how? I have some low quality files that sound muddy that I'd like > to try it with. Basically what I did was a crude digital form of the infamous Aphex "Aural Exciter", which makes audio sound "brighter" and adds "sizzle" by adding in extra high frequencies based on harmonics of the lower frequencies. My form of this as so-called "DFE" was nothing more than digital aliasing -- simply taking the audio in, say, the region of 5 to 10 kHz (i.e. the top end of AM audio) and "mirroring" it into the 10 to 15 kHz range. In this case, a frequency originally appearing at 6 kHz would be mirrored up to 14 kHz, while an original frequency at 9 kHz would be mirrored up to 11 kHz. Lots of people get unintentional "DFE" when they record audio on their computer at a sampling rate of 22.05 kHz, and then encode it into an MP3 file with a sampling rate of 44.1 kHz. The maximum frequency response of a "22.05 kHz" audio file is 11 kHz (11.025 kHz, to be exact -- half of the sampling rate), so that point becomes the "mirror" where lower sounds get reflected to higher sounds. This is why that one file of 1377 3MP as "Melbourne's Easy Mix" in AM Stereo sounds so bright, and also a bit "sizzly"... because of this 22.05 -> 44.1 kHz mirroring effect. Newer and better MP3 encoders will use a filter to prevent this, so if you "upsample" from 22 to 44, it will place a "brick wall" in the audio at 11 kHz, and no sounds above this frequency will get through, since they did not exist in the original file. "Mirroring" can also happen in the opposite direction, where high sounds get mirrored into lower sounds. This is what was happening with early CDs, which is partly why they were criticised as sounding "cold" and "harsh". CD audio uses the 44.1 kHz sampling rate, which gives it a (at least theoretical) maximum frequency response of 22.05 kHz. But if filtering is not used while *recording*, frequencies above this point will get mirrored into lower frequencies, so that, say, the really, *really* high-frequency "sizzle" of a cymbal crash (22 to almost 30 kHz on a good LP -- mostly above the range of human hearing) gets mirrored downwards into the below-22 kHz range, which people *can* hear, and although the effect is subtle, it just doesn't sound "natural" because of the "false" treble content being added. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jul 10 20:14:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 11 Jul 2002 03:14:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 73175 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2002 03:14:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2002 03:14:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2002 03:14:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2002 03:14:23 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 03:14:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo vs. stereo records? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3353 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.40 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The fact that Herb Alpert was the A of A&M also guaranteed > budget-busting state-of-the-art sound quality. "The Lonely Bull" > (A&M's first LP release) wasn't so hot stereo-wise, but after that, > Alpert's material sounded just incredible, and makes excellent AM > Stereo demo material! Indeed... the record I have was Herb's third album with the Tijuana Brass, from 1964, and the eighth album that A&M ever mastered (hence, "A&M 108" is its code, with "The Lonely Bull" being A&M 101). The whole album is absolutely fantastic to listen to... everthing has the delightful light touch of "vacuum tube reverb" on it, and the bass line is so rich and undistorted that it's the closest thing I've heard to a real live Fender electric bass playing through a tube amp. Oh, and of course the Stereo separation is simply the widest I've ever heard from any LP, particularly down in the bass line, which Herb always has off to one side, rather than in the middle (a lost art these days, especially with the popularity of single mono subwoofers). For those with patience to download a 3.4 megabyte MP3 file (encoded at a very high quality 256 kbps), here is a clip from Herb & the Brass's version of "The Girl From Ipanema": http://rvcc2.raritanval.edu/ktek9053/ipanema.mp3 Keep in mind that this was directly recorded from the LP on my $99 turntable into the Aux input of my computer's Sound Blaster 16 card, with no addition noise reduction, EQ boosting, or stereo expansion effects... and also keep in mind that this is from the original 1964 LP, with a "Shop-Rite Drugs - Reg. $4.79, Our Low Price $3.59" sticker still on the shrinkwrapped cover! A set of headphones with good low bass response is a *must* for fully enjoying this clip! Of course, this isn't the only good LP ever made... just sampling the collection I have on hand, other particularly stunning examples of rich, clear, wide Stereo analog sound include the original Columbia soundtrack LP for "My Fair Lady", and Linda Ronstadt's traditionally- styled 1983 venture with the Nelson Riddle orchestra, "What's New" (an Asylum/Elektra recording). I pick these ones out because of their wide Stereo separation, low distortion, and great dynamic range. I curiously have one LP labelled as "Monaural *and* Stereo", which doesn't sound any different from normal "Stereo" LPs, and also one LP which claims to be the Mono version (right on the disc's label), but is actually full Stereo when played! That's in my "oddities" bin, along with a 45 RPM single where the labels are reversed... you play one side and the label is showing you the track title for the other side! The "Boo! Hiss!" bin includes a 1971 Elvis LP proudly identifying itself as "RCA Camden MONO", a 1976 ABBA "Greatest Hits" LP that is almost unlistenably overmodulated, and a 1975 Four Seasons compilation double-LP that has totally destroyed Stereo imaging (perhaps from somebody playing it with a "forbidden" Mono turntable?). And of course a lot of old '50s and '60s 45 RPM singles where the modulation is so "hot" that a sewing pin stuck into a postcard and dragged along the groove provides room-filling volume, but that was the style back then! Required AM Stereo content: Bob Bittner at WJIB 740 AM Stereo in Boston plays stereo LPs on the air and they sound great! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jul 10 20:28:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 11 Jul 2002 03:28:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 37281 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2002 03:28:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2002 03:28:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2002 03:28:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2002 03:28:00 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 03:27:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Excess Verbiage Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 512 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.40 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics LOL... some of the fanciest descriptions I've seen were used on the "disclaimers" on Mono LPs after the advent of Stereo. Here's one particularly self-promoting example: "This record will play monaurally on all phonographs including those designed or adapted to play stereophonic records. On stereophonic equipment, the monaural sound obtained through the utilization of multiple channels will greatly enhance your listening pleasure." I suppose the person who wrote this is now writing car brochures! From amfmdx@fastq.com Wed Jul 10 23:16:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 11 Jul 2002 06:16:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 72647 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2002 06:16:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2002 06:16:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2002 06:16:50 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d143-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.175]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g6B6Gmn58612; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:16:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <02a101c228a1$3c4696e0$c9f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: Cc: "Christopher Cuff" References: <000501c22852$ad2afc60$0101a8c0@pavilion> Subject: Re: {AMSF} food for thought Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:07:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Fear and loathing at the AM stereo bar and lounge.... I am not going to ask why. Its none of my business but I am going to ask you if you are going to stick around on the lists. Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Cuff" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 1:45 PM Subject: {AMSF} food for thought > I am taking this opportunity to announce my retirement from the radio biz. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jul 10 23:44:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 11 Jul 2002 06:44:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 31389 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2002 06:44:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2002 06:44:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2002 06:44:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2002 06:44:52 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 06:44:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: food for thought Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <02a101c228a1$3c4696e0$c9f9bed8@kredding430cdt> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 574 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.40 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I am not going to ask why. Its none of my business but I am going to > ask you if you are going to stick around on the lists. Chris had said he'll still be on this list... he just doesn't have enough time on his hands to stay as seriously involved as he has been before... which I can completely understand. Kevin T. (right now listening to the "Visual Sound Stereo" of a 1962 Christmas album featuring The Chipmunks... with the best separation and Stereo effects, bar none, I have heard yet from an LP -- it would put both Herb Alpert and the Beatles to shame!) From dav259@csiro.au Thu Jul 11 01:50:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 11 Jul 2002 08:50:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 63687 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2002 08:50:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2002 08:50:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2002 08:50:50 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA23013; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:50:48 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:50:48 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Cc: iaaas list Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: food for thought In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, kevtronics wrote: > (right now listening to the "Visual Sound Stereo" of a 1962 Christmas > album featuring The Chipmunks... with the best separation and Stereo > effects, bar none, I have heard yet from an LP -- it would put both > Herb Alpert and the Beatles to shame!) One of the best LP stereo recordings I've ever heard was Burt Kaempfert's - including "That Happy Feeling" - which starts with a bit of woodwind and percussion - then gradually brings in the strings and brass - and comes to a great crecendo (climax - I can't spell it) - when you are bombarded with the orchestra and chorus every which way. On Polydor. Ian From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu Jul 11 07:20:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 11 Jul 2002 14:20:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 36894 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2002 14:20:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2002 14:20:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.173) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2002 14:20:27 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 07:20:27 -0700 Received: from 209.240.222.130 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:20:26 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: bryancain57@yahoo.com, amstereo@bellsouth.net Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Corporation- Ruled Radio Losing..... Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:20:26 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2002 14:20:27.0778 (UTC) FILETIME=[1AD87E20:01C228E6] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.222.130] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 I have tried to locate that article about radio listening habits declining and the mention of ClearChannel, but can't locate it. Do you have an url for that article, would love to read it , print it and send it to some people. donn, st petersburg,fl ----Original Message Follows---- This was the subject of an (AP) article in Monday's C-Town bird cage liner.It mentions that Arbitron has lowered the listening time averages of American listeners, from 23 hours per week in '93 to 20.5. It blames ClearChannel in a substantially long column.I have 9 of their stations in my region , and 4 Infinity drones! _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Jul 11 07:32:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 11 Jul 2002 14:32:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 83003 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2002 14:32:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2002 14:32:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14202.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.144) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2002 14:32:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20020711143221.35133.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 07:32:21 PDT Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 07:32:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Thank you Christopher Cuff To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Christopher Cuff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I just want to publicly acknowledge Mr. Christopher Cuff for all of his un-ending efforts for the cause of AM Stereo. It’s nice to know that there are others of us that appreciate this technology, and Chris’ hard work with converters and transmitters to enable others to enjoy the spectacular stereo sound of AM radio has been great. Chris, please “stay tuned” so you can add your two cents worth on our groups ramblings, and thanks again for all of your time, effort, energy, (and money) expended. None of your work was in vain, for if even one C-Quam station stays on the air, and we have our Alfredo Lite transmitters whirling along, AM Stereo will live on and on and on. Thank you! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Jul 11 07:44:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 11 Jul 2002 14:44:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 4614 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2002 14:44:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2002 14:44:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14203.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.145) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2002 14:44:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20020711144448.31391.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 07:44:48 PDT Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 07:44:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Lets give it one last big push team... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio If AMS is going out, it’s going out with big flames, as I’ve been burning-up my keyboard, modem and a pile of stamps with letters about AMS in my ‘last ditch effort’ to avoid having inferior digital radio shoved down our throats (at least inferior digital at this time - my opinion may change if they come-up with something better). There’s a letter in Broadcast Electronics Radio magazine (BE Radio) in July, which mirrors an FCC letter about fixing RECEVIERS, not digitzing transmitters to ’fix’ AM radio, and the value of DSP Cquam AMAX receivers. I’m still pestering IC chip manufacturer MAXIM in Sunnyvale, California to resume manufacture of the Motorola Cquam chips (particularly AMAX stereo chips), so if any of the rest of you want to ask Maxim about the availability of Cquam chips, be my guest. If anyone can give them the statistics on how many AMS chips were sold, they are still in need of that information, as well as any auto manufacturer interest in adding a low-cost AMS/DSP/AMAX/Noise Blanker AM chip to their radios. I think this summer is going to be the big push, as the FCC either does something, or the usual nothing, in deciding the future fate of our current no-cost AM & FM broadcast bands. BTW, you have only a week to reply about any of the existing comments on FCC MM #99-325 about IBOC AM. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From philipr@irac.pe.ca Thu Jul 11 07:47:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 11 Jul 2002 14:47:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 97206 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2002 14:47:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2002 14:47:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2002 14:47:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2002 14:47:06 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:47:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Thank You Chris! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1135 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking A special thank you to Chris Cuff for his work for the cause of AM Stereo - and for the decoders, Alfredo-Lites and other delights he has made for so many of us. Chris, we will miss your products, but we'll be glad you'll still be a part of the group! A specific thank you for the decoder I received from you Chris, and more recently, the Alfredo Lite [such a nifty little transmitter]. Hopefully there will be a company, or one or more people who will take up the role of providing decoders and low power CQUAM transmitters. I suspect that someone will move in to fill the need. If after a while no one has moved to fill in the need, perhaps we'll try to divide up the work and some members of the group will share the burden - a cooperative effort. Chris, the quality and attention to detail that I can see on the PC board of the Alfredo-Lite I just received from you [and that I can hear as well] attests to the enormous conritibution you have made to the group and to AM Stereo. Good luck in all your endeavours, stay with us in the group and I know the torch will go on. Once again - Thank you Chris! Phil From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Jul 11 10:42:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 11 Jul 2002 17:42:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 34565 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2002 17:42:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2002 17:42:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14208.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2002 17:42:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20020711174234.71429.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:42:34 PDT Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:42:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Link 1 of 3: Possible AMS Ally? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio http://www.acmusicresearch.com/page837302.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Jul 11 10:44:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 11 Jul 2002 17:44:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 12827 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2002 17:44:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2002 17:44:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14203.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.145) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2002 17:44:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20020711174417.74644.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:44:17 PDT Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:44:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Link 2 of 3: Is this chip the same chip we already know, or different? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Does this really have a pulse noise reduction system in the MC13020-VP? http://www.semicon.toshiba.co.jp/eng/solution/audio/suct/su310103/caraudio/block/index_e.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Jul 11 10:45:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 11 Jul 2002 17:45:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 38815 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2002 17:45:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2002 17:45:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14208.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2002 17:45:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20020711174556.72242.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:45:56 PDT Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:45:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Link 3 of 3: AMS in the News Again - July 2002 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Let's keep beating the drum for AMS: http://beradio.com/ar/radio_readers_speak/ Sorry for 3 messages, but I wasn't able to cut and past them in one message. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From narkspud@hotmail.com Thu Jul 11 11:06:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 11 Jul 2002 18:06:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 15215 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2002 18:06:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2002 18:06:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2002 18:06:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2002 18:06:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:06:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo vs. stereo records? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3522 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud > For those with patience to download a 3.4 megabyte MP3 file (encoded > at a very high quality 256 kbps), here is a clip from Herb & the > Brass's version of "The Girl From Ipanema": > > http://rvcc2.raritanval.edu/ktek9053/ipanema.mp3 A must-listen, stereo fans. Nice rip! It doesn't sound like Haeco-CSG to me, BTW, just an altogether awesome pressing. > I curiously have one LP labelled as "Monaural *and* Stereo", which > doesn't sound any different from normal "Stereo" LPs, and also one LP > which claims to be the Mono version (right on the disc's label), but > is actually full Stereo when played! That's in my "oddities" bin, > along with a 45 RPM single where the labels are reversed... you play > one side and the label is showing you the track title for the other > side! Gotta love those minimum-wage pressing plant workers. I've unsealed a brand new copy of ELO's "Joyride" soundtrack (UA records) to find a Horslips LP inside (DJM records--an unrelated label but apparently using the same pressing plant). My British "Revolver" has an EMI Columbia label on one side instead of Parlophone. My Kingsmen's Greatest Hits (Wand Records) has the side 2 label on both sides. And there's the legendary Mr. Pickwick LP of the Beatles Tony Sheridan recordings, which swears all over the cover that it's fake stereo, but it's 100% genuine and sounds fantastic--including "My Bonnie," which is mono on all the CDs! >a 1976 ABBA "Greatest Hits" LP that is > almost unlistenably overmodulated, Record club, by any chance? The record clubs did their own pressings "under license" (there's a little known fact for you) using multi-generation dubs of the master tapes, cut with all the care that the intern could muster. They're always inferior-sounding. Columbia Record Club is generally the worst, in my experience--you can identify them by the CRC printed somewhere on the cover and/or label. 90% of the US ABBA LP's I've seen are record club pressings. Although "Greatest Hits I" sounds pretty bad anyway because it's too long for optimal sound on a single LP. I like the RCA Record Club edition of "Best of the Doors," in which a clueless employee crammed the entire 74-minute CD, complete with bonus cuts, onto a single record. You can imagine how that sounded. But it's still a collectors' item. > and a 1975 Four Seasons compilation > double-LP that has totally destroyed Stereo imaging (perhaps from > somebody playing it with a "forbidden" Mono turntable?). The Private Stock set or the K-Tel? I just picked up a mid-70's 4-disc Four Seasons compilation on Longines Symphonette. HORRID mastering job--sounded like cassettes. I donated it back to the thrift store from whence it came. Your best bets on the Four Seasons are either the Rhino reissues or the original Philips and Vee Jay pressings (and even then, expect fake stereo to rear its ugly head at times). > And of > course a lot of old '50s and '60s 45 RPM singles where the modulation > is so "hot" that a sewing pin stuck into a postcard and dragged along > the groove provides room-filling volume, but that was the style back > then! Oh, so YOU'RE the one that's been doing that to the 45's I buy!! Quit it! :-p You want to hear some overmodulation, buy a German pressing. Of almost anything. Germans are apparently not very sensitive to this sort of distortion. Are we sufficiently off-topic yet? Sorry. Go listen to that MP3, everybody. narkspud From narkspud@hotmail.com Thu Jul 11 11:12:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 11 Jul 2002 18:12:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 12835 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2002 18:12:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2002 18:12:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2002 18:12:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2002 18:12:37 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:12:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: food for thought Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 615 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud > Kevin T. > (right now listening to the "Visual Sound Stereo" of a 1962 Christmas > album featuring The Chipmunks... with the best separation and Stereo > effects, bar none, I have heard yet from an LP -- it would put both > Herb Alpert and the Beatles to shame!) Not necessarily *better* than Herb Alpert says I, but the Chipmunks did win several Grammys for their engineering. You gotta hear their rendition of "America the Beautiful." A cappella. Chipmunks on the left, HUMONGOUS choir on the right. Silly for audio reporduction purposes, but adds wonderfully to the humor of the proceedings. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu Jul 11 13:08:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 11 Jul 2002 20:08:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 20431 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2002 20:08:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2002 20:08:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2002 20:08:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2002 20:08:09 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 20:08:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Link 2 of 3: Is this chip the same chip we already know, or different? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020711174417.74644.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1091 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.130.77 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., Johnny Electron wrote: > Does this really have a pulse noise reduction system in the MC13020-VP? > > http://www.semicon.toshiba.co.jp/eng/solution/audio/suct/su310103/caraudio/block/index_e.htm > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free > http://sbc.yahoo.com The suffixes on Motorola part numbers usually define package style but the data sheet I have doesn't show any other package other than the plastic DIP so these letters may designate the SMD version. If the chip was redesigned it probably would carry a different number. For instance the AMAX version of the MC13022 has the part number of MC13122. The way the picture shows the pulse reduction seem to indicate that it functions after the left & right signals leave the chip as if it is a audio level noise gate. I think that part number under the "AM Stereo Pulse Noise Reduction" block may be a typo. It wouldn't be that hard to incorporate an audio noise blanker to use with this chip. JSG From narkspud@hotmail.com Thu Jul 11 14:53:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 11 Jul 2002 21:53:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 59632 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2002 21:53:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2002 21:53:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2002 21:53:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2002 21:53:12 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 21:53:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Link 1 of 3: Possible AMS Ally? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020711174234.71429.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1364 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@y..., Johnny Electron wrote: > http://www.acmusicresearch.com/page837302.htm Fired off an email to him, and got a speedy and very friendly reply. His name's Eric Norberg, he runs a music research outfit specifically targeted to the Adult Contemporary format, and he's definitely an AM Stereo ally, suggesting "exciters on" to all his radio station clients, and owning a number of AM Stereo radios himself. He says he's been told (by people who have heard it) that AM IBOC sounds great, but doesn't understand why any station would want it for daytime only, and certainly doesn't understand why they'd have an exciter present but unhooked in the meantime. he considers AM Stereo a competitive advantage, pure and simple, for the 15 million or so (his number!) car AM stereos on the road right now. On the site he also discusses how poorly programmed most AC stations are now--slavishly relying on the Billboard charts (currently based mostly on airplay, which I translate as Clear Channel and pals) and their own personal (mostly male) tastes, and totally ignoring such irrelevant indicators as, oh, CD SALES. This page is a great read: http://www.acmusicresearch.com/page505067.htm and scroll down a ways and see what he says about our AM Stereo (where available) pals Radio Disney! narkspud From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jul 11 18:10:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Jul 2002 01:09:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 34441 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2002 01:09:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2002 01:09:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2002 01:09:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2002 01:09:59 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 01:09:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT: superb Stereo LPs Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1385 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > A must-listen, stereo fans. Nice rip! It doesn't sound like > Haeco-CSG to me, BTW, just an altogether awesome pressing. Another excellent LP I pulled out of my dusty collection (including those from a family member who buys old LPs just for the cover art -- he doesn't have a turntable!) is a 1960 "Command Records" release simply entitled "Bongos/Flutes/Guitars". I thought it was just something used in music classes at schools... but I discovered it's a fabulous early Stereo demo LP, with wild separation, and each song begins with a "balance checkout" -- first, a musical passage only in one channel, then another only in the other channel, and then full Stereo. Fantastic stuff -- especially since the specs for my TEAC turntable claim that it only has 18 dB of Stereo separation, which I simply don't believe (perhaps they were using K-Tel and Pickwick records during their testing?). A sample MP3 of one of the tracks will be available here after I upload it with my slow modem: http://rvcc2.raritanval.edu/ktek9053/bongos.mp3 Needless to say this is the kind of stuff that makes excellent demonstration material for AM Stereo -- if I had more time on my hands I would make a batch of CD-Rs of the more impressive tracks, pre-processed for excellent AM Stereo broadcast on an "Alfredo Lite", with liners and promos for AM Stereo between each song. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jul 11 18:23:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Jul 2002 01:23:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 89090 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2002 01:23:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2002 01:23:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2002 01:23:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2002 01:23:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 01:23:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: food for thought Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1040 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > the Chipmunks did win several Grammys for their engineering. It is funny to slow the recordings down, to hear the original adult male voices singing loooong notes and talking slooowly so that they could be sped up to Chipmunk speed and still be in-tune and understandable. I used to have one cassette deck where the "high speed dubbing" feature worked all the time, even when just recording from an external input. I did try recording at high speed, just to see if it would gain any fidelity when played back at high speed, but it didn't do much... unlike some of the professional reel-to-reel equipment used by recording studios in the '70s, which ran at 30 inches per second (that's fast!) and had a S/N ratio of better than 80 dB *without* the use of Dolby NR. A related experiment would be to play half-speed music through an AM receiver, and then speed it up afterwards, which would give you double the frequency response. AM stations could have true 20 kHz response if they just played their music at half-speed! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jul 11 18:44:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Jul 2002 01:44:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 33253 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2002 01:44:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2002 01:44:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2002 01:44:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2002 01:44:21 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 01:44:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Link 1 of 3: Possible AMS Ally? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1247 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > On the site he also discusses how poorly programmed most AC stations > are now--slavishly relying on the Billboard charts (currently based > mostly on airplay, which I translate as Clear Channel and pals) and > their own personal (mostly male) tastes, and totally ignoring such > irrelevant indicators as, oh, CD SALES. The thing I hate most about most music radio formats is their short attention span, and selective memory. Some songs that are not current hits get played over and over and over again, while there are hundreds of songs that are forgotten *forever* as soon as they leave the current Top 20? This is why if I ever hear a new song I like on the radio, I have to find out what it is and write it down NOW, otherwise it might be gone in a few weeks and I'll never hear it again! I've even had DJs commiserate with me over the phone when I call up and request a song that we both happen to remember and like, but the station just isn't playing anymore. The only time this station has any real variety is every Halloween, when they have a "Scary Songs Weekend", playing stuff like "Brand New Key", "Feelings", "Alone Again Naturally", "Seasons In The Sun", as well as duets by Willie Nelson and Julio Iglesias.... From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Jul 11 18:53:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Jul 2002 01:53:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 15388 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2002 01:53:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2002 01:53:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2002 01:53:13 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-211.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.211]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g6C1oKIh017589 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 20:50:21 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00a301c22947$89da5800$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020711174417.74644.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Link 2 of 3: Is this chip the same chip we already know, or different? Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 20:57:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I'll bet it does, even though I have no first-hand experience. Seems to me this was never made by Mot., but was by Toshiba. Strange. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnny Electron" To: Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 12:44 PM Subject: {AMSF} Link 2 of 3: Is this chip the same chip we already know, or different? > Does this really have a pulse noise reduction system in the MC13020-VP? From narkspud@hotmail.com Thu Jul 11 20:52:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Jul 2002 03:52:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 40685 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2002 03:52:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2002 03:52:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2002 03:52:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2002 03:52:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 03:52:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: No Foundations Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 402 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.224.23.9 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud Well, actually, no stereo "Baby Now That I've Found You" on CD. Next time I'm out at the storage room where my LPs are melting, I'll see if I've got it there. I do have the the stereo "Build Me Up Buttercup" on a couple CDs (one's on LaserLight and the other is Ripete's first "Beach Music Anthology" set), and it's a really nice mix. Nothing like Herb Alpert, but still pretty good. narkspud From dav259@csiro.au Fri Jul 12 02:04:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Jul 2002 09:04:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 93829 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2002 09:04:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2002 09:04:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2002 09:04:16 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26462; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 19:04:13 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 19:04:13 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Cc: Christopher Cuff Subject: Re: {AMSF} Thank you Christopher Cuff In-Reply-To: <20020711143221.35133.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Chris me too 3XY! T H A N K Y O U ! you know how much we all love you and what you've done! stay on board - there's still alot we're gonna achieve. Ian ____________________________________________ On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Johnny Electron wrote: > I just want to publicly acknowledge Mr. Christopher Cuff for all of his > un-ending efforts for the cause of AM Stereo. It's nice to know that there are > others of us that appreciate this technology, and Chris' hard work with > converters and transmitters to enable others to enjoy the spectacular stereo > sound of AM radio has been great. Chris, please "stay tuned" so you can add > your two cents worth on our groups ramblings, and thanks again for all of your > time, effort, energy, (and money) expended. > None of your work was in vain, for if even one C-Quam station stays on the air, > and we have our Alfredo Lite transmitters whirling along, AM Stereo will live > on and on and on. > Thank you! From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Jul 12 02:45:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Jul 2002 09:45:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 54458 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2002 09:45:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2002 09:45:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.26) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2002 09:45:19 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 02:45:20 -0700 Received: from 209.240.222.130 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:45:19 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Corporation- Ruled Radio Losing..... Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:45:19 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2002 09:45:20.0002 (UTC) FILETIME=[D5DB8620:01C22988] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.222.130] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 JSG asked: >Is there an online version of this article? >JSG I've asked the same question and am still searching, will let you know if I found out. donn st petersburg _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From mwradio@gmx.net Fri Jul 12 07:15:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mwradio@gmx.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Jul 2002 14:15:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 38952 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2002 14:15:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2002 14:15:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.dnbsi.com) (207.229.108.169) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2002 14:15:28 -0000 Received: from espositojm2 (0-1pool158-189.nas1.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net [65.128.158.189]) by smtp.dnbsi.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 97CEDCF42 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 07:15:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00d601c229ae$8dfe5960$06630780@espositojm2> To: References: <000501c22852$ad2afc60$0101a8c0@pavilion> Subject: Re: {AMSF} food for thought Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:15:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Joe Esposito" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=93604673 X-Yahoo-Profile: espositojm Thanks for the "Alfredo Lite". I am very impressed with your projects. I don't know where you could ever find the time to do what you did, but you work was/is appreciated. I don't think another person could do what you have done. I am an EE and haven't turned on my oscilloscope in months. Of course having an extremely active 2 year old daughter will do that...... Thanks, Joe Esposito ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Cuff" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 4:45 PM Subject: {AMSF} food for thought > I am taking this opportunity to announce my retirement from the radio biz. > Many things have influenced this descision, and I am not about to go into > them now. > I wish everyone the best, and sincerely hope that "someone" will carry on in > this endeavor. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Fri Jul 12 07:48:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Jul 2002 14:48:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 35120 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2002 14:48:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2002 14:48:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2002 14:48:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2002 14:48:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:48:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: food for thought Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002301c22863$819b30e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1200 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.29 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Christopher Cuff" wrote: > Well, I am not leaving the list- I have not lost interest in the goings on, > good or bad. > With my current situation, and for the forseeable future, I found that there > was simply no time to get a lot of things done that are more important than > radio at this time. I laso need some "Me" time... :-) > One of the curious things about the "e-mail" age we are in, is that people > expect an instant answer. It was getting to the point where I was 3 to 4 > weeks behind in email, and some people were emailing twice a day if I didn't > answer right away. > Radio will always be a hobby for me, but that's it. > cc I also want to thank you for your contributions AMS. Designing and biulding adapters, radios and transmitters is a costly and time consuming process and needs to profitable in the long run. I'm glad you have held out as long as you have and is something I would like to get into but looking into the time and cost issues can be discouraging. I hope AM radio gets over its romance with IBOC soon and then maybe analog AMS will have a chance and make it worthwhile for those who want enter into such ventures. JSG From jsgil@hal-pc.org Fri Jul 12 07:56:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Jul 2002 14:56:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 95393 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2002 14:56:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2002 14:56:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2002 14:56:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2002 14:56:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:56:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Motorola Exciter Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 442 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.29 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst Someone tried to post this question to the list and made it to my private e-mail instead and pounced when I replied to it. > Does anyone know what the power out of the motorala AM > stereo execiter is > > Thanks From what info I have on the Motorola exciter the RF is 5 Watts into 50 Ohms. I don't know if this for the composite out or just the amplitude limited phase modulation that replaces the crystal input to the transmitter. JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jul 12 09:15:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Jul 2002 16:15:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 51233 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2002 16:15:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2002 16:15:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2002 16:15:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2002 16:15:24 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:15:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Sony SRF-A1 on eBay Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 152 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Sony SRF-A1 multi-system AM Stereo Walkman. Mint condition, starting bid US$20.00.... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1366153180 From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Jul 12 09:47:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Jul 2002 16:47:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 48758 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2002 16:47:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2002 16:47:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2002 16:47:46 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn28.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.32]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:47:45 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Sony SRF-A1 on eBay Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:47:43 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well I tried to bid on it. I'm high bidder at $35...but that still doesn't meet the reserve. This guy must KNOW what he's got and is expecting to get $150 for it or something. I can't do more than $35. So whomever else wants to, go ahead and bid. Rats! MJR -----Original Message----- From: kevtronics [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 10:15 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Sony SRF-A1 on eBay Sony SRF-A1 multi-system AM Stereo Walkman. Mint condition, starting bid US$20.00.... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1366153180 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Jul 12 10:08:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Jul 2002 17:08:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 14697 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2002 17:08:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2002 17:08:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14204.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.146) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2002 17:08:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20020712170853.97219.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:08:53 PDT Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: It's Not Off-Topic if it's STEREO To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio All of the (interesting) recent discussion regarding stereo recordings is not off-topic by any means, as half the name of our group is (AM) STEREO! We care about stereo quality and stereo separation, which is why we love the sound of C-Quam AM Stereo! That's why AM Stereo exciters should be turned-on! Very intersting comments. I read that the recordings with the best stereo separation around 1970 were the Reel-to-Reel tape recordings version of the LP's of the time. Can anyone add to that comment? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From narkspud@hotmail.com Fri Jul 12 11:39:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Jul 2002 18:39:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 94221 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2002 18:39:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2002 18:39:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2002 18:39:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2002 18:39:21 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 18:39:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: It's Not Off-Topic if it's STEREO Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020712170853.97219.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1353 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud > I read that the recordings with the best stereo separation around 1970 were the > Reel-to-Reel tape recordings version of the LP's of the time. Can anyone add > to that comment? Sure. :-) Mass-produced reel-to-reel was essentially the same technology as cassette--high speed dupes made from a bin master. They ran at a faster speed than cassette, had twice the tape width, and weren't trapped in a cheap molded plastic casing. All these factors made them dramatically superior to cassettes OF THE SAME PERIOD. But they were still high speed dupes, with the same inherent hiss, imaging and distortion problems. Your results will depend on the condition, quality and speed of the tape. Assuming it's been properly stored, and they used professional-grade tape at 7 1/2 ips, it should sound pretty darn good. If they used the cheap stuff and/or ran at 3 3/4 ips (as so many did) then you probably won't get anything much better than a cassette of a few years later. (And cassettes of the 70s SUCKED.) Be warned that the R to R manufacturers usually skimped on leader tape, so it's VERY common to find that the first several seconds of track 1 are damaged or missing! And if the LP is fake stereo, I guarantee the R to R will be too. But when it comes to separation, they rock. And no scratches. Your call. narkspud From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Jul 12 13:22:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Jul 2002 20:22:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 12556 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2002 20:22:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2002 20:22:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2002 20:22:26 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.74]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:21:11 -0400 Message-ID: <002501c229e1$df61bc60$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: It's Not Off-Topic if it's STEREO Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:22:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Ahh... reel to reel..... I do have a few favorites in my collection- One in particular (for actual quality of recording and stereo separation) Is "The Ray Coniff Singers".... As kids, we listened , without choice, during dinner every evening to this type of music- played on my folks Webcor "Magic Mind" stereo... so named because the record changer would automatically switch between 45 and 33 RPM records (using a "spider" in the 45's, of course) Anyway, when I found a factory made recording on R toR at a flea market, and played it I was blown away! In 1972 I remember going over to the neighbors and listening to R to R tapes on a "genuine brought back from Viet Nam" Teac machine- Rick Wakeman was a favorite.. All the popular rock stuff could be had on reels- it WAS great. CC From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Jul 12 18:03:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Jul 2002 01:03:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 51832 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2002 01:03:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2002 01:03:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.209) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2002 01:03:05 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 18:03:05 -0700 Received: from 209.240.222.130 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 01:03:05 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@bellsouth.net Bcc: Subject: Thank You Chris Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 01:03:05 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2002 01:03:05.0632 (UTC) FILETIME=[0B87DA00:01C22A09] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.222.130] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 I can only add my voice and vote of thanks to you, Chris, for all you've done for the cause of am-stereo. You've helped technical people, non technical people such as myself, You've visited stations in the U.S. and Canada; in short you've done it all; you've promoted am-stereo at the consumer level and at the radio station level; if only we could have cloned you! :) btw- glad you are going to hang around and post and not totally disappear! Thanks again. donn st petersburg _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From bryancain57@yahoo.com Fri Jul 12 18:53:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: bryancain57@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Jul 2002 01:53:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 84104 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2002 01:53:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2002 01:53:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2002 01:53:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2002 01:53:36 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 01:53:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Corporation- Ruled Radio Losing..... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 597 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bryancain57" X-Originating-IP: 63.188.16.152 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=111365738 X-Yahoo-Profile: bryancain57 --- In amstereoforum@y..., "jsgilst" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@y..., "bryancain57" wrote: > > This was the subject of an (AP) article in Monday's C-Town bird cage > > liner.It mentions that Arbitron has lowered the listening time > > averages of American listeners, from 23 hours per week in '93 to > > 20.5. It blames ClearChannel in a substantially long column.I have 9 > > of their stations in my region , and 4 Infinity drones! > > Is there an online version of this article? > > JSG --- Not Sure. Try the Cleveland Plain Dealer archives. ---bryan From bryancain57@yahoo.com Fri Jul 12 19:18:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: bryancain57@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Jul 2002 02:18:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 82374 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2002 02:18:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2002 02:18:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2002 02:18:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2002 02:18:18 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 02:18:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: ClearChannel Spy Report Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 202 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bryancain57" X-Originating-IP: 63.188.16.152 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=111365738 X-Yahoo-Profile: bryancain57 I was nosing at the ClearChannel site and found this website: www.thevoicedepot.com. It's a slow load without macromedia flash.I'm curious myself as to who's behind these media-dominating upstarts! From narkspud@hotmail.com Fri Jul 12 21:23:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Jul 2002 04:23:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 32990 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2002 04:23:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2002 04:23:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2002 04:23:27 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 21:23:27 -0700 Received: from 67.219.108.151 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 04:23:27 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Late Posts Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 21:23:27 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2002 04:23:27.0537 (UTC) FILETIME=[0924FA10:01C22A25] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.219.108.151] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud Is anybody besides me receiving the group messages in their email two days after they're posted? This is tickin' me off! narkspud (ticked off) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jul 12 22:17:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Jul 2002 05:17:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 85523 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2002 05:17:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2002 05:17:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2002 05:17:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2002 05:17:11 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 05:17:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Late Posts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 747 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.133 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Is anybody besides me receiving the group messages in their email > two days after they're posted? This is tickin' me off! If you use the web interface, things are pretty much instantaneous. For all the people here who have a Yahoo account, I recommend using the web interface for the AM Stereo Forum. E-mail is subject to delays, and mailing lists can flood your inbox with messages unless you choose the "daily digest" option. Using the web interface avoids both of these problems and also allows instant access to all the previous messages that have been posted, with a Search function. The AM Stereo Forum web interface: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum ...or go to http://www.amstereoradio.com and click on "Forum". From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Jul 13 00:26:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Jul 2002 07:26:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 55663 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2002 07:26:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2002 07:26:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2002 07:26:56 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.25]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 03:25:45 -0400 Message-ID: <001e01c22a3e$b4f3a300$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Late Posts Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 03:27:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I do not think it is only Yahoo- I am getting posts to my amstereoguy@hotmail.com address sometimes 3 DAYS after I send them, while they get here to in4web immediately. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics To: Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 1:17 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Late Posts From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Sat Jul 13 03:30:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Jul 2002 10:30:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 28772 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2002 10:30:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2002 10:30:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.32.181.19) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2002 10:30:22 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 03:30:22 -0700 Received: from 208.228.96.20 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 10:30:22 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} food for thought Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 06:30:22 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2002 10:30:22.0630 (UTC) FILETIME=[4B299460:01C22A58] From: "Chris Cuff" X-Originating-IP: [208.228.96.20] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059 Thanks to all the truly great personal and public emails from you all. I am continuing the Alfredo Lites, and the decoders. What I will NOT have time for is custom work- ie: converting existing radios, questions about conversions and such. If I can concentrate on just those 2 items, the most asked for items, without having to answer specific questions, I can carry on. Now, all should remeber that Kevin T has set up a great file area- all of you that have experience in decoder interface could go and put helpful info there, so people that want decoders will be able to get help installing them and using them. At this time, I am having 50 more "lite" boards plated. I will be able to ship some more completed units in 6 weeks or so. One of the biggest reasons I have decided to continue the Alfredo Lites is that as most of you know, I do these on a non-profit basis. Someone decided to "pirate" my work (and part of Alfredo's original design work as well) In the spirit of keeping the word out, if I continue to build these at my current price, I will not make money, but I will remain true to my promise of NOT being in this for profit. Chris _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From jeffdeck@aol.com Sat Jul 13 06:55:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Jul 2002 13:55:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 40078 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2002 13:55:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2002 13:55:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2002 13:55:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2002 13:55:21 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 13:55:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Converting TEAC T-H500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1306 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jeffdeck2001" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.197.154 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4430287 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Matt, I own Teac T-H500 tuner, and easily converted it to AM stereo with wide bandwidth ceramic filter. Congratulations on your purchase. Chris, thanks for referring people to me! BTW, if anyone has AM stereo questions for me, please put AM stereo in the subject line, so that I do not accidentally delete your mail. I receive a fair share of off-list junk mail! 73, Jeff In a message dated 7/7/2002 11:09:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Matt writes: >I remember seeing a TEAC T-H500 tuner converted to AM Stereo in the >photos section. I was wondering who did that? I bought a TEAC >Reference 500 system complete with Amp, CD, Tape, MD, Tuner and >matching TEAC speakers for $500 CDN tax included (15% in Ontario!). >The old guy at a pawn shop who sold it to me "has never heard of it" >and obviously didn't realize that a complete 500 system can go for >$1200 with the MD and Tape included. The front panels are gold- >finished aluminum and the speaker boxes are piano-finish black and >the speaker cones are gold. Absolutly beautiful units and quite a >decent tuner I might add. The AM Section seems to be of good quality >but is of course strickly low-bandwidth mono. I'd like to convert >this and sell of my old Sony equipment including the ST-JX220A tuner. > >Thanks, >MattH From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Jul 13 07:00:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Jul 2002 14:00:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 74917 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2002 14:00:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2002 14:00:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2002 14:00:22 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-164.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.164]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g6DDvRIh009090 for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 08:57:28 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002101c22a76$4c345200$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} food for thought Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 09:05:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude The guy selling those copies is Jon Kenneke, and he was part of the old IAAAS list. Haven't contacted him about it. Thanks for continuing to make the transmitters and decoders. Would you happen to have any advice on how anyone here might get a hold of various radio schematics now that you're out of the custom conversion business? I know I'd like to do some conversion work, and maybe some other people here might as well. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Cuff" > Someone decided to "pirate" my work (and > part of Alfredo's original design work as well) > In the spirit of keeping the word out, if I continue to build these at my > current price, I will not make money, but I will remain true to my promise > of NOT being in this for profit. > Chris From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Jul 13 07:04:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Jul 2002 14:04:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 42676 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2002 14:04:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2002 14:04:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2002 14:04:03 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-164.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.164]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g6DE17Ih009713 for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 09:01:09 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002d01c22a76$cf742c80$d3a9fea9@me> To: Subject: Fw: NPR apologizes to TVC Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 09:08:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude For all you NPR junkies. They're not as fair and balanced as you might think. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" To: Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 8:20 AM Subject: Fw: NPR apologizes to TVC > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "WILW Radio" > http://channels.netscape.com/ns/news/ns/story.jsp?floc=FF-PLS-PLS&id=4038792 > 52&dt=20020711005200&w=RTR&coview= > > > > William C. Walker > > WILW Radio and KWAQ AM Radio > > http://www.wilw.com From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Jul 13 07:08:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Jul 2002 14:08:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 52930 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2002 14:08:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2002 14:08:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2002 14:08:04 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-164.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.164]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g6DE59Ih010155 for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 09:05:10 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003301c22a77$5f6f4e00$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020711174556.72242.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Link 3 of 3: AMS in the News Again - July 2002 Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 09:12:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Finally got the time to look at that link. Whatta case you made. Way to go. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnny Electron" To: Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 12:45 PM Subject: {AMSF} Link 3 of 3: AMS in the News Again - July 2002 > Let's keep beating the drum for AMS: > > http://beradio.com/ar/radio_readers_speak/ > > Sorry for 3 messages, but I wasn't able to cut and past them in one message. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Sat Jul 13 07:14:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Jul 2002 14:14:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 84352 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2002 14:14:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2002 14:14:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.32.181.145) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2002 14:14:33 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 07:14:33 -0700 Received: from 208.228.96.20 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 14:14:33 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} food for thought Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 10:14:33 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2002 14:14:33.0553 (UTC) FILETIME=[9C898C10:01C22A77] From: "Chris Cuff" X-Originating-IP: [208.228.96.20] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059 Yes, I will post my schematics in the "files" section of this group. I will do it with my camera, as I do not have a scanner. I will put up the am stereo/fm stereo radio schematic, which I have the PC boards made for. I cannot supply any parts for these, except the board and the TA8124 decoder IC. everything else is available thru digikey, etc. The entire front end (antenna, tuner, IC, coils, etc come all from the $5.00 Wal Mart radio.) CC > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sat Jul 13 08:21:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Jul 2002 15:21:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 46471 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2002 15:21:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2002 15:21:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.118) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2002 15:21:25 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 08:21:25 -0700 Received: from 209.240.222.130 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 15:21:24 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: tenkc@fmtc.com, amstereo@bellsouth.net Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Link 1 of 3: Possible AMS Ally? Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 15:21:24 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2002 15:21:25.0671 (UTC) FILETIME=[F3F22B70:01C22A80] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.222.130] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Thanks Narkspud and Johhny E, This is the most uplifting news I've read in a while. donn st petersburg --- In amstereoforum@y..., Johnny Electron wrote: > http://www.acmusicresearch.com/page837302.htm >Fired off an email to him, and got a speedy and very friendly reply. >His name's Eric Norberg, he runs a music research outfit specifically targeted to the Adult >Contemporary format, and he's definitely an AM Stereo ally, suggesting >"exciters on" to all his radio station clients, and owning a number of AM Stereo radios himself. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sat Jul 13 11:55:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Jul 2002 18:55:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 16384 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2002 18:55:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2002 18:55:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2002 18:55:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2002 18:55:41 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 18:55:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} food for thought Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 851 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.251 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Chris Cuff" wrote: > Yes, I will post my schematics in the "files" section of this group. I will > do it with my camera, as I do not have a scanner. > I will put up the am stereo/fm stereo radio schematic, which I have the PC > boards made for. I cannot supply any parts for these, except the board and > the TA8124 decoder IC. everything else is available thru digikey, etc. The > entire front end (antenna, tuner, IC, coils, etc come all from the $5.00 Wal > Mart radio.) > CC > You had mentioned a while back that you had an ~18 page datasheet on the MC13024 chip. Is there any chance that you will be able to get that posted eventually, maybe xerox it and send it to somebody that has a scanner. I am still interested in drawing up a board for a small portable AMS radio using this chip. JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jul 13 14:46:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Jul 2002 21:46:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 51349 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2002 21:46:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2002 21:46:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2002 21:46:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2002 21:46:51 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 21:46:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: MC13024 data sheet Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 268 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.81.134 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > You had mentioned a while back that you had an ~18 page datasheet > on the MC13024 chip. I have the MC13028 data sheet in PDF (Adobe Acrobat) format. When I have a chance I will upload it to the Files section of the AM Stereo Forum (if it's not there already). From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Jul 13 15:22:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Jul 2002 22:22:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 71307 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2002 22:22:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2002 22:22:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2002 22:22:31 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.28]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 18:15:16 -0400 Message-ID: <000901c22aba$f69d9000$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: MC13024 data sheet Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 18:16:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 The cool thing I have that needs to be put on the site is the 18 page "users manual" I have for the MC13024- I can photocopy it and send it to whoever has a scanner and can upload it. This guide is very detailed, and almost goes overboard in it's descriptions. At times, the math is mind boggling, but I skip over that... CC ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics To: Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 5:46 PM From amfmdx@fastq.com Sat Jul 13 17:00:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Jul 2002 00:00:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 61643 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2002 00:00:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2002 00:00:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2002 00:00:04 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d89-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.121]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g6E003n28518 for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 17:00:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <011701c22ac9$56e77e40$c4f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <000901c22aba$f69d9000$0101a8c0@pavilion> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: MC13024 data sheet Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 16:59:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > The cool thing I have that needs to be put on the site is the 18 page "users > manual" I have for the MC13024- I can photocopy it and send it to whoever > has a scanner and can upload it. If Kevin doesn't have a scanner, I can scan it. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jul 13 17:35:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Jul 2002 00:35:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 84895 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2002 00:35:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2002 00:35:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2002 00:35:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2002 00:35:27 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 00:35:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: MC13024 data sheet Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <011701c22ac9$56e77e40$c4f9bed8@kredding430cdt> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 239 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.81.134 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics The Motorola MC13024 data sheet was already uploaded to the Files section of the AM Stereo Forum a while back. If you are logged into Yahoo, here is the direct link to it: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/MC13024.pdf From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Jul 13 17:49:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Jul 2002 00:49:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 37051 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2002 00:49:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2002 00:49:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2002 00:49:22 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 6.154.10cbbb6a (16785) for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 20:49:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <154.10cbbb6a.2a62248b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 20:49:15 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Late Posts To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 7/13/02 3:27:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ccuff@in4web.com writes: << I do not think it is only Yahoo- I am getting posts to my amstereoguy@hotmail.com address sometimes 3 DAYS after I send them, while they get here to in4web immediately. CC >> I have to concur....Some post are received late....and some post are not received at all. I do not have this problem with topica or any other email list service. Lets face it..Yahoo is a joke! 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Hopefully this is just a temporary issue, for transmitter maintenance or the like. I have not checked yet during their weekend music programs -- if they are going to be in AM Stereo any time, it will be then, because when Sid Mark's music shows were on the now-defunct 96.5 WWDB-FM, that was the only time WWDB broadcast in Stereo -- during talk programming, they transmitted in glorious FM Mono. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sat Jul 13 22:26:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Jul 2002 05:26:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 53616 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2002 05:26:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2002 05:26:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2002 05:26:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2002 05:26:11 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 05:26:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: MC13024 data sheet Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 835 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.116 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > The Motorola MC13024 data sheet was already uploaded to the Files > section of the AM Stereo Forum a while back. If you are logged into > Yahoo, here is the direct link to it: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/MC13024.pdf Yea I grabbed that one when it was first posted. It was the advance information version with limited information. There were some areas left unanswered that I needed to design a good radio. Considering the drawbacks like low S/N and touchy pilot tone I still think a good low cost radio can be produced with this chip. I do have a scanner but have issues in getting it connected and working with my computer. If this changes any time soon I will let y'all know so I can scan it if somebody hasn't done it already. JSG From matt_haw2000@yahoo.com Sat Jul 13 23:25:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_haw2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Jul 2002 06:25:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 39569 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2002 06:25:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2002 06:25:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2002 06:25:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2002 06:25:35 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 06:25:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Converting TEAC T-H500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1563 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_haw2000" X-Originating-IP: 172.136.138.108 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60029720 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_haw2000 How would I go about converting it? And getting the required parts? I'd also like the stereo light to come on as well. Thanks, Matt H --- In amstereoforum@y..., "jeffdeck2001" wrote: > Matt, > I own Teac T-H500 tuner, and easily converted it to AM stereo > with wide bandwidth ceramic filter. Congratulations on your > purchase. Chris, thanks for referring people to me! BTW, if anyone > has AM stereo questions for me, please put AM stereo in the subject > line, so that I do not accidentally delete your mail. I receive a > fair share of off-list junk mail! 73, Jeff > > In a message dated 7/7/2002 11:09:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Matt > writes: > >I remember seeing a TEAC T-H500 tuner converted to AM Stereo in the > >photos section. I was wondering who did that? I bought a TEAC > >Reference 500 system complete with Amp, CD, Tape, MD, Tuner and > >matching TEAC speakers for $500 CDN tax included (15% in Ontario!). > >The old guy at a pawn shop who sold it to me "has never heard of it" > >and obviously didn't realize that a complete 500 system can go for > >$1200 with the MD and Tape included. The front panels are gold- > >finished aluminum and the speaker boxes are piano-finish black and > >the speaker cones are gold. Absolutly beautiful units and quite a > >decent tuner I might add. The AM Section seems to be of good > quality > >but is of course strickly low-bandwidth mono. I'd like to convert > >this and sell of my old Sony equipment including the ST-JX220A tuner. > > > >Thanks, > >MattH From groucho@skyweb.net Sat Jul 13 23:41:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Jul 2002 06:41:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 22043 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2002 06:41:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2002 06:41:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2002 06:41:46 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6E6km3J063176 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 02:46:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D311C48.772EE468@skyweb.net> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 02:38:00 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1210 WPHT References: From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kevin I can find out.... I was down at WPHT last week to visit a Close friend.. Hes the Chief Engineer for WPHT... kevtronics wrote: > Has anyone else noticed that 1210 WPHT in Philadelphia is no longer > transmitting a Stereo signal? Hopefully this is just a temporary > issue, for transmitter maintenance or the like. I have not checked > yet during their weekend music programs -- if they are going to be in > AM Stereo any time, it will be then, because when Sid Mark's music > shows were on the now-defunct 96.5 WWDB-FM, that was the only time > WWDB broadcast in Stereo -- during talk programming, they transmitted > in glorious FM Mono. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor [Image] Click here to find your contact lenses! > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mark_608@hotmail.com Sun Jul 14 00:37:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Jul 2002 07:37:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 1082 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2002 07:37:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2002 07:37:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.19) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2002 07:37:40 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 00:37:40 -0700 Received: from 68.43.173.249 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 07:37:40 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Marantz SR940 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 03:37:40 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2002 07:37:40.0841 (UTC) FILETIME=[5577CD90:01C22B09] From: "Mark Sundquist" X-Originating-IP: [68.43.173.249] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3850332 X-Yahoo-Profile: mark_608 Maybe someone can help me...I recently acquired a Marantz SR940 receiver that is AM stereo capable. Upon playing with it, it seems to have reasonable enough bandwidth, but I can't get it to stay in stereo. I don't live far from Detroit and WJR will flutter in and out of stereo while CFCO won't pop in at all. I have a pretty crude antenna, but WJR comes in strong and the signal meter has all 5 bars lit. Of course I had to take the top off an peek inside..there is an AM stereo decoder board that is stuck to the main tuner board and the main chip is the old MC13020...can someone tell me where to look to find where I need to adjust to make this thing more sensitive to stereo signals or force stereo? Does anyone else have an SR940 and have they had any luck with it? Maybe the answer will be to add one of Mr. Chris Cuff's decoder boards to this thing instead... Thanks for any info anyone can provide, Mark Sundquist Sterling Heights,MI _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From mychucky@funport.net Sun Jul 14 09:00:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mychucky@funport.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Jul 2002 16:00:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 50640 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2002 16:00:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2002 16:00:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.funport.com) (216.199.19.6) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2002 16:00:58 -0000 Received: from FatMusic2000 ([]) by mail.funport.com (Merak 5.0.1) with SMTP id JFB36580 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:57:33 -0400 Message-ID: <017e01c22b4f$de993af0$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Late Posts Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 12:02:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85836819 X-Yahoo-Profile: mychucky1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have received posts from Yahoo as much as 2 months old ----- Original Message ----- From: . Narkspud To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 12:23 AM Subject: {AMSF} Late Posts Is anybody besides me receiving the group messages in their email two days after they're posted? This is tickin' me off! narkspud (ticked off) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Click here to find your contact lenses! Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sun Jul 14 11:29:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Jul 2002 18:29:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 49816 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2002 18:29:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2002 18:29:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2002 18:29:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2002 18:29:45 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 18:29:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Marantz SR940 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2958 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.130.10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Mark Sundquist" wrote: > Maybe someone can help me...I recently acquired a Marantz SR940 receiver > that is AM stereo capable. Upon playing with it, it seems to have > reasonable enough bandwidth, but I can't get it to stay in stereo. I don't > live far from Detroit and WJR will flutter in and out of stereo while CFCO > won't pop in at all. I have a pretty crude antenna, but WJR comes in strong > and the signal meter has all 5 bars lit. Of course I had to take the top off > an peek inside..there is an AM stereo decoder board that is stuck to the > main tuner board and the main chip is the old MC13020...can someone tell me > where to look to find where I need to adjust to make this thing more > sensitive to stereo signals or force stereo? Does anyone else have an SR940 > and have they had any luck with it? Maybe the answer will be to add one of > Mr. Chris Cuff's decoder boards to this thing instead... > > Thanks for any info anyone can provide, > > Mark Sundquist > Sterling Heights,MI > > Someone else in this forum was having the same problem with a Marantz receiver and had suggested this fix. I don't now if he ever got it to work though but it has worked for me in other radios using this chip. From my experience with this chip the standard components specified by Motorola for the pilot tone bandpass filter doesn't offer enough gain. In the MC13020 datasheet it says that you can have a max Q of 10 and a max gain of 25. I think with the components Motorola specifies sets these values at Q=8.4 and Gain=19 and if the tolerance of your components are off by a fair amount this will put the bandpass freq far enough away from 25Hz as to cause the filter to not provide enough gain at 25Hz. The datasheet has formulas for calculating the values and they specify 1% components for the resistor between pins 13 & 14 and the one that connects to both capacitors and to ground or Vcc. I used a 360K 1%, 1.2K 1%, 7.5K & 2 .33uf tantalun caps. This set the Q at 9.33 and gain at 24. I also had a capacitance meter at the time and selected the caps to be as close to .33uf also. After I did this I had no problem getting the chip to go into stereo. One other cause of no stereo is the PLL center frequency is off too much for it to lock to the IF freq. This can happen if an LC VCO is used and the inductor can be readjusted to obtain 4V at pin 19 on a strong signal using a digital meter. In most cases a ceramic resonator is used that requires no adjustment. It looks like a light blue capacitor associated with pin 18 with the number 3.6 within the part number. In this image on my website has a section on Optional pilot tone components. http://www.hal-pc.org/~jsgil/AM-Stereo/AMAX-Conv.gif And in this image I have info on how to calculate the component values for the Multiple Feedback Bandpass Filter. http://www.hal-pc.org/~jsgil/AM-Stereo/AudioFilters.gif JSG From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Jul 14 11:50:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Jul 2002 18:50:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 11920 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2002 18:50:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2002 18:50:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2002 18:50:40 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:50:40 -0700 Received: from 209.240.222.130 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 18:50:39 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Marantz SR940 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 18:50:39 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2002 18:50:40.0265 (UTC) FILETIME=[597AEF90:01C22B67] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.222.130] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 From a little tweaking on a prior post, I have the url for JSG's home page; looks like a JSG put a lot of time and effort into it and for those that a technically inclined, it looks like a fountainhead of info. http://www.hal-pc.org/~jsgil/AM-Stereo/ Thanks JSG donn a non tech in, steamy st petersburg, fl _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Jul 14 13:29:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Jul 2002 20:29:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 1188 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2002 20:29:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2002 20:29:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14204.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.146) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2002 20:29:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20020714202919.31616.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.190] by web14204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 13:29:19 PDT Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 13:29:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: NO AMS on WPHT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I didn't get a pilot late Saturday night / Sunday morning on WPHT 1210. I'm going to email them, but can the rest of you check it out tonight, and call or email them if it doesn't return? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From groucho@skyweb.net Sun Jul 14 14:12:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Jul 2002 21:12:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 37164 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2002 21:12:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2002 21:12:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2002 21:12:50 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6ELHl3J031664 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 17:17:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D31E86A.F16D4454@skyweb.net> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 17:08:58 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} NO AMS on WPHT References: <20020714202919.31616.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dont go Nuts over this... the Engineer for WPHT is a personal friend of mine I will make the inquiry personally and Let you all know whats going on.... give me a day or 2... I left a Message on his voice mail...... Neal Newman Chief Engineer WTTM 1680 am stereo Princeton,New Jersey Johnny Electron wrote: > I didn't get a pilot late Saturday night / Sunday morning on WPHT > 1210. I'm > going to email them, but can the rest of you check it out tonight, and > call or > email them if it doesn't return? > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > http://autos.yahoo.com > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor [Image] Click here to find your contact lenses! > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Jul 14 14:17:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Jul 2002 21:17:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 47946 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2002 21:17:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2002 21:17:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2002 21:17:49 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.78]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 17:16:43 -0400 Message-ID: <003401c22b7b$f00c39a0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <20020714202919.31616.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> <3D31E86A.F16D4454@skyweb.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} NO AMS on WPHT Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 17:18:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I also doubt it is anything serious- The engineer is having me do a car radio for him as well... although I have not heard anything from him in about 3 weeks. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Neal Newman To: Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 5:08 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} NO AMS on WPHT > Dont go Nuts over this... the Engineer for WPHT is a personal friend of > mine > I will make the inquiry personally and Let you all know whats going > on.... From groucho@skyweb.net Sun Jul 14 14:20:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Jul 2002 21:20:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 30561 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2002 21:20:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2002 21:20:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2002 21:20:26 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6ELPS3J032322 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 17:25:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D31EA39.D6D716F2@skyweb.net> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 17:16:42 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} NO AMS on WPHT References: <20020714202919.31616.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> <3D31E86A.F16D4454@skyweb.net> <003401c22b7b$f00c39a0$0101a8c0@pavilion> From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris That's because He has been On vacation.... I found out after taking a drive down to WPHT last week... and he was not there... I wonder If maybe they are running on the Backup transmitter... and it does Not have an AMS exciter.... Neal Christopher Cuff wrote: > I also doubt it is anything serious- The engineer is having me do a > car > radio for him as well... although I have not heard anything from him > in > about 3 weeks. > CC > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Neal Newman > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 5:08 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} NO AMS on WPHT > > > > Dont go Nuts over this... the Engineer for WPHT is a personal friend > of > > mine > > I will make the inquiry personally and Let you all know whats going > > > on.... > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor [Image] Click here to find your contact lenses! > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Jul 14 17:13:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Jul 2002 00:13:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 29488 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2002 00:13:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2002 00:13:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2002 00:13:15 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-165.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.165]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g6F0AIIh001920 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:10:19 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002101c22b95$173a1880$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1210 WPHT Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:18:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Kevin- please say something to them. That way they know folks are noticing and will likely fix it if it gets broken. Apathy will only discourage their continuation of it. Remember what Jeff Welton said about talking to a station CE who said nobody noticed when their stereo was off. I don't pick them up here regularly, so something like that could go unnoticed by me for a long time. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevtronics" > Has anyone else noticed that 1210 WPHT in Philadelphia is no longer > transmitting a Stereo signal? Hopefully this is just a temporary > issue, for transmitter maintenance or the like. From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Jul 14 17:21:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Jul 2002 00:21:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 35056 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2002 00:21:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2002 00:21:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2002 00:21:04 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-165.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.165]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g6F0I6Ih002788 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:18:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004c01c22b96$2e1f7ee0$d3a9fea9@me> To: Subject: Fw: thank you Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:25:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Decided to email Mr. Norberg myself, and got this nice reply. I also find it unbelievable that AM is so undervalued these days. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Adult Contemporary Music Research Letter [ ACmusicResearch.com ] To: Scott Todd Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 10:58 AM Subject: Re: thank you You're welcome. I got my start in FM but feel the greatest potential is with AM these days, but nobody in AM seems to see it. I did a bit on that in my book. The book is selling quite well, but nobody seems to be taking the suggestion! Eric Norberg ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: acmrl@myexcel.com Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 6:55 PM Subject: thank you A big thank you for your support of AM stereo. I wish more stations would keep it on too. I'm amazed that AM station owners haven't been howling loud and long to the FCC for better receiver standards. The UHF TV broadcasters did in the 60s and 70s, and as a result they are a thriving industry. The AM-ers apathy is mind boggling. They're just going to let whatever happens happen. Scott Todd co-petitioner for mandated improved receiver standards (RW, Aug. 2000) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From narkspud@hotmail.com Mon Jul 15 00:05:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Jul 2002 07:05:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 85900 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2002 07:05:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2002 07:05:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2002 07:05:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2002 07:05:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 07:05:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: World's Smallest Clear Channel Owned Station Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1774 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.224.23.180 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud Stumbled over a talking billboard while driving from LA to Orange County on the South 5 freeway. The frequency, 1620. The range, about a mile or two. The location, City of Commerce, just south of East LA. The subject matter--Cadillacs. They had Peter Paul & Mary soundalikes singing a silly song about Esplanades, with two comedians (and I use the term in the Madison Avenue sense) providing introductions and assorted other promotional descriptions. And yes, the billboard belongs to Clear Channel. They called themselves "Cadillac Radio," noting that it was AM because "FM Causes High Cholesterol," and that it "isn't a real radio station and we aren't real announcers." They promised weekly updates to the material, which ran about 4 minutes or so. Sound quality seemed better than average for such setups, at least on my factory-installed Toyota radio, and the production values were professional, even if the material was a bit weak. I saw nothing advertising the existence of this station. I hit the scan button at just the right moment and it appeared, then I drove around listening to the signal fade in and out until I spotted the transmission antenna (yeah, I was bored). The billboard itself, which is on the left as you travel southbound and doesn't have a board facing the northbound side, currently advertises Sea World. It's near a Hertz Car Sales place. If you're northbound, the signal pops in right after you pass the Citadel Outlet Mall, which you can't miss. DXers should note that the LA/OC area is absolutely infested with 1620 TIS's, so your chances of plucking this one out would be pretty remote. Wonder if this is a new campaign of teeny transmitters that's shortly going nationwide? Stay tuned. narkspud From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jul 15 05:59:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Jul 2002 12:59:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 1725 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2002 12:59:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2002 12:59:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14203.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.145) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2002 12:59:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20020715125955.72527.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 05:59:55 PDT Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 05:59:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: It's OK to bid To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio FYI: if someone wants to outbid me on the Blaupunkt AMS car radio on eBay, I would not be offended if you want the radio more than I do. 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Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jul 15 07:42:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Jul 2002 14:42:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 64878 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2002 14:42:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2002 14:42:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2002 14:42:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2002 14:42:41 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:42:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: World's Smallest Clear Channel Owned Station Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 883 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics --- In amstereoforum@y..., "narkspud" wrote: > Stumbled over a talking billboard while driving from LA to Orange > County on the South 5 freeway. The frequency, 1620. The range, > about a mile or two. The location, City of Commerce, just south > of East LA. The subject matter--Cadillacs. "Cadillac Radio" billboards have been around for years, all around the country, mostly on 1700 or 1710 kHz. I don't really see the point to a "talking billboard", but I suppose it is an interesting novelty. Probably the car dealers got jealous of those telephone- quality "talking houses" on 1610 kHz that realtors use. And apparently people who set these things up do see a point to it because there are companies selling Part 15 100-mW AM transmitters for hundreds or thousands of dollars, just to get a pro-built unit that is certified to be FCC-compliant. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jul 15 07:47:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Jul 2002 14:47:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 46182 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2002 14:47:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2002 14:47:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2002 14:47:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2002 14:47:14 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:47:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: It's OK to bid Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020715125955.72527.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 738 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > FYI: if someone wants to outbid me on the Blaupunkt AMS car radio > on eBay, I would not be offended if you want the radio more than I > do. > "johnnyelectron" It *is* a nice radio -- I have one myself! The Blaupunkt Tucson SQR-06 was a true top-of-the-line car radio of the late '80s, with narrow/wide bandwidth AM Stereo (with 10 kHz whistle filter in Wide mode), "ARI" on FM (the predecessor to RDS, not used much in North America), Dynamic Noise Reduction (DNR), and a high quality cassette player with Dolby B and C NR. The only catch is that with all this, Blaupunkt didn't have room for a built-in speaker amplifier, so you'll have to use an external amp. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1365557899 From groucho@skyweb.net Mon Jul 15 09:15:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Jul 2002 16:15:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 35502 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2002 16:15:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2002 16:15:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2002 16:15:20 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6FGK8wk030252 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:20:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D32F428.12FDFB53@skyweb.net> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:11:20 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: It's OK to bid References: From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit does that radio go up into the expanded band 1710???? kevtronics wrote: > > FYI: if someone wants to outbid me on the Blaupunkt AMS car radio > > on eBay, I would not be offended if you want the radio more than I > > do. > > "johnnyelectron" > > It *is* a nice radio -- I have one myself! The Blaupunkt Tucson > SQR-06 was a true top-of-the-line car radio of the late '80s, with > narrow/wide bandwidth AM Stereo (with 10 kHz whistle filter in Wide > mode), "ARI" on FM (the predecessor to RDS, not used much in North > America), Dynamic Noise Reduction (DNR), and a high quality cassette > player with Dolby B and C NR. The only catch is that with all this, > Blaupunkt didn't have room for a built-in speaker amplifier, so > you'll have to use an external amp. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1365557899 > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor [Image] Click here to find your contact lenses! > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jul 15 10:09:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Jul 2002 17:09:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 81713 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2002 17:09:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2002 17:09:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14201.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.143) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2002 17:09:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20020715170902.75398.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:09:02 PDT Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:09:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Motorola C-QUAM AM Exciter To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Friend or foe buying this? Is it fixable? > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1748515129 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From KC4QLP@aol.com Mon Jul 15 10:31:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Jul 2002 17:31:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 56095 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2002 17:31:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2002 17:31:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d09.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2002 17:31:12 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 1.88.1b007e25 (3311) for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:31:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <88.1b007e25.2a6460d8@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:31:04 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} NO AMS on WPHT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 7/14/02 5:20:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, groucho@skyweb.net writes: << That's because He has been On vacation.... I found out after taking a drive down to WPHT last week... and he was not there... I wonder If maybe they are running on the Backup transmitter... and it does Not have an AMS exciter.... Neal >> Is their back-up transmitter at the same location as the main transmitter? some..if not most of these exciters will allow you operate two transmitters off of them without any problem. My Raytheon {main transmitter} and McMartin Ba 1k {standby} are wired to operate off of the same stereo exciter...and with a simple flip of a switch on each transmitter,I can easily operate with the internal exciter encase of a failure. Btw..speaking of who is and isnt in stereo right now...last night while surfing the band with my Sangean SR-66 portable...I noticed a gospel formated station on 860 that kept tripping the stereo indicator.I'm not sure who it was..I think it was WBGR in Baltimore..at a whooping 66 watts! {I think someone forgot where the day/night power switch was} ...murphys law states that anytime a DX station ID's...interference or a station fade out must occur. So if anyone knows for sure who this is or can confirm..it would be great. What ever happened to WFAN's status and their stereo operation?...sure is strange to zoom by 660khz, what I thought was a solid supporter or stereo,and not see the indicator light up and the sound pour out of the radio. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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He also know Im bidding against him.. I want the Unit for Spare parts for Mine If it does not work... If I win the bidding(whatamix)and if It works It will be re crystaled and used on the backup transmitter for WTTM.... BTW I still have Not Heard back from my friend the CE of WPHT.... will keep you all updated. Neal Newman Chief Engineer and pilot light maker.. WTTM 1680 am stereo Princeton,New Jersey America's Largest south Asian music,news,Talk Station.. Johnny Electron wrote: > Friend or foe buying this? Is it fixable? > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1748515129 > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > http://autos.yahoo.com > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor [Image] Click here to find your contact lenses! > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jul 15 10:37:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Jul 2002 17:37:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 5877 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2002 17:37:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2002 17:37:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2002 17:37:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2002 17:37:18 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:37:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: It's OK to bid Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D32F428.12FDFB53@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 970 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I replied to this before, but it didn't show up, so here it is again: > does that radio go up into the expanded band 1710???? No, sorry... the Blaupunkt is from the late '80s, before the Expanded Band was officially created, so it only tunes to 1620 kHz on AM. Coverage of the Expanded Band was officially required in U.S. radios in 1993, but there are some radios from before then that include it -- some from the '80s with digital tuning even go up to 1720 kHz, as perhaps a more optimistic guess of how much the AM band would be "expanded"! Unfortunately, finding Expanded Band tuning on a pre- 1993 car radio is very rare. Many only go up to 1610, not even covering the popular "one extra step" of 1620 kHz. I also see a lot of radios with digital tuning that include 520 kHz, even though this frequency is not part of the official AM band, either before or after its "expansion" (although license-free Part 15 transmitters can use down to 510 kHz). From groucho@skyweb.net Mon Jul 15 10:43:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Jul 2002 17:43:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 68930 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2002 17:43:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2002 17:43:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2002 17:43:15 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6FHmKwk046802 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:48:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D3308D4.84F204A7@skyweb.net> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:39:32 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} NO AMS on WPHT References: <88.1b007e25.2a6460d8@aol.com> From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know the answer to that.. I know they used to Run a Harris DX-50 for the main and a Harris DX-10 for a backup.. I don't know what Exciter he's Running... My Harris Exciter will only run 1 transmitter not 2... Neal > Is their back-up transmitter at the same location as the main > transmitter? > some..if not most of these exciters will allow you operate two > transmitters > off of them without any problem. My Raytheon {main transmitter} and > McMartin > Ba 1k {standby} are wired to operate off of the same stereo > exciter...and > with a simple flip of a switch on each transmitter,I can easily > operate with > the internal exciter encase of a failure. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Mon Jul 15 11:04:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Jul 2002 18:04:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 90002 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2002 18:04:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2002 18:04:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2002 18:04:56 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 1.138.114e0305 (3311) for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <138.114e0305.2a6468c6@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:04:54 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Motorola C-QUAM AM Exciter To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 7/15/02 1:10:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, toledohamradio@yahoo.com writes: << Friend or foe buying this? Is it fixable? > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1748515129 >> Hmm interesting that the current bidder as of 204 pm EDT ...WAAQ came up on a search as being a non-com FM station. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Jul 15 14:28:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Jul 2002 21:28:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 81557 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2002 21:28:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2002 21:28:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2002 21:28:50 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn74.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.78]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:28:49 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Marantz SR940 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:28:44 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MARK Have EXACTLY the same problem with MY Marantz SR-940. I have my alfreado lite running here at my shop and every AM STEREO radio I own pops in to stereo EXCEPT for the SR-940. It's a good unit and I love it...but I seem to have the exact same issues. Sensitivity problems. Seems like at the time (about 6 months ago) JSGilstrap posted a whole bunch of stuff for me about this and that about the decoder and what components to change out and stuff like that. Was still a little too much and too over my head and time consuming for me so now the receiver is sitting behind me on the shelf collecting dust. I figured I'll pull it out one day when I get ambitious enough. I think JS was the only one to post anything about it. Nobody else knew (or cared) anything about it. Semi-local KMER 950 in Kemmerer Wyoming won't pop into stereo on it either. So I don't know what's up with the decoder board. I thought maybe replacing the electrolytic capacitors would help....and maybe it will...haven't tried that. But alas...short answer......."Yes I'm having the same problem with mine, and No I don't know how to fix it :( " Michael n WYO -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sundquist [mailto:mark_608@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 1:38 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Marantz SR940 Maybe someone can help me...I recently acquired a Marantz SR940 receiver that is AM stereo capable. Upon playing with it, it seems to have reasonable enough bandwidth, but I can't get it to stay in stereo. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Jul 15 15:44:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Jul 2002 22:44:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 65896 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2002 22:44:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2002 22:44:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2002 22:44:14 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.38]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:42:46 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c22c51$2e6a80a0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Marantz SR940 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:44:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I also have a 940, and to be honest, have never plugged it in..Now, It would be pointless up here at home, as with WPHT gone, I have no off-air signal to work with.. . I did make a decoder board for an 840 once, and that worked very well. The 13020 is so quirky, but the amazing thing is the old TM152 never had any trouble locking in!- same for the Spark-O-Matic car radio. I DO think that a preamp transistor on the IF input is a must. (Which is why I love the MC13028 and the TA8124.) CC From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Jul 15 16:16:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Jul 2002 23:16:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 49474 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2002 23:16:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2002 23:16:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2002 23:16:48 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-158.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.158]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g6FNDnIh016469 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:13:50 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003101c22c56$603fd1c0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: It's OK to bid Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:21:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude The only one I've ever encountered was in my 91 Pathfinder. Those varactors run out of steam at the top end- the Q goes kaput. I can tune into 1030 in the parking lot of my station on 980, but 1640 gets a lot of bleedover from 1500 when I'm still several miles from KSTP. Also noticed that on my trip to Milwaukee. Got interference on 1640 from 1560 in some areas, even though I was fairly close to the WKSH transmitter. It was a fairly easy conversion, though. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevtronics" Unfortunately, finding Expanded Band tuning on a pre- > 1993 car radio is very rare. From kfornal@loa.com Mon Jul 15 16:31:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kfornal@loa.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Jul 2002 23:31:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 34682 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2002 23:31:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2002 23:31:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao03.cox.net) (68.1.17.242) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2002 23:30:59 -0000 Received: from OMNIBOOK ([68.9.127.164]) by lakemtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020715233059.XXCC1975.lakemtao03.cox.net@OMNIBOOK> for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:30:59 -0400 To: Subject: WILD 1090 Boston Stereo problem Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:30:35 -0400 Message-ID: <000401c22c57$a4040920$0401a8c0@OMNIBOOK> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Keith Fornal" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110312140 X-Yahoo-Profile: theradboy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From the Boston Radio-Info board: http://radio-info.com/boards/boston/index.cgi?read=4210 It basically states that their stereo seems to be messed up broadcasting in 2 channel mono with the pilot on. Keith Fornal Treasurer Dutch Island Lighthouse Society www.dutchislandlighthouse.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jul 15 17:03:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Jul 2002 00:03:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 44566 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2002 00:03:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2002 00:03:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2002 00:03:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2002 00:03:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:03:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Marantz SR940 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000b01c22c51$2e6a80a0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1662 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.94.138 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The 13020 is so quirky, but the amazing thing is the old TM152 > never had any trouble locking in!- same for the Spark-O-Matic car > radio. I have a Sparkomatic SR-430 (no relation to Marantz SR-numbers!) in my car and it is indeed very sensitive... I can be all the way in Pennsylvania, where little 850 WREF from Ridgefield, CT has virtually no signal... but it's still enough to pop the Sparko' into Stereo mode! Likewise, with it, I have heard 900 CHML from Ontario and 1520 WWKB from Buffalo, NY during the DAYTIME (broad daylight!) here in New Jersey! My only real complaint about it, besides its lack of Expanded Band tuning (and also a rather lousy FM tuner), is that it has no "Medium" bandwidth -- I have a choice of either either super-extra-WIDE (at least 15 kHz audio response!) and Narrow (~5 kHz response), and it would be great to have a 10 kHz AMAX filter in between. Meanwhile, don't give up hope on 1210 WPHT -- with the engineer on vacation, any number of things could have gone wrong, and as long as the station is still on the air, they won't want to interrupt his time off. I know the situation -- I'm the "computer guy" at a real estate office, and if I take even just one day off, you should see all the things that go wrong! p.s. One thing, Chris -- the volume knob on my Sparko is getting worn out, which seems to be inevitable for this model... below a certain volume setting, it gets all crackly, with the left channel momentarily or continually shorting on at full volume. If you have managed to track down a replacement volume/balance pot, or have some magic trick for cleaning it, I'd love to know! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jul 15 17:14:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Jul 2002 00:14:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 25632 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2002 00:14:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2002 00:14:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2002 00:14:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2002 00:14:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:14:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WILD 1090 Boston Stereo problem Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000401c22c57$a4040920$0401a8c0@OMNIBOOK> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1107 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.94.138 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > It basically states that their stereo seems to be messed up > broadcasting in 2 channel mono with the pilot on. When I was in Boston a while back, 1090 WILD's AM Stereo was absolutely perfect -- full separation, and amongst the best I've ever heard from a station following the 10 kHz NRSC limit. Great music variety, too -- lots of R&B and Soul without the Hip-Hop/Rap that I just don't care for. And whenever they had a caller on the line talking with the DJ, they would even present it in Stereo, with the caller in one channel and the DJ in the other, gradually merging back to center if only one of them was talking for a long time. So let's hope WILD gets their AM Stereo back in proper working order soon. 740 WJIB is another great AM Stereo station in Boston and continues to do surprisingly well for a 250-watt station playing a Beautiful Music / Easy Listening format -- I believe at last count there are less than 20 BM/EZ stations left in the USA, and WJIB is one of them. (nevermind the fact that today's "SMOOTH JAZZ" is really just a closeted form of EASY LISTENING....) From shelswartz@yahoo.com Mon Jul 15 18:55:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: shelswartz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Jul 2002 01:55:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 9952 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2002 01:55:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2002 01:55:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14901.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.225.53) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2002 01:55:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20020716015557.68503.qmail@web14901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.86.170.155] by web14901.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:55:57 PDT Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:55:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WILD 1090 Boston Stereo problem To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Shel Swartz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91652391 X-Yahoo-Profile: shelswartz Is anyone on this list from the Boston area? :) shel@wrko.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From bryancain57@yahoo.com Mon Jul 15 19:32:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: bryancain57@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Jul 2002 02:32:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 12029 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2002 02:32:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2002 02:32:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2002 02:32:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2002 02:32:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 02:32:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: Clear Channel Billboards Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 247 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bryancain57" X-Originating-IP: 63.188.16.149 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=111365738 X-Yahoo-Profile: bryancain57 I was in an International Dumptruck with radio off, but I passed a billboard in innercity Cleveland that apparently was owned by Clear Channel and included a 6 or 7 digit ID number along the bottom of the sign next to the words "Clear Channel" From bryancain57@yahoo.com Mon Jul 15 19:35:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: bryancain57@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Jul 2002 02:35:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 53996 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2002 02:35:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2002 02:35:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2002 02:35:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2002 02:35:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 02:35:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Talking Houses Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 65 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bryancain57" X-Originating-IP: 63.188.16.149 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=111365738 X-Yahoo-Profile: bryancain57 We have those in Cleveland, also on 1610. Definitely NOT in AMS! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jul 15 20:26:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Jul 2002 03:26:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 76500 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2002 03:26:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2002 03:26:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2002 03:26:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2002 03:26:45 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 03:26:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Talking Houses Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1245 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.15 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > We have those in Cleveland, also on 1610. Definitely NOT in AMS! Yes, but some are off-frequency enough that it creates a false beat tone that can trigger radios into AM Stereo mode... I have heard this when listening to 10-watt TIS (Traveller's Information Service) stations -- they're often ~25 Hz off-frequency, and this mimics a nice AM Stereo pilot tone, although you can tell it's just falsing because it sounds all "fluttery". This is another advantage of the newer MC13022 and MC13122 C-Quam decoders... they have a tight tolerance on the pilot tone detector (Motorola calls it "Noise Immune"), so that it will only respond to a true AM Stereo pilot tone in the range of about 24.4 to 25.6 Hz. This pretty much eliminates the "falsing" problem, unlike some older radios like my Panasonic walkman (Japanese import) that will respond to any "pilot tone" in the range of about 15 to 50 Hz! Anyway... I do work for a real estate agency, but I don't think we use any "Talking Houses"! We have better stuff these days, like online "Virtual Tours" on our web site, where it mimics a camera in a certain room or position outside the house where you can move the camera in any direction, to see a complete 360-degree view! From groucho@skyweb.net Mon Jul 15 20:43:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Jul 2002 03:43:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 10950 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2002 03:43:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2002 03:43:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2002 03:43:49 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6G3mqwk035506 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:48:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D339592.A70FCC66@skyweb.net> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:40:02 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Motorola C-QUAM AM Exciter References: <20020715170902.75398.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Ok Guys.. its 11:30 pm I just got in from the transmitter site... been playing with the Stereo Exciter....Little did I know I had it Wired wrong....I didn't know that the L+R came from the exciter I was taking it directly from the optimod.... Live and Learn... how did I learn this...... My CE-Friend over at WPHT called Me back.... Never Fear Neal is here...... I asked about WPHT and No Stereo Pilot..... First He Turned it off on Friday... and I was Correct He is On Vacation Still... he will Be back On Monday.. Ok.. He told me he turned it off to run some tests Coverage Tests... apparently there is some signal shadowing In phily.... the Transmitter is actually located on the New Jersey side of the River. He wanted to see If the signal Improved with out the Stereo pilot and sidebands used with the Stereo signal... He will Turn the PILOT back On.. he also Mentioned that the Pilot may be Turned of During Talk shows. and Turned back On For the Music Programing. he's Not sure Yet. But WPHT will be back in Stereo Next week. I'm taking a trip down there Either Tuesday or Wed of next week... Neal Newman Chief Engineer and pilot light maker WTTM 1680 AM Stereo Princeton,New Jersey. From groucho@skyweb.net Mon Jul 15 20:45:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Jul 2002 03:45:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 91583 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2002 03:45:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2002 03:45:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2002 03:45:37 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6G3ohwk035704 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:50:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D339602.2381E8CD@skyweb.net> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:41:54 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Subject: WPHT will Be Stereo Again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Ok Guys.. its 11:30 pm I just got in from the transmitter site... been playing with the Stereo Exciter....Little did I know I had it Wired wrong....I didn't know that the L+R came from the exciter I was taking it directly from the optimod.... Live and Learn... how did I learn this...... My CE-Friend over at WPHT called Me back.... Never Fear Neal is here...... I asked about WPHT and No Stereo Pilot..... First He Turned it off on Friday... and I was Correct He is On Vacation Still... he will Be back On Monday.. Ok.. He told me he turned it off to run some tests Coverage Tests... apparently there is some signal shadowing In phily.... the Transmitter is actually located on the New Jersey side of the River. He wanted to see If the signal Improved with out the Stereo pilot and sidebands used with the Stereo signal... He will Turn the PILOT back On.. he also Mentioned that the Pilot may be Turned of During Talk shows. and Turned back On For the Music Programing. he's Not sure Yet. But WPHT will be back in Stereo Next week. I'm taking a trip down there Either Tuesday or Wed of next week... Neal Newman Chief Engineer and pilot light maker WTTM 1680 AM Stereo Princeton,New Jersey. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Mon Jul 15 22:56:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Jul 2002 05:56:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 21889 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2002 05:56:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2002 05:56:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2002 05:56:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2002 05:56:00 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 05:56:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Marantz SR940 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000b01c22c51$2e6a80a0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1749 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.219 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Christopher Cuff" wrote: > I also have a 940, and to be honest, have never plugged it in..Now, It would > be pointless up here at home, as with WPHT gone, I have no off-air signal to > work with.. > . I did make a decoder board for an 840 once, and that worked very well. > The 13020 is so quirky, but the amazing thing is the old TM152 never had any > trouble locking in!- same for the Spark-O-Matic car radio. I DO think that a > preamp transistor on the IF input is a must. > (Which is why I love the MC13028 and the TA8124.) > CC The reason that the TM-152 works well is that the gain for the pilot tone bandpass filter is twice what is called for in the datasheet and a TrimPot on pin 11 (AGC'd Q Out) is used to adjust the gain. If it is set in the middle then the pilot level will be at the max of what is specified. This allows adjustment of the pilot tone level to get a strong lock. The TM-152 doesn't use the co-channel input since the mechanically tuned LO has too much IPM as to create enough of a co-channel signal to trip it into mono even though there is no interference. The chip also needs adequate signal input and I used 2 a transistor amp from the ceramic filter output with about 35db of gain. Your right about the chip being quirky. Until I got a good signal into the chip and set the Q and gain of the pilot bandpass filter to the max of what is called for I rarely could get it to kick into stereo. Once I solved these issues the chip would lock onto some of the weakest stations. The other issue with the chip is its flawed cosine corrector circuit during interference. A quick solution to this is using a 100uf capacitor on pin 5 to ground to disable the cosine err amp. JSG From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jul 16 07:32:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Jul 2002 14:32:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 97780 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2002 14:32:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2002 14:32:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2002 14:32:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2002 14:32:51 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:32:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WPHT will Be Stereo Again Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D339602.2381E8CD@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1282 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 65.59.106.233 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > he also Mentioned that the Pilot may be Turned of During Talk > shows. and Turned back On For the Music Programing. he's Not sure > Yet. That is rather silly, because if you think about it, when running Mono (talk) programming, with no Stereo (L-R) component, the ONLY difference between a "mono" and "stereo" signal is the 25 Hz pilot tone, which gets transmitted with 4% modulation. So if you are really pessimistic, and want to blame the transmitter, this means there is at most only a 4% drop in coverage... and how much is 4% off of a 50,000-watt Class I-A signal from Philly? A mile or two out in Maryland or New York? As long as he keeps the audio processing the same, I doubt he'll see any real coverage difference between Mono and Stereo, with talk programming -- especially on mono radios, which don't even "see" the pilot tone anyway since they don't pick up the C-Quam L-R component. > But WPHT will be back in Stereo Next week. I'm taking a trip down > there Either Tuesday or Wed of next week... In any event, that is good to hear... and remind him, people DO notice the difference without Stereo... even with mono talk, having the Stereo pilot tone on gives better audio response on many car radios -- yet another benefit of using AM Stereo! From narkspud@hotmail.com Tue Jul 16 09:47:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Jul 2002 16:47:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 28592 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2002 16:47:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2002 16:47:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2002 16:47:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2002 16:47:13 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:47:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WPHT will Be Stereo Again Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 596 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud > > he also Mentioned that the Pilot may be Turned of During Talk > > shows. and Turned back On For the Music Programing. he's Not sure > > Yet. > > That is rather silly, Sounds like he's got FM on the brain. It's considered good broadcasting practice (and may have been required at some point in the past) to turn off your FM Stereo when running mono programs. One of our NPR's, KPCC, still does it. Of course, on FM it makes a difference. TV stations also turned off their colorburst during black-and-white shows back in the day. Haven't seen anyone do that in years. narkspud From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jul 16 10:17:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Jul 2002 17:17:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 13978 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2002 17:17:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2002 17:17:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2002 17:17:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2002 17:17:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:17:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WPHT will Be Stereo Again Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1335 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Sounds like he's got FM on the brain. It's considered good > broadcasting practice (and may have been required at some point in > the past) to turn off your FM Stereo when running mono programs. > One of our NPR's, KPCC, still does it. Of course, on FM it makes a > difference. Philadelphia used to have a popular FM talk station -- 96.5 WWDB -- that broadcast in mono at all times except for Sid Mark's music programs on weekends. When 96.5 changed formats, Sid's music moved to 1210 WPHT, and he magically brought the Stereo with him (WPHT previously turned off their AM Stereo in about 1997, and it returned full-time in 2000 to accomany the music). 93.9 WNYC-FM in New York City often broadcasts in mono for talk and Stereo for music -- at the top of the hour, you often see the Stereo pilot magically disappear or reappear. But sometimes they get it backwards and give us talk in stereo and Classical music in mono! > TV stations also turned off their colorburst during > black-and-white shows back in the day. Haven't seen anyone do > that in years. Probably because they always want to have their color logo "bug" in the lower right corner of the screen. The broadcast TV networks used to only show this for a few moments after each commercial break, but now it's on for most, if not all, of the time. From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Jul 16 10:34:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Jul 2002 17:34:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 22377 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2002 17:34:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2002 17:34:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2002 17:34:48 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6GHdiOj040997 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 13:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D34583F.FA4E1F6C@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 13:30:39 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WPHT will Be Stereo Again References: From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I used to work at the transmitter plant at WQED/WQEX back in the early 80's and as far as I know They still turn off the colorburst for old Black and white movies. I can remember the little X in the corner with the words Kick Here for Low Temp..... they were water cooled.. and in the corner of the Tx was an bend(Elboe) in the pipe which would clog-up.. and the water temp would Rise... kicking it cleared the pipe.. and the Temp would Go down.... Its kind of Funny... Neal kevtronics wrote: > > Sounds like he's got FM on the brain. It's considered good > > broadcasting practice (and may have been required at some point in > > the past) to turn off your FM Stereo when running mono programs. > > One of our NPR's, KPCC, still does it. Of course, on FM it makes a > > difference. > > Philadelphia used to have a popular FM talk station -- 96.5 WWDB -- > that broadcast in mono at all times except for Sid Mark's music > programs on weekends. When 96.5 changed formats, Sid's music moved > to 1210 WPHT, and he magically brought the Stereo with him (WPHT > previously turned off their AM Stereo in about 1997, and it returned > full-time in 2000 to accomany the music). > > 93.9 WNYC-FM in New York City often broadcasts in mono for talk and > Stereo for music -- at the top of the hour, you often see the Stereo > pilot magically disappear or reappear. But sometimes they get it > backwards and give us talk in stereo and Classical music in mono! > > > TV stations also turned off their colorburst during > > black-and-white shows back in the day. Haven't seen anyone do > > that in years. > > Probably because they always want to have their color logo "bug" in > the lower right corner of the screen. The broadcast TV networks used > to only show this for a few moments after each commercial break, but > now it's on for most, if not all, of the time. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dziki64@yahoo.com Tue Jul 16 11:14:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dziki64@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Jul 2002 18:14:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 15849 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2002 18:14:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2002 18:14:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2002 18:14:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2002 18:14:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 18:14:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: CCRadio Plus & Am Stereo? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 329 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "dziki64" X-Originating-IP: 209.37.34.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=86980989 X-Yahoo-Profile: dziki64 Just wondering if anyone has tried to modify the CCRadio Plus for AM Stereo reception? I have a CCRadio Plus and it really brings in the stations. If only it could receive AM Stereo, that would be a real plus! It has line outs and FM stereo through the headphones. Doens't seem like it would be difficult. Thanks, Marty From fanfare@globility.com Tue Jul 16 12:18:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Jul 2002 19:18:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 81052 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2002 19:18:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2002 19:18:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2002 19:18:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2002 19:18:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:18:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: An interesting dictum Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 256 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amfmguy" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.233.70 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy I found this interesting smigent of logic stuck to a piece of SPAM called the "Intelligent Mailbox". It reminded me of those to whom victory is more important than its benefits. "All change is not growth; all movement is not forward." --Ellen Glasgow From meridian3891@cs.com Tue Jul 16 13:13:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: meridian3891@cs.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Jul 2002 20:13:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 69257 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2002 20:13:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2002 20:13:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2002 20:13:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2002 20:13:37 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 20:13:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WPHT will Be Stereo Again Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1903 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "onemeridian" X-Originating-IP: 205.166.36.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=48487815 X-Yahoo-Profile: onemeridian I believe 96.5 WWDB used all of their subcarriers while broadcasting in mono. My FM Atlas has them listed as using the 41 kHz subcarrier when they would be in mono (which would be all the time, except when Sid was on). There was another station down here by Philly (Jenkintown, to be exact) which maxed out on their subcarriers (& subsequently had their main programming in mono) all the time. They were WIBF 103.9 FM. Tony --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > > Sounds like he's got FM on the brain. It's considered good > > broadcasting practice (and may have been required at some point in > > the past) to turn off your FM Stereo when running mono programs. > > One of our NPR's, KPCC, still does it. Of course, on FM it makes a > > difference. > > Philadelphia used to have a popular FM talk station -- 96.5 WWDB -- > that broadcast in mono at all times except for Sid Mark's music > programs on weekends. When 96.5 changed formats, Sid's music moved > to 1210 WPHT, and he magically brought the Stereo with him (WPHT > previously turned off their AM Stereo in about 1997, and it returned > full-time in 2000 to accomany the music). > > 93.9 WNYC-FM in New York City often broadcasts in mono for talk and > Stereo for music -- at the top of the hour, you often see the Stereo > pilot magically disappear or reappear. But sometimes they get it > backwards and give us talk in stereo and Classical music in mono! > > > TV stations also turned off their colorburst during > > black-and-white shows back in the day. Haven't seen anyone do > > that in years. > > Probably because they always want to have their color logo "bug" in > the lower right corner of the screen. The broadcast TV networks used > to only show this for a few moments after each commercial break, but > now it's on for most, if not all, of the time. From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Tue Jul 16 13:32:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Jul 2002 20:32:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 80617 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2002 20:31:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2002 20:31:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2002 20:31:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2002 20:31:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 20:31:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: SRF-42 on Ebay Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio Item # 1367103165 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1367103165 From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Jul 16 13:37:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Jul 2002 20:37:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 18355 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2002 20:37:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2002 20:37:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2002 20:37:31 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6GKgROj076109 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:42:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D348305.D63B475A@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:33:17 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} SRF-42 on Ebay References: From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks I got My Bid in... Neal Newman Ebay- Whatamix CE WTTM wgliradio wrote: > Item # 1367103165 > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1367103165 > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From narkspud@hotmail.com Tue Jul 16 14:26:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Jul 2002 21:26:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 47369 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2002 21:26:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2002 21:26:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2002 21:26:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2002 21:25:54 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:25:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: TX-11a vs. TX-11b Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 195 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud Pray explain to your humble apprentice, oh knowledgable ones, the difference between these two Carver Tuners. Many thanks. narkspud (who saw this answered once before, but can't find it now) From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Jul 16 14:36:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Jul 2002 21:36:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 16348 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2002 21:36:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2002 21:36:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2002 21:36:51 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.26]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:35:27 -0400 Message-ID: <002c01c22d10$ee9d2d40$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} SRF-42 on Ebay Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:37:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I see this seller is from Missouri and is an AM stereo afficianado- Is he on this list? I am sure he would like it here- after all "Missouri loves company".... (sorry.... I had to do it) CC ----- Original Message ----- From: wgliradio To: Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 4:31 PM Subject: {AMSF} SRF-42 on Ebay > Item # 1367103165 > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1367103165 From narkspud@hotmail.com Tue Jul 16 14:39:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Jul 2002 21:39:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 36790 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2002 21:39:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2002 21:39:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2002 21:39:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2002 21:39:25 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:39:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} SRF-42 on Ebay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002c01c22d10$ee9d2d40$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 150 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Christopher Cuff" wrote: > after all "Missouri loves > company".... (sorry.... I had to do it) You did NOT. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jul 16 16:05:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Jul 2002 23:05:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 52002 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2002 23:05:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2002 23:05:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2002 23:05:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2002 23:05:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 23:05:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WPHT will Be Stereo Again Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D34583F.FA4E1F6C@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1215 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I can remember the little X in the corner with the words Kick Here > for Low Temp..... they were water cooled.. and in the corner of the > Tx was an bend(Elboe) in the pipe which would clog-up.. and the > water temp would Rise... kicking it cleared the pipe.. and the > Temp would Go down.... Its kind of Funny... In my town is a 5,000,000 watt UHF TV station -- actually, most of that power is made up by antenna gain rather than actual transmitter output power, but still, I don't think that would be a fun rig to work on, let alone be in the same room with... but yet, I've heard it's still not enough to melt the ice off the tower in the winter? I guess ~700 MHz doesn't act as much like microwaves... speaking of which, anybody notice that the new 2.4 GHz cordless phones use the same frequency range as microwave ovens? Don't tell that to your kids, lest they put the handset in the microwave to see if it rings when they nuke it.... p.s. One of the more destructive things I remember doing to a piece of communications equipment as a child was dunking an AM transistor radio we had on the beach into the salt water of the ocean... it actually still played for a while before giving up! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jul 16 16:16:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Jul 2002 23:16:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 56281 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2002 23:16:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2002 23:16:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2002 23:15:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2002 23:15:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 23:15:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: SRF-42 on Ebay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002c01c22d10$ee9d2d40$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 483 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I see this seller is from Missouri and is an AM stereo afficianado- > Is he on this list? I am sure he would like it here- after all > "Missouri loves company".... (sorry.... I had to do it) Okay, silly joke time... here's one a co-worker shared with me today: A thief managed to steal paintings out of the Louvre museum in France, only to have his getaway van run out of gas two blocks away. His response to police? "I had no Monet to pay for Degas to make de Van Gogh..." From dav259@csiro.au Tue Jul 16 16:47:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Jul 2002 23:47:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 11077 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2002 23:47:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2002 23:47:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2002 23:47:33 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09729 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:47:31 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:47:31 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WPHT will Be Stereo Again In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, kevtronics wrote: > > he also Mentioned that the Pilot may be Turned of During Talk > > shows. and Turned back On For the Music Programing. he's Not sure > > Yet. > > That is rather silly, because if you think about it, when running > Mono (talk) programming, with no Stereo (L-R) component, the ONLY > difference between a "mono" and "stereo" signal is the 25 Hz pilot > tone, which gets transmitted with 4% modulation. Maybe this is why 24/7 Talk 1116 3AK for the most of the last two years has been stereo with no pilot. From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Jul 16 17:14:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 17 Jul 2002 00:14:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 24521 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2002 00:14:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2002 00:14:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2002 00:14:51 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-48.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.48]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g6H0Bpiu017965 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:11:52 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <006501c22d27$a9bb6400$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} An interesting dictum Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:19:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Paul Harvey has a similar saying- "Not all we call progress....... is progress." ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "amfmguy" > "All change is not growth; all movement is not forward." > --Ellen Glasgow > > From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Jul 16 17:22:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 17 Jul 2002 00:22:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 43201 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2002 00:22:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2002 00:22:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2002 00:22:44 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-48.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.48]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g6H0Jhiu019552 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:19:44 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <008901c22d28$c3402d60$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} CCRadio Plus & Am Stereo? Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:27:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I don't think anyone has, but it might be worth a try. You do have to take a few things into account, however- that radio is designed as a DXer radio, and as a result has a rather narrow IF, so you won't get the fidelity you might otherwise get. Also as a result of its sensitivity, it is more prone to picking up interfering stations which could cause havoc to any stereo stations you hear, especially at night. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "dziki64" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 1:14 PM Subject: {AMSF} CCRadio Plus & Am Stereo? > Just wondering if anyone has tried to modify the CCRadio Plus for AM > Stereo reception? I have a CCRadio Plus and it really brings in the > stations. If only it could receive AM Stereo, that would be a real > plus! It has line outs and FM stereo through the headphones. > Doens't seem like it would be difficult. > > Thanks, > Marty > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Jul 16 17:24:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 17 Jul 2002 00:24:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 63738 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2002 00:24:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2002 00:24:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2002 00:24:18 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-48.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.48]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g6H0LIiu019923 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:21:19 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <008f01c22d28$fbeab540$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} TX-11a vs. TX-11b Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:29:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Going from a somewhat fuzzy memory, I think the B had a better AMS section, though both were pretty good. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "narkspud" > Pray explain to your humble apprentice, oh knowledgable ones, > the difference between these two Carver Tuners. > > Many thanks. > > narkspud (who saw this answered once before, but can't find it > now) > > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jul 16 20:32:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 17 Jul 2002 03:32:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 14138 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2002 03:32:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2002 03:32:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2002 03:32:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2002 03:32:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 03:32:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Carver TX-11a vs. TX-11b Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008f01c22d28$fbeab540$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1109 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Going from a somewhat fuzzy memory, I think the B had a better AMS > section, though both were pretty good. The original Carver TX-11 was FM *only*, with no AM tuner at all. The TX-11a added the ultra-hi-fi AM Stereo tuner (that covered the Expanded Band and met AMAX standards years before either existed!). I have no real info on the TX-11b or TX-11c, but I assume they are just small updates on the design. The MC13020 chip from Motorola was "secretly" improved over the years (although they never gave it publically accessible revision numbers), so if Carver was as concerned with detail as their price tags warranted, it might be true that a TX-11b or TX-11c will offer slightly superior AM Stereo reception and sound quality over the TX-11a, even though the main features remained the same. BTW, I hear Bob Carver is actually back in the audio business... but I don't know if his company is making tuners this time. Some of the later Carver tuners, like the CT-23, were supposed to be pretty good on AM, even if they lacked AM Stereo or any official AMAX-type quality designations. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jul 16 21:04:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 17 Jul 2002 04:04:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 31194 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2002 04:04:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2002 04:04:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14203.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.145) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2002 04:04:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20020717040400.68469.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.190] by web14203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:04:00 PDT Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:04:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Last Day to Reply to Comments To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hey gang: last day to "Reply to Comments" on the FCC 99-325 IBOC crap. Add your two cents worth on the value of Analog AM Stereo, especially with Fanfare's new AM tuner on the way! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From KC4QLP@aol.com Tue Jul 16 21:55:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 17 Jul 2002 04:55:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 35910 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2002 04:55:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2002 04:55:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m09.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.164) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2002 04:55:37 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 5.40.20cada0b (1324) for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 00:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40.20cada0b.2a665218@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 00:52:40 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} WPHT will Be Stereo Again To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 7/15/02 11:46:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, groucho@skyweb.net writes: << Ok.. He told me he turned it off to run some tests Coverage Tests... apparently there is some signal shadowing In phily.... the Transmitter is actually located on the New Jersey side of the River. He wanted to see If the signal Improved with out the Stereo pilot and sidebands used with the Stereo signal... He will Turn the PILOT back On.. he also Mentioned that the Pilot may be Turned of During Talk shows. and Turned back On For the Music Programing. >> Well I could have saved him the trouble and told him that the coverage is no different with or without the pilot on or off. The pilot consumes very little of the total modulating capability of the transmitter.Even with the C-QUAM present there is no effects. I have perfomed the test myself using a field strength meter and by riding out to the 35 uV area of my signal...{ @ 1kw that is approximately 160 miles away in the Richmond Va area..on the northern lobe of my southeast directed coverage area.{{directional two tower array..main lobe towards Cape Hatteras..southeast of me and the minor lobe towards the northwest..towards Richmond/Petersburg Va}..no difference in the sound IE loudness or signal strength.And yes we leave the pilot on 24/7 here regardless of talk or music programming.I find it best to just leave the pilot on as it does help make the station "standout" from the rest if your listening with a stereo receiver. I did something rather interesting with a Rush Limbaugh promo that I created.The show it self is feed in mono on satellite.So recording parts of the show to produce a promo came with some creativity...setting up the recording equipment so that it would record in two channel mono...one recorder in phase and another recorder recording out of phase....then overlap the two recordings together gives the final product an enhanced sound. Listening on a mono radio..you would never hear the enhancement...on a stereo radio it actually makes the spot sound "louder"...more presents if you will in a sense without an over bearing fake stereo sound.When time permits..I'll upload it to the web. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms." Your message (if actually mailed) is in violation of the Federal Telephone Consumer Protection Act of 1991, and Collateral Code of Federal Regulations (47 CFR 64.1200). The TCPA allows a private right of action against the sender of unsolicited advertising. The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From KC4QLP@aol.com Tue Jul 16 21:59:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 17 Jul 2002 04:59:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 62532 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2002 04:59:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2002 04:59:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2002 04:59:37 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 3.b2.e91181a (1324) for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 00:59:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 00:59:32 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WPHT will Be Stereo Again To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 7/16/02 10:34:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kevtronics@yahoo.com writes: << with no Stereo (L-R) component, the ONLY difference between a "mono" and "stereo" signal is the 25 Hz pilot tone, which gets transmitted with 4% modulation. So if you are really pessimistic, and want to blame the transmitter, this means there is at most only a 4% drop in coverage... and how much is 4% off of a 50,000-watt Class I-A signal from Philly? A mile or two out in Maryland or New York? >> The distance coverage wouldnt be effected that much.No one....the human ear would not be able to perceive the difference in a drop of 4%...and coverage wise it wouldnt even matter. The signal is either there or not there and the difference of 125% modulation and 110%..a more drastic drop that 4% wouldnt bother the coverage area. In the old days of modulation wars...it would be a problem. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Is ebayer "showmeradio" on our list here? Why the AM Stereo purge? Perhaps an old KMOX listener that got screwed when they shut-off the stereo with their excellent late night music on weekends. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From mark_608@hotmail.com Wed Jul 17 06:38:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 17 Jul 2002 13:38:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 30472 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2002 13:38:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2002 13:38:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.50) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2002 13:38:08 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 06:38:08 -0700 Received: from 136.2.1.153 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:38:08 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Marantz SR940 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:38:08 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2002 13:38:08.0717 (UTC) FILETIME=[2FED07D0:01C22D97] From: "Mark Sundquist" X-Originating-IP: [136.2.1.153] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3850332 X-Yahoo-Profile: mark_608 Thanks for all the ideas on the SR940...I just received some decoders from Chris and if playing with the current decoder does not yield satisfactory results, I may pop in on of the decoders instead... Mark _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From fanfare@globility.com Wed Jul 17 06:52:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 17 Jul 2002 13:52:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 74220 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2002 13:52:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2002 13:52:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2002 13:52:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2002 13:52:04 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:52:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM antennas Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 404 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amfmguy" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.234.192 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy If there is any one thing there seems to be a dirth of, it is compact, broadband, AM antennas. However, I have recently read a review(?) article in Monitoring Times that promotes the Radio Shack Indoor AM loop antenna, their stock number is 15-1583. Has anyone here had any experience with this animal? If you'd like to read the article, write to me and I will forward the JPG (710K). Cheers, M From groucho@skyweb.net Wed Jul 17 07:05:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 17 Jul 2002 14:05:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 94774 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2002 14:05:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2002 14:05:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2002 14:05:16 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6HEAAOj094607 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:10:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D3578B0.7E4A4039@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:01:20 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM antennas References: From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have one and It works........ its a small aprox 8-10 " loop with a tuning cap.. nice looking.. sits on my bookshelf ... I use it on my Carver TX-11b receiver... Neal Newman Chief Engineer WTTM 1680 am stereo Princeton,New Jersey America's largest South Asian music,News,Talk Station amfmguy wrote: > If there is any one thing there seems to be a dirth of, it is > compact, broadband, AM antennas. However, I have recently read a > review(?) article in Monitoring Times that promotes the Radio Shack > Indoor AM loop antenna, their stock number is 15-1583. > > Has anyone here had any experience with this animal? > > If you'd like to read the article, write to me and I will forward the > JPG (710K). > > Cheers, > > M > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor [Click here to visit our exclusive feature of ACUVUE2 Colours at LensExpress.com!] Click here to find your contact lenses! > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mwradio@gmx.net Wed Jul 17 07:21:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mwradio@gmx.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 17 Jul 2002 14:21:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 36062 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2002 14:21:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2002 14:21:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.dnbsi.com) (207.229.108.169) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2002 14:21:38 -0000 Received: from espositojm2 (0-1pool156-4.nas1.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net [65.128.156.4]) by smtp.dnbsi.com (Postfix) with SMTP id B03B6CE51 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 07:21:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <012201c22d9d$408b94c0$06630780@espositojm2> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM antennas Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:21:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Joe Esposito" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=93604673 X-Yahoo-Profile: espositojm For the price (29.95) it is a good buy. I have one of these loops and one of Ed W.'s Torus-Tuner Loops. Ed's loop definitely outperforms the RS loop but it is also $30-$40 more expensive. Both of these loop work for what I want them to do. I now live in Central, PA and like to listen to KDKA even though they no longer broadcast in AM Stereo. Does anyone know what KDKA did with their AMS equipment? With both loops I can receive KDKA with little problem. BTW. I am awaiting shipment of a used Big KIWA loop. I look forward to comparing the above loops to the KIWA. Unfortunately, Loops are bad for DX'ing AM Stereo so if you are DX'ing a AM Stereo station you need a broadband antenna. The Mckay Dymek DAE-100 would be good for AM DX'ing. You would need two broadband antennas combined into something like the Radio-Plus Quantum Phaser (www.dx-tools.com/PRODUCTS.htm) to null out unwanted signals like with a loop antenna. Somewhat extreme but it does work very well. Joe Esposito ----- Original Message ----- From: "amfmguy" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 9:52 AM Subject: {AMSF} AM antennas > If there is any one thing there seems to be a dirth of, it is > compact, broadband, AM antennas. However, I have recently read a > review(?) article in Monitoring Times that promotes the Radio Shack > Indoor AM loop antenna, their stock number is 15-1583. > > Has anyone here had any experience with this animal? From badlhoch@hotmail.com Wed Jul 17 07:42:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: badlhoch@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 17 Jul 2002 14:42:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 68383 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2002 14:42:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2002 14:42:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.229) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2002 14:42:09 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 07:42:09 -0700 Received: from 136.1.1.62 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:42:09 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM antennas Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:42:09 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2002 14:42:09.0487 (UTC) FILETIME=[213405F0:01C22DA0] From: "Bill Adlhoch" X-Originating-IP: [136.1.1.62] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59104360 I highly recommend the Kiwa pocket loop www.kiwa.com ----Original Message Follows---- From: "amfmguy" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} AM antennas Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:52:03 -0000 If there is any one thing there seems to be a dirth of, it is compact, broadband, AM antennas. However, I have recently read a review(?) article in Monitoring Times that promotes the Radio Shack Indoor AM loop antenna, their stock number is 15-1583. Has anyone here had any experience with this animal? If you'd like to read the article, write to me and I will forward the JPG (710K). Cheers, M _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From amfmdx@fastq.com Wed Jul 17 08:47:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 17 Jul 2002 15:47:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 60283 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2002 15:47:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2002 15:47:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2002 15:47:01 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d188-osel-phx.fastq.com [209.63.214.175]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g6HFl0T67822 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:47:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <041d01c22da8$a2a9fc40$4b92adcf@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM antennas Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:43:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > If there is any one thing there seems to be a dirth of, it is > compact, broadband, AM antennas. Marv, If theres something that there is not a dearth of, it is NOT compact broadband AM antennas. You just need to know where to look. > However, I have recently read a > review(?) article in Monitoring Times that promotes the Radio Shack > Indoor AM loop antenna, their stock number is 15-1583. I have one and its worth every penny. I can honestly tell you that if you buy one, you will be pleased. There is the Select-A-Tenna series of three or four antennas that are also very good. You can see them at www.ccrane.com. There is the ultra high performance Kiwa loop. If you search in Google, you will find it. I have used one but don't own one. Its pricey but its a phenomenal antenna. Gerry Thomas at Quantum Electronics sells the Quantum series antennas. These are superlative units and about half the price of the unbelievably excellent Kiwa loop but come VERY close to to the Kiwa. You can find this at www.dx-tools.com or www.dxtools.com I cant remember which but one of them will get you there. Yes Virginia, you can find AM loop DXing antennas out there and they are really good units! Kevin From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jul 17 10:10:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 17 Jul 2002 17:10:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 32028 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2002 17:10:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2002 17:10:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2002 17:10:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2002 17:10:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:09:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM antennas Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <041d01c22da8$a2a9fc40$4b92adcf@kredding430cdt> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1902 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > However, I have recently read a review(?) article in Monitoring > Times that promotes the Radio Shack Indoor AM loop antenna, their > stock number is 15-1583. I have the Terk AM Advantage loop antenna, available for approx. US$60.00 in some electronics stores, and it seems to work well -- but I don't know how the cheaper Radio Shack loop would compare. Basically, a tuned loop antenna adds another layer of Tuned RF to your radio. For radios that are already Tuned RF design, like the GE Superadio series, car radios, or some older high-quality AM radios, it won't help as much as it does with regular AM radios. If you can hear a signal at all, a loop antenna will help to bring it in more clearly, and with better selectivity. The bandwidth will still be good enough for hi-fi AM Stereo, at least with the Terk. The only real downside is that on crowded channels (especially at night), the loop antenna will not only bring in the station you want more clearly, but the background interference will become louder as well, as well as static or lightning crashes (most obvious in the Expanded Band, where lightning crackles get propapgated by skywaves at night, so even if there is no thunderstorm for 400 miles around you, you will still hear lightning crackles!). One caveat for Realistic TM-152 owners is that this radio doesn't seem to respond well to a loop antenna, even with a direct (wired) connection to it. The TM-152 really wants to have an old-fashioned long wire antenna, preferably strung up outdoors, just like an old vacuum tube radio. One trick that might work is to take the end of this outdoor antenna wire and wrap it around the loop antenna (Terk, Radio Shack, etc.) a couple times, and then use a wire connection from the loop antenna to the TM-152, so that the signal coming from the outdoor wire antenna "passes through" the tuned loop before going into the radio. From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Jul 17 10:13:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 17 Jul 2002 17:13:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 50030 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2002 17:13:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2002 17:13:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2002 17:13:33 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn69.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.73]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:13:32 -0600 To: Subject: Evil Empire in the news Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:13:30 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [Michael J. Richard] Hi all....forwarded this in from another list. When it has to do with the Evil Empire, I just can't resist :) MJR n WYO BEGIN FWD: Clear Channel battles rumors, market decline Dan Monk DBJ Contributor It sure looks cloudy these days at the Covington, Ky., headquarters of Clear Channel Radio. The nation's largest radio chain, which rode an industry deregulation wave to acquire 1,240 stations, along with concert, television and outdoor advertising companies, just finished one of the worst months in its history. Clear Channel Communications Inc., the San Antonio-based parent company, lost $14 billion in market value in June, as its stock dropped from $53.23 to less than $30 per share. And that's just the start of the bad news. 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Dave in GA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmdx@fastq.com Wed Jul 17 11:08:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 17 Jul 2002 18:08:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 51199 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2002 18:08:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2002 18:08:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2002 18:08:16 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d91-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.123]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g6HI8FT72339 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:08:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <047001c22dbc$4201a1e0$4b92adcf@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM antennas Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:03:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > One caveat for Realistic TM-152 owners is that this radio doesn't seem to respond well to a loop antenna, even with a direct (wired) connection to it. I have never had this problem with the TM-152. I have found that if you sent the loop on top of the TM-152 in the sweet spot, it works just fine. It works fine with the SAT and the RS loop. I also found that it responds very well with an amplified antenna such as the Quantum loops that Gerry Thomas sells. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From jsgil@hal-pc.org Wed Jul 17 11:20:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 17 Jul 2002 18:20:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 78040 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2002 18:20:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2002 18:20:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2002 18:20:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2002 18:20:06 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 18:20:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WPHT will Be Stereo Again Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2699 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.110 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., KC4QLP@a... wrote: > In a message dated 7/16/02 10:34:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > kevtronics@y... writes: > > << with no Stereo (L-R) component, the ONLY > difference between a "mono" and "stereo" signal is the 25 Hz pilot > tone, which gets transmitted with 4% modulation. So if you are > really pessimistic, and want to blame the transmitter, this means > there is at most only a 4% drop in coverage... and how much is 4% off > of a 50,000-watt Class I-A signal from Philly? A mile or two out in > Maryland or New York? >> > The pilot only creates a 2.3deg deviation when there is no modulation in the L+R (I) channel. This will only create a .08% increase in the envelope since the pilot is in the L-R (Q) channel and has neglidgeable impact on the envelope at low levels like this since the L-R channel carrier is 90deg out of phase with the L+R carrier. Now when there is L+R modulation this phase deviation will increase the envelope on dips in L+R and at -96% L+R modulation while the pilot is a its peak will increase the envelope by 41%. At a -96% modulation when the (I) channel is 4% and and the (Q) channel is also 4% results in a 45deg deviation. At 45deg 1/CosT is 1.414 increasig the carrier to 5.65% from 4% accounting for only a 1.65% increase in relation to the unmodulated carrier. During peak envelope power of +125% this will decrease to a .035% increase in the envelope power. This is the basic characteristics of a QuAM signal and was the concept behind the variable phase Harris system that kept the phase deviation winthin +/-30deg for envelope compatibility. At low phase deviations this has very little effect on the envelope. The envelope is comprised of the SquareRoot of the Sum of the 2 Vectors Squared and when the pilot is at its peak of 4% .04 squared is .0016 plus 1 for the un- modulated carrier is 1.0016 and the square root of this is 1.0008. Now if you are concerned with this low percentage of loss in L+R modulation it is gained back when the signal is C-QuAMed since the envelope is remodulated with L+R. This is the beauty of C-QuAM in that the headroom lost in the L+R modulation of the QuAM signal from the L-R modulation is gained back. This remodulation does create harmonics of 25Hz but probably don't go past the 4th harmonic which is 100Hz that can be measured. All in all I don't think this will produce any measureable difference in coverage with todays testing equipment. With an average deviation of 2.3deg from the pilot some older transmitters may have more incidental phase modulations than this. I theory there may be a minute loss in coverage that can be measured in feet. JSG From jsgil@hal-pc.org Wed Jul 17 11:29:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 17 Jul 2002 18:29:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 28377 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2002 18:29:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2002 18:29:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2002 18:29:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2002 18:29:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 18:29:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM antennas Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 543 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.110 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > > One caveat for Realistic TM-152 owners is that this radio doesn't > seem to respond well to a loop antenna, even with a direct (wired) > connection to it. The TM-152 really wants to have an old-fashioned > long wire antenna, preferably strung up outdoors, just like an old > vacuum tube radio. I seem to get good response with my TM-152 with a loop. This may be because of my homemade loop using a 10" embroidry hoop and a old fashion tuning capacitor though. JSG From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Wed Jul 17 12:48:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 17 Jul 2002 19:48:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 22315 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2002 19:48:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2002 19:48:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf09bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.169) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2002 19:48:45 -0000 Received: from juan ([67.32.217.14]) by imf09bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020717195016.OXCX1189.imf09bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:50:16 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01c22dca$f500a8a0$af78fea9@juan> To: Subject: WTTB Update Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:48:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As of 1:45 this afternoon, WTTB has it's AM Stereo pilot on. We have been checking for a loss in coverage (none) and we hopefully will have the Stereo STL installed, in the very near future. Has anybody had luck, using an FM Processor on AM ? Juan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Jul 17 15:05:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 17 Jul 2002 22:05:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 68031 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2002 22:05:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2002 22:05:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2002 22:05:47 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-205.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.205]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g6HM2jiu023670 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:02:47 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002501c22dde$cd25ee80$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <012201c22d9d$408b94c0$06630780@espositojm2> Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM antennas Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:10:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude How so? That's the only way I can get WKSH many nights. BTW, down one notch on 1630, KCJJ is airing Laura Ingraham 6-9P. Still stereo, though. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Esposito" > Unfortunately, Loops are bad for DX'ing AM Stereo so if you are DX'ing a AM > Stereo station you need a broadband antenna. From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Jul 17 15:27:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 17 Jul 2002 22:27:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 58730 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2002 22:27:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2002 22:27:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2002 22:27:44 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-205.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.205]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g6HMOgiu028385 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:24:43 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <005f01c22de1$de029d40$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <000a01c22dca$f500a8a0$af78fea9@juan> Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTB Update Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:32:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude You'll have to put a brick wall audio filter before the processor, but they share the same preemphasis curve, so it should work. I think you'll also need to matrix it before you process it, L+R through one side and L-R through the other, with the two sides decoupled. Is professorpoole still on the list? Perhaps he could shed some light on the subject. I know that the Crawford stations use the Omnia AM-3, which is a stereo limiter, but isn't set up for matrix processing, yet they seem to do a good job for them. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Juan / John Gualda" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 2:48 PM Subject: {AMSF} WTTB Update > As of 1:45 this afternoon, WTTB has it's AM Stereo pilot on. We have been checking for a loss in coverage (none) and we hopefully will have the Stereo STL installed, in the very near future. > > Has anybody had luck, using an FM Processor on AM ? > > > Juan > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Wed Jul 17 18:42:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Jul 2002 01:42:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 33170 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2002 01:42:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2002 01:42:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf16bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.36) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2002 01:42:56 -0000 Received: from juan ([67.32.217.14]) by imf16bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020718014427.VGEH9213.imf16bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 21:44:28 -0400 Message-ID: <001601c22dfc$705e1e20$af78fea9@juan> To: Subject: OT: Cable Leak Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 21:42:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I watch my network stations from West Palm Beach. It is a good haul from here, about 70+ miles. The last couple weeks, the stations from Palm Beach are un-receivable because the AT&T cable...from somewhere south of me, is leaking. I have called the AT&T office 3 times....twice, they didn't know what a cable leak was...(one time, laughing like I was an idiot)....and it was a matter of trying to explain what was happening. the last time, I explained...."please tell your techs, that there is a leak in the cable to my south...give them my number, and I will even show them the cable channels 2-13 showing up on my TV...as I try to view the week signals from West Palm Beach. Nothing corrected as of tonight. I thought this would be a priority, especially with Hams (including myself) possibly contributing to lousy reception on the neighbors cable channels. What is next ? The FCC...? I hate to go that route... Anybody else have this problem ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Wed Jul 17 20:25:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Jul 2002 03:25:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 77011 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2002 03:25:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2002 03:25:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2002 03:25:19 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 20:25:18 -0700 Received: from 209.240.222.130 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 03:25:18 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Cable Leak Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 03:25:18 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2002 03:25:18.0999 (UTC) FILETIME=[BDE11270:01C22E0A] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.222.130] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Juan wrote: >The last couple weeks, the stations from Palm Beach are un-receivable >because the AT&T cable...from somewhere south of me, is leaking. >I have called the AT&T office 3 times....twice, they didn't know what a >cable leak was...(one time, laughing like I was an idiot)....and it was a > >matter of trying to explain what was happening. >What is next ? The FCC...? I hate to go that route... Only if you briefly describe the problem on the back of a crisp $100 bill will they probably even give your complaint the time of day. I know he's out of town, but if Bob Betcher is answering his email, he may be able to help; he seems to been able to help other people with cable problems, when the companies seem to be unable or unwilling to help their customers. donn st petersburg hoping to be in Vero within the next four weeks to hear WTTB in stereo _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jul 17 21:45:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Jul 2002 04:45:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 44016 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2002 04:45:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2002 04:45:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2002 04:45:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2002 04:45:05 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 04:45:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: eBay "amstereo"? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 268 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.85.18 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics There's a new bidder for the Sony SRF-42 on eBay, with the ID "amstereo"... is this person one of us here? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1367103165 The current bid price is $31.00 -- already more than the it cost new at Radio Shack ($29.99). From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Jul 17 21:56:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Jul 2002 04:56:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 72274 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2002 04:56:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2002 04:56:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11703.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2002 04:56:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20020718045616.72545.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.32.159] by web11703.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 21:56:16 PDT Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 21:56:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WILD 1090 Boston Stereo problem To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20020716015557.68503.qmail@web14901.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I'm in Providence, but I have a local 1110 near me. 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Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Jul 17 22:29:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Jul 2002 05:29:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 70333 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2002 05:29:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2002 05:29:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r08.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.104) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2002 05:29:06 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.ea.2aba55f1 (3310) for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 01:29:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 01:29:03 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Cable Leak To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 7/17/02 9:44:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gualdaj@bellsouth.net writes: << Nothing corrected as of tonight. I thought this would be a priority, especially with Hams (including myself) possibly contributing to lousy reception on the neighbors cable channels. What is next ? The FCC...? I hate to go that route... Anybody else have this problem ? >> Here is a suggestion. First,find the local office for your cable company/local billing office...usually there are some techs somewhere around waiting for service calls etc.If your are lucky to find such conditions...talk with someone locally about your trouble with their leaky cable and remind them of the FCC regulations regarding cable systems and over the air signal radiation.If the company is any good,they will promptly take care of the problem. Usually the people you talk to on the phone are hundreds of miles from you and could care less about your leaking cable problem..much less know what it is.All they know about trouble is when someone calls to report cable outages. If results do not come as quickly as the cable company promises...go to your local elected county or city officals.Most local gov watch local cable providers like a hawk these days..making sure things get done ...and if they are not done...local officals usually put on pressure like.."if such and such problems and services are not provided or taken care of in X numbers of days...your francise in this area is null and void and we will open the doors to a new company to take over"etc etc etc. Last but not least..if you do not have successful results going the local route...perhaps a heads up at the FCC will shake things up a bit. Good luck! Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From kfornal@loa.com Wed Jul 17 22:30:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kfornal@loa.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Jul 2002 05:30:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 77578 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2002 05:30:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2002 05:30:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao04.cox.net) (68.1.17.241) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2002 05:30:53 -0000 Received: from OMNIBOOK ([68.9.127.164]) by lakemtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020718053052.IYVD4949.lakemtao04.cox.net@OMNIBOOK> for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 01:30:52 -0400 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: WILD 1090 Boston Stereo problem Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 01:30:31 -0400 Message-ID: <002501c22e1c$3efaa1d0$0401a8c0@OMNIBOOK> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <20020718045616.72545.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal From: "Keith Fornal" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110312140 X-Yahoo-Profile: theradboy I'm in Providence as well. Isn't it annoying when WPMZ 1110 "forgets" to turn their transmitter off at night? Keith Fornal Treasurer Dutch Island Lighthouse Society www.dutchislandlighthouse.org -----Original Message----- From: JNR [mailto:a1asurfradio@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 12:56 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WILD 1090 Boston Stereo problem I'm in Providence, but I have a local 1110 near me. Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Jul 17 23:06:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Jul 2002 06:06:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 78136 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2002 06:06:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2002 06:06:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14203.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.145) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2002 06:06:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20020718060626.70166.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.190] by web14203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 23:06:26 PDT Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 23:06:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Michigan Stereo Updates; 1 good, 2 bad To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Latest updates to Michiguide.com: Noted that WKNX-AM 1250 Bay City IS broadcasting in AM stereo. Noted that WCCW-AM 1310 Traverse City and WMHG-AM 1600 Muskegon are no longer broadcasting in AM stereo. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Jul 17 23:08:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Jul 2002 06:08:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 17145 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2002 06:08:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2002 06:08:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14205.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.151) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2002 06:08:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20020718060843.77462.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.190] by web14205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 23:08:43 PDT Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 23:08:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: check out the FCC 99-325 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Spent almost 2 hours reading the FCC 99-325 comments about IBOC-BS. The 44-page diatribe from Virginia makes for some real interesting reading - wonder if the FCC gives 2 sh**s about what anybody thinks though...we can always hope! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From n0uiheric@aol.com Thu Jul 18 00:01:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Jul 2002 07:01:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 47587 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2002 07:01:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2002 07:01:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r10.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.106) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2002 07:01:47 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.1a4.5447c73 (4380) for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 03:01:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1a4.5447c73.2a67c1d6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 03:01:42 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM antennas To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih I have a 1970s-vintage Space Magnet 2 (made by Worcester Electronics) ferrite core loop hooked to my TM-152. The only problem I have is with the portion between 850 and 890 kHz; there's a fluttery sound on the frequency. Otherwise, I use it to hear low-power locals KSTL 690 and KXEN 1010 broadcasting in Stereo. I've even seen the Stereo lit on WPHT 1210's signal at times. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From n0uiheric@aol.com Thu Jul 18 00:01:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Jul 2002 07:01:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 70982 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2002 07:01:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2002 07:01:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r09.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.105) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2002 07:01:47 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.23.21534788 (4380) for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 03:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <23.21534788.2a67c1d4@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 03:01:40 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} check out the FCC 99-325 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Johnny, that 44-page "diatribe" from Virginia most likely came from the Virginia Center for The Public Press. They're VERY anti-IBOC; and for increased LPFM service. They have three PSAs on the Web site; perfect for your AM Stereo station. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From hngbtmtx@aol.com Thu Jul 18 01:16:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: hngbtmtx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Jul 2002 08:16:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 53480 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2002 08:16:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2002 08:16:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2002 08:16:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2002 08:16:13 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 08:16:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: eBay "amstereo"? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 93 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "leanhungtx" X-Originating-IP: 64.157.119.152 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=72750482 X-Yahoo-Profile: leanhungtx Another unit, says new in box http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1367341708 From philipr@irac.pe.ca Thu Jul 18 04:43:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Jul 2002 11:43:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 11502 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2002 11:43:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2002 11:43:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2002 11:43:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2002 11:43:22 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 11:43:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: eBay "amstereo"? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 267 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Yet more proof that there is a demand for AM Stereo radios - 14 bids and $43.00 US and counting! Phil --- In amstereoforum@y..., "leanhungtx" wrote: > Another unit, says new in box > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1367341708 From fanfare@globility.com Thu Jul 18 05:59:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Jul 2002 12:59:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 802 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2002 12:59:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2002 12:59:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2002 12:59:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2002 12:59:44 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 12:59:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: check out the FCC 99-325 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020718060843.77462.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 958 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amfmguy" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.233.13 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy Just so you all know, we support John's stance on AM and will be appending his submission to docket 99-325 with our own reply. While it will be up there sometime today, best look tomorrow when it will be there for sure. In you're thinking of how the AMS system can be revitalized, begin thinking "Omega". It's the only system that truly addresses the public need for high quality, DX level, AM and AMS. It is also the only system that offers AMS as an integral part of its being. M. --- In amstereoforum@y..., Johnny Electron wrote: > Spent almost 2 hours reading the FCC 99-325 comments about IBOC- BS. > The 44-page diatribe from Virginia makes for some real interesting reading - > wonder if the FCC gives 2 sh**s about what anybody thinks though...we can > always hope! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > http://autos.yahoo.com From philipr@irac.pe.ca Thu Jul 18 06:44:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Jul 2002 13:44:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 77795 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2002 13:44:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2002 13:44:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2002 13:44:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2002 13:44:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 13:44:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Omega? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 699 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Forgive my ignorance, and yes this sounds a bit like jeopardy, but... what is Omega? Is this some new type of DSP on the receiver end, to improve s/n, reduce interference etc.? The last word in Hi- Fi AM Stereo? To my way of thinking, digital technology could be better used on the receiver only end to improve AM broadcasting, leaving the transmission analogue. That way, the system is fully compatible with any AM receiver - from crystal radios on, yet offers the possibility of wonderful innovations to improve performance. By the way, the sound on my Alfredo Lite when received by my Heath AJ-11 is simply breathtaking, although I haven't converted the Heath to stereo - YET! Phil From amfmdx@fastq.com Thu Jul 18 07:34:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Jul 2002 14:34:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 80380 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2002 14:34:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2002 14:34:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2002 14:34:54 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d35-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.67]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g6IEYqT95148 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 07:34:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <055a01c22e66$fae8d520$4b92adcf@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: WRITE CCRANE Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 07:25:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla This irrational purchasing of these AM stereo radios is what you all need to write CCrane and tell them that they need to make AM stereos and sell them. Get off your lazy dead asses and write an email to ccraneco@aol.com and tell them about how much the radios cost new and what they are going for on eBay. Unless of course you want to be dumb asses and do nothing when you have the chance to get their attention. I did my part and sent a letter and put a copy on here but not too many of you on the list did. Get your asses in gear and get going. Kevin Mesa, Arizona ----- Original Message ----- From: "tubesareking" To: Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 4:43 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: eBay "amstereo"? > Yet more proof that there is a demand for AM Stereo radios - 14 bids > and $43.00 US and counting! > > Phil > > --- In amstereoforum@y..., "leanhungtx" wrote: > > Another unit, says new in box > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1367341708 > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Jul 18 09:18:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Jul 2002 16:18:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 63846 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2002 16:18:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2002 16:18:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11707.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2002 16:18:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20020718161829.57429.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.32.159] by web11707.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 09:18:29 PDT Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 09:18:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: WILD 1090 Boston Stereo problem To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <002501c22e1c$3efaa1d0$0401a8c0@OMNIBOOK> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio WPMZ is such a joke it's not even funny. I've complained to them before. They are better now than they have been, but sometimes it's still on. Have you ever tuned in WALE/990? Jay P.S.: What I'm hearing in E.P. in stereo: DAY 1350/WINY-Putnam, Ct. Very weak. NIGHT 760/WJR-Detroit 990/WLGZ-Rochester, N.Y. (When WALE is off.) 1520/WWKB-Buffalo 1540/WPTR-Albany 1660/WWRU-Jersey City 1680/WTTM-Princeton, N.J.. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From meridian3891@cs.com Thu Jul 18 09:35:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: meridian3891@cs.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Jul 2002 16:35:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 34573 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2002 16:35:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2002 16:35:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2002 16:35:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2002 16:35:08 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 16:35:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Cable Leak Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001601c22dfc$705e1e20$af78fea9@juan> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1384 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "onemeridian" X-Originating-IP: 205.166.36.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=48487815 X-Yahoo-Profile: onemeridian You could also explain to them the plain & simple fact that cable channels are coming in on your set FOR FREE, & that you do not even have cable........ That will have them out there & correcting the problem before you hang up the phone. Tony --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Juan / John Gualda" wrote: > I watch my network stations from West Palm Beach. It is a good haul from here, about 70+ miles. > > The last couple weeks, the stations from Palm Beach are un- receivable because the AT&T cable...from somewhere south of me, is leaking. > I have called the AT&T office 3 times....twice, they didn't know what a cable leak was...(one time, laughing like I was an idiot)....and it was a matter of trying to explain what was happening. the last time, I explained...."please tell your techs, that there is a leak in the cable to my south...give them my number, and I will even show them the cable channels 2-13 showing up on my TV...as I try to view the week signals from West Palm Beach. > > Nothing corrected as of tonight. I thought this would be a priority, especially with Hams (including myself) possibly contributing to lousy reception on the neighbors cable channels. > > What is next ? The FCC...? I hate to go that route... > > Anybody else have this problem ? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmdx@fastq.com Thu Jul 18 10:26:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Jul 2002 17:26:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 48756 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2002 17:26:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2002 17:26:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2002 17:26:33 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d177-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.209]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g6IHQVT00360 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 10:26:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <059a01c22e7e$c4f458a0$4b92adcf@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: Cable Leak Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 10:15:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Ta-da!! We are starting to get it! When you couch it in MONEY terms, the businesses understand! This is why when I wrote the letter to CCrane it was couched in money terms. That people were paying $350 for AM stereo radios got their attention. If you tell the cable people that you get cable for free over the air because their cable is radiating the signal and all kinds of people don't have to pay them for the cable, they will listen. Boil it all down to money and you will always get attention. Kevin Mesa, Arizona ----- Original Message ----- From: "onemeridian" To: Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 9:35 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT: Cable Leak > You could also explain to them the plain & simple fact that cable > channels are coming in on your set FOR FREE, & that you do not even > have cable........ > > That will have them out there & correcting the problem before you > hang up the phone. From mark_608@hotmail.com Thu Jul 18 10:37:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Jul 2002 17:37:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 63695 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2002 17:37:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2002 17:37:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.126) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2002 17:37:03 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 10:37:03 -0700 Received: from 136.2.1.153 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 17:37:02 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Motorola 13020 Datasheet Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 13:37:02 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2002 17:37:03.0001 (UTC) FILETIME=[BA3CF090:01C22E81] From: "Mark Sundquist" X-Originating-IP: [136.2.1.153] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3850332 X-Yahoo-Profile: mark_608 I know this has probably been asked many times and I have forgotten..is there any place that I can get the datasheet for the Motorola MC13020? I am leaning towards adding a Chris Cuff board to the Marantz SR940 and I would like to see which pins on the Motorola chip do what... Thanks! Mark Sterling Heights,MI _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From narkspud@hotmail.com Thu Jul 18 11:42:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Jul 2002 18:42:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 26374 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2002 18:42:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2002 18:42:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2002 18:42:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2002 18:42:16 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 18:42:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT: Cable Leak Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <059a01c22e7e$c4f458a0$4b92adcf@kredding430cdt> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 647 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud > We are starting to get it! When you couch it in MONEY terms, the businesses > understand! Hallelujah!! Although I had a cable tech hook me up to HBO accidentally once, and I called the cable company to complain coz I didn't want to get charged for it down the road. After spending an inordinate amount of time getting the calling center drone to understand that I was getting HBO without ordering it, he expressed bafflement as to why I would call and tell them that I was getting it for free! They never did unhook it or charge me. Never underestimate the incompetence of government-imposed-monopoly-utility management. narkspud From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu Jul 18 12:48:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Jul 2002 19:48:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 5229 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2002 19:48:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2002 19:48:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2002 19:48:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2002 19:48:16 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 19:48:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Motorola 13020 Datasheet Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 412 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.199 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Mark Sundquist" wrote: > I know this has probably been asked many times and I have forgotten..is > there any place that I can get the datasheet for the Motorola MC13020? I am > leaning towards adding a Chris Cuff board to the Marantz SR940 and I would > like to see which pins on the Motorola chip do what... > > Thanks! I will post it in the files section. JSG From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Thu Jul 18 12:50:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 37246 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2002 19:50:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2002 19:50:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2002 19:50:34 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2002 19:50:33 -0000 Date: 18 Jul 2002 19:50:32 -0000 Message-ID: <1027021832.54089.18039.w17@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /MC13020R.PDF Uploaded by : jsgilst Description : MC13020 Datasheet You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/MC13020R.PDF To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, jsgilst From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Jul 18 14:14:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Jul 2002 21:14:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 93751 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2002 21:14:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2002 21:14:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14205.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.151) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2002 21:14:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20020718211408.72492.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.190] by web14205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 14:14:08 PDT Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 14:14:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Speak NOW, or forever hold your peace! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio IF the gate is still open, get your reply to comments into the FCC IMMEDIATELY on docket 99-325. Read what the tur*s at iBiquity wrote and then get fired-up - I am! They say that the "industry overwhelming supports IBOC-AM" BUT say nothing about the general public having the slightest bit of support for it. I say its time for the FCC to put, or shut-up ; who do they support: money or the public - I hope I'm wrong on that one. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From groucho@skyweb.net Thu Jul 18 15:23:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Jul 2002 22:22:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 95004 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2002 22:22:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2002 22:22:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2002 22:23:01 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (tc1-57.skyweb.net [66.6.130.185]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6IMS3GA088070 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 18:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D373EE5.B4EDE660@skyweb.net> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 18:19:17 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Subject: RE: WICC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 WOW today I was shocked to actually receive WICC Bridgeport 600kc in Full Stereo..... Only one word do describe it KEWL.........isnt that also a radio station LOL...... From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jul 18 16:45:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Jul 2002 23:45:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 29662 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2002 23:45:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2002 23:45:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2002 23:45:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2002 23:45:02 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 23:44:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Omega? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1069 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.15 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Forgive my ignorance, and yes this sounds a bit like jeopardy, > but... what is Omega? The only Omega relating to radio that I've heard of was this (here's a blurb from a web site): Omega A long-distance navigational services formerly maintained by the U.S. Coast Guard, in cooperation with several countries around the globe. The Omega system operated at several VLF frequencies, roughly 10 - 15 kHz, with multi-megawatt transmitters in six nations. The signals could actually be received by connecting a suitable antenna wire to the input of a sensitive audio amplifier, and sounded like high- pitched audio tones lasting about a second, then changing pitch. The system was used for navigation by transoceanic aircraft, and for timing of meteorological phenomena. Although global in coverage, Omega was rendered obsolete by the more precise GPS, and was shut down at the end of September, 1997. A somewhat similar Russian system, ALPHA, still operates, and can be heard as sequences of long dashes on different frequencies in the 10-14 kHz range. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jul 18 16:54:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Jul 2002 23:54:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 98860 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2002 23:54:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2002 23:54:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2002 23:54:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2002 23:54:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 23:54:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WICC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D373EE5.B4EDE660@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1064 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.15 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > WOW today I was shocked to actually receive WICC Bridgeport 600kc > in Full Stereo..... Only one word do describe it KEWL......... > isnt that also a radio station LOL...... WICC's transmitter is on an island right on the shore, so their 1000 watt signal carries for hundreds of miles along the coast during the day. All along the Jersey shore they come in like a local station, but as soon as you go a few miles inland, they fade out. A similar situation is with 1100 WHLI, although they are mono... not only do they get great ratings in their local area of Long Island, but their signal comes in well enough in Monmouth & Ocean Counties in NJ to give them consistent Arbitron ratings there. WICC is full Stereo, and sounds fantastic when playing music, which they still do a little bit during the weekday morning show, despite their new emphasis towards a "News/Talk" format. They also have a wide variety of music on weekends, including a Polka show. And yes, "Kool 95.1" KEWL is an Oldies station in New Boston, Texas (near Texarkana). From shelswartz@yahoo.com Thu Jul 18 18:03:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: shelswartz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Jul 2002 01:03:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 63290 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2002 01:03:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2002 01:03:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14902.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.225.54) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2002 01:03:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20020719010339.51126.qmail@web14902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.86.172.166] by web14902.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 18:03:39 PDT Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 18:03:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WICC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Shel Swartz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91652391 X-Yahoo-Profile: shelswartz http://www.wicc600.com/ WICC has a great histoical section here. (shel) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Jul 18 18:40:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Jul 2002 01:40:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 22085 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2002 01:40:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2002 01:40:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2002 01:40:35 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-250.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.250]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g6J1bWiu025198 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 20:37:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <006401c22ec5$fbd3ec40$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020718211408.72492.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Speak NOW, or forever hold your peace! Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 20:45:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Gave them my $.02 by telling them it's the corporate suits that want it, not the rank and file engineers who know better. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnny Electron" > IF the gate is still open, get your reply to comments into the FCC IMMEDIATELY > on docket 99-325. From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Jul 18 18:48:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Jul 2002 01:48:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 63654 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2002 01:48:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2002 01:48:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2002 01:48:44 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-250.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.250]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g6J1jfiu026840 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 20:45:43 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <007501c22ec7$1f8e8a40$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <055a01c22e66$fae8d520$4b92adcf@kredding430cdt> Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRITE CCRANE Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 20:53:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Even though I wrote them back then, I didn't mention the ebay phenomenon, so I wrote again and added those comments. We need to have an AMS write-in campaign. It can't be just the same handful writing over and over. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" To: > Get off your lazy dead asses and write an email to ccraneco@aol.com and tell > them about how much the radios cost new and what they are going for on eBay. > From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Thu Jul 18 19:01:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Jul 2002 02:01:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 91453 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2002 02:01:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2002 02:01:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf02bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.42) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2002 02:01:17 -0000 Received: from juan ([67.35.10.205]) by imf02bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020719020248.VQDF1185.imf02bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 22:02:48 -0400 Message-ID: <001801c22ec8$2b22c0f0$af78fea9@juan> To: References: <20020718211408.72492.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> <006401c22ec5$fbd3ec40$d3a9fea9@me> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Speak NOW, or forever hold your peace! Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 22:01:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Navigating thru the FCC website is murder....Is there a URL (someone can provide) that we can go to give some comments ? Juan ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 9:45 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Speak NOW, or forever hold your peace! Gave them my $.02 by telling them it's the corporate suits that want it, not the rank and file engineers who know better. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Thu Jul 18 19:13:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Jul 2002 02:13:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 84715 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2002 02:13:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2002 02:13:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2002 02:13:33 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 1.27.2a9baadb (4328) for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 22:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <27.2a9baadb.2a68cfc9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 22:13:29 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Speak NOW, or forever hold your peace! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 7/18/02 9:41:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, stodd@sherbtel.net writes: << Gave them my $.02 by telling them it's the corporate suits that want it, not the rank and file engineers who know better. ST >> What would be the URL to use to get to the comments section? Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Thu Jul 18 19:16:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Jul 2002 02:16:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 92124 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2002 02:16:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2002 02:16:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf02bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.22) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2002 02:16:25 -0000 Received: from juan ([67.35.10.205]) by imf02bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020719021756.WBIR1185.imf02bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 22:17:56 -0400 Message-ID: <002401c22eca$486204d0$af78fea9@juan> To: Subject: WTTB Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 22:16:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The latest on the WTTB Adventure in Stereo. But I am kind of discouraged We need to get the STL installed, and then we have to find a processor, unless we use the FM one we have as a backup......and install the 10k filter. The Pilot is still on......our engineer wants to leave it on till we finish, but I told him I would volunteer to turn it off at the next visit to the transmitter...he is really busy, and to be honest the AM Stereo project is a low priority. Our GM is all for it....but unless he gets feedback from the audience...or advertisers....he will guide the engineer to finish other projects, and the AM Stereo on WTTB will be on the bottom of the list. WTTB's format is News Talk during the weekdays, and Music during the weekends. All our Promos and Spots are Stereo, as is the music on the weekends.....the weekday programming is Mono, off the Bird. We have busted our butts off to make the mono audio sound clean, I think the Stereo audio will kick A** too.... I am really bummed out, but will keep trying, with what little time I have.... Juan WTTB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mwradiodx@gmx.net Thu Jul 18 19:51:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mwradiodx@gmx.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Jul 2002 02:51:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 83251 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2002 02:51:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2002 02:51:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.dnbsi.com) (207.229.108.169) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2002 02:51:24 -0000 Received: from f5p8c1 (0-1pool158-21.nas1.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net [65.128.158.21]) by smtp.dnbsi.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 89779CE20 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 19:51:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002201c22ecf$5a0b6780$159e8041@f5p8c1> To: References: <055a01c22e66$fae8d520$4b92adcf@kredding430cdt> <007501c22ec7$1f8e8a40$d3a9fea9@me> Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRITE CCRANE Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 22:51:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Joe Esposito" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public I just recently bought (and returned) their new digital FM Transmitter. Neat little design, but it couldn't transmit more than 10 feet! They have a good return policy and also sent a letter of apology that included a one dollar bill. They do try to go out of there way to keep every customer happy. The quiet ones like me in this group also need to send CCrane a letter. It may be a good idea to Cc the Lead Engineer Chris Justice in any e-mail sent to CCrane. Even if we were successful in convincing CCrane in exploring the possibility of selling an AM Stereo Radio, they still would have to get Sangean to agree on the project....... Adding AM Stereo to the CCradio would make me buy one! Joe Esposito ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" To: Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 9:53 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRITE CCRANE > Even though I wrote them back then, I didn't mention the ebay phenomenon, so > I wrote again and added those comments. We need to have an AMS write-in > campaign. It can't be just the same handful writing over and over. > > ST From KC4QLP@aol.com Thu Jul 18 19:54:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Jul 2002 02:54:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 88729 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2002 02:54:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2002 02:54:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2002 02:54:26 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id a.33.2a2c9d75 (4328) for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 22:54:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33.2a2c9d75.2a68d95e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 22:54:22 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTB To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 7/18/02 10:17:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gualdaj@bellsouth.net writes: << The latest on the WTTB Adventure in Stereo. But I am kind of discouraged We need to get the STL installed, and then we have to find a processor, unless we use the FM one we have as a backup......and install the 10k filter. >> What is the situation with the STL? As far as using an FM processor...I've never used one on AM nor ever heard of anyone using one on AM.....My best bet is that it probably will work....you'll just have to watch your pre-emphis....seeing that it is set up for FM and not AM .The 10k filter I'd say is a good move. Let us know how it works out. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jul 18 20:01:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Jul 2002 03:01:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 99351 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2002 03:01:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2002 03:01:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2002 03:01:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2002 03:01:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 03:01:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Speak NOW, or forever hold your peace! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <27.2a9baadb.2a68cfc9@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 189 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.15 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > What would be the URL to use to get to the comments section? Here's my quick link to view the comments that have already been submitted: http://rvcc2.raritanval.edu/ktek9053/iboc.htm From groucho@skyweb.net Thu Jul 18 21:04:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Jul 2002 04:04:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 79469 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2002 04:04:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2002 04:04:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2002 04:04:17 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (tc1-57.skyweb.net [66.6.130.185]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6J48uGA027655 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 00:09:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D378EBC.E2966A09@skyweb.net> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 23:59:56 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WICC References: From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know where WICC is located.. about 1 mile From My recording studio where they can be heard on Many gold and platinum records out there.. if you listen hard enough..( kind of wish they were not in Bridgeport hi hi) and Jamesburg is about 40 Mins From the Jersey shore.... KEWL anyway... Neal kevtronics wrote: > > WOW today I was shocked to actually receive WICC Bridgeport 600kc > > in Full Stereo..... Only one word do describe it KEWL......... > > isnt that also a radio station LOL...... > > WICC's transmitter is on an island right on the shore, so their 1000 > watt signal carries for hundreds of miles along the coast during the > day. All along the Jersey shore they come in like a local station, > but as soon as you go a few miles inland, they fade out. > > A similar situation is with 1100 WHLI, although they are mono... not > only do they get great ratings in their local area of Long Island, > but their signal comes in well enough in Monmouth & Ocean Counties in > NJ to give them consistent Arbitron ratings there. > > WICC is full Stereo, and sounds fantastic when playing music, which > they still do a little bit during the weekday morning show, despite > their new emphasis towards a "News/Talk" format. They also have a > wide variety of music on weekends, including a Polka show. > > And yes, "Kool 95.1" KEWL is an Oldies station in New Boston, Texas > (near Texarkana). > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Jul 19 00:02:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Jul 2002 07:02:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 66487 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2002 07:02:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2002 07:02:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2002 07:02:24 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.42]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 03:00:53 -0400 Message-ID: <002401c22ef2$4493dea0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WICC Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 03:02:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Erk? A "few" miles?? I receive them clear as a bell in Middletown NY, and at home with a proper antenna as well- And that is 100 miles from their transmitter.... the biggest problem is damn dimmer switches! a cruel device that affects most signals below 1000 Khz.. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics > WICC's transmitter is on an island right on the shore, so their 1000 > watt signal carries for hundreds of miles along the coast during the > day. All along the Jersey shore they come in like a local station, > but as soon as you go a few miles inland, they fade out. From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Jul 19 00:43:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Jul 2002 07:43:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 10001 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2002 07:43:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2002 07:43:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2002 07:43:09 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.42]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 03:41:37 -0400 Message-ID: <005501c22ef7$f5b86f20$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <27.2a9baadb.2a68cfc9@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Speak NOW, or forever hold your peace! Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 03:43:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I also got lost in their maze. It seems they are TRYING to hide this case! I tried every search trick I could think of- it is as if it never existed. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: To: > What would be the URL to use to get to the comments section? > > Bob Carter > Operations/Engineering > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Jul 19 04:38:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Jul 2002 11:38:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 43968 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2002 11:38:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2002 11:38:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14205.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.151) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2002 11:38:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20020719113821.98524.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.190] by web14205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 04:38:21 PDT Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 04:38:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WOR audio will soon sound like... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio RADIO World Date posted: 2002-07-15 Ibiquity to Test AM on WOR Buckley Broadcasting's WOR will be a test station for IBOC Digital AM radio. Buckley says WOR will be the first AM station in New York City to broadcast a digital signal with tests to begin sometime in August. The average listener will not notice any difference in WOR's signal, according to the station. Ibiquity needs to do additional tests for AM IBOC at night for both groundwave and skywave conditions. The NRSC has recommended FM IBOC for day and night use, but has only endorsed AM for daytime use so far. WOR employs a directional transmitting antenna and is in the test protocol to help answer questions as to how AM IBOC will perform with skywave interference. WOR was also chosen as a test station to help answer questions about how the digital portion of an AM signal will react in the "concrete canyons" of New York City (and other major cities, as well). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From jwelton@nautel.com Fri Jul 19 05:18:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Jul 2002 12:18:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 52327 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2002 12:18:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2002 12:18:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserver.nautel.com) (24.222.4.134) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2002 12:18:04 -0000 Received: FROM jeff-welton BY mailserver.nautel.com ; Fri Jul 19 09:19:24 2002 -0300 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 09:17:15 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Speak NOW, or forever hold your peace! Message-ID: <3D37D91E.7582.410DB7@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <001801c22ec8$2b22c0f0$af78fea9@juan> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body From: "Jeff Welton" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 > Navigating thru the FCC website is murder....Is there a URL (someone can > provide) that we can go to give some comments ? http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/comsrch_v2.cgi Enter 99-325 under "Proceeding" Regards, Jeff Welton Nautel Customer Service Dept. Tel.: 1-902-823-3900 ext. 127 Fax: 1-902-823-3183 email: jwelton@nautel.com From mark_608@hotmail.com Fri Jul 19 06:54:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Jul 2002 13:54:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 54554 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2002 13:39:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2002 13:39:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.44) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2002 13:39:13 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 06:39:13 -0700 Received: from 136.2.1.153 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 13:39:13 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Motorola 13020 Datasheet Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 09:39:13 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2002 13:39:13.0734 (UTC) FILETIME=[AB815660:01C22F29] From: "Mark Sundquist" X-Originating-IP: [136.2.1.153] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3850332 X-Yahoo-Profile: mark_608 Thank you...you're awesome! :) Mark >From: "jsgilst" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Re: Motorola 13020 Datasheet >Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 19:48:15 -0000 > >--- In amstereoforum@y..., "Mark Sundquist" wrote: > > I know this has probably been asked many times and I have >forgotten..is > > there any place that I can get the datasheet for the Motorola >MC13020? I am > > leaning towards adding a Chris Cuff board to the Marantz SR940 and I >would > > like to see which pins on the Motorola chip do what... > > > > Thanks! > >I will post it in the files section. > >JSG > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jul 19 07:13:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Jul 2002 14:13:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 17590 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2002 14:13:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2002 14:13:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2002 14:13:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2002 14:13:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 14:13:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WOR audio will soon sound like... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020719113821.98524.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 534 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > The average listener will not notice any difference in WOR's > signal, according to the station. Heh... that's because 710 WOR's average listener is like 80 years old, and won't notice the 4.5 kHz audio cut-off. It is sad, actually... WOR used to be the top News/Talk station in New York, but they got rid of their good hosts and the programming has gotten very stale and boring -- which is reflected in their low ratings. Paul Harvey's "The Rest of the Story" is about the most exciting thing you hear on WOR these days. From mychucky@funport.net Fri Jul 19 08:48:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mychucky@funport.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Jul 2002 15:48:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 27657 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2002 15:48:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2002 15:48:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.funport.com) (216.199.19.6) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2002 15:48:07 -0000 Received: from FatMusic2000 ([]) by mail.funport.com (Merak 5.0.1) with SMTP id JFB36580 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 11:45:20 -0400 Message-ID: <025b01c22f3b$f79f1890$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> To: References: <27.2a9baadb.2a68cfc9@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Speak NOW, or forever hold your peace! Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 11:50:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85836819 X-Yahoo-Profile: mychucky1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 07-15-2002 IBIQUITY TO TEST AM ON WOR Buckley Broadcasting's WOR will be a test station for IBOC Digital AM radio. http://www.rwonline.com/dailynews/one.php?id=1742 Gentleman here it is for your listening displeasure [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From narkspud@hotmail.com Fri Jul 19 09:12:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Jul 2002 16:12:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 92541 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2002 16:12:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2002 16:12:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2002 16:12:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2002 16:12:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 16:12:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Speak NOW, or forever hold your peace! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <025b01c22f3b$f79f1890$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1016 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud > Gentleman here it is for your listening displeasure "WOR. No sir, I don't think we sound like cr*p. It's just your imagination. Please hold. . . WOR. Yes, maam, you say you hear a big difference? You must not be an average listener. Please hold. . . WOR. No sir, our transmitter is fine. No sir, we are not a bunch of money-grubbing tin-eared corporate pinhead morons. Uhh. . .I believe that would be physically impossible, sir. Same to you, sir. Please hold. . . WOR. That's too bad, maam. . .did you try turning up the treble? It's all the way up? Well, maybe Paul Harvey IS talking through a pillow this morning. I'll go check. Please hold. . . WOR. Yes, sir, we do pride ourselves on our sound quality. Well, try it on a cheaper radio, then maybe all the other stations *would* sound like we do. Please hold. . . WOR. Why yes, Mr. FCC Commissioner, the IBOC tests are going swell. Not one single complaint so far. Gotta go. All my lines are lit up. Please hold. . ." From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Jul 19 12:57:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Jul 2002 19:57:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 47861 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2002 19:57:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2002 19:57:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11701.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2002 19:57:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20020719195706.69618.qmail@web11701.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.32.159] by web11701.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 12:57:06 PDT Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 12:57:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WICC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <002401c22ef2$4493dea0$0101a8c0@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I guess everyone's seen the ratings for WICC. They dropped from 1st to 3rd. WICC Full Service Aurora 10.7 12.6 9.3 The third # is their most recent ratings. I got it at www.rronline.com. Look up the Bridgeport market. Wow, I guess talk sucks. Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From KC4QLP@aol.com Fri Jul 19 13:36:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Jul 2002 20:36:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 43797 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2002 20:36:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2002 20:36:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r09.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.105) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2002 20:36:48 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.1a4.55f2601 (16781) for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 16:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1a4.55f2601.2a69d252@aol.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 16:36:34 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Speak NOW, or forever hold your peace! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 7/19/02 3:44:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ccuff@in4web.com writes: << I also got lost in their maze. It seems they are TRYING to hide this case! I tried every search trick I could think of- it is as if it never existed. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: To: > What would be the URL to use to get to the comments section? >> Well I didnt get in with time enough to make any final comments to the FCC in the matter of IBOC.Things come up. By looking at some of the comments...strangely enough...not many final comments were made. Wonderful comments made by those on here that made it in time! One thing is for sure..you can tell who has the money tied up in the digital box of ones and zeros....all of the comments were dry,hard to beleive and very much scripted.Who ever made up those proIBOC comments needs to go work for Hollywood! Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms." Your message (if actually mailed) is in violation of the Federal Telephone Consumer Protection Act of 1991, and Collateral Code of Federal Regulations (47 CFR 64.1200). The TCPA allows a private right of action against the sender of unsolicited advertising. The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From KC4QLP@aol.com Fri Jul 19 13:39:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Jul 2002 20:39:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 71702 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2002 20:39:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2002 20:39:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d07.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.39) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2002 20:39:51 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 5.92.290a7757 (16781) for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 16:39:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <92.290a7757.2a69d314@aol.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 16:39:48 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR audio will soon sound like... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 7/19/02 10:14:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kevtronics@yahoo.com writes: << > The average listener will not notice any difference in WOR's > signal, according to the station. >> Time to break-out the recorders and prove them wrong! Way down here in Eastern NC..WOR is a regular here 24 hours a day...and I'll certainly tune in and check for new interference and certainly,a different sounding WOR. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms." Your message (if actually mailed) is in violation of the Federal Telephone Consumer Protection Act of 1991, and Collateral Code of Federal Regulations (47 CFR 64.1200). The TCPA allows a private right of action against the sender of unsolicited advertising. The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From KC4QLP@aol.com Fri Jul 19 13:48:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Jul 2002 20:48:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 65386 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2002 20:48:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2002 20:48:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r06.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.102) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2002 20:48:04 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.185.b463a26 (16781) for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 16:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <185.b463a26.2a69d501@aol.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 16:48:01 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Speak NOW, or forever hold your peace! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 7/19/02 12:13:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, narkspud@hotmail.com writes: << > Gentleman here it is for your listening displeasure "WOR. No sir, I don't think we sound like cr*p. It's just your imagination. Please hold. . . WOR. Yes, maam, you say you hear a big difference? You must not be an average listener. Please hold. . . WOR. No sir, our transmitter is fine. No sir, we are not a bunch of money-grubbing tin-eared corporate pinhead morons. Uhh. . .I believe that would be physically impossible, sir. Same to you, sir. Please hold. . . WOR. That's too bad, maam. . .did you try turning up the treble? It's all the way up? Well, maybe Paul Harvey IS talking through a pillow this morning. I'll go check. Please hold. . . WOR. Yes, sir, we do pride ourselves on our sound quality. Well, try it on a cheaper radio, then maybe all the other stations *would* sound like we do. Please hold. . . WOR. Why yes, Mr. FCC Commissioner, the IBOC tests are going swell. Not one single complaint so far. Gotta go. All my lines are lit up. Please hold. . ." >> LMAO Bob takes what everyone would beleive was a vacation with intent to take a temporary Engineering job at WOR.[snicker] Once inside a god awful..most terrible thing would happen to the IBOC exciter due to those nasty power surges that NYC can often have.[snicker] Bob returns WOR to AM Stereo operation...even if it is pilot only and installs new unheard of invention in the building that would "zap" any IBOC gear....dang power surges![snicker] Bob resigns from job at WOR and returns to NC...business as usual.[grin] Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms." Your message (if actually mailed) is in violation of the Federal Telephone Consumer Protection Act of 1991, and Collateral Code of Federal Regulations (47 CFR 64.1200). The TCPA allows a private right of action against the sender of unsolicited advertising. The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jul 19 15:43:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Jul 2002 22:43:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 41112 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2002 22:43:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2002 22:43:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2002 22:43:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2002 22:43:14 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 22:43:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: One way to hear good audio on FM... Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 898 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.47 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Severe thunderstorms have been passing through here in New Jersey, causing one station (94.3 WJLK-FM) to be temporarily knocked off the air. Now they are back on, but the audio processing is virtually non-existant... I suppose their Optimod got zapped by lightning, and now they are using some simple back-up unit, or nothing at all. The dynamic range is incredible! It is now almost like a good AM station -- music actually has soft and *LOUD* parts, not just all compressed and limited into submission! p.s. I hear Sirius is using Optimods on all of their channels... so don't expect any kind of "CD quality" dynamic range from them. (Not that there is anything inherently bad in the design of Optimod audio processors -- they are just almost universally used with the only purpose to achieve maximum LOUDNESS at the expense of fidelity, Stereo separation, and dynamic range.) From philipr@irac.pe.ca Fri Jul 19 17:18:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 20 Jul 2002 00:18:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 19171 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2002 00:18:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2002 00:18:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2002 00:18:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2002 00:18:50 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 00:18:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Speak NOW, or forever hold your peace! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <185.b463a26.2a69d501@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4102 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.166.158.71 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Bob - You are indeed the Chief Engineer of humor! Narkspud's pretty funny too! Seems that long term exposure to CQUAM makes one rather witty! 'course, we could always spread the rumour that listening to AM Stereo bumps the IQ up a few notchs - same goes for transmitting. Come to think of it, I heard a rumour that listening to IBOC may promote insomnia... Phil --- In amstereoforum@y..., KC4QLP@a... wrote: > In a message dated 7/19/02 12:13:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > narkspud@h... writes: > > << > Gentleman here it is for your listening displeasure > > "WOR. No sir, I don't think we sound like cr*p. It's just your > imagination. Please hold. . . > > WOR. Yes, maam, you say you hear a big difference? You must > not be an average listener. Please hold. . . > > WOR. No sir, our transmitter is fine. No sir, we are not a bunch > of money-grubbing tin-eared corporate pinhead morons. Uhh. . > .I believe that would be physically impossible, sir. Same to you, > sir. Please hold. . . > > WOR. That's too bad, maam. . .did you try turning up the treble? > It's all the way up? Well, maybe Paul Harvey IS talking through a > pillow this morning. I'll go check. Please hold. . . > > WOR. Yes, sir, we do pride ourselves on our sound quality. > Well, try it on a cheaper radio, then maybe all the other stations > *would* sound like we do. Please hold. . . > > WOR. Why yes, Mr. FCC Commissioner, the IBOC tests are > going swell. Not one single complaint so far. Gotta go. All my > lines are lit up. Please hold. . ." > >> > LMAO > Bob takes what everyone would beleive was a vacation with intent to take a > temporary Engineering job at WOR.[snicker] > Once inside a god awful..most terrible thing would happen to the IBOC exciter > due to those nasty power surges that NYC can often have.[snicker] > Bob returns WOR to AM Stereo operation...even if it is pilot only and > installs new unheard of invention in the building that would "zap" any IBOC > gear....dang power surges![snicker] > Bob resigns from job at WOR and returns to NC...business as usual. [grin] > > Bob Carter > Operations/Engineering > > WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 > Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio > Network > > Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering > services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. > e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@y... > http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice > Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC > WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC > WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC > > AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- > amstereoradio- subcribe@t... > > amstereo-subcribe@t... > amstereoradio-subscribe@y... > > NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS > > KC4QLP Amateur Radio > Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va > www.kc4qlp.cjb.net > > voice contact-252-335-0856 > fax 1-209-254-8978 > _______________________________________________________ > > WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter > 5, Subchapter II, > "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a > download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of > these terms." > Your message (if actually mailed) is in violation of the Federal Telephone > Consumer Protection Act of 1991, and Collateral Code of Federal Regulations > (47 CFR 64.1200). The TCPA allows a private right of action against the > sender of unsolicited advertising. The recipient can sue for $500, or > actualdamages (whichever is greater). > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- > > ------------------- From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Fri Jul 19 18:23:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 20 Jul 2002 01:23:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 56708 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2002 01:23:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2002 01:23:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf22bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2002 01:23:04 -0000 Received: from juan ([67.34.233.244]) by imf22bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020720012303.KWDJ19755.imf22bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 21:23:03 -0400 Message-ID: <000901c22f8b$ff3b6f40$af78fea9@juan> To: Subject: Alfredo Lite and the Carver Tx-11a Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 21:23:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A big thanks to Chris on the ALfredo Lite. What a great toy ! I almost sold my Carver Tx-11a and thank god I didn't ! This receiver really shows how good that little transmitter sounds....a very good compliment for each other. I have been making some airchecks, is there any interest for uplading one of these files ? One odd thing though, the Alfredo Lite doesn't trip the UX-1 in the Buick to Stereo Mode. I even placed it close to the antenna, but no luck, any ideas ? Juan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Jul 19 19:13:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 20 Jul 2002 02:13:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 97513 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2002 02:13:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2002 02:13:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2002 02:13:14 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-216.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.216]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g6K2AAiu020549 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 21:10:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <005f01c22f93$b82ab5e0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <92.290a7757.2a69d314@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WOR audio will soon sound like... Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 21:18:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude The instant they turn that on, please call them and ask what in tarnation happend to their audio? ST ----- Original Message ----- > Time to break-out the recorders and prove them wrong! Way down here in > Eastern NC..WOR is a regular here 24 hours a day...and I'll certainly tune in > and check for new interference and certainly,a different sounding WOR. From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Jul 19 19:15:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 20 Jul 2002 02:15:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 24547 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2002 02:15:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2002 02:15:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2002 02:15:32 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-216.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.216]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g6K2CSiu020870 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 21:12:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <006b01c22f94$0a8a5b60$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Speak NOW, or forever hold your peace! Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 21:20:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I thought it was nausea... ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "tubesareking" > Come to think of it, I heard a rumour that listening to IBOC may > promote insomnia... > From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Jul 19 19:21:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 20 Jul 2002 02:21:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 53279 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2002 02:21:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2002 02:21:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2002 02:21:13 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-216.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.216]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g6K2I8iu021686 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 21:18:09 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <007d01c22f94$d559e9a0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020718211408.72492.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> <006401c22ec5$fbd3ec40$d3a9fea9@me> <001801c22ec8$2b22c0f0$af78fea9@juan> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Speak NOW, or forever hold your peace! Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 21:26:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I muddled around for 15-20 minutes before I got to where I wanted to be. Had to find the comments of the iBiquity gangsters first, then spent another almost 10 minutes to find the reply comments section. Guess it's over, otherwise I'd try to retrace my steps. You're absolutely right about their need for a competent web page designer. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Juan / John Gualda" > Navigating thru the FCC website is murder....Is there a URL (someone can provide) that we can go to give some comments ? From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Jul 19 19:26:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 20 Jul 2002 02:26:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 1774 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2002 02:26:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2002 02:26:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2002 02:26:02 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-216.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.216]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g6K2Mviu022404 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 21:22:58 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <008901c22f95$81afa640$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <002401c22eca$486204d0$af78fea9@juan> Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTB Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 21:31:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Don't be. That FM processor will do nicely. I heard WLW is using an Omnia FM-6 (not a typo) in their air chain. Even if you don't do matrix type limiting, it should still work and sound OK. So what else needs to be done to finish the STL? ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Juan / John Gualda" > The latest on the WTTB Adventure in Stereo. But I am kind of discouraged > > We need to get the STL installed, and then we have to find a processor, unless we use the FM one we have as a backup......and install the 10k filter. > From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Fri Jul 19 21:21:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 20 Jul 2002 04:21:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 46148 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2002 04:21:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2002 04:21:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf12bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.32) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2002 04:21:31 -0000 Received: from juan ([67.34.233.244]) by imf12bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020720042238.UDGA14378.imf12bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 00:22:38 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01c22fa4$de0d22a0$af78fea9@juan> To: References: <002401c22eca$486204d0$af78fea9@juan> <008901c22f95$81afa640$d3a9fea9@me> Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTB Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 23:50:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't be. That FM processor will do nicely. I heard WLW is using an Omnia FM-6 (not a typo) in their air chain. Even if you don't do matrix type limiting, it should still work and sound OK. So what else needs to be done to finish the STL? ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Juan / John Gualda" > The latest on the WTTB Adventure in Stereo. But I am kind of discouraged > > We need to get the STL installed, and then we have to find a processor, unless we use the FM one we have as a backup......and install the 10k filter. Well...The STL we are planning on using for WTTB is being used by one of our FM Stations. We had a Dolby STL we used to use for 2 of our FM's, that was literally smoking when the engineer and I rushed out to the transmitter site. As we stepped inside, it had that "I am toast, you are f***** smell. I believe the Dolby STL is bye bye bye (as 'NSYNC would say). To be honest, at one time that Dolby was a cool unit, Digitizing TWO stereo signals, so you didn't have to use 2 STL's.....but the output power was too low, and we suffered Interference from Miami, especially during the spring, when a station down south would interfere with our signal. Mind you that was signal was over 100 miles away. As soon as our new STL's arrive, we can move the Stereo STL we are now using to WTTB, but again, it is a low priority. The process is SLOOOOOOOOOW. I had a chance to go to Central Florida today. I noticed NO change in WTTB's coverage. And I was being honest with myself...playing Devil's advocate......I think the BS spewed by the offenders who turn off the pilot, or remove stereo, are mis-informed. Sad but true. I picked up WTTB WITH the Stereo light on, for a good hours drive, into the town of Okeechobee. We are now running the BE transmitter, and our engineer is thrilled. It was easy to install, came with Stereo, and actually puts out 1 kw. We (WTTB) purchased new (from someone else), a transmitter, that NEVER put out full power, had nothing but problems, and was so much work for our CE, that even management talked the manufacturer of this POS, to take it back. So, it's a long road...ANY help you guys can give, will be appreciated. My biggest concern, now that Chris has retired..is getting Radios. My plan was to buy some convertable Boom-Boxes, and have them converted to AM Stereo. Is there anyone who can help here ? I really need to produce some radios....and not tell our GM to go to E-bay and try to bid one one. Thanks, and excuse me for ranting. Juan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Fri Jul 19 22:06:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 20 Jul 2002 05:06:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 84508 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2002 05:06:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2002 05:06:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r03.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.99) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2002 05:06:57 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.105.18ee7734 (3967) for ; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 01:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <105.18ee7734.2a6a49ea@aol.com> Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 01:06:50 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTB To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 7/20/02 12:21:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gualdaj@bellsouth.net writes: << My biggest concern, now that Chris has retired..is getting Radios. My plan was to buy some convertable Boom-Boxes, and have them converted to AM Stereo. Is there anyone who can help here ? I really need to produce some radios....and not tell our GM to go to E-bay and try to bid one one. >> How many radios? I'm sure if you/we had some info on the radios to be converted and the decoders...that a few of us could convert them for you. Sounds like a nice group project that we could take on anyways.I have a station right here in stereo..so excellent testing source. Now I'm sitting here at 106 AM EDT....and starring at a rather rough looking thunderstorm...hoping nothing gets hit tonight! {http://www.wgai560am.com/weather.html} Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jul 19 22:16:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 20 Jul 2002 05:16:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 95726 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2002 05:16:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2002 05:16:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2002 05:16:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2002 05:16:58 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 05:16:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: SRF=42 on eBay Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 861 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.47 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics With still 7 days left in the action, there are already 26 bids on this Sony SRF-42 AM Stereo Walkman, with a current bid price of US$59.00.... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1367341708 p.s. Unrelated, there was an off-topic discussion a few weeks back of looong songs... well, I found one candidate: "Love Chronicles" by Al Stewart, on the late '60s album of the same name, probably never released on CD. I have the LP in my hand, and this song is listed as being 17 minutes and 55 seconds long. Even with fine print in columns, the lyrics take up almost the entire disc jacket. Al is best known for "Year Of The Cat", which clocks in at a comparatively tame 6:42, although with a 35-second piano intro heard only in the left channel -- probably the longest instance of single-channel audio in any U.S. Top 10 hit song. From KC4QLP@aol.com Fri Jul 19 22:45:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 20 Jul 2002 05:45:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 12304 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2002 05:45:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2002 05:45:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r02.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.98) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2002 05:45:27 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.8c.1b4ddaab (3967) for ; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 01:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8c.1b4ddaab.2a6a52ee@aol.com> Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 01:45:18 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTB To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 7/20/02 1:07:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, KC4QLP@aol.com writes: << Now I'm sitting here at 106 AM EDT....and starring at a rather rough looking thunderstorm...hoping nothing gets hit tonight! {http://www.wgai560am.com/weather.html} >> WOW! When they tell you about lightning strikes ahead of the storm in Skywarn training class....man do they ever mean it! I've seen my towers get "lit" several times aready.....even a few balls of blue fire jumping around out here in the field around the towers! I saw all of this while checking a few things in the generator room....enough to make your hair stand on end! Thankfully nothing got destroyed and looks like the weather is going to be quiet for the rest of the evening. {Wewl! close call} Now...what about those AM radios that need to be converted to stereo? Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From amfmdx@fastq.com Sat Jul 20 05:53:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 20 Jul 2002 12:53:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 50327 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2002 08:53:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2002 08:53:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2002 08:53:58 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d163-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.195]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g6K8rvT46118 for ; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 01:53:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <008c01c22fca$f8828dc0$aed63fd1@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} SRF=42 on eBay Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 01:53:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Someone needs to tell CCrane. Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevtronics" To: Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 10:16 PM Subject: {AMSF} SRF=42 on eBay > With still 7 days left in the action, there are already 26 bids on > this Sony SRF-42 AM Stereo Walkman, with a current bid price of > US$59.00.... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1367341708 > From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Jul 20 06:01:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 20 Jul 2002 13:01:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 3934 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2002 07:34:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2002 07:34:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2002 07:34:47 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.39]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 03:33:16 -0400 Message-ID: <001301c22fbf$f2a5b400$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <105.18ee7734.2a6a49ea@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF}radios Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 03:34:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I did mention before that I am still making decoders, and as well, Jeff Deck can also make them. He purchased a load of chips and boards from me. I can supply decoders and "basic" instructions- I cannot advise on custom designs. Now, what I can do is using the service manuals I have at work, is make a list of all the common IC's used in boomboxes, and show the IF take-off point, as well as the audio output area of these chips. This way, (in theory) anyone that can use a soldering iron can covert their own radios. CC From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Jul 20 06:06:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 20 Jul 2002 13:06:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 12694 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2002 07:39:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2002 07:39:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2002 07:39:24 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.39]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 03:37:57 -0400 Message-ID: <003b01c22fc0$99cefa20$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <000901c22f8b$ff3b6f40$af78fea9@juan> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite and the Carver Tx-11a Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 03:39:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Try VERY slowly adjusting the pilot pot (next to the 555 / 4017 chips) Turn it just a FRACTION one way or the other, while watching the pilot on the UX1. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Juan / John Gualda To: Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 9:23 PM Subject: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite and the Carver Tx-11a > One odd thing though, the Alfredo Lite doesn't trip the UX-1 in the Buick to Stereo Mode. I even placed it close to the antenna, but no luck, any ideas ? > > Juan From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Sat Jul 20 06:19:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 20 Jul 2002 13:19:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 67012 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2002 13:19:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2002 13:19:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.32.181.143) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2002 13:19:32 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 06:19:32 -0700 Received: from 208.228.96.20 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 13:19:31 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Fwd: car radios Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 09:19:31 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2002 13:19:32.0167 (UTC) FILETIME=[15A64570:01C22FF0] From: "Chris Cuff" X-Originating-IP: [208.228.96.20] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059 This is my earlier message.. my work ISP does not allow relaying.. whatever that means.... cc >From: "Chris Cuff" >To: >Subject: car radios >Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 09:16:47 -0400 > >I just completed the conversion of Narkspuds new Aiwa car radio, and it >came out great. I will post detailed pix to a new file within the next few >days. >Also, I finished the conversion for Russell on the famous Ford "Chicklet" >radio- the most popular single DIN radio they used for years. These are >also an easy conversion. >A warning, tho- the new Ford radios from about 1997 up cannot be converted, >unless by some miracle I can get a schematic. >CC _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From groucho@skyweb.net Sat Jul 20 07:02:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 20 Jul 2002 14:02:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 86462 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2002 14:02:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2002 14:02:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2002 14:02:51 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6KE8CIQ020706 for ; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 10:08:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D396C98.EF1E5760@skyweb.net> Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 09:58:48 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTB IBOC WARNING..... References: <8c.1b4ddaab.2a6a52ee@aol.com> From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Bob I have a friend who works For lucent.. on the IBOC project..... word is after WOR.... WGAI is Next in line for testing.... Whats your boss thinking???????? JUST KIDDING.... they already tested on My station.. I dont want to be the only one in here that had a run in with IBOC....... Neal KC4QLP@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/20/02 1:07:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > KC4QLP@aol.com > writes: > > << Now I'm sitting here at 106 AM EDT....and starring at a rather > rough > looking > thunderstorm...hoping nothing gets hit tonight! > {http://www.wgai560am.com/weather.html} >> > WOW! When they tell you about lightning strikes ahead of the storm > in > Skywarn training class....man do they ever mean it! I've seen my > towers get > "lit" several times aready.....even a few balls of blue fire jumping > around > out here in the field around the towers! > I saw all of this while checking a few things in the generator > room....enough > to make your hair stand on end! > Thankfully nothing got destroyed and looks like the weather is going > to be > quiet for the rest of the evening. > {Wewl! close call} > Now...what about those AM radios that need to be converted to stereo? > > Bob Carter > Operations/Engineering > > WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 > Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio > > Network > > Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with > engineering > services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. > e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com > http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice > Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC > WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC > WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC > > AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- > amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com > > amstereo-subcribe@topica.com > amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > > NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS > > KC4QLP Amateur Radio > Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va > www.kc4qlp.cjb.net > > voice contact-252-335-0856 > fax 1-209-254-8978 > _______________________________________________________ > > WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, > Chapter > 5, Subchapter II, > "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is > subject to a > download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance > of > these terms." > Your message (if actually mailed) is in violation of the Federal > Telephone > Consumer Protection Act of 1991, and Collateral Code of Federal > Regulations > (47 CFR 64.1200). The TCPA allows a private right of action against > the > sender of unsolicited advertising. The recipient can sue for $500, or > actualdamages (whichever is greater). > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------- > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Jul 20 07:41:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 20 Jul 2002 14:41:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 48975 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2002 14:41:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2002 14:41:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2002 14:41:50 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-102.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.102]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g6KEciiu016000 for ; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 09:38:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002b01c22ffc$4c507300$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <105.18ee7734.2a6a49ea@aol.com> <001301c22fbf$f2a5b400$0101a8c0@pavilion> Subject: Re: {AMSF}radios Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 09:46:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude At least that's a pretty good start. From there you'd likely have to follow some circuit traces and see what's there for IF filtering and tap off where you get the best bandwidth and such. What do you think of this idea- posting a link to the proper data-sheet locator site for these chips? That way we don't have to use up a lot of server space with jpg or tif files until a chip become obsolete when we'd have to store it. Would also be willing to help with conversions. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Cuff" > Now, what I can do is using the service manuals I have at work, is > make a list of all the common IC's used in boomboxes, and show the IF > take-off point, as well as the audio output area of these chips. This way, > (in theory) anyone that can use a soldering iron can covert their own > radios. From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Jul 20 07:53:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 20 Jul 2002 14:53:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 42204 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2002 14:53:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2002 14:53:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2002 14:53:23 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-102.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.102]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g6KEoIiu017552 for ; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 09:50:19 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003301c22ffd$e9edc3a0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <105.18ee7734.2a6a49ea@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTB Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 09:58:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Depending upon how many radios, perhaps your station could contract with a manufacturer to make an AMS version of an already available model. I know Chris said some time ago that Emerson's inexpensive, brightly colored boomboxes were a good conversion. You'd tell them you want their X model in AMS, and send them the decoder schematic. If your station wouldn't be able to purchase enough of them to get a decent price, try contacting a few other AMS stations and see if they'd be willing to pool an order. It's worth a try. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: > << > My biggest concern, now that Chris has retired..is getting Radios. My > plan was to buy some convertable Boom-Boxes, and have them converted to AM > Stereo. Is there anyone who can help here ? I really need to produce some > radios....and not tell our GM to go to E-bay and try to bid one one. > >> > How many radios? I'm sure if you/we had some info on the radios to be > converted and the decoders...that a few of us could convert them for you. From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sat Jul 20 08:34:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 20 Jul 2002 15:34:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 16963 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2002 15:34:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2002 15:34:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf10bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.50) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2002 15:34:05 -0000 Received: from juan ([67.34.233.244]) by imf10bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020720153536.UXUT21884.imf10bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 11:35:36 -0400 Message-ID: <000901c23002$e2063280$af78fea9@juan> To: References: <105.18ee7734.2a6a49ea@aol.com> <001301c22fbf$f2a5b400$0101a8c0@pavilion> <002b01c22ffc$4c507300$d3a9fea9@me> Subject: Re: {AMSF}radios Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 11:34:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for all the help you guys, we really appreciate it. For some reason, I thought the conversion boards were gone, or almost gone. I beleive what we CAN do, is find a decent boom box, and buy a few. I am pretty good with a soldering iron, and as long as it wasn't too difficult, I could convert them. I would be looking for a Radio or boombox that had decent wide band fidelity, and wasn't too hard to add convertions to. Again, thanks to everyone for the help and suggestions. I will do all I can to make WTTB's transition to Stereo as quickly as possible. And thanks to you Chris, for all you do..this Bud's for you ! Juan ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 10:46 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF}radios At least that's a pretty good start. From there you'd likely have to follow some circuit traces and see what's there for IF filtering and tap off where you get the best bandwidth and such. What do you think of this idea- posting a link to the proper data-sheet locator site for these chips? That way we don't have to use up a lot of server space with jpg or tif files until a chip become obsolete when we'd have to store it. Would also be willing to help with conversions. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Cuff" > Now, what I can do is using the service manuals I have at work, is > make a list of all the common IC's used in boomboxes, and show the IF > take-off point, as well as the audio output area of these chips. This way, > (in theory) anyone that can use a soldering iron can covert their own > radios. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sat Jul 20 08:38:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 20 Jul 2002 15:38:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 3588 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2002 15:38:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2002 15:38:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf10bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.30) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2002 15:38:40 -0000 Received: from juan ([67.34.233.244]) by imf10bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020720154011.UZZL21884.imf10bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 11:40:11 -0400 Message-ID: <001001c23003$85ce7350$af78fea9@juan> To: References: <000901c22f8b$ff3b6f40$af78fea9@juan> <003b01c22fc0$99cefa20$0101a8c0@pavilion> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite and the Carver Tx-11a Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 11:38:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Chris, will do. By the way, it's interesting how different radios have different "tempers" as far as the Stereo light going on. The Carver is very sensitive, but I have noticed the UX-1 doesn't need a super strong signal, but it isn't easily tripped when the signal starts getting noisy. Juan Try VERY slowly adjusting the pilot pot (next to the 555 / 4017 chips) Turn it just a FRACTION one way or the other, while watching the pilot on the UX1. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Juan / John Gualda To: Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 9:23 PM Subject: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite and the Carver Tx-11a > One odd thing though, the Alfredo Lite doesn't trip the UX-1 in the Buick to Stereo Mode. I even placed it close to the antenna, but no luck, any ideas ? > > Juan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sat Jul 20 09:35:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 20 Jul 2002 16:35:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 62486 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2002 16:35:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2002 16:35:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2002 16:35:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2002 16:35:20 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 16:35:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTB Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <105.18ee7734.2a6a49ea@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2027 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.250 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., KC4QLP@a... wrote: > In a message dated 7/20/02 12:21:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > gualdaj@b... writes: > > << > My biggest concern, now that Chris has retired..is getting Radios. My > plan was to buy some convertable Boom-Boxes, and have them converted to AM > Stereo. Is there anyone who can help here ? I really need to produce some > radios....and not tell our GM to go to E-bay and try to bid one one. > >> > How many radios? I'm sure if you/we had some info on the radios to be > converted and the decoders...that a few of us could convert them for you. > Sounds like a nice group project that we could take on anyways.I have a > station right here in stereo..so excellent testing source. > > Now I'm sitting here at 106 AM EDT....and starring at a rather rough looking > thunderstorm...hoping nothing gets hit tonight! > {http://www.wgai560am.com/weather.html} > > > Bob Carter > Operations/Engineering > I am interested in drawing up plans for a small radio based on the MC13024 chip. One that could be versatile for carring around in a shirt pocket to use with headphones or be patched into a Hi-Fi unit. It would probably have a fairly flat response out past 9KHz with 10KHz whistle filter, NRSC de-emphasis, and wide/narrow bandwidth switch. This chip has issues with the pilot circuit but it uses similar pilot filtering to the MC13020 which also has issues. By changing the filtering components for the pilot I have been able to get the MC13020 to work so hopefully this may work for the MC13024. I worse comes to worse I will just use the chip in forced stereo mode. I have drawn up a board using the MC13028 chip that has many features with good post detection filtering on my website at: http://www.hal-pc.org/~jsgil/AM-Stereo I also posted a simple board for wideband filtering and post detection filtering for mono for those music stations that will probably never go stereo. It has NRSC de-emphasis 10KHz whistle filter and eq boost above 7.5KHz. JSG From amfmdx@fastq.com Sat Jul 20 09:47:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 20 Jul 2002 16:47:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 93486 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2002 16:47:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2002 16:47:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2002 16:47:17 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d80-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.112]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g6KGlFT53230 for ; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 09:47:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <011401c2300d$10a126e0$aed63fd1@kredding430cdt> To: Subject: You HAVE to ask or you will not get it! Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 09:46:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Another letter to CCrane about AM Stereo. I can't be the only one writing or they will not listen. You guys have to write if you really want to see AM stereo make a comeback. You have to care enough to do it or the stations will continue to turn out the pilot lights. Gents, I have been looking everywhere for an AM stereo radio. I see them on eBay all the time at prices that would blow your eyes out! Buying stuff on eBay is a crap shoot at best. You don't know what you are going to get. Well I told you about the Sony SRF A-100 that went for $355 and was sold new for only $69... Well I will give you a URL for a Sony SRF-42 which is a walkman style AM stereo unit. These units were $29 new until last year. Well this auction has 6 days to go and this $29 radio is already at $59.... I wish you would make these AM stereo radios because I would rather buy new than off eBay. You should be getting this money. Will you ever make an AM stereo radio because they WILL sell if you make them. There actually is a market for them if they are selling like they are on eBay. I own a CCRadio, a LED lamp, a Sangean solar panel, the lamp that goes with the CCRadio and a 3 led flashlight. I WOULD BUY AN AM STEREO RADIO FROM YOU IF YOU SOLD THEM AND I KNOW MANY OTHERS THAT WOULD ALSO. I hope someday to replace my aging AM stereo units with something from you all. You should be selling these instead of letting the money go to eBay sellers. There is a market. Kevin Redding Mesa, Arizona This message has been composed of recycled electrons. None of these electrons has been harmed or injured in the creation and transmission of this message but they have been shamelessly exploited for this use. From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Jul 20 11:20:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 20 Jul 2002 18:20:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 15275 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2002 18:20:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2002 18:20:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2002 18:20:26 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 2.9.2b3da626 (30954) for ; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 14:20:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9.2b3da626.2a6b03e4@aol.com> Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 14:20:20 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} You HAVE to ask or you will not get it! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Another one to ask is the good people at Sangean. Their email address is sangean@earthlink.net Sangean after all supplys CCRadio with most of their products. http://www.sangean.com/ Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms." Your message (if actually mailed) is in violation of the Federal Telephone Consumer Protection Act of 1991, and Collateral Code of Federal Regulations (47 CFR 64.1200). The TCPA allows a private right of action against the sender of unsolicited advertising. The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From fanfare@globility.com Sat Jul 20 11:48:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 20 Jul 2002 18:48:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 46001 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2002 18:48:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2002 18:48:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2002 18:48:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2002 18:48:01 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 18:48:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Omega - navigating the FCC maze Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1615 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amfmguy" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.235.203 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy First of all, I want to publicly thank John Pavlica aka "Johnny Electron" for his very kind help in getting our response added to the FCC webpage under 99-325. We are very pleased to be able to provide encouragment and support for his comments on the subject of IBOC-AM. On a related note, I sympathise with anyone who must assault the mountain of electronic redundancy that has been established within this FCC site. I would have still been at it today had it not been for John's kind assistance. If you are interested, and I sincerely hope you are, our submission is at; http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi? native_or_pdf=pdf&id_document=6513282718 John Pavlica's submission, on whose questions part of our submission is based, can be found at; http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi? native_or_pdf=pdf&id_document=6513194457 I would also like to thank Scott Todd and Jeff Weldon for taking of their valuable time to help clarify the way things are in the real world of broadcast engineering. Hopefully I will hear from more of you as time goes on. Unfortunately, the rest of the text I had written disappeared with the blue screen I just got a few moments ago. In any event it dealt with the Omega receiver and how it could bring the ideals of this group back into focus for a lot of radio manufacturers. All I ask is that you believe that IBOC, as it is now being promoted, is not a done deal. Perhaps you could take a look at our submission and I will expand on the subject later. Many thanks for your support, Marv Southcott President Fanfare Electronics, Ltd. From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Jul 20 12:14:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 20 Jul 2002 19:14:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 58466 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2002 19:14:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2002 19:14:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2002 19:14:57 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 9.17e.b5299a6 (30950) for ; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 15:14:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <17e.b5299a6.2a6b10ad@aol.com> Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 15:14:53 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTB IBOC WARNING..... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 7/20/02 10:03:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, groucho@skyweb.net writes: << Hey Bob I have a friend who works For lucent.. on the IBOC project..... word is after WOR.... WGAI is Next in line for testing.... Whats your boss thinking????????>> I'd say he would have been sucking too many microwaves from out the end of the wave guide at the network up-link center if that were the case...LOL << JUST KIDDING.... they already tested on My station.. I dont want to be the only one in here that had a run in with IBOC....... Neal >> Thank God you are only kidding....of course now IF this causes me to have IBOC nightmares.....hehehehe...Jersey and NY is really a short drive from here...LOL Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From rjskadl@yahoo.com Sat Jul 20 12:26:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 20 Jul 2002 19:26:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 69175 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2002 19:26:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2002 19:26:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2002 19:26:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2002 19:26:57 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 19:26:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fwd: car radios Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1151 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 206.112.35.28 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl ccuff wrote: > >......I finished the conversion for Russell on the famous Ford "Chicklet" YES!!! Thank you so much Chris. You totally just made my whole weekend. I can't wait to get the radio back! I just started a new job where I have to be in early, it is a long drive as well so now I will be able to enjoy music on WICC in AM Stereo. Now if only there was an AM Stereo station on Long Island. Mike and I are working on it. If I can get my hands on a BE AM-1 Stereo card and or an external exciter that will work with a Harriss SX-1 then we will have it made. Thanks again Chris! I'll take pictures of the radio in my dashboard and post them. Also, WLUX is undrgoing a power increase from non-directional 250 watts to directional 1100 watts. Tower #2 is currently under construction. I am stopping out every couple of days to take pictures and keep up to date on the progress. It is going to be a massive self supported tower. I am going to post the pictures on the internet, either as a sub page of the funshow page or as part of LIRadio.com. When it is up I'll send you guys the links. It is cool stuff. -Russ From rjskadl@yahoo.com Sat Jul 20 12:41:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 20 Jul 2002 19:41:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 83123 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2002 19:41:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2002 19:41:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2002 19:41:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2002 19:41:53 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 19:41:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Omega - navigate FCC maze (LINKS NOT WORKING) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 508 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 206.112.35.28 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl HEY Marv: These links aren't working. Is there any way you can send us the text to what you submitted? -Russ > > http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi? > native_or_pdf=pdf&id_document=6513282718 > > John Pavlica's submission, on whose questions part of our submission > is based, can be found at; > > http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi? > native_or_pdf=pdf&id_document=6513194457 > > Many thanks for your support, > > Marv Southcott > President > Fanfare Electronics, Ltd. From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Jul 20 12:54:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 20 Jul 2002 19:54:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 29243 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2002 19:54:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2002 19:54:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r06.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.102) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2002 19:54:22 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.15e.10f0c75d (30950) for ; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 15:54:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <15e.10f0c75d.2a6b19e8@aol.com> Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 15:54:16 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Omega - navigating the FCC maze To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 7/20/02 2:48:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, fanfare@globility.com writes: << In any event it dealt with the Omega receiver and how it could bring the ideals of this group back into focus for a lot of radio manufacturers. All I ask is that you believe that IBOC, as it is now being promoted, is not a done deal. Perhaps you could take a look at our submission and I will expand on the subject later. >> Hello Marv, I read your comments on the FCC pages in regard to IBOC-AM and the Omega system. Needless to say,it perked my interest and I do hope that it grabs the attention of those at the commission as well. I look forward to hearing/reading more about it,and hope it becomes a common receiver in the market place. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms." Your message (if actually mailed) is in violation of the Federal Telephone Consumer Protection Act of 1991, and Collateral Code of Federal Regulations (47 CFR 64.1200). The TCPA allows a private right of action against the sender of unsolicited advertising. The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From rjskadl@yahoo.com Sat Jul 20 12:54:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 20 Jul 2002 19:54:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 53924 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2002 19:54:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2002 19:54:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2002 19:54:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2002 19:54:41 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 19:54:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: One way to hear good audio on FM... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 801 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 206.112.35.28 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl Yes, believe it or not you can actually get terriffic audio quality on FM Radio. The whole trick is not processing the audio to H-E-double(hockey sticks). The very first radio station I was ever on is probably the best sounding FM I have ever heard. The station is 90.1 FM WUSB Stony Brook. There is no AGC so it is up to the operator to make sure the levels are good. If you want to get a loud punchy sound then you crank the big old rotary pots on the Gates Executive up till the meters are nearly pinning. If you want to preserve dynamic range then you turn the pot down so that the meters are peaking at 100% and averaging around 70%. With classical, you pretty much set it and forget it. It is truly nice to have the ability to manipulate the levels like that on the air. From mychucky@funport.net Sat Jul 20 13:04:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mychucky@funport.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 20 Jul 2002 20:04:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 37285 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2002 20:04:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2002 20:04:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.funport.com) (216.199.19.6) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2002 20:04:10 -0000 Received: from FatMusic2000 ([]) by mail.funport.com (Merak 5.0.1) with SMTP id JFB36580 for ; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 16:01:32 -0400 Message-ID: <016101c23028$ebd73590$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> To: References: <17e.b5299a6.2a6b10ad@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTB IBOC WARNING..... Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 16:06:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85836819 X-Yahoo-Profile: mychucky1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.melco.co.nz/aiwa/ Well I have some good news and some bad news. My buyer in Japan told me that Sony bought Aiwa Japan so there goes another source of AM Stereo products. I went looking for proof and found this little ditty. Gee I practically went out of business and did not even know it. I have him looking for a new line but it don't look good. Later guys Chuck www.stereoam.com ----- Original Message ----- From: KC4QLP@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 3:14 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTB IBOC WARNING..... In a message dated 7/20/02 10:03:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, groucho@skyweb.net writes: << Hey Bob I have a friend who works For lucent.. on the IBOC project..... word is after WOR.... WGAI is Next in line for testing.... Whats your boss thinking????????>> I'd say he would have been sucking too many microwaves from out the end of the wave guide at the network up-link center if that were the case...LOL << JUST KIDDING.... they already tested on My station.. I dont want to be the only one in here that had a run in with IBOC....... Neal >> Thank God you are only kidding....of course now IF this causes me to have IBOC nightmares.....hehehehe...Jersey and NY is really a short drive from here...LOL Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Jul 20 13:07:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 20 Jul 2002 20:07:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 40553 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2002 20:07:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2002 20:07:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.33) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2002 20:07:26 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 2.1aa.56b031c (30950) for ; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 16:07:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1aa.56b031c.2a6b1cfa@aol.com> Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 16:07:22 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Omega - navigate FCC maze (LINKS NOT WORKING) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 7/20/02 3:43:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rjskadl@yahoo.com writes: << HEY Marv: These links aren't working. Is there any way you can send us the text to what you submitted? -Russ > > http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi? > native_or_pdf=pdf&id_document=6513282718 > > John Pavlica's submission, on whose questions part of our submission > is based, can be found at; > > http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi? > native_or_pdf=pdf&id_document=6513194457 > >> I tryed the links direct as well and got the server error message...but you can go directly to http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/comsrch_v2.cgi and then enter 99-325 under "Proceeding". Look for Marv's posting...the 2nd one from the top of the page and Johns posting is the 4th one down from the top of the page. The links seem to working going that route today. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms." Your message (if actually mailed) is in violation of the Federal Telephone Consumer Protection Act of 1991, and Collateral Code of Federal Regulations (47 CFR 64.1200). The TCPA allows a private right of action against the sender of unsolicited advertising. The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From mychucky@funport.net Sat Jul 20 13:10:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mychucky@funport.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 20 Jul 2002 20:10:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 5007 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2002 20:10:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2002 20:10:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.funport.com) (216.199.19.6) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2002 20:10:54 -0000 Received: from FatMusic2000 ([]) by mail.funport.com (Merak 5.0.1) with SMTP id JFB36580 for ; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 16:08:15 -0400 Message-ID: <016701c23029$dc73e390$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> To: References: <17e.b5299a6.2a6b10ad@aol.com> <016101c23028$ebd73590$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTB IBOC WARNING..... Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 16:13:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85836819 X-Yahoo-Profile: mychucky1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.aiwa.co.jp/corporate/report/2002_e/0228issue.html Aiwa's press release. ----- Original Message ----- From: mychucky@funport.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 4:06 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTB IBOC WARNING..... http://www.melco.co.nz/aiwa/ Well I have some good news and some bad news. My buyer in Japan told me that Sony bought Aiwa Japan so there goes another source of AM Stereo products. I went looking for proof and found this little ditty. Gee I practically went out of business and did not even know it. I have him looking for a new line but it don't look good. Later guys Chuck www.stereoam.com ----- Original Message ----- From: KC4QLP@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 3:14 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTB IBOC WARNING..... In a message dated 7/20/02 10:03:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, groucho@skyweb.net writes: << Hey Bob I have a friend who works For lucent.. on the IBOC project..... word is after WOR.... WGAI is Next in line for testing.... Whats your boss thinking????????>> I'd say he would have been sucking too many microwaves from out the end of the wave guide at the network up-link center if that were the case...LOL << JUST KIDDING.... they already tested on My station.. I dont want to be the only one in here that had a run in with IBOC....... Neal >> Thank God you are only kidding....of course now IF this causes me to have IBOC nightmares.....hehehehe...Jersey and NY is really a short drive from here...LOL Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rjskadl@yahoo.com Sat Jul 20 13:18:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 20 Jul 2002 20:18:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 45138 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2002 20:18:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2002 20:18:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2002 20:18:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2002 20:18:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 20:18:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re:(LINKS NOT WORKING) I figured out why! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1323 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 206.112.35.28 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl OK. Another way to get there is to click on the link and do it so that it opens in another window. then what you have to do is highlight the rest of the link underneath and then copy it and paste it to the end of the address on the new browser window. then hit enter and it will bring you to the comments. I am suprised it took me this long to figure it out. It is a typical yahoo thing. The link was very long, and so it wrapped it to the next line and it only makes the first line the active link. So if you simple copy and paste the 2nd half of the link it works. I read the comments by the way and they are most excellant. I can't wait to see omega demonstrated. I'll even volunteer to be a guinea pig. I just started working in the massively huge Health Science Center at Stony Brook University Hospital, so if the radio will work in there, then it will work anywhere! > > > > http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi? > > native_or_pdf=pdf&id_document=6513282718 > > > > John Pavlica's submission, on whose questions part of our > submission > > is based, can be found at; > > > > http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi? > > native_or_pdf=pdf&id_document=6513194457 > > > > Many thanks for your support, > > > > Marv Southcott > > President > > Fanfare Electronics, Ltd. From fanfare@globility.com Sat Jul 20 13:31:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 20 Jul 2002 20:31:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 4574 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2002 20:31:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2002 20:31:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2002 20:31:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2002 20:31:20 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 20:31:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Omega - navigate FCC maze (LINKS NOT WORKING) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1aa.56b031c.2a6b1cfa@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4244 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amfmguy" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.235.203 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy Hi guys: Sorry you're having trouble. First of all, the entire URL must be entered which includes the "http ... 6513282718". Unfortunately, when the URL appeared in the AMSF group message string it came up split in two. Therefore you cannot click on it to get to the URL. In this case, make sure you have the enter URL (as indicated above) highlighted from my message then cut and paste to your browser. Another thing, when you enter the URL, you may get a blank screen which you may think indicates the URL hasn't taken. Click again on the URL in the "address" window and the submission PDF will then show up. I've had that problem with every one of the 99-325 submisions I've read. Even when you click on the "reply" link in the listing, you have to wait until the browser activity indicator stops, then click on the link again. The PDF usually then appears. Have patience for the "Virginia for Public Press". It's 44 pages and is promoting Eureka 147, of all things. Wouldn't that make things a whole heckuva lot easier for all of us, were it to come true. As for uploading ours and John's submission to the AMSF file site, I'd like to hear from a moderator first. we might be eating up bandwidth that could otherwise be turned to more important use? Perhaps one could let me kmow. Marv --- In amstereoforum@y..., KC4QLP@a... wrote: > In a message dated 7/20/02 3:43:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > rjskadl@y... writes: > > << HEY Marv: These links aren't working. Is there any way you can send > us the text to what you submitted? -Russ > > > > http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi? > > native_or_pdf=pdf&id_document=6513282718 > > > > John Pavlica's submission, on whose questions part of our > submission > > is based, can be found at; > > > > http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi? > > native_or_pdf=pdf&id_document=6513194457 > > >> > I tryed the links direct as well and got the server error message...but you > can go directly to http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/comsrch_v2.cgi and > then enter 99-325 under "Proceeding". > Look for Marv's posting...the 2nd one from the top of the page and Johns > posting is the 4th one down from the top of the page. The links seem to > working going that route today. > > > Bob Carter > Operations/Engineering > > WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 > Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio > Network > > Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering > services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. > e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@y... > http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice > Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC > WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC > WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC > > AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- > amstereoradio- subcribe@t... > > amstereo-subcribe@t... > amstereoradio-subscribe@y... > > NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS > > KC4QLP Amateur Radio > Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va > www.kc4qlp.cjb.net > > voice contact-252-335-0856 > fax 1-209-254-8978 > _______________________________________________________ > > WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter > 5, Subchapter II, > "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a > download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of > these terms." > Your message (if actually mailed) is in violation of the Federal Telephone > Consumer Protection Act of 1991, and Collateral Code of Federal Regulations > (47 CFR 64.1200). The TCPA allows a private right of action against the > sender of unsolicited advertising. The recipient can sue for $500, or > actualdamages (whichever is greater). > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > > ------------------- From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Jul 20 13:57:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 20 Jul 2002 20:57:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 96376 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2002 20:57:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2002 20:57:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2002 20:57:02 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 1.15e.10f0c769 (30950) for ; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 16:56:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <15e.10f0c769.2a6b289b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 16:56:59 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Omega - navigate FCC maze (LINKS NOT WORKING) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 7/20/02 4:32:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, fanfare@globility.com writes: << As for uploading ours and John's submission to the AMSF file site, I'd like to hear from a moderator first. we might be eating up bandwidth that could otherwise be turned to more important use? Perhaps one could let me kmow. >> As far as files and file space,there is http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoradio which is open to EVERYONE to use. If this one here at the forum becomes full or close to it....please feel free to use the one at amstereoradio. Its a group that is a bit inactive at the moment...but its around for anyone wanting to use it for whatever they want. In my eyes,its not a his list ,theres list.....but more of a everyones list. I would be willing to let someone be a co-site manager to help keep things in order. {open to entertain any ideas} Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms." Your message (if actually mailed) is in violation of the Federal Telephone Consumer Protection Act of 1991, and Collateral Code of Federal Regulations (47 CFR 64.1200). The TCPA allows a private right of action against the sender of unsolicited advertising. The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Jul 20 14:45:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 20 Jul 2002 21:45:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 68027 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2002 21:45:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2002 21:45:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2002 21:45:57 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.58]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 17:44:32 -0400 Message-ID: <001f01c23036$dce5a540$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <17e.b5299a6.2a6b10ad@aol.com> <016101c23028$ebd73590$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> Subject: Re: Sony /Aiwa Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 17:46:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Chuck, I posted info on this before you came on board here. AM stereo is only available in a few shelf systems now at Aiwa, and next model year, when the current boards are used up, there will be none at all and yes, Sony has ruined Aiwa, as they ruined themselves. Our service center is authorized for both, and the quality has slipped so badly, I would not recommend either product. (anyone thinking about a DVD take note- these are perhaps the worst product they make now, and their own tech support cannot even fix them) The only thing that matters to Sony is the playstation. Sad. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 4:06 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTB IBOC WARNING..... > http://www.melco.co.nz/aiwa/ > > Well I have some good news and some bad news. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jul 20 19:53:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 21 Jul 2002 02:53:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 16021 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2002 02:53:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2002 02:53:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2002 02:53:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2002 02:53:32 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 02:53:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: You HAVE to ask or you will not get it! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9.2b3da626.2a6b03e4@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 490 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.76.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Here's an idea... how about somebody buy a CCRadio, or use one they already have, and convert it to AM Stereo, maybe change the filter to get it sounding good, and put it up on eBay? THIS is something that C.Crane Co. would be interested in seeing -- and I have no doubt that a CCRadio with Hi-Fi AM Stereo as a special feature would sell on eBay for more than what a plain one costs new from C.Crane! "Why wait until 2004 for IBOC, when you can have Hi-Fi AM STEREO *right now*?" From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jul 20 20:17:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 21 Jul 2002 03:17:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 61430 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2002 03:17:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2002 03:17:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2002 03:17:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2002 03:17:42 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 03:17:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: One way to hear good audio on FM... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2007 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.76.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > If you want to get a loud punchy sound then you crank the big old > rotary pots on the Gates Executive up till the meters are nearly > pinning. One sad thing for me is that two of my favorite local stations -- WCTC 1450 AM Stereo and "Magic 98.3" WMGQ, both owned by Greater Media -- have noticeably increased the level of their audio processing in the past two years or so. I listen to some older tapes of these stations, especially on the AM side, and the very light processing they used in the past is impressive to listen to -- music had great dynamic range, and with news/talk programming, production elements really "jumped out at you", especially with the AM Stereo. Now, these two stations sound more "ordinary" -- not necessarily *bad*, and WCTC's AM Stereo quality is still excellent, but they just blend in with all the competition on the dial. However, at least they don't use any funny EQ tricks (like the unnatural bass and/or treble boost that some stations use), and the FM side plays their music direct from CD and has all their liners and commercials on good old-fashioned carts (tape cartridges), so it is all free from annoying XM/IBOC-like digital "artifacts" in the sound. BTW, in my area there is one AM country music station that uses a home-made audio processor! It was made by Ron Michels, the son of the station's founder, so they call it the "Rontimod". As described by a person who toured the studio and had a look at it, it uses a power transformer from Radio Shack, and the front panel has a LED bar-graph peak level display and a single unmarked knob to adjust the processing. It is combined with an old Gates limiter, and delivers a very unique on-air sound. I think it's even a single-band processor because it will "pump" on songs with a heavy kick-drum beat. But, this has been the station's "sonic signature" for the past 30 years and I don't think they'd change it even if they could afford a typical Optimod or Omnia processor. From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Jul 20 20:55:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 21 Jul 2002 03:55:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 28484 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2002 03:55:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2002 03:55:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2002 03:55:15 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-228.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.228]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g6L3pwiu019541 for ; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 22:52:10 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001d01c2306b$24090500$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Fwd: car radios Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 23:00:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Russ, I know of someone who has a BE card sitting unused. He's an engineer in TN. How much do you have to offer for it? Don't have his email address handy, but could get it from the bnet engineers' list. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "rjskadl" > . If I can get my hands on a BE AM-1 Stereo card > and or an external exciter that will work with a Harriss SX-1 then we > will have it made. From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Jul 20 23:31:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 21 Jul 2002 06:31:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 51842 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2002 06:31:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2002 06:31:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r03.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.99) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2002 06:31:08 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.37.2ab6a45e (30960) for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 02:31:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37.2ab6a45e.2a6baf24@aol.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 02:31:00 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} You HAVE to ask or you will not get it! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 7/20/02 12:48:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, amfmdx@fastq.com writes: << Another letter to CCrane about AM Stereo. I can't be the only one writing or they will not listen. You guys have to write if you really want to see AM stereo make a comeback. You have to care enough to do it or the stations will continue to turn out the pilot lights. >> I have just sent off an e-mail to Chuck Harder.For those of you that do not who Chuck Harder is..he is a talk show host..the founder of the old Sun Radio Network and The Peoples Radio Network.Chuck is heard weekdays from 2-4pm ET live..even on WHRI shortwave.Chuck is a consumer advocate..he beleives in high quality,made in America,jobs in America first..he looks out for "the little guy" {more detailed info at {http://www.chuckharder.com} Chuck has on several occasions had Bob Crane from CCrane radio on his show before....so I hopefully enlisted his help in finding some company through his own contacts or nudge CCrane to jump on Sangean to make AM Stereo AMAX compliant radios.So we shall see.What has anyone else done?or is it just a hand full of folks pounding the pavement,dialin phones and sending out emails? Theres roughly say minus the back-up email addresses that we have here...there's at least 80 folks here that could make some noise...lets all make a difference. My email to Chuck Harder: {send to: webmaster@chuckharder.com} {subject:Hello Chuck Harder} {body: Hello Chuck, We are proud to have you on WGAI and bring your information to our listeners. I have just a few questions...first of all,I'm part of a group of AM stereo enthusiasts.We try to promote how good AM radio can sound,but the manufactures today have taken so many short cuts in the engineering of AM radios,AM radio stations sound short of a bunch of people talking into pillows and lack of sensitivity adds to the difficulty for people to receive their favorite stations.Also AM Stereo receivers are becoming hard to find due to the new craze of IBOC-AM {presently in testing stages now},which is noted in some unpublished,unoffical studies to cause interference to adjacent channels..... interference which will cause most stations not to be heard where they are normally heard today.Of course that is if the radio station can afford the high cost of converting over with the new digital equipment...many mom-n-pop radio stations will not survive if IBOC becomes the new standard of broadcasting. I've heard you with Bob Crane from CCrane radio before on your show...I was wondering if you knew of any companies/individuals..{or even CCrane} that would be willing to manufacture a decent,highly sensitive,AM Stereo AMAX compliant radio for the American market? The listeners of your show would benefit greatly due to the increased quality of sound and receiveabliity of stations with this type of radio....the majority of your affiliates are AM stations.The added cost of producing this type of radio over todays radios would only be a few dollars.Thats nothing compared to what junk people buy today.People will buy these radios that were once produced in large numbers in the early days of AM Stereo radio broadcasting.The only sure way someone can find such high quality radios now is to go on ebay and pay twice,sometimes three times the actual value of these radios.The consumer shouldnt have to resort to these sorts of measures to obtain quality. It is my hope that you can provide some input,guidance and a voice in this endeavor. Again,thank you for any support you can give and direct towards this endeavor. Sincerly, Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC Member of: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------} From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sun Jul 21 11:45:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 21 Jul 2002 18:45:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 49077 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2002 18:45:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2002 18:45:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2002 18:45:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2002 18:45:08 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 18:45:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Omega - navigating the FCC maze Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1291 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.223 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "amfmguy" wrote: . > > Unfortunately, the rest of the text I had written disappeared with > the blue screen I just got a few moments ago. In any event it dealt > with the Omega receiver and how it could bring the ideals of this > group back into focus for a lot of radio manufacturers. All I ask is > that you believe that IBOC, as it is now being promoted, is not a > done deal. Perhaps you could take a look at our submission and I will > expand on the subject later. > > Many thanks for your support, > > Marv Southcott > President > Fanfare Electronics, Ltd. In curiosity wondering what Omega was I did a quick search on "Omega" and "AM Stereo" at the US Patent office and came up with this patent No. 6,301,295 . Whether this is what Marv is talking about I don't know but it has the word "omega" in several equations. http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/search-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=ft00&s1=Omega&s2='AM+Stereo'&OS=Omega+AND+"AM+Stereo"&RS=Omega+AND+"AM+Stereo" Yahoo will probably wrap this link at least twice so if you have trouble putting it back together then go to http://www.uspto.gov and do a patent search on "Omega" in field 1 and "AM Stereo" in field 2. JSG From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sun Jul 21 15:12:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 21 Jul 2002 22:12:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 30901 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2002 22:12:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2002 22:12:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2002 22:12:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2002 22:12:43 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 22:12:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} SRF=42 on eBay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008c01c22fca$f8828dc0$aed63fd1@kredding430cdt> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 609 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" X-Originating-IP: 217.148.40.61 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Up to $71.00 at the moment! Most I've seen these go for is about $20 to $30 --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" wrote: > Someone needs to tell CCrane. > > Kevin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "kevtronics" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 10:16 PM > Subject: {AMSF} SRF=42 on eBay > > > > With still 7 days left in the action, there are already 26 bids on > > this Sony SRF-42 AM Stereo Walkman, with a current bid price of > > US$59.00.... > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1367341708 > > From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun Jul 21 15:27:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 21 Jul 2002 22:27:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 51041 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2002 22:27:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2002 22:27:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2002 22:27:10 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt ([207.173.147.253]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g6LMR8T80097 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 15:27:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <031601c23105$433772a0$aed63fd1@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} SRF=42 on eBay Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 15:23:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla WRITE CCRANE!!! If they see dollar signs in it, they will build it. Greed runs the world. Entice them to do what we want using money and the sales from eBay. Please write them! Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: "amstereofan" To: Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 3:12 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} SRF=42 on eBay > Up to $71.00 at the moment! Most I've seen these go for is about $20 > to $30 > > > --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" > wrote: > > Someone needs to tell CCrane. > > > > Kevin > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "kevtronics" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 10:16 PM > > Subject: {AMSF} SRF=42 on eBay > > > > > > > With still 7 days left in the action, there are already 26 bids > on > > > this Sony SRF-42 AM Stereo Walkman, with a current bid price of > > > US$59.00.... > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1367341708 > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun Jul 21 15:35:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 21 Jul 2002 22:35:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 11489 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2002 22:35:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2002 22:35:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2002 22:35:24 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt ([207.173.147.253]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g6LMZNT80188 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 15:35:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <032e01c23106$66b814e0$aed63fd1@kredding430cdt> To: Subject: ebay / srf-42 Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 15:31:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla I want a SRF-A100 more than anything but if a SRF-42 goes for over $70, I am scared to think of what a SRF-A100 would go for! Kevin Mesa, Arizona This message has been composed of recycled electrons. None of these electrons has been harmed or injured in the creation and transmission of this message but they have been shamelessly exploited for this use. From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Jul 21 15:58:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 21 Jul 2002 22:58:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 40413 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2002 22:58:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2002 22:58:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2002 22:58:19 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.46]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 18:56:59 -0400 Message-ID: <001601c2310a$22cd2960$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <031601c23105$433772a0$aed63fd1@kredding430cdt> Subject: Re: {AMSF} SRF=42 on eBay Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 18:58:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I will be listing a pantload of rare AM stereo radios, as well as a new SRF 42....I am also letting my super rare Sony Coca-Cola SRFA1 go- This was only sold in Canada, and is a choice piece... now, if "someone" sees a lot of bids...... like I said- "bid early, bid often" Now, don't worry that I am selling the farm- well, actually I am, but it is to pay for the Alfredo Lite boards which are being plated right now. I just got in a bunch of the SA602 IC's, so I'm all set there. There are now 22 people waiting for "lites"..... F*** OFF IBOC! "let's roll...." CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin - Mesa, Arizona From fanfare@globility.com Sun Jul 21 15:59:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 21 Jul 2002 22:59:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 98245 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2002 22:59:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2002 22:59:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2002 22:59:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2002 22:59:33 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 22:59:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Omega - navigating the FCC maze Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1583 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amfmguy" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.235.223 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy Interesting conjecture. I see you were successful in finding out that part of Ibiquity's DAB design may be partly, or wholly owned by Kenwood in Japan. M. --- In amstereoforum@y..., "jsgilst" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@y..., "amfmguy" wrote: > > . > > > > Unfortunately, the rest of the text I had written disappeared with > > the blue screen I just got a few moments ago. In any event it dealt > > with the Omega receiver and how it could bring the ideals of this > > group back into focus for a lot of radio manufacturers. All I ask is > > that you believe that IBOC, as it is now being promoted, is not a > > done deal. Perhaps you could take a look at our submission and I > will > > expand on the subject later. > > > > Many thanks for your support, > > > > Marv Southcott > > President > > Fanfare Electronics, Ltd. > > In curiosity wondering what Omega was I did a quick search on "Omega" > and "AM Stereo" at the US Patent office and came up with this patent > No. 6,301,295 . Whether this is what Marv is talking about I don't > know but it has the word "omega" in several equations. > > http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser? Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/search- bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=ft00&s1=Omega&s2='AM+Stereo'&OS=Omeg a+AND+"AM+Stereo"&RS=Omega+AND+"AM+Stereo" > > Yahoo will probably wrap this link at least twice so if you have > trouble putting it back together then go to http://www.uspto.gov > and do a patent search on "Omega" in field 1 and "AM Stereo" in > field 2. > > JSG From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Jul 21 16:04:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 21 Jul 2002 23:04:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 60808 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2002 23:04:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2002 23:04:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2002 23:04:46 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.46]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 19:03:26 -0400 Message-ID: <003a01c2310b$09929d80$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Omega - navigating the FCC maze Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 19:04:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Hey Marv- Privately email me with an evening phone #- I will call probably Wednesday around 7 or so if thats OK.. I have some ideas.... >;-) CC ----- Original Message ----- From: amfmguy To: Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 6:59 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Omega - navigating the FCC maze From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Jul 21 16:29:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 21 Jul 2002 23:29:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 97194 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2002 23:29:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2002 23:29:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2002 23:29:25 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.46]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 19:28:04 -0400 Message-ID: <005001c2310e$7ac92160$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Sencore SG80 Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 19:29:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 To all- There is a Sencore SG80 on ebay. I have the high bid on it right now- PLEASE- let me win this- it is vital for what I have planned. I have no more stations in my area to test radios with. Thanks! CC From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sun Jul 21 18:22:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 22 Jul 2002 01:22:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 93766 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2002 01:22:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2002 01:22:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf09bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.149) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2002 01:22:56 -0000 Received: from juan ([68.17.215.155]) by imf09bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020722012428.XSCM1189.imf09bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 21:24:28 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01c2311e$50ec0460$af78fea9@juan> To: References: <005001c2310e$7ac92160$0101a8c0@pavilion> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sencore SG80 Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 21:22:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good Luck Chris ! ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher Cuff To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 7:29 PM Subject: {AMSF} Sencore SG80 To all- There is a Sencore SG80 on ebay. I have the high bid on it right now- PLEASE- let me win this- it is vital for what I have planned. I have no more stations in my area to test radios with. Thanks! CC Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sun Jul 21 18:24:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 22 Jul 2002 01:24:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 97300 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2002 01:24:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2002 01:24:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf09bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.149) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2002 01:24:26 -0000 Received: from juan ([68.17.215.155]) by imf09bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020722012558.XSZO1189.imf09bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 21:25:58 -0400 Message-ID: <001601c2311e$86c088e0$af78fea9@juan> To: References: <031601c23105$433772a0$aed63fd1@kredding430cdt> <001601c2310a$22cd2960$0101a8c0@pavilion> Subject: Re: {AMSF} SRF=42 on eBay Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 21:24:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree....Time to kick some a** , we will not go down without a fight ! ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher Cuff To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 6:58 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} SRF=42 on eBay I will be listing a pantload of rare AM stereo radios, as well as a new SRF 42....I am also letting my super rare Sony Coca-Cola SRFA1 go- This was only sold in Canada, and is a choice piece... now, if "someone" sees a lot of bids...... like I said- "bid early, bid often" Now, don't worry that I am selling the farm- well, actually I am, but it is to pay for the Alfredo Lite boards which are being plated right now. I just got in a bunch of the SA602 IC's, so I'm all set there. There are now 22 people waiting for "lites"..... F*** OFF IBOC! "let's roll...." CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin - Mesa, Arizona Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun Jul 21 20:29:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 22 Jul 2002 03:29:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 18683 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2002 03:29:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2002 03:29:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2002 03:29:35 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d77-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.109]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g6M3TYT87204 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 20:29:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <03f001c2312f$201583a0$aed63fd1@kredding430cdt> To: Subject: AZ Stereo Bandscan Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 20:23:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Heard on a Chris Cuff Delco radio modified for AM stereo: 670 KLTT Commerce City, CO REL 710 KUET Black Canyon City, AZ NOS and finally in stereo on both channels! 790 KABC Los Angeles, CA NWS 820 WBAP Ft. Worth, TX NWSTLK 970 KVWM Show Low, AZ OLD 1050 XEG Monterrey, Nuevo Leon, Mexico, RAN 1070 KNX Los Angeles, CA NWS 1080 KRLD Dallas, TX NWSTLK 1400 KSUN Phoenix, AZ MEX AC Has the PLL thing fixed. Pilot only. 1540 XEHOS Hermosillo, Sonora, Mexico MEX AC 1620 WTAW College Station, TX NWSTLK 1630 KKWY Fox Farms, WY C&W 1650 KBJD Denver, CO REL with jammer on top.... 1670 KNRO Redding, CA SPT 1680 KAVT Fresno, CA KID 1690 KADZ Arvada, CO KID 1700 KTBK Dallas, TX SPT ...What are you hearing? Kevin This message has been composed of recycled electrons. None of these electrons has been harmed or injured in the creation and transmission of this message but they have been shamelessly exploited for this use. From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun Jul 21 21:00:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 22 Jul 2002 04:00:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 22638 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2002 04:00:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2002 04:00:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2002 04:00:36 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d77-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.109]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g6M40ZT87902 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 21:00:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <040c01c23133$5fcf27e0$aed63fd1@kredding430cdt> To: Subject: 99-325 Reply to Comments Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 20:53:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Gentlemen, This is to reply to comments made by iBiquity, Susquehanna and other corporations made concerning AM IBOC. I have read ALL the comments on this issue. It appears that the corporate bodies are attempting to force IBOC on a general public that do not care for nor do they want IBOC. I have spoken to a number of people in my circle of influence and have noted that none, thats ZERO have expressed any interest in IBOC until they consider what it will entail. When they consider that their radios, tuners and other receiving equipment will be obsoleted, they get downright angry. Many have concerns that reception of digital signals will be as poor as cell phone reception with its many drop outs and inability to sync lock on a signal. The major error and problem is that people DO NOT want to obsolete many hundreds and in some cases thousands of dollars of equipment. Why didn't iBiquity and Susquehanna and others consider that they would get a LOT of inertia in using the FCC to FORCE people to scrap their equipment and NOT create a new system with a legacy keeping the current analog equipments usable. I truly hope that the sage minds at the FCC can see clearly that all the corporations want this and the people who commented clearly DO NOT want IBOC. I hope that the FCC will remember and keep in mind that they are the servants of the people and their desires and not the servants of the corporate bodies and their desires. I must again say, I am NOT in favor of any system that obsoletes billions of dollars of receiving apparatuses forcing the customer to purchase new receivers that he does not want nor need. Thank You, Kevin Redding Mesa, Arizona This message has been composed of recycled electrons. None of these electrons has been harmed or injured in the creation and transmission of this message but they have been shamelessly exploited for this use. From philipr@irac.pe.ca Mon Jul 22 05:17:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 22 Jul 2002 12:17:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 23209 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2002 12:17:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2002 12:17:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2002 12:17:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2002 12:17:47 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:17:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: letter to CCrane Co Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 3127 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Kevin - thank you for trying to shake us out of the occasional bouts=20 of apathy we all have from time to time. I emailed CCRadio before=20 RE: AM Stereo, and just got a "canned Dear John letter" in reply.=20=20 This time I addressed it to Chris Justice, their top engineer, in=20 the hope he will actually read it, start tinkering, and take it to=20 the "Boss" with dollar signs dancing merrily! Phil Attn: Chris Justice, CCRANE CO =20 Dear Chris Justice: =20 I have just reviewed your website and your impressive selection of=20 innovative products. However, there is one rather obvious gap in=20 your product line, and that is an AM Stereo receiver. =20 I'm sure you have probably tried experimenting with a CCRadio plus,=20 installing a wideband filter, and feeding its IF output into an AM=20 Stereo decoder. If you have not, you may wish to give it a try, and=20 your ears a real treat! =20 While the CCRadio plus has a useful narrow bandwidth for extreme dx=20 listening, it certainly would be possible to provide a switchable=20 bandwidth for a choice of fidelity v. extreme dx. The GE SR III=20 already does this, quite successfully in an analogue display radio=20 offering a choice between narrowband dx mode and wideband AMAX=20 reception for strong signals, allowing excellent reception of music=20 as well as voice. Here in the office, most of my co-workers cannot=20 tell the difference between AMAX AM and regular FM. Offering the=20 CCRadio with two, or better yet, three switchable IF filters=20 [perhaps 4 khz bandwidth for extreme dx, 8 khz for regular dx and=20 18khz for hi-fidelity reception of strong signals] would help it to=20 remain competitive in the marketplace. Offering AM Stereo =96 even=20 just on headphone output, would provide a great new feature many=20 people would like to see if they are going to spend some serious=20 cash on a new radio. =20 I would also suggest that CCrane explore the idea of marketing an AM=20 Stereo table radio and an AM Stereo boombox. Given the current=20 demand for well crafted replicas of vintage radios, a wood cased=20 replica of a classic tube style table radio, with two side mount=20 speakers and AM Stereo and FM Stereo would make a nice product sure=20 to appear in the offices of many executives world-wide. It would=20 also make an eye [and ear] catching radio to be proudly displayed in=20 fine homes around the world. =20 Just to demonstrate the demand for AM Stereo products, and the price=20 people are willing to pay for them =96 check out this link for a Sony=20 SRF-42 on eBay. These used to retail for around $30.00. Now look=20 at the number of bids and the price =96 with several days left to go! =20 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D1367341708 =20 Not convinced? Want to do some market research? Sure =96 why not!=20=20 Why not put a modified narrow/wide switchable bandwidth CCRadio Plus=20 with AM Stereo headphone output on eBay =96 and watch someone pay two,=20 three or four times what the regular CCRadio Plus retails for. =20 If you have any questions, please feel free to ask! =20 Thanks for your kind attention to these suggestions. =20 Phil Rafuse Stratford PE Canada From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Mon Jul 22 05:30:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 22 Jul 2002 12:30:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 18033 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2002 12:30:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2002 12:30:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.32.181.96) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2002 12:30:05 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 05:30:05 -0700 Received: from 208.228.96.20 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:30:04 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} letter to CCrane Co Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 08:30:04 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jul 2002 12:30:05.0085 (UTC) FILETIME=[81F4FCD0:01C2317B] From: "Chris Cuff" X-Originating-IP: [208.228.96.20] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059 I will also send Chris Justice a free decoder to play with- as long as he requests one. Once he gets your message, if you get a reply, tell him to email me. I will not just blindly send him one- I did this with Bose, and didn't even get the courtesy of an acknowledgement. Chris _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From philipr@irac.pe.ca Mon Jul 22 06:05:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 22 Jul 2002 13:05:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 96269 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2002 13:05:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2002 13:05:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2002 13:05:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2002 13:05:18 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:05:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} letter to CCrane Co Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 796 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Thanks Chris - I've already emailed Chris Justice to this effect. Phil P.S. I can't believe the great sound on the Alfredo Lite - no wonder its so popular! Seems like there are some folks in Victor NY that are missing out on something big. Oh well, that's their problem! --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Chris Cuff" wrote: > I will also send Chris Justice a free decoder to play with- as long as he > requests one. Once he gets your message, if you get a reply, tell him to > email me. > I will not just blindly send him one- I did this with Bose, and didn't even > get the courtesy of an acknowledgement. > Chris > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From amfmdx@fastq.com Mon Jul 22 08:27:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 22 Jul 2002 15:27:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 27987 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2002 15:27:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2002 15:27:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2002 15:27:40 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d8-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.40]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g6MFRcT95322 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 08:27:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <04f401c23194$47018d00$aed63fd1@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} letter to CCrane Co Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 08:27:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Kevin - thank you for trying to shake us out of the occasional bouts > of apathy we all have from time to time. No Phil, the thanks goes to you for writing. I hope that the letters find their mark. Kevin From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Jul 22 09:15:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 22 Jul 2002 16:15:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 17579 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2002 16:15:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2002 16:15:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11704.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2002 16:15:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20020722161522.75075.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.34.247] by web11704.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:15:22 PDT Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:15:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: The Team format in Canada To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio From www.fybush.com: The big news from Ontario is the demise of the CHUM Group's "Team" sports format, at least in the Peterborough market: CKPT (1420) dumped the format last Thursday (July 18), the Peterborough Examiner reported, to return to the adult standards it was playing before launching the Team a little over a year ago. The format has been plagued by poor ratings at flagship CHUM (1050 Toronto) and other outlets across Canada; it's being retooled with more local hosts, and we wouldn't be surprised to see it disappear from other smaller markets (such as Halifax and Kingston) in the months to come. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Jul 22 09:40:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 22 Jul 2002 16:40:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 36757 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2002 16:40:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2002 16:40:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2002 16:40:05 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn23.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.27]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 10:40:05 -0600 To: Subject: New AMS Coming! Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 10:39:57 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Hi gang I couldn't wait to get to the shop this morning to tell everyone about my exciting weekend in Price, Utah. Why? Well here's the scoop. I went to Price to do some engineering work for the stations there that my former boss owns. He'll be my boss again soon...I'll be returning soon to work at KEVA here in Evanston. Anyways...KRPX (now KSLL) 1080 went the whole 9 yards when they went stereo years ago. Even bought 2 Moseley STL's to get the signal over to the transmitter. We're talking the nice brown-faced Motorola C-Quam modulation monitor in the studio and a model 1400 Stereo Exciter down at the transmitter shack. Nice CRL Matrix-style processor on the transmitter end and in the studio a CRL Stereo preparation processor. They have manuals for EVERYTHING! It's all there. Well after discussions with my old boss...since they can't afford to buy another STL for KSLL, he said I could go ahead and swap the mono processing gear that's currently at KEVA here in Evanston and put in it at KSLL....and then take all the stereo gear and install it here in Evanston! So soon KEVA 1240 AM will be KEVA 1240 AM STEREO! Now then....my agenda...later today I'll be taking out the mono processing equipment from KEVA and temprarily install a Marti complimiter (just to have SOMETHING). Then tomorrow I'll drive down to Price and install the mono gear there and then take the stereo processors and the stereo exciter. I'm thinking MAYBE later down the road I can work on getting the modulation monitor. I could take KEVA's mono modulation monitor down there but I don't have a crystal to change it from 1240 to 1080. And likewise that will also be the only delay in getting KEVA in stereo. The crystal to change the exciter from 1080 to 1240. Bob Carter....question directly for you here. You have a McMartin BA-1k for your backup transmitter. That's our main transmitter here at KEVA. Just want to make sure this will be an easy install. I'm guessing the crystals are located right inside the front panel that opens outward on the front of the transmitter. Any other suggestions for this McMartin? Sorry about the lengthiness....I just couldn't wait to spread the news. ANOTHER new AM STEREO station on the air. Gotta love it! I seriously can't wait :) KEVA is Classic Country by the way. Same exact satellite network that KKWY in Cheyenne (Fox Farm) runs. Plus I'll get to hear it all first hand as I will probably be doing the morning show on KEVA shortly. LOVE all that separation!!!! MJR (excited) in WYO! From groucho@skyweb.net Mon Jul 22 10:28:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 22 Jul 2002 17:28:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 5661 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2002 17:28:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2002 17:28:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2002 17:28:54 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6MHYJIQ017701 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:34:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D3C3FE7.49A7149D@skyweb.net> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:24:55 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Fwd: car radios References: From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Russ Just make sure you have an Isolator on that tower so I can put up my 440 repeater up there also...... I have to make a trip out to the Island this week what day you Going out there.. is the second Tower going up where the old Tower is? and is B103 moving over to the New Tower???? Neal-CE WTTM rjskadl wrote: > ccuff wrote: > > >......I finished the conversion for Russell on the famous > Ford "Chicklet" > > YES!!! Thank you so much Chris. You totally just made my whole > weekend. I can't wait to get the radio back! I just started a new > job where I have to be in early, it is a long drive as well so now I > will be able to enjoy music on WICC in AM Stereo. > > Now if only there was an AM Stereo station on Long Island. Mike and > I are working on it. If I can get my hands on a BE AM-1 Stereo card > and or an external exciter that will work with a Harriss SX-1 then we > will have it made. > > Thanks again Chris! I'll take pictures of the radio in my dashboard > and post them. > > Also, WLUX is undrgoing a power increase from non-directional 250 > watts to directional 1100 watts. Tower #2 is currently under > construction. I am stopping out every couple of days to take > pictures and keep up to date on the progress. It is going to be a > massive self supported tower. I am going to post the pictures on the > internet, either as a sub page of the funshow page or as part of > LIRadio.com. When it is up I'll send you guys the links. It is cool > stuff. > > -Russ > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Mon Jul 22 10:29:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 22 Jul 2002 17:29:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 87460 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2002 17:29:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2002 17:29:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2002 17:29:35 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6MHYrIQ017813 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:34:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D3C4008.A3D92F30@skyweb.net> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:25:28 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTB IBOC WARNING..... References: <17e.b5299a6.2a6b10ad@aol.com> From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was only kidding about them Testing On your Station.. But I was serious when I say they did Run IBOC tests On my Harris -DX10 So I guess I am the only one here that has had a run in with IBOC on here so far... KC4QLP@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/20/02 10:03:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > groucho@skyweb.net writes: > > << Hey Bob > I have a friend who works For lucent.. on the IBOC project..... > word is after WOR.... WGAI is Next in line for testing.... > Whats your boss thinking????????>> > > I'd say he would have been sucking too many microwaves from out the > end of > the wave guide at the network up-link center if that were the > case...LOL > > << JUST KIDDING.... they already tested on My station.. I dont want to > be > the only one in here that had a run in with IBOC....... > > Neal >> > Thank God you are only kidding....of course now IF this causes me to > have > IBOC nightmares.....hehehehe...Jersey and NY is really a short drive > from > here...LOL > > Bob Carter > Operations/Engineering > > WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 > Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio > > Network > > Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with > engineering > services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. > e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com > http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice > Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC > WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC > WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC > > AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- > amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com > > amstereo-subcribe@topica.com > amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > > NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS > > KC4QLP Amateur Radio > Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va > www.kc4qlp.cjb.net > > voice contact-252-335-0856 > fax 1-209-254-8978 > _______________________________________________________ > > WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Mon Jul 22 11:21:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 22 Jul 2002 18:21:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 44515 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2002 18:21:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2002 18:21:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2002 18:21:31 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 3.103.18a3aa9c (4238); Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:21:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <103.18a3aa9c.2a6da729@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:21:29 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AMS Coming! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: michaelj@vcn.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 7/22/02 12:40:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, michaelj@vcn.com writes: << Bob Carter....question directly for you here. You have a McMartin BA-1k for your backup transmitter. That's our main transmitter here at KEVA. Just want to make sure this will be an easy install. I'm guessing the crystals are located right inside the front panel that opens outward on the front of the transmitter. Any other suggestions for this McMartin? >> Congrats Michael on getting the ball rolling on getting another station back in C-QUAM mode! As far as the McMartin is concerned the exciter as you have found is located on the inside of the front door that lowers down. a few screws are removable to allow you to gain access to the under side of the exciter for soldering.{its on a niffy hinge}The way this exciter works is that it uses a crystal that is either 2x or 4x the operating frequency. In your case..it will be using a crystal that is twice the operating freqency = 2480khz to give you 1240khz. The chip-IC 1 "MC7473" can be set up for a divide by 2 or divide by 4 using pins 8 for divide by 4 and pin 13 for divide by 2 to determine the operating frequency. Now knowing that,you can simply perform a small modification...install a small toggle switch {single pole double throw will work} and install a BNC connector for your C-QUAM RF input into this board somewhere very close to this chip.Long leads of wire and cable will not work to well here.A small resistor is connected from the ground trace to the center pin of the BNC to keep everything stable ...without the resistor,the RF stage in the McMartins exciter will do one and or two things,it will cause the RF stages to oscillate - and - the resistor serves to attenuate the RF coming from the C-QUAM exciter so that Q-4 is not over driven, I cant see what the value of the resistor is right at the moment and the digital mulitmeter goes nuts in the high RF field...I'll break out the soldering iron in a bit...pull it out and measure it that way. The toggle switch simply switches the C-QUAM exciters RF to the base of Q-4 {2N2102} while it switches the output of IC-1 out of the circuit by opening the trace from {in your case} pin 13 to the base of Q-4. Its a fairly simply mod....One thing you might notice is that the RF drive with the C-QUAM exciter on might be a little bit lower than it would be with the mono exciter.{this will vary from set-up to set-up} The overall power out of the McMartin exciter is somewhere in the neighborhood of 40 watts Just be sure to run enough drive so that you wont have the incidental phase problem....its not noticable with a pilot tripped receiver,but if you have an SRF-42 or any other forced mode receiver,you'll hear it in the form of hash.Also be sure to keep plently of fresh 4-400 or 4-500 on hand...which ever your McMartin is using {some were modified in the field to use 4-400's over the 4-500}...When the tubes start getting soft,the sound quality of your stereo signal will start to degrade. Are you using the graphite or metal plate tubes? It depends on the transmitter....some will operate fine with the graphite tubes..while others operate poorly {low modulation,low RF and the like}I've found some old RCA's are tempermental like this as well. The best tube combo I've found for the McMartin here is..metal plate tubes for the modulator and graphites in the RF.My tube life is longer and the box runs a lot cooler. Also just to note...the good folks at Goodrich recommend to NOT run the exciters output at full bore..but to run it at 85 to 90%.Q-6 will last longer with the slightly reduced power level. If you do not have a schematic and the like..let me know ...I'll photo copy mine and send it out to you. I'll get that resistor value to you as well. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Jul 22 11:49:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 22 Jul 2002 18:49:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 97827 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2002 18:49:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2002 18:49:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2002 18:49:08 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn23.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.27]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:49:08 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} New AMS Coming! Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:49:01 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <103.18a3aa9c.2a6da729@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Bob! I dropped ya a line off-list so we don't clutter up the list with tube-talk :) Michael -----Original Message----- From: KC4QLP@aol.com [mailto:KC4QLP@aol.com] Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 12:21 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: michaelj@vcn.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AMS Coming! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From philipr@irac.pe.ca Mon Jul 22 12:07:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 22 Jul 2002 19:07:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 55431 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2002 19:07:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2002 19:07:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2002 19:07:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2002 19:07:25 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 19:07:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: The Team format in Canada Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020722161522.75075.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1143 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking I should try to keep an ear on CJCH Halifax - maybe they'll adopt an=20 Adult Standards or smooth Jazz format in stereo - at approximately=20 400,000 people, the recently enlarged City of Halifax could probably=20 support such a format - especially since CHUM and Newcap have a 5=20 station LMA! Phil --- In amstereoforum@y..., JNR wrote: > From www.fybush.com: >=20 > The big news from Ontario is the demise of the > CHUM Group's "Team" sports format, at least in > the > Peterborough market: CKPT (1420) dumped the > format last Thursday (July 18), the Peterborough > Examiner=A0reported, to return to the adult > standards it was playing before launching the > Team a little over a year ago. The format has > been plagued by poor ratings at flagship CHUM > (1050 Toronto) and other outlets across Canada; > it's being retooled with more local hosts, and we > wouldn't be surprised to see it disappear from > other smaller markets (such as Halifax and > Kingston) in the months to come. >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > http://health.yahoo.com From narkspud@hotmail.com Mon Jul 22 12:32:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 22 Jul 2002 19:32:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 40489 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2002 19:32:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2002 19:32:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2002 19:32:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2002 19:32:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 19:32:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: ROTFLMAO @ I-DAB Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 504 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud Maybe I've just been too wrapped up in myself to notice it before, but I just dropped by http://www.ibiquity.com and was treated to an amusing and scary shockwave (or something) presentation about "I-DAB", the new Ibiquity Digital Audio Broadcasting technology (which we've been naively calling IBOC). There's more to it than "near FM quality sound"--oh so much more!! If you haven't experienced this little piece of puffery, then by all means stop what you're doing and check it out! narkspud From amfmdx@fastq.com Mon Jul 22 12:40:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 22 Jul 2002 19:40:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 478 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2002 19:40:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2002 19:40:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2002 19:40:55 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d220-osel-phx.fastq.com [207.173.146.81]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g6MJerT04814 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:40:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <057801c231b7$4db0be00$aed63fd1@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AMS Coming! Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:38:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > He'll be my boss again soon...I'll be returning soon to work at KEVA > here in Evanston. Anyways...KRPX (now KSLL) 1080 went the whole 9 yards > when they went stereo years ago. I was hoping you would say that KRPX would fire it back up because I can hear them sometimes. I am happy for KEVA though. This will add one station to the stereo list and thats a great thing! Kevin From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Jul 22 13:30:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 22 Jul 2002 20:30:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 63771 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2002 20:30:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2002 20:30:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2002 20:30:36 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.34]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 16:28:59 -0400 Message-ID: <005401c231be$aa652da0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Team format in Canada Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 16:30:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 YES!!! Now to get CHUM back to oldies in (((Stereo))) CC ----- Original Message ----- From: tubesareking To: Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 3:07 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: The Team format in Canada From fanfare@globility.com Mon Jul 22 13:31:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 22 Jul 2002 20:31:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 97474 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2002 20:31:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2002 20:31:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2002 20:31:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2002 20:31:28 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 20:31:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: ROTFLMAO @ I-DAB Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1444 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amfmguy" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.235.124 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy I was born a radio brat. My Mom and Dad performed on radio. As a youngster, you might say I represent the kid in Ibiquity's flash (pardon the pun). I listened to radio until TV arrived, and then some. When Elvis arrived, we all went back to radio to listen to him. My point? During that time, radio was AM and it turned heads because of content, clarity and uniqueness of its programming. Later good FM tuners turned heads because they made the station sound good, although the programming sometimes suffered. The same will apply to IBOC receivers. However, as we all know, there is one major flaw in their plan. They studiously avoid the truth about what is the downside and who in the radio business will have to pay the price. If any of you recall it, the movie "Ohm" seems to have more than a little familiarity with the IBOC story. M. --- In amstereoforum@y..., "narkspud" wrote: > Maybe I've just been too wrapped up in myself to notice it before, > but I just dropped by http://www.ibiquity.com and was treated to > an amusing and scary shockwave (or something) presentation > about "I-DAB", the new Ibiquity Digital Audio Broadcasting > technology (which we've been naively calling IBOC). There's > more to it than "near FM quality sound"--oh so much more!! If > you haven't experienced this little piece of puffery, then by all > means stop what you're doing and check it out! > > narkspud From philipr@irac.pe.ca Mon Jul 22 13:31:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 22 Jul 2002 20:31:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 55986 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2002 20:31:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2002 20:31:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2002 20:31:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2002 20:31:42 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 20:31:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: ROTFLMAO @ I-DAB Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1364 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.166.158.71 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Hmmm - let's see now, please explain to the public [and your shareholders] how people around the world can listen to I-DAB a.k.a. IBOC when only the USA is flirting with this system, while the rest of planet earth looks to Eureka 147 to satisfy its digital cravings. Eureka 147 has been available here for a couple years or so, yet who has a receiver? While the initial buzz was that it would replace AM and FM, now the talk is that it will "compliment AM and FM" - in effect, a third band. Eureka 147 does make great sense for the urban, concrete jungle. AM and FM make great sense for suburbia, rural areas and long distance listening. As for the audio sample clips - it assumes a narrow band mono AM receiver, and a fringe multipath plagued FM signal. Phil --- In amstereoforum@y..., "narkspud" wrote: > Maybe I've just been too wrapped up in myself to notice it before, > but I just dropped by http://www.ibiquity.com and was treated to > an amusing and scary shockwave (or something) presentation > about "I-DAB", the new Ibiquity Digital Audio Broadcasting > technology (which we've been naively calling IBOC). There's > more to it than "near FM quality sound"--oh so much more!! If > you haven't experienced this little piece of puffery, then by all > means stop what you're doing and check it out! > > narkspud From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Jul 22 13:39:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 22 Jul 2002 20:39:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 16316 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2002 20:39:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2002 20:39:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2002 20:39:05 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn92.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.96]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:39:05 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} New AMS Coming! Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:38:56 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <057801c231b7$4db0be00$aed63fd1@kredding430cdt> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I did think of you Kevin when I was out there. Especially when I found out that their regular power is 10,000 watts. I figured if they ever WERE (and probably were at one time) at the full 10,000 you might be able to hear them down there...maybe late in the day or so. Problem is, they are a daytimer with "critical hours"....so 2 hours after sunrise and 2 hours before sunset, they have to go to 5kw....and then OFF at sunset and on again at 5kw at sunrise. I imagine at one time they were manned for all the hours they were on the air and somebody did actually turn up the power to the full 10kw at the right times. Right now they just sign on at 5kw and stay that way all day...so no one has to pay attention to the "critical hours". Just sign it on at sunrise, and sign it off at sunset. I'm really excited about KEVA because I never EVER thought we'd be able to do it because we don't have any stereo processing. That's why I had never even entertained the thought of getting a stereo exciter for KEVA because I knew it wouldn't do any good without stereo processing. But this is a deal I never thought would happen....so I'm pretty pumped about it. I've already had a couple of people ask me about it. "Wow! Does this mean the AM will sound as good as the FM?" My response: "The AM already DOES sound just about as good as FM. It's the RADIOS that make it sound like crap." And since this one's gonna probably be my baby, rest assured...I WILL make sure "AM STEREO" is included in the logo and promoted all over the air every time there's a liner! MJR n WYO -----Original Message----- From: Kevin - Mesa, Arizona [mailto:amfmdx@fastq.com] Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 1:38 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AMS Coming! > He'll be my boss again soon...I'll be returning soon to work at KEVA > here in Evanston. Anyways...KRPX (now KSLL) 1080 went the whole 9 yards > when they went stereo years ago. I was hoping you would say that KRPX would fire it back up because I can hear them sometimes. I am happy for KEVA though. This will add one station to the stereo list and thats a great thing! Kevin Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From badlhoch@hotmail.com Mon Jul 22 15:05:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: badlhoch@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 22 Jul 2002 22:05:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 76502 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2002 22:05:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2002 22:05:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.217) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2002 22:05:23 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:05:23 -0700 Received: from 68.41.208.108 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 22:05:23 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Team format in Canada Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 18:05:23 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jul 2002 22:05:23.0551 (UTC) FILETIME=[E090E6F0:01C231CB] From: "Bill Adlhoch" X-Originating-IP: [68.41.208.108] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59104360 why not the enthusiam for stereo talk radio? lots of FM talk stations now and they are all in stereo ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Christopher Cuff" Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Team format in Canada Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 16:30:47 -0400 YES!!! Now to get CHUM back to oldies in (((Stereo))) CC ----- Original Message ----- From: tubesareking To: Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 3:07 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: The Team format in Canada _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Jul 22 16:21:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 22 Jul 2002 23:21:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 46091 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2002 23:21:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2002 23:21:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2002 23:21:24 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn12.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.16]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 17:21:24 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} New AMS Coming! Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 17:21:16 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As per Scott Todd's suggestion last December, I just sent an email to Cinox crystals....the manufacturer of the crystals that are in most (if not all) of Motorola's C-Quam exciters. Hopefully they'll have the specs and the crystal and be able to get me one pronto without having to wait 6 weeks. I'll have the exciter here on my bench by this time tomorrow :) Getting closer to KEVA 1240 AM Stereo. MJR n WYO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Mon Jul 22 17:57:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 23 Jul 2002 00:57:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 62578 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2002 00:57:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2002 00:57:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 00:57:28 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6N12ovn090468 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 21:02:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D3CA907.F6C29572@skyweb.net> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 20:53:27 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AMS Coming! References: From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Michael can you pass along that info For Cinox crystals Neal "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > As per Scott Todd's suggestion last December, I just sent an email to > Cinox > crystals....the manufacturer of the crystals that are in most (if not > all) > of Motorola's C-Quam exciters. Hopefully they'll have the specs and > the > crystal and be able to get me one pronto without having to wait 6 > weeks. > I'll have the exciter here on my bench by this time tomorrow :) > Getting > closer to KEVA 1240 AM Stereo. > MJR n WYO > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jul 22 18:10:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 23 Jul 2002 01:10:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 88814 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2002 01:10:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2002 01:10:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 01:10:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2002 01:10:22 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 01:10:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: ROTFLMAO @ I-DAB Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 635 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > If you haven't experienced this little piece of puffery, then by > all means stop what you're doing and check it out! That's nothing compared to what we should do to promote AM Stereo... a six-minute musical presentation, spelling out its features and benefits all in carefully rhymed lyrics, that is basically one huge PAMS jingle! Here's my inspiration, from GE in 1973.... http://rvcc2.raritanval.edu/ktek9053/ge.ram Listen with RealPlayer, and be prepared for a combination of nostalgia and amusement! BTW, if you want the lyrics for this, and some background info: http://www.incorrectmusic.com/lyrics/theanswer.php3 From fanfare@globility.com Mon Jul 22 18:20:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 23 Jul 2002 01:20:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 74932 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2002 01:20:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2002 01:20:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 01:20:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2002 01:20:23 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 01:20:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: The Team format in Canada Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1770 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amfmguy" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.235.124 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy Hi Bill: With the exception of CBC-1, stereo talk on FM is pretty much a given in Canada, is it not. The CHUM situation was brought about by a format change that was catering to an awakened sports market. The Toronto Maple Leafs were headed for the Stanley Cup, the Raptors were kickin' butt. And 2 out of three ain't bad. Unfortunately, a stereo pilot seems to be considered as having a light on that no one is using, so they turned it off. I still think stereo gives everything dimension, especially feeds from a home ball park or hockey arena. The vexing problem for CHUM must be that "AM740" with its 40's - 60's "oldies" took over the CBC farm just west of Toronto and is now kickin' butt. Personally, I did not enjoy the mix on CHUM's oldies, and I daresay others didn't either. Perhaps that's why 740 is so popular. Now, as CC would say, if we can only get them thinking Stereo. Me, I say let's get their listeners thinking stereo too. M. --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Bill Adlhoch" wrote: > why not the enthusiam for stereo talk radio? > > lots of FM talk stations now and they are all in stereo > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Christopher Cuff" > Reply-To: amstereoforum@y... > To: > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Team format in Canada > Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 16:30:47 -0400 > > YES!!! Now to get CHUM back to oldies in (((Stereo))) > CC > ----- Original Message ----- > From: tubesareking > To: > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 3:07 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: The Team format in Canada > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From KC4QLP@aol.com Mon Jul 22 18:57:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 23 Jul 2002 01:57:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 74531 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2002 01:57:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2002 01:57:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r03.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.99) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 01:57:11 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.1ab.5815272 (3311) for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 21:57:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1ab.5815272.2a6e11ef@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 21:57:03 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTB IBOC WARNING..... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 7/22/02 1:30:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, groucho@skyweb.net writes: << I was only kidding about them Testing On your Station.. But I was serious when I say they did Run IBOC tests On my Harris -DX10 So I guess I am the only one here that has had a run in with IBOC on here so far... >> lol..I'm glad you were only kidding! How did your station get so unlucky to have been a testing station for IBOC? Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms." Your message (if actually mailed) is in violation of the Federal Telephone Consumer Protection Act of 1991, and Collateral Code of Federal Regulations (47 CFR 64.1200). The TCPA allows a private right of action against the sender of unsolicited advertising. The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From groucho@skyweb.net Mon Jul 22 19:09:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 23 Jul 2002 02:09:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 67655 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2002 02:09:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2002 02:09:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 02:09:28 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6N2Exvn002675 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 22:14:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D3CB9EF.8A918E05@skyweb.net> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 22:05:35 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTB IBOC WARNING..... References: <1ab.5815272.2a6e11ef@aol.com> From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wish I knew.. I took over as Chief Engineer on May 1st when the company I work For bought it.. the person who knows that is Mick Rapieer the engineer for Nassau broadcasting... KC4QLP@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/22/02 1:30:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > groucho@skyweb.net writes: > > << I was only kidding about them Testing On your Station.. But I was > serious when I say they did Run IBOC tests On my Harris -DX10 > So I guess I am the only one here that has had a run in with IBOC on > > here so far... >> > lol..I'm glad you were only kidding! How did your station get so > unlucky to > have been a testing station for IBOC? > > Bob Carter > Operations/Engineering > > WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 > Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio > > Network > > Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with > engineering > services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. > e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com > http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice > Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC > WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC > WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC > > AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- > amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com > > amstereo-subcribe@topica.com > amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > > NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS > > KC4QLP Amateur Radio > Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va > www.kc4qlp.cjb.net > > voice contact-252-335-0856 > fax 1-209-254-8978 > _______________________________________________________ > > WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, > Chapter > 5, Subchapter II, > "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is > subject to a > download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance > of > these terms." > Your message (if actually mailed) is in violation of the Federal > Telephone > Consumer Protection Act of 1991, and Collateral Code of Federal > Regulations > (47 CFR 64.1200). The TCPA allows a private right of action against > the > sender of unsolicited advertising. The recipient can sue for $500, or > actualdamages (whichever is greater). > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------- > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jul 22 19:16:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 23 Jul 2002 02:16:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 94175 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2002 02:16:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2002 02:16:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 02:16:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2002 02:16:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 02:16:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WTTB IBOC WARNING..... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D3CB9EF.8A918E05@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 577 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I wish I knew.. I took over as Chief Engineer on May 1st when the > company I work For bought it.. the person who knows that is Mick > Rapieer the engineer for Nassau broadcasting... As I was told by the head of engineering at Nassau, they were approached to test IBOC-AM and IBOC-FM. IBOC-FM was tested at 97.5 WPST in Trenton, NJ for a while. On the AM side, they were told it was only compatible with a *non-directional* station using a Harris DX-series transmitter, so 1680 WTTM's non-directional Harris DX-10 was the only choice in their group of AM stations. From dav259@csiro.au Mon Jul 22 19:22:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 23 Jul 2002 02:22:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 24530 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2002 02:22:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2002 02:22:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 02:22:57 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28243 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:22:55 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:22:55 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: talk stations Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public I fail to see why any talk station shouldn't be in stereo. Talk 1116 3AK resumed stereo after a five month lapse recently - I thought it may have gone forever. But most music playons and fadeouts are in stereo - as is any music played - and now some station promos. Last night they had an hours talk session about the old rock scene in Melbourne and all the music was stereo. It is the way we need to hear this sort of talk stuff. It's just a shame their ads aren't in stereo - as their sister station 3MP's are. 3MP sounds like a fully fledged FM stereo music station - except better! Ian From kfornal@loa.com Mon Jul 22 20:30:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kfornal@loa.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 23 Jul 2002 03:30:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 70214 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2002 03:30:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2002 03:30:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 03:30:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2002 03:30:13 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 03:30:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Sony STR-AV270 Receiver Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 269 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "theradboy" X-Originating-IP: 172.142.90.194 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110312140 X-Yahoo-Profile: theradboy Does anyone know anything about the Sony STR-AV270 Receiver? I have found this one on eBay and was wondering if it is indeed AM Stereo and worth $100 or so? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dllViewItem&item=1366566392&r=0&t=0& showTutorial=0&ed=0&indexURL=0&rd=1 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jul 22 21:56:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 23 Jul 2002 04:56:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 46644 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2002 04:56:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2002 04:56:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 04:56:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2002 04:56:42 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 04:56:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sony STR-AV270 Receiver Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 679 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Does anyone know anything about the Sony STR-AV270 Receiver? I > have found this one on eBay and was wondering if it is indeed AM > Stereo and worth $100 or so? > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1366566392&r=0&t > =0&showTutorial=0&ed=0&indexURL=0&rd=1 Just a tip for when displaying eBay addresses... anything after the item number is irrelevant! In this case, it can be trimmed down to a line-wrapping-friendly size: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1366566392 In any event, unfortunately this is the USA model of this Sony receiver, so it does *not* include AM Stereo capability. The seller mentions this on the auction page. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Jul 22 23:35:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 23 Jul 2002 06:35:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 42196 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2002 06:35:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2002 06:35:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11704.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 06:35:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20020723063514.25221.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.34.247] by web11704.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 23:35:14 PDT Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 23:35:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Incorrect listing To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Apparently I goofed. The A.M. Stereo station I think I heard on 1490 playing Gospel was not WGCD-Chester, S.C. but WVGB-Beaufort, S.C.. I looked on a map and Chester is near Charlotte, nowhere near I-95. It was hard to drive the car and listen for a call. Their audio sucked anyway. Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Jul 23 00:16:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 23 Jul 2002 07:16:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 83496 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2002 07:16:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2002 07:16:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 07:16:25 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.33]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 03:14:50 -0400 Message-ID: <001f01c23218$e2889140$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <3D3CA907.F6C29572@skyweb.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AMS Coming! Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 03:16:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Don't make it more complicated than it needs to be- The Cardinal programmable crystals from Digikey will work just fine, and you can have any freq you want in 2 days. The only thing you need is a +5 volt source for the thing- and there are plenty of places to tap off from in the exciter for that. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Neal Newman To: Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 8:53 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AMS Coming! > Hey Michael can you pass along that info For Cinox crystals > Neal From amstereo@optushome.com.au Tue Jul 23 05:14:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@optushome.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 23 Jul 2002 12:14:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 77871 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2002 12:14:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2002 12:14:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail020.syd.optusnet.com.au) (210.49.20.135) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 12:14:51 -0000 Received: from durocket1200 (c17302.ipswc1.qld.optusnet.com.au [210.49.44.162]) by mail020.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id g6NCEoQ19206 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:14:50 +1000 Message-ID: <006d01c23242$895a9300$1a02a8c0@durocket1200> To: Subject: re: letter to CCrane Co Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:14:47 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "voltare - matt2" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=105920058 X-Yahoo-Profile: voltar_e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i sent them this little diddy Hi, Matt from aus, i've just been on the ebay website again, i'm watching the auction of am stereo products on there, wether broken or otherwise, and i am apsolutly Amazed at the price these are going for, were taking 300% - 700% the RRP of these items like the SRF-42 amST / FM ST AMAX certified radio, which, when sold last year new, was priced at $29 US and is selling for $49, and $65(this one is still being bidded on - 27 people and counting) What are you missing?, a lot of customers actually still after these, and i'm dead serious, AIWA japan was the only company making AMSTEREO portables, with one of them in my possession costing $405 australian, quite a mint. now sony has bought aiwa japan, and will discontinue am stereo in all future radios, SONY's product quality has slipped so far that sony repair centers claim SONY DVD players to be cheaper quality than china made cheapies that can be picked up at $2 shops, (equivilent to wal-mart). you have a wide open market here, crying out for these radios, and all you need to do is add a few components at a cost of $5 - $10 MAX, and these radios will fetch a significant following (if sold at a reasonable consumer price), try it and see, what have you got to loose, not much, what have you got to claim? a fair bit in my opinion. IBOC digital radio is a flop, the biggest radio ownership, Clear channel, has ditched any chances of incorporating IBOC in it's stations, be it AM or FM. please, AM stations try very hard to sound good, yet there is nothing to make this available to the general public,with the best sounding am radios long gone, it's a technology that many believe is sub standard, incapable and only suited to talk, well guess what, it is VERY capable, Very nice sounding, and brilient. i love it. the people are wanting this, and are willing to pay. I'd like to hear your comments, please give this a mention to anyone you can in order to get the ball rolling. thanks for your time, i know how important it is to you. Matt [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Jul 23 07:41:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 23 Jul 2002 14:41:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 69823 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2002 14:41:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2002 14:41:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 14:41:51 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn68.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.72]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 08:41:51 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} New AMS Coming! Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 08:41:43 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <001f01c23218$e2889140$0101a8c0@pavilion> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM Chris! Now THAT'S an idea :) DEFINITELY will have to check in to that. Thanks! MJR -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Cuff [mailto:ccuff@in4web.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 1:17 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AMS Coming! Don't make it more complicated than it needs to be- The Cardinal programmable crystals from Digikey will work just fine, and you can have any freq you want in 2 days. The only thing you need is a +5 volt source for the thing- and there are plenty of places to tap off from in the exciter for that. CC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Jul 23 07:43:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 23 Jul 2002 14:43:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 80972 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2002 14:43:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2002 14:43:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 14:43:44 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn68.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.72]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 08:43:44 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} New AMS Coming! Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 08:43:36 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3D3CA907.F6C29572@skyweb.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sure Neal I just went to www.cinox.com That's it. Wrote them an email right from there. -----Original Message----- From: Neal Newman [mailto:groucho@skyweb.net] Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 6:53 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AMS Coming! Hey Michael can you pass along that info For Cinox crystals Neal [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From fanfare@globility.com Tue Jul 23 08:01:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 23 Jul 2002 15:01:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 38826 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2002 15:01:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2002 15:01:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 15:01:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2002 15:01:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:01:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Something's happening at CC Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 293 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amfmguy" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.233.126 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy News - Tuesday, July 23, 2002 The biggest job opening in radio history? Clear Channel is searching for a new Radio CEO, as Randy Michaels is segueing immediately to a new job running a newly-created "New Technologies Division." Details in today's M Street Daily. Speculation anyone? From narkspud@hotmail.com Tue Jul 23 09:10:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 23 Jul 2002 16:10:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 70339 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2002 16:10:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2002 16:10:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 16:10:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2002 16:10:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:10:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: TX-11B on eBay went for $278 Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 350 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=13671566 03 So lessee. . .that's $278 for a TX-11b with AM Stereo. And the last three TX-11's WITHOUT AM Stereo went for $125, $76, and $81. Interesting math, eh, Carl Crane??? narkspud (you shoulda heard the swishing sound as the price zoomed right past my maximum feasible bid! Next. . .) From philipr@irac.pe.ca Tue Jul 23 09:24:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 23 Jul 2002 16:24:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 2075 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2002 16:24:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2002 16:24:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 16:24:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2002 16:24:14 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:24:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Possibly useful for a simple AM Stereo receiver? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 454 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking I happened to notice this kit for a simple AM superhet receiver. Just add one of Chris's decoder boards, feed into a nice stereo amp, and voila - AM Stereo! The PC Board looks nice and roomy - easy to tap into the IF output. Some time I may get one of these, build it, a decoder, a canakit stereo amp and some decent speaker drivers into a nice wooden case for an AM Stereo table radio. Phil http://www.qkits.com/serv/qkits/diy/pages/FK712.asp From amfmdx@fastq.com Tue Jul 23 09:39:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 23 Jul 2002 16:39:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 39815 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2002 16:39:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2002 16:39:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 16:39:50 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d184-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.216]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g6NGdmT28252 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:39:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <06c101c23266$ba247680$aed63fd1@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} TX-11B on eBay went for $278 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:33:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Tell CCrane that a 15 year old AM stereo went for $275. Write them Narkspud. Tell them you would buy a new AM stereo unit but don't care for eBay because its uncertain what you will get. WRITE! Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: "narkspud" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 9:10 AM Subject: {AMSF} TX-11B on eBay went for $278 > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=13671566 > 03 > > So lessee. . .that's $278 for a TX-11b with AM Stereo. And the > last three TX-11's WITHOUT AM Stereo went for $125, $76, and > $81. Interesting math, eh, Carl Crane??? > > narkspud (you shoulda heard the swishing sound as the price > zoomed right past my maximum feasible bid! Next. . .) > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From narkspud@hotmail.com Tue Jul 23 09:42:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 23 Jul 2002 16:42:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 81941 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2002 16:42:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2002 16:42:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 16:42:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2002 16:42:29 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:42:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} TX-11B on eBay went for $278 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <06c101c23266$ba247680$aed63fd1@kredding430cdt> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 268 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud Fear ye not, Kevin. I am and I have. narkspud > Tell CCrane that a 15 year old AM stereo went for $275. Write them Narkspud. > Tell them you would buy a new AM stereo unit but don't care for eBay because > its uncertain what you will get. > > WRITE! > > Kevin From KC4QLP@aol.com Tue Jul 23 10:39:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 23 Jul 2002 17:39:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 72736 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2002 17:39:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2002 17:39:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 17:39:16 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 1.7c.2b4ea080 (3311) for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:39:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7c.2b4ea080.2a6eeec0@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:39:12 EDT Subject: A received note about WILD------ To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Some good news regarding WILD in this email that I received today: < > > I'm one of the few with an AM stereo receiver. Actually two, a Sony Walkman > and a Radio Shack add-on home tuner, both from the mid 80's. > > WILD's AM stereo has been messed up lately. It sounds like they're only > sending one audio channel (I think it's the left channel) through both output > channels, so you're only getting one stereo channel of the music in mono, > even though the stereo light is on. > > As well, the right output channel level of this one-channel-input mix is way > down. Perhaps they're only putting the left channel out from their studio, > and some processor is sensing that there's nothing on the right and boosting > some of the left channel onto the right to try to compensate. > > I called their office and suggested an engineer check out the AM stereo. > > WILD and WJIB's daytime signals are the only AM stereos left in Boston. > WJIB's is sounding good. There are none at night. >> > > Hello Eli ! > > How long has this been going on at WILD? and do you have an email address for > this station? > It indeed sounds like something is a bit out of wack from what you describe. > Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From KC4QLP@aol.com Tue Jul 23 10:53:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 23 Jul 2002 17:53:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 9193 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2002 17:53:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2002 17:53:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r01.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.97) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 17:53:57 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.111.15955412 (3311) for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:53:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <111.15955412.2a6ef22d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:53:49 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Something's happening at CC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 7/23/02 11:01:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, fanfare@globility.com writes: << News - Tuesday, July 23, 2002 The biggest job opening in radio history? Clear Channel is searching for a new Radio CEO, as Randy Michaels is segueing immediately to a new job running a newly-created "New Technologies Division." Details in today's M Street Daily. >> Hmmm...its either going to be a radio version of WorldComm {wishful thinking} or Randy Michaels created a higher paying job for himself. No one never knows for sure about anything these days Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From amfmdx@fastq.com Tue Jul 23 11:39:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 23 Jul 2002 18:39:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 38536 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2002 18:39:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2002 18:39:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 18:39:07 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d204-osel-phx.fastq.com [209.63.214.191]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g6NId6T32534 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:39:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <06cf01c23277$36d019e0$aed63fd1@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} TX-11B on eBay went for $278 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:31:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Good man! I hope your boss gives you a big fat raise! ...if you are the boss, give yourself a raise! We all should be bombing CCrane with letters asking for AM stereo. Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: "narkspud" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 9:42 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} TX-11B on eBay went for $278 > Fear ye not, Kevin. I am and I have. > > narkspud From rjskadl@yahoo.com Tue Jul 23 11:41:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 23 Jul 2002 18:41:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 10626 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2002 18:41:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2002 18:41:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 18:41:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2002 18:41:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:41:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT(WLUX New Tower) was=Re: Fwd: car radios Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D3C3FE7.49A7149D@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2270 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 129.49.129.57 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl --- In amstereoforum@y..., Neal Newman wrote: > Hey Russ Just make sure you have an Isolator on that tower so I can > put up my 440 repeater up there also...... Here is the interesting thing Neal. There are no insulators between the concrete slabs and the metal structure of the tower. I have a hunch that this is not going to be a live tower, but rather they will probably be stringing up one of those long cable systems like you see a lot in Florida. > I have to make a trip out to the Island this week what day you Going > out there.. I am not sure exactly what days I'll be going to see the tower. The construction crew seems to be taking their time doing the work so I'll probably stop out every couple of days. I have to go after 4pm though because I don't get out of work till 4pm. Let me know when you will be here on the Island. > is the second Tower going up where the old Tower is? The second tower is going up roughly 450 feet )1/4 wavelength)south of the first tower. The original tower will still be the reference tower. The new tower will be tower #2. Tower #1 is a 62 degree guyed tower. Tower #2 will be the 96 degree self supported tower. Interesting, Huh? > and is B103 > moving over to the New Tower???? I believe it was the original intention for B-103 to move to the new taller tower with 1 or 1.5 kW instead of the 3 kW that they have now, but I am now hearing that they are just going to stay on the older tower now. Barnstable isn't exactly rich, and the company actually had to sell off some of its properties for some quick cash last year. My guess is that they just can't afford the tremendous rent that Spring would be charging them. WLUX apparently isn't paying for the new tower. From what I have heard, Sprint came along and made a deal with the radio station that they would fit the bill for the new tower and in return they would have control over the tower for 30 years. This tower is probably going to be load4ed to the hilt with all kinds of telecom antennas. That is why I am betting they are going to go with the external longwire cable system up the outside of the tower for the AM station. This way the tower itself isn't hot. -Russ > Neal-CE > WTTM From narkspud@hotmail.com Tue Jul 23 14:48:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 23 Jul 2002 21:48:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 91119 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2002 21:48:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2002 21:48:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 21:48:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2002 21:48:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:48:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Intriguing Alliance. . .Disney and Motorola Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 548 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud http://investor.cnet.com/investor/news/newsitem/0-9900-1028-20 178292-0.html Disney and Motorola are hooking up to make consumer electronics products for kids. First up is a cordless phone and a set of 2-way radios, but other products are in development. Radio Disney is in AM Stereo in several markets, including LA. I seem to recall that Motorola has some slight tenuous connection to AM Stereo as well. Anybody know of anybody we should contact about this little opportunity for, ahem, synergy? narkspud (gonna work on this himself) From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Jul 23 17:42:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 24 Jul 2002 00:42:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 88368 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 00:42:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2002 00:42:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 00:42:34 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-95.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.95]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g6O0dOiu027086 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:39:25 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <009e01c232ab$bdd14480$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AMS Coming! Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:47:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude A word of caution- they may not have the frequency precision that the genuine article would have. And the FCC is very picky about that +/- 20Hz tolerance. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael J. Richard" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 9:41 AM Subject: RE: {AMSF} New AMS Coming! > HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM Chris! > Now THAT'S an idea :) > > DEFINITELY will have to check in to that. > Thanks! > > MJR > > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Cuff [mailto:ccuff@in4web.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 1:17 AM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AMS Coming! > > > Don't make it more complicated than it needs to be- The Cardinal > programmable crystals from Digikey will work just fine, and you can have > any > freq you want in 2 days. > The only thing you need is a +5 volt source for the thing- and there are > plenty of places to tap off from in the exciter for that. > CC > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Jul 23 17:50:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 24 Jul 2002 00:50:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 32801 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 00:50:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2002 00:50:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 00:50:32 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-95.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.95]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g6O0lMiu028532 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:47:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00c201c232ac$db18e240$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT(WLUX New Tower) was=Re: Fwd: car radios Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:55:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude It'll be live, alright. Sounds to me like they're putting up a folded unipole. The signal is fed to the skirt wires on the outside of the tower, which is itself grounded. That way they don't have to mess with isocouplers for all the VHF/UHF radio stuff that's going onto the tower. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "rjskadl" > Here is the interesting thing Neal. There are no insulators between > the concrete slabs and the metal structure of the tower. I have a > hunch that this is not going to be a live tower, but rather they will > probably be stringing up one of those long cable systems like you see > a lot in Florida. From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Jul 23 17:56:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 24 Jul 2002 00:56:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 48891 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 00:56:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2002 00:56:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 00:56:43 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-95.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.95]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g6O0rXiu029574 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:53:34 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00cf01c232ad$b825a100$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AMS Coming! Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:01:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I don't get it- first you said 1080 has two STLs, then you said they can't afford to buy a second one. What did I miss? BTW- I'd like to challenge you to do a little experiment. Turn a mono STL into a composite stereo one with an inexpensive FM stereo generator like those that Panaxis sells. They carry a few different brands. Then you'd build an FMS decoder board for the receive side, and those are down to just one chip and a few ancillary components. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael J. Richard" > Anyways...KRPX (now KSLL) 1080 went the whole 9 yards > when they went stereo years ago. Even bought 2 Moseley STL's to get the > signal over to the transmitter. We're talking the nice brown-faced Motorola > C-Quam modulation monitor in the studio and a model 1400 Stereo Exciter down > at the transmitter shack. Nice CRL Matrix-style processor on the > transmitter end and in the studio a CRL Stereo preparation processor. They > have manuals for EVERYTHING! It's all there. Well after discussions with > my old boss...since they can't afford to buy another STL for KSLL, he said I > could go ahead and swap the mono processing gear that's currently at KEVA > here in Evanston and put in it at KSLL From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jul 23 18:26:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 24 Jul 2002 01:26:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 63448 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 01:26:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2002 01:26:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14206.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 01:26:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20020724012623.55657.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.190] by web14206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:26:23 PDT Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:26:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Exciting times for AMS To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I'm very excited about our AMSF group at this time. We have a great group of people here with common goals - high quality Amplitude Modulation, preferably in stereo, utilizing existing transmitting equipment and spectrum. Fanfare's Omega system is so much more exciting than IBOC - consumers should be excited about it as well. They can have what they want, and not have to pay extra, but those that want superb AM audio quality need only purchase a receiver with Omega technology. Unless Marv tells us otherwise, I believe that the Omega system could even be applied to small portables in addition to the logical progression of: Studio Monitor (aka Fanfare-Omega) / Audiophile Tuner (aka Carver-Omega) / Automotive Receiver (aka Delco UX-1 Omega & Chrysler RAZ-Omega) / Table-Top radio (aka Bose Wave Omega) / Portable-Multiband (aka CCrane AMAX-S; G.E. Superadio IV; Sony SRF-A100-Omega ) / Portable Walkman (aka SRF-42-Omega). I am as excited about the Omega receiver as I was when I first heard AMS on a Song SRF-A100 in a department store. I hope and pray that they can get to market ASAP so that the IBOC crew can see how they wasted their money on a useless technology. My biggest nightmare is IBOC approval before Omega gets to the radio station Chief Engineers; but even so, the good folks at Crawford, Entercom (and maybe Disney-ABC?) might rather spend the money on the receiver end?. I remember reading about a turntable designed in 1982 that could read the grooves in an LP with a laser light, preventing record wear - unfortunately, it was the same year that Sony/Philips released the CD, and the laser turntable was 5 years too late. I trust our efforts will be much more fruitful! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From rjskadl@yahoo.com Tue Jul 23 18:26:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 24 Jul 2002 01:26:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 44283 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 01:26:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2002 01:26:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 01:26:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2002 01:26:31 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 01:26:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT(WLUX New Tower) was=Re: Fwd: car radios Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00c201c232ac$db18e240$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 994 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Scott Todd" wrote: > It'll be live, alright. Sounds to me like they're putting up a folded > unipole. The signal is fed to the skirt wires on the outside of the tower, > which is itself grounded. That way they don't have to mess with isocouplers > for all the VHF/UHF radio stuff that's going onto the tower. > > ST OK so thats what it is called. Of course I know the skirting wires will be live with RF. What I meant was that the tower itself (the steel structure)wouldn't be. That was immediately evident the moment they attatched the first upright to the slab without an insulator. This system will make it much easier for Sprint. There is another station here on Long Island that uses a folded unipole with the skirt wires. 1520 WTHE in Mineola. They also rent out a lot of space on the top of their tower. There are 2 or 3 LPTVs up there, not to mention several pager services and a couple two way business band repeaters. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jul 23 18:33:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 24 Jul 2002 01:33:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 21726 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 01:33:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2002 01:33:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14206.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 01:33:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20020724013318.56722.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.190] by web14206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:33:18 PDT Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:33:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: AMS & ABC Comments on FCC website-Comedy Central To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Thanks to all who were able to contribute to the FCC website regarding IBOC. I risked divorce court spending 5 hours writing and submitting comments when I was supposed to be packing for a short get-away, but I think the XYL is over it. I hope there is still a glimmer of intelligent life at the FCC that isn't so blinded by corporate dollars and the IBOC crap. In fact, I just might get my congressman involved for what it's worth in the IBOC situation. Want a laugh? Read Disney / ABC's comments - OH, we forgot our two biggest moneywinners WJR and WABC will trash each other with IBOC - oh no! Guess we better agree with Clear Channel and cut the digital sideband power down to 5 watts - who cares if anybody outside of Detroit or NYC/NJ can pick-it up in digital beyond 15 miles from the transmitter? DUH? Why have digital at all then? But of course their answer - EVERYBODY will have IBOC in ONE YEAR! Yep, and my Grandma bought an HDTV set 3 years ago too(ha ha ha) -that's the biggest piece of science fiction I've ever read! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Tue Jul 23 19:20:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 24 Jul 2002 02:20:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 73754 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 02:20:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2002 02:20:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf03bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.143) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 02:20:34 -0000 Received: from juan ([68.17.218.162]) by imf03bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020724022206.FGGW11981.imf03bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:22:06 -0400 Message-ID: <005201c232b8$b192bbb0$af78fea9@juan> To: Subject: OT: TV FM Antenna Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:20:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am looking for advice on what kind of TV antenna to purchase. I do a lot of TV and FM DX. I'm looking for a high gain, dependable antenna. I am sure there are some on the list that are TV/FM enthusiasts. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Juan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kfornal@loa.com Tue Jul 23 19:37:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kfornal@loa.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 24 Jul 2002 02:37:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 63862 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 02:37:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2002 02:37:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao04.cox.net) (68.1.17.241) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 02:37:22 -0000 Received: from OMNIBOOK ([68.9.127.164]) by lakemtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020724023721.QVIG4949.lakemtao04.cox.net@OMNIBOOK> for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:37:21 -0400 To: Subject: AM Stereo thread on NY Radio Message Board Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:37:03 -0400 Message-ID: <002301c232bb$01ae79c0$0401a8c0@OMNIBOOK> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Keith Fornal" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110312140 X-Yahoo-Profile: theradboy "I had always thought that AM music stations were superceded by FM because of the latter's superior quality for music. I was surprised to learn that there is such a thing as AM stereo technology. There are even a number of present day stations which broadcast in AM stereo." http://musicradio.computer.net/wwwboard/messages/171899.html Keith Fornal Treasurer Dutch Island Lighthouse Society www.dutchislandlighthouse.org From oldphones@webtv.net Tue Jul 23 20:36:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: oldphones@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 24 Jul 2002 03:36:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 2225 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 03:36:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2002 03:36:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-2001-2.public.lawson.webtv.net) (209.240.212.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 03:36:15 -0000 Received: from storefull-2112.public.lawson.webtv.net (lawson-public-ipmux-1-a2-pip.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.212.5]) by smtpout-2001-2.public.lawson.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id E5D59BF81 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:36:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-2112.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id UAA05609; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:36:12 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAr/9+f44Fy+0/yo8j1WLC6tIr/e8CFDCe10/G2DymE1NhHdi51fawNVnP Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:36:11 -0500 (CDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} SRF-A100 Question Message-ID: <25566-3D3E20AB-3447@storefull-2112.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com's message of 23 Jul 2002 11:02:21 -0000 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-From: oldphones@webtv.net (oldphones) From: oldphones@webtv.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38022783 X-Yahoo-Profile: oldphones1 Hi, Wonder if anyone on this forum had had any problems with the on/ off power switch going intermittent on a Sony SRF-A100. Mine was acting up on Sunday, radio went completely dead, no power or audio. Fortunately, It has come back from the "dead", Thank God. Sunday was an unusually HOT day, Max temp was 104 Degrees F. Don't know is heat had anything to do with this problem. Needless to say, this had me worried, The little Sony has worked flawlessly since 1985. The volume control pot is a little noisy, but not enough to be a real problem, the tuning has drifted down slightly --- 1630 is the highest I can tune at present. A picture of the SRF-A100 is available on My "Oldphones Radios Page" . Any help or comments, welcome!! Bill William P. Snyder Oldphones@ webtv. net (402) 593-6841 I Specialize in AM Stereo radios, collectable telephones, parts, and wiring items http://community.webtv.net/oldphones/OldPhonesRadiosPage From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Jul 23 20:43:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 24 Jul 2002 03:43:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 39062 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 03:43:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2002 03:43:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 03:43:28 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6O3mrPv014018 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:48:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D3E2178.C4AFD6D@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:39:36 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT(WLUX New Tower) was=Re: Fwd: car radios References: From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ok its going To Be a UNIPOLE antenna... that makes sense however Everytime they add an antenna or transmission line to the Tower its going to have to Be retuned. that's what happened over at WTHE when I was there what a pain in the butt... the Tower may not be hot but everything added to it had to Be detuned.. so It does not become a radiating element. I thought I was going to get out to the Island this week looks Like it will Be next week.... Radio Engineering is a side thing for me.. I'm a Concert Audio Engineer.. and Got really busy with the Springsteen tour Gearing up... spent 2 days out at Bruce's home recording and all day today In Asbury Park. For a WABC Special when his first tour Date opens in Asbury Park on the 30th. The audio Feed they gave us point blank SUCKED from the FOH... but the stuff recorded in his Home were fantastic.... I usually do monitors for Nils Lofgrene and Clarence Clemons they each have their own bands... and I have done some work with Toby Scott Bruce's personal recording Engineer. So I got Called in for the ABC stuff... Busy week.... Last saturday was Blood Sweat&Tears, this week Tonight was Bruce. Thursday is P-Funk(Parlament Funadelic) Friday Im off...Saturday is Ray Charles and Sunday is Little Feat... I have My hands full this week. I have to Get out to the Island before the end of next week to do a mix down Of a Live Project Done 2 weeks ago at a club in Wantagh. Ill let you know when Im heading out that way.. Pass along your # I think you Once gave it to me but incase I cannot Find It... Neal > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Jul 23 20:52:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 24 Jul 2002 03:52:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 93721 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 03:52:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2002 03:52:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 03:52:03 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6O3vSPv015048 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:57:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D3E237A.4B232C16@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:48:10 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT(WLUX New Tower) was=Re: Fwd: car radios References: From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I used to work at WTHE.... we even used an LPB 20 watt transmitter detuned to 7 watts for the Nighttime Coverage. when I was there... and I believe there was only 1 LPTV station there at the Time it was a 1 kw transmitter with an ERP of like 13 kw, and It was owned by Bogner broadcasting.. the same guy that designs Hi Powered Slotted Dipoles for the Major broadcast Stations Bogner may Not be the Correct name But it is Close... Neal rjskadl wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Scott Todd" wrote: > > It'll be live, alright. Sounds to me like they're putting up a > folded > > unipole. The signal is fed to the skirt wires on the outside of > the tower, > > which is itself grounded. That way they don't have to mess with > isocouplers > > for all the VHF/UHF radio stuff that's going onto the tower. > > > > ST > > > OK so thats what it is called. Of course I know the skirting wires > will be live with RF. What I meant was that the tower itself (the > steel structure)wouldn't be. That was immediately evident the moment > they attatched the first upright to the slab without an insulator. > This system will make it much easier for Sprint. > > There is another station here on Long Island that uses a folded > unipole with the skirt wires. 1520 WTHE in Mineola. They also rent > out a lot of space on the top of their tower. There are 2 or 3 LPTVs > up there, not to mention several pager services and a couple two way > business band repeaters. > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From shelswartz@yahoo.com Tue Jul 23 21:11:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: shelswartz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 24 Jul 2002 04:11:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 8467 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 04:11:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2002 04:11:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14904.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.225.56) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 04:11:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20020724041139.84456.qmail@web14904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.86.161.224] by web14904.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:11:39 PDT Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:11:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} SRF-A100 Question To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <25566-3D3E20AB-3447@storefull-2112.public.lawson.webtv.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Shel Swartz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91652391 X-Yahoo-Profile: shelswartz Try some contact spray on it. RadioShack sells it for about $2, Ithink. Sounds like a matter of corrosion caused by excess humidity. Works for me! :) shel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jul 23 21:35:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 24 Jul 2002 04:35:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 30203 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 04:35:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2002 04:35:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14204.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.146) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 04:35:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20020724043538.84000.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.190] by web14204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:35:38 PDT Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:35:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Address? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Mailing address please for C.Crane, and who's their chief designer? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From narkspud@hotmail.com Tue Jul 23 22:03:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 24 Jul 2002 05:03:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 80451 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 05:03:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2002 05:03:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 05:03:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2002 05:03:11 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 05:03:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: (OT) Laser Turntable Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020724012623.55657.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 772 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.224.17.99 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud >I remember > reading about a turntable designed in 1982 that could read the grooves in an LP > with a laser light, preventing record wear - unfortunately, it was the same > year that Sony/Philips released the CD, and the laser turntable was 5 years too > late. Just for the record (har har), the laser turntable still exists, for something like $20,000, but you really don't want one--reviewers who tested it found that it had no high frequency response *at all*, and the teensiest little foreign speck or pressing flaw (even after cleaning the hell out of the record with a VPI 17) sounded like a gunshot going off. They never really got it working to where it was a viable product. Standard turntables at 1/100th of the price sound much better. narkspud From amfmdx@fastq.com Tue Jul 23 23:46:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 24 Jul 2002 06:46:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 67971 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 06:46:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2002 06:46:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 06:46:28 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d159-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.191]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g6O6kQT47788 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:46:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <07a401c232dc$eae70dc0$aed63fd1@kredding430cdt> To: References: <005201c232b8$b192bbb0$af78fea9@juan> Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: TV FM Antenna Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:39:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > I am looking for advice on what kind of TV antenna to purchase. I do a lot of TV and FM DX. I'm looking for a high gain, dependable antenna. I suggest getting two antennas instead of one. TV antennas generally suck on FM and FM antennas REALLY suck for TV. I have an APS-9 antenna and its an exceptional unit. You can see the antenna at www.antennaperformance.com . Its an FM only unit and its high gain and VERY directional. Its not cheap but its good. If you want the best, then just open your wallet for an APS-13 but you will NOT be disappointed. The APS-9 may be about $110. I hear stations 175 miles away with not much of a problem. For TV, I use a Radio Shack VU-190XR. Its about $100. This is an exceptional antenna for TV and especially VHF where the skip will be. The UHF is adequate but for great UHF you need a parabolic dish or mondo big corner reflector. I have used other antennas, but this is what I have settled upon, and suits me best for my purposes. Both of these are deep fringe units. You WILL get DX if you have these and good receivers. Kevin From amfmdx@fastq.com Tue Jul 23 23:56:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 24 Jul 2002 06:56:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 59282 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 06:56:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2002 06:56:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 06:56:02 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d159-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.191]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g6O6u0T47874 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:56:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <07d801c232de$3c901800$aed63fd1@kredding430cdt> To: References: <20020724043538.84000.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Address? Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:49:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla ccraneco@aol.com Eng. Chris Justice. Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnny Electron" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 9:35 PM Subject: {AMSF} Address? > Mailing address please for C.Crane, and who's their chief designer? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > http://health.yahoo.com > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Jul 24 00:51:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 24 Jul 2002 07:51:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 87786 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 07:50:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2002 07:50:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 07:50:48 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.33]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 03:49:18 -0400 Message-ID: <004901c232e6$da433660$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} (OT) Laser Turntable Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 03:50:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 In the 1930's Philco came out with their "Beam-O-Lite" phono. It read the groves with a stylus, but that stylus was mounted to a vertical mirrored vane that modulated the signal to a photocell. The sound was excellent for it's time. Another great idea was Zenith's system of also using a moving vane, but using it to modulate a 2.5 Mhz RF FM tank circuit. Used in Wurlitzer jukeboxes,as well as thier own "Cobramatic" tone arms it had a terrific sound! CC From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Wed Jul 24 02:18:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 24 Jul 2002 09:18:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 91079 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 09:18:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2002 09:18:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf16bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.36) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 09:18:20 -0000 Received: from juan ([68.17.218.162]) by imf16bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020724091952.JXPN9213.imf16bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 05:19:52 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01c232f3$0dc68170$af78fea9@juan> To: References: <005201c232b8$b192bbb0$af78fea9@juan> <07a401c232dc$eae70dc0$aed63fd1@kredding430cdt> Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: TV FM Antenna Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 05:18:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Kevin. I probably could use two different antennas..one on each side of the house. Next question if you don't mind....you mentioned receivers, any you recommend for TV ? Right now I am using an RCA VCR, not a great performer, with the !$@# blue screen showing up on weak signals. The tuner in another TV of mine is better.... Thanks for the advice Juan I am looking for advice on what kind of TV antenna to purchase. I do a lot of TV and FM DX. I'm looking for a high gain, dependable antenna. I suggest getting two antennas instead of one. TV antennas generally suck on FM and FM antennas REALLY suck for TV. I have an APS-9 antenna and its an exceptional unit. You can see the antenna at www.antennaperformance.com . Its an FM only unit and its high gain and VERY directional. Its not cheap but its good. If you want the best, then just open your wallet for an APS-13 but you will NOT be disappointed. The APS-9 may be about $110. I hear stations 175 miles away with not much of a problem. For TV, I use a Radio Shack VU-190XR. Its about $100. This is an exceptional antenna for TV and especially VHF where the skip will be. The UHF is adequate but for great UHF you need a parabolic dish or mondo big corner reflector. I have used other antennas, but this is what I have settled upon, and suits me best for my purposes. Both of these are deep fringe units. You WILL get DX if you have these and good receivers. Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From fanfare@globility.com Wed Jul 24 03:39:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 24 Jul 2002 10:39:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 64442 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 10:39:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2002 10:39:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO columbus.globility.com) (205.189.152.11) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 10:39:03 -0000 Received: from FAN-2-PJS (dynamic-b1-136.highspeed.eol.ca [64.56.233.136]) by columbus.globility.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g6OAd2v25635 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 06:39:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200207240638450592.00172AE8@mail.globility.com> In-Reply-To: <07a401c232dc$eae70dc0$aed63fd1@kredding430cdt> References: <005201c232b8$b192bbb0$af78fea9@juan> <07a401c232dc$eae70dc0$aed63fd1@kredding430cdt> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 06:38:45 -0400 To: "Kevin Tekel" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: TV FM Antenna Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Marv Southcott" Reply-To: fanfare@globility.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I fully agree with your advice about antennas. Most TV-type antennas that claim FM reception as well, do so via "broadbanding" (because the FM band is stuated between TV ch's 6 and 7). But the effect is quite unacceptable for someone looking for fringe area coverage and beyond. As for FM antennas, one should also look at the HD-6065 from Winegard. For at least one person who has used a number of dedicated FM antennas in DX mode, it blows away all the competition, including the APS unit you mention (APS-13 excepted). However, aside from its high resolution, the APS-13, as one might expect an unwieldy 17'+ antenna to be, is just that "unwieldy". M. *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 7/23/2002 at 11:39 PM Kevin - Mesa, Arizona wrote: > I am looking for advice on what kind of TV antenna to purchase. I do a lot of TV and FM DX. I'm looking for a high gain, dependable antenna. I suggest getting two antennas instead of one. TV antennas generally suck on FM and FM antennas REALLY suck for TV. I have an APS-9 antenna and its an exceptional unit. You can see the antenna at www.antennaperformance.com . Its an FM only unit and its high gain and VERY directional. Its not cheap but its good. If you want the best, then just open your wallet for an APS-13 but you will NOT be disappointed. The APS-9 may be about $110. I hear stations 175 miles away with not much of a problem. For TV, I use a Radio Shack VU-190XR. Its about $100. This is an exceptional antenna for TV and especially VHF where the skip will be. The UHF is adequate but for great UHF you need a parabolic dish or mondo big corner reflector. I have used other antennas, but this is what I have settled upon, and suits me best for my purposes. Both of these are deep fringe units. You WILL get DX if you have these and good receivers. Kevin Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmdx@fastq.com Wed Jul 24 07:31:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 24 Jul 2002 14:31:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 30351 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 14:31:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2002 14:31:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 14:31:02 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d214-osel-phx.fastq.com [207.173.146.75]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g6OEV1T51804 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 07:31:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <081d01c2331d$319df9a0$aed63fd1@kredding430cdt> To: References: <005201c232b8$b192bbb0$af78fea9@juan> <07a401c232dc$eae70dc0$aed63fd1@kredding430cdt> <200207240638450592.00172AE8@mail.globility.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: TV FM Antenna Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 07:19:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > As for FM antennas, one should also look at the HD-6065 from Winegard. The consensus at the World TV FM DX Association doesn't agree with this antenna being better than the APS antennas. This includes the APS-9. I agree with their observation having used both. This said, the HD-6065 is a very good antenna and theres not a whole lot of difference between the two. I believe that the APS-9 may be a modified version of an antenna made by Winegard to maximize capabilities of the stock unit. If someone bought either antenna, there would be no doubt that they would receive lots of stations and get some very nice DX. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From amfmdx@fastq.com Wed Jul 24 07:45:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 24 Jul 2002 14:45:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 48356 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 14:45:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2002 14:45:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 14:45:56 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d214-osel-phx.fastq.com [207.173.146.75]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g6OEjsT52073 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 07:45:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <082301c2331f$389e5ae0$aed63fd1@kredding430cdt> To: References: <005201c232b8$b192bbb0$af78fea9@juan> <07a401c232dc$eae70dc0$aed63fd1@kredding430cdt> <000d01c232f3$0dc68170$af78fea9@juan> Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: TV FM Antenna Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 07:34:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > I probably could use two different antennas..one on each side of the house. I have my antennas on a single mast with a rotor to turn them. The FM antenna is 5' higher on the mast than the TV antenna. > Next question if you don't mind....you mentioned receivers, any you recommend for TV ? This is the question of the year. I don't know of any TV that is made today that doesn't have the BSOD [ Blue Screen Of Death ] when it comes to DXing. There probably is something out there, but I don't know who makes it. I have found that for some strange reason, 13" TVs seem to be the best DXers. I have NO idea why, it just seems to be that way. I use a 1994 Magnavox 13" color set saved from death at the dump. The power section was toast and it was repaired. Its not beautiful, but as they say, the proof is in the pudding. This TV has received stations from Mexico City, to Dozier, Alabama, to Milwaukee, to Regina, Sasketchewan, to Vancouver, British Columbia and San Francisco. Can't see much west, its the Pacific Ocean. The antenna was the Radio Shack VU-190XR. Best bet is to go to the Circuit City or Best Buy and ask them to disconnect the TV from the cable, then tune around and if the set doesn't have the BSOD, and then it gets any stations in the building, that would be the set to get. Good luck with this Juan, let us know how it turns out. Kevin From fanfare@globility.com Wed Jul 24 08:36:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 24 Jul 2002 15:36:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 73959 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 15:36:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2002 15:36:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 15:36:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2002 15:36:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:36:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: TV FM Antenna Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <081d01c2331d$319df9a0$aed63fd1@kredding430cdt> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1266 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amfmguy" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.233.136 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy Kevin; I've checked that resource and the only reference I can see is to Chris Fagas' assessments of antennas. Unfortunately, Chris's site is down and I don't see any other reference on the WTFD site where antennas are rated. Perhaps you could share the resource for the consensus to which you refer with the group. It would certainly be of value to me knowing which antennas are the real preference for DXers. Also, in your reference you make mention of the "APS antennas" generally being better than the HD-6065. You'll note in my post that I excepted the APS-13, but not the APS-9. I have the HD-6065 and the APS-9 as well. Your comments about the derivation of the APS- 9 notwithstanding, I don't think there is much can be argued when an avid DXer, having used all of the antennas that are typically used for DX, finds the HD-6065 to be superior. M. --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" wrote: > > As for FM antennas, one should also look at the HD-6065 from Winegard. > > The consensus at the World TV FM DX Association doesn't agree with this > antenna being better than the APS antennas. This includes the APS- 9. I > agree with their observation having used both. > >(snip). > > Kevin > Mesa, Arizona From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Jul 24 09:18:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 24 Jul 2002 16:18:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 87392 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 16:18:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2002 16:18:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 16:18:06 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn44.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.48]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:18:06 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} New AMS Coming! Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:18:03 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <00cf01c232ad$b825a100$d3a9fea9@me> Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Scott....okies...here's the confusion. 1080 DID have 2 stl's. They only have one now. I believe one of them died or they didn't want to spend the money to type-approve it. Remember that? Back in like 92 or 93? I know some stations converted their STL's over to the new type-approve standards...meanwhile others just bought new STL's. But in Price, I think they paid Moseley to do the type-approve on one of them and then I guess the other is sitting somewhere. Even I didn't see it anywhere when I was there. Nonetheless....my boss was more interested in getting back up to modulating 120%....something which (allegedly) the CRL AM Stereo Martix processor couldn't put out. So yesterday I took all of KEVA's mono processing gear down there and installed it. It all sounds wonderful. Meanwhile a CRL Stereo Preparation Processor and a CRL AM Stereo Matrix Processor and a Motorola model 1300 Exciter are here with me now awaiting installation at KEVA here in Evanston. I wish I had the time/resources/knowledge to try the little experiment with adding a stereo generator to a mono STL. You would THINK something like that would work, wouldn't ya? An STL is FM just like any other FM.....just at a different frequency. Then make an FM STEREO receiver for the other end that receives on that frequency. I dunno.....seems like our engineer told me something about there not being enough bandwidth...that it's too narrow...and that you'd only get about 6khz audio. Not sure, though. MJR -----Original Message----- From: Scott Todd [mailto:stodd@sherbtel.net] Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 7:02 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AMS Coming! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jul 24 11:05:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 24 Jul 2002 18:05:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 98951 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 18:05:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2002 18:05:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 18:05:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2002 18:05:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:05:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: The AM Stereo Forum on SmartGroups Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 978 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Announce: yes From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics A clone of this Forum has been established on SmartGroups: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/amstereoforum Try it out and let me know what you think. For now, the main emphasis will remain here at the Yahoo Groups version, but if enough people like the SmartGroups version instead, a voluntary transition may occur. Otherwise the SmartGroups version will remain as a "just in case" backup, or perhaps for additional file storage space (since we are starting to fill up the 20 MB that Yahoo Groups provides). I find SmartGroups' web interface to be slightly more clutzy to use, but it has much less on-screen advertising than Yahoo. I'm still working on the Forum content there, trying to make it as close to what it is here at Yahoo Groups as possible, but the basic functions, like Messages, Files, and Photos are all working. Kevin Tekel Sysop of The AM Stereo Forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/amstereoforum From amfmdx@fastq.com Wed Jul 24 11:16:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 24 Jul 2002 18:16:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 22242 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 18:16:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2002 18:16:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 18:16:25 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d204-osel-phx.fastq.com [209.63.214.191]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g6OIGMT58078 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:16:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <086701c2333c$4c954320$aed63fd1@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: TV FM Antenna Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:02:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > It would certainly be > of value to me knowing which antennas are the real preference for > DXers. Most WTFDA members either use one of the APS antennas or the Stereo Probe 9. Some use the FM-6. Few use the HD-6065. This would be shown by looking at the reports of reception in the WTFDA VHF-UHF Digest. Most of the members I have spoken to do use either the APS or SP-9 and prefer the APS. > Your comments about the derivation of the APS- > 9 notwithstanding, I don't think there is much can be argued when an > avid DXer, having used all of the antennas that are typically used > for DX, finds the HD-6065 to be superior. I suppose its all a matter of preference. For use here in the west where there is little to no trop and all stations are either by ground wave or E-skip, I find for me, the APS-9 is a better antenna. For conditions in the east, I have no idea which is preferred. I do know though that the majority of DXers in the WTFDA are in the east and the APS 9 or 13 and the Stereo Probe 9 are by far the most used. Some use the HD-6065 but it is very few. With the APS-9 I generally receive stations 175 to 200 miles away via groundwave and often with a stereo signal and full quieting, using a Hafler 330 tuner which was modified with 110 kHz filters. I find little if any difference in distance of stations received with the HD-6065 but I definitely have two issues with it. 1. The directionality is far too narrow for me because it is so narrow that it precludes finding E-skip stations. The APS-9 is has a narrow receive pattern but its just wide enough to keep from rejection of E-skip signals. The APS-9 is narrow enough to null a 100 kW station 4 miles away and allow reception of a 3 kW station on an adjacent frequency from Tucson 150 miles away and still be able to hear E-skip. It will allow reception of a 100 kW station on 92.9 from Tucson 150 miles away and another 100 kW station from Flagstaff 180 miles away also on 92.9. I get a station on the Hopi Reservation at 240 driving miles commonly on 88.1 with the APS-9. This one, I don't get on the HD-6065. The HD-6065 sits in my garage and is used for when I am afield. 2. I am surrounded by 100 kW stations. The HD-6065 has enough gain to overload any receiver. My Hafler 330 is modified and will overload if pointed at one of these using the HD-6065. My alternate receiver is an Akai AT-V04 and it also will overload on the HD-6065. These receivers will not overload with the APS-9 pointed at one of the many 100 kW stations in the area. We have a couple of stations over 100 kW here that were running mega power and grandfathered in before the 100 kW limit in 1962. The APS-9 works well with these stations. For me, what I need, and in my conditions, both of these antennas are good. However the HD-6065 does not fit my needs. If I lived out of the Phoenix metro area and in the country or in an area on the outskirts of the city area in the high rent district far from any antennas, I would say the HD-6065 would be the antenna to have but there would be little difference between the two here in the west. Radio and reception are VERY different in the west than in the east. Having lived in Rhode Island many years, I can tell you this is the absolute truth. You guys DXing in the east, you have no idea how good you have it. Kevin Mesa, Arizona From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Jul 24 11:27:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 24 Jul 2002 18:27:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 87303 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 18:27:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2002 18:27:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r02.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.98) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 18:27:35 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.b7.23ed871a (30952) for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:27:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:27:17 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} The AM Stereo Forum on SmartGroups To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp << A clone of this Forum has been established on SmartGroups: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/amstereoforum Try it out and let me know what you think. For now, the main emphasis will remain here at the Yahoo Groups version, but if enough people like the SmartGroups version instead, a voluntary transition may occur. Otherwise the SmartGroups version will remain as a "just in case" backup, or perhaps for additional file storage space (since we are starting to fill up the 20 MB that Yahoo Groups provides). I find SmartGroups' web interface to be slightly more clutzy to use, but it has much less on-screen advertising than Yahoo. I'm still working on the Forum content there, trying to make it as close to what it is here at Yahoo Groups as possible, but the basic functions, like Messages, Files, and Photos are all working. >> Me wonders how many--more---groups we need ....! amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com <--open and reliable and has been around a long while amstereo-subcribe@topica.com <--open and reliable and has been around a long while amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com <--open and reliable and has storage space.Has been around since the early days of what was Yahoo Clubs. I just dont get it. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From amfmdx@fastq.com Wed Jul 24 11:59:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 24 Jul 2002 18:59:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 601 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 18:59:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2002 18:59:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 18:59:04 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d204-osel-phx.fastq.com [209.63.214.191]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g6OIx2T59384 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:59:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <088d01c23342$21155720$aed63fd1@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} The AM Stereo Forum on SmartGroups Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:44:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla STOP MOVING THE MAIL LISTS. STOP!!! IF YOU WANT TO LOSE PEOPLE INSTEAD OF GAIN PEOPLE, MOVE THE LIST AGAIN. > Me wonders how many--more---groups we need ....! Amen, this works and is even more reliable than topica which is fairly reliable. Why do we want to leave something working? What is the reason that we believe we need to leave the Yahoogroups and go somewhere else? Kevin Mesa, Arizona From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Jul 24 12:17:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 24 Jul 2002 19:17:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 53918 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 19:17:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2002 19:17:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d09.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 19:17:44 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 6.82.1eced1e4 (30952) for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:17:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <82.1eced1e4.2a705752@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:17:38 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: TV FM Antenna To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 7/24/02 10:47:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, amfmdx@fastq.com writes: << This TV has received stations from Mexico City, to Dozier, Alabama, to Milwaukee, to Regina, Sasketchewan, to Vancouver, British Columbia and San Francisco. Can't see much west, its the Pacific Ocean. The antenna was the Radio Shack VU-190XR. Best bet is to go to the Circuit City or Best Buy and ask them to disconnect the TV from the cable, then tune around and if the set doesn't have the BSOD, and then it gets any stations in the building, that would be the set to get. Good luck with this Juan, let us know how it turns out. >> I just recently {in May for the wife's birthday} bought a 24" Panasonic TV from Wal-Mart that is free of the BSOD screen.....and it is stereo too! Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From amfmdx@fastq.com Wed Jul 24 12:22:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 24 Jul 2002 19:22:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 72204 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 19:22:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2002 19:22:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 19:22:20 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d169-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.201]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g6OJMJT60052 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:22:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <08a201c23347$632d4140$aed63fd1@kredding430cdt> To: References: <82.1eced1e4.2a705752@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: OT No BSOD TV Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:21:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > I just recently {in May for the wife's birthday} bought a 24" Panasonic TV > from Wal-Mart that is free of the BSOD screen.....and it is stereo too! Bob, Can you get us a model number on this unit? Kevin From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Jul 24 12:27:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 24 Jul 2002 19:27:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 36584 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 19:27:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2002 19:27:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r02.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.98) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 19:27:45 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.f7.1ea67919 (30952) for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:27:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:27:27 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AMS Coming! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 7/24/02 12:19:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, michaelj@vcn.com writes: << Then make an FM STEREO receiver for the other end that receives on that frequency. I dunno.....seems like our engineer told me something about there not being enough bandwidth...that it's too narrow...and that you'd only get about 6khz audio. Not sure, though. MJR >> Even though these STL's {900 mhz jobbies} are NBFM ...it would still be a neat test to see what "improvements" could be made....and even allowing the transmission of stereo with just one STL transmitter/receiver. Just watch those levels..and dont get to wide...your neighboring STL users might not like it to much. Hmmm...all of this give me an idea to see if it would work. I have a Marti here that is on 153 mhz,NBFM..and I do have a stereo generator here......and some creativity I can get a receiver to pick this up...maybe in the stereo mode. I'll do the bandwidth test for RF and audio. Sounds like a great project I can report on when I get some other more important projects taken care of first. Stay tuned. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Jul 24 12:32:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 24 Jul 2002 19:32:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 43075 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 19:32:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2002 19:32:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 19:32:11 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 6.16f.110819a7 (30952) for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <16f.110819a7.2a705ab4@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:32:04 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: OT No BSOD TV To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 7/24/02 3:23:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, amfmdx@fastq.com writes: << Bob, Can you get us a model number on this unit? Kevin >> I'll get ya a model number tomorrow....the old "grey matter" fails me sometimes. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com NNN0BDU-T NAVMARS KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jul 24 16:34:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 24 Jul 2002 23:34:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 31937 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 23:34:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2002 23:34:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 23:34:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2002 23:34:51 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 23:34:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} The AM Stereo Forum on SmartGroups Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <088d01c23342$21155720$aed63fd1@kredding430cdt> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1250 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.148 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > STOP MOVING THE MAIL LISTS. STOP!!! Hold the phone... nobody is moving anywhere. I simply came across SmartGroups and I thought I'd give it a try. A few mouse clicks later, and I had my own SmartGroups forum all set up and ready to go. If I was starting from scratch, like this group did back in October 2001, I would probably use SmartGroups instead of Yahoo Groups, simply because the much lower amount of annoying on-screen advertising when using the web interface. Yahoo Groups seems to constantly find more and more ways to put advertisements in your face, and I know I am not the only one here who is displeased with this. Even with image loading turned off, as I always use the Web, the ads take up on-screen territory that screws up the line wrapping of messages. Remember, this is a "Forum" in every sense of the word. Every member's opinion can be heard and carries equal weight, no matter if they have been discussing AM Stereo on-line since the mid-'90s (like me), or just came across this group yesterday. Stay tuned for a "Poll" to be created on this subject, so that everyone reading this can vote on this topic and let their opinion be heard without disrupting the normal AM Stereo-related discussions here. From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Wed Jul 24 16:52:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 52661 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 23:52:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2002 23:52:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 23:52:04 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2002 23:52:04 -0000 Date: 24 Jul 2002 23:52:03 -0000 Message-ID: <1027554723.822.16898.w18@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: poll X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New poll for amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the amstereoforum group: Please visit the new experimental version of The AM Stereo Forum on SmartGroups at: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/amste reoforum Check it out and let your opinion be heard below. o I prefer the existing Yahoo Groups version of The AM Stereo Forum, and I would like it to stay as-is. Changing this would cause detrimental fragmentation of our membership. o Both are about equal to me, so I think the inconvenience of moving to SmartGroups would not be worth it. o I like the SmartGroups version better, but not enough to move away from Yahoo Groups. o I like the SmartGroups version better and would personally switch over myself, but for the sake of consistency for all our members, we should stay on Yahoo Groups, despite its limitations. o I think the SmartGroups version is superior, and I think the AM Stereo Forum would benefit by moving over, despite the disruption. o The only thing I like better about the SmartGroups version is the much lower amount of on-screen advertising. Perhaps if we all got together and let Yahoo know our opinion, they might cut back on their excessive amount of ads. o I have a better idea -- explain in a message posted to the group here. To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/surveys?id=10826933 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jul 24 17:03:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 25 Jul 2002 00:03:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 36642 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2002 00:03:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2002 00:03:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2002 00:03:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2002 00:03:43 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 00:03:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New poll for amstereoforum / "The Analog Advantage" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1027554723.822.16898.w18@yahoogroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1000 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.148 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Please visit the new experimental > version of The AM Stereo Forum on > SmartGroups at: > > http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/amste > reoforum As typical for Yahoo, the line wrapping got messed up, so here is the correct address for the SmartGroups location: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/amstereoforum ALSO.... Another idea that just popped into my head is to keep the AM Stereo Forum exactly as it is right now (here on Yahoo Groups), but establish a new group (on either Yahoo or SmartGroups) dedicated to promoting the benefits of ANALOG AM and FM radio in the face of competition from iBiquity's IBOC DAB system. This might be called something like "THE ANALOG ADVANTAGE" and AM Stereo would certainly be a part of the discussion, but it would also include anything relating to analog AM, analog FM, and the corresponding IBOC DAB systems on the AM and FM bands. If this interests you, vote for the "I have a better idea" option on the Poll and we can discuss it here. From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Jul 24 17:58:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 25 Jul 2002 00:58:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 22283 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2002 00:58:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2002 00:58:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2002 00:58:03 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-78.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.78]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g6P0spiu003613 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 19:54:52 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003f01c23377$13dd7300$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <005201c232b8$b192bbb0$af78fea9@juan> Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: TV FM Antenna Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:03:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Since Kevin suggested a good FM and VHF antenna, the best UHF would be the Channel Master 7' parabolic. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Juan / John Gualda" > I am looking for advice on what kind of TV antenna to purchase. I do a lot of TV and FM DX. I'm looking for a high gain, dependable antenna. From fanfare@globility.com Wed Jul 24 18:06:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 25 Jul 2002 01:06:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 89710 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2002 01:06:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2002 01:06:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2002 01:06:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2002 01:06:06 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 01:06:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: A new forum Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 529 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amfmguy" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.234.240 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy I don't see the need to change anything. AMS is an issue and the support is here. Analog is a non-issue, unless you make your daily bread from it ;-@. The challenge of DAB vs the status quo, I see that as a real issue and there should be lots of pro and con there. However, in any successful group there has to be a nucleus of support. I would support that. Marv P.S. The time date stamp on this message says 7/25/02 at 5:53am. It si now 7/24/02 at 2105hrs EDST. Where the hell is this Yahoo server, in the Kremlin? From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Jul 24 18:58:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 25 Jul 2002 01:57:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 84913 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2002 01:57:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2002 01:57:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2002 01:57:57 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-78.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.78]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g6P1skiu015690 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:54:47 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00a601c2337f$72931460$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AMS Coming! Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 21:03:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude STLs NBFM?? I thought they deviated +/- 150kHz. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: > MJR >> > Even though these STL's {900 mhz jobbies} are NBFM ...it would still be a > neat test to see what "improvements" could be made....and even allowing the > transmission of stereo with just one STL transmitter/receiver. > Just watch those levels..and dont get to wide...your neighboring STL users > might not like it to much. > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jul 24 23:07:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 25 Jul 2002 06:07:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 10171 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2002 06:07:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2002 06:07:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2002 06:07:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2002 06:07:58 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 06:07:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New AMS Coming! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00a601c2337f$72931460$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1168 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.148 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > STLs NBFM?? I thought they deviated +/- 150kHz. The old old STLs in the 25-26 MHz range are NBFM, but these are rare. These actually date back to when various frequencies of 25 MHz and higher were used for experimental high fidelity AM broadcasts, starting in the mid-1930s. These stations eventually moved up to the 42-50 MHz range, and switched from AM to FM signals by 1940, forming the original "FM" band which then moved to its present "high band" 88-108 MHz allocation after WWII. The "low band" 42-50 MHz FM stations were phased out by 1950, but the 25-26 MHz allocation for broadcast use remained, and today a handful of radio stations in the USA still use it for their Studio-to-Transmitter Link. I still think the VHF-Low band, which is quickly becoming cleared out as communications services move up to the high UHF range (800+ MHz), would make an excellent place for high fidelity AM STEREO broadcasting, but there is little interest in such a thing, as IBOC wants to squeeze everything into the existing AM and FM bands, and other countries are using a new band for DAB, either 220 MHz VHF or very high in the UHF range (~1.5 GHz). From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Jul 25 00:32:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 25 Jul 2002 07:32:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 46929 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2002 07:32:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2002 07:32:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2002 07:32:37 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.41]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 03:31:00 -0400 Message-ID: <001901c233ad$7a4caf80$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} The AM Stereo Forum on SmartGroups Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 03:32:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I will respectfully voice my opinion here, that despite the ads, we are now 87 strong- the best any AMS list has ever been. Any change would probably result in a dip in membership, HOWEVER- I agree that a backup system is a good idea- Now, you want to talk about advertising being annoying? I have seen friends use www.kazaa.com for MP3 sharing- it is the best I have seen yet,but the pop ups ads are relentless- especially those "online casino" ones, that if you go and click the X in the corner, it opens it!- Then it is all over your screen- I mean everywhere! AHHHHhhh! CC From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jul 25 01:16:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 25 Jul 2002 08:16:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 21924 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2002 08:16:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2002 08:16:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2002 08:16:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2002 08:16:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 08:16:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} The AM Stereo Forum on SmartGroups Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001901c233ad$7a4caf80$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1038 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.148 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > HOWEVER- I agree that a backup system is a good idea- Indeed, now we at least have an alternate location reserved just in case Yahoo Groups does an Enron... just like how my pre-reserved domain of "amstereo.s5.com" came in handy for the week or so when www.amstereoradio.com was out of service. > but the pop ups ads are relentless- especially those "online > casino" ones, that if you go and click the X in the corner, it > opens it!- Then it is all over your screen- I mean everywhere! > AHHHHhhh! One way to get rid of all pop-up ads is to turn off JavaScript. However, some web sites require JavaScript to function. I personally leave JS off all the time except when it is needed for a site. In addition to the annoyance of pop-up ads, it is also a security and virus risk. If programmed incorrectly or purposely bad, it can even lock up your computer with an endless loop that can only be solved by restarting -- the old "10 GOTO 10" trick like you did in BASIC two decades ago, now applied to modern technology! From dav259@csiro.au Thu Jul 25 02:21:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 25 Jul 2002 09:21:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 66913 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2002 09:21:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2002 09:21:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2002 09:21:11 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06582 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 19:21:09 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 19:21:09 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} The AM Stereo Forum on SmartGroups In-Reply-To: <088d01c23342$21155720$aed63fd1@kredding430cdt> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Wed, 24 Jul 2002, Kevin - Mesa, Arizona wrote: > STOP MOVING THE MAIL LISTS. STOP!!! > > IF YOU WANT TO LOSE PEOPLE INSTEAD OF GAIN PEOPLE, MOVE THE LIST AGAIN. I agree with our Kev's subtle message above. When you talk about all the ads - I'm not even sure what you are talking about. Maybe there are no ads in Oz - but we're not too far behind the US in that department. I read all Yahoo stuff in Unix plain text Pine. (An e-mail system created and continually upgraded by the University of Berkeley in California.) In the last few months we can even click on web addresses to open our browser and go to the relevant web page - rather than cut and paste - something that many of you have taken for granted for some time. Using Pine I have never been happier. If you don't like a message you simply press D - and it is virtually gone forever - and the next message simply takes its place. You do have to confirm your deletions as you exit so can change your mind. Before joining Bryan's group over two years ago I had been receiving messages from a jokes list run by CSIRO's Perth site for several years and didn't ever realise it was via Yahoo. It's always worked OK for me. And when people complain I often think they should have a good look at their server. I'm with Kevin R - if it aint broke don't fix it - somewhat like our argument about AMS is all about. When Dennis moved the iaaas list away from Yahoo it lost members. And also became e-mail only, much more moderated, and eventually imploded. We don't need this now. Our group here has more members than any other ever had. This is a very crucial time for us. IBOC or iDAB is possibly about to be launched. It's important that we stay together and stay united and focussed. It's a time where we all must do our bit - and lobby everyone possible - as the great Johnny Electron does. This is OUR time! Let's make it work. Ian IAAAS Network News Melbourne [for the newbes on the list ...] IAAAS - The International Alliance for the Advancement of AM Stereo Melbourne - the capital of Victoria, Australia - a market of 3.5 million - where we once again have the five commercial AM stations broadcasting in AMS. (what we need are AMS receivers) From alinton@esatclear.ie Thu Jul 25 02:30:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: alinton@esatclear.ie X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 25 Jul 2002 09:30:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 7752 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2002 09:30:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2002 09:30:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO davros) (159.134.148.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2002 09:30:08 -0000 Received: from Spooler by davros (Mercury/32 v3.30) ID MO00029B; 25 Jul 02 10:30:10 +0100 Received: from spooler by totalbroadcast.net (Mercury/32 v3.30); 25 Jul 02 09:37:09 +0100 Received: from fr1.esatclear.ie (192.168.0.1) by davros (Mercury/32 v3.30) with ESMTP ID MG00029A; 25 Jul 02 09:37:00 +0100 X-MSReally-From: alinton@esatclear.ie Message-Id: <5.1.1.2.2.20020725093517.03416008@FR1> X-Sender: alinton@FR1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1.3 (Beta) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 09:36:59 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AMS Coming! In-Reply-To: <00a601c2337f$72931460$d3a9fea9@me> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: Andy Linton X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10800314 X-Yahoo-Profile: alinton1_ie At 21:03 24/07/2002 -0500, you wrote: >STLs NBFM?? I thought they deviated +/- 150kHz. > >ST > No, modern 900MHz STLs, like the Moseley PCL600 system for example, deviate +/- 50kHz. (yes, not +/- 75!) More than enough for perfect FM (and AMS!) retransmission. ----------------------------------- Andy Linton alinton@esatclear.ie Waterford, Ireland From mychucky@funport.net Thu Jul 25 06:08:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mychucky@funport.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 25 Jul 2002 13:08:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 68247 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2002 13:08:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2002 13:08:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.funport.com) (216.199.19.6) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2002 13:08:41 -0000 Received: from FatMusic2000 ([]) by mail.funport.com (Merak 5.0.1) with SMTP id JFB36580 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 09:06:35 -0400 Message-ID: <007a01c233dc$b8600f40$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> To: References: <005201c232b8$b192bbb0$af78fea9@juan> Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: TV FM Antenna Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 09:10:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85836819 X-Yahoo-Profile: mychucky1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Your missing the point. The antennae is only a start, If your going to DX on TV or FM it is the gain of the antenna not the expense. The gain plus height (biggest advantage) and put a Preamp on it. The bigger the gain the more selective "direction wise" it will be. This is necessary to keep other stations on the same frequency from destroying the picture (remember the picture is AM) that may come in on the side or back. Don't forget the Rotor, a must have. Real DX will take at least 70 feet of height, I had my antenna at the 200 ft level for years, with a preamp and a rotor, OHHHH LAAA LaAAA it was magnificent. Basically the longer the antenna the more elements it has the better the gain and side lobe rejection. ----- Original Message ----- From: Juan / John Gualda To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 10:20 PM Subject: {AMSF} OT: TV FM Antenna I am looking for advice on what kind of TV antenna to purchase. I do a lot of TV and FM DX. I'm looking for a high gain, dependable antenna. I am sure there are some on the list that are TV/FM enthusiasts. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Juan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu Jul 25 13:45:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 25 Jul 2002 20:45:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 91230 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2002 20:45:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2002 20:45:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2002 20:45:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2002 20:45:34 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 20:45:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: The AM Stereo Forum on SmartGroups Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1446 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.247 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > A clone of this Forum has been established on SmartGroups: > > http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/amstereoforum > > Try it out and let me know what you think. For now, the main > emphasis will remain here at the Yahoo Groups version, but if enough > people like the SmartGroups version instead, a voluntary transition > may occur. Otherwise the SmartGroups version will remain as a "just > in case" backup, or perhaps for additional file storage space (since > we are starting to fill up the 20 MB that Yahoo Groups provides). > > I find SmartGroups' web interface to be slightly more clutzy to use, > but it has much less on-screen advertising than Yahoo. I'm still > working on the Forum content there, trying to make it as close to > what it is here at Yahoo Groups as possible, but the basic functions, > like Messages, Files, and Photos are all working. > The few compliants I have with yahoo is the adds sometime cover up message text unless I go full screen with Netscape. The most obnoxious is when I tell it not to wrap text because I am posting a long link but it wraps it anyway. Until the adds get much worse I don't see moving it to another site. At least Netscape under Linux renders readable fonts on yahoo where topica and some others display micro print that I can barely read. I have to copy and paste it into a text editor so I read it. JSG From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Jul 25 13:51:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 25 Jul 2002 20:51:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 96585 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2002 20:51:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2002 20:51:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2002 20:51:54 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn38.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.42]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:51:54 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} New AMS Coming! Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:51:50 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.2.2.20020725093517.03416008@FR1> Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi gang I thought y'all might find some of this stuff interesting. Just reading through the Motorola Exciter / Monitor manual. There is SO much information in here. It's all pretty amazing. Motorola really explains everything in full detail.....including C-Quam and how it works and so on. Interestingly enough, there are some graphs in here...copies of measurments off of an oscilloscope. Initialed and dated by D. Wilson May 84. Don't know if it's the same guy, but Don Wilson at that time was the chief engineer for Motorola's AM STEREO division. He wrote the "troubleshooting" section of the manual. He dated THAT 12/27/84......which would mean the troubleshooting section of the manual was written almost 8 months after all these measurements were taken at KRPX. This would almost lead me to believe that KRPX was one of the very very FIRST guinea pigs for Motorola and that maybe Don Wilson was there in Price UT and installed the whole system himself. Hey, it's a possibility :) And now I have the genuine articles....the original model 1300 exciter, and the 1310 modulation monitor. (well the monitor is still in price, but I think I've decided I want to convert it to 1240 and bring it here too) Pretty cool, huh? Is anyone else out there a true Motorola AMS history buff? Did Motorola provide the gear to a few stations at first to do testing? Did Motorola's engineers actually go out and install it at some of the very first stations they put on the air in stereo? Hmmmmmmmmm MJR n WYO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Jul 25 14:22:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 25 Jul 2002 21:22:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 23220 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2002 21:22:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2002 21:22:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2002 21:22:56 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn38.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.42]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:22:55 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} New AMS Coming! Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:22:53 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good news and bad news now... I can take the modulation monitor from Price at any time. Doesn't need a crystal. It's controlled by a DIP switch panel inside. So it's just a matter of changing it to 1240 for us. Meanwhile on the exciter, Cinox told me that those crystals are something they gave up a LONG time ago. So I may have to go the route that Chris Cuff suggested on the part of getting a "programmable" crystal from Digi-key. I hope it works. I'll start snooping right now for a 5v power lead for it. Chris....could you maybe provide me a little more info on exactly what I need so that I can order it? Meanwhile I've got Bob Carter to help with the major engineering on the transmitter's part since he's got the same transmitter over there in North Carolina. This will all be together shortly! I just wish everyone else were as excited as I am :( We're getting another AMS station on. I kinda thought I'd see a little more excitement and maybe a "way to go Michael!" here or there. Haven't really seen a whole lot. I really thought this was one of the causes we fought for. Why we're here. Why we're still fighting. If that's not the case, just let me know and I'll quit cluttering up everyone's email boxes with a bunch of useless info :( MJR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu Jul 25 14:38:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 25 Jul 2002 21:38:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 76399 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2002 21:38:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2002 21:38:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.179) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2002 21:38:26 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:38:26 -0700 Received: from 209.240.222.130 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 21:38:26 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@bellsouth.net Bcc: Subject: RE: {AMSF} New AMS Coming! Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 21:38:26 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2002 21:38:26.0639 (UTC) FILETIME=[9C0CF5F0:01C23423] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.222.130] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Congratulations Michael on your new AMS venture. I, for you, have been interested in your progress of making 1240 a.m. a stereo station, but technically, much of what you say is way over my head, so I've kept quiet. Not quite as quiet as Shane has been for the last few month, but almost! :) I suppose some of the others on the list have been quiet for the same reason I have. You, Neal of New Jersey and Juan of Vero are all heroes to the cause of a.m. stereo. donn _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Jul 25 14:44:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 25 Jul 2002 21:44:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 16321 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2002 21:44:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2002 21:44:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2002 21:44:58 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn38.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.42]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:44:57 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} New AMS Coming! Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:44:55 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Thanks Don!! I was beginning to feel kinda hopeless for a bit there :) Thank you for the boost Michael -----Original Message----- From: Donn Tillman [mailto:florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 3:38 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@bellsouth.net Subject: RE: {AMSF} New AMS Coming! Congratulations Michael on your new AMS venture. From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Jul 25 14:53:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 25 Jul 2002 21:53:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 16212 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2002 21:53:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2002 21:53:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2002 21:53:02 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-180.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.180]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g6PLnniu024598 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 16:49:50 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00a801c23426$679959a0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AMS Coming! Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 16:58:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I've saved all my Radio Worlds from that era. One of these years I'll have to scan them for AMS posterity. Yes, Motorola did provide some of the earliest equipment, as did most, if not all the manufacturers. What's the serial number on that thing? Bet it's a pretty low number. Keep it up, and let us know the progress. BTW, make sure that programmable crystal unit will keep the frequency tolerance required by the FCC. If not, there are all sorts of sources that will grind one for that exciter. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael J. Richard" Is > anyone else out there a true Motorola AMS history buff? Did Motorola > provide the gear to a few stations at first to do testing? Did Motorola's > engineers actually go out and install it at some of the very first stations > they put on the air in stereo? > Hmmmmmmmmm > > MJR n WYO > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Jul 25 14:56:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 25 Jul 2002 21:56:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 35059 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2002 21:56:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2002 21:56:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2002 21:56:30 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn38.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.42]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:56:30 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} New AMS Coming! Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:56:27 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <00a801c23426$679959a0$d3a9fea9@me> Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You know....I was gonna mention the serial number on the exciter. It's 0200. Period. Just 0200. :) Well for $5 I'm gonna give the programmable one a try....Chris said it would work. Meanwhile I know I can always go back to Fox Crystals....that's where I got the one for KMER. Of course it took them 6 weeks to manufacture it. I'd rather not wait that long. I haven't checked with ICM either...they may be able to grind one in a shorter amount of time. We shall see. Time will tell. Thanks Scott...I knew you were out there somewhere :) Michael n (stereo!) n Wyo -----Original Message----- From: Scott Todd [mailto:stodd@sherbtel.net] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 3:58 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AMS Coming! I've saved all my Radio Worlds from that era. One of these years I'll have to scan them for AMS posterity. Yes, Motorola did provide some of the earliest equipment, as did most, if not all the manufacturers. What's the serial number on that thing? Bet it's a pretty low number. Keep it up, and let us know the progress. BTW, make sure that programmable crystal unit will keep the frequency tolerance required by the FCC. If not, there are all sorts of sources that will grind one for that exciter. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael J. Richard" Is > anyone else out there a true Motorola AMS history buff? Did Motorola > provide the gear to a few stations at first to do testing? Did Motorola's > engineers actually go out and install it at some of the very first stations > they put on the air in stereo? > Hmmmmmmmmm > > MJR n WYO > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Jul 25 14:56:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 25 Jul 2002 21:56:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 66687 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2002 21:56:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2002 21:56:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2002 21:56:45 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-180.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.180]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g6PLrWiu025288 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 16:53:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00ae01c23426$ec953c00$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AMS Coming! Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:02:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I'm a bit surprised as well, on one hand, but on the other I'm not quite as surprised. It's the middle of summer and there's a lot of stuff that keeps us busier than we'd be at any other time of the year. Plus, we know you're competent to do the job. Beforehand, there was the excitement and question of "can he do it?" which isn't the case now. Don't take it too personally. BTW- WAY TO GO!!!! ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael J. Richard" > I just wish everyone else were as excited as I am :( We're getting another > AMS station on. I kinda thought I'd see a little more excitement and maybe > a "way to go Michael!" here or there. Haven't really seen a whole lot. I > really thought this was one of the causes we fought for. Why we're here. > Why we're still fighting. If that's not the case, just let me know and I'll > quit cluttering up everyone's email boxes with a bunch of useless info :( > From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Jul 25 15:07:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 25 Jul 2002 22:07:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 50073 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2002 22:07:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2002 22:07:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2002 22:07:49 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn38.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.42]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 16:07:48 -0600 To: Subject: domain Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 16:07:46 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <00ae01c23426$ec953c00$d3a9fea9@me> Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi again...I know...I have diarreah of the email today.... Just checked for the heck of it to see who indeed has the domain name "amstereo.com" It's a guy named Robert W. Kramer in Clinton, IA. He's with CIS Internet Services. Who is he? I wonder why he has it? I wonder what he wants it for? I wonder if he's in to AM Stereo? Wouldn't THAT be an ever better name for our site than amstereoradio.com? By the way, amstereo.net, amstereo.org ARE available. Either of those would be pretty cool to have as well :) MJR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From narkspud@hotmail.com Thu Jul 25 15:10:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 25 Jul 2002 22:10:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 40415 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2002 22:10:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2002 22:10:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2002 22:10:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2002 22:10:00 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 22:10:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AMS Coming! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00ae01c23426$ec953c00$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 601 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 67.89.146.146 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud Never have been much of a "way-to-go-er" myself, but you may safely assume that I am delighted! narkspud > > I just wish everyone else were as excited as I am :( We're getting > another > > AMS station on. I kinda thought I'd see a little more excitement and > maybe > > a "way to go Michael!" here or there. Haven't really seen a whole lot. I > > really thought this was one of the causes we fought for. Why we're here. > > Why we're still fighting. If that's not the case, just let me know and > I'll > > quit cluttering up everyone's email boxes with a bunch of useless info :( > > From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Jul 25 15:26:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 25 Jul 2002 22:26:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 71793 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2002 22:26:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2002 22:26:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2002 22:26:51 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.65]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 18:25:17 -0400 Message-ID: <002001c2342a$6654cee0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: Subject: NASRC book Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 18:27:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I got the 1977 National AM Sterepohonic Radio Committee book today that I won on ebay- this thing is HUGE! What intrigues me most is the list of all the people involved in this thing, and yet no one on that list is on this list.... can't help but wonder where they all are now? Kahn's system is not tested at all- not even mentioned, although his name is on the members list. Man, what all these people and corporations went through on this- it is simply amazing what happened. I wish all could see this book, but due to it's size, it would take up a website all of it's own.. CC From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Jul 25 15:31:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 25 Jul 2002 22:31:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 15746 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2002 22:31:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2002 22:31:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2002 22:31:20 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.65]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 18:29:46 -0400 Message-ID: <002601c2342b$06d8ba20$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AMS Coming! Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 18:31:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Michael! We are VERY happy about this! I would have replied, but have been away from the computer for a bit- it has been an awful summer, heat wise.... lack of energy....I did notice on my other lists, there has been no activity. Anyway, for the 5 volts on the crystal, use the Vcc of one of the nearby IC's. I will give you the part # of the exact xtal you need- but DigiKey has a $25.00 minimum, just so you know... CC From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Jul 25 15:39:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 25 Jul 2002 22:39:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 26376 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2002 22:39:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2002 22:39:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2002 22:39:10 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn38.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.42]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 16:39:10 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} New AMS Coming! Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 16:39:07 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <002601c2342b$06d8ba20$0101a8c0@pavilion> Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Chris! Already ordered it online. Just ordered that....if they want to up it to $25 that's fine with me. And I was checking the vcc of the nearby chips and it is indeed 4.95V so I hope that's close enough :) I guess while I'm waiting for it to get here, I'll need to design and build a new "audio switcher" box for the studio. Right now there's a MONO box above the board. Flip the switch one way and the board is on the air. Flip it the other way, and the board is off the air and the transmitter is fed straight from the automation computer. Both have stereo out that has been mono'd. Very easily fixable. I'm thinking of using just a couple (or maybe just one) 6V relays. We're talking BALANCED audio...otherwise I could just use a little radio shack stereo audio switch box. So I need to build that and implement it before we'll even have stereo audio going to the transmitter. As of this afternoon the stereo processors are installed (one mono feed feeding both channels for now). Meanwhile within about 3 days we should have all new tubes for the transmitter. This is all gonna sound AWESOME when I'm done with it....which hopefully will be by the end of next week.! Michael [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu Jul 25 17:22:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 26 Jul 2002 00:22:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 40753 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2002 00:22:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2002 00:22:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.52) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2002 00:22:31 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:22:31 -0700 Received: from 209.240.222.130 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 00:22:30 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@bellsouth.net Bcc: Subject: ClearChannel profits up Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 00:22:30 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2002 00:22:31.0457 (UTC) FILETIME=[8804F910:01C2343A] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.222.130] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 From today's (Thursday, 25 July) San Antonio (Texas) News express: (url link follows) NEW: Clear Channel reports $238 million profit for quarter   By Travis E. Poling Express-News Business Writer   Web Posted : 07/24/2002 9:10 AM   Clear Channel Communications Inc. has returned to solid profitability in the second quarter, announcing today that the San Antonio-based radio, billboard and entertainment giant had a profit of $238 million. That compares with a net loss of $237 million for the same quarter last year. Revenue for the quarter ended June 30 was $2.17 billion, flat compared with the same quarter in 2001. Free cash flow, which drives the company's ability to grow, was up 40 percent for the period to $365 million from $261 million. Clear Channel's good news was released a week earlier than initially planned to save the stock from another day of free fall. Investors have punished shares of the firm for months, and Tuesday the company lost 16.5 percent of its value, closing at $25 a share. Shares of Clear Channel went on a roller coaster ride this morning, dropping to $20 a share at one point, but they recovered to close up 38 cents for the day at $25.38. In the past year, Clear Channel shares had been as high as $61. Tuesday's loss of share value was thought to be a reaction to the move of Randy Michaels from CEO of the Clear Channel Radio division to a newly created New Technology division. Clear Channel President Mark Mays was named acting CEO of the radio division immediately. In an early morning conference call with communications industry analysts, Clear Channel CEO Lowry Mays called the rumors circulating in the market "malicious" and having no basis in fact. "It's my hope and desire that accelerating this release will put the recent innuendos to rest so that we can get them behind us," Mays said. "We are doing what's most important for this company, focusing on the fundamentals of our business and operating (as we have done historically) to create shareholder value. Further, despite the recent performance of our stock and the overall volatility of the stock market, we believe the fundamentals of our business remain sound." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Could this be true or is it creative bookkeeping? url: http://news.mysanantonio.com/global-includes/printStory.cfm?xla='saen'&xlb=181&xlc=767016 btw- thanks to Steve, in Texas for letting me know about this article. donn in steamy am-stereo free St Petersburg _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jul 25 17:29:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 26 Jul 2002 00:29:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 76331 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2002 00:29:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2002 00:29:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2002 00:29:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2002 00:29:34 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 00:29:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New AMS Coming! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 242 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.81.151 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Not quite as quiet as Shane has been for the last few month, but > almost! :) Oh, Shane is still here, watching quietly, along with Al, Leonard, and Marvin.... although I believe Ragnar Danneskjold has gone MIA... right, Kevin R.? :-) From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu Jul 25 17:32:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 26 Jul 2002 00:32:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 26121 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2002 00:32:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2002 00:32:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.47) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2002 00:32:43 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:32:42 -0700 Received: from 209.240.222.130 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 00:32:42 GMT To: amstereo@bellsouth.net Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: ClearChannel releases profit statement early Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 00:32:42 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2002 00:32:42.0714 (UTC) FILETIME=[F45B63A0:01C2343B] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.222.130] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 If the url on the prior ClearChannel post didn't work, try this: http://news.mysanantonio.com/story.cfm?xla=saen&xlb=181&xlc=767016 _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Jul 25 17:36:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 26 Jul 2002 00:36:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 13013 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2002 00:36:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2002 00:36:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2002 00:36:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2002 00:36:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 00:36:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: domain Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 670 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.81.151 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Just checked for the heck of it to see who indeed has the domain > name "amstereo.com" > It's a guy named Robert W. Kramer in Clinton, IA. He's with CIS > Internet Services. Who is he? For what it's worth, KROS 1340 AM Stereo in Clinton, IA uses CIS for their Internet hosting: http://kros.clinton.net/ It might just be a coincidence, but as you can tell from their web site, KROS is quite proud of being an AM Stereo station... perhaps proud enough to reserve "www.amstereo.com"? I don't know if it's still up, but a while back on KROS's web site I found a picture of their studio building, and in huge letters on the side it says "KROS" and "AM STEREO". From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu Jul 25 17:45:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 26 Jul 2002 00:45:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 22498 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2002 00:45:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2002 00:45:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.153) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2002 00:45:10 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:45:10 -0700 Received: from 209.240.222.130 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 00:45:10 GMT To: amstereo@bellsouth.net Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Cox Radio sue Body Solutions make for unpaid advertsing... Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 00:45:10 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2002 00:45:10.0625 (UTC) FILETIME=[B2258D10:01C2343D] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.222.130] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 url now: http://64.4.36.250:80/cgi-bin/linkrd?_lang=EN&lah=2daa9473c1a7ef5a848693dd2dc0dd61&lat=1027643919&hm___action=http%3a%2f%2fnews%2emysanantonio%2ecom%2fstory%2ecfm%3fxla%3dsaen%26xlb%3d181%26xlc%3d767016 film at 11! :) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu Jul 25 17:55:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 26 Jul 2002 00:55:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 57554 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2002 00:55:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2002 00:55:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2002 00:55:07 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:55:07 -0700 Received: from 209.240.222.130 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 00:55:06 GMT To: amstereo@bellsouth.net Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Cox Radio (another url to try) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 00:55:06 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2002 00:55:07.0237 (UTC) FILETIME=[15C15150:01C2343F] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.222.130] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 url now: http://64.4.36.250:80/cgi-bin/linkrd?_lang=EN&lah=6eb3de925a8a35f6d0d55ba100d1779d&lat=1027643799&hm___action=http%3a%2f%2fnews%2emysanantonio%2ecom%2fstory%2ecfm%3fxla%3dsaen%26xlb%3d181%26xlc%3d767016 film at 11! if this doesn't work, go back to the url for the ClearChannel story and to the left select business, then scroll down to the headline: "Cox Radio sues Body Solutions Maker. donn st petersburg _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu Jul 25 18:23:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 26 Jul 2002 01:23:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 52313 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2002 01:23:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2002 01:23:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.10) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2002 01:23:46 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 18:23:46 -0700 Received: from 209.240.222.130 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 01:23:45 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Shane, Al and others Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 01:23:45 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2002 01:23:46.0416 (UTC) FILETIME=[16773700:01C23443] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.222.130] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 donn wrote: >Not quite as quiet as Shane has been for the last few month, but >almost! :) Kevin T responded: >Oh, Shane is still here, watching quietly, along with Al, Leonard, and Marvin.... >although I believe >Ragnar Danneskjold has gone MIA... right, Kevin R.?  :-) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Those were the days my friend, we thought they'd never end...... At the time I was hoping that Thomas Alva Edison would grace the group with a post! I figured if the late Leonard Kahn could post from the other side; certainly Thomas Alva Edison could as well! :) donn st petersburg,fl _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From n0uiheric@aol.com Thu Jul 25 18:44:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 26 Jul 2002 01:44:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 49533 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2002 01:44:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2002 01:44:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r05.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.101) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2002 01:44:27 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.89.1b4c16dd (4222) for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 21:44:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <89.1b4c16dd.2a720376@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 21:44:22 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} ClearChannel profits up To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih I smell the books being cooked on this one! 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From n0uiheric@aol.com Thu Jul 25 18:44:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 26 Jul 2002 01:44:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 37356 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2002 01:44:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2002 01:44:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r08.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.104) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2002 01:44:30 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.1a7.5b152a8 (4222) for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 21:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1a7.5b152a8.2a720379@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 21:44:25 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AMS Coming! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Way to go, Michael! Now, if only you could buy KIRL 1460 St. Charles, MO and convert it to AM Stereo! 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From fanfare@globility.com Thu Jul 25 18:46:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 26 Jul 2002 01:46:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 31748 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2002 01:46:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2002 01:46:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2002 01:46:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2002 01:46:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 01:46:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: NASRC book Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002001c2342a$6654cee0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1003 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amfmguy" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.235.172 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Christopher Cuff" wrote: > I got the 1977 National AM Sterepohonic Radio Committee book today that I > won on ebay- this thing is HUGE! > What intrigues me most is the list of all the people involved in this thing, > and yet no one on that list is on this list.... can't help but wonder where > they all are now? (snip, snip) Hi Chris These guys worked on AMAX development at Motorola. Greg Buchwald - Larry Echlin Roy Espe Bob Bothun I think Roy Espe was the lead. All are retired now. Most left when Motorola declared the first $750 million loss in '78. Bothun was the last of the crew and retired about a year ago. Bothun was the one who introduced me to AMAX in '94 and he was the one who sold me on the concept. Although a guy named Quinn who then owned an extended band station in Elizabeth NJ, WJDM I believe did a little selling as well. It wasn't until '96 that I got the semi-bright idea to develop a production AMEX model. M. From amfmdx@fastq.com Fri Jul 26 01:14:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 26 Jul 2002 08:14:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 23073 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2002 08:14:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2002 08:14:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2002 08:14:00 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d90-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.122]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g6Q8DxT99784 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 01:13:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <002d01c2347c$63d6b640$7af9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} domain Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 01:13:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla KROS AM stereo in Clinton IA. Ring a bell yet? Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael J. Richard" To: Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 3:07 PM Subject: {AMSF} domain > Hi again...I know...I have diarreah of the email today.... > Just checked for the heck of it to see who indeed has the domain name > "amstereo.com" > It's a guy named Robert W. Kramer in Clinton, IA. He's with CIS Internet > Services. Who is he? > I wonder why he has it? I wonder what he wants it for? I wonder if he's in > to AM Stereo? Wouldn't THAT be an ever better name for our site than > amstereoradio.com? > > By the way, amstereo.net, amstereo.org ARE available. > Either of those would be pretty cool to have as well :) > > MJR > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From fanfare@globility.com Fri Jul 26 05:08:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 26 Jul 2002 12:08:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 41179 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2002 12:08:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2002 12:08:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2002 12:08:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2002 12:08:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:08:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} ClearChannel profits up Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <89.1b4c16dd.2a720376@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 732 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amfmguy" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.233.65 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy "We are doing what's most important for this company, focusing on the fundamentals of our business and operating (as we have done historically) to create shareholder value. ..... " I was looking for words like "listener" or "audience". Did I miss something? M. --- In amstereoforum@y..., n0uiheric@a... wrote: > I smell the books being cooked on this one! > > 73 and good DX from Eric > Amateur Radio Station N0UIH > Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN > Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 > DXing The World since 1981 > Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel > PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION > "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Jul 26 05:34:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 26 Jul 2002 12:34:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 89315 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2002 12:34:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2002 12:34:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.63) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2002 12:34:26 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 05:34:26 -0700 Received: from 199.173.224.20 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:34:26 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@bellsouth.net Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} ClearChannel profits up Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:34:26 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2002 12:34:26.0868 (UTC) FILETIME=[C7A4E740:01C234A0] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [199.173.224.20] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 amfm guy(Fanfare) wrote: >(ClearChannel) "We are doing what's most important for this company, focusing on the fundamentals of our business and operating (as we have done historically) to create shareholder value. ..... " ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >I was looking for words like "listener" or "audience". Did I miss something? ------------------------------------- I was looking for those words as well, I guess that ClearChannel is so big, that they no longer have to pretend to care about the customer or public or even give "lip-service" to the idea or serving the public or listeners. (even though they profit nicely off the Public airwaves) donn clearly in ClearChannel dominated Florida _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From mychucky@funport.net Fri Jul 26 05:38:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mychucky@funport.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 26 Jul 2002 12:38:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 95835 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2002 12:38:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2002 12:38:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.funport.com) (216.199.19.6) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2002 12:38:36 -0000 Received: from FatMusic2000 ([]) by mail.funport.com (Merak 5.0.1) with SMTP id JFB36580 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 08:35:04 -0400 Message-ID: <003e01c234a1$b30fc790$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> To: References: <002d01c2347c$63d6b640$7af9bed8@kredding430cdt> Subject: Re: {AMSF} domain Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 08:41:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85836819 X-Yahoo-Profile: mychucky1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have talked to him in the past and he want's money for it. He registered it and has sat on it for 6 or 7 years. His interest is not AM Stereo he just had a friend that worked for a radio station or something and registered it for the station. when they showed no interest he has kept it. That is what he told me...........on the phone when I contacted him Chuck www.stereoam.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin - Mesa, Arizona To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 4:13 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} domain KROS AM stereo in Clinton IA. Ring a bell yet? Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael J. Richard" To: Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 3:07 PM Subject: {AMSF} domain > Hi again...I know...I have diarreah of the email today.... > Just checked for the heck of it to see who indeed has the domain name > "amstereo.com" > It's a guy named Robert W. Kramer in Clinton, IA. He's with CIS Internet > Services. Who is he? > I wonder why he has it? I wonder what he wants it for? I wonder if he's in > to AM Stereo? Wouldn't THAT be an ever better name for our site than > amstereoradio.com? > > By the way, amstereo.net, amstereo.org ARE available. > Either of those would be pretty cool to have as well :) > > MJR > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Fri Jul 26 05:49:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 26 Jul 2002 12:49:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 16321 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2002 12:49:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2002 12:49:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf05bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.165) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2002 12:49:51 -0000 Received: from juan ([67.34.215.84]) by imf05bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020726125123.KIID1189.imf05bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 08:51:23 -0400 Message-ID: <003c01c234a2$f04671d0$af78fea9@juan> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AMS Coming! Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 08:49:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Way to go Michael !. Yes, in can get discouraging, but hang in there. I know exactly what you feel sometimes..all the work, and for what, but thank God for the members on the list who may not always write something all the time, but are with all the positive projects in spirit and EXCELLENT advice, cause yes, people can be busy...and I am speaking from experience. Kind of exciting isn't it ? Soon, two new AM Stereo stations back on the air. It's a start. WTTB project is going slow, but we'll get it done. Unfortunetely, when the engineer gets a project done, two more pop up. He is busy, but I have promised him all the help I can give him, at the very least driving him to the transmitter and reading manuals and instructions to him (he's legally blind). Keep it up Michael ! Juan ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael J. Richard To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 5:22 PM Subject: RE: {AMSF} New AMS Coming! Good news and bad news now... I can take the modulation monitor from Price at any time. Doesn't need a crystal. It's controlled by a DIP switch panel inside. So it's just a matter of changing it to 1240 for us. Meanwhile on the exciter, Cinox told me that those crystals are something they gave up a LONG time ago. So I may have to go the route that Chris Cuff suggested on the part of getting a "programmable" crystal from Digi-key. I hope it works. I'll start snooping right now for a 5v power lead for it. Chris....could you maybe provide me a little more info on exactly what I need so that I can order it? Meanwhile I've got Bob Carter to help with the major engineering on the transmitter's part since he's got the same transmitter over there in North Carolina. This will all be together shortly! I just wish everyone else were as excited as I am :( We're getting another AMS station on. I kinda thought I'd see a little more excitement and maybe a "way to go Michael!" here or there. Haven't really seen a whole lot. I really thought this was one of the causes we fought for. Why we're here. Why we're still fighting. If that's not the case, just let me know and I'll quit cluttering up everyone's email boxes with a bunch of useless info :( MJR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From fanfare@globility.com Fri Jul 26 06:27:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmguy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 26 Jul 2002 13:27:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 31442 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2002 13:27:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2002 13:27:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO columbus.globility.com) (205.189.152.11) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2002 13:27:56 -0000 Received: from FAN-2-PJS (dynamic-b1-65.highspeed.eol.ca [64.56.233.65]) by columbus.globility.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g6QDRti05264 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:27:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200207260927370998.0072B192@mail.globility.com> In-Reply-To: <003e01c234a1$b30fc790$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> References: <002d01c2347c$63d6b640$7af9bed8@kredding430cdt> <003e01c234a1$b30fc790$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:27:37 -0400 To: "Kevin Tekel" Subject: Re: {AMSF} domain Mime-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-From: "amfmguy" From: "amfmguy" Reply-To: fanfare@globility.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perhaps the group might consider this; The use of ".org" has been mandated for organizations of a non-profit nature. NPR/PBS uses it extensively. And, it is still a 'top level' domain extension, along with '.com' and '.net'. With the influx of so many new DNS extensions, the ".com" will have a tendency to lose its importance anyways. The most important thing is that the search engines pick up on it. They do a good job with "amstereo" now. M. *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 7/26/2002 at 8:41 AM mychucky@funport.net wrote: I have talked to him in the past and he want's money for it. He registered it and has sat on it for 6 or 7 years. His interest is not AM Stereo he just had a friend that worked for a radio station or something and registered it for the station. when they showed no interest he has kept it. That is what he told me...........on the phone when I contacted him Chuck www.stereoam.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin - Mesa, Arizona To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 4:13 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} domain KROS AM stereo in Clinton IA. Ring a bell yet? Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael J. Richard" To: Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 3:07 PM Subject: {AMSF} domain > Hi again...I know...I have diarreah of the email today.... > Just checked for the heck of it to see who indeed has the domain name > "amstereo.com" > It's a guy named Robert W. Kramer in Clinton, IA. He's with CIS Internet > Services. Who is he? > I wonder why he has it? I wonder what he wants it for? I wonder if he's in > to AM Stereo? Wouldn't THAT be an ever better name for our site than > amstereoradio.com? > > By the way, amstereo.net, amstereo.org ARE available. > Either of those would be pretty cool to have as well :) > > MJR > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jul 26 07:22:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 26 Jul 2002 14:22:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 46796 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2002 14:22:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2002 14:22:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2002 14:22:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2002 14:22:06 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 14:22:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1210 WPHT Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 195 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics This morning on my car radio I was getting an intermittent AM Stereo pilot from 1210 WPHT. This could just be a fluke or their engineer could be "testing" and turning the exciter on and off. From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Jul 26 08:18:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 26 Jul 2002 15:18:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 89111 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2002 15:18:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2002 15:18:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2002 15:18:00 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn48.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.52]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:18:00 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} New AMS Coming! Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:17:54 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <003c01c234a2$f04671d0$af78fea9@juan> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Juan and all! I wasn't fishing for compliments or anything. I guess I was just feeling a little down that I had mentioned another station going stereo and not much had been said. But thanks everyone for the attaboy's. Now then...since it's local, I'll be able to grab an aircheck right to my computer right from my UX-1 once it's going. Or I'll take my Aiwa up there while I'm on the air and do some recording. Maybe even record right into my computer from my SRF-42....that'd sound a little better. In case I didn't mention it, I'll be back on the air Monday morning...it's official now. I'm back to work there again :) Only a little better....I'm getting paid hourly instead of salary, and engineering time will be billed to them at a much higher rate. Their idea. So as you can see...I've been busy myself..so I understand :) I'm always here for helpful advice on anything I can help with too. And I'm glad we were here too when you (Juan) first approached us with the WTTB project. I'm so glad to hear everything is making progress on your end too. I hope it continues to go well. Your engineer almost sounds like ours. He's not legally blind (yet) but he's getting old. And he'd rather talk me through anything than make the trip from Salt Lake City. Stick with him....you'll learn a LOT! That's how I'm able to do a lot of this stuff! True engineers KNOW THEIR STUFF and I have a great deal of respect for all these guys! Michael -----Original Message----- From: Juan / John Gualda [mailto:gualdaj@bellsouth.net] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 6:50 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AMS Coming! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Jul 26 08:55:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 26 Jul 2002 15:55:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 89554 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2002 15:55:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2002 15:55:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2002 15:55:45 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-212.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.212]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g6QFqSiu013524; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:52:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00b001c234bd$a8f83fa0$d3a9fea9@me> To: , "[Dennis' AM Stereo List]" Subject: to all you aspiring station owners Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:01:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If any of you are looking for an AM station on the cheap, I have one for you. WIXK AM and FM in New Richmond, WI (about an hour east of St. Paul) were bought for the FM which was moved to the twin cities. The AM is still a New Richmond station, but it is now largely ignored by the local community. Format is satellite country with almost no local presence. If you decide to buy the station, please keep that in mind. You will have a lot of work to do to regain public good will. Chances are Hubbard Broadcasting will sell it to you at stick value, or if a group of you want to form some sort of nonprofit, take it on a donation basis. Station is not stereo, but I'll personally buy the exciter and mod monitor to sweeten the deal. You'll have to get your own audio processing. Hubbard tried *donating* the station to a few local groups and had no takers. Plan on moving to New Richmond and getting to know the folks there. Will provide engineering assistance free, at least at the beginning. Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Jul 26 08:59:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 26 Jul 2002 15:59:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 15734 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2002 15:59:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2002 15:59:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2002 15:59:07 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-212.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.212]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g6QFtriu014455 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:55:54 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00b601c234be$224d0a20$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <00b001c234bd$a8f83fa0$d3a9fea9@me> Subject: Re: {AMSF} to all you aspiring station owners Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:04:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude PS- station is 5kW- ND-D. I understand that it could add 70W night service. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" From amfmdx@fastq.com Fri Jul 26 10:52:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 26 Jul 2002 17:52:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 3652 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2002 17:52:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2002 17:52:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2002 17:52:19 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d103-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.135]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g6QHqIT08327 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:52:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <012a01c234cd$25a67080$7af9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: New AMS Coming! Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:52:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > ... although I believe Ragnar Danneskjold has gone MIA... I am the real Ragnar Danneskjold. Kevin From fanfare@globility.com Fri Jul 26 11:34:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 26 Jul 2002 18:34:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 88354 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2002 18:34:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2002 18:34:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2002 18:34:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2002 18:34:00 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 18:33:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: NASRC book Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1335 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amfmguy" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.233.65 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy My sincere apologies for my error in the following sentence( from the original submision below) "Most left when Motorola declared the first $750 million loss in '78." The year should have read "'98". M. --- In amstereoforum@y..., "amfmguy" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Christopher Cuff" wrote: > > I got the 1977 National AM Sterepohonic Radio Committee book today > that I > > won on ebay- this thing is HUGE! > > What intrigues me most is the list of all the people involved in > this thing, > > and yet no one on that list is on this list.... can't help but > wonder where > > they all are now? > (snip, snip) > > Hi Chris > > These guys worked on AMAX development at Motorola. > > Greg Buchwald - > Larry Echlin > Roy Espe > Bob Bothun > > I think Roy Espe was the lead. All are retired now. Most left when > Motorola declared the first $750 million loss in '78. Bothun was the > last of the crew and retired about a year ago. Bothun was the one > who introduced me to AMAX in '94 and he was the one who sold me on > the concept. Although a guy named Quinn who then owned an extended > band station in Elizabeth NJ, WJDM I believe did a little selling as > well. It wasn't until '96 that I got the semi-bright idea to > develop a production AMEX model. > > M. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Jul 26 12:16:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 26 Jul 2002 19:16:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 36794 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2002 19:16:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2002 19:16:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14204.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.146) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2002 19:16:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20020726191604.54712.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.190] by web14204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:16:04 PDT Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:16:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Mike is 'da-man' getting AMS on air! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio MJR - adding another AMS to the fold is excellent! Take your time and do us proud - AGAIN! BTW: I've had limited sucess with regular relays on audio - make sure you've got some decent precious metal contacts - gold or silver plated contacts. Also, do you have to 'ground-out' the unused audio? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Jul 26 14:33:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 26 Jul 2002 21:32:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 50254 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2002 21:32:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2002 21:32:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2002 21:32:59 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn80.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.84]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:32:59 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Mike is 'da-man' getting AMS on air! Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:32:53 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20020726191604.54712.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks John! I'm gonna search around for some decent relays to use.....or even easier if I could fine it...a plain old switch that has enough contacts. I guess it would have to be 4pdt. Hmmmmm....maybe I'll look around a little harder. That'd be easier than having to get relays and a power supply for the relays. Me very excited about this. I have yet to ever "work" on an AM STEREO station. I've never been a jock on the air at one I mean. So this'll be a first for me. :) MJR -----Original Message----- From: Johnny Electron [mailto:toledohamradio@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 1:16 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Mike is 'da-man' getting AMS on air! MJR - adding another AMS to the fold is excellent! Take your time and do us proud - AGAIN! BTW: I've had limited sucess with regular relays on audio - make sure you've got some decent precious metal contacts - gold or silver plated contacts. Also, do you have to 'ground-out' the unused audio? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Jul 26 20:26:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 27 Jul 2002 03:26:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 98336 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2002 03:26:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2002 03:26:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2002 03:26:03 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn85.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.89]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 21:26:03 -0600 To: Subject: Testing.... Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 21:25:54 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo *tap tap tap* Hello?! Is this thing on?? Tough crowd! No messages since 4 this afternoon! Wondering if everything's still working. MJR From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Jul 26 20:31:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 27 Jul 2002 03:31:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 21838 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2002 03:31:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2002 03:31:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2002 03:31:47 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-189.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.189]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g6R3L3iu015647 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 22:21:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000d01c2351d$dabc6a60$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020726191604.54712.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mike is 'da-man' getting AMS on air! Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 22:29:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I've got a 4PDT relay switching two of my stations between a T-1 and 8K loop. They work rather well. Best if you can find some latching relays, that way they only have to be pulsed rather than continuously powered. I'll second the notion of silver or gold contacts, but you don't have to ground out the unused audio. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnny Electron" > BTW: I've had limited sucess with regular relays on audio - make sure you've > got some decent precious metal contacts - gold or silver plated contacts. > Also, do you have to 'ground-out' the unused audio? From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Jul 26 20:42:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 27 Jul 2002 03:42:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 21055 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2002 03:42:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2002 03:42:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2002 03:42:00 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn85.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.89]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 21:41:37 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Mike is 'da-man' getting AMS on air! Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 21:41:31 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000d01c2351d$dabc6a60$d3a9fea9@me> From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Latching relays! What a great idea! I could use two momentary pushbuttons instead of a switch. Even rig up a little LED for "board on the air" and "board off the air". :) Can ya tell I like building little projects like this? :) MJR -----Original Message----- From: Scott Todd [mailto:stodd@sherbtel.net] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 9:30 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mike is 'da-man' getting AMS on air! I've got a 4PDT relay switching two of my stations between a T-1 and 8K loop. They work rather well. Best if you can find some latching relays, that way they only have to be pulsed rather than continuously powered. I'll second the notion of silver or gold contacts, but you don't have to ground out the unused audio. ST [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jul 26 20:52:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 27 Jul 2002 03:52:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 74651 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2002 03:52:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2002 03:52:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2002 03:52:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2002 03:52:04 -0000 Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 03:52:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Testing.... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 750 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > *tap tap tap* Hello?! > Is this thing on?? **Squeal** Ouch! Feedback! Anyway, message group activity seems to have its ups and downs... and for some reason, during this summer, it has been mostly down, for almost all of the groups I participate in. I'd like to think it's because more people are outside enjoying the summer weather, or going on vacations, etc., and are away from their computers for longer periods of time. But, this AM Stereo Forum is still averaging 500 to 600 messages per month, which is a nice healthy figure -- I've seen some groups do over 1000 messages a month, but at that point it just gets too much and you have to start skipping messages because you can't read them all in a reasonable amount of time. From groucho@skyweb.net Sat Jul 27 00:03:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 27 Jul 2002 07:03:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 77264 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2002 07:03:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2002 07:03:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2002 07:03:07 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6R78adZ095446 for ; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 03:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D4244C6.E6A1DED6@skyweb.net> Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 02:59:19 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Testing.... References: From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tonight I had a band say to me so what do you think can you give us some Positive feedback... so Let them have it by adding 12db of 3.15 and 6.3 K into the monitors.. heheheh Neal. kevtronics wrote: > > *tap tap tap* Hello?! > > Is this thing on?? > > **Squeal** Ouch! Feedback! > > Anyway, message group activity seems to have its ups and downs... and > for some reason, during this summer, it has been mostly down, for > almost all of the groups I participate in. I'd like to think it's > because more people are outside enjoying the summer weather, or going > on vacations, etc., and are away from their computers for longer > periods of time. > > But, this AM Stereo Forum is still averaging 500 to 600 messages per > month, which is a nice healthy figure -- I've seen some groups do > over 1000 messages a month, but at that point it just gets too much > and you have to start skipping messages because you can't read them > all in a reasonable amount of time. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Jul 27 00:42:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 27 Jul 2002 07:42:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 31627 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2002 07:42:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2002 07:42:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2002 07:42:17 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.52]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 03:40:40 -0400 Message-ID: <002501c23541$27ed3a80$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Testing.... Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 03:42:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I can vouch for that too- My other group, (not radio related) was around 500 messages a month, and now, its about 2 a day... Everyone polled agreed it is the "dog days" when nobody feels like being in front of a computer.... CC ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics From mychucky@funport.net Sat Jul 27 07:54:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mychucky@funport.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 27 Jul 2002 14:54:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 4749 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2002 14:54:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2002 14:54:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.funport.com) (216.199.19.6) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2002 14:54:38 -0000 Received: from FatMusic2000 ([]) by mail.funport.com (Merak 5.0.1) with SMTP id JFB36580; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 10:51:06 -0400 Message-ID: <00fe01c2357d$df3ce7d0$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> To: "W B Reese" <*@radions.net>, "Ron Gitschier WGSR" <1570wgsr@bellsouth.net>, Cc: "Sheri Lynch" Subject: Fw: Vote On All 7 WTC Designs Now Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 10:56:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85836819 X-Yahoo-Profile: mychucky1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings and Salutations to all......... This is not Spam, I'll try to be brief.... Only about three times a year do I select almost everyone on my email address book for a little missive. I believe in rebuilding the World Trade Center and support this design the others were S"O dull and "Short" Can you imagine an 80 story replacement. Not very impressive. Very seldom do I make a statement however if they rebuild it, it needs to make a continuing statement of elegance like the last towers . Please take a look at the site and vote. Sorry to bother those that are busier than I am and no I did this on my own, nobody is paying me to forward this. Regards Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: press@wtc2002.com To: Undisclosed-Recipient:@mail014.syd.optusnet.com.au; Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 4:41 AM Subject: Vote On All 7 WTC Designs Now Greetings My Friends: Please excuse this interim email but I need your support now more than ever. As you already know, none of the six designs presented for the new World Trade Center as depicted in the July 26 edition of the New York Post and presented at the "Listening to the Cities" Conference in Manhattan on Saturday, July 20 were met with public support. To ensure that the process of design elimination is conducted fairly and democratically, let me give you the chance to vote on those six WTC designs and my design WTC2002. The Lower Manhattan Development Corporation will review the results of this poll more seriously than ever before. Once our design, WTC2002 has achieved a 55% or more positive "YES" vote from the people who log on to we will secure our position as the 7th design. For all of us, we always knew our design embodied the spirit of America and the spirit of the lives taken on that tragic day almost 11 months ago. My valued friend, help WTC2002, the 7th design, be presented formally to both The World, The New York Port Authority and the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation as the design of choice by the Global Village. It is most important now (beyond the great support you have provided to date) that everyone click on and vote "YES" on I encourage you to send this email to your friends, families and co-workers. It is the "People's Will" to rebuild this magnificent structure on "Ground Hero" and more importantly re-assert to The World our position. I thank you in advance and encourage you to Think Big! Be Happy, Derek G. Turner P.S "You are the light of the world. A city built on a hill cannot be hid. No-one after lighting a lamp puts it under the bushel basket, but on the lamp-stand, and it gives light to all in the house. In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father in heaven". (I believe that this text could well have been written for the City of New York, in fact it is found in Matthew, Chapter 5 Verse 14,15,16). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Ian.Davidson@csiro.au Sat Jul 27 17:23:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 28 Jul 2002 00:23:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 78147 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2002 00:23:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2002 00:23:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bastion1.vic.csiro.au) (138.194.2.8) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2002 00:23:23 -0000 Received: from bastion1.vic.csiro.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bastion1.vic.csiro.au (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g6S0NL812111 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 10:23:21 +1000 (EST) Received: from clex2.vic.csiro.au (clex2.vic.CSIRO.AU [138.194.13.22]) by bastion1.vic.csiro.au (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g6S0NLt12106 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 10:23:21 +1000 (EST) Received: by clex2.vic.CSIRO.AU with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 10:23:21 +1000 Message-ID: <4897C24A770BD411837E00C04F01A1FC01040536@clex2.vic.CSIRO.AU> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Interference Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 10:23:16 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) List-Unsubscribe: Content-Type: text/plain From: Ian.Davidson@csiro.au X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89052933 When on 1503 3AK was continually complaining about interference with 2BS Bathurst - 500 miles away. Since moving to 1116 it's copped it from 4BC 1000 miles away. From the Sunday Age 3AK exorcises the ghost who talks By Lawrence Money July 28 2002 Not long ago, the listeners to 3AK/Talk 1116 began complaining that they could hear ghostly voices behind the AK transmission. Management at the star-rich, ratings-poor station were confounded. The intermittent ghostly voices were spoiling their signal. It was the last thing they needed as they hammered away at their mighty commercial rival, the all-conquering 3AW. Then technicians found an answer. The ghostly voices seemed to be coming from the transmissions of Brisbane radio station 4BC which uses the same wavelength: 1116. That was when the conspiracy theories started, prompted by the fact that 4BC is an affiliate station of that same all-conquering champ, 3AW. Did one and one make two? The Australian Broadcasting Authority, which had earlier authorised a night/day power switching trial for 4BC, investigated and found faulty computer software at the Brisbane station. "That has been resolved," said the ABA. http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/07/27/1027497432519.html From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Jul 27 18:32:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 28 Jul 2002 01:32:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 90851 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2002 01:32:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2002 01:32:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2002 01:32:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2002 01:32:34 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 01:32:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: CT AM Stereo report Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2705 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.70.7 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics On a trip to the Bridgeport, Connecticut area today, I was glad to have some good AM and AM Stereo radio to accompany me. It was much appreciated when I was creeping my way along some of the worst highway traffic and congestion I have seen, including being stuck in stop-and-go traffic for over half an hour all because one lane of the highway was closed for a whopping 500 feet or so! Argh... I pity anyone who has to drive on I-95 in the greater NYC area on a regular basis. Anyway, I did enjoy great AM Stereo from 850 WREF (Ridgefield, CT) -- the signal was strong and clear and their Stereo sound with the syndicated "Oldies Radio" format is some of the best I've ever heard. If only the AM Oldies stations in my area would have the sense to broadcast in Stereo.... Also, as usual 600 WICC was broadcasting in Stereo with full separation, and I did manage to catch them playing music, which is a rare occurance these days. It did sound good, however their audio processing could use some tweaking, as the sound is rather dull, as if they aren't using any NRSC pre-emphasis. Also, some of the songs were only played in mono even when I know they were recorded in Stereo, such as "Fool If You Think It's Over" by Chris Rea. I also did get Stereo signals from 800 WLAD (Danbury, CT) and 1490 WGCH (Greenwich, CT) but they were running talk programs so I didn't get a chance to check for true Stereo separation. The Stereo signals from 930 WPAT and 1430 WNSW in northeast NJ were coming in very well in this area as well. Being surrounded by the Long Island Sound and the Hudson River, this area of southwestern Connecticut and Westchester and Rockland Counties in NY is *excellent* for daytime AM reception... for example, I could hear 1160 WVNJ from Oakland, NJ all the way along I-287 and I-95 from Morristown, NJ to Bridgeport, CT with a perfectly clear signal (and great AMAX sound, but only in mono). Even 1210 WPHT from Philadelphia was coming in very clearly in the Bridgeport area! However, the electric company in Rockland County, NY has to really get its act together... along I-287 in this area, almost every power line I drove under was *horrendously* noisy, giving a painfully loud and continuous BUZZZZZ across the AM dial... even from large high-voltage power lines that are usually held to higher standards of maintenance. I can only imagine how many kilowatt-hours of electricity would be saved in this area simply by finding and fixing all the bad insulators that are causing all this RF noise. This could have been exaggerated by the dreary, humid weather today, although I've never heard the power lines in my area of NJ be this bad. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Jul 27 22:03:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 28 Jul 2002 05:03:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 80830 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2002 05:03:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2002 05:03:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14206.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2002 05:03:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20020728050335.66243.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.190] by web14206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 22:03:35 PDT Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 22:03:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Still Trying To Get A Local To Go AMS To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I've been working (lobbying, pestering) a local AM station to go AMS for some time now, and I hope to find out next week if I was able to have any effect. The station has been locally owned and operated for 50 years and did not want to sell to Clear Channel, so they took less money from a local ABC/Disney TV station that bought them. I had little success getting replies to a phone call and letter to the new owner, and even sent them a CD in stereo of KDIS (thanks narkspud) requesting stereo at the new station. That didn't merit a response, so I wrote the FCC and suggested that they not allow transfer of license to the new owners unless they 1)had some local programming, 2)stereo AM broadcasting, 3)timely weather warnings. The station went silent this week. The only thing I was able to find out is that I should find out in a week if the station will A=remain silent, B=become a Radio Disney affiliate, C=RD in Stereo AM? Keep your fingers crossed for C. I'll keep you posted. Also, just wrote CCrane too. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From amfmdx@fastq.com Sat Jul 27 22:31:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 28 Jul 2002 05:31:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 93824 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2002 05:31:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2002 05:31:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2002 05:31:20 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d212-osel-phx.fastq.com [207.173.146.73]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g6S5VJT37830 for ; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 22:31:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <031201c235f6$76e45e60$7af9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <20020728050335.66243.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Still Trying To Get A Local To Go AMS Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 22:20:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > A=remain silent, B=become a Radio Disney affiliate, C=RD in Stereo AM? Keep > your fingers crossed for C. I'll keep you posted. Good luck with C. I hope it works. > Also, just wrote CCrane too. Awesome. I am hoping if they get enough letters, they will make one. :) Kevin From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Jul 28 06:54:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 28 Jul 2002 13:54:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 17591 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2002 13:54:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2002 13:54:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2002 13:54:33 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.91]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id ; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 09:53:01 -0400 Message-ID: <002401c2363e$53fda800$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: Cc: Subject: stupid virus alert Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 09:54:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I hate to pass on info on viruses, but I am getting email from people I know that have attachments called "humorous story" or similar. This is a KAK virus, so the people do not know they are sending it- DO NOT open any attachments unless you know for sure about them. If you have it, there are "kak cleaners" on line for free. I have gotten 10 this morning so far. CC From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Jul 28 17:40:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 29 Jul 2002 00:40:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 72902 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2002 00:40:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2002 00:40:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r10.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.106) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2002 00:40:14 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.9c.2388d65b (4380) for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 20:40:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9c.2388d65b.2a75e8e8@aol.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 20:40:08 EDT Subject: Now That Chris Cuff Has Got Out...Who Does AMS Conversions Now? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Now that Chris Cuff has apparently announced his retirement from the radio business, who is doing the conversion work for consumer receivers to AM Stereo now? And how would AM Stereo conversions work if, say, I also requested 110 kHz RF filters for FM? 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From koji-wata@jr-central.co.jp Sun Jul 28 19:27:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: koji-wata@jr-central.co.jp X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 29 Jul 2002 02:27:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 84364 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2002 02:27:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2002 02:27:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO msv1p.jr-central.co.jp) (192.218.64.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2002 02:27:35 -0000 Received: from ins1.jr-central.co.jp ([192.168.25.10]) by msv1.jr-central.co.jp (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.0 Patch 3 (built Mar 23 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GZZ00LGIO5YRR@msv1.jr-central.co.jp> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 11:27:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from ri103014 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ins1.jr-central.co.jp (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g6T2RXW20023 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 11:27:34 +0900 (JST) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 11:27:33 +0900 Subject: data sheet of LM1981 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <200207291127.HFB35817.JBP-XBKLU@jr-central.co.jp> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Winbiff [Version 2.33] Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: ja,en From: Koji WATANABE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Dear members, I acquired "CLAU124 Linear Application Update" issued by National Semiconductor in 1980. The material was kindly supplied from Japanese NS. I recently made its PDF, so I would like to share the fruit. However, its file size is too large for the Yahoo and I can't send it attached with e-mail. So, I decided to send its CD-ROM, please send e- mail to watan-ko@h4.dion.ne.jp if you would like to get it. I also include U.S. patents related to AM stereo. I'm sorry that I would like to ask the members who would like to get the CD-ROM for **10 dollars** as a cost of shipping and the CD-R disk. The CD-ROM contains: "CLAU124 Linear Application Update" issued in Oct. 1980 description: This file introduces the industry's first AM stereo decoder IC: LM1981 The basic operation is described while decoding the Magnavox system. ALso, included is a description of how to decode the Motorola and Belar systems with this same chip.....etc. 50 pages, 23.1Mbytes. "AM stereo patents" filed by USPTO, also including old RCA, Westinghouse systems during '60. Of course, recent NS, Motorola, Harris patents included. Koji Watanabe Nagoya, JAPAN watan-ko@h4.dion.ne.jp From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jul 29 21:57:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jul 2002 04:57:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 90386 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2002 04:56:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2002 04:56:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2002 04:56:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2002 04:56:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 04:56:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: QRZ? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 620 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.68.17 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I guess all is quiet on the AM Stereo front... either that, or everybody had a case of the Monday doldrums. However, I do notice we have some new members here... it is good to see that interest in this Forum, and in AM Stereo in general, continues to grow. Also, I see that July has been an active month here, with 617 messages posted so far this month... we only need five more messages in the next two days to make this the most active month here yet, since the AM Stereo Forum was created in October of last year. So, thank you to everybody here for your participation! Kevin T. Sysop of The AM Stereo Forum From dav259@csiro.au Tue Jul 30 01:45:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jul 2002 08:45:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 327 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2002 08:45:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2002 08:45:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2002 08:45:30 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20387 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 18:45:28 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 18:45:28 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: My Way Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Hey - let me be one of the five messages to break the Forum's monthly record! And thanks to Kevin T for providing it - and also positively contributing to our Oz google board. We've gradually got several regular contributors generally interested in AMS. If only we had the receivers!!! Nevermind - tonight after "a hard day at the office" I switched on Magic and heard the great Francis Albert sing My Way - with that huge Nelson Riddle orchestra. What a sensational track! I turned it up full blast and thought on the SRF-42 there was no better way to hear this evergreen classic. I momentarily switched it to mono - and half the instruments seemed to be lost in the merge. Switching back to wideband stereo you can almost distinguish every single orchestral instrument - right up to the last final pluck of the harp that comes out of the left channel. It would be great if an AMS recorded MP3 of this track was available somewhere to convince the skeptics. Also some Herp Alpert stuff as KT has alluded to. And talking of My Way - huge thanks to our Johnny Electron - who always exudes positivity and continues to push the AMS cause to the limits. Your way John is the way to go! May the Toledo Mud Hens win the final. Welcome to our new members. Please feel free to say something - anything goes here! Just start out by saying where you live and what stations you can pick up in AM stereo. Ian IAAAS Network News Melbourne, Australia From amstereo@optushome.com.au Tue Jul 30 04:28:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@optushome.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jul 2002 11:28:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 73460 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2002 11:28:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2002 11:28:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail016.syd.optusnet.com.au) (210.49.20.174) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2002 11:28:09 -0000 Received: from durocket1200 (c17302.ipswc1.qld.optusnet.com.au [210.49.44.162]) by mail016.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id g6UBS8a02787 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 21:28:08 +1000 Message-ID: <000601c237bc$2f4474b0$1a02a8c0@durocket1200> To: References: <1028022738.1376.48577.m12@yahoogroups.com> Subject: 3 more messages to go tl record Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 21:28:10 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "voltare - matt2" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=105920058 X-Yahoo-Profile: voltar_e I'm glad to see this list as active as it is, even though i don't say much, i listen (read) alot, i'm trying to remember the aussie radio world type monthly newsletter that is on line somewere but don't know the address. listening to radio the last few months, i've noticed a few things, variety really doesn't exist on anything bar a few AM stations, the only FM station worth listening to is river949 (there music style and audio processing is the best brisbane has) with 3 true commercial AM radio stations, one playing classic hits, one an easy listening , and one talkback, the only station i like listening too out of all of them (incl FM) , is talkback 1116 4BC, and it's not because they are the only AMST station in brisbane, thats an added bonus. i wanna run a radio station one day, i'll show'em :) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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Version: 6.0.380 / Virus Database: 213 - Release Date: 24/07/2002 From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Jul 30 04:49:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jul 2002 11:49:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 90452 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2002 11:49:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2002 11:49:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2002 11:49:03 -0000 Received: from Chris1 (unverified [208.228.96.20]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 07:47:25 -0400 Message-ID: <000901c237bf$1cdd46a0$0d01a8c0@Chris1> To: References: <1028022738.1376.48577.m12@yahoogroups.com> <000601c237bc$2f4474b0$1a02a8c0@durocket1200> Subject: Re: {AMSF} 3 more messages to go tl record Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 07:49:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Let the record breaking begin! (from one that still "plays" records...) CC ----- Original Message ----- From: "voltare - matt2" From rjskadl@yahoo.com Tue Jul 30 04:53:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jul 2002 11:53:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 23021 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2002 11:53:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2002 11:53:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2002 11:53:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2002 11:53:41 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 11:53:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: CT AM Stereo report Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1285 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 129.49.129.57 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl > Anyway, I did enjoy great AM Stereo from 850 WREF (Ridgefield, CT)- > the signal was strong and clear Absolutely Correct. I Wish they came in better on LongIsland > > Also, as usual 600 WICC was broadcasting in Stereo with full > separation, and I did manage to catch them playing music, which is > rare occurance these days...some of the songs > were only played in mono even when I know they were recorded in > Stereo... Tell me about it. What is up with that? They seem to be playing more and more stuff in mono lately. I just don't get it. > I also did get Stereo signals from 800 WLAD (Danbury, CT) and 1490 > WGCH (Greenwich, CT) but they were running talk programs so I didn't get a chance to check for true Stereo separation. Both do AMS. You can catch some commercials (few though) in stereo, and also the music going into and out of the talk segments that are locally produced. > The Stereo signals > from 930 WPAT and 1430 WNSW in northeast NJ were coming in very well in this area as well. > They come in lousy on Long Island. We have WNYG on 1440 so that blocks out 1430, and WPAT is just weak. They sometimes have stereo but arte often mono. It is cool when they have an open block of time and they play oldies. In full stereo too. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jul 30 05:58:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jul 2002 12:58:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 86344 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2002 12:58:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2002 12:58:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14201.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.143) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2002 12:58:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20020730125809.88444.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 05:58:09 PDT Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 05:58:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: AMS ramblings To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Not much stereo news so far today as we're dodging severe thunderstorms and high humidy and heat in the 90's (mid 30's C ) here in the Great Lakes Region of the Northern Hemisphere, and the summertime thunderstorms make for poor AM reception. I'd love to try out the new Fanfare Omega receiver during a thunderstorm and see how well it does dodging the lighting static crashes, as my guess is that it will do quite well. Any updates from our two AMS conversions in progress? MJR - do you still need two latching relays - and do you have 24VDC available? And yes Ian, the Toledo Mud Hens baseball club are in first place this year, they have a new downtown station "the Hen House" (aka 5th-3rd Field) and a rightfield 'roost' for home run hitters. They are 1/2 game ahead of the Louisville Bats. Games aren't in stereo AM - I'll have to work on that! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Jul 30 06:49:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jul 2002 13:49:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 12683 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2002 13:49:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2002 13:49:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster1.vcn.com) (209.193.72.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2002 13:49:28 -0000 Received: from keva (unverified [63.175.110.110]) by m1-cluster1.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 07:49:27 -0600 Message-ID: <001f01c237d8$e7ae0400$3301010a@keva> To: References: <20020730125809.88444.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS ramblings Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 07:53:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Thanks again John....I checked everything out. I was correct in my assumption. I do have 24V available. Those latching relays will work perfectly. Just let me know what you need for them. Meanwhile it's the "hurry up and wait" syndrome on this end with the AMS conversion here at KEVA. Awaiting the arrival of the crystal for the AMS exciter. Should be getting here any day now. Meanwhile I did fire it up just to make sure everything worked fine....which it does. So we're in good shape. All new tubes for the transmitter should also be here any day. That was pretty much a necessity to be able to do the conversion. So we should be sounding good within a few days.....and hopefully...my prediciton for full AMS would be probably the end of next week by the latest. Keeping everyone posted.... MJR in (stereo soon!) WYO From mychucky@funport.net Tue Jul 30 07:34:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mychucky@funport.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jul 2002 14:34:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 76794 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2002 14:34:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2002 14:34:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.funport.com) (216.199.19.6) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2002 14:34:50 -0000 Received: from FatMusic2000 ([]) by mail.funport.com (Merak 5.0.1) with SMTP id JFB36580 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:31:40 -0400 Message-ID: <026901c237d6$a69b2670$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} My Way Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:37:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85836819 X-Yahoo-Profile: mychucky1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well I can still get Yamaha TX-492 AM Stereo Tuners.....don't know for how long but they are still in stock There add me to the messages to get us over the topl www.stereoam.com regards chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Davidson To: amstereoforum Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 4:45 AM Subject: {AMSF} My Way Hey - let me be one of the five messages to break the Forum's monthly record! And thanks to Kevin T for providing it - and also positively contributing to our Oz google board. We've gradually got several regular contributors generally interested in AMS. If only we had the receivers!!! Nevermind - tonight after "a hard day at the office" I switched on Magic and heard the great Francis Albert sing My Way - with that huge Nelson Riddle orchestra. What a sensational track! I turned it up full blast and thought on the SRF-42 there was no better way to hear this evergreen classic. I momentarily switched it to mono - and half the instruments seemed to be lost in the merge. Switching back to wideband stereo you can almost distinguish every single orchestral instrument - right up to the last final pluck of the harp that comes out of the left channel. It would be great if an AMS recorded MP3 of this track was available somewhere to convince the skeptics. Also some Herp Alpert stuff as KT has alluded to. And talking of My Way - huge thanks to our Johnny Electron - who always exudes positivity and continues to push the AMS cause to the limits. Your way John is the way to go! May the Toledo Mud Hens win the final. Welcome to our new members. Please feel free to say something - anything goes here! Just start out by saying where you live and what stations you can pick up in AM stereo. Ian IAAAS Network News Melbourne, Australia Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jul 30 07:42:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jul 2002 14:42:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 69971 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2002 14:42:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2002 14:42:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14208.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2002 14:42:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20020730144225.6360.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 07:42:25 PDT Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 07:42:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Our comments found elsewhere! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hey guys and gals (Mrs. Redding), I found our 'name up in lights' at another website today: http://www.recnet.com/fcc/amdab.shtml __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From mwradio@gmx.net Tue Jul 30 08:37:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mwradio@gmx.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jul 2002 15:37:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 87910 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2002 15:37:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2002 15:37:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.dnbsi.com) (207.229.108.169) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2002 15:37:11 -0000 Received: from EspositoJM (0-1pool156-236.nas1.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net [65.128.156.236]) by smtp.dnbsi.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6C4D0CF37 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 08:37:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <013301c237de$f729bbd0$06630780@EspositoJM> To: Subject: Still no Stereo on 1210 WPHT! Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 11:37:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Joe Esposito" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=93604673 X-Yahoo-Profile: espositojm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know why WPHT is still not broadcasting in Stereo? Someone on this list did say that the engineer was on vacation and would turn it back on when he returned, but that was a few weeks ago. First it was WFAN and now WPHT..... Maybe Infinity has decided to drop AMS on all stations? Joe Esposito --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.380 / Virus Database: 213 - Release Date: 7/24/2002 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Jul 30 08:49:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jul 2002 15:49:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 64960 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2002 15:49:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2002 15:49:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster1.vcn.com) (209.193.72.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2002 15:49:11 -0000 Received: from keva (unverified [63.175.110.110]) by m1-cluster1.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:49:10 -0600 Message-ID: <004401c237e9$a06b7620$3301010a@keva> To: References: <013301c237de$f729bbd0$06630780@EspositoJM> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Still no Stereo on 1210 WPHT! Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:53:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Neal Newman was the one who said he knew the engineer at WPHT. Neal himself has been quite busy with concerts and sessions....but I'm sure if we hang tight Neal will check in and let us all know what's going on. All of us engineering types seem to be pretty busy right now. I tell ya...I thought -I- had a lot of irons in the fire. Neal is one of the busiest guys I've run across. Makes me wonder when he sleeps? (to which I'm sure he would reply "sleep? What's that?") MJR n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Esposito" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 8:37 AM Subject: {AMSF} Still no Stereo on 1210 WPHT! > Does anyone know why WPHT is still not broadcasting in Stereo? Someone on this list did say that the engineer was on vacation and would turn it back on when he returned, but that was a few weeks ago. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jul 30 13:24:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jul 2002 20:24:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 13824 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2002 20:24:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2002 20:24:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14204.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.146) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2002 20:24:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20020730202450.58645.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:24:50 PDT Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:24:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Prices for New C-Quam Exciters To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Current going rate for a brand-new Delta Electroincs AM stereo exciter July 30, 2002: Model: ASE-1 Order #: 915-0010-001 AM Stereo exciter PRICE: $5,850.00 Model: ASE-2-1 Order #:915-0020-001 AM Stereo Exciter, Standard, 120/240VAC PRICE: $3,670.00 If this was IBOC, $3700 will only buy you a 'license' fee, and the hardware is additional! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Jul 30 14:46:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jul 2002 21:46:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 37699 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2002 21:46:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2002 21:46:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2002 21:46:17 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6ULqKuP009020 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 17:52:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D47081C.CD383A5B@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 17:41:49 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Still no Stereo on 1210 WPHT! References: <013301c237de$f729bbd0$06630780@EspositoJM> <004401c237e9$a06b7620$3301010a@keva> From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Took the words right out of my mouth.......... Today was the last busiest day of mayhem all month with The Boss(Springsteen) finally hitting the Road.. I hope all of you Enjoyed the Show on the NBC Network. I was supposed to take a Trip down to WPHT last week But just could not get away..I will call my Friend down there and find out what's happening.. last we spoke He was still on Vacation On the South Jersey shore. and was to Return last monday. But if he has days like I had all week. and WPHT is an NBC affiliate. then I know the answer... 2 weekends Back My transmitter facility was vandalized. Friday we Finally got a New A.C. Compressor.. You have No Idea how HOT the building was all week. Russ.. I plan On Being Out on Long Island On Thursday... Plan on a visit from me. where will you be.. WLUX or WNYG? Want to see how busy I was. This was my Live Sound Concert Schedule For the Month of July. http://www.angelfire.com/indie/Engineer/dates.html with radio and Studio sessions between the live dates.. Neal P.S. Sleep what's that........ I finally Got some today when I got home at 3:pm my day started at 3 am. "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Neal Newman was the one who said he knew the engineer at WPHT. Neal > himself > has been quite busy with concerts and sessions....but I'm sure if we > hang > tight Neal will check in and let us all know what's going on. All of > us > engineering types seem to be pretty busy right now. I tell ya...I > thought -I- had a lot of irons in the fire. Neal is one of the > busiest guys > I've run across. Makes me wonder when he sleeps? (to which I'm sure > he > would reply "sleep? What's that?") > > MJR n WYO > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Esposito" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 8:37 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Still no Stereo on 1210 WPHT! > > > > Does anyone know why WPHT is still not broadcasting in Stereo? > Someone on > this list did say that the engineer was on vacation and would turn it > back > on when he returned, but that was a few weeks ago. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Jul 30 15:50:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jul 2002 22:50:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 11436 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2002 22:50:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2002 22:50:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2002 22:50:28 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn70.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.74]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with SMTP id ; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:50:28 -0600 To: Cc: Subject: KEVA update Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:50:26 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <3D47081C.CD383A5B@skyweb.net> Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all.... Well the new crystal from Digikey got here today, and the exciter is ready to rock and roll! Did I mention how difficult it is to test the exciter for 1240 when you have a local on 1240? :) Managed to do it, though....and it's fine. So we're ready to roll on that part of things. Have a little wiring to do on the studio end of things before I can install the exciter. Also, either tomorrow or Thursday I'll be making another day trip down to Price, UT to get the genuine Motorola Model 1310 C-quam Stereo Modulation Monitor that goes with this exciter. Some of the engineers might get a kick out of my embarassment today. I called Belar to get a crystal for our mono Belar AMM2 Modulation monitor that we have here in Evanston right now. The lady said with a smile (yes, I could hear the smile) "Sir, there isn't any crystal in an AM modulation monitor. It's frequency agile. Either you feed an RF line directly from the transmitter into it or ya feed a line from an RF Amplifier into it. No crystal :) " oops. As I told her "well I guess that would explain the reason why I studied the schematics over and over and could never find a crystal on there." *grin* now I know. Anyways...they do have an RF Amp in Price so it'll plug right into the mono Belar from here...and the Motorola is frequency switchable...so I know it'll work up here...and I get a true stereo modulation monitor. :) Lots o work to do, but the projected date for stereo I'm hoping will be probably late Sunday night or something like that. MJR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Tue Jul 30 17:17:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 31 Jul 2002 00:17:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 69557 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2002 00:17:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2002 00:17:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf07bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.167) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2002 00:17:44 -0000 Received: from juan ([67.34.28.135]) by imf07bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020731001917.WWNA11646.imf07bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 20:19:17 -0400 Message-ID: <001701c23827$b0106660$af78fea9@juan> To: References: <20020730202450.58645.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Prices for New C-Quam Exciters Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 20:17:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In WTTB's quest for AM Stereo, I have come across a few sources for exciters..used, of course..let me know if someone needs one..I will pass on the info. There are quite a few out there, that some folks are sitting on. Juan gualdaj@bellsouth.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Johnny Electron To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 4:24 PM Subject: {AMSF} Prices for New C-Quam Exciters Current going rate for a brand-new Delta Electroincs AM stereo exciter July 30, 2002: Model: ASE-1 Order #: 915-0010-001 AM Stereo exciter PRICE: $5,850.00 Model: ASE-2-1 Order #:915-0020-001 AM Stereo Exciter, Standard, 120/240VAC PRICE: $3,670.00 If this was IBOC, $3700 will only buy you a 'license' fee, and the hardware is additional! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jul 30 22:24:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 31 Jul 2002 05:24:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 24535 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2002 05:24:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2002 05:24:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14208.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2002 05:24:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20020731052455.63302.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.190] by web14208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 22:24:55 PDT Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 22:24:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: FCC comments by Robert A Meuser To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Go to the FCC Search For Comments 99-325 and read the latest by a gentleman named Robert A Meuser, who offers some interesting ideas about digital AM and full-fidelity analog, but I couldn't determine if C-Quam was still possible or not after just reading it once. What does anybody else think after giving it a read? http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdf&id_document=6513284283 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From amfmdx@fastq.com Wed Jul 31 01:13:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 31 Jul 2002 08:13:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 45712 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2002 08:13:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2002 08:13:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2002 08:13:05 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d132-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.164]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g6V8D3T22502 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 01:13:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <011d01c2386a$0c7cf5c0$c9f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <20020730144225.6360.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Our comments found elsewhere! Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 01:12:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Hey guys and gals (Mrs. Redding), Believe it or not, my wife actually sent that in. Kevin From dav259@csiro.au Wed Jul 31 02:27:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 31 Jul 2002 09:27:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 82887 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2002 09:27:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2002 09:27:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2002 09:27:01 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24114 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:27:00 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:26:59 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: Re: {AMSF} Our comments found elsewhere! In-Reply-To: <011d01c2386a$0c7cf5c0$c9f9bed8@kredding430cdt> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, Kevin - Mesa, Arizona wrote: > > Hey guys and gals (Mrs. Redding), > > Believe it or not, my wife actually sent that in. And good on her! We trust her sprained arm is well on the way to recovery. :) On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, Johnny Electron wrote: > And yes Ian, the Toledo Mud Hens baseball club are in first place > this year, they have a new downtown station "the Hen House" (aka > 5th-3rd Field) and a rightfield 'roost' for home run hitters. They > are 1/2 game ahead of the Louisville Bats. Well that is a relief - I'm a bit surprised though as every time I check out the webcam there's nobody there. I assume they do train there - once in a while. Or maybe they're down at "the Hen House" or over the road at the Radisson Hotel. http://www.toledoblade.com/static/mudhens/index.html > Games aren't in stereo AM - I'll have to work on that! If anyone can get this fixed Johnny - it's you. Ian btw - our Collingwood Magpies are currently third - our best position in ten years! http://collingwoodfc.com.au/ ... sorry about that - but just like "Digger" who rings up the Coodabeen Champions talkback line on 3AW every Saturday I have barracked (I imagine you lot would say rooted) for Collingwood for 145 years ... Hey. There's nothing wrong with local talkback radio - as long as it's in stereo! From amstereo@optushome.com.au Wed Jul 31 03:51:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@optushome.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 31 Jul 2002 10:51:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 18347 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2002 10:51:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2002 10:51:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail005.syd.optusnet.com.au) (210.49.20.136) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2002 10:51:19 -0000 Received: from durocket1200 (c17302.ipswc1.qld.optusnet.com.au [210.49.44.162]) by mail005.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id g6VApGa09541 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:51:16 +1000 Message-ID: <000f01c23880$33741490$1a02a8c0@durocket1200> To: References: <1028109171.844.98307.m12@yahoogroups.com> Subject: TX-492's Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:51:18 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "voltare - matt2" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=105920058 X-Yahoo-Profile: voltar_e chuck, matt from yaho amst group - obtained an aiwa unit last year - is there anyway of finding out what the difference is between the tx-492 jap model and the tx-492 australia model (appart from colour) the jap unit is amst and the aust unit not. is it the chip missing, or an internal switch, or what. the shops here wont let me open one (without buying it first), id like to know this because there the same unit minus the stereo bit. could you find out (could anyone find out for me) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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Version: 6.0.380 / Virus Database: 213 - Release Date: 24/07/2002 From jsgil@hal-pc.org Wed Jul 31 06:10:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 31 Jul 2002 13:10:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 51686 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2002 13:10:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2002 13:10:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2002 13:10:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2002 13:10:32 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:10:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FCC comments by Robert A Meuser Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020731052455.63302.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 818 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.154 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., Johnny Electron wrote: > Go to the FCC Search For Comments 99-325 and read the latest by a gentleman > named Robert A Meuser, who offers some interesting ideas about digital AM and > full-fidelity analog, but I couldn't determine if C-Quam was still possible or > not after just reading it once. What does anybody else think after giving it a > read? > From what I can tell he is talking about using vestigal sideband for the analog signal like TV does. C-QuAM requires a double sideband signal to carry the two channels. In this case you have a double sideband signal out to 2KHz which means that you can have stereo out to 2KHz. Anything above that frequency will have to be mono which means the hobbled C-Quam signal wouldn't be that impressive over mono. JSG From fanfare@globility.com Wed Jul 31 10:31:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 31 Jul 2002 17:31:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 40244 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2002 17:31:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2002 17:31:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2002 17:31:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2002 17:31:15 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 17:31:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FCC comments by Robert A Meuser Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020731052455.63302.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 727 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amfmguy" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.234.196 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@y..., Johnny Electron wrote: > Go to the FCC Search For Comments 99-325 and read the latest by a gentleman > named Robert A Meuser, who offers some interesting ideas about digital AM and > full-fidelity analog, > Just by chance, I saw this submission on a radio tech board. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - "Message: 6 From: "Robert Meuser" Organization: dis To: radio-tech@broadcast.net Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 22:22:30 -0400 Subject: Re: [RT] when the ratios are off Reply-To: radio-tech@broadcast.net - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Perhaps you'd like to write to him directly. M. From amfmdx@fastq.com Wed Jul 31 11:39:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 31 Jul 2002 18:39:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 42484 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2002 18:39:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2002 18:39:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2002 18:39:51 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d135-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.167]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g6VIdnT34170 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 11:39:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <004101c238c1$a021abc0$a7f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: Subject: CCrane on AM stereo Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 11:39:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Dear amfmdx: Thanks for your inquiry! My engineer, Chris Justice, is on his annual holiday. He will return next week (August 5, 2002). I will discuss your request with him upon his return. Perhaps he is already considering this technology in an upcoming product design. AM stereo is here and the upcoming digital radio broadcast signals should really expand the market. I will report his comments to you via e-mail later next week. If you have any further questions, email or call at (800) 522-8863. Cordially, Tim Jordan Customer Support Specialist This message has been composed of recycled electrons. None of these electrons has been harmed or injured in the creation and transmission of this message but they have been shamelessly exploited for this use. From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Jul 31 17:06:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Aug 2002 00:06:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 19353 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2002 00:06:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2002 00:06:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2002 00:06:27 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-176.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.176]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g71037iu006636 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:03:08 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <005001a8eb8f$68092a80$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <1028109171.844.98307.m12@yahoogroups.com> <000f01c23880$33741490$1a02a8c0@durocket1200> Subject: Re: {AMSF} TX-492's Date: Sat, 5 Jan 1980 18:12:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Chris Cuff would be the best one to answer this, but from all I've learned from him over the years, the Aussie version would probably not have the circuitry installed, but could be easily converted. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "voltare - matt2" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 4:51 AM Subject: {AMSF} TX-492's > chuck, matt from yaho amst group - obtained an aiwa unit last year - > > is there anyway of finding out what the difference is between the tx-492 jap > model and the tx-492 australia model (appart from colour) the jap unit is > amst and the aust unit not. is it the chip missing, or an internal switch, > or what. the shops here wont let me open one (without buying it first), id > like to know this because there the same unit minus the stereo bit. could > you find out (could anyone find out for me) > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.380 / Virus Database: 213 - Release Date: 24/07/2002 > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Jul 31 17:08:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Aug 2002 00:08:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 93578 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2002 00:08:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2002 00:08:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2002 00:08:28 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-176.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.176]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g71058iu007081 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:05:09 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <005e01a8eb8f$b0423da0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <004101c238c1$a021abc0$a7f9bed8@kredding430cdt> Subject: Re: {AMSF} CCrane on AM stereo Date: Sat, 5 Jan 1980 18:14:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude With all we've tried to do to educate these people, it looks like this guy is still clueless- IBOC and CQUAM are mutually exclusive. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" > AM stereo is here and the > upcoming > digital radio broadcast signals should really expand the market. > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jul 31 17:20:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Aug 2002 00:20:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 66440 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2002 00:20:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2002 00:20:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2002 00:20:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2002 00:20:30 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 00:20:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} CCrane on AM stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005e01a8eb8f$b0423da0$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1006 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.82.31 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > With all we've tried to do to educate these people, it looks like > this guy is still clueless- IBOC and CQUAM are mutually exclusive. It was probably some lackey from the LED flashlight division answering the e-mail. Considering how strongly anti-IBOC C.Crane was in their statement to the FCC, I doubt the knowledgeable people at the company would be referring to IBOC as something that "should really expand the market" [for their products]. However, when iBiquity (maker of IBOC) itself responded to C.Crane's comments, they said they were confused as to why C.Crane was complaining that IBOC would be bad for wide-bandwidth analog radios when C.Crane's own radio design has a purposefully very narrow bandwidth and would show no noticeable effect from IBOC's 4.5 kHz analog audio limitation. Anyway, the people at C.Crane Co. that we really need to talk to are Bob Crane and Chris Justice. Anybody else at the company will likely be clueless about what we are trying to accomplish. From rjskadl@yahoo.com Wed Jul 31 20:21:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Aug 2002 03:21:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 781 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2002 03:21:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2002 03:21:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2002 03:21:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2002 03:21:13 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 03:21:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Hey Neal Newman! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D47081C.CD383A5B@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1235 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl Hey there Neal. It is cool that you are coming to Long Island. Unfortunately we will not be able to see much though. Mike just went up to Albany, and he is the one with access to WNYG and WFTU. I do not have access to WLUX's shed either. If you can get out to the WLUX tower site during the day though (8am-3pm) you will see the crew constructing the tower. They are nearing the top! You may also get to meet the Consulting Engineer, Ed. Ed has done a lot of work with Greater Media stations. Unfortunately I no longer have much time to go out to the tower (or anywhere really) during the day anymore because of my new full time job. If you still want to meet it would have to be after 5pm. If you want to take a raincheck, I understand. Let me know the next time you are coming out to the Island again. This way Mike will be around, and his keys will be to. I would be able to meet up with you for a little while out by the WLUX tower between 4:45pm and 5:15pm if you would like. You could see the nice job Chris Cuff did modifying my ford radio for AMS. So if you still want to meet just reply to the board here before 4pm and I'll meet you out there in Islip. If you need directions let me know. From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Aug 01 00:35:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Aug 2002 07:35:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 30494 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2002 07:35:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2002 07:35:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2002 07:35:07 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.25]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 03:33:29 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c2392d$fac4aca0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <1028109171.844.98307.m12@yahoogroups.com> <000f01c23880$33741490$1a02a8c0@durocket1200> <005001a8eb8f$68092a80$d3a9fea9@me> Subject: Re: {AMSF} TX-492's Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 03:35:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I have gathered from the service manual that the main board is different- the ams support area, where the decoder chip and parts go, is NOT in any version except the Japan domestic version. Remember too that the FM tuner pack, which is a separate module, is different on the Japan model- tuning only to 92 Mhz. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Aug 01 06:31:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Aug 2002 13:31:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 23278 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2002 13:31:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2002 13:31:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14201.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.143) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2002 13:31:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20020801133149.15308.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 01 Aug 2002 06:31:49 PDT Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 06:31:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Way to contact CE's without getting in trouble? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Gentlemen: we all hate spam, so I definately don't want to generate any, but is there a listing somewhere of Broadcast CE emails so we could contact them to advise them on C-Quam, AMAX, and the Omega receiver? Bob - any suggestions? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Aug 01 07:53:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Aug 2002 14:53:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 39209 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2002 14:53:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2002 14:53:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14201.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.143) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2002 14:53:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20020801145313.35241.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 01 Aug 2002 07:53:13 PDT Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 07:53:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Batteries To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio We all like batteries instead of AC to power-up car radios at home, so my question is about the 'lead calcium' batteries like the ones used in UPS units, emergency lights, etc... If these haven't been charged-up for 4 years, is there any hope for them, or anything you can do to bring them back to life, even if they are new/old/stock? Seems like they'll work for 3 minutes, then go dead. Suggestions anyone? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Thu Aug 01 08:07:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Aug 2002 15:07:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 64798 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2002 15:07:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2002 15:07:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.32.181.127) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2002 15:07:12 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:07:12 -0700 Received: from 208.228.96.20 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 01 Aug 2002 15:07:12 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Batteries Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 11:07:12 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2002 15:07:12.0375 (UTC) FILETIME=[1D30C870:01C2396D] From: "Chris Cuff" X-Originating-IP: [208.228.96.20] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059 If they have gone dead, they are toast. Especially lead calcium, pure lead, and GelCells.... Believe me, I've tried... I worked at an emergency lighting company, and engineering tried everything to find the magic formula... We did find that Panasonics WOULD come back- but none of the rest would make it. CC >From: Johnny Electron > >We all like batteries instead of AC to power-up car radios at home, so my >question is about the 'lead calcium' batteries like the ones used in UPS >units, _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From jeffdeck@aol.com Thu Aug 01 15:38:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Aug 2002 22:38:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 44217 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2002 22:38:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2002 22:38:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2002 22:38:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2002 22:38:48 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 22:38:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: I-BOC Comment from Broadcaster Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 6204 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jeffdeck2001" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.189.99 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4430287 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 In a message dated 8/1/2002 5:16:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Tom Bosscher writes: >Below is a letter that I typed up on May 14, 2002. I't never been >published, but it does express a few points from my vantage point: > > >IBAC/IBOC To little, too early. > > Well, from all the press releases, this IBAC/IBOC thing >is the killer application for us broadcasters. Let's dig a little >bit and see what shows up. > > Among the claims of FM IBAC/IBOC is that it sounds >better than analog FM. 100kbps? I don't think so. Any decent analog >FM station will sound superior to this gigantic bit loss audio >transmission mode. What record company would be willing to send >it's latest single out down coded to 128kbps? Yet, this is supposed >to be better than analog FM. A simple statement: Most FM stations >sound better than IBAC/IBOC. > > Keep in mind that you will be using an MP3 type signal as >your audio signature. > > Remember just one thing with any digital compression >scheme. Once the bits are thrown away, you cannot get them back. >32kHz sampling for 16 bits times two channels is 1,024 kbps. This >is what the average FM analog radio station is on the air with >today. FM IBAC/IBOC is around 100kbps. IBAC/IBOC is throwing away >90% of the bits that we use on the air today. > > All of the demonstrations that I have seen with >IBAC/IBOC have been with a direct CD audio source. How does the new >algorithm work with existing digital compression audio sources at >most stations? ISDN, Musicam, MiniDisc, MP2 and MP3, and how will >it sound being driven by the digital satellite sources, with their >very own way of dropping bits? > > Has there been any reasonable amount of listening tests >using transcoded material? Transcoding ( that is, more than one >digital compression scheme), exists at most FM stations in the >United States. > > From my personal observation, the demonstrations of IBOC >have been coming directly from a CD, with minimal audio processing. >In the real world, the PD's will want that average audio level right >up next to the peak. The press for the highest density audio will >be present in IBOC just as strongly as it is now with analog FM. >Ask Bob Orban or Frank Foti what happens to highly processed audio >that then goes through any perceptual encoder. This automatic blend >to analog will dictate that the digital audio stream will be as >aggressively processed as the analog source. Again, how will a >digital satellite source sound after industry standard grade level >processing, then into the Ibiquity ten to one bit reduction scheme? > > Another perpetuated strength of IBOC over analog FM is >the elimination of multipath. Let me save the automotive >manufactures a lot of money. Take a look at the German built >Blaupunkt radios, which use DSP decoding at the 10.7 MHz IF. The >capture ratio hovers at 1 db, as opposed to the 8-10 db of the >average Detroit designed automotive radio. Cut the capture ratio >down to 1db, and most of the multipath goes away. If Blaupunkt >can retail these radios for $ 200, what do you think Detroit can >build them for? > > Let's step sidewise and look at the highly touted AM >IBOC. I will admit that I was oh so hoping for a solution for AM >here. But, what was it, some 30 odd years ago that the FCC stopped >licensing new AM daytime only stations? Something about not serving >the public? And now, IBOC AM is for daytime only? Should the FCC >even allow this? > > Let's look at a parallel, HDTV. The TV broadcaster gets >to decide how to utilize the bandwidth. But not the closed and to >be paid for technology of IBOC FM. The digital signal HAS TO be a >copy of the analog. We, the broadcaster cannot take the composite >150kbps and use it the way we feel. Why can't I decide to have one >50kbps and 4-25kbps slots for audio? It's not allowed under >Ibiquity. And why? Follow the logic of the touted superior digital >signal. When this superior digital signal fails, Ibiquity wants to >have the receiver fall back to the inferior coverage of the analog >FM. If the digital is so superior, why does it need to fall back to >anything? > > Let's talk money. Ibiquity plans to extract money from >the broadcaster three ways. First, they charge a six-digit figure >to the Ibiquity exciter manufactors for the rights to build the >exciters. Second, they then charge a per exciter fee. Last, they >then charge the station a direct fee. As of today, it is one fee >for life. Until Ibiquity asks the FCC for the entire RF mask, and >dropping the analog FM signal. What will the fee be for that? > >It was reported that Ibiquity has invested over $ 100 million >dollars, and there was a quote that "Ibiquity deserves the right to >get that money back." Wrong. Ibiquity deserves the right to TRY to >get that money back. Last I checked the words were "and the pursuit >of happiness". Why should the FCC guarantee any group the right to >make money? Ask Magnavox how much money they made on AM Stereo. > >IBAC/IBOC, the high school experiment gone wrong, has been on the >table for over ten years. And yet, in the last few months, Ibiquity >has changed to a new "better" compression algorithm. Why can't we >wait another decade and see what some students at MIT might come up >with during their lunch hour? > > I would like to throw out a challenge. At this years NAB >radio show in Seattle, let's have a van with an Ibiquity receiver >and a $ 200 Blaupunkt digitally demodulated receiver. Audio source >is identical, with identical preprocessing. Let the riders decide. >If Ibiquity would really like to show the superiority if their >product, they will build this van and put it on the road >immediately. Schedule major markets, including those with >multipath. Let's just see how easy it is to say no to this unneeded >"improvement". > >Here is the ultimate question. What benefit is IBAC/IBOC to any FM >station, and to the consumer? > >IBAC/IBOC "Pay more, get less". > >Tom Bosscher >Grand Rapids, Michigan From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Aug 01 19:26:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 2 Aug 2002 02:26:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 67284 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2002 02:26:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2002 02:26:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2002 02:26:33 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-92.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.92]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g722NBiu027048 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:23:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003301a8ec6c$26da9340$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020801133149.15308.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Way to contact CE's without getting in trouble? Date: Sun, 6 Jan 1980 20:32:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I don't think there is. In lieu of that I'd suggest posting on the Radio Tech forum on www.broadcast.net. I posted there about a week or two ago, with a brief comment on how IBOC was unnecessary due to new receiver technology, plus a link to the FCC comments and instructions to look for Marv's comments. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnny Electron" > Gentlemen: we all hate spam, so I definately don't want to generate any, but is > there a listing somewhere of Broadcast CE emails so we could contact them to > advise them on C-Quam, AMAX, and the Omega receiver? Bob - any suggestions? > From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Aug 01 19:29:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 2 Aug 2002 02:29:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 2192 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2002 02:29:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2002 02:29:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2002 02:29:04 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-92.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.92]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g722Pgiu027487 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:25:43 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004d01a8ec6c$80fb63e0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} I-BOC Comment from Broadcaster Date: Sun, 6 Jan 1980 20:34:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Tom's a great guy. He's been a long time IBOC skeptic. He posts a lot at the CRTech forum, and sometimes RadioTech on bnet. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: {AMSF} I-BOC Comment from Broadcaster > > In a message dated 8/1/2002 5:16:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Tom > Bosscher writes: From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Aug 02 20:55:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Aug 2002 03:54:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 34736 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2002 03:54:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2002 03:54:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2002 03:54:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2002 03:54:59 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 03:54:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Lessons learned Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 679 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.68.10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics #126.... During a severe thunderstorm, your precious radio equipment is not the *only* thing you need to disconnect... as a dead "56K" modem is now my witness. During one lightning flash, I heard a little "tick" inside it, and now when I turn it on, the front panel lights just flash randomly, like an old Altair computer. Meanwhile, my 1961 Western Electric rotary phone, also connected at the time, remains unharmed, which is to be expected from a piece of telecommunications equipment which looks and feels like it was designed to withstand a Cold War nuclear bomb blast. Kevin T. (Typing this from the built-in modem of an old laptop, brought out of retirement) From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Aug 03 09:01:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Aug 2002 16:01:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 19212 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2002 16:01:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2002 16:01:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2002 16:01:37 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-66.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.66]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g73FwCF3017476 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 10:58:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001c01a8eda7$31582620$d3a9fea9@me> To: Subject: OT-1750M Date: Tue, 8 Jan 1980 10:07:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know this is off-topic, but I know a few of the participants here do part 15 longwave. Looks like 160-190 is going to be a new ham band. www.communityradiousa.com and look for the topic. There's also a link to the FCC for reply comments. ST [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Sat Aug 03 16:33:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Aug 2002 23:33:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 79660 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2002 23:33:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2002 23:33:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2002 23:33:44 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn25.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.29]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 17:33:44 -0600 To: Subject: WooHoo!! Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 17:33:42 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Hi all Just a quick note. I know this means joy for me and some major jealousy for everyone else. After spending well over a year now of an occasional stop into a Deseret Industries thrift store just about every time I've been in Utah.....today my persistancy paid off. I am now the proud owner of a Sony SRF A-1 AM Stereo / FM Stereo Walkman!!! Cost me a whole 3 dollars!!! I wasn't sure if it even worked....it looks kinda hammered. But I put batteries in, and YES! It does!! When I walked in and saw it there on the shelf, I don't think I've ever grabbed anything SO FAST! Looks like the little "tuned" LED is broken....I mean literally split in half or something. That can be replaced, though. Or I can just live without it. The AMS functions just fine. I guess one more proof to the old addage "if at first you don't succeed.....try try again!" I still would like to have an SRF-A100 if I could find one of those too. But I do indeed feel quite lucky since the SRF-A1 is just about as rare as the SRF-A100. I've heard the electronics are exactly the same on both. I did notice, though, that the walkman doesn't have a "narrow / wide" switch. That would be cool. Anyways....check your local thrift stores....and Kevin in Mesa...KEEP ON CHECKING THE D.I.!! Michael N Wyo From rjskadl@yahoo.com Sat Aug 03 19:17:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 4 Aug 2002 02:17:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 97431 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2002 02:17:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2002 02:17:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2002 02:17:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2002 02:17:48 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 02:17:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WooHoo!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 229 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 24.186.98.159 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl I have an SRF-A1 and an SRF-42. Both are pretty nice AM radios. Apparently the Sony AM Stereo Boom Box was a really nice radio. If you see one of them be sure to grab it. I know I surely will grab it if I come across one. From amfmdx@fastq.com Sat Aug 03 20:06:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 4 Aug 2002 03:06:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 25715 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2002 03:06:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2002 03:06:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2002 03:06:28 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d12-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.44]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g7436RT34432 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 20:06:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <050a01c23b63$906c1a40$a7f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} WooHoo!! Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 20:03:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Just a quick note. I know this means joy for me and some major jealousy for > everyone else. PAYDIRT!!!! > I am now the proud owner of a Sony > SRF A-1 AM Stereo / FM Stereo Walkman!!! Cost me a whole 3 dollars!!! Mine cost $25. I bought mine about 3 years ago from a woman in Korea who posted it on Alex Kaye's website. It didn't have a battery cover but Sony had one so I bought the radio and the battery cover and life is good. The switch for changing the bands is beginning to go out. The SRF-A1 is a superlative radio. Perhaps its the best Walkman radio Sony has ever made. > When I walked in and saw it there on the > shelf, I don't think I've ever grabbed anything SO FAST! I have learned the hard way, if you are in DI and you see something, grab it because in 5 minutes, someone will be taking it home. > I still would like to have an > SRF-A100 if I could find one of those too. Me too! I am desperate for one. I haven't seen one at DI but someday I will have one and ya never know how soon it could happen. > But I do indeed feel quite lucky > since the SRF-A1 is just about as rare as the SRF-A100. I love mine. I listen to it too much though and fear like hell that its going to finally completely die. > I've heard the > electronics are exactly the same on both. I suspected this but was not sure. > Anyways....check your local thrift stores....and Kevin in Mesa...KEEP ON > CHECKING THE D.I.!! I was there today Mike. I was there looking but there was nothing interesting. I did get a nice tube radio at one of the local thrift stores last week and its hotter than a pistol. Kevin From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Aug 04 20:21:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 5 Aug 2002 03:21:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 15872 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2002 03:21:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2002 03:21:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2002 03:21:27 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-90.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.90]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g753HuF3001030 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 22:17:57 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001b01a8eecf$547ae7e0$d3a9fea9@me> To: Subject: OT- transferring computer files Date: Wed, 9 Jan 1980 21:27:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since there's a bit of a lull in the AMS activity, I'd like to ask for some computer tips from those more knowlegeable than I, in how to transfer a particular program from one computer to another. I have a program on my computer at work call WinVRC, which allows me to control all three of my stations with the computer. I can make changes in the transmitter remote control a lot faster than by punching in a lot of numbers with a touch-tone phone. Anyhoo, I'd like to be able to transfer the program from the one at work to the one at home in case there are problems that come up after hours. (Actually, having that program was the reason I was able to persuade my wife to get this computer.) I suppose I could haul my home computer to work, but that's a lot of effort. My work unit has both an external modem which I could set to auto-answer if need be, and PC Anywhere; my home unit only has an internal modem. I tried copying the program to diskette, but somehow I didn't do it right. I do have the base program disk, but since this program allows for up to 16 metering, status, and control channels, and the majority of them are used on each of the stations, it would mean a lot of work trying to duplicate it manually. Each virtual meter can have several colors depending upon the parameters being measured. The status and control channels can each have different sets of colors for the indicators and buttons, as well as the writing on them. The configured program is a whole lot larger than the unconfigured base program, and won't fit on a single diskette. Please contact me off list so we don't waste bandwidth on something that most here will never deal with. Scott Todd stodd@sherbtel.net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Aug 04 21:51:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 5 Aug 2002 04:51:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 15451 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2002 04:51:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2002 04:51:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14202.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.144) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2002 04:51:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20020805045133.26042.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.190] by web14202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 21:51:33 PDT Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 21:51:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Conversion Projects To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hi Fellow Two-Eared AM listeners: How are 'our' two Stereo AM conversion projects going? Unfortunately, my local Ma&PA AM that I lobbied for AMS was recently sold, and immediately shut-off by the new owners. Don't know what the status is now, but rumor has it that ABC bought it so they could shut-it-down and have a first adjacent station beef-up to 50KW from 5KW. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Aug 04 21:55:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 5 Aug 2002 04:55:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 59199 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2002 04:55:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2002 04:55:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14204.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.146) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2002 04:55:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20020805045523.13729.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.190] by web14204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 21:55:23 PDT Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 21:55:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: HAM Lowfers (AMS?) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Scott: you mentioned about the hams getting a big chunk of the Part 15 Lowfer band - has that already been approved, or what' the status on that? Even though I'm an amateur, I'm not in favor of taking-over anybody's current homesteaded frequencies, unlike corporate America. I don't mind a tiny tiny LF chunk for us guys, but not mass quantites of spectrum. If it's still up for discussion, I'd be happy to add my 2 cents worth on the FCC website. BTW: can an Alfredo work 'down there' for AMS sound? 73's to all. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From koji-wata@jr-central.co.jp Mon Aug 05 00:10:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: koji-wata@jr-central.co.jp X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 5 Aug 2002 07:10:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 89560 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2002 07:10:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2002 07:10:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO msv1p.jr-central.co.jp) (192.218.64.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2002 07:10:23 -0000 Received: from ins1.jr-central.co.jp ([192.168.25.10]) by msv1.jr-central.co.jp (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.0 Patch 3 (built Mar 23 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0C00L96ZXAWH@msv1.jr-central.co.jp> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 16:10:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from ri103014 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ins1.jr-central.co.jp (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g757ALk00863 for ; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 16:10:22 +0900 (JST) Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 16:07:36 +0900 Subject: Magnavox AMS decoder IC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <200208051607.FDD21359.-XBPUKLJB@jr-central.co.jp> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Winbiff [Version 2.33] Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: ja,en From: Koji WATANABE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Dear members, I recently got "Toshiba general audio semiconductor manual '95". At the end of the manual, there are "discontinued" section, and I found TA- 7406P and TA-7703P. Both IC's description are "AM stereo decoder ***Magnavox***". I've never thought there were Magnavox decoder other than National Semiconductor's LM1981. Though I found the IC numbers, I can't find their data sheet. I will ask Toshiba soon, but they are very rude for not replying to amateur's inquiry. If you have Toshiba manual written below, maybe it has its data sheet. TA-7406P This is listed in "Car manual" before '89 TA-7703P This is listed in "General audio manual" before '90 Sincerely, Koji Watanabe Shiga, JAPAN From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Aug 05 00:41:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 5 Aug 2002 07:41:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 32125 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2002 07:41:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2002 07:41:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2002 07:41:30 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.40]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 03:40:08 -0400 Message-ID: <001101c23c53$880cfd60$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <20020805045523.13729.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} HAM Lowfers (AMS?) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 03:41:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 The Alfredo lite can indeed work on LF- but you must change the coils and caps in the RF area- as sent by me, they are optimized for around 890 to 1500Khz- I did one down at the bottom end, but with all the QRM in this area, I felt it was pointless.... CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Johnny Electron From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Aug 05 06:44:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 5 Aug 2002 13:44:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 26681 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2002 13:44:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2002 13:44:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m3-cluster1.vcn.com) (209.193.72.33) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2002 13:44:11 -0000 Received: from keva (unverified [63.175.110.110]) by m3-cluster1.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:44:11 -0600 Message-ID: <000a01c23c8f$2ab21920$3301010a@keva> To: References: <20020805045133.26042.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Conversion Projects Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:48:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Well folks....here's the update from Evanston, WY. Still no stereo yet. As told last week, the exciter's frequency has been changed and it's ready to go. I'm pretty much ready to go anytime. Just waiting for word from Bob Carter in NC for a value for a resistor that I have to install inside the transmitter where the exciter hooks in. He said he'd check it and get back to me. On this end, that's about all I'm waiting for. I may go ahead and go stereo before the relays get here to make the "relay box" that will switch between the board and the computer. I'd just have to leave the board "hot" all the time....but that shouldn't be a problem. So yes.....one little resistor value :) (hint hint Bob). I gather that Bob must be out of town or really busy lately. Or maybe his internet has been down. It's been since the very beginning of this project since we've heard anything from him. (Bob. Where arrrrrrre youuuuuuu???? ) :) MJR n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnny Electron" To: Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 9:51 PM Subject: {AMSF} Conversion Projects > Hi Fellow Two-Eared AM listeners: > How are 'our' two Stereo AM conversion projects going? From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Mon Aug 05 13:20:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 5 Aug 2002 20:20:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 59428 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2002 20:20:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2002 20:20:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2002 20:20:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2002 20:20:46 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 20:20:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM STEREO IN PAPUA NEW GUINEA ? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 256 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" X-Originating-IP: 217.148.40.233 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Has there ever been any stations I wonder ? I presume they use the same wideband spec for AM as Oz ? Ian or anyone ? (I use to listen to Nau FM from Port Morseby via the net but the stream's ben down for a few years now and does'nt look like returning) From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Aug 05 16:21:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 5 Aug 2002 23:21:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 50658 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2002 23:21:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2002 23:21:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2002 23:21:29 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn68.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.72]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 17:21:29 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} WooHoo!! Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 17:21:23 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <050a01c23b63$906c1a40$a7f9bed8@kredding430cdt> Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well the SRF-A1 does indeed have problems. I've discovered that the FM kinda sorta worked. Wouldn't pop into stereo. Looks like I've found that at the very bottom on the inside on the circuit board...3 traces off of the CX20029 chip have been eaten away by something. Probably a drop of soda if I had to guess. Soda will eat away at circuit traces....beware! :) Anyways....sharpening up my soldering iron. should be fixable but VERY tedious as the little teeny weeny tiny legs coming off of that chip are SO tiny that it's hard to solder to them and not solder them to each other. I'm gonna give it a go. Any suggestions from any electronic guru's here on the list on the best way to solder to these teeny weeny little legs on this chip? MJR -----Original Message----- From: Kevin - Mesa, Arizona [mailto:amfmdx@fastq.com] Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 9:04 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WooHoo!! > Just a quick note. I know this means joy for me and some major jealousy for > everyone else. PAYDIRT!!!! > I am now the proud owner of a Sony > SRF A-1 AM Stereo / FM Stereo Walkman!!! Cost me a whole 3 dollars!!! Mine cost $25. I bought mine about 3 years ago from a woman in Korea who posted it on Alex Kaye's website. It didn't have a battery cover but Sony had one so I bought the radio and the battery cover and life is good. The switch for changing the bands is beginning to go out. The SRF-A1 is a superlative radio. Perhaps its the best Walkman radio Sony has ever made. > When I walked in and saw it there on the > shelf, I don't think I've ever grabbed anything SO FAST! I have learned the hard way, if you are in DI and you see something, grab it because in 5 minutes, someone will be taking it home. > I still would like to have an > SRF-A100 if I could find one of those too. Me too! I am desperate for one. I haven't seen one at DI but someday I will have one and ya never know how soon it could happen. > But I do indeed feel quite lucky > since the SRF-A1 is just about as rare as the SRF-A100. I love mine. I listen to it too much though and fear like hell that its going to finally completely die. > I've heard the > electronics are exactly the same on both. I suspected this but was not sure. > Anyways....check your local thrift stores....and Kevin in Mesa...KEEP ON > CHECKING THE D.I.!! I was there today Mike. I was there looking but there was nothing interesting. I did get a nice tube radio at one of the local thrift stores last week and its hotter than a pistol. Kevin Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@csiro.au Mon Aug 05 16:25:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 5 Aug 2002 23:25:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 7514 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2002 23:25:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2002 23:25:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2002 23:25:35 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mercury.minerals.csiro.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11465 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:25:33 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:25:33 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO IN PAPUA NEW GUINEA ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Mon, 5 Aug 2002, amstereofan wrote: > Has there ever been any stations I wonder ? I presume they use the > same wideband spec for AM as Oz ? Ian or anyone ? > > (I use to listen to Nau FM from Port Morseby via the net but the > stream's ben down for a few years now and does'nt look like returning) Hi Dave I must admit though PNG is right on our doorstep we don't have much to do with it. Our best friends are NZ - followed by Canada, the UK, and US. These are the stations in the capital city - plus there's plenty of shortwave services - including several from Radio Australia and others - available throughout the country. With only one AM I doubt whether they ever had AMS. Port Moresby, PNG FM RADIO 93.1 - Yumi FM - Port Moresby PG 96.5 - Nau FM - Port Moresby PG 98.5 - Radio UPNG FM98.5 - Port Moresby PG.. student 100.1 - Kalang Radio (NBC-PNG) - Gorokp PG 100.1 - Kalang Radio (NBC-PNG) - Mount Hagen PG 100.1 - Kalang Radio (NBC-PNG) - Kabul PG 100.3 - Kalang Radio (NBC-PNG) - Wewak PG 100.3 - Kalang Radio (NBC-PNG) - Tabubil PG 100.3 - Kalang Radio (NBC-PNG) - Kimbe PG 100.4 1kW Kalang Radio (NBC-PNG) - Port Moresby PG 100.5 - Kalang Radio (NBC-PNG) - Lae PG 100.5 - Kalang Radio (NBC-PNG) - Popondetta PG 100.7 - Kalang Radio (NBC-PNG) - Madang PG 107.7 - Kalang Radio (NBC-PNG) - Alotau PG AM RADIO 585 - Karai Radio (NBC-PNG) - Port Moresby PG btw - off topic - Did anyone hear the sorry story of the lady in UK who booked a trip to Sydney over the internet? She thought she'd be seeing the Opera House etc. but got a little worried when the plane set down at Toronto Airport - she was then put in a smaller plane and flown to Halifax (Hello Alex if you're lurking!) then transferred to Sydney, Nova Scotia where she's now enjoying her holiday. This has caused plenty of smiles in Oz. :) Ian From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Aug 05 19:19:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Aug 2002 02:19:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 70251 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2002 02:19:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2002 02:19:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2002 02:19:49 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-247.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.247]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g762GLF3016425 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 21:16:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004f01a8ef8f$e67f91c0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020805045523.13729.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} HAM Lowfers (AMS?) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 1980 20:25:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude It's in the reply comments phase. Don't know the docket number or anything, but most of the comments seem to be in favor of making it a ham band. I believe Darwin made an Alfredo work that low, but as Chris said, you have to change a lot of the coils and caps for harmonic suppression. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnny Electron" > Scott: you mentioned about the hams getting a big chunk of the Part 15 Lowfer > band - has that already been approved, or what' the status on that? > BTW: can an Alfredo work 'down there' for AMS sound? From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Aug 06 06:45:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Aug 2002 13:45:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 33230 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2002 13:45:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2002 13:45:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2002 13:45:29 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-210.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.210]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g76Dg1F3021629 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:42:02 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002201a8efef$b1b0e2e0$d3a9fea9@me> To: Subject: resistor value Date: Fri, 11 Jan 1980 07:51:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike, Got a suggestion for you to try. Use a resistor, noninductive, with a value that matches the output impedance (and at least 2x the wattage) of the exciter, and measure the grid current on the oscillator tube. Then use a series resistor to knock down the drive if need be. ST [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From philipr@irac.pe.ca Tue Aug 06 07:19:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Aug 2002 14:19:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 41075 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2002 14:19:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2002 14:19:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2002 14:19:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2002 14:19:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 14:19:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT Sydney v. Sydney Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2108 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Ian, this has caused a lot of smiles and chuckles in Nova Scotia too! I just came back from Sydney N.S. and there was quite a bit of chat about it. Apparently both the lady and her husband are only 19 years old. I can see how it would be easy to confuse on the net - Sydney N.S.W. versus Sydney N.S. Unfortunately, this has not been one of the better summers weather wise in the Maritimes - too much rain and rather cool nights - not like the warm dry summers of the last three years. The farmers like the rain though! As long as they have access to a rental car, there is lots to see and do around Sydney NS - Fortress Louisbourg - the Bell museum, the Marconi museum, the Cabot trail, the Sydney Boardwalk and Casino, etc. but no opera house! Also, greater Sydney NS aka the Cape Breton Regional Municipality aka Metro Cape Breton has only 120,000 or so people - with 175,000 or so people on the whole Island of Cape Breton. To bring this matter back on topic, there is no AM Stereo station on Cape Breton Island. CJCB Sydney used to be AM Stereo, but ditched it. However, if anyone on the list is planning a trip to CB, bring your AM Stereo portables as CJFX Antigonish pounds into most of CB in AM Stereo. This will be CJFX's last summer, as they will be flipping to FM exclusively in the near future, much to the delight of CFRA Ottawa, also on 580. This will leave only one AM Stereo station in Nova Scotia - CJLS Yarmouth, which sounds so muddy on narrow band mono radios and so fantastic in wideband stereo! Phil in PEI, a no AM Stereo zone, with the exception of my Alfredo Lite! > btw - off topic > > - Did anyone hear the sorry story of the lady in UK who booked a trip > to Sydney over the internet? She thought she'd be seeing the Opera House > etc. but got a little worried when the plane set down at Toronto Airport - > she was then put in a smaller plane and flown to Halifax (Hello Alex if > you're lurking!) then transferred to Sydney, Nova Scotia where she's now > enjoying her holiday. This has caused plenty of smiles in Oz. :) > > Ian From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Aug 07 06:45:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Aug 2002 13:45:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 34189 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2002 13:45:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2002 13:45:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2002 13:45:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20020807134544.58824.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 06:45:44 PDT Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 06:45:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: Resistor values To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Subject: resistor value ..."Use a resistor, noninductive, with a value that matches the output impedance (and at least 2x the wattage) of the exciter, and measure the grid current on the oscillator tube. Then use a series resistor to knock down the drive if need be."... Question: If the exciter output is 10 watts, can you get a 25 watt resistor that's non-inductive (as many resistors over 2 watts are wirewound, and not a carbon resistor? And is the output a "standard antenna" 50 ohms, or is it high impedance 47K like a line-level consumer audio output? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Wed Aug 07 08:01:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Aug 2002 15:01:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 96748 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2002 15:01:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2002 15:01:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2002 15:01:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2002 15:01:11 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 15:01:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Lohn Laws - dead signal - AM STEREO to it's MAX Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 866 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" X-Originating-IP: 217.148.40.71 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan From aus.radio.broadcast :- Yesterday, AM Stereo capable listeners of 1116 4BC were given a treat when the john laws program dropped out in brisbane at 11:10 AM (dropped out throughout australia as well), after about 10 seconds of DEAD air, 4BC commenced playing a CD track 'St ELMO's Fire, instrumental track from a movie, I tell you what, I have never heard radio sound so full, immersing, and very unprocessed, so true to the origional,the audio fidelity kicked arse. I could pick out EVERY instrument, seperation was perfect, FM sounds so dull compared to this. and people say FM is superior. processed right, the pair can sound very similar, DIGITAL Radio has a lot of competition when it comes to quality sound. I now have the track in MP3 128KBIT, and i swear that i can not tell the difference, my hearing range is ~32 up to ~18'000 AM RULEZ. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Aug 07 10:43:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Aug 2002 17:43:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 72907 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2002 17:43:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2002 17:43:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2002 17:43:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2002 17:43:17 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 17:43:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Lohn Laws - dead signal - AM STEREO to it's MAX Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1195 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > after about 10 seconds of DEAD air, 4BC commenced playing a CD > track 'St ELMO's Fire, instrumental track from a movie, > I tell you what, I have never heard radio sound so full, immersing, > and very unprocessed What likely happened is that 4BC has it set up that after 10 seconds of dead air coming from the studio, a backup audio source (CD changer, auto-reverse cassette, etc.) at the transmitter site automatically kicks in. In addition, if their audio processor is located in the studio, that means whatever audio that comes directly from the transmitter site will not receive this processing, so it will have a lot of dynamic range and will generally sound fantastic! I have heard this from one local FM station when a strong thunderstorm knocked out their studio-to-transmitter link. After a few HOURS of dead air (transmitter on, but no audio), somebody finally got some music playing from the transmitter site, and without the processing, it was very "quiet", but it sounded GREAT! Then, just as I was starting to really enjoy it, they got the STL working again and the right in the middle of a song, the loud, highly processed audio from the studio came on again. Oh well! From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Aug 07 16:15:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Aug 2002 23:15:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 31450 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2002 23:14:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2002 23:14:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2002 23:14:46 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn73.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.77]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:14:46 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} resistor value Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:14:42 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002201a8efef$b1b0e2e0$d3a9fea9@me> From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott I think I'll wait for a response from Bob. Not sure what the wattage of the exciter is and not sure about measuring grid current on the oscillator tube. I'm not even sure what the oscillator tube is :) The transmitter has 4 main tubes.....don't think there are any others inside of it. There are (4) 4-400c tubes...2 for the RF sockets, and 2 for the modulator sockets. Like I always said.....I'm a quasi-engineer....not a REAL one. I can handle some things...but this one sounds a bit over my head. Sounds like Bob already did all of this and it'll be easier for him to just tell me what the value needs to be. Still waiting to hear from him. Right now it is looking like during the day Sunday for the AMS conversion on the transmitter. Wife will be out of town and kid will be with the grandparents. So a good opportunity for me. Remember this is all on MY time....I'm not getting paid for it. Just doing it for the fun of it and because it's a "labor of love" for me. If I'm not getting paid, I have a hard time making an excuse to be up at the station late at night :) Got to listen to my other baby first-hand today as I made a trip to Kemmerer to do some computer stuff at our company headquarters (which isn't KMER). KMER still sounding good! I wish I would have been employed by that company long enough to get up there and do a few more things.....like fix the Orban. That "sh sh sh sh sh" sound is still there and it's somewhat annoying. And it seems there is starting to be a little distortion in the right channel. Don't know what causes that. Maybe one of the tubes is starting to go flat in the transmitter? Darwin sent me aircheck CD's of KOFI-Kalispell, MT.....and they too have distortion in the right channel. Theirs is worse than KMER's. Oh well....not employed for KMER's parent company anymore, so I don't know that I'll be the one to fix it. I sure HOPE they come to me about it. The distortion isn't there in mono. This is a prime candidate for one of those cases where they get another engineer to come in.....one who does not know or care about AM Stereo......and he'll just switch the exciter to mono and turn off the pilot and say "okay. It's fixed." I sure hope not. I put a lot of time into that project and they sound SO good in stereo! Can't wait until KEVA sounds that good! MJR n WYO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Aug 07 18:12:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Aug 2002 01:12:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 26264 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2002 01:12:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2002 01:12:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2002 01:12:18 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id r.ae.2b37628a (3972) for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 21:12:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 21:12:15 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} resistor value To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 8/7/02 7:16:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, michaelj@vcn.com writes: << I think I'll wait for a response from Bob. Not sure what the wattage of the exciter is and not sure about measuring grid current on the oscillator tube. I'm not even sure what the oscillator tube is :) The transmitter has 4 main tubes.....don't think there are any others inside of it. There are (4) 4-400c tubes...2 for the RF sockets, and 2 for the modulator sockets. Like I always said.....I'm a quasi-engineer....not a REAL one. I can handle some things...but this one sounds a bit over my head. Sounds like Bob already did all of this and it'll be easier for him to just tell me what the value needs to be. Still waiting to hear from him. Right now it is looking like during the day Sunday for the AMS conversion on the transmitter. Wife will be out of town and kid will be with the grandparents. So a good opportunity for me. Remember this is all on MY time..... >> Ok....sorry for the long delay....Its been real hectic around here..getting some stuff in tip top order and having been called to the other stations for some projects. Anyhow,the resistor value is 70 ohms and the resistor looks to be on the order of one watt. The if you put in a higher wattage resistor..it wont hurt anything....it can only help as most of these exciters put out somewheres along the line of 37 volts peak to peak of RF. Michael if you run into any real stumpers..I should be around the station here Sunday afternoon {noonish till 6ish...number is at the bottom of the email here} or buzz me on the cell if you cant get me here before or after those times. 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The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Aug 07 19:42:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Aug 2002 02:42:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 3658 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2002 02:42:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2002 02:42:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2002 02:42:03 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-248.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.248]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g782cWF3000791 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 21:38:34 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001001a8f125$5ab03720$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020807134544.58824.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} RE: Resistor values Date: Sat, 12 Jan 1980 20:48:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Yes, they are made; not sure of a good source, but they're often used as dummy loads. Maybe an engineer on bnet would know. The output wattage and impedance should be listed in the manual. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnny Electron" > Question: If the exciter output is 10 watts, can you get a 25 watt resistor > that's non-inductive (as many resistors over 2 watts are wirewound, and not a > carbon resistor? And is the output a "standard antenna" 50 ohms, or is it high > impedance 47K like a line-level consumer audio output? From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Aug 07 21:17:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Aug 2002 04:17:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 62016 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2002 04:17:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2002 04:17:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14204.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.146) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2002 04:17:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20020808041752.91118.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.190] by web14204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 21:17:52 PDT Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 21:17:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Very Interesting - A ClearChannel person that has IBOC reservations. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Here's a neat article to read...looks like there is actually one person at Clear Channel that COULD actually help our AMS cause. This CCC VP has been a station engineer, is a ham, and cares about AM. It may be worth us nicely asking him to turn the AM stereo back on, as it costs they next to nothing at most stations that still have the working equipment. I believe that they should have ALL of their musical AM stations broadcast in stereo. Maybe I'll suggest that to them. And Kevin, hold the phone, let's give this guy a chance to help us before we condemn him. The article below should shed some light, and it sounds like he ISN'T convinced about IBOC or satellite radio. http://www.rwonline.com/reference-room/iboc/01_rw_suffa_q_a_2.shtml __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From amfmdx@fastq.com Wed Aug 07 22:08:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Aug 2002 05:08:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 44420 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2002 05:08:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2002 05:08:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2002 05:08:52 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d111-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.143]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g7858qT33885 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 22:08:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <00fe01c23e99$a7800aa0$44f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <20020808041752.91118.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Very Interesting - A ClearChannel person that has IBOC reservations. Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 22:08:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > And Kevin, hold the phone, let's give this guy a chance > to help us before we condemn him. Condemn him.... I am going to write him and beg him to turn the pilots on. Kevin From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Aug 07 22:09:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Aug 2002 05:09:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 61930 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2002 05:09:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2002 05:09:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2002 05:09:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2002 05:09:35 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 05:09:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: LED traffic light AM radio interference Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5183 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I recently wrote and faxed this letter to the FCC, but so far have not gotten a specific reply. If anybody else is experiencing the problem I describe, as I am sure there is, please do the same, especially if you work for an AM radio station, whose listeners will surely be affected by this. ===================================================================== From: Kevin Tekel, kevtronics@yahoo.com To: The Federal Communications Commission, email: fccinfo@fcc.gov CC: FCC fax number, 202-418-0232 To whom it may concern, I am writing this complaint about the interference to AM radio reception that is being caused by traffic lights that use the new LED (Light Emitting Diode) design. In the past few years, in my area of New Jersey, the vast majority of newly installed or upgraded traffic lights use the LED design, supposedly because it is more energy-efficient and lasts longer than conventional incandescent bulb designs. The problem is that these LED traffic lights generate interference to AM radio reception. It happens when driving underneath these traffic lights; AM radio reception, of all but the strongest stations, is momentarily interrupted with a burst of noise and static. Since there are usually two traffic signal stalks, one at each side of the intersection, two bursts of noise are heard in succession while driving through an intersection that is equipped with LED traffic lights. I can tell this AM radio interference is coming from the LED traffic signal because some of these signals in my area use LED lights for the green and amber signals and a conventional incandescent bulb for the red signal. In this case, if I am stopped at the red light directly underneath one of the signal stalks, there is no interference to be heard. But the instant the light turns green (and activates the green LED signal), the AM interference appears quite strongly as a hissing and buzzing noise, which interferes with even relatively strong, local AM stations, across the dial (about equally from 530 to 1700 kHz). I have heard from electrical engineers that this is caused by the type of switching power supply used by these LED signals. From what I have heard, if this is properly designed and the traffic signal is properly grounded, there will be no or little interference to AM radio, and indeed I have encountered some LED traffic signals that do not seem to cause any noticeable AM radio interference. However, at least in my area of New Jersey, the vast majority of LED-type traffic lights -- including brand new ones that have been installed within the past month or two -- cause this type of AM radio interference. With regards to the FCC, I suppose the issue may be whether or not this interference is compliant with Part 15 rules, and as the interference is generally contained within a short range directly underneath the LED traffic signal, it may well be (as the Part 15 rules are not very restrictive, especially since notorous AM interference generators like dimmer switches are allowed by it). However, I think the FCC also needs to consider how this is affecting AM radio reception even if it is technically acceptable by the rules. As these LED traffic lights become more common across the country, their detrimental effect on AM radio (at least when not properly designed and installed) will become more obvious, and especially in city environments with many traffic lights, the interference may occur often and strongly enough that it will cause large annoyance to the many people who listen to AM radio in their cars. And unlike the issue of household devices light dimmer lamps, this is not something that a person can avoid at his or her discretion; we are subjected to the radio interference whenever we drive past one, with no personal ability to stop or prevent it. And, as similar to the situation of electrical power lines that cause AM (and even FM) radio interference, as long as these LED traffic lights appear to be working properly, the local authorities which maintain this equipment will have no real motive to do anything about it. In my personal efforts regarding this problem, I have contacted several manufacturers of LED traffic lights, including those at the following web sites, but so far I have received no response from any of them: http://www.leotek.com/trafficsafety/ http://www.dialight.com/ http://www.eoi.com.tw/ http://www.actone1.com/welcome-traffic.html I would appreciate it greatly if the FCC could look into this matter. AM radio is a vital radio medium and it needs to retain its ability to serve listeners with a reasonable amount of quality and freedom from unnecessary interference. This is especially important in an automotive environment, as AM radio continues to be popular for listening while driving as a source of local news, traffic, and weather reports. Thus, I do not believe that AM radio should be laden with any sources of interference that can seriously affect is ability to be received clearly. Thank you for your time and consideration. Kevin Tekel {{mailing address}} kevtronics@yahoo.com From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Aug 08 07:16:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Aug 2002 14:16:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 76222 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2002 14:16:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2002 14:16:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster1.vcn.com) (209.193.72.32) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2002 14:16:26 -0000 Received: from keva (unverified [63.175.110.110]) by m2-cluster1.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:16:26 -0600 Message-ID: <003f01c23eef$2c062020$3301010a@keva> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} resistor value Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:20:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Thanks Bob!! I should be starting this little project sometime around noon on Sunday. Actually it does make me feel better knowing that you'll be around. I'll give ya a jingle if I need anything. Michael From groucho@skyweb.net Thu Aug 08 09:33:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Aug 2002 16:33:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 87161 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2002 16:33:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2002 16:33:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2002 16:33:31 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g78GdiQ6045432 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D529C89.BCE62426@skyweb.net> Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 12:30:01 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT(WLUX New Tower) was=Re: Fwd: car radios References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Hey Russ Its 12:37 Thursday Aug. 8th..... Im on my way out to the Island.. I could not find your Or Mikes phone # My Cell # is 732-740-8811 Im going to try to stop at WLUX and WNYG today.... dropping the family Off at In-laws in deer park for a few hours... I have to goto patchauge But will be on the island today Neal From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Aug 08 10:45:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Aug 2002 17:45:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 78657 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2002 17:45:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2002 17:45:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2002 17:45:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2002 17:45:12 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 17:45:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT(WLUX New Tower) was=Re: Fwd: car radios Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D529C89.BCE62426@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1768 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Im going to try to stop at WLUX and WNYG today.... Hey Neal... yesterday I was driving through back roads in Mercer County, near Pennington, and out of nowhere I passed by the WTTM/WHWH transmitter site! I was surprised by how "small" it is -- the towers were rather thin and were spaced pretty close to the road and the edges of the property. It's quite different from the 1040 WJHR site up near Flemington which has a lot of open space around the towers -- I guess because they had plans to upgrade to 10,000 watts daytime (versus the current 4700 watts) which probably would have needed the addition of another tower or two. Also, last week I was in Bridgeport, CT and got a great view of the 600 WICC transmitter site... it is on an island all by itself in the Long Island Sound, and you see two huge self-supporting towers with a lot of distance between them. It looks just like a 1920s/30s style AM transmitter site except that there is no horizontal wire hanging between the towers (like what 710 WOR had). And on the way back to NJ, I passed by the Armstrong tower in Alpine, NJ... it is an amazing sight, especially since the basic structure hasn't changed since Armstrong built it in 1937... he knew it was in an ideal location, so he made it many times larger than it needed to be, so today it is home to dozens of communications services and still has room to spare. Here is some info on it: http://www.lnl.com/alpine.htm Armstrong actually only built it because NBC kicked him off the Empire State Building, claiming they needed extra room for their experimental TV transmitting equipment. The ESB has been home to TV transmitters since just 8 months after it was built in 1931 -- even before any radio stations started regularly using it! From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Aug 08 13:24:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Aug 2002 20:24:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 13613 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2002 20:24:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2002 20:24:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14208.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2002 20:24:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20020808202411.80547.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 13:24:11 PDT Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:24:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: What the heck is Dettagli tecnici?? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio What's this?: http://www.radiostudiox.it/stpage-1.html They have a photo of an AMS exciter, so where is this station, is it on medium wave, or what? Is this a pirate? http://www.radiostudiox.it/stpage-1.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From phil@transmittersrus.com Thu Aug 08 14:03:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Aug 2002 21:03:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 6495 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2002 21:03:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2002 21:03:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.211) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2002 21:03:44 -0000 Received: from thebbc.fslife.co.uk ([62.137.158.192] helo=fslife.co.uk) by cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17cuRc-0006Cx-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 22:03:44 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 22:02:39 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1050 WLYC update MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-U () From: Philip de Cadenet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public OK guys, I just arrived back home here in London, UK from a trip to the station in Williamsport, PA.. I was also very fortunate to visit with Randy Mathena the owner of WPCI AMS on 1490 in Greenville, SC and to see his real nice looking studio and TX site. I'd prefer to call it a museum full of rich radio memorabilia. The new Harris Gates 1Kw rig with matching stereo generator and 9100B Optimod was not bad looking either:-) Randy very kindly donated his old Harris stereo generator to me for my station WLYC in Williamsport, PA. I then drove up to Pennsylvania hoping to put 1050 on the stereo map. However there was so much work to do including replacing the night-time LPB TX for a new UK made solid state 50w PWM transmitter that the stereo generator is just mounted in the rack alongside the 2.5Kw CSI. Anyhow, driving up Interstate 77 then 81 I was able to detect LYC from around 65 miles away. Not bad for a 1Kw daytime signal. That's what you get from a regional clear channel together with a reasonable ground system. In fact we were right in there with the local 1200 10Kw Clear Channel station as far as reception was concerned. I intend to fly back into town in a couple of months time to hook that stereo generator up. However, my processor is just a simple Innovonics 222 so I can only give people a pilot light until a stereo processor is found. I also collected a nice Becker car radio with AMS but here in the UK it will only allow me to hear one French AM station as we do not allow use of stereo on AM. Wish me luck. -- Philip de Cadenet 1050 WLYC Williamsport PA From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Aug 08 15:21:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Aug 2002 22:21:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 58870 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2002 22:21:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2002 22:21:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2002 22:21:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2002 22:21:33 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 22:21:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What the heck is Dettagli tecnici?? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020808202411.80547.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 923 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.30 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > They have a photo of an AMS exciter, so where is this station, is > it on medium wave, or what? Is this a pirate? This is "Radio Studio X" on 1584 kHz in Momigno, Italy. I think it was about two years ago when they first contacted me to let me know that they're broadcasting in C-Quam Stereo, using a genuine Motorola exciter. Italy does not closely regulate their smaller AM stations (I believe RSX is "only" 1000 watts) so they can use AM Stereo even though its use has not been approved for the larger government- regulated stations. There is a recording of Radio Studio X here in the AM Stereo Forum's file library. It was made on a Sony SRF-42 and has very, very clean sound. RSX must be using very light audio processing with at least 12 kHz of audio bandwidth. Needless to say, for local listeners with AM Stereo (or at least high-fidelity mono) radios, it is surely a real treat to listen to! From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Aug 08 19:14:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Aug 2002 02:14:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 89167 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2002 02:14:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2002 02:14:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2002 02:14:22 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-70.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.70]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g792AgLA006618 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:10:52 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001101a8f1ea$a9184720$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020808041752.91118.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Very Interesting - A ClearChannel person that has IBOC reservations. Date: Sun, 13 Jan 1980 20:20:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Those stations would be the exception rather than the rule. I'd say a goodly percentage of them they mono-ized were older installations that they modernized with non-stereo equipment. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnny Electron" . It may be worth us nicely > asking him to turn the AM stereo back on, as it costs they next to nothing at > most stations that still have the working equipment. From amfmdx@fastq.com Thu Aug 08 19:51:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Aug 2002 02:51:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 33803 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2002 02:51:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2002 02:51:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2002 02:51:30 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d80-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.112]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g792pTT63719 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:51:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <01b501c23f4f$849c5780$44f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <20020808202411.80547.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} What the heck is Dettagli tecnici?? Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:50:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Technical Details.... > What's this?: > http://www.radiostudiox.it/stpage-1.html An AM stereo station in Italy that used to be on the NRC version of the AM stereo list. Kevin From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Aug 08 19:53:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Aug 2002 02:53:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 64180 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2002 02:53:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2002 02:53:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2002 02:53:44 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-70.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.70]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g792oCLA013670 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:50:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00ff01a8f1f0$2922a6e0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1050 WLYC update Date: Sun, 13 Jan 1980 20:59:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Thanks for the excellent news. That was very nice of them. As far as AMS processing, try putting out a message on the Radio Tech forum at bnet. I think I've seen you post there before. Hopefully someone will have something they'll let you have on the cheap. If not, the Omnia AM-3 is inexpensive. It doesn't do matrix processing, which is what AMS needs ideally, but the Crawford stations have been using them with good results, and they're not too expensive. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip de Cadenet" To: > Randy very kindly donated his old Harris stereo generator to me for my > station WLYC in Williamsport, PA. I then drove up to Pennsylvania hoping > to put 1050 on the stereo map. From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Aug 08 19:56:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Aug 2002 02:56:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 97539 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2002 02:56:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2002 02:56:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2002 02:56:29 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-70.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.70]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g792qvLA014164 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:52:59 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <011301a8f1f0$8b7a20c0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} LED traffic light AM radio interference Date: Sun, 13 Jan 1980 21:02:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Might not be a bad idea for some of the rest of us to do the same, even if it's a me-too (3XY, right Ian?) kind of letter. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevtronics" > I recently wrote and faxed this letter to the FCC, but so far have > not gotten a specific reply. From matthew.trim@eds.com Thu Aug 08 20:42:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Aug 2002 03:42:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 71631 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2002 03:42:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2002 03:42:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns5.eds.com) (203.17.185.230) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2002 03:42:17 -0000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com (nnsy-3.eds.com [192.168.1.1]) by ns5.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g793gG825660 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:42:16 +1000 (EST) Received: from nnsy.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g793gEg25745 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:42:14 +1000 (EST) Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g793gEX25741 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:42:14 +1000 (EST) Received: by AUSYM000 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:41:49 +1000 Message-ID: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542809CAF264@AUSYM200> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} LED traffic light AM radio interference Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:42:04 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 I've noticed some in use in Queen Street in Brisbane City. I'll take my radio down and see what the interference is like. -----Original Message----- From: Scott Todd [mailto:stodd@sherbtel.net] Sent: Monday, 14 January 1980 1:03 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} LED traffic light AM radio interference Might not be a bad idea for some of the rest of us to do the same, even if it's a me-too (3XY, right Ian?) kind of letter. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevtronics" > I recently wrote and faxed this letter to the FCC, but so far have > not gotten a specific reply. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From phil@transmittersrus.com Fri Aug 09 03:24:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Aug 2002 10:24:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 24025 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2002 10:24:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2002 10:24:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imailg3.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.195.181) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2002 10:24:06 -0000 Received: from thebbc.fslife.co.uk ([62.137.158.192] helo=fslife.co.uk) by imailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17d6w9-0000cA-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 09 Aug 2002 11:24:06 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:22:27 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Processing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-U () From: Philip de Cadenet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Scott said: As far as AMS processing, try putting out a message on the Radio Tech forum at bnet. I think I've seen you post there before. Hopefully someone will have something they'll let you have on the cheap. If not, the Omnia AM-3 is inexpensive. It doesn't do matrix processing, which is what AMS needs ideally, but the Crawford stations have been using them with good results, and they're not too expensive. Now you're educating me. Which, if any processors offer matrix processing? Maybe the $8K 9100 Optimod! Something we cannot afford. Is there any work published on the web regarding this form of processing that you can recommend? I'll do some searching. I will post a request for a suitable processor to at least allow a stereo feed on the reflectors to see what turns up. Many thanks. -- Philip de Cadenet 1050 WLYC Williamsport PA From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Aug 09 06:32:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Aug 2002 13:32:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 81634 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2002 13:32:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2002 13:32:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11704.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2002 13:32:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20020809133213.9273.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.36.49] by web11704.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 09 Aug 2002 06:32:13 PDT Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 06:32:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1050 WLYC update To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio What is WLYC's format and what will it be when it is taken over? 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HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Fri Aug 09 11:02:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Aug 2002 18:02:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 47533 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2002 18:02:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2002 18:02:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2002 18:02:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2002 18:02:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 18:02:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: LED traffic light AM radio interference Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 106 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 141.157.201.20 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio Kevin, I posted on my Traffic Signal Collectors site. Maybe they can shed some light. =Mike Erickson= From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Fri Aug 09 11:04:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Aug 2002 18:04:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 90076 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2002 18:04:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2002 18:04:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2002 18:04:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2002 18:04:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 18:04:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Processing Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1155 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 141.157.201.20 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio The only processors I know that offer TRUE Matrix processing for AM are the CRL Amigo AM www.crlsystems.com and the Optimod 9100. www.orban.com =Mike Erickson= --- In amstereoforum@y..., Philip de Cadenet wrote: > Scott said: > > As far as AMS > processing, try putting out a message on the Radio Tech forum at bnet. > I > think I've seen you post there before. Hopefully someone will have > something they'll let you have on the cheap. If not, the Omnia AM- 3 is > inexpensive. It doesn't do matrix processing, which is what AMS needs > ideally, but the Crawford stations have been using them with good > results, > and they're not too expensive. > > Now you're educating me. > > Which, if any processors offer matrix processing? Maybe the $8K 9100 > Optimod! Something we cannot afford. > > Is there any work published on the web regarding this form of processing > that you can recommend? I'll do some searching. > > I will post a request for a suitable processor to at least allow a > stereo feed on the reflectors to see what turns up. > > Many thanks. > -- > Philip de Cadenet > 1050 WLYC > Williamsport > PA From philipr@irac.pe.ca Fri Aug 09 11:42:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Aug 2002 18:42:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 66118 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2002 18:42:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2002 18:42:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2002 18:42:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2002 18:42:54 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 18:42:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Proof that AM Stereo still is attractive for equipment manufacturers Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 959 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking I just spent some time checking out the CRL and Orban websites. The fact that a special AM Stereo processor is offered by each of these sister companies suggests to me that they realize that there is 'gold in them there stereo kilohertz'! Orban makes a claim that it can make ordinary auto, table and portable radios sound close to FM. How much truth is there to this claim, based on 'ordinary' radios being relatively narrow bandwidth rigs? We all know how good wideband AM sounds - but how good is the Orban AM Stereo processor at extracting good sound from a narrow band receiver? I'm sure multiband limiting etc. etc. helps to some extent. I remember when a certain station in Nova Scotia back in 1978 or 1979 aquired an Orban Optimod - quite an impact, especially when its competitor was still using an old Gates Levil Devil at the studio, with a generic single band peak limiter at the studio and a 10kc landline in the middle! Phil From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Fri Aug 09 14:14:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Aug 2002 21:14:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 28601 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2002 21:14:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2002 21:14:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2002 21:14:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2002 21:14:09 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 21:14:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Proof that AM Stereo still is attractive for equipment manufacturers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1798 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio Orban claims the audio is "FM like" in the fact that they can achieve high modulation and density in the AM bandwith without the artifacts of heavy compression and limiting associated with older designs (some of the CRL gear, when pushed, could get busy sounding. Older boxes like Audimax and Volumax had IM and were wideband. You needed the pump and suck in order to get the mod monitor to swing high and to be "loud"). Some like this FM sound. I think many stations sound "generic" and don't have a signature. It's one thing to be compressed to the eyeballs, but another to be nicely processed with a little "punch". The Optimod, IMHO, does not give you that "punch" when used alone. It is loud, but kinda flat. --- In amstereoforum@y..., "tubesareking" wrote: > I just spent some time checking out the CRL and Orban websites. The > fact that a special AM Stereo processor is offered by each of these > sister companies suggests to me that they realize that there > is 'gold in them there stereo kilohertz'! > > Orban makes a claim that it can make ordinary auto, table and > portable radios sound close to FM. How much truth is there to this > claim, based on 'ordinary' radios being relatively narrow bandwidth > rigs? We all know how good wideband AM sounds - but how good is the > Orban AM Stereo processor at extracting good sound from a narrow > band receiver? I'm sure multiband limiting etc. etc. helps to some > extent. > > I remember when a certain station in Nova Scotia back in 1978 or > 1979 aquired an Orban Optimod - quite an impact, especially when its > competitor was still using an old Gates Levil Devil at the studio, > with a generic single band peak limiter at the studio and a 10kc > landline in the middle! > > Phil From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Aug 09 17:18:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Aug 2002 00:18:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 19041 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2002 00:18:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2002 00:18:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2002 00:18:11 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn25.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.29]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 18:18:10 -0600 To: Subject: KEVA AMS Update/help Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 18:18:07 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Hello gentlemen I just came from the local Radio Shaft and found that I can't EVEN find anything close to a 70 ohm 1 watt resistor. I should have guessed that sooner and ordered it from a supply house somewhere or something. This is the resistor that will go between ground and the center pin of the exciter output. This will keep the RF stages from oscillating, and also provide some attenuation so that the transmitter's internal exciter is not overdriven. Bob or Scott can probably field this one better than I. Anyways....I really want to do this Sunday. I do NOT have a 70 ohm 1 watt resistor. I DO, however, have (2) 30 ohm 2 watt resistors. Put them in series, I get 60 ohms. Is 10 ohms going to make that much of a difference? Will this work? I think I will probably try it, and if it does not work, then I'll get the proper 70 ohm resistor. This looks to be a case where it wouldn't have to be EXACTLY that. But I could be wrong. Thoughts? Other than that, thanks to Johnny Electron, my audio into and out of the studio and the board is all stereo now. Need to pull a wire for the air monitor from the xmitter room to the studio so I have stereo audio coming in to monitor. The processing is all mounted and has been running in mono all this time...just need to connect the stero wires and then modify the transmitter for the exciter. I know I know...y'all probably REALLY weren't interested in a "play by play" account of all the events. You can bet on Sunday afternoon once it's up and going that I'll send a "woohoo!!!!" message! I really am interested on comments on the resistor values there and if you think it will work. Thanks MJR (quasi-engineer) n WYO From KC4QLP@aol.com Fri Aug 09 19:41:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Aug 2002 02:41:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 29563 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2002 02:41:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2002 02:41:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2002 02:41:08 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id r.85.1f8ff4a7 (25306) for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 22:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <85.1f8ff4a7.2a85d73d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 22:41:01 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} KEVA AMS Update/help To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 8/9/02 8:18:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, michaelj@vcn.com writes: << I DO, however, have (2) 30 ohm 2 watt resistors. Put them in series, I get 60 ohms. Is 10 ohms going to make that much of a difference? Will this work? I think I will probably try it, and if it does not work, then I'll get the proper 70 ohm resistor. This looks to be a case where it wouldn't have to be EXACTLY that. But I could be wrong. >> You should be ok with 60 ohms.Just be sure that nothing is being overdriven and that nothing on the exciter..except for Q-5 and 6 get to warm.{those normally run warm to the touch under normal operation} Those small signal transistors,..in this case it would be Q-4 should not run hot.If it starts running warmer than it did before..it will be a sign of too much RF coming from the stereo exciter....then in that case you would need the extra attenuation. In a situation like this it would be nice to have a scope to make sure that you have no distortion.{distortion could lead to spurious emissions and an overall trashy signal that grabs Mr FCC's attention} Just take your time and watch what you do.....because if any of the transistors decide to no longer work....the stereo exciter will not provide enough RF drive to get you back on the air without some amplification. 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The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Aug 09 21:24:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Aug 2002 04:24:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 57341 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2002 04:24:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2002 04:24:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2002 04:24:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2002 04:24:25 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 04:24:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: off-topic: HDTV Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1502 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.95.24 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Has anybody here actually *seen* HDTV -- as in a local over-the-air TV station being received in HDTV mode on a widescreen TV set? Whenever I go into the electronics stores in my area, they have plenty of wide-screen TV sets on display, but they're all either showing a regular analog TV/cable signal in stretched-out "fake widescreen" mode, or a DVD movie in true widescreen mode -- but never an actual HDTV broadcast, even though these stores are well within the limited coverage area of the New York City-based HDTV signals. Hmm... if *everybody* was using this horizontally-expanded "fake" widescreen mode on their TV sets, HDTV wouldn't even be necessary to get a *true* widescreen effect from broadcast TV -- all you'd have to do is broadcast the video in a horizontally-*compressed* aspect ratio. Thus, on normal TV sets, it would look "skinny", but on a widescreen TV operating in "stretched-out" mode, it would expand into a properly proportioned true widescreen image! I suppose this ranks up there with my idea of playing music at half-speed on AM radio stations, so that when the audio is received and played back at normal speed, you'd get twice the frequency response, and a better S/N ratio too! This would compromise the low bass response, since the typical lower response limit of 30 Hz on the transmitter would become 60 Hz in double-speed-playback mode, but you'd still get true 60 - 20,000 Hz audio response while remaining within the NRSC bandwidth limit! From e92fmjam@net-change.com Fri Aug 09 22:03:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: e92fmjam@net-change.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Aug 2002 05:03:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 53639 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2002 05:03:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2002 05:03:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail2.net-change.net) (208.6.37.99) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2002 05:03:12 -0000 Received: from ernest (ppp50.net-change.net [208.6.37.50]) by mail2.net-change.net (Switch-2.2.2/Switch-2.2.0/Net-Change) with SMTP id g7A4tWt11138 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 00:55:32 -0400 Message-ID: <00d801c2402b$181b2a00$322506d0@ernest> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} off-topic: HDTV Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 01:02:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-RAVMilter-Version: 8.3.3(snapshot 20020312) (mail2.net-change.net) From: "Ernest" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=75898512 X-Yahoo-Profile: e92fmjamz > Has anybody here actually *seen* HDTV -- as in a local over-the-air > TV station being received in HDTV mode on a widescreen TV set? sure have, WRAL had their new HDTV technology on display at the NC state fair some years ago, the picture is sharp, clean, clear, has a more realistic look to it. audio quality is great also compared to that of the current analog TV sets. > Whenever I go into the electronics stores in my area, they have > plenty of wide-screen TV sets on display, but they're all either > showing a regular analog TV/cable signal in stretched-out "fake > widescreen" mode, or a DVD movie in true widescreen mode -- but never > an actual HDTV broadcast, even though these stores are well within > the limited coverage area of the New York City-based HDTV signals. > last time I went into sears (at a local mall) they were demonstrating HDTV but no over the air signals were used. its a shame because the TX sites for *ALL* the local HDTV stations are less than 5 miles from the mall! Ernest Gates NC ---------------- Contact me: AIM: e92fmjamz2000 ICQ: 33155469 Yahoo: e92fmjamz WRCS 970 AM Ahoskie NC http://wrcs.cjb.net - announcer WQDK 99.3 FM Ahoskie NC- DJ --------------------------------- affiliated with WCXL 104.1 FM Kill Devil Hills NC WGAI 560 AM Elizabeth City NC WWOC 94.5 FM Hatteras NC -------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevtronics" To: Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 12:24 AM Subject: {AMSF} off-topic: HDTV > Has anybody here actually *seen* HDTV -- as in a local over-the-air > TV station being received in HDTV mode on a widescreen TV set? > > Whenever I go into the electronics stores in my area, they have > plenty of wide-screen TV sets on display, but they're all either > showing a regular analog TV/cable signal in stretched-out "fake > widescreen" mode, or a DVD movie in true widescreen mode -- but never > an actual HDTV broadcast, even though these stores are well within > the limited coverage area of the New York City-based HDTV signals. > > Hmm... if *everybody* was using this horizontally-expanded "fake" > widescreen mode on their TV sets, HDTV wouldn't even be necessary to > get a *true* widescreen effect from broadcast TV -- all you'd have to > do is broadcast the video in a horizontally-*compressed* aspect > ratio. Thus, on normal TV sets, it would look "skinny", but on a > widescreen TV operating in "stretched-out" mode, it would expand into > a properly proportioned true widescreen image! > > I suppose this ranks up there with my idea of playing music at > half-speed on AM radio stations, so that when the audio is received > and played back at normal speed, you'd get twice the frequency > response, and a better S/N ratio too! This would compromise the low > bass response, since the typical lower response limit of 30 Hz on the > transmitter would become 60 Hz in double-speed-playback mode, but > you'd still get true 60 - 20,000 Hz audio response while remaining > within the NRSC bandwidth limit! > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sat Aug 10 00:48:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Aug 2002 07:48:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 45957 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2002 07:48:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2002 07:48:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2002 07:48:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2002 07:48:40 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 07:48:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: off-topic: HDTV Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4795 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.221 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > Has anybody here actually *seen* HDTV -- as in a local over-the-air > TV station being received in HDTV mode on a widescreen TV set? > > > do is broadcast the video in a horizontally-*compressed* aspect > ratio. Thus, on normal TV sets, it would look "skinny", but on a > widescreen TV operating in "stretched-out" mode, it would expand > into a properly proportioned true widescreen image! > > I suppose this ranks up there with my idea of playing music at > half-speed on AM radio stations, KHOU Ch11 in my area was the first to broadcast HDTV and I think most of the other stations are either on the air or about to go on the air. Ch11 came on the air I think 1 1/2 years ago and I think the 2 other major networks are on now also. I first saw HDTV when Ch11 first came on at a Home Entertainment store and once or twice saw some packet loss resulting in blocks. About 6 monts ago I saw several HDTVs at Best Buy. I don't know if they had a poor antenna but I saw a lot of packet loss resulting in major blocking. I thought this was rather unusual considering that almost all of the TV towers are less than 10 miles away. I have heard that packet loss can be a problem with HDTV even when the signal is not necessarly weak and this really needs to be solved or else the consumer will not be happy and will hold off on buying HDTV sets. I have to say that technology has managed to squeeze a lot out of the NTSC format and even looks pretty good on a high quality 32" set. You also have to consider that in order for the eye to enjoy all the detail in an HDTV signal you need a good size screen like a 60". For the smaller screens you will have to sit pretty close to enjoy the finer detail. There is a certain level at which the eye can't pick up the finer detail and this is why my 32" NTSC TV looks good when viewed 10' to 15' away. There is a breaking point where the consumer won't really benefit buying a HDTV over a NTSC for the smaller sets. As of now most of the sales will be to avid movie watchers who also have a DVD player and will be buying a large screen. For the smaller sets their price will have to come within ~15% of an equal size NTSC set before the consumer will purchase them in large numbers. My city is one of the 2 major metropolitan areas chosen to do the HDTV rollout I have seen a fair number of HDTV sets in stores in my area for quite awhile now and the local stations have been agressivily modernizing their studios and transmitter sites. Unlike audio compression video compression can actually conserve bandwidth. For instance an NTSC quality signal can be squeezed into half the bandwidth of the 6MHz allocated channel. If you were going to use analog broadcasting for HDTV you would need at least 12MHz or 2 channels worth of space. Going digital has a lot of benefits if they can get this packet loss problem worked out to where it is almost non existent even in the extended local areas. I haven't heard what the effects of the equivalent version of gosting or multipath for digital transmittions would be but in some cases it could mean total loss of picture if the reflections were strong enough. The horizontally compressed idea is already being used in digital video cameras. For instance Sony Digital8 cameras have a 16:9 Full setting that does just that. Now all you need to do is readjust the vertical size control on your NTSC TV to set the aspect ratio. I don't know why they didn't use an auto vertical size adjustment with the setting information sent during the vertical blanking pulse like they do for the closed caption information. The viewer wouldn't even need to set the control and various aspect ratios could be used. The black horizontal bars caused by letterboxing will not be wasted scan lines as all scan lines would be used. The broadcast aspect ratio is set at 16:10.75 about equal to the 3:2 aspect ratio of 35mm film camera in studio and ends up being overscan on the 4:3 aspect ratio sets. Pioneer brought out 16:10.75 aspect ratio rear projection TVs several years back which I thought was a cool idea using all of the NTSC signal. About this octave shifting for AMS. I have also thought of this but you don't really need to half it, you could drop the octave by a factor of 1.5 where 15KHz would become 10KHz and 50Hz would become 33Hz. I did some of this in CoolEdit and decreasing the pitch did OK but increasing the pitch had some artifacts. It could be that CoolEdit didn't have good algorithms for this as there are profesional units that can do this an your ear can't tell it. A chip with a good algorithm would have to be used but now your getting into receiver cost and power consumption that would exclude most small portables. JSG From phil@transmittersrus.com Sat Aug 10 04:32:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Aug 2002 11:32:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 48427 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2002 11:32:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2002 11:32:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.195.174) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2002 11:32:08 -0000 Received: from thebbc.fslife.co.uk ([62.137.158.192] helo=fslife.co.uk) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17dUTX-0005ne-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 12:32:07 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 12:30:27 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WLYC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-U () From: Philip de Cadenet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Hello Jay, Have a look at the new site: http://1050wlyc.com/ which is nearly finished for now at least. Are you within earshot? You can hear it on a good receiver at 60+ miles during daytime. Rgds -- Philip de Cadenet 1050 WLYC Williamsport PA From phil@transmittersrus.com Sat Aug 10 04:41:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Aug 2002 11:41:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 59087 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2002 11:41:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2002 11:41:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.195.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2002 11:41:27 -0000 Received: from thebbc.fslife.co.uk ([62.137.158.192] helo=fslife.co.uk) by cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17dUcY-0001LZ-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 12:41:26 +0100 Message-ID: <8DTsxdZmuPV9EwTd@fslife.co.uk> Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 12:40:22 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Processors MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-U () From: Philip de Cadenet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Mike said: The only processors I know that offer TRUE Matrix processing for AM are the CRL Amigo AM www.crlsystems.com and the Optimod 9100. www.orban.com I had a look over the CRL site which was interesting. I have request some pricing from them. Many thanks. -- Philip de Cadenet 1050 WLYC Williamsport PA From spfleck@citlink.net Sat Aug 10 06:20:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: spfleck@citlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Aug 2002 13:20:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 95180 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2002 13:20:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2002 13:20:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO relay04.roc.frontiernet.net) (66.133.131.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2002 13:20:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 15480 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2002 13:20:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Steve) ([170.215.241.23]) (envelope-sender ) by relay04.roc.frontiernet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 10 Aug 2002 13:20:38 -0000 Message-ID: <008801c24070$b7e5ca00$01c8a8c0@N2UBP> To: References: <1028967178.417.8723.m12@yahoogroups.com> Subject: HDTV Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 09:20:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Steve Fleckenstein" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2988995 X-Yahoo-Profile: n2ubp I hear most if not all of the NYC sourced HDTV gear was lost in the Sept 11th WTC attack. Not sure if any of these stations have replaced their HDTV gear. A friend who is a long time A/V guru claimed the strong HDTV signals in NYC were causing havoc with wireless microphone systems used in the theatre district. If / When HDTV launches I doubt it will have the geographic coverage of traditional signals partly due to frequencies used for HDTV OTA broadcasts. I live 70 miles NW of NYC. Steve N2UBP Orange Cty, NY ARES/RACES/Skywarn EC/RO/County Coordinator From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Aug 10 08:01:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Aug 2002 15:01:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 10355 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2002 15:01:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2002 15:01:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2002 15:01:24 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.58]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 10:59:32 -0400 Message-ID: <001201c2407e$cf0d2f80$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <1028967178.417.8723.m12@yahoogroups.com> <008801c24070$b7e5ca00$01c8a8c0@N2UBP> Subject: Re: {AMSF} HDTV Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 11:01:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Steve- I work in Orange County. We were trying to "off air" some HDTV at our shop when the attack hit. I did see a demo at Sony in NJ the day CBS started testing it, and it was eerie. It was like looking in a window. I could see razor stubble and zits... I kid you not. It got me thinking some things are best left to the imagination... LOL... The coolest demp they did was a split-screen side by side shot with half in HDTV and half normal. wow. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Fleckenstein From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Aug 10 08:30:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Aug 2002 15:30:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 90806 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2002 15:30:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2002 15:30:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14205.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.151) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2002 15:30:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20020810153035.47514.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.190] by web14205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 08:30:35 PDT Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 08:30:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: OT HDTV To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio The FCC COULD force AM STEREO IF they wanted to. Case and point: the FCC is ramrodding HDTV down our throats as reported by the Associated Press Thursday. They will be adding another $250 to each TV set in 2004 to force inclusion of a digital tuner into the 25"+ TV's. They also said it won't apply to portables- no sh**, as portable TV's will all be wastebasket material as there won't be an HDTV-NTSC converter for a portable for a long time, and if so, it certainly won't be under $100USD. If we had people to lobby the folks in Washington DC, like the HDTV people do, and IBOC people do (read $$$$), then AMS would be mandatory too. Also, in regards to over the air HDTV, why does the local Best Buy electronics superstore only show a prerecorded DVD 24/7 on their 32+ screens instead of the local NBC HDTV broadcasts? Afraid of what it would look like, digital artifacts, pixillation and all? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Aug 10 14:05:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Aug 2002 21:05:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 88769 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2002 21:05:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2002 21:05:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2002 21:05:01 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.59]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 17:03:09 -0400 Message-ID: <002e01c240b1$9b43dc20$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: Subject: recording MP3 player Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 17:05:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 For anyone wanting to do airchecks (airchex- a new cereal by Ralston Purina!... sorry) Anyway- get a "Ripflash"! They are great! You can do on the fly, line input stereo recording in a shirt pocket unit-(also works with a computer for normal MP3 stuff, too) you can do about 4 hours worth on the stock 128mb ram. A great product, and there is a guy selling 4 of them on ebay now at $149.00- a steal! (type in "ripflash") CC From narkspud@hotmail.com Sat Aug 10 14:17:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Aug 2002 21:17:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 41643 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2002 21:17:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2002 21:17:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.192) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2002 21:17:36 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 14:17:36 -0700 Received: from 67.225.194.139 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 21:17:36 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT HDTV Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 14:17:36 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Aug 2002 21:17:36.0877 (UTC) FILETIME=[59BE69D0:01C240B3] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.225.194.139] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud >Also, in regards to over the air HDTV, why does the local Best Buy >electronics >superstore only show a prerecorded DVD 24/7 on their 32+ screens instead of >the >local NBC HDTV broadcasts? Afraid of what it would look like, digital >artifacts, pixillation and all? You may not be very far off. You may notice that a lot of the digital TV demos use only very still images. . .long shots of quaint European towns, lions sunning themselves, catfish staying in one spot in still country pools, etc. Fact is, you put a lot of motion on broadcast Digital TV, and it can get even worse than DVD--blockiness, bluriness, just a big ol' mess. Also, your NBC affiliate may not be broadcasting in HDTV most of the time. That digital signal is not necessarily HDTV. Nearly all non-network programs (and some of the network shows as well) are not high-def, but standard definition programs mastered and/or delivered on the usual analog tapes (Beta-SP, 1", or God forbid 3/4") and then digitized on-the-fly for broadcast on the digital channel. My personal opinion is that these SD programs look better in analog, provided the signal is clean enough. From what I can tell, the quality varies from one station to another, sound and picture. Some of our LA-area locals look really nice in digital, others resemble low-bandwidth quicktime. One net affiliate, didn't find out which, has VERY ugly artifacts on their audio channel--would drive me bananas if I was at home enduring it. The Fox affiliate until recently had an annoying policy of cropping the tops and bottoms of the standard aspect ratio programs so the picture would fill more of the screen. Cut off important parts of the picture, but they did it anyway. Noticed just the other day that they've finally started windowboxing (black lines on the sides) like a sensible station. Was also surprised to find that one of our dippy little 100%-mostly-ethnic-paid-program independents, KSCI Channel 18, is now sending out their nasty VHS-PAL-to-NTSC conversions in glorious digital. Considering the quality of the sources, their signal is pretty good. Looks like digital TV is here to stay in Southern California. And I'd like to pay a special internet tribute to Ken Crane's Widescreen Superstore in Westminster, CA, which I visited on Thursday. It's literally the first store I've EVER been in where ALL the TV's had the aspect ratios set correctly--no skinny OR fat pictures anywhere. Circuit City, Best Buy, Good Guys, Sears, Fry's, etc. couldn't get this right to save their lives. BTW, there IS a signal that's added to the video blanking interval that tells your TV when to kick into animorphic 16x9 mode--provided that you RTFM and set it up right in the first place. . . . . . . . . . . narkspud _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Aug 10 18:54:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 11 Aug 2002 01:54:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 92665 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2002 01:54:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2002 01:54:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2002 01:54:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2002 01:54:00 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 01:53:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1210 WPHT in full STEREO Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1303 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics As I type this from my listening post in the Washington, DC area, I can confirm that 1210 WPHT in Philadelphia is in fact transmitting their weekend music programs by Sid Mark in AM Stereo with full separation. However, they appear to be doing the old 96.5 WWDB-FM trick of broadcasting the news/talk programs during the rest of the week in plain mono. It is great to at least have the music on WPHT in Stereo, but I still think we can convince them to leave the Stereo on all the time. Meanwhile, unfortunately there does not appear to be any local AM Stereo in the DC area, at least with the signals listenable at night. But the DX is pretty good -- 740 CHWO from Ontario and 1030 WBZ from Boston are coming in crystal clear, as is 1040 WJHR from Flemington, NJ -- a station that is supposed to be only 1 kW at night with the signal pointed due east! Perhaps they are leaving it on their 4.7 kW daytime pattern which points north and south. I am also getting what appears to be a Stereo pilot from 1090 WBAL, although it sounds a bit "fluttery" so it could just be "falsing". And finally, on the top of the dial, Neal's 1680 WTTM from NJ is coming in well with a Stereo signal -- but we are still waiting to hear full Stereo sound from your great Optimod 9100-processed signal! From groucho@skyweb.net Sat Aug 10 20:18:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 11 Aug 2002 03:18:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 40113 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2002 03:18:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2002 03:18:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2002 03:18:47 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g7B3OsQ6042873 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 23:24:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D55D6C0.25809D6C@skyweb.net> Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 23:15:13 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1210 WPHT in full STEREO References: From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit heheheh as I said last week. I heard WPHT in stereo.. Now a report as to what's happening... I have been Calling Verizon everyday there is still an RF problem on the phone lines at the Site. and they keep telling me they special ordered some RF proof Equipment and It has not yet come in... its a funny thing its $2200+ to install each Line.. and they guarantee it in 30 days.. However in this case its well Over 60 days.. I wonder what does that 30 day guarantee mean?? do I get this Line installed for Free???? I highly doubt it... anyway that's what it all Boils down to.. Im still waiting For Verizon for the second (Right side) of my stereo... I just wish they would have gone for the T-1 in the First place Like I wanted. But the Harris Interplex T-1 system is Over $12k which we didn't have and probably still Don't have. So its Just a waiting Game here.. Neal Newman Chief Engineer and pilot light maker WTTM 1680 am stereo P.S. things are Done in Indian standard time.. I'm also still waiting For My promised QSL certificates they told Me that were at the Printers. So I can mail them Out... I may just have to create some on my computer and print them Out .. I have Not Forgotten. my QSLers.... Patience.... I'm dealing with Indian standard time.. they are the only ones I know slower than the FCC in getting things done. kevtronics wrote: > As I type this from my listening post in the Washington, DC area, I > can confirm that 1210 WPHT in Philadelphia is in fact transmitting > their weekend music programs by Sid Mark in AM Stereo with full > separation. However, they appear to be doing the old 96.5 WWDB-FM > trick of broadcasting the news/talk programs during the rest of the > week in plain mono. It is great to at least have the music on WPHT in > > Stereo, but I still think we can convince them to leave the Stereo on > all the time. > > Meanwhile, unfortunately there does not appear to be any local > AM Stereo in the DC area, at least with the signals listenable at > night. But the DX is pretty good -- 740 CHWO from Ontario and 1030 > WBZ from Boston are coming in crystal clear, as is 1040 WJHR from > Flemington, NJ -- a station that is supposed to be only 1 kW at night > with the signal pointed due east! Perhaps they are leaving it on > their 4.7 kW daytime pattern which points north and south. > > I am also getting what appears to be a Stereo pilot from 1090 WBAL, > although it sounds a bit "fluttery" so it could just be "falsing". > > And finally, on the top of the dial, Neal's 1680 WTTM from NJ is > coming in well with a Stereo signal -- but we are still waiting to > hear full Stereo sound from your great Optimod 9100-processed signal! > > > > Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Sat Aug 10 20:50:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 11 Aug 2002 03:50:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 48062 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2002 03:50:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2002 03:50:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2002 03:50:44 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g7B3uvQ6045657 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 23:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D55DE43.E4498D52@skyweb.net> Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 23:47:16 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FCC Database References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Maybe one of you Guys out there knows ways into the FCC Database.. I have in my possession a Copy of an OFFICIAL NOTICE OF VIOLATION that I said was going to happen to the Old station I was at, and the reason I left that station. since I was the one that reported them. But for the Life of Me I cannot find it on the FCC web site For All to see... If not for this hard copy I would Never have know that it actually did happen... Its dated May 28,2002 refer to:EB-02-PA-211 This is only the beginning. I only reported 9 major Violations and they were hit with 6 so far.. Its Been more than 30 days to respond. and they are still in violation. and Cannot Find anything about it On the FCC web site its driving me Nuts... Neal From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Aug 10 22:21:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 11 Aug 2002 05:21:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 14010 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2002 05:21:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2002 05:21:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.34) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2002 05:21:54 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id r.120.14493a06 (3842) for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 01:21:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <120.14493a06.2a874e6a@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 01:21:46 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FCC Database To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Hey Neal... Whats the FCC # ,or the DA #,or the Docket/RM number of the NAL? I did a search on "Its dated May 28,2002 refer to:EB-02-PA-211" and nothing can be found on the site. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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Im glad I left the station and reported them b4 they tried to blame them on me. its a VERY Long Story. I sure hope they revoke the license.... this ONOV(Official notice of Violation). is based Just on technical violations. not including the falsifying of Applications and the fact the FCC granted the license because they had No Idea the applications were falsely Filed.. what a mess.... Neal KC4QLP@aol.com wrote: > Hey Neal... > Whats the FCC # ,or the DA #,or the Docket/RM number of the NAL? I > did a > search on "Its dated May 28,2002 refer to:EB-02-PA-211" and nothing > can be > found on the site. > > Bob Carter > Operations/Engineering > > WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 > Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio > > Network > > Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with > engineering > services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. > e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com > http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice > Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC > WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC > WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC > > AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- > amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com > > amstereo-subcribe@topica.com > amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > > KC4QLP Amateur Radio > Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va > www.kc4qlp.cjb.net > > voice contact-252-335-0856 > fax 1-209-254-8978 > _______________________________________________________ > > WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Aug 11 07:19:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 11 Aug 2002 14:19:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 96984 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2002 14:19:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2002 14:19:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2002 14:19:27 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-246.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.246]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g7BEFpLA002587 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 09:15:53 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000001a8f3e2$4d1505e0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Processing Date: Mon, 14 Jan 1980 17:16:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude If you can find a good used one, a mono unit should run about $2500; the stereo upgrade is still available for another $2000. If that's too rich, some used CRL gear would work ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip de Cadenet" > Which, if any processors offer matrix processing? Maybe the $8K 9100 > Optimod! Something we cannot afford. > From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun Aug 11 09:20:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 11 Aug 2002 16:20:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 101 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2002 16:20:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2002 16:20:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2002 16:20:06 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt ([209.63.214.247]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g7BGK5T15470 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 09:20:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <061a01c24152$3d31e900$44f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: Subject: Interesting post from another list... Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 09:14:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla From: "Jerry Mathis" To: broadcast@broadcast.net Subject: Re: [BC] IBOC dead? was: CC buys its biggest critic Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 00:03:07 -0400 Reply-To: broadcast@broadcast.net It goes without saying that there must be rules. But before casting one in concrete, make SURE it is the right one. The problem I'm having is that the current version of IBOC is NOT the right one, and I'm not the only one here by a long shot that thinks this. AM Stereo is still a sore point with me, I know stations (and Engineers) that worked long and hard to make AM Stereo fly, much money spent on equipment and operation, only to realize squat for our efforts. The current IBOC scheme will force many stations to completely rebuild their transmitting facilities. In the case of AM, it doesn't even work at night, and it degrades daytime reception, and NOW they want to force us to adopt this as a standard? Jerry Mathis LifeTalk Radio This message has been composed of recycled electrons. None of these electrons has been harmed or injured in the creation and transmission of this message but they have been shamelessly exploited for this use. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Aug 11 12:31:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 11 Aug 2002 19:31:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 86563 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2002 19:31:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2002 19:31:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14204.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.146) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2002 19:31:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20020811193151.68915.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.190] by web14204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 12:31:51 PDT Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 12:31:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 1050AM website looks great To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Philip: your 1050 WLYC website looks very classy, and I like it very much. The only thing missing is 1050 AM STEREO WLYC! Good luck with your project there! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Aug 11 19:09:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Aug 2002 02:09:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 65184 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2002 02:09:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2002 02:09:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2002 02:09:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2002 02:09:57 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 02:09:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FCC Database Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D55DE43.E4498D52@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 601 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.151 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I have in my possession a Copy of an OFFICIAL NOTICE OF VIOLATION > that I said was going to happen to the Old station I was at If this is about 89.3 WCNJ, that station has been a mess for the past 5 years or so... it all started when they changed the transmitter site and power level without telling the FCC first... Oops! Nowadays, WCNJ is now in FM "Stereo", but the modulation is set so hot that the Stereo light "winks" on audio peaks -- I guess their idea of "audio processing" is to just crank up the volume and let the transmitter's RF clipping take care of setting the audio level! From shelswartz@yahoo.com Sun Aug 11 19:25:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: shelswartz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Aug 2002 02:25:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 9567 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2002 02:25:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2002 02:25:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14912.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.225.248) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2002 02:25:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20020812022544.2797.qmail@web14912.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.86.166.57] by web14912.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 19:25:44 PDT Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 19:25:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1050AM website looks great To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20020811193151.68915.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Shel Swartz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91652391 X-Yahoo-Profile: shelswartz Where the heck is it? Can't find it in Google. :) --- Johnny Electron wrote: > Philip: your 1050 WLYC website looks very classy, > and I like it very much. The > only thing missing is 1050 AM STEREO WLYC! Good > luck with your project there! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From kfornal@loa.com Sun Aug 11 19:30:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kfornal@loa.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Aug 2002 02:30:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 61640 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2002 02:30:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2002 02:30:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao02.cox.net) (68.1.17.243) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2002 02:30:44 -0000 Received: from OMNIBOOK ([68.9.127.164]) by lakemtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020812023039.CHND3097.lakemtao02.cox.net@OMNIBOOK> for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 22:30:39 -0400 To: Subject: FCC Question Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 22:30:00 -0400 Message-ID: <001001c241a8$2d763d30$0401a8c0@OMNIBOOK> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Keith Fornal" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110312140 X-Yahoo-Profile: theradboy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Who would I contact at the FCC regarding a daytime-only AM station that continues to broadcast at night? The station in question is WPMZ 1110 in East Providence, RI. They seem to keep leaving their transmitter on at night broadcasting 5,000 watts of dead air. This station has had run-ins with the FCC regarding unauthorized nighttime operation in the past but I don't understand why they would just leave their transmitter on broadcasting NOTHING? All this ends up doing is ruining any chance to pick up distant stations near that frequency at night. Even mighty WBZ 1030 suffers interference if I am anywhere near the WPMZ tower at night. I understand that WBT 1110 Charlotte brought the complaint about WPMZ's unauthorized 250 watt operation in the past. Should I contact WBT? Could this illegal nighttime operation interfere with other AM stations nearby? WSKO 790 is located about a half mile from WPMZ and WRIB 1220 is about a mile away. Keith Fornal Treasurer Dutch Island Lighthouse Society www.dutchislandlighthouse.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Sun Aug 11 22:59:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Aug 2002 05:59:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 97086 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2002 05:59:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2002 05:59:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2002 05:59:27 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g7C65WQ6076108 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 02:05:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D574DDF.65B94D5C@skyweb.net> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 01:55:43 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FCC Database References: From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit actually the First part is Not true they did Not change sites or power without telling the FCC first.... they had an STA to reduce power from 10 to 8 watts and raise the antenna From 125 feet up to 250 feet at the location they are at.. However when the STA expired they were supposed to lower the antenna back down to 125 feet and power back up to 10 watts ERP. But for 2 years of Fighting with the licensee. they would not do it... So I did one Better I lowered the transmitter power by 10 watts. and left it at 5 watts erp. still a great signal. But that's line of site.. I should have Filed the Complaints back then with the FCC.. But I didn't.. Now that this new guy has It...and Im no longer the Engineer.. its crazy... Running 133% modulation according to My TFT modulation Meter. and the Stereo Pilot with only a mono 8kc broadcast line from the studio to the TX.. All I care about is that I get the antenna and transmitter back. since they Belong to Me... I hope they finally pull the license... I wish I knew who their New engineer is Because he needs to be Educated on how to Be a real engineer and get his Ears cleaned Because the Audio sounds like SHiiiT... Neal kevtronics wrote: > > I have in my possession a Copy of an OFFICIAL NOTICE OF VIOLATION > > that I said was going to happen to the Old station I was at > > If this is about 89.3 WCNJ, that station has been a mess for the past > 5 years or so... it all started when they changed the transmitter > site and power level without telling the FCC first... Oops! > > Nowadays, WCNJ is now in FM "Stereo", but the modulation is set so > hot that the Stereo light "winks" on audio peaks -- I guess their > idea of "audio processing" is to just crank up the volume and let the > transmitter's RF clipping take care of setting the audio level! > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT [Image] > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereo@optushome.com.au Mon Aug 12 00:59:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@optushome.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Aug 2002 07:59:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 92112 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2002 07:59:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2002 07:59:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail021.syd.optusnet.com.au) (210.49.20.161) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2002 07:59:03 -0000 Received: from durocket1200 (c17302.ipswc1.qld.optusnet.com.au [210.49.44.162]) by mail021.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id g7C7x2w13280 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:59:02 +1000 Message-ID: <000c01c241d6$20676910$1a02a8c0@durocket1200> To: Subject: alfredo information, Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:59:03 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "voltare - matt2" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=105920058 X-Yahoo-Profile: voltar_e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris (or anyone in the know how) I am ordering a new crystal for the alfredo lite i have in my possession, now, i understand that the crystal frequ. is broadcast frequ x 4 (1053 x 4 = 4.212 MHz) now the crystal that is already on the board is 4.781 which is used on 1197 (set by chris) = 1195.25, where 1197 x 4 = 4.788, meaning that the unit is 'tuned' down to match, what does the blue trimpot near the crystal perform, and and how do i set it to work with a correct spec'd crystal so it locks on the right frequency? curiosity because 1197 (switch) is back on air, no stereo just yet, coming soon, so i can no-longer utilise the transmitter, it's going to a new frequency when i get a crystal. thankx --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 2/08/2002 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From phil@transmittersrus.com Mon Aug 12 01:45:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Aug 2002 08:45:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 62845 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2002 08:45:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2002 08:45:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.195.171) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2002 08:45:56 -0000 Received: from thebbc.fslife.co.uk ([62.137.158.192] helo=fslife.co.uk) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17eApn-000731-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:45:55 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:44:37 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1050 WLYC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-U () From: Philip de Cadenet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Johnny Electron said: Philip: your 1050 WLYC website looks very classy, and I like it very much. The only thing missing is 1050 AM STEREO WLYC! Good luck with your project there! Well thanks for the flowers but the credit is due to our forthcoming morning drive presenter Brian who joins the station in a couple of weeks time. He likes computers! I'm working on the stereo thing. As I think I previously mentioned the Harris generator is now in the rack but I have several other issues and lack of a stereo processor to sort out before it can be hooked up. The studio is being built as we speak as at present it's just the PC that's doing the talking. Remember, we brought this station back from the dead not three months ago. -- Philip de Cadenet 1050 WLYC Williamsport PA From phil@transmittersrus.com Mon Aug 12 02:02:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Aug 2002 09:02:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 17004 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2002 09:02:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2002 09:02:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.195.174) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2002 09:02:36 -0000 Received: from thebbc.fslife.co.uk ([62.137.158.192] helo=fslife.co.uk) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17eB5v-000136-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:02:35 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:01:28 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1050 WLYC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-U () From: Philip de Cadenet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Shel, Try here: http://1050wlyc.com/ I've just tried it and some of the pages are down so Brian's probably working on them. It's a very new site and I do not think it has been found or registered with Google yet. Enjoy. -- Philip de Cadenet 1050 WLYC Williamsport PA From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Mon Aug 12 02:22:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Aug 2002 09:22:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 42971 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2002 09:22:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2002 09:22:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.32.181.61) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2002 09:22:34 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 02:22:34 -0700 Received: from 208.228.96.20 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:22:34 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} alfredo information, Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 05:22:34 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Aug 2002 09:22:34.0812 (UTC) FILETIME=[CAF24FC0:01C241E1] From: "Chris Cuff" X-Originating-IP: [208.228.96.20] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059 The trimpots are not for the frequency- all you need to do is replace the crystal- There won't be anything else you will need to do, unless you are going under 890 khz. CC >From: "voltare - matt2" > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Aug 12 07:07:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Aug 2002 14:07:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 33906 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2002 14:07:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2002 14:07:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m3-cluster1.vcn.com) (209.193.72.33) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2002 14:07:50 -0000 Received: from keva (unverified [63.175.110.110]) by m3-cluster1.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:07:50 -0600 Message-ID: <001401c24212$9f722e20$3301010a@keva> To: Subject: WooHoo!! KEVA 1240 AM Stereo Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:12:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Gentlemen... It's official. At about 7:30 last night, I turned the transmitter back on with all modifications and KEVA is now broadcasting in full clean AM STEREO!! It's a beautiful thing....it really is :) It sounds really good actually. Uh...most of the time anyway. Looks like the audio card inside the exciter has some dirty switches on it and I keep losing the left channel. Right now I'm on the air and it's driving me crazy. I keep walking back to the transmitter room and giving the exciter a whack! and the left channel comes back :) No, I'm not whacking it hard....and it's not mounted in the rack. It's just sitting there so I can pull it out and flip the switches back and forth on the top and get the left channel back. In any case.....these CRL processors really do a NICE job. It's wierd...it's like I can actually HEAR each channel being processed totally on it's own. Maybe that's part of the "true matrix processing" thing. Anyhoo.....we're on! Thanks to everyone for all the help....especially Bob Carter in NC. I wouldn't have been able to do this without your help! Air checks coming! MJR in ((((stereo)))) in Wyo! From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Mon Aug 12 07:18:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Aug 2002 14:18:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 96831 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2002 14:18:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2002 14:18:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2002 14:18:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2002 14:18:07 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:18:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: When does WOR IBOC? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 111 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 141.157.198.182 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio Does anyone know when WOR is going to be testing the IBOC horror? It was supposed to be sometime this month. From meridian3891@cs.com Mon Aug 12 07:33:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: meridian3891@cs.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Aug 2002 14:33:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 9898 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2002 14:33:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2002 14:33:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2002 14:33:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2002 14:33:23 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:33:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: HDTV Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008801c24070$b7e5ca00$01c8a8c0@N2UBP> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1444 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "onemeridian" X-Originating-IP: 205.166.36.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=48487815 X-Yahoo-Profile: onemeridian I believe the HDTV equipment was lost alongside the analog broadcasting equipment. When I bought my house in Lansdale, PA in 2000, I hooked my TV set up to the large outdoor antenna (courtesy of previous owner). When I set it to "auto-program, It gave me 2-13: Philly & N.Y.C. stations. Philly also has 2 LPTV stations: one on 7 & another on 8. I can still get WCBS Channel 2, but not nearly as strong as before 9/11/01. I cannot get ANY indication from the others; I live 100 miles SW of N.Y.C. Sometimes I get Baltimore & Washington (on UHF too). Tony P.S. I was on the Cornicopia Cruise yesterday (8/11/02), & it sailed around the Statue of Liberty. It was a great time, but also a bit eerie seeing Manhattan without the Trade Center. --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Steve Fleckenstein" wrote: > I hear most if not all of the NYC sourced HDTV gear was lost in the Sept > 11th WTC attack. > > Not sure if any of these stations have replaced their HDTV gear. > > A friend who is a long time A/V guru claimed the strong HDTV signals in NYC > were causing havoc with wireless microphone systems used in the theatre > district. > > If / When HDTV launches I doubt it will have the geographic coverage of > traditional signals partly due to frequencies used for HDTV OTA broadcasts. > I live 70 miles NW of NYC. > > Steve > N2UBP > Orange Cty, NY ARES/RACES/Skywarn EC/RO/County Coordinator From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Aug 12 07:40:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Aug 2002 14:40:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 17676 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2002 14:40:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2002 14:40:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2002 14:40:33 -0000 Received: from Chris1 (unverified [208.228.96.20]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:38:49 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01c2420e$384dbfb0$0d01a8c0@Chris1> To: References: <001401c24212$9f722e20$3301010a@keva> Subject: Re: {AMSF} WooHoo!! KEVA 1240 AM Stereo Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:40:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Michael- this is a common problem- get some tuner cleaner spray, and spray all the switches- especially the "day-night" switches. Unplug all the cards, and clean the contacts with a pencil eraser. That'l do it. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael J. Richard" From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Aug 12 07:55:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Aug 2002 14:55:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 74251 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2002 14:55:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2002 14:55:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster1.vcn.com) (209.193.72.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2002 14:55:36 -0000 Received: from keva (unverified [63.175.110.110]) by m1-cluster1.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:55:36 -0600 Message-ID: <001c01c24219$4beaf460$3301010a@keva> To: References: <001401c24212$9f722e20$3301010a@keva> <000f01c2420e$384dbfb0$0d01a8c0@Chris1> Subject: Re: {AMSF} WooHoo!! KEVA 1240 AM Stereo Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:59:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Thanks Chris! Yeah that's what I was thinking I need to do. And honestly.....since KRPX in Price was a daytimer, there IS no night card in this one. Just the day card. All of the flip switches are to enable the eq-ing stuff....well....when the left channel's eq-ing is enable...there's no left. Just a bit of some static. So basically the way it's running is with the right eq-ing only enable. Left can't be or there's no left channel. I'm hoping that's a dirty switch or pot or something. Grant it, yeah...I can hear a slight difference between the channels here in the studio on the monitor, but I don't think anyone out there can. Could be wrong, though. I'll have to pull the card out and really clean everything on it good. I'm glad I wired this one correctly with a "switch" right on the transmitter to switch back to the transmitter's internal exciter and crystal. Now all I have to do is flip that switch then I can take the exciter out of service to remove the card and clean it without having to shut down the transmitter. I need to fix that. It's driving me batty. I tried DISABLING all EQ...both channels....and that's fine...but there's not NEARLY as much separation and at that point the left channel is hotter than the right. So I'd rather run the EQ. I'm sure Motorola would rather me (or would have) run it too. That's the right way to do it. We shall see MJR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Cuff" To: Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 7:40 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} WooHoo!! KEVA 1240 AM Stereo > Michael- this is a common problem- get some tuner cleaner spray, and spray > all the switches- especially the "day-night" switches. > Unplug all the cards, and clean the contacts with a pencil eraser. > That'l do it. > CC > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael J. Richard" > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > From meridian3891@cs.com Mon Aug 12 08:20:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: meridian3891@cs.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Aug 2002 15:20:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 63265 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2002 15:20:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2002 15:20:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2002 15:20:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2002 15:20:53 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 15:20:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Hey Neal! I was in NJ yesterday! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 312 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "onemeridian" X-Originating-IP: 205.166.36.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=48487815 X-Yahoo-Profile: onemeridian Neal, I was on the NJ Turnpike & I-195 yesterday when I tuned in WTTM 1680. We were in a 2001 Suburu Forrester with the standard AM/FM cassette (no AM stereo), & 1680 was coming in with STRONG signal! It comes in great here at my house & my car in Lansdale (Northwest of Philly)! Tony From mychucky@funport.net Mon Aug 12 08:56:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mychucky@funport.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Aug 2002 15:56:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 18423 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2002 15:56:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2002 15:56:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.funport.com) (216.199.19.6) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2002 15:56:06 -0000 Received: from FatMusic2000 ([]) by mail.funport.com (Merak 5.0.2) with SMTP id JFB36580 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 11:54:35 -0400 Message-ID: <004101c24219$3f2fad60$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> To: References: <001001c241a8$2d763d30$0401a8c0@OMNIBOOK> Subject: Re: {AMSF} FCC Question Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 11:59:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85836819 X-Yahoo-Profile: mychucky1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Everyone, Why not give them a call first. Most of the time these days stations are operating on a remote control unit that turns the transmitter off. These remotes are clock driven and can lower power raise power and even turn on outside lights or a toaster. all while monitoring the Plate current Plate voltage and Antenna current. If the remote is defective the transmitter will stay on . These remotes are programmed to alert someone if operation perimeters are out of tolerance. Once again if the remote is broken it won't call. The fact that they are broadcasting dead air tells me that they did not expect to have the transmitter on therefore did not provide program material. So before you RAT them out give them a courtesy call. Regards Chuck www.stereoam.com WXGV WYGV Jacksonville Florida ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Fornal To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 10:30 PM Subject: {AMSF} FCC Question Who would I contact at the FCC regarding a daytime-only AM station that continues to broadcast at night? The station in question is WPMZ 1110 in East Providence, RI. They seem to keep leaving their transmitter on at night broadcasting 5,000 watts of dead air. This station has had run-ins with the FCC regarding unauthorized nighttime operation in the past but I don't understand why they would just leave their transmitter on broadcasting NOTHING? All this ends up doing is ruining any chance to pick up distant stations near that frequency at night. Even mighty WBZ 1030 suffers interference if I am anywhere near the WPMZ tower at night. I understand that WBT 1110 Charlotte brought the complaint about WPMZ's unauthorized 250 watt operation in the past. Should I contact WBT? Could this illegal nighttime operation interfere with other AM stations nearby? WSKO 790 is located about a half mile from WPMZ and WRIB 1220 is about a mile away. Keith Fornal Treasurer Dutch Island Lighthouse Society www.dutchislandlighthouse.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor I'm a Man Woman seeking a Woman Man Enter city or ZIP Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From fanfare@globility.com Mon Aug 12 09:02:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Aug 2002 16:02:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 88477 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2002 16:02:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2002 16:02:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO columbus.globility.com) (205.189.152.11) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2002 16:02:31 -0000 Received: from FAN-2-PJS (dynamic-b2-218.highspeed.eol.ca [64.56.234.218]) by columbus.globility.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7CG2TK21097 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 12:02:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200208121202280840.00C99335@mail.globility.com> In-Reply-To: <001401c24212$9f722e20$3301010a@keva> References: <001401c24212$9f722e20$3301010a@keva> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 12:02:28 -0400 To: "Kevin Tekel" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WooHoo!! KEVA 1240 AM Stereo Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Marv Southcott" Reply-To: fanfare@globility.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Congratulations, Michael!! In a year from now, you'll have a lot more listening to your station than you ever dreamed. Marv *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 8/12/2002 at 8:12 AM Michael J. Richard wrote: Gentlemen... It's official. At about 7:30 last night, I turned the transmitter back on with all modifications and KEVA is now broadcasting in full clean AM STEREO!! It's a beautiful thing....it really is :) It sounds really good actually. Uh...most of the time anyway. Looks like the audio card inside the exciter has some dirty switches on it and I keep losing the left channel. Right now I'm on the air and it's driving me crazy. I keep walking back to the transmitter room and giving the exciter a whack! and the left channel comes back :) No, I'm not whacking it hard....and it's not mounted in the rack. It's just sitting there so I can pull it out and flip the switches back and forth on the top and get the left channel back. In any case.....these CRL processors really do a NICE job. It's wierd...it's like I can actually HEAR each channel being processed totally on it's own. Maybe that's part of the "true matrix processing" thing. Anyhoo.....we're on! Thanks to everyone for all the help....especially Bob Carter in NC. I wouldn't have been able to do this without your help! Air checks coming! MJR in ((((stereo)))) in Wyo! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Aug 12 09:22:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Aug 2002 16:22:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 876 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2002 16:22:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2002 16:22:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2002 16:22:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2002 16:22:39 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 16:22:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: HDTV Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1619 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I can still get WCBS Channel 2, but not nearly as strong as before > 9/11/01. I cannot get ANY indication from the others; I live 100 > miles SW of N.Y.C. WCBS-2 and a few UHF stations like UniVision-41 are the only NYC TV stations using full power since 9/11. WCBS-2 was the only VHF station that kept their original setup on the Empire State Building as a backup after all the VHF stations moved to the WTC. Rumour has it WCBS-2 only kept their ESB transmitter because somebody forgot to cancel the lease, but it sure came in handy both during the 1993 WTC bombing and now during and after 9/11. All the other VHF stations (WNBC-4, WNYW-5, WABC-7, WWOR-9, WPIX-11, and WNET-13) have since jury-rigged transmitters on the ESB but they are not even close to full power level. I think WNET-13 may even still be transmitting from the Armstrong tower in Alpine, NJ but I'm not sure. FM station 103.5 WKTU, formerly on the WTC, is now transmitting from Clear Channel's back-up site on 4 Times Square. Needless to say, having nearly all of NYC's TV and FM stations situated on the top of a single building is quite a mess, and is an engineering headache just to keep everything on the air. A new master TV antenna for NYC is a must, regardless if it is a stand- alone tower or is at the top of whatever building(s) will be built at the WTC site. Here in NJ we have a tower that is about 1000 feet tall and is home to several TV and FM stations, and is quite a sight, but I don't know if such a thing would blend in harmoniously with the NYC skyline unless it is given a more artistic style. From philipr@irac.pe.ca Mon Aug 12 09:52:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Aug 2002 16:52:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 92097 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2002 16:52:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2002 16:52:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2002 16:52:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2002 16:52:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 16:52:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WooHoo!! KEVA 1240 AM Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001401c24212$9f722e20$3301010a@keva> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 765 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Gentlemen... > It's official. At about 7:30 last night, I turned the transmitter back on > with all modifications and KEVA is now broadcasting in full clean AM > STEREO!! Congrats Mike! Great to see another AM station go stereo! Given that KEVA is on 1240, its not too likely I'll pick it up in PEI - but - WTTM sure comes in nicely here at night! However, given that CJRW flipped from 1240 AM to 102.1 FM 3 years ago, there is always a chance I might pick KEVA up - as there is nothing anywhere near local on 1240, 1250 or 1230. How much day and night power? Maybe 1kw day, .25kw night? Circular pattern? 1/4 wavelength tower? Phil in PEI [always curious about the specs!] From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Mon Aug 12 10:10:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Aug 2002 17:10:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 47209 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2002 17:10:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2002 17:10:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2002 17:10:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2002 17:09:58 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:09:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Denon 680 Repair Question Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 335 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tom_richard1980" X-Originating-IP: 65.104.44.239 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 My Denon TU 680 has a problem whereby the FM Stereo light starts flickering with the Mono light rapidly. The signal itself will be in mono, and sometimes the tuner will actually turn itself on.... Do any of you have an idea what causes this? I'm actually relieved that it's the FM and not the AM Stereo that's acting up... Tom From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Aug 12 10:40:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Aug 2002 17:40:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 68018 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2002 17:40:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2002 17:40:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m3-cluster1.vcn.com) (209.193.72.33) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2002 17:40:55 -0000 Received: from keva (unverified [63.175.110.110]) by m3-cluster1.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 11:40:55 -0600 Message-ID: <001701c24230$66536500$3301010a@keva> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WooHoo!! KEVA 1240 AM Stereo Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 11:45:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Thanks Phil! As with any other "graveyard" frequency....as they're referred to here in the states....we're 1000 watts...day and night. Then again all the other (one or two hundred or so) 1240's in the country are 1000 watts as well. We HAVE received reception reports from DXers in Finland and Sweden having picked us up. Don't ask me how it was us and not one of the other many 1240's....but it was definitely us. They usually include tapes of the reception with their reception report. So as DXing goes....ya just never know :) Meanwhile, enjoying the stereo. :) MJR n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: "tubesareking" To: Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 9:52 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: WooHoo!! KEVA 1240 AM Stereo > --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Michael J. Richard" > wrote: > > Gentlemen... > > It's official. At about 7:30 last night, I turned the transmitter > back on > > with all modifications and KEVA is now broadcasting in full clean > AM > > STEREO!! > > Congrats Mike! Great to see another AM station go stereo! Given > that KEVA is on 1240, its not too likely I'll pick it up in PEI - > but - WTTM sure comes in nicely here at night! > > However, given that CJRW flipped from 1240 AM to 102.1 FM 3 years > ago, there is always a chance I might pick KEVA up - as there is > nothing anywhere near local on 1240, 1250 or 1230. How much day and > night power? Maybe 1kw day, .25kw night? Circular pattern? 1/4 > wavelength tower? > > Phil in PEI > [always curious about the specs!] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > From meridian3891@cs.com Mon Aug 12 10:55:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: meridian3891@cs.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Aug 2002 17:55:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 6808 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2002 17:55:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2002 17:55:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2002 17:55:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2002 17:55:56 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:55:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: HDTV Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 970 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "onemeridian" X-Originating-IP: 205.166.36.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=48487815 X-Yahoo-Profile: onemeridian --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > > I can still get WCBS Channel 2, but not nearly as strong as before > > 9/11/01. I cannot get ANY indication from the others; I live 100 > > miles SW of N.Y.C. > > WCBS-2 and a few UHF stations like UniVision-41 are the only NYC TV > stations using full power since 9/11. Are they really running the same amount of power that they did when they were on the Trade Center? Maybe the transmitter in ESB is of a lower wattage than what they had in the Trade Center; their signal isn't ANYWHERE near as strong as it was prior to 9/11/01. When the DX rolls in, Baltimore shuts out WCBS completely. I have looked this up, & have read that the ESB does not have heavy enough wiring to carry all those kilovolts for all those transmitters (but this is also being corrected), as the Trade Center was actually equipped with such for all those TV & FM stations. TONY From rondallb@hotmail.com Mon Aug 12 11:28:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rondallb@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Aug 2002 18:28:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 65208 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2002 18:28:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2002 18:28:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2002 18:28:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2002 18:28:02 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 18:27:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: MC13024 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002401c1db57$f95ddb40$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 662 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rondallb2000" X-Originating-IP: 170.142.1.33 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Christopher Cuff" wrote: > Motorola published a booklet on how to use the MC13024. It is a very > detailed booklet, which I have. There are about 20 pages to it or so, but > next time i get to Staples I can make a copy and send it to someone that has > a PDF assembler. > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jsgilst > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 4:41 PM > Subject: {AMSF} MC13024 > > > > The MC13024 datasheet looks like it is preliminary > > and doesn't contain any info about its forced stereo > > feature. I have a PDF assembler if you want to send it to me. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Aug 12 13:10:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Aug 2002 20:10:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 42446 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2002 20:10:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2002 20:10:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11701.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2002 20:10:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20020812201047.84760.qmail@web11701.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.36.49] by web11701.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:10:47 PDT Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:10:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} FCC Question To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <004101c24219$3f2fad60$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I am 2 miles away from WPMZ's XMTR. and I HATE them! Forever WHIM! I've called them 3 or 5 times. They are IDIOTS! I can get some other people to complain too if you'd like. Jay P.S.: Keith, if you need to call me, send a personal e-mail to me. a1asurfradio@yahoo.com. I take it you're in (401) 434- as well. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From KC4QLP@aol.com Mon Aug 12 13:17:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Aug 2002 20:17:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 77804 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2002 20:17:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2002 20:17:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.7) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2002 20:17:52 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id r.87.1fb26949 (3972) for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 16:17:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <87.1fb26949.2a8971ea@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 16:17:46 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} WooHoo!! KEVA 1240 AM Stereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 8/12/02 10:08:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, michaelj@vcn.com writes: << Gentlemen... It's official. At about 7:30 last night, I turned the transmitter back on with all modifications and KEVA is now broadcasting in full clean AM STEREO!! >> Congrats Michael!...job well done! I'm with Chris on the audio board switch problem. Just shoot'em up with a cleaner and work the switches some to knock off some dust or corrosion thats built up over the years. Unfortunately I'll never hear KEVA here as my city has another AM on 1240 {mono by the way broadcasting "music of your death"...eer life I mean, 24hrs a day}When I null out the station I regularly hear a station in the piedmont area of Va in amongst the graveyard rumble. Now if I could only get WMIK 560 AM in Ky to start operating with their night facilities of 88 watts instead of day facilities of 2500 watts at night...I and the other 560 ops will be happy campers......The time has come to buzz the FCC...AGAIN! 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KEVA 1240 AM Stereo Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 15:49:02 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200208121202280840.00C99335@mail.globility.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I assume that would be the forthcoming Fanfare? :) Can't wait! MJR -----Original Message----- From: Marv Southcott [mailto:fanfare@globility.com] Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 10:02 AM To: Kevin Tekel Subject: Re: {AMSF} WooHoo!! KEVA 1240 AM Stereo Congratulations, Michael!! In a year from now, you'll have a lot more listening to your station than you ever dreamed. Marv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmdx@fastq.com Mon Aug 12 15:29:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Aug 2002 22:29:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 3560 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2002 22:29:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2002 22:29:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2002 22:29:56 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d160-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.192]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g7CMTtT48282 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 15:29:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <07f601c2424f$018c0b80$44f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <001001c241a8$2d763d30$0401a8c0@OMNIBOOK> <004101c24219$3f2fad60$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> Subject: Rat them all out! Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 15:24:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > So before you RAT them out give them a courtesy call. Rat them all out. If you call the station and they are automated, no one is there at night anyway. Kevin From fanfare@globility.com Mon Aug 12 15:54:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Aug 2002 22:54:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 56007 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2002 22:54:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2002 22:54:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO columbus.globility.com) (205.189.152.11) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2002 22:54:27 -0000 Received: from FAN-2-PJS (dynamic-b2-213.highspeed.eol.ca [64.56.234.213]) by columbus.globility.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7CMsQK01751 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 18:54:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200208121854260060.0017D457@mail.globility.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 18:54:26 -0400 To: "Kevin Tekel" Subject: RE: {AMSF} WooHoo!! KEVA 1240 AM Stereo Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Marv Southcott" Reply-To: fanfare@globility.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Would I try to sh-t you, Michael ;)) All the best. Marv *** On 8/12/2002 at 3:49 PM Michael J. Richard wrote: I assume that would be the forthcoming Fanfare? :) Can't wait! MJR -----Original Message----- From: Marv Southcott [mailto:fanfare@globility.com] Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 10:02 AM To: Kevin Tekel Subject: Re: {AMSF} WooHoo!! KEVA 1240 AM Stereo Congratulations, Michael!! In a year from now, you'll have a lot more listening to your station than you ever dreamed. Marv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT I'm a WomanMan seeking a ManWoman Enter city or ZIP Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Aug 12 16:48:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Aug 2002 23:48:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 66957 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2002 23:48:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2002 23:48:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2002 23:48:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2002 23:48:33 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:48:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 950 KAHI - Stereo coming soon Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 516 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.25 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Correct spelling is not this person's best ability, but it is still very nice to hear more good news like this: > From: "jimsmith" > To: > Subject: kahi am 950 > Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 23:40:55 -0700 > > hi my name is jim smith. and i bot a am stereo exciter for KAHI > AM 950 AUBURN CA it was not conpleat it needed two cerket bords > and there enganeer has not see it yet. so one can only hope. i > will update you what happens. thank you your frend jim smith From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Aug 12 18:05:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Aug 2002 01:05:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 36972 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 01:05:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2002 01:05:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2002 01:05:01 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-108.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.108]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g7D11NLA007313 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:01:25 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <005001a8f505$a9cf60e0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} alfredo information, Date: Thu, 17 Jan 1980 19:11:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude That's one weakness of the design- no way to get it right on freq. Of course if you're using those stock crystals, the thing may be too low in the first place and trimming won't bring it up. The one I got for 1250 is a few hundred Hz off, and makes for nasty heterodynes at night. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Cuff" > The trimpots are not for the frequency- From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Aug 12 18:08:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Aug 2002 01:08:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 23395 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 01:08:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2002 01:08:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2002 01:08:23 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-108.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.108]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g7D14kLA007962 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:04:47 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <006401a8f506$22bdef80$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <001401c24212$9f722e20$3301010a@keva> <000f01c2420e$384dbfb0$0d01a8c0@Chris1> Subject: Re: {AMSF} WooHoo!! KEVA 1240 AM Stereo Date: Thu, 17 Jan 1980 19:14:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Chances are you'll have to order it from an electronics supply house, but Cramolin R5 really kicks as a contact cleaner. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Cuff" > Michael- this is a common problem- get some tuner cleaner spray, and spray > all the switches- especially the "day-night" switches. > Unplug all the cards, and clean the contacts with a pencil eraser. From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Aug 12 18:17:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Aug 2002 01:17:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 75969 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 01:17:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2002 01:17:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2002 01:17:19 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-108.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.108]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g7D1DgLA009541 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:13:43 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <008201a8f507$6212e5e0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: HDTV Date: Thu, 17 Jan 1980 19:23:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Nope- there isn't enough space in the transmitter room for all of them to be full power, so they're all running a few thousand watts. You might want to check Scott Fybush's Northeast Radio Watch website. He has all kinds of news and stuff. Don't remember the url offhand. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "onemeridian" > Are they really running the same amount of power that they did > when they were on the Trade Center? Maybe the transmitter in ESB is > of a lower wattage than what they had in the Trade Center; their > signal isn't ANYWHERE near as strong as it was prior to 9/11/01. From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Aug 12 18:19:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Aug 2002 01:19:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 47448 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 01:19:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2002 01:19:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2002 01:19:35 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-108.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.108]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g7D1FwLA009862 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:16:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <008a01a8f507$b36d9e80$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} When does WOR IBOC? Date: Thu, 17 Jan 1980 19:25:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I doubt it will be soon. They're going through a forced move (TX site, I believe.) I suspect even if they do, they won't be making it too public. There was a short thread on this on the bnet tech list. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "wgliradio" > Does anyone know when WOR is going to be testing the IBOC horror? > It was supposed to be sometime this month. > From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Aug 12 18:31:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Aug 2002 01:31:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 59538 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 01:31:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2002 01:31:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2002 01:31:34 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn77.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.81]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 19:31:33 -0600 To: Subject: KVOC in Casper, WY Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 19:31:30 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <005001a8f505$a9cf60e0$d3a9fea9@me> From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey guys Remember a while back it seems like we had an engineer from Mt. Rushmore broadcasting contact us or one of us or something about KVOC 1230 in Casper? He wanted to know if it was worth going stereo and that they had a new transmitter that might be stereo or something?? I don't remember exactly? I was wondering if anyone knew the status. I'll have to check around for a web page or something for them. I'm too far from Casper to pick them up so I wouldn't know. Just curious MJR in WYO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Aug 12 18:35:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Aug 2002 01:35:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 25763 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 01:35:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2002 01:35:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2002 01:35:43 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-108.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.108]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g7D1W6LA012836 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:32:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00b201a8f509$f42cb6c0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <001001c241a8$2d763d30$0401a8c0@OMNIBOOK> Subject: Re: {AMSF} FCC Question Date: Thu, 17 Jan 1980 19:41:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I'll echo Chuck's suggestion for a courtesy call first. I once had one of my stations not drop from 3800 to 230W at night, and it was as simple as a busted wire on the back of the unit. Fortunately nobody turned me in even though it lasted a whole weekend. I was working at the site that Friday afternoon, and it probably broke when I was moving some wires around. Of course I fixed it the following Monday just after reviewing the weekend transmitter logs. If you get no satisfaction via that route, here's some other more underhanded ways of dealing with them. Try to get to the station to have a look at their Public File. If they don't have one, or it's incomplete, the FCC is really gung-ho on that, and maybe they'll find the transmitter problem while they're at it. Two other things the FCC uses its spiked shoes- EAS violations and tower lighting. Worse come to worse, there is one last dirty trick- it's just short of vandalism. That's to throw a heavy metal chain across the ball gaps on the tower. Make sure the chain has fully left your hands before it contacts the tower, or you'll get a nasty RF burn. That way it shorts out the tower and shuts down the transmitter, and no harm done (unless the SWR protection is on the fritz.) It's easily fixed by the station people, and if you do it a few times, maybe they'll get the hint. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Fornal" > Who would I contact at the FCC regarding a daytime-only AM station that > continues to broadcast at night? From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Aug 12 18:36:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Aug 2002 01:36:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 28357 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 01:36:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2002 01:36:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2002 01:36:17 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn77.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.81]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 19:36:16 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} KVOC in Casper, WY Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 19:36:12 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Found their web site and dropped them an email. Will let y'all know if I hear anything MJR -----Original Message----- From: Michael J. Richard [mailto:michaelj@vcn.com] Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 7:32 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} KVOC in Casper, WY Hey guys Remember a while back it seems like we had an engineer from Mt. Rushmore broadcasting contact us or one of us or something about KVOC 1230 in Casper? He wanted to know if it was worth going stereo and that they had a new transmitter that might be stereo or something?? I don't remember exactly? I was wondering if anyone knew the status. I'll have to check around for a web page or something for them. I'm too far from Casper to pick them up so I wouldn't know. Just curious MJR in WYO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Aug 12 18:41:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Aug 2002 01:41:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 95396 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 01:41:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2002 01:41:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2002 01:41:28 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-108.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.108]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g7D1bpLA014015 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:37:52 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00bc01a8f50a$c1ac70e0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 950 KAHI - Stereo coming soon Date: Thu, 17 Jan 1980 19:47:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Just like saying the Titanic took on a little water. God help us if this is all the better the government schools can do anymore. I only hope he's for real on that AMS exciter bit. That it's missing a couple boards might be an indication it came from a station that was daytime only, or had the same pattern/power day and night, not unlike the one that MJR installed at KEVA. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevtronics" > Correct spelling is not this person's best ability, but it is still > very nice to hear more good news like this: > > > hi my name is jim smith. and i bot a am stereo exciter for KAHI From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Aug 12 19:38:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Aug 2002 02:38:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 36693 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 02:38:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2002 02:38:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.116) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2002 02:38:00 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 19:38:00 -0700 Received: from 209.240.222.130 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:37:59 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 950 KAHI - Stereo coming soon Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:37:59 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2002 02:38:00.0600 (UTC) FILETIME=[70CD4180:01C24272] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.222.130] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 >God help us if this is all the better the government schools can do anymore.  I only hope he's for real on that AMS exciter bit.  That it's...... It would even be scarier, if this was a result of home schooling! God help us, regardless of whether he was home schooled by Larry,Daryl and Daryl,attended a private school or public school, the spelling was incredible. donn St Petersburg,FL _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Aug 12 20:18:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Aug 2002 03:18:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 1904 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 03:18:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2002 03:18:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2002 03:18:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2002 03:18:13 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 03:18:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: HD Radio Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1384 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.25 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I am not making this up... the technology we all know and love as "IBOC DAB" has gone through yet ANOTHER name change. iBiquity, the result of the combined IBOC DAB efforts of USA Digital Radio and Lucent, first changed the name to "iDAB". But apparently due to the influence of similarly named "XM Radio", they have now changed the name again, this time to "HD Radio", which is apparently what IBOC DAB will be called if/when it gets FCC approval and receivers start being made for it. iBiquity also claims that Visteon -- maker of AM Stereo equipped car radios for Ford Motor Co. -- will be one of the companies making receivers for "HD Radio", but not until 2004. Assuming quick FCC approval, other "HD Radio" receivers supposedly will be on store shelves by spring 2003 -- more than a DECADE after what initial predictions claimed! Anyway, don't ask me what the "HD" stands for. Computer people will be disappointed because there's no Hard Drive involved, nor does it make use of a High Density floppy disk. Meanwhile, video people will be disappointed because the sound is far from what can be called High Definition. And mechanically and electrically inclined people will be disappointed because just like all consumer electronics made these days, the cheap plastic casing and inferior electrical components will fail the test to be called Heavy Duty. From KC4QLP@aol.com Mon Aug 12 20:21:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Aug 2002 03:21:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 86429 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 03:21:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2002 03:21:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.34) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2002 03:21:58 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id r.b4.ff58f1c (3972) for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:21:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:21:54 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} FCC Question To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 8/12/02 9:37:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, stodd@sherbtel.net writes: << I'll echo Chuck's suggestion for a courtesy call first. I once had one of my stations not drop from 3800 to 230W at night, and it was as simple as a busted wire on the back of the unit. Fortunately nobody turned me in even though it lasted a whole weekend. I was working at the site that Friday afternoon, and it probably broke when I was moving some wires around. Of course I fixed it the following Monday just after reviewing the weekend transmitter logs. >> There is nothing wrong with a courtesy call until it become a repeated offence. Once or twice is ok....we all realize remote controls break,but when the offending daytimer,or station that operates extremely low power at night repeatly operates with daytime facilities...thats right out breaking the law. Its my opinion that if you are operating a radio station,you should be sure that your station is operating as it should. to many people are turning there heads on this as if it were not happening.Gee,I wonder what would happen if the state highway patrol were to turn their heads on speeders and drunk drivers!...major disaster would be in the making. If you have a daytimer throwing a dead carrier knocking out the stations that are suppose to be operating at night,what happens in the case when emergency information needs to be broadcast to a community,but cant hear the important info because of some lazy @$$ station op/owner doesnt care if they are doing what they are licensed for.These people need their license revoked after a certain number of repeated offences.a station is licensed to serve the public...not the sole interest of the company or person that owns the station. Now I have made courtesy calls to WFIL in Philly when they did not change patterns..and blew me out of the water..I've made courtesy calls to WVOC in SC when their array went nutso.Everything was fixed..no problem.... I and WVOC have made courtesy calls to WMIK in Ky about operating at 2500 watts night-time instead of their 88 watts........the free ride for them is over.They have had a year and a half to get their pile of junk together and fixed. If they cant get it right..then its time for them to shut it off.The rest of us are trying to do what is right....but when you get a few mountain readneck hillbillies that do not give a damn,then thats putting others in jeopardy should the real need come for our local listeners to get information. Thats the bottom line. 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The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From matthew.trim@eds.com Mon Aug 12 20:38:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Aug 2002 03:38:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 13891 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 03:38:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2002 03:38:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns5.eds.com) (203.17.185.230) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2002 03:38:16 -0000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com (nnsy-3.eds.com [192.168.1.1]) by ns5.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g7D3cE828867 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:38:14 +1000 (EST) Received: from nnsy.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7D3cBg03995 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:38:12 +1000 (EST) Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7D3cAX03972 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:38:10 +1000 (EST) Received: by AUSYM000 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:37:41 +1000 Message-ID: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542809CAF270@AUSYM200> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} 950 KAHI - Stereo coming soon Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:37:57 +1000 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Switch 1197 is finally on the air in Brisbane, Australia! (www.switch1197.com) They seem to be only TX'ing at 1000 watts on a Harris MW-1A (photos at http://www.switch1197.com/high/photo_trans_wb.htm ) I tried to give them some tips to improve things - hopefully my tech advise is not completely wrong.. :) (message below posted to aus.radio.broadcast) ------------ G'day, Here's some airchecks of Switch 1197 this evening. These show the wide bandwidth sound they are currently TX'ing, even if it is very soft as other people have pointed out. Recordings were made approximately 20km from the TX site using the Sony ST-JX230A AM Stereo receiver and Sony SRF-A1 AM Stereo Walkman. The ST-JX230A could not detect any AM Stereo Pilot tone which would indicate there probably isn't one. I double checked with a Pioneer KE-433AM Car stereo but still none detected. Having said that, the SRF-A1 runs in forced-stereo mode, which to my surprise I found that Switch is running their AMS Exciter but have the pilot off (which may be due to left channel problems as described below). Listening to the recordings, I noticed that the signal is very weak, in fact the SRF-A1 needed to be on maximum volume in order to record a decent audio level on my minidisc. There is a problem with the left audio channel - only filled with static on my original recording (some bleed through is evident in the MP3's due to the encoding process). I suspect that the wiring leading to the AM Stereo exciter needs to be checked - perhaps the left channel has a bad connection. Alternatively the level may need to be adjusted. This is assuming a stereo STL/link is present back to the studio from the TX site. The softness problem may be the source audio (doubtful because this would surely have been checked already) or more likely the modulation level is too low on the exciter. An AM Stereo modulation monitor is an ideal tool to check these levels. The AM Stereo exciter itself has adjustments to ensure that the audio levels are matched and are high enough to drive the main transmitter. Finally, a good Audio Compressor is required to increase the average modulation and loudness of the station. Check out http://www.omniaaudio.com/?/products/omnia3/default.htm (Omnia-3am) Anyway, enough talk - here are the Airchecks! www.amstereoradio.com/bofh/switch1-test-id1-SRF-A1-stereo[forced].mp3 www.amstereoradio.com/bofh/switch2-george-SRF-A1-stereo[forced].mp3 www.amstereoradio.com/bofh/switch3-beatofdrum-id-SRF-A1-stereo[forced].mp3 www.amstereoradio.com/bofh/switch4-advert-SRF-A1-stereo[forced].mp3 www.amstereoradio.com/bofh/switch5-drevil-SRF-A1-stereo[forced].mp3 www.amstereoradio.com/bofh/switch6-rate-id-SRF-A1-stereo[forced].mp3 www.amstereoradio.com/bofh/switch7-SRF-A1-stereo[forced].mp3 www.amstereoradio.com/bofh/switch8-text-tx-reception-id-ST-JX230A-mono[nopil ot].mp3 www.amstereoradio.com/bofh/switch9-promo-ST-JX230A-mono[nopilot].mp3 www.amstereoradio.com/bofh/switch10-ST-JX230A-mono[nopilot].mp3 From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Aug 12 21:34:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Aug 2002 04:34:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 45077 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 04:34:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2002 04:34:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14208.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2002 04:34:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20020813043458.20181.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.190] by web14208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 21:34:58 PDT Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 21:34:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WooHoo!! KEVA 1240 AM Stereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Sounds just like the rodeo cowboy pictured on the Wyoming license plate: "WooHoo"! I echo the setiments - congrats on KEVA being AM stereo! Please add KEVA to the AM Stereo listing. We ought to keep the AM Stereo list up to date so Marv can include a copy with every Fanfare AMS rig that ships! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Aug 12 21:37:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Aug 2002 04:37:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 21280 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 04:37:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2002 04:37:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2002 04:37:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2002 04:37:02 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 04:36:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Switch 1197 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542809CAF270@AUSYM200> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1272 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.75.19 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics It sounds like "Switch" has one of the two audio channels coming into their Stereo exciter disconnected. With the pilot tone off, they may think they're broadcasting in "mono", but they're not -- what they probably don't realise is that unlike *FM* Stereo, AM Stereo will work just fine without a pilot tone -- most radios won't be able to hear the Stereo due to the lack of a pilot tone, but that doesn't mean that it isn't being transmitted. In the future, it would also be kinder to our ears if you could use a program like Cool Edit to filter out the 9 kHz heterodyne whistle from the recordings made on your SRF-A1, as the whistle can get quite strong on weaker signals, especially at night. Better yet, there are a few circuit designs floating around for an audio notch filter, which perhaps with the help of somebody like Chris Cuff, could be made small enough to fit right inside the case of the SRF-A1, so right from its headphone jack the AM audio would have the heterodyne whistle filtered out for clean hi-fi listening. The home model Sony AM Stereo tuners are very thoughtful in this regard, as they include a built-in whistle filter that switches between 9 and 10 kHz as appropriate depending on what channel spacing you have selected. From matthew.trim@eds.com Mon Aug 12 22:03:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Aug 2002 05:03:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 98191 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 05:03:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2002 05:03:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns5.eds.com) (203.17.185.230) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2002 05:03:53 -0000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com (nnsy-3.eds.com [192.168.1.1]) by ns5.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g7D53q820346 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:03:52 +1000 (EST) Received: from nnsy.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7D53og05842 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:03:50 +1000 (EST) Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7D53nX05828 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:03:49 +1000 (EST) Received: by AUSYM000 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:03:20 +1000 Message-ID: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542809CAF271@AUSYM200> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Switch 1197 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:03:34 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Thanks for the tip about using Cool Edit to filter the 9 khz - I'll give it a go! I'll pass on the info about the disconnected left channel - I figured as much when I listened to it. I guess at least it proves they do have an AMS exciter in the chain, correct? :) -----Original Message----- From: kevtronics [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com] It sounds like "Switch" has one of the two audio channels coming into their Stereo exciter disconnected. With the pilot tone off, they may think they're broadcasting in "mono", but they're not -- what they probably don't realise is that unlike *FM* Stereo, AM Stereo will work just fine without a pilot tone -- most radios won't be able to hear the Stereo due to the lack of a pilot tone, but that doesn't mean that it isn't being transmitted. In the future, it would also be kinder to our ears if you could use a program like Cool Edit to filter out the 9 kHz heterodyne whistle from the recordings made on your SRF-A1, as the whistle can get quite strong on weaker signals, especially at night. Better yet, there are a few circuit designs floating around for an audio notch filter, which perhaps with the help of somebody like Chris Cuff, could be made small enough to fit right inside the case of the SRF-A1, so right from its headphone jack the AM audio would have the heterodyne whistle filtered out for clean hi-fi listening. The home model Sony AM Stereo tuners are very thoughtful in this regard, as they include a built-in whistle filter that switches between 9 and 10 kHz as appropriate depending on what channel spacing you have selected. From groucho@skyweb.net Mon Aug 12 22:51:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Aug 2002 05:51:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 72351 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 05:51:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2002 05:51:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2002 05:51:54 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g7D5vvQ6063176 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 01:57:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D589DA0.4F71AAAB@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 01:48:16 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hey Neal! I was in NJ yesterday! References: From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit should have given me a call.. I was at the transmitter site all day today Monday... One hell of a day... I woke up hearing this very high pitch whistle on the Audio. I went right to the Site on my way over there I heard what sounds Like the Audio cutting in and out. like someone splicing wires...when I got there I found no matter what I did It just Got louder.. I called my friend over at WPHT and we both came to the conclusion that my Optimod 9100b went into oscillation and Probably needs to be recapped.. I just could not believe it would happen just like that. On both Channels So I kept tinkering.. and remembered I had my laptop with me Full of Hindu music and the Automation software.. I disconnected the Broadcast line and plugged in the laptop Guess what No more whistle....Hummm So it must be on the broadcast line.. I called verizion and inquired about the status of my second line.. they said they made some progress this morning...then I told them about my high freq. whistle on my existing line.. there was silence... and they put me on Hold.. then asked me What existing line? apparently.. they were working On the wrong circuit.. and Screwed up the EQ on my broadcast Line that's why I was hearing the Whistle.. the 6.3k and 10k and 15k Freq. in their line amps went into Oscillation and that's what I was hearing.. Ill Bet allot of people noticed the volume levels going up and down all day while I was trying to Figure it out.. Dam phone company screwed it all up.. anyway. this started at around 8 am this Morning.. they Finally Fixed it by 5pm.. made 4 trips between the transmitter and the studios today 30 Miles each way. just got home at 1 am... after finally resetting all my Levels. at the studio then at the transmitter.. I should charge the Verizon for the day.. Oh the life of an underpaid Engineer... I may take a trip down to WPHT tomorrow I will know after 9:30am... took in the mail Now going to sit and read my New Radio world and see what the NAB is screwing up next... Neal onemeridian wrote: > Neal, > > I was on the NJ Turnpike & I-195 yesterday when I tuned in WTTM > 1680. We were in a 2001 Suburu Forrester with the standard AM/FM > cassette (no AM stereo), & 1680 was coming in with STRONG signal! It > comes in great here at my house & my car in Lansdale (Northwest of > Philly)! > > > Tony > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT [Image] > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Mon Aug 12 23:07:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Aug 2002 06:07:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 46166 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 06:07:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2002 06:07:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2002 06:07:35 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g7D6DcQ6065066 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:13:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D58A14C.840FD81@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:03:56 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: HDTV References: From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hummmm that's interesting because last I knew both WCBS 101.1fm and CBS-2 are transmitting from the top Viacom Building... there is a Brand new BATWING that was installed for the TV.. and the 3 bay For the FM was always up there as the backup site... Unless they Finally moved over to the ESB. and Left the Viacom location as the backup location? and that 1000+ ft tower which is the Largest tower in New jersey is not far from My location. I was there a while back watching them put up a temporary antenna then remove the old Slot antenna and put Up a New Slot antenna that can handle both the Analog and HDTV signal.... I could Not Believe how small the HDTV transmitter was.. and its water cooled..I forgot but I think I was told its Only a 5 kW transmitter. talk about a Project watching those guys work up there to remove that monster and then replace it. That's what I call rigging.... as far as FM stations I think its just. 3 of them NJ 101.5 Princeton university103.3? and a backup for I think Mercer community's classical station on 88.1... Its been a while... what was really cool was the combiner for the HDTV and analog transmitters gee Kevin maybe we could put WCNJ up there? I don't think anyone would notice LOL..... Neal kevtronics wrote: > > I can still get WCBS Channel 2, but not nearly as strong as before > > 9/11/01. I cannot get ANY indication from the others; I live 100 > > miles SW of N.Y.C. > > WCBS-2 and a few UHF stations like UniVision-41 are the only NYC TV > stations using full power since 9/11. WCBS-2 was the only VHF > station that kept their original setup on the Empire State Building > as a backup after all the VHF stations moved to the WTC. Rumour has > it WCBS-2 only kept their ESB transmitter because somebody forgot to > cancel the lease, but it sure came in handy both during the 1993 WTC > bombing and now during and after 9/11. > > All the other VHF stations (WNBC-4, WNYW-5, WABC-7, WWOR-9, WPIX-11, > and WNET-13) have since jury-rigged transmitters on the ESB but they > are not even close to full power level. I think WNET-13 may even > still be transmitting from the Armstrong tower in Alpine, NJ but I'm > not sure. FM station 103.5 WKTU, formerly on the WTC, is now > transmitting from Clear Channel's back-up site on 4 Times Square. > > Needless to say, having nearly all of NYC's TV and FM stations > situated on the top of a single building is quite a mess, and is an > engineering headache just to keep everything on the air. A new > master TV antenna for NYC is a must, regardless if it is a stand- > alone tower or is at the top of whatever building(s) will be built at > the WTC site. > > Here in NJ we have a tower that is about 1000 feet tall and is home > to several TV and FM stations, and is quite a sight, but I don't know > if such a thing would blend in harmoniously with the NYC skyline > unless it is given a more artistic style. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT [Image] > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Aug 12 23:18:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Aug 2002 06:18:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 72536 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 06:18:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2002 06:18:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2002 06:18:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2002 06:18:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 06:18:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Switch 1197 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542809CAF271@AUSYM200> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2372 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.75.19 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Thanks for the tip about using Cool Edit to filter the 9 khz - I'll > give it a go! Cool Edit's FFT audio filter is very powerful, but also a bit complex to use. It offers two modes: Passive, and Logarithmic. Passive works on a percentage basis, and is best for creating notch, low- pass, and high-pass filters because if you choose 0% for a certain range of frequencies, that means the audio is *completely* filtered out. Logarithmic is better for generating an EQ curve, such as a bass boost, a treble boost, or a mid-range cut, since it works on a dB (decibel) basis, just like the "graphical equalizer" controls on a stereo system. In this case, you want to create a Passive filter that has flat response (a flat line at 100%) from 0 Hz until just before 9 kHz, say at 8.7 kHz, and then instantly drops to 0% (complete filtering) until just after 9 kHz, say at 9.3 kHz, to kill the whistle. Above the 9.3 kHz or so, it is your choice whether you want to step it back up to 100% (full response) or keep it at 0% (complete filtering), depending if the source audio has any "useable" audio response above 9 kHz or not. Here is what this kind of 9 kHz whistle notch filter would look like on an older version of Cool Edit: http://rvcc2.raritanval.edu/ktek9053/ce-old.gif And here's what it would look like on Cool Edit 2000: http://rvcc2.raritanval.edu/ktek9053/ce2000.gif Of course, the same type of filter can be created to squelch a 10 kHz whistle for American listeners, or even to get rid of the 5 kHz whine from Shortwave reception. A neat trick for Cool Edit 2000 is to get a "live" frequency response graph from your audio as it is playing... make sure "Show levels on Play and Record" is checked on the Options menu, then start the file playing, and then hit Alt-Z... bingo! An instant frequency response graph of whatever audio file you're playing -- which is great for discovering the large number of songs that come right from the recording studio and end up on professionally created CD tracks with a 15.7 kHz pilot tone in them.... this is the same frequency as the pilot tone for MTS TV Stereo, but I have no clue why this is showing up in so many songs -- you may not hear it, but "If You're Gone" by Matchbox Twenty is an example of a recent hit song that was recorded with a 15.7 kHz pilot tone in its audio. From groucho@skyweb.net Mon Aug 12 23:18:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Aug 2002 06:18:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 70723 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 06:18:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2002 06:18:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2002 06:18:39 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g7D6OgQ6066243 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:24:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D58A3E5.3B0FDDC8@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:15:01 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WooHoo!! KEVA 1240 AM Stereo References: <87.1fb26949.2a8971ea@aol.com> From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Bob If you may remember I made a complaint in here about WTIR now powering Down.. and someone replied that they are powering down Because they cannot hear them at night... well I had a friend Down there do some Field strength meter readings.. Hummm I wonder what it means when the Meter reads the same or close to the same thing when he started taking readings in 2 hour intervals from 4pm till 1 am. Neal KC4QLP@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/12/02 10:08:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > michaelj@vcn.com writes: > > << Gentlemen... > It's official. At about 7:30 last night, I turned the transmitter > back on > with all modifications and KEVA is now broadcasting in full clean AM > STEREO!! >> > Congrats Michael!...job well done! I'm with Chris on the audio board > switch > problem. Just shoot'em up with a cleaner and work the switches some to > knock > off some dust or corrosion thats built up over the years. > Unfortunately I'll never hear KEVA here as my city has another AM on > 1240 > {mono by the way broadcasting "music of your death"...eer life I mean, > 24hrs > a day}When I null out the station I regularly hear a station in the > piedmont > area of Va in amongst the graveyard rumble. > > Now if I could only get WMIK 560 AM in Ky to start operating with > their night > facilities of 88 watts instead of day facilities of 2500 watts at > night...I > and the other 560 ops will be happy campers......The time has come to > buzz > the FCC...AGAIN! > > Bob Carter > Operations/Engineering > > WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 > Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio > > Network > > Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with > engineering > services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. > e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com > http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice > Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC > WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC > WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC > > AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- > amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com > > amstereo-subcribe@topica.com > amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > > KC4QLP Amateur Radio > Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va > www.kc4qlp.cjb.net > > voice contact-252-335-0856 > fax 1-209-254-8978 > _______________________________________________________ > > WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Aug 13 00:50:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Aug 2002 07:50:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 47273 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 07:50:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2002 07:50:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2002 07:50:10 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.34]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 03:48:11 -0400 Message-ID: <005401c2429e$0f62e2c0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <005001a8f505$a9cf60e0$d3a9fea9@me> Subject: Re: {AMSF} alfredo information, Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 03:50:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Yes you CAN adjust the frequency. The cap that is in series with the crystal can be easily replaced with a 5 to 30 pf trimmer cap. I left these out on purpose as after assembling so many, it was found un-needed in "most" cases. It also added cost to a product that is already being made at a non profit basis. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: Sent: Thursday, January 17, 1980 9:11 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} alfredo information, > That's one weakness of the design- no way to get it right on freq. From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Aug 13 00:52:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Aug 2002 07:52:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 62290 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 07:52:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2002 07:52:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2002 07:52:45 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.34]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 03:50:47 -0400 Message-ID: <006001c2429e$6c53ea60$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <00bc01a8f50a$c1ac70e0$d3a9fea9@me> Subject: Re: {AMSF} 950 KAHI - Stereo coming soon Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 03:52:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I think the one he bought was that off-brand one that was on ebay a while back, that we all thought was mising a few cards. I forget what it was exactly. cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd From philipr@irac.pe.ca Tue Aug 13 05:22:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Aug 2002 12:22:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 76603 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 12:22:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2002 12:22:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2002 12:22:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2002 12:21:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:21:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: HD Radio - I KNOW what it stands for - Top 10 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1084 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > I am not making this up... the technology we all know and love as > "IBOC DAB" has gone through yet ANOTHER name change. iBiquity, the > result of the combined IBOC DAB efforts of USA Digital Radio and > Lucent, first changed the name to "iDAB". But apparently due to the > influence of similarly named "XM Radio", they have now changed the > name again, this time to "HD Radio", which is apparently what IBOC > DAB will be called if/when it gets FCC approval and receivers start > being made for it. .... > Anyway, don't ask me what the "HD" stands for. HD Radio 1. Hang Dog Radio 2. Hot Dog Radio 3. Horrible Dreadful Radio 4. Hazy Dull Radio 5. Hiccup Digital Radio 6. Hardly Do-able Radio 7. Heading Down Radio 8. Half Done Radio 9. Hobo Donkey Radio [sorry, I was trying to be creative ;) ] 10. Half-*ssed Do-nothing Radio HD Radio - providing YOU the listener with mediocre synthesized sound. Phil P.S. Why not add to this list and create our own Top 30, Top 40, or how about the HOT 100? From philipr@irac.pe.ca Tue Aug 13 05:36:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Aug 2002 12:36:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 93020 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 12:36:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2002 12:36:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2002 12:36:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2002 12:36:42 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:36:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Alfredo Lite Questions Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 792 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Last night I was experimenting with my Alfredo Lite. Reviewing the schematic that Chris thoughtfully provided with the transmitter, I noticed a trim pot close to the RF output transistors. It would appear from the schematic that this trim pot adjusts the RF output to some degree. Being curious, I adjusted it, and it appeared to do just that. Is this in fact an RF output control? Are there any downsides [increased harmonics, spurs etc.] from jacking this up? I am just using a modest antenna and the signal really doesn't even leave my 1/3 acre lot. Another question - the AL comes with battery holders for 6 AA batteries - e.g. 9 volts. Will it handle a little more voltage OK, say 12 volts? Or should I keep it at 9 volts? Thanks for any info / ideas on this! Phil From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Aug 13 06:09:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Aug 2002 13:09:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 45095 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 13:09:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2002 13:09:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14201.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.143) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2002 13:09:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20020813130916.66105.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 06:09:16 PDT Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 06:09:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 1210 Philly in STEREO! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio 1210 was in stereo last night, so thank you whoever 'kept the light on' for us! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Aug 13 06:33:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Aug 2002 13:32:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 76431 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 13:32:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2002 13:32:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14205.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.151) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2002 13:32:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20020813133259.67229.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 06:32:59 PDT Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 06:32:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdf&id_document=6513285201 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Comedy for the day: it looks like the Don Shelhart boys struck a nerve with the folks at iBiquity, in fact, iBiquity asks the FCC to 'skip the rules' and just go ahead and approve IBOC (dirty pool, but it must work)...here's the scoop (paste the whole long thing to get there, or search the FCC electronic comment system on 99-325): http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdf&id_document=6513285201 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From mychucky@funport.net Tue Aug 13 06:36:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mychucky@funport.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Aug 2002 13:36:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 70573 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 13:36:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2002 13:36:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.funport.com) (216.199.19.6) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2002 13:36:16 -0000 Received: from FatMusic2000 ([]) by mail.funport.com (Merak 5.0.2) with SMTP id JFB36580 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:34:52 -0400 Message-ID: <00c201c242ce$e4ce80b0$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> To: References: <001001c241a8$2d763d30$0401a8c0@OMNIBOOK> <004101c24219$3f2fad60$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> <07f601c2424f$018c0b80$44f9bed8@kredding430cdt> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Rat them all out! Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:39:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85836819 X-Yahoo-Profile: mychucky1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin, you are an overflowing cup of the milk of Human Kindness. Dhhhhuuhhh I meant during the day. Of course there is no one there at night or they would be aware of their foolish mistake!~ That's the whole point they are on automation......and no one is paying attention....cause they are supposed to be off the air......my suggestion was a 9 to 5 kind of a call. We should not burn bridges A call could make you (Someone on this list that lives close) a hero and down the road they may call you for assistance and pay you too.........Totally new concept. This sounds like a JOB begging for attention. Chucky ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin - Mesa, Arizona To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 6:24 PM Subject: {AMSF} Rat them all out! > So before you RAT them out give them a courtesy call. Rat them all out. If you call the station and they are automated, no one is there at night anyway. Kevin Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mychucky@funport.net Tue Aug 13 06:42:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mychucky@funport.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Aug 2002 13:42:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 78015 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 13:42:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2002 13:42:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.funport.com) (216.199.19.6) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2002 13:42:35 -0000 Received: from FatMusic2000 ([]) by mail.funport.com (Merak 5.0.2) with SMTP id JFB36580 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:41:12 -0400 Message-ID: <00c901c242cf$c6fdcae0$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> To: References: <005001a8f505$a9cf60e0$d3a9fea9@me> Subject: Re: {AMSF} alfredo information, Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:46:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85836819 X-Yahoo-Profile: mychucky1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A trim Cap across the Crystal will let you lower a crystal to the desired frequency if it is lower. A trim Cap in series with the Crystal will let you raise it (slightly) until the coupling falls below the critical point for oscillation. It would be best to Parallel the Crystal All this only works to a few hundred cycles ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 17, 1980 9:11 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} alfredo information, That's one weakness of the design- no way to get it right on freq. Of course if you're using those stock crystals, the thing may be too low in the first place and trimming won't bring it up. The one I got for 1250 is a few hundred Hz off, and makes for nasty heterodynes at night. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Cuff" > The trimpots are not for the frequency- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Tue Aug 13 06:51:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Aug 2002 13:51:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 30475 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 13:51:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2002 13:51:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.32.181.11) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2002 13:51:19 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 06:51:19 -0700 Received: from 208.228.96.20 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:51:19 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite Questions Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:51:19 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2002 13:51:19.0665 (UTC) FILETIME=[80855E10:01C242D0] From: "Chris Cuff" X-Originating-IP: [208.228.96.20] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059 Yes, that pot is for RF output, but I generally adjust them for best sound with no distortion. Now- DO NOT use anything but 9 volts! These are designed at max safe parameters. CC >From: "tubesareking" > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From mychucky@funport.net Tue Aug 13 07:34:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mychucky@funport.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Aug 2002 14:34:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 77380 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 14:34:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2002 14:34:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.funport.com) (216.199.19.6) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2002 14:34:10 -0000 Received: from FatMusic2000 ([]) by mail.funport.com (Merak 5.0.2) with SMTP id JFB36580 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:32:46 -0400 Message-ID: <00e001c242d6$fb0b94f0$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} FCC Question Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:37:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85836819 X-Yahoo-Profile: mychucky1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Geeeezzzzz enough ranting and raving.........Has anyone called them yet. I will be happy to and report back to the group. Is this a repeat offence.....I dont' know I just joined this group a few months ago and have not memorized all the players , much less the stations.......As a matter of fact I will have to go back and check the emails on this subject to even know where the station we are lampooning is or what the Call letters are. If someone will get me a Telephone # before I find it I will call them. All that is said below is relevant YES but vociferous protestations before the call is made is rather of a waist of time........ Regards Chucky www.stereoam.com ----- Original Message ----- From: KC4QLP@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 11:21 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} FCC Question In a message dated 8/12/02 9:37:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, stodd@sherbtel.net writes: << I'll echo Chuck's suggestion for a courtesy call first. I once had one of my stations not drop from 3800 to 230W at night, and it was as simple as a busted wire on the back of the unit. Fortunately nobody turned me in even though it lasted a whole weekend. I was working at the site that Friday afternoon, and it probably broke when I was moving some wires around. Of course I fixed it the following Monday just after reviewing the weekend transmitter logs. >> There is nothing wrong with a courtesy call until it become a repeated offence. Once or twice is ok....we all realize remote controls break,but when the offending daytimer,or station that operates extremely low power at night repeatly operates with daytime facilities...thats right out breaking the law. Its my opinion that if you are operating a radio station,you should be sure that your station is operating as it should. to many people are turning there heads on this as if it were not happening.Gee,I wonder what would happen if the state highway patrol were to turn their heads on speeders and drunk drivers!...major disaster would be in the making. If you have a daytimer throwing a dead carrier knocking out the stations that are suppose to be operating at night,what happens in the case when emergency information needs to be broadcast to a community,but cant hear the important info because of some lazy @$$ station op/owner doesnt care if they are doing what they are licensed for.These people need their license revoked after a certain number of repeated offences.a station is licensed to serve the public...not the sole interest of the company or person that owns the station. Now I have made courtesy calls to WFIL in Philly when they did not change patterns..and blew me out of the water..I've made courtesy calls to WVOC in SC when their array went nutso.Everything was fixed..no problem.... I and WVOC have made courtesy calls to WMIK in Ky about operating at 2500 watts night-time instead of their 88 watts........the free ride for them is over.They have had a year and a half to get their pile of junk together and fixed. If they cant get it right..then its time for them to shut it off.The rest of us are trying to do what is right....but when you get a few mountain readneck hillbillies that do not give a damn,then thats putting others in jeopardy should the real need come for our local listeners to get information. Thats the bottom line. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mychucky@funport.net Tue Aug 13 07:51:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mychucky@funport.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Aug 2002 14:51:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 2931 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 14:51:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2002 14:51:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.funport.com) (216.199.19.6) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2002 14:51:29 -0000 Received: from FatMusic2000 ([]) by mail.funport.com (Merak 5.0.2) with SMTP id JFB36580; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:50:06 -0400 Message-ID: <016c01c242d9$6703bd70$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> To: Cc: Subject: Fw: {AMSF} FCC Question Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:54:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85836819 X-Yahoo-Profile: mychucky1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Joan, I tried the number you gave me for Wayne Gignats and got voice mail. So I am forwarding this complaint to you and will check the website for Wayne www.showworks.com for other contact numbers I left my number with Showworks voice mail. WPMZ's phone number is 1-401-726-8413 ----- Original Message ----- From: mychucky@funport.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 11:59 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} FCC Question Hello Everyone, Why not give them a call first. Most of the time these days stations are operating on a remote control unit that turns the transmitter off. These remotes are clock driven and can lower power raise power and even turn on outside lights or a toaster. all while monitoring the Plate current Plate voltage and Antenna current. If the remote is defective the transmitter will stay on . These remotes are programmed to alert someone if operation perimeters are out of tolerance. Once again if the remote is broken it won't call. The fact that they are broadcasting dead air tells me that they did not expect to have the transmitter on therefore did not provide program material. So before you RAT them out give them a courtesy call. Regards Chuck www.stereoam.com WXGV WYGV Jacksonville Florida ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Fornal To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 10:30 PM Subject: {AMSF} FCC Question Who would I contact at the FCC regarding a daytime-only AM station that continues to broadcast at night? The station in question is WPMZ 1110 in East Providence, RI. They seem to keep leaving their transmitter on at night broadcasting 5,000 watts of dead air. This station has had run-ins with the FCC regarding unauthorized nighttime operation in the past but I don't understand why they would just leave their transmitter on broadcasting NOTHING? All this ends up doing is ruining any chance to pick up distant stations near that frequency at night. Even mighty WBZ 1030 suffers interference if I am anywhere near the WPMZ tower at night. I understand that WBT 1110 Charlotte brought the complaint about WPMZ's unauthorized 250 watt operation in the past. Should I contact WBT? Could this illegal nighttime operation interfere with other AM stations nearby? WSKO 790 is located about a half mile from WPMZ and WRIB 1220 is about a mile away. Keith Fornal Treasurer Dutch Island Lighthouse Society www.dutchislandlighthouse.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor I'm a Man Woman seeking a Woman Man Enter city or ZIP Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mychucky@funport.net Tue Aug 13 08:09:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mychucky@funport.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Aug 2002 15:09:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 98544 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 15:09:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2002 15:09:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.funport.com) (216.199.19.6) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2002 15:09:21 -0000 Received: from FatMusic2000 ([]) by mail.funport.com (Merak 5.0.2) with SMTP id JFB36580 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:07:58 -0400 Message-ID: <018201c242db$e5e1b280$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> To: References: <87.1fb26949.2a8971ea@aol.com> <3D58A3E5.3B0FDDC8@skyweb.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} WooHoo!! KEVA 1240 AM Stereo Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:12:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85836819 X-Yahoo-Profile: mychucky1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Any Field Strength readings 2 hours before Sundown or after Sunup are not accepted by the FCC because of the Skip. You would have to watch it at the very moment that the station is supposed to power down to even get a clue. Every two hours wont work. During the day a 1 mv signal is 1 mv on the meter. At night there are 30 stations contributing a signal and it ALL ADDS UP to the reading on the Field Strength meter. I have done hundreds of radials and stared at the Potomac Instruments meter until my eyes watered. Later guys. ----- Original Message ----- From: Neal Newman To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 2:15 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} WooHoo!! KEVA 1240 AM Stereo Hi Bob If you may remember I made a complaint in here about WTIR now powering Down.. and someone replied that they are powering down Because they cannot hear them at night... well I had a friend Down there do some Field strength meter readings.. Hummm I wonder what it means when the Meter reads the same or close to the same thing when he started taking readings in 2 hour intervals from 4pm till 1 am. Neal KC4QLP@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/12/02 10:08:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > michaelj@vcn.com writes: > > << Gentlemen... > It's official. At about 7:30 last night, I turned the transmitter > back on > with all modifications and KEVA is now broadcasting in full clean AM > STEREO!! >> > Congrats Michael!...job well done! I'm with Chris on the audio board > switch > problem. Just shoot'em up with a cleaner and work the switches some to > knock > off some dust or corrosion thats built up over the years. > Unfortunately I'll never hear KEVA here as my city has another AM on > 1240 > {mono by the way broadcasting "music of your death"...eer life I mean, > 24hrs > a day}When I null out the station I regularly hear a station in the > piedmont > area of Va in amongst the graveyard rumble. > > Now if I could only get WMIK 560 AM in Ky to start operating with > their night > facilities of 88 watts instead of day facilities of 2500 watts at > night...I > and the other 560 ops will be happy campers......The time has come to > buzz > the FCC...AGAIN! > > Bob Carter > Operations/Engineering > > WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 > Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio > > Network > > Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with > engineering > services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. > e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com > http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice > Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC > WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC > WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC > > AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- > amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com > > amstereo-subcribe@topica.com > amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > > KC4QLP Amateur Radio > Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va > www.kc4qlp.cjb.net > > voice contact-252-335-0856 > fax 1-209-254-8978 > _______________________________________________________ > > WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, > Chapter > 5, Subchapter II, > "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is > subject to a > download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance > of > these terms." > Your message (if actually mailed) is in violation of the Federal > Telephone > Consumer Protection Act of 1991, and Collateral Code of Federal > Regulations > (47 CFR 64.1200). The TCPA allows a private right of action against > the > sender of unsolicited advertising. The recipient can sue for $500, or > actualdamages (whichever is greater). > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------- > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT [Image] > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mychucky@funport.net Tue Aug 13 08:53:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mychucky@funport.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Aug 2002 15:53:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 94281 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 15:53:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2002 15:53:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.funport.com) (216.199.19.6) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2002 15:53:05 -0000 Received: from FatMusic2000 ([]) by mail.funport.com (Merak 5.0.2) with SMTP id JFB36580 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:51:42 -0400 Message-ID: <01b701c242e2$02290500$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> To: References: <87.1fb26949.2a8971ea@aol.com> <3D58A3E5.3B0FDDC8@skyweb.net> <018201c242db$e5e1b280$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> Subject: Re: {AMSF} WooHoo!! KEVA 1240 AM Stereo Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:56:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85836819 X-Yahoo-Profile: mychucky1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well I have done my good deed for the Day..month or possibly the entire year...I called that goofy station in Provedence and talked to Joan and sent her an email. As you guys can see from the previous post. Somebody let us/me know if they are still on tonight with Dead Air. They don't speak such good english and I suspect that they would not know a transmitter from a toaster but......Joan was friendly and the message may get to those that care or those that don't. If they don't my concence is clear to BURN them good. I am of a mind set that if you are bright enough to get the licence you should be bright enough to pay attention to us when we try to help. Later Chuck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From meridian3891@cs.com Tue Aug 13 09:53:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: meridian3891@cs.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Aug 2002 16:53:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 84363 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 16:53:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2002 16:53:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2002 16:53:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2002 16:53:06 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:53:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hey Neal! I was in NJ yesterday! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D589DA0.4F71AAAB@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3415 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "onemeridian" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.192.174 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=48487815 X-Yahoo-Profile: onemeridian --- In amstereoforum@y..., Neal Newman wrote: > should have given me a call.. I was at the transmitter site all day > today Monday... One hell of a day... > I woke up hearing this very high pitch whistle on the Audio. I went > right to the Site on my way over there I heard what sounds Like the > Audio cutting in and out. like someone splicing wires...when I got > there I found no matter what I did It just Got louder.. I called my > friend over at WPHT and we both came to the conclusion that my Optimod > 9100b went into oscillation and Probably needs to be recapped.. > I just could not believe it would happen just like that. On both > Channels > So I kept tinkering.. and remembered I had my laptop with me Full of > Hindu music and the Automation software.. I disconnected the Broadcast > line and plugged in the laptop Guess what No more whistle....Hummm > So it must be on the broadcast line.. > I called verizion and inquired about the status of my second line.. > they said they made some progress this morning...then I told them about > my high freq. whistle on my existing line.. there was silence... and > they put me on Hold.. then asked me What existing line? They will ask that, until it comes time for billing. Only then they will know!! apparently.. > they were working On the wrong circuit.. and Screwed up the EQ on my > broadcast Line that's why I was hearing the Whistle.. the 6.3k and 10k > and 15k Freq. in their line amps went into Oscillation and that's > what I was hearing.. Ill Bet allot of people noticed the volume levels > going up and down all day while I was trying to Figure it out.. Dam > phone company screwed it all up.. > anyway. this started at around 8 am this Morning.. they Finally Fixed it > by 5pm.. > made 4 trips between the transmitter and the studios today 30 Miles > each way. just got home at 1 am... after finally resetting all my > Levels. at the studio then at the transmitter.. I should charge the > Verizon for the day.. > Oh the life of an underpaid Engineer... I may take a trip down to WPHT > tomorrow > I will know after 9:30am... > took in the mail Now going to sit and read my New Radio world and see > what the NAB is screwing up next... > Neal > Verizon has pulled the same with my cousin. They sent somebody to his house, on a Sunday, no less! He was there for 2 hours. When my cousin called them the next day (their guy had loused up on his wiring), they claimed they knew nothing of it......This took 3 day for them to figure out that this was their own employee. Another fine example of deregulation gone bad! ;-( Tony > onemeridian wrote: > > > Neal, > > > > I was on the NJ Turnpike & I-195 yesterday when I tuned in WTTM > > 1680. We were in a 2001 Suburu Forrester with the standard AM/FM > > cassette (no AM stereo), & 1680 was coming in with STRONG signal! It > > comes in great here at my house & my car in Lansdale (Northwest of > > Philly)! > > > > > > Tony > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > [Image] > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mychucky@funport.net Tue Aug 13 09:57:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mychucky@funport.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Aug 2002 16:57:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 58071 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 16:57:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2002 16:57:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.funport.com) (216.199.19.6) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2002 16:57:53 -0000 Received: from FatMusic2000 ([]) by mail.funport.com (Merak 5.0.2) with SMTP id JFB36580 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:56:31 -0400 Message-ID: <01ce01c242eb$103742c0$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> To: Subject: Fw: Fw: {AMSF} FCC Question Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:01:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85836819 X-Yahoo-Profile: mychucky1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok here is the response I received Chuck www.steream.com ----- Original Message ----- From: WPMZ@aol.com To: mychucky@funport.net Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 12:43 PM Subject: Re: Fw: {AMSF} FCC Question Thank you very much, I will look into this right away. We are not doing this intentionally as we don't have any programming during nighttime. Thank you very much for notifying us of this problem. Johanna Petrarca WPMZ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Tue Aug 13 10:32:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Aug 2002 17:32:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 38926 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 17:32:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2002 17:32:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r01.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.97) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2002 17:32:58 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id r.183.c9e6533 (30952) for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <183.c9e6533.2a8a9cc2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:32:50 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} WooHoo!! KEVA 1240 AM Stereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 534 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/13/2002 2:19:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, groucho@skyweb.net writes: > Hi Bob > If you may remember I made a complaint in here about WTIR now > powering Down.. and someone replied that they are powering down Because > they cannot hear them at night... well I had a friend Down there do some > Field strength meter readings.. Hummm I wonder what it means when the > Meter reads the same or close to the same thing when he started taking > readings in 2 hour intervals from 4pm till 1 am. > Neal > Heheh......sounds like to me Neal that someone is trying to pull the wool over someones eyes because the last time I looked,a field strength meter will show a lower reading when a station drops power. See,its stuff like that that really gets to me. If a daytimer cant abided by the rules....yank'em off the air! Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47,Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms." Your message (if actually mailed) is in violation of the Federal Telephone Consumer Protection Act of 1991, and Collateral Code of Federal Regulations (47 CFR64.1200). The TCPA allows a private right of action against the sender of unsolicited advertising. The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Aug 13 10:46:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Aug 2002 17:46:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 37383 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 17:46:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2002 17:46:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2002 17:46:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2002 17:46:29 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:46:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: HD Radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 159 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.108 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > > Anyway, don't ask me what the "HD" stands for. It may stand for Hybrid Digital. JSG From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Aug 13 10:58:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Aug 2002 17:58:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 75385 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 17:58:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2002 17:58:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11702.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2002 17:58:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20020813175851.98183.qmail@web11702.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.35.27] by web11702.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:58:51 PDT Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:58:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WPMZ/1110-Radio Free Taco Bell in Providence To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <01b701c242e2$02290500$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio WPMZ actually shut their f***ing XMTR. off last night. I live in their C.O.L. (City of License) and heard WBT loud & clear. If anybody else wants to call them, their office # is (401) 726-8413. They close at 3 (I don't get it either) so call early! Another station in R.I. doesn't shut down NOR lower power. Any guess on who it might be? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From fanfare@globility.com Tue Aug 13 11:52:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Aug 2002 18:52:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 45556 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 18:52:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2002 18:52:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2002 18:52:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2002 18:52:51 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:52:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: HD Radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 546 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amfmguy" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.234.32 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@y..., "jsgilst" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > > > > > Anyway, don't ask me what the "HD" stands for. > > It may stand for Hybrid Digital. > > JSG Perhaps it is identifying itself with a term that has more meaning to most, that of "high definition". The only thing left is to satisfy the mind that has been preconditioned by CD's as to what high definition sound really is. However, I think "Hybrid-digital" sounds closer to what it's likely to be. M. From n0uiheric@aol.com Tue Aug 13 14:27:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Aug 2002 21:27:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 82155 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 21:27:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2002 21:27:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m09.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.164) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2002 21:27:42 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id r.154.126eab69 (4446) for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:27:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <154.126eab69.2a8ad3c9@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:27:37 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Why would they call it "HD Radio" when IBOC-DAB is really LOW-DEFINITION? Why not scrap IBOC altogether, and keep radio analogue? 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Aug 13 15:39:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Aug 2002 22:39:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 19086 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 22:39:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2002 22:39:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2002 22:39:20 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.32]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:37:23 -0400 Message-ID: <002401c2431a$46786060$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <154.126eab69.2a8ad3c9@aol.com> Subject: more on car radios Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:39:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 .. or I should say moron car radios.... Anyway, I am finishing up a new model- Crutchfields has an incredible deal on a Jensen system, with all this audio/video interface stuff, remote control, wireless second channel headphones, yadda yadda... all for $149.00. I am jumping ahead of other models now only because if these turn out to kick butt, I want everyone to get one that wants one. So far, so good. It converted fine, no wierd artifacts in the sound, very respectable high end-and the only thing left is actual on-the-road testing for overload, etc. Stay tuned for the test results.... CC From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Aug 13 18:31:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Aug 2002 01:31:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 39917 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2002 01:31:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2002 01:31:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2002 01:31:31 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-206.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.206]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g7E1RpkC028580 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:27:52 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001101a8f5d2$890101c0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} FCC Question Date: Fri, 18 Jan 1980 19:37:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude If you have any future problems with them, please let me know. I'll give you the phone number of the corporate chief. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: > Now I have made courtesy calls to WFIL in Philly when they did not change > patterns..and blew me out of the water.. From amfmdx@fastq.com Tue Aug 13 18:49:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Aug 2002 01:49:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 27562 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2002 01:49:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2002 01:49:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2002 01:49:39 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d143-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.175]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g7E1naT92988 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:49:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <09bd01c24334$548a37e0$44f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <001001c241a8$2d763d30$0401a8c0@OMNIBOOK> <004101c24219$3f2fad60$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> <07f601c2424f$018c0b80$44f9bed8@kredding430cdt> <00c201c242ce$e4ce80b0$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Rat them all out! Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:45:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Kevin, you are an overflowing cup of the milk of Human Kindness. Dude, I am sick and tired and blue in the face begging @$$#0!e$ at radio stations to fix this issue of staying on at night if they are daytimers or using higher than allotted power. I have called and called and called and no one gives a $#!+ because they know the FCC will do nothing anyway. So I don't care anymore. I just flatly rat them out without batting an eye. I don't care if its a day or two but when it runs into weeks, no problem at all. No guilt. If they weren't @$$#0!e$ when I was nice, I wouldn't have a k!$$ my @$$ attitude about this. > Dhhhhuuhhh I meant during the day. Of course there is no one there at night or they would be aware of their foolish mistake!~ Yes, I have called in the day on my lunch time to tell them what was happening and the response was really craptacular. I want to go to the public files and put notes about it in there. I have done this before too and will do it again. I have NO problem doing this. If they had a better attitude about things in the past I wouldn't be so radical about it but when they don't care, I *really* don't care. Many of the stations ARE automated IN THE DAY, theres no one to talk to anyway. > A call could make you (Someone on this list that lives close) a hero and down the road they may call you > for assistance and pay you too.........Totally new concept. What are you smoking?? These automated stations are so cheap that they have no staff to speak of and if you think they will pay you to tell them that they have a problem, that isn't going to happen! > This sounds like a JOB begging for attention. About the only ones I would give a break are the guys running stations who are on this and other lists but the other guys... they are toast. No problem at all ratting them all out. NONE. Phoenix is miserable with people who don't care about the rules and regs at all. Kevin From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Aug 13 18:57:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Aug 2002 01:57:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 5529 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2002 01:57:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2002 01:57:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2002 01:57:02 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-206.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.206]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g7E1rNkC003401 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:53:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <007c01a8f5d6$1a5e1ce0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020813133259.67229.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdf&id_document=6513285201 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 1980 20:03:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I worked with Don back during the big drive for LPFM. He's got a lot of passion, but not always a lot of wisdom. Still it's nice to know he came up with a creative way to try and trip up this process. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnny Electron" > Comedy for the day: it looks like the Don Shelhart boys struck a nerve with the > folks at iBiquity From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Aug 13 19:05:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Aug 2002 02:05:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 22083 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2002 02:05:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2002 02:05:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2002 02:05:14 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-206.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.206]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g7E21ZkC005113 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:01:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <009301a8f5d7$3f9ac700$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020813043458.20181.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} WooHoo!! KEVA 1240 AM Stereo Date: Fri, 18 Jan 1980 20:11:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Now that's a SPLENDID idea. I only wish we had more people on this list in parts of the country (yea, verily, the world) where we don't have them now to make it easier to keep it accurate. BTW, WCTS is transmitting pilot again, but no stereo. I wonder if they're still tracking down those momentary overloads? ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnny Electron" We ought to keep the AM Stereo list > up to date so Marv can include a copy with every Fanfare AMS rig that ships! From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Aug 13 21:13:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Aug 2002 04:13:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 5479 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2002 04:13:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2002 04:13:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2002 04:13:29 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g7E4JMlw056186 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 00:19:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D59D804.936B58C5@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 00:09:40 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WooHoo!! KEVA 1240 AM Stereo References: <183.c9e6533.2a8a9cc2@aol.com> From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yep and its not because the meter is receiving Other Stations on the same Freq. at Night.. there are only 3 stations that share the freq. that I Have Heard mine in NJ, TIR in FLA and JNZ in Mich... and the readings were taken only a few miles from their tower.. so I highly doubt it was other signals. and your Right... If I go 1-2 Miles from My Tower my meter only sees and hears my transmitter.. and I can see the meter go up and Down when I call the burk and switch it just to see. but when the meter stays put. Nahhhh No power change... its not skip conditions... Neal KC4QLP@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/13/2002 2:19:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > groucho@skyweb.net writes: > > > > Hi Bob > > If you may remember I made a complaint in here about WTIR now > > powering Down.. and someone replied that they are powering down > Because > > they cannot hear them at night... well I had a friend Down there do > some > > Field strength meter readings.. Hummm I wonder what it means when > the > > Meter reads the same or close to the same thing when he started > taking > > readings in 2 hour intervals from 4pm till 1 am. > > Neal > > > > Heheh......sounds like to me Neal that someone is trying to pull the > wool > over someones eyes because the last time I looked,a field strength > meter will > show a lower reading when a station drops power. > See,its stuff like that that really gets to me. If a daytimer cant > abided by > the rules....yank'em off the air! > > Bob Carter > Operations/Engineering > > WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 > Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio > > Network > > Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with > engineering > services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. > e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com > http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice > Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC > WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC > WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC > > AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- > amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com > amstereo-subcribe@topica.com > amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > > KC4QLP Amateur Radio > Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va > www.kc4qlp.cjb.net > > voice contact-252-335-0856 > fax 1-209-254-8978 > _______________________________________________________ > > WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title > 47,Chapter > 5, Subchapter II, > "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is > subject to a > download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance > of > these terms." > Your message (if actually mailed) is in violation of the Federal > Telephone > Consumer Protection Act of 1991, and Collateral Code of Federal > Regulations > (47 CFR64.1200). The TCPA allows a private right of action against the > sender > of unsolicited advertising. The recipient can sue for $500, or > actualdamages > (whichever is greater). > > > > - > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT [Image] > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Aug 13 21:14:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Aug 2002 04:14:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 85966 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2002 04:14:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2002 04:14:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2002 04:14:47 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g7E4Kslw056357 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 00:20:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D59D861.C0FB20D2@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 00:11:13 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: HD Radio References: From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Sounds like IBOC to me.. > It may stand for Hybrid Digital. > > JSG > > > Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Tue Aug 13 21:24:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Aug 2002 04:24:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 11187 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2002 04:24:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2002 04:24:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d07.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2002 04:24:30 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id r.14a.12668191 (4362); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 00:24:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <14a.12668191.2a8b357a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 00:24:26 EDT Subject: Skip Pizzi on IBOC-DAB To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: N0UIH-DXTalk@topica.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih "Rubbing Listeners The Wrong Way" (originally published in Radio World Online) by Skip Pizzi "I was talking with a smart, active and highly aware professional, yet listening to the radio had already become an artifact of an earlier time to her. If she ever had been an avid listener, that taste and acuity had long since atrophied, having been replaced by her embrace of other, more modern media. Digital manipulation Others have recognized this trend, using far more scientific methods of analysis than my massage-room focus group of one. Yet somehow an erroneous belief for a solution has surfaced and taken hold of the industry in a sort of collective hallucination, which states that all radio has to do is "go digital," and that this migration away from the medium will stop and reverse itself. It couldn't possibly be the programming that is driving audiences away - no, certainly not. It's just that radio's not digital yet. Yeah, that's the ticket ... " Skip then tells us he is off to check out "the fate of the digital radio transition in Tahiti". Well, I just got back from Russia and Germany. Let me tell you, Russian radio ROCKS. If you visit Europe and especially Russia BRING YOUR WALKMAN!! Its common to regularly hear 4 different languages. The BBC did a wonderful version of the Grapes of Wrath ... including appropriate cursing as reflected in the book and (as the Beeb put it) language accurately reflecting speech usage at the time". I also heard MORE JAZZ IN RUSSIA than in the US even if I combined several city's dials. No Kenny G either, no it was the real deal. Its pathetic that Jazz is an American Art Form ... and it gets better exposure in the former "Evil Empire" of Russia than it ever does in the supposedly free and marketplace oriented US. All the music available in the US is there on the dial of Russia and Germany ... and on top of that, many other cultures as well. They have easily 5x or more the playlist of most American radio stations. There will be just about every genre of commonly listened to music you could imagine. The Russian radio dial is about twice the bandwidth of ours as well. Just a tiny smattering of what it sounds like: http://www.russianinternet.com/radio/ Naturally some of the more eclectic and ethnic stuff is not represented as they don't have the scratch or equipment to bitcast. Just wait intil the RIAA stuff really kicks in ... Russian, European and Brazilian bitcasters are going to become VERY POPULAR!! Heck, maybe this is a good thing. Americans may become a lot more aware of the greater world out there by listening to its radio stations on their PCs. The only thing missing ... the generous coating of religious puritan propaganda stations that clog the US radio dial like fleas on a dying dog. Yep, ALMOST NO PREACHING! Wonderful. And ironically I know that even most Christians in America would agree because in spite of the fact that so-called "Christian Programming" makes up easily over 20% of the stations and programming on our dial here in Richmond, Va., about 5% or less of the audience listens to what is often very very badly recorded sermons that probably even the preacher who recorded it couldn't listen to! So in supposedly socialistic and communistic Russian and Germany, we have what appears to be a much healthier marketplace response on the radio dial. Certainly I see a lot more people listening and not using so many tapes and CDs. I saw people in their 50s and 60s regularly listening to NEW music in Russia and Germany. Not something commonly seen in the US. Not like there wasn't a regular supply of older music, no, lots of it! And the coup de gras ... as I toured Germany for about a week, I stopped at almost every open electronics store and whenever I was in a car, I asked ... what do you think of Digital Audio Broadcasting? Can I hear it for myself? You see, in Germany, they have HAD Digital Audio Broadcasting some three years now. Nada, zero, zip. I found only three people who had even HEARD of DAB !!! And the only one who was enthusiastic at ALL was a salesman. But did he sell any DAB recievers? No. He explained, "Hannover just doesn't have enough DAB transmitters yet, only 5 or 6, not enough to get people exicted enough to buy recievers." Another saleman who owned his own shop (now THAT's ALSO getting rare in the US, a small mom&pop electronics store?!) ... said "three years ago, some excitement, but last year, excitement has dropped off. Same programming and only a very very tiny increase in sound quality is not worth it." So I never got the chance to listen to DAB while there. I never found a SINGLE store selling or even displaying even ONE DAB reciever. Ya, three years after its introduction." And here's some additional comments from Christopher Maxwell of The Virginia Center for The Public Press: "So there it is folks. Sony Inc. was right. Sony said in the official record for FCC Docket # 99-325 (on IBOC-DAB) that unless the FCC *FORCED* conversion to DAB and PROHIBITED good ol' analog ... the market for IBOC would never happen." "Ah, but UNLIKE in Russia and Germany, where they have FOUR BROADCAST BANDS ... no unlike digital over there ... here IBOC will DESTROY ANALOG RECEPTION." "When WJFK106.7 fired up its IBOC sidebands, the listenable range for DC residents who could normally hear WWMX106.5 dropped from a 58 mile broadcast range down to 25 miles !!!" "Skip Pizzi is dead on ... ITS THE PROGRAMMING, STUPID (I paraphrase) and its not an alleged microscopic increase in "sound quality" that people want." "By dropping the broadcast range for thousands of analog stations by upwards of 60% range loss ... IBOC WILL INDEED HASTEN THE DEATH OF BROADCASTING." "I hope we can kill IBOC before IBOC kills what's left of radio." "The real irony here is that this threat is no longer necessary. The US Military right now is abandoning its former monopoly on use of the 'L-Band'". "Canada is already broadcasting Elvis out of Alberta and thus the US Military has acknowledged that it can no longer test missiles at 1452-1492Mhz and a bit below and so the US Military is now releasing its strangle grip on the L-Band. We could drop IBOC like the diseased potato it is and grow a new digital future on the L-Band just as Canada is." "Why must we re-invent the wheel and force Americans to buy special transmitters and recievers when the rest of the planet has already built DAB on the 'L-Band'??" "Why are we planning to ghettoize ourselves?" Radio is already being "ghettoized"; just look at what Clear Channel, Gaylord and some of the other corporate groups did with AM Stereo. FM operators EMBEZZLED money from the AM stations a quarter of a century ago, and began promoting FM instead of AM. Most of the "bible-thumpers" are on AM radio. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Aug 13 21:25:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Aug 2002 04:25:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 6773 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2002 04:25:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2002 04:25:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2002 04:25:56 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g7E4W3lw057548 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 00:32:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D59DAFD.D85A1E1A@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 00:22:21 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD Radio References: <154.126eab69.2a8ad3c9@aol.com> From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit you know that's very Funny.. Because digital is New better technology ( burp excuse Me) more like gag.. what's funny is that It Does not matter how Good digital audio can sound.. My brain does Not have an D/A converter in it... the Human ear is an Analog device.. so why bother Go digital at all except to maybe save some storage space.. My 1000 or so Mini disks Do take up alot less space than my old LP collection. but that's about It... all this talk about IBOC and digital transmitters Big deal... give me an Old 2" 24 track recorder.. I own 2 recording studios.. One is a 48 track with 2 2" 24 track machines. that sound Awesome (never mind the gold records On the wall) and I have a small 24 track Hard drive machine in My studio here at the house..Small YES.. Sound Ok YES.. But not the same as the other 2 machines... ANALOG BABY is the way to go.. Just to take a peek at the studio.. http://www.angelfire.com/nj/cozy/studio.html Ohh Yes HD..... HARD DRIVE Neal n0uiheric@aol.com wrote: > Why would they call it "HD Radio" when IBOC-DAB is really > LOW-DEFINITION? Why > not scrap IBOC altogether, and keep radio analogue? > > 73 and good DX from Eric > Amateur Radio Station N0UIH > Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN > Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 > DXing The World since 1981 > Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel > PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION > "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Aug 14 06:02:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Aug 2002 13:01:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 53002 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2002 13:01:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2002 13:01:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2002 13:01:58 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id r.118.15bc0800 (1320) for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <118.15bc0800.2a8baeb5@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:01:41 EDT Subject: 700 WLW testing IBOC this week!!!!!! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 534 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The following was snagged from the NRCDXAS list ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --------------------------------------- From: "Charles Hutton" To: Subject: RE: [NRC-am] WLW Testing IBOC this week Dunno what the suits at CC think but the engineers at CC filed a report wit= h=20 the FCC et al that had bad things to say about the interference caused by=20 WTOP 1500's IBOC to the 1490 station in Hagerstown MD. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: BACONTI@aol.com [mailto:BACONTI@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 4:15 PM To: am@nrcdxas.org Subject: Re: [NRC-am] WLW Testing IBOC this week In a message dated 8/12/2002 11:28:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 scott@fybush.com writes: << Clear Channel wanted a WLW-WOR test specifically to create a worst-case= =20 adjacent-channel scenario to prove that the system needs more work before=20 it's ready >> I thought Clear Channel was one of the corporations lobbying to get IBOC=20 digital on the air? After investing so heavily into the purchase of radio= =20 stations, Clear Channel wants to be the first to go digital. Bruce Conti - Nashua NH BAConti@aol.com http://members.aol.com/baconti/bamlog.htm Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020814001011.030e8c18@pop-server.rochester.rr.com= > Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 00:11:29 -0400 To: am@nrcdxas.org From: Scott Fybush Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii"; format=3Dflowed Subject: Re: [NRC-am] WLW Testing IBOC this week At 07:14 PM 8/13/2002 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 8/12/2002 11:28:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >scott@fybush.com writes: > ><< Clear Channel wanted a WLW-WOR test specifically to create a worst-case >adjacent-channel scenario to prove that the system needs more work before >it's ready >> > >I thought Clear Channel was one of the corporations lobbying to get IBOC >digital on the air? After investing so heavily into the purchase of radio >stations, Clear Channel wants to be the first to go digital. IF it works - and the engineers who run Clear Channel Radio (or did until=20 recently) know better than the bean-counters at the other big groups whether or not it will work without harming all the=20 company's big skywave stations at night. (And the verdict doesn't look=20 good...) -s From: BACONTI@aol.com Message-ID: <34.2bb21a05.2a8aef26@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 19:24:22 EDT To: am@nrcdxas.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [NRC-am] WLW and IBOC In a message dated 8/13/2002 11:28:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 paul@amtower.com writes: << I think they still have that trucking show on at night that still plays= =20 some music. No wonder they shut it off then, cause the truckers WOULD=20 complain of poor audio on their music. But I see even limited use of the=20 Clear Channel freqs for truckers shows as satellite radio is really being=20 marketed to long haul truckers now. >> Truckers were the first to embrace satellite radio with XM carrying the=20 Truckin' Bozo (also on WLW). XM has been heavily promoted on The Truckin'= =20 Bozo. The Truckin' Bozo and The Midnight Cowboy have always had a small=20 select network of stations, at least for as long as I remember, mostly clea= r=20 channel (clear frequency) AM. Links to both are on my web site, and both=20 have network lists. Bruce Conti - Nashua NH BAConti@aol.com http://members.aol.com/baconti/bamlog.htm Message-Id: < 200208140350.g7E3oRZ04333@cpe0020188cb319.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" From: Barry McLarnon To: am@nrcdxas.org Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 23:50:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [NRC-am] WLW and IBOC On August 13, 2002 09:58 am, Powell E. Way III wrote: > 50,000 watt WLW, 700 KHz in Cincinnatti has just begun testing > digital > audio via IBOC both day and evenings until 11-12 PM.. It's my > understanding the test will be this week only. > > The digital stream was switched on at 10:30 PM this past Saturday, > August 9. Digital audio is being transmitted at 9200 baud with > audio bandwidth limited to 5 KHz for the purpose of the testing. > The digital > side bands on the carrier are reportedly audible to some degree on > 700, +/- 10 to 20 KHz. They are definitely testing tonight, cycling the IBOC off and on at=20 regular intervals. When it's on, it completely wipes out 710 here=20 unless I null WLW. There is also a noticeable degradation in the=20 audio quality of WLW from added in-band noise. Barry --=20 Barry McLarnon VE3JF Ottawa, ON bdm@bdmcomm.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=3D"----_=3D_NextPart_001_01C24349.D5750FA6" Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:19:51 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Charles Hutton" To: Subject: RE: [NRC-am] WLW and IBOC Were I within range, I would make tapes and take notes and try to get them = in=20 front of everyone at WLW, WOR and CC I could............ I'm hoping NRC=E9r= s=20 will leap into action and let them know what IBOC does to clear channel=20 stations, figuring no one carries about protecting the Class 2-3-4 stations= =20 outside their secondary coverage area. Chuck -----Original Message-----=20 From: Barry McLarnon [mailto:bdm@bdmcomm.ca]=20 Sent: Tue 8/13/2002 8:50 PM=20 To: am@nrcdxas.org=20 Cc:=20 Subject: Re: [NRC-am] WLW and IBOC =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 On August 13, 2002 09:58 am, Powell E. Way III wrote: > 50,000 watt WLW, 700 KHz in Cincinnatti has just begun testing > digital > audio via IBOC both day and evenings until 11-12 PM.. It's my > understanding the test will be this week only. > > The digital stream was switched on at 10:30 PM this past Saturday, > August 9. Digital audio is being transmitted at 9200 baud with > audio bandwidth limited to 5 KHz for the purpose of the testing. > The digital > side bands on the carrier are reportedly audible to some degree on > 700, +/- 10 to 20 KHz. =20=20=20=20 They are definitely testing tonight, cycling the IBOC off and on at regular intervals. When it's on, it completely wipes out 710 here unless I null WLW. There is also a noticeable degradation in the audio quality of WLW from added in-band noise. =20=20=20=20 Barry =20=20=20=20 -- Barry McLarnon VE3JF Ottawa, ON bdm@bdmcomm.ca =20=20=20=20 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020814003113.03115cf0@pop-server.rochester.rr.com= > Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 00:36:45 -0400 To: am@nrcdxas.org From: Scott Fybush Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"; format=3Dflowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [NRC-am] WLW and IBOC At 09:19 PM 8/13/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Were I within range, I would make tapes and take notes and try to get them= =20 >in front of everyone at WLW, WOR and CC I could............ I'm hoping=20 >NRC=C3=A9rs will leap into action and let them know what IBOC does to clea= r=20 >channel stations, figuring no one carries about protecting the Class 2-3-4= =20 >stations outside their secondary coverage area. > > Oh, don't think for one minute that Clear Channel doesn't have plenty of=20 engineers monitoring these tests carefully. If they hear interference to or= =20 from WLW or WOR during the tests (and the consensus among=20 non-Ibiquity-affiliated engineers I trust is that they will), it will be=20 carefully measured, recorded, documented with 8-by-10 glossy pictures with= =20 a paragraph on the back of each one, and sent down to Washington. And=20 friends... OK - enough bad Arlo Guthrie parody...I'm sure they wouldn't mind having=20 reports from DXers as well, specifically addressing the effects of the IBOC= =20 tests on nighttime skywave reception of 700, 710 and adjacent frequencies.= =20 (690 won't matter, it's Canadian - but I suspect WGN is paying attention=20 this week!). Paul Jellison is WLW's chief engineer, Kerry Richards is CE at= =20 WOR, and they're both DXer-friendly. The addresses in the Log are good. You= =20 all know what to do... -s Message-ID: <20020814112613.9498.qmail@www.vobbe.com> From: "Russ Edmunds" To: am@nrcdxas.org Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:26:13 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=3Dflowed; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: WLW and IBOC Scott Fybush writes:=20 >=20 > OK - enough bad Arlo Guthrie parody...I'm sure they wouldn't mind having= =20 > reports from DXers as well, specifically addressing the effects of the=20 > IBOC tests on nighttime skywave reception of 700, 710 and adjacent=20 > frequencies. (690 won't matter, it's Canadian - but I suspect WGN is=20 > paying attention this week!).=20 *** Seems as if notifying the Canadian licensee wouldn't hurt, either, and= =20 certainly might help to notify WGN's CE also if they suffer any degradation= .=20 Russ Edmunds Blue Bell, PA 40:08:45N; 75:16:04W, Grid FN20 =20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- ----------------------------- There you have it folks!..get those receivers cranked up and lets hear the= =20 mess > Bob Carter > Operations/Engineering >=20 > WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 > Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio > Network >=20 > Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with > engineering > services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. > e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com > http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice > Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC > WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC > WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC >=20 > AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- > amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com > amstereo-subcribe@topica.com > amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com >=20 > KC4QLP Amateur Radio > Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va > www.kc4qlp.cjb.net >=20 > voice contact-252-335-0856 > fax 1-209-254-8978 > _______________________________________________________ >=20 > WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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The recipient can sue for $500, or > actualdamages > (whichever is greater). >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mychucky@funport.net Wed Aug 14 06:40:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mychucky@funport.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Aug 2002 13:40:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 6065 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2002 13:40:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2002 13:40:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.funport.com) (216.199.19.6) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2002 13:40:50 -0000 Received: from FatMusic2000 ([]) by mail.funport.com (Merak 5.0.2) with SMTP id JFB36580 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:39:33 -0400 Message-ID: <002c01c24398$b65551d0$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> To: References: <001001c241a8$2d763d30$0401a8c0@OMNIBOOK> <004101c24219$3f2fad60$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> <07f601c2424f$018c0b80$44f9bed8@kredding430cdt> <00c201c242ce$e4ce80b0$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> <09bd01c24334$548a37e0$44f9bed8@kredding430cdt> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Rat them all out! Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:44:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85836819 X-Yahoo-Profile: mychucky1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Easy Kevin, did not mean to ruffle your feathers.......... When you been on the inside as well as the outside of this issue as I have it tends to make me more forgiving. Although I am against Government Regulation I am for the rights of listeners such as yourself and myself. My point was that the station did not know they had a problem in this case. I called them and their engineer called me back. Did anybody hear them on last night??? All I am saying is in each case we should not assume that the station in question is doing this on purpose. We all love radio with a passion, but radio stations are owned by people and people have problems. If it is a Clear Channel station bust um up Dude. But if it is a Struggling MoM an PoP in "Small Town" USA or Minority Station I still say give them a call. Later Guys Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin - Mesa, Arizona To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 9:45 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Rat them all out! > Kevin, you are an overflowing cup of the milk of Human Kindness. Dude, I am sick and tired and blue in the face begging @$$#0!e$ at radio stations to fix this issue of staying on at night if they are daytimers or using higher than allotted power. I have called and called and called and no one gives a $#!+ because they know the FCC will do nothing anyway. So I don't care anymore. I just flatly rat them out without batting an eye. I don't care if its a day or two but when it runs into weeks, no problem at all. No guilt. If they weren't @$$#0!e$ when I was nice, I wouldn't have a k!$$ my @$$ attitude about this. > Dhhhhuuhhh I meant during the day. Of course there is no one there at night or they would be aware of their foolish mistake!~ Yes, I have called in the day on my lunch time to tell them what was happening and the response was really craptacular. I want to go to the public files and put notes about it in there. I have done this before too and will do it again. I have NO problem doing this. If they had a better attitude about things in the past I wouldn't be so radical about it but when they don't care, I *really* don't care. Many of the stations ARE automated IN THE DAY, theres no one to talk to anyway. > A call could make you (Someone on this list that lives close) a hero and down the road they may call you > for assistance and pay you too.........Totally new concept. What are you smoking?? These automated stations are so cheap that they have no staff to speak of and if you think they will pay you to tell them that they have a problem, that isn't going to happen! > This sounds like a JOB begging for attention. About the only ones I would give a break are the guys running stations who are on this and other lists but the other guys... they are toast. No problem at all ratting them all out. NONE. Phoenix is miserable with people who don't care about the rules and regs at all. Kevin Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mychucky@funport.net Wed Aug 14 07:10:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mychucky@funport.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Aug 2002 14:10:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 19272 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2002 14:10:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2002 14:10:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.funport.com) (216.199.19.6) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2002 14:10:10 -0000 Received: from FatMusic2000 ([]) by mail.funport.com (Merak 5.0.2) with SMTP id JFB36580 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:08:51 -0400 Message-ID: <003601c2439c$cdd8eca0$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> To: References: <183.c9e6533.2a8a9cc2@aol.com> <3D59D804.936B58C5@skyweb.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} WooHoo!! KEVA 1240 AM Stereo Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:13:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85836819 X-Yahoo-Profile: mychucky1 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Opps I thought you were watching a station a few hundred miles away What was the frequency of the station we were talking about? A search of 1240 shows an excess of 200 stations on that freq. A search of 1680 shows 30 stations See www.radiostation.com search by freq. in the AM database. The FM data base has been broken for weeks now. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Neal Newman=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 12:09 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} WooHoo!! KEVA 1240 AM Stereo Yep and its not because the meter is receiving Other Stations on the same Freq. at Night.. there are only 3 stations that share the freq. that I Have Heard mine in NJ, TIR in FLA and JNZ in Mich... and the readings were taken only a few miles from their tower.. so I highly doubt it was other signals. and your Right... If I go 1-2 Miles from My Tower my meter only sees and hears my transmitter.. and I can see the meter go up and Down when I call the burk and switch it just to see. but when the meter stays put. Nahhhh No power change... its not skip conditions... Neal KC4QLP@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/13/2002 2:19:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > groucho@skyweb.net writes: > > > > Hi Bob > > If you may remember I made a complaint in here about WTIR now > > powering Down.. and someone replied that they are powering down > Because > > they cannot hear them at night... well I had a friend Down there do > some > > Field strength meter readings.. Hummm I wonder what it means when > the > > Meter reads the same or close to the same thing when he started > taking > > readings in 2 hour intervals from 4pm till 1 am. > > Neal > > > > Heheh......sounds like to me Neal that someone is trying to pull the > wool > over someones eyes because the last time I looked,a field strength > meter will > show a lower reading when a station drops power. > See,its stuff like that that really gets to me. 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor=20 ADVERTISEMENT =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 ---------- Elliott Broadcast Services - AM Search Results =A91997 Elliott Broadcast Services This data should be considered an unofficial secondary source.=20 See FCC Rules section 0.434 for further warnings and disclaimers. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Frequency search for: 1680 in all of the United States. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- KAZJ - 1680 : construction permit data for daytime operation=20 SEATTLE , WA Coordinates: N473920 W1223105 View location. Class: 0B | Nominal power: 10.00 kw | RMS: 0318.70 | Antenna: ND1=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #1: Electrical height: 110.5 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #2: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #3: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- File # BP970616AU This station operates on an unlimited schedule.=20 EXPANDED BAND APPLICATION FOR KLFE=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- KBJE - 1680 : construction permit data for nighttime operation=20 MONROE , LA Coordinates: N322724 W0920106 View location. Class: 0B | Nominal power: 01.00 kw | RMS: 0309.46 | Antenna: ND1=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #1: Electrical height: 090.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #2: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #3: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- File # BP970616BJ This station operates on an unlimited schedule.=20 EXPANDED BAND APPLICATION FOR KMLB=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- KAZJ - 1680 : construction permit data for nighttime operation=20 SEATTLE , WA Coordinates: N473920 W1223105 View location. Class: 0B | Nominal power: 01.00 kw | RMS: 0318.70 | Antenna: ND1=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #1: Electrical height: 110.5 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #2: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #3: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- File # BP970616AU This station operates on an unlimited schedule.=20 EXPANDED BAND APPLICATION FOR KLFE=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- WJNZ - 1680 : construction permit data for nighttime operation=20 ADA , MI Coordinates: N425609 W0852726 View location. Class: 0B | Nominal power: 00.68 kw | RMS: 0334.50 | Antenna: ND1=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #1: Electrical height: 132.7 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #2: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #3: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- File # BP971218AB This station operates on an unlimited schedule.=20 XBAND ALLOTMENT 970317 FOR EXIST BAND STATION WMHG,1600 KHZ,MUSKEGON,MI=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- WTIR - 1680 : construction permit data for daytime operation=20 WINTER GARDEN , FL Coordinates: N283406 W0813109 View location. Class: 0B | Nominal power: 10.00 kw | RMS: 0375.30 | Antenna: ND1=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #1: Electrical height: 175.1 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #2: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #3: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- File # BP970616BM This station operates on an unlimited schedule.=20 EXPANDED BAND APPLICATION FOR WOKB=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- WTIR - 1680 : construction permit data for nighttime operation=20 WINTER GARDEN , FL Coordinates: N283406 W0813109 View location. Class: 0B | Nominal power: 01.00 kw | RMS: 0375.30 | Antenna: ND1=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #1: Electrical height: 175.1 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #2: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #3: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- File # BP970616BM This station operates on an unlimited schedule.=20 EXPANDED BAND APPLICATION FOR WOKB=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- WTTM - 1680 : construction permit data for daytime operation=20 PRINCETON , NJ Coordinates: N402200 W0744438 View location. Class: 0B | Nominal power: 10.00 kw | RMS: 0319.50 | Antenna: ND1=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #1: Electrical height: 110.7 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #2: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #3: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- File # BP970613AH This station operates on an unlimited schedule.=20 EXPANDED BAND ALLOTMENT 970317. APPLICATION FOR WHWH=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- WTTM - 1680 : construction permit data for nighttime operation=20 PRINCETON , NJ Coordinates: N402200 W0744438 View location. Class: 0B | Nominal power: 01.00 kw | RMS: 0319.50 | Antenna: ND1=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #1: Electrical height: 110.7 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #2: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #3: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- File # BP970613AH This station operates on an unlimited schedule.=20 EXPANDED BAND ALLOTMENT 970317. APPLICATION FOR WHWH=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- KAVT - 1680 : construction permit data for daytime operation=20 FRESNO , CA Coordinates: N364614 W1195520 View location. Class: 0B | Nominal power: 10.00 kw | RMS: 0310.00 | Antenna: ND1=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #1: Electrical height: 097.6 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #2: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #3: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- File # BP970616AV This station operates on an unlimited schedule.=20 EXPANDED BAND APPLICATION FOR KXEX=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- KXEX - 1680 : petition to move to expanded band with stereo...data for dayt= ime operation=20 FRESNO , CA Coordinates: N364614 W1195520 View location. Class: 0B | Nominal power: 10.00 kw | RMS: 0310.00 | Antenna: ND1=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #1: Electrical height: 090.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #2: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #3: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- File # 970316CE This station operates on an unlimited schedule.=20 EXPANDED BAND ALLOTMENT 970317=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- KXEX - 1680 : petition to move to expanded band with stereo...data for nigh= ttime operation=20 FRESNO , CA Coordinates: N364614 W1195520 View location. Class: 0B | Nominal power: 01.00 kw | RMS: 0310.00 | Antenna: ND1=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #1: Electrical height: 090.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #2: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #3: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- File # 970316CE This station operates on an unlimited schedule.=20 EXPANDED BAND ALLOTMENT 970317=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- KJCK - 1680 : petition to move to expanded band with stereo...data for dayt= ime operation=20 JUNCTION CITY , KS Coordinates: N390133 W0964836 View location. Class: 0B | Nominal power: 10.00 kw | RMS: 0310.00 | Antenna: ND1=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #1: Electrical height: 090.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #2: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #3: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- File # 970316CH This station operates on an unlimited schedule.=20 EXPANDED BAND ALLOTMENT 970317=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- KJCK - 1680 : petition to move to expanded band with stereo...data for nigh= ttime operation=20 JUNCTION CITY , KS Coordinates: N390133 W0964836 View location. Class: 0B | Nominal power: 01.00 kw | RMS: 0310.00 | Antenna: ND1=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #1: Electrical height: 090.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #2: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #3: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- File # 970316CH This station operates on an unlimited schedule.=20 EXPANDED BAND ALLOTMENT 970317=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- KMLB - 1680 : petition to move to expanded band with stereo...data for dayt= ime operation=20 MONROE , LA Coordinates: N323310 W0920424 View location. Class: 0B | Nominal power: 10.00 kw | RMS: 0310.00 | Antenna: ND1=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #1: Electrical height: 090.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #2: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #3: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- File # 970316CI This station operates on an unlimited schedule.=20 EXPANDED BAND ALLOTMENT 970317=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- KMLB - 1680 : petition to move to expanded band with stereo...data for nigh= ttime operation=20 MONROE , LA Coordinates: N323310 W0920424 View location. Class: 0B | Nominal power: 01.00 kw | RMS: 0310.00 | Antenna: ND1=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #1: Electrical height: 090.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #2: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #3: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- File # 970316CI This station operates on an unlimited schedule.=20 EXPANDED BAND ALLOTMENT 970317=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- KBRF - 1680 : petition to move to expanded band with stereo...data for dayt= ime operation=20 FERGUS FALLS , MN Coordinates: N461719 W0960617 View location. Class: 0B | Nominal power: 10.00 kw | RMS: 0310.00 | Antenna: ND1=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #1: Electrical height: 090.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #2: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #3: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- File # 970316CK This station operates on an unlimited schedule.=20 EXPANDED BAND ALLOTMENT 970317=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- KBRF - 1680 : petition to move to expanded band with stereo...data for nigh= ttime operation=20 FERGUS FALLS , MN Coordinates: N461719 W0960617 View location. Class: 0B | Nominal power: 01.00 kw | RMS: 0310.00 | Antenna: ND1=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #1: Electrical height: 090.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #2: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #3: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- File # 970316CK This station operates on an unlimited schedule.=20 EXPANDED BAND ALLOTMENT 970317=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- WHWH - 1680 : petition to move to expanded band with stereo...data for dayt= ime operation=20 PRINCETON , NJ Coordinates: N402200 W0744438 View location. Class: 0B | Nominal power: 10.00 kw | RMS: 0310.00 | Antenna: ND1=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #1: Electrical height: 090.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #2: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #3: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- File # 970316CL This station operates on an unlimited schedule.=20 EXPANDED BAND ALLOTMENT 970317=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- WHWH - 1680 : petition to move to expanded band with stereo...data for nigh= ttime operation=20 PRINCETON , NJ Coordinates: N402200 W0744438 View location. Class: 0B | Nominal power: 01.00 kw | RMS: 0310.00 | Antenna: ND1=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #1: Electrical height: 090.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #2: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #3: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- File # 970316CL This station operates on an unlimited schedule.=20 EXPANDED BAND ALLOTMENT 970317=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- WKTP - 1680 : petition to move to expanded band with stereo...data for dayt= ime operation=20 JONESBORO , TN Coordinates: N361954 W0822827 View location. Class: 0B | Nominal power: 10.00 kw | RMS: 0310.00 | Antenna: ND1=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #1: Electrical height: 090.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #2: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #3: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- File # 970316CM This station operates on an unlimited schedule.=20 EXPANDED BAND ALLOTMENT 970317=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- WKTP - 1680 : petition to move to expanded band with stereo...data for nigh= ttime operation=20 JONESBORO , TN Coordinates: N361954 W0822827 View location. Class: 0B | Nominal power: 01.00 kw | RMS: 0310.00 | Antenna: ND1=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #1: Electrical height: 090.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #2: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #3: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- File # 970316CM This station operates on an unlimited schedule.=20 EXPANDED BAND ALLOTMENT 970317=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- KBNA - 1680 : petition to move to expanded band with stereo...data for dayt= ime operation=20 EL PASO , TX Coordinates: N314409 W1062224 View location. Class: 0B | Nominal power: 10.00 kw | RMS: 0310.00 | Antenna: ND1=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #1: Electrical height: 090.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #2: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #3: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- File # 970316CN This station operates on an unlimited schedule.=20 EXPANDED BAND ALLOTMENT 970317=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- KBNA - 1680 : petition to move to expanded band with stereo...data for nigh= ttime operation=20 EL PASO , TX Coordinates: N314409 W1062224 View location. Class: 0B | Nominal power: 01.00 kw | RMS: 0310.00 | Antenna: ND1=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #1: Electrical height: 090.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #2: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #3: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- File # 970316CN This station operates on an unlimited schedule.=20 EXPANDED BAND ALLOTMENT 970317=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- KRDY - 1680 : petition to move to expanded band with stereo...data for dayt= ime operation=20 GRAND JUNCTION , CO Coordinates: N390735 W1083813 View location. Class: 0B | Nominal power: 10.00 kw | RMS: 0310.00 | Antenna: ND1=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #1: Electrical height: 090.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #2: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #3: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- File # 970316CF This station operates on an unlimited schedule.=20 EXPANDED BAND ALLOTMENT 970317=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- KRDY - 1680 : petition to move to expanded band with stereo...data for nigh= ttime operation=20 GRAND JUNCTION , CO Coordinates: N390735 W1083813 View location. Class: 0B | Nominal power: 01.00 kw | RMS: 0310.00 | Antenna: ND1=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #1: Electrical height: 090.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #2: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #3: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- File # 970316CF This station operates on an unlimited schedule.=20 EXPANDED BAND ALLOTMENT 970317=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- WOKB - 1680 : petition to move to expanded band with stereo...data for dayt= ime operation=20 WINTER GARDEN , FL Coordinates: N283406 W0813109 View location. Class: 0B | Nominal power: 10.00 kw | RMS: 0310.00 | Antenna: ND1=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #1: Electrical height: 090.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #2: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #3: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- File # 970316CG This station operates on an unlimited schedule.=20 EXPANDED BAND ALLOTMENT 970317=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- WOKB - 1680 : petition to move to expanded band with stereo...data for nigh= ttime operation=20 WINTER GARDEN , FL Coordinates: N283406 W0813109 View location. Class: 0B | Nominal power: 01.00 kw | RMS: 0310.00 | Antenna: ND1=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #1: Electrical height: 090.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #2: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #3: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- File # 970316CG This station operates on an unlimited schedule.=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- WMHG - 1680 : petition to move to expanded band with stereo...data for dayt= ime operation=20 MUSKEGON , MI Coordinates: N431150 W0861322 View location. Class: 0B | Nominal power: 10.00 kw | RMS: 0310.00 | Antenna: ND1=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #1: Electrical height: 090.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #2: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #3: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- File # 970316CJ This station operates on an unlimited schedule.=20 EXPANDED BAND ALLOTMENT 970317=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- WMHG - 1680 : petition to move to expanded band with stereo...data for nigh= ttime operation=20 MUSKEGON , MI Coordinates: N431150 W0861322 View location. Class: 0B | Nominal power: 01.00 kw | RMS: 0310.00 | Antenna: ND1=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #1: Electrical height: 090.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #2: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #3: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- File # 970316CJ This station operates on an unlimited schedule.=20 EXPANDED BAND ALLOTMENT 970317=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- KLFE - 1680 : petition to move to expanded band with stereo...data for dayt= ime operation=20 SEATTLE , WA Coordinates: N473919 W1223106 View location. Class: 0B | Nominal power: 10.00 kw | RMS: 0310.00 | Antenna: ND1=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #1: Electrical height: 090.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #2: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #3: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- File # 970316CO This station operates on an unlimited schedule.=20 EXPANDED BAND ALLOTMENT 970317=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- KLFE - 1680 : petition to move to expanded band with stereo...data for nigh= ttime operation=20 SEATTLE , WA Coordinates: N473919 W1223106 View location. Class: 0B | Nominal power: 01.00 kw | RMS: 0310.00 | Antenna: ND1=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #1: Electrical height: 090.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #2: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #3: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- File # 970316CO This station operates on an unlimited schedule.=20 EXPANDED BAND ALLOTMENT 970317=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- NEW - 1680 : construction permit data for daytime operation=20 BLUFF CITY , TN Coordinates: N363055 W0821214 View location. Class: 0D | Nominal power: 00.40 kw | RMS: 0194.22 | Antenna: NDD=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #1: Electrical height: 100.8 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #2: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #3: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- File # BPEX961115DA This station is daytime only.=20 EXPERIMENTAL STATION=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- KAVT - 1680 : construction permit data for nighttime operation=20 FRESNO , CA Coordinates: N364614 W1195520 View location. Class: 0B | Nominal power: 01.00 kw | RMS: 0310.00 | Antenna: ND1=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #1: Electrical height: 097.6 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #2: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #3: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- File # BP970616AV This station operates on an unlimited schedule.=20 EXPANDED BAND APPLICATION FOR KXEX=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- WJNZ - 1680 : construction permit data for daytime operation=20 ADA , MI Coordinates: N425609 W0852726 View location. Class: 0B | Nominal power: 10.00 kw | RMS: 0334.50 | Antenna: ND1=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #1: Electrical height: 132.7 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #2: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #3: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- File # BP971218AB This station operates on an unlimited schedule.=20 EXPANDED BAND ALLOTMENT 970317 FOR EXISTING BAND STATION WMHG 1600 KHZ=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- KBJE - 1680 : construction permit data for daytime operation=20 MONROE , LA Coordinates: N322724 W0920106 View location. Class: 0B | Nominal power: 10.00 kw | RMS: 0309.46 | Antenna: ND1=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #1: Electrical height: 090.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #2: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Tower #3: Electrical height: 000.0 degrees=20 Tower is top loaded (0).=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- File # BP970616BJ This station operates on an unlimited schedule.=20 EXPANDED BAND APPLICATION FOR KMLB=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Questions or comments? Contact Elliott Broadcast Services at: ebs@radiostat= ion.com. Check out the SBE (Society of Broadcast Engineers) web site. This search was last used by and...=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Aug 14 08:28:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Aug 2002 15:28:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 87237 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2002 15:28:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2002 15:28:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.ion-network.com) (63.175.110.11) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2002 15:28:38 -0000 Received: from keva [63.175.110.110] by mail.ion-network.com (SMTPD32-7.10) id AE1B3A80028; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:27:23 -0600 Message-ID: <002801c243a7$144598a0$0701010a@keva> To: References: <183.c9e6533.2a8a9cc2@aol.com> <3D59D804.936B58C5@skyweb.net> <003601c2439c$cdd8eca0$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> Subject: KEVA 1240 AM Stereo Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:27:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Morning Gents.... Things are still going good here at this end. Ya know, I think I have a new theory. I think an engineer should do an actual board shift.....then he can hear and see all the little quirks and bugs with things. There's still some stuff that's bugging me....only because I'm a perfectionist. Grant it....we ARE stereo...it DOES sound wonderful...but there's a thing or two that could use some attention. I still think there's problems with that card in the exciter. I've exercised and cleaned all the switchs and pots and it still appears the left channel has some problems. On the modulation monitor I can hear some a little "hiss" on the left channel.......I can hear it in my car too. I'm still having to run it with one of the switches off and one of them on......then both switches on for the right channel. Again...these are all EQ settings on the card. I just a soon have all the EQ settings set to "OUT" and not use any of it. The CRL processors do PLENTY of processing and EQ. Only thing is....when I switch them all to "OUT" then I seem to lose the stereo.....or just about. Like there's hardly any separation at all. I know there's probably some componants or parts that should be replaced and fixed on that card. Just don't know that I have the knowledge to do it and if there's availability on parts and stuff with Motorola being out of the exciter AMS business. I'll keep tweaking around with it and see what happens. Any thoughts or suggestions are appreciated. Like I said....it's not bad at all...it IS stereo and sounds pretty good :) MJR n WYO From mychucky@funport.net Wed Aug 14 08:40:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mychucky@funport.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Aug 2002 15:40:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 97611 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2002 15:40:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2002 15:40:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.funport.com) (216.199.19.6) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2002 15:40:16 -0000 Received: from FatMusic2000 ([]) by mail.funport.com (Merak 5.0.2) with SMTP id JFB36580 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:39:00 -0400 Message-ID: <009801c243a9$65e8ba00$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> To: References: <183.c9e6533.2a8a9cc2@aol.com> <3D59D804.936B58C5@skyweb.net> <003601c2439c$cdd8eca0$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> <002801c243a7$144598a0$0701010a@keva> Subject: Re: {AMSF} KEVA 1240 AM Stereo Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:43:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85836819 X-Yahoo-Profile: mychucky1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Bud, First swap the left and right to be SURE that it is not something coming into the exciter. When the left channel is disconnected is the hiss still there? Next STOP cleaning and exercising switches. Before you break something. Do you have a scope? Do you have an audio generator Do you have the service manual. Then we can get to the bottom of it. Call me if you want.........1.904.680.1101 WXGV Jacksonville Florida Regards Chuck www.stereoam.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael J. Richard To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 11:27 AM Subject: {AMSF} KEVA 1240 AM Stereo Morning Gents.... Things are still going good here at this end. Ya know, I think I have a new theory. I think an engineer should do an actual board shift.....then he can hear and see all the little quirks and bugs with things. There's still some stuff that's bugging me....only because I'm a perfectionist. Grant it....we ARE stereo...it DOES sound wonderful...but there's a thing or two that could use some attention. I still think there's problems with that card in the exciter. I've exercised and cleaned all the switchs and pots and it still appears the left channel has some problems. On the modulation monitor I can hear some a little "hiss" on the left channel.......I can hear it in my car too. I'm still having to run it with one of the switches off and one of them on......then both switches on for the right channel. Again...these are all EQ settings on the card. I just a soon have all the EQ settings set to "OUT" and not use any of it. The CRL processors do PLENTY of processing and EQ. Only thing is....when I switch them all to "OUT" then I seem to lose the stereo.....or just about. Like there's hardly any separation at all. I know there's probably some componants or parts that should be replaced and fixed on that card. Just don't know that I have the knowledge to do it and if there's availability on parts and stuff with Motorola being out of the exciter AMS business. I'll keep tweaking around with it and see what happens. Any thoughts or suggestions are appreciated. Like I said....it's not bad at all...it IS stereo and sounds pretty good :) MJR n WYO Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Wed Aug 14 08:48:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Aug 2002 15:48:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 16034 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2002 15:48:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2002 15:48:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2002 15:48:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2002 15:48:25 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:48:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT: First Stereo TV transmissions in Australia ? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 279 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" X-Originating-IP: 217.148.40.126 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Does anyone know anything definate ? What programmes, channels and conerage (transmitters) etc ? Apparently as early as 1983 or 1984 Oz started showing progs with full stereo and quite a few also... The UK had to wait as late as 1990 for an official switch on for stereo :-( From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Aug 14 09:11:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Aug 2002 16:11:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 78066 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2002 16:11:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2002 16:11:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.ion-network.com) (63.175.110.11) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2002 16:11:25 -0000 Received: from keva [63.175.110.110] by mail.ion-network.com (SMTPD32-7.10) id A8239EA002A; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:10:11 -0600 Message-ID: <003001c243ad$07c5c540$0701010a@keva> To: References: <183.c9e6533.2a8a9cc2@aol.com> <3D59D804.936B58C5@skyweb.net> <003601c2439c$cdd8eca0$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> <002801c243a7$144598a0$0701010a@keva> <009801c243a9$65e8ba00$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> Subject: Re: {AMSF} KEVA 1240 AM Stereo Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:09:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LOL!!! I hear THAT! I HAVE been known to be a little more towards overkill when it comes to cleaning and fixing and over-do it and break something :) No I don't have a scope or audio generator. I have the manuals for the exciter. Don't know if it's the "service" manual or not....but it's THE manual for it. All schematics for all cards are included. I know....I can't be an engineer without a scope. I guess that's why I never claimed to be an engineer :) I'll swap the channels and see what happens, although I'm pretty sure that's it. I've listened directly to the output off of the processing and it's totally clean. Meanwhile my other problem.....and I'm pretty sure I know the answer to this one.....getting some hum coming off of our Arrakis Turbo 150SC board. When all the pots are turned off, there's no hum. But the more pots ya turn on, the more hum there is. For those that know this board, it's electronically controlled and switched with IC's....no audio actually goes through the rotary pots themselves. Anyways... I know....check the capacitors on the power supply, right? Kinda figured that one out meself. This is a turbo 150SC MONO console. Well in the manual even Arrakis says it's built as stereo....and we've always known that it is stereo and we've always wired it stereo. Just that they only mounted one VU meter on it. Well we have a spare console just like it that I took the VU meter off of and this board now has 2 vu meters :) Everything else on that board is and always has been stereo, so it wasn't too hard to do, and I knew we could go stereo with it. MJR n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: mychucky@funport.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 9:43 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} KEVA 1240 AM Stereo Hey Bud, First swap the left and right to be SURE that it is not something coming into the exciter. When the left channel is disconnected is the hiss still there? Next STOP cleaning and exercising switches. Before you break something. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Wed Aug 14 12:03:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Aug 2002 19:03:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 27119 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2002 19:03:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2002 19:03:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2002 19:03:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2002 19:03:51 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:03:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Sanyo LA1266 Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 438 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 192.35.232.241 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Hello, At this point I'm convinced that the Sanyo LA1266 AM/FM chip is *not* the IC of choice for designing a decent AM tuner. It is plagued with a 2xIF problem. Besides my Teac T-H500 that uses the IC my JVC RX-701 receiver utilizes the IC as well. The problem is the same. My cheap, Sangean DT-110 (3V AM/FM/MPX on a Toshiba TA8122) will run *rings* around the LA1266 circuit as far as AM is concerned. Best regards, Paul Bigelow From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Aug 14 13:13:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Aug 2002 20:13:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 68981 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2002 20:13:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2002 20:13:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2002 20:13:32 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn26.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.30]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:13:31 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Sanyo LA1266 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:13:27 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What about these AM/FM chip tuners? Are they convertable? I seem to have seen many of them in many different "analog" tuned radios, boomboxes, and such. AM and FM on the same chip. Can they be converted? Can anything (such as the capacitor trick) be done for widening up the bandwidth a bit? Having gone AM Stereo here now, I really want to start spreding the word the I can convert many radios to AM Stereo. Just want to make sure that I CAN before I start telling everyone that I CAN :) MJR n wyo -----Original Message----- From: pabigelow [mailto:pbigelow@us.ibm.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 1:04 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Sanyo LA1266 Hello, At this point I'm convinced that the Sanyo LA1266 AM/FM chip is *not* the IC of choice for designing a decent AM tuner. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Wed Aug 14 14:07:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Aug 2002 21:07:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 88361 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2002 21:07:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2002 21:07:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2002 21:07:24 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g7ELDblw005718 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:13:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D5AC5B8.CF465BF9@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:03:52 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WooHoo!! References: <183.c9e6533.2a8a9cc2@aol.com> <3D59D804.936B58C5@skyweb.net> <003601c2439c$cdd8eca0$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Interesting.. Don't believe the Elliot broadcast services data base They don't Issue the licenses Only the FCC data base shows WHO is actually Licensed To be on the Air, but of course you knew that. anyway the FCC data base only shows only 6 Stations on 1680 and I'm one of them. Im getting swamped by 2 of them because they are not powering down. In This corner weighing in at 10 kW WTIR and in This Corner weighing in at 10 kW WJNZ... Im the Ref getting killed in the middle at 1 kW Neal From dav259@csiro.au Wed Aug 14 16:41:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Aug 2002 23:41:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 37445 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2002 23:41:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2002 23:41:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2002 23:41:50 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7ENfmq10901 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:41:48 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:41:48 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: First Stereo TV transmissions in Australia ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, amstereofan wrote: > Does anyone know anything definate ? What programmes, channels and > conerage (transmitters) etc ? Apparently as early as 1983 or 1984 Oz > started showing progs with full stereo and quite a few also... Dave - stereo TV seemed to arrive in the early eighties about the same time as VCRs became very popular. As far as I know pretty well all metro and regional TV stations transmit in stereo. The only ones that don't are the metro community TV stations that literally run on the smell of an oily rag. Our local community station doesn't have a test pattern - it has a camera focussed on a fishtank - and is called in the TV guides "Fishcam". It's quite relaxing to watch. :) > The UK had to wait as late as 1990 for an official switch on for > stereo :-( That's strange - in most things electronic you lot are way ahead of us. Ian From dav259@csiro.au Wed Aug 14 17:03:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Aug 2002 00:03:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 8436 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2002 00:03:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2002 00:03:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2002 00:03:54 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7F03rq11951 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:03:53 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:03:53 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT Rant on Noncommercial Radio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public I thought NPR was government funded - topped up by public donations. Who exactly ... 1. owns 2. controls 3. funds NPR radio? Ian From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Wed Aug 14 17:50:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Aug 2002 00:50:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 37139 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2002 00:50:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2002 00:50:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.94) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2002 00:50:23 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:50:23 -0700 Received: from 209.240.222.130 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 00:50:23 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT Rant on Noncommercial Radio Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 00:50:23 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Aug 2002 00:50:23.0577 (UTC) FILETIME=[BCF13C90:01C243F5] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.222.130] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Ian, I just went to the NPR.org website to see if they had an answer to your question on the "about NPR" page of the web site; they didn't go in to funding. The did indicate that Congress created NPR in 1970 and at that time I believe it was either fully funded or almost fully funded by tax dollars. Then in the 1980's with deregulation and people saying they wanted less government, NPR funded was cut, to the point that now when our local NPR station here does their pledge drive, they say that less than 15 percent of their funding comes from the federal government, I believe they might receive some funding from the state government, but of course that can very from state to state. Most funding now comes from donations (they have dreadful fund raising drives several times a year, and they usually last a week to 10 days for each drive) and Corporate grants, and these Corporate Grant announcements are becoming more frequent and sounding more like commercials every day. donn st petersburg Ian, from down-under wrote: >I thought NPR was government funded - >topped up by public donations. >Who exactly ... 1. owns 2. controls 3. funds NPR radio? Ian _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From fanfare@globility.com Wed Aug 14 19:12:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Aug 2002 02:12:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 95343 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2002 02:12:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2002 02:12:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO columbus.globility.com) (205.189.152.11) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2002 02:12:24 -0000 Received: from FAN-2-PJS (dynamic-b3-61.highspeed.eol.ca [64.56.235.61]) by columbus.globility.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7F2CNK25907 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 22:12:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200208142212240311.0017FC71@mail.globility.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 22:12:24 -0400 To: "Kevin Tekel" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: First Stereo TV transmissions in Australia ? Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Marv Southcott" Reply-To: fanfare@globility.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The CBC in Canada did not transmit TV in stereo either at the start. And I don't know that they do so yet. Their "CBC Radio One" in Toronto is mono FM as well. M. . *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 8/15/2002 at 9:41 AM Ian Davidson wrote: On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, amstereofan wrote: > Does anyone know anything definate ? What programmes, channels and > conerage (transmitters) etc ? Apparently as early as 1983 or 1984 Oz > started showing progs with full stereo and quite a few also... Dave - stereo TV seemed to arrive in the early eighties about the same time as VCRs became very popular. As far as I know pretty well all metro and regional TV stations transmit in stereo. The only ones that don't are the metro community TV stations that literally run on the smell of an oily rag. Our local community station doesn't have a test pattern - it has a camera focussed on a fishtank - and is called in the TV guides "Fishcam". It's quite relaxing to watch. :) > The UK had to wait as late as 1990 for an official switch on for > stereo :-( That's strange - in most things electronic you lot are way ahead of us. Ian Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Aug 14 19:47:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Aug 2002 02:47:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 43157 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2002 02:47:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2002 02:47:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2002 02:47:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2002 02:47:40 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 02:47:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OK guys Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1622 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.14 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Fellas, I think it is time to start getting back to the topic of AM Stereo again. It both saddens and angers me to see that a member of this Forum has unsubscribed because of the recent off-topic discussions. I try to keep this group as unrestricted as possible, but when we start losing members because of the topics being discussed, that is where I draw the line. I am proud that this is the most popular and most active discussion group for AM Stereo that has ever been on the Internet -- and I want to keep it that way. As part of that objective, I have a very low tolerance for "bashing", whether it be Clear Channel bashing, religious broadcaster bashing, or whatever. Thus, messages that serve no purpose other than to "bash", or to propagate discussions based on "bashing", will be deleted from the message archives. This does not mean that I don't think the complaints being expressed are legitimate and worthy of attention -- usually they are! -- however, there are better places to do so than here in the AM Stereo Forum, especially since you never know who might be seeing these messages. For example, it is a fact that employees of Clear Channel have monitored this Forum, and while I'm not asking you all to walk on eggshells and censor yourselves just to please a few random "lurkers", the rules of personal respect and relevance to the topic of AM Stereo do apply. Thank you to all the members here for your support and understanding. If you have any questions or concerns, please contact me privately via e-mail. Kevin Tekel kevtronics@yahoo.com Sysop of The AM Stereo Forum From fanfare@globility.com Wed Aug 14 20:07:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Aug 2002 03:07:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 49366 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2002 03:07:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2002 03:07:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2002 03:07:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2002 03:07:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 03:07:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: The original topic Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 242 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amfmguy" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.235.61 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy Not to make light of all the views that have been aired here recently, but perhaps we can continue to urge all AM's, regardless of their format, to become AMS-compliant. That way we can be assured of hearing both sides of the story. M. From n0uiheric@aol.com Wed Aug 14 23:02:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Aug 2002 06:02:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 98471 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2002 06:02:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2002 06:02:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.4) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2002 06:02:26 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id r.199.b716cdb (3850) for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 02:02:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199.b716cdb.2a8c9ded@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 02:02:21 EDT Subject: OT: College, Christian and Public Radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih JNR, for one thing, NBC no longer owns radio stations. They were divested in the late 1980s because General Electric couldn't get a waiver from the FCC to keep the radio stations. Of the AM stations they were forced to divest, two are now owned by Infinity Broadcasting (WFAN, the former WNBC, and WSCR, the former WMAQ), one by Susquehanna (KNBR) and one by Communist Channel (WTEM, the former WRC). NBC is now a TV-only company, owning stations in New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Philadelphia, Miami and Washington, DC (among others). Second, there's one thing that makes most listeners squeamish about Christian radio. They're primarily oriented to Protestants. The Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod and Roman Catholic Church has had to start seperate formats because they have not been allowed to air their outreach ministries on Christian stations (many of which are controlled by Southern Baptists). The Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod has been producing radio programs since 1924 and television programs since the early 1950s, while the Catholic Church has only had a large presence on U.S. radio and television in the last two decades (with the establishment of the Eternal Word Television Network, or EWTN, in 1981). The one thing many of us don't understand about Christian radio is that they're designed to be OUTREACH ministries. They reach out to the Christian communities that make up 96% of the U.S. population. Third, such stations aren't really RELIGIOUS radio stations. Arbitron put that in to confuse us. If a radio station is TRULY RELIGIOUS, then they must offer air time to other "mainline" religions (such as non-radical Judaism, Islam, or other Christian faiths, such as the Russian or Greek Orthodox faiths). If they only allow Protestant denominations to have access to air time, then they should be termed "Christian". And Christian radio has suffered from the same fragmentation as commercial radio; there are now Christian formats for every demographic, from Contemporary Christian (for our youth) to Christian Talk. However, the fragmentation of Christian radio has been far more successful (and more profitable) than that of commercial radio. Fourth, corporate entities like Clear Channel SHOULD NOT be owning Christian radio stations. It should be companies committed to Christian radio as an outreach, not as a "profit center". It's companies like Bott Broadcasting (who primarily sends it's "Bott Radio Network" to it's FM stations, while the AMs mix up local and syndicated programming) and even local churches that should be the only ones owning Christian radio stations. As for NPR, I think it would have been better if 92-97 MHz and/or 540-900 kHz had been set aside for this purpose. Sure, they were afraid of LPFM; but most of the LPFM stations (all in rural areas) have been given spots in the COMMERCIAL FM band. NPR is required to air both sides of various issues; most commercial stations only air the extreme left or extreme right wing side of an issue; there are no "middle of the road" opinions on commercial radio. I would rather listen to "Morning Edition", "Fresh Air" and "All Things Considered" rather than the sickening sex-driven sleaze of Howard Stern, the lunatic ravings of Rush Limbaugh, or the psychobabble of Dr. Laura. Commercial radio insults our intelligence; NPR respects it. Although the largest of the public radio groups is Minnesota Public Radio, they don't own or LMA quite as many stations as Communist Channel. St. Louis has largely bucked the trend for your complaint. For instance, when Bott purchased KSLH 91.5 from the St. Louis Public Schools in 1996, Bott was able to finally act on a CP that was granted to the previous owner back in the 1980s; jacking up power from 12.5 to 100 kW. The station finally went Stereo as KSIV-FM. When the New Life Evangelistic Center put on WCBW-FM in East St. Louis, IL on 89.7, they had to keep the power low to protect co-channel KYMC in Ballwin, MO (25 miles west). It was the same way when NLEC put KNLH on the air at 89.5 MHz in Cedar Hill, MO (to protect a college radio station in Ferguson, MO and a community radio station in Columbia, MO). When KCWA signed on in Arnold, MO on 89.9 MHz in the late 1980s, it also had to protect an existing station in Godfrey, IL. (The station has since become KGNA, simulcasting co-channel KGNV in Washington, MO.) Most of the local college radio stations have remained largely intact (exept for power increases over the years). St. Louis has been largely devoid of a Contemporary Christian format since Jacor bought the old WCBW (on 104.9) in 1997; I have to depend on WIBI (91.1 FM) in Carlinville, IL for this type of music. Listeners south and northwest of the immediate area can also get "Joy FM" on 97.7 from Potosi, MO or 94.1 from Bowling Green, MO. Many commercial radio programmers don't believe that college and Christian radio is a useful training ground for on-air talent anymore; it is the use of college and Christian radio as a training ground for on-air talent that I have a major disagreement with commercial radio about. If commercial operators don't use college and Christian radio as a source for new talent (in on-air, sales and engineering positions, for example), then commercial radio will die from a lack of new blood. And this is behind the bogus claim by commercial radio that "the talent pool is shrinking". We should be promoting more public and Christian radio, not more corporate radio. In my version of "a perfect world": Clear Channel would be out of the picture for questionable business practices Corporate radio would be clamped down upon heavily for using heavy-handed practices and embracing negative attitudes Shock jocks like Howard Stern would be off the air PERMANENTLY An FM scheme like this: 88-92 MHz-College Radio 92-97 MHz-Public and Christian Radio 97-100 MHz-LPFM 100-108 MHz-Commercial An AM scheme like this: 530 and 1710 kHz-Traveler's Information 540-690 kHz-College Radio (STEREO REQUIRED) 700-1000 kHz-Public and Christian Radio (STEREO REQUIRED) 1100-1500 kHz-Commercial (STEREO REQUIRED only for music stations) 1500-1700 kHz-Public and College Radio (STEREO REQUIRED) Anyone with an anti-NPR and an anti-Christian bias should be OUT OF THE RADIO BUSINESS permanently. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Aug 15 00:49:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Aug 2002 07:48:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 77926 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2002 07:48:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2002 07:48:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2002 07:48:59 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.48]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 03:46:58 -0400 Message-ID: <003701c24430$39fb88a0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} OK guys Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 03:49:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I agree Kevin- I. for one, would love to see some of our technically able members work with me in solving the current car radio problems. I have bought several models over the past several weeks, as well as some that people have sent me to convert. All is NOT well here. It seems the front ends of all of these radios are plauged by horrid front ends. I am not talking about the IF stage and low bandwidth. THAT is easy enough to correct. The problem is the RF area is just plain terrible. The factory radios seem to be OK, but all of the after market radios seem to have added AM as an afterthought. Overloading is terrible.Double spot tuning is bad in metro areas. The RF preamp stages are gone. What we have to come up with is an improvement to existing aftermarket radios that will allow them to be converted. I need ideas. I also would love to see someone else join in and try some hands-on experimenting. Chris From dav259@csiro.au Thu Aug 15 01:44:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Aug 2002 08:44:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 28592 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2002 08:44:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2002 08:44:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2002 08:44:05 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7F8i3q09393 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:44:03 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:44:03 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: The Oz Report?? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public An interesting day on the list ... sometimes it's real nice to live in Oz. Most Aussies have gone pretty quiet on the list lately. Who's still here? Can we have a report of which Oz stations are doing what? I know the two Matts of Brissie are still here - and congrats to Matt2 (Voltare) for answering your critics on the Oz Google board. You are so right! Posters can and do say anything in their perceived anonymity. Keep punching - and fight the good fight. There are some even on this list who almost get away with being anonymous. Samuel, Marc, Alex B, Geoff in Cooma - are you still here? What's happening with 2CC and 2CA? And btw - where is Kit? Hopefully back near the Rockies where your heart is - but the last we saw was your submission to the FCC re IBOC. I miss you. Let's have a few reports from those who seem to have gone a bit quiet. Just an "I'm still here" would be tikitiboo. Ian IAAAS Network News Melbourne From mychucky@funport.net Thu Aug 15 06:51:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mychucky@funport.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Aug 2002 13:51:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 4829 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2002 13:51:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2002 13:51:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.funport.com) (216.199.19.6) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2002 13:51:26 -0000 Received: from FatMusic2000 ([]) by mail.funport.com (Merak 5.0.2) with SMTP id JFB36580 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:50:15 -0400 Message-ID: <003401c24463$47f58900$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> To: References: <20020814204642.8259.qmail@web11708.mail.yahoo.com> <3D5AC84D.60FD0281@skyweb.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Skip Pizzi on IBOC-DAB/Religious Radio Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:54:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85836819 X-Yahoo-Profile: mychucky1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh good grief, here I am again weighing in on an issue.. First why not Jewish Broadcasting? Consider this: The Jewish population are not out to win converts. They don't want converts. They are not necessarily racist, however they don't want a congregation that is not directly related by blood to the ancient tribes. The Christian religious stations need your MONEY, to do that they need your attention. Once they get your money they have to pay taxes on it or build more stations to get more money. Meanwhile they are supporting their families etc....... Granted some of them are out to save your souls and all of them would have you believe that, but in the meantime they are raking in a LOT of money. So who's side am I on? Neither side Just commenting Good Morning Everyone Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Neal Newman To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 5:14 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Skip Pizzi on IBOC-DAB/Religious Radio WOW Glad I don't live Down there.... I know why there are so many religious stations down there... BUSH is Governor. with all the election B.S. they need all the Prayers they can get. but what really Gets me is Florida has a HUGE Jewish population You know all the Retired New Yorkers. Ill bet non of them have 24/7 jewish religious programming... The reason for all the christian program is all the Cubans.. Oh that's Miami heheheh I heard Jesus Christo lives In Jacksonville.. neal JNR wrote: > OK, I don't know if you're agreeing with me or > pissed at me. > > What I do NOT want are these people coming into > my market and buying up all of the college and > high school stations and combining them into one > super-powered non-comm F.M. asking for your $$$ > all the time while they don't have much, or any, > local content. They just want to be in every > market available, be on every available > frequency, and that is SICK! There is a > difference between N.B.C. and these non-comm > religious CHAINS. NBC is a commercial entity > which only owns a certain amount of their > stations and certainly doesn't program each one > 24/7. N.B.C. stations do have some local content > and some syndicated content, not N.B.C. doing a > generic newscast. These religious chains put up > stations with so much power as to make sure NO > college or community group can put up anything > close to it on the dial. Same thing with those > scumbags at N.P.R. who I REALLY have it in for. > They try to put up so many 100kW stations as > possible when they only maybe need a class A > facility at most. Why does American Family Radio > need THREE stations in Tupelo, Mississippi > (WAFR/88.3 at 75kW @492', WAQB/90.9 at 9.5kW @ > 426' and WAJS/91.7 at 23kW @ 505')plus another in > nearby Starkeville? (WJZB/88.9 at 430W @ 243' > with an application to go to 88.7 at 600W @ 243') > You're telling me that's NOT an excess? I don't > know of any local-origination college station or > local-origination community station doing that! > > In a perfect world, 88-92 would look like this: > > NO TRANSLATORS > ONE STATION PER MARKET > Maximum power allowed: 6kW @ 328' (Class A) > No network feeds unless the are A. News, B. Also > produced by the same type of people enrolled in > the said educational institution (An > Intercollegiate Broadcasting Network for > example). > Colleges and high school stations have first > pick. > > N.P.R. to be punished for not supporting LPFM, > and for screwing up the original Class D licenses > back in 1978. A crowded band is a GREAT thing! > More choices! > > You know why I have this thing against N.P.R. > (worse offenders) and religious chains? They are > spectrum hogs and are trying to do programming > nationally that should be done locally. Did you > know that in the Jacksonville Metro area there > were no college stations (except one doing EZ > listening) until WFCF/88.5-St. Augustine signed > on in 1993. What was on 88-92? Good question. > Answer: (with translators on 92-108!) > > 88.1/WNCM-FM: Local Religious [Jax.] > 88.3/W: Religion. [Starke] > 88.5/WFCF: Flagler College Radio. Eclectic. > Heard in South Jax as well. [St. Augustine] > 88.7/WJFR: Family Radio Rebroadcaster (Class A > then, now C3) [Jax.] > 89.3/WECC-FM: Religion. [Folkston, Ga.]. New > 3/02. > 89.9/WJCT-FM:N.P.R. Yakker now that caused > controversy when it dropped Classical music. A > real yawner. 100kW. [Jax.] > 90.9/WKTZ-FM: EZ Listening. No, really- it's a > dinosaur: an elevator music station. 50kW. > [Jax.] > 91.3/WHIF: Religion. [Palatka]. > 91.7/WNLE: Relgious. [Fernandina Beach] > 91.9/WAYL: Religious A.C.. Mostly voicetracked. > 5kW. [St. Augustine]. > 94.3/W232: See WAYL. [Jax.] OFF AIR. > 100.3/W262: See WAYL. {Orange Park}. > 103.7/W279: See WNCM-FM. [Jax. Beach]. You can > hear 88.1 in Jax Beach! Why is this even > on???!!! > > Other AM & FM religous stations heard in the Jax > Metro: (All A.M.s are, of course, MONO). > > 550/WAYR "Way Radio": > 1010/WIOJ > 1050/WROS "The Rose": Religious country music. > 1280/WSVE > 1360/WCGL: Gospel. Actually, I guess Black > Gospel. I didn't know there was such a thing as > WHITE Gospel. > 1400/WZAZ: Gospel owned by Clear Channel, er I > mean Concord! Yes, that's it! Concord! > 1530/WOBS: Not even sure if they're on. > 1600/WQOP: Catholic. > 106.5/WBGB: Religious Top 40. Co-owned w/ WZAZ. > > Grand total of religious stations in the Jax > metro (fully and partially heard): 22! > > Total of college stations: 2! > > Total # of community stations: 0! > > You know how many in R.I. (my homestate and where > I live now): 1 full time commercial A.M. and one > part-time commercial A.M.. See why this gets me! > Where can the students learn??? Where are their > voices? High school and college radio is such a > rare and beautiful thing. Sure, they're sloppy > but they're learning while actually being on the > air (carrier current and cable do not count!) > while serving the community. Community stations > in general serve the underserved and there was > NONE of that in Jacksonville when I was there > (8/97-3/02). Plenty of flippin' Gators and > Jaguars talk though! To quote Charlie Brown: > AUUGH! > > So, that is my bias: not anti-Christian but > anti-Wal-Mart radio. Maybe if those stations > weren't lazy and actually took the time to hear > what their community really wanted instead of > going off the bird they wouldn't be so stale. To > all non-comm F.M.s (and the few A.M.s): STOP > FOLLOWING THE COMMERCIAL RADIO MOLD (and it IS > MOLDY)! Commercial radio itself is stale and > stagnant. I know because I've worked for Clear > Channel (never got anywhere there), and I love > and listen to radio (as much as I can stand to > anyway). If you do adopt a commercial format, > then do it differently but try to put out the > best product possible! DON'T BE LAZY! > > Now I'm going to stick a wire antenna out my > window and TRY to pick up an A.M. stereo station. > > >From A.M.S.-free Rhode Island, > 73! > Jay,N1WVQ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT [Image] > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mychucky@funport.net Thu Aug 15 06:56:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mychucky@funport.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Aug 2002 13:56:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 8670 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2002 13:56:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2002 13:56:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.funport.com) (216.199.19.6) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2002 13:56:37 -0000 Received: from FatMusic2000 ([]) by mail.funport.com (Merak 5.0.2) with SMTP id JFB36580 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:55:28 -0400 Message-ID: <003c01c24464$02022ab0$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Skip Pizzi on IBOC-DAB/Religious Radio Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:59:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85836819 X-Yahoo-Profile: mychucky1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The UPS driver always leaves the religious station blaring from his radio in his truck as he takes an hour delivering his goods to the 12 floors of the building I am in ........Yeeeeesssss I am in Jacksonville Florida. The station I work for rents tower space to WAYL ....it was purchased just a few months ago from a church in St. Augustine by a big national religious concern and cranks out the normal/same drivel that it's Jacksonville sister spits out. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael J. Richard To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 6:11 PM Subject: RE: {AMSF} Skip Pizzi on IBOC-DAB/Religious Radio I've always felt myself that NOBODY listens to all that stuff anyway. I grin when I imagine mr. joe blow travellin' down the road listening to this religious stuff and the expression on his face when he screams out "Hallelujah!!!!".....much less the expression on the face of the person that's in the lane next to him. MJR -----Original Message----- From: Neal Newman [mailto:groucho@skyweb.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 3:15 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Skip Pizzi on IBOC-DAB/Religious Radio WOW Glad I don't live Down there.... I know why there are so many religious stations down there... BUSH is Governor. with all the election B.S. they need all the Prayers they can get. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Thu Aug 15 09:55:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Aug 2002 16:55:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 15973 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2002 16:55:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2002 16:55:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r01.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.97) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2002 16:55:54 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id r.fd.1c49bb10 (16781) for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:55:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:55:45 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} OK guys To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 8/15/02 3:49:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ccuff@in4web.com writes: << The problem is the RF area is just plain terrible. The factory radios seem to be OK, but all of the after market radios seem to have added AM as an afterthought. Overloading is terrible.Double spot tuning is bad in metro areas. The RF preamp stages are gone. What we have to come up with is an improvement to existing aftermarket radios that will allow them to be converted. I need ideas. I also would love to see someone else join in and try some hands-on experimenting. Chris >> I've noticed that as well. The radios in my 98 Nissan Sentra and 99 Ford Tararus all suffer on AM anytime I drive past a powerful FM station.....we're talking major desensing here.Even passing by a strong AM will knock out another AM station on the other end of the dial.Without the tuned RF stages...I not sure how to correct this mess. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Aug 15 10:04:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Aug 2002 17:04:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 87651 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2002 17:04:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2002 17:04:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11701.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2002 17:04:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20020815170415.55149.qmail@web11701.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.35.27] by web11701.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:04:15 PDT Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:04:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: {AMSF} N.P.R. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio N.P.R. is owned by itself but is funded in part by our tax dollars (through the "Corporation for Public Broadcasting" a.k.a. "C.P.B.." It is weird how it operates. Every hour when they announce it on P.B.S., they are a "Private corporation partly funded by the American People" or something like that)as well as corporate contributions and private donations. As for who controls N.P.R., there are several theories: liberals, socialists, elitists, arts-and-croissants crowd, etc.. I never tune by them long enough to see if I can detect a bias. It just sounds BOOORING to my ears. The only good program I think I've ever heard them do was in August 1998 on the then-proposed L.P.F.M. and pirate radio. My fear is that the U.S. Government will get involved with broadcasting to its citizens. We, of course, have V.O.A. which as I understand actually does a great job at reporting news fairly, but they don't broadcast to us- they go outside the U.S.. I hope to never hear N.P.R. be a state broadcaster, such as Radio Moscow was (was that its name? I was 12 when the cold war ended in 1991). 73, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Thu Aug 15 10:04:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Aug 2002 17:04:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 23107 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2002 17:04:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2002 17:04:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2002 17:04:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2002 17:04:47 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:04:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OK guys Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003701c24430$39fb88a0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3177 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 192.35.232.241 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Hello, Darn right about front ends. Thus my posting concerning the Sanyo LA1266. While proper antenna impedence matching is a big piece of the puzzle, more attention needs to placed on the design of quality front ends (this includes FM as well). I'm not talking about designing every AM tuner like a high dollar communications receiver but there have been better IC's "out there" for designing AM tuners. The LA1266 is my case in point. No doubt the combination AM/FM aspects of this IC make it very attractive to manufactuers but the AM section is poor. As best I can tell even the mediocre AM-only chips provide better performance. To me what makes it a shame is there there have been ICs with balanced mixers that could have been used for superior AM reception. One older tuner that has really impressed me with AM performace is the analog-tuned Technics ST-8600: sensitive, selective, resistant to images and frequency-linear. Haven't converted it to CQUAM yet but it should be a winner when converted. Still, I have found that even in the worst of tuners, when carefully and properly aligned, performance can be improved. I guess what these radios need is a well made, varactor tuned, toroid (or pot core) preselector. These broadly tuned front ends are just begging for trouble with these low voltage/low current RF amps and mixers. A good preselector should help. Another option would be to develop a small board of switchable bandpass filters. I would think this idea would be too difficult to implement. To me, the only other option would be to develop a new AM front end (RF and IF)using a superior IC that would replace the original circuit. Grab the signal at the antenna input, use the new front end, tap the varactor tuning voltage, plug the new RF/IF module into Chris' C-QUAM decoder and route back into the audio circuits. At that point the radio is a new radio. It would be nice if superior circuits were used to begin with. I wonder if the receiver manufacturers are aware of the superior ICs or if they are just using what the manufacturing representatives are suggesting? Best regards, Paul Bigelow --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Christopher Cuff" wrote: > I agree Kevin- I. for one, would love to see some of our technically able > members work with me in solving the current car radio problems. > I have bought several models over the past several weeks, as well as some > that people have sent me to convert. All is NOT well here. > It seems the front ends of all of these radios are plauged by horrid front > ends. I am not talking about the IF stage and low bandwidth. THAT is easy > enough to correct. > The problem is the RF area is just plain terrible. The factory radios seem > to be OK, but all of the after market radios seem to have added AM as an > afterthought. Overloading is terrible.Double spot tuning is bad in metro > areas. The RF preamp stages are gone. > What we have to come up with is an improvement to existing aftermarket > radios that will allow them to be converted. > I need ideas. I also would love to see someone else join in and try some > hands-on experimenting. > Chris From KC4QLP@aol.com Thu Aug 15 10:15:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Aug 2002 17:15:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 16072 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2002 17:15:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2002 17:15:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.34) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2002 17:15:53 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id r.b0.2b1d5837 (16781) for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:15:46 EDT Subject: 700 WLW testing IBOC this week To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Has anyone caught the testing of IBOC on 700 WLW and noted any interference issues?I'm thinking testing on WOR 710 will be soon. Looking at another list...this is what someone heard last night...their comments: "amfmtvdx-admin@mailman.qth.net" "Awful! Checked Aug 15 at 0457 UT and there was equal noise on 690 and 710 wreaking havoc upon KGGF and KCMO. It would slowly rise and fade, and sometimes apparently go off; since WLW is rock solid here on 700, I doubt the IBOC (obviously really meaning in-band, OFF channel) hash fading was due to propagation. If this is what we have to look forward to, goodbye mediumwave (Glenn Hauser, Enid, OK, DX LISTENING DIGEST)" If you havent heard it....you might want to check it out. If IBOC comes to past....this will be what AM radio will sound like in the analoge world. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Aug 15 10:46:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Aug 2002 17:46:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 17353 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2002 17:46:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2002 17:46:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11708.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2002 17:46:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20020815174602.52213.qmail@web11708.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.35.27] by web11708.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:46:02 PDT Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:46:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Skip Pizzi on IBOC-DAB/Religious Radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <003c01c24464$02022ab0$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio My final thoughts on Non-commercial broadcasting: The definition of "educational" to me implies K-12 schools (private and public), colleges, universities and grad schools. Nothing more. HOWEVER, any 501c3 or other not-for-profit can own a station in the reserved part of the F.M. band or a non-comm A.M. station. They always have been able to. In some places, certain types of programming do not work. Providence had a non-comm religious station around 1950. I think its call was WPTL or something like that. It was first on 90.9MHz (Ch. 215) but moved to 91.5MHz (Ch. 218). It finally folded sometime in the early-mid '50s. Despite the state being something like 60% Catholic, it doesn't work here. Boston only has religious stations because Salem bought a couple. I know N.B.C. doesn't have any radio stations anymore. The original topic was comparing the new style of radio to how network TV has been for years. The best radio news is C.B.S.'s. I don't know why I put that in there. C.B.S. news does sound good though. The old F.M. band at 42-50MHz should be reinstated for non-commercial broadcasting as well as being given an additional 2MHz at 40-42MHz. 200kHz spacing as with F.M.. Maximum power would be 20kW. 40.1-41.9 would be colleges, universities and schools as well as 48.1-49.9, 42.1-42.9 would be low-power, 43.1-43.9 and 47.1-47.9 would be public, 44.1-46.9 would be community stations. This band would be "F.M. A" and 88-108 would be commercial as "F.M. B." As for other broadcasting: A birthday bandscan last Thursday left me with this knowledge: Maine is A.M. Stereo-free. 870/WMTW and its sister station on 1470 are both doing news in mono for the Portland area. They are a radio compliment to WMTW-TV/8. 870 and 1470 were formerly WLAM and WZOU respectivly. 1470 may still be WZOU. News is also heard on WMTW-FM/106.7 in mono. This was WLAM-FM. The 870/1470/106.7 trimulcast were all doing standards before. All of the national talk shows have gotten boring. Maybe that's just because I worked at a talk station for 3 years. WJIB/740-Cambridge, Mass. and WILD/1090-Boston, Mass. are still keeping the flame. Stereo heard last Thursday. Also WINY/1350-Putnam, Ct.. I-BOC? I BALK at the idea! 73, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Aug 15 11:16:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Aug 2002 18:16:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 51170 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2002 18:16:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2002 18:16:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11703.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2002 18:16:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20020815181602.33061.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.35.27] by web11703.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:16:02 PDT Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:16:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: CQ AMS To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20020815174602.52213.qmail@web11708.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio About 7 months ago we were discussing starting an A.M. Stereo net on ham radio. Bob, KC4QLP, suggested using the A.M. mode. I think this would be appropriate. What band can we use? The AM International group lists the AM windows for 160-10Meters. 20-80 would probably be best for stateside nighttime operation, but what about our counterparts in Regions 1 and 3? Please tell your thoughts. We need: band ideas, what day/time should be set? Should we go on different bands on different days? What about tech hams? Is there any way we can go on 6 or 2? I know 10 is dead but it's the only radio I have for HF, and it has AM. I can get a hold of my friend's radio that has the other bands. For 10 I suggest 29.1MHz, but 10 has been dead up here. 73, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Thu Aug 15 11:38:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Aug 2002 18:38:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 92683 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2002 18:38:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2002 18:38:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf06bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.46) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2002 18:38:51 -0000 Received: from juan ([67.34.81.162]) by imf06bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020815184026.FFR11518.imf06bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:40:26 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c2448a$ff58f1f0$af78fea9@juan> To: References: <20020815181602.33061.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} CQ AMS Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:38:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit About 7 months ago we were discussing starting an A.M. Stereo net on ham radio. Bob, KC4QLP, suggested using the A.M. mode. I think this would be appropriate. What band can we use? The AM International group lists the AM windows for 160-10Meters. 20-80 would probably be best for stateside nighttime operation, but what about our counterparts in Regions 1 and 3? Please tell your thoughts. We need: band ideas, what day/time should be set? Should we go on different bands on different days? What about tech hams? Is there any way we can go on 6 or 2? I know 10 is dead but it's the only radio I have for HF, and it has AM. I can get a hold of my friend's radio that has the other bands. For 10 I suggest 29.1MHz, but 10 has been dead up here. 73, Jay,N1WVQ Sounds interesting. I think it would be fun. Juan KB0GXM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Aug 15 11:53:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Aug 2002 18:53:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 76955 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2002 18:53:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2002 18:53:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14206.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2002 18:53:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20020815185333.17723.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:53:33 PDT Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:53:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Since WSM webcasts in stereo, so why not on air? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Since I just can't leave things alone, I tried reasoning with WSM to return to AM stereo again. Here is her/their reply: "Thank you for your message and for expressing your concerns about WSM's stereo signal. You may be interested to know that WSM-AM has upgraded to a new, state-of-the-art transmitter. This has resulted in a stronger and louder signal than before. The acquisition of this transmitter will also enable us to begin testing a new digital broadcasting process for AM radio. Indeed, WSM will be a leader in the development of this exciting new technology. When it is in place, it will allow WSM-AM not only to return to stereo broadcasting, but with a much higher digital quality. The current AM Stereo standard has been abandoned by the industry and radio manufacturers, therefore it is prudent that WSM move forward toward the new, cutting-edge technology. Unfortunately, the trade-off for being able to proceed with digital broadcasting is that the process is incompatible with the older AM Stereo technology. Therefore we are unable to continue broadcasting in AM Stereo. We appreciate your support of WSM-AM. Once complete, we hope you'll agree that having the higher-fidelity, stereo, digital sound will be worth the inconvenience." I always like how they think "louder" AM sound is better, and how IBOC is 'just around the corner' in China somewhere. Well, I tried. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Aug 15 12:52:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Aug 2002 19:52:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 51100 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2002 19:52:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2002 19:52:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2002 19:52:38 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn93.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.97]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:52:38 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} OK guys Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:52:36 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Many apologies for the OT-ness. I didn't mean to egg anyone on...I just cracked a joke about a facial expression. Trying to make everyone laugh. I'm a clown. And as a matter of fact....there are PLENTY of AM Stereo stations out there that run religious programming. Religious programming is one of those things that can still "succeed" on AM these days....and there are a wheelbarrow FULL of AMS stations out there that are religious. I don't care if it's religious, news/talk, nostalgia, country...WHATEVER...the point is...they're still keeping AMS alive :) And Kevin...in my experience I tried several times over time contacting you via private email (kevtronics@yahoo.com) and you didn't respond :( I will hand it to you...You have more patience than I would have ever thought to allow the OT-ness on the religious and NPR and non-commercial radio bashing stuff to go on THIS long. That would be more suitable for a forum based generically on RADIO in general. Not am stereo. Anyways...such is life. Keeping MY stereo pilot lights lit here in Wyoming!!!! Michael J. Richard Evanston, Wyoming USA -----Original Message----- From: kevtronics [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 8:48 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} OK guys Fellas, I think it is time to start getting back to the topic of AM Stereo again. It both saddens and angers me to see that a member of this Forum has unsubscribed because of the recent off-topic discussions. I try to keep this group as unrestricted as possible, but when we start losing members because of the topics being discussed, that is where I draw the line. Thank you to all the members here for your support and understanding. If you have any questions or concerns, please contact me privately via e-mail. Kevin Tekel kevtronics@yahoo.com Sysop of The AM Stereo Forum [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Thu Aug 15 12:54:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Aug 2002 19:54:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 7425 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2002 19:54:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2002 19:54:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d07.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.39) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2002 19:54:16 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id r.76.20d59e92 (4410) for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:54:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <76.20d59e92.2a8d60da@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:54:02 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Since WSM webcasts in stereo, so why not on air? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 8/15/02 2:55:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, toledohamradio@yahoo.com writes: << I always like how they think "louder" AM sound is better, and how IBOC is 'just around the corner' in China somewhere. Well, I tried. >> True Johnny...you tried! The cheif engineer there needs to listen in on these IBOC test on 700 WLW this week. Maybe that will convience them that IBOC amounts to a pile of ICRAP. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From KC4QLP@aol.com Thu Aug 15 13:42:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Aug 2002 20:42:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 8345 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2002 20:42:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2002 20:42:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2002 20:42:00 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id r.3f.1004cae7 (4410) for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:41:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3f.1004cae7.2a8d6c10@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:41:52 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} CQ AMS To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 8/15/02 2:18:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, a1asurfradio@yahoo.com writes: << About 7 months ago we were discussing starting an A.M. Stereo net on ham radio. Bob, KC4QLP, suggested using the A.M. mode. I think this would be appropriate. What band can we use? The AM International group lists the AM windows for 160-10Meters. 20-80 would probably be best for stateside nighttime operation, but what about our counterparts in Regions 1 and 3?>> My thoughts on what bands to use ....80 meters is really crowded....to many SSB ops want to come into the AM window..and this time of the year,the static crashes are so strong that most nights you need at least a 30 db over S9 signal to be heard......so 80 meters night-time could work in the colder months for the lower 48 late in the evenings. If you want to have a daytime net...say like on the weekends or something..and have a near world wide reach....set up shop on 20 meters. <> Thats an idea....but not many people have mulitmode rigs for those bands.2 meters is local...and 6 meters is as reliable for DX openings as 10 meters sometimes...and very unpredictable. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 2/08/2002 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Aug 15 15:06:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Aug 2002 22:06:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 76827 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2002 22:06:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2002 22:06:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2002 22:06:11 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-133.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.133]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g7FM1TkC006595 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:01:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004a01a8f748$0eb706e0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} OK guys Date: Sun, 20 Jan 1980 16:11:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude The radio in my 91 Pathfinder doesn't even have a TRF stage in the front end, so that sort of thing has been going by the wayside for some time. I'd like to challenge some of the thinking here- that there has to be some NEW chip somewhere. There used to be some very good older radios. My idea would be to use some older, well designed modules, pirating the design for our use if nobody makes it anymore. Pirate the front end from radio X, the IF stage from radio Y, add AMS and some stock sudio amplifier chips, and we'd have it made. I'm wondering if anyone makes a quad FET like the old Siliconix Si8909 anymore. That was designed as an active balanced mixer, that could make a front end about as immune to overload as you could possibly imagine. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "pabigelow" > At that point the radio is a new radio. It would be nice if > superior circuits were used to begin with. I wonder if the > receiver manufacturers are aware of the superior ICs or if they > are just using what the manufacturing representatives are suggesting? From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Aug 15 15:09:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Aug 2002 22:09:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 43859 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2002 22:09:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2002 22:09:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2002 22:09:35 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-133.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.133]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g7FM5skC007471 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:05:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004b01a8f748$ac4001a0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <003701c24430$39fb88a0$0101a8c0@pavilion> Subject: Re: {AMSF} OK guys Date: Sun, 20 Jan 1980 16:15:59 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Unfortunately making improvements to bad designs will only result in throwing out the original design. Although my time for experimentation is limited, I'll help if I can. What sort of experimenting did you have in mind? One thing I just thought of was that I'd seen some damaged Chrysler Infinity radios at a salvage yard. Should we see if we can get those tuner modules to work in another manufacturer's set? But then again, that makes us run into the problem of a redesign that costs so much, it essentially scraps the original radio. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Cuff" > I need ideas. I also would love to see someone else join in and try some > hands-on experimenting. > Chris > From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Aug 15 15:25:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Aug 2002 22:25:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 71018 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2002 22:25:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2002 22:25:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2002 22:25:43 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.59]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:23:42 -0400 Message-ID: <006c01c244aa$b4a47100$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <004a01a8f748$0eb706e0$d3a9fea9@me> Subject: Re: {AMSF} OK guys Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:25:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 My idea is we MUST be able to integrate my decoder into a pre-existing radio. There is no sense to build a better mouse trap if all the mice are gone. A lot of the newer radios are out completely- Kenwood, Pioneer, Sony, all use the new one pin AM audio IC - meaning that they are designed for mono only AM. I can get a take-off point, but no where to reinsert the signal. Everything is inside the IC's now. The few remaining radios that DO have separate ICs for audio all have the anemic front ends. There are also no more radios in Japan for the car radio market, either. Alpine has the last one, a very high end model, and not usable here. It is getting scary. CC From n0uiheric@aol.com Thu Aug 15 17:01:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Aug 2002 00:01:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 87249 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2002 00:01:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2002 00:01:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2002 00:01:13 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id r.152.1283eefc (4380) for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 20:01:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <152.1283eefc.2a8d9ac5@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 20:01:09 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Since WSM webcasts in stereo, so why not on air? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih The CE at WSM also needs to see the following Web sites: DAB SYSTEM LAB RESULTS (courtesy of the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation) Digital Disaster (courtesy of the Virginia Center for The Public Press) 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From matthew.trim@eds.com Thu Aug 15 17:41:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Aug 2002 00:41:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 67955 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2002 00:41:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2002 00:41:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns5.eds.com) (203.17.185.230) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2002 00:41:43 -0000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com (nnsy-3.eds.com [192.168.1.1]) by ns5.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g7G0fgC29631 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:41:42 +1000 (EST) Received: from nnsy.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7G0fdb21404 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:41:40 +1000 (EST) Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7G0fdJ21393 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:41:39 +1000 (EST) Received: by AUSYM000 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:41:08 +1000 Message-ID: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542809CAF275@AUSYM200> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} OK guys Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:41:25 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 G'day Chris, Have you tried any Pioneer / Kenwood / Clarion car tuners? (I guess you're talking about Tuner/CD or Tuner/Cassette radios?) I have an aftermarket 1998 Pioneer CD/Tuner combo that seems to have good AM reception except it is very narrow bandwidth. I can't figure out how to remove it from my GM Commodore let alone game enough to pull it apart to look inside! We have a lot of cheap Jensen car radios on sale at discount outlets in Brisbane. Might buy one and have a listen to the AM section. Cheers, Matt -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Cuff [mailto:ccuff@in4web.com] Sent: Thursday, 15 August 2002 5:49 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OK guys I agree Kevin- I. for one, would love to see some of our technically able members work with me in solving the current car radio problems. I have bought several models over the past several weeks, as well as some that people have sent me to convert. All is NOT well here.CD From dav259@csiro.au Thu Aug 15 18:17:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Aug 2002 01:17:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 22924 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2002 01:17:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2002 01:17:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2002 01:17:24 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7G1HMq02301 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:17:22 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:17:22 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: How to beat govt regulations Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Interesting comment on the "Turn Off Clear Channel" Yahoo! Group (thanks Eric for pointing me to this group) re something CC has done in Sydney, Australia. From: "everton_boy_david" A decade ago Western Sydney had two stations it could call its own, 2WS and 2KA. Both were closely identified with Sydney's growing west but had considerable success in the Sydney market generally. They both converted to FM as 2WS FM and One FM, and continued to attract a considerable following. Eventually, both stations were bought by ARN who moved to strip them of their identity. ARN, now under the auspices of Clear Channel, even moved them out of western Sydney and has left a big void in the region. One which, in my opinion, is genuine cause of concern. As companies can own no more than two stations in a given license area and ARN already owns MIX 106.5, this would normally go against regulations but the fact that One FM (now The Edge 96.1) is not a Sydney license station but a Penrith license station meant the ABA allowed them to own three commercial stations in Sydney and operate them from the same premises. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Aug 15 18:28:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Aug 2002 01:28:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 57259 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2002 01:28:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2002 01:28:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14201.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.143) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2002 01:28:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20020816012809.23878.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.190] by web14201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:28:09 PDT Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:28:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Ranting about WLW trash audio signal To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I tuned-in 700 WLW Wednesday nite, early Thursday morning, and the audio sounded like crap, so I sent an email to Clear Channel, and here's the response that I received today: "We are a test station for the in band digital audio systems. We have been testing the programming over the past few days and should be back to normal in a day or two. Sorry for any inconvenience. Thank you for listening. Darryl Parks 700WLW" PS: What's funny about this is when WLW was Jacor, I wrote to them and asked why they weren't in AM Stereo, and their reply was that 'the studio and transmitter were too far apart for a stereo STL' - sure glad they figured-out how to fix it after all these years. They were also concerned about the myth about 'loss of coverage' with CQuam - too bad that don't realize that IBOC does indeed cover a whole lot less than analog. Can't somebody hire a good engineer at a 50KW station? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From fanfare@globility.com Thu Aug 15 18:47:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Aug 2002 01:47:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 33694 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2002 01:47:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2002 01:47:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2002 01:47:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2002 01:47:54 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 01:47:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Be the first to get a digital AM stereo radio Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 367 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amfmguy" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.235.67 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy This is the second reference to IBOC-AM having stereo capabilities I have seen. Once in the statement from WSM-AM that Johnny Electron shared with us, and the second on the "stereoam.com" site. My understanding is that IBOC stereo on AM had been abandoned for technical reasons and a simulcast analog signal would be relegated to 5KHz What's missing here? M. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Aug 15 18:48:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Aug 2002 01:48:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 54351 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2002 01:48:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2002 01:48:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2002 01:48:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20020816014836.83429.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.190] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:48:36 PDT Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:48:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Tune In and email WLW To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hey gang: if you're in the Eastern Half of the USA, tune into 700 and see if the buzz is going on 690 and 710. If it is, be sure to go to their website and leave them a nice email about the 'quality' of their signal. We're all going have to listen in, if WLW fails to satisfy, then ClearChannel IBOC fails. Tune -in and write them. Tell them how there are 20 million auto AMS radios, but not one IBOC. BTW - "AMEN". Enough OT talk about religious broadcasting! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Aug 15 18:50:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Aug 2002 01:50:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 12314 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2002 01:50:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2002 01:50:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14201.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.143) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2002 01:50:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20020816015029.28509.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.190] by web14201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:50:29 PDT Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:50:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 2nd Person AT WSM responds with LOUD is better: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio "We have been off AM stereo for some time now. The quality issue is subjective because there is only so much bandwidth anyway. We made a conscious decision to cease broadcasting in AM stereo because there are no more receivers being manufactured, and we had rather have more loudness that is lost to some degree when in AM stereo. If there is a difference in the high audio frequencies that you hear on your radio, that is a function of the circuitry in the radio itself. We regret any inconvenience this may have caused and hope you will continue to tune in. Best Regards, Watt Hairston WSM Emgineering" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From groucho@skyweb.net Thu Aug 15 19:32:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Aug 2002 02:32:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 8068 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2002 02:32:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2002 02:32:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2002 02:32:33 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g7G2cXst048266 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:38:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D5C635E.27576C0@skyweb.net> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:28:46 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} CQ AMS References: <20020815181602.33061.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com> From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't have AM capabilities On my Kenwood TS-520s But I hang out with a Bunch of guys into broadcasting on 3.930 +- almost nightly Neal JNR wrote: > About 7 months ago we were discussing starting an > A.M. Stereo net on ham radio. Bob, KC4QLP, > suggested using the A.M. mode. I think this > would be appropriate. > > What band can we use? The AM International group > lists the AM windows for 160-10Meters. 20-80 > would probably be best for stateside nighttime > operation, but what about our counterparts in > Regions 1 and 3? > > Please tell your thoughts. We need: band ideas, > what day/time should be set? Should we go on > different bands on different days? What about > tech hams? Is there any way we can go on 6 or 2? > > I know 10 is dead but it's the only radio I have > for HF, and it has AM. I can get a hold of my > friend's radio that has the other bands. For 10 > I suggest 29.1MHz, but 10 has been dead up here. > > 73, > Jay,N1WVQ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT [Image] > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Thu Aug 15 20:03:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Aug 2002 03:03:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 65153 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2002 03:03:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2002 03:03:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2002 03:03:22 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id r.18c.c82e7c3 (4410) for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 23:03:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <18c.c82e7c3.2a8dc574@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 23:03:16 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} CQ AMS To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 8/15/02 10:34:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, groucho@skyweb.net writes: << I don't have AM capabilities On my Kenwood TS-520s But I hang out with a Bunch of guys into broadcasting on 3.930 +- almost nightly Neal >> Around what time Neal and whats the call there? Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms." Your message (if actually mailed) is in violation of the Federal Telephone Consumer Protection Act of 1991, and Collateral Code of Federal Regulations (47 CFR 64.1200). The TCPA allows a private right of action against the sender of unsolicited advertising. The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From groucho@skyweb.net Thu Aug 15 20:37:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Aug 2002 03:37:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 12413 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2002 03:37:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2002 03:37:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2002 03:37:34 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g7G3hast055342 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 23:43:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D5C72A1.5A304EA6@skyweb.net> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 23:33:53 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} CQ AMS References: <18c.c82e7c3.2a8dc574@aol.com> From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the guys usually get on after9pm till whatever hour...Jed N1JBC works as a DJ for a station up in Mass.. not sure about the Others... my Calls are KA2CAF my wife is KB2NLE KC4QLP@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/15/02 10:34:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > groucho@skyweb.net writes: > > << I don't have AM capabilities On my Kenwood TS-520s But I hang out > with > a Bunch of guys into broadcasting on 3.930 +- almost nightly > Neal >> > > Around what time Neal and whats the call there? > > Bob Carter > Operations/Engineering > > WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 > Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio > > Network > > Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with > engineering > services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. > e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com > http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice > Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC > WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC > WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC > > AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- > amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com > > amstereo-subcribe@topica.com > amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > > KC4QLP Amateur Radio > Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va > www.kc4qlp.cjb.net > > voice contact-252-335-0856 > fax 1-209-254-8978 > _______________________________________________________ > > WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, > Chapter > 5, Subchapter II, > "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is > subject to a > download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance > of > these terms." > Your message (if actually mailed) is in violation of the Federal > Telephone > Consumer Protection Act of 1991, and Collateral Code of Federal > Regulations > (47 CFR 64.1200). The TCPA allows a private right of action against > the > sender of unsolicited advertising. The recipient can sue for $500, or > actualdamages (whichever is greater). > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------- > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT [Image] > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n0uiheric@aol.com Fri Aug 16 00:17:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Aug 2002 07:17:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 72016 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2002 07:17:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2002 07:17:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m09.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.164) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2002 07:17:28 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id r.160.1253b177 (4312) for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 03:17:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <160.1253b177.2a8e0102@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 03:17:22 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} 2nd Person AT WSM responds with LOUD is better: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih I beg to differ. There are STILL AM Stereo receivers being manufactured. Watt Hairston is WRONG on this matter. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From n0uiheric@aol.com Fri Aug 16 00:17:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Aug 2002 07:17:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 75799 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2002 07:17:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2002 07:17:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m09.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.164) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2002 07:17:28 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id r.38.2c8ecb8e (4312) for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 03:17:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <38.2c8ecb8e.2a8e0102@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 03:17:22 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tune In and email WLW To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih WLW's splatter was strong enough to force Crawford's KSTL (690 kHz) East St. Louis, IL off the air this evening. I was hearing a station calling itself "The Mighty 690" coming through weakly about midnight CDT (U.S.) on August 16. Earlier, I was tuning to 710, and heard the splatter from WLW. Hard to tell if it was analog or I-TRASH. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Aug 16 07:20:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Aug 2002 14:20:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 12511 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2002 14:20:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2002 14:20:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11706.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2002 14:20:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20020816142043.59810.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.35.27] by web11706.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 07:20:43 PDT Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 07:20:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} CQ AMS To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3D5C72A1.5A304EA6@skyweb.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio No he works for WWBB/101.5-Providence. I take him in every day. He's blind. I didn't know you knoew him! Wow it's a small world! He's on 3930 every night it seems. I'm wowed now! Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Aug 16 07:24:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Aug 2002 14:24:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 54282 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2002 14:24:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2002 14:24:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11707.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2002 14:24:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20020816142424.1336.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.35.27] by web11707.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 07:24:24 PDT Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 07:24:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} CQ AMS To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20020816142043.59810.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio ...& of course "knoew" being the, um, old English form of "knew"? No? OK. Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From mychucky@funport.net Fri Aug 16 09:39:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mychucky@funport.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Aug 2002 16:39:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 96216 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2002 16:39:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2002 16:39:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.funport.com) (216.199.19.6) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2002 16:39:29 -0000 Received: from FatMusic2000 ([]) by mail.funport.com (Merak 5.0.2) with SMTP id JFB36580 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:38:28 -0400 Message-ID: <006a01c24543$efd934b0$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> To: References: <20020816012809.23878.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ranting about WLW trash audio signal Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:42:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85836819 X-Yahoo-Profile: mychucky1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok I have to comment..... As a "Chief Engineer" or "Director of Engineering" and I been called many things.......This illustrious group keeps yapping on about calling the Chief Engineer and tell him "yadata yadata yadata............" 99.9% of the time he is NOT responsible and is only following the instructions of his employers and is already embarrassed about the fact that he could NOT get the AM Stereo exciter repaired "because the transmitter will work without it right" and now has to suffer the slings and arrows of corporate management that requires him to get a requsihinon to even order a roll of toilet paper but has no problem saddling him with the additional responsibility of cooperating with the lackeys from Ubiquity and there newest swindle IBOC. I have a feeling this is not going to end well for US the Public and certainly not for the average 12 year old that just built his first crystal radio in 2020. ----- Original Message ----- From: Johnny Electron To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 9:28 PM Subject: {AMSF} Ranting about WLW trash audio signal I tuned-in 700 WLW Wednesday nite, early Thursday morning, and the audio sounded like crap, so I sent an email to Clear Channel, and here's the response that I received today: "We are a test station for the in band digital audio systems. We have been testing the programming over the past few days and should be back to normal in a day or two. Sorry for any inconvenience. Thank you for listening. Darryl Parks 700WLW" PS: What's funny about this is when WLW was Jacor, I wrote to them and asked why they weren't in AM Stereo, and their reply was that 'the studio and transmitter were too far apart for a stereo STL' - sure glad they figured-out how to fix it after all these years. They were also concerned about the myth about 'loss of coverage' with CQuam - too bad that don't realize that IBOC does indeed cover a whole lot less than analog. Can't somebody hire a good engineer at a 50KW station? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mychucky@funport.net Fri Aug 16 10:29:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mychucky@funport.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Aug 2002 17:29:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 3938 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2002 17:29:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2002 17:29:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.funport.com) (216.199.19.6) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2002 17:29:55 -0000 Received: from FatMusic2000 ([]) by mail.funport.com (Merak 5.0.2) with SMTP id JFB36580 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:28:51 -0400 Message-ID: <00b401c2454a$f9aa4fe0$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> To: Subject: Fw: E17794509 Chuck Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:33:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85836819 X-Yahoo-Profile: mychucky1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MessageHere is the last gasp from Sony. Like I said it is a Dark Day coming. I did not even have one of these listed on my site for sale the SRF-AX51v. Probebly an SRF-42 clone except for the TV So I added it today. A bit pricey but I can't help it. Regards Chuck www.stereoam.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Spooner, Darnley To: 'mychucky@funport.net' Cc: Spooner, Darnley Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 9:27 AM Subject: RE: E17794509 Chuck Dear Mr.. Simpson: I hope you are having a good day. This is the answer from Japan: Please convey to the customer the information below: - We are unable to provide information on a future products. - The current Sony brand radio in Japanese market with AM Stereo are: SRF-A300 (10,800yen) AM: 530 - 1605kHz, FM: 79 - 90MHz http://www.ecat.sony.co.jp/audio/radio/products/index.cfm?PD=262 and SRF-AX51V (8,400yen) AM: 530 - 1605kHz, FM: 76 - 108MHz http://www.sony.jp/products/Models/Library/SRF-AX51V.html * The sites are in Japanese only. - Aiwa currently has no radio with AM Stereo. The CR-DS805 was their last model. We hope the above information is helpful. Thank you and best regards, Darnley Spooner -----Original Message----- From: mychucky@funport.net [mailto:mychucky@funport.net] Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 12:46 PM To: Spooner, Darnley Subject: Re: E17794509 Chuck Dear Darnley, What do they have now, in the Sony line? What do they plan to have in the future in the Sony line. What do they plan to have if anything in the Awia line. This answer below told me nothing I did not already know. I contacted you to get information on new Am Stereo products to sell on my Website. So far after two weeks I have received nothing. Have they released any press releases stating that they have abandened AM Stereo Completely. If they haven't released a press release why not. Regards chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Spooner, Darnley To: 'mychucky@funport.net' Cc: Spooner, Darnley Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 12:02 PM Subject: RE: E17794509 Chuck Dear Chuck Simpson: I hope you are having a good day and things are going well. I have an answer from Japan which I will enclose for your review. This is the only answer I can give. In answering to your query, we used have AM Stereo Radio for Japanese market until 1998 (ex. Aiwa product model CR-DS805). But since then we have no more model that equipped AM Stereo broadcasting receiving function. I hope that the above reply is answering to your query in proper manner. Best regards, Darnley -----Original Message----- From: mychucky@funport.net [mailto:mychucky@funport.net] Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 2:29 PM To: Spooner, Darnley Subject: Re: E17794509 Chuck Thank you for the number, however the staff at that location does not know that AM can be broadcast in Stereo, did not know that Aiwa Japan ever had AM Stereo radios for Sale. Lets face it if I want an Aiwa product my buyer in Japan can handle it just as well and is more knowledgeable in both countries consumer Electronics field. Hope to hear from you again and further in this matter. Please review the/my website and comment. Regards Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Spooner, Darnley To: 'mychucky@funport.net' Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:56 PM Subject: RE: E17794509 Chuck Thank you again for the reply. You seem to be looking for AIWA products. May I suggest calling 800-424-2492. Please let me know if I can be of further assistance. Darnley Spooner -----Original Message----- From: mychucky@funport.net [mailto:mychucky@funport.net] Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:53 PM To: Spooner, Darnley Subject: Re: E17794509 Chuck Dear Darnley, I left voice mail in your box yesterday and today. You may try me again at 1.904.680.1101 Regards Chuck Simpson ----- Original Message ----- From: Spooner, Darnley To: 'mychucky@funport.net' Cc: Spooner, Darnley Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 10:34 AM Subject: E17794509 Chuck Dear Chuck: Thank you for contacting Sony Japan. Your complaint has been forwarded to Sony Electronics Inc. USA for resolution. My efforts to contact you were unsuccessful. Please call me, I am available Monday through Friday, 8:30 AM to 4:30 PM, EST Darnley.Spooner@am.sony.com or 1-239-768-7607 if you want to further discuss your situation. Please reference your customer information number E17794509. I look forward to hearing from you soon. Sincerely, Darnley Spooner International Customer Relations Specialist Office of the President [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Fri Aug 16 10:35:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1063 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2002 17:35:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2002 17:35:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2002 17:35:37 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2002 17:35:37 -0000 Date: 16 Aug 2002 17:35:37 -0000 Message-ID: <1029519337.879066.33467.w55@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /WLW.mp3 Uploaded by : jeffdeck2001 Description : WLW Cincinnati recorded 8/16/02 using Sony SRF-A1 "forced stereo" receiver in central Ohio. You can hear the low level data during pauses. Listen to the first adjacent frequencies at the end of this file. You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/WLW.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, jeffdeck2001 From mychucky@funport.net Fri Aug 16 12:51:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mychucky@funport.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Aug 2002 19:51:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 72205 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2002 19:51:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2002 19:51:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.funport.com) (216.199.19.6) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2002 19:51:55 -0000 Received: from FatMusic2000 ([]) by mail.funport.com (Merak 5.0.2) with SMTP id JFB36580 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:50:53 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01c2455e$d1765230$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> To: Subject: Fw: IBOC And The Future Of Radio Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:55:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85836819 X-Yahoo-Profile: mychucky1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable NAB Update! Well heres the latest dribble from the digital team..... Anyone want to show up and protest. Carry a few signs ha ha Regards Chuck ----- Original Message -----=20 From: NAB_UPDATE!=20 To: mychucky@funport.net=20 Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 2:31 PM Subject: IBOC And The Future Of Radio September 12 - 14, 2002 . Washington State Convention and Trade= Center . Seattle, Washington=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 "The timing of The NAB Radio Show this year makes p= articipation more important than ever. Economic conditions, new competitive= technologies and legislative issues demand our attention. The show will ad= dress these issues and we cannot afford to not take advantage of this agend= a." =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 - Clarke Brown, 2002 NAB Radio Show Chair President, Radio Division, Jefferson-Pilot Commun= ications IBOC And The Future Of Radio On Display At The NAB = Radio Show The technical future of radio will be a major focus= at The NAB Radio Show in Seattle. In-band on-channel (IBOC) digital AM and= FM radio, being developed by iBiquity Digital Corporation, has the potenti= al to be "the greatest change in radio since the introduction of FM broadca= sting," said Lynn Claudy, NAB senior vice president, Science & Technology. = "We expect to see major developments and initiatives unveiled at this year'= s NAB Radio Show in digital radio. It will be one of the first chances that= most attendees have to really experience this amazing new technology."=20 An IBOC update panel has been created especially fo= r radio managers: IBOC Rollout - Across The Industries. Managers will have = a unique opportunity to interact with panelists representing the broadcasti= ng, retail, consumer electronics and automotive industries concerning rollo= ut plans and challenges each sector faces with the conversion to digital br= oadcasting.=20 The business and technical aspects of AM and FM IBO= C are the focus of an all-day Radio Show exclusive: The Digital Radio Certi= fication Workshop. Targeted primarily at engineers, but offering something = for everyone, the workshop presenters will thoroughly detail the status of = IBOC, its benefits, the requirements for IBOC implementation and the latest= information on how to go digital for minimal cost. iBiquity's development = team will field questions related to IBOC coverage, compatibility concerns = and IBOC receiver features. iBiquity and 15 other companies will showcase I= BOC technology on The NAB Radio Show Exhibit Floor. In addition, the iBiqui= ty plans to have Seattle area stations broadcasting during the show.=20 Learn How To Create Commercials That Get Results=20 Radio creator, producer, writer and nationally know= n voice talent, Jeffrey Hedquist has dedicated himself to getting strong bo= ttom-line results for clients. He will show you how to do the same. It's si= mple. When clients get results, they want to renew. 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All Rights Reserved. =20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jeffdeck@aol.com Fri Aug 16 15:04:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Aug 2002 22:04:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 74623 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2002 22:04:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2002 22:04:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d10.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.42) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2002 22:04:24 -0000 Received: from Jeffdeck@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 1.1a8.6e3f7ce (3866); Fri, 16 Aug 2002 18:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1a8.6e3f7ce.2a8ed0e2@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 18:04:18 EDT Subject: Re: More WLW To: ABDX@topica.com Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 From: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4430287 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I uploaded WLW I-BOC iBiquity audio sample on the Yahoo AM stereo list. As stated yesterday, there is analog rumbling noise on both sides of the main carrier from my wideband Sony SRF-A1 receiver. You could hear it at the end of my sample. Also evident is lack of typical analog splatter on both sides of the WLW carrier. High frequency audio bandwidth is reduced, which explains the lack of audio splatter. From my MP3 sample, you will note that low level data is heard on the main audio during speech pauses. SRF-A1 is detecting the quadrature information, however most of it rests higher in the sidebands. I will write to WLW with these findings. 73, Jeff In a message dated 8/15/2002 8:25:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Kevin writes: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmdx@fastq.com Fri Aug 16 18:45:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 17 Aug 2002 01:45:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 73883 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2002 01:45:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2002 01:45:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2002 01:45:57 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d117-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.149]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g7H1juT81136 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 18:45:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <063901c2458e$247c6580$c0d63fd1@kredding430cdt> To: Subject: For those of you who are lucky enough to have an A100 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 18:33:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2131122213 This message has been composed of recycled electrons. None of these electrons has been harmed or injured in the creation and transmission of this message but they have been shamelessly exploited for this use. From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Aug 16 20:09:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 17 Aug 2002 03:09:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 10892 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2002 03:09:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2002 03:09:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.152) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2002 03:09:19 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 20:09:19 -0700 Received: from 209.240.222.130 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 03:09:18 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@bellsouth.net Bcc: Subject: I Saw the Light! Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 03:09:18 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Aug 2002 03:09:19.0089 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A1EEE10:01C2459B] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.222.130] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Juan, You along with Michael from Wyoming are two more heroes in the battle. From being in the Stuart/Jupiter area earlier today, I went north to the Publix in the South Vero Shopping Center and I saw the light; the pilot light come on, on the Panasonic RX-FT53 (Japanese model) it's the first time in months I have seen a solid pilot light. Even though the sound isn't stereo yet, in the stereo mode it had depth that it didn't have in the mono mode. I was listening to the Michael Savage show. 760 out of Tequesta would be another canidate for a.m.-stereo, they play music from the 50's through the 70's, when I was listening midday, though it was either automated or satellite. I passed their 4 tower array on I-95 near the Palm Beach/Martin county line, they are directional and hug the coast. 1040, WJNA and 1420 in Delray also played the same type of music. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From mikeryan@tpg.com.au Fri Aug 16 21:26:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mikeryan@tpg.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 17 Aug 2002 04:26:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 72496 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2002 04:26:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2002 04:26:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.tpgi.com.au) (203.12.160.57) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2002 04:26:08 -0000 Received: from server (syd-ts11-2600-028.tpgi.com.au [203.213.63.28]) by mail1.tpgi.com.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7H4Q3M17945 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 14:26:03 +1000 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} The Oz Report?? Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 14:25:16 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: From: "Mike Ryan" Reply-To: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7573532 X-Yahoo-Profile: mike111ryan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm here .but mor a voyeur than a contributor. Equipment is an SRF-42 and and SRF-A1 but I am darned if I can Locate the unit. Moved house and still have boxes that are filled with stuff. Mike Ryan 5 Lachlan Ave North Ryde NSW 2113 Tel 02 9878 3410 Fax 02 9878 3459 Mob 0419 648 242 Work Contact Xinc Group Tel 02 9882 0255 -----Original Message----- From: Ian Davidson [mailto:dav259@csiro.au] Sent: 15 August 2002 6:44 PM To: amstereoforum Subject: {AMSF} The Oz Report?? An interesting day on the list ... sometimes it's real nice to live in Oz. Most Aussies have gone pretty quiet on the list lately. Who's still here? Can we have a report of which Oz stations are doing what? I know the two Matts of Brissie are still here - and congrats to Matt2 (Voltare) for answering your critics on the Oz Google board. You are so right! Posters can and do say anything in their perceived anonymity. Keep punching - and fight the good fight. There are some even on this list who almost get away with being anonymous. Samuel, Marc, Alex B, Geoff in Cooma - are you still here? What's happening with 2CC and 2CA? And btw - where is Kit? Hopefully back near the Rockies where your heart is - but the last we saw was your submission to the FCC re IBOC. I miss you. Let's have a few reports from those who seem to have gone a bit quiet. Just an "I'm still here" would be tikitiboo. Ian IAAAS Network News Melbourne Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Aug 16 23:45:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 17 Aug 2002 06:45:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 35009 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2002 06:45:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2002 06:45:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2002 06:45:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2002 06:45:39 -0000 Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 06:45:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: For those of you who are lucky enough to have an A100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <063901c2458e$247c6580$c0d63fd1@kredding430cdt> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 358 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.72.6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2131122213 Thanks to Chris Cuff, I have the service manuals for both the SRF-A1 and the SRF-A100. I would be glad to provide copies of these to anybody who is interested. I also have the schematic diagram for the Realistic TM-152, which I have scanned in and will upload to the Files section here. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sat Aug 17 00:08:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 17 Aug 2002 07:08:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 88660 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2002 07:08:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2002 07:08:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11703.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2002 07:08:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20020817070813.71518.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.35.27] by web11703.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 00:08:13 PDT Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 00:08:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} CQ AMS To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20020816142424.1336.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio My WALE work sked is as follows: Sun.: 14:00-Mid. Eastern Time (1800-0400 GMT) Wed., Thu.: 18:00-Mid. Eastern (2200-0400 GMT). As for WWBB where I help Jed Barton out, that varies, but we normally go in Monday and Wednesday or Thursday daytime. How are your schedules? 73, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From groucho@skyweb.net Sat Aug 17 01:14:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 17 Aug 2002 08:14:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 84916 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2002 08:14:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2002 08:14:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2002 08:14:00 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g7H8K2L9069700 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 04:20:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D5E04ED.EFCA2C10@skyweb.net> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 04:10:21 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} CQ AMS References: <20020817070813.71518.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com> From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Jay Now Im really Confused... I have known Jed for years even though Ive never met him.. I was supposed to work field day last year on the USS MASS... But got caught up in work and Could not make the trip.. I am shocked to Find out that he's blind?. live and Learn... He's a cool Guy.. Yeah I know Roland and Dave also.. Its a great group of Guys up on 3.930 Im moving my station around here in the house so I have Not Been on... I guess Ill have to move faster. tell Jed you Know me. see what he says LOL... Neal JNR wrote: > My WALE work sked is as follows: > > Sun.: 14:00-Mid. Eastern Time (1800-0400 GMT) > Wed., Thu.: 18:00-Mid. Eastern (2200-0400 GMT). > > As for WWBB where I help Jed Barton out, that > varies, but we normally go in Monday and > Wednesday or Thursday daytime. > > How are your schedules? > > 73, > Jay,N1WVQ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT [Image] > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From phil@transmittersrus.com Sat Aug 17 01:15:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 17 Aug 2002 08:15:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 64601 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2002 08:15:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2002 08:15:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.18) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2002 08:15:34 -0000 Received: from thebbc.fslife.co.uk ([62.137.158.192] helo=fslife.co.uk) by cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17fyk9-0001Ky-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 09:15:33 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 09:14:11 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Denon receivers? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-U () From: Philip de Cadenet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Can anyone confirm if the current crop of Denon receivers have a AMS capable model. I recently dropped by Mark Lightner's Lightner Electronics in Claysburg Pa where he had a nice rack mounted Denon. He said as far as he knew it did come with AMS. Unfortunately I did not make a note of the model number. I believe the retail price was around $299.00 -- Philip de Cadenet 1050 WLYC From watan-ko@h4.dion.ne.jp Sat Aug 17 02:41:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: watan-ko@h4.dion.ne.jp X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 17 Aug 2002 09:41:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 16648 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2002 09:41:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2002 09:41:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2002 09:41:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2002 09:41:35 -0000 Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 09:41:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fw: E17794509 Chuck Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00b401c2454a$f9aa4fe0$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 212 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "irukero" X-Originating-IP: 211.18.187.56 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67253313 X-Yahoo-Profile: irukero Dear Chuck, The Sony SRF-AX51V is discontinued long ago. However, I sometimes see it on the market still now, though. The only current portable AMS radio made by Sony is ICF-AX15. Koji Watanabe Shiga, JAPAN From phil@transmittersrus.com Sat Aug 17 05:04:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: phil@transmittersrus.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 17 Aug 2002 12:04:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 87128 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2002 12:04:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2002 12:04:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.210) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2002 12:04:48 -0000 Received: from thebbc.fslife.co.uk ([62.137.158.192] helo=fslife.co.uk) by cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17g2Jz-0003Df-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 13:04:48 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 13:03:29 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Quad FET MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-U () From: Philip de Cadenet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public After posting on the homebrew ng I received the following regarding the quad FET info request: The Fairchild FST3125 bus-switch tends to be used for high-performance mixers these days. A properly designed mixer using one of these is about as good as you can get; you start running into non-linearity problems with other parts of the system, like the IF filter. I've designed a mixer PCB using one of these, but haven't got round to making it, yet. I'm using a circuit from RadCom, which you will find here: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/9595/fst3125.html 73, Leon -- Leon Heller, G1HSM leon_heller@hotmail.com http://www.geocities.com/leon_heller Rgds -- Philip de Cadenet 1050 WLYC Williamsport Pa From bryancain57@yahoo.com Sat Aug 17 07:42:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: bryancain57@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 17 Aug 2002 14:42:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 26113 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2002 14:42:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2002 14:42:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2002 14:42:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2002 14:42:12 -0000 Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 14:42:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WEWN Reception at 1635 X-Band Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 456 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bryancain57" X-Originating-IP: 63.188.32.191 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=111365738 X-Yahoo-Profile: bryancain57 Apparently, this shortwave broacaster is taking advantage of the wide-open x-band. Logged Thursday 6pm., with CCRadio.Typically reception is poor on X-Band here(Cleveland) before dark. Would not tune even slightly at 1634 or 36, but strong signal at 1635,with occasional fade. They listed Birmingham AL. as broadcast location, although oddly enough , no mention of AM Freq,just shortwave given.I have e-mailed station and inquired of AMS equipment. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sat Aug 17 08:02:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 17 Aug 2002 15:02:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 14212 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2002 15:02:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2002 15:02:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11705.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2002 15:02:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20020817150229.78306.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.35.27] by web11705.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 08:02:29 PDT Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 08:02:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} CQ AMS To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3D5E04ED.EFCA2C10@skyweb.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio As far as I knew he did do Field Day from the U.S.S. Massachusetts last year. I'll have to ask. I haven't been able to get a hold of him since Wednesday. Very strange. Since you're an engineer, does this mean nighttime you work? Seems to be the rule. 73, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From mychucky@funport.net Sat Aug 17 10:45:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mychucky@funport.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 17 Aug 2002 17:45:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 1856 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2002 17:45:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2002 17:45:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.funport.com) (216.199.19.6) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2002 17:45:48 -0000 Received: from FatMusic2000 ([]) by mail.funport.com (Merak 5.0.2) with SMTP id JFB36580 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 13:44:54 -0400 Message-ID: <006301c24616$6201b8a0$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Fw: E17794509 Chuck Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 13:49:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85836819 X-Yahoo-Profile: mychucky1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Koju, Sony just sent me that info this week. I just sell what my guy in Japan can get. Send me your email address mychucky@funport.net www.stereoam.com ----- Original Message ----- From: irukero To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 5:41 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Fw: E17794509 Chuck Dear Chuck, The Sony SRF-AX51V is discontinued long ago. However, I sometimes see it on the market still now, though. The only current portable AMS radio made by Sony is ICF-AX15. Koji Watanabe Shiga, JAPAN Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sat Aug 17 11:57:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 17 Aug 2002 18:57:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 36614 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2002 18:57:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2002 18:57:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.186) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2002 18:57:25 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 11:57:26 -0700 Received: from 209.240.222.130 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 18:57:25 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@bellsouth.net Bcc: Subject: Scott Todd's FCC petition Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 18:57:25 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Aug 2002 18:57:26.0000 (UTC) FILETIME=[ED5CAF00:01C2461F] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.222.130] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Scott, I imagine you already know about the Voice of America discussing your FCC petition almost two years ago, but for those that haven't read the transcript from VOA; it's an interesting read. Just too bad, that the FCC seems to have chosen to ignore it. the lin to the VOA (Voice of America) transcript is: http://www.trsc.com/cw/cw_20000916.html donn st petersburg, fl _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sat Aug 17 12:19:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 17 Aug 2002 19:19:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 43158 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2002 19:19:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2002 19:19:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.193) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2002 19:19:37 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 12:19:37 -0700 Received: from 209.240.222.130 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 19:19:36 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@bellsouth.net Bcc: Subject: Eric Bueneman's Essay on AM Stereo Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 19:19:36 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Aug 2002 19:19:37.0478 (UTC) FILETIME=[06FC1A60:01C24623] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.222.130] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Eric, I'm curious as to when this essay of yours was published, I'm guessing the first half of 2000. donn ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Why AM Stereo Hasn't Caught On, Like FM Stereo by Eric Bueneman ------------------------------------ (This article was originally posted to the N0UIH and IRCA DX list servers.) Recently, two St. Louis radio stations, KMOX-1120 and KFNS-590, discontinued all operations in AM Stereo. The lack of Stereo on their signals has greatly affected the sound quality of the stations. KMOX's sound quality is a little more distorted now, KFNS not quite as distorted (but distorted nonetheless). This has brought up a question: "Why has AM Stereo not caught on, like FM Stereo did 30 or 40 years ago?" Part of the blame can be pointed at the Federal Communications Commission. When AM Stereo was operating with four incompatible systems (Kahn ISB, Harris, Magnavox and Motorola C-QUAM), the FCC made the wrong decision to "let the marketplace decide". The other major mistake made in the AM Stereo debate was made by Leonard Kahn, by filing legal action against his opponents in the AM Stereo wars. Those that operated with Harris and Magnavox AM Stereo soon converted to Motorola's C-QUAM system. Even Kahn's ISB AM Stereo system was selected to add Stereo sound to NDXE, the shortwave station in Opelika, Alabama, that was never built. Had the FCC taken the "hands on" approach, the whole AM Stereo question would have been settled in the 1980s, instead of 1993. The decision was made at that time to adopt Motorola's C-QUAM system over Kahn's ISB system. Waiting so long to settle the matter of an AM Stereo standard is why, in my honest opinion, AM Stereo has not caught on (despite it's fuller, better-quality sound, and, in many cases, larger signal coverage, than FM Stereo). Consumer groups are also to blame for the lack of acceptance AM Stereo has received. In the early 1990s, there was a proposal on the table to require all AM/FM receivers capable of receiving FM Stereo to also receive AM Stereo broadcasts. These consumer groups didn't want this, because they believed such a requirement "would take away consumer rights". Instead, they took away the consumer's right to listen to the better-quality AM Stereo broadcasts. Isn't it about time that the FCC revisit the issue? Availability of new AM Stereo receivers is another matter. While Chrysler (now DaimlerChrysler) had AM Stereo/FM Stereo receivers as standard equipment on ALL of it's North American-made models during the 1989 and 1990 model years, they have all but disappeared from dealer options on most North American-made cars, trucks, vans and SUVs. Most of the AM Stereo receivers for the home market were also very expensive. Radio Shack had the only affordable AM Stereo tuner with it's TM-152, which was discontinued in the late 1980s. Now, there are no new AM Stereo radios being manufactured. Once again, the lack of a requirement that receivers capable of receiving FM Stereo also having to receive AM Stereo comes into play. If we had this requirement, then AM Stereo broadcasts would be more widespread than it is now, and more stations would be broadcasting in the fuller, richer sound of AM Stereo instead of the dull monaural sound. ................... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The "hands off" approach to settling the AM Stereo matter was not very good for broadcasters or consumers, in my honest opinion. This approach is mainly to blame for AM Stereo's lack of acceptance in the marketplace. If you feel that AM Stereo has been given a bum rap, feel free to express your opinions on the AM Stereo Web site at http://www.amstereoradio.com/ or on your favorite AM E-mail list server. If you feel that AM/FM receivers capable of FM Stereo should also be required to receive AM Stereo, write to your communications officials today. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From amfmdx@fastq.com Sat Aug 17 14:31:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 17 Aug 2002 21:31:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 42702 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2002 21:31:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2002 21:31:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2002 21:31:12 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d187-osel-phx.fastq.com [209.63.214.174]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g7HLVBT96794 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 14:31:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <06db01c24634$46270040$c0d63fd1@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: For those of you who are lucky enough to have an A100 Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 14:23:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla What would it take for me to get a copy of the service manual for the SRF-A1? Kevin Mesa, Arizona ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevtronics" To: Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 11:45 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: For those of you who are lucky enough to have an A100 > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2131122213 > > Thanks to Chris Cuff, I have the service manuals for both the > SRF-A1 and the SRF-A100. I would be glad to provide copies of these > to anybody who is interested. > > I also have the schematic diagram for the Realistic TM-152, which I > have scanned in and will upload to the Files section here. > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From davidcoons@webtv.net Sat Aug 17 17:24:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: davidcoons@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Aug 2002 00:24:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 60569 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2002 00:24:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2002 00:24:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-2001-2.public.lawson.webtv.net) (209.240.212.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2002 00:24:18 -0000 Received: from storefull-2313.public.lawson.webtv.net (lawson-public-ipmux-1-pip-2.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.212.5]) by smtpout-2001-2.public.lawson.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id DCF06BE80 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 17:24:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-2313.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id RAA04783; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 17:24:16 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRegMc9x3eKZzVF2BjB6sNdXKz3rQIUK4dtdjjgpe+eDxBO+TxniSvTknE= Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 19:24:16 -0500 (EST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tune In and email WLW Message-ID: <13660-3D5EE930-2518@storefull-2313.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: n0uiheric@aol.com's message of Fri, 16 Aug 2002 03:17:22 EDT Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-From: davidcoons@webtv.net (David Coons) From: davidcoons@webtv.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10533228 the phrase "the mighty 690" is used by wokv jacksonville fl. From n0uiheric@aol.com Sat Aug 17 23:02:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Aug 2002 06:02:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 49719 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2002 06:02:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2002 06:02:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2002 06:02:17 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id r.a2.2a538b34 (17228) for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 02:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 02:02:12 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Scott Todd's FCC petition To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih The reason why the FCC chose to ignore it is quite clear: the anti-American, pro-Deregulation Michael Powell is in charge, trying to ram IBOC down our throats. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From n0uiheric@aol.com Sat Aug 17 23:02:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Aug 2002 06:02:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 67779 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2002 06:02:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2002 06:02:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2002 06:02:18 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id r.1ab.6f4ea48 (17228) for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 02:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1ab.6f4ea48.2a909265@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 02:02:13 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} WEWN Reception at 1635 X-Band To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih This might be an image; they broadcast in the 41 meter band at this time (7425 kHz). The strongest frequency I get from them is 5825 kHz. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From n0uiheric@aol.com Sat Aug 17 23:02:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Aug 2002 06:02:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 75752 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2002 06:02:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2002 06:02:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2002 06:02:18 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id r.198.b9aaa40 (17228) for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 02:02:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <198.b9aaa40.2a909263@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 02:02:11 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Eric Bueneman's Essay on AM Stereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih It was published in May 2000, after KMOX dropped AM Stereo operations. I must amend something, Donn...Visteon still makes AM Stereo radios for high-end Ford products, and, as far as I know, is available on only top-of-the-line car radios for DaimlerChrysler. While the radio in my father's 2002 Chrysler Voyager doesn't have AM Stereo, it does have 110 kHz filters for FM. I can easily hear distant stations next to my locals on FM; even WILL-FM 90.9 Urbana, IL between local KWMU 90.7 and semi-local WIBI 91.1. Since the article was written, KTRS 550 has switched off it's AM Stereo pilot. AM Stereo might have been useful for their Blues and Rams coverage. Speaking of KTRS, they fed the Blues games to WSIE 88.7 (where I work as an evening DJ) via a MONO ISDN line. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From n0uiheric@aol.com Sat Aug 17 23:02:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Aug 2002 06:02:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 49738 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2002 06:02:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2002 06:02:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2002 06:02:19 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id r.154.12a97a2a (17228) for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 02:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <154.12a97a2a.2a909265@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 02:02:13 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: IBOC And The Future Of Radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih IBOC will mean THE DEATH OF RADIO. Just read the results of the splatter from the IBOC tests on Communist Channel's WLW. Out Kevin's way, another Commie station, KWLW, is heard on 700. It's time that we all GIVE UP ON IBOC, and give AM Stereo the chance it has worked hard to deserve. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Aug 18 04:05:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Aug 2002 11:05:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 4717 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2002 11:05:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2002 11:05:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.22) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2002 11:05:04 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 04:05:04 -0700 Received: from 209.240.222.130 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:05:01 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Eric Bueneman's Essay on AM Stereo Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:05:01 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Aug 2002 11:05:04.0224 (UTC) FILETIME=[1AC29E00:01C246A7] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.222.130] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Thanks for the info, Eric, on your well written essay. Eric wrote: >It was published in May 2000, after >KMOX dropped AM Stereo operations. I > >must amend something, >Donn...Visteon still >makes AM Stereo radios for high-end >Ford products, and, >as far as I know, is available on only > >top-of-the-line car radios for >DaimlerChrysler. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Speaking of KTRS, they fed the Blues games to WSIE 88.7 (where I work as an >evening DJ) via a MONO ISDN line. Glad you're working at WSIE; what type of format are they? donn st petersburg,fl _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Aug 18 04:11:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Aug 2002 11:11:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 46011 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2002 11:11:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2002 11:11:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2002 11:11:45 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 04:11:45 -0700 Received: from 209.240.222.130 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:11:44 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Scott Todd's FCC petition Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:11:44 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Aug 2002 11:11:45.0662 (UTC) FILETIME=[0A0931E0:01C246A8] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.222.130] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 In reference to Scott Todd's petition, Eric B wrote: >"The reason why the FCC chose to ignore it is quite clear: >the >anti-American, pro-Deregulation >Michael Powell is in charge, trying to ram >IBOC down our throats. I believe Michael Powell's main qualification for being selected as the FCC chairman was his being Colin Powell's son. Nepotism, does not serve the public well, whether the nepotism is in government or private industry. donn st petersburg,fl PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From bryancain57@yahoo.com Sun Aug 18 05:22:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: bryancain57@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Aug 2002 12:22:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 66553 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2002 12:22:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2002 12:22:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2002 12:22:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2002 12:22:54 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:22:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WEWN Reception at 1635 X-Band Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1ab.6f4ea48.2a909265@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 807 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bryancain57" X-Originating-IP: 63.188.41.49 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=111365738 X-Yahoo-Profile: bryancain57 --- In amstereoforum@y..., n0uiheric@a... wrote: > This might be an image; they broadcast in the 41 meter band at this time > (7425 kHz). The strongest frequency I get from them is 5825 kHz. > > 73 and good DX from Eric > Amateur Radio Station N0UIH > Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN > Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 > DXing The World since 1981 > Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel > PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION > "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 REPLY: I've heard of band crossoaver on units that have both bands, but my CC doesn't have shortwave. I used to get FM crossover onto shortwave on a unit that had both installed. The owner's manual listed this as a possibility, though.-bryan From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun Aug 18 05:58:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Aug 2002 12:58:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 85620 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2002 12:58:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2002 12:58:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2002 12:58:03 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d111-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.143]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g7ICw2T05217 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 05:58:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <007d01c246b6$d98a31e0$80f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} WEWN Reception at 1635 X-Band Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 05:57:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > REPLY: I've heard of band crossoaver on units that have both bands, > but my CC doesn't have shortwave. Bryan, I have a POS CCRadio. This radio is plagued with shortwave images when there is a strong shortwave signal present. I on occasion get Radio Marti on 1710 kHz on the CCRadio. Kevin From mychucky@funport.net Sun Aug 18 09:30:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mychucky@funport.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Aug 2002 16:30:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 51667 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2002 16:30:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2002 16:30:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.funport.com) (216.199.19.6) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2002 16:30:23 -0000 Received: from FatMusic2000 ([]) by mail.funport.com (Merak 5.0.2) with SMTP id JFB36580 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:26:21 -0400 Message-ID: <00a701c246d5$071b1930$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> To: References: <13660-3D5EE930-2518@storefull-2313.public.lawson.webtv.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tune In and email WLW Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:33:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85836819 X-Yahoo-Profile: mychucky1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It was originally used By WAPE when it played top 40 in the 60's to 80's. on 690 here in Jacksonville. WOKV is not very majestic now on that freq, The APE moved to FM ----- Original Message ----- From: davidcoons@webtv.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 8:24 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tune In and email WLW the phrase "the mighty 690" is used by wokv jacksonville fl. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mychucky@funport.net Sun Aug 18 11:12:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mychucky@funport.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Aug 2002 18:12:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 76086 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2002 18:12:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2002 18:12:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.funport.com) (216.199.19.6) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2002 18:12:21 -0000 Received: from FatMusic2000 ([]) by mail.funport.com (Merak 5.0.2) with SMTP id JFB36580 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 14:08:20 -0400 Message-ID: <011101c246e3$461ab0b0$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> To: References: <13660-3D5EE930-2518@storefull-2313.public.lawson.webtv.net> <00a701c246d5$071b1930$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tune In and email WLW Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 14:15:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85836819 X-Yahoo-Profile: mychucky1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Guys, I just received an order from someone for a Sony SRF-A300 but his email address is bad. He put down www.onhindley.com.au/Tilt for an email address so I got suspicious when it did not go anywhere Does anyone know if Andrew Baans is on this list. It is for a shipment to Australia Perhaps one of you Australian Blokes can tell me if this phone number looks good. 0408814965 From the US I tried dialing 01161-0408814965 but it don't work Thanks guys ----- Original Message ----- From: mychucky@funport.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 12:33 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tune In and email WLW It was originally used By WAPE when it played top 40 in the 60's to 80's. on 690 here in Jacksonville. WOKV is not very majestic now on that freq, The APE moved to FM ----- Original Message ----- From: davidcoons@webtv.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 8:24 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tune In and email WLW the phrase "the mighty 690" is used by wokv jacksonville fl. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Sun Aug 18 11:23:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Aug 2002 18:23:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 35024 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2002 18:23:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2002 18:23:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r06.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.102) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2002 18:23:14 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id r.119.15f06db9 (3310) for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 14:23:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <119.15f06db9.2a91400a@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 14:23:06 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: IBOC And The Future Of Radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 8/18/02 2:02:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, n0uiheric@aol.com writes: << Communist Channel's WLW. >><> Resorting to name calling and slandering will not help the cause for AM Stereo.If you cant be professional about it,then you wont be able to positively change anything. We never know who is actually subscribed to these list.If we continue with this sort of "name calling"..no matter how we feel about someone or an organization,we just as well hang it up..because we will be looked at as a bunch of kooks,name callers,whiners and whatever else you might like to add.Not to mention someone within an organization just might get tired of this B.S. and sue someone for slander! { dont say you werent warned ...they have millions of $$ to fight with...and you have how much?} Lets use our heads to think with...instead of just using it as a hat rack! Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Aug 18 15:08:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Aug 2002 22:08:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 72206 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2002 22:08:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2002 22:08:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2002 22:08:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2002 22:08:06 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 22:08:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Clear Channel bashing Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <119.15f06db9.2a91400a@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1642 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.142 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Resorting to name calling and slandering will not help the cause > for AM Stereo. If you can't be professional about it, then you > won't be able to positively change anything. Thank you Bob. I have no problem with *legitimate* complaints against Clear Channel or any other company, radio station, etc. However, I do not like "bashing", not only because it is childish and unprofessional, but because in this Forum, it is pretty much preaching to the choir. Anybody who's been active in radio-related discussion on the Internet -- not even specifically about AM Stereo -- knows about the bad things that Clear Channel has done. But yet, that is not to say that Clear Channel is all evil -- just take a look (or rather, a *listen*) to 960 KABL in the San Francisco area. Not only do they have a locally based Adult Standards music format that is simply superb, they are also one of the best-sounding AM Stereo stations in the entire world. Unlike some AM Stereo stations, Clear-Channel-owned KABL has clearly taken the extra time and effort that is necessary to deliver a truly excellent sounding AM Stereo signal, with low distortion, wide separation, and crisp frequency response. Thus, 960 KABL is one of the stations that represents everything we're trying to accomplish here: AM radio at its absolute maximum quality, both in programming and in audio fidelity. You may scratch your head at the thought they are owned by Clear Channel, but that is the fact, and if you want to see more Clear-Channel-owned stations follow the lead of KABL, then "bashing" and name-calling is definitely not the way to go! From matthew.trim@eds.com Sun Aug 18 20:32:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Aug 2002 03:32:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 55813 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2002 03:32:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2002 03:32:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns5.eds.com) (203.17.185.230) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2002 03:32:00 -0000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com (nnsy-3.eds.com [192.168.1.1]) by ns5.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g7J3VxC02951 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:31:59 +1000 (EST) Received: from nnsy.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7J3Vub24681 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:31:57 +1000 (EST) Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7J3VtJ24666 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:31:56 +1000 (EST) Received: by AUSYM000 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:31:49 +1000 Message-ID: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542809CAF279@AUSYM200> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Tune In and email WLW Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:31:43 +1000 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 G'day Chuck, When you dial an Australian phone number starting with a 0, drop the 0 and you should be able to connect. So dial this, 011 61 408814965 That will work! Cheers, Matt =) -----Original Message----- From: mychucky@funport.net [mailto:mychucky@funport.net] Sent: Monday, 19 August 2002 4:16 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tune In and email WLW Hey Guys, I just received an order from someone for a Sony SRF-A300 but his email address is bad. He put down www.onhindley.com.au/Tilt for an email address so I got suspicious when it did not go anywhere Does anyone know if Andrew Baans is on this list. It is for a shipment to Australia Perhaps one of you Australian Blokes can tell me if this phone number looks good. 0408814965 From the US I tried dialing 01161-0408814965 but it don't work Thanks guys ----- Original Message ----- From: mychucky@funport.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 12:33 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tune In and email WLW It was originally used By WAPE when it played top 40 in the 60's to 80's. on 690 here in Jacksonville. WOKV is not very majestic now on that freq, The APE moved to FM ----- Original Message ----- From: davidcoons@webtv.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 8:24 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tune In and email WLW the phrase "the mighty 690" is used by wokv jacksonville fl. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From matthew.trim@eds.com Sun Aug 18 20:51:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Aug 2002 03:51:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 59532 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2002 03:51:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2002 03:51:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns5.eds.com) (203.17.185.230) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2002 03:51:20 -0000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com (nnsy-3.eds.com [192.168.1.1]) by ns5.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g7J3pJC09759 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:51:19 +1000 (EST) Received: from nnsy.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7J3pGb03077 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:51:16 +1000 (EST) Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7J3pFJ03061 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:51:15 +1000 (EST) Received: by AUSYM000 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:51:10 +1000 Message-ID: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542809CAF27A@AUSYM200> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: {AMSF} Tune In and email WLW Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:51:04 +1000 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 G'day Chuck, When you dial an Australian phone number starting with a 0, drop the 0 and you should be able to connect. So dial this, 011 61 408814965 That will work! Cheers, Matt =) -----Original Message----- From: mychucky@funport.net [mailto:mychucky@funport.net] Sent: Monday, 19 August 2002 4:16 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tune In and email WLW Hey Guys, I just received an order from someone for a Sony SRF-A300 but his email address is bad. He put down www.onhindley.com.au/Tilt for an email address so I got suspicious when it did not go anywhere Does anyone know if Andrew Baans is on this list. It is for a shipment to Australia Perhaps one of you Australian Blokes can tell me if this phone number looks good. 0408814965 From the US I tried dialing 01161-0408814965 but it don't work Thanks guys ----- Original Message ----- From: mychucky@funport.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 12:33 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tune In and email WLW It was originally used By WAPE when it played top 40 in the 60's to 80's. on 690 here in Jacksonville. WOKV is not very majestic now on that freq, The APE moved to FM ----- Original Message ----- From: davidcoons@webtv.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 8:24 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tune In and email WLW the phrase "the mighty 690" is used by wokv jacksonville fl. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From dav259@csiro.au Sun Aug 18 22:33:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Aug 2002 05:33:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 86787 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2002 05:33:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2002 05:33:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2002 05:33:19 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7J5XDq26429; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:33:14 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:33:13 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Cc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tune In and email WLW In-Reply-To: <011101c246e3$461ab0b0$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Sun, 18 Aug 2002 mychucky@funport.net wrote: > Perhaps one of you Australian Blokes can tell me if this phone number > looks good. 0408814965 It's not an OZ number - I tried it ... From dav259@csiro.au Sun Aug 18 22:48:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Aug 2002 05:48:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 23805 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2002 05:48:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2002 05:48:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2002 05:48:36 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7J5mZq27259 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:48:35 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:48:35 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} The Oz Report?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Sat, 17 Aug 2002, Mike Ryan wrote: > I'm here .but mor a voyeur than a contributor. > Equipment is an SRF-42 and and SRF-A1 but I am darned if I can > Locate the unit. Moved house and still have boxes that are filled with > stuff. Mike - There's reports that 2KY and the ARN is testing digital radio in Sydney - presumably Eureka. Have you read anything about it or better still heard it? Ian Melbourne From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Aug 18 23:34:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Aug 2002 06:34:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 45308 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2002 06:34:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2002 06:34:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r05.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.101) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2002 06:34:57 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id r.d2.1cb1466f (3850) for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 02:34:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 02:34:55 EDT Subject: The Mighty 690 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih "The Mighty 690" was also used by XETRA Tijuana, BCN, Mexico during the '60s, '70s and '80s, too. When I was last in San Diego in 1983, XETRA was still Top 40. KFI 640 in Los Angeles also had a local signal with a Hot AC format back in '83. The other Los Angeles station that had a local signal in San Diego was KNX 1070. Contrast that to Bakersfield, where the only Los Angeles signal that came in at local strength was KMPC 710 (now KDIS). Later, XETRA used "X-Tra Gold" as an Oldies station, and also used "X-Tra Sports" (later used by KXTA 1150). I know that KFI is an ex-Stereo station (I heard them in Stereo in Woodstock, GA in 1988, before WGST moved to 640 from 920; still have the QSL card); did XETRA broadcast in Stereo, too? 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Aug 18 23:34:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Aug 2002 06:34:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 14230 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2002 06:34:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2002 06:34:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r04.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.100) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2002 06:34:56 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id r.55.2bfde805 (3850) for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 02:34:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <55.2bfde805.2a91eb8e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 02:34:54 EDT Subject: Converting an older receiver to AM Stereo? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih I've heard about Chris Cuff's conversion of current receiver models to AM Stereo, but would it be feasible to convert, say, a 1970s-vintage receiver to receive AM Stereo signals? I also have a Sangean ATS-803A portable that has AM and SW mono, but FM Stereo capability. Would such a receiver be a good candidate for AM Stereo conversion, too? 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Aug 18 23:34:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Aug 2002 06:34:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 59493 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2002 06:34:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2002 06:34:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r04.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.100) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2002 06:34:57 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id r.7f.2adc2efb (3850) for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 02:34:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7f.2adc2efb.2a91eb8d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 02:34:53 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} WEWN Reception at 1635 X-Band To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih I remember having a Panasonic AM/FM mono portable radio with cassette recorder back in the early 1980s, and hearing SW images above 1600 kHz. At night, I could get a weak image from HCJB Quito, Ecuador on 1610 kHz. I also could get images from WYFR Okeechobee, FL and the Voice of America relay station at Greenville, NC above 1600. When I bought my first shortwave receiver, a Realistic DX-60 AM/FM/CB/SW portable, in October 1981, a whole new world of radio opened up for me. The same thing happened when I purchased my TM-152 in 1986. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Aug 18 23:35:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Aug 2002 06:35:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 89830 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2002 06:35:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2002 06:35:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r05.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.101) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2002 06:35:01 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id r.cb.26d9c9e7 (3850) for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 02:34:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 02:34:55 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Eric Bueneman's Essay on AM Stereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Donn, WSIE is a Mainstream Jazz station in FM Stereo. It is mostly local, but carries "Piano Jazz" (with Marian McPartland), "Jazz Profiles" (with Nancy Wilson), "Jazz from Lincoln Center" (with Ed Bradley) from NPR, "Riverwalk Jazz" (from Clear Channel's own back yard, San Antonio, TX) from Public Radio International, and "Jazz with Bob Parlocha" from WFMT's jazz network. Augmenting the format is the New AC program "Echoes" with John Diliberto (the program comes out of suburban Philadelphia). It is the only public radio station to carry a major league professional sports team. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Aug 18 23:35:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Aug 2002 06:35:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 11649 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2002 06:35:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2002 06:35:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r06.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.102) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2002 06:35:02 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id r.64.23cb5e35 (3850) for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 02:34:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <64.23cb5e35.2a91eb90@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 02:34:56 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Scott Todd's FCC petition To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih I agree, Donn...one example of such in private industry is KMOX hiring Joe Buck, the son of the late Jack Buck. Joe is now part of the top NFL play-by-play team for the Fox television network. We can go on for hours, but that could be another contributing factor to the lack of pro-AM Stereo engineers in the business. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Aug 19 00:01:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Aug 2002 07:01:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 29483 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2002 07:01:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2002 07:01:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2002 07:01:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2002 07:01:51 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 07:01:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WEWN Reception at 1635 X-Band Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7f.2adc2efb.2a91eb8d@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1288 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.82.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > When I bought my first shortwave receiver, a Realistic DX-60 > AM/FM/CB/SW portable, in October 1981, a whole new world of radio > opened up for me. My first shortwave listening was done on a solar-powered 1-transistor radio! It was one of those Radio Shack spring-clip kits where you could build different circuits, including a simple AM radio. In this case it had solar cells, so I could make a transistor radio that didn't need any batteries. I still remember having the radio kit under a lamp, with a simple wire antenna strung across the carpet, and hearing the BBC World Service news introduction, with the countdown beeps, "This is London!", and the theme music -- all through a tinny crystal earphone. It was never officially intended to be a shortwave radio; the tuning capacitor and ferrite bar antenna were standard AM radio fare, but with nearly zero selectivity, it let in whatever signals were the strongest, and at night, that meant shortwave, and lots of it! Anyway, in certain conditions, my Sony SRF-42 will pick up shortwave images at the very top of its dial. The tuning gets *very* fussy in this case, but if I can zero in on one of these images, the SRF-42's AM Stereo decoder will pop on, and I will hear the Shortwave signal in "stereo"! From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Aug 19 00:32:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Aug 2002 07:32:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 66173 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2002 07:32:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2002 07:32:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11704.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2002 07:32:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20020819073214.83845.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.35.27] by web11704.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 00:32:14 PDT Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 00:32:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Burning Man 1610 status? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio How is Alfredo's 1610 @ Burning Man coming along? 73, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From mikeryan@tpg.com.au Mon Aug 19 01:12:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mikeryan@tpg.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Aug 2002 08:11:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 24047 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2002 08:11:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2002 08:11:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail3.tpgi.com.au) (203.12.160.59) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2002 08:12:00 -0000 Received: from server (syd-ts5-2600-198.tpgi.com.au [203.213.57.198]) by mail3.tpgi.com.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7J89pj11064 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:09:52 +1000 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} The Oz Report?? Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:11:10 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Mike Ryan" Reply-To: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7573532 X-Yahoo-Profile: mike111ryan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello AM-Sterophiles 2KY has been testing Eureka 147 for at least two years. The technology has been championed by former NSW Premier (For USA read Governor) Barry Unsworth who was the Stations General Manager. Have I heard Eureka 147 ? Sadly no. Given that 2KY's format is "Horse and Dog Racing" it was of no interest. Bad news regarding The ABC's 2BL 702. The Stereo was switched off three months ago. I know the engineer who was ordered to pull the plug at the ABC. He is the Transmission Engineer Volunteer at 2NSB-FM 99.3.the BEST sounding Community Station in Sydney. Chris.the SRF-42 is still sounding great even though the choices available diminish. Regards.Mike -----Original Message----- From: Ian Davidson [mailto:dav259@csiro.au] Sent: 19 August 2002 3:49 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: {AMSF} The Oz Report?? On Sat, 17 Aug 2002, Mike Ryan wrote: > I'm here .but mor a voyeur than a contributor. > Equipment is an SRF-42 and and SRF-A1 but I am darned if I can > Locate the unit. Moved house and still have boxes that are filled with > stuff. Mike - There's reports that 2KY and the ARN is testing digital radio in Sydney - presumably Eureka. Have you read anything about it or better still heard it? Ian Melbourne Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@csiro.au Mon Aug 19 02:35:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Aug 2002 09:35:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 92448 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2002 09:35:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2002 09:35:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2002 09:35:52 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7J9Zoq09003 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:35:50 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:35:50 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} The Oz Report?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Mon, 19 Aug 2002, Mike Ryan wrote: > Bad news regarding The ABC's 2BL 702. The Stereo was switched off > three months ago. I know the engineer who was ordered to pull the > plug at the ABC. He is the Transmission Engineer Volunteer at > 2NSB-FM 99.3.the BEST sounding Community Station in Sydney. Mike - to me this is GOOD news! I had an on-air 15 minute call with Tony Delroy who does the overnight national Nightlife program about nine months ago. I was (supposedly) asleep in bed and subconsciously heard the "s" word mentioned by someone in Brisbane. Fortunately I also had just had a letter published in The Austalian's media supplement which Tony had read. I started off by just asking Tony was the stereo out of 4QR Brisbane or 2BL Sydney? And a good positive discussion ensued - albeit at 1 o'clock in the morning. But of course that wasn't quite the topic - it was about media magnets like Rupert Murdoch - but Tony was positive about AM stereo. And he did win the ABC's media award as the best presenter last year. The fact that 2BL has switched it off only 3 months ago could be reversed. Our 3LO turned out the pilot in 1995! Let's all Aussies on the list send a message to the ABC headquarters in Sydney. I've just had a look at ABC \radio's site and it's a total (very professional) dog's breakfast of people to contact ... (I'm not being critical - it's very good!) I guess the starting point may be 702@your.abc.net.au Maybe we can still argue to the government broadcaster that they must be expected to broadcast state of the art technology - which at the present time is C-quam! If it costs them nothing more (and that's the great problem with our ABC) then they should lead the way. For you lot in the US - the ABC in Oz is affectionately called "our ABC" - or as they say at the mo "Your ABC". And it truly is. I had just about given up on ABC Radio - but if the 2KY/ARN tests fail AM stereo could return to "our" 3LO. We can only hope! Ian Melbourne From mikeryan@tpg.com.au Mon Aug 19 03:11:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mikeryan@tpg.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Aug 2002 10:11:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 29754 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2002 10:11:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2002 10:11:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail3.tpgi.com.au) (203.12.160.59) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2002 10:11:03 -0000 Received: from server (syd-ts5-2600-198.tpgi.com.au [203.213.57.198]) by mail3.tpgi.com.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7JA8sk24086; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 20:08:55 +1000 To: "Amstereoforum@Yahoogroups. Com" Cc: <702@your.abc.net.au>, Subject: Re 2BL "Switch-Off" AM-Stereo Australian Listeners Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 20:10:14 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Mike Ryan" Reply-To: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7573532 X-Yahoo-Profile: mike111ryan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ian, Excellent idea. ABC=92s Radio National and News radio both Broadcast in Stereo in Sydney . I will find out the key people and get back to the Group. I might even try pestering Sony Australia again. =93AM isn=92= t broadcast in stereo=94 according to them ! . Would Silicon Chip magazine b= e interested in furthering this noble cause? Given that they designed some brilliant receivers let=92s hope so. www.siliconchip.com.au Let the CQUAM Roll Downunder Regards=85Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From philipr@irac.pe.ca Mon Aug 19 05:53:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Aug 2002 12:53:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 79130 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2002 12:53:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2002 12:53:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2002 12:53:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2002 12:53:27 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:53:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Sony SRF-A300 Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 673 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Does anyone on the list have any info as to how good a rig the SRF- A300 is? How does it compare to the A100? Is the A300 an AMAX rig, or does it have the even wider bandwidth of the A100? How does its performance compare with the SRF-42 [which I already have]? Any info on the A300 would be appreciated, as a search on Google provides info only in Japanese. I did find out that it weighs 1.3 kgs I believe. That suggests to me that it is a fairly substantial rig - at nearly 3 lbs. Ok, I know living in PEI I should learn Japanese [given all the great folks from Japan who visit us on vacation every summer]but languages are not my specialty! Thanks. Phil From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Aug 19 06:22:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Aug 2002 13:22:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 20327 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2002 13:22:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2002 13:22:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2002 13:22:16 -0000 Received: from Chris1 (unverified [208.228.96.20]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:20:30 -0400 Message-ID: <000901c24783$7042f780$0d01a8c0@Chris1> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony SRF-A300 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:22:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 The SRFA300 is fairly low bandwidth. It is nothing like the A100. The FM tunes only to 90 mhz. It IS a pleasing radio to listen to, with a nice mellow sound. There is NO positive stereo indicator. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "tubesareking" To: Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 8:53 AM Subject: {AMSF} Sony SRF-A300 > Does anyone on the list have any info as to how good a rig the SRF- > A300 is? From mychucky@funport.net Mon Aug 19 07:13:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mychucky@funport.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Aug 2002 14:13:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 87965 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2002 14:13:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2002 14:13:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.funport.com) (216.199.19.6) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2002 14:13:10 -0000 Received: from FatMusic2000 ([]) by mail.funport.com (Merak 5.0.2) with SMTP id JFB36580 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:09:14 -0400 Message-ID: <013201c2478b$0997ba40$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> To: References: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542809CAF279@AUSYM200> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tune In and email WLW Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:16:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85836819 X-Yahoo-Profile: mychucky1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Matt. How are things down under.......thanks for the dialing tip and thanks to Don in St. Petersburg right here in my backyard too. As soon as I check my World Clock I'll give this guy a call and make sure hes legit. Thanks to the group for putting up with my commercialism on the board. Regards Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Trim, Matthew L To: 'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com' Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 11:31 PM Subject: RE: {AMSF} Tune In and email WLW G'day Chuck, When you dial an Australian phone number starting with a 0, drop the 0 and you should be able to connect. So dial this, 011 61 408814965 That will work! Cheers, Matt =) -----Original Message----- From: mychucky@funport.net [mailto:mychucky@funport.net] Sent: Monday, 19 August 2002 4:16 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tune In and email WLW Hey Guys, I just received an order from someone for a Sony SRF-A300 but his email address is bad. He put down www.onhindley.com.au/Tilt for an email address so I got suspicious when it did not go anywhere Does anyone know if Andrew Baans is on this list. It is for a shipment to Australia Perhaps one of you Australian Blokes can tell me if this phone number looks good. 0408814965 From the US I tried dialing 01161-0408814965 but it don't work Thanks guys ----- Original Message ----- From: mychucky@funport.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 12:33 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tune In and email WLW It was originally used By WAPE when it played top 40 in the 60's to 80's. on 690 here in Jacksonville. WOKV is not very majestic now on that freq, The APE moved to FM ----- Original Message ----- From: davidcoons@webtv.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 8:24 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tune In and email WLW the phrase "the mighty 690" is used by wokv jacksonville fl. Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From david.taylor2@acsalaska.net Mon Aug 19 09:28:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: david.taylor2@acsalaska.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Aug 2002 16:28:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 43112 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2002 16:28:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2002 16:28:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO iris.acsalaska.net) (209.112.155.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2002 16:28:03 -0000 Received: from production (209-112-170-149-cdsl-rb1.nwc.acsalaska.net [209.112.170.149]) by iris.acsalaska.net (8.12.5/8.12.5) with SMTP id g7JGS35X053130 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 08:28:03 -0800 (AKDT) (envelope-from david.taylor2@acsalaska.net) Message-ID: <000f01c2479d$5f3a77a0$8747fea9@production> To: "amstereoforum" Subject: Clarion 9425RT AM Stereo/FM Stereo Cassette Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 08:27:54 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Dave Taylor" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81793642 X-Yahoo-Profile: dnktaylor Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Everyone, I confess I've been rather inactive on this list for quite awhile but I'm still a member and still have special place in my heart for AM Stereo. I did want to give this group a first "heads up" about a car stereo I am having to part with. It's a 1989 Clarion 9425RT AM Stereo/FM Stereo Cassette that I had been using in my '89 Nissan Truck. I've listed the unit on Ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1374720043 This model is also listed on "The Official AM Stereo Page" under aftermarket car radios. Anyway, it's in excellent condition and not easy to find one so hopefully someone with an interest in AM Stereo will get it first. Dave Taylor Engineer New Northwest Broadcasters Anchorage, AK KQEZ KRPM KFAT KDBZ (all FM's) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From philipr@irac.pe.ca Mon Aug 19 10:17:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Aug 2002 17:17:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 50517 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2002 17:17:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2002 17:17:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2002 17:17:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2002 17:17:37 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:17:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony SRF-A300 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000901c24783$7042f780$0d01a8c0@Chris1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 554 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Thanks Chris. Phil --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Chris Cuff" wrote: > The SRFA300 is fairly low bandwidth. It is nothing like the A100. The FM > tunes only to 90 mhz. It IS a pleasing radio to listen to, with a nice > mellow sound. There is NO positive stereo indicator. > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "tubesareking" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 8:53 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Sony SRF-A300 > > > > Does anyone on the list have any info as to how good a rig the SRF- > > A300 is? From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Aug 19 17:17:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 20 Aug 2002 00:17:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 7682 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2002 00:17:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2002 00:17:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2002 00:17:46 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-156.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.156]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g7K0DxkC023009 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:14:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004901a8fa7f$4565acc0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <55.2bfde805.2a91eb8e@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Converting an older receiver to AM Stereo? Date: Thu, 24 Jan 1980 18:24:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I did a 1973 vintage Panasonic SC-555, so yes, it should be doable if the local oscillator is stable. Actually the 555 is only marginally stable. If anyone walks too heavy-footed on my living room floor it will lose lock as there's a fairly long wire between the tuning cap and the osc. coil, but it's stable enough under most circumstances. I tried replacing it with a shielded wire, but the extra capacitance threw everything off, so I shortened the original wire so it wouldn't flex as much. TA8124 decoder. As for the Sangean, you have to consider two things- is there enough room inside for a decoder, and second, how stable is the local oscillator? Tune your 803 to a strong station toward the bottom of the dial, and listen to the LO on a second receiver. If there's any modulation of the LO signal, you won't be able to do the conversion. If there's little or none, go ahead. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: > would it be feasible to convert, say, a 1970s-vintage receiver to > receive AM Stereo signals? > I also have a Sangean ATS-803A portable From bryancain57@yahoo.com Mon Aug 19 18:20:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: bryancain57@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 20 Aug 2002 01:20:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 33826 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2002 01:20:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2002 01:20:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2002 01:20:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2002 01:20:01 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:19:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WEWN Reception at 1635 X-Band Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007d01c246b6$d98a31e0$80f9bed8@kredding430cdt> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 404 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bryancain57" X-Originating-IP: 63.188.8.90 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=111365738 X-Yahoo-Profile: bryancain57 --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" wrote: > > REPLY: I've heard of band crossoaver on units that have both bands, > > but my CC doesn't have shortwave. > > Bryan, > > I have a POS CCRadio. This radio is plagued with shortwave images when there > is a strong shortwave signal present. I on occasion get Radio Marti on 1710 > kHz on the CCRadio. > > Kevin REPLY : IC! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Aug 20 18:04:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 21 Aug 2002 01:04:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 93712 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2002 01:04:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2002 01:04:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2002 01:04:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2002 01:04:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 01:04:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 4BH tower collapse Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1365 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.132 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I don't know if 4BH is a current or former AM Stereo station, but this is interesting (and disturbing) in any event: Tower collapse silences station The Courier-Mail (Brisbane, Australia) 20 August 2002 A BRISBANE radio station has been forced off the air after cables anchoring its two transmission towers were cut, sending the towers crashing to the ground. A police spokeswoman said staff from radio station 882 4BH called police at 2.30am (Australian Eastern Standard Time) today, saying the wires had been cut at its transmitter site in the southside suburb of Wynnum West. The 73 metre-high towers fell into surrounding swampland. David Wiltshire, sales manager for 4BH, said the actual transmitting equipment was housed in a building nearby and became overloaded after the towers toppled just before 9pm yesterday. The station, which calls itself "Brisbane's friendliest", is now looking for temporary transmission facilities. Mr Wiltshire said he hoped it would be back on the air within the next couple of days. "It appears to have been a deliberate attack," he said. But he stressed he knew of no-one with a grudge against the station. "We don't really have anything controversial on air as we don't have a talk-back segment," he said. Brisbane's 4BH has an easy listening format and is part of the DMG Radio Australia network. From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Tue Aug 20 18:21:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 21 Aug 2002 01:21:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 13262 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2002 01:21:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2002 01:21:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf10bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.30) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2002 01:21:23 -0000 Received: from juan ([67.35.12.63]) by imf10bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020821012258.ZVAB19269.imf10bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:22:58 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01c248b1$0e1602d0$af78fea9@juan> To: Subject: I need some help...for AM Stereo at WTTB Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:21:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I need some help....in the WTTB quest for Stereo..we are almost there....but the true believers in this list can help even more e-mail me at gualdaj@bellsouth.net It WILL make a difference. Juan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@csiro.au Tue Aug 20 19:13:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 21 Aug 2002 02:13:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 36354 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2002 02:13:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2002 02:13:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2002 02:13:20 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7L2DJk19564; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:13:19 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:13:19 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: "Amstereoforum@Yahoogroups. Com" Cc: <702@your.abc.net.au>, Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re 2BL "Switch-Off" AM-Stereo Australian Listeners In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Mon, 19 Aug 2002, Mike Ryan wrote: > Hi Ian, > > Excellent idea. ABCs Radio National and News radio both Broadcast > in Stereo in Sydney . I will find out the key people and get > back to the Group. I might even try pestering Sony Australia again. AM > isn't broadcast in stereo according to them ! Hi Mike Are you sure about 576 2RN (radio national) and 630 2PB (newsradio) tranmitting in stereo? They've never made it onto an AMS station listing. Have you heard them in stereo? The logical ABC station that should be in stereo is 2BL as it rates so well. I was in Sydney in February and the only pilots I got were 2GB and 2CH. Our local ABC national stations 3RN and 3PB have never been in stereo. Ian Melbourne From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Aug 20 21:50:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 21 Aug 2002 04:50:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 17697 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2002 04:50:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2002 04:50:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2002 04:50:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2002 04:50:32 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 04:50:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: I need some help...for AM Stereo at WTTB Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000d01c248b1$0e1602d0$af78fea9@juan> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1546 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.166 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > It WILL make a difference. Good advice does make a difference! My advice is, take your time, and try to get WTTB sounding the best it possibly can in Stereo. While just being in Stereo will make it sound better than the competition, having an AM Stereo signal that is truly engineered for the best quality will be a real treat for Stereo listeners, and will even make your signal sound better in mono! I should have taken my own advice not to skimp of quality about a week ago when a lighting storm took out my computer modem, and I bought the first one I could find, a "no-name" brand... what a piece of garbage! It would be okay for the first 30 minutes or so, but it is an external modem with no ventilation grilles, so the stupid thing overheats, and then I have to shut it off to let it cool down, or else it won't stay connected for more than a few minutes at a time! Today, I got fed up with that, so I replaced it with a quality "Zoom" modem. While not as good as Hayes or U.S. Robotics, Zoom is a well- known modem brand, and so far it has worked flawlessly for me -- it has large ventilation grilles on all sides, and so far I've had it on for over 3 hours with no problems. It even downloaded an MP3 file at a measured 52.8 kbps, which is the closest I've ever gotten to the 53 kbps limit of dial-up modems. (They are all "capable" of 56 kbps, but doing so would overmodulate the phone line, and the FCC says no-no to that... so the "56K" connection speed actually has 53 kbps as its absolute maximum.) From mikeryan@tpg.com.au Wed Aug 21 02:55:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mikeryan@tpg.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 21 Aug 2002 09:55:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 13908 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2002 09:55:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2002 09:55:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail3.tpgi.com.au) (203.12.160.59) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2002 09:55:57 -0000 Received: from server (syd-ts12-2600-116.tpgi.com.au [203.213.80.116]) by mail3.tpgi.com.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7L9reV14995 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:53:41 +1000 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re 2BL "Switch-Off" AM-Stereo Australian Listeners Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:55:11 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: From: "Mike Ryan" Reply-To: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7573532 X-Yahoo-Profile: mike111ryan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You are correct and I was also corrected today by my friend at the ABC. 2BL .to elaborate. Ummm... hate to tell you, but .... 576 2RN in Sydney is a Mono service (but full bandwidth), and 702 is temporarily running in Mono with reduced bandwidth. Whether 702 stays this way would depend on listener comment/complaint... (big hint - so get writing!! quickly!!!!) Sorry all. -----Original Message----- From: Ian Davidson [mailto:dav259@csiro.au] Sent: 21 August 2002 12:13 PM To: Amstereoforum@Yahoogroups. Com Cc: 702@your.abc.net.au; silchip@siliconchip.com.au Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re 2BL "Switch-Off" AM-Stereo Australian Listeners On Mon, 19 Aug 2002, Mike Ryan wrote: > Hi Ian, > > Excellent idea. ABCs Radio National and News radio both Broadcast > in Stereo in Sydney . I will find out the key people and get > back to the Group. I might even try pestering Sony Australia again. AM > isn't broadcast in stereo according to them ! Hi Mike Are you sure about 576 2RN (radio national) and 630 2PB (newsradio) tranmitting in stereo? They've never made it onto an AMS station listing. Have you heard them in stereo? The logical ABC station that should be in stereo is 2BL as it rates so well. I was in Sydney in February and the only pilots I got were 2GB and 2CH. Our local ABC national stations 3RN and 3PB have never been in stereo. Ian Melbourne Yahoo! Groups Sponsor {short description of image} Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Aug 21 06:05:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 21 Aug 2002 13:05:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 85051 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2002 13:05:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2002 13:05:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14203.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.145) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2002 13:05:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20020821130503.75793.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 06:05:03 PDT Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 06:05:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: How long can you be dark? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio How long can a station stay off the air without getting possible take-over etc...from the FCC? A local AM that I was working to get AMS at was bought a month ago, and has been dark since. Can I protest the license transfer, etc? Does anybody know where I could find the answer? Thanks. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Aug 21 06:28:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 21 Aug 2002 13:28:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 92802 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2002 13:28:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2002 13:28:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r05.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.101) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2002 13:28:18 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id r.85.201b5cde (25305) for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:28:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <85.201b5cde.2a94ef67@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:28:07 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} How long can you be dark? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 534 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/21/2002 9:06:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, toledohamradio@yahoo.com writes: > How long can a station stay off the air without getting possible take-over > etc...from the FCC? A local AM that I was working to get AMS at was bought > a > month ago, and has been dark since. Can I protest the license transfer, > etc? > Does anybody know where I could find the answer? Thanks. > > A station can not be off the air for no more than a one year period. If no actions are filed with the commission and if the station does not broadcast for at least one day out of that year period,the license is forfeited.Then its a long process to get that station back on the air...like starting from scratch. Down this way,Willis Broadcasting owns a few AM stations....they'll be silent except for a few hours one day...and it might be just dead air....all to keep the license active...then its silence for another 364 days! This really irks me! Instead of selling the stations,he does this to them...talk about serving the public alright! 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The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From philipr@irac.pe.ca Wed Aug 21 07:36:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 21 Aug 2002 14:36:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 64119 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2002 14:36:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2002 14:36:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2002 14:36:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2002 14:36:40 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:36:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: How long can you be dark? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <85.201b5cde.2a94ef67@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4635 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking By contrast, in Canada the CRTC takes a much stricter view, with public service being a key concern. Let's say a station has a major transmitter failure, no backup, and is off the air for two weeks. They would be required to notify and keep the CRTC and Industry Canada posted. To simply choose not to broadcast would likely result in the CRTC bringing them in for a hearing to show cause why their license should not be returned to the Commission. The thought of a licensee trying to hand on to a license and a frequency allocation without providing programming to the public would be totally abhorrant to the CRTC. In Nova Scotia, a couple stations years ago had periodic bouts of financial troubles - one placed in receivership at least once, the other at least 2 or 3 times. In both cases the receiver operated the station while a search was on for a buyer. One of these stations is now owned by a large regional chain, while the other is independently owned by its GM, and doing very well, in spite of a very small market. Phil P.S. I may add that it would be unlikely that the CRTC would approve of the purchase of a station, merely to shut it down, whether to reduce competition or allow the upgrade of another stations facilities - increase of power, less restrictive pattern etc. The CRTC looks at the public interest - is it in the public interest to have fewer "voices", no or reduced local service etc. While the CRTC is not perfect, they do a pretty fine job under the circumstances. Same goes for Industry Canada on the technical side. --- In amstereoforum@y..., KC4QLP@a... wrote: > In a message dated 8/21/2002 9:06:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > toledohamradio@y... writes: > > > > How long can a station stay off the air without getting possible take-over > > etc...from the FCC? A local AM that I was working to get AMS at was bought > > a > > month ago, and has been dark since. Can I protest the license transfer, > > etc? > > Does anybody know where I could find the answer? Thanks. > > > > > > A station can not be off the air for no more than a one year period. If no > actions are filed with the commission and if the station does not broadcast > for at least one day out of that year period,the license is forfeited.Then > its a long process to get that station back on the air...like starting from > scratch. > Down this way,Willis Broadcasting owns a few AM stations....they'll be silent > except for a few hours one day...and it might be just dead air....all to keep > the license active...then its silence for another 364 days! This really irks > me! Instead of selling the stations,he does this to them...talk about serving > the public alright! > > Bob Carter > Operations/Engineering > > WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 > Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio > Network > > Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering > services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. > e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@y... > http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice > Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC > WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC > WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC > > AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- > amstereoradio-subcribe@t... > > amstereo-subcribe@t... > amstereoradio-subscribe@y... > > KC4QLP Amateur Radio > Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va > www.kc4qlp.cjb.net > > voice contact-252-335-0856 > fax 1-209-254-8978 > _______________________________________________________ > > WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter > 5, Subchapter II, > "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a > download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of > these terms." > Your message (if actually mailed) is in violation of the Federal Telephone > Consumer Protection Act of 1991, and Collateral Code of Federal Regulations > (47 CFR 64.1200). The TCPA allows a private right of action against the > sender of unsolicited advertising. The recipient can sue for $500, or > actualdamages (whichever is greater). > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- > > > ------------------- > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmdx@fastq.com Wed Aug 21 07:50:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 21 Aug 2002 14:50:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 77324 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2002 14:50:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2002 14:50:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2002 14:50:30 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d187-osel-phx.fastq.com [209.63.214.174]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g7LEoTT87087 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:50:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <039901c24921$5272d140$bff9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <85.201b5cde.2a94ef67@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} How long can you be dark? Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:44:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Instead of selling the stations,he does this to them...talk about serving > the public alright! Bob, If I were a DXer, I would say they were serving me by keeping a frequency open for me to DX on. It would serve me. :) I do understand your point. It shouldn't be this way but it is. The only way to change it is to get congress to change it. Kevin From rjskadl@yahoo.com Wed Aug 21 11:18:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 21 Aug 2002 18:18:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 62074 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2002 18:18:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2002 18:18:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2002 18:18:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2002 18:18:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:18:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: How long can you be dark? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <039901c24921$5272d140$bff9bed8@kredding430cdt> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 984 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 129.49.152.110 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl Barnstable had an AM station on LI that was dark for almosta year. AM 1570 Riverhead was WRHD, but they used it to harbor the WFOG call letters for about a year. They did nothing with this station except simulcast WRCN 103.9 FM. They had a fixed frequency tuner hooked up to an innovonics limiter and from there directly to the Tx. Vandals broke in on Halloween of 1999 and the station didn't make it back on the air until mid October the following year in 2000. The station resumed its simulcasting for about six months, when Barnstable decided to sell it off really cheaply to Five Towns College. The station was shut off in the late spring of 2001 and wasn't brought back on the air until late fall of 2001. It is now up and running as WFTU. For a look at what is left of the facility go to: http://funshow.tripod.com/wftu.html for additional info on WFTU you can check out the LI Radio History Page at http://www.angelfire.com/wy/wnyg/radiohistory.html From rondallb@hotmail.com Wed Aug 21 12:33:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rondallb@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 21 Aug 2002 19:33:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 77133 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2002 19:33:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2002 19:33:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2002 19:33:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2002 19:33:30 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:33:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Successful conversion of Optimus 12-808 AM/FM/SW/TV receiver Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 260 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rondallb2000" X-Originating-IP: 170.142.1.33 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=40468085 X-Yahoo-Profile: rondallb2000 Well, thanks to some help from Chris, I have successfully converted an Optimus 12-808 to AM stereo. It also decodes AM stereo on the shortwave bands as well. I take the output from an external stereo jack into a set of amplified computer speakers. Ron From rondallb@hotmail.com Wed Aug 21 12:36:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rondallb@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 21 Aug 2002 19:36:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 63834 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2002 19:36:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2002 19:36:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2002 19:36:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2002 19:36:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:36:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Sony MHC-F100 AM stereo conversion inquiry Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 435 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rondallb2000" X-Originating-IP: 170.142.1.33 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=40468085 X-Yahoo-Profile: rondallb2000 I am looking to perform an AM stereo conversion on a Sony MHC-F100 bookshelf system. I bought 2 AM stereo decoders from Chris. When I opened the unit to perform the installation, I found that the circuit boards were already set up to decode AM stereo but there are a number of components missing to enable this ability. Does anyone know what the missing components are and where I can get a schematic of the unit? Ron From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Aug 21 13:17:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 21 Aug 2002 20:17:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 28585 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2002 20:17:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2002 20:17:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d07.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2002 20:17:39 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id r.105.1aa04f76 (4410) for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:17:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <105.1aa04f76.2a954f5e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:17:34 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: How long can you be dark? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 8/21/02 2:19:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rjskadl@yahoo.com writes: << Barnstable had an AM station on LI that was dark for almosta year. AM 1570 Riverhead was WRHD, but they used it to harbor the WFOG call letters for about a year. They did nothing with this station except simulcast WRCN 103.9 FM. They had a fixed frequency tuner hooked up to an innovonics limiter and from there directly to the Tx. Vandals broke in on Halloween of 1999 and the station didn't make it back on the air until mid October the following year in 2000. The station resumed its simulcasting for about six months, when Barnstable decided to sell it off really cheaply to Five Towns College. The station was shut off in the late spring of 2001 and wasn't brought back on the air until late fall of 2001. It is now up and running as WFTU >> Sure does look like a sad state of affairs there at that station. Old stations like that..and many I've visited...you can almost hear the sounds of a busy radio station still echoing through the walls of a place like that. You can almost feel the day to day excitement that must have been around those stations in their hey day. Its sad to see them turn into a crumbling shell and hear them on and off the air...doing nothing more than just being a wireless jukebox with no local feel. Sad indeed. BTW..the WFOG calls used to be on an FM station at 92.9 in Suffolk Va for years!...now those calls are on AM 1050 in Norfolk..which used to be WCMS-AM { the simulcast side of WCMS-FM which is still going strong}...the station is sporting "music of your death...err I mean your life" in MONO Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms." Your message (if actually mailed) is in violation of the Federal Telephone Consumer Protection Act of 1991, and Collateral Code of Federal Regulations (47 CFR 64.1200). The TCPA allows a private right of action against the sender of unsolicited advertising. The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Aug 21 16:13:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 21 Aug 2002 23:13:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 76498 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2002 23:13:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2002 23:13:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2002 23:13:22 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-212.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.212]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g7LN9HkC009415 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:09:34 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000b01c24ee8$814299c0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: How long can you be dark? Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:13:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I believe the license is now deleted after one year. If you can show the FCC that you are making a reasonable effort to get the station back on the air, they may give you a few extensions. After that you'd have to apply as if you were building a new facility, except if it was a daytime station where it's gone for good. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "rjskadl" From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Aug 21 16:15:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 21 Aug 2002 23:15:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 78544 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2002 23:15:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2002 23:15:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2002 23:15:10 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-212.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.212]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g7LNBKkC009758 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:11:21 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001501c24ee8$c16e3680$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Successful conversion of Optimus 12-808 AM/FM/SW/TV receiver Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:15:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Congratulations! It's a wonderful feeling as I've done the stereo in my living room (which is as old as many of the people on this list!) as well as the one in my Pathfinder. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "rondallb2000" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 2:33 PM Subject: {AMSF} Successful conversion of Optimus 12-808 AM/FM/SW/TV receiver > Well, thanks to some help from Chris, I have successfully converted > an Optimus 12-808 to AM stereo. It also decodes AM stereo on the > shortwave bands as well. I take the output from an external stereo > jack into a set of amplified computer speakers. > > Ron > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Aug 21 16:16:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 21 Aug 2002 23:16:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 80661 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2002 23:16:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2002 23:16:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2002 23:16:55 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-212.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.212]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g7LND5kC010088 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:13:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001b01c24ee9$00303120$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony MHC-F100 AM stereo conversion inquiry Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:16:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I guess the thing to do would be to find what chip(s) it uses, and find a similar model with the same, and compare the two. Does it happen to use the same set that the SRF-A100 uses? ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "rondallb2000" >I found that the > circuit boards were already set up to decode AM stereo but there are > a number of components missing to enable this ability. Does anyone > know what the missing components are and where I can get a schematic > of the unit? From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Aug 21 16:58:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 21 Aug 2002 23:58:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 64251 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2002 23:58:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2002 23:58:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2002 23:58:56 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-212.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.212]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g7LNt6kC017748 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:55:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <005901c24eee$de9b5520$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <85.201b5cde.2a94ef67@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} How long can you be dark? Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:58:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude THR- If the license transfer has already been approved, then no, you can't protest it. Contrary to what you said, Bob, I think I've read something of the FCC's that would prohibit the kink of conduct you've described. But even if they're lax in enforcement, these stations that the (not so) good bishop owns are a perfect example of where some dirty tricks could pay off big time. Watch his facilities like a hawk for tower light and fencing violations. Not sure if you could do that with public file violations (obviously the station won't have one and he'll claim it didn't need one since it was dark most of the time.) A little fully reversable mischief could see to it he can't even operate on that one day of the year. I'd see if I could get inside the tower fence and do some adjustments to the ATU so the transmitter won't come up, like removing a tap from a coil or some major detuning, making some notes of where it goes so if anyone doing this happens to get caught you can repair what you've done. Or if I could get inside the building, I'd pull a tube or two and hide them. Not actually stealing as it would still be in the building, just not where it's supposed to be in the transmitter. Solid state transmitters are easiest to foil with just detuning. Worst thing that could happen is you'd get charged with a misdemeanor no worse than a traffic ticket since no permanent damage was done. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: > > A local AM that I was working to get AMS at was bought > > a > > month ago, and has been dark since. Can I protest the license transfer, > > etc? > Down this way,Willis Broadcasting owns a few AM stations....they'll be silent > except for a few hours one day...and it might be just dead air....all to keep > the license active...then its silence for another 364 days! This really irks > me! Instead of selling the stations,he does this to them...talk about serving > the public alright! From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Aug 21 17:52:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 22 Aug 2002 00:52:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 13671 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2002 00:52:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2002 00:52:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r08.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.104) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2002 00:52:58 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id r.48.1054f47a (3972) for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:52:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <48.1054f47a.2a958fe3@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:52:51 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} How long can you be dark? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 534 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/21/2002 8:01:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, stodd@sherbtel.net writes: > Contrary to what you said, Bob, I think I've read something of the FCC's > that would prohibit the kink of conduct you've described. But even if > they're lax in enforcement, these stations that the (not so) good bishop > owns are a perfect example of where some dirty tricks could pay off big > time. Watch his facilities like a hawk for tower light and fencing > violations. Not sure if you could do that with public file violations > (obviously the station won't have one and he'll claim it didn't need one > since it was dark most of the time.) > > A little fully reversable mischief could see to it he can't even operate on > that one day of the year. I'd see if I could get inside the tower fence > and > do some adjustments to the ATU so the transmitter won't come up, like > removing a tap from a coil or some major detuning, making some notes of > where it goes so if anyone doing this happens to get caught you can repair > what you've done. Or if I could get inside the building, I'd pull a tube > or > two and hide them. Not actually stealing as it would still be in the > building, just not where it's supposed to be in the transmitter. Solid > state transmitters are easiest to foil with just detuning. Worst thing > that > could happen is you'd get charged with a misdemeanor no worse than a > traffic > ticket since no permanent damage was done. > > ST > Better yet......hehehe..I'm in a great position that I know a few of the contract engineers for him.All I have to do is make sure I take a trip along with them....and oppps!....where did the tube go...or better yet...where did the circuit breaker for the building?...lol It helps to have worked with one of the guys that now is a contract engineer for him. {grin}....I was able to get a few of the stations myself...and have so far corrected a hep of problems at two of his FM's.One good thing..I do not get paid directly from the bishop.{helps that the station has a cash fund within!}.....to many folks go hungry waiting to get paid from him. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Wed Aug 21 18:48:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 22 Aug 2002 01:48:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 89081 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2002 01:48:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2002 01:48:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2002 01:48:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2002 01:48:23 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:48:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: How long can you be dark? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <105.1aa04f76.2a954f5e@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2981 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio Actually, life never has looked better for this station. It will be locally programmed by a college. The station sounds really good right now and alot has changed since those pictures were taken. =Mike Erickson= --- In amstereoforum@y..., KC4QLP@a... wrote: > > Sure does look like a sad state of affairs there at that station. Old > stations like that..and many I've visited...you can almost hear the sounds of > a busy radio station still echoing through the walls of a place like that. > You can almost feel the day to day excitement that must have been around > those stations in their hey day. > Its sad to see them turn into a crumbling shell and hear them on and off the > air...doing nothing more than just being a wireless jukebox with no local > feel. > Sad indeed. > BTW..the WFOG calls used to be on an FM station at 92.9 in Suffolk Va for > years!...now those calls are on AM 1050 in Norfolk..which used to be WCMS-AM > { the simulcast side of WCMS-FM which is still going strong}...the station is > sporting "music of your death...err I mean your life" in MONO > > Bob Carter > Operations/Engineering > > WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 > Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio > Network > > Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering > services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. > e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@y... > http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice > Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC > WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC > WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC > > AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- > amstereoradio- subcribe@t... > > amstereo-subcribe@t... > amstereoradio-subscribe@y... > > KC4QLP Amateur Radio > Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va > www.kc4qlp.cjb.net > > voice contact-252-335-0856 > fax 1-209-254-8978 > _______________________________________________________ > > WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter > 5, Subchapter II, > "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a > download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of > these terms." > Your message (if actually mailed) is in violation of the Federal Telephone > Consumer Protection Act of 1991, and Collateral Code of Federal Regulations > (47 CFR 64.1200). The TCPA allows a private right of action against the > sender of unsolicited advertising. The recipient can sue for $500, or > actualdamages (whichever is greater). > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > > ------------------- From dav259@csiro.au Wed Aug 21 23:00:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 22 Aug 2002 06:00:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 2058 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2002 06:00:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2002 06:00:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2002 06:00:35 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7M60Yk17149 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:00:34 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:00:34 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: The 4BH saga Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public This sabotaging of Brisbane's 4BH transmitting towers seems to have been hushed up in the Oz press - but this report is from greylinedx ... 22 Aug 2002 Brisbane's 4BH is now back on air after a deliberate attack felled the station's two transmitter towers earlier this week. The station is broadcasting from an undisclosed site on low power until its own transmission facilities can be restored. DMG's Mark Spurway told radioinfo about the events of the last few days: Spurway: At 8.41 on Monday night we knew we had a major issue at the transmitter site. The first tower was deliberately felled by someone cutting the guy ropes. The main transmitter immediately went off and the system switched over the standby transmitter and our second tower. Then at 9pm the second tower was knocked out and we went off air altogether. radioinfo: When a tower falls over the transmitter has nowhere to send its load and usually fries. Is that what happened? Spurway: Our standby transmitter is in pretty bad shape because of that, but because our main transmitter switched itself off after the first tower went down, it is probably OK. But the towers are gone. We will be needing new masts. radioinfo: Who was first on the scene? Spurway: Out techs were there first and they thought it was an electrical failure at first, but then they realised it was more than that. You've got to remember it was the middle of the night, so they could not actually see that the towers had fallen down. In the morning they discovered the full magnitude of what had happened. It was a deliberate and well orchestrated act of vandalism. The two towers have been destroyed. radioinfo: Is it a criminal matter? Spurway: Yes, the police were called and since it was a crime scene we were not really allowed to have access until mid afternoon the day after. The police have now mounted a criminal investigation. radioinfo: Did you get help from your competitors. Spurway: Yes, it has been great to have the support of the other local media in this city. All the TV and newspapers covered what happened and other radio stations, such as 4BC, also reported the story in their news bulletins, letting people know why we were off air. I would like to thank other media and our competitors for their support. I would also like to thank Channel 9 and Telstra for their help and community radio. We are now on air because another station has shared their spare tower and transmitter with us. We had to retune it to AM882, but we are back on air now at 1Kw low power from the new site. radioinfo: Where is it? Spurway: I can't say, because we don't want to tip off whoever did it in case there is another attack. radioinfo: How long were you off air? Spurway: 26 hours. We were back on air at 11.30 last night (Tuesday 20 August). radioinfo: Who do you think did it? Spurway: It's impossible to say. It will be very hard to prove anything, but the police are investigating and have been getting some information from local residents about unusual activity at the site in the last few days. You know it was a very dangerous thing to do - when they cut the ropes any one of them could have swung back and hit them, or the tower could have fallen on them, or they could have been electrocuted, so it was a very foolish thing to do. radioinfo: Does this have implications for other stations? Spurway: It sure does. In this business you often wonder what would happen if something went wrong with your transmitter, but you never think it will happen. It is eerie when it does. I think this has implications for every station in the country - we will all have to rethink security at our transmitters. radioinfo: In the last survey you had 7.6% of listeners. Did any of them react to the outage? Spurway: We had 3652 calls in 8 hours to our main switchboard from people trying to find out what happened, and about the same number ringing our studio line. When we told them most were supportive, but one rude man was very abusive and told us we should have broadcast the reason why. If only we could have! radioinfo: Do you have your own team fixing the towers. Spurway: No. There are very few engineers who know much about AM transmitters these days and we were lucky that a few of them are still in Brisbane, so we had their help and the help of various contractors. You know its hard to get transmission techs in this industry now, it is something we should think about as an industry. From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Thu Aug 22 03:07:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 22 Aug 2002 10:07:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 5459 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2002 10:07:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2002 10:07:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.165.53) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2002 10:07:05 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 03:07:04 -0700 Received: from 208.228.96.20 by sea2fd.sea2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:07:04 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony MHC-F100 AM stereo conversion inquiry Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 06:07:04 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Aug 2002 10:07:04.0901 (UTC) FILETIME=[AA930F50:01C249C3] From: "Chris Cuff" X-Originating-IP: [208.228.96.20] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059 I just looked at the schematic for this model- the service manual does not give a diagram of the tuner, as it considers it a "encapsulated component"- meaning you have to replace the board if it goes bad. I have never seen any Sony with the "place on the board" for am stereo- but I HAVE seen many with the place on the board for an RDS chip. I would love to see a pic of this board in the MHCF100. CC >From: "rondallb2000" _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From philipr@irac.pe.ca Thu Aug 22 08:50:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 22 Aug 2002 15:49:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 67861 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2002 15:49:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2002 15:49:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2002 15:49:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2002 15:49:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:49:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT: OTSJUKE Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 787 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking I'm considering getting OTSJUKE automation software for my computer and have downloaded the free 30 day demo. I've barely begun to explore the features, and so far it seems pretty amazing. Does anyone have any experience with it and any advice? I'm also trying to figure out which level I should opt for. The music lovers level doesn't have live input, so as such I would probably be looking at the DJ level. I'm not sure how much extra the real radio station version would offer me - given that this is not for pro radio, but a radio nut "playing radio" and broadcasting at very low power on an Alfredo Lite and a Ramsey FM25B [AM Stereo 1000, FM Stereo 97.5] As well, OTSJUKE is hinting that they will be coming out with multiband limiting in the future. Thanks Phil From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Aug 22 09:07:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 22 Aug 2002 16:07:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 84088 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2002 16:07:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2002 16:07:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.ion-network.com) (63.175.110.11) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2002 16:07:31 -0000 Received: from keva [63.175.110.110] by mail.ion-network.com (SMTPD32-7.10) id A3291C3D002A; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 22:06:01 -0600 Message-ID: <007301c249f6$0dd15400$0701010a@keva> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: OTSJUKE Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:07:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well Phil.....sounds like you're looking at doing exactly the same thing that I'm doing! :) The "Cajun Radio Network" at my shop (Cajun computers) is at AM Stereo 1000 (alfredo lite) FM Stereo 101.5 (sound-feeder). And yes, I'm using OTSJuke. I paid the $50 to actually "buy" the DJ Boombox version. It mixes so very well and it is awesome. I don't know that mine has the "live input" feature or not. And I know it's a few hundred bucks to get the actual full-fledge radio station edition. I couldn't afford that much so this works for me. I love the OTS Juke software. One of the drawbacks is converting all MP3's over to .ots files. The converter is pretty easy to use, though. And I just have a separate machine running Windows2000 Pro that is my "radio station" machine. Seems like with 98 on it, it would crash or freeze up or have a blue screen.....but Win2kPro is quite stable. I probably haven't had to restart that machine in about 2 or 3 months....it just keeps on cruisin'. The compression and limiting that is built in to OTS is nice too. Have to tweak the EQ settings down just a bit....otherwise the high-end will splatter your Alfredo. After some careful tweaking it sounds pretty darn good! Let me know if there's anything else ya need to know. I like it and would recommend it to anyone! MJR in Wyo ----- Original Message ----- From: tubesareking To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 9:49 AM Subject: {AMSF} OT: OTSJUKE I'm considering getting OTSJUKE automation software for my computer and have downloaded the free 30 day demo. I've barely begun to explore the features, and so far it seems pretty amazing. Does anyone have any experience with it and any advice? I'm also trying to figure out which level I should opt for. The music lovers level doesn't have live input, so as such I would probably be looking at the DJ level. I'm not sure how much extra the real radio station version would offer me - given that this is not for pro radio, but a radio nut "playing radio" and broadcasting at very low power on an Alfredo Lite and a Ramsey FM25B [AM Stereo 1000, FM Stereo 97.5] As well, OTSJUKE is hinting that they will be coming out with multiband limiting in the future. Thanks Phil [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mychucky@funport.net Thu Aug 22 09:22:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mychucky@funport.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 22 Aug 2002 16:22:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 94026 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2002 16:22:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2002 16:22:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.funport.com) (216.199.19.6) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2002 16:22:39 -0000 Received: from FatMusic2000 ([]) by mail.funport.com (Merak 5.0.2) with SMTP id JFB36580 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:19:05 -0400 Message-ID: <004b01c249f8$2769d700$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> To: References: <85.201b5cde.2a94ef67@aol.com> <005901c24eee$de9b5520$d3a9fea9@me> Subject: Re: {AMSF} How long can you be dark? Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:22:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85836819 X-Yahoo-Profile: mychucky1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am a little astounded at the suggestion below, stated in writing no less. Hello boys Federal Crime here. Conspiracy Major Felony Hello again State Breaking and Entering Major Felony ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 7:58 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} How long can you be dark? THR- If the license transfer has already been approved, then no, you can't protest it. Contrary to what you said, Bob, I think I've read something of the FCC's that would prohibit the kink of conduct you've described. But even if they're lax in enforcement, these stations that the (not so) good bishop owns are a perfect example of where some dirty tricks could pay off big time. Watch his facilities like a hawk for tower light and fencing violations. Not sure if you could do that with public file violations (obviously the station won't have one and he'll claim it didn't need one since it was dark most of the time.) A little fully reversable mischief could see to it he can't even operate on that one day of the year. I'd see if I could get inside the tower fence and do some adjustments to the ATU so the transmitter won't come up, like removing a tap from a coil or some major detuning, making some notes of where it goes so if anyone doing this happens to get caught you can repair what you've done. Or if I could get inside the building, I'd pull a tube or two and hide them. Not actually stealing as it would still be in the building, just not where it's supposed to be in the transmitter. Solid state transmitters are easiest to foil with just detuning. Worst thing that could happen is you'd get charged with a misdemeanor no worse than a traffic ticket since no permanent damage was done. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: > > A local AM that I was working to get AMS at was bought > > a > > month ago, and has been dark since. Can I protest the license transfer, > > etc? > Down this way,Willis Broadcasting owns a few AM stations....they'll be silent > except for a few hours one day...and it might be just dead air....all to keep > the license active...then its silence for another 364 days! This really irks > me! Instead of selling the stations,he does this to them...talk about serving > the public alright! Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rondallb@hotmail.com Thu Aug 22 09:26:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rondallb@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 22 Aug 2002 16:26:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 47124 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2002 16:26:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2002 16:26:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2002 16:26:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2002 16:26:18 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:26:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony MHC-F100 AM stereo conversion inquiry Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001b01c24ee9$00303120$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1033 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rondallb2000" X-Originating-IP: 170.142.1.33 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=40468085 X-Yahoo-Profile: rondallb2000 Since I dont know which chips the SRF-A100 uses, I couldnt say. I know that the main tuner chip is the BA1450S. According to the spec sheet measurement circuit page, there is a connection that is marked AM stereo. However, I cant be sure how it is utilized. I am still looking into getting the AM stereo activated on this unit. I have ordered a service manual for it from Sony and will let you know what I find out. --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Scott Todd" wrote: > I guess the thing to do would be to find what chip(s) it uses, and find a > similar model with the same, and compare the two. Does it happen to use the > same set that the SRF-A100 uses? > > ST > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rondallb2000" > > > >I found that the > > circuit boards were already set up to decode AM stereo but there are > > a number of components missing to enable this ability. Does anyone > > know what the missing components are and where I can get a schematic > > of the unit? From rondallb@hotmail.com Thu Aug 22 09:29:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rondallb@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 22 Aug 2002 16:29:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 67563 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2002 16:29:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2002 16:29:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2002 16:29:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2002 16:29:22 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:29:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Successful conversion of Optimus 12-808 AM/FM/SW/TV receiver Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001501c24ee8$c16e3680$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1608 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rondallb2000" X-Originating-IP: 170.142.1.33 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=40468085 X-Yahoo-Profile: rondallb2000 Thanks. I like having the AM stereo capability, even if it is on a low end radio. I need to find out where I inject the decoded AM stereo signal back into the circuit on my car stereo before I can complete that conversion. I had it receiving in AM stereo but couldnt find where to connect the decoder output in order to make it work through the stereo audio amp and keep the original volume control active. I can inject the signal straight into the input of the audio amp but then I have no volume control at all. It shouldnt be hard to locate. I just need to spend a little time to do it. I will keep you all informed. --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Scott Todd" wrote: > Congratulations! It's a wonderful feeling as I've done the stereo in my > living room (which is as old as many of the people on this list!) as well as > the one in my Pathfinder. > > ST > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rondallb2000" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 2:33 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Successful conversion of Optimus 12-808 AM/FM/SW/TV receiver > > > > Well, thanks to some help from Chris, I have successfully converted > > an Optimus 12-808 to AM stereo. It also decodes AM stereo on the > > shortwave bands as well. I take the output from an external stereo > > jack into a set of amplified computer speakers. > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > From philipr@irac.pe.ca Thu Aug 22 12:13:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 22 Aug 2002 19:13:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 90699 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2002 19:13:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2002 19:13:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2002 19:13:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2002 19:13:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:13:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: OTSJUKE Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007301c249f6$0dd15400$0701010a@keva> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3077 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Thanks MJR! I've got 29 more days to use the free demo. I suspect I'll be ordering either the $50 or the $100 version, as the full blown radio station rig costs $200 on sale - regular is $400 and the extras really are beyond my needs. When I was playing with the demo last night, it sounded very slick, very pro, much better mixing than the local 75Kw FM station which uses computers in its MCR. Now, I'll just need to record some liners, and convert some 1500 and growing music files! Nice to say goodbye to the MusicMatch gaps! Phil --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Well Phil.....sounds like you're looking at doing exactly the same thing that I'm doing! :) The "Cajun Radio Network" at my shop (Cajun computers) is at AM Stereo 1000 (alfredo lite) FM Stereo 101.5 (sound-feeder). And yes, I'm using OTSJuke. I paid the $50 to actually "buy" the DJ Boombox version. It mixes so very well and it is awesome. I don't know that mine has the "live input" feature or not. And I know it's a few hundred bucks to get the actual full- fledge radio station edition. I couldn't afford that much so this works for me. I love the OTS Juke software. One of the drawbacks is converting all MP3's over to .ots files. The converter is pretty easy to use, though. And I just have a separate machine running Windows2000 Pro that is my "radio station" machine. Seems like with 98 on it, it would crash or freeze up or have a blue screen.....but Win2kPro is quite stable. I probably haven't had to restart that machine in about 2 or 3 months....it just keeps on cruisin'. The compression and limiting that is built in to OTS is nice too. Have to tweak the EQ settings down just a bit....otherwise the high-end will splatter your Alfredo. After some careful tweaking it sounds pretty darn good! > Let me know if there's anything else ya need to know. I like it and would recommend it to anyone! > > MJR in Wyo > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: tubesareking > To: amstereoforum@y... > Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 9:49 AM > Subject: {AMSF} OT: OTSJUKE > > > I'm considering getting OTSJUKE automation software for my computer > and have downloaded the free 30 day demo. I've barely begun to > explore the features, and so far it seems pretty amazing. Does > anyone have any experience with it and any advice? I'm also trying > to figure out which level I should opt for. The music lovers level > doesn't have live input, so as such I would probably be looking at > the DJ level. I'm not sure how much extra the real radio station > version would offer me - given that this is not for pro radio, but a > radio nut "playing radio" and broadcasting at very low power on an > Alfredo Lite and a Ramsey FM25B [AM Stereo 1000, FM Stereo 97.5] > > As well, OTSJUKE is hinting that they will be coming out with > multiband limiting in the future. > > Thanks > > Phil > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereo@optushome.com.au Fri Aug 23 03:21:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@optushome.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 23 Aug 2002 10:21:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 42065 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2002 10:21:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2002 10:21:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail012.syd.optusnet.com.au) (210.49.20.170) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2002 10:21:23 -0000 Received: from durocket1200 (c17302.ipswc1.qld.optusnet.com.au [210.49.44.162]) by mail012.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id g7NALLK11032 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 20:21:21 +1000 Message-ID: <000801c24a8e$c9c94ee0$1a02a8c0@durocket1200> To: References: <1030092244.611.1291.m12@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: OT: OTSJUKE Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 20:21:04 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "voltare - matt2" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=105920058 X-Yahoo-Profile: voltar_e I have the Otsjuke full software ('til end of version one) $200 AUD, i love it, it's running on 2 of my PC's a WINXP unit (Duron 1200) and on Win2K on a VIA C3 800, I must say that it is quite efficiant. my settings at the moment are EQ with a hump setting, AGC : input 1/2 way, thresh -42 target -12 scope +4 attack 5s release +1s Comp: thresh -15 knee +4 ratio 1.3:1 attack 1ms release 140ms Limit: -2dB output (set to your soundcard / tx ability) you may have a slight issue with running 2 transmitters (AM and FM) i recommend installing a 2nd sound card, set output to both cards, and adjust the volumes seperatly to the max of each transmitter. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/2002 From dav259@csiro.au Fri Aug 23 03:33:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 23 Aug 2002 10:33:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 78136 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2002 10:33:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2002 10:33:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2002 10:33:03 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7NAX1k16697; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 20:33:01 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 20:33:01 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: OTSJUKE In-Reply-To: <000801c24a8e$c9c94ee0$1a02a8c0@durocket1200> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Fri, 23 Aug 2002, voltare - matt2 wrote: > I have the Otsjuke full software ('til end of version one) $200 AUD, i love > it, it's running on 2 of my PC's a WINXP unit (Duron 1200) and on Win2K on a > VIA C3 800, I must say that it is quite efficiant. Hey Matt (2) - Does it sound as good as Petula Clark's Greatest Hits on a 20 year old Akai hi-fi system? I doubt it! But each to his own. Hey - funny about the 4BH transmitter sabotage. If only we could prove that Clear Channel was responsible. I've never seen anything media related so hushed up in the press here ... and they're not allowed to own radio stations. Makes you wonder how much they possibly may do ... Ian From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Aug 23 05:36:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 23 Aug 2002 12:36:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 20365 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2002 12:36:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2002 12:36:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2002 12:36:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20020823123651.11075.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 05:36:51 PDT Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 05:36:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Wyoming Stereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hey MJR: How's the newest AMS station doing? Got everything tweeked? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From philipr@irac.pe.ca Fri Aug 23 06:09:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 23 Aug 2002 13:09:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 85693 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2002 13:09:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2002 13:09:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2002 13:09:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2002 13:09:28 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:09:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: GE SR II and III conversions to AM stereo Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2078 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking A while back I did a temporary conversion of a GE SR II to AM Stereo - using one of Chris' decoder boards. I connected the input of the decoder to the IF output coming out of the IC, and it worked great - with feeding the output of the decoder into a stereo amp and speakers. The bandwidth is fairly narrow on the SR II, so I didn't make it a permanent installation. I then got a Sony SRF-42, which satisfied my AM Stereo craving, for a while. Now I'm thinking of trying to convert my SR III in a similar fashion. I believe that the SR III actually has IFs, so this shouldn't be too hard. The SR III has a nice top end on wide, I now have my Alfredo Lite, and the SR series have lots of room for the decoder board. The idea is I would install a 1/8 inch stereo jack on the back of the SR III, then feed the output of the decoder board to this jack. It would then be easy to hook up some amplified computer speakers [perhaps black in colour to match the SR III] and then I'd have a nice 3 piece AM Stereo system [4 piece if I go for a subwoofer]. Before investing in the speakers, it a simple matter to try with my existing computer speakers to make sure this works ok. Other than the #1 precaution with opening up a GE SR [namely, don't break the power switch!] is there anything else I should know? Has anyone tried the SR III conversion? One of the reasons I like the idea of trying to convert an SR III, in addition to its AMAX style bandwidth, is that I don't have to worry about damaging a cassette and/or CD unit inthe process. Plus, I know how to get it apart and back together again :) If anyone has tried the SR III conversion [or a conversion to the RS Optimus clone], please let us know. Once I try mine, I'll post the results. [Hey, if I get a digital camera or a scanner someday, I'll post some pictures and a how to guide!]. GE SR IIIs are dirt cheap here [$60 CDN at Wal-Mart or Canadian Tire]and with the cheap prices for decent computer speakers at Future-Shop, this plan seems to make sense! Cheers from PEI Phil From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Aug 23 06:32:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 23 Aug 2002 13:32:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 3391 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2002 13:32:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2002 13:32:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.ion-network.com) (63.175.110.11) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2002 13:32:11 -0000 Received: from keva [63.175.110.110] by mail.ion-network.com (SMTPD32-7.10) id A04120F7002A; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:30:41 -0600 Message-ID: <002401c24aa9$86b17360$0701010a@keva> To: References: <20020823123651.11075.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Wyoming Stereo Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 07:32:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, it's going okay. It seemed to start behaving itself and being good, although yesterday I notice I was starting to get some of those "loudness surges" again.....where for a second the level will jump a bit. I did a little poking around and I believe Chuck was right about some of the switches on the CRL processors being dirty as well. I had flipped one of them as a matter of fact, and almost didn't get it to go back to normal. It was the "norm / pink noise" switch on the back of the Stereo Preparation Processor. Even this morning...I'm on the air as we speak.....it just did it again. Not sure what's causing it except for dirty switches. I REALLY need to get some good contact cleaner spray. I don't even know if that's available at Radio Shaft anymore. Other than that it is sounding GREAT! And I do know one thing.....I'm modulating about 110%. That's pretty darn loud and it's JUST FINE. There's no distortion. And after riding around in all directions to the fringe, there is NO coverage loss. I guarantee ya I can't pick us up any less in any areas than I could before. Another MYTH!! Of course we already knew this :) I need to get some contact cleaner and do some major cleaning.....maybe even open up the processors as well and get replacement electrolytic capacitors for all the electrolytics in them......they ARE almost 20 years old. I think the "hiss" in the left channel is probably coming from the processors...and not necessarily from the exciter. I just haven't had a lot of time lately. I'm back on the air part time, and still working my computer shop as well....so when I'm off the air, I'll cut an ad or two, and get the heck out of here. I these are just little things. For the most part it really is sounding great! I'm just a perfectionist. Will keep all posted, and I promised an aircheck...and I WILL do that too! MJR n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: Johnny Electron Hey MJR: How's the newest AMS station doing? Got everything tweeked? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Aug 23 08:03:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 23 Aug 2002 15:03:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 86517 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2002 15:03:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2002 15:03:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.ion-network.com) (63.175.110.11) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2002 15:03:28 -0000 Received: from keva [63.175.110.110] by mail.ion-network.com (SMTPD32-7.10) id A5A62164002A; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 21:01:58 -0600 Message-ID: <002d01c24ab6$47574480$0701010a@keva> To: References: <1030092244.611.1291.m12@yahoogroups.com> <000801c24a8e$c9c94ee0$1a02a8c0@durocket1200> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: OTSJUKE Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:03:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmmmmm......that's a great idea Matt! I have my two stations running on a Compaq that is something like a P2 350 or something...I'm not sure...I know it runs well, though...and this machine has the on-board sound card, as well as an additional one that I put in. Now the important question: How do you get OTS to play to both soundcards at the same time? I haven't messed around a whole lot with that sort of thing. What would be REALLY nice is if you could adjust EQ and compression setting separately :) For instance.....you want to dull the high-end a bit for the line that's feeding the Alredo lite so that it doesn't "splatter"...yet for the FM feed you tweak the high end up a bit so it's nice and crisp. Thoughts? Michael [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Aug 23 08:19:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 23 Aug 2002 15:19:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 29640 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2002 15:19:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2002 15:19:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2002 15:19:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2002 15:19:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:19:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: GE SR II and III conversions to AM stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1674 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Unfortunately, both the GE Superadio III and its Radio Shack clone are unsuitable for conversion to AM Stereo. Instead of a regular tuning capacitor, these radios use a varactor system for tuning, which causes an excessive amount of "phase noise". This does not affect mono reception, but since AM Stereo uses phase modulation to transmit the Stereo difference component of the signal, this interference degrades AM Stereo reception on the SR III and Optimus 12-603 to the point where the results are not satisfactory. I have tried converting my Optimus "SR III-clone" to AM Stereo, and while it will lock onto a strong AM Stereo signal, the audio is very noisy in Stereo mode. Unfortunately, there is little that can be done to improve this, short of redesigning the whole tuning section of the radio. The Superadio and Superadio II use a regular tuning capacitor, and therefore make much better conversions to AM Stereo. If you want a wider bandwidth for more pleasing sound, you can try tapping into the IF signal at different points in the circuit, or readjusting the IF coils (I assume these older radios don't use ceramic filters) for a wider bandwidth at the expense of lower selectivity. There are a lot of radios from the '70s and '80s that make excellent conversions to AM Stereo. It's just a matter of finding and trying them. For example I have a Sharp AM/FM/VHF-Weatherband portable radio that has an absolutely incredible AM tuner -- the bandwidth is just as wide as a Superadio III, and it makes a great conversion to AM Stereo. I also have a Seiko stereo system that has a surprisingly wide bandwidth on AM, but I haven't tried converting it yet. From philipr@irac.pe.ca Fri Aug 23 08:52:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 23 Aug 2002 15:52:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 5575 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2002 15:52:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2002 15:52:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2002 15:52:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2002 15:52:27 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:52:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: GE SR II and III conversions to AM stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2116 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Thanks Kevin, I appreciate this! I found with tuning the SR II slightly off station that the fidelity was pretty good, and Chris' decoder board had no trouble locking on, even though the signal was pretty weak. With the nice signal my A/L gives within my house, this should work nicely! I'll keep the SR III for mono hifi use. Phil --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > Unfortunately, both the GE Superadio III and its Radio Shack clone are unsuitable for conversion to AM Stereo. Instead of a regular tuning capacitor, these radios use a varactor system for tuning, which causes an excessive amount of "phase noise". This does not affect mono reception, but since AM Stereo uses phase modulation to transmit the Stereo difference component of the signal, this interference degrades AM Stereo reception on the SR III and Optimus 12-603 to the point where the results are not satisfactory. > > I have tried converting my Optimus "SR III-clone" to AM Stereo, and while it will lock onto a strong AM Stereo signal, the audio is very noisy in Stereo mode. Unfortunately, there is little that can be done to improve this, short of redesigning the whole tuning section of the radio. > > The Superadio and Superadio II use a regular tuning capacitor, and therefore make much better conversions to AM Stereo. If you want a wider bandwidth for more pleasing sound, you can try tapping into the IF signal at different points in the circuit, or readjusting the IF coils (I assume these older radios don't use ceramic filters) for a wider bandwidth at the expense of lower selectivity. > > There are a lot of radios from the '70s and '80s that make excellent conversions to AM Stereo. It's just a matter of finding and trying them. For example I have a Sharp AM/FM/VHF-Weatherband portable radio that has an absolutely incredible AM tuner -- the bandwidth is just as wide as a Superadio III, and it makes a great conversion to AM Stereo. I also have a Seiko stereo system that has a surprisingly wide bandwidth on AM, but I haven't tried converting it yet. From philipr@irac.pe.ca Fri Aug 23 09:08:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 23 Aug 2002 16:08:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 42794 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2002 16:08:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2002 16:08:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2002 16:08:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2002 16:08:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:08:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: contact cleaner Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 923 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking I find DeOxit D5 works very well - its highly recommended for switches and pots on antique radios and should work great for broadcast electronics as well. If you can't find it locally, it should be available through various sources, including antique electronics supply - www.tubesandmore.com - I think is their site. Replacing the caps sounds like a good idea too - I heard through the grapevine that the CE at one of the few remaining AM Stereo stations in the Maritimes replaced all the electrolytics in that stations 10 year old MCR console - a big job - because the s/n was starting to suffer. As we know, caps, especially electrolytics deteriorate with age, heat, and operating in a 24/7 environment imposes challenges too. Still, we should be glad I guess that "wet electrolytics" went the way of the dino - when my Philco Model 66 finally arrives via snail mail I'll have some fun with these! Phil From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Aug 23 14:49:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 23 Aug 2002 21:49:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 56858 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2002 21:49:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2002 21:49:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2002 21:49:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2002 21:49:29 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 21:49:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: OTSJUKE Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002d01c24ab6$47574480$0701010a@keva> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2254 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.140 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > you want to dull the high-end a bit for the line that's feeding the > Alredo lite so that it doesn't "splatter"...yet for the FM feed you > tweak the high end up a bit so it's nice and crisp. Note that the treble pre-emphasis used on FM is more aggressive than what is used on AM (at least according to the NRSC specs), so unless your FM transmitter has built-in peak limiting, you will get just as much "splatter" on it as on an AM transmitter. In my area somebody is running an unlicensed FM Stereo transmitter on 96.7 MHz -- with at least 10 miles of good signal coverage radius!! -- and the "spitting" effect on treble peaks is annoying. Good audio processing is a MUST for the best sound on both AM and FM. I don't know if it is compatible with OTS Juke, as this program was designed to work with WinAmp, but here is a WinAmp plug-in that does Optimod-style multi-band compression and limiting: http://dsp-dee.prv.pl/ It requires a fairly powerful computer -- at least a 266 MHz Pentium -- but if you tweak it up right, the results are excellent. The trick to reducing the "spitting" or "splatter" on treble peaks is to use the Treble Effect to compress/limit the high frequencies. The settings I use are Treble Cutoff Freq of 5.0 kHz (this is the lower limit of the treble processing range), a Treble Effect of 200% (this is the compression/limiting), and a Treble Amp of -10 dB (since you are compressing the treble, you have to reduce it back down in level to prevent the high frequencies from being exaggerated). A simpler version, that is nearly as effective, is also available and will work on slightly older computers, perhaps down to 200 MHz: http://willow.iie.uz.zgora.pl/~mcharydc/dee120setup.exe Here are all of the settings I use for this version: Bass Amp: 2 Bass Dyn: Extreme Bass Frq: 80 Hz Mid Amp: 8 Treb Amp: 0 through 3 (adjust to suit your liking) Treb Dyn: Heavy Treb Frq: 6 or 8 kHz 3D Amp: 0 or 1 Reverb: None AGC On, Hi-Freq Off, Bypass Off With these simple settings, you can get an on-air sound that rivals the early Optimod units! It's not perfect, as the Stereo image is somewhat reduced, but remember: it's free, instead of spending thousands of dollars for an Optimod!! From amstereo@optushome.com.au Fri Aug 23 17:00:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@optushome.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 24 Aug 2002 00:00:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 68097 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2002 00:00:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2002 00:00:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2002 00:00:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2002 00:00:26 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 00:00:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: OTSJUKE Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2439 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "voltar_e" X-Originating-IP: 211.28.96.6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=105920058 X-Yahoo-Profile: voltar_e --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > > you want to dull the high-end a bit for the line that's feeding the > > Alredo lite so that it doesn't "splatter"...yet for the FM feed you > > tweak the high end up a bit so it's nice and crisp. > > Note that the treble pre-emphasis used on FM is more aggressive than > what is used on AM (at least according to the NRSC specs), so unless > your FM transmitter has built-in peak limiting, you will get just as > much "splatter" on it as on an AM transmitter. In my area somebody > is running an unlicensed FM Stereo transmitter on 96.7 MHz -- with at > least 10 miles of good signal coverage radius!! -- and the "spitting" > effect on treble peaks is annoying. Good audio processing is a MUST > for the best sound on both AM and FM. > > I don't know if it is compatible with OTS Juke, as this program was > designed to work with WinAmp, but here is a WinAmp plug-in that does > Optimod-style multi-band compression and limiting: > > http://dsp-dee.prv.pl/ > > It requires a fairly powerful computer -- at least a 266 MHz Pentium > -- but if you tweak it up right, the results are excellent. The > trick to reducing the "spitting" or "splatter" on treble peaks is to > use the Treble Effect to compress/limit the high frequencies. The > settings I use are Treble Cutoff Freq of 5.0 kHz (this is the lower > limit of the treble processing range), a Treble Effect of 200% (this > is the compression/limiting), and a Treble Amp of -10 dB (since you > are compressing the treble, you have to reduce it back down in level > to prevent the high frequencies from being exaggerated). > > A simpler version, that is nearly as effective, is also available and > will work on slightly older computers, perhaps down to 200 MHz: > > http://willow.iie.uz.zgora.pl/~mcharydc/dee120setup.exe > > Here are all of the settings I use for this version: > > Bass Amp: 2 > Bass Dyn: Extreme > Bass Frq: 80 Hz > Mid Amp: 8 > Treb Amp: 0 through 3 (adjust to suit your liking) > Treb Dyn: Heavy > Treb Frq: 6 or 8 kHz > 3D Amp: 0 or 1 > Reverb: None > AGC On, Hi-Freq Off, Bypass Off > > With these simple settings, you can get an on-air sound that rivals > the early Optimod units! It's not perfect, as the Stereo image is > somewhat reduced, but remember: it's free, instead of spending > thousands of dollars for an Optimod!! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Aug 23 18:23:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 24 Aug 2002 01:23:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 53205 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2002 01:23:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2002 01:23:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2002 01:23:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2002 01:23:11 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 01:23:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: OTSJUKE Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 232 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.96.140 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Try again, Matt... I didn't see any message from you amongst your back-quote. Unless, of course, what I had to say left you speechless! --- In amstereoforum@y..., "voltar_e" wrote: > {{long back-quote deleted}} From amstereo@optushome.com.au Fri Aug 23 22:19:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@optushome.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 24 Aug 2002 05:19:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 2428 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2002 05:19:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2002 05:19:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2002 05:19:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2002 05:19:07 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 05:19:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: OTSJUKE Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 48 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "voltar_e" X-Originating-IP: 211.28.96.6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=105920058 X-Yahoo-Profile: voltar_e don't understand what your saying try again... From amstereo@optushome.com.au Fri Aug 23 22:23:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@optushome.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 24 Aug 2002 05:23:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 47309 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2002 05:23:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2002 05:23:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail025.syd.optusnet.com.au) (210.49.20.147) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2002 05:23:18 -0000 Received: from durocket1200 (c17302.ipswc1.qld.optusnet.com.au [210.49.44.162]) by mail025.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id g7O5NHF28340 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 15:23:17 +1000 Message-ID: <000c01c24b2e$4a28ec90$1a02a8c0@durocket1200> To: Subject: Re: OT: OTSJUKE Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 15:22:50 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "voltare - matt2" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=105920058 X-Yahoo-Profile: voltar_e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what i ment to say (though yahoo's web interface killed my text) by going in to the output configuration section of ots, you can select a different card for both air and cue, however, the compressor may not operate with the cue channel, in which case, you'll need to split the output from the soundcard and feed independantly to a EQ on the way through to one of the transmitters, so the sound can be tuned for each transmitter. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/2002 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Sat Aug 24 04:51:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 24 Aug 2002 11:51:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 47901 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2002 11:51:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2002 11:51:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2002 11:51:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2002 11:51:09 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:51:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New email Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 197 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereoguy2001" X-Originating-IP: 208.20.8.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 As of now, I will no longer be using my old email address for mail. Please use amstereoguy@hotmail.com to contact me. My old address (ccuff@in4web.com) will be de-activated at any time now. Chris From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Aug 24 08:24:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 24 Aug 2002 15:24:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 86217 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2002 15:24:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2002 15:24:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2002 15:24:06 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-50.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.50]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g7OFKAkC006467 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 10:20:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002101c25102$76c1ec00$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <85.201b5cde.2a94ef67@aol.com> <005901c24eee$de9b5520$d3a9fea9@me> <004b01c249f8$2769d700$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> Subject: Re: {AMSF} How long can you be dark? Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 10:24:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude If you don't do any permanent damage, you can usually get off with a misdemeanor. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: . Conspiracy Major Felony > Hello again State Breaking and Entering Major Felony From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Aug 24 08:37:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 24 Aug 2002 15:37:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 83591 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2002 15:37:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2002 15:37:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2002 15:37:44 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-50.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.50]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g7OFXnkC008407 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 10:33:51 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <006101c25104$5e006b40$d3a9fea9@me> To: Subject: Fw: Music Industry Unveils New Piracy-Proof Format- OT Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 10:37:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I know its a bit OT, but fun anyway. ST > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Fortenberry" > To: "Multiple recipients of list Engineer.list" > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 2:59 PM > Subject: Music Industry Unveils New Piracy-Proof Format > > > > > > Subject: Music Industry Unveils New Piracy-Proof Format > > > > > > > > > > Breaking News In The Fight Against Audio Piracy!!! > > > > > > Music bosses have unveiled a revolutionary new recording format that they > > > hope will help win the war on illegal file sharing which is thought to be > > > costing the industry millions of dollars in lost revenue. > > > > > > Nicknamed the 'Record', the new format takes the form of a black, vinyl > > > disc measuring 12 inches in diameter, which must be played on a specially > > > designed 'turntable'. > > > > > > "We can state with absolute certainty that no computer in the world can > > > access the data on this disc," said spokesman Brett Campbell. "We are > > > also confident that no-one is going to be able to produce pirate copies > > > in this format without going to a heck of a lot of trouble. This is > > > without doubt the best anti-piracy invention the music industry has ever > > > seen." > > > > > > As part of the invention's rigorous testing process,the designers gave > > > some discs to a group of teenage computer experts who regularly use file > > > swapping software such as Limewire and gnutella and who admit to pirating > > > music CDs. > > > > > > Despite several days of trying, none of them were able to hack into the > > > disc's code or access any of the music files contained within it. > > > > > > "It's like, really big and stuff," said Doug Flamboise, one of the > > > testers. > > > > > > "I couldn't get it into any of my drives. I mean, what format is it? Is > > > it, like, from France or something?" > > > > > > Invention: Teenage computer hackers struggled to access the new disc. > > > > > > In the new format, raw audio data in the form of music is encoded by > > > physically etching grooves onto the vinyl disc. The sound is thus > > > translated into variations on the disc's surface in a process that > > > industry insiders are describing as 'completely revolutionary' and > > > 'stunningly clever.' > > > > > > To decode the data stored on the disc, the listener must use a special > > > player which contains a 'needle' that runs along the grooves on the > > > record surface, reading the indentations and transforming the movements > > > back into audio that can be fed through loudspeakers. > > > > > > Even Shawn Fanning, the man who invented Napster, admits the new format > > > will make file swapping much more difficult. "I've never seen anything > > > like this," he told reporters. "How does it work?" > > > > > > Pirates: Their days are numbered. > > > > > > As rumors that a Taiwanese company has been secretly developing a 12 inch > > > wide, turntable -driven, needle-based, firewire drive remain unconfirmed, > > > it would appear that the music industry may, at last, have found the > > > pirate-proof format it has long been searching for. Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 5:16 PM Subject: Re: Music Industry Unveils New Piracy-Proof Format > Bet it has the potential to sound better ( less d/a conversions and sample rate changes ) and keeps the jocks IN the studio more. > ...and it doesn't have run on a windows-based computer, either I hear ... less $$ for the MS tax .. yeah, I'll be glad to beta-test the new medium in Atlanta when it becomes available.... *snicker* > > [in his Homer Simpson voice goes "mmmmm QRK (rumble rumble)"] > > CJ Jackson > Director of Engineering > Salem Media of Georgia, Inc. > 2970 Peachtree Rd NE Suite 700 > Atlanta, Georgia 30305 > > At 03:59 PM 8/23/2002, you wrote: > > >Subject: Music Industry Unveils New Piracy-Proof Format > > > > > >> > >> Breaking News In The Fight Against Audio Piracy!!! > >> > [cut for brevity] > > > > From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Aug 24 08:45:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 24 Aug 2002 15:45:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 97603 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2002 15:45:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2002 15:45:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2002 15:45:54 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-50.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.50]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g7OFg0kC009411 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 10:42:02 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <008301c25105$82a60580$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <48.1054f47a.2a958fe3@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} How long can you be dark? Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 10:46:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Just make sure there are no ready replacements down at the local Home Depot, Builders' Square, etc. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: > and oppps!....where did the tube go...or better yet...where did > the circuit breaker for the building?...lol From mychucky@funport.net Sat Aug 24 09:10:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mychucky@funport.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 24 Aug 2002 16:10:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 98764 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2002 16:10:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2002 16:10:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.funport.com) (216.199.19.6) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2002 16:10:07 -0000 Received: from FatMusic2000 ([]) by mail.funport.com (Merak 5.0.2) with SMTP id JFB36580 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 12:05:59 -0400 Message-ID: <005f01c24b88$c1cc1c90$1400a8c0@FatMusic2000> To: References: <48.1054f47a.2a958fe3@aol.com> <008301c25105$82a60580$d3a9fea9@me> Subject: Re: {AMSF} How long can you be dark? Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 12:10:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85836819 X-Yahoo-Profile: mychucky1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You boys need to lay off the Nyquil or whatever non prescription meds you are on.. Ha ha ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 11:46 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} How long can you be dark? Just make sure there are no ready replacements down at the local Home Depot, Builders' Square, etc. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: > and oppps!....where did the tube go...or better yet...where did > the circuit breaker for the building?...lol Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sat Aug 24 19:04:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 25 Aug 2002 02:04:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 39122 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2002 02:04:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2002 02:04:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11706.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2002 02:04:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20020825020450.24915.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.35.129] by web11706.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 19:04:50 PDT Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 19:04:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: Music Industry Unveils New Piracy-Proof Format- OT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <006101c25104$5e006b40$d3a9fea9@me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I hear there's even more severe copyright-protection on there called "pops" "scratches" and "skips" which make getting a perfect copy impossible. Plus, I think they've adden an added radio feature called "cue-burn." If only this were true. I would LOVE to see turntables in studios again. This was funny, thanks! 73, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Mon Aug 26 08:02:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 26 Aug 2002 15:02:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 44764 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2002 15:02:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2002 15:02:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2002 15:02:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2002 15:02:45 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:02:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Only a few MP3's still ?? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 166 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" X-Originating-IP: 217.148.41.202 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Kevin I've emailed you about this but you don't seem to want to reply Why so few MP3's now on your site still ?! http://www.geocities.com/amstereoexp/sound.htm From michaelj@vcn.com Mon Aug 26 08:09:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 26 Aug 2002 15:09:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 7249 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2002 15:09:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2002 15:09:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.ion-network.com) (63.175.110.11) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2002 15:09:36 -0000 Received: from keva [63.175.110.110] by mail.ion-network.com (SMTPD32-7.10) id AB922561002A; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 21:08:02 -0600 Message-ID: <007301c24d12$a1775e60$0701010a@keva> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Only a few MP3's still ?? Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 09:09:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marv I noticed a while back if you post here on the site, Kevin will respond. Otherwise when you write him directly at kevtronics@yahoo.com , he doesn't respond. Don't know if it's that he doesn't get it or doesn't regularly check his email or what. I think he's one that usually reads all these posts directly on the yahoogroups site instead of going to his mailbox. Anyways....let's yell really loud now KEVIN!!!!!!! WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!! (ouch! I think i hurt myself!) About your topic....I'll be uploading a few more AMS mp3's soon....one of "before" and one of "after" the AMS conversion here at KEVA in Wyoming. Don't know if that's what you were referring to or not. Good luck! MJR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Aug 26 17:48:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 27 Aug 2002 00:48:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 51874 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2002 00:48:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2002 00:48:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2002 00:48:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2002 00:47:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:47:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Only a few MP3's still ?? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007301c24d12$a1775e60$0701010a@keva> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2716 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.70.46 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics >> KEVIN!!!!!!! WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!! << I'm here! I've just been rather busy lately with other things (a new job in real estate; restoring a classic car; getting ready for another college semester; etc.). The reason why the selection of MP3s is limited is because the demise of Dennis' AM Stereo list a while back also took along with it the vast collection of AM Stereo MP3 recordings on the NRCDXAS server. The files actually still exist at a different location, but you can only access them if you know the exact directory and file name of the file you are trying to get -- which is hard to do because no official index of the MP3 files was kept. For example, if you un-line-wrap this URL, it will access one of the "hidden" files on this server, in this case an EXTREMELY high fidelity AM Stereo recording of 1600 WWRL that would put many FM stations to shame: http://musicandvideo.myftpsite.net/amstereo/files/stations/North-Amer ica/USA/NewYork/wwrlnews.mp3 (And don't tell Dennis... he'll probably freak if he found out that people are still getting to his "private" collection of AM Stereo files -- even though this particular file was recorded and contributed by myself.) Meanwhile, at the time when this collection of MP3 files *was* publically accessible, I tried to rearrange the recordings featured on the web site to only provide examples of AM Stereo at its best quality -- strong, local-quality signals with good fidelity and Stereo separation -- and also files that aren't too long to download (generally less than 1 megabyte each). I would love to expand the collection to include more AM Stereo recordings, including some which we have stored in the Files section here at the AM Stereo Forum, but I am currently limited by the storage space of the GeoCities account the MP3 files on the web site are kept at, which is 15 MB. (The main CompuServe account that the "AMStereoRadio.com" web site is stored on only has 5 MB of storage, so there is no room for more MP3 files there.) The ideal would be to have something like what the NRCDXAS server was -- accessible by FTP to upload files, and accessible through the Web for downloads. I do have an account like this provided through my college, but they have been known to simply wipe out any account holding more than a certain capacity of files, so I don't want to start uploaded dozens of megabytes of AM Stereo MP3s there, only to have it all lost. So, if anybody can provide an FTP/Web server for the use of storing AM Stereo recordings, please contact me privately at kevtronics@yahoo.com -- and I *will* respond, time permitting. Kevin Tekel kevtronics@yahoo.com Webmaster of www.AMStereoRadio.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Aug 26 21:36:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 27 Aug 2002 04:36:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 25347 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2002 04:36:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2002 04:36:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2002 04:36:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2002 04:36:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 04:36:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1430 WNSW Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1577 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.70.46 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I noticed that for the past few days, 1430 WNSW in Newark, NJ (NYC area) has been broadcasting their AM Stereo signal with audio only coming out of the right channel! Mono listeners don't notice any difference because AM Stereo's matrix processing makes up the difference in volume. In Stereo mode, the audio is exclusively in the right channel -- the left channel is completely silent (at least as much as a receiver's Stereo separation allows it to be). It's actually a great test for AM Stereo radios, as only the newer C-Quam decoder designs (MC13022, MC13028, etc.) will reproduce it with proper separation throughout the frequency range, and without any noticeable distortion. True single-channel audio like this is a rarity that the C-Quam system originally had some difficulty handling well, but over time it was improved on both the transmitter and receiver side. Nevertheless, 1430 WNSW does have the capability to transmit great sounding true Stereo sound, out of both channels, and hopefully their engineer will notice this problem soon and fix it. I haven't heard fron Neal recently, but his station (1680 WTTM) is owned by the same company (Multicultural Broadcasting) as WNSW, so if he's reading this, maybe he can ring up the folks at WNSW and let them know they're only broadcasting half of their audio right now! Meanwhile, Multicultural's other flagship AM Stereo station in the NYC area, 930 WPAT (Paterson, NJ), is sounding as great as ever, with full true Stereo sound that most of their ethnic programming makes good use of. From matthew.trim@eds.com Mon Aug 26 22:12:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 27 Aug 2002 05:12:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 93477 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2002 05:12:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2002 05:12:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns5.eds.com) (203.17.185.230) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2002 05:12:50 -0000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com (nnsy-3.eds.com [192.168.1.1]) by ns5.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g7R5CnK17204 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:12:49 +1000 (EST) Received: from nnsy.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7R5CiI27202 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:12:45 +1000 (EST) Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7R5Chq27174 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:12:43 +1000 (EST) Received: by AUSYM000 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:12:40 +1000 Message-ID: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542809CAF299@AUSYM200> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} 1430 WNSW Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:12:31 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 This is interesting - this is the same problem Switch 1197 have with their AMS TX here in Brisbane. As yet they haven't fixed it but perhaps when they return to the airwaves after lending their mast to 4BH 882 while their new rig is being installed, they will have more money to get it fixed. -----Original Message----- From: kevtronics [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, 27 August 2002 2:36 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} 1430 WNSW I noticed that for the past few days, 1430 WNSW in Newark, NJ (NYC area) has been broadcasting their AM Stereo signal with audio only coming out of the right channel! Mono listeners don't notice any difference because AM Stereo's matrix processing makes up the difference in volume. In Stereo mode, the audio is exclusively in the right channel -- the left channel is completely silent (at least as much as a receiver's Stereo separation allows it to be). From amstereo@optushome.com.au Tue Aug 27 05:49:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@optushome.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 27 Aug 2002 12:49:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 32991 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2002 12:49:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2002 12:49:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail016.syd.optusnet.com.au) (210.49.20.174) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2002 12:49:17 -0000 Received: from durocket1200 (c17302.ipswc1.qld.optusnet.com.au [210.49.44.162]) by mail016.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id g7RCnGa24859 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 22:49:16 +1000 Message-ID: <004201c24dc8$17d30ae0$1a02a8c0@durocket1200> To: References: <1030442484.254.31389.m12@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: Only a few MP3's still ?? Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 22:48:50 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "voltare - matt2" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=105920058 X-Yahoo-Profile: voltar_e I've found the list of ALL links to the files, and theres HEAPS, i've got it in a text file at the moment (good 2 hours work) but i've got them, and will begin the mass download tomorrow afternoon. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/2002 From rjskadl@yahoo.com Tue Aug 27 06:17:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 27 Aug 2002 13:17:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 79360 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2002 13:17:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2002 13:17:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2002 13:17:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2002 13:17:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:17:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Only a few MP3's still ?? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 243 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 129.49.152.110 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl > -- accessible by FTP to upload files, and accessible through the Web > for downloads. > Kevin Tekel Kevin. Try checking out Tripod. I believe you get 50 megabytes and you can upload via FTP and access it through the internet. -Russ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Aug 27 10:23:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 27 Aug 2002 17:23:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 21692 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2002 17:23:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2002 17:23:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14202.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.144) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2002 17:23:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20020827172349.10552.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 10:23:49 PDT Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 10:23:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: AMS recordings conversion/posting To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Is there someone who can copy my "regular" CD audio recordings of AMS stations onto MP3's for filing? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Aug 27 10:35:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 27 Aug 2002 17:35:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 44103 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2002 17:35:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2002 17:35:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.ion-network.com) (63.175.110.11) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2002 17:35:25 -0000 Received: from keva [63.175.110.110] by mail.ion-network.com (SMTPD32-7.10) id AF3D3ABC0028; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:33:49 -0600 Message-ID: <000d01c24df0$28e85600$0701010a@keva> To: References: <20020827172349.10552.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS recordings conversion/posting Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:35:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey John... I'm sure I'm one of many that could do this for you and would be happy to. Is your computer not powerful enough to do it yourself? Programs like Musicmatch jukebox will take and rip the tracks right from the CD straight to MP3's. It's pretty easy to do. That's up to you. I could do it for ya or I'm sure any of us here on the list could do it for you as well. I know sometimes it's useful to rip the audio from the CD into a WAV file, and then you can edit it and so forth so that it is a "scoped" air check. I did this with my recordings of KMER when I first put the stereo in up there. I have the actual 90 minute MP3, then edited it down to a "scoped" version and posted that one instead. Even a 90 minute MP3 file is about 95 MB....that's HUGE! As far as a 90 minute WAV file, well...that'd be almost a GIG of space for one file. I know it's also useful to covert everything to MP3 for storage purposes. Then it can always be decoded back to a WAV to be burned as an audio CD again in case you lose your first audio CD. Archival purposes. Most of my air checks that I have, I have burned as both. MP3's for storage purposes, and then audio CD's for listening purposes in any CD player. Good luck and let us know how we can help you. Michael n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: Johnny Electron To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 11:23 AM Subject: {AMSF} AMS recordings conversion/posting Is there someone who can copy my "regular" CD audio recordings of AMS stations onto MP3's for filing? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Aug 27 12:20:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 27 Aug 2002 19:20:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 12165 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2002 19:20:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2002 19:20:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11706.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2002 19:20:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20020827192003.64090.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.37.146] by web11706.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:20:03 PDT Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:20:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: I can't say I'm "sad" about this one. To: ABDX@topica.com Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <0.1600035844.911343203-1463747838-1030474803@topica.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Forever means FOREVER, not 44 years. The people who wanted to bring you 1050 The Team in Toronto are eating crow right now. Read this from North East Radio Watch: "*THIS JUST IN: It's the end of the road for the sports format on Toronto's CHUM (1050). NERW hears the plug is being pulled on the "Team" experiment, which began about a year and a half ago and has failed to produce much in the way of ratings. CHUM ended most of the national network shows on the Team earlier this summer, replacing them with local sports talk in most markets (and flipping formats completely in Peterborough) - but there's word that Tuesday afternoon will mark the end of the format in the flagship market of Toronto. What will replace the Team on 1050? We hear it's going back to oldies as "1050 CHUM," the very format that died, amidst much publicity, last year. Much more next week right here in NERW..." 1050 The Team: 5/7/2001-8/27/2002. Gone, but not forgotten. Rest In Pieces. Anyone who lives near the 1050/CHUM signal please tell us what you hear. I suspect the change will happen at 17:00 E.D.T.. It is supposed to happen today. Also, please report the stereo status. 73! Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Aug 27 12:34:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 27 Aug 2002 19:34:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 62689 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2002 19:34:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2002 19:34:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11701.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2002 19:34:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20020827193442.40154.qmail@web11701.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.37.146] by web11701.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:34:42 PDT Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:34:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [ ABDX ] I can't say I'm "sad" about this one. To: ABDX@topica.com Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <0.1600035844.1608438786-1463747838-1030476146@topica.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Appears I'm too late. CHUM DID switch to oldies at 15:00 (3 P.M.) today. 1050 CHUM IS BACK! FOREVER MEANS FOREVER! 73, Jay,N1WVQ P.S.: The Phone # to call them & congratulate them is (416) 926-7184. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Aug 27 12:38:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 27 Aug 2002 19:38:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 95552 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2002 19:38:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2002 19:38:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2002 19:38:53 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn30.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.34]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:38:53 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: [ ABDX ] I can't say I'm "sad" about this one. Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:38:51 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20020827193442.40154.qmail@web11701.mail.yahoo.com> From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yippee!!!!!!!! Not that I'm anywhere near Toronto, but I think that is awesome news! Now...as Kevin said...in a perfect world....... are they back in stereo?? MJR n WYO -----Original Message----- From: JNR [mailto:a1asurfradio@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 1:35 PM To: ABDX@topica.com Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: [ ABDX ] I can't say I'm "sad" about this one. Appears I'm too late. CHUM DID switch to oldies at 15:00 (3 P.M.) today. 1050 CHUM IS BACK! FOREVER MEANS FOREVER! 73, Jay,N1WVQ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From matthew.trim@eds.com Tue Aug 27 16:19:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 27 Aug 2002 23:19:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 59043 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2002 23:19:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2002 23:19:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns5.eds.com) (203.17.185.230) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2002 23:19:57 -0000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com (nnsy-3.eds.com [192.168.1.1]) by ns5.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g7RNJuL10751 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:19:56 +1000 (EST) Received: from nnsy.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7RNJqi03208 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:19:53 +1000 (EST) Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7RNJps03199 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:19:52 +1000 (EST) Received: by AUSYM000 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:19:50 +1000 Message-ID: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542809CAF2A0@AUSYM200> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} AMS recordings conversion/posting Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:19:50 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 Another good program to convert CD's to MP3's is http://www.exactaudiocopy.de It does jitter checking to ensure that the WAV's that are ripped are 100% the same as the original source CD. It has options to encode the WAV files directly to MP3. You can download LAME MP3 encoder which is regarded as one of the best and use it as a plugin. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Aug 27 18:28:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 28 Aug 2002 01:28:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 95412 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2002 01:28:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2002 01:28:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2002 01:28:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2002 01:28:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 01:28:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: I can't say I'm "sad" about this one. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020827193442.40154.qmail@web11701.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1437 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.76.13 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Appears I'm too late. CHUM DID switch to oldies at 15:00 (3 P.M.) > today. 1050 CHUM IS BACK! FOREVER MEANS FOREVER! Anybody know what has happened to 920 CJCH in Halifax? Last time I checked up on them, they were broadcasting "The Team" sports format with an AM Stereo signal. The network programming was all mono of course, but I do recall there being some true Stereo content on the local commercials and IDs. Meanwhile, we can only hope that Entercom will also see the light and switch their blockbuster 50,000-watt AM Stereo station 1520 WWKB in Buffalo, NY back to a music format. Rumour had it that a few months ago, they were all set to flip WWKB to some sort of Oldies or Classic Rock format, but due to "budget cutbacks" it was cancelled and the boring talk programming continues on WWKB. Now that this format has scored in with a pathetic Arbitron rating of 0.3, making them the lowest rated station in Buffalo, maybe CHUM flipping back to Oldies will give them the right idea to try music again on WWKB. Even the "Real Country" satellite country format that "KB-1520" had in the 1990s was pretty good -- it sounded *excellent* in AM Stereo, and they would gain many estranged country music listeners when their nighttime skywave signal booms into the New York City area, which currently does not have *any* station playing country music except a 250-watt daytime-only AM station in suburban NJ! From philipr@irac.pe.ca Wed Aug 28 05:00:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 28 Aug 2002 12:00:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 48270 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2002 12:00:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2002 12:00:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2002 12:00:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2002 12:00:07 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:00:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Great news RE CHUM! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2313 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking This is indeed great news! Could be that after a pronounced decline in Canada, AM radio will finally make a turn-a-round. I'll keep tabs on CJCH. Last time I checked, [Monday night] they were still sports. But, seems this format change for CHUM happened since then. What would make sense for CJCH would be a harder oldies format. CHNS is oldies, but its fairly mild stuff. I'd love to see CJCH adopt a retro 70s and 80s format - complete with the old jingles, crass sounding announcers along with a "fun" sound - lots of patter, good natured humour, and not taking themselves two seriously. I'll always remember "The Best, The Most Music and More, on the Super Summer of '74" What will officially mark the turnaround of AM radio in Canada? Well, when CJFX pulls the plug on its state of the art AM Stereo transmitter site in favour of FM. For the last 20 years, they have preferred to follow rather than lead. [From sign-on in 1943 to 1980, they enjoyed blazing their own trail to high ratings and listener loyalty, doing things a bit differently] Now, if they dump something, its sure to be popular within a month later! A year ago they dropped a varied format in favour of "Lite Rock", which in their case really is more soft rock or easy rock - its too mushy. Shortly thereafter, their previous "varied format" - ranging from Faith Hill to J-Lo, to Styx and the Rolling Stones, along with Top 40 and a good dose of East Coast music, started poping up - CKTO, CKBW etc. Variety is now cool, and CJFX let variety go. Once 580 opens up, and the party at CFRA winds down [50,000 watts at night?! YEAH BABY!]AM Stereo will be officially declared COOL. Oh yes, CFRA has long wished for a solid nightime signal for the all important Ottawa to Montreal route, and only CJFX stood in their way. And, there will be a lot of angry Cape Bretoners who will get nothing but white noise on 98.9, who used to enjoy a solid signal on 580. Of course, having music back on CHUM, and hopefully 92 CJCH AM Stereo too, may help the cause as well! If CJCH is playing music in AM stereo, maybe that will encourage CHNS to engineer a proper STL and switch their CQUAM exciter back on. There is gold in 'them - there' kilohertz! Catch the wave - the groundwave - the skywave! Phil From philipr@irac.pe.ca Wed Aug 28 06:08:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 28 Aug 2002 13:08:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 30721 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2002 13:08:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2002 13:08:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2002 13:08:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2002 13:08:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:08:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Follow up: Re: Great news RE CHUM! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3123 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Just in follow up, according to the Halifax Daily News, CJCH will return to an oldies format, with a local talk-show - The Hotline - extended to 2 hours. The Hotline had originally been on CJCH, but was moved to CFDR [aka KIXX] when the Team experiment began. Something for me to listen to in AM Stereo! The bad news is that many good people in Toronto who worked on The Team network lose their jobs. Because of voicetracking and the CHUM-newcap LMA in Halifax, I don't imagine this will really result in any new jobs in Halifax. But, you never know! At any rate, it is good news for AM Radio, and AM Stereo in particular. Phil --- In amstereoforum@y..., "tubesareking" wrote: > This is indeed great news! Could be that after a pronounced decline > in Canada, AM radio will finally make a turn-a-round. > > I'll keep tabs on CJCH. Last time I checked, [Monday night] they > were still sports. But, seems this format change for CHUM happened > since then. > > What would make sense for CJCH would be a harder oldies format. > CHNS is oldies, but its fairly mild stuff. I'd love to see CJCH > adopt a retro 70s and 80s format - complete with the old jingles, > crass sounding announcers along with a "fun" sound - lots of patter, > good natured humour, and not taking themselves two seriously. I'll > always remember "The Best, The Most Music and More, on the Super > Summer of '74" > > What will officially mark the turnaround of AM radio in Canada? > Well, when CJFX pulls the plug on its state of the art AM Stereo > transmitter site in favour of FM. For the last 20 years, they have > preferred to follow rather than lead. [From sign-on in 1943 to > 1980, they enjoyed blazing their own trail to high ratings and > listener loyalty, doing things a bit differently] Now, if they dump > something, its sure to be popular within a month later! A year ago > they dropped a varied format in favour of "Lite Rock", which in > their case really is more soft rock or easy rock - its too mushy. > Shortly thereafter, their previous "varied format" - ranging from > Faith Hill to J-Lo, to Styx and the Rolling Stones, along with Top > 40 and a good dose of East Coast music, started poping up - CKTO, > CKBW etc. Variety is now cool, and CJFX let variety go. Once 580 > opens up, and the party at CFRA winds down [50,000 watts at night?! > YEAH BABY!]AM Stereo will be officially declared COOL. Oh yes, CFRA > has long wished for a solid nightime signal for the all important > Ottawa to Montreal route, and only CJFX stood in their way. And, > there will be a lot of angry Cape Bretoners who will get nothing but > white noise on 98.9, who used to enjoy a solid signal on 580. > > Of course, having music back on CHUM, and hopefully 92 CJCH AM > Stereo too, may help the cause as well! If CJCH is playing music in > AM stereo, maybe that will encourage CHNS to engineer a proper STL > and switch their CQUAM exciter back on. > > There is gold in 'them - there' kilohertz! Catch the wave - the > groundwave - the skywave! > > Phil From michaelj@vcn.com Wed Aug 28 07:19:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 28 Aug 2002 14:19:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 96818 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2002 14:19:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2002 14:19:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.ion-network.com) (63.175.110.11) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2002 14:19:15 -0000 Received: from keva [63.175.110.110] by mail.ion-network.com (SMTPD32-7.10) id A2C2148A002C; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 20:17:38 -0600 Message-ID: <002901c24e9d$ea07b1c0$0701010a@keva> To: References: Subject: AM Stereo FTP site Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 08:19:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi gang I know a few days ago...we were talking about the old AM STEREO ftp site that used to be housed at NRCDXAS. It now resides at ftp://amstereo.audio-stream.net Everything is set up just like it was before. Enjoy! :) Working on getting my new airchecks up there too....just airchecked myself about an hour ago. This is part of my before/after thing. A few weeks ago before I put the stereo in, I did a quick aircheck of the network. These were done with my SRF-42 right into my laptop. They're both about 60 seconds in length I think. As soon as someone lets me know how to get these onto the ftp site there, there they'll be. Otherwise I don't have anywhere to stick them. MJR n WYO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Aug 28 07:36:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 28 Aug 2002 14:36:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 41580 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2002 14:36:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2002 14:36:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2002 14:36:10 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-109.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.109]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g7SEWB9Y017586 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:32:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002201c24ea0$4c0f4c00$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Great news RE CHUM! Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:36:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Does CHNS still operate SW CHNX? ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "tubesareking" > If CJCH is playing music in > AM stereo, maybe that will encourage CHNS to engineer a proper STL > and switch their CQUAM exciter back on. From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Wed Aug 28 08:06:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 28 Aug 2002 15:06:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 91250 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2002 15:06:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2002 15:06:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2002 15:06:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2002 15:06:04 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:06:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: FW: Javaradio Perth Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 369 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amstereofan" X-Originating-IP: 217.148.41.198 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Javaradio Perth - Now a fast loader By Webmaster 2002-08-22 14:17:52 Perth Javaradio has been technically upgraded so its loading times are reduced. It is the remotest city in the world and its really interesting to tune the airwaves in the southern hemisphere. Try the Javaradio in Perth, Western Australia http://www.javaradio.com/ http://vk6ksj.javaradio.com/ From fanfare@globility.com Wed Aug 28 08:15:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 28 Aug 2002 15:15:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 11688 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2002 15:15:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2002 15:15:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2002 15:15:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2002 15:15:04 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:15:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Yes CHUM is alive and in living stereo! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 917 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amfmguy" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.235.100 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy You could have bowled me over with a feather when my wife told about CHUM changing format. She was watching CITY-TV's all-news channel and Jim Waters, CHUM V/P was on announcing the format change. No excuses. The sports format didn't work ... no one's fault but their own for choosing it. Let's get on with life. I have our FTA-100 on it now and the fidelity and separation are pretty nice. Processing is a little sharp at the top end but, taking into consideration the bandwidth, certainly palatable. It will definitely be heard on the drive. I will slave some soundbites as soon as I can. My audio system and my computer are one floor away from each other at the moment. Pilot by pilot, AMS is on the move! M. P.S. Being a radio brat, and having known CHUM for some 40 years, I have some pretty fond memories of its evolution. I am personally very happy that it has rediscovered its musical roots. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Aug 28 09:42:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 28 Aug 2002 16:42:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 34155 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2002 16:42:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2002 16:42:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2002 16:42:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2002 16:42:43 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:42:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Great news RE CHUM! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002201c24ea0$4c0f4c00$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1565 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics >> Does CHNS still operate SW CHNX? << As I recall Alex saying, the 6130 CHNX transmitter was getting old and unre= =3D=0D liable, and could not operate at its full power level (a whopping 500 watts= )=3D=0D so rather than spend the time and effort to fix it up, CHNS shut down thei= r=3D=0D shortwave relay on CHNX. Out of the handful of Canadian AM stations that have had shortwave relays, = =3D=0D I'm pretty sure 6070 CFRX is still on the air, simulcasting 1010 CFRB with = a=3D=0D 1000 watt signal. I have heard CFRX during the daytime on shortwave here = i=3D=0D n NJ but none of the others. Here is some info from a web site last updated in 2001: Shortwave station & power / AM station & power / location 6005 kHz =96 CFCX - 500 Watts 600 kHz - CIQC - 50,000 Watts = =3D=0D Montreal, Quebec 6030 kHz =96 CFVP =96 100 Watts 1060 kHz =96 CKMX =96 50,000 Watts = Calg=3D=0D ary, Alberta 6070 kHz =96 CFRX =96 1,000 Watts 1010 kHz - CFRB =96 50,000 Watts = Tor=3D=0D onto, Ontario 6080 kHz =96 CKFX =96 10 Watts 1130 kHz =96 CKWX =96 50,000 Watts = Van=3D=0D couver, British Colombia 6130 kHz =96 CHNX =96 50 Watts 960 kHz =96 CHNS - 10,000 Watts = Hal=3D=0D ifax, Nova Scotia 6160 kHz =96 CKZN =96 300 Watts 640 kHz =96 CBN =96 10,000 Watts = St=3D=0D . Johns, Newfoundland 6160 kHz =96 CKZU =96 500 Watts 690 kHz =96 CBU =96 50,000 Watts = V=3D=0D ancouver, British Colombia CFCX (6005 kHz) and CKFX (6080 kHz) are no longer active on shortwave. CHNX= =3D=0D (6130 kHz) is also off the air due to problems with their transmitter. From meridian3891@cs.com Wed Aug 28 10:03:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: meridian3891@cs.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 28 Aug 2002 17:03:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 74674 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2002 17:03:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2002 17:03:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2002 17:03:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2002 17:03:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:03:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Great news RE CHUM! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1973 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "onemeridian" X-Originating-IP: 205.166.36.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=48487815 X-Yahoo-Profile: onemeridian The transmitter for 6005 CFCX malfunctioned several years ago; the=20 parts are no longer available & the staff decided not to have the SW=20 relay anymore; they saw it as a liability, not anything that wuld=20 bring in any $$. ;-( Tony --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > >> Does CHNS still operate SW CHNX? << >=20 > As I recall Alex saying, the 6130 CHNX transmitter was getting old=20 and unre=3D > liable, and could not operate at its full power level (a whopping=20 500 watts)=3D > so rather than spend the time and effort to fix it up, CHNS shut=20 down their=3D > shortwave relay on CHNX. >=20 > Out of the handful of Canadian AM stations that have had shortwave=20 relays, =3D > I'm pretty sure 6070 CFRX is still on the air, simulcasting 1010=20 CFRB with a=3D > 1000 watt signal. I have heard CFRX during the daytime on=20 shortwave here i=3D > n NJ but none of the others. >=20 > Here is some info from a web site last updated in 2001: >=20 > Shortwave station & power / AM station & power / location >=20 > 6005 kHz =96 CFCX - 500 Watts 600 kHz - CIQC - 50,000=20 Watts =3D > Montreal, Quebec > 6030 kHz =96 CFVP =96 100 Watts 1060 kHz =96 CKMX =96 50,000=20 Watts Calg=3D > ary, Alberta > 6070 kHz =96 CFRX =96 1,000 Watts 1010 kHz - CFRB =96 50,000=20 Watts Tor=3D > onto, Ontario > 6080 kHz =96 CKFX =96 10 Watts 1130 kHz =96 CKWX =96 50,000=20 Watts Van=3D > couver, British Colombia > 6130 kHz =96 CHNX =96 50 Watts 960 kHz =96 CHNS - 10,000=20 Watts Hal=3D > ifax, Nova Scotia > 6160 kHz =96 CKZN =96 300 Watts 640 kHz =96 CBN =96 10,000=20 Watts St=3D > . Johns, Newfoundland > 6160 kHz =96 CKZU =96 500 Watts 690 kHz =96 CBU =96 50,000=20 Watts V=3D > ancouver, British Colombia >=20 > CFCX (6005 kHz) and CKFX (6080 kHz) are no longer active on=20 shortwave. CHNX=3D > (6130 kHz) is also off the air due to problems with their=20 transmitter. 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Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Aug 28 15:33:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 28 Aug 2002 22:33:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 52370 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2002 22:33:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2002 22:33:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2002 22:33:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2002 22:33:10 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:33:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 740 WJIB Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1106 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.13 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics This was posted to another radio message group, and I thought I'd share it here: -------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted by Peter Q. George (K1XRB) on August 28, 2002 at 12:10:04: I will be the first to say that dollar for dollar, Nautel puts out a great product. If you live in the Boston area, take a good listen to WJIB/740. I installed their first Optimod on that station nearly 10 years ago. I also assisted in the conversion to Stereo a few months later. Their Nautel Ampfet 400 (while being run at 250 watts) sounds better than most other stations in the market. Chief Engineer Grady Moates is doing a superb job in keeping that station sounding good. Some people wonder... "that is 250 watts"? Yes, it is. That Nautel is great sounding rig. In fact, WJIB has two of them! At night they use a faithful LPB low power rig that covers Boston like a glove. And that is only 5 watts! WJIB is owned by my good friend Bob Bittner, who was a rabid WABC fan during his youth, himself! Peter Q. George (K1XRB) Whitman, Massachusetts petequentin@yahoo.com From jeffdeck@aol.com Wed Aug 28 15:51:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 28 Aug 2002 22:50:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 78628 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2002 22:50:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2002 22:50:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2002 22:50:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2002 22:50:58 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:50:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Yes CHUM is alive and in living stereo! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1075 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jeffdeck2001" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.189.99 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4430287 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Thanks for the report Kevin. Er, I mean Marv! In a message dated 8/28/2002 11:18:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, amfmguy writes: >You could have bowled me over with a feather when my wife told about >CHUM changing format. She was watching CITY-TV's all-news channel >and Jim Waters, CHUM V/P was on announcing the format change. No >excuses. The sports format didn't work ... no one's fault but their >own for choosing it. Let's get on with life. > >I have our FTA-100 on it now and the fidelity and separation are >pretty nice. Processing is a little sharp at the top end but, >taking into consideration the bandwidth, certainly palatable. It >will definitely be heard on the drive. > >I will slave some soundbites as soon as I can. My audio system and >my computer are one floor away from each other at the moment. > >Pilot by pilot, AMS is on the move! > >M. > >P.S. Being a radio brat, and having known CHUM for some 40 years, I >have some pretty fond memories of its evolution. I am personally >very happy that it has rediscovered its musical roots. From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Wed Aug 28 17:29:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 29 Aug 2002 00:29:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 54805 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2002 00:29:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2002 00:29:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2002 00:29:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2002 00:29:18 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 00:29:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 740 WJIB Nautel Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1282 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio Too bad it was a Nautel. Not the greatest of AM transmitters. --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > This was posted to another radio message group, and I thought I'd > share it here: > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Posted by Peter Q. George (K1XRB) on August 28, 2002 at 12:10:04: > > I will be the first to say that dollar for dollar, Nautel puts out a > great product. If you live in the Boston area, take a good listen to > WJIB/740. I installed their first Optimod on that station nearly 10 > years ago. I also assisted in the conversion to Stereo a few months > later. Their Nautel Ampfet 400 (while being run at 250 watts) sounds > better than most other stations in the market. Chief Engineer Grady > Moates is doing a superb job in keeping that station sounding good. > Some people wonder... "that is 250 watts"? Yes, it is. That Nautel is > great sounding rig. In fact, WJIB has two of them! At night they use > a faithful LPB low power rig that covers Boston like a glove. And > that is only 5 watts! WJIB is owned by my good friend Bob Bittner, > who was a rabid WABC fan during his youth, himself! > > Peter Q. George (K1XRB) > Whitman, Massachusetts > petequentin@y... From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Aug 28 18:37:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 29 Aug 2002 01:37:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 16072 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2002 01:37:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2002 01:37:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2002 01:37:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2002 01:37:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 01:37:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 740 WJIB Nautel Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1252 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.13 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics >> Too bad it was a Nautel. Not the greatest of AM transmitters. << Well, so far Nautel has been the only manufacturer of transmitters and C-Quam exciters to participate here in the AM Stereo Forum, so in any event we should give them our support. Given proper configuration and maintenance, just about any kind of transmitter can be made to sound good and perform well. I have even encountered old tube-type transmitters like Raytheon, Collins, and RCA that still sound great on the air. One of my local AM stations switched from a vintage 1971 Collins to a Harris transmitter in the mid-'90s, and I noticed no improvement in signal coverage or sound quality. If anything, it lost a bit of the classic "tube" sound which worked well together with their home-brew audio processor. (There is nothing quite like a station whose engineer built a custom audio processor exclusively suited for the type of music and talk programming they broadcast. In this case, it is perfected enough that their processor only has a single knob and a simple LED level meter on the front panel -- everything else is pre-configured by component values in the circuitry. They call it the "Rontimod", after Ronald Michels, the engineer who built it.) From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Wed Aug 28 19:06:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 29 Aug 2002 02:05:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 48153 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2002 02:05:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2002 02:05:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2002 02:05:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2002 02:05:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 02:05:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 740 WJIB Nautel Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2103 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio > Well, so far Nautel has been the only manufacturer of transmitters > and C-Quam exciters to participate here in the AM Stereo Forum, so in > any event we should give them our support. > It isn't. Nautel is an inferior product. Just because they participate doesn't mean we should support their product. We should tell them how to IMPROVE what they've made (like tuning networks and transmitters that don't have sh*t fits in directional patterns). > Given proper configuration and maintenance, just about any kind of > transmitter can be made to sound good and perform well. I have even > encountered old tube-type transmitters like Raytheon, Collins, and > RCA that still sound great on the air. One of my local AM stations > switched from a vintage 1971 Collins to a Harris transmitter in the > mid-'90s, and I noticed no improvement in signal coverage or sound > quality. If anything, it lost a bit of the classic "tube" sound > which worked well together with their home-brew audio processor. > (There is nothing quite like a station whose engineer built a custom > audio processor exclusively suited for the type of music and talk > programming they broadcast. In this case, it is perfected enough > that their processor only has a single knob and a simple LED level > meter on the front panel -- everything else is pre-configured by > component values in the circuitry. They call it the "Rontimod", > after Ronald Michels, the engineer who built it.) I've herad the Rontimod. It does sound pretty good (much better than stale 'ol Optimod). I get digusted when these god-awful consultants come in and say that products like the Rontimod are not as good as the science of an Optimod, which I think is smoke and mirrors. Ever notice that music on AM started to die not long after stations started to use the flat sounding Optimod? The audio didn't have the depth and excitement it used to have. Good processing is clean and loud and punchy. It can be obtained... but it CAN'T be obtained with an Optimod, which limits is controls to dumb and dumber. From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Aug 28 19:23:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 29 Aug 2002 02:23:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 14399 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2002 02:23:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2002 02:23:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.7) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2002 02:23:38 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.16f.12e45a5c (1320) for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:23:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <16f.12e45a5c.2a9edfa6@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:23:34 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 740 WJIB Nautel To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 8/28/02 10:06:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, evergreenterrace@buzzle.com writes: << It isn't. Nautel is an inferior product. Just because they participate doesn't mean we should support their product. We should tell them how to IMPROVE what they've made (like tuning networks and transmitters that don't have sh*t fits in directional patterns). >> What sort of "FIT" is it having in directional patterns? Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From n0uiheric@aol.com Wed Aug 28 23:57:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 29 Aug 2002 06:57:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 36411 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2002 06:57:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2002 06:57:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r09.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.105) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2002 06:57:24 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.96.2bb08c5a (16335) for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 02:57:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <96.2bb08c5a.2a9f1fcb@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 02:57:15 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Follow up: Re: Great news RE CHUM! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Question: Will CHNS flip to talk? 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From n0uiheric@aol.com Wed Aug 28 23:57:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 29 Aug 2002 06:57:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 48806 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2002 06:57:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2002 06:57:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r09.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.105) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2002 06:57:24 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.ce.2bbffb57 (16335) for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 02:57:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 02:57:16 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: I can't say I'm "sad" about this one. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih I wish Bonneville would do the same for WRTH 1430. And since St. Louis lost it's Oldies station, wouldn't it be nice if Crawford flipped KJSL 630 to Oldies? BTW, the KXOK calls are still available for Crawford. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From philipr@irac.pe.ca Thu Aug 29 05:48:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 29 Aug 2002 12:48:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 86965 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2002 12:48:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2002 12:48:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2002 12:48:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2002 12:48:37 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 12:48:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: CJCH update Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1757 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking My brother, the radio guru, passed along to me the info that 92 CJCH will commence its new format of an oldies / local news / talk mix on September 3, 2002. Brian Phillips will return to CJCH after doing the mornings on fellow LMA station CIEZ aka Sun FM [Halifax's E-Z rock, soft rock, aka I need another cup of coffee before I fall asleep station]. Yesterday, CJCH was carrying satellitte fed sports, but their newscasts sounded like the good old days of radio, and they were calling themselves CJCH, rather than Team 920. Thank goodness someone will use call letters! I am hoping that CHNS will either stay oldies, or maybe try a smooth jazz format. I'd love to see a return of the old days, and see CHNS and CJCH actually competing! The last I heard, MBS had, or was thinking of, buying a new 500 or so watt transmitter for CHNX. As I understand it, their signal is [or was] beamed to Europe or Europe and the Eastern Seaboard of the USA. In other words, it would be easier to pick it up in London or New York than in the Maritimes. RE: OT itmes - Folks, lets concentrate on the things that bring us together, rather than the things that drive us apart. You've heard the old story - Don't discuss religion or politics at the dinner table -. What we have in common is we are a bunch of human beings who are supporters of am stereo. Invariably, we are also a bunch of radio people - whether we are CEs, announcers, listeners, work for manufacturers etc. When we stray off topic, sometimes we offend others without meaning too. There are plenty of forums to discuss these other areas. Let's stick to radio, am stereo and closely related topics. Let's treat each other as a friend in the cause of AM Stereo! Phil From groucho@skyweb.net Thu Aug 29 17:42:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 30 Aug 2002 00:42:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 74308 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2002 00:42:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2002 00:42:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2002 00:42:13 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g7U0frIk029059 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 20:41:54 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3D6EBE9B.C532A231@skyweb.net> Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 20:38:51 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Subject: RE:WTTM 1680 AM STEREO X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hear Ye, Hear Ye , Hear Ye let it Be known on this date the 29th of August In the Year 2002 That Radio station WTTM On a frequency of 1680 Khz and at the hour of 7 O'Clock PM. During the Show CLUB 1680 has become in all its Glory Full Fidelity AM STEREO...... This Engineer has a grin from Ear to Ear............... It sounds Awesome..... Neal Newman Chief Engineer and Stereo maker WTTM 1680 am STEREO!!!!!!!!!!! America's Largest South Asian Music,News ,Talk Station I hope all Of you Enjoy the Full Fidelity Sound Of this station I already do. My New motto....." I'll never go back to mono AM again if I can help it" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu Aug 29 21:03:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 30 Aug 2002 04:03:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 69007 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2002 04:03:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2002 04:03:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.121) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2002 04:03:25 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:03:25 -0700 Received: from 209.240.222.32 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 04:03:23 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@bellsouth.net Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} RE:WTTM 1680 AM STEREO Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 04:03:23 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Aug 2002 04:03:25.0724 (UTC) FILETIME=[30A2DDC0:01C24FDA] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.222.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Neal Newman (Groucho) wrote: >Hear Ye, Hear Ye , >Hear Ye >let it Be known on this date the >29th of August In the >Year 2002 >That Radio station WTTM On a frequency of 1680 Khz and at the hour of 7 O'Clock PM. During the Show CLUB 1680 has become in all its Glory Full Fidelity AM STEREO...... >This Engineer has a grin from Ear to Ear............... It sounds Awesome..... Neal Newman CONGRATULATIONS Neal!, For a moment, I thought your final quote: > My New motto....." I'll never go back to mono AM again if I can help it" was going to be a take-off of the "(in)famous" quote from "Went With the Wind" (the Carol Burnette spoof of "Gone with Wind": With God as my witness, I'll never eat "Oatmeal Helper" again!" :) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I have tried in vain to receive your station, it's funny I can't even get the 1680 out of Winter Garden(Orlando) on most nights either. I'm that people in Jersey, Pa and New York and beyond in the northeast and Mid-Atlantic states will enjoy the stereo. donn st petersburg _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Aug 29 21:23:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 30 Aug 2002 04:23:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 44433 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2002 04:23:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2002 04:23:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2002 04:23:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.181] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2002 04:23:27 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 04:23:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1690 WPTX Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 942 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.156 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Something is seriously wrong with the signal of 1690 WPTX in Lexington Park, MD tonight -- they are splattering all over the place, and nearly wiping out reception of the new AM STEREO 1680 WTTM! 1690 WPTX is still putting out an AM Stereo pilot tone of their own, but it sounds like they're trying to run 200% modulation or something! Considering that WPTX appears to be simply simulcasting the audio of some TV news channel, and that it is after midnight, there's probably not a soul around at the station to be watching the mod monitor, but wouldn't the transmitter eventually realise it's being over-driven so much and shut down? On the air, it sounds bad enough that I originally thought it was a stray harmonic of some station on 840 or 850 kHz, but then I heard the WPTX ID at the top of the hour. I guess WPTX will learn the hard way that things can still go wrong with today's computerized solid-state equipment.... From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Thu Aug 29 22:16:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 30 Aug 2002 05:16:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 23372 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2002 05:16:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2002 05:16:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2002 05:16:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2002 05:16:54 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 05:16:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 740 WJIB Nautel Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <16f.12e45a5c.2a9edfa6@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3324 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 141.157.201.150 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio . One was non-D daytime (and AM stereo) with directional patterns for CH and night. It hated to load into the phasor (while the older Gates BC5P2 never had a problem... we would often go to it at night). We prayed it would make the pattern changes. And nobody could find fault with the phasors (they were in great shape) and we were told the transmitter was just fine from Nautel (except that it kept blowing modules every day). Electric was clean as well (another engineer informed me that his station had made the mistake on a Nautel as well and he had problems with it when the station went directional at sunup). Also, modulating it was a task too... God forbid you were above +110... belch belch belch. The rig was circa 1987 an Amphet 10. Give me a Harris DX-10 or anything on the BE line anyday. They probably have gotten better (they have to have to be in business still), but they would me my last choice, honestly. --- In amstereoforum@y..., KC4QLP@a... wrote: > In a message dated 8/28/02 10:06:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > evergreenterrace@b... writes: > > << It isn't. Nautel is an inferior product. Just because they > participate doesn't mean we should support their product. We should > tell them how to IMPROVE what they've made (like tuning networks and > transmitters that don't have sh*t fits in directional patterns). > >> > What sort of "FIT" is it having in directional patterns? > > Bob Carter > Operations/Engineering > > WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 > Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio > Network > > Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering > services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. > e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@y... > http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice > Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC > WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC > WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC > > AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- > amstereoradio- subcribe@t... > > amstereo-subcribe@t... > amstereoradio-subscribe@y... > > KC4QLP Amateur Radio > Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va > www.kc4qlp.cjb.net > > voice contact-252-335-0856 > fax 1-209-254-8978 > _______________________________________________________ > > WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter > 5, Subchapter II, > "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a > download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of > these terms." > Your message (if actually mailed) is in violation of the Federal Telephone > Consumer Protection Act of 1991, and Collateral Code of Federal Regulations > (47 CFR 64.1200). The TCPA allows a private right of action against the > sender of unsolicited advertising. The recipient can sue for $500, or > actualdamages (whichever is greater). > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- > > ------------------- From philipr@irac.pe.ca Fri Aug 30 04:20:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 30 Aug 2002 11:20:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 27239 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2002 11:20:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2002 11:20:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2002 11:20:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2002 11:20:32 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:20:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: RE:WTTM 1680 AM STEREO Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D6EBE9B.C532A231@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 887 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Congratulations! I must try to pick up WTTM tonight, as it comes in quite well here in PEI. Phil --- In amstereoforum@y..., Neal Newman wrote: > Hear Ye, Hear Ye , Hear Ye > let it Be known on this date the 29th of August In the Year 2002 > That Radio station WTTM On a frequency of 1680 Khz > and at the hour of 7 O'Clock PM. During the Show CLUB 1680 has become in > all its Glory Full Fidelity AM STEREO...... > This Engineer has a grin from Ear to Ear............... > It sounds Awesome..... > Neal Newman > Chief Engineer and Stereo maker > WTTM 1680 am STEREO!!!!!!!!!!! > America's Largest South Asian Music,News ,Talk Station > > I hope all Of you Enjoy the Full Fidelity Sound Of this station I > already do. > My New motto....." I'll never go back to mono AM again if I can help > it" > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From philipr@irac.pe.ca Fri Aug 30 04:34:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 30 Aug 2002 11:34:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 67866 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2002 11:34:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2002 11:34:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2002 11:34:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2002 11:34:49 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:34:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Nautel transmitters Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1515 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking While I'm sure from time to time there can be problems with any product, I have mostly heard nothing but rave reviews about Nautel transmitters. Virtually every AM station in the Maritimes now uses one, and many FM stations as well. The only negative comment I've heard is that now Chief Engineers have a lot less work to do, which given cost cutting chains, is a concern. However, there are plenty of computers in a modern station, so that should help! Thanks to its Nautel, CHER in Sydney is putting out the best signal they ever had. When lightning strikes its towers, instead of knocking it off the air, it merely powers down for a few seconds, then powers back up to the full 10kw. The days of sweeping glass off the floor and 85% maximum modulation [how do you spell Turkey - RCA mid 60s] ended for CJFX in the early 80s, when they took delivery of Nautel's very first 10kw transmitter. Reportedly, that transmitter is still going strong in North Carolina, replaced by CJFX in 1991 when they increased their power and went AM Stereo with a 25kw Nautel complete with CQUAM exciter. Yes, even the occassional Mercedes Benz may be troublesome, and its always possible that the occassional Nautel is too. Its also possible that there are site problems for which an old tube transmitter might be more forgiving. Not all old tube transmitters are as bad as that 1964 RCA! Some of the 1970s vintage Continentals could really kick out great modulation, and seemed pretty tough. Phil From jwelton@nautel.com Fri Aug 30 05:29:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 30 Aug 2002 12:29:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 3652 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2002 12:29:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2002 12:29:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserver.nautel.com) (24.222.4.134) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2002 12:29:37 -0000 Received: FROM jeff-welton BY mailserver.nautel.com ; Fri Aug 30 09:31:37 2002 -0300 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 09:28:33 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 740 WJIB Nautel Message-ID: <3D6F3ABF.123.52AFA1@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: <16f.12e45a5c.2a9edfa6@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body From: "Jeff Welton" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 I gave myself a day of cool-down time before responding to this. I hate when someone criticizes a product and the mfr comes back on the attack, sounding defensive - I'll try to avoid that. > > << It isn't. Nautel is an inferior product. Just because they > > participate doesn't mean we should support their product. I would have to strongly disagree with the first part of this statement and agree with the second. On a comparison of specifications, nothing made today is any better than our equipment. We have some features that make our boxes better than the competitor products, they have some things I wouldn't mind seeing in ours. This is true all the way back to the origin of our company, when you compare apples to apples, our gear has been as good as or better than anything else of its type being made at that time. The same goes for failure rates. In properly engineered stations the failure rate of our transmitters is extremely low. Estimated maintenance costs are typically less than $500.00/year for parts for the older transmitters, and below $100.00/year for the newer ones. > . One was non-D daytime (and AM stereo) with directional patterns > for CH and night. It hated to load into the phasor (while the older > Gates BC5P2 never had a problem... we would often go to it at > night). Apples and oranges. The BC5P2 had a much higher SWR threshold because the tubes could handle it. It also had tuning and loading controls that allowed it to be adjusted for optimum performance into a non-stable array - which typically indicates a requirement for improvement in the ground plane. The AMPFET10 had a threshold of 1.3:1 at carrier and 1.5:1 at the sidebands, equal to or better than any other solid state transmitter built at the time. There was an upgrade that would give about 1.4:1 at carrier and 2:1 at the sides - and for stereo operation it was a must, especially into a narrowband antenna system. > We prayed it would make the pattern changes. And nobody could find > fault with the phasors (they were in great shape) and we were told > the transmitter was just fine from Nautel (except that it kept > blowing modules every day). At the risk of doing what I said I'd try to avoid in my first sentence, there is not and never has been anybody here who would say the transmitter was fine if it was blowing modules every day (or even once a week). First we'd request information on the site layout, including sketches of grounding and equipment location, then we'd make suggestions for improvement. At a guess, based on the brief description provided, it sounds like a grounding issue resulting in lightning protection problems and shifting of the sideband impedance of the array. If problems continued, we would look for any anomalies in the transmitter and if nothing was resolved by that, we'd offer to go to the site and perform an analysis. There is something missing from the story here - I'd appreciate it if you could provide some more info. > engineer informed me that his station had made the mistake on a Nautel as well and he had problems with it when the station went > directional at sunup). Also, modulating it was a task too... God > forbid you were above +110... belch belch belch. Regarding modulation, this could be an issue with the AMPFET series transmitters. They required a significant amount of DC supply voltage to achieve 125% modulation at 110% power - but I haven't seen one yet that absolutely couldn't do it. If the regulators' outputs were below 72-74V at 10kW, then there could be issues with modulation capability. However, this is a simple setup issue that could easily be solved by a phone call to the factory. I am assuming that this "other engineer's" transmitter was also an AMPFET series, because, as others on this list can verify, the ND series are easily capable of 150% modulation at rated power and the XL series can do in excess of 200% at rated. > The rig was circa 1987 an Amphet 10. Give me a Harris DX-10 or > anything on the BE line anyday. Your choice, although if the transmitter was the 1987 edition (near the end of that production run), none of the issues you mention above should have occurred to the extent you describe. As I have no way of determining which station we are discussing, since you don't give your name or any reference to the station, and since the WGLI portion of your email does not link to an existing radio station, according to searches of http://100kwatts.tmi.net/ and http://www.radio-directory.com/ I would respectfully ask you to contact me off list (or on, your call) so that I can confirm that there are no ongoing issues with the stations you are referencing. > They probably have gotten better (they have to have to be in > business still), but they would me my last choice, honestly. We have definitely made improvements, as have all manufactures. We are still in business because we have continued and built on an established reputation for reliable equipment and top drawer service - not because we have suddenly developed one. Again, your choice is your choice and I respect that. Regards, Best Regards, Jeff Welton Customer Service Dept. Nautel Ltd. Tel.: 1-902-823-3900, ext. 127 Fax: 1-902-823-3183 jwelton@nautel.com From groucho@skyweb.net Fri Aug 30 05:47:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 30 Aug 2002 12:47:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 62493 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2002 12:47:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2002 12:47:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2002 12:47:32 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g7UClEIk058942 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 08:47:14 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3D6F6893.5F94FBD3@skyweb.net> Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 08:44:03 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: RE:WTTM 1680 AM STEREO References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Phil where is PEI? is that Philly? you had sent Me an Email Once with a signal report. I hope to have the certificates finished today.. send me your address so I can send you out a QSL. Neal tubesareking wrote: > Congratulations! > > I must try to pick up WTTM tonight, as it comes in quite well here > in PEI. > > Phil > > --- In amstereoforum@y..., Neal Newman wrote: > > Hear Ye, Hear Ye , Hear Ye > > let it Be known on this date the 29th of August In the Year 2002 > > That Radio station WTTM On a frequency of 1680 Khz > > and at the hour of 7 O'Clock PM. During the Show CLUB 1680 has > become in > > all its Glory Full Fidelity AM STEREO...... > > This Engineer has a grin from Ear to Ear............... > > It sounds Awesome..... > > Neal Newman > > Chief Engineer and Stereo maker > > WTTM 1680 am STEREO!!!!!!!!!!! > > America's Largest South Asian Music,News ,Talk Station > > > > I hope all Of you Enjoy the Full Fidelity Sound Of this station I > > already do. > > My New motto....." I'll never go back to mono AM again if I can > help > > it" > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Aug 30 10:48:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 30 Aug 2002 17:47:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 65312 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2002 17:47:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2002 17:47:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2002 17:47:59 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn22.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.26]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:47:58 -0600 To: Subject: KEVA air checks Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:47:56 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3D6F3ABF.123.52AFA1@localhost> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all For those that are interested...the old AM Stereo FTP site that has hundreds of AM Stereo air checks does indeed still exist. It went away for a bit when the NRCDXAS am stereo list went away. It's now up and running at ftp://amstereo.audio-stream.net . Included there are some recent air checks I uploaded from KEVA here in Wyoming. One aircheck from before the stereo conversion (the kevamono.mp3) and one from after the stereo conversion (kevastereo.mp3). And yes, that's me on the kevastereo.mp3 file. On the site, go to stations/north-america/usa/wyoming and you'll see them there. They're small...kevamono.mp3 is 693kb and kevastereo is 1.12mb MJR n WYO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Fri Aug 30 12:40:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 30 Aug 2002 19:40:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 94190 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2002 19:40:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2002 19:40:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2002 19:40:44 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g7UJeOIk086739 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 15:40:24 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3D6FC967.D25AEC3C@skyweb.net> Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 15:37:11 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} RE:WTTM 1680 AM STEREO References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Don at night all I can hear is WTIR Its always fighting with WJNZ.. I lay in Bed with my panasonic AM stereo walkman. and WTIR sounds like transmitting From My 160meter tower out in the back yard. Donn Tillman wrote: > Neal Newman (Groucho) wrote: > > >Hear Ye, Hear Ye , >Hear Ye > >let it Be known on this date the >29th of August In the >Year 2002 > >That Radio station WTTM On a frequency of 1680 Khz > and at the hour of 7 O'Clock PM. During the Show CLUB 1680 has become in > all its Glory Full Fidelity AM STEREO...... > >This Engineer has a grin from Ear to Ear............... > It sounds Awesome..... > Neal Newman > > CONGRATULATIONS Neal!, > > For a moment, I thought your final quote: > > > My New motto....." I'll never go back to mono AM again if I can help > it" > > was going to be a take-off of the "(in)famous" quote from "Went With the > Wind" (the Carol Burnette spoof of "Gone with Wind": > > With God as my witness, I'll never eat > "Oatmeal Helper" again!" :) > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > I have tried in vain to receive your station, it's funny I can't even get > the 1680 out of Winter Garden(Orlando) on most nights either. > > I'm that people in Jersey, Pa and New York and beyond in the northeast and > Mid-Atlantic states will enjoy the stereo. > > donn > st petersburg > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From groucho@skyweb.net Fri Aug 30 15:00:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 30 Aug 2002 22:00:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 4566 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2002 22:00:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2002 22:00:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2002 22:00:15 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net ([66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g7ULxpIk028168; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 17:59:51 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3D6FE9CA.AB0DC433@skyweb.net> Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 17:55:22 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "ABDX@topica.com" , "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Subject: WTTM FULL AM STEREO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Hi all I have Been sitting in the house all day today walking around wearing My panasonic am Stereo walkman. listening to my station. I had set-up the Studio Console so that the main On-air Mic is in the Center and the 2 guest mic's are in Separate channels the mic opposite the host is in the left channel. The Mic just to the right of the host in the Right channel. It sounds So cool. for a test I had one of the Hosts turn on all 3 mics, and walk around the room.. I was able to tell where they were standing. So if your listening to WTTM you too can tell what mic a person is using TRUE STEREO.... LOL... Neal Newman Chief Engineer and Stereo maker WTTM 1680 am Stereo Princeton,NJ America's Largest South Asian Music,News ,Talk Station From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Aug 30 15:21:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 30 Aug 2002 22:21:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 7998 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2002 22:21:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2002 22:21:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2002 22:21:26 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn34.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.38]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 16:21:25 -0600 To: Subject: favor Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 16:21:21 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3D6FC967.D25AEC3C@skyweb.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi gang I need a favor I set up a "mirror" (and possibly permanent) FTP site for the AM Stereo FTP site on one of my ISP's old servers. At least this one we can make changes to files....directory structure...and do whatever we want. It's on MY server and not someone else's. A while back my ISP assigned a unique IP address to a certain name. I know that I can access this FTP site by name....but that doesn't say a lot since I am on the same domain as the site. Could someone else please try logging in anonymously to ftp://audio.keva1240.com and tell me if you can get in and see anything there? Otherwise I'll need to contact my ISP and get a true name assigned and registered to that IP. Please email back to the list here to let me know if it works. If not, for the time being we can just access it by IP....which would be ftp://209.193.86.116 and that should work just fine. The usual anonymous access should work. Just click on the link in this email. Thanks Michael [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Aug 30 15:52:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 30 Aug 2002 22:52:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 43404 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2002 22:52:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2002 22:52:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.18) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2002 22:52:43 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 15:52:43 -0700 Received: from 209.240.198.61 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 22:52:43 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: RE:WTTM 1680 AM STEREO Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 22:52:43 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Aug 2002 22:52:43.0771 (UTC) FILETIME=[F39454B0:01C25077] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.198.61] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 PEI is Prince Edward Island, a maritime province, if I'm not mistaken. donn in Canada's southern most province :) florida >Phil where is PEI? is that >Philly? you had sent >Me an Email Once with a signal report. I hope to have the certificates finished today.. send me your address so I can send you out a QSL. Neal tubesareking wrote: > Congratulations! > > I must try to pick up WTTM tonight, as it comes in quite well here > in PEI. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Aug 30 18:45:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 31 Aug 2002 01:45:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 62633 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2002 01:45:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2002 01:45:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2002 01:45:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2002 01:45:45 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 01:45:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WTTM FULL AM STEREO Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D6FE9CA.AB0DC433@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1115 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.139 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I heard WTTM today in full Stereo on its 10,000-watt local daytime signal. Excellent sound! That Optimod 9100 really sounds nice -- good modulation, wide Stereo separation, and no noticeable distortion. At least when I was listening, the music seemed to be mostly in mono, but nearly all of the commercials (and WTTM plays a LOT of them!!) are in full Stereo. The "quick-edited" style of the format is interesting -- all of the commercials, IDs, liners, etc. seemed to be edited to remove ALL traces of silence between words, and there are no cross-fades -- audio elements just cut in and out very quickly. Neal, maybe you should tell the crew at EBC to lay off the caffeine when they're working on audio production! :-) Otherwise it sounds great, and it is interesting to have a South Asian format on a big AM Stereo signal like this, instead of some overmodulated 8-watt FM station down in the "college band". (And yes, that is a cheap shot at 89.3 WCNJ-FM!) Next up, Neal, maybe you can sneak about Nassau's back and get 1350 WHWH transmitting in AM Stereo again when they aren't looking! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Aug 30 19:40:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 31 Aug 2002 02:40:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 36975 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2002 02:40:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2002 02:40:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2002 02:40:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2002 02:40:50 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 02:40:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1240 KEVA Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 716 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.87.139 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics The recording of Michael J's 1240 KEVA in AM Stereo is *highly* recommended if you haven't heard it yet! You can download it directly from this link: ftp://209.193.86.116/North-America/USA/Wyoming/kevastereo.mp3 It appears to have been recorded right off the mod monitor at the station, as it has incredibly "clean" audio and appears to be a 100% accurate representation of the kind of audio quality and processing that can come out of a finely tuned AM Stereo station. My only complaint about it is that it isn't long enough! I would love to hear more of KEVA, especially during when the engineer decides to make some "test" broadcasts with the 10 kHz NRSC filtering disabled (hint hint, wink wink)! From groucho@skyweb.net Sat Aug 31 00:50:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 31 Aug 2002 07:50:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 55715 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2002 07:50:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2002 07:50:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2002 07:50:48 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g7V7oTIk027099 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 03:50:30 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3D707486.514C7AE4@skyweb.net> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 03:47:19 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WTTM FULL AM STEREO References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Yeah Kevin that's wishful thinking Even though Multicultural owns WHWH 1350 also and I do have the Motorola exciter and meter for it.. but as long as Nassau is using it Ive been told its their responsibility to maintain. Im still trying to get a List Of what's ours and what's Nassau's Gear..with No help from Nassau at all... That's our P.D. Kulraj Mr Voice of Indian radio... Every time I make a promo.. He Changes it so its His voice. myself and One Other ( the Mystry Man) Neilish Mystry who is the Late Night host. who ends his show around 11pm and Turns On the Automation for Me. we can and Have made great promos ,But we are Not allowed to.. because Its Kulraj's Baby. If You Listen to some of the music with alot of percussion You can actually hear the Drums panning across. most of the Drive time stuff is full stereo separation in its recording Because its modern stuff.. most of the Day they play Old stuff From Old Indian Film tracks.which is Stereophonic But seems mono to me also. I am trying to get Kulraj to become creative now that its full stereo. to place Voices hard Right and Left. If there are guests in the studio You will hear the Host in both channels and the guests in Hard Left or Right.. I'll Bet mostly the Right the way the studio is laid out. BTW I love cheap shots at WCNJ 89.3 Its great... they are still running 133% modulation mono with the Stereo pilot.. Even with all the Violations the Commission granted them an STA for 3 watts at 150 feet.. Funny the Antenna is still at 375 feet. they will never learn... and Running alot more than 3-10 watts... Last what's a cross fade.. I know they always seem to wait for the songs to End Pause Silence then start the next one.. drives me Nuts.. But I keep getting reminded that we are all volunteers... No one gets paid. Not Even Me. at least not from the Indians. and I keep reminding them of that too. LOL. you can believe it.. a Commercial radio station with a 100% volunteer staff.. the only Person making any money there is Me if you call what they are paying me "making money" I call it income. kevtronics wrote: > I heard WTTM today in full Stereo on its 10,000-watt local daytime > signal. Excellent sound! That Optimod 9100 really sounds nice -- > good modulation, wide Stereo separation, and no noticeable > distortion. > > At least when I was listening, the music seemed to be mostly in mono, > but nearly all of the commercials (and WTTM plays a LOT of them!!) > are in full Stereo. The "quick-edited" style of the format is > interesting -- all of the commercials, IDs, liners, etc. seemed to be > edited to remove ALL traces of silence between words, and there are > no cross-fades -- audio elements just cut in and out very quickly. > Neal, maybe you should tell the crew at EBC to lay off the caffeine > when they're working on audio production! :-) > > Otherwise it sounds great, and it is interesting to have a South > Asian format on a big AM Stereo signal like this, instead of some > overmodulated 8-watt FM station down in the "college band". (And > yes, that is a cheap shot at 89.3 WCNJ-FM!) > > Next up, Neal, maybe you can sneak about Nassau's back and get > 1350 WHWH transmitting in AM Stereo again when they aren't looking! > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From groucho@skyweb.net Sat Aug 31 00:53:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 31 Aug 2002 07:53:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 47575 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2002 07:53:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2002 07:53:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2002 07:53:10 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g7V7qqIk027461 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 03:52:52 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3D707515.2EC9D256@skyweb.net> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 03:49:41 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1240 KEVA References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 I have 2 of them filters but they are sitting on the shelf in a box.... Was I supposed to use them for something???? LOL Neal > especially during when the engineer decides to > make some "test" broadcasts with the 10 kHz NRSC filtering disabled > (hint hint, wink wink)! > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From narkspud@hotmail.com Sat Aug 31 06:49:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 31 Aug 2002 13:49:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 22207 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2002 13:49:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2002 13:49:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2002 13:49:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2002 13:49:07 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 13:49:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1240 KEVA Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 81 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 66.159.192.39 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud ftp://209.193.86.116/North-America/USA/Wyoming/kevastereo.m p3 Wow! Fantastic! From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Aug 31 09:09:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 31 Aug 2002 16:09:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 11550 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2002 16:09:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2002 16:09:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14201.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.143) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2002 16:09:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20020831160958.6028.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.190] by web14201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 09:09:58 PDT Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 09:09:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ftp recording of MJR - AMS in Wyoming To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Too Cool for words...The Michael J Show in AM Stereo out in Wyoming - radio sounding like it ought to! Great job MJR, wish we could get more stations to realize how decent the broadcasts can sound. Now if we can just get the Fanfare tuners out to the masses to receive these fine stations broadcasting in Stereo AM! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Aug 31 10:30:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 31 Aug 2002 17:30:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 32400 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2002 17:30:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2002 17:30:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m10.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.165) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2002 17:30:13 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.7e.2cfc5f7e (16781) for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 13:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7e.2cfc5f7e.2aa25720@aol.com> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 13:30:08 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1240 KEVA To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 8/31/02 3:54:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, groucho@skyweb.net writes: << I have 2 of them filters but they are sitting on the shelf in a box.... Was I supposed to use them for something???? LOL Neal > especially during when the engineer decides to > make some "test" broadcasts with the 10 kHz NRSC filtering disabled > (hint hint, wink wink)! > >> WHAT!?!... OMG! NeaL ....still in the box on your shelf? ,somebody must have ordered the wrong pieces of equipment. LOL There is one of those AM killer boxes in the rack at WRCS-AM mono. With the thing inline the station sounds like your listening to music over a telephone ....so the "box" got misplaced...or did lightning hit it? ...I forgot {grin} Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sat Aug 31 11:02:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 31 Aug 2002 18:02:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 27673 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2002 18:02:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2002 18:02:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2002 18:02:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2002 18:02:33 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 18:02:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Nautel transmitters Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1767 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio I'm sure there have to be some good Nautel's out there. You'll never find one in one of my stations. Harris, BE. Fine with me. --- In amstereoforum@y..., "tubesareking" wrote: > While I'm sure from time to time there can be problems with any > product, I have mostly heard nothing but rave reviews about Nautel > transmitters. Virtually every AM station in the Maritimes now uses > one, and many FM stations as well. The only negative comment I've > heard is that now Chief Engineers have a lot less work to do, which > given cost cutting chains, is a concern. However, there are plenty > of computers in a modern station, so that should help! > > Thanks to its Nautel, CHER in Sydney is putting out the best signal > they ever had. When lightning strikes its towers, instead of > knocking it off the air, it merely powers down for a few seconds, > then powers back up to the full 10kw. The days of sweeping glass > off the floor and 85% maximum modulation [how do you spell Turkey - > RCA mid 60s] ended for CJFX in the early 80s, when they took > delivery of Nautel's very first 10kw transmitter. Reportedly, that > transmitter is still going strong in North Carolina, replaced by > CJFX in 1991 when they increased their power and went AM Stereo with > a 25kw Nautel complete with CQUAM exciter. > > Yes, even the occassional Mercedes Benz may be troublesome, and its > always possible that the occassional Nautel is too. Its also > possible that there are site problems for which an old tube > transmitter might be more forgiving. Not all old tube transmitters > are as bad as that 1964 RCA! Some of the 1970s vintage Continentals > could really kick out great modulation, and seemed pretty tough. > > Phil From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sat Aug 31 11:21:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 31 Aug 2002 18:21:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 47479 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2002 18:21:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2002 18:21:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2002 18:21:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2002 18:21:17 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 18:21:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: 740 WJIB Nautel Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D6F3ABF.123.52AFA1@localhost> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4622 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Jeff Welton" wrote: > I gave myself a day of cool-down time before responding to this. I hate when > someone criticizes a product and the mfr comes back on the attack, sounding > defensive - I'll try to avoid that. > > > > << It isn't. Nautel is an inferior product. Just because they > > > participate doesn't mean we should support their product. > > I would have to strongly disagree with the first part of this statement and > agree with the second. On a comparison of specifications, nothing made today > is any better than our equipment. We have some features that make our boxes > better than the competitor products, they have some things I wouldn't mind > seeing in ours. This is true all the way back to the origin of our company, > when you compare apples to apples, our gear has been as good as or better than > anything else of its type being made at that time. The same goes for failure > rates. In properly engineered stations the failure rate of our transmitters is > extremely low. Estimated maintenance costs are typically less than > $500.00/year for parts for the older transmitters, and below $100.00/year for > the newer ones. > > > . One was non-D daytime (and AM stereo) with directional patterns > > for CH and night. It hated to load into the phasor (while the older > > Gates BC5P2 never had a problem... we would often go to it at > > night). > > Apples and oranges. The BC5P2 had a much higher SWR threshold because the > tubes could handle it. True, however, there were no VSWR problems with this system while I was there. This was proven time and time again thru extensive tests on the system, so why did the Nautel hate it? It also had tuning and loading controls that allowed it > to be adjusted for optimum performance into a non-stable array - which > typically indicates a requirement for improvement in the ground plane. But why not give the Nautel rig these options? I can't tell you how many times a Nautel was passed over for a Harris or a BE because it lacked this feature. As a matter of fact, in one instance, an AM I engineered for purchased a BE rig WITHOUT the matching tuning and loading controls, which were an option. ARRGH! > > We prayed it would make the pattern changes. And nobody could find > > fault with the phasors (they were in great shape) and we were told > > the transmitter was just fine from Nautel (except that it kept > > blowing modules every day). > > At the risk of doing what I said I'd try to avoid in my first sentence, there > is not and never has been anybody here who would say the transmitter was fine > if it was blowing modules every day (or even once a week). Everyday was a stretch, but it would every few weeks or so. First we'd request > information on the site layout, including sketches of grounding and equipment > location, then we'd make suggestions for improvement. At a guess, based on the > brief description provided, it sounds like a grounding issue resulting in > lightning protection problems and shifting of the sideband impedance of the > array. If problems continued, we would look for any anomalies in the > transmitter and if nothing was resolved by that, we'd offer to go to the site > and perform an analysis. I believe you were there a few years after I had left. I remember hearing about it somewhere from someone. There is something missing from the story here - I'd > appreciate it if you could provide some more info. The station is WLIM Patchogue. All I can say is that when I left in 1996, the station was in good shape. Since then, it has been sold and there were problems with lightning and the Nautel (I think even the Gates has failed since then). They are on the air and the signal is much louder than before. I know they have a consultant engineer who may have replaced, repaired, whatever to the Nautel. It has been a long time and one of two owners later. WGLI was an AM that went dark in 1989. They had a CCA rig and it's own set of problems. To be fair, I know people who had the MW experience with Harris and never went back. If recommending an AM transmitter, unless I encounter one and it changes my mind, I still would have reservations on Nautel. I also have reservations on Optimod audio processors (must every AM sound flat and lifeless), anything made by Arrakis systems (how many IC's can I fry today) or Gentner phone hybrids (will it fall apart in its first year in service). Change my mind. =Mike Erickson= From di316@freenet.carleton.ca Sat Aug 31 20:33:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: di316@ncf.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 1 Sep 2002 03:33:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 47873 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2002 03:33:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2002 03:33:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.53) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2002 03:33:02 -0000 Received: from ncf.ca ([64.230.18.214]) by tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020901033320.SFYX14397.tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net@ncf.ca> for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 23:33:20 -0400 Message-ID: <3D718A7E.17B81E8D@ncf.ca> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 23:33:18 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1050 CHUM Not Stereo...? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: Paul Cumming From: Paul Cumming X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=43835445 X-Yahoo-Profile: rahoule104 Hello, folks. I've been DXing 1050 CHUM periodically here from Ottawa since they returned to oldies, and I'm not sure about them being AM stereo. The night after I heard they had switched back from their "The Team" format to oldies, I was able to get a stereo pilot, but no separation. Every night after that, they were plain mono -- no pilot, no separation. I'm listening on a TM-152, and at when the signal is at its strongest, I get two bars lit up on the "signal" meter, but the "stereo" light never comes on, even when I try to force it by lightly pushing and releasing the radio's "mono" button. When listening on an SRF-42, which decodes AM stereo regardless of whether or not there is a pilot tone, I can't hear any separation. Some people on this list have mentioned hearing them in stereo. I must note that I'm only listening at night, as that's the only time I can receive 1050 CHUM. Perhaps they have two transmitters -- one for a day pattern and one for night, and the night one isn't stereo...? Also, I've also noticed that since 1050 WEVD was turned into an "ESPN Radio" affiliate, its signal seems a lot stronger and makes receiving 1050 CHUM a lot harder. I wonder if 1050 ESPN Radio is running at a higher power than they're allowed? Or perhaps they've changed their nighttime pattern a bit? Just a thought. It should be noted that the pilot tone from 1050 CHUM could come thru easily, even with the apparently louder 1050 ESPN Radio signal. And finally, I'd hate to be the bearer of more bad news, but it appears 580 CFRA here in Ottawa is now mono with a pilot tone. In July and most of August, their channel separation was even weaker than normal, and now it appears to be gone completely. I'll keep monitoring them periodically. Hopefully this is only temporary. -- Paul ---------------------- Paul Cumming di316@ncf.ca From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Aug 31 20:53:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 1 Sep 2002 03:53:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 46174 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2002 03:53:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2002 03:53:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14201.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.143) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2002 03:53:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20020901035321.85769.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.190] by web14201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 20:53:21 PDT Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 20:53:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Chrysler Schematic / Service Manual? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Can anybody help with this one? Looking for Chrysler Schematic/Service Manual for the Chrysler 5 level EQ AMS/FMS/Cassette deck. The unit is physically destroyed, but one circuit board is intact, and is labelled 4517003-1 and also labelled 4517002-1 PRM 451002-2 INF. I would like to see if I can salvage the superb AMS section, if it's not already blown-up. Thanks! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From groucho@skyweb.net Sat Aug 31 21:52:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 1 Sep 2002 04:52:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 54759 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2002 04:52:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2002 04:52:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2002 04:52:03 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g814pkIk015874 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 00:51:46 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3D719C21.7F95CFE5@skyweb.net> Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 00:48:33 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 740 WJIB Nautel References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 wgliradio wrote: The station is WLIM Patchogue. All I can say is that when I left in > 1996, the station was in good shape. Since then, it has been sold > and there were problems with lightning and the Nautel (I think even > the Gates has failed since then). They are on the air and the signal > is much louder than before. I know they have a consultant engineer > who may have replaced, repaired, whatever to the Nautel. It has been > a long time and one of two owners later. > > WGLI was an AM that went dark in 1989. They had a CCA rig and it's > own set of problems. > > To be fair, I know people who had the MW experience with Harris and > never went back. If recommending an AM transmitter, unless I > encounter one and it changes my mind, I still would have reservations > on Nautel. I also have reservations on Optimod audio processors > (must every AM sound flat and lifeless), anything made by Arrakis > systems (how many IC's can I fry today) or Gentner phone hybrids > (will it fall apart in its first year in service). > > Change my mind. > > =Mike Erickson= Hey Mike when are we going to get together??? I chat with Juan on Messenger. Personally I like My Harris transmitters. Nautels are ok. I used to Love Wilkensons don't see many of them these days. The Only thing I see wrong with an OPTIMOD Processor is the Guy that Sets it up... I happen to think My station sounds pretty good with it. Glad I convinced Harold to let me keep the 9100b instead of That New 9200 digital POS... WTTM 's Audio is Much louder with the 9100B than WHWH running the 9200.. and according to the modulation meters In the rack they are both putting out the same % of Modulation... Go figure.. Neal From groucho@skyweb.net Sat Aug 31 21:54:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 1 Sep 2002 04:54:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 18727 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2002 04:54:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2002 04:54:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2002 04:54:11 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g814rsIk016120 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 00:53:54 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3D719CA1.C0727542@skyweb.net> Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 00:50:41 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 740 WJIB Nautel References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Forgot to ask.. No relationship to Chris or Jerrad Erickson from the Massapequa area???? > > > =Mike Erickson= > From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sat Aug 31 22:58:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 1 Sep 2002 05:58:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 54905 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2002 05:58:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2002 05:58:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11708.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2002 05:58:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20020901055815.49155.qmail@web11708.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.32.112] by web11708.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 22:58:15 PDT Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 22:58:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WALE/990-I can finally spill the beans BIG TIME! To: ABDX , AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio On Friday I was let go from P.O.S. brokered-time WALE/990-Greenville/Providence, R.I.. The reason cited was that a client (who buys an hour a week) or clients complained about me. Fact1: I only work Wednesday night 6-Mid. when two shows are on (rest of the time includes one simulcast and three reruns) and Sundays 2P-Mid. (when there are two ethnic shows on 2-5:30 and 6-9). All of these people like me, so I don't know where that came from. That being said: if you want to stick it to a morally and financially bankrupt company that doesn't believe in following F.C.C. rules, these two are the ones to do it to. If you do complain to the F.C.C., please do so after Friday, September 6, 2002. KFNX/1100 violations: Running day power (50kW) at night (1kW). A board-op admitted they do this every Saturday morning around 4:00 M.S.T. just for the hell of it. WALE/990 ciolations: Running day power (50kW) at night (5kW) specifically from 7-9 P.M. Friday because the sales manager does a punk rock show called "Fuzzbox" and he told me my 1st week there that "I've been fined so many times it doesn't matter." Second instance: when the company didn't pay for the XMTR. (transmitter) phone link, Verizon shut it off and we had NO control over the transmitter until earlier this week. If you've heard about WPMZ's transmitter being on all night, check out 990! They purposely leave the XMTR. on all night even though the station supposedly signs off at midnight. No ID heard from Mid.-6A.M.. I'm sure stereo WLGZ/990 in Rochester, N.Y. loves getting interfered with. Back to Fuzzbox: you know "community standards?" This show doesn't follow them! Swearing, etc.. Apparently there are even more violations I don't even know about. One station manager (the station is on its 3rd since I've been there) told me that if the F.C.C. ever comes, to tell them to hold on while I get the station manager, and just walk out. Once again, please keep mum until after September 6, unless you plan on catching the Phoenix station (this used to be stereo KCCF/1100). I've kept quiet about this long enough (5 months) and it feels good to get it off my chest. Now, to all of the responsible broadcasters: I am a hard-working radio geek with 6 years of radio experience (as an announcer, station ID voice and production guru) and nearly 11 years of television experience (camera work, teleprompter, ). I am currently looking for work. You can e-mail me at: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com. I look forward to your response. Had to give myself a cheap plug! 73 and thank you in advance, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Sun Sep 01 01:12:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 1 Sep 2002 08:12:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 88921 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2002 08:12:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2002 08:12:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.165.145) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2002 08:12:05 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 01:12:05 -0700 Received: from 208.20.8.28 by sea2fd.sea2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 01 Sep 2002 08:12:05 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1050 CHUM Not Stereo...? Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 04:12:05 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Sep 2002 08:12:05.0304 (UTC) FILETIME=[42399B80:01C2518F] From: "Chris Cuff" X-Originating-IP: [208.20.8.28] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059 Just got back from the Antique radio meet at RIT in Rochester, and 1050 is not in stereo. I was able to get CFCO fine, as well as 990, but interference from WALE made it sound bad. CC >From: Paul Cumming > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From fanfare@globility.com Sun Sep 01 06:55:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 1 Sep 2002 13:55:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 65889 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2002 13:55:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2002 13:55:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2002 13:55:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2002 13:55:16 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 13:55:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1050 CHUM Not Stereo...? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 709 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amfmguy" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.233.112 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy It's true, CHUM is just another AM now. In comparison with its mono Golden Oldies competition AM740, an inferior sounding one to boot. Guess we need to come up with something to re-kindle their pilot light. So much for a current AMS source in T.O. M. --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Chris Cuff" wrote: > Just got back from the Antique radio meet at RIT in Rochester, and 1050 is > not in stereo. I was able to get CFCO fine, as well as 990, but interference > from WALE made it sound bad. > CC > > > >From: Paul Cumming > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Sep 01 08:05:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 1 Sep 2002 15:05:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 78476 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2002 15:05:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2002 15:05:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.157) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2002 15:05:55 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 08:05:55 -0700 Received: from 209.240.198.61 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 01 Sep 2002 15:05:54 GMT To: amstereo@bellsouth.net, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: A.M. Stereo is a Labor of Love Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 15:05:54 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Sep 2002 15:05:55.0142 (UTC) FILETIME=[11F63660:01C251C9] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.198.61] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Good Labour/Labor Day to everyone in North America on both lists. Am-Stereo is a labor of love. Thanks to those, who put the components together and modify our radios, thanks to those who engineer and manage am-stereo stations thanks to the people on and off our lists that made their opinions know about IBOC to the U.S. F.C.C. and thanks to those who email and write letters of support.(which reminds me, I have to crank out a letter I promised to write earlier this week, haven't forgotten you, Juan!). A special thanks to those that stream(Dave Mitchell) am-stereo and to those who provide the clips of am-stereo is also in order.(Jeff Deck, Michael and others) Thanks to those on the list, who manufacture the am-stereo transmitter (Nautel) and for those who help manufacture new am-stereo tuners/receivers. (Fanfare) I hope I haven't forgotten anyone. Oh and thanks to Dennis and Kevin T for providing us with the am-stereo lists. It's been a rough year since the 11th of September, but some nice gains have been made, WTTM, am-stereo 1660(New Jersey); WTTB, am-stereo 1490, Vero Beach(Florida), and Michael's KEVA, am-stereo 1240(Wyoming) and now even CHUM, 1050 Toronto has returned to music and hopefully stereo again soon. donn st petersburg, fl _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From groucho@skyweb.net Sun Sep 01 08:47:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 1 Sep 2002 15:47:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 55447 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2002 15:47:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2002 15:47:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2002 15:47:34 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g81FlGIk099065 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 11:47:17 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3D7235C6.F625171C@skyweb.net> Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 11:44:06 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A.M. Stereo is a Labor of Love References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Correction Donn WTTM is on 1680 not 1660 Donn Tillman wrote: > Good Labour/Labor Day to everyone in North America on both lists. > > Am-Stereo is a labor of love. > > Thanks to those, who put the components together and modify our radios, > thanks to those who engineer and manage am-stereo stations thanks to the > people on and off our lists that made their opinions know about IBOC to the > U.S. F.C.C. and thanks to those who email and write letters of > support.(which reminds me, I have to crank out a letter I promised to write > earlier this week, haven't forgotten you, Juan!). > > A special thanks to those that stream(Dave Mitchell) am-stereo and to those > who provide the clips of am-stereo is also in order.(Jeff Deck, Michael and > others) > > Thanks to those on the list, who manufacture the am-stereo transmitter > (Nautel) and for those who help manufacture new am-stereo tuners/receivers. > (Fanfare) > > I hope I haven't forgotten anyone. > > Oh and thanks to Dennis and Kevin T for providing us with the am-stereo > lists. > > It's been a rough year since the 11th of September, but some nice gains have > been made, WTTM, am-stereo 1660(New Jersey); WTTB, am-stereo 1490, Vero > Beach(Florida), and Michael's KEVA, am-stereo 1240(Wyoming) and now even > CHUM, 1050 Toronto has returned to music and hopefully stereo again soon. > > donn > st petersburg, fl > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Sep 01 09:33:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 1 Sep 2002 16:33:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 64964 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2002 16:33:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2002 16:33:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.196) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2002 16:33:45 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 09:33:45 -0700 Received: from 209.240.198.61 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 01 Sep 2002 16:33:44 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@bellsouth.net Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} A.M. Stereo is a Labor of Love Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 16:33:44 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Sep 2002 16:33:45.0288 (UTC) FILETIME=[5736AC80:01C251D5] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.198.61] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 A.M. stereo hero Neal wrote: >Coreection Donn WTTM is on 1860 not 1660 Sorry about that Neal, With the interference from WTIR (Winter Park/Orlando) maybe you should be on 1660 instead of 1680! Glad to see you're awake and paying attention! :) Correction Donn WTTM is on 1680 not 1660 ~~corrected quote follows~~~~~~ but some nice gains have > been made, WTTM, am-stereo 1680(New Jersey); WTTB, am-stereo 1490, Vero > Beach(Florida), and Michael's KEVA, am-stereo 1240(Wyoming) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Sep 01 10:32:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 1 Sep 2002 17:32:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 20668 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2002 17:32:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2002 17:32:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2002 17:32:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2002 17:32:16 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 17:32:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A.M. Stereo is a Labor of Love Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D7235C6.F625171C@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 546 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.83.12 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Correction Donn WTTM is on 1680 not 1660 Although, 1660 WWRU in NJ has also returned to AM Stereo, however their "Radio Unica" talk format is produced only in mono. Yet another New Jersey station that has returned to AM Stereo broadcasting in the past few months is 1430 WNSW. However, for the past week or two they have been running audio only in the right channel. Hopefully Multicultural Broadcasting will get that fixed soon! And let's not forget to thank 1210 WPHT for switching the Stereo back on after a few weeks of mono. From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sun Sep 01 11:07:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 1 Sep 2002 18:07:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 29814 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2002 18:07:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2002 18:07:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2002 18:07:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2002 18:07:47 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 18:07:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 740 WJIB Nautel Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D719C21.7F95CFE5@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2039 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio Neal, You name it, we'll get together! Optimod is OK. If I had $$$ to blow on an AM processor, I would go with the Omnia AM-3. I love it (and it can do stereo). =Mike= --- In amstereoforum@y..., Neal Newman wrote: > > > wgliradio wrote: > The station is WLIM Patchogue. All I can say is that when I left in > > > 1996, the station was in good shape. Since then, it has been sold > > and there were problems with lightning and the Nautel (I think even > > the Gates has failed since then). They are on the air and the signal > > is much louder than before. I know they have a consultant engineer > > who may have replaced, repaired, whatever to the Nautel. It has been > > a long time and one of two owners later. > > > > WGLI was an AM that went dark in 1989. They had a CCA rig and it's > > own set of problems. > > > > To be fair, I know people who had the MW experience with Harris and > > never went back. If recommending an AM transmitter, unless I > > encounter one and it changes my mind, I still would have reservations > > on Nautel. I also have reservations on Optimod audio processors > > (must every AM sound flat and lifeless), anything made by Arrakis > > systems (how many IC's can I fry today) or Gentner phone hybrids > > (will it fall apart in its first year in service). > > > > Change my mind. > > > > =Mike Erickson= > > Hey Mike when are we going to get together??? > I chat with Juan on Messenger. > Personally I like My Harris transmitters. Nautels are ok. I used to Love > Wilkensons don't see many of them these days. > The Only thing I see wrong with an OPTIMOD Processor is the Guy that Sets it > up... I happen to think My station sounds pretty good with it. Glad I > convinced Harold to let me keep the 9100b instead of That New 9200 digital > POS... > WTTM 's Audio is Much louder with the 9100B than WHWH running the 9200.. and > according to the modulation meters In the rack they are both putting out the > same % of Modulation... Go figure.. > Neal From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sun Sep 01 11:11:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 1 Sep 2002 18:11:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 82269 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2002 18:11:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2002 18:11:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2002 18:11:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2002 18:11:16 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 18:11:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WALE/990-I can finally spill the beans BIG TIME! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020901055815.49155.qmail@web11708.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3178 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio Not exactly the best way of getting a job. If I hired you and then had to terminate you, how do I know you don't go telling about the skeletons in my closet? Word of advice. Don't look like a crybaby and ask for a job in the same breath. --- In amstereoforum@y..., JNR wrote: > On Friday I was let go from P.O.S. brokered-time > WALE/990-Greenville/Providence, R.I.. The reason > cited was that a client (who buys an hour a week) > or clients complained about me. > > Fact1: I only work Wednesday night 6-Mid. when > two shows are on (rest of the time includes one > simulcast and three reruns) and Sundays 2P-Mid. > (when there are two ethnic shows on 2-5:30 and > 6-9). All of these people like me, so I don't > know where that came from. > > That being said: if you want to stick it to a > morally and financially bankrupt company that > doesn't believe in following F.C.C. rules, these > two are the ones to do it to. If you do complain > to the F.C.C., please do so after Friday, > September 6, 2002. > > KFNX/1100 violations: > Running day power (50kW) at night (1kW). A > board-op admitted they do this every Saturday > morning around 4:00 M.S.T. just for the hell of > it. > > WALE/990 ciolations: > Running day power (50kW) at night (5kW) > specifically from 7-9 P.M. Friday because the > sales manager does a punk rock show called > "Fuzzbox" and he told me my 1st week there that > "I've been fined so many times it doesn't > matter." Second instance: when the company > didn't pay for the XMTR. (transmitter) phone > link, Verizon shut it off and we had NO control > over the transmitter until earlier this week. If > you've heard about WPMZ's transmitter being on > all night, check out 990! > > They purposely leave the XMTR. on all night even > though the station supposedly signs off at > midnight. No ID heard from Mid.-6A.M.. I'm sure > stereo WLGZ/990 in Rochester, N.Y. loves getting > interfered with. > > Back to Fuzzbox: you know "community standards?" > This show doesn't follow them! Swearing, etc.. > > Apparently there are even more violations I don't > even know about. One station manager (the > station is on its 3rd since I've been there) told > me that if the F.C.C. ever comes, to tell them to > hold on while I get the station manager, and just > walk out. > > Once again, please keep mum until after September > 6, unless you plan on catching the Phoenix > station (this used to be stereo KCCF/1100). I've > kept quiet about this long enough (5 months) and > it feels good to get it off my chest. > > Now, to all of the responsible broadcasters: I am > a hard-working radio geek with 6 years of radio > experience (as an announcer, station ID voice and > production guru) and nearly 11 years of > television experience (camera work, teleprompter, > ). I am currently looking for work. You can > e-mail me at: a1asurfradio@y... I look > forward to your response. > > Had to give myself a cheap plug! > > 73 and thank you in advance, > Jay,N1WVQ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com From groucho@skyweb.net Sun Sep 01 11:16:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 1 Sep 2002 18:16:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 78879 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2002 18:16:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2002 18:16:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2002 18:16:00 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g81IFgIk023480 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 14:15:43 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3D725890.BFE8F3D0@skyweb.net> Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 14:12:32 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A.M. Stereo is a Labor of Love References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Yeah Right WWRU is On 1660 located a few miles north of us In Jersey City...1610 or 1620 would have been nice. Reason.. Older radios went to 1610 and 1620.. we lost allot of old listeners because their radios didn't got to 1680. Donn Tillman wrote: > A.M. stereo hero Neal wrote: > > >Coreection Donn WTTM is on 1860 not 1660 > > Sorry about that Neal, > > With the interference from WTIR (Winter Park/Orlando) maybe you should be on > 1660 instead of 1680! > > Glad to see you're awake and paying attention! :) > > Correction Donn WTTM is on 1680 not 1660 > > ~~corrected quote follows~~~~~~ > > but some nice gains have > > been made, WTTM, am-stereo 1680(New Jersey); WTTB, am-stereo 1490, Vero > > Beach(Florida), and Michael's KEVA, am-stereo 1240(Wyoming) > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From groucho@skyweb.net Sun Sep 01 11:22:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 1 Sep 2002 18:22:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 19790 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2002 18:21:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2002 18:21:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2002 18:21:59 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g81ILgIk024580 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 14:21:42 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3D7259F8.7AE99C82@skyweb.net> Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 14:18:32 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A.M. Stereo is a Labor of Love References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Just for the record. WPHT Turned off the Stereo while its engineer was on vacation. he did this to see if the signal would be different at his vacation home. Upon returning from his vacation He Turned it back on.. this was Not a management decision. he was just running a test. He was originally Going to take just 1 week ended up taking 2 weeks. Good for him..... As for WNSW Running in Right Channel Only I will look into it.. Neal kevtronics wrote: > > Correction Donn WTTM is on 1680 not 1660 > > Although, 1660 WWRU in NJ has also returned to AM Stereo, however > their "Radio Unica" talk format is produced only in mono. > > Yet another New Jersey station that has returned to AM Stereo > broadcasting in the past few months is 1430 WNSW. However, for the > past week or two they have been running audio only in the right > channel. Hopefully Multicultural Broadcasting will get that fixed > soon! > > And let's not forget to thank 1210 WPHT for switching the Stereo back > on after a few weeks of mono. > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From KC4QLP@aol.com Sun Sep 01 11:24:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 1 Sep 2002 18:24:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 86567 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2002 18:24:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2002 18:24:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d07.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2002 18:24:19 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.4b.2290a8fe (4238) for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 14:24:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4b.2290a8fe.2aa3b546@aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 14:24:06 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} WALE/990-I can finally spill the beans BIG TIME! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 9/1/02 1:58:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, a1asurfradio@yahoo.com writes: << Had to give myself a cheap plug! 73 and thank you in advance, Jay,N1WVQ >> Hey Jay .. Sorry to hear of your troubles....something better will come along I'm sure. About those violations...what order are the EAS and public files in?...Towers registered? ..if none of the above is in order...someone is gonna get busted. All you have to do is put a bug in someones ears. Getting the FCC attention about those three things will certainly get the attention of the other violations. Seems anymore the FCC doesnt care to much about stations on day power at night unless a bunch of people complain or interfered with stations make some noise. No remote control of the station will certainly raise an eyebrow or two. Also..you can go a step further...if you know anything about how the finances are handled...and income is not being claimed/no taxes paid...call your friendly IRS. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From KC4QLP@aol.com Sun Sep 01 11:32:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 1 Sep 2002 18:32:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 88153 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2002 18:32:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2002 18:32:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2002 18:32:47 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.ff.1d26c957 (4238) for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 14:32:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 14:32:42 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WALE/990-I can finally spill the beans BIG TIME! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp << Not exactly the best way of getting a job.>> True..I would have to agree with that statement ...however......................... <> Keep the skeletons out of the closet...no one has anything to worry about.. Play by the rules and no one gets "hurt". From groucho@skyweb.net Sun Sep 01 11:58:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 1 Sep 2002 18:58:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 71160 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2002 18:58:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2002 18:58:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2002 18:58:40 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g81IwMIk030531; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 14:58:23 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3D726290.1192E78F@skyweb.net> Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 14:55:13 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "ABDX@topica.com" , "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Subject: WTTM QSL's Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Just thought I would Let all those that have sent in signal reports. I will be going to Pick-up the Certificates on Tuesday. So have your 8x10 picture Frames ready. Neal From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Sep 01 12:26:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 1 Sep 2002 19:26:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 50629 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2002 19:26:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2002 19:26:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2002 19:26:52 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.131]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 15:24:37 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01c251ed$77373140$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <3D726290.1192E78F@skyweb.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTM QSL's Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 15:26:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I forgot to add that WTTM was coming in fine in the RIT conference center in Rochester, NY- No interference, either. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Neal Newman From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Sep 01 12:40:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 1 Sep 2002 19:40:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 43154 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2002 19:40:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2002 19:40:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11701.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2002 19:40:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20020901194054.74321.qmail@web11701.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.36.237] by web11701.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 01 Sep 2002 12:40:54 PDT Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 12:40:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WALE/990-I can finally spill the beans BIG TIME! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I don't THINK I'm being a crybaby. I've been holding back on this for 5 months. I would've said things sooner and the people on this list are of a MUCH higher caliber than the ones I just worked for. I know it all sounds one-sided, but if you've ever worked at a job where nobody really cares what they're doing and don't care about the rules they're supposed to follow, you have a good idea of WALE. Everything Kevin said about them is true. They DO put Clear Channel to shame. I was told not to tell the clients about our transmitter difficulties last week. I didn't. One of their friends said they couldn't pick up the station. The client PAID for that time to be on the air and I'm supposed to be an accomplice to fraud? I don't think so! I asked for a job here half-jokingly but I also know the people here CARE about radio, not like WALE. It was a SAD place to work. Zombies everywhere. OK, I'm done. It looks like I already have a new job at another station, so I'm happy about that. These people seem good. It's another mono A.M., but hey. It's work and it could lead to much bigger things! Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From fanfare@globility.com Sun Sep 01 13:08:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 1 Sep 2002 20:08:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 81211 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2002 20:08:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2002 20:08:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO columbus.globility.com) (205.189.152.11) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2002 20:08:40 -0000 Received: from FAN-2-PJS (dynamic-b1-253.highspeed.eol.ca [64.56.233.253]) by columbus.globility.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g81K8dP17093 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 16:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200209011608390343.008FC0B8@mail.globility.com> In-Reply-To: <000e01c251ed$77373140$0101a8c0@pavilion> References: <3D726290.1192E78F@skyweb.net> <000e01c251ed$77373140$0101a8c0@pavilion> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 16:08:39 -0400 To: "Kevin Tekel" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTM QSL's Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Marv Southcott" Reply-To: fanfare@globility.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy HI Chris; A couple of days ago I got a call from Ron Erikson. He wanted my advice on = quoting a company in India on our product.=20 I hadn't heard from Ron for a while so I really didin't think he was that i= nterested in promoting our product. I told him we were quoting on the Indi= an requirement as well. That didn't sit too well with him and I can underst= and why. But that's how life can be when you don't work on declaring your = interests and supporting those that step forward to support you. I take it then you haven't received the CD I sent to you? Cheers, Marv From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Sep 01 16:43:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 1 Sep 2002 23:43:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 27165 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2002 23:43:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2002 23:43:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11705.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2002 23:43:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20020901234329.66122.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.36.237] by web11705.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 01 Sep 2002 16:43:29 PDT Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 16:43:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTM QSL's To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3D726290.1192E78F@skyweb.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Did you get mine from a couple of months ago? Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From fanfare@globility.com Sun Sep 01 16:55:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 1 Sep 2002 23:55:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 48847 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2002 23:55:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2002 23:55:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2002 23:55:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2002 23:54:44 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 23:54:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTM QSL's Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200209011608390343.008FC0B8@mail.globility.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 374 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amfmguy" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.233.253 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Marv Southcott" wrote: > HI Chris; > > A couple of days ago I got a call from Ron Erikson. He wanted my advice on quoting a company in India on our product. > I don't quite know how this got sent to the forum. It as a personal communication and meant nothing to the forum or its context. I apologize for the intrusion. M. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Sep 01 18:23:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 2 Sep 2002 01:23:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 43347 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 01:23:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2002 01:23:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 01:23:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2002 01:23:09 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 01:23:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Optimod 9200 ok for AMS? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 433 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "toledohamradio" X-Originating-IP: 63.166.39.190 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I've read that the Optimod 9100 has an AM Stereo card, but can the Optimod 9200 have an AM stereo option as well? I'm trying to get enough data for CHWO AM 740 Toronto to convince them to go AMS, and they just bought an Optimod 9200 when they went on the air with their music format. I get a sinking feeling that their 9200 isn't stereo capable, which is too bad, as their 50KW blowtorch has an eccletic selection of music. From bryancain57@yahoo.com Sun Sep 01 18:32:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: bryancain57@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 2 Sep 2002 01:32:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 54034 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 01:32:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2002 01:32:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 01:32:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2002 01:32:25 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 01:32:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WTTM Reception Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 121 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bryancain57" X-Originating-IP: 63.188.64.17 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=111365738 X-Yahoo-Profile: bryancain57 Coming in fairly well evenings here in Cleveland. Seems to be drowning out that MI rap station better than it used to. From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Sep 01 18:54:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 2 Sep 2002 01:54:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 16836 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 01:54:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2002 01:54:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 01:54:20 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 18:54:20 -0700 Received: from 209.240.198.61 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 02 Sep 2002 01:54:20 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: attn Juan G Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 01:54:20 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Sep 2002 01:54:20.0881 (UTC) FILETIME=[A796DC10:01C25223] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.198.61] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Juan, I have sent an email, regarding a letter to WTTB, just thought I would let you know, just in case you didn't check your BellSouth email address. donn st petersburg _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sun Sep 01 21:01:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 2 Sep 2002 04:01:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 93471 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 04:01:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2002 04:01:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 04:01:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2002 04:01:23 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 04:01:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WALE/990-I can finally spill the beans BIG TIME! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 724 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 141.157.201.113 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio I do play by the rules. None of the facilities I maintain can be found in violation. My statement was generalized. It wasn't a positive foot to step off on when seeking work to be bashing your former employer (be his comments true... which they probably are... or false). --- In amstereoforum@y..., KC4QLP@a... wrote: > << Not exactly the best way of getting a job.>> > > True..I would have to agree with that statement > ...however......................... > > < go telling about the skeletons in my closet? >> > Keep the skeletons out of the closet...no one has anything to worry about.. > Play by the rules and no one gets "hurt". From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sun Sep 01 21:04:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 2 Sep 2002 04:04:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 49703 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 04:04:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2002 04:04:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 04:04:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2002 04:04:37 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 04:04:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Optimod 9200 ok for AMS? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 951 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 141.157.201.113 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio The Optimod 9200 is not ready for stereo prime time. It is a mono only device. Orban has said that there wasn't enough interest in stereo to justify it. Fine with me, the box sounds clippy anyway. If you're looking for a good stereo processor, try the Omnia AM-3 (not the AM 4.5, which I am told is mono like the 9200). I would love to see CHWO in stereo! I can hear the jingle now... CH Double-U Oh, now in stereo! --- In amstereoforum@y..., "toledohamradio" wrote: > I've read that the Optimod 9100 has an AM Stereo card, but can the > Optimod 9200 have an AM stereo option as well? I'm trying to get > enough data for CHWO AM 740 Toronto to convince them to go AMS, and > they just bought an Optimod 9200 when they went on the air with their > music format. I get a sinking feeling that their 9200 isn't stereo > capable, which is too bad, as their 50KW blowtorch has an eccletic > selection of music. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Sep 01 22:18:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 2 Sep 2002 05:18:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 38651 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 05:18:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2002 05:18:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 05:18:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2002 05:18:09 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 05:18:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Optimod 9200 ok for AMS? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 608 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.86.25 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I would love to see CHWO in stereo! > I can hear the jingle now... CH Double-U Oh, now in stereo! 740 CHWO is a fantastic station. Even though their format is simply an automated "jukebox" at night, their music variety would put just about any Nostalgia or Oldies station to shame. And their blockbuster signal booms into the Northeastern USA at night; it is one of the few true clear channels left. The only intrerruption that I know of is 740 WJIB's 5-watt nighttime signal in Boston. Here in NJ, I can usually pick it up on an average clock radio or boom-box as if it were a local signal. From fanfare@globility.com Sun Sep 01 22:52:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 2 Sep 2002 05:51:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 48888 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 05:51:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2002 05:51:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 05:51:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2002 05:51:59 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 05:51:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Optimod 9200 ok for AMS? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1638 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amfmguy" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.235.68 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy For years, CHWO was broadcasting the same format on 1250 in Oakville ON. It's oldies format was all the rage with the geriatric set. At that time they also included a lot of low budget, "over home" type ptogramming on weekends, and at night. Then they moved to 740 which the CBC vacated when it transitioned it "CBC-1" to the plum 99.1 FM frequency that had been vacant for about 10 years. When the CBC had 740 (been in existence for at least 50 years), the AM signal was as close to FM clarity as you could get. "AM740" also leases the former CBC site in Hornby ON, west of Toronto. The CHWO format is a whole lot more listenable now and, for many of Toronto's senior set, a step ahead of CHUM. However, CBC has never even thought AMS, let alone installed it. They had the same attitude about TV. Therefore, the installation of AMS would be, perhaps, a little more extensive than just installing an Optimod. M. M> --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > > I would love to see CHWO in stereo! > > I can hear the jingle now... CH Double-U Oh, now in stereo! > > 740 CHWO is a fantastic station. Even though their format is simply > an automated "jukebox" at night, their music variety would put just > about any Nostalgia or Oldies station to shame. And their > blockbuster signal booms into the Northeastern USA at night; it is > one of the few true clear channels left. The only intrerruption that > I know of is 740 WJIB's 5-watt nighttime signal in Boston. Here in > NJ, I can usually pick it up on an average clock radio or boom-box as > if it were a local signal. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Sep 01 23:37:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 2 Sep 2002 06:37:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 32451 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 06:37:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2002 06:37:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11704.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 06:37:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20020902063754.78765.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.36.237] by web11704.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 01 Sep 2002 23:37:54 PDT Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 23:37:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Ham roundtable To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio What days/nights are hams available? Please give me some skeds.. 73 de Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From groucho@skyweb.net Sun Sep 01 23:43:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 2 Sep 2002 06:43:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 40131 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 06:43:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2002 06:43:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 06:43:41 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g826hOIk035906 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 02:43:24 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3D7307CB.77EC6F20@skyweb.net> Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 02:40:11 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ham roundtable References: <20020902063754.78765.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Give a Frequency and Time???? Im still looking for an Old 250watt to 1 kw Commercial AM transmitter to Convert for 160 meters Cheap... My Kenwood TS-520 Works fine on 160SSB But at only 100watts. Cannot even talk to the Guy 2 towns over with this flea power.. Neal JNR wrote: > What days/nights are hams available? Please give > me some skeds.. > > 73 de Jay,N1WVQ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From KC4QLP@aol.com Mon Sep 02 00:03:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 2 Sep 2002 07:03:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 83137 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 07:03:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2002 07:03:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d08.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 07:03:42 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.12e.16cf80e3 (15900) for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 03:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aol.com (mow-m26.webmail.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v88.20) with ESMTP id MAILINID93-0902030340; Mon, 02 Sep 2002 03:03:40 -0400 Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 03:03:40 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ham roundtable Message-ID: <6EDD2A1C.6F977FD6.00045A33@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated Mon, 2 Sep 2002 1:40:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, groucho@skyweb.net writes: > Give a Frequency and Time???? Im still looking for an Old 250watt to 1 kw > Commercial AM transmitter to Convert for 160 meters Cheap... > My Kenwood TS-520 Works fine on 160SSB But at only > 100watts. Cannot even > talk to the Guy 2 towns over with this flea power.. > Neal You would be surprised what you could do with 100 watts and a short {35 foot} vertical and some ground radials on 160 meters. Sure you wont have a booming signal..but during the winter months,most of the northern and middle eastern seaboard should hear you fine. I'm good for the evenings ..Sunday evening being the best for me. I can work any band...just name it. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From alinton1@eircom.net Mon Sep 02 03:39:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: alinton1@eircom.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 2 Sep 2002 10:39:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 16199 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 10:38:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2002 10:38:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail00.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net) (159.134.118.16) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 10:38:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 81262 messnum 527188 invoked from network[159.134.148.250/p250.as1.waterford1.eircom.net]); 2 Sep 2002 10:38:57 -0000 Received: from p250.as1.waterford1.eircom.net (HELO fr1.eircom.net) (159.134.148.250) by mail00.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net (qp 81262) with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 10:38:57 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.1.2.2.20020902113716.00a98b68@pop.esatclear.ie> X-Sender: alinton1@mail1.eircom.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1.3 (Beta) Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 11:38:56 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9200 ok for AMS? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Andy Linton X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No, sorry, the 9200 while being an excellent quality AM processor, is mono only. Pity, I know. 9100B/2 units can be got for good bux these days, Orban have some ex-demo units going cheap right now. Rgds At 01:23 02/09/2002 +0000, you wrote: >I've read that the Optimod 9100 has an AM Stereo card, but can the >Optimod 9200 have an AM stereo option as well? I'm trying to get >enough data for CHWO AM 740 Toronto to convince them to go AMS, and >they just bought an Optimod 9200 when they went on the air with their >music format. I get a sinking feeling that their 9200 isn't stereo >capable, which is too bad, as their 50KW blowtorch has an eccletic >selection of music. > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/2002 ----------------------------------- Andy Linton alinton@esatclear.ie Waterford, Ireland ---------- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/2002 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Sep 02 08:41:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 2 Sep 2002 15:41:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 20993 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 15:41:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2002 15:41:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11704.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 15:41:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20020902154147.25742.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.36.237] by web11704.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Sep 2002 08:41:47 PDT Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 08:41:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ham roundtable To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <6EDD2A1C.6F977FD6.00045A33@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Sunday evenings are good for me too. I suppose 20 provides the best coverage. If we want to escape QRM, there's always 40 at night, hi hi. I suppose everyone will want to use AM. Am I correct in assuming this? I'm good for AM or slopbucket, er, sideband. Let me check AM International and see what nets they have on then. 73, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Sep 02 08:43:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 2 Sep 2002 15:43:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 24344 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 15:43:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2002 15:43:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11704.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 15:43:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20020902154356.25911.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.36.237] by web11704.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Sep 2002 08:43:56 PDT Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 08:43:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ham roundtable To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3D7307CB.77EC6F20@skyweb.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Neal, WFOY/1240-St. Augustine, Fl. was going to sell their XMTR. for $1,000.00 to some outfit to give to a latin American country. I think they still have it. It's a Collins 20V2 from 1961. Their backup is a Collins 300G (250W). Their # is (904) 829-3416. The owner's name is Doug Shull. Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Sep 02 11:57:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 2 Sep 2002 18:57:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 66825 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 18:57:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2002 18:57:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 18:57:55 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-206.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.206]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g82IqxDS015877 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 13:53:49 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001701c252b2$ba353260$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Great news RE CHUM! Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 13:57:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I wonder if the transmitters are still around or if they've been trashed or snapped up by hams? ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "onemeridian" > The transmitter for 6005 CFCX malfunctioned several years ago; the > parts are no longer available & the staff decided not to have the SW > relay anymore From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Sep 02 12:14:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 2 Sep 2002 19:14:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 80535 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 19:14:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2002 19:14:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 19:14:28 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-206.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.206]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g82JALDS018384 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 14:10:23 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <006501c252b5$0a2ee980$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 740 WJIB Nautel Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 14:15:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude They've gone two generations past the old Ampfets and they are much improved. I've got two late ND series transmitters on my 1280 station, and they don't seem to have anymore problems than anyone else's boxes. I'd take a Nautel over an Omnitronix. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "wgliradio" > The rig was circa 1987 an Amphet 10. Give me a Harris DX-10 or > anything on the BE line anyday. From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Sep 02 12:16:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 2 Sep 2002 19:16:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 4152 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 19:16:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2002 19:16:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 19:16:08 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-206.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.206]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g82JC1DS018629 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 14:12:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <007101c252b5$45ccc0c0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} CJCH update Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 14:16:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I doubt that it would be beamed out of Canada. Those SW outlets were for the Canadian hinterlands beyond the reach of their BCB signal. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "tubesareking" > The last I heard, MBS had, or was thinking of, buying a new 500 or > so watt transmitter for CHNX. As I understand it, their signal is > [or was] beamed to Europe or Europe and the Eastern Seaboard of the > USA. In other words, it would be easier to pick it up in London or > New York than in the Maritimes. From KC4QLP@aol.com Mon Sep 02 12:16:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 2 Sep 2002 19:16:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 73979 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 19:16:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2002 19:16:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.5) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 19:16:29 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.17b.dc6bb0c (3310) for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 15:16:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <17b.dc6bb0c.2aa51305@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 15:16:21 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ham roundtable To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 9/2/02 12:14:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, a1asurfradio@yahoo.com writes: << Sunday evenings are good for me too. I suppose 20 provides the best coverage. If we want to escape QRM, there's always 40 at night, hi hi. I suppose everyone will want to use AM. Am I correct in assuming this? I'm good for AM or slopbucket, er, sideband. Let me check AM International and see what nets they have on then. >> Sounds good to me! As far as nets on 20 meters goes..this is what I found on these web pages AM INTERNATIONAL The AM Window I dont know how active it is....really I've heard very little AM activity on 20 meters. 40 meters doesnt quiet down until very late at night..and the propagation gets very long on 40 in the evening....meaning its very easy to work west coast stations often time skipping over nearby stations. Guess we'll see who all is interested and where everyone is located so we can determine the best band{s} to use. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Mon Sep 02 12:20:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 2 Sep 2002 19:20:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 17346 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 19:20:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2002 19:20:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 19:20:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2002 19:20:32 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 19:20:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 740 WJIB Nautel Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006501c252b5$0a2ee980$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 400 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 141.157.200.167 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Scott Todd" wrote: > They've gone two generations past the old Ampfets and they are much > improved. I've got two late ND series transmitters on my 1280 station, and > they don't seem to have anymore problems than anyone else's boxes. I'd take > a Nautel over an Omnitronix. I think many would. I didn't even think Omnitronix was still in business? From KC4QLP@aol.com Mon Sep 02 12:32:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 2 Sep 2002 19:32:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 46104 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 19:32:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2002 19:32:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 19:32:18 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.35.2c435ed2 (3310) for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 15:32:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35.2c435ed2.2aa516bc@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 15:32:12 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} CJCH update To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 9/2/02 3:16:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, stodd@sherbtel.net writes: << I doubt that it would be beamed out of Canada. Those SW outlets were for the Canadian hinterlands beyond the reach of their BCB signal. ST >> I've often been able to listen to those 1kw SW outlets with a good antenna during the winter months...during the day here in NC.{ night-time reception was out of the question...to much splater from other shortwave stations made receiving the 1kw Canadian shortwave outlets next to impossible to listen too} Its been a while since I last listened to them,but it was quite neat to listen to a local broadcast of a Canadian station via shortwave. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Mon Sep 02 12:37:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 2 Sep 2002 19:37:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 8515 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 19:37:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2002 19:37:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imf11bis.bellsouth.net) (205.152.58.151) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 19:37:41 -0000 Received: from juan ([67.34.87.229]) by imf11bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020902193918.GAZP18051.imf11bis.bellsouth.net@juan> for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 15:39:18 -0400 Message-ID: <00a401c252b8$36134d90$af78fea9@juan> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} A.M. Stereo is a Labor of Love Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 15:37:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Juan / John Gualda" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Donn Am-Stereo is a labor of love. Thanks to those, who put the components together and modify our radios, thanks to those who engineer and manage am-stereo stations thanks to the people on and off our lists that made their opinions know about IBOC to the U.S. F.C.C. and thanks to those who email and write letters of support.(which reminds me, I have to crank out a letter I promised to write earlier this week, haven't forgotten you, Juan!). A special thanks to those that stream(Dave Mitchell) am-stereo and to those who provide the clips of am-stereo is also in order.(Jeff Deck, Michael and others) Thanks to those on the list, who manufacture the am-stereo transmitter (Nautel) and for those who help manufacture new am-stereo tuners/receivers. (Fanfare) I hope I haven't forgotten anyone. Oh and thanks to Dennis and Kevin T for providing us with the am-stereo lists. It's been a rough year since the 11th of September, but some nice gains have been made, WTTM, am-stereo 1660(New Jersey); WTTB, am-stereo 1490, Vero Beach(Florida), and Michael's KEVA, am-stereo 1240(Wyoming) and now even CHUM, 1050 Toronto has returned to music and hopefully stereo again soon. donn st petersburg, fl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Sep 02 13:06:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 2 Sep 2002 20:06:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 51882 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 20:06:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2002 20:06:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11708.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 20:06:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20020902200656.40683.qmail@web11708.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.36.237] by web11708.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Sep 2002 13:06:56 PDT Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 13:06:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ham roundtable To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <17b.dc6bb0c.2aa51305@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio My friend N1JBC suggested IRLP. Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Sep 02 13:24:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 2 Sep 2002 20:24:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 80323 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 20:24:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2002 20:24:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11707.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 20:23:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20020902202359.99057.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.36.237] by web11707.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Sep 2002 13:23:59 PDT Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 13:23:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: XEQOO/1050: Kevin T., please add this one. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20020902200656.40683.qmail@web11708.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio About a year or two ago I heard a station with a Spanish announcer saying "Disco Nights" on 1050kC. It sounded like it was Spanish. At first, I thought it was XEG, but upon a tip on the DX E-mail list, it turns out to be XEQOO/1050-Cancun. Even better! I've heard them in stereo many times. It even tripped the pilot light on my car radio in Florida. Maybe Mexico's F.C.C. isn't as screwed up as ours in the U.S.! Stations seem to be in stereo there! Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Sep 02 15:09:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 2 Sep 2002 22:09:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 55601 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 22:09:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2002 22:09:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 22:09:13 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-136.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.136]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g82M4wDS014508 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 17:05:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <018a01c252cd$73aa2920$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <3D6EBE9B.C532A231@skyweb.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} RE:WTTM 1680 AM STEREO Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 15:09:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Bravissimo! Did you get any airchecks before and after the switch? ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Newman" > Hear Ye, Hear Ye , Hear Ye > let it Be known on this date the 29th of August In the Year 2002 > That Radio station WTTM On a frequency of 1680 Khz > and at the hour of 7 O'Clock PM. During the Show CLUB 1680 has become in > all its Glory Full Fidelity AM STEREO...... From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Sep 02 15:09:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 2 Sep 2002 22:09:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 55438 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 22:09:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2002 22:09:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 22:09:22 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-136.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.136]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g82M4wDU014508 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 17:05:15 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <018b01c252cd$79c19be0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 740 WJIB Nautel Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 15:18:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude My stations all use Optimod and we kick all the other talk stations' butts. It's all how you set them. I'll agree with you on Arrakis consoles and Gentner phone systems, though. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "wgliradio" > To be fair, I know people who had the MW experience with Harris and > never went back. If recommending an AM transmitter, unless I > encounter one and it changes my mind, I still would have reservations > on Nautel. I also have reservations on Optimod audio processors > (must every AM sound flat and lifeless), anything made by Arrakis > systems (how many IC's can I fry today) or Gentner phone hybrids > (will it fall apart in its first year in service). > From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Sep 02 15:09:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 2 Sep 2002 22:09:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 55977 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 22:09:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2002 22:09:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 22:09:31 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-136.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.136]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g82M4wDW014508 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 17:05:23 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <018c01c252cd$7f280e20$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <3D718A7E.17B81E8D@ncf.ca> Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1050 CHUM Not Stereo...? Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 15:24:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Have you let them know you've noticed? They'll never get around to fixing it unless they know anyone cares. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Cumming" > And finally, I'd hate to be the bearer of more bad news, but it > appears 580 CFRA here in Ottawa is now mono with a pilot tone. From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Sep 02 15:09:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 2 Sep 2002 22:09:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 32162 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 22:09:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2002 22:09:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 22:09:40 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-136.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.136]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g82M4wDY014508 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 17:05:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <018d01c252cd$83c515e0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020901035321.85769.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Chrysler Schematic / Service Manual? Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 15:26:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Downtown Radio in Denver CO will copy schematics of older radios for a fee. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnny Electron" > Can anybody help with this one? Looking for Chrysler Schematic/Service Manual > for the Chrysler 5 level EQ AMS/FMS/Cassette deck. From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Sep 02 15:09:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 2 Sep 2002 22:09:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 29897 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 22:09:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2002 22:09:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 22:09:51 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-136.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.136]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g82M4wDa014508 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 17:05:42 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <018e01c252cd$89ed5180$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020902154356.25911.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ham roundtable Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 16:50:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I'm pretty sure both were snapped up by some hams by now. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "JNR" > It's a Collins 20V2 from 1961. > Their backup is a Collins 300G (250W). From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Sep 02 15:10:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 2 Sep 2002 22:10:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 56515 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 22:10:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2002 22:10:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 22:10:00 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-136.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.136]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g82M4wDc014508 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 17:05:52 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <018f01c252cd$900c6560$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020902063754.78765.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ham roundtable Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 16:52:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Saturday nights will be OK for me once I get an antenna up (and that may be awhile.) AM only. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "JNR" To: Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 1:37 AM Subject: {AMSF} Ham roundtable > What days/nights are hams available? Please give > me some skeds.. > > 73 de Jay,N1WVQ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Sep 02 15:10:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 2 Sep 2002 22:10:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 48426 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 22:10:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2002 22:10:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 22:10:08 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-136.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.136]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g82M4wDe014508 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 17:06:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <019001c252cd$94b294e0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020901055815.49155.qmail@web11708.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} WALE/990-I can finally spill the beans BIG TIME! Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 16:58:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude The FCC doesn't mind whistle-blowers' complaints, though interference complaints from other broadcasters yields better results. Hopefully the Rochester station will start hollering. As someone else said, the FCC is concentrating on three areas- public files, EAS, and tower violations- painting, lighting, fencing. If you can document any of those, Uncle would be glad to hear from you. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "JNR" > They purposely leave the XMTR. on all night even > though the station supposedly signs off at > midnight. No ID heard from Mid.-6A.M.. I'm sure > stereo WLGZ/990 in Rochester, N.Y. loves getting > interfered with. From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Sep 02 15:10:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 2 Sep 2002 22:10:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 56865 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 22:10:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2002 22:10:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 22:10:17 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-136.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.136]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g82M4wDg014508 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 17:06:08 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <019101c252cd$9a116600$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1690 WPTX Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 17:01:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Contact them on Tuesday and see if it gets any results. If they ignore the problem, then perhaps we could have Neal file a complaint with the FCC. But always give a station the chance to correct a problem in case they're decent folks who have yet to notice it. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevtronics" > Something is seriously wrong with the signal of 1690 WPTX in > Lexington Park, MD tonight From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Sep 02 15:10:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 2 Sep 2002 22:10:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 44717 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 22:10:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2002 22:10:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 22:10:24 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-136.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.136]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g82M4wDi014508 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 17:06:17 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <019201c252cd$9eb79580$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Great news RE CHUM! Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 17:04:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Have you got any contact info off the top of your head for either of these? I might be interested in adding one or both of these transmitters to my collection if they haven't been trashed or sold. Maybe Neal can use one of these for his AM ham setup. :) ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevtronics" > CFCX (6005 kHz) and CKFX (6080 kHz) are no longer active on shortwave. CHNX= > (6130 kHz) is also off the air due to problems with their transmitter. > From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Sep 02 15:26:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 2 Sep 2002 22:26:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 72815 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 22:26:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2002 22:26:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 22:26:14 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-136.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.136]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g82MM7DS017147 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 17:22:08 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <019601c252cf$d4eb6620$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1240 KEVA Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 17:26:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Thanks for the link. Normally I don't even try to download audio cuts as my connection is usually too slow and/or I don't have the time. Today I did and that clip is knock-your-socks-off quality. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevtronics" > The recording of Michael J's 1240 KEVA in AM Stereo is *highly* > recommended if you haven't heard it yet! From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Sep 02 15:30:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 2 Sep 2002 22:30:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 72154 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 22:30:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2002 22:30:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 22:30:10 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-136.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.136]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g82MQ3DS017704 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 17:26:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <01a401c252d0$61a9fa40$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 740 WJIB Nautel Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 17:30:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Bought by LPB a couple years back. My daytime antenna has some reflected power and it doesn't seem to affect either ND-5. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "wgliradio" > I think many would. I didn't even think Omnitronix was still in > business? From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Sep 02 16:38:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 2 Sep 2002 23:38:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 45897 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 23:38:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2002 23:38:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11705.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 23:38:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20020902233834.95931.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.36.237] by web11705.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Sep 2002 16:38:34 PDT Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 16:38:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} WALE/990-I can finally spill the beans BIG TIME! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <019001c252cd$94b294e0$d3a9fea9@me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I heard that the public file is in order. although that was from the last station manager, the EAS is okay (even though I can't recall one time when we conducted one ourselves) and there is something about the tower. WALE can't check for the lights by the way. The phone link and the other link have been screwed up. In fact, yesterday when I went over there to get my stuff, I tried the link and it was out again. Jay P.S.: I did get their A.M. Stereo paraphenalia (spelling?) that Motorola had sent them along with Kahn's powerside paraphenalia. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Sep 02 16:40:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 2 Sep 2002 23:40:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 48397 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 23:40:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2002 23:40:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11706.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 23:40:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20020902234023.56990.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.36.237] by web11706.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Sep 2002 16:40:23 PDT Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 16:40:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ham roundtable To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <018e01c252cd$89ed5180$d3a9fea9@me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I think WFOY is still using those XMTRs. as they haven't moved their studio/transmitter yet. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Sep 02 16:47:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 2 Sep 2002 23:47:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 28295 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 23:47:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2002 23:47:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11703.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 23:47:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20020902234747.14388.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.36.237] by web11703.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Sep 2002 16:47:47 PDT Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 16:47:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ham roundtable To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <018f01c252cd$900c6560$d3a9fea9@me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio So we have Saturday and Sunday nights available. Any others? What about IRLP? 73, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From bryancain57@yahoo.com Mon Sep 02 17:33:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: bryancain57@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 3 Sep 2002 00:33:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 22257 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 00:33:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2002 00:33:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 00:33:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2002 00:33:17 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 00:33:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1690 WPTX Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <019101c252cd$9a116600$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 608 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bryancain57" X-Originating-IP: 63.188.17.160 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=111365738 X-Yahoo-Profile: bryancain57 --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Scott Todd" wrote: > Contact them on Tuesday and see if it gets any results. If they ignore the > problem, then perhaps we could have Neal file a complaint with the FCC. But > always give a station the chance to correct a problem in case they're decent > folks who have yet to notice it. > ST > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "kevtronics" > > > > Something is seriously wrong with the signal of 1690 WPTX in > > Lexington Park, MD tonight REPLY: I've had no luck getting WPTX in for several days, and it is my easiest X-Band dx. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Sep 02 18:24:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 3 Sep 2002 01:24:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 11131 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 01:24:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2002 01:24:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 01:24:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2002 01:24:50 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 01:24:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Optimod Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <018b01c252cd$79c19be0$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1923 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.69.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > My stations all use Optimod and we kick all the other talk > stations' butts. It's all how you set them. Bob Orban built the entire Optimod industry upon the concept of achieving loud audio for music without "pumping" (an effect where a strong bass tone or kick-drum beat will "punch down" the overall volume level of the audio). However, I personally think that a certain amount of "pumping" is actually beneficial for AM music stations. This is because the bass tones and drum beats that would cause this "pumping" effect are mostly outside of the frequency response range of most cheap AM radios with small speakers -- i.e., the average clock radio, table radio, walkman through cheap earphones, etc. If you Optimod-ize the audio to remove this "pumping" effect, then these bass and percussion sounds are simply GONE from the audio if the radio has too narrow of a frequency response to let you hear them. However, if you let a certain amount of "pumping" through, then the "effect" of these sounds can still be heard within the narrow audio range of a cheap AM radio. It may come out as an unelegant "pop" type of noise, but you can at least hear SOME hint of the bass and percussion that you would normally be missing entirely. Also, to some degree, "pumping" sounds "natural" and is *expected* by the listener. In fact, it is very common on TV audio -- just listen when people start clapping or talking over background music. Or, on any radio station where the DJ talks over the music without using a manual level control to "pot down" the music (which few DJs seem to do anymore!). So, chances are if you encounter an AM music station that sounds fantastic on a wide-bandwidth receiver, but sounds especially dull and flat on a cheap narrow-bandwidth radio, then they're probably using an Optimod and not straying too far away from Orban's recommended "pumping-free" settings. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Sep 02 18:57:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 3 Sep 2002 01:57:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 99147 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 01:57:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2002 01:57:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 01:57:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2002 01:57:23 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 01:57:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Surely you can't be Sirius? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2167 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.69.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I was at an electronics store today where they had demos of XM and Sirius satellite radio set up side by side. I can confirm that Sirius sounds just as bad as XM, if not even worse! It is "stereo", but the sound is so "wishy-washy" that is simply unacceptable by any comparison to AM Stereo or FM Stereo. I have truly heard RealAudio web-casts over my computer modem that sound better. On XM and Sirius, the sound is unnaturally "bright" and "harsh", due to the FAKE treble that its "Spatial Band Replication" produces (basically, all treble response above 8 kHz is "simulated" based on harmonics of the lower frequencies!). And on wide-separation Stereo recordings, there is an almost "underwater" effect going on which becomes CLEARLY obvious even if you are not trying to listen to any defects in the sound. I was surprised to hear Sirius's 50s/60s Oldies channel playing a rare Stereo version of "I Want To Hold Your Hand" by the Beatles, but the sound quality was definitely sub-par. Also, it was AM Stereo deja vu when I bought a cheap Apex DVD player and brought it home only to find that it does NOT play Video CDs (VCDs) even though the floor model on the store's shelf clearly had "DVD/VCD/CD/MP3 Player" printed on it. Upon investigation via the Internet, it turns out that Apex didn't think it was worth it for them to pay a $4.00 licensing fee per unit manufactured to support Video CD on this model, so they discontinued it with no prior notice, leaving newer versions of the same model only labelled as "DVD/CD/MP3 Player", like mine. This is now useless to me because I only bought it to play Video CDs (rare in the USA, but very common elsewhere, especially for music videos). Now I have to return it and try to find another one in the store's stock with VCD capability still listed on the box -- people say they're still out there, but becoming rare as Apex dropped the VCD support a few months ago. So, Apex dropped VCD support in order to save $4.00 per unit in manufacturing costs -- doesn't sound much different than when Nissan dropped AM Stereo from their car radios in 1996 to save 50 cents per unit! From kfornal@loa.com Mon Sep 02 19:08:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kfornal@loa.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 3 Sep 2002 02:08:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 79832 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 02:08:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2002 02:08:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao02.cox.net) (68.1.17.243) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 02:08:39 -0000 Received: from OMNIBOOK ([68.9.127.164]) by lakemtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020903020833.TMRQ12192.lakemtao02.cox.net@OMNIBOOK> for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 22:08:33 -0400 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} Surely you can't be Sirius? Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 22:08:30 -0400 Message-ID: <001201c252ee$cc761520$0401a8c0@OMNIBOOK> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Keith Fornal" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110312140 X-Yahoo-Profile: theradboy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin, I have had great luck with my GE DVD player; model GE1101P which I purchased at Wal-Mart about a year ago for $129. I noticed that it is now down to $87 and I believe it is a great deal. It plays DVD, VCD, CD, CD-R, CD-RW and MP3. It even has a karaoke function that I have never used, but might be fun. http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=1146636 &cat=95987&type=19&dept=0&path=0%3A3944%3A3987%3A62055%3A95987 Keith Fornal Treasurer Dutch Island Lighthouse Society www.dutchislandlighthouse.org -----Original Message----- From: kevtronics [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 9:57 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Surely you can't be Sirius? Also, it was AM Stereo deja vu when I bought a cheap Apex DVD player and brought it home only to find that it does NOT play Video CDs (VCDs) even though the floor model on the store's shelf clearly had "DVD/VCD/CD/MP3 Player" printed on it. Upon investigation via the Internet, it turns out that Apex didn't think it was worth it for them to pay a $4.00 licensing fee per unit manufactured to support Video CD on this model, so they discontinued it with no prior notice, leaving newer versions of the same model only labelled as "DVD/CD/MP3 Player", like mine. This is now useless to me because I only bought it to play Video CDs (rare in the USA, but very common elsewhere, especially for music videos). Now I have to return it and try to find another one in the store's stock with VCD capability still listed on the box -- people say they're still out there, but becoming rare as Apex dropped the VCD support a few months ago. So, Apex dropped VCD support in order to save $4.00 per unit in manufacturing costs -- doesn't sound much different than when Nissan dropped AM Stereo from their car radios in 1996 to save 50 cents per unit! Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Mon Sep 02 19:18:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 3 Sep 2002 02:18:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 85318 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 02:18:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2002 02:18:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r04.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.100) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 02:18:08 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.28.2bf5fd47 (3310) for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 22:18:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <28.2bf5fd47.2aa575d8@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 22:18:00 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ham roundtable To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp << What about IRLP? >> Ok...brain dead tonight...Whats IRLP? Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms." Your message (if actually mailed) is in violation of the Federal Telephone Consumer Protection Act of 1991, and Collateral Code of Federal Regulations (47 CFR 64.1200). The TCPA allows a private right of action against the sender of unsolicited advertising. The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Sep 02 19:35:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 3 Sep 2002 02:35:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 43001 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 02:35:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2002 02:35:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11708.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 02:35:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20020903023540.79649.qmail@web11708.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.36.237] by web11708.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Sep 2002 19:35:40 PDT Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 19:35:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ham roundtable To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <28.2bf5fd47.2aa575d8@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio IRLP links repeaters through the internet. Upon inspection of www.qrz.com, I see that a lot of Techs are on this group. 73 Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From groucho@skyweb.net Mon Sep 02 20:38:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 3 Sep 2002 03:38:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 81168 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 03:38:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2002 03:38:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 03:38:02 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g833bkIk025371 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 23:37:46 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3D742DCD.FDD1AD70@skyweb.net> Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 23:34:37 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ham roundtable References: <17b.dc6bb0c.2aa51305@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Sorry Boys... My Kenwood Ts-520S does not have AM... I'm stuck on SSB Neal KC4QLP@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/2/02 12:14:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > a1asurfradio@yahoo.com writes: > > << Sunday evenings are good for me too. I suppose > 20 provides the best coverage. If we want to > escape QRM, there's always 40 at night, hi hi. > > I suppose everyone will want to use AM. Am I > correct in assuming this? I'm good for AM or > slopbucket, er, sideband. > > Let me check AM International and see what nets > they have on then. >> > Sounds good to me! As far as nets on 20 meters goes..this is what I found on > these web pages HREF="http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/sweetbay/amintern.htm">AM > INTERNATIONAL The AM Window > I dont know how active it is....really I've heard very little AM activity on > 20 meters. > 40 meters doesnt quiet down until very late at night..and the propagation > gets very long on 40 in the evening....meaning its very easy to work west > coast stations often time skipping over nearby stations. > Guess we'll see who all is interested and where everyone is located so we can > determine the best band{s} to use. > > Bob Carter > Operations/Engineering > > WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 > Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio > Network > > Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering > services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. > e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com > http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice > Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC > WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC > WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC > > AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- > amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com > > amstereo-subcribe@topica.com > amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > > KC4QLP Amateur Radio > Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va > www.kc4qlp.cjb.net > > voice contact-252-335-0856 > fax 1-209-254-8978 > _______________________________________________________ > > WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter > 5, Subchapter II, > "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a > download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of > these terms." > Your message (if actually mailed) is in violation of the Federal Telephone > Consumer Protection Act of 1991, and Collateral Code of Federal Regulations > (47 CFR 64.1200). The TCPA allows a private right of action against the > sender of unsolicited advertising. The recipient can sue for $500, or > actualdamages (whichever is greater). > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------------- > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From groucho@skyweb.net Mon Sep 02 20:40:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 3 Sep 2002 03:40:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 2868 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 03:40:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2002 03:40:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 03:40:15 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g833dxIk025692 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 23:39:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3D742E52.2EFF430@skyweb.net> Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 23:36:50 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ham roundtable References: <20020902200656.40683.qmail@web11708.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 LOL... Now that sounds like Jed.... Bet he got IRLP on his repeater.. I Have I-Link on one of my 4 repeaters. JNR wrote: > My friend N1JBC suggested IRLP. > > Jay > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From groucho@skyweb.net Mon Sep 02 20:47:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 3 Sep 2002 03:47:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 54407 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 03:47:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2002 03:47:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 03:47:05 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g833knIk026856 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 23:46:49 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3D742FEC.120BF30D@skyweb.net> Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 23:43:40 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ham roundtable References: <28.2bf5fd47.2aa575d8@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Internet Repeater linking protocol.. I think... Neal KC4QLP@aol.com wrote: > << What about IRLP? >> > Ok...brain dead tonight...Whats IRLP? > > Bob Carter > Operations/Engineering > > WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 > Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio > Network > > Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering > services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. > e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com > http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice > Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC > WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC > WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC > > AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- > amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com > > amstereo-subcribe@topica.com > amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > > KC4QLP Amateur Radio > Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va > www.kc4qlp.cjb.net > > voice contact-252-335-0856 > fax 1-209-254-8978 > _______________________________________________________ > > WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter > 5, Subchapter II, > "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a > download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of > these terms." > Your message (if actually mailed) is in violation of the Federal Telephone > Consumer Protection Act of 1991, and Collateral Code of Federal Regulations > (47 CFR 64.1200). The TCPA allows a private right of action against the > sender of unsolicited advertising. The recipient can sue for $500, or > actualdamages (whichever is greater). > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------------- > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From groucho@skyweb.net Mon Sep 02 20:48:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 3 Sep 2002 03:48:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 13522 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 03:48:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2002 03:48:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 03:48:33 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g833mHIk027015 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 23:48:17 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3D743044.505A6C26@skyweb.net> Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 23:45:08 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ham roundtable References: <20020903023540.79649.qmail@web11708.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Not I.... I hold a grand fathered Advanced Class. and the XYL holds a grand mothered Novice... Neal JNR wrote: > IRLP links repeaters through the internet. Upon > inspection of www.qrz.com, I see that a lot of > Techs are on this group. > > 73 > Jay,N1WVQ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Sep 02 20:50:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 3 Sep 2002 03:50:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 84580 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 03:50:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2002 03:50:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11702.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 03:50:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20020903035021.7168.qmail@web11702.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.36.237] by web11702.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Sep 2002 20:50:21 PDT Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 20:50:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ham roundtable To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3D742E52.2EFF430@skyweb.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio He has it on a simplex frequency. I think 146.41. Just out of curiosity, do you have a verification for me? Jay P.S.: Jed should be on this list by the end of the night. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From groucho@skyweb.net Mon Sep 02 21:30:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 3 Sep 2002 04:30:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 7036 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 04:30:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2002 04:30:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 04:30:07 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g834ToIk033092 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 00:29:51 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3D743A02.723396FB@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 00:26:42 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ham roundtable References: <20020903035021.7168.qmail@web11702.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Not Sure I keep the Logbook at the Station. I'll let you know.. JNR wrote: > He has it on a simplex frequency. I think > 146.41. Just out of curiosity, do you have a > verification for me? > > Jay > > P.S.: Jed should be on this list by the end of > the night. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Sep 02 21:34:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 3 Sep 2002 04:34:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 4730 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 04:34:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2002 04:34:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11706.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 04:34:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20020903043427.6181.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.36.237] by web11706.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Sep 2002 21:34:27 PDT Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 21:34:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ham roundtable To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3D743A02.723396FB@skyweb.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Thanks. If not, I can run out to my car right now and check. So, are you ready to talk processing w/Jed? He heard my tape of 3MP and was hooked. I guess their processing is one of the best. It does sound bright & crisp. Right now I'm listening to an MP3 of 4AK in Australia, which I think is on 1278kC. but am not sure. Aussies: are there any hams on this list? Thanks, Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Mon Sep 02 21:56:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 3 Sep 2002 04:56:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 21451 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 04:56:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2002 04:56:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO proxymail.homerelay.com) (209.75.47.224) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 04:56:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 15077 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 04:56:03 -0000 Received: from vtcomm-6.homerelay.com (HELO yahoo.com) (209.75.47.216) by 0 with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 04:56:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: Date: 2 Sep 2002 21:55 -0500 Subject:Still Offending... From: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 Bay Area Offenders... 1190 KDYA Vallejo 1640 KDIA Vallejo 1510 KJAZ San Rafael just shut it's stereo light off. I don't know if they'll turn it back on or not. They just changed format to country so we'll see. Tom From dav259@csiro.au Mon Sep 02 22:42:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 3 Sep 2002 05:42:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 56256 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 05:42:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2002 05:42:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 05:42:07 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g835g6k22335 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:42:06 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:42:06 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ham roundtable In-Reply-To: <20020903043427.6181.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Mon, 2 Sep 2002, JNR wrote: > sound bright & crisp. Right now I'm listening to > an MP3 of 4AK in Australia, which I think is on > 1278kC. but am not sure. > > Aussies: are there any hams on this list? Don't think so Jay. 4AK is on 1242 khz. btw - 2 more tapes of 3MP are on the way ... Ian From matthew.trim@eds.com Mon Sep 02 23:25:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 3 Sep 2002 06:25:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 27407 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 06:25:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2002 06:25:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns5.eds.com) (203.17.185.230) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 06:25:53 -0000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com (nnsy-3.eds.com [192.168.1.1]) by ns5.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g836PqL24252 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 16:25:52 +1000 (EST) Received: from nnsy.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g836Pni20090 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 16:25:49 +1000 (EST) Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g836Pms20074 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 16:25:49 +1000 (EST) Received: by AUSYM000 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 16:25:41 +1000 Message-ID: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542809CAF2B4@AUSYM200> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Ham roundtable Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 16:25:42 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 G'day Jay, 4AK is on 1242 Unfortunately they dropped AMS a few months ago - I spoke to their Engineer and he told me it was due to their Network wanting to modulate to 120% to try and overcome some interference problems. I tried to explain to him that he could still do it but he said it was out of his hands. Cheers, Matt -----Original Message----- From: JNR [mailto:a1asurfradio@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, 3 September 2002 2:34 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ham roundtable Thanks. If not, I can run out to my car right now and check. So, are you ready to talk processing w/Jed? He heard my tape of 3MP and was hooked. I guess their processing is one of the best. It does sound bright & crisp. Right now I'm listening to an MP3 of 4AK in Australia, which I think is on 1278kC. but am not sure. Aussies: are there any hams on this list? Thanks, Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Sep 03 00:22:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 3 Sep 2002 07:22:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 97956 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 07:22:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2002 07:22:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 07:22:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2002 07:22:01 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 07:22:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Still Offending... Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 534 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.69.5 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Bay Area Offenders... > 1190 KDYA Vallejo > 1640 KDIA Vallejo When I was in the SF area in August 2000, 1190 KDYA was in full separation Stereo, and I believe 1640 KDIA was a Stereo signal but with no separation heard. Have you gotten in touch with them to ask what happened? BTW, 1640 KDIA was second station to ever start broadcasting on the Expanded Band. The first was 1660 WJDM in Elizabeth, NJ, now called WWRU, which recently returned to broadasting an AM Stereo signal after being in mono for the past few years. From n0uiheric@aol.com Tue Sep 03 01:11:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 3 Sep 2002 08:11:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 18005 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 08:11:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2002 08:11:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 08:11:42 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.3a.2bf3ba59 (18251) for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 04:11:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3a.2bf3ba59.2aa5c8b9@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 04:11:37 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Still Offending... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih St. Louis Area Offenders: The Big 550 KTRS Fan Sports 590 KFNS News/Talk 1120 KMOX and these stations that SHOULD BE STEREO: Variety 77 WEW KFUO AM 850 WCBW AM 880 Radio Disney 1260 AM AM 1380 KSLG AM 1430 WRTH AM 1460 KIRL (if I owned them, they would be Stereo anyway!) 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From alinton@esatclear.ie Tue Sep 03 02:08:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: alinton@esatclear.ie X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 3 Sep 2002 09:08:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 30190 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 09:08:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2002 09:08:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail05.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net) (159.134.118.21) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 09:08:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 79675 messnum 261685 invoked from network[159.134.149.81/p337.as1.waterford1.eircom.net]); 3 Sep 2002 09:08:06 -0000 Received: from p337.as1.waterford1.eircom.net (HELO laptop.esatclear.ie) (159.134.149.81) by mail05.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net (qp 79675) with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 09:08:06 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010903105224.02618778@pop.esatclear.ie> X-Sender: alinton@pop.esatclear.ie X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 11:08:28 +0100 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Optimod In-Reply-To: References: <018b01c252cd$79c19be0$d3a9fea9@me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: Andy Linton X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10800314 X-Yahoo-Profile: alinton1_ie At 01:24 03/09/2002 +0000, you wrote: >However, if you let a certain amount of "pumping" through, then the >"effect" of these sounds can still be heard within the narrow audio >range of a cheap AM radio. It may come out as an unelegant "pop" >type of noise, but you can at least hear SOME hint of the bass and >percussion that you would normally be missing entirely. Also, to >some degree, "pumping" sounds "natural" and is *expected* by the >listener. I have to disagree on this one Kevin! Pumping does not sound natural - where, in nature, do you hear the the presence of one set of frequencies affecting the amplitude of all others? Nowhere! Pumping is nothing more than an artifact of wideband limiting and poor audio processing. It happens because music naturally contains more energy at low frequencies than high, and these sounds cause the compressor to duck more than it would if it was just dealing with the non-bass frequencies. However with complex audio processing techniques, undesirable pumping can be removed (largely by use of multiband limiting) but the dynamic sound of the audio can be retained. I don't agree than it is expected by listeners - studies have shown that a pumpy sound is fatiguing to the listener. > In fact, it is very common on TV audio -- just listen when >people start clapping or talking over background music. Yes that's true, but only because somewhere in the audio chain is a wideband limiter. TV stations usually have processors on transmission, for example an Optimod-TV, but the production companies also use limiters, and often not very complex ones. A well set-up Optimod-AM will not sound dull and lifeless, it will sound open, clear and loud. The bass, although limited, will also still be evident because the brain 'expects' to hear those notes in certain circumstances, and will subconciously 'replace' the sound it's not actually hearing. Psycho-acoustics is a very complicated science. >So, chances are if you encounter an AM music station that sounds >fantastic on a wide-bandwidth receiver, but sounds especially dull >and flat on a cheap narrow-bandwidth radio, then they're probably >using an Optimod and not straying too far away from Orban's >recommended "pumping-free" settings. No, that's the result of actually being able to hear more of the frequency range from the good radio. However, if the station is thrashing it's audio to bits with over use of the multiband limiters and clippers, and by attenuating highs and lows on purpose, in order to achieve maximum loudness and density (as, I'm afraid, some do) then it will sound squashed and dull on a narrowband receiver, whereas a wideband radio will still reproduce what little is left of the bass and treble. A properly set up Optimod AM can sound fantastic! However, of course, the set up is down to the operator of the unit! Best, > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Sep 03 04:31:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 3 Sep 2002 11:31:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 79732 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 11:31:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2002 11:31:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 11:31:02 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g83BUkIk089910 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 07:30:47 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3D749CAB.ABE464BD@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 07:27:39 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Still Offending... References: <200209030455.g834twIk036926@pluto.skyweb.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Dude hey are only Offending if they are extended band and not Stereo.... Neal P.S. will somebody reading this PLEASE remove WTTM from the Offenders of the Faith List... tom_richard1980@yahoo.com wrote: > Bay Area Offenders... > > 1190 KDYA Vallejo > > 1640 KDIA Vallejo > > 1510 KJAZ San Rafael just shut it's stereo light off. I don't know if they'll turn it back on or not. They just changed format to country so we'll see. > > Tom > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Sep 03 04:34:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 3 Sep 2002 11:34:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 97420 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 11:34:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2002 11:34:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 11:34:32 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g83BYGIk090516 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 07:34:17 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3D749D7D.FB02771D@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 07:31:09 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ham roundtable References: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542809CAF2B4@AUSYM200> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 He does Not know what He is talking about. I'm running Stereo and 123% peak modulation and it sounds great.... I'm going to My Site today anyone around want a Tour Give me a call. Neal "Trim, Matthew L" wrote: > G'day Jay, > > 4AK is on 1242 > > Unfortunately they dropped AMS a few months ago - I spoke to their Engineer > and he told me it was due to their Network wanting to modulate to 120% to > try and overcome some interference problems. I tried to explain to him that > he could still do it but he said it was out of his hands. > > Cheers, > > Matt > > -----Original Message----- > From: JNR [mailto:a1asurfradio@yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, 3 September 2002 2:34 PM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ham roundtable > > Thanks. If not, I can run out to my car right > now and check. > > So, are you ready to talk processing w/Jed? He > heard my tape of 3MP and was hooked. I guess > their processing is one of the best. It does > sound bright & crisp. Right now I'm listening to > an MP3 of 4AK in Australia, which I think is on > 1278kC. but am not sure. > > Aussies: are there any hams on this list? > > Thanks, > Jay > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From philipr@irac.pe.ca Tue Sep 03 05:27:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 3 Sep 2002 12:27:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 42262 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 12:27:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2002 12:27:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 12:27:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2002 12:27:37 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 12:27:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} CJCH update - musings on CHNX etc. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007101c252b5$45ccc0c0$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2910 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Scott You are correct when it comes to the low power CBC shortwave stations - in Northern Quebec and other such areas. You may also be correct about some of the old central canadian low power relays of commercial stations - relays of old CFCF, CFRB etc. However, when CHNX occassionally broke away from CHNS for some of its own programming, a Royal visit etc. the target was clearly the UK. Given the historic ties between the Maritimes and new England and New York [what my grandmother used to refer to as the Boston states] I suspect that the pattern for CHNX could be a more or less elongated figure 8 - with one part of the 8 toward England, and the other part toward New England. I've frequently seen reception reports in Pop Comm from folks all along the Easren Seaboard of the USA. Years ago,I could never pick up CHNX in Antigonish, but when I moved to Fredericton [fairly close to the US border] I could pick up CHNX quite nicely - and that was with the same Sangean ATS-803A. While most of Canada does have a northern hinterland, the Maritime provinces do not. These relatively densely populated provinces enjoy close to 100% TV and radio coverage, and a very high level of cellphone coverage too. So it really wouldn't make any sense for CHNX to target a domestic audience. Besides, SW in Canada is not permitted for domestic use - only for international, and as you point out, hinterland use. Unfortunately, here in PEI I would be in a CHNX null, so I can't comment on whether or not they are broadcasting. Given the big profits MBS radio earns, the purchase and operation of a new little shortwave transmitter for its "daddy" station, CHNS, would make a lot of sense - a badge of pride. Of course, what would really make sense is for CJFX to have shortwave, given the work of the Coady International Institute in Antigonish NS. Hmmm, maybe that 25kw site for 580 could be converted into a shortwave relay - with regular break-a-ways for special international programming. Or, perhaps CJFX should sell the site to St.F.X.U. for this purpose. For the record, St.F.X.U. only owns 13% of CJFX. The rest of CJFX is owned by ordinary folks like yours truly [1/5 of 1%!]about 300 or so of us, something present management should remember. Phil --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Scott Todd" wrote: > I doubt that it would be beamed out of Canada. Those SW outlets were for > the Canadian hinterlands beyond the reach of their BCB signal. > ST > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "tubesareking" > > > The last I heard, MBS had, or was thinking of, buying a new 500 or > > so watt transmitter for CHNX. As I understand it, their signal is > > [or was] beamed to Europe or Europe and the Eastern Seaboard of the > > USA. In other words, it would be easier to pick it up in London or > > New York than in the Maritimes. From philipr@irac.pe.ca Tue Sep 03 05:53:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 3 Sep 2002 12:53:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 12353 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 12:53:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2002 12:53:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 12:53:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2002 12:53:12 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 12:53:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: CJCH update Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 815 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking I'm pleased to advise that I drove to work listening to a very fringe signal of 92 CJCH playing MUSIC! They call the new format "yesterday's favourites". To me, it sounds a little more like an Adult Standards station than an oldies station per se. in other words, you are more likely to hear Dusty Springfield than, say, the Beatles. At approximately 400,000 people HRM [halifax Regional Municipality] just may be big enough for such a format. But my commute is pretty short, so I didn't hear too many songs. Lots of chat between Brian Phillips and Rick Howe. What I'm about to say should be construed only one way, as a compliment, its sounds like old fashioned radio - music, news, sports, chat about community events etc. I haven't tried for stereo yet - must remember to try tonight. Phil From philipr@irac.pe.ca Tue Sep 03 06:00:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 3 Sep 2002 13:00:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 72441 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 13:00:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2002 13:00:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 13:00:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2002 13:00:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 13:00:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: RE:WTTM 1680 AM STEREO Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D6F6893.5F94FBD3@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 796 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Neal - WTTM sounds great in stereo here at night. PEI is Prince Edward Island Canada, Canada's smallest and most densely populated Province. My mailing address is: Phil Rafuse 5 Stewart Avenue Stratford PE C1B 1B1 Canada Reception is pretty good on my SRF-42 [in STEREO!], and is really good [albeit in mono] on my Sony ICFSW-77 and Zenith Trans-Oceanic 1000D. Phil --- In amstereoforum@y..., Neal Newman wrote: > Phil where is PEI? is that Philly? > you had sent Me an Email Once with a signal report. I hope to have the > certificates finished today.. send me your address so I can send you out a > QSL. > Neal > > tubesareking wrote: > > > Congratulations! > > > > I must try to pick up WTTM tonight, as it comes in quite well here > > in PEI. > > > > Phil From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Sep 03 07:08:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 3 Sep 2002 14:08:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 63880 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 14:08:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2002 14:08:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m3-cluster1.vcn.com) (209.193.72.33) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 14:08:46 -0000 Received: from keva (unverified [63.175.110.110]) by m3-cluster1.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 08:08:46 -0600 Message-ID: <008101c25353$71eacf00$0701010a@keva> To: References: <3D718A7E.17B81E8D@ncf.ca> <018c01c252cd$7f280e20$d3a9fea9@me> Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1050 CHUM Not Stereo...? Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 08:08:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Didn't Marv (our Fanfare friend) confirm this already that CHUM is indeed back in stereo? I think he did :) MJR n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 2:24 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1050 CHUM Not Stereo...? Have you let them know you've noticed? They'll never get around to fixing it unless they know anyone cares. ST [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mychucky@funport.net Tue Sep 03 07:17:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mychucky@funport.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 3 Sep 2002 14:17:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 69140 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 14:17:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2002 14:17:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.funport.com) (216.199.19.6) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 14:17:49 -0000 Received: from FatMusic2000 ([]) by mail.funport.com (Merak 5.0.2) with SMTP id JFB36580 for ; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 10:13:44 -0400 Message-ID: <002401c25354$c92441b0$2c8e1f40@FatMusic2000> To: References: <20020902234023.56990.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ham roundtable Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 10:18:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85836819 X-Yahoo-Profile: mychucky1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hmmm Yes WFOY is still using there transmitters, the new building they are moving into (The WAOC studios) also and the FM studios that I chief for is ready for them but the replacement transmitter for WAOC has not arrived so that they can move the Old WAOC GATES BC5 out which will make room for the new transmitter that WF"OY says it is buying........I will believe it when I see it.. Chuck www.stereoam.com ----- Original Message ----- From: JNR To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 7:40 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ham roundtable I think WFOY is still using those XMTRs. as they haven't moved their studio/transmitter yet. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT I'm a Woman Man seeking a Man Woman Enter city or ZIP Age: to Show only ads with photos Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From fanfare@globility.com Tue Sep 03 07:37:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fanfare@globility.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 3 Sep 2002 14:37:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 91156 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 14:37:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2002 14:37:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 14:37:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2002 14:37:07 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 14:37:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1050 CHUM Not Stereo...? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008101c25353$71eacf00$0701010a@keva> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1228 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "amfmguy" X-Originating-IP: 64.56.233.101 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107089276 X-Yahoo-Profile: amfmguy I did Michael. For a short time they were in stereo. However, not long after that, Chris C. made note of they fact that they were now mono. I just got off the horn with CHUM engineering and they apparently have issues to deal with. And you guys can probably imagine what they might be after more than a year of AMS domancy. When they turned the AMS back on, the quality of the sound was not what they'd hoped it would be. For me, the separation was quite good, but I agree, the sound was not as good as I've heard. The most important thing is they have not ditched their pilot. It will be up again within the month. AMS lives on! M. --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Michael J. Richard" wrote: > Didn't Marv (our Fanfare friend) confirm this already that CHUM is indeed back in stereo? I think he did :) > > MJR n WYO > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Scott Todd > To: amstereoforum@y... > Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 2:24 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1050 CHUM Not Stereo...? > > > Have you let them know you've noticed? They'll never get around to fixing > it unless they know anyone cares. > > ST > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Sep 03 07:54:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 3 Sep 2002 14:54:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 63645 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 14:54:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2002 14:54:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster1.vcn.com) (209.193.72.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 14:54:44 -0000 Received: from keva (unverified [63.175.110.110]) by m1-cluster1.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 08:54:44 -0600 Message-ID: <009701c25359$dd2cf120$0701010a@keva> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1050 CHUM Not Stereo...? Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 08:54:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Marv That's cool! At least they're working on it and they ARE planning on it. I'm sure the transmitter just needs a little tuning and the exciter maybe a little alignment after sitting dormant for a while. I'm STILL suffering some repercussions of an exciter that sat for years in the rack. I'll have to agree my sound wasn't the best when I fired up the exciter either. Especially with these dirty switches that are still somewhat giving me fits. Separation is really good at the moment, and that's with the EQ system built-in to the exciter disabled. (the switches). The CRL processor actually has separate trimmer pots for L+R and L-R. So I've tried tweaking up the L-R to increase the separation. If I try to push it too much I get some distortion and some negative modulation. So I have to watch it. I guess this is normal. Either that or as Bob Carter mentioned way back when this all started.....that resistor that I put in might not be enough, and the transmitter's exciter is being over-driven somewhat by the output of the Motorola exciter. That makes sense because the L-R is what the exciter generates. I know I know...I'm getting technical. But engineering guys...does this sound right? Should I try lowering the value of that resistor a bit? (it's basically a shunt between the exciter's output and GND....so the lower the value, the more shunting). MJR n STEREO n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: amfmguy To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 8:37 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1050 CHUM Not Stereo...? I did Michael. For a short time they were in stereo. However, not long after that, Chris C. made note of they fact that they were now mono. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Sep 03 08:22:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 3 Sep 2002 15:22:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 13397 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 15:22:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2002 15:22:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11702.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 15:22:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20020903152201.75771.qmail@web11702.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.36.237] by web11702.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 08:22:01 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 08:22:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ham roundtable To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <002401c25354$c92441b0$2c8e1f40@FatMusic2000> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I had given Doug, the owner of WFOY, some literature on A.M. Stereo back before I left Florida. Hopefully he's considered it. I know 1240 and 1420 will diplex off of 1420's tower (which I THINK is a ½-wave) with 1240 having their signal go along a "skirt" I think it's called. Is stereo possible this way? If so, he could do BOTH stations. By the way, I hope he gets BE XMTRs.. He is using Collins for the two XMTRs. now. I gave him literature on that, too. I know WAOC used to be 4kW but is now 2.18kW. WFOY will go from 1kW on a salt marsh to .58kW a few miles away. Chuck, will you be CE of both stations or will Parky, W4YVX or Joe, KB4OLY? 73, Jay,N1WVQ (In St. Aug. radio: 10/97-2/02). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From mychucky@funport.net Tue Sep 03 08:42:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mychucky@funport.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 3 Sep 2002 15:42:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 56480 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 15:42:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2002 15:42:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.funport.com) (216.199.19.6) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 15:42:29 -0000 Received: from FatMusic2000 ([]) by mail.funport.com (Merak 5.0.2) with SMTP id JFB36580 for ; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 11:38:25 -0400 Message-ID: <008001c25360$9df01d00$2c8e1f40@FatMusic2000> To: References: <20020903152201.75771.qmail@web11702.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ham roundtable Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 11:43:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85836819 X-Yahoo-Profile: mychucky1 I would not hold my breath for Doug Shull (Domar Broadcasting) owner to do ANYTHING that costs one thin dime more than he has to. His WFOY is talk radio primarily, so Stereo AM is not going to do much for that station. WAOC is now "REAL CO"UNTRY" I did install that and program the automation to accommodate the network breaks while they were LMA, I am not however his Engineer now that he has taken ownership of the WAOC portion.They run the WAOC morning show out of our FM studio and to that extent if they break something in the FM studio they get a bill from me for the labor. Alan Alsobrook and Parky ???? are his resident engineers. "He says I charge to much" I guess they work for thank you's. He is looking at a used Harris SX for the WAOC but it does not have a built in exciter for AM Stereo so there won't be much hope. Both stations will use a diplexer and feed the same skirt ( folded unipole) on the 435 foot tower. 1/2 wave or there abouts He is planning at last word to run WFOY on the old WAOC nighttime transmitter a Harris MW-1. WKLN is still DARK in ST. Augustine which was AM STEREO (my crowning achievement) Alan Alsobrook is the Chief there now as it is returning to it's transmitter room at the WS"OS FM location and will use a unipole on the WSOS tower.. He told me that he most likely would put it on in Stereo if he can get the AMIGO AM processor that disappeared back from Jerry Smith. So there it is all the news/dirt that is news from the jewel of the south. Chuck www.stereoam.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "JNR" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 11:22 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ham roundtable > I had given Doug, the owner of WFOY, some > literature on A.M. Stereo back before I left > Florida. Hopefully he's considered it. I know > 1240 and 1420 will diplex off of 1420's tower > (which I THINK is a ½-wave) with 1240 having > their signal go along a "skirt" I think it's > called. Is stereo possible this way? If so, he > could do BOTH stations. By the way, I hope he > gets BE XMTRs.. He is using Collins for the two > XMTRs. now. I gave him literature on that, too. > > I know WAOC used to be 4kW but is now 2.18kW. > WFOY will go from 1kW on a salt marsh to .58kW a > few miles away. Chuck, will you be CE of both > stations or will Parky, W4YVX or Joe, KB4OLY? > > 73, > Jay,N1WVQ > (In St. Aug. radio: 10/97-2/02). > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Sep 03 08:45:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 3 Sep 2002 15:45:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 28348 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 15:45:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2002 15:45:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 15:45:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2002 15:45:06 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 15:45:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Still Offending... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D749CAB.ABE464BD@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 405 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 66.200.203.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > P.S. will somebody reading this PLEASE remove WTTM from the > Offenders of the Faith List... That's on Alex's old site which we have no control over. I'm thinking about removing the link on www.AMStereoRadio.com to Alex's page because it is getting so out of date. Or, maybe only linking to certain parts of it, like his big long commentary page, or the information on Japan-only AM Stereo radios. From KC4QLP@aol.com Tue Sep 03 09:15:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 3 Sep 2002 16:15:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 22816 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 16:15:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2002 16:15:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d10.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.42) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 16:15:00 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.17.2dca6b59 (3842) for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 12:14:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <17.2dca6b59.2aa639f6@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 12:14:46 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ham roundtable To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 9/3/02 11:41:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 a1asurfradio@yahoo.com writes: << I know 1240 and 1420 will diplex off of 1420's tower (which I THINK is a =BD-wave) with 1240 having their signal go along a "skirt" I think it's called. Is stereo possible this way? If so, he could do BOTH stations. >> Its very possible to run stereo on a duplexed station. The only issue you m= ay=20 have is bandwidth...it might restrict the audio bandpass of the two station= s=20 to a degree....but it should work ok though Bob Carter Operations/Engineering =20 WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3=20 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio=20 Network=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineeri= ng=20 services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC=20 WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com = =20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 amstereo-subcribe@topica.com=20 amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com=20 = =20 KC4QLP Amateur Radio=20=20 Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________=20 WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapte= r=20 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to = a=20 download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of=20 these terms." Your message (if actually mailed) is in violation of the Federal Telephone= =20 Consumer Protection Act of 1991, and Collateral Code of Federal Regulations= =20 (47 CFR 64.1200). The TCPA allows a private right of action against the=20 sender of unsolicited advertising. The recipient can sue for $500, or=20 actualdamages (whichever is greater).=20 =20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- ------------------- From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Sep 03 09:24:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 3 Sep 2002 16:24:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 1625 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 16:24:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2002 16:24:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11704.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 16:24:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20020903162419.74692.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.36.237] by web11704.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 09:24:19 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 09:24:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Was ham roundtable, turned into Jay's radio manifesto chapter 6 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542809CAF2B4@AUSYM200> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I should really start consulting the '02 edition of the World Radio TV Handbook. What is the station I'm thinking of on 1278? 3AW? Mmm...A&W rootbeer! Let me get this straight: the CE was told to modulate to 120% in mono so they could overcome interference? Isn't AMS allowed 125% or is that just the F.C.C.'s rule? Interference: of course they're going to be interfered with! It's A.M.! I hate to say it, but even my telephone was making click sounds on a 5kW AM yesterday when I was dialing a #. The one problem AM will never be cured of is static/interference (QRM). Especially when you're listening to an AM Stereo receiver because the frequency response is so high (probably past 10kC.) When I had an AM Mono radio, no station bled over to the next frequency. When I had the Stereo radio put in, stations were 10kC either way. You know what? It's a trade-off I'm willing to make because the other option is to go back to mono, and I'm not about AM regressing any further. Not that FM is the staic-free saint it's portrayed to be. When I was in Florida, there was this one section of San Marcos Ave. in St. Aug. where all but the closest stations were wiped out on AM AND FM, and believe me I wasn't about to listen to WSOS/94.1 which is THE CHEESIEST radio station I've EVER heard! I've heard more professional-sounding college stations! A "Hot" Adult Contemporary station with NO JINGLES! Just some guy saying "Ninety-four-point-one WSOS: The Muuuuuuuuuusic Station" that sounds like he's a cow getting milked! I'll take Providence's 94.1 anyday. "94WHJY-Providence. The Bastard Child of Clear Channel Communications." Yes, that is one of their IDs. I am NOT making that up. It sounds cool. They are the current 2x award-winner for Rock Station of the Year. I checked and 1278 is 3AW. Also, my friend that'll be joining here shortly will be given a LOT of AM Stereo brochures to scan from the '80s to upload including a bonus: Kahn PowerSide Literature from when they claimed: "When we win the AM stereo marketplace...." Have I whetted your appetite? More on the way! Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Sep 03 09:35:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 3 Sep 2002 16:35:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 70826 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 16:35:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2002 16:35:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11701.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 16:35:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20020903163553.28716.qmail@web11701.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.36.237] by web11701.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 09:35:53 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 09:35:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ham roundtable To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <008001c25360$9df01d00$2c8e1f40@FatMusic2000> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I have seen both studios and if WFOY is NOT over at WAOC yet, then why is the WAOC morning show being run out of the WJQR studio? If WAOC is still using its studio for itself and NOT WFOY, then why are they even in the FM room? This is weird. Parky's last name is Boone. I think his son Bob is there at WAOC. He & I worked together at WFOY back in 1999 and he became my TV teacher at Flagler College later that year. He's cool. He used to do something with Y-100 in Miami a long time ago. I think he was a D.J. there. Jay P.S.: Parky started and co-owned WHMS/92.1-Hialeah, Fl. (I think in 1968 or 1969. They were a Beautiful Music station) which is now WCMQ-FM/92.3 in the Miami market. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From mychucky@funport.net Tue Sep 03 11:05:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mychucky@funport.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 3 Sep 2002 18:05:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 69380 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 18:05:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2002 18:05:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.funport.com) (216.199.19.6) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 18:05:11 -0000 Received: from FatMusic2000 ([]) by mail.funport.com (Merak 5.0.2) with SMTP id JFB36580 for ; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 14:01:07 -0400 Message-ID: <008f01c25374$8d1c0250$2c8e1f40@FatMusic2000> To: References: <20020903163553.28716.qmail@web11701.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ham roundtable Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 14:05:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85836819 X-Yahoo-Profile: mychucky1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As if I owe anyone an explanation here is why the morning show is run from the WJQR which is now the WYGV Studios. and fed to the AM studio and what will happen when the new transmitter is installed for WAOC. The Smartcaster has 16 inputs WFOY will need all Sixteen. It is in the WAOC Studio on air .......soon to be the WFOY Studio The Phantom Automation is in the WYGV studio but has all the morning show bits in it left over form the WJQR days and is not now a part of the WXGV / WYGV air chain. It was faster to wire the WAOC Smartcaster to Real Country and leave it there for WFOYS use later. Rather than move it. Then just feed the Fm console/board (already wired) to the console at 6am to 10 then turn up the pot for the Smartcaster at 10am and turn off the feed from the FM. The existing FM station is fed from an STL receiver listening to the Network feed from where I am in Jacksonville unless you switch the switch to local console the FM studio can be used for anything.....production ect and or a morning show. In the near future When the new WAOC transmitter is installed it will be fed from the Phantom after it is programmed for Real Country, then hooked up to the WAOC transmitter what ever it will be. Then the Smartcaster will be used for WFOY in the WAOC Studio which then becomes the WFOY studio.to the old MW1 set at 500 watts 24/7. The only Studio WAOC will have is in the Morning in / from the FM studio directly into the Phantom Automaton like a network. It will sit in the corner and be a RadioStation in a box. Jock in a box ect. the rest of the day. At the present time the Morning show is fed to AM console as stated above . Later the phantom will switch like it does for networks to the console so the operator can do his show then at 10am it will switch to Real country. I worked all this out as the most cost effective way of keeping all on the air with NO down time for switchovers other than when the transmitters are jerked out, cant help that. . Plus the fact that the morning man "Mark Majors" has never learned to use the smartcaster and the Phantom was already in the FM room wired to the console made it a no brainier when they called me on Thursday and wanted the morning show on Monday morning and Real Country on the NEXT day. So there is the logic and the practical application of the changing topography at the MondoSphere Exosphere Palatial Radio slumlord estate complex in Metropolitan St. Augustine Florida. Are you confused now, I hope so. I call it Job Security. Regards chuck PS the real reason I did this is because Doug is sooooooo cheap it was the only way I could do it to keep him from crying over the bill. but he still complained. that it took over 8 hours to program the Smartcaster because I had to play program director and get all the clocks form the network and program in all the liners and psa's then show his people how to make logs ect...........8 hours was cheap ----- Original Message ----- From: JNR To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 12:35 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ham roundtable I have seen both studios and if WFOY is NOT over at WAOC yet, then why is the WAOC morning show being run out of the WJQR studio? If WAOC is still using its studio for itself and NOT WFOY, then why are they even in the FM room? This is weird. Parky's last name is Boone. I think his son Bob is there at WAOC. He & I worked together at WFOY back in 1999 and he became my TV teacher at Flagler College later that year. He's cool. He used to do something with Y-100 in Miami a long time ago. I think he was a D.J. there. Jay P.S.: Parky started and co-owned WHMS/92.1-Hialeah, Fl. (I think in 1968 or 1969. They were a Beautiful Music station) which is now WCMQ-FM/92.3 in the Miami market. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT I'm a Woman Man seeking a Man Woman Enter city or ZIP Age: to Show only ads with photos Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From meridian3891@cs.com Tue Sep 03 12:34:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: meridian3891@cs.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 3 Sep 2002 19:34:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 45053 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 19:34:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2002 19:34:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 19:34:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2002 19:34:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 19:34:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Still Offending... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 518 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "onemeridian" X-Originating-IP: 205.166.36.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=48487815 X-Yahoo-Profile: onemeridian BTW, how is Alex? Tony --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > > P.S. will somebody reading this PLEASE remove WTTM from the > > Offenders of the Faith List... > > That's on Alex's old site which we have no control over. > > I'm thinking about removing the link on www.AMStereoRadio.com to Alex's page because it is getting so out of date. Or, maybe only linking to certain parts of it, like his big long commentary page, or the information on Japan-only AM Stereo radios. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Sep 03 13:33:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 3 Sep 2002 20:33:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 38135 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 20:33:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2002 20:33:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14202.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.144) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 20:33:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20020903203310.38611.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 13:33:10 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 13:33:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Which Chrysler has AMS? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Christopher Cuff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Does anybody remember if one, or both of these Chrysler radios have AM Stereo? Model # RBB or # RBN ? They both had a 3 level EQ, but I'm thinking one of these isn't AMS. Anybody remember? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From KC4QLP@aol.com Tue Sep 03 14:00:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 3 Sep 2002 21:00:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 77233 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 21:00:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2002 21:00:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r05.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.101) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 21:00:20 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.c8.2c6a86d3 (3842) for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 17:00:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 17:00:00 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Was ham roundtable, turned into Jay's radio manifesto chapter 6 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 9/3/02 12:26:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, a1asurfradio@yahoo.com writes: << Let me get this straight: the CE was told to modulate to 120% in mono so they could overcome interference? Isn't AMS allowed 125% or is that just the F.C.C.'s rule? Interference: of course they're going to be interfered with! >> 125% max peak is the rule for any AM BC station ,mono or stereo in the eyes of the FCC. What type of interference is this station suppose to be suffering from? If its power lines,raising the modualation from say 100% to an addtional 25% for 125% isnt going to make a hill of beans .If its interference from a splattering station on an adjactent channel....the modulation level isnt going to make that much of a difference either except to throw interference towards the offending station....so you accomplish nothing. Yes the station will be louder and you'll have some room to work with for signal to noise ratio...but the bottom line is,if your signal isnt present to begin with...increasing the modulation isnt suddenly going to make your station twice as strong. If its poer lines that are causing a problem,get with you local power company and explain the problem...most cases someone will work with you. If not,remind them of their FCC obligations to power line noise radiation. If its a station causing problems....either the other station is over modulating...get with their engineer on that one,or your signal is just simply weak....not much you can do there unless your weak where your suppose to be stronger...then in that case start your wild goose chase with the grounding system and if its a DA ...make sure everything is operating up to par Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Sep 03 14:33:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 3 Sep 2002 21:33:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 15079 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 21:33:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2002 21:33:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 21:33:48 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn18.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.22]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:33:47 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} 1240 KEVA Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:33:45 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <019601c252cf$d4eb6620$d3a9fea9@me> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the compliments guys. I may sometime soon wire into the board and get some audio right off of the air monitor....then it'll REALLY knock your socks off. What you heard is just plain audio from my Sony SRF-42 walkman :) You can just IMAGINE how good the air monitor sounds! That's why I was so excited about being able to actually do a board shift on an AM STEREO station with a genuine Motorola C-Quam modulation monitor! It is AWESOME! :) MJR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Sep 03 14:43:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 3 Sep 2002 21:43:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 7537 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 21:43:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2002 21:43:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11704.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 21:43:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20020903214354.22279.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.32.92] by web11704.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 14:43:54 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 14:43:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ham roundtable To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <008f01c25374$8d1c0250$2c8e1f40@FatMusic2000> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Is WAOC/WFOY still using the Dualux80? What about that Collins 212-S1 board they were using. Please tell me they're switching to slide pots. It doesn't sound like the station will even reach 1980 in terms of technology. Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Sep 03 17:21:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 4 Sep 2002 00:21:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 52222 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2002 00:21:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2002 00:21:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2002 00:21:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2002 00:21:22 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 00:21:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Which Chrysler has AMS? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020903203310.38611.qmail@web14202.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1792 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Does anybody remember if one, or both of these Chrysler radios have > AM Stereo? > Model # RBB or # RBN ? They both had a 3 level EQ, but I'm > thinking one of these isn't AMS. Anybody remember? I know the 5-band EQ version of the RBN radio has AM Stereo, as shown in the Radios section of the http://www.AMStereoRadio.com web site, but I'm not sure about a version with a 3-band EQ, or the RBB radio. The 1993+ Chrysler radios with 5-band EQ use the very high quality AMAX certified auto-variable-bandwidth tuner based on the MC13022 chip. Along with the GM/Delco AMAX certified radios it is one of the highest quality types of AM Stereo car radio ever made. It tunes up to 1710 kHz and with the automatically variable bandwidth you'll get the best possible audio quality *and* selectivity from both strong and weak signals. I think *some* Chrysler radios with 3-band EQ may have been made with this AMAX Stereo tuner design, but chances are it will either be plain mono, or the regular AM Stereo tuner (used in the CD/Cassette combo "RAZ" radio) which uses a fixed narrow bandwidth (still better than what you'd get from a typical AM mono car radio, but not as good as AMAX). If you're in the mood for eBay, here is one of the "Infinity Gold" Chrysler AMAX AM Stereo/FM Stereo/Cassette radios with 5-band EQ and speaker "joystick" control -- one of the nicest AM Stereo radios you could ever put in your car, if your dashboard fits the larger Chrysler/GM radio size and you prefer cassettes (a CD version was also made): http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1377886282 The picture shown is small; you can get a bigger picture of the same radio on the Radios page of http://www.AMStereoRadio.com Current bid price is $34.99 with 4 days left. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Sep 03 17:30:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 4 Sep 2002 00:30:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 17782 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2002 00:30:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2002 00:30:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2002 00:30:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2002 00:30:00 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 00:29:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1240 KEVA Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 942 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > What you heard is just plain audio from my Sony SRF-42 walkman :) > You can just IMAGINE how good the air monitor sounds! THAT is only from a lousy little SRF-42?? Hot damn, I would have never known! You must have the magic touch, because I've never heard C-Quam Stereo audio so *clean*-sounding out of a SRF-42. It usually has a narrower audio response and a bit of noticeable distortion, due to its 6 kHz ceramic filter and lack of true C-Quam decoding. I can only guess that you had it placed within close enough proximity to KEVA's transmitter that the RF field was enough to overcome the Sony's ceramic filter. I've noticed this effect with my own "Alfredo Lite" transmitter -- if you bring an average "muffled" AM radio close enough to where the RF is really strong, the audio response will "open up" because the RF field is strong enough to bypass whatever filtering the radio may use to provide a narrow bandwidth. From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Sep 03 18:30:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 4 Sep 2002 01:30:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 35499 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2002 01:30:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2002 01:30:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2002 01:30:53 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-56.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.56]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g841QiDS013740 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 20:26:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <006901c253b2$cc412260$d3a9fea9@me> To: Subject: OT- Fw: [CRTech] Mics, Mixers, and Phantom Power Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 20:31:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Saw this on the CRTech forum and thought some of you would enjoy it. :) ST > > ----- Original Message ----- > > Glen Kippel > > KHCS > > Palm Desert, CA > > > > To err is human; to forgive, divine. However, neither of these is > > company policy. > > > From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Sep 03 18:35:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 4 Sep 2002 01:35:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 2847 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2002 01:35:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2002 01:35:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2002 01:35:29 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-56.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.56]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g841VLDS014845 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 20:31:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <007701c253b3$711750c0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020902234023.56990.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> <002401c25354$c92441b0$2c8e1f40@FatMusic2000> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ham roundtable Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 20:36:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Gates BC-5 what? I know those old Gates 5kW sets- P, H, etc. were pretty easy stereo conversions as they had inheritantly low IPM. I'd love to take it off their hands if I didn't live so stinking far away. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: > so that they can move the Old WAOC GATES BC5 out which will make room for the new transmitter that WF"OY says it is buying..... From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Sep 03 18:38:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 4 Sep 2002 01:38:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 11253 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2002 01:38:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2002 01:38:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2002 01:38:20 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g841c4Ik058750 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 21:38:04 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3D75633C.29985E46@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 21:34:52 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ham roundtable References: <20020903163553.28716.qmail@web11701.mail.yahoo.com> <008f01c25374$8d1c0250$2c8e1f40@FatMusic2000> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Ok Chuck so when should I start to drive down to take away that Junker AM transmitter For amateur use. I don't charge to remove the Old junker LOL... the cost of fuel from NJ to Fla and back.. he could charge Me for the transmitter or I can send him the Fuel Bill.. and we will call it Even.... ROFLMAO.. Neal. mychucky@funport.net wrote: > As if I owe anyone an explanation here is why the morning show is run from the WJQR which is now the WYGV Studios. and fed to the AM studio and what will happen when the new transmitter is installed for WAOC. > > The Smartcaster has 16 inputs WFOY will need all Sixteen. It is in the WAOC Studio on air .......soon to be the WFOY Studio > > The Phantom Automation is in the WYGV studio but has all the morning show bits in it left over form the WJQR days and is not now a part of > the WXGV / WYGV air chain. > > It was faster to wire the WAOC Smartcaster to Real Country and leave it there for WFOYS use later. Rather than move it. Then just feed > the Fm console/board (already wired) to the console at 6am to 10 then turn up the pot for the Smartcaster at 10am and turn off the feed from the FM. > The existing FM station is fed from an STL receiver listening to the Network feed from where I am in Jacksonville > unless you switch the switch to local console the FM studio can be used for anything.....production ect and or a morning show. > > In the near future When the new WAOC transmitter is installed it will be fed from the Phantom after it is programmed for Real Country, then hooked up to the WAOC transmitter what ever it will be. > > Then the Smartcaster will be used for WFOY in the WAOC Studio which then becomes the WFOY studio.to the old MW1 set at 500 watts 24/7. > > The only Studio WAOC will have is in the Morning in / from the FM studio directly into the Phantom Automaton like a network. > It will sit in the corner and be a RadioStation in a box. Jock in a box ect. the rest of the day. > > At the present time the Morning show is fed to AM console as stated above > . > Later the phantom will switch like it does for networks to the console so the operator can do his show then at 10am it will switch to > Real country. > I worked all this out as the most cost effective way of keeping all on the air with NO down time for switchovers other than when the transmitters > are jerked out, cant help that. > . > Plus the fact that the morning man "Mark Majors" has never learned to use the smartcaster and the Phantom was already in the FM room wired to the console made it a no brainier when they called me on Thursday and wanted the morning show on Monday morning and Real Country on the NEXT day. > So there is the logic and the practical application of the changing topography at the MondoSphere Exosphere Palatial Radio slumlord estate complex in Metropolitan St. Augustine Florida. > > Are you confused now, I hope so. I call it Job Security. > > Regards > chuck > > PS the real reason I did this is because Doug is sooooooo cheap it was the only way I could do it to keep him from crying over the bill. > but he still complained. that it took over 8 hours to program the Smartcaster because I had to play program director and get all the clocks form the network and program in all the liners and psa's then show his people how to make logs ect...........8 hours was cheap > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: JNR > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 12:35 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ham roundtable > > I have seen both studios and if WFOY is NOT over > at WAOC yet, then why is the WAOC morning show > being run out of the WJQR studio? If WAOC is > still using its studio for itself and NOT WFOY, > then why are they even in the FM room? This is > weird. > > Parky's last name is Boone. I think his son Bob > is there at WAOC. He & I worked together at WFOY > back in 1999 and he became my TV teacher at > Flagler College later that year. He's cool. He > used to do something with Y-100 in Miami a long > time ago. I think he was a D.J. there. > > Jay > > P.S.: Parky started and co-owned > WHMS/92.1-Hialeah, Fl. (I think in 1968 or 1969. > They were a Beautiful Music station) which is now > WCMQ-FM/92.3 in the Miami market. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > I'm a Woman Man seeking a Man Woman > Enter city or ZIP > Age: to > Show only ads with photos > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Sep 03 18:41:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 4 Sep 2002 01:41:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 15888 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2002 01:41:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2002 01:41:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2002 01:41:06 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-56.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.56]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g841awDS016113 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 20:36:59 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <009701c253b4$3a01a440$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <17.2dca6b59.2aa639f6@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ham roundtable Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 20:41:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude If Cris Alexander can do stereo on a 1220/1340 diplex, 1240 and 1420 should be a snap. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: > In a message dated 9/3/02 11:41:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > a1asurfradio@yahoo.com writes: > > << I know > 1240 and 1420 will diplex off of 1420's tower > (which I THINK is a ½-wave) with 1240 having > their signal go along a "skirt" I think it's > called. Is stereo possible this way? If so, he > could do BOTH stations. >> > Its very possible to run stereo on a duplexed station. The only issue you may > have is bandwidth...it might restrict the audio bandpass of the two stations > to a degree....but it should work ok though > From KC4QLP@aol.com Tue Sep 03 18:43:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 4 Sep 2002 01:43:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 63676 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2002 01:43:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2002 01:43:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.4) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2002 01:43:07 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.15b.138923ee (30960) for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 21:43:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <15b.138923ee.2aa6bf25@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 21:43:01 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1050 CHUM Not Stereo...? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 9/3/02 10:55:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, michaelj@vcn.com writes: << The CRL processor actually has separate trimmer pots for L+R and L-R. So I've tried tweaking up the L-R to increase the separation. If I try to push it too much I get some distortion and some negative modulation. So I have to watch it. >> You have to watch how much you bring up the L-R or you'll get a canceling effect for people listening with mono radios.By turning the L-R up to much will cause the distortion and negative modulation. Try it sometime while listening with a stereo radio...get everything adjusted for great separation...then switch to mono. Any song with vocals....lol ..you have just created the ultimate 1kw karaoke! LOL I found the best way to gain better separation is to adjust the equalization setting on the exciter and the CRL processor.If you have the SEC 800 that has a 4 band equalizer,you'll be able to better tailor the sound of the station for better clarity. As far as the RF drive that you have...you should be ok in that area and I wouldnt do anything there. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Sep 03 18:50:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 4 Sep 2002 01:50:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 99144 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2002 01:50:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2002 01:50:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2002 01:50:50 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn18.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.22]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:50:50 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} 1050 CHUM Not Stereo...? Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:50:46 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <15b.138923ee.2aa6bf25@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Bob! Yeah...good old L-R....or in laiman's terms....the "karaoke version"!!! he he he :) Yeah I didn't push it THAT far. I use the meter on the modulation monitor and adjust the L+R on the CRL AM Stereo Matrix Processor and adjust it for maximum modulation (about 110% 115% or so) and THEN adjust the L-R as high as I can get it until the negative peak light starts lighting on the exciter. Then back it down just a touch. That way I know I'm getting as much L-R into the signal as I can. At that point, there's still plenty of L+R for all those mono listeners too. Plus the exciter has ITS own L+R level pot on the front. I really wish the equalization section of the exciter was working. If I don't want any level changes and popping and not to mention...the left channel section of it is out......I have to leave all the switches in the "out" position. I'd kinda rather do that since this is as stable as I've had it since I started this. Otherwise I end up EQ-ing only one channel when I use the switches or I get level "spikes" where it'll jump up for a split second and then back down and so forth. Honestly, with just the processing coming from the CRL processors, there's plenty of separation for everyone :) Will definitely have to get some air checks right off of the monitor for everyone to enjoy. Now THAT'S good-sounding AM! MJR -----Original Message----- From: KC4QLP@aol.com [mailto:KC4QLP@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 7:43 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1050 CHUM Not Stereo...? In a message dated 9/3/02 10:55:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, michaelj@vcn.com writes: << The CRL processor actually has separate trimmer pots for L+R and L-R. So I've tried tweaking up the L-R to increase the separation. If I try to push it too much I get some distortion and some negative modulation. So I have to watch it. >> You have to watch how much you bring up the L-R or you'll get a canceling effect for people listening with mono radios.By turning the L-R up to much will cause the distortion and negative modulation. Try it sometime while listening with a stereo radio...get everything adjusted for great separation...then switch to mono. Any song with vocals....lol ..you have just created the ultimate 1kw karaoke! LOL I found the best way to gain better separation is to adjust the equalization setting on the exciter and the CRL processor.If you have the SEC 800 that has a 4 band equalizer,you'll be able to better tailor the sound of the station for better clarity. As far as the RF drive that you have...you should be ok in that area and I wouldnt do anything there. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Sep 03 18:51:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 4 Sep 2002 01:51:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 26559 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2002 01:51:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2002 01:51:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2002 01:51:25 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g841p8Ik061483 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 21:51:09 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3D75664C.377676C5@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 21:47:56 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTM QSL's References: <3D726290.1192E78F@skyweb.net> <000e01c251ed$77373140$0101a8c0@pavilion> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Well Guys I finally picked up the QSL Certificates from the Printers today and I'm sitting here listening On 3.930.... Filling them Out... Neal-ka2caf WTTM From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Sep 03 18:53:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 4 Sep 2002 01:53:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 37459 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2002 01:53:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2002 01:53:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2002 01:53:28 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-56.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.56]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g841nJDS018697 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 20:49:21 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00eb01c253b5$f408d240$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Which Chrysler has AMS? Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 20:54:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Really? I've got one that uses a surface-mount version of the13020. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevtronics" > The 1993+ Chrysler radios with 5-band EQ use the very high quality > AMAX certified auto-variable-bandwidth tuner based on the MC13022 > chip. From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Sep 03 19:00:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 4 Sep 2002 02:00:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 85099 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2002 02:00:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2002 02:00:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2002 02:00:14 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-56.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.56]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g841u6DS020096 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 20:56:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <011501c253b6$e62a99a0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <018b01c252cd$79c19be0$d3a9fea9@me> <5.1.0.14.0.20010903105224.02618778@pop.esatclear.ie> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Optimod Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 21:00:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I'll second that notion. There's an engineer from Chicago that goes through the MSP area rather often since he's married a gal from St. Cloud, MN. He was the first to notice when KKMS wasn't sounding all that good. I hadn't noticed it since the change was gradual, but got the old KYCR 9100B fixed (the one that survived the fire) and put that in the racks. Next time he came through he complemented me on how much louder and better we sounded than even the mighty 830-WCCO. Will get the KKMS unit repaired early next year so I can retire that 9200 we put into KYCR. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Linton" > A well set-up Optimod-AM will not sound dull and lifeless, it will sound > open, clear and loud. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Sep 03 19:02:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 4 Sep 2002 02:02:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 15801 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2002 02:02:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2002 02:02:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2002 02:02:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2002 02:02:53 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 02:02:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT: NTSC vs. PAL video Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3123 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics This is off-topic, although not completely, since color TV video is broadcast using what can be considered "C-QUAM", just like AM Stereo, because it is Quadrature AM and it is Compatible with black & white sets.... After exchanging my $50 Apex DVD player at Circuit City for an older revision of the same model which can play Video CDs (if you're interested in the Apex AD-1200, make sure it has the "Compact Disc Digital Video" logo on the box!), I am pleased to discover that it will play most of my Video CDs with no trouble. (This older revision also has a "hidden" menu which lets you bypass DVD Region Codes and turn off the Macrovision copy protection -- heh heh!) Since Video CDs are almost exclusively used outside of North America, the vast majority of them are encoded as the PAL color video format, instead of the American NTSC format. Any VCD/DVD player will convert video between PAL and NTSC automatically, but I prefer true PAL video because it provides a sharper picture with better resolution. Any TV set or monitor designed for TV-type signals (Composite, S-Video, or Component) in North America is built for the NTSC system. But... they will also show PAL video, *if* they have a *manual* V-Hold control. Automatic V-Hold will not synch up to the PAL video and you'll get a continuously rolling image. The other catch is that the color carrier is on a different frequency, so the PAL video will show up as black & white on an NTSC monitor. The point of all this is that I discovered that an average North American VCR will is actually "multi-system", with the ability to record and play back both NTSC and PAL video, even though this feature is not advertised! I tried it on my own Toshiba VCR and even within the same recording session it will flip back and forth between NTSC and PAL with no trouble. In PAL mode, even the VCR's own on-screen displays will be shown correctly. The VHS "Hi-Fi Stereo" sound will work the same regardless of what video format is being used. I'm just a bit surprised because I was led to believe that a special (and *expensive*) "multi-system" VCR was necessary in order to record and play PAL video. However, I may be missing some of the technical details involved with this because I have an Atari ST computer that supports both NTSC and PAL, and the interesting thing is that it will display PAL in *true color* on an NTSC-type monitor, even though other sources of PAL video (such as my VCD/DVD player) will only show as black & white. I guess I should consult my "World Radio/TV Handbook"... if you think having four different AM Stereo systems in the 1980s was confusing enough, take a look at all the different TV broadcasting formats used today! There must be at least a dozen of them, using variations of NTSC, PAL, and SECAM (the French/Russian system) color. You should be so lucky that you can take an AM Stereo radio all around the world with the only difference being 9 or 10 kHz channel spacing -- making a truly universal TV or VCR is very complex, and that's why they are so rare and expensive! From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Sep 03 19:52:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 4 Sep 2002 02:52:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 30633 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2002 02:52:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2002 02:52:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2002 02:52:49 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g842qVIk075391; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 22:52:32 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3D7574AF.DB07F28A@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 22:49:19 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "ABDX@topica.com" , "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Best QSL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 hey Guys 10:30pm still sitting on 3.930 filling out QSL Certificates.. and Just noticed a few things... Received a report From a guy not really far away in PA... a fellow Ham and Member of the National radio club.... Checking dates from when we first went on the air. His was the First report into me... so in actuality his QSL Certificate would be #1 But Im not Numbering the Certificates. or should I ??? The Best part is His postal Zip Code 16801 and he is Correct with that Zip code 1680 is #1 LOL... Neal From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Sep 03 20:51:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 4 Sep 2002 03:51:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 8477 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2002 03:51:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2002 03:51:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2002 03:51:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2002 03:51:58 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 03:51:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1050 CHUM Not Stereo...? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2916 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > and THEN adjust the L-R as high as I can get it until the negative > peak light starts lighting on the exciter. Then back it down just > a touch. That way I know I'm getting as much L-R into the signal > as I can. The key to high fidelity sound is to *not* adjust the L-R level for the maximum you can get it without overmodulating, but rather to adjust it to where it provides the most *accurate* Stereo reproduction. Boosting the L-R level up to a certain point *will* increase the Stereo separation. However, if you boost the L-R too much, the Left and Right channels actually start blending back into each other *out of phase*, so that this will actually *reduce* Stereo separation. It will sound more "spacey", and on most modern music you won't really notice the difference, but on a older '60s song with very distinct left-to-right Stereo separation (Beatles, Four Seasons, Herb Alpert, etc. etc.) you will notice that the voices and instruments that are supposed to be *only* in one channel will start blending into the other channel if you boost the L-R too much. The ideal would be to continuously keep the L-R level at just before the point where this effect begins, so that the Stereo separation is always at its widest and *most accurate* level. This is exactly how AM Stereo's Matrix Processing can be used to its full advantage! Virtually any audio processor can compress and limit the L+R and L-R components individually, but the key is to keep this compression in proper relation to both components. Fancy, expensive processors like the Optimod 9100 and Omnia seem to do this best, but with proper and careful adjustment, there is no reason why other AM Stereo audio processors can do the same excellent job of providing the best possible Stereo sound, without affecting the listenability of the audio for Mono receivers. As for the audio equalization, the FCC rules for AM Stereo stations state that the L+R and L-R components must both conform to the NRSC 75-uS pre-emphasis standard. However, whatever type of audio response manipulation that is provided by the audio processing *before* the pre-emphasis is up to a station's individual preference. Some stations may feel the need to boost the low bass and high treble in order to make up for the poor audio response of most "ordinary" AM radios, while others have their processing adjusted for the highest fidelity possible on a true wide bandwidth AMAX-compliant receiver (I would definitely include KABL and KEVA in this group, just by listening to them). All in all, it is a matter of compromise. I say set it up to get it sounding the absolutely best it possibly can on your studio monitor (which represents the "perfect" receiver), and then work from there in order to "tweak" it for improved sound on "real-world" radios, ranging from a $10 K-Mart clock radio to a $500 Carver TX-11a. From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Sep 03 21:14:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 4 Sep 2002 04:14:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 10676 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2002 04:14:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2002 04:14:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2002 04:14:27 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g844ECIk093576 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 00:14:12 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3D7587D0.7B7B8AB5@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 00:10:56 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Subject: question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 to the Rocket scientists in this group. I need a really good freeware automation software. to experiment with. to Play the ID and Ad's On the hour and 30 Mins later.. I Just cannot afford another Smartcaster..which BTW is driving Me nuts with the PC ANYWHERE garbage... wish I could just use the Smarts software in any old Computer laying around here. One thing about Volunteer Hosts..... I cannot get them to do anything On time.. Its a free For all..... Going Bald really fast. Neal From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Sep 03 21:46:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 4 Sep 2002 04:46:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 14967 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2002 04:46:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2002 04:46:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2002 04:46:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2002 04:46:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 04:46:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Which Chrysler has AMS? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00eb01c253b5$f408d240$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 616 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.79.27 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Really? I've got one that uses a surface-mount version of the > 13020. If it is a newer model (1994+) with Expanded Band tuning then it should have the MC13022 chip because the MC13020 does not support all of its advanced features -- auto-variable bandwidth depending on signal strength, Stereo Blend on weak signals, near-instant transition to Stereo mode on strong signals (with the "ST" light actually going on a split-second AFTER it enters Stereo mode!), reduced Cosine Compensation on weak signals for clean Stereo sound, etc. These features are all provided internally within the MC13022 chip. From KC4QLP@aol.com Tue Sep 03 22:00:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 4 Sep 2002 05:00:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 55663 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2002 05:00:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2002 05:00:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d09.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2002 05:00:08 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.111.17c6f264 (30960) for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 01:00:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <111.17c6f264.2aa6ed52@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 01:00:02 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} question To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 9/4/02 12:15:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, groucho@skyweb.net writes: << to the Rocket scientists in this group. I need a really good freeware automation software. to experiment with. to Play the ID and Ad's On the hour and 30 Mins later.. I Just cannot afford another Smartcaster..which BTW is driving Me nuts with the PC ANYWHERE garbage... wish I could just use the Smarts software in any old Computer laying around here. One thing about Volunteer Hosts..... I cannot get them to do anything On time.. Its a free For all..... Going Bald really fast. Neal >> Hey Neal ... A friend of mine in Richmond Va wrote a niffty automation program....and I've seen it in action at WPEX- 90.9 Kenbridge/Blackstone Va ...it works real well and is very reliable.It is in use 24/7 Best of all its available for free download with unlimited use. AutoMax Home Page There's several screen shots and some info about the software...so you can figure out if it will fit the bill before downloading. Let me know how well it works out for you. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Tue Sep 03 22:19:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 4 Sep 2002 05:19:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 74814 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2002 05:19:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2002 05:19:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2002 05:19:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2002 05:19:54 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 05:19:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Optimod Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010903105224.02618778@pop.esatclear.ie> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3636 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 141.157.199.157 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio My problem with Optimod is that it doesn't give you enough control over what you want to do. The Omnia, on the other hand, does. The user has control over all the timing constants of the multiband compressors and limiters. For those (like myself) who don't like oversimplified (the less/more knob) it is a blessing! Plus stereo! --- In amstereoforum@y..., Andy Linton wrote: > At 01:24 03/09/2002 +0000, you wrote: > > > >However, if you let a certain amount of "pumping" through, then the > >"effect" of these sounds can still be heard within the narrow audio > >range of a cheap AM radio. It may come out as an unelegant "pop" > >type of noise, but you can at least hear SOME hint of the bass and > >percussion that you would normally be missing entirely. Also, to > >some degree, "pumping" sounds "natural" and is *expected* by the > >listener. > > I have to disagree on this one Kevin! > > Pumping does not sound natural - where, in nature, do you hear the the > presence of one set of frequencies affecting the amplitude of all others? > Nowhere! Pumping is nothing more than an artifact of wideband limiting and > poor audio processing. It happens because music naturally contains more > energy at low frequencies than high, and these sounds cause the compressor > to duck more than it would if it was just dealing with the non- bass > frequencies. > > However with complex audio processing techniques, undesirable pumping can > be removed (largely by use of multiband limiting) but the dynamic sound of > the audio can be retained. > > I don't agree than it is expected by listeners - studies have shown that a > pumpy sound is fatiguing to the listener. > > > In fact, it is very common on TV audio -- just listen when > >people start clapping or talking over background music. > > Yes that's true, but only because somewhere in the audio chain is a > wideband limiter. TV stations usually have processors on transmission, for > example an Optimod-TV, but the production companies also use limiters, and > often not very complex ones. > > A well set-up Optimod-AM will not sound dull and lifeless, it will sound > open, clear and loud. The bass, although limited, will also still be > evident because the brain 'expects' to hear those notes in certain > circumstances, and will subconciously 'replace' the sound it's not actually > hearing. Psycho-acoustics is a very complicated science. > > >So, chances are if you encounter an AM music station that sounds > >fantastic on a wide-bandwidth receiver, but sounds especially dull > >and flat on a cheap narrow-bandwidth radio, then they're probably > >using an Optimod and not straying too far away from Orban's > >recommended "pumping-free" settings. > > No, that's the result of actually being able to hear more of the frequency > range from the good radio. > > However, if the station is thrashing it's audio to bits with over use of > the multiband limiters and clippers, and by attenuating highs and lows on > purpose, in order to achieve maximum loudness and density (as, I'm afraid, > some do) then it will sound squashed and dull on a narrowband receiver, > whereas a wideband radio will still reproduce what little is left of the > bass and treble. > > A properly set up Optimod AM can sound fantastic! However, of course, the > set up is down to the operator of the unit! > > Best, > > > > > > > > > > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Sep 03 22:22:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 4 Sep 2002 05:22:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 77094 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2002 05:22:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2002 05:22:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2002 05:22:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2002 05:22:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 05:22:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1240 KEVA Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1083 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.139 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > > I can only guess that you had it placed within close enough proximity > to KEVA's transmitter that the RF field was enough to overcome the > Sony's ceramic filter. I've noticed this effect with my own "Alfredo > Lite" transmitter -- if you bring an average "muffled" AM radio close > enough to where the RF is really strong, the audio response will > "open up" because the RF field is strong enough to bypass whatever > filtering the radio may use to provide a narrow bandwidth. This may be a characteristic of the ceramic filter as these filters are usually the synchronous type for minimum phase distortion which is necessary for good stereo decoding. The following was stated in a 1991 muRata catalog about these filters. "With the amplitude characteristic for the Gaussian type being curved in the passband, the bandwidth becomes narrow at a low input level and sensitivity is poor." It would stand to reason that the stronger the signal going onto the ceramic filter the wider the bandwidth. JSG From jsgil@hal-pc.org Tue Sep 03 23:28:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 4 Sep 2002 06:28:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 87628 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2002 06:28:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2002 06:28:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2002 06:28:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2002 06:28:12 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 06:28:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT: NTSC vs. PAL video Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2406 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.34 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "kevtronics" wrote: > This is off-topic, although not completely, since color TV video is > broadcast using what can be considered "C-QUAM", just like AM Stereo, > because it is Quadrature AM and it is Compatible with black & white > sets.... > Just to add my 2cents about NTSC, there is no cosine correction to maintain monochrome compatibility and the color sub-carrier uses plain suppressed carrier QuAM with a phase that rolates a full 360deg whereas the FCC only allows C-QuAM to deviate to +/-72deg on heavy single channel modulation. The compatibility occurs because the color sub-carrier frequency is an odd multiple of 1/2 the horizontal frequency. A video signal is composed of clusters of energy spaced 15.734KHz(horizontal freq.) apart and there is more space between these clusters than what the clusters take up. This allowed the color signal to be interleaved into the B&W signal causing the chroma phase to be alternated every other line in relation to the Luma signal and from a distance this effect tends to blend together. To a monochrome set if there is no comb filter and the Luma extends past 3MHz then it will show up as a diagonal dot crawl pattern. On some cheaper color sets you can notice this dot crawl on the diagonal edges of the image where there is a color change. I set up a web page awhile back for info on NTSC http://www.hal-pc.org/~jsgil/ntsc The major difference between NTSC and PAL besides the different vertical and color frequencies is that they alternate the phase of the R-Y vector of the chroma signal every other line, hence the name "Phase Alternated Line". This was done to compensate for phase errors that NTSC had in its early days. With today's chroma decoders phase accuracy is excellent and the need to alternate the phase is unnecessary and with a good 3 line comb filter complete Luma Chroma separation can occur whereas in PAL the R-Y and the Luma are in phase with each other because this phase alteration undoes the natural out of phase Luma Chroma characteristic that NTSC has. SECAM is completely different when it comes to the chroma. R-Y is transmitted on one scan line and and B-Y is transmitted on the other scan line. The 2 chroma signals take turns in transmitting and a delay line of one horizontal line is used so both R-Y and B-Y is present for each scan line. JSG From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Sep 04 00:48:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 4 Sep 2002 07:48:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 10538 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2002 07:48:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2002 07:48:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2002 07:48:28 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.39]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 03:46:14 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01c253e7$6526fd40$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Which Chrysler has AMS? Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 03:48:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I myself have never seen an SMD 13020. Count the pins. A 13020 has 20, a 13022 has 24 All modern Chrysler ams equipped radios use the SMD MC 13022, on a separate little module under a shield, with all the parts on that little module. CC From mychucky@funport.net Wed Sep 04 07:46:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mychucky@funport.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 4 Sep 2002 14:46:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 13844 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2002 14:46:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2002 14:46:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.funport.com) (216.199.19.6) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2002 14:46:45 -0000 Received: from FatMusic2000 ([]) by mail.funport.com (Merak 5.0.2) with SMTP id JFB36580 for ; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 10:42:47 -0400 Message-ID: <001901c25422$0267e620$2c8e1f40@FatMusic2000> To: References: <20020903214354.22279.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ham roundtable Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 10:47:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85836819 X-Yahoo-Profile: mychucky1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Harris board that was in the waoc studio is 1965ish vintage and unless somebody gives Doug a board he won't spend a dime. Besidesthat both stations are going on automation so what do they need a board for other than production. ----- Original Message ----- From: JNR To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 5:43 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ham roundtable Is WAOC/WFOY still using the Dualux80? What about that Collins 212-S1 board they were using. Please tell me they're switching to slide pots. It doesn't sound like the station will even reach 1980 in terms of technology. Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT I'm a Woman Man seeking a Man Woman Enter city or ZIP Age: to Show only ads with photos Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mychucky@funport.net Wed Sep 04 08:09:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mychucky@funport.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 4 Sep 2002 15:09:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 99269 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2002 15:09:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2002 15:09:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.funport.com) (216.199.19.6) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2002 15:09:01 -0000 Received: from FatMusic2000 ([]) by mail.funport.com (Merak 5.0.2) with SMTP id JFB36580 for ; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 11:05:03 -0400 Message-ID: <003d01c25425$1e8a2bd0$2c8e1f40@FatMusic2000> To: References: <20020903163553.28716.qmail@web11701.mail.yahoo.com> <008f01c25374$8d1c0250$2c8e1f40@FatMusic2000> <3D75633C.29985E46@skyweb.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ham roundtable Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 11:09:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85836819 X-Yahoo-Profile: mychucky1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ha talk to Doug, He once had a house he wanted to tear down so he put a sign out front "Used Building Materials" "You Pick and Remove" the house was stripped of everything in a matter of weeks down to the foundation , then all he had to do was truck some fill dirt in and pour another slab. Bottom line is he wants some money for the old one. You do remember that the BC5 is in 3 cabinets and is 4 ft deep and 10 ft wide. You will need a fork lift to get it out. Good luck ----- Original Message ----- From: Neal Newman To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 9:34 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ham roundtable Ok Chuck so when should I start to drive down to take away that Junker AM transmitter For amateur use. I don't charge to remove the Old junker LOL... the cost of fuel from NJ to Fla and back.. he could charge Me for the transmitter or I can send him the Fuel Bill.. and we will call it Even.... ROFLMAO.. Neal. mychucky@funport.net wrote: > As if I owe anyone an explanation here is why the morning show is run from the WJQR which is now the WYGV Studios. and fed to the AM studio and what will happen when the new transmitter is installed for WAOC. > > The Smartcaster has 16 inputs WFOY will need all Sixteen. It is in the WAOC Studio on air .......soon to be the WFOY Studio > > The Phantom Automation is in the WYGV studio but has all the morning show bits in it left over form the WJQR days and is not now a part of > the WXGV / WYGV air chain. > > It was faster to wire the WAOC Smartcaster to Real Country and leave it there for WFOYS use later. Rather than move it. Then just feed > the Fm console/board (already wired) to the console at 6am to 10 then turn up the pot for the Smartcaster at 10am and turn off the feed from the FM. > The existing FM station is fed from an STL receiver listening to the Network feed from where I am in Jacksonville > unless you switch the switch to local console the FM studio can be used for anything.....production ect and or a morning show. > > In the near future When the new WAOC transmitter is installed it will be fed from the Phantom after it is programmed for Real Country, then hooked up to the WAOC transmitter what ever it will be. > > Then the Smartcaster will be used for WFOY in the WAOC Studio which then becomes the WFOY studio.to the old MW1 set at 500 watts 24/7. > > The only Studio WAOC will have is in the Morning in / from the FM studio directly into the Phantom Automaton like a network. > It will sit in the corner and be a RadioStation in a box. Jock in a box ect. the rest of the day. > > At the present time the Morning show is fed to AM console as stated above > . > Later the phantom will switch like it does for networks to the console so the operator can do his show then at 10am it will switch to > Real country. > I worked all this out as the most cost effective way of keeping all on the air with NO down time for switchovers other than when the transmitters > are jerked out, cant help that. > . > Plus the fact that the morning man "Mark Majors" has never learned to use the smartcaster and the Phantom was already in the FM room wired to the console made it a no brainier when they called me on Thursday and wanted the morning show on Monday morning and Real Country on the NEXT day. > So there is the logic and the practical application of the changing topography at the MondoSphere Exosphere Palatial Radio slumlord estate complex in Metropolitan St. Augustine Florida. > > Are you confused now, I hope so. I call it Job Security. > > Regards > chuck > > PS the real reason I did this is because Doug is sooooooo cheap it was the only way I could do it to keep him from crying over the bill. > but he still complained. that it took over 8 hours to program the Smartcaster because I had to play program director and get all the clocks form the network and program in all the liners and psa's then show his people how to make logs ect...........8 hours was cheap > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: JNR > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 12:35 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ham roundtable > > I have seen both studios and if WFOY is NOT over > at WAOC yet, then why is the WAOC morning show > being run out of the WJQR studio? If WAOC is > still using its studio for itself and NOT WFOY, > then why are they even in the FM room? This is > weird. > > Parky's last name is Boone. I think his son Bob > is there at WAOC. He & I worked together at WFOY > back in 1999 and he became my TV teacher at > Flagler College later that year. He's cool. He > used to do something with Y-100 in Miami a long > time ago. I think he was a D.J. there. > > Jay > > P.S.: Parky started and co-owned > WHMS/92.1-Hialeah, Fl. (I think in 1968 or 1969. > They were a Beautiful Music station) which is now > WCMQ-FM/92.3 in the Miami market. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > I'm a Woman Man seeking a Man Woman > Enter city or ZIP > Age: to > Show only ads with photos > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT I'm a Woman Man seeking a Man Woman Enter city or ZIP Age: to Show only ads with photos Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Sep 04 08:24:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 4 Sep 2002 15:24:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 5199 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2002 15:24:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2002 15:24:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14204.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.146) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2002 15:24:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20020904152423.89948.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 08:24:23 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 08:24:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Chrysler Radio Chip Numbering? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio What part number is on the MC13022 clone inside of the Chrysler radios, as I don't think that they actually use the Moto chip part number, do they? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Sep 04 14:50:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 4 Sep 2002 21:50:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 39270 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2002 21:50:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2002 21:50:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2002 21:50:34 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.128]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 17:48:23 -0400 Message-ID: <002a01c2545d$08a4b960$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <20020904152423.89948.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Chrysler Radio Chip Numbering? Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 17:36:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 The little module ones have the MC13022 number, but the full size ones have the Chrysler #, which I don't have right now... CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Johnny Electron To: Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 11:24 AM Subject: {AMSF} Chrysler Radio Chip Numbering? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Sep 04 16:59:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 4 Sep 2002 23:59:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 64785 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2002 23:59:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2002 23:59:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2002 23:59:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2002 23:59:56 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 23:59:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Semi-OT: XM audio / digital vs. analog Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3148 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics If you've wondered why the audio on XM and Sirius satellite radio sounds so glaringly poor, I've found out part of the reason why. According to a Radio World article, XM has all of their music stored on computer hard drives, as you would expect from a "digital" system. However, even with 22 terabytes of storage space -- that's over 22,500 gigabytes, or over 23,000,000 megabytes! -- guess what format they store their music in? Good ol' MP2 at 384 kbps Stereo! Given that MP3 (today's almost universal format for computerized music storage) is about 50% more efficient than the older MP2 format, this is roughly equivalent to a 256 kbps MP3 file. That might not sound so bad, and certainly although it is not *perfect*, most people would almost never be able to hear the difference between a 256 kbps MP3 or 384 kbps MP2 file and the original CD audio, but the key is that XM is "transcoding" the audio down to the 64 kbps AAC format used for the actual satellite transmission. This imposes a *significant* quality loss, because even 64 kbps AAC in its purest form is not going to sound that great, and when you use source audio that has already been MPEG-compressed, then the quality loss becomes almost exponential. Think of it as making a photocopy of a photocopy, or a copy of a video tape that is already a copy itself. I may be deluding myself, but I believe we are heading towards an "analog renaissance" of sorts. If you thought there was already enough heated debate about the imperfections of uncompressed, unprocessed CD audio, just take a look at anything relating to today's digital audio and video formats. MPEG audio (MP2/MP3, also Eureka DAB radio), AAC audio (XM & Sirius satellite radio and IBOC DAB AM & FM), MPEG video (DVD, HDTV, and Digital Cable & Satellite), digital/PCS mobile phones, digital answering machines, etc. etc. -- these systems have never been able to reach the point where their quality loss is not noticeable to even the "average" listener or viewer. If the average consumer actually got a chance to experience mature *analog* audio and video systems on equipment better than what you find at Wal-Mart clearance sales, then they will surely prefer it over most of today's digital systems. For example, there was a survey done at an electronics show, and the result was that something like 85% of people said that an ordinary analog cassette tape with Dolby S Noise Reduction sounds at least as good as, if not better than, digital CD audio. If we could do this same kind of survey comparing analog AM Stereo to digital XM/Sirus or IBOC DAB, then I have absolutely no doubt that the results will be the same, or even more favorable for our side. I thought up this slogan a while back, but I think it is applicable now more than ever: AM Stereo has the "Analog Advantage"! Anyway, we now return you to your normal Stereophonic programming... and to those who can, please keep us informed about the status of 1050 CHUM, 920 CJCH, and the other former Canadian "Team" sports stations which have reverted to music formats, in AM Stereo where available! From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Sep 04 17:43:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 5 Sep 2002 00:43:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 79582 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2002 00:43:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2002 00:43:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11708.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2002 00:43:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20020905004308.22049.qmail@web11708.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.32.92] by web11708.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 17:43:08 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 17:43:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Semi-OT: XM audio / digital vs. analog To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I've heard XM and it sounded pretty good to me. Maybe it was my friend's sound system. Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Sep 04 17:51:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 5 Sep 2002 00:51:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 89816 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2002 00:51:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2002 00:51:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2002 00:51:15 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-96.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.96]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g850l5DS028442 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 19:47:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004f01c25476$6f54d5a0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <000d01c253e7$6526fd40$0101a8c0@pavilion> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Which Chrysler has AMS? Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 19:51:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I've been debating whether or not to send this radio out to United Radio for service. Chances are the cost of repair will exceed the cost of getting a similar one from ebay. The audio amps don't work, and neither does the FM- freq. is stuck on 92.5, though I know the AM functions perfectly as I listened to the audio off the volume control with an external amp. If you'd like, I'll let you have it for the cost of shipping. It really does have an SMD 13020 which surprised the dickens out of me when I saw it. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Cuff" > I myself have never seen an SMD 13020. Count the pins. A 13020 has 20, a > 13022 has 24 > All modern Chrysler ams equipped radios use the SMD MC 13022, on a separate > little module under a shield, with all the parts on that little module. > CC From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Sep 04 20:48:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 5 Sep 2002 03:48:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 5347 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2002 03:48:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2002 03:48:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2002 03:48:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2002 03:48:43 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 03:48:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Semi-OT: XM audio / digital vs. analog Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020905004308.22049.qmail@web11708.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1050 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I've heard XM and it sounded pretty good to me. > Maybe it was my friend's sound system. Maybe if you cut off all audio above 8 kHz, XM will sound okay. That's because all of its treble response beyond the 8 kHz point is "simulated". As a result, it has a lot of high end, which to the untrained ear might sound like good treble response, but it is lacking in true "crispness", because any sound which is only present above 8 kHz in the original audio is lost. As a result, cymbals, snare drums, muted trumpets, etc. all sound dull and artificial, and high frequency sound effects such as "crystal chimes" may be missing entirely! Not that I am totally putting down XM and Sirius's audio... a lot of today's electronically produced pop/dance/rap music is rather "easy" to encode like this -- I have heard some songs that even sound surprisingly good at 32 kbps RealAudio! But, if you are familiar with the original way the songs were recorded, such as on a good CD or LP, then you will begin to notice all of the imperfections. From groucho@skyweb.net Wed Sep 04 21:35:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 5 Sep 2002 04:35:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 28419 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2002 04:35:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2002 04:35:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2002 04:35:14 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g854YwIk078126; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 00:34:58 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3D76DE33.4E9C26CF@skyweb.net> Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 00:31:47 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "ABDX@topica.com" , "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Subject: WCNJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Is it my ears.. or just static tonight gee I hope the FCC shut them down finally when I came out of a recording session tonight I noticed that WCNJ WAS GONE... This may be the New Beginning ...we will see in the Morning if they are back onl On... Maybe I will get my transmitter and antenna back.. this could be a Good thing.. Neal From n0uiheric@aol.com Wed Sep 04 22:50:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 5 Sep 2002 05:50:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 25008 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2002 05:50:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2002 05:50:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.8) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2002 05:50:16 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.7e.2d323236 (4362) for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 01:50:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7e.2d323236.2aa84a94@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 01:50:12 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Semi-OT: XM audio / digital vs. analog To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Nothing sounds better than AM Stereo. If you want digital sound, make sure your cable company offers digital cable, and get DMX. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From n0uiheric@aol.com Wed Sep 04 22:50:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 5 Sep 2002 05:50:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 30336 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2002 05:50:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2002 05:50:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2002 05:50:17 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.cf.1c817e6d (4362) for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 01:50:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 01:50:13 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ham roundtable To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih The last AM station I worked for, WGNU (920 AM), although it was mono, had two similar vintage Harris Stereo boards left over from the time they owned WGNU-FM 106.5 (now WSSM). These boards were not included when Chuck Norman sold the FM to Doubleday (who turned it into rocker WWWK) in 1978. I had a chance to work these 1960s-vintage boards, and it was kind of fun to operate a knob-style board. In 1999, the station went to newer, slide-style boards. I started with a knob-style board in the 1980s (a Ramko Research board with LED VU indicators with red and yellow lights; solid yellow lights meant you were overmodulated). A similar board will be put into use when the students of Southern Illinois University Edwardsville put on a Web radio station in the next few months. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From n0uiheric@aol.com Wed Sep 04 22:50:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 5 Sep 2002 05:50:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 44398 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2002 05:50:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2002 05:50:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m09.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.164) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2002 05:50:22 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.11a.163bdeb3 (4362) for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 01:50:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <11a.163bdeb3.2aa84a99@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 01:50:17 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Was ham roundtable, turned into Jay's radio manifesto chapter 6 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih I thought AM was NOT ALLOWED to modulate more than 100%! In Europe, AM stations are usually only allowed 85% modulation to avoid ACI. For example, if you lived, say, in Mainflingen, Germany, and had a local station on, say, 1539 kHz, you could still hear the distant stations on 1530 (Vatican City at night) and 1548 kHz (most likely London at night). 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From n0uiheric@aol.com Wed Sep 04 22:50:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 5 Sep 2002 05:50:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 17500 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2002 05:50:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2002 05:50:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m10.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.165) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2002 05:50:22 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.127.166c3bb8 (4362) for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 01:50:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <127.166c3bb8.2aa84a9c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 01:50:20 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} CJCH update - musings on CHNX etc. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih CFRX 6070 Toronto, ON operates with a non-directional antenna; and has a good signal into the Midwest during the day. Before sunset, it can make it into the Deep South. CKZN 6160 St. John's, NF jacked up it's power to 1 kW; they come in with a decent signal late at night in the St. Louis area. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Sep 05 00:17:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 5 Sep 2002 07:17:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 33418 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2002 07:17:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2002 07:17:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2002 07:17:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2002 07:17:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 07:17:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Semi-OT: XM audio / digital vs. analog Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7e.2d323236.2aa84a94@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1657 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Nothing sounds better than AM Stereo. If you want digital sound, > make sure your cable company offers digital cable, and get DMX. I cringe at the thought of having to put up with the video and audio "artifacts" of digital "standard definition" cable or satellite TV. It seems to be essentially a broadcast form of Video CD, which is a whopping 352 x 240 resolution on your screen, together with 224 kbps MP2 stereo audio. When *properly encoded and decoded*, the video will be similar in quality to VHS tape, and the audio will be similar to 160 kbps MP3 files, but this is only the ideal -- in a lot of cases, the picture degradation becomes noticeable, as does the typically "chattery" nature of lower-bitrate MP2 audio. Here in central NJ we have a low-power UHF TV station serving the Indian/South Asian community, and they often run programming direct from India which comes over the satellite in this type of MPEG compressed video. Sometimes, something goes *horribly* wrong, and it is extremely amusing to watch... once every two seconds or so, a good frame might get through, but the rest is just total *garbage* -- psychedelic colors and graphical patterns all over the screen, and all sorts of swishing and chattering "underwater" noises coming from the audio. It is *hilarious* to watch, but I guess not so much if you are actually wanting to view whatever TV show it is supposed to be! (And I guess I am easily amused... back around 1997 when RealAudio was brand new, my friend and I used to have laughing fits from listening to all the drop-outs and strange noises that 590 WOW's RealAudio web-cast would have.) From mychucky@funport.net Thu Sep 05 07:11:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mychucky@funport.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 5 Sep 2002 14:11:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 30580 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2002 14:11:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2002 14:11:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.funport.com) (216.199.19.6) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2002 14:11:48 -0000 Received: from FatMusic2000 ([]) by mail.funport.com (Merak 5.0.2) with SMTP id JFB36580 for ; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 10:07:57 -0400 Message-ID: <003001c254e6$4f260c20$2c8e1f40@FatMusic2000> To: References: <11a.163bdeb3.2aa84a99@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Was ham roundtable, turned into Jay's radio manifesto chapter 6 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:12:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85836819 X-Yahoo-Profile: mychucky1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How can I put this.............U.S. AM stations are allowed to use 125% positive modulation aslong as their is no negative peaks below 0% FM Stations can run 105% of their rated power down to 90 % ----- Original Message ----- From: n0uiheric@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 1:50 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Was ham roundtable, turned into Jay's radio manifesto chapter 6 I thought AM was NOT ALLOWED to modulate more than 100%! In Europe, AM stations are usually only allowed 85% modulation to avoid ACI. For example, if you lived, say, in Mainflingen, Germany, and had a local station on, say, 1539 kHz, you could still hear the distant stations on 1530 (Vatican City at night) and 1548 kHz (most likely London at night). 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From philipr@irac.pe.ca Thu Sep 05 07:45:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 5 Sep 2002 14:45:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 66821 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2002 14:45:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2002 14:45:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2002 14:45:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2002 14:45:06 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 14:45:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: CJCH Report Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2042 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tubesareking" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Last night [while working on a Phase I restoration of a circa 1933 Philco Model 66 cathedral radio] I remembered to lovingly take my Sony SRF-42 out of its special drawer, and check CJCH for stereo. It would appear that CJCH is in stereo. I seemed to notice separation, and they sound pretty good. The Sony of course doesn't have a stereo indicator, and given its forced stereo mode, some mono stations seem to have a spatial openness which almost seems like stereo. Its hard to tell, as there was a lot of fading, a bad whine [IF X 2? or nearby CFBC 930 in Saint John NB? or both!]. Once I have an S-A-T again, it should be easier to tell! The SAT works very nicely with the SRF-42. While somewhat off the topic, after very discreetly incorporating a modern speaker into the basket of the original speaker, the sound on the Philco is superb - lots of top end to go with nice rich bass. And, NO HUM! Even my wife, not an electronics junkie, was impressed. Hmmm, how about a repro cathedral radio, with matching speaker, featuring AM Stereo? Back in the 30s, there were cathedral speakers as well as cathedral radios, so this wouldn't be too far a stretch. Someday, I'll try to get my AM Stereo Repro Collector table radio idea off the ground - complete with a variant on the wave-magnet idea, to allow AM reception in glass and steel office buildings - which admittedly can make AM reception difficult. Let's see, I need a simple but decent AM radio chassis kit, a Chris Cuff decoder board, a canakit stereo amp board kit, a couple good but cheap car stereo speakers - say 4 to 6 inch [whizzer cone or coax tweeter]and a nice, real wood cabinet that looks repro or AT LEAST RETRO. If anyone has any ideas on the AM radio chassis kit, let me know. I did see one or two on the net, but figure they wouldn't be too sensitive. Perhaps a bigger ferrite bar antenna might help. Also, if there are any oscillator issues, a small internal metal box for sheilding the decoder board, might be needed. Phil From jwelton@nautel.com Thu Sep 05 08:06:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 5 Sep 2002 15:06:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 35132 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2002 15:06:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2002 15:06:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserver.nautel.com) (24.222.4.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2002 15:06:24 -0000 Received: FROM jeff-welton BY mailserver.nautel.com ; Thu Sep 05 12:08:13 2002 -0300 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 12:05:28 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Was ham roundtable, turned into Jay's radio manifesto chapter 6 Message-ID: <3D774886.27260.DED4B5@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <003001c254e6$4f260c20$2c8e1f40@FatMusic2000> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body From: "Jeff Welton" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 > How can I put this.............U.S. AM stations are allowed to use 125% positive > modulation aslong as their is no negative peaks below 0% FM Stations can run > 105% of their rated power down to 90 % >>I thought AM was NOT ALLOWED to modulate more than 100%! In Europe, AM >>stations are usually only allowed 85% modulation to avoid ACI. Chuck is right - although how a negative peak could be below 0% escapes me! 125% is the positive limit. Also, modulation depth has virtually no affect on ACI - this is AM, not FM. Occupied bandwidth, thus adjacent channel interference, is pretty much totally determined by the top audio frequency being passed, hence the NRSC filter requirement and the NRSC-1 mask that stations are supposed to check yearly (in the US). I believe that the frequency limit is 6kHz in most European countries, to avoid adj. channel interference. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. 200% modulation with 5kHz max audio would tend to create less ACI than 75% modulation with 12.5 kHz. Regards, Jeff Welton Nautel Customer Service Dept. Tel.: 1-902-823-3900 ext. 127 Fax: 1-902-823-3183 email: jwelton@nautel.com From groucho@skyweb.net Thu Sep 05 08:45:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 5 Sep 2002 15:45:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 99755 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2002 15:45:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2002 15:45:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2002 15:45:09 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g85FirIk035765 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:44:54 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3D777B37.2679DAC0@skyweb.net> Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 11:41:44 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Was ham roundtable, turned into Jay's radio manifesto chapter 6 References: <3D774886.27260.DED4B5@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 well I'm running +123% peak Modulation and -97% You cannot Run More than Negative 100% modulation In the U.S. Neal From jwelton@nautel.com Thu Sep 05 08:54:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 5 Sep 2002 15:54:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 96634 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2002 15:54:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2002 15:54:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserver.nautel.com) (24.222.4.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2002 15:54:16 -0000 Received: FROM jeff-welton BY mailserver.nautel.com ; Thu Sep 05 12:56:05 2002 -0300 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 12:53:12 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Was ham roundtable, turned into Jay's radio manifesto chapter 6 Message-ID: <3D7753BF.6816.10AAB1D@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3D777B37.2679DAC0@skyweb.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body From: "Jeff Welton" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 > > well I'm running +123% peak Modulation and -97% You cannot Run More than > Negative 100% modulation In the U.S. Neal That's what I was getting at Neal, although on review, I see worded it incorrectly - how can you run more than negative100% anywhere, as -100% is .... nothing. No carrier, zero signal. Regards, Jeff Welton Nautel Customer Service Dept. Tel.: 1-902-823-3900 ext. 127 Fax: 1-902-823-3183 email: jwelton@nautel.com From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Sep 05 11:35:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 5 Sep 2002 18:35:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 67000 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2002 18:35:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2002 18:35:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11701.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2002 18:35:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20020905183522.94187.qmail@web11701.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.33.16] by web11701.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 11:35:22 PDT Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:35:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Semi-OT: XM audio / digital vs. analog To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio The car models I don't think will be much of a problem with sounds above 8kC. due to all of the road noice you hear from the car moving. From what we listened to, XM sounded pretty good. True, we did have on rap, rock, jazz, etc. and we were moving while listening, but since that's what most people do it doesn't seem much of a problem. Sure it's not audiophile standards but the lack of inerference and weak signals that you hear on AM & FM is more than enough it seems to make up for it. The only real signal problems apparently come from when the antenna can't see the satellite. This is the stuff we have to be able to counter when convincing people that analog is superior to digital. I know most people don't really care about H.D.T.V. (the whole thing is a joke. I went to an electronics store yesterday and they had a few H.D.T.V. sets and I was NOT impressed with the picture quality. It still looks flat & 2-dimensional. Until they come up with stereoscopic television, I'll stick to N.T.S.C..) A major factor A.M. has to overcome is its public perception. We can have all of the stereo big band stations in the world on A.M. but if people don't think there's anything else to A.M. except news, talk, (this'll offend some readers but it's true) religion, and old lo-fi music (those big band records from the '30s for example) then the draw for most people is not there. The same thing was true for F.M. in the '60s from what I've read (being born in 1979 puts me 10 years away from the hippy stations). Before about 1965 it was beautiful music, news/talk, educational, and known as the chhese & wine band. If A.M. is to enter a true renaissance (not MORE sportstalk), several things have to happen: 1. Compelling programming has to be put back on the band. Most AMs today are either satellite feeds or trying to serve a larger city. A few more Full-service stations won't hurt anyone. 2. Better talent has to be attracted to the stations that are trying to compete. Look at KJYK/1490 in Tucson that was playing a rap format. Until some dolt decided they would be better as a sportstalk station, the kids listened to them religiously. 1490 was it. This was from 1989-1996. Take a look at country WDAF/610-Kansas City. They constantly outrank the F.M. country stations there. They have better AND LIVE personalities, a Program Director who knows what he's doing, and this in turn usually places them in the top 3 in Kansas City although it has been #1 overall in the past couple of years. They're 5kW beating out some 100kW F.M.s. 3. PROMOTION! Yes stations, you WILL have to spend money to promote your station. Yes, this will take the G.M.'s 7th Ferrari away from him, but you've got to wake up & realize that even if the A.M. is a cash cow that hasn't been promoted in the psat, years of neglect will take its toll and then you'll have a liability. Promotions would include: bumper stickers, BILLBOARDS, T.V. ads, etc.. Come on! Have some fun with this! See if you can make your A.M. bill like the F.M.s because so MUCH is going INTO it! 4. For stereo: Scott is right, we need more radios out in the market, especially on after-market car radios. More thoughts as they come. Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Sep 05 13:32:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 5 Sep 2002 20:32:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 55435 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2002 20:32:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2002 20:32:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2002 20:32:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2002 20:32:43 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 20:32:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Was ham roundtable, turned into Jay's radio manifesto chapter 6 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D7753BF.6816.10AAB1D@localhost> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1340 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.147 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > how can you run more than negative 100% anywhere, as -100% is .... > nothing. No carrier, zero signal. BTW, I have heard the "pop" effect that Magnavox AM Stereo produces when it hits a -100% modulation peak, and for as much as it was complained about, it really isn't that big of a deal. It just sounds like the station's carrier dropping out for a split-second, because that's what it essentially is. And since it only really happens during large audio peaks anyway, such as a sudden drum hit after a long time of quiet audio, the effect isn't as noticeable. Magnavox recommended that stations using their system limit the negative modulation to -95% to prevent this "pop" sound, and for some reason engineers seemed to go crazy over this minor issue, when in fact the difference between -95% and -100% peaks is so minor that it cannot possibly cause any noticeable difference in a station's loudness or signal coverage. Yet, it was complained about enough that the FCC dropped their original approval of the Magnavox system, and went through an evaluation of all the competing AM Stereo systems again, before deciding to let them all be used, hence the "marketplace" decision which some say was the whole reason why AM Stereo has never really had a chance to fully succeed and achieve widespread use in the USA. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Sep 05 13:43:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 5 Sep 2002 20:43:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 63941 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2002 20:43:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2002 20:43:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11702.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2002 20:43:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20020905204302.72042.qmail@web11702.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.33.16] by web11702.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 13:43:02 PDT Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 13:43:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Was ham roundtable, turned into Jay's radio manifesto chapter 6 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio From what I've heard, Magnavox had the best system in terms of audio reproduction. By the way, do those Mag files still exist? Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From mychucky@funport.net Thu Sep 05 13:51:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mychucky@funport.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 5 Sep 2002 20:51:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 40456 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2002 20:51:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2002 20:51:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.funport.com) (216.199.19.6) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2002 20:51:26 -0000 Received: from FatMusic2000 ([]) by mail.funport.com (Merak 5.0.2) with SMTP id JFB36580 for ; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 16:47:37 -0400 Message-ID: <001201c2551e$23f31bf0$2c8e1f40@FatMusic2000> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Was ham roundtable, turned into Jay's radio manifesto chapter 6 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 16:52:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85836819 X-Yahoo-Profile: mychucky1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Running more than 100 percent negative mod will give you a wave form on a scope that looks like this||||||||||||||||-----||||||||||||||||||\/\/\/\/\/\/-------\/\/\/\/ instead of this on a steady two tone test |||-||||||-|||||-||||-||||-||||||\/\/\/\/\/\/-\/\/\/\/\/\/\||||||||||-|||||||| gaps in modulation on a scope instead of crossing wave forms. the _____ is no modulation for an excessive period of time on a tone. Modern transmitters have processors that permit more positive modulation, but if set incorrectly can result in excessive distortion which is the result of negative. It is hard to explain in text but easy to see on an oscilloscope. Chuck www.stereoam.com ----- Original Message ----- From: kevtronics To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 4:32 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Was ham roundtable, turned into Jay's radio manifesto chapter 6 > how can you run more than negative 100% anywhere, as -100% is .... > nothing. No carrier, zero signal. BTW, I have heard the "pop" effect that Magnavox AM Stereo produces when it hits a -100% modulation peak, and for as much as it was complained about, it really isn't that big of a deal. It just sounds like the station's carrier dropping out for a split-second, because that's what it essentially is. And since it only really happens during large audio peaks anyway, such as a sudden drum hit after a long time of quiet audio, the effect isn't as noticeable. Magnavox recommended that stations using their system limit the negative modulation to -95% to prevent this "pop" sound, and for some reason engineers seemed to go crazy over this minor issue, when in fact the difference between -95% and -100% peaks is so minor that it cannot possibly cause any noticeable difference in a station's loudness or signal coverage. Yet, it was complained about enough that the FCC dropped their original approval of the Magnavox system, and went through an evaluation of all the competing AM Stereo systems again, before deciding to let them all be used, hence the "marketplace" decision which some say was the whole reason why AM Stereo has never really had a chance to fully succeed and achieve widespread use in the USA. Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mychucky@funport.net Thu Sep 05 13:53:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mychucky@funport.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 5 Sep 2002 20:53:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 85737 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2002 20:53:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2002 20:53:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.funport.com) (216.199.19.6) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2002 20:53:55 -0000 Received: from FatMusic2000 ([]) by mail.funport.com (Merak 5.0.2) with SMTP id JFB36580 for ; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 16:50:06 -0400 Message-ID: <001f01c2551e$7d69f0f0$2c8e1f40@FatMusic2000> To: References: <3D774886.27260.DED4B5@localhost> <3D777B37.2679DAC0@skyweb.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Was ham roundtable, turned into Jay's radio manifesto chapter 6 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 16:54:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85836819 X-Yahoo-Profile: mychucky1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hee heee well you can run more negative but it is illegal and does not help the sound or range. ----- Original Message ----- From: Neal Newman To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 11:41 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Was ham roundtable, turned into Jay's radio manifesto chapter 6 well I'm running +123% peak Modulation and -97% You cannot Run More than Negative 100% modulation In the U.S. Neal Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Sep 05 14:06:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 5 Sep 2002 21:06:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 72443 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2002 21:06:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2002 21:06:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2002 21:06:19 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn94.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.98]) by m2-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:06:19 -0600 To: Subject: was Jay's manifesto...now modulation talk Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:06:14 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Checked mine on the modulation monitor this morning. My positive is at about 120% and negative at about 100%. Correct me if I'm wrong but that I beleive is certainly pushing the envelope on the FCC's limits. Whoever said you can't be as loud if you're stereo is full of baloney!! I actually turned UP the modulation and it was as high as 135% and STILL sounded just great with no distortion! Gotta love those rumors! MJR n WYO -----Original Message----- From: kevtronics [mailto:kevtronics@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 2:33 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Was ham roundtable, turned into Jay's radio manifesto chapter 6 > how can you run more than negative 100% anywhere, as -100% is .... > nothing. No carrier, zero signal. BTW, I have heard the "pop" effect that Magnavox AM Stereo produces when it hits a -100% modulation peak, and for as much as it was complained about, it really isn't that big of a deal. It just sounds [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Thu Sep 05 20:45:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 6 Sep 2002 03:45:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 34099 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2002 03:45:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2002 03:45:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 03:45:49 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.116.16a220b6 (25305) for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 23:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <116.16a220b6.2aa97eea@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 23:45:46 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} was Jay's manifesto...now modulation talk To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 9/5/02 5:07:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, michaelj@vcn.com writes: << Checked mine on the modulation monitor this morning. My positive is at about 120% and negative at about 100%. Correct me if I'm wrong but that I beleive is certainly pushing the envelope on the FCC's limits. Whoever said you can't be as loud if you're stereo is full of baloney!! I actually turned UP the modulation and it was as high as 135% and STILL sounded just great with no distortion! Gotta love those rumors! >> Gotta watch running that audio up to high...or your iron will turn into iron powder. Mod transformers aint cheap from Peter Dahl these days Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From groucho@skyweb.net Thu Sep 05 21:01:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 6 Sep 2002 04:01:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 13716 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2002 04:01:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2002 04:01:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 04:01:45 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8641GIk052351 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 00:01:16 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3D7827D2.39420D14@skyweb.net> Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 23:58:10 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} was Jay's manifesto...now modulation talk References: <116.16a220b6.2aa97eea@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 gotta love my Digital harris...... KC4QLP@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/5/02 5:07:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, michaelj@vcn.com > writes: > > << Checked mine on the modulation monitor this morning. My positive is at > about 120% and negative at about 100%. > Correct me if I'm wrong but that I beleive is certainly pushing the envelope > on the FCC's limits. Whoever said you can't be as loud if you're stereo is > full of baloney!! I actually turned UP the modulation and it was as high as > 135% and STILL sounded just great with no distortion! Gotta love those > rumors! >> > Gotta watch running that audio up to high...or your iron will turn into iron > powder. Mod transformers aint cheap from Peter Dahl these days > > Bob Carter > Operations/Engineering > > WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 > Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio > Network > > Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering > services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. > e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com > http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice > Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC > WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC > WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC > > AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- > amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com > > amstereo-subcribe@topica.com > amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > > KC4QLP Amateur Radio > Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va > www.kc4qlp.cjb.net > > voice contact-252-335-0856 > fax 1-209-254-8978 > _______________________________________________________ > > WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter > 5, Subchapter II, > "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a > download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of > these terms." > Your message (if actually mailed) is in violation of the Federal Telephone > Consumer Protection Act of 1991, and Collateral Code of Federal Regulations > (47 CFR 64.1200). The TCPA allows a private right of action against the > sender of unsolicited advertising. The recipient can sue for $500, or > actualdamages (whichever is greater). > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------------- > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From KC4QLP@aol.com Thu Sep 05 21:14:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 6 Sep 2002 04:14:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 99189 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2002 04:14:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2002 04:14:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r08.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.104) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 04:14:11 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.14c.1395efeb (25305) for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 00:14:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <14c.1395efeb.2aa9858d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 00:14:05 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} was Jay's manifesto...now modulation talk To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp << gotta love my Digital harris... >> I'd love to have a few of them down here! Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Sep 05 21:34:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 6 Sep 2002 04:34:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 27642 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2002 04:34:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2002 04:34:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14201.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.143) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 04:34:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20020906043451.80199.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.166.39.190] by web14201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 21:34:51 PDT Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 21:34:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Need AMS website URLs To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hamfest this weekend, so I want to layout a bunch of AMS handouts there. Could somebody, or everybody, please list all our websites related to the AMS cause so I can list links on this one page AMS promo? Thanks. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From dav259@csiro.au Thu Sep 05 22:01:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 6 Sep 2002 05:01:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 77912 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2002 05:01:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2002 05:01:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 05:01:16 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8651Ek12822 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:01:14 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:01:14 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Need AMS website URLs In-Reply-To: <20020906043451.80199.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Johnny Electron wrote: > Hamfest this weekend, so I want to layout a bunch of AMS handouts there. > Could somebody, or everybody, please list all our websites related to the AMS > cause so I can list links on this one page AMS promo? sites http://www.amstereoradio.com http://www.geocities.com/amstereoexp/ http://amstereo.audio-stream.net/atlantaradio/main.html http://users.hfx.eastlink.ca/~amstereo/index.htm http://funshow.tripod.com/am.html http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ AM stereo streaming http://amstereo.audio-stream.net/hothitsradio/hothits.ram e-mail groups amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com "subscribe" in subject field amstereo@bellsouth.net "subscribe" in subject field amstereo@topica.com "subscribe" in subject field [not entirely sure about the subscription details] Good luck Johnny! Ian From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Sep 05 22:19:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 6 Sep 2002 05:19:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 28665 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2002 05:19:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2002 05:19:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 05:19:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2002 05:19:08 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 05:19:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Magnavox AM Stereo with Dolby Pro Logic Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1933 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.147 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Here are a few demo MP3s I made a while back. They are of Dolby Pro Logic surround sound, as transmitted and received in Magnavox AM Stereo, using an "Alfredo Lite" transmitter modified to produce a Magnavox-type signal, and a Sony SRF-A100 "multi-system" radio. http://rvcc2.raritanval.edu/ktek9053/mag-strt.mp3 http://rvcc2.raritanval.edu/ktek9053/mag-airp.mp3 The quality of these files is likely to be poor if you play them through a Pro Logic decoder, but only because the original source audio was from Video CD (VCD) music video tracks which use 224 kbps MP2 compression on the audio, which in turn was re-encoded to these 128 kbps MP3 files after the transmitter/receiver path. Despite the fancy name, Dolby Pro Logic is an analog system which is based on the same principles as SQ Quadraphonic sound. By using special phasing, the rear "Surround" channel is placed into and extracted from the regular two-channel audio, so thus any Stereo audio format can be used to carry Pro Logic surround sound. TV broadcasts, especially of baseball games, often use Pro Logic surround sound, as well as virtually all "stereo" movies (on VHS HiFi tape, Laser Disc, or Video CD) and also many music videos. And as for the Magnavox AM Stereo system itself, at least using the set-up described above, it does provide a wider Stereo separation than C-Quam or Kahn, with lower distortion. However, it was not as technically advanced as the other systems, and once C-Quam and Harris equipment became widely available around 1984, broadcasters lost almost all interest in the Magnavox system. By mid-1985, only 6 or 7 stations in the entire USA were officially known to be still broadcasting in Magnavox AM Stereo. One of the more notable hold-outs was 1190 WOWO in Ft. Wayne, IN, which later switched to the C-Quam system, and then finally to plain mono in the mid-'90s at the demise of their music format. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu Sep 05 23:09:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 6 Sep 2002 06:09:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 6145 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2002 06:09:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2002 06:09:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 06:09:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2002 06:09:10 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 06:09:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Need AMS website URLs Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020906043451.80199.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 568 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.146 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., Johnny Electron wrote: > Hamfest this weekend, so I want to layout a bunch of AMS handouts there. > Could somebody, or everybody, please list all our websites related to the AMS > cause so I can list links on this one page AMS promo? > Thanks. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com I also have a site at http://www.hal-pc.org/~jsgil/AM-Stereo It is in the BookMark section which is now called Links. JSG From don@idpt.com Fri Sep 06 04:36:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: don@idpt.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 6 Sep 2002 11:36:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 40059 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2002 11:36:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2002 11:36:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (24.56.70.114) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 11:36:06 -0000 Received: from [192.168.2.2] (helo=primary) by localhost with esmtp (Exim 4.04) id 17nHTV-00087R-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 06:40:33 -0500 To: Subject: Station IDs and Newscast intros Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 06:35:41 -0500 Message-ID: <001601c25599$87ec6910$0202a8c0@primary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: From: "Don Johnson" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=32705644 X-Yahoo-Profile: htmldon This isn't technically related to AM Stereo but I figured that somebody in this audience might know where I could find some audio files of station identifications. Specifically, I want to find the "50000 watt monster on the lake" id from WWWE (now Clear Channel's wimpy WTAM) AM 1100 in Cleveland. 100000watts.com has some, but not the 3WE one. While I'm at it -- I'm also wondering if anybody knows of some good TV graphics sites with things like newscast intros. I'm getting annoyed with all of these WorldNow news sites for TV stations because they have replaced online videos of the entire newscast with just video of individual stories. Sure, that's probably more useful to the average viewer -- but it cuts out the fun of seeing the newscast intro graphics for me! Sunbeam's WSVN in Miami and WHDH in Boston both have awesome graphics and have broadband live and archived newscasts. Thanks, _________________ Don Johnson don@donjohnson.org From mychucky@funport.net Fri Sep 06 06:50:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mychucky@funport.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 6 Sep 2002 13:50:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 61072 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2002 13:50:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2002 13:50:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.funport.com) (216.199.19.6) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 13:50:44 -0000 Received: from FatMusic2000 ([]) by mail.funport.com (Merak 5.0.2) with SMTP id JFB36580 for ; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 09:47:00 -0400 Message-ID: <002c01c255ac$8bce3c80$2c8e1f40@FatMusic2000> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Need AMS website URLs Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:51:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85836819 X-Yahoo-Profile: mychucky1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gee was it something I said? How about http://www.stereoam.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Davidson To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 1:01 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Need AMS website URLs On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Johnny Electron wrote: > Hamfest this weekend, so I want to layout a bunch of AMS handouts there. > Could somebody, or everybody, please list all our websites related to the AMS > cause so I can list links on this one page AMS promo? sites http://www.amstereoradio.com http://www.geocities.com/amstereoexp/ http://amstereo.audio-stream.net/atlantaradio/main.html http://users.hfx.eastlink.ca/~amstereo/index.htm http://funshow.tripod.com/am.html http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ AM stereo streaming http://amstereo.audio-stream.net/hothitsradio/hothits.ram e-mail groups amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com "subscribe" in subject field amstereo@bellsouth.net "subscribe" in subject field amstereo@topica.com "subscribe" in subject field [not entirely sure about the subscription details] Good luck Johnny! Ian Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT I'm a Woman Man seeking a Man Woman Enter city or ZIP Age: to Show only ads with photos Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Sep 06 07:51:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 6 Sep 2002 14:51:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 13606 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2002 14:51:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2002 14:51:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m3-cluster1.vcn.com) (209.193.72.33) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 14:51:54 -0000 Received: from keva (unverified [63.175.110.110]) by m3-cluster1.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 08:51:54 -0600 Message-ID: <000f01c255b4$f34bcaa0$0701010a@keva> To: References: <116.16a220b6.2aa97eea@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} was Jay's manifesto...now modulation talk Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 08:51:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Big grin?? :) Okay okay....I'll turn it down :) I've heard about those. It just amazes me, though. For as big as a P.O.S. as this McMartin BA-1K is...it sure sounds good. I have to hand it to our engineer Dennis. For the 15 years we've had this transmitter now, he's kept it sounding this good. And actually, he claims it sounds as good as it does because we're actually only 880 watts....not 1000. He says that's the reason we CAN modulate 125% and still sound wonderful. He said when they first moved out here to the current location, the company that owned it was too cheap to spend the money for the additional field strength measurements for him to go way out in the Idaho/Utah wilderness into that last contour. If they would have done that, we would have been able to add another section to the tower and be the full 1000. Then again, I can see their point. Out here in the west, yeah maybe a few more sheep would be able to hear us. The "screaming into a pillow" theory comes to mind :) So yeah, we're actually only 880 watts. Not like we'd be able to reach another market (such as Rock Springs, WY or Salt Lake City, UT) with that addition 120 watts. He was really impressed when I told him what I was doing when putting in the stereo and that I had a friend that gave me the specific modifications for the transmitter and all. In his words "well I AM impressed. Now I wish I hadn't wrecked my Dodge Dakota...it had AM Stereo." Anyways.....that's news on an unusually rainy day in Wyoming. MJR n WYO ----- Original Message ----- From: KC4QLP@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 9:45 PM Gotta watch running that audio up to high...or your iron will turn into iron powder. Mod transformers aint cheap from Peter Dahl these days Bob Carter Operations/Engineering [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From michaelj@vcn.com Fri Sep 06 08:19:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 6 Sep 2002 15:19:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 30301 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2002 15:19:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2002 15:19:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster1.vcn.com) (209.193.72.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 15:19:08 -0000 Received: from keva (unverified [63.175.110.110]) by m1-cluster1.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:19:07 -0600 Message-ID: <002401c255b8$c106ffc0$0701010a@keva> To: Subject: You asked for it! Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:19:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And here it is! I got an aircheck right off of the air monitor this morning! It's at the new "mirror" FTP AMS site that I set up. go to ftp://209.193.86.116/north-america/USA/Wyoming and look for keva9-6-02-air monitor stereo.mp3 It's about 3.2 megs....kinda big...but you guys said you wanted more...so there ya are :) Yes, note there is a little distortion and that's only because the level was just a tad hot into my laptop. But you'll certainly get the idea and see just HOW GOOD an actual C-Quam modulation monitor sounds! ENJOY!!! MJR n WYO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Sep 06 11:20:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 6 Sep 2002 18:20:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 85763 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2002 18:20:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2002 18:20:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 18:20:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20020906182009.68381.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 11:20:09 PDT Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 11:20:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Where Has Some of our long-time AMS charter members gone? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Anybody know what's the scoop with some of our seasoned AMS pros? - Alex K.? - Dom ? - Darwin ? - Alredo ? Come on back and jump-into the conversation! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From rondallb@hotmail.com Fri Sep 06 11:45:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rondallb@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 6 Sep 2002 18:45:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 93576 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2002 18:45:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2002 18:45:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 18:45:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2002 18:45:40 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 18:45:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Only one complaint I have about this forum Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 262 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rondallb2000" X-Originating-IP: 170.142.1.33 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=40468085 X-Yahoo-Profile: rondallb2000 My only complaint about this forum is the number of advertisements. It gets very annoying to try to follow a conversation never knowing when a bunch of ads will interfere. I can understand having a few but it seems there are a large number on this forum. From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Sep 06 12:08:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 6 Sep 2002 19:08:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 33315 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2002 19:08:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2002 19:08:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 19:08:29 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-130.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.130]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g86J4HDS012878 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:04:18 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001501c255d8$e552c920$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <116.16a220b6.2aa97eea@aol.com> <3D7827D2.39420D14@skyweb.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} was Jay's manifesto...now modulation talk Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:09:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude True, but I'll bet that old Raytheon is a bit more Saddam-proof. ST :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Newman" > gotta love my Digital harris...... > > KC4QLP@aol.com wrote: > > Gotta watch running that audio up to high...or your iron will turn into iron > > powder. Mod transformers aint cheap from Peter Dahl these days From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Sep 06 12:17:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 6 Sep 2002 19:17:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 17730 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2002 19:17:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2002 19:17:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 19:17:13 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-130.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.130]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g86JD1DS014884 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:13:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003301c255da$1db61960$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020906182009.68381.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Where Has Some of our long-time AMS charter members gone? Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:17:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude The first two you listed seemed to have dropped off the edge of the earth. Darwin still participates on occasion on Dennis's list. Alfredo, last I knew, was getting a bit serious with a girlfriend (I didn't think that happened to engineers :^D). ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnny Electron" > - Darwin ? > - Alredo ? From amfmdx@fastq.com Fri Sep 06 12:56:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 6 Sep 2002 19:56:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 22978 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2002 19:56:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2002 19:56:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 19:56:52 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt ([207.173.147.249]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g86JupP16779 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:56:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <024701c255df$40123c00$45f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <20020906182009.68381.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> <003301c255da$1db61960$d3a9fea9@me> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Where Has Some of our long-time AMS charter members gone? Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:54:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Alfredo, last I > knew, was getting a bit serious with a girlfriend (I didn't think that > happened to engineers :^D). Scott, There is hope. Sometimes women want geeks. My old lady found me because she was looking for someone who could fix her broken car... washer... doors... plumbing... air conditioner... stereo.. refrigerator... TV.... you get the idea. I guess she figured it was cheaper to marry an engineer than pay all those repairmen. Kevin From KC4QLP@aol.com Fri Sep 06 14:05:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 6 Sep 2002 21:05:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 72284 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2002 21:05:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2002 21:05:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d10.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.42) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 21:05:54 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.182.dea3151 (3842) for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 17:05:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <182.dea3151.2aaa72af@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 17:05:51 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} was Jay's manifesto...now modulation talk To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 9/6/02 3:10:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, stodd@sherbtel.net writes: << True, but I'll bet that old Raytheon is a bit more Saddam-proof. ST :) >> Pretty dog gone close to it! Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Sep 06 14:49:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 6 Sep 2002 21:49:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 69874 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2002 21:49:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2002 21:49:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 21:49:38 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.86]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 17:47:35 -0400 Message-ID: <001c01c255ef$3bb72c00$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <20020906182009.68381.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> <003301c255da$1db61960$d3a9fea9@me> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Where Has Some of our long-time AMS charter members gone? Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 17:49:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Alex is a mystery- He does not return email messages, his phone is gone, and his hotmail address is abandoned. Alfredo has his email set for "special messages only"- so he can only keep up if he goes back into the archives. Dom is one I would love to see back. We lost him when WWRL left stereo, which I admit was a bad blow to us NY'ers. And DARWIN!- we need you here! CC From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Sep 06 15:11:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 6 Sep 2002 22:11:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 71820 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2002 22:11:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2002 22:11:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11703.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 22:11:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20020906221105.83971.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.33.16] by web11703.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 15:11:05 PDT Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:11:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: {AMSF} Where Have Some of our long-time AMS charter members gone? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001c01c255ef$3bb72c00$0101a8c0@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio When did WWRL drop stereo? It seemed to go Powerside after stereo. I thought Powerside was illegal, but I guess it's only if you use it with Kahn stereo. By the way, I managed to get some A.M. Stereo brochures that a friend of mine will be scanning for me to upload. One is for Powerside, too. The # for Kahn still works: (516) 222-2221 if anybody wants to complain directly. It's a Long Island #. 73, Jay,N1WVQ P.S.: Neal, I received the QSL today. ¡Muchas Gracias! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Sep 06 15:18:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 6 Sep 2002 22:18:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 56704 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2002 22:18:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2002 22:18:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 22:18:13 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.68]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 18:16:11 -0400 Message-ID: <002401c255f3$3a8e1880$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <20020906221105.83971.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Where Have Some of our long-time AMS charter members gone? Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 18:17:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Oh thats right Jay- Poke a pit bull in the eye with a stick... LOL.... cc ----- Original Message ----- From: JNR The # for Kahn still works: > (516) 222-2221 if anybody wants to complain > directly. It's a Long Island #. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Sep 06 16:15:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 6 Sep 2002 23:15:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 79428 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2002 23:15:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2002 23:15:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11705.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 23:15:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20020906231552.94231.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.33.16] by web11705.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 16:15:52 PDT Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 16:15:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Where Have Some of our long-time AMS charter members gone? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <002401c255f3$3a8e1880$0101a8c0@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Well if someone doesn't call the A.S.P.C.A. on me, I'm all set! I think this dog is rabid, and there's only one way to cure that. Now off of the dog metaphors. Maybe I should call the local religion station on 1590 & tell them to shut off for the night so I can hear 1600. Nah, they'd never do that. Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Sep 06 20:56:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 7 Sep 2002 03:56:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 55750 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2002 03:56:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2002 03:56:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2002 03:56:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2002 03:56:13 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 03:56:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 100 members Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 635 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.132 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Thanks to another new member joining today, I would like to point out that The AM Stereo Forum now has 100 members! Since its creation last October, The AM Stereo Forum on Yahoo Groups has become the most popular and most active discussion group dedicated to AM Stereo. As we are getting ready to celebrate our one-year anniversary here, I would just like to thank all 100 members for their support and participation. It is through this kind of dedication that we can make sure that AM Stereo will continue to be popular all around the world for years to come! Kevin Tekel kevtronics@yahoo.com Sysop of The AM Stereo Forum From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Sep 07 00:02:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 7 Sep 2002 07:02:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 24364 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2002 07:02:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2002 07:02:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2002 07:02:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2002 07:02:44 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 07:02:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 100 members Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 274 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.132 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Thanks to another new member joining today, I would like to point > out that The AM Stereo Forum now has 100 members! Okay, as soon as I typed that, I knew it would jinx itself... let's just say that as of right now, we're 100 members with a -1% margin of error. :-) From groucho@skyweb.net Sat Sep 07 00:28:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 7 Sep 2002 07:28:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 52340 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2002 07:28:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2002 07:28:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2002 07:28:40 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g877SJ5l027121 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 03:28:27 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3D79A9DE.3111CC76@skyweb.net> Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 03:25:18 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Where Have Some of our long-time AMS charter members gone? References: <20020906221105.83971.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Your Welcome... The Indians are slower then us jewish folk. like the jewish Hour.... I call it Indian standard Time. a jewish minute is like 2 hours.. an Indian week is 3 months.. I ordered 100 of the Certificates back in May and Received only 50 on thursday last week. yours was one of the First 12 out.. Neal > > P.S.: Neal, I received the QSL today. ¡Muchas Gracias! > From dav259@csiro.au Sat Sep 07 18:46:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 8 Sep 2002 01:46:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 99029 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2002 01:46:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2002 01:46:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2002 01:46:50 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g881kmk02464 for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 11:46:49 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 11:46:48 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Station IDs and Newscast intros In-Reply-To: <001601c25599$87ec6910$0202a8c0@primary> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Don Johnson wrote: > This isn't technically related to AM Stereo but I figured that somebody > in this audience might know where I could find some audio files of > station identifications. Hi Don - for a pile of old Aussie IDs checkout the jingles shrine at: http://www.radioatwork.com.au/ The Greater 3UZ's are awesome. And several 3AK Good Guy ones of the sixties are the same as KLZ Denver's were only a couple of years ago when they were streaming as Legends. Ian From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sun Sep 08 02:10:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 81365 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2002 09:10:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2002 09:10:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2002 09:10:22 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2002 09:10:22 -0000 Date: 8 Sep 2002 09:10:22 -0000 Message-ID: <1031476222.146343.51805.w5@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /WMNI Stereo.mp3 Uploaded by : jeffdeck2001 Description : An actual AM stereo liner recorded from WMNI Columbus, Ohio on 09/08/2002. This is a departure from not announcing AM stereo in the past. You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/WMNI%20Stereo.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, jeffdeck2001 From sashnron@futurelnk.net Sun Sep 08 02:54:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: sashnron@futurelnk.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 8 Sep 2002 09:54:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 53405 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2002 09:54:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2002 09:54:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.futurelnk.net) (205.162.200.4) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2002 09:54:14 -0000 Received: from laptop (ip-66-45-200-202.nw-tel.com [66.45.200.202]) by mail.futurelnk.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA29969 for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 02:56:08 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01c2571f$2d068580$cac82d42@laptop> To: Subject: TX11a Carver Tuner Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 03:04:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "sashnron" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I recently purchased a Carver TX11a from e-bay that wasn't quite what it was supposed to be. Do you know where I could get some parts for the face? Sincerely, Sascha [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Sep 08 08:10:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 8 Sep 2002 15:10:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 68135 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2002 15:10:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2002 15:10:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2002 15:10:40 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.60]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 11:08:45 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c25749$d49a3420$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: Subject: Target Browse!! Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 11:10:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Once in a great while, you get very lucky! I was in Target yesterday, and picked up one of these boom boxes- a digital tuner and CD that looks like a basketball. What a surprise to find out it converts great to AM Stereo, as a matter of fact, the AM is BETTER than the FM! and for $29.95! I think it looks cool as well as sounds good too- Here is a link to it at Target (they have an exclusive on this)- Get one! Chris http://www.target.com/gp/browse.html/602-7716109-5327012?page=2&index=target &field%2dbrowse=1042092&size=12&node=1042092 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Sep 08 08:13:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 8 Sep 2002 15:13:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 30856 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2002 15:13:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2002 15:13:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2002 15:13:14 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.60]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 11:11:19 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c2574a$30c357e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <000801c25749$d49a3420$0101a8c0@pavilion> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Target Browse!! Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 11:12:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 You may have to cut & paste the URL.... Or go to our group home page and click on "photos"- I put a pic of mine there. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher Cuff From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun Sep 08 08:30:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 8 Sep 2002 15:30:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 74194 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2002 15:30:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2002 15:30:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2002 15:30:52 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d9-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.41]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g88FUpP63701 for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 08:30:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <026001c2574c$609e18e0$bbd63fd1@kredding430cdt> To: References: <000801c25749$d49a3420$0101a8c0@pavilion> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Target Browse!! Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 08:28:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Once in a great while, you get very lucky! I was in Target yesterday, and > picked up one of these boom boxes- a digital tuner and CD that looks like a > basketball. This is that red one made by Memorex? > What a surprise to find out it converts great to AM Stereo, as a matter of > fact, the AM is BETTER than the FM! and for $29.95! It looks like it has a digital readout. Heres the two big questions.... Will it DX and does it sound ok? I realize we are talking about a $30 boombox. Kevin From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Sep 08 12:15:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 8 Sep 2002 19:15:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 30981 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2002 19:15:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2002 19:15:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2002 19:15:21 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.99]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 15:13:26 -0400 Message-ID: <001301c2576c$03153080$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <000801c25749$d49a3420$0101a8c0@pavilion> <026001c2574c$609e18e0$bbd63fd1@kredding430cdt> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Target Browse!! Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 15:14:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Yes, It is the Memorex, and it does have digital readout. It does a better than average job at DXing AM, and not as good on FM- To keep it styled wierd, they opted for a very short FM rod, and it doesn't get FM well - but AM, the ferrite is good. The biggest surprise is the bandwidth on AM. The fidelity is amazing- I cannot measure except by ear, but it is bright and crisp- even down at the low end of the dial. This morning, I was able to track 880 and 890, and kep them separated, with only a little cross talk. Best of all, the interface of the decoder is easy. No mods- just pop off the bottom, tack in 5 wires (remove nothing, cut nothing) and add a small LED for the AMS indicator. That's it. cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin - Mesa, Arizona From just_rtfm@yahoo.com Mon Sep 09 18:08:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: just_rtfm@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 10 Sep 2002 01:08:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 34827 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2002 01:08:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2002 01:08:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2002 01:08:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2002 01:08:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 01:08:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Current Stereo-AM Capable Radios? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 366 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "just_rtfm" X-Originating-IP: 64.78.68.49 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=90050478 X-Yahoo-Profile: just_rtfm hi everyone: what current production radios are stereo AM capable? btw, i have performed two mods (not stereo reception related) on my ICOM R75 communications receiver that revolve around its C-QUAM Advanced Medium Voltage AM Stereo Decoder chip (Motorola MC13022A). this radio will receive MW... has anyone on here fooled with this radio? thank you, phil :) From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Sep 09 18:23:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 10 Sep 2002 01:23:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 62328 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2002 01:23:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2002 01:23:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2002 01:23:23 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-234.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.234]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g8A1J4Zj004227 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 20:19:06 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004001c25868$c9e709c0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <000c01c2571f$2d068580$cac82d42@laptop> Subject: Re: {AMSF} TX11a Carver Tuner Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 20:24:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Unfortunately Carver is no longer in business. Your only hope would be to find one that's in physically good shape but got zapped by lightning or some such and make one good one out of the two. Hope you left some nasty negative feedback for the seller. Thanks for joining us, Sasha- I think you're the first female of the group. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "sashnron" > I recently purchased a Carver TX11a from e-bay that wasn't quite what it was supposed to be. Do you know where I could get some parts for the face? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Sep 09 19:04:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 10 Sep 2002 02:04:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 93970 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2002 02:04:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2002 02:04:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2002 02:04:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2002 02:04:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 02:04:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} TX11a Carver Tuner Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004001c25868$c9e709c0$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 529 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kevtronics" X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.51 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics >> Unfortunately Carver is no longer in business. << I thought Bob Carver was starting up the company again? At least that's what I've heard, in the past year or so. >> Thanks for joining us, Sasha- I think you're the first female of the group. << Hmm... it would be safer to not assume that... on the radio I've heard news and traffic reporters with the names "Ashley" and "Karen" that are both male! I believe Karen McQue (sp?) was on NYC-area Shadow Traffic, while Ashley Martella (sp?) was doing news on 710 WOR. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Sep 09 20:04:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 10 Sep 2002 03:04:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 23549 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2002 03:04:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2002 03:04:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2002 03:04:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2002 03:04:01 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 03:04:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: eBay AM Stereo roundup Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1164 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.89.51 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Delco UX-1 car radio, 20 hours left @ $26.00: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1378404721 Carver TX-11b tuner, "brand new" condition, but not cheap!: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1379006664 Sony SRF-42 Walkman, with a bid price approaching twice what it cost new: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1379224890 A basic Toyota car radio with AM Stereo and Narrow/Wide Bandwidth, current bid $5.00: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1857666336 Something for the collectors... a 1985 Canadian hockey sticker with the CHQR 810 AM Stereo logo on it: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1857569269 An old coffee mug for KUZZ in Bakersfield, CA that ambiguously says "Stereo" underneath both "108 FM" and "800 AM". I'm not sure if KUZZ was in AM Stereo before they moved to their current 550 kHz frequency (which I do have listed as being in Stereo), and it looks *old*... maybe '50s, '60s? Perhaps this was an early combo broadcast with one channel on AM and the other on FM? Interesting nonetheless.... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2138543908 From dav259@csiro.au Mon Sep 09 20:53:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 10 Sep 2002 03:53:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 53104 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2002 03:53:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2002 03:53:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2002 03:53:15 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8A3rDc09577 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 13:53:13 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 13:53:13 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} TX11a Carver Tuner In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, kevtronics wrote: > Hmm... it would be safer to not assume that... on the radio I've > heard news and traffic reporters with the names "Ashley" and "Karen" > that are both male! I believe Karen McQue (sp?) was on NYC-area > Shadow Traffic, while Ashley Martella (sp?) was doing news on 710 > WOR. 3AW is doing breakfasts from 710 WOR's New York City studios all this week. Is it a talk station? They played some catchy WOR jingles this morning. (Much better than their own dreary ones.) From narkspud@hotmail.com Mon Sep 09 21:29:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 10 Sep 2002 04:29:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 96026 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2002 04:14:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2002 04:14:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.16) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2002 04:14:17 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 21:14:17 -0700 Received: from 66.159.192.39 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 04:14:16 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} TX11a Carver Tuner Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 21:14:16 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Sep 2002 04:14:17.0043 (UTC) FILETIME=[87658230:01C25880] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [66.159.192.39] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud Nay, nay, says I. Carver is now a division of Bob's new outfit, Sunfire Corporation, and they will do repair work on old Carver equipment if parts can still be obtained. Be advised, though, that parts for the face may be hard to come by. 425-335-4748. Give 'em a call and see what they say. Good luck, Sasha. narkspud on 9/9/02 6:24 PM, Scott Todd at stodd@sherbtel.net wrote: Unfortunately Carver is no longer in business. Your only hope would be to find one that's in physically good shape but got zapped by lightning or some such and make one good one out of the two. Hope you left some nasty negative feedback for the seller. Thanks for joining us, Sasha- I think you're the first female of the group. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "sashnron" >I recently purchased a Carver TX11a from e-bay that wasn't quite what it was supposed to be. Do you know where I could get some parts for the face? _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From alfredot@inetarena.com Tue Sep 10 00:34:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredot@inetarena.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 10 Sep 2002 07:34:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 83625 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2002 07:34:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2002 07:34:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2002 07:34:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2002 07:34:02 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 07:34:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Burning Man 1610 status? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020819073214.83845.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 990 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "alfredotorrejon" X-Originating-IP: 216.99.201.70 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25132238 X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon Unfortunately, I wasn't able to pull it off this year. The guy who was going to provide the tower for me to use forgot to bring the tower base. In a way, I'm glad that I didn't set up this year (though I had the station all ready to go) because I don't think that I had adequate shelter for my equipment. There was a dust/rain storm on Friday that I think might have caused damage if I'd been operating. I'm going to try again next year, and I will try to invest in a Titanex 160 meter vertical antenna and a used tent trailer. This might be somewhat of a challenge, as I discovered upon my return from Burning Man that my employer had layoffs while I was away...You guessed it, I am now looking for a job. The good news is that there were a number of people at Burning man who were excited about the prospect of getting a new radio station next year. Alfredo --- In amstereoforum@y..., JNR wrote: > How is Alfredo's 1610 @ Burning Man coming along? From alfredot@inetarena.com Tue Sep 10 01:26:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredot@inetarena.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 10 Sep 2002 08:26:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 26902 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2002 08:26:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2002 08:26:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2002 08:26:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2002 08:26:37 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 08:26:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Where Has Some of our long-time AMS charter members gone? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020906182009.68381.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1564 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "alfredotorrejon" X-Originating-IP: 216.99.219.152 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25132238 X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon --- In amstereoforum@y..., Johnny Electron wrote: > Anybody know what's the scoop with some of our seasoned AMS pros? > - Alex K.? > - Dom ? > - Darwin ? > - Alredo ? Before any weird rumors start going around (appropriate now, as Art Bell is playing in the background), I temporarily signed myself off the list to devote time to last minute preparations to set up an AM Stereo station at Burning Man. Unfortunately, this did not happen, and when I returned from the festival, I learned that I had lost my job at TriQuint Semiconductor to a layoff. I'll turn my e-mail list subscription back on, but as I am concerned that money might be tight during the next few months, I probably won't make much progress towards doing AM Stereo at Burning Man 2003. One of the things that I worked on to prepare for Burning Man 2002 was a 50 watt (PEP) linear amplifier using four MRF475 CB radio transistors in a push-pull-parallel arrangement. Possibly due to device mismatch (the beta of the transistors ranged from 50-80), I wasn't able to get the full 50 watts out of the amplifier, and there was quite a bit of even-harmonic distortion. Fortunately, I found out that the 2SC1969 is almost a direct replacement for the MRF475, and it is much cheaper--RF Parts sells a bag of 10 of these for about $25.00. I really do want to get the station on the air in 2003, and I have several people who are interested in staffing it. It's just a question of getting the linear amp working properly and of getting an antenna. Alfredo From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Sep 10 06:47:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 10 Sep 2002 13:47:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 99864 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2002 13:47:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2002 13:47:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster1.vcn.com) (209.193.72.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2002 13:47:51 -0000 Received: from keva (unverified [63.175.110.110]) by m1-cluster1.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 07:47:51 -0600 Message-ID: <006a01c258d0$a842ff00$0701010a@keva> To: Subject: air checks Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 07:47:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi guys I'm wondering if I missed a bunch of messages or something. Sometimes my email program at my shop gets left online overnight. Did anyone get the messages about the air checks last Friday? The ones I made directly from the air monitor here in the studio? I would have thought they'd have been downloaded and expected a message or two about how they sounded. I don't see anything, though. Like I said...I'm wondering if the messages never got there or something. Hmmmmmmmm. Just curious. They're there in the Wyoming folder at the FTP site that I set up at 209.193.86.116/north-america/USA MJR n WYO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From philipr@irac.pe.ca Tue Sep 10 07:16:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 10 Sep 2002 14:16:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 12042 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2002 14:16:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2002 14:16:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2002 14:16:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2002 14:16:37 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:16:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Some sad news Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 550 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking I see from the CRTC website that CJLS AM Stereo 1340 Yarmouth NS has applied to flip to 18,000 watts ERP of Class B1 FM. CJLS has a terriffic AM Stereo sound - they will be missed. With the pending demise of CJFX AM Stereo, this will leave the recently returned to music CJCH as the sole AM Stereo voice in Nova Scotia. On a brighter note, CJLS is a great locally owned and operated station. Having all three transmitting sites in FM may help to ensure its continued financial health. Thank goodness for Alfredo-Lite transmitters! Phil From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Tue Sep 10 07:25:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 10 Sep 2002 14:25:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 24647 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2002 14:25:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2002 14:25:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.165.32) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2002 14:25:17 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 07:25:16 -0700 Received: from 208.228.96.20 by sea2fd.sea2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:25:16 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} air checks Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:25:16 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Sep 2002 14:25:16.0818 (UTC) FILETIME=[E2533F20:01C258D5] From: "Chris Cuff" X-Originating-IP: [208.228.96.20] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059 It came thru here Michael- it has been just totally dead on the list lately. One interesting thing I noticed is that although we have 100 members now, 47 are set for No Email, or special notices only, which is nearly as bad. This is puzzling to me... Chris >From: "Michael J. Richard" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From narkspud@hotmail.com Tue Sep 10 07:35:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 10 Sep 2002 14:35:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 85622 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2002 14:35:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2002 14:35:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.43) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2002 14:35:29 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 07:35:29 -0700 Received: from 67.89.146.146 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:35:28 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: {AMSF} No Email Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 07:35:28 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Sep 2002 14:35:29.0218 (UTC) FILETIME=[4F581220:01C258D7] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.89.146.146] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud It's probably folks reading through the Yahoo interface. You still have to sign up to access it. Can't say I blame them--there was a while in there that I was using it myself, as somewhere between yahoo and hotmail, messages were getting delayed by as much as two weeks. Seems to have cleared up now. narkspud >From: "Chris Cuff" >Subject: Re: {AMSF} air checks >Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:25:16 -0400 >It came thru here Michael- it has been just totally dead on the list >lately. >One interesting thing I noticed is that although we have 100 members now, >47 >are set for No Email, or special notices only, which is nearly as bad. This >is puzzling to me... >Chris _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From mwradio@gmx.net Tue Sep 10 07:45:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mwradio@gmx.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 10 Sep 2002 14:45:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 57819 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2002 14:45:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2002 14:45:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.dnbsi.com) (207.229.108.169) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2002 14:45:07 -0000 Received: from espositojm2 (0-1pool194-191.nas10.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net [65.128.194.191]) by smtp.dnbsi.com (Postfix) with SMTP id B1FF4CF6A for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 07:45:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <017601c258d8$a5076260$06630780@espositojm2> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} air checks Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:45:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Joe Esposito" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=93604673 X-Yahoo-Profile: espositojm I may not post much here but I do read nearly every message sent. Chris, if possible can you provide some details on how to install your decoder in that Target radio. I may buy it for my two year old daughter... :~} 1210 WPHT comes in clear here in Central, PA. 1250 WQXA in York is no longer in Stereo. 1490 WLPA in Lancaster, PA is broadcasting in Stereo but currently is a Sporting News Radio affiliate. When I go back home to Johnstown I can hear 1160 WCCS in Indiana in Stereo. They also still play AC music and polka on weekends! I recently demonstrated your Alfredo Lite Transmitter to the AM Radio Station at my former college. While a few of the students loved the idea of transmitting in AM Stereo, the Professor nixed the idea. I even had some of the EE's wanting to convert some radios.... Oh Well....... Joe Esposito ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Cuff" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 10:25 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} air checks > It came thru here Michael- it has been just totally dead on the list lately. > One interesting thing I noticed is that although we have 100 members now, 47 > are set for No Email, or special notices only, which is nearly as bad. This > is puzzling to me... > Chris From narkspud@hotmail.com Tue Sep 10 07:49:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 10 Sep 2002 14:49:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 68022 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2002 14:49:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2002 14:49:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.20) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2002 14:49:14 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 07:49:14 -0700 Received: from 67.89.146.146 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:49:14 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} air checks Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 07:49:14 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Sep 2002 14:49:14.0481 (UTC) FILETIME=[3B3D3610:01C258D9] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [67.89.146.146] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud I got the airchecks too, Michael. I'll don my asbestos underwear and declare (with malice toward none and in hopes of not causing any offence) that I thought the earlier ones from the SRF-42 actually sounded better. Does the air monitor have the deemphasis switched on? It seemed a bit shrill. Those wishing to criticise some airchecks I recorded are invited to the California folder for some new ones of KDIS (Radio Disney) Los Angeles, recorded from an SRF-A100 located mere yards from their antenna array. narkspud _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Sep 10 08:18:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 10 Sep 2002 15:18:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 41906 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2002 15:18:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2002 15:18:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2-cluster1.vcn.com) (209.193.72.32) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2002 15:18:57 -0000 Received: from keva (unverified [63.175.110.110]) by m2-cluster1.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:18:57 -0600 Message-ID: <009901c258dd$626e2ec0$0701010a@keva> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} air checks Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:18:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the comments I was just curious as to what folks thought. As far as I can see...this monitor doesn't have a "de-emphasis switch" on it. It's broadband and it's just there. It sounds really really awesome here in the studio. I wish I could convey that sound to everyone else. Like I said...it too may have been a problem with my laptop. Before converting to MP3, the audio was 44khz stereo WAV. But I think the input was a little off or whatever. Things still changing almost on a daily basis. This morning I walked in and had no left channel. And it was a switch on one of the processors. Since I have no contact cleaner spray, just dabbed my finger in alcohol and let a few drops run down the shaft of the switch and inside....then exercised it. Worked like a charm. Need to do that to all of the switches. I think I'm blaming the exciter when it's actually some dirty switches on the processing. That was also the cause of the "spiking" and level-jumping that was going on. A switch on the back that controls the output level. So.....still a work in progress I guess. MJR ----- Original Message ----- From: . Narkspud To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 8:49 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} air checks I got the airchecks too, Michael. I'll don my asbestos underwear and declare (with malice toward none and in hopes of not causing any offence) that I thought the earlier ones from the SRF-42 actually sounded better. Does the air monitor have the deemphasis switched on? It seemed a bit shrill. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Sep 10 13:32:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 10 Sep 2002 20:32:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 24469 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2002 20:32:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2002 20:32:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2002 20:32:41 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.69]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:30:11 -0400 Message-ID: <002c01c25909$24b64d20$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <017601c258d8$a5076260$06630780@espositojm2> Subject: Re: {AMSF} air checks Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:32:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Yup- I am going to snap a pic or 2 very soon. I should have done it while I had it apart the first time... cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Esposito > > Chris, if possible can you provide some details on how to install your > decoder in that Target radio. > I may buy it for my two year old daughter... :~} From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Sep 10 13:54:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 10 Sep 2002 20:54:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 92524 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2002 20:54:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2002 20:54:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2002 20:54:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2002 20:54:25 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:54:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} air checks Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1820 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.68.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > One interesting thing I noticed is that although we have 100 > members now, 47 are set for No Email, or special notices only, > which is nearly as bad. This is puzzling to me... I would just like to point out that as the creator of this group, I am subscribed to it in "Special Messages Only" mode. And of the 14 other Yahoo Groups I belong to, they are all set to "No E-Mail". Even in Daily Digest mode, having a busy group send its messages to your e-mail box can create a big mess, and it becomes an even bigger mess when you are trying to reply to messages. Even with all the advertisements (which can be mostly eliminated by turning OFF JavaScript and automatic image loading in your browser), the Yahoo Groups web interface is more convenient, as it allows a level of interactivity that e-mail lacks. The best feature to me is that messages you have read are marked with a different color in your web browser as "visited links", so once you check into a group, you can instantly distinguish any new messages you haven't read yet, and even if you skip around and don't read them in sequence, it still keeps track for you. Nevertheless, just like with any other group, there *are* a number of "lurkers" here who rarely or never post any messages, and may only read a small portion of the messages that are posted here. We can't *force* these people to be more active, as their lifestyle may prohibit it -- I know it's hard enough for me, with a part-time job during the day and college classes in the evening; my time out of the house can easily extend from 9:30 AM to 10:30 PM. Not everybody has time to keep up with a group that has dozens of new messages posted daily, and I don't think that makes them any less of a valuable member than the people who contribute frequently here. From michaelj@vcn.com Tue Sep 10 14:20:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 10 Sep 2002 21:20:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 34419 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2002 21:20:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2002 21:20:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster2.vcn.com) (209.193.72.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2002 21:20:06 -0000 Received: from michael (vcn79.usrtc-1.evan.wy.vcn.com [209.193.86.83]) by m1-cluster2.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:20:05 -0600 To: Subject: RE: {AMSF} air checks Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:20:03 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just downloaded them there KDIS air checks! AWESOME!!!!!! VERY nice sound! Extremely clean! I love this stuff!! Demonstrates the awesome sound of AM Stereo and of course the spectacular sound of the SRF-A100! (MAN I want one of those!. Well..me and a hundred other people :( ) And by the way guys....no, there is no "upload here please" folder. This is my setup....not Dennis'.....and I trust you if you have an aircheck for a station in North Dakota, that you'll put it in the North Dakota folder (duh!). Otherwise...if you need to drop something in and don't know what to do with it, just drop it right there in the root folder. I'll place it. Michael n WYO -----Original Message----- From: . Narkspud [mailto:narkspud@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 8:49 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} air checks I got the airchecks too, Michael. I'll don my asbestos underwear and declare (with malice toward none and in hopes of not causing any offence) that I thought the earlier ones from the SRF-42 actually sounded better. Does the air monitor have the deemphasis switched on? It seemed a bit shrill. Those wishing to criticise some airchecks I recorded are invited to the California folder for some new ones of KDIS (Radio Disney) Los Angeles, recorded from an SRF-A100 located mere yards from their antenna array. narkspud [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Sep 10 17:41:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 11 Sep 2002 00:41:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 43445 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 00:41:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2002 00:41:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 00:41:44 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-77.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.77]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g8B0bBZj019610 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:37:26 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001501c2592c$24d3f960$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} TX11a Carver Tuner Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:42:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude On something like this, it's nice to find out I'm wrong. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: ". Narkspud" > Nay, nay, says I. Carver is now a division of Bob's new outfit, Sunfire > Corporation, From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Sep 10 17:45:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 11 Sep 2002 00:45:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 94065 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 00:45:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2002 00:45:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 00:45:31 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-77.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.77]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g8B0emZj020311 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:40:49 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001b01c2592c$9e1e1580$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Where Has Some of our long-time AMS charter members gone? Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:46:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Wouldn't it be easier to tap off the QUAM signal, amplify it class-C and then modulate the 50w carrier? ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "alfredotorrejon" > It's just a > question of getting the linear amp working properly and of getting an > antenna. From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Sep 10 17:52:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 11 Sep 2002 00:52:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 21541 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 00:52:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2002 00:52:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 00:52:25 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-77.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.77]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g8B0m5Zj021766 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:48:06 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003201c2592d$a2957760$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} air checks Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:53:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Speaking of RD, looks like ABC might be buying WKSH in the Milwaukee market. I'm kinda bummed because they played some great praise and worship music, but in a way not surprised. They really didn't have a clue as to what makes good, let alone great, radio, and they have far more competition now than even a couple years ago. I'd be surprised if the stereo went away, because everything about the station is stereo. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael J. Richard" > Those wishing to criticise some airchecks I recorded are invited to the > California folder for some new ones of KDIS (Radio Disney) Los Angeles, > recorded from an SRF-A100 located mere yards from their antenna array. From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Sep 10 17:57:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 11 Sep 2002 00:57:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 13340 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 00:57:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2002 00:57:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 00:57:30 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-77.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.77]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g8B0r9Zj022783 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:53:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003c01c2592e$581da260$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Current Stereo-AM Capable Radios? Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:58:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude The only ones we're aware of are a handful of high end OEM car radios, and a few home stereos that list member Chuck Simpson imports at www.stereoam.com. If you've REALLY got the bucks, the Fanfare FT-100A. Other than that, you have to convert your own. We're hoping to somehow design and market a radio ourselves, but the biggest holdup is the green. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "just_rtfm" > what current production radios are stereo AM capable? btw, i have > performed two mods (not stereo reception related) on my ICOM R75 > communications receiver that revolve around its C-QUAM Advanced > Medium Voltage AM Stereo Decoder chip (Motorola MC13022A). this radio > will receive MW... has anyone on here fooled with this radio? From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Sep 10 18:00:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 11 Sep 2002 01:00:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 90102 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 01:00:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2002 01:00:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 01:00:30 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-77.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.77]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g8B0uAZj023450 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:56:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004201c2592e$c3e493a0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} TX11a Carver Tuner Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:01:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude The Johnny Cash song "A Boy Named Sue" comes to mind. And to answer Ian's question- yes it is. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Davidson" > > Hmm... it would be safer to not assume that... on the radio I've > > heard news and traffic reporters with the names "Ashley" and "Karen" > > that are both male! I believe Karen McQue (sp?) was on NYC-area > > Shadow Traffic, while Ashley Martella (sp?) was doing news on 710 > > WOR. > > 3AW is doing breakfasts from 710 WOR's New York City studios all this > week. Is it a talk station? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Sep 10 18:53:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 11 Sep 2002 01:53:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 52864 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 01:53:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2002 01:53:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 01:53:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2002 01:53:10 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 01:53:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: 790 CIGM / NYC TV&FM, a year later... Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1902 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.71.26 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics The following excerpt is from the Northeast Radio Watch at www.fybush.com.... hopefully CIGM will fix their lack of an AM Stereo pilot tone as well -- for *years* now, they have been broadcasting excellent true Stereo sound, but with no pilot tone, so only Sony-type "forced Stereo" radios can hear it in Stereo. However, if they finally put the pilot back on, it won't make much difference to us listeners in the USA who won't be able to hear them anymore at night as they start using their correct nighttime signal pattern: ==================================================================== And in Sudbury, we hear CIGM (790) was admonished by the CRTC for leaving its daytime pattern on all night. Been hearing CIGM's country music down in the U.S.? You won't hear it as well anymore; we're told the station has fixed its long-broken equipment to switch to a directional pattern at night, aimed away from the States. =================================================================== This week's Northeast Radio Watch at http://www.fybush.com/ also contains an *excellent* write-up on how the events a year ago affected FM and TV broadcasting in New York City. It details how the stations formerly broadcasting from the WTC scrambled to set up temporary alternative transmitters and how they have now mostly moved to the top of the very crowded Empire State Building. As the write-up mentions, it is also interesting to note that Ch. 2 WCBS-TV's backup transmitter at the ESB, which provided the New York City region with its only fully viewable VHF TV signal for quite a while after 9/11/01, was a 35-year-old tube-type Harris transmitter. By now it has been replaced with a modern unit, but I'm sure the engineer who decided to keep the old transmitter in working condition for decades after WCBS-TV's main transmitter moved to the WTC is still being thanked today. From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Sep 10 20:18:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 11 Sep 2002 03:18:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 81759 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 03:18:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2002 03:18:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 03:18:01 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8B3HoB3085278 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:17:50 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3D7EB518.D18F84C9@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:14:32 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} air checks References: <017601c258d8$a5076260$06630780@espositojm2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 I guess your radio Does not cover Expanded band LOL.. 1680 WTTM princeton ,NJ covers Central PA and is in Full AM Stereo.... Neal. Joe Esposito wrote: > I may not post much here but I do read nearly every message sent. > > Chris, if possible can you provide some details on how to install your > decoder in that Target radio. > I may buy it for my two year old daughter... :~} > > 1210 WPHT comes in clear here in Central, PA. 1250 WQXA in York is no > longer in Stereo. 1490 WLPA in Lancaster, PA is broadcasting in Stereo but > currently is a Sporting News Radio affiliate. > > When I go back home to Johnstown I can hear 1160 WCCS in Indiana in Stereo. > They also still play AC music and polka on weekends! > > I recently demonstrated your Alfredo Lite Transmitter to the AM Radio > Station at my former college. While a few of the students loved the idea of > transmitting in AM Stereo, the Professor nixed the idea. I even had some of > the EE's wanting to convert some radios.... Oh Well....... > > Joe Esposito > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Cuff" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 10:25 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} air checks > > > It came thru here Michael- it has been just totally dead on the list > lately. > > One interesting thing I noticed is that although we have 100 members now, > 47 > > are set for No Email, or special notices only, which is nearly as bad. > This > > is puzzling to me... > > Chris > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From mwradio@gmx.net Tue Sep 10 22:25:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mwradio@gmx.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 11 Sep 2002 05:25:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 22299 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 05:25:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2002 05:25:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO userweb.suscom.net) (64.78.119.248) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 05:25:15 -0000 Received: from localhost (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 987A110F272 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 01:25:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from winxp8n21zgild (ip1.65.susc.suscom.net [64.78.65.1]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1A23210F270 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 01:25:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <007301c25953$9696fb70$01414e40@winxp8n21zgild> To: References: <017601c258d8$a5076260$06630780@espositojm2> <3D7EB518.D18F84C9@skyweb.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} air checks Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 01:23:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 From: "Joe Esposito" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=93604673 X-Yahoo-Profile: espositojm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Newman" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 11:14 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} air checks > I guess your radio Does not cover Expanded band LOL.. > 1680 WTTM princeton ,NJ covers Central PA and is in Full AM Stereo.... > Neal. > Sorry I left that one out. My modified dx-398 used with a tuneable loop antenna can hear WTTM very clearly! Joe Esposito From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Sep 10 23:36:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 11 Sep 2002 06:36:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 41621 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 06:36:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2002 06:36:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11705.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 06:36:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20020911063601.48873.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.33.172] by web11705.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:36:01 PDT Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:36:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Burning Man 1610 status? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Good luck in that endeavo(u)r (sp.?) What was 1610's format to be? Jay __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute From dav259@csiro.au Wed Sep 11 02:18:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 11 Sep 2002 09:18:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 16234 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 09:18:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2002 09:18:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 09:18:32 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8B9ITc14966; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:18:29 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:18:29 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum , AM Stereo Experience Subject: Tragedy in NYC (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 18:38:09 +1000 (EST) From: Ian Davidson To: IAAAS list , AM stereo egroup Subject: Tragedy in NYC To our brothers and sisters in America the thoughts of all of us Downunder are with you. Lest we forget. + God bless America + --+-- --+-- --+-- --+-- --+-- --+-- The above was written 364 days ago ... in somewhat of a state of shock. America - we are proud of you! You are a very resilient people - and have displayed courage, restraint, and honour. None of us will ever forget this disgraceful act. The media comes alive at times like this. Our radio stations have been having flashbacks all day. And our two most successful TV networks are covering the anniversary from straight after their 6 o'clock news services till 06:00 tomorrow morning. And our ABC-TV is there - with live coverage till well after midnight. We are with you! + God bless America + Davo Downunder From ccuff@in4web.com Wed Sep 11 02:35:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 11 Sep 2002 09:35:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 38005 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 09:35:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2002 09:35:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 09:35:54 -0000 Received: from Chris1 (unverified [208.228.96.20]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.3.228) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 05:33:27 -0400 Message-ID: <001c01c25976$9f77d980$0d01a8c0@Chris1> To: Subject: memorex mod pix Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 05:35:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Chris Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have now put the pix of the Memorex mod on the forum's pic area. The cabinet has 8 screws on the back- 6 around the perimeter, one in the battery compartment, and one inside the hand grip. The back will lift off, and then you can unplug the DC power connector to the back. No further disassembly is needed. I added my LED right over the headphone jack, but it can be put anywhere you like. Work on a soft cloth- the plexi dome is easy to scratch. chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From philipr@irac.pe.ca Wed Sep 11 08:00:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 11 Sep 2002 15:00:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 68701 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 15:00:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2002 15:00:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 15:00:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2002 15:00:26 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:00:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: memorex mod pix Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001c01c25976$9f77d980$0d01a8c0@Chris1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 915 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Chris, I see Target doesn't ship internationally - any chance that you may be selling these as modified with your decoder? Either direct or on ebay? Looking at the photos, it certainly looks like an easy modification. I think I'll check our local Wal-Mart - as Walmart Canada used to sell some Memorex stuff. Phil --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Chris Cuff" wrote: > I have now put the pix of the Memorex mod on the forum's pic area. > The cabinet has 8 screws on the back- 6 around the perimeter, one in the battery compartment, and one inside the hand grip. > The back will lift off, and then you can unplug the DC power connector to the back. No further disassembly is needed. I added my LED right over the headphone jack, but it can be put anywhere you like. > Work on a soft cloth- the plexi dome is easy to scratch. > chris > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Wed Sep 11 08:56:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 11 Sep 2002 15:55:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 83485 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 15:55:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2002 15:55:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.165.118) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 15:55:59 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:55:58 -0700 Received: from 208.228.96.20 by sea2fd.sea2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:55:58 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: memorex mod pix Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:55:58 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Sep 2002 15:55:58.0860 (UTC) FILETIME=[B872B4C0:01C259AB] From: "Chris Cuff" X-Originating-IP: [208.228.96.20] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059 Sure Phil- I am also going to f. err... play with them to find the 9khz stepping, if it has one. I thinkit does... cc >From: "Phil Rafuse" >Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com >Subject: {AMSF} Re: memorex mod pix >Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:00:23 -0000 > > >Chris, I see Target doesn't ship internationally - any chance that >you may be selling these as modified with your decoder? Either >direct or on ebay? Looking at the photos, it certainly looks like >an easy modification. I think I'll check our local Wal-Mart - as >Walmart Canada used to sell some Memorex stuff. > >Phil > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Sep 11 12:42:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 11 Sep 2002 19:42:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 16870 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 19:42:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2002 19:42:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11706.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 19:42:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20020911194202.66458.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.33.172] by web11706.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:42:02 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:42:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tragedy in NYC (fwd) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Thank you. To all of you supporting all of us in the U.S., thank you. I wish I could make this greeting in capitals: 73 and much love, Jay,N1WVQ East Providence, R.I.; 156 miles from N.Y.C.. __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Sep 11 13:49:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 11 Sep 2002 20:49:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 64221 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 20:49:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2002 20:49:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 20:49:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20020911204935.81748.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:49:35 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:49:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Target Radio at stores, or only on the web? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Christopher: is the Memorex CD Ball Radio available at the Target retail stores at the $10 off price, or only on the Target website? Does it have any decent bass response, or just excellent high-end response? __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Sep 11 17:49:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 12 Sep 2002 00:49:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 49558 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 00:49:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2002 00:49:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 00:49:27 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-157.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.157]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g8C0j7Zj007003 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:45:08 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004301c259f6$647f81e0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <001c01c25976$9f77d980$0d01a8c0@Chris1> Subject: Re: {AMSF} memorex mod pix Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:50:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Do you have to cut any traces or remove any components to kill the stock AM mono audio? ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Cuff" > I have now put the pix of the Memorex mod on the forum's pic area. From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Sep 11 17:50:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 12 Sep 2002 00:50:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 59366 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 00:50:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2002 00:50:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 00:50:54 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-157.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.157]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g8C0kYZj007263 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:46:35 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004901c259f6$989629c0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 790 CIGM / NYC TV&FM, a year later... Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:51:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude That thing deserves to be in a museum, but likely it was trashed. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > WCBS-TV's backup transmitter at the ESB, which provided the New York > City region with its only fully viewable VHF TV signal for quite a > while after 9/11/01, was a 35-year-old tube-type Harris transmitter. > By now it has been replaced with a modern unit, From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Sep 11 19:33:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 12 Sep 2002 02:33:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 2910 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 02:33:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2002 02:33:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14205.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.151) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 02:33:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20020912023356.23678.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.127.54.199] by web14205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:33:56 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:33:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: I need De-Caf To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I had too much coffee, so I wrote a long blow-out message on my comments regarding IBOC digital radio (as opposed to working analog C-Quam) tonight on the radio-tech broadcast group, and promoted the Fanfare receiver as an option, in addition to fixing the programming. I'm curious to see how soon until the bricks hit me on this one after I opened the digital can of worms. I'll share some comments with you so you can see where some of the broadcasting world is coming from on IBOC, vs our intellect here! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From KC4QLP@aol.com Wed Sep 11 21:00:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 12 Sep 2002 04:00:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 43839 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 04:00:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2002 04:00:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d07.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 04:00:10 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.173.e5e2a13 (16781) for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 00:00:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <173.e5e2a13.2ab16b44@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 00:00:04 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} I need De-Caf To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 9/11/02 10:37:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, toledohamradio@yahoo.com writes: << had too much coffee, so I wrote a long blow-out message on my comments regarding IBOC digital radio (as opposed to working analog C-Quam) tonight on the radio-tech broadcast group, and promoted the Fanfare receiver as an option, in addition to fixing the programming. I'm curious to see how soon until the bricks hit me on this one after I opened the digital can of worms. I'll share some comments with you so you can see where some of the broadcasting world is coming from on IBOC, vs our intellect here! >> Oh ME! . {hides under table with hard hat on} you've started a good onwe this time..LOL Just thankful that we made it through 9-11-02 without any incidents. Its been a roller coaster ride emotionally today and glad that its now over. Now lets go kick some @$$ in the Middle East! Terrorism WILL fall ...USA WILL remain FREE! 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The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From n0uiheric@aol.com Wed Sep 11 22:14:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 12 Sep 2002 05:14:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 44448 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 05:14:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2002 05:14:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r07.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.103) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 05:14:12 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.c1.26b76454 (18251) for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 01:13:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 01:13:58 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} air checks To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih Radio Disney's outlets in Dallas and Los Angeles, as far as I know, are Stereo. I think their Chicago station is, too. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Sep 11 23:42:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 12 Sep 2002 06:42:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 18756 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 06:42:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2002 06:42:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 06:42:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2002 06:42:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 06:42:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Radio Disney Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1380 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.130 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Radio Disney's outlets in Dallas and Los Angeles, as far as I know, > are Stereo. I think their Chicago station is, too. The latest list of AM Stereo stations shows these as being Radio Disney affiliates: KDIS - 710 AM STEREO Los Angeles, CA (Radio Disney) KAVT - 1680 AM STEREO Fresno, CA (Radio Disney) KADZ - 1690 AM STEREO Arvada, CO (Radio Disney) WRDZ - 1300 AM STEREO La Grange, IL (Radio Disney) KMKI - 620 AM STEREO Dallas, TX (Radio Disney) I can personally confirm 1690 in the Denver area and 1300 in the Chicago area as being in full Stereo, or at least as much as Disney's somewhat wishy-washy satellite audio feed allows -- some affiliate stations sound *great* (such as mono 1560 WQEW in NYC), while others sound like they're taking it from a 16 kbps RealAudio stream (such as mono 640 WWJZ in the Philly area), and in Stereo, the separation usually isn't quite as wide as it could be (as you can hear in the recording of 710 KDIS playing a Beatles song). Speaking of Radio Disney on 1560 WQEW, a few months ago they were allegedly broadcasting in full, glorious true AM Stereo sound for a couple hours one night, only to return to their normal, bland mono. The only cause for this I can presume is that their engineer was checking the transmitter equipment, and flipped on the C-Quam exciter just to make sure it still works. From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Sep 12 00:48:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 12 Sep 2002 07:48:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 73348 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 07:48:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2002 07:48:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 07:48:33 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.50]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.4.232) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 03:46:10 -0400 Message-ID: <002401c25a30$a3eddcc0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: <001c01c25976$9f77d980$0d01a8c0@Chris1> <004301c259f6$647f81e0$d3a9fea9@me> Subject: Re: {AMSF} memorex mod pix Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 03:47:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Nope- not at all. The output is injected after the coupling network in the radio already, and perfectly over rides it. No interference, and great separation. CC ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Todd To: Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 8:50 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} memorex mod pix > Do you have to cut any traces or remove any components to kill the stock AM > mono audio? From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Sep 12 00:49:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 12 Sep 2002 07:49:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 40400 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 07:49:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2002 07:49:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 07:49:24 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.50]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.4.232) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 03:47:01 -0400 Message-ID: <002a01c25a30$c2894020$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: memorex mod pix Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 03:48:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Target has an exclusive on this model- you won't find them in WalMart.. cc ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil Rafuse To: Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 11:00 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: memorex mod pix > > Chris, I see Target doesn't ship internationally From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Sep 12 01:17:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 12 Sep 2002 08:17:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 56515 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 08:17:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2002 08:17:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 08:17:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2002 08:17:17 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:17:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 790 CIGM / NYC TV&FM, a year later... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004901c259f6$989629c0$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1539 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.130 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > That thing deserves to be in a museum, but likely it was trashed. For quite a while, CBS has an entire floor of the Empire State Building allocated for their FM and TV transmitter equipment, but if the old Harris is still up there, it surely now has a lot of company from the dozens of displaced stations that moved to the ESB. I believe all of the VHF TV signals except for WCBS-TV are still not running at their full pre-9/11/01 power levels, as the building is pretty much maxed out on both its available electrical supply and on the allowable RF radiation limits. Nevertheless, it's all quite amazing for a building whose top peak was originally designed for use as a mooring mast for dirigibles, rather than as the base for any radio or TV antennas. However, only months after construction was completed, and with no blimps in sight, NBC already started to conduct experimental TV transmissions from the Empire State Building, starting in December 1931! For actual examples of what images broadcast by TV looked like in the 1930s, I managed to find this interesting page: http://framemaster.tripod.com/oldindex.html It is a far cry from the barely visible 1929 TV image of "Felix the Cat"... by 1934, they were using 343 scan lines and 30 frames per second, and the quality is surprisingly good, especially in comparison to if you've ever watched a Video CD, which despite all of today's super-duper whiz-bang MPEG digital video technology gives you only 288 lines of resolution and 25 frames per second! From groucho@skyweb.net Thu Sep 12 04:45:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 12 Sep 2002 11:45:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 80660 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 11:45:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2002 11:45:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 11:45:29 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8CBjKB3003082 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 07:45:20 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3D807D91.DB6A6C0F@skyweb.net> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 07:42:09 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: memorex mod pix References: <002a01c25a30$c2894020$0101a8c0@pavilion> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 what exactly is the model # I have been asked.... neal Christopher Cuff wrote: > Target has an exclusive on this model- you won't find them in WalMart.. > cc > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Phil Rafuse > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 11:00 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: memorex mod pix > > > > > Chris, I see Target doesn't ship internationally > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From groucho@skyweb.net Thu Sep 12 04:56:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 12 Sep 2002 11:56:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 70828 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 11:56:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2002 11:56:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 11:56:15 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8CBu5B3004812 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 07:56:06 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3D808016.FF951CF9@skyweb.net> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 07:52:55 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Subject: 1710 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Ok Guys. I was in Jersey city yesterday for the 911 services. and scanning the bands. I heard what sounded like a Russian or Jewish format very weak On 1710khz any of you know which station is running this format? or was I listening to a very weak local carrier Current station some where in the middle of a Very Cuban community.. I also thought I heard a radio Disney down around 1650. was that the VA station? that was the First Time I heard anything above 1700.. Neal From bjackson@indyradio.com Thu Sep 12 05:27:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 12 Sep 2002 12:27:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 64081 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 12:27:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2002 12:27:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 12:27:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2002 12:27:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 12:27:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: memorex mod pix Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1238 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 206.246.142.138 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public OK...Maybe I'm blind...But where are the photos and MP3 audio files? I see "Files" and "Photos" on the left of the Yahoo page, but they have no hyperlinks. -Brad Jackson -Susquehanna Indianapolis -WGLD/WGRL/WFMS --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Phil Rafuse" wrote: > > Chris, I see Target doesn't ship internationally - any chance that > you may be selling these as modified with your decoder? Either > direct or on ebay? Looking at the photos, it certainly looks like > an easy modification. I think I'll check our local Wal-Mart - as > Walmart Canada used to sell some Memorex stuff. > > Phil > > --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Chris Cuff" wrote: > > I have now put the pix of the Memorex mod on the forum's pic area. > > The cabinet has 8 screws on the back- 6 around the perimeter, one > in the battery compartment, and one inside the hand grip. > > The back will lift off, and then you can unplug the DC power > connector to the back. No further disassembly is needed. I added my > LED right over the headphone jack, but it can be put anywhere you > like. > > Work on a soft cloth- the plexi dome is easy to scratch. > > chris > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Thu Sep 12 05:30:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 12 Sep 2002 12:30:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 40225 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 12:30:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2002 12:30:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.165.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 12:30:56 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 05:30:56 -0700 Received: from 208.228.96.20 by sea2fd.sea2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 12:30:56 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: memorex mod pix Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:30:56 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Sep 2002 12:30:56.0364 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E008AC0:01C25A58] From: "Chris Cuff" X-Originating-IP: [208.228.96.20] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059 Just click on the link at the bottom of any message to our site. Click on the "photos" word. You must be a member of Yahoo, and have a yahoo ID, and sign in first. CC > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From bjackson@indyradio.com Thu Sep 12 06:28:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 12 Sep 2002 13:28:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 67044 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 13:28:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2002 13:28:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 13:28:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2002 13:28:20 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 13:28:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: memorex mod pix Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 705 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 206.246.142.138 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Hmmm. I must be doing something wrong...I obviously have an ID and am signed in (otherwise I couldn't post, right?) I have links to home, messages, and post...Files, photos, links, and polls are there, but not active links...Color me confused. -Brad Jackson -Susquehanna Indianapolis -WGLD/WGRL/WFMS --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Chris Cuff" wrote: > Just click on the link at the bottom of any message to our site. Click on > the "photos" word. You must be a member of Yahoo, and have a yahoo ID, and > sign in first. > CC > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From groucho@skyweb.net Thu Sep 12 06:44:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 12 Sep 2002 13:44:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 10275 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 13:44:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2002 13:44:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 13:44:19 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8CDi7B3035114 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:44:08 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3D809969.99297AEF@skyweb.net> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:40:57 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: memorex mod pix References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Brad look under Photos. there are 4 of them. I just looked and its a really easy Conversion... IF out to decoder and Left/Right audio back In and B+ power and ground. 6 connections Simple Neal bradleyj923 wrote: > Hmmm. I must be doing something wrong...I obviously have an ID and am > signed in (otherwise I couldn't post, right?) I have links to home, > messages, and post...Files, photos, links, and polls are there, but > not active links...Color me confused. > > -Brad Jackson > -Susquehanna Indianapolis > -WGLD/WGRL/WFMS > > --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Chris Cuff" wrote: > > Just click on the link at the bottom of any message to our site. > Click on > > the "photos" word. You must be a member of Yahoo, and have a yahoo > ID, and > > sign in first. > > CC > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: > http://mobile.msn.com > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Thu Sep 12 07:20:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 12 Sep 2002 14:20:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 54292 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 14:20:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2002 14:20:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.165.46) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 14:20:58 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 07:20:58 -0700 Received: from 208.228.96.20 by sea2fd.sea2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:20:57 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: memorex mod pix Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:20:57 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Sep 2002 14:20:58.0073 (UTC) FILETIME=[9CED6490:01C25A67] From: "Chris Cuff" X-Originating-IP: [208.228.96.20] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059 You can still receive and send posts without being signed in. Look at the homepage screen after clicking to it- does it say "welcome guest?"- if so, you are not signed in, or you are signed in under the wrong yahoo ID. CC > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Sep 12 07:54:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 12 Sep 2002 14:54:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 19460 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 14:54:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2002 14:54:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster1.vcn.com) (209.193.72.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 14:54:45 -0000 Received: from keva (unverified [63.175.110.110]) by m1-cluster1.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:54:44 -0600 Message-ID: <006b01c25a6c$51f56640$0701010a@keva> To: References: Subject: Sound ideas Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:54:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tech question for you Chris and anyone else that's had a successful conversion.....well a couple of questions. On the radio in my car that I converted....I seem to have this "whirring" sound in th background when in stereo. It's un-noticable when there's audio..but it is there and you can especially hear it during news and when it's kinda quiet. On my home tuner that I converted a while back....the JVC tuner....it seems to not want to lock into stereo very well. I never really had the chance to test these things very well until recently now that KEVA is stereo and it's local. On the JVC when I tune in KEVA the indicator will seem to flicker on and off and then once it finally locks in there's a major "RUMBLE" going on and it'll only stay locked for about 5 seconds or so, then it drops. Any ideas on what's causing these problems? The only info I can tell ya is that on the JVC, it probably is pure IF. I remember Chris...you telling me "wow Mike, that's pure IF! You need to find another IF tap." Well I never did. Could that be causing the rumbling? It's getting the pure IF from BEFORE the ceramic filter. Meanwhile on the mitsu stereo in my car, it's done right...getting the IF right off of the filter.....although I replaced the original IF filter (an orange one) with one from an older mitsu unit that was built for AM stereo. (this filter is blue in color....Murata's filter that they supplied specifically FOR AM Stereo radios.....the SRF-A1 that I have has the same blue one in it). Any ideas? MJR n WYO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Sep 12 08:23:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 12 Sep 2002 15:23:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 612 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 15:23:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2002 15:23:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14204.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.146) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 15:23:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20020912152315.3639.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:23:15 PDT Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:23:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Nasty engineer kills Cquam equipment To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I hope nobody in our group is responsible for this reply I received (Bill sounds like a real nice guy huh?): "Your birth certificate actually says Johnny Electron or did you get it changed? Who are you really? > IF people cared about quality, they'd insist that all of the AM stations that > turned-off their C-Quam AM Stereo exciters would turn them back-on (ya hear me > WSM?), I had some jerk tape a note to the gate lock of our AM site demanding we turn the C-QUAM back on. After using a knife to cut the crap off so I could get in, I made sure the C-QUAM exciters in the corner pile would never work again. Some really neat parts were in those things! Bill Frahm - Citadel Boise __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From badlhoch@hotmail.com Thu Sep 12 08:40:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: badlhoch@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 12 Sep 2002 15:40:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 31787 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 15:40:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2002 15:40:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.94) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 15:40:40 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:40:40 -0700 Received: from 136.1.1.101 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:40:39 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Nasty engineer kills Cquam equipment Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 11:40:39 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Sep 2002 15:40:40.0564 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF839B40:01C25A72] From: "Bill Adlhoch" X-Originating-IP: [136.1.1.101] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59104360 whats this guys e-mail address, work telephone number, and supervisiors info? ----Original Message Follows---- From: Johnny Electron Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Nasty engineer kills Cquam equipment Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:23:15 -0700 (PDT) I hope nobody in our group is responsible for this reply I received (Bill sounds like a real nice guy huh?): "Your birth certificate actually says Johnny Electron or did you get it changed? Who are you really? > IF people cared about quality, they'd insist that all of the AM stations that > turned-off their C-Quam AM Stereo exciters would turn them back-on (ya hear me > WSM?), I had some jerk tape a note to the gate lock of our AM site demanding we turn the C-QUAM back on. After using a knife to cut the crap off so I could get in, I made sure the C-QUAM exciters in the corner pile would never work again. Some really neat parts were in those things! Bill Frahm - Citadel Boise __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From michaelj@vcn.com Thu Sep 12 08:55:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: michaelj@vcn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 12 Sep 2002 15:55:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 64468 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 15:55:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2002 15:55:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m1-cluster1.vcn.com) (209.193.72.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 15:55:03 -0000 Received: from keva (unverified [63.175.110.110]) by m1-cluster1.vcn.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:55:02 -0600 Message-ID: <00ad01c25a74$beae5f00$0701010a@keva> To: References: <20020912152315.3639.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Nasty engineer kills Cquam equipment Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:54:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 From: "Michael J. Richard" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10475663 X-Yahoo-Profile: michaeljwyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WELL!! I guess THAT takes care fo THAT with all of my questions and emails to (and no replies from) Citadel Boise about KBOI. Now I'm DAMN glad I got my AMS Airchecks from KBOI when I actually went up there in 1997. Hanging on to those priceless babies. ACTUALLY......hmmmmmmmm.......since the mail equalization card in my exciter here at KEVA has some problems with the left channel (no audio on left when all the switches are enabled) I wonder if he'd be willing to part with the card from his. HMMMMMM...... nah...I doubt it. This guys sounds like a real jerk MJR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KC4QLP@aol.com Thu Sep 12 11:31:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 12 Sep 2002 18:31:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 38592 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 18:31:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2002 18:31:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 18:31:18 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.155.13f7fa2c (30950) for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:31:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <155.13f7fa2c.2ab23771@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:31:13 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1710 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 9/12/02 7:57:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, groucho@skyweb.net writes: << Ok Guys. I was in Jersey city yesterday for the 911 services. and scanning the bands. I heard what sounded like a Russian or Jewish format very weak On 1710khz any of you know which station is running this format? or was I listening to a very weak local carrier Current station some where in the middle of a Very Cuban community.. I also thought I heard a radio Disney down around 1650. was that the VA station? that was the First Time I heard anything above 1700.. Neal >> I've heard this type of station before here in the Carolinas at night during the winter time. The signal is usually to weak to ID here...even if I knew the language. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms." Your message (if actually mailed) is in violation of the Federal Telephone Consumer Protection Act of 1991, and Collateral Code of Federal Regulations (47 CFR 64.1200). The TCPA allows a private right of action against the sender of unsolicited advertising. The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From KC4QLP@aol.com Thu Sep 12 11:37:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 12 Sep 2002 18:37:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 65695 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 18:37:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2002 18:37:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.8) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 18:37:32 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.bf.264ab877 (30950) for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:37:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:37:27 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1710 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp Oh..and the Radio Disney station on 1650 is WHKT Portsmouth VA. { just up the road 40 miles from me}....running and has always from day one..glorious mono! Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms." Your message (if actually mailed) is in violation of the Federal Telephone Consumer Protection Act of 1991, and Collateral Code of Federal Regulations (47 CFR 64.1200). The TCPA allows a private right of action against the sender of unsolicited advertising. The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Sep 12 11:53:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 12 Sep 2002 18:53:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 33810 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 18:53:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2002 18:53:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 18:53:29 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-182.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.182]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g8CImpZj015377 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 13:49:08 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004d01c25a8d$d6524680$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio Disney Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 13:54:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Were you ever able to get the KDIS engineer to find out from the WQEW engineer why they turned off the stereo in NYC? Seems to me you persued that once, but I don't think you ever posted the answer. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > Speaking of Radio Disney on 1560 WQEW, a few months ago they were > allegedly broadcasting in full, glorious true AM Stereo sound for a > couple hours one night, only to return to their normal, bland mono. > The only cause for this I can presume is that their engineer was > checking the transmitter equipment, and flipped on the C-Quam exciter > just to make sure it still works. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Sep 12 12:05:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 12 Sep 2002 19:05:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 10801 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 19:05:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2002 19:05:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11702.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 19:05:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20020912190517.94644.qmail@web11702.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.32.101] by web11702.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 12:05:17 PDT Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 12:05:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1710 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I think Pop Comm said it was a Hebrew station out of New York City. 73, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Sep 12 12:26:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 12 Sep 2002 19:26:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 79798 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 19:26:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2002 19:26:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 19:25:59 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-182.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.182]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g8CJLcZj023653 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:21:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <006101c25a92$61046c00$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020912152315.3639.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Nasty engineer kills Cquam equipment Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:27:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Note how he mentioned a nasty note on the gate. I know it's been stated before, but it bears repeating- we need to be polite and civil even as we are trying to be firm. I'll bet he wouldn't have trashed that equipment had the note been civil. It might not have gotten the stereo turned on, but the equipment would still be available for re-use. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnny Electron" > I hope nobody in our group is responsible for this reply I received (Bill > sounds like a real nice guy huh?): From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Sep 12 12:28:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 12 Sep 2002 19:28:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 43520 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 19:28:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2002 19:28:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 19:28:45 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-182.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.182]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g8CJOOZj024357 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:24:25 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <006701c25a92$c3d16400$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Nasty engineer kills Cquam equipment Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:29:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I doubt you'll get much satisfaction- Citadel is worse than CC in some regards. If you still want to try, I'll bet his station would come up in a Yahoo or Google search. There used to be a site called the "Citadel Death Star." If it's still around, you might find that entertaining. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Adlhoch" > whats this guys e-mail address, work telephone number, and supervisiors > info? > > From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Sep 12 12:30:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 12 Sep 2002 19:30:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 54135 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 19:30:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2002 19:30:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 19:30:52 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-182.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.182]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g8CJQVZj024909 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:26:32 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <006d01c25a93$0f8286e0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020912152315.3639.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> <00ad01c25a74$beae5f00$0701010a@keva> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Nasty engineer kills Cquam equipment Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:31:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude He probably is, but I don't think his exciter is the same make and model as yours. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael J. Richard" > ACTUALLY......hmmmmmmmm.......since the mail equalization card in my exciter here at KEVA has some problems with the left channel (no audio on left when all the switches are enabled) I wonder if he'd be willing to part with the card from his. HMMMMMM...... > > nah...I doubt it. This guys sounds like a real jerk > > MJR From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Sep 12 12:48:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 12 Sep 2002 19:48:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 69298 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 19:48:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2002 19:48:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 19:48:23 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-182.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.182]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g8CJi1Zj029163 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:44:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <007901c25a95$81fc0780$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020912190517.94644.qmail@web11702.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1710 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:49:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Odd they'd get away with it. I have a friend who tried part 15 on 1710 in KC-MO and had the FCC on his doorstep in three days. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "JNR" To: Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 2:05 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1710 > I think Pop Comm said it was a Hebrew station out > of New York City. > > 73, > Jay,N1WVQ > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! News - Today's headlines > http://news.yahoo.com > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From amfmdx@fastq.com Thu Sep 12 13:26:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 12 Sep 2002 20:26:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 40717 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 20:26:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2002 20:26:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 20:26:39 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt ([207.173.147.248]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g8CKQch96463 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 13:26:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <02e901c25a9a$92a2c740$a8f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <006701c25a92$c3d16400$d3a9fea9@me> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Nasty engineer kills Cquam equipment Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 13:25:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Its Bill Frahm. He was at KBOI. He has ALWAYS hated C-QUAM. I have talked to him many times. I don't know if hes still there or if hes retired. Kevin Mesa, Arizona ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Todd" To: Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 12:29 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Nasty engineer kills Cquam equipment > I doubt you'll get much satisfaction- Citadel is worse than CC in some > regards. If you still want to try, I'll bet his station would come up in a > Yahoo or Google search. There used to be a site called the "Citadel Death > Star." If it's still around, you might find that entertaining. > > ST > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Adlhoch" > > > > > whats this guys e-mail address, work telephone number, and supervisiors > > info? > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From groucho@skyweb.net Thu Sep 12 13:38:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 12 Sep 2002 20:38:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 60929 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 20:38:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2002 20:38:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 20:38:09 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8CKbxB3088660 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:38:00 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3D80FA6A.10FEF083@skyweb.net> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:34:50 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1710 References: <20020912190517.94644.qmail@web11702.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Thanks Jay. It was a really weak signal. and I was in Jersey City only 1 mile across from lower manhattan. I will have to keep looking for it. neal JNR wrote: > I think Pop Comm said it was a Hebrew station out > of New York City. > > 73, > Jay,N1WVQ > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! News - Today's headlines > http://news.yahoo.com > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From groucho@skyweb.net Thu Sep 12 15:11:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 12 Sep 2002 22:11:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 52185 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 22:11:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2002 22:11:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 22:11:20 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8CMBAB3018145 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:11:11 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3D811041.5B7CCDA7@skyweb.net> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:08:01 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Subject: loop antenna Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Hey everyone. does anyone know the electrical diagram of what's in a kiwa loop antenna I picked up a 10 foot length of 1/2" alum and bent myself a Loop. and fed the Inside of it with a length Of coax. fed both ends into a trimmer cap I'm still Not Done with it but it looks good. Just don't know if I'm doing it Correct. Neal From jeffdeck@aol.com Thu Sep 12 16:16:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 12 Sep 2002 23:16:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 50854 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 23:16:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2002 23:16:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 23:16:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2002 23:16:37 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 23:16:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: My Digital Radio Tirad - Why? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2631 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jeffdeck2001" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.189.99 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4430287 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Is WFRO-AM still silent, Johnny? In a message dated 9/11/2002 7:28:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Johnny writes: >Why digital radio? The general public is pi**ed-off because they >have to toss their brand-new 32&34 NTSC TV set in the dumpster in 4 >years because the dufuss at Best Buy forgot to tell them about HDTV - >maybe they'll get a $250 converter, but every portable is destined >for the trash bucket as who's going to pay $250 for a $100 TV?, and >people aren't very happy if they gotta buy something new because big >business obsoleted their freebie service so they'd have to buy new >digital equipment. >NEWS FLASH - where I live the economy is in the toilet, and nobody's >buying 'nuthin' if they don't have too. They're not buying HDTV; >the XM & Sirius store displays have dust and mold on them, and >they're sure as shootin' not going to buy into IBOC Digital Radio - >UNLESS programming improves. >Here's the key for Radio: programming, personality, and local >service. Play diverse music formats; real, live, local on-air >personalities without voice-trackers giving you yesterday's weather >and no mention of a 5-car accident. > >IF people cared about quality, they'd insist that all of the AM >stations that turned-off their C-Quam AM Stereo exciters would turn >them back-on (ya hear me WSM?), especially on music-formated >stations (hear me Radio Disney), and even those news/talkers with >killer stereo spots (take a listen to WJR - superb stereo audio). >There's over 20 Million AM stereo receivers built since '84, >and damn near every Chrysler mini-van has AM stereo standard in it. >SO, IF QUALITY is the issue, turn-on your AM Stereo again, >especially the 3rd generation decoder units. What about the FanFare >Omega AM receiver -this is the most bullet-proof radio ever made - >you can hear an AM station 200 miles away in stereo with the >receiver sitting next to a computer! Plus, no fade-outs in tunnels >or underpasses - there is a better than digital quality AM >receiver available IF people really want it (Fanfare Omega). >IF AUDIO QUALITY is the issue, take your FM processing and turn-it >to a reasonable level where you actually have some dynamic range >again, instead of forcing me to crank the equalizer to cut -12db on >the audio. >I personally don't care to see all our stations pour-out a ton of >money for IBOC when the analog square peg fits into the square hole - >fix your programming, AM Stereo audio, FM Processing, all local >news, and then see if the public wants digital. iBiquity wasted a >heck of a lot of money. >Ranting, raving, and opinionizing over. From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Sep 12 18:09:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 13 Sep 2002 01:09:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 13811 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2002 01:09:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2002 01:09:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2002 01:09:07 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-224.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.224]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g8D14jZj011110 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 20:04:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000b01c25ac2$506a6360$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <006701c25a92$c3d16400$d3a9fea9@me> <02e901c25a9a$92a2c740$a8f9bed8@kredding430cdt> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Nasty engineer kills Cquam equipment Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 20:10:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude He's definitely still there. He posts quite a bit on the Radiotech forum. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" > Its Bill Frahm. He was at KBOI. He has ALWAYS hated C-QUAM. I have talked to > him many times. > > I don't know if hes still there or if hes retired. > > Kevin From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Sep 12 18:14:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 13 Sep 2002 01:14:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 22287 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2002 01:14:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2002 01:14:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2002 01:14:25 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-224.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.224]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g8D1A3Zj012205 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 20:10:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001f01c25ac3$0e231d20$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <20020912152315.3639.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Nasty engineer kills Cquam equipment Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 20:15:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude One other thought about your post to the RT forum- it's best you use your real name there. You've had some rather lengthy and cogent opinions published under your real name in RW, and the credentials you listed aren't the kind you get out of a Cracker Jack box. So say it loud and say it proud and tell them who you are, Mr. P. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnny Electron" > I hope nobody in our group is responsible for this reply I received (Bill > sounds like a real nice guy huh?): > > "Your birth certificate actually says Johnny Electron or did you get it > changed? Who are you really? From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Sep 12 18:15:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 13 Sep 2002 01:15:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 89302 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2002 01:15:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2002 01:15:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2002 01:15:48 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-224.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.224]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g8D1BQZj012526 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 20:11:27 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002501c25ac3$3fb2cc00$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <3D811041.5B7CCDA7@skyweb.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} loop antenna Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 20:16:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Almost sounds like an old fashioned tower sample loop... ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Newman" To: > I picked up a 10 foot length of 1/2" alum and bent myself a Loop. > and fed the Inside of it with a length Of coax. fed both ends into a > trimmer cap From groucho@skyweb.net Thu Sep 12 18:44:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 13 Sep 2002 01:44:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 42342 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2002 01:44:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2002 01:44:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2002 01:44:33 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8D1iOB3075685 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:44:24 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3D81423A.587B7C2E@skyweb.net> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:41:14 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} loop antenna References: <3D811041.5B7CCDA7@skyweb.net> <002501c25ac3$3fb2cc00$d3a9fea9@me> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Hi Scott well actually I fashioned it so it looks just like the Belar LP-1 the only difference is that I could not find the X condlet Box so I used a Standard Mulberry single gang Box. it looks great. I just don't know what's inside It. is it multi-turns of wire Or a single loop inside the pipe. and a standard 365pf trimmer cap for tuning... So if anyone has actually opened a Belar LP-1 antenna Let me know.. Neal Scott Todd wrote: > Almost sounds like an old fashioned tower sample loop... > ST > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Neal Newman" > To: > > > I picked up a 10 foot length of 1/2" alum and bent myself a Loop. > > and fed the Inside of it with a length Of coax. fed both ends into a > > trimmer cap > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Sep 12 20:24:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 13 Sep 2002 03:24:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 85006 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2002 03:24:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2002 03:24:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2002 03:24:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2002 03:24:57 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 03:24:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1710 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007901c25a95$81fc0780$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 927 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.67.13 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Odd they'd get away with it. I have a friend who tried part 15 on > 1710 in KC-MO and had the FCC on his doorstep in three days. In Union County, NJ there is a network of *16* transmitters all synched up on 1620 kHz to form a Spanish Christian "station". They have rather lousy audio, but I've heard them all over the place in that area. Apparently they went through the trouble to get officially FCC-approved Part 15 transmitters, the kind commonly used by car dealers, "talking houses", etc., which can easily cost over $1000 just to put a puny little 100 mW signal on the air! Anyway, the issue with 1710 kHz is that it is not part of the Part 15 allocation for 100 mW AM broadcasting. I believe the range for this may go up to 1710 kHz, but that's *exactly* the limit -- so if you broadcast any AM audio at this frequency, the modulation would put half of your signal *above* 1710 kHz, which is no good. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Sep 12 21:27:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 13 Sep 2002 04:27:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 76443 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2002 04:27:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2002 04:27:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11706.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2002 04:27:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20020913042733.96788.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.222.32.101] by web11706.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:27:33 PDT Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:27:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Happy Friday the 13th To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JNR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio I wish you a bounty of new Stereo A.M. stations on this wonderful day. It's the 1st one in 14 months, by the way. 73, Jay,N1WVQ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From alfredot@inetarena.com Thu Sep 12 23:31:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredot@inetarena.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 13 Sep 2002 06:31:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 60327 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2002 06:31:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2002 06:31:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.inetarena.com) (206.129.216.13) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2002 06:31:31 -0000 Received: from hendrie (1Cust109.tnt2.beaverton.or.da.uu.net [67.227.168.109]) by mail.inetarena.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g8D6ULX27808 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 23:30:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 23:30:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: alfredo@hendrie.1610am.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Re: Where Has Some of our long-time AMS charter members gone? In-Reply-To: <1031771531.307.71143.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Alfredo E. Torrejon" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25132238 X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon > Subject: Re: Re: Where Has Some of our long-time AMS charter members gone? > > Wouldn't it be easier to tap off the QUAM signal, amplify it class-C and > then modulate the 50w carrier? > > ST I've started thinking about that because the DC-to-RF efficiency of a linear amp running an AM signal isn't that good, and the station is going to be powered off deep-cycle storage batteries. I think--though unfortunately I don't have any schematics--that the low power solid state AM rigs built by LPB and others used a class-C RF power amp with a series modulator. I've also started throwing around the idea, though I don't know if I'll ever have the time, of someday building a low powered solid state version of RCA's classic Ampli-Phase transmitter. If I could get something like that working, that would be a lot more frugal on the battery consumption. Well, a bag of 10 RF power transistors is only $25.00 away! :) Alfredo From alfredot@inetarena.com Thu Sep 12 23:44:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredot@inetarena.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 13 Sep 2002 06:44:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 72463 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2002 06:44:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2002 06:44:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.inetarena.com) (206.129.216.13) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2002 06:44:06 -0000 Received: from hendrie (1Cust109.tnt2.beaverton.or.da.uu.net [67.227.168.109]) by mail.inetarena.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g8D6guX29452 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 23:42:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 23:42:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: alfredo@hendrie.1610am.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Re: Burning Man 1610 status? In-Reply-To: <1031771531.307.71143.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Alfredo E. Torrejon" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=25132238 X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon > Good luck in that endeavo(u)r (sp.?) What was > 1610's format to be? > > Jay I was hoping to revive full-service radio with fun interviews, music, and "scavenger radio" programming. The scavenger part comes from my years of volunteering at WITR and KMHD; during that time, I picked up a lot of programming (in most cases stuff from syndicators that we chose not to air) that was headed for the trash bin. In the scavenger collection, I have four episodes of the Kit Kat Acoustic Break show (musical interview show hosted by Pat DiNizzio of Smithereens fame), two episodes of the Spin College Radio show, seven episodes of the De-Funked Radio show (hosted at WZBC Boston by a WITR alumnus--see http://www.studio475.com/ for a complete archive of the series), about a dozen "Pulse of the Planet" spots put together by DuPont as part of a PR campaign, and a lot of assorted PSAs on a variety of topics. I also had several pre-recorded educational (well some people might debate that part) shows that were scheduled to air. Alfredo From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Fri Sep 13 05:30:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 66210 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2002 12:30:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2002 12:30:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2002 12:30:09 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2002 12:30:09 -0000 Date: 13 Sep 2002 12:30:07 -0000 Message-ID: <1031920207.7720.4404.w42@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /Harris AMS paper.jpg Uploaded by : toledohamradio Description : Harris AMS System faulters Aug 83 You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/Harris%20AMS%20paper.jpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, toledohamradio From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Sep 13 09:24:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 13 Sep 2002 16:24:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 69428 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2002 16:24:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2002 16:24:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2002 16:24:51 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-223.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.223]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g8DGKSZj028777 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:20:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002a01c25b42$3e94bf20$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Re: Where Has Some of our long-time AMS charter members gone? Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:25:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I only have experience with one Radio Systems carrier current unit, but that was mostly a big linear amp with the modulation at a very low level. I would suspect that most of your low power solid state rigs would be that way, though some form of class-E modulation would work better. Check out www.amwindow.org for some ideas for a better AM rig. It has some plans for solid state AM ham rigs, but you could easily adapt it to the broadcast band. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alfredo E. Torrejon" I think--though > unfortunately I don't have any schematics--that the low power solid state > AM rigs built by LPB and others used a class-C RF power amp with a series > modulator. From philipr@irac.pe.ca Fri Sep 13 11:51:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 13 Sep 2002 18:51:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 52266 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2002 18:51:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2002 18:51:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2002 18:51:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2002 18:51:29 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 18:51:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT - Conversion of AM transmitters to SW? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2233 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking I suspect that its possible to convert an AM transmitter [AM as in the standard AM Broadcast band] to short wave? Or am I just dreaming? Any comments as to the feasibility of this? Could you stack a series of dipoles for shortwave between two no longer used AM towers? Any other types of shortwave antennas where two 430 foot towers [in like new condition] would be useful as supports? Jeff W. - does Nautel make any SW transmitters? In the low power range? I saw an article on the net that noted that a group had offered to give CHNX a decent 500 watt transmitter and even pay for shipping. However, MBS Radio was apparently too cheap to accept this gift. I can understand that there might be a pride issue here too, a highly profitable Canadian Radio chain 23+ stations accepting a good used transmitter from South America! However, to preserve their pride, why not invest in some good PR and order a NEW SW transmitter? I wouldn't expect that a new 500 watt SW transmitter would cost much, and they likely could claim CCA [capital cost allowance] through the Canada Customs and Revenue Agency [our version of the IRS] to write it off over a number of years. Come on, MBS folks, at least run it by some Barrington Street Bean Counters! On a higher power note, I did a call letter search and the callsign CJDX apparently is available. Too bad that when 580 goes dark in Atlantic Canada that the powers that be on Kirk Street wouldn't convert their state of the art AM Stereo site to shortwave, replace the "F" with a "D" for their new shortwave service and provide Canada's only private medium power shortwave service. I'm sure they could get some government funding, HINT, HINT, given the presence of the Coady International Institute in Antigonish. 25kw of shortwave coming out of Nova Scotia would give a nice signal in Africa and South America - what a boost to be able to provide follow up Community Development once the Coady Grads return home! 24 hours a day of simulcast of the new flagship 75 kw FM station, with those hours reduced by as much programming as the Coady Institute could provide to them. Perhaps a CIDA [Canadian International Development Agency] grant WHY NOT? From amfmdx@fastq.com Fri Sep 13 12:09:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 13 Sep 2002 19:09:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 88241 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2002 19:09:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2002 19:09:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2002 19:09:02 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt ([207.173.147.253]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g8DJ91h22411 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:09:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <053701c25b58$bcfad500$a8f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT - Conversion of AM transmitters to SW? Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:06:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > I suspect that its possible to convert an AM transmitter [AM as in > the standard AM Broadcast band] to short wave? Or am I just > dreaming? Any comments as to the feasibility of this? Hams get OLD 250W Gates, and Raytheon and other xmitters up to 1 kw all the time from broadcast stations and they are BIG IRON, put them on flatbeds, take them home and do a little work and put them on the air. It happens all the time. > Could you > stack a series of dipoles for shortwave between two no longer used > AM towers? Yes. There is a commercial station WMLB in Red Lion, PA off I-78. The antenna is strung between old gas station sign poles about 150 feet up. Kevin From KC4QLP@aol.com Fri Sep 13 12:30:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 13 Sep 2002 19:30:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 52374 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2002 19:30:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2002 19:30:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d10.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.42) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2002 19:30:38 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.11.) id r.196.d20088a (30960) for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:30:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <196.d20088a.2ab396d9@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:30:33 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT - Conversion of AM transmitters to SW? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 42 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp If your thinking of putting something up on shortwave that is not licensed I would advise against it. The many frequencies that are available that "sound" unused might be military frequencies..and the like. The FCC gets very picky about part 15 operations on SW. Its bad enough with the talk of higher power operations on MW. Will these operations be carrier current? Operate unlicensed at your own risk. 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The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- From jwelton@nautel.com Fri Sep 13 12:42:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwelton@nautel.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 13 Sep 2002 19:42:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 76927 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2002 19:42:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2002 19:42:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserver.nautel.com) (24.222.4.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2002 19:42:28 -0000 Received: FROM jeff-welton BY mailserver.nautel.com ; Fri Sep 13 16:44:01 2002 -0300 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 16:41:06 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT - Conversion of AM transmitters to SW? Message-ID: <3D82151C.19596.1C72A40@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body From: "Jeff Welton" Reply-To: jwelton@nautel.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=26918678 > Jeff W. - does Nautel make any SW transmitters? In the low power > range? Phil - Unfortunately, no - the only thing we make in that bandwidth (60-80 meters) is used as an rf source for dielectric heating ... and at 100kW and up, I don't suspect you'd call it low power! I have seen a few of our low power AM rigs (primarily 30 yr old 50 watt units that have been decommissioned by the CBC) retuned to operate on 160 meters, and at one point we made an HF telegraph transmitter for ship/shore that could be voice modulated or keyed in the 60 or 80 meter bands - occasionally one of these is decommissioned and sold - model number is NXH1000 (incidentally, it is a six channel unit). Other than that, we don't make much of anything in that range. Regards, Jeff Welton Nautel Customer Service Dept. Tel.: 1-902-823-3900 ext. 127 Fax: 1-902-823-3183 email: jwelton@nautel.com From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Sep 13 12:43:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 13 Sep 2002 19:43:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 38301 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2002 19:43:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2002 19:43:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2002 19:43:34 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-223.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.223]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g8DJd9Zj015309 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:39:10 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000401c25b5e$00c8ac80$d3a9fea9@me> To: Subject: Re E-Bay Buyer's Guide to Electronics Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:43:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Re: E-Bay Buyer's Guide to ElectronicsFor all you ebayers out there. Might want to check the whole thread, but this guy has an interesting question to use when in doubt. ST Re: E-Bay Buyer's Guide to Electronics -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [ Follow Ups ] [ Post Followup ] [ The AM Radio Bulletin Board ] [ FAQ ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted by ' Don't worry, all it needs is a tune-up '....Tom, JJ on September 05, 19102 at 13:34:50: In Reply to: E-Bay Buyer's Guide to Electronics posted by Warren/NY2H (New York's 2nd Harmonic) on September 05, 19102 at 12:30:07: : Glossary of Terms : Useful Glossary of Terms for trading on the internet: :NY2H ---- Yo Warren, Yes, those certainly ARE red flags.. :-) The acid test: I usually ask a seller on eBay: "Is there anything about your item that makes it NOT absolutely perfect cosmetically and electrically?" They usually spill their guts, figuring they don't want any negative feedback posted on ebay in case it DOES have problems. Works well. I'll add one: About 10 years ago I met a guy in an audio store that had a nice looking "DJ" mixer type board for sale for only $125. It was a quiet side deal as he was trading it in and I spotted him first before he actually presented it to the clerk. Anyway, I asked him the question above concerning the electronics. He said "well, it works fine, except it may need a tuneup". I asked him what he meant by that since it's all solid state with no real adjustments inside. He just repeated it...I figured he just didn't know what he was talking about and the deal was so good I grabbed it. After getting it home and trying it out I found that one of the stereo channels was completely blown out. Yeah, some tune up! But, one channel is all I really needed anyway. BTW, I have a 833A for sale and all it needs is a tune up! :-) 73, Tom, K1JJ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Follow Ups: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post a Followup Name: E-Mail: Subject: Re: Re: E-Bay Buyer's Guide to Electronics Comments: : : Glossary of Terms : : Useful Glossary of Terms for trading on the internet: : :NY2H : ---- : Yo Warren, : Yes, those certainly ARE red flags.. :-) : The acid test: : I usually ask a seller on eBay: "Is there anything about your item that makes it NOT absolutely perfect cosmetically and electrically?" They usually spill their guts, figuring they don't want any negative feedback posted on ebay in case it DOES have problems. Works well. : I'll add one: : About 10 years ago I met a guy in an audio store that had a nice looking "DJ" mixer type board for sale for only $125. It was a quiet side deal as he was trading it in and I spotted him first before he actually presented it to the clerk. : Anyway, I asked him the question above concerning the electronics. He said "well, it works fine, except it may need a tuneup". I asked him what he meant by that since it's all solid state with no real adjustments inside. He just repeated it...I figured he just didn't know what he was talking about and the deal was so good I grabbed it. : After getting it home and trying it out I found that one of the stereo channels was completely blown out. Yeah, some tune up! But, one channel is all I really needed anyway. : BTW, I have a 833A for sale and all it needs is a tune up! :-) : 73, : Tom, K1JJ Optional Link URL: Link Title: Optional Image URL: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [ Follow Ups ] [ Post Followup ] [ The AM Radio Bulletin Board ] [ FAQ ] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Sep 13 13:27:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 13 Sep 2002 20:27:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 10498 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2002 20:27:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2002 20:27:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2002 20:27:21 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-223.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.223]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g8DKMwZj025416 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:22:59 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001a01c25b64$200ee720$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <053701c25b58$bcfad500$a8f9bed8@kredding430cdt> Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT - Conversion of AM transmitters to SW? Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:28:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude There's a ham from Maine who converted some old GE 50kW broadcast transmitters up to the SW bands for that (I think it's now defunct) station in KY that played Southern Gospel. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" > Hams get OLD 250W Gates, and Raytheon and other xmitters up to 1 kw all the > time from broadcast stations and they are BIG IRON, put them on flatbeds, > take them home and do a little work and put them on the air. It happens all > the time. From meridian3891@cs.com Fri Sep 13 14:16:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: meridian3891@cs.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 13 Sep 2002 21:16:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 8365 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2002 21:16:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2002 21:16:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2002 21:16:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2002 21:16:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 21:16:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1710 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1352 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tony" X-Originating-IP: 205.166.36.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=48487815 X-Yahoo-Profile: onemeridian I remember this station was on 1710 last December. It consisted of a male announcer who would speak in English & Hebrew (or maybe Yiddish-- I cannot distinguish). He would also play some traditional Jewish music, & was reported to be from N.Y.C. The signal was not too strong here in SE Pennsylvania. Tony --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Kevin T." wrote: > > Odd they'd get away with it. I have a friend who tried part 15 on > > 1710 in KC-MO and had the FCC on his doorstep in three days. > > In Union County, NJ there is a network of *16* transmitters all > synched up on 1620 kHz to form a Spanish Christian "station". They > have rather lousy audio, but I've heard them all over the place in > that area. Apparently they went through the trouble to get > officially FCC-approved Part 15 transmitters, the kind commonly used > by car dealers, "talking houses", etc., which can easily cost over > $1000 just to put a puny little 100 mW signal on the air! > > Anyway, the issue with 1710 kHz is that it is not part of the Part 15 > allocation for 100 mW AM broadcasting. I believe the range for this > may go up to 1710 kHz, but that's *exactly* the limit -- so if you > broadcast any AM audio at this frequency, the modulation would put > half of your signal *above* 1710 kHz, which is no good. From dav259@csiro.au Fri Sep 13 21:21:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 14 Sep 2002 04:21:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 12759 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2002 04:21:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2002 04:21:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2002 04:21:12 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8E4LAc19121; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 14:21:10 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 14:21:10 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: amstereoforum Cc: AM Stereo Experience Subject: OT - digital TV sound Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public I've tried to get a logical answer to this on local google boards. But I still don't understand. I know that responses I get here will be legit. We've had live TV coverage of Australian football matches for many years. Unless the matches are a sellout we have to accept delayed TV coverage of matches played in Melbourne - and that's OK. But we've been watching interstate games for years and been able to listen to the live radio coverage - which is generally more exciting ... "theatre of the mind" and all that ... Now watching Foxtel (the pay TV network owned by Rupert) the picture is about a second slower than the live radio sound. It's virtually impossible to watch the Foxtel picture and listen to the analog radio broadcast. They've said it takes some time to match the sound and the video because it is digital - and that's why there is a slightly delayed signal of both. Now that our TV stations have been mandated to go digital we have a similar - but not quite so bad - effect. We now get the radio sound about 1/3 of a second ahead of the picture. It can be disconcerting when a player runs towards goal - and 3LO yells "he's missed" as he kicks it. What is the reason for analog radio sound arriving before digital sound and picture? 3AW, 3LO, and MMM-FM all tell us to turn down the TV sound when their matches are covered live on TV. They all take talkback - which is in 7 second delay in case someone says something untoward. Up till this year their broadcasts have been totally in synch with the pictures we get from the TV networks. 1. Why is digital sound (or/and video) slower than analog? 2. Why couldn't 3AW et all put themselves 1/3 of a second in delay so as to match the TV pictures? Whilst attending matches at our great MCG and listening to the radio commentary live the final siren is heard on the radio a fraction of a second before you hear it naturally 200 meters away. Why has this digital thing (at least on TV) slowed it down? Deluded Davo Downunder :( From jeffdeck@aol.com Sat Sep 14 04:39:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 14 Sep 2002 11:39:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 21890 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2002 11:39:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2002 11:39:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2002 11:39:20 -0000 Received: from Jeffdeck@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.ab.221deaee (17377); Sat, 14 Sep 2002 07:39:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 07:39:12 EDT Subject: Re: OT - digital TV sound To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@bellsouth.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10578 From: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4430287 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ian, There are different analog to digital conversion times for both audio an= d video. Analog video is wideband (4MHz in composite form) and high fidelity stereo audio has two 20kHz channels. Audio typically takes =BC second sampling conversion time to convert the analog stereo audio into one composite digital form. Video, depending= =20 on the compression rate, can take several seconds. This is due to the=20 inherent differences in the bandwidth of audio and video signal. Also, if satellite is used for the uplink/downlink, you would factor in a f= ew=20 more seconds for the 45,000 mile round trip delay.=20 Of course, the audio has to be delayed further to match the video conversion delay. This is why you may see lip synching issues with compressed digital television. All of this delay has to be adjusted. If you are listening to an actual analog audio radio broadcast, and watching the digital video signal, of course you will see the delays. Compare it to I-BOC (iBiquity's HD technology). There are significant delays encountered in the studio when the operator is listening to the off-air feed.=20=20 Hopefully this answers your question. Others may offer additional insight. 73, Jeff =20 In a message dated 9/14/2002 12:34:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Ian writes: >I've tried to get a logical answer to this on local google boards. But I >still don't understand. I know that responses I get here will be legit. > >We've had live TV coverage of Australian football matches for many years. >Unless the matches are a sellout we have to accept delayed TV coverage of >matches played in Melbourne - and that's OK. > >But we've been watching interstate games for years and been able to listen >to the live radio coverage - which is generally more exciting ... "theatre >of the mind" and all that ... > >Now watching Foxtel (the pay TV network owned by Rupert) the picture is >about a second slower than the live radio sound. It's virtually >impossible to watch the Foxtel picture and listen to the analog radio >broadcast. They've said it takes some time to match the sound and the >video because it is digital - and that's why there is a slightly delayed >signal of both. > >Now that our TV stations have been mandated to go digital we have a >similar - but not quite so bad - effect. We now get the radio sound about >1/3 of a second ahead of the picture. It can be disconcerting when a >player runs towards goal - and 3LO yells "he's missed" as he kicks it. > >What is the reason for analog radio sound arriving before digital sound >and picture? > >3AW, 3LO, and MMM-FM all tell us to turn down the TV sound when their >matches are covered live on TV. They all take talkback - which is in 7 >second delay in case someone says something untoward. Up till this year >their broadcasts have been totally in synch with the pictures we get from >the TV networks. > >1. Why is digital sound (or/and video) slower than analog? > >2. Why couldn't 3AW et all put themselves 1/3 of a second in delay so as >to match the TV pictures? > >Whilst attending matches at our great MCG and listening to the radio >commentary live the final siren is heard on the radio a fraction of a >second before you hear it naturally 200 meters away. > >Why has this digital thing (at least on TV) slowed it down? > >Deluded Davo >Downunder :( [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mikeryan@tpg.com.au Sat Sep 14 06:45:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mikeryan@tpg.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 14 Sep 2002 13:45:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 96819 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2002 13:45:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2002 13:45:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.tpgi.com.au) (203.12.160.57) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2002 13:45:38 -0000 Received: from server (syd-ts2-2600-199.tpgi.com.au [203.213.54.199]) by mail1.tpgi.com.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g8EDiWk01077; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 23:44:32 +1000 To: "Stephen Sim" , "Tom Velevski" , "Sally Price" , "Richard Sainsbury" , "Richard Osborne" , "Mohammad Ajili" , "Magee Matthew" , "John Maizels" , "James Morrison" , "Errol" , "Bev 2NSB" , "Amstereoforum@Yahoogroups. Com" Subject: Fool.com The Spirit of Satellite Radio [Special] September 9, 2002 Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 23:43:30 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Mike Ryan" Reply-To: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7573532 X-Yahoo-Profile: mike111ryan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fool.com: The Spirit of Satellite Radio [Special] September 9, 2002 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ---- Previous Page -------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Spirit of Satellite Radio The future of music Radios are so 1999... With the advent of MP3s, file-sharing software, and Internet and satellite radio, we've managed to eliminate the need for those old-fashioned, AM/FM dial-turners. The music industry continues to fight new technology, feeling threatened and ripped off. Listen to the music! Each day through Tuesday, Sept. 10 we'll explore the new ways America's tuning in and explain how the industry can capitalize on innovation. Email this page Format for printing Become a Fool! Reuse/Reprint Related Links Life After Napster Save Internet Radio Forget Recording Contracts Rule Breaker Shorts Sirius Satellite Discussion Boards Specials By Rick Aristotle Munarriz (TMF Edible) September 9, 2002 It's been a long time since XM Satellite Radio (Nasdaq: XMSR) rock an= d rolled. True enough, it was in the spring of last year when Sea Launch successfully shot XM's geostationary satellites -- aptly named Rock and Roll -- into orbit. It was the start of a musical revolution. Literally. Figuratively. Not necessarily unequivocally. With November's nationwide service launch, subscribers with XM-ready receivers could tune into 100 digital channels of nearly uninterrupted broadcasts from coast to coast. With retailers such as Best Buy (NYSE: BBY) promoting the free installation of XM receivers starting at about $200, and with the subscriber service priced right at just $9.99 a month, it was musi= c to the ears of the jaded radio listener. It was an easy sell, even if the space race was about to get crowded. The Sirius problem Fashionably late after botched timelines and a management shake-up, Sirius Satellite Radio (Nasdaq: SIRI) rolled out its competing service earlier this year. On Feb. 14, the upstart was introduced into four metropolitan markets. Whether it chose Valentine's Day as a lovers' holiday or for the imagery behind the grim gangland massacre that shares the date, like just about everything else Sirius has done, it has been a case study i= n extremes and symbolism. While simple in practice, satellite radio is rocket science in theory= . That found Sirius struggling to keep pace with XM in a battle that included everything from landing choice content programming to establishing relationships with car makers willing to embrace the satellite-ready future= . Sirius lined up backers, but it lost some serious footing on the clock against the first mover. Like the second man on the moon, it was hard for Sirius to create a Buzz for its wares. By the time Sirius officially launched its nationwide service in July, XM had already landed 136,718 subscribers. Sirius was not as fortunate. With 60,000 Sirius-ready radios by Kenwood and Jensen in the retail system for July's official launch, the receivers collected more dust than interest. Charging 30% more a month for its satellite-radio service than XM proved to be a tough hurdle to clear for Sirius, despite the worthy selling point that its 60 music channels were commercial-free. By mid-August, Sirius was only closing in on its first 7,000 listeners. (Last January, the Rule Breaker Portfolio shorted Sirius.) Forced to hose down its subscriber targets with a cash crunch looming= , Sirius was in serious trouble. The company that became a sucker for symbolism when it chose Jackson, Miss., as the gala event hub during its February launch (because the town also served as the birthplace for satellite television eight years earlier) was at it again. Named after the Dog Star, with the canine mascot to show for it, the fading stock was clearly one for the dogs. XM marks the spot If you believe good fences make good neighbors, you won't find many sectors with higher fences than the world of satellite radio. Between the satellites, chipsets, repeater stations, and launches, the tab is already running at sky-high levels before you dabble in the infrastructure overhead of content and marketing. XM and Sirius have already combined for an accumulated deficit of mor= e than a billion dollars, and the bleeding of red ink continues. Can they duk= e it out or, at least, come together in the pursuit of big bucks? Why not? Despite depressed share prices and debt covenants that could bring either company to its knees in a Don Henley minute, there's muscle on reserve that neither company is flexing right now. Three years ago, General Motors (NYSE: GM), Clear Channel Communications (NYSE: CCU), and DIRECTV invested $250 million collectively in XM. The stakes were significant, but so were the implications. With its foot in Motown's car door, along with beefy investors with ample radio and satellite experience, XM became relevant. Sirius assembled a pretty nifty guest list as well, revving up factory-equipped car maker deals with Ford (NYSE: F) and DaimlerChrysler (NYSE: DCX). While ironclad commuters and professional drivers have flocked to satellite radio, plug-and-play receivers are now making the service portable. The casual driver and the homebody are now in the marketing crosshairs. Cynics first scoffed at the prospects of cable and satellite television. Who would pay for televised content when rabbit-ear antennas were free for the turning? They winced. They reasoned. They wanted their MTV. Why not satellite radio? Why not XM? With its stock recently dipping below $3 a share last month, XM's market cap has fallen to the sum of that $250 million investment. Granted, the company sports a debt load twice as large as that sum and a cash balance in embers. But the connections are there, and the consumers are coming. Cacophony in the key of Canis-major Sirius is singing a different tune right now. Swallowing hard to subsidize a new $75 receiver rebate and warning that the company will need to raise another $600 million to continue operations by next year, the song remains the same at Sirius. And that song is starting to sound like a dirge= . If Sirius has any shot of making it as an independent entity, it need= s to build up its subscriber base, and that means a rate cut might have to accompany the rebate. From that point on, the case studies run deep in the satellite television space. Basic cable discovered premium channels and pay-per-view events, and that has helped prop up both the monthly bills and the annuitized value pegged on typical cable subscribers. Some analysts are assuming basic-subscriber fees and meager ad money are as good as it gets i= n satellite radio, but the revenue streams are already beginning to open up. For an extra $2.99 a month, listeners can tune into Playboy (NYSE: PLA) Radio. Playboy? On the air? 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Previous Page [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amfmdx@fastq.com Sat Sep 14 07:55:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 14 Sep 2002 14:55:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 6559 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2002 14:55:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2002 14:55:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2002 14:55:28 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d118-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.150]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g8EEtRh40356 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 07:55:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <05f101c25bfd$bc5c1500$a8f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT - digital TV sound Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 07:48:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > What is the reason for analog radio sound arriving before digital sound > and picture? The digital signal is compressed to keep it in the spectral space provided. It has to be decompressed and expanded in the set. It takes some time but not a lot. I have seen this as well. Kevin From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Sep 14 12:40:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 14 Sep 2002 19:40:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 68502 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2002 19:40:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2002 19:40:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14201.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.143) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2002 19:40:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20020914194022.68445.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.127.54.199] by web14201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 12:40:22 PDT Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 12:40:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WFRO 900 Fremont Ohio, 910 Flint To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Amazingly enough WFRO-AM is back on the air after a month of going dark. ABC Radio isn't running it yet, even though they bought it. ABC hired the company that bought WFRO-FM to operate it for them until they figure out what they're going to do with it. Naturally it's still mono, they killed-off the local news etc...but they're currently broadcasting the ABC Radio Network "Real Country" format, and it would sound damn good in AM Stereo. Wish they'd do that, but rumor still has it that they still are consistering dumping 900 WFRO so they can 'turbocharge' 910 out of Flint. I believe 910 Flint IS Radio Disney now however. Bill A, heard anything about this? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Sep 15 11:55:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 15 Sep 2002 18:55:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 93096 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2002 18:55:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2002 18:55:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.8) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2002 18:55:02 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.78.2cb583a2 (4446) for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 14:54:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <78.2cb583a2.2ab63183@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 14:54:59 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT - Conversion of AM transmitters to SW? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih That would be WJCR Upton, KY...the station has since changed calls to WJIE; last noted testing with a simulcast of WJIE-FM in Louisville. The group that owns WJIE bought the station over the summer; they used 7490 and 13595 kHz (if my memory serves me correctly). They're currently undergoing repairs. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From n0uiheric@aol.com Sun Sep 15 11:55:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 15 Sep 2002 18:55:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 69278 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2002 18:55:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2002 18:55:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2002 18:55:13 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.19f.8a940ac (4446) for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 14:55:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19f.8a940ac.2ab63184@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 14:55:00 EDT Subject: OT-Designing A Radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih I'd like to ask you folks in AM Stereo-Land: What if you were given the opportunity to design a radio for sale to the public? What kind of specs would you have? Here's my ideas on the subject. If I were to draw up specifications for a receiver for a home application, here's what I would specify: 1) AM coverage from 530 to 1700 kHz, FM coverage from 87.7 to 107.9 MHz 2) Shortwave coverage of the 49 (5.7-6.2 MHz), 41 (7.3-7.7 MHz), 31 (9.3-10 MHz), 25 (11.5-12.2 MHz), 22 (13.5-13.9 MHz), 19 (15-15.8 MHz), 16 (17.5-18 MHz), and 13 meter bands (21.4-22 MHz) with options to add the 90 (3.2-3.4 MHz), 60, (4.7-5.1 MHz) 11 (25.6-26.1 MHz) and the new 18 MHz band 3) C-QUAM AM Stereo and FM Stereo capability 4) 110 kHz filters for FM (to reduce adjacent channel interference) 5) Antenna terminals for AM, FM and SW 6) Terminals for hooking up four speakers 7) RCA jacks for hooking up external equipment (CD player, VCR, turntable, cassette deck, etc.) And for the automobile? 1) AM (530-1700 kHz) and FM (87.7-107.9 MHz) 2) The 90 (3.2-3.4 MHz), 60 (4.7-5.1 MHz), 49 (5.7-6.2 MHz), 41 (7.3-7.7 MHz), 31 (9.3-10 MHz), 25 (11.5-12.2 MHz), 22 (13.5-13.9 MHz), 19 (15-15.8 MHz), 16 (17.5-17.9 MHz) and 13 meter (21.4-21.9 MHz) shortwave broadcast bands 3) C-QUAM AM Stereo and FM Stereo 4) A one-eighth-inch jack for plugging in an MP3 player, scanner, amateur radio transceiver, etc. 5) 110 kHz filters for reduction of ACI on FM 6) Capable of using four speakers 7) Use of the same antenna for AM, FM and SW Okay, folks...have at it! 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sun Sep 15 12:50:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 15 Sep 2002 19:50:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 40940 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2002 19:50:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2002 19:50:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2002 19:50:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2002 19:50:44 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 19:50:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT-Designing A Radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <19f.8a940ac.2ab63184@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1557 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.83 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., n0uiheric@a... wrote: > I'd like to ask you folks in AM Stereo-Land: What if you were given the > opportunity to design a radio for sale to the public? What kind of specs > would you have? Here's my ideas on the subject. > > If I were to draw up specifications for a receiver for a home application, > here's what I would specify: > > > 73 and good DX from Eric > Amateur Radio Station N0UIH > Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN > Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 > DXing The World since 1981 > Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel > PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION > "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 I guess if I had the resources to design and manufacturer one, the first one would be a portable AMS one using a MC13024 chip. It would ba a low cost unit probably fit in a shirt pocket, run on 2 or 3 AAA cells, a good flat response out to ~9.5KHz, a very sharp 10KHz notch filter, and a wide/narrow bandwidth switch. I would make it AMS only and low cost. A unit like this could be used as giveaway for AMS stations or with a power adapter it could be plugged into a home stereo. Hopefully the retail cost would be around $35-$50 something that most people can afford and a station couuld purchase large numbers to for giveaway. The whole purpose would be to have a low cost AMS radio that would be in most people's budget which would sell well enough to actually make a dent in the number of AMS radios out there. JSG From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Sep 15 13:03:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 15 Sep 2002 20:03:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 50560 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2002 20:03:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2002 20:03:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14208.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2002 20:03:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20020915200305.36425.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.127.54.199] by web14208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 13:03:05 PDT Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 13:03:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: A Seattle Engineers View on IBOC-AM Test To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Johnny Electron X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Comments from Clay Freinwald, broadcast engineer in Seattle says: "...Now to the AM test. The AM system was installed on a local station (KIXI-880). This station runs a DX50 into a 3 tower array. The impact on a mono radio was VERY discouraging. Listening to 880 you were ok...but above and below there your radio only received trash. On 900 you heard trash and a beat note/birdy of some kind...on 910 we were hearing AM modulation spurts and twerts. 25 miles from the array on 900 you could still here the trash. Listening to adjacent channel stations was impossible...for example...850 (10kw in Tacoma about 30 miles south) was impossible for about 10 miles from the 880 array. Now I want to give Ibiquity a bit of slack here. I understand that the Harris engineers that were in town were having fits trying to get the IBOC thing to fly thru their transmitter...perhaps they were never able to get the bugs out. I talked with 880's engineer (George Bisso) and he said that it was operating within the mask. My comments on this, made to several, if they were...I'd eat their transmitter. I can tell you that if this is what AM IBOC does to the AM band they we have REAL trouble. This would mean that that AM band in any given market could 'hold' about 8 to 10 IBOC stations and the rest of the band would become useless trash with a noise level that puts neon signs, T-storms etc to shame. I tend to think that in the Seattle 880 case they had a problem. If Ibiqity stands by the 880 installation....THEY HAVE A REAL PROBLEM." Johnnyelectron comments: pretty disapointing that they could wreck the AM band with IBOC instead of helping it. BTW, since IBOC has a bad name, they now are calling it "HD Radio" as in High Definition Radio...yea, right. Keep your congressman up to date about proposals before the FCC to destroy MW broadcasts. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From narkspud@hotmail.com Sun Sep 15 14:40:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 15 Sep 2002 21:40:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 31521 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2002 21:40:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2002 21:40:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.53) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2002 21:40:13 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 14:40:13 -0700 Received: from 66.159.192.39 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:40:13 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT-Designing A Radio Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 14:40:13 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Sep 2002 21:40:13.0320 (UTC) FILETIME=[791E3080:01C25D00] From: ". Narkspud" X-Originating-IP: [66.159.192.39] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud I'd have it look and be priced just like the radios out there now, you'd just need to add flat 10.2KHz frequency response, a whistle filter, and of course CQUAM stereo to the AM section. I'd prefer automatically variable bandwidth over a switch, and if you must use a switch, label it "local/distant," not "wide/narrow," so Joe 6-Pack can relate to it. narkspud _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Sep 15 15:29:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 15 Sep 2002 22:29:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 75435 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2002 22:29:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2002 22:29:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2002 22:29:38 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.34]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.4.232) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 18:27:29 -0400 Message-ID: <004801c25d07$37fee0c0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT-Designing A Radio Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 18:28:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 You have to remember that this has already been done- The Japanese made many MC13024 based radios.Some AM/FM, some AM only- Some quite good, but no American corp would bring them over. The MC13024 in forced stereo mode is a good circuit. CC From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Sep 15 15:31:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 15 Sep 2002 22:31:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 36820 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2002 22:31:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2002 22:31:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2002 22:31:18 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.34]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.4.232) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 18:29:10 -0400 Message-ID: <004c01c25d07$745559a0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Aussie exposure Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 18:30:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 A fellow from Down Under, Ian MacRae has written me and asked if he could do a piece in his radio trade paper about AMS. I was delighted, of course- Will fill you all in as I know more. CC From philipr@irac.pe.ca Sun Sep 15 19:17:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 16 Sep 2002 02:17:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 47813 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 02:17:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2002 02:17:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 02:17:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2002 02:17:56 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 02:17:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT - Conversion of AM transmitters to SW? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <196.d20088a.2ab396d9@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 513 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.166.158.71 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking --- In amstereoforum@y..., KC4QLP@a... wrote: > If your thinking of putting something up on shortwave that is not licensed I > would advise against it. If anything of this nature ever got off the ground, it would definitely be approved by Industry Canada and licensed by the CRTC. Otherwise, it simply wouldn't happen! Needless to say, an illegal station would never receive CIDA [Canadian International Development Agency {an agengency of the canadian Government!}] without IC and CRTC approval! Phil From jsgil@hal-pc.org Sun Sep 15 19:19:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 16 Sep 2002 02:19:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 91587 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 02:19:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2002 02:19:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 02:19:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2002 02:19:29 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 02:19:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT-Designing A Radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004801c25d07$37fee0c0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 779 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.128.116 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Christopher Cuff" wrote: > You have to remember that this has already been done- The Japanese made many > MC13024 based radios.Some AM/FM, some AM only- Some quite good, but no > American corp would bring them over. The MC13024 in forced stereo mode is a > good circuit. > CC I'm sure one of the issues is the 9KHz 10KHz channel spacing when it comes to the notch filter and if it is DTR. A separate batch would have to be made for the US market. I also think that most companies didn't think to much about AMS and didn't want to bother. The attraction to the MC13024 is the all in one feature with few external components unless extra post detection filtering is added. Manufacturing costs would be low for radio using this chip. JSG From dav259@csiro.au Sun Sep 15 21:43:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 16 Sep 2002 04:43:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 3746 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 04:43:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2002 04:43:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 04:43:37 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8G4hYc18221 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 14:43:35 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 14:43:34 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Aussie exposure In-Reply-To: <004c01c25d07$745559a0$0101a8c0@pavilion> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Sun, 15 Sep 2002, Christopher Cuff wrote: > A fellow from Down Under, Ian MacRae has written me and asked if he > could do a piece in his radio trade paper about AMS. I was delighted, > of course- Will fill you all in as I know more. Chris - Ian MacRae is a doyen of Oz radio - with 30 years in the business. His most famous slot was doing the breakfast shift on Sydney's 2SM when it was King - the last Sydney AM rocker - finishing in the early 80s following the arrival of FM. He now runs a radio school in Sydney for budding announcers and it seems is heard on their recent low power licence on 1611 - Radio 2. http://www.radio-two.com.au/ianmacrae.htm Ian From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Sep 15 22:13:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 16 Sep 2002 05:13:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 32967 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 05:13:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2002 05:13:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 05:13:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2002 05:13:46 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 05:13:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT-Designing A Radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004801c25d07$37fee0c0$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1630 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.84.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > You have to remember that this has already been done- The Japanese > made many MC13024 based radios.Some AM/FM, some AM only- Some quite > good, but no American corp would bring them over. The MC13024 in > forced stereo mode is a good circuit. To give an example of the kind of audio quality that the low-cost MC13024 chip has to offer, I made the following MP3 recordings of WCTC 1450 AM Stereo during their 2000 Christmas Music Special (the one time of the year this normally News/Talk station plays music). They were received on an Ando SS-100 AM-Stereo-only walkman which uses the MC13024 decoder. It is interesting to note that it seemed to lock onto WCTC's Stereo signal better at night (as in the first three files) than during the day (as in wctcxms4.mp3), even though 1450 WCTC is a 1000-watt "Local" station and thus suffers from the typical "graveyard channel" interference at night. I'm not sure but I believe the Ando uses a 4.5 kHz ceramic filter, but with a very gradual drop-off of response, so with a little EQ tweaking and a whistle filter added in, it can come very close to delivering AMAX-quality Stereo sound. ftp://209.193.86.116/North-America/USA/NewJersey/wctcxms1.mp3 ftp://209.193.86.116/North-America/USA/NewJersey/wctcxms2.mp3 ftp://209.193.86.116/North-America/USA/NewJersey/wctcxms3.mp3 ftp://209.193.86.116/North-America/USA/NewJersey/wctcxms4.mp3 The files are rather large, but they are amongst my favorites that I have ever recorded from WCTC and I think they are well worth the download time... at least if you're in the mood for Christmas music a few months early! From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sun Sep 15 23:01:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 16 Sep 2002 06:01:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 74584 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 06:01:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2002 06:01:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 06:01:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2002 06:01:33 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 06:01:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: A Seattle Engineers View on IBOC-AM Test Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020915200305.36425.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2277 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 141.157.198.30 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio It just amazes me how they can even consider this. Next Friday's Digital Roadshow in New York should be fun.... a day full of BS. --- In amstereoforum@y..., Johnny Electron wrote: > Comments from Clay Freinwald, broadcast engineer in Seattle says: > "...Now to the AM test. The AM system was installed on a local station > (KIXI-880). This station runs a DX50 into a 3 tower array. The impact on > a mono radio was VERY discouraging. Listening to 880 you were ok...but > above and below there your radio only received trash. On 900 you heard > trash and a beat note/birdy of some kind...on 910 we were hearing AM > modulation spurts and twerts. 25 miles from the array on 900 you could > still here the trash. Listening to adjacent channel stations was > impossible...for example...850 (10kw in Tacoma about 30 miles south) was > impossible for about 10 miles from the 880 array. Now I want to give > Ibiquity a bit of slack here. I understand that the Harris engineers that > were in town were having fits trying to get the IBOC thing to fly thru their > transmitter...perhaps they were never able to get the bugs out. I talked > with 880's engineer (George Bisso) and he said that it was operating within > the mask. My comments on this, made to several, if they were...I'd eat > their transmitter. I can tell you that if this is what AM IBOC does to the > AM band they we have REAL trouble. This would mean that that AM band in any > given market could 'hold' about 8 to 10 IBOC stations and the rest of the > band would become useless trash with a noise level that puts neon signs, > T-storms etc to shame. I tend to think that in the Seattle 880 case they > had a problem. If Ibiqity stands by the 880 installation....THEY HAVE A > REAL PROBLEM." > > Johnnyelectron comments: pretty disapointing that they could wreck the AM band > with IBOC instead of helping it. BTW, since IBOC has a bad name, they now are > calling it "HD Radio" as in High Definition Radio...yea, right. Keep your > congressman up to date about proposals before the FCC to destroy MW broadcasts. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! News - Today's headlines > http://news.yahoo.com From ccuff@in4web.com Mon Sep 16 00:03:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 16 Sep 2002 07:03:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 31558 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 07:03:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2002 07:03:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 07:03:05 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.31]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.4.232) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 03:00:58 -0400 Message-ID: <002501c25d4e$f2447480$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT-Designing A Radio Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 03:01:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I have never seen a 13024 radio with a digital readout. I have many in my collection (Parrot, Twin Bird, Aiwa, etc) but remember that the 13024 also has the unique feature of built in AFC - sometimes a problem, as if you are listening to skywave, and a stronger station comes in, the 13024 will go and lock on to the other station! CC ----- Original Message ----- From: jsgilst To: From rjskadl@yahoo.com Mon Sep 16 11:27:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 16 Sep 2002 18:27:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 19039 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 18:27:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2002 18:27:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 18:27:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2002 18:27:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:27:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT: IBOC Road Show NYC 9/20/02 Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 195 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 129.49.152.110 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl Is anyone from this Forum going to the IBOC Road Show In New York City This Friday? If you want to register (its free) you can do so at harris.broadcast.com I am sure it will be amusing. From rjskadl@yahoo.com Mon Sep 16 12:03:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 16 Sep 2002 19:03:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 52579 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 19:03:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2002 19:03:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 19:03:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2002 19:03:02 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 19:03:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT-Designing A Radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002501c25d4e$f2447480$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1292 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rjskadl" X-Originating-IP: 129.49.152.110 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl I am no electronics expert, But I think it would be nice to have a radio with the following features. AM Stereo (Full 10K Bandwidth) (narrow bandwidth) / (full bandwidth) switch (mono)/(stereo) switch FM Stereo (mono)/(stereo) switch FM SCA (sub carrier audio) VHF TV Audio * (mono)/(stereo/surround) switch UHF TV Audio * (mono)/(stereo/surround) switch Weather Band Radio (NOAA) XM & Sirius Ready * In full Surround Sound for Home and Car Radios, but simply in stereo for personal & portable radios. Car stereo unit to have output for rear seat area video monitor (for TV) Built in 6 CD Changer and cassette w/ auto reverse. Line in for mp3 player, etc. Home stereo version to have inputs for Cassette CD TV/VCR Computer Phono AUX 1 AUX 2 Home unit would also have in/out ports for optional effects mopdules such as EQ, Reverb, Limiting, and Automatic Volume control. The home unit would have the traditional 5 speaker setup for the Home Theater room, and also have three additional selectable speaker outputs for remote rooms around the house or yard. Theater room speakers would have separate source selection from the additional three so that the kids can watch snow white while mom listens to her favorite AM Stereo Oldies station on the patio. From amfmdx@fastq.com Mon Sep 16 12:55:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 16 Sep 2002 19:55:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 14769 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 19:55:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2002 19:55:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 19:55:01 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d145-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.177]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g8GJt0h40765 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 12:55:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <015201c25dba$d88cc6c0$70f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT-Designing A Radio Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 12:54:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Agreed with the following additions. Yes, I want everything... AM Stereo 10K Bandwidth narrow/ full mono bandwidth, mono/stereo switch A big 10" 1/2 inch round ferrite rod antenna! LW 150-300 kHz WITH WIDE/NARROW SWITCH HF 1.7 - 30 mHz WITH WIDE/NARROW AND FM CAPABILITY. FM Stereo with FM SCA mono/stereo switch VHF/UHF TV Audio mono/stereo switch CHANNEL 2-69 WITH DIGITAL TV SOUND AVAILABLE AND SAP AVAILABLE ALSO. Weather Band Radio (NOAA) XM & Sirius Ready WITH ANTENNA inputs for AUX 1, AUX 2, AUX 3 TWIN 6" SPEAKERS PORTABLE WITH A PRICE OF $500 OR LESS. Kevin From KC4QLP@aol.com Mon Sep 16 13:25:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 16 Sep 2002 20:25:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 85045 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 20:25:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2002 20:25:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d08.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 20:25:17 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.167.13f32bcb (30960) for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:25:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <167.13f32bcb.2ab79825@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:25:09 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT-Designing A Radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 102 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 9/16/02 3:57:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, amfmdx@fastq.com writes: << Agreed with the following additions. Yes, I want everything... AM Stereo 10K Bandwidth narrow/ full mono bandwidth, mono/stereo switch A big 10" 1/2 inch round ferrite rod antenna! LW 150-300 kHz WITH WIDE/NARROW SWITCH HF 1.7 - 30 mHz WITH WIDE/NARROW AND FM CAPABILITY. FM Stereo with FM SCA mono/stereo switch VHF/UHF TV Audio mono/stereo switch CHANNEL 2-69 WITH DIGITAL TV SOUND AVAILABLE AND SAP AVAILABLE ALSO. Weather Band Radio (NOAA) XM & Sirius Ready WITH ANTENNA inputs for AUX 1, AUX 2, AUX 3 TWIN 6" SPEAKERS PORTABLE WITH A PRICE OF $500 OR LESS. Kevin >> Hey Hey Hey! sounds all good to me...and it was designed WITHOUT the need of a consultant! ...and surprisely the world is still spinning on its axis! Kevin knows what I'm talking about...guess the rest of you would have to have been there on the other lists today. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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From penry@nortelnetworks.com Mon Sep 16 14:14:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: penry@nortelnetworks.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 16 Sep 2002 21:14:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 86321 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 21:14:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2002 21:14:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO zsc3s004.nortelnetworks.com) (47.81.138.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 21:14:16 -0000 Received: from zrc2s0jx.nortelnetworks.com (zrc2s0jx.nortelnetworks.com [47.103.122.112]) by zsc3s004.nortelnetworks.com (Switch-2.2.0/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id g8GLED623077 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 14:14:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zrc2c011.us.nortel.com (zrc2c011.us.nortel.com [47.103.120.51]) by zrc2s0jx.nortelnetworks.com (Switch-2.2.0/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id g8GLEQZ18857 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:14:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: by zrc2c011.us.nortel.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:14:13 -0500 Message-ID: <9596134A623ED511B7790002A560797403EDEEB1@zrc2c010.us.nortel.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Another Digital AM System!!! Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:14:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) From: "Charles Penry" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=376233 X-Yahoo-Profile: wa5vhu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Look everybody! Another digital AM system!! How wonderful!!! Charles ------------------------------------------------------------- This weekend at the IBC 2002 conferance in Amsterdam, the DRM (Digital Radi= o Mondiale) Consortium demonstrates digital AM for the broadcasting bands below 30 MHz. The quality of the sound is near-like FM and also text and other data can be broadcasted together with sound programmes. They are inviting radio amateurs to participitate in tests with a "software radio". For that you need a PC with a sound card and a software, planned to be released for radio amateurs in December. The cost for the software will be 60 Euro. You also need to get access to an IF of 12 kHz from your receiver to be connected to the sound card. The German company SAT-Service Scneider= , www.sat-schneider.de , is selling a very small mixer (39 Euro) that you connect to your receiver=B4s 455 kHz IF. I think DRM would be a nice featur= e to have with the FT-817. I have listened to DRM transmissions, even with programmes in stereo(!) on the short wave bands with a modified AOR 7030 by using the professional software radio program that is now available. Info about DRM can be found at www.drm.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From groucho@skyweb.net Mon Sep 16 15:59:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 16 Sep 2002 22:59:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 53565 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 22:59:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2002 22:59:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 22:59:30 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8GMxOvw057576 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:59:24 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3D866188.D5442D24@skyweb.net> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:56:08 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: IBOC Road Show NYC 9/20/02 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 SEND ME MORE INFO I MIGHT WANT TO GO...what Time ect... and where Neal rjskadl wrote: > Is anyone from this Forum going to the IBOC Road Show In New > York City This Friday? If you want to register (its free) you can do > so at harris.broadcast.com > > I am sure it will be amusing. > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From groucho@skyweb.net Mon Sep 16 16:01:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 16 Sep 2002 23:01:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 64943 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 23:01:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2002 23:01:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 23:01:22 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8GN1Gvw058023 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 19:01:16 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3D8661F8.A73A6B9E@skyweb.net> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:58:00 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: IBOC Road Show NYC 9/20/02 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 WRONG address its www.harrisbroadcast.com rjskadl wrote: > Is anyone from this Forum going to the IBOC Road Show In New > York City This Friday? If you want to register (its free) you can do > so at harris.broadcast.com > > I am sure it will be amusing. > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From KC4QLP@aol.com Mon Sep 16 17:10:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 17 Sep 2002 00:10:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 53817 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 00:10:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2002 00:10:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r02.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.98) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 00:10:32 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.8c.1e3b11af (4418) for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 20:10:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8c.1e3b11af.2ab7ccf5@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 20:10:29 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another Digital AM System!!! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 102 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 9/16/02 5:32:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, penry@nortelnetworks.com writes: << Info about DRM can be found at www.drm.org >> Hmmm..should be interesting to see how interference ridden that system is as well. Think I'll look into the software and do some testing when it becomes available Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms." Your message (if actually mailed) is in violation of the Federal Telephone Consumer Protection Act of 1991, and Collateral Code of Federal Regulations (47 CFR 64.1200). The TCPA allows a private right of action against the sender of unsolicited advertising. The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- Osama bin Laden can kiss my royal white American behind! From stodd@sherbtel.net Mon Sep 16 18:25:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 17 Sep 2002 01:25:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 80625 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 01:25:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2002 01:25:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 01:25:41 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-215.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.215]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g8H1LDZj011893 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 20:21:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004e01c25de9$5170b820$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT-Designing A Radio Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 20:26:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude After reading all the replies before responding, I'd say you've got the most realistic idea. Sure it would be nice to have an AMS radio with a train load of features, but until we get something like this out to the general public, the rest is all a pipe dream. It couldn't be an AM only radio unless it's a real cheapie (<$15 for a promo radio.) That's why the TM 152 didn't sell well. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: ". Narkspud" > I'd have it look and be priced just like the radios out there now, you'd > just need to add flat 10.2KHz frequency response, a whistle filter, and of > course CQUAM stereo to the AM section. From jsgil@hal-pc.org Mon Sep 16 18:39:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 17 Sep 2002 01:39:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 36145 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 01:39:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2002 01:39:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 01:39:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2002 01:39:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 01:39:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Designing A Radio Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1705 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.129.205 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst I also see a need for an AMS radio with FMS, LW & SW coverage but this all runs the cost up and the radio becomes more specialized and narrows the market for potential buyers. Whether we as a group take on such a project or just one of us it becomes a complex project with the more features we add. I'm not saying this shouldn't be one of our goals down the line but I'm sure Chris has something to say about trying to build and market AMS radios with various features. Right now the public has a shortabe of AMS radios there are plenty of AM/FMS radios and plenty of others with TV audio. I see the fastest way at the cheapest cost to get AMS to the people is with an AMS only pocket portable. The Sony SRF-42 fit this nitch although it also had mediocre FMS and sold for ~$30. At this price most people can afford to part with $30-$40 for AMS if their favorite music format is only found on AM and is in stereo. In order to get manufacturing costs down a large quantity will have to be made. I also think that we do not have the resources and marketing capabilities of the big electronics manufacturers to produce a model as cheap as them. If we did an AMS/FMS pocket portable then to keep costs down the complexity of the AMS section will have to be trimmed back in order to pay for the FMS section producing a lower fidelity AMS section. If we can get a bunch of AMS stations interested in purchasing some of these for give away promotion, this will help spur interest in the sales or the others. A project like this would be a good test on market demand for AMS. If the response is good and money can be made then this can be used finance the design and manufacture of more complex versions. JSG From groucho@skyweb.net Mon Sep 16 18:59:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 17 Sep 2002 01:59:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 34554 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 01:59:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2002 01:59:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 01:59:48 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8H1xgvw003958 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 21:59:42 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3D868BC8.983C93EA@skyweb.net> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 21:56:24 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Memorex BX1600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 hey Guys I just thought I would pass this On. Chris recently told us about converting a Memorex Sphere Boomball radio. well today Just for the hell of it I picked up 2 of them. and plan on adding a CC decoder to each of them. I have to say this. the FM receiver SUCKS.... But the AM Receiver is really Hot. I am now Talking about Night time Coverage at 1 kW I have a Carver TX-11B with a loop antenna and Hear WTTM ok on it But the signal is Not strong enough to get a Stereo Light. and get the same results with my panasonic RF-HS70 walkman with the Boom ball even though it does Not have a decoder in it yet. I hear WTTM almost Rock solid. I wonder if there is a way to hook up an external antenna mod to this receiver. Not that it really Needs it. Chris proved that its an easy conversion. I will agree that its a great candidate For AMS conversions. once again the FM receiver section sucks... Best of all its a digital tuner. I am going to recommend this receiver to My listeners... Neal From KC4QLP@aol.com Mon Sep 16 19:15:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 17 Sep 2002 02:15:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 24186 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 02:15:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2002 02:15:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 02:15:50 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.66.2736816d (4418) for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:15:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <66.2736816d.2ab7ea4d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:15:41 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: IBOC Road Show NYC 9/20/02 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 102 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp This address is more direct http://www.broadcast.harris.com .. Wont be able to go as Fridays this time of the year are quite busy...so Neal take notes for us. I did register anyways....maybe I'll get a T-shirt of out of the deal...something to remember this mess by years later! << WRONG address its www.harrisbroadcast.com rjskadl wrote: > Is anyone from this Forum going to the IBOC Road Show In New > York City This Friday? If you want to register (its free) you can do > so at harris.broadcast.com > > I am sure it will be amusing. >> Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms." Your message (if actually mailed) is in violation of the Federal Telephone Consumer Protection Act of 1991, and Collateral Code of Federal Regulations (47 CFR 64.1200). The TCPA allows a private right of action against the sender of unsolicited advertising. The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- Osama bin Laden can kiss my royal white American behind! From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Mon Sep 16 19:18:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 17 Sep 2002 02:18:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 10851 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 02:18:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2002 02:18:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 02:18:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2002 02:18:22 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 02:18:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT-Designing A Radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <015201c25dba$d88cc6c0$70f9bed8@kredding430cdt> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 818 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" wrote: > Agreed with the following additions. Yes, I want everything... > > AM Stereo 10K Bandwidth narrow/ full mono bandwidth, mono/stereo switch > A big 10" 1/2 inch round ferrite rod antenna! > > LW 150-300 kHz WITH WIDE/NARROW SWITCH > HF 1.7 - 30 mHz WITH WIDE/NARROW AND FM CAPABILITY. > > FM Stereo with FM SCA mono/stereo switch > VHF/UHF TV Audio mono/stereo switch > > CHANNEL 2-69 WITH DIGITAL TV SOUND AVAILABLE AND SAP AVAILABLE ALSO. > > Weather Band Radio (NOAA) > XM & Sirius Ready WITH ANTENNA > > inputs for > AUX 1, AUX 2, AUX 3 > > TWIN 6" SPEAKERS > > PORTABLE WITH A PRICE OF $500 OR LESS. > > Kevin All of that needs a built in casette deck... one with a recording section properly calibrated. =Mike Erickson= From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Mon Sep 16 19:23:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 17 Sep 2002 02:23:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 35905 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 02:23:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2002 02:23:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 02:23:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2002 02:23:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 02:23:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WCTC Christmas Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1995 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio I find it amusing that the song I first heard on an AM stereo set... Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree by Brenda Lee... which was in beautiful stereo on WICC... is not only mono, but it is mono missing a channel. =Mike Erickson= --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Kevin T." wrote: > > You have to remember that this has already been done- The Japanese > > made many MC13024 based radios.Some AM/FM, some AM only- Some quite > > good, but no American corp would bring them over. The MC13024 in > > forced stereo mode is a good circuit. > > To give an example of the kind of audio quality that the low-cost > MC13024 chip has to offer, I made the following MP3 recordings of > WCTC 1450 AM Stereo during their 2000 Christmas Music Special (the > one time of the year this normally News/Talk station plays music). > They were received on an Ando SS-100 AM-Stereo-only walkman which > uses the MC13024 decoder. > > It is interesting to note that it seemed to lock onto WCTC's Stereo > signal better at night (as in the first three files) than during the > day (as in wctcxms4.mp3), even though 1450 WCTC is a 1000-watt > "Local" station and thus suffers from the typical "graveyard channel" > interference at night. > > I'm not sure but I believe the Ando uses a 4.5 kHz ceramic filter, > but with a very gradual drop-off of response, so with a little EQ > tweaking and a whistle filter added in, it can come very close to > delivering AMAX-quality Stereo sound. > > ftp://209.193.86.116/North-America/USA/NewJersey/wctcxms1.mp3 > ftp://209.193.86.116/North-America/USA/NewJersey/wctcxms2.mp3 > ftp://209.193.86.116/North-America/USA/NewJersey/wctcxms3.mp3 > ftp://209.193.86.116/North-America/USA/NewJersey/wctcxms4.mp3 > > The files are rather large, but they are amongst my favorites that I > have ever recorded from WCTC and I think they are well worth the > download time... at least if you're in the mood for Christmas music a > few months early! From groucho@skyweb.net Mon Sep 16 19:23:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 17 Sep 2002 02:23:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 77596 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 02:23:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2002 02:23:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 02:23:37 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8H2NUvw008908 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:23:30 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3D86915B.E8716757@skyweb.net> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:20:11 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: IBOC Road Show NYC 9/20/02 References: <66.2736816d.2ab7ea4d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 anyone in this Group Streaming on the Internet.... we are still looking For an Inexpensive streaming service Neal KC4QLP@aol.com wrote: > This address is more direct http://www.broadcast.harris.com .. > > Wont be able to go as Fridays this time of the year are quite busy...so Neal > take notes for us. > I did register anyways....maybe I'll get a T-shirt of out of the > deal...something to remember this mess by years later! > > << WRONG address its > www.harrisbroadcast.com > > rjskadl wrote: > > > Is anyone from this Forum going to the IBOC Road Show In New > > York City This Friday? If you want to register (its free) you can do > > so at harris.broadcast.com > > > > I am sure it will be amusing. >> > > Bob Carter > Operations/Engineering > > WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 > Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio > Network > > Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering > services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. > e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com > http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice > Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC > WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC > WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC > > AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- > amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com > > amstereo-subcribe@topica.com > amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > > KC4QLP Amateur Radio > Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va > www.kc4qlp.cjb.net > > voice contact-252-335-0856 > fax 1-209-254-8978 > _______________________________________________________ > > WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter > 5, Subchapter II, > > "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a > download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of > these terms." > Your message (if actually mailed) is in violation of the Federal Telephone > Consumer Protection Act of 1991, and Collateral Code of Federal Regulations > (47 CFR 64.1200). The TCPA allows a private right of action against the > sender of unsolicited advertising. The recipient can sue for $500, or > actualdamages (whichever is greater). > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------------- > > Osama bin Laden can kiss my royal white American behind! > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From narkspud@hotmail.com Mon Sep 16 19:37:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: narkspud@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 17 Sep 2002 02:37:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 75161 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 02:37:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2002 02:37:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 02:37:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2002 02:37:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 02:37:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Designing A Radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 652 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "narkspud" X-Originating-IP: 66.159.192.39 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81956306 X-Yahoo-Profile: narkspud The ideal would be to come up with a chip or circuit assembly or something that manufacturers could use to add AM Stereo WITHOUT *ANY* INCREASE IN COST. Then it becomes a question of "why the heck not?". I hope that's what Fanfare has in mind. My stupid Target didn't have the Memorex sphere, but if its AM is really all that, I consider that a mighty good sign. I've noticed that those spiffy white Sony boomboxes with the black handle with speakers on either side also have an above-average AM section. Go for the stereo, guys! Goooooo toward the liiiiiight!!! narkspud (has other stupid Targets around to check when he gets the time) From groucho@skyweb.net Mon Sep 16 19:45:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 17 Sep 2002 02:45:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 22239 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 02:45:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2002 02:45:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 02:45:31 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8H2jOvw013304 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:45:24 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3D86967D.29B9598@skyweb.net> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:42:05 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Designing A Radio References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 the First 2 targets didn't have them. But the 3rd one had 12 out on display Now 10.. I didn't ask how many they actually had in stock. I don't care for the radios design But it does have a great little AM reciever...for once an FM receiver that Sucks Yippy.. Neal narkspud wrote: > The ideal would be to come up with a chip or circuit assembly or > something that manufacturers could use to add AM Stereo > WITHOUT *ANY* INCREASE IN COST. Then it becomes a > question of "why the heck not?". > > I hope that's what Fanfare has in mind. > > My stupid Target didn't have the Memorex sphere, but if its AM is > really all that, I consider that a mighty good sign. I've noticed that > those spiffy white Sony boomboxes with the black handle with > speakers on either side also have an above-average AM section. > Go for the stereo, guys! Goooooo toward the liiiiiight!!! > > narkspud (has other stupid Targets around to check when he > gets the time) > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Sep 16 19:53:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 17 Sep 2002 02:53:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 18899 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 02:53:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2002 02:53:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 02:53:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2002 02:53:53 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 02:53:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT-Designing A Radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002501c25d4e$f2447480$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1585 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.85.11 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > the 13024 also has the unique feature of built in AFC - sometimes a > problem, as if you are listening to skywave, and a stronger station > comes in, the 13024 will go and lock on to the other station! One of the most amusing implementations of AFC (on the FM band) is that of Realistic's "Auto-Magic" on their '80s tuners... with enough patience, you can can "walk" a station all the way across the dial, so that at, say, 102 MHz it will still be locked onto a station you originally tuned in at 98 MHz! Every time you nudge the dial, the Auto-Magic re-locks onto the station, and if you don't push it too far with each nudge, you can keep going.... needless to say, it is pretty worthless for DXing, as it will keep locking onto the strong signals and then the dial calibration will get all screwed up. Even back in the 1930s, some fancy radios had a type of AFC on the AM band, as well as a "Selectivity" or "Fidelity" knob which served as a continuously variable bandwidth control, rather than fixed "Wide" or "Narrow" settings. In some respects, the '30s were the height of AM radio design -- WWII basically put a halt on new designs in the '40s, and then by the '50s, the emphasis was already being placed on FM and the Hi-Fi/Stereo revolution of recorded music listening. When restored to original performance, many of the vintage '30s console and "cathedral" radios can deliver truly spectacular reception and sound quality, with fidelity much greater than what the limited recording and broadcasting techniques of the time could originally provide. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Sep 16 20:02:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 17 Sep 2002 03:02:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 66921 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 03:02:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2002 03:02:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 03:02:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2002 03:02:34 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 03:02:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WCTC Christmas Stereo Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1313 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.85.11 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I find it amusing that the song I first heard on an AM stereo > set... Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree by Brenda Lee... which was > in beautiful stereo on WICC... is not only mono, but it is mono > missing a channel. At the time, WCTC's Xmas music collection was actually nothing more than a series of cassette tapes -- each year I would hear the same songs in the same order! And besides having "Rockin'..." missing a channel, they also played a few old Sinatra songs off of "Electronic Stereo" LPs, with a spaced-out "singing in the bathroom" sound complemented by pops and clicks. However, this past year, WCTC finally modernized it to a CD playback system, and now I was finally able to enjoy "Rockin'..." in full true Stereo, as well as a few newer songs they didn't play before -- including the love-it-or-hate-it "Last Christmas" by George Michael! I also do have an MP3 of Christmas music from 600 WICC last year, back when they were still playing music on weekdays... it was DX reception, so the audio fidelity is not perfect, but it is still enjoyable to listen to: ftp://209.193.86.116/North-America/USA/Connecticut/wicc1217.mp3 This was recorded December 17, 2001 on my Japanese-import Panasonic walkman (TA8124 chip) at about a 90 mile distance away from WICC's transmitter. From KC4QLP@aol.com Mon Sep 16 20:10:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 17 Sep 2002 03:10:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 66995 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 03:10:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2002 03:10:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.34) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 03:10:44 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.33.2d201760 (4418) for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 23:10:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33.2d201760.2ab7f72d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 23:10:37 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: IBOC Road Show NYC 9/20/02 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 102 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 9/16/02 10:24:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, groucho@skyweb.net writes: << anyone in this Group Streaming on the Internet.... we are still looking For an Inexpensive streaming service Neal >> Neal...I use shoutcast.com and have been using them for quite a while now. Hook that up with a DNS that will turn your IP address into a regular address that can be linked to from a webpage and you're all set. On 9-11-02 I had well over 100 hits on the audio stream. Unfortunately I'm just using a stupid slow dial up to stream the audio...so it has the tendency to skip some...even with the bit rate set to 24kbps mono ....gonna have to search the net for an old codec so I can lower that some and stream in stereo again. Also just to note,my shoutcast stream is relayed on live365.com,but if your not a payer to the royalities of those money hoggin dummies at RIAA..you wont be able to listen there. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Sep 16 21:55:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 17 Sep 2002 04:55:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 22314 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 04:55:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2002 04:55:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 04:55:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2002 04:54:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 04:54:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Another Digital AM System!!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9596134A623ED511B7790002A560797403EDEEB1@zrc2c010.us.nortel.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1214 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.85.11 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Look everybody! Another digital AM system!! How wonderful!!! The catch with DRM is that it is a digital-only system... so, people with regular analog radios won't be able to receive it at all. Thus, it would never even be considered for use in North America; even though it is supposedly pretty good in terms of digital-mode performance, and it actually fits into existing bandwidth limits without "splattering" out over adjacent channels, the lack of compatibility with the billions of existing analog AM radios is the reason why you won't see DRM on this side of the Atlantic. Of course, that isn't stopping the spread of Digital TV, but the reason for that initiative is that there are *big* bucks to be made by selling off the VHF TV spectrum space once all the TV stations switch to DTV on the UHF band, just as the top end of the original UHF band (channels 70-83) was sold off to be used by cellular phones. On the other hand, the AM band has limited potential for use by anything other than radio broadcasting, so there would be no benefit to dismantling an 80-year-old commmunications legacy just to have it sit as blank spectrum space with no takers to use it for anything else. From dav259@csiro.au Mon Sep 16 22:26:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 17 Sep 2002 05:26:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 52842 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 05:26:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2002 05:26:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 05:26:48 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8H5Qlc06776 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:26:47 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:26:47 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Another Digital AM System!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, Kevin T. wrote: > On the other hand, the AM band has limited potential for use by > anything other than radio broadcasting, so there would be no benefit > to dismantling an 80-year-old commmunications legacy just to have it > sit as blank spectrum space with no takers to use it for anything > else. In the event of a nuclear holocaust the AM band may prove to be the most effective way of communicating to the masses - even across continents. Just about every household has a radio (most probably between five and 10 or more). Governments would be mad to let the AM band vanish till a working alternative is in place. From amfmdx@fastq.com Mon Sep 16 23:18:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 17 Sep 2002 06:18:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 6132 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 06:18:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2002 06:18:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 06:18:56 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d48-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.80]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g8H6Ith55665 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 23:18:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <01af01c25e11$eabe7300$70f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <167.13f32bcb.2ab79825@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT-Designing A Radio Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 23:17:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Hey Hey Hey! sounds all good to me...and it was designed WITHOUT the need of > a consultant! ...and surprisely the world is still spinning on its axis! > Kevin knows what I'm talking about... Bob, You will never see that corporate toady on the DX list. That is a stone guarantee. Thank God hes not here. Kevin From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Sep 17 01:11:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 17 Sep 2002 08:11:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 80921 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 08:11:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2002 08:11:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 08:11:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2002 08:11:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:11:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Another Digital AM System!!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1605 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.85.11 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > In the event of a nuclear holocaust the AM band may prove to be the > most effective way of communicating to the masses - even across > continents. Actually, Longwave would work even better, and in the '60s, the U.S. government had plans to set up a network of longwave transmitters whose sole purpose would be to deliver "emergency" messages to the American public. The scheme was that every radio and TV sold in the USA would be required to have the appropriate Longwave reception circuit which would automatically allow these messages to be heard, even when turned off. Aside from one 50,000-watt Longwave test station which broadcast continuous time announcements (like WWV), this system was never built. However, the basic idea carried into today's NOAA Weather Radio system, on 162 MHz VHF, which has the same feature where emergency alerts will automatically turn on the receiver. (And more and more radios seem to be including NOAA reception... hmm... are they preparing us for another Cold War?) Another thing to remember is that within a close enough range, a nuclear blast sends out electromatic radiation strong enough to destroy solid-state electronics. Only vacuum tube (valve)-type electronics are physically sturdy enough to survive. This was no problem in the '50s or '60s when virtually all transmitting equipment was tube-based, and it could be assumed that the average family had at least one tube-type radio in the house or even in their car. But today, you can only imagine all the computers and digital electronics that would be rendered useless.... From groucho@skyweb.net Tue Sep 17 03:17:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 17 Sep 2002 10:17:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 60122 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 10:17:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2002 10:17:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 10:17:18 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8HAHBvw000634 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 06:17:12 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3D87005E.D5CA6A17@skyweb.net> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 06:13:50 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Another Digital AM System!!! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 wait a minute your talking about our Government... we already know they are Mad. look at what they did to 11 meters, the Amateur license format. the 220 Mhz spectrum, the original Class D FM's. the top half of the UHF spectrum, deregulation of the airlines as well as the Broadcast Industry, what have I left out... Neal Ian Davidson wrote: > Governments would be mad to let the AM band vanish till a > working alternative is in place. > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From philipr@irac.pe.ca Tue Sep 17 05:30:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 17 Sep 2002 12:30:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 42887 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 12:30:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2002 12:30:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 12:30:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2002 12:30:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:30:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT-Designing A Radio Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2258 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Phil Rafuse" X-Originating-IP: 142.176.20.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Kevin T." wrote: When > restored to original performance, many of the vintage '30s console > and "cathedral" radios can deliver truly spectacular reception and > sound quality, with fidelity much greater than what the limited > recording and broadcasting techniques of the time could originally > provide. I agree 100% - I recently completed a minor restoration of a Philco Model 66 cathedral radio - although this little 5 tube beast doesn't have variable bandwidth, the top end with its new speaker - built into the old speaker basket and disguised with a foam baffle "cone" is very good, especially when receiving broasdcast from the Alfredo- Lite Transmitter! Concerning the idea of designing an AM stereo receiver, I like the idea of a multi-purpose module. This could be enclosed in a compact plastic case for a walkman style rig. Or, the same module, simply using a larger ferrite bar, could be used in a wide variety of other guises, from boomboxes to table radios. Just add a stereo amp module with some muscle for these larger applications. Chris had made some stuff with clear cases. Interestingly enough, everyone who has seen my Alfredo Lite [including my wife, who is no electronics junkie] has really liked the appearance of the A-L in its clear case. HHHHHmmmmmm, think outside the box, think outside the box... It's been discussed before the challenge of coming up with a case... perhaps we can brainstorm some ideas... Remember Panapets, toot-a-loops etc? I think a really whacky case idea would capture the public's imagination - hhhhmmm, maybe we could come up with a wacky-shaped case made out of PVC pipe and elbows? Speakers mounted up top, controls near the bottom. Something you could wear loosely arround your neck - with or without a Hawaiian motiff? PVC drain pipe is stong stuff - ideal for the walker, jogger etc. Kind of a walkman, without the need for headphones - the speakers are placed near, not on your ears. And, its all one piece. HHMMM, make one out and test market it on eBay! Or for the beach, the cooler radio [she sells "c" cells by the seashore]? Hmmmm, would Rubbermaid be interested in molding a radio case? Phil From n0uiheric@aol.com Tue Sep 17 11:41:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 17 Sep 2002 18:41:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 76996 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 18:40:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2002 18:40:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r08.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.104) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 18:40:57 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.fe.1df99bfe (4446) for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:40:53 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT-Designing A Radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih I wouldn't want LW coverage, especially since the 160-190 kHz portion will most likely become an Amateur Radio band. No continuous SW coverage; just the broadcast bands. No TV, no satellite radio. NOAA Weather Radio is okay. 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From KC4QLP@aol.com Tue Sep 17 12:47:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 17 Sep 2002 19:47:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 34446 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 19:47:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2002 19:47:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r05.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.101) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 19:47:42 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.156.1433c54b (3964) for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:47:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <156.1433c54b.2ab8e0d7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:47:35 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT-Designing A Radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 106 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 9/17/02 2:19:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, amfmdx@fastq.com writes: << Bob, You will never see that corporate toady on the DX list. That is a stone guarantee. Thank God hes not here. Kevin >> AMEN! ..if he was here I'd have to find'em..send'em to Iraq and wait for 'em to get blown up! LOL Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms." Your message (if actually mailed) is in violation of the Federal Telephone Consumer Protection Act of 1991, and Collateral Code of Federal Regulations (47 CFR 64.1200). The TCPA allows a private right of action against the sender of unsolicited advertising. The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- Osama bin Laden can kiss my royal white American behind! From KC4QLP@aol.com Tue Sep 17 12:53:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 17 Sep 2002 19:53:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 40744 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 19:53:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2002 19:53:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 19:53:48 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.16c.13e49635 (3964) for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <16c.13e49635.2ab8e242@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:53:38 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Another Digital AM System!!! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 106 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 9/17/02 4:13:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kevtronics@yahoo.com writes: << Another thing to remember is that within a close enough range, a nuclear blast sends out electromatic radiation strong enough to destroy solid-state electronics. Only vacuum tube (valve)-type electronics are physically sturdy enough to survive. This was no problem in the '50s or '60s when virtually all transmitting equipment was tube-based, and it could be assumed that the average family had at least one tube-type radio in the house or even in their car. But today, you can only imagine all the computers and digital electronics that would be rendered useless.... >> Dont forget radio stations too! ..Most are running from computers and static sensitive satellite receivers,EAS receivers..and on and on...not to mention most stations transmitters are solid state,RPU's solid state,remote controls solid state....shhhez! I will however be ok here ....The generator is an oldie from the 60's....a good old fashion diesel generator..nothing like the ones today...and our transmitting gear is still vacuum tube. And with me having other tube receivers and the like...folks around here would be in good hands if such a travesty occured. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms." Your message (if actually mailed) is in violation of the Federal Telephone Consumer Protection Act of 1991, and Collateral Code of Federal Regulations (47 CFR 64.1200). The TCPA allows a private right of action against the sender of unsolicited advertising. The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- Osama bin Laden can kiss my royal white American behind! From ccuff@in4web.com Tue Sep 17 15:31:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 17 Sep 2002 22:31:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 16412 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 22:31:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2002 22:31:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 22:31:12 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.49]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.4.232) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:28:34 -0400 Message-ID: <005501c25e99$c482aa20$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: Subject: 2 more leave ESPN Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:30:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Two of our local am stations have left ESPN sports, and are now Spanish music/variety WALL 1340 in Middletown and WEOK 1370 in Poughkeepsie. Both will feature live programming, local, for the Hispanic community. These are both Cumulus Media stations, and while WALL has never been stereo, WEOK was at one time. I think Cumulus has a "tolerance" stance on am stereo (WICC) but don't know if they can be persuaded any further... CC From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Sep 17 17:38:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 18 Sep 2002 00:38:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 20585 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 00:38:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2002 00:38:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 00:38:28 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-95.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.95]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g8I0XwlD021008 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:33:59 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003a01c25eab$e58ae9a0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Another Digital AM System!!! Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:39:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-eGroups-From: "Scott Todd" From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Sounds like I'll have to keep some batteries on hand to power up the old Atwater Kent... ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > Another thing to remember is that within a close enough range, a > nuclear blast sends out electromatic radiation strong enough to > destroy solid-state electronics. Only vacuum tube (valve)-type > electronics are physically sturdy enough to survive. From stodd@sherbtel.net Tue Sep 17 17:46:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 18 Sep 2002 00:46:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 37169 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 00:46:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2002 00:46:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 00:46:51 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-95.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.95]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g8I0gLlD022846 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:42:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <005f01c25ead$113a9400$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT-Designing A Radio Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:48:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-eGroups-From: "Scott Todd" From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Sounds a bit akin to the old Bone-Phone radios of 20 years ago. Considering how some things that flopped when originally issued come to prominence when reintroduced years later, this might be worth considering, but I doubt it should be made of PVC pipe as it wouldn't be too comfortable. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Rafuse" To: > - hhhhmmm, maybe we > could come up with a wacky-shaped case made out of PVC pipe and > elbows? Speakers mounted up top, controls near the bottom. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Sep 17 20:33:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 18 Sep 2002 03:33:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 15553 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 03:33:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2002 03:33:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 03:33:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2002 03:33:56 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 03:33:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 2 more leave ESPN Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005501c25e99$c482aa20$0101a8c0@pavilion> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2353 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.149 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > These are both Cumulus Media stations, and while WALL has never > been stereo, WEOK was at one time. Via daytime DX here in NJ, I used to get what seemed like a Stereo pilot tone from 1390 WEOK during their Talk format, but I always thought it was just "falsing". On my trip up to Canada last summer, they were definitely Mono. > I think Cumulus has a "tolerance" stance on am stereo (WICC) but > don't know if they can be persuaded any further... WICC may still be in Stereo, but Cumulus is tearing the station to bits in terms of its programming. Now they have even dumped the weekend Polka music shows, claiming that they want to further change WICC into an all-news/talk/sports format. I think now the only time they play music is when they have some local sporting event scheduled but it is delayed or cancelled, so they fill the time with music. Taking the opposite approach, however, is Greater Media in NJ -- their flagship station, WCTC 1450 AM Stereo, has just unveiled a refreshed News/Talk format with LIVE, LOCAL programming replacing syndicated talk shows like Dr. Laura and Clark Howard. It is still all-talk, but it is now back to a local Central NJ emphasis with live, local programming from 6:00 AM to 7:00 PM on weekdays, and with live half-hourly news/traffic/weather updates extending through the nighttime hours. To complement this, WCTC has a new liner/jingle/bumper music package which is all in excellent-sounding full Stereo, except for the hourly ID! I hope they get around to getting that mixed in Stereo, but otherwise the "New" WCTC sounds great. And the amusing thing is, all of their liners, commercials, PSAs, etc. are played from good old fashioned carts! It is quite interesting to hear the talk show host describe the multiple computers and all the high-tech equipment they have in the studio -- and then the next minute they complain about a cart not being cued up. [For the uninitiated, a "cart" is a type of audio tape cartridge used by radio stations that is essentially the same thing as an 8-track tape, except it is only 2-track Stereo and plays at a higher speed, for better audio quality. It is designed as a repeating loop with a cueing tone at the end, so it can play a commercial, ID, jingle, etc. and always be ready to start again without having to rewind.] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Sep 17 23:05:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 18 Sep 2002 06:05:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 2657 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 06:05:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2002 06:05:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 06:05:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2002 06:05:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 06:05:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: AM is #1 Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1227 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.78.149 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Although not exactly earth-shattering news, I find it interesting to note that out of the Top 10 largest cities in the USA (in terms of radio-listening population), five out of these ten cities have an AM station as their Number 1 Arbitron-rated radio station -- WGN in Chicago, KGO in San Francisco, KYW in Philadelphia, WBZ in Boston, and WJR in Detroit. Interestingly, all five of these stations also have three-letter call signs! As for the rest of the Top 10 cities, Los Angeles just misses with KFI in the #2 local ratings position, Washington DC with WTOP at #3, Dallas/Ft. Worth with WBAP at #5, New York City with WABC in the #7 slot, and the relatively AM-unfriendly Houston/Galveston with KTRH only scoring a #8 rank in its local ratings. Needless to say, these are all News and/or Talk stations, but still, it is clear that in many of the most highly populated areas of the country, people still have the AM band as their top choice for radio listening. And for the record, WGN, WJR, and WBAP broadcast in AM Stereo, while KYW, WBZ, and KFI were formerly in Stereo, WABC used Kahn Stereo briefly in the '80s, WTOP has never used Stereo, and I'm unsure about KGO and KTRH (both currently mono). From dav259@csiro.au Tue Sep 17 23:26:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 18 Sep 2002 06:26:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 40632 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 06:26:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2002 06:26:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 06:26:12 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8I6QBc27973 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:26:11 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:26:11 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM is #1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Kevin T. wrote: > Although not exactly earth-shattering news, I find it interesting to > note that out of the Top 10 largest cities in the USA (in terms of > radio-listening population), five out of these ten cities have an AM > station as their Number 1 Arbitron-rated radio station In Melbourne's recent Survey#6 3AW (Talking Melbourne) was No 1. Overall AM stations got 43% and FM stations got 51% - non-rated (community stations) 6%. AM is still very healthy here but some kids don't seem to know (or care) that it exists. The ratings done be ACNeilsen - "the global leader in market research, information and analysis", still done in diaries, are soon up for grabs and Arbitron looks set to bid for the use of people-meters. I reckon the top stations figures are inflated while the lower ones are sometimes a little forgotten about by people using the diary system. People remember the top stations better and are likely to record them if they can't remember. From spfleck@citlink.net Wed Sep 18 04:35:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: spfleck@citlink.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 18 Sep 2002 11:35:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 75599 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 11:35:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2002 11:35:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO relay04.roc.frontiernet.net) (66.133.131.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 11:35:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 9342 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 11:35:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Steve) ([170.215.241.180]) (envelope-sender ) by relay04.roc.frontiernet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 18 Sep 2002 11:35:45 -0000 Message-ID: <00c501c25f07$870a3c80$01c8a8c0@N2UBP> To: References: <1032321457.595.84223.m12@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Emergencies - AM radio and life as we know it Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:35:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Steve Fleckenstein" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2988995 X-Yahoo-Profile: n2ubp For the last 8 months I have not been able to receive BCB or HF transmissions in my home if my radios are AC powered unless the xmitter is almost in my backyard. The noise coming thru the AC power lines wipes everything out. It isn't a local problem like a pole transformer or light. The problem seems to be coming from miles away. This summer we lost power after a severe storm. The power company rerouted our connections about 5 miles away to bring us power from other high lines and then for a few weeks we had clear BCB reception. Then 2 weeks ago after some more switching the noise is back. Wonder if I call the power company, get past their voice mail, wonder if I could get it fixed somehow ? I can turn the enitre house off via circuit breakers except for one short run single outlet circuit, plug my radio in that outlet and still get the noise. It isn't coming from my home. Battery power or nothing... There are perhaps 5 AM stations in my county. The closest one was a local studio place until bought out by a megaconglomerate and transformed into a lights out ESPN sports only station , remote controlled from 50 mile away studio in Poughkeepsie. Now it is a Spanish Only Station. They wouldn't dare break into a satellite feed for an emergency. Another station has lost it tower for years and running extremely low power from a temp site that can barely get a signal 5 miles down the road. Another local station to my south has it's head up its butt. If you don't live in the town it broadcasts from or are not a democratic party member you are considered a hick and not invited to listen in. Another station on the hudson river runs nonstop CNN and sometimes dead air for hours. FM radio is a fight between NPR and Christian broadcasters. I can pickup the same Christian broadcast on 4 different freqs on FM and the same NPR broadcast on three different freqs, the freqs being almost back to back with each other. I gave up on BCB radio and have a large collection of CD's with old radio shows and music to play whole traveling. Orange County, NY radio sucks. Steve From jeffdeck@aol.com Wed Sep 18 05:09:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 18 Sep 2002 12:09:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 80219 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 12:09:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2002 12:09:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r02.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.98) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 12:09:53 -0000 Received: from Jeffdeck@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.1a9.8ac84de (18707); Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1a9.8ac84de.2ab9c70e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:09:50 EDT Subject: MC13028AP To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@bellsouth.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10578 From: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4430287 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All, I have Motorola "original McCoy" MC13028AP for sale: $5 each or $80 for 20 chips, plus postage. 1998 date code. This was my cost from Arrow, and now they want 200 piece minimum purchase. If you purchase 20 pieces, I will include the original Motorola shipping container. Please respond privately, if interested. Thanks. 73, Jeff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kmoreen@yahoo.com Wed Sep 18 06:54:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kmoreen@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 18 Sep 2002 13:54:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 32172 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 13:54:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2002 13:54:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 13:54:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2002 13:54:51 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 13:54:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: were can I get a decoder for the memorex MOD Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 110 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kmoreen" X-Originating-IP: 149.112.24.33 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91684692 X-Yahoo-Profile: kmoreen Hi, I got one of the memorex red boomboxes and want to convert to AM Stereo. Who can I buy the decoder from? From amfmdx@fastq.com Wed Sep 18 07:42:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 18 Sep 2002 14:42:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 86213 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 14:42:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2002 14:42:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 14:42:30 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d112-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.144]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g8IEgRh91300 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:42:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <022301c25f21$6ef7faa0$67f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <1032321457.595.84223.m12@yahoogroups.com> <00c501c25f07$870a3c80$01c8a8c0@N2UBP> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Emergencies - AM radio and life as we know it Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:41:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > For the last 8 months I have not been able to receive BCB or HF > transmissions in my home if my radios are AC powered unless the xmitter is > almost in my backyard. I have been through this big time! > The noise coming thru the AC power lines wipes everything out. And this was my problem.... > It isn't a local problem like a pole transformer or light. This is going to be difficult, painful and time consuming, but if you do the things I ask, it will be very rewarding. Remember, this is going to suck up a lot of time but it will give you back the AM BCB. > The problem seems to be coming from miles away. Are you sure? When you are in the car, and you get out of the house, and are a half block away, do you still have the problem on the car radio? This tipped me off that the problem was not outside my house. > This summer we lost power after a severe storm. > The power company rerouted our connections about 5 miles away to bring us > power from other high lines and then for a few weeks we had clear BCB > reception. This may show the problem is outside and actually from the powerco. > Then 2 weeks ago after some more switching the noise is back. Coincidence or did all the switching screw the power supply of something up? > Wonder if I call the power company, get past their voice mail, wonder if I > could get it fixed somehow ? I called the powerco. They came out and checked. They said my neighbor had a huge amount of noise coming from his house. They said a I had noise coming from my house. They said my noise was small compared to the neighbor. They said there was no isolation from house to house and one house with a bad item will create noise for another house. They talked to the neighbor, he turned something off and it helped a little. > I can turn the enitre house off via circuit breakers except for one short > run single outlet circuit, plug my radio in that outlet and still get the > noise. It isn't coming from my home. Are you sure? I did this and still had noise and it was still in my house. I had to disconnect the cable also to make it quiet. The cable for TV carried a lot of noise. The shield underground was cut a long time ago and created a cable leak, and there was an amplifier with a problem down the street. The noise was passed in the TV cable. > Battery power or nothing... Do you have any noise on battery power? I went this route and still do but I could run off AC mains now with only a little noise. Before it was total wipeout. I still use battery power. > I gave up on BCB radio and have a large collection of CD's with old radio > shows and music to play whole traveling. Many have done this because radio on AM and FM sucks badly. Heres what I did.... I found a large bank of fluorescent lights in the kitchen had a bad ballast and I had to replace the ballast. The cable TV feedline from the street to the house had to be replaced. I found that the power supply for my laptop makes noise. When I want to DX I have to unplug it. There were three wall sockets for power that were wired for series. This allowed noise to run in the house power lines instead of running to ground. The sockets were wired for parallel. Much of the noise was gone. The noise then ran down the ground. I found that my smaller 25" TV has a bad power supply and was feeding noise into the lines. I put the TV on a zip strip and plugged it in with the cable box for it. When I want to DX, I shut off the switch on the zip strip cutting off power to the power supply. The power supply feeds noise back even when turned off so shutting off power to the TV finished off the rest of the noise in the house. All this stuff cut off about 90% of my noise. I can DX again. Kevin From jeffdeck@aol.com Wed Sep 18 09:52:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 18 Sep 2002 16:52:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 59478 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 16:52:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2002 16:52:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 16:52:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2002 16:52:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:52:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: were can I get a decoder for the memorex MOD Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 388 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jeffdeck2001" X-Originating-IP: 205.188.209.76 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4430287 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Chris Cuff and I can source AM stereo decoders. MC13028AP that I am selling are the DIP 16-pin version, and not the SMT chip. This may make a difference in your purchase decision. 73, Jeff In a message dated 9/18/2002 9:55:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, you write: >Hi, I got one of the memorex red boomboxes and want to convert to AM >Stereo. Who can I buy the decoder from? From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Sep 18 10:09:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 18 Sep 2002 17:09:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 98031 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 17:09:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2002 17:09:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14205.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.151) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 17:09:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20020918170923.92597.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:09:23 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:09:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Who's Puttin' the big bids on? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: John Pavlica X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Is "one of our own" trying to get the Cquam exciter that's on eBay? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From groucho@skyweb.net Wed Sep 18 11:17:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 18 Sep 2002 18:17:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 44188 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 18:17:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2002 18:17:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 18:17:27 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8IIHMvw054941 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:17:22 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3D88C263.40A3FA18@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:13:55 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Who's Puttin' the big bids on? References: <20020918170923.92597.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Yes Neal CE-WTTM John Pavlica wrote: > Is "one of our own" trying to get the Cquam exciter that's on eBay? > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! News - Today's headlines > http://news.yahoo.com > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From groucho@skyweb.net Wed Sep 18 11:20:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 18 Sep 2002 18:20:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 23055 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 18:20:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2002 18:20:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 18:20:08 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8IIK3vw056429 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:20:03 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3D88C304.9E4384A0@skyweb.net> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:16:36 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Who's Puttin' the big bids on? References: <20020918170923.92597.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Ohh I forgot. I'm presently the High Bidder. Neal-whatamix Chief Engineer WTTM 1680 am stereo Princeton,New Jersey John Pavlica wrote: > Is "one of our own" trying to get the Cquam exciter that's on eBay? > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! News - Today's headlines > http://news.yahoo.com > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Wed Sep 18 11:40:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 18 Sep 2002 18:40:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 29694 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 18:40:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2002 18:40:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 18:40:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2002 18:40:31 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:40:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: DRM DIGITAL RADIO INFO AND PIC! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 66 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 217.148.41.102 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Looking good! http://www.rnw.nl/realradio/html/drm_software.html From stodd@sherbtel.net Wed Sep 18 18:23:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 19 Sep 2002 01:23:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 39142 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 01:23:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2002 01:23:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 01:23:38 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-130.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.130]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g8J1J69A014800 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:19:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004601c25f7b$60fe7460$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <1032321457.595.84223.m12@yahoogroups.com> <00c501c25f07$870a3c80$01c8a8c0@N2UBP> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Emergencies - AM radio and life as we know it Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:25:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Sorry to hear of your plight. I've known hams who have tracked noise down and found it eminating five miles away and more. Don't know their exact technique, but if you can hear it on a portable or on a car radio, so much the better. Follow the lines til it gets really loud will likely do it. As dismal as AM in your area sounds, might be a good time to save a few bucks in the hopes one becomes available. Regarding that one station you pretty much have to be a Democrat to participate, I've noticed that liberals are more welcome on conservative shows than conservatives are on liberal shows (with the possible exception of Michael Savage.) Medved, Prager, Gallagher all practically throw a party when a liberal calls in. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Fleckenstein" > The noise coming thru the AC power lines wipes everything out. > There are perhaps 5 AM stations in my county. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Sep 18 19:09:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 19 Sep 2002 02:09:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 23000 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 02:09:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2002 02:09:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 02:09:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2002 02:09:10 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 02:09:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: DRM DIGITAL RADIO INFO AND PIC! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1326 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.151 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Looking good! > http://www.rnw.nl/realradio/html/drm_software.html Their trained typewriting monkeys spewed forth the following: > > > "The DRM system also uses aacPlus by Coding Technologies as the standard audio coding format. aacPlus is a combination of MPEG AAC (Advanced Audio Coding) with Coding Technologies' groundbreaking SBR (Spectral Band Replication) bandwidth extension algorithm." < < < SBR is just a way of saying that it has fake, "simulated" treble, crudely based on a few bits of data per second to help it "guess" what harmonics of the lower audio frequencies to "replicate" into the treble region. AAC with SBR is the same exact audio encoding format that XM and Sirius satellite both use. However, XM and Sirius use it at 64 kbps in Stereo, while DRM will be using it at around 25 kbps in mono. I've listened to the few audio demo clips on the DRM web site, including voice and classical music... and I'd still take a narrow- bandwidth analog signal with background noise and propagation effects over the very poor quality that DRM's digital audio offers. And even if DRM becomes widespread on Shortwave, I don't think it will do anything to reduce the amount of jokers who transmit whistling, sound effects, music, and lots of "Hola Hola HOOOLLLLAA!" on top of WWV on 10.000 MHz! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Sep 19 00:30:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 19 Sep 2002 07:30:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 72417 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 07:30:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2002 07:30:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 07:30:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2002 07:30:10 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 07:30:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Emergencies - AM radio and life as we know it Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004601c25f7b$60fe7460$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2590 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.74.151 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > (with the possible exception of Michael Savage.) Political issues aside, I've noticed that at least on 770 WABC in New York City, the Michael Savage show has *the* worst audio that I've ever heard from a syndicated radio talk show. It sounds like they are running it through a RealAudio 1.0 encoder before broadcasting it. Whenever Michael talks, his voice gets filled with a very "harsh"-sounding "chattering" effect that is almost painful to listen to. I think it even sounded better when some studio equipment at 710 WOR broke and Joey Reynolds had to phone into his own talk show(!). That may have been through a low-bandwidth phone line, but at least it was *analog* so the sound was clear and intelligible. And speaking of which, these days I find it hard to listen to any radio talk show outside of the mid-day hours, because so many people are using the new digital PCS cell phones, which are the largest piece of garbage that the communications industry has ever foisted upon the American public. I can only listen during mid-day shows because that's when most people are at home or at work and thus are more likely to call from a REAL telephone. During the morning or afternoon drive times, everybody is calling from their mobile phones and thus we get subjected to the correspondingly unintelligible speech which breaks up all too often and sounds bad even when they have a good connection. After nine or ten cell phone calls in a row, somebody might call in from a real "landline" analog phone, and then it is amazing to hear a caller whose voice is actually clear, crisp (as much as a 3.5 kHz bandwidth allows it to be), and natural- sounding. Also, once in a while I hear a caller whose telephone sounds surprisingly "hi-fi", almost as if they were using a leased telco line to the station -- but I doubt I could call up the station and ask "can you put me in touch with that caller Phil from Woodbridge, so I can ask him what type of phone he's using?".... Trivia: Good ol' Leonard Kahn tried to sue AT&T over their "TrueVoice" system of the early 1990s (you may remember the commercials with Whitney Houston singing), because he claims he was the one who first came up with the idea of extending the frequency response of the telephone system back in the 1960s. Somewhere on the Internet you can find Kahn's original write-up, which proposed extending the response down to 100 Hz to provide a fuller, more natural sound for voice. Then, a few decades later, TrueVoice did exactly that -- a 14 dB boost from 100 to 300 Hz. From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Thu Sep 19 06:13:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 19 Sep 2002 13:13:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 83648 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 13:13:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2002 13:13:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 13:13:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2002 13:13:39 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:13:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: DRM DIGITAL RADIO INFO AND PIC! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1581 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 217.148.42.126 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Oh dear not looking too good then perhaps! I have forwarded your comments to Andy Sennit of Radio Netherlands, see what he says --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Kevin T." wrote: > > Looking good! > > http://www.rnw.nl/realradio/html/drm_software.html > > Their trained typewriting monkeys spewed forth the following: > > > > > "The DRM system also uses aacPlus by Coding Technologies as the > standard audio coding format. aacPlus is a combination of MPEG AAC > (Advanced Audio Coding) with Coding Technologies' groundbreaking SBR > (Spectral Band Replication) bandwidth extension algorithm." < < < > > SBR is just a way of saying that it has fake, "simulated" treble, > crudely based on a few bits of data per second to help it "guess" > what harmonics of the lower audio frequencies to "replicate" into the > treble region. > > AAC with SBR is the same exact audio encoding format that XM and > Sirius satellite both use. However, XM and Sirius use it at 64 kbps > in Stereo, while DRM will be using it at around 25 kbps in mono. > > I've listened to the few audio demo clips on the DRM web site, > including voice and classical music... and I'd still take a narrow- > bandwidth analog signal with background noise and propagation effects > over the very poor quality that DRM's digital audio offers. > > And even if DRM becomes widespread on Shortwave, I don't think it > will do anything to reduce the amount of jokers who transmit > whistling, sound effects, music, and lots of "Hola Hola HOOOLLLLAA!" > on top of WWV on 10.000 MHz! From n0uiheric@aol.com Thu Sep 19 12:19:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 19 Sep 2002 19:19:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 20064 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 19:19:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2002 19:19:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r06.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.102) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 19:19:12 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.15e.141f17d9 (4446) for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:19:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <15e.141f17d9.2abb7d2d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:19:09 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM is #1 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih I don't think KTRH and KGO were ever Stereo. Let's not forget ex-Stereo station KMOX in St. Louis; while they're still #1, they now hold less than 10% of the audience (a far cry from the 15-20% shares they had while they were Stereo!). 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From jsgil@hal-pc.org Thu Sep 19 14:56:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jsgil@hal-pc.org X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 19 Sep 2002 21:56:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 10107 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 21:56:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2002 21:56:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 21:56:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2002 21:56:17 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 21:56:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: AM is #1 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <15e.141f17d9.2abb7d2d@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 880 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jsgilst" X-Originating-IP: 206.180.130.70 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87956357 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst --- In amstereoforum@y..., n0uiheric@a... wrote: > I don't think KTRH and KGO were ever Stereo. Let's not forget ex-Stereo > station KMOX in St. Louis; while they're still #1, they now hold less than > 10% of the audience (a far cry from the 15-20% shares they had while they > were Stereo!). > 740 KTRH has never been Stereo but is a 50KW class B blowtorch both day and night with a local coverage that extends ~150mi inland from Victoria to Lake Charles. Its fringe area goes as far north as Waco Tyler and covers the entire Texas ans Louisiana gulf coast. ~75% of its coverage extends out over the gulf waters, seems like a waste of transmitter power though. This is according to a map on the Radio locator website. Since it is a news station and has good weather coverage I guess it serves maritime needs. I guess its big claim to fame for talk is Art Bell. JSG From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Sep 19 15:13:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 19 Sep 2002 22:13:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 65619 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 22:13:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2002 22:13:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 22:13:43 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.146]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.4.232) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 18:11:14 -0400 Message-ID: <007601c26029$a793c480$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: That exciter on ebay Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 18:12:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 To those that are bidding on that exciter on ebay, be careful. This is the third time around for this puppy.. second time this same person has sold this same unit. My opinion only is that perhaps the past deal fell through (or something) But I remember the first time it was put up, (3 auctions ago, about a year or so) it was auctioned off as questionable then, too.) Caveat emptor.. it's a "junk-le" out there.... CC (dodging thrown shoes) From ccuff@in4web.com Thu Sep 19 15:14:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 19 Sep 2002 22:14:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 77605 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 22:14:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2002 22:14:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 22:14:47 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.146]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.4.232) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 18:12:18 -0400 Message-ID: <007a01c26029$cdaeb620$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} were can I get a decoder for the memorex MOD Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 18:13:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I have the assembled mini board decoders ready to go any time, at $25.00 each postpaid. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: kmoreen To: Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 9:54 AM Subject: {AMSF} were can I get a decoder for the memorex MOD From jeffdeck@aol.com Thu Sep 19 15:30:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 19 Sep 2002 22:29:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 95254 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 22:29:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2002 22:29:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 22:29:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2002 22:29:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 22:29:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: KFRC-AM San Francisco Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 699 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jeffdeck2001" X-Originating-IP: 64.12.96.170 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4430287 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 In a message dated 9/18/2002 11:57:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Jim writes: >hi i cant beleave these guy my reply was" the hell with remebering >am stereo turn it back on. how come am stereo is drying here in >calif. but back east it is doing good." realy don nt get it. >thanks jim >----- Original Message ----- >From: KFRCPD@aol.com >To: jimsmith@vfr.net >Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 4:37 PM >Subject: Re: am stereo > > >Hey, I liked FM Quad. AM Stereo will be remembered fondly. > > >Brian Thomas >Operations Manager >Oldies 99.7 KFRC-FM/AM 610 >Infinity Broadcasting of San Francisco >Direct: 415-951-2324 >Fax: 415-403-8565 >Email: ThomasB@kfrc.cbs.com >kfrcpd@aol.com From KC4QLP@aol.com Thu Sep 19 17:35:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 20 Sep 2002 00:35:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 88669 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 00:35:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2002 00:35:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r03.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.99) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 00:35:45 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.19a.9047a8c (25305) for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 20:35:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19a.9047a8c.2abbc75c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 20:35:40 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} That exciter on ebay To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 110 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp <> Whats the URL so I can take a peek? 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From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Sep 19 17:41:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 20 Sep 2002 00:41:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 11590 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 00:41:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2002 00:41:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 00:41:36 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-113.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.113]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g8K0b4Pl017279 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 19:37:05 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002801c2603e$ae32d140$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Emergencies - AM radio and life as we know it Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 19:43:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Michael Savage does his show from San Francisco, but is sent to the TRN uplink site somewhere in Oregon via ISDN. They must be using some low bit rate encoding. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." > Political issues aside, I've noticed that at least on 770 WABC in New > York City, the Michael Savage show has *the* worst audio that I've > ever heard from a syndicated radio talk show. From KC4QLP@aol.com Thu Sep 19 17:58:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 20 Sep 2002 00:58:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 7377 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 00:58:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2002 00:58:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r10.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.106) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 00:58:06 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.11.) id r.18a.e648141 (25305) for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 20:58:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <18a.e648141.2abbcc9c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 20:58:04 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Emergencies - AM radio and life as we know it To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 110 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 9/19/02 8:42:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, stodd@sherbtel.net writes: << Michael Savage does his show from San Francisco, but is sent to the TRN uplink site somewhere in Oregon via ISDN. They must be using some low bit rate encoding. ST >> Micael Savage has always been plaged with a low bit rubble,squirle noise between words. Also noted this evening that WABC 770 NYC processing isnt all that bright and clear sounding. I can hear Savage on three stations here ...WABC 770..which sounds dull and lifeless,WNIS 790 Norfolk...which doesnt sound any better,..and my station WGAI 560 ...where he sounds the brightess ...not like someone trying to fight their way out of a card board box yelling with a dirty sock in their mouth. Also have noted the same grainy sound with Oliver North on Radio America ...must be a bandwidth verse money issue ...or just some not so clean ISDN lines across our country. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms." Your message (if actually mailed) is in violation of the Federal Telephone Consumer Protection Act of 1991, and Collateral Code of Federal Regulations (47 CFR 64.1200). The TCPA allows a private right of action against the sender of unsolicited advertising. The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- Osama bin Laden can kiss my royal white American behind! From stodd@sherbtel.net Thu Sep 19 18:15:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 20 Sep 2002 01:15:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 51765 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 01:15:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2002 01:15:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 01:15:39 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-159.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.159]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g8K1B7Pl023884; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 20:11:08 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <006101c26043$7005d160$d3a9fea9@me> To: Cc: "Scott Todd" References: <18a.e648141.2abbcc9c@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Emergencies - AM radio and life as we know it Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 20:17:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Interesting observation. Because we only use RA on a limited basis, I never really compared the two, but they're both on the same dual mono channel. I wonder if anyone at ABC Networks (the satellite provider, for those not in the know) has fielded complaints about this? Frankly, I think both networks are low-budget outfits and the satellite is fine, but I suppose it wouldn't hurt to email ABC first. Then if everything is OK, perhaps a few of us could call to see if we could arrange for ISDN feeds since the satellite feed is so bad. I wonder if either TRN or RA would get the hint? ----- Original Message ----- From: > Also have noted the same grainy sound with Oliver North on Radio America > ...must be a bandwidth verse money issue ...or just some not so clean ISDN > lines across our country. From matthew.trim@eds.com Thu Sep 19 18:22:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 20 Sep 2002 01:22:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 21375 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 01:22:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2002 01:22:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns5.eds.com) (203.17.185.230) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 01:22:50 -0000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com (nnsy-3.eds.com [192.168.1.1]) by ns5.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g8K1MmZ10105 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 11:22:48 +1000 (EST) Received: from nnsy.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8K1Mlx03329 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 11:22:47 +1000 (EST) Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8K1MiC03302 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 11:22:45 +1000 (EST) Received: by AUSYM000 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 11:22:18 +1000 Message-ID: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542809CAF2F1@AUSYM200> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: Possible good radio to convert? Radio Shack Cat.# 12-832 Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 11:22:23 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=&p roduct%5Fid=12%2D832 Found this radio at Radio shack online and also at our Tandy store in Australia Will try and check out the AM quality today in store. Has a quality look about it but I guess that doesn't mean the AM reception is any good! The Radio shack catalog number is 12-832 if the link above doesn't work. From KC4QLP@aol.com Thu Sep 19 18:44:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 20 Sep 2002 01:44:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 46615 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 01:44:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2002 01:44:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d08.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 01:44:04 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.59.21aa4eab (25305) for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 21:44:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <59.21aa4eab.2abbd762@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 21:44:02 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Emergencies - AM radio and life as we know it To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 110 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 9/19/02 9:17:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, stodd@sherbtel.net writes: << Interesting observation. Because we only use RA on a limited basis, I never really compared the two, but they're both on the same dual mono channel. I wonder if anyone at ABC Networks (the satellite provider, for those not in the know) has fielded complaints about this? Frankly, I think both networks are low-budget outfits and the satellite is fine, but I suppose it wouldn't hurt to email ABC first. Then if everything is OK, perhaps a few of us could call to see if we could arrange for ISDN feeds since the satellite feed is so bad. I wonder if either TRN or RA would get the hint? >> I think its just the networks TRN & RA} and the ISDN lines and not the satellite service provider...because feeds from Talk America and Talk Network {new guys on the block} just to name a few, sound pretty clean. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms." Your message (if actually mailed) is in violation of the Federal Telephone Consumer Protection Act of 1991, and Collateral Code of Federal Regulations (47 CFR 64.1200). The TCPA allows a private right of action against the sender of unsolicited advertising. The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- Osama bin Laden can kiss my royal white American behind! From rwagoner@cox.net Thu Sep 19 19:36:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 20 Sep 2002 02:36:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 88941 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 02:36:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2002 02:36:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 02:36:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2002 02:36:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 02:36:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Radio Story Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 4512 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Richard Wagoner" X-Originating-IP: 68.4.33.253 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner I should probably introduce myself. I write a radio column that appears weekly in the South Bay Daily Breeze (Torrance, CA). Since the column began in 1987, I have tried to push AM stereo and AM in general; unfortunately the programmers in Los Angeles have no clue as to what people want, so AM has fallen quite a bit. Anyway, here is this week's column. Comments are certainly welcome, and I will print any good responses in future columns if desired. By the way, I was surprised to see that K-SURF (540 AM) is broadcasting the stereo beacon (couldn't tell if it was actually stereo programming). That's along with KDIS (710 AM), KBRT (740 AM) and KNX (1070 AM). Radio AM to FM: September 20, 2002 AM Stereo fans want, well, AM Stereo While Ibiquity is performing tests to determine exactly what kind of interference their digital broadcasting system would cause to the AM band at night as well as what might be done about it, a small group of AM enthusiasts wants to scrap the whole plan for an idea that has already been declared a failure by most observers. Numerous posts on the Yahoo Groups AM Stereo Forum have been quick to point out flaws in the AM version of Ibiquity's HD Radio, formerly known as IBOC for In-Band, On-Channel digital, a broadcasting system that places a digital signal inside the analog signal. Regular radios pick up the signal as usual, while HD radios would decode the digital portion and give listeners a near-CD quality listening experience. At least that's the theory. So far the system has been endorsed only for daytime broadcasts and some on the AM Stereo Forum have expressed doubts that even daytime digital broadcasts would work. Interference is the key, it seems. The digital portion of the signal appears to cause problems with adjacent channels, making stations near on the dial to an HD AM station difficult to receive. Personally, I'm not too concerned. I think that the HD AM system can be refined enough to make it work, both day and night. But it is interesting to reflect upon the ideas in the forum. AM broadcasting only sounds bad because of the quality of receivers manufactured since the early 1970s ... very few of them have an AM tuner even close to what was available in the 1950s and 1960s. Most of the few good ones of recent years have been discontinued. Yet until broadcasters voluntarily restricted their bandwidth to an upper frequency of 10 KHz to help reduce interference in the band, AM was actually capable of higher fidelity than FM: While the FM standard calls for a high frequency cutoff of 15 KHz, the old AM standard allowed for 20 KHz. The only problem was interference, both man-made and from nature: FM is almost immune to most types of static, but AM seems to thrive on it. In response, AM broadcasters voluntarily restricted their high frequencies to 10 KHz starting in the late 1980s. In the past, receiver manufacturers such as Fisher (when it was a US company) spent much time developing AM tuners that sounded fabulous: full and smooth. Nowadays, in order to reduce interference at the lowest possible cost, manufacturers generally design an AM tuner for minimum fidelity, often reaching only telephone quality ... if they even reach that. What the members of the AM Stereo Forum want is a return to quality receiver design combined with a new push for AM stereo, the broadcast standard that wilted on the vine due to an FCC that thought more of the marketplace than of standards: instead of selecting one out of five submitted stereo broadcast systems, the FCC allowed the marketplace to decide. The marketplace decided it couldn't decide, and by the time the FCC changed its mind and selected a system from Motorola as the standard, it was too late. Eventually music left AM almost entirely and the push for AM Stereo was gone. With good receiver design and a renewed push for stereo, AM could compete quite well with FM, goes the argument ... better than HD AM. As I said, I'm not convinced, at least not totally. I've heard recordings of digital AM and they sound great, but I have not heard the interference side effects. One thing is for sure: AM needs help, one way or another. Decent programming would be a start ... Dave Does News Dave Williams, formerly of the KABC (790 AM) Dave and Amy morning show, has been hired full time as a staff anchor at KFWB (980 AM). He replaces Ron Kilgore, who left to join the Wall Street Journal Radio Network. /// Copyright =A9 2002 Richard Wagoner and The Copley Press. From matthew.trim@eds.com Thu Sep 19 21:07:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matthew.trim@eds.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 20 Sep 2002 04:07:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 75116 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 04:07:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2002 04:07:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns5.eds.com) (203.17.185.230) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 04:07:20 -0000 Received: from nnsy.eds.com (nnsy-3.eds.com [192.168.1.1]) by ns5.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g8K47IZ22062 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:07:18 +1000 (EST) Received: from nnsy.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8K47Gx00375 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:07:16 +1000 (EST) Received: from ausym000.exau01.exch.eds.com ([134.251.177.117]) by nnsy.eds.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8K47FC00368 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:07:15 +1000 (EST) Received: by AUSYM000 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:06:52 +1000 Message-ID: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542809CAF2F3@AUSYM200> To: "'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Possible good radio to convert? Radio Shack Cat.# 12- 832 Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:06:55 +1000 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain From: "Trim, Matthew L" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88615102 X-Yahoo-Profile: bofh2k2000 G'day Everyone, Just went and checked this unit out again and my thoughts are: Solid Construction - nice on/off button instead of it being built into the volume knob Great AM reception - little interference and strong signal inside shopping centre (very unusual) AM Bandwidth is a little limited but if I tune it slightly off the station the high end is remarkably improved. I wasn't able to fully test this as our only real full bandwidth AM station at the moment (612 4QR) wasn't playing any music at the time. Good FM Stereo reception Light - runs on 4 x C batteries which should last a long time - also DC power input jack and stereo headphone jack. Funny thing is that it is "Made in China" for Radio Shack and retails for $45AUD at http://www.tandy.com.au and $32US at http://www.radioshack.com . Considering how poor our Aussie dollar is vs USD it should really be selling for about $25US over there (it is made in China after all!) I'm tempted to buy one and open it up to see if we can modify it for AMS and tweak the bandwidth. One positive? sign is that when I flick the AM/FM switch it makes pop noise like it's switching over to a separate AM front end vs one of the digital radios that seem to be using all-in-one AM/FM decoder chips these days. Chris, maybe you can shed more info on this radio? Cheers, Matt -----Original Message----- From: Trim, Matthew L Sent: Friday, 20 September 2002 11:22 AM To: 'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com' Subject: {AMSF} Possible good radio to convert? Radio Shack Cat.# 12-832 http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=&p roduct%5Fid=12%2D832 Found this radio at Radio shack online and also at our Tandy store in Australia Will try and check out the AM quality today in store. Has a quality look about it but I guess that doesn't mean the AM reception is any good! The Radio shack catalog number is 12-832 if the link above doesn't work. From dav259@csiro.au Thu Sep 19 21:24:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 20 Sep 2002 04:24:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 86384 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 04:24:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2002 04:24:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 04:24:40 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8K4N4c26157; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:23:05 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:23:04 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Cc: amstereoforum Subject: "AM Stereo fans want, well, AM Stereo" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public Attention: Richard Wagoner - RAVE! Liked your article on AM stereo (9/20/2002). AM stereo wasn't introduced in Australia until 1985 - only five years after commercial and mainstream FM arrived. It never really has had a chance thanks to the FCC's original stuff up in not mandating the best system. Motorola C-quam was mandated here from day 1 and it sounds great. In Melbourne only the government owned stations have switched it off. We currently have the five commercial AM stations broadcasting in AM stereo. Yet most people still assert that it simply doesn't exist. And that's because good quality radios were hardly ever available. Most of my radios have been purchased from the US. The vast majority Downunder have no idea what they're missing. Your FCC and our ABA should mandate that any radio with FM stereo must also be AM stereo (AMAX) compliant. Ian Davidson Melbourne, Australia ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ian Davidson _--_|\ home: 61 3 9534 8786 41 Smith Street / \ work: 61 3 9545 8717 St. Kilda Beach Vic 3182 \_.--.*/ mobile: 61 0421 500 720 Australia v ian.davidson@csiro.au ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From KC4QLP@aol.com Thu Sep 19 21:47:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 20 Sep 2002 04:47:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 16093 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 04:47:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2002 04:47:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 04:47:38 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.1aa.8c1917a (25305) for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 00:47:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1aa.8c1917a.2abc025e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 00:47:26 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Story To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 110 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 9/19/02 10:38:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rwagoner@cox.net writes: << I should probably introduce myself. I write a radio column that appears weekly in the South Bay Daily Breeze (Torrance, CA). Since the column began in 1987, I have tried to push AM stereo and AM in general; unfortunately the programmers in Los Angeles have no clue as to what people want, so AM has fallen quite a bit. >> Welcome Richard ! Wonderful write up! now only if you could get that in newspapers nationwide. 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From amfmdx@fastq.com Thu Sep 19 23:34:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 20 Sep 2002 06:34:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 65988 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 06:34:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2002 06:34:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 06:34:12 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d215-osel-phx.fastq.com [207.173.146.76]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g8K6YBh67043 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 23:34:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <059a01c2606e$a6c20f40$67f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM is #1 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 23:26:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > 740 KTRH has never been Stereo but is a 50KW class B blowtorch both > day and night with a local coverage that extends ~150mi inland from > Victoria to Lake Charles. Its fringe area goes as far north as Waco > Tyler and covers the entire Texas ans Louisiana gulf coast. Dude, if you are in Panama, Aruba, Venezuela, Columbia, Guatemala, Belize or for that matter anywhere in Central America, KTRH is a MONSTER as is WWL. Both cover the area with a MASSIVE signal. While in the Navy, when I wanted US news at night, KTRH and WWL was ALWAYS there. Kevin From rwagoner@cox.net Thu Sep 19 23:41:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 20 Sep 2002 06:41:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 96254 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 06:41:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2002 06:41:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 06:41:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2002 06:41:00 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 06:40:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: "AM Stereo fans want, well, AM Stereo" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 347 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Richard Wagoner" X-Originating-IP: 68.4.33.253 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner --- In amstereoforum@y..., Ian Davidson wrote: > Your FCC and our ABA should mandate that any radio with FM stereo must > also be AM stereo (AMAX) compliant. > > > I agree with that. And it should be actual AMAX compliant, so people actually hear how good it can sound. Stereo narrowband sounds about as bad as mono narrowband. From rwagoner@cox.net Thu Sep 19 23:44:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 20 Sep 2002 06:44:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 54196 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 06:44:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2002 06:44:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 06:44:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2002 06:44:57 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 06:44:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: KFRC-AM San Francisco Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 589 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Richard Wagoner" X-Originating-IP: 68.4.33.253 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner --- In amstereoforum@y..., "jeffdeck2001" wrote: > > In a message dated 9/18/2002 11:57:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Jim > writes: > >hi i cant beleave these guy my reply was" the hell with remebering > >am stereo turn it back on. how come am stereo is drying here in > >calif. but back east it is doing good." realy don nt get it. > >thanks jim > KFRC doesn't even mention the 610 frequency any more. They don't give a damn about AM. Too bad, since KFRC was one of the last real AM top-40 stations (before Walter Sabo destroyed it in 1985 with The Game Zone). From rwagoner@cox.net Thu Sep 19 23:48:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 20 Sep 2002 06:48:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 85161 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 06:48:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2002 06:48:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 06:48:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2002 06:48:32 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 06:48:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Story Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1aa.8c1917a.2abc025e@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 126 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Richard Wagoner" X-Originating-IP: 68.4.33.253 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner > Welcome Richard ! Wonderful write up! now only if you could get that in > newspapers nationwide. Thanks for the welcome. From rwagoner@cox.net Thu Sep 19 23:56:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 20 Sep 2002 06:56:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 46439 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 06:56:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2002 06:56:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 06:56:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2002 06:56:40 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 06:56:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Story Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 303 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Richard Wagoner" X-Originating-IP: 68.4.33.253 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner I love replying to myself. Makes me feel important ... I don't have the entire run on the web, but I do have the last four years or so available on the web, with numerous references to AM stereo, AM IBOC and AM improvement. If you are interested, go to http://members.cox.net/rwagoner and do a search. From ccuff@in4web.com Fri Sep 20 00:44:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 20 Sep 2002 07:44:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 94317 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 07:44:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2002 07:44:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 07:44:09 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.34]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.4.232) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 03:41:42 -0400 Message-ID: <007601c26079$58633080$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: Subject: Motorola C-QUAM AM Exciter-Transmitter Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 03:43:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 Here is the link. CC > Title of item: Motorola C-QUAM AM Exciter-Transmitter > Seller: joeknapp > Starts: Sep-15-02 17:13:53 PDT > Ends: Sep-22-02 17:13:53 PDT > Price: Currently $52.26 > To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1768100353 From dav259@csiro.au Fri Sep 20 03:06:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@csiro.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 20 Sep 2002 10:06:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 38445 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 10:06:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2002 10:06:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mineng.minerals.csiro.au) (138.194.10.10) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 10:06:12 -0000 Received: from mineng.minerals.csiro.au (mineng.minerals.csiro.au [138.194.10.10]) by mineng.minerals.csiro.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8KA6Ac14313 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 20:06:10 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 20:06:10 +1000 (EST) X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: "AM Stereo fans want, well, AM Stereo" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: public On Fri, 20 Sep 2002, Richard Wagoner wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@y..., Ian Davidson wrote: > > > Your FCC and our ABA should mandate that any radio with FM stereo must > > also be AM stereo (AMAX) compliant. > > I agree with that. And it should be actual AMAX compliant, so people > actually hear how good it can sound. Stereo narrowband sounds about as > bad as mono narrowband. Richard - it's so good to have you on board!! *Please* keep raising this in your column. I've bookmarked the South Bay Daily Breeze and will keep watching. I've looked up Torrance, CA on the US road atlas and you should have a fair bit of influence in LA. We need to drum up any publicity anywhere - but you're really in a great market to do it. I wish more people would come up with ideas. You of course have to write for the benefit of your readers. But ... Keep fighting the good fight Richard for AM radio ... 1. Programming 2. C-quam AM stereo That would be bonza!! Ian Melbourne From meridian3891@cs.com Fri Sep 20 08:08:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: meridian3891@cs.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 20 Sep 2002 15:08:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 75573 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 15:08:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2002 15:08:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 15:08:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2002 15:08:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:08:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: "AM Stereo fans want, well, AM Stereo" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 428 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tony" X-Originating-IP: 205.166.36.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=48487815 X-Yahoo-Profile: onemeridian --- In amstereoforum@y..., Ian Davidson wrote: > > Attention: Richard Wagoner - RAVE! ]. > > Your FCC and our ABA should mandate that any radio with FM stereo must > also be AM stereo (AMAX) compliant. I believe the NAB (National Association of Broadcasters) was pushing HEAVILY for this in the early 1990s. They wanted it that way, but it apparently faded into the dull roar of lousy audio. ;-( Tony From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Sep 20 10:10:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 20 Sep 2002 17:10:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 5388 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 17:10:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2002 17:10:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14201.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.143) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 17:10:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20020920171035.37509.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.45.202.244] by web14201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:10:35 PDT Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:10:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Welcome Mr. Wagoner To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: John Pavlica X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio A warm stereo welcome to Richard Wagoner. Well-worded easy to understand article. Can you post it on AP or the like? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Sep 20 15:19:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 20 Sep 2002 22:19:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 34595 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 22:19:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2002 22:19:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 22:19:50 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-136.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.136]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g8KMFGQX015571 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:15:17 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <005101c260f4$0be46780$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <533761B50551D511A6D200508B6F542809CAF2F3@AUSYM200> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Possible good radio to convert? Radio Shack Cat.# 12-832 Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:21:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Whether a radio is good to convert can often be determined by listening to the local oscillator signal. If it is modulated in any way, then it's not a good coversion candidate. If it sounds like a dead carrier, then it is. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trim, Matthew L" To: Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 11:06 PM Subject: RE: {AMSF} Possible good radio to convert? Radio Shack Cat.# 12-832 > G'day Everyone, > > Just went and checked this unit out again and my thoughts are: > > Solid Construction - nice on/off button instead of it being built into the > volume knob > Great AM reception - little interference and strong signal inside shopping > centre (very unusual) > AM Bandwidth is a little limited but if I tune it slightly off the station > the high end is remarkably improved. I wasn't able to fully test this as > our only real full bandwidth AM station at the moment (612 4QR) wasn't > playing any music at the time. > Good FM Stereo reception > Light - runs on 4 x C batteries which should last a long time - also DC > power input jack and stereo headphone jack. > Funny thing is that it is "Made in China" for Radio Shack and retails for > $45AUD at http://www.tandy.com.au and $32US at http://www.radioshack.com . > Considering how poor our Aussie dollar is vs USD it should really be selling > for about $25US over there (it is made in China after all!) > > I'm tempted to buy one and open it up to see if we can modify it for AMS and > tweak the bandwidth. One positive? sign is that when I flick the AM/FM > switch it makes pop noise like it's switching over to a separate AM front > end vs one of the digital radios that seem to be using all-in-one AM/FM > decoder chips these days. > > Chris, maybe you can shed more info on this radio? > > Cheers, > > Matt > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Trim, Matthew L > Sent: Friday, 20 September 2002 11:22 AM > To: 'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com' > Subject: {AMSF} Possible good radio to convert? Radio Shack Cat.# 12-832 > > > > http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=&p > roduct%5Fid=12%2D832 > > Found this radio at Radio shack online and also at our Tandy store in > Australia > > Will try and check out the AM quality today in store. > > Has a quality look about it but I guess that doesn't mean the AM reception > is any good! > > The Radio shack catalog number is 12-832 if the link above doesn't work. > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From stodd@sherbtel.net Fri Sep 20 15:23:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 20 Sep 2002 22:23:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 37994 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 22:23:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2002 22:23:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 22:23:55 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-88-136.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.88.136]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g8KMJIQX016451 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:19:19 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <005701c260f4$9be10fa0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Story Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:25:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude We meet up again, Richard. I talked to you shrotly after the Radio World article came out about the petition for mandatory AM receiver standards, drafted by Larry Langford and myself. Part of the problem is that AM broadcasters didn't put up a big fuss in favor of it like the UHF TV broadcasters did, so it hasn't seen much movement. Good to have you join the list! Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Wagoner" To: Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 9:36 PM Subject: {AMSF} Radio Story > I should probably introduce myself. I write a radio column that > appears weekly in the South Bay Daily Breeze (Torrance, CA). Since the > column began in 1987, I have tried to push AM stereo and AM in > general; unfortunately the programmers in Los Angeles have no clue as > to what people want, so AM has fallen quite a bit. > > Anyway, here is this week's column. Comments are certainly welcome, > and I will print any good responses in future columns if desired. > > By the way, I was surprised to see that K-SURF (540 AM) is > broadcasting the stereo beacon (couldn't tell if it was actually > stereo programming). That's along with KDIS (710 AM), KBRT (740 AM) > and KNX (1070 AM). > > Radio AM to FM: September 20, 2002 > > AM Stereo fans want, well, AM Stereo > > While Ibiquity is performing tests to determine exactly what kind of > interference their digital broadcasting system would cause to the AM > band at night as well as what might be done about it, a small group of > AM enthusiasts wants to scrap the whole plan for an idea that has > already been declared a failure by most observers. > > Numerous posts on the Yahoo Groups AM Stereo Forum have been quick to > point out flaws in the AM version of Ibiquity's HD Radio, formerly > known as IBOC for In-Band, On-Channel digital, a broadcasting system > that places a digital signal inside the analog signal. Regular radios > pick up the signal as usual, while HD radios would decode the digital > portion and give listeners a near-CD quality listening experience. > > At least that's the theory. So far the system has been endorsed only > for daytime broadcasts and some on the AM Stereo Forum have expressed > doubts that even daytime digital broadcasts would work. Interference > is the key, it seems. The digital portion of the signal appears to > cause problems with adjacent channels, making stations near on the > dial to an HD AM station difficult to receive. > > Personally, I'm not too concerned. I think that the HD AM system can > be refined enough to make it work, both day and night. But it is > interesting to reflect upon the ideas in the forum. > > AM broadcasting only sounds bad because of the quality of receivers > manufactured since the early 1970s ... very few of them have an AM > tuner even close to what was available in the 1950s and 1960s. Most of > the few good ones of recent years have been discontinued. Yet until > broadcasters voluntarily restricted their bandwidth to an upper > frequency of 10 KHz to help reduce interference in the band, AM was > actually capable of higher fidelity than FM: While the FM standard > calls for a high frequency cutoff of 15 KHz, the old AM standard > allowed for 20 KHz. The only problem was interference, both man-made > and from nature: FM is almost immune to most types of static, but AM > seems to thrive on it. In response, AM broadcasters voluntarily > restricted their high frequencies to 10 KHz starting in the late 1980s. > > In the past, receiver manufacturers such as Fisher (when it was a US > company) spent much time developing AM tuners that sounded fabulous: > full and smooth. Nowadays, in order to reduce interference at the > lowest possible cost, manufacturers generally design an AM tuner for > minimum fidelity, often reaching only telephone quality ... if they > even reach that. > > What the members of the AM Stereo Forum want is a return to quality > receiver design combined with a new push for AM stereo, the broadcast > standard that wilted on the vine due to an FCC that thought more of > the marketplace than of standards: instead of selecting one out of > five submitted stereo broadcast systems, the FCC allowed the > marketplace to decide. The marketplace decided it couldn't decide, and > by the time the FCC changed its mind and selected a system from > Motorola as the standard, it was too late. Eventually music left AM > almost entirely and the push for AM Stereo was gone. > > With good receiver design and a renewed push for stereo, AM could > compete quite well with FM, goes the argument ... better than HD AM. > > As I said, I'm not convinced, at least not totally. I've heard > recordings of digital AM and they sound great, but I have not heard > the interference side effects. One thing is for sure: AM needs help, > one way or another. Decent programming would be a start ... > > Dave Does News > > Dave Williams, formerly of the KABC (790 AM) Dave and Amy morning > show, has been hired full time as a staff anchor at KFWB (980 AM). He > replaces Ron Kilgore, who left to join the Wall Street Journal Radio > Network. > > /// > > Copyright © 2002 Richard Wagoner and The Copley Press. > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Fri Sep 20 20:24:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 21 Sep 2002 03:24:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 86513 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 03:24:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2002 03:24:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 03:24:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2002 03:24:03 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 03:24:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Harris IBOC Roadshow NYC Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 595 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 141.157.198.248 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio Nice to meet Mr. Newman today! The Harris/Ibiquity guys do put out some good spin and some nice graphics. All I can say is that I really haven't changed my mind about IBOC. There were a few points I did like about the digital data streams, but all in all I don't think it's a positive. What was amazing was how inefficent the FM systems were! I could heat a large room with the wasted power in one of the configurations. The rest of the show was Harris stating their prowess with digital radio and their new DAX line of MW trasmitters (1-6kw) The FOOD kicked ass! =Mike Erickson= From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Fri Sep 20 22:26:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 68503 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 05:26:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2002 05:26:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 05:26:33 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2002 05:26:33 -0000 Date: 21 Sep 2002 05:26:33 -0000 Message-ID: <1032585993.124796.35799.w46@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /SRF-A100 PopSci Nov84.BMP Uploaded by : toledohamradio Description : SRF-A100 Information from Popular Science magazine (page 96) November 1984 You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/SRF-A100%20PopSci%20Nov84.BMP To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, toledohamradio From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Sep 20 23:24:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 21 Sep 2002 06:24:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 48979 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 06:24:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2002 06:24:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 06:24:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2002 06:24:41 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 06:24:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1032585993.124796.35799.w46@yahoogroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 409 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.80.15 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > File : /SRF-A100 PopSci Nov84.BMP > Uploaded by : toledohamradio > Description : SRF-A100 Information from Popular Science magazine > (page 96) November 1984 Note that I converted this picture file into a much smaller GIF format, with no noticeable loss of quality. It is now available as the file "ps!a100.gif" in the Files section (towards the end of the list). From rwagoner@cox.net Fri Sep 20 23:52:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 21 Sep 2002 06:52:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 89862 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 06:52:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2002 06:52:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 06:52:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2002 06:52:46 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 06:52:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Welcome Mr. Wagoner Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020920171035.37509.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 434 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Richard Wagoner" X-Originating-IP: 68.4.33.253 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner --- In amstereoforum@y..., John Pavlica wrote: > A warm stereo welcome to Richard Wagoner. Well-worded easy to understand > article. Can you post it on AP or the like? > > > __________________________________________________ > To be honest, I don't know how AP picks up stories. I write for the newspaper freelance, so they generally don't push it themselves ... they like it because I'm cheap, I think ... From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sat Sep 21 03:05:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 21 Sep 2002 10:05:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 18460 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 10:05:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2002 10:05:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.223) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 10:05:00 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 03:05:00 -0700 Received: from 209.240.198.61 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 10:04:59 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@bellsouth.net Bcc: Subject: dxing (Thanks Hurricane Isadore) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 10:04:59 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Sep 2002 10:05:00.0472 (UTC) FILETIME=[58CD3380:01C26156] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.198.61] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 With Hurricane Isadore having struck the western third of Cuba, many of the Cuban stations are off the air or on reduced power, which means it's a good time to dx. I am listening to WCBS right now and getting great reception with the r.s. loop and I'm getting a pilot light; I'm assuming it's a false pilot. (please tell me I'm wrong and WCBS-880 is now in stereo, please!). The Radio Havana seems to be off the air, the one at 890 is on reduced power and I can pick up WLS- 890 and did get a flickering pilot. The 640-Radio Cuba, which I receive very well day and night seems to be on reduced power, but I'm still not able to pick WGST (Atlanta,GA) or WVLG.(The Villages, FL) Will now sign off (to lessen the interference and see if I can pick up 720 WGN. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sat Sep 21 03:32:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 21 Sep 2002 10:32:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 48982 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 10:32:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2002 10:32:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 10:32:45 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 03:32:45 -0700 Received: from 209.240.198.61 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 10:32:44 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@bellsouth.net Bcc: Subject: 720 -WGN? Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 10:32:44 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Sep 2002 10:32:45.0392 (UTC) FILETIME=[392BD500:01C2615A] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.198.61] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 btw- before I forget..... WELCOME AND HELLO RICHARD WAGGONER, your articles are very well written, hope to see a lot more. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unless WGN - 720, would have been programming soft music from the 1990's (i/e Enya) at around 5:10am their time, I was not picking them up. I was getting a pilot though. I can't believe how well I'm still receiving WCBS - 880 with sunrise here in St Petersburg less 45 minutes away. Just proves to me how powerful the Radio Havana at 880 must be to totally wipe them out. donn st petersburg,fl _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From jeffdeck@aol.com Sat Sep 21 04:14:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 21 Sep 2002 11:14:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 49269 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 11:14:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2002 11:14:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r06.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.102) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 11:14:57 -0000 Received: from Jeffdeck@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id k.86.208f9340 (4230); Sat, 21 Sep 2002 07:14:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <86.208f9340.2abdaea5@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 07:14:45 EDT Subject: Re: dxing (Thanks Hurricane Isadore) To: amstereo@bellsouth.net Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10578 From: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4430287 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David, WCBS never was received in AM stereo (though they may have indeed experimented with one of the four stereo systems years ago). WFAN is now monaural, and their signal strength dropped in central Ohio after the diplexer with WCBS was modified or retuned. I receive WOKV when they forget to drop to night pattern, or when there is a Florida coastal emergency (usually a hurricane). WGN is indeed transmitting C-QuAM stereo, and was received in central Ohio this morning. They are a class act. WSB is a very strong monaural station here in central Ohio at night. WJR is a very strong stereo station here in central Ohio. I also received WJR very easily in Daytona Beach, Florida with my DX-398 shortwave radio. I received WYDE in C-QuAM stereo in central Ohio when they forgot about their night pattern one night. WYDE simulcasts an FM talk station. I recorded WPHT's stereo sound clip, and receive this station many mornings in central Ohio. WSAI is monaural, and was verified during my Cincinnati trip this year. This morning I received a Spanish speaking station on 1630kHz over the Georgia sports station. KCJJ was not audible in the mix. I am enjoying my Chrysler AM stereo/FM stereo/cassette with the five band equalizer for $34 on eBay. It tunes the extended AM band and is very nice. 73, Jeff In a message dated 9/21/2002 6:54:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, David writes: >Donn, > >Unfortunately, WCBS 880 is not in AM Stereo and I don't ever remember them >being in AM Stereo. Somebody please correct me if I am wrong. > >About the only time you should get WGST 640 from Atlanta is around sunrise >and sunset before they reduce their power. Their signal isn't even that >good here at night. > >One amazing thing is that when 680 in Atlanta cuts their power at night I >get 680 from Raleigh. > >A couple of other good frequencies for you to try would be: > >650 - WSM - Nashville >660 - WFAN - New York (AM Stereo) >690 - WOKV - Jacksonville, FL >690 - WJOX - Birmingham >700 - WLW - Cincinnati >710 - WOR - New York >720 - WGN - Chicago (AM Stereo) >750 - WSB - Atlanta >760 - WJR - Detroit (AM Stereo) >780 - WBBM - Chicago >840 - WHAS - Louisville >850 - WYDE - Birmingham - around sunset and sunrise (AM Stereo) >870 - WWL - New Orleans >1120 - KMOX - St. Louis >1210 - WPHT - Philadelphia (AM Stereo) >1510 - WLAC - Nashville >1530 - WSAI(?) - Cincinnati > >1620-1700 sounds like the graveyard frequencies now and I can't remember >when the last time was that I was able to listen to KCJJ 1630 AM Stereo in >Iowa :( > >Dave In GA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sat Sep 21 04:44:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 21 Sep 2002 11:44:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 34192 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 11:44:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2002 11:44:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.37.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 11:44:44 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 04:44:44 -0700 Received: from 209.240.198.61 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:44:43 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@bellsouth.net Bcc: Subject: WCBS -am 880 mono Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:44:43 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Sep 2002 11:44:44.0445 (UTC) FILETIME=[478704D0:01C26164] From: "Donn Tillman" X-Originating-IP: [209.240.198.61] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824 Thanks Jeff D and Dave M for confirming that WCBS is still mono. I don't know what was triggering the pilot, but on the Panasonic (Japanese model - bought from Chris)) I was listening to, the pilot did trigger the wide band and they sounded great; hope that Radio Havana is still off the air on 880 tonight. Just noticed that 640 am from Havana is back to full power and coming in like a local like usual. Hope that doesn't mean that the others will resume full power too soon. donn tillman 300 miles due north of Havana _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From groucho@skyweb.net Sat Sep 21 07:57:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 21 Sep 2002 14:57:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 35353 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 14:57:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2002 14:57:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 14:57:48 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8LEvcvw012414 for ; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 10:57:39 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3D8C8814.8FE18C6C@skyweb.net> Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 10:54:12 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Harris IBOC Roadshow NYC References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 In response: this is a little Long. I could not help myself. I got to Meet Mr Erickson ,and Russell,and a few other friends I have not seen in a few months. a few new friends through the day. I felt it was all smoke and Mirrors. great Idea for FM not AM. as Mike said the transmitters were very inefficient for my liking.( the Power companies will Love IBOC). The Demo they used was Direct from a Computer to the mock receiver to show what IBOC will be like. Personally I would have liked to have seen an actual IBOC exciter with a small antenna broadcast across the room to the receiver to show that it actually works. Anything can be simulated by computer basically what they were trying to do is Damage control. They want this passed so they can recoup all the moneys they Put into this dead horse. They seemed proud of this. they even had one of their own post questions to get answers that they wanted us to hear. I thought that was very Funny. love that game lets ask ourselves one of our own Questions and answer it. its a loaded deck. When any of us asked about adjacent channel noise,and what it would do to the AM Band. we didn't get the answer we wanted But got answers we expected. lets move onto the next question. at one point the girl walking with the wireless mike would not Let Mike Erickson hold the mike while he asked questions. afraid he would not give it back. I grabbed it when I could.LOL.. They played a demo of normal programing and comparisons with IBOC. The FM I thought was ok. The AM was terrible. I could Not believe they played the IBOC AM. and were proud of it. I almost fell out of my chair. If that was my company giving a demo like that I would have packed up my demo and gone back to the Studio and created a great sounding demo even if that's not what the product does sound like just to make the sale. Sorry Harris, better go back to the drawing boards . Compared to the Standard AM they Played the AM IBOC had More highs and the Artifacts were in your face. sounded like a bad MP3.As an Audio Engineer beside broadcast Engineer. I almost gagged. If this is what AM IBOC sounds Like they can keep it. My AM Stereo Blows it away. Oh yes I did ask. NO you cannot run Both AM Stereo and IBOC at the same time because they Both use the Quam method. I think many in management that were there thought IBOC was Ok. I don't think ANY of the Engineers that were there were impressed by It. or its Cost thats another story. I will say this..... The Choc Chip Cookies were great( do you agree Mike I went for seconds and there were non left) the FOOD did Kick as.I went back for 3rds LOL most of my friends know Never feed Newman. he can Eat like there's no tomorrow. that's very true LOL. got another tee shirt to add to the collection and a hat.,and a few Harris pens and some scratch pads I could use for my desk... Never turn down something that's free. they can keep their HD Radio(IBOC) Oh Yeah one last Item I probably will Never get a job with this company but the guy from Greater Media who was part of the NRSC? who overlooked the IBOC testing.. Shame on Him for even backing it up.. what Gall. he even defended them when asked about adjacent interference. However he did admit that in the early development of IBOC 2 years ago it did create problems. but would Not admit that it still does. Gee what did I leave out???. Russell any Comments? Neal Newman CE-WTTM AM Stereo and Damm Proud of it. wgliradio wrote: > Nice to meet Mr. Newman today! > > The Harris/Ibiquity guys do put out some good spin and some nice > graphics. > > All I can say is that I really haven't changed my mind about IBOC. > There were a few points I did like about the digital data streams, > but all in all I don't think it's a positive. > > What was amazing was how inefficent the FM systems were! I could > heat a large room with the wasted power in one of the configurations. > > The rest of the show was Harris stating their prowess with digital > radio and their new DAX line of MW trasmitters (1-6kw) > > The FOOD kicked ass! > > =Mike Erickson= > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From jeffdeck@aol.com Sat Sep 21 09:03:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Jeffdeck@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 21 Sep 2002 16:03:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 90095 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 16:03:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2002 16:03:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.33) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 16:03:43 -0000 Received: from Jeffdeck@aol.com by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id k.4c.11ee4d88 (26116); Sat, 21 Sep 2002 12:03:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4c.11ee4d88.2abdf257@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 12:03:35 EDT Subject: Re: dxing (Thanks Hurricane Isadore) To: amstereo@bellsouth.net Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10578 From: jeffdeck@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4430287 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David, It is very sad that the engineers decided to drop C-QuAM on WFAN. They previously aired commercials and bumpers in full stereo sound. I never heard stereo separation on WGN, except one morning when I was in Chicago in 1998, and they were playing music. This was a very rare listening experience. WLS and WJR, on the other hand, play music excerpts and other material in C-QuAM stereo. I am very pleased with this Chrysler AM stereo/FM stereo/cassette radio. Thanks to everyone for not bidding against me. It was manufactured in Japan by Mitsubishi and has the MC13022 variable bandwidth circuit. I am quoting now from the 1984 Dick Smith Electronics (DSE) AM stereo instructions: "In Australia, stations are equipped with different systems, and all four extant systems have been tested on the air. Some stations have installed more than one system (but only use one at any particular time during tests). "Department of Communications officers reported the results of engineering tests to a meeting of the Broadcasting Council in mid-June. The results obtained to that date, apparently, show that: AM stereo transmissions are feasible here. No one system is technically superior to any other. Available multi-system receivers can provide automatic decoding of the Magnavox, Motorola and Harris systems, but a switch has to be used to decode Kahn transmissions. "While the broadcasters, represented by the Federation of Australian Radio Broadcasters (FARB), is in favor of allowing all four systems to prevail and letting the marketplace decide, the receiver industry, under the auspices of the Australian Electrical and Electronics Manufacturers Association (AEEMA), plumps for the selection of a single system. "Note that the New Zealand authorities went for a single system standard for AM stereo and stations there went on the air earlier this year using the Harris system. "As chances had it, the R&D manager at DSE, Gary Crapp, came upon some information from the Harris Corporation Broadcast Division on using the Motorola MC13020P chip to decode Harris system transmissions. Therein lay the makings of a dual-standard AM stereo decoder. "The Harris Corporation tried three systems in all, before settling on one. Their first attempt used a + - 15 degree phase difference between the "I" and "Q" carriers. The reason being that, the closer the quadrature carriers are to no phase difference, the closer the transmitted signal is to AM. This provides compatibility, but reduces stereo coverage. "Their second attempt employed an audio compandor scheme, compressing the amplitude range at the transmitter and expanding it at the receiver. To control the expansion process in the receiver, Harris employed a variable frequency pilot tone in the L-R channel, varying from 55Hz to 96Hz. The frequency was proportional to the required gain control of the receiver expansion circuitry. Thus, the low frequencies of the stereo audio had to be filtered below 200 to 300Hz to allow for the pilot. The receiver decoder system is quite complex for this system and was not favored for that reason. "The latest Harris system employs a 55Hz fixed pilot tone. The transmitter encoding system is similar to Motorola's, but the audio is further processed so that the maximum angle of quadrature modulation is limited to obviate AM incompatibility problems under heavy modulation. "Some 20 stations throughout all states of Australia (except Tasmania, but they're always last), had been authorized for AM stereo operation when we went to press (early September). By far the most popular system was the Harris, followed by Motorola. Kahn and Magnavox systems came well behind." Of course, in their fourth iteration Harris followed Motorola. Now for current news (quoting Radio World): "FCC Commissioner Kathleen Abernathy hopes colleagues will soon approve an initial endorsement of IBOC as the digital radio standard in the U.S. She told attendees at the NAB Radio Show a Report and Order is likely to come out this fall. The timing of the endorsement and a mechanism for allowing early adopters to go on the air may be approved in October or November, with final rules to come in early 2003." In a message dated 9/21/2002 10:08:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, David writes: >Jeff, > >If WCBS ever experimented with any of the AM Stereo systems I don't think >one of them was ever C-QUAM. I never remember getting a pilot on them. > >I'm also sorry to hear that WFAN is now in mono. I remember listening to part >of a basketball game when they were in stereo a couple of years ago and they >sounded awesome! > >Have you ever noticed any stereo separation from WGN? I've never heard any >but I hear alot of stereo separation from WLS which is also in Chicago. > >Dave In GA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From meridian3891@cs.com Sat Sep 21 09:54:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: meridian3891@cs.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 21 Sep 2002 16:54:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 83342 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 16:54:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2002 16:54:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 16:54:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2002 16:54:54 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 16:54:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Harris IBOC Roadshow NYC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D8C8814.8FE18C6C@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 732 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Tony" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.189.99 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=48487815 X-Yahoo-Profile: onemeridian --- In amstereoforum@y..., Neal Newman wrote: > The Demo they used was Direct from a Computer to the mock receiver to show > what IBOC will be like. > Personally I would have liked to have seen an actual IBOC exciter with a > small antenna broadcast across the room to the receiver to show that it > actually works. > Anything can be simulated by computer basically what they were trying to do > is > Damage control. Are you serious, Neal? ROTFLMAO!!! That was a pathetic example of backpedalling if I ever saw it...I never heard anything positive about IBOC yet. And they STILL couldn't polish their pile of mud....... How did you ever manage to keep a straight face (or did you)? Tony From KC4QLP@aol.com Sat Sep 21 10:31:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 21 Sep 2002 17:31:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 18076 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 17:31:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2002 17:31:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d09.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 17:31:13 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.122.177cf9ec (4418) for ; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 13:31:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <122.177cf9ec.2abe06db@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 13:31:07 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Harris IBOC Roadshow NYC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 129 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 9/21/02 10:58:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, groucho@skyweb.net writes: << When any of us asked about adjacent channel noise,and what it would do to the AM Band. we didn't get the answer we wanted But got answers we expected. lets move onto the next question. at one point the girl walking with the wireless mike would not Let Mike Erickson hold the mike while he asked questions. afraid he would not give it back. I grabbed it when I could.LOL.. >> Had I been able to make the 9 hour drive to NYC Friday {couldnt because of a ballgame Friday evening--oh well..the life of an Engineer!--} I might have been carried out of the convention center in shackles...lol I would have grabbed the mike..walked away from anyone trying to grab it from me..and let all of there skeletons out of the closet!...LOL even would have carried my small tape recorder to play for EVERYONE to hear,the before,during and after testing of IBOC on 700 WLW...! LMAO..that would have brought the house down I'm sure! ...hehehehe Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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From n0uiheric@aol.com Sat Sep 21 11:43:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: N0UIHEric@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 21 Sep 2002 18:43:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 7617 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 18:43:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2002 18:43:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m07.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.162) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 18:43:39 -0000 Received: from N0UIHEric@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.61.263e642c (4222) for ; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 14:43:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <61.263e642c.2abe17ce@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 14:43:26 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM is #1 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: n0uiheric@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21420410 X-Yahoo-Profile: n0uih WWL is also owned by Entercom...a good candidate for AM Stereo (especially with overnight Country music). 73 and good DX from Eric Amateur Radio Station N0UIH Registered Monitor KDX0STL, KMO0CN Hazelwood, MO Grid Square EM48 DXing The World since 1981 Turn Off Clear Channel Communications! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turnoffclearchannel PRAY FOR AN END TO COMMERCIAL RADIO DEREGULATION "For the love of money is the root of all evil"-1 Timothy 6:10 From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sat Sep 21 15:34:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 21 Sep 2002 22:34:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 45306 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 22:34:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2002 22:34:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 22:34:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2002 22:34:45 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 22:34:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Harris IBOC Roadshow NYC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <122.177cf9ec.2abe06db@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 654 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@y..., KC4QLP@a... wrote: LOL even would have carried my > small tape recorder to play for EVERYONE to hear,the before,during and after > testing of IBOC on 700 WLW...! LMAO..that would have brought the house down > I'm sure! ...hehehehe One amusing point... During the AM Q&A session, one panelist looked down and asked a gentleman from WNYC if he was recording this (with a nervous look on his face). The panel said they didn't mind. I think it was Russ who wondered how many car accidents would happen with people distracted trying to look info with this thing. I can see states banning the thing (like cell phones). From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sat Sep 21 15:36:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 21 Sep 2002 22:36:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 96790 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 22:36:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2002 22:36:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 22:36:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2002 22:36:25 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 22:36:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Possible good radio to convert? Radio Shack Cat.# 12-832 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005101c260f4$0be46780$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3017 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio This radio has a poor (at best) AM section. Nothing special. I do not think it would be a good convert, but that's just my opinion. --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Scott Todd" wrote: > Whether a radio is good to convert can often be determined by listening to > the local oscillator signal. If it is modulated in any way, then it's not a > good coversion candidate. If it sounds like a dead carrier, then it is. > > ST > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Trim, Matthew L" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 11:06 PM > Subject: RE: {AMSF} Possible good radio to convert? Radio Shack Cat.# 12-832 > > > > G'day Everyone, > > > > Just went and checked this unit out again and my thoughts are: > > > > Solid Construction - nice on/off button instead of it being built into the > > volume knob > > Great AM reception - little interference and strong signal inside shopping > > centre (very unusual) > > AM Bandwidth is a little limited but if I tune it slightly off the station > > the high end is remarkably improved. I wasn't able to fully test this as > > our only real full bandwidth AM station at the moment (612 4QR) wasn't > > playing any music at the time. > > Good FM Stereo reception > > Light - runs on 4 x C batteries which should last a long time - also DC > > power input jack and stereo headphone jack. > > Funny thing is that it is "Made in China" for Radio Shack and retails for > > $45AUD at http://www.tandy.com.au and $32US at http://www.radioshack.com . > > Considering how poor our Aussie dollar is vs USD it should really be > selling > > for about $25US over there (it is made in China after all!) > > > > I'm tempted to buy one and open it up to see if we can modify it for AMS > and > > tweak the bandwidth. One positive? sign is that when I flick the AM/FM > > switch it makes pop noise like it's switching over to a separate AM front > > end vs one of the digital radios that seem to be using all-in-one AM/FM > > decoder chips these days. > > > > Chris, maybe you can shed more info on this radio? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Matt > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Trim, Matthew L > > Sent: Friday, 20 September 2002 11:22 AM > > To: 'amstereoforum@y...' > > Subject: {AMSF} Possible good radio to convert? Radio Shack Cat.# 12-832 > > > > > > > > > http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category% 5Fname=&p > > roduct%5Fid=12%2D832 > > > > Found this radio at Radio shack online and also at our Tandy store in > > Australia > > > > Will try and check out the AM quality today in store. > > > > Has a quality look about it but I guess that doesn't mean the AM reception > > is any good! > > > > The Radio shack catalog number is 12-832 if the link above doesn't work. > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sat Sep 21 16:57:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 21 Sep 2002 23:57:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 45980 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 23:57:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2002 23:57:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 23:57:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2002 23:57:28 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 23:57:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: WKMB To Be Sold Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 224 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio WKMB... the station with the Rontimod audio processor is being sold. http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/cgi- bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/cdbsmenu.hts? context=25&appn=100610408&formid=315&fac_num=32985 Too bad. =Mike Erickson= From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Sep 21 17:18:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 22 Sep 2002 00:18:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 29047 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2002 00:18:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2002 00:18:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2002 00:18:51 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-126.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.126]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g8M0EFQX020186 for ; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 19:14:16 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000f01c261cd$d8c0d020$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Harris IBOC Roadshow NYC Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 19:20:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Are you the same Mike Erickson on the Radiotech forum? ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "wgliradio" > Nice to meet Mr. Newman today! > =Mike Erickson= From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sat Sep 21 17:30:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 22 Sep 2002 00:30:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 69839 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2002 00:30:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2002 00:30:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2002 00:30:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2002 00:30:13 -0000 Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 00:30:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Harris IBOC Roadshow NYC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000f01c261cd$d8c0d020$d3a9fea9@me> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 300 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio Yes I am one and the same. --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Scott Todd" wrote: > Are you the same Mike Erickson on the Radiotech forum? > > ST > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "wgliradio" > > > > > Nice to meet Mr. Newman today! > > > =Mike Erickson= From stodd@sherbtel.net Sat Sep 21 17:41:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 22 Sep 2002 00:41:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 28398 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2002 00:41:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2002 00:41:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2002 00:41:42 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-126.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.126]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g8M0b7QX023672 for ; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 19:37:08 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <005401c261d1$0a644dc0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <61.263e642c.2abe17ce@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM is #1 Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 19:43:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Interesting... didn't know Entercom got their hands on that one. I don't get as much station info like that anymore. Too bad IBOC is so near now, that's probably why they haven't bothered yet. Perhaps they might make it stereo if IBOC proves as bad as our listening has told us. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: > WWL is also owned by Entercom...a good candidate for AM Stereo (especially > with overnight Country music). From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Sep 21 17:44:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 22 Sep 2002 00:44:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 83422 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2002 00:44:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2002 00:44:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2002 00:44:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2002 00:44:11 -0000 Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 00:44:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WKMB To Be Sold Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2381 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.145 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > WKMB... the station with the Rontimod audio processor is being > sold. As a loyal 1070 WKMB listener, I can't make heads or tails of this yet. While the buyer is a religious organization, I read through the contract, and while most of the legalese is incomprehensible to me, there is one paragraph which mentions that the buyers have to make "every reasonable effort" to maintain WKMB's current Country music format for as long as possible. And it would be foolish not to, because WKMB is the *only* country music station covering Northern and Central NJ and parts of NYC. Even as only a 250-watt daytimer, they have always managed to have enough support from local listeners and advertisers to keep them on the air for the past 30 years: WKMB signed on in 1972, and they switched to the "Stirling Country" format circa 1978. Weekday morning DJ Bob Hunt has been on WKMB since 1974. Anyway, the sale -- pending FCC approval -- is for $400,000. I personally think what happened is that the religious organization ("King's Temple Ministries" in Plainfield, NJ) approached WKMB with the thought of brokering certain time slots to broadcast their religious programming, and somehow the idea of just purchasing the whole station came up. $400k is no small pocket change, but you can barely buy an average suburban house for that much in this area.... and when you have attached to it a radio station with a monopolized format that likely has been profitable, then it becomes an enticing business proposition. And in any event, if the new owners decide to install a typical "Optimud" at WKMB, I'll be the first to get my hands on that Rontimod. It is mono, but if I rig up a copy of the circuit and have one handling L+R and the other handling L-R, it would make an excellent homebrew AM Stereo audio processor! I have some hi-fi recordings of WKMB that were made on December 25, 2001 (yes, Country Christmas music!) using a Sony SRF-A100 with a TA8124 AM Stereo decoder added on. Even for mono signals like WKMB, that gives cleaner, richer sound with audio response that is almost flat as a board from 50 to 10,000+ Hz. Combined with the proper de-emphasis, it gives excellent AMAX sound quality. After I finish encoding a few MP3 files of this, I will post the link here so everybody can get a taste of what the "Rontimod" sounds like! From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sat Sep 21 19:40:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 22 Sep 2002 02:40:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 90596 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2002 02:40:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2002 02:40:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2002 02:40:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2002 02:40:42 -0000 Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 02:40:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WKMB To Be Sold Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 391 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio > > And in any event, if the new owners decide to install a typical > "Optimud" at WKMB, I'll be the first to get my hands on that > Rontimod. It is mono, but if I rig up a copy of the circuit and have > one handling L+R and the other handling L-R, it would make an > excellent homebrew AM Stereo audio processor! If you do, I expect to be able to get a prototype! =Mike Erickson= From groucho@skyweb.net Sat Sep 21 23:13:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 22 Sep 2002 06:13:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 72688 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2002 06:13:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2002 06:13:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2002 06:13:18 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8M6DFRa079070 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 02:13:15 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3D8D5EAF.903CB9C2@skyweb.net> Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 02:09:51 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Harris IBOC Roadshow NYC References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 what radiotech fourm?? tell me more Neal wgliradio wrote: > Yes I am one and the same. > > --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Scott Todd" wrote: > > Are you the same Mike Erickson on the Radiotech forum? > > > > ST > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "wgliradio" > > > > > > > > > Nice to meet Mr. Newman today! > > > > > =Mike Erickson= > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From groucho@skyweb.net Sat Sep 21 23:31:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 22 Sep 2002 06:31:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 57727 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2002 06:31:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2002 06:31:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2002 06:30:59 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8M6UtRa081613 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 02:30:56 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3D8D62D2.7FD19CE@skyweb.net> Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 02:27:30 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Harris IBOC Roadshow NYC References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 I am dead serious about that. they even draped a small black Cloth over the Top of the mock radio to Hide the wires going to the Computer... If the IBOC road show hits your area. spend the Day and listen to their B.S. It will be worth it Just for the free breakfast ,and lunch especially the Lunch... they even tried to make us laugh with this joke Harris Corp. serving up a Continental breakfast... Neal Tony wrote: Are you serious, Neal? ROTFLMAO!!! > > That was a pathetic example of backpedalling if I ever saw it...I > never heard anything positive about IBOC yet. And they STILL > couldn't polish their pile of mud....... > > How did you ever manage to keep a straight face (or did you)? > > Tony > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From ccuff@in4web.com Sun Sep 22 00:45:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccuff@in4web.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 22 Sep 2002 07:45:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 82024 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2002 07:45:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2002 07:45:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.in4web.com) (208.20.8.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2002 07:45:03 -0000 Received: from pavilion (unverified [208.20.8.27]) by mail.in4web.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.4.232) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 03:42:43 -0400 Message-ID: <008001c2620b$cc3ff0e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Possible good radio to convert? Radio Shack Cat.# 12-832 Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 03:43:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Christopher Cuff" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37862613 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereoguy2001 I did try one of these, too- it is horrid. Not worth the effort. Now, Target has another Boombox with CD for $18.95! Probably a POS, but what the hay, I'll try it! CC From amstereoguy@hotmail.com Sun Sep 22 01:07:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereoguy@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 22 Sep 2002 08:07:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 2157 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2002 08:07:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2002 08:07:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.165.145) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2002 08:07:43 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 01:07:43 -0700 Received: from 208.20.8.27 by sea2fd.sea2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 08:07:43 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Fwd: RE: Comment from The AM STEREO Web Site Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 04:07:43 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Sep 2002 08:07:43.0512 (UTC) FILETIME=[20DC1180:01C2620F] From: "Chris Cuff" X-Originating-IP: [208.20.8.27] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37866059 Hi all- Here is Ian MacRae's weekly letter for you all to read- Chris >From: "Radio Star" >Reply-To: >To: "Chris Cuff" >Subject: RE: Comment from The AM STEREO Web Site >Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 16:10:41 +1000 > >Hi Chris. > >As promised here's the latest issue of The Radio Wave which contains the AM >Stereo story. If you or anyone would like to respond to anything in the >article I'd be pleased to print it. > >If any of your list members would like the free newsletter sent to them >just >send a blank e-mail to allaboutradio.net. > >Regards, > >Ian >--------------------------------------- > > THE RADIO WAVE > "Keeping Radio People in Touch" > >22nd. September 2002 Issue #9 > Ian MacRae, Editor, radiowave@allaboutradio.net > >------------------------------------------------------------ > >By subscription only! Welcome to the seventh issue of > THE RADIO WAVE >You are receiving this because you requested a subscription. >Unsubscribe instructions are at the end of this newsletter. > >------------------------------------------------------------ >IN THIS ISSUE >------------------------------------------------------------ > => Sponsorship Notice > => Welcome > => Aircheck. > => A.M. Stereo Lives! > => The ABC's of being a Radio Personality > => Hot Tip > => Top Radio Prep Sites > => Coming Up > => A Final Note > => Subscribe/Unsubscribe information > >------------------------------------------------------------ >SPONSORSHIP NOTICE (SHAMELESS PERSONAL PLUG) >------------------------------------------------------------ >"The Beginners' Guide To Becoming A Radio Star"… >is a far reaching e-book for radio beginners or people who >want to make radio their career. All the information you'll >discover here is "the basics" of radio. Stuff that applies >anywhere in the world where professional commercial radio >is established. > >www.allaboutradio.net > >------------------------------------------------------------ >G'DAY. >------------------------------------------------------------ >Welcome to issue 9 of the Radio Wave newsletter. It's >aimed at people who'd like to be in radio, >newbies who've just started and full-time professionals. > >If there's anything you read in it on which you'd like to >comment ...feel free. > >Anything you need help or advice with...ask. If I can't >provide the answer I'll find someone who can. > >If you'd like to contribute an article...you're welcome. > >You can reach me at radiowave@allaboutradio.net > >---------------------------------------------------------- >AIRCHECK >---------------------------------------------------------- >"The telephone company is urging people to please not use >the telephone unless it is absolutely necessary in order >to keep the lines open for emergency personnel. > >We'll be right back after this break to give away a pair >of Phil Collins concert tickets to caller number 95." > >- a Los Angeles radio DJ shortly after the February 1990 >earthquake. >----------------------------------------------------------- >AM STEREO LIVES! >----------------------------------------------------------- >"Oh, really?" I hear you say. > >I can remember the time that AM Stereo was launched in a big >way by the Australian radio industry. This was to be the >answer to the new threat of FM radio in the early 80's. > >In fact the station I was with took the concept one step >further and relaunched with a new music format called >Album Music. ("A.M." geddit?) > >This involved playing album cuts rather than singles some of >which were quite long or even unfamiliar. Considering we had >been a very successful Top 40/Contemporary Hits station >this would seem to fly in the face of any conventional >programming wisdom. > >But, hey, who was I to argue? > >As a humorous aside I should mention the TV commercial that >was planned to launch this new AM Stereo format. > >It took days to set up hundreds of 12" album covers like >standing dominoes in a line weaving around the TV studio floor. > >The idea was to film from overhead the spectacular sight of >each album knocking the next one down weaving right along the line. > >Unfortunately, before the cameras were rolling, an overhead >light came loose, fell on the assembled line up and all >everyone could do was watch them all come tumbling down. > >That should have been seen as a portent of what was to come. > >Of course, the format was a disaster, with most people >listening to unfamiliar album cuts on their AM mono radios. > >Sadly the manufacturers of radio receivers did not support >AM Stereo with only a few of the major ones supplying the >sets. > >Which was a shame because the sound coming through a good >AM Stereo receiver was quite equal to FM stereo. I had one in >my car at the time and it was actually better than FM because >it had a warm roundness to the sound compared to FM's rather >cold hard sound. > >So AM Stereo slowly faded from sight...and sound. > >Many stations around the world are still broadcasting in AM >Stereo, having gone to the expense and trouble of installing >the gear, and there are still some sets out there. > >In fact some of those stations are listed on a web site >devoted to AM Stereo. > >http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kevtronics/ > >This site also gives an excellent background to AM Stereo >including a history from the U.S. perspective. > >In part it says: > >Today, virtually all radios have FM Stereo capability. >However, the untold story is that Multiplex AM Stereo was >actually the first technology to be ready for widespread use. > >Engineers such as Leonard Kahn developed and tested AM Stereo >systems in the late 1950s that worked very well and would have >made a very satisfactory solution for AM Stereo broadcasting >at the time. > >But, things were different back then. AM was still the most >popular band for radio listening. Most people did not even >have an FM radio, and FM stations were struggling to gain >listeners. > >Because of this, the FCC (Federal Communications >Commission) thought of adding Stereo sound to FM -- and FM >only -- as a way to help it gain popularity. > >So, the FCC approved use of FM Stereo, but did not allow AM >Stereo to be used, since it would have given AM even more >of an advantage in listenership over FM. > >Well, as well all know, by a few decades later, things had >definitely changed. By the 1970s, the FM band has become the >preferred place for music listening, and the monaural sound >of AM radio sounded dull and lifeless in comparison. > >AM Stereo Finally Arrives >By the arrival of the 1980s, the FCC had finally decided to >take another look at AM Stereo, because now AM radio would >need it in order to stay competitive with FM. > >There were five different AM Stereo systems being proposed >to the FCC, and the FCC struggled with the decision of which >one to choose as the single standard for AM Stereo broadcasting. > >At first, the FCC decided to select one of the systems, designed >by Magnavox, as the standard. As you can imagine, the proponents >of the four other systems complained, saying that their systems >worked better than Magnavox and that the FCC should do some >more research before trying to decide a single standard again. > > >The Marketplace Wars >The FCC was going to choose another system, designed by Harris, >as the single standard, but by this time the popular opinion >was becoming that they should simply allow all of the systems >to be used, and that the preferences of broadcasters and radio >listeners would eventually "fight it out" and converge toward >one of the systems as the single "de facto" standard. > >So, on March 4, 1982, that is exactly what the FCC did. There >were now four AM Stereo systems to choose from, designed by >Motorola, Magnavox, Kahn/Hazeltine, and Harris. For the first >few years, except for Magnavox, all of the systems were about >equally competitive. Many "multi-system" AM Stereo radios >were sold so that listeners could tune in all of the systems. > >But out of this group, Motorola was the largest company, and >was already a parts supplier for many car radio manufacturers. > >So, by 1986, the majority of AM Stereo radios sold only >supported the Motorola system, named "C-Quam" (Compatible >Quadrature AM). And other countries like Australia, Mexico, >and Canada were choosing the Motorola C-Quam system as their >single standard for AM Stereo. > >But in the USA, Leonard Kahn, creator of the Kahn/Hazeltine >AM Stereo system, was very vocal about the advantages of his >system over Motorola's, and he managed to convince enough >stations to stay with his system. > >This confused listeners, because a radio designed for the >Motorola system would not be able to receive a Kahn signal, >and vice versa. It was becoming clear that a single system >had to be chosen, if AM Stereo was going to survive at all. > > >C-Quam as the Standard >Finally, in 1993, the FCC did choose a single system for AM >Stereo. Looking at its overwhelming popularity over the Kahn >system, they chose the Motorola system as the single standard, >which was also the standard for all other countries in the >world with AM Stereo broadcasting. > > >Today's AM Stereo >However, Motorola didn't just stay put because their system >had "won" and was the standard. They listened to complaints >and worked to reduce or eliminate most of the past problems >with the C-Quam system. By the early 1990s, they introduced >new circuit designs which offered better audio fidelity. > >Unfortunately, since then, people haven't paid much attention >to AM Stereo. In fact, many people think it doesn't even exist >anymore. But it does exist, and it is used by hundreds of >stations all around the world. > >And thousands of AM Stereo radios continue to be manufactured >and sold every year. > >AM Stereo has been with us for just over 20 years. People are >still interested in getting good high fidelity audio quality >from the AM radio band. AM Stereo is an established standard, >it works very well, and it is affordable to both stations and >listeners. >------------------------------------------------------------ >THE ABC's OF BEING A RADIO PERSONALITY >------------------------------------------------------------ >by Jim McVay > >As a radio personality, your main job is to be entertaining!! > >For technical rules, and format, it is best to do what as >you are instructed by your PD. Stop pouting; this is not >going to turn into a lecture! 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X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.145 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > If you do, I expect to be able to get a prototype! You can now hear the Rontimod in action: http://rvcc2.raritanval.edu/ktek9053/wkmb-1.mp3 http://rvcc2.raritanval.edu/ktek9053/wkmb-2.mp3 http://rvcc2.raritanval.edu/ktek9053/wkmb-3.mp3 It does get a bit "punchy" on songs with a strong kick-drum beat, but you have to remember that this is a home-made processor, using parts from Radio Shack. It does give WKMB a very distinctive sound -- even on a cheap narrow-bandwidth radio, you always know you have WKMB tuned in just from their "vintage" sound. I've never heard an actual classic '60s "Volumax" or "Audimax" in action, but I think this might be comparable. From pbigelow@us.ibm.com Sun Sep 22 06:25:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: pbigelow@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 22 Sep 2002 13:25:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 44510 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2002 13:25:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2002 13:25:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2002 13:25:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2002 13:25:12 -0000 Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 13:25:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Sony ICF-SW7600GR Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 223 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pabigelow" X-Originating-IP: 172.136.138.138 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20010091 X-Yahoo-Profile: pabigelow Hello, This Sony radio has synchronous detection and a stereo output to the headphones (for FM). Has anyone investigated the possibility of converting this radio to be an "AM-stereo" version. Best regards, Paul Bigelow From groucho@skyweb.net Sun Sep 22 07:39:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 22 Sep 2002 14:39:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 72050 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2002 14:39:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2002 14:39:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2002 14:39:11 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8MEd8Ra049737 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 10:39:08 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3D8DD542.FE7B109@skyweb.net> Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 10:35:46 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Possible good radio to convert? Radio Shack Cat.# 12-832 References: <008001c2620b$cc3ff0e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 Hi Chris is there a compiled list of radios, model #'s that can easily be converted? the most requests are For Car radios. I have Been looking for Sydney's with no luck. looking of course for radios that go to 1700khz.... Neal Christopher Cuff wrote: > I did try one of these, too- it is horrid. Not worth the effort. Now, Target > has another Boombox with CD for $18.95! Probably a POS, but what the hay, > I'll try it! > CC > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From KC4QLP@aol.com Sun Sep 22 11:33:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 22 Sep 2002 18:33:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 1670 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2002 18:33:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2002 18:33:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2002 18:33:18 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.f6.21c5e616 (3972) for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 14:33:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 14:33:08 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WKMB To Be Sold To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 9/22/02 4:38:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kevtronics@yahoo.com writes: << It does get a bit "punchy" on songs with a strong kick-drum beat, but you have to remember that this is a home-made processor, using parts from Radio Shack. It does give WKMB a very distinctive sound -- even on a cheap narrow-bandwidth radio, you always know you have WKMB tuned in just from their "vintage" sound. I've never heard an actual classic '60s "Volumax" or "Audimax" in action, but I think this might be comparable. >> Well I listened to cut one....and I do like the sound except for some noticable distortion on the low end at times. The sound of WKMB is somewhat like what you would hear with the old CBS Volumax as that is the present type of processing in use today at WRCS-970 AM Ahoskie NC Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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From KC4QLP@aol.com Sun Sep 22 13:36:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 22 Sep 2002 20:36:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 63190 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2002 20:36:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2002 20:36:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m07.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.162) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2002 20:36:27 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.179.f062689 (3972) for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 16:36:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <179.f062689.2abf83c3@aol.com> Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 16:36:19 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Motorola C-QUAM AM Exciter-Transmitter To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 9/20/02 3:45:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ccuff@in4web.com writes: << Title of item: Motorola C-QUAM AM Exciter-Transmitter > Seller: joeknapp > Starts: Sep-15-02 17:13:53 PDT > Ends: Sep-22-02 17:13:53 PDT > Price: Currently US $255.00 > To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1768100353 >> Well H E double hockey sticks! ....looks like the exciter has fallen into the hands of some WW2 trader! .... "wwiitrader" Sometimes I wonder about some of the people that bid on certain items on "E-bombay" ..eer E-bay I mean. Maybe one day WRCS will be in stereo ....maybe! Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! 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From evergreenterrace@buzzle.com Sun Sep 22 13:47:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: evergreenterrace@buzzle.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 22 Sep 2002 20:47:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 34500 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2002 20:47:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2002 20:47:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2002 20:47:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2002 20:47:28 -0000 Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 20:47:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WKMB To Be Sold Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 419 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "wgliradio" X-Originating-IP: 170.20.11.59 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=69711087 X-Yahoo-Profile: wgliradio --- In amstereoforum@y..., "Kevin T." wrote: I've never heard an actual > classic '60s "Volumax" or "Audimax" in action, but I think this might > be comparable. With the right release times set in the Audimax, they sound a bit better INHO. The Rontimod sounds a little choppy, but I have never played with it. It is one of the best sounding homebrew processors I have heard. Any pics of it? From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Sep 22 17:10:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 23 Sep 2002 00:10:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 55755 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2002 00:10:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2002 00:10:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2002 00:10:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2002 00:10:20 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 00:10:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: WKMB To Be Sold Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4021 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Kevin T." X-Originating-IP: 216.192.88.4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257 X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > With the right release times set in the Audimax, they sound a bit > better INHO. The Rontimod sounds a little choppy, but I have never > played with it. The Rontimod seems to respond differently to different radios and IF bandwidths. It seems that some of its flaws (the "popping" effect and some distortion) are only noticeable on very wide bandwidth radios, like the AMAX-modified Sony I used. WKMB probably expects most of their listeners to have radios with a narrower bandwidth (and rightfully so), so the Rontimod sounds great on an "average" AM radio, especially with its large amount of treble pre-emphasis. > It is one of the best sounding homebrew processors I have heard. > Any pics of it? Not that I know of, but Pete Tauriello (famed NYC-area syndicated traffic reporter, who also happens to be an AM Stereo fan!) took a tour of the station and he was nice enough to share it with me. My extra comments are added in [brackets]. =============================================================== > From: Tauriello@aol.com > Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 16:53:28 EDT > Subject: Re: WKMB > To: kevtronics@yahoo.com > > Kevin- Thought you'd like to know... I took a tour of the WKMB > studio on Friday. The secret of their sound is indeed a home brew > audio processor built by Herb Michels son, Ron..who used to be Ron > Leslie when he was on the air. > > It is a very simple grey box with a line of LEDs on the front from > green to red, corresponding to a VU meter. It has one knob on the > front with no markings or calibration. I was surprised to find it > in the bottom of the rack with the top removed and a thick layer of > dust on the actual circuit board. > The power transformer for it came from Radio Shack. They have > nicknamed it the "RONTIMOD." It feeds into an old Gates Statesman > limiter using maybe 3 or 4 dB of limiting. > > Bob Hunt told me he thought there was some other processing at the > transmitter, but not being a tech guy, didn't know what it is. [Probably the 10 kHz NRSC filter - KT] > They use Telco as their STL. Hunt claims the transmitter is a > Harris. John Foggarazzo is their contract CE since the passing of > Herb Michels. The board is a Harris Medalist and music is played > from CDs using 3 consumer grade CD players, 3 single play cart > machine and one old QRK Turntable. > The mic I think is an EV M-58. It looks like a big foam capsule. [WKMB also has an "open" studio, so if the mike is live, you can hear the air conditioner running in the background, the phone ringing, etc. -KT] > Bob seemed to be concerned that I leave before "the crew" came > in..Meaning, I assume, Bill Michels. > > The music format is very simple, basically a 3 step rotation and > there are no fixed stop sets. Commercials are logged to be played > in a quarter hour block and you can play them anywhere in the > assigned block. [The 3-step rotation is: one current Top 40 country hit, followed by a song from the '90s/early '00s, and then followed by a "classic" from the '40s through the '80s. WKMB also does its own independently produced Top 20 Country countdown show on Friday afternoons. -KT] > > Alice Dunn (Michels), the original PD died years ago. [In 1998 -KT] > Her office is still intact with her name on the door. They are in > the same location from day one, thirty years ago. > > Best, > Pete =============================================================== As a footnote, I have also heard that WKMB did consider upgrading to AM Stereo in the 1980s, but they were concerned about the general lack of AM Stereo receivers verus the large amount of new equipment it would require for them. Also, another fellow familiar with the station reported their transmitter as being a vintage Collins, instead of a Harris. He mentioned the model number, which I forgot, but he said it uses a pair of RF output and a pair of audio modulator tubes, all of the same type, so for WKMB's 250 watts of RF, they are also running 250 watts of audio power! From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Sep 22 17:59:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 23 Sep 2002 00:59:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 85661 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2002 00:59:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2002 00:59:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2002 00:59:39 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-202.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.202]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g8N0t1QX013850 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 19:55:02 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002101c2629c$b80a53e0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <179.f062689.2abf83c3@aol.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Motorola C-QUAM AM Exciter-Transmitter Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 20:01:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Not that I have tons of money or anything, but if it's only a few $10s difference between whether you or Neal would jack up your bid or not, I might have offered to send either of you the difference. Maybe us list members could make the difference whether one of ours gets the equipment to make another station stereo. What say ye, gang? How about contributing next time there's an AMS exciter on epay to one of the station engineers here who definitely will make another station stereo? ST ----- Original Message ----- From: > > Well H E double hockey sticks! ....looks like the exciter has fallen into the > hands of some WW2 trader! .... "wwiitrader" > Sometimes I wonder about some of the people that bid on certain items on > "E-bombay" ..eer E-bay I mean. > From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Sep 22 18:05:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 23 Sep 2002 01:05:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 14848 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2002 01:05:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2002 01:05:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2002 01:05:07 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-202.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.202]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g8N10RQX014653 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 20:00:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002f01c2629d$7b8e3520$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WKMB To Be Sold Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 20:06:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Depending upon whether it's a 300G or a 300J, tubes would either be 810s (G) or 4-250s (J). ST ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin T." Also, another fellow familiar with the > station reported their transmitter as being a vintage Collins, > instead of a Harris. He mentioned the model number, which I forgot, > but he said it uses a pair of RF output and a pair of audio modulator > tubes, all of the same type, so for WKMB's 250 watts of RF, they are > also running 250 watts of audio power! From stodd@sherbtel.net Sun Sep 22 18:09:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: stodd@sherbtel.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 23 Sep 2002 01:09:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 44925 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2002 01:09:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2002 01:09:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sts.sherbtel.net) (208.38.65.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2002 01:09:45 -0000 Received: from me (208-38-89-202.rev.sherbtel.net [208.38.89.202]) by sts.sherbtel.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g8N155QX015350 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 20:05:06 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003901c2629e$1fd4f4c0$d3a9fea9@me> To: References: <3D8D5EAF.903CB9C2@skyweb.net> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Harris IBOC Roadshow NYC Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 20:11:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Scott Todd" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71485615 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude If you go to the www.broadcast.net website, you'll notice a list of features on the left side of the screen, and one of them is a link to a whole bunch of different forums, from managerial stuff, to another for morning show prep., and one for us engineering types, the Radiotech forum. Please join us. I've had a LOT of good help from others in the field there. Bob Carter is also a sometimes participant. We need more AMS proponents there, anyway. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Newman" > what radiotech fourm?? tell me more > Neal From bjackson@indyradio.com Sun Sep 22 19:16:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: bjackson@indyradio.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 23 Sep 2002 02:16:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 89801 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2002 02:16:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2002 02:16:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2002 02:16:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2002 02:16:41 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 02:16:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Motorola C-QUAM AM Exciter-Transmitter Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <179.f062689.2abf83c3@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3055 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bradleyj923" X-Originating-IP: 199.250.151.186 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97903887 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradleyj923 Looking at the guys feedback page, it seems he's been into audio lately...20 channel board, a couple of wireless mics. Oh, and a navy lamp! -Brad Jackson -Susquehanna Indianapolis -WGRL/WGLD/WFMS PS - If anyone is in Indiana, or has a chance to dx 1390, WZZB, they are a GREAT sounding AMS station...AC format. As far as I know, the only one we (Susquehanna) own that is still AMS. --- In amstereoforum@y..., KC4QLP@a... wrote: > In a message dated 9/20/02 3:45:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ccuff@i... > writes: > > << Title of item: Motorola C-QUAM AM Exciter-Transmitter > > Seller: joeknapp > > Starts: Sep-15-02 17:13:53 PDT > > Ends: Sep-22-02 17:13:53 PDT > > Price: Currently US $255.00 > > To bid on the item, go to: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1768100353 >> > > Well H E double hockey sticks! ....looks like the exciter has fallen into the > hands of some WW2 trader! .... "wwiitrader" > Sometimes I wonder about some of the people that bid on certain items on > "E-bombay" ..eer E-bay I mean. > > Maybe one day WRCS will be in stereo ....maybe! > > Bob Carter > Operations/Engineering > > WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 > Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio > Network > > Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering > services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. > e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@y... > http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice > Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC > WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC > WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC > > AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- > amstereoradio- subcribe@t... > > amstereo-subcribe@t... > amstereoradio-subscribe@y... > > KC4QLP Amateur Radio > Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va > www.kc4qlp.cjb.net > > voice contact-252-335-0856 > fax 1-209-254-8978 > _______________________________________________________ > > WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter > 5, Subchapter II, > > "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a > download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of > these terms." > Your message (if actually mailed) is in violation of the Federal Telephone > Consumer Protection Act of 1991, and Collateral Code of Federal Regulations > (47 CFR 64.1200). The TCPA allows a private right of action against the > sender of unsolicited advertising. The recipient can sue for $500, or > actualdamages (whichever is greater). > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > > ------------------- > > Osama bin Laden can kiss my royal white American behind! From KC4QLP@aol.com Sun Sep 22 19:25:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 23 Sep 2002 02:25:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 96107 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2002 02:25:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2002 02:25:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r01.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.97) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2002 02:25:39 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.5b.2e72b6b7 (3972) for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 22:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5b.2e72b6b7.2abfd59a@aol.com> Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 22:25:30 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Motorola C-QUAM AM Exciter-Transmitter To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 9/22/02 9:00:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, stodd@sherbtel.net writes: << Not that I have tons of money or anything, but if it's only a few $10s difference between whether you or Neal would jack up your bid or not, I might have offered to send either of you the difference. Maybe us list members could make the difference whether one of ours gets the equipment to make another station stereo. What say ye, gang? How about contributing next time there's an AMS exciter on epay to one of the station engineers here who definitely will make another station stereo? >> Good idea! . I couldnt help but notice that the person that "won" the bid has 6 negatives on his record ....so who knows,it might be back up for auction again! Keep a look out. Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms." Your message (if actually mailed) is in violation of the Federal Telephone Consumer Protection Act of 1991, and Collateral Code of Federal Regulations (47 CFR 64.1200). The TCPA allows a private right of action against the sender of unsolicited advertising. The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- Osama bin Laden can kiss my royal white American behind! From groucho@skyweb.net Sun Sep 22 19:52:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 23 Sep 2002 02:52:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 74656 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2002 02:52:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2002 02:52:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (205.216.244.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2002 02:52:37 -0000 Received: from skyweb.net (groucho.skyweb.net [66.6.132.253]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8N2qYRa084720 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 22:52:35 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <3D8E812B.6D5CECD2@skyweb.net> Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 22:49:15 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Motorola C-QUAM AM Exciter-Transmitter References: <179.f062689.2abf83c3@aol.com> <002101c2629c$b80a53e0$d3a9fea9@me> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) From: Neal Newman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145 X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 I stopped Bidding a while back On that Exciter... I too have seen it on here a few times. I was on a Used equipment website a few months back and the guy had a Harris Stereo exciter the same One I have on WTTM. it was priced at only $250 if I remember Correctly.. I'll have to look and see if its still avail.. Neal Scott Todd wrote: > Not that I have tons of money or anything, but if it's only a few $10s > difference between whether you or Neal would jack up your bid or not, I > might have offered to send either of you the difference. Maybe us list > members could make the difference whether one of ours gets the equipment to > make another station stereo. What say ye, gang? How about contributing > next time there's an AMS exciter on epay to one of the station engineers > here who definitely will make another station stereo? > > ST > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > > > > Well H E double hockey sticks! ....looks like the exciter has fallen into > the > > hands of some WW2 trader! .... "wwiitrader" > > Sometimes I wonder about some of the people that bid on certain items on > > "E-bombay" ..eer E-bay I mean. > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From amfmdx@fastq.com Sun Sep 22 20:03:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: amfmdx@fastq.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 23 Sep 2002 03:03:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 12562 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2002 03:03:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2002 03:03:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout.fastq.com) (204.62.193.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2002 03:03:31 -0000 Received: from kredding430cdt (d117-osel-phx.fastq.com [216.190.249.149]) by mailout.fastq.com (8.11.3/8.11.3.FastQ-MailOut) with SMTP id g8N33Uh33560 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 20:03:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from amfmdx@fastq.com) Message-ID: <01b501c262ad$b27261a0$d8f9bed8@kredding430cdt> To: References: <3D8D5EAF.903CB9C2@skyweb.net> <003901c2629e$1fd4f4c0$d3a9fea9@me> Subject: Re: {AMSF} Harris IBOC Roadshow NYC Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 20:02:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Kevin - Mesa, Arizona" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99987623 X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Radiotech forum. Please join > us. I've had a LOT of good help from others in the field there. Bob Carter > is also a sometimes participant. We need more AMS proponents there, anyway. I am on there, mostly lurking. I have been there and broadcast for a LONG TIME. I post on Broadcast and Radio-Tech on occasion. Kevin From KC4QLP@aol.com Sun Sep 22 20:18:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 23 Sep 2002 03:18:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 49789 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2002 03:18:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2002 03:18:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2002 03:18:06 -0000 Received: from KC4QLP@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.c3.2953cb1d (3972) for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 23:17:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 23:17:13 EDT Subject: Re: {AMSF} Motorola C-QUAM AM Exciter-Transmitter To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: KC4QLP@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1448135 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4qlp In a message dated 9/22/02 10:53:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, groucho@skyweb.net writes: << I stopped Bidding a while back On that Exciter... I too have seen it on here a few times. I was on a Used equipment website a few months back and the guy had a Harris Stereo exciter the same One I have on WTTM. it was priced at only $250 if I remember Correctly.. I'll have to look and see if its still avail.. Neal >> That would be great if it was still availiable. Bet if the wwiitrader dude knew about it..and it was still availiable,he would be kicking himself as he made a final bid of $255! hehehe Bob Carter Operations/Engineering WGAI-NewsRadio 560 AM Stereo .., WCXL 104.1 Beach 104..., WQDK 99.3 Q-Country..., WWOC 94.5 WaterCountry 94.5..., Ray Communications Radio Network Mid-Atlantic Engineering Services--providing radio stations with engineering services in the middle eastern Atlantic area. e-mail:MidAtlanticEngineeringService@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/midatlanticengineeringservice Chief Engineer--WRCS-AM 970 Ahoskie NC WBXB-FM 100.1 Edenton NC WURB-FM 97.7 Windsor NC AM Stereo Radio list moderator----- amstereoradio-subcribe@topica.com amstereo-subcribe@topica.com amstereoradio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com KC4QLP Amateur Radio Skywarn monitor-AKQ-Wakefield Va www.kc4qlp.cjb.net voice contact-252-335-0856 fax 1-209-254-8978 _______________________________________________________ WARNING TO UNSOLICITED SPAMMERS !!! Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, "Any and all nonsolicited E-mail (SPAM) sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of 500 U.S."!! E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms." Your message (if actually mailed) is in violation of the Federal Telephone Consumer Protection Act of 1991, and Collateral Code of Federal Regulations (47 CFR 64.1200). The TCPA allows a private right of action against the sender of unsolicited advertising. The recipient can sue for $500, or actualdamages (whichever is greater). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- Osama bin Laden can kiss my royal white American behind! From rob.j.davies@philips.com Mon Sep 23 09:56:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rob.j.davies@philips.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 23 Sep 2002 16:56:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 48902 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2002 16:56:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2002 16:56:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO gw-nl3.philips.com) (212.153.190.5) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2002 16:56:01 -0000 Received: from smtpscan-nl3.philips.com (smtpscan-nl3.philips.com [130.139.36.23]) by gw-nl3.philips.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5669B3ACC5 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:56:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from smtprelay-nl1.philips.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtpscan-nl3.philips.com (8.9.3/8.8.5-1.2.2m-19990317) with ESMTP id SAA19270 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:55:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from hbg001soh.diamond.philips.com (e1soh01.diamond.philips.com [130.143.165.45]) by smtprelay-nl1.philips.com (8.9.3/8.8.5-1.2.2m-19990317) with ESMTP id SAA16395 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:55:59 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Re: Sony ICF-SW7600GR To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:54:35 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on hbg001soh/H/SERVER/PHILIPS(Release 5.0.9a |January 7, 2002) at 23/09/2002 18:56:57 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: rob.j.davies@philips.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=49921925 X-Yahoo-Profile: rjd34uk > Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 13:25:12 -0000 > From: "pabigelow" > Subject: Sony ICF-SW7600GR > > Hello, > > This Sony radio has synchronous detection and a stereo > output to the headphones (for FM). Has anyone investigated > the possibility of converting this radio to be an "AM-stereo" > version. Not the 7600gr, but I have investigated the earlier 7600g radio. The sync demod is done in the FM/AM IF chip with usb/lsb selection being made by pulling a line low and, as far as I can tell (not having the chip data sheet to hand), there's only one audio output; FM stereo demod is done by passing this output through a separate stereo demod circuit. Thus, there's no isb facility, nor any access to the I and Q channels. It ought to be possible to add in an MC13028 circuit after the AM filter (though I don't know the impact of the extra load on the filter output) but everything's so tightly packed in there, I can't fit even CC's miniboard inside. The only way I can see it being done is to glue the bits onto the 7600g's board and wire everything deadbug-style. One of my planned winter projects if I find the bits. Rob From penry@nortelnetworks.com Mon Sep 23 12:07:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: penry@nortelnetworks.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 23 Sep 2002 19:07:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 60007 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2002 19:07:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2002 19:07:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO zsc3s004.nortelnetworks.com) (47.81.138.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2002 19:07:16 -0000 Received: from zrc2s0jx.nortelnetworks.com (zrc2s0jx.nortelnetworks.com [47.103.122.112]) by zsc3s004.nortelnetworks.com (Switch-2.2.0/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id g8NJ7EK29146 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 12:07:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zrc2c011.us.nortel.com (zrc2c011.us.nortel.com [47.103.120.51]) by zrc2s0jx.nortelnetworks.com (Switch-2.2.0/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id g8NJ7QL18130 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 14:07:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: by zrc2c011.us.nortel.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 14:07:13 -0500 Message-ID: <9596134A623ED511B7790002A560797403FE4CBB@zrc2c010.us.nortel.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Sony ICF-SW7600GR Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 14:07:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) From: "Charles Penry" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=376233 X-Yahoo-Profile: wa5vhu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For the ICF-201 conversion to AM Stereo go to: http://users.hfx.eastlink.ca/~amstereo/sony2010.htm Perhaps the ICF-SW7600FR would be similar. 73, Charles -----Original Message----- From: rob.j.davies@philips.com [mailto:rob.j.davies@philips.com] Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 11:55 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Sony ICF-SW7600GR > Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 13:25:12 -0000 > From: "pabigelow" > Subject: Sony ICF-SW7600GR > > Hello, > > This Sony radio has synchronous detection and a stereo > output to the headphones (for FM). Has anyone investigated > the possibility of converting this radio to be an "AM-stereo" > version. Not the 7600gr, but I have investigated the earlier 7600g radio. The sync demod is done in the FM/AM IF chip with usb/lsb selection being made by pulling a line low and, as far as I can tell (not having the chip data sheet to hand), there's only one audio output; FM stereo demod is done by passing this output through a separate stereo demod circuit. Thus, there's no isb facility, nor any access to the I and Q channels. It ought to be possible to add in an MC13028 circuit after the AM filter (though I don't know the impact of the extra load on the filter output) but everything's so tightly packed in there, I can't fit even CC's miniboard inside. The only way I can see it being done is to glue the bits onto the 7600g's board and wire everything deadbug-style. One of my planned winter projects if I find the bits. Rob Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]